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From the transcript of Hillary Clinton’s expensive question & answer session with Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs at Dove Mountain in October 2013:
So yes, we do have to get back to telling the American Story and telling it to ourselves first and foremost. That’s why Immigration reform is so important. I mean, get immigration reform done you. It sends exactly the signal you’re talking about.
(Applause.)
CLINTON: Get it fixed so that the people who have been here working hard, building futures, are given the chance to become American citizens. There’s no requirement that they do, but they would be given that path to citizenship.
So it still is the case that more people want to come here than anywhere else in the world. People still, despite all of the problems of the last decade, see through it and see the underlying reality of what a life in America can offer them and their children.
But we need to get back to believing our own story. We need to jettison a lot of the skepticism. I mean, there’s not a skeptic among you when it comes to being an entrepreneur. …
And what I really resent most about the obstructionists is they have such a narrow view of America. They see America in a way that is no longer reflective of the reality of who we are. They’re against Immigration for reasons that have to do with the past, not the future. They can’t figure out how to invest in the future, so they cut everything. You know, laying off, you know, young researchers, closing labs instead of saying, we’re better at this than anybody in the world, that’s where our money should go.
So when your CEO tells you you have to train your H-1B replacement if you want to collect your severance pay, that’s because your CEO isn’t optimistic about immigration. Or something. I can’t really follow Hillary’s train of thought on the subject.
They just have a backward-looking view of America. And they play on people’s fears, not on people’s hopes, and they have to be rejected. I don’t care what they call themselves. I don’t care where they’re from. They have to be rejected because they are fundamentally un-American.
Trying to explain their immigration policy always leaves progressives sounding like Joe McCarthy.
… I mean, American was an invention. It was an intellectual invention, and we have done pretty well for all these years. And these people want to just undermine that very profound sense of who we are. And we can’t let them do that.
After 8 years of being lectured by Obama, the semi-cool junior college professor, we can look forward to four more years of being lectured in virtually the same words — “who we are” — by Hillary, the uncool middle school assistant principal.
So it’s not just about politics or partisanship. It really goes to the heart of what it means to be American. And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately because he was a pretty smart guy, and he traveled around and looked at this country and came up with some profound observations about us. But he talked about how unique early Americans were because they mixed a rugged individualism with a sense of, you know, community well being. So the individual farmer would quit farming for a day to go somewhere to help raise a barn, for example.
I think I wrote a paper on the need to balance rugged individualism and community in 8th grade in 1972 and I used Hillary’s barn-raising analogy.
… We are a unique breed, and people come here from all over and kind of sign on to the social compact of what it means to be an American.
And we can’t afford to let people, for their own personal reasons, whether they be political, commercial, or whatever, undermine that. So, yeah, there’s a lot of to be said. And we need to say it more, and it doesn’t just need to come from, you know, people on platforms. It needs to come from everybody.
(Applause.)
One thing that is striking is just how dumbed down discourse gets when the topic turns to immigration policy. Here’s Hillary getting paid $225,000 or whatever to give the inside scoop to the smart money boys at Goldman, and yet she’s just shoveling the same lowbrow schmaltz on immigration we hear everywhere else, and the Goldman guys are lapping it up.
Wall Street is the second biggest consumer of H1-B visas. Hiring British people. I doubt the immigration restriction extremists here would even have a problem with that.
150,000 of the 450,000 new residents of California were legal H1Bs and H4s. And people fleeing California wonder why real estate got so expensive.
I do. I don't want to import any more specimens of homo financiensis.
In fact I can't recall a single new PhD from England who came on an H1B. Well maybe not a real Englishman but an Indian who had Brit citizenship or some such? But I don't even remember that.Replies: @Anon
Top of Drudge new Wapo poll sample is D+8! And in raw numbers 1/3 more dems than reps. Out of that phony calculation Hillary only ekes out a margin of error lead.
We are being gaslighted by rotten polls.
She is really nothing more than a cliché spouting robot — nice programming job — bitch.
:D
Seriously, as Clyde notes, it's just word salad meant to fill time and win powerful men's approval and weak women's votes.
Hillary more and more reminds me of this girl, who was so soundly ridiculed for her babble:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
I'd bet that somewhere in her psyche, Hillary thinks she's pretty and earnest and young like that teen beauty queen, and has no idea how grotesque she is.
Yet Politifact gave Trump a rating of “mostly false” the other day for his statement that Clinton wants open borders.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/12/donald-trump/trump-ive-been-proven-right-about-clinton-wanting-/
And? Why should I give a damn what politicfact says? What is politifact? A bunch of journalists deciding what is and is not true - the same journalists who have more-or-less openly admitted that they are taking sides in the current Presidential race. Do you imagine that they are completely disinterested dispensers of truth? Why don't you mention Snopes too. Moreover they are wrong and completely disingenuous here:
"We don’t have more context about what Clinton meant by “open borders” because she has not released the full speech. Her campaign has said she was talking about clean energy across the hemisphere."
Her campaign was lying. Politifact is lying. And so are you. "Open borders" has generally always meant: open to the free flow of people.
Tell us more about what the meaning of "is" is.
Does that mean they’ll leave European nation states alone? Oh, right…
The WSJ Editorial Page has been using “open borders” to mean unlimited immigration since 1984.
It’s impossible to have rugged individualism and “community” when you live in a big city. Besides, in a way rugged individualism is a luxury for people who don’t face threats as a collective. For everyone else, nationalism is the way to go.
It’s an environmental, quality of life issue rather than this cheesy moralizing about ‘who we are’. This country already has about 330M people in it. Were it to go up to 600M then that would profoundly alter everything irrevocably. Standard of living would be what? Whether one likes the newcomers or not is irrelevant, it would stress the environment and social life like never before. The politics would become unmanageable so there goes the Constitution; it was nice having it for a while. Ideally, a smaller population of better quality people would be best. With the Slave Power and people like Clinton it’s always a matter of how can they profit, money money money. They have no patriotism, no loyalty, no vision for the future, just how can they benefit and the heck with everybody else. They’ve discovered how to package their selfishness with moralizing lectures so as to sell it to the unwary public and their true believer followers.
When the Sierra Club was "bought" by David Gelbaum many years ago, they turned from the rational idea of population control in the USA, to basically open borders.
The content of her speeches is not at all important, it’s just a way for Goldman Sachs to legally buy influence. Though of course the open borders pablum is something they agree on.
I was watching clips of some British political shows and I was surprised to see they use the same “we are a nation of immigrants” line over in Britain.
Here in Canada we are constantly told that we should take more immigrants because we are 'a nation of immigrants' right before we get our daily brow-beating about the history of our immigrant ancestors marginalizing, exploiting and slaughtering the natives.
No one ever links the two together, except deplorable wackjobs like me.
Wait, I’m supposed to care that Wall Street hires a few hundred wealthy globalist Brits out of the thousands of other H1Bs they are flooding the country with? Ha.
150,000 of the 450,000 new residents of California were legal H1Bs and H4s. And people fleeing California wonder why real estate got so expensive.
I shouldn’t joke about this, but I could see Hillary bringing back HUAC hearings. Prominent racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, sexists, homophobes, anti-Semites, isolationists, and exposed Russian secret agents would be forced to testify about their “Un-American” activities.
What they want is something like the Human Rights Commissions of Canada, and their weak imitations known as college campus tribunals here.Replies: @unpc downunder
As several other posters have pointed out, we could easily end up in a civil war.
What joke? I take it for granted that they will do AT LEAST that. The globalists and their leftist slaves are totalitarians. We are in a situation where those of us who surrender will simply be eaten last. They want the last vestiges of what used to be called “America” or “Western Civilization” completely destroyed and maligned in history books.
I always enjoy being preached about community by people who hold the Ghettos to be a representation of assimilation. It really is funny. Has anyone noticed all the preachers of Open Borders have walled compounds with 24/7 security? They must be H8ers.
I’m guessing that reading a lot of Tocqueville for her means checking out Brainy Quote. Reading more than any 20 random pages will give one a lot different ideas of what made this country work.
Is this the same Dove Mountain where they had the gas station Open and Kevin Na took the 16 after he got in the middle of the chaperelle and did not take a drop? Typical murderous Nicklaus design before he realized not everyone was Jack Nicklaus.
More like the Star Chamber. Any open hearings run the risk of dissent seeping through into the mainstream.
What they want is something like the Human Rights Commissions of Canada, and their weak imitations known as college campus tribunals here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37628514
She’s just tossing out word salad. Using the Obama + Dems favorite cliche word “fear”, to condescend and put down Americans who object to our borders being open to the third world aka future Democrat voters.
As far as the general election goes it’s a massive exercise in brainwashing by the Dems. They like to see how many points they can push the polls by smearing Trump as a woman molester.
Joe Rogan has a good bit about this on one of podcasts.
With all of the typical environmental bogeymen like oil refineries, frackers, chemical plants, etc., the obvious answer to the biggest polluters is simply people. Large populations destroy the environment. They seek the products made by all of the bad polluters. Millions of people dump their urine and feces (treated ) into our waterways. Millions of drivers pump trillions of tons of NOx, CO and CO2 into our atmosphere. They fill our dumps with their refuse and on and on.
When the Sierra Club was “bought” by David Gelbaum many years ago, they turned from the rational idea of population control in the USA, to basically open borders.
Yes the Roman, Saxon, Viking and Norman ‘immigrations’ are recorded well. All those groups came over as paupers to work as cheap labour and learn the local language…
Ironically this line works better with islands. Specific movements of populations that are necessarily absorbed over centuries can happen versus a mainland where the next group just pushes the other away. (Missing, of course, are the centuries of segregation and inter-group conflict) They tend to be more pronounced and remembered, ironically this is also because there is so little movement of outsiders anyway.
It still baffles me that people will argue for this by mentioning something that happened over a 1000 years ago and involved bloody conquest and cultural genocide.
Hillary gets paid a quarter-mil to give a speech in private, but when she gives a speech in public, for free, nobody shows up. what’s wrong with this picture?
We have always been at war with white privilege.
HUAC-style hearings are now entirely superfluous. The can already get you fired, make you unemployable and send Soros -network thugs (antifa, BLM, La Raza, et al) to do to you whatever they think needs to be done.
And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately
So that’s what she’s up to when she holes up in Chappaqua for four days at a time.
Just yesterday on the "How Dumb Do We Have to Be..." post in comment #26 FKA Max said de Tocqueville predicted the Alt-Right.
Now we have Hillary saying (in 2013 of course) that she had been reading a lot of de Tocqueville.
Huh!
I wonder about the composition of her audience at Goldman. Could it be heavily populated by known supporters of open borders, like American Jews and transnational elites? Is it possible that most of these people went to the same schools and absorb the same media? Even if some are not member of such demographics and not caught in the hive-mind loop of the ruling class–if you work 90 hours a week chasing money, regardless of your high IQ, you might not have much time for independent reflection on strategic issues.
So that's what she's up to when she holes up in Chappaqua for four days at a time.Replies: @EriK, @Kylie, @BenKenobi
That line jumped out at me too. Like everything she says, it’s a lie.
“Here’s Hillary getting paid $225,000 or whatever to give the inside scoop to the smart money boys at Goldman…” Sorry, Steve, sounds naive. The $225,000 is just a thinly-disguised bribe–a sound investment for Goldman as long as Hillary then delivers political favors that are worth many millions to the banksters.
You know, when I read stuff like this, I seriously question Hillary’s intelligence.
Tocqueville was a “smart guy” who “traveled around” and “looked at this country and came up with some profound observations about us”?
This is high school stuff, if that. Nor is this on the campaign trail (where you may want to dumb stuff down) this is before an (allegedly) educated audience.
Also, this is a terrible speech. It’s not just that it’s sophistry — one expects that — but that it’s badly spoken, inarticulate, sophistry.
She was trained as a lawyer, no? Where are the verbal skills?
Honestly, I bang on and on about the ridiculousness of TED Talks, but for SWPL folks they are the apex of intelligent discourse.Replies: @celt darnell
The Davos crowd has succumbed to a dangerous group think on immigration. The fiscal consequences of letting in large numbers of low IQ groups is dangerous over the long term. The reason we can borrow money for so cheap is because the US has a good track record, but that was the old US. We’re gonna be a completely new country in the not too distant future if demographic trends continue. We’re fundamentally not the same country if we’re 45% white vs. if we’re 88% white. God help us, I see the US having a Greek style debt crisis in the medium term. We need to get our debt under control, and stop admitting all these low IQ foreigners.
The closest parallel to the immigration debate in terms of political correctness and overall stupidity is education. No child left behind is a preposterous piece of legislation, you know that and I know that, yet it passed both houses of congress and got signed by the president.
“So it still is the case that more people want to come here than anywhere else in the world. People still, despite all of the problems of the last decade, see through it and see the underlying reality of what a life in America can offer them and their children.”
What problems of the last decade? Barack Hussein Obama has been president for the last 8 years, is Crooked Hildabeast saying the first Black U.S president is not the greatest American president of all time?
“So it still is the case that more people want to come here than anywhere else in the world.”
That’s something Steve, Hillary and I can agree on.
“After 8 years of being lectured by Obama, the semi-cool junior college professor, we can look forward to four more years of being lectured in virtually the same words — “who we are” — by Hillary, the uncool middle school assistant principal.”
What would Trump be in this analogy? Wrestling coach trying to go varsity this election?
It’s not a joke. Hillary has already made comments to that effect. Don’t think she won’t after the shellacking she’s taken from Trump and his supporters. She’s gonna be looking for payback. At a minimum there will be a series of EO’s gutting the 2A and gun ownership, alt-right will be painted as a native terrorist movement and it’s members threatened into silence with the Patriot Act.
As several other posters have pointed out, we could easily end up in a civil war.
So that's what she's up to when she holes up in Chappaqua for four days at a time.Replies: @EriK, @Kylie, @BenKenobi
Yep. She keeps one eye on Tocqueville and one eye on Bill.
Surely it’s GS giving her $225,000, her reeling off tedious platitudes is just going through the motions, there has to appear to be a transaction. Other than the real one – buying her political power.
Update: Which I see JerryC already pointed out.
It's just a bribe.
However ... my boy Trump, despite Hillary giving him wide open opportunities again and again has somehow failed to point out that
-- Hillary is rich herself
-- hasn't done an honest day's labor in her life to earn it
-- but has collected "speaking fees" from Wall Street and foreign banks and governments--i.e. bribes for future favors; he could have quipped "trust me Hillary, these folks have about as much interest in listening to what you have to say as in an unnecessary trip to the dentist"
-- the voters have the chance to pull the plug on this scam by sending Hillary packing
Trump's my guy, but man how depressing to see him make an absolute hash of it.
She’s not being paid to shovel schmaltz. That’s like saying Michael Jordan was paid to put a ball through a hoop. No, he was paid to sell tickets. I leave it to you to guess what they pay Hillary for.
I was looking for the campaign strategizing done on HRC’s bank speeches as revealed by Tony Carrk. One of them had this great bit about Hillary talking about how the little people didn’t understand things the way she, you know, and Bill, you know, did now that they were, you know, RICH.
I didn’t find it but I did find her team fine-tuning a speech on energy policy. So I read it to see if it contained anything about open borders.
HRC in Iowa, July 27, 2015 in a speech on green energy.
My brief, so you don’t have to shovel:
Climate change, climate change, climate change.
(Edit notes on the speech’s “facts” from Emily Aden, “Research can’t verify this.” “This hasn’t happened yet.” and my favorite, “We can’t verify this, but WJC has said it.”)
Back to the content:
Jobs, jobs, jobs.
I am “Just a grandma with two eyes and a brain. And that’s enough to see what’s going on.”
Iowa leading the way…but we have more to do.
“So on day one as President, I will set two ambitious national goals for renewable energy.
First, we need to have more that half a billion solar panels installed across the country by the end of my first term.
Second, we’ll set a 10-year goal of generating enough renewable energy to power every single home in America.
Not some homes. Not most homes. Enough renewable energy to power every home in America.”
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8013
No open borders. No transmission lines. No farming the good citizens of Iowa for carbon taxes.
Yes, how can you possibly tell what a person’s position on “open borders” is based on them saying they want “open borders?” We need more context.
They just have a backward-looking view of America. And they play on people’s fears, not on people’s hopes, and they have to be rejected. I don’t care what they call themselves.
… but I like calling them deplorable …
I don’t care where they’re from. They have to be rejected because they are fundamentally un-American.
… as I said, they’re deplorable and furthermore irredeemable and must be rejected.
“I think I wrote a paper on the need to balance rugged individualism and community in 8th grade.”
That’s pretty funny. Perhaps you were just unusually precocious.
“Hillary, the uncool middle school assistant principal.”
There is a popular Disney Channel show with a person that fits that pretty well called Ant Farm.
Principal Skidmore
“Wall Street is the second biggest consumer of H1-B visas. Hiring British people. I doubt the immigration restriction extremists here would even have a problem with that.”
I do. I don’t want to import any more specimens of homo financiensis.
“They can’t figure out how to invest in the future, so they cut everything. You know, laying off, you know, young researchers, closing labs instead of saying, we’re better at this than anybody in the world, that’s where our money should go.”
Actually the kind of industrial labs that flourished in this country up until the 1970s (Bell Labs, GE, etc.) were mostly shut down at the behest of Wall Street.
As Steve said, nothing but the same worn-out cliches from Hillary: America is an invention, an idea, etc. To a lot of us, it is an actual place, a real nation, and our home. To Hillary and her owners, it is nothing but an asset to be traded.
“And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately because he was a pretty smart guy,…………”
Does anybody believe that? That Hillary was “reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately”? Or even that she was reading him at all? More likely, she remembered something about Tocquville from a college class or – even more likely – from hearing about him from an old “Alistair Cooke’s America” episode she saw in the 1970s, and decided to name drop him in her speech.
By the way, Hillary has come out with her own “Daisy” TV ad. It features a former USAF missile officer saying he doesn’t trust Trump with nuclear weapons. What scares me more is the thought of a missile officer who is that stupid. The idea that Trump would launch a nuclear attack because he got dissed is ridiculous. I don’t think even Hillary, vindictive shrew that she is, would do that. However I think that Hillary is more likely to blunder her way into a shooting war with a nuclear power. Her side (including the establishment Republicans) are already on their way to doing that.
https://twitter.com/mposner/status/787624190014660608
“Yet Politifact gave Trump a rating of “mostly false” the other day for his statement that Clinton wants open borders.”
And? Why should I give a damn what politicfact says? What is politifact? A bunch of journalists deciding what is and is not true – the same journalists who have more-or-less openly admitted that they are taking sides in the current Presidential race. Do you imagine that they are completely disinterested dispensers of truth? Why don’t you mention Snopes too. Moreover they are wrong and completely disingenuous here:
“We don’t have more context about what Clinton meant by “open borders” because she has not released the full speech. Her campaign has said she was talking about clean energy across the hemisphere.”
Her campaign was lying. Politifact is lying. And so are you. “Open borders” has generally always meant: open to the free flow of people.
Tell us more about what the meaning of “is” is.
Yeah, and it was an invention that required a very specific cultural background…….You know, stuff involving crimethink things like Anglo and Protestant and European…..
Thanks Lurker. Yeah, these guys aren’t paying Hillary Clinton for any “inside scoop”, or for a speech at all–even for globalist scum listening to Hillary speak has to rank right around “going to the dentist” in terms of desirability and the dentist visit actually does something for you.
It’s just a bribe.
However … my boy Trump, despite Hillary giving him wide open opportunities again and again has somehow failed to point out that
— Hillary is rich herself
— hasn’t done an honest day’s labor in her life to earn it
— but has collected “speaking fees” from Wall Street and foreign banks and governments–i.e. bribes for future favors; he could have quipped “trust me Hillary, these folks have about as much interest in listening to what you have to say as in an unnecessary trip to the dentist”
— the voters have the chance to pull the plug on this scam by sending Hillary packing
Trump’s my guy, but man how depressing to see him make an absolute hash of it.
Guess that that means that the Founders were “fundamentally un-American,” seeing as how the first immigration law was a tad on the restrictive side:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790
And then there’s mean old Benjamin Franklin:
Not to mention that current darling of SJW, honorary non-White Alexander Hamilton:
I don’t see how a rambling mess of a speech like this can give the Goldman Sachs crowd any confidence in her. Don’t most of the bankers in the room have to be thinking any one of us could do this job better than Hillary?
https://twitter.com/rabite/status/787688975758745600
Hey, hasn’t it been a while since anyone has seen Hillary? I’m starting to get worried. I’m starting to get really worried.
Putin might have kidnapped her.
Is there anyone we can call?
When did Hillary Clinton become a rugged individualist?
So that's what she's up to when she holes up in Chappaqua for four days at a time.Replies: @EriK, @Kylie, @BenKenobi
Some odd synchronicity here the past few days surrounding de Tocqueville.
Just yesterday on the “How Dumb Do We Have to Be…” post in comment #26 FKA Max said de Tocqueville predicted the Alt-Right.
Now we have Hillary saying (in 2013 of course) that she had been reading a lot of de Tocqueville.
Huh!
Hillary said, “these people want to just undermine that very profound sense of who we are.” She is the one who wishes to profoundly alter who we are by flooding our country through unlimited immigration from alien cultures.
You’ve got it backwards, Steve. The Goldman guys weren’t “lapping up” the “lowbrow schmaltz.” They didn’t give a damn what she said in the speech.
Rather, Hillary was lapping up the $225,000 in bribe money they paid her.
I had an uncle in SAC who explained this to me decades ago.
Senior officers are, of course, intimately involved with all defense contracting. They recommend, specify, evaluate the product and the level of performance the contractor provides. This of course goes up the chain, but their input-or selective lack of it at times- is key.
Officers who do their job effectively in this regard can and do cause the contractors a lot of grief. Modern military equipment, most especially frontline combat aircraft, is so insanely complicated that even the most disciplined and well meaning contractor has a huge laundry list of issues on any possible product.
Whistleblowers, sticklers, and 'Helpful Henry's' who make things less profitable know when they retire, Big Defense is going to shut them out. If they play ball, odds are good that there will be a fat cushy job with retirement and perks waiting.
The USAF is the poster boy for the spoiled service that wants only the most expensive weapons systems imaginable, for this reason but also to build their empire and have bigger budgets to spend each year. Effective simple weapons systems, like the A-10 (which they did get and have resented ever since) and the Piper/Cavalier Enforcer (which they fought off successfully) are anathema.
A new UPT (undergraduate pilot training) pupil now first takes to the air solo in a five million dollar airplane. No matter how simple, rugged and foolproof an airplane, civilian insurance companies will not write insurance for a five million dollar airplane to anyone without more flying hours than most Air Force fighter pilots complete their obligation of service with. (And it is not as bad now as it used to be.)
Tocqueville. LOL
She must have mentioned the intermediary civic institutions essential to the fledgling Democratic Republic, whose vitality was enshrined by the Freedom of Association, in another part of the speech.
Hillary has a reading comprehension problem, in addition to her other problems.
How do even know these are genuine?
If I was the Democrats I would take advantage of the hacked emails to ‘leak’ a speech that actually makes her sound pretty reasonable.
Yup. Dove Mountain looks like a very hard golf course. I think they make you take a forecaddy to find your ball in the desert and shoo away any scorpions or tarantulas sitting on it.
Dove Mountain always seemed (on TV) like a place where a 17 index like me would try to dump it in a bunker away from the pins.
“And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately because he was a pretty smart guy…”
De Tocqueville was smart, but Gobineau was smarter.
That president being George W. Bush, one might note. Clearly the rot straddles both parties , which is partly why both of them are on their last legs. I imagine the elite want Hillary elected, as that will buy them a little more time to figure out how to reconfigure the two-party Matrix for popular consumption. Trump is too loose of a cannon to help finesse that process.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/301196-axelrod-maybe-clinton-should-reconsider-final-debate
Trump suggests a pre-debate drug test.
Axelrod suggests that she should run away.
Hillary Clinton = Dolores Umbridge.
“But we need to get back to believing our own story.”
Down With the Man?
I didn’t see a lot of Brits on H1B’s on Wall Street. Lots of Chinese, Indians, Bulgarians, Russians, …
In fact I can’t recall a single new PhD from England who came on an H1B. Well maybe not a real Englishman but an Indian who had Brit citizenship or some such? But I don’t even remember that.
She must have mentioned the intermediary civic institutions essential to the fledgling Democratic Republic, whose vitality was enshrined by the Freedom of Association, in another part of the speech.Replies: @artichoke
After having recently fought the Barbary pirates, the idea of importing Muslims would have been seen as a joke. Of course the whole thing depended on having the right people.
Hillary has a reading comprehension problem, in addition to her other problems.
If I was the Democrats I would take advantage of the hacked emails to 'leak' a speech that actually makes her sound pretty reasonable.Replies: @artichoke
Hacks already happened before the Dems knew it. Anyway, there are a lot of unremarkable emails in there. But a lot of very remarkable ones too.
This debunks Hillary’s idea that there’s no evidence her home server was hacked. Does she think the hacker has to leave her a Pepe waving hi?
“Wall Street is the second biggest consumer of H1-B visas. “
In the mid-2000s I ran into entire cadres of Russians at these banks, probably heavily Jewish, in the high-analytics, computer, and research end of things. And not just at the bottom rung of things. Sharp guys with PhDs in math and the like from good places like Moscow University. It was interesting how fast these people left Russia and became well-established on Wall Street. They weren’t the only ones, but they stood out. The flip-side was that maybe they moved a little too fast and didn’t really know what they were doing.
Indeed, Trump will sabotage on purpose efforts to finesse that process, after what he’s had to face from both major parties.
Goldman Sachs has very little interest an anything Hillary says, just as defense contractors really do not care about the performance of the vast majority of the retired colonels and brigadier generals they hire. It’s a sophisticated form of bribery. They are paying them for what others in the future will do if they want on the gravy train too.
I had an uncle in SAC who explained this to me decades ago.
Senior officers are, of course, intimately involved with all defense contracting. They recommend, specify, evaluate the product and the level of performance the contractor provides. This of course goes up the chain, but their input-or selective lack of it at times- is key.
Officers who do their job effectively in this regard can and do cause the contractors a lot of grief. Modern military equipment, most especially frontline combat aircraft, is so insanely complicated that even the most disciplined and well meaning contractor has a huge laundry list of issues on any possible product.
Whistleblowers, sticklers, and ‘Helpful Henry’s’ who make things less profitable know when they retire, Big Defense is going to shut them out. If they play ball, odds are good that there will be a fat cushy job with retirement and perks waiting.
The USAF is the poster boy for the spoiled service that wants only the most expensive weapons systems imaginable, for this reason but also to build their empire and have bigger budgets to spend each year. Effective simple weapons systems, like the A-10 (which they did get and have resented ever since) and the Piper/Cavalier Enforcer (which they fought off successfully) are anathema.
A new UPT (undergraduate pilot training) pupil now first takes to the air solo in a five million dollar airplane. No matter how simple, rugged and foolproof an airplane, civilian insurance companies will not write insurance for a five million dollar airplane to anyone without more flying hours than most Air Force fighter pilots complete their obligation of service with. (And it is not as bad now as it used to be.)
IB guys are smart, but insecure and conformist. They spend four years obsessing over being the best in their class at Yalevard just to become 80+ hr/wk coffee and powerpoint monkeys. Wallstreetoasis.com is a great window into this phenomenon.
In addition to the H1-B, something that seems to be growing these days is OPT (Optional Practical Training):
F-1 Optional Practical Training (OPT):
If you answered yes to most of the questions above, click next to learn more about the eligibility requirements for an F-1 OPT application and tips to keep in mind when submitting your evidence.
I guess “most of the questions” would mean 2.
(p.s. If you have been under a rock and aren’t into the jargon for these things, “practical training” means a job. Funny thing, jobs have a way of leading to permanent status, marriage, anchor babies, that sort of thing.)
“University IT employees fighting for jobs question security”, Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, Oct 14, 2016:
Indeed. And some of those observations involved the racial and cultural character of the people who founded Anglo-America:
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/detoc/1_ch02.htm
Nobody at Goldman’s was really interested in what she said. The $225,000 was simply a bribe.
In fact I can't recall a single new PhD from England who came on an H1B. Well maybe not a real Englishman but an Indian who had Brit citizenship or some such? But I don't even remember that.Replies: @Anon
If you’re going to make the claim we’re letting in a bunch of Derbs, I have to disagree. It’s highly unlikely there are more than a handful in all of the thousands we are letting in.
Read through the transcripts, and they were pure boilerplate. If America is one big high school, then Trump is the unreconstructed jock, and Hillary is the over-ambitious student whose looks and intelligence are on the mediocre side, but whose work ethic and raw desire for recognition are top notch.
Hillary’s comments on immigration highlight an ugly habit of hers, namely her tendency to present only one side of each story, either due to intellectual sloth or to malicious duplicity. She is right in saying that America’s universities attract valuable groups of people, such as bright ambitious people and the children of foreign leaders. And she is correct in pointing out that American is an immigrant nation and a beacon of hope and so on.
But of course, the problem many Americans have is not with the foreign graduates of American universities or the winners of the Green Card lottery. The problem is with illegal immigrants and H1-B mediocrities hired expressly for the purpose of undermining wages; and with dubious “refugees” imported out of moral grand-standing. That’s the problem and it is a legitimate problem.
Here is another example of Hillary’s narrow views on issues. At one point she mentions that Iran is the leading promoter of terrorism in the world. That’s fine and dandy; but what about the Saudis, who happen to be major contributors to the Clinton Foundation?
If Obama is the “the semi-cool junior college professor”, the Hillary may be something like the opinionated high-school social studies teacher – an abject mediocrity utterly convinced of its own moral and intellectual superiority and mandate to save the world.
(By the way, Bill Clinton, for all his faults, was a Rhodes Scholar and a person universally lauded for being remarkably charismatic.)
As it stands, those foreign students are liars anyway. To get their student visas, every single one of them had to swear that they had no immigration *intention*. Yet most of them try to immigrate when they graduate from their programs. Did they all have no idea from generations before what the USA is like? Are they all amazed when they get here? No of course not, these are the most rational young people in the world. They *lied*, under oath.
Then they come here, and they get the most legitimate H1B visas, and everyone says they're great immigrants. They do bring high IQ's here, but we have enough of our own that we are cutting off when they cannot get admitted. And foreign professors prefer to bring over more from their own countries -- you see they are allowed to be racist, we're not. Yet, it's our undergraduate tuition payments and government research grants that are supporting these universities. Force them to serve Americans.
Triggered by another post here on population growth related to immigration:
A plot of Syrian population growth from 1960 to the present (data from the UN):
Syrian Demography
From Demographics of Syria.
“Syria grapples with surging population”,
Alistair Lyon, Reuters, Jun 3, 2010:
A few weeks back I played the doomed Wolf Run outside Indianapolis. Butler is hard. Wolf Run is stupid. About seven yards off every fairway is waist high natural areas. I lost so many balls. It plays something like 7400 yards from the tips, 6500 or so where we played. The only way to play is bunt off the tee with a hybrid.
Dove Mountain always seemed (on TV) like a place where a 17 index like me would try to dump it in a bunker away from the pins.
Tocqueville was a "smart guy" who "traveled around" and "looked at this country and came up with some profound observations about us"?
This is high school stuff, if that. Nor is this on the campaign trail (where you may want to dumb stuff down) this is before an (allegedly) educated audience.
Also, this is a terrible speech. It's not just that it's sophistry -- one expects that -- but that it's badly spoken, inarticulate, sophistry.
She was trained as a lawyer, no? Where are the verbal skills?Replies: @Hodag
What do you expect, Umberto Eco? She has to say something. Banalities are the order of the day.
Honestly, I bang on and on about the ridiculousness of TED Talks, but for SWPL folks they are the apex of intelligent discourse.
But I'd expect at least a college-level observation.
Agreed, re: TED Talks.
What’s a Derb ?
Rather than bringing over so many foreigner to receive full tuition fellowships for PhD programs at our finest universities, we should admit more Americans. We have a lot of Americans who could do good work and since white people tend to peak late, they may outperform a foreigner who looks a bit better on paper in their 20’s.
As it stands, those foreign students are liars anyway. To get their student visas, every single one of them had to swear that they had no immigration *intention*. Yet most of them try to immigrate when they graduate from their programs. Did they all have no idea from generations before what the USA is like? Are they all amazed when they get here? No of course not, these are the most rational young people in the world. They *lied*, under oath.
Then they come here, and they get the most legitimate H1B visas, and everyone says they’re great immigrants. They do bring high IQ’s here, but we have enough of our own that we are cutting off when they cannot get admitted. And foreign professors prefer to bring over more from their own countries — you see they are allowed to be racist, we’re not. Yet, it’s our undergraduate tuition payments and government research grants that are supporting these universities. Force them to serve Americans.
Ah – that’s why her eyes move independently, like a chameleon’s.
What they want is something like the Human Rights Commissions of Canada, and their weak imitations known as college campus tribunals here.Replies: @unpc downunder
Hey, didn’t you know Canada is no longer an enlightened liberal utopia but is now a hotbed of violent white nationalism. According to the BBC at least three dozen homes in BC have received leaflets from the dreaded KKK!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37628514
You just described the movie “Election.” The jock loses by one vote because he doesn’t vote for himself, as I recall.
A Derb is a human male of British extraction, famous for writing books about math (or “maths”) and books with grumpy cartoons on the cover. Derbs are thought-criminals who lose jobs for emulating black people. They are a scourge, though not *the* scourge, of Housebroken Conservatives.
They have Asiany interests and blaspheme about genes.
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/Reports%20and%20Studies/H-1B/h-1B-characteristics-report-14.pdf
3000/300,000 H1Bs in 2014 were from the UK. No details on the ethnicity of said UKers. My guess is that most are not eternal pessimists from Northampton.
It’s absurd how well the line works, too.
Here in Canada we are constantly told that we should take more immigrants because we are ‘a nation of immigrants’ right before we get our daily brow-beating about the history of our immigrant ancestors marginalizing, exploiting and slaughtering the natives.
No one ever links the two together, except deplorable wackjobs like me.
By the way, I just pulled this doc:
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/Reports%20and%20Studies/H-1B/h-1B-characteristics-report-14.pdf
3000/300,000 H1Bs in 2014 were from the UK. No details on the ethnicity of said UKers. My guess is that most are not eternal pessimists from Northampton.
Election is a very funny movie.
Honestly, I bang on and on about the ridiculousness of TED Talks, but for SWPL folks they are the apex of intelligent discourse.Replies: @celt darnell
Umberto Eco? No.
But I’d expect at least a college-level observation.
Agreed, re: TED Talks.
Hilary Clinton: “Don’t have a backwards looking view of your country, one where you look at the past for who you are. Get what your country’s about by reading de Tocqueville’s account from the early 19th century.”
Eh? What’s that all about?
We don’t have context! Clinton/Kaine has consistently signaled that we must welcome mass immigration because hope and that deportation (fear) should be consigned to the dustbin of history.
There is a popular Disney Channel show with a person that fits that pretty well called Ant Farm.
Principal SkidmoreReplies: @FX Enderby
Principal Skidmore is much cooler than Hillary.
Putin might have kidnapped her.
Is there anyone we can call?Replies: @FX Enderby
Check Luke Ford’s excellent blog: What’s Wrong With Hillary?
That's something Steve, Hillary and I can agree on.Replies: @TheJester
There is a Catch 22 here ….
The United States is a sexist, racist, polluted cesspool ruled by a white European male hierarchy. We have that on the best evidence offered by (white) feminists, blacks, hispanics, asians, and all of the other “victim groups” that constitute at least 70% of our population. Think about that! 30% of the white male population holding the remaining 70% (at least 226 million people) in bondage of one kind or another … sometimes blatant but at other times institutionalized, implicit, or just felt.
Therefore, if new immigrant groups want to come here to likewise become “victims” of the white European male hierarchy, we can’t let them because no person of sound mind and body would want to come here. Their desire to immigrate is concrete evidence of a serious psychological disorder that disqualifies them from immigrating. QED
I was going to say something very similar, though I thought our gentlemanly host might not like the b-word.
😀
Seriously, as Clyde notes, it’s just word salad meant to fill time and win powerful men’s approval and weak women’s votes.
Hillary more and more reminds me of this girl, who was so soundly ridiculed for her babble:
I’d bet that somewhere in her psyche, Hillary thinks she’s pretty and earnest and young like that teen beauty queen, and has no idea how grotesque she is.