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From the New York Times news section:

After Murders ‘Doubled Overnight,’ the N.Y.P.D. Is Solving Fewer Cases

In the Bronx, where the percentage of murders solved by the police has plunged, one family is waiting impatiently for a day that may not come.

By Ali Watkins
Nov. 26, 2021

… In the years before the pandemic, the New York Police Department was solving nearly 90 percent of the murder cases in the city. But in 2020, as shootings and homicides increased, the percentage of homicides the police solved, a statistic known as the clearance rate, plummeted to around 60 percent, according to the department’s records.

The impact fell especially hard in the Bronx, where shootings reached their highest levels in nearly 15 years. This year, the police are solving around 62 percent of murders in the borough, said Lt. William O’Toole, who leads the Bronx’s homicide squad. In addition, he said, 17 murder suspects — including the man the police believe killed Mr. Lewis — have been identified and have active warrants issued against them.

But, Lieutenant O’Toole said, “It’s harder with the pandemic.”

In a city blanketed with surveillance equipment and video cameras, the police say some of the city’s most dangerous pockets do not have enough. The widespread use of masks during the pandemic has made it more difficult to identify assailants, they say. And, the police say, new discovery laws that allow the names of informants to be turned over to defense lawyers have deterred many potential witnesses from coming forward.

“The increase in shootings, that’s got to have a negative impact on clearance rates,” said Peter Moskos, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “Their caseload literally doubled overnight. The odds are never great. That’s the unfortunate truth.”

The challenge is particularly acute for gang- and drug-related homicides, which the police believe may have been an impetus for Mr. Lewis’s killing, with his killer possibly mistaking him for another man.

“The dynamics that play out with gang and drug homicides are in neighborhoods that typically don’t have very good relationships with law enforcement, so they question whether they’re able to trust the police with sharing information they might have,” said Anthony Braga, a criminology professor at the University of Pennsylvania.

In the Bronx, Lieutenant O’Toole said, officers have noticed much more reluctance when speaking to the community, a phenomenon he attributes to the state’s discovery laws.

“It’s not for lack of trying,” Lieutenant O’Toole said of the rate of unsolved homicides. “We’re not getting a lot of community help.” …

America doesn’t worry enough about witness-murdering. When I google “witness-murdering” I get … me.

“Witness-murdering” needs to be a Thing that is borne in mind, so when some Soros-funded NGO starts a drive to strip privacy from murder witnesses, other people ask, “But isn’t witness-murdering a Thing?”

 
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  1. JimDandy says:

    “so when some Soros-funded NGO starts a drive to strip privacy from murder witnesses”

    Why does Soros want to see American cities descend into chaos?

  2. Thirdtwin says:

    Ali Watkins…She’s the NYT reporter who was screwing Senate Security Director James Wolfe in order to get leaked classified info. I see they’ve reassigned her to a beat she can really sink her teeth into.

    • Replies: @B36
  3. Next time someone tells you that capital punishment is an ineffective deterrent (because criminals aren’t forward-looking) just point to witness-murdering’s spectacular success at deterring criminals from testifying against one another.

  4. Cortes says:

    I’m pretty sure that some shy, retiring seminary student might find a snappy wordbite. Along the lines of

    No man, no problem.

  5. PaceLaw says:

    “ In the Bronx, Lieutenant O’Toole said, officers have noticed much more reluctance when speaking to the community, a phenomenon he attributes to the state’s discovery laws.”

    Oh my goodness, Lt. O’Toole is hilarious! He wants to blame the state’s arcane discovery laws, which apparently the good people of the Bronx are all up-to-date with, instead of the well-known street reality of “snitches get stitches.“ This lieutenant must be testing out his comedy chops for a better gig at Saturday Night Live.

    • Disagree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  6. Kronos says:

    “Witness-murdering” needs to be a Thing that is borne in mind, so when some Soros-funded NGO starts a drive to strip privacy from murder witnesses, other people ask, “But isn’t witness-murdering a Thing?”

    As the old phrase goes: “Snitches get stitches for being punk ass bitches.”

  7. Polistra says:
    @International Jew

    someone tells you that capital punishment is an ineffective deterrent

    It’s also remarkably effective against recividism.

    • Thanks: Charon
    • LOL: Hibernian, Clyde
    • Replies: @animalogic
  8. “But isn’t witness-murdering a Thing?”

    Uh, yes it is. It’s called Snitches Get Stitches. Or they get put six feet underground.

  9. @International Jew

    “If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call.” Dr. John McAdams, Marquette University

    • Thanks: SimpleSong, HammerJack
  10. When I google “witness-murdering” I get … me.

    Witness-murdering = Underwriting mess.

  11. Just curious: Is there any information about juror-murdering? That would seem to be important…

  12. Charlotte says:

    My guess is that New York Times reading Goodwhites tend to envision the murder of murder witnesses as something done by highly-organized criminal enterprises (like the mafia). In the universe of acceptable thoughts, if People of Color aren’t victims of gangs, they are rather-childlike perpetrators of gang violence who need to be rescued from gang life. Murdering witnesses implies a degree of agency and forethought that sits uneasily with victimhood.

    • Agree: nokangaroos, guest007
  13. Zoos says:

    Meanwhile, a Rittenhousy shooting takes place, luckily for the shooter, in Texas.

    No charges so far.

    Zoos’ Rule: Never bum-rush an angry or scared person who appears to be sporting a semi-automatic rifle.

    Especially in Texas. 🤠

  14. The increase in shootings, that’s got to have a negative impact on clearance rates,”

    Witness murdering is a thing, but so is retribution, which might affect the actual ‘clearance’ rate.

  15. @JimDandy

    Why does Soros want to see American cities descend into chaos?

    He’s a little too old at 91 for “buy low, sell high”. But he has four sons aged between 33 and 58, who are busily involved in evil projects such as Planned Parenthood and destruction of the Electoral College. Two busy nephews as well. He’s invested in the future.

    He has an honorary doctorate from this institution with an intriguing name:

    Wikipedia has a lot of dirt on him:

    [MORE]

    When Soros was asked in 2006 about his statement in The Age of Fallibility that “the main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States”, he responded that “it happens to coincide with the prevailing opinion in the world. And I think that’s rather shocking for Americans to hear. The United States sets the agenda for the world. And the rest of the world has to respond to that agenda. By declaring a ‘war on terror’ after September 11, we set the wrong agenda for the world … When you wage war, you inevitably create innocent victims.”

    He has funded NGOs which have been actively critical of Israeli policies including groups that campaign for the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement against Israel…

    According to hacked emails released in 2016, Soros’s Open Society Foundation has a self-described objective of “challenging Israel’s racist and anti-democratic policies” in international forums, in part by questioning Israel’s reputation as a democracy…

    During an award ceremony for Imre Kertész, Soros said that the victims of violence and abuse were becoming “perpetrators of violence”, suggesting that this model explained Israel’s behavior towards the Palestinians, which led to walkouts and Soros being booed…

    Hours later, in an apparent attempt to ally Israel with Hungary, Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a “clarification”, denouncing Soros, stating that he “continuously undermines Israel’s democratically elected governments by funding organizations that defame the Jewish state and seek to deny it the right to defend itself”.

    Explaining his father’s motives, [Alexander Soros] said, “The reason you fight for an open society is because that’s the only society that you can live in, as a Jew — unless you become a nationalist and only fight for your own rights in your own state.”

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Franz
    , @Anonymous
  16. @PaceLaw

    Lt. O’Toole knows of what he speaks. It’s his job.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-discovering-huge-holes-in-discovery-reform-20190603-7dczo26lu5fc7e46wvny4chfyy-story.html

    Unfortunately, there is nothing “arcane” about New York State’s discovery laws. Under the pro-crime law passed in 2019 by the state legislature, the NYPD must turn over the names, phone numbers and addresses of any witnesses to defense counsel within 15 days of arraignment. This means the gangs and criminals are in contact with the witnesses before they are interviewed by the NYPD. Under the old rules, the witness names, addresses and phone numbers were only given to defense counsel during trial discovery. Since less than 5% of criminal cases go to trial in NYC that meant that under the old rules the identity of a witness was rarely disclosed. Now, witnesses are almost always disclosed. This is a big change.

  17. • Agree: Craig Nelsen, Old Prude
    • Replies: @IHTG
    , @guest007
    , @Alden
  18. JimDandy says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    They want to depress America so they can buy low?

  19. Washington was first in the land with shall-issue carry permits. (Unless you count Vermont’s implicit kind.) Now they aim to start a counter-trend:

    Despite gun-rights opposition, lawmakers in Olympia are working to deter ad hoc ‘patrols’ and armed protests

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  20. PaceLaw says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Wow, thank you for the correction as to NY’s discovery laws.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  21. Rob McX says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    You got mixed up there. The link is wrong.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  22. @JimDandy

    Darrell Brooks was only able to carry out his terrorist attack on White children at the Waukesha Christmas Parade because of Soros’ funded pro-crime district attorneys and politicians.

    Empowering criminals is part of any radical leftist revolutionary agenda. The prisons were opened during the French and Russian Revolutions. Same vibe. Do not underestimate that murder and human suffering may also be ends in and of themselves.

    • Agree: Ben tillman, Alden
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @anon
  23. Franz says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    He has an honorary doctorate from this institution with an intriguing name:

    Matthias Corvinus was crowned King of Hungary in April 1464. Also a war hero.

    The honorary degree for Soros was their way of getting a donation, I’ll guess.

  24. @JimDandy

    Because of his father’s suffering at the hands of the Nazis, Soros has a seething hatred of all white gentiles.

  25. JimDandy says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Soros is a radical leftist revolutionary driven by power-to-the-people ideals?

  26. Alfa158 says:
    @JimDandy

    You can put up a new house if the old one is still there. You knock down the old one, bulldoze the debris off the lot, then you build your new dream house. Soros and the millions who think like him want to destroy the existing society and replace it with the new and better one in their blueprints.

  27. AKAHorace says:
    @PaceLaw

    And thank you for being so polite about it (even if I am not Clifford Brown). It is nice to see fair minded discussion on Unz.

    • Agree: Clifford Brown, PaceLaw
  28. JimDandy says:
    @Alfa158

    Out-of-control violent crime leads, I guess, to the mass-exodus of people and businesses, which puts most of our big cities on track to end up like Detroit. Like Furies, the Progressives plan to chase the fleeing urbanites down, putting projects in every suburb and town and unleashing the chaos there as well. Defund and demoralize the police, ruthlessly punish citizens for exercising their right to self-defense… this paves the way for what?

    • Replies: @Technite78
    , @Boomthorkell
  29. @JimDandy

    Not that I care for Soros- but isn’t his reputation highly inflated?

    In the public discourse, he seems to be the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion & The International Jew rolled into one.
    Isn’t any other nefarious figure out there to do harm?

  30. @Zoos

    Wow, they’re all amazingly well composed after the shooting.

  31. JimDandy says:
    @Zoos

    Seems like another open-and-shut case of self-defense.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @another fred
  32. @Zoos

    That’s just really fucked up

  33. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, when viewed with a cold, cynical, mathematical eye, ‘witness murdering’ is a perfectly rational course of action.
    It’s an odd case where weighted probability theory is utilized by those perfectly unschooled in the higher mathematics, a case of self interested rationality tending toward scientism, an analogy could be Darwin’s theory of Natural Selection.

    The probabilistic calculus is this: Is it worth running the risk of suffering a longer spell of incarceration than a shorter spell, but with the compounded possibility of serving no custodial sentence at all?
    Quite a complex calculation, but one which ‘instinct’ – possibly tapping on ancient atavistic roots, seems to answer better than abstruse calculation.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  34. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    We’ve got our very own ‘Corvinus University of Budapest’ here at iSteve.

    If he’s Soros funded is a moot point.

  35. @JimDandy

    Lance Welton at Vdare thinks it’s because he’s a Sabbatean Frankist. He may be right.
    https://vdare.com/articles/thy-hand-great-anarch-is-george-soros-a-sabbatean-frankist

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  36. IHTG says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The 1990 act was worse, but Republicans don’t like talking about that.

  37. Dan Hayes says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Give the Devil his due: Soros seems to have been the first to realize that DAs were the weak links in the criminal justice chain and could be easily subverted. The rest is disastrous judicial history.

  38. @Polistra

    “It’s also remarkably effective against recividism.”
    No, can’t argue with that. Of course, the down side is it encourages even more witness murder.
    It’s not like the State can kill you twice — nothing to lose & perhaps a lot to gain.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
  39. @Bardon Kaldian

    Soros is the only one whose PR machine is hooked into the MSM.

  40. @Anonymous

    But the person benefitting from and almost certainly instigating the witness murder has a pretty good alibi: Rikers. Additional charges are going to be impossible to prove. Simple calculation of the odds.

    At least, that used to be the case.. In these bail for all (even murder?) days the calculus in contorted, What’s a math nerd to do?

  41. They worked in the Times’ patented “minorities hit worst,” but what about the women?

  42. @Zoos

    That was heartbreaking to watch. Of course, I am not familiar with whole context of these events, but the man who was shot seems to be a divorced father looking for his son. If the shooter and the baby-momma were violating his court-approved custodial rights, they could be guilty of kidnapping and hence murder. The self-defense angle here is an irrelevant sidebar. Those who would applaud the shooter’s actions remind me of those sportsball hooligans who like to cheer it on when somebody gets lammed in the head at a basketball game. Such an attitude is very pathetic and a violation of everything that decent people should hold dear.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Replies: @Clyde
  43. @Verymuchalive

    “Lance Welton” is an hysterical boob whose every scribble is a disgrace to the written word. Anybody who takes that guy seriously needs a 72-hour detox.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  44. Rob McX says:
    @Anonymous

    Corvinus University – not to be confused with Tiny Duck Community College.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  45. Anonymous[268] • Disclaimer says:
    @Zoos

    I thought that was murder even before learning the back story. He retrieved the gun during the argument (not under imminent threat) and before shooting the guy dead he backed up to gain distance (i.e., again not under any imminent threat).

    I don’t want to live in blue-state American cities where felons are let go but I also don’t want to live in redneck America where a guy can shoot someone dead and not be charged.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
  46. @JimDandy

    Defund and demoralize the police, ruthlessly punish citizens for exercising their right to self-defense… this paves the way for what?

    Affordable housing, of course!

  47. David says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Some time around 1989 I was arrested on the upper west side and charged with a misdemeanor. Very shortly thereafter, I got a document outlining what the sole witness against me was prepared to testify in court. His name and address were printed over a patch of squiggly lines intended to make it illegible on my copy, but I could easily read it by holding the paper at an angle to bright light. I still remember his name, as he was a well-known administrator at Columbia university. To the best of my knowledge, he was never murdered.

    But I wonder if such an obvious breach in security ever got anyone killed.

  48. @Bardon Kaldian

    Isn’t any other nefarious figure out there to do harm?

    Gates doesn’t get the press he deserves.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/gates/

  49. anon[184] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes witness-murdering is a real, big thing. People will recall it in its original form, exculpatory-witness murder – Ibragim Todashev, murdered by the death squad of Aaron McFarlane, Curtis Cinelli, and Joel Gagne.

  50. Mike Tre says:
    @Zoos

    It’s a bad shooting.

    • Agree: Tony massey
  51. guest007 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Who cares? he has little chance of winning.

  52. Elli says:
    @Zoos

    Black shirt shot towards his own house, where someone was taking video with a cell phone. if he had missed Teal shirt, he could have killed family member.

    Huge escalation by both of them. Visitation dispute and trespass and shouting to threatening with a rifle to roaring bull won’t back down struggle and killing.

    There was time to call the police, as in the Arbery case.

    Now a child has lost his father, killed by stepfather. What does that do to marriage and family?

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
  53. B36 says:
    @Thirdtwin

    A prostitute on the crime beat.

  54. Stick says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Soros is a Company asset that plays the Lumley master mind in Buchan’s the Power House. How else does a NAZI collaborator become a US Citizen?

  55. @Dan Hayes

    It’s been true in San Francisco for 60 years — since long before Soto’s got involved in US politics.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  56. @International Jew

    Yes, it seems premeditated. It’s clearly not self-defense. The victim did not engage in violence or threatening conduct.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @res
    , @Expletive Deleted
  57. JimDandy says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You either haven’t been keeping up, or you’re being disingenuous.

  58. Hollywood made a pretty good movie about this very subject in 1985, the one with Harrison Ford, Danny Glover, and Kelly McGillis.

    I had a few problems with some of the details, and Viggo Mortenson should have played the Amish guy, but on the whole it did its job. I gave it 3 out of 5 stars.

    It could never be made today. Black baddie? Nope. Honest white cop who beats up black suspects in bars? Nope.

  59. Sean says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_N._Scarcella
    NYPD top murder detective= lying bastard

    Scarcella fallaciously testified that Shakur had confessed to him that he had killed two men after an argument about car payments. Shakur was sentenced to two consecutive 20-to-life sentences.[29] Steadfast in his innocence, Shakur served 28 years in prison before Judge Desmond Green vacated his conviction in 2015, writing that there was “reasonable probability” that the confession was “indeed fabricated”[12] and attributing a “propensity to embellish or fabricate statements” to Scarcella.[30]

    He used crack addict Teresa Gomez as a witness for at several unrelated murders. Were those he put away contributing members of society? Most were far from it. Key witnesses in criminal trials are almost always criminals themselves.

    David Ranta (charged for brutal 1990 murder of a prominent rabbi)[6] was exonerated on a NY murder charge on March 23, 2013, after serving 23 years in prison.[7] He won a \$6.4 million settlement from the City of New York in 2014.[8][9] During the investigation into the murder of Rabbi Chaskel Werzberger, Ranta was identified by five witnesses as the perpetrator. However, as the Kings County District Attorney’s Office Conviction Review Unit began reviewing Ranta’s case, a key witness came forward and revealed that Scarcella had provided him with a description of whom to pick in a police lineup.[10] Two other witnesses later recanted their identification of Ranta, as well.[11] The testimonies of Bloom and Dirkman, who at the time were both convicted for various felony charges, were also crucial to the investigation. However, during the Conviction Review Unit’s review of Ranta’s case, both Bloom and Dirkman were shown to have been permitted to leave jail, do illegal drugs, and have sex with prostitutes in return for their incriminating testimonies of Ranta.[10] No physical evidence incriminated Ranta for the case. Ranta’s exoneration in 2013 was the first of many connected to Detective Scarcella.[12]

    “Louis Scarcella, has defended the investigation, saying he never framed anyone.

    “I never framed anyone in my life,” he said in an interview with the New York Post. “You have to be a low devil to frame someone. I sleep well at night.”

  60. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: That person Omarova that Biden wants as bank regulator. She doesn’t believe that people ought to have accounts in private banks, and wants to force everyone to have an account with one national US bank that’s owned by the government.

    This is the main reason why Biden wants her.

    Banks usually have rules that require their customers to maintain minimum balances, because when you’re not using that cash, the bank is using it to make loans to other people, etc. Biden wants to turn the U.S. government into a massive spending machine that shoves cash to Democratic cronies, and to finance welfare for massive waves of immigrants that he wants to vote Democrat. If the money of all voters is centralized, he can raid everyone’s bank accounts to do this, and ramp up deficit spending massively without requiring congressional voting on a spending bill.

    Secondly, the government will find it easy to monitor for tax evasion if everyone is forced to keep their cash in one bank owned by the government. It’s tougher for the government to audit what’s going on in private banks.

    Keep this in mind when you look at what Biden is doing to our banking industry. Biden wants all U.S. banks to be owned by the government the way a communist does. It’s not just Biden. This what Democrats want these days, and the way the Dem elite is thinking.

    If they can’t get their mega spending bills passed, then they’ll try to create one US bank to get hold of everybody’s money to spend on the sly. Of course, they’ll get out of control with their spending, borrow too much, leave everyone broke with empty bank accounts, and collapse the economic system because Democrats can’t control their spending. Never have been, never will be able to.

    Democrats think money grows on trees.

  61. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown

    You know what is unfortunate, is that the more laws and prisons we have the further from Mayberry we move as a country, and it shows. Moving from Mayberry is exactly what the left wants. They don’t want free and down to earth countries full of small communities full of families that know and care for each other. They claim it stifles the individual, but you can still be an individual and know your neighbors, while Andy watches out for the bad folks from the cities. They’ll have everyone clamoring for more street lights and cameras to spy us. Most of that equipment won’t be in their neighborhood but ours. The endless harassment at their hands will not end. Their bullying will just intensify and they’ll justify it even if they have to lie. No matter how bad it gets for a while, lets not ask for more harassment? There still is fake news ya know to be used against us. Don’t forget how many on their side.

    • Replies: @Flip
  62. res says:
    @Zoos

    What a mess. An important difference (I believe, IANAL) is the shooter was on his own property. Here are the circumstances.
    https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/chad-read-shooting-the-facts-and-the-fallout/

    In those records, Kyle’s estranged wife and state district judge Ann-Marie Carruth explained in her divorce filing that “my husband, William Kyle Carruth, is under investigation for the shooting and killing of his girlfriend’s children’s father after he attempted to pick up his children late Friday afternoon. My knowledge of the incident is very limited at this time and it is my understanding that the police are still investigating.”

    • Replies: @Rob
    , @Gabe Ruth
  63. tyrone says:
    @International Jew

    And before , an angry man (and especially a woman) with a firearm is a rational persons cue to skedaddle……..are people getting more reckless?

  64. @Clifford Brown

    Along with no-cash bail, this policy has helped set NYC’s crime rate back to levels not seen since the early 1990s. And these policies are supported by most progressive politicians.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  65. @JimDandy

    They want to depress America so they can buy low?

    My speculation has been that the impetus for reversing successful criminal justice policies in favor of street criminals (who are disproportionately black) in U.S. Cities is to reverse the gentrification of the last 20 years in order to churn real estate.

    Some people made fortunes beginning 50-60 years ago by chopping up agricultural land, building quasi-prefabricated homes, and selling them to whites fleeing urban crime. In the 1990s, the scourge of urban crime was sufficient enough to cause substantial revisions to U.S. crime policies, tending towards more policing and longer prison sentences. Then some people made fortunes beginning 15-20 years ago by rebranding urban neighborhoods, renovating slum properties and selling them to young college educated whites, many of whom were the children of the whites who fled to the new suburbs and who were made naive by having been shielded from urban crime.

    Now, all of the prime urban real estate is more or less gentrified, so the only way to “churn” residential real estate on the kind of scale necessary to make fortunes is to scare the gentrifiers back into the suburbs onto new plots of recently developed agricultural land. They even ease the transition by building “townhome communities” which can resemble fairly nice urban rowhomes.

    It’s also the case that the left in the form of Democrats stumbled upon a conundrum – they’ve indoctrinated young whites via college, but instead of moving back to their hometowns those young whites moved to cities with large existing black populations which were already heavily Democratic in voting patterns. Therefore, the Democrats have double concentrated their voters into districts which they already controlled, while the relative absence of young college indoctrinated whites in suburbs favors the Red Team. Blue Team has a lot of 80-95% blue Districts, and Red Team has many more 52-48% red districts yielding an advantage for control of the U.S. House of Representatives. This regularly drives them nuts, and you will see them spout nonsense about the “House popular vote” meaning comparing all of the votes cast for the candidates of both parties on a Nationwide basis to show that even when the Republicans take the House, the Democrats got “more (aggregated) votes.”

    They’d surely like to spread some of that overabundance of their voters into the closer red districts to flip them. Mr. Obama floated strong-armed affordable housing policies in the suburbs which would colonize nice overwhelmingly white suburbs with urban blacks. But that is, perhaps, too obvious a scheme and one that causes backlash – after all, the only way that middle class whites are able to talk about race is in coded, plausibly deniable language about “good schools” and “open space.” But what if they engineered a second urban crime wave that drove white, college indoctrinated gentrifiers back into their parents suburbs? While these people might have some sort of lizard brain understanding that they’re fleeing black crime and largely black underclass social pathology laid bare, they’re likely brainwashed enough to be embarrassed by having fled blacks for the suburbs and therefore unlikely to resolve the cognitive dissonance by voting for Team Red. In fact, they may double down on voting Team Blue as social cover for having abandoned the Cities and left the blacks behind. Now those 52-48% Red districts are in reach, and become 52-48% blue districts for a generation.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Reg Cæsar
  66. res says:
    @Ben tillman

    The victim did not engage in violence or threatening conduct.

    The video in the link I gave above shows the victim getting in the shooters face (pushing) and saying he would take the gun. Does that not qualify?
    https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/chad-read-shooting-the-facts-and-the-fallout/

    I find this profoundly sad. I suspect there was plenty of bad behavior on both sides leading up to this, but what should the homeowner (or renter?) do about a large angry man on his porch physically bullying him and then saying he is going to take the gun? And what should the man who is having his children kept from him do about it in an environment where family court tends to be stacked against fathers?

    BTW, did you notice that the shooter’s estranged wife is a district court judge? Adds an interesting wrinkle to this case.

    P.S. Your premeditated point is interesting. At what point does being prepared for a situation turn into premeditation? (serious question, I know you are a lawyer)

  67. @JimDandy

    Why does Soros want to see American cities descend into chaos?

    Soros AND Alexander his son are both instrumental in wanting that descent into darkness.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/george-soros-son-builds-a-pac-for-jewish-voters-117161

    https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/who-we-are/leadership/alexander-soros

    https://www.bendthearc.us/about

    • Thanks: Richard B
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Reg Cæsar
  68. Truth says:

    Steve, you haven’t heard? We have a brand new American Hero for our kids to look up to! (especially white kids).

    He championed the right to bear arms like Bernard Geotz,
    He stood his ground like George Zimmerman,
    Protected property from a tresspasser like the McMichael geniuses,
    And was handy with a weapon against an aggressive intruder like Rittenhouse.

    Definitely an Alpha Male!

    https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshho15XSq0lfPD7szmk

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Reg Cæsar
  69. @International Jew

    Next time someone tells you that capital punishment is an ineffective deterrent (because criminals aren’t forward-looking) just point to witness-murdering’s spectacular success at deterring criminals from testifying against one another.

    1. The existence of capital punishment results in murderers accepting more guilty pleas – it’s routine that a guilty plea is secured by horse trading away the possibility of a capital sentence. Capital punishment clearly deters murderers from taking their chances at a trial.

    2. I fear that the proliferation of well-funded post-conviction political projects which propose that lots of convicted criminals are innocent (rather than that corners were cut by police or prosecutors) and the decline of the possibility of capital punishment may give the impression that you can commit heinous crimes and have a chance at release if your case can be made famous by the right celebrities (while the Press suppresses inculpatory facts). The proportion of people who were truly innocent who were convicted of serious crimes is probably not significant – sure, there are cases in which the accomplice in the robbery left before the rape and murder and then got framed by his criminal compatriots for the rape and murder. But is this someone we consider truly innocent in the sense that exposing him to the faults of a human process and receiving more punishment than is merited is a gross injustice? These seem more like inevitable mistakes in any system, and mistakes in which the convicted was a primary author. They perhaps should be mitigated where possible, but they don’t shock the conscience in the way that someone convicted of murder who had nothing to do with any of it would.

  70. @JimDandy

    I can’t imagine why anyone would sincerely advocate swiftly turning over the names of informants to criminal defendants. Does that make me autistic?

    Why does Soros pursue such inhumane policies? I’ve asked this question a number of times before in this space. And confessed that I have no good answer. He’s not a communist, not a Zionist, not really a liberal, and not at all true to Popper’s open-society thought. Most precisely, he presents as an antinationalist (but what does that have to do with freeing rapists?).

    My best guess is that, despite his intelligence, he is a simplistic crackpot on social issues. He and his father were esperantists – one of the stupidest political movements in history: if everyone were to speak the same artificial language that would bring about international understanding and world peace. My second best guess is that, perhaps because of emotional scarring in his youth, he is an amoral Loki who takes pleasure in massive disruption. Third, perhaps the philanthropy is almost entirely aimed at manipulating asset prices in a manner that allows him to profit. Finally, Soros’ political profile is so preposterously incoherent that maybe he is a Sabbatean Frankist!

    Surely a person with so much influence on world events would draw the critical attention of top-quality journalists. Remarkably, I can find nothing. Not even celebrity-gossip treatment by someone like Kitty Kelley. Soros biographies are all hagiographic or how to get rich quick. There must be great fear of the man.

    A book is forthcoming from Bongino sidekick Matt Palumbo. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/11/08/matt_palumbo_how_george_soros_overhauled_the_us_justice_system.html# I hope it will shed some light. But it won’t be a major critical biography.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
  71. @JimDandy

    The nice thing about being a part of Soros’ group is the establishment as such always protects them.

    An example of this is, despite the chaos of South Africa and the danger it presents to surviving Afrikaners (and the various Bantus who also suffer more than they did before, even as the disproportionately criminal class), the gated communities of variously Jews, well connected Blacks, Coloreds, and Whites, all live quite happily in their “No Rainbows for me, but Rainbows for thee” State.

  72. Anon[111] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t know if this is common across states, but Alabama has a statute making witness killing a capital offense.

    https://judicial.alabama.gov/docs/library/docs/13A-5-40(a)(14).pdf

  73. @res

    P.S. Your premeditated point is interesting. At what point does being prepared for a situation turn into premeditation? (serious question, I know you are a lawyer)

    I don’t practice criminal law but in my understanding “premeditation” can occur in an instant. So entering the residence and returning with the rifle may in itself satisfy the requirement. Once he’s inside, and then returns outside to the argument, is the acquisition and subsequent use of deadly force reasonably necessary to protect himself or others? Or does he return with the rifle in order to win the argument and save face? I understand that Texas is more generous to the land owner where there is an incessant trespasser. On the other hand, it doesn’t seem like defending the shooter’s curtilage from trespass with deadly force is warranted.

    What I really don’t like is returning with the carbine and then bumping chests with the larger man. Once you have the firearm, you know that a fistfight is going to escalate into a shooting rather quickly. I think the better and more defensible course would have been to hold the rifle at low ready, order teal shirt to retreat and permit the shooter’s apparent mistress the opportunity to enter the residence unmolested by teal shirt.

    I think what the problem many are having with this one is that there seemed like opportunities to withdraw from the situation or deescalate it even if an argument can be made that there is no legal duty to have done so. I think normal people are going to be much more comfortable with situations which are clearly life-or-death “me or him” rather than situations in which a cooler head leaves everyone alive and well.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
  74. @Dan Hayes

    “Find the trend whose premise is false, and bet against it.” that’s one of the most famous Soros quotes.

    Perhaps the trend is that the justice department is there to serve justice, rather than to serve the justice department. That premise is obviously false, and he bet against it, big, and won.

    Of course, his bet shows the trend to be even more false, so maybe he has salted the earth for fellow “speculators” to “profit” from.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Inquiring Mind
  75. Anon7 says:

    The more general term seems to be “witness tampering”.

  76. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Soros profited *massively* from the UK taxpayer with regards to the John Major government deciding to join the ‘European Monetary System’ back in 1992.

    The EMS was, indeed, a perverse and false system – but a unamity of the so called ‘great and good’ in the UK fervently wanted to join it – including the *BIG* bastards at The Economist – hence the UK joined.
    I can’t help wondering at this point that perhaps Soros was in cahoots with The Economist editorial board in a highly calculated scheme to fleece the British taxpayer – with underhand payments involved.

  77. @Ben tillman

    Apart from the bit where little Kyle shoots the deck (not a smart move) because he’s being buffaloed at his own front door, and Bigboy grabs his gun by the barrel, having previously threatened to take it off him and do something thankfully inaudible to him with it.
    Did you watch the 01:00 to 01:30 segment?
    Orange haired men trying to grab rifle barrels from Kyles doesn’t seem to play out well this past couple of years.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  78. Mike Tre says:
    @res

    “The video in the link I gave above shows the victim getting in the shooters face (pushing) and saying he would take the gun. Does that not qualify?”

    Causality. He didn’t get into the shooter’s face until the shooter, you know, went and got the fucking gun and started threatening the soon to be dead man with it. Up to that point he showed no hint of physical aggression, kept his distance from both the woman and her boyfriend, and nor did he attempt to enter the premises. All the shooter had to do was call the police. Instead he chose to escalate the situation needlessly. You can call the dead man stupid for not running away, but if you’ve ever encountered the extreme frustration that goes along with the criminally bias courts that rule against fathers’ right to see their children, you might understand why he had reached “that point” and choose to stand up for what he believed in (that being his right to have his kid.)

    The circumstances of the custody orders play a big part in all of this. If the father was correct in saying that he was entitled to court ordered custody of the child at that particular moment of the confrontation, then his ex-wife was technically committing kidnapping and the boyfriend was aiding and abetting. Based on what I see in the video shot from the car I’d convict the shooter of second degree murder in a heartbeat.

    • Agree: Intelligent Dasein
    • Replies: @res
    , @Truth
  79. @Zoos

    Wow. This is sad. I understand that the Teal Shirt Guy was upset. He obviously thought his time with his son was getting messed with – that’s upsetting. And ruining visitation is a common practice by women involved. But not running after that warning shot from a long gun – not smart.

    That said, the self-defense claim seems strong. It’s Texas.

    Although the shooter could have attempted some first-aid…

    • Replies: @Zoos
  80. @New Dealer

    I’ve wondered whether Soros could be a cat’s paw for China. It would be easy for China to channel funds to him discreetly, through insider trading and such. Certainly he seems to be doing a great job of destroying the US for them.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    , @Veteran Aryan
  81. As the brothers say…

    “Snitches get ditches.”

  82. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @New Dealer

    As a youngster (he is probably a few years older than his official birth year of 1935), Georg Schwartz (later Soros) grew up in the immediate aftermath of the interwar upheavals in Hungary – the dismantling of Hungary’s territory instigated by Woodrow Wilson, the brutal but short-lived Communist dictatorship under Bela Kun in 1919, the subsequent “White Terror,” the Horthy dictatorship, and the world economic crisis.

    Young Georg himself experienced the National Socialists’ take-over of Hungary in 1944 to prevent Hungary’s defection to the Allies, and by his own testimony enthusiastically helped the occupying forces identify Jewish residents for deportation and annihilation. Young Georg internalized the new rulers’ “will to power” and to learn the techniques of the (still) impressive, well-organized German National Socialists.

    It is important to understand that the upper reaches of the Austria-Hungarian bourgeoisie including the Schwartz family will have been transitioning from speaking German among themselves to speaking Hungarian even at home while retaining German as the language of education, and giving their children an excellent education in English (and likely good French and Russian). Not surprisingly, then, National Socialist literature including “Mein Kampf” published in Hitler’s name and more technical “how-to” writings by National Socialists and Soviet communists will have become the major planks of Soros’ early political education.

  83. @Alfa158

    Soros and the millions who think like him want to destroy the existing society and replace it with the new and better one in their blueprints.

    I’m convinced these idiots think building and creating a new society is as simple as degrading and destroying the existing society.

    It’s not.

  84. @Harry Baldwin

    On Amazon I compared Soros biographies to Kissinger biographies. Soros’ are few, shallow, reverent. Kissinger’s are many, most are serious and analytic, and the serious ones range from supportive to neutral to critical.

    Scholars and journalists don’t fear writing about powerful Kissinger, but they do fear writing about powerful Soros.

  85. JimDandy says:
    @New Dealer

    Thanks. Maybe my problem is that I can’t accept that he is driven to do the things he does because he is simply a crackpot on social issues. When it comes to Soros, I keep asking Cui bono? Does that make me autistic?

    Don’t get me wrong–I appreciate your answer. I just find it odd that no one seems to really know. Does Kevin MacDonald have a position on this? A lot has been made lately of “Globalists” working to destroy “Nationalists”–pushing America into social upheaval and economic collapse would pave the way for extremely authoritarian Oligarchy and a “great reset” I guess.

    This is very true and crazy:

    “Surely a person with so much influence on world events would draw the critical attention of top-quality journalists. Remarkably, I can find nothing.”

    Newt Gingrich mentioned Soros on Fox awhile back, and the black anchorwoman shat a brick and shut him down. I saw real terror on her face.

    • Thanks: New Dealer
  86. JimDandy says:
    @Zoos

    I’m getting disagrees in response to my statement that this looks like an open-and-shut self-defense case. I could be wrong. But why I’m wrong? I’m not saying what he did was right. I’m saying a guy came onto his property ranting and raving and giving signs that he might get violent. He refused to get off the property. The home owner came out with a gun. The trespasser came at the man, ignored a warning shot, and attempted to take away the gun. He ended up getting shot.

  87. Rob says:
    @res

    Res, you are a smart guy, maybe you’ll know/be able to figure this out. Why do news programs take the left and right sides of cell phone video, blur them, and split them to either side of cell phone video? It makes it difficult to see what’s actually happening. Is that the point? So they can claim to be showing us “what really happened,” but we are actually dependent on their editorializing? I’ve thought about this off and on for a while, snd this is the only reason I can come up with.

    Every news channel does this, it seems. I’ve seen cell phone videos in news clips from across the country, I’ve seen one that did not do it. Sadly, I saw it live on tv and was so taken aback that I did not pay attention to the context. It was probably just a video editor’s lapse, but maybe it was the exception that proves a rule.

    • Replies: @res
  88. Anonymous[950] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, a shitpile of dank, feral negro’s attacked a Home Depot in sleepy Lakewood yesterday, stealing sledge hammers, construction hammers, and crowbars.

    Gee… I wonder if they plan to sell them to demolition crews on eBay?

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  89. JimDandy says:
    @Truth

    Ah, thanks for mentioning Rittenhouse. Every time I hear that name it’s like feeling the sun shining on my skin. How glorious it is that Kyle is a free man and two scum-of-the-earth Antifa pigs are dead. God bless the Ar-15.

  90. res says:
    @Mike Tre

    Causality.

    There was a clear process of escalation. Who bears what responsibility for each part of that is complicated. Especially without knowing the larger context and history. What is clear is that the assertion I responded to: “The victim did not engage in violence or threatening conduct.” was false.

    As you note, the custody details are important. As are all sorts of context issues. Why did this happen now? Was there a history of contentious pickups? How were those handled?

    Did either party call the police? There was a “call 911” comment on the video, but that was about the altercation, not about custody AFAICT. It seems to me if one party had a strong legal case they would (should?) have been the one(s) to retreat to a safe distance and call the police. The scenario you describe with kidnapping (and a weapon involved) seems serious enough to get response if that is an accurate assessment.

    The more useful questions I see have to do with how to prevent this sort of thing happening during child pickup. Any ideas there?

    if you’ve ever encountered the extreme frustration that goes along with the criminally bias courts that rule against fathers’ right to see their children, you might understand why he had reached “that point” and choose to stand up for what he believed in (that being his right to have his kid.)

    Not personally, but I have some exposure indirectly. It sucks and I understand (intellectually, and to some degree emotionally). You noticed my comment about family court bias, right?

    That being (to my thinking) a significant likely contributing factor is the saddest thing about this. I wonder if the local family court people think this was a desirable outcome for the child. And whether they consider the possibility they may have some responsibility for these events. Any thoughtful person should be able to see and understand that pushing people to their limits with regards to their children is going to CREATE additional problems (in at least some cases).

    P.S. Even if this had gone down in a non-fatal fashion, the father was not doing himself any favors here. Incidents like that are raw meat for the family court lions. And you know whose side they will take.

  91. Truth says:
    @JimDandy

    That’s right, blow those annoying little rugrat’s daddy AWAY!

    We need to protect property and the 2nd ammendment, he was worned one time and allthough that hero backed up 15 feet, he didn’t know how fast that guy could run! (I’ve seen his picture up close, he looked like he mighta had a little colored in him, but you ain’t heard it from me).

    I’m glad there are still some real Americans in this site like me, and the greates American of all, The Duke (God rest his ever-luvin’ soul).

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  92. Muggles says:

    Useful observation about witness murdering is that it seems likely that it affects far more Hispanics and blacks than Whites.

    True. witnesses eligible to be murdered can be of any and all races, but I suspect that murdered witnesses are usually the same race as the perp(s) who want to murder them.

    Since aside from the old Mafia and most biker gangs, nearly all criminal gangs today (drugs, etc.) are run by non Whites, in their own neighborhoods or areas, most witnesses to hits or crimes are also non Whites, probably often neighbors or even relatives of gang members.

    So indifference and even aiding/abetting witness murdering (a la the NY law) is disproportionately dangerous and harmful to non Whites. Racism?

    Elite left/progressive/commie White political activists/funders are fueling the killing of non Whites, mainly. Yet they continue to champion this practice by passing laws that make it easier to do.

    The relevant question to ponder is why White leftists champion non White criminals (and the occasional White crook) at the expense of mainly “Criminals of Color” victims or witnesses?

    Will the New York Times be running a series explaining all of that?

    • Replies: @Thea
  93. res says:
    @Rob

    This?
    https://www.typologycentral.com/threads/why-do-so-many-videos-have-blurry-sides-and-clear-focus-in-the-middle.76754/

    What’s up with this trend where the sides of a video are blurry? from OutOfTheLoop

    If so, it seems to be the way video editors have chosen to handle the mismatched aspect ratios of portrait video from cellphones and landscape HDTVs.

    Visually flashy with inferior information presentation… Sounds like TV news to me.

    I tend to try to avoid both news programs and videos so have not thought much about it.

    • Replies: @Rob
  94. Truth says:
    @Mike Tre

    Causality. He didn’t get into the shooter’s face until the shooter, you know, went and got the fucking gun and started threatening the soon to be dead man with it. Up to that point he showed no hint of physical aggression, kept his distance from both the woman and her boyfriend, and nor did he attempt to enter the premises. All the shooter had to do was call the police. Instead he chose to escalate the situation needlessly. You can call the dead man stupid for not running away, but if you’ve ever encountered the extreme frustration that goes along with the criminally bias courts that rule against fathers’ right to see their children, you might understand why he had reached “that point” and choose to stand up for what he believed in (that being his right to have his kid.)

    I’m sick n’ tarred of you gat-damn tree hugger and yer gat-damn lib-ur-uhl Mamby-Pamby foolishness, aint you got a gat-damn spotted owl to save from a logger, or a whale ta un-beach or sum’m?

    Now look here Barack, God made man, Samuel Colt made man equal, if you don’t want yur gat-damn tookus filled with lead, don’t step up onna nuther man’s property makin’ threats! you understand me, you long-haird pinko-commie fag?!?

    Rittenhouse, McMichel, this feller here, even that kike 20 years ago who killed a cupla shoe-shines on the subway up in Noo York, that’s what this country was made of, natchur gat-dam LGPD where parades, were all yur gat damn buddies from cosmopoligy school play dressup tryin’a look like Dolly Parton, comprende Uh-Me-go?!?

    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
  95. J.Ross says:

    From gasoline to public safety, from Afghanistan to the CIA getting mopped up in China, from the unloading crisis to the lockdowns, has there ever been a more stark case of retards insisting they’re “the professionals,” taking power, and objectively screwing everything up?

    • Agree: Old Prude
  96. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Zoos

    An example of the very messy personal lives of what amounts to the Upper Middle class. Judges don’t marry the underclass, and the shooter in the video is the estranged husband of a judge.

    Insta Divorce and kids are a poor mix. As is Insta Marriage. And marriage based on superficial characteristics not long term compatibility. Of course, this is what you get when lady tingles uber alles.

    I am thankful for the video as its a lesson on what not to do.
    ——-
    As for Soros, he and his ilk want a perfect society. To do that they must destroy this one. They really do believe Wakanda is real, and can be achieved here with a mass orgy of killing. One might even suspect that the mass killing is the real motivation and the utopia just the excuse.

    A Sabbatean Frankist? What another Gnostic Heresy like the Cathars, the Heaven’s Gate suicide cult, Jonestown, etc? Yes sounds right.

  97. J.Ross says:
    @JimDandy

    Ah, there it is. “Warning shots” are illegal.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  98. @Clifford Brown

    The Dems have run both houses of the New York state legislature for several years now, and they have gone Full Progressive.
    Illegal to discriminate against a hairstyle? Check.
    All municipal and utility employee must now address trannies with their chosen names and pronouns? Check.
    Allow 16-year-olds to register as voters? Check.
    Quick discovery in criminal cases? Check.
    Reduce necessity of cash bail for release pending trial? Check.

    They have not yet imitated California in a de facto legalization of shoplifting, nor have they imitated New York City in allowing non-citizens to vote (the city council vote on this will be held Dec. 9, I expect it to pass), but give them time, give them time.
    I never thought I would miss Cuomo II, but he was not a complete fool, and he understood that if the Legislature got too crazily Woke, people and businesses would simply pack up and leave, taking their productivity and their taxability with them.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  99. It would be wise for an outed-informant to arm himself, and at his own expense. (Gun laws make it harder for him to self-defend.) An otherwise-criminal informant is not a credible witness. He should not have a role in a prosecution (and not have gun rights).

    A politician (always a crook) should not even be allowed to hire a private (given a cop!) bodyguard.

  100. Flip says:
    @anon

    Leftists and national socialists want no competition for the state.

    “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.”
    -Mussolini

  101. Hibernian says:
    @Ben tillman

    Unfortunately, from 1996 to 2004, in the person of a fellow Hibernian, although not a good one, Terrence Hallinan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Hallinan

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  102. @Truth

    I’m with you on this one.

  103. Mike Tre says:
    @res

    ““The victim did not engage in violence or threatening conduct.” was false.”

    The problem with this statement is that it lacks chronological context. The shooter* initiated the threatening conduct by retrieving his firearm. The “violence” the dead man displayed was a reaction to having a gun pulled on him! Up to that point yeah he was shouting, but what was he shouting? He was shouting about taking everyone to court. That doesn’t seem like the type of threat uttered right before committing an unprovoked assault. If anything, the dead man’s attempt to disarm the shooter can be interpreted as self defense at that point.

    Does the dead man bear responsibility for his part in the situation. Yes. Citations for trespassing and even restraining orders filed, but he took no action that justified being killed. Not even close.

    The police should have been called and if they weren’t then it was a failure by all present and they all share blame for this man’s death. A child also lost their father over it.

    The specifics of the custody orders are extremely important in answering all of the questions you pose as well and it’s my opinion that they should contribute significantly as to how law enforcement authorities issue charges against the shooter and the mother, if any.

    Maybe the dead man had a history of pulling stunts like this, or maybe the mother had a history of violating the parameters of the custody order and keeping this guy from seeing his kid. I got the impression from her reactions that he was mostly accurate in his accusations. She doesn’t really deny anything he says.

    *And as an aside “warning shots” pretty much violate every rule of engagement taught by firearm instructors in any official or legitimate organization or entity. They are also illegal in most places, IIRC. Nobody with a clue about handling firearms should be referring to his use of a warning shot as prudent. It was stupid for what should be obvious reasons and imo, makes it look like he was itching to shoot someone.

    “The more useful questions I see have to do with how to prevent this sort of thing happening during child pickup.”

    Maybe not have the pick up location be at the mother’s boyfriend’s house. A neutral location is best.

    Your comments on this, as all of your comments, are thoughtful and even tempered and I appreciate your replies even if I don’t always agree. I agree the father didn’t do himself any favors, and had he lived and the judge presiding over their custody case saw the video, it would probably do a lot of damage to his case. But to get shot dead because he was showing frustration? No way.

  104. JimDandy says:

    You’re throwing a histrionic tantrum like Truth, or you think the shooter should be found guilty of a crime. If it’s the latter, what crime?

  105. I can’t think of a single case where a witness in a ghetto shooting has been murdered. I’m gonna call BS on the idea that everyone’s afraid to get involved. Much more likely is that 1) being a witness involves going to court and not getting paid, which removes a key incentive, 2) these are people who despise cops and courts to begin with, and would rather see a murderer go free than help their enemy and 3) many witnesses have tainted pasts that they would rather not see ventilated in public.

    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind
  106. Gabe Ruth says:
    @International Jew

    Does the woman think he’s pretending to be hurt? Maybe that he was hit with a bean bag? The post shooting reactions seem completely surreal.

  107. Gabe Ruth says:
    @Zoos

    The immediate fall after the shooting seems… cinematic. Just like that he’s dead, and then nobody around seems to think anything should be done with any urgency. Weird.

  108. Mike Tre says:
    @Truth

    Thank you Troof, for pointing out the explicit difference between people like me and people like you.

    You see, I have no problem holding my fellow whites accountable for the crimes they commit. You on the other hand, make excuses and whataboutisms for the perpetual negro violence that is categorized here daily. Serious question: Do you really think all of the excuses and justifications and leniency protects blacks from crime, or subjects them to more of it? Never mind, don’t bother.

    The ironic things is, if it came down to one of either yours or my way of running things, my way would certainly save a hell of a lot more negro lives than yours would.

  109. @Harry Baldwin

    Don’t forget the opening of the prisons and mental institutions. There are more cops on the subway now, but they simply watch the severely mentally ill instead of scooping them up as they have since the 1990’s. Policing is now reactive, not proactive.

    Eccentric New York mayoral candidate Curtis Sliwa was absolutely correct that this “hands off” approach to the mentally ill and broken is anything but compassionate. It’s infuriating.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  110. @TomSchmidt

    You mean there is money to be made in betting against the whole Global Warming/Climate Change/Climate Emergency mania?

    But that is back to the old saying about “the stock market can remain irrational (think of the market cap of Tesla) longer than you can stay solvent”?

  111. @Joe Stalin

    Soros AND Alexander his son are both instrumental in wanting that descent into darkness.

    Alex’s foundation gave a prize to an individual named Chut Wutty. Not for the name, which deserves one, but for losing his life in physically interfering with deforestation.

    BLOG | 26 ខែ មេសា ឆ្នាំ 2017 Five years since the murder of our friend Chut Wutty

    Chut Wutty = Tut! Why cut?

    Among the foundation’s initial grantees are… the National Domestic Workers Alliance, which represents the rights of 2.5 million domestic workers in the U.S.

    …to compete against domestic domestic workers.

    There are two million domestic workers in the US, most of whom are immigrants and women of color. They are a very diverse and largely overlooked group, and most make less than 13 dollars an hour.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Domestic_Workers_Alliance
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Soros

    Outrageous. Their legal wage must be set at many times that if they’re aliens. Middle-class Americans can beat their own rugs. (And children, should they have any.)

    Dad, Sis, and Big (Half) Brother Jonathan openly support the most anti-white organization in the land. Dad supports the “rights” of intruder Mohammedan Arab “Palestinians” and a “two-state solution.” In which of these two states will indigenous Christians be at home?

    This one sick, evil family!

  112. JimDandy says:
    @J.Ross

    Ok, charge him with that and he’ll argue the shot was fired off as an accident because an out-of-control, much larger man was physically pushing him and roaring “USE IT, MOTHERFUCKER, CUZ GODDAMMIT, I’LL TAKE IT FROM YOU!” The aggressive man then tried to follow through on this threat–he made a move to take the gun, touched the gun, and as the man holding the gun pulled the weapon out of reach and then pointed it at the ground, a shot went off. The trespasser who refused an order to leave private property then made a more aggressive move to take the gun away–wrestled for the gun–but the man with the gun managed to escape from his grasp and within a second shot the aggressive, threatening man.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  113. @Joe Stalin

    The Soroses (what is the correct Esperanto plural?) also condemn some apocryphal phantasm called “Islamophobia”– that Sasquatch, that chupacabra of geopolitics. Like the true enemies of the West they are!

  114. @Expletive Deleted

    and Bigboy grabs his gun by the barrel, having previously threatened to take it off him and do something thankfully inaudible to him with it.

    If someone is brandishing a weapon at you, then attempting to grab it might be an act of engaging is self-defense rather than an act of infringing upon another’s right to self-defense. I don’t think the shooter has any legitimate claim to self-defense here. This was murder.

  115. Thea says:
    @Muggles

    Our esteemed host has often commented on the chattering class’s lack of interest in the reality of cultures south of the border. If we don’t know about certain kinds of murder being common in certain places then we don’t need to look for certain suspects.

    Recently, some women wrote about some ancient way to doing things from the Mayan empire. She referred to it multiple times as traditional “Latin” American culture. They really are that dumb. Those old Mayans, driving around in Roman chariots and wearing togas on the way to the forum.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  116. @res

    Whole situation had been pre-steamed by the women. “Let’s you and him fight“.

    AnnMarie? the ex-, and mother of the absent kid. They could have let the bull into the china shop no problem. Hey man, this is just my house, and the kid is elsewhere despite me being obliged to have him here at the appointed time (Tealman berserks, eats siding, shits on rug (he seemed either drunk or drugged) punches AnnMarie to pulp; how’s that gonna look in “Family” Court?

    Tealman’s female videographer
    (new piece, mom, cousin whatever, who seemed quite remarkably unfazed by the unfolding !Drama!
    : Men, avoid bipolarnarcissisticbyaches, they live for this shit).

    Squatty girl that Tealman was yelling at? She seemed quite used to his behaviour, and valiantly unimpressed as he shat his life away in front of her.

    Kyle v2 will likely go away forever, and Tealy is unavailable for comment ; except it’s Texas. Who can tell?

  117. @Truth

    Clumsy. But keep trying, there’s a good little fellow. One day ..

    • Replies: @Truth
  118. JimDandy says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Oh, Yay, another VIGILANTE takes the law into his own hands! That kid had no BUSINESS with a firearm in the FIRST PLACE! Can’t wait for all the Second Amendment nuts to show up cheering about a CHILD using GUN to MURDER a man! And for WHAT?! To save his Grandma?!! She was OLD!!!!!!! How much time could she have had left? Ugh, welcome to Donald Trump’s America.

  119. Rob McX says:

    [The victim’s] son Randolph Bunn, the great-uncle of the child who fired the gun…

    Bunn said the child fired at the intruder who “just shot his grandma”…

    What? Trying to follow the kinship trails in these crime reports makes my head spin.

  120. Zoos says:
    @JimDandy

    I’m getting disagrees in response to my statement that this looks like an open-and-shut self-defense case. I could be wrong. But why I’m wrong? I’m not saying what he did was right. I’m saying a guy came onto his property ranting and raving and giving signs that he might get violent. He refused to get off the property. The home owner came out with a gun. The trespasser came at the man, ignored a warning shot, and attempted to take away the gun. He ended up getting shot

    The criticisms you’re receiving are due to the fact that logic, and Texas law, isn’t for everyone.

    The dealbreaker for the possibility of the man being charged is when the unrelenting aggressor got in the victim’s personal space and said, “I’m going to take your gun…” and then something hard for me to discern, though I suspect it was unpleasant.

    I’m just astounded at the collective casual reaction, by all concerned parties, of a man’s life being wiped off the face of the planet, even by his wife. They acted as if he got maxed, rather than eliminated from our good earth for eternity.

    But… we’re talking about Texas. Texans have a different mindset, and that’s just how they roll down there. I’ve known that since I was a kid. Don’t fuck around in Texas. Texans drink hard, they play hard, and they shoot you in the face hard. Their legal system supports it, when push comes to shove on a man’s front porch.

    Conclusion: When an angry armed Texan says stop… just stop.

    • Agree: Expletive Deleted
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  121. JimDandy says:
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Haha, turn the cities into unlivable hellholes and drive the urban liberals into the red suburbs as a form of gerrymandering. I’ve heard Texans grumble that something tantamount to that is happening to their state due to the disintegration of California. So, Soros plans to profit by “churning” urban real estate and he is so relentlessly driven to help Team Blue because?

  122. Zoos says:
    @mikeInThe716

    That said, the self-defense claim seems strong. It’s Texas.

    Although the shooter could have attempted some first-aid…

    You’re funny!

    You know what those rounds did to that man’s guts? Ever had tapioca pudding?
    Now you know. And as you implied, Texas is a state of mind. If you’re not down
    with it, there’s 50 other states to choose from.

  123. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s a well known aspect of the Sixth amendment (confronting accusers) that a disadvantage is the possibility of witness intimidation.

    P.s. A Google search on “witness intimidation” finds lots of relevant links to the general topic we are discussing here.

  124. I do not believe the assertion that they were solving 90% of murders in those neighborhoods at any time in the past.

    The most common statement from a potential witness would be “I didn’t see nothin’”.

  125. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Blue Team has a lot of 80-95% blue Districts, and Red Team has many more 52-48% red districts yielding an advantage for control of the U.S. House of Representatives.

    This is called gerrymandering, after the ancestor of Gerry Studds (D-Provinthtown). Democrats wanted black districts, so crafty Republicans gave them that. As in all-black districts. This is why Southern white Democrats disappeared in the House. It was quite a struggle to pry this back.

    The same thing happened with the goo-goo fad of “regional government”. The easiest and fastest way to do that in this country is through city-county consolidation– Miami, Jacksonville, Indianapolis.

    “Wait, we didn’t mean elective regional government!”

  126. @Dan Hayes

    Give the Devil his due: Soros seems to have been the first to realize that DAs were the weak links in the criminal justice chain and could be easily subverted. The rest is disastrous judicial history.

    Before that, it was secretaries of state, the weak links in the vote-counting chain. One of those put Al Franken in the Senate.

    Where is he donating now? What other dull-but-powerful offices are there to buy?

  127. @Clifford Brown

    Thanks for posting the video. This is extraordinary, moving stuff. Sliwa completely turned around a dangerous situation. Unfortunately, I never saw that side of Sliwa during the campaign (of course, the msm largely silenced him); his many appearances on NY1 “news” over the years were typically clownish; and he failed to do things that would have helped him, like emphasizing Eric Adams’ longtime connection (and probable membership in) the black supremacist murder cult, the nation of islam; or call for respecting New Yorkers’ right to self-defense.

    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2021/11/breaking-news-alert-new-york-city-is.html

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  128. Old Prude says:
    @Anonymous

    They were just getting gear to go jogging

  129. Dan Hayes says:
    @Hibernian

    Hallinan’s Wiki biography shows him to be literally insane.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  130. @Harry Baldwin

    I’ve wondered whether Soros could be a cat’s paw for China.

    Soros is basically at war with China. I think he may actually want to destroy them even worse than he wants to destroy the West. But, unlike with Western countries, you can’t simply buy political influence there. Probably the very source of his ire.

  131. Tex says:
    @JimDandy

    Why does Soros want to see American cities descend into chaos?

    Blacks commit lots of crime. Pretty much every law-abiding black person is related to someone who has done some serious felonies. That makes crime a black issue, as in a lot of them are pro-crime, or at least pro-criminal if only on behalf of their kin.

    Blacks are also the left’s shock troops. As documented by our host, crime is their proven method of subduing whites to take over their neighborhoods. Whites are not the left’s shock troops. A big chunk of them hate the left and are quite conservative.

    So for a leftist, what seems like insane, counter productive pro-crime policies are quite rational and very beneficial. Their hardest-core supporters are rewarded, the population that supports them least is punished, and incidentally social dysfunction is the bread and butter of leftist-dominated NGOs.

    Soros is the provider of the sinews of war for the left, the arsenal of progressivism, the big cheese of moneymen. Like a lot of moneymen, he’s a hard-headed sort. So he spends his money where it does the most good.

    What his ultimate goal is seems reasonably clear at this point. The permanent dominance of the hard left over all aspects of politics, economy, culture, and family life. What’s not to like about that?

  132. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes

    He’s not anything right now–he’s dead. When alive, he had some signs of mental issues, but was never “literally” diagnosed as insane.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  133. @Intelligent Dasein

    Projection, as Maestro Steve has said, is Freud’s only useful idea. In your case, it’s very relevant.

  134. @Zoos

    This is a divorced bitch children withholding murder. The wrong people got murdered.

    • Agree: JMcG, Clyde
    • Replies: @Clyde
  135. @Verymuchalive

    Projection, as Maestro Steve has said, is Freud’s only useful idea.

    Sublimation of erotic desire to higher purpose is another one. Though hardly original to him; monks had been practicing it for centuries.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  136. @Nicholas Stix

    We don’t really know who Eric Adams is, and likely neither does Eric Adams. He is an eccentric. Adams is much less ideological than De Blasio which means that he will likely follow the money. While this is not ideal, it is superior to the current Mayor who is corrupt, but also invested in some radical ideologies. Adams will likely have some corruption issues and is not a visionary leader, but he is not by any measure a radical leftist.

    Sliwa is kind of clownish and more of a gadfly than a politician. That being said, Sliwa has been on the New York streets fighting crime for more than forty years and he has real skills in violence de-escalation and dealing with the mentally ill.

    The guy gives off some real zen/ saint like vibes….

    Śliwa confronts a knife while campaigning in The Bronx. No problem.

    Sliwa talking to the drug addicts now allowed outside Penn Station. He is a man of compassion.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Nicholas Stix
  137. Truth says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    Ur you anothur one’a eez gat-damn Pinko Vlad-a-meerz invadin’ this gat-dam country, I wish all of you sensitive lib-ur-uhl fags would stay in Baus-tin, Noo York and the rest uh-em gat-damn Eastern states.
    Boooyaaay, you gat-damn cretin’s are a-multiplyin like gat-dam bol-WEE-bulls after a Joo-LIE rainshower.

    Nah I ain’t the biggest lover’a niggers mah-SELF, but at least they got a gat-damn God-given purpose unlike you limp-wrist anti-faggs, they can run aroun’ with a football, just faahn, what the hell kin you do other than match yur gat-dam fingernails with yur toes, and sang koom-bay-yah whenever a keed tears a wing off a gat-damn butterflah!

  138. JimDandy says:
    @Zoos

    Yeah, I agree with much–maybe all–of what you’re saying, but the guy who came out with the gun might have had good reason to fear that the now-dead man might get violent. I don’t know. I know that as a general rule, cops are very wary about dealing with men like the now-dead guy. He was angrily getting in the face of the woman and had basically challenged the smaller man to do something about it–in other words saying, “What are you gonna do? Nothing.” He emasculated the man and was acting in an aggressive manner towards his girlfriend.

    So, he got the gun. And the bigger man tried to take it. I think he would have been crazy to let him take it.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  139. @Clifford Brown

    Śliwa

    Śliwa means “plum” in Polish. At least he’s not a śliwka suszona… yet.

    …is kind of clownish and more of a gadfly than a politician.

    Lisa even more so. Curtis has been married four times. He is the first person I’d heard of being wed at Schoharie County’s Howe Caverns. How(e) prole can you get?

  140. @Thea

    Those old Mayans, driving around in Roman chariots and wearing togas on the way to the forum.

    Infamy! Infamy!! They’ve all got it in for me!!!

  141. @Clifford Brown

    Thanks for the additional Sliwa videos. Yes, he’s amazing.

    As for Adams, he knows what he’s about, and he’s plenty ideological.

    “Is the black supremacist Murder Cult, the nation of islam, Poised to Seize Power in New York City?”
    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2021/06/is-black-supremacist-murder-cult-nation.html

  142. @JimDandy

    You’re wrong because Texas law says you’re wrong.

    The adulterer was 100% safe when he pulled the trigger. That means it’s not self-defense.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Truth
    , @Clyde
  143. @Verymuchalive

    Projection does not mean what you think it means. It has a technical definition, you know. It refers specifically to a certain dynamic that takes place between the patient and the analyst in the course of psychotherapy. As the patient becomes more aware of his or her motivations and as long-repressed, proscribed emotions begin to enter the conscious mind, it is typical for the patient to accuse the analyst of being salacious or morbid or whatnot, due to the uncomfortable and jarring experience of these emotions and the analyst’s ability to elicit them. It is considered a normal step in the progression to self-awareness.

    That, anyway, is how Freudians use the term. The vernacular definition that you’re using is just another synonym in a loose assemblage of terms subscribed under the general heading of hypocrisy. That certainly isn’t original to Freud; in fact, it’s as old as time.

    It would be better to pick one of those other words instead of further diluting the technical definition of projection. Indeed, the whole “projection” thing is one of the most overused tropes on the internet, and its ubiquity is made even more annoying by the fact that nobody who uses it seems to know what the hell they’re talking about.

    But more to the point, “Lance Welton” really is an idiot. He was the one writing all those baseless articles about racial disparities in Covid infections. He thinks that the whole of humanity is in a crisis of broad-based genetic disintegration. His grasp of science is utterly moronic but he brick-lays his way through his articles with an unreflective plebian confidence that his childish views are substantially the same as James Watson’s. A strange fellow, to say the least. He wouldn’t merit anyone’s attention were it not for the fact that White Identitarians have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for content generators.

  144. @JimDandy

    The killer INVITED the victim onto the property by harboring the victim’s criminal ex-wife. He wasn’t a trespasser. He was an LEO.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  145. @JimDandy

    Bullshit. Everything you said is stupid as shit. Fuck you.

    The victim had no interest in the adulterer. The adulterer, however, decided to kill him in cold blood.

    • Agree: Intelligent Dasein
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  146. JimDandy says:
    @ben tillman

    I guess that’s why no charges were filed. But don’t worry, with enough Karens like you emoting, I’m sure they’ll come back with some kind of charges, so it will go to trial and the shooter will get off–just like my hero, Kyle Rittenhouse. When a larger man has promised to take your gun from you, and then acts on that promise, you are 0% safe. Nice try, though.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  147. JimDandy says:
    @ben tillman

    The man who married a woman who was too young for him and out of his league made many fatal mistakes and suffered the ultimate humiliation of being vanquished by the younger dude who took his lady. Sad.

  148. JimDandy says:
    @ben tillman

    He told him to leave. It’s all on video, sunshine. What are the kids are saying nowadays? Oh yeah: facts don’t care about your feelings.

    • Replies: @Alden
  149. Alden says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I disagree. The affirmative action act of 1968 is the worst and most destructive law ever passed by Congress.

  150. Alden says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Before Chesa Boudin parachuted in to town, San Francisco has its own home grown 3rd generation communist District Attorney. Terence Hallinan. Hi didn’t campaign on criminal justice reform.But within a week he fired all the senior ADAs Crime flourished for 8 years. .

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  151. @Reg Cæsar

    I agree on both counts. Projection and sublimation have been recognised by observers long before Freud. Likewise, Jungs ideas of archetypes are not original to him but originated with the Ancient Greeks.

  152. Alden says:

    Teal shirt Dad wasn’t even non criminal trespassing. He had a court ordered right to be on black shirt shooters property at 3:15 pm that particular day to pick up his child. Black shirt violated a family court order by refusing teal shirt dad access to his child.

    It’s a growing trend in family court to order kids be turned over to non custodial parent in the nearest police department parking lot. With a copy of the order sent to the local PD. To warn them that another pair of battling EXs are on the way.

    Some attorney should sue black shirt for everything he’s got and all future earnings and assets on behalf of the kids for wrongful death. Don’t need a criminal conviction or even charge to win a wrongful death suit.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  153. Alden says:
    @JimDandy

    Teal shirt was not trespassing. There was a family court order that teal shirt go to that property to pick up his child at 3:15 pm that particular day. Part of the order was that mother turn child over to dad at 3:15 that particular day.

    And mom’s boyfriend step father who ever the killer is had no business interfering in the child’s parents squabbles.

    In fact, black shirt killer violated the family court order by not allowing teal shirt to pick up the child.

    Now there seems to be another court squabble on the way. Between teal shirt’s widow and the mother of teal shirt’s child. Over who gets the kid and the welfare check. Step mothers and dad’s girl friends have no rights over their partners kids. Any more than the step fathers and mom’s boyfriends have rights over the kids.

    • Agree: Clyde, JMcG
  154. Clyde says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Offhand I am blaming the shooter. He abruptly stepped away 5 feet and shot the older man. This means he could have stepped away 25 feet and disengaged. It seems this deadly drama was created by Mr Shooter/Killer and his girlfriend. The divorcee girlfriend was withholding her baby from the party that came over to get the baby via their visitation rights. This party included the now dead man.

    IOW a woman was screwing around with her ex’s child visitation rights. How often does this happen for vengeance? Lots! Women of Unz/Alden/Rosie must rise to the occasion. Are you up for defending this woman?

    • Replies: @Alden
  155. Clyde says:
    @Alden

    Thanks… I agree 100%. As I posted, if black shirt can quickly step away 5 feet to get enough room to shoot teal shirt with his rifle. Then black shirt could have stepped away 25 feet to defuse this incident. Black shirt should be prosecuted. At minimum, he will be paying out tens of thousands to lawyers as this case gets investigated by The Law, and when he gets hit with a wrongful death civil suit.

    Both men were performing for their women when neither backed down.

    • Replies: @res
  156. Clyde says:
    @james wilson

    This is a divorced bitch children withholding murder. The wrong people got murdered.

    I agree with your first sentence. Truth! But no one should have gotten killed. Blame lies 100% with divorced bitch, an idiot who undoubtedly has other petty vengeances on the back burner. Has a history of them against her ex-husband. Another problem is that the courts are too busy to come down on women and men who play mind games on exs via visitation rights. In this case, her guerilla warfare against her ex ended up in a killing. In my book a murder. Bitch now has 100% custody, so this all works out for her.

    • Replies: @Alden
  157. Clyde says:
    @JimDandy

    When a larger man has promised to take your gun from you, and then acts on that promise, you are 0% safe. Nice try, though.

    Look at the video again, you must see the one shot from a good angle. You will see that the larger teal shirt man made a pathetic attempt to grab the rifle. It was not serious at all!
    This is why the black shirt man was able to quickly pivot free, pivot 5 feet away to shoot the teal shirt man.
    My verdict is murder 2nd degree.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  158. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anonymous

    My corrected observation/judgement: Hallinan was criminally insane!

  159. @JimDandy

    Seems like another open-and-shut case of self-defense.

    If he had waited until the teal shirt guy had advanced towards him again, probably so, at that distance and immediately, probably not.

    Both are probably now out of the gene pool. Human self-domestication.

  160. Goddard says:
    @Zoos

    It’s a bad shooting. The shooter was able to back up and take the shot. I would vote to convict the shooter.

  161. Truth says:
    @ben tillman

    He hasn’t been charged, so as of yet, that is not the case.

  162. Clyde says:
    @ben tillman

    Chad Read Shooting: Evidence Supports Manslaughter, Not Justification

    This video is by a defense lawyer who works on the side of gun owners. He is well versed in what Texas law has to say about this incident. The key takeaway is that the moment the black shirt fired twice, he was not under threat of bodily harm. That what happened leading up to this moment will not be under consideration. By this I mean how the older man in teal shirt went toe to toe with the shooter, grabbed at the rifle and swung the shooter off the porch.

  163. JimDandy says:
    @Clyde

    There is more than one video. And there was more than one attempt to get the rifle. The shooter’s lawyer–correctly, in my opinion–describes the situation like this:

    “All Texans may lawfully brandish a firearm to protect themselves, their property and their business.” Guinn said.

    Guinn also emphasized Read’s threat to take the gun from Carruth.

    “And instantaneously, he tried to take the gun away from Kyle,” Guinn said. “In doing so he was power enough to sling Kyle 180 degrees around on Kyle’s patio.”

    “Raising his left leg, he was continuing his advance on Kyle, threatening him and posing an immediate threat. Kyle responded,” Guinn claimed. “This is a justifiable homicide.”

    • Replies: @Clyde
  164. Rob says:
    @res

    Thanks! Never even occured to me that the internetvwould have a partial answer. As in, i am sure the mismatch is factually true, but why not fill the sides with your logo if you hate blank space so muc? I’m pretty sure the real reason is so that you have to rely on what they tell you about the video

  165. Alden says:
    @Clyde

    I won’t defend the woman. Black shirt murdered a man who had a legitimate reason to be on the property.

    Mail carriers, delivery persons water gas and electricity meter readers building health and fire inspectors , animal control etc all have legitimate reasons to enter private property.

    And so does a non custodial parent under a family court order to pick up his child at a certain address on certain days at a certain time have the right to obey the court order and enter the property to pick up history child.

    And step parents roommates grandparents lovers and friends of either parent have no responsibilities or rights over the child and family court visitation orders.

    A resident doesn’t have the right to shoot the mail carrier deliver person or meter reader. Nor does he have the right to shot a person overtime a family court order.

    I see a FEW OF THE MEN OF UNZ are severely conflicted.

    I have the right to kill the mail carrier meter reader or anyone else who enters my property
    Versus
    All divorced moms are evil witches and all divorced dads are absolute angels and the boyfriends of divorced moms are total scum.

    I really hope a smart attorney files a wrongful death suit against black shirt on behalf of the kid or kids. Black shirt probably doesn’t own the home. Probably he and mom rent using teal shirt’s child support.

    There a certain type of poor man very attracted to single moms. Whether it’s blacks on welfare or Whites on child support and divorce settlements parasite type men go after single moms.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Alden
  166. Alden says:
    @Clyde

    Not for certain. The widow of teal shirt has filed for custody of the kid or kids. On the grounds that divorced mom is unfit because kid or kids are living with the murderer of their father. Reasonable cause to take kids away from mother. But maybe not to step mother. Probably to the ghastly foster home system.

    Idiot mom should re think the wisdom of living with a man why just murdered someone because of a standard divorced assholes behaving like assholes situation Someone that volatile and arrogant might point his gun at her someday. Or just beat her to death. Men being bigger and stronger than women.

    Now the couple don’t have teal shirt as a common enemy they might turn on each other.

  167. Alden says:
    @Alden

    Then there’s the fact that many of the men who get involved with single moms are really after the daughters.

    • Replies: @Truth
  168. Alden says:
    @JimDandy

    Teal shirt was obeying a court order to enter the property on a specific day at a specific time to pick up his child. Black shirt disobeyed the family court order to allow teal shirt to pick up the kid. Teal shirt had a legitimate court ordered reason to enter the property. Black shirt had no more reason to refuse to surrender the child and order teal shirt to leave than black shirt had legitimate reason to order a mail carrier or utility meter reader to leave.

    And relatives friend roommates of one parent have no right whatsoever to interfere with a family court order. Although they do all the time. Which leads to more filings counseling expense trouble and turmoil for everyone.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  169. Tex says:
    @Zoos

    I’m not surprised the shooter hasn’t been charged. This sort of thing can drag on a long time. The police and courts have as much time as they want. The case of the father & son who shot a neighbor in a quarrel over leaving a mattress blocking an alley in Abilene (also caught on video) has been awaiting a trial since 2018. That one was a real doozy, with the dead man’s wife filming while egging on her (late) husband.

    Zoo’s Rule is very common sense. Whether or not the subsequent shooting is ruled self defense, it ain’t gonna do teal shirt dude any good. How far past 3:15 was it? An hour sure, but if it was say 3:35, is 20 minutes worth dying for? Forty minutes? Fifty nine?

    Personally, I urge caution when pulling a gun. If it’s an escalation, you don’t have a lot of maneuver room left, so shooting may be your only option. There are a surprising number of idiots who are unacquainted with Zoo’s Rule.

    This sort of business is what trials are for. I’m not Team Teal or Team Black either. I do think the only people who enjoy a murder trial are the lawyers. Being tried for murder is better than being murdered of course, best yet is not to get charged at all.

    Or to put it another way, a gun won’t get you out of trouble, but it can save your life.

  170. res says:
    @Clyde

    Both men were performing for their women when neither backed down.

    This is perhaps the most useful lesson (one I learned long ago). Be very careful about challenging a man in the presence of his woman (that sounds very sexist, but is there a better way to put it?). Doubly so if the woman is part of the reason for the challenge.

    P.S. Thanks to everyone for the additional details. In particular more on the visitation order and Andrew Branca’s take.

  171. JimDandy says:
    @Alden

    Whatever court order you are referring to did not entitle Teal Shirt to act in a threatening manner on Black Shirt’s property. Obviously, if Teal shirt had shouted “I am going to kill both of you, right here, right now,” no court order would have trumped Black Shirt’s right to get his gun and tell the guy to leave. Based on the videos I have seen, it was reasonable for Black Shirt to see Teal Shirt’s behavior as threatening. If Teal Shirt had an issue with the court agreement being violated, he could have called the police and waited for them to arrive. Black Shirt had the legal right to stand there with that gun and tell Teal Shirt to leave. Teal Shirt had no right to attempt to challenge him to “use it” or to attempt to wrest it away from him. If charges are filed he will be found innocent if it is a fair trial, or guilty if the media decides it wants his head on a pike after the huge L they took with Rittenhouse.

    But it’s premature to predict the outcome, and I realize I’m guilty of that, too. Will other details emerge? Was Teal Shirt’s son screaming “Help me!” from within the house, giving Teal Shirt reason to believe that the boy was in imminent danger? That would change things. Did Teal Shirt’s divorce proceedings show that he repeatedly beat the shit out of his ex when they fought about their son? Is there a voice mail message from him promising to kill Black Shirt one day? Time will tell.

    • Replies: @Alden
  172. Truth says:
    @Alden

    B…b…b..but Aldey, these are whu…whu…whu…WHITE men, you are talking about?!?!

  173. Alden says:
    @JimDandy

    Many details are unknown. For instance does black shirt own or rent the property? Is he even on the lease? Is his legal status that of a resident in which case Texas law sometimes permit shooting a trespasser? . Or is his legal status that of a visitor? Does that make a difference in Texas law? What if the house is the woman’s and she got it in the divorce settlement and black shirt moved in with her for free rent? Very very common reason some men move in with divorced women..

    Can a Texan Kill a mail carrier delivery person and others who have legitimate reason to be on the property and be exonerated under Texas law??

    Does the Texas law about killing trespassers supersede obeying court orders?

    The incident is still being investigated.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  174. Clyde says:
    @JimDandy

    See attorney Branca on your claims. The ones you quote. In Texas law what will decide this is, was black shirt being assaulted, or about to be assaulted at the moment he fired twice. If Teal shirt had been advancing on Black, this shooting would have been lawful.

    What video shows, is Teal shirt at rest while standing. Looking at his adversary 5ft away, armed with rifle.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  175. Ragno says:

    Of course “witness-murdering” isn’t going to be A Thing in Brave New (post-white) America. It’s so self-explanatory and right out in the open; hardly the sort of egghead topic that lefty college professors can pontificate over, their shrugged shoulders gathering those all-important quotes and column mentions in the NYT and The Atlantic, regardless of their “yes; but then again, no” impotence that neither solves nor illuminates a damn thing.

  176. Alden says:
    @JimDandy

    The shooter is married to a local judge. Presumably they maintained a household together. Was the shooter a resident or just a visitor of the property he defended by killing teal shirt?

    Because the entire district attorneys office is associated with the wife of the shooter, they recused themselves and the Texas Attorney General is now in charge of the case.
    I say it’s an ongoing investigation and the shooter has not yet been charged.

    Is the shooter’s name on the mail box? Or does he still get his mail at the home shared with his wife? Is his name still on the utility bills for the home he shares with his wife? They are still married. So his name must be on the mortgage if any. Or on a lease if they rent. Is it legal for a visitor not a resident to shoot a trespasser in Texas? Getting involved in other people’s divorce squabbles is such a bad idea. Wife of teal shirt victim was there too. Both women filming as men squared off. Sounds like both sides were setting up for another expensive useless family court hearing about visitation details. Wife of victim called police. In the video she didn’t seem upset to see husband shot and killed.

    Easy divorce isn’t easy.

  177. Clyde says:
    @Alden

    Many details are unknown. For instance does black shirt own or rent the property? Is he even on the lease? Is his legal status that of a resident in which case Texas law sometimes permit shooting a trespasser?

    I did a Twitter search Monday morning. One tweet claimed that black shirt was renting the house from his ex-felon brother. True or not? To be determined. My bet is that at minimum, this house was not owned by flaky, excitable boy Black shirt. On Twitter I saw liberal tweeters coming down hard on Black shirt. Using black shirt’s actions as more justification for their usual liberal gun grabbing.

    The irony is that black shirt is a gun grabber himself. A rifle grabber. A regular ol “Annie Get Your Gun”

    • Replies: @Alden
  178. @JimDandy

    So, Soros plans to profit by “churning” urban real estate and he is so relentlessly driven to help Team Blue because?

    Soros is a currency manipulator. I don’t think he makes his fortune in real property. But social breakdown leading to economic instability is probably a terrific opportunity to “buy low” as they say, and that may well extend to his businesses. Something tells me, however, that this fellow gets off on destruction for its own sake.

    I would surmise that the gentrification wave had reached its zenith in terms of absorbing existing low value urban property and either renovating or redeveloping it. Once the developers have run out of this raw material, there is an incentive to find another way to feed that beast. The trend is clearly now towards “planned urban development” and mixed use development in suburbs and exurbs with “good schools,” and, critically, sufficient distance from centers of urban rioting.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  179. JimDandy says:
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    So, in essence, doing things that will hurt the dollar while betting against the dollar?

    Something tells me, however, that this fellow gets off on destruction for its own sake.

    This must be true, at least to some extent. I just have a hard time accepting that it’s his primary motive. But I definitely could be wrong.

  180. Alden says:
    @Clyde

    Thanks for the info. So the judge’s brother in law is a felon. I read all the articles in the Lubbock news paper. I gathered from the police chief’s apologetic statement there’s a lot of outrage around town that a man was killed on a legitimate errand to pick up his child pursuant to a court order. And the police report was not available to the public. Which is strange because police reports are public records available to anyone who requests them..

  181. @International Jew

    The death penalty does seem to deter repeat offenses by the convicted murderer who is executed. That’s the only deterrent value that should really matter.

  182. JimDandy says:
    @Clyde

    That would be what an oil painting of a still frame of that video would show. Fixed that for you.

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