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From the transcript of Hillary Clinton’s expensive question & answer session with Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs at Dove Mountain in October 2013:

So yes, we do have to get back to telling the American Story and telling it to ourselves first and foremost. That’s why Immigration reform is so important. I mean, get immigration reform done you. It sends exactly the signal you’re talking about.

(Applause.)

CLINTON: Get it fixed so that the people who have been here working hard, building futures, are given the chance to become American citizens. There’s no requirement that they do, but they would be given that path to citizenship.

So it still is the case that more people want to come here than anywhere else in the world. People still, despite all of the problems of the last decade, see through it and see the underlying reality of what a life in America can offer them and their children.

But we need to get back to believing our own story. We need to jettison a lot of the skepticism. I mean, there’s not a skeptic among you when it comes to being an entrepreneur. …

And what I really resent most about the obstructionists is they have such a narrow view of America. They see America in a way that is no longer reflective of the reality of who we are. They’re against Immigration for reasons that have to do with the past, not the future. They can’t figure out how to invest in the future, so they cut everything. You know, laying off, you know, young researchers, closing labs instead of saying, we’re better at this than anybody in the world, that’s where our money should go.

So when your CEO tells you you have to train your H-1B replacement if you want to collect your severance pay, that’s because your CEO isn’t optimistic about immigration. Or something. I can’t really follow Hillary’s train of thought on the subject.

They just have a backward-looking view of America. And they play on people’s fears, not on people’s hopes, and they have to be rejected. I don’t care what they call themselves. I don’t care where they’re from. They have to be rejected because they are fundamentally un-American.

Trying to explain their immigration policy always leaves progressives sounding like Joe McCarthy.

… I mean, American was an invention. It was an intellectual invention, and we have done pretty well for all these years. And these people want to just undermine that very profound sense of who we are. And we can’t let them do that.

After 8 years of being lectured by Obama, the semi-cool junior college professor, we can look forward to four more years of being lectured in virtually the same words — “who we are” — by Hillary, the uncool middle school assistant principal.

So it’s not just about politics or partisanship. It really goes to the heart of what it means to be American. And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately because he was a pretty smart guy, and he traveled around and looked at this country and came up with some profound observations about us. But he talked about how unique early Americans were because they mixed a rugged individualism with a sense of, you know, community well being. So the individual farmer would quit farming for a day to go somewhere to help raise a barn, for example.

I think I wrote a paper on the need to balance rugged individualism and community in 8th grade in 1972 and I used Hillary’s barn-raising analogy.

… We are a unique breed, and people come here from all over and kind of sign on to the social compact of what it means to be an American.

And we can’t afford to let people, for their own personal reasons, whether they be political, commercial, or whatever, undermine that. So, yeah, there’s a lot of to be said. And we need to say it more, and it doesn’t just need to come from, you know, people on platforms. It needs to come from everybody.

(Applause.)

One thing that is striking is just how dumbed down discourse gets when the topic turns to immigration policy. Here’s Hillary getting paid $225,000 or whatever to give the inside scoop to the smart money boys at Goldman, and yet she’s just shoveling the same lowbrow schmaltz on immigration we hear everywhere else, and the Goldman guys are lapping it up.

 
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  1. Wall Street is the second biggest consumer of H1-B visas. Hiring British people. I doubt the immigration restriction extremists here would even have a problem with that.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Wait, I'm supposed to care that Wall Street hires a few hundred wealthy globalist Brits out of the thousands of other H1Bs they are flooding the country with? Ha.

    150,000 of the 450,000 new residents of California were legal H1Bs and H4s. And people fleeing California wonder why real estate got so expensive.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "Wall Street is the second biggest consumer of H1-B visas. Hiring British people. I doubt the immigration restriction extremists here would even have a problem with that."

    I do. I don't want to import any more specimens of homo financiensis.

    , @artichoke
    @Anonymous

    I didn't see a lot of Brits on H1B's on Wall Street. Lots of Chinese, Indians, Bulgarians, Russians, ...

    In fact I can't recall a single new PhD from England who came on an H1B. Well maybe not a real Englishman but an Indian who had Brit citizenship or some such? But I don't even remember that.

    Replies: @Anon

  2. Top of Drudge new Wapo poll sample is D+8! And in raw numbers 1/3 more dems than reps. Out of that phony calculation Hillary only ekes out a margin of error lead.

    We are being gaslighted by rotten polls.

  3. She is really nothing more than a cliché spouting robot — nice programming job — bitch.

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @eah


    She is really nothing more than a cliché spouting robot
     
    She's just tossing out word salad. Using the Obama + Dems favorite cliche word "fear", to condescend and put down Americans who object to our borders being open to the third world aka future Democrat voters.

    As far as the general election goes it's a massive exercise in brainwashing by the Dems. They like to see how many points they can push the polls by smearing Trump as a woman molester.

    , @Olorin
    @eah

    I was going to say something very similar, though I thought our gentlemanly host might not like the b-word.

    :D

    Seriously, as Clyde notes, it's just word salad meant to fill time and win powerful men's approval and weak women's votes.

    Hillary more and more reminds me of this girl, who was so soundly ridiculed for her babble:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

    I'd bet that somewhere in her psyche, Hillary thinks she's pretty and earnest and young like that teen beauty queen, and has no idea how grotesque she is.

  4. Yet Politifact gave Trump a rating of “mostly false” the other day for his statement that Clinton wants open borders.

    Trump is referring to a leaked speech excerpt in which Clinton purportedly says, “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”

    We don’t have more context about what Clinton meant by “open borders” because she has not released the full speech. Her campaign has said she was talking about clean energy across the hemisphere.

    Trump argues that it directly applies to her current immigration policy. She has not called for open borders in this campaign. Clinton has proposed making it easier for the current undocumented population to gain a path to citizenship with conditions, but she has also supported beefed-up border security.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/12/donald-trump/trump-ive-been-proven-right-about-clinton-wanting-/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @randomguy

    The WSJ Editorial Page has been using "open borders" to mean unlimited immigration since 1984.

    Replies: @Altai

    , @guest
    @randomguy

    Yes, how can you possibly tell what a person's position on "open borders" is based on them saying they want "open borders?" We need more context.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @randomguy

    "Yet Politifact gave Trump a rating of “mostly false” the other day for his statement that Clinton wants open borders."

    And? Why should I give a damn what politicfact says? What is politifact? A bunch of journalists deciding what is and is not true - the same journalists who have more-or-less openly admitted that they are taking sides in the current Presidential race. Do you imagine that they are completely disinterested dispensers of truth? Why don't you mention Snopes too. Moreover they are wrong and completely disingenuous here:

    "We don’t have more context about what Clinton meant by “open borders” because she has not released the full speech. Her campaign has said she was talking about clean energy across the hemisphere."

    Her campaign was lying. Politifact is lying. And so are you. "Open borders" has generally always meant: open to the free flow of people.

    Tell us more about what the meaning of "is" is.

    , @FX Enderby
    @randomguy

    We don’t have context! Clinton/Kaine has consistently signaled that we must welcome mass immigration because hope and that deportation (fear) should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

  5. We are a unique breed, and people come here from all over and kind of sign on to the social compact of what it means to be an American.

    Does that mean they’ll leave European nation states alone? Oh, right…

    • Replies: @gregor
    @Altai

    I was watching clips of some British political shows and I was surprised to see they use the same "we are a nation of immigrants" line over in Britain.

    Replies: @Altai, @Monopthalmus

  6. @randomguy
    Yet Politifact gave Trump a rating of "mostly false" the other day for his statement that Clinton wants open borders.

    Trump is referring to a leaked speech excerpt in which Clinton purportedly says, "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere."

    We don’t have more context about what Clinton meant by "open borders" because she has not released the full speech. Her campaign has said she was talking about clean energy across the hemisphere.

    Trump argues that it directly applies to her current immigration policy. She has not called for open borders in this campaign. Clinton has proposed making it easier for the current undocumented population to gain a path to citizenship with conditions, but she has also supported beefed-up border security.
     
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/12/donald-trump/trump-ive-been-proven-right-about-clinton-wanting-/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest, @Mr. Anon, @FX Enderby

    The WSJ Editorial Page has been using “open borders” to mean unlimited immigration since 1984.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Steve Sailer

    We have always been at war with white privilege.

  7. It’s impossible to have rugged individualism and “community” when you live in a big city. Besides, in a way rugged individualism is a luxury for people who don’t face threats as a collective. For everyone else, nationalism is the way to go.

  8. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s an environmental, quality of life issue rather than this cheesy moralizing about ‘who we are’. This country already has about 330M people in it. Were it to go up to 600M then that would profoundly alter everything irrevocably. Standard of living would be what? Whether one likes the newcomers or not is irrelevant, it would stress the environment and social life like never before. The politics would become unmanageable so there goes the Constitution; it was nice having it for a while. Ideally, a smaller population of better quality people would be best. With the Slave Power and people like Clinton it’s always a matter of how can they profit, money money money. They have no patriotism, no loyalty, no vision for the future, just how can they benefit and the heck with everybody else. They’ve discovered how to package their selfishness with moralizing lectures so as to sell it to the unwary public and their true believer followers.

    • Replies: @WJ
    @anonymous

    With all of the typical environmental bogeymen like oil refineries, frackers, chemical plants, etc., the obvious answer to the biggest polluters is simply people. Large populations destroy the environment. They seek the products made by all of the bad polluters. Millions of people dump their urine and feces (treated ) into our waterways. Millions of drivers pump trillions of tons of NOx, CO and CO2 into our atmosphere. They fill our dumps with their refuse and on and on.

    When the Sierra Club was "bought" by David Gelbaum many years ago, they turned from the rational idea of population control in the USA, to basically open borders.

  9. The content of her speeches is not at all important, it’s just a way for Goldman Sachs to legally buy influence. Though of course the open borders pablum is something they agree on.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @JW Bell
    @JerryC

    Joe Rogan has a good bit about this on one of podcasts.

    , @Barnard
    @JerryC

    I don't see how a rambling mess of a speech like this can give the Goldman Sachs crowd any confidence in her. Don't most of the bankers in the room have to be thinking any one of us could do this job better than Hillary?

  10. @Altai

    We are a unique breed, and people come here from all over and kind of sign on to the social compact of what it means to be an American.
     
    Does that mean they'll leave European nation states alone? Oh, right...

    Replies: @gregor

    I was watching clips of some British political shows and I was surprised to see they use the same “we are a nation of immigrants” line over in Britain.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @gregor

    Yes the Roman, Saxon, Viking and Norman 'immigrations' are recorded well. All those groups came over as paupers to work as cheap labour and learn the local language...

    Ironically this line works better with islands. Specific movements of populations that are necessarily absorbed over centuries can happen versus a mainland where the next group just pushes the other away. (Missing, of course, are the centuries of segregation and inter-group conflict) They tend to be more pronounced and remembered, ironically this is also because there is so little movement of outsiders anyway.

    It still baffles me that people will argue for this by mentioning something that happened over a 1000 years ago and involved bloody conquest and cultural genocide.

    , @Monopthalmus
    @gregor

    It's absurd how well the line works, too.

    Here in Canada we are constantly told that we should take more immigrants because we are 'a nation of immigrants' right before we get our daily brow-beating about the history of our immigrant ancestors marginalizing, exploiting and slaughtering the natives.

    No one ever links the two together, except deplorable wackjobs like me.

  11. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Wall Street is the second biggest consumer of H1-B visas. Hiring British people. I doubt the immigration restriction extremists here would even have a problem with that.

    Replies: @Anon, @Mr. Anon, @artichoke

    Wait, I’m supposed to care that Wall Street hires a few hundred wealthy globalist Brits out of the thousands of other H1Bs they are flooding the country with? Ha.

    150,000 of the 450,000 new residents of California were legal H1Bs and H4s. And people fleeing California wonder why real estate got so expensive.

  12. I shouldn’t joke about this, but I could see Hillary bringing back HUAC hearings. Prominent racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, sexists, homophobes, anti-Semites, isolationists, and exposed Russian secret agents would be forced to testify about their “Un-American” activities.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @JohnnyD

    What joke? I take it for granted that they will do AT LEAST that. The globalists and their leftist slaves are totalitarians. We are in a situation where those of us who surrender will simply be eaten last. They want the last vestiges of what used to be called "America" or "Western Civilization" completely destroyed and maligned in history books.

    , @Maj. Kong
    @JohnnyD

    More like the Star Chamber. Any open hearings run the risk of dissent seeping through into the mainstream.

    What they want is something like the Human Rights Commissions of Canada, and their weak imitations known as college campus tribunals here.

    Replies: @unpc downunder

    , @fnn
    @JohnnyD

    HUAC-style hearings are now entirely superfluous. The can already get you fired, make you unemployable and send Soros -network thugs (antifa, BLM, La Raza, et al) to do to you whatever they think needs to be done.

    , @rod1963
    @JohnnyD

    It's not a joke. Hillary has already made comments to that effect. Don't think she won't after the shellacking she's taken from Trump and his supporters. She's gonna be looking for payback. At a minimum there will be a series of EO's gutting the 2A and gun ownership, alt-right will be painted as a native terrorist movement and it's members threatened into silence with the Patriot Act.

    As several other posters have pointed out, we could easily end up in a civil war.

  13. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyD
    I shouldn't joke about this, but I could see Hillary bringing back HUAC hearings. Prominent racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, sexists, homophobes, anti-Semites, isolationists, and exposed Russian secret agents would be forced to testify about their "Un-American" activities.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Maj. Kong, @fnn, @rod1963

    What joke? I take it for granted that they will do AT LEAST that. The globalists and their leftist slaves are totalitarians. We are in a situation where those of us who surrender will simply be eaten last. They want the last vestiges of what used to be called “America” or “Western Civilization” completely destroyed and maligned in history books.

  14. I always enjoy being preached about community by people who hold the Ghettos to be a representation of assimilation. It really is funny. Has anyone noticed all the preachers of Open Borders have walled compounds with 24/7 security? They must be H8ers.

  15. I’m guessing that reading a lot of Tocqueville for her means checking out Brainy Quote. Reading more than any 20 random pages will give one a lot different ideas of what made this country work.

  16. Is this the same Dove Mountain where they had the gas station Open and Kevin Na took the 16 after he got in the middle of the chaperelle and did not take a drop? Typical murderous Nicklaus design before he realized not everyone was Jack Nicklaus.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Hodag

    Yup. Dove Mountain looks like a very hard golf course. I think they make you take a forecaddy to find your ball in the desert and shoo away any scorpions or tarantulas sitting on it.

    Replies: @Hodag

  17. @JohnnyD
    I shouldn't joke about this, but I could see Hillary bringing back HUAC hearings. Prominent racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, sexists, homophobes, anti-Semites, isolationists, and exposed Russian secret agents would be forced to testify about their "Un-American" activities.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Maj. Kong, @fnn, @rod1963

    More like the Star Chamber. Any open hearings run the risk of dissent seeping through into the mainstream.

    What they want is something like the Human Rights Commissions of Canada, and their weak imitations known as college campus tribunals here.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    @Maj. Kong

    Hey, didn't you know Canada is no longer an enlightened liberal utopia but is now a hotbed of violent white nationalism. According to the BBC at least three dozen homes in BC have received leaflets from the dreaded KKK!

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37628514

  18. @eah
    She is really nothing more than a cliché spouting robot -- nice programming job -- bitch.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Olorin

    She is really nothing more than a cliché spouting robot

    She’s just tossing out word salad. Using the Obama + Dems favorite cliche word “fear”, to condescend and put down Americans who object to our borders being open to the third world aka future Democrat voters.

    As far as the general election goes it’s a massive exercise in brainwashing by the Dems. They like to see how many points they can push the polls by smearing Trump as a woman molester.

  19. @JerryC
    The content of her speeches is not at all important, it's just a way for Goldman Sachs to legally buy influence. Though of course the open borders pablum is something they agree on.

    Replies: @JW Bell, @Barnard

    Joe Rogan has a good bit about this on one of podcasts.

  20. @anonymous
    It's an environmental, quality of life issue rather than this cheesy moralizing about 'who we are'. This country already has about 330M people in it. Were it to go up to 600M then that would profoundly alter everything irrevocably. Standard of living would be what? Whether one likes the newcomers or not is irrelevant, it would stress the environment and social life like never before. The politics would become unmanageable so there goes the Constitution; it was nice having it for a while. Ideally, a smaller population of better quality people would be best. With the Slave Power and people like Clinton it's always a matter of how can they profit, money money money. They have no patriotism, no loyalty, no vision for the future, just how can they benefit and the heck with everybody else. They've discovered how to package their selfishness with moralizing lectures so as to sell it to the unwary public and their true believer followers.

    Replies: @WJ

    With all of the typical environmental bogeymen like oil refineries, frackers, chemical plants, etc., the obvious answer to the biggest polluters is simply people. Large populations destroy the environment. They seek the products made by all of the bad polluters. Millions of people dump their urine and feces (treated ) into our waterways. Millions of drivers pump trillions of tons of NOx, CO and CO2 into our atmosphere. They fill our dumps with their refuse and on and on.

    When the Sierra Club was “bought” by David Gelbaum many years ago, they turned from the rational idea of population control in the USA, to basically open borders.

  21. @gregor
    @Altai

    I was watching clips of some British political shows and I was surprised to see they use the same "we are a nation of immigrants" line over in Britain.

    Replies: @Altai, @Monopthalmus

    Yes the Roman, Saxon, Viking and Norman ‘immigrations’ are recorded well. All those groups came over as paupers to work as cheap labour and learn the local language…

    Ironically this line works better with islands. Specific movements of populations that are necessarily absorbed over centuries can happen versus a mainland where the next group just pushes the other away. (Missing, of course, are the centuries of segregation and inter-group conflict) They tend to be more pronounced and remembered, ironically this is also because there is so little movement of outsiders anyway.

    It still baffles me that people will argue for this by mentioning something that happened over a 1000 years ago and involved bloody conquest and cultural genocide.

  22. Hillary gets paid a quarter-mil to give a speech in private, but when she gives a speech in public, for free, nobody shows up. what’s wrong with this picture?

  23. @Steve Sailer
    @randomguy

    The WSJ Editorial Page has been using "open borders" to mean unlimited immigration since 1984.

    Replies: @Altai

    We have always been at war with white privilege.

  24. @JohnnyD
    I shouldn't joke about this, but I could see Hillary bringing back HUAC hearings. Prominent racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, sexists, homophobes, anti-Semites, isolationists, and exposed Russian secret agents would be forced to testify about their "Un-American" activities.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Maj. Kong, @fnn, @rod1963

    HUAC-style hearings are now entirely superfluous. The can already get you fired, make you unemployable and send Soros -network thugs (antifa, BLM, La Raza, et al) to do to you whatever they think needs to be done.

  25. And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately

    So that’s what she’s up to when she holes up in Chappaqua for four days at a time.

    • Replies: @EriK
    @Harry Baldwin

    That line jumped out at me too. Like everything she says, it's a lie.

    , @Kylie
    @Harry Baldwin

    Yep. She keeps one eye on Tocqueville and one eye on Bill.

    Replies: @Eagle Eye

    , @BenKenobi
    @Harry Baldwin

    Some odd synchronicity here the past few days surrounding de Tocqueville.

    Just yesterday on the "How Dumb Do We Have to Be..." post in comment #26 FKA Max said de Tocqueville predicted the Alt-Right.

    Now we have Hillary saying (in 2013 of course) that she had been reading a lot of de Tocqueville.

    Huh!

  26. I wonder about the composition of her audience at Goldman. Could it be heavily populated by known supporters of open borders, like American Jews and transnational elites? Is it possible that most of these people went to the same schools and absorb the same media? Even if some are not member of such demographics and not caught in the hive-mind loop of the ruling class–if you work 90 hours a week chasing money, regardless of your high IQ, you might not have much time for independent reflection on strategic issues.

  27. @Harry Baldwin
    And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately

    So that's what she's up to when she holes up in Chappaqua for four days at a time.

    Replies: @EriK, @Kylie, @BenKenobi

    That line jumped out at me too. Like everything she says, it’s a lie.

  28. “Here’s Hillary getting paid $225,000 or whatever to give the inside scoop to the smart money boys at Goldman…” Sorry, Steve, sounds naive. The $225,000 is just a thinly-disguised bribe–a sound investment for Goldman as long as Hillary then delivers political favors that are worth many millions to the banksters.

  29. And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately because he was a pretty smart guy, and he traveled around and looked at this country and came up with some profound observations about us.

    You know, when I read stuff like this, I seriously question Hillary’s intelligence.

    Tocqueville was a “smart guy” who “traveled around” and “looked at this country and came up with some profound observations about us”?

    This is high school stuff, if that. Nor is this on the campaign trail (where you may want to dumb stuff down) this is before an (allegedly) educated audience.

    Also, this is a terrible speech. It’s not just that it’s sophistry — one expects that — but that it’s badly spoken, inarticulate, sophistry.

    She was trained as a lawyer, no? Where are the verbal skills?

    • Replies: @Hodag
    @celt darnell

    What do you expect, Umberto Eco? She has to say something. Banalities are the order of the day.

    Honestly, I bang on and on about the ridiculousness of TED Talks, but for SWPL folks they are the apex of intelligent discourse.

    Replies: @celt darnell

  30. One thing that is striking is just how dumbed down discourse gets when the topic turns to immigration policy. Here’s Hillary getting paid $225,000 or whatever to give the inside scoop to the smart money boys at Goldman, and yet she’s just shoveling the same lowbrow schmaltz on immigration we hear everywhere else, and the Goldman guys are lapping it up.

    The Davos crowd has succumbed to a dangerous group think on immigration. The fiscal consequences of letting in large numbers of low IQ groups is dangerous over the long term. The reason we can borrow money for so cheap is because the US has a good track record, but that was the old US. We’re gonna be a completely new country in the not too distant future if demographic trends continue. We’re fundamentally not the same country if we’re 45% white vs. if we’re 88% white. God help us, I see the US having a Greek style debt crisis in the medium term. We need to get our debt under control, and stop admitting all these low IQ foreigners.

    The closest parallel to the immigration debate in terms of political correctness and overall stupidity is education. No child left behind is a preposterous piece of legislation, you know that and I know that, yet it passed both houses of congress and got signed by the president.

    • Replies: @Laugh Track
    @Lord Jeff Sessions


    The closest parallel to the immigration debate in terms of political correctness and overall stupidity is education. No child left behind is a preposterous piece of legislation, you know that and I know that, yet it passed both houses of congress and got signed by the president.
     
    That president being George W. Bush, one might note. Clearly the rot straddles both parties , which is partly why both of them are on their last legs. I imagine the elite want Hillary elected, as that will buy them a little more time to figure out how to reconfigure the two-party Matrix for popular consumption. Trump is too loose of a cannon to help finesse that process.

    Replies: @artichoke

  31. “So it still is the case that more people want to come here than anywhere else in the world. People still, despite all of the problems of the last decade, see through it and see the underlying reality of what a life in America can offer them and their children.”

    What problems of the last decade? Barack Hussein Obama has been president for the last 8 years, is Crooked Hildabeast saying the first Black U.S president is not the greatest American president of all time?

  32. “So it still is the case that more people want to come here than anywhere else in the world.”

    That’s something Steve, Hillary and I can agree on.

    • Replies: @TheJester
    @WhatEvvs

    There is a Catch 22 here ....

    The United States is a sexist, racist, polluted cesspool ruled by a white European male hierarchy. We have that on the best evidence offered by (white) feminists, blacks, hispanics, asians, and all of the other "victim groups" that constitute at least 70% of our population. Think about that! 30% of the white male population holding the remaining 70% (at least 226 million people) in bondage of one kind or another ... sometimes blatant but at other times institutionalized, implicit, or just felt.

    Therefore, if new immigrant groups want to come here to likewise become "victims" of the white European male hierarchy, we can't let them because no person of sound mind and body would want to come here. Their desire to immigrate is concrete evidence of a serious psychological disorder that disqualifies them from immigrating. QED

  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “After 8 years of being lectured by Obama, the semi-cool junior college professor, we can look forward to four more years of being lectured in virtually the same words — “who we are” — by Hillary, the uncool middle school assistant principal.”

    What would Trump be in this analogy? Wrestling coach trying to go varsity this election?

  34. @JohnnyD
    I shouldn't joke about this, but I could see Hillary bringing back HUAC hearings. Prominent racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, sexists, homophobes, anti-Semites, isolationists, and exposed Russian secret agents would be forced to testify about their "Un-American" activities.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Maj. Kong, @fnn, @rod1963

    It’s not a joke. Hillary has already made comments to that effect. Don’t think she won’t after the shellacking she’s taken from Trump and his supporters. She’s gonna be looking for payback. At a minimum there will be a series of EO’s gutting the 2A and gun ownership, alt-right will be painted as a native terrorist movement and it’s members threatened into silence with the Patriot Act.

    As several other posters have pointed out, we could easily end up in a civil war.

  35. @Harry Baldwin
    And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately

    So that's what she's up to when she holes up in Chappaqua for four days at a time.

    Replies: @EriK, @Kylie, @BenKenobi

    Yep. She keeps one eye on Tocqueville and one eye on Bill.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    @Kylie


    She keeps one eye on Tocqueville and one eye on Bill.
     
    Ah - that's why her eyes move independently, like a chameleon's.
  36. Here’s Hillary getting paid $225,000 or whatever to give the inside scoop to the smart money boys at Goldman, and yet she’s just shoveling the same lowbrow schmaltz on immigration we hear everywhere else, and the Goldman guys are lapping it up.

    Surely it’s GS giving her $225,000, her reeling off tedious platitudes is just going through the motions, there has to appear to be a transaction. Other than the real one – buying her political power.

    Update: Which I see JerryC already pointed out.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Lurker


    Surely it’s GS giving her $225,000, her reeling off tedious platitudes is just going through the motions, there has to appear to be a transaction. Other than the real one – buying her political power.
     
    Thanks Lurker. Yeah, these guys aren't paying Hillary Clinton for any "inside scoop", or for a speech at all--even for globalist scum listening to Hillary speak has to rank right around "going to the dentist" in terms of desirability and the dentist visit actually does something for you.

    It's just a bribe.

    However ... my boy Trump, despite Hillary giving him wide open opportunities again and again has somehow failed to point out that
    -- Hillary is rich herself
    -- hasn't done an honest day's labor in her life to earn it
    -- but has collected "speaking fees" from Wall Street and foreign banks and governments--i.e. bribes for future favors; he could have quipped "trust me Hillary, these folks have about as much interest in listening to what you have to say as in an unnecessary trip to the dentist"
    -- the voters have the chance to pull the plug on this scam by sending Hillary packing

    Trump's my guy, but man how depressing to see him make an absolute hash of it.
  37. She’s not being paid to shovel schmaltz. That’s like saying Michael Jordan was paid to put a ball through a hoop. No, he was paid to sell tickets. I leave it to you to guess what they pay Hillary for.

  38. I was looking for the campaign strategizing done on HRC’s bank speeches as revealed by Tony Carrk. One of them had this great bit about Hillary talking about how the little people didn’t understand things the way she, you know, and Bill, you know, did now that they were, you know, RICH.

    I didn’t find it but I did find her team fine-tuning a speech on energy policy. So I read it to see if it contained anything about open borders.

    HRC in Iowa, July 27, 2015 in a speech on green energy.

    My brief, so you don’t have to shovel:

    Climate change, climate change, climate change.

    (Edit notes on the speech’s “facts” from Emily Aden, “Research can’t verify this.” “This hasn’t happened yet.” and my favorite, “We can’t verify this, but WJC has said it.”)

    Back to the content:

    Jobs, jobs, jobs.

    I am “Just a grandma with two eyes and a brain. And that’s enough to see what’s going on.”

    Iowa leading the way…but we have more to do.

    “So on day one as President, I will set two ambitious national goals for renewable energy.

    First, we need to have more that half a billion solar panels installed across the country by the end of my first term.

    Second, we’ll set a 10-year goal of generating enough renewable energy to power every single home in America.

    Not some homes. Not most homes. Enough renewable energy to power every home in America.”

    https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8013

    No open borders. No transmission lines. No farming the good citizens of Iowa for carbon taxes.

  39. @randomguy
    Yet Politifact gave Trump a rating of "mostly false" the other day for his statement that Clinton wants open borders.

    Trump is referring to a leaked speech excerpt in which Clinton purportedly says, "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere."

    We don’t have more context about what Clinton meant by "open borders" because she has not released the full speech. Her campaign has said she was talking about clean energy across the hemisphere.

    Trump argues that it directly applies to her current immigration policy. She has not called for open borders in this campaign. Clinton has proposed making it easier for the current undocumented population to gain a path to citizenship with conditions, but she has also supported beefed-up border security.
     
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/12/donald-trump/trump-ive-been-proven-right-about-clinton-wanting-/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest, @Mr. Anon, @FX Enderby

    Yes, how can you possibly tell what a person’s position on “open borders” is based on them saying they want “open borders?” We need more context.

  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    They just have a backward-looking view of America. And they play on people’s fears, not on people’s hopes, and they have to be rejected. I don’t care what they call themselves.

    … but I like calling them deplorable …

    I don’t care where they’re from. They have to be rejected because they are fundamentally un-American.

    … as I said, they’re deplorable and furthermore irredeemable and must be rejected.

  41. “I think I wrote a paper on the need to balance rugged individualism and community in 8th grade.”

    That’s pretty funny. Perhaps you were just unusually precocious.

  42. Anonymous [AKA "isthisracist"] says:

    “Hillary, the uncool middle school assistant principal.”

    There is a popular Disney Channel show with a person that fits that pretty well called Ant Farm.

    Principal Skidmore

    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    @Anonymous

    Principal Skidmore is much cooler than Hillary.

  43. @Anonymous
    Wall Street is the second biggest consumer of H1-B visas. Hiring British people. I doubt the immigration restriction extremists here would even have a problem with that.

    Replies: @Anon, @Mr. Anon, @artichoke

    “Wall Street is the second biggest consumer of H1-B visas. Hiring British people. I doubt the immigration restriction extremists here would even have a problem with that.”

    I do. I don’t want to import any more specimens of homo financiensis.

  44. “They can’t figure out how to invest in the future, so they cut everything. You know, laying off, you know, young researchers, closing labs instead of saying, we’re better at this than anybody in the world, that’s where our money should go.”

    Actually the kind of industrial labs that flourished in this country up until the 1970s (Bell Labs, GE, etc.) were mostly shut down at the behest of Wall Street.

    As Steve said, nothing but the same worn-out cliches from Hillary: America is an invention, an idea, etc. To a lot of us, it is an actual place, a real nation, and our home. To Hillary and her owners, it is nothing but an asset to be traded.

    “And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately because he was a pretty smart guy,…………”

    Does anybody believe that? That Hillary was “reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately”? Or even that she was reading him at all? More likely, she remembered something about Tocquville from a college class or – even more likely – from hearing about him from an old “Alistair Cooke’s America” episode she saw in the 1970s, and decided to name drop him in her speech.

    By the way, Hillary has come out with her own “Daisy” TV ad. It features a former USAF missile officer saying he doesn’t trust Trump with nuclear weapons. What scares me more is the thought of a missile officer who is that stupid. The idea that Trump would launch a nuclear attack because he got dissed is ridiculous. I don’t think even Hillary, vindictive shrew that she is, would do that. However I think that Hillary is more likely to blunder her way into a shooting war with a nuclear power. Her side (including the establishment Republicans) are already on their way to doing that.

  45. @randomguy
    Yet Politifact gave Trump a rating of "mostly false" the other day for his statement that Clinton wants open borders.

    Trump is referring to a leaked speech excerpt in which Clinton purportedly says, "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere."

    We don’t have more context about what Clinton meant by "open borders" because she has not released the full speech. Her campaign has said she was talking about clean energy across the hemisphere.

    Trump argues that it directly applies to her current immigration policy. She has not called for open borders in this campaign. Clinton has proposed making it easier for the current undocumented population to gain a path to citizenship with conditions, but she has also supported beefed-up border security.
     
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/12/donald-trump/trump-ive-been-proven-right-about-clinton-wanting-/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest, @Mr. Anon, @FX Enderby

    “Yet Politifact gave Trump a rating of “mostly false” the other day for his statement that Clinton wants open borders.”

    And? Why should I give a damn what politicfact says? What is politifact? A bunch of journalists deciding what is and is not true – the same journalists who have more-or-less openly admitted that they are taking sides in the current Presidential race. Do you imagine that they are completely disinterested dispensers of truth? Why don’t you mention Snopes too. Moreover they are wrong and completely disingenuous here:

    “We don’t have more context about what Clinton meant by “open borders” because she has not released the full speech. Her campaign has said she was talking about clean energy across the hemisphere.”

    Her campaign was lying. Politifact is lying. And so are you. “Open borders” has generally always meant: open to the free flow of people.

    Tell us more about what the meaning of “is” is.

  46. I mean, American was an invention. It was an intellectual invention, and we have done pretty well for all these years. And these people want to just undermine that very profound sense of who we are. And we can’t let them do that.

    Yeah, and it was an invention that required a very specific cultural background…….You know, stuff involving crimethink things like Anglo and Protestant and European…..

  47. @Lurker

    Here’s Hillary getting paid $225,000 or whatever to give the inside scoop to the smart money boys at Goldman, and yet she’s just shoveling the same lowbrow schmaltz on immigration we hear everywhere else, and the Goldman guys are lapping it up.
     
    Surely it's GS giving her $225,000, her reeling off tedious platitudes is just going through the motions, there has to appear to be a transaction. Other than the real one - buying her political power.

    Update: Which I see JerryC already pointed out.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Surely it’s GS giving her $225,000, her reeling off tedious platitudes is just going through the motions, there has to appear to be a transaction. Other than the real one – buying her political power.

    Thanks Lurker. Yeah, these guys aren’t paying Hillary Clinton for any “inside scoop”, or for a speech at all–even for globalist scum listening to Hillary speak has to rank right around “going to the dentist” in terms of desirability and the dentist visit actually does something for you.

    It’s just a bribe.

    However … my boy Trump, despite Hillary giving him wide open opportunities again and again has somehow failed to point out that
    — Hillary is rich herself
    — hasn’t done an honest day’s labor in her life to earn it
    — but has collected “speaking fees” from Wall Street and foreign banks and governments–i.e. bribes for future favors; he could have quipped “trust me Hillary, these folks have about as much interest in listening to what you have to say as in an unnecessary trip to the dentist”
    — the voters have the chance to pull the plug on this scam by sending Hillary packing

    Trump’s my guy, but man how depressing to see him make an absolute hash of it.

  48. They just have a backward-looking view of America. And they play on people’s fears, not on people’s hopes, and they have to be rejected. I don’t care what they call themselves. I don’t care where they’re from. They have to be rejected because they are fundamentally un-American.

    Guess that that means that the Founders were “fundamentally un-American,” seeing as how the first immigration law was a tad on the restrictive side:

    The original United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. 103) provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were free white persons of good character. It thus excluded American Indians, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks, and Asians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

    And then there’s mean old Benjamin Franklin:

    I could wish their numbers
    were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, scouring our
    planet, by clearing America of woods, and so making this side of
    our globe reflect a brighter light to the eyes of inhabitants in Mars
    or Venus, why should we in the sight of superior beings, darken its
    people? why increase the sons of Africa, by planting them in America,
    where we have so fair an opportunity, by excluding all blacks
    and tawneys, of increasing the lovely white and red? But perhaps
    I am partial to the complexion of my Country, for such kind of
    partiality is natural to Mankind.

    Not to mention that current darling of SJW, honorary non-White Alexander Hamilton:

    The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias, and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education, and family.

    “The opinion advanced in the Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or, if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism? There may, as to particular individuals, and at particular times, be occasional exceptions to these remarks, yet such is the general rule. The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all-important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.

    “The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others, it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils. It has been often likely to compromise the interests of our own country in favor of another. The permanent effect of such a policy will be, that in times of great public danger there will be always a numerous body of men, of whom there may be just grounds of distrust; the suspicion alone will weaken the strength of the nation, but their force may be actually employed in assisting an invader.

  49. @JerryC
    The content of her speeches is not at all important, it's just a way for Goldman Sachs to legally buy influence. Though of course the open borders pablum is something they agree on.

    Replies: @JW Bell, @Barnard

    I don’t see how a rambling mess of a speech like this can give the Goldman Sachs crowd any confidence in her. Don’t most of the bankers in the room have to be thinking any one of us could do this job better than Hillary?

  50. Hey, hasn’t it been a while since anyone has seen Hillary? I’m starting to get worried. I’m starting to get really worried.

    Putin might have kidnapped her.

    Is there anyone we can call?

    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    @Hunsdon

    Check Luke Ford's excellent blog: What’s Wrong With Hillary?

  51. When did Hillary Clinton become a rugged individualist?

  52. @Harry Baldwin
    And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately

    So that's what she's up to when she holes up in Chappaqua for four days at a time.

    Replies: @EriK, @Kylie, @BenKenobi

    Some odd synchronicity here the past few days surrounding de Tocqueville.

    Just yesterday on the “How Dumb Do We Have to Be…” post in comment #26 FKA Max said de Tocqueville predicted the Alt-Right.

    Now we have Hillary saying (in 2013 of course) that she had been reading a lot of de Tocqueville.

    Huh!

  53. Hillary said, “these people want to just undermine that very profound sense of who we are.” She is the one who wishes to profoundly alter who we are by flooding our country through unlimited immigration from alien cultures.

  54. Here’s Hillary getting paid $225,000 or whatever to give the inside scoop to the smart money boys at Goldman, and yet she’s just shoveling the same lowbrow schmaltz on immigration we hear everywhere else, and the Goldman guys are lapping it up.

    You’ve got it backwards, Steve. The Goldman guys weren’t “lapping up” the “lowbrow schmaltz.” They didn’t give a damn what she said in the speech.

    Rather, Hillary was lapping up the $225,000 in bribe money they paid her.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Dr. X

    Goldman Sachs has very little interest an anything Hillary says, just as defense contractors really do not care about the performance of the vast majority of the retired colonels and brigadier generals they hire. It's a sophisticated form of bribery. They are paying them for what others in the future will do if they want on the gravy train too.

    I had an uncle in SAC who explained this to me decades ago.

    Senior officers are, of course, intimately involved with all defense contracting. They recommend, specify, evaluate the product and the level of performance the contractor provides. This of course goes up the chain, but their input-or selective lack of it at times- is key.

    Officers who do their job effectively in this regard can and do cause the contractors a lot of grief. Modern military equipment, most especially frontline combat aircraft, is so insanely complicated that even the most disciplined and well meaning contractor has a huge laundry list of issues on any possible product.

    Whistleblowers, sticklers, and 'Helpful Henry's' who make things less profitable know when they retire, Big Defense is going to shut them out. If they play ball, odds are good that there will be a fat cushy job with retirement and perks waiting.

    The USAF is the poster boy for the spoiled service that wants only the most expensive weapons systems imaginable, for this reason but also to build their empire and have bigger budgets to spend each year. Effective simple weapons systems, like the A-10 (which they did get and have resented ever since) and the Piper/Cavalier Enforcer (which they fought off successfully) are anathema.

    A new UPT (undergraduate pilot training) pupil now first takes to the air solo in a five million dollar airplane. No matter how simple, rugged and foolproof an airplane, civilian insurance companies will not write insurance for a five million dollar airplane to anyone without more flying hours than most Air Force fighter pilots complete their obligation of service with. (And it is not as bad now as it used to be.)

  55. Tocqueville. LOL
    She must have mentioned the intermediary civic institutions essential to the fledgling Democratic Republic, whose vitality was enshrined by the Freedom of Association, in another part of the speech.

    • Replies: @artichoke
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    After having recently fought the Barbary pirates, the idea of importing Muslims would have been seen as a joke. Of course the whole thing depended on having the right people.

    Hillary has a reading comprehension problem, in addition to her other problems.

  56. How do even know these are genuine?

    If I was the Democrats I would take advantage of the hacked emails to ‘leak’ a speech that actually makes her sound pretty reasonable.

    • Replies: @artichoke
    @Emblematic

    Hacks already happened before the Dems knew it. Anyway, there are a lot of unremarkable emails in there. But a lot of very remarkable ones too.

    This debunks Hillary's idea that there's no evidence her home server was hacked. Does she think the hacker has to leave her a Pepe waving hi?

  57. @Hodag
    Is this the same Dove Mountain where they had the gas station Open and Kevin Na took the 16 after he got in the middle of the chaperelle and did not take a drop? Typical murderous Nicklaus design before he realized not everyone was Jack Nicklaus.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Yup. Dove Mountain looks like a very hard golf course. I think they make you take a forecaddy to find your ball in the desert and shoo away any scorpions or tarantulas sitting on it.

    • Replies: @Hodag
    @Steve Sailer

    A few weeks back I played the doomed Wolf Run outside Indianapolis. Butler is hard. Wolf Run is stupid. About seven yards off every fairway is waist high natural areas. I lost so many balls. It plays something like 7400 yards from the tips, 6500 or so where we played. The only way to play is bunt off the tee with a hybrid.

    Dove Mountain always seemed (on TV) like a place where a 17 index like me would try to dump it in a bunker away from the pins.

  58. “And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately because he was a pretty smart guy…”

    De Tocqueville was smart, but Gobineau was smarter.

  59. @Lord Jeff Sessions

    One thing that is striking is just how dumbed down discourse gets when the topic turns to immigration policy. Here’s Hillary getting paid $225,000 or whatever to give the inside scoop to the smart money boys at Goldman, and yet she’s just shoveling the same lowbrow schmaltz on immigration we hear everywhere else, and the Goldman guys are lapping it up.
     
    The Davos crowd has succumbed to a dangerous group think on immigration. The fiscal consequences of letting in large numbers of low IQ groups is dangerous over the long term. The reason we can borrow money for so cheap is because the US has a good track record, but that was the old US. We're gonna be a completely new country in the not too distant future if demographic trends continue. We're fundamentally not the same country if we're 45% white vs. if we're 88% white. God help us, I see the US having a Greek style debt crisis in the medium term. We need to get our debt under control, and stop admitting all these low IQ foreigners.

    The closest parallel to the immigration debate in terms of political correctness and overall stupidity is education. No child left behind is a preposterous piece of legislation, you know that and I know that, yet it passed both houses of congress and got signed by the president.

    Replies: @Laugh Track

    The closest parallel to the immigration debate in terms of political correctness and overall stupidity is education. No child left behind is a preposterous piece of legislation, you know that and I know that, yet it passed both houses of congress and got signed by the president.

    That president being George W. Bush, one might note. Clearly the rot straddles both parties , which is partly why both of them are on their last legs. I imagine the elite want Hillary elected, as that will buy them a little more time to figure out how to reconfigure the two-party Matrix for popular consumption. Trump is too loose of a cannon to help finesse that process.

    • Replies: @artichoke
    @Laugh Track

    Indeed, Trump will sabotage on purpose efforts to finesse that process, after what he's had to face from both major parties.

  60. Hillary Clinton = Dolores Umbridge.

  61. “But we need to get back to believing our own story.”

    Down With the Man?

  62. @Anonymous
    Wall Street is the second biggest consumer of H1-B visas. Hiring British people. I doubt the immigration restriction extremists here would even have a problem with that.

    Replies: @Anon, @Mr. Anon, @artichoke

    I didn’t see a lot of Brits on H1B’s on Wall Street. Lots of Chinese, Indians, Bulgarians, Russians, …

    In fact I can’t recall a single new PhD from England who came on an H1B. Well maybe not a real Englishman but an Indian who had Brit citizenship or some such? But I don’t even remember that.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @artichoke

    If you're going to make the claim we're letting in a bunch of Derbs, I have to disagree. It's highly unlikely there are more than a handful in all of the thousands we are letting in.

    Replies: @artichoke

  63. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Tocqueville. LOL
    She must have mentioned the intermediary civic institutions essential to the fledgling Democratic Republic, whose vitality was enshrined by the Freedom of Association, in another part of the speech.

    Replies: @artichoke

    After having recently fought the Barbary pirates, the idea of importing Muslims would have been seen as a joke. Of course the whole thing depended on having the right people.

    Hillary has a reading comprehension problem, in addition to her other problems.

  64. @Emblematic
    How do even know these are genuine?

    If I was the Democrats I would take advantage of the hacked emails to 'leak' a speech that actually makes her sound pretty reasonable.

    Replies: @artichoke

    Hacks already happened before the Dems knew it. Anyway, there are a lot of unremarkable emails in there. But a lot of very remarkable ones too.

    This debunks Hillary’s idea that there’s no evidence her home server was hacked. Does she think the hacker has to leave her a Pepe waving hi?

  65. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Wall Street is the second biggest consumer of H1-B visas. “

    In the mid-2000s I ran into entire cadres of Russians at these banks, probably heavily Jewish, in the high-analytics, computer, and research end of things. And not just at the bottom rung of things. Sharp guys with PhDs in math and the like from good places like Moscow University. It was interesting how fast these people left Russia and became well-established on Wall Street. They weren’t the only ones, but they stood out. The flip-side was that maybe they moved a little too fast and didn’t really know what they were doing.

  66. @Laugh Track
    @Lord Jeff Sessions


    The closest parallel to the immigration debate in terms of political correctness and overall stupidity is education. No child left behind is a preposterous piece of legislation, you know that and I know that, yet it passed both houses of congress and got signed by the president.
     
    That president being George W. Bush, one might note. Clearly the rot straddles both parties , which is partly why both of them are on their last legs. I imagine the elite want Hillary elected, as that will buy them a little more time to figure out how to reconfigure the two-party Matrix for popular consumption. Trump is too loose of a cannon to help finesse that process.

    Replies: @artichoke

    Indeed, Trump will sabotage on purpose efforts to finesse that process, after what he’s had to face from both major parties.

  67. @Dr. X

    Here’s Hillary getting paid $225,000 or whatever to give the inside scoop to the smart money boys at Goldman, and yet she’s just shoveling the same lowbrow schmaltz on immigration we hear everywhere else, and the Goldman guys are lapping it up.
     
    You've got it backwards, Steve. The Goldman guys weren't "lapping up" the "lowbrow schmaltz." They didn't give a damn what she said in the speech.

    Rather, Hillary was lapping up the $225,000 in bribe money they paid her.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    Goldman Sachs has very little interest an anything Hillary says, just as defense contractors really do not care about the performance of the vast majority of the retired colonels and brigadier generals they hire. It’s a sophisticated form of bribery. They are paying them for what others in the future will do if they want on the gravy train too.

    I had an uncle in SAC who explained this to me decades ago.

    Senior officers are, of course, intimately involved with all defense contracting. They recommend, specify, evaluate the product and the level of performance the contractor provides. This of course goes up the chain, but their input-or selective lack of it at times- is key.

    Officers who do their job effectively in this regard can and do cause the contractors a lot of grief. Modern military equipment, most especially frontline combat aircraft, is so insanely complicated that even the most disciplined and well meaning contractor has a huge laundry list of issues on any possible product.

    Whistleblowers, sticklers, and ‘Helpful Henry’s’ who make things less profitable know when they retire, Big Defense is going to shut them out. If they play ball, odds are good that there will be a fat cushy job with retirement and perks waiting.

    The USAF is the poster boy for the spoiled service that wants only the most expensive weapons systems imaginable, for this reason but also to build their empire and have bigger budgets to spend each year. Effective simple weapons systems, like the A-10 (which they did get and have resented ever since) and the Piper/Cavalier Enforcer (which they fought off successfully) are anathema.

    A new UPT (undergraduate pilot training) pupil now first takes to the air solo in a five million dollar airplane. No matter how simple, rugged and foolproof an airplane, civilian insurance companies will not write insurance for a five million dollar airplane to anyone without more flying hours than most Air Force fighter pilots complete their obligation of service with. (And it is not as bad now as it used to be.)

  68. she’s just shoveling the same lowbrow schmaltz on immigration we hear everywhere else, and the Goldman guys are lapping it up.

    IB guys are smart, but insecure and conformist. They spend four years obsessing over being the best in their class at Yalevard just to become 80+ hr/wk coffee and powerpoint monkeys. Wallstreetoasis.com is a great window into this phenomenon.

  69. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In addition to the H1-B, something that seems to be growing these days is OPT (Optional Practical Training):

    F-1 Optional Practical Training (OPT):

    “U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services

    F-1 Optional Practical Training (OPT)

    Could F-1 OPT work for you? Ask yourself the following questions to see if you might qualify:

    Have you been lawfully enrolled on a full-time basis in a DHS-approved college, university, conservatory, or seminary for one full academic year?

    Are you currently maintaining F-1 status?

    Is your proposed practical training directly related to your major area of study?

    If you answered yes to most of the questions above, click next to learn more about the eligibility requirements for an F-1 OPT application and tips to keep in mind when submitting your evidence.

    I guess “most of the questions” would mean 2.

    (p.s. If you have been under a rock and aren’t into the jargon for these things, “practical training” means a job. Funny thing, jobs have a way of leading to permanent status, marriage, anchor babies, that sort of thing.)

  70. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “University IT employees fighting for jobs question security”, Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, Oct 14, 2016:

    “…Data security is a simmering issue in offshore outsourcing…

    …The University of California IT employees, who will soon lose their jobs to overseas workers, are trying point this out…

    …The IT employees say workers in India will have access to UCSF medical and financial information as well as to files with research and study data. The data will reside on hardware based in the U.S…

    …The public university hired HCL, a major India-based IT services firm, to manage infrastructure operations. As part of this shift, about 50 IT workers and another 30 contractors are facing layoffs…

    …”Exactly how will this contract save UCSF money?” wrote an IT employee in a letter to U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). “How will this contract benefit the state of California if we move 97 individuals from the group of ‘California taxpayers’ to the group of ‘California unemployment recipients?‘ ” …

    …most states, including California, don’t appear to have restrictions on public sector offshore outsourcing…

    …the IT employee wrote in part: “The HCL workers who will be stationed in India have FULL access to not only UCSF medical and financial information, at the system and database level, but file shares that contain research and study data. Good luck to UC if the research for a cure for a major disease is stolen. If we are doing this in the interest of security, why are we allowing access to our systems from one of the least secure countries? Furthermore there has been little communication to the UCSF population that access to systems that contain their personal information is going to be accessed by workers in India.

    …”Staff, students and patients probably have no recourse, but certainly the researchers who UC holds in great esteem should at least be given the courtesy to be notified and the opportunity to move their data to an onshore location where intellectual property laws exist and are upheld.”…

    Electronic health records sell at a premium in the criminal world when compared to a consumer’s social security number or credit card, said… director of cybersecurity…”

  71. And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately because he was a pretty smart guy, and he traveled around and looked at this country and came up with some profound observations about us.

    Indeed. And some of those observations involved the racial and cultural character of the people who founded Anglo-America:

    The emigrants who came at different periods to occupy the territory now covered by the American Union differed from each other in many respects; their aim was not the same, and they governed themselves on different principles.

    These men had, however, certain features in common, and they were all placed in an analogous situation. The tie of language is, perhaps, the strongest and the most durable that can unite mankind. All the emigrants spoke the same language; they were all children of the same people. Born in a country which had been agitated for centuries by the struggles of faction, and in which all parties had been obliged in their turn to place themselves under the protection of the laws, their political education had been perfected in this rude school; and they were more conversant with the notions of right and the principles of true freedom than the greater part of their European contemporaries. At the period of the first emigrations the township system, that fruitful germ of free institutions, was deeply rooted in the habits of the English; and with it the doctrine of the sovereignty of the people had been introduced into the very bosom of the monarchy of the house of Tudor.

    http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/detoc/1_ch02.htm

  72. Nobody at Goldman’s was really interested in what she said. The $225,000 was simply a bribe.

  73. @artichoke
    @Anonymous

    I didn't see a lot of Brits on H1B's on Wall Street. Lots of Chinese, Indians, Bulgarians, Russians, ...

    In fact I can't recall a single new PhD from England who came on an H1B. Well maybe not a real Englishman but an Indian who had Brit citizenship or some such? But I don't even remember that.

    Replies: @Anon

    If you’re going to make the claim we’re letting in a bunch of Derbs, I have to disagree. It’s highly unlikely there are more than a handful in all of the thousands we are letting in.

    • Replies: @artichoke
    @Anon

    What's a Derb ?

    Replies: @guest

  74. Read through the transcripts, and they were pure boilerplate. If America is one big high school, then Trump is the unreconstructed jock, and Hillary is the over-ambitious student whose looks and intelligence are on the mediocre side, but whose work ethic and raw desire for recognition are top notch.

    Hillary’s comments on immigration highlight an ugly habit of hers, namely her tendency to present only one side of each story, either due to intellectual sloth or to malicious duplicity. She is right in saying that America’s universities attract valuable groups of people, such as bright ambitious people and the children of foreign leaders. And she is correct in pointing out that American is an immigrant nation and a beacon of hope and so on.

    But of course, the problem many Americans have is not with the foreign graduates of American universities or the winners of the Green Card lottery. The problem is with illegal immigrants and H1-B mediocrities hired expressly for the purpose of undermining wages; and with dubious “refugees” imported out of moral grand-standing. That’s the problem and it is a legitimate problem.

    Here is another example of Hillary’s narrow views on issues. At one point she mentions that Iran is the leading promoter of terrorism in the world. That’s fine and dandy; but what about the Saudis, who happen to be major contributors to the Clinton Foundation?

    If Obama is the “the semi-cool junior college professor”, the Hillary may be something like the opinionated high-school social studies teacher – an abject mediocrity utterly convinced of its own moral and intellectual superiority and mandate to save the world.

    (By the way, Bill Clinton, for all his faults, was a Rhodes Scholar and a person universally lauded for being remarkably charismatic.)

    • Replies: @artichoke
    @jimbojones

    Rather than bringing over so many foreigner to receive full tuition fellowships for PhD programs at our finest universities, we should admit more Americans. We have a lot of Americans who could do good work and since white people tend to peak late, they may outperform a foreigner who looks a bit better on paper in their 20's.

    As it stands, those foreign students are liars anyway. To get their student visas, every single one of them had to swear that they had no immigration *intention*. Yet most of them try to immigrate when they graduate from their programs. Did they all have no idea from generations before what the USA is like? Are they all amazed when they get here? No of course not, these are the most rational young people in the world. They *lied*, under oath.

    Then they come here, and they get the most legitimate H1B visas, and everyone says they're great immigrants. They do bring high IQ's here, but we have enough of our own that we are cutting off when they cannot get admitted. And foreign professors prefer to bring over more from their own countries -- you see they are allowed to be racist, we're not. Yet, it's our undergraduate tuition payments and government research grants that are supporting these universities. Force them to serve Americans.

    , @guest
    @jimbojones

    You just described the movie "Election." The jock loses by one vote because he doesn't vote for himself, as I recall.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  75. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Triggered by another post here on population growth related to immigration:

    A plot of Syrian population growth from 1960 to the present (data from the UN):

    Syrian Demography

    From Demographics of Syria.

    “Syria grapples with surging population”,
    Alistair Lyon, Reuters, Jun 3, 2010:

    “…Syria now has a population of 20 million people, with a growth rate that remains one of the world’s highest at about 2.4 percent. But it has declined since averaging 3.2 percent from 1947-94…

    …Syrian women have an average of 3.6 children each, but this masks big disparities between cities and the countryside…

    …fertility rates in Damascus and three other governorates are set to fall from 2 to 2.5 children per woman now to 1.4 to 2 by 2025, below the replacement rate of 2.1 children per woman.

    …In the seven least-developed of Syria’s 14 governorates, women have between 3.8 and 6.2 children. Their fertility rates are not expected to decline much in the next 15 years…

    …Syria… has modernized more slowly than nearby Lebanon, where fertility is already below the replacement rate and where the Lebanese have long yearned for lifestyles beyond their means…

    Until modernization prompts people who lack knowledge or access to contraceptives to desire fewer children, family planning advice is likely to fall on deaf ears. “Before that, nobody wants it. After that, nobody needs it” …”

  76. @Steve Sailer
    @Hodag

    Yup. Dove Mountain looks like a very hard golf course. I think they make you take a forecaddy to find your ball in the desert and shoo away any scorpions or tarantulas sitting on it.

    Replies: @Hodag

    A few weeks back I played the doomed Wolf Run outside Indianapolis. Butler is hard. Wolf Run is stupid. About seven yards off every fairway is waist high natural areas. I lost so many balls. It plays something like 7400 yards from the tips, 6500 or so where we played. The only way to play is bunt off the tee with a hybrid.

    Dove Mountain always seemed (on TV) like a place where a 17 index like me would try to dump it in a bunker away from the pins.

  77. @celt darnell

    And I’ll just say that I’ve been reading a lot of de Tocqueville lately because he was a pretty smart guy, and he traveled around and looked at this country and came up with some profound observations about us.
     
    You know, when I read stuff like this, I seriously question Hillary's intelligence.

    Tocqueville was a "smart guy" who "traveled around" and "looked at this country and came up with some profound observations about us"?

    This is high school stuff, if that. Nor is this on the campaign trail (where you may want to dumb stuff down) this is before an (allegedly) educated audience.

    Also, this is a terrible speech. It's not just that it's sophistry -- one expects that -- but that it's badly spoken, inarticulate, sophistry.

    She was trained as a lawyer, no? Where are the verbal skills?

    Replies: @Hodag

    What do you expect, Umberto Eco? She has to say something. Banalities are the order of the day.

    Honestly, I bang on and on about the ridiculousness of TED Talks, but for SWPL folks they are the apex of intelligent discourse.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    @Hodag

    Umberto Eco? No.

    But I'd expect at least a college-level observation.

    Agreed, re: TED Talks.

  78. @Anon
    @artichoke

    If you're going to make the claim we're letting in a bunch of Derbs, I have to disagree. It's highly unlikely there are more than a handful in all of the thousands we are letting in.

    Replies: @artichoke

    What’s a Derb ?

    • Replies: @guest
    @artichoke

    A Derb is a human male of British extraction, famous for writing books about math (or "maths") and books with grumpy cartoons on the cover. Derbs are thought-criminals who lose jobs for emulating black people. They are a scourge, though not *the* scourge, of Housebroken Conservatives.

    They have Asiany interests and blaspheme about genes.

    Replies: @Anon

  79. @jimbojones
    Read through the transcripts, and they were pure boilerplate. If America is one big high school, then Trump is the unreconstructed jock, and Hillary is the over-ambitious student whose looks and intelligence are on the mediocre side, but whose work ethic and raw desire for recognition are top notch.

    Hillary's comments on immigration highlight an ugly habit of hers, namely her tendency to present only one side of each story, either due to intellectual sloth or to malicious duplicity. She is right in saying that America's universities attract valuable groups of people, such as bright ambitious people and the children of foreign leaders. And she is correct in pointing out that American is an immigrant nation and a beacon of hope and so on.

    But of course, the problem many Americans have is not with the foreign graduates of American universities or the winners of the Green Card lottery. The problem is with illegal immigrants and H1-B mediocrities hired expressly for the purpose of undermining wages; and with dubious "refugees" imported out of moral grand-standing. That's the problem and it is a legitimate problem.

    Here is another example of Hillary's narrow views on issues. At one point she mentions that Iran is the leading promoter of terrorism in the world. That's fine and dandy; but what about the Saudis, who happen to be major contributors to the Clinton Foundation?

    If Obama is the "the semi-cool junior college professor", the Hillary may be something like the opinionated high-school social studies teacher - an abject mediocrity utterly convinced of its own moral and intellectual superiority and mandate to save the world.

    (By the way, Bill Clinton, for all his faults, was a Rhodes Scholar and a person universally lauded for being remarkably charismatic.)

    Replies: @artichoke, @guest

    Rather than bringing over so many foreigner to receive full tuition fellowships for PhD programs at our finest universities, we should admit more Americans. We have a lot of Americans who could do good work and since white people tend to peak late, they may outperform a foreigner who looks a bit better on paper in their 20’s.

    As it stands, those foreign students are liars anyway. To get their student visas, every single one of them had to swear that they had no immigration *intention*. Yet most of them try to immigrate when they graduate from their programs. Did they all have no idea from generations before what the USA is like? Are they all amazed when they get here? No of course not, these are the most rational young people in the world. They *lied*, under oath.

    Then they come here, and they get the most legitimate H1B visas, and everyone says they’re great immigrants. They do bring high IQ’s here, but we have enough of our own that we are cutting off when they cannot get admitted. And foreign professors prefer to bring over more from their own countries — you see they are allowed to be racist, we’re not. Yet, it’s our undergraduate tuition payments and government research grants that are supporting these universities. Force them to serve Americans.

  80. @Kylie
    @Harry Baldwin

    Yep. She keeps one eye on Tocqueville and one eye on Bill.

    Replies: @Eagle Eye

    She keeps one eye on Tocqueville and one eye on Bill.

    Ah – that’s why her eyes move independently, like a chameleon’s.

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
  81. @Maj. Kong
    @JohnnyD

    More like the Star Chamber. Any open hearings run the risk of dissent seeping through into the mainstream.

    What they want is something like the Human Rights Commissions of Canada, and their weak imitations known as college campus tribunals here.

    Replies: @unpc downunder

    Hey, didn’t you know Canada is no longer an enlightened liberal utopia but is now a hotbed of violent white nationalism. According to the BBC at least three dozen homes in BC have received leaflets from the dreaded KKK!

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37628514

  82. @jimbojones
    Read through the transcripts, and they were pure boilerplate. If America is one big high school, then Trump is the unreconstructed jock, and Hillary is the over-ambitious student whose looks and intelligence are on the mediocre side, but whose work ethic and raw desire for recognition are top notch.

    Hillary's comments on immigration highlight an ugly habit of hers, namely her tendency to present only one side of each story, either due to intellectual sloth or to malicious duplicity. She is right in saying that America's universities attract valuable groups of people, such as bright ambitious people and the children of foreign leaders. And she is correct in pointing out that American is an immigrant nation and a beacon of hope and so on.

    But of course, the problem many Americans have is not with the foreign graduates of American universities or the winners of the Green Card lottery. The problem is with illegal immigrants and H1-B mediocrities hired expressly for the purpose of undermining wages; and with dubious "refugees" imported out of moral grand-standing. That's the problem and it is a legitimate problem.

    Here is another example of Hillary's narrow views on issues. At one point she mentions that Iran is the leading promoter of terrorism in the world. That's fine and dandy; but what about the Saudis, who happen to be major contributors to the Clinton Foundation?

    If Obama is the "the semi-cool junior college professor", the Hillary may be something like the opinionated high-school social studies teacher - an abject mediocrity utterly convinced of its own moral and intellectual superiority and mandate to save the world.

    (By the way, Bill Clinton, for all his faults, was a Rhodes Scholar and a person universally lauded for being remarkably charismatic.)

    Replies: @artichoke, @guest

    You just described the movie “Election.” The jock loses by one vote because he doesn’t vote for himself, as I recall.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @guest

    Election is a very funny movie.

  83. @artichoke
    @Anon

    What's a Derb ?

    Replies: @guest

    A Derb is a human male of British extraction, famous for writing books about math (or “maths”) and books with grumpy cartoons on the cover. Derbs are thought-criminals who lose jobs for emulating black people. They are a scourge, though not *the* scourge, of Housebroken Conservatives.

    They have Asiany interests and blaspheme about genes.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @guest

    By the way, I just pulled this doc:

    https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/Reports%20and%20Studies/H-1B/h-1B-characteristics-report-14.pdf

    3000/300,000 H1Bs in 2014 were from the UK. No details on the ethnicity of said UKers. My guess is that most are not eternal pessimists from Northampton.

  84. @gregor
    @Altai

    I was watching clips of some British political shows and I was surprised to see they use the same "we are a nation of immigrants" line over in Britain.

    Replies: @Altai, @Monopthalmus

    It’s absurd how well the line works, too.

    Here in Canada we are constantly told that we should take more immigrants because we are ‘a nation of immigrants’ right before we get our daily brow-beating about the history of our immigrant ancestors marginalizing, exploiting and slaughtering the natives.

    No one ever links the two together, except deplorable wackjobs like me.

  85. @guest
    @artichoke

    A Derb is a human male of British extraction, famous for writing books about math (or "maths") and books with grumpy cartoons on the cover. Derbs are thought-criminals who lose jobs for emulating black people. They are a scourge, though not *the* scourge, of Housebroken Conservatives.

    They have Asiany interests and blaspheme about genes.

    Replies: @Anon

    By the way, I just pulled this doc:

    https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/Reports%20and%20Studies/H-1B/h-1B-characteristics-report-14.pdf

    3000/300,000 H1Bs in 2014 were from the UK. No details on the ethnicity of said UKers. My guess is that most are not eternal pessimists from Northampton.

  86. @guest
    @jimbojones

    You just described the movie "Election." The jock loses by one vote because he doesn't vote for himself, as I recall.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Election is a very funny movie.

  87. @Hodag
    @celt darnell

    What do you expect, Umberto Eco? She has to say something. Banalities are the order of the day.

    Honestly, I bang on and on about the ridiculousness of TED Talks, but for SWPL folks they are the apex of intelligent discourse.

    Replies: @celt darnell

    Umberto Eco? No.

    But I’d expect at least a college-level observation.

    Agreed, re: TED Talks.

  88. Hilary Clinton: “Don’t have a backwards looking view of your country, one where you look at the past for who you are. Get what your country’s about by reading de Tocqueville’s account from the early 19th century.”

    Eh? What’s that all about?

  89. @randomguy
    Yet Politifact gave Trump a rating of "mostly false" the other day for his statement that Clinton wants open borders.

    Trump is referring to a leaked speech excerpt in which Clinton purportedly says, "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere."

    We don’t have more context about what Clinton meant by "open borders" because she has not released the full speech. Her campaign has said she was talking about clean energy across the hemisphere.

    Trump argues that it directly applies to her current immigration policy. She has not called for open borders in this campaign. Clinton has proposed making it easier for the current undocumented population to gain a path to citizenship with conditions, but she has also supported beefed-up border security.
     
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/12/donald-trump/trump-ive-been-proven-right-about-clinton-wanting-/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest, @Mr. Anon, @FX Enderby

    We don’t have context! Clinton/Kaine has consistently signaled that we must welcome mass immigration because hope and that deportation (fear) should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

  90. @Anonymous
    "Hillary, the uncool middle school assistant principal."

    There is a popular Disney Channel show with a person that fits that pretty well called Ant Farm.

    Principal Skidmore

    Replies: @FX Enderby

    Principal Skidmore is much cooler than Hillary.

  91. @Hunsdon
    Hey, hasn't it been a while since anyone has seen Hillary? I'm starting to get worried. I'm starting to get really worried.

    Putin might have kidnapped her.

    Is there anyone we can call?

    Replies: @FX Enderby

    Check Luke Ford’s excellent blog: What’s Wrong With Hillary?

  92. @WhatEvvs
    "So it still is the case that more people want to come here than anywhere else in the world."

    That's something Steve, Hillary and I can agree on.

    Replies: @TheJester

    There is a Catch 22 here ….

    The United States is a sexist, racist, polluted cesspool ruled by a white European male hierarchy. We have that on the best evidence offered by (white) feminists, blacks, hispanics, asians, and all of the other “victim groups” that constitute at least 70% of our population. Think about that! 30% of the white male population holding the remaining 70% (at least 226 million people) in bondage of one kind or another … sometimes blatant but at other times institutionalized, implicit, or just felt.

    Therefore, if new immigrant groups want to come here to likewise become “victims” of the white European male hierarchy, we can’t let them because no person of sound mind and body would want to come here. Their desire to immigrate is concrete evidence of a serious psychological disorder that disqualifies them from immigrating. QED

  93. @eah
    She is really nothing more than a cliché spouting robot -- nice programming job -- bitch.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Olorin

    I was going to say something very similar, though I thought our gentlemanly host might not like the b-word.

    😀

    Seriously, as Clyde notes, it’s just word salad meant to fill time and win powerful men’s approval and weak women’s votes.

    Hillary more and more reminds me of this girl, who was so soundly ridiculed for her babble:

    I’d bet that somewhere in her psyche, Hillary thinks she’s pretty and earnest and young like that teen beauty queen, and has no idea how grotesque she is.

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