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I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot. From the Washington Post:

How the Jewish identity of ‘Wonder Woman’s’ star is causing a stir
By Sarah Pulliam Bailey June 7 at 6:13 PM

“Wonder Woman” has drawn all kinds of controversy over gender politics since its release last Friday, but it has also put the spotlight on Jewish debates over race and nationality. …

The debate “Are Jews white?” has seen a resurgence since the presidential election last year and was resurrected surrounding the release of “Wonder Woman.” …

The Obama Administration sponsored a Census Bureau initiative to carve away part of its white category by creating a separate nonwhite racial category entitled Middle Eastern and North African, which would seemingly include Israelis like Gadot. What the Trump Administration will do with this proposal is unknown.

My view is that the Federal Government usually wins arguments over racial categorization. If the Feds decide that South Asians and East Asians are the same race, eventually most people will

Gadot defies some of the stereotypes of women, especially as many Jewish women were portrayed on film as unattractive or the funny sidekick, said Emily Shire, politics editor at Bustle.

Sailer’s First Law of Female Journalism …

“It’s a landmark film for women for so many reasons, and this takes it to another level,” Shire said. “There is a history of Jews making movies and Jews loving movies, but who was on screen?” …

I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?

Leading ladies are probably more often part Jewish, like Scarlett Johannson and Goldie Hawn, than full Jewish. Much the same seems to be true for leading men, like Paul Newman and Harrison Ford.

Here’s a strange assertion from the WaPo:

When European Jews began to immigrate to the United States, they were legally considered white while they were barred from activity in U.S. public life.

This would have come as a surprise to Senators David Levy Yulee and Judah P. Benjamin and Representative Lewis Charles Levin, all of whom served in Congress before the Civil War.

You don’t hear much about these guys because their politics are out of fashion. Levin was perhaps the most talented demagogue associated with the nativist Know Nothing party, and enjoyed a tumultuous life of riots and brawls before dying insane at an early age. Levy Yulee and Benjamin supported secession and slavery. Levy Yulee, the “Florida Fire Eater,” was locked up by the victorious Union for 9 months, while Benjamin escaped punishment by slipping away to Britain, where he became an important figure in the law.

 
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  1. Lynda Carter Is Beautiful:

    • Agree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Charles Pewitt

    She was spectacularly beautiful.

    But one of the conceits of her '70s Wonder Woman was that she was supposed to be plain-looking as an Army secretary.

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @TWS, @bored identity

    , @Rifleman
    @Charles Pewitt

    Now the important question is - Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Carter

    Carter was born in Phoenix, Arizona, the daughter of Juanita (née Córdova) and Colby Carter.

    Her father is of English and Scots-Irish ancestry, and her mother, whose family hailed from Mexico, is of Mexican, Spanish and French descent

    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bach

    Bach was born in Warren, Ohio, the daughter of Norma Jean Kucera (née Verdugo), an acupuncturist, and Bernard Bachman, a rancher.

    Her mother was of Mexican descent and her father was of German ancestry.

    Or Raquel Welch?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch

    Welch was born as Jo-Raquel Tejada on September 5, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois.

    Her father, Armando Carlos Tejada Urquizo (1911–1976), was an aeronautical engineer from La Paz, Bolivia, born to Agustin Tejada and Raquel Urquizo; Welch was named after her paternal grandmother.

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @englishmike, @Gunnar von Cowtown

    , @Neoconned
    @Charles Pewitt

    The Germans were the bad guys even though it was about WW1....

    If i were German id boycott it

    The acting was contrived and like i figuref it was going to be terrible.

    DCs problem is that unlike Marvel most of its characters age terribly.

    W the exception of Batman, Supe and maybe Green Lantern & a few of their minor characters like Lobo they dont have good characters

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Charles Pewitt

    Indeed

    , @William Badwhite
    @Charles Pewitt

    25 or so years ago I was driving in suburban DC (VA) with a friend and we saw a really attractive woman standing next to a broken-down Mercedes convertible. We pulled over to help and it was Lynda Carter. She was very nice, very polite, and had a good sense of humor (or at least rolled with our endless Wonder Woman jibes).

    As I was driving her to a friend's house she said "I bet you're wondering why I didn't just fly my invisible airplane".

    She was classically beautiful. She'll be beautiful in her 80's.

    , @Robert Dunn
    @Charles Pewitt

    This picture works like Viagra!

  2. “I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot.” — Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    • Troll: TWS
    • Replies: @guest
    @Charles Pewitt

    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @AnotherGuessModel, @Truth, @TWS, @Hippopotamusdrome

    , @fish
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    I understand all those words....just not arranged like that!
    , @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Says you. She doesn't look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she's in her early 30s - more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider "attractive" is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates "attractiveness" in the form of "health" and "symmetric features" to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Marty, @San Fernando Curt, @SteveRogers42

    , @Lot
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Cool doodz on the Internet disdain any woman not qualified for a non-air-brushed SI Swimsuit cover.
    , @Patrick Harris
    @Charles Pewitt

    Oh c'mon. Gadot doesn't fit my reactionary aesthetic ideal of womanly perfection either, but in the real world she would turn the head of any man with a pulse.

    , @syonredux
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    No, she's pretty; she's just not as beautiful as Lynda Carter was in her prime.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Art Deco
    @Charles Pewitt

    http://geekleagueofamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Gal-Gadot-HD-Wallpaper.jpg


    Whatever.

    , @biz
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that's after kids.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @Joe Walker, @Autochthon

    , @Anonym
    @Charles Pewitt

    Facially she is pretty (there are prettier IMO - I would not put her in a top x list that anyone would have the patience to read) but her body is fairly straight up and down. It doesn't do much for me.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Hmmm. She’s rather fine looking for an Amazon warrior. Don’t let the fact that she’s Israeli distort your perception of aesthetics. :)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Walker, @BB753

    , @oddsbodkins
    @Charles Pewitt

    > Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Congratulations, you have passed the homosexuality test.

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Charles Pewitt

    Do a Google image search of "Gal Godot," as I just did. Wanted to see for myself. Conclusion: Smoking hot.

    Replies: @englishmike, @Malcolm X-Lax

    , @MSP
    @Charles Pewitt

    "Gal Gadot is not pretty" - You're on crack. She's beautiful.

    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Charles Pewitt

    Not everyone can be the perfect Aryan beauty.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/02/nazi-aryan-baby-jewish_n_5551517.html

    , @Danindc
    @Charles Pewitt

    https://youtu.be/8XMNUcWl79Y

    Who her? No, she's ugly.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Charles Pewitt

    Gal Gadot:

    Pretty -- Yes
    Cute -- Yes
    Womanly figure -- No
    Boyish figure -- A bit. But no boys are built like that.
    Feminine -- Definitely
    MILF -- Absolutely
    Makes Another Dad's eugenic propagation list -- Yes
    Gives a flying rat's ass what any of us think -- No
    Status -- Laughing all the way to the bank.

    Replies: @Jack D, @guest

  3. “Florida Fire Easter” sounds a bit too bunny-centric.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Levy_Yulee says:
    Yulee’s inflammatory pro-slavery rhetoric in the Senate earned him the nickname “Florida Fire Eater”.

  4. I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don’t see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @neutral


    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don’t see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ?
     
    I gotta tell this to some of my Irish colleagues. Listen, guys, all you have to do is say that the Irish aren't White...then watch the affirmative action gibs roll in.....

    Replies: @Joe Walker

    , @Lot
    @neutral

    I am pretty white looking, but happy to troll libtards by calling myself a "people of color."


    Wonder Woman: There is a person of color in the lead role
     
    Excellent!

    Now let us take a look at the history and heritage of Ashkenazi Jews. An indigenous people of the Middle East, Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of their homeland by European (and later Arab) colonists and taken as slaves to Europe where they were consistently regarded as savages,
     
    Boy the Times of Israel has some very low standards for its bloggers. There is absolutely no evidence that the proto-Ashkenazi migration to Italy and Gaul was as slaves. Perhaps the Romans did grab some slaves from the ranks of Jewish revolters, but more likely they just left because 100BC-300AD Israel was relatively poor and crowded compared to Europe and North Africa.

    And even those Jews who did convert were still viewed with suspicion, and treated as second class.
     
    Some were obviously faking their conversion, so the "suspicion" was for good reason. Nonetheless, the converted Jews heavily intermarried with the Spanish gentry and lower nobility, so they were hardly "second class" citizens.

    A few choice quotes from some of the more notable European philosophers (as well as some who are less notable) should prove instructive
     

    The only "notable" person on the list is Kant, who was not an ethnographer and never traveled more than a few miles from his birthplace. As Steve notes, both the laws of the USA and Europe, and the actual behavior of Europeans, showed Ashkenazi and Euro-Sephardic Jews were already considered white Europeans. Can we imagine the UK electing a black or Asian PM in 1868 and 1874? Or someone married to a black or asian in 1894?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @Moshe

    , @Stealth
    @neutral

    LOL.

    Officially jumping ship would be a stupendously dumb idea.

    1. With so many powerful whites becoming folk of color overnight, Americans still wearing the scarlet W would immediately seem - and feel - a hell of a lot less privileged, and the social justice con would become less potent really fast.

    2. Jews would be alienating their greatest allies: white evangelicals and other pro-Israel Republicans.

    3. Now being on the outside, Jewish progressives would probably lose a lot of influence over their gentile counterparts.

    I'm sure this list could be embellished, but suffice it to say that such a move would be Bad For The Jews in many ways.

    , @International Jew
    @neutral


    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white
     
    For the record, I'm white. And when the "are we white" topic has come up, I've helpfully (nah, maliciously) suggested we ask a black person his opinion.

    Replies: @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever..., @Opinionator

    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @neutral

    There are some ridiculous Jews and then there are people like you who convince them that they're sane. Congratulations.

    , @Anon7
    @neutral

    Her ancestry is Polish-Jewish, Austrian-Jewish, German-Jewish, and Czech-Jewish.

    , @Chris Mallory
    @neutral

    I took my daughter to see it this morning. One thing I noticed, when before "Diana" took the mantle and when she was in her "secret identity", her skin seemed to have much more of an olive tone. When she was in WW mode, her skin appeared, to me anyway, to be lighter.

    , @Jay Fink
    @neutral

    I am only one individual and perhaps I don't speak for all Jews but I was very much raised to think of myself as white. The whole idea of not being white would seem crazy to any of my relatives.

    Replies: @Glaivester

    , @Right wing Jew
    @neutral

    So because one half mick leftwinger says Ashkenazis arent white in a blog post, thats the be all end all? Ashkenazim are white in every way just like the Lebanese and Syrian Christians that blend right in and you wouldnt know without an autistic level facial analysis (Ralph Nader, Ray LaHood, John Sununu, etc). And any Jew who denies this should spend time in a black neighborhood or in a POC conference and see how long they last.

    , @Marcus
    @neutral

    Arabic is a language you fool

    , @Robert Dunn
    @neutral

    What about Jews from Ireland, England, Sweden, Germany, France etc??? Are they also 'not white'?

  5. Is it possible they’re not aware one of the biggest female stars in Hollywood, Natalie Portman, is not only Jewish but was born in Jerusalem? She gets to star in plenty of action movies, too, though she’s not usually drop kicking 300-lb. men herself.

    They don’t try very hard writing these articles. They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    • Agree: Abe, Forbes
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @guest

    Or Carrie Fisher.

    There is a subset of Jews who are really into playing the victim.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @guest

    https://emilyshire.com/. A solid 5, maybe 6 if I were drinking, but the crazy bs coming out of her mouth would probably put me off.

    My daddy always said, "Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are". I would still be a virgin had I followed Dad's advice.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Moshe

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @guest

    If you think the "where are the Jews onscreen?" take is dumb, consider that this Wonder Woman movie already spawned a debate about whether Wonder Woman should shave her underarms.

    https://twitter.com/WomenintheWorld/status/845266457525039104

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    , @AnotherDad
    @guest


    They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.
     
    Guessing that the "merchant quibbling" gene structure also expresses as the "whiny" phenotype.

    Yes Jews have got one big thing to be sore about--the Holocaust. But they'll find everything and anything--e.g. the golfocaust--to whine about.

    Jews are obviously over-represented in front of the camera as well as behind. Just not at the crazy levels of writers or studio execs. Which of course makes sense because Hollywood's Jews are making movies and TV for America's gentiles so they don't go with--obvious (explicitly Jewish phenotype)--Jews 24x7x365. That's called "business". But if say a 98% gentile nation has say 90% gentile actors ... you'll have some Jews--especially Jewish women--readily available to whine about it. It's in the DNA.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @guest

    Hollywood has always been totally about physical type, not who anybody really is. Natalie Wood and Yul Brynner looked exotic, so they played many ethnic types, including Jewish, which neither was. Lauren Bacall was a blonde siren, so that's what she played. Shelley Winters (born Shirley Schrift to Austrian Jewish parents) started out as a blonde 7th-Avenue model, so she played bombshells, and had to lobby for her part in "A Place in the Sun" because they thought she didn't look mousy enough to play Alice Tripp. Eventually, she aged into frumpy matron roles. Winona Ryder (born Horowitz) is a natural blonde, but got most of her work with brunette hair.

    Now that it's frowned-on for non-minorities to play minorities, not sure how all of this is going to play out. Sad, because it used to be called, "Acting."

    Replies: @Robert Dunn

  6. Has Gal Gadot had plastic surgery?

  7. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    She looks like a model, which is to say she’s masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn’t say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that’s just the face.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @guest

    "bump in nose"??

    Replies: @guest

    , @AnotherGuessModel
    @guest

    Bumps on noses are hardly foisted on us as a beauty ideal, since 99% of female entertainers and models (even ones that would surprise you) whittle down their nose bridges. Her features are definitely strong, but also refined, which is another classic feminine ideal alongside dainty prettiness.

    http://www.hypable.com/gal-gadot-signs-three-picture-deal-to-play-wonder-woman/

    Replies: @guest

    , @Truth
    @guest



    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that’s just the face.
     
    OK, you got %90 of the puzzle, now bring it home, Baby!
    , @TWS
    @guest

    Sharp knees too. Hideous. No man could hit that.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @guest



    Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, ...

     

    ... sharp knees. 2/10 would not bang.
  8. Anonymous [AKA "Zohra Lampert"] says:

    What oppressive patriarchy decided that movie stars should be blonde shiksas?

    It speaks to the iSteve theory about the origin of feminism as a rechanneling of the target of Jewish women’s envy and resentment from Jewish men to men in general.

  9. I am in favour of Jews no longer being white. Once that is clarified, the statistics of power and wealth distribution in the english speaking world suddenly become much clearer.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Zoodles

    True, and many leading Universities would become majority non-White School overnight.

    current breakdown at Harvard.
    28% Jews, North Africans, Arabs, Middle Eastern and Persian.
    22% Asian
    21% White
    13% Black
    12% Hispanic
    3% Native American (probably mostly whites like Sen. Warren)

    probably many Jews will not self identify as being MENA. most Half Asians will identify as White when they apply to Harvard. I know a Korean adoptee who attended Penn, she identified as White to increase her chances of being accepted, and it worked

    Replies: @Art Deco

  10. @guest
    Is it possible they're not aware one of the biggest female stars in Hollywood, Natalie Portman, is not only Jewish but was born in Jerusalem? She gets to star in plenty of action movies, too, though she's not usually drop kicking 300-lb. men herself.

    They don't try very hard writing these articles. They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jim Don Bob, @Dave Pinsen, @AnotherDad, @Rosamond Vincy

    Or Carrie Fisher.

    There is a subset of Jews who are really into playing the victim.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Opinionator

    Portman was awful in the prequels. (Everyone was awful, though, so you can't blame only her.)

    It was depressing to see how bad Fisher looked in the ripoff (the first new one). I haven't seen the newest new film - J.J. has made two so far, right?

    Fisher had an amusing cameo in Scream 3 as someone who looked an awful lot like ... Carrie Fisher.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kdKjQgUVDaI

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @MEH 0910

  11. @guest
    @Charles Pewitt

    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @AnotherGuessModel, @Truth, @TWS, @Hippopotamusdrome

    “bump in nose”??

    • Replies: @guest
    @Opinionator

    That's how I put it, though maybe that's not correct. I'm not an expert on nose shape. But as I said in another post, high fashion models are supposed to have both noses that stand out and deep indentations where the nose meets the brow.* This at least makes it appear as though they have bumps in the ridge of their noses.

    Look at Gadot's face in profile. You'll see what I mean. If there's a better term for it than a bump, I'll gladly adopt it.

    *Presumably because that's how men's faces work, and the fashion industry is run by homos. I can't think of any other explanation.

  12. J.Ross says: • Website

    Two items.

    To Steve’s point, back when Al Franken first ran against Norm Coleman for the Senate seat representing Minnesota, which had been made famous by the late lamented Paul Wellstone, a Jewish blog (which no longer exists) plaintively wondered whether those dumb flyover rednecks in Saskatcheconsin or whatever it’s called could bring themselves to Elect whom God had Chosen. Some impolite wag asked how the blogger could type such a thing given that all of the people involved, elected, defeated, or assassinated, were obviously Jewish. A few hours last that blog post was removed without explanation. But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.
    “Oh sure, I see how it is — all of you want me to move to DC!”

    Second point, the creepy one: Is the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot a refutation to my creepy Law that “phenotypically Jewish girls are gorgeous, but nobody hates them worse than Hollywood or Israeli public relations?” Gadot has something of a history in Israeli public relations, and her perfectly balanced pleasant-mousiness is definitely a plus in attracting, or not offending, female audiences: would these same “body positive” audiences embrace a modern day young Lynda Carter? Maybe this is a refutation of the Law, but it does not mean that we have the true total freedom of casting, which we will possibly see in our lifetimes once Hollywood finally dies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.

    That is a symptom of a guilty conscience.

    , @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Gadot is 100% Ashkenazi and not the least bit "Arabish". If she were French or Spanish or Italian (and she could pass for any of them) no one would accuse her of being "Arabish".

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Opinionator

    , @Karl
    @J.Ross

    11 J Ross > the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot


    From the Hebrew-wikipedia page about her: Her sabra parents had an original name of Greenshtein. Pops was an engineer and ima was a public-school teacher. Gal herself was allowed to defer her conscription-mobilization to age 20 because she had a job (a few paying gigs) as a model (such a deferment is not ridiculously difficult to get with some plausible story, especially if your pops knows somebody).

    She was NOT an officer; she only did the (female) required basic 2 years, serving as a physical-training assistant. Gal probably spun tales of being Army Superwoman to these very gullible Hollywood Jews. But the ==actual== job of a "madasnikit" is to babysit low-medical-profile guys through the remedial physical-fitness course to be able to be shoved into a lower-tier infantry unit, ones that accept non-elite guys.

    A madasnikit is not any kind of elite duty, my friends.

  13. Expanding on my first item: I have an over-long and just-fatuous-enough book titled “Hollywood’s Image of the Jew.” It essentially argues that Hollywood is really controlled by WASP bigotry as opposed to say the folks who own the studios and make all the decisions.

  14. @guest
    Is it possible they're not aware one of the biggest female stars in Hollywood, Natalie Portman, is not only Jewish but was born in Jerusalem? She gets to star in plenty of action movies, too, though she's not usually drop kicking 300-lb. men herself.

    They don't try very hard writing these articles. They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jim Don Bob, @Dave Pinsen, @AnotherDad, @Rosamond Vincy

    https://emilyshire.com/. A solid 5, maybe 6 if I were drinking, but the crazy bs coming out of her mouth would probably put me off.

    My daddy always said, “Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are”. I would still be a virgin had I followed Dad’s advice.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jim Don Bob

    Google Images has a panoply of shots where Ms. Shire ranges from "It's late and I'm drunk" to "Not enough scotch has been distilled".

    Replies: @Man Hansome

    , @Moshe
    @Jim Don Bob

    Did your dad want you to exclusively fuck straight men?

  15. If Jews were a separate demographic category for affirmative action purposes, I suspect a lot of Jews would quickly stop supporting affirmative action – at least in such a form.

    Many people on the left used to hate the old Hercules TV show with Kevin Sorbo because they considered it “whitewashed.” It always amused me greatly, like they were trying to peal off Greeks into some anti-Western coalition. Of course, they were silent about the Rock playing him.

    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @syonredux
    @songbird


    Of course, they were silent about the Rock playing him.
     
    Hey, everybody knows that Polynesians were thick on the ground in Ancient Greece...

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel

  16. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    I understand all those words….just not arranged like that!

  17. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Says you. She doesn’t look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she’s in her early 30s – more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider “attractive” is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates “attractiveness” in the form of “health” and “symmetric features” to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    "what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy"

    Health is necessary but insufficient. Good-looking men are healthy, too, but they aren't pretty. (Unless they're pretty boys, but that just means they're prettier than normal for a male.)

    "As almost everything human males consider 'attractive' is some kind of sign of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates 'attractiveness' in the form of 'health' and 'symmetric features'"

    You pick unisex qualities, which could be present in both males and females. But humans, as you may have forgotten, are sexually dimorphic. Normal, heterosexual males aren't attracted to Abstract Fertility. They're attracted to secondary sexual characteristics developed by women during puberty. They like their women to be feminine.

    Masculine-looking women and prepubescent females are not attractive to the them no matter how clear is their skin, nor how trim they are. We weren't talking about attraction, anyway, but about prettiness. It's even less true that unfeminine women can be pretty. Because prettiness implies femininity.

    , @fish
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    She reminds me a bit of Michelle Jenneke but prettier. Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!

    Replies: @Truth, @Desiderius

    , @Marty
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

    Replies: @oddsbodkins, @syonredux, @Njguy73, @SteveRogers42

    , @San Fernando Curt
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    She's a beautiful woman.

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    And not just men.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuAe1pZQnaQ

  18. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @Stealth, @International Jew, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Anon7, @Chris Mallory, @Jay Fink, @Right wing Jew, @Marcus, @Robert Dunn

    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don’t see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ?

    I gotta tell this to some of my Irish colleagues. Listen, guys, all you have to do is say that the Irish aren’t White…then watch the affirmative action gibs roll in…..

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @syonredux

    Most Irish people like whites and like being white. Unlike the Jews, the Irish are not continuously scheming to bring about the downfall of white nations.

    Replies: @syonredux

  19. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Cool doodz on the Internet disdain any woman not qualified for a non-air-brushed SI Swimsuit cover.

  20. Patrick Harris says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    Oh c’mon. Gadot doesn’t fit my reactionary aesthetic ideal of womanly perfection either, but in the real world she would turn the head of any man with a pulse.

  21. From the Forward

    The whiteness of “Wonder Woman” doesn’t seem up for debate. And yet, some have decided to debate it. An argument has been bubbling underground on social media that Gal Gadot, who plays the title role, is actually a person of color. It was aired in full by Matthew Mueller at comicbook.com. “Gal Gadot is not actually Caucasian, but is in fact Israeli,” Mueller announces confidently. He then goes on to chastise POC critics for not recognizing her casting as triumph for diverse representation.

    Mueller doesn’t actually have much of an argument. He mentions a Times of Israel blog post which points to the history of Jewish oppression and waffles back and forth on whether Jews might be considered POC. But mostly Mueller just announces “Gadot is Israeli!” like a magician pulling a piece of lint out of a hat and trying to convince you it’s a rabbit.

    In this context, the best definition of white people is simply “people who are considered white.” Gadot’s nationality was not a secret; she wasn’t passing as something other than Israeli. Mueller is arguing that when people see Gadot as white, they are wrong. But being white is really just a matter of what people see you as. People know Gadot’s background; they simply see that background as consistent with whiteness —David Edelstein’s bizarrely exoticizing comment that Israeli women are “a breed unto themselves” notwithstanding. For that matter, in Israel itself, Gadot’s skin color and European background protect her from the kind of discrimination faced by Ethiopian Jews, other dark-skinned Jews, and Palestinians.

    Among those who see Gadot as white are the “Wonder Woman” filmmakers. Gadot is Jewish and Israeli, but — like the Jewish Scarlett Johansson — Hollywood perceives her in terms of unpsecified whiteness. In the film, Wonder Woman’s mother is played by Connie Nielsen, a white Danish actor. Wonder Woman as a young girl is played (in a show-stealing turn) by white actress Lilly Aspell. Gadot got the role as Wonder Woman precisely because she is seen as an appropriate actor to play a character who has traditionally been white.

    http://forward.com/culture/film-tv/373658/gal-gadots-wonder-woman-is-white-lets-not-pretend-otherwise/

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @syonredux

    The same folks that tell us race is a social construct, now inform us of this new (well, 21st century) category: person of color.

    I'm so pasty white, my skin tone is pink--does that make me a person of color? I look forward to affirmative action and the rest of the bag of gibmedats...

  22. Had they actually been barred from public life, it would be just another real or imaginary sanction of tribal suffering they could share with other non-whites. It’s a lot more attractive a presentation than what’s believed by most non-whites, more-conscious whites, and even Jews willing to be honest about it: That Jews claim to be white when it’s advantageous for them to do so – and non-white for the same reason. Giving them their Middle Eastern ethnic option could at least send them packing from the tent. “A people apart” works for me. … And good riddance.

  23. The Obama Administration sponsored a Census Bureau initiative to carve away part of its white category by creating a separate nonwhite racial category entitled Middle Eastern and North African, which would seemingly include Israelis like Gadot.

    Which, when you bear in mind where Gadot’s family comes from, is kinda funny:

    Gal was born to a Jewish family in Israel. Her family were Jewish immigrants from Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Germany.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/gal-gadot

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @syonredux

    Must be the Magic Dirt in Israel that transmuted her ethnic heritage into MENA, and a person of color.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @International Jew
    @syonredux

    I hate to further complicate matters, but Gadot's children could qualify as Hispanic, on account of their father's name, Varsano, which is Spanish-Jewish.

    , @MBlanc46
    @syonredux

    And as an old Jewish colleague of mine used to say, "Jews look like where they come from."

  24. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    No, she’s pretty; she’s just not as beautiful as Lynda Carter was in her prime.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    Who is? Circa 1975 Lynda Carter is about as a hot as it gets.

    But Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman was much more feminine than feminist. She looked like she never touched a dumbbell. And how many times did some bad guy get the drop on her with chloroform?

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @SteveRogers42

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @syonredux

    And of course, Lynda Carter in her prime would hands down, completely outshines Katherine Hepburn in the looks department. Hands down, dear fellow, hands down. Hepburn couldn't have played such a demanding role as Wonder Woman, while Eva Gardner could have played the role without any noticeable problems.

    Lynda Carter was bona fide beautiful. She had it all. Looks, class, (was originally a high fashion model), simply amazing.

    Carter's contemporary, Jacklyn Smith, also could've played Wonder Woman. She was thinking man's Angel from Charlie's Angel. Although hailing from Texas, Miss. Smith was never said to have been part Mexican (or Hispanic for that matter).

  25. The stupidities you point out are another piece of evidence demonstrating John Leo’s assessment that reporters write stories by pulling out a template and filling in the blanks. The templates have all manner of contentious (and often foolish) assumptions about the society in which the reporter lives.

    It would have taken zero effort to troll around a bit to demonstrate both statements are nonsense. Here’s a point of departure:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_actors

    One of the reporters you make reference to used to write for Get Religion. You’d think an evangelical reporter might be somewhat resistant to this sort of thing. (And maybe she was and a Democratic Party hack of an editor butchered her work).

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    You appear to assume that the motivation is to spread truth.

  26. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    Whatever.

  27. I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked

    The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC. The Great and the Good want to say nice things about a female led-and-directed superhero film. I saw it yesterday ( Didn’t pay; I theatre-hopped after watching Alien: Covenant ), and it’s just OK. It’s certainly nowhere near as enjoyable as The Dark Knight, Iron Man, or Captain America:The Winter Soldier.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux

    One thing that really stood out to me regarding Wonder Woman is just how derivative it is. It's Captain America: The First Avenger mixed with the fish-out-of-water stuff from Thor. I suppose that they thought that setting the action in WWI (as opposed to WWII) would keep people from noticing....

    Replies: @justwonderingaboutbaseball, @Oleaginous Outrager

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @syonredux

    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that's not a good endorsement.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @SteveRogers42

    , @European-American
    @syonredux

    > The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC.

    That's what I thought, à la Ghostbusters, which was mostly embarrassingly dumb, though it had a lot of talent: onto the outrageous fantasy of the original, you tack on the improbability of misfit women scientists and engineers acting like tough first responders, assisted by a wimpy and stupid but cute Thor -- well, I gave it points for chutzpah anyway!

    So I expected Wonder Woman to be bad, for PC reasons and due to superhero fatigue: Doctor Strange ok, but Deadpool and that other "bad superheroes" film terrible in my book. So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable. Gal Gadot is luminous and works well with Chris Pine. Dialogue is sometimes very funny, action scenes are pretty cool (despite implausibility of those amazons as tough warriors at the start). And the message is not as dumb and tedious and childish as other superhero films: war is terrible, humans suck, grand principles fail, but humans are also capable of love and heroism and worth saving. And yes you can be a hot woman and still stand up for yourself and be admired not just for your hotness. Gal Gadot's military and Israeli background may have helped make the movie more realistic: who you gonna believe about war: Gal Gadot or Scarlett Johansson?

    Replies: @syonredux, @Bob Smith of Suburbia

  28. @songbird
    If Jews were a separate demographic category for affirmative action purposes, I suspect a lot of Jews would quickly stop supporting affirmative action - at least in such a form.

    Many people on the left used to hate the old Hercules TV show with Kevin Sorbo because they considered it "whitewashed." It always amused me greatly, like they were trying to peal off Greeks into some anti-Western coalition. Of course, they were silent about the Rock playing him.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Of course, they were silent about the Rock playing him.

    Hey, everybody knows that Polynesians were thick on the ground in Ancient Greece…

    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    @syonredux

    Hercules' great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock's ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version. Of course, the left would sieze on the casting of any distinctly European looks to make accusations of whitewashing, even unawares (and many are) of this tidbit about Hercules' family tree.

    Replies: @syonredux

  29. Lot says:
    @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

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    I am pretty white looking, but happy to troll libtards by calling myself a “people of color.”

    Wonder Woman: There is a person of color in the lead role

    Excellent!

    Now let us take a look at the history and heritage of Ashkenazi Jews. An indigenous people of the Middle East, Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of their homeland by European (and later Arab) colonists and taken as slaves to Europe where they were consistently regarded as savages,

    Boy the Times of Israel has some very low standards for its bloggers. There is absolutely no evidence that the proto-Ashkenazi migration to Italy and Gaul was as slaves. Perhaps the Romans did grab some slaves from the ranks of Jewish revolters, but more likely they just left because 100BC-300AD Israel was relatively poor and crowded compared to Europe and North Africa.

    And even those Jews who did convert were still viewed with suspicion, and treated as second class.

    Some were obviously faking their conversion, so the “suspicion” was for good reason. Nonetheless, the converted Jews heavily intermarried with the Spanish gentry and lower nobility, so they were hardly “second class” citizens.

    A few choice quotes from some of the more notable European philosophers (as well as some who are less notable) should prove instructive

    The only “notable” person on the list is Kant, who was not an ethnographer and never traveled more than a few miles from his birthplace. As Steve notes, both the laws of the USA and Europe, and the actual behavior of Europeans, showed Ashkenazi and Euro-Sephardic Jews were already considered white Europeans. Can we imagine the UK electing a black or Asian PM in 1868 and 1874? Or someone married to a black or asian in 1894?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @PiltdownMan

    , @syonredux
    @Lot

    And note the special treatment that the native Jews received in French Algeria:


    The French government granted the Jews, who by then numbered some 33,000,[9] French citizenship in 1870 under the décret Crémieux, while maintaining an inferior status for Muslims who, though technically French nationals, were required to apply for French citizenship and undergo a naturalization process.[10] For this reason, they are sometimes incorrectly categorized as pieds-noirs. The decision to extend citizenship to Algerian Jews was a result of pressures from prominent members of the liberal, intellectual French Jewish community, which considered the North African Jews to be "backward" and wanted to bring them into modernity.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Algeria#French_Algeria
    , @Moshe
    @Lot

    I don't care at all for any discussion from either side about who is "white" or not so I won't comment to that but I believe that though the Romans DID take Jewish slaves from Israel (Jvdea) and elsewhere in the aftermath of the 3 revolts (including pulmos kitos - war of quietus) the Roman world was already full of Jews in good standing. Also, 66 wasn't the first revolt either and there are some great Latin passages about (for another time).

    Also the converso intermarriage with royalty wasn't as commonplace and ubiquitous as is commonly believed. There was, as well, a big difference between conversos in 1391 and convwrsos in 1492 and 1496.

  30. @J.Ross
    Two items.

    To Steve's point, back when Al Franken first ran against Norm Coleman for the Senate seat representing Minnesota, which had been made famous by the late lamented Paul Wellstone, a Jewish blog (which no longer exists) plaintively wondered whether those dumb flyover rednecks in Saskatcheconsin or whatever it's called could bring themselves to Elect whom God had Chosen. Some impolite wag asked how the blogger could type such a thing given that all of the people involved, elected, defeated, or assassinated, were obviously Jewish. A few hours last that blog post was removed without explanation. But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.
    "Oh sure, I see how it is -- all of you want me to move to DC!"

    Second point, the creepy one: Is the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot a refutation to my creepy Law that "phenotypically Jewish girls are gorgeous, but nobody hates them worse than Hollywood or Israeli public relations?" Gadot has something of a history in Israeli public relations, and her perfectly balanced pleasant-mousiness is definitely a plus in attracting, or not offending, female audiences: would these same "body positive" audiences embrace a modern day young Lynda Carter? Maybe this is a refutation of the Law, but it does not mean that we have the true total freedom of casting, which we will possibly see in our lifetimes once Hollywood finally dies.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Karl

    But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.

    That is a symptom of a guilty conscience.

  31. @Art Deco
    The stupidities you point out are another piece of evidence demonstrating John Leo's assessment that reporters write stories by pulling out a template and filling in the blanks. The templates have all manner of contentious (and often foolish) assumptions about the society in which the reporter lives.


    It would have taken zero effort to troll around a bit to demonstrate both statements are nonsense. Here's a point of departure:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_actors


    One of the reporters you make reference to used to write for Get Religion. You'd think an evangelical reporter might be somewhat resistant to this sort of thing. (And maybe she was and a Democratic Party hack of an editor butchered her work).

    Replies: @Opinionator

    You appear to assume that the motivation is to spread truth.

  32. Some of the critical pieces on the film are a tad….revealing….

    I did not expect to cry during “Wonder Woman.”

    Specifically, I did not expect to tear up during the fight scenes. OK, maybe if Gal Gadot’s Diana, Amazon princess, had given some terrific speech, or if a character I liked had died, but I certainly did not expect to get all misty eyed during the battle scenes.

    But that’s exactly what happened; when Wonder Woman started fighting, out came the waterworks.

    It started on the beach, when Gen. Antiope (Robin Wright) rode into battle with a smile and Queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) leaped off her horse, spinning into the air to wipe out two armed men with her sword. As the battle raged on, it became clear that the scene was not window-dressing, 10 seconds of Amazon showtime before the real movie started. This was the movie — female warriors kicking ass.

    They were fierce and powerful, highly trained soldiers who knew what they were doing, and the film took that, and them, seriously. It was overwhelming.

    I felt like I was discovering something I didn’t even know I had always wanted. A need that I had boxed up and buried deep after three movies of Iron Man punching bad guys in the face, three more movies of Captain America punching bad guys in the face, a movie about Superman and Batman punching each other in the face and then “Suicide Squad.”

    Witnessing a woman hold the field, and the camera, for that long blew open an arguably monotonous genre. We didn’t need a computer-generated tree or a sassy raccoon to change the superhero game; what we needed was a woman.

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @syonredux

    And she looks like someone who would write crap like this!

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @syonredux

    Oh dear, that's sad. Meredith Woerner yearns to beat up men and only a movie can give her that vicarious thrill. Women may wash out of Ranger school every time, a women's Olympic soccer team may be beaten by high school boys, and women MMA fighters may be beaten up by men (who believe they are women), but at least with the magic of special effects and often stuntMEN, women can kick ass in the movies.

    , @AnotherDad
    @syonredux



    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html
     
    Thanks Syonredux.

    This link is actually more interesting than the Jewish "we're not 'white' we're the oppressed" and Jewish women whining about "standards of beauty". Both well trod ground.

    The interesting thing to me was this woman saying she was "in tears" during some of the Wonder Woman fight scenes. It was cathartic for her--apparently she'd been waiting all her life to see woman warriors, competently slaying on the battlefield. And that her reaction was common--the director had heard it many times before and was unsurprised.

    This struck me as a bit weird because the "butt kicking babes" are seriously a trope. They seem to show up everywhere now days. And not just in zones of complete suspension of disbelief, but in places that are at least superficially are supposed to be normal TV/movie "reality". For me many times it's just so ridiculous it jerks me out of routine TV/movie suspension of disbelief
    and wrecks the show. (Wonder Woman is better because she is at least a super-hero with super-powers, not some actual normal human 120 lb. woman dispatching 200 lb. tough guys.)

    I think American (and European) life has become so feminized, and so devoid of not just violence, but actual hard heavy physical labor that a lot of women are just completely ignorant of brute physical reality. A lot of women seem truly ignorant of how utterly weak and fragile they are compared to even average men. I'm pretty much dead on average American guy--height, size (a bit more upper body per my size, a bit less leg)--and now even as a geezer I almost never see any woman I couldn't quickly subdue. (Ok, now I see some really fat ones that probably geezer me couldn't move after knocking them out.) Young guys who are actually tough and strong? There are no women who would even be in a "fight" with them, they'd just be on the floor unconscious. But apparently a lot of women don't realize the extreme extent of sexual dimorphism on strength. I guess their boyfriends/husbands have never handled them physically--even just to toss 'em over their shoulder and carry 'em off to bed?

    And what's weird to me is this intense desire to see this female warrior--a complete fantasy of a competent ass-kicking female warrior. I get the interest in what the other sex can do. When AnotherMom was pregnant--belly bulging out incredibly--I had
    a) a sense of pride in my manhood, that i'd knocked her up and my baby was growing inside her
    but even more profoundly
    b) a sense of wonder at life, at her feminine power, to receive my joy juice, combine with it, and bake it into a beautiful baby inside her.
    But what I didn't feel was jealously. That I was cheated as a guy because I couldn't grow a baby myself. Or later, that she had a more intense bond with the kids through pregnancy and nursing. I was grateful--to God, to life, to her--to be a dad, did my dad thing, appreciated it, loved it.

    These women of the West today are nuts. They downplay, dismiss and many forego the one thing they can do not just "much better" than men, but that men can't do at all. And pine for these bizarre fantasies where they are supreme at doing things that men are so thoroughly superior at that women aren't even in the same universe. It's insanity. And it's part of what's killing the West.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @PiltdownMan

  33. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

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    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that’s after kids.

    • Replies: @guest
    @biz

    Anti-semitism may be able to turn people gay, but high fashion definitely tricks people into accepting gay aesthetics. Gadot is not as bad as some, but she's a definite model-type. Don't be tricked.

    , @guest
    @biz

    Have *you* seen her body? Straight up and down, no T or A to speak of. Not as bad as it could be, because she has some curvature of the hips and her shoulders don't make her look like a linebacker.

    I don't feel good criticizing like this, but so long as people are holding her up as hot, something must be said. Beauty standards are sacred.

    By the way, I'd be happy if she were more masculine, given that she's playing an Amazon. She's too slight for the role. But I guess computers fix that.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Anon7, @Rod1963

    , @Joe Walker
    @biz

    Why do you find it difficult to believe that many heterosexual men are not attracted to Gal Gadot?

    , @Autochthon
    @biz

    As guest remarks, this Gadot creature is built like a twelve-year-old Chinese boy wearing a padded bra. Wonder Woman was meant to personify feminine perfection, including feminine beauty, not to be a mannish bundle of bones and sinew. The casting from the time before the world list its damned mind to feminism and related mental illnesses is instructive, as are of course the original drawings in the comic books.

  34. Kobach running for Kansas governor! YES!!!!

    http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article155063589.html

    Brownback has been so bad, he’s is going to have an easy comparison. Next stop, 1600 Penn Ave, January 2021.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Lot

    That would be nice.

  35. Seems to be a fair amount of commentary on the left where they are disappointed Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender…SJWs are just such miserably people they can’t just sit back and enjoy a popcorn movie, they have to screech about how it doesn’t put outliers in leading roles just to show they are as good/strong/smart as everyone else.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Arclight


    Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender…
     
    ...%95...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNJgXcqSAg

    Replies: @guest

    , @Escher
    @Arclight

    Maybe one of the leading ladies from the new "Ghostbusters" can take the role.

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @Autochthon
    @Arclight

    I've noticed this particular tactic to move the goalposts by double-dipping: a passable (not especially unattractive, maybe even pleasant, but hardly gorgeous) woman such ad Gadot is targeted as being too perfect, glamourous, beautiful, and so on, and thus instead of the passable woman being realistic and average (as she is, whereas a truly stunning woman like Lynda Carter would have beauty and grace admittedly unattainable and not to be expected in the overwhelming majority of women...), now, in the perverted view espoused, a passable woman with an unremarkable figure becomes the Holy Grail of unattainable perfection, such that tubby or truly homely women are now meant to be what the average man should see as on his level.

    I see what they've done there. Clever bastards.

    Anecdotally, my wife is of course the most beautiful woman in the world to me (she is my wife!), but she is no Lynda Carter (I'm certainly no Ryan Gosling!). That said, because she is fit: she stands just under five feet tall and, not being obese, weighs just under ninety pounds. Yet all the wildebeests we casually encounter react as if she were an anorexic gymnast simply because she does not have a gut. This isn't a humblebragging "my wife is hot, bro" point – she is no Marilyn Monroe. Rather, I'm emphasizing that I know from personal experience, day in and day out, that the average (i.e., obese, nowadays) person now thinks a woman with a healthy, normal weight is some kind of freakishly petite creature to behold. It's astounding how quickly this deranged view has taken hold, if you only think about it and investigate the actual average heigjts and weights of people in, say, the 1950s (and probably even much later...).

    Replies: @Jay Fink, @Kylie

  36. @Lot
    @neutral

    I am pretty white looking, but happy to troll libtards by calling myself a "people of color."


    Wonder Woman: There is a person of color in the lead role
     
    Excellent!

    Now let us take a look at the history and heritage of Ashkenazi Jews. An indigenous people of the Middle East, Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of their homeland by European (and later Arab) colonists and taken as slaves to Europe where they were consistently regarded as savages,
     
    Boy the Times of Israel has some very low standards for its bloggers. There is absolutely no evidence that the proto-Ashkenazi migration to Italy and Gaul was as slaves. Perhaps the Romans did grab some slaves from the ranks of Jewish revolters, but more likely they just left because 100BC-300AD Israel was relatively poor and crowded compared to Europe and North Africa.

    And even those Jews who did convert were still viewed with suspicion, and treated as second class.
     
    Some were obviously faking their conversion, so the "suspicion" was for good reason. Nonetheless, the converted Jews heavily intermarried with the Spanish gentry and lower nobility, so they were hardly "second class" citizens.

    A few choice quotes from some of the more notable European philosophers (as well as some who are less notable) should prove instructive
     

    The only "notable" person on the list is Kant, who was not an ethnographer and never traveled more than a few miles from his birthplace. As Steve notes, both the laws of the USA and Europe, and the actual behavior of Europeans, showed Ashkenazi and Euro-Sephardic Jews were already considered white Europeans. Can we imagine the UK electing a black or Asian PM in 1868 and 1874? Or someone married to a black or asian in 1894?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @Moshe

    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.
     
    Not quite the same thing as having one serve as PM.....
    , @Lot
    @Steve Sailer

    The first half-Jewish MP was this guy, elected in 1770

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampson_Eardley,_1st_Baron_Eardley

    Economist David Ricardo's son with his Quaker wife was another early half-Jew to serve in Parliament.


    In 1802 this guy became the first full-blooded Jew to serve in Parliament

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasseh_Masseh_Lopes

    He had purchased land that included a rotten borough and thus two MPs, so he essentially elected himself, and later his nephew.


    The first practicing Jew was elected in 1847, from the first-among-equals City of London district:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_de_Rothschild

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Steve Sailer

    It's a little hard to tell from an old black and white picture, but perhaps, like Freddie Mercury decades later, Dadabhoy Nauroji, the Victorian era Parsi MP, passed for some type of swarthy Mediterranean white? Or perhaps it didn't matter much back then, because the poc presence in Britain was near zero, and he was just a novelty?

    http://www.andhrabulletin.com/Baby_beta/Kids_Douknow/Kids_Ch/Ch_images/India%20F%20F/Dadabhai%20naoroji.jpg

  37. @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @PiltdownMan

    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.

    Not quite the same thing as having one serve as PM…..

  38. When she asks “who was on screen”, she really means “who was on screen who was Jewish AND looked like me”. Feminists are perpetually butt-hurt about the failure of men to go gaga over them regardless of how they look. Instead, guys are supposed to get the hots for them because of their highly evolved consciousness.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Alfa158

    Emily Shire's actually a bit better looking than I would have guessed. She's no Lauren Bacall or Hedy Lamarr, though.


    https://twitter.com/bustle/status/740340157665021952

    Replies: @Autochthon

  39. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    Facially she is pretty (there are prettier IMO – I would not put her in a top x list that anyone would have the patience to read) but her body is fairly straight up and down. It doesn’t do much for me.

    • Agree: Coemgen
  40. @Lot
    @neutral

    I am pretty white looking, but happy to troll libtards by calling myself a "people of color."


    Wonder Woman: There is a person of color in the lead role
     
    Excellent!

    Now let us take a look at the history and heritage of Ashkenazi Jews. An indigenous people of the Middle East, Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of their homeland by European (and later Arab) colonists and taken as slaves to Europe where they were consistently regarded as savages,
     
    Boy the Times of Israel has some very low standards for its bloggers. There is absolutely no evidence that the proto-Ashkenazi migration to Italy and Gaul was as slaves. Perhaps the Romans did grab some slaves from the ranks of Jewish revolters, but more likely they just left because 100BC-300AD Israel was relatively poor and crowded compared to Europe and North Africa.

    And even those Jews who did convert were still viewed with suspicion, and treated as second class.
     
    Some were obviously faking their conversion, so the "suspicion" was for good reason. Nonetheless, the converted Jews heavily intermarried with the Spanish gentry and lower nobility, so they were hardly "second class" citizens.

    A few choice quotes from some of the more notable European philosophers (as well as some who are less notable) should prove instructive
     

    The only "notable" person on the list is Kant, who was not an ethnographer and never traveled more than a few miles from his birthplace. As Steve notes, both the laws of the USA and Europe, and the actual behavior of Europeans, showed Ashkenazi and Euro-Sephardic Jews were already considered white Europeans. Can we imagine the UK electing a black or Asian PM in 1868 and 1874? Or someone married to a black or asian in 1894?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @Moshe

    And note the special treatment that the native Jews received in French Algeria:

    The French government granted the Jews, who by then numbered some 33,000,[9] French citizenship in 1870 under the décret Crémieux, while maintaining an inferior status for Muslims who, though technically French nationals, were required to apply for French citizenship and undergo a naturalization process.[10] For this reason, they are sometimes incorrectly categorized as pieds-noirs. The decision to extend citizenship to Algerian Jews was a result of pressures from prominent members of the liberal, intellectual French Jewish community, which considered the North African Jews to be “backward” and wanted to bring them into modernity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Algeria#French_Algeria

  41. @guest
    @Charles Pewitt

    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @AnotherGuessModel, @Truth, @TWS, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Bumps on noses are hardly foisted on us as a beauty ideal, since 99% of female entertainers and models (even ones that would surprise you) whittle down their nose bridges. Her features are definitely strong, but also refined, which is another classic feminine ideal alongside dainty prettiness.

    http://www.hypable.com/gal-gadot-signs-three-picture-deal-to-play-wonder-woman/

    • Replies: @guest
    @AnotherGuessModel

    "Bumps on noses are hardly foisted on us as a beauty ideal"

    No, they don't get that specific. What's foisted on us is the general feel. The public isn't going to stop associating full, perky breasts with feminine beauty, for instance. But they will foist upon us flat-chested women as beautiful. Which isn't to say flat-chested women aren't beautiful, but the trend is toward separating sexual attraction (or heterosexual attraction) from beauty standards. Eventually, large breasts will be automatically associated with low class, I predict.

    The nose bump is not exactly the thing in high fashion, though lots of them have one. I've been trying to figure it out, and I think it's a result of their preference for noses that stand out combined with the extreme indentation they want where the nose and forehead come together. That is productive of very unfeminine curvature in models' noses.

    We are bullied into thinking fashion models are beautiful, and Gadot was a fashion model. It works that way. Whether she has this specific feature or that, and whether they want to push acceptance of this feature or that among the general public wasn't my point.

    Meanwhile, they costume her up, pose her, and use special effects to make her look more feminine and therefore more acceptable to the masses. Why they can't just cast a Lynda Carter is beyond me, except snarky critics would probably be calling her fat.

    "99% of female entertainers and models whittle down their nose bridges"

    I don't know if that's true of models, but even if it were, it's akin to boob jobs. Lots of models get those, because they want to be lingerie models or because they know people just plain like big breasts. But at the same time it's painfully obvious that feature is not promoted by the dominant culture. Not like it used to be, anyway.

  42. Those of you who insist that mousegirl is downright pretty and not merely nonthreateningly na’im: do you think it would have killed her to eat a little chicken soup with rice, and maybe pick up a set of weights once or twice, before performing as an Amazon?

  43. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Hmmm. She’s rather fine looking for an Amazon warrior. Don’t let the fact that she’s Israeli distort your perception of aesthetics. 🙂

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term "Jewfu"). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)

    Replies: @Difference Maker, @guest, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Autochthon

    , @Joe Walker
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Why do you find it so difficult to believe that many men do not find her attractive?

    , @BB753
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    She's a bit lacking in the breasts department, which is a handicap when portraying Wonder Woman. And in other everyday situations.

  44. @Alfa158
    When she asks "who was on screen", she really means "who was on screen who was Jewish AND looked like me". Feminists are perpetually butt-hurt about the failure of men to go gaga over them regardless of how they look. Instead, guys are supposed to get the hots for them because of their highly evolved consciousness.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Emily Shire’s actually a bit better looking than I would have guessed. She’s no Lauren Bacall or Hedy Lamarr, though.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @syonredux

    I think it's more just that the professional cosmetologists at Fox News are more skilled than whoever made her up (herself?) for the photograph at her blog.

  45. @syonredux

    I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked
     
    The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC. The Great and the Good want to say nice things about a female led-and-directed superhero film. I saw it yesterday ( Didn't pay; I theatre-hopped after watching Alien: Covenant ), and it's just OK. It's certainly nowhere near as enjoyable as The Dark Knight, Iron Man, or Captain America:The Winter Soldier.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Chrisnonymous, @European-American

    One thing that really stood out to me regarding Wonder Woman is just how derivative it is. It’s Captain America: The First Avenger mixed with the fish-out-of-water stuff from Thor. I suppose that they thought that setting the action in WWI (as opposed to WWII) would keep people from noticing….

    • Replies: @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    @syonredux

    This.

    None of these are good movies but Thor was more fun as it has a more charismatic lead who can approximate being an actor in a scene (Gadot couldn't even pull off the right mugging expressions) as well as a wonderfully hammy Asgardian pseudo-shakespeare cast&story. It is also half an hour shorter than Wonder Woman.


    Captain American: The First Avenger
    can get away with a lot because, again, Chris Evans has great screen presence and it was well paced and snappy. It also helps that WWII is so well-trodden and mythologized that you can almost ignore how superficial they treat the period or the narrative itself.

    In contrast, Wonder Woman is wounded by how cartoonishly it treats WWI and its story- especially as the plot revolves around the character struggling to sympathize with humans in a war-torn world. All I took away from it was Diana switched capriciously between pitying and being amused by humans and their miseries of war.

    There are a multitude of problems with this film-- including the poor directing -- and it is perplexing what so many people see in this movie.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    @syonredux

    A comic book movie that's derivative? How can that be?

    Remember when Comic Book Man was a joke everyone sneered at? Now this childish folderol is being held up (by simpletons mostly, but still) as having deep sociological and historical import and defining the state of our world. Omega basement boys' power fantasies (and in the case of WW, her creator's BDSM fantasies) are being elevated to the level of great literature/art and trenchant political analysis.

    No wonder that test showed college kids can't think critically. Look what they have to work with!

  46. It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather….. Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people’s claims that the Jews aren’t attracted to their own women?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Mikey Darmody

    >do Israelis fetishize their military women

    Prior to this, Gadot was famously in a pin-up campaign organized by the Israeli government, that was exposed as favoring Israeli women who were already established as professional models and who had not served in the military. Following that and with the benefit of Instagram, there are regular astroturf propaganda campaigns with photos of actual serving IDF chicks, often in auhentic-looking uniforms or photographed "spontaneously." They consistently look much better than the professional models.
    There's a "Norwegian" guy that posted the same set every night at /pol/ for about three months.
    Israeli military amazons have been dramatically talked-up and exaggerated in more recent movies, notably a Predator sequel that featuring an "Israeli jungle warfare specialist" (let that sink in), and the foundational text here is an old eighties flick titled "This Is The Army, Girls," which has a wrestling-training scene and a CFMN scene.
    And of course Israelis deny this in the US press but they have always been intensely aware that their main enemy is literally "afraid of girls." There are stories about female IDF soldiers publicly humiliating old Arab men without provocation, basically for the amusement of their male comrades (or their own).

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody

    , @J.Ross
    @Mikey Darmody

    re Ilsa, sex advice columnist Dan Savage responded to a morality issue question about "plantation play," by quoting a famous Native American (possibly Sherman Alexie) on the popularity among red men of the idea of cowgirls tying up braves. Important note: this is fantasy, not law or public policy. It doesn't really mean anything. And it is very consistent across the board (view my statement upthread about /pol/ setting everything else aside to trade pictures of Jewfus like they were baseball cards).

    , @International Jew
    @Mikey Darmody


    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women?
     
    In one limited, and amusing way, yes. The army has girls teach new recruits how to use weapons — rifles, tanks, etc. It's done on purpose as it's thought the boys pay closer attention that way (even in their usually sleep-deprived state).

    And that happened to be Gal Gadot's role during her military service (according to Wikipedia).

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody

    , @Moshe
    @Mikey Darmody

    When I lived in Israel it was as an American and I was not in the army. I could have been but I was terrified of losing some kind of celestial battle and ending up as a jobnik rather than working intelligence or infantry.

    Anyhow, I, and my foreign colleagues who actually were in uniform, found the Israeli soldier girls breathtaking. It almost looked like they were ALL literally stunning, which obviously could not have been the case.

    I never quite analyzed it but I guess it has to do with the fact that they're all physically fit and that being in the army doesn't detract from their femininity because ALL girls are in the army, so their self confidence doesn't effect their natural submissveness to men.

    Or something like that.

    As for American women in the army. Yes, most look like dogs but not all.

    I ----

    Oh no, I was about to mention a girl I knew going into the marines when I worked near 29 palms but I looked her name up and---- either it's not her (it's been a decade) of maybe women don't improve with age.

    Okay!

    Next topic.


    How does this square with some people’s claims that the Jews aren’t attracted to their own women?
     
    I can guess at one element in play and can speak more personally to another.

    My guess is that back in the immigrant days shiksas who could afford the lifestyle and makeup to look pretty looked better than Jewish washerwomen and also promised a better life, obviously enhancing their prettiness.

    The same is true in the chassidic world today although their fantasy is for a modern orthodox or non orthodox jewish woman, for the same reason.

    One I can speak to more personally is that, on average, Jewish women can be more of an emotional handful than non-jewish women. I don't know how much of this is cultural and how much is genetic, but American Jewish women, JAPs, can be difficult. At least for Jews.

    As for general attractiveness, I can only speak for myself. I find good-looking Jewish girls far far cuter than good-looking non Jewish girls.

    Obviously this only relates to the respective good looking ones in each category, but I have no interest in "hot" girls as conpared with "cute" ones.

    The former look like manly sluts to me and the latter like smiley cuddly feminine beauties.

    The whole blond and tall thing is probably for the sort of men who take pride in their penis size (a concept I first heard of about ten years ago and sincerely thought it was a female-created joke until really recently) and who enjoy waking up to creatures with a square jaw and cold eyes while the latter is for men who enjoy being funny and playing around and want to wake up to a light brown haired girl-looking-girl with curves and with less than 4 feet of washboard abs between their upper curves and lower ones.

    The ideal of course is a Non-Jap with these physical attributes.

    Thankfully in America they are fairly common, although the grotesque bleached blonde thing self-selects a number from circulation.

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody, @Autochthon

    , @englishmike
    @Mikey Darmody


    How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?
     
    Sigmund Freud once told me that is because men are secretly attracted to something in a woman that reminds them of their mother. But in Jewish men this creates a cognitive dissonance that explains their susceptibility to neurosis. He wanted to call this the Portnoy Complex, but was anxious about being too far ahead of his time. You don't believe me, do you?

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody

  47. The debate “Are Jews white?”

    Shouldn’t the debate be are Jews Hellenic? Gadot appears to be Semitic, why is she playing a Hellene on screen?

    • Replies: @guest
    @George

    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn't necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Difference Maker, @syonredux, @EH, @SteveRogers42

  48. @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Says you. She doesn't look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she's in her early 30s - more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider "attractive" is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates "attractiveness" in the form of "health" and "symmetric features" to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Marty, @San Fernando Curt, @SteveRogers42

    “what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy”

    Health is necessary but insufficient. Good-looking men are healthy, too, but they aren’t pretty. (Unless they’re pretty boys, but that just means they’re prettier than normal for a male.)

    “As almost everything human males consider ‘attractive’ is some kind of sign of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates ‘attractiveness’ in the form of ‘health’ and ‘symmetric features’”

    You pick unisex qualities, which could be present in both males and females. But humans, as you may have forgotten, are sexually dimorphic. Normal, heterosexual males aren’t attracted to Abstract Fertility. They’re attracted to secondary sexual characteristics developed by women during puberty. They like their women to be feminine.

    Masculine-looking women and prepubescent females are not attractive to the them no matter how clear is their skin, nor how trim they are. We weren’t talking about attraction, anyway, but about prettiness. It’s even less true that unfeminine women can be pretty. Because prettiness implies femininity.

  49. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Hmmm. She’s rather fine looking for an Amazon warrior. Don’t let the fact that she’s Israeli distort your perception of aesthetics. :)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Walker, @BB753

    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term “Jewfu”). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Difference Maker
    @J.Ross

    Aye, too much white knighting goes on here

    Gal Gadot looks a bit like Ms. Portman; no doubt that was also a consideration. To extend the fantasy of some nerd's crush

    , @guest
    @J.Ross

    Weisz is pretty despite having some noticeably unfemimine features. (Her nose and brow, specifically.) She's interesting-looking, no offense, which I guess has allowed her to play character roles instead of just leading ladies or sex pots.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @J.Ross


    There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women
     
    I shall defer to your expertise.

    To repeat, Gadot is fine looking for a comic book Amazon warrior. Commenters (not you) complaining that she’s not suitably feminine perhaps don’t understand she was cast as the lead in a conventional superhero action movie. Casting a petite bombshell like Hayden Panettiere (for example) wouldn’t make any sense.
    , @Autochthon
    @J.Ross

    It's Kat Dennings v. Milana "AT&T&A" Vayntru in a dead heat for the Most Beautiful Jewess in the World...or at least Hollywood (although Vayntrub's values are apparently hideous...but what do you expect from one of the Parasite People...).

    Speaking of goofy propaganda about Jews and beauty in stupid comic-book movies: The idea that Thor was utterly beguiled by Portman's Jane whilst Kat Dennings' character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief, even in a film about superheroes. Although both actresses are Jewesses, so in this case it was clearly a matter of Portman's greater star-power or whatever (not that Portman is unattractive; she's just no Kat Dennings...).

    Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown, @guest

  50. I don’t get any of this b*llsh*t.

    Wasn’t Wonder Woman originally meant to be from ancient Greece, possibly from Lesbos.

    That’s why she was called Diana as I remember.

    I still don’t know why she dresses herself in a flag of the US in a peculiar cheerleader fashion.

    And where do gender politics come in?

    I think she was just in a straight relationship with Superman, none of them was trans or anything. It’s Superman and Wonder Woman, not Supertrans and Wonder Gayman.

  51. @syonredux
    @songbird


    Of course, they were silent about the Rock playing him.
     
    Hey, everybody knows that Polynesians were thick on the ground in Ancient Greece...

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel

    Hercules’ great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock’s ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version. Of course, the left would sieze on the casting of any distinctly European looks to make accusations of whitewashing, even unawares (and many are) of this tidbit about Hercules’ family tree.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @AnotherGuessModel


    Hercules’ great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock’s ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version.
     
    Dunno about the Rock looking "ethnically ambiguous." To my eyes, he looks quite Polynesian...

    As for Hercules' great-grandmother being the Ethiopian princess Andromeda, that doesn't seem to have influenced how the Greeks and the Romans depicted him:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles#/media/File:Hercules_Farnese_3637104088_9c95d7fe3c_b.jpg

    Looks quite European to me.....

    Replies: @Romanian

  52. Here’s an article on the “Jewish essence of Wonder Woman”:

    Gal Gadot and the Jewish essence of Wonder Woman

    “Wonder Woman was created in and for World War II,” Glen Weldon, author of “Superman: The Unauthorized Biography” said during a 2013 interview on National Public Radio. “That was her whole shtick, fighting the Nazis.”

    Indeed, Wonder Woman’s first adversaries in the comic books are the military of the Axis powers, whose defeat is her raison d’etre. Though the new Hollywood version inexplicably changes the war from World War II to World War I, fighting Hitler is in the character’s DNA — but so is tikkun olam (repairing the world).

    “She was created to be something of a contradiction,” Weldon said. “She is a warrior for peace. That’s tough.”

    Ha! Not if you’re Israeli.

    http://jewishjournal.com/hollywood/film/219779/gal-gadot-jewish-essence-wonder-woman/

    Now I know that a lot of Jews have a strong investment in the idea that comic book superheroes are a specifically Jewish thing. Michael Chabon, for example, devoted his considerable literary talents to the idea that the golem somehow gave rise to the genre*, but Wonder Woman is a bad place to go looking for the some kind of Jewish essence. Her creator, William Moulton Marston , was non-Jewish. He was also something of a weirdo:

    Similarly, the biggest secret in Wonder Woman’s history has been common knowledge for some time; Marston was a polyamorist, who had children both by his wife, Elizabeth Holloway, and by his live-in lover and former graduate student, Olive Byrne. Many of the details of this relationship, though, are new, and riveting.

    Lepore reports, for instance, that the Marstons had a polyamorous relationship with another woman, Marjorie W. Huntley, before they met Byrne, and that she remained an on-and-off member of the family long after Byrne arrived, helping out with the inking and lettering of the Wonder Woman comics in the 1940s, and occasionally staying with Holloway and Byrne after Marston’s death. Further, Huntley, Byrne, Holloway, and Marston all participated in what Lepore describes as a “sex cult” in 1925-26 at the home of Marston’s aunt Carolyn. Participants celebrated female sexual power, dominance, submission and love by forming “Love Units” consisting of multiple partners, including Love Girls who “do not … practice … concealment of the love organs” (translated from New Age, that means they didn’t wear clothes.)

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/10/wonder-womans-feminism/381579/

    *A truly ludicrous notion. the roots of the superhero lie in things like Philip Wylie’s Gladiator (the true source for Superman; forget all that crap about Moses), Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, John Carter, and The Shadow, not in Shtetl folktales.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @syonredux

    "the roots of the superhero lie in things like Philip Wylie's Gladiator (the true source for Superman; forget all that crap about Moses), Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, John Carter, and The Shadow, not in Shtetl folktales."

    Not to mention Doc Savage, who had a hideaway in the far North called the Fortress of Solitude, well before Superman's.

    BTW, I tried to read a Doc Savage story, "The Polar Treasure." Really bad writing, and I can see why it has resisted efforts to revive the franchise. It violated principles of good story-telling by showing Savage the master of every situation, where he could pull arbitrary abilities out of thin air to solve every problem, including knowing how to speak obscure Eskimo dialects.

    Replies: @syonredux, @SteveRogers42

  53. @biz
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that's after kids.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @Joe Walker, @Autochthon

    Anti-semitism may be able to turn people gay, but high fashion definitely tricks people into accepting gay aesthetics. Gadot is not as bad as some, but she’s a definite model-type. Don’t be tricked.

  54. @Mikey Darmody
    It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather..... Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @International Jew, @Moshe, @englishmike

    >do Israelis fetishize their military women

    Prior to this, Gadot was famously in a pin-up campaign organized by the Israeli government, that was exposed as favoring Israeli women who were already established as professional models and who had not served in the military. Following that and with the benefit of Instagram, there are regular astroturf propaganda campaigns with photos of actual serving IDF chicks, often in auhentic-looking uniforms or photographed “spontaneously.” They consistently look much better than the professional models.
    There’s a “Norwegian” guy that posted the same set every night at /pol/ for about three months.
    Israeli military amazons have been dramatically talked-up and exaggerated in more recent movies, notably a Predator sequel that featuring an “Israeli jungle warfare specialist” (let that sink in), and the foundational text here is an old eighties flick titled “This Is The Army, Girls,” which has a wrestling-training scene and a CFMN scene.
    And of course Israelis deny this in the US press but they have always been intensely aware that their main enemy is literally “afraid of girls.” There are stories about female IDF soldiers publicly humiliating old Arab men without provocation, basically for the amusement of their male comrades (or their own).

    • Replies: @Mikey Darmody
    @J.Ross

    I suppose it is a good recruitment tactic, probably better than the Western style of touting the economic benefits of military service. It would be best to recruit young men by appealing to love of country and desire for glory. However, America may be too debased to hold up as an object of devotion.
    This talk of lady soldiers hearkens back to the Nietzsche thread. He recognized how cruel women can be. Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense. A great play that is proto-Nietzschean and aware of the feminine nature of cruelty and madness is the Bacchae by Euripides:
    “They did attack our herds: you could have seen a woman pull a calf to pieces as it bellowed alive in her bare hands!”

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

  55. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @PiltdownMan

    The first half-Jewish MP was this guy, elected in 1770

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampson_Eardley,_1st_Baron_Eardley

    Economist David Ricardo’s son with his Quaker wife was another early half-Jew to serve in Parliament.

    In 1802 this guy became the first full-blooded Jew to serve in Parliament

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasseh_Masseh_Lopes

    He had purchased land that included a rotten borough and thus two MPs, so he essentially elected himself, and later his nephew.

    The first practicing Jew was elected in 1847, from the first-among-equals City of London district:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_de_Rothschild

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Lot

    Francis Salvador was elected to public office in South Carolina in 1774:


    Francis Salvador (1747 – August 1, 1776) was a young English plantation owner in the colony of South Carolina from the Sephardic Jewish community of London; in 1774 he was the first Jew to be elected to public office in the colonies when chosen for the Provincial Congress. He had joined the independence cause and in 1776 was the first Jew killed in the American Revolutionary War, fighting with the militia on the South Carolina frontier against Loyalists and their Cherokee allies
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Salvador
  56. @Lot
    @Steve Sailer

    The first half-Jewish MP was this guy, elected in 1770

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampson_Eardley,_1st_Baron_Eardley

    Economist David Ricardo's son with his Quaker wife was another early half-Jew to serve in Parliament.


    In 1802 this guy became the first full-blooded Jew to serve in Parliament

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasseh_Masseh_Lopes

    He had purchased land that included a rotten borough and thus two MPs, so he essentially elected himself, and later his nephew.


    The first practicing Jew was elected in 1847, from the first-among-equals City of London district:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_de_Rothschild

    Replies: @syonredux

    Francis Salvador was elected to public office in South Carolina in 1774:

    Francis Salvador (1747 – August 1, 1776) was a young English plantation owner in the colony of South Carolina from the Sephardic Jewish community of London; in 1774 he was the first Jew to be elected to public office in the colonies when chosen for the Provincial Congress. He had joined the independence cause and in 1776 was the first Jew killed in the American Revolutionary War, fighting with the militia on the South Carolina frontier against Loyalists and their Cherokee allies

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Salvador

  57. @AnotherGuessModel
    @syonredux

    Hercules' great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock's ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version. Of course, the left would sieze on the casting of any distinctly European looks to make accusations of whitewashing, even unawares (and many are) of this tidbit about Hercules' family tree.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Hercules’ great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock’s ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version.

    Dunno about the Rock looking “ethnically ambiguous.” To my eyes, he looks quite Polynesian…

    As for Hercules’ great-grandmother being the Ethiopian princess Andromeda, that doesn’t seem to have influenced how the Greeks and the Romans depicted him:

    Looks quite European to me…..

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @syonredux

    Maybe the supposed ancestors could have been leuko-ethiopians, which was apparently a thing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Aethiopians

    People generally forget that, before the outward expansion of the Europeans throughout the world, there was also a massive contraction, in a few phases. Think of the Arabs overrunning the Middle East and Christian North Africa and, later, the Turkic conquest of Anatolia.

    Or the displacement of many tribes, including the classical Bulgarians, from Central Asia, under pressure from Asiatic migratory peoples. Or their destruction.

    These are paradigm changes that ripple onwards in time. The final cleansing of the Christian (and the most European) elements of Turkey and the Middle East took place in the early 20th century and is now undergoing a mopping up operation. Consider Lebanon's demographic transformation based on the inflow of outsiders and, now, the fertility differentials.

    So, there were once White (ish?) Africans in Ethiopia and now the have been subsumed by another race or simply lost their former countenance because of selection. What will Turkey look like in a few hundred years? Or Eastern Europe, given the gypsy element? Or Western Europe.

    Replies: @syonredux

  58. @Mikey Darmody
    It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather..... Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @International Jew, @Moshe, @englishmike

    re Ilsa, sex advice columnist Dan Savage responded to a morality issue question about “plantation play,” by quoting a famous Native American (possibly Sherman Alexie) on the popularity among red men of the idea of cowgirls tying up braves. Important note: this is fantasy, not law or public policy. It doesn’t really mean anything. And it is very consistent across the board (view my statement upthread about /pol/ setting everything else aside to trade pictures of Jewfus like they were baseball cards).

  59. @AnotherGuessModel
    @guest

    Bumps on noses are hardly foisted on us as a beauty ideal, since 99% of female entertainers and models (even ones that would surprise you) whittle down their nose bridges. Her features are definitely strong, but also refined, which is another classic feminine ideal alongside dainty prettiness.

    http://www.hypable.com/gal-gadot-signs-three-picture-deal-to-play-wonder-woman/

    Replies: @guest

    “Bumps on noses are hardly foisted on us as a beauty ideal”

    No, they don’t get that specific. What’s foisted on us is the general feel. The public isn’t going to stop associating full, perky breasts with feminine beauty, for instance. But they will foist upon us flat-chested women as beautiful. Which isn’t to say flat-chested women aren’t beautiful, but the trend is toward separating sexual attraction (or heterosexual attraction) from beauty standards. Eventually, large breasts will be automatically associated with low class, I predict.

    The nose bump is not exactly the thing in high fashion, though lots of them have one. I’ve been trying to figure it out, and I think it’s a result of their preference for noses that stand out combined with the extreme indentation they want where the nose and forehead come together. That is productive of very unfeminine curvature in models’ noses.

    We are bullied into thinking fashion models are beautiful, and Gadot was a fashion model. It works that way. Whether she has this specific feature or that, and whether they want to push acceptance of this feature or that among the general public wasn’t my point.

    Meanwhile, they costume her up, pose her, and use special effects to make her look more feminine and therefore more acceptable to the masses. Why they can’t just cast a Lynda Carter is beyond me, except snarky critics would probably be calling her fat.

    “99% of female entertainers and models whittle down their nose bridges”

    I don’t know if that’s true of models, but even if it were, it’s akin to boob jobs. Lots of models get those, because they want to be lingerie models or because they know people just plain like big breasts. But at the same time it’s painfully obvious that feature is not promoted by the dominant culture. Not like it used to be, anyway.

  60. @J.Ross
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term "Jewfu"). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)

    Replies: @Difference Maker, @guest, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Autochthon

    Aye, too much white knighting goes on here

    Gal Gadot looks a bit like Ms. Portman; no doubt that was also a consideration. To extend the fantasy of some nerd’s crush

  61. @Charles Pewitt
    Lynda Carter Is Beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/RealLyndaCarter/status/834780320708837377

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Rifleman, @Neoconned, @Father O'Hara, @William Badwhite, @Robert Dunn

    She was spectacularly beautiful.

    But one of the conceits of her ’70s Wonder Woman was that she was supposed to be plain-looking as an Army secretary.

    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Dave Pinsen

    She was awesome, but the show was unbelievably bad. Amazon had a good deal on the DVDs about 12 years ago and I had the misfortune to watch the entire series again after so many years. It was a lot more fun when I was a kid. Ugh.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Truth

    , @TWS
    @Dave Pinsen

    She wore glasses. Glasses.

    , @bored identity
    @Dave Pinsen

    bored identity would say that Mrs. Carter definitely have had and still has a plenty of plain-looking.

  62. @George
    The debate “Are Jews white?”

    Shouldn't the debate be are Jews Hellenic? Gadot appears to be Semitic, why is she playing a Hellene on screen?

    Replies: @guest

    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn’t necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @guest

    William Blake Tyrrell has an excellent short book that lays out convincingly that the Athenian ruling class used them as a politically convenient and nakedly xenophobic metaphor for Persians. Apparently new discoveries emerged as soon as I lost interest in the topic, but when I followed it, there were two explanations:
    These are non-Greek ancient Eastern Europeans whose ruling class women sometimes took up arms (this is thoroughly evidenced but doesn't get you a viable matriarchal society).
    Or
    This is a very primitive society, where social gender roles are not well defined: not women dominating men but women dominating overgrown boys. This would explain why these societies do not survive beyond meeting societies of "real men." This is somewhat borne out by very primitive societies observable today (none of which look anything like Amazons).
    By the way, "Amazon" is the single worst term for warrior women. In Greek mythology they exist to be laughed at -- when Bellerophon defeats you, you're doing something wrong.

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Difference Maker
    @guest


    Herodotus made them out to be Turkish
     
    In those days Scythian actually meant Scythian i.e. blond haired white skinned
    , @syonredux
    @guest


    Herodotus made them out to be Turkish,
     
    He placed them in Anatolia. No Turks in Anatolia back then.

    as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.
     
    Libya. Other myths placed them in Ukraine, the Caucasus, Albania, etc.

    Replies: @guest

    , @EH
    @guest

    From archaeological evidence that 1/5th of those buried with weapons were women, the likely origin of the legend of the Amazons was the Scythian or Sarmatian peoples who were originally of the northern coast of the Black Sea and the steppes and river valleys north of that latitude, descended from the Kurgan (Yamna and Maykop peoples), proto- Indo-Europeans of the same area, particularly the Northern Caucasus, the most likely inventors of the wheel and domesticators of the horse, whose descendants later conquered everything from Mongolia to France (indeed, the Sicambrian Franks who founded France were Scythians by their own account, which is backed by the similarity of the gold work, for instance in the Merovingian and Bactrian hoards.)

    The purest descendants of the Scythians today are the Ossetians of the northern Caucasus (e.g. Beslan, where their children were massacred at school by Chechen terrorists). Nearly a third of Ossetians still follow their ancient pagan religion, Uatsdin. Their closest cousins are the Alans (Alani in the Roman chronicles, a form of the word "Aryan", also the origin of the name "Alan"), who settled mostly in Armorica (Brittany, France) and the Jasz, who have lived in Hungary since they arrived with the Mongol invasion.

    , @SteveRogers42
    @guest

    Did someone say "Paradise Island"?

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/inside-skirt-club-hollywood-new-yorks-high-glamour-sex-party-women-1010607

  63. It takes a major effort to make me NOT want to see a Gal Gadot movie, not even on Netflix, but the liberal feminoids with their relentless anti-male hype and women only exclusive theater showings have accomplished exactly that. Clearly I am not only not the target audience for this movie but its producers specifically don’t want me as part of the audience. So I’ll pass. Sorry, Gal.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Kirt

    For the past month at /tv/ (Television And Film), the 4chan board I fled to after /pol/ was completely taken over by David Brock's paid spam disruption campaign (imagine every single iSteve commenter replying to every issue by merely calling Steve dumb), there have been twelve or more simultaneous "Wonder Woman" threads at any time. Twelve threads varying a rotating handful of familiar pictures and phrases. For reasons of space and fairness, there's only supposed to be one thread per topic. I hear it was worse for "Get Out."
    There is also a solicitation-thread for Rachel Weisz which always re-uses the same photo: it only appears one at a time, but it is reposted three or four times a day. Contributing new content and giving others space to do so is both rule and culture, for 4chan and the internet. If our militancy fails, the internet is going to be nothing but a lot of artificially intelligent TV commercials screaming at each other.

  64. @guest
    Is it possible they're not aware one of the biggest female stars in Hollywood, Natalie Portman, is not only Jewish but was born in Jerusalem? She gets to star in plenty of action movies, too, though she's not usually drop kicking 300-lb. men herself.

    They don't try very hard writing these articles. They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jim Don Bob, @Dave Pinsen, @AnotherDad, @Rosamond Vincy

    If you think the “where are the Jews onscreen?” take is dumb, consider that this Wonder Woman movie already spawned a debate about whether Wonder Woman should shave her underarms.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @Dave Pinsen

    How much of this is merely retroactively justifying their own laziness/lack of beauty?

    "Don't shave your armpits", "Don't shame fat girls", " Etc.

  65. @biz
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that's after kids.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @Joe Walker, @Autochthon

    Have *you* seen her body? Straight up and down, no T or A to speak of. Not as bad as it could be, because she has some curvature of the hips and her shoulders don’t make her look like a linebacker.

    I don’t feel good criticizing like this, but so long as people are holding her up as hot, something must be said. Beauty standards are sacred.

    By the way, I’d be happy if she were more masculine, given that she’s playing an Amazon. She’s too slight for the role. But I guess computers fix that.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @guest

    But I guess computers fix that.

    Please explain.

    , @Anon7
    @guest

    You have no idea. Gadot was very pregnant during much of filming. She would carry it well (she's 5'10"), but she wore a triangle of green cloth over the bump; her figure was filled in (or subtracted) in post-production.

    , @Rod1963
    @guest

    I agree no T or A.

    Nor really hot unless you're into skinny, frail fashion models.
    ook

  66. @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Says you. She doesn't look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she's in her early 30s - more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider "attractive" is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates "attractiveness" in the form of "health" and "symmetric features" to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Marty, @San Fernando Curt, @SteveRogers42

    She reminds me a bit of Michelle Jenneke but prettier. Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!

    • Replies: @Truth
    @fish


    Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!
     
    %99!!!!!!
    , @Desiderius
    @fish

    My thought as well.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bx0bi1CjGBY

  67. @syonredux
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    No, she's pretty; she's just not as beautiful as Lynda Carter was in her prime.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Who is? Circa 1975 Lynda Carter is about as a hot as it gets.

    But Lynda Carter’s Wonder Woman was much more feminine than feminist. She looked like she never touched a dumbbell. And how many times did some bad guy get the drop on her with chloroform?

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Dave Pinsen

    Both the comic book and Lynda Carter TV show balanced out the feminist nature of the character by including some damsel-in-distress / BDSM-type scenarios. In fact, WW's creator, William Moulton Marsten, was a noted BDSM enthusiast. In her original incarnation, Wonder Woman could be rendered powerless by having her hands bound by a man (!). Needless to say, I'm sure all these aspects have been dropped for this latest film, probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @European-American, @res

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think that if someone is playing the role of an action hero, to say nothing of an out-and-out superhuman, they should look like they could do something more athletic than tearing open a bag of Cheetos. Back in the day, Olympic swimmer Amanda Beard would have been physically convincing in the part. She had big blue eyes that put her waaayyy up on the Hot/Crazy matrix, and the physique of, well, an Olympic swimmer.

    http://cityandshorebucket.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/amandasept2015a.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

  68. @J.Ross
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term "Jewfu"). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)

    Replies: @Difference Maker, @guest, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Autochthon

    Weisz is pretty despite having some noticeably unfemimine features. (Her nose and brow, specifically.) She’s interesting-looking, no offense, which I guess has allowed her to play character roles instead of just leading ladies or sex pots.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @guest

    I will overlook your tragic myopia to bring up Cote de Pablo, who I somehow forgot to mention in the upthread discussion of the fetishizing of Israeli military women (she's South American but played the inevitable Israeli madchen-fur-alles on NCIS). She is a good example of the most common Jewish semi-masculinized trait: Tyrannosaur jaw.

  69. “I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?”

    Elizabeth Taylor? Winona Rider, Natalie Portman? Or Jennifer Aniston, Jessica Parker, Mila Kunis and many others I have no idea of? A lot of TV series would be my guess, plus the characters’ names: Hannah, Zach, Zeke, Josh…

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Veritatis

    Jennifer Aniston isn't Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Autochthon, @Njguy73, @syonredux

    , @Stan Adams
    @Veritatis

    Elizabeth Taylor was a convert:
    http://forward.com/culture/136447/a-jew-by-choice-elizabeth-taylor-1932-2011/

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @guest
    @Veritatis

    Elizabeth Taylor was a convert, for what it's worth. Plus, all those names you mention are probably better looking than the author, so they don't count.

    , @Anonymous
    @Veritatis

    A heaping helping of Jewesses are actresses, some of them quite pretty even to my jaundiced eye.

    Liz and MM converted, although the latter's conversion was a sort of hoax foisted on her by Arthur Miller who found "a very humanistic rabbi" to instruct her. Somewhere between Lucy's being taught goofy golf and Sinatra's bogus investiture in the Knights of Malta.

    Nothing in Jennifer Aniston's Wikipedia page indicates any connection to Judaism or Jewish descent:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Aniston

    I would be very surprised if Emirates Airlines would hire a Jewish spokeswoman, besides.

  70. @Kirt
    It takes a major effort to make me NOT want to see a Gal Gadot movie, not even on Netflix, but the liberal feminoids with their relentless anti-male hype and women only exclusive theater showings have accomplished exactly that. Clearly I am not only not the target audience for this movie but its producers specifically don't want me as part of the audience. So I'll pass. Sorry, Gal.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    For the past month at /tv/ (Television And Film), the 4chan board I fled to after /pol/ was completely taken over by David Brock’s paid spam disruption campaign (imagine every single iSteve commenter replying to every issue by merely calling Steve dumb), there have been twelve or more simultaneous “Wonder Woman” threads at any time. Twelve threads varying a rotating handful of familiar pictures and phrases. For reasons of space and fairness, there’s only supposed to be one thread per topic. I hear it was worse for “Get Out.”
    There is also a solicitation-thread for Rachel Weisz which always re-uses the same photo: it only appears one at a time, but it is reposted three or four times a day. Contributing new content and giving others space to do so is both rule and culture, for 4chan and the internet. If our militancy fails, the internet is going to be nothing but a lot of artificially intelligent TV commercials screaming at each other.

  71. @syonredux
    @neutral


    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don’t see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ?
     
    I gotta tell this to some of my Irish colleagues. Listen, guys, all you have to do is say that the Irish aren't White...then watch the affirmative action gibs roll in.....

    Replies: @Joe Walker

    Most Irish people like whites and like being white. Unlike the Jews, the Irish are not continuously scheming to bring about the downfall of white nations.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Joe Walker


    Most Irish people like whites and like being white.
     
    You need to hang out with Leftist Irish academics......
  72. @Jim Don Bob
    @guest

    https://emilyshire.com/. A solid 5, maybe 6 if I were drinking, but the crazy bs coming out of her mouth would probably put me off.

    My daddy always said, "Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are". I would still be a virgin had I followed Dad's advice.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Moshe

    Google Images has a panoply of shots where Ms. Shire ranges from “It’s late and I’m drunk” to “Not enough scotch has been distilled”.

    • Replies: @Man Hansome
    @Brutusale

    I know not of this lass but when I saw the photo my first thought was "perhaps after a six pack if there were no other prospects.". Your Google suggestion was spot on. It is a modern version of what we referred to in my 1992 fraternity as the "Bjork Dilemma."

  73. @guest
    @George

    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn't necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Difference Maker, @syonredux, @EH, @SteveRogers42

    William Blake Tyrrell has an excellent short book that lays out convincingly that the Athenian ruling class used them as a politically convenient and nakedly xenophobic metaphor for Persians. Apparently new discoveries emerged as soon as I lost interest in the topic, but when I followed it, there were two explanations:
    These are non-Greek ancient Eastern Europeans whose ruling class women sometimes took up arms (this is thoroughly evidenced but doesn’t get you a viable matriarchal society).
    Or
    This is a very primitive society, where social gender roles are not well defined: not women dominating men but women dominating overgrown boys. This would explain why these societies do not survive beyond meeting societies of “real men.” This is somewhat borne out by very primitive societies observable today (none of which look anything like Amazons).
    By the way, “Amazon” is the single worst term for warrior women. In Greek mythology they exist to be laughed at — when Bellerophon defeats you, you’re doing something wrong.

    • Replies: @AnotherGuessModel
    @J.Ross

    Yes, although there are a number of theories about the real-life inspiration for the Amazons, the mythology is quite explicit in portraying them as barbaric foils to heroic male warriors and Greek cultural values. Cue scolding revisionism from classicists like Donna Zuckerberg. I can see the title now. Woke Amazons Slayed Racist, Misogynist Ancient Greeks

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @J.Ross

    I think it's pretty clear that the Amazon myth was inspired by a community of former Olympic decathlon champions.

  74. @guest
    @George

    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn't necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Difference Maker, @syonredux, @EH, @SteveRogers42

    Herodotus made them out to be Turkish

    In those days Scythian actually meant Scythian i.e. blond haired white skinned

  75. @biz
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that's after kids.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @Joe Walker, @Autochthon

    Why do you find it difficult to believe that many heterosexual men are not attracted to Gal Gadot?

  76. I think we can all agree that Gal Gadot is a much better looking woman than Caitlyn Jenner…

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @JohnyD

    That comment would have gotten you pilloried in the first few heady months after Bruce/Kaitlin's world-shaking announcement (a couple years ago already).

    But now that his TV show has bombed and even the freakish Kardashian clan is washing its hands of him, I guess you can get away with kicking him like that.

    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @JohnyD

    Yeah...but Caitlyn would kick her ass.

  77. @guest
    @Charles Pewitt

    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @AnotherGuessModel, @Truth, @TWS, @Hippopotamusdrome

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that’s just the face.

    OK, you got %90 of the puzzle, now bring it home, Baby!

  78. @syonredux
    Here's an article on the "Jewish essence of Wonder Woman":


    Gal Gadot and the Jewish essence of Wonder Woman

    “Wonder Woman was created in and for World War II,” Glen Weldon, author of “Superman: The Unauthorized Biography” said during a 2013 interview on National Public Radio. “That was her whole shtick, fighting the Nazis.”

    Indeed, Wonder Woman’s first adversaries in the comic books are the military of the Axis powers, whose defeat is her raison d’etre. Though the new Hollywood version inexplicably changes the war from World War II to World War I, fighting Hitler is in the character’s DNA — but so is tikkun olam (repairing the world).

    “She was created to be something of a contradiction,” Weldon said. “She is a warrior for peace. That’s tough.”

    Ha! Not if you’re Israeli.
     
    http://jewishjournal.com/hollywood/film/219779/gal-gadot-jewish-essence-wonder-woman/


    Now I know that a lot of Jews have a strong investment in the idea that comic book superheroes are a specifically Jewish thing. Michael Chabon, for example, devoted his considerable literary talents to the idea that the golem somehow gave rise to the genre*, but Wonder Woman is a bad place to go looking for the some kind of Jewish essence. Her creator, William Moulton Marston , was non-Jewish. He was also something of a weirdo:

    Similarly, the biggest secret in Wonder Woman's history has been common knowledge for some time; Marston was a polyamorist, who had children both by his wife, Elizabeth Holloway, and by his live-in lover and former graduate student, Olive Byrne. Many of the details of this relationship, though, are new, and riveting.

    Lepore reports, for instance, that the Marstons had a polyamorous relationship with another woman, Marjorie W. Huntley, before they met Byrne, and that she remained an on-and-off member of the family long after Byrne arrived, helping out with the inking and lettering of the Wonder Woman comics in the 1940s, and occasionally staying with Holloway and Byrne after Marston's death. Further, Huntley, Byrne, Holloway, and Marston all participated in what Lepore describes as a "sex cult" in 1925-26 at the home of Marston's aunt Carolyn. Participants celebrated female sexual power, dominance, submission and love by forming “Love Units” consisting of multiple partners, including Love Girls who "do not … practice … concealment of the love organs" (translated from New Age, that means they didn't wear clothes.)

     

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/10/wonder-womans-feminism/381579/

    *A truly ludicrous notion. the roots of the superhero lie in things like Philip Wylie's Gladiator (the true source for Superman; forget all that crap about Moses), Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, John Carter, and The Shadow, not in Shtetl folktales.

    Replies: @advancedatheist

    “the roots of the superhero lie in things like Philip Wylie’s Gladiator (the true source for Superman; forget all that crap about Moses), Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, John Carter, and The Shadow, not in Shtetl folktales.”

    Not to mention Doc Savage, who had a hideaway in the far North called the Fortress of Solitude, well before Superman’s.

    BTW, I tried to read a Doc Savage story, “The Polar Treasure.” Really bad writing, and I can see why it has resisted efforts to revive the franchise. It violated principles of good story-telling by showing Savage the master of every situation, where he could pull arbitrary abilities out of thin air to solve every problem, including knowing how to speak obscure Eskimo dialects.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @advancedatheist


    BTW, I tried to read a Doc Savage story, “The Polar Treasure.” Really bad writing, and I can see why it has resisted efforts to revive the franchise. It violated principles of good story-telling by showing Savage the master of every situation, where he could pull arbitrary abilities out of thin air to solve every problem, including knowing how to speak obscure Eskimo dialects.
     
    When I was 10, I went through a pulp hero phase, my interest having been jump-started by reading Philip Jose Farmer's glorious spoof biographies, Tarzan Alive and Doc Savage: His Apocalyptic Life. Despite enjoying Farmer's mock bio, I simply could not get into Doc. Even for a 10-year old boy, the writing was simply atrocious. The Shadow was by far my favorite pulp hero. I read all 23 of the Pyramid reprints of the Shadow novels. They also had great cover art by Jim Steranko.
    , @SteveRogers42
    @advancedatheist

    I was just thinking that this guy would make a good IRL Doc Savage, except he's probably a little short for the role:

    https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/kim-j.pdf

    SEAL (Silver Star), M.D., Astronaut. Probably speaks a couple languages, too.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @syonredux

  79. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Hmmm. She’s rather fine looking for an Amazon warrior. Don’t let the fact that she’s Israeli distort your perception of aesthetics. :)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Walker, @BB753

    Why do you find it so difficult to believe that many men do not find her attractive?

  80. @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Says you. She doesn't look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she's in her early 30s - more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider "attractive" is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates "attractiveness" in the form of "health" and "symmetric features" to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Marty, @San Fernando Curt, @SteveRogers42

    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    @Marty

    > ... the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history ...

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.

    Replies: @Njguy73, @fish

    , @syonredux
    @Marty


    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

     

    Half-Jewish:

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, United States

    Date of Birth: August 10, 1959

    Ethnicity:
    *English, French-Canadian, Swiss-German, German, Scottish, Irish, Welsh (father)
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (mother)
     
    Here's Rosanna's sister's ancestry results:

    *48.5% Ashkenazi
    *36.6% British & Irish
    *0.2% French & German
    *0.1% Finnish
    *11.3% Broadly Northern European
    *1.0% Broadly Southern European
    *2.1% Broadly European

     

    http://ethnicelebs.com/rosanna-arquette

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @Njguy73
    @Marty


    the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette
     
    Rosanna isn't even the sexiest Arquette sister.
    , @SteveRogers42
    @Marty

    I thought Lauren Bacall was Jewish...

  81. @Arclight
    Seems to be a fair amount of commentary on the left where they are disappointed Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender...SJWs are just such miserably people they can't just sit back and enjoy a popcorn movie, they have to screech about how it doesn't put outliers in leading roles just to show they are as good/strong/smart as everyone else.

    Replies: @Truth, @Escher, @Autochthon

    Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender…

    …%95…

    • Replies: @guest
    @Truth

    I would be surprised if she were a transsexual. What that guy's noticing is not the Illuminati's secret army of celebrity he-she's. It's higher culture preference for masculine-looking women.

    Replies: @Truth

  82. @fish
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    She reminds me a bit of Michelle Jenneke but prettier. Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!

    Replies: @Truth, @Desiderius

    Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!

    %99!!!!!!

  83. Since we’re talking about half-Jews and Lynda Carter:

    https://www.google.com/#q=lynda+carter+daughter

    Read it and weep.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @anony-mouse

    I don't think anyone did not already ling since know Carter's daughter was sired by Altman. I'm not sure why the fact should inspire weeping in any event. If every breeding of a gentile woman to a Jew were cause for unhinged wailing and gnashing of teeth, we'd all long since have lost our voices and be gumming mashed potatoes for every meal. Just like the Negroes, mestizos, and all the other hostile and parasitic peoples, taking the women of the targeted population is what Jews do. It's what all such hostile peoples have done since time immemorial. The only difference is the targeted men used to react by fighting rather than cheering.

    Welcome to iSteve, if this basic truism of sociobiology excites you, you're in for Mr. Toad's Wild Ride if you stick around.

    , @IHTG
    @anony-mouse

    Lynda Carter's husband is the CEO of videogame publisher Zenimax (the shell company that owns Bethesda Softworks) and a total sleazeball. But I repeat myself.

    Fun fact: President Trump's younger brother Robert is on his board of directors.

  84. @Arclight
    Seems to be a fair amount of commentary on the left where they are disappointed Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender...SJWs are just such miserably people they can't just sit back and enjoy a popcorn movie, they have to screech about how it doesn't put outliers in leading roles just to show they are as good/strong/smart as everyone else.

    Replies: @Truth, @Escher, @Autochthon

    Maybe one of the leading ladies from the new “Ghostbusters” can take the role.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Escher

    Unfortunately, I've already spent my one alloted LOL on this thread. So, LOL for your comment too.

  85. @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Says you. She doesn't look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she's in her early 30s - more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider "attractive" is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates "attractiveness" in the form of "health" and "symmetric features" to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Marty, @San Fernando Curt, @SteveRogers42

    She’s a beautiful woman.

  86. CAL says:

    Best description I heard for the film is that it is a mediocre Marvel film. That in itself means (excluding the recent Batman films) it’s a step up for DC.

    Oh no, Wonder Woman is played by a white woman just like she has always been played by a white woman. The fanboys are fine with that because it fits the role. Meanwhile the SJW grrrlll power reaction is plain stupid. Madness has gripped a certain portion of the world.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @CAL

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/872564206545096704

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @Njguy73

  87. @guest
    @J.Ross

    Weisz is pretty despite having some noticeably unfemimine features. (Her nose and brow, specifically.) She's interesting-looking, no offense, which I guess has allowed her to play character roles instead of just leading ladies or sex pots.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I will overlook your tragic myopia to bring up Cote de Pablo, who I somehow forgot to mention in the upthread discussion of the fetishizing of Israeli military women (she’s South American but played the inevitable Israeli madchen-fur-alles on NCIS). She is a good example of the most common Jewish semi-masculinized trait: Tyrannosaur jaw.

  88. Douglas Fairbanks and Fred Astaire were both part Jewish.

  89. My biggest problem with this film is one of tension. Can Wonder Woman take a bullet or not? In BVSM she got knocked around in a way that would make it seem like she is effectively bullet-proof, but in this film she has to block every shot. Weirdly the German soldiers play along and never try to shoot her anywhere but her gauntlets or shield, or when she pauses in the open for dramatic effect. Granted this is a problem for all these movies, but with only one character to focus on, you’d think they’d get it straight what her limits are.

    Others have pointed out that she does well enough in the comedic scenes and action scenes but doesn’t quite have the screen presence to draw you in and make you care about the character. She seems more like a plot device. I think a lot of people wanted Jamie Alexander to be Wonder Woman when this was announced and I think that would have been a good choice, she looks more like the character and is a better actress and is highly charismatic.

    The overall quality and innovativeness of the film (The god of war is inducing the Great War, we have to stop him sabotaging the peace negotiations, but we still get to kill a bunch of German conscripts as if they were Nazis anyway.) kept it going along.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Altai

    Jaime Alexander: 5/10. Would not bang.

  90. Perhaps my two favorite American Jews of all time: Judah P. Benjamin and David Levy Yulee. If America had a couple dozen like them today, we’d be much better off.

    France, Britain and Germany also are in dire need of a couple dozen Jews like them.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Jake

    77 Jake > my two favorite American Jews of all time

    can I get you to make it three? Commodore Levy was the guy who abolished corporal punishment in the US Navy

    There's a US Navy synagogue named for him onboard Norfolk Navy Base. It's upstairs from the Christian chapel. Free wine and egg-bread every Friday night if you don't mind looking at some non-Flag-Officer-staff quality of Navy girls.

    When I was there a very long time ago, the Muslims did not have their own room. Bet that has changed.

  91. @syonredux

    I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked
     
    The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC. The Great and the Good want to say nice things about a female led-and-directed superhero film. I saw it yesterday ( Didn't pay; I theatre-hopped after watching Alien: Covenant ), and it's just OK. It's certainly nowhere near as enjoyable as The Dark Knight, Iron Man, or Captain America:The Winter Soldier.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Chrisnonymous, @European-American

    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that’s not a good endorsement.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Chrisnonymous


    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that’s not a good endorsement.
     
    I rather enjoyed it.Good action scenes, plus a critique of Obama's assassination-by-drone foreign policy. I also liked Robert Redford essentially playing a variation on Cliff Robertson's part in Three Days of the Condor.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    It bored me too.

    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can't die, and many times, neither can their enemies.

    Replies: @syonredux, @snorlax

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Chrisnonymous

    It had its moments.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqIBGEcKhGs

    Replies: @syonredux

  92. @J.Ross
    @guest

    William Blake Tyrrell has an excellent short book that lays out convincingly that the Athenian ruling class used them as a politically convenient and nakedly xenophobic metaphor for Persians. Apparently new discoveries emerged as soon as I lost interest in the topic, but when I followed it, there were two explanations:
    These are non-Greek ancient Eastern Europeans whose ruling class women sometimes took up arms (this is thoroughly evidenced but doesn't get you a viable matriarchal society).
    Or
    This is a very primitive society, where social gender roles are not well defined: not women dominating men but women dominating overgrown boys. This would explain why these societies do not survive beyond meeting societies of "real men." This is somewhat borne out by very primitive societies observable today (none of which look anything like Amazons).
    By the way, "Amazon" is the single worst term for warrior women. In Greek mythology they exist to be laughed at -- when Bellerophon defeats you, you're doing something wrong.

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel, @Chrisnonymous

    Yes, although there are a number of theories about the real-life inspiration for the Amazons, the mythology is quite explicit in portraying them as barbaric foils to heroic male warriors and Greek cultural values. Cue scolding revisionism from classicists like Donna Zuckerberg. I can see the title now. Woke Amazons Slayed Racist, Misogynist Ancient Greeks

  93. @Lot
    Kobach running for Kansas governor! YES!!!!

    http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article155063589.html

    Brownback has been so bad, he's is going to have an easy comparison. Next stop, 1600 Penn Ave, January 2021.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    That would be nice.

  94. @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @PiltdownMan

    It’s a little hard to tell from an old black and white picture, but perhaps, like Freddie Mercury decades later, Dadabhoy Nauroji, the Victorian era Parsi MP, passed for some type of swarthy Mediterranean white? Or perhaps it didn’t matter much back then, because the poc presence in Britain was near zero, and he was just a novelty?

  95. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    > Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Congratulations, you have passed the homosexuality test.

    • LOL: TWS
  96. @J.Ross
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term "Jewfu"). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)

    Replies: @Difference Maker, @guest, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Autochthon

    There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women

    I shall defer to your expertise.

    To repeat, Gadot is fine looking for a comic book Amazon warrior. Commenters (not you) complaining that she’s not suitably feminine perhaps don’t understand she was cast as the lead in a conventional superhero action movie. Casting a petite bombshell like Hayden Panettiere (for example) wouldn’t make any sense.

  97. @Zoodles
    I am in favour of Jews no longer being white. Once that is clarified, the statistics of power and wealth distribution in the english speaking world suddenly become much clearer.

    Replies: @Travis

    True, and many leading Universities would become majority non-White School overnight.

    current breakdown at Harvard.
    28% Jews, North Africans, Arabs, Middle Eastern and Persian.
    22% Asian
    21% White
    13% Black
    12% Hispanic
    3% Native American (probably mostly whites like Sen. Warren)

    probably many Jews will not self identify as being MENA. most Half Asians will identify as White when they apply to Harvard. I know a Korean adoptee who attended Penn, she identified as White to increase her chances of being accepted, and it worked

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Travis

    current breakdown at Harvard. 28% Jews, North Africans, Arabs, Middle Eastern and Persian.

    Unless 20% of the student body is Arab or Iranian, no.

    Replies: @Travis

  98. @syonredux
    From the Forward

    The whiteness of “Wonder Woman” doesn’t seem up for debate. And yet, some have decided to debate it. An argument has been bubbling underground on social media that Gal Gadot, who plays the title role, is actually a person of color. It was aired in full by Matthew Mueller at comicbook.com. “Gal Gadot is not actually Caucasian, but is in fact Israeli,” Mueller announces confidently. He then goes on to chastise POC critics for not recognizing her casting as triumph for diverse representation.

    Mueller doesn’t actually have much of an argument. He mentions a Times of Israel blog post which points to the history of Jewish oppression and waffles back and forth on whether Jews might be considered POC. But mostly Mueller just announces “Gadot is Israeli!” like a magician pulling a piece of lint out of a hat and trying to convince you it’s a rabbit.
     

    In this context, the best definition of white people is simply “people who are considered white.” Gadot’s nationality was not a secret; she wasn’t passing as something other than Israeli. Mueller is arguing that when people see Gadot as white, they are wrong. But being white is really just a matter of what people see you as. People know Gadot’s background; they simply see that background as consistent with whiteness —David Edelstein’s bizarrely exoticizing comment that Israeli women are “a breed unto themselves” notwithstanding. For that matter, in Israel itself, Gadot’s skin color and European background protect her from the kind of discrimination faced by Ethiopian Jews, other dark-skinned Jews, and Palestinians.

    Among those who see Gadot as white are the “Wonder Woman” filmmakers. Gadot is Jewish and Israeli, but — like the Jewish Scarlett Johansson — Hollywood perceives her in terms of unpsecified whiteness. In the film, Wonder Woman’s mother is played by Connie Nielsen, a white Danish actor. Wonder Woman as a young girl is played (in a show-stealing turn) by white actress Lilly Aspell. Gadot got the role as Wonder Woman precisely because she is seen as an appropriate actor to play a character who has traditionally been white.

     

    http://forward.com/culture/film-tv/373658/gal-gadots-wonder-woman-is-white-lets-not-pretend-otherwise/

    Replies: @Forbes

    The same folks that tell us race is a social construct, now inform us of this new (well, 21st century) category: person of color.

    I’m so pasty white, my skin tone is pink–does that make me a person of color? I look forward to affirmative action and the rest of the bag of gibmedats…

  99. @Marty
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

    Replies: @oddsbodkins, @syonredux, @Njguy73, @SteveRogers42

    > … the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history …

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.

    • Replies: @Njguy73
    @oddsbodkins


    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.
     
    Three words: The. Hot. Spot. 'Nuff said.
    , @fish
    @oddsbodkins


    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.
     
    Back in "Mulholland Falls" days when she still had her baby fat! She got a little ropey when she thinned out!
  100. @syonredux

    The Obama Administration sponsored a Census Bureau initiative to carve away part of its white category by creating a separate nonwhite racial category entitled Middle Eastern and North African, which would seemingly include Israelis like Gadot.
     
    Which, when you bear in mind where Gadot's family comes from, is kinda funny:

    Gal was born to a Jewish family in Israel. Her family were Jewish immigrants from Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Germany.
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/gal-gadot

    Replies: @Forbes, @International Jew, @MBlanc46

    Must be the Magic Dirt in Israel that transmuted her ethnic heritage into MENA, and a person of color.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Forbes

    "Must be the Magic Dirt in Israel that transmuted her ethnic heritage into MENA, and a person of color."

    Or a Magic Marker.

  101. @Opinionator
    @guest

    Or Carrie Fisher.

    There is a subset of Jews who are really into playing the victim.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Portman was awful in the prequels. (Everyone was awful, though, so you can’t blame only her.)

    It was depressing to see how bad Fisher looked in the ripoff (the first new one). I haven’t seen the newest new film – J.J. has made two so far, right?

    Fisher had an amusing cameo in Scream 3 as someone who looked an awful lot like … Carrie Fisher.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Stan Adams

    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn't even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it's called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don't even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one - Discovery, is it? - will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing - a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis - that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven't seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don't want to know. I don't want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There's at least one man who hasn't - me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I'm not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I'm merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor's The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie - and I'm no Randite, believe me. It's one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn't like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn't like the statuary. Vidor's Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery - icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper's long, hard drill - is only icing on the cake.



    There will never be another movie like Vidor's Fountainhead. Oh, there'll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won't have Cooper's wooden line deliveries, or Neal's ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it's anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it'll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There'll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there'll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They'll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he'll probably be a Brit, and he'll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won't have a mustache, and he won't be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won't be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren't that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant's Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from - and inferior to - the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie's cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don't hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn't seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn't dream of touching himself. He's a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together "in bed," she whispers the last two words as if they're some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character - it shows us that she's a gossip. (A certain kind of woman - an older busybody type - has always enjoyed whispering about other people's dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she's a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can't scream to save her life.

    Psycho '98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type "comedy" that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock's classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I'll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he's too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    "Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive," he'll say. "Why couldn't I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?"

    "Kid," I'll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, "that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything."

    We'll see.

    Replies: @guest, @Anonymous, @Bob Smith of Suburbia, @Kylie

    , @MEH 0910
    @Stan Adams


    J.J. has made two so far, right?

     

    J.J. Abrams has only made one (thank the Maker!). Rian Johnson has directed the next one coming out.
  102. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    Do a Google image search of “Gal Godot,” as I just did. Wanted to see for myself. Conclusion: Smoking hot.

    • Replies: @englishmike
    @Malcolm X-Lax


    Do a Google image search of “Gal Godot,” as I just did.
     
    I followed your advice. All I got was pics of Samuel Beckett and theatrical stuff.
    You don't believe me, do you?
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    If I were a more established commentor here, I would have LOL'd, because that's what I did.

  103. @Veritatis
    "I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?"

    Elizabeth Taylor? Winona Rider, Natalie Portman? Or Jennifer Aniston, Jessica Parker, Mila Kunis and many others I have no idea of? A lot of TV series would be my guess, plus the characters' names: Hannah, Zach, Zeke, Josh...

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Stan Adams, @guest, @Anonymous

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @Dave Pinsen

    I thought it was Courteney Cox's character Monica Geller who was Jewish.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Autochthon
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think people get confused not because her (most famous) rôle was Jewish, but because her nose is....

    , @Njguy73
    @Dave Pinsen


    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.
     
    FWIW, her soap-opera-star father was born in Greece.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Aniston
    , @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.
     
    Yep:

    Place of Birth: Sherman Oaks, Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 11, 1969

    Ethnicity:
    *Greek (father)
    *Scottish, Italian or Arbëreshë/Albanian, English, possibly Irish (mother)
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/jennifer-aniston

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  104. @J.Ross
    @guest

    William Blake Tyrrell has an excellent short book that lays out convincingly that the Athenian ruling class used them as a politically convenient and nakedly xenophobic metaphor for Persians. Apparently new discoveries emerged as soon as I lost interest in the topic, but when I followed it, there were two explanations:
    These are non-Greek ancient Eastern Europeans whose ruling class women sometimes took up arms (this is thoroughly evidenced but doesn't get you a viable matriarchal society).
    Or
    This is a very primitive society, where social gender roles are not well defined: not women dominating men but women dominating overgrown boys. This would explain why these societies do not survive beyond meeting societies of "real men." This is somewhat borne out by very primitive societies observable today (none of which look anything like Amazons).
    By the way, "Amazon" is the single worst term for warrior women. In Greek mythology they exist to be laughed at -- when Bellerophon defeats you, you're doing something wrong.

    Replies: @AnotherGuessModel, @Chrisnonymous

    I think it’s pretty clear that the Amazon myth was inspired by a community of former Olympic decathlon champions.

  105. @guest
    @biz

    Have *you* seen her body? Straight up and down, no T or A to speak of. Not as bad as it could be, because she has some curvature of the hips and her shoulders don't make her look like a linebacker.

    I don't feel good criticizing like this, but so long as people are holding her up as hot, something must be said. Beauty standards are sacred.

    By the way, I'd be happy if she were more masculine, given that she's playing an Amazon. She's too slight for the role. But I guess computers fix that.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Anon7, @Rod1963

    But I guess computers fix that.

    Please explain.

  106. Anonymous [AKA "NotWoke"] says:

    I’ve heard great things about the WW movie, but I’m so sick of the social justice warrior shtick that I’ll be unable to just relax and enjoy the movie.

    I don’t understand why everything in the world had to be a cry for social justice; especially since “justice” seems to mean “privileges for non-whites”.

  107. @syonredux

    I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked
     
    The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC. The Great and the Good want to say nice things about a female led-and-directed superhero film. I saw it yesterday ( Didn't pay; I theatre-hopped after watching Alien: Covenant ), and it's just OK. It's certainly nowhere near as enjoyable as The Dark Knight, Iron Man, or Captain America:The Winter Soldier.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Chrisnonymous, @European-American

    > The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC.

    That’s what I thought, à la Ghostbusters, which was mostly embarrassingly dumb, though it had a lot of talent: onto the outrageous fantasy of the original, you tack on the improbability of misfit women scientists and engineers acting like tough first responders, assisted by a wimpy and stupid but cute Thor — well, I gave it points for chutzpah anyway!

    So I expected Wonder Woman to be bad, for PC reasons and due to superhero fatigue: Doctor Strange ok, but Deadpool and that other “bad superheroes” film terrible in my book. So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable. Gal Gadot is luminous and works well with Chris Pine. Dialogue is sometimes very funny, action scenes are pretty cool (despite implausibility of those amazons as tough warriors at the start). And the message is not as dumb and tedious and childish as other superhero films: war is terrible, humans suck, grand principles fail, but humans are also capable of love and heroism and worth saving. And yes you can be a hot woman and still stand up for yourself and be admired not just for your hotness. Gal Gadot’s military and Israeli background may have helped make the movie more realistic: who you gonna believe about war: Gal Gadot or Scarlett Johansson?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @European-American


    So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable.
     
    Well, As I said upthread, I thought that it was OK. Not terrible (Catwoman , Suicide Squad). Not really good (Dark Knight, Iron Man). Just OK. And I can see how someone might like it more than I did.
    , @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    @European-American

    To heck with all that, all I want to know is, How many of them eee-vil Naht-zees did she kill?

  108. Gadot defies some of the stereotypes of women, especially as many Jewish women were portrayed on film as unattractive or the funny sidekick, said Emily Shire, politics editor at Bustle.

    Eh… Rachel Weisz, Scarlett Johansson? If Jewish women are seen as the sidekick, it’s because they’re so overrepresented in comedy. Roseanne Barr isn’t going to get a leading role as a siren.

  109. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @Stealth, @International Jew, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Anon7, @Chris Mallory, @Jay Fink, @Right wing Jew, @Marcus, @Robert Dunn

    LOL.

    Officially jumping ship would be a stupendously dumb idea.

    1. With so many powerful whites becoming folk of color overnight, Americans still wearing the scarlet W would immediately seem – and feel – a hell of a lot less privileged, and the social justice con would become less potent really fast.

    2. Jews would be alienating their greatest allies: white evangelicals and other pro-Israel Republicans.

    3. Now being on the outside, Jewish progressives would probably lose a lot of influence over their gentile counterparts.

    I’m sure this list could be embellished, but suffice it to say that such a move would be Bad For The Jews in many ways.

  110. Lynda Carter makes my pulse rise. This one doesn’t. I haven’t seen Wonder Woman yet, but she seemed mannish (physically and with the character) in the Superman movie.

  111. @biz
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that's after kids.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @Joe Walker, @Autochthon

    As guest remarks, this Gadot creature is built like a twelve-year-old Chinese boy wearing a padded bra. Wonder Woman was meant to personify feminine perfection, including feminine beauty, not to be a mannish bundle of bones and sinew. The casting from the time before the world list its damned mind to feminism and related mental illnesses is instructive, as are of course the original drawings in the comic books.

  112. @Dave Pinsen
    @Veritatis

    Jennifer Aniston isn't Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Autochthon, @Njguy73, @syonredux

    I thought it was Courteney Cox’s character Monica Geller who was Jewish.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Stealth

    Apparently, there's some debate about the kashrut levels of the characters: http://www.vulture.com/2014/12/friends-countdown-is-rachel-green-jewish.html

    Replies: @guest

  113. You narrative-wrecking again, Steve?

  114. It is quite astonishing how sites of the alledged “America First” right are so utterly silent on the 50’th anniversary of the murderous attack by Israel on the USS Liberty and the treasonous cover-up.

  115. “Not as pretty as Lynda Carter,” yeah but who is? Carter was one of those rare knockout Amazons who was actually a knockout. Lucy Lawless was similar, though not in Carter’s class.

  116. Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    She has a vaguely SE European look that makes that plausible.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Svigor

    Half Greek.

  117. Beautiful body, but her mind….

  118. I still don’t know why she dresses herself in a flag of the US in a peculiar cheerleader fashion.

    Because her concept and origin was as a female Captain-America type, for WWII comics. The rest is details that followed on. TL;DR version: she was literally invented to be a US cheerleader.

  119. @Arclight
    Seems to be a fair amount of commentary on the left where they are disappointed Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender...SJWs are just such miserably people they can't just sit back and enjoy a popcorn movie, they have to screech about how it doesn't put outliers in leading roles just to show they are as good/strong/smart as everyone else.

    Replies: @Truth, @Escher, @Autochthon

    I’ve noticed this particular tactic to move the goalposts by double-dipping: a passable (not especially unattractive, maybe even pleasant, but hardly gorgeous) woman such ad Gadot is targeted as being too perfect, glamourous, beautiful, and so on, and thus instead of the passable woman being realistic and average (as she is, whereas a truly stunning woman like Lynda Carter would have beauty and grace admittedly unattainable and not to be expected in the overwhelming majority of women…), now, in the perverted view espoused, a passable woman with an unremarkable figure becomes the Holy Grail of unattainable perfection, such that tubby or truly homely women are now meant to be what the average man should see as on his level.

    I see what they’ve done there. Clever bastards.

    Anecdotally, my wife is of course the most beautiful woman in the world to me (she is my wife!), but she is no Lynda Carter (I’m certainly no Ryan Gosling!). That said, because she is fit: she stands just under five feet tall and, not being obese, weighs just under ninety pounds. Yet all the wildebeests we casually encounter react as if she were an anorexic gymnast simply because she does not have a gut. This isn’t a humblebragging “my wife is hot, bro” point – she is no Marilyn Monroe. Rather, I’m emphasizing that I know from personal experience, day in and day out, that the average (i.e., obese, nowadays) person now thinks a woman with a healthy, normal weight is some kind of freakishly petite creature to behold. It’s astounding how quickly this deranged view has taken hold, if you only think about it and investigate the actual average heigjts and weights of people in, say, the 1950s (and probably even much later…).

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Autochthon

    They couldn't get away with pushing the idea that average men should pair up with homely women if men didn't go along with it....but do they ever.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    , @Kylie
    @Autochthon

    Congratulation to your wife on staying fit. Since she is under 5 feet tall, she should weigh under 100 pounds. If people can't compliment her, they should STFU instead of jumping to the erroneous conclusion that she suffers from an eating disorder.

    I'm 62, 5'7" tall, very small-boned and weigh 125 pounds. I'm very comfortable at this weight and while no athlete, stay active doing house and yard work and can still lock my knees and touch my toes. The chubbies I know who consider themselves "active" are always on the go. This means they drive from place to place and then sit when they get to where they're going. None of them are "active" doing any house or yard work

  120. @syonredux
    @Alfa158

    Emily Shire's actually a bit better looking than I would have guessed. She's no Lauren Bacall or Hedy Lamarr, though.


    https://twitter.com/bustle/status/740340157665021952

    Replies: @Autochthon

    I think it’s more just that the professional cosmetologists at Fox News are more skilled than whoever made her up (herself?) for the photograph at her blog.

  121. I think this ridicoulous Lynda Carter vs gal gadot debate (which honestly is just as stupid and insignificant as the should WW shave her armpits debate) can be pretty aptly summed as such- people who still have hair and hence aren’t prone to relentless nostalgia find Gadot better looking. Like everything these days it comes down to boomer nostalgia for the days when they weren’t bald

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @Sam Haysom

    Present day Gal Gadot is a little better looking than Linda Carter in her prime, I would say. Gadot is exceptionally good looking in my opinion. I don't know how anyone could deny it.

  122. Hedy Lamarr is a borderline Jew. The others are safe picks.

    http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=617

    • Replies: @Trelane
    @George

    Hedy Lamarr was not only beautiful, she was also highly intelligent. She invented a form of radio modulation called "frequency hopping" when she was only 28 years old. This is especially impressive since she had no training (formal or otherwise) in radio engineering and had left school as a teen to pursue an acting career in Berlin. Today, all of our advanced radio techiniques such as cell phones, wifi, satellites and blue tooth use this technology developed by Hedy. Frederick Emmons Terman must have been blown away by this chick. Howard Hughes offered her a job at his aircraft company and I don't blame him. According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Jack D, @Anonymous

  123. @Dave Pinsen
    @Veritatis

    Jennifer Aniston isn't Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Autochthon, @Njguy73, @syonredux

    I think people get confused not because her (most famous) rôle was Jewish, but because her nose is….

  124. @syonredux

    The Obama Administration sponsored a Census Bureau initiative to carve away part of its white category by creating a separate nonwhite racial category entitled Middle Eastern and North African, which would seemingly include Israelis like Gadot.
     
    Which, when you bear in mind where Gadot's family comes from, is kinda funny:

    Gal was born to a Jewish family in Israel. Her family were Jewish immigrants from Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Germany.
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/gal-gadot

    Replies: @Forbes, @International Jew, @MBlanc46

    I hate to further complicate matters, but Gadot’s children could qualify as Hispanic, on account of their father’s name, Varsano, which is Spanish-Jewish.

  125. @Escher
    @Arclight

    Maybe one of the leading ladies from the new "Ghostbusters" can take the role.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Unfortunately, I’ve already spent my one alloted LOL on this thread. So, LOL for your comment too.

  126. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    “Gal Gadot is not pretty” – You’re on crack. She’s beautiful.

  127. Yes, sexy Jewish women have been “in public life” forever. Steve mentioned Lauren Bacall. Yes!

    The brain is the largest sex organ. (And it’s Woody Allen’s second favorite.)

    Just imagine how much fun the men in Dr. Ruth Westheimer’s life have had:

    One of the “working girls” I’ve mentioned here before was a Jewish girl from Far Rockaway. That kind of public life crosses all lines.

  128. @JohnyD
    I think we can all agree that Gal Gadot is a much better looking woman than Caitlyn Jenner...

    Replies: @International Jew, @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    That comment would have gotten you pilloried in the first few heady months after Bruce/Kaitlin’s world-shaking announcement (a couple years ago already).

    But now that his TV show has bombed and even the freakish Kardashian clan is washing its hands of him, I guess you can get away with kicking him like that.

  129. @Dave Pinsen
    @Veritatis

    Jennifer Aniston isn't Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Autochthon, @Njguy73, @syonredux

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    FWIW, her soap-opera-star father was born in Greece.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Aniston

  130. @Brutusale
    @Jim Don Bob

    Google Images has a panoply of shots where Ms. Shire ranges from "It's late and I'm drunk" to "Not enough scotch has been distilled".

    Replies: @Man Hansome

    I know not of this lass but when I saw the photo my first thought was “perhaps after a six pack if there were no other prospects.”. Your Google suggestion was spot on. It is a modern version of what we referred to in my 1992 fraternity as the “Bjork Dilemma.”

  131. @anony-mouse
    Since we're talking about half-Jews and Lynda Carter:

    https://www.google.com/#q=lynda+carter+daughter

    Read it and weep.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @IHTG

    I don’t think anyone did not already ling since know Carter’s daughter was sired by Altman. I’m not sure why the fact should inspire weeping in any event. If every breeding of a gentile woman to a Jew were cause for unhinged wailing and gnashing of teeth, we’d all long since have lost our voices and be gumming mashed potatoes for every meal. Just like the Negroes, mestizos, and all the other hostile and parasitic peoples, taking the women of the targeted population is what Jews do. It’s what all such hostile peoples have done since time immemorial. The only difference is the targeted men used to react by fighting rather than cheering.

    Welcome to iSteve, if this basic truism of sociobiology excites you, you’re in for Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride if you stick around.

  132. @Mikey Darmody
    It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather..... Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @International Jew, @Moshe, @englishmike

    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women?

    In one limited, and amusing way, yes. The army has girls teach new recruits how to use weapons — rifles, tanks, etc. It’s done on purpose as it’s thought the boys pay closer attention that way (even in their usually sleep-deprived state).

    And that happened to be Gal Gadot’s role during her military service (according to Wikipedia).

    • Replies: @Mikey Darmody
    @International Jew

    Very interesting. Does it work?

    Replies: @International Jew

  133. @Sam Haysom
    I think this ridicoulous Lynda Carter vs gal gadot debate (which honestly is just as stupid and insignificant as the should WW shave her armpits debate) can be pretty aptly summed as such- people who still have hair and hence aren't prone to relentless nostalgia find Gadot better looking. Like everything these days it comes down to boomer nostalgia for the days when they weren't bald

    Replies: @Stealth

    Present day Gal Gadot is a little better looking than Linda Carter in her prime, I would say. Gadot is exceptionally good looking in my opinion. I don’t know how anyone could deny it.

  134. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @Stealth, @International Jew, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Anon7, @Chris Mallory, @Jay Fink, @Right wing Jew, @Marcus, @Robert Dunn

    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white

    For the record, I’m white. And when the “are we white” topic has come up, I’ve helpfully (nah, maliciously) suggested we ask a black person his opinion.

    • Replies: @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    @International Jew

    "For the record, I’m white."
    International Honorary White Jew. Only 'cos you're a jolly nice fellow. :)

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @Opinionator
    @International Jew

    Are Semites White?

    Replies: @syonredux, @biz, @L Woods

  135. @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    Who is? Circa 1975 Lynda Carter is about as a hot as it gets.

    But Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman was much more feminine than feminist. She looked like she never touched a dumbbell. And how many times did some bad guy get the drop on her with chloroform?

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @SteveRogers42

    Both the comic book and Lynda Carter TV show balanced out the feminist nature of the character by including some damsel-in-distress / BDSM-type scenarios. In fact, WW’s creator, William Moulton Marsten, was a noted BDSM enthusiast. In her original incarnation, Wonder Woman could be rendered powerless by having her hands bound by a man (!). Needless to say, I’m sure all these aspects have been dropped for this latest film, probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Interesting. Makes sense.

    , @European-American
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    > probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism

    More like harmless, humorous, and old-fashioned pro-woman jabs like this one:


    Etta Candy: I'm Steve Trevor's secretary.
    Diana Prince: What is a secretary?
    Etta Candy: I go where he tells me to go, I do what he tells me to do.
    Diana Prince: Where we come from, that's called slavery.
    Etta Candy: I like her!
     
    Anyone who has been or who knows a secretary will at least giggle at that one.
    , @res
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    This was discussed on iSteve last month: https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-butt-kicking-babe-movies-empower-young-girls/#comment-1866364
    But given the overall tone of this thread this seems worth including: http://comicsalliance.com/golden-age-wonder-woman-kink-gallery/

  136. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

  137. @International Jew
    @Mikey Darmody


    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women?
     
    In one limited, and amusing way, yes. The army has girls teach new recruits how to use weapons — rifles, tanks, etc. It's done on purpose as it's thought the boys pay closer attention that way (even in their usually sleep-deprived state).

    And that happened to be Gal Gadot's role during her military service (according to Wikipedia).

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody

    Very interesting. Does it work?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Mikey Darmody

    It wouldn't have worked on my 18-year-old self; the instructor could be teaching me how to strip my rifle but my mind would be undressing her.

  138. From the trailer it looks like a little Puerto Rican girl wins WW1.
    Bet the one million plus (all male) casualties of the Battle of the Somme might have something to say about that. Oh yeah right, they’re dead; and we’re left with a little Puerto Rican girl. Yay.
    Of course comic books were always vehicles of Jewish wish fulfillment.
    They stuck RWB all over everything so America would be cool with that. Don’t need that schtick any more though – am I right?

    • Agree: Autochthon
  139. @Dave Pinsen
    @Charles Pewitt

    She was spectacularly beautiful.

    But one of the conceits of her '70s Wonder Woman was that she was supposed to be plain-looking as an Army secretary.

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @TWS, @bored identity

    She was awesome, but the show was unbelievably bad. Amazon had a good deal on the DVDs about 12 years ago and I had the misfortune to watch the entire series again after so many years. It was a lot more fun when I was a kid. Ugh.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    I'm not sure it's fair to call a campy, fun, '70s TV series bad. It's going to look dated from today's vantage, but that's not the same thing as it being bad.

    , @Truth
    @Judah Benjamin Hur


    the show was unbelievably bad.... I... watch the entire series again...

     

    Must have been terrible.
  140. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @Stealth, @International Jew, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Anon7, @Chris Mallory, @Jay Fink, @Right wing Jew, @Marcus, @Robert Dunn

    There are some ridiculous Jews and then there are people like you who convince them that they’re sane. Congratulations.

  141. @J.Ross
    Two items.

    To Steve's point, back when Al Franken first ran against Norm Coleman for the Senate seat representing Minnesota, which had been made famous by the late lamented Paul Wellstone, a Jewish blog (which no longer exists) plaintively wondered whether those dumb flyover rednecks in Saskatcheconsin or whatever it's called could bring themselves to Elect whom God had Chosen. Some impolite wag asked how the blogger could type such a thing given that all of the people involved, elected, defeated, or assassinated, were obviously Jewish. A few hours last that blog post was removed without explanation. But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.
    "Oh sure, I see how it is -- all of you want me to move to DC!"

    Second point, the creepy one: Is the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot a refutation to my creepy Law that "phenotypically Jewish girls are gorgeous, but nobody hates them worse than Hollywood or Israeli public relations?" Gadot has something of a history in Israeli public relations, and her perfectly balanced pleasant-mousiness is definitely a plus in attracting, or not offending, female audiences: would these same "body positive" audiences embrace a modern day young Lynda Carter? Maybe this is a refutation of the Law, but it does not mean that we have the true total freedom of casting, which we will possibly see in our lifetimes once Hollywood finally dies.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Karl

    Gadot is 100% Ashkenazi and not the least bit “Arabish”. If she were French or Spanish or Italian (and she could pass for any of them) no one would accuse her of being “Arabish”.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    I was repeating what another commenter said about her appearance and saying absolutely nothing about her ancestry.

    , @Opinionator
    @Jack D

    Aren't Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?

    Replies: @syonredux, @Pericles

  142. @J.Ross
    @Mikey Darmody

    >do Israelis fetishize their military women

    Prior to this, Gadot was famously in a pin-up campaign organized by the Israeli government, that was exposed as favoring Israeli women who were already established as professional models and who had not served in the military. Following that and with the benefit of Instagram, there are regular astroturf propaganda campaigns with photos of actual serving IDF chicks, often in auhentic-looking uniforms or photographed "spontaneously." They consistently look much better than the professional models.
    There's a "Norwegian" guy that posted the same set every night at /pol/ for about three months.
    Israeli military amazons have been dramatically talked-up and exaggerated in more recent movies, notably a Predator sequel that featuring an "Israeli jungle warfare specialist" (let that sink in), and the foundational text here is an old eighties flick titled "This Is The Army, Girls," which has a wrestling-training scene and a CFMN scene.
    And of course Israelis deny this in the US press but they have always been intensely aware that their main enemy is literally "afraid of girls." There are stories about female IDF soldiers publicly humiliating old Arab men without provocation, basically for the amusement of their male comrades (or their own).

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody

    I suppose it is a good recruitment tactic, probably better than the Western style of touting the economic benefits of military service. It would be best to recruit young men by appealing to love of country and desire for glory. However, America may be too debased to hold up as an object of devotion.
    This talk of lady soldiers hearkens back to the Nietzsche thread. He recognized how cruel women can be. Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense. A great play that is proto-Nietzschean and aware of the feminine nature of cruelty and madness is the Bacchae by Euripides:
    “They did attack our herds: you could have seen a woman pull a calf to pieces as it bellowed alive in her bare hands!”

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Mikey Darmody

    "Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense."

    It's a pity Kipling's poems aren't taught in schools any more. "The Female Of The Species", "The Vampyre", "Gods Of The Copybook Headings" and "The Stranger Within My Gate" are almost the complete guide - and warning - to the way we live now.

    Replies: @syonredux

  143. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Gadot is 100% Ashkenazi and not the least bit "Arabish". If she were French or Spanish or Italian (and she could pass for any of them) no one would accuse her of being "Arabish".

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Opinionator

    I was repeating what another commenter said about her appearance and saying absolutely nothing about her ancestry.

  144. @JohnyD
    I think we can all agree that Gal Gadot is a much better looking woman than Caitlyn Jenner...

    Replies: @International Jew, @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    Yeah…but Caitlyn would kick her ass.

  145. @syonredux
    @syonredux

    One thing that really stood out to me regarding Wonder Woman is just how derivative it is. It's Captain America: The First Avenger mixed with the fish-out-of-water stuff from Thor. I suppose that they thought that setting the action in WWI (as opposed to WWII) would keep people from noticing....

    Replies: @justwonderingaboutbaseball, @Oleaginous Outrager

    This.

    None of these are good movies but Thor was more fun as it has a more charismatic lead who can approximate being an actor in a scene (Gadot couldn’t even pull off the right mugging expressions) as well as a wonderfully hammy Asgardian pseudo-shakespeare cast&story. It is also half an hour shorter than Wonder Woman.


    Captain American: The First Avenger
    can get away with a lot because, again, Chris Evans has great screen presence and it was well paced and snappy. It also helps that WWII is so well-trodden and mythologized that you can almost ignore how superficial they treat the period or the narrative itself.

    In contrast, Wonder Woman is wounded by how cartoonishly it treats WWI and its story- especially as the plot revolves around the character struggling to sympathize with humans in a war-torn world. All I took away from it was Diana switched capriciously between pitying and being amused by humans and their miseries of war.

    There are a multitude of problems with this film– including the poor directing — and it is perplexing what so many people see in this movie.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @justwonderingaboutbaseball


    None of these are good movies but Thor was more fun as it has a more charismatic lead who can approximate being an actor in a scene (Gadot couldn’t even pull off the right mugging expressions)
     
    God, yes. Her acting was really bad. She was outshone by Chris Pine in all their scenes together.
  146. @guest
    @biz

    Have *you* seen her body? Straight up and down, no T or A to speak of. Not as bad as it could be, because she has some curvature of the hips and her shoulders don't make her look like a linebacker.

    I don't feel good criticizing like this, but so long as people are holding her up as hot, something must be said. Beauty standards are sacred.

    By the way, I'd be happy if she were more masculine, given that she's playing an Amazon. She's too slight for the role. But I guess computers fix that.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Anon7, @Rod1963

    You have no idea. Gadot was very pregnant during much of filming. She would carry it well (she’s 5’10”), but she wore a triangle of green cloth over the bump; her figure was filled in (or subtracted) in post-production.

  147. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @Stealth, @International Jew, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Anon7, @Chris Mallory, @Jay Fink, @Right wing Jew, @Marcus, @Robert Dunn

    Her ancestry is Polish-Jewish, Austrian-Jewish, German-Jewish, and Czech-Jewish.

  148. The Master List of Comely Jewesses really ought to include Melanie Laurent, Bar Rafaeli, Eva Green (despite being a little odd looking), Rachel Riley, Winona Ryder, and, in her prime, Phoebe Cates. That last one almost makes me want to welcome our new Judeo-Asian overlords.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Mikey Darmody


    Eva Green (despite being a little odd looking), Rachel Riley, Winona Ryder, and, in her prime, Phoebe Cates. That last one almost makes me want to welcome our new Judeo-Asian overlords.
     

    Eva Green

    Ethnicity: Swedish-French-Breton, Sephardi Jewish
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/eva-green

    Birth Name: Phoebe Belle Cates

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: July 16, 1963

    Ethnicity:
    *75% Ashkenazi Jewish
    *25% Chinese
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/phoebe-cates

    There are also some doubts as to Winona Ryder's ancestry on her mother's side:

    Birth Name: Winona Horowitz

    Place of Birth: Olmsted County, Minnesota, USA

    Date of Birth: October 29, 1971

    Ethnicity:
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (father)
    *possibly Belgian (mother)
     

    Her father is Jewish (his family immigrated from Russia and Romania). Her mother’s maiden name, Istas, is often found in Belgium.
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/winona-ryder
  149. @syonredux
    Some of the critical pieces on the film are a tad....revealing....

    I did not expect to cry during “Wonder Woman.”

    Specifically, I did not expect to tear up during the fight scenes. OK, maybe if Gal Gadot’s Diana, Amazon princess, had given some terrific speech, or if a character I liked had died, but I certainly did not expect to get all misty eyed during the battle scenes.

    But that’s exactly what happened; when Wonder Woman started fighting, out came the waterworks.

    It started on the beach, when Gen. Antiope (Robin Wright) rode into battle with a smile and Queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) leaped off her horse, spinning into the air to wipe out two armed men with her sword. As the battle raged on, it became clear that the scene was not window-dressing, 10 seconds of Amazon showtime before the real movie started. This was the movie — female warriors kicking ass.

    They were fierce and powerful, highly trained soldiers who knew what they were doing, and the film took that, and them, seriously. It was overwhelming.
     

    I felt like I was discovering something I didn’t even know I had always wanted. A need that I had boxed up and buried deep after three movies of Iron Man punching bad guys in the face, three more movies of Captain America punching bad guys in the face, a movie about Superman and Batman punching each other in the face and then “Suicide Squad.”

    Witnessing a woman hold the field, and the camera, for that long blew open an arguably monotonous genre. We didn’t need a computer-generated tree or a sassy raccoon to change the superhero game; what we needed was a woman.

     

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Harry Baldwin, @AnotherDad

    And she looks like someone who would write crap like this!

  150. Although Israeli women are supposedly able to perform pretty much any job in the military, in practice they aren’t in combat. Wikipedia says 600 women have died in wars since 1947, but 20,000 men have been killed, so that doesn’t sound equal to me. There are several army units that are mostly female, but they guard the Egypt/Israel border, with whom they have a treaty (and I think a wall).

  151. What is “white”? Arabs are in fact classified as Caucasian, and Semites. Are they Caucasian but not white? Jews from the Levant are Semites, and therefore Caucasian, while Jews from the diaspora are one-half European and one-half Semite. Semi-white Semite?

  152. Linda Carter was very voluptuous and her body type would not be able to move like the current Wonder Woman. It also doesn’t help that Carter’s WW had high heels.

    That aside, has anyone noticed that Wonder Woman is Diana, Princess of “The Mascara”?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @map


    That aside, has anyone noticed that Wonder Woman is Diana, Princess of “The Mascara”?
     
    Themiscyra
  153. Can we have more Nietzsche stuff?

  154. @guest
    @biz

    Have *you* seen her body? Straight up and down, no T or A to speak of. Not as bad as it could be, because she has some curvature of the hips and her shoulders don't make her look like a linebacker.

    I don't feel good criticizing like this, but so long as people are holding her up as hot, something must be said. Beauty standards are sacred.

    By the way, I'd be happy if she were more masculine, given that she's playing an Amazon. She's too slight for the role. But I guess computers fix that.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Anon7, @Rod1963

    I agree no T or A.

    Nor really hot unless you’re into skinny, frail fashion models.
    ook

  155. Seinfeld in his Comedians in Cars getting Coffee series repeatedly refers to himself as White.

  156. @Veritatis
    "I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?"

    Elizabeth Taylor? Winona Rider, Natalie Portman? Or Jennifer Aniston, Jessica Parker, Mila Kunis and many others I have no idea of? A lot of TV series would be my guess, plus the characters' names: Hannah, Zach, Zeke, Josh...

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Stan Adams, @guest, @Anonymous

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Stan Adams

    So what.

    Replies: @guest

  157. @Dave Pinsen
    @Veritatis

    Jennifer Aniston isn't Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Autochthon, @Njguy73, @syonredux

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    Yep:

    Place of Birth: Sherman Oaks, Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 11, 1969

    Ethnicity:
    *Greek (father)
    *Scottish, Italian or Arbëreshë/Albanian, English, possibly Irish (mother)

    http://ethnicelebs.com/jennifer-aniston

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    Her father was (is?) a famous soap opera actor.

  158. @Chrisnonymous
    @syonredux

    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that's not a good endorsement.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @SteveRogers42

    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that’s not a good endorsement.

    I rather enjoyed it.Good action scenes, plus a critique of Obama’s assassination-by-drone foreign policy. I also liked Robert Redford essentially playing a variation on Cliff Robertson’s part in Three Days of the Condor.

  159. @Veritatis
    "I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?"

    Elizabeth Taylor? Winona Rider, Natalie Portman? Or Jennifer Aniston, Jessica Parker, Mila Kunis and many others I have no idea of? A lot of TV series would be my guess, plus the characters' names: Hannah, Zach, Zeke, Josh...

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Stan Adams, @guest, @Anonymous

    Elizabeth Taylor was a convert, for what it’s worth. Plus, all those names you mention are probably better looking than the author, so they don’t count.

  160. @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.
     
    Yep:

    Place of Birth: Sherman Oaks, Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 11, 1969

    Ethnicity:
    *Greek (father)
    *Scottish, Italian or Arbëreshë/Albanian, English, possibly Irish (mother)
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/jennifer-aniston

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Her father was (is?) a famous soap opera actor.

  161. I remember when this country had a serious and worthy middle-brow culture, before it was all replaced by f**king comic-books.

  162. @International Jew
    @neutral


    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white
     
    For the record, I'm white. And when the "are we white" topic has come up, I've helpfully (nah, maliciously) suggested we ask a black person his opinion.

    Replies: @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever..., @Opinionator

    “For the record, I’m white.”
    International Honorary White Jew. Only ‘cos you’re a jolly nice fellow. 🙂

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...

    I don't think I like that "compliment". If your idea of "white" means northwest European then I'm not that and don't particularly wish to be. But I don't see that as a sensible definition. You surely don't want to define yourself apart from the ancient Greeks and Romans.

  163. @fish
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    She reminds me a bit of Michelle Jenneke but prettier. Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!

    Replies: @Truth, @Desiderius

    My thought as well.

  164. @J.Ross
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term "Jewfu"). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)

    Replies: @Difference Maker, @guest, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Autochthon

    It’s Kat Dennings v. Milana “AT&T&A” Vayntru in a dead heat for the Most Beautiful Jewess in the World…or at least Hollywood (although Vayntrub’s values are apparently hideous…but what do you expect from one of the Parasite People…).

    Speaking of goofy propaganda about Jews and beauty in stupid comic-book movies: The idea that Thor was utterly beguiled by Portman’s Jane whilst Kat Dennings’ character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief, even in a film about superheroes. Although both actresses are Jewesses, so in this case it was clearly a matter of Portman’s greater star-power or whatever (not that Portman is unattractive; she’s just no Kat Dennings…).

    • Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown
    @Autochthon


    Kat Dennings
     
    Come to think of it, the first thing I did after seeing Thor (2011) was hit up IMDB.com to identify the sexy high-contrast brunette who played Natalie Portman's quirky friend.

    whilst Kat Dennings’ character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief
     
    IIRC, during said bemoaning, she was practically knocking over set pieces with her cans.
    ***sigh***
    Regardless, that sitcom she's on now is terrible. I have a hard time looking away, but the writing is really, really bad.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    , @guest
    @Autochthon

    Kat Dennings has an underwhelming to slightly off-putting face for my taste, but I too have been struck by the oddness of her status in Hollywood. Being in the "less attractive friend" role makes some sense, if she's going to be a comedic actress, which I guess she is, and if she doesn't look like a leading lady, which she doesn't. (Notvthat what passes for a leading lady is up to traditional standards of beauty.) But they should at least acknowledge that she's attractive, aside from joking about her oversized boobs.

    Even when she played the romantic lead in one movie, she was stuck circling a definitely un-alpha loser and ended up with an at best middle of the roader. The whole time I'm thinking why aren't more guys hitting on her? You can't pass her off in the Kristen Stewart everygirl role.

    The AT&T&A girl has been miscast, too. You can't tell what kind of body she has in those commercials. I required a dozen viewings before I noticed her rack. Then I saw her in a primetime soap, and she was playing the geeky second-fiddle love interest. Why? At least on Silicon Valley she was a sexpot, though she was part of a weird Satanic church.

  165. @Forbes
    @syonredux

    Must be the Magic Dirt in Israel that transmuted her ethnic heritage into MENA, and a person of color.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “Must be the Magic Dirt in Israel that transmuted her ethnic heritage into MENA, and a person of color.”

    Or a Magic Marker.

  166. @Altai
    My biggest problem with this film is one of tension. Can Wonder Woman take a bullet or not? In BVSM she got knocked around in a way that would make it seem like she is effectively bullet-proof, but in this film she has to block every shot. Weirdly the German soldiers play along and never try to shoot her anywhere but her gauntlets or shield, or when she pauses in the open for dramatic effect. Granted this is a problem for all these movies, but with only one character to focus on, you'd think they'd get it straight what her limits are.

    Others have pointed out that she does well enough in the comedic scenes and action scenes but doesn't quite have the screen presence to draw you in and make you care about the character. She seems more like a plot device. I think a lot of people wanted Jamie Alexander to be Wonder Woman when this was announced and I think that would have been a good choice, she looks more like the character and is a better actress and is highly charismatic.

    The overall quality and innovativeness of the film (The god of war is inducing the Great War, we have to stop him sabotaging the peace negotiations, but we still get to kill a bunch of German conscripts as if they were Nazis anyway.) kept it going along.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Jaime Alexander: 5/10. Would not bang.

  167. @CAL
    Best description I heard for the film is that it is a mediocre Marvel film. That in itself means (excluding the recent Batman films) it's a step up for DC.

    Oh no, Wonder Woman is played by a white woman just like she has always been played by a white woman. The fanboys are fine with that because it fits the role. Meanwhile the SJW grrrlll power reaction is plain stupid. Madness has gripped a certain portion of the world.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @Dave Pinsen

    Which one do you think is supposed to be the lesbian?

    , @Njguy73
    @Dave Pinsen

    Then nobody's Wonder Woman.

    To me, The Incredibles is the best superhero movie ever. I say it should have won Best Picture in 2004.

  168. @Marty
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

    Replies: @oddsbodkins, @syonredux, @Njguy73, @SteveRogers42

    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

    Half-Jewish:

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, United States

    Date of Birth: August 10, 1959

    Ethnicity:
    *English, French-Canadian, Swiss-German, German, Scottish, Irish, Welsh (father)
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (mother)

    Here’s Rosanna’s sister’s ancestry results:

    *48.5% Ashkenazi
    *36.6% British & Irish
    *0.2% French & German
    *0.1% Finnish
    *11.3% Broadly Northern European
    *1.0% Broadly Southern European
    *2.1% Broadly European

    http://ethnicelebs.com/rosanna-arquette

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    And 1/2 the Ashkenazi is Roman, so really she's just 24.25% jewish.

    Replies: @Been1

  169. @Chrisnonymous
    @syonredux

    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that's not a good endorsement.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @SteveRogers42

    It bored me too.

    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can’t die, and many times, neither can their enemies.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can’t die,
     
    Neither can James Bond. Or Philip Marlowe. Or Travis McGee.

    and many times, neither can their enemies.
     
    Winter Soldier was a bit of an exception . Redford's character died. And stayed dead.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @snorlax
    @Dave Pinsen

    You can usually bet on the protagonist not dying even in non-franchise films. It's the rare exception (*spoilers* obviously) — Game of Thrones, No Country for Old Men — where they do.

  170. @anony-mouse
    Since we're talking about half-Jews and Lynda Carter:

    https://www.google.com/#q=lynda+carter+daughter

    Read it and weep.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @IHTG

    Lynda Carter’s husband is the CEO of videogame publisher Zenimax (the shell company that owns Bethesda Softworks) and a total sleazeball. But I repeat myself.

    Fun fact: President Trump’s younger brother Robert is on his board of directors.

  171. @advancedatheist
    @syonredux

    "the roots of the superhero lie in things like Philip Wylie's Gladiator (the true source for Superman; forget all that crap about Moses), Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, John Carter, and The Shadow, not in Shtetl folktales."

    Not to mention Doc Savage, who had a hideaway in the far North called the Fortress of Solitude, well before Superman's.

    BTW, I tried to read a Doc Savage story, "The Polar Treasure." Really bad writing, and I can see why it has resisted efforts to revive the franchise. It violated principles of good story-telling by showing Savage the master of every situation, where he could pull arbitrary abilities out of thin air to solve every problem, including knowing how to speak obscure Eskimo dialects.

    Replies: @syonredux, @SteveRogers42

    BTW, I tried to read a Doc Savage story, “The Polar Treasure.” Really bad writing, and I can see why it has resisted efforts to revive the franchise. It violated principles of good story-telling by showing Savage the master of every situation, where he could pull arbitrary abilities out of thin air to solve every problem, including knowing how to speak obscure Eskimo dialects.

    When I was 10, I went through a pulp hero phase, my interest having been jump-started by reading Philip Jose Farmer’s glorious spoof biographies, Tarzan Alive and Doc Savage: His Apocalyptic Life. Despite enjoying Farmer’s mock bio, I simply could not get into Doc. Even for a 10-year old boy, the writing was simply atrocious. The Shadow was by far my favorite pulp hero. I read all 23 of the Pyramid reprints of the Shadow novels. They also had great cover art by Jim Steranko.

  172. @Stealth
    @Dave Pinsen

    I thought it was Courteney Cox's character Monica Geller who was Jewish.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Apparently, there’s some debate about the kashrut levels of the characters: http://www.vulture.com/2014/12/friends-countdown-is-rachel-green-jewish.html

    • Replies: @guest
    @Dave Pinsen

    We assume Rachel is Jewish because her name is Rachel Green, she went to school and was friends with the definitely Jewish Gellars growing up, she acts like a Jewish Princess, her father is a doctor, and many other reasons. But I don't think we ever get confirmation.

  173. @Svigor

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.
     
    She has a vaguely SE European look that makes that plausible.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Half Greek.

  174. @guest
    @George

    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn't necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Difference Maker, @syonredux, @EH, @SteveRogers42

    Herodotus made them out to be Turkish,

    He placed them in Anatolia. No Turks in Anatolia back then.

    as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    Libya. Other myths placed them in Ukraine, the Caucasus, Albania, etc.

    • Replies: @guest
    @syonredux

    I didn't mean modern ethnic Turks. I just meant in the region that is now Turkey, which means they weren't Greek. (Unless they colonized it.)

    Replies: @George

  175. @Charles Pewitt
    Lynda Carter Is Beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/RealLyndaCarter/status/834780320708837377

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Rifleman, @Neoconned, @Father O'Hara, @William Badwhite, @Robert Dunn

    Now the important question is – Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Carter

    Carter was born in Phoenix, Arizona, the daughter of Juanita (née Córdova) and Colby Carter.

    Her father is of English and Scots-Irish ancestry, and her mother, whose family hailed from Mexico, is of Mexican, Spanish and French descent

    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bach

    Bach was born in Warren, Ohio, the daughter of Norma Jean Kucera (née Verdugo), an acupuncturist, and Bernard Bachman, a rancher.

    Her mother was of Mexican descent and her father was of German ancestry.

    Or Raquel Welch?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch

    Welch was born as Jo-Raquel Tejada on September 5, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois.

    Her father, Armando Carlos Tejada Urquizo (1911–1976), was an aeronautical engineer from La Paz, Bolivia, born to Agustin Tejada and Raquel Urquizo; Welch was named after her paternal grandmother.

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Rifleman

    Since some Mexicans are entirely White-most Spaniards, but a few Poles, Czechs and Germans and a smattering of Mennonites-"Mexican" descent is absolute proof of nothing.

    Bach to me seems entirely white whereas Welch looks a little, but very little mestiza. I'd categorize the (once) very fine singers Linda Ronstadt and Vikki Carr as "light mestizas". I'd be the first to say my eye for these things is not world class, though.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @englishmike
    @Rifleman


    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

     

    I'm afraid you rather lost me at the end. Who, or what, "dated back to the Mayflower"?
    , @Gunnar von Cowtown
    @Rifleman


    Now the important question is – Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?
    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.
    Or Raquel Welch?
     
    Based on phenotype? Absolutely.
    Based on genotype? White enough.

    All three are cordially invited to reside in any future Hyperborean ethno-state over which I may rule. Just sayin'.
  176. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    It bored me too.

    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can't die, and many times, neither can their enemies.

    Replies: @syonredux, @snorlax

    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can’t die,

    Neither can James Bond. Or Philip Marlowe. Or Travis McGee.

    and many times, neither can their enemies.

    Winter Soldier was a bit of an exception . Redford’s character died. And stayed dead.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    James Bond movies suffer from the same problem, though the old ones dealt with it in campy fashion.

    Why not just make superhero musicals? Spider-Man the musical wasn't bad.

    Replies: @syonredux

  177. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Dave Pinsen

    She was awesome, but the show was unbelievably bad. Amazon had a good deal on the DVDs about 12 years ago and I had the misfortune to watch the entire series again after so many years. It was a lot more fun when I was a kid. Ugh.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Truth

    I’m not sure it’s fair to call a campy, fun, ’70s TV series bad. It’s going to look dated from today’s vantage, but that’s not the same thing as it being bad.

  178. @map
    Linda Carter was very voluptuous and her body type would not be able to move like the current Wonder Woman. It also doesn't help that Carter's WW had high heels.

    That aside, has anyone noticed that Wonder Woman is Diana, Princess of "The Mascara"?

    Replies: @syonredux

    That aside, has anyone noticed that Wonder Woman is Diana, Princess of “The Mascara”?

    Themiscyra

  179. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Dave Pinsen

    She was awesome, but the show was unbelievably bad. Amazon had a good deal on the DVDs about 12 years ago and I had the misfortune to watch the entire series again after so many years. It was a lot more fun when I was a kid. Ugh.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Truth

    the show was unbelievably bad…. I… watch the entire series again…

    Must have been terrible.

  180. @Mikey Darmody
    The Master List of Comely Jewesses really ought to include Melanie Laurent, Bar Rafaeli, Eva Green (despite being a little odd looking), Rachel Riley, Winona Ryder, and, in her prime, Phoebe Cates. That last one almost makes me want to welcome our new Judeo-Asian overlords.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Eva Green (despite being a little odd looking), Rachel Riley, Winona Ryder, and, in her prime, Phoebe Cates. That last one almost makes me want to welcome our new Judeo-Asian overlords.

    Eva Green

    Ethnicity: Swedish-French-Breton, Sephardi Jewish

    http://ethnicelebs.com/eva-green

    Birth Name: Phoebe Belle Cates

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: July 16, 1963

    Ethnicity:
    *75% Ashkenazi Jewish
    *25% Chinese

    http://ethnicelebs.com/phoebe-cates

    There are also some doubts as to Winona Ryder’s ancestry on her mother’s side:

    Birth Name: Winona Horowitz

    Place of Birth: Olmsted County, Minnesota, USA

    Date of Birth: October 29, 1971

    Ethnicity:
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (father)
    *possibly Belgian (mother)

    Her father is Jewish (his family immigrated from Russia and Romania). Her mother’s maiden name, Istas, is often found in Belgium.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/winona-ryder

  181. @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    @syonredux

    This.

    None of these are good movies but Thor was more fun as it has a more charismatic lead who can approximate being an actor in a scene (Gadot couldn't even pull off the right mugging expressions) as well as a wonderfully hammy Asgardian pseudo-shakespeare cast&story. It is also half an hour shorter than Wonder Woman.


    Captain American: The First Avenger
    can get away with a lot because, again, Chris Evans has great screen presence and it was well paced and snappy. It also helps that WWII is so well-trodden and mythologized that you can almost ignore how superficial they treat the period or the narrative itself.

    In contrast, Wonder Woman is wounded by how cartoonishly it treats WWI and its story- especially as the plot revolves around the character struggling to sympathize with humans in a war-torn world. All I took away from it was Diana switched capriciously between pitying and being amused by humans and their miseries of war.

    There are a multitude of problems with this film-- including the poor directing -- and it is perplexing what so many people see in this movie.

    Replies: @syonredux

    None of these are good movies but Thor was more fun as it has a more charismatic lead who can approximate being an actor in a scene (Gadot couldn’t even pull off the right mugging expressions)

    God, yes. Her acting was really bad. She was outshone by Chris Pine in all their scenes together.

  182. @European-American
    @syonredux

    > The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC.

    That's what I thought, à la Ghostbusters, which was mostly embarrassingly dumb, though it had a lot of talent: onto the outrageous fantasy of the original, you tack on the improbability of misfit women scientists and engineers acting like tough first responders, assisted by a wimpy and stupid but cute Thor -- well, I gave it points for chutzpah anyway!

    So I expected Wonder Woman to be bad, for PC reasons and due to superhero fatigue: Doctor Strange ok, but Deadpool and that other "bad superheroes" film terrible in my book. So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable. Gal Gadot is luminous and works well with Chris Pine. Dialogue is sometimes very funny, action scenes are pretty cool (despite implausibility of those amazons as tough warriors at the start). And the message is not as dumb and tedious and childish as other superhero films: war is terrible, humans suck, grand principles fail, but humans are also capable of love and heroism and worth saving. And yes you can be a hot woman and still stand up for yourself and be admired not just for your hotness. Gal Gadot's military and Israeli background may have helped make the movie more realistic: who you gonna believe about war: Gal Gadot or Scarlett Johansson?

    Replies: @syonredux, @Bob Smith of Suburbia

    So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable.

    Well, As I said upthread, I thought that it was OK. Not terrible (Catwoman , Suicide Squad). Not really good (Dark Knight, Iron Man). Just OK. And I can see how someone might like it more than I did.

  183. @Marty
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

    Replies: @oddsbodkins, @syonredux, @Njguy73, @SteveRogers42

    the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette

    Rosanna isn’t even the sexiest Arquette sister.

  184. P.S. Maybe this is just me, but – Peggy Lipton.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @IHTG

    She's on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.

    Replies: @syonredux

  185. @oddsbodkins
    @Marty

    > ... the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history ...

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.

    Replies: @Njguy73, @fish

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.

    Three words: The. Hot. Spot. ‘Nuff said.

  186. @guest
    @Charles Pewitt

    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @AnotherGuessModel, @Truth, @TWS, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Sharp knees too. Hideous. No man could hit that.

  187. “Jewish women were portrayed on film as unattractive”

    Yer, like Eva Green, who has probably done more sex and nudity scenes than any other actress on film and TV. She basically a classically trained adult actress. And Rachel Weiss and Natalie Portman are hardly portrayed as nerdy Jewish wallflowers either.

  188. @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can’t die,
     
    Neither can James Bond. Or Philip Marlowe. Or Travis McGee.

    and many times, neither can their enemies.
     
    Winter Soldier was a bit of an exception . Redford's character died. And stayed dead.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    James Bond movies suffer from the same problem, though the old ones dealt with it in campy fashion.

    Why not just make superhero musicals? Spider-Man the musical wasn’t bad.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    James Bond movies suffer from the same problem, though the old ones dealt with it in campy fashion.

     

    You can also add Indiana Jones, Simon Templar, Bulldog Drummond, Tarzan, ....

    Why not just make superhero musicals? Spider-Man the musical wasn’t bad.
     
    I liked the musical number in Captain America: The First Avenger:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i574Em3IrI

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  189. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Dave Pinsen

    Both the comic book and Lynda Carter TV show balanced out the feminist nature of the character by including some damsel-in-distress / BDSM-type scenarios. In fact, WW's creator, William Moulton Marsten, was a noted BDSM enthusiast. In her original incarnation, Wonder Woman could be rendered powerless by having her hands bound by a man (!). Needless to say, I'm sure all these aspects have been dropped for this latest film, probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @European-American, @res

    Interesting. Makes sense.

  190. @Dave Pinsen
    @Stealth

    Apparently, there's some debate about the kashrut levels of the characters: http://www.vulture.com/2014/12/friends-countdown-is-rachel-green-jewish.html

    Replies: @guest

    We assume Rachel is Jewish because her name is Rachel Green, she went to school and was friends with the definitely Jewish Gellars growing up, she acts like a Jewish Princess, her father is a doctor, and many other reasons. But I don’t think we ever get confirmation.

  191. @syonredux
    @guest


    Herodotus made them out to be Turkish,
     
    He placed them in Anatolia. No Turks in Anatolia back then.

    as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.
     
    Libya. Other myths placed them in Ukraine, the Caucasus, Albania, etc.

    Replies: @guest

    I didn’t mean modern ethnic Turks. I just meant in the region that is now Turkey, which means they weren’t Greek. (Unless they colonized it.)

    • Replies: @George
    @guest

    "they weren’t Greek"

    The issue is the ancient Hellenic world not modern Greece. Hellene in English is usually used to mean an ancient Greek. But as far as I know, most of the areas Jews lived in were 'Hellenized' by Alexander or earlier and stayed that way until the Turkic and Arab expansions.

    FWIW modern Greece does not use the word to describe themselves, they use the term Hellenic.

    It is also not clear what ancient peoples actually looked like. Brunette is genetically dominant, but ancient peoples lived in such isolated clusters maybe they had very different looks.

  192. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    It bored me too.

    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can't die, and many times, neither can their enemies.

    Replies: @syonredux, @snorlax

    You can usually bet on the protagonist not dying even in non-franchise films. It’s the rare exception (*spoilers* obviously) — Game of Thrones, No Country for Old Men — where they do.

  193. @Dave Pinsen
    @Charles Pewitt

    She was spectacularly beautiful.

    But one of the conceits of her '70s Wonder Woman was that she was supposed to be plain-looking as an Army secretary.

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @TWS, @bored identity

    She wore glasses. Glasses.

  194. @IHTG
    P.S. Maybe this is just me, but - Peggy Lipton.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    She’s on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    She’s on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.
     
    Yeah. For a 70-year old woman, she looks fantastic.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  195. @International Jew
    @neutral


    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white
     
    For the record, I'm white. And when the "are we white" topic has come up, I've helpfully (nah, maliciously) suggested we ask a black person his opinion.

    Replies: @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever..., @Opinionator

    Are Semites White?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Are Semites White?
     
    What makes someone a Semite?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hippopotamusdrome

    , @biz
    @Opinionator

    There's no such thing as a "semite" so it is a pointless question. There are Semitic languages, which are spoken by people ranging from Ethiopia to Malta, but hopefully nobody is blind enough to consider all of those people some one ethnicity.

    , @L Woods
    @Opinionator

    Traditionally, yes, they are in fact.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  196. @Dave Pinsen
    @IHTG

    She's on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.

    Replies: @syonredux

    She’s on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.

    Yeah. For a 70-year old woman, she looks fantastic.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @syonredux

    Christy Brinkley, looks fabulous for her age (early 60's), simply fabulous. When Kate was 60, she played Eleanor of Aquataine, exactly why? For her time, the historical Eleanor was beautiful, so typecasting clearly, clearly, was in vogue. The real Eleanor of Aquataine wasn't old enough to have been Henry II's mother, per Hepburn and O'Toole.

    Dreadful casting, just dreadful.

    Replies: @guest

  197. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Gadot is 100% Ashkenazi and not the least bit "Arabish". If she were French or Spanish or Italian (and she could pass for any of them) no one would accuse her of being "Arabish".

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Opinionator

    Aren’t Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Aren’t Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?
     
    Are they?

    Here they’re looking at finer details. When they analyze the origins of the European component of Ashkenazi ancestry, they conclude that most is southern – probably Italian, but that smaller amounts originated from (probably) Western Europe and (more certainly) Eastern Europe: and in that temporal order. They conclude that the Italian admixture slightly predated a late medieval founder event. Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/

    Replies: @Joe Walker

    , @Pericles
    @Opinionator

    It depends.

  198. @Stan Adams
    @Veritatis

    Elizabeth Taylor was a convert:
    http://forward.com/culture/136447/a-jew-by-choice-elizabeth-taylor-1932-2011/

    Replies: @Opinionator

    So what.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Opinionator

    So this article is clearly about ethnic/racial Jews, not English-Americans who suddenly become Jews in their mid-20s.

  199. @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    James Bond movies suffer from the same problem, though the old ones dealt with it in campy fashion.

    Why not just make superhero musicals? Spider-Man the musical wasn't bad.

    Replies: @syonredux

    James Bond movies suffer from the same problem, though the old ones dealt with it in campy fashion.

    You can also add Indiana Jones, Simon Templar, Bulldog Drummond, Tarzan, ….

    Why not just make superhero musicals? Spider-Man the musical wasn’t bad.

    I liked the musical number in Captain America: The First Avenger:

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    Making Captain America a song-and-dance man was a witty touch in that movie. I liked that part too. Actually, that movie wasn't bad, but I lost interest after the first or second sequel. I was struck by the legions in the credits of that first Captain America movie -- probably more people helped make that movie than planned the D-Day invasion.

    It also seems cruel to make Chris Evans walk around at 6% body fat forever (even crueler to make the 48-year-old Hugh Jackman do it). For all the talk about female beauty standards in Hollywood, I bet no actress has a diet and exercise regime as harsh as Hugh Jackman's.

    Replies: @syonredux

  200. @syonredux
    @Marty


    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

     

    Half-Jewish:

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, United States

    Date of Birth: August 10, 1959

    Ethnicity:
    *English, French-Canadian, Swiss-German, German, Scottish, Irish, Welsh (father)
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (mother)
     
    Here's Rosanna's sister's ancestry results:

    *48.5% Ashkenazi
    *36.6% British & Irish
    *0.2% French & German
    *0.1% Finnish
    *11.3% Broadly Northern European
    *1.0% Broadly Southern European
    *2.1% Broadly European

     

    http://ethnicelebs.com/rosanna-arquette

    Replies: @Opinionator

    And 1/2 the Ashkenazi is Roman, so really she’s just 24.25% jewish.

    • Replies: @Been1
    @Opinionator

    That's just nuts. By that standard, no one is even close to 100% Jewish, so why even ask the question?

    If you're going back 2000 years to the Romans, why don't you just go back another 3000 years or so, in which case Arquette would be 0% Jewish?

    Are there any other ethnic groups you tend to go back 2000 years to determine the ancestry of?

    Replies: @Opinionator

  201. @George
    Hedy Lamarr is a borderline Jew. The others are safe picks.

    http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=617

    Replies: @Trelane

    Hedy Lamarr was not only beautiful, she was also highly intelligent. She invented a form of radio modulation called “frequency hopping” when she was only 28 years old. This is especially impressive since she had no training (formal or otherwise) in radio engineering and had left school as a teen to pursue an acting career in Berlin. Today, all of our advanced radio techiniques such as cell phones, wifi, satellites and blue tooth use this technology developed by Hedy. Frederick Emmons Terman must have been blown away by this chick. Howard Hughes offered her a job at his aircraft company and I don’t blame him. According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Trelane


    According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).
     
    FWIW, Grace Hopper (1906-1992) did not invent computer programming. What she did do, was invent the first compiler while at Univac, which is a landmark achievement in computer science. Grace Hopper was also an early champion of the development of programming languages with English-like commands and syntax, an idea that was also brushed off initially, but proved to be deeply powerful.

    The inventor of computer programming (at least conceptually) was Lady Ada Lovelace (1815-1852). She was Byron's daughter.

    Inconceivable thought it might seem, both women were in a different league, intellectually and in terms magnitude of actual accomplishment, than the genius black ladies who operated the puppet rocket scientists running the space program.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Jack D
    @Trelane

    Hedy Lamarr invented frequency hopping in the same way that those black lady mathematicians sent us to the moon. She had an idea for how to do it and worked with a guy who actually had some training and what they came up with was to use the mechanism from a player piano - actually 2 of them. Both the transmitter and the receiver would have to be perfectly synched at the beginning and stay in synch for this to work - any drift and they would be tuned to different frequencies and stop talking to each other. Their "invention" led to zero real world products. When real frequency hopping was perfected decades later it was electronic and had nothing to do with their crude mechanical approach.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @PiltdownMan

    , @Anonymous
    @Trelane

    While reasonably intelligent, more so than average really, Lamarr did not really "invent" frequency hopping-she along with many others imagined it, and she happened to be the one to file patent papers. Her actual scheme would never have really worked.

    Otherwise perfectly legitimate inventions have had their patents minimized or invalidated based on "prior art" that consisted of passages in science fiction pulp novels, or in at least one case, MAD magazine.

    Replies: @Autochthon

  202. @Opinionator
    @Stan Adams

    So what.

    Replies: @guest

    So this article is clearly about ethnic/racial Jews, not English-Americans who suddenly become Jews in their mid-20s.

  203. @Stan Adams
    @Opinionator

    Portman was awful in the prequels. (Everyone was awful, though, so you can't blame only her.)

    It was depressing to see how bad Fisher looked in the ripoff (the first new one). I haven't seen the newest new film - J.J. has made two so far, right?

    Fisher had an amusing cameo in Scream 3 as someone who looked an awful lot like ... Carrie Fisher.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kdKjQgUVDaI

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @MEH 0910

    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn’t even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it’s called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don’t even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one – Discovery, is it? – will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing – a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis – that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven’t seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don’t want to know. I don’t want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There’s at least one man who hasn’t – me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I’m not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I’m merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor’s The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie – and I’m no Randite, believe me. It’s one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn’t like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn’t like the statuary. Vidor’s Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery – icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper’s long, hard drill – is only icing on the cake.

    [MORE]

    There will never be another movie like Vidor’s Fountainhead. Oh, there’ll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won’t have Cooper’s wooden line deliveries, or Neal’s ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it’s anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it’ll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There’ll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there’ll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They’ll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he’ll probably be a Brit, and he’ll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won’t have a mustache, and he won’t be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won’t be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren’t that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant’s Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from – and inferior to – the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie’s cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don’t hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn’t seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn’t dream of touching himself. He’s a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together “in bed,” she whispers the last two words as if they’re some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character – it shows us that she’s a gossip. (A certain kind of woman – an older busybody type – has always enjoyed whispering about other people’s dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she’s a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can’t scream to save her life.

    Psycho ’98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type “comedy” that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock’s classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I’ll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he’s too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    “Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive,” he’ll say. “Why couldn’t I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?”

    “Kid,” I’ll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, “that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything.”

    We’ll see.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Stan Adams

    That drilling scene is scorching! Very suggestive forearms.

    , @Anonymous
    @Stan Adams


    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There’s at least one man who hasn’t – me.
     
    Yes (with the asterisk that I watched about ten minutes of some Harry Potter movie or another while in an emergency room waiting room). Me.
    , @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    @Stan Adams

    'Commando' is an unintentional comedy masterpiece. Literally one of the funniest movies ever made. Also, as it turns out, one of the gayest.

    Google "Ruthless Reviews Commando". Some funny shit.

    , @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    "Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There’s at least one man who hasn’t – me."
    And at least one woman--me.

  204. @Opinionator
    @International Jew

    Are Semites White?

    Replies: @syonredux, @biz, @L Woods

    Are Semites White?

    What makes someone a Semite?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    "What makes someone a Semite", you ask?

    A: A mommy Semite and a daddy Semite. In fact, it's Semites all the way down.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @syonredux



    What makes someone a Semite?

     

    The nose.
  205. @Opinionator
    @Jack D

    Aren't Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?

    Replies: @syonredux, @Pericles

    Aren’t Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?

    Are they?

    Here they’re looking at finer details. When they analyze the origins of the European component of Ashkenazi ancestry, they conclude that most is southern – probably Italian, but that smaller amounts originated from (probably) Western Europe and (more certainly) Eastern Europe: and in that temporal order. They conclude that the Italian admixture slightly predated a late medieval founder event. Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @syonredux

    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Jack D

  206. @Stan Adams
    @Stan Adams

    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn't even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it's called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don't even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one - Discovery, is it? - will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing - a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis - that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven't seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don't want to know. I don't want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There's at least one man who hasn't - me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I'm not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I'm merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor's The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie - and I'm no Randite, believe me. It's one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn't like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn't like the statuary. Vidor's Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery - icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper's long, hard drill - is only icing on the cake.



    There will never be another movie like Vidor's Fountainhead. Oh, there'll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won't have Cooper's wooden line deliveries, or Neal's ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it's anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it'll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There'll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there'll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They'll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he'll probably be a Brit, and he'll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won't have a mustache, and he won't be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won't be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren't that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant's Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from - and inferior to - the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie's cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don't hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn't seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn't dream of touching himself. He's a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together "in bed," she whispers the last two words as if they're some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character - it shows us that she's a gossip. (A certain kind of woman - an older busybody type - has always enjoyed whispering about other people's dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she's a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can't scream to save her life.

    Psycho '98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type "comedy" that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock's classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I'll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he's too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    "Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive," he'll say. "Why couldn't I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?"

    "Kid," I'll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, "that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything."

    We'll see.

    Replies: @guest, @Anonymous, @Bob Smith of Suburbia, @Kylie

    That drilling scene is scorching! Very suggestive forearms.

  207. She has a big nose but I don`t hold that against her:

  208. Bar Refaeli rates a three on my finger scale* – Gal Gadot a mere one.
    * See “The Last Boy Scout”.

  209. Karl says:
    @J.Ross
    Two items.

    To Steve's point, back when Al Franken first ran against Norm Coleman for the Senate seat representing Minnesota, which had been made famous by the late lamented Paul Wellstone, a Jewish blog (which no longer exists) plaintively wondered whether those dumb flyover rednecks in Saskatcheconsin or whatever it's called could bring themselves to Elect whom God had Chosen. Some impolite wag asked how the blogger could type such a thing given that all of the people involved, elected, defeated, or assassinated, were obviously Jewish. A few hours last that blog post was removed without explanation. But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.
    "Oh sure, I see how it is -- all of you want me to move to DC!"

    Second point, the creepy one: Is the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot a refutation to my creepy Law that "phenotypically Jewish girls are gorgeous, but nobody hates them worse than Hollywood or Israeli public relations?" Gadot has something of a history in Israeli public relations, and her perfectly balanced pleasant-mousiness is definitely a plus in attracting, or not offending, female audiences: would these same "body positive" audiences embrace a modern day young Lynda Carter? Maybe this is a refutation of the Law, but it does not mean that we have the true total freedom of casting, which we will possibly see in our lifetimes once Hollywood finally dies.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Karl

    11 J Ross > the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot

    From the Hebrew-wikipedia page about her: Her sabra parents had an original name of Greenshtein. Pops was an engineer and ima was a public-school teacher. Gal herself was allowed to defer her conscription-mobilization to age 20 because she had a job (a few paying gigs) as a model (such a deferment is not ridiculously difficult to get with some plausible story, especially if your pops knows somebody).

    She was NOT an officer; she only did the (female) required basic 2 years, serving as a physical-training assistant. Gal probably spun tales of being Army Superwoman to these very gullible Hollywood Jews. But the ==actual== job of a “madasnikit” is to babysit low-medical-profile guys through the remedial physical-fitness course to be able to be shoved into a lower-tier infantry unit, ones that accept non-elite guys.

    A madasnikit is not any kind of elite duty, my friends.

  210. @Trelane
    @George

    Hedy Lamarr was not only beautiful, she was also highly intelligent. She invented a form of radio modulation called "frequency hopping" when she was only 28 years old. This is especially impressive since she had no training (formal or otherwise) in radio engineering and had left school as a teen to pursue an acting career in Berlin. Today, all of our advanced radio techiniques such as cell phones, wifi, satellites and blue tooth use this technology developed by Hedy. Frederick Emmons Terman must have been blown away by this chick. Howard Hughes offered her a job at his aircraft company and I don't blame him. According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).

    FWIW, Grace Hopper (1906-1992) did not invent computer programming. What she did do, was invent the first compiler while at Univac, which is a landmark achievement in computer science. Grace Hopper was also an early champion of the development of programming languages with English-like commands and syntax, an idea that was also brushed off initially, but proved to be deeply powerful.

    The inventor of computer programming (at least conceptually) was Lady Ada Lovelace (1815-1852). She was Byron’s daughter.

    Inconceivable thought it might seem, both women were in a different league, intellectually and in terms magnitude of actual accomplishment, than the genius black ladies who operated the puppet rocket scientists running the space program.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @PiltdownMan

    Ah, but the real question regarding Lovelace and Hopper is, were either of these ladies outwardly beautiful? One truism tends to hold that the smarter the woman, the uglier they tend to be (e.g. Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice, Mary, the frumpy semi-ugly duckling of the five Bennett sisters, knowing she can't compete with her far fairer sisters, decides to concentrate on her smarts and thus possible land a husband).

    Remember, keep the focus on the original point of the article, and that is, could these real life geniuses play Wonder Woman from a physical standpoint?

  211. @oddsbodkins
    @Marty

    > ... the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history ...

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.

    Replies: @Njguy73, @fish

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.

    Back in “Mulholland Falls” days when she still had her baby fat! She got a little ropey when she thinned out!

  212. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Veritatis
    "I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?"

    Elizabeth Taylor? Winona Rider, Natalie Portman? Or Jennifer Aniston, Jessica Parker, Mila Kunis and many others I have no idea of? A lot of TV series would be my guess, plus the characters' names: Hannah, Zach, Zeke, Josh...

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Stan Adams, @guest, @Anonymous

    A heaping helping of Jewesses are actresses, some of them quite pretty even to my jaundiced eye.

    Liz and MM converted, although the latter’s conversion was a sort of hoax foisted on her by Arthur Miller who found “a very humanistic rabbi” to instruct her. Somewhere between Lucy’s being taught goofy golf and Sinatra’s bogus investiture in the Knights of Malta.

    Nothing in Jennifer Aniston’s Wikipedia page indicates any connection to Judaism or Jewish descent:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Aniston

    I would be very surprised if Emirates Airlines would hire a Jewish spokeswoman, besides.

  213. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan Adams
    @Stan Adams

    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn't even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it's called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don't even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one - Discovery, is it? - will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing - a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis - that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven't seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don't want to know. I don't want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There's at least one man who hasn't - me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I'm not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I'm merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor's The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie - and I'm no Randite, believe me. It's one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn't like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn't like the statuary. Vidor's Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery - icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper's long, hard drill - is only icing on the cake.



    There will never be another movie like Vidor's Fountainhead. Oh, there'll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won't have Cooper's wooden line deliveries, or Neal's ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it's anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it'll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There'll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there'll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They'll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he'll probably be a Brit, and he'll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won't have a mustache, and he won't be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won't be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren't that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant's Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from - and inferior to - the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie's cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don't hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn't seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn't dream of touching himself. He's a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together "in bed," she whispers the last two words as if they're some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character - it shows us that she's a gossip. (A certain kind of woman - an older busybody type - has always enjoyed whispering about other people's dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she's a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can't scream to save her life.

    Psycho '98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type "comedy" that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock's classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I'll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he's too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    "Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive," he'll say. "Why couldn't I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?"

    "Kid," I'll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, "that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything."

    We'll see.

    Replies: @guest, @Anonymous, @Bob Smith of Suburbia, @Kylie

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There’s at least one man who hasn’t – me.

    Yes (with the asterisk that I watched about ten minutes of some Harry Potter movie or another while in an emergency room waiting room). Me.

  214. Karl says:
    @Jake
    Perhaps my two favorite American Jews of all time: Judah P. Benjamin and David Levy Yulee. If America had a couple dozen like them today, we'd be much better off.

    France, Britain and Germany also are in dire need of a couple dozen Jews like them.

    Replies: @Karl

    77 Jake > my two favorite American Jews of all time

    can I get you to make it three? Commodore Levy was the guy who abolished corporal punishment in the US Navy

    There’s a US Navy synagogue named for him onboard Norfolk Navy Base. It’s upstairs from the Christian chapel. Free wine and egg-bread every Friday night if you don’t mind looking at some non-Flag-Officer-staff quality of Navy girls.

    When I was there a very long time ago, the Muslims did not have their own room. Bet that has changed.

  215. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rifleman
    @Charles Pewitt

    Now the important question is - Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Carter

    Carter was born in Phoenix, Arizona, the daughter of Juanita (née Córdova) and Colby Carter.

    Her father is of English and Scots-Irish ancestry, and her mother, whose family hailed from Mexico, is of Mexican, Spanish and French descent

    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bach

    Bach was born in Warren, Ohio, the daughter of Norma Jean Kucera (née Verdugo), an acupuncturist, and Bernard Bachman, a rancher.

    Her mother was of Mexican descent and her father was of German ancestry.

    Or Raquel Welch?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch

    Welch was born as Jo-Raquel Tejada on September 5, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois.

    Her father, Armando Carlos Tejada Urquizo (1911–1976), was an aeronautical engineer from La Paz, Bolivia, born to Agustin Tejada and Raquel Urquizo; Welch was named after her paternal grandmother.

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @englishmike, @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Since some Mexicans are entirely White-most Spaniards, but a few Poles, Czechs and Germans and a smattering of Mennonites-“Mexican” descent is absolute proof of nothing.

    Bach to me seems entirely white whereas Welch looks a little, but very little mestiza. I’d categorize the (once) very fine singers Linda Ronstadt and Vikki Carr as “light mestizas”. I’d be the first to say my eye for these things is not world class, though.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    Bach to me seems entirely white whereas Welch looks a little, but very little mestiza.
     
    Nah. To my eye, she looks like a mix of Northern and Southern European.
  216. @European-American
    @syonredux

    > The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC.

    That's what I thought, à la Ghostbusters, which was mostly embarrassingly dumb, though it had a lot of talent: onto the outrageous fantasy of the original, you tack on the improbability of misfit women scientists and engineers acting like tough first responders, assisted by a wimpy and stupid but cute Thor -- well, I gave it points for chutzpah anyway!

    So I expected Wonder Woman to be bad, for PC reasons and due to superhero fatigue: Doctor Strange ok, but Deadpool and that other "bad superheroes" film terrible in my book. So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable. Gal Gadot is luminous and works well with Chris Pine. Dialogue is sometimes very funny, action scenes are pretty cool (despite implausibility of those amazons as tough warriors at the start). And the message is not as dumb and tedious and childish as other superhero films: war is terrible, humans suck, grand principles fail, but humans are also capable of love and heroism and worth saving. And yes you can be a hot woman and still stand up for yourself and be admired not just for your hotness. Gal Gadot's military and Israeli background may have helped make the movie more realistic: who you gonna believe about war: Gal Gadot or Scarlett Johansson?

    Replies: @syonredux, @Bob Smith of Suburbia

    To heck with all that, all I want to know is, How many of them eee-vil Naht-zees did she kill?

  217. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    Who her? No, she’s ugly.

  218. @Stan Adams
    @Stan Adams

    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn't even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it's called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don't even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one - Discovery, is it? - will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing - a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis - that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven't seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don't want to know. I don't want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There's at least one man who hasn't - me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I'm not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I'm merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor's The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie - and I'm no Randite, believe me. It's one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn't like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn't like the statuary. Vidor's Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery - icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper's long, hard drill - is only icing on the cake.



    There will never be another movie like Vidor's Fountainhead. Oh, there'll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won't have Cooper's wooden line deliveries, or Neal's ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it's anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it'll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There'll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there'll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They'll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he'll probably be a Brit, and he'll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won't have a mustache, and he won't be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won't be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren't that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant's Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from - and inferior to - the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie's cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don't hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn't seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn't dream of touching himself. He's a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together "in bed," she whispers the last two words as if they're some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character - it shows us that she's a gossip. (A certain kind of woman - an older busybody type - has always enjoyed whispering about other people's dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she's a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can't scream to save her life.

    Psycho '98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type "comedy" that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock's classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I'll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he's too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    "Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive," he'll say. "Why couldn't I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?"

    "Kid," I'll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, "that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything."

    We'll see.

    Replies: @guest, @Anonymous, @Bob Smith of Suburbia, @Kylie

    ‘Commando’ is an unintentional comedy masterpiece. Literally one of the funniest movies ever made. Also, as it turns out, one of the gayest.

    Google “Ruthless Reviews Commando”. Some funny shit.

  219. @Dave Pinsen
    @guest

    If you think the "where are the Jews onscreen?" take is dumb, consider that this Wonder Woman movie already spawned a debate about whether Wonder Woman should shave her underarms.

    https://twitter.com/WomenintheWorld/status/845266457525039104

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    How much of this is merely retroactively justifying their own laziness/lack of beauty?

    “Don’t shave your armpits”, “Don’t shame fat girls”, ” Etc.

  220. @Dave Pinsen
    @CAL

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/872564206545096704

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @Njguy73

    Which one do you think is supposed to be the lesbian?

  221. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Dave Pinsen

    Both the comic book and Lynda Carter TV show balanced out the feminist nature of the character by including some damsel-in-distress / BDSM-type scenarios. In fact, WW's creator, William Moulton Marsten, was a noted BDSM enthusiast. In her original incarnation, Wonder Woman could be rendered powerless by having her hands bound by a man (!). Needless to say, I'm sure all these aspects have been dropped for this latest film, probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @European-American, @res

    > probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism

    More like harmless, humorous, and old-fashioned pro-woman jabs like this one:

    Etta Candy: I’m Steve Trevor’s secretary.
    Diana Prince: What is a secretary?
    Etta Candy: I go where he tells me to go, I do what he tells me to do.
    Diana Prince: Where we come from, that’s called slavery.
    Etta Candy: I like her!

    Anyone who has been or who knows a secretary will at least giggle at that one.

  222. Why do the White female heroines of the “girls kick ass” movies typically have long hair, large breasts, wide hips, and a wide space between their legs? In other words, they are “hot” … very “hot”. They are a metaphor for all things feminine that can beat all things masculine at its own game.

    We all know that the Wondrous Women of movie and comic book fame are counter-factual fantasies. Yet, young women today dig them. They are fantasies of being something physically and emotionally other than what they are in Nature’s binary universe. They are a form of self-hate. It would be like males reveling in fantasies of keeping house and nursing babies in the nursery.

    White males are getting the message. Data from dating sites show that White males are increasingly interested in Hispanic and Asian women. The PEW Foundation reports that marriage rates among Whites are at historic lows. It attributes this to relatively low economic opportunities for Millennials, with a negative impact on family formation. False! That did not stop the Baby Boomers from marrying when they had little or nothing. Two married and living together can live more cheaply than maintaining two separate households.

    Today’s young White males should copy Trump and engage in extreme vetting before marrying someone who might turn to be a rapid feminist fantasizing and/or calculating ways to “kiss ass” among the males in her life.

    The “Wonder Woman” fantasies are yet more evidence of a sick, anti-natalist culture racing to the precipice like lemmings bent on self-destruction.

  223. @Opinionator
    @International Jew

    Are Semites White?

    Replies: @syonredux, @biz, @L Woods

    There’s no such thing as a “semite” so it is a pointless question. There are Semitic languages, which are spoken by people ranging from Ethiopia to Malta, but hopefully nobody is blind enough to consider all of those people some one ethnicity.

  224. @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Are Semites White?
     
    What makes someone a Semite?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hippopotamusdrome

    “What makes someone a Semite”, you ask?

    A: A mommy Semite and a daddy Semite. In fact, it’s Semites all the way down.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    “What makes someone a Semite”, you ask?

    A: A mommy Semite and a daddy Semite. In fact, it’s Semites all the way down.
     

    A linguist would say that a Semite is someone who speaks a Semitic language as his native tongue...
  225. @syonredux
    @AnotherGuessModel


    Hercules’ great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock’s ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version.
     
    Dunno about the Rock looking "ethnically ambiguous." To my eyes, he looks quite Polynesian...

    As for Hercules' great-grandmother being the Ethiopian princess Andromeda, that doesn't seem to have influenced how the Greeks and the Romans depicted him:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles#/media/File:Hercules_Farnese_3637104088_9c95d7fe3c_b.jpg

    Looks quite European to me.....

    Replies: @Romanian

    Maybe the supposed ancestors could have been leuko-ethiopians, which was apparently a thing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Aethiopians

    People generally forget that, before the outward expansion of the Europeans throughout the world, there was also a massive contraction, in a few phases. Think of the Arabs overrunning the Middle East and Christian North Africa and, later, the Turkic conquest of Anatolia.

    Or the displacement of many tribes, including the classical Bulgarians, from Central Asia, under pressure from Asiatic migratory peoples. Or their destruction.

    These are paradigm changes that ripple onwards in time. The final cleansing of the Christian (and the most European) elements of Turkey and the Middle East took place in the early 20th century and is now undergoing a mopping up operation. Consider Lebanon’s demographic transformation based on the inflow of outsiders and, now, the fertility differentials.

    So, there were once White (ish?) Africans in Ethiopia and now the have been subsumed by another race or simply lost their former countenance because of selection. What will Turkey look like in a few hundred years? Or Eastern Europe, given the gypsy element? Or Western Europe.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Romanian

    Yeah. Here's Snowden on the topic:


    The assumption that a majority of the inhabitants of north Africa such as Numidians, Gaetulians, and Moors, were blacks, is also contradicted by the ancient evidence. Classical accounts clearly distinguish between the light-skinned inhabitants of coastal northwest Africa and the darker Ethiopians who lived on the southern fringes of the area. The ancient sources also point to the presence in northwest Africa of mixed black-white types, strongly suggested by names such as Libyoaethiopes (Libyan Ethiopians), Leucoaethiopes (white Ethiopians) and Melanogeatuli (black Gaetulians), a kind of intermediate population, an amalgam of whites and Ethiopians, and by the descriptions of the Garamantes, classified in some classical texts as Ethiopians but distinguished from Ethiopians by others. [15] Classical accounts of the physical features of northwest Africans are amply confirmed by the iconographical evidence. Mosaics, sculpture in the round, and other art objects from northwest Africa depict the inhabitants as predominantly white and portray relatively few blacks, far fewer than in the art of the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans.
     
    http://library.howard.edu/content.php?pid=554250
  226. @Opinionator
    @Jack D

    Aren't Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?

    Replies: @syonredux, @Pericles

    It depends.

  227. @Travis
    @Zoodles

    True, and many leading Universities would become majority non-White School overnight.

    current breakdown at Harvard.
    28% Jews, North Africans, Arabs, Middle Eastern and Persian.
    22% Asian
    21% White
    13% Black
    12% Hispanic
    3% Native American (probably mostly whites like Sen. Warren)

    probably many Jews will not self identify as being MENA. most Half Asians will identify as White when they apply to Harvard. I know a Korean adoptee who attended Penn, she identified as White to increase her chances of being accepted, and it worked

    Replies: @Art Deco

    current breakdown at Harvard. 28% Jews, North Africans, Arabs, Middle Eastern and Persian.

    Unless 20% of the student body is Arab or Iranian, no.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Art Deco

    25% of Harvard College students are Jewish. That number comes from the Hillel Foundation, the Jewish student organization.

    Based on religious self identification of the 2016 class- 42% of surveyed seniors said they are agnostic or atheist, 18% Catholic, 15% Protestant, and 12% as Jewish.
    of the 42% who identified as atheists, 30% were ethnic Jews. Confirms the estimate that 25% of the Harvard graduating class is ethnically Jewish.

    A. Lawrence Lowell, Harvard's president from 1909-1933, attempted to limit the number of Jewish students admitted to the university. Lowell wanted to cap Harvard's Jewish population at 15% of the student body. The size of the Jewish student body had quickly risen from 7% of freshmen in 1900 to 15% in 1915, 22% in 1922, and 28% in 1925. thus they began restriction jews in the 1930s until the 1950s. But by 1986 Jews were 30% of the students at Yale and 28% of the students attending Harvard. http://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/04/nyregion/yale-s-limit-on-jewish-enrollment-lasted-until-early-1960-s-book-says.html

    Replies: @syonredux

  228. @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Aren’t Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?
     
    Are they?

    Here they’re looking at finer details. When they analyze the origins of the European component of Ashkenazi ancestry, they conclude that most is southern – probably Italian, but that smaller amounts originated from (probably) Western Europe and (more certainly) Eastern Europe: and in that temporal order. They conclude that the Italian admixture slightly predated a late medieval founder event. Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/

    Replies: @Joe Walker

    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Joe Walker


    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.
     
    Not that foreign. Europeans and Middle Easterners are very closely related.
    , @Jack D
    @Joe Walker

    Jews have been in Europe longer than some of the local "European" populations that arrived from the east (Central Asia) after Roman times. White people are called "Caucasians" or "Aryans" - this refers to Asian lands that are further from Europe than Israel is.

    Today's Arabs have considerable African admixture from all the slave women. The original population of the area probably looked more like Bashar Assad - in other words "white". The real mutants are people with blonde hair in adulthood. Light skin is a common adaptation for northern latitudes and people with light skin often have light hair as infants but it usually darkens in adulthood. Blonde hair was probably some kind of sexual selection evolutionary "trick" to make females look younger than they really were. Blonde hair is something that is confined to one corner of Northern Europe - even most Europeans don't have it. Even most Nazis didn't have it.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  229. @syonredux
    Some of the critical pieces on the film are a tad....revealing....

    I did not expect to cry during “Wonder Woman.”

    Specifically, I did not expect to tear up during the fight scenes. OK, maybe if Gal Gadot’s Diana, Amazon princess, had given some terrific speech, or if a character I liked had died, but I certainly did not expect to get all misty eyed during the battle scenes.

    But that’s exactly what happened; when Wonder Woman started fighting, out came the waterworks.

    It started on the beach, when Gen. Antiope (Robin Wright) rode into battle with a smile and Queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) leaped off her horse, spinning into the air to wipe out two armed men with her sword. As the battle raged on, it became clear that the scene was not window-dressing, 10 seconds of Amazon showtime before the real movie started. This was the movie — female warriors kicking ass.

    They were fierce and powerful, highly trained soldiers who knew what they were doing, and the film took that, and them, seriously. It was overwhelming.
     

    I felt like I was discovering something I didn’t even know I had always wanted. A need that I had boxed up and buried deep after three movies of Iron Man punching bad guys in the face, three more movies of Captain America punching bad guys in the face, a movie about Superman and Batman punching each other in the face and then “Suicide Squad.”

    Witnessing a woman hold the field, and the camera, for that long blew open an arguably monotonous genre. We didn’t need a computer-generated tree or a sassy raccoon to change the superhero game; what we needed was a woman.

     

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Harry Baldwin, @AnotherDad

    Oh dear, that’s sad. Meredith Woerner yearns to beat up men and only a movie can give her that vicarious thrill. Women may wash out of Ranger school every time, a women’s Olympic soccer team may be beaten by high school boys, and women MMA fighters may be beaten up by men (who believe they are women), but at least with the magic of special effects and often stuntMEN, women can kick ass in the movies.

  230. This discussion seems to have veered away from talking about the movie and toward discussions of who is and is not Jewish and whether or not Jews should be considered White (Caucasian) and which Jewish or part-Jewish actress is prettiest.

    That being the case, maybe you folks can help me out with something.

    Most of the articles I read on the internet, when they deal with matters of race, refer to people as being white or black or yellow or brown. Other than using a Pantene scale, though, nobody seems to know exactly who should be considered a member of which race.

    Alec Wek https://tinyurl.com/ydeej2yw is a very black model.

    Iman https://tinyurl.com/yarsycrm is another black model, also from Africa but of lighter skin tone and a very Caucasian-style nose.

    Halle Berry claims to be black (the “one drop” theory?) but she’s got a very light tan complexion, a very straight nose and (unless she’s big on wigs) does not sport the tightly curled hair associated with the stereotypical black woman.

    This picture https://tinyurl.com/ybhm32eq I found by Googling “scandinavian blonde women”.

    Somewhere out there — sorry, I couldn’t find it — is a picture series/album that some photographer put together of women all over the world. The various skin tones blend into each other, some have thin lips while others have thick ones, thin noses and flat noses…

    In a world where people talk about religions (Jewish, most obviously) as though they were races and where it’s often impossible to tell one “race” from another what is a polite fellow to do? Especially since, in today’s world, it’s so easy for people to “take offense” over being mis-identified?

    Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv .

    Help a guy out?

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    @RedHeadedStranger

    I'm not sure which would be worse for you. Is it that you think this line of attack is original or that you think anyone will fall for it?

    Regardless, you should ask Potter Stewart.

    Replies: @RedHeadedStranger

    , @üeljang
    @RedHeadedStranger

    "Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv ."

    One must be quite obtuse to label a woman who is evidently at least half White as "an Asian woman."

    Replies: @RedHeadedStranger

    , @Stan Adams
    @RedHeadedStranger

    "White" covers a lot of ground.

    The good folks on this board can narrow it down a bit, and tell you if you're Nordid, Dalo-Faelid, Atlantid, Baltid, Borreby, Brunn, Mediterranid, or whatever:
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?25-Taxonomy

    Note that I'm not endorsing the site. I don't post there myself. But it is interesting to read through some of the threads.

  231. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Superhero comics have always been half-assed quasi-Marxist and Freudian propaganda put out by Jews.

    In the “good old days” of 1941, Captain America was a white man who was developed into a “superhero” because Adolf Hitler – The Most Evil Man Who Ever Lived – was trying to take over the planet and enslave all of humanity with the help of Stygian figures representative of necrosis and human sadism like the Red Skull.

    “Superman” was a hokey, buffoonish creation – presented as a misunderstood, but eminently superior, alien specimen who hailed from a planet where everybody coincidentally had a Hebraic name. A nice Jewish gentleman created the character, so as to convey to silly goy slobs that they should get beyond their natural jealousies and accept their basic moral and mental and physical inferiorities in the face of the Alien interlopers who are their natural betters.

    Batman was portrayed as an adult man who dresses up in what can only be described as leather fetish outfits and hangs around a catamite “boy wonder” who never leaves his side.

    We don’t even need to get into the retro torture-porn chic that was the output of EC Comics to recognize what this medium always represented at the popular cultural/mass distribution level.

    Superhero comics are 1) Jewish 2) Gay 3) Basically steeped in Communist moral metaphors. Yeah, that’s interesting to note – it’s also been the case for about a century.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    “Superman” was a hokey, buffoonish creation – presented as a misunderstood, but eminently superior, alien specimen who hailed from a planet where everybody coincidentally had a Hebraic name. A nice Jewish gentleman created the character, so as to convey to silly goy slobs that they should get beyond their natural jealousies and accept their basic moral and mental and physical inferiorities in the face of the Alien interlopers who are their natural betters.
     
    Superman is Philip Wylie's Gladiator (the basic power-set: super stength, speed, bullet-proof skin, etc), plus elements from Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter (travelling to another planet makes you more powerful) and Tarzan (alien raised by another species).
  232. @Jim Don Bob
    @guest

    https://emilyshire.com/. A solid 5, maybe 6 if I were drinking, but the crazy bs coming out of her mouth would probably put me off.

    My daddy always said, "Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are". I would still be a virgin had I followed Dad's advice.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Moshe

    Did your dad want you to exclusively fuck straight men?

  233. @RedHeadedStranger
    This discussion seems to have veered away from talking about the movie and toward discussions of who is and is not Jewish and whether or not Jews should be considered White (Caucasian) and which Jewish or part-Jewish actress is prettiest.

    That being the case, maybe you folks can help me out with something.

    Most of the articles I read on the internet, when they deal with matters of race, refer to people as being white or black or yellow or brown. Other than using a Pantene scale, though, nobody seems to know exactly who should be considered a member of which race.

    Alec Wek https://tinyurl.com/ydeej2yw is a very black model.

    Iman https://tinyurl.com/yarsycrm is another black model, also from Africa but of lighter skin tone and a very Caucasian-style nose.

    Halle Berry claims to be black (the "one drop" theory?) but she's got a very light tan complexion, a very straight nose and (unless she's big on wigs) does not sport the tightly curled hair associated with the stereotypical black woman.

    This picture https://tinyurl.com/ybhm32eq I found by Googling "scandinavian blonde women".

    Somewhere out there -- sorry, I couldn't find it -- is a picture series/album that some photographer put together of women all over the world. The various skin tones blend into each other, some have thin lips while others have thick ones, thin noses and flat noses...

    In a world where people talk about religions (Jewish, most obviously) as though they were races and where it's often impossible to tell one "race" from another what is a polite fellow to do? Especially since, in today's world, it's so easy for people to "take offense" over being mis-identified?

    Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv .

    Help a guy out?

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @üeljang, @Stan Adams

    I’m not sure which would be worse for you. Is it that you think this line of attack is original or that you think anyone will fall for it?

    Regardless, you should ask Potter Stewart.

    • Replies: @RedHeadedStranger
    @The Z Blog

    It wasn't a "line of attack" but an honest question. Sorry if you felt "triggered". I'll ask my question elsewhere, then. I just thought that since Steve has a reputation for being fact-based, I might get pointed in the right direction. Never mind, I'll ask elsewhere. Enjoy your Intellectual Superiority.

    Replies: @The Z Blog

  234. @RedHeadedStranger
    This discussion seems to have veered away from talking about the movie and toward discussions of who is and is not Jewish and whether or not Jews should be considered White (Caucasian) and which Jewish or part-Jewish actress is prettiest.

    That being the case, maybe you folks can help me out with something.

    Most of the articles I read on the internet, when they deal with matters of race, refer to people as being white or black or yellow or brown. Other than using a Pantene scale, though, nobody seems to know exactly who should be considered a member of which race.

    Alec Wek https://tinyurl.com/ydeej2yw is a very black model.

    Iman https://tinyurl.com/yarsycrm is another black model, also from Africa but of lighter skin tone and a very Caucasian-style nose.

    Halle Berry claims to be black (the "one drop" theory?) but she's got a very light tan complexion, a very straight nose and (unless she's big on wigs) does not sport the tightly curled hair associated with the stereotypical black woman.

    This picture https://tinyurl.com/ybhm32eq I found by Googling "scandinavian blonde women".

    Somewhere out there -- sorry, I couldn't find it -- is a picture series/album that some photographer put together of women all over the world. The various skin tones blend into each other, some have thin lips while others have thick ones, thin noses and flat noses...

    In a world where people talk about religions (Jewish, most obviously) as though they were races and where it's often impossible to tell one "race" from another what is a polite fellow to do? Especially since, in today's world, it's so easy for people to "take offense" over being mis-identified?

    Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv .

    Help a guy out?

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @üeljang, @Stan Adams

    “Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv .”

    One must be quite obtuse to label a woman who is evidently at least half White as “an Asian woman.”

    • Replies: @RedHeadedStranger
    @üeljang

    I got that picture by Googling "asian actresses". It was one of six or seven and that's the one I chose. Apparently I should have specified "racially pure". My bad.

  235. Moshe says:
    @Lot
    @neutral

    I am pretty white looking, but happy to troll libtards by calling myself a "people of color."


    Wonder Woman: There is a person of color in the lead role
     
    Excellent!

    Now let us take a look at the history and heritage of Ashkenazi Jews. An indigenous people of the Middle East, Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of their homeland by European (and later Arab) colonists and taken as slaves to Europe where they were consistently regarded as savages,
     
    Boy the Times of Israel has some very low standards for its bloggers. There is absolutely no evidence that the proto-Ashkenazi migration to Italy and Gaul was as slaves. Perhaps the Romans did grab some slaves from the ranks of Jewish revolters, but more likely they just left because 100BC-300AD Israel was relatively poor and crowded compared to Europe and North Africa.

    And even those Jews who did convert were still viewed with suspicion, and treated as second class.
     
    Some were obviously faking their conversion, so the "suspicion" was for good reason. Nonetheless, the converted Jews heavily intermarried with the Spanish gentry and lower nobility, so they were hardly "second class" citizens.

    A few choice quotes from some of the more notable European philosophers (as well as some who are less notable) should prove instructive
     

    The only "notable" person on the list is Kant, who was not an ethnographer and never traveled more than a few miles from his birthplace. As Steve notes, both the laws of the USA and Europe, and the actual behavior of Europeans, showed Ashkenazi and Euro-Sephardic Jews were already considered white Europeans. Can we imagine the UK electing a black or Asian PM in 1868 and 1874? Or someone married to a black or asian in 1894?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @Moshe

    I don’t care at all for any discussion from either side about who is “white” or not so I won’t comment to that but I believe that though the Romans DID take Jewish slaves from Israel (Jvdea) and elsewhere in the aftermath of the 3 revolts (including pulmos kitos – war of quietus) the Roman world was already full of Jews in good standing. Also, 66 wasn’t the first revolt either and there are some great Latin passages about (for another time).

    Also the converso intermarriage with royalty wasn’t as commonplace and ubiquitous as is commonly believed. There was, as well, a big difference between conversos in 1391 and convwrsos in 1492 and 1496.

  236. @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    @International Jew

    "For the record, I’m white."
    International Honorary White Jew. Only 'cos you're a jolly nice fellow. :)

    Replies: @International Jew

    I don’t think I like that “compliment”. If your idea of “white” means northwest European then I’m not that and don’t particularly wish to be. But I don’t see that as a sensible definition. You surely don’t want to define yourself apart from the ancient Greeks and Romans.

  237. @Mikey Darmody
    @International Jew

    Very interesting. Does it work?

    Replies: @International Jew

    It wouldn’t have worked on my 18-year-old self; the instructor could be teaching me how to strip my rifle but my mind would be undressing her.

  238. @guest
    @syonredux

    I didn't mean modern ethnic Turks. I just meant in the region that is now Turkey, which means they weren't Greek. (Unless they colonized it.)

    Replies: @George

    “they weren’t Greek”

    The issue is the ancient Hellenic world not modern Greece. Hellene in English is usually used to mean an ancient Greek. But as far as I know, most of the areas Jews lived in were ‘Hellenized’ by Alexander or earlier and stayed that way until the Turkic and Arab expansions.

    FWIW modern Greece does not use the word to describe themselves, they use the term Hellenic.

    It is also not clear what ancient peoples actually looked like. Brunette is genetically dominant, but ancient peoples lived in such isolated clusters maybe they had very different looks.

  239. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Dave Pinsen

    Both the comic book and Lynda Carter TV show balanced out the feminist nature of the character by including some damsel-in-distress / BDSM-type scenarios. In fact, WW's creator, William Moulton Marsten, was a noted BDSM enthusiast. In her original incarnation, Wonder Woman could be rendered powerless by having her hands bound by a man (!). Needless to say, I'm sure all these aspects have been dropped for this latest film, probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @European-American, @res

    This was discussed on iSteve last month: https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-butt-kicking-babe-movies-empower-young-girls/#comment-1866364
    But given the overall tone of this thread this seems worth including: http://comicsalliance.com/golden-age-wonder-woman-kink-gallery/

  240. @Opinionator
    @International Jew

    Are Semites White?

    Replies: @syonredux, @biz, @L Woods

    Traditionally, yes, they are in fact.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @L Woods

    But they are from Asia.

  241. Judah Benjamin was also Secy’y of War and, later, Sec’y of State under Jeff Davis. Vey!

  242. Moshe says:
    @Mikey Darmody
    It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather..... Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @International Jew, @Moshe, @englishmike

    When I lived in Israel it was as an American and I was not in the army. I could have been but I was terrified of losing some kind of celestial battle and ending up as a jobnik rather than working intelligence or infantry.

    Anyhow, I, and my foreign colleagues who actually were in uniform, found the Israeli soldier girls breathtaking. It almost looked like they were ALL literally stunning, which obviously could not have been the case.

    I never quite analyzed it but I guess it has to do with the fact that they’re all physically fit and that being in the army doesn’t detract from their femininity because ALL girls are in the army, so their self confidence doesn’t effect their natural submissveness to men.

    Or something like that.

    As for American women in the army. Yes, most look like dogs but not all.

    I —-

    Oh no, I was about to mention a girl I knew going into the marines when I worked near 29 palms but I looked her name up and—- either it’s not her (it’s been a decade) of maybe women don’t improve with age.

    Okay!

    Next topic.

    How does this square with some people’s claims that the Jews aren’t attracted to their own women?

    I can guess at one element in play and can speak more personally to another.

    My guess is that back in the immigrant days shiksas who could afford the lifestyle and makeup to look pretty looked better than Jewish washerwomen and also promised a better life, obviously enhancing their prettiness.

    The same is true in the chassidic world today although their fantasy is for a modern orthodox or non orthodox jewish woman, for the same reason.

    One I can speak to more personally is that, on average, Jewish women can be more of an emotional handful than non-jewish women. I don’t know how much of this is cultural and how much is genetic, but American Jewish women, JAPs, can be difficult. At least for Jews.

    As for general attractiveness, I can only speak for myself. I find good-looking Jewish girls far far cuter than good-looking non Jewish girls.

    Obviously this only relates to the respective good looking ones in each category, but I have no interest in “hot” girls as conpared with “cute” ones.

    The former look like manly sluts to me and the latter like smiley cuddly feminine beauties.

    The whole blond and tall thing is probably for the sort of men who take pride in their penis size (a concept I first heard of about ten years ago and sincerely thought it was a female-created joke until really recently) and who enjoy waking up to creatures with a square jaw and cold eyes while the latter is for men who enjoy being funny and playing around and want to wake up to a light brown haired girl-looking-girl with curves and with less than 4 feet of washboard abs between their upper curves and lower ones.

    The ideal of course is a Non-Jap with these physical attributes.

    Thankfully in America they are fairly common, although the grotesque bleached blonde thing self-selects a number from circulation.

    • Replies: @Mikey Darmody
    @Moshe

    That sounds like a fair assessment. To the degree it keeps them in shape, female military service is a positive.
    I think in Bonfire of the Vanities there was a Jewish junior prosecutor who was ashamed of how his wife had morphed into a plump shtetl babushka once she had kids. The converse is McCoy's blonde shiksa wife who starved herself of all fats and became a social x-ray, I believe. It's funny how they are, presumably, morally much better than the most beautiful woman in the book, Sherman's despicable mistress. My idea is that once a woman has a passel of kids, she has some excuse for not being in the beat shape.

    , @Autochthon
    @Moshe


    Obviously this only relates to the respective good looking ones in each category, but I have no interest in “hot” girls as conpared with “cute” ones.

    The former look like manly sluts to me and the latter like smiley cuddly feminine beauties.
     

    There is much wisdom in this perspective. Sadly, the cute women are gravitating toward being mousy, tubby slobs with all kinds of irrational rage at men who aren't interested in that kind of mate; their ultimate fate is too often now to become crazed cat-ladies or lesbians of opportunity. Meanwhile, the hot ones are doubling down as manly sluts and rather than being content to wed a dashing, handsome physician or captain of industry, they insist on bedding several such men on heavy rotation until they become haggish, then they repeat the whole affair with lesser, younger, less choosy men as so-called cougars before retiring to their own fates as bitter harridans.

    OTEMPORAOMORES

  243. EH says:
    @guest
    @George

    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn't necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Difference Maker, @syonredux, @EH, @SteveRogers42

    From archaeological evidence that 1/5th of those buried with weapons were women, the likely origin of the legend of the Amazons was the Scythian or Sarmatian peoples who were originally of the northern coast of the Black Sea and the steppes and river valleys north of that latitude, descended from the Kurgan (Yamna and Maykop peoples), proto- Indo-Europeans of the same area, particularly the Northern Caucasus, the most likely inventors of the wheel and domesticators of the horse, whose descendants later conquered everything from Mongolia to France (indeed, the Sicambrian Franks who founded France were Scythians by their own account, which is backed by the similarity of the gold work, for instance in the Merovingian and Bactrian hoards.)

    The purest descendants of the Scythians today are the Ossetians of the northern Caucasus (e.g. Beslan, where their children were massacred at school by Chechen terrorists). Nearly a third of Ossetians still follow their ancient pagan religion, Uatsdin. Their closest cousins are the Alans (Alani in the Roman chronicles, a form of the word “Aryan”, also the origin of the name “Alan”), who settled mostly in Armorica (Brittany, France) and the Jasz, who have lived in Hungary since they arrived with the Mongol invasion.

  244. @guest
    Is it possible they're not aware one of the biggest female stars in Hollywood, Natalie Portman, is not only Jewish but was born in Jerusalem? She gets to star in plenty of action movies, too, though she's not usually drop kicking 300-lb. men herself.

    They don't try very hard writing these articles. They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jim Don Bob, @Dave Pinsen, @AnotherDad, @Rosamond Vincy

    They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    Guessing that the “merchant quibbling” gene structure also expresses as the “whiny” phenotype.

    Yes Jews have got one big thing to be sore about–the Holocaust. But they’ll find everything and anything–e.g. the golfocaust–to whine about.

    Jews are obviously over-represented in front of the camera as well as behind. Just not at the crazy levels of writers or studio execs. Which of course makes sense because Hollywood’s Jews are making movies and TV for America’s gentiles so they don’t go with–obvious (explicitly Jewish phenotype)–Jews 24x7x365. That’s called “business”. But if say a 98% gentile nation has say 90% gentile actors … you’ll have some Jews–especially Jewish women–readily available to whine about it. It’s in the DNA.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    Yes Jews have got one big thing to be sore about–the Holocaust.
     
    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
  245. @Trelane
    @George

    Hedy Lamarr was not only beautiful, she was also highly intelligent. She invented a form of radio modulation called "frequency hopping" when she was only 28 years old. This is especially impressive since she had no training (formal or otherwise) in radio engineering and had left school as a teen to pursue an acting career in Berlin. Today, all of our advanced radio techiniques such as cell phones, wifi, satellites and blue tooth use this technology developed by Hedy. Frederick Emmons Terman must have been blown away by this chick. Howard Hughes offered her a job at his aircraft company and I don't blame him. According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    Hedy Lamarr invented frequency hopping in the same way that those black lady mathematicians sent us to the moon. She had an idea for how to do it and worked with a guy who actually had some training and what they came up with was to use the mechanism from a player piano – actually 2 of them. Both the transmitter and the receiver would have to be perfectly synched at the beginning and stay in synch for this to work – any drift and they would be tuned to different frequencies and stop talking to each other. Their “invention” led to zero real world products. When real frequency hopping was perfected decades later it was electronic and had nothing to do with their crude mechanical approach.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Jack D

    Thank you for clarifying this point; Lamarr's idea was brilliant and insightful, but I weary of those who conflate dreaming of an idea with implementing it (the latter is nearly always worlds of magnitude more difficult). Telecommunications is an area of my work, so these kinds of glosses in that context especially irk me; you want to cite geniuses of modern techniques, discuss code-division multiple access, Andrew Viterbi, Antonio Franklin, and Irwin Jacobs – nearly everyone laughed at these guys and their idea. The establishment assured all that CDMA was pysically and mathematically impossible.

    So they implemented it themselves, and now their chips (or chips using the technology they developed) are in every cellular modem on the planet.

    This business that so-and-such female or brown person invented thus-and-so because they once mentioned it as a cool idea is as valid as the contention that Edgar Rice Burroughs invented the means to travel to Mars or Jules Verne invented modern nuclear submarines. It's baloney. Mind you, great artists and authors, especially those who know what they are talking about, such as Heinlein and Asimov did, can indeed serve as catalysts and visionaries whose ideas advance the state of the art, but let's not confuse them with the guys who actually realise those visions.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Jack D


    Hedy Lamarr invented frequency hopping in the same way that those black lady mathematicians sent us to the moon.
     
    Hedy Lamarr did a lot more than those black lady mathematicians, and is not in the same class, even if the extent of her own contribution is vastly exaggerated. She not only showed intellectual creativity and originality in solving a difficult weapons systems technical problem well outside her field of expertise by coming up with an insightful idea that later proved to be very powerful, she showed initiative in partnering with George Antheil and building a workable mechanical prototype, and she actually registered patents.

    Sure, the story is made out to be that Hedy Lamarr invented modern FHSS and practically invented cell phones. It's understandably human to exaggerate the story that way—she was darn good looking.

    But it is also quite unfair to her to compare her to non-entity computational clerks who were merely grinding though numerical methods of approximation to get solutions to differential equations for orbital mechanics that had been known since the time of Newton.

    I bet Hedy Lamarr had at least 20 IQ points on any of those NASA clerks.

  246. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Johanus de Morgateroyde, @Lot, @Patrick Harris, @syonredux, @Art Deco, @biz, @Anonym, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @oddsbodkins, @Malcolm X-Lax, @MSP, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Danindc, @AnotherDad

    Gal Gadot:

    Pretty — Yes
    Cute — Yes
    Womanly figure — No
    Boyish figure — A bit. But no boys are built like that.
    Feminine — Definitely
    MILF — Absolutely
    Makes Another Dad’s eugenic propagation list — Yes
    Gives a flying rat’s ass what any of us think — No
    Status — Laughing all the way to the bank.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    It seems to me that the beauty standard of some men around here is sort of fixated at the 13 year old boy or caveman level - they like women with really big chests. Anything less than 36D is some kind of Jewish conspiracy to make us all gay. Look at classical sculptures of Venus - the ideal of feminine beauty does not involve really big melons.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @AnotherDad

    , @guest
    @AnotherDad

    "But no boys are built like that"

    You miss the point. To say she's boyish doesn't mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.

    Gadot is more masculine than average for a female. That doesn't mean she necessarily looks like a man, though individual features of hers may be mistaken for male in isolation. There are girls who deviate on the other side, as well. There's such a thing as being too feminine; see the babyface phenomenon. The ideal is to have slightly above average femininity. Or masculinity, if you're a man.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @üeljang

  247. @Mikey Darmody
    @J.Ross

    I suppose it is a good recruitment tactic, probably better than the Western style of touting the economic benefits of military service. It would be best to recruit young men by appealing to love of country and desire for glory. However, America may be too debased to hold up as an object of devotion.
    This talk of lady soldiers hearkens back to the Nietzsche thread. He recognized how cruel women can be. Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense. A great play that is proto-Nietzschean and aware of the feminine nature of cruelty and madness is the Bacchae by Euripides:
    “They did attack our herds: you could have seen a woman pull a calf to pieces as it bellowed alive in her bare hands!”

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    “Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense.”

    It’s a pity Kipling’s poems aren’t taught in schools any more. “The Female Of The Species”, “The Vampyre”, “Gods Of The Copybook Headings” and “The Stranger Within My Gate” are almost the complete guide – and warning – to the way we live now.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous Nephew


    It’s a pity Kipling’s poems aren’t taught in schools any more. “The Female Of The Species”, “The Vampyre”, “Gods Of The Copybook Headings” and “The Stranger Within My Gate” are almost the complete guide – and warning – to the way we live now.
     
    Indeed. If schoolboys had to memorize "The Stranger," immigration policy would be rather different:

    The Stranger
    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk--
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control--
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father's belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf--
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.
  248. @Charles Pewitt
    Lynda Carter Is Beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/RealLyndaCarter/status/834780320708837377

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Rifleman, @Neoconned, @Father O'Hara, @William Badwhite, @Robert Dunn

    The Germans were the bad guys even though it was about WW1….

    If i were German id boycott it

    The acting was contrived and like i figuref it was going to be terrible.

    DCs problem is that unlike Marvel most of its characters age terribly.

    W the exception of Batman, Supe and maybe Green Lantern & a few of their minor characters like Lobo they dont have good characters

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Neoconned

    I hate to break this to you, but the Germans WERE the bad guys in WWI too.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  249. @L Woods
    @Opinionator

    Traditionally, yes, they are in fact.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    But they are from Asia.

  250. @guest
    @Charles Pewitt

    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @AnotherGuessModel, @Truth, @TWS, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, …

    … sharp knees. 2/10 would not bang.

  251. @syonredux
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    No, she's pretty; she's just not as beautiful as Lynda Carter was in her prime.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    And of course, Lynda Carter in her prime would hands down, completely outshines Katherine Hepburn in the looks department. Hands down, dear fellow, hands down. Hepburn couldn’t have played such a demanding role as Wonder Woman, while Eva Gardner could have played the role without any noticeable problems.

    Lynda Carter was bona fide beautiful. She had it all. Looks, class, (was originally a high fashion model), simply amazing.

    Carter’s contemporary, Jacklyn Smith, also could’ve played Wonder Woman. She was thinking man’s Angel from Charlie’s Angel. Although hailing from Texas, Miss. Smith was never said to have been part Mexican (or Hispanic for that matter).

  252. @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Are Semites White?
     
    What makes someone a Semite?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hippopotamusdrome

    What makes someone a Semite?

    The nose.

  253. @PiltdownMan
    @Trelane


    According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).
     
    FWIW, Grace Hopper (1906-1992) did not invent computer programming. What she did do, was invent the first compiler while at Univac, which is a landmark achievement in computer science. Grace Hopper was also an early champion of the development of programming languages with English-like commands and syntax, an idea that was also brushed off initially, but proved to be deeply powerful.

    The inventor of computer programming (at least conceptually) was Lady Ada Lovelace (1815-1852). She was Byron's daughter.

    Inconceivable thought it might seem, both women were in a different league, intellectually and in terms magnitude of actual accomplishment, than the genius black ladies who operated the puppet rocket scientists running the space program.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Ah, but the real question regarding Lovelace and Hopper is, were either of these ladies outwardly beautiful? One truism tends to hold that the smarter the woman, the uglier they tend to be (e.g. Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice, Mary, the frumpy semi-ugly duckling of the five Bennett sisters, knowing she can’t compete with her far fairer sisters, decides to concentrate on her smarts and thus possible land a husband).

    Remember, keep the focus on the original point of the article, and that is, could these real life geniuses play Wonder Woman from a physical standpoint?

  254. @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    She’s on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.
     
    Yeah. For a 70-year old woman, she looks fantastic.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Christy Brinkley, looks fabulous for her age (early 60’s), simply fabulous. When Kate was 60, she played Eleanor of Aquataine, exactly why? For her time, the historical Eleanor was beautiful, so typecasting clearly, clearly, was in vogue. The real Eleanor of Aquataine wasn’t old enough to have been Henry II’s mother, per Hepburn and O’Toole.

    Dreadful casting, just dreadful.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    They did have a scene where Hepburn stares in a mirror and laments her lost looks, so they acknowledged it. In think she was cast simply because people wanted to hear Hepburn and O'Toole yell at eachother.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  255. @syonredux

    The Obama Administration sponsored a Census Bureau initiative to carve away part of its white category by creating a separate nonwhite racial category entitled Middle Eastern and North African, which would seemingly include Israelis like Gadot.
     
    Which, when you bear in mind where Gadot's family comes from, is kinda funny:

    Gal was born to a Jewish family in Israel. Her family were Jewish immigrants from Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Germany.
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/gal-gadot

    Replies: @Forbes, @International Jew, @MBlanc46

    And as an old Jewish colleague of mine used to say, “Jews look like where they come from.”

  256. @syonredux
    Some of the critical pieces on the film are a tad....revealing....

    I did not expect to cry during “Wonder Woman.”

    Specifically, I did not expect to tear up during the fight scenes. OK, maybe if Gal Gadot’s Diana, Amazon princess, had given some terrific speech, or if a character I liked had died, but I certainly did not expect to get all misty eyed during the battle scenes.

    But that’s exactly what happened; when Wonder Woman started fighting, out came the waterworks.

    It started on the beach, when Gen. Antiope (Robin Wright) rode into battle with a smile and Queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) leaped off her horse, spinning into the air to wipe out two armed men with her sword. As the battle raged on, it became clear that the scene was not window-dressing, 10 seconds of Amazon showtime before the real movie started. This was the movie — female warriors kicking ass.

    They were fierce and powerful, highly trained soldiers who knew what they were doing, and the film took that, and them, seriously. It was overwhelming.
     

    I felt like I was discovering something I didn’t even know I had always wanted. A need that I had boxed up and buried deep after three movies of Iron Man punching bad guys in the face, three more movies of Captain America punching bad guys in the face, a movie about Superman and Batman punching each other in the face and then “Suicide Squad.”

    Witnessing a woman hold the field, and the camera, for that long blew open an arguably monotonous genre. We didn’t need a computer-generated tree or a sassy raccoon to change the superhero game; what we needed was a woman.

     

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Harry Baldwin, @AnotherDad

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html

    Thanks Syonredux.

    This link is actually more interesting than the Jewish “we’re not ‘white’ we’re the oppressed” and Jewish women whining about “standards of beauty”. Both well trod ground.

    The interesting thing to me was this woman saying she was “in tears” during some of the Wonder Woman fight scenes. It was cathartic for her–apparently she’d been waiting all her life to see woman warriors, competently slaying on the battlefield. And that her reaction was common–the director had heard it many times before and was unsurprised.

    This struck me as a bit weird because the “butt kicking babes” are seriously a trope. They seem to show up everywhere now days. And not just in zones of complete suspension of disbelief, but in places that are at least superficially are supposed to be normal TV/movie “reality”. For me many times it’s just so ridiculous it jerks me out of routine TV/movie suspension of disbelief
    and wrecks the show. (Wonder Woman is better because she is at least a super-hero with super-powers, not some actual normal human 120 lb. woman dispatching 200 lb. tough guys.)

    I think American (and European) life has become so feminized, and so devoid of not just violence, but actual hard heavy physical labor that a lot of women are just completely ignorant of brute physical reality. A lot of women seem truly ignorant of how utterly weak and fragile they are compared to even average men. I’m pretty much dead on average American guy–height, size (a bit more upper body per my size, a bit less leg)–and now even as a geezer I almost never see any woman I couldn’t quickly subdue. (Ok, now I see some really fat ones that probably geezer me couldn’t move after knocking them out.) Young guys who are actually tough and strong? There are no women who would even be in a “fight” with them, they’d just be on the floor unconscious. But apparently a lot of women don’t realize the extreme extent of sexual dimorphism on strength. I guess their boyfriends/husbands have never handled them physically–even just to toss ’em over their shoulder and carry ’em off to bed?

    And what’s weird to me is this intense desire to see this female warrior–a complete fantasy of a competent ass-kicking female warrior. I get the interest in what the other sex can do. When AnotherMom was pregnant–belly bulging out incredibly–I had
    a) a sense of pride in my manhood, that i’d knocked her up and my baby was growing inside her
    but even more profoundly
    b) a sense of wonder at life, at her feminine power, to receive my joy juice, combine with it, and bake it into a beautiful baby inside her.
    But what I didn’t feel was jealously. That I was cheated as a guy because I couldn’t grow a baby myself. Or later, that she had a more intense bond with the kids through pregnancy and nursing. I was grateful–to God, to life, to her–to be a dad, did my dad thing, appreciated it, loved it.

    These women of the West today are nuts. They downplay, dismiss and many forego the one thing they can do not just “much better” than men, but that men can’t do at all. And pine for these bizarre fantasies where they are supreme at doing things that men are so thoroughly superior at that women aren’t even in the same universe. It’s insanity. And it’s part of what’s killing the West.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin, Kylie
    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @AnotherDad

    It's hard to find the video now, but about 5 years ago, Douglas Kennedy got into a contretemps with a couple of female nurses when he was carrying his newborn child into an unauthorized part of the hospital. As I recall the video, a couple of these Avengin' Amazons came barreling up to him in the doorway of an elevator, and began grabbing and slapping at him, trying to..pull the child out of his hands...or deconstruct the patriarchy...or... something. While holding the baby in one arm, Kennedy dropped one of these Fightin' Furies with a knee strike to the gut, and took the other to the ground with a one-handed arm twist. You could almost see the thought balloons form over the nurses' heads as they experienced a moderate amount of male force for the first time in their empowered lives. (Kennedy is a medium-sized fellow whose athletic background probably tends toward tennis and sailing, yet he tossed these delusional dames around in true comic-book fashion.)

    , @PiltdownMan
    @AnotherDad


    And what’s weird to me is this intense desire to see this female warrior–a complete fantasy of a competent ass-kicking female warrior. I get the interest in what the other sex can do. ...
    But what I didn’t feel was jealousy...
     
    Freud took a stab at why women feel that way. But I'm told his theory has been discredited.

    http://tinyurl.com/oqmccnt

    Replies: @anon

  257. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Mikey Darmody

    "Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense."

    It's a pity Kipling's poems aren't taught in schools any more. "The Female Of The Species", "The Vampyre", "Gods Of The Copybook Headings" and "The Stranger Within My Gate" are almost the complete guide - and warning - to the way we live now.

    Replies: @syonredux

    It’s a pity Kipling’s poems aren’t taught in schools any more. “The Female Of The Species”, “The Vampyre”, “Gods Of The Copybook Headings” and “The Stranger Within My Gate” are almost the complete guide – and warning – to the way we live now.

    Indeed. If schoolboys had to memorize “The Stranger,” immigration policy would be rather different:

    The Stranger
    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

  258. @AnotherDad
    @Charles Pewitt

    Gal Gadot:

    Pretty -- Yes
    Cute -- Yes
    Womanly figure -- No
    Boyish figure -- A bit. But no boys are built like that.
    Feminine -- Definitely
    MILF -- Absolutely
    Makes Another Dad's eugenic propagation list -- Yes
    Gives a flying rat's ass what any of us think -- No
    Status -- Laughing all the way to the bank.

    Replies: @Jack D, @guest

    It seems to me that the beauty standard of some men around here is sort of fixated at the 13 year old boy or caveman level – they like women with really big chests. Anything less than 36D is some kind of Jewish conspiracy to make us all gay. Look at classical sculptures of Venus – the ideal of feminine beauty does not involve really big melons.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Jack D

    You've set up a strawman. I, for one, did bring up breasts, but if you'll look at my original beauty post I talked about nothing but her face. There hasn't really been much boob talk on this thread, given the subject matter.

    I would trust the 13 year-old perspective on this issue, by the way. Presuming they've reached puberty and aren't still in the coodies phase. Which isn't to say there's no refinement to be done on basic animal attraction when setting up standards of beauty. But let us not pretend we're talking about sunsets or what-have-you. Feminine and masculine beauty are founded in sex, and that is founded deep within the brain.

    You're never going to convince regular people men who look like women and women who look like men are the best-looking men and women. But propaganda can get you a long way, and people can become mightily confused. Not so much 13 year-olds who haven't yet had their natural instincts sufficiently suppressed.

    Every supermodel ever has told stories about how they were the ugly duckling in junior high and high school, and the way these stories are told to us, it's like we're not supposed to believe them. Either that, or we're supposed to think it was an injustice. But I've always found adolescence to be unusually just on this issue. And that's coming from someone who had an awkward puberty. I have no trouble believing the stories. Because they're often ugly and freakish now, or at least below the feminine ideal, so why not back then? And the 13 year-olds were more honest for pointing it out, as opposed to the general public who pretends people like Gisele Brady and Cindy Crawford are beautiful.

    (There have been suggestions that these models might have been late bloomers, but that's not the case. Because they never bloom, first of all. Also, because they usually were quick growers, which is why they get picked to be models when they're 16 or whatever. Because scouts look out for beanpole 16 year-olds.)

    , @guest
    @Jack D

    By the way, Venus was the Goddess of Love and Beauty, not the Goddess of Perfect Breasts. There's no reason to assume that in any particular work of art, even one where the artist represents feminine beauty, the artist is necessarily trying to depict what he finds personally most attractive. Nor what he thinks his audience should ideally be most attracted to. Such thinking has led to all sorts of nonsense about supposedly divergent beauty standards in olden times.

    That being said, I find classical Venuses to be more attractive than Gal Gadot.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Anything less than 36D is some kind of Jewish conspiracy to make us all gay.
     
    "It's not the Jews, it's the gay Jews!" (To rip off Garry Shandling.)

    It seems to me that the beauty standard of some men around here is sort of fixated at the 13 year old boy or caveman level – they like women with really big chests.
     
    LOL. I think even at 13, I had a pretty solid idea of what made women "attractive" and a "really big chest"--while certainly piquing a boy's interest--was definitely not required.

    My post was an attempt to put the ridiculous Gal Gadot "not pretty" nonsense to rest. She's obviously pretty, cute, attractive--and doesn't care what we think while she enjoys her family and counts her Hollywood loot.

    But since you're insisting Jack, my tongue doesn't hang out around girls with big chests that arrive minutes before they do, nor am I even a Linda Carter fan. Why I wrote:


    Boyish figure -- A bit. But no boys are built like that.
     
    is because her figure is indeed a bit straighter through the torso than the female norm.

    Since i'd never heard of her, the first thing I did--typical guy that the gay Jews haven't corrupted yet--was an image search. And her not super curvy torso shows up in several images:

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=FKYHoc%2b2&id=37FEF7DBF780CCDC2A7C36B8964007B1DB7D1B6F&thid=OIP.FKYHoc-2NAdt3LSJjEWtRwDtEs&q=gal+gadot&simid=607989236868907960&selectedIndex=17&ajaxhist=0

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=CgQv3VV0&id=E57A9D10D2B8FD020805D92B56B86AC52D7DAECF&thid=OIP.CgQv3VV0HBK47rlQeqMESgEsEF&q=gal+gadot&simid=608024691825445562&selectedIndex=55&ajaxhist=0

    The gist of it is that she doesn't curve quickly from hips/ass to a trim waist, but rather her waist is higher, she stays "thicker" longer and hence there's more "straightness" to her through the mid section. In contrast the woman i'm most familiar with--AnotherMom--while with three kids and a lot of years is way less fit than Gal, nonetheless curves in much more sharply from hips/ass to waist. (I.e. she has a more "womanly" figure. No one would say "boyish figure".) My youngest--a runner--has a rockin' bikini body, which i'd say is objectively superior to Gal's and it's not because her chest is any bigger. It's because she curves incredibly from her hips to a tight trim waist.

    Sorry Jack, Gal is fit, feminine and attractive. But "curvy" is just not her killer feature. And it doesn't take a big boob man to feel this way. Even more of an "ass man" like myself picks up on it.

  259. @Neoconned
    @Charles Pewitt

    The Germans were the bad guys even though it was about WW1....

    If i were German id boycott it

    The acting was contrived and like i figuref it was going to be terrible.

    DCs problem is that unlike Marvel most of its characters age terribly.

    W the exception of Batman, Supe and maybe Green Lantern & a few of their minor characters like Lobo they dont have good characters

    Replies: @Jack D

    I hate to break this to you, but the Germans WERE the bad guys in WWI too.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    I hate to break this to you, but the Germans WERE the bad guys in WWI too.
     
    True. But so were the Austrians, Russians, French and British.

    The Germans were the most aggressive in bringing on the war, but all these folks contributed with massive, arrogant, clueless misbehavior.

    This isn't the place for a big "Great War" debate, but one idea I want to push out to my fellow Americans, is that they are steeped in the Anglo-Saxon perspective and a lot of "Great War" thinking is retconned the (real) World War. And because of this I think we miss an important piece of the puzzle:

    A big part of what led to the 20th century wars was British and French imperialism. These nations had essentially "sewn up" a good portion of the world, locking out the commercial interests of other nations. And this system had no good way to accommodate a rising Germany.

    I'd argue--a counter factual--that if the world system had been the open free trade system that America imposed after the War--which widened with decolonization--then a rising Germany's interests would have been accommodated without war. These wars were essentially the Germans--late to the nationalist party--attempt to get out of a "junior" role and push aside its bossy older brothers, who'd already grabbed up all the goodies.
  260. Anonymous [AKA "CKK"] says:

    Phoebe Cates is a close second.

  261. @Rifleman
    @Charles Pewitt

    Now the important question is - Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Carter

    Carter was born in Phoenix, Arizona, the daughter of Juanita (née Córdova) and Colby Carter.

    Her father is of English and Scots-Irish ancestry, and her mother, whose family hailed from Mexico, is of Mexican, Spanish and French descent

    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bach

    Bach was born in Warren, Ohio, the daughter of Norma Jean Kucera (née Verdugo), an acupuncturist, and Bernard Bachman, a rancher.

    Her mother was of Mexican descent and her father was of German ancestry.

    Or Raquel Welch?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch

    Welch was born as Jo-Raquel Tejada on September 5, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois.

    Her father, Armando Carlos Tejada Urquizo (1911–1976), was an aeronautical engineer from La Paz, Bolivia, born to Agustin Tejada and Raquel Urquizo; Welch was named after her paternal grandmother.

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @englishmike, @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

    I’m afraid you rather lost me at the end. Who, or what, “dated back to the Mayflower”?

  262. @Anonymous
    Superhero comics have always been half-assed quasi-Marxist and Freudian propaganda put out by Jews.

    In the “good old days” of 1941, Captain America was a white man who was developed into a “superhero” because Adolf Hitler – The Most Evil Man Who Ever Lived – was trying to take over the planet and enslave all of humanity with the help of Stygian figures representative of necrosis and human sadism like the Red Skull.

    “Superman” was a hokey, buffoonish creation – presented as a misunderstood, but eminently superior, alien specimen who hailed from a planet where everybody coincidentally had a Hebraic name. A nice Jewish gentleman created the character, so as to convey to silly goy slobs that they should get beyond their natural jealousies and accept their basic moral and mental and physical inferiorities in the face of the Alien interlopers who are their natural betters.

    Batman was portrayed as an adult man who dresses up in what can only be described as leather fetish outfits and hangs around a catamite “boy wonder” who never leaves his side.

    We don’t even need to get into the retro torture-porn chic that was the output of EC Comics to recognize what this medium always represented at the popular cultural/mass distribution level.

    Superhero comics are 1) Jewish 2) Gay 3) Basically steeped in Communist moral metaphors. Yeah, that’s interesting to note – it’s also been the case for about a century.

    Replies: @syonredux

    “Superman” was a hokey, buffoonish creation – presented as a misunderstood, but eminently superior, alien specimen who hailed from a planet where everybody coincidentally had a Hebraic name. A nice Jewish gentleman created the character, so as to convey to silly goy slobs that they should get beyond their natural jealousies and accept their basic moral and mental and physical inferiorities in the face of the Alien interlopers who are their natural betters.

    Superman is Philip Wylie’s Gladiator (the basic power-set: super stength, speed, bullet-proof skin, etc), plus elements from Edgar Rice Burroughs’ John Carter (travelling to another planet makes you more powerful) and Tarzan (alien raised by another species).

  263. @Stan Adams
    @Stan Adams

    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn't even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it's called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don't even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one - Discovery, is it? - will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing - a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis - that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven't seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don't want to know. I don't want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There's at least one man who hasn't - me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I'm not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I'm merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor's The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie - and I'm no Randite, believe me. It's one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn't like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn't like the statuary. Vidor's Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery - icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper's long, hard drill - is only icing on the cake.



    There will never be another movie like Vidor's Fountainhead. Oh, there'll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won't have Cooper's wooden line deliveries, or Neal's ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it's anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it'll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There'll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there'll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They'll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he'll probably be a Brit, and he'll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won't have a mustache, and he won't be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won't be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren't that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant's Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from - and inferior to - the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie's cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don't hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn't seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn't dream of touching himself. He's a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together "in bed," she whispers the last two words as if they're some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character - it shows us that she's a gossip. (A certain kind of woman - an older busybody type - has always enjoyed whispering about other people's dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she's a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can't scream to save her life.

    Psycho '98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type "comedy" that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock's classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I'll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he's too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    "Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive," he'll say. "Why couldn't I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?"

    "Kid," I'll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, "that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything."

    We'll see.

    Replies: @guest, @Anonymous, @Bob Smith of Suburbia, @Kylie

    “Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There’s at least one man who hasn’t – me.”
    And at least one woman–me.

  264. @AnotherDad
    @guest


    They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.
     
    Guessing that the "merchant quibbling" gene structure also expresses as the "whiny" phenotype.

    Yes Jews have got one big thing to be sore about--the Holocaust. But they'll find everything and anything--e.g. the golfocaust--to whine about.

    Jews are obviously over-represented in front of the camera as well as behind. Just not at the crazy levels of writers or studio execs. Which of course makes sense because Hollywood's Jews are making movies and TV for America's gentiles so they don't go with--obvious (explicitly Jewish phenotype)--Jews 24x7x365. That's called "business". But if say a 98% gentile nation has say 90% gentile actors ... you'll have some Jews--especially Jewish women--readily available to whine about it. It's in the DNA.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Yes Jews have got one big thing to be sore about–the Holocaust.

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

  265. @Joe Walker
    @syonredux

    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Jack D

    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.

    Not that foreign. Europeans and Middle Easterners are very closely related.

  266. Perhaps relevant: The ubiquitous Jewish women around here in the NYC metro area use a lot of blonde hair coloring. That is to say, their expensive, gay hairdressers use it on them.

    Trying to look like somebody else?

    Well, every girl does that, but an awful lot of this type here are trying their best to look like hot shiksas. Some succeed very well! One can’t complain.

    Lots of plastic surgery too. Boob jobs and yoga pants abound…

  267. @Romanian
    @syonredux

    Maybe the supposed ancestors could have been leuko-ethiopians, which was apparently a thing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Aethiopians

    People generally forget that, before the outward expansion of the Europeans throughout the world, there was also a massive contraction, in a few phases. Think of the Arabs overrunning the Middle East and Christian North Africa and, later, the Turkic conquest of Anatolia.

    Or the displacement of many tribes, including the classical Bulgarians, from Central Asia, under pressure from Asiatic migratory peoples. Or their destruction.

    These are paradigm changes that ripple onwards in time. The final cleansing of the Christian (and the most European) elements of Turkey and the Middle East took place in the early 20th century and is now undergoing a mopping up operation. Consider Lebanon's demographic transformation based on the inflow of outsiders and, now, the fertility differentials.

    So, there were once White (ish?) Africans in Ethiopia and now the have been subsumed by another race or simply lost their former countenance because of selection. What will Turkey look like in a few hundred years? Or Eastern Europe, given the gypsy element? Or Western Europe.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Yeah. Here’s Snowden on the topic:

    The assumption that a majority of the inhabitants of north Africa such as Numidians, Gaetulians, and Moors, were blacks, is also contradicted by the ancient evidence. Classical accounts clearly distinguish between the light-skinned inhabitants of coastal northwest Africa and the darker Ethiopians who lived on the southern fringes of the area. The ancient sources also point to the presence in northwest Africa of mixed black-white types, strongly suggested by names such as Libyoaethiopes (Libyan Ethiopians), Leucoaethiopes (white Ethiopians) and Melanogeatuli (black Gaetulians), a kind of intermediate population, an amalgam of whites and Ethiopians, and by the descriptions of the Garamantes, classified in some classical texts as Ethiopians but distinguished from Ethiopians by others. [15] Classical accounts of the physical features of northwest Africans are amply confirmed by the iconographical evidence. Mosaics, sculpture in the round, and other art objects from northwest Africa depict the inhabitants as predominantly white and portray relatively few blacks, far fewer than in the art of the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans.

    http://library.howard.edu/content.php?pid=554250

  268. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    "What makes someone a Semite", you ask?

    A: A mommy Semite and a daddy Semite. In fact, it's Semites all the way down.

    Replies: @syonredux

    “What makes someone a Semite”, you ask?

    A: A mommy Semite and a daddy Semite. In fact, it’s Semites all the way down.

    A linguist would say that a Semite is someone who speaks a Semitic language as his native tongue…

  269. @Anonymous
    @Rifleman

    Since some Mexicans are entirely White-most Spaniards, but a few Poles, Czechs and Germans and a smattering of Mennonites-"Mexican" descent is absolute proof of nothing.

    Bach to me seems entirely white whereas Welch looks a little, but very little mestiza. I'd categorize the (once) very fine singers Linda Ronstadt and Vikki Carr as "light mestizas". I'd be the first to say my eye for these things is not world class, though.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Bach to me seems entirely white whereas Welch looks a little, but very little mestiza.

    Nah. To my eye, she looks like a mix of Northern and Southern European.

  270. @Rifleman
    @Charles Pewitt

    Now the important question is - Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Carter

    Carter was born in Phoenix, Arizona, the daughter of Juanita (née Córdova) and Colby Carter.

    Her father is of English and Scots-Irish ancestry, and her mother, whose family hailed from Mexico, is of Mexican, Spanish and French descent

    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bach

    Bach was born in Warren, Ohio, the daughter of Norma Jean Kucera (née Verdugo), an acupuncturist, and Bernard Bachman, a rancher.

    Her mother was of Mexican descent and her father was of German ancestry.

    Or Raquel Welch?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch

    Welch was born as Jo-Raquel Tejada on September 5, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois.

    Her father, Armando Carlos Tejada Urquizo (1911–1976), was an aeronautical engineer from La Paz, Bolivia, born to Agustin Tejada and Raquel Urquizo; Welch was named after her paternal grandmother.

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @englishmike, @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Now the important question is – Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?
    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.
    Or Raquel Welch?

    Based on phenotype? Absolutely.
    Based on genotype? White enough.

    All three are cordially invited to reside in any future Hyperborean ethno-state over which I may rule. Just sayin’.

  271. @Joe Walker
    @syonredux

    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Jack D

    Jews have been in Europe longer than some of the local “European” populations that arrived from the east (Central Asia) after Roman times. White people are called “Caucasians” or “Aryans” – this refers to Asian lands that are further from Europe than Israel is.

    Today’s Arabs have considerable African admixture from all the slave women. The original population of the area probably looked more like Bashar Assad – in other words “white”. The real mutants are people with blonde hair in adulthood. Light skin is a common adaptation for northern latitudes and people with light skin often have light hair as infants but it usually darkens in adulthood. Blonde hair was probably some kind of sexual selection evolutionary “trick” to make females look younger than they really were. Blonde hair is something that is confined to one corner of Northern Europe – even most Europeans don’t have it. Even most Nazis didn’t have it.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    Blonde hair is something that is confined to one corner of Northern Europe
     
    If by “confined” you mean exclusive to, that’s a pretty big “corner.” If the maps below are at all accurate, there is significant blondness over a huge area from the British Isles and Scandinavia down through the Continental alpine regions and east to Russia.

    In modern times, there are plenty of actual blond(e)s in continents that Northern Europeans colonized and settled.

    http://imgur.com/gallery/5mnYzMf

    http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/214-the-blonde-map-of-europe

    http://orig15.deviantart.net/c2f1/f/2014/252/f/4/blonde_hair_map_by_schrodinger_excidium-d7yjja3.png

  272. @Mikey Darmody
    It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather..... Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @International Jew, @Moshe, @englishmike

    How does this square with some people’s claims that the Jews aren’t attracted to their own women?

    Sigmund Freud once told me that is because men are secretly attracted to something in a woman that reminds them of their mother. But in Jewish men this creates a cognitive dissonance that explains their susceptibility to neurosis. He wanted to call this the Portnoy Complex, but was anxious about being too far ahead of his time. You don’t believe me, do you?

    • Replies: @Mikey Darmody
    @englishmike

    Haha words you will only hear in reference to novelists or nannies: "I prefer Englishwomen'

  273. @Autochthon
    @J.Ross

    It's Kat Dennings v. Milana "AT&T&A" Vayntru in a dead heat for the Most Beautiful Jewess in the World...or at least Hollywood (although Vayntrub's values are apparently hideous...but what do you expect from one of the Parasite People...).

    Speaking of goofy propaganda about Jews and beauty in stupid comic-book movies: The idea that Thor was utterly beguiled by Portman's Jane whilst Kat Dennings' character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief, even in a film about superheroes. Although both actresses are Jewesses, so in this case it was clearly a matter of Portman's greater star-power or whatever (not that Portman is unattractive; she's just no Kat Dennings...).

    Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown, @guest

    Kat Dennings

    Come to think of it, the first thing I did after seeing Thor (2011) was hit up IMDB.com to identify the sexy high-contrast brunette who played Natalie Portman’s quirky friend.

    whilst Kat Dennings’ character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief

    IIRC, during said bemoaning, she was practically knocking over set pieces with her cans.
    ***sigh***
    Regardless, that sitcom she’s on now is terrible. I have a hard time looking away, but the writing is really, really bad.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Ain't nobody watching that show for the writing...and the producers probably know it ("Why waste talented writers where they aren't needed? Reassign those guys to shows with Lena Dunham; Kat Dennings has the ratings for her show locked in even for deaf people without closed captioning...").

  274. @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Charles Pewitt

    Do a Google image search of "Gal Godot," as I just did. Wanted to see for myself. Conclusion: Smoking hot.

    Replies: @englishmike, @Malcolm X-Lax

    Do a Google image search of “Gal Godot,” as I just did.

    I followed your advice. All I got was pics of Samuel Beckett and theatrical stuff.
    You don’t believe me, do you?

  275. @The Z Blog
    @RedHeadedStranger

    I'm not sure which would be worse for you. Is it that you think this line of attack is original or that you think anyone will fall for it?

    Regardless, you should ask Potter Stewart.

    Replies: @RedHeadedStranger

    It wasn’t a “line of attack” but an honest question. Sorry if you felt “triggered”. I’ll ask my question elsewhere, then. I just thought that since Steve has a reputation for being fact-based, I might get pointed in the right direction. Never mind, I’ll ask elsewhere. Enjoy your Intellectual Superiority.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    @RedHeadedStranger

    No, it was not honest in the least. Your reply makes that quite clear. It's the Prog tactic of keeping the ficus on their enemy at all costs. Here, you could have replied any number of ways, but instead you implied that I was acting irrationally (triggered) and that Sailer is not acting from a basis of fact. It's standard passive-aggressive Prog rhetoric. There's nothing honest about it.

    You should try this out at Brietbart. There are people there more your speed.

  276. @üeljang
    @RedHeadedStranger

    "Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv ."

    One must be quite obtuse to label a woman who is evidently at least half White as "an Asian woman."

    Replies: @RedHeadedStranger

    I got that picture by Googling “asian actresses”. It was one of six or seven and that’s the one I chose. Apparently I should have specified “racially pure”. My bad.

  277. @Truth
    @Arclight


    Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender…
     
    ...%95...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNJgXcqSAg

    Replies: @guest

    I would be surprised if she were a transsexual. What that guy’s noticing is not the Illuminati’s secret army of celebrity he-she’s. It’s higher culture preference for masculine-looking women.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @guest

    Well that explanation certainly makes the idea of what they are doing; strike that, the VERY OBVIOUS idea of what they are doing, seem plausible.

  278. @Jack D
    @Joe Walker

    Jews have been in Europe longer than some of the local "European" populations that arrived from the east (Central Asia) after Roman times. White people are called "Caucasians" or "Aryans" - this refers to Asian lands that are further from Europe than Israel is.

    Today's Arabs have considerable African admixture from all the slave women. The original population of the area probably looked more like Bashar Assad - in other words "white". The real mutants are people with blonde hair in adulthood. Light skin is a common adaptation for northern latitudes and people with light skin often have light hair as infants but it usually darkens in adulthood. Blonde hair was probably some kind of sexual selection evolutionary "trick" to make females look younger than they really were. Blonde hair is something that is confined to one corner of Northern Europe - even most Europeans don't have it. Even most Nazis didn't have it.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Blonde hair is something that is confined to one corner of Northern Europe

    If by “confined” you mean exclusive to, that’s a pretty big “corner.” If the maps below are at all accurate, there is significant blondness over a huge area from the British Isles and Scandinavia down through the Continental alpine regions and east to Russia.

    In modern times, there are plenty of actual blond(e)s in continents that Northern Europeans colonized and settled.

    http://imgur.com/gallery/5mnYzMf

    http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/214-the-blonde-map-of-europe

  279. @AnotherDad
    @Charles Pewitt

    Gal Gadot:

    Pretty -- Yes
    Cute -- Yes
    Womanly figure -- No
    Boyish figure -- A bit. But no boys are built like that.
    Feminine -- Definitely
    MILF -- Absolutely
    Makes Another Dad's eugenic propagation list -- Yes
    Gives a flying rat's ass what any of us think -- No
    Status -- Laughing all the way to the bank.

    Replies: @Jack D, @guest

    “But no boys are built like that”

    You miss the point. To say she’s boyish doesn’t mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.

    Gadot is more masculine than average for a female. That doesn’t mean she necessarily looks like a man, though individual features of hers may be mistaken for male in isolation. There are girls who deviate on the other side, as well. There’s such a thing as being too feminine; see the babyface phenomenon. The ideal is to have slightly above average femininity. Or masculinity, if you’re a man.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @guest


    You miss the point. To say she’s boyish doesn’t mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.
     
    No point missing on my part. See my response to JackD.

    You and Jack are the ones who are confused--in your respective ways--about my response. And I don't think it's a failure in what I wrote. Gal's attractive, but has less feminine curvature--straighter mid-torso--than the norm:

    Womanly figure — No
    Boyish figure — A bit. But no boys are built like that.
     
    Frankly--being down here at the beach (well actually up this weekend visiting my boy in Savannah) AnotherMom's ideal not mine--any gal who is fit, not fat and without tats pretty much qualifies as "hot". It's a nightmare what modern young women have done to themselves.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @guest

    , @üeljang
    @guest

    "There are girls who deviate on the other side, as well. There’s such a thing as being too feminine; see the babyface phenomenon."

    "Babyface" is not "feminine." This is a misunderstanding that I encounter too often these days to let pass without mention.

    In an adult human (and any non-human ape as well), a large, broad, round, flattish face, such as is often called "babyface" in common parlance, is masculine (andromorphic).

    Feminine features include:

    *A relatively narrow lower face
    *Low cheekbones (which contribute to the former)
    *Large eyes, nose, and mouth relative to the total surface area of the face
    *High color contrast

    Low cheekbones, large eyes, and high color contrast might be features that are shared with a baby's face, but the overall shape and proportions of a baby's face are more similar to a masculine adult face than to a feminine adult face.

    Replies: @guest

  280. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Hmmm. She’s rather fine looking for an Amazon warrior. Don’t let the fact that she’s Israeli distort your perception of aesthetics. :)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Walker, @BB753

    She’s a bit lacking in the breasts department, which is a handicap when portraying Wonder Woman. And in other everyday situations.

  281. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    It seems to me that the beauty standard of some men around here is sort of fixated at the 13 year old boy or caveman level - they like women with really big chests. Anything less than 36D is some kind of Jewish conspiracy to make us all gay. Look at classical sculptures of Venus - the ideal of feminine beauty does not involve really big melons.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @AnotherDad

    You’ve set up a strawman. I, for one, did bring up breasts, but if you’ll look at my original beauty post I talked about nothing but her face. There hasn’t really been much boob talk on this thread, given the subject matter.

    I would trust the 13 year-old perspective on this issue, by the way. Presuming they’ve reached puberty and aren’t still in the coodies phase. Which isn’t to say there’s no refinement to be done on basic animal attraction when setting up standards of beauty. But let us not pretend we’re talking about sunsets or what-have-you. Feminine and masculine beauty are founded in sex, and that is founded deep within the brain.

    You’re never going to convince regular people men who look like women and women who look like men are the best-looking men and women. But propaganda can get you a long way, and people can become mightily confused. Not so much 13 year-olds who haven’t yet had their natural instincts sufficiently suppressed.

    Every supermodel ever has told stories about how they were the ugly duckling in junior high and high school, and the way these stories are told to us, it’s like we’re not supposed to believe them. Either that, or we’re supposed to think it was an injustice. But I’ve always found adolescence to be unusually just on this issue. And that’s coming from someone who had an awkward puberty. I have no trouble believing the stories. Because they’re often ugly and freakish now, or at least below the feminine ideal, so why not back then? And the 13 year-olds were more honest for pointing it out, as opposed to the general public who pretends people like Gisele Brady and Cindy Crawford are beautiful.

    (There have been suggestions that these models might have been late bloomers, but that’s not the case. Because they never bloom, first of all. Also, because they usually were quick growers, which is why they get picked to be models when they’re 16 or whatever. Because scouts look out for beanpole 16 year-olds.)

  282. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    @Autochthon


    Kat Dennings
     
    Come to think of it, the first thing I did after seeing Thor (2011) was hit up IMDB.com to identify the sexy high-contrast brunette who played Natalie Portman's quirky friend.

    whilst Kat Dennings’ character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief
     
    IIRC, during said bemoaning, she was practically knocking over set pieces with her cans.
    ***sigh***
    Regardless, that sitcom she's on now is terrible. I have a hard time looking away, but the writing is really, really bad.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    Ain’t nobody watching that show for the writing…and the producers probably know it (“Why waste talented writers where they aren’t needed? Reassign those guys to shows with Lena Dunham; Kat Dennings has the ratings for her show locked in even for deaf people without closed captioning…”).

  283. So being unattractive is now a stereotype? Figures. Worthless degrees lead to more ignorance than illiteracy apparently. There’s nothing more topical and current than a Wonder Woman movie where she’s fighting Germans, but in a strange twist its WWI. But even though she could go toe-to-toe with Superman in a fight, Wonder Woman can still use a man for a meaningless love affair that ends in tragedy. Fortunately, Wonder Woman was made in clay and brought to life by Zeus, so someday we may see a film that’s worth watching starring this character. Its making money though, cause this is Summer and the other films are dumber than this one.

  284. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @Stealth, @International Jew, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Anon7, @Chris Mallory, @Jay Fink, @Right wing Jew, @Marcus, @Robert Dunn

    I took my daughter to see it this morning. One thing I noticed, when before “Diana” took the mantle and when she was in her “secret identity”, her skin seemed to have much more of an olive tone. When she was in WW mode, her skin appeared, to me anyway, to be lighter.

  285. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Anyone cares to comment on General Erich von Ludendorff, the villain in this movie, who kicked allied ass on the real Eastern and Western Fronts for 4 years until his mental breakdown in Sep. 1918 and lost two stepsons in the war, unlike todays abhorrent presidential draft-dodgers and drone-kings. I’ d pay good money to watch a serious biopic about that guy!

  286. @Autochthon
    @J.Ross

    It's Kat Dennings v. Milana "AT&T&A" Vayntru in a dead heat for the Most Beautiful Jewess in the World...or at least Hollywood (although Vayntrub's values are apparently hideous...but what do you expect from one of the Parasite People...).

    Speaking of goofy propaganda about Jews and beauty in stupid comic-book movies: The idea that Thor was utterly beguiled by Portman's Jane whilst Kat Dennings' character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief, even in a film about superheroes. Although both actresses are Jewesses, so in this case it was clearly a matter of Portman's greater star-power or whatever (not that Portman is unattractive; she's just no Kat Dennings...).

    Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown, @guest

    Kat Dennings has an underwhelming to slightly off-putting face for my taste, but I too have been struck by the oddness of her status in Hollywood. Being in the “less attractive friend” role makes some sense, if she’s going to be a comedic actress, which I guess she is, and if she doesn’t look like a leading lady, which she doesn’t. (Notvthat what passes for a leading lady is up to traditional standards of beauty.) But they should at least acknowledge that she’s attractive, aside from joking about her oversized boobs.

    Even when she played the romantic lead in one movie, she was stuck circling a definitely un-alpha loser and ended up with an at best middle of the roader. The whole time I’m thinking why aren’t more guys hitting on her? You can’t pass her off in the Kristen Stewart everygirl role.

    The AT&T&A girl has been miscast, too. You can’t tell what kind of body she has in those commercials. I required a dozen viewings before I noticed her rack. Then I saw her in a primetime soap, and she was playing the geeky second-fiddle love interest. Why? At least on Silicon Valley she was a sexpot, though she was part of a weird Satanic church.

  287. @RedHeadedStranger
    This discussion seems to have veered away from talking about the movie and toward discussions of who is and is not Jewish and whether or not Jews should be considered White (Caucasian) and which Jewish or part-Jewish actress is prettiest.

    That being the case, maybe you folks can help me out with something.

    Most of the articles I read on the internet, when they deal with matters of race, refer to people as being white or black or yellow or brown. Other than using a Pantene scale, though, nobody seems to know exactly who should be considered a member of which race.

    Alec Wek https://tinyurl.com/ydeej2yw is a very black model.

    Iman https://tinyurl.com/yarsycrm is another black model, also from Africa but of lighter skin tone and a very Caucasian-style nose.

    Halle Berry claims to be black (the "one drop" theory?) but she's got a very light tan complexion, a very straight nose and (unless she's big on wigs) does not sport the tightly curled hair associated with the stereotypical black woman.

    This picture https://tinyurl.com/ybhm32eq I found by Googling "scandinavian blonde women".

    Somewhere out there -- sorry, I couldn't find it -- is a picture series/album that some photographer put together of women all over the world. The various skin tones blend into each other, some have thin lips while others have thick ones, thin noses and flat noses...

    In a world where people talk about religions (Jewish, most obviously) as though they were races and where it's often impossible to tell one "race" from another what is a polite fellow to do? Especially since, in today's world, it's so easy for people to "take offense" over being mis-identified?

    Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv .

    Help a guy out?

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @üeljang, @Stan Adams

    “White” covers a lot of ground.

    The good folks on this board can narrow it down a bit, and tell you if you’re Nordid, Dalo-Faelid, Atlantid, Baltid, Borreby, Brunn, Mediterranid, or whatever:
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?25-Taxonomy

    Note that I’m not endorsing the site. I don’t post there myself. But it is interesting to read through some of the threads.

  288. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Trelane
    @George

    Hedy Lamarr was not only beautiful, she was also highly intelligent. She invented a form of radio modulation called "frequency hopping" when she was only 28 years old. This is especially impressive since she had no training (formal or otherwise) in radio engineering and had left school as a teen to pursue an acting career in Berlin. Today, all of our advanced radio techiniques such as cell phones, wifi, satellites and blue tooth use this technology developed by Hedy. Frederick Emmons Terman must have been blown away by this chick. Howard Hughes offered her a job at his aircraft company and I don't blame him. According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    While reasonably intelligent, more so than average really, Lamarr did not really “invent” frequency hopping-she along with many others imagined it, and she happened to be the one to file patent papers. Her actual scheme would never have really worked.

    Otherwise perfectly legitimate inventions have had their patents minimized or invalidated based on “prior art” that consisted of passages in science fiction pulp novels, or in at least one case, MAD magazine.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Anonymous

    Thank you! I really wish we could get the public layman to understand that patenting an invention does not require that the invention actually function as it is speculated to in the patent, or that so much as even a prototype made with popsicle-sticks has ever been made.

    This outfit can be – and something like it probably has been – patented. Those who think the patent is particularly significant are invited to test the invention for themselves. (When I taught, I used to keep a slew of preposterous patents on file to reinforce the point to my students, but I don't have any of them handy anymore.)

    Replies: @Karl

  289. @Opinionator
    @guest

    "bump in nose"??

    Replies: @guest

    That’s how I put it, though maybe that’s not correct. I’m not an expert on nose shape. But as I said in another post, high fashion models are supposed to have both noses that stand out and deep indentations where the nose meets the brow.* This at least makes it appear as though they have bumps in the ridge of their noses.

    Look at Gadot’s face in profile. You’ll see what I mean. If there’s a better term for it than a bump, I’ll gladly adopt it.

    *Presumably because that’s how men’s faces work, and the fashion industry is run by homos. I can’t think of any other explanation.

  290. @Jack D
    @Trelane

    Hedy Lamarr invented frequency hopping in the same way that those black lady mathematicians sent us to the moon. She had an idea for how to do it and worked with a guy who actually had some training and what they came up with was to use the mechanism from a player piano - actually 2 of them. Both the transmitter and the receiver would have to be perfectly synched at the beginning and stay in synch for this to work - any drift and they would be tuned to different frequencies and stop talking to each other. Their "invention" led to zero real world products. When real frequency hopping was perfected decades later it was electronic and had nothing to do with their crude mechanical approach.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @PiltdownMan

    Thank you for clarifying this point; Lamarr’s idea was brilliant and insightful, but I weary of those who conflate dreaming of an idea with implementing it (the latter is nearly always worlds of magnitude more difficult). Telecommunications is an area of my work, so these kinds of glosses in that context especially irk me; you want to cite geniuses of modern techniques, discuss code-division multiple access, Andrew Viterbi, Antonio Franklin, and Irwin Jacobs – nearly everyone laughed at these guys and their idea. The establishment assured all that CDMA was pysically and mathematically impossible.

    So they implemented it themselves, and now their chips (or chips using the technology they developed) are in every cellular modem on the planet.

    This business that so-and-such female or brown person invented thus-and-so because they once mentioned it as a cool idea is as valid as the contention that Edgar Rice Burroughs invented the means to travel to Mars or Jules Verne invented modern nuclear submarines. It’s baloney. Mind you, great artists and authors, especially those who know what they are talking about, such as Heinlein and Asimov did, can indeed serve as catalysts and visionaries whose ideas advance the state of the art, but let’s not confuse them with the guys who actually realise those visions.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Autochthon

    So Hedy Lamarr was closer to "I am Tondelayo" than she was to scientific genius.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  291. @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Charles Pewitt

    Do a Google image search of "Gal Godot," as I just did. Wanted to see for myself. Conclusion: Smoking hot.

    Replies: @englishmike, @Malcolm X-Lax

    If I were a more established commentor here, I would have LOL’d, because that’s what I did.

  292. @Moshe
    @Mikey Darmody

    When I lived in Israel it was as an American and I was not in the army. I could have been but I was terrified of losing some kind of celestial battle and ending up as a jobnik rather than working intelligence or infantry.

    Anyhow, I, and my foreign colleagues who actually were in uniform, found the Israeli soldier girls breathtaking. It almost looked like they were ALL literally stunning, which obviously could not have been the case.

    I never quite analyzed it but I guess it has to do with the fact that they're all physically fit and that being in the army doesn't detract from their femininity because ALL girls are in the army, so their self confidence doesn't effect their natural submissveness to men.

    Or something like that.

    As for American women in the army. Yes, most look like dogs but not all.

    I ----

    Oh no, I was about to mention a girl I knew going into the marines when I worked near 29 palms but I looked her name up and---- either it's not her (it's been a decade) of maybe women don't improve with age.

    Okay!

    Next topic.


    How does this square with some people’s claims that the Jews aren’t attracted to their own women?
     
    I can guess at one element in play and can speak more personally to another.

    My guess is that back in the immigrant days shiksas who could afford the lifestyle and makeup to look pretty looked better than Jewish washerwomen and also promised a better life, obviously enhancing their prettiness.

    The same is true in the chassidic world today although their fantasy is for a modern orthodox or non orthodox jewish woman, for the same reason.

    One I can speak to more personally is that, on average, Jewish women can be more of an emotional handful than non-jewish women. I don't know how much of this is cultural and how much is genetic, but American Jewish women, JAPs, can be difficult. At least for Jews.

    As for general attractiveness, I can only speak for myself. I find good-looking Jewish girls far far cuter than good-looking non Jewish girls.

    Obviously this only relates to the respective good looking ones in each category, but I have no interest in "hot" girls as conpared with "cute" ones.

    The former look like manly sluts to me and the latter like smiley cuddly feminine beauties.

    The whole blond and tall thing is probably for the sort of men who take pride in their penis size (a concept I first heard of about ten years ago and sincerely thought it was a female-created joke until really recently) and who enjoy waking up to creatures with a square jaw and cold eyes while the latter is for men who enjoy being funny and playing around and want to wake up to a light brown haired girl-looking-girl with curves and with less than 4 feet of washboard abs between their upper curves and lower ones.

    The ideal of course is a Non-Jap with these physical attributes.

    Thankfully in America they are fairly common, although the grotesque bleached blonde thing self-selects a number from circulation.

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody, @Autochthon

    That sounds like a fair assessment. To the degree it keeps them in shape, female military service is a positive.
    I think in Bonfire of the Vanities there was a Jewish junior prosecutor who was ashamed of how his wife had morphed into a plump shtetl babushka once she had kids. The converse is McCoy’s blonde shiksa wife who starved herself of all fats and became a social x-ray, I believe. It’s funny how they are, presumably, morally much better than the most beautiful woman in the book, Sherman’s despicable mistress. My idea is that once a woman has a passel of kids, she has some excuse for not being in the beat shape.

  293. @Anonymous
    @Trelane

    While reasonably intelligent, more so than average really, Lamarr did not really "invent" frequency hopping-she along with many others imagined it, and she happened to be the one to file patent papers. Her actual scheme would never have really worked.

    Otherwise perfectly legitimate inventions have had their patents minimized or invalidated based on "prior art" that consisted of passages in science fiction pulp novels, or in at least one case, MAD magazine.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    Thank you! I really wish we could get the public layman to understand that patenting an invention does not require that the invention actually function as it is speculated to in the patent, or that so much as even a prototype made with popsicle-sticks has ever been made.

    This outfit can be – and something like it probably has been – patented. Those who think the patent is particularly significant are invited to test the invention for themselves. (When I taught, I used to keep a slew of preposterous patents on file to reinforce the point to my students, but I don’t have any of them handy anymore.)

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Autochthon

    281 authochthon > does not require that the invention actually function as it is speculated to in the patent


    Then enforcement of it as against an infringer will likely be denied, as his attorney will be able to show that the patent did not "teach" the invention, nor "show the best mode"

    Replies: @Autochthon

  294. SJW complains about the dearth of Black people in Wonder Woman:

    Once Diana leaves Themyscira, the very appearance of black women drops down to none. It was such a radical change that I found myself combing through the background of scenes as she walked through the streets of London with Steve Trevor, desperate to catch sight of even one black face, if not at least one black woman’s face.

    But even the crowds of Wonder Woman were overwhelmingly white.

    Thus, the film quietly played into the same misconception that black people didn’t exist in history; you know, that old excuse that the casts of period dramas are all-white because people of color apparently only existed in times of slavery or civil rights movements, and to have them anywhere else would be unrealistic. (For the record, not only were port cities like London filled with black immigrants during World War I,

    https://www.bustle.com/p/wonder-womans-feminism-is-strong-as-hell-but-its-not-intersectional-62798

    Dunno about “filled.” From WIKIPEDIA:

    World War I
    World War I was another small growth period for blacks in London. Their communities grew with the arrival of merchant seaman and soldiers. At the same time there is also a continuous presence of small groups of students from Africa and the Caribbean slowly immigrating into London. British working class communities where London’s first black immigrants live survive and now are one of the earliest documented places where black people lived

    World War II
    World War II marked another growth period for black immigrants into London and British societies. Many blacks from the Caribbean and West Africa arrived in small troups as wartime workers, merchant seamen, and servicemen from the army, navy, and air forces. It is estimated that approximately 20,000 black people mostly from around the British Empire lived in communities concentrated in the dock areas of the cities of London, Liverpool and Cardiff in total.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_African_immigrants_in_London#World_War_I

    So, by WW2, there were approx 20,000 Blacks living in Britain…..And Britain’s total population was 47,760,000…..20,000 out of 47,760,000 sounds pretty insignificant to me……

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @syonredux

    Amazon land had several black females. I did notice at least one black male wearing an army uniform in one background scene. What I assume to be Sikhs or some other Sub-Continentals showed up in multiple crowd scenes, taking center screen for several seconds at the end of the movie, offering up prayers to what ever pagan demon they worship.

  295. @englishmike
    @Mikey Darmody


    How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?
     
    Sigmund Freud once told me that is because men are secretly attracted to something in a woman that reminds them of their mother. But in Jewish men this creates a cognitive dissonance that explains their susceptibility to neurosis. He wanted to call this the Portnoy Complex, but was anxious about being too far ahead of his time. You don't believe me, do you?

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody

    Haha words you will only hear in reference to novelists or nannies: “I prefer Englishwomen’

  296. @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    James Bond movies suffer from the same problem, though the old ones dealt with it in campy fashion.

     

    You can also add Indiana Jones, Simon Templar, Bulldog Drummond, Tarzan, ....

    Why not just make superhero musicals? Spider-Man the musical wasn’t bad.
     
    I liked the musical number in Captain America: The First Avenger:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i574Em3IrI

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Making Captain America a song-and-dance man was a witty touch in that movie. I liked that part too. Actually, that movie wasn’t bad, but I lost interest after the first or second sequel. I was struck by the legions in the credits of that first Captain America movie — probably more people helped make that movie than planned the D-Day invasion.

    It also seems cruel to make Chris Evans walk around at 6% body fat forever (even crueler to make the 48-year-old Hugh Jackman do it). For all the talk about female beauty standards in Hollywood, I bet no actress has a diet and exercise regime as harsh as Hugh Jackman’s.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    It also seems cruel to make Chris Evans walk around at 6% body fat forever (even crueler to make the 48-year-old Hugh Jackman do it). For all the talk about female beauty standards in Hollywood, I bet no actress has a diet and exercise regime as harsh as Hugh Jackman’s.
     
    What Jackman does to his body is pretty horrifying. For example, the guy goes without water for nearly 48 hours prior to doing a shirtless scene:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUfOcgr7OSI

    Replies: @Amasius

  297. @Art Deco
    @Travis

    current breakdown at Harvard. 28% Jews, North Africans, Arabs, Middle Eastern and Persian.

    Unless 20% of the student body is Arab or Iranian, no.

    Replies: @Travis

    25% of Harvard College students are Jewish. That number comes from the Hillel Foundation, the Jewish student organization.

    Based on religious self identification of the 2016 class- 42% of surveyed seniors said they are agnostic or atheist, 18% Catholic, 15% Protestant, and 12% as Jewish.
    of the 42% who identified as atheists, 30% were ethnic Jews. Confirms the estimate that 25% of the Harvard graduating class is ethnically Jewish.

    A. Lawrence Lowell, Harvard’s president from 1909-1933, attempted to limit the number of Jewish students admitted to the university. Lowell wanted to cap Harvard’s Jewish population at 15% of the student body. The size of the Jewish student body had quickly risen from 7% of freshmen in 1900 to 15% in 1915, 22% in 1922, and 28% in 1925. thus they began restriction jews in the 1930s until the 1950s. But by 1986 Jews were 30% of the students at Yale and 28% of the students attending Harvard. http://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/04/nyregion/yale-s-limit-on-jewish-enrollment-lasted-until-early-1960-s-book-says.html

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Travis


    25% of Harvard College students are Jewish. That number comes from the Hillel Foundation, the Jewish student organization.
     
    Should be borne in mind that Hillel pads out its numbers by counting people who are 25-50% Jewish in terms of ancestry. I had a friend who was affiliated with Hillel, and he told me that he was certain that Hillel counted me as Jewish (WASP father, Ashkenazi mother) when I was at Berkeley.

    Replies: @Karl, @Travis

  298. @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    Making Captain America a song-and-dance man was a witty touch in that movie. I liked that part too. Actually, that movie wasn't bad, but I lost interest after the first or second sequel. I was struck by the legions in the credits of that first Captain America movie -- probably more people helped make that movie than planned the D-Day invasion.

    It also seems cruel to make Chris Evans walk around at 6% body fat forever (even crueler to make the 48-year-old Hugh Jackman do it). For all the talk about female beauty standards in Hollywood, I bet no actress has a diet and exercise regime as harsh as Hugh Jackman's.

    Replies: @syonredux

    It also seems cruel to make Chris Evans walk around at 6% body fat forever (even crueler to make the 48-year-old Hugh Jackman do it). For all the talk about female beauty standards in Hollywood, I bet no actress has a diet and exercise regime as harsh as Hugh Jackman’s.

    What Jackman does to his body is pretty horrifying. For example, the guy goes without water for nearly 48 hours prior to doing a shirtless scene:

    • Replies: @Amasius
    @syonredux

    Why do people look better when they're almost dead from dehydration? Seems to conflict with the evolutionary fitness = attractiveness thing. Any random slob could kick Hugh Jackman's ass when he's in that condition.

    Replies: @guest

  299. @syonredux
    SJW complains about the dearth of Black people in Wonder Woman:

    Once Diana leaves Themyscira, the very appearance of black women drops down to none. It was such a radical change that I found myself combing through the background of scenes as she walked through the streets of London with Steve Trevor, desperate to catch sight of even one black face, if not at least one black woman's face.


    But even the crowds of Wonder Woman were overwhelmingly white.

    Thus, the film quietly played into the same misconception that black people didn't exist in history; you know, that old excuse that the casts of period dramas are all-white because people of color apparently only existed in times of slavery or civil rights movements, and to have them anywhere else would be unrealistic. (For the record, not only were port cities like London filled with black immigrants during World War I,

     
    https://www.bustle.com/p/wonder-womans-feminism-is-strong-as-hell-but-its-not-intersectional-62798


    Dunno about "filled." From WIKIPEDIA:

    World War I
    World War I was another small growth period for blacks in London. Their communities grew with the arrival of merchant seaman and soldiers. At the same time there is also a continuous presence of small groups of students from Africa and the Caribbean slowly immigrating into London. British working class communities where London’s first black immigrants live survive and now are one of the earliest documented places where black people lived

    World War II
    World War II marked another growth period for black immigrants into London and British societies. Many blacks from the Caribbean and West Africa arrived in small troups as wartime workers, merchant seamen, and servicemen from the army, navy, and air forces. It is estimated that approximately 20,000 black people mostly from around the British Empire lived in communities concentrated in the dock areas of the cities of London, Liverpool and Cardiff in total.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_African_immigrants_in_London#World_War_I

    So, by WW2, there were approx 20,000 Blacks living in Britain.....And Britain's total population was 47,760,000.....20,000 out of 47,760,000 sounds pretty insignificant to me......

    Replies: @Chris Mallory

    Amazon land had several black females. I did notice at least one black male wearing an army uniform in one background scene. What I assume to be Sikhs or some other Sub-Continentals showed up in multiple crowd scenes, taking center screen for several seconds at the end of the movie, offering up prayers to what ever pagan demon they worship.

  300. @Moshe
    @Mikey Darmody

    When I lived in Israel it was as an American and I was not in the army. I could have been but I was terrified of losing some kind of celestial battle and ending up as a jobnik rather than working intelligence or infantry.

    Anyhow, I, and my foreign colleagues who actually were in uniform, found the Israeli soldier girls breathtaking. It almost looked like they were ALL literally stunning, which obviously could not have been the case.

    I never quite analyzed it but I guess it has to do with the fact that they're all physically fit and that being in the army doesn't detract from their femininity because ALL girls are in the army, so their self confidence doesn't effect their natural submissveness to men.

    Or something like that.

    As for American women in the army. Yes, most look like dogs but not all.

    I ----

    Oh no, I was about to mention a girl I knew going into the marines when I worked near 29 palms but I looked her name up and---- either it's not her (it's been a decade) of maybe women don't improve with age.

    Okay!

    Next topic.


    How does this square with some people’s claims that the Jews aren’t attracted to their own women?
     
    I can guess at one element in play and can speak more personally to another.

    My guess is that back in the immigrant days shiksas who could afford the lifestyle and makeup to look pretty looked better than Jewish washerwomen and also promised a better life, obviously enhancing their prettiness.

    The same is true in the chassidic world today although their fantasy is for a modern orthodox or non orthodox jewish woman, for the same reason.

    One I can speak to more personally is that, on average, Jewish women can be more of an emotional handful than non-jewish women. I don't know how much of this is cultural and how much is genetic, but American Jewish women, JAPs, can be difficult. At least for Jews.

    As for general attractiveness, I can only speak for myself. I find good-looking Jewish girls far far cuter than good-looking non Jewish girls.

    Obviously this only relates to the respective good looking ones in each category, but I have no interest in "hot" girls as conpared with "cute" ones.

    The former look like manly sluts to me and the latter like smiley cuddly feminine beauties.

    The whole blond and tall thing is probably for the sort of men who take pride in their penis size (a concept I first heard of about ten years ago and sincerely thought it was a female-created joke until really recently) and who enjoy waking up to creatures with a square jaw and cold eyes while the latter is for men who enjoy being funny and playing around and want to wake up to a light brown haired girl-looking-girl with curves and with less than 4 feet of washboard abs between their upper curves and lower ones.

    The ideal of course is a Non-Jap with these physical attributes.

    Thankfully in America they are fairly common, although the grotesque bleached blonde thing self-selects a number from circulation.

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody, @Autochthon

    Obviously this only relates to the respective good looking ones in each category, but I have no interest in “hot” girls as conpared with “cute” ones.

    The former look like manly sluts to me and the latter like smiley cuddly feminine beauties.

    There is much wisdom in this perspective. Sadly, the cute women are gravitating toward being mousy, tubby slobs with all kinds of irrational rage at men who aren’t interested in that kind of mate; their ultimate fate is too often now to become crazed cat-ladies or lesbians of opportunity. Meanwhile, the hot ones are doubling down as manly sluts and rather than being content to wed a dashing, handsome physician or captain of industry, they insist on bedding several such men on heavy rotation until they become haggish, then they repeat the whole affair with lesser, younger, less choosy men as so-called cougars before retiring to their own fates as bitter harridans.

    OTEMPORAOMORES

  301. @Dave Pinsen
    @CAL

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/872564206545096704

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @Njguy73

    Then nobody’s Wonder Woman.

    To me, The Incredibles is the best superhero movie ever. I say it should have won Best Picture in 2004.

  302. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @Stealth, @International Jew, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Anon7, @Chris Mallory, @Jay Fink, @Right wing Jew, @Marcus, @Robert Dunn

    I am only one individual and perhaps I don’t speak for all Jews but I was very much raised to think of myself as white. The whole idea of not being white would seem crazy to any of my relatives.

    • Replies: @Glaivester
    @Jay Fink

    I think the issue comes down to
    (1) whether a person in general feels sympathetic toward Jews
    (2) whether a person in general feels sympathetic toward whites.
    The more the person's view of whites and of Jews is similar, the more he will think of Jews as a subset of whites.

    White nationalists who see Jews as the prime enemy will see them as non-white, as will Jews who adopt SJW stands on privilege, but who see Jews as an oppressed group rather than a "privileged" group. White nationalists who lack antipathy toward Jews (e.g. Jared Taylor) are much more likely to see Jews as fellow whites, as do Jews who support white nationalism (e.g. Nicholas Stix). At the same time, SJWs who support BDS and who see Israel as an apartheid state (and who see that as a bad thing to be) tend to think of Jews as another privileged group of whites.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

  303. @Autochthon
    @Arclight

    I've noticed this particular tactic to move the goalposts by double-dipping: a passable (not especially unattractive, maybe even pleasant, but hardly gorgeous) woman such ad Gadot is targeted as being too perfect, glamourous, beautiful, and so on, and thus instead of the passable woman being realistic and average (as she is, whereas a truly stunning woman like Lynda Carter would have beauty and grace admittedly unattainable and not to be expected in the overwhelming majority of women...), now, in the perverted view espoused, a passable woman with an unremarkable figure becomes the Holy Grail of unattainable perfection, such that tubby or truly homely women are now meant to be what the average man should see as on his level.

    I see what they've done there. Clever bastards.

    Anecdotally, my wife is of course the most beautiful woman in the world to me (she is my wife!), but she is no Lynda Carter (I'm certainly no Ryan Gosling!). That said, because she is fit: she stands just under five feet tall and, not being obese, weighs just under ninety pounds. Yet all the wildebeests we casually encounter react as if she were an anorexic gymnast simply because she does not have a gut. This isn't a humblebragging "my wife is hot, bro" point – she is no Marilyn Monroe. Rather, I'm emphasizing that I know from personal experience, day in and day out, that the average (i.e., obese, nowadays) person now thinks a woman with a healthy, normal weight is some kind of freakishly petite creature to behold. It's astounding how quickly this deranged view has taken hold, if you only think about it and investigate the actual average heigjts and weights of people in, say, the 1950s (and probably even much later...).

    Replies: @Jay Fink, @Kylie

    They couldn’t get away with pushing the idea that average men should pair up with homely women if men didn’t go along with it….but do they ever.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Jay Fink

    In fairness to them, many of those men have no choice, as the alternative is involuntary celibacy because of the serial harem (with the most physically attractive ten per cent or so of males monopolising the most physically attractive thirty or forty – maybe even fifty – per cent or so of females), an effect enabled by modern societal mores which do not restrain female hypergamy via enforced monogamy....

  304. • Replies: @syonredux
    @MEH 0910

    As you might expect, the Black reaction is calm and dignified:


    Let me preach for a second BMD. From the POV of an Black Person.

    It's stuff like this that reminds me that it is indeed a Privilege, yes PRIVILEGE to be Black. Society tells us and shows us time and time again that our Blackness is a burden, that it's associated slavery, discrimination, pain, sorrow and that the system will never work in our favor. That we have to work twice as hard to get half of the gains. But we are so much more than that. Our Blackness isn't about our Oppression. Our Blackness is BEAUTIFUL. We come from a proud people, who were Kings and Queens and we have to remember that.

    Black Panther is from the Continent the homeland. A place that many of us black folk don't know that much about. The farthest my family can trace our origins is to a Plantation in Mississippi. I don't know what part of Africa my people are from, so I (being a comic fan) sorta clung to Wakanda. We had to an ancestor project in 7th Grade and real talk I wanted to do Wakanda cause why not, I had no clue where I was actually from. My teacher wouldn't let me. So this means a lot to see this nation brought to life. Even if it's not real, it was always real to me
     
    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/06/09/the-explosive-first-trailer-for-black-panther-is-here

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @MEH 0910

    If only there was a place on earth like Wakanda, where blacks displayed what everyone tells us is their true potential, it would be such a relief for white people. It would give us hope that's there's light at the end of the racial tunnel. Too bad it exists only in Hollywood fantasies. We wish it were real. Blacks think it's our greatest fear when it's actually one of our fondest hopes

    BTW, at 1:18 in the trailer, there's a scene of a small black boy walking up the stairs and his father seems to put his hand on his back and hurry him along. Tennessee Coates reference?

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @MEH 0910

    A black superhero just can't be a normal superhero who just happens to be black. No, he has to be "The Panther". Sorry, I mean "The Black Panther". Panthers are, by definition, black, but the target audience may not know this.

  305. @Stan Adams
    @Opinionator

    Portman was awful in the prequels. (Everyone was awful, though, so you can't blame only her.)

    It was depressing to see how bad Fisher looked in the ripoff (the first new one). I haven't seen the newest new film - J.J. has made two so far, right?

    Fisher had an amusing cameo in Scream 3 as someone who looked an awful lot like ... Carrie Fisher.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kdKjQgUVDaI

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @MEH 0910

    J.J. has made two so far, right?

    J.J. Abrams has only made one (thank the Maker!). Rian Johnson has directed the next one coming out.

  306. @Travis
    @Art Deco

    25% of Harvard College students are Jewish. That number comes from the Hillel Foundation, the Jewish student organization.

    Based on religious self identification of the 2016 class- 42% of surveyed seniors said they are agnostic or atheist, 18% Catholic, 15% Protestant, and 12% as Jewish.
    of the 42% who identified as atheists, 30% were ethnic Jews. Confirms the estimate that 25% of the Harvard graduating class is ethnically Jewish.

    A. Lawrence Lowell, Harvard's president from 1909-1933, attempted to limit the number of Jewish students admitted to the university. Lowell wanted to cap Harvard's Jewish population at 15% of the student body. The size of the Jewish student body had quickly risen from 7% of freshmen in 1900 to 15% in 1915, 22% in 1922, and 28% in 1925. thus they began restriction jews in the 1930s until the 1950s. But by 1986 Jews were 30% of the students at Yale and 28% of the students attending Harvard. http://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/04/nyregion/yale-s-limit-on-jewish-enrollment-lasted-until-early-1960-s-book-says.html

    Replies: @syonredux

    25% of Harvard College students are Jewish. That number comes from the Hillel Foundation, the Jewish student organization.

    Should be borne in mind that Hillel pads out its numbers by counting people who are 25-50% Jewish in terms of ancestry. I had a friend who was affiliated with Hillel, and he told me that he was certain that Hillel counted me as Jewish (WASP father, Ashkenazi mother) when I was at Berkeley.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @syonredux

    294 SyonRedux > Hillel pads out its numbers by counting people who are 25-50% Jewish in terms of ancestry



    the more "jews" they "need to serve", the more money they can get from the Major League Professional Jew national entities.

    to understand anything american jews do.... follow the money.

    I ==tried== explaining to the Stormfronters that folks who major in Sociology or Progressive Journalism, are way too lazy to DeepStateOrganize any race-replacement campaigns.

    I don't think they believed me.

    , @Travis
    @syonredux

    True, probably 20% of the Jews at Harvard are only half Jewish. My best friend was considered jewish by the Jews because his mother was Jewish even though he was never circumcised. He dated an orthodox Jew in high school, her mother would not allow her to date gentiles but she was allowed to date him because his mother was Jewish. Israel will also accept half jews as jews

    Half-Jewish people who are the children or grandchildren of either a Jewish father or a Jewish mother, and who identify as Jews, may make aliyah to Israel under the Law of Return and become Israeli citizens. They will receive help from the Israeli government. Thus even Israel grants full status and citizenship to half jews as being treated as fully Jewish under judea religious law

    if Harvard continues to count those who are Half black and 1/16 Black as being African America it would be logical to count half jews as Jewish just as half Cuban students are counted as Hispanic and even those who claim to be 1/32 Indian are counted as Native American. The majority of the Blacks at Harvard are actually mulattoes, as are their Black profs.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  307. @syonredux
    @Travis


    25% of Harvard College students are Jewish. That number comes from the Hillel Foundation, the Jewish student organization.
     
    Should be borne in mind that Hillel pads out its numbers by counting people who are 25-50% Jewish in terms of ancestry. I had a friend who was affiliated with Hillel, and he told me that he was certain that Hillel counted me as Jewish (WASP father, Ashkenazi mother) when I was at Berkeley.

    Replies: @Karl, @Travis

    294 SyonRedux > Hillel pads out its numbers by counting people who are 25-50% Jewish in terms of ancestry

    the more “jews” they “need to serve”, the more money they can get from the Major League Professional Jew national entities.

    to understand anything american jews do…. follow the money.

    I ==tried== explaining to the Stormfronters that folks who major in Sociology or Progressive Journalism, are way too lazy to DeepStateOrganize any race-replacement campaigns.

    I don’t think they believed me.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  308. @Autochthon
    @Anonymous

    Thank you! I really wish we could get the public layman to understand that patenting an invention does not require that the invention actually function as it is speculated to in the patent, or that so much as even a prototype made with popsicle-sticks has ever been made.

    This outfit can be – and something like it probably has been – patented. Those who think the patent is particularly significant are invited to test the invention for themselves. (When I taught, I used to keep a slew of preposterous patents on file to reinforce the point to my students, but I don't have any of them handy anymore.)

    Replies: @Karl

    281 authochthon > does not require that the invention actually function as it is speculated to in the patent

    Then enforcement of it as against an infringer will likely be denied, as his attorney will be able to show that the patent did not “teach” the invention, nor “show the best mode”

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Karl

    Patents' significance is determined in litigation, not prosecution; prosecution is largely a rumber-stamp.

  309. @MEH 0910
    Black Panther trailer reveals the futurist wonders of Wakanda

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxWvtMOGAhw

    Replies: @syonredux, @Harry Baldwin, @Hippopotamusdrome

    As you might expect, the Black reaction is calm and dignified:

    Let me preach for a second BMD. From the POV of an Black Person.

    It’s stuff like this that reminds me that it is indeed a Privilege, yes PRIVILEGE to be Black. Society tells us and shows us time and time again that our Blackness is a burden, that it’s associated slavery, discrimination, pain, sorrow and that the system will never work in our favor. That we have to work twice as hard to get half of the gains. But we are so much more than that. Our Blackness isn’t about our Oppression. Our Blackness is BEAUTIFUL. We come from a proud people, who were Kings and Queens and we have to remember that.

    Black Panther is from the Continent the homeland. A place that many of us black folk don’t know that much about. The farthest my family can trace our origins is to a Plantation in Mississippi. I don’t know what part of Africa my people are from, so I (being a comic fan) sorta clung to Wakanda. We had to an ancestor project in 7th Grade and real talk I wanted to do Wakanda cause why not, I had no clue where I was actually from. My teacher wouldn’t let me. So this means a lot to see this nation brought to life. Even if it’s not real, it was always real to me

    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/06/09/the-explosive-first-trailer-for-black-panther-is-here

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @syonredux

    Blacks have few accomplishments of their own so it is natural that they reach back to mythical pasts, even going as far as to appropriate other peoples' past (the Egyptians' being a common example). The sad part is that the writer has built his/her "We wuz kangz" narrative, not even on a culture that actually existed, but on a cartoon. It is almost as sad as those blacks who want to reject the chains of whites and Christianity by leaping into the chains of Islam and Arabs.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  310. @Marty
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

    Replies: @oddsbodkins, @syonredux, @Njguy73, @SteveRogers42

    I thought Lauren Bacall was Jewish…

  311. @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    @Charles Pewitt


    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Says you. She doesn't look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she's in her early 30s - more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider "attractive" is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates "attractiveness" in the form of "health" and "symmetric features" to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

    Replies: @guest, @fish, @Marty, @San Fernando Curt, @SteveRogers42

    And not just men.

  312. @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    Who is? Circa 1975 Lynda Carter is about as a hot as it gets.

    But Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman was much more feminine than feminist. She looked like she never touched a dumbbell. And how many times did some bad guy get the drop on her with chloroform?

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @SteveRogers42

    I think that if someone is playing the role of an action hero, to say nothing of an out-and-out superhuman, they should look like they could do something more athletic than tearing open a bag of Cheetos. Back in the day, Olympic swimmer Amanda Beard would have been physically convincing in the part. She had big blue eyes that put her waaayyy up on the Hot/Crazy matrix, and the physique of, well, an Olympic swimmer.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @SteveRogers42

    MMA fighter Rhonda Rousey wanted the role of Wonder Woman. Unfortunately, she can't act. But maybe they could have done some kind of Bill Bixby / Lou Ferrigno thing.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    , @syonredux
    @SteveRogers42

    Evidence that men are designed for combat

    https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/873032347687329792

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  313. @guest
    @George

    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn't necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Difference Maker, @syonredux, @EH, @SteveRogers42

  314. @Jack D
    @Trelane

    Hedy Lamarr invented frequency hopping in the same way that those black lady mathematicians sent us to the moon. She had an idea for how to do it and worked with a guy who actually had some training and what they came up with was to use the mechanism from a player piano - actually 2 of them. Both the transmitter and the receiver would have to be perfectly synched at the beginning and stay in synch for this to work - any drift and they would be tuned to different frequencies and stop talking to each other. Their "invention" led to zero real world products. When real frequency hopping was perfected decades later it was electronic and had nothing to do with their crude mechanical approach.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @PiltdownMan

    Hedy Lamarr invented frequency hopping in the same way that those black lady mathematicians sent us to the moon.

    Hedy Lamarr did a lot more than those black lady mathematicians, and is not in the same class, even if the extent of her own contribution is vastly exaggerated. She not only showed intellectual creativity and originality in solving a difficult weapons systems technical problem well outside her field of expertise by coming up with an insightful idea that later proved to be very powerful, she showed initiative in partnering with George Antheil and building a workable mechanical prototype, and she actually registered patents.

    Sure, the story is made out to be that Hedy Lamarr invented modern FHSS and practically invented cell phones. It’s understandably human to exaggerate the story that way—she was darn good looking.

    But it is also quite unfair to her to compare her to non-entity computational clerks who were merely grinding though numerical methods of approximation to get solutions to differential equations for orbital mechanics that had been known since the time of Newton.

    I bet Hedy Lamarr had at least 20 IQ points on any of those NASA clerks.

  315. @Jay Fink
    @Autochthon

    They couldn't get away with pushing the idea that average men should pair up with homely women if men didn't go along with it....but do they ever.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    In fairness to them, many of those men have no choice, as the alternative is involuntary celibacy because of the serial harem (with the most physically attractive ten per cent or so of males monopolising the most physically attractive thirty or forty – maybe even fifty – per cent or so of females), an effect enabled by modern societal mores which do not restrain female hypergamy via enforced monogamy….

  316. @advancedatheist
    @syonredux

    "the roots of the superhero lie in things like Philip Wylie's Gladiator (the true source for Superman; forget all that crap about Moses), Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, John Carter, and The Shadow, not in Shtetl folktales."

    Not to mention Doc Savage, who had a hideaway in the far North called the Fortress of Solitude, well before Superman's.

    BTW, I tried to read a Doc Savage story, "The Polar Treasure." Really bad writing, and I can see why it has resisted efforts to revive the franchise. It violated principles of good story-telling by showing Savage the master of every situation, where he could pull arbitrary abilities out of thin air to solve every problem, including knowing how to speak obscure Eskimo dialects.

    Replies: @syonredux, @SteveRogers42

    I was just thinking that this guy would make a good IRL Doc Savage, except he’s probably a little short for the role:

    https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/kim-j.pdf

    SEAL (Silver Star), M.D., Astronaut. Probably speaks a couple languages, too.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @SteveRogers42

    C'mon--gotta be Jocko Willink!

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    , @syonredux
    @SteveRogers42

    Shane Black's signed on to direct a Doc Savage movie with Dwayne Johnson as Doc:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/doc-savage-film-dwayne-johnson-898220

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  317. @Chrisnonymous
    @syonredux

    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that's not a good endorsement.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @SteveRogers42

    It had its moments.

    • Agree: syonredux
    • Replies: @syonredux
    @SteveRogers42


    It had its moments.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqIBGEcKhGs
     
    Good scene. Shows what happens when you dump the CGI and use stuntmen and solid fight choreography.
  318. @MEH 0910
    Black Panther trailer reveals the futurist wonders of Wakanda

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxWvtMOGAhw

    Replies: @syonredux, @Harry Baldwin, @Hippopotamusdrome

    If only there was a place on earth like Wakanda, where blacks displayed what everyone tells us is their true potential, it would be such a relief for white people. It would give us hope that’s there’s light at the end of the racial tunnel. Too bad it exists only in Hollywood fantasies. We wish it were real. Blacks think it’s our greatest fear when it’s actually one of our fondest hopes

    BTW, at 1:18 in the trailer, there’s a scene of a small black boy walking up the stairs and his father seems to put his hand on his back and hurry him along. Tennessee Coates reference?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Harry Baldwin


    If only there was a place on earth like Wakanda, where blacks displayed what everyone tells us is their true potential, it would be such a relief for white people. It would give us hope that’s there’s light at the end of the racial tunnel. Too bad it exists only in Hollywood fantasies. We wish it were real. Blacks think it’s our greatest fear when it’s actually one of our fondest hopes
     
    Traditionally, fantasy mirrored reality.For example, Tony (Iron Man) Stark was a comic book version of real world Anglo technologists, Edison in superhero guise. But SJWs believe in magical thinking. Reality reflects fantasy. Make a movie that features a highly advanced Black African country and Hey!Presto! it will appear in the real world.We just have to dream it, and it will come.....
  319. My Jewish feminist past-her-prime spinster sister-in-law is desperate to have us go see Wonder Woman with her. We’re not really that keen. I suspect it’s a manifestation of her hysterical Trump hate. At this time, more than any other, she needs to revel in the screen heroics of an ass-kicking female. Wonder Woman wouldn’t let Donald Trump grab her pussy–she’d kick his ass! Wonder Woman wouldn’t let Donald Trump tell her she had to lose the 40 pounds she’d put on since becoming Miss Universe–she’d kick his ass! Wonder Woman wouldn’t let Donald Trump stand in the way of her becoming America’s first female president–she’d kick his ass! Wonder Woman wouldn’t let Donald Trump stay president after America’s women marched on Washington to protest his inauguration–she’d kick his ass!

    The sisterhood has suffered many humiliating setbacks in the past year, and Wonder Woman has come out at just the right time for a cathartic wallow in ass-kicking grrl power!

  320. @SteveRogers42
    @advancedatheist

    I was just thinking that this guy would make a good IRL Doc Savage, except he's probably a little short for the role:

    https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/kim-j.pdf

    SEAL (Silver Star), M.D., Astronaut. Probably speaks a couple languages, too.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @syonredux

    C’mon–gotta be Jocko Willink!

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Harry Baldwin

    Good catch! Maybe a composite: Jocko sure looks the part, but Jonny Kim's got the big brain.

    By the way, how did Jocko ever swim? He looks like he's got the body density of concrete.

  321. I would be in favor of carving another category if SJWs want it so badly. But in reality they will not allow it, cause overnight it will become too obvious that “white privilege” is a hoax. And non-jewish non-hispanic whites are underrepresented in prestigious universities, cinematography, positions of power etc, etc.

    Gee, Whites, even including Jews, already underrepresented at major tech companies (at Google –
    57%, Microsoft – 54.2%, Facebook – 48%, Apples – 56% and just 46% of new hires) compared to their share of the US population (62%, ~68% of working-age population). Where is the outcry? Where are the scholarships? Where are HRs giving bonuses for hiring underrepresented whites? Ooops, I forgot that it doesn’t fit the narrative.

    Whites already underrepresented among prestigious Ivy League universities. Columbia University diversity statistics:
    Whites 38%, Asian – 27%, African American – 14%, Latino – 15%, Native American – 4%.

    Pick one category that is most underrepresented hence, according to SWJs dictionary, oppressed. Yep, that’s right. Whites are the most underrepresented group even when Jews are counted with Whites. And if you exclude Jews share of Whites will plunge even further, so it will become too obvious that “ominous white privilege” is an outright lie.

  322. @AnotherDad
    @syonredux



    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html
     
    Thanks Syonredux.

    This link is actually more interesting than the Jewish "we're not 'white' we're the oppressed" and Jewish women whining about "standards of beauty". Both well trod ground.

    The interesting thing to me was this woman saying she was "in tears" during some of the Wonder Woman fight scenes. It was cathartic for her--apparently she'd been waiting all her life to see woman warriors, competently slaying on the battlefield. And that her reaction was common--the director had heard it many times before and was unsurprised.

    This struck me as a bit weird because the "butt kicking babes" are seriously a trope. They seem to show up everywhere now days. And not just in zones of complete suspension of disbelief, but in places that are at least superficially are supposed to be normal TV/movie "reality". For me many times it's just so ridiculous it jerks me out of routine TV/movie suspension of disbelief
    and wrecks the show. (Wonder Woman is better because she is at least a super-hero with super-powers, not some actual normal human 120 lb. woman dispatching 200 lb. tough guys.)

    I think American (and European) life has become so feminized, and so devoid of not just violence, but actual hard heavy physical labor that a lot of women are just completely ignorant of brute physical reality. A lot of women seem truly ignorant of how utterly weak and fragile they are compared to even average men. I'm pretty much dead on average American guy--height, size (a bit more upper body per my size, a bit less leg)--and now even as a geezer I almost never see any woman I couldn't quickly subdue. (Ok, now I see some really fat ones that probably geezer me couldn't move after knocking them out.) Young guys who are actually tough and strong? There are no women who would even be in a "fight" with them, they'd just be on the floor unconscious. But apparently a lot of women don't realize the extreme extent of sexual dimorphism on strength. I guess their boyfriends/husbands have never handled them physically--even just to toss 'em over their shoulder and carry 'em off to bed?

    And what's weird to me is this intense desire to see this female warrior--a complete fantasy of a competent ass-kicking female warrior. I get the interest in what the other sex can do. When AnotherMom was pregnant--belly bulging out incredibly--I had
    a) a sense of pride in my manhood, that i'd knocked her up and my baby was growing inside her
    but even more profoundly
    b) a sense of wonder at life, at her feminine power, to receive my joy juice, combine with it, and bake it into a beautiful baby inside her.
    But what I didn't feel was jealously. That I was cheated as a guy because I couldn't grow a baby myself. Or later, that she had a more intense bond with the kids through pregnancy and nursing. I was grateful--to God, to life, to her--to be a dad, did my dad thing, appreciated it, loved it.

    These women of the West today are nuts. They downplay, dismiss and many forego the one thing they can do not just "much better" than men, but that men can't do at all. And pine for these bizarre fantasies where they are supreme at doing things that men are so thoroughly superior at that women aren't even in the same universe. It's insanity. And it's part of what's killing the West.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @PiltdownMan

    It’s hard to find the video now, but about 5 years ago, Douglas Kennedy got into a contretemps with a couple of female nurses when he was carrying his newborn child into an unauthorized part of the hospital. As I recall the video, a couple of these Avengin’ Amazons came barreling up to him in the doorway of an elevator, and began grabbing and slapping at him, trying to..pull the child out of his hands…or deconstruct the patriarchy…or… something. While holding the baby in one arm, Kennedy dropped one of these Fightin’ Furies with a knee strike to the gut, and took the other to the ground with a one-handed arm twist. You could almost see the thought balloons form over the nurses’ heads as they experienced a moderate amount of male force for the first time in their empowered lives. (Kennedy is a medium-sized fellow whose athletic background probably tends toward tennis and sailing, yet he tossed these delusional dames around in true comic-book fashion.)

  323. @Harry Baldwin
    @MEH 0910

    If only there was a place on earth like Wakanda, where blacks displayed what everyone tells us is their true potential, it would be such a relief for white people. It would give us hope that's there's light at the end of the racial tunnel. Too bad it exists only in Hollywood fantasies. We wish it were real. Blacks think it's our greatest fear when it's actually one of our fondest hopes

    BTW, at 1:18 in the trailer, there's a scene of a small black boy walking up the stairs and his father seems to put his hand on his back and hurry him along. Tennessee Coates reference?

    Replies: @syonredux

    If only there was a place on earth like Wakanda, where blacks displayed what everyone tells us is their true potential, it would be such a relief for white people. It would give us hope that’s there’s light at the end of the racial tunnel. Too bad it exists only in Hollywood fantasies. We wish it were real. Blacks think it’s our greatest fear when it’s actually one of our fondest hopes

    Traditionally, fantasy mirrored reality.For example, Tony (Iron Man) Stark was a comic book version of real world Anglo technologists, Edison in superhero guise. But SJWs believe in magical thinking. Reality reflects fantasy. Make a movie that features a highly advanced Black African country and Hey!Presto! it will appear in the real world.We just have to dream it, and it will come…..

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  324. @SteveRogers42
    @advancedatheist

    I was just thinking that this guy would make a good IRL Doc Savage, except he's probably a little short for the role:

    https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/kim-j.pdf

    SEAL (Silver Star), M.D., Astronaut. Probably speaks a couple languages, too.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @syonredux

    Shane Black’s signed on to direct a Doc Savage movie with Dwayne Johnson as Doc:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/doc-savage-film-dwayne-johnson-898220

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @syonredux

    Rock ("The Dwayne") Johnson, still looking for that one big career-defining role. It's funny...he's extremely charismatic and at least as handsome as (and a far better natural athlete than) other "Expendables"-type Hollywood heroes, but he's never landed an iconic action-hero role like Arnie, Sly, or Bruce Willis.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  325. @syonredux
    @Travis


    25% of Harvard College students are Jewish. That number comes from the Hillel Foundation, the Jewish student organization.
     
    Should be borne in mind that Hillel pads out its numbers by counting people who are 25-50% Jewish in terms of ancestry. I had a friend who was affiliated with Hillel, and he told me that he was certain that Hillel counted me as Jewish (WASP father, Ashkenazi mother) when I was at Berkeley.

    Replies: @Karl, @Travis

    True, probably 20% of the Jews at Harvard are only half Jewish. My best friend was considered jewish by the Jews because his mother was Jewish even though he was never circumcised. He dated an orthodox Jew in high school, her mother would not allow her to date gentiles but she was allowed to date him because his mother was Jewish. Israel will also accept half jews as jews

    Half-Jewish people who are the children or grandchildren of either a Jewish father or a Jewish mother, and who identify as Jews, may make aliyah to Israel under the Law of Return and become Israeli citizens. They will receive help from the Israeli government. Thus even Israel grants full status and citizenship to half jews as being treated as fully Jewish under judea religious law

    if Harvard continues to count those who are Half black and 1/16 Black as being African America it would be logical to count half jews as Jewish just as half Cuban students are counted as Hispanic and even those who claim to be 1/32 Indian are counted as Native American. The majority of the Blacks at Harvard are actually mulattoes, as are their Black profs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Travis

    Maybe I'm the last person who should speak as an authority on this, but, halachically speaking, there is no such thing as a half-Jew, any more than a woman can be half pregnant. One is or is not a Jew.

    One is a Jew if one's mother is a Jewess in good standing, and one has not willfully converted to another religion. (Even at that they can be sort of tolerant as long as the other religion isn't Christianity, it seems.) OR if one has made a valid Orthodox conversion.

    Any rabbis out there to correct or add to that??

  326. @Harry Baldwin
    @SteveRogers42

    C'mon--gotta be Jocko Willink!

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Good catch! Maybe a composite: Jocko sure looks the part, but Jonny Kim’s got the big brain.

    By the way, how did Jocko ever swim? He looks like he’s got the body density of concrete.

  327. @SteveRogers42
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think that if someone is playing the role of an action hero, to say nothing of an out-and-out superhuman, they should look like they could do something more athletic than tearing open a bag of Cheetos. Back in the day, Olympic swimmer Amanda Beard would have been physically convincing in the part. She had big blue eyes that put her waaayyy up on the Hot/Crazy matrix, and the physique of, well, an Olympic swimmer.

    http://cityandshorebucket.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/amandasept2015a.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    MMA fighter Rhonda Rousey wanted the role of Wonder Woman. Unfortunately, she can’t act. But maybe they could have done some kind of Bill Bixby / Lou Ferrigno thing.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Steve Sailer

    Merciful Minerva...

    http://blogdesuperheroes.es/wp-content/plugins/BdSGallery/BdSGaleria/30100.jpg

  328. @AnotherDad
    @syonredux



    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html
     
    Thanks Syonredux.

    This link is actually more interesting than the Jewish "we're not 'white' we're the oppressed" and Jewish women whining about "standards of beauty". Both well trod ground.

    The interesting thing to me was this woman saying she was "in tears" during some of the Wonder Woman fight scenes. It was cathartic for her--apparently she'd been waiting all her life to see woman warriors, competently slaying on the battlefield. And that her reaction was common--the director had heard it many times before and was unsurprised.

    This struck me as a bit weird because the "butt kicking babes" are seriously a trope. They seem to show up everywhere now days. And not just in zones of complete suspension of disbelief, but in places that are at least superficially are supposed to be normal TV/movie "reality". For me many times it's just so ridiculous it jerks me out of routine TV/movie suspension of disbelief
    and wrecks the show. (Wonder Woman is better because she is at least a super-hero with super-powers, not some actual normal human 120 lb. woman dispatching 200 lb. tough guys.)

    I think American (and European) life has become so feminized, and so devoid of not just violence, but actual hard heavy physical labor that a lot of women are just completely ignorant of brute physical reality. A lot of women seem truly ignorant of how utterly weak and fragile they are compared to even average men. I'm pretty much dead on average American guy--height, size (a bit more upper body per my size, a bit less leg)--and now even as a geezer I almost never see any woman I couldn't quickly subdue. (Ok, now I see some really fat ones that probably geezer me couldn't move after knocking them out.) Young guys who are actually tough and strong? There are no women who would even be in a "fight" with them, they'd just be on the floor unconscious. But apparently a lot of women don't realize the extreme extent of sexual dimorphism on strength. I guess their boyfriends/husbands have never handled them physically--even just to toss 'em over their shoulder and carry 'em off to bed?

    And what's weird to me is this intense desire to see this female warrior--a complete fantasy of a competent ass-kicking female warrior. I get the interest in what the other sex can do. When AnotherMom was pregnant--belly bulging out incredibly--I had
    a) a sense of pride in my manhood, that i'd knocked her up and my baby was growing inside her
    but even more profoundly
    b) a sense of wonder at life, at her feminine power, to receive my joy juice, combine with it, and bake it into a beautiful baby inside her.
    But what I didn't feel was jealously. That I was cheated as a guy because I couldn't grow a baby myself. Or later, that she had a more intense bond with the kids through pregnancy and nursing. I was grateful--to God, to life, to her--to be a dad, did my dad thing, appreciated it, loved it.

    These women of the West today are nuts. They downplay, dismiss and many forego the one thing they can do not just "much better" than men, but that men can't do at all. And pine for these bizarre fantasies where they are supreme at doing things that men are so thoroughly superior at that women aren't even in the same universe. It's insanity. And it's part of what's killing the West.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @PiltdownMan

    And what’s weird to me is this intense desire to see this female warrior–a complete fantasy of a competent ass-kicking female warrior. I get the interest in what the other sex can do. …
    But what I didn’t feel was jealousy…

    Freud took a stab at why women feel that way. But I’m told his theory has been discredited.

    http://tinyurl.com/oqmccnt

    • Replies: @anon
    @PiltdownMan

    Freud being ''discredited'' is a bit like the ''Death of Communism''.
    The usual suspects keep parroting the line, but where's the proof?

    Replies: @Pericles

  329. @Steve Sailer
    @SteveRogers42

    MMA fighter Rhonda Rousey wanted the role of Wonder Woman. Unfortunately, she can't act. But maybe they could have done some kind of Bill Bixby / Lou Ferrigno thing.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Merciful Minerva…

  330. @guest
    @Truth

    I would be surprised if she were a transsexual. What that guy's noticing is not the Illuminati's secret army of celebrity he-she's. It's higher culture preference for masculine-looking women.

    Replies: @Truth

    Well that explanation certainly makes the idea of what they are doing; strike that, the VERY OBVIOUS idea of what they are doing, seem plausible.

  331. @Joe Walker
    @syonredux

    Most Irish people like whites and like being white. Unlike the Jews, the Irish are not continuously scheming to bring about the downfall of white nations.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Most Irish people like whites and like being white.

    You need to hang out with Leftist Irish academics……

  332. @SteveRogers42
    @Chrisnonymous

    It had its moments.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqIBGEcKhGs

    Replies: @syonredux

    It had its moments.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqIBGEcKhGs

    Good scene. Shows what happens when you dump the CGI and use stuntmen and solid fight choreography.

  333. @syonredux
    @SteveRogers42

    Shane Black's signed on to direct a Doc Savage movie with Dwayne Johnson as Doc:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/doc-savage-film-dwayne-johnson-898220

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Rock (“The Dwayne”) Johnson, still looking for that one big career-defining role. It’s funny…he’s extremely charismatic and at least as handsome as (and a far better natural athlete than) other “Expendables”-type Hollywood heroes, but he’s never landed an iconic action-hero role like Arnie, Sly, or Bruce Willis.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @SteveRogers42

    When I was a kid, I watched all of Ahh-nold's movies and fantasized about being a big buff dude who went around wreaking havoc.

    Do little white boys watch The Rock and fantasize about being him? I don't know.

    One thing about Ahh-nold is that his most iconic movies were veritable gorefests. They stick in your mind. Has the Rock ever slaughtered an entire army all by himself, or carved his own eyeball out of his skull, or ripped off a guy's arms while tossing out a sarcastic remark? Some boys get off on stuff like this.

    Can you think of one memorable scene in a Rock movie that you can rattle off the top of your head, like "the Terminator shoots up the police station"? I can't.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @SteveRogers42

  334. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @syonredux

    Christy Brinkley, looks fabulous for her age (early 60's), simply fabulous. When Kate was 60, she played Eleanor of Aquataine, exactly why? For her time, the historical Eleanor was beautiful, so typecasting clearly, clearly, was in vogue. The real Eleanor of Aquataine wasn't old enough to have been Henry II's mother, per Hepburn and O'Toole.

    Dreadful casting, just dreadful.

    Replies: @guest

    They did have a scene where Hepburn stares in a mirror and laments her lost looks, so they acknowledged it. In think she was cast simply because people wanted to hear Hepburn and O’Toole yell at eachother.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @guest

    (Katharine) Hepburn was a horsey woman to begin with.

    Replies: @guest

  335. @syonredux
    @syonredux

    One thing that really stood out to me regarding Wonder Woman is just how derivative it is. It's Captain America: The First Avenger mixed with the fish-out-of-water stuff from Thor. I suppose that they thought that setting the action in WWI (as opposed to WWII) would keep people from noticing....

    Replies: @justwonderingaboutbaseball, @Oleaginous Outrager

    A comic book movie that’s derivative? How can that be?

    Remember when Comic Book Man was a joke everyone sneered at? Now this childish folderol is being held up (by simpletons mostly, but still) as having deep sociological and historical import and defining the state of our world. Omega basement boys’ power fantasies (and in the case of WW, her creator’s BDSM fantasies) are being elevated to the level of great literature/art and trenchant political analysis.

    No wonder that test showed college kids can’t think critically. Look what they have to work with!

  336. @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    It also seems cruel to make Chris Evans walk around at 6% body fat forever (even crueler to make the 48-year-old Hugh Jackman do it). For all the talk about female beauty standards in Hollywood, I bet no actress has a diet and exercise regime as harsh as Hugh Jackman’s.
     
    What Jackman does to his body is pretty horrifying. For example, the guy goes without water for nearly 48 hours prior to doing a shirtless scene:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUfOcgr7OSI

    Replies: @Amasius

    Why do people look better when they’re almost dead from dehydration? Seems to conflict with the evolutionary fitness = attractiveness thing. Any random slob could kick Hugh Jackman’s ass when he’s in that condition.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Amasius

    They don't look better, frankly. If you saw them outside the context of professional photography, you'd say, "Ew."

    The point, I think, is like how fitness models use tanner and oil and lighting to show off every little nook and cranny of their musculature. It makes them stand out. That type of thing has almost nothing to do with what regular humans find attractive, though they generally do prefer their men to be strong.

  337. @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    And 1/2 the Ashkenazi is Roman, so really she's just 24.25% jewish.

    Replies: @Been1

    That’s just nuts. By that standard, no one is even close to 100% Jewish, so why even ask the question?

    If you’re going back 2000 years to the Romans, why don’t you just go back another 3000 years or so, in which case Arquette would be 0% Jewish?

    Are there any other ethnic groups you tend to go back 2000 years to determine the ancestry of?

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Been1

    Hey, the Jews are who claim they are half Roman, half Jews. Don't blame the messenger.

  338. @Karl
    @Autochthon

    281 authochthon > does not require that the invention actually function as it is speculated to in the patent


    Then enforcement of it as against an infringer will likely be denied, as his attorney will be able to show that the patent did not "teach" the invention, nor "show the best mode"

    Replies: @Autochthon

    Patents’ significance is determined in litigation, not prosecution; prosecution is largely a rumber-stamp.

  339. Paul Newman was the exception, not the rule, in the 1950s. Most other Jewish leading men (Kirk Douglas, Tony Curtis, Walter Matthau, Cornel Wilde, Jean-Pierre Aumont, John Garfield) in the 1950s had two Jewish parents. There were some other “half Jews” like Fred Astaire and Melvyn Douglas, but they were not necessarily particularly handsome or anything.

    Out of the big four Jewish actresses now (Portman, Johansson, Kunis, and Gadot), three of them have two Jewish parents.

    Early Hollywood Jewish starlets like Bacall, Shelley Winters, and Judy Holliday also did. So did some of the later ones like Barbra Streisand and Debra Winger, who were two of the biggest female stars of the 1970s/80s.

    As the population of “half Jews” increased, there were more in acting, of course.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Been1


    There were some other “half Jews” like Fred Astaire and Melvyn Douglas,
     
    Astaire's background is interesting:

    Ethnicity:
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (father, who was raised Catholic)
    *German (mother)

    Fred Astaire was an American dancer, actor, choreographer, singer, and musician. His sister was entertainer Adele Astaire.

    Fred’s father, Frederic Austerlitz (born Friedrich Emanuel Austerlitz), was an Austrian immigrant; he was born to a Czech Jewish family that had converted to Catholicism in Austria.

    Fred’s mother, Johanna “Ann” (Geilus), was born in Nebraska, and was of German descent; she was from a Lutheran family.

    Fred’s paternal grandfather was Salomon Stefan Austerlitz (the son of Simon Juda Austerlitz and Ester Porges). Salomon was born in Prague, to Czech Jewish parents. Simon was the son of Juda Jakob Austerlitz and Ewa Slowa Neustadtl. Ester was the daughter of Abraham Moses Porges and Maria.

    Fred’s paternal grandmother was Lucia/Lucie Hellerová/Heller (the daughter of Emanuel Abraham Heller and Anna Morawetzová). Lucie was born in Postoloprty, to Czech Jewish parents. Emanuel was born in Postoloprty, the son of Simon Heller and Judith Friedenbergová. Anna was born in Roudnice, the daughter of Catrina.

    Fred’s maternal grandparents were David Geilus and Wilhelmine/Wilhelmina Klaatke. They were both German immigrants, born in Sussemilken/Sumilken, and were of the Lutheran religion.
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/fred-astaire

    Out of the big four Jewish actresses now (Portman, Johansson, Kunis, and Gadot), three of them have two Jewish parents.

     

    Gadot's not a big star.
  340. @MEH 0910
    Black Panther trailer reveals the futurist wonders of Wakanda

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxWvtMOGAhw

    Replies: @syonredux, @Harry Baldwin, @Hippopotamusdrome

    A black superhero just can’t be a normal superhero who just happens to be black. No, he has to be “The Panther”. Sorry, I mean “The Black Panther”. Panthers are, by definition, black, but the target audience may not know this.

  341. @syonredux
    @MEH 0910

    As you might expect, the Black reaction is calm and dignified:


    Let me preach for a second BMD. From the POV of an Black Person.

    It's stuff like this that reminds me that it is indeed a Privilege, yes PRIVILEGE to be Black. Society tells us and shows us time and time again that our Blackness is a burden, that it's associated slavery, discrimination, pain, sorrow and that the system will never work in our favor. That we have to work twice as hard to get half of the gains. But we are so much more than that. Our Blackness isn't about our Oppression. Our Blackness is BEAUTIFUL. We come from a proud people, who were Kings and Queens and we have to remember that.

    Black Panther is from the Continent the homeland. A place that many of us black folk don't know that much about. The farthest my family can trace our origins is to a Plantation in Mississippi. I don't know what part of Africa my people are from, so I (being a comic fan) sorta clung to Wakanda. We had to an ancestor project in 7th Grade and real talk I wanted to do Wakanda cause why not, I had no clue where I was actually from. My teacher wouldn't let me. So this means a lot to see this nation brought to life. Even if it's not real, it was always real to me
     
    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/06/09/the-explosive-first-trailer-for-black-panther-is-here

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    Blacks have few accomplishments of their own so it is natural that they reach back to mythical pasts, even going as far as to appropriate other peoples’ past (the Egyptians’ being a common example). The sad part is that the writer has built his/her “We wuz kangz” narrative, not even on a culture that actually existed, but on a cartoon. It is almost as sad as those blacks who want to reject the chains of whites and Christianity by leaping into the chains of Islam and Arabs.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Hyperborean

    Blacks have few accomplishments of their own so it is natural that they reach back to mythical pasts, even going as far as to appropriate other peoples’ past (the Egyptians’ being a common example).

    The big promoter of that thesis was Martin Bernal, who wasn't black. The people who hired him at Cornell were not black. The university presses who published his rubbish aren't minority firms either.

    Replies: @syonredux

  342. @Autochthon
    @Jack D

    Thank you for clarifying this point; Lamarr's idea was brilliant and insightful, but I weary of those who conflate dreaming of an idea with implementing it (the latter is nearly always worlds of magnitude more difficult). Telecommunications is an area of my work, so these kinds of glosses in that context especially irk me; you want to cite geniuses of modern techniques, discuss code-division multiple access, Andrew Viterbi, Antonio Franklin, and Irwin Jacobs – nearly everyone laughed at these guys and their idea. The establishment assured all that CDMA was pysically and mathematically impossible.

    So they implemented it themselves, and now their chips (or chips using the technology they developed) are in every cellular modem on the planet.

    This business that so-and-such female or brown person invented thus-and-so because they once mentioned it as a cool idea is as valid as the contention that Edgar Rice Burroughs invented the means to travel to Mars or Jules Verne invented modern nuclear submarines. It's baloney. Mind you, great artists and authors, especially those who know what they are talking about, such as Heinlein and Asimov did, can indeed serve as catalysts and visionaries whose ideas advance the state of the art, but let's not confuse them with the guys who actually realise those visions.

    Replies: @Kylie

    So Hedy Lamarr was closer to “I am Tondelayo” than she was to scientific genius.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kylie

    Lamarr was an impressive person in a lot of ways: she was obviously a creative thinker. She just wasn't an engineer, and had she been the idea would have made no sense at the time. She was in the exact position of a science fiction writer who thinks up an idea, like a nuclear submarine in 1880 or the Starship Enterprise in 1965. Sometimes technology catches up with wild ideas and sometimes it doesn't-yet.

  343. @RedHeadedStranger
    @The Z Blog

    It wasn't a "line of attack" but an honest question. Sorry if you felt "triggered". I'll ask my question elsewhere, then. I just thought that since Steve has a reputation for being fact-based, I might get pointed in the right direction. Never mind, I'll ask elsewhere. Enjoy your Intellectual Superiority.

    Replies: @The Z Blog

    No, it was not honest in the least. Your reply makes that quite clear. It’s the Prog tactic of keeping the ficus on their enemy at all costs. Here, you could have replied any number of ways, but instead you implied that I was acting irrationally (triggered) and that Sailer is not acting from a basis of fact. It’s standard passive-aggressive Prog rhetoric. There’s nothing honest about it.

    You should try this out at Brietbart. There are people there more your speed.

  344. @Autochthon
    @Arclight

    I've noticed this particular tactic to move the goalposts by double-dipping: a passable (not especially unattractive, maybe even pleasant, but hardly gorgeous) woman such ad Gadot is targeted as being too perfect, glamourous, beautiful, and so on, and thus instead of the passable woman being realistic and average (as she is, whereas a truly stunning woman like Lynda Carter would have beauty and grace admittedly unattainable and not to be expected in the overwhelming majority of women...), now, in the perverted view espoused, a passable woman with an unremarkable figure becomes the Holy Grail of unattainable perfection, such that tubby or truly homely women are now meant to be what the average man should see as on his level.

    I see what they've done there. Clever bastards.

    Anecdotally, my wife is of course the most beautiful woman in the world to me (she is my wife!), but she is no Lynda Carter (I'm certainly no Ryan Gosling!). That said, because she is fit: she stands just under five feet tall and, not being obese, weighs just under ninety pounds. Yet all the wildebeests we casually encounter react as if she were an anorexic gymnast simply because she does not have a gut. This isn't a humblebragging "my wife is hot, bro" point – she is no Marilyn Monroe. Rather, I'm emphasizing that I know from personal experience, day in and day out, that the average (i.e., obese, nowadays) person now thinks a woman with a healthy, normal weight is some kind of freakishly petite creature to behold. It's astounding how quickly this deranged view has taken hold, if you only think about it and investigate the actual average heigjts and weights of people in, say, the 1950s (and probably even much later...).

    Replies: @Jay Fink, @Kylie

    Congratulation to your wife on staying fit. Since she is under 5 feet tall, she should weigh under 100 pounds. If people can’t compliment her, they should STFU instead of jumping to the erroneous conclusion that she suffers from an eating disorder.

    I’m 62, 5’7″ tall, very small-boned and weigh 125 pounds. I’m very comfortable at this weight and while no athlete, stay active doing house and yard work and can still lock my knees and touch my toes. The chubbies I know who consider themselves “active” are always on the go. This means they drive from place to place and then sit when they get to where they’re going. None of them are “active” doing any house or yard work

  345. @Been1
    Paul Newman was the exception, not the rule, in the 1950s. Most other Jewish leading men (Kirk Douglas, Tony Curtis, Walter Matthau, Cornel Wilde, Jean-Pierre Aumont, John Garfield) in the 1950s had two Jewish parents. There were some other "half Jews" like Fred Astaire and Melvyn Douglas, but they were not necessarily particularly handsome or anything.

    Out of the big four Jewish actresses now (Portman, Johansson, Kunis, and Gadot), three of them have two Jewish parents.

    Early Hollywood Jewish starlets like Bacall, Shelley Winters, and Judy Holliday also did. So did some of the later ones like Barbra Streisand and Debra Winger, who were two of the biggest female stars of the 1970s/80s.

    As the population of "half Jews" increased, there were more in acting, of course.

    Replies: @syonredux

    There were some other “half Jews” like Fred Astaire and Melvyn Douglas,

    Astaire’s background is interesting:

    Ethnicity:
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (father, who was raised Catholic)
    *German (mother)

    Fred Astaire was an American dancer, actor, choreographer, singer, and musician. His sister was entertainer Adele Astaire.

    Fred’s father, Frederic Austerlitz (born Friedrich Emanuel Austerlitz), was an Austrian immigrant; he was born to a Czech Jewish family that had converted to Catholicism in Austria.

    Fred’s mother, Johanna “Ann” (Geilus), was born in Nebraska, and was of German descent; she was from a Lutheran family.

    Fred’s paternal grandfather was Salomon Stefan Austerlitz (the son of Simon Juda Austerlitz and Ester Porges). Salomon was born in Prague, to Czech Jewish parents. Simon was the son of Juda Jakob Austerlitz and Ewa Slowa Neustadtl. Ester was the daughter of Abraham Moses Porges and Maria.

    Fred’s paternal grandmother was Lucia/Lucie Hellerová/Heller (the daughter of Emanuel Abraham Heller and Anna Morawetzová). Lucie was born in Postoloprty, to Czech Jewish parents. Emanuel was born in Postoloprty, the son of Simon Heller and Judith Friedenbergová. Anna was born in Roudnice, the daughter of Catrina.

    Fred’s maternal grandparents were David Geilus and Wilhelmine/Wilhelmina Klaatke. They were both German immigrants, born in Sussemilken/Sumilken, and were of the Lutheran religion.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/fred-astaire

    Out of the big four Jewish actresses now (Portman, Johansson, Kunis, and Gadot), three of them have two Jewish parents.

    Gadot’s not a big star.

  346. @Amasius
    @syonredux

    Why do people look better when they're almost dead from dehydration? Seems to conflict with the evolutionary fitness = attractiveness thing. Any random slob could kick Hugh Jackman's ass when he's in that condition.

    Replies: @guest

    They don’t look better, frankly. If you saw them outside the context of professional photography, you’d say, “Ew.”

    The point, I think, is like how fitness models use tanner and oil and lighting to show off every little nook and cranny of their musculature. It makes them stand out. That type of thing has almost nothing to do with what regular humans find attractive, though they generally do prefer their men to be strong.

  347. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    It seems to me that the beauty standard of some men around here is sort of fixated at the 13 year old boy or caveman level - they like women with really big chests. Anything less than 36D is some kind of Jewish conspiracy to make us all gay. Look at classical sculptures of Venus - the ideal of feminine beauty does not involve really big melons.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @AnotherDad

    By the way, Venus was the Goddess of Love and Beauty, not the Goddess of Perfect Breasts. There’s no reason to assume that in any particular work of art, even one where the artist represents feminine beauty, the artist is necessarily trying to depict what he finds personally most attractive. Nor what he thinks his audience should ideally be most attracted to. Such thinking has led to all sorts of nonsense about supposedly divergent beauty standards in olden times.

    That being said, I find classical Venuses to be more attractive than Gal Gadot.

  348. @Dave Pinsen
    @Charles Pewitt

    She was spectacularly beautiful.

    But one of the conceits of her '70s Wonder Woman was that she was supposed to be plain-looking as an Army secretary.

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @TWS, @bored identity

    bored identity would say that Mrs. Carter definitely have had and still has a plenty of plain-looking.

  349. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @Stealth, @International Jew, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Anon7, @Chris Mallory, @Jay Fink, @Right wing Jew, @Marcus, @Robert Dunn

    So because one half mick leftwinger says Ashkenazis arent white in a blog post, thats the be all end all? Ashkenazim are white in every way just like the Lebanese and Syrian Christians that blend right in and you wouldnt know without an autistic level facial analysis (Ralph Nader, Ray LaHood, John Sununu, etc). And any Jew who denies this should spend time in a black neighborhood or in a POC conference and see how long they last.

  350. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis
    @syonredux

    True, probably 20% of the Jews at Harvard are only half Jewish. My best friend was considered jewish by the Jews because his mother was Jewish even though he was never circumcised. He dated an orthodox Jew in high school, her mother would not allow her to date gentiles but she was allowed to date him because his mother was Jewish. Israel will also accept half jews as jews

    Half-Jewish people who are the children or grandchildren of either a Jewish father or a Jewish mother, and who identify as Jews, may make aliyah to Israel under the Law of Return and become Israeli citizens. They will receive help from the Israeli government. Thus even Israel grants full status and citizenship to half jews as being treated as fully Jewish under judea religious law

    if Harvard continues to count those who are Half black and 1/16 Black as being African America it would be logical to count half jews as Jewish just as half Cuban students are counted as Hispanic and even those who claim to be 1/32 Indian are counted as Native American. The majority of the Blacks at Harvard are actually mulattoes, as are their Black profs.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Maybe I’m the last person who should speak as an authority on this, but, halachically speaking, there is no such thing as a half-Jew, any more than a woman can be half pregnant. One is or is not a Jew.

    One is a Jew if one’s mother is a Jewess in good standing, and one has not willfully converted to another religion. (Even at that they can be sort of tolerant as long as the other religion isn’t Christianity, it seems.) OR if one has made a valid Orthodox conversion.

    Any rabbis out there to correct or add to that??

  351. @SteveRogers42
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think that if someone is playing the role of an action hero, to say nothing of an out-and-out superhuman, they should look like they could do something more athletic than tearing open a bag of Cheetos. Back in the day, Olympic swimmer Amanda Beard would have been physically convincing in the part. She had big blue eyes that put her waaayyy up on the Hot/Crazy matrix, and the physique of, well, an Olympic swimmer.

    http://cityandshorebucket.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/amandasept2015a.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    Evidence that men are designed for combat

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @syonredux

    Excellent resource -- thank you!

    (I'll have to get someone to read the big words to me, though!)

  352. @Jay Fink
    @neutral

    I am only one individual and perhaps I don't speak for all Jews but I was very much raised to think of myself as white. The whole idea of not being white would seem crazy to any of my relatives.

    Replies: @Glaivester

    I think the issue comes down to
    (1) whether a person in general feels sympathetic toward Jews
    (2) whether a person in general feels sympathetic toward whites.
    The more the person’s view of whites and of Jews is similar, the more he will think of Jews as a subset of whites.

    White nationalists who see Jews as the prime enemy will see them as non-white, as will Jews who adopt SJW stands on privilege, but who see Jews as an oppressed group rather than a “privileged” group. White nationalists who lack antipathy toward Jews (e.g. Jared Taylor) are much more likely to see Jews as fellow whites, as do Jews who support white nationalism (e.g. Nicholas Stix). At the same time, SJWs who support BDS and who see Israel as an apartheid state (and who see that as a bad thing to be) tend to think of Jews as another privileged group of whites.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Glaivester

    I enjoy the irony that the jew hating branch of white nationalists and the Jews who are SJWs, two groups who couldn't be more different than each other, share this belief that Jews aren't white.

  353. @Glaivester
    @Jay Fink

    I think the issue comes down to
    (1) whether a person in general feels sympathetic toward Jews
    (2) whether a person in general feels sympathetic toward whites.
    The more the person's view of whites and of Jews is similar, the more he will think of Jews as a subset of whites.

    White nationalists who see Jews as the prime enemy will see them as non-white, as will Jews who adopt SJW stands on privilege, but who see Jews as an oppressed group rather than a "privileged" group. White nationalists who lack antipathy toward Jews (e.g. Jared Taylor) are much more likely to see Jews as fellow whites, as do Jews who support white nationalism (e.g. Nicholas Stix). At the same time, SJWs who support BDS and who see Israel as an apartheid state (and who see that as a bad thing to be) tend to think of Jews as another privileged group of whites.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    I enjoy the irony that the jew hating branch of white nationalists and the Jews who are SJWs, two groups who couldn’t be more different than each other, share this belief that Jews aren’t white.

  354. This was some kind of promo/pilot deal that came out a couple years ago. Thought it was pretty cool — don’t know if it had any influence on the current film.

    WW can’t throw a javelin, though…

  355. @syonredux
    @SteveRogers42

    Evidence that men are designed for combat

    https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/873032347687329792

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Excellent resource — thank you!

    (I’ll have to get someone to read the big words to me, though!)

  356. @PiltdownMan
    @AnotherDad


    And what’s weird to me is this intense desire to see this female warrior–a complete fantasy of a competent ass-kicking female warrior. I get the interest in what the other sex can do. ...
    But what I didn’t feel was jealousy...
     
    Freud took a stab at why women feel that way. But I'm told his theory has been discredited.

    http://tinyurl.com/oqmccnt

    Replies: @anon

    Freud being ”discredited” is a bit like the ”Death of Communism”.
    The usual suspects keep parroting the line, but where’s the proof?

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @anon

    Talk therapy as a whole is on the skids isn't it? CBT and drugs usually have more convincing effect, as I understand it. So I'd say Freud is deader than Communism.

  357. @SteveRogers42
    @syonredux

    Rock ("The Dwayne") Johnson, still looking for that one big career-defining role. It's funny...he's extremely charismatic and at least as handsome as (and a far better natural athlete than) other "Expendables"-type Hollywood heroes, but he's never landed an iconic action-hero role like Arnie, Sly, or Bruce Willis.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    When I was a kid, I watched all of Ahh-nold’s movies and fantasized about being a big buff dude who went around wreaking havoc.

    Do little white boys watch The Rock and fantasize about being him? I don’t know.

    One thing about Ahh-nold is that his most iconic movies were veritable gorefests. They stick in your mind. Has the Rock ever slaughtered an entire army all by himself, or carved his own eyeball out of his skull, or ripped off a guy’s arms while tossing out a sarcastic remark? Some boys get off on stuff like this.

    Can you think of one memorable scene in a Rock movie that you can rattle off the top of your head, like “the Terminator shoots up the police station”? I can’t.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Stan Adams

    Another way to look at it is that The Rock has succeeded without having a great director the way Arnold had James Cameron.

    But, yeah, The Rock needs to invest, before he's too old, in a high quality action film that could become a classic so that he'll be remembered when he's 80.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Stan Adams

    Exactly.

  358. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie
    @Autochthon

    So Hedy Lamarr was closer to "I am Tondelayo" than she was to scientific genius.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Lamarr was an impressive person in a lot of ways: she was obviously a creative thinker. She just wasn’t an engineer, and had she been the idea would have made no sense at the time. She was in the exact position of a science fiction writer who thinks up an idea, like a nuclear submarine in 1880 or the Starship Enterprise in 1965. Sometimes technology catches up with wild ideas and sometimes it doesn’t-yet.

  359. @guest
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    They did have a scene where Hepburn stares in a mirror and laments her lost looks, so they acknowledged it. In think she was cast simply because people wanted to hear Hepburn and O'Toole yell at eachother.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    (Katharine) Hepburn was a horsey woman to begin with.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Anonymous

    Yes, but if you did didn't dwell on her bone structure you could pretend for the sake of the movie she used to be beautiful.

  360. @Charles Pewitt
    Lynda Carter Is Beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/RealLyndaCarter/status/834780320708837377

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Rifleman, @Neoconned, @Father O'Hara, @William Badwhite, @Robert Dunn

    Indeed

  361. An anti-Zionist dislikes the movie.

    …An Israeli soldier saves the world

    That cinematic allegory brings us back to the lead actress, Gal Gadot, a settler colonialist who did not just serve in the Israeli army, as any other adult in Israel must (except of course those brave souls who refuse to do so), but actually cheered on her comrades-in-arms when they were slaughtering Palestinian woman and children in Gaza.

    This particular Wonder Woman, Ms Gal Gadot, is no ordinary Israeli soldier. She is a fanatical warrior in the cause of the Zionist theft of Palestine and the uninhibited slaughter of Palestinians. Last time, she and her comrades went on a rampage maiming and murdering Palestinian women and children in Gaza and destroying their homes over their heads she cheered her comrades on:

    “I am sending my love and prayers to my fellow Israeli citizens,” she wrote. “Especially to all the boys and girls who are risking their lives protecting my country against the horrific acts conducted by Hamas, who are hiding like cowards behind women and children…We shall overcome!!! Shabbat Shalom!

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/06/watching-woman-gaza-170610082618366.html

  362. There was a back migration of caucasians into the horn of africa so that current ethiopians and somalis are genetically 40% caucasian.

  363. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    It seems to me that the beauty standard of some men around here is sort of fixated at the 13 year old boy or caveman level - they like women with really big chests. Anything less than 36D is some kind of Jewish conspiracy to make us all gay. Look at classical sculptures of Venus - the ideal of feminine beauty does not involve really big melons.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @AnotherDad

    Anything less than 36D is some kind of Jewish conspiracy to make us all gay.

    “It’s not the Jews, it’s the gay Jews!” (To rip off Garry Shandling.)

    It seems to me that the beauty standard of some men around here is sort of fixated at the 13 year old boy or caveman level – they like women with really big chests.

    LOL. I think even at 13, I had a pretty solid idea of what made women “attractive” and a “really big chest”–while certainly piquing a boy’s interest–was definitely not required.

    My post was an attempt to put the ridiculous Gal Gadot “not pretty” nonsense to rest. She’s obviously pretty, cute, attractive–and doesn’t care what we think while she enjoys her family and counts her Hollywood loot.

    But since you’re insisting Jack, my tongue doesn’t hang out around girls with big chests that arrive minutes before they do, nor am I even a Linda Carter fan. Why I wrote:

    Boyish figure — A bit. But no boys are built like that.

    is because her figure is indeed a bit straighter through the torso than the female norm.

    Since i’d never heard of her, the first thing I did–typical guy that the gay Jews haven’t corrupted yet–was an image search. And her not super curvy torso shows up in several images:

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=FKYHoc%2b2&id=37FEF7DBF780CCDC2A7C36B8964007B1DB7D1B6F&thid=OIP.FKYHoc-2NAdt3LSJjEWtRwDtEs&q=gal+gadot&simid=607989236868907960&selectedIndex=17&ajaxhist=0

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=CgQv3VV0&id=E57A9D10D2B8FD020805D92B56B86AC52D7DAECF&thid=OIP.CgQv3VV0HBK47rlQeqMESgEsEF&q=gal+gadot&simid=608024691825445562&selectedIndex=55&ajaxhist=0

    The gist of it is that she doesn’t curve quickly from hips/ass to a trim waist, but rather her waist is higher, she stays “thicker” longer and hence there’s more “straightness” to her through the mid section. In contrast the woman i’m most familiar with–AnotherMom–while with three kids and a lot of years is way less fit than Gal, nonetheless curves in much more sharply from hips/ass to waist. (I.e. she has a more “womanly” figure. No one would say “boyish figure”.) My youngest–a runner–has a rockin’ bikini body, which i’d say is objectively superior to Gal’s and it’s not because her chest is any bigger. It’s because she curves incredibly from her hips to a tight trim waist.

    Sorry Jack, Gal is fit, feminine and attractive. But “curvy” is just not her killer feature. And it doesn’t take a big boob man to feel this way. Even more of an “ass man” like myself picks up on it.

  364. @Jack D
    @Neoconned

    I hate to break this to you, but the Germans WERE the bad guys in WWI too.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    I hate to break this to you, but the Germans WERE the bad guys in WWI too.

    True. But so were the Austrians, Russians, French and British.

    The Germans were the most aggressive in bringing on the war, but all these folks contributed with massive, arrogant, clueless misbehavior.

    This isn’t the place for a big “Great War” debate, but one idea I want to push out to my fellow Americans, is that they are steeped in the Anglo-Saxon perspective and a lot of “Great War” thinking is retconned the (real) World War. And because of this I think we miss an important piece of the puzzle:

    A big part of what led to the 20th century wars was British and French imperialism. These nations had essentially “sewn up” a good portion of the world, locking out the commercial interests of other nations. And this system had no good way to accommodate a rising Germany.

    I’d argue–a counter factual–that if the world system had been the open free trade system that America imposed after the War–which widened with decolonization–then a rising Germany’s interests would have been accommodated without war. These wars were essentially the Germans–late to the nationalist party–attempt to get out of a “junior” role and push aside its bossy older brothers, who’d already grabbed up all the goodies.

    • Agree: Kylie
  365. @Hyperborean
    @syonredux

    Blacks have few accomplishments of their own so it is natural that they reach back to mythical pasts, even going as far as to appropriate other peoples' past (the Egyptians' being a common example). The sad part is that the writer has built his/her "We wuz kangz" narrative, not even on a culture that actually existed, but on a cartoon. It is almost as sad as those blacks who want to reject the chains of whites and Christianity by leaping into the chains of Islam and Arabs.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Blacks have few accomplishments of their own so it is natural that they reach back to mythical pasts, even going as far as to appropriate other peoples’ past (the Egyptians’ being a common example).

    The big promoter of that thesis was Martin Bernal, who wasn’t black. The people who hired him at Cornell were not black. The university presses who published his rubbish aren’t minority firms either.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    Blacks have few accomplishments of their own so it is natural that they reach back to mythical pasts, even going as far as to appropriate other peoples’ past (the Egyptians’ being a common example).

    The big promoter of that thesis was Martin Bernal, who wasn’t black. The people who hired him at Cornell were not black. The university presses who published his rubbish aren’t minority firms either.
     

    He peddled a high-IQ version of Black Egypt to the gullible....

    Replies: @Art Deco

  366. A big part of what led to the 20th century wars was British and French imperialism. These nations had essentially “sewn up” a good portion of the world, locking out the commercial interests of other nations. And this system had no good way to accommodate a rising Germany.

    1. All the European powers had concessions in China (for what that was worth).

    2. Very little of tropical Africa in 1880 was incorporated into any European state’s portfolio of dependencies. Germany competed on equal terms with Britain and France in the project of carving the continent up over the period running from 1885 to 1906.

    3. Germany was over-extended abroad during that era. All of its overseas dependencies bar the China concessions and German East Africa had been conquered by March 1916. Their military position was sufficiently weak that Britain and France could leave the task of ejecting them to local powers (Australia, South Africa, Japan, and China).

    4. Recall Georges Clemenceau’s judgment in the pre-war period that seeking territory abroad was a waste of resources that should be applied to defending against Germany. An atypical view among French politicians, but a reasonable one.

    5. The value of French trade with Belgium ca. 1910 exceeded the value of French trade with its African dependencies. (See Thomas Sowell’s critique of Leninist arguments re imperialism).

    6. Outside of Tropical Africa, French dependencies in 1914 consisted of a portion of Southeast Asia, a portion of the Maghreb, and several sets of islands (none of which had more than about 400,000 people living in them). In our own time, these territories contain just north of 1% of the world’s purchasing power.

    7. Outside of Tropical Africa, British dependencies consisted of India, Ceylon, Burma, the Malay states, Egypt, several coastal enclaves on the Arabian peninsula, and several sets of islands. Notionally, they included as well Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa. In our own time, each set of countries contains about 4-5%% of the world’s purchasing power.

    8. Britain had dismantled mercantilist controls on its domestic economy by 1850. The use of tariffs as a component of industrial policy was much more a German and Hapsburg affectation. We can check, but I don’t think you’re going to discover that the British parliament proscribed trade between its dependencies and foreign powers or had a tariff regime that was contextually remarkable.

  367. @guest
    @AnotherDad

    "But no boys are built like that"

    You miss the point. To say she's boyish doesn't mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.

    Gadot is more masculine than average for a female. That doesn't mean she necessarily looks like a man, though individual features of hers may be mistaken for male in isolation. There are girls who deviate on the other side, as well. There's such a thing as being too feminine; see the babyface phenomenon. The ideal is to have slightly above average femininity. Or masculinity, if you're a man.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @üeljang

    You miss the point. To say she’s boyish doesn’t mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.

    No point missing on my part. See my response to JackD.

    You and Jack are the ones who are confused–in your respective ways–about my response. And I don’t think it’s a failure in what I wrote. Gal’s attractive, but has less feminine curvature–straighter mid-torso–than the norm:

    Womanly figure — No
    Boyish figure — A bit. But no boys are built like that.

    Frankly–being down here at the beach (well actually up this weekend visiting my boy in Savannah) AnotherMom’s ideal not mine–any gal who is fit, not fat and without tats pretty much qualifies as “hot”. It’s a nightmare what modern young women have done to themselves.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @guest
    @AnotherDad

    "any gal who is fit, not fat and without tats pretty much qualifies as 'hot'"

    I don't believe you believe that. Men, children, and the elderly can be fit and tat-free. You're taking for granted that these gals look like adult women who haven't reached their expiration date.

    That being said, health and fitness are important. As are youth, style, and a great many other things. But to leave out the main part, actually looking like whatever sex you are, is simply to have low standards in my opinion. Though I don't doubt that a lot of guys give masculine women the benefit of the designation of hotness because "at least she's not fat."

    Instead of the beach, go to the nearest college campus. I bet you find loads of girls hotter than the manly Gadot.

    , @guest
    @AnotherDad

    "Gal's attractive, but has less feminine curvature--straighter mid-torso--than the norm"

    That is boyish. So why qualify by saying no boy is built like that? No one's saying her figure is identical to a boy's. (Not even the one implying she's a transsexual.) She's boyISH. Which is to say for someone who's a grown woman, she resembles a boy. Do you honestly think anyone thinks she actually could pass for a boy when they call her boyish? Then why bring it up?

    That's why I say you miss the point. It would be enough for you to leave it at "a bit," or to say something like, "She's not curvy, but she's not very boyish, either." But the way you write it, it's like you don't know what the suffix "-ish" means. And you come off like you're saying she's boyish, but she's not boyish or anything.

    , @guest
    @AnotherDad

    By the way, I could see someone saying she's attractive, despite the boyishness. Because she has other qualities. Hot is another matter. To me that would mean she inspires lustfulness, but she lacks distinguishing sexual characteristics for that. She does posses what pass for high-status looks in our culture, and men may be turned on by that alone.

    But the topic originally was prettiness, and that I will not accept. Prettiness implies femininity, and whatever else she is Gadot is not feminine.

  368. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @Stealth, @International Jew, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Anon7, @Chris Mallory, @Jay Fink, @Right wing Jew, @Marcus, @Robert Dunn

    Arabic is a language you fool

  369. @guest
    @AnotherDad

    "But no boys are built like that"

    You miss the point. To say she's boyish doesn't mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.

    Gadot is more masculine than average for a female. That doesn't mean she necessarily looks like a man, though individual features of hers may be mistaken for male in isolation. There are girls who deviate on the other side, as well. There's such a thing as being too feminine; see the babyface phenomenon. The ideal is to have slightly above average femininity. Or masculinity, if you're a man.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @üeljang

    “There are girls who deviate on the other side, as well. There’s such a thing as being too feminine; see the babyface phenomenon.”

    “Babyface” is not “feminine.” This is a misunderstanding that I encounter too often these days to let pass without mention.

    In an adult human (and any non-human ape as well), a large, broad, round, flattish face, such as is often called “babyface” in common parlance, is masculine (andromorphic).

    Feminine features include:

    *A relatively narrow lower face
    *Low cheekbones (which contribute to the former)
    *Large eyes, nose, and mouth relative to the total surface area of the face
    *High color contrast

    Low cheekbones, large eyes, and high color contrast might be features that are shared with a baby’s face, but the overall shape and proportions of a baby’s face are more similar to a masculine adult face than to a feminine adult face.

    • Replies: @guest
    @üeljang

    In common parlance, "babyface" means having a smooth, plump, round, and childish face, with small features. Of course, it also means "resembling a baby," and possibly these connotations aren't physiologically applicable to actually babies. I wouldn't know. Maybe everyone's wrong but you. But in that case, maybe you shouldn't take the term so literally.

    Usually it's applied to women, though not exclusively. None of the above qualities is masculine, that's for sure.

    "a large, broad, round, flattish face...is masculine"

    The ideal feminine face shape is oval, an oval of course being elongated roundness. Masculine faces have hard edges, a square shape, and aren't stereotypically round or soft.

    Also highly feminine is to have delicate features, and ones that don't stand out. Robust, as they say, features are a masculine trait. Babyfacedness implies small features which don't stand out. I also associate childishness with relatively delicate features, and that's part of the connotation.

    Plumpness, do we even have to talk about that? Women and babies share that trait, men not typically, though of course they can be overweight.

    Flatness isn't a feminine feature, on that we can agree. However, I don't think that's in people's minds when they use the term. Like I said, it's about softness, plumpness, roundness, childishness and smallness or delicateness. In other words, not masculine.

  370. @Art Deco
    @Hyperborean

    Blacks have few accomplishments of their own so it is natural that they reach back to mythical pasts, even going as far as to appropriate other peoples’ past (the Egyptians’ being a common example).

    The big promoter of that thesis was Martin Bernal, who wasn't black. The people who hired him at Cornell were not black. The university presses who published his rubbish aren't minority firms either.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Blacks have few accomplishments of their own so it is natural that they reach back to mythical pasts, even going as far as to appropriate other peoples’ past (the Egyptians’ being a common example).

    The big promoter of that thesis was Martin Bernal, who wasn’t black. The people who hired him at Cornell were not black. The university presses who published his rubbish aren’t minority firms either.

    He peddled a high-IQ version of Black Egypt to the gullible….

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @syonredux

    There is no 'Low-IQ" version. Bernal's version is the only version. The 'gullible' in question are the sort of people who purchase and read university press books. His work was favorably reviewed in The Village Voice. A collection of classical scholars did feel it necessary to publish a debunking volume.

    Replies: @syonredux

  371. @AnotherDad
    @guest


    You miss the point. To say she’s boyish doesn’t mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.
     
    No point missing on my part. See my response to JackD.

    You and Jack are the ones who are confused--in your respective ways--about my response. And I don't think it's a failure in what I wrote. Gal's attractive, but has less feminine curvature--straighter mid-torso--than the norm:

    Womanly figure — No
    Boyish figure — A bit. But no boys are built like that.
     
    Frankly--being down here at the beach (well actually up this weekend visiting my boy in Savannah) AnotherMom's ideal not mine--any gal who is fit, not fat and without tats pretty much qualifies as "hot". It's a nightmare what modern young women have done to themselves.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @guest

    “any gal who is fit, not fat and without tats pretty much qualifies as ‘hot’”

    I don’t believe you believe that. Men, children, and the elderly can be fit and tat-free. You’re taking for granted that these gals look like adult women who haven’t reached their expiration date.

    That being said, health and fitness are important. As are youth, style, and a great many other things. But to leave out the main part, actually looking like whatever sex you are, is simply to have low standards in my opinion. Though I don’t doubt that a lot of guys give masculine women the benefit of the designation of hotness because “at least she’s not fat.”

    Instead of the beach, go to the nearest college campus. I bet you find loads of girls hotter than the manly Gadot.

  372. @AnotherDad
    @guest


    You miss the point. To say she’s boyish doesn’t mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.
     
    No point missing on my part. See my response to JackD.

    You and Jack are the ones who are confused--in your respective ways--about my response. And I don't think it's a failure in what I wrote. Gal's attractive, but has less feminine curvature--straighter mid-torso--than the norm:

    Womanly figure — No
    Boyish figure — A bit. But no boys are built like that.
     
    Frankly--being down here at the beach (well actually up this weekend visiting my boy in Savannah) AnotherMom's ideal not mine--any gal who is fit, not fat and without tats pretty much qualifies as "hot". It's a nightmare what modern young women have done to themselves.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @guest

    “Gal’s attractive, but has less feminine curvature–straighter mid-torso–than the norm”

    That is boyish. So why qualify by saying no boy is built like that? No one’s saying her figure is identical to a boy’s. (Not even the one implying she’s a transsexual.) She’s boyISH. Which is to say for someone who’s a grown woman, she resembles a boy. Do you honestly think anyone thinks she actually could pass for a boy when they call her boyish? Then why bring it up?

    That’s why I say you miss the point. It would be enough for you to leave it at “a bit,” or to say something like, “She’s not curvy, but she’s not very boyish, either.” But the way you write it, it’s like you don’t know what the suffix “-ish” means. And you come off like you’re saying she’s boyish, but she’s not boyish or anything.

  373. @AnotherDad
    @guest


    You miss the point. To say she’s boyish doesn’t mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.
     
    No point missing on my part. See my response to JackD.

    You and Jack are the ones who are confused--in your respective ways--about my response. And I don't think it's a failure in what I wrote. Gal's attractive, but has less feminine curvature--straighter mid-torso--than the norm:

    Womanly figure — No
    Boyish figure — A bit. But no boys are built like that.
     
    Frankly--being down here at the beach (well actually up this weekend visiting my boy in Savannah) AnotherMom's ideal not mine--any gal who is fit, not fat and without tats pretty much qualifies as "hot". It's a nightmare what modern young women have done to themselves.

    Replies: @guest, @guest, @guest

    By the way, I could see someone saying she’s attractive, despite the boyishness. Because she has other qualities. Hot is another matter. To me that would mean she inspires lustfulness, but she lacks distinguishing sexual characteristics for that. She does posses what pass for high-status looks in our culture, and men may be turned on by that alone.

    But the topic originally was prettiness, and that I will not accept. Prettiness implies femininity, and whatever else she is Gadot is not feminine.

  374. After seeing this article over at Vdare I just had to come over and see how the Jew Derangement Syndrome types who infest the threads at Unz would process Steve’s observation that Gal Gadot is “pretty”. Boy, they did not disappoint my expectation that they would make utter fools of themselves. There’s, of course, the simple derangement of the claim, “Gal Gadot is not pretty.” The lists of supposedly prettier girls who aren’t remotely. And the video that claims the often-gravid Gopdot is a tranny. LOL!

    Contrary to the claim that grey-hairs like me prefer Lynda Carter, I think Gadot is prettier, though less strikingly individual. Carter had a better waist, hips and thighs and her broad if rather two-dimensional shoulders are… striking. But Godot’s features are less pointed and there is no comparison in the sensual appeal of the mouth. You’re not crazy to prefer the young Carter, but you’re not right, either.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Gandydancer

    I didn't want to comment on any of your points, because frankly they're just weird. But the point about the mouth I must address. The sensual appeal of her mouth can be denied, at least by heterosexual males. Her mouth is way too big. Big mouths are not feminine.

    I admit cartoons like to depict giant lips as great for kissing, but in reality they're off-putting. Plump lips on relatively small mouths are what you want.

    But all your talk about strikingness and pointed features makes me think you haven't looked at many untouched pictures of Gadot close-up. Try that.

    Replies: @üeljang, @Gandydancer

    , @Truth
    @Gandydancer


    And the video that claims the often-gravid Gopdot is a tranny. LOL!
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPMKlEwrIs8
    , @Pericles
    @Gandydancer

    Gadot is getting a bit old though. 35 or so by now? I'm sure there are sound judeo-feminist reasons for this and we shouldn't complain, but compare that to the pic elsewhere in these comments taken when she enlisted in the IDF.

    Replies: @Robert Dunn

  375. bored identity will decline another DC Marvelwood’s invitation to participate in Waiting for Gadot :

  376. I see the usual suspects are now coming out with their hands out and complaining that fat black women with an attitude don’t get these Greek Goddess Roles. Yeah its a mystery how that happened. I suppose you could waste the rest of your life and try to explain business to them, but go ahead and throw your life away. Revrum Shakedown don’t care none for facts. Simply being annoying and implying violence is how he eats and has a home with a roof.
    I suppose it will be an interesting real life experiment to see how profitable it actually is to patronize black delusions when “Black Panther” AKA We Wuz Kangs: The Motion Picture manages to eak out enough cash to at least pay for the insurance to cover the damage of having black patrons at your place of business.
    Has it occurred to anyone yet that offending blacks and having them boycott you could make you Billions and Billions of Dollars? They couldn’t even try to sue you, if the blacks were purposely avoiding your business, could they?

  377. @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    Blacks have few accomplishments of their own so it is natural that they reach back to mythical pasts, even going as far as to appropriate other peoples’ past (the Egyptians’ being a common example).

    The big promoter of that thesis was Martin Bernal, who wasn’t black. The people who hired him at Cornell were not black. The university presses who published his rubbish aren’t minority firms either.
     

    He peddled a high-IQ version of Black Egypt to the gullible....

    Replies: @Art Deco

    There is no ‘Low-IQ” version. Bernal’s version is the only version. The ‘gullible’ in question are the sort of people who purchase and read university press books. His work was favorably reviewed in The Village Voice. A collection of classical scholars did feel it necessary to publish a debunking volume.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Art Deco


    There is no ‘Low-IQ” version. Bernal’s version is the only version.
     
    Of the notion that the Egyptians were Black? That idea has been popular in the Black community for over a century. If you want to sample a low-IQ version of the idea, just do a search on google...

    The ‘gullible’ in question are the sort of people who purchase and read university press books.
     
    And those people are highly gullible when it comes to things that they want to believe. Cf the success of Gould's The Mismeasure of Man...

    His work was favorably reviewed in The Village Voice.
     
    There you go. PC groupthink. He was telling people a story that they wanted to believe.

    A collection of classical scholars did feel it necessary to publish a debunking volume.
     
    Can't say as I blame them. Just about every classicist that I know tells horror stories about having to deal with a "Woke" Black student who believes that Cleopatra was Black, Plato stole his ideas from Egypt, ....
  378. @Art Deco
    @syonredux

    There is no 'Low-IQ" version. Bernal's version is the only version. The 'gullible' in question are the sort of people who purchase and read university press books. His work was favorably reviewed in The Village Voice. A collection of classical scholars did feel it necessary to publish a debunking volume.

    Replies: @syonredux

    There is no ‘Low-IQ” version. Bernal’s version is the only version.

    Of the notion that the Egyptians were Black? That idea has been popular in the Black community for over a century. If you want to sample a low-IQ version of the idea, just do a search on google…

    The ‘gullible’ in question are the sort of people who purchase and read university press books.

    And those people are highly gullible when it comes to things that they want to believe. Cf the success of Gould’s The Mismeasure of Man

    His work was favorably reviewed in The Village Voice.

    There you go. PC groupthink. He was telling people a story that they wanted to believe.

    A collection of classical scholars did feel it necessary to publish a debunking volume.

    Can’t say as I blame them. Just about every classicist that I know tells horror stories about having to deal with a “Woke” Black student who believes that Cleopatra was Black, Plato stole his ideas from Egypt, ….

  379. @Stan Adams
    @SteveRogers42

    When I was a kid, I watched all of Ahh-nold's movies and fantasized about being a big buff dude who went around wreaking havoc.

    Do little white boys watch The Rock and fantasize about being him? I don't know.

    One thing about Ahh-nold is that his most iconic movies were veritable gorefests. They stick in your mind. Has the Rock ever slaughtered an entire army all by himself, or carved his own eyeball out of his skull, or ripped off a guy's arms while tossing out a sarcastic remark? Some boys get off on stuff like this.

    Can you think of one memorable scene in a Rock movie that you can rattle off the top of your head, like "the Terminator shoots up the police station"? I can't.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @SteveRogers42

    Another way to look at it is that The Rock has succeeded without having a great director the way Arnold had James Cameron.

    But, yeah, The Rock needs to invest, before he’s too old, in a high quality action film that could become a classic so that he’ll be remembered when he’s 80.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Steve Sailer

    True.

    Arnold's early career trajectory was Pumping Iron -> Conan the Barbarian -> The Terminator. (Hercules in New York doesn't count.)

    Pumping Iron put him on the map, Conan proved that he could carry a movie on his broad shoulders, and Terminator solidified his status as a leading Hollywood star.

    Terminator was a low-budget exploitation flick that exploded into one of the biggest moviemakers of the year. Ahh-nold was leery about playing a villain - he wanted to play Kyle Reese - but took the role at Cameron's insistence. It was a risk that paid off handsomely.

    Dwayne Johnson never took any big risks like that, did he?

    The Rock's first big role was ... the Scorpion King in Mummy 2? A sequel to a solid hit, featuring a neophyte actor who was nevertheless a proven star in pro wrestling. (One of his earliest acting credits was a cameo on one of the crappiest episodes of Star Trek: Voyager.) His first starring role was in the full-length Scorpion King movie - a spinoff of a sequel. He was already a known quantity, and neither he nor the movie broke any new ground.

    The thing is that Arnold and Stallone were the archetypal musclebound ass-kickers. They invented a new category of actor and movie. Never before had moviegoers been presented with such sheer (steroid-fueled) physicality.

    (I guess you could point to Steve Reeves as a 1950s actor with an Ahh-nold-ish physique. And The Terminator owes a lot to Yul Brenner's portrayal of a stone-cold robot in Michael Crichton's Westworld.)

    The Rock is a good actor and a smart guy, but he cannot possibly have nearly the same impact on the pop-culture landscape that Ahh-nold had.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    , @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    Another way to look at it is that The Rock has succeeded without having a great director the way Arnold had James Cameron.

    But, yeah, The Rock needs to invest, before he’s too old, in a high quality action film that could become a classic so that he’ll be remembered when he’s 80.
     
    Yeah, Arnie had a great string of action classics in the '80s and early '90s: Conan The Barbarian , The Terminator, Predator, Total Recall, Terminator II, Last Action Hero,....

    None of the Rock's output really reaches that level.....
    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    He was in Fast Five, which was the best action movie in the Fast & Furious series so far, which has arguably been the best action movie franchise.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @syonredux

  380. @Steve Sailer
    @Stan Adams

    Another way to look at it is that The Rock has succeeded without having a great director the way Arnold had James Cameron.

    But, yeah, The Rock needs to invest, before he's too old, in a high quality action film that could become a classic so that he'll be remembered when he's 80.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen

    True.

    Arnold’s early career trajectory was Pumping Iron -> Conan the Barbarian -> The Terminator. (Hercules in New York doesn’t count.)

    Pumping Iron put him on the map, Conan proved that he could carry a movie on his broad shoulders, and Terminator solidified his status as a leading Hollywood star.

    Terminator was a low-budget exploitation flick that exploded into one of the biggest moviemakers of the year. Ahh-nold was leery about playing a villain – he wanted to play Kyle Reese – but took the role at Cameron’s insistence. It was a risk that paid off handsomely.

    Dwayne Johnson never took any big risks like that, did he?

    The Rock’s first big role was … the Scorpion King in Mummy 2? A sequel to a solid hit, featuring a neophyte actor who was nevertheless a proven star in pro wrestling. (One of his earliest acting credits was a cameo on one of the crappiest episodes of Star Trek: Voyager.) His first starring role was in the full-length Scorpion King movie – a spinoff of a sequel. He was already a known quantity, and neither he nor the movie broke any new ground.

    The thing is that Arnold and Stallone were the archetypal musclebound ass-kickers. They invented a new category of actor and movie. Never before had moviegoers been presented with such sheer (steroid-fueled) physicality.

    (I guess you could point to Steve Reeves as a 1950s actor with an Ahh-nold-ish physique. And The Terminator owes a lot to Yul Brenner’s portrayal of a stone-cold robot in Michael Crichton’s Westworld.)

    The Rock is a good actor and a smart guy, but he cannot possibly have nearly the same impact on the pop-culture landscape that Ahh-nold had.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Stan Adams

    I saw The Rock wrestle at the Staples Center in maybe 2001 with Arnold in the first row.

    It then took The Rock a fairly long time to become a huge movie star. He made some decent movies in the 2000s but none of them quite caught on. One suggestion is that he modeled his career too much on Arnold in playing a variety of roles, whereas the newer model is to make it big playing just one character in a franchise, the way Vin Diesel doesn't do all that much except appear in Fast and Furious Movies.

    Then in this decade The Rock has been box office gold. But now it is time for him to focus on starring in a great movie.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Robert Dunn

    , @syonredux
    @Stan Adams


    The thing is that Arnold and Stallone were the archetypal musclebound ass-kickers. They invented a new category of actor and movie. Never before had moviegoers been presented with such sheer (steroid-fueled) physicality.
     
    Stallone's a different kettle of fish, though. He wasn't a body-builder who transitioned to acting. He was a working actor from the beginning (e.g., he had good supporting roles in Farewell, My Lovely, The Lords of Flatbush, Death Race 200, etc)And there was nothing steroidal about his pre-Rocky III physique. In Rocky, Rocky II, and First Blood, he simply looked like a fit guy who took his training seriously. It was Rocky III (and Rambo: First Blood, Part Two) that introduced the new, chemically enhanced Sly.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Stan Adams

  381. @Steve Sailer
    @Stan Adams

    Another way to look at it is that The Rock has succeeded without having a great director the way Arnold had James Cameron.

    But, yeah, The Rock needs to invest, before he's too old, in a high quality action film that could become a classic so that he'll be remembered when he's 80.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen

    Another way to look at it is that The Rock has succeeded without having a great director the way Arnold had James Cameron.

    But, yeah, The Rock needs to invest, before he’s too old, in a high quality action film that could become a classic so that he’ll be remembered when he’s 80.

    Yeah, Arnie had a great string of action classics in the ’80s and early ’90s: Conan The Barbarian , The Terminator, Predator, Total Recall, Terminator II, Last Action Hero,….

    None of the Rock’s output really reaches that level…..

  382. @Stan Adams
    @Steve Sailer

    True.

    Arnold's early career trajectory was Pumping Iron -> Conan the Barbarian -> The Terminator. (Hercules in New York doesn't count.)

    Pumping Iron put him on the map, Conan proved that he could carry a movie on his broad shoulders, and Terminator solidified his status as a leading Hollywood star.

    Terminator was a low-budget exploitation flick that exploded into one of the biggest moviemakers of the year. Ahh-nold was leery about playing a villain - he wanted to play Kyle Reese - but took the role at Cameron's insistence. It was a risk that paid off handsomely.

    Dwayne Johnson never took any big risks like that, did he?

    The Rock's first big role was ... the Scorpion King in Mummy 2? A sequel to a solid hit, featuring a neophyte actor who was nevertheless a proven star in pro wrestling. (One of his earliest acting credits was a cameo on one of the crappiest episodes of Star Trek: Voyager.) His first starring role was in the full-length Scorpion King movie - a spinoff of a sequel. He was already a known quantity, and neither he nor the movie broke any new ground.

    The thing is that Arnold and Stallone were the archetypal musclebound ass-kickers. They invented a new category of actor and movie. Never before had moviegoers been presented with such sheer (steroid-fueled) physicality.

    (I guess you could point to Steve Reeves as a 1950s actor with an Ahh-nold-ish physique. And The Terminator owes a lot to Yul Brenner's portrayal of a stone-cold robot in Michael Crichton's Westworld.)

    The Rock is a good actor and a smart guy, but he cannot possibly have nearly the same impact on the pop-culture landscape that Ahh-nold had.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    I saw The Rock wrestle at the Staples Center in maybe 2001 with Arnold in the first row.

    It then took The Rock a fairly long time to become a huge movie star. He made some decent movies in the 2000s but none of them quite caught on. One suggestion is that he modeled his career too much on Arnold in playing a variety of roles, whereas the newer model is to make it big playing just one character in a franchise, the way Vin Diesel doesn’t do all that much except appear in Fast and Furious Movies.

    Then in this decade The Rock has been box office gold. But now it is time for him to focus on starring in a great movie.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Steve Sailer


    Then in this decade The Rock has been box office gold. But now it is time for him to focus on starring in a great movie.
     
    From IMDb, a list of his upcoming roles:

    * Shazam! (announced, 2019) - Black Adam
    * Fighting with My Family (post-production)
    * Skyscraper (pre-production, 2018) - Will Ford
    * Rampage (filming, 2018) - Davis Okoye
    * Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle (post-production, 2017) - Dr. Smolder Bravestone
    * Big Trouble in Little China (announced) - Jack Burton (rumored)
    * Doc Savage (announced) - Doc Savage
    * Journey 3: From the Earth to the Moon (announced) - Hank
    * Jungle Cruise (pre-production)
    * San Andreas 2 (announced) - Raymond Gaines
    * The Janson Directive (announced)

    Maybe he'll star in a great movie in the next decade.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Robert Dunn
    @Steve Sailer

    I think 'San Andreas' was a great movie.

  383. @Stan Adams
    @Steve Sailer

    True.

    Arnold's early career trajectory was Pumping Iron -> Conan the Barbarian -> The Terminator. (Hercules in New York doesn't count.)

    Pumping Iron put him on the map, Conan proved that he could carry a movie on his broad shoulders, and Terminator solidified his status as a leading Hollywood star.

    Terminator was a low-budget exploitation flick that exploded into one of the biggest moviemakers of the year. Ahh-nold was leery about playing a villain - he wanted to play Kyle Reese - but took the role at Cameron's insistence. It was a risk that paid off handsomely.

    Dwayne Johnson never took any big risks like that, did he?

    The Rock's first big role was ... the Scorpion King in Mummy 2? A sequel to a solid hit, featuring a neophyte actor who was nevertheless a proven star in pro wrestling. (One of his earliest acting credits was a cameo on one of the crappiest episodes of Star Trek: Voyager.) His first starring role was in the full-length Scorpion King movie - a spinoff of a sequel. He was already a known quantity, and neither he nor the movie broke any new ground.

    The thing is that Arnold and Stallone were the archetypal musclebound ass-kickers. They invented a new category of actor and movie. Never before had moviegoers been presented with such sheer (steroid-fueled) physicality.

    (I guess you could point to Steve Reeves as a 1950s actor with an Ahh-nold-ish physique. And The Terminator owes a lot to Yul Brenner's portrayal of a stone-cold robot in Michael Crichton's Westworld.)

    The Rock is a good actor and a smart guy, but he cannot possibly have nearly the same impact on the pop-culture landscape that Ahh-nold had.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    The thing is that Arnold and Stallone were the archetypal musclebound ass-kickers. They invented a new category of actor and movie. Never before had moviegoers been presented with such sheer (steroid-fueled) physicality.

    Stallone’s a different kettle of fish, though. He wasn’t a body-builder who transitioned to acting. He was a working actor from the beginning (e.g., he had good supporting roles in Farewell, My Lovely, The Lords of Flatbush, Death Race 200, etc)And there was nothing steroidal about his pre-Rocky III physique. In Rocky, Rocky II, and First Blood, he simply looked like a fit guy who took his training seriously. It was Rocky III (and Rambo: First Blood, Part Two) that introduced the new, chemically enhanced Sly.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @syonredux

    Also, Stallone wrote the "Rocky" screenplay.

    , @Stan Adams
    @syonredux

    True, but he did help define the category.

    In his blue movie, released long after he was already famous, his hair was bigger than his muscles.

  384. Reddit has found a photo of Gal Gadot joining the IDF:

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @jim jones

    I hope the D.I.'s can clean up that salute.

  385. @syonredux
    @Stan Adams


    The thing is that Arnold and Stallone were the archetypal musclebound ass-kickers. They invented a new category of actor and movie. Never before had moviegoers been presented with such sheer (steroid-fueled) physicality.
     
    Stallone's a different kettle of fish, though. He wasn't a body-builder who transitioned to acting. He was a working actor from the beginning (e.g., he had good supporting roles in Farewell, My Lovely, The Lords of Flatbush, Death Race 200, etc)And there was nothing steroidal about his pre-Rocky III physique. In Rocky, Rocky II, and First Blood, he simply looked like a fit guy who took his training seriously. It was Rocky III (and Rambo: First Blood, Part Two) that introduced the new, chemically enhanced Sly.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Stan Adams

    Also, Stallone wrote the “Rocky” screenplay.

  386. @Anonymous
    @guest

    (Katharine) Hepburn was a horsey woman to begin with.

    Replies: @guest

    Yes, but if you did didn’t dwell on her bone structure you could pretend for the sake of the movie she used to be beautiful.

  387. @üeljang
    @guest

    "There are girls who deviate on the other side, as well. There’s such a thing as being too feminine; see the babyface phenomenon."

    "Babyface" is not "feminine." This is a misunderstanding that I encounter too often these days to let pass without mention.

    In an adult human (and any non-human ape as well), a large, broad, round, flattish face, such as is often called "babyface" in common parlance, is masculine (andromorphic).

    Feminine features include:

    *A relatively narrow lower face
    *Low cheekbones (which contribute to the former)
    *Large eyes, nose, and mouth relative to the total surface area of the face
    *High color contrast

    Low cheekbones, large eyes, and high color contrast might be features that are shared with a baby's face, but the overall shape and proportions of a baby's face are more similar to a masculine adult face than to a feminine adult face.

    Replies: @guest

    In common parlance, “babyface” means having a smooth, plump, round, and childish face, with small features. Of course, it also means “resembling a baby,” and possibly these connotations aren’t physiologically applicable to actually babies. I wouldn’t know. Maybe everyone’s wrong but you. But in that case, maybe you shouldn’t take the term so literally.

    Usually it’s applied to women, though not exclusively. None of the above qualities is masculine, that’s for sure.

    “a large, broad, round, flattish face…is masculine”

    The ideal feminine face shape is oval, an oval of course being elongated roundness. Masculine faces have hard edges, a square shape, and aren’t stereotypically round or soft.

    Also highly feminine is to have delicate features, and ones that don’t stand out. Robust, as they say, features are a masculine trait. Babyfacedness implies small features which don’t stand out. I also associate childishness with relatively delicate features, and that’s part of the connotation.

    Plumpness, do we even have to talk about that? Women and babies share that trait, men not typically, though of course they can be overweight.

    Flatness isn’t a feminine feature, on that we can agree. However, I don’t think that’s in people’s minds when they use the term. Like I said, it’s about softness, plumpness, roundness, childishness and smallness or delicateness. In other words, not masculine.

  388. @syonredux
    @Stan Adams


    The thing is that Arnold and Stallone were the archetypal musclebound ass-kickers. They invented a new category of actor and movie. Never before had moviegoers been presented with such sheer (steroid-fueled) physicality.
     
    Stallone's a different kettle of fish, though. He wasn't a body-builder who transitioned to acting. He was a working actor from the beginning (e.g., he had good supporting roles in Farewell, My Lovely, The Lords of Flatbush, Death Race 200, etc)And there was nothing steroidal about his pre-Rocky III physique. In Rocky, Rocky II, and First Blood, he simply looked like a fit guy who took his training seriously. It was Rocky III (and Rambo: First Blood, Part Two) that introduced the new, chemically enhanced Sly.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Stan Adams

    True, but he did help define the category.

    In his blue movie, released long after he was already famous, his hair was bigger than his muscles.

  389. @Steve Sailer
    @Stan Adams

    I saw The Rock wrestle at the Staples Center in maybe 2001 with Arnold in the first row.

    It then took The Rock a fairly long time to become a huge movie star. He made some decent movies in the 2000s but none of them quite caught on. One suggestion is that he modeled his career too much on Arnold in playing a variety of roles, whereas the newer model is to make it big playing just one character in a franchise, the way Vin Diesel doesn't do all that much except appear in Fast and Furious Movies.

    Then in this decade The Rock has been box office gold. But now it is time for him to focus on starring in a great movie.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Robert Dunn

    Then in this decade The Rock has been box office gold. But now it is time for him to focus on starring in a great movie.

    From IMDb, a list of his upcoming roles:

    * Shazam! (announced, 2019) – Black Adam
    * Fighting with My Family (post-production)
    * Skyscraper (pre-production, 2018) – Will Ford
    * Rampage (filming, 2018) – Davis Okoye
    * Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle (post-production, 2017) – Dr. Smolder Bravestone
    * Big Trouble in Little China (announced) – Jack Burton (rumored)
    * Doc Savage (announced) – Doc Savage
    * Journey 3: From the Earth to the Moon (announced) – Hank
    * Jungle Cruise (pre-production)
    * San Andreas 2 (announced) – Raymond Gaines
    * The Janson Directive (announced)

    Maybe he’ll star in a great movie in the next decade.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Stan Adams


    From IMDb, a list of his upcoming roles:

    * Shazam! (announced, 2019) – Black Adam
    * Fighting with My Family (post-production)
    * Skyscraper (pre-production, 2018) – Will Ford
    * Rampage (filming, 2018) – Davis Okoye
    * Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle (post-production, 2017) – Dr. Smolder Bravestone
    * Big Trouble in Little China (announced) – Jack Burton (rumored)
    * Doc Savage (announced) – Doc Savage
    * Journey 3: From the Earth to the Moon (announced) – Hank
    * Jungle Cruise (pre-production)
    * San Andreas 2 (announced) – Raymond Gaines
    * The Janson Directive (announced)

    Maybe he’ll star in a great movie in the next decade.
     
    Well, Shane Black's slated to write and direct Doc Savage, and his last three films were pretty good: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Iron Man III, and The Nice Guys.....So, maybe Doc Savage will be the one that they remember The Rock for....
  390. @Gandydancer
    After seeing this article over at Vdare I just had to come over and see how the Jew Derangement Syndrome types who infest the threads at Unz would process Steve's observation that Gal Gadot is "pretty". Boy, they did not disappoint my expectation that they would make utter fools of themselves. There's, of course, the simple derangement of the claim, "Gal Gadot is not pretty." The lists of supposedly prettier girls who aren't remotely. And the video that claims the often-gravid Gopdot is a tranny. LOL!

    Contrary to the claim that grey-hairs like me prefer Lynda Carter, I think Gadot is prettier, though less strikingly individual. Carter had a better waist, hips and thighs and her broad if rather two-dimensional shoulders are... striking. But Godot's features are less pointed and there is no comparison in the sensual appeal of the mouth. You're not crazy to prefer the young Carter, but you're not right, either.

    Replies: @guest, @Truth, @Pericles

    I didn’t want to comment on any of your points, because frankly they’re just weird. But the point about the mouth I must address. The sensual appeal of her mouth can be denied, at least by heterosexual males. Her mouth is way too big. Big mouths are not feminine.

    I admit cartoons like to depict giant lips as great for kissing, but in reality they’re off-putting. Plump lips on relatively small mouths are what you want.

    But all your talk about strikingness and pointed features makes me think you haven’t looked at many untouched pictures of Gadot close-up. Try that.

    • Replies: @üeljang
    @guest

    Males tend to have absolutely large mouths (as they tend to have absolutely larger measurements for nearly any part of the human face or body) because of their overall larger average size. However, what is important when discussing masculinity vs. femininity or beauty in general is the relative sizes of various body parts on an individual. The visible part of the mouth (normally, the lips) will appear larger on a feminine face because a feminine face has less projecting cheekbones, chin, and jaws, so the lips take up a larger proportion of the lower facial space.

    , @Gandydancer
    @guest

    "I didn’t want to comment on any of your points, because frankly they’re just weird. But the point about the mouth I must address. The sensual appeal of her mouth can be denied, at least by heterosexual males. Her mouth is way too big."

    Nothing I said could possibly be as weird as your claim that Gadot's mouth is unappealing to heterosexual males.

  391. @Been1
    @Opinionator

    That's just nuts. By that standard, no one is even close to 100% Jewish, so why even ask the question?

    If you're going back 2000 years to the Romans, why don't you just go back another 3000 years or so, in which case Arquette would be 0% Jewish?

    Are there any other ethnic groups you tend to go back 2000 years to determine the ancestry of?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Hey, the Jews are who claim they are half Roman, half Jews. Don’t blame the messenger.

  392. @Stan Adams
    @Steve Sailer


    Then in this decade The Rock has been box office gold. But now it is time for him to focus on starring in a great movie.
     
    From IMDb, a list of his upcoming roles:

    * Shazam! (announced, 2019) - Black Adam
    * Fighting with My Family (post-production)
    * Skyscraper (pre-production, 2018) - Will Ford
    * Rampage (filming, 2018) - Davis Okoye
    * Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle (post-production, 2017) - Dr. Smolder Bravestone
    * Big Trouble in Little China (announced) - Jack Burton (rumored)
    * Doc Savage (announced) - Doc Savage
    * Journey 3: From the Earth to the Moon (announced) - Hank
    * Jungle Cruise (pre-production)
    * San Andreas 2 (announced) - Raymond Gaines
    * The Janson Directive (announced)

    Maybe he'll star in a great movie in the next decade.

    Replies: @syonredux

    From IMDb, a list of his upcoming roles:

    * Shazam! (announced, 2019) – Black Adam
    * Fighting with My Family (post-production)
    * Skyscraper (pre-production, 2018) – Will Ford
    * Rampage (filming, 2018) – Davis Okoye
    * Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle (post-production, 2017) – Dr. Smolder Bravestone
    * Big Trouble in Little China (announced) – Jack Burton (rumored)
    * Doc Savage (announced) – Doc Savage
    * Journey 3: From the Earth to the Moon (announced) – Hank
    * Jungle Cruise (pre-production)
    * San Andreas 2 (announced) – Raymond Gaines
    * The Janson Directive (announced)

    Maybe he’ll star in a great movie in the next decade.

    Well, Shane Black’s slated to write and direct Doc Savage, and his last three films were pretty good: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Iron Man III, and The Nice Guys…..So, maybe Doc Savage will be the one that they remember The Rock for….

  393. @Stan Adams
    @SteveRogers42

    When I was a kid, I watched all of Ahh-nold's movies and fantasized about being a big buff dude who went around wreaking havoc.

    Do little white boys watch The Rock and fantasize about being him? I don't know.

    One thing about Ahh-nold is that his most iconic movies were veritable gorefests. They stick in your mind. Has the Rock ever slaughtered an entire army all by himself, or carved his own eyeball out of his skull, or ripped off a guy's arms while tossing out a sarcastic remark? Some boys get off on stuff like this.

    Can you think of one memorable scene in a Rock movie that you can rattle off the top of your head, like "the Terminator shoots up the police station"? I can't.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @SteveRogers42

    Exactly.

  394. @jim jones
    Reddit has found a photo of Gal Gadot joining the IDF:

    https://i.redd.it/uty4t76nt13z.jpg

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    I hope the D.I.’s can clean up that salute.

  395. @Steve Sailer
    @Stan Adams

    Another way to look at it is that The Rock has succeeded without having a great director the way Arnold had James Cameron.

    But, yeah, The Rock needs to invest, before he's too old, in a high quality action film that could become a classic so that he'll be remembered when he's 80.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen

    He was in Fast Five, which was the best action movie in the Fast & Furious series so far, which has arguably been the best action movie franchise.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen


    Fast & Furious ... has arguably been the best action movie franchise.
     
    Most lucrative, maybe, but better than Craig’s Bond or Damon’s Bourne?

    Both series have their clunkers and fantastical elements, but at least appear to be serious action movies. The F’n’F franchise is more adolescently cartoonish as befitting its younger target audience. I doubt Fast Five is going stand the test of time for prestige purposes.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    He was in Fast Five, which was the best action movie in the Fast & Furious series so far, which has arguably been the best action movie franchise.
     
    I have a very low opinion of the F & F franchise ( to my mind, it's multi-racial prole feed), but The Rock is simply one component in the franchise. He's not the star/driving force (pun not intended).
  396. @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    He was in Fast Five, which was the best action movie in the Fast & Furious series so far, which has arguably been the best action movie franchise.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @syonredux

    Fast & Furious … has arguably been the best action movie franchise.

    Most lucrative, maybe, but better than Craig’s Bond or Damon’s Bourne?

    Both series have their clunkers and fantastical elements, but at least appear to be serious action movies. The F’n’F franchise is more adolescently cartoonish as befitting its younger target audience. I doubt Fast Five is going stand the test of time for prestige purposes.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The first Craig Bond movie was great, and had a terrific opening action sequence. Fast Five's train heist was as good, and it was bookended by another tremendous action sequence at the end, with the safe heist/chase.

    The Bourne movies have a patina of sophistication, but I don't know how well they'll hold up.

  397. Most Zionist extremists I’ve spoken with not only don’t regard themselves as white but regard white gentiles (‘goyim’ – a Hebrew putdown) as their supreme enemies (especially Christians). This is one reason films about Christ that are blasphemous (‘The Last Temptation Of Christ’) are celebrated while genuine Christian films about Christ like ‘The Passion Of The Christ’ by Mel Gibson result in a hatefest in the media and, in the case of Mel Gibson, banishment from Hollywood for the better part of 12 years. And if you consider the accusation that Jewesses are always portrayed as unattractive or funny to be a load of crap then consider this – how many Jewish characters are EVER portrayed as the ‘bad guy’ or ‘bad girl’ etc???? Then combine that with a reflection on how many Hollywood films have been released of the Christian Holocaust in the Soviet Union, the Armenian Holocaust after WWI, the Cambodian Holocaust, the 35 million Chinese murdered in communist China, the bloodletting in East Timor and THEN ask yourself how many films about the Jewish Holocaust of WWII have been released by Hollywood?? You might must get a handle on who really controls that cesspool!

  398. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @Stealth, @International Jew, @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Anon7, @Chris Mallory, @Jay Fink, @Right wing Jew, @Marcus, @Robert Dunn

    What about Jews from Ireland, England, Sweden, Germany, France etc??? Are they also ‘not white’?

  399. @guest
    @Gandydancer

    I didn't want to comment on any of your points, because frankly they're just weird. But the point about the mouth I must address. The sensual appeal of her mouth can be denied, at least by heterosexual males. Her mouth is way too big. Big mouths are not feminine.

    I admit cartoons like to depict giant lips as great for kissing, but in reality they're off-putting. Plump lips on relatively small mouths are what you want.

    But all your talk about strikingness and pointed features makes me think you haven't looked at many untouched pictures of Gadot close-up. Try that.

    Replies: @üeljang, @Gandydancer

    Males tend to have absolutely large mouths (as they tend to have absolutely larger measurements for nearly any part of the human face or body) because of their overall larger average size. However, what is important when discussing masculinity vs. femininity or beauty in general is the relative sizes of various body parts on an individual. The visible part of the mouth (normally, the lips) will appear larger on a feminine face because a feminine face has less projecting cheekbones, chin, and jaws, so the lips take up a larger proportion of the lower facial space.

  400. @guest
    Is it possible they're not aware one of the biggest female stars in Hollywood, Natalie Portman, is not only Jewish but was born in Jerusalem? She gets to star in plenty of action movies, too, though she's not usually drop kicking 300-lb. men herself.

    They don't try very hard writing these articles. They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jim Don Bob, @Dave Pinsen, @AnotherDad, @Rosamond Vincy

    Hollywood has always been totally about physical type, not who anybody really is. Natalie Wood and Yul Brynner looked exotic, so they played many ethnic types, including Jewish, which neither was. Lauren Bacall was a blonde siren, so that’s what she played. Shelley Winters (born Shirley Schrift to Austrian Jewish parents) started out as a blonde 7th-Avenue model, so she played bombshells, and had to lobby for her part in “A Place in the Sun” because they thought she didn’t look mousy enough to play Alice Tripp. Eventually, she aged into frumpy matron roles. Winona Ryder (born Horowitz) is a natural blonde, but got most of her work with brunette hair.

    Now that it’s frowned-on for non-minorities to play minorities, not sure how all of this is going to play out. Sad, because it used to be called, “Acting.”

    • Replies: @Robert Dunn
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Shelly Winters didn't age into frumpy roles: After being a bombshell, like you said, she deliberately gained a ton of weight for 'The Diary Of Anne Frank' for which she won Best Supporting Actress Academy Award. However, she never lost the weight!! A few years later in 'Alfie' (with Michael Caine) she was still a porker and remained that way.

  401. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dave Pinsen


    Fast & Furious ... has arguably been the best action movie franchise.
     
    Most lucrative, maybe, but better than Craig’s Bond or Damon’s Bourne?

    Both series have their clunkers and fantastical elements, but at least appear to be serious action movies. The F’n’F franchise is more adolescently cartoonish as befitting its younger target audience. I doubt Fast Five is going stand the test of time for prestige purposes.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    The first Craig Bond movie was great, and had a terrific opening action sequence. Fast Five’s train heist was as good, and it was bookended by another tremendous action sequence at the end, with the safe heist/chase.

    The Bourne movies have a patina of sophistication, but I don’t know how well they’ll hold up.

  402. @Gandydancer
    After seeing this article over at Vdare I just had to come over and see how the Jew Derangement Syndrome types who infest the threads at Unz would process Steve's observation that Gal Gadot is "pretty". Boy, they did not disappoint my expectation that they would make utter fools of themselves. There's, of course, the simple derangement of the claim, "Gal Gadot is not pretty." The lists of supposedly prettier girls who aren't remotely. And the video that claims the often-gravid Gopdot is a tranny. LOL!

    Contrary to the claim that grey-hairs like me prefer Lynda Carter, I think Gadot is prettier, though less strikingly individual. Carter had a better waist, hips and thighs and her broad if rather two-dimensional shoulders are... striking. But Godot's features are less pointed and there is no comparison in the sensual appeal of the mouth. You're not crazy to prefer the young Carter, but you're not right, either.

    Replies: @guest, @Truth, @Pericles

    And the video that claims the often-gravid Gopdot is a tranny. LOL!

  403. @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    He was in Fast Five, which was the best action movie in the Fast & Furious series so far, which has arguably been the best action movie franchise.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @syonredux

    He was in Fast Five, which was the best action movie in the Fast & Furious series so far, which has arguably been the best action movie franchise.

    I have a very low opinion of the F & F franchise ( to my mind, it’s multi-racial prole feed), but The Rock is simply one component in the franchise. He’s not the star/driving force (pun not intended).

  404. @Gandydancer
    After seeing this article over at Vdare I just had to come over and see how the Jew Derangement Syndrome types who infest the threads at Unz would process Steve's observation that Gal Gadot is "pretty". Boy, they did not disappoint my expectation that they would make utter fools of themselves. There's, of course, the simple derangement of the claim, "Gal Gadot is not pretty." The lists of supposedly prettier girls who aren't remotely. And the video that claims the often-gravid Gopdot is a tranny. LOL!

    Contrary to the claim that grey-hairs like me prefer Lynda Carter, I think Gadot is prettier, though less strikingly individual. Carter had a better waist, hips and thighs and her broad if rather two-dimensional shoulders are... striking. But Godot's features are less pointed and there is no comparison in the sensual appeal of the mouth. You're not crazy to prefer the young Carter, but you're not right, either.

    Replies: @guest, @Truth, @Pericles

    Gadot is getting a bit old though. 35 or so by now? I’m sure there are sound judeo-feminist reasons for this and we shouldn’t complain, but compare that to the pic elsewhere in these comments taken when she enlisted in the IDF.

    • Replies: @Robert Dunn
    @Pericles

    Nobody in Israel enlists in the IDF. Military service is mandatory there!

    Replies: @Pericles

  405. @anon
    @PiltdownMan

    Freud being ''discredited'' is a bit like the ''Death of Communism''.
    The usual suspects keep parroting the line, but where's the proof?

    Replies: @Pericles

    Talk therapy as a whole is on the skids isn’t it? CBT and drugs usually have more convincing effect, as I understand it. So I’d say Freud is deader than Communism.

  406. @guest
    @Gandydancer

    I didn't want to comment on any of your points, because frankly they're just weird. But the point about the mouth I must address. The sensual appeal of her mouth can be denied, at least by heterosexual males. Her mouth is way too big. Big mouths are not feminine.

    I admit cartoons like to depict giant lips as great for kissing, but in reality they're off-putting. Plump lips on relatively small mouths are what you want.

    But all your talk about strikingness and pointed features makes me think you haven't looked at many untouched pictures of Gadot close-up. Try that.

    Replies: @üeljang, @Gandydancer

    “I didn’t want to comment on any of your points, because frankly they’re just weird. But the point about the mouth I must address. The sensual appeal of her mouth can be denied, at least by heterosexual males. Her mouth is way too big.”

    Nothing I said could possibly be as weird as your claim that Gadot’s mouth is unappealing to heterosexual males.

  407. @Charles Pewitt
    Lynda Carter Is Beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/RealLyndaCarter/status/834780320708837377

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Rifleman, @Neoconned, @Father O'Hara, @William Badwhite, @Robert Dunn

    25 or so years ago I was driving in suburban DC (VA) with a friend and we saw a really attractive woman standing next to a broken-down Mercedes convertible. We pulled over to help and it was Lynda Carter. She was very nice, very polite, and had a good sense of humor (or at least rolled with our endless Wonder Woman jibes).

    As I was driving her to a friend’s house she said “I bet you’re wondering why I didn’t just fly my invisible airplane”.

    She was classically beautiful. She’ll be beautiful in her 80’s.

  408. @Charles Pewitt
    Lynda Carter Is Beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/RealLyndaCarter/status/834780320708837377

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Rifleman, @Neoconned, @Father O'Hara, @William Badwhite, @Robert Dunn

    This picture works like Viagra!

  409. @Steve Sailer
    @Stan Adams

    I saw The Rock wrestle at the Staples Center in maybe 2001 with Arnold in the first row.

    It then took The Rock a fairly long time to become a huge movie star. He made some decent movies in the 2000s but none of them quite caught on. One suggestion is that he modeled his career too much on Arnold in playing a variety of roles, whereas the newer model is to make it big playing just one character in a franchise, the way Vin Diesel doesn't do all that much except appear in Fast and Furious Movies.

    Then in this decade The Rock has been box office gold. But now it is time for him to focus on starring in a great movie.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Robert Dunn

    I think ‘San Andreas’ was a great movie.