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From the New York Post:

Why your swipes on Hinge and OKCupid might be racist
By Asia Grace February 19, 2021 | 11:41am | Updated

SWIPE WHITE: Authors of “The Dating Divide” find that black women face the most racial and sexual discrimination on dating apps.

Bumble will ban users for being ‘fat-phobic’ or ‘transphobic’

The authors of a new book are arguing for race-blind dating apps — and the removal of filters for race and ethnicity.

Finding love, they say, isn’t so black-and-white.

In a new book, “The Dating Divide: Race and Desire in the Era of Online Romance,” sociologists Jennifer Lundquist, Celeste Vaughan Curington and Ken Hou-Lin show how online dating sites exacerbate racial divisions.

They found that race-related “preference” filters on digital dating platforms help foster racist attitudes — especially toward black women.

“Filtering out people based on race is a normal practice on dating apps,” Lundquist told The Post.

“The idea of having racial preferences is unacceptable and illegal in any other arena,” she added. “But it’s literally built into the structure of these dating apps.”

For hiring NFL coaches, there’s the official Rooney Rule that a team must fly in for interviews at least one black candidate. Perhaps there will soon be a Rooney Rule for dating websites where you will have to take at least one black woman out to a $100+ dinner before you can see any white women?

A 2014 study about dating preferences along racial lines on OKCupid came to a similar conclusion: Black women had a hard time matching on dating apps, as did black and Asian men.

(The 2014 study also found that preferring to date within one’s race was fairly common. For instance, black women preferred to date black men at a rate surpassed only by Asian women’s preference for Asian men.)

 
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  1. As soon as you see the name “Asia” you know she’s not Asian.

    • LOL: Charles
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @victimofversetzung

    How about Asia Carrera? Definitely Asian. Perhaps not her real name though.

    , @Hibernian
    @victimofversetzung

    When I was in the National Guard a Hispanic sergeant named her daughter Asia.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Known Fact, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Edmandude
    @victimofversetzung

    Asia Carrera?

    Replies: @victimofversetzung

  2. Anon[348] • Disclaimer says:

    For instance, black women preferred to date black men at a rate surpassed only by Asian women’s preference for Asian men.

    Wait a minute. What?? Aren’t Asian women notoriously willing to date white men?

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KRkg8BrhRh8J:https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/why-does-race-matter-for-women+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us shows Asian women (who are graduate students at Columbia) preferring white men to Asian men. (Accepting 45% of White men compared to 44% of Asian men, but still.) Razib summarized the findings as “Asian dudes are really screwed. Not only are non-Asian women not impressed, but Asian women aren’t reciprocally racially discriminatory to level the playing field.”

    The 2008 study shows Asian women having by far the weakest preference for their own race of any female demographic. (Asian men appear to have an even weaker one.) What’s going on? These are not compatible ideas.

    • Agree: Pop Warner, mark green
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anon


    These are not compatible ideas.
     
    As are many things these days.

    But forced multi-racial sex? Well, we saw it coming some years ago.
    , @JohnPlywood
    @Anon

    Asian women may have had the strongest in-race preference if they declined to respond to black and Hispanic men at higher rates than other women.

    Nevertheless, Asia Grace's article was disingenuous. Online dating largely favors women of color; black women are the odd man out. White women on OKCupid actually performed worse than black women relative to their share of the population; literally no race of men showed a preference for white women. Men swipe left on white, according to the 2014 OkCupid data:

    https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.png

    The same results were obtained from a 2013 compilation of over 2 million interactions on the dating app Are You Interested. It also debunks the notion of a same race preference:

    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png


    The graphic shows what percentage of people responded to a “yes,” based on the gender and ethnicity of both parties (the data are only for opposite-sex pairs of people). Unsurprisingly, most “yes’s” go unanswered, but there are patterns: For example, Asian women responded to white men who “yessed” them 7.8% of the time, more often than they responded to any other race. On the other hand, white men responded to black women 8.5% of the time—less often than for white, Latino, or Asian women. In general, men responded to women about three times as often as women responded to men.

    Unfortunately the data reveal winners and losers. All men except Asians preferred Asian women, while all except black women preferred white men. And both black men and black women got the lowest response rates for their respective genders. Perhaps most surprising is that among men, all racial groups preferred another race over their own. AYI analyzed some 2.4 million heterosexual interactions—meaning every time a user clicked either “yes” or “skip”—to come up with these statistics. Its users skew older than Tinder’s—about two-thirds of AYI users are older than 35, according to a spokesperson.
     

    These stats make clear that the relative advantage or disadvantage of any race's men is not a part the bigger picture. The bigger picture is the disproportionate advantage women of color have in online dating relative to all other participants.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    , @Altai
    @Anon

    It's possible the author made a typo and meant 'surpassed only by Asian men’s preference for Asian women.'

    Alternatively, FoBs brah, FoBs. On the West Coast Asian enclaves have reached critical masses that Asians can practice racial and for some groups, even ethnic endogamy quite easily. Given how rapidly the population is growing, particularly from immigration, it's not surprising that a change like this could take people by surprise.

    OKCupid isn't Tinder, most woman are looking for something long term.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Yeah, it's fake news. Asian women, both East and South conferences, excel in the feminine dimensions of status-seeking/social-climbing and identifying good-enough compromise projects in view of the available supply quality. Hard floor on loserdom, but it only disqualifies obviously shoddy below-median whitemale.

    , @Burstblister
    @Anon

    You didn't really expect this article to suggest that any demographic of women has a preference for white men did you?

    The NYP probably isn't peddling to narrative, but there are tender feelings and fragile eggshells to tiptoe around.

    Damn the facts.

    , @bigdicknick
    @Anon

    i remember seeing a study that said all non-black women prefer white men.

    , @Truth
    @Anon

    Twiiiiiiiin-KEEEEEEY, come save uz!

  3. What about People Of Color who openly say that they would never date/marry a White person. These Woke dating articles always make the false assumption that people who only want to date/marry within their own race only exists in the White community!

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Luzzatto

    According to our state religion, white people are the cause of every bad thing that's ever happened or will ever happen.

  4. What I think is going on is media operations have figured out that black consumers are more likely to be reading/watching their content so they cater more to them.

    Blake women are dumped on in online dating. But the focus on black oppression here is kind of one-sided.

    Asian men have the $250k disadvantage in online dating. It is truly epic, monumental, almost comical how Asian men face this massive disadvantage in Western societies.

    But Asian men aren’t going to buy and read books like that.

  5. Steve,
    As a subset, what about the “yellow fever” of Jewish males? I see it all around in NYC whenever the twain shall meet (along with masked NE Asians long before pandemic time).

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Dan Hayes


    As a subset, what about the “yellow fever” of Jewish males?
     
    Widespread, common practice and it has nothing to do with money.

    Can't really say what it's about--not even on unz.com.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @Altai
    @Dan Hayes

    A person I used to work with was doing a PhD in a So Cal university, I forget which one. This was in the late 90s and he told me a story of a labmate of his who went on a date with his Asian girlfriend to a restaurant near the campus for Valentine's day. The two were mortified when they walked in and saw almost every couple was WM/AF. It obviously made them extremely self-conscious and so they decided to go elsewhere.

    People go on about certain men wanting 'submissive' women but really I think it's more men with more introverted personalities wanting partners are themselves or are accepting of that. They don't want the women to 'submit' to them, they're hardly the dominant type. This will lead said men in a multiracial society to become partnered disproportionately with Asian men. Even more so in a society where these personality traits tend to lead people into similar professions and educational backgrounds.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Anon
    @Dan Hayes

    Take Woody Allen and his step-daughter for example.

    , @gent
    @Dan Hayes

    Jewish male sexual behavior is irrelevant. The people are matrilineal. If you wish to know the way they are headed, check who their women are paired off with.

  6. Here in The Bay Area I am seeing a vast increase in White male/South Asian women couples (Indian) and a vast deceease in White male/North Asian women couples (Chinese). A decade or two ago it was the opposite.

    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it’s good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!

    • Replies: @indocon
    @Luzzatto

    Completely disagree with you, that half white/half Asian kid would most likely be a Christian growing up, vs definitely a Hindu with a Hindu mom. As has been talked about here quite a bit, Hindu Americans will pose the biggest risk to rump white Americans in future.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @AnotherDad, @CCG, @Hapalong Cassidy

    , @Polistra
    @Luzzatto

    Uh, passing for white isn't exactly going to be an advantage in the Brave New World.

    Replies: @S

    , @Bill P
    @Luzzatto

    My test for my sons is pretty simple. Could she stand up to your mother in a fight? She doesn't have to win, but she needs to last at least a minute.

    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I'd be OK with the relationship. I suppose it's possible, but it seems unlikely.

    I'm quite serious about this. How is there ever going to be peace in the family if there's no respect between the women?

    Replies: @anon, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Truth

    , @jon
    @Luzzatto


    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it’s good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!
     
    Well, I might agree that someone like Rory Cochrane ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Cochrane#/media/File:Rory_Cochrane.jpg
    looks whiter than, say, Dean Cain ...
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zmrAFDDty6Y/TeB63Pv8FGI/AAAAAAACJ7I/ZvngwsuNjfM/s1600/asian_celebrities_11.jpg
    but I'm not sure I can say he looks better because of it.

    Are there any other famous half-Indians? A quick search didn't turn up much.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @jimmyriddle, @Thatgirl

    , @Altai
    @Luzzatto

    Increase in Asian population will increase the ability and thus incidence of racial and ethnic endogamy, that's probably what you're seeing. Also Asian women, particularly US-born ones are becoming very self-conscious about it all.


    I’m An Asian Woman Engaged To A White Man And, Honestly, I’m Struggling With That
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/unlearning-asian-fetish_n_5c547bb1e4b09293b203b7ed

    Imagine writing an editorial at a prominent news site talking about how you're uncomfortable about the race of your fiancee, complete with a big picture of the two of you. If you're at that level of issues in your relationship it's hard to see how it got to marriage.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anonymous, @Anon, @Intensifier

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Luzzatto

    Dot Indians vary from dark to light.

    The SJWs ignore the caste system in India, the lighter, the higher the caste rank.

  7. At some point there will be a Rooney Rule for how we spend our money. At least 13% of our purchases will need to be from blacK-owned businesses, or from corporations with at least 13% blaCk board members or employees, or else we pay an income syntax.

    • Agree: Kyle
    • Replies: @indocon
    @Mike_from_SGV

    Will be lucky if it's only 13%. BTW, I am dying reading this post from Steve. Fun way to start a week.

    , @Luzzatto
    @Mike_from_SGV

    There are no Black owned businesses where I live. All of the Blacks in my area work for The Man!

    , @Change that Matters
    @Mike_from_SGV

    15% is the number you're looking for.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Mike_from_SGV

    At least 13% of our purchases will need to be from blacK-owned businesses, or from corporations with at least 13% blaCk board members or employees, or else we pay an income syntax.

    All through "Black History Month", Amazon was running a banner on top of your individual page 'buy from a black-owned business'. I myself always clicked on it because I figured it's really a fellow Jew who is paying some Black guy a few cents to nominally own the business.

    Replies: @Dissident

    , @Forbes
    @Mike_from_SGV

    I've said for about a decade that acceptance, affirmation, and championing of gays (LBGTQWERTY) will not be sufficient. In order to demonstrate your bona fides, you'll need to participate in homosexuality. It's your conduct that matters, not your words. Otherwise, you're just a bigot with discriminatory preferences...

    The idea of no preference filters for dating apps is just one step in that direction.

    Call it the Looney rule.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  8. I guess sooner or later a person’s online dating history will be grounds for cancelation.

    Of course, if the government does it,we can always fall back on those penumbrae so many around here find so objectionable. Granted, they’d probably find some way around it, but technically the right to privacy is on the books.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie


    technically the right to privacy is on the books.
     
    Where?

    Replies: @Rosie

  9. “Perhaps there will soon be a Rooney Rule for dating websites where you will have to take at least one black woman out to a $100+ dinner before you can see any white women?”

    Since miscegenation is the ultimate goal, negro males will not be required to date negro women before having access to white wymyns.

    • Thanks: Polistra
  10. Removing filters will solve the problem for dating sites as they will no longer be implicated in ‘racist practices’, but it won’t change anything in reality – people will simply do their own ‘filtering’ using their own eyes and as long as dating sites post pictures, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about that.

    So don’t worry, the sky is not falling… And you know, there was a time not that long ago when we used to find our mates without help from dating apps. Maybe try that, for a change!

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @raga10


    And you know, there was a time not that long ago when we used to find our mates without help from dating apps. Maybe try that, for a change!
     
    What? You mean like at a tavern? Or a college classroom? Or a church social?

    People actually socializing together, face-to-face?

    Ewwww! How gross!

    Such unhygenic meetings in germ-space between icky people disease-vectors will in future be banned, on account of the 'Rona.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    , @Jack D
    @raga10


    as long as dating sites post pictures,
     
    AirBnB already got rid of pictures so that property owners could not racistly see the race of people they were letting into their homes. It's only a matter of time before the dating sites do the same. If the measures they take now to root out racism (e.g. getting rid of the ability to filter by race) don't work, then they will have to take more effective measures. We cannot rest until the scourge of racism is completely purged from every aspect of our lives thanks to the efforts of our online masters. You will know when this has worked when the percentage of interracial couples that you see in real life is equal to the percentage you see in toothpaste ads (100%). Since the coming generation in the US is about 50% non-white, this creates the possibility that every single white person can be matched up with an non-white.

    Big Tech is a great blessing to Wokism because they are not constrained by the Constitutional limits placed on government action and yet provide a centralized chokepoint for the elimination of white supremacy.

    Replies: @raga10

    , @Cortes
    @raga10

    The photos are rarely less than 15 years out of date. And the snippets of info on careers tend to be optimistic. The sorts who may have enjoyed the “Liars’ Nights” (aka “Grab A Granny”) at certain dance venues.

  11. Why did the Mexican forbid his daughter from marrying a black man?

    He didn’t want his grand children to be too lazy to steal.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Stonewall Jackson

    A "culture war" joke making the rounds...

    The divisions over the culture wars are getting so bad the Republicans don't want their sons dating Democrats...and Democrats don't want their sons dating women.

  12. @Luzzatto
    Here in The Bay Area I am seeing a vast increase in White male/South Asian women couples (Indian) and a vast deceease in White male/North Asian women couples (Chinese). A decade or two ago it was the opposite.

    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it's good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!

    Replies: @indocon, @Polistra, @Bill P, @jon, @Altai, @SaneClownPosse

    Completely disagree with you, that half white/half Asian kid would most likely be a Christian growing up, vs definitely a Hindu with a Hindu mom. As has been talked about here quite a bit, Hindu Americans will pose the biggest risk to rump white Americans in future.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @indocon

    Blacks are the biggest problem by far.

    As for Hindus vs non-Hindu Subcontinentals, I think that non-Hindus might be even worse. Look at Canadian Sikhs or British Paki Muslims. The Sikhs are really obnoxious up north in Canada, especially around Vancouver/Surrey.

    I would agree that Subcontinentals are, per capita, worse than Hispanics. Mostly because they're more clannish, acquisitive, and culturally distinctive. More disagreeable too, which predisposes them to become raging SJWs.

    Replies: @Thatgirl

    , @AnotherDad
    @indocon


    Completely disagree with you, that half white/half Asian kid would most likely be a Christian growing up, vs definitely a Hindu with a Hindu mom. As has been talked about here quite a bit, Hindu Americans will pose the biggest risk to rump white Americans in future.
     
    Indocon, i accept your personal experience, but i know lots of Indians from grad-school and work.

    There's no doubt that Indians are the "tightest" Asian group in terms of mating in-group. I think i have a link some Asian guy posted here years ago, in my Demographics favorites folder.
    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.XnMmqK4w.Z3xWeQVK.dpbs

    (There's probably better/more recent data out there. If someone has a good link from Pew or someone else, great. I haven't looked around.)

    Also agree with you the Indians and their children are much less likely to be Christians than most other Asian groups. (I've made friends with a young Indian Christian couple that moved into our neighborhood, last year--really nice folks--but i grant they are not the norm.)

    But in my experience Hinduism is basically a non-starter even for 2nd generation Indians. The plain fact is their parents didn't come her to be great Hindus. No they came here because white Americans built a better, richer, less corrupt nation than India. I.e. they came to get ahead, make money and escape India. If they wanted to be great Hindus they would have stayed in India. Once here they may cling to Hinduism--the known and comfortable--but they made their choice. And made it for their kids--stripping them of full-connection to India and its culture.

    Hinduism just doesn't have any staying power in the US. It's basically like medieval Christianity in Europe. It is woven into the social fabric, supporting the feudal society. (Hinduism still does that to some extent--India still has pockets of what's essentially feudalism in North India.)

    Indian-Americans can try and morph Hinduism into something like Judaism--their tribal religion to build separate identity and keep the kids onside wherever they are. But Judaism evolved to be precisely that--a tribal religion that's job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society. Hinduism just isn't that--not yet. It's job is to provide support for Indian society and social structure. Here in America it's a floppy fish out of water.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer, @TimothyTimtim324

    , @CCG
    @indocon

    Not if those American men follow the practice of Portuguese men in Goa:

    Non-Catholic native woman converts to Catholicism before the marriage (including changing her original name to a Portuguese Catholic name at the time of her Baptism), and the resulting offspring are raised in the father's Catholic religion with Portuguese culture because the Portuguese family is a strict Patriarchy.

    e.g. Diogo Rodrigues married a converted Hindu Brahmin woman in 1512 and had two sons with her, his direct male-line Catholic descendants speak Portuguese and reside in the mansion he built in Goa.

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @indocon

    In the Indian diaspora, there are a considerable number of Christians, a much higher percentage than is found on the mainland. They are usually recognizable by their Portuguese surnames. And they have a very high rate of outmarriage. I’d venture to say that in most White-Indian marriages, the Indian is Christian. At least that’s been my personal observation. Hindu Indians are the complete opposite, and are probably the most clannish and least likely to outmarry of all Asian groups. And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese. I’d say Chinese-Americans are less likely to be Christian than Indian-Americans.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @TimothyTimtim324, @Luzzatto

  13. @Mike_from_SGV
    At some point there will be a Rooney Rule for how we spend our money. At least 13% of our purchases will need to be from blacK-owned businesses, or from corporations with at least 13% blaCk board members or employees, or else we pay an income syntax.

    Replies: @indocon, @Luzzatto, @Change that Matters, @kaganovitch, @Forbes

    Will be lucky if it’s only 13%. BTW, I am dying reading this post from Steve. Fun way to start a week.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  14. Black women had a hard time matching on dating apps, as did black and Asian men.

    Don’t tell Whiskey or Tiny Duck this.

    • LOL: TWS
    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Harry Baldwin

    Too late.

    Asian men are screwed. But black men? George Floyd had what, 7 kids. By five different mothers IIRC. His Cromartie index was high.

    Black men don't do online dating.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Mike Tre

    , @The Alarmist
    @Harry Baldwin

    Oh, it’s Duck... I thought the ‘u’ was a typo.

    , @Neoconned
    @Harry Baldwin

    There's a LOTTA shame and stigma for white & Asian and even many latina women who date black dudes.

    Asian and latino dudes know the CDCs statistic Steve has linked to before about black men having 6 to 7 times the rate of STIs has white dudes....evem having a woman tested for STDS can run you into the hundreds.

    Why waste your money or risk it? Just shame coalburners and let them "pay the toll".....

  15. @Mike_from_SGV
    At some point there will be a Rooney Rule for how we spend our money. At least 13% of our purchases will need to be from blacK-owned businesses, or from corporations with at least 13% blaCk board members or employees, or else we pay an income syntax.

    Replies: @indocon, @Luzzatto, @Change that Matters, @kaganovitch, @Forbes

    There are no Black owned businesses where I live. All of the Blacks in my area work for The Man!

  16. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,
    As a subset, what about the "yellow fever" of Jewish males? I see it all around in NYC whenever the twain shall meet (along with masked NE Asians long before pandemic time).

    Replies: @Polistra, @Altai, @Anon, @gent

    As a subset, what about the “yellow fever” of Jewish males?

    Widespread, common practice and it has nothing to do with money.

    Can’t really say what it’s about–not even on unz.com.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Polistra

    I can say what it's about: Jewish guys want reasonably intelligent women who don't hector, lecture, nag or otherwise remind them of their mothers.

    There's more to it, for sure, but that's always been the big issue. Remember the (mostly Jewish) guys in the movie Diner, set in 1960 Baltimore? One of them, Eddie (Steve Guttenberg), is about to get married, but isn't sure he's doing the right thing. To give himself a potential "out," he's making his fiancée, Elyse -- nice Jewish girl's name -- take a football quiz, mostly about his beloved Baltimore Colts. If she doesn't pass, "the wedding's off." Elyse, who has been studying hard for this test, barely makes it over the cut line to pass.

    Eddie takes it in stride, but says, "good thing she's not a ballbreaker. If she were a ballbreaker, no way would I go through with this." Eddie's mother -- naturally, a world-class ballbreaker. (No one would find the original Diner credible today: in the remake, Paul Reiser and Daniel Stern would try to fix up Steve Guttenberg with a nice, slender Chinese girl who's pre-med at Johns Hopkins.)

    Replies: @Not Raul, @kaganovitch, @Dissident

  17. @Luzzatto
    Here in The Bay Area I am seeing a vast increase in White male/South Asian women couples (Indian) and a vast deceease in White male/North Asian women couples (Chinese). A decade or two ago it was the opposite.

    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it's good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!

    Replies: @indocon, @Polistra, @Bill P, @jon, @Altai, @SaneClownPosse

    Uh, passing for white isn’t exactly going to be an advantage in the Brave New World.

    • Replies: @S
    @Polistra


    Uh, passing for white isn’t exactly going to be an advantage in the Brave New World.
     
    Right. It's not 1960 anymore.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/I_Passed_for_White.jpg

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Passed_for_White
  18. @Luzzatto
    Here in The Bay Area I am seeing a vast increase in White male/South Asian women couples (Indian) and a vast deceease in White male/North Asian women couples (Chinese). A decade or two ago it was the opposite.

    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it's good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!

    Replies: @indocon, @Polistra, @Bill P, @jon, @Altai, @SaneClownPosse

    My test for my sons is pretty simple. Could she stand up to your mother in a fight? She doesn’t have to win, but she needs to last at least a minute.

    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I’d be OK with the relationship. I suppose it’s possible, but it seems unlikely.

    I’m quite serious about this. How is there ever going to be peace in the family if there’s no respect between the women?

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @anon
    @Bill P


    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I’d be OK with the relationship.
     
    How would you feel about your grandchildren having Hindu first names?

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Bill P, @Inquiring Mind

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Bill P


    My test for my sons is pretty simple. Could she stand up to your mother in a fight? She doesn’t have to win, but she needs to last at least a minute.

    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I’d be OK with the relationship. I suppose it’s possible, but it seems unlikely.

    I’m quite serious about this. How is there ever going to be peace in the family if there’s no respect between the women?

     

    Women almost never settle their differences in a physical fight, and they don't have a concept of respect in the way that men do. Setting your wife up as the final boss matriarch to be struggled against for the hearts of your sons wouldn't be doing them any favors.

    Your only hope on this score is that your wife has healthy relationships with your sons which will permit her to recede from her role as the primary relationship in their lives by the time that they reach maturity and are seeking a stable, perhaps life long bond with a woman. Otherwise, there would never be peace in the family because your wife and your sons' intendeds will battle for their loyalty in the dissembling manner that women handle such power struggles. All of the women in the family will know that they're waging war against one another, but you and your sons may only catch 10-15% of the controversy and will think that they're all crazy (they are, but still). Small verbal digs that would go unnoticed between men, backhanded compliments, passive aggressive behavior, awkwardly bringing up past girlfriends, etc. Then when the happy couple first start celebrating holidays together, you will find that for whatever reason they can't make it to your house. Your son and daughter in law will finally make a holiday, and your wife will "forget" to put out the desert that your daughter in law made and brought. Or when the grandchildren are born, you could get very little time with them. So forth and so on. Expect your sons' wives to have control of the social calendar whether your sons fully grasp that fact or not.
    , @Truth
    @Bill P


    My test for my sons is pretty simple. Could she stand up to your mother in a fight? She doesn’t have to win, but she needs to last at least a minute.

     

    I guess it 's a good thing you didn't have daughters.

    Replies: @Bill P

  19. @Bill P
    @Luzzatto

    My test for my sons is pretty simple. Could she stand up to your mother in a fight? She doesn't have to win, but she needs to last at least a minute.

    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I'd be OK with the relationship. I suppose it's possible, but it seems unlikely.

    I'm quite serious about this. How is there ever going to be peace in the family if there's no respect between the women?

    Replies: @anon, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Truth

    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I’d be OK with the relationship.

    How would you feel about your grandchildren having Hindu first names?

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    @anon


    How would you feel about your grandchildren having Hindu first names?
     
    You don't think Bapjinder is a lovely name for a girl?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Bill P
    @anon

    Depends what it sounds like. I knew a half-hindu kid named Ravi, which isn't too bad. Hardeep I could do without.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @anon

    There are those folks from Southern India, however, who have names like "John" and "Mario" and "Joseph" and "Neil."

  20. @Anon

    For instance, black women preferred to date black men at a rate surpassed only by Asian women’s preference for Asian men.
     
    Wait a minute. What?? Aren't Asian women notoriously willing to date white men?

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KRkg8BrhRh8J:https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/why-does-race-matter-for-women+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us shows Asian women (who are graduate students at Columbia) preferring white men to Asian men. (Accepting 45% of White men compared to 44% of Asian men, but still.) Razib summarized the findings as "Asian dudes are really screwed. Not only are non-Asian women not impressed, but Asian women aren't reciprocally racially discriminatory to level the playing field."

    The 2008 study shows Asian women having by far the weakest preference for their own race of any female demographic. (Asian men appear to have an even weaker one.) What's going on? These are not compatible ideas.

    Replies: @El Dato, @JohnPlywood, @Altai, @Anonymous, @Burstblister, @bigdicknick, @Truth

    These are not compatible ideas.

    As are many things these days.

    But forced multi-racial sex? Well, we saw it coming some years ago.

  21. Bumble will ban users for being ‘fat-phobic’ or ‘transphobic’

    So a dating site will ban men who don’t want to date men, and women who don’t want to date women.

    What was the old joke about homosexuality? About not minding it being tolerated, but objecting to it becoming mandatory.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  22. Don’t go bald.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The guy on the left still has a chance. On Japanese TV recently, a show featured a guy who is prematurely bald but deals with it by growing the hair on the back of his head very long and then combing it in such a way that it goes over his bald areas but looks like he has a full head of hair. It was incredibly effective, but I think your hair has to be heavy enough for this strategy to work. The guys on the right should just shave it off. Clippers are $10 at Walmart.

    , @Bill Jones
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It's amazing what better lighting can do.

    , @mongoos
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I'm sure there are still those who feel that while baldness is a sign of virile masculinity, it also diminishes one's opportunities to find out. Be advised that there are LOTS of females out there who view our bald male heads as solar panels for a sex machine. I started going bald in high school and my hair was white before I turned thirty. I have been shaving my head for 35 years and have NEVER had a problem getting dates. It helps that I'm confident and in good shape. Lots of guys with full heads of hair are losers. Women can tell which is which.

  23. @raga10
    Removing filters will solve the problem for dating sites as they will no longer be implicated in 'racist practices', but it won't change anything in reality - people will simply do their own 'filtering' using their own eyes and as long as dating sites post pictures, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about that.

    So don't worry, the sky is not falling... And you know, there was a time not that long ago when we used to find our mates without help from dating apps. Maybe try that, for a change!

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Jack D, @Cortes

    And you know, there was a time not that long ago when we used to find our mates without help from dating apps. Maybe try that, for a change!

    What? You mean like at a tavern? Or a college classroom? Or a church social?

    People actually socializing together, face-to-face?

    Ewwww! How gross!

    Such unhygenic meetings in germ-space between icky people disease-vectors will in future be banned, on account of the ‘Rona.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Mr. Anon

    Wait until he finds out how babies are made!

    Talk about unhygienic.

  24. @indocon
    @Luzzatto

    Completely disagree with you, that half white/half Asian kid would most likely be a Christian growing up, vs definitely a Hindu with a Hindu mom. As has been talked about here quite a bit, Hindu Americans will pose the biggest risk to rump white Americans in future.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @AnotherDad, @CCG, @Hapalong Cassidy

    Blacks are the biggest problem by far.

    As for Hindus vs non-Hindu Subcontinentals, I think that non-Hindus might be even worse. Look at Canadian Sikhs or British Paki Muslims. The Sikhs are really obnoxious up north in Canada, especially around Vancouver/Surrey.

    I would agree that Subcontinentals are, per capita, worse than Hispanics. Mostly because they’re more clannish, acquisitive, and culturally distinctive. More disagreeable too, which predisposes them to become raging SJWs.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Thatgirl
    @JohnnyWalker123


    I would agree that Subcontinentals are, per capita, worse than Hispanics. Mostly because they’re more clannish, acquisitive, and culturally distinctive. More disagreeable too, which predisposes them to become raging SJWs.
     
    I am married to an Indian man (wish I’d read Steve Sailer before making that decision). Acquisitive and disagreeable are pretty much on the mark.
  25. @Anon

    For instance, black women preferred to date black men at a rate surpassed only by Asian women’s preference for Asian men.
     
    Wait a minute. What?? Aren't Asian women notoriously willing to date white men?

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KRkg8BrhRh8J:https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/why-does-race-matter-for-women+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us shows Asian women (who are graduate students at Columbia) preferring white men to Asian men. (Accepting 45% of White men compared to 44% of Asian men, but still.) Razib summarized the findings as "Asian dudes are really screwed. Not only are non-Asian women not impressed, but Asian women aren't reciprocally racially discriminatory to level the playing field."

    The 2008 study shows Asian women having by far the weakest preference for their own race of any female demographic. (Asian men appear to have an even weaker one.) What's going on? These are not compatible ideas.

    Replies: @El Dato, @JohnPlywood, @Altai, @Anonymous, @Burstblister, @bigdicknick, @Truth

    Asian women may have had the strongest in-race preference if they declined to respond to black and Hispanic men at higher rates than other women.

    Nevertheless, Asia Grace’s article was disingenuous. Online dating largely favors women of color; black women are the odd man out. White women on OKCupid actually performed worse than black women relative to their share of the population; literally no race of men showed a preference for white women. Men swipe left on white, according to the 2014 OkCupid data:

    The same results were obtained from a 2013 compilation of over 2 million interactions on the dating app Are You Interested. It also debunks the notion of a same race preference:

    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/

    The graphic shows what percentage of people responded to a “yes,” based on the gender and ethnicity of both parties (the data are only for opposite-sex pairs of people). Unsurprisingly, most “yes’s” go unanswered, but there are patterns: For example, Asian women responded to white men who “yessed” them 7.8% of the time, more often than they responded to any other race. On the other hand, white men responded to black women 8.5% of the time—less often than for white, Latino, or Asian women. In general, men responded to women about three times as often as women responded to men.

    Unfortunately the data reveal winners and losers. All men except Asians preferred Asian women, while all except black women preferred white men. And both black men and black women got the lowest response rates for their respective genders. Perhaps most surprising is that among men, all racial groups preferred another race over their own. AYI analyzed some 2.4 million heterosexual interactions—meaning every time a user clicked either “yes” or “skip”—to come up with these statistics. Its users skew older than Tinder’s—about two-thirds of AYI users are older than 35, according to a spokesperson.

    These stats make clear that the relative advantage or disadvantage of any race’s men is not a part the bigger picture. The bigger picture is the disproportionate advantage women of color have in online dating relative to all other participants.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @JohnPlywood

    "The bigger picture is the disproportionate advantage women of color have in online dating relative to all other participants."

    Because they put out faster.

  26. An extended life chapter of active single living, with good contraception, is the solution. People need to get out more and try different things. That way they will discover what they really like.

    Last night, my wife cooked lamb tagine, a Moroccan dish. Well, I discovered I don’t like it as much as, say, an ordinary, American meal of baked chicken. I would not have known this if I hadn’t tried lamb tagine.

    Similarly, I dated all kinds of women when I was single, and I found out what I like before I picked one to spend the rest of my life with. People should be encouraged to do this. Modern contraception makes it possible more than ever. It is part of the modern joie de vivre made possible by the advances of European Man: world travel, contraception, etc.

    We suffer the pains of this modern world our people built, so why not enjoy the pleasures of it? Men: Get out there and try the world buffet of women! (You women can do the same with the men of the world.)

    Eventually, you will come around to what you like best. Usually, it’s your own kind.

    • Agree: Abe
    • Disagree: El Dato, Change that Matters, Thea
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It's the constant fucking around that is at the root of many societal ills. You don't need to encourage it - modern office buildings are practically whorehouses.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Buzz Mohawk


    "(You women can do the same with the men of the world.)"
     
    Not so sure having casual sex with dozens of men (or more) before settling down is good advice for a young woman. Studies have shown that for women a larger number of sex partners before marriage increases the odds of eventual divorce. Not to mention that just because modern science has devised ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies doesn't mean there isn't such a thing as "damaged goods." Most men will recoil at the idea of marrying a woman who has a higher notch count than his, or one that exceeds some threshold.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anon, @theMann

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Buzz Mohawk


    An extended life chapter of active single living, with good contraception, is the solution. People need to get out more and try different things. That way they will discover what they really like.

    Last night, my wife cooked lamb tagine, a Moroccan dish. Well, I discovered I don’t like it as much as, say, an ordinary, American meal of baked chicken. I would not have known this if I hadn’t tried lamb tagine.

    Similarly, I dated all kinds of women when I was single, and I found out what I like before I picked one to spend the rest of my life with.
     
    I also cannot settle on a favorite meal until dozens of other men have first penetrated it with their phallus.
  27. What was the statistic in Freakonomics? Something like 93% of white women who said they were open to dating someone from another race, only dated whited.

  28. “The idea of having racial preferences is unacceptable and illegal in any other arena,” she added. “But it’s literally built into the structure of these dating apps.”

    Independent free weeklies have had these in their personal sections for decades. No matter how “woke” they were on racial issues, which was usually very. A capital W was in most of them.

    Long before online dating, there was the era of alt-weekly personal ads

    Ads for meeting people a little too personal

    The Rise and Fall of the Newspaper Personal Ad

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    I remember those. Westword in Denver had a good section of them, which I used a few times...

    (Note when clicking on my link to Westword: It's black, black, blackety-black in Denver now, like everywhere else.)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Polistra
    @Reg Cæsar

    All those ads from SBFs and SBMs demanding 'childless' from their mates. Uh, sure. Ain't got no keeyids {sfx: random stuff being pushed into the closet}

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Reg Cæsar

    From your link: A language existed for personal ads. SWM for Single White Male, GBF for Gay Black Female. C stood for couple, T for transgender. J could stand for Jewish or Japanese and probably caused many people confusion.

    And many people marriages.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  29. God, I am so glad I am done with dating.

    This has to be the dumbest controversy ever. Men are notoriously unfickle about female companionship. Every man who’s ever done online dating knows that if there’s a problem with black women finding online dates, the primary culprit is black women: Black women will only date black men. They are the single most exclusionary subgroup in the online dating world.

    This is not a secret. Back when I did online dating, it was common knowledge that no black woman would respond to your advances if you weren’t black. That didn’t stop guys from trying, of course, but they never succeeded. Sure, black girls aren’t being deluged with messages the way pretty white Beckys are, but they are not being ignored. Anybody who claims otherwise is lying. If they try to show you data that says otherwise, it’s fake.

    If you really want to be ignored on an online dating site, try being a nerdy white guy with a low-paying job.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Blank

    My 1997 article "Is Love Colorblind?" pointed out that black women and Asian men are undervalued in the dating market. I got a lot of emails from black women saying they liked black men and didn't much like nonblack men. That struck me as healthy yet unfortunate that there aren't all that high percentage of black en who are good husband prospects.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Barnard

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Blank

    My 1997 article "Is Love Colorblind?" pointed out that black women and Asian men are undervalued in the dating market. I got a lot of emails from black women saying they liked black men and didn't much like nonblack men. That struck me as healthy yet unfortunate that there aren't all that high percentage of black en who are good husband prospects.

  30. @indocon
    @Luzzatto

    Completely disagree with you, that half white/half Asian kid would most likely be a Christian growing up, vs definitely a Hindu with a Hindu mom. As has been talked about here quite a bit, Hindu Americans will pose the biggest risk to rump white Americans in future.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @AnotherDad, @CCG, @Hapalong Cassidy

    Completely disagree with you, that half white/half Asian kid would most likely be a Christian growing up, vs definitely a Hindu with a Hindu mom. As has been talked about here quite a bit, Hindu Americans will pose the biggest risk to rump white Americans in future.

    Indocon, i accept your personal experience, but i know lots of Indians from grad-school and work.

    There’s no doubt that Indians are the “tightest” Asian group in terms of mating in-group. I think i have a link some Asian guy posted here years ago, in my Demographics favorites folder.
    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.XnMmqK4w.Z3xWeQVK.dpbs

    (There’s probably better/more recent data out there. If someone has a good link from Pew or someone else, great. I haven’t looked around.)

    Also agree with you the Indians and their children are much less likely to be Christians than most other Asian groups. (I’ve made friends with a young Indian Christian couple that moved into our neighborhood, last year–really nice folks–but i grant they are not the norm.)

    But in my experience Hinduism is basically a non-starter even for 2nd generation Indians. The plain fact is their parents didn’t come her to be great Hindus. No they came here because white Americans built a better, richer, less corrupt nation than India. I.e. they came to get ahead, make money and escape India. If they wanted to be great Hindus they would have stayed in India. Once here they may cling to Hinduism–the known and comfortable–but they made their choice. And made it for their kids–stripping them of full-connection to India and its culture.

    Hinduism just doesn’t have any staying power in the US. It’s basically like medieval Christianity in Europe. It is woven into the social fabric, supporting the feudal society. (Hinduism still does that to some extent–India still has pockets of what’s essentially feudalism in North India.)

    Indian-Americans can try and morph Hinduism into something like Judaism–their tribal religion to build separate identity and keep the kids onside wherever they are. But Judaism evolved to be precisely that–a tribal religion that’s job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society. Hinduism just isn’t that–not yet. It’s job is to provide support for Indian society and social structure. Here in America it’s a floppy fish out of water.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Hinduism seems in some ways to be a HIGHLY intellectualized version of paganism, and so is rooted in the cultural milieu.
    I am thinking of a very intellectual panentheism. (Even if for most it is probably much less intellectual.)
    By contrast, Christianity, Islam and Buddhism clearly reject that framework.
    I suspect that a better explanation for why a consideral number of "South Asians" (in the US) adopt harmful views is that they are left bereft by their religious heritage. They have been raised to integrate the spiritual and the intellectual, and yet "Hinduism" does not appeal. They replace it with "wokeism" or whatever you wish to call it.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad


    But Judaism evolved to be precisely that–a tribal religion that’s job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society.
     
    How many Jews do you actually know?

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    , @TimothyTimtim324
    @AnotherDad

    This comports exactly with my experience. I have known many Indians, all non-religious (agnostic and only Hindu as a weakly held "family tradition" or whatever) and very Americanized (love black music for example). They all tend to group together, probably more so than any other race. I've seen many same-sex friendships between Indians and whites, but I've heard of hardly any cases of whites and Indians dating.

  31. @Reg Cæsar

    “The idea of having racial preferences is unacceptable and illegal in any other arena,” she added. “But it’s literally built into the structure of these dating apps.”

     

    Independent free weeklies have had these in their personal sections for decades. No matter how "woke" they were on racial issues, which was usually very. A capital W was in most of them.


    Long before online dating, there was the era of alt-weekly personal ads

    Ads for meeting people a little too personal

    The Rise and Fall of the Newspaper Personal Ad



    https://media2.fdncms.com/metrotimes/imager/u/slideshow/23831407/feature2_personals_valentines-copy.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Polistra, @Harry Baldwin

    I remember those. Westword in Denver had a good section of them, which I used a few times…

    (Note when clicking on my link to Westword: It’s black, black, blackety-black in Denver now, like everywhere else.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Denver has had these for well over a century:


    10 awkward personal ads from yesteryear

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  32. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    I remember those. Westword in Denver had a good section of them, which I used a few times...

    (Note when clicking on my link to Westword: It's black, black, blackety-black in Denver now, like everywhere else.)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Denver has had these for well over a century:

    10 awkward personal ads from yesteryear

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    LOL. I have to tell you, Reg, the Denver-Boulder area was, when I was there at least, an amazing place for a single person! Maybe it's the altitude, the thin air, but every proclivity, and all the Variations seemed available, in beautiful form.

  33. jon says:

    Back in 2013, there was a study done on racial preferences in online dating. They found that, among women, White men were the most popular and black men were the least. Among men, it was Asian ladies in the top spot, and blacks again on the bottom.
    So although the data showed a lot of interest in interracial dating in general, there was very little interest in interracial dating by non-blacks of either gender with blacks. And the powers that be couldn’t handle it. You’ll notice that that is around the same time we really started to see the black-white interracial couples that Biden is so excited about.
    You’ve probably seen the now famous graphic, but here is a link if you haven’t: https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/

  34. @Anon

    For instance, black women preferred to date black men at a rate surpassed only by Asian women’s preference for Asian men.
     
    Wait a minute. What?? Aren't Asian women notoriously willing to date white men?

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KRkg8BrhRh8J:https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/why-does-race-matter-for-women+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us shows Asian women (who are graduate students at Columbia) preferring white men to Asian men. (Accepting 45% of White men compared to 44% of Asian men, but still.) Razib summarized the findings as "Asian dudes are really screwed. Not only are non-Asian women not impressed, but Asian women aren't reciprocally racially discriminatory to level the playing field."

    The 2008 study shows Asian women having by far the weakest preference for their own race of any female demographic. (Asian men appear to have an even weaker one.) What's going on? These are not compatible ideas.

    Replies: @El Dato, @JohnPlywood, @Altai, @Anonymous, @Burstblister, @bigdicknick, @Truth

    It’s possible the author made a typo and meant ‘surpassed only by Asian men’s preference for Asian women.’

    Alternatively, FoBs brah, FoBs. On the West Coast Asian enclaves have reached critical masses that Asians can practice racial and for some groups, even ethnic endogamy quite easily. Given how rapidly the population is growing, particularly from immigration, it’s not surprising that a change like this could take people by surprise.

    OKCupid isn’t Tinder, most woman are looking for something long term.

  35. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Denver has had these for well over a century:


    10 awkward personal ads from yesteryear

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    LOL. I have to tell you, Reg, the Denver-Boulder area was, when I was there at least, an amazing place for a single person! Maybe it’s the altitude, the thin air, but every proclivity, and all the Variations seemed available, in beautiful form.

  36. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    For instance, black women preferred to date black men at a rate surpassed only by Asian women’s preference for Asian men.
     
    Wait a minute. What?? Aren't Asian women notoriously willing to date white men?

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KRkg8BrhRh8J:https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/why-does-race-matter-for-women+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us shows Asian women (who are graduate students at Columbia) preferring white men to Asian men. (Accepting 45% of White men compared to 44% of Asian men, but still.) Razib summarized the findings as "Asian dudes are really screwed. Not only are non-Asian women not impressed, but Asian women aren't reciprocally racially discriminatory to level the playing field."

    The 2008 study shows Asian women having by far the weakest preference for their own race of any female demographic. (Asian men appear to have an even weaker one.) What's going on? These are not compatible ideas.

    Replies: @El Dato, @JohnPlywood, @Altai, @Anonymous, @Burstblister, @bigdicknick, @Truth

    Yeah, it’s fake news. Asian women, both East and South conferences, excel in the feminine dimensions of status-seeking/social-climbing and identifying good-enough compromise projects in view of the available supply quality. Hard floor on loserdom, but it only disqualifies obviously shoddy below-median whitemale.

  37. jon says:
    @Luzzatto
    Here in The Bay Area I am seeing a vast increase in White male/South Asian women couples (Indian) and a vast deceease in White male/North Asian women couples (Chinese). A decade or two ago it was the opposite.

    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it's good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!

    Replies: @indocon, @Polistra, @Bill P, @jon, @Altai, @SaneClownPosse

    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it’s good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!

    Well, I might agree that someone like Rory Cochrane …

    looks whiter than, say, Dean Cain …

    but I’m not sure I can say he looks better because of it.

    Are there any other famous half-Indians? A quick search didn’t turn up much.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    @jon

    Dean Cain looks White and he is not half Asian he's less than that. His dad is a Hapa mix and not pure Japanese.

    Dean Cain played White murderer Scott Peterson in a Lifetime film!

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @jon


    Are there any other famous half-Indians? A quick search didn’t turn up much.
     
    IIRC, Boris Karloff and Vivien Leigh have significant Indian ancestry. It shows up phenotypically in Karloff, but I don't think it shows up at all in Leigh.

    Also, Kate Beckinsale's father is part Burmese, but she looks like the quintessential English Rose.
    , @jimmyriddle
    @jon

    Mark Ramprakash

    https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02269/ramps_2269050a.jpg

    , @Thatgirl
    @jon

    Norah Jones - daughter of Quincy Jones and Indian mother and, of course, Kamala Harris.

    Replies: @CCG

  38. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,
    As a subset, what about the "yellow fever" of Jewish males? I see it all around in NYC whenever the twain shall meet (along with masked NE Asians long before pandemic time).

    Replies: @Polistra, @Altai, @Anon, @gent

    A person I used to work with was doing a PhD in a So Cal university, I forget which one. This was in the late 90s and he told me a story of a labmate of his who went on a date with his Asian girlfriend to a restaurant near the campus for Valentine’s day. The two were mortified when they walked in and saw almost every couple was WM/AF. It obviously made them extremely self-conscious and so they decided to go elsewhere.

    People go on about certain men wanting ‘submissive’ women but really I think it’s more men with more introverted personalities wanting partners are themselves or are accepting of that. They don’t want the women to ‘submit’ to them, they’re hardly the dominant type. This will lead said men in a multiracial society to become partnered disproportionately with Asian men. Even more so in a society where these personality traits tend to lead people into similar professions and educational backgrounds.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Altai

    This will lead said men in a multiracial society to become partnered disproportionately with Asian men.

    I think G. Cochran's theory of gayness is better grounded.

  39. jon says:

    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it’s good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!

    Well, I might agree that someone like Rory Cochrane …

    looks whiter than, say, Dean Cain …

    but I’m not sure I can say he looks better because of it.

    Are there any other famous half-Indians? A quick search didn’t turn up much.

  40. @Harry Baldwin
    Black women had a hard time matching on dating apps, as did black and Asian men.

    Don't tell Whiskey or Tiny Duck this.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @The Alarmist, @Neoconned

    Too late.

    Asian men are screwed. But black men? George Floyd had what, 7 kids. By five different mothers IIRC. His Cromartie index was high.

    Black men don’t do online dating.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Whiskey

    Admittedly off topic but-speaking of George Floyd-Hollywood at its best couldn't produce a better stereotype than George Floyd.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Whiskey

    https://www.blackpeoplemeet.com/

  41. @Luzzatto
    Here in The Bay Area I am seeing a vast increase in White male/South Asian women couples (Indian) and a vast deceease in White male/North Asian women couples (Chinese). A decade or two ago it was the opposite.

    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it's good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!

    Replies: @indocon, @Polistra, @Bill P, @jon, @Altai, @SaneClownPosse

    Increase in Asian population will increase the ability and thus incidence of racial and ethnic endogamy, that’s probably what you’re seeing. Also Asian women, particularly US-born ones are becoming very self-conscious about it all.

    I’m An Asian Woman Engaged To A White Man And, Honestly, I’m Struggling With That
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/unlearning-asian-fetish_n_5c547bb1e4b09293b203b7ed

    Imagine writing an editorial at a prominent news site talking about how you’re uncomfortable about the race of your fiancee, complete with a big picture of the two of you. If you’re at that level of issues in your relationship it’s hard to see how it got to marriage.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Altai


    Imagine writing an editorial at a prominent news site talking about how you’re uncomfortable about the race of your fiancee, complete with a big picture of the two of you. If you’re at that level of issues in your relationship it’s hard to see how it got to marriage.
     
    She just wants the benefits of a white male mate without the demerits. With her make-believe 'anti-racist' screed she hopes to inoculate herself. Her partner is typical brainwashed goodwhite so he's down with the plan.

    Incidentally, a few sentences or a look in her eyes is all one needs to know: she's planning on becoming an unholy terror to him. When it's convenient.

    , @Anonymous
    @Altai

    "So I returned to him with homework. “You can rationalize your dating history all you want,” I said one night in bed. (Do Asian women have a reputation for being good at pillow talk by the way? Because I feel like I’m killing it.) “But you can’t deny how it looks from the outside. And most importantly, you have to consider how it makes the women you’ve dated feel. Think about how it feels to be one in a line of many women who look like you. How replaceable must that make one feel? How demeaning is that?”

    I read that article initially feeling a human sympathy for both, and now I am thinking "nuke it from orbit".
    I am not intellectually endorsing that, but those are muh feelz.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Bardon Kaldian

    , @Anon
    @Altai


    Imagine writing an editorial at a prominent news site talking about how you’re uncomfortable about the race of your fiancee
     
    In this day and age I would never marry a writer, especially one who, like this Chang woman, lives off of clickbait, freelance stuff. Such a woman is always going to be humiliating and emasculating you.

    The conservative blogger/Minneapolis StarTribune columnist James Lileks is apparently married to a female attorney, but he has never mentioned her in any detail and you could read him for quite a while thinking he was a single dad. I have read elsewhere that his wife made it clear to him that she did not want to become a recurring character in his writing and was thus not to be mentioned. I wonder if Ms. Chang would consent to such a rule? I doubt it.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @Intensifier
    @Altai

    I think behind some of that is the fact that Asian women - particularly the prettier ones - are very well aware of how widespread the "yellow fever" fetish for Asians is among white Western men.

    In my professional life I interact with many Korean/Malaysian/Singaporean women and its purely anecdotal of course but I get the impression that they are very self-conscious about being pursued because they are NOT white westerners and thus seen, rightly or wrongly, as less likely to be ball-breaking bitches....a pre-conception incidentally that in my experience is false. Women are women. High maintenance wherever you find them.

    Replies: @Dissident

  42. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @indocon


    Completely disagree with you, that half white/half Asian kid would most likely be a Christian growing up, vs definitely a Hindu with a Hindu mom. As has been talked about here quite a bit, Hindu Americans will pose the biggest risk to rump white Americans in future.
     
    Indocon, i accept your personal experience, but i know lots of Indians from grad-school and work.

    There's no doubt that Indians are the "tightest" Asian group in terms of mating in-group. I think i have a link some Asian guy posted here years ago, in my Demographics favorites folder.
    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.XnMmqK4w.Z3xWeQVK.dpbs

    (There's probably better/more recent data out there. If someone has a good link from Pew or someone else, great. I haven't looked around.)

    Also agree with you the Indians and their children are much less likely to be Christians than most other Asian groups. (I've made friends with a young Indian Christian couple that moved into our neighborhood, last year--really nice folks--but i grant they are not the norm.)

    But in my experience Hinduism is basically a non-starter even for 2nd generation Indians. The plain fact is their parents didn't come her to be great Hindus. No they came here because white Americans built a better, richer, less corrupt nation than India. I.e. they came to get ahead, make money and escape India. If they wanted to be great Hindus they would have stayed in India. Once here they may cling to Hinduism--the known and comfortable--but they made their choice. And made it for their kids--stripping them of full-connection to India and its culture.

    Hinduism just doesn't have any staying power in the US. It's basically like medieval Christianity in Europe. It is woven into the social fabric, supporting the feudal society. (Hinduism still does that to some extent--India still has pockets of what's essentially feudalism in North India.)

    Indian-Americans can try and morph Hinduism into something like Judaism--their tribal religion to build separate identity and keep the kids onside wherever they are. But Judaism evolved to be precisely that--a tribal religion that's job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society. Hinduism just isn't that--not yet. It's job is to provide support for Indian society and social structure. Here in America it's a floppy fish out of water.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer, @TimothyTimtim324

    Hinduism seems in some ways to be a HIGHLY intellectualized version of paganism, and so is rooted in the cultural milieu.
    I am thinking of a very intellectual panentheism. (Even if for most it is probably much less intellectual.)
    By contrast, Christianity, Islam and Buddhism clearly reject that framework.
    I suspect that a better explanation for why a consideral number of “South Asians” (in the US) adopt harmful views is that they are left bereft by their religious heritage. They have been raised to integrate the spiritual and the intellectual, and yet “Hinduism” does not appeal. They replace it with “wokeism” or whatever you wish to call it.

  43. @Reg Cæsar

    “The idea of having racial preferences is unacceptable and illegal in any other arena,” she added. “But it’s literally built into the structure of these dating apps.”

     

    Independent free weeklies have had these in their personal sections for decades. No matter how "woke" they were on racial issues, which was usually very. A capital W was in most of them.


    Long before online dating, there was the era of alt-weekly personal ads

    Ads for meeting people a little too personal

    The Rise and Fall of the Newspaper Personal Ad



    https://media2.fdncms.com/metrotimes/imager/u/slideshow/23831407/feature2_personals_valentines-copy.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Polistra, @Harry Baldwin

    All those ads from SBFs and SBMs demanding ‘childless’ from their mates. Uh, sure. Ain’t got no keeyids {sfx: random stuff being pushed into the closet}

  44. @Altai
    @Luzzatto

    Increase in Asian population will increase the ability and thus incidence of racial and ethnic endogamy, that's probably what you're seeing. Also Asian women, particularly US-born ones are becoming very self-conscious about it all.


    I’m An Asian Woman Engaged To A White Man And, Honestly, I’m Struggling With That
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/unlearning-asian-fetish_n_5c547bb1e4b09293b203b7ed

    Imagine writing an editorial at a prominent news site talking about how you're uncomfortable about the race of your fiancee, complete with a big picture of the two of you. If you're at that level of issues in your relationship it's hard to see how it got to marriage.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anonymous, @Anon, @Intensifier

    Imagine writing an editorial at a prominent news site talking about how you’re uncomfortable about the race of your fiancee, complete with a big picture of the two of you. If you’re at that level of issues in your relationship it’s hard to see how it got to marriage.

    She just wants the benefits of a white male mate without the demerits. With her make-believe ‘anti-racist’ screed she hopes to inoculate herself. Her partner is typical brainwashed goodwhite so he’s down with the plan.

    Incidentally, a few sentences or a look in her eyes is all one needs to know: she’s planning on becoming an unholy terror to him. When it’s convenient.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  45. CCG says:
    @indocon
    @Luzzatto

    Completely disagree with you, that half white/half Asian kid would most likely be a Christian growing up, vs definitely a Hindu with a Hindu mom. As has been talked about here quite a bit, Hindu Americans will pose the biggest risk to rump white Americans in future.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @AnotherDad, @CCG, @Hapalong Cassidy

    Not if those American men follow the practice of Portuguese men in Goa:

    Non-Catholic native woman converts to Catholicism before the marriage (including changing her original name to a Portuguese Catholic name at the time of her Baptism), and the resulting offspring are raised in the father’s Catholic religion with Portuguese culture because the Portuguese family is a strict Patriarchy.

    e.g. Diogo Rodrigues married a converted Hindu Brahmin woman in 1512 and had two sons with her, his direct male-line Catholic descendants speak Portuguese and reside in the mansion he built in Goa.

  46. I think black women realising they are being filtered out by eligible black men is the unspoken phenomena that is behind racial filtering being objected to. The problem is increasing numbers of open minded white women.

  47. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    @Luzzatto

    Increase in Asian population will increase the ability and thus incidence of racial and ethnic endogamy, that's probably what you're seeing. Also Asian women, particularly US-born ones are becoming very self-conscious about it all.


    I’m An Asian Woman Engaged To A White Man And, Honestly, I’m Struggling With That
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/unlearning-asian-fetish_n_5c547bb1e4b09293b203b7ed

    Imagine writing an editorial at a prominent news site talking about how you're uncomfortable about the race of your fiancee, complete with a big picture of the two of you. If you're at that level of issues in your relationship it's hard to see how it got to marriage.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anonymous, @Anon, @Intensifier

    “So I returned to him with homework. “You can rationalize your dating history all you want,” I said one night in bed. (Do Asian women have a reputation for being good at pillow talk by the way? Because I feel like I’m killing it.) “But you can’t deny how it looks from the outside. And most importantly, you have to consider how it makes the women you’ve dated feel. Think about how it feels to be one in a line of many women who look like you. How replaceable must that make one feel? How demeaning is that?”

    I read that article initially feeling a human sympathy for both, and now I am thinking “nuke it from orbit”.
    I am not intellectually endorsing that, but those are muh feelz.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Anonymous


    Think about how it feels to be one in a line of many women who look like you
     
    So she's saying they all look alike?
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anonymous

    It's not the same because of the anatomy. No cultural relativism can change this.

    A key that can open many locks is called a master key, but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock.

    Replies: @JMcG

  48. Anon[894] • Disclaimer says:

    Are they saying that people are doing less inter-race dating online than they did before these apps?

    I don’t think that’s true.

    —–

    The research from OkCupid is described here at HuffPo:

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/okcupid-race_n_5811840

    Summary:

    — All men want Asian women

    — Latins and white women are popular with all races except black men (mildly negative)

    — All men besides black men avoid black women

    — Women generally prefer their own race, but …

    — Latina women also like white guys, and Asian women prefer white guys while also liking Asian guys

    — Asian women really don’t like black guys, lowest ratings in the entire study

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Anon

    I dated a few Chicas in my days back in América del Norte,, and still occasionally look wistfully on what was via weather babes like Susy here ...

    https://youtu.be/jtr4_D5hJBo


    The only problem is that most Chicas don’t age as well as Northern European types.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Buzz Mohawk, @Rockford Tyson

    , @theMann
    @Anon

    Man, oh man, y'all are none of you top flight predators.

    Second thing you learn sleeping around is that non-white chicks are BAT SHIT CRAZY for having good looking White guys go down on them. It allows them to pretend they are just as beautiful and desirable as White chicks. This segues into the first rule:

    For women, sex is never "just sex" and always has some ulterior motive attached (even if it is just money). Figure the ulterior motives, own

    You are fools if you don't date Black women. They have no sexual hang-ups and they expect their guys to cheat on them. Also, from what a lot of them have told me, they dont like Black guys.......roughness.

    So remember these rules:

    1. Women lie.
    2. Stay fit.
    3. Dont talk about any woman behind her back.
    4. Make them show you the birth control
    5. Hydrogen peroxide is your friend.
    6. Women lie.

  49. Anon[894] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    @Luzzatto

    Increase in Asian population will increase the ability and thus incidence of racial and ethnic endogamy, that's probably what you're seeing. Also Asian women, particularly US-born ones are becoming very self-conscious about it all.


    I’m An Asian Woman Engaged To A White Man And, Honestly, I’m Struggling With That
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/unlearning-asian-fetish_n_5c547bb1e4b09293b203b7ed

    Imagine writing an editorial at a prominent news site talking about how you're uncomfortable about the race of your fiancee, complete with a big picture of the two of you. If you're at that level of issues in your relationship it's hard to see how it got to marriage.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anonymous, @Anon, @Intensifier

    Imagine writing an editorial at a prominent news site talking about how you’re uncomfortable about the race of your fiancee

    In this day and age I would never marry a writer, especially one who, like this Chang woman, lives off of clickbait, freelance stuff. Such a woman is always going to be humiliating and emasculating you.

    The conservative blogger/Minneapolis StarTribune columnist James Lileks is apparently married to a female attorney, but he has never mentioned her in any detail and you could read him for quite a while thinking he was a single dad. I have read elsewhere that his wife made it clear to him that she did not want to become a recurring character in his writing and was thus not to be mentioned. I wonder if Ms. Chang would consent to such a rule? I doubt it.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon


    The conservative blogger/Minneapolis StarTribune columnist James Lileks is apparently married to a female attorney, but he has never mentioned her in any detail and you could read him for quite a while thinking he was a single dad. I have read elsewhere that his wife made it clear to him that she did not want to become a recurring character in his writing and was thus not to be mentioned. I wonder if Ms. Chang would consent to such a rule? I doubt it.

     

    I'm also a long-time Lileks reader, and I agree it's remarkable how little detail you get about the Mrs. She's a lawyer, she plays tennis, and she's not much interested in technology. That's about it. No sense of personality at all.

    It's remarkable that he keeps her profile so low-key, because on every other topic, Lileks goes into some detail, to say the least.
  50. @Buzz Mohawk
    An extended life chapter of active single living, with good contraception, is the solution. People need to get out more and try different things. That way they will discover what they really like.

    Last night, my wife cooked lamb tagine, a Moroccan dish. Well, I discovered I don't like it as much as, say, an ordinary, American meal of baked chicken. I would not have known this if I hadn't tried lamb tagine.

    Similarly, I dated all kinds of women when I was single, and I found out what I like before I picked one to spend the rest of my life with. People should be encouraged to do this. Modern contraception makes it possible more than ever. It is part of the modern joie de vivre made possible by the advances of European Man: world travel, contraception, etc.

    We suffer the pains of this modern world our people built, so why not enjoy the pleasures of it? Men: Get out there and try the world buffet of women! (You women can do the same with the men of the world.)

    Eventually, you will come around to what you like best. Usually, it's your own kind.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    It’s the constant fucking around that is at the root of many societal ills. You don’t need to encourage it – modern office buildings are practically whorehouses.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @El Dato

    Thank you. what's Buzz's problem? Can't date and get to know women without screwing? Maybe it's because all his dates centered around drinking alcohol. I tell people, if you can't enjoy each other sober, then you're likely not a good match.

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @El Dato

    Now that you mention it, office environments seem almost designed to encourage this kind of thing. A man looks his best in a good suit, and the women, OMG, they look great in what they wear to work.
    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/young-business-man-beautiful-business-woman-sitting-offic-men-women-office-chairs-isolated-white-background-48886024.jpg
    Traditional office clothing seems designed to accentuate the sexes, to a very positive effect!

    I'm saying go with it and find out what you like, and I'm not sure the "fucking around" is "at the root of many societal ills." For all we know, society would be even worse without the fucking around -- so I say fuck around! What is life for?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Abe, @TWS, @nebulafox, @dfordoom

  51. @Altai
    @Luzzatto

    Increase in Asian population will increase the ability and thus incidence of racial and ethnic endogamy, that's probably what you're seeing. Also Asian women, particularly US-born ones are becoming very self-conscious about it all.


    I’m An Asian Woman Engaged To A White Man And, Honestly, I’m Struggling With That
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/unlearning-asian-fetish_n_5c547bb1e4b09293b203b7ed

    Imagine writing an editorial at a prominent news site talking about how you're uncomfortable about the race of your fiancee, complete with a big picture of the two of you. If you're at that level of issues in your relationship it's hard to see how it got to marriage.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anonymous, @Anon, @Intensifier

    I think behind some of that is the fact that Asian women – particularly the prettier ones – are very well aware of how widespread the “yellow fever” fetish for Asians is among white Western men.

    In my professional life I interact with many Korean/Malaysian/Singaporean women and its purely anecdotal of course but I get the impression that they are very self-conscious about being pursued because they are NOT white westerners and thus seen, rightly or wrongly, as less likely to be ball-breaking bitches….a pre-conception incidentally that in my experience is false. Women are women. High maintenance wherever you find them.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Intensifier


    Women are women. High maintenance wherever you find them.
     
    As the old saw goes, can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em...

    Replies: @Rex Little

  52. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,
    As a subset, what about the "yellow fever" of Jewish males? I see it all around in NYC whenever the twain shall meet (along with masked NE Asians long before pandemic time).

    Replies: @Polistra, @Altai, @Anon, @gent

    Take Woody Allen and his step-daughter for example.

  53. @Anon
    @Altai


    Imagine writing an editorial at a prominent news site talking about how you’re uncomfortable about the race of your fiancee
     
    In this day and age I would never marry a writer, especially one who, like this Chang woman, lives off of clickbait, freelance stuff. Such a woman is always going to be humiliating and emasculating you.

    The conservative blogger/Minneapolis StarTribune columnist James Lileks is apparently married to a female attorney, but he has never mentioned her in any detail and you could read him for quite a while thinking he was a single dad. I have read elsewhere that his wife made it clear to him that she did not want to become a recurring character in his writing and was thus not to be mentioned. I wonder if Ms. Chang would consent to such a rule? I doubt it.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    The conservative blogger/Minneapolis StarTribune columnist James Lileks is apparently married to a female attorney, but he has never mentioned her in any detail and you could read him for quite a while thinking he was a single dad. I have read elsewhere that his wife made it clear to him that she did not want to become a recurring character in his writing and was thus not to be mentioned. I wonder if Ms. Chang would consent to such a rule? I doubt it.

    I’m also a long-time Lileks reader, and I agree it’s remarkable how little detail you get about the Mrs. She’s a lawyer, she plays tennis, and she’s not much interested in technology. That’s about it. No sense of personality at all.

    It’s remarkable that he keeps her profile so low-key, because on every other topic, Lileks goes into some detail, to say the least.

  54. • Replies: @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Only 58%? It's my understanding that the 3 rules for men in dating apps is , #1 Be Attractive, #2 Be Very Attractive, #3, Don't Be Unattractive.

    The same would be true for women (or for cantaloupes for that matter - if you could pick between 10 melons, wouldn't you pick the best looking melon?) except that the nature of online dating is that it is a buyer's market for women so they are the ones who get to pick and choose. If there were 10 women for every man on an online site then the top 10% of women would get most of the likes.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  55. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,
    As a subset, what about the "yellow fever" of Jewish males? I see it all around in NYC whenever the twain shall meet (along with masked NE Asians long before pandemic time).

    Replies: @Polistra, @Altai, @Anon, @gent

    Jewish male sexual behavior is irrelevant. The people are matrilineal. If you wish to know the way they are headed, check who their women are paired off with.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  56. I wonder, naively, if the 4 authors of this critique of dating sites spread their insightfulness to Indian matchmaking sites? Over 20 years ago I had the ‘pleasure’ of investigating these, and the matchmaking adverts in the Indian press while researching Indian weddings and dowry (and the groom’s family’s demand for gold as dowry/ransom from the bride’s family). As I recall, ‘skin tone’ was the top box to be ticked (the fairer the the more coveted). ‘Whiteness’ commanded a premium. Since not much else does, I can’t imagine much has changed since. The recent Netflix series on an Indian matchmaker for ex-pat/immigrant Indians in the USA suggested colour counts mightily, still. nb the English, while a-colonising, did not need to teach Indians this handy filter.

  57. The big plus point for Hinge is you can select the white filter, Bumble and Tinder force you to swipe through blacks.

  58. SWIPE WHITE: Authors of “The Dating Divide” find that black women face the most racial and sexual discrimination on dating apps.

    SWIPE WHITE: Authors of “The Dating Divide” find that fat, ugly black women with Gorilla Glue hair face the most racial and sexual discrimination on dating apps.

    FIFY

  59. They found that race-related “preference” filters on digital dating platforms help foster racist attitudes — especially toward black women.

    I’m pretty sure the filters aren’t what is fostering the racial preferences of the apps’ users. I suppose they’ll also have to remove photos and issue randomised user IDs to remove these pseudo-filters as well.

    While they’re at it, they might mandate that the first selection and date must be same-sex, with proof of consummation required before users can select someone of the opposite sex or sexual identity. You know, just to be fair in recruiting practises.

  60. @Mike_from_SGV
    At some point there will be a Rooney Rule for how we spend our money. At least 13% of our purchases will need to be from blacK-owned businesses, or from corporations with at least 13% blaCk board members or employees, or else we pay an income syntax.

    Replies: @indocon, @Luzzatto, @Change that Matters, @kaganovitch, @Forbes

    15% is the number you’re looking for.

  61. @Harry Baldwin
    Black women had a hard time matching on dating apps, as did black and Asian men.

    Don't tell Whiskey or Tiny Duck this.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @The Alarmist, @Neoconned

    Oh, it’s Duck… I thought the ‘u’ was a typo.

  62. Look at the bright side. This might actually force white people to get offline and meet the opposite sex the old-fashioned way.

    • Agree: Etruscan Film Star
  63. @AnotherDad
    @indocon


    Completely disagree with you, that half white/half Asian kid would most likely be a Christian growing up, vs definitely a Hindu with a Hindu mom. As has been talked about here quite a bit, Hindu Americans will pose the biggest risk to rump white Americans in future.
     
    Indocon, i accept your personal experience, but i know lots of Indians from grad-school and work.

    There's no doubt that Indians are the "tightest" Asian group in terms of mating in-group. I think i have a link some Asian guy posted here years ago, in my Demographics favorites folder.
    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.XnMmqK4w.Z3xWeQVK.dpbs

    (There's probably better/more recent data out there. If someone has a good link from Pew or someone else, great. I haven't looked around.)

    Also agree with you the Indians and their children are much less likely to be Christians than most other Asian groups. (I've made friends with a young Indian Christian couple that moved into our neighborhood, last year--really nice folks--but i grant they are not the norm.)

    But in my experience Hinduism is basically a non-starter even for 2nd generation Indians. The plain fact is their parents didn't come her to be great Hindus. No they came here because white Americans built a better, richer, less corrupt nation than India. I.e. they came to get ahead, make money and escape India. If they wanted to be great Hindus they would have stayed in India. Once here they may cling to Hinduism--the known and comfortable--but they made their choice. And made it for their kids--stripping them of full-connection to India and its culture.

    Hinduism just doesn't have any staying power in the US. It's basically like medieval Christianity in Europe. It is woven into the social fabric, supporting the feudal society. (Hinduism still does that to some extent--India still has pockets of what's essentially feudalism in North India.)

    Indian-Americans can try and morph Hinduism into something like Judaism--their tribal religion to build separate identity and keep the kids onside wherever they are. But Judaism evolved to be precisely that--a tribal religion that's job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society. Hinduism just isn't that--not yet. It's job is to provide support for Indian society and social structure. Here in America it's a floppy fish out of water.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer, @TimothyTimtim324

    But Judaism evolved to be precisely that–a tribal religion that’s job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society.

    How many Jews do you actually know?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    In other news, wet streets cause rain. Blacks also created Jim Crow in order to reinforce black solidarity. Jim Crow is even named for a black person if you need any further proof (ok, he was a white guy in blackface but he was playing a black person).

    , @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer



    But Judaism evolved to be precisely that–a tribal religion that’s job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society.
     
    How many Jews do you actually know?
     
    Yawn.

    To answer your question--several. I went to grad school in physics.

    Seriously, there are some people simply unable to get over their particular deal, and do any analysis. A good many Jews--and Christians for that matter--simply have some sort of emotional freakout over even the most rudimentary analysis of Judaism.

    Straightforward stuff:
    -- Judaism is not a universal religion but a tribal religion. (That's how most religions start.)
    -- One purpose of religion is the rule book. (This is how our group does stuff.)
    -- Another is social solidarity--we are X, X binds us together.
    -- Christianity--whatever Jesus meant to do--quickly under St. Paul became a universal religion.
    -- Christianity eventually converted most all of the tribes of Europe, effectively ending the indigenous tribal religions. Worked to de-tribalize social and unite everyone under Christianity. --- So eventually Christianity just was--i.e. it was just what everyone was, the normative basis for society and was twerked around to provide normative support the existing feudal order.
    -- Jews pushing north into Europe, were then a lone tribe with their own tribal religion in a society where society was structured around a universal and detribalizing religion that basically says you should be Christian.
    -- Some Jews defected--Christianized and became normal Europeans.
    -- Facing this sort of universal/anti-tribal/agglomerative environment, a tribe seeking to keep itself separate must ramp-up its "separateness", "specialness", increase the feeling of being distinct, increase the hostility to outsiders, increase penalties for defection.
    -- Judaism--unsurprisingly--did precisely this. I'm know little about it (and not particularly interested in Judaism or anyone else's tribal religion). Most practices are merely arcane, --promoting the standard "this is our tribe" distinction--weird attire, practices. But some practices/commands are obviously designed precisely to keep Jews separate from Gentiles--anti-association, anti-integration--and then there's a whole body of anti-Christian ideology/commands.
    -- It worked. Overall Jews had really quite low rates of defection to normies, almost all stayed onside in their community ... up until the modern period, when many Jews with more modern perspectives looked around and went "lame". (Either initiated reformist movements inside Judaism, or simply bailed out to mainstream society.)

    Any serious argument with any of that?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @J.Ross

  64. @Anon
    Are they saying that people are doing less inter-race dating online than they did before these apps?

    I don't think that's true.

    -----

    The research from OkCupid is described here at HuffPo:

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/okcupid-race_n_5811840

    Summary:

    -- All men want Asian women

    -- Latins and white women are popular with all races except black men (mildly negative)

    -- All men besides black men avoid black women

    -- Women generally prefer their own race, but ...

    -- Latina women also like white guys, and Asian women prefer white guys while also liking Asian guys

    -- Asian women really don't like black guys, lowest ratings in the entire study

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @theMann

    I dated a few Chicas in my days back in América del Norte,, and still occasionally look wistfully on what was via weather babes like Susy here …

    The only problem is that most Chicas don’t age as well as Northern European types.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @The Alarmist

    https://www.amazon.com/Manara-Library-4-Milo/dp/1595827854/

    I just want to concentrate on the weather!

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @The Alarmist

    Gotta love Latin culture! And she's no doubt a good Catholic girl... They all are. LOL.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    , @Rockford Tyson
    @The Alarmist

    I think you got that in reverse. Northern European women are notorious for being the fastest=ageing women of all, usually getting their first wrinkles while still in their early to mid twenties. Most Latina and Asian women only get their first wrinkles in their late thirties to early forties.

    I have literally no clue why you made such a comment, because nothing could be further from the truth. Northern Europeans have very thin and delicate skin that is very sensitive to phototoxic damage from the Sun's UV light. Their skin ages faster.

    Also, if you look into the work of Steven Horvath, indicated to the Nobel Prize in medicine for his work on DNA methylation, Latinos age slower epigenetically than whites.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @The Alarmist, @JohnnyWalker123

  65. I do not date men, either, so I must be sexist, too!

  66. @Mr. Blank
    God, I am so glad I am done with dating.

    This has to be the dumbest controversy ever. Men are notoriously unfickle about female companionship. Every man who’s ever done online dating knows that if there’s a problem with black women finding online dates, the primary culprit is black women: Black women will only date black men. They are the single most exclusionary subgroup in the online dating world.

    This is not a secret. Back when I did online dating, it was common knowledge that no black woman would respond to your advances if you weren’t black. That didn’t stop guys from trying, of course, but they never succeeded. Sure, black girls aren’t being deluged with messages the way pretty white Beckys are, but they are not being ignored. Anybody who claims otherwise is lying. If they try to show you data that says otherwise, it’s fake.

    If you really want to be ignored on an online dating site, try being a nerdy white guy with a low-paying job.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    My 1997 article “Is Love Colorblind?” pointed out that black women and Asian men are undervalued in the dating market. I got a lot of emails from black women saying they liked black men and didn’t much like nonblack men. That struck me as healthy yet unfortunate that there aren’t all that high percentage of black en who are good husband prospects.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Steve Sailer


    My 1997 article “Is Love Colorblind?” pointed out that black women and Asian men are undervalued in the dating market.
     
    You also buried, many paragraphs in, the fact that there was considerable disparity between foreign-born Asian men vs. the American-born males (3 times as many American-born Asian males outmarried as foreign-born ones per capita in 2010), meaning that the large gap in WM-AF couples vs. AM-WF couples was/is mostly an artifact of acculturation.

    There was a couple of other issues with your assertions. For example, Asian males in America have had the highest marriage rate among all races (also the lowest divorce rate*). There is also a large, absolute numerical disparity between Asians men and women in the U.S., with the latter vastly outnumbering the former (which means, given the high average in-group preference all races have, Asian women in America are bound to have high out-marriage rates).

    In addition, the dramatic increase in Asian immigration in the last 40 years or so has, predictably, reduced Asian outmarriage, especially for males. Many new arrivals are older and arrive married.

    *Marital stability by couples’ races

    Rank Pairing Relative divorce rate by pairing
    1 Black, Black 1.63
    2 Black husband, White wife 1.62
    3 Black, White 1.55
    4 White husband, Black wife 1.44
    5 Hispanic husband, White wife 1.19
    6 Hispanic, White 1.13
    7 Other mixed race couples 1.07
    8 White husband, Hispanic wife 1.06
    9 White, White 1.00
    10 Hispanic, Hispanic 0.98
    11 Asian husband, White wife 0.79
    12 Asian, White 0.77
    13 White husband, Asian wife 0.77
    14 Asian, Asian 0.24

    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Marital_stability)

    Replies: @Guest007, @Jim Christian

    , @Barnard
    @Steve Sailer

    Is the percentage of black women who are good wife prospects higher than the percentage of black men who are good husband prospects? Listen to the way the average pro athlete talks about his mother, it is like they have Stockholm Syndrome from their horrendous childhoods. Is there evidence black women are more likely to be faithful in marriage than black men? Black women don't get near the share of the blame they deserve for the state of the black family. That society has decided we should worship black women now is going to make the problems they create far worse.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

  67. @Mr. Blank
    God, I am so glad I am done with dating.

    This has to be the dumbest controversy ever. Men are notoriously unfickle about female companionship. Every man who’s ever done online dating knows that if there’s a problem with black women finding online dates, the primary culprit is black women: Black women will only date black men. They are the single most exclusionary subgroup in the online dating world.

    This is not a secret. Back when I did online dating, it was common knowledge that no black woman would respond to your advances if you weren’t black. That didn’t stop guys from trying, of course, but they never succeeded. Sure, black girls aren’t being deluged with messages the way pretty white Beckys are, but they are not being ignored. Anybody who claims otherwise is lying. If they try to show you data that says otherwise, it’s fake.

    If you really want to be ignored on an online dating site, try being a nerdy white guy with a low-paying job.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    My 1997 article “Is Love Colorblind?” pointed out that black women and Asian men are undervalued in the dating market. I got a lot of emails from black women saying they liked black men and didn’t much like nonblack men. That struck me as healthy yet unfortunate that there aren’t all that high percentage of black en who are good husband prospects.

  68. So now you are a racist if you choose to not date black women? Mkay.

  69. @Luzzatto
    What about People Of Color who openly say that they would never date/marry a White person. These Woke dating articles always make the false assumption that people who only want to date/marry within their own race only exists in the White community!

    Replies: @AndrewR

    According to our state religion, white people are the cause of every bad thing that’s ever happened or will ever happen.

  70. @victimofversetzung
    As soon as you see the name "Asia" you know she's not Asian.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Hibernian, @Edmandude

    How about Asia Carrera? Definitely Asian. Perhaps not her real name though.

  71. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Blank

    My 1997 article "Is Love Colorblind?" pointed out that black women and Asian men are undervalued in the dating market. I got a lot of emails from black women saying they liked black men and didn't much like nonblack men. That struck me as healthy yet unfortunate that there aren't all that high percentage of black en who are good husband prospects.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Barnard

    My 1997 article “Is Love Colorblind?” pointed out that black women and Asian men are undervalued in the dating market.

    You also buried, many paragraphs in, the fact that there was considerable disparity between foreign-born Asian men vs. the American-born males (3 times as many American-born Asian males outmarried as foreign-born ones per capita in 2010), meaning that the large gap in WM-AF couples vs. AM-WF couples was/is mostly an artifact of acculturation.

    There was a couple of other issues with your assertions. For example, Asian males in America have had the highest marriage rate among all races (also the lowest divorce rate*). There is also a large, absolute numerical disparity between Asians men and women in the U.S., with the latter vastly outnumbering the former (which means, given the high average in-group preference all races have, Asian women in America are bound to have high out-marriage rates).

    In addition, the dramatic increase in Asian immigration in the last 40 years or so has, predictably, reduced Asian outmarriage, especially for males. Many new arrivals are older and arrive married.

    *Marital stability by couples’ races

    Rank Pairing Relative divorce rate by pairing
    1 Black, Black 1.63
    2 Black husband, White wife 1.62
    3 Black, White 1.55
    4 White husband, Black wife 1.44
    5 Hispanic husband, White wife 1.19
    6 Hispanic, White 1.13
    7 Other mixed race couples 1.07
    8 White husband, Hispanic wife 1.06
    9 White, White 1.00
    10 Hispanic, Hispanic 0.98
    11 Asian husband, White wife 0.79
    12 Asian, White 0.77
    13 White husband, Asian wife 0.77
    14 Asian, Asian 0.24

    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Marital_stability)

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Twinkie

    Not only do black marry less than anyone else, those that do marry are more likely to get divorced. That is why over 70% of black children are not living with both biological parents.

    , @Jim Christian
    @Twinkie

    1.4-9 divorced. Against what number? Out of 2 or 3 or 10 marriages? Where'd you get all this anyway? Not arguing the depravity of black men, just wondering at your numbers.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  72. While you people obsess over Blacks, they will force you to date fatsos and suck off trannies.

    This why you people have been steadily losing. Blacks are a minority in your country. Your worst enemy (and mine, incidentally) are your fellow Whites.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    What do you mean by "you people?"

    .....lmao

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    , @Kylie
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    "This why you people have been steadily losing. Blacks are a minority in your country. Your worst enemy (and mine, incidentally) are your fellow Whites."

    The worst enemies of conservative white people are liberal white women.

    They're not really your friends, either. They just pick you up to 1) signal their virtue and/or street cred and 2) use you as a cudgel against their fellow whites.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @anon
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    While you people obsess over Blacks...
     
    nobody is "obsessed" with blacks, they just want to get away from them
    , @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    ...they will force you to date fatsos and suck off trannies.
     
    In fairness, one of those things is significantly worse than the other.
  73. @Anon
    Are they saying that people are doing less inter-race dating online than they did before these apps?

    I don't think that's true.

    -----

    The research from OkCupid is described here at HuffPo:

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/okcupid-race_n_5811840

    Summary:

    -- All men want Asian women

    -- Latins and white women are popular with all races except black men (mildly negative)

    -- All men besides black men avoid black women

    -- Women generally prefer their own race, but ...

    -- Latina women also like white guys, and Asian women prefer white guys while also liking Asian guys

    -- Asian women really don't like black guys, lowest ratings in the entire study

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @theMann

    Man, oh man, y’all are none of you top flight predators.

    Second thing you learn sleeping around is that non-white chicks are BAT SHIT CRAZY for having good looking White guys go down on them. It allows them to pretend they are just as beautiful and desirable as White chicks. This segues into the first rule:

    For women, sex is never “just sex” and always has some ulterior motive attached (even if it is just money). Figure the ulterior motives, own

    You are fools if you don’t date Black women. They have no sexual hang-ups and they expect their guys to cheat on them. Also, from what a lot of them have told me, they dont like Black guys…….roughness.

    So remember these rules:

    1. Women lie.
    2. Stay fit.
    3. Dont talk about any woman behind her back.
    4. Make them show you the birth control
    5. Hydrogen peroxide is your friend.
    6. Women lie.

  74. I found this noteworthy though not surprising:

    • Thanks: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Twinkie

    Welfare's a helluva drug.

  75. @Anon

    For instance, black women preferred to date black men at a rate surpassed only by Asian women’s preference for Asian men.
     
    Wait a minute. What?? Aren't Asian women notoriously willing to date white men?

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KRkg8BrhRh8J:https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/why-does-race-matter-for-women+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us shows Asian women (who are graduate students at Columbia) preferring white men to Asian men. (Accepting 45% of White men compared to 44% of Asian men, but still.) Razib summarized the findings as "Asian dudes are really screwed. Not only are non-Asian women not impressed, but Asian women aren't reciprocally racially discriminatory to level the playing field."

    The 2008 study shows Asian women having by far the weakest preference for their own race of any female demographic. (Asian men appear to have an even weaker one.) What's going on? These are not compatible ideas.

    Replies: @El Dato, @JohnPlywood, @Altai, @Anonymous, @Burstblister, @bigdicknick, @Truth

    You didn’t really expect this article to suggest that any demographic of women has a preference for white men did you?

    The NYP probably isn’t peddling to narrative, but there are tender feelings and fragile eggshells to tiptoe around.

    Damn the facts.

  76. According to a psychological study I read a few years ago, Asian women who marry Caucasian men are seeking what the author called “egalitarian knighthood.”

  77. Dating site customers will decide if race is important to them.

    Removing race preferences likely will lose them 99% of their customers.

    Cirrusly, a dating site that won’t let you select for who you want? What kinda business model is that?

    • Replies: @Etruscan Film Star
    @Gamecock


    Dating site customers will decide if race is important to them. Removing race preferences likely will lose them 99% of their customers.
     
    You bet it's an idiotic business model. What next, a supermarket where all the cans have their labels removed and all packaging is blocked from view? So no one can discriminate by not buying tortillas or grape soda?

    Dating site roulette is one more example of how even the quest for profit eats dust compared with woke ideology. Will sanity ever return?
  78. @The Alarmist
    @Anon

    I dated a few Chicas in my days back in América del Norte,, and still occasionally look wistfully on what was via weather babes like Susy here ...

    https://youtu.be/jtr4_D5hJBo


    The only problem is that most Chicas don’t age as well as Northern European types.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Buzz Mohawk, @Rockford Tyson

    I just want to concentrate on the weather!

  79. 70 messages and not a single one discussing assortative mating. If Steve wants to discuss class as much as race, then Steve should be mentioning assortative mating, delayed marriage, and never married much more.

  80. One more:

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Twinkie

    Twinkie, I am missing something. What explains that about half of married women over 65 are Separated, while that is the case for less than a quarter of married men over 65?

    If "Separated" includes "Separated by death," then I guess the arithmetic could make sense, given the widow/widower gap in that cohort. But that's a strange way to label the graphs.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

  81. @indocon
    @Luzzatto

    Completely disagree with you, that half white/half Asian kid would most likely be a Christian growing up, vs definitely a Hindu with a Hindu mom. As has been talked about here quite a bit, Hindu Americans will pose the biggest risk to rump white Americans in future.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @AnotherDad, @CCG, @Hapalong Cassidy

    In the Indian diaspora, there are a considerable number of Christians, a much higher percentage than is found on the mainland. They are usually recognizable by their Portuguese surnames. And they have a very high rate of outmarriage. I’d venture to say that in most White-Indian marriages, the Indian is Christian. At least that’s been my personal observation. Hindu Indians are the complete opposite, and are probably the most clannish and least likely to outmarry of all Asian groups. And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese. I’d say Chinese-Americans are less likely to be Christian than Indian-Americans.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Hapalong Cassidy


    And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese. I’d say Chinese-Americans are less likely to be Christian than Indian-Americans.
     
    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2013/04/SDT-2013-Asian-Americans-Update-7-03.png

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @nebulafox
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    They'd be Goans, then. Until 1962, it was part of Portugal.

    From my understanding (I've never been to India), Goa is the Bali or Hong Kong of India: more than a bit different from the rest of the country.

    >And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese.

    Christianity has been getting popular on the mainland, and a lot of earlier wave immigrants are Taiwanese: more likely to be Christian.

    Replies: @RSDB, @Bill Jones

    , @TimothyTimtim324
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Dang, I knew an Indian guy like that. Know I understand. Thanks.

    , @Luzzatto
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    In The Bay Area it is extremely common to see White male/Indian female couples and there are very few Christian Indians in The Bay Area, but there are a lot of Indian Atheists/Hindu In Name Only type Indians in The Bay Area!

  82. @Twinkie
    @Steve Sailer


    My 1997 article “Is Love Colorblind?” pointed out that black women and Asian men are undervalued in the dating market.
     
    You also buried, many paragraphs in, the fact that there was considerable disparity between foreign-born Asian men vs. the American-born males (3 times as many American-born Asian males outmarried as foreign-born ones per capita in 2010), meaning that the large gap in WM-AF couples vs. AM-WF couples was/is mostly an artifact of acculturation.

    There was a couple of other issues with your assertions. For example, Asian males in America have had the highest marriage rate among all races (also the lowest divorce rate*). There is also a large, absolute numerical disparity between Asians men and women in the U.S., with the latter vastly outnumbering the former (which means, given the high average in-group preference all races have, Asian women in America are bound to have high out-marriage rates).

    In addition, the dramatic increase in Asian immigration in the last 40 years or so has, predictably, reduced Asian outmarriage, especially for males. Many new arrivals are older and arrive married.

    *Marital stability by couples’ races

    Rank Pairing Relative divorce rate by pairing
    1 Black, Black 1.63
    2 Black husband, White wife 1.62
    3 Black, White 1.55
    4 White husband, Black wife 1.44
    5 Hispanic husband, White wife 1.19
    6 Hispanic, White 1.13
    7 Other mixed race couples 1.07
    8 White husband, Hispanic wife 1.06
    9 White, White 1.00
    10 Hispanic, Hispanic 0.98
    11 Asian husband, White wife 0.79
    12 Asian, White 0.77
    13 White husband, Asian wife 0.77
    14 Asian, Asian 0.24

    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Marital_stability)

    Replies: @Guest007, @Jim Christian

    Not only do black marry less than anyone else, those that do marry are more likely to get divorced. That is why over 70% of black children are not living with both biological parents.

  83. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Only ditzy whites would buy something like this book. Can’t imagine any blacks/browns doing so since they don’t read anything of any import anyway (not that this has any). Just fuel for future struggle sessions amongst PC-cult thinkers.

  84. Authors of “The Dating Divide” find that black women face the most racial and sexual discrimination on dating apps.

    Wonder if Black women are as pissed over Noseberg’s standard White woman/Black man pairing in EVERY ad and commercial.

  85. @anon
    @Bill P


    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I’d be OK with the relationship.
     
    How would you feel about your grandchildren having Hindu first names?

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Bill P, @Inquiring Mind

    How would you feel about your grandchildren having Hindu first names?

    You don’t think Bapjinder is a lovely name for a girl?

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Johnny Smoggins


    You don’t think Bapjinder is a lovely name for a girl?

     

    It would cause her fewer problems than the Thai Siriporn or Ratanaporn.
  86. @Mr. Anon
    @raga10


    And you know, there was a time not that long ago when we used to find our mates without help from dating apps. Maybe try that, for a change!
     
    What? You mean like at a tavern? Or a college classroom? Or a church social?

    People actually socializing together, face-to-face?

    Ewwww! How gross!

    Such unhygenic meetings in germ-space between icky people disease-vectors will in future be banned, on account of the 'Rona.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    Wait until he finds out how babies are made!

    Talk about unhygienic.

  87. I thank the Great Pumpkin that online dating was not a major thing when I was in my 20s and I met my spouse through a much more traditional, organic process.

    Anyway, one thought on the lack of desirability of black women in online dating is how cultural archetypes of women from different racial groups damages real-life prospects. Black women are routinely portrayed as some combination of tough, sassy, opinionated in popular culture – in other words, high maintenance. That is definitely not what a majority of guys are looking for in a romantic and possibly long term partner.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  88. @El Dato
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It's the constant fucking around that is at the root of many societal ills. You don't need to encourage it - modern office buildings are practically whorehouses.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Buzz Mohawk

    Thank you. what’s Buzz’s problem? Can’t date and get to know women without screwing? Maybe it’s because all his dates centered around drinking alcohol. I tell people, if you can’t enjoy each other sober, then you’re likely not a good match.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @stillCARealist


    I tell people, if you can’t enjoy each other sober, then you’re likely not a good match.
     
    Yes, good advice. Unless you are an alcoholic, you don't want to be drunk very much or at all. And being around drunks if you not one is very tough.

    Other old and tested method for determining compatibility: though this takes some initial time, if you start to "get serious" it is important to take a long trip with each other.

    When you're young, probably in a small vehicle or some other cramped environment. The longer the better, if you can stand it.

    Such trips are escape proof. You are in each other's company 24/7 unless you have some events, etc. where you can go. After a few days, the pretenses and false personality starts to drop. People get cranky, smelly and irritable. Yup, like life.

    I've known more than one collegiate romance disappear after a month or two in Europe, backpacking or otherwise al fresco. Not my European travel. But a few days in a car and cheap motels will reveal many otherwise hidden traits. Serious relationships are 24/7 anyway, so try before you buy.
  89. @Polistra
    @Dan Hayes


    As a subset, what about the “yellow fever” of Jewish males?
     
    Widespread, common practice and it has nothing to do with money.

    Can't really say what it's about--not even on unz.com.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    I can say what it’s about: Jewish guys want reasonably intelligent women who don’t hector, lecture, nag or otherwise remind them of their mothers.

    There’s more to it, for sure, but that’s always been the big issue. Remember the (mostly Jewish) guys in the movie Diner, set in 1960 Baltimore? One of them, Eddie (Steve Guttenberg), is about to get married, but isn’t sure he’s doing the right thing. To give himself a potential “out,” he’s making his fiancée, Elyse — nice Jewish girl’s name — take a football quiz, mostly about his beloved Baltimore Colts. If she doesn’t pass, “the wedding’s off.” Elyse, who has been studying hard for this test, barely makes it over the cut line to pass.

    Eddie takes it in stride, but says, “good thing she’s not a ballbreaker. If she were a ballbreaker, no way would I go through with this.” Eddie’s mother — naturally, a world-class ballbreaker. (No one would find the original Diner credible today: in the remake, Paul Reiser and Daniel Stern would try to fix up Steve Guttenberg with a nice, slender Chinese girl who’s pre-med at Johns Hopkins.)

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Gary in Gramercy


    I can say what it’s about: Jewish guys want reasonably intelligent women who don’t hector, lecture, nag or otherwise remind them of their mothers.
     
    Eddie: Pour me a double.

    Bartender: Tough day?

    Eddie: You can say that again!

    Bartender: Is it . . . you know who?

    Eddie: Yeah. My mother’s been breaking my balls again. She breaks my balls like it’s on sale.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Gary in Gramercy

    I can say what it’s about: Jewish guys want reasonably intelligent women who don’t hector, lecture, nag or otherwise remind them of their mothers.

    Gotta say, that Jed Rubinfeld fellow really lucked out.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @Dissident
    @Gary in Gramercy


    Remember the (mostly Jewish) guys in the movie Diner, set in 1960 Baltimore?
     
    While not familiar with the film you referenced, your comment reminded me of the 1984 release Over the Brooklyn Bridge. From IMDB:

    A Jewish man who owns a Brooklyn deli asks his domineering uncle for a loan so he can buy his dream restaurant in Manhattan, but the uncle demands that he give up his Gentile girlfriend even though she's one of the few sources of stability in his somewhat chaotic life.
     
    There were a few scenes in particular that, for decades after seeing the film with my parents, we would fondly recall.

    - At the family gathering inside Sammy's Romanian restaurant:
    After a heated argument, one of the protagonist's female relatives asks him, "Aren't you going to eat?". He responds that he is not hungry (it was at least strongly implied that this lack-of-appetite was a direct result of the emotionally-charged, decidedly less-than-pleasant confrontational verbal discourse that had just transpired). The relative rejoins, "For $17.50-a-steak, you walk around the corner and work-up an appetite!".

    For how much longer the officious battleaxe may have persisted, I cannot recall but eventually, the uncle (Sid Caesar) interjects to exclaim, "It's enough with the meat, already! Enough with the meat!".

    - On a rainy night, the protagonist arrives at his uncle's home in order to have a critical, confidential, difficult conversation with him. Concerned about preserving her furniture and decor, the protagonist's aunt orders/reprimands her nephew (the protagonist) and his uncle concerning the removal of the former's drenched coat and the like. On account of the same concerns, the aunt also stops the two gentlemen from sitting down in the living room or dining room-- despite the fact that the furniture is amply-covered by plastic slipcovers. We then see the two men sitting in the bathroom, where, with rolled eyes, the uncle complains to his nephew, "For {X; some considerable number} of years, she has plastics on top of plastics, and we still have to sit in the bathroom!"

    - At some point, the highly neurotic Jewish woman whom the protagonist's family have been encouraging him to marry instead of the far more appealing non-Jewish woman, becomes deeply annoyed with him. So much so that when he cordially extends his hand toward her elderly, decidedly short-in-stature father ("Mr. Goodman", played by Leib Lensky) in the course of greeting or bidding him farewell, the insufferable woman snaps, "Don't touch my father!".

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  90. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Vibrant diversity for thee but not for me.

  91. They should lay off the dating sites. No one should ever interfere with “les histoires de coeur.” People should date/pair off with whomever they want.

  92. @El Dato
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It's the constant fucking around that is at the root of many societal ills. You don't need to encourage it - modern office buildings are practically whorehouses.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Buzz Mohawk

    Now that you mention it, office environments seem almost designed to encourage this kind of thing. A man looks his best in a good suit, and the women, OMG, they look great in what they wear to work.Traditional office clothing seems designed to accentuate the sexes, to a very positive effect!

    I’m saying go with it and find out what you like, and I’m not sure the “fucking around” is “at the root of many societal ills.” For all we know, society would be even worse without the fucking around — so I say fuck around! What is life for?

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Traditional office clothing seems designed to accentuate the sexes, to a very positive effect!
     
    Weddings also (except in some cases for the unfortunate bridesmaids). And women can put on quite a display at funerals as well. Recall how at the end of The Wedding Crashers the skirt-chasing lotharios were branching off into funerals. There was one long stretch where my wife's absolute hottest get-up was her funeral outfit, not that that's something you want to look forward to.
    , @Abe
    @Buzz Mohawk


    I’m saying go with it and find out what you like, and I’m not sure the “fucking around” is “at the root of many societal ills.” For all we know, society would be even worse without the fucking around — so I say fuck around! What is life for?
     
    I agree, but I cannot defend this on principle (whether moral or philosophical). All I can say is just it’s what I happened to grow up with and that I personally had a blast doing. I came of age and “sowed my oats” in the glorious smoking wreckage of 2nd Wave Feminism, after Camille Paglia and Madonna singlehandedly slew the Dragon of Dworkin and brought joy and good times to all the land. SEX & THE CITY then brainwashed a whole generation of impressionable young girls into thinking they were losers if their number of sexual partners was not on the same order of magnitude as George Michael’s .

    Unfortunately I was not quite young enough to reap the full benefits of this revolution, but I have younger family members who were in college in the Aught’s so I have a good idea of what was going on then. Remember when “hookups” (i.e. casual, totally non-commital, sexual assignations) were the norm when it came to campus dating? Remember when female grooming, tanning, and body toning standards reached all-time new levels of awesomeness AND they were combined with a generally sunny, happy-go-lucky, down-to-party/DTF attitude? Remember when three-ways were so totally vanilla they could take up a whole episode of as anodyne a network sitcom as HOW I MARRIED YOUR MOTHER? When beer ads about three ways with twin sisters (and, sorry, that’s where my personal ick factor draws the line) could be snarked about on public TV, instead of blue-haired GloboHomo corporate sponsors now hectoring us to shave off our toxic masculinity and be less white? I do.

    For all the outright policy disasters of the Bush II years, in retrospect they were a hella bro-tastic, party-hearty time to be alive. Sexual relations (and, interestingly, race relations) were never better, and have never been better.

    Replies: @Abe

    , @TWS
    @Buzz Mohawk

    We used to flirt and pick up each other at work. Super common American pastime. I met my first serious girlfriend at work when I was in high school. Now, it's a wasteland of stupid boring interactions.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Sick 'n Tired

    , @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Broader point: I'd much rather die at 80 in a climbing accident with a bottle of beer in one hand, a good math or history book in the other, and belly full of juicy red meat and chili peppers than live to be 100 but having spent those remaining two decades in a forced return to childhood or worse. I've been forced to watch family members multiple times succumb to horrible deaths that sucked the joy of life from them. Put me off the idea of safety. We're all gonna end up dead, way more important to live well.

    In flagrante delicto with an eligible widow or spinster is just as good.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @JMcG

    , @dfordoom
    @Buzz Mohawk


    and I’m not sure the “fucking around” is “at the root of many societal ills.”
     
    I agree.

    It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that because one doesn't like something or disapproves of something that it must therefore be bad for society. And should therefore be banned. This is a trap that both liberals and conservatives fall into regularly.

    Personally I think that social media, spending too much time online and using online dating are probably all responsible for much greater societal ills than fucking around.
  93. @Whiskey
    @Harry Baldwin

    Too late.

    Asian men are screwed. But black men? George Floyd had what, 7 kids. By five different mothers IIRC. His Cromartie index was high.

    Black men don't do online dating.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Mike Tre

    Admittedly off topic but-speaking of George Floyd-Hollywood at its best couldn’t produce a better stereotype than George Floyd.

  94. @victimofversetzung
    As soon as you see the name "Asia" you know she's not Asian.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Hibernian, @Edmandude

    When I was in the National Guard a Hispanic sergeant named her daughter Asia.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Hibernian

    It makes for good music:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG2seugAgnU


    Marijuana in the late 1970s helped separate out the instruments to very good effect.

    , @Known Fact
    @Hibernian

    Obviously a fan of the Wetton-Howe-Palmer supergroup

    https://youtu.be/bXvxvn7iVgY

    Replies: @Deckin

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    When I was in the National Guard a Hispanic sergeant named her daughter Asia.

     

    Did she have a sister America?

    America Ferrera Asks: Should I Run For Office? Should You?


    From the same source, you can't eat out, unless you're on a film crew. Then you can eat out untaxed. California is upside-down:


    Coen Brothers, Eva Longoria & Steven Soderbergh Films Among 22 Features Allocated CA Tax Credits
  95. For instance, black women preferred to date black men at a rate surpassed only by Asian women’s preference for Asian men.

    Wait, so it’s ok for black women to have racial dating preferences?

    I thank God that I don’t have to negotiate personal and sexual relationships as a young White man in the current year.

  96. @Whiskey
    @Harry Baldwin

    Too late.

    Asian men are screwed. But black men? George Floyd had what, 7 kids. By five different mothers IIRC. His Cromartie index was high.

    Black men don't do online dating.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Mike Tre

  97. Body Heat, Diner, Barfly. Rourke’s trifecta.

  98. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Blank

    My 1997 article "Is Love Colorblind?" pointed out that black women and Asian men are undervalued in the dating market. I got a lot of emails from black women saying they liked black men and didn't much like nonblack men. That struck me as healthy yet unfortunate that there aren't all that high percentage of black en who are good husband prospects.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Barnard

    Is the percentage of black women who are good wife prospects higher than the percentage of black men who are good husband prospects? Listen to the way the average pro athlete talks about his mother, it is like they have Stockholm Syndrome from their horrendous childhoods. Is there evidence black women are more likely to be faithful in marriage than black men? Black women don’t get near the share of the blame they deserve for the state of the black family. That society has decided we should worship black women now is going to make the problems they create far worse.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @Barnard

    These sainted women (sic) are portrayed as faultless and the holy mothers of their churches but they sure seem to raise a lot of criminals.

  99. Although I generally despise “dating culture” I’d seen when I’d been in the US – why can’t you people meet in the usual, normal way? what kind of social life it is, anyway? – my only suggestion would be: create white only dating apps/sites. Only people of white European identity need apply. White gays, if they want, should have their own gay niche.

    Others (Asians, Mestizos, blacks, Muslims, (white) Jews as primary identity ethnicity, Indians, various mixes, …)- sorry, go fishing among your own kind or any other way.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    my only suggestion would be: create white only dating apps/sites.

    Not possible in the Woke States of America (WSA).

    Matchmaking site Christian Mingle was heterosexual only, for Christian-religion reasons, until they got sued in 2016 for discrimination. They lost and then had to create gay / lesbian zones. The other option was to go out of business.

    I suppose one could try hosting such a site offshore, but GlobalHomo would still work hard to blacklist it then shut it down.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Known Fact
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Isn't there a dating website that bills itself for "farmers" -- not literally just farmers but obviously pitched to a generally white, conservative, non-urban demographic?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @hhsiii
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “You meet a nice clean girl at church, in the liberry.” Coming to America.

    -at a bar
    -fixed up by friends
    -client’s secretary
    -girl down the hall in the office
    -girl from class.
    -at the gym
    -camp

    My favorite personally. I worked ticket booth at a movie theater and dated the girl who worked concessions. Tamara O’Seep. What a name.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  100. @Mike_from_SGV
    At some point there will be a Rooney Rule for how we spend our money. At least 13% of our purchases will need to be from blacK-owned businesses, or from corporations with at least 13% blaCk board members or employees, or else we pay an income syntax.

    Replies: @indocon, @Luzzatto, @Change that Matters, @kaganovitch, @Forbes

    At least 13% of our purchases will need to be from blacK-owned businesses, or from corporations with at least 13% blaCk board members or employees, or else we pay an income syntax.

    All through “Black History Month”, Amazon was running a banner on top of your individual page ‘buy from a black-owned business’. I myself always clicked on it because I figured it’s really a fellow Jew who is paying some Black guy a few cents to nominally own the business.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • LOL: Gary in Gramercy
    • Replies: @Dissident
    @kaganovitch


    All through “Black History Month”, Amazon was running a banner on top of your individual page ‘buy from a black-owned business’. I myself always clicked on it because I figured it’s really a fellow Jew who is paying some Black guy a few cents to nominally own the business.
     
    I must say that out of more than a few pick-up and delivery laundry services I have tried over the years, the one that, by far, I have had the best experience with is owned and operated by a black woman.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @kaganovitch

  101. @Buzz Mohawk
    An extended life chapter of active single living, with good contraception, is the solution. People need to get out more and try different things. That way they will discover what they really like.

    Last night, my wife cooked lamb tagine, a Moroccan dish. Well, I discovered I don't like it as much as, say, an ordinary, American meal of baked chicken. I would not have known this if I hadn't tried lamb tagine.

    Similarly, I dated all kinds of women when I was single, and I found out what I like before I picked one to spend the rest of my life with. People should be encouraged to do this. Modern contraception makes it possible more than ever. It is part of the modern joie de vivre made possible by the advances of European Man: world travel, contraception, etc.

    We suffer the pains of this modern world our people built, so why not enjoy the pleasures of it? Men: Get out there and try the world buffet of women! (You women can do the same with the men of the world.)

    Eventually, you will come around to what you like best. Usually, it's your own kind.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    “(You women can do the same with the men of the world.)”

    Not so sure having casual sex with dozens of men (or more) before settling down is good advice for a young woman. Studies have shown that for women a larger number of sex partners before marriage increases the odds of eventual divorce. Not to mention that just because modern science has devised ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies doesn’t mean there isn’t such a thing as “damaged goods.” Most men will recoil at the idea of marrying a woman who has a higher notch count than his, or one that exceeds some threshold.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Sgt. Joe Friday


    Most men will recoil at the idea of marrying a woman who has a higher notch count than his, or one that exceeds some threshold.
     
    That's an interesting conundrum. After all, if we men are to enjoy the smorgasbord of women, how can we not expect women to do the converse?

    How can we not in fact encourage them to? Don't you want an experienced partner who knows what she wants?

    And who knows how to please you...? Hmm...?

    I remember going through this question, and I got over it a long time ago. Women are adults, and they can handle modern pleasures and experiences as much as you can. You need not worry how many notches yours has on her belt.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jonathan Mason

    , @Anon
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    A woman with a large number of sex partners very likely has a psychological problem creating deep emotional attachments to other people that result in long-term bonds. That, more than anything else, is going to be the cause of a later divorce.

    I have an aunt who bragged that she must have dated a hundred guys in high school and college. This sounded crazy, so I asked my mother, who only confirmed it was true.

    What I wanted to know was, how do you break up with a hundred guys? The emotional wear and tear of a hundred breakups must be staggering. Anyway, my aunt did end up marrying and getting divorced. She dated several men after the divorce, but didn't get married again.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    , @theMann
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    The general formula for female , uhm, excess is:

    One partner per year - age at loss of virginity.

    So if a woman is thirty, and gave it up sweet at 16, fifteen partners is a bit much.


    Oh, and btw, most women's first time is almost never sweet. For them, it is not almost 19 seconds of the best they will ever have, like it is for us.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  102. @Nigerian Nationalist
    While you people obsess over Blacks, they will force you to date fatsos and suck off trannies.

    This why you people have been steadily losing. Blacks are a minority in your country. Your worst enemy (and mine, incidentally) are your fellow Whites.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Kylie, @anon, @Servant of Gla'aki

    What do you mean by “you people?”

    …..lmao

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @AndrewR

    Tis my pejorative short-hand for the commentariat of this blog. It is meant to convey my annoyance with the constant, inescapable whining that pervades the comment sections. Especially on anything having to do with race and ideology.

    Also, I am Nigerian and most of you are not. Hence, 'you people' not 'my people'.

    Replies: @anon

  103. @Hibernian
    @victimofversetzung

    When I was in the National Guard a Hispanic sergeant named her daughter Asia.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Known Fact, @Reg Cæsar

    It makes for good music:

    Marijuana in the late 1970s helped separate out the instruments to very good effect.

  104. @Altai
    @Dan Hayes

    A person I used to work with was doing a PhD in a So Cal university, I forget which one. This was in the late 90s and he told me a story of a labmate of his who went on a date with his Asian girlfriend to a restaurant near the campus for Valentine's day. The two were mortified when they walked in and saw almost every couple was WM/AF. It obviously made them extremely self-conscious and so they decided to go elsewhere.

    People go on about certain men wanting 'submissive' women but really I think it's more men with more introverted personalities wanting partners are themselves or are accepting of that. They don't want the women to 'submit' to them, they're hardly the dominant type. This will lead said men in a multiracial society to become partnered disproportionately with Asian men. Even more so in a society where these personality traits tend to lead people into similar professions and educational backgrounds.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    This will lead said men in a multiracial society to become partnered disproportionately with Asian men.

    I think G. Cochran’s theory of gayness is better grounded.

  105. @Anon

    For instance, black women preferred to date black men at a rate surpassed only by Asian women’s preference for Asian men.
     
    Wait a minute. What?? Aren't Asian women notoriously willing to date white men?

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KRkg8BrhRh8J:https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/why-does-race-matter-for-women+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us shows Asian women (who are graduate students at Columbia) preferring white men to Asian men. (Accepting 45% of White men compared to 44% of Asian men, but still.) Razib summarized the findings as "Asian dudes are really screwed. Not only are non-Asian women not impressed, but Asian women aren't reciprocally racially discriminatory to level the playing field."

    The 2008 study shows Asian women having by far the weakest preference for their own race of any female demographic. (Asian men appear to have an even weaker one.) What's going on? These are not compatible ideas.

    Replies: @El Dato, @JohnPlywood, @Altai, @Anonymous, @Burstblister, @bigdicknick, @Truth

    i remember seeing a study that said all non-black women prefer white men.

  106. @The Alarmist
    @Anon

    I dated a few Chicas in my days back in América del Norte,, and still occasionally look wistfully on what was via weather babes like Susy here ...

    https://youtu.be/jtr4_D5hJBo


    The only problem is that most Chicas don’t age as well as Northern European types.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Buzz Mohawk, @Rockford Tyson

    Gotta love Latin culture! And she’s no doubt a good Catholic girl… They all are. LOL.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Buzz Mohawk

    A commenter yesterday theorized that Hispanics live longer in part because of their general Don't Worry Be Happy attitude (as well as the advantages of a large extended family). The joyful inanity of Spanish-language TV -- compared to the irritating Karenocentric content that whites watch -- might help illustrate this effect. That includes the Spanish-language news, and especially their weather ladies!

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @kaganovitch

  107. what does removing the race filters accomplish? Tinder doesn’t have them. Perhaps we can ask black women if they have a better time on the tinder app vs other apps? I imagine the experience is no different for them either way.

    I feel for everyone who struggles with romantic rejection. Its not like when someone feels entitled to a position they are way under qualified for. You can’t just tell them “go do something else.” There is no acceptable something else when it comes to love and relationships.

    What’s it like in Africa in countries with some semblance of a middle class? Do black women have a hard time there too, or is that the situation where they get what they want?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Spangel12

    what does removing the race filters accomplish?

    Good Feelze for SJW's. Perhaps the most important thing in the Current Year world!

    Tinder doesn’t have them. Perhaps we can ask black women if they have a better time on the tinder app vs other apps? I imagine the experience is no different for them either way.

    Tinder is targeted at a different market than OKCupid or Hinge, so the site has different parameters. This should be obvious: hookups and LTR's are not the same thing.

    Bumble's CEO is an early 30's woman who wanted have a site-something "more fair" than Tinder, that's why the "woman invites first" is key part of the app. So it's not a surprise that she's including fat-acceptance in the application, but trans-acceptance is a bit unexpected. She must be a bit more of a Wokie than was shown earlier this month on CNBC.

  108. @raga10
    Removing filters will solve the problem for dating sites as they will no longer be implicated in 'racist practices', but it won't change anything in reality - people will simply do their own 'filtering' using their own eyes and as long as dating sites post pictures, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about that.

    So don't worry, the sky is not falling... And you know, there was a time not that long ago when we used to find our mates without help from dating apps. Maybe try that, for a change!

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Jack D, @Cortes

    as long as dating sites post pictures,

    AirBnB already got rid of pictures so that property owners could not racistly see the race of people they were letting into their homes. It’s only a matter of time before the dating sites do the same. If the measures they take now to root out racism (e.g. getting rid of the ability to filter by race) don’t work, then they will have to take more effective measures. We cannot rest until the scourge of racism is completely purged from every aspect of our lives thanks to the efforts of our online masters. You will know when this has worked when the percentage of interracial couples that you see in real life is equal to the percentage you see in toothpaste ads (100%). Since the coming generation in the US is about 50% non-white, this creates the possibility that every single white person can be matched up with an non-white.

    Big Tech is a great blessing to Wokism because they are not constrained by the Constitutional limits placed on government action and yet provide a centralized chokepoint for the elimination of white supremacy.

    • Replies: @raga10
    @Jack D


    AirBnB already got rid of pictures so that property owners could not racistly see the race of people they were letting into their homes. It’s only a matter of time before the dating sites do the same.
     
    I suppose it's possible but I think chances of them going this far are very, very small. It is possible to argue that you don't need to know the race of people you will never meet, but convincing people they don't need to know what their potential date looks like would be much harder sell. In the end dating sites are business: they are in it for the profit not ideology and they just need to keep up the appearance. Once they do, it will be back to business as usual.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  109. @The Alarmist
    @Anon

    I dated a few Chicas in my days back in América del Norte,, and still occasionally look wistfully on what was via weather babes like Susy here ...

    https://youtu.be/jtr4_D5hJBo


    The only problem is that most Chicas don’t age as well as Northern European types.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Buzz Mohawk, @Rockford Tyson

    I think you got that in reverse. Northern European women are notorious for being the fastest=ageing women of all, usually getting their first wrinkles while still in their early to mid twenties. Most Latina and Asian women only get their first wrinkles in their late thirties to early forties.

    I have literally no clue why you made such a comment, because nothing could be further from the truth. Northern Europeans have very thin and delicate skin that is very sensitive to phototoxic damage from the Sun’s UV light. Their skin ages faster.

    Also, if you look into the work of Steven Horvath, indicated to the Nobel Prize in medicine for his work on DNA methylation, Latinos age slower epigenetically than whites.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Rockford Tyson

    The women of Eastern Europe love their skin products, and they rub them on every day. Their exotic creams keep the wrinkles away, or so they say. Those women are artists that use every kind of cosmetic.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Rockford Tyson

    I guess I picked well, but her 60-something friends also don’t look so bad for their ages. And a lot less filler, lifting, and weight than one sees in the Anglosphere

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Rockford Tyson

    Hispanic women blimp up quickly by around 25.

  110. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad


    But Judaism evolved to be precisely that–a tribal religion that’s job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society.
     
    How many Jews do you actually know?

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    In other news, wet streets cause rain. Blacks also created Jim Crow in order to reinforce black solidarity. Jim Crow is even named for a black person if you need any further proof (ok, he was a white guy in blackface but he was playing a black person).

  111. @Reg Cæsar

    “The idea of having racial preferences is unacceptable and illegal in any other arena,” she added. “But it’s literally built into the structure of these dating apps.”

     

    Independent free weeklies have had these in their personal sections for decades. No matter how "woke" they were on racial issues, which was usually very. A capital W was in most of them.


    Long before online dating, there was the era of alt-weekly personal ads

    Ads for meeting people a little too personal

    The Rise and Fall of the Newspaper Personal Ad



    https://media2.fdncms.com/metrotimes/imager/u/slideshow/23831407/feature2_personals_valentines-copy.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Polistra, @Harry Baldwin

    From your link: A language existed for personal ads. SWM for Single White Male, GBF for Gay Black Female. C stood for couple, T for transgender. J could stand for Jewish or Japanese and probably caused many people confusion.

    And many people marriages.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Harry Baldwin

    They could always go with N for Nihonjin -- oh, right ...

  112. @anon
    @Bill P


    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I’d be OK with the relationship.
     
    How would you feel about your grandchildren having Hindu first names?

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Bill P, @Inquiring Mind

    Depends what it sounds like. I knew a half-hindu kid named Ravi, which isn’t too bad. Hardeep I could do without.

  113. @raga10
    Removing filters will solve the problem for dating sites as they will no longer be implicated in 'racist practices', but it won't change anything in reality - people will simply do their own 'filtering' using their own eyes and as long as dating sites post pictures, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about that.

    So don't worry, the sky is not falling... And you know, there was a time not that long ago when we used to find our mates without help from dating apps. Maybe try that, for a change!

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Jack D, @Cortes

    The photos are rarely less than 15 years out of date. And the snippets of info on careers tend to be optimistic. The sorts who may have enjoyed the “Liars’ Nights” (aka “Grab A Granny”) at certain dance venues.

  114. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/incelswiki/status/1365348434220355587

    Replies: @Jack D

    Only 58%? It’s my understanding that the 3 rules for men in dating apps is , #1 Be Attractive, #2 Be Very Attractive, #3, Don’t Be Unattractive.

    The same would be true for women (or for cantaloupes for that matter – if you could pick between 10 melons, wouldn’t you pick the best looking melon?) except that the nature of online dating is that it is a buyer’s market for women so they are the ones who get to pick and choose. If there were 10 women for every man on an online site then the top 10% of women would get most of the likes.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Jack D

    https://twitter.com/AshwagandhaAli/status/1366055298155376641

  115. @Hibernian
    @victimofversetzung

    When I was in the National Guard a Hispanic sergeant named her daughter Asia.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Known Fact, @Reg Cæsar

    Obviously a fan of the Wetton-Howe-Palmer supergroup

    • Replies: @Deckin
    @Known Fact

    There's a band called Asia, one called Europe, one called America, but is there any called Africa, or Australia?

    Replies: @Known Fact

  116. @Buzz Mohawk
    @The Alarmist

    Gotta love Latin culture! And she's no doubt a good Catholic girl... They all are. LOL.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    A commenter yesterday theorized that Hispanics live longer in part because of their general Don’t Worry Be Happy attitude (as well as the advantages of a large extended family). The joyful inanity of Spanish-language TV — compared to the irritating Karenocentric content that whites watch — might help illustrate this effect. That includes the Spanish-language news, and especially their weather ladies!

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Known Fact

    She could predict ten feet of snow and I'd be happy. (Of course, I like snow.)

    Replies: @Known Fact

    , @kaganovitch
    @Known Fact

    A commenter yesterday theorized that Hispanics live longer in part because of their general Don’t Worry Be Happy attitude (as well as the advantages of a large extended family). The joyful inanity of Spanish-language TV

    Poor Ponce de Leon . Searching and searching for the fountain of youth and all he really needed to do was turn on Sabado Gigante.

  117. Long derided as a loon, it becomes clearer by the minute that Whiskey is a prophet.

    • Agree: JMcG
  118. Of course even if you navigate the racial issues there’s still that 800-pound gorilla — religion. Perhaps you can quickly tell online if someone is Jewish, Catholic or whatever, but you can never tell right off how this background and upbringing is going to guide their behavior and atitudes.

    I assume there are date sites for specific niche religions, but how do the larger general sites handle this potential issue of religious preference?

    (My own major-relationship progression went Catholic-Baptist-Catholic-Catholic, but two very enticing Jewesses nearly crashed the party. Who knows how that would have turned out? )

    • Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Known Fact

    For some reason I'm reminded of the old joke: how do you get a Jewish girl to stop screwing? Marry her.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Known Fact

    I dated a Jewess for a while when I first moved to Sodom on Hudson.
    It was hoot. she was plugging away at a PHD in psychology which I found endlessly amusing.
    She was still bugging my friends three years after I'd moved on.

    Replies: @Known Fact

  119. @victimofversetzung
    As soon as you see the name "Asia" you know she's not Asian.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Hibernian, @Edmandude

    Asia Carrera?

    • Replies: @victimofversetzung
    @Edmandude

    That was a joke-work-anger-at-parents name and doesn't count.

  120. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    Although I generally despise "dating culture" I'd seen when I'd been in the US - why can't you people meet in the usual, normal way? what kind of social life it is, anyway? - my only suggestion would be: create white only dating apps/sites. Only people of white European identity need apply. White gays, if they want, should have their own gay niche.

    Others (Asians, Mestizos, blacks, Muslims, (white) Jews as primary identity ethnicity, Indians, various mixes, ...)- sorry, go fishing among your own kind or any other way.

    Replies: @anon, @Known Fact, @hhsiii

    my only suggestion would be: create white only dating apps/sites.

    Not possible in the Woke States of America (WSA).

    Matchmaking site Christian Mingle was heterosexual only, for Christian-religion reasons, until they got sued in 2016 for discrimination. They lost and then had to create gay / lesbian zones. The other option was to go out of business.

    I suppose one could try hosting such a site offshore, but GlobalHomo would still work hard to blacklist it then shut it down.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Go country dancing. Duh. Sheesh, for a bunch of high IQs, y'all are right dumb at times.

  121. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spangel12
    what does removing the race filters accomplish? Tinder doesn’t have them. Perhaps we can ask black women if they have a better time on the tinder app vs other apps? I imagine the experience is no different for them either way.

    I feel for everyone who struggles with romantic rejection. Its not like when someone feels entitled to a position they are way under qualified for. You can’t just tell them “go do something else.” There is no acceptable something else when it comes to love and relationships.

    What’s it like in Africa in countries with some semblance of a middle class? Do black women have a hard time there too, or is that the situation where they get what they want?

    Replies: @anon

    what does removing the race filters accomplish?

    Good Feelze for SJW’s. Perhaps the most important thing in the Current Year world!

    Tinder doesn’t have them. Perhaps we can ask black women if they have a better time on the tinder app vs other apps? I imagine the experience is no different for them either way.

    Tinder is targeted at a different market than OKCupid or Hinge, so the site has different parameters. This should be obvious: hookups and LTR’s are not the same thing.

    Bumble’s CEO is an early 30’s woman who wanted have a site-something “more fair” than Tinder, that’s why the “woman invites first” is key part of the app. So it’s not a surprise that she’s including fat-acceptance in the application, but trans-acceptance is a bit unexpected. She must be a bit more of a Wokie than was shown earlier this month on CNBC.

  122. Asian women’s preference for Asian men.

    Hard doubt

  123. @Rockford Tyson
    @The Alarmist

    I think you got that in reverse. Northern European women are notorious for being the fastest=ageing women of all, usually getting their first wrinkles while still in their early to mid twenties. Most Latina and Asian women only get their first wrinkles in their late thirties to early forties.

    I have literally no clue why you made such a comment, because nothing could be further from the truth. Northern Europeans have very thin and delicate skin that is very sensitive to phototoxic damage from the Sun's UV light. Their skin ages faster.

    Also, if you look into the work of Steven Horvath, indicated to the Nobel Prize in medicine for his work on DNA methylation, Latinos age slower epigenetically than whites.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @The Alarmist, @JohnnyWalker123

    The women of Eastern Europe love their skin products, and they rub them on every day. Their exotic creams keep the wrinkles away, or so they say. Those women are artists that use every kind of cosmetic.

  124. @Mike_from_SGV
    At some point there will be a Rooney Rule for how we spend our money. At least 13% of our purchases will need to be from blacK-owned businesses, or from corporations with at least 13% blaCk board members or employees, or else we pay an income syntax.

    Replies: @indocon, @Luzzatto, @Change that Matters, @kaganovitch, @Forbes

    I’ve said for about a decade that acceptance, affirmation, and championing of gays (LBGTQWERTY) will not be sufficient. In order to demonstrate your bona fides, you’ll need to participate in homosexuality. It’s your conduct that matters, not your words. Otherwise, you’re just a bigot with discriminatory preferences…

    The idea of no preference filters for dating apps is just one step in that direction.

    Call it the Looney rule.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Forbes

    Ok, I got dibs on top.

  125. @Stonewall Jackson
    Why did the Mexican forbid his daughter from marrying a black man?

    He didn't want his grand children to be too lazy to steal.

    Replies: @Forbes

    A “culture war” joke making the rounds…

    The divisions over the culture wars are getting so bad the Republicans don’t want their sons dating Democrats…and Democrats don’t want their sons dating women.

    • LOL: J.Ross
  126. @Known Fact
    @Buzz Mohawk

    A commenter yesterday theorized that Hispanics live longer in part because of their general Don't Worry Be Happy attitude (as well as the advantages of a large extended family). The joyful inanity of Spanish-language TV -- compared to the irritating Karenocentric content that whites watch -- might help illustrate this effect. That includes the Spanish-language news, and especially their weather ladies!

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @kaganovitch

    She could predict ten feet of snow and I’d be happy. (Of course, I like snow.)

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Buzz Mohawk

    And her front can stall in my area anytime!

    Another example of Spanish-American TV's carefree vibe is a World Cup soccer game on Telemundo and ESPN at the same time. The Brits and Yanks on the US broadcast spew up a giant gaseous cloud of "analysis," accent on the anal, while the Latin guys are just rapid-fire babbling something about the pelota until they can finally go "GOOOOOAAAALLLLLL!!"

    Replies: @martin_2

  127. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Buzz Mohawk


    "(You women can do the same with the men of the world.)"
     
    Not so sure having casual sex with dozens of men (or more) before settling down is good advice for a young woman. Studies have shown that for women a larger number of sex partners before marriage increases the odds of eventual divorce. Not to mention that just because modern science has devised ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies doesn't mean there isn't such a thing as "damaged goods." Most men will recoil at the idea of marrying a woman who has a higher notch count than his, or one that exceeds some threshold.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anon, @theMann

    Most men will recoil at the idea of marrying a woman who has a higher notch count than his, or one that exceeds some threshold.

    That’s an interesting conundrum. After all, if we men are to enjoy the smorgasbord of women, how can we not expect women to do the converse?

    How can we not in fact encourage them to? Don’t you want an experienced partner who knows what she wants?

    And who knows how to please you…? Hmm…?

    I remember going through this question, and I got over it a long time ago. Women are adults, and they can handle modern pleasures and experiences as much as you can. You need not worry how many notches yours has on her belt.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buzz Mohawk


    if we men are to enjoy the smorgasbord of women
     
    Hmm. It’s not the cleanest option, but yes, one way to prevent pregnancy is to only put it in her smorgasbord.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It all goes back to the current belief that sexual intercourse is a kind of sporting activity that is safe and beneficial like tennis or golf, regardless of the fact that throughout human history it has been a very risky process with populations decimated by syphilis, AIDS (to some extent) and childbirth in which the life of the mother and child was always at risk.

    Even today it is acknowledged in the medical world and having an abortion at an early stage of a pregnancy carries less health risk to the mother than carrying the baby to term.

    Even when I was young, just around the time that the birth control pill was being invented, the discussion was much more about whether there should be "premarital sex", for example students who were pair-bonded having sex while in college and completing their degrees before marrying and having children.

    Now we have moved to the notion that sex is just like a handshake, but that if you don't have an active sex life, then there is something wrong with you.

    Personally I don't really think that this is a recipe for long-term happiness, at least not for a lot of people, and particularly not for women.

  128. @Known Fact
    Of course even if you navigate the racial issues there's still that 800-pound gorilla -- religion. Perhaps you can quickly tell online if someone is Jewish, Catholic or whatever, but you can never tell right off how this background and upbringing is going to guide their behavior and atitudes.

    I assume there are date sites for specific niche religions, but how do the larger general sites handle this potential issue of religious preference?

    (My own major-relationship progression went Catholic-Baptist-Catholic-Catholic, but two very enticing Jewesses nearly crashed the party. Who knows how that would have turned out? )

    Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Bill Jones

    For some reason I’m reminded of the old joke: how do you get a Jewish girl to stop screwing? Marry her.

  129. @Rockford Tyson
    @The Alarmist

    I think you got that in reverse. Northern European women are notorious for being the fastest=ageing women of all, usually getting their first wrinkles while still in their early to mid twenties. Most Latina and Asian women only get their first wrinkles in their late thirties to early forties.

    I have literally no clue why you made such a comment, because nothing could be further from the truth. Northern Europeans have very thin and delicate skin that is very sensitive to phototoxic damage from the Sun's UV light. Their skin ages faster.

    Also, if you look into the work of Steven Horvath, indicated to the Nobel Prize in medicine for his work on DNA methylation, Latinos age slower epigenetically than whites.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @The Alarmist, @JohnnyWalker123

    I guess I picked well, but her 60-something friends also don’t look so bad for their ages. And a lot less filler, lifting, and weight than one sees in the Anglosphere

  130. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Known Fact

    She could predict ten feet of snow and I'd be happy. (Of course, I like snow.)

    Replies: @Known Fact

    And her front can stall in my area anytime!

    Another example of Spanish-American TV’s carefree vibe is a World Cup soccer game on Telemundo and ESPN at the same time. The Brits and Yanks on the US broadcast spew up a giant gaseous cloud of “analysis,” accent on the anal, while the Latin guys are just rapid-fire babbling something about the pelota until they can finally go “GOOOOOAAAALLLLLL!!”

    • Replies: @martin_2
    @Known Fact

    Latin American leagues countries score fewer goals per game than Northern European leagues. Argentina is the land of the nil nil.

  131. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Sgt. Joe Friday


    Most men will recoil at the idea of marrying a woman who has a higher notch count than his, or one that exceeds some threshold.
     
    That's an interesting conundrum. After all, if we men are to enjoy the smorgasbord of women, how can we not expect women to do the converse?

    How can we not in fact encourage them to? Don't you want an experienced partner who knows what she wants?

    And who knows how to please you...? Hmm...?

    I remember going through this question, and I got over it a long time ago. Women are adults, and they can handle modern pleasures and experiences as much as you can. You need not worry how many notches yours has on her belt.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jonathan Mason

    if we men are to enjoy the smorgasbord of women

    Hmm. It’s not the cleanest option, but yes, one way to prevent pregnancy is to only put it in her smorgasbord.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    LOL. Well, that's funny. One girl did tell me about her friend who would only allow it in her smorgasbord -- to prevent pregnancy or whatever, you see. True story. Usually it takes some time to introduce a girl to her smorgasbord.

    "You never know what you're gonna get."


    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1901085/images/o-FORREST-GUMP-facebook.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Hmm. It’s not the cleanest option, but yes, one way to prevent pregnancy is to only put it in her smörgåsbord.

     

    In her buttered goose table?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  132. @Edmandude
    @victimofversetzung

    Asia Carrera?

    Replies: @victimofversetzung

    That was a joke-work-anger-at-parents name and doesn’t count.

  133. @Harry Baldwin
    @Reg Cæsar

    From your link: A language existed for personal ads. SWM for Single White Male, GBF for Gay Black Female. C stood for couple, T for transgender. J could stand for Jewish or Japanese and probably caused many people confusion.

    And many people marriages.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    They could always go with N for Nihonjin — oh, right …

  134. Nobody is forced to use dating sites. If people aren’t being shown the skin colors they want, they’ll use another dating site. If all the dating sites are corrupted, the people looking for dates will move to more unofficial sites, and set up a Craigslist-type dating site.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    Nobody is forced to use dating sites.

    That is soooo out of date, so 20th century. In the Current Year every app and site must cater to all possible genderings in all 57 states. Or else hatefulness is on the march! Because Diversity and Inclusivity!

    If all the dating sites are corrupted, the people looking for dates will move to more unofficial sites,

    Sure, and get funding via Patreon... lol.

  135. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Only 58%? It's my understanding that the 3 rules for men in dating apps is , #1 Be Attractive, #2 Be Very Attractive, #3, Don't Be Unattractive.

    The same would be true for women (or for cantaloupes for that matter - if you could pick between 10 melons, wouldn't you pick the best looking melon?) except that the nature of online dating is that it is a buyer's market for women so they are the ones who get to pick and choose. If there were 10 women for every man on an online site then the top 10% of women would get most of the likes.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  136. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Buzz Mohawk


    "(You women can do the same with the men of the world.)"
     
    Not so sure having casual sex with dozens of men (or more) before settling down is good advice for a young woman. Studies have shown that for women a larger number of sex partners before marriage increases the odds of eventual divorce. Not to mention that just because modern science has devised ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies doesn't mean there isn't such a thing as "damaged goods." Most men will recoil at the idea of marrying a woman who has a higher notch count than his, or one that exceeds some threshold.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anon, @theMann

    A woman with a large number of sex partners very likely has a psychological problem creating deep emotional attachments to other people that result in long-term bonds. That, more than anything else, is going to be the cause of a later divorce.

    I have an aunt who bragged that she must have dated a hundred guys in high school and college. This sounded crazy, so I asked my mother, who only confirmed it was true.

    What I wanted to know was, how do you break up with a hundred guys? The emotional wear and tear of a hundred breakups must be staggering. Anyway, my aunt did end up marrying and getting divorced. She dated several men after the divorce, but didn’t get married again.

    • Agree: TWS
    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    A woman with a large number of sex partners very likely has a psychological problem creating deep emotional attachments to other people that result in long-term bonds.

    tl;dr

    "Alpha Widow".

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    I have an aunt who bragged that she must have dated a hundred guys in high school and college. This sounded crazy, so I asked my mother, who only confirmed it was true.

    What I wanted to know was, how do you break up with a hundred guys?
     

    She dated them, she didn't move in with them. You've never heard of "playing the field"?

    There was no "breaking up". It didn't matter whom you dated and when. Archie went to the record hop with Veronica on Saturday, and to the Chock'lit Shoppe with Betty on Sunday afternoon. They kept their pants on in those days. At least until "going steady".

    Laugh if you must, but chastity had its practical advantages. It's when you "hook up" on first dates when hearts get broken.


    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7SGFVEd3YAg/VwI4kY2tArI/AAAAAAAAAt8/S_IuK-NWdp0yQEDr3Btz6L5ynEqrFkozQ/s1600/3657556-01.jpg

  137. @Rockford Tyson
    @The Alarmist

    I think you got that in reverse. Northern European women are notorious for being the fastest=ageing women of all, usually getting their first wrinkles while still in their early to mid twenties. Most Latina and Asian women only get their first wrinkles in their late thirties to early forties.

    I have literally no clue why you made such a comment, because nothing could be further from the truth. Northern Europeans have very thin and delicate skin that is very sensitive to phototoxic damage from the Sun's UV light. Their skin ages faster.

    Also, if you look into the work of Steven Horvath, indicated to the Nobel Prize in medicine for his work on DNA methylation, Latinos age slower epigenetically than whites.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @The Alarmist, @JohnnyWalker123

    Hispanic women blimp up quickly by around 25.

  138. @Hibernian
    @victimofversetzung

    When I was in the National Guard a Hispanic sergeant named her daughter Asia.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Known Fact, @Reg Cæsar

    When I was in the National Guard a Hispanic sergeant named her daughter Asia.

    Did she have a sister America?

    America Ferrera Asks: Should I Run For Office? Should You?

    From the same source, you can’t eat out, unless you’re on a film crew. Then you can eat out untaxed. California is upside-down:

    Coen Brothers, Eva Longoria & Steven Soderbergh Films Among 22 Features Allocated CA Tax Credits

  139. @jon
    @Luzzatto


    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it’s good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!
     
    Well, I might agree that someone like Rory Cochrane ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Cochrane#/media/File:Rory_Cochrane.jpg
    looks whiter than, say, Dean Cain ...
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zmrAFDDty6Y/TeB63Pv8FGI/AAAAAAACJ7I/ZvngwsuNjfM/s1600/asian_celebrities_11.jpg
    but I'm not sure I can say he looks better because of it.

    Are there any other famous half-Indians? A quick search didn't turn up much.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @jimmyriddle, @Thatgirl

    Dean Cain looks White and he is not half Asian he’s less than that. His dad is a Hapa mix and not pure Japanese.

    Dean Cain played White murderer Scott Peterson in a Lifetime film!

  140. @Bardon Kaldian
    Although I generally despise "dating culture" I'd seen when I'd been in the US - why can't you people meet in the usual, normal way? what kind of social life it is, anyway? - my only suggestion would be: create white only dating apps/sites. Only people of white European identity need apply. White gays, if they want, should have their own gay niche.

    Others (Asians, Mestizos, blacks, Muslims, (white) Jews as primary identity ethnicity, Indians, various mixes, ...)- sorry, go fishing among your own kind or any other way.

    Replies: @anon, @Known Fact, @hhsiii

    Isn’t there a dating website that bills itself for “farmers” — not literally just farmers but obviously pitched to a generally white, conservative, non-urban demographic?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Known Fact

    For Christians yes, but not for urban, race-realist, conservative or just mentally sane whites of American historical heritage, Washington-Jefferson- Adams-Parkman -Lincoln- Hawthorne - Faulkner type:

    https://www.cnet.com/news/best-dating-sites-for-2021/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_dating_services

  141. @Bill P
    @Luzzatto

    My test for my sons is pretty simple. Could she stand up to your mother in a fight? She doesn't have to win, but she needs to last at least a minute.

    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I'd be OK with the relationship. I suppose it's possible, but it seems unlikely.

    I'm quite serious about this. How is there ever going to be peace in the family if there's no respect between the women?

    Replies: @anon, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Truth

    My test for my sons is pretty simple. Could she stand up to your mother in a fight? She doesn’t have to win, but she needs to last at least a minute.

    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I’d be OK with the relationship. I suppose it’s possible, but it seems unlikely.

    I’m quite serious about this. How is there ever going to be peace in the family if there’s no respect between the women?

    Women almost never settle their differences in a physical fight, and they don’t have a concept of respect in the way that men do. Setting your wife up as the final boss matriarch to be struggled against for the hearts of your sons wouldn’t be doing them any favors.

    Your only hope on this score is that your wife has healthy relationships with your sons which will permit her to recede from her role as the primary relationship in their lives by the time that they reach maturity and are seeking a stable, perhaps life long bond with a woman. Otherwise, there would never be peace in the family because your wife and your sons’ intendeds will battle for their loyalty in the dissembling manner that women handle such power struggles. All of the women in the family will know that they’re waging war against one another, but you and your sons may only catch 10-15% of the controversy and will think that they’re all crazy (they are, but still). Small verbal digs that would go unnoticed between men, backhanded compliments, passive aggressive behavior, awkwardly bringing up past girlfriends, etc. Then when the happy couple first start celebrating holidays together, you will find that for whatever reason they can’t make it to your house. Your son and daughter in law will finally make a holiday, and your wife will “forget” to put out the desert that your daughter in law made and brought. Or when the grandchildren are born, you could get very little time with them. So forth and so on. Expect your sons’ wives to have control of the social calendar whether your sons fully grasp that fact or not.

    • Agree: Abe
  142. @Known Fact
    @Hibernian

    Obviously a fan of the Wetton-Howe-Palmer supergroup

    https://youtu.be/bXvxvn7iVgY

    Replies: @Deckin

    There’s a band called Asia, one called Europe, one called America, but is there any called Africa, or Australia?

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Deckin

    Yes indeed there's a Sydney group called Australia and they have a dancey pop vid on youtube for a song called Physical! (The exclamation point is theirs, not me getting all excited.)

    Toto had a hit with song called Africa and there are several songs titled Heart of Darkness -- but why would anyone name their band Africa?

  143. @Buzz Mohawk
    @El Dato

    Now that you mention it, office environments seem almost designed to encourage this kind of thing. A man looks his best in a good suit, and the women, OMG, they look great in what they wear to work.
    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/young-business-man-beautiful-business-woman-sitting-offic-men-women-office-chairs-isolated-white-background-48886024.jpg
    Traditional office clothing seems designed to accentuate the sexes, to a very positive effect!

    I'm saying go with it and find out what you like, and I'm not sure the "fucking around" is "at the root of many societal ills." For all we know, society would be even worse without the fucking around -- so I say fuck around! What is life for?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Abe, @TWS, @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    Traditional office clothing seems designed to accentuate the sexes, to a very positive effect!

    Weddings also (except in some cases for the unfortunate bridesmaids). And women can put on quite a display at funerals as well. Recall how at the end of The Wedding Crashers the skirt-chasing lotharios were branching off into funerals. There was one long stretch where my wife’s absolute hottest get-up was her funeral outfit, not that that’s something you want to look forward to.

  144. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Polistra

    I can say what it's about: Jewish guys want reasonably intelligent women who don't hector, lecture, nag or otherwise remind them of their mothers.

    There's more to it, for sure, but that's always been the big issue. Remember the (mostly Jewish) guys in the movie Diner, set in 1960 Baltimore? One of them, Eddie (Steve Guttenberg), is about to get married, but isn't sure he's doing the right thing. To give himself a potential "out," he's making his fiancée, Elyse -- nice Jewish girl's name -- take a football quiz, mostly about his beloved Baltimore Colts. If she doesn't pass, "the wedding's off." Elyse, who has been studying hard for this test, barely makes it over the cut line to pass.

    Eddie takes it in stride, but says, "good thing she's not a ballbreaker. If she were a ballbreaker, no way would I go through with this." Eddie's mother -- naturally, a world-class ballbreaker. (No one would find the original Diner credible today: in the remake, Paul Reiser and Daniel Stern would try to fix up Steve Guttenberg with a nice, slender Chinese girl who's pre-med at Johns Hopkins.)

    Replies: @Not Raul, @kaganovitch, @Dissident

    I can say what it’s about: Jewish guys want reasonably intelligent women who don’t hector, lecture, nag or otherwise remind them of their mothers.

    Eddie: Pour me a double.

    Bartender: Tough day?

    Eddie: You can say that again!

    Bartender: Is it . . . you know who?

    Eddie: Yeah. My mother’s been breaking my balls again. She breaks my balls like it’s on sale.

  145. @jon
    @Luzzatto


    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it’s good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!
     
    Well, I might agree that someone like Rory Cochrane ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Cochrane#/media/File:Rory_Cochrane.jpg
    looks whiter than, say, Dean Cain ...
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zmrAFDDty6Y/TeB63Pv8FGI/AAAAAAACJ7I/ZvngwsuNjfM/s1600/asian_celebrities_11.jpg
    but I'm not sure I can say he looks better because of it.

    Are there any other famous half-Indians? A quick search didn't turn up much.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @jimmyriddle, @Thatgirl

    Are there any other famous half-Indians? A quick search didn’t turn up much.

    IIRC, Boris Karloff and Vivien Leigh have significant Indian ancestry. It shows up phenotypically in Karloff, but I don’t think it shows up at all in Leigh.

    Also, Kate Beckinsale’s father is part Burmese, but she looks like the quintessential English Rose.

  146. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buzz Mohawk


    if we men are to enjoy the smorgasbord of women
     
    Hmm. It’s not the cleanest option, but yes, one way to prevent pregnancy is to only put it in her smorgasbord.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Reg Cæsar

    LOL. Well, that’s funny. One girl did tell me about her friend who would only allow it in her smorgasbord — to prevent pregnancy or whatever, you see. True story. Usually it takes some time to introduce a girl to her smorgasbord.

    “You never know what you’re gonna get.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk

    In checking my e-mail after ending my afternoon iSteve session, what do I find but this timely advice from a French jurist?


    Pourquoi la position de la levrette est-elle populaire ?


    Levrette is "greyhound bitch", and used for "doggy style" if you're looking for a euphemism. (Watch it with those fast girls.) It is not to be confused with "Leverette", a strangely apt surname for this Oaklander:


    Netflix's 'Canine Intervention' is about humans training dogs — and dogs training humans

    "The new reality series from Netflix shows humans how to get problem dogs to behave. But it’s also about how dogs get people to work at love."

    Uh... what kind of "love"? This is the network that brought us Cuties!

  147. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buzz Mohawk


    if we men are to enjoy the smorgasbord of women
     
    Hmm. It’s not the cleanest option, but yes, one way to prevent pregnancy is to only put it in her smorgasbord.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Reg Cæsar

    Hmm. It’s not the cleanest option, but yes, one way to prevent pregnancy is to only put it in her smörgåsbord.

    In her buttered goose table?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Reg Cæsar

    Again with the Last Tango in Paris references?

    Replies: @iDeplorable

  148. I find this difficult to believe because every time I watch an advert on TV there is a white woman with her super-accomplished black partner – I don’t think I’ve ever seen an asian man or women.

  149. @Buzz Mohawk
    An extended life chapter of active single living, with good contraception, is the solution. People need to get out more and try different things. That way they will discover what they really like.

    Last night, my wife cooked lamb tagine, a Moroccan dish. Well, I discovered I don't like it as much as, say, an ordinary, American meal of baked chicken. I would not have known this if I hadn't tried lamb tagine.

    Similarly, I dated all kinds of women when I was single, and I found out what I like before I picked one to spend the rest of my life with. People should be encouraged to do this. Modern contraception makes it possible more than ever. It is part of the modern joie de vivre made possible by the advances of European Man: world travel, contraception, etc.

    We suffer the pains of this modern world our people built, so why not enjoy the pleasures of it? Men: Get out there and try the world buffet of women! (You women can do the same with the men of the world.)

    Eventually, you will come around to what you like best. Usually, it's your own kind.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    An extended life chapter of active single living, with good contraception, is the solution. People need to get out more and try different things. That way they will discover what they really like.

    Last night, my wife cooked lamb tagine, a Moroccan dish. Well, I discovered I don’t like it as much as, say, an ordinary, American meal of baked chicken. I would not have known this if I hadn’t tried lamb tagine.

    Similarly, I dated all kinds of women when I was single, and I found out what I like before I picked one to spend the rest of my life with.

    I also cannot settle on a favorite meal until dozens of other men have first penetrated it with their phallus.

  150. Abe says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    @El Dato

    Now that you mention it, office environments seem almost designed to encourage this kind of thing. A man looks his best in a good suit, and the women, OMG, they look great in what they wear to work.
    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/young-business-man-beautiful-business-woman-sitting-offic-men-women-office-chairs-isolated-white-background-48886024.jpg
    Traditional office clothing seems designed to accentuate the sexes, to a very positive effect!

    I'm saying go with it and find out what you like, and I'm not sure the "fucking around" is "at the root of many societal ills." For all we know, society would be even worse without the fucking around -- so I say fuck around! What is life for?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Abe, @TWS, @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    I’m saying go with it and find out what you like, and I’m not sure the “fucking around” is “at the root of many societal ills.” For all we know, society would be even worse without the fucking around — so I say fuck around! What is life for?

    I agree, but I cannot defend this on principle (whether moral or philosophical). All I can say is just it’s what I happened to grow up with and that I personally had a blast doing. I came of age and “sowed my oats” in the glorious smoking wreckage of 2nd Wave Feminism, after Camille Paglia and Madonna singlehandedly slew the Dragon of Dworkin and brought joy and good times to all the land. SEX & THE CITY then brainwashed a whole generation of impressionable young girls into thinking they were losers if their number of sexual partners was not on the same order of magnitude as George Michael’s .

    Unfortunately I was not quite young enough to reap the full benefits of this revolution, but I have younger family members who were in college in the Aught’s so I have a good idea of what was going on then. Remember when “hookups” (i.e. casual, totally non-commital, sexual assignations) were the norm when it came to campus dating? Remember when female grooming, tanning, and body toning standards reached all-time new levels of awesomeness AND they were combined with a generally sunny, happy-go-lucky, down-to-party/DTF attitude? Remember when three-ways were so totally vanilla they could take up a whole episode of as anodyne a network sitcom as HOW I MARRIED YOUR MOTHER? When beer ads about three ways with twin sisters (and, sorry, that’s where my personal ick factor draws the line) could be snarked about on public TV, instead of blue-haired GloboHomo corporate sponsors now hectoring us to shave off our toxic masculinity and be less white? I do.

    For all the outright policy disasters of the Bush II years, in retrospect they were a hella bro-tastic, party-hearty time to be alive. Sexual relations (and, interestingly, race relations) were never better, and have never been better.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Abe

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nrBMvsVht1I

  151. @Abe
    @Buzz Mohawk


    I’m saying go with it and find out what you like, and I’m not sure the “fucking around” is “at the root of many societal ills.” For all we know, society would be even worse without the fucking around — so I say fuck around! What is life for?
     
    I agree, but I cannot defend this on principle (whether moral or philosophical). All I can say is just it’s what I happened to grow up with and that I personally had a blast doing. I came of age and “sowed my oats” in the glorious smoking wreckage of 2nd Wave Feminism, after Camille Paglia and Madonna singlehandedly slew the Dragon of Dworkin and brought joy and good times to all the land. SEX & THE CITY then brainwashed a whole generation of impressionable young girls into thinking they were losers if their number of sexual partners was not on the same order of magnitude as George Michael’s .

    Unfortunately I was not quite young enough to reap the full benefits of this revolution, but I have younger family members who were in college in the Aught’s so I have a good idea of what was going on then. Remember when “hookups” (i.e. casual, totally non-commital, sexual assignations) were the norm when it came to campus dating? Remember when female grooming, tanning, and body toning standards reached all-time new levels of awesomeness AND they were combined with a generally sunny, happy-go-lucky, down-to-party/DTF attitude? Remember when three-ways were so totally vanilla they could take up a whole episode of as anodyne a network sitcom as HOW I MARRIED YOUR MOTHER? When beer ads about three ways with twin sisters (and, sorry, that’s where my personal ick factor draws the line) could be snarked about on public TV, instead of blue-haired GloboHomo corporate sponsors now hectoring us to shave off our toxic masculinity and be less white? I do.

    For all the outright policy disasters of the Bush II years, in retrospect they were a hella bro-tastic, party-hearty time to be alive. Sexual relations (and, interestingly, race relations) were never better, and have never been better.

    Replies: @Abe

  152. @Jack D
    @raga10


    as long as dating sites post pictures,
     
    AirBnB already got rid of pictures so that property owners could not racistly see the race of people they were letting into their homes. It's only a matter of time before the dating sites do the same. If the measures they take now to root out racism (e.g. getting rid of the ability to filter by race) don't work, then they will have to take more effective measures. We cannot rest until the scourge of racism is completely purged from every aspect of our lives thanks to the efforts of our online masters. You will know when this has worked when the percentage of interracial couples that you see in real life is equal to the percentage you see in toothpaste ads (100%). Since the coming generation in the US is about 50% non-white, this creates the possibility that every single white person can be matched up with an non-white.

    Big Tech is a great blessing to Wokism because they are not constrained by the Constitutional limits placed on government action and yet provide a centralized chokepoint for the elimination of white supremacy.

    Replies: @raga10

    AirBnB already got rid of pictures so that property owners could not racistly see the race of people they were letting into their homes. It’s only a matter of time before the dating sites do the same.

    I suppose it’s possible but I think chances of them going this far are very, very small. It is possible to argue that you don’t need to know the race of people you will never meet, but convincing people they don’t need to know what their potential date looks like would be much harder sell. In the end dating sites are business: they are in it for the profit not ideology and they just need to keep up the appearance. Once they do, it will be back to business as usual.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @raga10


    I suppose it’s possible but I think chances of them going this far are very, very small. It is possible to argue that you don’t need to know the race of people you will never meet, but convincing people they don’t need to know what their potential date looks like would be much harder sell.
     
    It is a bigger risk and commitment to have a stranger overnight in your house that it is to meet them for coffee.
  153. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    LOL. Well, that's funny. One girl did tell me about her friend who would only allow it in her smorgasbord -- to prevent pregnancy or whatever, you see. True story. Usually it takes some time to introduce a girl to her smorgasbord.

    "You never know what you're gonna get."


    http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1901085/images/o-FORREST-GUMP-facebook.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    In checking my e-mail after ending my afternoon iSteve session, what do I find but this timely advice from a French jurist?

    Pourquoi la position de la levrette est-elle populaire ?

    Levrette is “greyhound bitch”, and used for “doggy style” if you’re looking for a euphemism. (Watch it with those fast girls.) It is not to be confused with “Leverette”, a strangely apt surname for this Oaklander:

    Netflix’s ‘Canine Intervention’ is about humans training dogs — and dogs training humans

    “The new reality series from Netflix shows humans how to get problem dogs to behave. But it’s also about how dogs get people to work at love.”

    Uh… what kind of “love”? This is the network that brought us Cuties!

  154. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Buzz Mohawk


    "(You women can do the same with the men of the world.)"
     
    Not so sure having casual sex with dozens of men (or more) before settling down is good advice for a young woman. Studies have shown that for women a larger number of sex partners before marriage increases the odds of eventual divorce. Not to mention that just because modern science has devised ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies doesn't mean there isn't such a thing as "damaged goods." Most men will recoil at the idea of marrying a woman who has a higher notch count than his, or one that exceeds some threshold.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anon, @theMann

    The general formula for female , uhm, excess is:

    One partner per year – age at loss of virginity.

    So if a woman is thirty, and gave it up sweet at 16, fifteen partners is a bit much.

    Oh, and btw, most women’s first time is almost never sweet. For them, it is not almost 19 seconds of the best they will ever have, like it is for us.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @theMann

    My impression is that women often have a lot more fun with dildos than with casual one-night-stands. Not all the time, of course, but you really don't have a way of knowing how good someone is in bed until they are in bed with you, and this can be pretty divorced from how physically attractive or charismatic or confident they are. (You'd be *really* surprised at how many scrawny geeky guys and fatter ladies turn out to be much better at sex, even if they don't have any experience-or not, when you consider they'll put a lot more effort into making their partner feel good.) Especially if you are both drunk and physically clumsy.

    For men, it's not really an issue, because even bad sex is fun for us. (Which is, of course, one of the many reasons why getting laid at all takes a lot more for a guy.) For a woman, a bad lover can be downright painful.

  155. @Buzz Mohawk
    @El Dato

    Now that you mention it, office environments seem almost designed to encourage this kind of thing. A man looks his best in a good suit, and the women, OMG, they look great in what they wear to work.
    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/young-business-man-beautiful-business-woman-sitting-offic-men-women-office-chairs-isolated-white-background-48886024.jpg
    Traditional office clothing seems designed to accentuate the sexes, to a very positive effect!

    I'm saying go with it and find out what you like, and I'm not sure the "fucking around" is "at the root of many societal ills." For all we know, society would be even worse without the fucking around -- so I say fuck around! What is life for?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Abe, @TWS, @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    We used to flirt and pick up each other at work. Super common American pastime. I met my first serious girlfriend at work when I was in high school. Now, it’s a wasteland of stupid boring interactions.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @TWS

    Newsrooms were super-incestuous soap operas, because newspaper people worked crappy hours and don't get along too well with normal people from the outside world. Wonder how that works now with all the wokeness.

    , @Sick 'n Tired
    @TWS

    Now it's grounds for firing for you, and a hefty settlement sum for the other party, depending on which side of the gender spectrum you're on.

    A friend of mine works for a very high end corporation, and I occasionally get to sit in on some of the online woke diversity training/HR brainwashing videos they are forced to participate in (which all of a sudden increased around June 2020). They are beyond ridiculous compared to what I am used to working in the construction trades for 30+ years, and absolutely scary in the sense Fortune 100 companies are pushing this crap narrative on their employees.

    It is the absolute destruction of simple human interaction, flirting, talking trash, and telling jokes. Everyone who wants to make it any where in any of these companies needs to not only disavow these simple human traits, but report anyone who displays them. It is group/wrong think on overload.

  156. @Anonymous
    @Altai

    "So I returned to him with homework. “You can rationalize your dating history all you want,” I said one night in bed. (Do Asian women have a reputation for being good at pillow talk by the way? Because I feel like I’m killing it.) “But you can’t deny how it looks from the outside. And most importantly, you have to consider how it makes the women you’ve dated feel. Think about how it feels to be one in a line of many women who look like you. How replaceable must that make one feel? How demeaning is that?”

    I read that article initially feeling a human sympathy for both, and now I am thinking "nuke it from orbit".
    I am not intellectually endorsing that, but those are muh feelz.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Bardon Kaldian

    Think about how it feels to be one in a line of many women who look like you

    So she’s saying they all look alike?

  157. @Anonymous
    @Altai

    "So I returned to him with homework. “You can rationalize your dating history all you want,” I said one night in bed. (Do Asian women have a reputation for being good at pillow talk by the way? Because I feel like I’m killing it.) “But you can’t deny how it looks from the outside. And most importantly, you have to consider how it makes the women you’ve dated feel. Think about how it feels to be one in a line of many women who look like you. How replaceable must that make one feel? How demeaning is that?”

    I read that article initially feeling a human sympathy for both, and now I am thinking "nuke it from orbit".
    I am not intellectually endorsing that, but those are muh feelz.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Bardon Kaldian

    It’s not the same because of the anatomy. No cultural relativism can change this.

    A key that can open many locks is called a master key, but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Stealing that!

    Replies: @anon

  158. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @indocon

    In the Indian diaspora, there are a considerable number of Christians, a much higher percentage than is found on the mainland. They are usually recognizable by their Portuguese surnames. And they have a very high rate of outmarriage. I’d venture to say that in most White-Indian marriages, the Indian is Christian. At least that’s been my personal observation. Hindu Indians are the complete opposite, and are probably the most clannish and least likely to outmarry of all Asian groups. And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese. I’d say Chinese-Americans are less likely to be Christian than Indian-Americans.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @TimothyTimtim324, @Luzzatto

    And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese. I’d say Chinese-Americans are less likely to be Christian than Indian-Americans.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Only 65% Catholicism for Filipinos? That is interesting. I suppose it is plausible that professional types might include more Protestants, but my impression from Brazil-admittedly not a great comparison, but the best one I've got for a legacy Catholic country that has recently seen a Protestant influx-was that evangelical Protestantism tended to appeal mostly to favela dwellers.

    >Wakanda ain’t real, and only American blacks seem not to know that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fSRTQ4Sc4k

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Twinkie

  159. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Polistra

    I can say what it's about: Jewish guys want reasonably intelligent women who don't hector, lecture, nag or otherwise remind them of their mothers.

    There's more to it, for sure, but that's always been the big issue. Remember the (mostly Jewish) guys in the movie Diner, set in 1960 Baltimore? One of them, Eddie (Steve Guttenberg), is about to get married, but isn't sure he's doing the right thing. To give himself a potential "out," he's making his fiancée, Elyse -- nice Jewish girl's name -- take a football quiz, mostly about his beloved Baltimore Colts. If she doesn't pass, "the wedding's off." Elyse, who has been studying hard for this test, barely makes it over the cut line to pass.

    Eddie takes it in stride, but says, "good thing she's not a ballbreaker. If she were a ballbreaker, no way would I go through with this." Eddie's mother -- naturally, a world-class ballbreaker. (No one would find the original Diner credible today: in the remake, Paul Reiser and Daniel Stern would try to fix up Steve Guttenberg with a nice, slender Chinese girl who's pre-med at Johns Hopkins.)

    Replies: @Not Raul, @kaganovitch, @Dissident

    I can say what it’s about: Jewish guys want reasonably intelligent women who don’t hector, lecture, nag or otherwise remind them of their mothers.

    Gotta say, that Jed Rubinfeld fellow really lucked out.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @kaganovitch

    In general, yes, Jed Rubenfeld has been fortunate in his choice of Amy Chua as his wife. But as politically astute as she is, she couldn't save her husband from being suspended from the faculty of Yale Law School for two years (until fall 2022) over allegations of sexual harassment -- which allegations he steadfastly denies.

    Rubenfeld and Chua have been Yale Law's power couple for quite a while. Long enough to accumulate envy -- and enemies. I suspect there's much more going on here than meets the eye: Chua was well known for counseling female law students on how to prepare for job interviews, especially for judicial clerkships, even to the point of suggesting what the students should wear. Inevitably she was criticized for supposedly having hinted that for interviews with certain male judges, female law students were well advised to dress as attractively as possible. Stories about Rubenfeld suggest an academic long accustomed to droit du seigneur.

    Cue JohnnyWalker123 in 3, 2, 1...

  160. @Known Fact
    @Buzz Mohawk

    A commenter yesterday theorized that Hispanics live longer in part because of their general Don't Worry Be Happy attitude (as well as the advantages of a large extended family). The joyful inanity of Spanish-language TV -- compared to the irritating Karenocentric content that whites watch -- might help illustrate this effect. That includes the Spanish-language news, and especially their weather ladies!

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @kaganovitch

    A commenter yesterday theorized that Hispanics live longer in part because of their general Don’t Worry Be Happy attitude (as well as the advantages of a large extended family). The joyful inanity of Spanish-language TV

    Poor Ponce de Leon . Searching and searching for the fountain of youth and all he really needed to do was turn on Sabado Gigante.

  161. @Nigerian Nationalist
    While you people obsess over Blacks, they will force you to date fatsos and suck off trannies.

    This why you people have been steadily losing. Blacks are a minority in your country. Your worst enemy (and mine, incidentally) are your fellow Whites.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Kylie, @anon, @Servant of Gla'aki

    “This why you people have been steadily losing. Blacks are a minority in your country. Your worst enemy (and mine, incidentally) are your fellow Whites.”

    The worst enemies of conservative white people are liberal white women.

    They’re not really your friends, either. They just pick you up to 1) signal their virtue and/or street cred and 2) use you as a cudgel against their fellow whites.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    The worst enemies of conservative white people are liberal white women.

    They’re not really your friends, either. They just pick you up to 1) signal their virtue and/or street cred and 2) use you as a cudgel against their fellow whites.
     

    That's in America. In Europe, they fly to the Caribbean and even Africa to canoodle with younger, local boys. Then dump them and go home.


    Female sex tourism in Jamaica: An assessment of perceptions


    Pattaya but backwards: Sex tourism in The Gambia

    Let’s Talk About Sex: Female Sex Tourism in The Gambia


    Is there a country more phallic than the Gambia in shape? (Perhaps Sweden or Norway with the help of scrotal Finland.) Especially in her (his?) relationship with Senegal.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Gambia-map-political.jpg/220px-Gambia-map-political.jpg

    https://cdn4.vectorstock.com/i/1000x1000/33/28/gambia-outline-map-vector-30803328.jpg

  162. @Rosie
    I guess sooner or later a person's online dating history will be grounds for cancelation.

    Of course, if the government does it,we can always fall back on those penumbrae so many around here find so objectionable. Granted, they'd probably find some way around it, but technically the right to privacy is on the books.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    technically the right to privacy is on the books.

    Where?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Almost Missouri


    Where?
     
    Don't start, AM. The right to privacy (substantive due process) is written into constitutional caselaw going back 100 years.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_v._Nebraska

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  163. @Buzz Mohawk
    @El Dato

    Now that you mention it, office environments seem almost designed to encourage this kind of thing. A man looks his best in a good suit, and the women, OMG, they look great in what they wear to work.
    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/young-business-man-beautiful-business-woman-sitting-offic-men-women-office-chairs-isolated-white-background-48886024.jpg
    Traditional office clothing seems designed to accentuate the sexes, to a very positive effect!

    I'm saying go with it and find out what you like, and I'm not sure the "fucking around" is "at the root of many societal ills." For all we know, society would be even worse without the fucking around -- so I say fuck around! What is life for?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Abe, @TWS, @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    Broader point: I’d much rather die at 80 in a climbing accident with a bottle of beer in one hand, a good math or history book in the other, and belly full of juicy red meat and chili peppers than live to be 100 but having spent those remaining two decades in a forced return to childhood or worse. I’ve been forced to watch family members multiple times succumb to horrible deaths that sucked the joy of life from them. Put me off the idea of safety. We’re all gonna end up dead, way more important to live well.

    In flagrante delicto with an eligible widow or spinster is just as good.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @nebulafox

    One good possible outcone of the insane criminal lockdown is people forced to recognize the stupidity of safetyism.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @JMcG
    @nebulafox

    That’s the climber’s wish- If I fall, let me be up high. There’s also dying in a giant pile of hot brass.
    I just watched a little documentary on Don Whillans, the great British climber from a few decades ago. Drank pints, smoked cigarettes, climbed hard rock, and died in his sleep at a good-looking 52.

  164. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @indocon

    In the Indian diaspora, there are a considerable number of Christians, a much higher percentage than is found on the mainland. They are usually recognizable by their Portuguese surnames. And they have a very high rate of outmarriage. I’d venture to say that in most White-Indian marriages, the Indian is Christian. At least that’s been my personal observation. Hindu Indians are the complete opposite, and are probably the most clannish and least likely to outmarry of all Asian groups. And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese. I’d say Chinese-Americans are less likely to be Christian than Indian-Americans.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @TimothyTimtim324, @Luzzatto

    They’d be Goans, then. Until 1962, it was part of Portugal.

    From my understanding (I’ve never been to India), Goa is the Bali or Hong Kong of India: more than a bit different from the rest of the country.

    >And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese.

    Christianity has been getting popular on the mainland, and a lot of earlier wave immigrants are Taiwanese: more likely to be Christian.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    @nebulafox

    Not necessarily, they could be, for instance, Bombay Catholics from Bandra like Amitabh Bachchan's character in this movie:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlxfIIgKZho

    (Christians in Indian film used always to be portrayed as fun-loving drunkards; I don't know if that's still true.)

    Replies: @CCG

    , @Bill Jones
    @nebulafox


    Goa is the Bali or Hong Kong of India:
     
    You're making it too easy for me.
    Shouldn't Goa be the Macau of India, rather than the Hong Kong?
  165. @JohnnyWalker123
    Don't go bald.

    https://twitter.com/OmnyBased/status/1366117104672534536

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Bill Jones, @mongoos

    The guy on the left still has a chance. On Japanese TV recently, a show featured a guy who is prematurely bald but deals with it by growing the hair on the back of his head very long and then combing it in such a way that it goes over his bald areas but looks like he has a full head of hair. It was incredibly effective, but I think your hair has to be heavy enough for this strategy to work. The guys on the right should just shave it off. Clippers are $10 at Walmart.

  166. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad


    But Judaism evolved to be precisely that–a tribal religion that’s job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society.
     
    How many Jews do you actually know?

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    But Judaism evolved to be precisely that–a tribal religion that’s job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society.

    How many Jews do you actually know?

    Yawn.

    To answer your question–several. I went to grad school in physics.

    Seriously, there are some people simply unable to get over their particular deal, and do any analysis. A good many Jews–and Christians for that matter–simply have some sort of emotional freakout over even the most rudimentary analysis of Judaism.

    Straightforward stuff:
    — Judaism is not a universal religion but a tribal religion. (That’s how most religions start.)
    — One purpose of religion is the rule book. (This is how our group does stuff.)
    — Another is social solidarity–we are X, X binds us together.
    — Christianity–whatever Jesus meant to do–quickly under St. Paul became a universal religion.
    — Christianity eventually converted most all of the tribes of Europe, effectively ending the indigenous tribal religions. Worked to de-tribalize social and unite everyone under Christianity. — So eventually Christianity just was–i.e. it was just what everyone was, the normative basis for society and was twerked around to provide normative support the existing feudal order.
    — Jews pushing north into Europe, were then a lone tribe with their own tribal religion in a society where society was structured around a universal and detribalizing religion that basically says you should be Christian.
    — Some Jews defected–Christianized and became normal Europeans.
    — Facing this sort of universal/anti-tribal/agglomerative environment, a tribe seeking to keep itself separate must ramp-up its “separateness”, “specialness”, increase the feeling of being distinct, increase the hostility to outsiders, increase penalties for defection.
    — Judaism–unsurprisingly–did precisely this. I’m know little about it (and not particularly interested in Judaism or anyone else’s tribal religion). Most practices are merely arcane, –promoting the standard “this is our tribe” distinction–weird attire, practices. But some practices/commands are obviously designed precisely to keep Jews separate from Gentiles–anti-association, anti-integration–and then there’s a whole body of anti-Christian ideology/commands.
    — It worked. Overall Jews had really quite low rates of defection to normies, almost all stayed onside in their community … up until the modern period, when many Jews with more modern perspectives looked around and went “lame”. (Either initiated reformist movements inside Judaism, or simply bailed out to mainstream society.)

    Any serious argument with any of that?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    Yawn? Then you go on to type a near tome, although I realize that you probably have most of it insta-written.

    I have arguments with all of it but unlike you, I have limited time to argue with idiots on the internet.

    I will say this -

    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.

    Moses Mendelsohn, of whom Steve Sailer has written, had 10 or 11 kids. Not one of his grandchildren was Jewish. As a physicist, you should know that the overwhelming majority of the great Jewish physicists didn't have Jewish grandchildren. 50% of the Jews who bother to get married (US Jews have a low marriage participation rate) marry non-Jews.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @Anon

    , @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    For non-Jews or Jews who don't have a panic attack when someone contradicts the preferred Jewish spin on their non-assimilation ...

    There's an interesting comparison in behavior with the Mormons.

    For a standard issue US white people, the Mormons have a fairly strong ingroup identity. See themselves as distinctly separate from the larger "gentile" population.

    I find what the Mormons actually do pretty impressive. They've been able to maintain a very patriarchal, family centric program in the midst of modernity. And a strong mutual support network so that the families--if people behave properly--will always have a job and be able to make it. It's great stuff. But to maintain their esprit de corps and not just fade into the generic protestant population, they have to have the arcane beliefs and practices that set themselves apart. And they do. I'm not really religious, but if i was, i'd be interested in being a Mormon ... except the whole theology is nuts. The nuttiness keeps 'em separate and tight.

    But because the Mormons are a universal religion and actually want converts, unlike the Jews they don't really have the non-association or the hostility. They actually want to associate with you, smother you with goodness and bring you into the fold.

    It's interesting to me. A certain level of weirdness/distinctiveness/separation is required for the esprit de corps to keep a groupd with anything good/special tight, suppress defection and keep it from dissolving into the generally society's mush. But the level of outgroup hostility/separation depends a lot on what you're trying to achieve. Do you just want to propagate endogamously? Or do you want to bring in recruits?

    , @J.Ross
    @AnotherDad

    Agree (reminder I had a short comment making a similar point but which evidently was poorly phrased because it was eaten). The Hebrew word for "sacred" is the same as its word for "separate."

  167. @Polistra
    @Luzzatto

    Uh, passing for white isn't exactly going to be an advantage in the Brave New World.

    Replies: @S

    Uh, passing for white isn’t exactly going to be an advantage in the Brave New World.

    Right. It’s not 1960 anymore.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Passed_for_White

  168. @nebulafox
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    They'd be Goans, then. Until 1962, it was part of Portugal.

    From my understanding (I've never been to India), Goa is the Bali or Hong Kong of India: more than a bit different from the rest of the country.

    >And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese.

    Christianity has been getting popular on the mainland, and a lot of earlier wave immigrants are Taiwanese: more likely to be Christian.

    Replies: @RSDB, @Bill Jones

    Not necessarily, they could be, for instance, Bombay Catholics from Bandra like Amitabh Bachchan’s character in this movie:

    [MORE]

    (Christians in Indian film used always to be portrayed as fun-loving drunkards; I don’t know if that’s still true.)

    • Replies: @CCG
    @RSDB

    The majority of Catholics living in Bombay last century were Goans. The British encouraged rural Catholic Goans to migrate to Bombay from the 1800s and work for the British residents as cooks (a Catholic cook had no taboos about beef or pork), bakers (Catholic Goan bakers were experienced in making Portuguese bread and other baked goods like cakes, cookies, pies), musicians (Catholic Goans learnt Western instrumental and choral music in the parochial schools), nannies (e.g. Rudyard Kipling's nanny was a Catholic Goan woman so that he would be raised with European influences), etc.

    There was already a small community (called "Norteiros" in Portuguese) of native Catholics with Portuguese names (from the century that the Portuguese held Bombay, before João IV of Portugal gifted it to King Charles II of England as part of Princess Caterina's dowry). But their numbers were not sufficient to meet the labour demand by the British. The influx of Catholic Goans, called "Goan Portuguese" by the British, made the "Bombay Portuguese" rename themselves with a name emphasizing their status as British subjects, to distinguish them from the Goans (Portuguese subjects). The Norteiros called themselves "East Indians" in honour of the East India Company which ruled them until recently on behalf of the UK.

    BTW, those repeated nasty portrayals in Bollywood (unemployed alcoholics like 'Anthony Gonsalves', low-IQ prostitutes like 'Bobby', etc.) is the reason why the overwhelming majority of Catholic Goans don't watch Bollywood movies and prefer Hollywood movies. You also won't find many Catholic Goans acting in Bollywood, again for the same reason. Catholic Goan involvement in Bollywood is usually restricted to men creating the movie soundtrack.

  169. @Known Fact
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Isn't there a dating website that bills itself for "farmers" -- not literally just farmers but obviously pitched to a generally white, conservative, non-urban demographic?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    For Christians yes, but not for urban, race-realist, conservative or just mentally sane whites of American historical heritage, Washington-Jefferson- Adams-Parkman -Lincoln- Hawthorne – Faulkner type:

    https://www.cnet.com/news/best-dating-sites-for-2021/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_dating_services

  170. @Deckin
    @Known Fact

    There's a band called Asia, one called Europe, one called America, but is there any called Africa, or Australia?

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Yes indeed there’s a Sydney group called Australia and they have a dancey pop vid on youtube for a song called Physical! (The exclamation point is theirs, not me getting all excited.)

    Toto had a hit with song called Africa and there are several songs titled Heart of Darkness — but why would anyone name their band Africa?

  171. @anon
    @Bill P


    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I’d be OK with the relationship.
     
    How would you feel about your grandchildren having Hindu first names?

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Bill P, @Inquiring Mind

    There are those folks from Southern India, however, who have names like “John” and “Mario” and “Joseph” and “Neil.”

  172. @TWS
    @Buzz Mohawk

    We used to flirt and pick up each other at work. Super common American pastime. I met my first serious girlfriend at work when I was in high school. Now, it's a wasteland of stupid boring interactions.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Sick 'n Tired

    Newsrooms were super-incestuous soap operas, because newspaper people worked crappy hours and don’t get along too well with normal people from the outside world. Wonder how that works now with all the wokeness.

  173. @Twinkie
    @Steve Sailer


    My 1997 article “Is Love Colorblind?” pointed out that black women and Asian men are undervalued in the dating market.
     
    You also buried, many paragraphs in, the fact that there was considerable disparity between foreign-born Asian men vs. the American-born males (3 times as many American-born Asian males outmarried as foreign-born ones per capita in 2010), meaning that the large gap in WM-AF couples vs. AM-WF couples was/is mostly an artifact of acculturation.

    There was a couple of other issues with your assertions. For example, Asian males in America have had the highest marriage rate among all races (also the lowest divorce rate*). There is also a large, absolute numerical disparity between Asians men and women in the U.S., with the latter vastly outnumbering the former (which means, given the high average in-group preference all races have, Asian women in America are bound to have high out-marriage rates).

    In addition, the dramatic increase in Asian immigration in the last 40 years or so has, predictably, reduced Asian outmarriage, especially for males. Many new arrivals are older and arrive married.

    *Marital stability by couples’ races

    Rank Pairing Relative divorce rate by pairing
    1 Black, Black 1.63
    2 Black husband, White wife 1.62
    3 Black, White 1.55
    4 White husband, Black wife 1.44
    5 Hispanic husband, White wife 1.19
    6 Hispanic, White 1.13
    7 Other mixed race couples 1.07
    8 White husband, Hispanic wife 1.06
    9 White, White 1.00
    10 Hispanic, Hispanic 0.98
    11 Asian husband, White wife 0.79
    12 Asian, White 0.77
    13 White husband, Asian wife 0.77
    14 Asian, Asian 0.24

    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Marital_stability)

    Replies: @Guest007, @Jim Christian

    1.4-9 divorced. Against what number? Out of 2 or 3 or 10 marriages? Where’d you get all this anyway? Not arguing the depravity of black men, just wondering at your numbers.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jim Christian


    1.4-9 divorced. Against what number? Out of 2 or 3 or 10 marriages? Where’d you get all this anyway?
     
    The link below the numbers has the source.

    These are relative divorce rates, relative, that is, to white-white couples.

    So, you see in no. 9 that white-white couples have the divorce rate of 1.00 (the yardstick, if you will). In contrast, black-black couples have the divorce rate of 1.63, that is, 63% greater than white-white couples. In contrast, Asian-Asian couples have the divorce rate of 0.24, slightly under a quarter that of white-white couples. As you can see all marriages with at least one black partner are nos. 1-4 in divorce rates. Meanwhile, all marriages with at least one Asian partners have the four lowest rates of divorce. Hispanic-Hispanic couples are slightly lower than the white-white rate, but other marriages with one Hispanic partner is all higher than that of the white-white rate.

    To simplify, if you want a higher chance of divorce, you marry a black person (regardless of your own race) while, if you want a lower chance of divorce, you marry an Asian (again, regardless of your own race).
  174. @theMann
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    The general formula for female , uhm, excess is:

    One partner per year - age at loss of virginity.

    So if a woman is thirty, and gave it up sweet at 16, fifteen partners is a bit much.


    Oh, and btw, most women's first time is almost never sweet. For them, it is not almost 19 seconds of the best they will ever have, like it is for us.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    My impression is that women often have a lot more fun with dildos than with casual one-night-stands. Not all the time, of course, but you really don’t have a way of knowing how good someone is in bed until they are in bed with you, and this can be pretty divorced from how physically attractive or charismatic or confident they are. (You’d be *really* surprised at how many scrawny geeky guys and fatter ladies turn out to be much better at sex, even if they don’t have any experience-or not, when you consider they’ll put a lot more effort into making their partner feel good.) Especially if you are both drunk and physically clumsy.

    For men, it’s not really an issue, because even bad sex is fun for us. (Which is, of course, one of the many reasons why getting laid at all takes a lot more for a guy.) For a woman, a bad lover can be downright painful.

  175. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    my only suggestion would be: create white only dating apps/sites.

    Not possible in the Woke States of America (WSA).

    Matchmaking site Christian Mingle was heterosexual only, for Christian-religion reasons, until they got sued in 2016 for discrimination. They lost and then had to create gay / lesbian zones. The other option was to go out of business.

    I suppose one could try hosting such a site offshore, but GlobalHomo would still work hard to blacklist it then shut it down.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Go country dancing. Duh. Sheesh, for a bunch of high IQs, y’all are right dumb at times.

    • Agree: theMann
  176. Good luck ….

    ……………………

  177. @kaganovitch
    @Gary in Gramercy

    I can say what it’s about: Jewish guys want reasonably intelligent women who don’t hector, lecture, nag or otherwise remind them of their mothers.

    Gotta say, that Jed Rubinfeld fellow really lucked out.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    In general, yes, Jed Rubenfeld has been fortunate in his choice of Amy Chua as his wife. But as politically astute as she is, she couldn’t save her husband from being suspended from the faculty of Yale Law School for two years (until fall 2022) over allegations of sexual harassment — which allegations he steadfastly denies.

    Rubenfeld and Chua have been Yale Law’s power couple for quite a while. Long enough to accumulate envy — and enemies. I suspect there’s much more going on here than meets the eye: Chua was well known for counseling female law students on how to prepare for job interviews, especially for judicial clerkships, even to the point of suggesting what the students should wear. Inevitably she was criticized for supposedly having hinted that for interviews with certain male judges, female law students were well advised to dress as attractively as possible. Stories about Rubenfeld suggest an academic long accustomed to droit du seigneur.

    Cue JohnnyWalker123 in 3, 2, 1…

  178. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Hmm. It’s not the cleanest option, but yes, one way to prevent pregnancy is to only put it in her smörgåsbord.

     

    In her buttered goose table?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    Again with the Last Tango in Paris references?

    • Replies: @iDeplorable
    @Gary in Gramercy


    Again with
     
    Reg is a geriatric with nothing else to do all day but spam iSteve. He's a tiresome fellow but means no harm.

    Replies: @Dissident

  179. Interracial dating has changed since the turn of the century, mainly because of more whites discovering ‘race realism’ online.

    Before RR, it was possible to be a goodwhite who ‘doesn’t see color’, or imagines it to be insignificant. A white could tell themselves that the world is changing, and race doesn’t matter. Besides, the only people who discriminate by race are backwards racists(!).

    Now, the arguments about race differences, race fetishizing, self-hating, biological mismatching, demographic declines and woke politics are in your face. Non-white people have always had strong opinions about who they were and what interracial dating meant for them – goodwhites, typically living in a mainstream bubble, self-censored those thoughts or romanticized them away as ‘trend-setting’.

    A white, who (in 2021), still self-censors race realism from their thoughts is battling the tide. They must, as a condition of dating someone from another race, fortify their mind with 20th century ideological arguments, in opposition to the cool reasoning and science of 21st century race realism.

  180. @AnotherDad
    @indocon


    Completely disagree with you, that half white/half Asian kid would most likely be a Christian growing up, vs definitely a Hindu with a Hindu mom. As has been talked about here quite a bit, Hindu Americans will pose the biggest risk to rump white Americans in future.
     
    Indocon, i accept your personal experience, but i know lots of Indians from grad-school and work.

    There's no doubt that Indians are the "tightest" Asian group in terms of mating in-group. I think i have a link some Asian guy posted here years ago, in my Demographics favorites folder.
    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.XnMmqK4w.Z3xWeQVK.dpbs

    (There's probably better/more recent data out there. If someone has a good link from Pew or someone else, great. I haven't looked around.)

    Also agree with you the Indians and their children are much less likely to be Christians than most other Asian groups. (I've made friends with a young Indian Christian couple that moved into our neighborhood, last year--really nice folks--but i grant they are not the norm.)

    But in my experience Hinduism is basically a non-starter even for 2nd generation Indians. The plain fact is their parents didn't come her to be great Hindus. No they came here because white Americans built a better, richer, less corrupt nation than India. I.e. they came to get ahead, make money and escape India. If they wanted to be great Hindus they would have stayed in India. Once here they may cling to Hinduism--the known and comfortable--but they made their choice. And made it for their kids--stripping them of full-connection to India and its culture.

    Hinduism just doesn't have any staying power in the US. It's basically like medieval Christianity in Europe. It is woven into the social fabric, supporting the feudal society. (Hinduism still does that to some extent--India still has pockets of what's essentially feudalism in North India.)

    Indian-Americans can try and morph Hinduism into something like Judaism--their tribal religion to build separate identity and keep the kids onside wherever they are. But Judaism evolved to be precisely that--a tribal religion that's job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society. Hinduism just isn't that--not yet. It's job is to provide support for Indian society and social structure. Here in America it's a floppy fish out of water.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer, @TimothyTimtim324

    This comports exactly with my experience. I have known many Indians, all non-religious (agnostic and only Hindu as a weakly held “family tradition” or whatever) and very Americanized (love black music for example). They all tend to group together, probably more so than any other race. I’ve seen many same-sex friendships between Indians and whites, but I’ve heard of hardly any cases of whites and Indians dating.

  181. @Twinkie
    One more:

    https://i.redd.it/8m20ypj3bae31.png

    Replies: @ic1000

    Twinkie, I am missing something. What explains that about half of married women over 65 are Separated, while that is the case for less than a quarter of married men over 65?

    If “Separated” includes “Separated by death,” then I guess the arithmetic could make sense, given the widow/widower gap in that cohort. But that’s a strange way to label the graphs.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @ic1000

    If the graph included "widowed" into separated, it'd make a lot more sense: men die younger, after all.

    , @Twinkie
    @ic1000


    Twinkie, I am missing something. What explains that about half of married women over 65 are Separated, while that is the case for less than a quarter of married men over 65?
     
    Don't forget that men are typically married to younger women. If you look that the two cohorts below the over 65 group, women have higher marriage rates than men of equivalent cohorts (though women are still separated at higher rates). There are likely several other statistical artifacts that account for these.

    Replies: @ic1000

  182. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @indocon

    In the Indian diaspora, there are a considerable number of Christians, a much higher percentage than is found on the mainland. They are usually recognizable by their Portuguese surnames. And they have a very high rate of outmarriage. I’d venture to say that in most White-Indian marriages, the Indian is Christian. At least that’s been my personal observation. Hindu Indians are the complete opposite, and are probably the most clannish and least likely to outmarry of all Asian groups. And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese. I’d say Chinese-Americans are less likely to be Christian than Indian-Americans.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @TimothyTimtim324, @Luzzatto

    Dang, I knew an Indian guy like that. Know I understand. Thanks.

  183. @Bardon Kaldian
    Although I generally despise "dating culture" I'd seen when I'd been in the US - why can't you people meet in the usual, normal way? what kind of social life it is, anyway? - my only suggestion would be: create white only dating apps/sites. Only people of white European identity need apply. White gays, if they want, should have their own gay niche.

    Others (Asians, Mestizos, blacks, Muslims, (white) Jews as primary identity ethnicity, Indians, various mixes, ...)- sorry, go fishing among your own kind or any other way.

    Replies: @anon, @Known Fact, @hhsiii

    “You meet a nice clean girl at church, in the liberry.” Coming to America.

    -at a bar
    -fixed up by friends
    -client’s secretary
    -girl down the hall in the office
    -girl from class.
    -at the gym
    -camp

    My favorite personally. I worked ticket booth at a movie theater and dated the girl who worked concessions. Tamara O’Seep. What a name.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @hhsiii


    “You meet a nice clean girl at church, in the liberry.” Coming to America.
     
    All gone thanks to TikTok and OnlyFans.
  184. @Twinkie
    @Hapalong Cassidy


    And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese. I’d say Chinese-Americans are less likely to be Christian than Indian-Americans.
     
    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2013/04/SDT-2013-Asian-Americans-Update-7-03.png

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Only 65% Catholicism for Filipinos? That is interesting. I suppose it is plausible that professional types might include more Protestants, but my impression from Brazil-admittedly not a great comparison, but the best one I’ve got for a legacy Catholic country that has recently seen a Protestant influx-was that evangelical Protestantism tended to appeal mostly to favela dwellers.

    >Wakanda ain’t real, and only American blacks seem not to know that.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @nebulafox

    Evangelical Protestantism in historically Catholic countries is, in my view, an experience of the marginalized. Here in Croatia, Serbs who stayed after their defeat, mostly went over to Baptists, Adventists,... more than to their historical Orthodox Church. Becoming a Catholic would be something like accepting a total defeat; becoming- because they'd been mostly non-religious- Serbian Orthodox again would mean to identify with a loathed enemy. So, to become an Evangelical is a nice & cozy solution.

    , @Twinkie
    @nebulafox


    Only 65% Catholicism for Filipinos?
     
    These are Filipinos in America. In the Philippines, Catholics are over 80% of the population. This phenomenon is not limited to the Filipinos. Koreans in South Korea are about 20% Protestant, but are over 60% here.

    This is due to both 1) higher likelihood of Protestants (and Christians in general) emigrating to the United States and 2) the Asians in America converting to Protestantism if previously of another religion.


    my impression from Brazil-admittedly not a great comparison
     
    Brazil is much more nominally Catholic than the Philippines. Filipinos are much more orthodox in their Catholicism than Brazilians, but in their respective home countries and with their diaspora in the West.
  185. @ic1000
    @Twinkie

    Twinkie, I am missing something. What explains that about half of married women over 65 are Separated, while that is the case for less than a quarter of married men over 65?

    If "Separated" includes "Separated by death," then I guess the arithmetic could make sense, given the widow/widower gap in that cohort. But that's a strange way to label the graphs.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    If the graph included “widowed” into separated, it’d make a lot more sense: men die younger, after all.

  186. @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer



    But Judaism evolved to be precisely that–a tribal religion that’s job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society.
     
    How many Jews do you actually know?
     
    Yawn.

    To answer your question--several. I went to grad school in physics.

    Seriously, there are some people simply unable to get over their particular deal, and do any analysis. A good many Jews--and Christians for that matter--simply have some sort of emotional freakout over even the most rudimentary analysis of Judaism.

    Straightforward stuff:
    -- Judaism is not a universal religion but a tribal religion. (That's how most religions start.)
    -- One purpose of religion is the rule book. (This is how our group does stuff.)
    -- Another is social solidarity--we are X, X binds us together.
    -- Christianity--whatever Jesus meant to do--quickly under St. Paul became a universal religion.
    -- Christianity eventually converted most all of the tribes of Europe, effectively ending the indigenous tribal religions. Worked to de-tribalize social and unite everyone under Christianity. --- So eventually Christianity just was--i.e. it was just what everyone was, the normative basis for society and was twerked around to provide normative support the existing feudal order.
    -- Jews pushing north into Europe, were then a lone tribe with their own tribal religion in a society where society was structured around a universal and detribalizing religion that basically says you should be Christian.
    -- Some Jews defected--Christianized and became normal Europeans.
    -- Facing this sort of universal/anti-tribal/agglomerative environment, a tribe seeking to keep itself separate must ramp-up its "separateness", "specialness", increase the feeling of being distinct, increase the hostility to outsiders, increase penalties for defection.
    -- Judaism--unsurprisingly--did precisely this. I'm know little about it (and not particularly interested in Judaism or anyone else's tribal religion). Most practices are merely arcane, --promoting the standard "this is our tribe" distinction--weird attire, practices. But some practices/commands are obviously designed precisely to keep Jews separate from Gentiles--anti-association, anti-integration--and then there's a whole body of anti-Christian ideology/commands.
    -- It worked. Overall Jews had really quite low rates of defection to normies, almost all stayed onside in their community ... up until the modern period, when many Jews with more modern perspectives looked around and went "lame". (Either initiated reformist movements inside Judaism, or simply bailed out to mainstream society.)

    Any serious argument with any of that?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @J.Ross

    Yawn? Then you go on to type a near tome, although I realize that you probably have most of it insta-written.

    I have arguments with all of it but unlike you, I have limited time to argue with idiots on the internet.

    I will say this –

    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.

    Moses Mendelsohn, of whom Steve Sailer has written, had 10 or 11 kids. Not one of his grandchildren was Jewish. As a physicist, you should know that the overwhelming majority of the great Jewish physicists didn’t have Jewish grandchildren. 50% of the Jews who bother to get married (US Jews have a low marriage participation rate) marry non-Jews.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.
     
    Amazing. Paperback--you really shouldn't call people "idiot" when that's your genius response.

    How many Picts do you know? How many Gauls? How many Goths and Visigoths? How many Angles? How many people practicing Celtic or Norse Paganism?

    Christianity is one of the most highly welcoming and assimilative religions in human history. It absolutely loves to suck people up and turn them into Christians. Has all over the world.

    And that's precisely what it did in Europe. The descendants of the aforementioned people are all still around. It's just they're all mixed with the people of all the other ancient tribes in their area and their old tribal religions extinguished.

    Jews--on the whole, there were defectors who are my ancestors--wanted to stay separate and chose not to Christianize and assimilate. Jews were successful in staying separate for 1000+ years (Northern Europe). 2000 if you count back to diaspora after revolts against Rome.

    Basically no other tribes avoided assimilation. The only comparable--that i know of--is the late arriving Gypsies who also created a intense ingroup/outgroup mentality that kept them separate. In Europe, if you didn't work hard to avoid assimilation ... you ended up Christianized and part of the general population.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Paperback Writer

    A few atypical examples from the modern times don't prove anything. Jews are a historical ethnic religious-cultural group, similar to Sikhs or Zoroastrians who would also have remained separate had they had a possibility to dwell in Europe for centuries.

    What is interesting is that Jews in the truly modern period of, say, 50-70 years, after WWII, had managed, mostly, to retain their individuality in the West. Muslims & other Arabs do, but they are a newly arrived bunch & not highly acculturated, which then is a rather different story.

    , @Anon
    @Paperback Writer


    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.
     
    Which is why they work to create unwelcoming environments.

    Replies: @Dissident

  187. @Forbes
    @Mike_from_SGV

    I've said for about a decade that acceptance, affirmation, and championing of gays (LBGTQWERTY) will not be sufficient. In order to demonstrate your bona fides, you'll need to participate in homosexuality. It's your conduct that matters, not your words. Otherwise, you're just a bigot with discriminatory preferences...

    The idea of no preference filters for dating apps is just one step in that direction.

    Call it the Looney rule.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Ok, I got dibs on top.

  188. @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Broader point: I'd much rather die at 80 in a climbing accident with a bottle of beer in one hand, a good math or history book in the other, and belly full of juicy red meat and chili peppers than live to be 100 but having spent those remaining two decades in a forced return to childhood or worse. I've been forced to watch family members multiple times succumb to horrible deaths that sucked the joy of life from them. Put me off the idea of safety. We're all gonna end up dead, way more important to live well.

    In flagrante delicto with an eligible widow or spinster is just as good.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @JMcG

    One good possible outcone of the insane criminal lockdown is people forced to recognize the stupidity of safetyism.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @J.Ross


    people forced to recognize the stupidity of safetyism.
     
    Any day now...any day now...just wait...
  189. @Intensifier
    @Altai

    I think behind some of that is the fact that Asian women - particularly the prettier ones - are very well aware of how widespread the "yellow fever" fetish for Asians is among white Western men.

    In my professional life I interact with many Korean/Malaysian/Singaporean women and its purely anecdotal of course but I get the impression that they are very self-conscious about being pursued because they are NOT white westerners and thus seen, rightly or wrongly, as less likely to be ball-breaking bitches....a pre-conception incidentally that in my experience is false. Women are women. High maintenance wherever you find them.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Women are women. High maintenance wherever you find them.

    As the old saw goes, can’t live with ’em, can’t live without ’em

    • Replies: @Rex Little
    @Dissident

    can’t live with ’em, can’t live without ’empass the beer nuts

    Fixed it for you.

    Replies: @Rex Little

  190. anon[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Nobody is forced to use dating sites. If people aren't being shown the skin colors they want, they'll use another dating site. If all the dating sites are corrupted, the people looking for dates will move to more unofficial sites, and set up a Craigslist-type dating site.

    Replies: @anon

    Nobody is forced to use dating sites.

    That is soooo out of date, so 20th century. In the Current Year every app and site must cater to all possible genderings in all 57 states. Or else hatefulness is on the march! Because Diversity and Inclusivity!

    If all the dating sites are corrupted, the people looking for dates will move to more unofficial sites,

    Sure, and get funding via Patreon… lol.

  191. @Anon
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    A woman with a large number of sex partners very likely has a psychological problem creating deep emotional attachments to other people that result in long-term bonds. That, more than anything else, is going to be the cause of a later divorce.

    I have an aunt who bragged that she must have dated a hundred guys in high school and college. This sounded crazy, so I asked my mother, who only confirmed it was true.

    What I wanted to know was, how do you break up with a hundred guys? The emotional wear and tear of a hundred breakups must be staggering. Anyway, my aunt did end up marrying and getting divorced. She dated several men after the divorce, but didn't get married again.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    A woman with a large number of sex partners very likely has a psychological problem creating deep emotional attachments to other people that result in long-term bonds.

    tl;dr

    “Alpha Widow”.

  192. @Known Fact
    @Buzz Mohawk

    And her front can stall in my area anytime!

    Another example of Spanish-American TV's carefree vibe is a World Cup soccer game on Telemundo and ESPN at the same time. The Brits and Yanks on the US broadcast spew up a giant gaseous cloud of "analysis," accent on the anal, while the Latin guys are just rapid-fire babbling something about the pelota until they can finally go "GOOOOOAAAALLLLLL!!"

    Replies: @martin_2

    Latin American leagues countries score fewer goals per game than Northern European leagues. Argentina is the land of the nil nil.

  193. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    Yawn? Then you go on to type a near tome, although I realize that you probably have most of it insta-written.

    I have arguments with all of it but unlike you, I have limited time to argue with idiots on the internet.

    I will say this -

    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.

    Moses Mendelsohn, of whom Steve Sailer has written, had 10 or 11 kids. Not one of his grandchildren was Jewish. As a physicist, you should know that the overwhelming majority of the great Jewish physicists didn't have Jewish grandchildren. 50% of the Jews who bother to get married (US Jews have a low marriage participation rate) marry non-Jews.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @Anon

    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.

    Amazing. Paperback–you really shouldn’t call people “idiot” when that’s your genius response.

    How many Picts do you know? How many Gauls? How many Goths and Visigoths? How many Angles? How many people practicing Celtic or Norse Paganism?

    Christianity is one of the most highly welcoming and assimilative religions in human history. It absolutely loves to suck people up and turn them into Christians. Has all over the world.

    And that’s precisely what it did in Europe. The descendants of the aforementioned people are all still around. It’s just they’re all mixed with the people of all the other ancient tribes in their area and their old tribal religions extinguished.

    Jews–on the whole, there were defectors who are my ancestors–wanted to stay separate and chose not to Christianize and assimilate. Jews were successful in staying separate for 1000+ years (Northern Europe). 2000 if you count back to diaspora after revolts against Rome.

    Basically no other tribes avoided assimilation. The only comparable–that i know of–is the late arriving Gypsies who also created a intense ingroup/outgroup mentality that kept them separate. In Europe, if you didn’t work hard to avoid assimilation … you ended up Christianized and part of the general population.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad


    Basically no other tribes avoided assimilation.

     

    Total bullshit. I don't engage with illiterates.
  194. @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer



    But Judaism evolved to be precisely that–a tribal religion that’s job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society.
     
    How many Jews do you actually know?
     
    Yawn.

    To answer your question--several. I went to grad school in physics.

    Seriously, there are some people simply unable to get over their particular deal, and do any analysis. A good many Jews--and Christians for that matter--simply have some sort of emotional freakout over even the most rudimentary analysis of Judaism.

    Straightforward stuff:
    -- Judaism is not a universal religion but a tribal religion. (That's how most religions start.)
    -- One purpose of religion is the rule book. (This is how our group does stuff.)
    -- Another is social solidarity--we are X, X binds us together.
    -- Christianity--whatever Jesus meant to do--quickly under St. Paul became a universal religion.
    -- Christianity eventually converted most all of the tribes of Europe, effectively ending the indigenous tribal religions. Worked to de-tribalize social and unite everyone under Christianity. --- So eventually Christianity just was--i.e. it was just what everyone was, the normative basis for society and was twerked around to provide normative support the existing feudal order.
    -- Jews pushing north into Europe, were then a lone tribe with their own tribal religion in a society where society was structured around a universal and detribalizing religion that basically says you should be Christian.
    -- Some Jews defected--Christianized and became normal Europeans.
    -- Facing this sort of universal/anti-tribal/agglomerative environment, a tribe seeking to keep itself separate must ramp-up its "separateness", "specialness", increase the feeling of being distinct, increase the hostility to outsiders, increase penalties for defection.
    -- Judaism--unsurprisingly--did precisely this. I'm know little about it (and not particularly interested in Judaism or anyone else's tribal religion). Most practices are merely arcane, --promoting the standard "this is our tribe" distinction--weird attire, practices. But some practices/commands are obviously designed precisely to keep Jews separate from Gentiles--anti-association, anti-integration--and then there's a whole body of anti-Christian ideology/commands.
    -- It worked. Overall Jews had really quite low rates of defection to normies, almost all stayed onside in their community ... up until the modern period, when many Jews with more modern perspectives looked around and went "lame". (Either initiated reformist movements inside Judaism, or simply bailed out to mainstream society.)

    Any serious argument with any of that?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @J.Ross

    For non-Jews or Jews who don’t have a panic attack when someone contradicts the preferred Jewish spin on their non-assimilation …

    There’s an interesting comparison in behavior with the Mormons.

    For a standard issue US white people, the Mormons have a fairly strong ingroup identity. See themselves as distinctly separate from the larger “gentile” population.

    I find what the Mormons actually do pretty impressive. They’ve been able to maintain a very patriarchal, family centric program in the midst of modernity. And a strong mutual support network so that the families–if people behave properly–will always have a job and be able to make it. It’s great stuff. But to maintain their esprit de corps and not just fade into the generic protestant population, they have to have the arcane beliefs and practices that set themselves apart. And they do. I’m not really religious, but if i was, i’d be interested in being a Mormon … except the whole theology is nuts. The nuttiness keeps ’em separate and tight.

    But because the Mormons are a universal religion and actually want converts, unlike the Jews they don’t really have the non-association or the hostility. They actually want to associate with you, smother you with goodness and bring you into the fold.

    It’s interesting to me. A certain level of weirdness/distinctiveness/separation is required for the esprit de corps to keep a groupd with anything good/special tight, suppress defection and keep it from dissolving into the generally society’s mush. But the level of outgroup hostility/separation depends a lot on what you’re trying to achieve. Do you just want to propagate endogamously? Or do you want to bring in recruits?

  195. @JohnPlywood
    @Anon

    Asian women may have had the strongest in-race preference if they declined to respond to black and Hispanic men at higher rates than other women.

    Nevertheless, Asia Grace's article was disingenuous. Online dating largely favors women of color; black women are the odd man out. White women on OKCupid actually performed worse than black women relative to their share of the population; literally no race of men showed a preference for white women. Men swipe left on white, according to the 2014 OkCupid data:

    https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.png

    The same results were obtained from a 2013 compilation of over 2 million interactions on the dating app Are You Interested. It also debunks the notion of a same race preference:

    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png


    The graphic shows what percentage of people responded to a “yes,” based on the gender and ethnicity of both parties (the data are only for opposite-sex pairs of people). Unsurprisingly, most “yes’s” go unanswered, but there are patterns: For example, Asian women responded to white men who “yessed” them 7.8% of the time, more often than they responded to any other race. On the other hand, white men responded to black women 8.5% of the time—less often than for white, Latino, or Asian women. In general, men responded to women about three times as often as women responded to men.

    Unfortunately the data reveal winners and losers. All men except Asians preferred Asian women, while all except black women preferred white men. And both black men and black women got the lowest response rates for their respective genders. Perhaps most surprising is that among men, all racial groups preferred another race over their own. AYI analyzed some 2.4 million heterosexual interactions—meaning every time a user clicked either “yes” or “skip”—to come up with these statistics. Its users skew older than Tinder’s—about two-thirds of AYI users are older than 35, according to a spokesperson.
     

    These stats make clear that the relative advantage or disadvantage of any race's men is not a part the bigger picture. The bigger picture is the disproportionate advantage women of color have in online dating relative to all other participants.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “The bigger picture is the disproportionate advantage women of color have in online dating relative to all other participants.”

    Because they put out faster.

  196. @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.
     
    Amazing. Paperback--you really shouldn't call people "idiot" when that's your genius response.

    How many Picts do you know? How many Gauls? How many Goths and Visigoths? How many Angles? How many people practicing Celtic or Norse Paganism?

    Christianity is one of the most highly welcoming and assimilative religions in human history. It absolutely loves to suck people up and turn them into Christians. Has all over the world.

    And that's precisely what it did in Europe. The descendants of the aforementioned people are all still around. It's just they're all mixed with the people of all the other ancient tribes in their area and their old tribal religions extinguished.

    Jews--on the whole, there were defectors who are my ancestors--wanted to stay separate and chose not to Christianize and assimilate. Jews were successful in staying separate for 1000+ years (Northern Europe). 2000 if you count back to diaspora after revolts against Rome.

    Basically no other tribes avoided assimilation. The only comparable--that i know of--is the late arriving Gypsies who also created a intense ingroup/outgroup mentality that kept them separate. In Europe, if you didn't work hard to avoid assimilation ... you ended up Christianized and part of the general population.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Basically no other tribes avoided assimilation.

    Total bullshit. I don’t engage with illiterates.

    • Troll: William Badwhite
  197. @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer



    But Judaism evolved to be precisely that–a tribal religion that’s job is to create hostility and keep Jews separate from the larger gentile society.
     
    How many Jews do you actually know?
     
    Yawn.

    To answer your question--several. I went to grad school in physics.

    Seriously, there are some people simply unable to get over their particular deal, and do any analysis. A good many Jews--and Christians for that matter--simply have some sort of emotional freakout over even the most rudimentary analysis of Judaism.

    Straightforward stuff:
    -- Judaism is not a universal religion but a tribal religion. (That's how most religions start.)
    -- One purpose of religion is the rule book. (This is how our group does stuff.)
    -- Another is social solidarity--we are X, X binds us together.
    -- Christianity--whatever Jesus meant to do--quickly under St. Paul became a universal religion.
    -- Christianity eventually converted most all of the tribes of Europe, effectively ending the indigenous tribal religions. Worked to de-tribalize social and unite everyone under Christianity. --- So eventually Christianity just was--i.e. it was just what everyone was, the normative basis for society and was twerked around to provide normative support the existing feudal order.
    -- Jews pushing north into Europe, were then a lone tribe with their own tribal religion in a society where society was structured around a universal and detribalizing religion that basically says you should be Christian.
    -- Some Jews defected--Christianized and became normal Europeans.
    -- Facing this sort of universal/anti-tribal/agglomerative environment, a tribe seeking to keep itself separate must ramp-up its "separateness", "specialness", increase the feeling of being distinct, increase the hostility to outsiders, increase penalties for defection.
    -- Judaism--unsurprisingly--did precisely this. I'm know little about it (and not particularly interested in Judaism or anyone else's tribal religion). Most practices are merely arcane, --promoting the standard "this is our tribe" distinction--weird attire, practices. But some practices/commands are obviously designed precisely to keep Jews separate from Gentiles--anti-association, anti-integration--and then there's a whole body of anti-Christian ideology/commands.
    -- It worked. Overall Jews had really quite low rates of defection to normies, almost all stayed onside in their community ... up until the modern period, when many Jews with more modern perspectives looked around and went "lame". (Either initiated reformist movements inside Judaism, or simply bailed out to mainstream society.)

    Any serious argument with any of that?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @AnotherDad, @J.Ross

    Agree (reminder I had a short comment making a similar point but which evidently was poorly phrased because it was eaten). The Hebrew word for “sacred” is the same as its word for “separate.”

  198. CCG says:
    @RSDB
    @nebulafox

    Not necessarily, they could be, for instance, Bombay Catholics from Bandra like Amitabh Bachchan's character in this movie:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlxfIIgKZho

    (Christians in Indian film used always to be portrayed as fun-loving drunkards; I don't know if that's still true.)

    Replies: @CCG

    The majority of Catholics living in Bombay last century were Goans. The British encouraged rural Catholic Goans to migrate to Bombay from the 1800s and work for the British residents as cooks (a Catholic cook had no taboos about beef or pork), bakers (Catholic Goan bakers were experienced in making Portuguese bread and other baked goods like cakes, cookies, pies), musicians (Catholic Goans learnt Western instrumental and choral music in the parochial schools), nannies (e.g. Rudyard Kipling’s nanny was a Catholic Goan woman so that he would be raised with European influences), etc.

    There was already a small community (called “Norteiros” in Portuguese) of native Catholics with Portuguese names (from the century that the Portuguese held Bombay, before João IV of Portugal gifted it to King Charles II of England as part of Princess Caterina’s dowry). But their numbers were not sufficient to meet the labour demand by the British. The influx of Catholic Goans, called “Goan Portuguese” by the British, made the “Bombay Portuguese” rename themselves with a name emphasizing their status as British subjects, to distinguish them from the Goans (Portuguese subjects). The Norteiros called themselves “East Indians” in honour of the East India Company which ruled them until recently on behalf of the UK.

    BTW, those repeated nasty portrayals in Bollywood (unemployed alcoholics like ‘Anthony Gonsalves’, low-IQ prostitutes like ‘Bobby’, etc.) is the reason why the overwhelming majority of Catholic Goans don’t watch Bollywood movies and prefer Hollywood movies. You also won’t find many Catholic Goans acting in Bollywood, again for the same reason. Catholic Goan involvement in Bollywood is usually restricted to men creating the movie soundtrack.

  199. @TWS
    @Buzz Mohawk

    We used to flirt and pick up each other at work. Super common American pastime. I met my first serious girlfriend at work when I was in high school. Now, it's a wasteland of stupid boring interactions.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Sick 'n Tired

    Now it’s grounds for firing for you, and a hefty settlement sum for the other party, depending on which side of the gender spectrum you’re on.

    A friend of mine works for a very high end corporation, and I occasionally get to sit in on some of the online woke diversity training/HR brainwashing videos they are forced to participate in (which all of a sudden increased around June 2020). They are beyond ridiculous compared to what I am used to working in the construction trades for 30+ years, and absolutely scary in the sense Fortune 100 companies are pushing this crap narrative on their employees.

    It is the absolute destruction of simple human interaction, flirting, talking trash, and telling jokes. Everyone who wants to make it any where in any of these companies needs to not only disavow these simple human traits, but report anyone who displays them. It is group/wrong think on overload.

  200. Person seeks Person. Must be a person of any kind. Gender, Age, Race, (dis)Ability not important. Do you have AIDS? Not a problem. Just out of prison? Totally fine. Do you like Coldplay? Me too! No games or codependent losers like my ex. Non-persons don’t bother.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  201. A racial preference is unacceptable. Not a prejudice mind you, just a preference. In other words you cannot prefer your own kind, flock with birds of your own feather.

    The madness never stops.

  202. I admittedly have myself to blame* for having clicked on the Amazon link, in one of the comments that appears upthread, to a subscription offer to the magazine Penthouse Variations. Since I did so, however…

    From the cover of the March 2008 edition pictured:

    Lesbian Sex-School

    Mile-High Backdoor Adventure

    Bondage Birthday Surprise

    Horny Wife Spreads The Love

    Tranny Makeover

    If those are the variations, I think I’ll stick with the vanilla.

    Or even the chocolate. By chocolate, mind you, I most certainly do not mean the vile, inherently brutal, gruesome, objectively unwholesome act of buggery {cringe}. But simply blacks. Better a less aesthetically-blessed black with the decency and good character to reject depravity, than a ravishing but degenerate Nordic, European, Asian, Levantine or Latin.

    (And to think that some people would brand me as a reprobate simply for

    [MORE]
    finding erotic appeal in adolescent boys…

    More precisely, that is part of a far broader, more complex fascination with such creatures that I have. And, critically, even the erotic aspect is quite different– in ways that are unequivocally redeeming— than that which most people would assume.)

    *Though the poster might perhaps have included a NSFW or Graphic Content warning, as I try to take care to do when I reference Bill Weintraub’s rather luridly homoerotic yet vehemently anti-buggery Man2Man Alliance site.

  203. @Anon
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    A woman with a large number of sex partners very likely has a psychological problem creating deep emotional attachments to other people that result in long-term bonds. That, more than anything else, is going to be the cause of a later divorce.

    I have an aunt who bragged that she must have dated a hundred guys in high school and college. This sounded crazy, so I asked my mother, who only confirmed it was true.

    What I wanted to know was, how do you break up with a hundred guys? The emotional wear and tear of a hundred breakups must be staggering. Anyway, my aunt did end up marrying and getting divorced. She dated several men after the divorce, but didn't get married again.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    I have an aunt who bragged that she must have dated a hundred guys in high school and college. This sounded crazy, so I asked my mother, who only confirmed it was true.

    What I wanted to know was, how do you break up with a hundred guys?

    She dated them, she didn’t move in with them. You’ve never heard of “playing the field”?

    There was no “breaking up”. It didn’t matter whom you dated and when. Archie went to the record hop with Veronica on Saturday, and to the Chock’lit Shoppe with Betty on Sunday afternoon. They kept their pants on in those days. At least until “going steady”.

    Laugh if you must, but chastity had its practical advantages. It’s when you “hook up” on first dates when hearts get broken.

  204. Like everything else going on in America these days, the minoritarianism here is not just tedious and unpleasant but just stupid.

    The nature of being some sort–any sort–of minority is … you’re not the majority.

    I was raised Catholic. If having a Catholic girl was important to me and i went on a dating site–bam 3/4 of the girls are gone. You’re a black girl and want a black guy–bam, 86% gone. A Jew who wants a fellow Jew–bam 98% gone. …

    So what? Deal. If you’re actually upset by ethnic rejection (pathetic) it’s easy roll your own deal–J-date, Black-date, Catholic-date, Homo-date … Mormon-date, Lutheran-Missouri-Synod-date, etc. etc.

    And if you really don’t like being a minority, don’t live somewhere you are a minority.

    If i was a young man moving to China, i wouldn’t be shocked, nor offended, that a bunch of Chinese girls don’t want to date me … i ain’t Chinese!

  205. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    Yawn? Then you go on to type a near tome, although I realize that you probably have most of it insta-written.

    I have arguments with all of it but unlike you, I have limited time to argue with idiots on the internet.

    I will say this -

    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.

    Moses Mendelsohn, of whom Steve Sailer has written, had 10 or 11 kids. Not one of his grandchildren was Jewish. As a physicist, you should know that the overwhelming majority of the great Jewish physicists didn't have Jewish grandchildren. 50% of the Jews who bother to get married (US Jews have a low marriage participation rate) marry non-Jews.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @Anon

    A few atypical examples from the modern times don’t prove anything. Jews are a historical ethnic religious-cultural group, similar to Sikhs or Zoroastrians who would also have remained separate had they had a possibility to dwell in Europe for centuries.

    What is interesting is that Jews in the truly modern period of, say, 50-70 years, after WWII, had managed, mostly, to retain their individuality in the West. Muslims & other Arabs do, but they are a newly arrived bunch & not highly acculturated, which then is a rather different story.

  206. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anonymous

    It's not the same because of the anatomy. No cultural relativism can change this.

    A key that can open many locks is called a master key, but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Stealing that!

    • Replies: @anon
    @JMcG

    It's not exactly new, y'know.

    Replies: @JMcG

  207. @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Broader point: I'd much rather die at 80 in a climbing accident with a bottle of beer in one hand, a good math or history book in the other, and belly full of juicy red meat and chili peppers than live to be 100 but having spent those remaining two decades in a forced return to childhood or worse. I've been forced to watch family members multiple times succumb to horrible deaths that sucked the joy of life from them. Put me off the idea of safety. We're all gonna end up dead, way more important to live well.

    In flagrante delicto with an eligible widow or spinster is just as good.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @JMcG

    That’s the climber’s wish- If I fall, let me be up high. There’s also dying in a giant pile of hot brass.
    I just watched a little documentary on Don Whillans, the great British climber from a few decades ago. Drank pints, smoked cigarettes, climbed hard rock, and died in his sleep at a good-looking 52.

  208. @kaganovitch
    @Mike_from_SGV

    At least 13% of our purchases will need to be from blacK-owned businesses, or from corporations with at least 13% blaCk board members or employees, or else we pay an income syntax.

    All through "Black History Month", Amazon was running a banner on top of your individual page 'buy from a black-owned business'. I myself always clicked on it because I figured it's really a fellow Jew who is paying some Black guy a few cents to nominally own the business.

    Replies: @Dissident

    All through “Black History Month”, Amazon was running a banner on top of your individual page ‘buy from a black-owned business’. I myself always clicked on it because I figured it’s really a fellow Jew who is paying some Black guy a few cents to nominally own the business.

    I must say that out of more than a few pick-up and delivery laundry services I have tried over the years, the one that, by far, I have had the best experience with is owned and operated by a black woman.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Dissident

    There are always exceptions.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Dissident

    I must say that out of more than a few pick-up and delivery laundry services I have tried over the years, the one, by far, I have had the best experience with is owned and operated by a black woman.

    American or Caribbean?

  209. @JMcG
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Stealing that!

    Replies: @anon

    It’s not exactly new, y’know.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @anon

    Nor am I. New to me though.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  210. @Buzz Mohawk
    @El Dato

    Now that you mention it, office environments seem almost designed to encourage this kind of thing. A man looks his best in a good suit, and the women, OMG, they look great in what they wear to work.
    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/young-business-man-beautiful-business-woman-sitting-offic-men-women-office-chairs-isolated-white-background-48886024.jpg
    Traditional office clothing seems designed to accentuate the sexes, to a very positive effect!

    I'm saying go with it and find out what you like, and I'm not sure the "fucking around" is "at the root of many societal ills." For all we know, society would be even worse without the fucking around -- so I say fuck around! What is life for?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Abe, @TWS, @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    and I’m not sure the “fucking around” is “at the root of many societal ills.”

    I agree.

    It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that because one doesn’t like something or disapproves of something that it must therefore be bad for society. And should therefore be banned. This is a trap that both liberals and conservatives fall into regularly.

    Personally I think that social media, spending too much time online and using online dating are probably all responsible for much greater societal ills than fucking around.

  211. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @raga10
    @Jack D


    AirBnB already got rid of pictures so that property owners could not racistly see the race of people they were letting into their homes. It’s only a matter of time before the dating sites do the same.
     
    I suppose it's possible but I think chances of them going this far are very, very small. It is possible to argue that you don't need to know the race of people you will never meet, but convincing people they don't need to know what their potential date looks like would be much harder sell. In the end dating sites are business: they are in it for the profit not ideology and they just need to keep up the appearance. Once they do, it will be back to business as usual.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I suppose it’s possible but I think chances of them going this far are very, very small. It is possible to argue that you don’t need to know the race of people you will never meet, but convincing people they don’t need to know what their potential date looks like would be much harder sell.

    It is a bigger risk and commitment to have a stranger overnight in your house that it is to meet them for coffee.

  212. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    Yawn? Then you go on to type a near tome, although I realize that you probably have most of it insta-written.

    I have arguments with all of it but unlike you, I have limited time to argue with idiots on the internet.

    I will say this -

    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.

    Moses Mendelsohn, of whom Steve Sailer has written, had 10 or 11 kids. Not one of his grandchildren was Jewish. As a physicist, you should know that the overwhelming majority of the great Jewish physicists didn't have Jewish grandchildren. 50% of the Jews who bother to get married (US Jews have a low marriage participation rate) marry non-Jews.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @Anon

    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.

    Which is why they work to create unwelcoming environments.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Anon


    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.

    Which is why they work to create unwelcoming environments.
     

     
    Jews intentionally work to make the environment in which they dwell unwelcoming to them? Is that what you are asserting?

    I've seen the claim made that Jews in the West promote the immigration of populations far more likely to be hostile to them than the native, majority-population whites, in order to counter the greater threat of intermarriage that is posed by the latter, far more friendly populations. I countered by pointing-out that the Jews who are the most averse, and often the only ones at all averse to intermarriage and assimilation are also those who are the least likely to promote immigration: the Orthodox.
  213. @anon
    @JMcG

    It's not exactly new, y'know.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Nor am I. New to me though.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @JMcG

    What is funny is that analogy has obviously hit the nerve- because it is true.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaLtUfjUnPY

    So, various liberals, SJWs etc. are desperately trying to dismantle it- with zero success:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/dqina/how_do_you_even_argue_against_that_stupid_master/

    http://dbzer0.com/blog/a-key-that-can-open-many-locks-is-called-a-master-key-but-a-lock-that-can-be-opened-by-many-keys-is-a-shitty-lock/

    https://www.quora.com/A-key-that-opens-many-locks-is-a-good-key-a-lock-that-opens-for-any-key-is-a-bad-lock-How-can-this-statement-be-applied-to-peoples-love-lives

    Basically, it is: why female virginity is highly valued in virtually all traditional cultures, while male virginity is of no importance?

    Replies: @Dissident

  214. @AndrewR
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    What do you mean by "you people?"

    .....lmao

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist

    Tis my pejorative short-hand for the commentariat of this blog. It is meant to convey my annoyance with the constant, inescapable whining that pervades the comment sections. Especially on anything having to do with race and ideology.

    Also, I am Nigerian and most of you are not. Hence, ‘you people’ not ‘my people’.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Also, I am Nigerian and most of you are not.

    I am a Prince and you are not. Perhaps we should talk...

  215. @Dissident
    @kaganovitch


    All through “Black History Month”, Amazon was running a banner on top of your individual page ‘buy from a black-owned business’. I myself always clicked on it because I figured it’s really a fellow Jew who is paying some Black guy a few cents to nominally own the business.
     
    I must say that out of more than a few pick-up and delivery laundry services I have tried over the years, the one that, by far, I have had the best experience with is owned and operated by a black woman.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @kaganovitch

    There are always exceptions.

  216. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Only 65% Catholicism for Filipinos? That is interesting. I suppose it is plausible that professional types might include more Protestants, but my impression from Brazil-admittedly not a great comparison, but the best one I've got for a legacy Catholic country that has recently seen a Protestant influx-was that evangelical Protestantism tended to appeal mostly to favela dwellers.

    >Wakanda ain’t real, and only American blacks seem not to know that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fSRTQ4Sc4k

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Twinkie

    Evangelical Protestantism in historically Catholic countries is, in my view, an experience of the marginalized. Here in Croatia, Serbs who stayed after their defeat, mostly went over to Baptists, Adventists,… more than to their historical Orthodox Church. Becoming a Catholic would be something like accepting a total defeat; becoming- because they’d been mostly non-religious- Serbian Orthodox again would mean to identify with a loathed enemy. So, to become an Evangelical is a nice & cozy solution.

  217. @JMcG
    @anon

    Nor am I. New to me though.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    What is funny is that analogy has obviously hit the nerve- because it is true.

    So, various liberals, SJWs etc. are desperately trying to dismantle it- with zero success:

    How do you even argue against that stupid "master key/shitty lock" analogy? from TwoXChromosomes

    http://dbzer0.com/blog/a-key-that-can-open-many-locks-is-called-a-master-key-but-a-lock-that-can-be-opened-by-many-keys-is-a-shitty-lock/

    https://www.quora.com/A-key-that-opens-many-locks-is-a-good-key-a-lock-that-opens-for-any-key-is-a-bad-lock-How-can-this-statement-be-applied-to-peoples-love-lives

    Basically, it is: why female virginity is highly valued in virtually all traditional cultures, while male virginity is of no importance?

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Basically, it is: why female virginity is highly valued in virtually all traditional cultures, while male virginity is of no importance?
     
    When did the phrase male virginity gain currency?

    At any rate, how happy would a chaste female be to marry a male whom she knew had been a wanton fornicator?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon

  218. @Jim Christian
    @Twinkie

    1.4-9 divorced. Against what number? Out of 2 or 3 or 10 marriages? Where'd you get all this anyway? Not arguing the depravity of black men, just wondering at your numbers.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    1.4-9 divorced. Against what number? Out of 2 or 3 or 10 marriages? Where’d you get all this anyway?

    The link below the numbers has the source.

    These are relative divorce rates, relative, that is, to white-white couples.

    So, you see in no. 9 that white-white couples have the divorce rate of 1.00 (the yardstick, if you will). In contrast, black-black couples have the divorce rate of 1.63, that is, 63% greater than white-white couples. In contrast, Asian-Asian couples have the divorce rate of 0.24, slightly under a quarter that of white-white couples. As you can see all marriages with at least one black partner are nos. 1-4 in divorce rates. Meanwhile, all marriages with at least one Asian partners have the four lowest rates of divorce. Hispanic-Hispanic couples are slightly lower than the white-white rate, but other marriages with one Hispanic partner is all higher than that of the white-white rate.

    To simplify, if you want a higher chance of divorce, you marry a black person (regardless of your own race) while, if you want a lower chance of divorce, you marry an Asian (again, regardless of your own race).

    • Thanks: Jim Christian
  219. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Polistra

    I can say what it's about: Jewish guys want reasonably intelligent women who don't hector, lecture, nag or otherwise remind them of their mothers.

    There's more to it, for sure, but that's always been the big issue. Remember the (mostly Jewish) guys in the movie Diner, set in 1960 Baltimore? One of them, Eddie (Steve Guttenberg), is about to get married, but isn't sure he's doing the right thing. To give himself a potential "out," he's making his fiancée, Elyse -- nice Jewish girl's name -- take a football quiz, mostly about his beloved Baltimore Colts. If she doesn't pass, "the wedding's off." Elyse, who has been studying hard for this test, barely makes it over the cut line to pass.

    Eddie takes it in stride, but says, "good thing she's not a ballbreaker. If she were a ballbreaker, no way would I go through with this." Eddie's mother -- naturally, a world-class ballbreaker. (No one would find the original Diner credible today: in the remake, Paul Reiser and Daniel Stern would try to fix up Steve Guttenberg with a nice, slender Chinese girl who's pre-med at Johns Hopkins.)

    Replies: @Not Raul, @kaganovitch, @Dissident

    Remember the (mostly Jewish) guys in the movie Diner, set in 1960 Baltimore?

    While not familiar with the film you referenced, your comment reminded me of the 1984 release Over the Brooklyn Bridge. From IMDB:

    A Jewish man who owns a Brooklyn deli asks his domineering uncle for a loan so he can buy his dream restaurant in Manhattan, but the uncle demands that he give up his Gentile girlfriend even though she’s one of the few sources of stability in his somewhat chaotic life.

    There were a few scenes in particular that, for decades after seeing the film with my parents, we would fondly recall.

    [MORE]

    – At the family gathering inside Sammy’s Romanian restaurant:
    After a heated argument, one of the protagonist’s female relatives asks him, “Aren’t you going to eat?”. He responds that he is not hungry (it was at least strongly implied that this lack-of-appetite was a direct result of the emotionally-charged, decidedly less-than-pleasant confrontational verbal discourse that had just transpired). The relative rejoins, “For $17.50-a-steak, you walk around the corner and work-up an appetite!”.

    For how much longer the officious battleaxe may have persisted, I cannot recall but eventually, the uncle (Sid Caesar) interjects to exclaim, “It’s enough with the meat, already! Enough with the meat!”.

    – On a rainy night, the protagonist arrives at his uncle’s home in order to have a critical, confidential, difficult conversation with him. Concerned about preserving her furniture and decor, the protagonist’s aunt orders/reprimands her nephew (the protagonist) and his uncle concerning the removal of the former’s drenched coat and the like. On account of the same concerns, the aunt also stops the two gentlemen from sitting down in the living room or dining room– despite the fact that the furniture is amply-covered by plastic slipcovers. We then see the two men sitting in the bathroom, where, with rolled eyes, the uncle complains to his nephew, “For {X; some considerable number} of years, she has plastics on top of plastics, and we still have to sit in the bathroom!”

    – At some point, the highly neurotic Jewish woman whom the protagonist’s family have been encouraging him to marry instead of the far more appealing non-Jewish woman, becomes deeply annoyed with him. So much so that when he cordially extends his hand toward her elderly, decidedly short-in-stature father (“Mr. Goodman”, played by Leib Lensky) in the course of greeting or bidding him farewell, the insufferable woman snaps, “Don’t touch my father!”.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Dissident

    I don't have to see that movie. At least with respect to the first two scenes you mentioned, I lived it. (My grandma Esther, z"l, and her plastic slipcovers...)

    And by the way, it's Sammy's Roumanian. It recently closed, but its owner hopes to reopen eventually. I wouldn't bet on it. Today, with women controlling the purse strings in so many situations, a restaurant needs a vegetarian option and a "heart-healthy" menu. At Sammy's? You might as well ask them to serve bacon cheeseburgers with baby back ribs.

    Replies: @Dissident

  220. @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Only 65% Catholicism for Filipinos? That is interesting. I suppose it is plausible that professional types might include more Protestants, but my impression from Brazil-admittedly not a great comparison, but the best one I've got for a legacy Catholic country that has recently seen a Protestant influx-was that evangelical Protestantism tended to appeal mostly to favela dwellers.

    >Wakanda ain’t real, and only American blacks seem not to know that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fSRTQ4Sc4k

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Twinkie

    Only 65% Catholicism for Filipinos?

    These are Filipinos in America. In the Philippines, Catholics are over 80% of the population. This phenomenon is not limited to the Filipinos. Koreans in South Korea are about 20% Protestant, but are over 60% here.

    This is due to both 1) higher likelihood of Protestants (and Christians in general) emigrating to the United States and 2) the Asians in America converting to Protestantism if previously of another religion.

    my impression from Brazil-admittedly not a great comparison

    Brazil is much more nominally Catholic than the Philippines. Filipinos are much more orthodox in their Catholicism than Brazilians, but in their respective home countries and with their diaspora in the West.

  221. @ic1000
    @Twinkie

    Twinkie, I am missing something. What explains that about half of married women over 65 are Separated, while that is the case for less than a quarter of married men over 65?

    If "Separated" includes "Separated by death," then I guess the arithmetic could make sense, given the widow/widower gap in that cohort. But that's a strange way to label the graphs.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    Twinkie, I am missing something. What explains that about half of married women over 65 are Separated, while that is the case for less than a quarter of married men over 65?

    Don’t forget that men are typically married to younger women. If you look that the two cohorts below the over 65 group, women have higher marriage rates than men of equivalent cohorts (though women are still separated at higher rates). There are likely several other statistical artifacts that account for these.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Twinkie

    > Don’t forget that men are typically married to younger women.

    No, that doesn't explain it. For each bar in each of the other age cohorts, a higher percentage of men than women are "Separated," though the differences are modest for the under-65s. It must be some other quirk, maybe in how "Separated" is defined or calculated.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  222. @Bardon Kaldian
    @JMcG

    What is funny is that analogy has obviously hit the nerve- because it is true.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaLtUfjUnPY

    So, various liberals, SJWs etc. are desperately trying to dismantle it- with zero success:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/dqina/how_do_you_even_argue_against_that_stupid_master/

    http://dbzer0.com/blog/a-key-that-can-open-many-locks-is-called-a-master-key-but-a-lock-that-can-be-opened-by-many-keys-is-a-shitty-lock/

    https://www.quora.com/A-key-that-opens-many-locks-is-a-good-key-a-lock-that-opens-for-any-key-is-a-bad-lock-How-can-this-statement-be-applied-to-peoples-love-lives

    Basically, it is: why female virginity is highly valued in virtually all traditional cultures, while male virginity is of no importance?

    Replies: @Dissident

    Basically, it is: why female virginity is highly valued in virtually all traditional cultures, while male virginity is of no importance?

    When did the phrase male virginity gain currency?

    At any rate, how happy would a chaste female be to marry a male whom she knew had been a wanton fornicator?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Dissident

    These are good, but marginal questions (the latter is a bit extreme).

    Because of anatomy, in a normal sex act a female is "possessed", Biblically "known" & the man who screwed her (he screwed her, not the other way around) has some intimate knowledge & power over her.

    So, from the perspective of normally possessive male in a marriage, he, if she is not a virgin anymore, has got partially "damaged goods"; or she is not completely his, his property (the natural way of male instinctive thinking) because someone has already "possessed" her; then, she might compare him & others, which is a potential cause of anxiety.

    This may sound old-fashioned, but I think Tolstoy got it right in his last (and worst) novel "Resurrection", when the central character Nekhlyudov (a substitute for Tolstoy) ponders on his future marriage to a 28 years old woman (not a widow & it was, anyway, never realized) & feels an unease, anxiety & disgust over the fact that she had already slept with a few men. Nothing extreme, and he was actually not in love, but it comes down to: her body & soul should be mine, mine & exclusively mine. Period. Nothing to discuss.

    And then, apart from these issues, there remain those of imagination: would you indifferently drink a glass of water from a glass you know was full of shit some time ago, although it is now perfectly clean? Sure, it is sterilized- but you know there was a shit in it & you cannot erase it from your memory.

    If a male CEO has sex with a female subordinate, he has some power over her, he "knew" her & can snigger about it; if a female CEO has sex with a male subordinate- he has gained some power over her, he "knew" her & he can snigger.

    Of course, since virginity in the traditional sense is almost absent in modern society, the average normal modern male (not a man-whore or any other extreme) is forced to accept "a relatively small number of prior partners" as the standard. As far as I know, this is how the modern normal male mind functions in a modern society (except if intoxicated or anything highly atypical, including fetishes).

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Rosie, @Dissident

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Dissident

    "how happy would a chaste female be to marry a male whom she knew had been a wanton fornicator?"

    It's unlikely that there are many chaste women in the US or UK, and probably none in Hollywood, or we could have asked the wives of George Clooney, Tom Cruise or Sean Connery if they minded.

    Do you think Emma Woodhouse expected Mr Knightly to be a virgin, or that Captain Wentworth saved himself for Anne Elliot during seven years at sea? Colonel Brandon? Mr Darcy?

    Jane Austen was a realist.

    "You've had lots of lovely women,
    Now you turn your gaze to me"


    Joni is flattered, not repelled

    "Weighing the beauty and the imperfection,
    To see if I'm worthy"


    Whoever he was, he made himself the prize.


    What did the Colonel's Lady think ?
    Nobody never knew.
    Somebody asked the Sergeant's Wife,
    An' she told 'em true!
    When you get to a man in the case,
    They're like as a row of pins -
    For the Colonel's Lady an' Judy O'Grady
    Are sisters under their skins !
     
    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_ladies.htm
  223. @Twinkie
    @ic1000


    Twinkie, I am missing something. What explains that about half of married women over 65 are Separated, while that is the case for less than a quarter of married men over 65?
     
    Don't forget that men are typically married to younger women. If you look that the two cohorts below the over 65 group, women have higher marriage rates than men of equivalent cohorts (though women are still separated at higher rates). There are likely several other statistical artifacts that account for these.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > Don’t forget that men are typically married to younger women.

    No, that doesn’t explain it. For each bar in each of the other age cohorts, a higher percentage of men than women are “Separated,” though the differences are modest for the under-65s. It must be some other quirk, maybe in how “Separated” is defined or calculated.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @ic1000

    It can if the female marriage rate is higher in lower cohorts and the number distribution sufficiently favors those cohorts of women.

  224. @ic1000
    @Twinkie

    > Don’t forget that men are typically married to younger women.

    No, that doesn't explain it. For each bar in each of the other age cohorts, a higher percentage of men than women are "Separated," though the differences are modest for the under-65s. It must be some other quirk, maybe in how "Separated" is defined or calculated.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    It can if the female marriage rate is higher in lower cohorts and the number distribution sufficiently favors those cohorts of women.

  225. I’ve decided to waste some time…and, yes, various races do have their dating sites- but it seems that almost all are a sort of misecegenation-oriented.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cupidmedia.wrapper.blackcupid&hl=en_US&gl=US (unmixed, for blacks)

    https://www.eharmony.com/black-dating/ (in theory all are welcomed, but basically for blacks)

    https://www.blackpeoplemeet.com/ (for blacks)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/5-dating-websites-latinos-seeking-love-n549141 (for Latinx)

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/chispa-dating-for-latinos/id1289684085 (Latinx)

    https://breakupshop.com/best-latin-dating-sites/ (Latinx)

    Funny thing- I don’t see any real Mestizos, only whites & almost-whites. Talk about racism…

    https://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/best-asian-dating-sites-top-6-sites-to-meet-asian-women-online/Content?oid=26509990 (embarrassing. Only Asian girls/women, so it seems to cater to yellow feverists)

    https://www.elitesingles.com/asian-dating (Asians)

    https://www.elitesingles.com/asian-dating (Asians)

    https://www.indiandating.com/ (subcons)

    https://www.elitesingles.com/indian-dating (subcons)

    Let’s see whites, Europeans, Caucasians,…. nothing. It was unanimously condemned as “racist”.

    https://www.vox.com/2016/1/6/10720234/where-white-people-meet-explained

    Alright- I have found one: https://www.whitedate.net/

  226. @Dissident
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Basically, it is: why female virginity is highly valued in virtually all traditional cultures, while male virginity is of no importance?
     
    When did the phrase male virginity gain currency?

    At any rate, how happy would a chaste female be to marry a male whom she knew had been a wanton fornicator?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon

    These are good, but marginal questions (the latter is a bit extreme).

    Because of anatomy, in a normal sex act a female is “possessed”, Biblically “known” & the man who screwed her (he screwed her, not the other way around) has some intimate knowledge & power over her.

    So, from the perspective of normally possessive male in a marriage, he, if she is not a virgin anymore, has got partially “damaged goods”; or she is not completely his, his property (the natural way of male instinctive thinking) because someone has already “possessed” her; then, she might compare him & others, which is a potential cause of anxiety.

    This may sound old-fashioned, but I think Tolstoy got it right in his last (and worst) novel “Resurrection”, when the central character Nekhlyudov (a substitute for Tolstoy) ponders on his future marriage to a 28 years old woman (not a widow & it was, anyway, never realized) & feels an unease, anxiety & disgust over the fact that she had already slept with a few men. Nothing extreme, and he was actually not in love, but it comes down to: her body & soul should be mine, mine & exclusively mine. Period. Nothing to discuss.

    And then, apart from these issues, there remain those of imagination: would you indifferently drink a glass of water from a glass you know was full of shit some time ago, although it is now perfectly clean? Sure, it is sterilized- but you know there was a shit in it & you cannot erase it from your memory.

    If a male CEO has sex with a female subordinate, he has some power over her, he “knew” her & can snigger about it; if a female CEO has sex with a male subordinate- he has gained some power over her, he “knew” her & he can snigger.

    Of course, since virginity in the traditional sense is almost absent in modern society, the average normal modern male (not a man-whore or any other extreme) is forced to accept “a relatively small number of prior partners” as the standard. As far as I know, this is how the modern normal male mind functions in a modern society (except if intoxicated or anything highly atypical, including fetishes).

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Bardon Kaldian


    As far as I know, this is how the modern normal male mind functions in a modern society (except if intoxicated or anything highly atypical, including fetishes).
     
    East Asian men have never really accepted this, possibly leading to a lot of neurosis. Female virginity is still commonly valorized and its absence in real life leads to a lot of frustration.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Rosie, @Twinkie

    , @Rosie
    @Bardon Kaldian


    So, from the perspective of normally possessive male in a marriage, he, if she is not a virgin anymore, has got partially “damaged goods”;
     
    Women are not "goods," and therefore cannot be "damaged goods."

    There is no pilpul that will ever make this attitude acceptable.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Christian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Colin Wright

    , @Dissident
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks. You have basically expanded upon my question. The critical anatomical and other differences that you point-out* are the very reason why the term and concept of "male virginity" seems odd and even artificial and contrived. I still wonder when it originated and gained currency.

    In Judaism, there is no term for or concept of "male virginity" that I know of. Only female virginity, which has highly consequential ramifications for marriage. A virgin commands a higher dowry, and a woman must be honest to a prospective marriage partner about her status as virgin or non-virgin.


    Of course, since virginity in the traditional sense is almost absent in modern society,
     
    Well, there are still societies in which virginity (and early age) at marriage remain the norm, though even those that exist within the modern world manage to simultaneously remain largely separate and isolated from it. Only through such separation and isolation are they able to maintain such rigorous standards against the surrounding tide.

    *Incidentally, this basic, obvious anatomical difference is reason alone why carnal intimacy between adult females and underage males (whatever else can be said about it) is fundamentally different than vice-versa. (And, of course, both are very different from older male with younger male, but that's for another time.)

  227. All those guys who go on Reddit to complain that they can’t get any matches on Tinder ought to be going for the unwanted black babes then, thus solving the problem of lonely incels and racism at a single stroke.

    But the truth is that attractive black women do very well on dating apps. It is the fat ugly ones who have a hard time. Now why is that?

    Probably due to the fact that it is difficult to have sex with 200 lb women without getting crushed.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jonathan Mason

    So..... you're not taking our Asia Grace's thoughts seriously? Tsssss ...

    https://nypost.com/2020/12/29/lizzo-claps-her-thunder-thighs-in-slow-motion-on-instagram/

    Lizzo gives herself a sexy round of applause with ‘thunder’ thighs

    By Asia Grace

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CI1IItHBX58/?utm_source=ig_embed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcJl6yAPVZo

  228. @Dissident
    @Gary in Gramercy


    Remember the (mostly Jewish) guys in the movie Diner, set in 1960 Baltimore?
     
    While not familiar with the film you referenced, your comment reminded me of the 1984 release Over the Brooklyn Bridge. From IMDB:

    A Jewish man who owns a Brooklyn deli asks his domineering uncle for a loan so he can buy his dream restaurant in Manhattan, but the uncle demands that he give up his Gentile girlfriend even though she's one of the few sources of stability in his somewhat chaotic life.
     
    There were a few scenes in particular that, for decades after seeing the film with my parents, we would fondly recall.

    - At the family gathering inside Sammy's Romanian restaurant:
    After a heated argument, one of the protagonist's female relatives asks him, "Aren't you going to eat?". He responds that he is not hungry (it was at least strongly implied that this lack-of-appetite was a direct result of the emotionally-charged, decidedly less-than-pleasant confrontational verbal discourse that had just transpired). The relative rejoins, "For $17.50-a-steak, you walk around the corner and work-up an appetite!".

    For how much longer the officious battleaxe may have persisted, I cannot recall but eventually, the uncle (Sid Caesar) interjects to exclaim, "It's enough with the meat, already! Enough with the meat!".

    - On a rainy night, the protagonist arrives at his uncle's home in order to have a critical, confidential, difficult conversation with him. Concerned about preserving her furniture and decor, the protagonist's aunt orders/reprimands her nephew (the protagonist) and his uncle concerning the removal of the former's drenched coat and the like. On account of the same concerns, the aunt also stops the two gentlemen from sitting down in the living room or dining room-- despite the fact that the furniture is amply-covered by plastic slipcovers. We then see the two men sitting in the bathroom, where, with rolled eyes, the uncle complains to his nephew, "For {X; some considerable number} of years, she has plastics on top of plastics, and we still have to sit in the bathroom!"

    - At some point, the highly neurotic Jewish woman whom the protagonist's family have been encouraging him to marry instead of the far more appealing non-Jewish woman, becomes deeply annoyed with him. So much so that when he cordially extends his hand toward her elderly, decidedly short-in-stature father ("Mr. Goodman", played by Leib Lensky) in the course of greeting or bidding him farewell, the insufferable woman snaps, "Don't touch my father!".

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    I don’t have to see that movie. At least with respect to the first two scenes you mentioned, I lived it. (My grandma Esther, z”l, and her plastic slipcovers…)

    And by the way, it’s Sammy’s Roumanian. It recently closed, but its owner hopes to reopen eventually. I wouldn’t bet on it. Today, with women controlling the purse strings in so many situations, a restaurant needs a vegetarian option and a “heart-healthy” menu. At Sammy’s? You might as well ask them to serve bacon cheeseburgers with baby back ribs.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Plastic slipcovers are standard among the Orthodox. Practical with large families.


    And by the way, it’s Sammy’s Roumanian.
     
    I had spelled it that way but my spell-checker intervened.

    Wasn't Sammy's Roumanian near the original 2nd Avenue Deli?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  229. @Jonathan Mason
    All those guys who go on Reddit to complain that they can't get any matches on Tinder ought to be going for the unwanted black babes then, thus solving the problem of lonely incels and racism at a single stroke.

    But the truth is that attractive black women do very well on dating apps. It is the fat ugly ones who have a hard time. Now why is that?

    Probably due to the fact that it is difficult to have sex with 200 lb women without getting crushed.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    So….. you’re not taking our Asia Grace’s thoughts seriously? Tsssss …

    https://nypost.com/2020/12/29/lizzo-claps-her-thunder-thighs-in-slow-motion-on-instagram/

    Lizzo gives herself a sexy round of applause with ‘thunder’ thighs

    By Asia Grace

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CI1IItHBX58/?utm_source=ig_embed

  230. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Dissident

    These are good, but marginal questions (the latter is a bit extreme).

    Because of anatomy, in a normal sex act a female is "possessed", Biblically "known" & the man who screwed her (he screwed her, not the other way around) has some intimate knowledge & power over her.

    So, from the perspective of normally possessive male in a marriage, he, if she is not a virgin anymore, has got partially "damaged goods"; or she is not completely his, his property (the natural way of male instinctive thinking) because someone has already "possessed" her; then, she might compare him & others, which is a potential cause of anxiety.

    This may sound old-fashioned, but I think Tolstoy got it right in his last (and worst) novel "Resurrection", when the central character Nekhlyudov (a substitute for Tolstoy) ponders on his future marriage to a 28 years old woman (not a widow & it was, anyway, never realized) & feels an unease, anxiety & disgust over the fact that she had already slept with a few men. Nothing extreme, and he was actually not in love, but it comes down to: her body & soul should be mine, mine & exclusively mine. Period. Nothing to discuss.

    And then, apart from these issues, there remain those of imagination: would you indifferently drink a glass of water from a glass you know was full of shit some time ago, although it is now perfectly clean? Sure, it is sterilized- but you know there was a shit in it & you cannot erase it from your memory.

    If a male CEO has sex with a female subordinate, he has some power over her, he "knew" her & can snigger about it; if a female CEO has sex with a male subordinate- he has gained some power over her, he "knew" her & he can snigger.

    Of course, since virginity in the traditional sense is almost absent in modern society, the average normal modern male (not a man-whore or any other extreme) is forced to accept "a relatively small number of prior partners" as the standard. As far as I know, this is how the modern normal male mind functions in a modern society (except if intoxicated or anything highly atypical, including fetishes).

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Rosie, @Dissident

    As far as I know, this is how the modern normal male mind functions in a modern society (except if intoxicated or anything highly atypical, including fetishes).

    East Asian men have never really accepted this, possibly leading to a lot of neurosis. Female virginity is still commonly valorized and its absence in real life leads to a lot of frustration.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Daniel Chieh

    Perhaps, but it means they are normal. Unfortunately, sticking to the idealized situations no longer exist leads to unhappiness.

    Normal, yet unhappy.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Daniel Chieh

    , @Rosie
    @Daniel Chieh


    East Asian men have never really accepted this
     
    Why does that not surprise me?

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    , @Twinkie
    @Daniel Chieh


    East Asian men have never really accepted this, possibly leading to a lot of neurosis. Female virginity is still commonly valorized and its absence in real life leads to a lot of frustration.
     
    1. Chastity should be “valorized.”

    2. Several East Asian counties/regions have demonstrably conservative sexual mores:


    https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/248856/average-number-of-sexual-partners-in-selected-countries-worldwide.jpg

  231. @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie


    technically the right to privacy is on the books.
     
    Where?

    Replies: @Rosie

    Where?

    Don’t start, AM. The right to privacy (substantive due process) is written into constitutional caselaw going back 100 years.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_v._Nebraska

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie

    That's a due process case, not a privacy case. The word "privacy" doesn't even appear in it.

    Privacy and "substantive due process" are not the same thing. The closest that US law has to privacy is the Fourth Amendment (protection against unreasonable search and seizure).

    Given that free speech (First Amendment), includes the right to speak about others, it is hard to see how it is possible to have both privacy and free speech. Long ago the US chose free speech. Some foreign countries chose privacy (you're not allowed to say things against the monarch/royal family/Jews/protected classes/the government, etc.).

    Obviously, some people would like to make the US like that too, and they are succeeding to a certain extent with doxxing, firing, cultural censure, etc., but so far there is no official right to suppress someone else's speech.

    Replies: @Liberty Mike

  232. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Reg Cæsar

    Again with the Last Tango in Paris references?

    Replies: @iDeplorable

    Again with

    Reg is a geriatric with nothing else to do all day but spam iSteve. He’s a tiresome fellow but means no harm.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @iDeplorable


    Reg is a geriatric with nothing else to do all day but spam iSteve. He’s a tiresome fellow but means no harm.
     
    Reg Cæsar is often quite witty, and refreshing. Even at his worst, he is still considerably less tiresome than any number of other regulars here often are.

    [E.g., Incessant, utter predictable, redundant and repetitive Jew-baiting; juvenile mocking of individuals with odious views for their physical appearance; that guy who repeatedly posts numerous photos (without even exercising the courtesy of using the MORE! tag) of voluptuous white women in order to "prove" how clearly aesthetically superior they are to black and at least some other non-white women (as if this were some great revelation); crude adolescent boasts (or perhaps wishful thinking) of sexual prowess , etc., etc.]

    And older, seasoned commenters should be welcomed for the wisdom and experience they bring.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  233. @Daniel Chieh
    @Bardon Kaldian


    As far as I know, this is how the modern normal male mind functions in a modern society (except if intoxicated or anything highly atypical, including fetishes).
     
    East Asian men have never really accepted this, possibly leading to a lot of neurosis. Female virginity is still commonly valorized and its absence in real life leads to a lot of frustration.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Rosie, @Twinkie

    Perhaps, but it means they are normal. Unfortunately, sticking to the idealized situations no longer exist leads to unhappiness.

    Normal, yet unhappy.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Perhaps, but it means they are normal. Unfortunately, sticking to the idealized situations no longer exist leads to unhappiness.

    Normal, yet unhappy.
     
    There is nothing remotely "normal" about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.

    To say it is "normal" for men to think this way is to call men psychopaths.

    Of course, even if it is normal, that in no way establishes that it is correct, despite the tendency on the dissident right to treat men’s conduct as ipso facto morally righteous.

    Replies: @anon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us.”

  234. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Dissident

    These are good, but marginal questions (the latter is a bit extreme).

    Because of anatomy, in a normal sex act a female is "possessed", Biblically "known" & the man who screwed her (he screwed her, not the other way around) has some intimate knowledge & power over her.

    So, from the perspective of normally possessive male in a marriage, he, if she is not a virgin anymore, has got partially "damaged goods"; or she is not completely his, his property (the natural way of male instinctive thinking) because someone has already "possessed" her; then, she might compare him & others, which is a potential cause of anxiety.

    This may sound old-fashioned, but I think Tolstoy got it right in his last (and worst) novel "Resurrection", when the central character Nekhlyudov (a substitute for Tolstoy) ponders on his future marriage to a 28 years old woman (not a widow & it was, anyway, never realized) & feels an unease, anxiety & disgust over the fact that she had already slept with a few men. Nothing extreme, and he was actually not in love, but it comes down to: her body & soul should be mine, mine & exclusively mine. Period. Nothing to discuss.

    And then, apart from these issues, there remain those of imagination: would you indifferently drink a glass of water from a glass you know was full of shit some time ago, although it is now perfectly clean? Sure, it is sterilized- but you know there was a shit in it & you cannot erase it from your memory.

    If a male CEO has sex with a female subordinate, he has some power over her, he "knew" her & can snigger about it; if a female CEO has sex with a male subordinate- he has gained some power over her, he "knew" her & he can snigger.

    Of course, since virginity in the traditional sense is almost absent in modern society, the average normal modern male (not a man-whore or any other extreme) is forced to accept "a relatively small number of prior partners" as the standard. As far as I know, this is how the modern normal male mind functions in a modern society (except if intoxicated or anything highly atypical, including fetishes).

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Rosie, @Dissident

    So, from the perspective of normally possessive male in a marriage, he, if she is not a virgin anymore, has got partially “damaged goods”;

    Women are not “goods,” and therefore cannot be “damaged goods.”

    There is no pilpul that will ever make this attitude acceptable.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon, Jim Christian, TWS
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Rosie

    "Women are not “goods”"


    Rosie, it's called a metaphor, and women use it about men. You must surely have heard the complaint of young women studying tech-heavy things where the student body is disproportionately male and nerdish.

    "The odds are good, but the goods are odd"

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Jim Christian
    @Rosie

    Hey Rosie, as long as women monetize their beauty, sue for sex "improprieties" and select husbands by income, not to mention a million other ways women pick men's pockets, they're "goods" or much more accurately, a commodity. Even half-fuggly, a skinny girl without tatts and other stupid adornments can find a man to support her in fine style. Commodity, she monetized her mind, body and soul, see? You don't get to have the one without recognizing the other. And you certainly don't get to bitch about mens' recognition of the game..Yet always a hoot, Rosie!

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Rosie


    Women are not “goods,” and therefore cannot be “damaged goods.”
     
    That leaves women only as “bads”. I disagree; it seems misogynistic. :(
    , @Colin Wright
    @Rosie

    'Women are not “goods,” and therefore cannot be “damaged goods.”

    'There is no pilpul that will ever make this attitude acceptable.'

    You can accept it or not as you please.

    It's still there.

  235. @Daniel Chieh
    @Bardon Kaldian


    As far as I know, this is how the modern normal male mind functions in a modern society (except if intoxicated or anything highly atypical, including fetishes).
     
    East Asian men have never really accepted this, possibly leading to a lot of neurosis. Female virginity is still commonly valorized and its absence in real life leads to a lot of frustration.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Rosie, @Twinkie

    East Asian men have never really accepted this

    Why does that not surprise me?

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Rosie

    Well, Rosie, their women are sluts, the men ain't happy about it. THAT'S exactly what feminism achieved.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Daniel Chieh

  236. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Sgt. Joe Friday


    Most men will recoil at the idea of marrying a woman who has a higher notch count than his, or one that exceeds some threshold.
     
    That's an interesting conundrum. After all, if we men are to enjoy the smorgasbord of women, how can we not expect women to do the converse?

    How can we not in fact encourage them to? Don't you want an experienced partner who knows what she wants?

    And who knows how to please you...? Hmm...?

    I remember going through this question, and I got over it a long time ago. Women are adults, and they can handle modern pleasures and experiences as much as you can. You need not worry how many notches yours has on her belt.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jonathan Mason

    It all goes back to the current belief that sexual intercourse is a kind of sporting activity that is safe and beneficial like tennis or golf, regardless of the fact that throughout human history it has been a very risky process with populations decimated by syphilis, AIDS (to some extent) and childbirth in which the life of the mother and child was always at risk.

    Even today it is acknowledged in the medical world and having an abortion at an early stage of a pregnancy carries less health risk to the mother than carrying the baby to term.

    Even when I was young, just around the time that the birth control pill was being invented, the discussion was much more about whether there should be “premarital sex”, for example students who were pair-bonded having sex while in college and completing their degrees before marrying and having children.

    Now we have moved to the notion that sex is just like a handshake, but that if you don’t have an active sex life, then there is something wrong with you.

    Personally I don’t really think that this is a recipe for long-term happiness, at least not for a lot of people, and particularly not for women.

    • Agree: Dissident, ic1000
  237. @Anon

    For instance, black women preferred to date black men at a rate surpassed only by Asian women’s preference for Asian men.
     
    Wait a minute. What?? Aren't Asian women notoriously willing to date white men?

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KRkg8BrhRh8J:https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/why-does-race-matter-for-women+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us shows Asian women (who are graduate students at Columbia) preferring white men to Asian men. (Accepting 45% of White men compared to 44% of Asian men, but still.) Razib summarized the findings as "Asian dudes are really screwed. Not only are non-Asian women not impressed, but Asian women aren't reciprocally racially discriminatory to level the playing field."

    The 2008 study shows Asian women having by far the weakest preference for their own race of any female demographic. (Asian men appear to have an even weaker one.) What's going on? These are not compatible ideas.

    Replies: @El Dato, @JohnPlywood, @Altai, @Anonymous, @Burstblister, @bigdicknick, @Truth

    Twiiiiiiiin-KEEEEEEY, come save uz!

  238. @Rosie
    @Bardon Kaldian


    So, from the perspective of normally possessive male in a marriage, he, if she is not a virgin anymore, has got partially “damaged goods”;
     
    Women are not "goods," and therefore cannot be "damaged goods."

    There is no pilpul that will ever make this attitude acceptable.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Christian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Colin Wright

    “Women are not “goods””

    Rosie, it’s called a metaphor, and women use it about men. You must surely have heard the complaint of young women studying tech-heavy things where the student body is disproportionately male and nerdish.

    “The odds are good, but the goods are odd”

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Rosie, it’s called a metaphor,
     
    Right. It's a metaphor that reveals an essentially utilitarian attitude towards women that is the defining essence of psychopathy.


    You must surely have heard the complaint of young women studying tech-heavy things where the student body is disproportionately male and nerdish.

    “The odds are good, but the goods are odd”
     
    I have never once in my life heard a woman refer to men as "goods." It wouldn't surprise me if women in tech do so, though, because they are probably more object-oriented and therefore gender-atypical in that respect. In no case is "a handful of women do it too" a moral defense. Tu quoque.

    https://youtu.be/8giIAi5yXls

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  239. @Rosie
    @Almost Missouri


    Where?
     
    Don't start, AM. The right to privacy (substantive due process) is written into constitutional caselaw going back 100 years.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_v._Nebraska

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    That’s a due process case, not a privacy case. The word “privacy” doesn’t even appear in it.

    Privacy and “substantive due process” are not the same thing. The closest that US law has to privacy is the Fourth Amendment (protection against unreasonable search and seizure).

    Given that free speech (First Amendment), includes the right to speak about others, it is hard to see how it is possible to have both privacy and free speech. Long ago the US chose free speech. Some foreign countries chose privacy (you’re not allowed to say things against the monarch/royal family/Jews/protected classes/the government, etc.).

    Obviously, some people would like to make the US like that too, and they are succeeding to a certain extent with doxxing, firing, cultural censure, etc., but so far there is no official right to suppress someone else’s speech.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    @Almost Missouri

    The text of the 9th amendment would appear to protect the right to privacy:

    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    The right to be left alone is a hallmark of a free and civilized society.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  240. That’s a due process case, not a privacy case. The word “privacy” doesn’t even appear in it.

    AM, please don’t opine about things you are totally ignorant of. The “right to privacy” in the constitutional sense refers precisely to substantive due process.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Substantive_due_process#:~:text=are%20infringed%20upon.-,Privacy%20as%20a%20substantive%20right,constitutionally%20protected%20right%20to%20privacy.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie


    The “right to privacy” in the constitutional sense
     
    "Right to privacy" is not in the Constitution.

    refers precisely to substantive due process.
     
    Sorry to break it to you, but this is mistaken on several levels.

    First of all, "right to privacy" cannot "refer precisely" to "substantive due process" since every privacy case would have to be a "substantive due process" case and vice versa, and that is self evidently not the case. So no, it does not "refer precisely".

    Second of all, "substantive due process" itself is a fake and gay term spun out of a pedestrian distinction in 14th Amendment jurisprudence a century after the 14th Amendment was ratified. The term also does not appear in the Constitution. Since then, leftist lawyers have used the term to invoke a vague and undefinable set rights that they can grant and revoke at whim irrespective of actual Constitutionality. Freedom of association? Freedom of contract? "Pound sand!" Freedom to kill your baby? Freedom to gaymarry? "Oo oo, substantive due process!"

    Third of all, even if you believe in the "substantive due process" hoax, it still won't help you protect your online dating history, which you might recall was the original comment that sparked this little debate. Online dating history exists. Things that exist can be talked about and reacted to. Therefore online dating history can be talked about and reacted to. Shouting "privacy!" or "substantive due process!" at it won't change that.

    Replies: @Rosie

  241. @Bill P
    @Luzzatto

    My test for my sons is pretty simple. Could she stand up to your mother in a fight? She doesn't have to win, but she needs to last at least a minute.

    If one of my boys could find a subcontinental woman who could do that with their respective mothers, I'd be OK with the relationship. I suppose it's possible, but it seems unlikely.

    I'm quite serious about this. How is there ever going to be peace in the family if there's no respect between the women?

    Replies: @anon, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Truth

    My test for my sons is pretty simple. Could she stand up to your mother in a fight? She doesn’t have to win, but she needs to last at least a minute.

    I guess it ‘s a good thing you didn’t have daughters.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Truth

    But I do. Different rules apply.

  242. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Daniel Chieh

    Perhaps, but it means they are normal. Unfortunately, sticking to the idealized situations no longer exist leads to unhappiness.

    Normal, yet unhappy.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Daniel Chieh

    Perhaps, but it means they are normal. Unfortunately, sticking to the idealized situations no longer exist leads to unhappiness.

    Normal, yet unhappy.

    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.

    To say it is “normal” for men to think this way is to call men psychopaths.

    Of course, even if it is normal, that in no way establishes that it is correct, despite the tendency on the dissident right to treat men’s conduct as ipso facto morally righteous.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Rosie

    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that,

    PET scans do not agree with your "ought". Why, it's almost as if there are deep biological differences between the sexes stemming from long term biological stresses and interactions!

    Or, to quote a book you've never read, "Male and female He made them".

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Rosie

    I don't think you understand complexities of sexual psychologies, both male and female, and especially through history.

    Just, this is an online forum & it is meaningless to go into details of jealousy, male perception of females through history, the varieties of it etc.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Rosie


    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.

     

    Many women as well as men view the other sex through utilitarian glasses. Just in different ways. Parents also have their own "utilities" for prospective sons- or daughters-in-law.

    All this is defensible up to a point. It's when the other person's or family's or sex's interests are disregarded that it becomes an issue.

    As science and Scripture agree, it's all about the children.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie

    , @Twinkie
    @Rosie


    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.
     
    Valuing chastity is not just utilitarian. As with many other aspects of love and courtship, there are both utilitarian and spiritual dimensions to seeking a chaste wife.

    But we've been around the block on this topic, haven't we?

    I mean this quite sincerely and do not write this with malice - you really ought to let go of your mother's history and your own circumstances in evaluating what is and is not good for most people and the society we share. You supposedly have children. I certainly do. We ought to strive to help our children be better than we were, no?

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie, @Truth

  243. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @AndrewR

    Tis my pejorative short-hand for the commentariat of this blog. It is meant to convey my annoyance with the constant, inescapable whining that pervades the comment sections. Especially on anything having to do with race and ideology.

    Also, I am Nigerian and most of you are not. Hence, 'you people' not 'my people'.

    Replies: @anon

    Also, I am Nigerian and most of you are not.

    I am a Prince and you are not. Perhaps we should talk…

  244. @Rosie
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Perhaps, but it means they are normal. Unfortunately, sticking to the idealized situations no longer exist leads to unhappiness.

    Normal, yet unhappy.
     
    There is nothing remotely "normal" about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.

    To say it is "normal" for men to think this way is to call men psychopaths.

    Of course, even if it is normal, that in no way establishes that it is correct, despite the tendency on the dissident right to treat men’s conduct as ipso facto morally righteous.

    Replies: @anon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that,

    PET scans do not agree with your “ought”. Why, it’s almost as if there are deep biological differences between the sexes stemming from long term biological stresses and interactions!

    Or, to quote a book you’ve never read, “Male and female He made them”.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @anon


    Or, to quote a book you’ve never read, “Male and female He made them”.
     
    Lol I doubt you know half as much about that book as I do.

    PET scans do not agree with your “ought”.
     
    So what?

    Replies: @anon

  245. @Dissident
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Basically, it is: why female virginity is highly valued in virtually all traditional cultures, while male virginity is of no importance?
     
    When did the phrase male virginity gain currency?

    At any rate, how happy would a chaste female be to marry a male whom she knew had been a wanton fornicator?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon

    “how happy would a chaste female be to marry a male whom she knew had been a wanton fornicator?”

    It’s unlikely that there are many chaste women in the US or UK, and probably none in Hollywood, or we could have asked the wives of George Clooney, Tom Cruise or Sean Connery if they minded.

    Do you think Emma Woodhouse expected Mr Knightly to be a virgin, or that Captain Wentworth saved himself for Anne Elliot during seven years at sea? Colonel Brandon? Mr Darcy?

    Jane Austen was a realist.

    “You’ve had lots of lovely women,
    Now you turn your gaze to me”

    Joni is flattered, not repelled

    “Weighing the beauty and the imperfection,
    To see if I’m worthy”

    Whoever he was, he made himself the prize.

    What did the Colonel’s Lady think ?
    Nobody never knew.
    Somebody asked the Sergeant’s Wife,
    An’ she told ’em true!
    When you get to a man in the case,
    They’re like as a row of pins –
    For the Colonel’s Lady an’ Judy O’Grady
    Are sisters under their skins !

    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_ladies.htm

  246. @Rosie
    @Bardon Kaldian


    So, from the perspective of normally possessive male in a marriage, he, if she is not a virgin anymore, has got partially “damaged goods”;
     
    Women are not "goods," and therefore cannot be "damaged goods."

    There is no pilpul that will ever make this attitude acceptable.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Christian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Colin Wright

    Hey Rosie, as long as women monetize their beauty, sue for sex “improprieties” and select husbands by income, not to mention a million other ways women pick men’s pockets, they’re “goods” or much more accurately, a commodity. Even half-fuggly, a skinny girl without tatts and other stupid adornments can find a man to support her in fine style. Commodity, she monetized her mind, body and soul, see? You don’t get to have the one without recognizing the other. And you certainly don’t get to bitch about mens’ recognition of the game..Yet always a hoot, Rosie!

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Jim Christian


    Hey Rosie, as long as women monetize their beauty, sue for sex “improprieties” and select husbands by income, not to mention a million other ways women pick men’s pockets, they’re “goods” or much more accurately, a commodity.
     
    It's ok for women to treat men like ATMs because they treat us like sex objects. It's ok for men to treat women like objects, because they treat men like ATMs.

    Round and round it goes.
    Where it stops, nobody knows.

    Also, women who seek to earn their own living are selfish careerists, and women who seek a man who can provide for them are whores.

    It's the usual no-win situation for women around here.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

  247. @Twinkie
    I found this noteworthy though not surprising:

    https://secureservercdn.net/166.62.110.213/pg2.00d.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Black-Men-Historical-Marriage-1890-to-2010.jpg

    https://secureservercdn.net/166.62.110.213/pg2.00d.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Black-Women-Historical-Marriage-1890-to-2010.jpg

    Replies: @Neuday

    Welfare’s a helluva drug.

  248. @iDeplorable
    @Gary in Gramercy


    Again with
     
    Reg is a geriatric with nothing else to do all day but spam iSteve. He's a tiresome fellow but means no harm.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Reg is a geriatric with nothing else to do all day but spam iSteve. He’s a tiresome fellow but means no harm.

    Reg Cæsar is often quite witty, and refreshing. Even at his worst, he is still considerably less tiresome than any number of other regulars here often are.

    [E.g., Incessant, utter predictable, redundant and repetitive Jew-baiting; juvenile mocking of individuals with odious views for their physical appearance; that guy who repeatedly posts numerous photos (without even exercising the courtesy of using the MORE! tag) of voluptuous white women in order to “prove” how clearly aesthetically superior they are to black and at least some other non-white women (as if this were some great revelation); crude adolescent boasts (or perhaps wishful thinking) of sexual prowess , etc., etc.]

    And older, seasoned commenters should be welcomed for the wisdom and experience they bring.

    • Thanks: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dissident


    juvenile mocking of individuals with odious views for their physical appearance

     

    Au contraire. Physiognomy and looks are important components of HBD and are also major factors explaining much of the demographic hostility driving politics today, particularly anti-White politics and sexual ‘marketplace’ resentments. Loudmouth “odious” uggos should always be mocked. (Sympathy should be reserved for the unassuming who lack pulchritude.)

    that guy who repeatedly posts numerous photos (without even exercising the courtesy of using the MORE! tag)
     
    I agree, liberal use of the MORE tag would be appreciated from some regulars.

    And since you’re tallying tiresome posts, let me add to the bill your own long-running oh-so-coy NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts. GTFO with that shite.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident, @anon

  249. @Rosie
    @Daniel Chieh


    East Asian men have never really accepted this
     
    Why does that not surprise me?

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    Well, Rosie, their women are sluts, the men ain’t happy about it. THAT’S exactly what feminism achieved.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jim Christian


    Well, Rosie, their women are sluts
     
    See the data in my comment above.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Jim Christian

    More to do with a cultural awareness of the fake and gay concept of individuality.

  250. @Nigerian Nationalist
    While you people obsess over Blacks, they will force you to date fatsos and suck off trannies.

    This why you people have been steadily losing. Blacks are a minority in your country. Your worst enemy (and mine, incidentally) are your fellow Whites.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Kylie, @anon, @Servant of Gla'aki

    While you people obsess over Blacks…

    nobody is “obsessed” with blacks, they just want to get away from them

  251. @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie

    That's a due process case, not a privacy case. The word "privacy" doesn't even appear in it.

    Privacy and "substantive due process" are not the same thing. The closest that US law has to privacy is the Fourth Amendment (protection against unreasonable search and seizure).

    Given that free speech (First Amendment), includes the right to speak about others, it is hard to see how it is possible to have both privacy and free speech. Long ago the US chose free speech. Some foreign countries chose privacy (you're not allowed to say things against the monarch/royal family/Jews/protected classes/the government, etc.).

    Obviously, some people would like to make the US like that too, and they are succeeding to a certain extent with doxxing, firing, cultural censure, etc., but so far there is no official right to suppress someone else's speech.

    Replies: @Liberty Mike

    The text of the 9th amendment would appear to protect the right to privacy:

    “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

    The right to be left alone is a hallmark of a free and civilized society.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Liberty Mike

    Leaving aside that the 9th and 10th Amendments have largely been abandoned by our judicial elites, you can go back to Rosie's original comment:


    I guess sooner or later a person’s online dating history will be grounds for cancel[l]ation
     
    which is probably true. But she followed it up with,

    technically the right to privacy is on the books
     
    which I maintain is not true, at least not in the sense meant here of preventing someone from speaking about someone else, nor can it be true so long as the right to free speech exists.

    Replies: @Rosie

  252. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Rosie

    "Women are not “goods”"


    Rosie, it's called a metaphor, and women use it about men. You must surely have heard the complaint of young women studying tech-heavy things where the student body is disproportionately male and nerdish.

    "The odds are good, but the goods are odd"

    Replies: @Rosie

    Rosie, it’s called a metaphor,

    Right. It’s a metaphor that reveals an essentially utilitarian attitude towards women that is the defining essence of psychopathy.

    You must surely have heard the complaint of young women studying tech-heavy things where the student body is disproportionately male and nerdish.

    “The odds are good, but the goods are odd”

    I have never once in my life heard a woman refer to men as “goods.” It wouldn’t surprise me if women in tech do so, though, because they are probably more object-oriented and therefore gender-atypical in that respect. In no case is “a handful of women do it too” a moral defense. Tu quoque.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Rosie

    I have heard women refer to men as having a 'package'.

    Then again, I have heard women referred to as 'baggages' or indeed as an 'old bag'.

  253. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Daniel Chieh

    Perhaps, but it means they are normal. Unfortunately, sticking to the idealized situations no longer exist leads to unhappiness.

    Normal, yet unhappy.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Daniel Chieh

    “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.”

    • Agree: theMann
  254. @Rosie
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Perhaps, but it means they are normal. Unfortunately, sticking to the idealized situations no longer exist leads to unhappiness.

    Normal, yet unhappy.
     
    There is nothing remotely "normal" about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.

    To say it is "normal" for men to think this way is to call men psychopaths.

    Of course, even if it is normal, that in no way establishes that it is correct, despite the tendency on the dissident right to treat men’s conduct as ipso facto morally righteous.

    Replies: @anon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

    I don’t think you understand complexities of sexual psychologies, both male and female, and especially through history.

    Just, this is an online forum & it is meaningless to go into details of jealousy, male perception of females through history, the varieties of it etc.

  255. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Dissident

    These are good, but marginal questions (the latter is a bit extreme).

    Because of anatomy, in a normal sex act a female is "possessed", Biblically "known" & the man who screwed her (he screwed her, not the other way around) has some intimate knowledge & power over her.

    So, from the perspective of normally possessive male in a marriage, he, if she is not a virgin anymore, has got partially "damaged goods"; or she is not completely his, his property (the natural way of male instinctive thinking) because someone has already "possessed" her; then, she might compare him & others, which is a potential cause of anxiety.

    This may sound old-fashioned, but I think Tolstoy got it right in his last (and worst) novel "Resurrection", when the central character Nekhlyudov (a substitute for Tolstoy) ponders on his future marriage to a 28 years old woman (not a widow & it was, anyway, never realized) & feels an unease, anxiety & disgust over the fact that she had already slept with a few men. Nothing extreme, and he was actually not in love, but it comes down to: her body & soul should be mine, mine & exclusively mine. Period. Nothing to discuss.

    And then, apart from these issues, there remain those of imagination: would you indifferently drink a glass of water from a glass you know was full of shit some time ago, although it is now perfectly clean? Sure, it is sterilized- but you know there was a shit in it & you cannot erase it from your memory.

    If a male CEO has sex with a female subordinate, he has some power over her, he "knew" her & can snigger about it; if a female CEO has sex with a male subordinate- he has gained some power over her, he "knew" her & he can snigger.

    Of course, since virginity in the traditional sense is almost absent in modern society, the average normal modern male (not a man-whore or any other extreme) is forced to accept "a relatively small number of prior partners" as the standard. As far as I know, this is how the modern normal male mind functions in a modern society (except if intoxicated or anything highly atypical, including fetishes).

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Rosie, @Dissident

    Thanks. You have basically expanded upon my question. The critical anatomical and other differences that you point-out* are the very reason why the term and concept of “male virginity” seems odd and even artificial and contrived. I still wonder when it originated and gained currency.

    In Judaism, there is no term for or concept of “male virginity” that I know of. Only female virginity, which has highly consequential ramifications for marriage. A virgin commands a higher dowry, and a woman must be honest to a prospective marriage partner about her status as virgin or non-virgin.

    Of course, since virginity in the traditional sense is almost absent in modern society,

    Well, there are still societies in which virginity (and early age) at marriage remain the norm, though even those that exist within the modern world manage to simultaneously remain largely separate and isolated from it. Only through such separation and isolation are they able to maintain such rigorous standards against the surrounding tide.

    *Incidentally, this basic, obvious anatomical difference is reason alone why carnal intimacy between adult females and underage males (whatever else can be said about it) is fundamentally different than vice-versa. (And, of course, both are very different from older male with younger male, but that’s for another time.)

  256. @Anon
    @Paperback Writer


    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.
     
    Which is why they work to create unwelcoming environments.

    Replies: @Dissident

    For a tribal religion, Jews have done a pretty crappy job of keeping the tribe intact when they find themselves in a welcoming assimilative environment.

    Which is why they work to create unwelcoming environments.

    Jews intentionally work to make the environment in which they dwell unwelcoming to them? Is that what you are asserting?

    I’ve seen the claim made that Jews in the West promote the immigration of populations far more likely to be hostile to them than the native, majority-population whites, in order to counter the greater threat of intermarriage that is posed by the latter, far more friendly populations. I countered by pointing-out that the Jews who are the most averse, and often the only ones at all averse to intermarriage and assimilation are also those who are the least likely to promote immigration: the Orthodox.

  257. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Dissident

    I don't have to see that movie. At least with respect to the first two scenes you mentioned, I lived it. (My grandma Esther, z"l, and her plastic slipcovers...)

    And by the way, it's Sammy's Roumanian. It recently closed, but its owner hopes to reopen eventually. I wouldn't bet on it. Today, with women controlling the purse strings in so many situations, a restaurant needs a vegetarian option and a "heart-healthy" menu. At Sammy's? You might as well ask them to serve bacon cheeseburgers with baby back ribs.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Plastic slipcovers are standard among the Orthodox. Practical with large families.

    And by the way, it’s Sammy’s Roumanian.

    I had spelled it that way but my spell-checker intervened.

    Wasn’t Sammy’s Roumanian near the original 2nd Avenue Deli?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Dissident

    Right you are about Sammy's location: it was on Chrystie Street, physically the continuation of Second Avenue once you get south of Houston Street.

    The Second Avenue Deli was (big shock) on 2nd Ave. and 10th Street; it's since relocated to 33rd Street between Lex and Third, with an uptown branch on First Avenue somewhere in the 70's. I've been to the 33rd Street location a few times: not bad, but not the same (and twice the prices as the original).

    It's getting hard out here for a fresser.

    Replies: @Dissident

  258. @hhsiii
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “You meet a nice clean girl at church, in the liberry.” Coming to America.

    -at a bar
    -fixed up by friends
    -client’s secretary
    -girl down the hall in the office
    -girl from class.
    -at the gym
    -camp

    My favorite personally. I worked ticket booth at a movie theater and dated the girl who worked concessions. Tamara O’Seep. What a name.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    “You meet a nice clean girl at church, in the liberry.” Coming to America.

    All gone thanks to TikTok and OnlyFans.

  259. @J.Ross
    @nebulafox

    One good possible outcone of the insane criminal lockdown is people forced to recognize the stupidity of safetyism.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    people forced to recognize the stupidity of safetyism.

    Any day now…any day now…just wait…

  260. @Rosie
    @Bardon Kaldian


    So, from the perspective of normally possessive male in a marriage, he, if she is not a virgin anymore, has got partially “damaged goods”;
     
    Women are not "goods," and therefore cannot be "damaged goods."

    There is no pilpul that will ever make this attitude acceptable.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Christian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Colin Wright

    Women are not “goods,” and therefore cannot be “damaged goods.”

    That leaves women only as “bads”. I disagree; it seems misogynistic. 🙁

  261. @jon
    @Luzzatto


    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it’s good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!
     
    Well, I might agree that someone like Rory Cochrane ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Cochrane#/media/File:Rory_Cochrane.jpg
    looks whiter than, say, Dean Cain ...
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zmrAFDDty6Y/TeB63Pv8FGI/AAAAAAACJ7I/ZvngwsuNjfM/s1600/asian_celebrities_11.jpg
    but I'm not sure I can say he looks better because of it.

    Are there any other famous half-Indians? A quick search didn't turn up much.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @jimmyriddle, @Thatgirl

    Mark Ramprakash

  262. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @indocon

    In the Indian diaspora, there are a considerable number of Christians, a much higher percentage than is found on the mainland. They are usually recognizable by their Portuguese surnames. And they have a very high rate of outmarriage. I’d venture to say that in most White-Indian marriages, the Indian is Christian. At least that’s been my personal observation. Hindu Indians are the complete opposite, and are probably the most clannish and least likely to outmarry of all Asian groups. And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese. I’d say Chinese-Americans are less likely to be Christian than Indian-Americans.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @TimothyTimtim324, @Luzzatto

    In The Bay Area it is extremely common to see White male/Indian female couples and there are very few Christian Indians in The Bay Area, but there are a lot of Indian Atheists/Hindu In Name Only type Indians in The Bay Area!

  263. @Rosie
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Rosie, it’s called a metaphor,
     
    Right. It's a metaphor that reveals an essentially utilitarian attitude towards women that is the defining essence of psychopathy.


    You must surely have heard the complaint of young women studying tech-heavy things where the student body is disproportionately male and nerdish.

    “The odds are good, but the goods are odd”
     
    I have never once in my life heard a woman refer to men as "goods." It wouldn't surprise me if women in tech do so, though, because they are probably more object-oriented and therefore gender-atypical in that respect. In no case is "a handful of women do it too" a moral defense. Tu quoque.

    https://youtu.be/8giIAi5yXls

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I have heard women refer to men as having a ‘package’.

    Then again, I have heard women referred to as ‘baggages’ or indeed as an ‘old bag’.

  264. Black men/White women have the highest divorce rate out of all interracial marriage combos and Black women/White men have the lowest divorce rate out of all the interracial marriage combos.

    The extremely high Black male/White female divorce rate must be due to domestic violence. The Black husband showing his White wife that his pimp hand is way strong thus causing the White wife to file for divorce from her Black husband!

  265. @Nigerian Nationalist
    While you people obsess over Blacks, they will force you to date fatsos and suck off trannies.

    This why you people have been steadily losing. Blacks are a minority in your country. Your worst enemy (and mine, incidentally) are your fellow Whites.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Kylie, @anon, @Servant of Gla'aki

    …they will force you to date fatsos and suck off trannies.

    In fairness, one of those things is significantly worse than the other.

  266. @stillCARealist
    @El Dato

    Thank you. what's Buzz's problem? Can't date and get to know women without screwing? Maybe it's because all his dates centered around drinking alcohol. I tell people, if you can't enjoy each other sober, then you're likely not a good match.

    Replies: @Muggles

    I tell people, if you can’t enjoy each other sober, then you’re likely not a good match.

    Yes, good advice. Unless you are an alcoholic, you don’t want to be drunk very much or at all. And being around drunks if you not one is very tough.

    Other old and tested method for determining compatibility: though this takes some initial time, if you start to “get serious” it is important to take a long trip with each other.

    When you’re young, probably in a small vehicle or some other cramped environment. The longer the better, if you can stand it.

    Such trips are escape proof. You are in each other’s company 24/7 unless you have some events, etc. where you can go. After a few days, the pretenses and false personality starts to drop. People get cranky, smelly and irritable. Yup, like life.

    I’ve known more than one collegiate romance disappear after a month or two in Europe, backpacking or otherwise al fresco. Not my European travel. But a few days in a car and cheap motels will reveal many otherwise hidden traits. Serious relationships are 24/7 anyway, so try before you buy.

  267. @Harry Baldwin
    Black women had a hard time matching on dating apps, as did black and Asian men.

    Don't tell Whiskey or Tiny Duck this.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @The Alarmist, @Neoconned

    There’s a LOTTA shame and stigma for white & Asian and even many latina women who date black dudes.

    Asian and latino dudes know the CDCs statistic Steve has linked to before about black men having 6 to 7 times the rate of STIs has white dudes….evem having a woman tested for STDS can run you into the hundreds.

    Why waste your money or risk it? Just shame coalburners and let them “pay the toll”…..

  268. @JohnnyWalker123
    Don't go bald.

    https://twitter.com/OmnyBased/status/1366117104672534536

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Bill Jones, @mongoos

    It’s amazing what better lighting can do.

  269. @Known Fact
    Of course even if you navigate the racial issues there's still that 800-pound gorilla -- religion. Perhaps you can quickly tell online if someone is Jewish, Catholic or whatever, but you can never tell right off how this background and upbringing is going to guide their behavior and atitudes.

    I assume there are date sites for specific niche religions, but how do the larger general sites handle this potential issue of religious preference?

    (My own major-relationship progression went Catholic-Baptist-Catholic-Catholic, but two very enticing Jewesses nearly crashed the party. Who knows how that would have turned out? )

    Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Bill Jones

    I dated a Jewess for a while when I first moved to Sodom on Hudson.
    It was hoot. she was plugging away at a PHD in psychology which I found endlessly amusing.
    She was still bugging my friends three years after I’d moved on.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Bill Jones

    Sounds like you had the standard-issue NYC experience and were fortunate to not get in too deep. Of the two I knew (not in NY) one was the complete package but shot me down. The other was also quite attractive and was eager to spawn some Jewish super-babies with me -- but despite the usual stereotype she was extremely soft-spoken and tedious to be around (aside from the physical stuff). So I had to shoot her down. If she'd been a little livelier and brassier I might have bit

  270. @Dissident
    @iDeplorable


    Reg is a geriatric with nothing else to do all day but spam iSteve. He’s a tiresome fellow but means no harm.
     
    Reg Cæsar is often quite witty, and refreshing. Even at his worst, he is still considerably less tiresome than any number of other regulars here often are.

    [E.g., Incessant, utter predictable, redundant and repetitive Jew-baiting; juvenile mocking of individuals with odious views for their physical appearance; that guy who repeatedly posts numerous photos (without even exercising the courtesy of using the MORE! tag) of voluptuous white women in order to "prove" how clearly aesthetically superior they are to black and at least some other non-white women (as if this were some great revelation); crude adolescent boasts (or perhaps wishful thinking) of sexual prowess , etc., etc.]

    And older, seasoned commenters should be welcomed for the wisdom and experience they bring.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    juvenile mocking of individuals with odious views for their physical appearance

    Au contraire. Physiognomy and looks are important components of HBD and are also major factors explaining much of the demographic hostility driving politics today, particularly anti-White politics and sexual ‘marketplace’ resentments. Loudmouth “odious” uggos should always be mocked. (Sympathy should be reserved for the unassuming who lack pulchritude.)

    that guy who repeatedly posts numerous photos (without even exercising the courtesy of using the MORE! tag)

    I agree, liberal use of the MORE tag would be appreciated from some regulars.

    And since you’re tallying tiresome posts, let me add to the bill your own long-running oh-so-coy NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts. GTFO with that shite.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    GTFO with that shite.

    Seconded.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Physiognomy and looks are important components of HBD and are also major factors explaining much of the demographic hostility driving politics today...
     
    https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/53aa807/2147483647/thumbnail/640x420/quality/85/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.beam.usnews.com%2F0c%2F70%2F960677764ea3bd8854c0ad2f4704%2Fap-600926026.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Dissident

    , @Dissident
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    And since you’re tallying tiresome posts, let me add to the bill your own long-running oh-so-coy NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts.
     
    That's a rather tendentious characterization, is it not?

    Actually, tendentious would be an understatement. If nothing else, your use of nonce makes libelous more apt.

    How much of my musings on my fascination with boys and related topics have you actually even read? Can you cite an example from an actual post of mine in support of your lurid characterizations?

    Not even two full days ago, in an earlier post to this very thread, I wrote,

    [After condemning a number of sexual aberrations, including] ...the vile, inherently brutal, gruesome, objectively unwholesome act of buggery...

    And to think that some people would brand me as a reprobate simply for finding erotic appeal in adolescent boys...

    More precisely, that is part of a far broader, more complex fascination with such creatures that I have. And, critically, even the erotic aspect is quite different-- in ways that are unequivocally redeeming-- than that which most people would assume.
     
    I present below a representative sampling of past comments of mine that are germane to the topic-at-hand and related ones. This is for the reader with the interest and intelligence to properly read and parse my comments, and the decency and integrity to assess them reasonably, with fairness and accuracy.

    Particular Depravity of Intergenerational Buggery vs. A Radically Different Hypothetical (2019, September)

    - Similar comment, from August 2019, in which I offer essentially the same hypothetical (though worded/formatted with some differences, some of which make this earlier version superior to the later one linked above) but also raise an additional point that I sum-up with the pointed question,

    How many adolescents have been ruined, condemned to a life of depravity and extraordinary high risk of disease and early death, by the propaganda and proselytizing of what FROT* advocate Bill Weintraub calls The Buttf–k Dictatorship?
     
    - Outline for Comprehensive, Compassionate, Multipronged Response to Same-Sex Attraction (2020, October)

    - Attraction to Boys in Otherwise Heterosexual Males (2019, November)

    - Restraining Influence of Female Critical to Unique Wholesomeness of Heterosexuality (August 2019)

    As for the images of boys I have posted, I would challenge anyone to argue that any of them have been less-than-wholesome.

    In response to the complaint that any of the posts of mine in-question are "tiresome":

    Subjectively, anything can be tiresome.

    Objectively, who else offers the particular perspective, viewpoint, style, and aesthetic that I, with said posts, bring? The meticulously considered, painstakingly qualified, comprehensive set of sensibilities, principles and ideals? Does anyone?

    Is there even another established commenter here who has gone on record as merely being bisexual in his proclivities, let alone admitted-to fancying adolescent boys, let alone one to have done either of those while also remaining consistently and defiantly heteronormative, traditionalist, and conservative in cultural and aesthetic matters?
    , @anon
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    [quote]long-running oh-so-coy NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts. GTFO with that shite.[/quote]

    So you to you, finding APPEAL is no different than raping or molesting?

    Where you see coyness, I see rare honesty, conscience, and much careful, deep thought.

    Perhaps you ought to consider what your ugly, abusive response says about you. (I won't hold my breath.)

  271. @nebulafox
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    They'd be Goans, then. Until 1962, it was part of Portugal.

    From my understanding (I've never been to India), Goa is the Bali or Hong Kong of India: more than a bit different from the rest of the country.

    >And while your observation about East Asians being Christian is generally correct, an exception to that is the Chinese.

    Christianity has been getting popular on the mainland, and a lot of earlier wave immigrants are Taiwanese: more likely to be Christian.

    Replies: @RSDB, @Bill Jones

    Goa is the Bali or Hong Kong of India:

    You’re making it too easy for me.
    Shouldn’t Goa be the Macau of India, rather than the Hong Kong?

  272. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dissident


    juvenile mocking of individuals with odious views for their physical appearance

     

    Au contraire. Physiognomy and looks are important components of HBD and are also major factors explaining much of the demographic hostility driving politics today, particularly anti-White politics and sexual ‘marketplace’ resentments. Loudmouth “odious” uggos should always be mocked. (Sympathy should be reserved for the unassuming who lack pulchritude.)

    that guy who repeatedly posts numerous photos (without even exercising the courtesy of using the MORE! tag)
     
    I agree, liberal use of the MORE tag would be appreciated from some regulars.

    And since you’re tallying tiresome posts, let me add to the bill your own long-running oh-so-coy NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts. GTFO with that shite.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident, @anon

    GTFO with that shite.

    Seconded.

  273. There is no equal opportunity in personal relationships.

    The other side of the coin is that females will have to accept any male or face social media annihilation.

    Idiocracy. Staying home and ‘bating makes more sense.

  274. @jon
    @Luzzatto


    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it’s good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!
     
    Well, I might agree that someone like Rory Cochrane ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Cochrane#/media/File:Rory_Cochrane.jpg
    looks whiter than, say, Dean Cain ...
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zmrAFDDty6Y/TeB63Pv8FGI/AAAAAAACJ7I/ZvngwsuNjfM/s1600/asian_celebrities_11.jpg
    but I'm not sure I can say he looks better because of it.

    Are there any other famous half-Indians? A quick search didn't turn up much.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @jimmyriddle, @Thatgirl

    Norah Jones – daughter of Quincy Jones and Indian mother and, of course, Kamala Harris.

    • Replies: @CCG
    @Thatgirl

    No, Norah Jones isn't the daughter of Quincy Jones and an Indian mother. She's the extramarital daughter of Indian sitarist Ravi Shankar and a White music producer named Sue Jones (Ravi Shankar was married to another Indian sitarist named Annapurna Devi at the time).

  275. @JohnnyWalker123
    @indocon

    Blacks are the biggest problem by far.

    As for Hindus vs non-Hindu Subcontinentals, I think that non-Hindus might be even worse. Look at Canadian Sikhs or British Paki Muslims. The Sikhs are really obnoxious up north in Canada, especially around Vancouver/Surrey.

    I would agree that Subcontinentals are, per capita, worse than Hispanics. Mostly because they're more clannish, acquisitive, and culturally distinctive. More disagreeable too, which predisposes them to become raging SJWs.

    Replies: @Thatgirl

    I would agree that Subcontinentals are, per capita, worse than Hispanics. Mostly because they’re more clannish, acquisitive, and culturally distinctive. More disagreeable too, which predisposes them to become raging SJWs.

    I am married to an Indian man (wish I’d read Steve Sailer before making that decision). Acquisitive and disagreeable are pretty much on the mark.

  276. @Luzzatto
    Here in The Bay Area I am seeing a vast increase in White male/South Asian women couples (Indian) and a vast deceease in White male/North Asian women couples (Chinese). A decade or two ago it was the opposite.

    From a phenotype standpoint if you care about that type of stuff it's good because on average half White and half Indian people on average are more likely to be able to pass for White than are half White and half Oriental people!

    Replies: @indocon, @Polistra, @Bill P, @jon, @Altai, @SaneClownPosse

    Dot Indians vary from dark to light.

    The SJWs ignore the caste system in India, the lighter, the higher the caste rank.

  277. @Barnard
    @Steve Sailer

    Is the percentage of black women who are good wife prospects higher than the percentage of black men who are good husband prospects? Listen to the way the average pro athlete talks about his mother, it is like they have Stockholm Syndrome from their horrendous childhoods. Is there evidence black women are more likely to be faithful in marriage than black men? Black women don't get near the share of the blame they deserve for the state of the black family. That society has decided we should worship black women now is going to make the problems they create far worse.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    These sainted women (sic) are portrayed as faultless and the holy mothers of their churches but they sure seem to raise a lot of criminals.

  278. @Dissident
    @kaganovitch


    All through “Black History Month”, Amazon was running a banner on top of your individual page ‘buy from a black-owned business’. I myself always clicked on it because I figured it’s really a fellow Jew who is paying some Black guy a few cents to nominally own the business.
     
    I must say that out of more than a few pick-up and delivery laundry services I have tried over the years, the one that, by far, I have had the best experience with is owned and operated by a black woman.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @kaganovitch

    I must say that out of more than a few pick-up and delivery laundry services I have tried over the years, the one, by far, I have had the best experience with is owned and operated by a black woman.

    American or Caribbean?

  279. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dissident


    juvenile mocking of individuals with odious views for their physical appearance

     

    Au contraire. Physiognomy and looks are important components of HBD and are also major factors explaining much of the demographic hostility driving politics today, particularly anti-White politics and sexual ‘marketplace’ resentments. Loudmouth “odious” uggos should always be mocked. (Sympathy should be reserved for the unassuming who lack pulchritude.)

    that guy who repeatedly posts numerous photos (without even exercising the courtesy of using the MORE! tag)
     
    I agree, liberal use of the MORE tag would be appreciated from some regulars.

    And since you’re tallying tiresome posts, let me add to the bill your own long-running oh-so-coy NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts. GTFO with that shite.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident, @anon

    Physiognomy and looks are important components of HBD and are also major factors explaining much of the demographic hostility driving politics today…

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Quakers BTFO. Tough scene.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Dissident
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MCSS64oBvZU/hqdefault.jpg
    (Samuel T. Francis)
    https://counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/sam-t-francis.png

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6qUKRxykcxQ/maxresdefault.jpg
    (Kevin Michael Grace)

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  280. @Dissident
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Plastic slipcovers are standard among the Orthodox. Practical with large families.


    And by the way, it’s Sammy’s Roumanian.
     
    I had spelled it that way but my spell-checker intervened.

    Wasn't Sammy's Roumanian near the original 2nd Avenue Deli?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    Right you are about Sammy’s location: it was on Chrystie Street, physically the continuation of Second Avenue once you get south of Houston Street.

    The Second Avenue Deli was (big shock) on 2nd Ave. and 10th Street; it’s since relocated to 33rd Street between Lex and Third, with an uptown branch on First Avenue somewhere in the 70’s. I’ve been to the 33rd Street location a few times: not bad, but not the same (and twice the prices as the original).

    It’s getting hard out here for a fresser.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Gary in Gramercy


    The Second Avenue Deli was (big shock) on 2nd Ave. and 10th Street;
     
    I recall it well. My late father knew the owner (Abe Lebewhol, RIP, [1931-1996] shot dead while being robbed).

    It was there, over a can of Dr. Brown's soda (and whatever we were eating) that I, as a lad of no more than eight years old, told my grandfather something to the effect of: "I've thought about it a lot, and it all just adds-up to love." I was speaking of the spell I had fallen under of a ravishingly beautiful girl in my class. Remarkably similar to a story the legendary Jean Shepherd told of being similarly mesmerized when he was, If memory serves, only six.
    ~ ~ ~
    @kaganovitch: The black female owner-operator I had referenced was, as best I could tell, American.
    ~ ~ ~
    Has anyone else found a certain irony in Rosie's Constitutional arguments? Who will be left to advance them if the white ethnostate she dreams of ever becomes a reality? Will there be enough sufficiently qualified and competent (non-Jewish) whites to do so? After all, hasn't it always been Jews who have exploited such legal arguments in order to foist evils such as sexual deviancy, contraception, abortion and pornography upon the hapless, benighted goyim (in order to keep them submissive, subservient, and dependent)?

  281. @Kylie
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    "This why you people have been steadily losing. Blacks are a minority in your country. Your worst enemy (and mine, incidentally) are your fellow Whites."

    The worst enemies of conservative white people are liberal white women.

    They're not really your friends, either. They just pick you up to 1) signal their virtue and/or street cred and 2) use you as a cudgel against their fellow whites.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The worst enemies of conservative white people are liberal white women.

    They’re not really your friends, either. They just pick you up to 1) signal their virtue and/or street cred and 2) use you as a cudgel against their fellow whites.

    That’s in America. In Europe, they fly to the Caribbean and even Africa to canoodle with younger, local boys. Then dump them and go home.

    Female sex tourism in Jamaica: An assessment of perceptions

    Pattaya but backwards: Sex tourism in The Gambia

    Let’s Talk About Sex: Female Sex Tourism in The Gambia

    Is there a country more phallic than the Gambia in shape? (Perhaps Sweden or Norway with the help of scrotal Finland.) Especially in her (his?) relationship with Senegal.

  282. @Daniel Chieh
    @Bardon Kaldian


    As far as I know, this is how the modern normal male mind functions in a modern society (except if intoxicated or anything highly atypical, including fetishes).
     
    East Asian men have never really accepted this, possibly leading to a lot of neurosis. Female virginity is still commonly valorized and its absence in real life leads to a lot of frustration.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Rosie, @Twinkie

    East Asian men have never really accepted this, possibly leading to a lot of neurosis. Female virginity is still commonly valorized and its absence in real life leads to a lot of frustration.

    1. Chastity should be “valorized.”

    2. Several East Asian counties/regions have demonstrably conservative sexual mores:

    • Agree: Dissident
  283. @Jim Christian
    @Rosie

    Well, Rosie, their women are sluts, the men ain't happy about it. THAT'S exactly what feminism achieved.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Daniel Chieh

    Well, Rosie, their women are sluts

    See the data in my comment above.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Twinkie

    What data, where?

  284. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Physiognomy and looks are important components of HBD and are also major factors explaining much of the demographic hostility driving politics today...
     
    https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/53aa807/2147483647/thumbnail/640x420/quality/85/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.beam.usnews.com%2F0c%2F70%2F960677764ea3bd8854c0ad2f4704%2Fap-600926026.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Dissident

    Quakers BTFO. Tough scene.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Three WASPS, but only one wasn't ugly:


    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/82/9a/fb/829afb9fcbef710820c9447aaa81bc18--mm-film-bombshells.jpg


    Any ideas for a Whittaker Chambers pumpkin this Halloween? If only excerpts from his notorious high school valedictory speech were extant.

  285. I don’t suppose we could block black men from selecting white women?

  286. @Rosie
    @Bardon Kaldian


    So, from the perspective of normally possessive male in a marriage, he, if she is not a virgin anymore, has got partially “damaged goods”;
     
    Women are not "goods," and therefore cannot be "damaged goods."

    There is no pilpul that will ever make this attitude acceptable.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jim Christian, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Colin Wright

    ‘Women are not “goods,” and therefore cannot be “damaged goods.”

    ‘There is no pilpul that will ever make this attitude acceptable.’

    You can accept it or not as you please.

    It’s still there.

  287. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar

    Quakers BTFO. Tough scene.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Three WASPS, but only one wasn’t ugly:

    Any ideas for a Whittaker Chambers pumpkin this Halloween? If only excerpts from his notorious high school valedictory speech were extant.

  288. @Rosie
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Perhaps, but it means they are normal. Unfortunately, sticking to the idealized situations no longer exist leads to unhappiness.

    Normal, yet unhappy.
     
    There is nothing remotely "normal" about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.

    To say it is "normal" for men to think this way is to call men psychopaths.

    Of course, even if it is normal, that in no way establishes that it is correct, despite the tendency on the dissident right to treat men’s conduct as ipso facto morally righteous.

    Replies: @anon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.

    Many women as well as men view the other sex through utilitarian glasses. Just in different ways. Parents also have their own “utilities” for prospective sons- or daughters-in-law.

    All this is defensible up to a point. It’s when the other person’s or family’s or sex’s interests are disregarded that it becomes an issue.

    As science and Scripture agree, it’s all about the children.

    • Agree: Twinkie, Dissident, TWS
    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Reg Cæsar


    Many women as well as men view the other sex through utilitarian glasses. Just in different ways.
     
    No, we really don't, and you know it.

    Take the following two statements:

    1) A beautiful woman will always be able to find a desirable partner.
    2) A man who earns good living will always be able to find a desirable partner.

    The first statement is true and the second is false.

    Yet, even if you were right, there is a shamelessness about it on men’s part that one does not find among women. We know it is wrong to objectify people (to be avoided or minimized rather than bragged about), whereas you do not to understand this basic moral truth.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    , @Rosie
    @Reg Cæsar


    As science and Scripture agree, it’s all about the children.
     
    Hey Reg, what about this part of Scripture?

    https://biblia.com/bible/esv/deuteronomy/22/28-29

    If taking a woman's virginity "damages" her, shouldn't the womanizer be forced to marry her?

    Or do you only use the bits you like?

    https://cbmw.org/2018/03/05/did-old-testament-law-force-a-woman-to-marry-her-rapist/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  289. @Rosie
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Perhaps, but it means they are normal. Unfortunately, sticking to the idealized situations no longer exist leads to unhappiness.

    Normal, yet unhappy.
     
    There is nothing remotely "normal" about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.

    To say it is "normal" for men to think this way is to call men psychopaths.

    Of course, even if it is normal, that in no way establishes that it is correct, despite the tendency on the dissident right to treat men’s conduct as ipso facto morally righteous.

    Replies: @anon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.

    Valuing chastity is not just utilitarian. As with many other aspects of love and courtship, there are both utilitarian and spiritual dimensions to seeking a chaste wife.

    But we’ve been around the block on this topic, haven’t we?

    I mean this quite sincerely and do not write this with malice – you really ought to let go of your mother’s history and your own circumstances in evaluating what is and is not good for most people and the society we share. You supposedly have children. I certainly do. We ought to strive to help our children be better than we were, no?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Twinkie


    I mean this quite sincerely and do not write this with malice – you really ought to let go of your mother’s history and your own circumstances in evaluating what is and is not good for most people and the society we share.
     
    You can’t help yourself, can you Twinkles? You always resort to personal attacks, though here you attempt to cloak it in fake concern and civility.

    As I have said elsewhere, if you believe premarital sex is that harmful, then you should advocate antifornication statutes, not informal tabos that you know perfectly well will be directed at only one sex.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Rosie
    @Twinkie

    And by the way, Twinkles, if we're going to look at the harm that comes of premarital sex, we certainly ought to also look at the harm that results from obsessing about it.

    Virginity obsession tends to seriously undermine women's freedom to choose theor own mates. Their parents effectively imprison them in order to prevent them from becoming "damaged." If you can't date, you can't find a husband of your choosing.

    In the worst cases, parents are so concerned about their daughters being "damaged" that they marry them off as children to men three times their age, so their husbands can be assured of their virginity.

    The Amish are very serious about free courtship, and a "running around" period is institutionalized for them. That this will include premarital sex is understood. They even allow "bed courtship," no bundling board. Yet, their families are doing just fine, thank you very much.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Truth
    @Twinkie


    But we’ve been around the block on this topic, haven’t we?
     
    Why, yes I believe that to be the case. Roughly two-to-three times a week.
  290. @Thatgirl
    @jon

    Norah Jones - daughter of Quincy Jones and Indian mother and, of course, Kamala Harris.

    Replies: @CCG

    No, Norah Jones isn’t the daughter of Quincy Jones and an Indian mother. She’s the extramarital daughter of Indian sitarist Ravi Shankar and a White music producer named Sue Jones (Ravi Shankar was married to another Indian sitarist named Annapurna Devi at the time).

  291. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Physiognomy and looks are important components of HBD and are also major factors explaining much of the demographic hostility driving politics today...
     
    https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/53aa807/2147483647/thumbnail/640x420/quality/85/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.beam.usnews.com%2F0c%2F70%2F960677764ea3bd8854c0ad2f4704%2Fap-600926026.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Dissident


    (Samuel T. Francis)

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Dissident

    https://storage.googleapis.com/conservativereview/2019/09/f519be0e-rep.-jerrold-nadler-leaves-congress_2019_09_12_zach-gibson.jpeg

    https://www.wnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/adam-schiff-eyes-cspan-video-jpg.jpg

    http://s3-origin-images.politico.com/2013/07/18/130718_steve_cohen_ap_328.jpg

    Replies: @Dissident

  292. @Liberty Mike
    @Almost Missouri

    The text of the 9th amendment would appear to protect the right to privacy:

    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    The right to be left alone is a hallmark of a free and civilized society.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Leaving aside that the 9th and 10th Amendments have largely been abandoned by our judicial elites, you can go back to Rosie‘s original comment:

    I guess sooner or later a person’s online dating history will be grounds for cancel[l]ation

    which is probably true. But she followed it up with,

    technically the right to privacy is on the books

    which I maintain is not true, at least not in the sense meant here of preventing someone from speaking about someone else, nor can it be true so long as the right to free speech exists.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Almost Missouri

    AM, you are wrong about this. I replied above but didn't click reply. See comment # 240.

    You are talking about a different kind of privacy.

  293. @anon
    @Rosie

    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that,

    PET scans do not agree with your "ought". Why, it's almost as if there are deep biological differences between the sexes stemming from long term biological stresses and interactions!

    Or, to quote a book you've never read, "Male and female He made them".

    Replies: @Rosie

    Or, to quote a book you’ve never read, “Male and female He made them”.

    Lol I doubt you know half as much about that book as I do.

    PET scans do not agree with your “ought”.

    So what?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Rosie


    PET scans do not agree with your “ought”.
     
    So what?

    What I just wrote:

    " Why, it’s almost as if there are deep biological differences between the sexes stemming from long term biological stresses and interactions!"

    Reality is real despite all of your tantrums about what ought to be true.


    Or, to quote a book you’ve never read, “Male and female He made them”.
     
    Lol I doubt you know half as much about that book as I do.

    Irrelevent. You cannot accept either biology or Biblical facts regarding men and women, because such things are offensive to your ought.

    Reality doesn't care about your opinion.

  294. @Twinkie
    @Rosie


    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.
     
    Valuing chastity is not just utilitarian. As with many other aspects of love and courtship, there are both utilitarian and spiritual dimensions to seeking a chaste wife.

    But we've been around the block on this topic, haven't we?

    I mean this quite sincerely and do not write this with malice - you really ought to let go of your mother's history and your own circumstances in evaluating what is and is not good for most people and the society we share. You supposedly have children. I certainly do. We ought to strive to help our children be better than we were, no?

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie, @Truth

    I mean this quite sincerely and do not write this with malice – you really ought to let go of your mother’s history and your own circumstances in evaluating what is and is not good for most people and the society we share.

    You can’t help yourself, can you Twinkles? You always resort to personal attacks, though here you attempt to cloak it in fake concern and civility.

    As I have said elsewhere, if you believe premarital sex is that harmful, then you should advocate antifornication statutes, not informal tabos that you know perfectly well will be directed at only one sex.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Rosie


    You can’t help yourself, can you Twinkles? You always resort to personal attacks
     
    Look in the mirror and stop projecting.

    fake concern and civility
     
    I am civil. That I disagree with you is not uncivil. Your incessant name-calling, cursing, and angry words, however, are. And I did not write what I wrote out of concern - fake or otherwise. I merely called it exactly as I saw it - that you get triggered easily when the subject of female chastity is raised, because of your mother's and your own sexual history as you elaborated in past comments. And this takes up bandwidth and prevents the discussions regarding the subject from progressing. But if you think I am somehow attacking you in some devious way, well, there is nothing else I can say to assuage you and any conversation between us is going to be simply unproductive.

    As I have said elsewhere, if you believe premarital sex is that harmful, then you should advocate antifornication statutes
     
    I am not an authoritarian and don't believe in forcing people to behave as I wish. Moreover, I believe that all virtue is necessarily voluntary and forcing people to be fake-virtuous destroys real virtue. But you knew that already too.

    informal tabos that you know perfectly well will be directed at only one sex.
     
    No, I do not "perfectly well" know that it "will be directed at only one sex." You keep repeating it does not make it so. I am on record stating - clearly as day - that both men and women ought to be chaste and that virtuous men and women ought to avoid the company of those who are not. What you must be confusing and arguing against appears to be biology - I have written as well that, by the reasons of biological differences, female promiscuity tends to incur higher costs than male promiscuity ("eggs are expensive, sperms are cheap"), just as female sexuality has an incredible blessing (the ability to conceive and carry a child) that males do not. Men and women are not the same and precisely where they are the most different (sexuality is such a sphere*) the benefits and costs of behaviors within such a sphere are also different.

    *E.g. A man can impregnate dozens, perhaps even hundreds of women in 9 months. A woman can only have one child (or in highly unusual cases, a few children) in the same time frame.
  295. @Reg Cæsar
    @Rosie


    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.

     

    Many women as well as men view the other sex through utilitarian glasses. Just in different ways. Parents also have their own "utilities" for prospective sons- or daughters-in-law.

    All this is defensible up to a point. It's when the other person's or family's or sex's interests are disregarded that it becomes an issue.

    As science and Scripture agree, it's all about the children.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie

    Many women as well as men view the other sex through utilitarian glasses. Just in different ways.

    No, we really don’t, and you know it.

    Take the following two statements:

    1) A beautiful woman will always be able to find a desirable partner.
    2) A man who earns good living will always be able to find a desirable partner.

    The first statement is true and the second is false.

    Yet, even if you were right, there is a shamelessness about it on men’s part that one does not find among women. We know it is wrong to objectify people (to be avoided or minimized rather than bragged about), whereas you do not to understand this basic moral truth.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Rosie

    A man who earns a good living will always find a desirable partner. Proof positive that you believe women chase money. In other words, women monetize their sexuality. We know, Rosie, we get it. Our entire lives we get it. There is always a price.

  296. @Twinkie
    @Rosie


    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.
     
    Valuing chastity is not just utilitarian. As with many other aspects of love and courtship, there are both utilitarian and spiritual dimensions to seeking a chaste wife.

    But we've been around the block on this topic, haven't we?

    I mean this quite sincerely and do not write this with malice - you really ought to let go of your mother's history and your own circumstances in evaluating what is and is not good for most people and the society we share. You supposedly have children. I certainly do. We ought to strive to help our children be better than we were, no?

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie, @Truth

    And by the way, Twinkles, if we’re going to look at the harm that comes of premarital sex, we certainly ought to also look at the harm that results from obsessing about it.

    Virginity obsession tends to seriously undermine women’s freedom to choose theor own mates. Their parents effectively imprison them in order to prevent them from becoming “damaged.” If you can’t date, you can’t find a husband of your choosing.

    In the worst cases, parents are so concerned about their daughters being “damaged” that they marry them off as children to men three times their age, so their husbands can be assured of their virginity.

    The Amish are very serious about free courtship, and a “running around” period is institutionalized for them. That this will include premarital sex is understood. They even allow “bed courtship,” no bundling board. Yet, their families are doing just fine, thank you very much.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Rosie


    And by the way, Twinkles, if we’re going to look at the harm that comes of premarital sex, we certainly ought to also look at the harm that results from obsessing about it.
     
    "If we are going to look at the harm that comes with drug abuse, we certainly ought to look at the harm that results from obsessing about it."

    That sentence from you is not a substantive argument at all - it's classic whatabout-ism. You can say that about criticism of any negative behavior. And by using a loaded term such as "obsession," you are pretty clearly indicating that you have no interest in discussing the subject rationally and are simply ascribing negative psychology to your interlocutor.

    The Amish are very serious about free courtship, and a “running around” period is institutionalized for them. That this will include premarital sex is understood.
     
    I lived next to the Amish for several years in the Midwest. When I farmed for my in-laws, I had quite a few dealings with them (I also bought A LOT of furniture and leather goods over the years from them, as they are the last remaining non-hipster, traditional wood- and leather-workers in the U.S.).

    Rumspringa is NOT what sensational TV programs portray. Most Amish young men and women who enter the Rumspringa period stay within their communities and engage in courtship to find spouses, and dramatic transgressions of their community norms are pretty rare (they might try drinking, miss worship service, go dancing and such, but they are mostly not engaging in drug use or sex as portrayed in the media).

    I might also note that some of their communities engage in a practice you find abhorrent to a very high degree - a very harsh shunning of those who violate the community norms, including, fornication and adultery.
  297. @Almost Missouri
    @Liberty Mike

    Leaving aside that the 9th and 10th Amendments have largely been abandoned by our judicial elites, you can go back to Rosie's original comment:


    I guess sooner or later a person’s online dating history will be grounds for cancel[l]ation
     
    which is probably true. But she followed it up with,

    technically the right to privacy is on the books
     
    which I maintain is not true, at least not in the sense meant here of preventing someone from speaking about someone else, nor can it be true so long as the right to free speech exists.

    Replies: @Rosie

    AM, you are wrong about this. I replied above but didn’t click reply. See comment # 240.

    You are talking about a different kind of privacy.

  298. @Reg Cæsar
    @Rosie


    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.

     

    Many women as well as men view the other sex through utilitarian glasses. Just in different ways. Parents also have their own "utilities" for prospective sons- or daughters-in-law.

    All this is defensible up to a point. It's when the other person's or family's or sex's interests are disregarded that it becomes an issue.

    As science and Scripture agree, it's all about the children.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie

    As science and Scripture agree, it’s all about the children.

    Hey Reg, what about this part of Scripture?

    https://biblia.com/bible/esv/deuteronomy/22/28-29

    If taking a woman’s virginity “damages” her, shouldn’t the womanizer be forced to marry her?

    Or do you only use the bits you like?

    https://cbmw.org/2018/03/05/did-old-testament-law-force-a-woman-to-marry-her-rapist/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Rosie


    If taking a woman’s virginity “damages” her, shouldn’t the womanizer be forced to marry her?

     

    Ah, the old "shotgun wedding"! Trouble is, the shotgun once used to force Lamar to give his baby a name is now used to shoo Lemaricus away.

    Replies: @Rosie

  299. @Jim Christian
    @Rosie

    Hey Rosie, as long as women monetize their beauty, sue for sex "improprieties" and select husbands by income, not to mention a million other ways women pick men's pockets, they're "goods" or much more accurately, a commodity. Even half-fuggly, a skinny girl without tatts and other stupid adornments can find a man to support her in fine style. Commodity, she monetized her mind, body and soul, see? You don't get to have the one without recognizing the other. And you certainly don't get to bitch about mens' recognition of the game..Yet always a hoot, Rosie!

    Replies: @Rosie

    Hey Rosie, as long as women monetize their beauty, sue for sex “improprieties” and select husbands by income, not to mention a million other ways women pick men’s pockets, they’re “goods” or much more accurately, a commodity.

    It’s ok for women to treat men like ATMs because they treat us like sex objects. It’s ok for men to treat women like objects, because they treat men like ATMs.

    Round and round it goes.
    Where it stops, nobody knows.

    Also, women who seek to earn their own living are selfish careerists, and women who seek a man who can provide for them are whores.

    It’s the usual no-win situation for women around here.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Rosie

    Oh, poor women. You set the agenda, in mating, you make the rules. We men play the game according to women's wants. It's nothing to do with around here, problem for those of you women afflicted with victimitus is, here, our truth-telling isn't deleted, you have to answer for the depravity of your gender, not to mention cowardice in refusing to confront the trans-revolution that will steal your White feminist privilege. You don't march against that, that would be difficult. So you White and jewish women bitch about hetero White men, conflate that with supposed White men-as-racist specifically so you do NOT have to confront the trannies who are stealing your privilege. It is the feminist movement roiling the racist waters and far more than blacks. The good part? Blacks are noticing how privileged White/jewish women are and are demanding a slice of the pie White/Jewish women denied to them. You broads are the next phase of the replacement. And I could not be happier. But don't blame it on "around here". I don't want to hear it. You resort to the "around here" trope because you are flat out of answers in defense of your 60 years of destructive feminist depravity and you damned well know it. Still, we love you.

  300. @Jim Christian
    @Rosie

    Well, Rosie, their women are sluts, the men ain't happy about it. THAT'S exactly what feminism achieved.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Daniel Chieh

    More to do with a cultural awareness of the fake and gay concept of individuality.

  301. Is female virginity only valued in agricultural societies? It seems like in Hunter-gatherer societies, where there is almost nothing to inherit, paternity isn’t much of an issue.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Foreign Expert

    Yes.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Peter_Nimitz/status/1280302197507420160

  302. @Dissident
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MCSS64oBvZU/hqdefault.jpg
    (Samuel T. Francis)
    https://counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/sam-t-francis.png

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6qUKRxykcxQ/maxresdefault.jpg
    (Kevin Michael Grace)

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @William Badwhite

    To be clear, my point was not to denigrate or detract from either of the individuals whom I posted unflattering images of. Rather, I merely meant to add to the point I understood Reg to be making.

    In summary, the mere physical/visual appearance of an individual is a poor gauge of the validity or merits of his arguments and views. Good-looking people can (and often do) make awful arguments and hold awful views, while awful-looking people can (and often do) make good or even great arguments, etc.
    Judge a book not by the mere aesthetics of its cover.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  303. @Rosie

    That’s a due process case, not a privacy case. The word “privacy” doesn’t even appear in it.
     
    AM, please don't opine about things you are totally ignorant of. The "right to privacy" in the constitutional sense refers precisely to substantive due process.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Substantive_due_process#:~:text=are%20infringed%20upon.-,Privacy%20as%20a%20substantive%20right,constitutionally%20protected%20right%20to%20privacy.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    The “right to privacy” in the constitutional sense

    “Right to privacy” is not in the Constitution.

    refers precisely to substantive due process.

    Sorry to break it to you, but this is mistaken on several levels.

    First of all, “right to privacy” cannot “refer precisely” to “substantive due process” since every privacy case would have to be a “substantive due process” case and vice versa, and that is self evidently not the case. So no, it does not “refer precisely”.

    Second of all, “substantive due process” itself is a fake and gay term spun out of a pedestrian distinction in 14th Amendment jurisprudence a century after the 14th Amendment was ratified. The term also does not appear in the Constitution. Since then, leftist lawyers have used the term to invoke a vague and undefinable set rights that they can grant and revoke at whim irrespective of actual Constitutionality. Freedom of association? Freedom of contract? “Pound sand!” Freedom to kill your baby? Freedom to gaymarry? “Oo oo, substantive due process!”

    Third of all, even if you believe in the “substantive due process” hoax, it still won’t help you protect your online dating history, which you might recall was the original comment that sparked this little debate. Online dating history exists. Things that exist can be talked about and reacted to. Therefore online dating history can be talked about and reacted to. Shouting “privacy!” or “substantive due process!” at it won’t change that.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Almost Missouri

    I am going to repeat my advice to you above. Do not opine about things you know nothing of.


    “Right to privacy” is not in the Constitution.
     
    The Supreme Court disagreed, and their decision was amply justified by reference to the penumbrae of various specific provisions of the constitution as well as long-established common law rights.

    If you don't recognize that the Ninth Amendment covers a situation like that, then you are effectively reading it out of the constitution and pretending it isn't there. Why the hell you would want to do that is beyond me. The Ninth Amendment was included specifically to preclude the ordinary rule of construction that expressio unios exclusio alterius.

    Online dating history exists. Things that exist can be talked about and reacted to. Therefore online dating history can be talked about and reacted to. Shouting “privacy!” or “substantive due process!” at it won’t change that.

     

    You are talking about the right to "privacy" as in protection from publicity. That has nothing to do with the Constitutional right to substantive due process (privacy as in freedom from government interference in decisions of a private nature.) Now, you are correct that the Constitutional right to privacy will not help anyone who is being harassed by nongovernmental actors. If you had read my initial comment carefully, which you clearly didn't, you would have noted that I said:


    Of course, if the government does it, we can always fall back on those penumbrae so many around here find so objectionable. Granted, they’d probably find some way around it, but technically the right to privacy is on the books.
     
    I respect you, AM, but you're out of your depth on this issue.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  304. @Bill Jones
    @Known Fact

    I dated a Jewess for a while when I first moved to Sodom on Hudson.
    It was hoot. she was plugging away at a PHD in psychology which I found endlessly amusing.
    She was still bugging my friends three years after I'd moved on.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Sounds like you had the standard-issue NYC experience and were fortunate to not get in too deep. Of the two I knew (not in NY) one was the complete package but shot me down. The other was also quite attractive and was eager to spawn some Jewish super-babies with me — but despite the usual stereotype she was extremely soft-spoken and tedious to be around (aside from the physical stuff). So I had to shoot her down. If she’d been a little livelier and brassier I might have bit

  305. @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie


    The “right to privacy” in the constitutional sense
     
    "Right to privacy" is not in the Constitution.

    refers precisely to substantive due process.
     
    Sorry to break it to you, but this is mistaken on several levels.

    First of all, "right to privacy" cannot "refer precisely" to "substantive due process" since every privacy case would have to be a "substantive due process" case and vice versa, and that is self evidently not the case. So no, it does not "refer precisely".

    Second of all, "substantive due process" itself is a fake and gay term spun out of a pedestrian distinction in 14th Amendment jurisprudence a century after the 14th Amendment was ratified. The term also does not appear in the Constitution. Since then, leftist lawyers have used the term to invoke a vague and undefinable set rights that they can grant and revoke at whim irrespective of actual Constitutionality. Freedom of association? Freedom of contract? "Pound sand!" Freedom to kill your baby? Freedom to gaymarry? "Oo oo, substantive due process!"

    Third of all, even if you believe in the "substantive due process" hoax, it still won't help you protect your online dating history, which you might recall was the original comment that sparked this little debate. Online dating history exists. Things that exist can be talked about and reacted to. Therefore online dating history can be talked about and reacted to. Shouting "privacy!" or "substantive due process!" at it won't change that.

    Replies: @Rosie

    I am going to repeat my advice to you above. Do not opine about things you know nothing of.

    “Right to privacy” is not in the Constitution.

    The Supreme Court disagreed, and their decision was amply justified by reference to the penumbrae of various specific provisions of the constitution as well as long-established common law rights.

    If you don’t recognize that the Ninth Amendment covers a situation like that, then you are effectively reading it out of the constitution and pretending it isn’t there. Why the hell you would want to do that is beyond me. The Ninth Amendment was included specifically to preclude the ordinary rule of construction that expressio unios exclusio alterius.

    Online dating history exists. Things that exist can be talked about and reacted to. Therefore online dating history can be talked about and reacted to. Shouting “privacy!” or “substantive due process!” at it won’t change that.

    You are talking about the right to “privacy” as in protection from publicity. That has nothing to do with the Constitutional right to substantive due process (privacy as in freedom from government interference in decisions of a private nature.) Now, you are correct that the Constitutional right to privacy will not help anyone who is being harassed by nongovernmental actors. If you had read my initial comment carefully, which you clearly didn’t, you would have noted that I said:

    Of course, if the government does it, we can always fall back on those penumbrae so many around here find so objectionable. Granted, they’d probably find some way around it, but technically the right to privacy is on the books.

    I respect you, AM, but you’re out of your depth on this issue.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie



    “Right to privacy” is not in the Constitution.
     
    The Supreme Court disagreed
     
    You don't need the Supreme Court to tell you in a million pages what's in four pages of text. Just do a Ctrl-F for "privacy" on this. It ain't in there. The Supreme Court has kinda sorta ruled occasionally for something vaguely privacy-ish under the rubric of "substantive due process", but the principle they are claiming is "substantive due process", not privacy.

    If you don’t recognize that the Ninth Amendment covers a situation like that, then you are effectively reading it out of the constitution and pretending it isn’t there. Why the hell you would want to do that is beyond me.
     
    As mentioned earlier, it is the judicial elites, not I, who have effectively read the Ninth Amendment out of the Constitution. I wish they hadn't, but I wasn't consulted. This isn't about my (or your) preferences, it's just about the way things are.

    You are talking about the right to “privacy” as in protection from publicity.
     
    It would be more accurate to say "the prevention of publicity".

    That has nothing to do with the Constitutional right to substantive due process
     
    Correct. Which is why "substantive due process" won't keep your online dating history from being publicized.


    if the government does it, we can always fall back on those penumbrae so many around here find so objectionable.
     

     
    No need for "penumbrae". The Fourth Amendment is black letter law. And unlike "substantive due process", it's actually in the Constitution.

    Replies: @Rosie

  306. @Twinkie
    @Rosie


    There is nothing remotely “normal” about seeing a woman as a utilitarian object that, like a car, loses value when it is driven off the lot.
     
    Valuing chastity is not just utilitarian. As with many other aspects of love and courtship, there are both utilitarian and spiritual dimensions to seeking a chaste wife.

    But we've been around the block on this topic, haven't we?

    I mean this quite sincerely and do not write this with malice - you really ought to let go of your mother's history and your own circumstances in evaluating what is and is not good for most people and the society we share. You supposedly have children. I certainly do. We ought to strive to help our children be better than we were, no?

    Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie, @Truth

    But we’ve been around the block on this topic, haven’t we?

    Why, yes I believe that to be the case. Roughly two-to-three times a week.

  307. @Rosie
    @Almost Missouri

    I am going to repeat my advice to you above. Do not opine about things you know nothing of.


    “Right to privacy” is not in the Constitution.
     
    The Supreme Court disagreed, and their decision was amply justified by reference to the penumbrae of various specific provisions of the constitution as well as long-established common law rights.

    If you don't recognize that the Ninth Amendment covers a situation like that, then you are effectively reading it out of the constitution and pretending it isn't there. Why the hell you would want to do that is beyond me. The Ninth Amendment was included specifically to preclude the ordinary rule of construction that expressio unios exclusio alterius.

    Online dating history exists. Things that exist can be talked about and reacted to. Therefore online dating history can be talked about and reacted to. Shouting “privacy!” or “substantive due process!” at it won’t change that.

     

    You are talking about the right to "privacy" as in protection from publicity. That has nothing to do with the Constitutional right to substantive due process (privacy as in freedom from government interference in decisions of a private nature.) Now, you are correct that the Constitutional right to privacy will not help anyone who is being harassed by nongovernmental actors. If you had read my initial comment carefully, which you clearly didn't, you would have noted that I said:


    Of course, if the government does it, we can always fall back on those penumbrae so many around here find so objectionable. Granted, they’d probably find some way around it, but technically the right to privacy is on the books.
     
    I respect you, AM, but you're out of your depth on this issue.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    “Right to privacy” is not in the Constitution.

    The Supreme Court disagreed

    You don’t need the Supreme Court to tell you in a million pages what’s in four pages of text. Just do a Ctrl-F for “privacy” on this. It ain’t in there. The Supreme Court has kinda sorta ruled occasionally for something vaguely privacy-ish under the rubric of “substantive due process”, but the principle they are claiming is “substantive due process”, not privacy.

    If you don’t recognize that the Ninth Amendment covers a situation like that, then you are effectively reading it out of the constitution and pretending it isn’t there. Why the hell you would want to do that is beyond me.

    As mentioned earlier, it is the judicial elites, not I, who have effectively read the Ninth Amendment out of the Constitution. I wish they hadn’t, but I wasn’t consulted. This isn’t about my (or your) preferences, it’s just about the way things are.

    You are talking about the right to “privacy” as in protection from publicity.

    It would be more accurate to say “the prevention of publicity”.

    That has nothing to do with the Constitutional right to substantive due process

    Correct. Which is why “substantive due process” won’t keep your online dating history from being publicized.

    if the government does it, we can always fall back on those penumbrae so many around here find so objectionable.

    No need for “penumbrae”. The Fourth Amendment is black letter law. And unlike “substantive due process”, it’s actually in the Constitution.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Almost Missouri


    The Supreme Court has kinda sorta ruled occasionally for something vaguely privacy-ish under the rubric of “substantive due process”, but the principle they are claiming is “substantive due process”, not privacy.
     
    Your objection to the use of the term "privacy" in reference to freedom from governmental interference is semantic and pointless. It is a legal term of art that works just fine.

    As mentioned earlier, it is the judicial elites, not I, who have effectively read the Ninth Amendment out of the Constitution.
     
    How so?

    Not that it matters. Ignoring the Ninth Amendment is bad, and especially bad for Whites, either way. Why you would want to further empower a government that hates you is, once again, beyond me. If you have no right to, say, use birth control, because the Constitution doesn't come right and say so in as many words, do you have a right to not use it? How about a China-style one-child policy? You sh!t all over the spirit of the Constitution while obsessing about the letter, even though the Ninth Amendment specifically says you're not supposed to do that.


    Correct. Which is why “substantive due process” won’t keep your online dating history from being publicized.

     

    And of course, I didn't say that it would. What it may do is prevent the government from acting on it in certain ways. Of course, I even acknowledged that it may not even do that, so I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.


    No need for “penumbrae”. The Fourth Amendment is black letter law. And unlike “substantive due process”, it’s actually in the Constitution.
     
    AM, just stop. Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  308. @Gamecock
    Dating site customers will decide if race is important to them.

    Removing race preferences likely will lose them 99% of their customers.

    Cirrusly, a dating site that won't let you select for who you want? What kinda business model is that?

    Replies: @Etruscan Film Star

    Dating site customers will decide if race is important to them. Removing race preferences likely will lose them 99% of their customers.

    You bet it’s an idiotic business model. What next, a supermarket where all the cans have their labels removed and all packaging is blocked from view? So no one can discriminate by not buying tortillas or grape soda?

    Dating site roulette is one more example of how even the quest for profit eats dust compared with woke ideology. Will sanity ever return?

  309. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dissident


    juvenile mocking of individuals with odious views for their physical appearance

     

    Au contraire. Physiognomy and looks are important components of HBD and are also major factors explaining much of the demographic hostility driving politics today, particularly anti-White politics and sexual ‘marketplace’ resentments. Loudmouth “odious” uggos should always be mocked. (Sympathy should be reserved for the unassuming who lack pulchritude.)

    that guy who repeatedly posts numerous photos (without even exercising the courtesy of using the MORE! tag)
     
    I agree, liberal use of the MORE tag would be appreciated from some regulars.

    And since you’re tallying tiresome posts, let me add to the bill your own long-running oh-so-coy NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts. GTFO with that shite.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident, @anon

    And since you’re tallying tiresome posts, let me add to the bill your own long-running oh-so-coy NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts.

    That’s a rather tendentious characterization, is it not?

    Actually, tendentious would be an understatement. If nothing else, your use of nonce makes libelous more apt.

    How much of my musings on my fascination with boys and related topics have you actually even read? Can you cite an example from an actual post of mine in support of your lurid characterizations?

    Not even two full days ago, in an earlier post to this very thread, I wrote,

    [After condemning a number of sexual aberrations, including] …the vile, inherently brutal, gruesome, objectively unwholesome act of buggery…

    And to think that some people would brand me as a reprobate simply for finding erotic appeal in adolescent boys…

    More precisely, that is part of a far broader, more complex fascination with such creatures that I have. And, critically, even the erotic aspect is quite different– in ways that are unequivocally redeeming— than that which most people would assume.

    I present below a representative sampling of past comments of mine that are germane to the topic-at-hand and related ones. This is for the reader with the interest and intelligence to properly read and parse my comments, and the decency and integrity to assess them reasonably, with fairness and accuracy.

    [MORE]

    Particular Depravity of Intergenerational Buggery vs. A Radically Different Hypothetical (2019, September)

    Similar comment, from August 2019, in which I offer essentially the same hypothetical (though worded/formatted with some differences, some of which make this earlier version superior to the later one linked above) but also raise an additional point that I sum-up with the pointed question,

    How many adolescents have been ruined, condemned to a life of depravity and extraordinary high risk of disease and early death, by the propaganda and proselytizing of what FROT* advocate Bill Weintraub calls The Buttf–k Dictatorship?

    Outline for Comprehensive, Compassionate, Multipronged Response to Same-Sex Attraction (2020, October)

    Attraction to Boys in Otherwise Heterosexual Males (2019, November)

    Restraining Influence of Female Critical to Unique Wholesomeness of Heterosexuality (August 2019)

    As for the images of boys I have posted, I would challenge anyone to argue that any of them have been less-than-wholesome.

    In response to the complaint that any of the posts of mine in-question are “tiresome”:

    Subjectively, anything can be tiresome.

    Objectively, who else offers the particular perspective, viewpoint, style, and aesthetic that I, with said posts, bring? The meticulously considered, painstakingly qualified, comprehensive set of sensibilities, principles and ideals? Does anyone?

    Is there even another established commenter here who has gone on record as merely being bisexual in his proclivities, let alone admitted-to fancying adolescent boys, let alone one to have done either of those while also remaining consistently and defiantly heteronormative, traditionalist, and conservative in cultural and aesthetic matters?

  310. @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie



    “Right to privacy” is not in the Constitution.
     
    The Supreme Court disagreed
     
    You don't need the Supreme Court to tell you in a million pages what's in four pages of text. Just do a Ctrl-F for "privacy" on this. It ain't in there. The Supreme Court has kinda sorta ruled occasionally for something vaguely privacy-ish under the rubric of "substantive due process", but the principle they are claiming is "substantive due process", not privacy.

    If you don’t recognize that the Ninth Amendment covers a situation like that, then you are effectively reading it out of the constitution and pretending it isn’t there. Why the hell you would want to do that is beyond me.
     
    As mentioned earlier, it is the judicial elites, not I, who have effectively read the Ninth Amendment out of the Constitution. I wish they hadn't, but I wasn't consulted. This isn't about my (or your) preferences, it's just about the way things are.

    You are talking about the right to “privacy” as in protection from publicity.
     
    It would be more accurate to say "the prevention of publicity".

    That has nothing to do with the Constitutional right to substantive due process
     
    Correct. Which is why "substantive due process" won't keep your online dating history from being publicized.


    if the government does it, we can always fall back on those penumbrae so many around here find so objectionable.
     

     
    No need for "penumbrae". The Fourth Amendment is black letter law. And unlike "substantive due process", it's actually in the Constitution.

    Replies: @Rosie

    The Supreme Court has kinda sorta ruled occasionally for something vaguely privacy-ish under the rubric of “substantive due process”, but the principle they are claiming is “substantive due process”, not privacy.

    Your objection to the use of the term “privacy” in reference to freedom from governmental interference is semantic and pointless. It is a legal term of art that works just fine.

    As mentioned earlier, it is the judicial elites, not I, who have effectively read the Ninth Amendment out of the Constitution.

    How so?

    Not that it matters. Ignoring the Ninth Amendment is bad, and especially bad for Whites, either way. Why you would want to further empower a government that hates you is, once again, beyond me. If you have no right to, say, use birth control, because the Constitution doesn’t come right and say so in as many words, do you have a right to not use it? How about a China-style one-child policy? You sh!t all over the spirit of the Constitution while obsessing about the letter, even though the Ninth Amendment specifically says you’re not supposed to do that.

    Correct. Which is why “substantive due process” won’t keep your online dating history from being publicized.

    And of course, I didn’t say that it would. What it may do is prevent the government from acting on it in certain ways. Of course, I even acknowledged that it may not even do that, so I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about.

    No need for “penumbrae”. The Fourth Amendment is black letter law. And unlike “substantive due process”, it’s actually in the Constitution.

    AM, just stop. Once again, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie


    Your objection to the use of the term “privacy” in reference to freedom from governmental interference is semantic and pointless.
     
    Examples of freedom from governmental interference that are not "privacy": freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the freedom to petition for redress of grievances, the freedom to self-defend, etc.

    In other words, most freedom from governmental interference is not "privacy".


    Ignoring the Ninth Amendment is bad, and especially bad for Whites, either way.
     
    True, but then that's probably why the judicial elites like to ignore it.

    Why you would want to further empower a government that hates you is, once again, beyond me.
     
    I'm not the one trying to promoting Schrödinger's-esque "substantive due process" law, the favorite tool of big government leftist activists.


    Which is why “substantive due process” won’t keep your online dating history from being publicized.
     
    And of course, I didn’t say that it would.
     
    Recently:

    technically the right to privacy is on the books.

    Where?
     
    The “right to privacy” in the constitutional sense refers precisely to substantive due process.
     

    Replies: @Rosie, @Twinkie

  311. @Foreign Expert
    Is female virginity only valued in agricultural societies? It seems like in Hunter-gatherer societies, where there is almost nothing to inherit, paternity isn’t much of an issue.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  312. @Rosie
    @Almost Missouri


    The Supreme Court has kinda sorta ruled occasionally for something vaguely privacy-ish under the rubric of “substantive due process”, but the principle they are claiming is “substantive due process”, not privacy.
     
    Your objection to the use of the term "privacy" in reference to freedom from governmental interference is semantic and pointless. It is a legal term of art that works just fine.

    As mentioned earlier, it is the judicial elites, not I, who have effectively read the Ninth Amendment out of the Constitution.
     
    How so?

    Not that it matters. Ignoring the Ninth Amendment is bad, and especially bad for Whites, either way. Why you would want to further empower a government that hates you is, once again, beyond me. If you have no right to, say, use birth control, because the Constitution doesn't come right and say so in as many words, do you have a right to not use it? How about a China-style one-child policy? You sh!t all over the spirit of the Constitution while obsessing about the letter, even though the Ninth Amendment specifically says you're not supposed to do that.


    Correct. Which is why “substantive due process” won’t keep your online dating history from being publicized.

     

    And of course, I didn't say that it would. What it may do is prevent the government from acting on it in certain ways. Of course, I even acknowledged that it may not even do that, so I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.


    No need for “penumbrae”. The Fourth Amendment is black letter law. And unlike “substantive due process”, it’s actually in the Constitution.
     
    AM, just stop. Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Your objection to the use of the term “privacy” in reference to freedom from governmental interference is semantic and pointless.

    Examples of freedom from governmental interference that are not “privacy”: freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the freedom to petition for redress of grievances, the freedom to self-defend, etc.

    In other words, most freedom from governmental interference is not “privacy”.

    Ignoring the Ninth Amendment is bad, and especially bad for Whites, either way.

    True, but then that’s probably why the judicial elites like to ignore it.

    Why you would want to further empower a government that hates you is, once again, beyond me.

    I’m not the one trying to promoting Schrödinger’s-esque “substantive due process” law, the favorite tool of big government leftist activists.

    Which is why “substantive due process” won’t keep your online dating history from being publicized.

    And of course, I didn’t say that it would.

    Recently:

    technically the right to privacy is on the books.

    Where?

    The “right to privacy” in the constitutional sense refers precisely to substantive due process.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Almost Missouri


    Examples of freedom from governmental interference that are not “privacy”:
     
    Almost Missouri:

    Noone gives a FF about your opinion concerning the use of the word "privacy" to refer to the decisional autonomy.

    Let it go.

    I’m not the one trying to promoting Schrödinger’s-esque “substantive due process” law, the favorite tool of big government leftist activists.
     
    Right. Just as I thought. Your obsession with discrediting the substantive due process doctrine is entirely outcome-driven. Worse still, it is exceedingly short-sighted, as you utterly fail to consider how an erosion of said doctrine could backfire horrifically on White people.


    The “right to privacy” in the constitutional sense refers precisely to substantive due process.
     
    Yes, that is precisely what it means. I posted a link in an effort to educate you so that you can have an informed discussion on this matter. Did you read, or did you ignore it?

    The right to privacy (substantive due process) will not prevent private actors from publicizing your online dating history, but if the government attempts to sanction you for it in any way (suits for damages, employment discrimination, etc.) then you have a serious constitutional problem.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Twinkie
    @Almost Missouri


    Examples of freedom from governmental interference that are not “privacy”: freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the freedom to petition for redress of grievances, the freedom to self-defend, etc.
     
    It's distressing how much even people who purport to be "conservatives" or "traditionalists" or "rightists" don't seem to understand constitutional history.

    Originalists/strict constructionists are correct - there is no guarantee of privacy in the U.S. Constitution as there is for what rights you listed above. Of course, the Supreme Court has found that there is privacy in the constitution... the same way it has eviscerated what's actually in the Constitution/Bill of Rights such as the 10th Amendment to the Constitution.

    Now, I tend to think that privacy is - broadly-speaking - a pretty desirable thing and I would support my state enacting some protections of the same (protection of banking records, concealed carry permit status, donations to non-profits and political causes, etc.). But there is no such protection in the Constitution. Griswold was a monstrosity that has metastasized into an even greater monstrosity that is Obergefell. "Privacy" has been merely a tool of the left to overcome popular objections to some cause of the left, as Obergefell amply demonstrated.

  313. @William Badwhite
    @Dissident

    https://storage.googleapis.com/conservativereview/2019/09/f519be0e-rep.-jerrold-nadler-leaves-congress_2019_09_12_zach-gibson.jpeg

    https://www.wnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/adam-schiff-eyes-cspan-video-jpg.jpg

    http://s3-origin-images.politico.com/2013/07/18/130718_steve_cohen_ap_328.jpg

    Replies: @Dissident

    To be clear, my point was not to denigrate or detract from either of the individuals whom I posted unflattering images of. Rather, I merely meant to add to the point I understood Reg to be making.

    In summary, the mere physical/visual appearance of an individual is a poor gauge of the validity or merits of his arguments and views. Good-looking people can (and often do) make awful arguments and hold awful views, while awful-looking people can (and often do) make good or even great arguments, etc.
    Judge a book not by the mere aesthetics of its cover.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Dissident


    Good-looking people can (and often do) make awful arguments and hold awful views, while awful-looking people can (and often do) make good or even great arguments, etc.
     
    The Ugly American was the good guy. Just ugly, literally.

    Literally literally.
  314. @Dissident
    @Intensifier


    Women are women. High maintenance wherever you find them.
     
    As the old saw goes, can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em...

    Replies: @Rex Little

    can’t live with ’em, can’t live without ’empass the beer nuts

    Fixed it for you.

    • Replies: @Rex Little
    @Rex Little

    Link didn't work for some reason. It's supposed to go to a YouTube clip from the Cheers episode where Norm Peterson delivers that classic line.

    Replies: @Dissident

  315. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Dissident

    Right you are about Sammy's location: it was on Chrystie Street, physically the continuation of Second Avenue once you get south of Houston Street.

    The Second Avenue Deli was (big shock) on 2nd Ave. and 10th Street; it's since relocated to 33rd Street between Lex and Third, with an uptown branch on First Avenue somewhere in the 70's. I've been to the 33rd Street location a few times: not bad, but not the same (and twice the prices as the original).

    It's getting hard out here for a fresser.

    Replies: @Dissident

    The Second Avenue Deli was (big shock) on 2nd Ave. and 10th Street;

    I recall it well. My late father knew the owner (Abe Lebewhol, RIP, [1931-1996] shot dead while being robbed).

    It was there, over a can of Dr. Brown’s soda (and whatever we were eating) that I, as a lad of no more than eight years old, told my grandfather something to the effect of: “I’ve thought about it a lot, and it all just adds-up to love.” I was speaking of the spell I had fallen under of a ravishingly beautiful girl in my class. Remarkably similar to a story the legendary Jean Shepherd told of being similarly mesmerized when he was, If memory serves, only six.
    ~ ~ ~
    @kaganovitch: The black female owner-operator I had referenced was, as best I could tell, American.
    ~ ~ ~
    Has anyone else found a certain irony in Rosie’s Constitutional arguments? Who will be left to advance them if the white ethnostate she dreams of ever becomes a reality? Will there be enough sufficiently qualified and competent (non-Jewish) whites to do so? After all, hasn’t it always been Jews who have exploited such legal arguments in order to foist evils such as sexual deviancy, contraception, abortion and pornography upon the hapless, benighted goyim (in order to keep them submissive, subservient, and dependent)?

  316. KL says:

    Dating sites have a shortage of women, and a surplus of thirsty male spammers. It is overwhelming for an attractive woman to get 100 messages per week. She will get so many messages that the attractive men get lost in her queue.

    Of course, women don’t have to swipe on everybody. They could be disciplined. But that is not their romantic state of mind. Instead, they fantasize and use their phone to “shop” for men. Their matches provide validation and entertainment.

    Bumble makes women send the first message within 24 hours to cut down on impulsive matching and message clutter. The first message is typically “hi”. Sometimes it is one whole sentence, followed by a self-congratulatory sentence about how difficult it was to craft the first sentence.

    Dating sites need more women customers. They definitely don’t need butthurt men sending nasty messages. So they ban men quickly. There are not enough transexuals to matter much. It just wastes a little time when a straight man mistakenly clicks on their thumbnail pictures.

    Ultimately, men want hot women. Women want a “curated” collection of men who are out of their league.

  317. @Rosie
    @Reg Cæsar


    As science and Scripture agree, it’s all about the children.
     
    Hey Reg, what about this part of Scripture?

    https://biblia.com/bible/esv/deuteronomy/22/28-29

    If taking a woman's virginity "damages" her, shouldn't the womanizer be forced to marry her?

    Or do you only use the bits you like?

    https://cbmw.org/2018/03/05/did-old-testament-law-force-a-woman-to-marry-her-rapist/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If taking a woman’s virginity “damages” her, shouldn’t the womanizer be forced to marry her?

    Ah, the old “shotgun wedding”! Trouble is, the shotgun once used to force Lamar to give his baby a name is now used to shoo Lemaricus away.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Reg Cæsar


    Ah, the old “shotgun wedding”! Trouble is, the shotgun once used to force Lamar to give his baby a name is now used to shoo Lemaricus away.
     
    Good grief. What the hell are you talking about?

    Replies: @iDeplorable

  318. @Dissident
    @William Badwhite

    To be clear, my point was not to denigrate or detract from either of the individuals whom I posted unflattering images of. Rather, I merely meant to add to the point I understood Reg to be making.

    In summary, the mere physical/visual appearance of an individual is a poor gauge of the validity or merits of his arguments and views. Good-looking people can (and often do) make awful arguments and hold awful views, while awful-looking people can (and often do) make good or even great arguments, etc.
    Judge a book not by the mere aesthetics of its cover.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Good-looking people can (and often do) make awful arguments and hold awful views, while awful-looking people can (and often do) make good or even great arguments, etc.

    The Ugly American was the good guy. Just ugly, literally.

    Literally literally.

  319. @Truth
    @Bill P


    My test for my sons is pretty simple. Could she stand up to your mother in a fight? She doesn’t have to win, but she needs to last at least a minute.

     

    I guess it 's a good thing you didn't have daughters.

    Replies: @Bill P

    But I do. Different rules apply.

  320. @Reg Cæsar
    @Rosie


    If taking a woman’s virginity “damages” her, shouldn’t the womanizer be forced to marry her?

     

    Ah, the old "shotgun wedding"! Trouble is, the shotgun once used to force Lamar to give his baby a name is now used to shoo Lemaricus away.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Ah, the old “shotgun wedding”! Trouble is, the shotgun once used to force Lamar to give his baby a name is now used to shoo Lemaricus away.

    Good grief. What the hell are you talking about?

    • Replies: @iDeplorable
    @Rosie


    Good grief. What the hell are you talking about?
     
    Surely you're not expecting Reg to make sense? Just pat him on the head, then go make me a sandwich.
  321. @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie


    Your objection to the use of the term “privacy” in reference to freedom from governmental interference is semantic and pointless.
     
    Examples of freedom from governmental interference that are not "privacy": freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the freedom to petition for redress of grievances, the freedom to self-defend, etc.

    In other words, most freedom from governmental interference is not "privacy".


    Ignoring the Ninth Amendment is bad, and especially bad for Whites, either way.
     
    True, but then that's probably why the judicial elites like to ignore it.

    Why you would want to further empower a government that hates you is, once again, beyond me.
     
    I'm not the one trying to promoting Schrödinger's-esque "substantive due process" law, the favorite tool of big government leftist activists.


    Which is why “substantive due process” won’t keep your online dating history from being publicized.
     
    And of course, I didn’t say that it would.
     
    Recently:

    technically the right to privacy is on the books.

    Where?
     
    The “right to privacy” in the constitutional sense refers precisely to substantive due process.
     

    Replies: @Rosie, @Twinkie

    Examples of freedom from governmental interference that are not “privacy”:

    Almost Missouri:

    Noone gives a FF about your opinion concerning the use of the word “privacy” to refer to the decisional autonomy.

    Let it go.

    I’m not the one trying to promoting Schrödinger’s-esque “substantive due process” law, the favorite tool of big government leftist activists.

    Right. Just as I thought. Your obsession with discrediting the substantive due process doctrine is entirely outcome-driven. Worse still, it is exceedingly short-sighted, as you utterly fail to consider how an erosion of said doctrine could backfire horrifically on White people.

    The “right to privacy” in the constitutional sense refers precisely to substantive due process.

    Yes, that is precisely what it means. I posted a link in an effort to educate you so that you can have an informed discussion on this matter. Did you read, or did you ignore it?

    The right to privacy (substantive due process) will not prevent private actors from publicizing your online dating history, but if the government attempts to sanction you for it in any way (suits for damages, employment discrimination, etc.) then you have a serious constitutional problem.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie


    Your obsession with discrediting the substantive due process doctrine is entirely outcome-driven.
     
    The "doctrine" of "substantive due process" is already outcome-driven, as a perusal of court decisions using it will demonstrate.

    Worse still, it is exceedingly short-sighted, as you utterly fail to consider how an erosion of said doctrine could backfire horrifically on White people.
     
    In which court decision did "substantive due process" help white people where they would not have been helped by actual Constitutional law or ordinary statute?

    I posted a link in an effort to educate you so that you can have an informed discussion on this matter. Did you read, or did you ignore it?
     
    I read your Ballotopedia link. I hope that you are not a lawyer or aspiring lawyer, or if you are I hope your clients understand that legal arguments based on poorly researched tertiary sources such as Ballotopedia will get their cases laughed out of court.

    but if the government attempts to sanction you for it in any way (suits for damages, employment discrimination, etc.)
     
    You do understand that it is not the government but private actors who would sue for damages or employment discrimination, right?
  322. @Rex Little
    @Dissident

    can’t live with ’em, can’t live without ’empass the beer nuts

    Fixed it for you.

    Replies: @Rex Little

    Link didn’t work for some reason. It’s supposed to go to a YouTube clip from the Cheers episode where Norm Peterson delivers that classic line.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Rex Little


    Link didn’t work for some reason. It’s supposed to go to a YouTube clip from the Cheers episode where Norm Peterson delivers that classic line.
     
    Thanks. Cheers is one of any number of sitcoms from that era that is rife with sentimentality for me.
  323. @JohnnyWalker123
    Don't go bald.

    https://twitter.com/OmnyBased/status/1366117104672534536

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Bill Jones, @mongoos

    I’m sure there are still those who feel that while baldness is a sign of virile masculinity, it also diminishes one’s opportunities to find out. Be advised that there are LOTS of females out there who view our bald male heads as solar panels for a sex machine. I started going bald in high school and my hair was white before I turned thirty. I have been shaving my head for 35 years and have NEVER had a problem getting dates. It helps that I’m confident and in good shape. Lots of guys with full heads of hair are losers. Women can tell which is which.

  324. @Johnny Smoggins
    @anon


    How would you feel about your grandchildren having Hindu first names?
     
    You don't think Bapjinder is a lovely name for a girl?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You don’t think Bapjinder is a lovely name for a girl?

    It would cause her fewer problems than the Thai Siriporn or Ratanaporn.

  325. @Rosie
    @Twinkie


    I mean this quite sincerely and do not write this with malice – you really ought to let go of your mother’s history and your own circumstances in evaluating what is and is not good for most people and the society we share.
     
    You can’t help yourself, can you Twinkles? You always resort to personal attacks, though here you attempt to cloak it in fake concern and civility.

    As I have said elsewhere, if you believe premarital sex is that harmful, then you should advocate antifornication statutes, not informal tabos that you know perfectly well will be directed at only one sex.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    You can’t help yourself, can you Twinkles? You always resort to personal attacks

    Look in the mirror and stop projecting.

    fake concern and civility

    I am civil. That I disagree with you is not uncivil. Your incessant name-calling, cursing, and angry words, however, are. And I did not write what I wrote out of concern – fake or otherwise. I merely called it exactly as I saw it – that you get triggered easily when the subject of female chastity is raised, because of your mother’s and your own sexual history as you elaborated in past comments. And this takes up bandwidth and prevents the discussions regarding the subject from progressing. But if you think I am somehow attacking you in some devious way, well, there is nothing else I can say to assuage you and any conversation between us is going to be simply unproductive.

    As I have said elsewhere, if you believe premarital sex is that harmful, then you should advocate antifornication statutes

    I am not an authoritarian and don’t believe in forcing people to behave as I wish. Moreover, I believe that all virtue is necessarily voluntary and forcing people to be fake-virtuous destroys real virtue. But you knew that already too.

    informal tabos that you know perfectly well will be directed at only one sex.

    No, I do not “perfectly well” know that it “will be directed at only one sex.” You keep repeating it does not make it so. I am on record stating – clearly as day – that both men and women ought to be chaste and that virtuous men and women ought to avoid the company of those who are not. What you must be confusing and arguing against appears to be biology – I have written as well that, by the reasons of biological differences, female promiscuity tends to incur higher costs than male promiscuity (“eggs are expensive, sperms are cheap”), just as female sexuality has an incredible blessing (the ability to conceive and carry a child) that males do not. Men and women are not the same and precisely where they are the most different (sexuality is such a sphere*) the benefits and costs of behaviors within such a sphere are also different.

    *E.g. A man can impregnate dozens, perhaps even hundreds of women in 9 months. A woman can only have one child (or in highly unusual cases, a few children) in the same time frame.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  326. @Rosie
    @Twinkie

    And by the way, Twinkles, if we're going to look at the harm that comes of premarital sex, we certainly ought to also look at the harm that results from obsessing about it.

    Virginity obsession tends to seriously undermine women's freedom to choose theor own mates. Their parents effectively imprison them in order to prevent them from becoming "damaged." If you can't date, you can't find a husband of your choosing.

    In the worst cases, parents are so concerned about their daughters being "damaged" that they marry them off as children to men three times their age, so their husbands can be assured of their virginity.

    The Amish are very serious about free courtship, and a "running around" period is institutionalized for them. That this will include premarital sex is understood. They even allow "bed courtship," no bundling board. Yet, their families are doing just fine, thank you very much.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    And by the way, Twinkles, if we’re going to look at the harm that comes of premarital sex, we certainly ought to also look at the harm that results from obsessing about it.

    “If we are going to look at the harm that comes with drug abuse, we certainly ought to look at the harm that results from obsessing about it.”

    That sentence from you is not a substantive argument at all – it’s classic whatabout-ism. You can say that about criticism of any negative behavior. And by using a loaded term such as “obsession,” you are pretty clearly indicating that you have no interest in discussing the subject rationally and are simply ascribing negative psychology to your interlocutor.

    The Amish are very serious about free courtship, and a “running around” period is institutionalized for them. That this will include premarital sex is understood.

    I lived next to the Amish for several years in the Midwest. When I farmed for my in-laws, I had quite a few dealings with them (I also bought A LOT of furniture and leather goods over the years from them, as they are the last remaining non-hipster, traditional wood- and leather-workers in the U.S.).

    Rumspringa is NOT what sensational TV programs portray. Most Amish young men and women who enter the Rumspringa period stay within their communities and engage in courtship to find spouses, and dramatic transgressions of their community norms are pretty rare (they might try drinking, miss worship service, go dancing and such, but they are mostly not engaging in drug use or sex as portrayed in the media).

    I might also note that some of their communities engage in a practice you find abhorrent to a very high degree – a very harsh shunning of those who violate the community norms, including, fornication and adultery.

    • Agree: JMcG, Dissident
  327. @Almost Missouri
    @Rosie


    Your objection to the use of the term “privacy” in reference to freedom from governmental interference is semantic and pointless.
     
    Examples of freedom from governmental interference that are not "privacy": freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the freedom to petition for redress of grievances, the freedom to self-defend, etc.

    In other words, most freedom from governmental interference is not "privacy".


    Ignoring the Ninth Amendment is bad, and especially bad for Whites, either way.
     
    True, but then that's probably why the judicial elites like to ignore it.

    Why you would want to further empower a government that hates you is, once again, beyond me.
     
    I'm not the one trying to promoting Schrödinger's-esque "substantive due process" law, the favorite tool of big government leftist activists.


    Which is why “substantive due process” won’t keep your online dating history from being publicized.
     
    And of course, I didn’t say that it would.
     
    Recently:

    technically the right to privacy is on the books.

    Where?
     
    The “right to privacy” in the constitutional sense refers precisely to substantive due process.
     

    Replies: @Rosie, @Twinkie

    Examples of freedom from governmental interference that are not “privacy”: freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the freedom to petition for redress of grievances, the freedom to self-defend, etc.

    It’s distressing how much even people who purport to be “conservatives” or “traditionalists” or “rightists” don’t seem to understand constitutional history.

    Originalists/strict constructionists are correct – there is no guarantee of privacy in the U.S. Constitution as there is for what rights you listed above. Of course, the Supreme Court has found that there is privacy in the constitution… the same way it has eviscerated what’s actually in the Constitution/Bill of Rights such as the 10th Amendment to the Constitution.

    Now, I tend to think that privacy is – broadly-speaking – a pretty desirable thing and I would support my state enacting some protections of the same (protection of banking records, concealed carry permit status, donations to non-profits and political causes, etc.). But there is no such protection in the Constitution. Griswold was a monstrosity that has metastasized into an even greater monstrosity that is Obergefell. “Privacy” has been merely a tool of the left to overcome popular objections to some cause of the left, as Obergefell amply demonstrated.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  328. @Rosie
    @Almost Missouri


    Examples of freedom from governmental interference that are not “privacy”:
     
    Almost Missouri:

    Noone gives a FF about your opinion concerning the use of the word "privacy" to refer to the decisional autonomy.

    Let it go.

    I’m not the one trying to promoting Schrödinger’s-esque “substantive due process” law, the favorite tool of big government leftist activists.
     
    Right. Just as I thought. Your obsession with discrediting the substantive due process doctrine is entirely outcome-driven. Worse still, it is exceedingly short-sighted, as you utterly fail to consider how an erosion of said doctrine could backfire horrifically on White people.


    The “right to privacy” in the constitutional sense refers precisely to substantive due process.
     
    Yes, that is precisely what it means. I posted a link in an effort to educate you so that you can have an informed discussion on this matter. Did you read, or did you ignore it?

    The right to privacy (substantive due process) will not prevent private actors from publicizing your online dating history, but if the government attempts to sanction you for it in any way (suits for damages, employment discrimination, etc.) then you have a serious constitutional problem.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Your obsession with discrediting the substantive due process doctrine is entirely outcome-driven.

    The “doctrine” of “substantive due process” is already outcome-driven, as a perusal of court decisions using it will demonstrate.

    Worse still, it is exceedingly short-sighted, as you utterly fail to consider how an erosion of said doctrine could backfire horrifically on White people.

    In which court decision did “substantive due process” help white people where they would not have been helped by actual Constitutional law or ordinary statute?

    I posted a link in an effort to educate you so that you can have an informed discussion on this matter. Did you read, or did you ignore it?

    I read your Ballotopedia link. I hope that you are not a lawyer or aspiring lawyer, or if you are I hope your clients understand that legal arguments based on poorly researched tertiary sources such as Ballotopedia will get their cases laughed out of court.

    but if the government attempts to sanction you for it in any way (suits for damages, employment discrimination, etc.)

    You do understand that it is not the government but private actors who would sue for damages or employment discrimination, right?

  329. @Rosie
    @Reg Cæsar


    Ah, the old “shotgun wedding”! Trouble is, the shotgun once used to force Lamar to give his baby a name is now used to shoo Lemaricus away.
     
    Good grief. What the hell are you talking about?

    Replies: @iDeplorable

    Good grief. What the hell are you talking about?

    Surely you’re not expecting Reg to make sense? Just pat him on the head, then go make me a sandwich.

  330. @Twinkie
    @Jim Christian


    Well, Rosie, their women are sluts
     
    See the data in my comment above.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    What data, where?

  331. @Rosie
    @Jim Christian


    Hey Rosie, as long as women monetize their beauty, sue for sex “improprieties” and select husbands by income, not to mention a million other ways women pick men’s pockets, they’re “goods” or much more accurately, a commodity.
     
    It's ok for women to treat men like ATMs because they treat us like sex objects. It's ok for men to treat women like objects, because they treat men like ATMs.

    Round and round it goes.
    Where it stops, nobody knows.

    Also, women who seek to earn their own living are selfish careerists, and women who seek a man who can provide for them are whores.

    It's the usual no-win situation for women around here.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    Oh, poor women. You set the agenda, in mating, you make the rules. We men play the game according to women’s wants. It’s nothing to do with around here, problem for those of you women afflicted with victimitus is, here, our truth-telling isn’t deleted, you have to answer for the depravity of your gender, not to mention cowardice in refusing to confront the trans-revolution that will steal your White feminist privilege. You don’t march against that, that would be difficult. So you White and jewish women bitch about hetero White men, conflate that with supposed White men-as-racist specifically so you do NOT have to confront the trannies who are stealing your privilege. It is the feminist movement roiling the racist waters and far more than blacks. The good part? Blacks are noticing how privileged White/jewish women are and are demanding a slice of the pie White/Jewish women denied to them. You broads are the next phase of the replacement. And I could not be happier. But don’t blame it on “around here”. I don’t want to hear it. You resort to the “around here” trope because you are flat out of answers in defense of your 60 years of destructive feminist depravity and you damned well know it. Still, we love you.

  332. @Rosie
    @Reg Cæsar


    Many women as well as men view the other sex through utilitarian glasses. Just in different ways.
     
    No, we really don't, and you know it.

    Take the following two statements:

    1) A beautiful woman will always be able to find a desirable partner.
    2) A man who earns good living will always be able to find a desirable partner.

    The first statement is true and the second is false.

    Yet, even if you were right, there is a shamelessness about it on men’s part that one does not find among women. We know it is wrong to objectify people (to be avoided or minimized rather than bragged about), whereas you do not to understand this basic moral truth.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    A man who earns a good living will always find a desirable partner. Proof positive that you believe women chase money. In other words, women monetize their sexuality. We know, Rosie, we get it. Our entire lives we get it. There is always a price.

  333. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    @anon


    Or, to quote a book you’ve never read, “Male and female He made them”.
     
    Lol I doubt you know half as much about that book as I do.

    PET scans do not agree with your “ought”.
     
    So what?

    Replies: @anon

    PET scans do not agree with your “ought”.

    So what?

    What I just wrote:

    ” Why, it’s almost as if there are deep biological differences between the sexes stemming from long term biological stresses and interactions!”

    Reality is real despite all of your tantrums about what ought to be true.

    Or, to quote a book you’ve never read, “Male and female He made them”.

    Lol I doubt you know half as much about that book as I do.

    Irrelevent. You cannot accept either biology or Biblical facts regarding men and women, because such things are offensive to your ought.

    Reality doesn’t care about your opinion.

  334. @Rex Little
    @Rex Little

    Link didn't work for some reason. It's supposed to go to a YouTube clip from the Cheers episode where Norm Peterson delivers that classic line.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Link didn’t work for some reason. It’s supposed to go to a YouTube clip from the Cheers episode where Norm Peterson delivers that classic line.

    Thanks. Cheers is one of any number of sitcoms from that era that is rife with sentimentality for me.

  335. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dissident


    juvenile mocking of individuals with odious views for their physical appearance

     

    Au contraire. Physiognomy and looks are important components of HBD and are also major factors explaining much of the demographic hostility driving politics today, particularly anti-White politics and sexual ‘marketplace’ resentments. Loudmouth “odious” uggos should always be mocked. (Sympathy should be reserved for the unassuming who lack pulchritude.)

    that guy who repeatedly posts numerous photos (without even exercising the courtesy of using the MORE! tag)
     
    I agree, liberal use of the MORE tag would be appreciated from some regulars.

    And since you’re tallying tiresome posts, let me add to the bill your own long-running oh-so-coy NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts. GTFO with that shite.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Dissident, @anon

    [quote]long-running oh-so-coy NAMBLA nonce musings and catamite portrait posts. GTFO with that shite.[/quote]

    So you to you, finding APPEAL is no different than raping or molesting?

    Where you see coyness, I see rare honesty, conscience, and much careful, deep thought.

    Perhaps you ought to consider what your ugly, abusive response says about you. (I won’t hold my breath.)

  336. Speaking of “tiresome” and “adolescent”, the endless “No you!” back-and-forths with Rosie…

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