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From the New York Post:

Man who was supposed to testify against MS-13 gang members found dead
By Israel Salas-Rodriguez and Kenneth Garger February 5, 2020

Long Island authorities on Wednesday implied that a man set to testify against MS-13 gang members was killed as a result of criminal-justice reforms requiring prosecutors share witnesses’ identities with defendants.

Nassau County officials, including the police commissioner and county executive, announced the death of 36-year-old Wilmer Maldonado on Wednesday — while also decrying the discovery laws that took effect Jan. 1. ,,,

Maldonado was discovered bludgeoned to death behind an abandoned home in New Cassel on Sunday, according to Nassau County police.

He was allegedly attacked by nine MS-13 members in October 2018 after intervening when the group threatened two boys.

The suspects allegedly beat all three victims, stabbing Maldonado several times and knocking him in the head with a bat, officials said.

Prosecutors last December revealed Maldonado’s identity to an arrested suspect’s defense team as a result of the recently enacted laws compelling the state to turn over the names of witnesses in criminal cases.

Witness-murdering is a major cause of low closure rates for homicides in areas with gangs. LA Times homicide reporter Jill Leovy estimated about a dozen witnesses per year were murdered in South-Central L.A. in the first decade of this century, more than enough to discourage the other witnesses from cooperating too much with the cops.

I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.

Of course, the main problem with the death penalty is that if you get it wrong, you can’t let the guy you punished out. And murder is by definition the hardest crime to get right because the best witness, the victim, is dead. And witness-murder, by intention, compounds the difficulty of getting strong witnesses on the stand.

 
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  1. How are the elites going to impose or enforce anything once we’re Guatemala? Why don’t they see this guaranteeing violence?

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    So long as the violence is not against them....
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    don’t they see this guaranteeing violence?

     

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/717/932/551.png
    , @Hypnotoad666
    IDK, I may have to be contrarian on this one. Isn't learning the identity of prosecution witnesses part of the constitutional right to confront one's accuser and mount a defense?

    After all, a witness could have ulterior motives or be proven to be unreliable or mistaken. You eventually have to allow cross examination at trial so they can't stay secret forever anyway.

    I frankly thought most state prosecutors were already required to turn over the facts and witness identities as part of pretrial discovery. So this doesn't really seem like a totally new thing.

    So how do you protect a key witness when they will have to testify against a super-dangerous gang member or mob boss? Man, I don't know. Short of putting everyone in witness protection it's a b*tch of a problem.

    But I don't think you can have a system that convicts people with secret testimony either.

    , @Neoconned
    They're in their gated communities....the neck do they care what the masses do?

    Anyway, Steve I'm not necessarily against capital punishment based on the offense BUT I don't think it's as much a deterrant as some say...."bangers gonna bang and thugs gonna thug..." Or "can take the thug from the hood but not the hood from the thug...."

    These ppl simply put are gonna do what they're gonna do regardless of what white lawmakers and criminal justice people think.

    Some may call this bigoted but I dont think theres as large an element of choice in the scenario as some in the criminal justice system would claim....

    , @Jake
    They do see it promotes violence - but they do not care that that means violence by non0whites against non-whites, and they like the non-white violence against non-Elite whites because that keeps the non-Elite whites down.

    It is a win-win for the Elites of the Anglo-Zionist Empire.
  2. recently enacted laws compelling the state to turn over the names of witnesses in criminal cases.

    I think the death penalty should be applied to the geniuses who came up with that idea and the idiots who voted for this.

    If this isn’t an official way to let the mob rule, I don’t know what is.

    • Agree: Cortes, Redneck farmer
  3. Just murdering the witnesses Americans can’t be bothered to murder.

  4. They could simply have but his lips into inaction and told him to put some ice on that.

    Wilmer Maldonado

    You’ve got to be pretty low-class to think Wilmer is a high-class name. Even in Central America.

    It peaked in the US in 1915, and left the top 1000 in 1967, 16 years before this Wilmer was born.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    1941 Wilmer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p0ZYlDFfXI
    , @Kylie
    "Well, Wilmer, I'm sorry indeed to lose you, but I want you to know I couldn't be fonder of you if you were my own son. But, well, if you lose a son, it's possible to get another. There's only one Maltese Falcon."
    , @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    Not to be all, “ooooh, I’m so cuuuuultured” but there is an angle non-Spanish speaking iSteve-ers don’t follow here. If I said “Angus McNeil” you’d have no difficulty identifying this persons ethnicity. Sure, sometime soon you’d be surprised by an adopted Asian kid or what have you but you’d broadly know.
    1920s to 1950s era “Classic Names” (and, oddly, famous ancient Greeks) are the near-exclusive domain of Dominicans. Also worth noting is that Dominicans have a rival gang (Trinitarios) which would provide a “why” for the State’s Evidence angle (lawfare > warfare when you can get a DA to patrol your turf)
    **
    Parenthetically Maldonado means something akin to “tough breaks” or “bad luck”
    , @Dmon
    Damn, you guys are disappointing.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_%2770s_Show
    , @Senor Moose
    There’s a line of jokes in Mexico mocking “the Bryans” and other people with characteristically “Anglo” names. Basically, a lot of lower class people in Mexico decided to give their kids Anglo names, because they are associated with the U.S. and hence were seen as more upper class. This, of course, backfired, and now those names are associated with people who will try to snatch your cellphone out of your hands on the street. Upper class Mexicans tend to favor very old-fashion Spanish names like “Agustin.”
  5. Witness murdering – perhaps slow, public hanging.

  6. Between this and the get-out-of-jail-free no-bail provision for all but (some) violent felons, 2020 now marks the end of the ebb tide in criminality for New York State.

    This makes me unhappy, because I live in Manhattan with my wife and children. It’s already not ending well.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Time to get out then.

    You must have made enough to retire outside of NYC just on the appreciation of your apartment.

    I don’t really see a return to 1970s-90s violence and property values. But a partial return and a Mayor AOC/President Bernie would not be good for NYC’s economy or property owners.

    And what Dem in NYC is more popular?
    , @Forbes
    Yeah, Cuomo is doing a great job rolling back all the progress made reducing criminality and violence on NYC/NYS. The politics are totally dysfunctional as a one-party city/state--save a few Rep congressional districts upstate. I've started thinking about where to move.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    You would be a welcome addition to Fairfield County. Seriously consider it. I've asked you before why you stay in the city. I seldom need to go anymore, and I rarely do, but you could still go in from here for any of the cultural and entertainment features you have said you care about there.

    It used to impress me, but after years of travel, New York City just seems to me like a dirty, overrated mess full of self-satisfied people smelling their own farts. I like it now about as much as I like Chuck Schumer, and it seems certain to get worse. Then again, Connecticut might not be far behind. The difference is, we have room and a hundred modest-sized towns separated by trees.

    , @Kibernetika
    If circumstances allow, get out. Honestly, it's tough to leave what we all once considered to be the Center of the World, but the family will adapt.

    When I was a kid, I thought a 1/2-acre lot was a wildlife sanctuary. In reality it was a place where the bordering gas station dumped oil changes, and who knows what else. We used to climb the fence and wonder at the black soil. Where no wild plants grew. Now of course it's been developed ;) Kids there are now living above the soil soaked with brake and transmission fluid dumped from my uncle's '71 Cadillac.

    Move away, and visit the City occasionally to keep the family satisfied.
    , @Desiderius
    Come back to the Queen City. Love to have you.

    The Midwest has been sending all our hipster dorks to Brooklyn as part of a nefarious plan to smoke out NY's best in hopes that some will choose to migrate here and replenish our City Slicker supply.
    , @Ragno
    For once, the politicians are ahead of the curve. Because "reforming" the laws to accommodate minority gangsters fond of murder is an excellent way to acknowledge The Great Replacement - and tweak government accordingly - while maintaining their precious deniability that such a thing is even happening (outside of the diseased minds of white supremacists, of course).

    In short, they're so cotton-mouthed with terror at the prospect of being primary'd by the next AOC, they can't face the ironclad certainty that they'll be shitcanned regardless by the new Constituency of Orcs that they went out of their way to bring into being.....just as soon as they finish selling out their own.
  7. Prosecutors last December revealed Maldonado’s identity to an arrested suspect’s defense team as a result of the recently enacted laws compelling the state to turn over the names of witnesses in criminal cases.

    This significantly understates what is actually going on. Cuomo has brazenly thrown whites under the bus and engaged in a level of pandering to nonwhite criminals that is actually dangerous.

    The “reforms” are a wholesale castration of the criminal justice system because so many nonwhites commit crimes. What Cuomo has done beggars belief: prosecutors will only have have 15 days to make a case, defendants — who will no longer be called “defendants” — will have the right to visit the scene of the crime and videotape it, and will have the right to the personal contact information of all witnesses or complainants. 90% of all arrestees will be released without bail, including for burglary, robbery and manslaughter.

    Good synopsis here:

    https://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2019-10-09/32023/Our-tolerance-for-criminals-will-soon-be-tested

  8. One of the best things Trump and especially Miller and Jeff Sessions did was reverse Late Obama Age Collapse policies that extended asylum to those “fleeing gang violence” and “domestic violence.”

    I think we need a travel ban on the Central American nations allowing “caravans.”

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Trump is also messing up the security theater tell where rich people get to skip the Chertoff Airport Circus.
    https://postimg.cc/0rwT2nZ1
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I think we need a travel ban on the Central American nations allowing “caravans.”
     
    That's a disturbing way to put it-- you want those countries to erect Berlin Walls? Or are you referring to the countries that allow the caravans to pass through?

    That would be mostly Mexico. Now there's a way to suppress the reconquista.
  9. @slumber_j
    Between this and the get-out-of-jail-free no-bail provision for all but (some) violent felons, 2020 now marks the end of the ebb tide in criminality for New York State.

    This makes me unhappy, because I live in Manhattan with my wife and children. It's already not ending well.

    Time to get out then.

    You must have made enough to retire outside of NYC just on the appreciation of your apartment.

    I don’t really see a return to 1970s-90s violence and property values. But a partial return and a Mayor AOC/President Bernie would not be good for NYC’s economy or property owners.

    And what Dem in NYC is more popular?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    The creeps are much more feral now than they were forty years ago. I’d say it could get very much worse, very quickly indeed.
    , @slumber_j
    Yeah, but the kids have like three years to go to finish school where they are, and I don't relish the thought of ruining that. Plus my wife and I really, really hate having to drive everywhere. But I've certainly considered bailing out...
    , @Thea
    Why should his family have to leave where they’ve put down roots?

    I don’t think moving will solve the problem. Notice how fleeing Californians turned Colorado, Washington and Oregon in clones of California.
  10. I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.

    Are you sure you’re not of British (and by that I explicitly mean English or lowland Scots) or Dutch background? (Speaking as none of them.) This is the sort of easily-implemented pragmatic good idea that they were always great at.

  11. @Lot
    One of the best things Trump and especially Miller and Jeff Sessions did was reverse Late Obama Age Collapse policies that extended asylum to those “fleeing gang violence” and “domestic violence.”

    I think we need a travel ban on the Central American nations allowing “caravans.”

    Trump is also messing up the security theater tell where rich people get to skip the Chertoff Airport Circus.
    https://postimg.cc/0rwT2nZ1

  12. Wilmer Maldonado

    They killed Fez from That 70s Show?

  13. This is all very logical, but irrelevant. Right now, the struggle is to maintain life sentences or even very long ones. Long term, overreach by the anti death penalty campaigns and an increasing Asian power base might lead to a ferocious backlash. But right now, this is pointless.

  14. In the same sense that running from the police should should mean an automatic doubling or tripling of the penalty for whatever you did.

    Criminals are dumb, but perfectly capable to making a non conscious cost/benefit analysis and most of the time, running is a no-brainer.

    The justice system is a system, and that means the first priority should be to make sure that it can function at all (putting people in a position where they can be judged). Only then can you start worrying about the quality of the individual judgments.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    In the same sense that running from the police should should mean an automatic doubling or tripling of the penalty for whatever you did.
     
    Nearly all sentences are plea bargained anyway.
  15. On a different topic, South Africa Airways like rest of South Africa continues to descend into what it is, a country run by Africans.
    https://onemileatatime.com/south-african-airways-cuts-route-network/

  16. @slumber_j
    Between this and the get-out-of-jail-free no-bail provision for all but (some) violent felons, 2020 now marks the end of the ebb tide in criminality for New York State.

    This makes me unhappy, because I live in Manhattan with my wife and children. It's already not ending well.

    Yeah, Cuomo is doing a great job rolling back all the progress made reducing criminality and violence on NYC/NYS. The politics are totally dysfunctional as a one-party city/state–save a few Rep congressional districts upstate. I’ve started thinking about where to move.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Here's one more implication of Dem Gov & Legislature recklessness ...

    “New York residents will be cut off from ‘trusted traveler’ programs that enable people to quickly return from outside the country because of a new state law that prevents immigration officials from accessing motor vehicle records, a senior Homeland Security official said Thursday. Tens of thousands of New Yorkers whose applications for the programs are pending or will have to renew their enrollment by the end of the year will have to undergo customs and passport checks as they enter the country as a result of the action, said Ken Cuccinelli, acting deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.”
    https://abc7ny.com/politics/new-yorkers-no-longer-allowed-to-enroll-in-global-entry-dhs/5907698/

    My nephew works for the Border Patrol--they basically don't do anything as they're cut off from the state computer systems--DMV and criminal records--combined with the new no-bail law, there's no point to making criminal detentions.

    The Democrats have given a free pass to criminals in New York to protect illegal aliens.
  17. @Forbes
    Yeah, Cuomo is doing a great job rolling back all the progress made reducing criminality and violence on NYC/NYS. The politics are totally dysfunctional as a one-party city/state--save a few Rep congressional districts upstate. I've started thinking about where to move.

    Here’s one more implication of Dem Gov & Legislature recklessness …

    “New York residents will be cut off from ‘trusted traveler’ programs that enable people to quickly return from outside the country because of a new state law that prevents immigration officials from accessing motor vehicle records, a senior Homeland Security official said Thursday. Tens of thousands of New Yorkers whose applications for the programs are pending or will have to renew their enrollment by the end of the year will have to undergo customs and passport checks as they enter the country as a result of the action, said Ken Cuccinelli, acting deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.”
    https://abc7ny.com/politics/new-yorkers-no-longer-allowed-to-enroll-in-global-entry-dhs/5907698/

    My nephew works for the Border Patrol–they basically don’t do anything as they’re cut off from the state computer systems–DMV and criminal records–combined with the new no-bail law, there’s no point to making criminal detentions.

    The Democrats have given a free pass to criminals in New York to protect illegal aliens.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Ken Cuccinelli was a rising conservative in Virginia until he lost a gubernatorial race to Clinton grifter McAuliffe, who promptly restored the voting rights of every felon in the state. KC has been one of DJT's more effective appointees, and this is making the Blues pay for their wokeness. More, please. And faster.
  18. • Replies: @BB753
    Well, quarantines aren't pretty to watch but effective. There's no way a virus epidemic can possibly be contained in the Western world with pragmatic means. Which means we're done when a severe epidemic strikes in the West. Nobody here has the balls nor the means to enforce a quarantine.
  19. Gayle King brought up the issue of Kobe being accused of rape back in 2003.

    Snoop Dogg wasn’t happy about that.

    For some reason, Bill Cosby’s name came up. Don’t ask me how. So did Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson.

    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.

    Listen to the last few seconds of the video below. From 0:41-0:44.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @danand
    Wow, Mr. Walker, even I find it hard to believe Snoop would make an outright death threat like that to Gail! I guess it would be too much to hope this would “wake” Gail and/or Oprah, at least a touch, to the hustle they enable and encourage on a near daily basis.
    , @OscarWildeLoveChild
    "Complicated" is the new euphemism for saying, "there's a lot there we cannot really speak about". Used typically like, He has a "complicated" history (he bludgeoned his foster parents to death then was sent in and out of JD). Their relationship was "complicated"...he beat her often, but she went back to him and had three children with him before he finally murdered her.

    The white woman's equivalent is "messy". Comes up a lot, especially with conflicted sometimes-conservative and/or Christian women...."my relationship with my ex-husband and first his wife was messy" (translation: He found out I was in a lesbian relationship with her). "Messy" divorce (took years to get the right alimony/CS ordered by the court and the divorce over). If it is "complicated" and "messy" there is a private admission one wants to obscure. For example, "our divorce was messy, my husband dragged me through the courts for years, not wanting to pay $12,000 a month in alimony...it was also complicated (my new boyfriend burned my husband's business to the ground and killed his dog).

    I'm working on my coding and dog whistle handbook.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Imagine an expatriated Snoop Dog attempting to survive in Liberia. I'd subscribe to Netflix in order to watch that documentary.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.
     
    Well, that gives new meaning to the term "stool pigeon".

    Not that pigeons tweet, they coo-- which Bill replaced with better living through chemistry.

    But they are responsible for a lot of stool:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY
    , @Lugash
    Anyone remember when Snoop was charged with first degree murder? Or Mike Tyson being convicted of rape? Both got dropped into the Memory Hole.
    , @Dennis Dale
    2020 is already outperforming.

    Watch Snoop won't even get booted off whatever platform that is, when he issued an open threat of violence there at the end.
    , @Laurence Whelk
    Why does Bill Cosby have a Twitter account? Or access to a device to tweet from? What the hell?

    Apparently raping drugged women does not violate Twitter’s terms of service.
    , @Muggles
    Re: the Gayle King Kobe rape flap.

    This might be a redundant reply as many others are doing so.

    First, black athlete privilege trumps white female rape victim privilege. It says so in the rule book.

    Naturally misogynist rappers, a few of whom are acknowledged rapists, will never "believe the women" though they seem to be seen as cheerleaders for the SJW Woke mob. Go figure.

    The second tier rapper 50 Cent tried to make the case that "since Kobe is dead and can't defend himself" everyone should lay off this unpleasant rape business. I wonder if Robert E. Lee or Adolph Hitler is included in his "too dead to criticize" argument.

    The Fake News article about the flap used the weasel words "alleged" rapist and "didn't press charges" excuses. Somehow coverage of the Kavanaugh accusers or Weinstein trial didn't have the same faint glow of censorship and fact fuzzing as Kobe's little problem story does.

    While I don't like these powerful rich celebrities going scot-free via private payoffs and avoiding the nasty publicity and hard jail time everyone else gets, I have come to think that this was the best outcome for the victim. She avoided being grilled by Kobe's lawyers, and being accused of lying, etc. and also was paid (probably) millions for her suffering and anguish. Better than The System where she would get nothing but embarrassment and hatred from Kobe's defenders. Wasn't she also white?

    While Bryant is said to have cleaned up his act subsequently, "loved his children" etc. all good things, why does that even if true merit mandatory silence about his violence against women crime? His rep is tarnished to everyone with a functioning brain. Sorry. A tragic ending doesn't wash all sins totally away. Where are the ultra #BelievetheWomen mobs now?
  20. “First let’s kill all the lawyers” . This guy witnessed a crime in 2018 he gets murdered two years later waiting for the thing to come to trial . What was going on all that time ? When I think of “the criminal justice system” I imagine one of those black smoking tubes at the bottom of the ocean with all those thousands of weird life forms clustered around them feeding on what’s coming out of the tube and each other in the pitch black depths of the ocean . Is everything broken ?

    • Agree: West Reanimator
    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Yes; the courts (criminal and otherwise) in the F.U.S.A. are irremediably shit.

    However, you've completely misunderstood the context and therefore the point of Shakespeare's famous quip: the character speaking it is a blackguard with nefarious intentions – killing all the lawyers will prevent their invoking the rule of law to put a stop to his evil shenanigans. Don't worry: you are in popular, if not good, company – those who have actual familiarity with Henry VI are few and far between.
  21. “Black History Month sponsored by Hennessy” is funny; kind of a Dave Chappelle-ish comment.

  22. @Reg Cæsar
    They could simply have but his lips into inaction and told him to put some ice on that.

    Wilmer Maldonado
     
    You've got to be pretty low-class to think Wilmer is a high-class name. Even in Central America.

    It peaked in the US in 1915, and left the top 1000 in 1967, 16 years before this Wilmer was born.

    1941 Wilmer

  23. You should try the medieval Scottish system knows as Jeddart Justice. First you hang the gangsters then you hold the trial. That way there should be no suborning of witnesses. Nor indeed murder of them.

    • Replies: @black sea

    First you hang the gangsters then you hold the trial.
     
    God will know His own.
  24. @JohnnyWalker123
    Gayle King brought up the issue of Kobe being accused of rape back in 2003.

    https://twitter.com/videomixtape_/status/1225353127467134976


    Snoop Dogg wasn't happy about that.

    https://twitter.com/XXL/status/1225476864375955457


    For some reason, Bill Cosby's name came up. Don't ask me how. So did Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson.


    https://twitter.com/batvvolf/status/1225500337680896005


    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519733442740224

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519997969223681


    Listen to the last few seconds of the video below. From 0:41-0:44.

    https://twitter.com/RobTakeOver/status/1225380444549586944


    https://twitter.com/KarlousM/status/1225543429985308674

    Wow, Mr. Walker, even I find it hard to believe Snoop would make an outright death threat like that to Gail! I guess it would be too much to hope this would “wake” Gail and/or Oprah, at least a touch, to the hustle they enable and encourage on a near daily basis.

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki

    ...even I find it hard to believe Snoop would make an outright death threat like that to Gail!
     
    As do I. Presumably because it never occurred.
  25. @JohnnyWalker123
    Gayle King brought up the issue of Kobe being accused of rape back in 2003.

    https://twitter.com/videomixtape_/status/1225353127467134976


    Snoop Dogg wasn't happy about that.

    https://twitter.com/XXL/status/1225476864375955457


    For some reason, Bill Cosby's name came up. Don't ask me how. So did Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson.


    https://twitter.com/batvvolf/status/1225500337680896005


    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519733442740224

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519997969223681


    Listen to the last few seconds of the video below. From 0:41-0:44.

    https://twitter.com/RobTakeOver/status/1225380444549586944


    https://twitter.com/KarlousM/status/1225543429985308674

    “Complicated” is the new euphemism for saying, “there’s a lot there we cannot really speak about”. Used typically like, He has a “complicated” history (he bludgeoned his foster parents to death then was sent in and out of JD). Their relationship was “complicated”…he beat her often, but she went back to him and had three children with him before he finally murdered her.

    The white woman’s equivalent is “messy”. Comes up a lot, especially with conflicted sometimes-conservative and/or Christian women….”my relationship with my ex-husband and first his wife was messy” (translation: He found out I was in a lesbian relationship with her). “Messy” divorce (took years to get the right alimony/CS ordered by the court and the divorce over). If it is “complicated” and “messy” there is a private admission one wants to obscure. For example, “our divorce was messy, my husband dragged me through the courts for years, not wanting to pay $12,000 a month in alimony…it was also complicated (my new boyfriend burned my husband’s business to the ground and killed his dog).

    I’m working on my coding and dog whistle handbook.

    • Thanks: Autochthon
    • Replies: @mmack
    OscarWildeLoveChild,

    Why'd you have to go and make things so complicated?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPBIwQyPWE
  26. “I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.”

    A better deterrent would be gelding. I bet these primitives fear living without their genitals quite a bit more than they fear death. In the prison world, instead of being treated like heroes, they would be sodomite fodder.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Lopping off the penis and testicles of certain criminals would be the effective and low cost deterrent and punishment. Prison rape would be one such crime, along with certain molestation and sexual assault cases.
  27. @slumber_j
    Between this and the get-out-of-jail-free no-bail provision for all but (some) violent felons, 2020 now marks the end of the ebb tide in criminality for New York State.

    This makes me unhappy, because I live in Manhattan with my wife and children. It's already not ending well.

    You would be a welcome addition to Fairfield County. Seriously consider it. I’ve asked you before why you stay in the city. I seldom need to go anymore, and I rarely do, but you could still go in from here for any of the cultural and entertainment features you have said you care about there.

    It used to impress me, but after years of travel, New York City just seems to me like a dirty, overrated mess full of self-satisfied people smelling their own farts. I like it now about as much as I like Chuck Schumer, and it seems certain to get worse. Then again, Connecticut might not be far behind. The difference is, we have room and a hundred modest-sized towns separated by trees.

    • Replies: @Anon
    But do you have ethnic food 24/7?
    , @NJ Transit Commuter
    In my opinion, the apex of post WWII NYC was September 10, 2001. Being a big city, it took a while for the decline to kick in, but from what I hear it’s really accelerating now. I haven’t worked in Manhattan since 2011.

    Around the turn of the century, I was getting an MBA at night at Baruch College. I used to walk back to Penn Station late at night without any worries. Wonder if I could now. Back in the halcyon days of Rudy, you never saw a homeless person in Penn Station. I remember being surprised, and seeing other people being surprised, when they first reappeared. But, people quickly surrender to filth and chaos, and now I hear there are many many more homeless there.
    , @Mr McKenna
    The principal demerit regarding Fairfield County is that it's full of 'New York' types.

    Back when I lived up that way, Litchfield was still a redoubt of actual Yankees.

    Now it's been filling up with New Yorkers too. They're everywhere.

    And where they're not (out west), there are expat Californians.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    It used to impress me, but after years of travel, New York City just seems to me like a dirty, overrated mess full of self-satisfied people smelling their own farts.
     
    I think the warrior-poet John Rocker had the best take on NYC:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rocker#Controversial_statements

    It's the most hectic, nerve-wracking city. Imagine having to take the 7 Train to the ballpark looking like you're riding through Beirut next to some kid with purple hair, next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It's depressing... The biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?
     
    , @slumber_j
    Well, thank you. With apologies to Mr McKenna (see his reply to yours), I think Litchfield Co. would be a more likely destination as we already have a house there. It's the only one of CT's eight counties to have voted for Trump, despite all the snooty transplants, and it feels like actual New England--for better and worse.

    I'd still have to figure out a way not to have to drive everywhere though.

  28. @JohnnyWalker123
    Gayle King brought up the issue of Kobe being accused of rape back in 2003.

    https://twitter.com/videomixtape_/status/1225353127467134976


    Snoop Dogg wasn't happy about that.

    https://twitter.com/XXL/status/1225476864375955457


    For some reason, Bill Cosby's name came up. Don't ask me how. So did Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson.


    https://twitter.com/batvvolf/status/1225500337680896005


    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519733442740224

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519997969223681


    Listen to the last few seconds of the video below. From 0:41-0:44.

    https://twitter.com/RobTakeOver/status/1225380444549586944


    https://twitter.com/KarlousM/status/1225543429985308674

    Imagine an expatriated Snoop Dog attempting to survive in Liberia. I’d subscribe to Netflix in order to watch that documentary.

  29. I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.

    Actually, although I doubt if it would be much of a deterrrent, it might be a good idea to have it for any kind of gang-related crime of violence, because nearly all the violent crimes including numerous stabbings and murders committed inside prisons are gang-related, so it would make prisons much easier to run and save taxpayer money.

    However it would have to be implemented immediately after conviction so that you did not have death rows full of gangsters.

    The problem with the death penalty is that it is hardly ever implemented promptly.

    Give them, say, a year and a day from the date of conviction to appeal as much as they like, then execute and let any further appeals continue posthumously if their heirs desire and are willing to pay for it.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Deregulate and legalize concealed and open carry in all 50 states, as they should be our rights under Amendment II. Require that any Citizen defending himself is innocent and free of investigation or indictment unless an iron-clad and obvious case presents itself against him.

    If our country is going to become lawless, a new Wild West, then by God let us act like it.

    , @Mr McKenna

    I doubt if it would be much of a deterrrent,
     
    Generally speaking, though, the death penalty is not only a deterrent, it's the perfect deterrent. No one who has been executed has ever gone on to commit more crimes.

    So, while I take your point regarding the propensities of a criminal contemplating his next move, consider my point as well.

    , @Pickle Rick
    Penal colonies. There’s some nice islands in the Aleutians we can dump them on and airdrop food to them while they do whatever they want to each other.
    , @EricCC
    Having worked in prisons for a large part of my life, your "all the violent crimes including numerous stabbings and murders committed inside prisons are gang-related" is factual, but not truthful to quote Michael Malice.

    When you are in anything above county/city jails, you are automatically in a gang. You have no options to opt out of that unless you go into special housing, and there too, you will most likely be in a gang. Or, in other words, 99% of the prison population is in a gang. So sure, most murders in prison have a gang element to them, but most have nothing to do with what we think of as gang violence outside of prison. For one, gangs almost never attack each other. So MS13/eMe would never go after a white or black person. That would automatically start a riot. Likewise no black or white gang would go after someone of a different race without starting a riot and putting the whole prison on a months long lockdown.

    Almost all killings in prison are due to drug debts within the gang itself or someone having bad papers (sex/child crimes). The bad papers violence is always handled within your own race and is again, not really gang related in the way we think of gang crime. The remaining violence ends up being random things that are not really to do with the gang.
  30. Putting to death murderers is a good idea; so therefore the “progressive part” of America will oppose it.

  31. @Buzz Mohawk
    You would be a welcome addition to Fairfield County. Seriously consider it. I've asked you before why you stay in the city. I seldom need to go anymore, and I rarely do, but you could still go in from here for any of the cultural and entertainment features you have said you care about there.

    It used to impress me, but after years of travel, New York City just seems to me like a dirty, overrated mess full of self-satisfied people smelling their own farts. I like it now about as much as I like Chuck Schumer, and it seems certain to get worse. Then again, Connecticut might not be far behind. The difference is, we have room and a hundred modest-sized towns separated by trees.

    But do you have ethnic food 24/7?

  32. …the end of the ebb tide in criminality for New York State.

    This makes me unhappy, because I live in Manhattan with my wife and children. It’s already not ending well.

    I don’t know if it’s still true, but a book from the early ’70s– from NY’s Arlington House, tied to the Conservative Book Club– found that nine of the ten safest cities over 50,000 in the US were in upstate New York and Wisconsin.

    Not that all was rosy– their chapter on Utica said there was nothing left to steal. And there’s all that snow upstate– and the occasional Gein or Dahmer in less snowy Wisconsin.

  33. Fast deportation would probably remedy much of this violence. Too bad that idea is a fantasy.

  34. @slumber_j
    Between this and the get-out-of-jail-free no-bail provision for all but (some) violent felons, 2020 now marks the end of the ebb tide in criminality for New York State.

    This makes me unhappy, because I live in Manhattan with my wife and children. It's already not ending well.

    If circumstances allow, get out. Honestly, it’s tough to leave what we all once considered to be the Center of the World, but the family will adapt.

    When I was a kid, I thought a 1/2-acre lot was a wildlife sanctuary. In reality it was a place where the bordering gas station dumped oil changes, and who knows what else. We used to climb the fence and wonder at the black soil. Where no wild plants grew. Now of course it’s been developed 😉 Kids there are now living above the soil soaked with brake and transmission fluid dumped from my uncle’s ’71 Cadillac.

    Move away, and visit the City occasionally to keep the family satisfied.

  35. @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.
     
    Actually, although I doubt if it would be much of a deterrrent, it might be a good idea to have it for any kind of gang-related crime of violence, because nearly all the violent crimes including numerous stabbings and murders committed inside prisons are gang-related, so it would make prisons much easier to run and save taxpayer money.

    However it would have to be implemented immediately after conviction so that you did not have death rows full of gangsters.

    The problem with the death penalty is that it is hardly ever implemented promptly.

    Give them, say, a year and a day from the date of conviction to appeal as much as they like, then execute and let any further appeals continue posthumously if their heirs desire and are willing to pay for it.

    Deregulate and legalize concealed and open carry in all 50 states, as they should be our rights under Amendment II. Require that any Citizen defending himself is innocent and free of investigation or indictment unless an iron-clad and obvious case presents itself against him.

    If our country is going to become lawless, a new Wild West, then by God let us act like it.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Replies: @anon
    If our country is going to become lawless, a new Wild West, then by God let us act like it.

    Anarcho-Tyranny requires normal people to obey the law, in order that the lawless may be free to do as they wish. For equality or the greater good or liberation or some other airy abstraction.

    Thus the answer from our masters is "no, you cannot have nice things and no, you cannot even defend yourself".
    , @Jonathan Mason

    Require that any Citizen defending himself is innocent and free of investigation or indictment unless an iron-clad and obvious case presents itself against him.
     
    I think that is a recipe for open gang warfare, and there will always be loads of eyewitness homeboys to confirm that it was "self defense".

    We already have enough problems with cases where cops shoot people claiming self defense, when they are usually given the benefit of the doubt. Your proposal would make things 1000 times worse when everyone goes out on a Saturday night armed to the teeth.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Or free and compulsory summer camp vacations for gang members.
  36. @Reg Cæsar
    They could simply have but his lips into inaction and told him to put some ice on that.

    Wilmer Maldonado
     
    You've got to be pretty low-class to think Wilmer is a high-class name. Even in Central America.

    It peaked in the US in 1915, and left the top 1000 in 1967, 16 years before this Wilmer was born.

    “Well, Wilmer, I’m sorry indeed to lose you, but I want you to know I couldn’t be fonder of you if you were my own son. But, well, if you lose a son, it’s possible to get another. There’s only one Maltese Falcon.”

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/a/ae/TMFElisha_Cook_Jr.jpg/400px-TMFElisha_Cook_Jr.jpg
  37. @JohnnyWalker123
    Gayle King brought up the issue of Kobe being accused of rape back in 2003.

    https://twitter.com/videomixtape_/status/1225353127467134976


    Snoop Dogg wasn't happy about that.

    https://twitter.com/XXL/status/1225476864375955457


    For some reason, Bill Cosby's name came up. Don't ask me how. So did Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson.


    https://twitter.com/batvvolf/status/1225500337680896005


    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519733442740224

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519997969223681


    Listen to the last few seconds of the video below. From 0:41-0:44.

    https://twitter.com/RobTakeOver/status/1225380444549586944


    https://twitter.com/KarlousM/status/1225543429985308674

    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.

    Well, that gives new meaning to the term “stool pigeon”.

    Not that pigeons tweet, they coo– which Bill replaced with better living through chemistry.

    But they are responsible for a lot of stool:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Pigeons are filthy, foul flying rats and should be culled by any means necessary. Falconry is elegant, but too much work. Shooting with air rifles is excellent sport and environmentally conscious.

    The problem with public pigeon poisoning is that if a humane fast poison is used, you will be caught and they will charge you with something, usually animal cruelty. It offends people and so they will bust you to pander to the misguided animal crowd. A slow poison will let them fly off and die, but they will suffer and worse, animals who eat the dead pigeons will suffer and die.

    The best solution was ingenious and I saw it deployed at a rail yard once. A special rope wound with alternating conductive and dielectric strands was suspended where birds en masse would roost on it. Each bird having two legs, it would be in contact with two separate conductors. When a lot of birds of the undesirable species were on the line, a big oil filled capacitor was discharged across the conductors and most of the birds were instantly and humanely killed. They’d all fall over and hit the ground, and the contractor would dash out and sweep them up.
  38. anon[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Deregulate and legalize concealed and open carry in all 50 states, as they should be our rights under Amendment II. Require that any Citizen defending himself is innocent and free of investigation or indictment unless an iron-clad and obvious case presents itself against him.

    If our country is going to become lawless, a new Wild West, then by God let us act like it.

    If our country is going to become lawless, a new Wild West, then by God let us act like it.

    Anarcho-Tyranny requires normal people to obey the law, in order that the lawless may be free to do as they wish. For equality or the greater good or liberation or some other airy abstraction.

    Thus the answer from our masters is “no, you cannot have nice things and no, you cannot even defend yourself”.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  39. @Kylie
    "Well, Wilmer, I'm sorry indeed to lose you, but I want you to know I couldn't be fonder of you if you were my own son. But, well, if you lose a son, it's possible to get another. There's only one Maltese Falcon."

  40. @Buzz Mohawk
    You would be a welcome addition to Fairfield County. Seriously consider it. I've asked you before why you stay in the city. I seldom need to go anymore, and I rarely do, but you could still go in from here for any of the cultural and entertainment features you have said you care about there.

    It used to impress me, but after years of travel, New York City just seems to me like a dirty, overrated mess full of self-satisfied people smelling their own farts. I like it now about as much as I like Chuck Schumer, and it seems certain to get worse. Then again, Connecticut might not be far behind. The difference is, we have room and a hundred modest-sized towns separated by trees.

    In my opinion, the apex of post WWII NYC was September 10, 2001. Being a big city, it took a while for the decline to kick in, but from what I hear it’s really accelerating now. I haven’t worked in Manhattan since 2011.

    Around the turn of the century, I was getting an MBA at night at Baruch College. I used to walk back to Penn Station late at night without any worries. Wonder if I could now. Back in the halcyon days of Rudy, you never saw a homeless person in Penn Station. I remember being surprised, and seeing other people being surprised, when they first reappeared. But, people quickly surrender to filth and chaos, and now I hear there are many many more homeless there.

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    My mom called me from New York on the morning of 9/11 and I remember telling her that it was not possible that the Towers could fall from a plane strike. My dad worked in the Empire State Building and I knew about the WW2-era bomber strike and other data.

    I still haven't been able to process the Twin Towers destruction, because I grew up hearing about the progress of construction and engineering.

    Always listen to your mom.

    I don't believe it was an inside job, as they say.

    , @Dave3
    I last visited NYC on August 31, 2001. When I got off the bus at Port Authority, there was a Mexican guy lying alone on the floor, not moving, with a puddle of blood around his head. Everyone just walked by without saying anything.

    As it was still summer, the streets reeked of garbage rotting in dumpsters. I guess you were used to that.
  41. @Lot
    One of the best things Trump and especially Miller and Jeff Sessions did was reverse Late Obama Age Collapse policies that extended asylum to those “fleeing gang violence” and “domestic violence.”

    I think we need a travel ban on the Central American nations allowing “caravans.”

    I think we need a travel ban on the Central American nations allowing “caravans.”

    That’s a disturbing way to put it– you want those countries to erect Berlin Walls? Or are you referring to the countries that allow the caravans to pass through?

    That would be mostly Mexico. Now there’s a way to suppress the reconquista.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “ That’s a disturbing way to put it– you want those countries to erect Berlin Walls? Or are you referring to the countries that allow the caravans to pass through?”

    Yes and yes.

    The snipers are not required, but if they really want them I won’t culturally imperialist bully them to stop.
    , @Leo D
    I think what @Lot means by a 'travel ban' is that NO ONE from those countries is allowed in the United States...pull all travel, business, student, and diplomatic visas.

    As a consequence, you watch, those countries would viciously crack down on the caravans. I can't speak for @Lot, but I wouldn't care how they did it.

    Also keep in mind that the speed by which the caravans cease will be directly proportional to the viciousness of the methods used to crack down on them.
  42. @JohnnyWalker123
    Gayle King brought up the issue of Kobe being accused of rape back in 2003.

    https://twitter.com/videomixtape_/status/1225353127467134976


    Snoop Dogg wasn't happy about that.

    https://twitter.com/XXL/status/1225476864375955457


    For some reason, Bill Cosby's name came up. Don't ask me how. So did Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson.


    https://twitter.com/batvvolf/status/1225500337680896005


    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519733442740224

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519997969223681


    Listen to the last few seconds of the video below. From 0:41-0:44.

    https://twitter.com/RobTakeOver/status/1225380444549586944


    https://twitter.com/KarlousM/status/1225543429985308674

    Anyone remember when Snoop was charged with first degree murder? Or Mike Tyson being convicted of rape? Both got dropped into the Memory Hole.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    Was never a fan of Dunkin', but, after this, the Dunkin' boycott is 100%. Guess DD will soon be just like Mickey D's, with lots of customer fights videos posted on World Hip Hop, You Tube, and live streamed!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXUESAU3zL4

    , @guest
    I wouldn’t say memory-holed, though maybe younger generations aren’t aware. I certainly remember, and despite the fact that they find corporate backing, probably most people look at “Snoop” and Iron Mike and easily think “criminal.”

    Snoop’s trial was never so big as I thought it would be. Like one one-hundredth of an O.J. But Boomers didn’t know who he was. Everyone knew Mike, but there was much less intrigue. Just look at/listen to him. We all know what he is.
  43. Snitches get stiches

  44. @Buzz Mohawk
    Deregulate and legalize concealed and open carry in all 50 states, as they should be our rights under Amendment II. Require that any Citizen defending himself is innocent and free of investigation or indictment unless an iron-clad and obvious case presents itself against him.

    If our country is going to become lawless, a new Wild West, then by God let us act like it.

    Require that any Citizen defending himself is innocent and free of investigation or indictment unless an iron-clad and obvious case presents itself against him.

    I think that is a recipe for open gang warfare, and there will always be loads of eyewitness homeboys to confirm that it was “self defense”.

    We already have enough problems with cases where cops shoot people claiming self defense, when they are usually given the benefit of the doubt. Your proposal would make things 1000 times worse when everyone goes out on a Saturday night armed to the teeth.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    LOL. I know.

    On the other hand, do you think I would care if gang members were killing each other off? In a way, that might be a good thing. I'd just like to be able to defend myself without question if one of them happens to wander out of Gangland.

    , @J.Ross
    >gangs will use self-defense and second amendment
    There are several things preventing this from happening now, all of which would probably apply in the scenario:
    Felons can't carry (and punitively restricting gun rights is a pretty normal target in dealing with gangs).
    Gangs are usually stupid teenagers, diving into both violence and prison because of their youthful thoightlessness. They will want to be able to say that they drew first.
    However, shouldn't they be able to defend themselves if they need to?
  45. @Buzz Mohawk
    You would be a welcome addition to Fairfield County. Seriously consider it. I've asked you before why you stay in the city. I seldom need to go anymore, and I rarely do, but you could still go in from here for any of the cultural and entertainment features you have said you care about there.

    It used to impress me, but after years of travel, New York City just seems to me like a dirty, overrated mess full of self-satisfied people smelling their own farts. I like it now about as much as I like Chuck Schumer, and it seems certain to get worse. Then again, Connecticut might not be far behind. The difference is, we have room and a hundred modest-sized towns separated by trees.

    The principal demerit regarding Fairfield County is that it’s full of ‘New York’ types.

    Back when I lived up that way, Litchfield was still a redoubt of actual Yankees.

    Now it’s been filling up with New Yorkers too. They’re everywhere.

    And where they’re not (out west), there are expat Californians.

  46. The canary who could sing but couldn’t flee.

  47. Defendants should have access to names and as much info about their accusers and their accusations as possible. That’s how a free and open democracy works.

    The problem here isn’t the law; it’s the people. Just as unfettered Italian immigration was the beginning of the end for unwarranted search and seizure laws, I suspect third world immigration will be the end of any semblance of our fair trial laws.

    • Troll: Hibernian
  48. @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.
     
    Actually, although I doubt if it would be much of a deterrrent, it might be a good idea to have it for any kind of gang-related crime of violence, because nearly all the violent crimes including numerous stabbings and murders committed inside prisons are gang-related, so it would make prisons much easier to run and save taxpayer money.

    However it would have to be implemented immediately after conviction so that you did not have death rows full of gangsters.

    The problem with the death penalty is that it is hardly ever implemented promptly.

    Give them, say, a year and a day from the date of conviction to appeal as much as they like, then execute and let any further appeals continue posthumously if their heirs desire and are willing to pay for it.

    I doubt if it would be much of a deterrrent,

    Generally speaking, though, the death penalty is not only a deterrent, it’s the perfect deterrent. No one who has been executed has ever gone on to commit more crimes.

    So, while I take your point regarding the propensities of a criminal contemplating his next move, consider my point as well.

  49. @Lugash
    Anyone remember when Snoop was charged with first degree murder? Or Mike Tyson being convicted of rape? Both got dropped into the Memory Hole.

    Was never a fan of Dunkin’, but, after this, the Dunkin’ boycott is 100%. Guess DD will soon be just like Mickey D’s, with lots of customer fights videos posted on World Hip Hop, You Tube, and live streamed!!

    • Replies: @danand

    "Dunkin’ boycott is 100%"
     
    CCZ, don't typical endorsement deal contracts include morals clauses anymore, or is that now passe? Murder threats OK with Dunkin' & Beyond Meat? I guess if their stocks don't take a hit, its all chill.

    I'm sure Martha's still down, as she and Snoop share a common disdain for the justice system.

    https://youtu.be/Y4F7f-i52-Y
  50. @NJ Transit Commuter
    In my opinion, the apex of post WWII NYC was September 10, 2001. Being a big city, it took a while for the decline to kick in, but from what I hear it’s really accelerating now. I haven’t worked in Manhattan since 2011.

    Around the turn of the century, I was getting an MBA at night at Baruch College. I used to walk back to Penn Station late at night without any worries. Wonder if I could now. Back in the halcyon days of Rudy, you never saw a homeless person in Penn Station. I remember being surprised, and seeing other people being surprised, when they first reappeared. But, people quickly surrender to filth and chaos, and now I hear there are many many more homeless there.

    My mom called me from New York on the morning of 9/11 and I remember telling her that it was not possible that the Towers could fall from a plane strike. My dad worked in the Empire State Building and I knew about the WW2-era bomber strike and other data.

    I still haven’t been able to process the Twin Towers destruction, because I grew up hearing about the progress of construction and engineering.

    Always listen to your mom.

    I don’t believe it was an inside job, as they say.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    My dad worked in the Empire State Building and I knew about the WW2-era bomber strike and other data.
     
    Another military aircraft hit 40 Wall Street (now the Trump Building) the next year.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_Wall_Street#1946_plane_crash


    These were accidents, and the buildings have a brick exterior, which may make a difference.

    In 2001, it was a deliberate act of war led by an architect. The WTC's architect had done a number of buildings in Saudi Arabia, giving them plenty of opportunity to study the man's work.

    So, all things aren't equal-- they never are.
  51. I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.

    Well it’s a moot point in NY and Cali since neither state will ever execute another prisoner. Might as well be in England.

    It’s interesting how the states with the biggest gang problems are also the states that have scuttled the death penalty as a deterrent. I don’t see MS-13 raising too much hell in Texas.

    • Replies: @danand

    "Well it’s a moot point in NY and Cali since neither state will ever execute another prisoner."
     
    Bragadocious, I'd bet you're right. Trump in his event this morning made a point of "slamming" both New York & California for their general degeneracy. Good move on his part, as both states are lost to him, and are more and more becoming disdained by the rest of the Country; certainly to a significant part of his base.

    I started watching Trump's Senate impeachment acquittal presentation this morning and turned it off after a minute in. Seemed he might start going off the rails, and I didn't feel up to wincing; particularly on the heels of his great performance in the SOTU address. Thought about it a bit, "girded" myself, ready to feel a little queasy, and turned the set back on. Glad I did, in his singular Trumpian 1/2D chess fashion he pulled it off once again. Harsh, disjointed, humorous, even a slight bit touching; for me it just plain worked:

    https://youtu.be/IREknOdkPbA
    , @Nicholas Stix
    Hey, how about we speak of the California state government as "the Cali Cartel"? I can't think of an alliterative phrase for NYC.

    We could call the New York City council the "NY Soviet," since "Soviet" translates as "council," as in "council republic" (Räterepublik).
  52. ‘…Prosecutors last December revealed Maldonado’s identity to an arrested suspect’s defense team as a result of the recently enacted laws compelling the state to turn over the names of witnesses in criminal cases.

    I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.’

    Would this apply to the members of the defense team in the above case?

    It would seem to me that it should. After all, surely if you turn a name over to a murderous thug, knowing exactly what he is going to do, you bear at least as much moral responsibility as the thug.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  53. @Reg Cæsar
    They could simply have but his lips into inaction and told him to put some ice on that.

    Wilmer Maldonado
     
    You've got to be pretty low-class to think Wilmer is a high-class name. Even in Central America.

    It peaked in the US in 1915, and left the top 1000 in 1967, 16 years before this Wilmer was born.

    Not to be all, “ooooh, I’m so cuuuuultured” but there is an angle non-Spanish speaking iSteve-ers don’t follow here. If I said “Angus McNeil” you’d have no difficulty identifying this persons ethnicity. Sure, sometime soon you’d be surprised by an adopted Asian kid or what have you but you’d broadly know.
    1920s to 1950s era “Classic Names” (and, oddly, famous ancient Greeks) are the near-exclusive domain of Dominicans. Also worth noting is that Dominicans have a rival gang (Trinitarios) which would provide a “why” for the State’s Evidence angle (lawfare > warfare when you can get a DA to patrol your turf)
    **
    Parenthetically Maldonado means something akin to “tough breaks” or “bad luck”

  54. When I read Leovy’s book, it was the witness- killing and intimidation that stood out to me. My initial thought was that we should pour federal money into creating task forces with the best detectives to track down anyone who kills a witness.

    No amount of resources is going to catch every murderer in black-inhabited urban areas. But when someone gets away with killing or intimidating any witness, that’s an affront to the entire justice system.

    • Agree: Servant of Gla'aki
  55. @Jonathan Mason

    Require that any Citizen defending himself is innocent and free of investigation or indictment unless an iron-clad and obvious case presents itself against him.
     
    I think that is a recipe for open gang warfare, and there will always be loads of eyewitness homeboys to confirm that it was "self defense".

    We already have enough problems with cases where cops shoot people claiming self defense, when they are usually given the benefit of the doubt. Your proposal would make things 1000 times worse when everyone goes out on a Saturday night armed to the teeth.

    LOL. I know.

    On the other hand, do you think I would care if gang members were killing each other off? In a way, that might be a good thing. I’d just like to be able to defend myself without question if one of them happens to wander out of Gangland.

  56. @Jonathan Mason

    Require that any Citizen defending himself is innocent and free of investigation or indictment unless an iron-clad and obvious case presents itself against him.
     
    I think that is a recipe for open gang warfare, and there will always be loads of eyewitness homeboys to confirm that it was "self defense".

    We already have enough problems with cases where cops shoot people claiming self defense, when they are usually given the benefit of the doubt. Your proposal would make things 1000 times worse when everyone goes out on a Saturday night armed to the teeth.

    >gangs will use self-defense and second amendment
    There are several things preventing this from happening now, all of which would probably apply in the scenario:
    Felons can’t carry (and punitively restricting gun rights is a pretty normal target in dealing with gangs).
    Gangs are usually stupid teenagers, diving into both violence and prison because of their youthful thoightlessness. They will want to be able to say that they drew first.
    However, shouldn’t they be able to defend themselves if they need to?

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    "Felons can’t carry (and punitively restricting gun rights is a pretty normal target in dealing with gangs)."

    In the People's Republic of Illinois, it was illegal to carry an automatic switchblade knife.

    But with the signature of the Governor, switchblades are now LEGAL to carry once you get an IL FOID card.

    https://newschannel20.com/news/local/you-can-now-carry-this-deadly-weapon-in-illinois

    So any normal law-abiding citizen can now carry a DEADLY WEAPON with a $10 FOID.
  57. @slumber_j
    Between this and the get-out-of-jail-free no-bail provision for all but (some) violent felons, 2020 now marks the end of the ebb tide in criminality for New York State.

    This makes me unhappy, because I live in Manhattan with my wife and children. It's already not ending well.

    Come back to the Queen City. Love to have you.

    The Midwest has been sending all our hipster dorks to Brooklyn as part of a nefarious plan to smoke out NY’s best in hopes that some will choose to migrate here and replenish our City Slicker supply.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Come back to the Queen City. Love to have you.
     
    Provincetown? Key West? West Hollywood?




    There are an awful lot of "Queen Cities" in our republic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_City

    I assume you meant Cincinnati. Is the Cincinnati Rifle Union still in business?
    , @slumber_j
    Thanks. Visiting my mother there in early March. Maybe I should just stay?
  58. @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.
     
    Actually, although I doubt if it would be much of a deterrrent, it might be a good idea to have it for any kind of gang-related crime of violence, because nearly all the violent crimes including numerous stabbings and murders committed inside prisons are gang-related, so it would make prisons much easier to run and save taxpayer money.

    However it would have to be implemented immediately after conviction so that you did not have death rows full of gangsters.

    The problem with the death penalty is that it is hardly ever implemented promptly.

    Give them, say, a year and a day from the date of conviction to appeal as much as they like, then execute and let any further appeals continue posthumously if their heirs desire and are willing to pay for it.

    Penal colonies. There’s some nice islands in the Aleutians we can dump them on and airdrop food to them while they do whatever they want to each other.

  59. @JohnnyWalker123
    Gayle King brought up the issue of Kobe being accused of rape back in 2003.

    https://twitter.com/videomixtape_/status/1225353127467134976


    Snoop Dogg wasn't happy about that.

    https://twitter.com/XXL/status/1225476864375955457


    For some reason, Bill Cosby's name came up. Don't ask me how. So did Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson.


    https://twitter.com/batvvolf/status/1225500337680896005


    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519733442740224

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519997969223681


    Listen to the last few seconds of the video below. From 0:41-0:44.

    https://twitter.com/RobTakeOver/status/1225380444549586944


    https://twitter.com/KarlousM/status/1225543429985308674

    2020 is already outperforming.

    Watch Snoop won’t even get booted off whatever platform that is, when he issued an open threat of violence there at the end.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  60. @NJ Transit Commuter
    In my opinion, the apex of post WWII NYC was September 10, 2001. Being a big city, it took a while for the decline to kick in, but from what I hear it’s really accelerating now. I haven’t worked in Manhattan since 2011.

    Around the turn of the century, I was getting an MBA at night at Baruch College. I used to walk back to Penn Station late at night without any worries. Wonder if I could now. Back in the halcyon days of Rudy, you never saw a homeless person in Penn Station. I remember being surprised, and seeing other people being surprised, when they first reappeared. But, people quickly surrender to filth and chaos, and now I hear there are many many more homeless there.

    I last visited NYC on August 31, 2001. When I got off the bus at Port Authority, there was a Mexican guy lying alone on the floor, not moving, with a puddle of blood around his head. Everyone just walked by without saying anything.

    As it was still summer, the streets reeked of garbage rotting in dumpsters. I guess you were used to that.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    I'm unaware of any city that has a pleasing bus station in a pleasant neighborhood--I could be wrong as I haven't visited that many. The Port Authority is nicer than most in my experience.

    That doesn't deny your particular experience, or your opinion. NYC is filled with lots of unusual sights and smells, no doubt.
  61. @Reg Cæsar

    I think we need a travel ban on the Central American nations allowing “caravans.”
     
    That's a disturbing way to put it-- you want those countries to erect Berlin Walls? Or are you referring to the countries that allow the caravans to pass through?

    That would be mostly Mexico. Now there's a way to suppress the reconquista.

    “ That’s a disturbing way to put it– you want those countries to erect Berlin Walls? Or are you referring to the countries that allow the caravans to pass through?”

    Yes and yes.

    The snipers are not required, but if they really want them I won’t culturally imperialist bully them to stop.

  62. I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved for prosecutors and judges who incarcerate innocent people.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Now, there's a thought. Add to that politicians who propose laws that violate the constitutional prohibition of such legislation.
  63. @JohnnyWalker123
    Gayle King brought up the issue of Kobe being accused of rape back in 2003.

    https://twitter.com/videomixtape_/status/1225353127467134976


    Snoop Dogg wasn't happy about that.

    https://twitter.com/XXL/status/1225476864375955457


    For some reason, Bill Cosby's name came up. Don't ask me how. So did Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson.


    https://twitter.com/batvvolf/status/1225500337680896005


    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519733442740224

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519997969223681


    Listen to the last few seconds of the video below. From 0:41-0:44.

    https://twitter.com/RobTakeOver/status/1225380444549586944


    https://twitter.com/KarlousM/status/1225543429985308674

    Why does Bill Cosby have a Twitter account? Or access to a device to tweet from? What the hell?

    Apparently raping drugged women does not violate Twitter’s terms of service.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    It's anarchotyranny online. Anarchotyranny: one of the best coinages of the last fifty years. Helps you wrap your mind around so much that otherwise makes no sense.
    , @guest
    He didn’t rape anyone ON Twitter, so...I guess they don’t care.

    Unless he’s a true monster like Alex Jones.
    , @J1234
    He needed that account to remind everyone (from prison) last Father's Day that he's still "America's Dad."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bill-cosby-says-he-still-america-s-dad-father-day-n1018151

    , @mmack
    O.J. Simpson is on Twitter, so . . .
  64. @J.Ross
    How are the elites going to impose or enforce anything once we're Guatemala? Why don't they see this guaranteeing violence?

    So long as the violence is not against them….

  65. @kihowi
    In the same sense that running from the police should should mean an automatic doubling or tripling of the penalty for whatever you did.

    Criminals are dumb, but perfectly capable to making a non conscious cost/benefit analysis and most of the time, running is a no-brainer.

    The justice system is a system, and that means the first priority should be to make sure that it can function at all (putting people in a position where they can be judged). Only then can you start worrying about the quality of the individual judgments.

    In the same sense that running from the police should should mean an automatic doubling or tripling of the penalty for whatever you did.

    Nearly all sentences are plea bargained anyway.

  66. @dearieme
    You should try the medieval Scottish system knows as Jeddart Justice. First you hang the gangsters then you hold the trial. That way there should be no suborning of witnesses. Nor indeed murder of them.

    First you hang the gangsters then you hold the trial.

    God will know His own.

  67. @Desiderius
    Come back to the Queen City. Love to have you.

    The Midwest has been sending all our hipster dorks to Brooklyn as part of a nefarious plan to smoke out NY's best in hopes that some will choose to migrate here and replenish our City Slicker supply.

    Come back to the Queen City. Love to have you.

    Provincetown? Key West? West Hollywood?

    There are an awful lot of “Queen Cities” in our republic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_City

    I assume you meant Cincinnati. Is the Cincinnati Rifle Union still in business?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Not to my knowledge. What is/was it?
  68. I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.

    And the murder of correctional officers as well. There are people in prison who effectively have nothing to lose by attacking and if possible killing a guard.

  69. RACE has nothing to do with behavior. So, it’s odd that as we get more Mestizos, they act like they did in their home countries. Political scientists must be puzzled and confused.

  70. @Buzz Mohawk
    You would be a welcome addition to Fairfield County. Seriously consider it. I've asked you before why you stay in the city. I seldom need to go anymore, and I rarely do, but you could still go in from here for any of the cultural and entertainment features you have said you care about there.

    It used to impress me, but after years of travel, New York City just seems to me like a dirty, overrated mess full of self-satisfied people smelling their own farts. I like it now about as much as I like Chuck Schumer, and it seems certain to get worse. Then again, Connecticut might not be far behind. The difference is, we have room and a hundred modest-sized towns separated by trees.

    It used to impress me, but after years of travel, New York City just seems to me like a dirty, overrated mess full of self-satisfied people smelling their own farts.

    I think the warrior-poet John Rocker had the best take on NYC:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rocker#Controversial_statements

    It’s the most hectic, nerve-wracking city. Imagine having to take the 7 Train to the ballpark looking like you’re riding through Beirut next to some kid with purple hair, next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It’s depressing… The biggest thing I don’t like about New York are the foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?

    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Forbes
    The fascinating bit about Rocker's comments is that they were made 20 years ago, in 1999!

    I thought his comments were hilarious, and I live here--and everyone I knew then commented, "What's the problem, he's calling it like it is."

    The early stages of PC/SJW brigades doing their censorship routine: "You can't say that!"

    He was suspended for telling the truth, sent to "sensitivity" training, and made to eat a shit sandwich.

    I made up that last part--but basically, that's what MLB did to him.
  71. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering."

    A better deterrent would be gelding. I bet these primitives fear living without their genitals quite a bit more than they fear death. In the prison world, instead of being treated like heroes, they would be sodomite fodder.

    Lopping off the penis and testicles of certain criminals would be the effective and low cost deterrent and punishment. Prison rape would be one such crime, along with certain molestation and sexual assault cases.

  72. “I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.”

    The death penalty for murder works as a deterrent in that it does indeed deter a murderer from murdering again. I don’t think that government at any level should have a monopoly on killing murderers. Gangs like MS13 thrive because people who become their victims are prohibited from carrying weapons and using them in retaliation for murder.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    "I don’t think that government at any level should have a monopoly on killing murderers."

    Then you have to allow for civilians taking the law into their own hands.

    The idea that the government should have a monopoly on killing murderers was to stem the anarchy of every man being a law unto himself. If the government will not exact vengeance on victims' behalf, it is in league with cut-throats, and thus illegitimate.

    The Association in Support of Cut-Throats of Color takes the notion of no man being a law unto himself for granted, but without telling people how that came about, so that they won't draw logical conclusions about a political power that denies all redress to the victims of violent crime.

    Now, they speak of "restorative justice," which is an oxymoronic, racist code phrase for, "black and Hispanic cut-throats are the real victims."

    No vengeance, no justice.
  73. @J.Ross
    How are the elites going to impose or enforce anything once we're Guatemala? Why don't they see this guaranteeing violence?

    don’t they see this guaranteeing violence?

  74. @Reg Cæsar
    They could simply have but his lips into inaction and told him to put some ice on that.

    Wilmer Maldonado
     
    You've got to be pretty low-class to think Wilmer is a high-class name. Even in Central America.

    It peaked in the US in 1915, and left the top 1000 in 1967, 16 years before this Wilmer was born.

    Damn, you guys are disappointing.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_%2770s_Show

  75. @Buzz Mohawk
    Deregulate and legalize concealed and open carry in all 50 states, as they should be our rights under Amendment II. Require that any Citizen defending himself is innocent and free of investigation or indictment unless an iron-clad and obvious case presents itself against him.

    If our country is going to become lawless, a new Wild West, then by God let us act like it.

    Or free and compulsory summer camp vacations for gang members.

  76. @J.Ross
    How are the elites going to impose or enforce anything once we're Guatemala? Why don't they see this guaranteeing violence?

    IDK, I may have to be contrarian on this one. Isn’t learning the identity of prosecution witnesses part of the constitutional right to confront one’s accuser and mount a defense?

    After all, a witness could have ulterior motives or be proven to be unreliable or mistaken. You eventually have to allow cross examination at trial so they can’t stay secret forever anyway.

    I frankly thought most state prosecutors were already required to turn over the facts and witness identities as part of pretrial discovery. So this doesn’t really seem like a totally new thing.

    So how do you protect a key witness when they will have to testify against a super-dangerous gang member or mob boss? Man, I don’t know. Short of putting everyone in witness protection it’s a b*tch of a problem.

    But I don’t think you can have a system that convicts people with secret testimony either.

    • Replies: @Elli
    Under the old law, the names of witnesses were turned over to the defense on "the eve of the trial." Less time to arrange a hit, less time that the state might need to guard them.

    That seems like too little time. How is the defense supposed to investigate a witness during a trial?

    Now I believe witness names are to be turned over within 15 days. The judge can order they be shared with the defense team only and not the defendant.
    , @Polynikes
    Correct. The problem here isn’t America’s constitution or the centuries old English common law right to confront your accusers. It’s the presence of people in this country who can’t be governed by democracy and American traditions.
    , @bomag

    So how do you protect a key witness when they will have to testify against a super-dangerous gang member or mob boss?
     
    Reminds us again that society functions with unwritten agreements and codes.

    Importing people with different codes; and little intention of following extant codes; is a problem.
    , @J.Ross
    You're right in theory but wrong in practice, you're crashing into the fact that these people are not Americans and do not want to be Americans.
    , @Muggles
    >>>But I don’t think you can have a system that convicts people with secret testimony either.<<<

    I don't think Rep. Adam Schiff and his House Impeachment lynch mob got your memo on this.
  77. @CCZ
    Was never a fan of Dunkin', but, after this, the Dunkin' boycott is 100%. Guess DD will soon be just like Mickey D's, with lots of customer fights videos posted on World Hip Hop, You Tube, and live streamed!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXUESAU3zL4

    “Dunkin’ boycott is 100%”

    CCZ, don’t typical endorsement deal contracts include morals clauses anymore, or is that now passe? Murder threats OK with Dunkin’ & Beyond Meat? I guess if their stocks don’t take a hit, its all chill.

    I’m sure Martha’s still down, as she and Snoop share a common disdain for the justice system.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    Probably should have said MY Dunkin' boycott is 100%, but, with this, maybe others will boycott too!! "Glazzzed for Days" the new phrase for a "weed" high?? Maybe Dunkin' will offer "weed" filled donuts in marijuana legal states.

    The Beyond Collection by Dunkin’ x Snoop:

    Dunkin’ and Snoop have also collaborated on a limited-edition online pop-up shop that will debut later this month. The Beyond Collection by Dunkin’ x Snoop will offer exclusive apparel such as a green tracksuit – inspired by Snoop’s outfit in the Dunkin’ ad – emblazoned with the words “Glazzzed for Days” on the back, joggers featuring Dunkin’ and Beyond icons and the word “Glazzzzy” down the leg; as well as a bomber jacket, sweatshirt, t-shirts and a beanie.
  78. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.
     
    Well, that gives new meaning to the term "stool pigeon".

    Not that pigeons tweet, they coo-- which Bill replaced with better living through chemistry.

    But they are responsible for a lot of stool:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY

    Pigeons are filthy, foul flying rats and should be culled by any means necessary. Falconry is elegant, but too much work. Shooting with air rifles is excellent sport and environmentally conscious.

    The problem with public pigeon poisoning is that if a humane fast poison is used, you will be caught and they will charge you with something, usually animal cruelty. It offends people and so they will bust you to pander to the misguided animal crowd. A slow poison will let them fly off and die, but they will suffer and worse, animals who eat the dead pigeons will suffer and die.

    The best solution was ingenious and I saw it deployed at a rail yard once. A special rope wound with alternating conductive and dielectric strands was suspended where birds en masse would roost on it. Each bird having two legs, it would be in contact with two separate conductors. When a lot of birds of the undesirable species were on the line, a big oil filled capacitor was discharged across the conductors and most of the birds were instantly and humanely killed. They’d all fall over and hit the ground, and the contractor would dash out and sweep them up.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It offends people and so they will bust you to pander to the misguided animal crowd.
     
    Lehrer wrote the song after learning that the Fish and Wildlife Service was poisoning in the parks of Boston. This was in the early 1950s, a very different time.

    Lehrer claims to have invented the Jello shot while working at the NSA (shh! which didn't exist yet) to circumvent a liquor ban. We can celebrate him for that. Even if he wasn't the first, it would have been someone with his turn of mind.
  79. And yet goodthinkers have always insisted that the death penalty is not an effective crime deterrent.

  80. @Laurence Whelk
    Why does Bill Cosby have a Twitter account? Or access to a device to tweet from? What the hell?

    Apparently raping drugged women does not violate Twitter’s terms of service.

    It’s anarchotyranny online. Anarchotyranny: one of the best coinages of the last fifty years. Helps you wrap your mind around so much that otherwise makes no sense.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    Anarcho tyranny exists in our weird atomised plutocracy that we call America....even the criminal justice system & our prisons are decentralized....
  81. Seems silly. They beat him with a bat and stabbed him with a knife? If anyone tried to do that to a sensible, prepared man the attacker would very likely be shot dead before coming close enough to effect his evil intent.

    Oh, never mind: I see the victim was in New York, a place long since made safe from people like him who might otherwise kill their would-be murderers with the demonic, dark magick of firearms.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    "Oh, never mind: I see the victim was in New York, a place long since made safe from people like him who might otherwise kill their would-be murderers with the demonic, dark magick of firearms."

    I suspect that the rise of organized crime in NYC was abetted by the gun bans that were instituted early on. OC didn't have nearly as spectacular a rise in places where citizen disarmament didn't exist. I picture a relatively small gang of criminals trying to enforce a protection racket in a city where citizens were armed and could simply respond to a demand for "protection" by showing their own firearm and telling the gangster to take a hike.

    That gang would have to resort to attempting an armed robbery to get cash from a store owner.
  82. @Bragadocious

    I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.

     

    Well it's a moot point in NY and Cali since neither state will ever execute another prisoner. Might as well be in England.

    It's interesting how the states with the biggest gang problems are also the states that have scuttled the death penalty as a deterrent. I don't see MS-13 raising too much hell in Texas.

    “Well it’s a moot point in NY and Cali since neither state will ever execute another prisoner.”

    Bragadocious, I’d bet you’re right. Trump in his event this morning made a point of “slamming” both New York & California for their general degeneracy. Good move on his part, as both states are lost to him, and are more and more becoming disdained by the rest of the Country; certainly to a significant part of his base.

    I started watching Trump’s Senate impeachment acquittal presentation this morning and turned it off after a minute in. Seemed he might start going off the rails, and I didn’t feel up to wincing; particularly on the heels of his great performance in the SOTU address. Thought about it a bit, “girded” myself, ready to feel a little queasy, and turned the set back on. Glad I did, in his singular Trumpian 1/2D chess fashion he pulled it off once again. Harsh, disjointed, humorous, even a slight bit touching; for me it just plain worked:

  83. @danand

    "Dunkin’ boycott is 100%"
     
    CCZ, don't typical endorsement deal contracts include morals clauses anymore, or is that now passe? Murder threats OK with Dunkin' & Beyond Meat? I guess if their stocks don't take a hit, its all chill.

    I'm sure Martha's still down, as she and Snoop share a common disdain for the justice system.

    https://youtu.be/Y4F7f-i52-Y

    Probably should have said MY Dunkin’ boycott is 100%, but, with this, maybe others will boycott too!! “Glazzzed for Days” the new phrase for a “weed” high?? Maybe Dunkin’ will offer “weed” filled donuts in marijuana legal states.

    The Beyond Collection by Dunkin’ x Snoop:

    Dunkin’ and Snoop have also collaborated on a limited-edition online pop-up shop that will debut later this month. The Beyond Collection by Dunkin’ x Snoop will offer exclusive apparel such as a green tracksuit – inspired by Snoop’s outfit in the Dunkin’ ad – emblazoned with the words “Glazzzed for Days” on the back, joggers featuring Dunkin’ and Beyond icons and the word “Glazzzzy” down the leg; as well as a bomber jacket, sweatshirt, t-shirts and a beanie.

    • Replies: @danand

    “Maybe Dunkin’ will offer “weed” filled donuts in marijuana legal states.”
     
    CCZ, I wager you’re on the money there.

    Gail King has gone MIA from her morning show, could be she’s entered Witnesses Protection. Now that Snoop has raised his profile/reestablished his street cred, I’d guess the endorsement deals will really start rolling in, or more fitting for him, rolling up?
  84. @donut
    "First let's kill all the lawyers" . This guy witnessed a crime in 2018 he gets murdered two years later waiting for the thing to come to trial . What was going on all that time ? When I think of "the criminal justice system" I imagine one of those black smoking tubes at the bottom of the ocean with all those thousands of weird life forms clustered around them feeding on what's coming out of the tube and each other in the pitch black depths of the ocean . Is everything broken ?

    Yes; the courts (criminal and otherwise) in the F.U.S.A. are irremediably shit.

    However, you’ve completely misunderstood the context and therefore the point of Shakespeare’s famous quip: the character speaking it is a blackguard with nefarious intentions – killing all the lawyers will prevent their invoking the rule of law to put a stop to his evil shenanigans. Don’t worry: you are in popular, if not good, company – those who have actual familiarity with Henry VI are few and far between.

    • Replies: @donut
    Yeah , I knew the context of the quote . I should have left the quotation marks out . I was lazy and counted on those who have actual familiarity with Henry VI being few and far between. I really should have known better on Steve's thing .
  85. Well, wasn’t the whole point of these criminal justice “reforms” to aid and abet criminals of color?

    In 1994, George Pataki campaigned in part for the NY governorship on the promise to bring back the death penalty. Once elected, the state legislature passed a DP bill, and Pataki duly signed it into law.

    Liberal Judith Kaye, Chief Justice of the New York State Court of Appeals, immediately repealed the law, asserting that it violated the NY state constitution.

    NYC’s Republican daily, the NY Post, which had supported the reinstatement of the DP, until it didn’t, immediately editorialized, to the effect, “We knew it all along.”

    Kaye gave no credible argument for the unconstitutionality of the DP, because she couldn’t. It was merely her personal, political preference.

    Pataki made no effort to either appeal over Kaye to the federal bench, or seek to impeach her. He just forgot about the whole matter, suggesting to me that he had only cynically campaigned on it for the sake of winning office. In likewise dropping the matter, the Post proved to be as cynically Republican as Pataki.

    Pataki had initially run as a conservative Republican, but by the end of his third term, was to the left of the man he had unseated, Mario Cuomo.

  86. @J.Ross
    How are the elites going to impose or enforce anything once we're Guatemala? Why don't they see this guaranteeing violence?

    They’re in their gated communities….the neck do they care what the masses do?

    Anyway, Steve I’m not necessarily against capital punishment based on the offense BUT I don’t think it’s as much a deterrant as some say….”bangers gonna bang and thugs gonna thug…” Or “can take the thug from the hood but not the hood from the thug….”

    These ppl simply put are gonna do what they’re gonna do regardless of what white lawmakers and criminal justice people think.

    Some may call this bigoted but I dont think theres as large an element of choice in the scenario as some in the criminal justice system would claim….

    • Replies: @International Jew

    Anyway, Steve I’m not necessarily against capital punishment based on the offense BUT I don’t think it’s as much a deterrant as some say….”bangers gonna bang and thugs gonna thug…” Or “can take the thug from the hood but not the hood from the thug….”
     
    The effectiveness of "snitches get stitches" (or to put it more plainly, "get beaten to death") suggests that capital punishment is actually a very effective deterrent. Or it could be, if it were meted out more promptly.
  87. @International Jew
    It's anarchotyranny online. Anarchotyranny: one of the best coinages of the last fifty years. Helps you wrap your mind around so much that otherwise makes no sense.

    Anarcho tyranny exists in our weird atomised plutocracy that we call America….even the criminal justice system & our prisons are decentralized….

  88. @Bragadocious

    I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.

     

    Well it's a moot point in NY and Cali since neither state will ever execute another prisoner. Might as well be in England.

    It's interesting how the states with the biggest gang problems are also the states that have scuttled the death penalty as a deterrent. I don't see MS-13 raising too much hell in Texas.

    Hey, how about we speak of the California state government as “the Cali Cartel”? I can’t think of an alliterative phrase for NYC.

    We could call the New York City council the “NY Soviet,” since “Soviet” translates as “council,” as in “council republic” (Räterepublik).

  89. One wonders what the response would be if organized and disorganized crime started targeting cops, DAs, and judges. How long before Martial Law?

    But witnesses? They’re a chink in the armor, because who has time, money, or inclination to protect them? They’re not part of the In Crowd.

    By the way, if memory serves the Wire depicted a white dude getting elected mayor of Baltimore on the back of scandal surrounding an apparent witness murder. Turns out the witness was killed by a stray bullet fired in target practice. But by the time that was discovered no one was as interested.

  90. @Laurence Whelk
    Why does Bill Cosby have a Twitter account? Or access to a device to tweet from? What the hell?

    Apparently raping drugged women does not violate Twitter’s terms of service.

    He didn’t rape anyone ON Twitter, so…I guess they don’t care.

    Unless he’s a true monster like Alex Jones.

  91. @Twodees Partain
    "I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering."

    The death penalty for murder works as a deterrent in that it does indeed deter a murderer from murdering again. I don't think that government at any level should have a monopoly on killing murderers. Gangs like MS13 thrive because people who become their victims are prohibited from carrying weapons and using them in retaliation for murder.

    “I don’t think that government at any level should have a monopoly on killing murderers.”

    Then you have to allow for civilians taking the law into their own hands.

    The idea that the government should have a monopoly on killing murderers was to stem the anarchy of every man being a law unto himself. If the government will not exact vengeance on victims’ behalf, it is in league with cut-throats, and thus illegitimate.

    The Association in Support of Cut-Throats of Color takes the notion of no man being a law unto himself for granted, but without telling people how that came about, so that they won’t draw logical conclusions about a political power that denies all redress to the victims of violent crime.

    Now, they speak of “restorative justice,” which is an oxymoronic, racist code phrase for, “black and Hispanic cut-throats are the real victims.”

    No vengeance, no justice.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    "Then you have to allow for civilians taking the law into their own hands."

    You're using the government's own euphemism for a citizen's natural right to self defense and retaliation. Why should police be the sole possessors of that right?

    "The idea that the government should have a monopoly on killing murderers was to stem the anarchy of every man being a law unto himself. "

    That is a misuse of the word "anarchy". Substitute "chaos" and you would be closer to the meaning you're applying.

    " If the government will not exact vengeance on victims’ behalf, it is in league with cut-throats, and thus illegitimate."

    That is the logical result of giving government the monopoly on violence.

    "The Association in Support of Cut-Throats of Color takes the notion of no man being a law unto himself for granted, but without telling people how that came about, so that they won’t draw logical conclusions about a political power that denies all redress to the victims of violent crime.

    Now, they speak of “restorative justice,” which is an oxymoronic, racist code phrase for, “black and Hispanic cut-throats are the real victims.”

    No vengeance, no justice."

    I agree completely with that conclusion, though my view is that a free man is indeed a law unto himself in regard to self defense. As to retaliation, in past centuries a valid defense for a retaliatory killing was that a man had a natural right to kill someone who has murdered a family member and has not been held to account by authorities.
    , @Joe Stalin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WywM0pgnlQM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhy9--YRBD8
    , @David In TN
    The Libertarian Randian Supermen are against the "government" trying anybody. I once read a piece by one of this crowd in which he wrote that murderers should be required to make financial "restitution."

    I forgot his name.
  92. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, in the calculus of jurisprudence/criminality, witness murder is an eminently rational – if not ruthless – thing to do. On a purely rational ‘balance of weighted probabilities and outcomes’ tree style analysis, the risk of capture in a witness killing compared to the probability of conviction in the initial case due to witness testimony, is markedly lower, hence the reward for the ‘payoff’ due to killing the witness is a good game theory choice.

    – An interesting line of thought and analysis which might well explain the evolution and development of warfare, armies, tribalism, civic states etc.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The increased third-worldization of the USA - culminating, of course, with a third world population dominated and ruled USA - poses many interesting questions in respect of societal norms and civics.

    Currently we see the recapitulation or atavism of 'witness murder' style behavior, as it is practised in third world homelands, inevitably in the distant unknown future, more extreme patterns will manifest.
    Possibly, the future dystopia will include 'extreme' acts of ruthlessness and cunning as a matter of course. Murder for the 'procurement' of transplant organs could possibly occur. In an extreme dystopia, it is possibly that, on American soil, murder for the sake of consumption of human flesh 'on the hoof', might become a commonplace. This would be the ultimate atavism and recapitulation of the customs and habits of the ancestral populations of many of the 'diverse' peoples of the future 'enriched' USA.
  93. Doesn’t really need repeating here, but to quote that hackneyed old saw:

    “If you import the Third World – you become the Third World”.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  94. @Lugash
    Anyone remember when Snoop was charged with first degree murder? Or Mike Tyson being convicted of rape? Both got dropped into the Memory Hole.

    I wouldn’t say memory-holed, though maybe younger generations aren’t aware. I certainly remember, and despite the fact that they find corporate backing, probably most people look at “Snoop” and Iron Mike and easily think “criminal.”

    Snoop’s trial was never so big as I thought it would be. Like one one-hundredth of an O.J. But Boomers didn’t know who he was. Everyone knew Mike, but there was much less intrigue. Just look at/listen to him. We all know what he is.

  95. @J.Ross
    What's in the box?
    https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1225480460979056642

    Well, quarantines aren’t pretty to watch but effective. There’s no way a virus epidemic can possibly be contained in the Western world with pragmatic means. Which means we’re done when a severe epidemic strikes in the West. Nobody here has the balls nor the means to enforce a quarantine.

  96. As recently as the early 1960s, the British judicial system typically had a time interval of around six months between the arrest of a murderer, his trial, his appeals, and his eventual execution.

    The Victorians typically got it down to a month or two.

  97. @Hypnotoad666
    IDK, I may have to be contrarian on this one. Isn't learning the identity of prosecution witnesses part of the constitutional right to confront one's accuser and mount a defense?

    After all, a witness could have ulterior motives or be proven to be unreliable or mistaken. You eventually have to allow cross examination at trial so they can't stay secret forever anyway.

    I frankly thought most state prosecutors were already required to turn over the facts and witness identities as part of pretrial discovery. So this doesn't really seem like a totally new thing.

    So how do you protect a key witness when they will have to testify against a super-dangerous gang member or mob boss? Man, I don't know. Short of putting everyone in witness protection it's a b*tch of a problem.

    But I don't think you can have a system that convicts people with secret testimony either.

    Under the old law, the names of witnesses were turned over to the defense on “the eve of the trial.” Less time to arrange a hit, less time that the state might need to guard them.

    That seems like too little time. How is the defense supposed to investigate a witness during a trial?

    Now I believe witness names are to be turned over within 15 days. The judge can order they be shared with the defense team only and not the defendant.

  98. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Of course, in the calculus of jurisprudence/criminality, witness murder is an eminently rational - if not ruthless - thing to do. On a purely rational 'balance of weighted probabilities and outcomes' tree style analysis, the risk of capture in a witness killing compared to the probability of conviction in the initial case due to witness testimony, is markedly lower, hence the reward for the 'payoff' due to killing the witness is a good game theory choice.

    - An interesting line of thought and analysis which might well explain the evolution and development of warfare, armies, tribalism, civic states etc.

    The increased third-worldization of the USA – culminating, of course, with a third world population dominated and ruled USA – poses many interesting questions in respect of societal norms and civics.

    Currently we see the recapitulation or atavism of ‘witness murder’ style behavior, as it is practised in third world homelands, inevitably in the distant unknown future, more extreme patterns will manifest.
    Possibly, the future dystopia will include ‘extreme’ acts of ruthlessness and cunning as a matter of course. Murder for the ‘procurement’ of transplant organs could possibly occur. In an extreme dystopia, it is possibly that, on American soil, murder for the sake of consumption of human flesh ‘on the hoof’, might become a commonplace. This would be the ultimate atavism and recapitulation of the customs and habits of the ancestral populations of many of the ‘diverse’ peoples of the future ‘enriched’ USA.

    • Replies: @Autochthon

    Smegma Crazies, to the left! To the gate! Gayboy Berzerkers to the gate!
     
  99. @Neoconned
    They're in their gated communities....the neck do they care what the masses do?

    Anyway, Steve I'm not necessarily against capital punishment based on the offense BUT I don't think it's as much a deterrant as some say...."bangers gonna bang and thugs gonna thug..." Or "can take the thug from the hood but not the hood from the thug...."

    These ppl simply put are gonna do what they're gonna do regardless of what white lawmakers and criminal justice people think.

    Some may call this bigoted but I dont think theres as large an element of choice in the scenario as some in the criminal justice system would claim....

    Anyway, Steve I’m not necessarily against capital punishment based on the offense BUT I don’t think it’s as much a deterrant as some say….”bangers gonna bang and thugs gonna thug…” Or “can take the thug from the hood but not the hood from the thug….”

    The effectiveness of “snitches get stitches” (or to put it more plainly, “get beaten to death”) suggests that capital punishment is actually a very effective deterrent. Or it could be, if it were meted out more promptly.

    • Agree: bomag
  100. @Lot
    Time to get out then.

    You must have made enough to retire outside of NYC just on the appreciation of your apartment.

    I don’t really see a return to 1970s-90s violence and property values. But a partial return and a Mayor AOC/President Bernie would not be good for NYC’s economy or property owners.

    And what Dem in NYC is more popular?

    The creeps are much more feral now than they were forty years ago. I’d say it could get very much worse, very quickly indeed.

  101. @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.
     
    Actually, although I doubt if it would be much of a deterrrent, it might be a good idea to have it for any kind of gang-related crime of violence, because nearly all the violent crimes including numerous stabbings and murders committed inside prisons are gang-related, so it would make prisons much easier to run and save taxpayer money.

    However it would have to be implemented immediately after conviction so that you did not have death rows full of gangsters.

    The problem with the death penalty is that it is hardly ever implemented promptly.

    Give them, say, a year and a day from the date of conviction to appeal as much as they like, then execute and let any further appeals continue posthumously if their heirs desire and are willing to pay for it.

    Having worked in prisons for a large part of my life, your “all the violent crimes including numerous stabbings and murders committed inside prisons are gang-related” is factual, but not truthful to quote Michael Malice.

    When you are in anything above county/city jails, you are automatically in a gang. You have no options to opt out of that unless you go into special housing, and there too, you will most likely be in a gang. Or, in other words, 99% of the prison population is in a gang. So sure, most murders in prison have a gang element to them, but most have nothing to do with what we think of as gang violence outside of prison. For one, gangs almost never attack each other. So MS13/eMe would never go after a white or black person. That would automatically start a riot. Likewise no black or white gang would go after someone of a different race without starting a riot and putting the whole prison on a months long lockdown.

    Almost all killings in prison are due to drug debts within the gang itself or someone having bad papers (sex/child crimes). The bad papers violence is always handled within your own race and is again, not really gang related in the way we think of gang crime. The remaining violence ends up being random things that are not really to do with the gang.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    Wow sir, you speak with frightening authority.
  102. @Desiderius
    Come back to the Queen City. Love to have you.

    The Midwest has been sending all our hipster dorks to Brooklyn as part of a nefarious plan to smoke out NY's best in hopes that some will choose to migrate here and replenish our City Slicker supply.

    Thanks. Visiting my mother there in early March. Maybe I should just stay?

  103. @Lot
    Time to get out then.

    You must have made enough to retire outside of NYC just on the appreciation of your apartment.

    I don’t really see a return to 1970s-90s violence and property values. But a partial return and a Mayor AOC/President Bernie would not be good for NYC’s economy or property owners.

    And what Dem in NYC is more popular?

    Yeah, but the kids have like three years to go to finish school where they are, and I don’t relish the thought of ruining that. Plus my wife and I really, really hate having to drive everywhere. But I’ve certainly considered bailing out…

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Always darkest before the dawn. Reagan carried New York in '84, and Bloomberg himself kept the city (too?) family friendly. My brother loved it (especially the not driving) before heading out to LA. I wouldn't bail without a very pressing specific reason - kids don't need to be uprooted needlessly.
  104. @Buzz Mohawk
    You would be a welcome addition to Fairfield County. Seriously consider it. I've asked you before why you stay in the city. I seldom need to go anymore, and I rarely do, but you could still go in from here for any of the cultural and entertainment features you have said you care about there.

    It used to impress me, but after years of travel, New York City just seems to me like a dirty, overrated mess full of self-satisfied people smelling their own farts. I like it now about as much as I like Chuck Schumer, and it seems certain to get worse. Then again, Connecticut might not be far behind. The difference is, we have room and a hundred modest-sized towns separated by trees.

    Well, thank you. With apologies to Mr McKenna (see his reply to yours), I think Litchfield Co. would be a more likely destination as we already have a house there. It’s the only one of CT’s eight counties to have voted for Trump, despite all the snooty transplants, and it feels like actual New England–for better and worse.

    I’d still have to figure out a way not to have to drive everywhere though.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    Uber.
  105. @Hypnotoad666
    IDK, I may have to be contrarian on this one. Isn't learning the identity of prosecution witnesses part of the constitutional right to confront one's accuser and mount a defense?

    After all, a witness could have ulterior motives or be proven to be unreliable or mistaken. You eventually have to allow cross examination at trial so they can't stay secret forever anyway.

    I frankly thought most state prosecutors were already required to turn over the facts and witness identities as part of pretrial discovery. So this doesn't really seem like a totally new thing.

    So how do you protect a key witness when they will have to testify against a super-dangerous gang member or mob boss? Man, I don't know. Short of putting everyone in witness protection it's a b*tch of a problem.

    But I don't think you can have a system that convicts people with secret testimony either.

    Correct. The problem here isn’t America’s constitution or the centuries old English common law right to confront your accusers. It’s the presence of people in this country who can’t be governed by democracy and American traditions.

  106. @Reg Cæsar
    They could simply have but his lips into inaction and told him to put some ice on that.

    Wilmer Maldonado
     
    You've got to be pretty low-class to think Wilmer is a high-class name. Even in Central America.

    It peaked in the US in 1915, and left the top 1000 in 1967, 16 years before this Wilmer was born.

    There’s a line of jokes in Mexico mocking “the Bryans” and other people with characteristically “Anglo” names. Basically, a lot of lower class people in Mexico decided to give their kids Anglo names, because they are associated with the U.S. and hence were seen as more upper class. This, of course, backfired, and now those names are associated with people who will try to snatch your cellphone out of your hands on the street. Upper class Mexicans tend to favor very old-fashion Spanish names like “Agustin.”

  107. @Autochthon
    Seems silly. They beat him with a bat and stabbed him with a knife? If anyone tried to do that to a sensible, prepared man the attacker would very likely be shot dead before coming close enough to effect his evil intent.

    Oh, never mind: I see the victim was in New York, a place long since made safe from people like him who might otherwise kill their would-be murderers with the demonic, dark magick of firearms.

    “Oh, never mind: I see the victim was in New York, a place long since made safe from people like him who might otherwise kill their would-be murderers with the demonic, dark magick of firearms.”

    I suspect that the rise of organized crime in NYC was abetted by the gun bans that were instituted early on. OC didn’t have nearly as spectacular a rise in places where citizen disarmament didn’t exist. I picture a relatively small gang of criminals trying to enforce a protection racket in a city where citizens were armed and could simply respond to a demand for “protection” by showing their own firearm and telling the gangster to take a hike.

    That gang would have to resort to attempting an armed robbery to get cash from a store owner.

  108. @Nicholas Stix
    "I don’t think that government at any level should have a monopoly on killing murderers."

    Then you have to allow for civilians taking the law into their own hands.

    The idea that the government should have a monopoly on killing murderers was to stem the anarchy of every man being a law unto himself. If the government will not exact vengeance on victims' behalf, it is in league with cut-throats, and thus illegitimate.

    The Association in Support of Cut-Throats of Color takes the notion of no man being a law unto himself for granted, but without telling people how that came about, so that they won't draw logical conclusions about a political power that denies all redress to the victims of violent crime.

    Now, they speak of "restorative justice," which is an oxymoronic, racist code phrase for, "black and Hispanic cut-throats are the real victims."

    No vengeance, no justice.

    “Then you have to allow for civilians taking the law into their own hands.”

    You’re using the government’s own euphemism for a citizen’s natural right to self defense and retaliation. Why should police be the sole possessors of that right?

    “The idea that the government should have a monopoly on killing murderers was to stem the anarchy of every man being a law unto himself. ”

    That is a misuse of the word “anarchy”. Substitute “chaos” and you would be closer to the meaning you’re applying.

    ” If the government will not exact vengeance on victims’ behalf, it is in league with cut-throats, and thus illegitimate.”

    That is the logical result of giving government the monopoly on violence.

    “The Association in Support of Cut-Throats of Color takes the notion of no man being a law unto himself for granted, but without telling people how that came about, so that they won’t draw logical conclusions about a political power that denies all redress to the victims of violent crime.

    Now, they speak of “restorative justice,” which is an oxymoronic, racist code phrase for, “black and Hispanic cut-throats are the real victims.”

    No vengeance, no justice.”

    I agree completely with that conclusion, though my view is that a free man is indeed a law unto himself in regard to self defense. As to retaliation, in past centuries a valid defense for a retaliatory killing was that a man had a natural right to kill someone who has murdered a family member and has not been held to account by authorities.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  109. @Hypnotoad666
    IDK, I may have to be contrarian on this one. Isn't learning the identity of prosecution witnesses part of the constitutional right to confront one's accuser and mount a defense?

    After all, a witness could have ulterior motives or be proven to be unreliable or mistaken. You eventually have to allow cross examination at trial so they can't stay secret forever anyway.

    I frankly thought most state prosecutors were already required to turn over the facts and witness identities as part of pretrial discovery. So this doesn't really seem like a totally new thing.

    So how do you protect a key witness when they will have to testify against a super-dangerous gang member or mob boss? Man, I don't know. Short of putting everyone in witness protection it's a b*tch of a problem.

    But I don't think you can have a system that convicts people with secret testimony either.

    So how do you protect a key witness when they will have to testify against a super-dangerous gang member or mob boss?

    Reminds us again that society functions with unwritten agreements and codes.

    Importing people with different codes; and little intention of following extant codes; is a problem.

    • Agree: Forbes
  110. @Reg Cæsar

    I think we need a travel ban on the Central American nations allowing “caravans.”
     
    That's a disturbing way to put it-- you want those countries to erect Berlin Walls? Or are you referring to the countries that allow the caravans to pass through?

    That would be mostly Mexico. Now there's a way to suppress the reconquista.

    I think what means by a ‘travel ban’ is that NO ONE from those countries is allowed in the United States…pull all travel, business, student, and diplomatic visas.

    As a consequence, you watch, those countries would viciously crack down on the caravans. I can’t speak for , but I wouldn’t care how they did it.

    Also keep in mind that the speed by which the caravans cease will be directly proportional to the viciousness of the methods used to crack down on them.

  111. @Adam Smith
    I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved for prosecutors and judges who incarcerate innocent people.

    Now, there’s a thought. Add to that politicians who propose laws that violate the constitutional prohibition of such legislation.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    Cheers to your health kind sir.
    I warmly accept your thoughtful proposition.
    I'm pleased we are in accord.

    Happy Snow Day!
  112. @J.Ross
    How are the elites going to impose or enforce anything once we're Guatemala? Why don't they see this guaranteeing violence?

    They do see it promotes violence – but they do not care that that means violence by non0whites against non-whites, and they like the non-white violence against non-Elite whites because that keeps the non-Elite whites down.

    It is a win-win for the Elites of the Anglo-Zionist Empire.

  113. @Reg Cæsar

    Come back to the Queen City. Love to have you.
     
    Provincetown? Key West? West Hollywood?




    There are an awful lot of "Queen Cities" in our republic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_City

    I assume you meant Cincinnati. Is the Cincinnati Rifle Union still in business?

    Not to my knowledge. What is/was it?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    They were a pro-labor group that sent 200 men to march with rifles in a Chicago protest after the Haymarket riots. They were still around well into the 20th century, and were allied with one of the socialist parties.

    I can't find much else about them, but they are not to be confused with the Cincinnati revolt at that other rifle organization!
  114. @slumber_j
    Yeah, but the kids have like three years to go to finish school where they are, and I don't relish the thought of ruining that. Plus my wife and I really, really hate having to drive everywhere. But I've certainly considered bailing out...

    Always darkest before the dawn. Reagan carried New York in ’84, and Bloomberg himself kept the city (too?) family friendly. My brother loved it (especially the not driving) before heading out to LA. I wouldn’t bail without a very pressing specific reason – kids don’t need to be uprooted needlessly.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Always darkest before the dawn. Reagan carried New York in ’84
     
    Reagan carried New York in 1980. He may owe this to the late Liberal Party. The state refused to list John Anderson as an independent. But the LP-- Rudy's in-laws-- were sick of Carter, whom they had endorsed in 1976, and swooped in to the rescue. (The L.P. fit somewhere between the two major parties, and New York is the rare state where you can run on more than one party's line.)

    Reagan carried every state in New England except Rhode Island twice. New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware, too. He carried Honolulu County (Oahu) in 1980, while losing the rest of the state. Must have been all the sailors and airmen.
  115. @Anonymous
    The increased third-worldization of the USA - culminating, of course, with a third world population dominated and ruled USA - poses many interesting questions in respect of societal norms and civics.

    Currently we see the recapitulation or atavism of 'witness murder' style behavior, as it is practised in third world homelands, inevitably in the distant unknown future, more extreme patterns will manifest.
    Possibly, the future dystopia will include 'extreme' acts of ruthlessness and cunning as a matter of course. Murder for the 'procurement' of transplant organs could possibly occur. In an extreme dystopia, it is possibly that, on American soil, murder for the sake of consumption of human flesh 'on the hoof', might become a commonplace. This would be the ultimate atavism and recapitulation of the customs and habits of the ancestral populations of many of the 'diverse' peoples of the future 'enriched' USA.

    Smegma Crazies, to the left! To the gate! Gayboy Berzerkers to the gate!

  116. “I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.”

    Did the murders know why the victim was chosen? Probably the murders were either homeless or living in flophouses.

    State Democrats rip Nassau officials for ‘blatantly lying’ about MS-13 witness death
    https://nypost.com/2020/02/06/state-democrats-rip-nassau-officials-for-blatantly-lying-about-ms-13-witness-death/

  117. Does this law allow naming witnesses if they are whistleblowers. Witness an assault or murder and get your name released. Hear about a second hand phone call and even a Senator will be censored saying your name.

  118. I agree with several posters who said explicitly, and likely more for whom it goes without saying. The solution is not eliminating traditional rights, the solution is eliminating alien populations in our midst. Let El Salvador come up with a way of handling MS-13. They should not be our problem. They should not have a sea of similar looking aliens in which to swim.

  119. @Nicholas Stix
    "I don’t think that government at any level should have a monopoly on killing murderers."

    Then you have to allow for civilians taking the law into their own hands.

    The idea that the government should have a monopoly on killing murderers was to stem the anarchy of every man being a law unto himself. If the government will not exact vengeance on victims' behalf, it is in league with cut-throats, and thus illegitimate.

    The Association in Support of Cut-Throats of Color takes the notion of no man being a law unto himself for granted, but without telling people how that came about, so that they won't draw logical conclusions about a political power that denies all redress to the victims of violent crime.

    Now, they speak of "restorative justice," which is an oxymoronic, racist code phrase for, "black and Hispanic cut-throats are the real victims."

    No vengeance, no justice.

  120. @J.Ross
    >gangs will use self-defense and second amendment
    There are several things preventing this from happening now, all of which would probably apply in the scenario:
    Felons can't carry (and punitively restricting gun rights is a pretty normal target in dealing with gangs).
    Gangs are usually stupid teenagers, diving into both violence and prison because of their youthful thoightlessness. They will want to be able to say that they drew first.
    However, shouldn't they be able to defend themselves if they need to?

    “Felons can’t carry (and punitively restricting gun rights is a pretty normal target in dealing with gangs).”

    In the People’s Republic of Illinois, it was illegal to carry an automatic switchblade knife.

    But with the signature of the Governor, switchblades are now LEGAL to carry once you get an IL FOID card.

    https://newschannel20.com/news/local/you-can-now-carry-this-deadly-weapon-in-illinois

    So any normal law-abiding citizen can now carry a DEADLY WEAPON with a $10 FOID.

  121. Everyone skipped the fact that a single legal system cannot coexist with diversity, or if not diversity (since there are plenty of newcomers who fit in fine) then one problem group of dedicated absimilationists. Almost all of our legal system at school and on the ground, the energy, time, resources, discussion, complaint, education, post-education “here’s how it really works” talks, reforms, hacks, habits, and tricks of our legal system at every level, the whole thing is consumed by pretending that blacks are Americans. You cannot be part of a proposition nation by accident of geography. This effortful foolishness is quite logically spawning a second wind of ungrateful hostile absimilationism, heralded by the 1619 project.

  122. @CCZ
    Probably should have said MY Dunkin' boycott is 100%, but, with this, maybe others will boycott too!! "Glazzzed for Days" the new phrase for a "weed" high?? Maybe Dunkin' will offer "weed" filled donuts in marijuana legal states.

    The Beyond Collection by Dunkin’ x Snoop:

    Dunkin’ and Snoop have also collaborated on a limited-edition online pop-up shop that will debut later this month. The Beyond Collection by Dunkin’ x Snoop will offer exclusive apparel such as a green tracksuit – inspired by Snoop’s outfit in the Dunkin’ ad – emblazoned with the words “Glazzzed for Days” on the back, joggers featuring Dunkin’ and Beyond icons and the word “Glazzzzy” down the leg; as well as a bomber jacket, sweatshirt, t-shirts and a beanie.

    “Maybe Dunkin’ will offer “weed” filled donuts in marijuana legal states.”

    CCZ, I wager you’re on the money there.

    Gail King has gone MIA from her morning show, could be she’s entered Witnesses Protection. Now that Snoop has raised his profile/reestablished his street cred, I’d guess the endorsement deals will really start rolling in, or more fitting for him, rolling up?

  123. @Desiderius
    Not to my knowledge. What is/was it?

    They were a pro-labor group that sent 200 men to march with rifles in a Chicago protest after the Haymarket riots. They were still around well into the 20th century, and were allied with one of the socialist parties.

    I can’t find much else about them, but they are not to be confused with the Cincinnati revolt at that other rifle organization!

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    My great-great grandfather spent some time in the Federal Pen for that kind of thing near Matewan. You still see the odd Hammer and Sickle billboard here so something like that is probably still around somewhere if that's your thing. Labor relations were famously contentious at both GE Aircraft Engines (Cincy) and Appliances (Louisville) along the Ohio but I get the sense that that has all died down these days.
  124. @Laurence Whelk
    Why does Bill Cosby have a Twitter account? Or access to a device to tweet from? What the hell?

    Apparently raping drugged women does not violate Twitter’s terms of service.

    He needed that account to remind everyone (from prison) last Father’s Day that he’s still “America’s Dad.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bill-cosby-says-he-still-america-s-dad-father-day-n1018151

  125. @Desiderius
    Always darkest before the dawn. Reagan carried New York in '84, and Bloomberg himself kept the city (too?) family friendly. My brother loved it (especially the not driving) before heading out to LA. I wouldn't bail without a very pressing specific reason - kids don't need to be uprooted needlessly.

    Always darkest before the dawn. Reagan carried New York in ’84

    Reagan carried New York in 1980. He may owe this to the late Liberal Party. The state refused to list John Anderson as an independent. But the LP– Rudy’s in-laws– were sick of Carter, whom they had endorsed in 1976, and swooped in to the rescue. (The L.P. fit somewhere between the two major parties, and New York is the rare state where you can run on more than one party’s line.)

    Reagan carried every state in New England except Rhode Island twice. New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware, too. He carried Honolulu County (Oahu) in 1980, while losing the rest of the state. Must have been all the sailors and airmen.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    We were Anderson voters. Then my folks fell in with a bad crowd when they discovered the interwebs after I warned them not to. Kids these days.

    Similar situation:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1225466513588719618.html

    Marshall's a colossal dickwad and always has been but chicks dig jerks I guess.
  126. @Reg Cæsar
    They were a pro-labor group that sent 200 men to march with rifles in a Chicago protest after the Haymarket riots. They were still around well into the 20th century, and were allied with one of the socialist parties.

    I can't find much else about them, but they are not to be confused with the Cincinnati revolt at that other rifle organization!

    My great-great grandfather spent some time in the Federal Pen for that kind of thing near Matewan. You still see the odd Hammer and Sickle billboard here so something like that is probably still around somewhere if that’s your thing. Labor relations were famously contentious at both GE Aircraft Engines (Cincy) and Appliances (Louisville) along the Ohio but I get the sense that that has all died down these days.

  127. @Reg Cæsar

    Always darkest before the dawn. Reagan carried New York in ’84
     
    Reagan carried New York in 1980. He may owe this to the late Liberal Party. The state refused to list John Anderson as an independent. But the LP-- Rudy's in-laws-- were sick of Carter, whom they had endorsed in 1976, and swooped in to the rescue. (The L.P. fit somewhere between the two major parties, and New York is the rare state where you can run on more than one party's line.)

    Reagan carried every state in New England except Rhode Island twice. New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware, too. He carried Honolulu County (Oahu) in 1980, while losing the rest of the state. Must have been all the sailors and airmen.

    We were Anderson voters. Then my folks fell in with a bad crowd when they discovered the interwebs after I warned them not to. Kids these days.

    Similar situation:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1225466513588719618.html

    Marshall’s a colossal dickwad and always has been but chicks dig jerks I guess.

  128. @danand
    Wow, Mr. Walker, even I find it hard to believe Snoop would make an outright death threat like that to Gail! I guess it would be too much to hope this would “wake” Gail and/or Oprah, at least a touch, to the hustle they enable and encourage on a near daily basis.

    …even I find it hard to believe Snoop would make an outright death threat like that to Gail!

    As do I. Presumably because it never occurred.

    • Replies: @danand
    “As do I. Presumably because it never occurred.”

    Servant of Gla'aki, if you’re interested watch the video shown/linked in Mr. Walker’s post, pretty clear. If that’s insufficient Snoop’s got other clips, still floating around the net, making it more crystal; although one might want to hurry, they’re magically “disappearing” into the realm of broken links.

    Not that it matters, but just I’ll just put it out there: I’m not a Snoop hater, this all kind of took me by surprise.
  129. @Kibernetika
    My mom called me from New York on the morning of 9/11 and I remember telling her that it was not possible that the Towers could fall from a plane strike. My dad worked in the Empire State Building and I knew about the WW2-era bomber strike and other data.

    I still haven't been able to process the Twin Towers destruction, because I grew up hearing about the progress of construction and engineering.

    Always listen to your mom.

    I don't believe it was an inside job, as they say.

    My dad worked in the Empire State Building and I knew about the WW2-era bomber strike and other data.

    Another military aircraft hit 40 Wall Street (now the Trump Building) the next year.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_Wall_Street#1946_plane_crash

    These were accidents, and the buildings have a brick exterior, which may make a difference.

    In 2001, it was a deliberate act of war led by an architect. The WTC’s architect had done a number of buildings in Saudi Arabia, giving them plenty of opportunity to study the man’s work.

    So, all things aren’t equal– they never are.

  130. @slumber_j
    Between this and the get-out-of-jail-free no-bail provision for all but (some) violent felons, 2020 now marks the end of the ebb tide in criminality for New York State.

    This makes me unhappy, because I live in Manhattan with my wife and children. It's already not ending well.

    For once, the politicians are ahead of the curve. Because “reforming” the laws to accommodate minority gangsters fond of murder is an excellent way to acknowledge The Great Replacement – and tweak government accordingly – while maintaining their precious deniability that such a thing is even happening (outside of the diseased minds of white supremacists, of course).

    In short, they’re so cotton-mouthed with terror at the prospect of being primary’d by the next AOC, they can’t face the ironclad certainty that they’ll be shitcanned regardless by the new Constituency of Orcs that they went out of their way to bring into being…..just as soon as they finish selling out their own.

  131. I’m old enough to remember (as a child) America in 1963. This America bears no resemblance to that place. None.

  132. I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.

    First of all, the death penalty needs to be carried out … executed, if you will … expeditiously. The US takes decades to get around to executing perps, destroying any deterrent value.

    Second, the Constitution needs to be amended to allow cruel punishment so we can bring back very public hanging, drawing, and quartering executions. Those will get the message across.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    I think that getting sentenced to life without parole, as opposed to death, is cruel and unusual punishment. Living out one's days in a cell? But that's just me.
  133. @Hypnotoad666
    IDK, I may have to be contrarian on this one. Isn't learning the identity of prosecution witnesses part of the constitutional right to confront one's accuser and mount a defense?

    After all, a witness could have ulterior motives or be proven to be unreliable or mistaken. You eventually have to allow cross examination at trial so they can't stay secret forever anyway.

    I frankly thought most state prosecutors were already required to turn over the facts and witness identities as part of pretrial discovery. So this doesn't really seem like a totally new thing.

    So how do you protect a key witness when they will have to testify against a super-dangerous gang member or mob boss? Man, I don't know. Short of putting everyone in witness protection it's a b*tch of a problem.

    But I don't think you can have a system that convicts people with secret testimony either.

    You’re right in theory but wrong in practice, you’re crashing into the fact that these people are not Americans and do not want to be Americans.

  134. @Lot
    Time to get out then.

    You must have made enough to retire outside of NYC just on the appreciation of your apartment.

    I don’t really see a return to 1970s-90s violence and property values. But a partial return and a Mayor AOC/President Bernie would not be good for NYC’s economy or property owners.

    And what Dem in NYC is more popular?

    Why should his family have to leave where they’ve put down roots?

    I don’t think moving will solve the problem. Notice how fleeing Californians turned Colorado, Washington and Oregon in clones of California.

  135. @Servant of Gla'aki

    ...even I find it hard to believe Snoop would make an outright death threat like that to Gail!
     
    As do I. Presumably because it never occurred.

    “As do I. Presumably because it never occurred.”

    Servant of Gla’aki, if you’re interested watch the video shown/linked in Mr. Walker’s post, pretty clear. If that’s insufficient Snoop’s got other clips, still floating around the net, making it more crystal; although one might want to hurry, they’re magically “disappearing” into the realm of broken links.

    Not that it matters, but just I’ll just put it out there: I’m not a Snoop hater, this all kind of took me by surprise.

  136. @Anonymous
    Pigeons are filthy, foul flying rats and should be culled by any means necessary. Falconry is elegant, but too much work. Shooting with air rifles is excellent sport and environmentally conscious.

    The problem with public pigeon poisoning is that if a humane fast poison is used, you will be caught and they will charge you with something, usually animal cruelty. It offends people and so they will bust you to pander to the misguided animal crowd. A slow poison will let them fly off and die, but they will suffer and worse, animals who eat the dead pigeons will suffer and die.

    The best solution was ingenious and I saw it deployed at a rail yard once. A special rope wound with alternating conductive and dielectric strands was suspended where birds en masse would roost on it. Each bird having two legs, it would be in contact with two separate conductors. When a lot of birds of the undesirable species were on the line, a big oil filled capacitor was discharged across the conductors and most of the birds were instantly and humanely killed. They’d all fall over and hit the ground, and the contractor would dash out and sweep them up.

    It offends people and so they will bust you to pander to the misguided animal crowd.

    Lehrer wrote the song after learning that the Fish and Wildlife Service was poisoning in the parks of Boston. This was in the early 1950s, a very different time.

    Lehrer claims to have invented the Jello shot while working at the NSA (shh! which didn’t exist yet) to circumvent a liquor ban. We can celebrate him for that. Even if he wasn’t the first, it would have been someone with his turn of mind.

  137. @Nicholas Stix
    "I don’t think that government at any level should have a monopoly on killing murderers."

    Then you have to allow for civilians taking the law into their own hands.

    The idea that the government should have a monopoly on killing murderers was to stem the anarchy of every man being a law unto himself. If the government will not exact vengeance on victims' behalf, it is in league with cut-throats, and thus illegitimate.

    The Association in Support of Cut-Throats of Color takes the notion of no man being a law unto himself for granted, but without telling people how that came about, so that they won't draw logical conclusions about a political power that denies all redress to the victims of violent crime.

    Now, they speak of "restorative justice," which is an oxymoronic, racist code phrase for, "black and Hispanic cut-throats are the real victims."

    No vengeance, no justice.

    The Libertarian Randian Supermen are against the “government” trying anybody. I once read a piece by one of this crowd in which he wrote that murderers should be required to make financial “restitution.”

    I forgot his name.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    >>The Libertarian Randian Supermen are against the “government” trying anybody. I once read a piece by one of this crowd in which he wrote that murderers should be required to make financial “restitution.”<<

    Well, what about rapists (Kobe, etc.) and Michael Jackson? They only paid financial restitution and are now treated as semi-saintly figures. Or black martyrs, victims of racism, etc. (Somehow Bill Cosby missed that parade, eventually.)

    Are all of these folks attacking Gayle King "Libertarian Randian Supermen" as you suggest? Ayn Rand herself wrote vicious denunciations of "libertarians" who were simply drugged out hippies according to her.

    Don't let facts get in the way of your prejudices.
  138. @Forbes
    Here's one more implication of Dem Gov & Legislature recklessness ...

    “New York residents will be cut off from ‘trusted traveler’ programs that enable people to quickly return from outside the country because of a new state law that prevents immigration officials from accessing motor vehicle records, a senior Homeland Security official said Thursday. Tens of thousands of New Yorkers whose applications for the programs are pending or will have to renew their enrollment by the end of the year will have to undergo customs and passport checks as they enter the country as a result of the action, said Ken Cuccinelli, acting deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.”
    https://abc7ny.com/politics/new-yorkers-no-longer-allowed-to-enroll-in-global-entry-dhs/5907698/

    My nephew works for the Border Patrol--they basically don't do anything as they're cut off from the state computer systems--DMV and criminal records--combined with the new no-bail law, there's no point to making criminal detentions.

    The Democrats have given a free pass to criminals in New York to protect illegal aliens.

    Ken Cuccinelli was a rising conservative in Virginia until he lost a gubernatorial race to Clinton grifter McAuliffe, who promptly restored the voting rights of every felon in the state. KC has been one of DJT’s more effective appointees, and this is making the Blues pay for their wokeness. More, please. And faster.

  139. @JohnnyWalker123
    Gayle King brought up the issue of Kobe being accused of rape back in 2003.

    https://twitter.com/videomixtape_/status/1225353127467134976


    Snoop Dogg wasn't happy about that.

    https://twitter.com/XXL/status/1225476864375955457


    For some reason, Bill Cosby's name came up. Don't ask me how. So did Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson.


    https://twitter.com/batvvolf/status/1225500337680896005


    Bill Cosby is Tweeting from jail.

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519733442740224

    https://twitter.com/BillCosby/status/1225519997969223681


    Listen to the last few seconds of the video below. From 0:41-0:44.

    https://twitter.com/RobTakeOver/status/1225380444549586944


    https://twitter.com/KarlousM/status/1225543429985308674

    Re: the Gayle King Kobe rape flap.

    This might be a redundant reply as many others are doing so.

    First, black athlete privilege trumps white female rape victim privilege. It says so in the rule book.

    Naturally misogynist rappers, a few of whom are acknowledged rapists, will never “believe the women” though they seem to be seen as cheerleaders for the SJW Woke mob. Go figure.

    The second tier rapper 50 Cent tried to make the case that “since Kobe is dead and can’t defend himself” everyone should lay off this unpleasant rape business. I wonder if Robert E. Lee or Adolph Hitler is included in his “too dead to criticize” argument.

    The Fake News article about the flap used the weasel words “alleged” rapist and “didn’t press charges” excuses. Somehow coverage of the Kavanaugh accusers or Weinstein trial didn’t have the same faint glow of censorship and fact fuzzing as Kobe’s little problem story does.

    While I don’t like these powerful rich celebrities going scot-free via private payoffs and avoiding the nasty publicity and hard jail time everyone else gets, I have come to think that this was the best outcome for the victim. She avoided being grilled by Kobe’s lawyers, and being accused of lying, etc. and also was paid (probably) millions for her suffering and anguish. Better than The System where she would get nothing but embarrassment and hatred from Kobe’s defenders. Wasn’t she also white?

    While Bryant is said to have cleaned up his act subsequently, “loved his children” etc. all good things, why does that even if true merit mandatory silence about his violence against women crime? His rep is tarnished to everyone with a functioning brain. Sorry. A tragic ending doesn’t wash all sins totally away. Where are the ultra #BelievetheWomen mobs now?

  140. @Hypnotoad666
    IDK, I may have to be contrarian on this one. Isn't learning the identity of prosecution witnesses part of the constitutional right to confront one's accuser and mount a defense?

    After all, a witness could have ulterior motives or be proven to be unreliable or mistaken. You eventually have to allow cross examination at trial so they can't stay secret forever anyway.

    I frankly thought most state prosecutors were already required to turn over the facts and witness identities as part of pretrial discovery. So this doesn't really seem like a totally new thing.

    So how do you protect a key witness when they will have to testify against a super-dangerous gang member or mob boss? Man, I don't know. Short of putting everyone in witness protection it's a b*tch of a problem.

    But I don't think you can have a system that convicts people with secret testimony either.

    >>>But I don’t think you can have a system that convicts people with secret testimony either.<<<

    I don't think Rep. Adam Schiff and his House Impeachment lynch mob got your memo on this.

  141. @David In TN
    The Libertarian Randian Supermen are against the "government" trying anybody. I once read a piece by one of this crowd in which he wrote that murderers should be required to make financial "restitution."

    I forgot his name.

    >>The Libertarian Randian Supermen are against the “government” trying anybody. I once read a piece by one of this crowd in which he wrote that murderers should be required to make financial “restitution.”<<

    Well, what about rapists (Kobe, etc.) and Michael Jackson? They only paid financial restitution and are now treated as semi-saintly figures. Or black martyrs, victims of racism, etc. (Somehow Bill Cosby missed that parade, eventually.)

    Are all of these folks attacking Gayle King "Libertarian Randian Supermen" as you suggest? Ayn Rand herself wrote vicious denunciations of "libertarians" who were simply drugged out hippies according to her.

    Don't let facts get in the way of your prejudices.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    The Randian Supermen aren't "all of these folks." They've jumped in on the side saying all black felons are innocent, or if you prefer, the BLM crowd.
  142. @The Wild Geese Howard

    It used to impress me, but after years of travel, New York City just seems to me like a dirty, overrated mess full of self-satisfied people smelling their own farts.
     
    I think the warrior-poet John Rocker had the best take on NYC:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rocker#Controversial_statements

    It's the most hectic, nerve-wracking city. Imagine having to take the 7 Train to the ballpark looking like you're riding through Beirut next to some kid with purple hair, next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It's depressing... The biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?
     

    The fascinating bit about Rocker’s comments is that they were made 20 years ago, in 1999!

    I thought his comments were hilarious, and I live here–and everyone I knew then commented, “What’s the problem, he’s calling it like it is.”

    The early stages of PC/SJW brigades doing their censorship routine: “You can’t say that!”

    He was suspended for telling the truth, sent to “sensitivity” training, and made to eat a shit sandwich.

    I made up that last part–but basically, that’s what MLB did to him.

  143. @Dave3
    I last visited NYC on August 31, 2001. When I got off the bus at Port Authority, there was a Mexican guy lying alone on the floor, not moving, with a puddle of blood around his head. Everyone just walked by without saying anything.

    As it was still summer, the streets reeked of garbage rotting in dumpsters. I guess you were used to that.

    I’m unaware of any city that has a pleasing bus station in a pleasant neighborhood–I could be wrong as I haven’t visited that many. The Port Authority is nicer than most in my experience.

    That doesn’t deny your particular experience, or your opinion. NYC is filled with lots of unusual sights and smells, no doubt.

  144. @Muggles
    >>The Libertarian Randian Supermen are against the “government” trying anybody. I once read a piece by one of this crowd in which he wrote that murderers should be required to make financial “restitution.”<<

    Well, what about rapists (Kobe, etc.) and Michael Jackson? They only paid financial restitution and are now treated as semi-saintly figures. Or black martyrs, victims of racism, etc. (Somehow Bill Cosby missed that parade, eventually.)

    Are all of these folks attacking Gayle King "Libertarian Randian Supermen" as you suggest? Ayn Rand herself wrote vicious denunciations of "libertarians" who were simply drugged out hippies according to her.

    Don't let facts get in the way of your prejudices.

    The Randian Supermen aren’t “all of these folks.” They’ve jumped in on the side saying all black felons are innocent, or if you prefer, the BLM crowd.

  145. @The Alarmist

    I’ve long felt that the death penalty should be reserved as a deterrent against witness-murdering.
     
    First of all, the death penalty needs to be carried out ... executed, if you will ... expeditiously. The US takes decades to get around to executing perps, destroying any deterrent value.

    Second, the Constitution needs to be amended to allow cruel punishment so we can bring back very public hanging, drawing, and quartering executions. Those will get the message across.

    I think that getting sentenced to life without parole, as opposed to death, is cruel and unusual punishment. Living out one’s days in a cell? But that’s just me.

  146. @EricCC
    Having worked in prisons for a large part of my life, your "all the violent crimes including numerous stabbings and murders committed inside prisons are gang-related" is factual, but not truthful to quote Michael Malice.

    When you are in anything above county/city jails, you are automatically in a gang. You have no options to opt out of that unless you go into special housing, and there too, you will most likely be in a gang. Or, in other words, 99% of the prison population is in a gang. So sure, most murders in prison have a gang element to them, but most have nothing to do with what we think of as gang violence outside of prison. For one, gangs almost never attack each other. So MS13/eMe would never go after a white or black person. That would automatically start a riot. Likewise no black or white gang would go after someone of a different race without starting a riot and putting the whole prison on a months long lockdown.

    Almost all killings in prison are due to drug debts within the gang itself or someone having bad papers (sex/child crimes). The bad papers violence is always handled within your own race and is again, not really gang related in the way we think of gang crime. The remaining violence ends up being random things that are not really to do with the gang.

    Wow sir, you speak with frightening authority.

  147. @slumber_j
    Well, thank you. With apologies to Mr McKenna (see his reply to yours), I think Litchfield Co. would be a more likely destination as we already have a house there. It's the only one of CT's eight counties to have voted for Trump, despite all the snooty transplants, and it feels like actual New England--for better and worse.

    I'd still have to figure out a way not to have to drive everywhere though.

    Uber.

  148. @Laurence Whelk
    Why does Bill Cosby have a Twitter account? Or access to a device to tweet from? What the hell?

    Apparently raping drugged women does not violate Twitter’s terms of service.

    O.J. Simpson is on Twitter, so . . .

  149. @OscarWildeLoveChild
    "Complicated" is the new euphemism for saying, "there's a lot there we cannot really speak about". Used typically like, He has a "complicated" history (he bludgeoned his foster parents to death then was sent in and out of JD). Their relationship was "complicated"...he beat her often, but she went back to him and had three children with him before he finally murdered her.

    The white woman's equivalent is "messy". Comes up a lot, especially with conflicted sometimes-conservative and/or Christian women...."my relationship with my ex-husband and first his wife was messy" (translation: He found out I was in a lesbian relationship with her). "Messy" divorce (took years to get the right alimony/CS ordered by the court and the divorce over). If it is "complicated" and "messy" there is a private admission one wants to obscure. For example, "our divorce was messy, my husband dragged me through the courts for years, not wanting to pay $12,000 a month in alimony...it was also complicated (my new boyfriend burned my husband's business to the ground and killed his dog).

    I'm working on my coding and dog whistle handbook.

    OscarWildeLoveChild,

    Why’d you have to go and make things so complicated?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    As long as she promised to shut up, though, I would....

    https://youtu.be/LiaYDPRedWQ

    (She gets minor points for offending and annoying hypersensitive Orientals, though.)



    Ironically, their culture was treated far more respectfully in popular music before the age of political correctness.....

    https://youtu.be/LdHCAiLsvWQ
  150. new york does NOT like criminals, it likes criminals.

    new york does NOT coddle criminals, it coddles them.

    new york does NOT make sure witnesses die, it makes sure witnesses die.

    new york does NOT make a mockery of justice, it makes a mockery of justice.

    sounds stupid? so does the new yorkese detailed above.

  151. @Autochthon
    Yes; the courts (criminal and otherwise) in the F.U.S.A. are irremediably shit.

    However, you've completely misunderstood the context and therefore the point of Shakespeare's famous quip: the character speaking it is a blackguard with nefarious intentions – killing all the lawyers will prevent their invoking the rule of law to put a stop to his evil shenanigans. Don't worry: you are in popular, if not good, company – those who have actual familiarity with Henry VI are few and far between.

    Yeah , I knew the context of the quote . I should have left the quotation marks out . I was lazy and counted on those who have actual familiarity with Henry VI being few and far between. I really should have known better on Steve’s thing .

  152. @Twodees Partain
    Now, there's a thought. Add to that politicians who propose laws that violate the constitutional prohibition of such legislation.

    Cheers to your health kind sir.
    I warmly accept your thoughtful proposition.
    I’m pleased we are in accord.

    Happy Snow Day!

    • Thanks: Twodees Partain
  153. @mmack
    OscarWildeLoveChild,

    Why'd you have to go and make things so complicated?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPBIwQyPWE

    As long as she promised to shut up, though, I would….

    (She gets minor points for offending and annoying hypersensitive Orientals, though.)

    [MORE]

    Ironically, their culture was treated far more respectfully in popular music before the age of political correctness…..

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