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As we all know, in America we need more immigrants to bring us vibrant restaurant cuisine. In France, where they have pretty good restaurants, they need immigrants to win the World Cup. The NYT reports:

The Boys From the Banlieues

By RORY SMITH and ELIAN PELTIER 3:30 PM ET

The vast sprawl of suburbs and satellite towns around Paris, disdained by some as a breeding ground for crime and terrorism, is home to the greatest pool of soccer talent in Europe

In the United States, blacks do well athletically but poorly economically because they live in the inner city instead of the suburbs. In France, however, it’s completely different: blacks do poorly economically but well athletically because they live in the suburbs instead of the inner city:

The stigma is symbolized by the Périphérique, the orbital highway that rings Paris, acting as a physical, social, ethnic and psychological frontier. Inside it is sophisticated, affluent Paris; outside it are the banlieues, places like Seine-St.-Denis, home to large immigrant communities plagued by a lack of opportunity, an absence of high-quality housing and surging unemployment — at the end of 2017, it stood at 11.4 percent in the suburbs.

Screenshot 2018-06-07 18.08.09In America we are used to assuming that blacks are naturally the best athletes, so they must dominate soccer as well.

But soccer has been very slow to adopt American kibbitzers’ suggestions to make changes to make the game more TV friendly, such as more time outs, and thus better suited to West African short-burst explosiveness, like basketball and American football.

Here’s Forbes‘ list of the 20 highest paid soccer players of 2017. I count two blacks, a couple of mixed/transracial (long-time iSteve subject Neymar Jr. of Brazil and Silva of Brazil), a number of Latin Americans who might be a little black (although Suarez of Uruguay might bite you if you said that), a lot of swarthy John Turturro-looking Southern Europeans like Ibrahimović, and various northern Europeans.

I thought Ronaldo of Portugal, the 2017 #1 paid just ahead of the Italian Messi of Argentina, looked slightly black, but in this picture he looks like PeeWee Herman.

Note: soccer stars have lots of money and time on their hands to fiddle constantly with their looks, so any single picture isn’t very authoritative.

 
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  1. Come on. They don’t live in “suburbs” they live in giant modernist projects that wouldn’t look out of place and some dystopian movie.

  2. Conundrum…and annoyingly mysterious for SJW’s who want to keep up the mantra: white, guys, bad. Iceland, is my favorite team now! hahaa Iceland will provide the “wow factor” this time, for the American fans. Everybody loves Iceland.

  3. Conundrum…and annoyingly mysterious for SJW’s who want to keep up the mantra: white, guys, bad. Iceland, is my favorite team now! hahaa Iceland will provide the “wow factor” this time, for the American fans. Everybody loves Iceland. It is just soccer, after all. It does not matter where you grew up.

  4. It looked to me like the Saudi team had a few blacks. I thought they might be ringers, but didn’t watch them play.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    @songbird

    There are lots of blacks in Saudi. They are there for the same reason there are blacks in the US.

    , @syonredux
    @songbird


    It looked to me like the Saudi team had a few blacks. I thought they might be ringers, but didn’t watch them play.
     
    Some Saudis have substantial amounts of Black ancestry.....

    https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/08/Prince%20Bandar.jpg
  5. Anyone seen the rainbow colors on some of the teams’ jersey numbers? It is truly bizarre to see a global homosexual sign marked on national uniforms, and in a men’s sport.

    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @songbird

    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @LondonBob, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Tyrion 2
    @songbird

    On the other hand, there have been very few openly gay footballers

    Until quite recently, the only one anyone had heard of was Justin Fashanu. He was Britain's first £1 million black footballer, which used to be considered real money.

    After announcing he was gay in 1990, he happily told the press that his teammates were perfectly accepting despite the ribbing he received.

    Previously, his legendary manager Brian Clough had been confused by the whole thing, as Clough recounted: "'Where do you go if you want a loaf of bread?' I asked him. 'A baker's, I suppose.' 'Where do you go if you want a leg of lamb?' 'A butcher's.' 'So why do you keep going to that bloody poofs' club?"'

    Sadly later, he ended up being accused of assaulting a 17 year old boy in America amd committed suicide under the attention.

    Other than that, there's been a couple of nobodies and a pretty decent German player, but all in the 2010s.

    Statistically, this does not make sense, but there's no straightfoward explanation. The media line is that it is homophobia but that really doesn't cut it. It fails not only because it is another case of media prejudices being stuck in the now distant past but also because it mistakenly sees causation only going one way. Also, as you say, look at the flags they all wear now.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @songbird


    Anyone seen the rainbow colors on some of the teams’ jersey numbers? It is truly bizarre to see a global homosexual sign marked on national uniforms, and in a men’s sport.
     
    It's getting to be epidemic. A couple of days ago, I saw a giant rainbow arcing over our village through the clouds. Can't escape it anywhere.
    , @stillCARealist
    @songbird

    There was a rainbow flag flying next to the American flag and MA flag at the Boston airport last week. Is it always there?

    Must be one queer airport.

    Replies: @Flip, @sayless

  6. • Replies: @Lex
    @eah

    I wonder how it compares to anti-semitism.

    , @songbird
    @eah

    Actually seems kind of low. I wonder what it would be if you added racial words or racial topics - that would be an interesting graph.

  7. Anonymous [AKA "A Multiracial Individual"] says:

    One thing that I have observed is that White Girls can do anything to get a Black Athlete’s love and attention. They are Strong, Masculine, Manly and Tall. I have seen a lot of White Woman having children with Rich Blacks from Sub Saharan Africa and this thing is also happening in Ivy league colleges. White “man” cannot compete with Black Men or other Men of Color in the sexual marketplace. Men of Color are strong and athletic and have fought their whole lives while White men are weak dull effeminate clumsy and play video games Is it any wonder that white girls crave Black Men?
    Moreover, Miscegenation is wayy more common than what statistics tell you about it. White Men are losing White Woman. I can count on hand White Men with Non White women. But, White Woman are a class apart, they love to have mixed babies in their wombs it seems.

    • Troll: Twinkie, YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    I'll just leave this here: https://nypost.com/2016/06/12/professor-who-donates-sperm-in-city-bathrooms-has-sired-22-kids/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Clyde, @anon

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    You're doing it too brown. I know plenty of white women who find blacks kind of repulsive.

    , @Buck Turgidson
    @Anonymous

    Nicole Brown Simpson

    , @bomag
    @Anonymous

    Why this celebration of dysfunction? Right along with homosexual as hero; trans-gendered as superior beings; women as combat soldiers; etc.

    The kool-aid is strong.

    , @Tiny Duck
    @Anonymous

    I agree I totally agree

    white girls desire Men of Colour because they want strong children

    Replies: @Buck Turgidson

    , @Forbes
    @Anonymous

    Tiny Dick found a ghost writer...

    , @anon
    @Anonymous

    Jewish women love black men. White women not so much.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Mike Tre
    @Anonymous

    This what happens when you enable a Tiny Duck: You get more Tiny Ducks.

    One is funny, 3-4 four is a chore.

    Replies: @res

    , @MBlanc46
    @Anonymous

    Jeez, Tiny Duck is going to step up his game if he wants to how his face around here.

  8. The contrast with the mostly ethnically indigenous German team is interesting. A plausible matchup for the Final, too.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @timothy

    Most of the Black US servicemen with white German mothers play for the US. A few Turks in the German team.

  9. Trading away a centuries-old interesting and inventive culture for higher quality soccer players seems like a bad deal to me.

    I doubt the soldiers who fought and died to defend and ultimately liberate Western Europe in the middle of last century would have been willing to do so for the Europe that will exist by the middle of this one.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @Arclight


    I doubt the soldiers who fought and died to defend and ultimately liberate Western Europe in the middle of last century would have been willing to do so for the Europe that will exist by the middle of this one.
     
    'This isn't the Britain we fought for,' say the 'unknown warriors' of WWII"

    Nearly 400,000 Britons died. Millions more were scarred by the experience, physically and mentally.

    But was it worth it? Her answer - and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s - is a resounding No.

    ..

    The feelings of Sarah and others from this most selfless generation about the modern world have been recorded by a Tyneside writer, 33-year-old Nicholas Pringle.

    Curious about his grandmother's generation and what they did in the war, he decided three years ago to send letters to local newspapers across the country asking for those who lived through the war to write to him with their experiences.

    He rounded off his request with this question: 'Are you happy with how your country has turned out? What do you think your fallen comrades would have made of life in 21st-century Britain?'

    What is extraordinary about the 150 replies he received, which he has now published as a book, is their vehement insistence that those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war would now be turning in their graves.
     

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    , @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    I doubt the soldiers who fought and died to defend and ultimately liberate Western Europe in the middle of last century would have been willing to do so for the Europe that will exist by the middle of this one.
     
    Practically no one who showed up to fight for the West would have done so, if they knew how their nations were going to be sold down the river by their "leaders".

    When my kids were growing up--at the appropriate time--we watched several Hollyweird (and British) movies about the War. Wouldn't bother doing that if I was doing it now. Turned out it wasn't saving civilization from savages, it was setting up the West to be sold out and expunged. Hate to say it--and of course as a boomer I wouldn't, my kids wouldn't, be here in an alternate history--but Western European peoples would have actually been better off losing or certainly taking the negotiated peace.

    What's being done now is flat out the destruction of the greatest people and civilization the world ever seen. So anything short of that--even rule by Nazi puppet thugs--would actually be better.

    For Russia and the East though the math is different. The Soviet occupation seems to have provided some sort of--somewhat--prophylactic effect on "American" minoritarian ideology and those nations may yet--I hope!--survive. While their future under the Nazis would have been bleak.

    Note--i'm not trying to peddle black pills here. I hope that--any day now--will have an uprising, say Norwegians pouring out of the north woods, dishing out some street justice on the traitors and the beginning of the end of "the end of the West". But i'm not holding my breath.

    Replies: @istevefan

    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Arclight

    You realise that colonial troops fought both wars correct? That the colonies didn't capitulate to the Nazis.

    Read a little.

    Replies: @Arclight

  10. anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:

    Italy has a lot of migrants (or immigrants) and they didn’t qualify for the tournament for the first time since 1958. Bizarrely, the 1982 World Cup champion team from Italy was composed of … Italians who were from … Italy. In fairness it should be noted that Italian Goalkeeper Dino Zoff was about a half hour drive from being Slovenian (or whatever it was then). The defeated West Germans also seemed to be ethnically similar with each other. To paraphrase Lou (Burt Lancaster) in Louis Malle’s Atlantic City — “You should have seen the Continent of Europe back then. It was something.”

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @anonymous

    Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia then.

  11. I thought Ronaldo of Portugal, the 2017 #1 paid just ahead of the Italian Messi of Argentina, looked slightly black, but in this picture he looks like PeeWee

    Don’t confuse him with Ronaldinho (Little Ronald) of Brazil, who has a lot more of the tar brush about him.

    Also, if Ronaldo’s herman is peewee, then he’s not black. Ask Truth.

    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @Reg Cæsar

    Also, if Ronaldo’s herman is peewee, then he’s not black.

    Would also rule out any Native American ancestry... : D

  12. because they live in the inner city instead of the suburbs

    All they need is the magic dirt. Because equality!

  13. A country the size of France shouldn’t need to import talent. Germany’s 2014 World Cup championship team was mostly German, for example, aside from a few Turks and the Afro-German defender Boateng.

    • Replies: @Carbon blob
    @Dave Pinsen

    France has never cared all that much about developing the game domestically though. French clubs have won the European Cup/Champions League once, same number of times as Scotland and Romania.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

  14. They trot out stories like this quadriennially, just like WSJ trots out True Tales About Thanksgiving and so on. The smart response is to point to braindrain. That would involve asking those who promote such tales things like “wouldn’t Ghana be doing better if the players you want to leave stayed home?” And, for extra credit, “in the past, countries would raid others for physical assets. Now, those like you want them to raid the same countries for human assets. Aren’t you basically supporting colonialism?”

    The loudest voices against mass/illegal immigration can’t/won’t do such things (and are enabled by their fans), so that’s why the bad guys keep winning.

    P.S. Well before Kap etc., Coulter, Medved, etc. hyped the NFL during the last WorldCup. Use that to undercut them to their fans.

  15. Interesting to see that Robin Van Persie is still in the top 20, despite playing in Turkey now. He scored the most spectacular goal of the last World Cup for The Netherlands, but they didn’t qualify this year.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    @Dave Pinsen

    That was a fantastic goal; reminiscent of Roberto Baggio against Spain as well in 1994:

    https://youtu.be/1u6H10_z6sI?t=1m45s

    Outside of putting it all together and winning it in 2010, Spain always seems to get snakebit in the tournament...

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  16. istevefan says:
    @Arclight
    Trading away a centuries-old interesting and inventive culture for higher quality soccer players seems like a bad deal to me.

    I doubt the soldiers who fought and died to defend and ultimately liberate Western Europe in the middle of last century would have been willing to do so for the Europe that will exist by the middle of this one.

    Replies: @istevefan, @AnotherDad, @Nigerian Nationalist

    I doubt the soldiers who fought and died to defend and ultimately liberate Western Europe in the middle of last century would have been willing to do so for the Europe that will exist by the middle of this one.

    ‘This isn’t the Britain we fought for,’ say the ‘unknown warriors’ of WWII”

    Nearly 400,000 Britons died. Millions more were scarred by the experience, physically and mentally.

    But was it worth it? Her answer – and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s – is a resounding No.

    ..

    The feelings of Sarah and others from this most selfless generation about the modern world have been recorded by a Tyneside writer, 33-year-old Nicholas Pringle.

    Curious about his grandmother’s generation and what they did in the war, he decided three years ago to send letters to local newspapers across the country asking for those who lived through the war to write to him with their experiences.

    He rounded off his request with this question: ‘Are you happy with how your country has turned out? What do you think your fallen comrades would have made of life in 21st-century Britain?’

    What is extraordinary about the 150 replies he received, which he has now published as a book, is their vehement insistence that those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war would now be turning in their graves.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @istevefan

    And yet that’s the very same generation that started the train wreck.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @istevefan, @Matra

  17. Soccer is also a much more fluid and changeable game, so the players have to be capable of adapting to circumstance and improvising their tactics. There’s no coach lining them all up and telling them to run Play #419: soccer must therefore place a higher demand on the cognition and teamwork of the players.

    (Insulting blacks and Americans in one smooth stroke!)

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Matthew McConnagay

    Same with hockey, only more so. And hockey is, PK Subban notwithstanding, is white white white.

    Replies: @meh

    , @Anonymous
    @Matthew McConnagay

    American sports (baseball and American football) involve a lot more strategy on the part of team management than does soccer. Soccer games come down to physical conditioning on the part of all concerned, whereas in the pre-steroids days some very out of shape people were able to play a part in football (remember Refrigerator Perry?) and in baseball (Babe Ruth was downright fat, John Goodman was a good choice to play him).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen

  18. Soccer has already made its place in the American consciousness. The absolute top number one most popular pro-sports team in America is a soccer team now.

    And they’re going to the World Cup, so Americans can root for them to win in Russia. That’s right: It’s the Mexican National Soccer team. America’s favorites.

    ¡Viva!

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @fnn
    @(((Owen)))

    Isn't Canelo more popular than the whole Mexican Soccer team?

  19. Hail says: • Website

    France national team for 2018
    (Years of birth range from 1985 to 1998)

    Goalkeepers [Whites at 1.0/3.0]
    – Hugo Lloris (White European, all French origin?)
    – Steve Mandanda (Black; born in Congo)
    – Alphonse Areola (Filipino parents; born in Paris)

    Defenders [Whites at 2.5/8.0]
    – Benjamin Pavard (White European; born to local family near Belgian border)
    – Presnel Kimpembe (Black; half-Congolese, half-Haitian
    – Raphaël Varane (half-White, half-Black [Martinique])
    – Samuel Umtiti (Black; born in Cameroon)
    – Adil Rami (Moroccan parents; born in Corsica)
    – Djibril Sidibé (Black; Malian ancestry)
    – Lucas Hernández (White European, French and Spanish origin?)
    – Benjamin Mendy (Black; Senegalese ancestry; born in France)

    Midfielders [Whites at 1.0/6.0]
    – Paul Pogba (Black and Muslim; Guinean parents, born in Paris suburb)
    – Thomas Lemar (Black; born in Guadeloupe)
    – Corentin Tolisso (half-Black [father from Togo], half-White; born in France)
    – N’Golo Kanté (Black; parents emigrated from Mali in 1980; born/raised in Paris suburb)
    – Blaise Matuidi (Black; Angolan ancestry; parents refugees from Angolan Civil War; born Tolouse)
    – Steven Nzonzi (half-Black [Congo], half-White; born/raised in Paris suburb)

    Strikers [Whites at 3.0/6.0]
    – Antoine Griezmann (full European; French, German, Portuguese ancestry; born in central France)
    – Olivier Giroud (full European; part Italian through both grandmothers)
    – Kylian Mbappé (half-Black [Cameroon], half-Algerian [mother]; b. Paris; youngest player on squad [b. Dec. 1998])
    – Ousmane Dembélé (Black; Mauritian, Senegalese, Malian ancestry)
    – Nabil Fekir (both parents of Algerian origin; born in Lyon)
    – Florian Thauvin (full European; born in Lyon)

    _______________________________

    Totals for the France-2018 squad are:
    European ancestry at 33% [ 7.5/23.0].
    Subsaharan African ancestry at 52% [at 12.0/23.0].

    Even this seems to be a good deal Whiter of a team than some recent ones. I believe Jean-Marie Le Pen was threatened with race-hate prosecution over saying one of the previous national teams did not represent France; at that time it was something down closer to a 10%-White share.

    Note: The comparable figure for Germany-2018 (incoming champions) is: 85% European, 4% Subsaharan (two half-Blacks), 11% Muslim (two Turks and a half-Tunisian [Khedira]).

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Hail

    Raphael Varane absolutely cannot be half black. Maybe one-quarter black, and even that's a stretch.
    https://goo.gl/images/qR12ua

    Tolisso does look mixed, Nzonzi could pass for full African.

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Hail

    The guy who scored the winning goal for Germany in the last World Cup looks kind of like Ryan Gosling and is a professor's son.

    Are there class differences in who plays soccer in different European countries? Soccer is quite middle class in the US, but very working class in some other countries.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @bored identity, @Cowboy shaw, @Englishman Abroad

    , @Lot
    @Hail


    Alphonse Areola
     
    Laurent Labia
    Pierre Pubis-Mons
    Valérie Giscard d'Vulva
    Clovis Clitoralhood

    Replies: @snorlax

    , @Anonymous
    @Hail

    I can find only 6 Whites in your list, and only 2 Frenchmen.

    Replies: @Hail

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Hail

    When France won the World Cup in 1998 with a very racially mixed side the Guardian and BBC were ecstatic, it showed how multiculturalism united the nation etc etc. Not long after that the now-endemic riots started.

    (The England team yesterday started with 5 black players, three more came on as substitutes. In 1966 the only hint of diversity was George Cohen at full-back)

    Sam - one reason England doesn't produce many great players now is that the top leagues are full of foreign mercenaries, so it's harder to get top-level experience.

    , @baked georgia
    @Hail

    more or less the same number as 'whites' than brazil team! the majority of brazillian players are mistery meat than black, though.


    in soccer, there's a similar association with american football: the most creative playmakers and club managers/coaches are usually white

  20. Players switch countries because they like to win the World Cup.
    https:/youtu.be/X_cwcTNGp3U

  21. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    In France, where they have pretty good restaurants, they need immigrants to win the World Cup.

    And at the club level, they need immigrant ringers to offset the costs of immigration.

    It all works perfectly.

    A Muslim propels his team to the Champions League final by scoring against the very team he was playing for last year, A.S. Roma.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/world/europe/mo-salah-liverpool-champions-league.html

    One song in his honor has the lyrics, “If he scores another few, then I’ll be Muslim, too,” and it has not gone unnoticed. Though the chant has attracted some criticism, Anwar Uddin, a former player who now works for the Football Supporters’ Federation on its diversity programming, says he thinks it is well intentioned.

    “Things like that can break down barriers,” he said, pointing out that the simple sight of seeing Mr. Salah bow and reflect after scoring a goal can help to “remove the stigma” that some may attach to the sight of a Muslim praying.

    Perhaps Muslim players could be distributed evenly on loans to all the major cities’ clubs so they can all stage these propaganda coups?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Anonymous

    There was a fictional book about a Nazi occupation of Britain, they win over the natives by importing top German footballers to play for English teams.

    Football has always been an immigrant game in France, just it used to be Italians like Platini and Spaniards. This is still reflected in some players in the squad today.

  22. Every World Cup match will have three anti-discrimination observers in the stands, monitoring the behaviour of fans.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44405889

  23. • Replies: @utu
    @Lagertha

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665044/The-Viking-war-chant-originated-Scotland-Iceland-s-mighty-clap-celebration-chants-huh-performed-Euro-2016-wins-inspired-Motherwell-fans.html

    According to Icelandic publication Morgunbladid, who spoke to the Irish Times, the mighty clap originated in the Scottish Premier League.

    But Styrmir Gislason, the head of the Association of Icelandic Football Fans, told Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten, the celebration may have come from a Polish handball team.

    Replies: @Lagertha

  24. @Hail
    France national team for 2018
    (Years of birth range from 1985 to 1998)

    Goalkeepers [Whites at 1.0/3.0]
    - Hugo Lloris (White European, all French origin?)
    - Steve Mandanda (Black; born in Congo)
    - Alphonse Areola (Filipino parents; born in Paris)

    Defenders [Whites at 2.5/8.0]
    - Benjamin Pavard (White European; born to local family near Belgian border)
    - Presnel Kimpembe (Black; half-Congolese, half-Haitian
    - Raphaël Varane (half-White, half-Black [Martinique])
    - Samuel Umtiti (Black; born in Cameroon)
    - Adil Rami (Moroccan parents; born in Corsica)
    - Djibril Sidibé (Black; Malian ancestry)
    - Lucas Hernández (White European, French and Spanish origin?)
    - Benjamin Mendy (Black; Senegalese ancestry; born in France)

    Midfielders [Whites at 1.0/6.0]
    - Paul Pogba (Black and Muslim; Guinean parents, born in Paris suburb)
    - Thomas Lemar (Black; born in Guadeloupe)
    - Corentin Tolisso (half-Black [father from Togo], half-White; born in France)
    - N'Golo Kanté (Black; parents emigrated from Mali in 1980; born/raised in Paris suburb)
    - Blaise Matuidi (Black; Angolan ancestry; parents refugees from Angolan Civil War; born Tolouse)
    - Steven Nzonzi (half-Black [Congo], half-White; born/raised in Paris suburb)

    Strikers [Whites at 3.0/6.0]
    - Antoine Griezmann (full European; French, German, Portuguese ancestry; born in central France)
    - Olivier Giroud (full European; part Italian through both grandmothers)
    - Kylian Mbappé (half-Black [Cameroon], half-Algerian [mother]; b. Paris; youngest player on squad [b. Dec. 1998])
    - Ousmane Dembélé (Black; Mauritian, Senegalese, Malian ancestry)
    - Nabil Fekir (both parents of Algerian origin; born in Lyon)
    - Florian Thauvin (full European; born in Lyon)

    _______________________________

    Totals for the France-2018 squad are:
    -- European ancestry at 33% [ 7.5/23.0].
    -- Subsaharan African ancestry at 52% [at 12.0/23.0].

    Even this seems to be a good deal Whiter of a team than some recent ones. I believe Jean-Marie Le Pen was threatened with race-hate prosecution over saying one of the previous national teams did not represent France; at that time it was something down closer to a 10%-White share.

    Note: The comparable figure for Germany-2018 (incoming champions) is: 85% European, 4% Subsaharan (two half-Blacks), 11% Muslim (two Turks and a half-Tunisian [Khedira]).

    Replies: @prosa123, @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @baked georgia

    Raphael Varane absolutely cannot be half black. Maybe one-quarter black, and even that’s a stretch.
    https://goo.gl/images/qR12ua

    Tolisso does look mixed, Nzonzi could pass for full African.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @prosa123

    Google-Image for 'Raphael Varane parents.' The man pictured as his father looks quite dark, though perhaps not 100% Subsaharan himself. If that man is his father, Raphael Varane has substantial Subsaharan ancestry. Pictures of Raphael as a boy do also show a child who looks like a mulatto.

    How to explain his present looks? A few possibilities that aren't too hard to imagine. If he has had a 'hand' in the evolution of his own phenotype, what does that say about him?

  25. When did people start thinking that living in a city is inherently disadvantageous? According to the google n-gram, people didn’t really start saying “inner city” until the 60s.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @gregor

    Most of history. You lived in a city or village to take cover behind the walls, not because you wanted to live cheek by jowl. If you were rich enough, you built a house outside the city and lived there. The inconvenience of traveling into the city was worth it, since it reduced your chances of dying from disease.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @anonymous coward
    @gregor


    When did people start thinking that living in a city is inherently disadvantageous?
     
    When the Blacks moved in.

    Ever yours,

    - Captain Obvious.
  26. 23and me informed me that I have an “Elite Athlete ” gene. I am not surprised, because my mother was an extremely competitive athlete, playing, basketball, tennis and softball. I love to play tennis and soccer/football and basketball, however, I did not inherit a competitive gene and absolutely do not care if I win or lose. There are 2 elite athlete genes and I am missing one of them. I was always quite good at sports, having a very symmetrical body and being very coordinated, but I had zero drive or ambition.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Michelle

    What sort of sporting abilities did you and your mother seem to be gifted in?

  27. @Dave Pinsen
    A country the size of France shouldn't need to import talent. Germany's 2014 World Cup championship team was mostly German, for example, aside from a few Turks and the Afro-German defender Boateng.

    Replies: @Carbon blob

    France has never cared all that much about developing the game domestically though. French clubs have won the European Cup/Champions League once, same number of times as Scotland and Romania.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Carbon blob

    My vague impression is that the Dutch are the best nurturers of soccer talent.

    Replies: @Tacitus, @Sam, @Brutusale, @Sean Burgess

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Carbon blob

    Give Guingamp time. After all, with 7,000 inhabitants, they're half the size of Foxborough.

    Also, the nightlife in Breton villages leaves something to be desired. This retards the recruitment of players, but does wonders for their concentration once they sign on.

  28. They released the official world cup song for Russia 2018 in three languages: English, Spanish and Russian. Too easy, I can understand all the languages already.

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    @Dmitry

    Без каментов! Why are they surrendering so easily ;)

  29. OT – another iStevey piece:

    The overall homicide arrest rate in the 50 cities is 49 percent, but in these areas of impunity, police make arrests less than 33 percent of the time. Despite a nationwide drop in violence to historic lows, 34 of the 50 cities have a lower homicide arrest rate now than a decade ago.

    Some cities, such as Baltimore and Chicago, solve so few homicides that vast areas stretching for miles experience hundreds of homicides with virtually no arrests.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/where-murders-go-unsolved/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.13867b6b96d2

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Stan d Mute

    More evidence that nobody really cares about gang homicide victims. I mean, apart from the few family members directly involved, the rest of us realize that these punks largely have it comin'. Why should the police waste time and resources on murders that just clear out a piece of the criminal population?

    It's a terrible way for a society to react, but I doubt it's ever been different. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    , @Forbes
    @Stan d Mute

    Snitches get stitches is a regular feature of those "areas of impunity."

  30. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Note how Germany does not have many hugely paid superstars – only Ozil makes the Top20, at position #20. Yet their national team is a perennial favorite, including 2018.

    • Agree: utu
  31. @Carbon blob
    @Dave Pinsen

    France has never cared all that much about developing the game domestically though. French clubs have won the European Cup/Champions League once, same number of times as Scotland and Romania.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    My vague impression is that the Dutch are the best nurturers of soccer talent.

    • Replies: @Tacitus
    @Steve Sailer

    The Dutch are good nurturers.

    https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/01/the-netherlands-is-the-second-largest-agricultural-exporter-after-us/

    , @Sam
    @Steve Sailer

    You are completely correct. They have been punching above their weight at an incredible rate for over 40 years ever since the spectacular and intellectual Total Football teams of 70’s that changed football into a tactical and smart sport.*

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hfqTy2bJzmU

    The Dutch are quite known for their youth academies and relying on young players with Ajax being the prime example. Italians following national stereotype have historically distrusted youth and prefered extending the life of old players. The French centralized elite national youth development in Clairefontaine in Paris, of course.

    *The Soviet came up with the same scientific approach to the sport at the same time. A fantastic book on the cultural and tactical side of football is Jonathan Wilson’s The Inverted Pyramid. He starts with the formation of the sport in British universities and goes through the spreading to rest of the world as well as covering the big moments at the World Cup and club football.https://www.amazon.com/Inverting-Pyramid-History-Soccer-Tactics/dp/1568587384/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528448540&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=jonathan+wilson+pyramid&dpPl=1&dpID=51JZYQnim9L&ref=plSrch

    Replies: @Bill B.

    , @Brutusale
    @Steve Sailer

    They all do. Sporting FC snatched up Ronaldo from Madeira, where he grew up, when he was 12 years old.

    Can you imagine the Yankee$ signing 12-year olds to play in for a developmental team?

    According to Wiki, his parents named him after Ronald Reagan.

    , @Sean Burgess
    @Steve Sailer

    If you're interested in how the Dutch nurture future stars, here's a good article from 2010:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/magazine/06Soccer-t.html

  32. @istevefan
    @Arclight


    I doubt the soldiers who fought and died to defend and ultimately liberate Western Europe in the middle of last century would have been willing to do so for the Europe that will exist by the middle of this one.
     
    'This isn't the Britain we fought for,' say the 'unknown warriors' of WWII"

    Nearly 400,000 Britons died. Millions more were scarred by the experience, physically and mentally.

    But was it worth it? Her answer - and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s - is a resounding No.

    ..

    The feelings of Sarah and others from this most selfless generation about the modern world have been recorded by a Tyneside writer, 33-year-old Nicholas Pringle.

    Curious about his grandmother's generation and what they did in the war, he decided three years ago to send letters to local newspapers across the country asking for those who lived through the war to write to him with their experiences.

    He rounded off his request with this question: 'Are you happy with how your country has turned out? What do you think your fallen comrades would have made of life in 21st-century Britain?'

    What is extraordinary about the 150 replies he received, which he has now published as a book, is their vehement insistence that those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war would now be turning in their graves.
     

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    And yet that’s the very same generation that started the train wreck.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Stan d Mute


    And yet that’s the very same generation that started the train wreck.

     

    Because they insisted the welfare state was in their interests. They didn't consider that they themselves weren't in the welfare state's interest.

    Be careful what you ask for...
    , @istevefan
    @Stan d Mute


    And yet that’s the very same generation that started the train wreck.
     
    Was it? Emanuel Celler was born in 1888. Jacob Javitts was born in 1904. LBJ was born in 1908. Harry Truman was born in 1884. These guys and many of the political leaders of the 40s, 50s and 60s were definitely in the prior generation to the so called greatest generation.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @Matra
    @Stan d Mute

    Britain remained overwhelmingly British right up until the late 90s, and, no, Blair's immigration policies were not the inevitable result of Dunkirk as so many black-pilled right wingers would have us believe. Those who grew up in the decades after WW2 had the opportunity to have better lives than previous generations and for the most part did so. It's unlikely that life under German hegemony, particularly in the 40s and 50s, when the Nazis might've still been around, would've been anything to write home about. To think Europe's condition would've been any better than it is today is just rose-coloured counterfactual history and a form of escapism, sadly typical of failed reactionaries in general - paleos going on about the Civi...oops, sorry, War Between the States and Catholic Hrxers blaming the Reformation also come to mind.

    Replies: @The Man From K Street

  33. Time outs are for wimps.

    Or five-year-olds.

  34. @Hail
    France national team for 2018
    (Years of birth range from 1985 to 1998)

    Goalkeepers [Whites at 1.0/3.0]
    - Hugo Lloris (White European, all French origin?)
    - Steve Mandanda (Black; born in Congo)
    - Alphonse Areola (Filipino parents; born in Paris)

    Defenders [Whites at 2.5/8.0]
    - Benjamin Pavard (White European; born to local family near Belgian border)
    - Presnel Kimpembe (Black; half-Congolese, half-Haitian
    - Raphaël Varane (half-White, half-Black [Martinique])
    - Samuel Umtiti (Black; born in Cameroon)
    - Adil Rami (Moroccan parents; born in Corsica)
    - Djibril Sidibé (Black; Malian ancestry)
    - Lucas Hernández (White European, French and Spanish origin?)
    - Benjamin Mendy (Black; Senegalese ancestry; born in France)

    Midfielders [Whites at 1.0/6.0]
    - Paul Pogba (Black and Muslim; Guinean parents, born in Paris suburb)
    - Thomas Lemar (Black; born in Guadeloupe)
    - Corentin Tolisso (half-Black [father from Togo], half-White; born in France)
    - N'Golo Kanté (Black; parents emigrated from Mali in 1980; born/raised in Paris suburb)
    - Blaise Matuidi (Black; Angolan ancestry; parents refugees from Angolan Civil War; born Tolouse)
    - Steven Nzonzi (half-Black [Congo], half-White; born/raised in Paris suburb)

    Strikers [Whites at 3.0/6.0]
    - Antoine Griezmann (full European; French, German, Portuguese ancestry; born in central France)
    - Olivier Giroud (full European; part Italian through both grandmothers)
    - Kylian Mbappé (half-Black [Cameroon], half-Algerian [mother]; b. Paris; youngest player on squad [b. Dec. 1998])
    - Ousmane Dembélé (Black; Mauritian, Senegalese, Malian ancestry)
    - Nabil Fekir (both parents of Algerian origin; born in Lyon)
    - Florian Thauvin (full European; born in Lyon)

    _______________________________

    Totals for the France-2018 squad are:
    -- European ancestry at 33% [ 7.5/23.0].
    -- Subsaharan African ancestry at 52% [at 12.0/23.0].

    Even this seems to be a good deal Whiter of a team than some recent ones. I believe Jean-Marie Le Pen was threatened with race-hate prosecution over saying one of the previous national teams did not represent France; at that time it was something down closer to a 10%-White share.

    Note: The comparable figure for Germany-2018 (incoming champions) is: 85% European, 4% Subsaharan (two half-Blacks), 11% Muslim (two Turks and a half-Tunisian [Khedira]).

    Replies: @prosa123, @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @baked georgia

    The guy who scored the winning goal for Germany in the last World Cup looks kind of like Ryan Gosling and is a professor’s son.

    Are there class differences in who plays soccer in different European countries? Soccer is quite middle class in the US, but very working class in some other countries.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    @Steve Sailer

    If you have to choose then it's working class in most of Europe. The game is popular enough to attract most youngsters for a while at least. The rugby codes are middle class in the UK.

    A funny, or infuriating, thing happened when the Swedish team was presented. This time a journalist from the state controlled channels asked why the team wasn't very diverse. He then proceeded to suggest that the coach could have missed diverse talents by being blind to their presence.

    Out of 23 players there are 2 mulatto and 1 middle eastern player.

    Replies: @Matra

    , @bored identity
    @Steve Sailer




    "...a lot of swarthy John Turturro-looking Southern Europeans like Ibrahimović..."

     

    bored identity has to offer this tiny miny huge correction to Steve's geo-phrenological observation:

    Although Zlatan Django-Stardust-Ibrahimovic does carry some Midterranean rhinal features - his real ethnic origin puts him in the epicenter of the former Tito's Muttlandia.

    Zlatan (Goldy in South-Slavic languages) Ibrahimovic's (Islamic variant of Abrahamovitz) heritage consists of equal parts of Bosnian, Croat, and/or Gypsy bloodlines; which in return turned him into one of the finest specimens of Malmö's Palmeolithic Era.



    "....Zlatan Ibrahimović is a Swedish footballer.

    His father, Šefik Ibrahimović, born in Bijeljina, is a Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim).

    His mother, Jurka Gravić, born in the village of Prkos, near Škabrnja, in Croatia’s Zadar County, is a Croatian Catholic.

    Zlatan grew up in Rosengård, a Malmö neighbourhood known for its immigrant communities.


    Growing up in Sweden, due to his mixed background, he was subjected to racist abuse and was cruelly nicknamed: ‘Zigge – the gypsy.’

    One of his first clubs was FBK Balkan.

    He is fluent in five languages.

    Zlatan has stated that he is a Catholic Christian.

    Zlatan’s paternal grandparents were Zećo Ibrahimović and Vasva Džinić.

    Zlatan is said to have Albanian and/or Romani ancestry.

    It is not clear if there is evidence for these statements."

    http://ethnicelebs.com/zlatan-ibrahimovic

     

    https://youtu.be/2mGtxWUwOsQ?t=5s

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/nintchdbpict000251386397.jpg?w=960


    Also, Roman Ibrahimovich's contribution in fighting against Igbo-American carpetdouchebaggery in Euro League is something that goes along Sailer's inquiry on ongoing Soccer Class Struggle:



    “I joined AC Milan in 2010 and our biggest league match was approaching. The Milan derby against Inter, whose most passionate fans — the Ultras — were going to hate me.”

    “On top of that, I had issues with Oguchi Onyewu, a guy in my team. He was an American the size of a house, and I told a mate in the squad:

    Something serious is gonna happen. I just feel it.”

    ‘Onyewu resembled a heavyweight boxer.

    He was nearly 6ft 5in and weighed over 15 stone, but he couldn’t handle me. He accused me of trash talking, but that wasn’t true.

    People trash talk me. I’ve heard so much s**t over the years: ‘F****** gypsy’, stuff about my mum — all that stuff.

    I retaliate with my body, not with words.”

    “I told Onyewu I did not trash talk, but he just kept on. He shushed me with his finger.
    Then he did it again. I saw red. I didn’t say anything, not a word.

    That b****** was going to find out how I trash-talk!
    The next time he got the ball in training; I rushed towards him and jumped up with my feet and studs out in front — the worst type of tackle.”

    “But he saw me and leapt out of the way. As we both crashed to the ground, my first thought was: ‘S**t! I’ve missed!’ As I got up and walked away I felt a blow to my shoulder.

    Not a good idea, Oguchi Onyewu.”

    “I headbutted him, and we flew at each other. We wanted to tear each other limb from limb. It was brutal. We were rolling around, punching and kneeing each other.

    We were crazy and furious — it was like life and death.”

    “Afterwards, the weirdest thing happened. Onyewu started praying to God with tears in his eyes, making the sign of the cross. This felt like a provocation, and I got more furious.

    I was stopped by my team-mates, and I suppose that was a good thing.

    It could have turned out nasty. All the time, I was thinking: ‘S***, my chest hurts,’ so we had it checked out. I’d broken a rib in the fight.”

    ‘It was not the first time I’d had a dispute with a team-mate.’

    (...)

    https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/when-oguchi-onyewu-broke-zlatan-ibrahimovic-rib-fight

    http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2010/11/05/2200429/fight-between-zlatan-ibrahimovic-and-oguchi-onyewu-forces

     

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Cowboy shaw
    @Steve Sailer

    England has a massive class division. Almost no middle class players are ever in the England team. This is not very well understood outside the UK. I remember explaining rugby once to the football correspondent of Denmarks largest newspaper. He was based in London but was under the impression that rugby was about the same size as underwater water polo. The British middle classes play and follow a myriad of other sports too. Quite successfully as well as can be seen by their recent Olympic results. In football they're competing with essentially one arm tied behind their back.

    Replies: @penskefile

    , @Englishman Abroad
    @Steve Sailer

    The Italian and Spanish teams are still almost entirely native, pretty much uniquely among the top European teams. In Italy in particular, there is still strong popular sentiment against darker-skinned players in the national team, echoing "swarthy-looking" South Americans' desire to differentiate themselves from their full-African-ancestry compatriots. Mario Balotelli, Italian-born son of Ghanian immigrants to Sicily, was particularly reviled. Despite being adopted at a young-ish age and taking on the name of his adopted parents, his appearances in the blue of Italy were invariably greeted by the chant "Non ci sono neri Italiani!" - There are no black Italians!

    Of course, a lot of the hate for Balotelli was because despite being hugely impressive physically (and even technically), he was very poor tactically, which is perhaps the most important factor in the Italian game, where tactically aware players can keep going 10 years after they'd have to retire in the English league. I suspect that a lot of this is because in Italy, soccer is pretty middle-class game, with managers expected to complete the equivalent of a master's degree in the theory of the sport at the national HQ, while in the English Premier, football is a working-class game (well-to-do people preferring rugby and cricket) featuring managers of multi-million clubs who are quite spectacularly stupid and inarticulate. The Italian game is very demanding tactically and extremely prefectionist; players are expected to last whole games making no errors whatsoever of the kind that everyone does 20 times per game in England, and to fit seamlessly and selflessly into the team's pattern of play. Balotelli, however, conformed to certain popular beliefs about African sportspeople...

    African teams have always punched significantly below their weight at the World Cup due to their being hopeless tactically, never really displaying a "team vision", despite the wealth of talent at their disposal. Well, the Word Cup has given up even the pretense of being about anything other than making money, crowbarring in African and Asian teams who, 99/100 times, would lose to Italy and the Netherlands, who didn't make it through the far more competitive European qualifying stage.

    Replies: @Cowboy shaw

  35. @Carbon blob
    @Dave Pinsen

    France has never cared all that much about developing the game domestically though. French clubs have won the European Cup/Champions League once, same number of times as Scotland and Romania.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    Give Guingamp time. After all, with 7,000 inhabitants, they’re half the size of Foxborough.

    Also, the nightlife in Breton villages leaves something to be desired. This retards the recruitment of players, but does wonders for their concentration once they sign on.

  36. @Matthew McConnagay
    Soccer is also a much more fluid and changeable game, so the players have to be capable of adapting to circumstance and improvising their tactics. There's no coach lining them all up and telling them to run Play #419: soccer must therefore place a higher demand on the cognition and teamwork of the players.

    (Insulting blacks and Americans in one smooth stroke!)

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Anonymous

    Same with hockey, only more so. And hockey is, PK Subban notwithstanding, is white white white.

    • Replies: @meh
    @Ganderson


    Same with hockey, only more so. And hockey is, PK Subban notwithstanding, is white white white.
     
    You missed the point.

    Ice hockey has unlimited subsitution. Players can come off the ice and rest. The coach thus has lots of opportunities to tell players how to adjust their tactics. And the coach can adjust the lineup of the players on the ice in real time, to effect his adjustment in tactics, i.e., he can play a particular combination of players to suit a particular tactical situation.

    In association football, you only have three substitutions and a player can't come back on after being taken off. The coach isn't supposed to "coach" the players from the sidelines; this doesn't in practice prevent him from shouting at his players, but in practice the coach has very little influence once play starts. Players really do have to figure things out and adjust their tactics themselves, and not rely on coaches to make decisions for them.

    Totally different situation from ice hockey.

    Ice hockey is a white sport because it isn't played amongst non-whites for various reasons, partly due to the fact that it is an expensive sport and most public schools in non-white communities don't pay for ice hockey teams like they are willing to pay for basketball and gridiron football teams (the cost of gridiron equipment and facilities in particular is not inconsequential). And non-white parents are very unlikely to pay for private youth ice hockey for their children.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  37. I’ve spent some time in the Parisian banlieus. Wandering around, I had to dispense a lot of American cigarettes 😉 It wasn’t unusual to be the only white dude at a bus or train station. And it made me ask, sometimes, “where are the French?” This question was not well received 😉

    Brazil is different.

  38. @Hail
    France national team for 2018
    (Years of birth range from 1985 to 1998)

    Goalkeepers [Whites at 1.0/3.0]
    - Hugo Lloris (White European, all French origin?)
    - Steve Mandanda (Black; born in Congo)
    - Alphonse Areola (Filipino parents; born in Paris)

    Defenders [Whites at 2.5/8.0]
    - Benjamin Pavard (White European; born to local family near Belgian border)
    - Presnel Kimpembe (Black; half-Congolese, half-Haitian
    - Raphaël Varane (half-White, half-Black [Martinique])
    - Samuel Umtiti (Black; born in Cameroon)
    - Adil Rami (Moroccan parents; born in Corsica)
    - Djibril Sidibé (Black; Malian ancestry)
    - Lucas Hernández (White European, French and Spanish origin?)
    - Benjamin Mendy (Black; Senegalese ancestry; born in France)

    Midfielders [Whites at 1.0/6.0]
    - Paul Pogba (Black and Muslim; Guinean parents, born in Paris suburb)
    - Thomas Lemar (Black; born in Guadeloupe)
    - Corentin Tolisso (half-Black [father from Togo], half-White; born in France)
    - N'Golo Kanté (Black; parents emigrated from Mali in 1980; born/raised in Paris suburb)
    - Blaise Matuidi (Black; Angolan ancestry; parents refugees from Angolan Civil War; born Tolouse)
    - Steven Nzonzi (half-Black [Congo], half-White; born/raised in Paris suburb)

    Strikers [Whites at 3.0/6.0]
    - Antoine Griezmann (full European; French, German, Portuguese ancestry; born in central France)
    - Olivier Giroud (full European; part Italian through both grandmothers)
    - Kylian Mbappé (half-Black [Cameroon], half-Algerian [mother]; b. Paris; youngest player on squad [b. Dec. 1998])
    - Ousmane Dembélé (Black; Mauritian, Senegalese, Malian ancestry)
    - Nabil Fekir (both parents of Algerian origin; born in Lyon)
    - Florian Thauvin (full European; born in Lyon)

    _______________________________

    Totals for the France-2018 squad are:
    -- European ancestry at 33% [ 7.5/23.0].
    -- Subsaharan African ancestry at 52% [at 12.0/23.0].

    Even this seems to be a good deal Whiter of a team than some recent ones. I believe Jean-Marie Le Pen was threatened with race-hate prosecution over saying one of the previous national teams did not represent France; at that time it was something down closer to a 10%-White share.

    Note: The comparable figure for Germany-2018 (incoming champions) is: 85% European, 4% Subsaharan (two half-Blacks), 11% Muslim (two Turks and a half-Tunisian [Khedira]).

    Replies: @prosa123, @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @baked georgia

    Alphonse Areola

    Laurent Labia
    Pierre Pubis-Mons
    Valérie Giscard d’Vulva
    Clovis Clitoralhood

    • LOL: snorlax
    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Lot

    Les Bien
    Uri Favre
    Willy Petit
    Thib Lacoque
    Jacques Auve
    Ruben Vaganay

  39. @Arclight
    Trading away a centuries-old interesting and inventive culture for higher quality soccer players seems like a bad deal to me.

    I doubt the soldiers who fought and died to defend and ultimately liberate Western Europe in the middle of last century would have been willing to do so for the Europe that will exist by the middle of this one.

    Replies: @istevefan, @AnotherDad, @Nigerian Nationalist

    I doubt the soldiers who fought and died to defend and ultimately liberate Western Europe in the middle of last century would have been willing to do so for the Europe that will exist by the middle of this one.

    Practically no one who showed up to fight for the West would have done so, if they knew how their nations were going to be sold down the river by their “leaders”.

    When my kids were growing up–at the appropriate time–we watched several Hollyweird (and British) movies about the War. Wouldn’t bother doing that if I was doing it now. Turned out it wasn’t saving civilization from savages, it was setting up the West to be sold out and expunged. Hate to say it–and of course as a boomer I wouldn’t, my kids wouldn’t, be here in an alternate history–but Western European peoples would have actually been better off losing or certainly taking the negotiated peace.

    What’s being done now is flat out the destruction of the greatest people and civilization the world ever seen. So anything short of that–even rule by Nazi puppet thugs–would actually be better.

    For Russia and the East though the math is different. The Soviet occupation seems to have provided some sort of–somewhat–prophylactic effect on “American” minoritarian ideology and those nations may yet–I hope!–survive. While their future under the Nazis would have been bleak.

    Note–i’m not trying to peddle black pills here. I hope that–any day now–will have an uprising, say Norwegians pouring out of the north woods, dishing out some street justice on the traitors and the beginning of the end of “the end of the West”. But i’m not holding my breath.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @AnotherDad


    When my kids were growing up–at the appropriate time–we watched several Hollyweird (and British) movies about the War. Wouldn’t bother doing that if I was doing it now.
     
    As a kid I could not get enough WW2 documentaries like The World at War, GI Diary, Victory at Sea and the many movies made about it. I built model airplanes out the wazoo. But now I can't bring myself to watch any of it.

    I can't bring myself to say that the wrong side won, at least in WW2. But I have now taken William Lind's position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Whiskey, @syonredux, @AnotherDad, @LondonBob, @MBlanc46

  40. @gregor
    When did people start thinking that living in a city is inherently disadvantageous? According to the google n-gram, people didn’t really start saying “inner city” until the 60s.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @anonymous coward

    Most of history. You lived in a city or village to take cover behind the walls, not because you wanted to live cheek by jowl. If you were rich enough, you built a house outside the city and lived there. The inconvenience of traveling into the city was worth it, since it reduced your chances of dying from disease.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Redneck farmer

    Is it the case that elites saw the modern well-packed metropolis as necessitated by industrialization, but just as they were coming to grips with hamster-housing, that same industrialization enabled commuting?

  41. @Anonymous
    One thing that I have observed is that White Girls can do anything to get a Black Athlete's love and attention. They are Strong, Masculine, Manly and Tall. I have seen a lot of White Woman having children with Rich Blacks from Sub Saharan Africa and this thing is also happening in Ivy league colleges. White “man” cannot compete with Black Men or other Men of Color in the sexual marketplace. Men of Color are strong and athletic and have fought their whole lives while White men are weak dull effeminate clumsy and play video games Is it any wonder that white girls crave Black Men?
    Moreover, Miscegenation is wayy more common than what statistics tell you about it. White Men are losing White Woman. I can count on hand White Men with Non White women. But, White Woman are a class apart, they love to have mixed babies in their wombs it seems.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Buck Turgidson, @bomag, @Tiny Duck, @Forbes, @anon, @Mike Tre, @MBlanc46

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Doesn't change the fact that White Race will be bred out in next 80 to 100 years.

    Replies: @Pumblechook, @Dave Pinsen

    , @Clyde
    @Dave Pinsen

    From your link-
    But it’s not all sunshine and babies. (for this free wheeling sperm donor)
    The first five women he worked with successfully sued him for child support, and nearly half of his paycheck is garnished for his offspring.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Our society is falling apart because of people like this guy and the women he "helped out". They are no different from animals, like a lion with his den of lioness. The degeneracy encouraged by liberalism is what's killing the west.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  42. @Stan d Mute
    @istevefan

    And yet that’s the very same generation that started the train wreck.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @istevefan, @Matra

    And yet that’s the very same generation that started the train wreck.

    Because they insisted the welfare state was in their interests. They didn’t consider that they themselves weren’t in the welfare state’s interest.

    Be careful what you ask for…

  43. istevefan says:
    @Stan d Mute
    @istevefan

    And yet that’s the very same generation that started the train wreck.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @istevefan, @Matra

    And yet that’s the very same generation that started the train wreck.

    Was it? Emanuel Celler was born in 1888. Jacob Javitts was born in 1904. LBJ was born in 1908. Harry Truman was born in 1884. These guys and many of the political leaders of the 40s, 50s and 60s were definitely in the prior generation to the so called greatest generation.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @istevefan


    Was it? Emanuel Celler was born in 1888. Jacob Javitts was born in 1904. LBJ was born in 1908. Harry Truman was born in 1884. These guys and many of the political leaders of the 40s, 50s and 60s were definitely in the prior generation to the so called greatest generation.
     
    Lyndon Johnson is solidly "Greatest Generation" (or "G.I. generation"). He's just a bit earlier than guys like Reagan (1911), Nixon and Ford (1913), Kennedy (1917). Carter and Bush (1924) are really at the tail end the last few cohorts to serve in the War. Greatest generation as well are guys like Phillip Hart--Celler's co-traitor on the Senate side, or Ed Heath who sacked Powell.

    But yeah, the treason in the Anglo-Sphere definitely has roots that slither back past the G.I. generation to the 19th century born "Lost Generation". Those folks were leaders in the immediate post-War period and let this treason start to take root. Some complacently out of broadmindedness and give-no-offense-ness, some, like Celler, maliciously out of ethnic agenda/score settling.

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

  44. Here’s Forbes‘ list of the 20 highest paid soccer players of 2017

    Europeans actually go out and root for this crap?

    Even the Europeans, aren’t even from your nation, much less your city. In that sense it’s even worse than American football.

    You’d think some club owners would figure out they’d get some serious fan loyalty by sticking with players from their own nations–and especially local boys made good–who would have homes, wives, kids their in town.

    But i guess the American example–white folks rooting for these black atheletes recruited from around the nation with no connection to their town–pretty much answers my question. Bread and circuses. People–at least white people–will cheer for anyone.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    You’d think some club owners would figure out they’d get some serious fan loyalty by sticking with players from their own nations–and especially local boys made good–who would have homes, wives, kids their in town.

     

    The European clubs are actual clubs, rooted in their cities. At the lower, youth levels, and in "minor" sports like basketball and handball, they mostly consist of locals.

    It's only in the top division or two where they internationalize-- because they have to to get there. Or so they think.
    , @Matra
    @AnotherDad

    There's some difference between cheering for your club and your country. With the former all that matters is winning, with the latter the fans do (I think) prefer cheering for their own kind even if they aren't that good. At least that is the case in the smaller countries.

    , @Sam
    @AnotherDad

    Football/soccer actually does favour national players. The most beloved side of the last 10 years was Barcelona which relied on Spanish and especially Catalan players, most of whom were developed at the club since they were young teens. Another team in Spain, Athletic Bilbao, has always had a policy of only using Basque players which is a tremendous achievement since they have been one of the most successful clubs in Spain.

    Having players from your own city and youth department is strongly favored in football by all. The European football organisation(UEFA) has rules in place so clubs have to have a certain amount of youth players in the squad.
    Granted, globalization has made its way into football as well. Italy banned all foreigners after a humiliating World Cup run and there used to be strong limits on foreigners but the EU rules of free movement was eventually enforced by law on football in the late 90’s. However the grim prediction of complete internationalization never happened either. England has tended to be the worst offender as you would expect but that is also due to them not being able to produce many great talents in the last 15 years.

    , @Escher
    @AnotherDad

    European football clubs (especially the English Premier League) have a huge fan following in Asian cities like Hong Kong and Singapore.

  45. istevefan says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    I doubt the soldiers who fought and died to defend and ultimately liberate Western Europe in the middle of last century would have been willing to do so for the Europe that will exist by the middle of this one.
     
    Practically no one who showed up to fight for the West would have done so, if they knew how their nations were going to be sold down the river by their "leaders".

    When my kids were growing up--at the appropriate time--we watched several Hollyweird (and British) movies about the War. Wouldn't bother doing that if I was doing it now. Turned out it wasn't saving civilization from savages, it was setting up the West to be sold out and expunged. Hate to say it--and of course as a boomer I wouldn't, my kids wouldn't, be here in an alternate history--but Western European peoples would have actually been better off losing or certainly taking the negotiated peace.

    What's being done now is flat out the destruction of the greatest people and civilization the world ever seen. So anything short of that--even rule by Nazi puppet thugs--would actually be better.

    For Russia and the East though the math is different. The Soviet occupation seems to have provided some sort of--somewhat--prophylactic effect on "American" minoritarian ideology and those nations may yet--I hope!--survive. While their future under the Nazis would have been bleak.

    Note--i'm not trying to peddle black pills here. I hope that--any day now--will have an uprising, say Norwegians pouring out of the north woods, dishing out some street justice on the traitors and the beginning of the end of "the end of the West". But i'm not holding my breath.

    Replies: @istevefan

    When my kids were growing up–at the appropriate time–we watched several Hollyweird (and British) movies about the War. Wouldn’t bother doing that if I was doing it now.

    As a kid I could not get enough WW2 documentaries like The World at War, GI Diary, Victory at Sea and the many movies made about it. I built model airplanes out the wazoo. But now I can’t bring myself to watch any of it.

    I can’t bring myself to say that the wrong side won, at least in WW2. But I have now taken William Lind’s position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @istevefan


    I can’t bring myself to say that the wrong side won, at least in WW2. But I have now taken William Lind’s position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.
     
    At the time, it seemed clear cut. The West--despite the British and Soviets--was actually the nationalist side. We were saving the world from German--and if anything even more beastly--Japanese imperialists who seemed bent on turning nation upon nation into slave labor camps. A step backwards even from Britsh imperialism, or our own hideous behavior in the Philippines.

    And immediately after, while Eastern Europe had to suffer Russian imperialism, the American system--independent nations, open trade--was actually a huge positive upgrade from British/French colonialism which finally collapsed allowing people to regain or build new nations. (Even where not real nations, at least have people of their race/culture govern themselves.) And in Europe people were more or less finally sorted into their correct coherent nations.

    Then ... Americans lost control of America. Elites across the West were propagandized with "lessons of the War", anti-"racism", holocaustia, multiculturalism--anti-nationalist globalism. What had been a great victory for nations, national diversity and peace, turned into a sour, hideous, bullying globalism; multiculralism jammed into everyone's face; a future of endless chaffing and strife in everyday life and finally an explicit agenda of extinction of the West and white people.

    Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.
    , @Whiskey
    @istevefan

    It would not have mattered or changed much. The pill, condom, anonymous urban living and female driven mass media consumerism would have worked its poison regardless. If either German won.

    Give the Russians twenty years of consumerism and they will be as Pussy Riot pozzed as us.

    , @syonredux
    @istevefan


    But I have now taken William Lind’s position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.
     
    Doubtful:

    The Septemberprogramm was a list of goals for Germany to achieve in the war.

    France should cede some northern territory, such as the iron-ore mines at Briey and a coastal strip running from Dunkirk to Boulogne-sur-Mer, to Belgium or Germany.
    France should pay a war indemnity of 10 billion German Marks, with further payments to cover veterans' funds and to pay off all of Germany's existing national debt. This would prevent French rearmament, make the French economy dependent on Germany, and end trade between France and the British Empire.
    France will partially disarm by demolishing its northern forts.
    Belgium should be annexed to Germany or, preferably, become a "vassal state", which should cede eastern parts and possibly Antwerp to Germany and give Germany military and naval bases.
    Luxembourg should become a member state of the German Empire.
    Buffer states would be created in territory carved out of the western Russian Empire, such as Poland, which would remain under German sovereignty "for all time".[4]
    Germany would create a Mitteleuropa economic association, ostensibly egalitarian but actually dominated by Germany. Members would include the new buffer states.
    The German colonial empire would be expanded. The German possessions in Africa would be enlarged into a contiguous German colony across central Africa (Mittelafrika) at the expense of the French and Belgian colonies. Presumably to leave open future negotiations with Britain, no British colonies were to be taken, but Britain's "intolerable hegemony" in world affairs was to end.
    The Netherlands should be brought into a closer relationship to Germany while avoiding any appearance of coercion.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septemberprogramm

    Replies: @anon

    , @AnotherDad
    @istevefan


    But I have now taken William Lind’s position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.
     
    As far as i can tell, there were no good sides in the Great War.

    A rising Germany had every reason to be dissatisfied with the global order, with much of the world tied up economically by British and French imperialism. However, they offered no decent alternative, only more of the same--except substituting German colonialism and domination.

    The real alternative would have been decolonization, nationalism, open trade--essentially the American system after WWII.

    Better US leadership, that really worked hard to stop the conflict from esculating and then to end in on fair terms with ideas along the lines of some of Wilson's 14 points would have--perhaps--been helpful.

    But basically we needed much better, more foresighted European leadership across the board. 1914 was the year it all went to hell for the West. We've never recovered, and now--baring a serious recovery of manly fighting spirit by white men--it looks like the end of the West is upon us.

    Replies: @Ali Choudhury

    , @LondonBob
    @istevefan

    World at War is a classic, Laurence Olivier narrating. I still find it strange to watch Albert Speer reminiscing about his time in the bunker.

    , @MBlanc46
    @istevefan

    The right side won. Then p*ssed away their victory.

  46. @Dmitry
    They released the official world cup song for Russia 2018 in three languages: English, Spanish and Russian. Too easy, I can understand all the languages already.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGkWDrNNls

    Replies: @Kibernetika

    Без каментов! Why are they surrendering so easily 😉

  47. @AnotherDad

    Here’s Forbes‘ list of the 20 highest paid soccer players of 2017
     
    Europeans actually go out and root for this crap?

    Even the Europeans, aren't even from your nation, much less your city. In that sense it's even worse than American football.

    You'd think some club owners would figure out they'd get some serious fan loyalty by sticking with players from their own nations--and especially local boys made good--who would have homes, wives, kids their in town.

    But i guess the American example--white folks rooting for these black atheletes recruited from around the nation with no connection to their town--pretty much answers my question. Bread and circuses. People--at least white people--will cheer for anyone.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Matra, @Sam, @Escher

    You’d think some club owners would figure out they’d get some serious fan loyalty by sticking with players from their own nations–and especially local boys made good–who would have homes, wives, kids their in town.

    The European clubs are actual clubs, rooted in their cities. At the lower, youth levels, and in “minor” sports like basketball and handball, they mostly consist of locals.

    It’s only in the top division or two where they internationalize– because they have to to get there. Or so they think.

  48. Anonymous [AKA "A Multi Racial Individual"] says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    I'll just leave this here: https://nypost.com/2016/06/12/professor-who-donates-sperm-in-city-bathrooms-has-sired-22-kids/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Clyde, @anon

    Doesn’t change the fact that White Race will be bred out in next 80 to 100 years.

    • Replies: @Pumblechook
    @Anonymous

    Absolutely no doubt that Euro descendants are suffering from lowish birth rates but the picture is nowhere near as bleak as some like to believe.

    When one gathers all the births of Europeans worldwide annually (including Australia, USA etc), the figure is approx. 11 million, which produces almost a billion of us over the long term.

    Arabs in comparison have around 7 million each year and certainly no-one talks about them disappearing.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    As long as certain phenotypes are prized, they will continue to exist. Hence, there are still whites in Mexico, for example, after 500 years of mixing.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Dave Pinsen

  49. @Anonymous
    One thing that I have observed is that White Girls can do anything to get a Black Athlete's love and attention. They are Strong, Masculine, Manly and Tall. I have seen a lot of White Woman having children with Rich Blacks from Sub Saharan Africa and this thing is also happening in Ivy league colleges. White “man” cannot compete with Black Men or other Men of Color in the sexual marketplace. Men of Color are strong and athletic and have fought their whole lives while White men are weak dull effeminate clumsy and play video games Is it any wonder that white girls crave Black Men?
    Moreover, Miscegenation is wayy more common than what statistics tell you about it. White Men are losing White Woman. I can count on hand White Men with Non White women. But, White Woman are a class apart, they love to have mixed babies in their wombs it seems.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Buck Turgidson, @bomag, @Tiny Duck, @Forbes, @anon, @Mike Tre, @MBlanc46

    You’re doing it too brown. I know plenty of white women who find blacks kind of repulsive.

  50. @songbird
    Anyone seen the rainbow colors on some of the teams' jersey numbers? It is truly bizarre to see a global homosexual sign marked on national uniforms, and in a men's sport.

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Tyrion 2, @Reg Cæsar, @stillCARealist

    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.
     
    Soccer seems to reward dramatic flopping and pretending to be hurt from a little shouldering or ankle tripping....

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale, @anon, @sb

    , @LondonBob
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    No sport goes together with gayness, they just aren't interested.

    Replies: @Flip, @snorlax

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.
     
    When relegation and promotion come to the NFL, as well as a prohibition of "time outs" and reentry from the bench, then we can talk about which sport is manlier.
  51. @istevefan
    @Stan d Mute


    And yet that’s the very same generation that started the train wreck.
     
    Was it? Emanuel Celler was born in 1888. Jacob Javitts was born in 1904. LBJ was born in 1908. Harry Truman was born in 1884. These guys and many of the political leaders of the 40s, 50s and 60s were definitely in the prior generation to the so called greatest generation.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Was it? Emanuel Celler was born in 1888. Jacob Javitts was born in 1904. LBJ was born in 1908. Harry Truman was born in 1884. These guys and many of the political leaders of the 40s, 50s and 60s were definitely in the prior generation to the so called greatest generation.

    Lyndon Johnson is solidly “Greatest Generation” (or “G.I. generation”). He’s just a bit earlier than guys like Reagan (1911), Nixon and Ford (1913), Kennedy (1917). Carter and Bush (1924) are really at the tail end the last few cohorts to serve in the War. Greatest generation as well are guys like Phillip Hart–Celler’s co-traitor on the Senate side, or Ed Heath who sacked Powell.

    But yeah, the treason in the Anglo-Sphere definitely has roots that slither back past the G.I. generation to the 19th century born “Lost Generation”. Those folks were leaders in the immediate post-War period and let this treason start to take root. Some complacently out of broadmindedness and give-no-offense-ness, some, like Celler, maliciously out of ethnic agenda/score settling.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @AnotherDad

    Except the course of national dispossession wasn't set in the 1960s. The 1965 Hart-Cellar Act tightened up Latin American immigration and slightly loosened Asian immigration while leaving total numbers alone.

    Perhaps you've noticed where most of the third world immigration to the US came from in the 1965-1990 period; it wasn't China.

    The displacement of destruction of the western nations really didn't start until the 1980s. The amnesty of 1986 and the massive Reagan-Bush immigration expansion raised immigration from a bit over 2-400k to 1.5+MM mainly with the 1990 immigration law.

    So let's blame the generation that deserves it: It was the Greatests and the Boomers that loved Reagan and Bush. Those are the ones that sold out America. Despise them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @istevefan

  52. @AnotherDad
    @istevefan


    Was it? Emanuel Celler was born in 1888. Jacob Javitts was born in 1904. LBJ was born in 1908. Harry Truman was born in 1884. These guys and many of the political leaders of the 40s, 50s and 60s were definitely in the prior generation to the so called greatest generation.
     
    Lyndon Johnson is solidly "Greatest Generation" (or "G.I. generation"). He's just a bit earlier than guys like Reagan (1911), Nixon and Ford (1913), Kennedy (1917). Carter and Bush (1924) are really at the tail end the last few cohorts to serve in the War. Greatest generation as well are guys like Phillip Hart--Celler's co-traitor on the Senate side, or Ed Heath who sacked Powell.

    But yeah, the treason in the Anglo-Sphere definitely has roots that slither back past the G.I. generation to the 19th century born "Lost Generation". Those folks were leaders in the immediate post-War period and let this treason start to take root. Some complacently out of broadmindedness and give-no-offense-ness, some, like Celler, maliciously out of ethnic agenda/score settling.

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    Except the course of national dispossession wasn’t set in the 1960s. The 1965 Hart-Cellar Act tightened up Latin American immigration and slightly loosened Asian immigration while leaving total numbers alone.

    Perhaps you’ve noticed where most of the third world immigration to the US came from in the 1965-1990 period; it wasn’t China.

    The displacement of destruction of the western nations really didn’t start until the 1980s. The amnesty of 1986 and the massive Reagan-Bush immigration expansion raised immigration from a bit over 2-400k to 1.5+MM mainly with the 1990 immigration law.

    So let’s blame the generation that deserves it: It was the Greatests and the Boomers that loved Reagan and Bush. Those are the ones that sold out America. Despise them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @(((Owen)))

    "The displacement of destruction"

    ?

    , @istevefan
    @(((Owen)))


    Except the course of national dispossession wasn’t set in the 1960s. The 1965 Hart-Cellar Act tightened up Latin American immigration and slightly loosened Asian immigration while leaving total numbers alone.

     

    The 1965 Immigration Act established that the USA no longer considered itself a white or European nation. That was significant. That was huge. That laid the foundation for everything else that followed. Prior to this we had had naturalization laws that limited naturalization to free whites. We had to modify them after the Civil War because of the poison pill we inherited.

    Up to that point in our history we had implemented various policies to curb any intrusions from non Europeans. We also had no qualms about rounding up border crossers and deporting them, e.g. Operation Wetback.

    We even tried to fine tune immigration to prioritize NW Europeans over other Europeans, e.g. 1924.

    So don't try to dismiss the 1965 act because it did not immediately blow the doors off immigration. Similar to Australia abandoning the "White Australia" policy, the 1965 act abandoned any notion of a "White America" and paved the way for the other acts to follow.

    It's sort of like gay marriage did not directly lead to trannies in the bathroom. But after gay marriage was established, it wasn't a stretch to see it leading to the tranny issue. Even Sailer predicted WWT as the logical successor to WWG.

    The 1965 act was the crack in the door that allowed the other follow on acts to kick that door open.

    Replies: @Anon

  53. @Redneck farmer
    @gregor

    Most of history. You lived in a city or village to take cover behind the walls, not because you wanted to live cheek by jowl. If you were rich enough, you built a house outside the city and lived there. The inconvenience of traveling into the city was worth it, since it reduced your chances of dying from disease.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Is it the case that elites saw the modern well-packed metropolis as necessitated by industrialization, but just as they were coming to grips with hamster-housing, that same industrialization enabled commuting?

  54. @istevefan
    @AnotherDad


    When my kids were growing up–at the appropriate time–we watched several Hollyweird (and British) movies about the War. Wouldn’t bother doing that if I was doing it now.
     
    As a kid I could not get enough WW2 documentaries like The World at War, GI Diary, Victory at Sea and the many movies made about it. I built model airplanes out the wazoo. But now I can't bring myself to watch any of it.

    I can't bring myself to say that the wrong side won, at least in WW2. But I have now taken William Lind's position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Whiskey, @syonredux, @AnotherDad, @LondonBob, @MBlanc46

    I can’t bring myself to say that the wrong side won, at least in WW2. But I have now taken William Lind’s position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.

    At the time, it seemed clear cut. The West–despite the British and Soviets–was actually the nationalist side. We were saving the world from German–and if anything even more beastly–Japanese imperialists who seemed bent on turning nation upon nation into slave labor camps. A step backwards even from Britsh imperialism, or our own hideous behavior in the Philippines.

    And immediately after, while Eastern Europe had to suffer Russian imperialism, the American system–independent nations, open trade–was actually a huge positive upgrade from British/French colonialism which finally collapsed allowing people to regain or build new nations. (Even where not real nations, at least have people of their race/culture govern themselves.) And in Europe people were more or less finally sorted into their correct coherent nations.

    Then … Americans lost control of America. Elites across the West were propagandized with “lessons of the War”, anti-“racism”, holocaustia, multiculturalism–anti-nationalist globalism. What had been a great victory for nations, national diversity and peace, turned into a sour, hideous, bullying globalism; multiculralism jammed into everyone’s face; a future of endless chaffing and strife in everyday life and finally an explicit agenda of extinction of the West and white people.

    Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

  55. I don’t think poor black kids are the major talent pool for professional sports any more.

    From 1960 to 1990, nearly half of blacks were born to unmarried parents. I would estimate that during this period roughly twice as many black N.B.A. players were born to married parents as unmarried parents. In other words, for every LeBron James, there was a Michael Jordan, born to a middle-class, two-parent family in Brooklyn, and a Chris Paul, the second son of middle-class parents in Lewisville, N.C….

    These results push back against the stereotype of a basketball player driven by an intense desire to escape poverty. In “The Last Shot,” Darcy Frey quotes a college coach questioning whether a suburban player was “hungry enough” to compete against black kids from the ghetto. But the data suggest that on average any motivational edge in hungriness is far outweighed by the advantages of kids from higher socioeconomic classes.

    What are these advantages? The first is in developing what economists call noncognitive skills like persistence, self-regulation and trust. We have grown accustomed to hearing about the importance of these qualities for success in school, but players in team sports rely on many of the same skills.

    The second relevant advantage of a relatively prosperous upbringing is height. The economist Robert W. Fogel has demonstrated the impact of improved early life nutrition on adult height over successive generations… [R]ecent research has found that poverty in modern America inhibits height. In basketball, the importance of every inch is enormous. I estimate that each additional inch almost doubles your chances of making the N.B.A.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/opinion/sunday/in-the-nba-zip-code-matters.html

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Anon7

    At the top of the Patriots' draft mantra: players from two-parent families.

  56. @Stan d Mute
    @istevefan

    And yet that’s the very same generation that started the train wreck.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @istevefan, @Matra

    Britain remained overwhelmingly British right up until the late 90s, and, no, Blair’s immigration policies were not the inevitable result of Dunkirk as so many black-pilled right wingers would have us believe. Those who grew up in the decades after WW2 had the opportunity to have better lives than previous generations and for the most part did so. It’s unlikely that life under German hegemony, particularly in the 40s and 50s, when the Nazis might’ve still been around, would’ve been anything to write home about. To think Europe’s condition would’ve been any better than it is today is just rose-coloured counterfactual history and a form of escapism, sadly typical of failed reactionaries in general – paleos going on about the Civi…oops, sorry, War Between the States and Catholic Hrxers blaming the Reformation also come to mind.

    • Replies: @The Man From K Street
    @Matra

    "Hrxers"?

  57. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail
    France national team for 2018
    (Years of birth range from 1985 to 1998)

    Goalkeepers [Whites at 1.0/3.0]
    - Hugo Lloris (White European, all French origin?)
    - Steve Mandanda (Black; born in Congo)
    - Alphonse Areola (Filipino parents; born in Paris)

    Defenders [Whites at 2.5/8.0]
    - Benjamin Pavard (White European; born to local family near Belgian border)
    - Presnel Kimpembe (Black; half-Congolese, half-Haitian
    - Raphaël Varane (half-White, half-Black [Martinique])
    - Samuel Umtiti (Black; born in Cameroon)
    - Adil Rami (Moroccan parents; born in Corsica)
    - Djibril Sidibé (Black; Malian ancestry)
    - Lucas Hernández (White European, French and Spanish origin?)
    - Benjamin Mendy (Black; Senegalese ancestry; born in France)

    Midfielders [Whites at 1.0/6.0]
    - Paul Pogba (Black and Muslim; Guinean parents, born in Paris suburb)
    - Thomas Lemar (Black; born in Guadeloupe)
    - Corentin Tolisso (half-Black [father from Togo], half-White; born in France)
    - N'Golo Kanté (Black; parents emigrated from Mali in 1980; born/raised in Paris suburb)
    - Blaise Matuidi (Black; Angolan ancestry; parents refugees from Angolan Civil War; born Tolouse)
    - Steven Nzonzi (half-Black [Congo], half-White; born/raised in Paris suburb)

    Strikers [Whites at 3.0/6.0]
    - Antoine Griezmann (full European; French, German, Portuguese ancestry; born in central France)
    - Olivier Giroud (full European; part Italian through both grandmothers)
    - Kylian Mbappé (half-Black [Cameroon], half-Algerian [mother]; b. Paris; youngest player on squad [b. Dec. 1998])
    - Ousmane Dembélé (Black; Mauritian, Senegalese, Malian ancestry)
    - Nabil Fekir (both parents of Algerian origin; born in Lyon)
    - Florian Thauvin (full European; born in Lyon)

    _______________________________

    Totals for the France-2018 squad are:
    -- European ancestry at 33% [ 7.5/23.0].
    -- Subsaharan African ancestry at 52% [at 12.0/23.0].

    Even this seems to be a good deal Whiter of a team than some recent ones. I believe Jean-Marie Le Pen was threatened with race-hate prosecution over saying one of the previous national teams did not represent France; at that time it was something down closer to a 10%-White share.

    Note: The comparable figure for Germany-2018 (incoming champions) is: 85% European, 4% Subsaharan (two half-Blacks), 11% Muslim (two Turks and a half-Tunisian [Khedira]).

    Replies: @prosa123, @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @baked georgia

    I can find only 6 Whites in your list, and only 2 Frenchmen.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Anonymous

    The list is an attempt at total ancestry-pool estimate for the team. Players with half-WhiteFrench origin are given 0.5 'White'.

    Is a racially European francophone with loyalty to and ties to France not French if some, most, or all of whose ancestors x generations ago were not living on the soil of France? This seems to stretch reason to a breaking point.

  58. @AnotherDad

    Here’s Forbes‘ list of the 20 highest paid soccer players of 2017
     
    Europeans actually go out and root for this crap?

    Even the Europeans, aren't even from your nation, much less your city. In that sense it's even worse than American football.

    You'd think some club owners would figure out they'd get some serious fan loyalty by sticking with players from their own nations--and especially local boys made good--who would have homes, wives, kids their in town.

    But i guess the American example--white folks rooting for these black atheletes recruited from around the nation with no connection to their town--pretty much answers my question. Bread and circuses. People--at least white people--will cheer for anyone.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Matra, @Sam, @Escher

    There’s some difference between cheering for your club and your country. With the former all that matters is winning, with the latter the fans do (I think) prefer cheering for their own kind even if they aren’t that good. At least that is the case in the smaller countries.

  59. @songbird
    It looked to me like the Saudi team had a few blacks. I thought they might be ringers, but didn't watch them play.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @syonredux

    There are lots of blacks in Saudi. They are there for the same reason there are blacks in the US.

  60. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michelle
    23and me informed me that I have an "Elite Athlete " gene. I am not surprised, because my mother was an extremely competitive athlete, playing, basketball, tennis and softball. I love to play tennis and soccer/football and basketball, however, I did not inherit a competitive gene and absolutely do not care if I win or lose. There are 2 elite athlete genes and I am missing one of them. I was always quite good at sports, having a very symmetrical body and being very coordinated, but I had zero drive or ambition.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    What sort of sporting abilities did you and your mother seem to be gifted in?

  61. utu says:

    But soccer has been very slow to adopt American kibbitzers’ suggestions to make changes to make the game more TV friendly, such as more time outs, and thus better suited to West African short-burst explosiveness, like basketball and American football.

    Very true. Good illustration was Nigeria-Denmark in 1998 World Cup when the team work and good tactics gave Danes 4:1 win.

  62. @songbird
    It looked to me like the Saudi team had a few blacks. I thought they might be ringers, but didn't watch them play.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @syonredux

    It looked to me like the Saudi team had a few blacks. I thought they might be ringers, but didn’t watch them play.

    Some Saudis have substantial amounts of Black ancestry…..

  63. @istevefan
    @AnotherDad


    When my kids were growing up–at the appropriate time–we watched several Hollyweird (and British) movies about the War. Wouldn’t bother doing that if I was doing it now.
     
    As a kid I could not get enough WW2 documentaries like The World at War, GI Diary, Victory at Sea and the many movies made about it. I built model airplanes out the wazoo. But now I can't bring myself to watch any of it.

    I can't bring myself to say that the wrong side won, at least in WW2. But I have now taken William Lind's position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Whiskey, @syonredux, @AnotherDad, @LondonBob, @MBlanc46

    It would not have mattered or changed much. The pill, condom, anonymous urban living and female driven mass media consumerism would have worked its poison regardless. If either German won.

    Give the Russians twenty years of consumerism and they will be as Pussy Riot pozzed as us.

  64. @istevefan
    @AnotherDad


    When my kids were growing up–at the appropriate time–we watched several Hollyweird (and British) movies about the War. Wouldn’t bother doing that if I was doing it now.
     
    As a kid I could not get enough WW2 documentaries like The World at War, GI Diary, Victory at Sea and the many movies made about it. I built model airplanes out the wazoo. But now I can't bring myself to watch any of it.

    I can't bring myself to say that the wrong side won, at least in WW2. But I have now taken William Lind's position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Whiskey, @syonredux, @AnotherDad, @LondonBob, @MBlanc46

    But I have now taken William Lind’s position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.

    Doubtful:

    The Septemberprogramm was a list of goals for Germany to achieve in the war.

    France should cede some northern territory, such as the iron-ore mines at Briey and a coastal strip running from Dunkirk to Boulogne-sur-Mer, to Belgium or Germany.
    France should pay a war indemnity of 10 billion German Marks, with further payments to cover veterans’ funds and to pay off all of Germany’s existing national debt. This would prevent French rearmament, make the French economy dependent on Germany, and end trade between France and the British Empire.
    France will partially disarm by demolishing its northern forts.
    Belgium should be annexed to Germany or, preferably, become a “vassal state”, which should cede eastern parts and possibly Antwerp to Germany and give Germany military and naval bases.
    Luxembourg should become a member state of the German Empire.
    Buffer states would be created in territory carved out of the western Russian Empire, such as Poland, which would remain under German sovereignty “for all time”.[4]
    Germany would create a Mitteleuropa economic association, ostensibly egalitarian but actually dominated by Germany. Members would include the new buffer states.
    The German colonial empire would be expanded. The German possessions in Africa would be enlarged into a contiguous German colony across central Africa (Mittelafrika) at the expense of the French and Belgian colonies. Presumably to leave open future negotiations with Britain, no British colonies were to be taken, but Britain’s “intolerable hegemony” in world affairs was to end.
    The Netherlands should be brought into a closer relationship to Germany while avoiding any appearance of coercion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septemberprogramm

    • Replies: @anon
    @syonredux

    Sounds like the EU.

    Replies: @syonredux

  65. @Steve Sailer
    @Hail

    The guy who scored the winning goal for Germany in the last World Cup looks kind of like Ryan Gosling and is a professor's son.

    Are there class differences in who plays soccer in different European countries? Soccer is quite middle class in the US, but very working class in some other countries.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @bored identity, @Cowboy shaw, @Englishman Abroad

    If you have to choose then it’s working class in most of Europe. The game is popular enough to attract most youngsters for a while at least. The rugby codes are middle class in the UK.

    A funny, or infuriating, thing happened when the Swedish team was presented. This time a journalist from the state controlled channels asked why the team wasn’t very diverse. He then proceeded to suggest that the coach could have missed diverse talents by being blind to their presence.

    Out of 23 players there are 2 mulatto and 1 middle eastern player.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Fredrik

    A funny, or infuriating, thing happened when the Swedish team was presented. This time a journalist from the state controlled channels asked why the team wasn’t very diverse. He then proceeded to suggest that the coach could have missed diverse talents by being blind to their presence.

    Out of 23 players there are 2 mulatto and 1 middle eastern player.


    That non-diverse Swedish team knocked out Italy. Off the top of my head I don't recall any of the more recent diverse Swedish sides defeating any teams of Italy's calibre in an important match.

  66. utu says:
    @Lagertha
    https://youtu.be/X_cwcTNGp3U

    Replies: @utu

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665044/The-Viking-war-chant-originated-Scotland-Iceland-s-mighty-clap-celebration-chants-huh-performed-Euro-2016-wins-inspired-Motherwell-fans.html

    According to Icelandic publication Morgunbladid, who spoke to the Irish Times, the mighty clap originated in the Scottish Premier League.

    But Styrmir Gislason, the head of the Association of Icelandic Football Fans, told Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten, the celebration may have come from a Polish handball team.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @utu

    Hahaa! but, because the clapping and drum are effective.....everyone insists it was part of their culture for thousands of years! I'm gonna give it up for Iceland - I adore underdog teams.

  67. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Ronaldo is part Cape Verdean, which is a mulatto and black population.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    @Anonymous

    Ronaldo is part Cape Verdean

    one-eighth, to be precise

  68. In America we are used to assuming that blacks are naturally the best athletes, so they must dominate soccer as well.

    Have you seen blacks play ping pong or engage in shooting sports?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Have you seen Asians ever do well as porn stars for anything? They should corner the micropenis fetish market.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Twinkie

    Have you seen blacks play ping pong or engage in shooting sports?

    Most shooting sports involve a rifle or shotgun, rather than a pistol. Negroes have no interest since they can't figure out how to hold a rifle or shotgun sideways.

    , @theMann
    @Twinkie

    Swimming, lacrosse, hockey, tennis, auto racing, horse racing, rowing, BMX, skiing, lumberjack competitions, or Bass Masters?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Buffalo Joe

  69. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Senate Intel Committee leaker charged; journalists whine about “constitutional right to gather information about their government.” Is violating opsec the twelfth amendment?

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/07/jeff-sessions-delivers-doj-nails-senate-intel-committees-security-chief-as-deep-state-leaker/

    Senior Justice Department officials announced late Thursday criminal charges against Senate Intelligence Committee’s long-time director of security James Wolfe.

    The indictment charges Wolfe with making false statements to the FBI and details how Wolfe passed classified information, including presumably information related to one-time Trump campaign aide Carter Page, to a series of media outlets, confirming long-standing suspicions of the career intelligence community’s complicity in leaks. The three-count indictment charges Wolfe with separate instances of making false statements to the FBI, not directly charging him for leaking classified information, but appearing to detail how he did allegedly leaked classified information to reporters and then allegedly lied about it to the FBI.

  70. anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    In America we are used to assuming that blacks are naturally the best athletes, so they must dominate soccer as well.
     
    Have you seen blacks play ping pong or engage in shooting sports?

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @theMann

    Have you seen Asians ever do well as porn stars for anything? They should corner the micropenis fetish market.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @anonymous

    I'm sure this is an area where 'bots will take over.

  71. @istevefan
    @AnotherDad


    When my kids were growing up–at the appropriate time–we watched several Hollyweird (and British) movies about the War. Wouldn’t bother doing that if I was doing it now.
     
    As a kid I could not get enough WW2 documentaries like The World at War, GI Diary, Victory at Sea and the many movies made about it. I built model airplanes out the wazoo. But now I can't bring myself to watch any of it.

    I can't bring myself to say that the wrong side won, at least in WW2. But I have now taken William Lind's position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Whiskey, @syonredux, @AnotherDad, @LondonBob, @MBlanc46

    But I have now taken William Lind’s position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.

    As far as i can tell, there were no good sides in the Great War.

    A rising Germany had every reason to be dissatisfied with the global order, with much of the world tied up economically by British and French imperialism. However, they offered no decent alternative, only more of the same–except substituting German colonialism and domination.

    The real alternative would have been decolonization, nationalism, open trade–essentially the American system after WWII.

    Better US leadership, that really worked hard to stop the conflict from esculating and then to end in on fair terms with ideas along the lines of some of Wilson’s 14 points would have–perhaps–been helpful.

    But basically we needed much better, more foresighted European leadership across the board. 1914 was the year it all went to hell for the West. We’ve never recovered, and now–baring a serious recovery of manly fighting spirit by white men–it looks like the end of the West is upon us.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    @AnotherDad

    Germany instigated the hostilities that led to World War 1 for the sake of becoming a global superpower, the same as Hitler did 20 years later. The aims were the same, turning the Low Countries into vassal states and absorbing White Russia into the German Empire while ethnically cleansing it of Slavs. Fighting and winning the war meant a Prussian military junta did not become the supreme European power which would have only been marginally better than the Third Reich winning, despite what idiots like Niall Ferguson say.

  72. @syonredux
    @istevefan


    But I have now taken William Lind’s position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.
     
    Doubtful:

    The Septemberprogramm was a list of goals for Germany to achieve in the war.

    France should cede some northern territory, such as the iron-ore mines at Briey and a coastal strip running from Dunkirk to Boulogne-sur-Mer, to Belgium or Germany.
    France should pay a war indemnity of 10 billion German Marks, with further payments to cover veterans' funds and to pay off all of Germany's existing national debt. This would prevent French rearmament, make the French economy dependent on Germany, and end trade between France and the British Empire.
    France will partially disarm by demolishing its northern forts.
    Belgium should be annexed to Germany or, preferably, become a "vassal state", which should cede eastern parts and possibly Antwerp to Germany and give Germany military and naval bases.
    Luxembourg should become a member state of the German Empire.
    Buffer states would be created in territory carved out of the western Russian Empire, such as Poland, which would remain under German sovereignty "for all time".[4]
    Germany would create a Mitteleuropa economic association, ostensibly egalitarian but actually dominated by Germany. Members would include the new buffer states.
    The German colonial empire would be expanded. The German possessions in Africa would be enlarged into a contiguous German colony across central Africa (Mittelafrika) at the expense of the French and Belgian colonies. Presumably to leave open future negotiations with Britain, no British colonies were to be taken, but Britain's "intolerable hegemony" in world affairs was to end.
    The Netherlands should be brought into a closer relationship to Germany while avoiding any appearance of coercion.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septemberprogramm

    Replies: @anon

    Sounds like the EU.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @anon


    Sounds like the EU.
     
    EU on steroids.....with German dominance massively amplified.....the whole thing would have been a powder keg of resentment....
  73. Anonymous[506] • Disclaimer says:
    @Matthew McConnagay
    Soccer is also a much more fluid and changeable game, so the players have to be capable of adapting to circumstance and improvising their tactics. There's no coach lining them all up and telling them to run Play #419: soccer must therefore place a higher demand on the cognition and teamwork of the players.

    (Insulting blacks and Americans in one smooth stroke!)

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Anonymous

    American sports (baseball and American football) involve a lot more strategy on the part of team management than does soccer. Soccer games come down to physical conditioning on the part of all concerned, whereas in the pre-steroids days some very out of shape people were able to play a part in football (remember Refrigerator Perry?) and in baseball (Babe Ruth was downright fat, John Goodman was a good choice to play him).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    This seems a pretty good explanation:




    When my Austrian wife first came to America, I had met her in South Africa, we were looking at a ball game on television.

    She asked me, “How is baseball played?”

    Well, this is easy, I thought. Only then did it hit me that the game I was raised with was one hell of a job to explain to someone who was not raised with it.

    All the games my wife was familiar with like soccer or La Crosse or hockey or basketball were similar.

    Each game consists entirely of getting a ball into a goal. In all of these games, what is called a “team” is really an indistinguishable group trying to hit the goal or block the goal or getting the ball to a teammate who can get in the goal.

    One position in basketball, La Crosse, soccer or any of the others is excellent practice for any other. Entire books have been written about the history of halfbacks, or guards or tackles or ends in football. A pitcher in baseball is entirely different from a fielder or a shortstop.

    A good soccer or basketball player can take any so-called “position” on the team. A pitcher or a halfback does not easily switch to being a shortstop or a tackle.

    Try explaining all that in a short statement.

    This is a giant difference, but I didn’t notice it until my new wife asked me to explain baseball to her.
     

    As I said in Part I, hockey, basketball, La Cross, basketball and most other popular sports are the same game: several people on each side, positions almost entirely exchangeable with each other, try to get a ball into a goal.

    When you suddenly are called upon to describe baseball or football to a foreigner, you suddenly realize just how DIFFERENT they are.
     

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    The 1980s, when William "The Refrigerator" Perry played, weren't "pre-steroids days", and he wasn't "very out of shape". He wasn't even that fat, looking back. And he was a solid athlete, able to run and catch the ball out of the backfield on offense in addition to being a run-stopper on defense.

    https://youtu.be/DsdGbvNiVXY?t=1m

    Replies: @Brutusale

  74. @Steve Sailer
    @Hail

    The guy who scored the winning goal for Germany in the last World Cup looks kind of like Ryan Gosling and is a professor's son.

    Are there class differences in who plays soccer in different European countries? Soccer is quite middle class in the US, but very working class in some other countries.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @bored identity, @Cowboy shaw, @Englishman Abroad

    “…a lot of swarthy John Turturro-looking Southern Europeans like Ibrahimović…”

    bored identity has to offer this tiny miny huge correction to Steve’s geo-phrenological observation:

    Although Zlatan Django-Stardust-Ibrahimovic does carry some Midterranean rhinal features – his real ethnic origin puts him in the epicenter of the former Tito’s Muttlandia.

    Zlatan (Goldy in South-Slavic languages) Ibrahimovic’s (Islamic variant of Abrahamovitz) heritage consists of equal parts of Bosnian, Croat, and/or Gypsy bloodlines; which in return turned him into one of the finest specimens of Malmö’s Palmeolithic Era.

    “….Zlatan Ibrahimović is a Swedish footballer.

    His father, Šefik Ibrahimović, born in Bijeljina, is a Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim).

    His mother, Jurka Gravić, born in the village of Prkos, near Škabrnja, in Croatia’s Zadar County, is a Croatian Catholic.

    Zlatan grew up in Rosengård, a Malmö neighbourhood known for its immigrant communities.

    Growing up in Sweden, due to his mixed background, he was subjected to racist abuse and was cruelly nicknamed: ‘Zigge – the gypsy.’

    One of his first clubs was FBK Balkan.

    He is fluent in five languages.

    Zlatan has stated that he is a Catholic Christian.

    Zlatan’s paternal grandparents were Zećo Ibrahimović and Vasva Džinić.

    Zlatan is said to have Albanian and/or Romani ancestry.

    It is not clear if there is evidence for these statements.”

    http://ethnicelebs.com/zlatan-ibrahimovic

    Also, Roman Ibrahimovich’s contribution in fighting against Igbo-American carpetdouchebaggery in Euro League is something that goes along Sailer’s inquiry on ongoing Soccer Class Struggle:

    “I joined AC Milan in 2010 and our biggest league match was approaching. The Milan derby against Inter, whose most passionate fans — the Ultras — were going to hate me.”

    “On top of that, I had issues with Oguchi Onyewu, a guy in my team. He was an American the size of a house, and I told a mate in the squad:

    Something serious is gonna happen. I just feel it.”

    ‘Onyewu resembled a heavyweight boxer.

    He was nearly 6ft 5in and weighed over 15 stone, but he couldn’t handle me. He accused me of trash talking, but that wasn’t true.

    People trash talk me. I’ve heard so much s**t over the years: ‘F****** gypsy’, stuff about my mum — all that stuff.

    I retaliate with my body, not with words.”

    “I told Onyewu I did not trash talk, but he just kept on. He shushed me with his finger.
    Then he did it again. I saw red. I didn’t say anything, not a word.

    That b****** was going to find out how I trash-talk!
    The next time he got the ball in training; I rushed towards him and jumped up with my feet and studs out in front — the worst type of tackle.”

    “But he saw me and leapt out of the way. As we both crashed to the ground, my first thought was: ‘S**t! I’ve missed!’ As I got up and walked away I felt a blow to my shoulder.

    Not a good idea, Oguchi Onyewu.”

    “I headbutted him, and we flew at each other. We wanted to tear each other limb from limb. It was brutal. We were rolling around, punching and kneeing each other.

    We were crazy and furious — it was like life and death.”

    “Afterwards, the weirdest thing happened. Onyewu started praying to God with tears in his eyes, making the sign of the cross. This felt like a provocation, and I got more furious.

    I was stopped by my team-mates, and I suppose that was a good thing.

    It could have turned out nasty. All the time, I was thinking: ‘S***, my chest hurts,’ so we had it checked out. I’d broken a rib in the fight.”

    ‘It was not the first time I’d had a dispute with a team-mate.’

    (…)

    https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/when-oguchi-onyewu-broke-zlatan-ibrahimovic-rib-fight

    http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2010/11/05/2200429/fight-between-zlatan-ibrahimovic-and-oguchi-onyewu-forces

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @bored identity

    Remember the Bosnian war? The Ibrahimovic family were some out of many, many Bosnian muslim refugees who -- somehow -- ended up in Sweden and never left. Did this teach us Swedes anything? No.

    Also, now that I've read this site for a while, I'm starting to wonder wherefrom a name like "Ibrahimovic" hails. "Ibrahim" does seem muslim, though on the other hand, as we have recently learned, "Abramovic" turned out to have a right to return to Israel.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  75. Anonymous[506] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Matthew McConnagay

    American sports (baseball and American football) involve a lot more strategy on the part of team management than does soccer. Soccer games come down to physical conditioning on the part of all concerned, whereas in the pre-steroids days some very out of shape people were able to play a part in football (remember Refrigerator Perry?) and in baseball (Babe Ruth was downright fat, John Goodman was a good choice to play him).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen

    This seems a pretty good explanation:

    When my Austrian wife first came to America, I had met her in South Africa, we were looking at a ball game on television.

    She asked me, “How is baseball played?”

    Well, this is easy, I thought. Only then did it hit me that the game I was raised with was one hell of a job to explain to someone who was not raised with it.

    All the games my wife was familiar with like soccer or La Crosse or hockey or basketball were similar.

    Each game consists entirely of getting a ball into a goal. In all of these games, what is called a “team” is really an indistinguishable group trying to hit the goal or block the goal or getting the ball to a teammate who can get in the goal.

    One position in basketball, La Crosse, soccer or any of the others is excellent practice for any other. Entire books have been written about the history of halfbacks, or guards or tackles or ends in football. A pitcher in baseball is entirely different from a fielder or a shortstop.

    A good soccer or basketball player can take any so-called “position” on the team. A pitcher or a halfback does not easily switch to being a shortstop or a tackle.

    Try explaining all that in a short statement.

    This is a giant difference, but I didn’t notice it until my new wife asked me to explain baseball to her.

    As I said in Part I, hockey, basketball, La Cross, basketball and most other popular sports are the same game: several people on each side, positions almost entirely exchangeable with each other, try to get a ball into a goal.

    When you suddenly are called upon to describe baseball or football to a foreigner, you suddenly realize just how DIFFERENT they are.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Anonymous

    If you are going to steal, at least cite your source. Also, lacrosse is one word.

  76. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    I'll just leave this here: https://nypost.com/2016/06/12/professor-who-donates-sperm-in-city-bathrooms-has-sired-22-kids/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Clyde, @anon

    From your link-
    But it’s not all sunshine and babies. (for this free wheeling sperm donor)
    The first five women he worked with successfully sued him for child support, and nearly half of his paycheck is garnished for his offspring.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Clyde

    Yeah, if you donate sperm outside of a sperm bank, you open yourself up to that.

    Also, IIRC, he made a few of his donations direct.

  77. meh says:
    @Ganderson
    @Matthew McConnagay

    Same with hockey, only more so. And hockey is, PK Subban notwithstanding, is white white white.

    Replies: @meh

    Same with hockey, only more so. And hockey is, PK Subban notwithstanding, is white white white.

    You missed the point.

    Ice hockey has unlimited subsitution. Players can come off the ice and rest. The coach thus has lots of opportunities to tell players how to adjust their tactics. And the coach can adjust the lineup of the players on the ice in real time, to effect his adjustment in tactics, i.e., he can play a particular combination of players to suit a particular tactical situation.

    In association football, you only have three substitutions and a player can’t come back on after being taken off. The coach isn’t supposed to “coach” the players from the sidelines; this doesn’t in practice prevent him from shouting at his players, but in practice the coach has very little influence once play starts. Players really do have to figure things out and adjust their tactics themselves, and not rely on coaches to make decisions for them.

    Totally different situation from ice hockey.

    Ice hockey is a white sport because it isn’t played amongst non-whites for various reasons, partly due to the fact that it is an expensive sport and most public schools in non-white communities don’t pay for ice hockey teams like they are willing to pay for basketball and gridiron football teams (the cost of gridiron equipment and facilities in particular is not inconsequential). And non-white parents are very unlikely to pay for private youth ice hockey for their children.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @meh

    Ice time is expensive.

  78. @gregor
    When did people start thinking that living in a city is inherently disadvantageous? According to the google n-gram, people didn’t really start saying “inner city” until the 60s.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @anonymous coward

    When did people start thinking that living in a city is inherently disadvantageous?

    When the Blacks moved in.

    Ever yours,

    – Captain Obvious.

  79. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @(((Owen)))
    @AnotherDad

    Except the course of national dispossession wasn't set in the 1960s. The 1965 Hart-Cellar Act tightened up Latin American immigration and slightly loosened Asian immigration while leaving total numbers alone.

    Perhaps you've noticed where most of the third world immigration to the US came from in the 1965-1990 period; it wasn't China.

    The displacement of destruction of the western nations really didn't start until the 1980s. The amnesty of 1986 and the massive Reagan-Bush immigration expansion raised immigration from a bit over 2-400k to 1.5+MM mainly with the 1990 immigration law.

    So let's blame the generation that deserves it: It was the Greatests and the Boomers that loved Reagan and Bush. Those are the ones that sold out America. Despise them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @istevefan

    “The displacement of destruction”

    ?

  80. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @songbird

    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @LondonBob, @Reg Cæsar

    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.

    Soccer seems to reward dramatic flopping and pretending to be hurt from a little shouldering or ankle tripping….

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    The refs seem to have gone in the opposite direction with the most recent Champions League final. The Liverpool goal keeper got examined at Mass General after the match, and was diagnosed with a concussion, apparently from getting elbowed in the head. IIRC, no foul was called on the attacker.

    The other notable injury in that game was Liverpool's star Egyptian striker going down. He tried to keep playing but had to be subbed out. Turned out he had dislocated his shoulder, and missed the rest of the game (and I think will miss the World Cup too). I don't think the guy he collided with got a yellow card either.

    Replies: @Cortes

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Twinkie


    Soccer seems to reward dramatic flopping and pretending to be hurt from a little shouldering or ankle tripping…
     
    As opposed to US sports leagues, which reward an entire club's throwing the entire season with the top draft choice.

    http://m.mlb.com/draft/2018/order

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-draft-order-when-is-your-favorite-team-picking-in-the-nba-draft/

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/nfl-draft-order-2018-complete-list-of-picks-trades/

    "The Browns will open the 2018 NFL Draft with two picks among the top five selections, including the No. 1 overall pick, after a disappointing 0-16 season."

    Doesn't sound that disappointing to me. Promoting the Canton Bulldogs or Decatur Staleys to take the place of the departing Browns would be disappointing.
    , @Brutusale
    @Twinkie

    A great commercial. Greg Louganis has nothing on these guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8v_NAYpbfQ

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Captain nascimento

    , @anon
    @Twinkie

    Flopping in soccer is mostly a Latin(o) thing and other low latitude persuasions. I.e., people who tend to cheat also cheat on the soccer pitch.
    There is now a lot of flopping and acting in basketball, particularly the NBA, and not limited to foreigners, either.

    , @sb
    @Twinkie

    Diving , or as you call it flopping , is generally frowned upon by Northern European teams and their fans with the notable exception of Germany

    The rest of the world ,excepting the Northern European diaspora nations ( like USA and Australia ) and notably Japan , don't have any cultural problem with diving

  81. @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Doesn't change the fact that White Race will be bred out in next 80 to 100 years.

    Replies: @Pumblechook, @Dave Pinsen

    Absolutely no doubt that Euro descendants are suffering from lowish birth rates but the picture is nowhere near as bleak as some like to believe.

    When one gathers all the births of Europeans worldwide annually (including Australia, USA etc), the figure is approx. 11 million, which produces almost a billion of us over the long term.

    Arabs in comparison have around 7 million each year and certainly no-one talks about them disappearing.

  82. @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Doesn't change the fact that White Race will be bred out in next 80 to 100 years.

    Replies: @Pumblechook, @Dave Pinsen

    As long as certain phenotypes are prized, they will continue to exist. Hence, there are still whites in Mexico, for example, after 500 years of mixing.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Dave Pinsen

    And there are still some full blood American Indians after over 400 years of disease, slaughter and mixing.

    American Indians are more likely to marry outside their race than any other race in America, especially females. An Indian woman is even more likely to marry a white man than an Asian woman is.

    Despite all this there are and will continue to be full bloods.

    Some people prefer to marry their own kind.


    One time one of my kids came home from school repeating a claim that redheads would be extinct by mid century. I pointed out that my kid had redhead friends who would be middle aged but very much alive mid century.


    If one goes back 100 years, blue eyes were vastly more common in the US than they are now. But they still exist.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Buffalo Joe

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Dave Pinsen

    Steve's post from March is also apposite here: https://www.unz.com/isteve/brazilian-fertility-clinics-look-to-american-white-guys/

  83. @AnotherDad
    @istevefan


    But I have now taken William Lind’s position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.
     
    As far as i can tell, there were no good sides in the Great War.

    A rising Germany had every reason to be dissatisfied with the global order, with much of the world tied up economically by British and French imperialism. However, they offered no decent alternative, only more of the same--except substituting German colonialism and domination.

    The real alternative would have been decolonization, nationalism, open trade--essentially the American system after WWII.

    Better US leadership, that really worked hard to stop the conflict from esculating and then to end in on fair terms with ideas along the lines of some of Wilson's 14 points would have--perhaps--been helpful.

    But basically we needed much better, more foresighted European leadership across the board. 1914 was the year it all went to hell for the West. We've never recovered, and now--baring a serious recovery of manly fighting spirit by white men--it looks like the end of the West is upon us.

    Replies: @Ali Choudhury

    Germany instigated the hostilities that led to World War 1 for the sake of becoming a global superpower, the same as Hitler did 20 years later. The aims were the same, turning the Low Countries into vassal states and absorbing White Russia into the German Empire while ethnically cleansing it of Slavs. Fighting and winning the war meant a Prussian military junta did not become the supreme European power which would have only been marginally better than the Third Reich winning, despite what idiots like Niall Ferguson say.

  84. @Twinkie
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.
     
    Soccer seems to reward dramatic flopping and pretending to be hurt from a little shouldering or ankle tripping....

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale, @anon, @sb

    The refs seem to have gone in the opposite direction with the most recent Champions League final. The Liverpool goal keeper got examined at Mass General after the match, and was diagnosed with a concussion, apparently from getting elbowed in the head. IIRC, no foul was called on the attacker.

    The other notable injury in that game was Liverpool’s star Egyptian striker going down. He tried to keep playing but had to be subbed out. Turned out he had dislocated his shoulder, and missed the rest of the game (and I think will miss the World Cup too). I don’t think the guy he collided with got a yellow card either.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Dave Pinsen

    To me there were three very cute examples of what looked like beautifully executed “professional fouls”: the two you mention plus the incident where the Real Madrid right back, Dani Carvajal, had to go off following the Liverpool left back stepping on Carvajal’s dodgy ankle.

    The sport’s authorities should be educating match officials in spotting and penalising such incidents. Having broken a shoulder a few years ago, I knew straight away that Salah, Liverpool’s star forward, had no chance of continuing after Real’s alpha defender (and much bigger and heavier) Sergio Ramos pulled Salah down and ensured the Egyptian’s arm was trapped with both players torsos landing on the shoulder. Bang! If anything, the goalkeeper incident was even worse, involving a head injury to the side. Ramos again.

    Too much emphasis has been placed on clamping down on “simulation” and too little on spotting professional fouls.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  85. @Steve Sailer
    @Carbon blob

    My vague impression is that the Dutch are the best nurturers of soccer talent.

    Replies: @Tacitus, @Sam, @Brutusale, @Sean Burgess

  86. m___ says:

    Wonders’ one how many ethnic, by race, mother or father, Jewish involucrated individuals there are in the soccer environment surroundings(more importantly since more money is to be made), and participating(limited to players and logistics to the players at a first level).

    An industry not invaded by Jewish influence?, and having such a controlling possible effect on bulk humanity worldwide? That is what one calls a “hole in the market”(Western European slang for missed opportunity) to Jewish interests. It does not compare to off-shoring to Israel, but still a large chunk for upper middle class players(involved in anything the moving circus wants and generates) to be made.

    Especially the trading, no different from stocks and bonds and currency speculation, of players. What genius Jewish programmer can come up with an “algorithm” to be copied from the existing amalgam stock trading uses, or at least who is the Jewish owner who employs the nerd on duty.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @m___


    It does not compare to off-shoring to Israel, but still a large chunk for upper middle class players(involved in anything the moving circus wants and generates) to be made.
     
    By "players," do you mean soccer players or middlemen?

    What is "the moving circus"?

    Especially the trading, no different from stocks and bonds and currency speculation, of players.
     
    And perhaps with some affinity to trade in slaves.
  87. @timothy
    The contrast with the mostly ethnically indigenous German team is interesting. A plausible matchup for the Final, too.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Most of the Black US servicemen with white German mothers play for the US. A few Turks in the German team.

  88. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @songbird

    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @LondonBob, @Reg Cæsar

    No sport goes together with gayness, they just aren’t interested.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @LondonBob

    Figure skating for men, softball for women.

    , @snorlax
    @LondonBob

    Diving, water polo and swimming (in that order) are heavily gay. Probably the speedos.

  89. @songbird
    Anyone seen the rainbow colors on some of the teams' jersey numbers? It is truly bizarre to see a global homosexual sign marked on national uniforms, and in a men's sport.

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Tyrion 2, @Reg Cæsar, @stillCARealist

    On the other hand, there have been very few openly gay footballers

    Until quite recently, the only one anyone had heard of was Justin Fashanu. He was Britain’s first £1 million black footballer, which used to be considered real money.

    After announcing he was gay in 1990, he happily told the press that his teammates were perfectly accepting despite the ribbing he received.

    Previously, his legendary manager Brian Clough had been confused by the whole thing, as Clough recounted: “‘Where do you go if you want a loaf of bread?’ I asked him. ‘A baker’s, I suppose.’ ‘Where do you go if you want a leg of lamb?’ ‘A butcher’s.’ ‘So why do you keep going to that bloody poofs’ club?”‘

    Sadly later, he ended up being accused of assaulting a 17 year old boy in America amd committed suicide under the attention.

    Other than that, there’s been a couple of nobodies and a pretty decent German player, but all in the 2010s.

    Statistically, this does not make sense, but there’s no straightfoward explanation. The media line is that it is homophobia but that really doesn’t cut it. It fails not only because it is another case of media prejudices being stuck in the now distant past but also because it mistakenly sees causation only going one way. Also, as you say, look at the flags they all wear now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Tyrion 2

    Vintage Clough.

  90. @istevefan
    @AnotherDad


    When my kids were growing up–at the appropriate time–we watched several Hollyweird (and British) movies about the War. Wouldn’t bother doing that if I was doing it now.
     
    As a kid I could not get enough WW2 documentaries like The World at War, GI Diary, Victory at Sea and the many movies made about it. I built model airplanes out the wazoo. But now I can't bring myself to watch any of it.

    I can't bring myself to say that the wrong side won, at least in WW2. But I have now taken William Lind's position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Whiskey, @syonredux, @AnotherDad, @LondonBob, @MBlanc46

    World at War is a classic, Laurence Olivier narrating. I still find it strange to watch Albert Speer reminiscing about his time in the bunker.

  91. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    The refs seem to have gone in the opposite direction with the most recent Champions League final. The Liverpool goal keeper got examined at Mass General after the match, and was diagnosed with a concussion, apparently from getting elbowed in the head. IIRC, no foul was called on the attacker.

    The other notable injury in that game was Liverpool's star Egyptian striker going down. He tried to keep playing but had to be subbed out. Turned out he had dislocated his shoulder, and missed the rest of the game (and I think will miss the World Cup too). I don't think the guy he collided with got a yellow card either.

    Replies: @Cortes

    To me there were three very cute examples of what looked like beautifully executed “professional fouls”: the two you mention plus the incident where the Real Madrid right back, Dani Carvajal, had to go off following the Liverpool left back stepping on Carvajal’s dodgy ankle.

    The sport’s authorities should be educating match officials in spotting and penalising such incidents. Having broken a shoulder a few years ago, I knew straight away that Salah, Liverpool’s star forward, had no chance of continuing after Real’s alpha defender (and much bigger and heavier) Sergio Ramos pulled Salah down and ensured the Egyptian’s arm was trapped with both players torsos landing on the shoulder. Bang! If anything, the goalkeeper incident was even worse, involving a head injury to the side. Ramos again.

    Too much emphasis has been placed on clamping down on “simulation” and too little on spotting professional fouls.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Cortes

    Ramos on Salah looks pretty evil in slow-mo:

    https://youtu.be/UxCcZe_q1iI?t=18s

    And here's him on Karius:

    https://youtu.be/bg4ZqHvUTa8

    This really goes against the whole stereotype of soccer players flopping. These were dirty, hard fouls, and both victims got back up and tried to play.

    Replies: @Matra

  92. @Anonymous

    In France, where they have pretty good restaurants, they need immigrants to win the World Cup.
     
    And at the club level, they need immigrant ringers to offset the costs of immigration.

    It all works perfectly.

    A Muslim propels his team to the Champions League final by scoring against the very team he was playing for last year, A.S. Roma.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/world/europe/mo-salah-liverpool-champions-league.html


    One song in his honor has the lyrics, “If he scores another few, then I’ll be Muslim, too,” and it has not gone unnoticed. Though the chant has attracted some criticism, Anwar Uddin, a former player who now works for the Football Supporters’ Federation on its diversity programming, says he thinks it is well intentioned.

    “Things like that can break down barriers,” he said, pointing out that the simple sight of seeing Mr. Salah bow and reflect after scoring a goal can help to “remove the stigma” that some may attach to the sight of a Muslim praying.
     

    Perhaps Muslim players could be distributed evenly on loans to all the major cities' clubs so they can all stage these propaganda coups?

    Replies: @LondonBob

    There was a fictional book about a Nazi occupation of Britain, they win over the natives by importing top German footballers to play for English teams.

    Football has always been an immigrant game in France, just it used to be Italians like Platini and Spaniards. This is still reflected in some players in the squad today.

  93. Hail says: • Website
    @prosa123
    @Hail

    Raphael Varane absolutely cannot be half black. Maybe one-quarter black, and even that's a stretch.
    https://goo.gl/images/qR12ua

    Tolisso does look mixed, Nzonzi could pass for full African.

    Replies: @Hail

    Google-Image for ‘Raphael Varane parents.’ The man pictured as his father looks quite dark, though perhaps not 100% Subsaharan himself. If that man is his father, Raphael Varane has substantial Subsaharan ancestry. Pictures of Raphael as a boy do also show a child who looks like a mulatto.

    How to explain his present looks? A few possibilities that aren’t too hard to imagine. If he has had a ‘hand’ in the evolution of his own phenotype, what does that say about him?

  94. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    @Hail

    I can find only 6 Whites in your list, and only 2 Frenchmen.

    Replies: @Hail

    The list is an attempt at total ancestry-pool estimate for the team. Players with half-WhiteFrench origin are given 0.5 ‘White’.

    Is a racially European francophone with loyalty to and ties to France not French if some, most, or all of whose ancestors x generations ago were not living on the soil of France? This seems to stretch reason to a breaking point.

  95. @songbird
    Anyone seen the rainbow colors on some of the teams' jersey numbers? It is truly bizarre to see a global homosexual sign marked on national uniforms, and in a men's sport.

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Tyrion 2, @Reg Cæsar, @stillCARealist

    Anyone seen the rainbow colors on some of the teams’ jersey numbers? It is truly bizarre to see a global homosexual sign marked on national uniforms, and in a men’s sport.

    It’s getting to be epidemic. A couple of days ago, I saw a giant rainbow arcing over our village through the clouds. Can’t escape it anywhere.

  96. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @songbird

    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @LondonBob, @Reg Cæsar

    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.

    When relegation and promotion come to the NFL, as well as a prohibition of “time outs” and reentry from the bench, then we can talk about which sport is manlier.

  97. @eah
    Frequency of the word 'Racism' in New York Times articles, 1851-2016.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De65lTYXkAAJe6j.jpg

    Replies: @Lex, @songbird

    I wonder how it compares to anti-semitism.

  98. @Twinkie
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.
     
    Soccer seems to reward dramatic flopping and pretending to be hurt from a little shouldering or ankle tripping....

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale, @anon, @sb

    Soccer seems to reward dramatic flopping and pretending to be hurt from a little shouldering or ankle tripping…

    As opposed to US sports leagues, which reward an entire club’s throwing the entire season with the top draft choice.

    http://m.mlb.com/draft/2018/order

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-draft-order-when-is-your-favorite-team-picking-in-the-nba-draft/

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/nfl-draft-order-2018-complete-list-of-picks-trades/

    “The Browns will open the 2018 NFL Draft with two picks among the top five selections, including the No. 1 overall pick, after a disappointing 0-16 season.”

    Doesn’t sound that disappointing to me. Promoting the Canton Bulldogs or Decatur Staleys to take the place of the departing Browns would be disappointing.

  99. Sam says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Carbon blob

    My vague impression is that the Dutch are the best nurturers of soccer talent.

    Replies: @Tacitus, @Sam, @Brutusale, @Sean Burgess

    You are completely correct. They have been punching above their weight at an incredible rate for over 40 years ever since the spectacular and intellectual Total Football teams of 70’s that changed football into a tactical and smart sport.*

    The Dutch are quite known for their youth academies and relying on young players with Ajax being the prime example. Italians following national stereotype have historically distrusted youth and prefered extending the life of old players. The French centralized elite national youth development in Clairefontaine in Paris, of course.

    *The Soviet came up with the same scientific approach to the sport at the same time. A fantastic book on the cultural and tactical side of football is Jonathan Wilson’s The Inverted Pyramid. He starts with the formation of the sport in British universities and goes through the spreading to rest of the world as well as covering the big moments at the World Cup and club football.https://www.amazon.com/Inverting-Pyramid-History-Soccer-Tactics/dp/1568587384/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528448540&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=jonathan+wilson+pyramid&dpPl=1&dpID=51JZYQnim9L&ref=plSrch

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Sam


    He starts with the formation of the sport in British universities
     
    No, no, no.

    British public (private) schools.
  100. Sam says:
    @AnotherDad

    Here’s Forbes‘ list of the 20 highest paid soccer players of 2017
     
    Europeans actually go out and root for this crap?

    Even the Europeans, aren't even from your nation, much less your city. In that sense it's even worse than American football.

    You'd think some club owners would figure out they'd get some serious fan loyalty by sticking with players from their own nations--and especially local boys made good--who would have homes, wives, kids their in town.

    But i guess the American example--white folks rooting for these black atheletes recruited from around the nation with no connection to their town--pretty much answers my question. Bread and circuses. People--at least white people--will cheer for anyone.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Matra, @Sam, @Escher

    Football/soccer actually does favour national players. The most beloved side of the last 10 years was Barcelona which relied on Spanish and especially Catalan players, most of whom were developed at the club since they were young teens. Another team in Spain, Athletic Bilbao, has always had a policy of only using Basque players which is a tremendous achievement since they have been one of the most successful clubs in Spain.

    Having players from your own city and youth department is strongly favored in football by all. The European football organisation(UEFA) has rules in place so clubs have to have a certain amount of youth players in the squad.
    Granted, globalization has made its way into football as well. Italy banned all foreigners after a humiliating World Cup run and there used to be strong limits on foreigners but the EU rules of free movement was eventually enforced by law on football in the late 90’s. However the grim prediction of complete internationalization never happened either. England has tended to be the worst offender as you would expect but that is also due to them not being able to produce many great talents in the last 15 years.

  101. Note: soccer stars have lots of money and time on their hands to fiddle constantly with their looks, so any single picture isn’t very authoritative.

    Interesting that there isn’t much of that on the PGA Tour. Plenty of vanity while on camera, they pose after the follow-through, twirling the club, spinning the shafts, but they don’t even seem to get their hair fixed. Sufficient the ball caps to cover up the baldness. Tiger Woods is one. Jim Furyck comes to mind as a shockingly bald guy sans ball cap. Pity he only made 16 wins on the Tour. Sponsor’s exemptions can only keep you around for so long. The Swing wore thin, I guess.

    Speaking of Tiger, btw, Steve:
    https://www.golfchannel.com/article/grill-room/report-tiger-staying-his-yacht-us-open/?cid=article_trending_p1

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jim Christian

    Golfers used to be more glamorous because they didn't wear hats, like Palmer in the 1960s or the big heads of blond hair on Nicklaus and Miller in the 1970s and Norman in the 1980s -- I recognized Norman from 500 yards away.

    But now they are scared of skin cancer and cataracts, so they wear hats and look pretty anonymous.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Buffalo Joe

  102. A while back I read in this forum an interesting hypothesis that certain people evolved better strength, speed and agility for sprinting and getting away from dangers. Obviously these are essential for soccer.

    For your viewing pleasure:

    I’m not terribly interested in watching soccer, but the agility, athleticism and drama of this performance make it irresistible to watch. If this were part of a regularly televised competition, I might tune in.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    That's how in the good old days of Carnegie and Frick, robber barons would go to play golf at Shinnecock and the National: steam up in your yacht.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

  103. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    A while back I read in this forum an interesting hypothesis that certain people evolved better strength, speed and agility for sprinting and getting away from dangers. Obviously these are essential for soccer.

    For your viewing pleasure:

    https://twitter.com/ozzymanreviews/status/1004561214964318208?s=21

    I’m not terribly interested in watching soccer, but the agility, athleticism and drama of this performance make it irresistible to watch. If this were part of a regularly televised competition, I might tune in.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    That’s how in the good old days of Carnegie and Frick, robber barons would go to play golf at Shinnecock and the National: steam up in your yacht.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Steve Sailer


    That’s how in the good old days of Carnegie and Frick, robber barons would go to play golf at Shinnecock and the National: steam up in your yacht.

     

    No matter how fancy some of the mansions on the Hudson were and are, they still had a railroad line running in between their mansion and the mighty Hudson. They sunk the railroad bed to keep it out of sight and to minimize the sound, like Olmsted did with some of the roads running through Central Park.

    Of course, I ain't talking about the mansions on the bluffs above the Hudson River.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  104. @Jim Christian

    Note: soccer stars have lots of money and time on their hands to fiddle constantly with their looks, so any single picture isn’t very authoritative.
     
    Interesting that there isn't much of that on the PGA Tour. Plenty of vanity while on camera, they pose after the follow-through, twirling the club, spinning the shafts, but they don't even seem to get their hair fixed. Sufficient the ball caps to cover up the baldness. Tiger Woods is one. Jim Furyck comes to mind as a shockingly bald guy sans ball cap. Pity he only made 16 wins on the Tour. Sponsor's exemptions can only keep you around for so long. The Swing wore thin, I guess.

    Speaking of Tiger, btw, Steve:
    https://www.golfchannel.com/article/grill-room/report-tiger-staying-his-yacht-us-open/?cid=article_trending_p1

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Golfers used to be more glamorous because they didn’t wear hats, like Palmer in the 1960s or the big heads of blond hair on Nicklaus and Miller in the 1970s and Norman in the 1980s — I recognized Norman from 500 yards away.

    But now they are scared of skin cancer and cataracts, so they wear hats and look pretty anonymous.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve Sailer says he identified the sun-fried blonde head of Greg Norman from 500 yards away?

    I say Paul Hogan has looked like a lesbian for the last twenty years, maybe more. Leprechaun Antipodean actor Paul Hogan had Linda Kozlowski when she looked good, I didn't.

    I say Greg Norman is a showoff baby boomer geezer boy golfer who should keep his clothes on while posing like a fop for photographs. Norman looks like an antipodean Judy Dench in one of those calendars where ladies who should know better attack the rest of us with their awkward ancient nakedness.

    The best scene in Crocodile Dundee is when a scantily clad Linda Kozlowski is menaced by a crocodile and Paul Hogan rescues her.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jim Christian

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, the PGA golfers and LPGA golfers wear hats because they get big bucks for wearing those logoed caps. No endorsement money and more than a few would probably shed the cap. Years ago golfers wore a flat hat and not baseball hats.

  105. @Steve Sailer
    @Hail

    The guy who scored the winning goal for Germany in the last World Cup looks kind of like Ryan Gosling and is a professor's son.

    Are there class differences in who plays soccer in different European countries? Soccer is quite middle class in the US, but very working class in some other countries.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @bored identity, @Cowboy shaw, @Englishman Abroad

    England has a massive class division. Almost no middle class players are ever in the England team. This is not very well understood outside the UK. I remember explaining rugby once to the football correspondent of Denmarks largest newspaper. He was based in London but was under the impression that rugby was about the same size as underwater water polo. The British middle classes play and follow a myriad of other sports too. Quite successfully as well as can be seen by their recent Olympic results. In football they’re competing with essentially one arm tied behind their back.

    • Replies: @penskefile
    @Cowboy shaw

    A Northern Irish friend of mine has a saying "Rugby is a thugs game played by gentlemen, while football (soccer) is a gentlemen's game played by thugs". My friend is, of course, a rugby fan

  106. @Anonymous
    One thing that I have observed is that White Girls can do anything to get a Black Athlete's love and attention. They are Strong, Masculine, Manly and Tall. I have seen a lot of White Woman having children with Rich Blacks from Sub Saharan Africa and this thing is also happening in Ivy league colleges. White “man” cannot compete with Black Men or other Men of Color in the sexual marketplace. Men of Color are strong and athletic and have fought their whole lives while White men are weak dull effeminate clumsy and play video games Is it any wonder that white girls crave Black Men?
    Moreover, Miscegenation is wayy more common than what statistics tell you about it. White Men are losing White Woman. I can count on hand White Men with Non White women. But, White Woman are a class apart, they love to have mixed babies in their wombs it seems.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Buck Turgidson, @bomag, @Tiny Duck, @Forbes, @anon, @Mike Tre, @MBlanc46

    Nicole Brown Simpson

  107. @Arclight
    Trading away a centuries-old interesting and inventive culture for higher quality soccer players seems like a bad deal to me.

    I doubt the soldiers who fought and died to defend and ultimately liberate Western Europe in the middle of last century would have been willing to do so for the Europe that will exist by the middle of this one.

    Replies: @istevefan, @AnotherDad, @Nigerian Nationalist

    You realise that colonial troops fought both wars correct? That the colonies didn’t capitulate to the Nazis.

    Read a little.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Too funny - are you implying the colonial troops served in WWII did so to secure the liberation a distant Europe so their descendants could settle there, rather than being ordered to fight in local theaters of war by the European administrators who ruled their countries? I think not. Even the French Army of Africa - which did serve in the failed defense of France - were mostly conscripts.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

  108. @Reg Cæsar

    I thought Ronaldo of Portugal, the 2017 #1 paid just ahead of the Italian Messi of Argentina, looked slightly black, but in this picture he looks like PeeWee
     
    Don't confuse him with Ronaldinho (Little Ronald) of Brazil, who has a lot more of the tar brush about him.

    Also, if Ronaldo's herman is peewee, then he's not black. Ask Truth.

    Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    Also, if Ronaldo’s herman is peewee, then he’s not black.

    Would also rule out any Native American ancestry… : D

  109. *Sigh*

    You clearly know very little about football so rather than this display of ignorance, you’d have been better served creating an open thread.

    Few Points:

    1. The immigrants they refer to include some West Africans like Paul Pogba or N’golo Kante but more often than not are usually North Africans, like the consensus greatest French player ever, Zinedine Zidane.

    2. Your jibe about Black athleticism and its football limitations would be more laughable if only arguably the second greatest French player wasn’t Thierry Henry and one of the greatest footballers ever not Pele.

    i. Some of the best young footballers: Raheem Sterling, Leon Bailey, Gabriel Jesus, David Alaba…care to take a gander what they look like?

    It’s nothing major to stick to the things you know.

    That said, try to catch some matches, football is invariably superior to golf.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Some good points but missing the big picture. Zidane and Henry were crème de la crème but they are not exactly Paul Pogba, ancestry-wise. The simple point that should be pretty incontrovertible to an unbiased observer of soccer in particular and sports in general is that Sub-Saharan blacks tend not do very well on average in comparison to whites in long running and stamina. Their relative strength, by far, is an explosive speed. Your list of very good footballers (Raheem Sterling, Leon Bailey, Gabriel Jesus, David Alaba) only confirms it - none is truly a household name. Unquestionably, Pele is. But a reasonable point of view is that Pele is a historical relic whose talent has since been exceeded by the likes of Maradona, Zidane and Messi (maybe Ronaldo, too).

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

  110. @Hail
    France national team for 2018
    (Years of birth range from 1985 to 1998)

    Goalkeepers [Whites at 1.0/3.0]
    - Hugo Lloris (White European, all French origin?)
    - Steve Mandanda (Black; born in Congo)
    - Alphonse Areola (Filipino parents; born in Paris)

    Defenders [Whites at 2.5/8.0]
    - Benjamin Pavard (White European; born to local family near Belgian border)
    - Presnel Kimpembe (Black; half-Congolese, half-Haitian
    - Raphaël Varane (half-White, half-Black [Martinique])
    - Samuel Umtiti (Black; born in Cameroon)
    - Adil Rami (Moroccan parents; born in Corsica)
    - Djibril Sidibé (Black; Malian ancestry)
    - Lucas Hernández (White European, French and Spanish origin?)
    - Benjamin Mendy (Black; Senegalese ancestry; born in France)

    Midfielders [Whites at 1.0/6.0]
    - Paul Pogba (Black and Muslim; Guinean parents, born in Paris suburb)
    - Thomas Lemar (Black; born in Guadeloupe)
    - Corentin Tolisso (half-Black [father from Togo], half-White; born in France)
    - N'Golo Kanté (Black; parents emigrated from Mali in 1980; born/raised in Paris suburb)
    - Blaise Matuidi (Black; Angolan ancestry; parents refugees from Angolan Civil War; born Tolouse)
    - Steven Nzonzi (half-Black [Congo], half-White; born/raised in Paris suburb)

    Strikers [Whites at 3.0/6.0]
    - Antoine Griezmann (full European; French, German, Portuguese ancestry; born in central France)
    - Olivier Giroud (full European; part Italian through both grandmothers)
    - Kylian Mbappé (half-Black [Cameroon], half-Algerian [mother]; b. Paris; youngest player on squad [b. Dec. 1998])
    - Ousmane Dembélé (Black; Mauritian, Senegalese, Malian ancestry)
    - Nabil Fekir (both parents of Algerian origin; born in Lyon)
    - Florian Thauvin (full European; born in Lyon)

    _______________________________

    Totals for the France-2018 squad are:
    -- European ancestry at 33% [ 7.5/23.0].
    -- Subsaharan African ancestry at 52% [at 12.0/23.0].

    Even this seems to be a good deal Whiter of a team than some recent ones. I believe Jean-Marie Le Pen was threatened with race-hate prosecution over saying one of the previous national teams did not represent France; at that time it was something down closer to a 10%-White share.

    Note: The comparable figure for Germany-2018 (incoming champions) is: 85% European, 4% Subsaharan (two half-Blacks), 11% Muslim (two Turks and a half-Tunisian [Khedira]).

    Replies: @prosa123, @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @baked georgia

    When France won the World Cup in 1998 with a very racially mixed side the Guardian and BBC were ecstatic, it showed how multiculturalism united the nation etc etc. Not long after that the now-endemic riots started.

    (The England team yesterday started with 5 black players, three more came on as substitutes. In 1966 the only hint of diversity was George Cohen at full-back)

    Sam – one reason England doesn’t produce many great players now is that the top leagues are full of foreign mercenaries, so it’s harder to get top-level experience.

  111. @Steve Sailer
    @Hail

    The guy who scored the winning goal for Germany in the last World Cup looks kind of like Ryan Gosling and is a professor's son.

    Are there class differences in who plays soccer in different European countries? Soccer is quite middle class in the US, but very working class in some other countries.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @bored identity, @Cowboy shaw, @Englishman Abroad

    The Italian and Spanish teams are still almost entirely native, pretty much uniquely among the top European teams. In Italy in particular, there is still strong popular sentiment against darker-skinned players in the national team, echoing “swarthy-looking” South Americans’ desire to differentiate themselves from their full-African-ancestry compatriots. Mario Balotelli, Italian-born son of Ghanian immigrants to Sicily, was particularly reviled. Despite being adopted at a young-ish age and taking on the name of his adopted parents, his appearances in the blue of Italy were invariably greeted by the chant “Non ci sono neri Italiani!” – There are no black Italians!

    Of course, a lot of the hate for Balotelli was because despite being hugely impressive physically (and even technically), he was very poor tactically, which is perhaps the most important factor in the Italian game, where tactically aware players can keep going 10 years after they’d have to retire in the English league. I suspect that a lot of this is because in Italy, soccer is pretty middle-class game, with managers expected to complete the equivalent of a master’s degree in the theory of the sport at the national HQ, while in the English Premier, football is a working-class game (well-to-do people preferring rugby and cricket) featuring managers of multi-million clubs who are quite spectacularly stupid and inarticulate. The Italian game is very demanding tactically and extremely prefectionist; players are expected to last whole games making no errors whatsoever of the kind that everyone does 20 times per game in England, and to fit seamlessly and selflessly into the team’s pattern of play. Balotelli, however, conformed to certain popular beliefs about African sportspeople…

    African teams have always punched significantly below their weight at the World Cup due to their being hopeless tactically, never really displaying a “team vision”, despite the wealth of talent at their disposal. Well, the Word Cup has given up even the pretense of being about anything other than making money, crowbarring in African and Asian teams who, 99/100 times, would lose to Italy and the Netherlands, who didn’t make it through the far more competitive European qualifying stage.

    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
    @Englishman Abroad

    Harry Rednapp offering as a trial defence that he couldn't read was widely accepted as plausible. Until the arrival of foreign managers the moronic stupidity and incompetence of English football was staggering.

    Replies: @Englishman Abroad

  112. @Twinkie

    In America we are used to assuming that blacks are naturally the best athletes, so they must dominate soccer as well.
     
    Have you seen blacks play ping pong or engage in shooting sports?

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @theMann

    Have you seen blacks play ping pong or engage in shooting sports?

    Most shooting sports involve a rifle or shotgun, rather than a pistol. Negroes have no interest since they can’t figure out how to hold a rifle or shotgun sideways.

  113. @Hail
    France national team for 2018
    (Years of birth range from 1985 to 1998)

    Goalkeepers [Whites at 1.0/3.0]
    - Hugo Lloris (White European, all French origin?)
    - Steve Mandanda (Black; born in Congo)
    - Alphonse Areola (Filipino parents; born in Paris)

    Defenders [Whites at 2.5/8.0]
    - Benjamin Pavard (White European; born to local family near Belgian border)
    - Presnel Kimpembe (Black; half-Congolese, half-Haitian
    - Raphaël Varane (half-White, half-Black [Martinique])
    - Samuel Umtiti (Black; born in Cameroon)
    - Adil Rami (Moroccan parents; born in Corsica)
    - Djibril Sidibé (Black; Malian ancestry)
    - Lucas Hernández (White European, French and Spanish origin?)
    - Benjamin Mendy (Black; Senegalese ancestry; born in France)

    Midfielders [Whites at 1.0/6.0]
    - Paul Pogba (Black and Muslim; Guinean parents, born in Paris suburb)
    - Thomas Lemar (Black; born in Guadeloupe)
    - Corentin Tolisso (half-Black [father from Togo], half-White; born in France)
    - N'Golo Kanté (Black; parents emigrated from Mali in 1980; born/raised in Paris suburb)
    - Blaise Matuidi (Black; Angolan ancestry; parents refugees from Angolan Civil War; born Tolouse)
    - Steven Nzonzi (half-Black [Congo], half-White; born/raised in Paris suburb)

    Strikers [Whites at 3.0/6.0]
    - Antoine Griezmann (full European; French, German, Portuguese ancestry; born in central France)
    - Olivier Giroud (full European; part Italian through both grandmothers)
    - Kylian Mbappé (half-Black [Cameroon], half-Algerian [mother]; b. Paris; youngest player on squad [b. Dec. 1998])
    - Ousmane Dembélé (Black; Mauritian, Senegalese, Malian ancestry)
    - Nabil Fekir (both parents of Algerian origin; born in Lyon)
    - Florian Thauvin (full European; born in Lyon)

    _______________________________

    Totals for the France-2018 squad are:
    -- European ancestry at 33% [ 7.5/23.0].
    -- Subsaharan African ancestry at 52% [at 12.0/23.0].

    Even this seems to be a good deal Whiter of a team than some recent ones. I believe Jean-Marie Le Pen was threatened with race-hate prosecution over saying one of the previous national teams did not represent France; at that time it was something down closer to a 10%-White share.

    Note: The comparable figure for Germany-2018 (incoming champions) is: 85% European, 4% Subsaharan (two half-Blacks), 11% Muslim (two Turks and a half-Tunisian [Khedira]).

    Replies: @prosa123, @Steve Sailer, @Lot, @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @baked georgia

    more or less the same number as ‘whites’ than brazil team! the majority of brazillian players are mistery meat than black, though.

    in soccer, there’s a similar association with american football: the most creative playmakers and club managers/coaches are usually white

  114. @Matra
    @Stan d Mute

    Britain remained overwhelmingly British right up until the late 90s, and, no, Blair's immigration policies were not the inevitable result of Dunkirk as so many black-pilled right wingers would have us believe. Those who grew up in the decades after WW2 had the opportunity to have better lives than previous generations and for the most part did so. It's unlikely that life under German hegemony, particularly in the 40s and 50s, when the Nazis might've still been around, would've been anything to write home about. To think Europe's condition would've been any better than it is today is just rose-coloured counterfactual history and a form of escapism, sadly typical of failed reactionaries in general - paleos going on about the Civi...oops, sorry, War Between the States and Catholic Hrxers blaming the Reformation also come to mind.

    Replies: @The Man From K Street

    “Hrxers”?

  115. @Anonymous
    One thing that I have observed is that White Girls can do anything to get a Black Athlete's love and attention. They are Strong, Masculine, Manly and Tall. I have seen a lot of White Woman having children with Rich Blacks from Sub Saharan Africa and this thing is also happening in Ivy league colleges. White “man” cannot compete with Black Men or other Men of Color in the sexual marketplace. Men of Color are strong and athletic and have fought their whole lives while White men are weak dull effeminate clumsy and play video games Is it any wonder that white girls crave Black Men?
    Moreover, Miscegenation is wayy more common than what statistics tell you about it. White Men are losing White Woman. I can count on hand White Men with Non White women. But, White Woman are a class apart, they love to have mixed babies in their wombs it seems.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Buck Turgidson, @bomag, @Tiny Duck, @Forbes, @anon, @Mike Tre, @MBlanc46

    Why this celebration of dysfunction? Right along with homosexual as hero; trans-gendered as superior beings; women as combat soldiers; etc.

    The kool-aid is strong.

  116. @Steve Sailer
    @Jim Christian

    Golfers used to be more glamorous because they didn't wear hats, like Palmer in the 1960s or the big heads of blond hair on Nicklaus and Miller in the 1970s and Norman in the 1980s -- I recognized Norman from 500 yards away.

    But now they are scared of skin cancer and cataracts, so they wear hats and look pretty anonymous.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Buffalo Joe

    Steve Sailer says he identified the sun-fried blonde head of Greg Norman from 500 yards away?

    I say Paul Hogan has looked like a lesbian for the last twenty years, maybe more. Leprechaun Antipodean actor Paul Hogan had Linda Kozlowski when she looked good, I didn’t.

    I say Greg Norman is a showoff baby boomer geezer boy golfer who should keep his clothes on while posing like a fop for photographs. Norman looks like an antipodean Judy Dench in one of those calendars where ladies who should know better attack the rest of us with their awkward ancient nakedness.

    The best scene in Crocodile Dundee is when a scantily clad Linda Kozlowski is menaced by a crocodile and Paul Hogan rescues her.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Charles Pewitt

    Charles, Linda Kozlowski had fantastic butt cheeks. I would have wrestled a crocodile for a shot at that. And, don't assume I wrestle bisons because of my screen name.

    , @Jim Christian
    @Charles Pewitt

    All the names you mention besides Steve Sailer got/gets more pussy than Hugh Hefner. Norman choked at the Masters, but the guy is pretty bright. Of course, never mind his famous friendship with Bill Clinton and Michael Epstein. Those trips to Lolita Island meant nothing. I do believe Bill Clinton blew his knee at the estate of Greg Norman engaged in some depravity or another.

    Steve is more of an authority on this stuff than I, however. I think he's met all those characters in his travels.

  117. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    As long as certain phenotypes are prized, they will continue to exist. Hence, there are still whites in Mexico, for example, after 500 years of mixing.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Dave Pinsen

    And there are still some full blood American Indians after over 400 years of disease, slaughter and mixing.

    American Indians are more likely to marry outside their race than any other race in America, especially females. An Indian woman is even more likely to marry a white man than an Asian woman is.

    Despite all this there are and will continue to be full bloods.

    Some people prefer to marry their own kind.

    One time one of my kids came home from school repeating a claim that redheads would be extinct by mid century. I pointed out that my kid had redhead friends who would be middle aged but very much alive mid century.

    If one goes back 100 years, blue eyes were vastly more common in the US than they are now. But they still exist.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Paleo Liberal


    An Indian woman is even more likely to marry a white man than an Asian woman is.
     
    India is in Asia, last I checked....

    As for your blue eyes claim, do you have a source for that? Even excluding the post 1965 immigrants and their descendants, few of whom have blue eyes, the US population today is much bigger than it was 100 years ago.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Paleo Liberal

    Paleo, I worked with and for dozens of Native Americans. Few married outside of their tribe, let a lone their race. Around here the vast majority of NAs live on their reservations . I went to weddings for two of my Seneca friend's daughters. Both married NAs, but one married a brave from out west. Their wedding parties, bridesmaid, ushers etc. were all Senecas.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  118. @AnotherDad

    Here’s Forbes‘ list of the 20 highest paid soccer players of 2017
     
    Europeans actually go out and root for this crap?

    Even the Europeans, aren't even from your nation, much less your city. In that sense it's even worse than American football.

    You'd think some club owners would figure out they'd get some serious fan loyalty by sticking with players from their own nations--and especially local boys made good--who would have homes, wives, kids their in town.

    But i guess the American example--white folks rooting for these black atheletes recruited from around the nation with no connection to their town--pretty much answers my question. Bread and circuses. People--at least white people--will cheer for anyone.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Matra, @Sam, @Escher

    European football clubs (especially the English Premier League) have a huge fan following in Asian cities like Hong Kong and Singapore.

  119. @Steve Sailer
    @Carbon blob

    My vague impression is that the Dutch are the best nurturers of soccer talent.

    Replies: @Tacitus, @Sam, @Brutusale, @Sean Burgess

    They all do. Sporting FC snatched up Ronaldo from Madeira, where he grew up, when he was 12 years old.

    Can you imagine the Yankee$ signing 12-year olds to play in for a developmental team?

    According to Wiki, his parents named him after Ronald Reagan.

  120. @Steve Sailer
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    That's how in the good old days of Carnegie and Frick, robber barons would go to play golf at Shinnecock and the National: steam up in your yacht.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    That’s how in the good old days of Carnegie and Frick, robber barons would go to play golf at Shinnecock and the National: steam up in your yacht.

    No matter how fancy some of the mansions on the Hudson were and are, they still had a railroad line running in between their mansion and the mighty Hudson. They sunk the railroad bed to keep it out of sight and to minimize the sound, like Olmsted did with some of the roads running through Central Park.

    Of course, I ain’t talking about the mansions on the bluffs above the Hudson River.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Charles Pewitt

    Charles Pewitt:

    I understand that the value of Gore Vidal's property along the Hudson River skyrocketed once the New York Central ceased using steam locomotives on its Water Level Route.

  121. Give me a good swim meet anytime. Everyone has the same opportunity and no one can get in your lane and mess with you like they do in Track and Field. The best swimmers tend to win. Teams are chosen by the best times, not some silly social construct. And the powerhouses tend to be the United States and Australia, pretty agreeable folks.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Hannah Katz

    Yeah but everybody pees in the pool.

    No thanks.

  122. @Anon7
    I don’t think poor black kids are the major talent pool for professional sports any more.


    From 1960 to 1990, nearly half of blacks were born to unmarried parents. I would estimate that during this period roughly twice as many black N.B.A. players were born to married parents as unmarried parents. In other words, for every LeBron James, there was a Michael Jordan, born to a middle-class, two-parent family in Brooklyn, and a Chris Paul, the second son of middle-class parents in Lewisville, N.C....

    These results push back against the stereotype of a basketball player driven by an intense desire to escape poverty. In “The Last Shot,” Darcy Frey quotes a college coach questioning whether a suburban player was “hungry enough” to compete against black kids from the ghetto. But the data suggest that on average any motivational edge in hungriness is far outweighed by the advantages of kids from higher socioeconomic classes.

    What are these advantages? The first is in developing what economists call noncognitive skills like persistence, self-regulation and trust. We have grown accustomed to hearing about the importance of these qualities for success in school, but players in team sports rely on many of the same skills.

    The second relevant advantage of a relatively prosperous upbringing is height. The economist Robert W. Fogel has demonstrated the impact of improved early life nutrition on adult height over successive generations... [R]ecent research has found that poverty in modern America inhibits height. In basketball, the importance of every inch is enormous. I estimate that each additional inch almost doubles your chances of making the N.B.A.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/opinion/sunday/in-the-nba-zip-code-matters.html
     

    Replies: @Brutusale

    At the top of the Patriots’ draft mantra: players from two-parent families.

  123. @Twinkie
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.
     
    Soccer seems to reward dramatic flopping and pretending to be hurt from a little shouldering or ankle tripping....

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale, @anon, @sb

    A great commercial. Greg Louganis has nothing on these guys.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Brutusale

    That is hilarious. Mainly because it is so close to the truth.

    Soccer could be a watchable game with a few rule changes.

    1. A significant decrease in the size of the field. The game mainly consists of effeminate men standing around doing nothing. That's why they don't need timeouts or substitutions.

    2. Decrease the number of players on each side. Hockey has it right. Five on five, plus a goalie.

    3. Power plays awarded to the opposing team for faking injuries. The little cream puffs are constantly pretending to be hurt for no reason.

    4. Allow fighting if both guys want to go. Again, hockey gets it right. Why on God's earth would you ever stop two men from fighting if both are willing participants? It would completely eliminate the phony "hold me back" bravado. (This would also significantly improve the NBA.)

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

    , @Captain nascimento
    @Brutusale

    Good one. originally that was put out by a cheeky English newspaper titled something like "Italian national team training." those southern Europeans are such drama queens

  124. @(((Owen)))
    Soccer has already made its place in the American consciousness. The absolute top number one most popular pro-sports team in America is a soccer team now.

    And they're going to the World Cup, so Americans can root for them to win in Russia. That's right: It's the Mexican National Soccer team. America's favorites.

    ¡Viva!

    Replies: @fnn

    Isn’t Canelo more popular than the whole Mexican Soccer team?

  125. Note: soccer stars have lots of money and time on their hands to fiddle constantly with their looks, so any single picture isn’t very authoritative.

    These soccer guys are vain bastards who play a dumb sport, but their vanity brings to mind Francis Ford Coppola and Martin Sheen from a movie. Soccer guys and Hollywood actors are vain guys who make big money off their looks, so the vanity can be understood. It’s profitable for them.

    Coppola jumped on Martin Sheen’s vulnerabilities and vanity to get Sheen to go bananas in front of the mirror in Apocalypse Now:

    To make Sheen’s character vivid, Coppola relied on a dream. “I had a dream that somehow the key to getting the actor to disclose all that was in him was his vanity. Because Martin was a low-key person, such a good person, a handsome guy, very open, but you sensed that maybe there was a lot more to him. So I started goading him on his vanity. ‘Look at yourself in the mirror, you’re so handsome, look at your face, look at how beautiful you are,’ ” said Coppola. “He started to get really weird. He punched his own image in the mirror, and all this poured out of him.”

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/telluride-francis-ford-coppola-spills-729281

  126. OFF TOPIC

    Brimelow mentions Sailer

    Sailer bit mentioned by Brimelow:

    …although Obama claimed to be a uniter in 2008, in fact his 2012 campaign was scientifically divisive. The Obama coalition of fringe elements in American society is united by one main driving force: resentment of the core groups in American society—such as married white people. Hence the vitriol from the victors since Tuesday, with much chest pounding about the long-hoped for death of white America.

    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1005065686539030530

  127. @bored identity
    @Steve Sailer




    "...a lot of swarthy John Turturro-looking Southern Europeans like Ibrahimović..."

     

    bored identity has to offer this tiny miny huge correction to Steve's geo-phrenological observation:

    Although Zlatan Django-Stardust-Ibrahimovic does carry some Midterranean rhinal features - his real ethnic origin puts him in the epicenter of the former Tito's Muttlandia.

    Zlatan (Goldy in South-Slavic languages) Ibrahimovic's (Islamic variant of Abrahamovitz) heritage consists of equal parts of Bosnian, Croat, and/or Gypsy bloodlines; which in return turned him into one of the finest specimens of Malmö's Palmeolithic Era.



    "....Zlatan Ibrahimović is a Swedish footballer.

    His father, Šefik Ibrahimović, born in Bijeljina, is a Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim).

    His mother, Jurka Gravić, born in the village of Prkos, near Škabrnja, in Croatia’s Zadar County, is a Croatian Catholic.

    Zlatan grew up in Rosengård, a Malmö neighbourhood known for its immigrant communities.


    Growing up in Sweden, due to his mixed background, he was subjected to racist abuse and was cruelly nicknamed: ‘Zigge – the gypsy.’

    One of his first clubs was FBK Balkan.

    He is fluent in five languages.

    Zlatan has stated that he is a Catholic Christian.

    Zlatan’s paternal grandparents were Zećo Ibrahimović and Vasva Džinić.

    Zlatan is said to have Albanian and/or Romani ancestry.

    It is not clear if there is evidence for these statements."

    http://ethnicelebs.com/zlatan-ibrahimovic

     

    https://youtu.be/2mGtxWUwOsQ?t=5s

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/nintchdbpict000251386397.jpg?w=960


    Also, Roman Ibrahimovich's contribution in fighting against Igbo-American carpetdouchebaggery in Euro League is something that goes along Sailer's inquiry on ongoing Soccer Class Struggle:



    “I joined AC Milan in 2010 and our biggest league match was approaching. The Milan derby against Inter, whose most passionate fans — the Ultras — were going to hate me.”

    “On top of that, I had issues with Oguchi Onyewu, a guy in my team. He was an American the size of a house, and I told a mate in the squad:

    Something serious is gonna happen. I just feel it.”

    ‘Onyewu resembled a heavyweight boxer.

    He was nearly 6ft 5in and weighed over 15 stone, but he couldn’t handle me. He accused me of trash talking, but that wasn’t true.

    People trash talk me. I’ve heard so much s**t over the years: ‘F****** gypsy’, stuff about my mum — all that stuff.

    I retaliate with my body, not with words.”

    “I told Onyewu I did not trash talk, but he just kept on. He shushed me with his finger.
    Then he did it again. I saw red. I didn’t say anything, not a word.

    That b****** was going to find out how I trash-talk!
    The next time he got the ball in training; I rushed towards him and jumped up with my feet and studs out in front — the worst type of tackle.”

    “But he saw me and leapt out of the way. As we both crashed to the ground, my first thought was: ‘S**t! I’ve missed!’ As I got up and walked away I felt a blow to my shoulder.

    Not a good idea, Oguchi Onyewu.”

    “I headbutted him, and we flew at each other. We wanted to tear each other limb from limb. It was brutal. We were rolling around, punching and kneeing each other.

    We were crazy and furious — it was like life and death.”

    “Afterwards, the weirdest thing happened. Onyewu started praying to God with tears in his eyes, making the sign of the cross. This felt like a provocation, and I got more furious.

    I was stopped by my team-mates, and I suppose that was a good thing.

    It could have turned out nasty. All the time, I was thinking: ‘S***, my chest hurts,’ so we had it checked out. I’d broken a rib in the fight.”

    ‘It was not the first time I’d had a dispute with a team-mate.’

    (...)

    https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/when-oguchi-onyewu-broke-zlatan-ibrahimovic-rib-fight

    http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2010/11/05/2200429/fight-between-zlatan-ibrahimovic-and-oguchi-onyewu-forces

     

    Replies: @Pericles

    Remember the Bosnian war? The Ibrahimovic family were some out of many, many Bosnian muslim refugees who — somehow — ended up in Sweden and never left. Did this teach us Swedes anything? No.

    Also, now that I’ve read this site for a while, I’m starting to wonder wherefrom a name like “Ibrahimovic” hails. “Ibrahim” does seem muslim, though on the other hand, as we have recently learned, “Abramovic” turned out to have a right to return to Israel.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Pericles

    Pericles:

    To get them to depart the Irish government wound up paying Bosnian Muslim refugees to return home. Although I don't know how successful that particular caper turned out.

  128. @Twinkie

    In America we are used to assuming that blacks are naturally the best athletes, so they must dominate soccer as well.
     
    Have you seen blacks play ping pong or engage in shooting sports?

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @theMann

    Swimming, lacrosse, hockey, tennis, auto racing, horse racing, rowing, BMX, skiing, lumberjack competitions, or Bass Masters?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @theMann

    Weightlifting, gymnastics, all winter sports, archery,....

    Virtually nothing on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @theMann

    the Mann, The NCAA Div. I lacrosse championship was on Memorial Day. The final four teams, Duke, Albany,Maryland and Yale probably had a combined 3 blacks on their rosters. Albany had none, but 7 native Americans, so they were diverse, but not Lib Left diverse.

  129. From the country that used to be held up to Americans as the ideal, enlightened welfare state.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20180608/sweden-jails-ghana-international-sarfo-for-raping-girl

    Ghana didn’t qualify, so he won’t be missed.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20180608/two-jailed-in-swedish-juju-human-trafficking-trial

    “Two people have been jailed for human trafficking in southern Sweden in a case where Juju was used to force women into prostitution.

    The pair lured two women from Nigeria to Malmö with the promise of a job, but instead pushed them into prostitution with the aid of Juju – a witchcraft-like religion from West Africa that has been hijacked by some human traffickers in order to blackmail victims.”

    What would Ingmar Bergman make of it all? But it’s this little detail that strikes one – only in Sweden (at the moment),

    “Three men who provided witness testimonies in the case were found guilty of purchasing sex and were fined.”

    I can see that if you knew the women were under duress you’d be committing an offence. But it’s insane hubris to simultaneously try to ban the oldest profession and build a successful, liberal and multicultural society. Either one of those would be quite a big enough challenge, never having been done.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @YetAnotherAnon


    But it’s insane hubris to simultaneously try to ban the oldest profession and build a successful, liberal and multicultural society.

     

    Note that in Sweden it's illegal to buy sex but not illegal to sell it. Very clever, wouldn't you say? I think Sweden was first to introduce this law, but other countries are now looking to introduce it too.

    Also, if anyone remembers the crazedness of "yes means yes" in Berkeley a while back, why, Sweden has furthermore just introduced a law to that effect (July 1). Just because we're incapable of convicting hardcore migrant criminals doesn't mean we can't move quickly with legislation when we want to!

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44230786

  130. @Paleo Liberal
    @Dave Pinsen

    And there are still some full blood American Indians after over 400 years of disease, slaughter and mixing.

    American Indians are more likely to marry outside their race than any other race in America, especially females. An Indian woman is even more likely to marry a white man than an Asian woman is.

    Despite all this there are and will continue to be full bloods.

    Some people prefer to marry their own kind.


    One time one of my kids came home from school repeating a claim that redheads would be extinct by mid century. I pointed out that my kid had redhead friends who would be middle aged but very much alive mid century.


    If one goes back 100 years, blue eyes were vastly more common in the US than they are now. But they still exist.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Buffalo Joe

    An Indian woman is even more likely to marry a white man than an Asian woman is.

    India is in Asia, last I checked….

    As for your blue eyes claim, do you have a source for that? Even excluding the post 1965 immigrants and their descendants, few of whom have blue eyes, the US population today is much bigger than it was 100 years ago.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @AndrewR

    I often use the term American Indian in deference to the late Michael Two Horses, who HATED being called Native American. He said American Indian put American first, which is appropriate since we American Indians are the first Americans.

    http://www.nativeweb.org/obituaries/two_horses.html

    No, I don't have a reference to the falling percentage of Americans with blue eyes. I suppose if you really cared you would use Google until you found it.

    But you seem to be more interested in nit picking than intelligent discussion, so I won't bother to look it up.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  131. istevefan says:
    @(((Owen)))
    @AnotherDad

    Except the course of national dispossession wasn't set in the 1960s. The 1965 Hart-Cellar Act tightened up Latin American immigration and slightly loosened Asian immigration while leaving total numbers alone.

    Perhaps you've noticed where most of the third world immigration to the US came from in the 1965-1990 period; it wasn't China.

    The displacement of destruction of the western nations really didn't start until the 1980s. The amnesty of 1986 and the massive Reagan-Bush immigration expansion raised immigration from a bit over 2-400k to 1.5+MM mainly with the 1990 immigration law.

    So let's blame the generation that deserves it: It was the Greatests and the Boomers that loved Reagan and Bush. Those are the ones that sold out America. Despise them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @istevefan

    Except the course of national dispossession wasn’t set in the 1960s. The 1965 Hart-Cellar Act tightened up Latin American immigration and slightly loosened Asian immigration while leaving total numbers alone.

    The 1965 Immigration Act established that the USA no longer considered itself a white or European nation. That was significant. That was huge. That laid the foundation for everything else that followed. Prior to this we had had naturalization laws that limited naturalization to free whites. We had to modify them after the Civil War because of the poison pill we inherited.

    Up to that point in our history we had implemented various policies to curb any intrusions from non Europeans. We also had no qualms about rounding up border crossers and deporting them, e.g. Operation Wetback.

    We even tried to fine tune immigration to prioritize NW Europeans over other Europeans, e.g. 1924.

    So don’t try to dismiss the 1965 act because it did not immediately blow the doors off immigration. Similar to Australia abandoning the “White Australia” policy, the 1965 act abandoned any notion of a “White America” and paved the way for the other acts to follow.

    It’s sort of like gay marriage did not directly lead to trannies in the bathroom. But after gay marriage was established, it wasn’t a stretch to see it leading to the tranny issue. Even Sailer predicted WWT as the logical successor to WWG.

    The 1965 act was the crack in the door that allowed the other follow on acts to kick that door open.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @istevefan

    We had to modify them after the Civil War because of the poison pill we inherited.

    What poison pill?

  132. @Anonymous
    One thing that I have observed is that White Girls can do anything to get a Black Athlete's love and attention. They are Strong, Masculine, Manly and Tall. I have seen a lot of White Woman having children with Rich Blacks from Sub Saharan Africa and this thing is also happening in Ivy league colleges. White “man” cannot compete with Black Men or other Men of Color in the sexual marketplace. Men of Color are strong and athletic and have fought their whole lives while White men are weak dull effeminate clumsy and play video games Is it any wonder that white girls crave Black Men?
    Moreover, Miscegenation is wayy more common than what statistics tell you about it. White Men are losing White Woman. I can count on hand White Men with Non White women. But, White Woman are a class apart, they love to have mixed babies in their wombs it seems.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Buck Turgidson, @bomag, @Tiny Duck, @Forbes, @anon, @Mike Tre, @MBlanc46

    I agree I totally agree

    white girls desire Men of Colour because they want strong children

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    @Tiny Duck

    I wonder if Nicole Brown Simpson's children are strong?

  133. There’s some truth to Steve’s jibe that we need immigrants to provide America with diverse cuisines. America’s culture is largely English/Irish/Scottish and none of these nations is famous for its food, The Scots are regularly ridiculed for Haggis. When I went to Ireland I discovered that every restaurant or pub meal typically had two types of potatoes served. And of course no one who had ever read about the musing on British cuisine by the literary character James Bond would ever willingly eat English food.

    The French maintain the conceit that cooking is an art, a dubious notion at best, but it does result in much excellent food. In America I’m told the most important and popular ethnic cuisine is Italian. If so, the acclaim is well deserved. Lately America has gone crazy for Thai food. The simple reason is that the Thai government promoted Thai food as a way for their people to gain a foothold in America. Worked.

    Chinese cuisine seems to be declining because so much of it except in central city Chinatowns is prepared in batches and set onto steamtables. This kills most Chinese stir fry dishes. Indian curries do well on steam tables. Only Nan has to be made and served immediately.

    Finally we come to real American food. The food of the Indians. There is no Algonquin or Mohawk food that I know of but the Mexican Indians have made a real contribution. They invented Maize. They didn’t have any large domesticated meat animals except people. That meat choice fortunately, never became popular with the other peoples who came here. As the population approaches “Soylent Green” status maybe that too will again become popular.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Pat Boyle

    It's been pointed out that the Japanese have a much better model: send out your chefs to learn another country's cuisine, and they can bring back all that richness.

    Replies: @istevefan

    , @Roderick Spode
    @Pat Boyle


    They didn’t have any large domesticated meat animals except people.
     
    Paddy B. killing it with the sarcasm again.
  134. @Dave Pinsen
    Interesting to see that Robin Van Persie is still in the top 20, despite playing in Turkey now. He scored the most spectacular goal of the last World Cup for The Netherlands, but they didn't qualify this year.

    https://youtu.be/z0Q1EVnVNTs

    Replies: @Captain Tripps

    That was a fantastic goal; reminiscent of Roberto Baggio against Spain as well in 1994:

    Outside of putting it all together and winning it in 2010, Spain always seems to get snakebit in the tournament…

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Captain Tripps

    For those who don't recognize it, that game was played in the late Foxboro Stadium.

  135. Anonymous[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, France will *inevitably* become a majority black/brown non European nation sometime this century. Likely the descendants of the indigenous French will have to fight eye-to-eye the imported afro/Asian population for the possession of their native land.

    Curiously, the game of ‘Association Football’ was devised by England’s Public (private) schools as a means of subliminating the ‘warrior’ ethos in the scions of military families – ‘the Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton’.

    So in this respect, it’s interesting to speculate on who will breed the most effective warriors in the upcoming century? The French de souche or the Beurs?

  136. @songbird
    Anyone seen the rainbow colors on some of the teams' jersey numbers? It is truly bizarre to see a global homosexual sign marked on national uniforms, and in a men's sport.

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Tyrion 2, @Reg Cæsar, @stillCARealist

    There was a rainbow flag flying next to the American flag and MA flag at the Boston airport last week. Is it always there?

    Must be one queer airport.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @stillCARealist

    Probably for "Pride month."

    , @sayless
    @stillCARealist

    There's a rainbow flag displayed on the concourse in Penn Station too.

  137. Anonymous[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    @songbird

    On the other hand, there have been very few openly gay footballers

    Until quite recently, the only one anyone had heard of was Justin Fashanu. He was Britain's first £1 million black footballer, which used to be considered real money.

    After announcing he was gay in 1990, he happily told the press that his teammates were perfectly accepting despite the ribbing he received.

    Previously, his legendary manager Brian Clough had been confused by the whole thing, as Clough recounted: "'Where do you go if you want a loaf of bread?' I asked him. 'A baker's, I suppose.' 'Where do you go if you want a leg of lamb?' 'A butcher's.' 'So why do you keep going to that bloody poofs' club?"'

    Sadly later, he ended up being accused of assaulting a 17 year old boy in America amd committed suicide under the attention.

    Other than that, there's been a couple of nobodies and a pretty decent German player, but all in the 2010s.

    Statistically, this does not make sense, but there's no straightfoward explanation. The media line is that it is homophobia but that really doesn't cut it. It fails not only because it is another case of media prejudices being stuck in the now distant past but also because it mistakenly sees causation only going one way. Also, as you say, look at the flags they all wear now.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Vintage Clough.

  138. @Stan d Mute
    OT - another iStevey piece:

    The overall homicide arrest rate in the 50 cities is 49 percent, but in these areas of impunity, police make arrests less than 33 percent of the time. Despite a nationwide drop in violence to historic lows, 34 of the 50 cities have a lower homicide arrest rate now than a decade ago.

    Some cities, such as Baltimore and Chicago, solve so few homicides that vast areas stretching for miles experience hundreds of homicides with virtually no arrests.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/where-murders-go-unsolved/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.13867b6b96d2

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Forbes

    More evidence that nobody really cares about gang homicide victims. I mean, apart from the few family members directly involved, the rest of us realize that these punks largely have it comin’. Why should the police waste time and resources on murders that just clear out a piece of the criminal population?

    It’s a terrible way for a society to react, but I doubt it’s ever been different. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

  139. @Anonymous
    One thing that I have observed is that White Girls can do anything to get a Black Athlete's love and attention. They are Strong, Masculine, Manly and Tall. I have seen a lot of White Woman having children with Rich Blacks from Sub Saharan Africa and this thing is also happening in Ivy league colleges. White “man” cannot compete with Black Men or other Men of Color in the sexual marketplace. Men of Color are strong and athletic and have fought their whole lives while White men are weak dull effeminate clumsy and play video games Is it any wonder that white girls crave Black Men?
    Moreover, Miscegenation is wayy more common than what statistics tell you about it. White Men are losing White Woman. I can count on hand White Men with Non White women. But, White Woman are a class apart, they love to have mixed babies in their wombs it seems.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Buck Turgidson, @bomag, @Tiny Duck, @Forbes, @anon, @Mike Tre, @MBlanc46

    Tiny Dick found a ghost writer…

  140. @Lot
    @Hail


    Alphonse Areola
     
    Laurent Labia
    Pierre Pubis-Mons
    Valérie Giscard d'Vulva
    Clovis Clitoralhood

    Replies: @snorlax

    Les Bien
    Uri Favre
    Willy Petit
    Thib Lacoque
    Jacques Auve
    Ruben Vaganay

  141. There’s a couple more reasons why association football is not (yet) filled with blacks, although one would think so if they just watched the French and English leagues: size and athleticism isn’t an overwhelming advantage, if you don’t know what to do with the ball and where to be on the pitch at any time during the game; and handling a football without using your hands requires more talent than handling a basketball or an NFL football.

    That said, the number of blacks playing football in Europe has been steadily increasing in recent years, though I highly doubt it will ever reach the numbers of NFL and NBA due to the nature of the sport.

    Here’s a rough breakdown of the English, French, and German national football team rosters, counting the 23 players who will compete in the World Cup, plus any recent call-ups:

    England:
    White: 26 (54%)
    Mixed (usually black father-white mother): 11 (23%)
    Black (mostly Caribbean, a few African): 11 (23%)

    France:
    White (including non-French): 12 (31%)
    Mixed (usually black father-white mother): 6 (15%)
    Black (mainly African and French overseas territories): 16 (41%)
    Maghreb: 3 (8%)
    Other (Philippines, Reunion): 2 (5%)

    Germany:
    White German: 24 (66%)
    Mixed (usually black father-white mother): 5 (14%)
    Black: 1 (3%)
    Other (Turkish, Tunisian-German, Albanian, not necessarily non-white): 6 (17%)

    *The French WC roster is even less white, and the German one has more ethnic Germans.

    England has the highest proportion of mixed black-white players in Europe and France has gone the way of the US, when it comes to football (and basketball) at least.

    Overall, though, blacks are way overrepresented in asssociation football in every European country, so genetics still play a significant role in that, innit?

  142. @Pat Boyle
    There's some truth to Steve's jibe that we need immigrants to provide America with diverse cuisines. America's culture is largely English/Irish/Scottish and none of these nations is famous for its food, The Scots are regularly ridiculed for Haggis. When I went to Ireland I discovered that every restaurant or pub meal typically had two types of potatoes served. And of course no one who had ever read about the musing on British cuisine by the literary character James Bond would ever willingly eat English food.

    The French maintain the conceit that cooking is an art, a dubious notion at best, but it does result in much excellent food. In America I'm told the most important and popular ethnic cuisine is Italian. If so, the acclaim is well deserved. Lately America has gone crazy for Thai food. The simple reason is that the Thai government promoted Thai food as a way for their people to gain a foothold in America. Worked.

    Chinese cuisine seems to be declining because so much of it except in central city Chinatowns is prepared in batches and set onto steamtables. This kills most Chinese stir fry dishes. Indian curries do well on steam tables. Only Nan has to be made and served immediately.

    Finally we come to real American food. The food of the Indians. There is no Algonquin or Mohawk food that I know of but the Mexican Indians have made a real contribution. They invented Maize. They didn't have any large domesticated meat animals except people. That meat choice fortunately, never became popular with the other peoples who came here. As the population approaches "Soylent Green" status maybe that too will again become popular.

    Replies: @bomag, @Roderick Spode

    It’s been pointed out that the Japanese have a much better model: send out your chefs to learn another country’s cuisine, and they can bring back all that richness.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @bomag

    Rick Bayless went to Mexico and now is probably the foremost Mexican cuisine chef in America.


    Bayless was born in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, into a family of restaurateurs and grocers specializing in the local barbecue. He is the younger brother of sports journalist and television personality, Skip Bayless. Having begun his culinary training as a youth, Bayless broadened his interests to include regional Mexican cooking as an undergraduate student of Spanish and Latin American culture. After finishing his undergraduate education at the University of Oklahoma, he did doctoral work in anthropological linguistics at the University of Michigan and, from 1980 to 1986, lived in Mexico with his wife, Deann, writing his first book, Authentic Mexican: Regional Cooking from the Heart of Mexico
     

    Replies: @BobX

  143. @Stan d Mute
    OT - another iStevey piece:

    The overall homicide arrest rate in the 50 cities is 49 percent, but in these areas of impunity, police make arrests less than 33 percent of the time. Despite a nationwide drop in violence to historic lows, 34 of the 50 cities have a lower homicide arrest rate now than a decade ago.

    Some cities, such as Baltimore and Chicago, solve so few homicides that vast areas stretching for miles experience hundreds of homicides with virtually no arrests.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/where-murders-go-unsolved/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.13867b6b96d2

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Forbes

    Snitches get stitches is a regular feature of those “areas of impunity.”

  144. istevefan says:
    @bomag
    @Pat Boyle

    It's been pointed out that the Japanese have a much better model: send out your chefs to learn another country's cuisine, and they can bring back all that richness.

    Replies: @istevefan

    Rick Bayless went to Mexico and now is probably the foremost Mexican cuisine chef in America.

    Bayless was born in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, into a family of restaurateurs and grocers specializing in the local barbecue. He is the younger brother of sports journalist and television personality, Skip Bayless. Having begun his culinary training as a youth, Bayless broadened his interests to include regional Mexican cooking as an undergraduate student of Spanish and Latin American culture. After finishing his undergraduate education at the University of Oklahoma, he did doctoral work in anthropological linguistics at the University of Michigan and, from 1980 to 1986, lived in Mexico with his wife, Deann, writing his first book, Authentic Mexican: Regional Cooking from the Heart of Mexico

    • Replies: @BobX
    @istevefan

    "probably the foremost Mexican cuisine chef in America"

    I don't know about America, but his place is the best food you can get in ORD

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

  145. @Sam
    @Steve Sailer

    You are completely correct. They have been punching above their weight at an incredible rate for over 40 years ever since the spectacular and intellectual Total Football teams of 70’s that changed football into a tactical and smart sport.*

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hfqTy2bJzmU

    The Dutch are quite known for their youth academies and relying on young players with Ajax being the prime example. Italians following national stereotype have historically distrusted youth and prefered extending the life of old players. The French centralized elite national youth development in Clairefontaine in Paris, of course.

    *The Soviet came up with the same scientific approach to the sport at the same time. A fantastic book on the cultural and tactical side of football is Jonathan Wilson’s The Inverted Pyramid. He starts with the formation of the sport in British universities and goes through the spreading to rest of the world as well as covering the big moments at the World Cup and club football.https://www.amazon.com/Inverting-Pyramid-History-Soccer-Tactics/dp/1568587384/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528448540&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=jonathan+wilson+pyramid&dpPl=1&dpID=51JZYQnim9L&ref=plSrch

    Replies: @Bill B.

    He starts with the formation of the sport in British universities

    No, no, no.

    British public (private) schools.

  146. BobX [AKA "Bob who makes connecting flights in Chicago"] says:
    @istevefan
    @bomag

    Rick Bayless went to Mexico and now is probably the foremost Mexican cuisine chef in America.


    Bayless was born in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, into a family of restaurateurs and grocers specializing in the local barbecue. He is the younger brother of sports journalist and television personality, Skip Bayless. Having begun his culinary training as a youth, Bayless broadened his interests to include regional Mexican cooking as an undergraduate student of Spanish and Latin American culture. After finishing his undergraduate education at the University of Oklahoma, he did doctoral work in anthropological linguistics at the University of Michigan and, from 1980 to 1986, lived in Mexico with his wife, Deann, writing his first book, Authentic Mexican: Regional Cooking from the Heart of Mexico
     

    Replies: @BobX

    “probably the foremost Mexican cuisine chef in America”

    I don’t know about America, but his place is the best food you can get in ORD

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    @BobX

    The torta place? I go there because I like his bro but I don't know not a huge fan.

  147. @Hannah Katz
    Give me a good swim meet anytime. Everyone has the same opportunity and no one can get in your lane and mess with you like they do in Track and Field. The best swimmers tend to win. Teams are chosen by the best times, not some silly social construct. And the powerhouses tend to be the United States and Australia, pretty agreeable folks.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    Yeah but everybody pees in the pool.

    No thanks.

  148. @Fredrik
    @Steve Sailer

    If you have to choose then it's working class in most of Europe. The game is popular enough to attract most youngsters for a while at least. The rugby codes are middle class in the UK.

    A funny, or infuriating, thing happened when the Swedish team was presented. This time a journalist from the state controlled channels asked why the team wasn't very diverse. He then proceeded to suggest that the coach could have missed diverse talents by being blind to their presence.

    Out of 23 players there are 2 mulatto and 1 middle eastern player.

    Replies: @Matra

    A funny, or infuriating, thing happened when the Swedish team was presented. This time a journalist from the state controlled channels asked why the team wasn’t very diverse. He then proceeded to suggest that the coach could have missed diverse talents by being blind to their presence.

    Out of 23 players there are 2 mulatto and 1 middle eastern player.

    That non-diverse Swedish team knocked out Italy. Off the top of my head I don’t recall any of the more recent diverse Swedish sides defeating any teams of Italy’s calibre in an important match.

  149. @Steve Sailer
    @Jim Christian

    Golfers used to be more glamorous because they didn't wear hats, like Palmer in the 1960s or the big heads of blond hair on Nicklaus and Miller in the 1970s and Norman in the 1980s -- I recognized Norman from 500 yards away.

    But now they are scared of skin cancer and cataracts, so they wear hats and look pretty anonymous.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Buffalo Joe

    Steve, the PGA golfers and LPGA golfers wear hats because they get big bucks for wearing those logoed caps. No endorsement money and more than a few would probably shed the cap. Years ago golfers wore a flat hat and not baseball hats.

  150. @Charles Pewitt
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve Sailer says he identified the sun-fried blonde head of Greg Norman from 500 yards away?

    I say Paul Hogan has looked like a lesbian for the last twenty years, maybe more. Leprechaun Antipodean actor Paul Hogan had Linda Kozlowski when she looked good, I didn't.

    I say Greg Norman is a showoff baby boomer geezer boy golfer who should keep his clothes on while posing like a fop for photographs. Norman looks like an antipodean Judy Dench in one of those calendars where ladies who should know better attack the rest of us with their awkward ancient nakedness.

    The best scene in Crocodile Dundee is when a scantily clad Linda Kozlowski is menaced by a crocodile and Paul Hogan rescues her.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jim Christian

    Charles, Linda Kozlowski had fantastic butt cheeks. I would have wrestled a crocodile for a shot at that. And, don’t assume I wrestle bisons because of my screen name.

  151. @Paleo Liberal
    @Dave Pinsen

    And there are still some full blood American Indians after over 400 years of disease, slaughter and mixing.

    American Indians are more likely to marry outside their race than any other race in America, especially females. An Indian woman is even more likely to marry a white man than an Asian woman is.

    Despite all this there are and will continue to be full bloods.

    Some people prefer to marry their own kind.


    One time one of my kids came home from school repeating a claim that redheads would be extinct by mid century. I pointed out that my kid had redhead friends who would be middle aged but very much alive mid century.


    If one goes back 100 years, blue eyes were vastly more common in the US than they are now. But they still exist.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Buffalo Joe

    Paleo, I worked with and for dozens of Native Americans. Few married outside of their tribe, let a lone their race. Around here the vast majority of NAs live on their reservations . I went to weddings for two of my Seneca friend’s daughters. Both married NAs, but one married a brave from out west. Their wedding parties, bridesmaid, ushers etc. were all Senecas.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    Elizabeth Warren?

  152. @Anonymous
    Ronaldo is part Cape Verdean, which is a mulatto and black population.

    Replies: @for-the-record

    Ronaldo is part Cape Verdean

    one-eighth, to be precise

  153. Latest FIFA soccer rankings right before the World Cup:

    1. Germany, 7. France, 8. Poland, 10. Spain
    12. England, 15. Mexico, 19. Italy, 25. USA,
    35. Ukraine, 42. Scotland, 51. Hungary, 61. Japan,
    63. Finland, 70. Russia, 79. Canada, 93. Israel

    A total of 100 countries are listed.
    Why do Russia and Israel rank so poorly? Don’t they believe
    in “Mens sana in corpore sano” (A healthy mind in a healthy body)?

  154. I always said I wished I could sing like Pavarotti and play soccer for Inter Milan. But, even though I will watch some World Cup games, I still can’t get the sound of those annoying effing horns that the crowd blew all game long when the WC was held in South Africa.

  155. @istevefan
    @(((Owen)))


    Except the course of national dispossession wasn’t set in the 1960s. The 1965 Hart-Cellar Act tightened up Latin American immigration and slightly loosened Asian immigration while leaving total numbers alone.

     

    The 1965 Immigration Act established that the USA no longer considered itself a white or European nation. That was significant. That was huge. That laid the foundation for everything else that followed. Prior to this we had had naturalization laws that limited naturalization to free whites. We had to modify them after the Civil War because of the poison pill we inherited.

    Up to that point in our history we had implemented various policies to curb any intrusions from non Europeans. We also had no qualms about rounding up border crossers and deporting them, e.g. Operation Wetback.

    We even tried to fine tune immigration to prioritize NW Europeans over other Europeans, e.g. 1924.

    So don't try to dismiss the 1965 act because it did not immediately blow the doors off immigration. Similar to Australia abandoning the "White Australia" policy, the 1965 act abandoned any notion of a "White America" and paved the way for the other acts to follow.

    It's sort of like gay marriage did not directly lead to trannies in the bathroom. But after gay marriage was established, it wasn't a stretch to see it leading to the tranny issue. Even Sailer predicted WWT as the logical successor to WWG.

    The 1965 act was the crack in the door that allowed the other follow on acts to kick that door open.

    Replies: @Anon

    We had to modify them after the Civil War because of the poison pill we inherited.

    What poison pill?

  156. Poland has a great player, Robert Lewandowski (6’1″), who is currently
    with Bayern Munich. There are rumors that Manchester United just
    made him a huge offer. At $15 million a year he is definitely underpaid.
    His net worth is currently $45 million. He’ll easily reach $200 million
    toward the end of his soccer stardom.

  157. France’s black players overwhelmingly were raised in Africa, got visas to play professionally in France and only then joined the national team. Most are not coming from ghettos in France. This is well known in the football world. The NYT is trying to project an American template on France.

  158. @theMann
    @Twinkie

    Swimming, lacrosse, hockey, tennis, auto racing, horse racing, rowing, BMX, skiing, lumberjack competitions, or Bass Masters?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Buffalo Joe

    Weightlifting, gymnastics, all winter sports, archery,….

    Virtually nothing on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports

  159. @anon
    @syonredux

    Sounds like the EU.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Sounds like the EU.

    EU on steroids…..with German dominance massively amplified…..the whole thing would have been a powder keg of resentment….

  160. @Steve Sailer
    @Carbon blob

    My vague impression is that the Dutch are the best nurturers of soccer talent.

    Replies: @Tacitus, @Sam, @Brutusale, @Sean Burgess

    If you’re interested in how the Dutch nurture future stars, here’s a good article from 2010:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/magazine/06Soccer-t.html

  161. Speaking of sports…

    WATCH: Two Transgenders Blow Out Girls In State Meet

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/31605/watch-two-transgenders-blow-out-girls-state-meet-hank-berrien

    Unknown if the “biological” boys are going through sex realignment surgery or it’s a matter of gender identity ( they felt they were girls the day of the race )

    • Replies: @Marty T
    @jill

    Looks like that tranny winning the state title last year encouraged a second to join the CT track ranks. Feminists, what say you?

  162. @Twinkie
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.
     
    Soccer seems to reward dramatic flopping and pretending to be hurt from a little shouldering or ankle tripping....

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale, @anon, @sb

    Flopping in soccer is mostly a Latin(o) thing and other low latitude persuasions. I.e., people who tend to cheat also cheat on the soccer pitch.
    There is now a lot of flopping and acting in basketball, particularly the NBA, and not limited to foreigners, either.

  163. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:
    @m___
    Wonders' one how many ethnic, by race, mother or father, Jewish involucrated individuals there are in the soccer environment surroundings(more importantly since more money is to be made), and participating(limited to players and logistics to the players at a first level).

    An industry not invaded by Jewish influence?, and having such a controlling possible effect on bulk humanity worldwide? That is what one calls a "hole in the market"(Western European slang for missed opportunity) to Jewish interests. It does not compare to off-shoring to Israel, but still a large chunk for upper middle class players(involved in anything the moving circus wants and generates) to be made.

    Especially the trading, no different from stocks and bonds and currency speculation, of players. What genius Jewish programmer can come up with an "algorithm" to be copied from the existing amalgam stock trading uses, or at least who is the Jewish owner who employs the nerd on duty.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It does not compare to off-shoring to Israel, but still a large chunk for upper middle class players(involved in anything the moving circus wants and generates) to be made.

    By “players,” do you mean soccer players or middlemen?

    What is “the moving circus”?

    Especially the trading, no different from stocks and bonds and currency speculation, of players.

    And perhaps with some affinity to trade in slaves.

  164. @BobX
    @istevefan

    "probably the foremost Mexican cuisine chef in America"

    I don't know about America, but his place is the best food you can get in ORD

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

    The torta place? I go there because I like his bro but I don’t know not a huge fan.

  165. @Brutusale
    @Twinkie

    A great commercial. Greg Louganis has nothing on these guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8v_NAYpbfQ

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Captain nascimento

    That is hilarious. Mainly because it is so close to the truth.

    Soccer could be a watchable game with a few rule changes.

    1. A significant decrease in the size of the field. The game mainly consists of effeminate men standing around doing nothing. That’s why they don’t need timeouts or substitutions.

    2. Decrease the number of players on each side. Hockey has it right. Five on five, plus a goalie.

    3. Power plays awarded to the opposing team for faking injuries. The little cream puffs are constantly pretending to be hurt for no reason.

    4. Allow fighting if both guys want to go. Again, hockey gets it right. Why on God’s earth would you ever stop two men from fighting if both are willing participants? It would completely eliminate the phony “hold me back” bravado. (This would also significantly improve the NBA.)

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    I kind of guessing you've never played hockey because if you've ever been on skates you'd know that it's impossible to use anything but your arms on a punch. It's pretty hard to knock someone unconscious on skates. A 6'11" basketball player putting his full body into a punch- that would he a different story. That's why hockey is the only sport to allow fighting.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Brutusale

  166. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    I'll just leave this here: https://nypost.com/2016/06/12/professor-who-donates-sperm-in-city-bathrooms-has-sired-22-kids/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Clyde, @anon

    Our society is falling apart because of people like this guy and the women he “helped out”. They are no different from animals, like a lion with his den of lioness. The degeneracy encouraged by liberalism is what’s killing the west.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @anon

    On the one hand, I can understand your reaction to this divergence from traditional procreation. On the other hand, if heredity determines outcomes far more than environment does, than maybe some good will come from this.

  167. @Anonymous
    One thing that I have observed is that White Girls can do anything to get a Black Athlete's love and attention. They are Strong, Masculine, Manly and Tall. I have seen a lot of White Woman having children with Rich Blacks from Sub Saharan Africa and this thing is also happening in Ivy league colleges. White “man” cannot compete with Black Men or other Men of Color in the sexual marketplace. Men of Color are strong and athletic and have fought their whole lives while White men are weak dull effeminate clumsy and play video games Is it any wonder that white girls crave Black Men?
    Moreover, Miscegenation is wayy more common than what statistics tell you about it. White Men are losing White Woman. I can count on hand White Men with Non White women. But, White Woman are a class apart, they love to have mixed babies in their wombs it seems.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Buck Turgidson, @bomag, @Tiny Duck, @Forbes, @anon, @Mike Tre, @MBlanc46

    Jewish women love black men. White women not so much.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @anon

    The one Jewish woman I know of who dated a black man did it on vacation in the Caribbean. When she got home she married a rich Jewish guy.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  168. But soccer has been very slow to adopt American kibbitzers’ suggestions to make changes to make the game more TV friendly, such as more time outs, and thus better suited to West African short-burst explosiveness, like basketball and American football.

    Soccer’s already plenty popular, and omnipresent on TV, almost everywhere in the world other than in the US. And the rest of the world really doesn’t care what Americans think about soccer; they definitely don’t want American suggestions on how to change the game. As for this World Cup, it was probably lucky for you guys that you failed to qualify; given the nature of US-Russia relations, the team might have been forced to boycott the event anyway.

  169. More stupidity from NY city. From the argument we all understand that the preponderance of black basketball players in the NBA is because they all lived on farms as children! The boring, incestuous group-think of NY media is on display is this NYT article and unz column.

    One might consider that of the last five World and European Cups, Spain has won three – and is not a particularly black side. 50% of the Spanish think their team will at least reach the final this time.

  170. @YetAnotherAnon
    From the country that used to be held up to Americans as the ideal, enlightened welfare state.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20180608/sweden-jails-ghana-international-sarfo-for-raping-girl

    Ghana didn't qualify, so he won't be missed.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20180608/two-jailed-in-swedish-juju-human-trafficking-trial


    "Two people have been jailed for human trafficking in southern Sweden in a case where Juju was used to force women into prostitution.

    The pair lured two women from Nigeria to Malmö with the promise of a job, but instead pushed them into prostitution with the aid of Juju – a witchcraft-like religion from West Africa that has been hijacked by some human traffickers in order to blackmail victims."
     

    What would Ingmar Bergman make of it all? But it's this little detail that strikes one - only in Sweden (at the moment),

    "Three men who provided witness testimonies in the case were found guilty of purchasing sex and were fined."

    I can see that if you knew the women were under duress you'd be committing an offence. But it's insane hubris to simultaneously try to ban the oldest profession and build a successful, liberal and multicultural society. Either one of those would be quite a big enough challenge, never having been done.

    Replies: @Pericles

    But it’s insane hubris to simultaneously try to ban the oldest profession and build a successful, liberal and multicultural society.

    Note that in Sweden it’s illegal to buy sex but not illegal to sell it. Very clever, wouldn’t you say? I think Sweden was first to introduce this law, but other countries are now looking to introduce it too.

    Also, if anyone remembers the crazedness of “yes means yes” in Berkeley a while back, why, Sweden has furthermore just introduced a law to that effect (July 1). Just because we’re incapable of convicting hardcore migrant criminals doesn’t mean we can’t move quickly with legislation when we want to!

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44230786

  171. outside it are the banlieues, places like Seine-St.-Denis, home to large nonwhite immigrant communities plagued by Islam, an absence of high-IQ individuals and surging rates of sub-Saharan DNA

  172. @Pat Boyle
    There's some truth to Steve's jibe that we need immigrants to provide America with diverse cuisines. America's culture is largely English/Irish/Scottish and none of these nations is famous for its food, The Scots are regularly ridiculed for Haggis. When I went to Ireland I discovered that every restaurant or pub meal typically had two types of potatoes served. And of course no one who had ever read about the musing on British cuisine by the literary character James Bond would ever willingly eat English food.

    The French maintain the conceit that cooking is an art, a dubious notion at best, but it does result in much excellent food. In America I'm told the most important and popular ethnic cuisine is Italian. If so, the acclaim is well deserved. Lately America has gone crazy for Thai food. The simple reason is that the Thai government promoted Thai food as a way for their people to gain a foothold in America. Worked.

    Chinese cuisine seems to be declining because so much of it except in central city Chinatowns is prepared in batches and set onto steamtables. This kills most Chinese stir fry dishes. Indian curries do well on steam tables. Only Nan has to be made and served immediately.

    Finally we come to real American food. The food of the Indians. There is no Algonquin or Mohawk food that I know of but the Mexican Indians have made a real contribution. They invented Maize. They didn't have any large domesticated meat animals except people. That meat choice fortunately, never became popular with the other peoples who came here. As the population approaches "Soylent Green" status maybe that too will again become popular.

    Replies: @bomag, @Roderick Spode

    They didn’t have any large domesticated meat animals except people.

    Paddy B. killing it with the sarcasm again.

  173. @Tiny Duck
    @Anonymous

    I agree I totally agree

    white girls desire Men of Colour because they want strong children

    Replies: @Buck Turgidson

    I wonder if Nicole Brown Simpson’s children are strong?

  174. @AndrewR
    @Paleo Liberal


    An Indian woman is even more likely to marry a white man than an Asian woman is.
     
    India is in Asia, last I checked....

    As for your blue eyes claim, do you have a source for that? Even excluding the post 1965 immigrants and their descendants, few of whom have blue eyes, the US population today is much bigger than it was 100 years ago.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    I often use the term American Indian in deference to the late Michael Two Horses, who HATED being called Native American. He said American Indian put American first, which is appropriate since we American Indians are the first Americans.

    http://www.nativeweb.org/obituaries/two_horses.html

    No, I don’t have a reference to the falling percentage of Americans with blue eyes. I suppose if you really cared you would use Google until you found it.

    But you seem to be more interested in nit picking than intelligent discussion, so I won’t bother to look it up.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Paleo Liberal

    Lol you really should learn how to take a joke.

    The blue eyes thing doesn't seem easily googleable. I doubt anyone but you has even thought about how common blue eyes were a century ago vs today. And it would be pretty tough to really answer that. They have never asked about eye color on the census. You'd probably have to ask really old people what color their parents' and grandparents' eyes were, but even that would be rather unreliable.

    Anyway thanks for confirming that you're a thin-skinned bullshitter!

    Replies: @Anonymous

  175. @Brutusale
    @Twinkie

    A great commercial. Greg Louganis has nothing on these guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8v_NAYpbfQ

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Captain nascimento

    Good one. originally that was put out by a cheeky English newspaper titled something like “Italian national team training.” those southern Europeans are such drama queens

  176. @Charles Pewitt
    @Steve Sailer


    That’s how in the good old days of Carnegie and Frick, robber barons would go to play golf at Shinnecock and the National: steam up in your yacht.

     

    No matter how fancy some of the mansions on the Hudson were and are, they still had a railroad line running in between their mansion and the mighty Hudson. They sunk the railroad bed to keep it out of sight and to minimize the sound, like Olmsted did with some of the roads running through Central Park.

    Of course, I ain't talking about the mansions on the bluffs above the Hudson River.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Charles Pewitt:

    I understand that the value of Gore Vidal’s property along the Hudson River skyrocketed once the New York Central ceased using steam locomotives on its Water Level Route.

  177. @anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Have you seen Asians ever do well as porn stars for anything? They should corner the micropenis fetish market.

    Replies: @bomag

    I’m sure this is an area where ‘bots will take over.

  178. @LondonBob
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    No sport goes together with gayness, they just aren't interested.

    Replies: @Flip, @snorlax

    Figure skating for men, softball for women.

  179. @stillCARealist
    @songbird

    There was a rainbow flag flying next to the American flag and MA flag at the Boston airport last week. Is it always there?

    Must be one queer airport.

    Replies: @Flip, @sayless

    Probably for “Pride month.”

  180. @Pericles
    @bored identity

    Remember the Bosnian war? The Ibrahimovic family were some out of many, many Bosnian muslim refugees who -- somehow -- ended up in Sweden and never left. Did this teach us Swedes anything? No.

    Also, now that I've read this site for a while, I'm starting to wonder wherefrom a name like "Ibrahimovic" hails. "Ibrahim" does seem muslim, though on the other hand, as we have recently learned, "Abramovic" turned out to have a right to return to Israel.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Pericles:

    To get them to depart the Irish government wound up paying Bosnian Muslim refugees to return home. Although I don’t know how successful that particular caper turned out.

  181. @theMann
    @Twinkie

    Swimming, lacrosse, hockey, tennis, auto racing, horse racing, rowing, BMX, skiing, lumberjack competitions, or Bass Masters?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Buffalo Joe

    the Mann, The NCAA Div. I lacrosse championship was on Memorial Day. The final four teams, Duke, Albany,Maryland and Yale probably had a combined 3 blacks on their rosters. Albany had none, but 7 native Americans, so they were diverse, but not Lib Left diverse.

  182. @Anonymous
    @Matthew McConnagay

    American sports (baseball and American football) involve a lot more strategy on the part of team management than does soccer. Soccer games come down to physical conditioning on the part of all concerned, whereas in the pre-steroids days some very out of shape people were able to play a part in football (remember Refrigerator Perry?) and in baseball (Babe Ruth was downright fat, John Goodman was a good choice to play him).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen

    The 1980s, when William “The Refrigerator” Perry played, weren’t “pre-steroids days”, and he wasn’t “very out of shape”. He wasn’t even that fat, looking back. And he was a solid athlete, able to run and catch the ball out of the backfield on offense in addition to being a run-stopper on defense.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Dave Pinsen

    Some of the comments crack me up too much to respond, like the original post from the brave Anonymous.

    Few if any posting here could beat an NFL offensive lineman (they're the big boys, your average defensive lineman is quicker) in a footrace.

  183. Mike Tre [AKA "MikeatMikedotMike"] says:
    @Anonymous
    One thing that I have observed is that White Girls can do anything to get a Black Athlete's love and attention. They are Strong, Masculine, Manly and Tall. I have seen a lot of White Woman having children with Rich Blacks from Sub Saharan Africa and this thing is also happening in Ivy league colleges. White “man” cannot compete with Black Men or other Men of Color in the sexual marketplace. Men of Color are strong and athletic and have fought their whole lives while White men are weak dull effeminate clumsy and play video games Is it any wonder that white girls crave Black Men?
    Moreover, Miscegenation is wayy more common than what statistics tell you about it. White Men are losing White Woman. I can count on hand White Men with Non White women. But, White Woman are a class apart, they love to have mixed babies in their wombs it seems.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Buck Turgidson, @bomag, @Tiny Duck, @Forbes, @anon, @Mike Tre, @MBlanc46

    This what happens when you enable a Tiny Duck: You get more Tiny Ducks.

    One is funny, 3-4 four is a chore.

    • Replies: @res
    @Mike Tre

    Like feeding the pigeons.

  184. @Paleo Liberal
    @AndrewR

    I often use the term American Indian in deference to the late Michael Two Horses, who HATED being called Native American. He said American Indian put American first, which is appropriate since we American Indians are the first Americans.

    http://www.nativeweb.org/obituaries/two_horses.html

    No, I don't have a reference to the falling percentage of Americans with blue eyes. I suppose if you really cared you would use Google until you found it.

    But you seem to be more interested in nit picking than intelligent discussion, so I won't bother to look it up.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Lol you really should learn how to take a joke.

    The blue eyes thing doesn’t seem easily googleable. I doubt anyone but you has even thought about how common blue eyes were a century ago vs today. And it would be pretty tough to really answer that. They have never asked about eye color on the census. You’d probably have to ask really old people what color their parents’ and grandparents’ eyes were, but even that would be rather unreliable.

    Anyway thanks for confirming that you’re a thin-skinned bullshitter!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AndrewR

    Or maybe he didn't want to waste time deal with a dumb nitpicker like you? Do you really thinking pointing out that India is in Asia when he clearly referred to Native Americans is an intelligent contribution?

    Anyways there is data on blue eyes. In 1900, the majority of whites born in the US had blue eyes. Now about 1/4 of all whites have blue eyes. That's pretty intuitive. How many millions of southern Europeans arrived arrived in between 1900-1920.


    About half of Americans born at the turn of the 20th century had blue eyes, according to a 2002 Loyola University study in Chicago. By mid-century that number had dropped to a third. Today only about one 1 of every 6 Americans has blue eyes, said Mark Grant, the epidemiologist who conducted the study.

    Grant was moved to research the subject when he noticed that blue eyes were much more prevalent among his elderly patients in the nursing home where he worked than in the general population. At first he thought blue eyes might be connected to life expectancy, so he began comparing data from early 20th- century health surveys. Turns out it has more to do with marriage patterns.

    A century ago, 80 percent of people married within their ethnic group, Grant said. Blue eyes -- a genetically recessive trait -- were routinely passed down, especially among people of English, Irish, and Northern European ancestry.

    By mid-century, a person's level of education -- and not ethnicity -- became the primary factor in selecting a spouse. As intermarriage between ethnic groups became the norm, blue eyes began to disappear, replaced by brown.

    The influx of nonwhites into the United States, especially from Latin America and Asia, hastened the disappearance. Between 1900 and 1950, only about 1 in 10 Americans was nonwhite. Today that ratio is 1 in 3.
     

    Replies: @AndrewR

  185. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR
    @Paleo Liberal

    Lol you really should learn how to take a joke.

    The blue eyes thing doesn't seem easily googleable. I doubt anyone but you has even thought about how common blue eyes were a century ago vs today. And it would be pretty tough to really answer that. They have never asked about eye color on the census. You'd probably have to ask really old people what color their parents' and grandparents' eyes were, but even that would be rather unreliable.

    Anyway thanks for confirming that you're a thin-skinned bullshitter!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Or maybe he didn’t want to waste time deal with a dumb nitpicker like you? Do you really thinking pointing out that India is in Asia when he clearly referred to Native Americans is an intelligent contribution?

    Anyways there is data on blue eyes. In 1900, the majority of whites born in the US had blue eyes. Now about 1/4 of all whites have blue eyes. That’s pretty intuitive. How many millions of southern Europeans arrived arrived in between 1900-1920.

    About half of Americans born at the turn of the 20th century had blue eyes, according to a 2002 Loyola University study in Chicago. By mid-century that number had dropped to a third. Today only about one 1 of every 6 Americans has blue eyes, said Mark Grant, the epidemiologist who conducted the study.

    Grant was moved to research the subject when he noticed that blue eyes were much more prevalent among his elderly patients in the nursing home where he worked than in the general population. At first he thought blue eyes might be connected to life expectancy, so he began comparing data from early 20th- century health surveys. Turns out it has more to do with marriage patterns.

    A century ago, 80 percent of people married within their ethnic group, Grant said. Blue eyes — a genetically recessive trait — were routinely passed down, especially among people of English, Irish, and Northern European ancestry.

    By mid-century, a person’s level of education — and not ethnicity — became the primary factor in selecting a spouse. As intermarriage between ethnic groups became the norm, blue eyes began to disappear, replaced by brown.

    The influx of nonwhites into the United States, especially from Latin America and Asia, hastened the disappearance. Between 1900 and 1950, only about 1 in 10 Americans was nonwhite. Today that ratio is 1 in 3.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    You seem upset.

    It obviously was a joke, as I pointed out. Just because I didn't include a winky face doesn't mean it wasn't clearly tongue-in-cheek. And at least post under your regular username if you're going to insult me, coward.

  186. to make the game more TV friendly

    You mean more advertiser friendly? The fans will never allow it. Soccer is what it is. It doesn’t discriminate; the rules of the game are the same for everyone, everywhere, as-seen-on-tv or not.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Yngvar

    I don't understand the obsession with showing the matches live. Just insert commercial breaks and pick up where you left off when the break ends.

  187. @Clyde
    @Dave Pinsen

    From your link-
    But it’s not all sunshine and babies. (for this free wheeling sperm donor)
    The first five women he worked with successfully sued him for child support, and nearly half of his paycheck is garnished for his offspring.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Yeah, if you donate sperm outside of a sperm bank, you open yourself up to that.

    Also, IIRC, he made a few of his donations direct.

  188. @stillCARealist
    @songbird

    There was a rainbow flag flying next to the American flag and MA flag at the Boston airport last week. Is it always there?

    Must be one queer airport.

    Replies: @Flip, @sayless

    There’s a rainbow flag displayed on the concourse in Penn Station too.

  189. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Brutusale

    That is hilarious. Mainly because it is so close to the truth.

    Soccer could be a watchable game with a few rule changes.

    1. A significant decrease in the size of the field. The game mainly consists of effeminate men standing around doing nothing. That's why they don't need timeouts or substitutions.

    2. Decrease the number of players on each side. Hockey has it right. Five on five, plus a goalie.

    3. Power plays awarded to the opposing team for faking injuries. The little cream puffs are constantly pretending to be hurt for no reason.

    4. Allow fighting if both guys want to go. Again, hockey gets it right. Why on God's earth would you ever stop two men from fighting if both are willing participants? It would completely eliminate the phony "hold me back" bravado. (This would also significantly improve the NBA.)

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

    I kind of guessing you’ve never played hockey because if you’ve ever been on skates you’d know that it’s impossible to use anything but your arms on a punch. It’s pretty hard to knock someone unconscious on skates. A 6’11” basketball player putting his full body into a punch- that would he a different story. That’s why hockey is the only sport to allow fighting.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sam Haysom

    Thanks.

    Rudy Tomjanovich getting punched by power forward Kermit Washington in an NBA game in the 1970s was really scary.

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Sam Haysom

    I have played hockey and and fighting is very enjoyable, even if you lose the fight.

    , @Brutusale
    @Sam Haysom

    You can still get busted up pretty badly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne1y0QCOQOM

    Hockey players are the antipode of soccer players. Fight, skate to the bench and get stitched up, don't miss a shift.

  190. @anon
    @Anonymous

    Jewish women love black men. White women not so much.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    The one Jewish woman I know of who dated a black man did it on vacation in the Caribbean. When she got home she married a rich Jewish guy.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Dave Pinsen

    To an extent, getting one's groove back is what the Caribbean is for; I have heard that Japanese women try the same thing with Indonesia, occasionally bringing one back.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen

  191. @Mike Tre
    @Anonymous

    This what happens when you enable a Tiny Duck: You get more Tiny Ducks.

    One is funny, 3-4 four is a chore.

    Replies: @res

    Like feeding the pigeons.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
  192. Anonymous[131] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @Paleo Liberal

    Paleo, I worked with and for dozens of Native Americans. Few married outside of their tribe, let a lone their race. Around here the vast majority of NAs live on their reservations . I went to weddings for two of my Seneca friend's daughters. Both married NAs, but one married a brave from out west. Their wedding parties, bridesmaid, ushers etc. were all Senecas.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Elizabeth Warren?

  193. @Anonymous
    @AndrewR

    Or maybe he didn't want to waste time deal with a dumb nitpicker like you? Do you really thinking pointing out that India is in Asia when he clearly referred to Native Americans is an intelligent contribution?

    Anyways there is data on blue eyes. In 1900, the majority of whites born in the US had blue eyes. Now about 1/4 of all whites have blue eyes. That's pretty intuitive. How many millions of southern Europeans arrived arrived in between 1900-1920.


    About half of Americans born at the turn of the 20th century had blue eyes, according to a 2002 Loyola University study in Chicago. By mid-century that number had dropped to a third. Today only about one 1 of every 6 Americans has blue eyes, said Mark Grant, the epidemiologist who conducted the study.

    Grant was moved to research the subject when he noticed that blue eyes were much more prevalent among his elderly patients in the nursing home where he worked than in the general population. At first he thought blue eyes might be connected to life expectancy, so he began comparing data from early 20th- century health surveys. Turns out it has more to do with marriage patterns.

    A century ago, 80 percent of people married within their ethnic group, Grant said. Blue eyes -- a genetically recessive trait -- were routinely passed down, especially among people of English, Irish, and Northern European ancestry.

    By mid-century, a person's level of education -- and not ethnicity -- became the primary factor in selecting a spouse. As intermarriage between ethnic groups became the norm, blue eyes began to disappear, replaced by brown.

    The influx of nonwhites into the United States, especially from Latin America and Asia, hastened the disappearance. Between 1900 and 1950, only about 1 in 10 Americans was nonwhite. Today that ratio is 1 in 3.
     

    Replies: @AndrewR

    You seem upset.

    It obviously was a joke, as I pointed out. Just because I didn’t include a winky face doesn’t mean it wasn’t clearly tongue-in-cheek. And at least post under your regular username if you’re going to insult me, coward.

  194. @Sam Haysom
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    I kind of guessing you've never played hockey because if you've ever been on skates you'd know that it's impossible to use anything but your arms on a punch. It's pretty hard to knock someone unconscious on skates. A 6'11" basketball player putting his full body into a punch- that would he a different story. That's why hockey is the only sport to allow fighting.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Brutusale

    Thanks.

    Rudy Tomjanovich getting punched by power forward Kermit Washington in an NBA game in the 1970s was really scary.

    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Steve Sailer

    That was not a fight. Washington sucker punched him from behind. That was a brutal assault on a guy who never saw it coming. (Reminded me of high school in the hood.) Washington should have done prison time.

  195. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nigerian Nationalist
    *Sigh*

    You clearly know very little about football so rather than this display of ignorance, you'd have been better served creating an open thread.

    Few Points:

    1. The immigrants they refer to include some West Africans like Paul Pogba or N'golo Kante but more often than not are usually North Africans, like the consensus greatest French player ever, Zinedine Zidane.

    2. Your jibe about Black athleticism and its football limitations would be more laughable if only arguably the second greatest French player wasn't Thierry Henry and one of the greatest footballers ever not Pele.

    i. Some of the best young footballers: Raheem Sterling, Leon Bailey, Gabriel Jesus, David Alaba...care to take a gander what they look like?

    It's nothing major to stick to the things you know.

    That said, try to catch some matches, football is invariably superior to golf.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Some good points but missing the big picture. Zidane and Henry were crème de la crème but they are not exactly Paul Pogba, ancestry-wise. The simple point that should be pretty incontrovertible to an unbiased observer of soccer in particular and sports in general is that Sub-Saharan blacks tend not do very well on average in comparison to whites in long running and stamina. Their relative strength, by far, is an explosive speed. Your list of very good footballers (Raheem Sterling, Leon Bailey, Gabriel Jesus, David Alaba) only confirms it – none is truly a household name. Unquestionably, Pele is. But a reasonable point of view is that Pele is a historical relic whose talent has since been exceeded by the likes of Maradona, Zidane and Messi (maybe Ronaldo, too).

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Anonymous

    I don't know what you mean about Henry, but I've seen plenty of Nigerians who look like him. He's got Caribbean roots, as an American--I assume-- the closest example would probably be Tim Duncan. So "ancestry wise" matters little, remember Steve's zimmer post? Lebron and Durant, daschunds and Alsatians do not have to look alike.

    Odds are though that Henry's 23andme looks more like Pogba's than say Salah or Neymar's.



    Sub-Saharan blacks tend not do very well on average in comparison to whites in long running and stamina.
     
    Ehm? East Africans not sub-Saharan enough for you? or Basketballers playing 38-40 minutes every other night not a display of stamina?

    Sure sure, Pele is a historical relic but it wasn't so long ago that Samuel Eto'o was in the Ballon D'or shortlist. Before Ronaldo, the greatest Portuguese was another historical relic, Eusebio. Ghana was only a Suarez handball away from a semi-finals berth. Senegal humiliated France in 2002.

    And so on. To any long-time observer of football it's patently absurd having witnessed Drogba among others that players of African descent cannot dominate at the highest levels because as Steve implies, the rules haven't been tweaked yet.

    Messi's the GOAT sure but the best Bundesliga player two seasons running is from Gabon.

    Replies: @Fredrik

  196. Steve,

    Here is ESPN FC’s World Cup Ultimate XI. Nine whites. Two blacks. You could argue that Paul Pogba should be in there (he’s darn good) but I can’t say I really disagree with any of it.

    http://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/4/blog/post/3514017/world-cup-2018-ultimate-xi-lionel-messi-cristiano-ronaldo-lead-david-de-gea-in-goal

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @William Middleton

    Thanks.

  197. @Cortes
    @Dave Pinsen

    To me there were three very cute examples of what looked like beautifully executed “professional fouls”: the two you mention plus the incident where the Real Madrid right back, Dani Carvajal, had to go off following the Liverpool left back stepping on Carvajal’s dodgy ankle.

    The sport’s authorities should be educating match officials in spotting and penalising such incidents. Having broken a shoulder a few years ago, I knew straight away that Salah, Liverpool’s star forward, had no chance of continuing after Real’s alpha defender (and much bigger and heavier) Sergio Ramos pulled Salah down and ensured the Egyptian’s arm was trapped with both players torsos landing on the shoulder. Bang! If anything, the goalkeeper incident was even worse, involving a head injury to the side. Ramos again.

    Too much emphasis has been placed on clamping down on “simulation” and too little on spotting professional fouls.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Ramos on Salah looks pretty evil in slow-mo:

    And here’s him on Karius:

    This really goes against the whole stereotype of soccer players flopping. These were dirty, hard fouls, and both victims got back up and tried to play.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Dave Pinsen

    Sergio Ramos has always been a dirty player. He may have ruined Egypt's World Cup. Luckily for them they are in a weak group.

  198. @anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Our society is falling apart because of people like this guy and the women he "helped out". They are no different from animals, like a lion with his den of lioness. The degeneracy encouraged by liberalism is what's killing the west.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    On the one hand, I can understand your reaction to this divergence from traditional procreation. On the other hand, if heredity determines outcomes far more than environment does, than maybe some good will come from this.

  199. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    As long as certain phenotypes are prized, they will continue to exist. Hence, there are still whites in Mexico, for example, after 500 years of mixing.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Dave Pinsen

  200. @William Middleton
    Steve,

    Here is ESPN FC's World Cup Ultimate XI. Nine whites. Two blacks. You could argue that Paul Pogba should be in there (he's darn good) but I can't say I really disagree with any of it.

    http://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/4/blog/post/3514017/world-cup-2018-ultimate-xi-lionel-messi-cristiano-ronaldo-lead-david-de-gea-in-goal

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

  201. @Dave Pinsen
    @anon

    The one Jewish woman I know of who dated a black man did it on vacation in the Caribbean. When she got home she married a rich Jewish guy.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    To an extent, getting one’s groove back is what the Caribbean is for; I have heard that Japanese women try the same thing with Indonesia, occasionally bringing one back.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    "In Search of the Big Bamboo" was a famous article on female sex tourism. Hard to find now.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @J.Ross

    Ryu Murakami wrote a story about a Japanese woman flying to Cuba after a dancer or musician she met when he toured Japan.

  202. @Sam Haysom
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    I kind of guessing you've never played hockey because if you've ever been on skates you'd know that it's impossible to use anything but your arms on a punch. It's pretty hard to knock someone unconscious on skates. A 6'11" basketball player putting his full body into a punch- that would he a different story. That's why hockey is the only sport to allow fighting.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Brutusale

    I have played hockey and and fighting is very enjoyable, even if you lose the fight.

  203. @Steve Sailer
    @Sam Haysom

    Thanks.

    Rudy Tomjanovich getting punched by power forward Kermit Washington in an NBA game in the 1970s was really scary.

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    That was not a fight. Washington sucker punched him from behind. That was a brutal assault on a guy who never saw it coming. (Reminded me of high school in the hood.) Washington should have done prison time.

  204. @eah
    Frequency of the word 'Racism' in New York Times articles, 1851-2016.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De65lTYXkAAJe6j.jpg

    Replies: @Lex, @songbird

    Actually seems kind of low. I wonder what it would be if you added racial words or racial topics – that would be an interesting graph.

  205. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    @Dave Pinsen

    To an extent, getting one's groove back is what the Caribbean is for; I have heard that Japanese women try the same thing with Indonesia, occasionally bringing one back.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen

    “In Search of the Big Bamboo” was a famous article on female sex tourism. Hard to find now.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    There was a period there where, it looked (from popular culture) that female sexuality tried to be male sexuality, realized it was a lot more work than it looks (especially without the same chemical motivations), and settled into a bad compromise. This is probably related to the suicide epidemic.

  206. @J.Ross
    @Dave Pinsen

    To an extent, getting one's groove back is what the Caribbean is for; I have heard that Japanese women try the same thing with Indonesia, occasionally bringing one back.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen

    Ryu Murakami wrote a story about a Japanese woman flying to Cuba after a dancer or musician she met when he toured Japan.

  207. @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    "In Search of the Big Bamboo" was a famous article on female sex tourism. Hard to find now.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    There was a period there where, it looked (from popular culture) that female sexuality tried to be male sexuality, realized it was a lot more work than it looks (especially without the same chemical motivations), and settled into a bad compromise. This is probably related to the suicide epidemic.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  208. @Anonymous
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Some good points but missing the big picture. Zidane and Henry were crème de la crème but they are not exactly Paul Pogba, ancestry-wise. The simple point that should be pretty incontrovertible to an unbiased observer of soccer in particular and sports in general is that Sub-Saharan blacks tend not do very well on average in comparison to whites in long running and stamina. Their relative strength, by far, is an explosive speed. Your list of very good footballers (Raheem Sterling, Leon Bailey, Gabriel Jesus, David Alaba) only confirms it - none is truly a household name. Unquestionably, Pele is. But a reasonable point of view is that Pele is a historical relic whose talent has since been exceeded by the likes of Maradona, Zidane and Messi (maybe Ronaldo, too).

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    I don’t know what you mean about Henry, but I’ve seen plenty of Nigerians who look like him. He’s got Caribbean roots, as an American–I assume– the closest example would probably be Tim Duncan. So “ancestry wise” matters little, remember Steve’s zimmer post? Lebron and Durant, daschunds and Alsatians do not have to look alike.

    Odds are though that Henry’s 23andme looks more like Pogba’s than say Salah or Neymar’s.

    Sub-Saharan blacks tend not do very well on average in comparison to whites in long running and stamina.

    Ehm? East Africans not sub-Saharan enough for you? or Basketballers playing 38-40 minutes every other night not a display of stamina?

    Sure sure, Pele is a historical relic but it wasn’t so long ago that Samuel Eto’o was in the Ballon D’or shortlist. Before Ronaldo, the greatest Portuguese was another historical relic, Eusebio. Ghana was only a Suarez handball away from a semi-finals berth. Senegal humiliated France in 2002.

    And so on. To any long-time observer of football it’s patently absurd having witnessed Drogba among others that players of African descent cannot dominate at the highest levels because as Steve implies, the rules haven’t been tweaked yet.

    Messi’s the GOAT sure but the best Bundesliga player two seasons running is from Gabon.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Nobody is denying lots of Blacks are good footballers. What is equally clear is that they aren't dominating like in American basketball or American football.

    Btw, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is born in France to a Spanish mother. Nature or nurture? I ask you if you think Gullit or Kluivert would have been equally good if they grew up in Paramaribo?

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

  209. @Englishman Abroad
    @Steve Sailer

    The Italian and Spanish teams are still almost entirely native, pretty much uniquely among the top European teams. In Italy in particular, there is still strong popular sentiment against darker-skinned players in the national team, echoing "swarthy-looking" South Americans' desire to differentiate themselves from their full-African-ancestry compatriots. Mario Balotelli, Italian-born son of Ghanian immigrants to Sicily, was particularly reviled. Despite being adopted at a young-ish age and taking on the name of his adopted parents, his appearances in the blue of Italy were invariably greeted by the chant "Non ci sono neri Italiani!" - There are no black Italians!

    Of course, a lot of the hate for Balotelli was because despite being hugely impressive physically (and even technically), he was very poor tactically, which is perhaps the most important factor in the Italian game, where tactically aware players can keep going 10 years after they'd have to retire in the English league. I suspect that a lot of this is because in Italy, soccer is pretty middle-class game, with managers expected to complete the equivalent of a master's degree in the theory of the sport at the national HQ, while in the English Premier, football is a working-class game (well-to-do people preferring rugby and cricket) featuring managers of multi-million clubs who are quite spectacularly stupid and inarticulate. The Italian game is very demanding tactically and extremely prefectionist; players are expected to last whole games making no errors whatsoever of the kind that everyone does 20 times per game in England, and to fit seamlessly and selflessly into the team's pattern of play. Balotelli, however, conformed to certain popular beliefs about African sportspeople...

    African teams have always punched significantly below their weight at the World Cup due to their being hopeless tactically, never really displaying a "team vision", despite the wealth of talent at their disposal. Well, the Word Cup has given up even the pretense of being about anything other than making money, crowbarring in African and Asian teams who, 99/100 times, would lose to Italy and the Netherlands, who didn't make it through the far more competitive European qualifying stage.

    Replies: @Cowboy shaw

    Harry Rednapp offering as a trial defence that he couldn’t read was widely accepted as plausible. Until the arrival of foreign managers the moronic stupidity and incompetence of English football was staggering.

    • Replies: @Englishman Abroad
    @Cowboy shaw

    Seen the YouTube video titled something like "Harry Redkapp doesn't like being hit by a football"? Gets funnier every time you see it

  210. Maybe of some interest for the readers of this esteemed webzine:

    Turkish players for the German team Özil and Gündogan are now continuously whistled and booed at by German spectators, after having had a friendly chat and a photo-op with their beloved president Erdogan.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/16/mesut-ozil-ilkay-gundogan-recep-tayyip-erdogan-picture

    This causes much anger with the nomenclatura, for apparently they are more willing to forgive treasoneous behaviour than the lowly German fans. With this continuing into the World Cup, a successful defence of the title seems dubious for Germany.

    (Link in German) https://www.express.de/sport/fussball/fussball-wm2018/wegen-oezil-und-guendogan-von-wegen-wm-fieber--jogi-loew-hat-ein-riesen-problem-30590660

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Venator

    Compare to Putin's ardent fan Ovechkin, who is treated as a hero in Washington.

  211. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Anonymous

    I don't know what you mean about Henry, but I've seen plenty of Nigerians who look like him. He's got Caribbean roots, as an American--I assume-- the closest example would probably be Tim Duncan. So "ancestry wise" matters little, remember Steve's zimmer post? Lebron and Durant, daschunds and Alsatians do not have to look alike.

    Odds are though that Henry's 23andme looks more like Pogba's than say Salah or Neymar's.



    Sub-Saharan blacks tend not do very well on average in comparison to whites in long running and stamina.
     
    Ehm? East Africans not sub-Saharan enough for you? or Basketballers playing 38-40 minutes every other night not a display of stamina?

    Sure sure, Pele is a historical relic but it wasn't so long ago that Samuel Eto'o was in the Ballon D'or shortlist. Before Ronaldo, the greatest Portuguese was another historical relic, Eusebio. Ghana was only a Suarez handball away from a semi-finals berth. Senegal humiliated France in 2002.

    And so on. To any long-time observer of football it's patently absurd having witnessed Drogba among others that players of African descent cannot dominate at the highest levels because as Steve implies, the rules haven't been tweaked yet.

    Messi's the GOAT sure but the best Bundesliga player two seasons running is from Gabon.

    Replies: @Fredrik

    Nobody is denying lots of Blacks are good footballers. What is equally clear is that they aren’t dominating like in American basketball or American football.

    Btw, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is born in France to a Spanish mother. Nature or nurture? I ask you if you think Gullit or Kluivert would have been equally good if they grew up in Paramaribo?

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Fredrik

    I wonder why...one sport draws from a pool of one country, the other from a global pool.

    I'm stunned that the global pool will reflect a smaller pool of dominance.

    I agree. Football is about training and playing time, something the Europeans and Brazilians are able to afford more of. But I wasn't the one who made it racial.

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

  212. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Arclight

    You realise that colonial troops fought both wars correct? That the colonies didn't capitulate to the Nazis.

    Read a little.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Too funny – are you implying the colonial troops served in WWII did so to secure the liberation a distant Europe so their descendants could settle there, rather than being ordered to fight in local theaters of war by the European administrators who ruled their countries? I think not. Even the French Army of Africa – which did serve in the failed defense of France – were mostly conscripts.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Arclight

    No. My implication is that nonetheless a moral sacrifice was made, paid in blood literally.

    You write as if the armies of Europe weren't conscripts as well. The essence of that sacrifice demands if nothing else then a greater measure of respect for their descendants than what often occurs on this board among people claiming to represent that heritage.

  213. @Twinkie
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    Gayness and soccer seem like a perfect fit.
     
    Soccer seems to reward dramatic flopping and pretending to be hurt from a little shouldering or ankle tripping....

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale, @anon, @sb

    Diving , or as you call it flopping , is generally frowned upon by Northern European teams and their fans with the notable exception of Germany

    The rest of the world ,excepting the Northern European diaspora nations ( like USA and Australia ) and notably Japan , don’t have any cultural problem with diving

  214. @Cowboy shaw
    @Englishman Abroad

    Harry Rednapp offering as a trial defence that he couldn't read was widely accepted as plausible. Until the arrival of foreign managers the moronic stupidity and incompetence of English football was staggering.

    Replies: @Englishman Abroad

    Seen the YouTube video titled something like “Harry Redkapp doesn’t like being hit by a football”? Gets funnier every time you see it

  215. @Dave Pinsen
    @Cortes

    Ramos on Salah looks pretty evil in slow-mo:

    https://youtu.be/UxCcZe_q1iI?t=18s

    And here's him on Karius:

    https://youtu.be/bg4ZqHvUTa8

    This really goes against the whole stereotype of soccer players flopping. These were dirty, hard fouls, and both victims got back up and tried to play.

    Replies: @Matra

    Sergio Ramos has always been a dirty player. He may have ruined Egypt’s World Cup. Luckily for them they are in a weak group.

  216. @Charles Pewitt
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve Sailer says he identified the sun-fried blonde head of Greg Norman from 500 yards away?

    I say Paul Hogan has looked like a lesbian for the last twenty years, maybe more. Leprechaun Antipodean actor Paul Hogan had Linda Kozlowski when she looked good, I didn't.

    I say Greg Norman is a showoff baby boomer geezer boy golfer who should keep his clothes on while posing like a fop for photographs. Norman looks like an antipodean Judy Dench in one of those calendars where ladies who should know better attack the rest of us with their awkward ancient nakedness.

    The best scene in Crocodile Dundee is when a scantily clad Linda Kozlowski is menaced by a crocodile and Paul Hogan rescues her.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jim Christian

    All the names you mention besides Steve Sailer got/gets more pussy than Hugh Hefner. Norman choked at the Masters, but the guy is pretty bright. Of course, never mind his famous friendship with Bill Clinton and Michael Epstein. Those trips to Lolita Island meant nothing. I do believe Bill Clinton blew his knee at the estate of Greg Norman engaged in some depravity or another.

    Steve is more of an authority on this stuff than I, however. I think he’s met all those characters in his travels.

  217. @Cowboy shaw
    @Steve Sailer

    England has a massive class division. Almost no middle class players are ever in the England team. This is not very well understood outside the UK. I remember explaining rugby once to the football correspondent of Denmarks largest newspaper. He was based in London but was under the impression that rugby was about the same size as underwater water polo. The British middle classes play and follow a myriad of other sports too. Quite successfully as well as can be seen by their recent Olympic results. In football they're competing with essentially one arm tied behind their back.

    Replies: @penskefile

    A Northern Irish friend of mine has a saying “Rugby is a thugs game played by gentlemen, while football (soccer) is a gentlemen’s game played by thugs”. My friend is, of course, a rugby fan

  218. @LondonBob
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    No sport goes together with gayness, they just aren't interested.

    Replies: @Flip, @snorlax

    Diving, water polo and swimming (in that order) are heavily gay. Probably the speedos.

  219. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Venator
    Maybe of some interest for the readers of this esteemed webzine:

    Turkish players for the German team Özil and Gündogan are now continuously whistled and booed at by German spectators, after having had a friendly chat and a photo-op with their beloved president Erdogan.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/16/mesut-ozil-ilkay-gundogan-recep-tayyip-erdogan-picture

    This causes much anger with the nomenclatura, for apparently they are more willing to forgive treasoneous behaviour than the lowly German fans. With this continuing into the World Cup, a successful defence of the title seems dubious for Germany.

    (Link in German) https://www.express.de/sport/fussball/fussball-wm2018/wegen-oezil-und-guendogan-von-wegen-wm-fieber--jogi-loew-hat-ein-riesen-problem-30590660

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Compare to Putin’s ardent fan Ovechkin, who is treated as a hero in Washington.

  220. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    The 1980s, when William "The Refrigerator" Perry played, weren't "pre-steroids days", and he wasn't "very out of shape". He wasn't even that fat, looking back. And he was a solid athlete, able to run and catch the ball out of the backfield on offense in addition to being a run-stopper on defense.

    https://youtu.be/DsdGbvNiVXY?t=1m

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Some of the comments crack me up too much to respond, like the original post from the brave Anonymous.

    Few if any posting here could beat an NFL offensive lineman (they’re the big boys, your average defensive lineman is quicker) in a footrace.

  221. @Sam Haysom
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    I kind of guessing you've never played hockey because if you've ever been on skates you'd know that it's impossible to use anything but your arms on a punch. It's pretty hard to knock someone unconscious on skates. A 6'11" basketball player putting his full body into a punch- that would he a different story. That's why hockey is the only sport to allow fighting.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @Brutusale

    You can still get busted up pretty badly.

    Hockey players are the antipode of soccer players. Fight, skate to the bench and get stitched up, don’t miss a shift.

  222. Soccer is like Artificial Intelligence. It’s been the Next Big Thing that is Just Around the Corner for the last 40 years.

  223. @Fredrik
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Nobody is denying lots of Blacks are good footballers. What is equally clear is that they aren't dominating like in American basketball or American football.

    Btw, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is born in France to a Spanish mother. Nature or nurture? I ask you if you think Gullit or Kluivert would have been equally good if they grew up in Paramaribo?

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    I wonder why…one sport draws from a pool of one country, the other from a global pool.

    I’m stunned that the global pool will reflect a smaller pool of dominance.

    I agree. Football is about training and playing time, something the Europeans and Brazilians are able to afford more of. But I wasn’t the one who made it racial.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    "When I was a kid I wanted to play football all day, but my dad told me I had to study first," but "in Brazil they play football from eight in the morning to six o'clock at night."

    Thierry Henry.

  224. @anonymous
    Italy has a lot of migrants (or immigrants) and they didn’t qualify for the tournament for the first time since 1958. Bizarrely, the 1982 World Cup champion team from Italy was composed of … Italians who were from … Italy. In fairness it should be noted that Italian Goalkeeper Dino Zoff was about a half hour drive from being Slovenian (or whatever it was then). The defeated West Germans also seemed to be ethnically similar with each other. To paraphrase Lou (Burt Lancaster) in Louis Malle’s Atlantic City — “You should have seen the Continent of Europe back then. It was something.”

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia then.

  225. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    This seems a pretty good explanation:




    When my Austrian wife first came to America, I had met her in South Africa, we were looking at a ball game on television.

    She asked me, “How is baseball played?”

    Well, this is easy, I thought. Only then did it hit me that the game I was raised with was one hell of a job to explain to someone who was not raised with it.

    All the games my wife was familiar with like soccer or La Crosse or hockey or basketball were similar.

    Each game consists entirely of getting a ball into a goal. In all of these games, what is called a “team” is really an indistinguishable group trying to hit the goal or block the goal or getting the ball to a teammate who can get in the goal.

    One position in basketball, La Crosse, soccer or any of the others is excellent practice for any other. Entire books have been written about the history of halfbacks, or guards or tackles or ends in football. A pitcher in baseball is entirely different from a fielder or a shortstop.

    A good soccer or basketball player can take any so-called “position” on the team. A pitcher or a halfback does not easily switch to being a shortstop or a tackle.

    Try explaining all that in a short statement.

    This is a giant difference, but I didn’t notice it until my new wife asked me to explain baseball to her.
     

    As I said in Part I, hockey, basketball, La Cross, basketball and most other popular sports are the same game: several people on each side, positions almost entirely exchangeable with each other, try to get a ball into a goal.

    When you suddenly are called upon to describe baseball or football to a foreigner, you suddenly realize just how DIFFERENT they are.
     

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    If you are going to steal, at least cite your source. Also, lacrosse is one word.

  226. @meh
    @Ganderson


    Same with hockey, only more so. And hockey is, PK Subban notwithstanding, is white white white.
     
    You missed the point.

    Ice hockey has unlimited subsitution. Players can come off the ice and rest. The coach thus has lots of opportunities to tell players how to adjust their tactics. And the coach can adjust the lineup of the players on the ice in real time, to effect his adjustment in tactics, i.e., he can play a particular combination of players to suit a particular tactical situation.

    In association football, you only have three substitutions and a player can't come back on after being taken off. The coach isn't supposed to "coach" the players from the sidelines; this doesn't in practice prevent him from shouting at his players, but in practice the coach has very little influence once play starts. Players really do have to figure things out and adjust their tactics themselves, and not rely on coaches to make decisions for them.

    Totally different situation from ice hockey.

    Ice hockey is a white sport because it isn't played amongst non-whites for various reasons, partly due to the fact that it is an expensive sport and most public schools in non-white communities don't pay for ice hockey teams like they are willing to pay for basketball and gridiron football teams (the cost of gridiron equipment and facilities in particular is not inconsequential). And non-white parents are very unlikely to pay for private youth ice hockey for their children.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Ice time is expensive.

  227. @Captain Tripps
    @Dave Pinsen

    That was a fantastic goal; reminiscent of Roberto Baggio against Spain as well in 1994:

    https://youtu.be/1u6H10_z6sI?t=1m45s

    Outside of putting it all together and winning it in 2010, Spain always seems to get snakebit in the tournament...

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    For those who don’t recognize it, that game was played in the late Foxboro Stadium.

  228. @Yngvar

    to make the game more TV friendly
     
    You mean more advertiser friendly? The fans will never allow it. Soccer is what it is. It doesn't discriminate; the rules of the game are the same for everyone, everywhere, as-seen-on-tv or not.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    I don’t understand the obsession with showing the matches live. Just insert commercial breaks and pick up where you left off when the break ends.

  229. @utu
    @Lagertha

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665044/The-Viking-war-chant-originated-Scotland-Iceland-s-mighty-clap-celebration-chants-huh-performed-Euro-2016-wins-inspired-Motherwell-fans.html

    According to Icelandic publication Morgunbladid, who spoke to the Irish Times, the mighty clap originated in the Scottish Premier League.

    But Styrmir Gislason, the head of the Association of Icelandic Football Fans, told Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten, the celebration may have come from a Polish handball team.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Hahaa! but, because the clapping and drum are effective…..everyone insists it was part of their culture for thousands of years! I’m gonna give it up for Iceland – I adore underdog teams.

  230. @jill
    Speaking of sports...

    WATCH: Two Transgenders Blow Out Girls In State Meet

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/31605/watch-two-transgenders-blow-out-girls-state-meet-hank-berrien

    Unknown if the "biological" boys are going through sex realignment surgery or it's a matter of gender identity ( they felt they were girls the day of the race )

    Replies: @Marty T

    Looks like that tranny winning the state title last year encouraged a second to join the CT track ranks. Feminists, what say you?

  231. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Fredrik

    I wonder why...one sport draws from a pool of one country, the other from a global pool.

    I'm stunned that the global pool will reflect a smaller pool of dominance.

    I agree. Football is about training and playing time, something the Europeans and Brazilians are able to afford more of. But I wasn't the one who made it racial.

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

    “When I was a kid I wanted to play football all day, but my dad told me I had to study first,” but “in Brazil they play football from eight in the morning to six o’clock at night.”

    Thierry Henry.

  232. Steve Sailer:

    “In France, where they have pretty good restaurants…”

    Sure they have great restaurants…of French cuisine. You know, butter, lard, egg yolks and sugar. Not very good for you. Did they have great restaurants of other cuisines? No. They needed immigrants to get those. And I wonder how many French people had their lives saved by starting to eat daily eating healthier cuisines like Thai, Japanese, etc. Immigrants are not only good for the economy: they save lives. And I personally love French cuisine. But eating steak au sauce bearnaise avec pommed de terre regularly is really, really bad for your cardiovascular system.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    @Nick Diaz

    Considering that over a million Frenchmen were ethnically cleansed from Algeria, I suspect that they did not have a problem cooking Algerian food even before those Algerians followed them.

  233. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "In France, where they have pretty good restaurants..."

    Sure they have great restaurants...of French cuisine. You know, butter, lard, egg yolks and sugar. Not very good for you. Did they have great restaurants of other cuisines? No. They needed immigrants to get those. And I wonder how many French people had their lives saved by starting to eat daily eating healthier cuisines like Thai, Japanese, etc. Immigrants are not only good for the economy: they save lives. And I personally love French cuisine. But eating steak au sauce bearnaise avec pommed de terre regularly is really, really bad for your cardiovascular system.

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

    Considering that over a million Frenchmen were ethnically cleansed from Algeria, I suspect that they did not have a problem cooking Algerian food even before those Algerians followed them.

  234. @Arclight
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Too funny - are you implying the colonial troops served in WWII did so to secure the liberation a distant Europe so their descendants could settle there, rather than being ordered to fight in local theaters of war by the European administrators who ruled their countries? I think not. Even the French Army of Africa - which did serve in the failed defense of France - were mostly conscripts.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    No. My implication is that nonetheless a moral sacrifice was made, paid in blood literally.

    You write as if the armies of Europe weren’t conscripts as well. The essence of that sacrifice demands if nothing else then a greater measure of respect for their descendants than what often occurs on this board among people claiming to represent that heritage.

  235. @Anonymous
    One thing that I have observed is that White Girls can do anything to get a Black Athlete's love and attention. They are Strong, Masculine, Manly and Tall. I have seen a lot of White Woman having children with Rich Blacks from Sub Saharan Africa and this thing is also happening in Ivy league colleges. White “man” cannot compete with Black Men or other Men of Color in the sexual marketplace. Men of Color are strong and athletic and have fought their whole lives while White men are weak dull effeminate clumsy and play video games Is it any wonder that white girls crave Black Men?
    Moreover, Miscegenation is wayy more common than what statistics tell you about it. White Men are losing White Woman. I can count on hand White Men with Non White women. But, White Woman are a class apart, they love to have mixed babies in their wombs it seems.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anon, @Buck Turgidson, @bomag, @Tiny Duck, @Forbes, @anon, @Mike Tre, @MBlanc46

    Jeez, Tiny Duck is going to step up his game if he wants to how his face around here.

  236. @istevefan
    @AnotherDad


    When my kids were growing up–at the appropriate time–we watched several Hollyweird (and British) movies about the War. Wouldn’t bother doing that if I was doing it now.
     
    As a kid I could not get enough WW2 documentaries like The World at War, GI Diary, Victory at Sea and the many movies made about it. I built model airplanes out the wazoo. But now I can't bring myself to watch any of it.

    I can't bring myself to say that the wrong side won, at least in WW2. But I have now taken William Lind's position that the wrong side won in WW1. Maybe had that war ended differently, we would have avoided the second one.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Whiskey, @syonredux, @AnotherDad, @LondonBob, @MBlanc46

    The right side won. Then p*ssed away their victory.

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