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That Trump didn’t really have COVID, he just faked it to promote his golf buddy’s stock? From USA Today:

Trump COVID-19 treatment: President had stakes in Regeneron and Gilead, makers of antibody cocktail, Remdesivir

Kelly Tyko, USA TODAY

President Donald Trump previously reported he earned capital gains from Regeneron Pharmaceuticals and Gilead Sciences Inc., the manufacturers of two of the medicines he’s taken as part of his COVID-19 treatment plan.

According to a 2017 financial disclosure form filed with the U.S. Office of Government Ethics in June 2017, Trump had a capital gain of $50,001 to $100,000 for Regeneron Pharmaceuticals and $100,001 to $1 million for Gilead Sciences Inc. The form notes the information was of April 15, 2017.

Trump’s subsequent disclosure forms, including his 2020 form signed July 31, did not list Regeneron or Gilead.

Trump received a single 8-gram dose of Regeneron’s polyclonal antibody cocktail as a precautionary measure, according to his physician Sean Conley. The antibody cocktail is in four late-stage clinical trials, and its safety and efficacy have not been fully evaluated by any regulatory authority, the company said on its webpage.

As part of Operation Warp Speed, New York state-based Regeneron won a $450 million federal contract in July to manufacture and supply the company’s antibody cocktail REGN-COV2.

It’s so new that it doesn’t appear to have a name yet. But the logic behind it makes a lot of sense, and the very early clinical trials look like it’s the best treatment yet.

The New York Times reported Friday that Regeneron’s chief executive, Dr. Leonard S. Schleifer, a member of Trump’s golf club in Westchester County, New York, said Trump’s medical staff reached out to the company for permission to use the drug and the Food and Drug Administration cleared it. …

“When it’s the president of the United States, of course, that gets – obviously – gets our attention,” Schleifer told the Times. Regeneron stock rose $19.20 a share in after-hours trading.

Seriously, this stuff sounds pretty good.

 
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  1. I’m sticking with this being the Deep State’s Magic Bullet 2020.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @The Alarmist

    Corporate media life-forms are using the term "super spreader event" to the describe the 9/26/20 SCOTUS nomination ceremony in the WH Rose Garden. Indeed it was; but not in the way they mean. Media life-form thinking resembles some the ossified minds in these threads who refuse to accept that such shenanigans could happen here.

  2. Dear Mr Sailer,

    If you’re keen on profiting from the virus, please talk to your senator*, er, sorry, I mean your investment adviser!

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/senators-fight-controversy-surrounding-stock-sales-as-coronavirus-spread

  3. What’s funny is how amateurish the claims against Trump have been. There’s been nothing smart about their attacks on him.

    Trump has a certain marketing genius that works in the current political environment. But if the CIA, FBI, GOP, Dems, Davos Boys, Bilderbergers and Corporate America really had any brains, they should have been able to get rid of hiim.

    It sure seems like the Establishment is full of dummies.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Bill
    @RichardTaylor

    Or that it is riven by factionalism and one of the factions is on Trump's side.

    Replies: @Cortes

    , @Alexander Turok
    @RichardTaylor

    "What’s funny is how amateurish the claims against Trump have been. There’s been nothing smart about their attacks on him."

    Pretty much. They think the American people will be outraged! by the same kind of things that outrage! them. But Trump's still gonna lose regardless. He will be the first president for whom serving four years in office without being impeached and removed is seen by his supporters as some kind of accomplishment.

  4. Seriously, this stuff sounds pretty good.

    Will it be available in Pumpkin Spice?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Some of us prefer Brownie Dough.

  5. A capital gain is realized only when a stock is sold therefore it’s quite likely that he didn’t own the stock when he was treated.

  6. So Trump had stakes in a few companies that made money over this. Question is, what companies is he in that didn’t make any money on this? I mean, maybe he owns a dozen medical companies, and only these few hit. That would change the story some, huh? Too bad we don’t have investigative journalists who could track down this kind of information.

  7. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Seriously, this stuff sounds pretty good.
     
    Will it be available in Pumpkin Spice?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    Some of us prefer Brownie Dough.

  8. Trump had capital gains from selling his Regeneron shares back in 2017, and no longer owned shares in the company in 2020. Who is managing his stock portfolio ?

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco


    Trump had capital gains from selling his Regeneron shares back in 2017, and no longer owned shares in the company in 2020. Who is managing his stock portfolio ?
     
    I'm not sure, but of late most presidents when elected put their stocks, bonds, etc. into some kind of blind trust arrangement. I don't think it is mandatory but probably is the simplest/easiest way to avoid the large number of 'conflict of interest' rules.

    So that particular stock may have been sold either before any trust was formed or sold (perhaps) by the trust investment advisors.

    The anti Trump mafia is always quick to impute some personal financial interest in every decision he makes about nearly everything. They are still unsuccessfully ragging him over owning Trump branded properties which (gasp!) agree to house foreign guests, sometimes (particularly in DC) being paid for by some US govt. entity.

    Yes, someone who Forbes says has a net worth of roughly $2.7 billion is spending his time micromanaging the check-ins at the local Trump Towers hotel. At night he puts on the doorman's uniform to snag a few extra tips.

    Despite obvious published evidence to the contrary, from personal experience I know that one common symptom of Trump Derangement Syndrome is the fervid belief that Trump "is not a billionaire!" and that he is "lying" about being a billionaire. They not only hate him, they want to see him in rags as they pelt him with rotten fruit on the way out.

    I've heard this from two otherwise bright longtime friends. It is an article of TDS faith.

  9. Will it be available in Pumpkin Spice?

    We like them to be so slantic
    So romantic. To put them in a spin. Where their lawyers can’t cash in
    But every day is a rude day so guys cannot win.
    For any 10 seconds of (extremus and coveted) pleasure
    You will get five years of measure.
    In US jails in your confined cell —- leisure

  10. Yeah, $450 million isn’t nearly enough to cover the damage Cuomo and DeBlasio have inflicted on New York this year.

  11. anon[331] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s clear that POTUS’ course of treatment would be an invaluable brand differentiator and status symbol, so this commenter just assumed that in our kleptocracy his treatment would be decided by macro-scale peculation. That’s not a conspiracy, that’s just how everything in DoD works. It was intriguing to see that Trump did not become the HCL poster boy, since that orphan drug actually works, and would demonstrate the towering Trump intellect he’s always telling us about.

  12. Regeneron Pharmaceuticals

    How soon before Eugeneron Pharmaceuticals comes on the scene?

    and Gilead Sciences Inc.

    Everybody knows their first product balmed.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, soon available as a nasal spray named "Flu-B-Gon."

  13. I hope our President faked it – hilarious.

    Fake disease fails to kill a man who faked having said fake disease (and who knows it’s all fake) gets cured by fake drugs.

    But he’s making some real money, baby!

    Trump bonused most Americans back in late spring, so it was time for His coronabonus.

    Nah, y’alls, it’s just a really wimpy cold – that’s why a morbidly obese 74-year-old whupped the snuffles in 72 hours flat.

    • Replies: @J1234
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    He's not morbidly obese. He's just plain ol' obese.

    I don't know if this will be the next conspiracy theory. They'd have to make the case that Hope Hicks, Kayleigh McEnany and other infected people were also in on the conspiracy. His contracting the virus has been a real political plus for him in the last 48 hours, though - ever since the news media said he was in awful shape...and he broadcast from the hospital looking pretty good. The NYT claims he was "projecting strength" by leaving the hospital, but in reality (they say) had a "close call." And what was the close call? His oxygen levels were lowered a couple of times. They don't say how low. Could've been 90 or 91 or something, which is not a close call.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Redman, @J1234

  14. I’ve got a better conspiracy theory: DJT is bed-ridden, and the guy riding around in the motorcade yesterday was an imposter wearing one of those life like masks like the Polish bank robber wore.

  15. My emerging conspiracy theory (via my business partner): Trump knew he had COVID at the debate to try to infect Biden…

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @anon

    Very stable genius …..the sacrifices he makes to save our nation……if your'e not a bloody-minded bastard by now ,why not.

  16. Correspondent Cecilia Vega was just babbling hysterically that “the people in that car [with Trump] could get sick, could die all for a political stunt.” If it’s all just a hoax, please someone calm her down a little

  17. If the deep state had made a few Democrats sick with the covid, instead of just Republicans, your theory might have gotten more traction. Now it’s too hard to pivot away from the “Republicans deserve what they get, wear the damn mask” narrative. I know the Dems can turn on a dime, but they usually leave the rest of us behind when they do.

  18. Fake positive.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @George


    Fake positive.
     
    Just a few days back many iSteve commentators were speculating rabidly about Trump's supposed symptoms (all gleaned from MSNBC I think) and was likely to be dead by morning.

    Now we have other newish theories about how it was faked, COVID is fake (by the same crew that brought us 9/11, yes, I know, I just reopened that can o'worms) and that instead of dying, Trump deserves an Oscar. But he can't win that, since he's now the wrong color...

    Just goes to show you, nobody knows nuttin'
  19. with all the testing we now see that symptoms appear to occur within 3-5 days after exposure. Chris Christie was negative for CV on Thursday morning. Was exposed to CV via Hope Hicks on Thursday and tested positive on Friday. He had no symptoms Friday when he was tested, but was hospitalized on Saturday. Trump first tested positive Thursday evening and was hospitalized Friday.

    So this virus is like the the flu and other colds, the symptoms appear within days of being exposed. The 14 day quarantines are too long. It was probably part of the conspiracy to destroy the economy. They should reduce the quarantine time to 10 days after exposure.

    More and more evidence suggests that those infected show symptoms within 5 days. This is more evidence that the lockdowns failed. New Jersey was Locked-down on March 15. Yet hospitalizations peaked 30 days later and cases peaked 40 days after the lockdowns. Masks were made mandatory on April 2, yet employees at all the stores were wearing masks by March 20th.

    Fauci was correct about one thing early in the epidemic. Surgical masks and cloths masks will not work , but they may make some people feel safer. Most people wear them incorrectly and are constantly adjusting their masks with their fingers.

  20. Which conspiracy is more likely?

    1. Trump claims to be infected one month before the election and gets the cooperation of dozens, at least, of co-conspirators to attest to his being infected.

    2. Someone infected Trump and associates deliberately as a means to eliminate him from the debates (or worse, free him from his mortal coil).

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @Coemgen

    Door 3. False Positive from the faulty test. He has been playing a role since 2016. He is where the Directors and Producers want him to be.

    The Media talked (promoted) about Trump in 2016. In 2012, they ignored Dr. Ron Paul. In 2020 they ignored Tulsi Gabbard. Draw your own conclusion.

    Trump is a lightning rod that deflects criticism away from the Hidden Hands.

    The last four years Congress has wasted time and money on Impeachment.
    The FBI has wasted time and money on Russia! Russia!.
    The Media plays it up at full volume.

    Each of the two faces of the one Corporate Party plays to their base, neither actually intending to change the status quo.

    Keeping everybody divided and conquered.

    Getting deeper into the Fall of the Dollar Empire. Bread and Circuses.

    How many years have you been alive? How many flu seasons have come and gone where you did not have to do anything special to avoid coming down with the flu. Or caught the flu, stayed home and got better.

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Coemgen

    It sounds like he had pneumonia. High fever, dropping O2 saturation, possibly short of breath, treated with dexamethasone, Nobody seems to have asked what his lung sounds were like with a stethoscope, or whether he had a chest x-ray.

    Anyway, he has recovered remarkably quickly without antibiotics, if the reports from his doctors are anything to go by, (which they are probably not).

    Is he going to be getting "world class care" in the White House.? Depends who is making the decisions. I can't see that world class doctors are applying for positions as the White House doctor at what would probably be a pay cut for them.

    He would probably be better off going to a top university hospital.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  21. @Reg Cæsar

    Regeneron Pharmaceuticals
     
    How soon before Eugeneron Pharmaceuticals comes on the scene?

    and Gilead Sciences Inc.
     
    Everybody knows their first product balmed.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Reg, soon available as a nasal spray named “Flu-B-Gon.”

  22. Back when word of hydroxychloroquine plus zinc came out idiots reflexively proclaimed that Trump had stock in the company and would make money off it, which is wildly wrong. I was going to say that there are these little required stupidities which make a normal intelligent educated person stop thinking, to expand the scope beyond Trump hate, but that’s wrong: actually, modern education itself is the origin of these “engrams.” An educated person in the modern sense never thinks at all, they retrieve vocabulary like a computer, with specialization being a particular group of vocabulary.

    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @J.Ross

    Many of our "leaders" seem rather unintelligent but possess the ability to string buzzwords together that will stand up to a less than cursory examination.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  23. Preezy All Caps is back on twiffer…

    He’s murdering liberal sensibilities about what is acceptable punctuation.

    DIE CUCKS DIE

  24. My theory:

    Their final attempt, before the election, to either kill him (he’s 74 and obese) or disable him (using all the bullshit protocols already in place); why not use COVID for irony and gloating (as displayed on Twitter etc.)?

    Unfortunately for them, they’re too stupid to remember that their coof isn’t deadly, and too vain to think that Obese Hitler’s snake oil treatments actually work.

    Thus, hoist by their own petard.

    Are they that evil? Are they that stupid. I give you: the last 5 years.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @James O'Meara

    That was the flaw I noticed in various Timeline Friends' gloating comments after this pseudo-event: Deep down they knew -- though thou shalt not say it in front of the NPCs -- that Trump was unlikely to die or even be incapacitated past the end of the year. But if they crassly talked up *that* random good fortune ("Poetic justice gave Satan the flu right before the election, God must love us for being intersectional liberals") would not make them look big and would undercut asabiyyah and Deplorable-demoralization priorities.

    So instead they gave off this crazed old-college-try look of concern-tweeting through their teeth that, yes, Coof Is Very Serious, we all knew this would happen eventually; but also, we're happy a public figure is going to die from it and also, he deserves it. Not a great success in masking base partisan glee at the expense of "public health" throat-clearing

  25. Anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:

    Lunatic lefty/righty toggler Scott Adams made a good case yesterday that the covid outbreak was a bio attack he lists five coincidences that mark the event as non natural.

    Adams doesn’t talk about the meds so much because “he’s not a doctor” which is funny because Adams plays Torquemada on many issues on which he has no credentials.

    The outlandish med schedule Trump received is perfect Trump lore. Seems an obvious murder plot against the president until you find out that Trump enthusiastically took risky stacked experimental immune therapies in order to juice the stock market!

    HAHAHA funniest craziest piece of 14D jujitsu yet from Orange Man Bad.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Anonymous

    "craziest piece of 14D jujitsu yet from Orange Man Bad."

    Steve's prosaic conspiracy theory also lacks an understanding of Trump's enemies. Good to see him back at the WH. If I was a praying man I'd offer him one because he's going to need it.

    , @Coemgen
    @Anonymous

    I didn't see Scott Adams' "five coincidences" but I can't unsee that this "hundred year virus" coincidently appeared just as the impeachment began to unravel (for lack of an underlying crime).

    What are the odds that the virus would should up randomly at that time?

    1 in 1,000 or so?

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

  26. There’s an endearing quality about Trump.

    He doesn’t give a damn. He just says f*** it, I’m going for a joyride.

    Meanwhile, everyone in the media’s head is exploding in flames.

    The absurdity, bizarreness, and sheer hilariousness of the whole thing is surreal.

    I, for one, am so grateful that I have an opportunity to be alive in this era. The entertainment value cannot be overstated.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313183801732890624

    https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1313161682504409088

    https://twitter.com/DrLeanaWen/status/1312896628274147333

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1313172851474804737

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @SunBakedSuburb, @Known Fact

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @JohnnyWalker123


    He doesn’t give a damn. He just says f*** it, I’m going for a joyride.
     
    Sorta.

    I'm pretty sure he stated that he wanted to make an appearance as a thank you to his supporters that journied to WRMC.
  27. Did the left just now take losing their minds to a new dimension?

    The doctor’s and other personnel at a military hospital of this stature, would never cover for a dishonest political trick even if the president requested it. And given the MSM’s deep dislike of Trump, they would never cover for him.either.

    To think that this is some kind of hoax is beyond absurd.

  28. anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    Ok, I understand that Trump does not want Wall Street, that is already pouring a fortune into Biden’s campaign, to have another reason to hate him.

    But does it make sense for the US government to lead the public to believe that a super expensive therapy, to treat what for 99% of the population is a mild flu, is the way to go when there are vastly cheaper protocols available that are at least as effective?

    • Replies: @gcochran
    @anonymous

    There aren't.

  29. @JohnnyWalker123
    There's an endearing quality about Trump.

    He doesn't give a damn. He just says f*** it, I'm going for a joyride.

    Meanwhile, everyone in the media's head is exploding in flames.

    The absurdity, bizarreness, and sheer hilariousness of the whole thing is surreal.

    I, for one, am so grateful that I have an opportunity to be alive in this era. The entertainment value cannot be overstated.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @The Wild Geese Howard

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What's her medical opinion on Joe Biden?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The upside to the COVID-19 pandemic: technocrats gleefully exposing their authoritarian fantasies all over media. Midget Fauci is so arrogant/ignorant that he doesn't think anyone has detected his doublespeak act. Trust the guvmint doctors, says Grinning Skull Joe. Hey Skull Head: Vete a la mierda.

    , @Known Fact
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Mental health side effects," "psychiatric evaluation" ... And this is the same medical establishment that says it's just fine to renounce your natural gender and have yourself surgically mutilated to go play for the other team

    Replies: @Dissident

  30. @J.Ross
    Back when word of hydroxychloroquine plus zinc came out idiots reflexively proclaimed that Trump had stock in the company and would make money off it, which is wildly wrong. I was going to say that there are these little required stupidities which make a normal intelligent educated person stop thinking, to expand the scope beyond Trump hate, but that's wrong: actually, modern education itself is the origin of these "engrams." An educated person in the modern sense never thinks at all, they retrieve vocabulary like a computer, with specialization being a particular group of vocabulary.

    Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    Many of our “leaders” seem rather unintelligent but possess the ability to string buzzwords together that will stand up to a less than cursory examination.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    Right, and in fact that's pure communism, and can also be seen in cults. A lot of the communist leadership and even academia were Hunter Biden types (especially in the late Soviet Union), empty-headed but born to the right parents, being affable instead of being skilled, but they knew when to clap and when not to clap, what to say, and how to give deference to superiors without looking like class existed. Perhaps China has partly saved itself from this tendency by unofficially requiring STEM for leadership (Brother Eleven is a real engineer) and by enabling a semi-meritocratic extra-governmental entrepreneur class.
    There's a short story from the late Soviet Union (I cannot remember title or author) giving a kind of snapshot of academia, amd a lot of the professors are just affable politically correct idiots without any pressure, deadlines, competition, or real competence, perpetually promising a marine research expedition which never quite comes together, and their position is a kind of early retirement as a political reward rather than a real academic position.
    Of course the same system produced intellectual giants, and the story touches on part of how that worked: there were recognized (Sakharov), rejected (Solzhenitsyn), and under-recognized geniuses. The last category got to do all the work in exchange for friendship like a high school nerd.

  31. @anonymous
    Ok, I understand that Trump does not want Wall Street, that is already pouring a fortune into Biden's campaign, to have another reason to hate him.

    But does it make sense for the US government to lead the public to believe that a super expensive therapy, to treat what for 99% of the population is a mild flu, is the way to go when there are vastly cheaper protocols available that are at least as effective?

    Replies: @gcochran

    There aren’t.

  32. If they go there, then the holdings of Fauci, Congress critters, et al. are fair game.

  33. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313183801732890624

    https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1313161682504409088

    https://twitter.com/DrLeanaWen/status/1312896628274147333

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1313172851474804737

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @SunBakedSuburb, @Known Fact

    What’s her medical opinion on Joe Biden?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @SaneClownPosse

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1312899006167572481

  34. the election is effectively over now that Trump has the virus, because he can’t campaign, and his extremely slim chance of winning the Electoral College depends on him doing 1 or 2 campaign events a day, every day, from now to the election, trying to convince enough undecided voters in close states to eek out another EC win.

    but he can’t do that now. so a Biden win is assured. Trump’s 1% chance of winning EC is gone.

    so, throwing away billions to make millions? is that what this conspiracy is about?

  35. Peak Trumpicano:

    “Don’t be afraid of Covid.”

    Nuclear twipp detonation. HAHAHHAHAHA it doesn’t get any more entertaining than this….

  36. @Coemgen
    Which conspiracy is more likely?

    1. Trump claims to be infected one month before the election and gets the cooperation of dozens, at least, of co-conspirators to attest to his being infected.

    2. Someone infected Trump and associates deliberately as a means to eliminate him from the debates (or worse, free him from his mortal coil).

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @Jonathan Mason

    Door 3. False Positive from the faulty test. He has been playing a role since 2016. He is where the Directors and Producers want him to be.

    The Media talked (promoted) about Trump in 2016. In 2012, they ignored Dr. Ron Paul. In 2020 they ignored Tulsi Gabbard. Draw your own conclusion.

    Trump is a lightning rod that deflects criticism away from the Hidden Hands.

    The last four years Congress has wasted time and money on Impeachment.
    The FBI has wasted time and money on Russia! Russia!.
    The Media plays it up at full volume.

    Each of the two faces of the one Corporate Party plays to their base, neither actually intending to change the status quo.

    Keeping everybody divided and conquered.

    Getting deeper into the Fall of the Dollar Empire. Bread and Circuses.

    How many years have you been alive? How many flu seasons have come and gone where you did not have to do anything special to avoid coming down with the flu. Or caught the flu, stayed home and got better.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @SaneClownPosse

    Suspiciously coherent.


    Or caught the flu, stayed home and got better.
     
    Regularly got it when student, and after that I got it and it was 2 weeks of awful and a long time reconvalesceing. Since then, vaccine, which seems to be quite helpful even if it's not perfect.
  37. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @James O'Meara
    My theory:

    Their final attempt, before the election, to either kill him (he's 74 and obese) or disable him (using all the bullshit protocols already in place); why not use COVID for irony and gloating (as displayed on Twitter etc.)?

    Unfortunately for them, they're too stupid to remember that their coof isn't deadly, and too vain to think that Obese Hitler's snake oil treatments actually work.

    Thus, hoist by their own petard.

    Are they that evil? Are they that stupid. I give you: the last 5 years.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That was the flaw I noticed in various Timeline Friends’ gloating comments after this pseudo-event: Deep down they knew — though thou shalt not say it in front of the NPCs — that Trump was unlikely to die or even be incapacitated past the end of the year. But if they crassly talked up *that* random good fortune (“Poetic justice gave Satan the flu right before the election, God must love us for being intersectional liberals”) would not make them look big and would undercut asabiyyah and Deplorable-demoralization priorities.

    So instead they gave off this crazed old-college-try look of concern-tweeting through their teeth that, yes, Coof Is Very Serious, we all knew this would happen eventually; but also, we’re happy a public figure is going to die from it and also, he deserves it. Not a great success in masking base partisan glee at the expense of “public health” throat-clearing

  38. The Drama of this show is ridiculous. The 80s Kremlin watchers were placid in comparison.

    “What if Putin or Iran attack now!”
    “With Trump gone, Putin will takle up the slack in electioneering”
    “OMG what about the pilots of Air Force 1”
    “Oh Jesus those poor Secret Service people in the same car, they dead”
    “Trump is killing everybody!!”
    ‘How dare he!’ Critics aghast as Trump makes surprise visit to ‘great patriots’ outside hospital

    “They got Kayleigh!”

    White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany tests positive for Covid-19

  39. @SaneClownPosse
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What's her medical opinion on Joe Biden?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    • LOL: El Dato
  40. @SaneClownPosse
    @Coemgen

    Door 3. False Positive from the faulty test. He has been playing a role since 2016. He is where the Directors and Producers want him to be.

    The Media talked (promoted) about Trump in 2016. In 2012, they ignored Dr. Ron Paul. In 2020 they ignored Tulsi Gabbard. Draw your own conclusion.

    Trump is a lightning rod that deflects criticism away from the Hidden Hands.

    The last four years Congress has wasted time and money on Impeachment.
    The FBI has wasted time and money on Russia! Russia!.
    The Media plays it up at full volume.

    Each of the two faces of the one Corporate Party plays to their base, neither actually intending to change the status quo.

    Keeping everybody divided and conquered.

    Getting deeper into the Fall of the Dollar Empire. Bread and Circuses.

    How many years have you been alive? How many flu seasons have come and gone where you did not have to do anything special to avoid coming down with the flu. Or caught the flu, stayed home and got better.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Suspiciously coherent.

    Or caught the flu, stayed home and got better.

    Regularly got it when student, and after that I got it and it was 2 weeks of awful and a long time reconvalesceing. Since then, vaccine, which seems to be quite helpful even if it’s not perfect.

  41. My conspiracy theory is it is just a really nasty flu that was man made. For most people it is survivable. Also this country (and me) needs a serious fitness program.

  42. @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @J.Ross

    Many of our "leaders" seem rather unintelligent but possess the ability to string buzzwords together that will stand up to a less than cursory examination.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Right, and in fact that’s pure communism, and can also be seen in cults. A lot of the communist leadership and even academia were Hunter Biden types (especially in the late Soviet Union), empty-headed but born to the right parents, being affable instead of being skilled, but they knew when to clap and when not to clap, what to say, and how to give deference to superiors without looking like class existed. Perhaps China has partly saved itself from this tendency by unofficially requiring STEM for leadership (Brother Eleven is a real engineer) and by enabling a semi-meritocratic extra-governmental entrepreneur class.
    There’s a short story from the late Soviet Union (I cannot remember title or author) giving a kind of snapshot of academia, amd a lot of the professors are just affable politically correct idiots without any pressure, deadlines, competition, or real competence, perpetually promising a marine research expedition which never quite comes together, and their position is a kind of early retirement as a political reward rather than a real academic position.
    Of course the same system produced intellectual giants, and the story touches on part of how that worked: there were recognized (Sakharov), rejected (Solzhenitsyn), and under-recognized geniuses. The last category got to do all the work in exchange for friendship like a high school nerd.

  43. Boris Johnson is pining for the Fjords (politically) after his brush with the Rona, so what about Trump?

    George Galloway writes at RT: ‘Long Covid’ IS a thing. It may well be a long time before Trump is clear of it and it may bring Boris Johnson down…

    The GLE (Greatest Living Englishman), Professor Michael Rosen spent 70 days in hospital with the coronavirus, much of it in a coma. Now on sticks and talking, though not so volubly as before, he is blind in one eye and deaf in one ear. It remains to be seen to what extent the former Children’s Laureate, poet, raconteur and phenomenally successful children’s author will rediscover his creative mojo.

    His is, apparently, a “Long Covid.” Though not an official medical term, it is growing in use among the many people who have suffered the virus for more than two weeks. Sufferers have reported a range of symptoms outside the regular Covid complaints (cough, fever, loss of taste and smell), including muscle aches, memory loss and depression.

    Trump is as human as everyone else stricken with this virus and, given his underlying conditions, it may put his health in serious danger. If he survives, he is unlikely to be the mauler he was last week in the presidential debate in Cleveland, Ohio.

    Boris Johnson is considerably younger than Rosen and Trump, and more fluent in Latin than Trump is in English. But he too is half the man he was. As a Covid survivor for whom, according to his doctors, it was “touch and go,” Johnson returned to work too early. Though he will have figured he had no choice with the Covid enemy at the gates, he has appeared increasingly like his ‘Spitting Image’ blimp but with half the air having been let out.

    • Replies: @Redman
    @El Dato

    I enjoy George Galloway. But mostly when he's giving a speech or debating. He likes to exaggerate as many good orators do. But this cite from RT leaves a lot of questions and answers few questions. Not particularly good writing.

    Having recovered from Covid in March, I've been surprisingly healthy since. I usually get 3-4 colds a year, but haven't had one since WuFlu.

    My instinct tells me that the "long covid" folks are mostly imagining their normal health complaints (fatigue, muscle soreness, aches, etc.) as related to the virus. I went through a period like that too, but then realized it was just another damn hangover.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    , @Anonymous
    @El Dato


    ...he is blind in one eye and deaf in one ear.
     
    Also, he's lame in one leg and sterile in one ball. Goes by the nickname "Lucky."
  44. The Frank Miller/Dave Gibbons duo’s fantasy USA is still Nostradamically near the real thing:

  45. @JohnnyWalker123
    There's an endearing quality about Trump.

    He doesn't give a damn. He just says f*** it, I'm going for a joyride.

    Meanwhile, everyone in the media's head is exploding in flames.

    The absurdity, bizarreness, and sheer hilariousness of the whole thing is surreal.

    I, for one, am so grateful that I have an opportunity to be alive in this era. The entertainment value cannot be overstated.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @The Wild Geese Howard

    He doesn’t give a damn. He just says f*** it, I’m going for a joyride.

    Sorta.

    I’m pretty sure he stated that he wanted to make an appearance as a thank you to his supporters that journied to WRMC.

  46. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    I hope our President faked it - hilarious.

    Fake disease fails to kill a man who faked having said fake disease (and who knows it's all fake) gets cured by fake drugs.

    But he's making some real money, baby!

    Trump bonused most Americans back in late spring, so it was time for His coronabonus.

    Nah, y'alls, it's just a really wimpy cold - that's why a morbidly obese 74-year-old whupped the snuffles in 72 hours flat.

    Replies: @J1234

    He’s not morbidly obese. He’s just plain ol’ obese.

    I don’t know if this will be the next conspiracy theory. They’d have to make the case that Hope Hicks, Kayleigh McEnany and other infected people were also in on the conspiracy. His contracting the virus has been a real political plus for him in the last 48 hours, though – ever since the news media said he was in awful shape…and he broadcast from the hospital looking pretty good. The NYT claims he was “projecting strength” by leaving the hospital, but in reality (they say) had a “close call.” And what was the close call? His oxygen levels were lowered a couple of times. They don’t say how low. Could’ve been 90 or 91 or something, which is not a close call.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @J1234

    My speculation is that Mr. Trump was just fine until the docs started giving him every experimental treatment in existence in advance of developing symptoms.

    iSteve is saying something along those lines in connection with the symptoms he experienced in the trial of an anti-cancer drug.

    The White House way of protecting the president and his key observers, apparently, is testing, testing, testing and more testing. Of course they are taking criticism, "Waaahhh! They weren't wearing masks!" Do you suppose the crisis we are seeing is a "casedemic" of false positives or over sensitivity to virus fragments from these tests?

    , @Redman
    @J1234

    Trump can really use getting Rona to make lemonade.

    (1) He shows that the Rona isn't as bad as everyone has been saying (and as he had previously said).
    (2) His quick recovery shows that people should not be so afraid, which encourages more states to open up and more people to push for opening up.
    (3) He shows that there are new treatments that are being developed in America and part of his Warp Speed policy.
    (4) He cannot be attacked by Biden and the Dems for "not taking it seriously" now that he's had it and can speak from experience about what it's like (similar to Rand Paul who's been one of the few politicians to directly attack the reliability of St. Fauci's pronouncements)

    I personally wish Trump had backed off his quest for a vaccine. But I realize that there are so many sheeple who've been scared out of their minds that they'll never come back to normalcy until the doctor can give them some kind of pill (any pill will do) to make it better. By maintaining optimism that Americans will find a great vaccine (despite the fact that it's probably bs) he shows the sheeple he's at least trying to be a leader.

    , @J1234
    @J1234

    Turns out his oxygen got down to like 93 or 92, according to some news channel...even higher than I thought. If you've ever visited anyone in the hospital and looked at their readings on the monitor, their oxygen levels will almost always vacillate some, even if they're in good pulmonary health. 93 is only a couple points below the normal range. I don't know if that was the "close call" the doctors or the NYT were talking about, but low oxygen levels were the only problem I saw mentioned in the article.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  47. Trump spent months pushing HCQ, a cheap drug available as a generic. The media flipped their shit about muh conspiracy theories and said that the only effective treatments were expensive drugs like Remdesivir.

    Now Trump uses Remdesivir to treat his coronavirus and the media flips their shit and claim he’s profiting off of it. After they spent months shilling it as the only treatment because they were terrified of people taking a cheap generic. Is this an example of more projection? Based on months of reporting it seemed far more evident that it was media bosses who profited off of expensive pharmaceuticals.

  48. @Coemgen
    Which conspiracy is more likely?

    1. Trump claims to be infected one month before the election and gets the cooperation of dozens, at least, of co-conspirators to attest to his being infected.

    2. Someone infected Trump and associates deliberately as a means to eliminate him from the debates (or worse, free him from his mortal coil).

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @Jonathan Mason

    It sounds like he had pneumonia. High fever, dropping O2 saturation, possibly short of breath, treated with dexamethasone, Nobody seems to have asked what his lung sounds were like with a stethoscope, or whether he had a chest x-ray.

    Anyway, he has recovered remarkably quickly without antibiotics, if the reports from his doctors are anything to go by, (which they are probably not).

    Is he going to be getting “world class care” in the White House.? Depends who is making the decisions. I can’t see that world class doctors are applying for positions as the White House doctor at what would probably be a pay cut for them.

    He would probably be better off going to a top university hospital.

    • LOL: Redman
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Jonathan Mason


    "He would probably be better off going to a top university hospital."
     
    In Geneva.

    That would give them something to talk about.
  49. @anon
    My emerging conspiracy theory (via my business partner): Trump knew he had COVID at the debate to try to infect Biden...

    Replies: @tyrone

    Very stable genius …..the sacrifices he makes to save our nation……if your’e not a bloody-minded bastard by now ,why not.

  50. This is perfect for conspiracies on all sides.

    Trump fakes virus to benefit, financially or electorally. Trump gets virus from his enemies to be killed, or damaged electorally.

    Trump hides information that he’s really sick with his own Deep State. Trump’s enemies emphasize he’s secretly really sick because they have their own Deep State.

    Trump minimizes the virus but contracts it, so karma or rough justice. Trump recovers from it so he’s Chuck Norris. Or lying.

    Trump makes other people sick. Trump endangers everyone. Trump endangers nobody since it’s all fake. Or because he’s super human.

    Trump is morbidly obese. Or obese. Or mentally ill. Or his opponents are obese and mentally ill.

    Welcome to 2020, folks. Journalism and politics as honorable professions are dead.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    Journalism and politics as honorable professions are dead.
     
    When were they alive?
  51. @John Milton’s Ghost
    This is perfect for conspiracies on all sides.

    Trump fakes virus to benefit, financially or electorally. Trump gets virus from his enemies to be killed, or damaged electorally.

    Trump hides information that he’s really sick with his own Deep State. Trump’s enemies emphasize he’s secretly really sick because they have their own Deep State.

    Trump minimizes the virus but contracts it, so karma or rough justice. Trump recovers from it so he’s Chuck Norris. Or lying.

    Trump makes other people sick. Trump endangers everyone. Trump endangers nobody since it’s all fake. Or because he’s super human.

    Trump is morbidly obese. Or obese. Or mentally ill. Or his opponents are obese and mentally ill.

    Welcome to 2020, folks. Journalism and politics as honorable professions are dead.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Journalism and politics as honorable professions are dead.

    When were they alive?

    • LOL: Lurker
  52. @The Alarmist
    I’m sticking with this being the Deep State’s Magic Bullet 2020.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    Corporate media life-forms are using the term “super spreader event” to the describe the 9/26/20 SCOTUS nomination ceremony in the WH Rose Garden. Indeed it was; but not in the way they mean. Media life-form thinking resembles some the ossified minds in these threads who refuse to accept that such shenanigans could happen here.

  53. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313183801732890624

    https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1313161682504409088

    https://twitter.com/DrLeanaWen/status/1312896628274147333

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1313172851474804737

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @SunBakedSuburb, @Known Fact

    The upside to the COVID-19 pandemic: technocrats gleefully exposing their authoritarian fantasies all over media. Midget Fauci is so arrogant/ignorant that he doesn’t think anyone has detected his doublespeak act. Trust the guvmint doctors, says Grinning Skull Joe. Hey Skull Head: Vete a la mierda.

    • Agree: Coemgen
  54. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313183801732890624

    https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1313161682504409088

    https://twitter.com/DrLeanaWen/status/1312896628274147333

    https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/1313172851474804737

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @SunBakedSuburb, @Known Fact

    “Mental health side effects,” “psychiatric evaluation” … And this is the same medical establishment that says it’s just fine to renounce your natural gender and have yourself surgically mutilated to go play for the other team

    • Thanks: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Known Fact


    And this is the same medical establishment that says it’s just fine to renounce your natural gender sex and have yourself surgically mutilated to go play for the other team
     
    1.) To say nothing of the effects on mental health, often severe, that the excessive and often utterly illogical/indefensible/nonsensical lockdown restrictions inevitably result in.

    2.) Incidentally, note my correction;gender is a linguistic construct. Sex is the biological reality of whether one is male or female*.

    3.) Speaking of which, did no one else notice something odd about Dr. Megan Ranney's appearance?

    4.) Still, it is difficult not to see at least some of the President's behavior since being diagnosed with the Wuhan Virus as other than at least somewhat reckless. Or even to conclude that he should not have exercised at least some degree of caution against the risk of infection greater than the one that he often did.

    (*Yes, there are cases of true ambiguity; the inter-sexed; individuals born with malformed, indeterminate genitalia, etc. Such grotesque aberrations, however, are rare-- considerably rarer than the already relatively rare number of individuals who are merely in denial/ delusional about the reality of their sex. Or at least, that was the case the last time I checked. By now, in this uber-Woke, Wuhan Virus overreach-induced stir-crazy world, who knows...)
  55. He treated 1,700 covid patients successfully . . . board certified in family practice . . .

    https://www.oann.com/calif-doctor-successfully-cures-1700-covid-19-patients/

  56. @Anonymous
    Lunatic lefty/righty toggler Scott Adams made a good case yesterday that the covid outbreak was a bio attack he lists five coincidences that mark the event as non natural.

    Adams doesn't talk about the meds so much because "he's not a doctor" which is funny because Adams plays Torquemada on many issues on which he has no credentials.

    The outlandish med schedule Trump received is perfect Trump lore. Seems an obvious murder plot against the president until you find out that Trump enthusiastically took risky stacked experimental immune therapies in order to juice the stock market!

    HAHAHA funniest craziest piece of 14D jujitsu yet from Orange Man Bad.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Coemgen

    “craziest piece of 14D jujitsu yet from Orange Man Bad.”

    Steve’s prosaic conspiracy theory also lacks an understanding of Trump’s enemies. Good to see him back at the WH. If I was a praying man I’d offer him one because he’s going to need it.

  57. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Trump had capital gains from selling his Regeneron shares back in 2017, and no longer owned shares in the company in 2020. Who is managing his stock portfolio ?

    Replies: @Muggles

    Trump had capital gains from selling his Regeneron shares back in 2017, and no longer owned shares in the company in 2020. Who is managing his stock portfolio ?

    I’m not sure, but of late most presidents when elected put their stocks, bonds, etc. into some kind of blind trust arrangement. I don’t think it is mandatory but probably is the simplest/easiest way to avoid the large number of ‘conflict of interest’ rules.

    So that particular stock may have been sold either before any trust was formed or sold (perhaps) by the trust investment advisors.

    The anti Trump mafia is always quick to impute some personal financial interest in every decision he makes about nearly everything. They are still unsuccessfully ragging him over owning Trump branded properties which (gasp!) agree to house foreign guests, sometimes (particularly in DC) being paid for by some US govt. entity.

    Yes, someone who Forbes says has a net worth of roughly $2.7 billion is spending his time micromanaging the check-ins at the local Trump Towers hotel. At night he puts on the doorman’s uniform to snag a few extra tips.

    Despite obvious published evidence to the contrary, from personal experience I know that one common symptom of Trump Derangement Syndrome is the fervid belief that Trump “is not a billionaire!” and that he is “lying” about being a billionaire. They not only hate him, they want to see him in rags as they pelt him with rotten fruit on the way out.

    I’ve heard this from two otherwise bright longtime friends. It is an article of TDS faith.

  58. @George
    Fake positive.

    Replies: @Muggles

    Fake positive.

    Just a few days back many iSteve commentators were speculating rabidly about Trump’s supposed symptoms (all gleaned from MSNBC I think) and was likely to be dead by morning.

    Now we have other newish theories about how it was faked, COVID is fake (by the same crew that brought us 9/11, yes, I know, I just reopened that can o’worms) and that instead of dying, Trump deserves an Oscar. But he can’t win that, since he’s now the wrong color…

    Just goes to show you, nobody knows nuttin’

  59. Trump just came out of hospital and said how he feels twenty years younger. Chicks look out, the old boy is on the prowl looking for some more punani. Maybe there was viagra mixed into that drug cocktail.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jiminy

    No, it is just the dexamethasone.

    When a person is already mentally unstable, it can push them over the edge into insanity.

    The alarming thing is that almost everyone who works in the White House seems to be coming down with the corona crud now as a result of shoddy infection control measures at the executive branch.

    This whole group of people seems to have become completely delusional as if the Trumpian insanity was an airborne infection wafting through the corridors of power.

    This whole idea of Trump "projecting" this or that is ridiculous. He is simply projecting that he has gone nuts, and in what way can that benefit the nation?

    And who is in charge of infection control in the White House? If they had a board-certified infection control nurse in the White House, she would accept no nonsense from Trump and his minions and soon have them whipped into shape and fully masked even going to bed in their pajamas, if my experience of such terrifying women is anything to go by.

    The way things are at the moment, you doubt if the people in the White House are even washing their hands after going to the bathroom like their mothers taught them.

    Replies: @Achilles Wannabe

  60. Trump should have gone on hydroxyquinine, or whatever it’s called – that stuff he’s been touting as a covind-19 cure for poor people. I’m rather reminded of how Mother Teresa, when she fell itt, did not opt to be treated in one of her own hospitals.

  61. @Anonymous
    Lunatic lefty/righty toggler Scott Adams made a good case yesterday that the covid outbreak was a bio attack he lists five coincidences that mark the event as non natural.

    Adams doesn't talk about the meds so much because "he's not a doctor" which is funny because Adams plays Torquemada on many issues on which he has no credentials.

    The outlandish med schedule Trump received is perfect Trump lore. Seems an obvious murder plot against the president until you find out that Trump enthusiastically took risky stacked experimental immune therapies in order to juice the stock market!

    HAHAHA funniest craziest piece of 14D jujitsu yet from Orange Man Bad.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Coemgen

    I didn’t see Scott Adams’ “five coincidences” but I can’t unsee that this “hundred year virus” coincidently appeared just as the impeachment began to unravel (for lack of an underlying crime).

    What are the odds that the virus would should up randomly at that time?

    1 in 1,000 or so?

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @Coemgen

    Yeah, China, Russia, Iran, pretty much the entire rest of the world coincidentally found this virus just because they want to undermine Dumb Prole President. You must have a Rick and Morty tier IQ.

  62. @J1234
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    He's not morbidly obese. He's just plain ol' obese.

    I don't know if this will be the next conspiracy theory. They'd have to make the case that Hope Hicks, Kayleigh McEnany and other infected people were also in on the conspiracy. His contracting the virus has been a real political plus for him in the last 48 hours, though - ever since the news media said he was in awful shape...and he broadcast from the hospital looking pretty good. The NYT claims he was "projecting strength" by leaving the hospital, but in reality (they say) had a "close call." And what was the close call? His oxygen levels were lowered a couple of times. They don't say how low. Could've been 90 or 91 or something, which is not a close call.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Redman, @J1234

    My speculation is that Mr. Trump was just fine until the docs started giving him every experimental treatment in existence in advance of developing symptoms.

    iSteve is saying something along those lines in connection with the symptoms he experienced in the trial of an anti-cancer drug.

    The White House way of protecting the president and his key observers, apparently, is testing, testing, testing and more testing. Of course they are taking criticism, “Waaahhh! They weren’t wearing masks!” Do you suppose the crisis we are seeing is a “casedemic” of false positives or over sensitivity to virus fragments from these tests?

  63. @El Dato
    Boris Johnson is pining for the Fjords (politically) after his brush with the Rona, so what about Trump?

    George Galloway writes at RT: ‘Long Covid’ IS a thing. It may well be a long time before Trump is clear of it and it may bring Boris Johnson down...


    The GLE (Greatest Living Englishman), Professor Michael Rosen spent 70 days in hospital with the coronavirus, much of it in a coma. Now on sticks and talking, though not so volubly as before, he is blind in one eye and deaf in one ear. It remains to be seen to what extent the former Children’s Laureate, poet, raconteur and phenomenally successful children’s author will rediscover his creative mojo.

    His is, apparently, a “Long Covid.” Though not an official medical term, it is growing in use among the many people who have suffered the virus for more than two weeks. Sufferers have reported a range of symptoms outside the regular Covid complaints (cough, fever, loss of taste and smell), including muscle aches, memory loss and depression.

    ...

    Trump is as human as everyone else stricken with this virus and, given his underlying conditions, it may put his health in serious danger. If he survives, he is unlikely to be the mauler he was last week in the presidential debate in Cleveland, Ohio.

    Boris Johnson is considerably younger than Rosen and Trump, and more fluent in Latin than Trump is in English. But he too is half the man he was. As a Covid survivor for whom, according to his doctors, it was “touch and go,” Johnson returned to work too early. Though he will have figured he had no choice with the Covid enemy at the gates, he has appeared increasingly like his ‘Spitting Image’ blimp but with half the air having been let out.
     

    Replies: @Redman, @Anonymous

    I enjoy George Galloway. But mostly when he’s giving a speech or debating. He likes to exaggerate as many good orators do. But this cite from RT leaves a lot of questions and answers few questions. Not particularly good writing.

    Having recovered from Covid in March, I’ve been surprisingly healthy since. I usually get 3-4 colds a year, but haven’t had one since WuFlu.

    My instinct tells me that the “long covid” folks are mostly imagining their normal health complaints (fatigue, muscle soreness, aches, etc.) as related to the virus. I went through a period like that too, but then realized it was just another damn hangover.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @Redman

    Social distancing has wiped out the cold, so it shouldn't surprise you.

  64. One of those strange conspiracy theories propagated by people who sneer at conspiracy theories.

  65. @J1234
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    He's not morbidly obese. He's just plain ol' obese.

    I don't know if this will be the next conspiracy theory. They'd have to make the case that Hope Hicks, Kayleigh McEnany and other infected people were also in on the conspiracy. His contracting the virus has been a real political plus for him in the last 48 hours, though - ever since the news media said he was in awful shape...and he broadcast from the hospital looking pretty good. The NYT claims he was "projecting strength" by leaving the hospital, but in reality (they say) had a "close call." And what was the close call? His oxygen levels were lowered a couple of times. They don't say how low. Could've been 90 or 91 or something, which is not a close call.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Redman, @J1234

    Trump can really use getting Rona to make lemonade.

    (1) He shows that the Rona isn’t as bad as everyone has been saying (and as he had previously said).
    (2) His quick recovery shows that people should not be so afraid, which encourages more states to open up and more people to push for opening up.
    (3) He shows that there are new treatments that are being developed in America and part of his Warp Speed policy.
    (4) He cannot be attacked by Biden and the Dems for “not taking it seriously” now that he’s had it and can speak from experience about what it’s like (similar to Rand Paul who’s been one of the few politicians to directly attack the reliability of St. Fauci’s pronouncements)

    I personally wish Trump had backed off his quest for a vaccine. But I realize that there are so many sheeple who’ve been scared out of their minds that they’ll never come back to normalcy until the doctor can give them some kind of pill (any pill will do) to make it better. By maintaining optimism that Americans will find a great vaccine (despite the fact that it’s probably bs) he shows the sheeple he’s at least trying to be a leader.

  66. @Known Fact
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Mental health side effects," "psychiatric evaluation" ... And this is the same medical establishment that says it's just fine to renounce your natural gender and have yourself surgically mutilated to go play for the other team

    Replies: @Dissident

    And this is the same medical establishment that says it’s just fine to renounce your natural gender sex and have yourself surgically mutilated to go play for the other team

    1.) To say nothing of the effects on mental health, often severe, that the excessive and often utterly illogical/indefensible/nonsensical lockdown restrictions inevitably result in.

    2.) Incidentally, note my correction;gender is a linguistic construct. Sex is the biological reality of whether one is male or female*.

    3.) Speaking of which, did no one else notice something odd about Dr. Megan Ranney’s appearance?

    4.) Still, it is difficult not to see at least some of the President’s behavior since being diagnosed with the Wuhan Virus as other than at least somewhat reckless. Or even to conclude that he should not have exercised at least some degree of caution against the risk of infection greater than the one that he often did.

    (*Yes, there are cases of true ambiguity; the inter-sexed; individuals born with malformed, indeterminate genitalia, etc. Such grotesque aberrations, however, are rare— considerably rarer than the already relatively rare number of individuals who are merely in denial/ delusional about the reality of their sex. Or at least, that was the case the last time I checked. By now, in this uber-Woke, Wuhan Virus overreach-induced stir-crazy world, who knows…)

  67. @RichardTaylor
    What's funny is how amateurish the claims against Trump have been. There's been nothing smart about their attacks on him.

    Trump has a certain marketing genius that works in the current political environment. But if the CIA, FBI, GOP, Dems, Davos Boys, Bilderbergers and Corporate America really had any brains, they should have been able to get rid of hiim.

    It sure seems like the Establishment is full of dummies.

    Replies: @Bill, @Alexander Turok

    Or that it is riven by factionalism and one of the factions is on Trump’s side.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Bill

    The seafood faction seems to be on his side:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-54434826

  68. @Bill
    @RichardTaylor

    Or that it is riven by factionalism and one of the factions is on Trump's side.

    Replies: @Cortes

    The seafood faction seems to be on his side:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-54434826

  69. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Not really on topic but by the way, there’s a low level war between Azerbaijan and Armenia sputtering along. Tanks getting blown up, artillery fired off, etc. It it worth noting that the Putler in Moscow so far sees no reason to intervene in it, and neither does Orange Literally Hitler in Washington, DC.

    This is good. Not the war, but rather the hands-offing-staying-out part.

  70. @RichardTaylor
    What's funny is how amateurish the claims against Trump have been. There's been nothing smart about their attacks on him.

    Trump has a certain marketing genius that works in the current political environment. But if the CIA, FBI, GOP, Dems, Davos Boys, Bilderbergers and Corporate America really had any brains, they should have been able to get rid of hiim.

    It sure seems like the Establishment is full of dummies.

    Replies: @Bill, @Alexander Turok

    “What’s funny is how amateurish the claims against Trump have been. There’s been nothing smart about their attacks on him.”

    Pretty much. They think the American people will be outraged! by the same kind of things that outrage! them. But Trump’s still gonna lose regardless. He will be the first president for whom serving four years in office without being impeached and removed is seen by his supporters as some kind of accomplishment.

  71. @Coemgen
    @Anonymous

    I didn't see Scott Adams' "five coincidences" but I can't unsee that this "hundred year virus" coincidently appeared just as the impeachment began to unravel (for lack of an underlying crime).

    What are the odds that the virus would should up randomly at that time?

    1 in 1,000 or so?

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    Yeah, China, Russia, Iran, pretty much the entire rest of the world coincidentally found this virus just because they want to undermine Dumb Prole President. You must have a Rick and Morty tier IQ.

  72. @Redman
    @El Dato

    I enjoy George Galloway. But mostly when he's giving a speech or debating. He likes to exaggerate as many good orators do. But this cite from RT leaves a lot of questions and answers few questions. Not particularly good writing.

    Having recovered from Covid in March, I've been surprisingly healthy since. I usually get 3-4 colds a year, but haven't had one since WuFlu.

    My instinct tells me that the "long covid" folks are mostly imagining their normal health complaints (fatigue, muscle soreness, aches, etc.) as related to the virus. I went through a period like that too, but then realized it was just another damn hangover.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    Social distancing has wiped out the cold, so it shouldn’t surprise you.

  73. @J1234
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    He's not morbidly obese. He's just plain ol' obese.

    I don't know if this will be the next conspiracy theory. They'd have to make the case that Hope Hicks, Kayleigh McEnany and other infected people were also in on the conspiracy. His contracting the virus has been a real political plus for him in the last 48 hours, though - ever since the news media said he was in awful shape...and he broadcast from the hospital looking pretty good. The NYT claims he was "projecting strength" by leaving the hospital, but in reality (they say) had a "close call." And what was the close call? His oxygen levels were lowered a couple of times. They don't say how low. Could've been 90 or 91 or something, which is not a close call.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Redman, @J1234

    Turns out his oxygen got down to like 93 or 92, according to some news channel…even higher than I thought. If you’ve ever visited anyone in the hospital and looked at their readings on the monitor, their oxygen levels will almost always vacillate some, even if they’re in good pulmonary health. 93 is only a couple points below the normal range. I don’t know if that was the “close call” the doctors or the NYT were talking about, but low oxygen levels were the only problem I saw mentioned in the article.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @J1234

    You are right, but I doubt whether Dr. Conley, who is a former navy doctor, has much experience with geriatric medicine. Probably he panicked and decided to cover his ass by throwing the kitchen sink at Trump, so that no one could say that he was negligent in the event of the president keeling over.

  74. @Jiminy
    Trump just came out of hospital and said how he feels twenty years younger. Chicks look out, the old boy is on the prowl looking for some more punani. Maybe there was viagra mixed into that drug cocktail.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    No, it is just the dexamethasone.

    When a person is already mentally unstable, it can push them over the edge into insanity.

    The alarming thing is that almost everyone who works in the White House seems to be coming down with the corona crud now as a result of shoddy infection control measures at the executive branch.

    This whole group of people seems to have become completely delusional as if the Trumpian insanity was an airborne infection wafting through the corridors of power.

    This whole idea of Trump “projecting” this or that is ridiculous. He is simply projecting that he has gone nuts, and in what way can that benefit the nation?

    And who is in charge of infection control in the White House? If they had a board-certified infection control nurse in the White House, she would accept no nonsense from Trump and his minions and soon have them whipped into shape and fully masked even going to bed in their pajamas, if my experience of such terrifying women is anything to go by.

    The way things are at the moment, you doubt if the people in the White House are even washing their hands after going to the bathroom like their mothers taught them.

    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think Trump is a fool who got caught up in his own macho act and got himself and a lot of other people infected. Who knows what will come of this for some of those infected people?. We know this epidemic is exaggerated and is being used by Pharma for profits and also by the Dems to discredit Trump. But there is also a real disease that is dangerous for some people. People who recklessly expose themselves and others to disease don’t look reliable. I think this will hurt Trump electorally, no? It ought to. A lot of his supporters are just clowns like him - strutters who aren’t really serious people. They will vote for him no matter what he does But he will lose at the margins because of this spectacle which he fostered. The problem is that a Biden - Harris victory will be gotterdammerung for whatever is left of the America Republic,

  75. @J1234
    @J1234

    Turns out his oxygen got down to like 93 or 92, according to some news channel...even higher than I thought. If you've ever visited anyone in the hospital and looked at their readings on the monitor, their oxygen levels will almost always vacillate some, even if they're in good pulmonary health. 93 is only a couple points below the normal range. I don't know if that was the "close call" the doctors or the NYT were talking about, but low oxygen levels were the only problem I saw mentioned in the article.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    You are right, but I doubt whether Dr. Conley, who is a former navy doctor, has much experience with geriatric medicine. Probably he panicked and decided to cover his ass by throwing the kitchen sink at Trump, so that no one could say that he was negligent in the event of the president keeling over.

  76. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jiminy

    No, it is just the dexamethasone.

    When a person is already mentally unstable, it can push them over the edge into insanity.

    The alarming thing is that almost everyone who works in the White House seems to be coming down with the corona crud now as a result of shoddy infection control measures at the executive branch.

    This whole group of people seems to have become completely delusional as if the Trumpian insanity was an airborne infection wafting through the corridors of power.

    This whole idea of Trump "projecting" this or that is ridiculous. He is simply projecting that he has gone nuts, and in what way can that benefit the nation?

    And who is in charge of infection control in the White House? If they had a board-certified infection control nurse in the White House, she would accept no nonsense from Trump and his minions and soon have them whipped into shape and fully masked even going to bed in their pajamas, if my experience of such terrifying women is anything to go by.

    The way things are at the moment, you doubt if the people in the White House are even washing their hands after going to the bathroom like their mothers taught them.

    Replies: @Achilles Wannabe

    I think Trump is a fool who got caught up in his own macho act and got himself and a lot of other people infected. Who knows what will come of this for some of those infected people?. We know this epidemic is exaggerated and is being used by Pharma for profits and also by the Dems to discredit Trump. But there is also a real disease that is dangerous for some people. People who recklessly expose themselves and others to disease don’t look reliable. I think this will hurt Trump electorally, no? It ought to. A lot of his supporters are just clowns like him – strutters who aren’t really serious people. They will vote for him no matter what he does But he will lose at the margins because of this spectacle which he fostered. The problem is that a Biden – Harris victory will be gotterdammerung for whatever is left of the America Republic,

  77. @El Dato
    Boris Johnson is pining for the Fjords (politically) after his brush with the Rona, so what about Trump?

    George Galloway writes at RT: ‘Long Covid’ IS a thing. It may well be a long time before Trump is clear of it and it may bring Boris Johnson down...


    The GLE (Greatest Living Englishman), Professor Michael Rosen spent 70 days in hospital with the coronavirus, much of it in a coma. Now on sticks and talking, though not so volubly as before, he is blind in one eye and deaf in one ear. It remains to be seen to what extent the former Children’s Laureate, poet, raconteur and phenomenally successful children’s author will rediscover his creative mojo.

    His is, apparently, a “Long Covid.” Though not an official medical term, it is growing in use among the many people who have suffered the virus for more than two weeks. Sufferers have reported a range of symptoms outside the regular Covid complaints (cough, fever, loss of taste and smell), including muscle aches, memory loss and depression.

    ...

    Trump is as human as everyone else stricken with this virus and, given his underlying conditions, it may put his health in serious danger. If he survives, he is unlikely to be the mauler he was last week in the presidential debate in Cleveland, Ohio.

    Boris Johnson is considerably younger than Rosen and Trump, and more fluent in Latin than Trump is in English. But he too is half the man he was. As a Covid survivor for whom, according to his doctors, it was “touch and go,” Johnson returned to work too early. Though he will have figured he had no choice with the Covid enemy at the gates, he has appeared increasingly like his ‘Spitting Image’ blimp but with half the air having been let out.
     

    Replies: @Redman, @Anonymous

    …he is blind in one eye and deaf in one ear.

    Also, he’s lame in one leg and sterile in one ball. Goes by the nickname “Lucky.”

  78. @Jonathan Mason
    @Coemgen

    It sounds like he had pneumonia. High fever, dropping O2 saturation, possibly short of breath, treated with dexamethasone, Nobody seems to have asked what his lung sounds were like with a stethoscope, or whether he had a chest x-ray.

    Anyway, he has recovered remarkably quickly without antibiotics, if the reports from his doctors are anything to go by, (which they are probably not).

    Is he going to be getting "world class care" in the White House.? Depends who is making the decisions. I can't see that world class doctors are applying for positions as the White House doctor at what would probably be a pay cut for them.

    He would probably be better off going to a top university hospital.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    “He would probably be better off going to a top university hospital.”

    In Geneva.

    That would give them something to talk about.

  79. Latest IHME Projections are in:

    394,000 Covid-19 deaths by February 1, 2021 ( Range: 374,000 – 421,000 )

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

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