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Judging from TV commercials during the Olympics, a large fraction of American athletes are one-legged. But at the cutting edge of wokeness, such as \$60k Upper West Side private schools, one-leggedness is now seen as racist:

Collegiate School in Manhattan claims to have been founded by the New Amsterdam Dutch in 1628. The school’s teams are The Dutchmen and their mascot is The Dutchman, aka Pegleg Pete (Governor Peter Stuyvesant).

But the Dutch are white so … From the New York Times news section:

The Battle Over Race, Tradition and an Elite Private School’s Mascot

Collegiate’s Dutchman character got a makeover after students demanded the exclusive Manhattan school “address its own problems with racism and intolerance.”

By Corey Kilgannon
Feb. 19, 2022

… At Collegiate, it was the school mascot — a winking, peg-legged caricature of a Dutch settler — that emerged as a flash point. The decision to change it was met, predictably, with some outcry — but on both sides.

Some people lamented that what they saw as an important part of Collegiate’s heritage was being erased. They considered the Dutchman mascot as an inoffensive embodiment of school pride and a fond link to tradition at the boys-only institution on Manhattan’s Upper West Side.

There were others who supported the initial call for changing the mascot, which was viewed by some as offensive, from its Eurocentric and racist overtones to its crude depiction of a disability, a peg leg. But they saw the result of the extensive research project as a mere makeover that did not confront the broader issues of race and inclusion at Collegiate.

“It does close to nothing to address systemic racism and sociocultural inequality at Collegiate,” said Luca Rojas, 32, who graduated from the school in 2008.

While rethinking the mascot was laudable, Mr. Rojas said, changing it was “just skimming the surface of what actually needs to be done to address systemic racism and sociocultural inequality at Collegiate, which only makes it feel that much more hollow and performative.”

… A main objection to the mascot was that it was known to many as “Peg Leg Pete” and widely believed to represent Peter Stuyvesant, the wooden-legged 17th-century Dutch leader of New Amsterdam whose legacy has come under growing criticism because of his ownership of slaves, support for slavery and antisemitic policies.

Stuyvesant’s name is still used by the prestigious public Stuyvesant High School, where sports teams are known as the Peglegs,

Okay, here’s the pitch, it’s very high concept … the movie is a sports comedy about the worst high school football team in the world: the Stuyvesant Peglegs! The screenplay writes itself.

and by the sprawling Stuyvesant Town residential complex on Manhattan’s East Side.

The Collegiate controversy began in February 2019, when the organization for students of color, Jamaa, said in a letter published in the school paper that “Collegiate must address its own problems with racism and intolerance.”

The Jamaa letter, which was signed by 28 students, called for a more inclusive, less Eurocentric curriculum, and greater diversity among teachers and administrators beyond “cisgender heterosexual White men.”

In 1969, the letter noted, there had been two Black students in the graduating class. In 2019, there were also two Black students in the graduating class.

Niche.com says Collegiate is only 55% white.

“Collegiate is a place where Black kids get their hair gawked at and constantly touched without their permission as if they were animals in a petting zoo,” the letter said.

And it’s an all boys school, so you know today’s hair-touching crisis is bad.

Among the nine steps the students asked the school to take was No. 5: “a serious re-evaluation of our school mascot.” The letter called Stuyvesant “a vehement antisemite” who “ruled by hate and racism.” ,,,

Finally, after three years of study and redesign work, a modernized image of the Dutchman was sent out to thousands of parents and alumni last month.

Gone were aspects that some people had called offensive, including the original character’s peg leg and even his identity: The new figure is shown in silhouette, with his face obscured.

As part of the same review process, Collegiate abandoned other traditions, including references to God in the secular school’s motto and on its official seal.

To be precise, they changed the seal from “Founded A.D. 1628” to “Founded 1628.” Of course, they’re still counting from the (approximate) birth of Christ, so there will be much left to eradicate for future students looking to have something to write about in their college admissions essays, such as having the school seal reformulated to start with 1619 as the Year 1, so Collegiate’s seal will someday read “Founded A.B. [After Blacks] 9.”

… Another graduate, in an apparent dig at Jamaa’s 2019 complaints, said, “Don’t let some kid trying to add a paragraph to his college essay destroy 200 plus years of tradition.”

By the way, how come there are no one-armed athletes in television commercials, just dozens of one-legged jocks?

 
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  1. Is the new logo making the black power salute?

    Also the hat looks like a potter’s wheel in motion or the opening of a big gun. My mind is struggling to recognize it as a person, even though I suspect that is the intent. Maybe it just looks so menacing. With a slight touch up, it could be the new logo of the NSA.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @aNewBanner


    With a slight touch up, it could be the new logo of the NSA.
     
    I like this National Reconnaissance Office satellite logo...

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/NROL-39_Mission_Patch.png
    , @SaneClownPosse
    @aNewBanner

    The new logo looks like a Puritan, the privileged "white" people who could afford the large buy in to the Mayflower voyage and the incorporated colony in the New World. Shareholders in an enterprise spawned in The City of London.

    Oppressed by the King, they sailed with the King's generous land grant to occupied territories in the New World.

    Religious settlers pushing out indigenous peoples. That never happens in the Modern Era. /sarc

    White boys feeling the need to caress the hair on black boys?

  2. Someone needs to tell these children that if they don’t want their kids slaving away as agricultural workers for their Chinese overlords in the North American hog and corn belt, they need to get behind the most free and successful societies ever created, recognize they were created and continue to function because of white people, be grateful to be “on the team” and stop this foolishness.

    • Agree: Thea, tyrone
  3. “Collegiate is a place where Black kids get their hair gawked at and constantly touched without their permission as if they were animals in a petting zoo,” the letter said.

    “And it’s an all boys school, so you know today’s hair-touching crisis is bad.”

    Sounds as if the letter is inadvertently homophobic, and perhaps the LGBQT community should get involved. After all, why should the students object if LGBQT students or professors desire to initiate contact with fellow LGBTQ students? If the students of color do not have an LGBTQ identity but the hair-touchers do, it could still appear as latent homophobia on the students of color part. Who are they to judge an entire community within the school? Who are they to decide that they demand that their grievances should take precedent over other repressed communities?

    The Peglegs will have to step even more cautiously around the additional cans of worms that will soon be opening up.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Yo, Jimbo, that makes sense. In my day, which I guess includes most days until I realized we were approaching Peak Stupidity, say '16 or so, any guy even attempting to touch another guy's hair would have been immediately told "get away from me, you faggot!".

    There was one exception I know of involving a cigarette lighter and the guy's hair being on fire for about half a second. Seriously, I knocked it out with my palm, and still can't believe I did something that stupid.

    Perhaps, along with the no smoking film strips, the VD (or whatever they're calling it now) warning presentations, and the duck-and-cover drills, the students should have videos of the Michael Jackson and Richard Pryor prior hair-on-fire incidents streamed to their iPads with strong warnings saying that, "no matter WHO set your hair on fire, don't call him a faggot! That is NOT OK, mmmkaaay?"

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  4. To be precise, they changed the seal from “Founded A.D. 1628” to “Founded 1628.”

    Well, all the MORE reason to send those BLACK! and female astronauts to the moon, in particular, to the Apollo 11 Lunar Lander site… so they can switch out that dastardly plaque placed there by White Americans July 20, 1969.

    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Joe Stalin

    Good luck finding it on the moon:

    https://www.aulis.com/traj_craft.htm

    https://www.aulis.com/std_apollo11.htm

    https://www.aulis.com/miniatures2.htm

    https://www.aulis.com/handles.htm

    https://www.aulis.com/raytracing_as11.htm

    https://www.aulis.com/tranquility.htm

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  5. Anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Michigan basketball coach punches Wisconsin coach. The Michigan coach is black, of course. The Wisconsin coach is white.

    This, in a nutshell, is why we don’t have more black coaches in sports. They morph into fatheaded ghetto hoodlums under pressure.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10533599/Michigan-coach-Juwan-Howard-appears-throw-punch-Wisconsin-assistant-brawl-breaks-players.html

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anon

    Why would you call a timeout when you're 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad, @tony k, @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @Prester John
    @Anon

    Years ago there was an incident involving a black kid from Harlem who went to Phillips-Exeter. Upon coming home after semester exams he murdered somebody. Don't recall the circumstances but it was the subject of a lengthy NYT Magazine article which dealt with the fact that notwithstanding the efforts to produce the equivalent of a Preppie of Color all white limousine liberals could be proud of, he was still in his heart of hearts a homey--and with all the baggage.

    "You can take the boy out of the projects, but"...etc. etc.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Ian Smith

    , @Gamecock
    @Anon

    Similarly, I noticed at the SC women's basketball game on TV yesterday, several people, some who appeared to be part of the team's coaching staff, were wearing shirts that said,


    Black history is American history
     
    The ironing being that blacks have no history*, and that American history is black history - the reverse of da shirts - for all American blacks.

    *Blacks have no written language, so "black history" is impossible. They use (appropriate) English. Though many struggle with it.
  6. @aNewBanner
    Is the new logo making the black power salute?

    Also the hat looks like a potter’s wheel in motion or the opening of a big gun. My mind is struggling to recognize it as a person, even though I suspect that is the intent. Maybe it just looks so menacing. With a slight touch up, it could be the new logo of the NSA.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @SaneClownPosse

    With a slight touch up, it could be the new logo of the NSA.

    I like this National Reconnaissance Office satellite logo…

  7. I don’t know why anyone would want Peter Stuyvesant as a mascot. He was a thorough loser and apparently a very ill-tempered and dishonorable character to boot. He supposedly disliked Jews intensely, so it’s a bit surprising that his name has survived in NYC all these years.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Twinkie

    He supposedly disliked Jews intensely, so it’s a bit surprising that his name has survived in NYC all these years.

    As Jesse Jackson could have told you- "Hymietown ain't all it's cracked up to be."

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Twinkie



    ...his ownership of slaves, support for slavery and antisemitic policies.
     
    He supposedly disliked Jews intensely...
     
    Settlement policy wasn't in his hands, but the West India Company's. He had to tolerate their presence.

    He was a thorough loser and apparently a very ill-tempered and dishonorable character to boot.
     
    In other words, the perfect stand-in for FDR in Knickerbocker Holiday.
    , @PiltdownMan
    @Twinkie

    Apparently, Peter Stuyvesant was a brand of cigarette launched by a German company in the 1950s, and was positioned as a sort of jet-setting international brand, selling very well overseas. It became associated with America and all the modern glamour that the United States stood for in the eyes of the world, back in the go-go 1960s.

    I have a childhood memory, from the year I lived with my dad overseas back in the 1960s, the back covers of the international editions of the Time and Life magazines that my folks subscribed to would have an ad for Peter Stuyvesant every single week.

    https://i.imgur.com/ZjDcLDE.jpg?1

    https://i.imgur.com/KudDCbB.jpg?1

    Replies: @martin_2

  8. These kids are going to have a rough time balancing their ambition to be one of America’s rich elite themselves with their apparent dislike of America’s rich white elite. They are not aiming to be entertainers but to get to the top through their brains and an education based on the discoveries and accumulated knowledge of mostly white people. A lot of them are there because white people paid their way.

    What is it like to want to be the black version of white people that you tell yourself you shouldn’t like or respect despite the fact your whole life is based on what white people think and do, which you want to do, too?

    If you ask me, all this is a recipe for mental disaster. None of this can be reconciled. The cognitive dissonance is not good for anybody’s mental health.

    Americans of all kinds broadly speaking think mostly the same. We are citizens of a First World (mostly) Christian country and that is our baseline and people cannot scrub it away from their consciousness and most of their personal assumptions about themselves and the world. Their brains are permeated by Whiteness.

    Being American black doesn’t get rid of the whiteness.

    All these attempts to make the whiteness disappear are doomed, at least in our time.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @notsaying


    Americans of all kinds broadly speaking think mostly the same. We are citizens of a First World (mostly) Christian country and that is our baseline
     
    Thank you so much for this! I've been fervently hoping that the past 60 years were just a dream and now you've proven it. Sort of.

    Replies: @notsaying

    , @Prester John
    @notsaying

    The whole concept of "identity" itself, which appears to consume the attention of the so-called "well educated" crowd (read "Our Betters"), is ultimately a fool's game, with the players ending up in a sort of cul-de-sac or merry-go-round where they arrive back at the very spot from which they started. It's a meaningless attempt to resolve the unresolvable and, as you have suggested, a surefire recipe for clinical insanity.

  9. they changed the seal from “Founded A.D. 1628” to “Founded 1628.”

    Since most people get it wrong, they might have just changed it to stop confusing people.

    The plaque left by Apollo 11 on the moon reads man first stepped there in “1969 A.D.” so even mighty NASA — on the occasion of their greatest triumph — was unaware that the Anno Domini goes in front of the year.

    • Replies: @David
    @Franz

    Isn't the whole point of a highly inflected language that it doesn't matter (much) what order the words are in?

    Replies: @West reanimator, @Jack D

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Franz

    Anno Domini (In the year of our Lord) is increasingly out of fashion but the proposed replacement, "Common Era," just confuses people, so the moniker gets dropped.

    Replies: @Franz

  10. I love the new logo – it sends the message that white men should hide their faces in shame. It kind of reminds me of those perp walk photos where the suspect pulls down his hat so that his face can’t be seen on camera.

    The old guy was so cocky and confident looking. You’d think he would have been a great spokesman for the disabled – I didn’t let the loss of a limb limit my accomplishments. But I guess race trumps everything nowadays.

  11. @Twinkie
    I don’t know why anyone would want Peter Stuyvesant as a mascot. He was a thorough loser and apparently a very ill-tempered and dishonorable character to boot. He supposedly disliked Jews intensely, so it’s a bit surprising that his name has survived in NYC all these years.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @PiltdownMan

    He supposedly disliked Jews intensely, so it’s a bit surprising that his name has survived in NYC all these years.

    As Jesse Jackson could have told you- “Hymietown ain’t all it’s cracked up to be.”

  12. Collegiate is very NYC Askanazi. Morgenthau‘s kids and grandkids went there for example.

    BTW – Peter Stuyvesant having a productive life despite his pegleg was always hailed as a example of grit overcoming adversity.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anon


    Askanazi
     
    Ask-a-Nazi? Is this a new column at Unz? Like “Ask a Mexican?”
    , @slumber_j
    @Anon

    Yeah: Collegiate has been very, very Jewish for a very long time.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Flip

  13. @Twinkie
    I don’t know why anyone would want Peter Stuyvesant as a mascot. He was a thorough loser and apparently a very ill-tempered and dishonorable character to boot. He supposedly disliked Jews intensely, so it’s a bit surprising that his name has survived in NYC all these years.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @PiltdownMan

    …his ownership of slaves, support for slavery and antisemitic policies.

    He supposedly disliked Jews intensely…

    Settlement policy wasn’t in his hands, but the West India Company’s. He had to tolerate their presence.

    He was a thorough loser and apparently a very ill-tempered and dishonorable character to boot.

    In other words, the perfect stand-in for FDR in Knickerbocker Holiday.

  14. as offensive, from its Eurocentric and racist overtones to

    So nonwhite mascots are out, but so are white ones. How soon will PETA chime in?

    By the way, what color are the “Commanders” supposed to be?

  15. @Anon
    Collegiate is very NYC Askanazi. Morgenthau‘s kids and grandkids went there for example.

    BTW - Peter Stuyvesant having a productive life despite his pegleg was always hailed as a example of grit overcoming adversity.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @slumber_j

    Askanazi

    Ask-a-Nazi? Is this a new column at Unz? Like “Ask a Mexican?”

  16. @Franz

    they changed the seal from “Founded A.D. 1628” to “Founded 1628.”
     
    Since most people get it wrong, they might have just changed it to stop confusing people.

    The plaque left by Apollo 11 on the moon reads man first stepped there in "1969 A.D." so even mighty NASA -- on the occasion of their greatest triumph -- was unaware that the Anno Domini goes in front of the year.

    Replies: @David, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Isn’t the whole point of a highly inflected language that it doesn’t matter (much) what order the words are in?

    • Replies: @West reanimator
    @David


    Isn’t the whole point of a highly inflected language that it doesn’t matter (much) what order the words are in?
     
    Correct. Reply guy forgot to learn even the basics of the language with which he's trying to be pedantic.
    , @Jack D
    @David


    Isn’t the whole point of a highly inflected language that it doesn’t matter (much) what order the words are in?
     
    That's not true. AD mean Anno Domini XXXX = [In the] Year [of our] Lord XXXX. Now Anno and Domini are both inflected from their roots (annus, dominus) in order to give this meaning in Latin but you can't just scramble the word order and retain the same meaning any more than you can say 1492 Year in English when you mean to say the Year 1492. People will get what you mean but that doesn't make it grammatical. You can say 2022 CE meaning 2022 [of the] Common Era but AD precedes the numerical date.

    Replies: @Muggles

  17. Anon[250] • Disclaimer says:

    Actually, with all the huge “exploding bird’s nest” hairstyles and other weird stuff that black boys are wearing these days, not to mention black men in the workplace, I can see a surge of black hair gawking and grabbing.

    On the other hand, if it’s really a problem there would be a written, dated, named-filled audit trail of complaints by eager-to-cry-racism students. How many of these complaints have there been? More than zero?

  18. @Anon
    OT: Michigan basketball coach punches Wisconsin coach. The Michigan coach is black, of course. The Wisconsin coach is white.

    This, in a nutshell, is why we don't have more black coaches in sports. They morph into fatheaded ghetto hoodlums under pressure.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10533599/Michigan-coach-Juwan-Howard-appears-throw-punch-Wisconsin-assistant-brawl-breaks-players.html

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Prester John, @Gamecock

    Why would you call a timeout when you’re 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @AndrewR


    Why would you call a timeout when you’re 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.
     
    History.
    , @AnotherDad
    @AndrewR


    Why would you call a timeout when you’re 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.
     
    Seriously Andrew? You're going to go with the "what-a-bout" to justify this crap?

    And actually--i read it yesterday--the Wisconsin coach had a very solid explanation. After a timeout the clock for crossing half-court gets reset to 10s. So he was giving his guys more time to break the Michigan press. In other words, he was being a logical white guy coach.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @tony k
    @AndrewR

    Howard was full court pressing Wisconsin’s deep subs and they were unraveling. That was the bush move.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @AndrewR

    I read the ESPN article on this. You can smell their desire to protect Howard, but they admit that he had ordered his Michigan team to continue pressing Wisconsin's lineup of walk-on scrubs who were just getting their name in the box score. The Wisconsin coach called time out so that his team would have the full 10 seconds to get the ball across half court, rather than the only 4 seconds that would have been available without a time out.

    So the Wisconsin coach was both giving his players a better chance of not embarassing themselves, and also retaliating against Howard's insistence on pressing even though he himself admitted that the game's outcome was already decided.

    Howard is a hypocrite and a bully.

  19. I remember during the Bush years that there seemed to be more commercials (relatively speaking) of young white males with prosthetics doing normal things. I thought right away that this was the attempt to normalize and justify catastrophic injuries young men received while fighting the useless Bush wars. It was one of the first times I “noticed” that there was definitely a coordinated effort between government and media to establish a narrative.

  20. I guess the ads with one legged people are referencing the Paralympic games, which I’m sure nobody watches. But good for the athletes.

    Why isn’t Dutchmen demeaning to the Dutch? Shouldn’t they have to change the name to the Commanders, or the “Collegiate Football Team”?

  21. @Twinkie
    I don’t know why anyone would want Peter Stuyvesant as a mascot. He was a thorough loser and apparently a very ill-tempered and dishonorable character to boot. He supposedly disliked Jews intensely, so it’s a bit surprising that his name has survived in NYC all these years.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Reg Cæsar, @PiltdownMan

    Apparently, Peter Stuyvesant was a brand of cigarette launched by a German company in the 1950s, and was positioned as a sort of jet-setting international brand, selling very well overseas. It became associated with America and all the modern glamour that the United States stood for in the eyes of the world, back in the go-go 1960s.

    I have a childhood memory, from the year I lived with my dad overseas back in the 1960s, the back covers of the international editions of the Time and Life magazines that my folks subscribed to would have an ad for Peter Stuyvesant every single week.

    • Thanks: Twinkie
    • Replies: @martin_2
    @PiltdownMan

    One of my enduring memories from my childhood in the 1960's is the musical tune that played on the Peter Stuyvesent radio and TV ads. It was a really powerful commercial.

    As others have pointed out, surely the fact that this bloke became powerful and famous despite having a disability is a reason to celebrate him? Left wing people don't want disabled people to have positive role models, they want them to feel hopeless and helpless.

  22. The problem with posts like this, Mr iSteve, is that they offer a tremendous temptation to codgers like me to comment using self-indulgent reminiscences about my own life. This is a dangerous game since it might lead to my being elected President of the United States.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @dearieme

    This is a dangerous game since it might lead to my being elected President of the United States.

    Not to worry. The very fact that you commented on Steve's posts disqualifies you from the presidency. In fact you can expect a cordial visit from Joseph Mifsud just to reminisce about the good old days on the intertubes . After that, you'll be lucky to stay out of Prison.

  23. The smart money says the youths were recruited to make this complaint by ringers on the faculty, and that every last one of those ringers has an MEd degree.

    • Agree: West reanimator
  24. I get a lot of my knowledge of NY City from Billy Joel songs, he having grown up close by in Long Guy Land,* at least as best as I can make it out during my bouts of chronic lyricosis.

    From the hit song You May Be Right, I gathered that Peter Stuyvesant was a very bad man, having created a neighborhood so black and Puerto Rican that even younger Billy Joel compared walking through Bedford-Stuy at night to being stranded in a combat zone. (And who the hell is Bedford? I’ll wait for the next album.) So, yeah, take him off the logo.

    I will say that, anti-Whiteness aside, taking the “AD” off the logo makes common sense. Most of us would be pretty confident this school wasn’t formed over 2 millennia ago. Hell, even the indigenous Indians wouldn’t have been around yet. This would make more room for “Welcome Bi-POCS” or even “Welcome Mono-POCs” as long as they aren’t crippled White people.

    .

    * Something about Oyster Bay, from his Billy the Kid.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Billy Joel, keep in mind, was pretty damn prescient about the future of New York City. He wrote this Sci-Fi song in 1975, and Peak Stupidity was just a month late in noting arrival of the year predicted in Miami 2017 in our post Billy Joel Sci-Fi song expired last year.

    I would say he was off by less than a decade, the way things are going, out of 5 or so. That's a lot better than Mike Judge's being off by 480 years out of 500 with Idiocracy.

    This only sounds like "the piano man" playing till a minute 40 sec. in. This is a ROCK song, and what a great band, heard best in this live version.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isG3qkQXBic

    I've seen the lights go out on Broadway.
    I've watched the mighty skyline fall.
    The boats were waiting at the battery.
    The union went on strike.
    They never sailed at all.
    They sent a carrier out from Norfolk,
    and picked the Yankees up for free.
    They said that Queens could stay.
    They blew the Bronx away,
    and sank Manhattan out at sea.

  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    I get a lot of my knowledge of NY City from Billy Joel songs, he having grown up close by in Long Guy Land,* at least as best as I can make it out during my bouts of chronic lyricosis.

    From the hit song You May Be Right, I gathered that Peter Stuyvesant was a very bad man, having created a neighborhood so black and Puerto Rican that even younger Billy Joel compared walking through Bedford-Stuy at night to being stranded in a combat zone. (And who the hell is Bedford? I'll wait for the next album.) So, yeah, take him off the logo.

    I will say that, anti-Whiteness aside, taking the "AD" off the logo makes common sense. Most of us would be pretty confident this school wasn't formed over 2 millennia ago. Hell, even the indigenous Indians wouldn't have been around yet. This would make more room for "Welcome Bi-POCS" or even "Welcome Mono-POCs" as long as they aren't crippled White people.


    .

    * Something about Oyster Bay, from his Billy the Kid.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Billy Joel, keep in mind, was pretty damn prescient about the future of New York City. He wrote this Sci-Fi song in 1975, and Peak Stupidity was just a month late in noting arrival of the year predicted in Miami 2017 in our post Billy Joel Sci-Fi song expired last year.

    I would say he was off by less than a decade, the way things are going, out of 5 or so. That’s a lot better than Mike Judge’s being off by 480 years out of 500 with Idiocracy.

    This only sounds like “the piano man” playing till a minute 40 sec. in. This is a ROCK song, and what a great band, heard best in this live version.

    I’ve seen the lights go out on Broadway.
    I’ve watched the mighty skyline fall.
    The boats were waiting at the battery.
    The union went on strike.
    They never sailed at all.
    They sent a carrier out from Norfolk,
    and picked the Yankees up for free.
    They said that Queens could stay.
    They blew the Bronx away,
    and sank Manhattan out at sea.

  26. @notsaying
    These kids are going to have a rough time balancing their ambition to be one of America's rich elite themselves with their apparent dislike of America's rich white elite. They are not aiming to be entertainers but to get to the top through their brains and an education based on the discoveries and accumulated knowledge of mostly white people. A lot of them are there because white people paid their way.

    What is it like to want to be the black version of white people that you tell yourself you shouldn't like or respect despite the fact your whole life is based on what white people think and do, which you want to do, too?

    If you ask me, all this is a recipe for mental disaster. None of this can be reconciled. The cognitive dissonance is not good for anybody's mental health.

    Americans of all kinds broadly speaking think mostly the same. We are citizens of a First World (mostly) Christian country and that is our baseline and people cannot scrub it away from their consciousness and most of their personal assumptions about themselves and the world. Their brains are permeated by Whiteness.

    Being American black doesn't get rid of the whiteness.

    All these attempts to make the whiteness disappear are doomed, at least in our time.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Prester John

    Americans of all kinds broadly speaking think mostly the same. We are citizens of a First World (mostly) Christian country and that is our baseline

    Thank you so much for this! I’ve been fervently hoping that the past 60 years were just a dream and now you’ve proven it. Sort of.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Hangnail Hans

    I did not mean that we don't have all kinds of opinions on different things but that by growing up in a mostly Christian, First World country, we share a certain fundamental way of looking at the world.

  27. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    “Collegiate is a place where Black kids get their hair gawked at and constantly touched without their permission as if they were animals in a petting zoo,” the letter said.

    "And it’s an all boys school, so you know today’s hair-touching crisis is bad."

    Sounds as if the letter is inadvertently homophobic, and perhaps the LGBQT community should get involved. After all, why should the students object if LGBQT students or professors desire to initiate contact with fellow LGBTQ students? If the students of color do not have an LGBTQ identity but the hair-touchers do, it could still appear as latent homophobia on the students of color part. Who are they to judge an entire community within the school? Who are they to decide that they demand that their grievances should take precedent over other repressed communities?

    The Peglegs will have to step even more cautiously around the additional cans of worms that will soon be opening up.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Yo, Jimbo, that makes sense. In my day, which I guess includes most days until I realized we were approaching Peak Stupidity, say ’16 or so, any guy even attempting to touch another guy’s hair would have been immediately told “get away from me, you faggot!”.

    There was one exception I know of involving a cigarette lighter and the guy’s hair being on fire for about half a second. Seriously, I knocked it out with my palm, and still can’t believe I did something that stupid.

    Perhaps, along with the no smoking film strips, the VD (or whatever they’re calling it now) warning presentations, and the duck-and-cover drills, the students should have videos of the Michael Jackson and Richard Pryor prior hair-on-fire incidents streamed to their iPads with strong warnings saying that, “no matter WHO set your hair on fire, don’t call him a faggot! That is NOT OK, mmmkaaay?”

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "any guy even attempting to touch another guy’s hair would have been immediately told “get away from me, you faggot!”."

    Apparently this went over everyone's head at Collegiate, except for those male students (or male professors) who have a great desire to touch other male student's hair. Let's not so quickly dismiss the possibility that hair-touching at an all-male school could be a sign of attempted mating, foreplay, etc and that perhaps sexual hair-touching is a unique thing among the G's, a subset if you will, among the LGBTQ community at large. After all, G's are quite overrepresented in the fashion world, including the hair styling world. Perhaps the lengthy dreadlocks laced with hair color dyes are too much for other male students/male professors to resist, and they just can't help themselves.


    Especially if the male students' hair resembles their adult counterparts:

    https://i2.wp.com/sidelinesocialite.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/YouDoodleDrawing-22.jpg


    https://i1.wp.com/sidelinesocialite.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/YouDoodleDrawing-81.jpg

    Of course, it is a bit gay of a man to frail around like a woman by exclaiming "Don't touch my hair, bro!" But then, its also a bit gay for a man to go all in by taking dreds to the next level.

  28. By the way, how come there are no one-armed athletes in television commercials, just dozens of one-legged jocks?

    People tend to lose legs in car accidents and war, not so much their arms. And it’s a lot easier to substitute a lost leg with a prosthetic from a performance perspective than an arm.

    Since prosthetic legs tend to be hidden from view people tend to underestimate how common a lost leg in a car crash actually tends to be.

    And in terms of ads they are visually interesting and life affirming and, crucially, highly impactful despite often not being famous and expensive to hire.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @Altai

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD4KK1wh1RM

  29. @Anon
    OT: Michigan basketball coach punches Wisconsin coach. The Michigan coach is black, of course. The Wisconsin coach is white.

    This, in a nutshell, is why we don't have more black coaches in sports. They morph into fatheaded ghetto hoodlums under pressure.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10533599/Michigan-coach-Juwan-Howard-appears-throw-punch-Wisconsin-assistant-brawl-breaks-players.html

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Prester John, @Gamecock

    Years ago there was an incident involving a black kid from Harlem who went to Phillips-Exeter. Upon coming home after semester exams he murdered somebody. Don’t recall the circumstances but it was the subject of a lengthy NYT Magazine article which dealt with the fact that notwithstanding the efforts to produce the equivalent of a Preppie of Color all white limousine liberals could be proud of, he was still in his heart of hearts a homey–and with all the baggage.

    “You can take the boy out of the projects, but”…etc. etc.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Prester John

    Was it Eddie Perry?

    Perry, age 17 and his older brother, Jonah, tried to mug a plainclothes cop. They had him on the ground and were beating and kicking him, but the cop pulled his ankle gun and plugged Eddie with 3 rounds. His loyal and faithful brother took off. This happened next to Morningside Park, the same place where Tessa Majors was stabbed to death under similar circumstances. Naturally the family said he dindu nuffin but luckily some people happened to be looking out the windows of St. Luke's Hospital adjacent and saw it go down.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Edmund_Perry

    Eddie had a summer job on Wall St. and was going to start Stanford on scholarship in the fall, so he didn't need the $, but I guess he thought that he and his brother would just mug someone for old time's sake, in order to Keep it Real.

    Today this would cause riots but in 1985 it didn't. Eddie's mother sued the NYPD. Today she would get millions but in 1989 she settled for $75,000. The past is a different country.

    , @Ian Smith
    @Prester John

    They had a Law & Order episode about that were the poor black kid was pressured into selling drugs by his Haven Monaghan-like classmates.

  30. When Gamecock was in school, students demanded would have got you expelled.

  31. @Anon
    OT: Michigan basketball coach punches Wisconsin coach. The Michigan coach is black, of course. The Wisconsin coach is white.

    This, in a nutshell, is why we don't have more black coaches in sports. They morph into fatheaded ghetto hoodlums under pressure.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10533599/Michigan-coach-Juwan-Howard-appears-throw-punch-Wisconsin-assistant-brawl-breaks-players.html

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Prester John, @Gamecock

    Similarly, I noticed at the SC women’s basketball game on TV yesterday, several people, some who appeared to be part of the team’s coaching staff, were wearing shirts that said,

    Black history is American history

    The ironing being that blacks have no history*, and that American history is black history – the reverse of da shirts – for all American blacks.

    *Blacks have no written language, so “black history” is impossible. They use (appropriate) English. Though many struggle with it.

  32. @David
    @Franz

    Isn't the whole point of a highly inflected language that it doesn't matter (much) what order the words are in?

    Replies: @West reanimator, @Jack D

    Isn’t the whole point of a highly inflected language that it doesn’t matter (much) what order the words are in?

    Correct. Reply guy forgot to learn even the basics of the language with which he’s trying to be pedantic.

  33. @notsaying
    These kids are going to have a rough time balancing their ambition to be one of America's rich elite themselves with their apparent dislike of America's rich white elite. They are not aiming to be entertainers but to get to the top through their brains and an education based on the discoveries and accumulated knowledge of mostly white people. A lot of them are there because white people paid their way.

    What is it like to want to be the black version of white people that you tell yourself you shouldn't like or respect despite the fact your whole life is based on what white people think and do, which you want to do, too?

    If you ask me, all this is a recipe for mental disaster. None of this can be reconciled. The cognitive dissonance is not good for anybody's mental health.

    Americans of all kinds broadly speaking think mostly the same. We are citizens of a First World (mostly) Christian country and that is our baseline and people cannot scrub it away from their consciousness and most of their personal assumptions about themselves and the world. Their brains are permeated by Whiteness.

    Being American black doesn't get rid of the whiteness.

    All these attempts to make the whiteness disappear are doomed, at least in our time.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Prester John

    The whole concept of “identity” itself, which appears to consume the attention of the so-called “well educated” crowd (read “Our Betters”), is ultimately a fool’s game, with the players ending up in a sort of cul-de-sac or merry-go-round where they arrive back at the very spot from which they started. It’s a meaningless attempt to resolve the unresolvable and, as you have suggested, a surefire recipe for clinical insanity.

    • Agree: Forbes
  34. @Franz

    they changed the seal from “Founded A.D. 1628” to “Founded 1628.”
     
    Since most people get it wrong, they might have just changed it to stop confusing people.

    The plaque left by Apollo 11 on the moon reads man first stepped there in "1969 A.D." so even mighty NASA -- on the occasion of their greatest triumph -- was unaware that the Anno Domini goes in front of the year.

    Replies: @David, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Anno Domini (In the year of our Lord) is increasingly out of fashion but the proposed replacement, “Common Era,” just confuses people, so the moniker gets dropped.

    • Replies: @Franz
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    Anno Domini (In the year of our Lord) is increasingly out of fashion
     
    It seems to come and go.

    Object of my current study is between the wars (WWI - II) and back then even hard boiled journalists used euphemisms, for instance, "Year of Grace, 1931". Both the journos and the public were lots tougher in some ways then. I've dealt with old books for a long time and the Common Era BS really never stuck much till the 1980s, a very misunderstood decade.
  35. @Anon
    Collegiate is very NYC Askanazi. Morgenthau‘s kids and grandkids went there for example.

    BTW - Peter Stuyvesant having a productive life despite his pegleg was always hailed as a example of grit overcoming adversity.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @slumber_j

    Yeah: Collegiate has been very, very Jewish for a very long time.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @slumber_j

    So when Luca Rojas complains about racism at Collegiate, it’s the Jews he’s complaining about.

    Good to know.

    Rojas’s immigrant parents apparently managed to afford the $56,000 annual tuition at Collegiate. After graduating from Collegiate he got a lib arts degree from Pomona College. He spent a few years working on “high profile marketing campaigns.” Four years ago he decided to stop doing even that, and took up “screenwriting” and spent a year or so on a “yoga farm.”

    This is what racism looks like in America today.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Flip
    @slumber_j

    I remember that JFK Jr. went there before going to Andover.

    Replies: @Rohirrimborn

  36. @Joe Stalin

    To be precise, they changed the seal from “Founded A.D. 1628” to “Founded 1628."
     
    Well, all the MORE reason to send those BLACK! and female astronauts to the moon, in particular, to the Apollo 11 Lunar Lander site... so they can switch out that dastardly plaque placed there by White Americans July 20, 1969.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Apollo_11_plaque_closeup_on_Moon.jpg

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Justvisiting


    Good luck finding it on the moon:
     
    Luck would have it, we don't have to infer anything because we got cameras in orbit that show the Apollo 11 Lunar Lander STILL THERE as of July 20, 1969.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZniunXBx3sc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKXw_3Pblh8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV3GKy8Hr_A
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfm7ZU-JKJc

    Replies: @Justvisiting

  37. @Altai

    By the way, how come there are no one-armed athletes in television commercials, just dozens of one-legged jocks?
     
    People tend to lose legs in car accidents and war, not so much their arms. And it's a lot easier to substitute a lost leg with a prosthetic from a performance perspective than an arm.

    Since prosthetic legs tend to be hidden from view people tend to underestimate how common a lost leg in a car crash actually tends to be.

    And in terms of ads they are visually interesting and life affirming and, crucially, highly impactful despite often not being famous and expensive to hire.

    Replies: @nokangaroos

  38. I’ve been waiting for the Boston Celtics logo to come under attack. The NY N BA team was originally the Knickerbockers, but wags quickly dubbed them the Niggerbockers once NBA teams became “majority minority. It’s been decades since they had the full name on the jerseys so I presume it’s been officially droppped. You can make something “inoffensive” out of Knickerbockers by shortening it to one syllable, but even “Celts” is a reference to a particular ethnic group ergo “Verboten” in Woke Culture.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @VivaLaMigra


    I’ve been waiting for the Boston Celtics logo to come under attack.
     
    The Celtics were one of the first NBA teams with a black player. Earl Lloyd is know as the first because Washington's opening game was before Boston's and New York's.

    The Celtics were the first NBA team to start 5 black players.

    The Celtics were the first NBA team with a black coach.

    and finally:

    The Celtics play in a pretty Irish town. Lucky the Leprechaun is safe for a while.

    https://www.nbamascots.com/mascots/lucky-the-leprechaun

  39. Hofstra — Long Island’s dear old Parking Lot University — used to be The Dutchmen but that was too white or insensitive or something so they became The Pride, which sounds like some Professional Women’s Lacrosse team. Pride refers to a bunch of lions but it works just fine for the entire month of June too.

    For a commuter school Hofstra has become pretty woke, I think they were forced to move a statue of Jefferson because students were feeling pain

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Known Fact

    Western CT State U's nickname has been the Colonials, and I thought, how long is that going to last? So I checked online and sure enough, following George Floyd's suicide-by-cop the Danbury CT college dropped the name and mascot -- colonialism is such a drag on today's suffering minorities, you know -- and has appointed a committee to come up with a new moniker.

    So in the interim they're kind of like the previously nameless Washington Football Team. Can the New England Patriots be far behind? I worry about my Pirates, too -- are they a disenfranchised minority?

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Known Fact


    I think they were forced to move a statue of Jefferson because students were feeling pain.
     
    Maybe they moved the statue just to make room for few more parking spots. Got towed? I feel your pain.
  40. @Known Fact
    Hofstra -- Long Island's dear old Parking Lot University -- used to be The Dutchmen but that was too white or insensitive or something so they became The Pride, which sounds like some Professional Women's Lacrosse team. Pride refers to a bunch of lions but it works just fine for the entire month of June too.

    For a commuter school Hofstra has become pretty woke, I think they were forced to move a statue of Jefferson because students were feeling pain

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Achmed E. Newman

    Western CT State U’s nickname has been the Colonials, and I thought, how long is that going to last? So I checked online and sure enough, following George Floyd’s suicide-by-cop the Danbury CT college dropped the name and mascot — colonialism is such a drag on today’s suffering minorities, you know — and has appointed a committee to come up with a new moniker.

    So in the interim they’re kind of like the previously nameless Washington Football Team. Can the New England Patriots be far behind? I worry about my Pirates, too — are they a disenfranchised minority?

  41. @David
    @Franz

    Isn't the whole point of a highly inflected language that it doesn't matter (much) what order the words are in?

    Replies: @West reanimator, @Jack D

    Isn’t the whole point of a highly inflected language that it doesn’t matter (much) what order the words are in?

    That’s not true. AD mean Anno Domini XXXX = [In the] Year [of our] Lord XXXX. Now Anno and Domini are both inflected from their roots (annus, dominus) in order to give this meaning in Latin but you can’t just scramble the word order and retain the same meaning any more than you can say 1492 Year in English when you mean to say the Year 1492. People will get what you mean but that doesn’t make it grammatical. You can say 2022 CE meaning 2022 [of the] Common Era but AD precedes the numerical date.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Jack D

    I am no Latin scholar but I have read that in original Latin the word order didn't really mean much.

    Delenda est Carthago is sometimes seen as Carthago est Delenda. (apologies if my spelling is off.) Carthage is toast either way...

    One reason why Latin based romance languages have the subject/verb/object word order different from English.

    The current Woke expression (a painfully bad effort at virtue signalling) is "people of color" (the romance order) rather than "colored people" as previously used in standard English. See how much less "racist" one is than the other?

    So the AD placement seems rather moot. I am not sure how very early Latin speaking/writing Christians deployed those letters when in regular usage. Early Catholic/Orthodox priests.

    Grammar rules are a pretty recent development (300 years or so) in English anyway.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Jack D

  42. @aNewBanner
    Is the new logo making the black power salute?

    Also the hat looks like a potter’s wheel in motion or the opening of a big gun. My mind is struggling to recognize it as a person, even though I suspect that is the intent. Maybe it just looks so menacing. With a slight touch up, it could be the new logo of the NSA.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @SaneClownPosse

    The new logo looks like a Puritan, the privileged “white” people who could afford the large buy in to the Mayflower voyage and the incorporated colony in the New World. Shareholders in an enterprise spawned in The City of London.

    Oppressed by the King, they sailed with the King’s generous land grant to occupied territories in the New World.

    Religious settlers pushing out indigenous peoples. That never happens in the Modern Era. /sarc

    White boys feeling the need to caress the hair on black boys?

  43. @Justvisiting
    @Joe Stalin

    Good luck finding it on the moon:

    https://www.aulis.com/traj_craft.htm

    https://www.aulis.com/std_apollo11.htm

    https://www.aulis.com/miniatures2.htm

    https://www.aulis.com/handles.htm

    https://www.aulis.com/raytracing_as11.htm

    https://www.aulis.com/tranquility.htm

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    Good luck finding it on the moon:

    Luck would have it, we don’t have to infer anything because we got cameras in orbit that show the Apollo 11 Lunar Lander STILL THERE as of July 20, 1969.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Joe Stalin

    Photos cannot make the impossible possible.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  44. @PiltdownMan
    @Twinkie

    Apparently, Peter Stuyvesant was a brand of cigarette launched by a German company in the 1950s, and was positioned as a sort of jet-setting international brand, selling very well overseas. It became associated with America and all the modern glamour that the United States stood for in the eyes of the world, back in the go-go 1960s.

    I have a childhood memory, from the year I lived with my dad overseas back in the 1960s, the back covers of the international editions of the Time and Life magazines that my folks subscribed to would have an ad for Peter Stuyvesant every single week.

    https://i.imgur.com/ZjDcLDE.jpg?1

    https://i.imgur.com/KudDCbB.jpg?1

    Replies: @martin_2

    One of my enduring memories from my childhood in the 1960’s is the musical tune that played on the Peter Stuyvesent radio and TV ads. It was a really powerful commercial.

    As others have pointed out, surely the fact that this bloke became powerful and famous despite having a disability is a reason to celebrate him? Left wing people don’t want disabled people to have positive role models, they want them to feel hopeless and helpless.

  45. @slumber_j
    @Anon

    Yeah: Collegiate has been very, very Jewish for a very long time.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Flip

    So when Luca Rojas complains about racism at Collegiate, it’s the Jews he’s complaining about.

    Good to know.

    Rojas’s immigrant parents apparently managed to afford the \$56,000 annual tuition at Collegiate. After graduating from Collegiate he got a lib arts degree from Pomona College. He spent a few years working on “high profile marketing campaigns.” Four years ago he decided to stop doing even that, and took up “screenwriting” and spent a year or so on a “yoga farm.”

    This is what racism looks like in America today.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Wilkey


    Four years ago he decided to stop doing even that, and took up “screenwriting” and spent a year or so on a “yoga farm.”

    This is what racism looks like in America today.
     
    So $56K/yr prep school to "yoga farm" in about 8 years?

    That's the new "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations"? That was fast.

    He better hope that Trust Fund holds up...

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Wilkey


    ...and spent a year or so on a “yoga farm.”
     
    "Once you set foot on the Dannon Plantation, you best sit your mind to fermentin', son."

    Sorry, couldn't help it. Oh, and yeah, OK, yoga, whatever...
  46. @Prester John
    @Anon

    Years ago there was an incident involving a black kid from Harlem who went to Phillips-Exeter. Upon coming home after semester exams he murdered somebody. Don't recall the circumstances but it was the subject of a lengthy NYT Magazine article which dealt with the fact that notwithstanding the efforts to produce the equivalent of a Preppie of Color all white limousine liberals could be proud of, he was still in his heart of hearts a homey--and with all the baggage.

    "You can take the boy out of the projects, but"...etc. etc.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Ian Smith

    Was it Eddie Perry?

    Perry, age 17 and his older brother, Jonah, tried to mug a plainclothes cop. They had him on the ground and were beating and kicking him, but the cop pulled his ankle gun and plugged Eddie with 3 rounds. His loyal and faithful brother took off. This happened next to Morningside Park, the same place where Tessa Majors was stabbed to death under similar circumstances. Naturally the family said he dindu nuffin but luckily some people happened to be looking out the windows of St. Luke’s Hospital adjacent and saw it go down.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Edmund_Perry

    Eddie had a summer job on Wall St. and was going to start Stanford on scholarship in the fall, so he didn’t need the \$, but I guess he thought that he and his brother would just mug someone for old time’s sake, in order to Keep it Real.

    Today this would cause riots but in 1985 it didn’t. Eddie’s mother sued the NYPD. Today she would get millions but in 1989 she settled for \$75,000. The past is a different country.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  47. @Jack D
    @David


    Isn’t the whole point of a highly inflected language that it doesn’t matter (much) what order the words are in?
     
    That's not true. AD mean Anno Domini XXXX = [In the] Year [of our] Lord XXXX. Now Anno and Domini are both inflected from their roots (annus, dominus) in order to give this meaning in Latin but you can't just scramble the word order and retain the same meaning any more than you can say 1492 Year in English when you mean to say the Year 1492. People will get what you mean but that doesn't make it grammatical. You can say 2022 CE meaning 2022 [of the] Common Era but AD precedes the numerical date.

    Replies: @Muggles

    I am no Latin scholar but I have read that in original Latin the word order didn’t really mean much.

    Delenda est Carthago is sometimes seen as Carthago est Delenda. (apologies if my spelling is off.) Carthage is toast either way…

    One reason why Latin based romance languages have the subject/verb/object word order different from English.

    The current Woke expression (a painfully bad effort at virtue signalling) is “people of color” (the romance order) rather than “colored people” as previously used in standard English. See how much less “racist” one is than the other?

    So the AD placement seems rather moot. I am not sure how very early Latin speaking/writing Christians deployed those letters when in regular usage. Early Catholic/Orthodox priests.

    Grammar rules are a pretty recent development (300 years or so) in English anyway.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Muggles

    Technically I suppose you could say "Carthago est delenda" but a Roman would look at you funny. "Delenda est" is a sort of grammatical imperative (I forget what it's called) but it's practically one word, since the two words are inextricably linked. Far better is either Carthago delenda est or Delenda est Carthago.

    Keep in mind that the Romans valued rhetoric as much as grammar, and that in Latin, Carthago est delenda just sounds silly.

    , @Jack D
    @Muggles


    Grammar rules are a pretty recent development (300 years or so) in English anyway.
     
    Right, before 1722 people just spoke in grunts, like apes. You can tell this from Shakespeare. Here is Hamlet's famous soliloquy:

    Uh uh uh uh, uh uh uh! Etc.

    Sometimes Shakespeare used words, but he chose them randomly, in no particular order, since grammar hadn't been invented yet.

    as in,

    Sun fair arise, moon envious kill.

    TBH, it sound better in the original Mandarin, as your great grandchildren will tell you.

    Replies: @Muggles

  48. @Wilkey
    @slumber_j

    So when Luca Rojas complains about racism at Collegiate, it’s the Jews he’s complaining about.

    Good to know.

    Rojas’s immigrant parents apparently managed to afford the $56,000 annual tuition at Collegiate. After graduating from Collegiate he got a lib arts degree from Pomona College. He spent a few years working on “high profile marketing campaigns.” Four years ago he decided to stop doing even that, and took up “screenwriting” and spent a year or so on a “yoga farm.”

    This is what racism looks like in America today.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Achmed E. Newman

    Four years ago he decided to stop doing even that, and took up “screenwriting” and spent a year or so on a “yoga farm.”

    This is what racism looks like in America today.

    So \$56K/yr prep school to “yoga farm” in about 8 years?

    That’s the new “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations”? That was fast.

    He better hope that Trust Fund holds up…

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Muggles


    That’s the new “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations”?
     
    That used to matter when it was assumed there'd be a 4th generation coming along. Nowadays that is less of a surety than ever.
  49. @AndrewR
    @Anon

    Why would you call a timeout when you're 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad, @tony k, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Why would you call a timeout when you’re 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.

    History.

  50. WNY’s St Bonnaventure U is now home to the Wolves, formerly the Brown Indians. Bona abuts the Senecas’ Allegany Reservation but I can’t remember when they changed over. I think they were the “Brown” Indians because the Franciscan faculty wore brown robes.They used to have a mascot in full war paint, chaps, loin cloth and war bonnet. One handed athlete, MLB pitcher Jim Abbott. He threw a no-hiter and is listed as bats left, throws left and fields left.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Buffalo Joe

    I think they were the “Brown” Indians because the Franciscan faculty wore brown robes.

    I remember Bob Lanier also played for St.Bonnies in the late 60's. I think the made the Final Four his senior year. He was a local Buffalo kid.

  51. @VivaLaMigra
    I've been waiting for the Boston Celtics logo to come under attack. The NY N BA team was originally the Knickerbockers, but wags quickly dubbed them the Niggerbockers once NBA teams became "majority minority. It's been decades since they had the full name on the jerseys so I presume it's been officially droppped. You can make something "inoffensive" out of Knickerbockers by shortening it to one syllable, but even "Celts" is a reference to a particular ethnic group ergo "Verboten" in Woke Culture.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    I’ve been waiting for the Boston Celtics logo to come under attack.

    The Celtics were one of the first NBA teams with a black player. Earl Lloyd is know as the first because Washington’s opening game was before Boston’s and New York’s.

    The Celtics were the first NBA team to start 5 black players.

    The Celtics were the first NBA team with a black coach.

    and finally:

    The Celtics play in a pretty Irish town. Lucky the Leprechaun is safe for a while.

    https://www.nbamascots.com/mascots/lucky-the-leprechaun

  52. @Known Fact
    Hofstra -- Long Island's dear old Parking Lot University -- used to be The Dutchmen but that was too white or insensitive or something so they became The Pride, which sounds like some Professional Women's Lacrosse team. Pride refers to a bunch of lions but it works just fine for the entire month of June too.

    For a commuter school Hofstra has become pretty woke, I think they were forced to move a statue of Jefferson because students were feeling pain

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Achmed E. Newman

    I think they were forced to move a statue of Jefferson because students were feeling pain.

    Maybe they moved the statue just to make room for few more parking spots. Got towed? I feel your pain.

  53. @Wilkey
    @slumber_j

    So when Luca Rojas complains about racism at Collegiate, it’s the Jews he’s complaining about.

    Good to know.

    Rojas’s immigrant parents apparently managed to afford the $56,000 annual tuition at Collegiate. After graduating from Collegiate he got a lib arts degree from Pomona College. He spent a few years working on “high profile marketing campaigns.” Four years ago he decided to stop doing even that, and took up “screenwriting” and spent a year or so on a “yoga farm.”

    This is what racism looks like in America today.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Achmed E. Newman

    …and spent a year or so on a “yoga farm.”

    “Once you set foot on the Dannon Plantation, you best sit your mind to fermentin’, son.”

    Sorry, couldn’t help it. Oh, and yeah, OK, yoga, whatever…

  54. @Hangnail Hans
    @notsaying


    Americans of all kinds broadly speaking think mostly the same. We are citizens of a First World (mostly) Christian country and that is our baseline
     
    Thank you so much for this! I've been fervently hoping that the past 60 years were just a dream and now you've proven it. Sort of.

    Replies: @notsaying

    I did not mean that we don’t have all kinds of opinions on different things but that by growing up in a mostly Christian, First World country, we share a certain fundamental way of looking at the world.

  55. Seems like a more relevant commentary would be how, in a city that large, there’s only two qualified blacks? It’s a private school. The ingrate that wrote this up is already gone. Did they not mention the high school they graduated from on their college applications? I would assume they enjoyed all the privileges of attending in their time and yet now aim to make its reputation diminished. If they actually studied during their time there they should know that increasing black or mexican students would destroy the school for good.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Flel

    Two in the graduating class. From the size of their student body, I'm going to guess that their graduating classes number about 60, so 3.3%. The black population in the 19 counties around Manhattan amounts to about 16% of the total. If you rank-order applicants according to their observed performance at other schools and on screening instruments and distribute discounts according to known household income and one's position in the rank ordering, you might get a proportion along those lines.

  56. @AndrewR
    @Anon

    Why would you call a timeout when you're 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad, @tony k, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Why would you call a timeout when you’re 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.

    Seriously Andrew? You’re going to go with the “what-a-bout” to justify this crap?

    And actually–i read it yesterday–the Wisconsin coach had a very solid explanation. After a timeout the clock for crossing half-court gets reset to 10s. So he was giving his guys more time to break the Michigan press. In other words, he was being a logical white guy coach.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @AnotherDad

    AD, and it is never wrong to coach in a situation that you may see again.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @AnotherDad

    "In other words, he was being a logical white guy coach."

    Which is of course the real reason he got punched by the black guy.

  57. @Muggles
    @Jack D

    I am no Latin scholar but I have read that in original Latin the word order didn't really mean much.

    Delenda est Carthago is sometimes seen as Carthago est Delenda. (apologies if my spelling is off.) Carthage is toast either way...

    One reason why Latin based romance languages have the subject/verb/object word order different from English.

    The current Woke expression (a painfully bad effort at virtue signalling) is "people of color" (the romance order) rather than "colored people" as previously used in standard English. See how much less "racist" one is than the other?

    So the AD placement seems rather moot. I am not sure how very early Latin speaking/writing Christians deployed those letters when in regular usage. Early Catholic/Orthodox priests.

    Grammar rules are a pretty recent development (300 years or so) in English anyway.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Jack D

    Technically I suppose you could say “Carthago est delenda” but a Roman would look at you funny. “Delenda est” is a sort of grammatical imperative (I forget what it’s called) but it’s practically one word, since the two words are inextricably linked. Far better is either Carthago delenda est or Delenda est Carthago.

    Keep in mind that the Romans valued rhetoric as much as grammar, and that in Latin, Carthago est delenda just sounds silly.

    • Thanks: Muggles
  58. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Yo, Jimbo, that makes sense. In my day, which I guess includes most days until I realized we were approaching Peak Stupidity, say '16 or so, any guy even attempting to touch another guy's hair would have been immediately told "get away from me, you faggot!".

    There was one exception I know of involving a cigarette lighter and the guy's hair being on fire for about half a second. Seriously, I knocked it out with my palm, and still can't believe I did something that stupid.

    Perhaps, along with the no smoking film strips, the VD (or whatever they're calling it now) warning presentations, and the duck-and-cover drills, the students should have videos of the Michael Jackson and Richard Pryor prior hair-on-fire incidents streamed to their iPads with strong warnings saying that, "no matter WHO set your hair on fire, don't call him a faggot! That is NOT OK, mmmkaaay?"

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “any guy even attempting to touch another guy’s hair would have been immediately told “get away from me, you faggot!”.”

    Apparently this went over everyone’s head at Collegiate, except for those male students (or male professors) who have a great desire to touch other male student’s hair. Let’s not so quickly dismiss the possibility that hair-touching at an all-male school could be a sign of attempted mating, foreplay, etc and that perhaps sexual hair-touching is a unique thing among the G’s, a subset if you will, among the LGBTQ community at large. After all, G’s are quite overrepresented in the fashion world, including the hair styling world. Perhaps the lengthy dreadlocks laced with hair color dyes are too much for other male students/male professors to resist, and they just can’t help themselves.

    Especially if the male students’ hair resembles their adult counterparts:


    Of course, it is a bit gay of a man to frail around like a woman by exclaiming “Don’t touch my hair, bro!” But then, its also a bit gay for a man to go all in by taking dreds to the next level.

  59. @Muggles
    @Wilkey


    Four years ago he decided to stop doing even that, and took up “screenwriting” and spent a year or so on a “yoga farm.”

    This is what racism looks like in America today.
     
    So $56K/yr prep school to "yoga farm" in about 8 years?

    That's the new "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations"? That was fast.

    He better hope that Trust Fund holds up...

    Replies: @Wilkey

    That’s the new “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations”?

    That used to matter when it was assumed there’d be a 4th generation coming along. Nowadays that is less of a surety than ever.

  60. @Muggles
    @Jack D

    I am no Latin scholar but I have read that in original Latin the word order didn't really mean much.

    Delenda est Carthago is sometimes seen as Carthago est Delenda. (apologies if my spelling is off.) Carthage is toast either way...

    One reason why Latin based romance languages have the subject/verb/object word order different from English.

    The current Woke expression (a painfully bad effort at virtue signalling) is "people of color" (the romance order) rather than "colored people" as previously used in standard English. See how much less "racist" one is than the other?

    So the AD placement seems rather moot. I am not sure how very early Latin speaking/writing Christians deployed those letters when in regular usage. Early Catholic/Orthodox priests.

    Grammar rules are a pretty recent development (300 years or so) in English anyway.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Jack D

    Grammar rules are a pretty recent development (300 years or so) in English anyway.

    Right, before 1722 people just spoke in grunts, like apes. You can tell this from Shakespeare. Here is Hamlet’s famous soliloquy:

    Uh uh uh uh, uh uh uh! Etc.

    Sometimes Shakespeare used words, but he chose them randomly, in no particular order, since grammar hadn’t been invented yet.

    as in,

    Sun fair arise, moon envious kill.

    TBH, it sound better in the original Mandarin, as your great grandchildren will tell you.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Jack D

    Since you know perfectly well what my point was, I fail to understand this.

    Attempt at humor?

    Better cut back on something there...

  61. @AnotherDad
    @AndrewR


    Why would you call a timeout when you’re 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.
     
    Seriously Andrew? You're going to go with the "what-a-bout" to justify this crap?

    And actually--i read it yesterday--the Wisconsin coach had a very solid explanation. After a timeout the clock for crossing half-court gets reset to 10s. So he was giving his guys more time to break the Michigan press. In other words, he was being a logical white guy coach.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    AD, and it is never wrong to coach in a situation that you may see again.

  62. @AndrewR
    @Anon

    Why would you call a timeout when you're 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad, @tony k, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Howard was full court pressing Wisconsin’s deep subs and they were unraveling. That was the bush move.

  63. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Franz

    Anno Domini (In the year of our Lord) is increasingly out of fashion but the proposed replacement, "Common Era," just confuses people, so the moniker gets dropped.

    Replies: @Franz

    Anno Domini (In the year of our Lord) is increasingly out of fashion

    It seems to come and go.

    Object of my current study is between the wars (WWI – II) and back then even hard boiled journalists used euphemisms, for instance, “Year of Grace, 1931”. Both the journos and the public were lots tougher in some ways then. I’ve dealt with old books for a long time and the Common Era BS really never stuck much till the 1980s, a very misunderstood decade.

  64. There’s an opportunity being wasted at one of America’s most leftist, and yet stodgy white universities.

    Michigan coach Juwan Howard smacked an opposing assistant coach during the post game good sportsmanship handshake line.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=v8du0OsRINU

    Majority white opinion is that Howard should be suspended and should apologize.

    Rather than giving in, Coach Howard should double down on his black privilege. He should say that in his culture, you don’t take s**t from white peoples, and it’s his absolute right as a Black Man to administer anything from a bitchslap to a beatdown, and he expects the University of Michigan to back him up.

  65. @AnotherDad
    @AndrewR


    Why would you call a timeout when you’re 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.
     
    Seriously Andrew? You're going to go with the "what-a-bout" to justify this crap?

    And actually--i read it yesterday--the Wisconsin coach had a very solid explanation. After a timeout the clock for crossing half-court gets reset to 10s. So he was giving his guys more time to break the Michigan press. In other words, he was being a logical white guy coach.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “In other words, he was being a logical white guy coach.”

    Which is of course the real reason he got punched by the black guy.

  66. @slumber_j
    @Anon

    Yeah: Collegiate has been very, very Jewish for a very long time.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Flip

    I remember that JFK Jr. went there before going to Andover.

    • Replies: @Rohirrimborn
    @Flip

    Yeah and the reason he was at Collegiate is that my brother chased him out of his previous school - Saint David's. JFK Jr was shooting spitballs during chapel and hit my hot-headed brother. My brother hid behind the chapel door upon exiting and decked JFK Jr. when he was leaving outsmarting his secret service detail. Jackie pulled JFK Jr. from Saint David's to escape my brother.

  67. Ableist

    This word always makes me hungry for æbleskiver.

  68. Sorry, I was doing something else: this guy was cancelled, not for attempting to institutionalize formal anti-Semitism in the New World, but for having one leg? What?

  69. These school stories are all the same. “This school, which I choose to attend at great expense to my parents, has a deeply problematic history around colonialism, slavery and violence against women. But at least I don’t have to go to a public school.”

  70. @Jack D
    @Muggles


    Grammar rules are a pretty recent development (300 years or so) in English anyway.
     
    Right, before 1722 people just spoke in grunts, like apes. You can tell this from Shakespeare. Here is Hamlet's famous soliloquy:

    Uh uh uh uh, uh uh uh! Etc.

    Sometimes Shakespeare used words, but he chose them randomly, in no particular order, since grammar hadn't been invented yet.

    as in,

    Sun fair arise, moon envious kill.

    TBH, it sound better in the original Mandarin, as your great grandchildren will tell you.

    Replies: @Muggles

    Since you know perfectly well what my point was, I fail to understand this.

    Attempt at humor?

    Better cut back on something there…

  71. @AndrewR
    @Anon

    Why would you call a timeout when you're 15 points ahead with 15 seconds left in the game? Howard was too nice.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad, @tony k, @The Last Real Calvinist

    I read the ESPN article on this. You can smell their desire to protect Howard, but they admit that he had ordered his Michigan team to continue pressing Wisconsin’s lineup of walk-on scrubs who were just getting their name in the box score. The Wisconsin coach called time out so that his team would have the full 10 seconds to get the ball across half court, rather than the only 4 seconds that would have been available without a time out.

    So the Wisconsin coach was both giving his players a better chance of not embarassing themselves, and also retaliating against Howard’s insistence on pressing even though he himself admitted that the game’s outcome was already decided.

    Howard is a hypocrite and a bully.

  72. So I called out to the girl with the wooden leg, “Peg!”

    I’ll show myself out.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @I, Libertine


    So I called out to the girl with the wooden leg, “Peg!”

    I’ll show myself out.
     
    It will come back to you.
    , @Rohirrimborn
    @I, Libertine

    I thought her name was "Eileen".

  73. @Joe Stalin
    @Justvisiting


    Good luck finding it on the moon:
     
    Luck would have it, we don't have to infer anything because we got cameras in orbit that show the Apollo 11 Lunar Lander STILL THERE as of July 20, 1969.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZniunXBx3sc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKXw_3Pblh8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV3GKy8Hr_A
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfm7ZU-JKJc

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    Photos cannot make the impossible possible.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Justvisiting

    "Photos cannot make the impossible possible."

    I wouldn't say that to a guy calling himself "Joe Stalin."

  74. @I, Libertine
    So I called out to the girl with the wooden leg, "Peg!"

    I'll show myself out.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Rohirrimborn

    So I called out to the girl with the wooden leg, “Peg!”

    I’ll show myself out.

    It will come back to you.

    • LOL: I, Libertine
  75. @dearieme
    The problem with posts like this, Mr iSteve, is that they offer a tremendous temptation to codgers like me to comment using self-indulgent reminiscences about my own life. This is a dangerous game since it might lead to my being elected President of the United States.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    This is a dangerous game since it might lead to my being elected President of the United States.

    Not to worry. The very fact that you commented on Steve’s posts disqualifies you from the presidency. In fact you can expect a cordial visit from Joseph Mifsud just to reminisce about the good old days on the intertubes . After that, you’ll be lucky to stay out of Prison.

  76. @Buffalo Joe
    WNY's St Bonnaventure U is now home to the Wolves, formerly the Brown Indians. Bona abuts the Senecas' Allegany Reservation but I can't remember when they changed over. I think they were the "Brown" Indians because the Franciscan faculty wore brown robes.They used to have a mascot in full war paint, chaps, loin cloth and war bonnet. One handed athlete, MLB pitcher Jim Abbott. He threw a no-hiter and is listed as bats left, throws left and fields left.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    I think they were the “Brown” Indians because the Franciscan faculty wore brown robes.

    I remember Bob Lanier also played for St.Bonnies in the late 60’s. I think the made the Final Four his senior year. He was a local Buffalo kid.

  77. @Justvisiting
    @Joe Stalin

    Photos cannot make the impossible possible.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Photos cannot make the impossible possible.”

    I wouldn’t say that to a guy calling himself “Joe Stalin.”

    • LOL: J.Ross
  78. @Flip
    @slumber_j

    I remember that JFK Jr. went there before going to Andover.

    Replies: @Rohirrimborn

    Yeah and the reason he was at Collegiate is that my brother chased him out of his previous school – Saint David’s. JFK Jr was shooting spitballs during chapel and hit my hot-headed brother. My brother hid behind the chapel door upon exiting and decked JFK Jr. when he was leaving outsmarting his secret service detail. Jackie pulled JFK Jr. from Saint David’s to escape my brother.

  79. @I, Libertine
    So I called out to the girl with the wooden leg, "Peg!"

    I'll show myself out.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Rohirrimborn

    I thought her name was “Eileen”.

    • LOL: I, Libertine
  80. @Flel
    Seems like a more relevant commentary would be how, in a city that large, there’s only two qualified blacks? It’s a private school. The ingrate that wrote this up is already gone. Did they not mention the high school they graduated from on their college applications? I would assume they enjoyed all the privileges of attending in their time and yet now aim to make its reputation diminished. If they actually studied during their time there they should know that increasing black or mexican students would destroy the school for good.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Two in the graduating class. From the size of their student body, I’m going to guess that their graduating classes number about 60, so 3.3%. The black population in the 19 counties around Manhattan amounts to about 16% of the total. If you rank-order applicants according to their observed performance at other schools and on screening instruments and distribute discounts according to known household income and one’s position in the rank ordering, you might get a proportion along those lines.

  81. @Prester John
    @Anon

    Years ago there was an incident involving a black kid from Harlem who went to Phillips-Exeter. Upon coming home after semester exams he murdered somebody. Don't recall the circumstances but it was the subject of a lengthy NYT Magazine article which dealt with the fact that notwithstanding the efforts to produce the equivalent of a Preppie of Color all white limousine liberals could be proud of, he was still in his heart of hearts a homey--and with all the baggage.

    "You can take the boy out of the projects, but"...etc. etc.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Ian Smith

    They had a Law & Order episode about that were the poor black kid was pressured into selling drugs by his Haven Monaghan-like classmates.

    • LOL: West reanimator
  82. “Don’t let some kid trying to add a paragraph to his college essay destroy 200 plus years of tradition.”

    It wasn’t laughed out of the room before it became a [conversation]. The tradition is already dead. This isn’t preparing you for university, it’s preparing you for controversity.

    Progressives are weak and only attack the weak. They’re terrified of what would happen if they went after someone who fought back. Rittens showed they’re not wrong. The idea is to win a whole lot of easy battles and hope this confuses you into thinking they have a good k/d ratio.

    In the original Prussian school system, there were two layers of education. The upper class would actually be taught information instead of how to be a slave. A handful of these still exist in America – e.g. it looks like the google founders went to one.
    Most private schools are still the lower-class mind-destroying kind. A very expensive madrassah designed to make narcissistic, fanatical Fascists. Sure you get into a “good” college but it costs you your soul. ROI not exactly great.

    If the administration is weak it’s clear they’re going to teach the students to be weak.

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