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Although there was an enormous amount of coverage in April of disproportionate COVID cases and deaths among African-Americans, anecdotal evidence suggests that American Indians might be even harder hit. But as usual, Native American problems haven’t gotten much attention so far. Now from the Daily Mail:

New Mexico CUTS OFF city ravaged by COVID-19: Roads into Gallup are shut and governor uses riot act to keep its 22,000 residents inside in the remote community with a third of the state’s cases

By MARLENE LENTHANG FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and ASSOCIATED PRESS

PUBLISHED: 09:59 EDT, 2 May 2020

New Mexico’s Governor has issued a three-day emergency order in the city of Gallup where roads will be sealed off and businesses closed during peak hours in a desperate bid to stop a surging coronavirus outbreak.

On Friday Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham invoked the state’s Riot Control Act to ban all traffic in Gallup for non-residents, ordered all businesses to close from 5pm to 8am, and mandated residents stay home except for essential trips from Friday through Monday.

The city of 22,000, along with the bordering the Navajo Nation, has seen the number of COVID-19 infection rates rise, leaving intensive care facilities in hospitals inundated with patients.

Gallup is a central hub selling basic household supplies, liquor, and water-containing refills for people who live in the remote parts of the Navajo Nation and surrounding McKinley County and for indigenous Zuni Pueblo people.

In McKinley County, which covers Gallup, there are 1,064 cases of the virus and there have been 20 deaths, more than 30 percent of the state’s total cases. In New Mexico overall there are 3,513 positive cases of COVID-19 and 131 deaths reported as of Friday evening.

Health officials say the steep climb of infections in Gallup shows no signs of flattening. The chief medical officer for the Indian Health Service in the Navajo area has said a new surge in infections is underway across the reservation. …

The outbreak has been particularly devastating among Native Americans. The 27,000-square-mile Navajo Nation in McKinley and San Juan Countries have become the epicenter of COVID-19 in the state.

According to state data, Native Americans account for 41.5 percent of people in New Mexico infected with COVID-19 – even though they account for less than 11 percent of the state’s population, according to the Santa Fe New Mexican.

 
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  1. “Gallup is a central hub selling basic household supplies, liquor, and water-containing refills “… WT Heck? Are there no associate editors, are there no proof-readers?

    • Replies: @anon
    @M_Young

    I want to buy water-containing refills, but don't want to have to drive way out to an Indian reservation. Where can I find such things in my home town? I did a search but it came up empty.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

    , @J.Ross
    @M_Young

    What are water-containing refills called on their first fill?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @The Alarmist
    @M_Young

    Wow, you skipped right over the fact that access to Firewater has been cut off. These were some bad hombres before we tamed them with Firewater. What's the guv's plan, issue opioids?

  2. “Remote”? Gallup is right on the interstate.

    Maybe that has more to do with the infection rate.

    Also, Navahos have a big diabetes problem.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Carol

    Smallpox, whiskey, now the Covidae. Truly, the natives have been tested. Welcome to a world without borders. As a fellow Montanan, where the virus has just begun to penetrate, I am thankful. Though perhaps we shall be inundated with refugees from the critical areas later this summer. And of course the great budget reckoning come January. Take good care Carol. Be honest, brave, and safe.

  3. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Roadblocks don’t work! How can we ultimately stop them from trying to have a better life? It’s too expensive to administrate all of them, and those that survive will contribute far more to our economy than they will take out. It’s not about what they do. It’s about their intent! And practically all of them mean well!!

    OPEN BORDERS FOR WUHAN VIRUS CARRIERS TODAY!!! OPEN BORDERS FOR WUHAN VIRUS CARRIERS TOMORROW! OPEN BORDERS FOR WUHAN VIRUS CARRIERS FOREVER!!!

  4. @M_Young
    "Gallup is a central hub selling basic household supplies, liquor, and water-containing refills "... WT Heck? Are there no associate editors, are there no proof-readers?

    Replies: @anon, @J.Ross, @The Alarmist

    I want to buy water-containing refills, but don’t want to have to drive way out to an Indian reservation. Where can I find such things in my home town? I did a search but it came up empty.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @anon

    Refills of what??

  5. anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile…..Asia, the gift that keeps on giving

    [MORE]


    ‘Murder Hornets’ in the U.S.: The Rush to Stop the Asian Giant Hornet

    Sightings of the Asian giant hornet have prompted fears that the vicious insect could establish itself in the United States and devastate bee populations.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” Chris Looney, a Washington State entomologist, said of the two-inch Asian giant hornet. He displayed a dead hornet on his jacket.

    By Mike Baker, the New York Times

    May 2, 2020

    BLAINE, Wash. — In his decades of beekeeping, Ted McFall had never seen anything like it.

    As he pulled his truck up to check on a group of hives near Custer, Wash., in November, he could spot from the window a mess of bee carcasses on the ground. As he looked closer, he saw a pile of dead members of the colony in front of a hive and more carnage inside — thousands and thousands of bees with their heads torn from their bodies and no sign of a culprit.

    “I couldn’t wrap my head around what could have done that,” Mr. McFall said.

    Only later did he come to suspect that the killer was what some researchers simply call the “murder hornet.”

    With queens that can grow to two inches long, Asian giant hornets can use mandibles shaped like spiked shark fins to wipe out a honeybee hive in a matter of hours, decapitating the bees and flying away with the thoraxes to feed their young. For larger targets, the hornet’s potent venom and stinger — long enough to puncture a beekeeping suit — make for an excruciating combination that victims have likened to hot metal driving into their skin.

    In Japan, the hornets kill up to 50 people a year. Now, for the first time, they have arrived in the United States…

    Scientists have since embarked on a full-scale hunt for the hornets, worried that the invaders could decimate bee populations in the United States and establish such a deep presence that all hope for eradication could be lost.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” said Chris Looney, an entomologist at the Washington State Department of Agriculture. “If we can’t do it in the next couple of years, it probably can’t be done.”

    On a cold morning in early December, two and a half miles to the north of Mr. McFall’s property, Jeff Kornelis stepped on his front porch with his terrier-mix dog. He looked down to a jarring sight: “It was the biggest hornet I’d ever seen.”

    The insect was dead, and after inspecting it, Mr. Kornelis had a hunch that it might be an Asian giant hornet. It did not make much sense, given his location in the world, but he had seen an episode of the YouTube personality Coyote Peterson getting a brutal sting from one of the hornets.

    Beyond its size, the hornet has a distinctive look, with a cartoonishly fierce face featuring teardrop eyes like Spider-Man, orange and black stripes that extend down its body like a tiger, and broad, wispy wings like a small dragonfly.

    Mr. Kornelis contacted the state, which came out to confirm that it was indeed an Asian giant hornet. Soon after, they learned that a local beekeeper in the area had also found one of the hornets.

    Dr. Looney said it was immediately clear that the state faced a serious problem, but with only two insects in hand and winter coming on, it was nearly impossible to determine how much the hornet had already made itself at home.

    Over the winter, state agriculture biologists and local beekeepers got to work, preparing for the coming season. Ruthie Danielsen, a beekeeper who has helped organize her peers to combat the hornet, unfurled a map across the hood of her vehicle, noting the places across Whatcom County where beekeepers have placed traps.

    “Most people are scared to get stung by them,” Ms. Danielsen said. “We’re scared that they are going to totally destroy our hives.”

    Adding to the uncertainty — and mystery — were some other discoveries of the Asian giant hornet across the border in Canada.

    In November, a single hornet was seen in White Rock, British Columbia, perhaps 10 miles away from the discoveries in Washington State — likely too far for the hornets to be part of the same colony. Even earlier, there had been a hive discovered on Vancouver Island, across a strait that probably was too wide for a hornet to have crossed from the mainland.

    Crews were able to track down the hive on Vancouver Island. Conrad Bérubé, a beekeeper and entomologist in the town of Nanaimo, was assigned to exterminate it.

    He set out at night, when the hornets would be in their nest. He put on shorts and thick sweatpants, then his bee suit. He donned Kevlar braces on his ankles and wrists.

    But as he approached the hive, he said, the rustling of the brush and the shine of his flashlight awakened the colony. Before he had a chance to douse the nest with carbon dioxide, he felt the first searing stabs in his leg — through the bee suit and underlying sweatpants.

    “It was like having red-hot thumbtacks being driven into my flesh,” he said. He ended up getting stung at least seven times, some of the stings drawing blood.

    Jun-ichi Takahashi, a researcher at Kyoto Sangyo University in Japan, said the species had earned the “murder hornet” nickname there because its aggressive group attacks can expose victims to doses of toxic venom equivalent to that of a venomous snake; a series of stings can be fatal.

    The night he got stung, Mr. Bérubé still managed to eliminate the nest and collect samples, but the next day, his legs were aching, as if he had the flu. Of the thousands of times he has been stung in his lifetime of work, he said, the Asian giant hornet stings were the most painful.

    After collecting the hornet in the Blaine area, state officials took off part of a leg and shipped it to an expert in Japan. A sample from the Nanaimo nest was sent as well.

    A genetic examination, concluded over the past few weeks, determined that the nest in Nanaimo and the hornet near Blaine were not connected, said Telissa Wilson, a state pest biologist, meaning there had probably been at least two different introductions in the region.

    • Thanks: AnotherDad, Meretricious
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anonymous

    The sting of Globalism.

    Save the Bees!

    , @AnotherDad
    @anonymous

    Thanks 227.

    But what i don't understand is how can these "scientists" be trying to kill these "murder hornets".

    Don't they know that our diversity is our strength?

    , @Joe Stalin
    @anonymous

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR6RZ4ITqyw

    , @Anonymous
    @anonymous

    Just learn to be like this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HyHZsa79LU

    He survived.

    , @Pericles
    @anonymous

    You should breed giant black widows which can spin webs strong enough to hold those suckers. That will take care of them, well and good. Better get started immediately.

  6. “water-containing refills”

    The area is a desert. Possibly Navahos live in houses without reliable water. I’m guessing they are bringing empty jugs into town to fill up with water. Normal people would call this “filling up empty jugs with water”.
    In illiterate awkward millenial-speak this becomes “water-containing refills”.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @anon

    How about "Refillable Water Containers"? Perhaps English isn't the author's first language.

    Replies: @anon

  7. He did value education. Sounds like things are looking up in Angola.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Polynikes

    Now this is most odd. Polynikes' comment was almost certainly intended for the /next/ post ("Popular Angolan Polygamist...") and indeed appears under it as well. And /that/ thread contains at least one comment, by "Jedi Knight", that clearly was intended for /this/ one (on American Indians).

    Some kind of cross-threads glitch afoot?

  8. A few months back NPR had a story about an under-staffed remote rez town plagued by alcoholism, depression, and suicide attempts; the strong implication was that, unfortunately, isolation is as bad for red Indians as drink. I am reminded of Dennis Prager’s consistent warning that the isolation would prove more harmful because of immune system weakening, depression, and addictions.
    https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/snapjudgment/episodes/watching-over-mountain-village-snap-judgment

  9. @M_Young
    "Gallup is a central hub selling basic household supplies, liquor, and water-containing refills "... WT Heck? Are there no associate editors, are there no proof-readers?

    Replies: @anon, @J.Ross, @The Alarmist

    What are water-containing refills called on their first fill?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @J.Ross

    J.Ross, Empty. You're welcome.

  10. Native Americans may or may not have behaviors that work in 2020 USA but these same behaviors worked for them in 1720 until Europeans showed up with Iron Age civilization. I’m not so sure I am inclined to criticize native Americans for failure to adapt.

    Regarding the previous thread and all others that criticize doctors and hospitals for not doing enough or for being places where people go to catch diseases and die, probably true but consider this: (pith alert) make sure your own hands are clean first. Overweight people who smoke, drink excessively and do not exercise (and don’t wash their hands) are at once more likely to need hospitalization, more likely to respond less well to treatment, and more likely to blame the system rather than themselves.

    I consider my health and well being to be primarily my responsibility, and call on health care only when I fail.

  11. @anon
    @M_Young

    I want to buy water-containing refills, but don't want to have to drive way out to an Indian reservation. Where can I find such things in my home town? I did a search but it came up empty.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

    Refills of what??

  12. @J.Ross
    @M_Young

    What are water-containing refills called on their first fill?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    J.Ross, Empty. You’re welcome.

  13. I drove through Gallup with a Seneca friend of mine on our way to Scotsdale, large reservation and an Indian school. American Indians have lots of health problems both physical and mental. They also don’t have a megaphone or advocates in the MSM.

  14. @anonymous
    Meanwhile.....Asia, the gift that keeps on giving

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/05/01/us/00ASIAN-HORNETS-deadhornet/merlin_171970938_95ae4252-c96f-4d0e-8118-6d813f3f20e0-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp


    ‘Murder Hornets’ in the U.S.: The Rush to Stop the Asian Giant Hornet

    Sightings of the Asian giant hornet have prompted fears that the vicious insect could establish itself in the United States and devastate bee populations.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” Chris Looney, a Washington State entomologist, said of the two-inch Asian giant hornet. He displayed a dead hornet on his jacket.


    By Mike Baker, the New York Times

    May 2, 2020

    BLAINE, Wash. — In his decades of beekeeping, Ted McFall had never seen anything like it.

    As he pulled his truck up to check on a group of hives near Custer, Wash., in November, he could spot from the window a mess of bee carcasses on the ground. As he looked closer, he saw a pile of dead members of the colony in front of a hive and more carnage inside — thousands and thousands of bees with their heads torn from their bodies and no sign of a culprit.

    “I couldn’t wrap my head around what could have done that,” Mr. McFall said.

    Only later did he come to suspect that the killer was what some researchers simply call the “murder hornet.”

    With queens that can grow to two inches long, Asian giant hornets can use mandibles shaped like spiked shark fins to wipe out a honeybee hive in a matter of hours, decapitating the bees and flying away with the thoraxes to feed their young. For larger targets, the hornet’s potent venom and stinger — long enough to puncture a beekeeping suit — make for an excruciating combination that victims have likened to hot metal driving into their skin.

    In Japan, the hornets kill up to 50 people a year. Now, for the first time, they have arrived in the United States...

    Scientists have since embarked on a full-scale hunt for the hornets, worried that the invaders could decimate bee populations in the United States and establish such a deep presence that all hope for eradication could be lost.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” said Chris Looney, an entomologist at the Washington State Department of Agriculture. “If we can’t do it in the next couple of years, it probably can’t be done.”

    On a cold morning in early December, two and a half miles to the north of Mr. McFall’s property, Jeff Kornelis stepped on his front porch with his terrier-mix dog. He looked down to a jarring sight: “It was the biggest hornet I’d ever seen.”

    The insect was dead, and after inspecting it, Mr. Kornelis had a hunch that it might be an Asian giant hornet. It did not make much sense, given his location in the world, but he had seen an episode of the YouTube personality Coyote Peterson getting a brutal sting from one of the hornets.

    Beyond its size, the hornet has a distinctive look, with a cartoonishly fierce face featuring teardrop eyes like Spider-Man, orange and black stripes that extend down its body like a tiger, and broad, wispy wings like a small dragonfly.

    Mr. Kornelis contacted the state, which came out to confirm that it was indeed an Asian giant hornet. Soon after, they learned that a local beekeeper in the area had also found one of the hornets.

    Dr. Looney said it was immediately clear that the state faced a serious problem, but with only two insects in hand and winter coming on, it was nearly impossible to determine how much the hornet had already made itself at home.

    Over the winter, state agriculture biologists and local beekeepers got to work, preparing for the coming season. Ruthie Danielsen, a beekeeper who has helped organize her peers to combat the hornet, unfurled a map across the hood of her vehicle, noting the places across Whatcom County where beekeepers have placed traps.

    “Most people are scared to get stung by them,” Ms. Danielsen said. “We’re scared that they are going to totally destroy our hives.”

    Adding to the uncertainty — and mystery — were some other discoveries of the Asian giant hornet across the border in Canada.

    In November, a single hornet was seen in White Rock, British Columbia, perhaps 10 miles away from the discoveries in Washington State — likely too far for the hornets to be part of the same colony. Even earlier, there had been a hive discovered on Vancouver Island, across a strait that probably was too wide for a hornet to have crossed from the mainland.

    Crews were able to track down the hive on Vancouver Island. Conrad Bérubé, a beekeeper and entomologist in the town of Nanaimo, was assigned to exterminate it.

    He set out at night, when the hornets would be in their nest. He put on shorts and thick sweatpants, then his bee suit. He donned Kevlar braces on his ankles and wrists.

    But as he approached the hive, he said, the rustling of the brush and the shine of his flashlight awakened the colony. Before he had a chance to douse the nest with carbon dioxide, he felt the first searing stabs in his leg — through the bee suit and underlying sweatpants.

    “It was like having red-hot thumbtacks being driven into my flesh,” he said. He ended up getting stung at least seven times, some of the stings drawing blood.

    Jun-ichi Takahashi, a researcher at Kyoto Sangyo University in Japan, said the species had earned the “murder hornet” nickname there because its aggressive group attacks can expose victims to doses of toxic venom equivalent to that of a venomous snake; a series of stings can be fatal.

    The night he got stung, Mr. Bérubé still managed to eliminate the nest and collect samples, but the next day, his legs were aching, as if he had the flu. Of the thousands of times he has been stung in his lifetime of work, he said, the Asian giant hornet stings were the most painful.

    After collecting the hornet in the Blaine area, state officials took off part of a leg and shipped it to an expert in Japan. A sample from the Nanaimo nest was sent as well.

    A genetic examination, concluded over the past few weeks, determined that the nest in Nanaimo and the hornet near Blaine were not connected, said Telissa Wilson, a state pest biologist, meaning there had probably been at least two different introductions in the region.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Joe Stalin, @Anonymous, @Pericles

    The sting of Globalism.

    Save the Bees!

  15. @anonymous
    Meanwhile.....Asia, the gift that keeps on giving

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/05/01/us/00ASIAN-HORNETS-deadhornet/merlin_171970938_95ae4252-c96f-4d0e-8118-6d813f3f20e0-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp


    ‘Murder Hornets’ in the U.S.: The Rush to Stop the Asian Giant Hornet

    Sightings of the Asian giant hornet have prompted fears that the vicious insect could establish itself in the United States and devastate bee populations.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” Chris Looney, a Washington State entomologist, said of the two-inch Asian giant hornet. He displayed a dead hornet on his jacket.


    By Mike Baker, the New York Times

    May 2, 2020

    BLAINE, Wash. — In his decades of beekeeping, Ted McFall had never seen anything like it.

    As he pulled his truck up to check on a group of hives near Custer, Wash., in November, he could spot from the window a mess of bee carcasses on the ground. As he looked closer, he saw a pile of dead members of the colony in front of a hive and more carnage inside — thousands and thousands of bees with their heads torn from their bodies and no sign of a culprit.

    “I couldn’t wrap my head around what could have done that,” Mr. McFall said.

    Only later did he come to suspect that the killer was what some researchers simply call the “murder hornet.”

    With queens that can grow to two inches long, Asian giant hornets can use mandibles shaped like spiked shark fins to wipe out a honeybee hive in a matter of hours, decapitating the bees and flying away with the thoraxes to feed their young. For larger targets, the hornet’s potent venom and stinger — long enough to puncture a beekeeping suit — make for an excruciating combination that victims have likened to hot metal driving into their skin.

    In Japan, the hornets kill up to 50 people a year. Now, for the first time, they have arrived in the United States...

    Scientists have since embarked on a full-scale hunt for the hornets, worried that the invaders could decimate bee populations in the United States and establish such a deep presence that all hope for eradication could be lost.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” said Chris Looney, an entomologist at the Washington State Department of Agriculture. “If we can’t do it in the next couple of years, it probably can’t be done.”

    On a cold morning in early December, two and a half miles to the north of Mr. McFall’s property, Jeff Kornelis stepped on his front porch with his terrier-mix dog. He looked down to a jarring sight: “It was the biggest hornet I’d ever seen.”

    The insect was dead, and after inspecting it, Mr. Kornelis had a hunch that it might be an Asian giant hornet. It did not make much sense, given his location in the world, but he had seen an episode of the YouTube personality Coyote Peterson getting a brutal sting from one of the hornets.

    Beyond its size, the hornet has a distinctive look, with a cartoonishly fierce face featuring teardrop eyes like Spider-Man, orange and black stripes that extend down its body like a tiger, and broad, wispy wings like a small dragonfly.

    Mr. Kornelis contacted the state, which came out to confirm that it was indeed an Asian giant hornet. Soon after, they learned that a local beekeeper in the area had also found one of the hornets.

    Dr. Looney said it was immediately clear that the state faced a serious problem, but with only two insects in hand and winter coming on, it was nearly impossible to determine how much the hornet had already made itself at home.

    Over the winter, state agriculture biologists and local beekeepers got to work, preparing for the coming season. Ruthie Danielsen, a beekeeper who has helped organize her peers to combat the hornet, unfurled a map across the hood of her vehicle, noting the places across Whatcom County where beekeepers have placed traps.

    “Most people are scared to get stung by them,” Ms. Danielsen said. “We’re scared that they are going to totally destroy our hives.”

    Adding to the uncertainty — and mystery — were some other discoveries of the Asian giant hornet across the border in Canada.

    In November, a single hornet was seen in White Rock, British Columbia, perhaps 10 miles away from the discoveries in Washington State — likely too far for the hornets to be part of the same colony. Even earlier, there had been a hive discovered on Vancouver Island, across a strait that probably was too wide for a hornet to have crossed from the mainland.

    Crews were able to track down the hive on Vancouver Island. Conrad Bérubé, a beekeeper and entomologist in the town of Nanaimo, was assigned to exterminate it.

    He set out at night, when the hornets would be in their nest. He put on shorts and thick sweatpants, then his bee suit. He donned Kevlar braces on his ankles and wrists.

    But as he approached the hive, he said, the rustling of the brush and the shine of his flashlight awakened the colony. Before he had a chance to douse the nest with carbon dioxide, he felt the first searing stabs in his leg — through the bee suit and underlying sweatpants.

    “It was like having red-hot thumbtacks being driven into my flesh,” he said. He ended up getting stung at least seven times, some of the stings drawing blood.

    Jun-ichi Takahashi, a researcher at Kyoto Sangyo University in Japan, said the species had earned the “murder hornet” nickname there because its aggressive group attacks can expose victims to doses of toxic venom equivalent to that of a venomous snake; a series of stings can be fatal.

    The night he got stung, Mr. Bérubé still managed to eliminate the nest and collect samples, but the next day, his legs were aching, as if he had the flu. Of the thousands of times he has been stung in his lifetime of work, he said, the Asian giant hornet stings were the most painful.

    After collecting the hornet in the Blaine area, state officials took off part of a leg and shipped it to an expert in Japan. A sample from the Nanaimo nest was sent as well.

    A genetic examination, concluded over the past few weeks, determined that the nest in Nanaimo and the hornet near Blaine were not connected, said Telissa Wilson, a state pest biologist, meaning there had probably been at least two different introductions in the region.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Joe Stalin, @Anonymous, @Pericles

    Thanks 227.

    But what i don’t understand is how can these “scientists” be trying to kill these “murder hornets”.

    Don’t they know that our diversity is our strength?

    • Agree: ben tillman
  16. @anonymous
    Meanwhile.....Asia, the gift that keeps on giving

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/05/01/us/00ASIAN-HORNETS-deadhornet/merlin_171970938_95ae4252-c96f-4d0e-8118-6d813f3f20e0-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp


    ‘Murder Hornets’ in the U.S.: The Rush to Stop the Asian Giant Hornet

    Sightings of the Asian giant hornet have prompted fears that the vicious insect could establish itself in the United States and devastate bee populations.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” Chris Looney, a Washington State entomologist, said of the two-inch Asian giant hornet. He displayed a dead hornet on his jacket.


    By Mike Baker, the New York Times

    May 2, 2020

    BLAINE, Wash. — In his decades of beekeeping, Ted McFall had never seen anything like it.

    As he pulled his truck up to check on a group of hives near Custer, Wash., in November, he could spot from the window a mess of bee carcasses on the ground. As he looked closer, he saw a pile of dead members of the colony in front of a hive and more carnage inside — thousands and thousands of bees with their heads torn from their bodies and no sign of a culprit.

    “I couldn’t wrap my head around what could have done that,” Mr. McFall said.

    Only later did he come to suspect that the killer was what some researchers simply call the “murder hornet.”

    With queens that can grow to two inches long, Asian giant hornets can use mandibles shaped like spiked shark fins to wipe out a honeybee hive in a matter of hours, decapitating the bees and flying away with the thoraxes to feed their young. For larger targets, the hornet’s potent venom and stinger — long enough to puncture a beekeeping suit — make for an excruciating combination that victims have likened to hot metal driving into their skin.

    In Japan, the hornets kill up to 50 people a year. Now, for the first time, they have arrived in the United States...

    Scientists have since embarked on a full-scale hunt for the hornets, worried that the invaders could decimate bee populations in the United States and establish such a deep presence that all hope for eradication could be lost.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” said Chris Looney, an entomologist at the Washington State Department of Agriculture. “If we can’t do it in the next couple of years, it probably can’t be done.”

    On a cold morning in early December, two and a half miles to the north of Mr. McFall’s property, Jeff Kornelis stepped on his front porch with his terrier-mix dog. He looked down to a jarring sight: “It was the biggest hornet I’d ever seen.”

    The insect was dead, and after inspecting it, Mr. Kornelis had a hunch that it might be an Asian giant hornet. It did not make much sense, given his location in the world, but he had seen an episode of the YouTube personality Coyote Peterson getting a brutal sting from one of the hornets.

    Beyond its size, the hornet has a distinctive look, with a cartoonishly fierce face featuring teardrop eyes like Spider-Man, orange and black stripes that extend down its body like a tiger, and broad, wispy wings like a small dragonfly.

    Mr. Kornelis contacted the state, which came out to confirm that it was indeed an Asian giant hornet. Soon after, they learned that a local beekeeper in the area had also found one of the hornets.

    Dr. Looney said it was immediately clear that the state faced a serious problem, but with only two insects in hand and winter coming on, it was nearly impossible to determine how much the hornet had already made itself at home.

    Over the winter, state agriculture biologists and local beekeepers got to work, preparing for the coming season. Ruthie Danielsen, a beekeeper who has helped organize her peers to combat the hornet, unfurled a map across the hood of her vehicle, noting the places across Whatcom County where beekeepers have placed traps.

    “Most people are scared to get stung by them,” Ms. Danielsen said. “We’re scared that they are going to totally destroy our hives.”

    Adding to the uncertainty — and mystery — were some other discoveries of the Asian giant hornet across the border in Canada.

    In November, a single hornet was seen in White Rock, British Columbia, perhaps 10 miles away from the discoveries in Washington State — likely too far for the hornets to be part of the same colony. Even earlier, there had been a hive discovered on Vancouver Island, across a strait that probably was too wide for a hornet to have crossed from the mainland.

    Crews were able to track down the hive on Vancouver Island. Conrad Bérubé, a beekeeper and entomologist in the town of Nanaimo, was assigned to exterminate it.

    He set out at night, when the hornets would be in their nest. He put on shorts and thick sweatpants, then his bee suit. He donned Kevlar braces on his ankles and wrists.

    But as he approached the hive, he said, the rustling of the brush and the shine of his flashlight awakened the colony. Before he had a chance to douse the nest with carbon dioxide, he felt the first searing stabs in his leg — through the bee suit and underlying sweatpants.

    “It was like having red-hot thumbtacks being driven into my flesh,” he said. He ended up getting stung at least seven times, some of the stings drawing blood.

    Jun-ichi Takahashi, a researcher at Kyoto Sangyo University in Japan, said the species had earned the “murder hornet” nickname there because its aggressive group attacks can expose victims to doses of toxic venom equivalent to that of a venomous snake; a series of stings can be fatal.

    The night he got stung, Mr. Bérubé still managed to eliminate the nest and collect samples, but the next day, his legs were aching, as if he had the flu. Of the thousands of times he has been stung in his lifetime of work, he said, the Asian giant hornet stings were the most painful.

    After collecting the hornet in the Blaine area, state officials took off part of a leg and shipped it to an expert in Japan. A sample from the Nanaimo nest was sent as well.

    A genetic examination, concluded over the past few weeks, determined that the nest in Nanaimo and the hornet near Blaine were not connected, said Telissa Wilson, a state pest biologist, meaning there had probably been at least two different introductions in the region.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Joe Stalin, @Anonymous, @Pericles

  17. American Indians might be even harder hit.

    A non-shock to anyone who’s been through the Navaho res. (Or a lot of other reservations.)

    The situation with American Indians is pretty sad. These folks are designed to be out hunting and gathering and while they’d be poor, socially their situation would be much better. It’s reminder of what happens when you disrupt a culture–it’s livelihood, traditions, culture.

    A similar sort of problem is happening to white people from prosperity, modernity and feminism disrupting our healthy functioning.

    The successful nations, cultures, races will be ones that are able to find a cultural route to form healthy, fertile families and power through.

  18. Snap cards get filled on the first and it is the weekend. If the first was on Wed I doubt the Town would be closed. When I lived there I avoided the groceries south of 40 whenever either of those 2 happened. The townies native and Anglo probably want to be protected from whatever is out in the communities

    • Replies: @Grace Jones
    @Okie2020

    Food Stamp Deposit Schedule in New Mexico
    Monthly benefit deposit schedule.
    SSN ends in Benefits available
    11, 31, 51, 71, 91 1st of the month
    01, 21, 41, 61, 81 2nd of the month
    12, 32, 52, 72, 92 3rd of the month
    02, 22, 42, 62, 82 4th of the month
    [16 more rows]

    Took me less than 60 seconds to get this.

    Replies: @Okie2020

  19. Good luck quarantining this thicket of enclaves and exclaves:

    (One man’s exclave is another man’s enclave.)

    They can’t even agree on the time most of the time:

  20. I’m sympathetic to the Navajo, but I don’t think many Americans actually understand their backstory. Cliff note version, there may be some minor inaccuracies and I’m pro-navajo to explicitly state bias.
    Hopi were ancient people living in the four corners area. They are impressive. They had/have developed cosmology and mined coal on an industrial scale roughly equal to the France of their day (ie not English levels, but still we’re talking major output in the pre-Columbian era).
    Along come through Navajo, who are very recent entrants to the New World and, although considerably less sophisticated, much more savage. Within 150 years the Dine (general group for which Navajo is a part) were overlords from Alaska to central Mexico.
    They kicked the more sophisticated and more passive Hopi to hill top marginal refuge. From there, they basically had a stalemate.
    The Navajo and the Hopi fought over land ownership and, in due time, their problem became the US’ problem when we accepted NM and AZ into the nation in 1914.
    Local judges were basically overwhelmed on how to adjudicate this hundreds of year old feud and, eventually, gave up trying . In 1966 the US Gov’t formally made a truce of sorts, saying that in a patch of 1.5 million acres no side could build without the other’s permission. It was meant to be temporary, until each side could agree on boundaries, but in 2020 it stands.
    The Navajo nation has continued to expand and settlers/claim jumpers/Sooners settled in The Gap. (It’s perhaps analogous to settlers in the West Bank). These settlements, in point of fact, do not have running water. But it’s not through deprivation or isolation, it’s by fiat and the Navajo Nation signed off on it and agreed to it annually. It’s effectively a form of law-fare against the Hopi.
    There are old-timers out there that are truly herding sheep and living as they had done in the long-ago past but most in The Gap intentionally and knowingly move there because it’s cheap.
    The whole, “they have covid because there’s no running water!” Is self imposed

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    OO-ee, Nah, they have covid 'cause they're Indian. They're less resistant to the weird shit from the Orient. Even though the story says they walked over from the Orient. Maybe that's why they left in the first place. I've never heard of Navajo harvesting bats from Carlsbad Caverns.

    Replies: @Dave from Oz

  21. Although there was an enormous amount of coverage in April of disproportionate COVID cases and deaths among African-Americans, anecdotal evidence suggests that American Indians might be even harder hit.

    It’s both amazing and annoying just how much continual minoritarian noise we have to listen to about American blacks, who have hugely benefited by their ancestors being dragged here as slaves. Blacks generally are the population group which has had the largest *unmerited* population expansion in human history due to Europeans discovering America and bringing blacks to the New World as slaves.

    In contrast, the Indians were actual big losers. And while they developed ag later and were well behind Eastern Hemisphere civilizations, they had functioning cultures and territory for their destiny to play out on … and it was ripped away by European conquest. Their populations–even summing up genetic fractions–perhpas haven’t even recovered yet. (For American Indians–clearly not.) Yet, no one gives them the time of day.

    Maybe it’s because they are … *natives* and don’t quite fit the narrative.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @AnotherDad


    Yet, no one gives them the time of day.
     
    https://www.casino.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/FoxwoodsGalleryPhoto.jpg
    , @Miss Laura
    @AnotherDad

    Nice turn of phrase, "minoritarian noise."

  22. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    Meanwhile.....Asia, the gift that keeps on giving

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/05/01/us/00ASIAN-HORNETS-deadhornet/merlin_171970938_95ae4252-c96f-4d0e-8118-6d813f3f20e0-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp


    ‘Murder Hornets’ in the U.S.: The Rush to Stop the Asian Giant Hornet

    Sightings of the Asian giant hornet have prompted fears that the vicious insect could establish itself in the United States and devastate bee populations.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” Chris Looney, a Washington State entomologist, said of the two-inch Asian giant hornet. He displayed a dead hornet on his jacket.


    By Mike Baker, the New York Times

    May 2, 2020

    BLAINE, Wash. — In his decades of beekeeping, Ted McFall had never seen anything like it.

    As he pulled his truck up to check on a group of hives near Custer, Wash., in November, he could spot from the window a mess of bee carcasses on the ground. As he looked closer, he saw a pile of dead members of the colony in front of a hive and more carnage inside — thousands and thousands of bees with their heads torn from their bodies and no sign of a culprit.

    “I couldn’t wrap my head around what could have done that,” Mr. McFall said.

    Only later did he come to suspect that the killer was what some researchers simply call the “murder hornet.”

    With queens that can grow to two inches long, Asian giant hornets can use mandibles shaped like spiked shark fins to wipe out a honeybee hive in a matter of hours, decapitating the bees and flying away with the thoraxes to feed their young. For larger targets, the hornet’s potent venom and stinger — long enough to puncture a beekeeping suit — make for an excruciating combination that victims have likened to hot metal driving into their skin.

    In Japan, the hornets kill up to 50 people a year. Now, for the first time, they have arrived in the United States...

    Scientists have since embarked on a full-scale hunt for the hornets, worried that the invaders could decimate bee populations in the United States and establish such a deep presence that all hope for eradication could be lost.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” said Chris Looney, an entomologist at the Washington State Department of Agriculture. “If we can’t do it in the next couple of years, it probably can’t be done.”

    On a cold morning in early December, two and a half miles to the north of Mr. McFall’s property, Jeff Kornelis stepped on his front porch with his terrier-mix dog. He looked down to a jarring sight: “It was the biggest hornet I’d ever seen.”

    The insect was dead, and after inspecting it, Mr. Kornelis had a hunch that it might be an Asian giant hornet. It did not make much sense, given his location in the world, but he had seen an episode of the YouTube personality Coyote Peterson getting a brutal sting from one of the hornets.

    Beyond its size, the hornet has a distinctive look, with a cartoonishly fierce face featuring teardrop eyes like Spider-Man, orange and black stripes that extend down its body like a tiger, and broad, wispy wings like a small dragonfly.

    Mr. Kornelis contacted the state, which came out to confirm that it was indeed an Asian giant hornet. Soon after, they learned that a local beekeeper in the area had also found one of the hornets.

    Dr. Looney said it was immediately clear that the state faced a serious problem, but with only two insects in hand and winter coming on, it was nearly impossible to determine how much the hornet had already made itself at home.

    Over the winter, state agriculture biologists and local beekeepers got to work, preparing for the coming season. Ruthie Danielsen, a beekeeper who has helped organize her peers to combat the hornet, unfurled a map across the hood of her vehicle, noting the places across Whatcom County where beekeepers have placed traps.

    “Most people are scared to get stung by them,” Ms. Danielsen said. “We’re scared that they are going to totally destroy our hives.”

    Adding to the uncertainty — and mystery — were some other discoveries of the Asian giant hornet across the border in Canada.

    In November, a single hornet was seen in White Rock, British Columbia, perhaps 10 miles away from the discoveries in Washington State — likely too far for the hornets to be part of the same colony. Even earlier, there had been a hive discovered on Vancouver Island, across a strait that probably was too wide for a hornet to have crossed from the mainland.

    Crews were able to track down the hive on Vancouver Island. Conrad Bérubé, a beekeeper and entomologist in the town of Nanaimo, was assigned to exterminate it.

    He set out at night, when the hornets would be in their nest. He put on shorts and thick sweatpants, then his bee suit. He donned Kevlar braces on his ankles and wrists.

    But as he approached the hive, he said, the rustling of the brush and the shine of his flashlight awakened the colony. Before he had a chance to douse the nest with carbon dioxide, he felt the first searing stabs in his leg — through the bee suit and underlying sweatpants.

    “It was like having red-hot thumbtacks being driven into my flesh,” he said. He ended up getting stung at least seven times, some of the stings drawing blood.

    Jun-ichi Takahashi, a researcher at Kyoto Sangyo University in Japan, said the species had earned the “murder hornet” nickname there because its aggressive group attacks can expose victims to doses of toxic venom equivalent to that of a venomous snake; a series of stings can be fatal.

    The night he got stung, Mr. Bérubé still managed to eliminate the nest and collect samples, but the next day, his legs were aching, as if he had the flu. Of the thousands of times he has been stung in his lifetime of work, he said, the Asian giant hornet stings were the most painful.

    After collecting the hornet in the Blaine area, state officials took off part of a leg and shipped it to an expert in Japan. A sample from the Nanaimo nest was sent as well.

    A genetic examination, concluded over the past few weeks, determined that the nest in Nanaimo and the hornet near Blaine were not connected, said Telissa Wilson, a state pest biologist, meaning there had probably been at least two different introductions in the region.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Joe Stalin, @Anonymous, @Pericles

    Just learn to be like this guy:

    He survived.

  23. @Carol
    "Remote"? Gallup is right on the interstate.

    Maybe that has more to do with the infection rate.

    Also, Navahos have a big diabetes problem.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    Smallpox, whiskey, now the Covidae. Truly, the natives have been tested. Welcome to a world without borders. As a fellow Montanan, where the virus has just begun to penetrate, I am thankful. Though perhaps we shall be inundated with refugees from the critical areas later this summer. And of course the great budget reckoning come January. Take good care Carol. Be honest, brave, and safe.

  24. @Okie2020
    Snap cards get filled on the first and it is the weekend. If the first was on Wed I doubt the Town would be closed. When I lived there I avoided the groceries south of 40 whenever either of those 2 happened. The townies native and Anglo probably want to be protected from whatever is out in the communities

    Replies: @Grace Jones

    Food Stamp Deposit Schedule in New Mexico
    Monthly benefit deposit schedule.
    SSN ends in Benefits available
    11, 31, 51, 71, 91 1st of the month
    01, 21, 41, 61, 81 2nd of the month
    12, 32, 52, 72, 92 3rd of the month
    02, 22, 42, 62, 82 4th of the month
    [16 more rows]

    Took me less than 60 seconds to get this.

    • Replies: @Okie2020
    @Grace Jones

    I lived there over a year ending 18 months ago. The two times you avoided the whole shopping dist was any weekend and especially the first one. As my Navajo co-worker used to joke if you wanted to find a Navajo no need to find his home just wait on the bench in the front of the super center. There isn't another till u get to winslow 140 miles down the road. Most of that and most of the rez is in az by the way.
    Until I learned and when i goofed I can see the difference between a debit card and a snap card.
    When I say shopping dist I mean the modern chain store fringe along what was route 666 and I-40 the old trading post downtown area where the previous generation traded blankets and silver is just a tourist trap now. You can see that the actual rural businesses you expect in a farm town that size are barely still alive. Most of the outlying communities have switched off the subsistence farm track,onto a more general subsistence on handouts track. It probably makes more economic sense but it has bad social ones . One of my native co-workers at my next job also in a town just off the rez called it a crabs in the bucket effect. I know that isn't a very desert analogy, but that just shows he was american like me. I've never lived in the coast either but I knew what he meant by cultural osmosis.

  25. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    I’m sympathetic to the Navajo, but I don’t think many Americans actually understand their backstory. Cliff note version, there may be some minor inaccuracies and I’m pro-navajo to explicitly state bias.
    Hopi were ancient people living in the four corners area. They are impressive. They had/have developed cosmology and mined coal on an industrial scale roughly equal to the France of their day (ie not English levels, but still we’re talking major output in the pre-Columbian era).
    Along come through Navajo, who are very recent entrants to the New World and, although considerably less sophisticated, much more savage. Within 150 years the Dine (general group for which Navajo is a part) were overlords from Alaska to central Mexico.
    They kicked the more sophisticated and more passive Hopi to hill top marginal refuge. From there, they basically had a stalemate.
    The Navajo and the Hopi fought over land ownership and, in due time, their problem became the US’ problem when we accepted NM and AZ into the nation in 1914.
    Local judges were basically overwhelmed on how to adjudicate this hundreds of year old feud and, eventually, gave up trying . In 1966 the US Gov’t formally made a truce of sorts, saying that in a patch of 1.5 million acres no side could build without the other’s permission. It was meant to be temporary, until each side could agree on boundaries, but in 2020 it stands.
    The Navajo nation has continued to expand and settlers/claim jumpers/Sooners settled in The Gap. (It’s perhaps analogous to settlers in the West Bank). These settlements, in point of fact, do not have running water. But it’s not through deprivation or isolation, it’s by fiat and the Navajo Nation signed off on it and agreed to it annually. It’s effectively a form of law-fare against the Hopi.
    There are old-timers out there that are truly herding sheep and living as they had done in the long-ago past but most in The Gap intentionally and knowingly move there because it’s cheap.
    The whole, “they have covid because there’s no running water!” Is self imposed

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    OO-ee, Nah, they have covid ’cause they’re Indian. They’re less resistant to the weird shit from the Orient. Even though the story says they walked over from the Orient. Maybe that’s why they left in the first place. I’ve never heard of Navajo harvesting bats from Carlsbad Caverns.

    • Replies: @Dave from Oz
    @Neil Templeton


    OO-ee, Nah, they have covid ’cause they’re Indian. They’re less resistant to the weird shit from the Orient.
     
    American Indians are asiatic, and it's only the mormons who disagree.
  26. Spending time in Navajo Country is a real eye opener. It is literally another country. I wish them the best, but not surprised that they are hardest hit.

  27. Our local Indians, the Lummi, have been getting infected at the highest rate in the county. However, it isn’t killing them. Not even the street drunks they kicked off the rez. Most of our dead are nursing home residents. 44% over the age of 90 according to the latest stats.

    One of my neighbors is an attractive young Lummi lady. She’s a yummi Lummi. Sorry, couldn’t help myself.

    Now that folks are out and about again you can see sick people out in the wild. The coughing, the spots — all the signs are on display. I suppose one could get mad about it, but sick people need to eat, too.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill P


    She’s a yummi Lummi.
     
    Do they sell lapis lazuli to the Lenni Lenape?


    By the way, can anyone here explain the sudden run on active dry yeast? Every store in our county is out of it, while its neighbors on the shelf are plentiful. Our co-op did get some in yesterday, but told us we had to pay over the phone to reserve it, as it would be gone by the time we made the 15-mile trip.

    Is everybody baking at home now? For necessity? For extra income? For something to do?

    Or is it an ingredient in some meme remedy?



    https://dish-environment-prod-contentbucket-10u8bszryovz3.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/s3fs-public/styles/content_image_medium/public/Active-Yeast-Photo-by-Meredith.jpg?itok=Y2OedKxW

    Replies: @prosa123, @The Alarmist

    , @prosa123
    @Bill P

    CNN.com is reporting that six nuns at a Wisconsin convent have died of the virus. That seems really shocking, but maybe not ... the convent is for retired nuns, and the six who died were aged 83, 88, 94, 95, 99, and (!) 102.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Genrick Yagoda
    @Bill P

    I spent many years in Whatcom County. Interesting to hear about the Lummi and the Kung-Fu Flu.

    If there are Yummy Lummis, I never observed one. The only ones I saw more closely resembled Mark Twain's description in The Noble Red Man.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Bill P

  28. @Grace Jones
    @Okie2020

    Food Stamp Deposit Schedule in New Mexico
    Monthly benefit deposit schedule.
    SSN ends in Benefits available
    11, 31, 51, 71, 91 1st of the month
    01, 21, 41, 61, 81 2nd of the month
    12, 32, 52, 72, 92 3rd of the month
    02, 22, 42, 62, 82 4th of the month
    [16 more rows]

    Took me less than 60 seconds to get this.

    Replies: @Okie2020

    I lived there over a year ending 18 months ago. The two times you avoided the whole shopping dist was any weekend and especially the first one. As my Navajo co-worker used to joke if you wanted to find a Navajo no need to find his home just wait on the bench in the front of the super center. There isn’t another till u get to winslow 140 miles down the road. Most of that and most of the rez is in az by the way.
    Until I learned and when i goofed I can see the difference between a debit card and a snap card.
    When I say shopping dist I mean the modern chain store fringe along what was route 666 and I-40 the old trading post downtown area where the previous generation traded blankets and silver is just a tourist trap now. You can see that the actual rural businesses you expect in a farm town that size are barely still alive. Most of the outlying communities have switched off the subsistence farm track,onto a more general subsistence on handouts track. It probably makes more economic sense but it has bad social ones . One of my native co-workers at my next job also in a town just off the rez called it a crabs in the bucket effect. I know that isn’t a very desert analogy, but that just shows he was american like me. I’ve never lived in the coast either but I knew what he meant by cultural osmosis.

  29. @AnotherDad

    Although there was an enormous amount of coverage in April of disproportionate COVID cases and deaths among African-Americans, anecdotal evidence suggests that American Indians might be even harder hit.
     
    It's both amazing and annoying just how much continual minoritarian noise we have to listen to about American blacks, who have hugely benefited by their ancestors being dragged here as slaves. Blacks generally are the population group which has had the largest *unmerited* population expansion in human history due to Europeans discovering America and bringing blacks to the New World as slaves.

    In contrast, the Indians were actual big losers. And while they developed ag later and were well behind Eastern Hemisphere civilizations, they had functioning cultures and territory for their destiny to play out on ... and it was ripped away by European conquest. Their populations--even summing up genetic fractions--perhpas haven't even recovered yet. (For American Indians--clearly not.) Yet, no one gives them the time of day.

    Maybe it's because they are ... *natives* and don't quite fit the narrative.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Miss Laura

    Yet, no one gives them the time of day.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  30. @Bill P
    Our local Indians, the Lummi, have been getting infected at the highest rate in the county. However, it isn't killing them. Not even the street drunks they kicked off the rez. Most of our dead are nursing home residents. 44% over the age of 90 according to the latest stats.

    One of my neighbors is an attractive young Lummi lady. She's a yummi Lummi. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

    Now that folks are out and about again you can see sick people out in the wild. The coughing, the spots -- all the signs are on display. I suppose one could get mad about it, but sick people need to eat, too.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @prosa123, @Genrick Yagoda

    She’s a yummi Lummi.

    Do they sell lapis lazuli to the Lenni Lenape?

    By the way, can anyone here explain the sudden run on active dry yeast? Every store in our county is out of it, while its neighbors on the shelf are plentiful. Our co-op did get some in yesterday, but told us we had to pay over the phone to reserve it, as it would be gone by the time we made the 15-mile trip.

    Is everybody baking at home now? For necessity? For extra income? For something to do?

    Or is it an ingredient in some meme remedy?

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    There's been a huge boom in bread baking. From what I've gathered it's sort of a comforting ritual, though the logic behind that sort of escapes me. Yeast is especially hard to find because until now it was never a high-demand item and supermarkets did not stock much of it.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Reg Cæsar

    Same run on yeast in Europe too.

    Reminds me of the question that was begged everytime a hurricane threatened Florida: Is everyone making French Toast, because the stores have gone stock out on white bread, eggs, and milk.

  31. How are American Samoans in Las Vegas doing, as opposed to, say, Mormons?

    I think that a lot of these supposed genetic differences in susceptibility are more related to falling on different points on the stupid behavior axis.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Anon

    How are American Samoans in Las Vegas doing, as opposed to, say, Mormons?

    Samoans probably are faring well because they're so physically robust.

    Replies: @RAZ

  32. 20 deaths in a city of 22,000.

    0.09% of the population.

    SHUT. IT. DOWN.

    I mean shut down RonaHoax, of course.

    • Replies: @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Check your math

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @ben tillman

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    My math is correct: 22,000 divided by 20 deaths equals 0.09% rounded to the nearest hundredth.

    Lay off the sauce. At least when maffing.

  33. @anonymous
    Meanwhile.....Asia, the gift that keeps on giving

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/05/01/us/00ASIAN-HORNETS-deadhornet/merlin_171970938_95ae4252-c96f-4d0e-8118-6d813f3f20e0-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp


    ‘Murder Hornets’ in the U.S.: The Rush to Stop the Asian Giant Hornet

    Sightings of the Asian giant hornet have prompted fears that the vicious insect could establish itself in the United States and devastate bee populations.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” Chris Looney, a Washington State entomologist, said of the two-inch Asian giant hornet. He displayed a dead hornet on his jacket.


    By Mike Baker, the New York Times

    May 2, 2020

    BLAINE, Wash. — In his decades of beekeeping, Ted McFall had never seen anything like it.

    As he pulled his truck up to check on a group of hives near Custer, Wash., in November, he could spot from the window a mess of bee carcasses on the ground. As he looked closer, he saw a pile of dead members of the colony in front of a hive and more carnage inside — thousands and thousands of bees with their heads torn from their bodies and no sign of a culprit.

    “I couldn’t wrap my head around what could have done that,” Mr. McFall said.

    Only later did he come to suspect that the killer was what some researchers simply call the “murder hornet.”

    With queens that can grow to two inches long, Asian giant hornets can use mandibles shaped like spiked shark fins to wipe out a honeybee hive in a matter of hours, decapitating the bees and flying away with the thoraxes to feed their young. For larger targets, the hornet’s potent venom and stinger — long enough to puncture a beekeeping suit — make for an excruciating combination that victims have likened to hot metal driving into their skin.

    In Japan, the hornets kill up to 50 people a year. Now, for the first time, they have arrived in the United States...

    Scientists have since embarked on a full-scale hunt for the hornets, worried that the invaders could decimate bee populations in the United States and establish such a deep presence that all hope for eradication could be lost.

    “This is our window to keep it from establishing,” said Chris Looney, an entomologist at the Washington State Department of Agriculture. “If we can’t do it in the next couple of years, it probably can’t be done.”

    On a cold morning in early December, two and a half miles to the north of Mr. McFall’s property, Jeff Kornelis stepped on his front porch with his terrier-mix dog. He looked down to a jarring sight: “It was the biggest hornet I’d ever seen.”

    The insect was dead, and after inspecting it, Mr. Kornelis had a hunch that it might be an Asian giant hornet. It did not make much sense, given his location in the world, but he had seen an episode of the YouTube personality Coyote Peterson getting a brutal sting from one of the hornets.

    Beyond its size, the hornet has a distinctive look, with a cartoonishly fierce face featuring teardrop eyes like Spider-Man, orange and black stripes that extend down its body like a tiger, and broad, wispy wings like a small dragonfly.

    Mr. Kornelis contacted the state, which came out to confirm that it was indeed an Asian giant hornet. Soon after, they learned that a local beekeeper in the area had also found one of the hornets.

    Dr. Looney said it was immediately clear that the state faced a serious problem, but with only two insects in hand and winter coming on, it was nearly impossible to determine how much the hornet had already made itself at home.

    Over the winter, state agriculture biologists and local beekeepers got to work, preparing for the coming season. Ruthie Danielsen, a beekeeper who has helped organize her peers to combat the hornet, unfurled a map across the hood of her vehicle, noting the places across Whatcom County where beekeepers have placed traps.

    “Most people are scared to get stung by them,” Ms. Danielsen said. “We’re scared that they are going to totally destroy our hives.”

    Adding to the uncertainty — and mystery — were some other discoveries of the Asian giant hornet across the border in Canada.

    In November, a single hornet was seen in White Rock, British Columbia, perhaps 10 miles away from the discoveries in Washington State — likely too far for the hornets to be part of the same colony. Even earlier, there had been a hive discovered on Vancouver Island, across a strait that probably was too wide for a hornet to have crossed from the mainland.

    Crews were able to track down the hive on Vancouver Island. Conrad Bérubé, a beekeeper and entomologist in the town of Nanaimo, was assigned to exterminate it.

    He set out at night, when the hornets would be in their nest. He put on shorts and thick sweatpants, then his bee suit. He donned Kevlar braces on his ankles and wrists.

    But as he approached the hive, he said, the rustling of the brush and the shine of his flashlight awakened the colony. Before he had a chance to douse the nest with carbon dioxide, he felt the first searing stabs in his leg — through the bee suit and underlying sweatpants.

    “It was like having red-hot thumbtacks being driven into my flesh,” he said. He ended up getting stung at least seven times, some of the stings drawing blood.

    Jun-ichi Takahashi, a researcher at Kyoto Sangyo University in Japan, said the species had earned the “murder hornet” nickname there because its aggressive group attacks can expose victims to doses of toxic venom equivalent to that of a venomous snake; a series of stings can be fatal.

    The night he got stung, Mr. Bérubé still managed to eliminate the nest and collect samples, but the next day, his legs were aching, as if he had the flu. Of the thousands of times he has been stung in his lifetime of work, he said, the Asian giant hornet stings were the most painful.

    After collecting the hornet in the Blaine area, state officials took off part of a leg and shipped it to an expert in Japan. A sample from the Nanaimo nest was sent as well.

    A genetic examination, concluded over the past few weeks, determined that the nest in Nanaimo and the hornet near Blaine were not connected, said Telissa Wilson, a state pest biologist, meaning there had probably been at least two different introductions in the region.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Joe Stalin, @Anonymous, @Pericles

    You should breed giant black widows which can spin webs strong enough to hold those suckers. That will take care of them, well and good. Better get started immediately.

  34. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    When dealing with low IQ minorities, the best thing to do is just let them get Covid-19. In one month, they’ll all be immune and no longer spreading it to the smarter whites trying to avoid it by social distancing. It’s the most sensible course. It’s also the ONLY course. You can’t make minorities smarter or more civic-minded.

    People with an IQ 90 or below find abstract thinking hard and they have no time horizon. They can’t grasp that wearing a mask now keeps them from getting sick a week later and helps prevent other people from getting sick. Minorities have difficulty grasping all the details of how you perform social distancing in the first place. They also have poorer memories, and even if they try, they’ll forget to take precautions and do something stupid that exposes themselves to disease.

    Like I said, with the homeless, the losers, and the dumb, just let them get it and develop immunity so they’re no longer a contagion threat.

  35. @Bill P
    Our local Indians, the Lummi, have been getting infected at the highest rate in the county. However, it isn't killing them. Not even the street drunks they kicked off the rez. Most of our dead are nursing home residents. 44% over the age of 90 according to the latest stats.

    One of my neighbors is an attractive young Lummi lady. She's a yummi Lummi. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

    Now that folks are out and about again you can see sick people out in the wild. The coughing, the spots -- all the signs are on display. I suppose one could get mad about it, but sick people need to eat, too.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @prosa123, @Genrick Yagoda

    CNN.com is reporting that six nuns at a Wisconsin convent have died of the virus. That seems really shocking, but maybe not … the convent is for retired nuns, and the six who died were aged 83, 88, 94, 95, 99, and (!) 102.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @prosa123

    That’s like the 101 Italian Drs who died. The headlines made it sound as though the Drs were all working 18 hour days in China flu wards.

    Then someone checked the birth dates of the Drs.

    1920 to 1940, 100 to 70 years old, most over 80.

  36. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill P


    She’s a yummi Lummi.
     
    Do they sell lapis lazuli to the Lenni Lenape?


    By the way, can anyone here explain the sudden run on active dry yeast? Every store in our county is out of it, while its neighbors on the shelf are plentiful. Our co-op did get some in yesterday, but told us we had to pay over the phone to reserve it, as it would be gone by the time we made the 15-mile trip.

    Is everybody baking at home now? For necessity? For extra income? For something to do?

    Or is it an ingredient in some meme remedy?



    https://dish-environment-prod-contentbucket-10u8bszryovz3.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/s3fs-public/styles/content_image_medium/public/Active-Yeast-Photo-by-Meredith.jpg?itok=Y2OedKxW

    Replies: @prosa123, @The Alarmist

    There’s been a huge boom in bread baking. From what I’ve gathered it’s sort of a comforting ritual, though the logic behind that sort of escapes me. Yeast is especially hard to find because until now it was never a high-demand item and supermarkets did not stock much of it.

  37. Roads into Gallup are shut …

    I guess that means that we can’t get our kicks on Route 66.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @PiltdownMan

    I prefer this version.

    https://youtu.be/vifUaZQL8pc


    Hollywood trash update: The song was written by Bobby Troup, who was married to Julie London, who had been married to Jack Webb. Dunno if Troup and London were married at the time, but they starred together on Emergency! , which was produced by Jack Webb.
    Most of my knowledge of Southern California comes from watching The Rockford Files, Jack Webb produced shows, and listening to Mothers of Invention records.

    “Night in a cruiser, Chevy ‘39.
    Going to El Monte Legion Stadium”

    Replies: @Anonymous

  38. @M_Young
    "Gallup is a central hub selling basic household supplies, liquor, and water-containing refills "... WT Heck? Are there no associate editors, are there no proof-readers?

    Replies: @anon, @J.Ross, @The Alarmist

    Wow, you skipped right over the fact that access to Firewater has been cut off. These were some bad hombres before we tamed them with Firewater. What’s the guv’s plan, issue opioids?

  39. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    20 deaths in a city of 22,000.

    0.09% of the population.

    SHUT. IT. DOWN.

    I mean shut down RonaHoax, of course.

    Replies: @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Check your math

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    He's only off by a factor of ten: That's close enough for government policy-making purposes.

    It's like nuclear war: If the heat blast, overpressure, and radiation don't kill you, the resulting famine, roving bands of looters, and disease probably will.

    , @ben tillman
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    The arithmetic is correct. .09% = 9/10,000. He posited 20 deaths out of 22,000.

  40. @Neil Templeton
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    OO-ee, Nah, they have covid 'cause they're Indian. They're less resistant to the weird shit from the Orient. Even though the story says they walked over from the Orient. Maybe that's why they left in the first place. I've never heard of Navajo harvesting bats from Carlsbad Caverns.

    Replies: @Dave from Oz

    OO-ee, Nah, they have covid ’cause they’re Indian. They’re less resistant to the weird shit from the Orient.

    American Indians are asiatic, and it’s only the mormons who disagree.

  41. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill P


    She’s a yummi Lummi.
     
    Do they sell lapis lazuli to the Lenni Lenape?


    By the way, can anyone here explain the sudden run on active dry yeast? Every store in our county is out of it, while its neighbors on the shelf are plentiful. Our co-op did get some in yesterday, but told us we had to pay over the phone to reserve it, as it would be gone by the time we made the 15-mile trip.

    Is everybody baking at home now? For necessity? For extra income? For something to do?

    Or is it an ingredient in some meme remedy?



    https://dish-environment-prod-contentbucket-10u8bszryovz3.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/s3fs-public/styles/content_image_medium/public/Active-Yeast-Photo-by-Meredith.jpg?itok=Y2OedKxW

    Replies: @prosa123, @The Alarmist

    Same run on yeast in Europe too.

    Reminds me of the question that was begged everytime a hurricane threatened Florida: Is everyone making French Toast, because the stores have gone stock out on white bread, eggs, and milk.

  42. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Check your math

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @ben tillman

    He’s only off by a factor of ten: That’s close enough for government policy-making purposes.

    It’s like nuclear war: If the heat blast, overpressure, and radiation don’t kill you, the resulting famine, roving bands of looters, and disease probably will.

  43. @PiltdownMan

    Roads into Gallup are shut ...
     
    I guess that means that we can't get our kicks on Route 66.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCeGi6a-eK4

    Replies: @Ganderson

    I prefer this version.

    Hollywood trash update: The song was written by Bobby Troup, who was married to Julie London, who had been married to Jack Webb. Dunno if Troup and London were married at the time, but they starred together on Emergency! , which was produced by Jack Webb.
    Most of my knowledge of Southern California comes from watching The Rockford Files, Jack Webb produced shows, and listening to Mothers of Invention records.

    “Night in a cruiser, Chevy ‘39.
    Going to El Monte Legion Stadium”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ganderson

    Asleep At The Wheel:

    https://jewishjournal.com/culture/arts/66413/ray-benson-asleep-at-the-wheel-the-biggest-jew-in-country-music-video/

    Country music as such was invented by Jews, in the sense that there was no such thing as "country music" per se until it was invented and cultivated as a category to specially appeal to rural audiences listening to clear channel radio stations at night at the dawn of radio broadcasting on battery radios. They had no AC power, just six volt lead acid tractor or model T batteries for filaments and dry cells in series for B+ ( a whopping 45 volts in most cases!), but they had real estate for a long wire and a good ground and because of no AC it was electrically very, very quiet. If particularly poor, they could always rig up a crystal set. Promoters needed content these audience would relate to and buy stuff advertised on the station (laxatives were big, since the rurals had starchy diets and couldn't shit for shit quite often). So country-and-western music was invented.

    However although the business people behind it were often Jewish, Jews did not often attempt to sing country music. however, when I used to go to the Steel Guitar convention I found that there were a fair number of Jewish steel players who were often technically very good. Mike Perlowin did Stravinsky's Firebird Suite, in a recording sometimes cited by Stravinsky fans as quite remarkable.

    Replies: @black sea, @Ganderson

  44. @AnotherDad

    Although there was an enormous amount of coverage in April of disproportionate COVID cases and deaths among African-Americans, anecdotal evidence suggests that American Indians might be even harder hit.
     
    It's both amazing and annoying just how much continual minoritarian noise we have to listen to about American blacks, who have hugely benefited by their ancestors being dragged here as slaves. Blacks generally are the population group which has had the largest *unmerited* population expansion in human history due to Europeans discovering America and bringing blacks to the New World as slaves.

    In contrast, the Indians were actual big losers. And while they developed ag later and were well behind Eastern Hemisphere civilizations, they had functioning cultures and territory for their destiny to play out on ... and it was ripped away by European conquest. Their populations--even summing up genetic fractions--perhpas haven't even recovered yet. (For American Indians--clearly not.) Yet, no one gives them the time of day.

    Maybe it's because they are ... *natives* and don't quite fit the narrative.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Miss Laura

    Nice turn of phrase, “minoritarian noise.”

  45. @Bill P
    Our local Indians, the Lummi, have been getting infected at the highest rate in the county. However, it isn't killing them. Not even the street drunks they kicked off the rez. Most of our dead are nursing home residents. 44% over the age of 90 according to the latest stats.

    One of my neighbors is an attractive young Lummi lady. She's a yummi Lummi. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

    Now that folks are out and about again you can see sick people out in the wild. The coughing, the spots -- all the signs are on display. I suppose one could get mad about it, but sick people need to eat, too.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @prosa123, @Genrick Yagoda

    I spent many years in Whatcom County. Interesting to hear about the Lummi and the Kung-Fu Flu.

    If there are Yummy Lummis, I never observed one. The only ones I saw more closely resembled Mark Twain’s description in The Noble Red Man.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Four years ago we went on an Alaskan cruise out of Seattle and one of the three* port visits was in Juneau. We took an aerial tramway up a mountain, an attraction run by one of the Native tribes. The young woman taking tickets was absolutely stunning, if she wasn't a solid ten I cannot possibly imagine who else could be. No, I'm not saying she was representative of all Alaskan Native women, but she definitely was a sight for sore eyes.

    * = the other port visits were Victoria, a very nice city and the only place in Canada where palm trees can grow, and Skagway, a town whose entire existence is as a cruise ship port. Things must be pretty grim there now.

    Replies: @G. Poulin, @Anonymous

    , @Bill P
    @Genrick Yagoda

    The hot ones are rare in that tribe, but I've come across at least two. On the other side of the Cascades, in the Colville rez, the ratio is higher.

  46. 20 / 22,000 does equal .09%

  47. @Anon
    How are American Samoans in Las Vegas doing, as opposed to, say, Mormons?

    I think that a lot of these supposed genetic differences in susceptibility are more related to falling on different points on the stupid behavior axis.

    Replies: @prosa123

    How are American Samoans in Las Vegas doing, as opposed to, say, Mormons?

    Samoans probably are faring well because they’re so physically robust.

    • Replies: @RAZ
    @prosa123

    LDS is active in Samoa and Wiki has 15% of Samoa as Mormon. May be higher than any states except UT and ID.

  48. @anon
    "water-containing refills"

    The area is a desert. Possibly Navahos live in houses without reliable water. I'm guessing they are bringing empty jugs into town to fill up with water. Normal people would call this "filling up empty jugs with water".
    In illiterate awkward millenial-speak this becomes "water-containing refills".

    Replies: @Neuday

    How about “Refillable Water Containers”? Perhaps English isn’t the author’s first language.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Neuday

    How about “Refillable Water Containers”?

    Not the same thing as a water-containing refill!
    I will accept no substitute!

  49. @prosa123
    @Anon

    How are American Samoans in Las Vegas doing, as opposed to, say, Mormons?

    Samoans probably are faring well because they're so physically robust.

    Replies: @RAZ

    LDS is active in Samoa and Wiki has 15% of Samoa as Mormon. May be higher than any states except UT and ID.

  50. Too bad the stats on Navajo obesity are not easily found. The highest rate of diabetes in the US is among Indians just outside of Tucson. They mostly live on a large reservation.

    There seem to be two main reasons for the general American Indian poor heath outcomes, particularly diabetes.

    Sedentary lifestyle by living on government handouts, tribal payments. The ones who work their land as small farmers/ranchers are likely pretty fit. But most don’t. They live in mobile homes, watch TV and drink. Some res ban alcohol sales but outside those borders you always find liquor stores even in remote areas. Alcohol is almost pure carbs. Also alcoholism leads to other severe health issues. Tribes try to combat this but this population is a tough nut. Leads to many sociological problems like child and spouse abuse. A huge problem, according to my former school councilor sister, who lived near a large Apache res in NM.

    Secondly, some scientists believe that since AmerInds were hunter gathers, nearly all the time, until corn cultivation slowly spread to some areas, they had natural very low levels of dietary fat. Wild game has practically no fat and there were no fatty veggies like olives. So they were quite lean. With the advent of modern American diets, chips. sodas, eggs, red meat, pork, chicken wings, butter, cow milk, etc. fat is very available. Humans crave it.

    So Indians have little natural ability to metabolize it due to genetic factors. Couple that with sedentary lifestyles and they become quickly fat, even fatter than regular Americans. Blacks on welfare also tend to become obese. It is a health education matter for everyone. Even worse if you lack generations of fat consumption like northern milk/cheese eating Europeans in cold climes. Sitting around watching TV on the dole, no matter who you are, is very anti life. Poor whites living on disability, other than the druggies or alcoholics, are usually also obese. Just check out the trailer park adjacent Walmarts. Maybe this seems elitist, but the long term health outcomes are heavily correlated to educational attainment. Anyone seen any post-teen AmerInds running marathons?

    • Agree: RAZ
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Muggles

    Muggles, "Sitting around watching TV, on the dole..." Wait that is most of America now.

    , @anon
    @Muggles


    So Indians have little natural ability to metabolize [Fat] due to genetic factors. Couple that with sedentary lifestyles and they become quickly fat,
     
    Fat isn't stored as Fat, it's burnt as energy. Plains Indians lived off the buffalo herds, no shortage of fat there.
    Only carbs can be stored as Fat in the tissues, hence poor general health of Indians.
    The key to defeating the Plains Indians was destruction of the buffalo herds, denying them their only food source.
  51. @Genrick Yagoda
    @Bill P

    I spent many years in Whatcom County. Interesting to hear about the Lummi and the Kung-Fu Flu.

    If there are Yummy Lummis, I never observed one. The only ones I saw more closely resembled Mark Twain's description in The Noble Red Man.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Bill P

    Four years ago we went on an Alaskan cruise out of Seattle and one of the three* port visits was in Juneau. We took an aerial tramway up a mountain, an attraction run by one of the Native tribes. The young woman taking tickets was absolutely stunning, if she wasn’t a solid ten I cannot possibly imagine who else could be. No, I’m not saying she was representative of all Alaskan Native women, but she definitely was a sight for sore eyes.

    * = the other port visits were Victoria, a very nice city and the only place in Canada where palm trees can grow, and Skagway, a town whose entire existence is as a cruise ship port. Things must be pretty grim there now.

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    @prosa123

    A ten little Indian.

    , @Anonymous
    @prosa123

    I would guess like Bettie Page, any "Indian" girl particularly attractive to a white man would be largely White. Mixing produces some attractive and some really unattractive people.

    If you see a cute "cockapoo" or "labradoodle" dog, know that it exists at the cost of many, many puppies who were culled who had the characteristics of the parents they didn't want. When we miscegenate humans, we don't cull the total fails. Anyone advocating that has the moral weight of many miserable lives on their heads, people who are unfortunately afflicted with some strange odd combination of genes making success for them unattainable. I remember walking in downtown Philadelphia and seeing a high number of obviously racially mixed people, many of whom were afflicted with horrible spotted complexions, misshapen faces, etc.

    And even when they are attractive.....look at Bettie Page's life. She was nuts. She stabbed someone and went to jail while enrolled in Bible college, as I recall.

  52. @Neuday
    @anon

    How about "Refillable Water Containers"? Perhaps English isn't the author's first language.

    Replies: @anon

    How about “Refillable Water Containers”?

    Not the same thing as a water-containing refill!
    I will accept no substitute!

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  53. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Check your math

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @ben tillman

    The arithmetic is correct. .09% = 9/10,000. He posited 20 deaths out of 22,000.

  54. @prosa123
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Four years ago we went on an Alaskan cruise out of Seattle and one of the three* port visits was in Juneau. We took an aerial tramway up a mountain, an attraction run by one of the Native tribes. The young woman taking tickets was absolutely stunning, if she wasn't a solid ten I cannot possibly imagine who else could be. No, I'm not saying she was representative of all Alaskan Native women, but she definitely was a sight for sore eyes.

    * = the other port visits were Victoria, a very nice city and the only place in Canada where palm trees can grow, and Skagway, a town whose entire existence is as a cruise ship port. Things must be pretty grim there now.

    Replies: @G. Poulin, @Anonymous

    A ten little Indian.

  55. The Navajo reservation is indeed sad to drive through. Beautiful scenery, though. The 163 from Utah into Arizona takes you through famous Monument Valley, and that area seems like it gets tourist dollars. But the further into the interior you get, the more poverty you see.

    But as the commenter above pointed out, the Navajo are relative newcomers to the area, as in, a few hundred years before Columbus landed out east. The cliff dwellings of the area are thought to be defensive works during their invasion, though as far as I can tell today, the Navajo claim the cliff dwellers as their ancestors. The local museums let them get away with it, cuz at this point, there’s no point in arguing.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Seth Largo

    The cliff dwellings of the area are thought to be defensive works during their invasion,

    No, they are not.

    though as far as I can tell today, the Navajo claim the cliff dwellers as their ancestors.

    No, they never did.

    The local museums let them get away with it, cuz at this point, there’s no point in arguing.

    No, they don't.

    https://www.nps.gov/meve/index.htm

    Replies: @Seth Largo, @William Badwhite

  56. @Muggles
    Too bad the stats on Navajo obesity are not easily found. The highest rate of diabetes in the US is among Indians just outside of Tucson. They mostly live on a large reservation.

    There seem to be two main reasons for the general American Indian poor heath outcomes, particularly diabetes.

    Sedentary lifestyle by living on government handouts, tribal payments. The ones who work their land as small farmers/ranchers are likely pretty fit. But most don't. They live in mobile homes, watch TV and drink. Some res ban alcohol sales but outside those borders you always find liquor stores even in remote areas. Alcohol is almost pure carbs. Also alcoholism leads to other severe health issues. Tribes try to combat this but this population is a tough nut. Leads to many sociological problems like child and spouse abuse. A huge problem, according to my former school councilor sister, who lived near a large Apache res in NM.

    Secondly, some scientists believe that since AmerInds were hunter gathers, nearly all the time, until corn cultivation slowly spread to some areas, they had natural very low levels of dietary fat. Wild game has practically no fat and there were no fatty veggies like olives. So they were quite lean. With the advent of modern American diets, chips. sodas, eggs, red meat, pork, chicken wings, butter, cow milk, etc. fat is very available. Humans crave it.

    So Indians have little natural ability to metabolize it due to genetic factors. Couple that with sedentary lifestyles and they become quickly fat, even fatter than regular Americans. Blacks on welfare also tend to become obese. It is a health education matter for everyone. Even worse if you lack generations of fat consumption like northern milk/cheese eating Europeans in cold climes. Sitting around watching TV on the dole, no matter who you are, is very anti life. Poor whites living on disability, other than the druggies or alcoholics, are usually also obese. Just check out the trailer park adjacent Walmarts. Maybe this seems elitist, but the long term health outcomes are heavily correlated to educational attainment. Anyone seen any post-teen AmerInds running marathons?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon

    Muggles, “Sitting around watching TV, on the dole…” Wait that is most of America now.

  57. anon[618] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seth Largo
    The Navajo reservation is indeed sad to drive through. Beautiful scenery, though. The 163 from Utah into Arizona takes you through famous Monument Valley, and that area seems like it gets tourist dollars. But the further into the interior you get, the more poverty you see.

    But as the commenter above pointed out, the Navajo are relative newcomers to the area, as in, a few hundred years before Columbus landed out east. The cliff dwellings of the area are thought to be defensive works during their invasion, though as far as I can tell today, the Navajo claim the cliff dwellers as their ancestors. The local museums let them get away with it, cuz at this point, there's no point in arguing.

    Replies: @anon

    The cliff dwellings of the area are thought to be defensive works during their invasion,

    No, they are not.

    though as far as I can tell today, the Navajo claim the cliff dwellers as their ancestors.

    No, they never did.

    The local museums let them get away with it, cuz at this point, there’s no point in arguing.

    No, they don’t.

    https://www.nps.gov/meve/index.htm

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    @anon

    Right, the Pueblos may have built the defensive works during the earlier arrival of the Numic speakers (and the arrival of climate issues, which may have caused general infighting). My memory was off by a few centuries. So did the Navajo find the Pueblo peoples already in great decline, or already routed?

    The last two points I could confirm with photos from a couple Flagstaff area museums, including the Sunset Crater visitor center.

    Replies: @anon

    , @William Badwhite
    @anon

    Hey look its Corvinus

  58. anon[459] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles
    Too bad the stats on Navajo obesity are not easily found. The highest rate of diabetes in the US is among Indians just outside of Tucson. They mostly live on a large reservation.

    There seem to be two main reasons for the general American Indian poor heath outcomes, particularly diabetes.

    Sedentary lifestyle by living on government handouts, tribal payments. The ones who work their land as small farmers/ranchers are likely pretty fit. But most don't. They live in mobile homes, watch TV and drink. Some res ban alcohol sales but outside those borders you always find liquor stores even in remote areas. Alcohol is almost pure carbs. Also alcoholism leads to other severe health issues. Tribes try to combat this but this population is a tough nut. Leads to many sociological problems like child and spouse abuse. A huge problem, according to my former school councilor sister, who lived near a large Apache res in NM.

    Secondly, some scientists believe that since AmerInds were hunter gathers, nearly all the time, until corn cultivation slowly spread to some areas, they had natural very low levels of dietary fat. Wild game has practically no fat and there were no fatty veggies like olives. So they were quite lean. With the advent of modern American diets, chips. sodas, eggs, red meat, pork, chicken wings, butter, cow milk, etc. fat is very available. Humans crave it.

    So Indians have little natural ability to metabolize it due to genetic factors. Couple that with sedentary lifestyles and they become quickly fat, even fatter than regular Americans. Blacks on welfare also tend to become obese. It is a health education matter for everyone. Even worse if you lack generations of fat consumption like northern milk/cheese eating Europeans in cold climes. Sitting around watching TV on the dole, no matter who you are, is very anti life. Poor whites living on disability, other than the druggies or alcoholics, are usually also obese. Just check out the trailer park adjacent Walmarts. Maybe this seems elitist, but the long term health outcomes are heavily correlated to educational attainment. Anyone seen any post-teen AmerInds running marathons?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon

    So Indians have little natural ability to metabolize [Fat] due to genetic factors. Couple that with sedentary lifestyles and they become quickly fat,

    Fat isn’t stored as Fat, it’s burnt as energy. Plains Indians lived off the buffalo herds, no shortage of fat there.
    Only carbs can be stored as Fat in the tissues, hence poor general health of Indians.
    The key to defeating the Plains Indians was destruction of the buffalo herds, denying them their only food source.

  59. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ganderson
    @PiltdownMan

    I prefer this version.

    https://youtu.be/vifUaZQL8pc


    Hollywood trash update: The song was written by Bobby Troup, who was married to Julie London, who had been married to Jack Webb. Dunno if Troup and London were married at the time, but they starred together on Emergency! , which was produced by Jack Webb.
    Most of my knowledge of Southern California comes from watching The Rockford Files, Jack Webb produced shows, and listening to Mothers of Invention records.

    “Night in a cruiser, Chevy ‘39.
    Going to El Monte Legion Stadium”

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Asleep At The Wheel:

    https://jewishjournal.com/culture/arts/66413/ray-benson-asleep-at-the-wheel-the-biggest-jew-in-country-music-video/

    Country music as such was invented by Jews, in the sense that there was no such thing as “country music” per se until it was invented and cultivated as a category to specially appeal to rural audiences listening to clear channel radio stations at night at the dawn of radio broadcasting on battery radios. They had no AC power, just six volt lead acid tractor or model T batteries for filaments and dry cells in series for B+ ( a whopping 45 volts in most cases!), but they had real estate for a long wire and a good ground and because of no AC it was electrically very, very quiet. If particularly poor, they could always rig up a crystal set. Promoters needed content these audience would relate to and buy stuff advertised on the station (laxatives were big, since the rurals had starchy diets and couldn’t shit for shit quite often). So country-and-western music was invented.

    However although the business people behind it were often Jewish, Jews did not often attempt to sing country music. however, when I used to go to the Steel Guitar convention I found that there were a fair number of Jewish steel players who were often technically very good. Mike Perlowin did Stravinsky’s Firebird Suite, in a recording sometimes cited by Stravinsky fans as quite remarkable.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Anonymous

    David Grisman, esteemed mandolin player and composer raised in Hackensack, NJ, is Jewish.

    , @Ganderson
    @Anonymous

    Kinky Friedman

  60. @prosa123
    @Bill P

    CNN.com is reporting that six nuns at a Wisconsin convent have died of the virus. That seems really shocking, but maybe not ... the convent is for retired nuns, and the six who died were aged 83, 88, 94, 95, 99, and (!) 102.

    Replies: @Alden

    That’s like the 101 Italian Drs who died. The headlines made it sound as though the Drs were all working 18 hour days in China flu wards.

    Then someone checked the birth dates of the Drs.

    1920 to 1940, 100 to 70 years old, most over 80.

  61. @Genrick Yagoda
    @Bill P

    I spent many years in Whatcom County. Interesting to hear about the Lummi and the Kung-Fu Flu.

    If there are Yummy Lummis, I never observed one. The only ones I saw more closely resembled Mark Twain's description in The Noble Red Man.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Bill P

    The hot ones are rare in that tribe, but I’ve come across at least two. On the other side of the Cascades, in the Colville rez, the ratio is higher.

  62. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Four years ago we went on an Alaskan cruise out of Seattle and one of the three* port visits was in Juneau. We took an aerial tramway up a mountain, an attraction run by one of the Native tribes. The young woman taking tickets was absolutely stunning, if she wasn't a solid ten I cannot possibly imagine who else could be. No, I'm not saying she was representative of all Alaskan Native women, but she definitely was a sight for sore eyes.

    * = the other port visits were Victoria, a very nice city and the only place in Canada where palm trees can grow, and Skagway, a town whose entire existence is as a cruise ship port. Things must be pretty grim there now.

    Replies: @G. Poulin, @Anonymous

    I would guess like Bettie Page, any “Indian” girl particularly attractive to a white man would be largely White. Mixing produces some attractive and some really unattractive people.

    If you see a cute “cockapoo” or “labradoodle” dog, know that it exists at the cost of many, many puppies who were culled who had the characteristics of the parents they didn’t want. When we miscegenate humans, we don’t cull the total fails. Anyone advocating that has the moral weight of many miserable lives on their heads, people who are unfortunately afflicted with some strange odd combination of genes making success for them unattainable. I remember walking in downtown Philadelphia and seeing a high number of obviously racially mixed people, many of whom were afflicted with horrible spotted complexions, misshapen faces, etc.

    And even when they are attractive…..look at Bettie Page’s life. She was nuts. She stabbed someone and went to jail while enrolled in Bible college, as I recall.

  63. @anon
    @Seth Largo

    The cliff dwellings of the area are thought to be defensive works during their invasion,

    No, they are not.

    though as far as I can tell today, the Navajo claim the cliff dwellers as their ancestors.

    No, they never did.

    The local museums let them get away with it, cuz at this point, there’s no point in arguing.

    No, they don't.

    https://www.nps.gov/meve/index.htm

    Replies: @Seth Largo, @William Badwhite

    Right, the Pueblos may have built the defensive works during the earlier arrival of the Numic speakers (and the arrival of climate issues, which may have caused general infighting). My memory was off by a few centuries. So did the Navajo find the Pueblo peoples already in great decline, or already routed?

    The last two points I could confirm with photos from a couple Flagstaff area museums, including the Sunset Crater visitor center.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Seth Largo

    Right, the Pueblos may have built the defensive works during the earlier arrival of the Numic speakers (and the arrival of climate issues, which may have caused general infighting).

    Those are not defensive works any more than a Manhattan high rise apartment is a defensive work.
    All food crops were grown on top of the mesa. Arable real estate was precious.

  64. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seth Largo
    @anon

    Right, the Pueblos may have built the defensive works during the earlier arrival of the Numic speakers (and the arrival of climate issues, which may have caused general infighting). My memory was off by a few centuries. So did the Navajo find the Pueblo peoples already in great decline, or already routed?

    The last two points I could confirm with photos from a couple Flagstaff area museums, including the Sunset Crater visitor center.

    Replies: @anon

    Right, the Pueblos may have built the defensive works during the earlier arrival of the Numic speakers (and the arrival of climate issues, which may have caused general infighting).

    Those are not defensive works any more than a Manhattan high rise apartment is a defensive work.
    All food crops were grown on top of the mesa. Arable real estate was precious.

  65. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    20 deaths in a city of 22,000.

    0.09% of the population.

    SHUT. IT. DOWN.

    I mean shut down RonaHoax, of course.

    Replies: @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    My math is correct: 22,000 divided by 20 deaths equals 0.09% rounded to the nearest hundredth.

    Lay off the sauce. At least when maffing.

  66. @Anonymous
    @Ganderson

    Asleep At The Wheel:

    https://jewishjournal.com/culture/arts/66413/ray-benson-asleep-at-the-wheel-the-biggest-jew-in-country-music-video/

    Country music as such was invented by Jews, in the sense that there was no such thing as "country music" per se until it was invented and cultivated as a category to specially appeal to rural audiences listening to clear channel radio stations at night at the dawn of radio broadcasting on battery radios. They had no AC power, just six volt lead acid tractor or model T batteries for filaments and dry cells in series for B+ ( a whopping 45 volts in most cases!), but they had real estate for a long wire and a good ground and because of no AC it was electrically very, very quiet. If particularly poor, they could always rig up a crystal set. Promoters needed content these audience would relate to and buy stuff advertised on the station (laxatives were big, since the rurals had starchy diets and couldn't shit for shit quite often). So country-and-western music was invented.

    However although the business people behind it were often Jewish, Jews did not often attempt to sing country music. however, when I used to go to the Steel Guitar convention I found that there were a fair number of Jewish steel players who were often technically very good. Mike Perlowin did Stravinsky's Firebird Suite, in a recording sometimes cited by Stravinsky fans as quite remarkable.

    Replies: @black sea, @Ganderson

    David Grisman, esteemed mandolin player and composer raised in Hackensack, NJ, is Jewish.

  67. @anon
    @Seth Largo

    The cliff dwellings of the area are thought to be defensive works during their invasion,

    No, they are not.

    though as far as I can tell today, the Navajo claim the cliff dwellers as their ancestors.

    No, they never did.

    The local museums let them get away with it, cuz at this point, there’s no point in arguing.

    No, they don't.

    https://www.nps.gov/meve/index.htm

    Replies: @Seth Largo, @William Badwhite

    Hey look its Corvinus

  68. @Polynikes
    He did value education. Sounds like things are looking up in Angola.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Now this is most odd. Polynikes’ comment was almost certainly intended for the /next/ post (“Popular Angolan Polygamist…”) and indeed appears under it as well. And /that/ thread contains at least one comment, by “Jedi Knight”, that clearly was intended for /this/ one (on American Indians).

    Some kind of cross-threads glitch afoot?

  69. Donald J. Trump Retweeted:

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    Live: Trump Holds Discussion On Supporting Native Americans | NBC News
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GKuHHYBD-I

  70. @MEH 0910
    Donald J. Trump Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/NNVPLizer2019/status/1257789774909239301

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    Live: Trump Holds Discussion On Supporting Native Americans | NBC News

  71. @Anonymous
    @Ganderson

    Asleep At The Wheel:

    https://jewishjournal.com/culture/arts/66413/ray-benson-asleep-at-the-wheel-the-biggest-jew-in-country-music-video/

    Country music as such was invented by Jews, in the sense that there was no such thing as "country music" per se until it was invented and cultivated as a category to specially appeal to rural audiences listening to clear channel radio stations at night at the dawn of radio broadcasting on battery radios. They had no AC power, just six volt lead acid tractor or model T batteries for filaments and dry cells in series for B+ ( a whopping 45 volts in most cases!), but they had real estate for a long wire and a good ground and because of no AC it was electrically very, very quiet. If particularly poor, they could always rig up a crystal set. Promoters needed content these audience would relate to and buy stuff advertised on the station (laxatives were big, since the rurals had starchy diets and couldn't shit for shit quite often). So country-and-western music was invented.

    However although the business people behind it were often Jewish, Jews did not often attempt to sing country music. however, when I used to go to the Steel Guitar convention I found that there were a fair number of Jewish steel players who were often technically very good. Mike Perlowin did Stravinsky's Firebird Suite, in a recording sometimes cited by Stravinsky fans as quite remarkable.

    Replies: @black sea, @Ganderson

    Kinky Friedman

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