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Will the Great Awokening become unfashionable and fade away? Scott Alexander thinks it’s a matter of cyclical fashion, but then again isn’t so sure since the last year:

The Rise And Fall Of Online Culture Wars
How do Internet atheism and Internet feminism help us understand the current cultural moment?
May 10

… We tend to conflate feminism and anti-racism under the general heading of “social justice”, but this blinds us to important details. From about 2011 to 2014, the Internet was obsessed with gender, with race on the back burner. 2014 to 2016 was a sort of transition period, and after that the Internet became obsessed with race, with gender almost forgotten. …

If this model is on the right track, what should we predict?

A naive prediction: our cultural obsession with race has a time limit. At some point, like our obsessions with religion and gender before it, it will become so overdone and pathetic that people will switch to a new hobbyhorse. Plausibly this would look like class-first socialists successfully making woke people look ridiculous for caring about a less important problem (symbolic victories and the number of black Fortune 500 CEOs) instead of a more important one (people of all races being poor). When I wrote the first draft of this post a year ago, I thought this was obviously happening.

Since then it’s become less obvious. After the George Floyd protests, all Google Trends about race shot up, and haven’t fully returned back to their pre-protest trend even now, a year later. The woke stranglehold on corporations, governments, and now the CIA is stronger than ever. …

But the good thing about history is that all of this has happened before, and in the past it’s always stopped happening, and for all you know maybe it will stop happening this time too.

David Brooks writes in his NYT oped column:

This Is How Wokeness Ends
May 13, 2021, 7:00 p.m. ET

By David Brooks

My friend Rod Dreher recently had a blog post for The American Conservative called “Why Are Conservatives in Despair?” He explained that conservatives are in despair because a hostile ideology — wokeness or social justice or critical race theory — is sweeping across America the way Bolshevism swept across the Russian Empire before the October Revolution in 1917.

… I’m less alarmed by all of this because I have more confidence than Dreher and many other conservatives in the American establishment’s ability to co-opt and water down every radical progressive ideology. In the 1960s, left-wing radicals wanted to overthrow capitalism. We ended up with Whole Foods. The co-optation of wokeness seems to be happening right now.

The thing we call wokeness contains many elements. At its core is an honest and good-faith effort to grapple with the legacies of racism. In 2021, this element of wokeness has produced more understanding, inclusion and racial progress than we’ve seen in over 50 years.

Uh …

This part of wokeness is great.

Please don’t hurt me.

But wokeness gets weirder when it’s entangled in the perversities of our meritocracy, when it involves demonstrating one’s enlightenment by using language — “problematize,” “heteronormativity,” “cisgender,” “intersectionality” — inculcated in elite schools or with difficult texts.

In an essay titled “The Language of Privilege,” in Tablet, Nicholas Clairmont argues that the difficulty of the language is the point — to exclude those with less educational capital.

People who engage in this discourse have been enculturated by our best and most expensive schools. If you look at the places where the splashy woke controversies have taken place, they have often been posh prep schools, like Harvard-Westlake or Dalton, or pricey colleges, like Bryn Mawr or Princeton.

Or at lower brow colleges like Evergreen and Missouri.

A basic pattern is that political correctness used to be confined to, say, the Duke U. English department 30 years ago, but has since filtered down to practically ever Directional State U. It’s hardly reassuring to be told that Harvard-Westlake and Dalton are currently in the throes of Wokeness, but, don’t worry, because what other high schools would ever want to ape the fashions of the most elite high schools in the country?

The meritocracy at this level is very competitive. Performing the discourse by canceling and shaming becomes a way of establishing your status and power as an enlightened person. It becomes a way of showing — despite your secret self-doubts — that you really belong. It also becomes a way of showing the world that you are anti-elite, even though you work, study and live in circles that are extremely elite.

The meritocracy has one job: to funnel young people into leadership positions in society. It’s very good at doing that. Corporations and other organizations are eager to hire top performers, and one sign of elite credentials is the ability to do the discourse. That’s why the C.I.A. made that widely mocked recruiting video that was like a woke word salad: cisgender, intersectional, patriarchal.

The people at the C.I.A., Disney, Major League Baseball and Coca-Cola aren’t faking it when they perform the acts we now call woke capitalism. They went to the same schools and share the same dominant culture and want the same reputational benefits.

But as the discourse gets more corporatized it’s going to get watered down. The primary ideology in America is success; that ideology has a tendency to absorb all rivals.

We saw this happen between the 1970s and the 1990s. American hippies built a genuinely bohemian counterculture. But as they got older they wanted to succeed. They brought their bohemian values into the market, but year by year those values got thinner and thinner and finally were nonexistent.

But the values of hippies like, say, Young Steve Jobs weren’t Straight White Man Bad.

… Pretty soon key concepts like “privilege” are reduced to empty catchphrases floating everywhere.

But in the meantimes, big institutions have hired a whole bunch of people with no skills other than demonizing straight white men to build empires for themselves.

The economist and cultural observer Tyler Cowen expects wokeness in this sense won’t disappear. Writing for Bloomberg last week, he predicted it would become something more like the Unitarian Church — “broadly admired but commanding only a modicum of passion and commitment.”

This would be fine with me. As I say, there are (at least) two elements to wokeness. One focuses on concrete benefits for the disadvantaged — reparations, more diverse hiring, more equitable housing and economic policies. The other instigates savage word wars among the highly advantaged. If we can have more of the former and less of the latter, we’ll all be better off.

But the latter are the people who will get to administer all the moolah of the former. The Great Awokening has been heavily about building cadres within institutions of people who have no productive use but anytime anybody mentions how useless the new diversity commissars are, the diversity commissars throw a fit to be mollified must be given even more junior diversity commissars to sniff out witches within the organization.

From Unherd:

There will be no anti-woke rebellion

Millennials won’t save us — but the neuro-diverse might

BY ED WEST
Wednesday, 12

… most normal, healthily-socialised people don’t like to be hated.

It is why, as I wrote in this week’s piece on demographic trends, I can’t see a huge rebellion against Woke politics among the young.

Resisting prevailing cultural norms and beliefs is hard, even in 21st century western societies, which are arguably the most non-conformist in history. Most people have their lives to get on with.

… I’m sure lots of [A.D. 4th Century] Roman [pagan] traditionalists expected the young to rebel against this strange cult of a Galilean Jew, yet within a couple of generations, their ancient religion had disappeared, and to even admit to being a worshipper of Jupiter was to become a social pariah. If your rivals control society’s taboos, as Christianity did by now, it makes it extremely hard to fight them.

Today progressivism also controls society’s taboos, which is why it’s extremely hard to argue against its beliefs and its policy ideas; people who do so fear losing their jobs and at best are just sidelined. (For any progressive reading this, many supposedly outrageously beyond-the-pale Right-wing beliefs are secretly shared by far more people than you imagine, it’s just that most normal human beings don’t want their lives made a misery.)

… Progressivism already suffers from what Swedish academic Carl Ritter called “hegemonic degeneration”, that when a belief becomes established, made flabby by institutional protection, then the genuinely interesting and intellectually curious will look for something else.

The most intelligent people coming out of university now often seem to be, if not conservative, then at least critical of the new faith (not necessarily from the Right). But it also seems to me, at least, that many of the most intelligent critics appear to be somewhere on the autistic spectrum, which makes them far more interested in truth than social acceptability. Perhaps it is with the neuro-diverse that our future hopes rests.

Maybe …

 
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  1. It was demographic change via immigration, neither wanted or voted for by the public in the west, that enabled all this garbage.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anonymouseperson


    It was demographic change via immigration, neither wanted or voted for by the public in the west, that enabled all this garbage.
     
    I don't like immigration either but I don't agree that it was the cause of this madness. This craziness could not have happened without white liberals. It was white liberals who drove all the craziness of the past sixty years. And it was the corporate sector that funded the craziness.

    If you want to find someone to blame I suggest you look at virtue-signalling whites. Especially middle-class whites.

    It's also a consequence of the destruction of the Old Left, and the increasing corruption and cynicism of the mainstream Right.

    Replies: @TTSSYF, @Anonymous Jew, @Eric Novak

    , @AndrewR
    @anonymouseperson

    If you mean the forced importation of African slaves and the gullible acceptance of Jewish immigrants, yes. Otherwise you sound like a fool

    , @Travis
    @anonymouseperson

    True, The woke ideology became the dominant religion in the US at the same time Whites became a minority within the United States. 2014 was when whites became a minority among our University students. 2015 was the year white births fell below white deaths, starting the absolute decline in the number of whites in America.

    Most Americans under the age of 55 benefit from woke ideology. White males are just 24% of this age demographic, so we are easy targets. 70% of the current workforce will benefit from the purge of straight white males.

    , @Eric Novak
    @anonymouseperson

    Your post belongs in the top spot.

  2. As long as Wokeness is successful in punishing white males, they’ll keep it up. It’s good business. Got to focus that 2 Minutes Hate on someone.

    In the meantime, is that inflation I see on the horizon? Are we about to have some sort of conflict in the Middle East this summer? Once it gets warm outside, which will result in more destruction – BLM/Antifa marches or black gun violence? Which city will defund its police department first?

    Will China finally get tired of playing second fiddle to the tired US of A? The 20 million people in the country illegally aren’t going anywhere – when will Biden fulfill his promise to legalize all the illegals?

    Finally, will the Wokesters support Kamala Harris in putting Joe Biden in a nursing home?

    Stay tuned, iSteve fans. Summer is just around the corner.

    • Replies: @Franz
    @Anon7


    will the Wokesters support Kamala Harris in putting Joe Biden in a nursing home?
     
    Bets are running 100 to 1 in favor -- Biden is a Zero Year president.

    Reagan and Bush W. beat the jinx, so it's time for the old trend to reassert itself: Presidents elected on any year with a zero usually die in office. In fact, when Reagan was shot early in his term, heads were nodding -- yep, we knew it.

    Interesting lore on this, strictly coincidence, but for over a century there were lots of them:

    "From 1840 through 1960, every United States president elected in a year ending in zero died while in office..."

    https://www.who2.com/list/presidents-elected-in-0-years/

    Replies: @NickG

  3. We will be SNAPPED into sobriety by the intense competition that does NOT reward wokeness.

    And what I fine example right here:

    Space race 2: Russian actor bound for ISS in same month as Tom Cruise

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/13/russia-send-actor-director-iss-shoot-first-movie-space

    Will Tom Cruise be the first movie star in space? If Russia has it’s way, Nyet! I know what most men will say. Tom, or a fine looking lady? No contest. (For war movie buffs, this is the same gal that played the sniper in The Battle of Sevastopol.)

    Just like Sputnik in 1957, this will shock Americans out of their torpor and create the energy needed for our next great leap forward even if we never had a leap forward before.

    Keep the competition coming, Vlad, it’s the only thing Americans need to wake up.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Franz

    This is just Marx's maxim (Karl, not Groucho) that history repeats itself, the second time as farce. The first space race was very real and deadly serious - our captured Nazis vs. their captured Nazis. Who can build rockets that can rain nukes on the enemy capital first? ( The space stuff was just a spin-off from the ICBMs.)

    Whose movie star will make it to space first? Who cares. It means nothing. The Russian gal isn't even a real movie star. I don't know her and I never heard of that movie. 99% of all Americans couldn't find Sevastopol on a map and don't know about any battle that took place there. You're lucky nowadays if they even know what D-Day was.

    I know Putin would really like to get that whole Cold War thing going again, where the USSR and the USA played in the same league but the sad truth is that Russia is down in the minors now and the next World Series will be played between the US and China.

    Replies: @Franz

  4. Wokeness will continue as long as the real power wants it to.

  5. This would be fine with me. As I say, there are (at least) two elements to wokeness. One focuses on concrete benefits for the disadvantaged — reparations, more diverse hiring, more equitable housing and economic policies. The other instigates savage word wars among the highly advantaged. If we can have more of the former and less of the latter, we’ll all be better off.

    In other words, Brooks is totally OK with the part of Wokeness that has real-world repercussions with non-elites, but doesn’t like the the stuff that inconveniences older elites like himself (“What weirdo pronouns do I have to learn now?”). Plus, he wants to keep his cushy job.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin, El Dato
    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @syonredux

    Brooks? LOL -- he would do and say anything for a paycheck -- he's the NYSlimes "konservative" -- quoting him on anything for anything?

    , @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Interesting. I wonder how Mr Brooks would react if the NYTIMES were equally zealous when it comes to identifying Jews...



    https://twitter.com/ZachG932/status/1385059299404226567

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @syonredux

    I.e. Is it good for the Jevvs.


    The big question going forward is whether Jevvs can control the mercenaries that they brought in to defeat Badwhites.

    , @AnotherDad
    @syonredux


    The thing we call wokeness contains many elements. At its core is an honest and good-faith effort to grapple with the legacies of racism. In 2021, this element of wokeness has produced more understanding, inclusion and racial progress than we’ve seen in over 50 years.
     
    This paragraph is one of the "dumbest" and most dishonest things Brooks as ever written--which is saying something. Nothing is remotely "honest" or in "good faith" about wokeness.


    Brooks fundamental problem: he--like a lot of Jewish "conservatives", is basically a minoritarian who wanted the great minoritarian revolution to stop in a nice comfy place for ... Jews like David Brooks.

    But once you make blacks--the oppression of blacks--the raison d'etre for delegitimating WASPs, freedom of association, majority rule, republican government, borders, having a nation, America! ... then hey "It's 2020 and blacks are still suffering!"... oppression!, racism!, take to the streets! The revolution rolls on. Right on past Brooks. He's a minoritarian Menshevik.

    The reason i put "dumbest" in quotes, is this may well be Brooks being "smart"--about his career.

    Maybe his much, much younger wife wants to have a baby? Or maybe she just expects a certain lifestyle and if he wants to enjoy her 30-something charms ... Brooks needs to provide it? And the NYT columnist gig helps with selling books and speaking fees--milking the cow.

    So maybe it's not "dumb", but just cynical.

    Replies: @anon, @Art Deco

  6. Con:

    The powers that be have an agenda. Call it globalism. Call it cosmopolitanism. Call it whatever. It is completely unambiguous.

    And for the time being opposing it is not an option. Complaining about it is a Loser’s Script.

    Pro:

    These guys, James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg think the internet and bitcoin are going to be the undoing of the nation states and for sure our grandchildren are going to have a veritable libertopia where taxpayers are customers and if they don’t like the deal they are getting they just get a U-Haul and pack their belongings and move from San Fernando Valley to Orange County or whatever.

    The publisher advertises it as Peter Thiel’s favorite book. They published it in 1997 and they predicted libertopia will be in place by 2025. That last part I am fairly sure is erroneous.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Morton's toes


    These guys, James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg think the internet and bitcoin are going to be the undoing of the nation states and for sure our grandchildren are going to have a veritable libertopia
     
    Libertarians are like children. They believe the darnedest things.
    , @Dieter Kief
    @Morton's toes

    Illusions anywhere. That looks almost as if they were an anthropological constant.
    Well - to reveal this dirty secret here in the eye of the worldwide readership of the Steve connaisseurs, hehe: Yes they are. Be it on the left or on the right / Illusions are always in sight! - I propose that as a claim for the Desillusionistic Enlightenment International (DEI***)!

    **** as an aside: This acronym is a little extra joke for the humanistically inclined speakers of the Latin language. I should not run into bigger problems admitting that quite easily at least around here, I guess. could well be different at other places, alright.

    Replies: @Prester John

    , @Rob Lee
    @Morton's toes

    The unimaginable horror, hovering invisibly overhead yet inherent in such a transition to the digital age is obvious... what happens when the plug is pulled and all goes out? All of it, just gone. EMP, terrorist destruction of infrastructure, incompetents in charge of the grid, etc., whatever the cause. The dependence on technology is what drove Frank Herbert's 'Dune' culture to rebel against the machine - rise of the Mentats and all that. Is all of that really so far-fetched?

    The only ones who would survive the initial darkening at that point - literally - will be the ones who are able to adapt to a near instantaneous primitive relapse. Hand-sewn fields and base agriculture, the manufacture and repair of firearms, tools, etc. Middle Ages here we come! Lots of 'near preppers' are already halfway there. My brother lives in rural Wisconsin, in a little town that literally barters between one another (eggs for ore, medicine for oats, etc.). That kind of close-knit culture is certainly ready for dis-culturation, but most aren't. Once the phones, tablets, cell-signals, etc., simply cease to exist, the urban denizens will look at one another with blank looks, then the panic begins.

    Funny thing is: does it seem to any of you like some people want this to happen?

  7. anon[336] • Disclaimer says:

    Reality bites back.

    The Colonial Pipeline fiasco is a wake up call. That supply chains are essential. And people won’t tolerate gas lines without pitching a fit. And gasoline, which is usually plentiful doesn’t have much supply redundancy if there is disruption. The Fed can supply a lot of liquidity very quickly, but can’t print gasoline.

    A little background. The Colonial Pipeline I an Eisenhower Era project, connecting East Coast petroleum users with Texas Gulf Refined Products.

    The amazing thing (to me) is that although the operating company’s computers were hacked, nothing really happened. I’m not even sure why they shut it down, other than an abundance of caution. And they paid the ransomeware demand of $5 million.

    The Biden Democrats want to eliminate ICE vehicles by 2035 and be carbon neutral by 2050.

    Housing and cars are suddenly 10%-20% more expensive.

    All this Utopian bloviation facilitated by the Covid time out is facing its first tests in a reopening society. People don’t want to pay a few cents more for gasoline, which is still reasonably priced based on $65/bbl oil. They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.

    I find it striking that people both went along with the Covid shutdown for an entire year yet wouldn’t wait a few days for the pipeline to restart. The great reset will both begin and end at Davos with nothing on the agenda accomplished.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anon


    All this Utopian bloviation facilitated by the Covid time out is facing its first tests in a reopening society. People don’t want to pay a few cents more for gasoline
     
    We went from Two-Dollar Donald to Three-Buck Biden in a very short time.

    They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.

     

    Especially when Canadians' is worse. Wait till Trudeau the Younger gets his 100,000,000!

    That link brings up a fascinating question: if war breaks out between Canada and the Philippines, whose side will we take? What do our defense treaties prescribe in such an event?

    Replies: @anon

    , @El Dato
    @anon


    The amazing thing (to me) is that although the operating company’s computers were hacked, nothing really happened. I’m not even sure why they shut it down, other than an abundance of caution. And they paid the ransomeware demand of $5 million.
     
    I wouldn't call a "ransomware attack" a "hack". It's of the same quality as leaving the cat flap open and then the badger family comes in and makes a right shit in your house.

    Someone connect a bad laptop to the soft-and-crunchy company network, and it was all over.

    It is likely that "they shut it down" because the machines hosting the pipeline management systems were affected. These generally standard PCs running the standard Windows NT derivative, with industrial control systems on top. These systems may well be badly maintained with unapplied patches (hence known vulnerabilities) because the control system is only certified with a Windows NT from 10 years ago and/or "we can't take it down" for maintenance. Sometimes to the point of where, when you reboot it, it doesn't even come back up and panic ensues.
    , @dfordoom
    @anon


    People don’t want to pay a few cents more for gasoline, which is still reasonably priced based on $65/bbl oil. They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.
     
    They're not going to agree to it if the money comes out of their own pockets.
    , @Barnard
    @anon


    They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.
     
    What makes you think we will be given a choice? The plan is to cut off the ability to buy gas powered cars which the government and the automakers are working on together. That they have no plan to efficiently produce and distribute electricity to power the vehicles needed, even in their Utopian vision of the vehicles being too expensive for 80% of the population, forcing us into electric buses and trains is unimportant to them. They are going to try to implement it anyway.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @anon

    From what I've read, it was only the company's HQ computers that were infected. I never heard that the machines that control the pipeline were infected. They did the prudent thing which was to shut down all computers, until they could assess the damage.

    $5 million sounds like a lot of money, but Colonial was probably losing more than that per hour. The alternative to paying the ransom was to physically toss all equipment (because you have no idea what other crap these guys installed), buy all new gear and restore from the backups you hope you have.

    I am surprised the ransom was so little. IIRC, the city of Atlanta had a similar incident within the past few years, though there has been radio silence about how it was resolved.

    As Nixon's Attorney General John Mitchell once apochryphaly said, "If you know you're going to have to eat shit, you don't want to take small bites."

  8. jon says:

    According to Scott Alexander, the first wave was Atheism, then it was Feminism, now its Racism. What’s next? Based on my read of what I’m seeing as the response to what’s happening in Israel right now, Jewish Privilege seems ripe. Seriously, I’ve never seen actual criticism go unpunished, let alone be applauded.

  9. Wokeness is guaranteed permanence by the framework of workplace civil rights and harassment law, which means that businesses can be sued for not accommodating a woke employee with a protected identity. Look at the Bostock case which extended sex discrimination protections to trans employees

  10. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, such myopia from Scott (it’s given for Brooks). Wokeness is not about Internet SJWs going about their obsessions. Wokism is all about achieving power – that is, who controls whom. To this end, it’s about lowering education standards, weakening military, increasing crime, lowering living standards of productive class and promoting anti-white racism.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Anonymous

    Wokeism is power politics--about gaining and keeping power. It's the age-old desire of man to dominate another (who controls whom).

    In the West, principally with the America Revolution, agreement emerged regarding consensual government. But man's desire to dominate man keeps popping up, e.g. French, Russian Revolutions. And just about every other revolutionary movement since at least 1776 has been an assertion of dominance, a "knowing what's best" perspective, and not forged in an agreement on consent of the people or the rules of governance, as in the American example.

    Internet SJWs, how many genders and pronouns, etc., are an exercise in changing the rules--the ground conditions--in order to keep masses distracted from the main prize--obtaining power.

  11. RE :Scott Alexander

    New Atheism didn’t fail because Christians proved they were wrong about God’s existence. It failed because a hipper generation of young people accepted all their premises but declared them uncool for caring about it too much.

    New Atheism was un-Woke. It was too White male and it hurt the feelings of a sacred group (Muslims). It had to go.

    And so I predicted that hip young people would go far-right.

    But overall I was wrong. Hip young people and conservatism remain as antithetical as ever. Instead, we got the rise of socialism, of the DSA, Bernie Sanders, and Chapo Trap House variety. By this point, you won’t be surprised when I propose the name New Socialism, as a direct analogy to New Atheism, etc. Like atheism, socialism is age-old. But like atheism, it had a moment where it became more online, more confrontational, more celebrity-based, and more popular among a fanbase of mostly well-educated young men.

    Socialism was a way for YTs to counter Wokeness without being pro-White.

    In the same way, the difference between the “socialist” and “liberal” tribes isn’t just whether they subscribe to further-left or centerer-left politics. It’s also whether they love Harry Potter or reflexively scream “READ ANOTHER BOOK” whenever someone mentions it.

    He does know that JK Rowling has been declared guilty of thoughtcrime, right?

    Why did the hope that New Socialism would slay wokeness fail? If I had to guess, I’d say wokeness outgrew the Internet fashion cycle. Unlike its predecessors, it took over mainstream institutions. Mainstream institutions are sticky. You can take control of them by being cool. But once you have control of them, you don’t need to stay cool.

    Essentially correct. Try to name a single important power base in our society (organized religion, media, big business) that is not at least nominally anti-White. You can’t.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Menschmaschine
    @syonredux


    New Atheism was un-Woke. It was too White male and it hurt the feelings of a sacred group (Muslims). It had to go.
     
    Nonsense, New Atheism was Proto-Wokeness. The reason that New Atheism faded in parallel with the rise of Wokeness is simply that Leftists "graduated" from New Atheism to Wokeness.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @slumber_j
    @syonredux

    Yeah, this stuff has been percolating for a long, long time now, and the institutions are thoroughly in its sway: that's why fashion doesn't operate in the Woke realm.

    I've been thinking about this stuff since I was an undergraduate in the mid-Eighties, when I was already bridling against what I privately thought of as the New Orthodoxy. Toward the end of that period it started to be called Political Correctness, and now it's Wokeness, but it's all the same ultimately, and while its inexorable advance has proceeded stepwise and spasmodically, it's always hugged the same trend line.

    This from Ed West baffles me by the way:


    Resisting prevailing cultural norms and beliefs is hard, even in 21st century western societies, which are arguably the most non-conformist in history.
     

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @dfordoom

  12. @syonredux

    This would be fine with me. As I say, there are (at least) two elements to wokeness. One focuses on concrete benefits for the disadvantaged — reparations, more diverse hiring, more equitable housing and economic policies. The other instigates savage word wars among the highly advantaged. If we can have more of the former and less of the latter, we’ll all be better off.
     
    In other words, Brooks is totally OK with the part of Wokeness that has real-world repercussions with non-elites, but doesn't like the the stuff that inconveniences older elites like himself ("What weirdo pronouns do I have to learn now?"). Plus, he wants to keep his cushy job.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @syonredux, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AnotherDad

    Brooks? LOL — he would do and say anything for a paycheck — he’s the NYSlimes “konservative” — quoting him on anything for anything?

  13. Andy says:

    My slight hope that woke ideology will end is that eventually the powers that be realize that it is badly hurting America’s competition with China (who has a pool of a billion people with average IQ 110 and d0n’t have to fill their companies with diversity hires). This realization might come sooner rather than later.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Andy

    Andy wrote:


    My slight hope that woke ideology will end is that eventually the powers that be realize that it is badly hurting America’s competition with China (who has a pool of a billion people with average IQ 110 and d0n’t have to fill their companies with diversity hires).
     
    No: the powers that be don't care.

    They hate this society and most of the people in it.

    Each of them cares about his or her personal success or status within the elite. And hatred for their fellow citizens and for the American Republic is part of what gives them status and success among their peers.

    But they no longer have any sense of concern or loyalty for this society.

    Just look around you.

    Replies: @ia

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Andy

    I don't think you understand who actually runs this government. They're concerned about only one ethnicity in the United States and one country in the Middle East.

    That's the lens that they see China.

    , @Forbes
    @Andy

    There's really no basis for your "hope." Or optimism. TPTB have their own self-interest to attend to--public-spiritedness doesn't exist.

    , @Dandy
    @Andy

    You are assuming that the elites have any attachment whatsoever to the country they were born in and to the people who live there. They clearly don't.

    It's not the Chinese they fear but their own (white) countrymen whom they see as serious competition. Hence so much of their effort go towards eliminating every opportunity that their potential rivals could use to rise to wealth and power on their own.

    If anything, the Chinese elites are essential partners in this endeavour.

  14. “Perhaps it is with the neuro-diverse that our future hopes rests.”

    Saved by Elon and Greta? They have their own ideas about truth.

    The French got rid of Robespierre and ended up the Napoleon, who made a mess of Europe and ruined France.

  15. Wokeness collapses under one of the following three scenarios.

    1. The Woke mob goes after the Jews.
    2. Right-wing White Gentiles overthrow the Jewish ruling class.
    3. The economy collapses.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123

    3.

  16. Brooks tries to have it both ways and ends up thoroughly empty-headed.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  17. anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    The thing we call wokeness contains many elements. At its core is an honest and good-faith effort to grapple with the legacies of racism. In 2021, this element of wokeness has produced more understanding, inclusion and racial progress than we’ve seen in over 50 years.

    David Brooks clearly watches a lot of television. A whole lot of television. Just not certain channels, that’s all.

    The meritocracy has one job: to funnel young people into leadership positions in society.

    But some young people are not really competent enough to qualify for their meritocratic role, yet they must have a place, somehow, because the alternative is unthinkable. Since they cannot actually compete on any unbiased, truly meritocratic scale, an alternative must be found.

    Enter Wokemon points. Ta-da! The problem, it’s…gone! Of course this requires lying, in fact it requires a fair amount of lying; actually, it demands an ever-increasing lie-bubble that must eventually encompass everything and everyone…the past, the present, the future, what is the good and the true and the beautiful … all must be subsumed into the growing blob of delusional lies. But universal lying and self-delusion, with actual real harm done to otherwise innocent people, is a small price to pay for being able to pretend that mediocre individuals who have bene promoted beyond their competence…the “boss’s son”…are really hyper competent and deserving of something like worship.

    tl;dr
    Ibraham Kendhi is a mediocre writer with no original thought, but giving him $10 million and an academic sinecure is a small price to pay to enable everyone to pretend he’s really, really smart. And wise. And deep. And stuff like that. So please, don’t hurt us…

    At some point this extraordinary delusion will fail. How that will happen, and what the fallout will look like, is anyone’s guess. But it might be a bit unpleasant. However, as long as the David Brooks’s of the world are eaten last by the croc of Woke, it’s all good!

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @anon


    Ibraham Kendhi is a mediocre writer with no original thought, but giving him $10 million and an academic sinecure is a small price to pay to enable everyone to pretend he’s really, really smart. And wise. And deep. And stuff like that. So please, don’t hurt us…

    At some point, this extraordinary delusion will fail.
     
    No illusion. And no failure in sight either.
    Rather a strategy. Kendi being just a piece of a word-bridge that runs from the elites to the downtrodden. As such, he functions perfectly well.

    Replies: @anon

  18. Will the Great Awokening become unfashionable and fade away?

    So long as there’s one White person still alive, no. The Woke need their Emmanuel Goldstein in order to maintain group cohesion:

  19. @anonymouseperson
    It was demographic change via immigration, neither wanted or voted for by the public in the west, that enabled all this garbage.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @AndrewR, @Travis, @Eric Novak

    It was demographic change via immigration, neither wanted or voted for by the public in the west, that enabled all this garbage.

    I don’t like immigration either but I don’t agree that it was the cause of this madness. This craziness could not have happened without white liberals. It was white liberals who drove all the craziness of the past sixty years. And it was the corporate sector that funded the craziness.

    If you want to find someone to blame I suggest you look at virtue-signalling whites. Especially middle-class whites.

    It’s also a consequence of the destruction of the Old Left, and the increasing corruption and cynicism of the mainstream Right.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    @dfordoom


    I don’t like immigration either but I don’t agree that it was the cause of this madness. This craziness could not have happened without white liberals. It was white liberals who drove all the craziness of the past sixty years. And it was the corporate sector that funded the craziness.
     
    That's all very true, but mass immigration of congenital leftists from around the globe has only made it worse.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @dfordoom

    I agree, but White wokeness and pathological altruism across the West made mass third-world migration both possible and sustainable. (Granted some migration started much earlier, but there was never an intention to integrate). And this migration will likely be with the West forever. In the short term, you have the usual problem of human tribalism/Balkanization. But even if this tribalism is overcome by assimilation and miscegenation (see Latin/Hispanic America) the result is that the fundamental character of the peoples of the West is altered forever, as is our ability to maintain the benefits of our culture that require a certain average level of IQ. A small amount of migration and miscegenation isn’t always bad. For example, a minor percentage inflow of Japanese genes into, say, White Brits wouldn’t be the end of the world (and maybe even positive) but that’s not what’s happening. Brazil is what’s happening.

    Even without Lefty Jews and dark hordes, wokeness may be the inevitable outcome of the West’s civilizational arc (recall the intellectual underpinnings of Postmodernism came from Whites. Also, all civilizations decline). That said, if we could magically keep the West 90% White, then Wokianity would gently pass. Annoying, sure, and the West would still decline. But the future would be salvageable. Something like a homogeneous Southern Europe that no longer dominates the world but can live in peace and prosperity.

    I’m a bit of a misanthrope, so I’m getting to the point where I blame and hate everyone. The Whites and Conservatives that bent over; the Jews that smoked their own stash and cultivated anti-White sentiment (not a bright idea if you look White [email protected]!); the endless migrants that want to make a foreign land their own without the cost of war; the true believers with their “We Believe” and “BLM” signs completely oblivious to the irony that they’ve become the types of witch burning religious zealots that they always despised.

    If aliens come to conquer the earth, I’m rooting for the aliens. Off to the underground sugar caves for you retards. We deserve it.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Eric Novak
    @dfordoom

    Woke white progressivism gets all of its power from the electoral power of foreign minorities, in whom all political power lies for the left. For thirty years, since the end of the Cold War, in fact even before the USSR was officially dissolved, all American politics has been about keeping the borders open at all costs. Every political calculation in party offices and in Congress always demands the answer to a singular question: How will this affect immigration?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  20. Plausibly this would look like class-first socialists successfully making woke people look ridiculous for caring about a less important problem (symbolic victories and the number of black Fortune 500 CEOs) instead of a more important one (people of all races being poor). When I wrote the first draft of this post a year ago, I thought this was obviously happening.

    ‘People’ already don’t care about how many black CEOs there are. This isn’t caused by popular pressure, it’s an attack on white people by Scott’s co-ethnics.

  21. @anonymouseperson
    It was demographic change via immigration, neither wanted or voted for by the public in the west, that enabled all this garbage.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @AndrewR, @Travis, @Eric Novak

    If you mean the forced importation of African slaves and the gullible acceptance of Jewish immigrants, yes. Otherwise you sound like a fool

  22. @anon
    Reality bites back.

    The Colonial Pipeline fiasco is a wake up call. That supply chains are essential. And people won't tolerate gas lines without pitching a fit. And gasoline, which is usually plentiful doesn't have much supply redundancy if there is disruption. The Fed can supply a lot of liquidity very quickly, but can't print gasoline.

    A little background. The Colonial Pipeline I an Eisenhower Era project, connecting East Coast petroleum users with Texas Gulf Refined Products.

    The amazing thing (to me) is that although the operating company's computers were hacked, nothing really happened. I'm not even sure why they shut it down, other than an abundance of caution. And they paid the ransomeware demand of $5 million.

    The Biden Democrats want to eliminate ICE vehicles by 2035 and be carbon neutral by 2050.

    Housing and cars are suddenly 10%-20% more expensive.

    All this Utopian bloviation facilitated by the Covid time out is facing its first tests in a reopening society. People don't want to pay a few cents more for gasoline, which is still reasonably priced based on $65/bbl oil. They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.

    I find it striking that people both went along with the Covid shutdown for an entire year yet wouldn't wait a few days for the pipeline to restart. The great reset will both begin and end at Davos with nothing on the agenda accomplished.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @El Dato, @dfordoom, @Barnard, @Jim Don Bob

    All this Utopian bloviation facilitated by the Covid time out is facing its first tests in a reopening society. People don’t want to pay a few cents more for gasoline

    We went from Two-Dollar Donald to Three-Buck Biden in a very short time.

    They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.

    Especially when Canadians’ is worse. Wait till Trudeau the Younger gets his 100,000,000!

    That link brings up a fascinating question: if war breaks out between Canada and the Philippines, whose side will we take? What do our defense treaties prescribe in such an event?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    That link brings up a fascinating question: if war breaks out between Canada and the Philippines, whose side will we take?

    The train will be fine.

  23. Are there any truly multiracial societies in which RACE isn’t the main political issue?

    People may tire of the style of Wokeism, but the anti-White agenda is 70 years old. It’s not going away. And on the other hand, White people are not going to keep taking it.

    When White people were a majority, we tolerated an Establishment that hates us because we thought somehow they were decent folk and they looked like us. But as we become a minority, the political dynamics change. Nobody wants the goofy fella that talks high principles. People want fighter for their interests.

  24. @Anon7
    As long as Wokeness is successful in punishing white males, they'll keep it up. It's good business. Got to focus that 2 Minutes Hate on someone.

    In the meantime, is that inflation I see on the horizon? Are we about to have some sort of conflict in the Middle East this summer? Once it gets warm outside, which will result in more destruction - BLM/Antifa marches or black gun violence? Which city will defund its police department first?

    Will China finally get tired of playing second fiddle to the tired US of A? The 20 million people in the country illegally aren't going anywhere - when will Biden fulfill his promise to legalize all the illegals?

    Finally, will the Wokesters support Kamala Harris in putting Joe Biden in a nursing home?

    Stay tuned, iSteve fans. Summer is just around the corner.

    Replies: @Franz

    will the Wokesters support Kamala Harris in putting Joe Biden in a nursing home?

    Bets are running 100 to 1 in favor — Biden is a Zero Year president.

    Reagan and Bush W. beat the jinx, so it’s time for the old trend to reassert itself: Presidents elected on any year with a zero usually die in office. In fact, when Reagan was shot early in his term, heads were nodding — yep, we knew it.

    Interesting lore on this, strictly coincidence, but for over a century there were lots of them:

    “From 1840 through 1960, every United States president elected in a year ending in zero died while in office…”

    https://www.who2.com/list/presidents-elected-in-0-years/

    • Replies: @NickG
    @Franz


    “From 1840 through 1960, every United States president elected in a year ending in zero died while in office…”
     
    But Biden wasn't 'elected' into office!

    Replies: @Franz

  25. @anon
    Reality bites back.

    The Colonial Pipeline fiasco is a wake up call. That supply chains are essential. And people won't tolerate gas lines without pitching a fit. And gasoline, which is usually plentiful doesn't have much supply redundancy if there is disruption. The Fed can supply a lot of liquidity very quickly, but can't print gasoline.

    A little background. The Colonial Pipeline I an Eisenhower Era project, connecting East Coast petroleum users with Texas Gulf Refined Products.

    The amazing thing (to me) is that although the operating company's computers were hacked, nothing really happened. I'm not even sure why they shut it down, other than an abundance of caution. And they paid the ransomeware demand of $5 million.

    The Biden Democrats want to eliminate ICE vehicles by 2035 and be carbon neutral by 2050.

    Housing and cars are suddenly 10%-20% more expensive.

    All this Utopian bloviation facilitated by the Covid time out is facing its first tests in a reopening society. People don't want to pay a few cents more for gasoline, which is still reasonably priced based on $65/bbl oil. They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.

    I find it striking that people both went along with the Covid shutdown for an entire year yet wouldn't wait a few days for the pipeline to restart. The great reset will both begin and end at Davos with nothing on the agenda accomplished.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @El Dato, @dfordoom, @Barnard, @Jim Don Bob

    The amazing thing (to me) is that although the operating company’s computers were hacked, nothing really happened. I’m not even sure why they shut it down, other than an abundance of caution. And they paid the ransomeware demand of $5 million.

    I wouldn’t call a “ransomware attack” a “hack”. It’s of the same quality as leaving the cat flap open and then the badger family comes in and makes a right shit in your house.

    Someone connect a bad laptop to the soft-and-crunchy company network, and it was all over.

    It is likely that “they shut it down” because the machines hosting the pipeline management systems were affected. These generally standard PCs running the standard Windows NT derivative, with industrial control systems on top. These systems may well be badly maintained with unapplied patches (hence known vulnerabilities) because the control system is only certified with a Windows NT from 10 years ago and/or “we can’t take it down” for maintenance. Sometimes to the point of where, when you reboot it, it doesn’t even come back up and panic ensues.

  26. @Morton's toes
    Con:

    The powers that be have an agenda. Call it globalism. Call it cosmopolitanism. Call it whatever. It is completely unambiguous.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIhYhrOJAg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM

    And for the time being opposing it is not an option. Complaining about it is a Loser's Script.

    Pro:

    These guys, James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg think the internet and bitcoin are going to be the undoing of the nation states and for sure our grandchildren are going to have a veritable libertopia where taxpayers are customers and if they don't like the deal they are getting they just get a U-Haul and pack their belongings and move from San Fernando Valley to Orange County or whatever.

    https://www.amazon.com/Sovereign-Individual-Mastering-Transition-Information/dp/0684832720

    The publisher advertises it as Peter Thiel's favorite book. They published it in 1997 and they predicted libertopia will be in place by 2025. That last part I am fairly sure is erroneous.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Dieter Kief, @Rob Lee

    These guys, James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg think the internet and bitcoin are going to be the undoing of the nation states and for sure our grandchildren are going to have a veritable libertopia

    Libertarians are like children. They believe the darnedest things.

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
  27. But wokeness gets weirder when it’s entangled in the perversities of our meritocracy, when it involves demonstrating one’s enlightenment by using language — “problematize,” “heteronormativity,” “cisgender,” “intersectionality” — inculcated in elite schools or with difficult texts.

    David Brooks: when you need someone who has all the clues and still doesn’t get that “meritocrats” have bought their graduation and are either radicalized morons or else sociopaths who can use a good weapon when they see one and who will drive the whole system into the ground.

    If we can have more of the former and less of the latter, we’ll all be better off.

    “The National-Socialist work programs are nice, but we do I really need to attend the course on National-Socialist ideology?”

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @El Dato


    inculcated in elite schools or with difficult texts.
     
    Hahahahahaha! Difficult texts? Elite schools? LOL!

    The mentioned words are jargon used by every pinhead. Brooks should get out more often.
  28. The meritocracy at this level is very competitive. Performing the discourse by canceling and shaming becomes a way of establishing your status and power as an enlightened person. It becomes a way of showing — despite your secret self-doubts — that you really belong. It also becomes a way of showing the world that you are anti-elite, even though you work, study and live in circles that are extremely elite.

    Another sign of this elitism is that it never supports outgroups that might compete for elite status. Transgender people are too small a minority to do so. Blacks and Hispanics have too low an IQ. While there might be some bleating about the Chinese Exclusion Act, the woke do not ask for more immigration from China, and neither do they complain about the Chinese quotas at Ivy League colleges.

  29. Perhaps it is with the neuro-diverse that our future hopes rests.

    Not without those. But those alone – that won’t do.

    The regressive left is successful, because it is top down and bottom up.

  30. @syonredux

    This would be fine with me. As I say, there are (at least) two elements to wokeness. One focuses on concrete benefits for the disadvantaged — reparations, more diverse hiring, more equitable housing and economic policies. The other instigates savage word wars among the highly advantaged. If we can have more of the former and less of the latter, we’ll all be better off.
     
    In other words, Brooks is totally OK with the part of Wokeness that has real-world repercussions with non-elites, but doesn't like the the stuff that inconveniences older elites like himself ("What weirdo pronouns do I have to learn now?"). Plus, he wants to keep his cushy job.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @syonredux, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AnotherDad

    Interesting. I wonder how Mr Brooks would react if the NYTIMES were equally zealous when it comes to identifying Jews…

  31. Anonymous[571] • Disclaimer says:

    It won’t fade away, it will only get far far worse and more entrenched.
    Here’s why:

    Blacks are natural born conmen and hustlers, they have an innate talent and ability to exploit the vain, foolish and gullible, and by jingo, once a black figures out he’s got a chump to exploit, he piles in big time and basically never stop until the chump is sucked dry and nothing but a husk remains. As an added point, blacks are pretty much shameless and upfront about tgeiur victimization.

    The counterpoint is whites, and in particular white women, are, in general, the biggest fattest dumbest species of naive, gullible, limp wristed chump ever to walk the planet. Strangely, this characteristic seems to have come to the fore circa 1900, and to have really dominated by year 2000. Soi, it’s basically the story of the 20th century. ‘Female suffrage’ seems to be have been the herald of chumpdom.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    Blacks are natural born conmen and hustlers,

    You've seen too many blaxploitation flicks.

  32. The meritocracy has one job: to funnel young people into leadership positions in society. It’s very good at doing that. Corporations and other organizations are eager to hire top performers, and one sign of elite credentials is the ability to do the discourse.

    A system of drawing straws or tossing coins could just as easily be used to funnel young people into leadership positions. Presumably, Brooks means that our current system is quite good at selecting the right young people for the right leadership positions. What is the evidence for this? From the standpoint of the governed, maybe there isn’t much. But from the standpoint of the governors . . . It seems to me that our meritocracy selects for relatively bright, narrow-mind grinds who haven’t questioned a prevailing assumption since they pitched a fit in preschool over whether they could get a second serving of ice cream.

    The idea that these people are bucking the system is absurd. It’s embracing the prevailing orthodoxy and it’s attendant platitudes that got them into their positions of power in the first place. Surely any sane system of leadership selection would rely on something more substantive than the candidates’ ability to wield jargon. On so many levels, this argument seems not to make sense. A simpler explanation would be that we have the meritocratic class that we do, because they will say what they’re expected to say, and carry out orders without reservation.

    As someone commented above, Wokeness is about who gets to wield power over others. The oligarchic elites know that a genuinely POC-dominated administrative bureaucracy would work about as well as the Flint water system. So they need some ambitious yet compliant upper-level bureaucrats who will keep the ship floating, more or less, but won’t make any waves.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @black sea

    black sea wrote:


    It seems to me that our meritocracy selects for relatively bright, narrow-mind grinds who haven’t questioned a prevailing assumption since they pitched a fit in preschool over whether they could get a second serving of ice cream.
     
    Ever met anyone with an Ed.D. in the lower ranks of the elite? I know some who I am pretty sure have IQs under 100.

    "Relatively bright" is overly complimentary.

    Replies: @Bill P

  33. @Morton's toes
    Con:

    The powers that be have an agenda. Call it globalism. Call it cosmopolitanism. Call it whatever. It is completely unambiguous.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIhYhrOJAg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM

    And for the time being opposing it is not an option. Complaining about it is a Loser's Script.

    Pro:

    These guys, James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg think the internet and bitcoin are going to be the undoing of the nation states and for sure our grandchildren are going to have a veritable libertopia where taxpayers are customers and if they don't like the deal they are getting they just get a U-Haul and pack their belongings and move from San Fernando Valley to Orange County or whatever.

    https://www.amazon.com/Sovereign-Individual-Mastering-Transition-Information/dp/0684832720

    The publisher advertises it as Peter Thiel's favorite book. They published it in 1997 and they predicted libertopia will be in place by 2025. That last part I am fairly sure is erroneous.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Dieter Kief, @Rob Lee

    Illusions anywhere. That looks almost as if they were an anthropological constant.
    Well – to reveal this dirty secret here in the eye of the worldwide readership of the Steve connaisseurs, hehe: Yes they are. Be it on the left or on the right / Illusions are always in sight! – I propose that as a claim for the Desillusionistic Enlightenment International (DEI***)!

    **** as an aside: This acronym is a little extra joke for the humanistically inclined speakers of the Latin language. I should not run into bigger problems admitting that quite easily at least around here, I guess. could well be different at other places, alright.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Dieter Kief

    "Illusions... can be very powerful"-- as Alec Guinness's Prince Faisal said to Jack Hawkins' Gen. Allenby in "Lawrence of Arabia."

  34. Will the Great Awokening become unfashionable and fade away?

    No, it’s not going to be that easy.

    1) First, the ‘Great Awokening’, as Steve’s apposite terminology suggests, is essentially religious, not political, or even ideological. Regular readers know my stance on this, so I’ll not belabor it here.

    2) Second, the Great Awokening has achieved a surprisingly stable theology/liturgy. I’m not saying all of its superstructure and expressions are rationally coherent (see point 1), but it’s based on just a few fundamentals that are easy to remember, and that yield tremendously satisfactory results almost anywhere they are applied:

    ***The world is not fair.

    ***White people seem to have more than others, so they are to blame for that unfairness.

    ***It’s therefore up to white people to make everything fair for everybody.

    And that’s that. This flexible, durable set of propositions is working just great at the moment.

    In this sense Wokeness is much like climate change. It took a while for the climatistas to make the brilliant switch from ‘global warming’ to ‘climate change’, but it’s been a smashing success. ‘Global warming’ was on its heels as a viable ideology when the Climategate emails came out over a decade ago, revealing that data were being manipulated and misrepresented in order to show that temperatures were rising catastrophically around the world, as the very name ‘global warming’ demanded that they must be.

    But then dumping the claim-making, ‘provable’ term ‘global warming’ relieved climatistas of the constant need to demonstrate such warming, and more importantly opened the door to blaming every deleterious — or simply unpleasant or unseasonable — weather event on the blandly tautological ‘climate change’. Now every heatwave, forest fire, drought, flood, ‘cold snap’ and (I swear I’ve seen this) earthquake can be swiftly and smoothly fitted within the (nonexistent) boundaries of ‘climate change’, and hardly anyone bats an eye; most people now simply accept ‘climate change’ as they would gravity.

    I’m not sure the Woke have yet achieved the terminal (pun intended; forgive me) equivalent of ‘climate change’ with their current favorite ‘White Supremacy’, but they’re getting closer.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The slippery slope with climate change is - the science. The transfer from the elites to the ideological worldview might get a bit tricky over time.
    48 of the 79 bis predictions about climate change made since 1970 have proven wrong. Says the International Journal of Global Warming in a paper published right there. This insight is in the world now. We'll see, what it does to the panic-masters. - Might well be that the non-alarmist Björn Lomborg type of arguments win over time.


    https://notrickszone.com/2021/04/08/48-of-79-catastrophic-climate-change-predictions-have-failed-the-other-31-just-havent-expired-yet/

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @PhysicistDave
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Last Real Calvinist wrote:


    most people now simply accept ‘climate change’ as they would gravity.
     
    Yeah, but of course that is because anyone who knows anything about climate history knows that climate change always occurs, humans or not.

    Their real trick is that anyone in the know is supposed to know that "climate change" really means "anthropogenic global warming."

    So that if, you say, "Yeah, climate change, like the Little Ice Age: I wonder if another one is coming," you will get a withering look and be told "You just don't understand."

    Replies: @puttheforkdown

  35. @anon

    The thing we call wokeness contains many elements. At its core is an honest and good-faith effort to grapple with the legacies of racism. In 2021, this element of wokeness has produced more understanding, inclusion and racial progress than we’ve seen in over 50 years.
     
    David Brooks clearly watches a lot of television. A whole lot of television. Just not certain channels, that's all.

    The meritocracy has one job: to funnel young people into leadership positions in society.
     
    But some young people are not really competent enough to qualify for their meritocratic role, yet they must have a place, somehow, because the alternative is unthinkable. Since they cannot actually compete on any unbiased, truly meritocratic scale, an alternative must be found.

    Enter Wokemon points. Ta-da! The problem, it's...gone! Of course this requires lying, in fact it requires a fair amount of lying; actually, it demands an ever-increasing lie-bubble that must eventually encompass everything and everyone...the past, the present, the future, what is the good and the true and the beautiful ... all must be subsumed into the growing blob of delusional lies. But universal lying and self-delusion, with actual real harm done to otherwise innocent people, is a small price to pay for being able to pretend that mediocre individuals who have bene promoted beyond their competence...the "boss's son"...are really hyper competent and deserving of something like worship.

    tl;dr
    Ibraham Kendhi is a mediocre writer with no original thought, but giving him $10 million and an academic sinecure is a small price to pay to enable everyone to pretend he's really, really smart. And wise. And deep. And stuff like that. So please, don't hurt us...

    At some point this extraordinary delusion will fail. How that will happen, and what the fallout will look like, is anyone's guess. But it might be a bit unpleasant. However, as long as the David Brooks's of the world are eaten last by the croc of Woke, it's all good!

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Ibraham Kendhi is a mediocre writer with no original thought, but giving him $10 million and an academic sinecure is a small price to pay to enable everyone to pretend he’s really, really smart. And wise. And deep. And stuff like that. So please, don’t hurt us…

    At some point, this extraordinary delusion will fail.

    No illusion. And no failure in sight either.
    Rather a strategy. Kendi being just a piece of a word-bridge that runs from the elites to the downtrodden. As such, he functions perfectly well.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Dieter Kief

    No illusion.

    I wrote "delusion", there is a difference, and it is an extraordinary delusion.

    And no failure in sight either.

    True. There won't be, until some sort of preference cascade occurs, and then the failure will seem to be sudden.

    Rather a strategy. Kendi being just a piece of a word-bridge that runs from the elites to the downtrodden. As such, he functions perfectly well.

    He is merely a tree in the forest I am pointing to. A single facet of a larger fractal. An example of a larger set.

    In a different country he would be a minor government functionary at best. The excess of elites leads to this kind of turtle-on-a-post entity, for reasons I have already explicated.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  36. Things that harm wokeness:

    Woke lefty governments assuming they have a mandate to do socialist stuff in the economic sphere – rich whites don’t mind theatrical, cultural lefty stuff that doesn’t hit them in the back pocket, but sometimes this lefty stuff can spill over into things like higher capital gains taxes, especially when they get lucky in a pandemic year and wrongly assume their victory is a mandate for radical economic change.

    Global pandemics – Trumps’s politically naïve stuff up aside, infection diseases aren’t good for the global village, and pandemics, like wars, have a habit of coming in twos and threes.

    Competition – China threatening to become the world’s biggest superpower. Wokeness, like green politics, is a luxury that the wealthy and their hangers on can indulge in when they are a wash with cash and have no serious rivals to contend with.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Alt Right Moderate


    Things that harm wokeness:

    Woke lefty governments assuming they have a mandate to do socialist stuff in the economic sphere – rich whites don’t mind theatrical, cultural lefty stuff that doesn’t hit them in the back pocket, but sometimes this lefty stuff can spill over into things like higher capital gains taxes, especially when they get lucky in a pandemic year and wrongly assume their victory is a mandate for radical economic change.
     
    If Woke lefty governments actually got serious about doing socialist stuff in the economic sphere that would make Wokeism a lot more popular.

    My impression is that Woke lefty governments mostly use Wokeism as a way of avoiding doing doing socialist stuff in the economic sphere.
  37. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Will the Great Awokening become unfashionable and fade away?
     
    No, it's not going to be that easy.

    1) First, the 'Great Awokening', as Steve's apposite terminology suggests, is essentially religious, not political, or even ideological. Regular readers know my stance on this, so I'll not belabor it here.

    2) Second, the Great Awokening has achieved a surprisingly stable theology/liturgy. I'm not saying all of its superstructure and expressions are rationally coherent (see point 1), but it's based on just a few fundamentals that are easy to remember, and that yield tremendously satisfactory results almost anywhere they are applied:

    ***The world is not fair.

    ***White people seem to have more than others, so they are to blame for that unfairness.

    ***It's therefore up to white people to make everything fair for everybody.

    And that's that. This flexible, durable set of propositions is working just great at the moment.

    In this sense Wokeness is much like climate change. It took a while for the climatistas to make the brilliant switch from 'global warming' to 'climate change', but it's been a smashing success. 'Global warming' was on its heels as a viable ideology when the Climategate emails came out over a decade ago, revealing that data were being manipulated and misrepresented in order to show that temperatures were rising catastrophically around the world, as the very name 'global warming' demanded that they must be.

    But then dumping the claim-making, 'provable' term 'global warming' relieved climatistas of the constant need to demonstrate such warming, and more importantly opened the door to blaming every deleterious -- or simply unpleasant or unseasonable -- weather event on the blandly tautological 'climate change'. Now every heatwave, forest fire, drought, flood, 'cold snap' and (I swear I've seen this) earthquake can be swiftly and smoothly fitted within the (nonexistent) boundaries of 'climate change', and hardly anyone bats an eye; most people now simply accept 'climate change' as they would gravity.

    I'm not sure the Woke have yet achieved the terminal (pun intended; forgive me) equivalent of 'climate change' with their current favorite 'White Supremacy', but they're getting closer.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @PhysicistDave

    The slippery slope with climate change is – the science. The transfer from the elites to the ideological worldview might get a bit tricky over time.
    48 of the 79 bis predictions about climate change made since 1970 have proven wrong. Says the International Journal of Global Warming in a paper published right there. This insight is in the world now. We’ll see, what it does to the panic-masters. – Might well be that the non-alarmist Björn Lomborg type of arguments win over time.

    https://notrickszone.com/2021/04/08/48-of-79-catastrophic-climate-change-predictions-have-failed-the-other-31-just-havent-expired-yet/

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Dieter Kief

    "the science"

    The Gaians will get their herd-culling through a variety of means: [S]cience is their current instrument. After pondering the human shit show who can blame them?

  38. @anon
    Reality bites back.

    The Colonial Pipeline fiasco is a wake up call. That supply chains are essential. And people won't tolerate gas lines without pitching a fit. And gasoline, which is usually plentiful doesn't have much supply redundancy if there is disruption. The Fed can supply a lot of liquidity very quickly, but can't print gasoline.

    A little background. The Colonial Pipeline I an Eisenhower Era project, connecting East Coast petroleum users with Texas Gulf Refined Products.

    The amazing thing (to me) is that although the operating company's computers were hacked, nothing really happened. I'm not even sure why they shut it down, other than an abundance of caution. And they paid the ransomeware demand of $5 million.

    The Biden Democrats want to eliminate ICE vehicles by 2035 and be carbon neutral by 2050.

    Housing and cars are suddenly 10%-20% more expensive.

    All this Utopian bloviation facilitated by the Covid time out is facing its first tests in a reopening society. People don't want to pay a few cents more for gasoline, which is still reasonably priced based on $65/bbl oil. They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.

    I find it striking that people both went along with the Covid shutdown for an entire year yet wouldn't wait a few days for the pipeline to restart. The great reset will both begin and end at Davos with nothing on the agenda accomplished.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @El Dato, @dfordoom, @Barnard, @Jim Don Bob

    People don’t want to pay a few cents more for gasoline, which is still reasonably priced based on $65/bbl oil. They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.

    They’re not going to agree to it if the money comes out of their own pockets.

  39. Another guy I liked and respected that made sure everyone knew he was Anti Trump. Make him apologize and grovel.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Danindc

    Another guy I liked and respected...

    Did you also like and respect the sharp crease in Obama's trousers?

    Asking for a friend...

  40. @Andy
    My slight hope that woke ideology will end is that eventually the powers that be realize that it is badly hurting America's competition with China (who has a pool of a billion people with average IQ 110 and d0n't have to fill their companies with diversity hires). This realization might come sooner rather than later.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Forbes, @Dandy

    Andy wrote:

    My slight hope that woke ideology will end is that eventually the powers that be realize that it is badly hurting America’s competition with China (who has a pool of a billion people with average IQ 110 and d0n’t have to fill their companies with diversity hires).

    No: the powers that be don’t care.

    They hate this society and most of the people in it.

    Each of them cares about his or her personal success or status within the elite. And hatred for their fellow citizens and for the American Republic is part of what gives them status and success among their peers.

    But they no longer have any sense of concern or loyalty for this society.

    Just look around you.

    • Agree: Forbes
    • Replies: @ia
    @PhysicistDave


    But they no longer have any sense of concern or loyalty for this society.
     
    True, but alpha males don't like losing. They want women and real estate and you [should] know that real estate is like a beautiful woman, she doesn't sleep with poor, ugly men.

    Blacks are now multiplying on boards of American corporations. Soon there will be struggle sessions where (white) chairmen will be expected to appoint black CEOs or face the mob. They can't relocate to other countries because of universal corporate tax being pushed by the Biden admin, although good luck convincing non-Euros. They may relocate, say, to China. Or Dubai. Or, the Chinese may buy up failing American corporations and simply ignore the racist slander, and accuse wokeness of racism. Or, white alpha males may one day do the same. Anyway, there are several possibilities based on immutable truths of human nature.
  41. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Will the Great Awokening become unfashionable and fade away?
     
    No, it's not going to be that easy.

    1) First, the 'Great Awokening', as Steve's apposite terminology suggests, is essentially religious, not political, or even ideological. Regular readers know my stance on this, so I'll not belabor it here.

    2) Second, the Great Awokening has achieved a surprisingly stable theology/liturgy. I'm not saying all of its superstructure and expressions are rationally coherent (see point 1), but it's based on just a few fundamentals that are easy to remember, and that yield tremendously satisfactory results almost anywhere they are applied:

    ***The world is not fair.

    ***White people seem to have more than others, so they are to blame for that unfairness.

    ***It's therefore up to white people to make everything fair for everybody.

    And that's that. This flexible, durable set of propositions is working just great at the moment.

    In this sense Wokeness is much like climate change. It took a while for the climatistas to make the brilliant switch from 'global warming' to 'climate change', but it's been a smashing success. 'Global warming' was on its heels as a viable ideology when the Climategate emails came out over a decade ago, revealing that data were being manipulated and misrepresented in order to show that temperatures were rising catastrophically around the world, as the very name 'global warming' demanded that they must be.

    But then dumping the claim-making, 'provable' term 'global warming' relieved climatistas of the constant need to demonstrate such warming, and more importantly opened the door to blaming every deleterious -- or simply unpleasant or unseasonable -- weather event on the blandly tautological 'climate change'. Now every heatwave, forest fire, drought, flood, 'cold snap' and (I swear I've seen this) earthquake can be swiftly and smoothly fitted within the (nonexistent) boundaries of 'climate change', and hardly anyone bats an eye; most people now simply accept 'climate change' as they would gravity.

    I'm not sure the Woke have yet achieved the terminal (pun intended; forgive me) equivalent of 'climate change' with their current favorite 'White Supremacy', but they're getting closer.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @PhysicistDave

    The Last Real Calvinist wrote:

    most people now simply accept ‘climate change’ as they would gravity.

    Yeah, but of course that is because anyone who knows anything about climate history knows that climate change always occurs, humans or not.

    Their real trick is that anyone in the know is supposed to know that “climate change” really means “anthropogenic global warming.”

    So that if, you say, “Yeah, climate change, like the Little Ice Age: I wonder if another one is coming,” you will get a withering look and be told “You just don’t understand.”

    • LOL: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @puttheforkdown
    @PhysicistDave

    Cope. Pumping tons of CO2 in the atmosphere to make our lives easier and more hedonistic is going to trash the planet, predictably so. I'm further to the right than most here and I can see it, so you're just a dumb-dumb.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  42. @black sea

    The meritocracy has one job: to funnel young people into leadership positions in society. It’s very good at doing that. Corporations and other organizations are eager to hire top performers, and one sign of elite credentials is the ability to do the discourse.
     
    A system of drawing straws or tossing coins could just as easily be used to funnel young people into leadership positions. Presumably, Brooks means that our current system is quite good at selecting the right young people for the right leadership positions. What is the evidence for this? From the standpoint of the governed, maybe there isn't much. But from the standpoint of the governors . . . It seems to me that our meritocracy selects for relatively bright, narrow-mind grinds who haven't questioned a prevailing assumption since they pitched a fit in preschool over whether they could get a second serving of ice cream.

    The idea that these people are bucking the system is absurd. It's embracing the prevailing orthodoxy and it's attendant platitudes that got them into their positions of power in the first place. Surely any sane system of leadership selection would rely on something more substantive than the candidates' ability to wield jargon. On so many levels, this argument seems not to make sense. A simpler explanation would be that we have the meritocratic class that we do, because they will say what they're expected to say, and carry out orders without reservation.

    As someone commented above, Wokeness is about who gets to wield power over others. The oligarchic elites know that a genuinely POC-dominated administrative bureaucracy would work about as well as the Flint water system. So they need some ambitious yet compliant upper-level bureaucrats who will keep the ship floating, more or less, but won't make any waves.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    black sea wrote:

    It seems to me that our meritocracy selects for relatively bright, narrow-mind grinds who haven’t questioned a prevailing assumption since they pitched a fit in preschool over whether they could get a second serving of ice cream.

    Ever met anyone with an Ed.D. in the lower ranks of the elite? I know some who I am pretty sure have IQs under 100.

    “Relatively bright” is overly complimentary.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @PhysicistDave

    I feel bad for laughing about that because I knew one from childhood. Very sweet girl but dumb as a bag of hammers. She's a teacher now.

  43. The combination of generally higher levels of mental illness and lower intelligence among the Woke will contribute to its gradual demise. Once the leaders reach the limit of SSRI effectiveness, they will not leave their beds, leaving the stupid to post Tik-Tok videos to up the revolution.

  44. @dfordoom
    @anonymouseperson


    It was demographic change via immigration, neither wanted or voted for by the public in the west, that enabled all this garbage.
     
    I don't like immigration either but I don't agree that it was the cause of this madness. This craziness could not have happened without white liberals. It was white liberals who drove all the craziness of the past sixty years. And it was the corporate sector that funded the craziness.

    If you want to find someone to blame I suggest you look at virtue-signalling whites. Especially middle-class whites.

    It's also a consequence of the destruction of the Old Left, and the increasing corruption and cynicism of the mainstream Right.

    Replies: @TTSSYF, @Anonymous Jew, @Eric Novak

    I don’t like immigration either but I don’t agree that it was the cause of this madness. This craziness could not have happened without white liberals. It was white liberals who drove all the craziness of the past sixty years. And it was the corporate sector that funded the craziness.

    That’s all very true, but mass immigration of congenital leftists from around the globe has only made it worse.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @TTSSYF


    That’s all very true, but mass immigration of congenital leftists from around the globe has only made it worse.
     
    Are those immigrants actually congenital leftists? My impression is that it's America that turns them into leftists (or rather Wokeists). And it's the same in other western countries.

    The source of the madness lies within western civilisation itself. When immigrants come to our countries they get infected by craziness like Wokeism. We're the ones doing the infecting.

    And America is busily and aggressively exporting Wokeism to other countries.

    The illness has to be treated at its source. The source is the United States.
  45. Conservative, Inc: Trust the plan

  46. @syonredux
    RE :Scott Alexander

    New Atheism didn't fail because Christians proved they were wrong about God’s existence. It failed because a hipper generation of young people accepted all their premises but declared them uncool for caring about it too much.
     
    New Atheism was un-Woke. It was too White male and it hurt the feelings of a sacred group (Muslims). It had to go.

    And so I predicted that hip young people would go far-right.
     

    But overall I was wrong. Hip young people and conservatism remain as antithetical as ever. Instead, we got the rise of socialism, of the DSA, Bernie Sanders, and Chapo Trap House variety. By this point, you won’t be surprised when I propose the name New Socialism, as a direct analogy to New Atheism, etc. Like atheism, socialism is age-old. But like atheism, it had a moment where it became more online, more confrontational, more celebrity-based, and more popular among a fanbase of mostly well-educated young men.

     

    Socialism was a way for YTs to counter Wokeness without being pro-White.

    In the same way, the difference between the "socialist" and "liberal" tribes isn't just whether they subscribe to further-left or centerer-left politics. It's also whether they love Harry Potter or reflexively scream "READ ANOTHER BOOK" whenever someone mentions it.
     
    He does know that JK Rowling has been declared guilty of thoughtcrime, right?

    Why did the hope that New Socialism would slay wokeness fail? If I had to guess, I’d say wokeness outgrew the Internet fashion cycle. Unlike its predecessors, it took over mainstream institutions. Mainstream institutions are sticky. You can take control of them by being cool. But once you have control of them, you don’t need to stay cool.

     

    Essentially correct. Try to name a single important power base in our society (organized religion, media, big business) that is not at least nominally anti-White. You can't.

    Replies: @Menschmaschine, @slumber_j

    New Atheism was un-Woke. It was too White male and it hurt the feelings of a sacred group (Muslims). It had to go.

    Nonsense, New Atheism was Proto-Wokeness. The reason that New Atheism faded in parallel with the rise of Wokeness is simply that Leftists “graduated” from New Atheism to Wokeness.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Menschmaschine


    Nonsense, New Atheism was Proto-Wokeness. The reason that New Atheism faded in parallel with the rise of Wokeness is simply that Leftists “graduated” from New Atheism to Wokeness.
     
    Not based on what I've seen. The Woke-folk that I encounter routinely attack New Atheism for being anti-Woke.
  47. @Franz
    @Anon7


    will the Wokesters support Kamala Harris in putting Joe Biden in a nursing home?
     
    Bets are running 100 to 1 in favor -- Biden is a Zero Year president.

    Reagan and Bush W. beat the jinx, so it's time for the old trend to reassert itself: Presidents elected on any year with a zero usually die in office. In fact, when Reagan was shot early in his term, heads were nodding -- yep, we knew it.

    Interesting lore on this, strictly coincidence, but for over a century there were lots of them:

    "From 1840 through 1960, every United States president elected in a year ending in zero died while in office..."

    https://www.who2.com/list/presidents-elected-in-0-years/

    Replies: @NickG

    “From 1840 through 1960, every United States president elected in a year ending in zero died while in office…”

    But Biden wasn’t ‘elected’ into office!

    • Replies: @Franz
    @NickG


    But Biden wasn’t ‘elected’ into office!
     
    There is that. And long-ago rumors say JFK had a lot of corpses in Chicago voting for him.

    Let's just say anyone who attains the presidency in a Zero Year, traditionally, is at risk.

    Biden more so because he looks barely functional half the time.
  48. Wokeness is a “two legs bad” ideology. This means that it is both intellectually and spiritually puerile. It is the thin piece of drift wood that you cling onto when spinning in a whirlpool of your own incontinence.

    Interestingly, this is its greatest strength among some of the best. The best need to give care. When most inflated, the best feel that they can dive in and rescue. They therefore will be drawn, when young, to the ideology that collects the most wretched, and Wokeness is wretched to its core.

    It is useful to repeat to them how the wretched are, on one level, so wretched, because they adopt the thought patterns of Wokeness, whereas their caregiving co-travellers never do. They might occasionally claim to a victim category, but dig a little and you’ll always find that is dropped upon first contact.

    [MORE]

    #BLM protestors look mental – everyone can see that. Caregiving young attribute this to society, when, quite obviously, it is a result of the wretched thought patterns of #BLM

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Wretchedness, carrying both its true meaning and its phonological similarity to ratchedness, would be an amusing synonym for Wokeness.

  49. @Triteleia Laxa
    Wokeness is a "two legs bad" ideology. This means that it is both intellectually and spiritually puerile. It is the thin piece of drift wood that you cling onto when spinning in a whirlpool of your own incontinence.

    Interestingly, this is its greatest strength among some of the best. The best need to give care. When most inflated, the best feel that they can dive in and rescue. They therefore will be drawn, when young, to the ideology that collects the most wretched, and Wokeness is wretched to its core.

    It is useful to repeat to them how the wretched are, on one level, so wretched, because they adopt the thought patterns of Wokeness, whereas their caregiving co-travellers never do. They might occasionally claim to a victim category, but dig a little and you'll always find that is dropped upon first contact.



    #BLM protestors look mental - everyone can see that. Caregiving young attribute this to society, when, quite obviously, it is a result of the wretched thought patterns of #BLM

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Wretchedness, carrying both its true meaning and its phonological similarity to ratchedness, would be an amusing synonym for Wokeness.

  50. @anonymouseperson
    It was demographic change via immigration, neither wanted or voted for by the public in the west, that enabled all this garbage.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @AndrewR, @Travis, @Eric Novak

    True, The woke ideology became the dominant religion in the US at the same time Whites became a minority within the United States. 2014 was when whites became a minority among our University students. 2015 was the year white births fell below white deaths, starting the absolute decline in the number of whites in America.

    Most Americans under the age of 55 benefit from woke ideology. White males are just 24% of this age demographic, so we are easy targets. 70% of the current workforce will benefit from the purge of straight white males.

  51. Brooks is a disgrace – the costs associated with what he absurdly calls the ‘good’ parts of wokeness will fall squarely on people who are not part of the elite meritocracy arms race, just ordinary people going about their lives in a country in which the people who control the levers of power are at best indifferent to them, at worst actively hostile.

    Reparations, diverse hiring, equitable whatever means shafting people that have done nothing wrong and possess little political/cultural power for the benefit of people that objectively speaking haven’t earned earned what is to be bestowed on them.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa, Travis
    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Arclight

    Brooks is not a disgrace. He's looking after his own people, as we all should do.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Jack D
    @Arclight

    The Left has always ignored the fact that Affirmative Action is a zero sum game. We are just giving a little leg up to people who have been historically oppressed. What's the harm in that? As Steve says, the Brahmins of the new caste system are named (some of them are actual Brahmins) but the untouchables are never identified.

    This was almost tolerable when the number of seats set aside for the new Brahmin class was small but now it has reached the point where there are hardly any seats left for the unnamed class of Untouchable Cisgender White Males. If you are a white male trying to get into academia in an area where the existing faculty is majority white male then fuggedaboutit. All the new hires are going to be female or minority or both for the foreseeable future until such time as the faculty is race and gender balanced (even in areas like math where talent is not). So for the next 20 or 30 years until the existing white guys die or retire you can forget about a job in academia - they're not hiring even one more white guy. Have you considered teaching middle school? There was a French movie made a while ago about a guy whose corporate career was going nowhere until he pretended to be gay. It's time to do a remake where a guy pretends to be a trannie and his career takes off.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Arclight, @Redman

    , @anon
    @Arclight

    Brooks is a disgrace – the costs associated with what he absurdly calls the ‘good’ parts of wokeness will fall squarely on people who are not part of the elite meritocracy arms race, just ordinary people going about their lives in a country in which the people who control the levers of power are at best indifferent to them, at worst actively hostile.

    That is a feature, not a bug. Because what you describe is merely a reduction in the number of potential competitors for elite status in the bubbleworld Brooks has always lived within.

    There is an overproduction of elites. Not all elite wannabes can actually compete on merit, so they need some different standard of competition that they can actually do OK within. Wokemon points is that different standard.

    Pushing middle class and working class whites out of the "potential elite" category is a feature, not a bug. Not an error, a design requirement. Brooks et al do not want to have some bright young person from flyover manage to get a foothold in their world. Just the opposite, in fact.

    Replies: @Arclight

  52. Will the Great Awokening become unfashionable and fade away?

    I know many will disagree, but I would say – yes. It will collapse in current, extreme form, but what will remain is still bad- numinous non-whites at the lower level of adulation.

    So, it will be, socio-culturally, like the 1990s.

  53. There will be no anti-woke rebellion Millennials won’t save us — but the neuro-diverse might

    People who make categorical statements like this deserve to be ignored.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    If you are depending on a bunch of autists to save your society then you are in deep deep trouble. They might get distracted by the latest video game and forget to show up.

  54. @Franz
    We will be SNAPPED into sobriety by the intense competition that does NOT reward wokeness.

    And what I fine example right here:

    Space race 2: Russian actor bound for ISS in same month as Tom Cruise

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/13/russia-send-actor-director-iss-shoot-first-movie-space

    Will Tom Cruise be the first movie star in space? If Russia has it's way, Nyet! I know what most men will say. Tom, or a fine looking lady? No contest. (For war movie buffs, this is the same gal that played the sniper in The Battle of Sevastopol.)

    Just like Sputnik in 1957, this will shock Americans out of their torpor and create the energy needed for our next great leap forward even if we never had a leap forward before.

    Keep the competition coming, Vlad, it's the only thing Americans need to wake up.

    Replies: @Jack D

    This is just Marx’s maxim (Karl, not Groucho) that history repeats itself, the second time as farce. The first space race was very real and deadly serious – our captured Nazis vs. their captured Nazis. Who can build rockets that can rain nukes on the enemy capital first? ( The space stuff was just a spin-off from the ICBMs.)

    Whose movie star will make it to space first? Who cares. It means nothing. The Russian gal isn’t even a real movie star. I don’t know her and I never heard of that movie. 99% of all Americans couldn’t find Sevastopol on a map and don’t know about any battle that took place there. You’re lucky nowadays if they even know what D-Day was.

    I know Putin would really like to get that whole Cold War thing going again, where the USSR and the USA played in the same league but the sad truth is that Russia is down in the minors now and the next World Series will be played between the US and China.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Franz
    @Jack D

    Actually, Yulia Peresild is a fairly big star in Europe. Makes the cover of their glam magazines and all that. Also stars in big Russian films, some get streaming releases in the US. I thought she was excellent in the Sevastopol movie, but then I've read histories of that part of WWII.

    On the whole your point is right: The highly regarded French author Romain Gary, in his novel The Roots of Heaven, said he'd like all the bric-a-brac associated with nationalism to devolve to football and entertainment; compete in those things and forget about bombs and conquest.

    Seems Gary had the right idea. Rising GNP, better living, space exploration, all that, can be symbolic substitutes for war if we use out heads.

    It won't happen mostly, but in little ways it can be funny. I'd really like seeing Tom Cruise come in second to a Ruskie chick, if only to annoy Cruise. She isn't really Russian even, her last name is Estonian.

  55. @syonredux

    This would be fine with me. As I say, there are (at least) two elements to wokeness. One focuses on concrete benefits for the disadvantaged — reparations, more diverse hiring, more equitable housing and economic policies. The other instigates savage word wars among the highly advantaged. If we can have more of the former and less of the latter, we’ll all be better off.
     
    In other words, Brooks is totally OK with the part of Wokeness that has real-world repercussions with non-elites, but doesn't like the the stuff that inconveniences older elites like himself ("What weirdo pronouns do I have to learn now?"). Plus, he wants to keep his cushy job.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @syonredux, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AnotherDad

    I.e. Is it good for the Jevvs.

    The big question going forward is whether Jevvs can control the mercenaries that they brought in to defeat Badwhites.

  56. @Art Deco
    There will be no anti-woke rebellion Millennials won’t save us — but the neuro-diverse might

    People who make categorical statements like this deserve to be ignored.

    Replies: @Jack D

    If you are depending on a bunch of autists to save your society then you are in deep deep trouble. They might get distracted by the latest video game and forget to show up.

  57. @Arclight
    Brooks is a disgrace - the costs associated with what he absurdly calls the 'good' parts of wokeness will fall squarely on people who are not part of the elite meritocracy arms race, just ordinary people going about their lives in a country in which the people who control the levers of power are at best indifferent to them, at worst actively hostile.

    Reparations, diverse hiring, equitable whatever means shafting people that have done nothing wrong and possess little political/cultural power for the benefit of people that objectively speaking haven't earned earned what is to be bestowed on them.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Jack D, @anon

    Brooks is not a disgrace. He’s looking after his own people, as we all should do.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    As always, it depends upon how one defines their "own people". I would say we whites do defend our "own kind" more often than you believe, just not in the specific ways you prefer.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  58. @Arclight
    Brooks is a disgrace - the costs associated with what he absurdly calls the 'good' parts of wokeness will fall squarely on people who are not part of the elite meritocracy arms race, just ordinary people going about their lives in a country in which the people who control the levers of power are at best indifferent to them, at worst actively hostile.

    Reparations, diverse hiring, equitable whatever means shafting people that have done nothing wrong and possess little political/cultural power for the benefit of people that objectively speaking haven't earned earned what is to be bestowed on them.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Jack D, @anon

    The Left has always ignored the fact that Affirmative Action is a zero sum game. We are just giving a little leg up to people who have been historically oppressed. What’s the harm in that? As Steve says, the Brahmins of the new caste system are named (some of them are actual Brahmins) but the untouchables are never identified.

    This was almost tolerable when the number of seats set aside for the new Brahmin class was small but now it has reached the point where there are hardly any seats left for the unnamed class of Untouchable Cisgender White Males. If you are a white male trying to get into academia in an area where the existing faculty is majority white male then fuggedaboutit. All the new hires are going to be female or minority or both for the foreseeable future until such time as the faculty is race and gender balanced (even in areas like math where talent is not). So for the next 20 or 30 years until the existing white guys die or retire you can forget about a job in academia – they’re not hiring even one more white guy. Have you considered teaching middle school? There was a French movie made a while ago about a guy whose corporate career was going nowhere until he pretended to be gay. It’s time to do a remake where a guy pretends to be a trannie and his career takes off.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    You get a sense reading about the investigation of how crude their techniques were (e.g. arranging for confrontations between competing suspects) and how much they relied on hoo-doo like observing a target's mannerisms. Frank fell under suspicion because he was nervous when they arrived at his house to question him. His defense counsel attempted to construct an alibi for him by using witnesses to build an account of where he was when timed almost to the minute. (It's hard to see how that could possibly work, but perhaps in an era without broadcast media, people's heads were less cluttered). The office messenger who fingered Conley in 1982 said his parents had told him to keep quiet (perhaps figuring that if he got between the authorities and their preferred scapegoat, he would be the replacement scapegoat).

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    How can the disenfranchisement and ostracization of white males in the U.S. not hamper or even destroy the country?? We all know white males are responsible for damn near all technology and advancement in civilization. White males are the greatest resource a country can have in the long run. I think a country/society rises or falls based on have much it values and treats its white males.


    As Steve says, the Brahmins of the new caste system are named (some of them are actual Brahmins)

     

    https://www.insidescience.org/sites/default/files/sites/all/default/files/Apollo-11-mission-control.jpg
    How were we able to advance so far and go to the moon without all the know-it-all genius tech panjeets??

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzcSMweXUAAaJvj.jpg
    , @Arclight
    @Jack D

    Part and parcel of this is that the people who are on the left and are in politics, media, academia, or whatever are overwhelmingly coming from the upper middle class or better have have zero knowledge about the lives of the people beneath them. They aren't people they have lived or worked or socialized with, so their assumptions about the benefits middle or lower class whites have because of their race are entirely personal fantasy, as are they assumptions about the lives and behaviors of blacks of the same classes.

    Our rulers do not understand the people they lord over, and don't care to, either.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Art Deco

    , @Redman
    @Jack D

    Bosom Buddies in the early 1980s. It’s how Tom Hanks got famous.

  59. “. .conservatives are in despair because a hostile ideology — wokeness or social justice or critical race theory — is sweeping across America the way Bolshevism swept across the Russian Empire before the October Revolution in 1917.“

    Not quite correct. While communist ideology was sweeping across Russia, the Bolsheviks were a small group of usurpers who seized power at the very end. Kind of makes me worried as to when our own “woke” Bolsheviks will reveal themselves and do the same.

  60. I have more confidence than Dreher and many other conservatives in the American establishment’s ability to co-opt and water down every radical progressive ideology.

    There might have been enough of an actual rift between the “American establishment” and “radical progressive ideology” when Tom Wolfe wrote Radical Chic, but today, that is hardly the case.

    • Replies: @Redman
    @countenance

    Exactly. Brooks speaks with the unearned confidence of a late age boomer. Because the 1960s “radical progressivism” turned into a marketing gimmick to extract dollars from his huge generation, he believes that’s some sort of universal American truth. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    America is not as unique as Brooks and the like think. A strong moderate strain in any society will indeed water down the radical elements. But where is the moderate strain in America today? The NYT? The Atlantic? CNN? His optimism is based on question-begging platitudes.

  61. @JohnnyWalker123
    Wokeness collapses under one of the following three scenarios.

    1. The Woke mob goes after the Jews.
    2. Right-wing White Gentiles overthrow the Jewish ruling class.
    3. The economy collapses.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    3.

  62. Brooks says: But wokeness gets weirder when it’s entangled in the perversities of our meritocracy, when it involves demonstrating one’s enlightenment by using language — “problematize,” “heteronormativity,” “cisgender,” “intersectionality” — inculcated in elite schools or with difficult texts.
    Kevin Simler had a blog post(Melting Asphalt) from 2015 titled Crony Beliefs where he drew a distinction with beliefs we hold to advantage  us and beliefs that are truer. Crony beliefs we espouse to fit in, ingratiate, hide behind. Crony beliefs serve a purpose but might not be 100% true. He talks about Beliefs acting as employees, Beliefs as clothes we wear as the occasion demands.

    So my example would be rather than articulating a statistical truth such as  “Six percent of Americans(Black Men) commit fifty percent of the murders in America, year after year after year.”
    You would mouth a Crony Belief that gets you Good Thinker strokes from your fellow cocktail party Wokes,”Crime is caused by poverty.”

    It is a great post that breaks down motives for holding Crony beliefs, mostly for wokeness but one or two for mere contrariness.

  63. To me, Anonymous #234 said it best so far. I’ll just add to that. These agendas, feminism, genderbendering, etc. are NOT FADS. They are various aspects of the implementation of Socialism/Communism or let’s just call it purposeful ruination of a country. You must destroy the nuclear family and its sovereignty in order to ruin a society.

    The only reason one or another of these many ctrl-lefty or woke agendas stops for a while is because they’ve won a big battle. The people behind it regroup for the next one, while some other agenda is being pushed on us. Have you seen any little bit of this actually get stopped, much less turned around?

    No, this is about pure power, as #234 wrote. Americans are rightfully proud for having won the 4-decade-long EXTERNAL Cold War, but they’ve not paid attention to the INTERNAL one and are damn near beat right now. They’ve got us surrounded – charge!

    Scott Alexander is missing the big picture, and well, the David Brooks guy isn’t even on our side.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Achmed E. Newman


    or let’s just call it purposeful ruination of a country.
     
    Why would people who are obsessed with power want to actually ruin the society that they hope to control (or the society over which they hope to maintain control)?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous

  64. Wokeness won’t go away until something bad–really bad–happens. And no, an illness with a 99.5% survival rate ain’t that thing.

    Only abject, profound suffering will wipe away this pestilence. Only then, will true virtue be recognized, and appreciated. Until then, fake virtue rules the day.

    I pray the societal descent into hell does not happen in my lifetime. I’m too soft, and decadent. I hate to admit it, but it’s true. Probably, almost all of us are.

    Think about it: “My Side” is having an extremely difficult time combating these pathetic woke losers who long ago traded whiny self-indulgence for personal growth and accomplishment. Do you think we’ll be ready for The Battle For Survival when it really comes? Do you think we’ll be able to handle the mental, emotional and physical demands of any sort of meaningful hardship? I sure as hell don’t.

    Of course the nauseating woke losers won’t make it either. But it won’t be like that joke where if you and I are being chased by a lion, I don’t need to run faster than the lion; I just need to run faster than you. The Suffering, when it comes, won’t work that way. Almost all of us will go down with just a few hardy souls remaining. However this plays out—be it war, a real pandemic, or an asteriod—it’s not something any sane person should wish for or want to be a part of.

    It’s safe to say, though: The survivors won’t be woke. So there’s that.

  65. @Jack D
    @Arclight

    The Left has always ignored the fact that Affirmative Action is a zero sum game. We are just giving a little leg up to people who have been historically oppressed. What's the harm in that? As Steve says, the Brahmins of the new caste system are named (some of them are actual Brahmins) but the untouchables are never identified.

    This was almost tolerable when the number of seats set aside for the new Brahmin class was small but now it has reached the point where there are hardly any seats left for the unnamed class of Untouchable Cisgender White Males. If you are a white male trying to get into academia in an area where the existing faculty is majority white male then fuggedaboutit. All the new hires are going to be female or minority or both for the foreseeable future until such time as the faculty is race and gender balanced (even in areas like math where talent is not). So for the next 20 or 30 years until the existing white guys die or retire you can forget about a job in academia - they're not hiring even one more white guy. Have you considered teaching middle school? There was a French movie made a while ago about a guy whose corporate career was going nowhere until he pretended to be gay. It's time to do a remake where a guy pretends to be a trannie and his career takes off.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Arclight, @Redman

    You get a sense reading about the investigation of how crude their techniques were (e.g. arranging for confrontations between competing suspects) and how much they relied on hoo-doo like observing a target’s mannerisms. Frank fell under suspicion because he was nervous when they arrived at his house to question him. His defense counsel attempted to construct an alibi for him by using witnesses to build an account of where he was when timed almost to the minute. (It’s hard to see how that could possibly work, but perhaps in an era without broadcast media, people’s heads were less cluttered). The office messenger who fingered Conley in 1982 said his parents had told him to keep quiet (perhaps figuring that if he got between the authorities and their preferred scapegoat, he would be the replacement scapegoat).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Stuff like hair evidence has almost always been a joke (the police "experts" just get on the witness stand and make stuff up and lie to this day - juries give them a lot more credibility than they deserve) but in Georgia of that time especially so. These guys were more Keystone Kops than Sherlock Holmes.

    This all happened more than a century ago and everyone involved would be dead by now of old age anyway, but for some reason it is important to some people that Frank be considered guilty (even though the consensus of historians today is that he was innocent). Even if he was guilty, lynching him was wrong so concerning yourself with his guilt or innocence is missing the point.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden, @David In TN

  66. @syonredux
    RE :Scott Alexander

    New Atheism didn't fail because Christians proved they were wrong about God’s existence. It failed because a hipper generation of young people accepted all their premises but declared them uncool for caring about it too much.
     
    New Atheism was un-Woke. It was too White male and it hurt the feelings of a sacred group (Muslims). It had to go.

    And so I predicted that hip young people would go far-right.
     

    But overall I was wrong. Hip young people and conservatism remain as antithetical as ever. Instead, we got the rise of socialism, of the DSA, Bernie Sanders, and Chapo Trap House variety. By this point, you won’t be surprised when I propose the name New Socialism, as a direct analogy to New Atheism, etc. Like atheism, socialism is age-old. But like atheism, it had a moment where it became more online, more confrontational, more celebrity-based, and more popular among a fanbase of mostly well-educated young men.

     

    Socialism was a way for YTs to counter Wokeness without being pro-White.

    In the same way, the difference between the "socialist" and "liberal" tribes isn't just whether they subscribe to further-left or centerer-left politics. It's also whether they love Harry Potter or reflexively scream "READ ANOTHER BOOK" whenever someone mentions it.
     
    He does know that JK Rowling has been declared guilty of thoughtcrime, right?

    Why did the hope that New Socialism would slay wokeness fail? If I had to guess, I’d say wokeness outgrew the Internet fashion cycle. Unlike its predecessors, it took over mainstream institutions. Mainstream institutions are sticky. You can take control of them by being cool. But once you have control of them, you don’t need to stay cool.

     

    Essentially correct. Try to name a single important power base in our society (organized religion, media, big business) that is not at least nominally anti-White. You can't.

    Replies: @Menschmaschine, @slumber_j

    Yeah, this stuff has been percolating for a long, long time now, and the institutions are thoroughly in its sway: that’s why fashion doesn’t operate in the Woke realm.

    I’ve been thinking about this stuff since I was an undergraduate in the mid-Eighties, when I was already bridling against what I privately thought of as the New Orthodoxy. Toward the end of that period it started to be called Political Correctness, and now it’s Wokeness, but it’s all the same ultimately, and while its inexorable advance has proceeded stepwise and spasmodically, it’s always hugged the same trend line.

    This from Ed West baffles me by the way:

    Resisting prevailing cultural norms and beliefs is hard, even in 21st century western societies, which are arguably the most non-conformist in history.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @slumber_j

    "the institutions are thoroughly in its sway"

    Looks like worship of Christ and Capital didn't pay off for conservatives.

    , @dfordoom
    @slumber_j


    This from Ed West baffles me by the way:

    Resisting prevailing cultural norms and beliefs is hard, even in 21st century western societies, which are arguably the most non-conformist in history.
     

     
    Compared to just about any society prior to the 19th century our modern society is quite non-conformist. Social nonconformity didn't start to become tolerated until well into the 19th century.

    But compared to the period from the late 1950s to the early 1990s today's society is very conformist.
  67. Anonymous[594] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Arclight

    The Left has always ignored the fact that Affirmative Action is a zero sum game. We are just giving a little leg up to people who have been historically oppressed. What's the harm in that? As Steve says, the Brahmins of the new caste system are named (some of them are actual Brahmins) but the untouchables are never identified.

    This was almost tolerable when the number of seats set aside for the new Brahmin class was small but now it has reached the point where there are hardly any seats left for the unnamed class of Untouchable Cisgender White Males. If you are a white male trying to get into academia in an area where the existing faculty is majority white male then fuggedaboutit. All the new hires are going to be female or minority or both for the foreseeable future until such time as the faculty is race and gender balanced (even in areas like math where talent is not). So for the next 20 or 30 years until the existing white guys die or retire you can forget about a job in academia - they're not hiring even one more white guy. Have you considered teaching middle school? There was a French movie made a while ago about a guy whose corporate career was going nowhere until he pretended to be gay. It's time to do a remake where a guy pretends to be a trannie and his career takes off.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Arclight, @Redman

    How can the disenfranchisement and ostracization of white males in the U.S. not hamper or even destroy the country?? We all know white males are responsible for damn near all technology and advancement in civilization. White males are the greatest resource a country can have in the long run. I think a country/society rises or falls based on have much it values and treats its white males.

    As Steve says, the Brahmins of the new caste system are named (some of them are actual Brahmins)


    How were we able to advance so far and go to the moon without all the know-it-all genius tech panjeets??

  68. @Jack D
    @Arclight

    The Left has always ignored the fact that Affirmative Action is a zero sum game. We are just giving a little leg up to people who have been historically oppressed. What's the harm in that? As Steve says, the Brahmins of the new caste system are named (some of them are actual Brahmins) but the untouchables are never identified.

    This was almost tolerable when the number of seats set aside for the new Brahmin class was small but now it has reached the point where there are hardly any seats left for the unnamed class of Untouchable Cisgender White Males. If you are a white male trying to get into academia in an area where the existing faculty is majority white male then fuggedaboutit. All the new hires are going to be female or minority or both for the foreseeable future until such time as the faculty is race and gender balanced (even in areas like math where talent is not). So for the next 20 or 30 years until the existing white guys die or retire you can forget about a job in academia - they're not hiring even one more white guy. Have you considered teaching middle school? There was a French movie made a while ago about a guy whose corporate career was going nowhere until he pretended to be gay. It's time to do a remake where a guy pretends to be a trannie and his career takes off.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Arclight, @Redman

    Part and parcel of this is that the people who are on the left and are in politics, media, academia, or whatever are overwhelmingly coming from the upper middle class or better have have zero knowledge about the lives of the people beneath them. They aren’t people they have lived or worked or socialized with, so their assumptions about the benefits middle or lower class whites have because of their race are entirely personal fantasy, as are they assumptions about the lives and behaviors of blacks of the same classes.

    Our rulers do not understand the people they lord over, and don’t care to, either.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Arclight


    Part and parcel of this is that the people who are on the left and are in politics, media, academia, or whatever are overwhelmingly coming from the upper middle class or better have have zero knowledge about the lives of the people beneath them. They aren’t people they have lived or worked or socialized with, so their assumptions about the benefits middle or lower class whites have because of their race are entirely personal fantasy, as are they assumptions about the lives and behaviors of blacks of the same classes.

    Our rulers do not understand the people they lord over, and don’t care to, either.

     

    There's probably a much larger cohort of white aspirants to elite status who anxiously demonstrate their fitness to belong to the ingroup/ruling class (and their own distinctness from their own non-elite origins) by training their fire at downscale whites.

    The problem would be bad if the ideology was sequestered among the elites - the remainder of the population poorly served by these people could rather easily sweep them aside and replace them with new elites. The problem is as bad as it is because of a large number of elite aspirants (many of the thoroughly mediocre sorts who have spent time at middling Universities in the past generation or two) who are numerous enough to join in a coalition which creates politically viable environments for the people associated with wokeism.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Art Deco
    @Arclight

    When Stanley Rothman and Robert Lichter were doing research which compared a sample of business executives (IIRC, the sampling frame selected for senior management) to a sample drawn from the national press corps, they discovered the reporters had tonier backgrounds than business management.

    A dear friend of mine who was 25 years ago a peripheral faculty member told me she quit socializing with other faculty in 1996 because the modal topic of conversation among them was how inadequate were their salaries. The regular crew were all full-time and all but one was tenured.

    Replies: @Arclight

  69. @Andy
    My slight hope that woke ideology will end is that eventually the powers that be realize that it is badly hurting America's competition with China (who has a pool of a billion people with average IQ 110 and d0n't have to fill their companies with diversity hires). This realization might come sooner rather than later.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Forbes, @Dandy

    I don’t think you understand who actually runs this government. They’re concerned about only one ethnicity in the United States and one country in the Middle East.

    That’s the lens that they see China.

  70. @anon
    Reality bites back.

    The Colonial Pipeline fiasco is a wake up call. That supply chains are essential. And people won't tolerate gas lines without pitching a fit. And gasoline, which is usually plentiful doesn't have much supply redundancy if there is disruption. The Fed can supply a lot of liquidity very quickly, but can't print gasoline.

    A little background. The Colonial Pipeline I an Eisenhower Era project, connecting East Coast petroleum users with Texas Gulf Refined Products.

    The amazing thing (to me) is that although the operating company's computers were hacked, nothing really happened. I'm not even sure why they shut it down, other than an abundance of caution. And they paid the ransomeware demand of $5 million.

    The Biden Democrats want to eliminate ICE vehicles by 2035 and be carbon neutral by 2050.

    Housing and cars are suddenly 10%-20% more expensive.

    All this Utopian bloviation facilitated by the Covid time out is facing its first tests in a reopening society. People don't want to pay a few cents more for gasoline, which is still reasonably priced based on $65/bbl oil. They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.

    I find it striking that people both went along with the Covid shutdown for an entire year yet wouldn't wait a few days for the pipeline to restart. The great reset will both begin and end at Davos with nothing on the agenda accomplished.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @El Dato, @dfordoom, @Barnard, @Jim Don Bob

    They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.

    What makes you think we will be given a choice? The plan is to cut off the ability to buy gas powered cars which the government and the automakers are working on together. That they have no plan to efficiently produce and distribute electricity to power the vehicles needed, even in their Utopian vision of the vehicles being too expensive for 80% of the population, forcing us into electric buses and trains is unimportant to them. They are going to try to implement it anyway.

  71. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    You get a sense reading about the investigation of how crude their techniques were (e.g. arranging for confrontations between competing suspects) and how much they relied on hoo-doo like observing a target's mannerisms. Frank fell under suspicion because he was nervous when they arrived at his house to question him. His defense counsel attempted to construct an alibi for him by using witnesses to build an account of where he was when timed almost to the minute. (It's hard to see how that could possibly work, but perhaps in an era without broadcast media, people's heads were less cluttered). The office messenger who fingered Conley in 1982 said his parents had told him to keep quiet (perhaps figuring that if he got between the authorities and their preferred scapegoat, he would be the replacement scapegoat).

    Replies: @Jack D

    Stuff like hair evidence has almost always been a joke (the police “experts” just get on the witness stand and make stuff up and lie to this day – juries give them a lot more credibility than they deserve) but in Georgia of that time especially so. These guys were more Keystone Kops than Sherlock Holmes.

    This all happened more than a century ago and everyone involved would be dead by now of old age anyway, but for some reason it is important to some people that Frank be considered guilty (even though the consensus of historians today is that he was innocent). Even if he was guilty, lynching him was wrong so concerning yourself with his guilt or innocence is missing the point.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jack D

    It wasn’t dubious hair evidence that convicted Frank. There was no way to prove or disprove that the short dark hair mixed with Mary’s shoulder length reddish blonde was Frank’s

    What that hair proved without a doubt was that Mary had no physical contact with a black man that day; or since she last washed her hair.

    Only 3 men in the factory that day. Frizzy negro hair black man light brown Caucasian hair 14 yr old office boy and dark brown or black Caucasian hair Leo Frank.

    The short dark hair mixed with Mary’s could not possibly prove who raped and murdered her. But it was indisputable evidence that it wasn’t a negro or light brown haired White man who murdered her.

    The hair was just investigation information, like what men were in the factory that day. The hair wasn’t mentioned in the trial at all because it wasn’t evidence of Frank’s guilt. Just evidence Conley and the office boy hadn’t been on top of Mary.

    Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy are White men. Whites don’t defend than and claim they were innocent in solidarity with the White race. White and black women beat their kids to death. White and black women don’t spend more than 100 years defending notorious moms who kill
    Their kids.

    But this Jewish insanity that no Jew in the last 3,000 years has ever done anything that wasn’t highly moral law abiding and virtuous is just well, insane. I haven’t noticed any blacks defending serial killer Samuel Little. Even blacks are more sane reasonable and honest than Jews when it comes to unreasonable defense of black murderers.

    Jewish San Francisco ADAs are trying for a recall of pro criminal 5th generation communist Jew District attorney chesa Boudin. They are loyal to the county and their jobs as prosecutors, not to a 5 generation pro criminal Jew like Larry Kramer.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Alden
    @Jack D

    After more than a century of lying Jewish propaganda that Frank was innocent, it’s obvious why historians think he was innocent. Every book and article available claims he was innocent and that the evil goyim falsely accused and believed 18 little lying slut shiksa starvation wage factory workers about Frank.

    Plus, any historian that published the truth, that Frank did the rape murder wouldn’t be a historian much longer. He or she’d be out of a job and unemployable.

    The rape murder of Mary Phgan was local news. Sensational local news for a while but local news. But crime happens. Rape is fairly common. Murder less common, but rape victims who resist often get killed. Aggressive unacceptable sex harassment of starvation wage women by their employer’s happens all the time.

    What makes this rape murder so different from all the other rape murders that happened in that year? Why is it so well known?

    Because jews think jews are above the law. Jews think Jews have the god given right. to rape and if they resist, kill any little unclean abomination of a shiksa they want.

    I’d like to see the autopsy report. She might have been strangled. It’s a common way rape victims are murdered unintentionally. To make her hold still the man puts his forearm on her neck and she dies.

    It was jews defending Frank for 100 years that made the case famous.

    , @David In TN
    @Jack D

    Many strange currents about the Mary Phagan murder. In 1913 Georgia, would a black male janitor murder a pretty white girl at his work station and stay there expecting to talk the police into charging his white boss for the crime?

    The police believed if Conley had killed Mary Phagan he would have run off. Southern white men in 1913 would NEVER allow a black male to get away with murdering a white girl if they believed him guilty. Today, they just might out of Tom Wolfe's Great White Defendant concept.

    Leo Frank's attorney in his closing called Conley a "filthy, lying Negro," and said something like: "The crime was a Negro thing to do."

    Frank's attorney didn't use the word "Negro," rather another word also starting with "N."

    The 12 Southern white men on the jury believed Conley. Would they have if Frank was not Jewish? The best defense lawyers in the South couldn't shake his story on cross-examination.

    Yes, lynching Leo Frank was WRONG. He would likely have been released after a number of years. There was a case for reasonable doubt, especially with Alonzo Mann's story.

  72. … I’m less alarmed by all of this because I have more confidence than Dreher and many other conservatives in the American establishment’s ability to co-opt and water down every radical progressive ideology. In the 1960s, left-wing radicals wanted to overthrow capitalism. We ended up with Whole Foods. The co-optation of wokeness seems to be happening right now.

    We’ve been hearing this from the “Conservatives” for 50 years; “Don’t worry about those Socialist radicals, they’re just posing, because in the end everybody loves money. Don’t worry about those immigrants, they’ll certainly adopt our culture, because in the end, everybody loves money.”

    Meanwhile, our “money” is debased, our culture is completely degraded, and Conservative Inc. seems blind to the concept that the goal is complete, unquestionable power over what was America, and once achieved, money is irrelevant for what can be a long while. It’s like Conservative Inc. believes Evil wouldn’t be profitable and therefore doesn’t exist.

  73. @Morton's toes
    Con:

    The powers that be have an agenda. Call it globalism. Call it cosmopolitanism. Call it whatever. It is completely unambiguous.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIhYhrOJAg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM

    And for the time being opposing it is not an option. Complaining about it is a Loser's Script.

    Pro:

    These guys, James Dale Davidson and William Rees-Mogg think the internet and bitcoin are going to be the undoing of the nation states and for sure our grandchildren are going to have a veritable libertopia where taxpayers are customers and if they don't like the deal they are getting they just get a U-Haul and pack their belongings and move from San Fernando Valley to Orange County or whatever.

    https://www.amazon.com/Sovereign-Individual-Mastering-Transition-Information/dp/0684832720

    The publisher advertises it as Peter Thiel's favorite book. They published it in 1997 and they predicted libertopia will be in place by 2025. That last part I am fairly sure is erroneous.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Dieter Kief, @Rob Lee

    The unimaginable horror, hovering invisibly overhead yet inherent in such a transition to the digital age is obvious… what happens when the plug is pulled and all goes out? All of it, just gone. EMP, terrorist destruction of infrastructure, incompetents in charge of the grid, etc., whatever the cause. The dependence on technology is what drove Frank Herbert’s ‘Dune’ culture to rebel against the machine – rise of the Mentats and all that. Is all of that really so far-fetched?

    The only ones who would survive the initial darkening at that point – literally – will be the ones who are able to adapt to a near instantaneous primitive relapse. Hand-sewn fields and base agriculture, the manufacture and repair of firearms, tools, etc. Middle Ages here we come! Lots of ‘near preppers‘ are already halfway there. My brother lives in rural Wisconsin, in a little town that literally barters between one another (eggs for ore, medicine for oats, etc.). That kind of close-knit culture is certainly ready for dis-culturation, but most aren’t. Once the phones, tablets, cell-signals, etc., simply cease to exist, the urban denizens will look at one another with blank looks, then the panic begins.

    Funny thing is: does it seem to any of you like some people want this to happen?

  74. @Jack D
    @Arclight

    The Left has always ignored the fact that Affirmative Action is a zero sum game. We are just giving a little leg up to people who have been historically oppressed. What's the harm in that? As Steve says, the Brahmins of the new caste system are named (some of them are actual Brahmins) but the untouchables are never identified.

    This was almost tolerable when the number of seats set aside for the new Brahmin class was small but now it has reached the point where there are hardly any seats left for the unnamed class of Untouchable Cisgender White Males. If you are a white male trying to get into academia in an area where the existing faculty is majority white male then fuggedaboutit. All the new hires are going to be female or minority or both for the foreseeable future until such time as the faculty is race and gender balanced (even in areas like math where talent is not). So for the next 20 or 30 years until the existing white guys die or retire you can forget about a job in academia - they're not hiring even one more white guy. Have you considered teaching middle school? There was a French movie made a while ago about a guy whose corporate career was going nowhere until he pretended to be gay. It's time to do a remake where a guy pretends to be a trannie and his career takes off.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous, @Arclight, @Redman

    Bosom Buddies in the early 1980s. It’s how Tom Hanks got famous.

  75. @countenance
    I have more confidence than Dreher and many other conservatives in the American establishment’s ability to co-opt and water down every radical progressive ideology.

    There might have been enough of an actual rift between the "American establishment" and "radical progressive ideology" when Tom Wolfe wrote Radical Chic, but today, that is hardly the case.

    Replies: @Redman

    Exactly. Brooks speaks with the unearned confidence of a late age boomer. Because the 1960s “radical progressivism” turned into a marketing gimmick to extract dollars from his huge generation, he believes that’s some sort of universal American truth. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    America is not as unique as Brooks and the like think. A strong moderate strain in any society will indeed water down the radical elements. But where is the moderate strain in America today? The NYT? The Atlantic? CNN? His optimism is based on question-begging platitudes.

  76. I’m less alarmed by all of this because I have more confidence than Dreher and many other conservatives in the American establishment’s ability to co-opt and water down every radical progressive ideology.

    I don’t expect much from Brooks but this is ridiculously naive (or intentionally misleading depending upon the reader’s interpretation). The American establishment has been the cause of every radical progressive ideology, not the bulwark against it. The establishment promoted women’s suffrage, immigration, the welfare state, etc and is currently eagerly promoting the racial/gender “justice” craze. The establishment has always been an early adopter of each new progressive ideal and then it is pushed onto the proles beneath them. These ideologies are so unnatural that they could have never survived and become widespread if not for the support from the elites.

  77. There is a devastating drought brewing in the Southwest. Apparently the Hoover Dam barely has enough water from the Colorado River to keep producing ” clean energy.” The non climate change meteorologists are predicting a robust hurricane season here in the east. The point of all this, and there is a lot more like them, is reality will be meeting the great awokening with things like food-water shortages and power blackouts. To make matters worse, we aging and retiring boomers still tend to work in those fields. Most truckers are old too, and with the Mississippi River has been shutdown to shipping due to a bridge failure in Memphis(?) trucking play a huge part in providing comfort for Americans. Nature abhors a vacuum. The woke are nothing but a vacuum.

  78. KL says:

    “lower brow colleges like Evergreen and Missouri [got woke]”

    University of Missouri is just two hours from ground zero Ferguson. But Evergreen is a useless arts college that accepts 98% of applicants.

    There are woke protests at rich liberal playgrounds like Brown and Yale. But there are none at MIT, Caltech, or any other place with “tech” in the name. The ratio of money to responsibility governs the idle time available for woke foolishness.

  79. The other instigates savage word wars among the highly advantaged. If we can have more of the former and less of the latter, we’ll all be better off.

    Brooks is out of his depth, purposely naive, and probably both.

    The use of semantically engineered jargon, often with imprecise and shifting meanings, is a hallmark of totalitarian regimes. These words like “heteronormative” and “white supremacy” are just variations on other words used in similar fashion in the past like “bourgeoisie” and “kulak.” The important factor is the relationship of the jargon to real power, and the ability to wield power arbitrarily or vindictively through use of the jargon as cover for the true power dynamic. It’s not a “word war” when the FBI is using the jargon seriously as a means of interpreting its law enforcement mandate.

    The Awokening is in many ways simply the emergence of a new ruling regime, largely coincidental with the “emergent Democratic majority” of the Judis/Teixeira theorem (Steve’s KKKrazy Glue Coalition), and the jargon serves to reinforce its power hierarchy based upon its current political needs. The whites and Jews who are within the new ruling regime use the woke jargon in order to police the bounds of the ingroup and display their loyalty to it and to the assorted racial, sexuality-based, and psychologically disturbed constituencies that supply the new regime with its political potency. The fringe elements benefit from the false esteem generated by those in power engaging in exhibitionist abuse of atomized members of the outgroup (largely consisting of the core American population which is nearly universally white) who are presumptively “white supremacists” who deserve outrageously disproportionate punishments.

    So, the jargon may change in the future but it will not change the reality of the jargon’s purpose, nor the power that it serves.

  80. @Dieter Kief
    @Morton's toes

    Illusions anywhere. That looks almost as if they were an anthropological constant.
    Well - to reveal this dirty secret here in the eye of the worldwide readership of the Steve connaisseurs, hehe: Yes they are. Be it on the left or on the right / Illusions are always in sight! - I propose that as a claim for the Desillusionistic Enlightenment International (DEI***)!

    **** as an aside: This acronym is a little extra joke for the humanistically inclined speakers of the Latin language. I should not run into bigger problems admitting that quite easily at least around here, I guess. could well be different at other places, alright.

    Replies: @Prester John

    “Illusions… can be very powerful”– as Alec Guinness’s Prince Faisal said to Jack Hawkins’ Gen. Allenby in “Lawrence of Arabia.”

  81. Anonymous[747] • Disclaimer says:

    One of Steve’s funner points I’ve taken away over the years was on Topic T, his suggestion that Trump was vax’d (vaxxed?) against fashionable elite stupidity by dyslexia (he also diagnosed Quentin Tarantino with this, I don’t know on what basis). This bears a subtle sociological point about the fake-it-till-you-make-it ethos of the propositional nation.

    Trump was doing so badly at faking being a bigshot, instead of being content as merely an extremely rich person in a city full of them, that he eventually inadvertently grokked how a blowhard of calibrated irresponsibility could face far less competition for popular prestige, to mix metaphors.

    He is “diverse” neurologically, indeed. This is all that remains of practical, modeled freedom in 2021, when the high-IQ non-diverse nomenklatura are holding down a pillow over Joe Sixpack’s face while screaming “Supremacist!” at him. If someone has the “Plagiarist!” clip from “Re-Animator” please post here:

  82. anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight
    Brooks is a disgrace - the costs associated with what he absurdly calls the 'good' parts of wokeness will fall squarely on people who are not part of the elite meritocracy arms race, just ordinary people going about their lives in a country in which the people who control the levers of power are at best indifferent to them, at worst actively hostile.

    Reparations, diverse hiring, equitable whatever means shafting people that have done nothing wrong and possess little political/cultural power for the benefit of people that objectively speaking haven't earned earned what is to be bestowed on them.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Jack D, @anon

    Brooks is a disgrace – the costs associated with what he absurdly calls the ‘good’ parts of wokeness will fall squarely on people who are not part of the elite meritocracy arms race, just ordinary people going about their lives in a country in which the people who control the levers of power are at best indifferent to them, at worst actively hostile.

    That is a feature, not a bug. Because what you describe is merely a reduction in the number of potential competitors for elite status in the bubbleworld Brooks has always lived within.

    There is an overproduction of elites. Not all elite wannabes can actually compete on merit, so they need some different standard of competition that they can actually do OK within. Wokemon points is that different standard.

    Pushing middle class and working class whites out of the “potential elite” category is a feature, not a bug. Not an error, a design requirement. Brooks et al do not want to have some bright young person from flyover manage to get a foothold in their world. Just the opposite, in fact.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @anon

    This is a good point - and fits with my general position that our elites, for all their posturing, do no actually care at all about those they claim to.

  83. Anonymous[747] • Disclaimer says:

    Cognoscenti have had a really bad 2021 so far, no?

    After the sugar high of the Barry Obama Nobel Prize after-school special, 2017 was the last year scraping this depth of aggravation for them. But cf. dog, vomit

  84. @slumber_j
    @syonredux

    Yeah, this stuff has been percolating for a long, long time now, and the institutions are thoroughly in its sway: that's why fashion doesn't operate in the Woke realm.

    I've been thinking about this stuff since I was an undergraduate in the mid-Eighties, when I was already bridling against what I privately thought of as the New Orthodoxy. Toward the end of that period it started to be called Political Correctness, and now it's Wokeness, but it's all the same ultimately, and while its inexorable advance has proceeded stepwise and spasmodically, it's always hugged the same trend line.

    This from Ed West baffles me by the way:


    Resisting prevailing cultural norms and beliefs is hard, even in 21st century western societies, which are arguably the most non-conformist in history.
     

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @dfordoom

    “the institutions are thoroughly in its sway”

    Looks like worship of Christ and Capital didn’t pay off for conservatives.

  85. When Peak Leftism becomes uncool dogma, as it will, the cultural prophets will rebrand themselves as the vanguard of the next wave.

    Mom. Apple Pie. Common Sense. Old School Values. Straight Talk. Law and order.

    They’ll reach back into their closets for the dusty flag to cloak themselves in.

  86. @Dieter Kief
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The slippery slope with climate change is - the science. The transfer from the elites to the ideological worldview might get a bit tricky over time.
    48 of the 79 bis predictions about climate change made since 1970 have proven wrong. Says the International Journal of Global Warming in a paper published right there. This insight is in the world now. We'll see, what it does to the panic-masters. - Might well be that the non-alarmist Björn Lomborg type of arguments win over time.


    https://notrickszone.com/2021/04/08/48-of-79-catastrophic-climate-change-predictions-have-failed-the-other-31-just-havent-expired-yet/

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “the science”

    The Gaians will get their herd-culling through a variety of means: [S]cience is their current instrument. After pondering the human shit show who can blame them?

  87. Davey Brooks better pray I never get rich, because if I do I will become the George Soros of the right wing and he and his ilk are going to fucking pay.

    Glad you’re OK with this state of things, but can we talk about what it it means to be co-opted by corporate America? Hippy culture moderately expanding the options for self-expression among cubicle dwellers seems like a different thing than what we’re heading for. Woke capital is not a blow against the establishment, it is a mopping up operation by the establishment, a way to permanently end class based threats to the status quo.

    Let’s say we reach a new normal with DIE eating say 10-15% of corporate positions/payroll, but pretty much only cancelling people who really ask for it. Racial quotas and disparate impact standards for every damn thing, further consolidating the power of the 1%. Any objection to the new normal will immediately be denounced as pining for Jim Crow, whiny losers upset that they no longer play life on easy mode.

    But at least will have equity. Gini coefficient will be positively medieval, but the racial skew will be minimal. They might have to burn down some huwhite working class neighborhoods to get there, but what’s a few eggs in pursuit of DIE?

  88. @Arclight
    @Jack D

    Part and parcel of this is that the people who are on the left and are in politics, media, academia, or whatever are overwhelmingly coming from the upper middle class or better have have zero knowledge about the lives of the people beneath them. They aren't people they have lived or worked or socialized with, so their assumptions about the benefits middle or lower class whites have because of their race are entirely personal fantasy, as are they assumptions about the lives and behaviors of blacks of the same classes.

    Our rulers do not understand the people they lord over, and don't care to, either.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Art Deco

    Part and parcel of this is that the people who are on the left and are in politics, media, academia, or whatever are overwhelmingly coming from the upper middle class or better have have zero knowledge about the lives of the people beneath them. They aren’t people they have lived or worked or socialized with, so their assumptions about the benefits middle or lower class whites have because of their race are entirely personal fantasy, as are they assumptions about the lives and behaviors of blacks of the same classes.

    Our rulers do not understand the people they lord over, and don’t care to, either.

    There’s probably a much larger cohort of white aspirants to elite status who anxiously demonstrate their fitness to belong to the ingroup/ruling class (and their own distinctness from their own non-elite origins) by training their fire at downscale whites.

    The problem would be bad if the ideology was sequestered among the elites – the remainder of the population poorly served by these people could rather easily sweep them aside and replace them with new elites. The problem is as bad as it is because of a large number of elite aspirants (many of the thoroughly mediocre sorts who have spent time at middling Universities in the past generation or two) who are numerous enough to join in a coalition which creates politically viable environments for the people associated with wokeism.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    The problem would be bad if the ideology was sequestered among the elites – the remainder of the population poorly served by these people could rather easily sweep them aside and replace them with new elites. The problem is as bad as it is because of a large number of elite aspirants (many of the thoroughly mediocre sorts who have spent time at middling Universities in the past generation or two) who are numerous enough to join in a coalition which creates politically viable environments for the people associated with wokeism.
     
    Yep. The true elites might be very few in numbers but the elite aspirants (or wannabe elites) and the dependents of the elites are indeed very numerous. They include virtually all schoolteachers, large parts of the healing and caring professions (nurses, social workers, youth workers, assorted therapists), lots of low and mid-ranking bureaucrats, virtually all journalists (not just the highly paid ones at the New York Times or on TV/cable news but even the lowest-ranking members of that profession0, lots of middle-management and even junior management types.

    It adds up to a very substantial slice of the population which is fiercely loyal to the elites and to elite ideologies.
  89. Will Thinking David Brooks Argues in Good Faith Go Out of Fashion?

  90. @Arclight
    @Jack D

    Part and parcel of this is that the people who are on the left and are in politics, media, academia, or whatever are overwhelmingly coming from the upper middle class or better have have zero knowledge about the lives of the people beneath them. They aren't people they have lived or worked or socialized with, so their assumptions about the benefits middle or lower class whites have because of their race are entirely personal fantasy, as are they assumptions about the lives and behaviors of blacks of the same classes.

    Our rulers do not understand the people they lord over, and don't care to, either.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Art Deco

    When Stanley Rothman and Robert Lichter were doing research which compared a sample of business executives (IIRC, the sampling frame selected for senior management) to a sample drawn from the national press corps, they discovered the reporters had tonier backgrounds than business management.

    A dear friend of mine who was 25 years ago a peripheral faculty member told me she quit socializing with other faculty in 1996 because the modal topic of conversation among them was how inadequate were their salaries. The regular crew were all full-time and all but one was tenured.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Art Deco

    I definitely think one of the animating forces in the media and academia is a sense of grievance about how they are paid relative to how they feel people of their stature/education ought to be paid. I saw an item recently about what staff at the NYT are paid at different levels and although a staff reporter making $100K isn't peanuts, it's not going that far in NYC.

    My neighbor is a tenured professor (in a soft humanities field) and in casual conversations it's clear that he feels he should be making quite a bit more than he does. He is a very smart guy - more intelligent than myself, I can admit - and feels that the delta between my income in the business world and his in academia is unjust. He just sort of waves off my comments that he has guaranteed benefits and job security unknown to 95% of the population and those are worth a ton on top of his salary.

  91. this strikes me as a particularly unintelligent question. as if it were 1921 and asking if communism was about to run it’s course and go out of fashion. this communism thing is about to go out of style. like bell bottoms. been there, done that. what’s next? i can’t imagine anybody being into communism past 1924 or 25 at the latest.

    like communism, wokeism, which is straight up a form of communism by the way, can only be stopped by force. it will only ‘go out of fashion’ after it has reduced the country to a smoldering ruin, and America is forced to give up wokeism after a defeat at the hands of China. wokeism can and will go on for decades before that resounding economic and military loss looming in the future, which is a near certainty at this point.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    @prime noticer

    Demographic and, therefore political, marginalization of whites is not decades away. It was decades away when the middle aged and older readers of Steve Sailer began reading his online column at Vdare 21 years ago.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    , @dfordoom
    @prime noticer


    like communism, wokeism, which is straight up a form of communism by the way
     
    This is the point at which I stopped taking you seriously.

    The scary thing is that you probably genuinely believe this.
  92. @syonredux

    This would be fine with me. As I say, there are (at least) two elements to wokeness. One focuses on concrete benefits for the disadvantaged — reparations, more diverse hiring, more equitable housing and economic policies. The other instigates savage word wars among the highly advantaged. If we can have more of the former and less of the latter, we’ll all be better off.
     
    In other words, Brooks is totally OK with the part of Wokeness that has real-world repercussions with non-elites, but doesn't like the the stuff that inconveniences older elites like himself ("What weirdo pronouns do I have to learn now?"). Plus, he wants to keep his cushy job.

    Replies: @Getaclue, @syonredux, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @AnotherDad

    The thing we call wokeness contains many elements. At its core is an honest and good-faith effort to grapple with the legacies of racism. In 2021, this element of wokeness has produced more understanding, inclusion and racial progress than we’ve seen in over 50 years.

    This paragraph is one of the “dumbest” and most dishonest things Brooks as ever written–which is saying something. Nothing is remotely “honest” or in “good faith” about wokeness.

    Brooks fundamental problem: he–like a lot of Jewish “conservatives”, is basically a minoritarian who wanted the great minoritarian revolution to stop in a nice comfy place for … Jews like David Brooks.

    But once you make blacks–the oppression of blacks–the raison d’etre for delegitimating WASPs, freedom of association, majority rule, republican government, borders, having a nation, America! … then hey “It’s 2020 and blacks are still suffering!”… oppression!, racism!, take to the streets! The revolution rolls on. Right on past Brooks. He’s a minoritarian Menshevik.

    [MORE]

    The reason i put “dumbest” in quotes, is this may well be Brooks being “smart”–about his career.

    Maybe his much, much younger wife wants to have a baby? Or maybe she just expects a certain lifestyle and if he wants to enjoy her 30-something charms … Brooks needs to provide it? And the NYT columnist gig helps with selling books and speaking fees–milking the cow.

    So maybe it’s not “dumb”, but just cynical.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @anon
    @AnotherDad

    So maybe it’s not “dumb”, but just cynical.

    The latter is much more likely. Pants-Crease Brooks isn't clever enough to be a major character in a novel by Dostoyevsky, but he could be a minor functionary in something by Gogol.

    "Après moi, le déluge" -- attributed to Louis XV of France

    , @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    Brooks and Douthat work for the latest Sulzberger scion. They're shills. The rest is style.

    Brooks' previous marriage was dissolved in November 2013. Your best guess as to when he separated from the first Mrs. Brooks would be June 2012, so he's been carrying on with the current Mrs. Brooks for > 9 years. An ordinary woman of 36 has two (or three?) babies in her. Your chances aren't enhanced by relying on a man of nearly 60 (and his bottle of blue pills). I don't think the current Mrs. Brooks is getting any kids out of this shabby deal.

  93. @Anonymous
    Wow, such myopia from Scott (it's given for Brooks). Wokeness is not about Internet SJWs going about their obsessions. Wokism is all about achieving power - that is, who controls whom. To this end, it's about lowering education standards, weakening military, increasing crime, lowering living standards of productive class and promoting anti-white racism.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Wokeism is power politics–about gaining and keeping power. It’s the age-old desire of man to dominate another (who controls whom).

    In the West, principally with the America Revolution, agreement emerged regarding consensual government. But man’s desire to dominate man keeps popping up, e.g. French, Russian Revolutions. And just about every other revolutionary movement since at least 1776 has been an assertion of dominance, a “knowing what’s best” perspective, and not forged in an agreement on consent of the people or the rules of governance, as in the American example.

    Internet SJWs, how many genders and pronouns, etc., are an exercise in changing the rules–the ground conditions–in order to keep masses distracted from the main prize–obtaining power.

  94. @Andy
    My slight hope that woke ideology will end is that eventually the powers that be realize that it is badly hurting America's competition with China (who has a pool of a billion people with average IQ 110 and d0n't have to fill their companies with diversity hires). This realization might come sooner rather than later.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Forbes, @Dandy

    There’s really no basis for your “hope.” Or optimism. TPTB have their own self-interest to attend to–public-spiritedness doesn’t exist.

  95. @Andy
    My slight hope that woke ideology will end is that eventually the powers that be realize that it is badly hurting America's competition with China (who has a pool of a billion people with average IQ 110 and d0n't have to fill their companies with diversity hires). This realization might come sooner rather than later.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Forbes, @Dandy

    You are assuming that the elites have any attachment whatsoever to the country they were born in and to the people who live there. They clearly don’t.

    It’s not the Chinese they fear but their own (white) countrymen whom they see as serious competition. Hence so much of their effort go towards eliminating every opportunity that their potential rivals could use to rise to wealth and power on their own.

    If anything, the Chinese elites are essential partners in this endeavour.

  96. anon[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief
    @anon


    Ibraham Kendhi is a mediocre writer with no original thought, but giving him $10 million and an academic sinecure is a small price to pay to enable everyone to pretend he’s really, really smart. And wise. And deep. And stuff like that. So please, don’t hurt us…

    At some point, this extraordinary delusion will fail.
     
    No illusion. And no failure in sight either.
    Rather a strategy. Kendi being just a piece of a word-bridge that runs from the elites to the downtrodden. As such, he functions perfectly well.

    Replies: @anon

    No illusion.

    I wrote “delusion”, there is a difference, and it is an extraordinary delusion.

    And no failure in sight either.

    True. There won’t be, until some sort of preference cascade occurs, and then the failure will seem to be sudden.

    Rather a strategy. Kendi being just a piece of a word-bridge that runs from the elites to the downtrodden. As such, he functions perfectly well.

    He is merely a tree in the forest I am pointing to. A single facet of a larger fractal. An example of a larger set.

    In a different country he would be a minor government functionary at best. The excess of elites leads to this kind of turtle-on-a-post entity, for reasons I have already explicated.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @anon

    Right.
    I liked your last line a lot, about the croc of Woke and the David Brooks's.

    I might add: Seen from the - disillusioned - perspective here on iSteve especially it is quite a miracle, how this Ibram X. Kendi, etc. (Ta Nehisi-Coates) pseudo-acknowledgments are taken seriously in Europe.

    This is all thin ice, but over here, it holds. In serious German papers like Die ZEIT and FAZ not least (lots of well-meaning (young) women taking the side of the suppressed - Blacks - and fleeing from the horrors of - the populist (and or: fascist/racist/antisemitic...) white trash (David Goodhart's Somewheres, the French's Yellow Vests, the voters of Salvini in Italy and Marine le Pen in France...

  97. @dfordoom
    @anonymouseperson


    It was demographic change via immigration, neither wanted or voted for by the public in the west, that enabled all this garbage.
     
    I don't like immigration either but I don't agree that it was the cause of this madness. This craziness could not have happened without white liberals. It was white liberals who drove all the craziness of the past sixty years. And it was the corporate sector that funded the craziness.

    If you want to find someone to blame I suggest you look at virtue-signalling whites. Especially middle-class whites.

    It's also a consequence of the destruction of the Old Left, and the increasing corruption and cynicism of the mainstream Right.

    Replies: @TTSSYF, @Anonymous Jew, @Eric Novak

    I agree, but White wokeness and pathological altruism across the West made mass third-world migration both possible and sustainable. (Granted some migration started much earlier, but there was never an intention to integrate). And this migration will likely be with the West forever. In the short term, you have the usual problem of human tribalism/Balkanization. But even if this tribalism is overcome by assimilation and miscegenation (see Latin/Hispanic America) the result is that the fundamental character of the peoples of the West is altered forever, as is our ability to maintain the benefits of our culture that require a certain average level of IQ. A small amount of migration and miscegenation isn’t always bad. For example, a minor percentage inflow of Japanese genes into, say, White Brits wouldn’t be the end of the world (and maybe even positive) but that’s not what’s happening. Brazil is what’s happening.

    Even without Lefty Jews and dark hordes, wokeness may be the inevitable outcome of the West’s civilizational arc (recall the intellectual underpinnings of Postmodernism came from Whites. Also, all civilizations decline). That said, if we could magically keep the West 90% White, then Wokianity would gently pass. Annoying, sure, and the West would still decline. But the future would be salvageable. Something like a homogeneous Southern Europe that no longer dominates the world but can live in peace and prosperity.

    I’m a bit of a misanthrope, so I’m getting to the point where I blame and hate everyone. The Whites and Conservatives that bent over; the Jews that smoked their own stash and cultivated anti-White sentiment (not a bright idea if you look White [email protected]!); the endless migrants that want to make a foreign land their own without the cost of war; the true believers with their “We Believe” and “BLM” signs completely oblivious to the irony that they’ve become the types of witch burning religious zealots that they always despised.

    If aliens come to conquer the earth, I’m rooting for the aliens. Off to the underground sugar caves for you retards. We deserve it.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Anonymous Jew


    I agree, but White wokeness and pathological altruism across the West made mass third-world migration both possible and sustainable.
     
    No, it was to a large extent the greed of both big business and small business (and farmers who like paying starvation wages to those who do menial work like fruit-picking) that made third-world immigration both inevitable and sustainable. There's nothing altruistic about the desire of big business (and small business) for cheap labour and expanding markets.

    Even without Lefty Jews and dark hordes, wokeness may be the inevitable outcome of the West’s civilizational arc (recall the intellectual underpinnings of Postmodernism came from Whites. Also, all civilizations decline).
     
    Wokeness may be the inevitable outcome for a society saturated in mass media. And now social media. Would things like the Great Awokening and #metoo have been possible without social media?

    That said, if we could magically keep the West 90% White, then Wokianity would gently pass.
     
    Unlikely. Wokeness, feminism, the LGBTwhatever stuff, #metoo, etc all depend on white virtue-signalling. As long as there are white people they will virtue-signal.
  98. anon[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @syonredux


    The thing we call wokeness contains many elements. At its core is an honest and good-faith effort to grapple with the legacies of racism. In 2021, this element of wokeness has produced more understanding, inclusion and racial progress than we’ve seen in over 50 years.
     
    This paragraph is one of the "dumbest" and most dishonest things Brooks as ever written--which is saying something. Nothing is remotely "honest" or in "good faith" about wokeness.


    Brooks fundamental problem: he--like a lot of Jewish "conservatives", is basically a minoritarian who wanted the great minoritarian revolution to stop in a nice comfy place for ... Jews like David Brooks.

    But once you make blacks--the oppression of blacks--the raison d'etre for delegitimating WASPs, freedom of association, majority rule, republican government, borders, having a nation, America! ... then hey "It's 2020 and blacks are still suffering!"... oppression!, racism!, take to the streets! The revolution rolls on. Right on past Brooks. He's a minoritarian Menshevik.

    The reason i put "dumbest" in quotes, is this may well be Brooks being "smart"--about his career.

    Maybe his much, much younger wife wants to have a baby? Or maybe she just expects a certain lifestyle and if he wants to enjoy her 30-something charms ... Brooks needs to provide it? And the NYT columnist gig helps with selling books and speaking fees--milking the cow.

    So maybe it's not "dumb", but just cynical.

    Replies: @anon, @Art Deco

    So maybe it’s not “dumb”, but just cynical.

    The latter is much more likely. Pants-Crease Brooks isn’t clever enough to be a major character in a novel by Dostoyevsky, but he could be a minor functionary in something by Gogol.

    “Après moi, le déluge” — attributed to Louis XV of France

  99. Unlike the CIA corporates use “trends” to make profit another day.

    Just take South Africa. When Nelson Mandela and peers came to power the mining industrial complex offered stock options and affirmative action bribes to thwart nationalization.

    This morphed into Black Economic Empowerment or BEE. On paper these woke-like policies were designed to “redress the effects of apartheid” but the reality has been discrimination against Afrikaners of Dutch, German and French Protestant descent.

    The main beneficiaries of BEE were politically-connected former “Marxist” blacks like Cyril Ramaphosa the current republican president whose net worth is estimated to be $464 million.

    In fact according to the World Bank South Africa is now the most unequal country in the world. This has worsened since 1994.

  100. @El Dato

    But wokeness gets weirder when it’s entangled in the perversities of our meritocracy, when it involves demonstrating one’s enlightenment by using language — “problematize,” “heteronormativity,” “cisgender,” “intersectionality” — inculcated in elite schools or with difficult texts.
     
    David Brooks: when you need someone who has all the clues and still doesn't get that "meritocrats" have bought their graduation and are either radicalized morons or else sociopaths who can use a good weapon when they see one and who will drive the whole system into the ground.

    If we can have more of the former and less of the latter, we’ll all be better off.
     
    "The National-Socialist work programs are nice, but we do I really need to attend the course on National-Socialist ideology?"

    Replies: @Forbes

    inculcated in elite schools or with difficult texts.

    Hahahahahaha! Difficult texts? Elite schools? LOL!

    The mentioned words are jargon used by every pinhead. Brooks should get out more often.

  101. @anon
    Reality bites back.

    The Colonial Pipeline fiasco is a wake up call. That supply chains are essential. And people won't tolerate gas lines without pitching a fit. And gasoline, which is usually plentiful doesn't have much supply redundancy if there is disruption. The Fed can supply a lot of liquidity very quickly, but can't print gasoline.

    A little background. The Colonial Pipeline I an Eisenhower Era project, connecting East Coast petroleum users with Texas Gulf Refined Products.

    The amazing thing (to me) is that although the operating company's computers were hacked, nothing really happened. I'm not even sure why they shut it down, other than an abundance of caution. And they paid the ransomeware demand of $5 million.

    The Biden Democrats want to eliminate ICE vehicles by 2035 and be carbon neutral by 2050.

    Housing and cars are suddenly 10%-20% more expensive.

    All this Utopian bloviation facilitated by the Covid time out is facing its first tests in a reopening society. People don't want to pay a few cents more for gasoline, which is still reasonably priced based on $65/bbl oil. They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.

    I find it striking that people both went along with the Covid shutdown for an entire year yet wouldn't wait a few days for the pipeline to restart. The great reset will both begin and end at Davos with nothing on the agenda accomplished.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @El Dato, @dfordoom, @Barnard, @Jim Don Bob

    From what I’ve read, it was only the company’s HQ computers that were infected. I never heard that the machines that control the pipeline were infected. They did the prudent thing which was to shut down all computers, until they could assess the damage.

    $5 million sounds like a lot of money, but Colonial was probably losing more than that per hour. The alternative to paying the ransom was to physically toss all equipment (because you have no idea what other crap these guys installed), buy all new gear and restore from the backups you hope you have.

    I am surprised the ransom was so little. IIRC, the city of Atlanta had a similar incident within the past few years, though there has been radio silence about how it was resolved.

    As Nixon’s Attorney General John Mitchell once apochryphaly said, “If you know you’re going to have to eat shit, you don’t want to take small bites.”

  102. Unfortunately we missed our big chance with Trump’s loss in 2020. Had he won, there would have been an intra-party civil war between the moderate-left and the hard-left. Hard-left likely would have been expelled.

    With the Biden/Kamala victory they’re completely emboldened and will go even harder left. There is a hope in the short term that they get way over their skis and wokism collapses under it’s own weight.

    There are grumblings that I hear about even on the left. But everyone is still too terrified to say anything. It would take a really strong preference cascade to break the spell.

  103. The meritocracy has one job: to funnel young people into leadership positions in society. It’s very good at doing that.

    You mean people like Rachel Maddow and Pete Buttigieg?

    Does David Brooks ever tire of looking like an idiot in print?

  104. It’s interesting that these ideologies get compared to hippies instead of Leninist/Maoist thought that they more closely resemble, and … uh … didn’t just get lazy and move onto something else.

  105. Highly relevant and worth reading:

    Angela Nagle, “How the Libs Owned Us All”

    https://angelanagle.substack.com/p/how-the-libs-owned-us-all

    The Establishment is really good at coopting the appealing ideas of its challengers, thus it is able to remain the Establishment.

  106. @AnotherDad
    @syonredux


    The thing we call wokeness contains many elements. At its core is an honest and good-faith effort to grapple with the legacies of racism. In 2021, this element of wokeness has produced more understanding, inclusion and racial progress than we’ve seen in over 50 years.
     
    This paragraph is one of the "dumbest" and most dishonest things Brooks as ever written--which is saying something. Nothing is remotely "honest" or in "good faith" about wokeness.


    Brooks fundamental problem: he--like a lot of Jewish "conservatives", is basically a minoritarian who wanted the great minoritarian revolution to stop in a nice comfy place for ... Jews like David Brooks.

    But once you make blacks--the oppression of blacks--the raison d'etre for delegitimating WASPs, freedom of association, majority rule, republican government, borders, having a nation, America! ... then hey "It's 2020 and blacks are still suffering!"... oppression!, racism!, take to the streets! The revolution rolls on. Right on past Brooks. He's a minoritarian Menshevik.

    The reason i put "dumbest" in quotes, is this may well be Brooks being "smart"--about his career.

    Maybe his much, much younger wife wants to have a baby? Or maybe she just expects a certain lifestyle and if he wants to enjoy her 30-something charms ... Brooks needs to provide it? And the NYT columnist gig helps with selling books and speaking fees--milking the cow.

    So maybe it's not "dumb", but just cynical.

    Replies: @anon, @Art Deco

    Brooks and Douthat work for the latest Sulzberger scion. They’re shills. The rest is style.

    Brooks’ previous marriage was dissolved in November 2013. Your best guess as to when he separated from the first Mrs. Brooks would be June 2012, so he’s been carrying on with the current Mrs. Brooks for > 9 years. An ordinary woman of 36 has two (or three?) babies in her. Your chances aren’t enhanced by relying on a man of nearly 60 (and his bottle of blue pills). I don’t think the current Mrs. Brooks is getting any kids out of this shabby deal.

  107. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Stuff like hair evidence has almost always been a joke (the police "experts" just get on the witness stand and make stuff up and lie to this day - juries give them a lot more credibility than they deserve) but in Georgia of that time especially so. These guys were more Keystone Kops than Sherlock Holmes.

    This all happened more than a century ago and everyone involved would be dead by now of old age anyway, but for some reason it is important to some people that Frank be considered guilty (even though the consensus of historians today is that he was innocent). Even if he was guilty, lynching him was wrong so concerning yourself with his guilt or innocence is missing the point.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden, @David In TN

    It wasn’t dubious hair evidence that convicted Frank. There was no way to prove or disprove that the short dark hair mixed with Mary’s shoulder length reddish blonde was Frank’s

    What that hair proved without a doubt was that Mary had no physical contact with a black man that day; or since she last washed her hair.

    Only 3 men in the factory that day. Frizzy negro hair black man light brown Caucasian hair 14 yr old office boy and dark brown or black Caucasian hair Leo Frank.

    The short dark hair mixed with Mary’s could not possibly prove who raped and murdered her. But it was indisputable evidence that it wasn’t a negro or light brown haired White man who murdered her.

    The hair was just investigation information, like what men were in the factory that day. The hair wasn’t mentioned in the trial at all because it wasn’t evidence of Frank’s guilt. Just evidence Conley and the office boy hadn’t been on top of Mary.

    Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy are White men. Whites don’t defend than and claim they were innocent in solidarity with the White race. White and black women beat their kids to death. White and black women don’t spend more than 100 years defending notorious moms who kill
    Their kids.

    But this Jewish insanity that no Jew in the last 3,000 years has ever done anything that wasn’t highly moral law abiding and virtuous is just well, insane. I haven’t noticed any blacks defending serial killer Samuel Little. Even blacks are more sane reasonable and honest than Jews when it comes to unreasonable defense of black murderers.

    Jewish San Francisco ADAs are trying for a recall of pro criminal 5th generation communist Jew District attorney chesa Boudin. They are loyal to the county and their jobs as prosecutors, not to a 5 generation pro criminal Jew like Larry Kramer.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alden

    What that hair proved without a doubt was that Mary had no physical contact with a black man that day; or since she last washed her hair.

    The term 'proved' does not mean what you fancy it means.

  108. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Stuff like hair evidence has almost always been a joke (the police "experts" just get on the witness stand and make stuff up and lie to this day - juries give them a lot more credibility than they deserve) but in Georgia of that time especially so. These guys were more Keystone Kops than Sherlock Holmes.

    This all happened more than a century ago and everyone involved would be dead by now of old age anyway, but for some reason it is important to some people that Frank be considered guilty (even though the consensus of historians today is that he was innocent). Even if he was guilty, lynching him was wrong so concerning yourself with his guilt or innocence is missing the point.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden, @David In TN

    After more than a century of lying Jewish propaganda that Frank was innocent, it’s obvious why historians think he was innocent. Every book and article available claims he was innocent and that the evil goyim falsely accused and believed 18 little lying slut shiksa starvation wage factory workers about Frank.

    Plus, any historian that published the truth, that Frank did the rape murder wouldn’t be a historian much longer. He or she’d be out of a job and unemployable.

    The rape murder of Mary Phgan was local news. Sensational local news for a while but local news. But crime happens. Rape is fairly common. Murder less common, but rape victims who resist often get killed. Aggressive unacceptable sex harassment of starvation wage women by their employer’s happens all the time.

    What makes this rape murder so different from all the other rape murders that happened in that year? Why is it so well known?

    Because jews think jews are above the law. Jews think Jews have the god given right. to rape and if they resist, kill any little unclean abomination of a shiksa they want.

    I’d like to see the autopsy report. She might have been strangled. It’s a common way rape victims are murdered unintentionally. To make her hold still the man puts his forearm on her neck and she dies.

    It was jews defending Frank for 100 years that made the case famous.

  109. Part of the problem of wokeness and hiring is that a disproportionate part of the American economy is controlled by a large corporations and government entities which have the power to exclude people from The Good Life of mortgages, cars, and vacations.

    Not surprisingly people who belong to groups that are misfits in society want to have their shot at it too.

    When I worked in a prison, we had various weirdos like a pretty young woman correctional officer with a masculine haircut who wanted to be addressed as sir.

    But the truth is that in the long run such people survive and succeed, or don’t succeed and fail based on their performance and their ability to do the job.

    I don’t know if she was good at her job or not as she did not work the same hours as as me, but if she was unable to obtain the respect of the inmates, she will probably have quit the job eventually.

    Of course with jobs like correctional officers, you always have the question as to who wants to apply for these jobs in the first place, and what alternative employment they have, so you do not ask for too much.

    If white people don’t want to be involved in competing for these corporate and government jobs, then they still have the option open to them of operating family businesses, rather like the Indians who are not coders often do.

    Wokeism is on the news a lot of the present time, but there have been some excesses, and in a while things will calm down.

    In England Boris Johnson is talking about introducing a new law by which colleges and universities who cancel guest speakers maybe fined up to half a million pounds for denial of free speech.

    Piers Morgan of the Daily Mail has a lot of support for principled anti-wokeism.

    Politicians and judges in the US can run for office on anti-woke platforms at all levels if they want to.

    As Bob Marley said: “For every action a reaction.”

    All things shall pass.

  110. @PhysicistDave
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Last Real Calvinist wrote:


    most people now simply accept ‘climate change’ as they would gravity.
     
    Yeah, but of course that is because anyone who knows anything about climate history knows that climate change always occurs, humans or not.

    Their real trick is that anyone in the know is supposed to know that "climate change" really means "anthropogenic global warming."

    So that if, you say, "Yeah, climate change, like the Little Ice Age: I wonder if another one is coming," you will get a withering look and be told "You just don't understand."

    Replies: @puttheforkdown

    Cope. Pumping tons of CO2 in the atmosphere to make our lives easier and more hedonistic is going to trash the planet, predictably so. I’m further to the right than most here and I can see it, so you’re just a dumb-dumb.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @puttheforkdown

    puttheforkdown wrote to me:


    Pumping tons of CO2 in the atmosphere to make our lives easier and more hedonistic is going to trash the planet, predictably so. I’m further to the right than most here and I can see it, so you’re just a dumb-dumb.
     
    Well... I have a Ph.D. in physics from Stanford and I have been following climate research for over a half century.

    But you think you know more than I do about the technical issues?

    Okaaaayyy. I am glad to see that you have (very) high self esteem.

    You might have noted that I actually did not say anything about global warming: I merely addressed the behavior of some of the cultists (i.e., people like you).

    Yes, the globe has warmed in the last couple centuries: this was common knowledge back in the mid-twentieth century (I first learned about it from my great grandmother way back in the 1960s.).

    And, yes, anthropogenic CO2 is part of that story, though definitely not the whole story (check out the "Little Ice Age").

    But the claims that anthropogenic CO2 will "trash the planet" are utter and complete nonsense. The Pleistocene/Holocene is an usually chilly time in earth history. At most, we will return global temperatures to their geologically normal state.

    Do you think that before you call someone else a "dumb-dumb" you might try learning at least a bit of the relevant science?

    Nah. Of course not.

    (To anyone sincerely interested in the science, check out the new book Unsettled by eminent physicist Steve Koonin, who is a former professor at my own alma mater, Caltech, and was Obama's Undersecretary of Energy for Science.)
  111. ia says:
    @PhysicistDave
    @Andy

    Andy wrote:


    My slight hope that woke ideology will end is that eventually the powers that be realize that it is badly hurting America’s competition with China (who has a pool of a billion people with average IQ 110 and d0n’t have to fill their companies with diversity hires).
     
    No: the powers that be don't care.

    They hate this society and most of the people in it.

    Each of them cares about his or her personal success or status within the elite. And hatred for their fellow citizens and for the American Republic is part of what gives them status and success among their peers.

    But they no longer have any sense of concern or loyalty for this society.

    Just look around you.

    Replies: @ia

    But they no longer have any sense of concern or loyalty for this society.

    True, but alpha males don’t like losing. They want women and real estate and you [should] know that real estate is like a beautiful woman, she doesn’t sleep with poor, ugly men.

    Blacks are now multiplying on boards of American corporations. Soon there will be struggle sessions where (white) chairmen will be expected to appoint black CEOs or face the mob. They can’t relocate to other countries because of universal corporate tax being pushed by the Biden admin, although good luck convincing non-Euros. They may relocate, say, to China. Or Dubai. Or, the Chinese may buy up failing American corporations and simply ignore the racist slander, and accuse wokeness of racism. Or, white alpha males may one day do the same. Anyway, there are several possibilities based on immutable truths of human nature.

  112. @PhysicistDave
    @black sea

    black sea wrote:


    It seems to me that our meritocracy selects for relatively bright, narrow-mind grinds who haven’t questioned a prevailing assumption since they pitched a fit in preschool over whether they could get a second serving of ice cream.
     
    Ever met anyone with an Ed.D. in the lower ranks of the elite? I know some who I am pretty sure have IQs under 100.

    "Relatively bright" is overly complimentary.

    Replies: @Bill P

    I feel bad for laughing about that because I knew one from childhood. Very sweet girl but dumb as a bag of hammers. She’s a teacher now.

  113. Too many Americans benefit now from wokeness.
    The majority of Americans under the age of 45 profit from wokeness, as it helps them get jobs, get into the top Universities and advance their careers at the expense of white males. Today straight White males are just 25% of the working age population. And even white males can benefit from wokeness if they have non-white children. 10% of whites now have non-white children or grandchildren. Wokeness helps their kids and grandchildren gain access to careers and colleges.

    The great awakening is due to our changing demographics and will not end until Whites are are excluded from political power, excluded from the top Universities and excluded from the top jobs. This may take another decade, when congress will be majority non-white and the majority of CEOs are non-white. Already the top Universities are majority non-White, which is due to demographics and affirmative action. The woke agenda will generate the same results across all institutions including our congress. We are in the first phase of the great awakening. Anyone who fights back will be blacklisted, cancelled and fired from their jobs. There is no end in sight to the great awakening. Our changing demographics ensures it will get worse soon before it gets really bad.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  114. @Alden
    @Jack D

    It wasn’t dubious hair evidence that convicted Frank. There was no way to prove or disprove that the short dark hair mixed with Mary’s shoulder length reddish blonde was Frank’s

    What that hair proved without a doubt was that Mary had no physical contact with a black man that day; or since she last washed her hair.

    Only 3 men in the factory that day. Frizzy negro hair black man light brown Caucasian hair 14 yr old office boy and dark brown or black Caucasian hair Leo Frank.

    The short dark hair mixed with Mary’s could not possibly prove who raped and murdered her. But it was indisputable evidence that it wasn’t a negro or light brown haired White man who murdered her.

    The hair was just investigation information, like what men were in the factory that day. The hair wasn’t mentioned in the trial at all because it wasn’t evidence of Frank’s guilt. Just evidence Conley and the office boy hadn’t been on top of Mary.

    Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy are White men. Whites don’t defend than and claim they were innocent in solidarity with the White race. White and black women beat their kids to death. White and black women don’t spend more than 100 years defending notorious moms who kill
    Their kids.

    But this Jewish insanity that no Jew in the last 3,000 years has ever done anything that wasn’t highly moral law abiding and virtuous is just well, insane. I haven’t noticed any blacks defending serial killer Samuel Little. Even blacks are more sane reasonable and honest than Jews when it comes to unreasonable defense of black murderers.

    Jewish San Francisco ADAs are trying for a recall of pro criminal 5th generation communist Jew District attorney chesa Boudin. They are loyal to the county and their jobs as prosecutors, not to a 5 generation pro criminal Jew like Larry Kramer.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    What that hair proved without a doubt was that Mary had no physical contact with a black man that day; or since she last washed her hair.

    The term ‘proved’ does not mean what you fancy it means.

  115. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Stuff like hair evidence has almost always been a joke (the police "experts" just get on the witness stand and make stuff up and lie to this day - juries give them a lot more credibility than they deserve) but in Georgia of that time especially so. These guys were more Keystone Kops than Sherlock Holmes.

    This all happened more than a century ago and everyone involved would be dead by now of old age anyway, but for some reason it is important to some people that Frank be considered guilty (even though the consensus of historians today is that he was innocent). Even if he was guilty, lynching him was wrong so concerning yourself with his guilt or innocence is missing the point.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden, @David In TN

    Many strange currents about the Mary Phagan murder. In 1913 Georgia, would a black male janitor murder a pretty white girl at his work station and stay there expecting to talk the police into charging his white boss for the crime?

    The police believed if Conley had killed Mary Phagan he would have run off. Southern white men in 1913 would NEVER allow a black male to get away with murdering a white girl if they believed him guilty. Today, they just might out of Tom Wolfe’s Great White Defendant concept.

    Leo Frank’s attorney in his closing called Conley a “filthy, lying Negro,” and said something like: “The crime was a Negro thing to do.”

    Frank’s attorney didn’t use the word “Negro,” rather another word also starting with “N.”

    The 12 Southern white men on the jury believed Conley. Would they have if Frank was not Jewish? The best defense lawyers in the South couldn’t shake his story on cross-examination.

    Yes, lynching Leo Frank was WRONG. He would likely have been released after a number of years. There was a case for reasonable doubt, especially with Alonzo Mann’s story.

  116. @Art Deco
    @Arclight

    When Stanley Rothman and Robert Lichter were doing research which compared a sample of business executives (IIRC, the sampling frame selected for senior management) to a sample drawn from the national press corps, they discovered the reporters had tonier backgrounds than business management.

    A dear friend of mine who was 25 years ago a peripheral faculty member told me she quit socializing with other faculty in 1996 because the modal topic of conversation among them was how inadequate were their salaries. The regular crew were all full-time and all but one was tenured.

    Replies: @Arclight

    I definitely think one of the animating forces in the media and academia is a sense of grievance about how they are paid relative to how they feel people of their stature/education ought to be paid. I saw an item recently about what staff at the NYT are paid at different levels and although a staff reporter making $100K isn’t peanuts, it’s not going that far in NYC.

    My neighbor is a tenured professor (in a soft humanities field) and in casual conversations it’s clear that he feels he should be making quite a bit more than he does. He is a very smart guy – more intelligent than myself, I can admit – and feels that the delta between my income in the business world and his in academia is unjust. He just sort of waves off my comments that he has guaranteed benefits and job security unknown to 95% of the population and those are worth a ton on top of his salary.

  117. @Reg Cæsar
    @anon


    All this Utopian bloviation facilitated by the Covid time out is facing its first tests in a reopening society. People don’t want to pay a few cents more for gasoline
     
    We went from Two-Dollar Donald to Three-Buck Biden in a very short time.

    They are never going to agree to pay trillions to eliminate their carbon footprint.

     

    Especially when Canadians' is worse. Wait till Trudeau the Younger gets his 100,000,000!

    That link brings up a fascinating question: if war breaks out between Canada and the Philippines, whose side will we take? What do our defense treaties prescribe in such an event?

    Replies: @anon

    That link brings up a fascinating question: if war breaks out between Canada and the Philippines, whose side will we take?

    The train will be fine.

  118. It isn’t a matter of in fashion or not anymore. We don’t have a mass society like we used to. Woke isn’t popular among the large majority of people of all ages I associate with. Let’s face it: America isn’t a “nation” today. But it does have nationalities. The only people who do not have a nationality are white elites, and everybody hates them.

    So I guess fashion is a matter of the preferences of white elites. But this isn’t really fashion. It’s whatever they think will help them stay on top. They like woke now, but it won’t be helpful when Europeans decisively reject it. That might change their minds. It might also become a problem when they find themselves squeezed between an increasingly self-conscious core American nationality and the various minorities who covet their positions.

    This is why they are acting so scared. They should be scared. The mass society Mickey Mouse Club America is going out to pasture, and there goes what’s left of their core support. A few million Central American immigrants aren’t going to save them. They’re just trying to buy time with woke, but they’re finished.

  119. @Danindc
    Another guy I liked and respected that made sure everyone knew he was Anti Trump. Make him apologize and grovel.

    Replies: @anon

    Another guy I liked and respected…

    Did you also like and respect the sharp crease in Obama’s trousers?

    Asking for a friend…

  120. @Menschmaschine
    @syonredux


    New Atheism was un-Woke. It was too White male and it hurt the feelings of a sacred group (Muslims). It had to go.
     
    Nonsense, New Atheism was Proto-Wokeness. The reason that New Atheism faded in parallel with the rise of Wokeness is simply that Leftists "graduated" from New Atheism to Wokeness.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Nonsense, New Atheism was Proto-Wokeness. The reason that New Atheism faded in parallel with the rise of Wokeness is simply that Leftists “graduated” from New Atheism to Wokeness.

    Not based on what I’ve seen. The Woke-folk that I encounter routinely attack New Atheism for being anti-Woke.

  121. @anon
    @Dieter Kief

    No illusion.

    I wrote "delusion", there is a difference, and it is an extraordinary delusion.

    And no failure in sight either.

    True. There won't be, until some sort of preference cascade occurs, and then the failure will seem to be sudden.

    Rather a strategy. Kendi being just a piece of a word-bridge that runs from the elites to the downtrodden. As such, he functions perfectly well.

    He is merely a tree in the forest I am pointing to. A single facet of a larger fractal. An example of a larger set.

    In a different country he would be a minor government functionary at best. The excess of elites leads to this kind of turtle-on-a-post entity, for reasons I have already explicated.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Right.
    I liked your last line a lot, about the croc of Woke and the David Brooks’s.

    I might add: Seen from the – disillusioned – perspective here on iSteve especially it is quite a miracle, how this Ibram X. Kendi, etc. (Ta Nehisi-Coates) pseudo-acknowledgments are taken seriously in Europe.

    This is all thin ice, but over here, it holds. In serious German papers like Die ZEIT and FAZ not least (lots of well-meaning (young) women taking the side of the suppressed – Blacks – and fleeing from the horrors of – the populist (and or: fascist/racist/antisemitic…) white trash (David Goodhart’s Somewheres, the French’s Yellow Vests, the voters of Salvini in Italy and Marine le Pen in France…

  122. Regarding the speculation by Ed West about the neuro-diverse, I think he’s onto something but a little off the mark. The two people I know ‘on the spectrum’ have both adopted Wokianity as their religion. And the problem is that – and I don’t know if these two Aspy people are representative – Aspys, like most others, emotionalize political and policy arguments. As in ‘feelz’ – for the downtrodden, the grandma that will die of COVID, and anyone that’s a ‘victim’.

    I believe the neuro-diverse that will push back are the small percentage of people that are predisposed to libertarianism (though that doesn’t mean they actually are libertarian). Such people are high systematizers / low empathizers, with the lack of empathy being key. Being introverted also helps. This pretty much describes me, and it’s no coincidence that I was the only person in my Whitopia that had a pro-police sign on my window. I just don’t give a [email protected] Unfortunately, I have no power in this world, but I imagine someone with my personality type, some extra IQ points, charisma and a lot of extra money would be ideal.

    OTOH, it could just be phthalate poisoning demasculinizing men to the point where we’ve lost our natural disagreeableness and aggression. Soyboys are like women; they’ll go along with anything.

  123. @Jack D
    @Franz

    This is just Marx's maxim (Karl, not Groucho) that history repeats itself, the second time as farce. The first space race was very real and deadly serious - our captured Nazis vs. their captured Nazis. Who can build rockets that can rain nukes on the enemy capital first? ( The space stuff was just a spin-off from the ICBMs.)

    Whose movie star will make it to space first? Who cares. It means nothing. The Russian gal isn't even a real movie star. I don't know her and I never heard of that movie. 99% of all Americans couldn't find Sevastopol on a map and don't know about any battle that took place there. You're lucky nowadays if they even know what D-Day was.

    I know Putin would really like to get that whole Cold War thing going again, where the USSR and the USA played in the same league but the sad truth is that Russia is down in the minors now and the next World Series will be played between the US and China.

    Replies: @Franz

    Actually, Yulia Peresild is a fairly big star in Europe. Makes the cover of their glam magazines and all that. Also stars in big Russian films, some get streaming releases in the US. I thought she was excellent in the Sevastopol movie, but then I’ve read histories of that part of WWII.

    On the whole your point is right: The highly regarded French author Romain Gary, in his novel The Roots of Heaven, said he’d like all the bric-a-brac associated with nationalism to devolve to football and entertainment; compete in those things and forget about bombs and conquest.

    Seems Gary had the right idea. Rising GNP, better living, space exploration, all that, can be symbolic substitutes for war if we use out heads.

    It won’t happen mostly, but in little ways it can be funny. I’d really like seeing Tom Cruise come in second to a Ruskie chick, if only to annoy Cruise. She isn’t really Russian even, her last name is Estonian.

  124. @puttheforkdown
    @PhysicistDave

    Cope. Pumping tons of CO2 in the atmosphere to make our lives easier and more hedonistic is going to trash the planet, predictably so. I'm further to the right than most here and I can see it, so you're just a dumb-dumb.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    puttheforkdown wrote to me:

    Pumping tons of CO2 in the atmosphere to make our lives easier and more hedonistic is going to trash the planet, predictably so. I’m further to the right than most here and I can see it, so you’re just a dumb-dumb.

    Well… I have a Ph.D. in physics from Stanford and I have been following climate research for over a half century.

    But you think you know more than I do about the technical issues?

    Okaaaayyy. I am glad to see that you have (very) high self esteem.

    You might have noted that I actually did not say anything about global warming: I merely addressed the behavior of some of the cultists (i.e., people like you).

    Yes, the globe has warmed in the last couple centuries: this was common knowledge back in the mid-twentieth century (I first learned about it from my great grandmother way back in the 1960s.).

    And, yes, anthropogenic CO2 is part of that story, though definitely not the whole story (check out the “Little Ice Age”).

    But the claims that anthropogenic CO2 will “trash the planet” are utter and complete nonsense. The Pleistocene/Holocene is an usually chilly time in earth history. At most, we will return global temperatures to their geologically normal state.

    Do you think that before you call someone else a “dumb-dumb” you might try learning at least a bit of the relevant science?

    Nah. Of course not.

    (To anyone sincerely interested in the science, check out the new book Unsettled by eminent physicist Steve Koonin, who is a former professor at my own alma mater, Caltech, and was Obama’s Undersecretary of Energy for Science.)

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief, dfordoom
  125. @NickG
    @Franz


    “From 1840 through 1960, every United States president elected in a year ending in zero died while in office…”
     
    But Biden wasn't 'elected' into office!

    Replies: @Franz

    But Biden wasn’t ‘elected’ into office!

    There is that. And long-ago rumors say JFK had a lot of corpses in Chicago voting for him.

    Let’s just say anyone who attains the presidency in a Zero Year, traditionally, is at risk.

    Biden more so because he looks barely functional half the time.

  126. @Alt Right Moderate
    Things that harm wokeness:

    Woke lefty governments assuming they have a mandate to do socialist stuff in the economic sphere - rich whites don't mind theatrical, cultural lefty stuff that doesn't hit them in the back pocket, but sometimes this lefty stuff can spill over into things like higher capital gains taxes, especially when they get lucky in a pandemic year and wrongly assume their victory is a mandate for radical economic change.

    Global pandemics - Trumps's politically naïve stuff up aside, infection diseases aren't good for the global village, and pandemics, like wars, have a habit of coming in twos and threes.

    Competition - China threatening to become the world's biggest superpower. Wokeness, like green politics, is a luxury that the wealthy and their hangers on can indulge in when they are a wash with cash and have no serious rivals to contend with.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Things that harm wokeness:

    Woke lefty governments assuming they have a mandate to do socialist stuff in the economic sphere – rich whites don’t mind theatrical, cultural lefty stuff that doesn’t hit them in the back pocket, but sometimes this lefty stuff can spill over into things like higher capital gains taxes, especially when they get lucky in a pandemic year and wrongly assume their victory is a mandate for radical economic change.

    If Woke lefty governments actually got serious about doing socialist stuff in the economic sphere that would make Wokeism a lot more popular.

    My impression is that Woke lefty governments mostly use Wokeism as a way of avoiding doing doing socialist stuff in the economic sphere.

  127. @TTSSYF
    @dfordoom


    I don’t like immigration either but I don’t agree that it was the cause of this madness. This craziness could not have happened without white liberals. It was white liberals who drove all the craziness of the past sixty years. And it was the corporate sector that funded the craziness.
     
    That's all very true, but mass immigration of congenital leftists from around the globe has only made it worse.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    That’s all very true, but mass immigration of congenital leftists from around the globe has only made it worse.

    Are those immigrants actually congenital leftists? My impression is that it’s America that turns them into leftists (or rather Wokeists). And it’s the same in other western countries.

    The source of the madness lies within western civilisation itself. When immigrants come to our countries they get infected by craziness like Wokeism. We’re the ones doing the infecting.

    And America is busily and aggressively exporting Wokeism to other countries.

    The illness has to be treated at its source. The source is the United States.

  128. @anonymouseperson
    It was demographic change via immigration, neither wanted or voted for by the public in the west, that enabled all this garbage.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @AndrewR, @Travis, @Eric Novak

    Your post belongs in the top spot.

  129. @Achmed E. Newman
    To me, Anonymous #234 said it best so far. I'll just add to that. These agendas, feminism, genderbendering, etc. are NOT FADS. They are various aspects of the implementation of Socialism/Communism or let's just call it purposeful ruination of a country. You must destroy the nuclear family and its sovereignty in order to ruin a society.

    The only reason one or another of these many ctrl-lefty or woke agendas stops for a while is because they've won a big battle. The people behind it regroup for the next one, while some other agenda is being pushed on us. Have you seen any little bit of this actually get stopped, much less turned around?

    No, this is about pure power, as #234 wrote. Americans are rightfully proud for having won the 4-decade-long EXTERNAL Cold War, but they've not paid attention to the INTERNAL one and are damn near beat right now. They've got us surrounded - charge!

    Scott Alexander is missing the big picture, and well, the David Brooks guy isn't even on our side.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    or let’s just call it purposeful ruination of a country.

    Why would people who are obsessed with power want to actually ruin the society that they hope to control (or the society over which they hope to maintain control)?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @dfordoom

    Because they want to CONTROL society. They can't do that when there are independent-thinking White middle class men that have some disposable income and time to form political organizations and small business in competition with Big Biz. They need the middle class gone. They need the traditional culture gone. They need the strength of the nuclear family gone. Otherwise, how can they control society?

    Have you never read anything about Soviet Communism, Red China, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, nothing??

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Anonymous
    @dfordoom

    1) Because they can't control healthy society, and
    2) Because they are delusional and think that once they are in control, they will be able to rebuilt it in a way that keeps them in control, yet is functional.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  130. @dfordoom
    @anonymouseperson


    It was demographic change via immigration, neither wanted or voted for by the public in the west, that enabled all this garbage.
     
    I don't like immigration either but I don't agree that it was the cause of this madness. This craziness could not have happened without white liberals. It was white liberals who drove all the craziness of the past sixty years. And it was the corporate sector that funded the craziness.

    If you want to find someone to blame I suggest you look at virtue-signalling whites. Especially middle-class whites.

    It's also a consequence of the destruction of the Old Left, and the increasing corruption and cynicism of the mainstream Right.

    Replies: @TTSSYF, @Anonymous Jew, @Eric Novak

    Woke white progressivism gets all of its power from the electoral power of foreign minorities, in whom all political power lies for the left. For thirty years, since the end of the Cold War, in fact even before the USSR was officially dissolved, all American politics has been about keeping the borders open at all costs. Every political calculation in party offices and in Congress always demands the answer to a singular question: How will this affect immigration?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Eric Novak

    Woke white progressivism gets all of its power from the electoral power of foreign minorities

    No, it gets it's power from control of gatekeeper institutions, the appellate judiciary especially. Republican state legislators could take a great many levers away from them, but they sit on their duffs.

  131. @prime noticer
    this strikes me as a particularly unintelligent question. as if it were 1921 and asking if communism was about to run it's course and go out of fashion. this communism thing is about to go out of style. like bell bottoms. been there, done that. what's next? i can't imagine anybody being into communism past 1924 or 25 at the latest.

    like communism, wokeism, which is straight up a form of communism by the way, can only be stopped by force. it will only 'go out of fashion' after it has reduced the country to a smoldering ruin, and America is forced to give up wokeism after a defeat at the hands of China. wokeism can and will go on for decades before that resounding economic and military loss looming in the future, which is a near certainty at this point.

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @dfordoom

    Demographic and, therefore political, marginalization of whites is not decades away. It was decades away when the middle aged and older readers of Steve Sailer began reading his online column at Vdare 21 years ago.

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Eric Novak

    Exactly. Today whites are a minority and this is the an important reason for the great awakening. The situation will get worse as our demographics continue to get worse.

  132. @dfordoom
    @Achmed E. Newman


    or let’s just call it purposeful ruination of a country.
     
    Why would people who are obsessed with power want to actually ruin the society that they hope to control (or the society over which they hope to maintain control)?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous

    Because they want to CONTROL society. They can’t do that when there are independent-thinking White middle class men that have some disposable income and time to form political organizations and small business in competition with Big Biz. They need the middle class gone. They need the traditional culture gone. They need the strength of the nuclear family gone. Otherwise, how can they control society?

    Have you never read anything about Soviet Communism, Red China, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, nothing??

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Because they want to CONTROL society. They can’t do that when there are independent-thinking White middle class men that have some disposable income and time to form political organizations and small business in competition with Big Biz. They need the middle class gone. They need the traditional culture gone. They need the strength of the nuclear family gone. Otherwise, how can they control society?
     
    I understand all that. But wanting to control society is not the same was wanting to destroy it. If you're motivate by the desire to control society then the last thing you want is to destroy it.

    You might want to destroy certain groups and certain institutions that stand in your way, but that's not the same as wanting to destroy society.

    Wanting to change society in order to further your own interests is also not the same as wanting to destroy society.

    I certainly agree that these people want to destroy the traditional culture and weaken the nuclear family but I have a suspicion that they believe that achieving those objectives will strengthen society. It will make society easier to mould into the kind of society that they want. It will make society more coherent and more stable.

    Unfortunately that more coherent and more stable society (with a single culture and a single ideology and with everyone holding the same opinions on every subject) will be a society that you and I are not going to like one little bit. It will be a society that you and I are (quite rightly) going to regard as a totalitarian nightmare. But I think that the people pushing this agenda honestly believe that they can achieve their aims without destroying our society.

    And this totalitarian nightmare society is not going to be a communist society. It's going to be a society entirely dominated by an alliance between Big Government and Big Business. In other words, it's going to be a fascist society.
  133. @slumber_j
    @syonredux

    Yeah, this stuff has been percolating for a long, long time now, and the institutions are thoroughly in its sway: that's why fashion doesn't operate in the Woke realm.

    I've been thinking about this stuff since I was an undergraduate in the mid-Eighties, when I was already bridling against what I privately thought of as the New Orthodoxy. Toward the end of that period it started to be called Political Correctness, and now it's Wokeness, but it's all the same ultimately, and while its inexorable advance has proceeded stepwise and spasmodically, it's always hugged the same trend line.

    This from Ed West baffles me by the way:


    Resisting prevailing cultural norms and beliefs is hard, even in 21st century western societies, which are arguably the most non-conformist in history.
     

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @dfordoom

    This from Ed West baffles me by the way:

    Resisting prevailing cultural norms and beliefs is hard, even in 21st century western societies, which are arguably the most non-conformist in history.

    Compared to just about any society prior to the 19th century our modern society is quite non-conformist. Social nonconformity didn’t start to become tolerated until well into the 19th century.

    But compared to the period from the late 1950s to the early 1990s today’s society is very conformist.

  134. @Eric Novak
    @prime noticer

    Demographic and, therefore political, marginalization of whites is not decades away. It was decades away when the middle aged and older readers of Steve Sailer began reading his online column at Vdare 21 years ago.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Exactly. Today whites are a minority and this is the an important reason for the great awakening. The situation will get worse as our demographics continue to get worse.

  135. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Arclight


    Part and parcel of this is that the people who are on the left and are in politics, media, academia, or whatever are overwhelmingly coming from the upper middle class or better have have zero knowledge about the lives of the people beneath them. They aren’t people they have lived or worked or socialized with, so their assumptions about the benefits middle or lower class whites have because of their race are entirely personal fantasy, as are they assumptions about the lives and behaviors of blacks of the same classes.

    Our rulers do not understand the people they lord over, and don’t care to, either.

     

    There's probably a much larger cohort of white aspirants to elite status who anxiously demonstrate their fitness to belong to the ingroup/ruling class (and their own distinctness from their own non-elite origins) by training their fire at downscale whites.

    The problem would be bad if the ideology was sequestered among the elites - the remainder of the population poorly served by these people could rather easily sweep them aside and replace them with new elites. The problem is as bad as it is because of a large number of elite aspirants (many of the thoroughly mediocre sorts who have spent time at middling Universities in the past generation or two) who are numerous enough to join in a coalition which creates politically viable environments for the people associated with wokeism.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The problem would be bad if the ideology was sequestered among the elites – the remainder of the population poorly served by these people could rather easily sweep them aside and replace them with new elites. The problem is as bad as it is because of a large number of elite aspirants (many of the thoroughly mediocre sorts who have spent time at middling Universities in the past generation or two) who are numerous enough to join in a coalition which creates politically viable environments for the people associated with wokeism.

    Yep. The true elites might be very few in numbers but the elite aspirants (or wannabe elites) and the dependents of the elites are indeed very numerous. They include virtually all schoolteachers, large parts of the healing and caring professions (nurses, social workers, youth workers, assorted therapists), lots of low and mid-ranking bureaucrats, virtually all journalists (not just the highly paid ones at the New York Times or on TV/cable news but even the lowest-ranking members of that profession0, lots of middle-management and even junior management types.

    It adds up to a very substantial slice of the population which is fiercely loyal to the elites and to elite ideologies.

  136. @prime noticer
    this strikes me as a particularly unintelligent question. as if it were 1921 and asking if communism was about to run it's course and go out of fashion. this communism thing is about to go out of style. like bell bottoms. been there, done that. what's next? i can't imagine anybody being into communism past 1924 or 25 at the latest.

    like communism, wokeism, which is straight up a form of communism by the way, can only be stopped by force. it will only 'go out of fashion' after it has reduced the country to a smoldering ruin, and America is forced to give up wokeism after a defeat at the hands of China. wokeism can and will go on for decades before that resounding economic and military loss looming in the future, which is a near certainty at this point.

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @dfordoom

    like communism, wokeism, which is straight up a form of communism by the way

    This is the point at which I stopped taking you seriously.

    The scary thing is that you probably genuinely believe this.

  137. @Anonymous Jew
    @dfordoom

    I agree, but White wokeness and pathological altruism across the West made mass third-world migration both possible and sustainable. (Granted some migration started much earlier, but there was never an intention to integrate). And this migration will likely be with the West forever. In the short term, you have the usual problem of human tribalism/Balkanization. But even if this tribalism is overcome by assimilation and miscegenation (see Latin/Hispanic America) the result is that the fundamental character of the peoples of the West is altered forever, as is our ability to maintain the benefits of our culture that require a certain average level of IQ. A small amount of migration and miscegenation isn’t always bad. For example, a minor percentage inflow of Japanese genes into, say, White Brits wouldn’t be the end of the world (and maybe even positive) but that’s not what’s happening. Brazil is what’s happening.

    Even without Lefty Jews and dark hordes, wokeness may be the inevitable outcome of the West’s civilizational arc (recall the intellectual underpinnings of Postmodernism came from Whites. Also, all civilizations decline). That said, if we could magically keep the West 90% White, then Wokianity would gently pass. Annoying, sure, and the West would still decline. But the future would be salvageable. Something like a homogeneous Southern Europe that no longer dominates the world but can live in peace and prosperity.

    I’m a bit of a misanthrope, so I’m getting to the point where I blame and hate everyone. The Whites and Conservatives that bent over; the Jews that smoked their own stash and cultivated anti-White sentiment (not a bright idea if you look White [email protected]!); the endless migrants that want to make a foreign land their own without the cost of war; the true believers with their “We Believe” and “BLM” signs completely oblivious to the irony that they’ve become the types of witch burning religious zealots that they always despised.

    If aliens come to conquer the earth, I’m rooting for the aliens. Off to the underground sugar caves for you retards. We deserve it.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I agree, but White wokeness and pathological altruism across the West made mass third-world migration both possible and sustainable.

    No, it was to a large extent the greed of both big business and small business (and farmers who like paying starvation wages to those who do menial work like fruit-picking) that made third-world immigration both inevitable and sustainable. There’s nothing altruistic about the desire of big business (and small business) for cheap labour and expanding markets.

    Even without Lefty Jews and dark hordes, wokeness may be the inevitable outcome of the West’s civilizational arc (recall the intellectual underpinnings of Postmodernism came from Whites. Also, all civilizations decline).

    Wokeness may be the inevitable outcome for a society saturated in mass media. And now social media. Would things like the Great Awokening and #metoo have been possible without social media?

    That said, if we could magically keep the West 90% White, then Wokianity would gently pass.

    Unlikely. Wokeness, feminism, the LGBTwhatever stuff, #metoo, etc all depend on white virtue-signalling. As long as there are white people they will virtue-signal.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  138. @anon
    @Arclight

    Brooks is a disgrace – the costs associated with what he absurdly calls the ‘good’ parts of wokeness will fall squarely on people who are not part of the elite meritocracy arms race, just ordinary people going about their lives in a country in which the people who control the levers of power are at best indifferent to them, at worst actively hostile.

    That is a feature, not a bug. Because what you describe is merely a reduction in the number of potential competitors for elite status in the bubbleworld Brooks has always lived within.

    There is an overproduction of elites. Not all elite wannabes can actually compete on merit, so they need some different standard of competition that they can actually do OK within. Wokemon points is that different standard.

    Pushing middle class and working class whites out of the "potential elite" category is a feature, not a bug. Not an error, a design requirement. Brooks et al do not want to have some bright young person from flyover manage to get a foothold in their world. Just the opposite, in fact.

    Replies: @Arclight

    This is a good point – and fits with my general position that our elites, for all their posturing, do no actually care at all about those they claim to.

  139. @Achmed E. Newman
    @dfordoom

    Because they want to CONTROL society. They can't do that when there are independent-thinking White middle class men that have some disposable income and time to form political organizations and small business in competition with Big Biz. They need the middle class gone. They need the traditional culture gone. They need the strength of the nuclear family gone. Otherwise, how can they control society?

    Have you never read anything about Soviet Communism, Red China, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, nothing??

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Because they want to CONTROL society. They can’t do that when there are independent-thinking White middle class men that have some disposable income and time to form political organizations and small business in competition with Big Biz. They need the middle class gone. They need the traditional culture gone. They need the strength of the nuclear family gone. Otherwise, how can they control society?

    I understand all that. But wanting to control society is not the same was wanting to destroy it. If you’re motivate by the desire to control society then the last thing you want is to destroy it.

    You might want to destroy certain groups and certain institutions that stand in your way, but that’s not the same as wanting to destroy society.

    Wanting to change society in order to further your own interests is also not the same as wanting to destroy society.

    I certainly agree that these people want to destroy the traditional culture and weaken the nuclear family but I have a suspicion that they believe that achieving those objectives will strengthen society. It will make society easier to mould into the kind of society that they want. It will make society more coherent and more stable.

    Unfortunately that more coherent and more stable society (with a single culture and a single ideology and with everyone holding the same opinions on every subject) will be a society that you and I are not going to like one little bit. It will be a society that you and I are (quite rightly) going to regard as a totalitarian nightmare. But I think that the people pushing this agenda honestly believe that they can achieve their aims without destroying our society.

    And this totalitarian nightmare society is not going to be a communist society. It’s going to be a society entirely dominated by an alliance between Big Government and Big Business. In other words, it’s going to be a fascist society.

    • Agree: Dissident
  140. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom
    @Achmed E. Newman


    or let’s just call it purposeful ruination of a country.
     
    Why would people who are obsessed with power want to actually ruin the society that they hope to control (or the society over which they hope to maintain control)?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous

    1) Because they can’t control healthy society, and
    2) Because they are delusional and think that once they are in control, they will be able to rebuilt it in a way that keeps them in control, yet is functional.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Anonymous


    2) Because they are delusional and think that once they are in control, they will be able to rebuilt it in a way that keeps them in control, yet is functional.
     
    I would not use the word "rebuilt" because it implies destroying something first. The elites don't want to do that and they're not doing that. They're slowly transforming society into something more to their liking, something easier to control, but the scary thing is that once society has been transformed it may well be quite functional. Certainly functional from the point of view of the elites.

    It may even be, objectively, completely functional. It might be very very unpleasant if you're a political or social dissenter but it might still continue to work very effectively.

    An even scarier thought is that from the point of view of the majority of the population, once they've been trained in the right ways of thinking, it might be a perfectly functional society.

    A major flaw in dissident right (and social conservative) thinking is the assumption that the new society into which the elites are transforming our existing society will be unworkable and will collapse. That may be nothing more than wishful thinking.

    I'd also suggest that making society easier to control is not their only objective. They also want a society that makes them (the elites) feel happier - a society in which the values, beliefs, tastes and prejudices of the elites are recognised as being universally valid and good. I suspect that's a large part of the motivation of some of the tech oligarchs. Most of us (if we're honest enough to admit it) would prefer to live in a society in which everyone agrees with us and everyone shares our tastes.
  141. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Arclight

    Brooks is not a disgrace. He's looking after his own people, as we all should do.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    As always, it depends upon how one defines their “own people”. I would say we whites do defend our “own kind” more often than you believe, just not in the specific ways you prefer.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Corvinus


    As always, it depends upon how one defines their “own people”. I would say we whites do defend our “own kind” more often than you believe, just not in the specific ways you prefer.
     
    I'd say that we whites defend "our own kind” but we usually don't define "our own kind” in racial terms. For whites "our own kind” is more likely to refer to people of our own class. Sometimes (bizarrely) whites define "our own kind” in terms of their sexual choices or totally imaginary genders. Sometimes it's defined in terms of people who share our ideological beliefs.

    I don't see whites as self-hating. They often hate other whites, but they don't define those other whites as being "our own kind”.
  142. @Anonymous
    It won't fade away, it will only get far far worse and more entrenched.
    Here's why:

    Blacks are natural born conmen and hustlers, they have an innate talent and ability to exploit the vain, foolish and gullible, and by jingo, once a black figures out he's got a chump to exploit, he piles in big time and basically never stop until the chump is sucked dry and nothing but a husk remains. As an added point, blacks are pretty much shameless and upfront about tgeiur victimization.

    The counterpoint is whites, and in particular white women, are, in general, the biggest fattest dumbest species of naive, gullible, limp wristed chump ever to walk the planet. Strangely, this characteristic seems to have come to the fore circa 1900, and to have really dominated by year 2000. Soi, it's basically the story of the 20th century. 'Female suffrage' seems to be have been the herald of chumpdom.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Blacks are natural born conmen and hustlers,

    You’ve seen too many blaxploitation flicks.

  143. @Eric Novak
    @dfordoom

    Woke white progressivism gets all of its power from the electoral power of foreign minorities, in whom all political power lies for the left. For thirty years, since the end of the Cold War, in fact even before the USSR was officially dissolved, all American politics has been about keeping the borders open at all costs. Every political calculation in party offices and in Congress always demands the answer to a singular question: How will this affect immigration?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Woke white progressivism gets all of its power from the electoral power of foreign minorities

    No, it gets it’s power from control of gatekeeper institutions, the appellate judiciary especially. Republican state legislators could take a great many levers away from them, but they sit on their duffs.

  144. @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    As always, it depends upon how one defines their "own people". I would say we whites do defend our "own kind" more often than you believe, just not in the specific ways you prefer.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    As always, it depends upon how one defines their “own people”. I would say we whites do defend our “own kind” more often than you believe, just not in the specific ways you prefer.

    I’d say that we whites defend “our own kind” but we usually don’t define “our own kind” in racial terms. For whites “our own kind” is more likely to refer to people of our own class. Sometimes (bizarrely) whites define “our own kind” in terms of their sexual choices or totally imaginary genders. Sometimes it’s defined in terms of people who share our ideological beliefs.

    I don’t see whites as self-hating. They often hate other whites, but they don’t define those other whites as being “our own kind”.

  145. @Anonymous
    @dfordoom

    1) Because they can't control healthy society, and
    2) Because they are delusional and think that once they are in control, they will be able to rebuilt it in a way that keeps them in control, yet is functional.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    2) Because they are delusional and think that once they are in control, they will be able to rebuilt it in a way that keeps them in control, yet is functional.

    I would not use the word “rebuilt” because it implies destroying something first. The elites don’t want to do that and they’re not doing that. They’re slowly transforming society into something more to their liking, something easier to control, but the scary thing is that once society has been transformed it may well be quite functional. Certainly functional from the point of view of the elites.

    It may even be, objectively, completely functional. It might be very very unpleasant if you’re a political or social dissenter but it might still continue to work very effectively.

    An even scarier thought is that from the point of view of the majority of the population, once they’ve been trained in the right ways of thinking, it might be a perfectly functional society.

    A major flaw in dissident right (and social conservative) thinking is the assumption that the new society into which the elites are transforming our existing society will be unworkable and will collapse. That may be nothing more than wishful thinking.

    I’d also suggest that making society easier to control is not their only objective. They also want a society that makes them (the elites) feel happier – a society in which the values, beliefs, tastes and prejudices of the elites are recognised as being universally valid and good. I suspect that’s a large part of the motivation of some of the tech oligarchs. Most of us (if we’re honest enough to admit it) would prefer to live in a society in which everyone agrees with us and everyone shares our tastes.

    • Agree: Sam Malone, Dissident

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