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From my new Taki’s Magazine column:

Unlike the unvaccinated, who are widely seen as worthy of hate and unlikely to ever be powerful enough to get revenge, the fat are increasingly to be feared.

It’s not that the fat rank terribly high on the pyramid of intersectionality…yet. But you can imagine that they might someday, and thus you can foresee yourself having your career canceled in, say, 2029 over some fat jokes you told in 2022.

You never know. I mean, did you foresee in 2013 that dudes in dresses would soon be sacred? Granted, the average fat person isn’t as tirelessly diligent in forcing the rest of us to acknowledge and submit to his or her preferred self-image as is a heterosexual man in a frock with one tasteful strand of pearls. But there are a lot more fat folks than there are ex-men.

So, better not to say anything for your permanent record.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Sigh. We get your point, Steve.

    Still, this is absurd. Your article is absurd.

    • Disagree: jamie b., James N. Kennett
    • Replies: @San Fernando Curt
    @anonymous

    ... and tubbers fire their first round.

    , @tyrone
    @anonymous

    The only good thing about having to eat your words is the low calorie content.

    , @Justvisiting
    @anonymous

    Big Pharma loves fat people--great customers--so don't get surprised if they spend a few billion funding non-profits and PR campaigns to try to cram ugly fat people down our throats.

  2. Excess weight tends to be downmarket. OTOH, it’s more common among Democratic Party mascots. So, the thing is to manufacture tropes and slogans which justify injuring people who laugh at Stacey Abrams (D-Diabetes) while allowing the bien pensants to trash Honey Boo Boo’s family.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    Excess weight tends to be downmarket. OTOH, it’s more common among Democratic Party mascots. So, the thing is to manufacture tropes and slogans which justify injuring people who laugh at Stacey Abrams (D-Diabetes) while allowing the bien pensants to trash Honey Boo Boo’s family.
     
    My take as well.

    Seems like we're seeing program where noticing or ridiculing obesity of any black woman is "racist". And perhaps any thought about the weight of any woman is "sexist".

    But a general "fat acceptance" push can't really take off because so many of the obese whites are deplorables. And for "good whites" their obesity is part of the package of their downscale declasseness.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @International Jew
    @Art Deco

    Dunno. Under-50 social justice ladies in my northern California town are plenty fat. The last generation of fit lefties is hitting 70.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  3. The first step- change your eating habits & to hell with junk food.

    Then, and only then, can we talk about other steps ….

    • Replies: @anon
    @Bardon Kaldian


    The first step- change your eating habits & to hell with junk food.

    Then, and only then, can we talk about other steps ….
     
    There is such a surplus of cheap food, that proper eating has to be something worked at and trained, like exercise.

    Eating less, skipping snacks/meals is stressful and painful, just like exercise, weightlifting, running, are stressful and painful. You have to endure the stress, pain, and hunger pangs, like you would when you do physical exercise. Over time, you get better at eating less and less pain and hunger, just like you get in better shape and not so winded from running after training for a while.
  4. World War F has a lot of troops training hard (at least) 3 times a day.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Jim Don Bob

    "World War F has a lot of troops training hard"

    They do say that an army marches on its stomach . . .

  5. Granted, the average fat person isn’t as tirelessly diligent in forcing the rest of us to acknowledge and submit to his or her preferred self-image

    Hasn’t this already begun with black women, e.g., Lizzo, who will proudly pose for publicity shots in her bikini as if she were Kendall Jenner?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Harry Baldwin

    'Hasn’t this already begun with black women, e.g., Lizzo, who will proudly pose for publicity shots in her bikini as if she were Kendall Jenner?'

    Yeah -- but that may have more to do with the special immunity conferred on black women. Of course they can be the most obvious blubber monsters. That goes without saying -- in fact, you definitely better not say anything.

    Replies: @Shel100

    , @Calvin Hobbes
    @Harry Baldwin


    Hasn’t this already begun with black women, e.g., Lizzo, who will proudly pose for publicity shots in her bikini as if she were Kendall Jenner?
     
    I had never heard of Lizzo. Google found this for me, with LOTS of Lizzo bikini pictures:

    A Comprehensive Guide to Lizzo’s Hottest Swim Moments of All Time

    https://www.usmagazine.com/stylish/pictures/lizzos-bikini-body-sexy-swimsuit-style-pics/

    She’s grossly obese, but she has a sense of humor. Here’s the caption for one of her bikini pictures:

    “Big bitch bikini — my strings got lost — ya man got haveta dig em out like floss🤪,” the singer captioned her Instagram pic, rocking a neon green cheetah-print bikini from Adam Selman Sport.

    And in the picture you can’t see any evidence of the bikini bottom. More than the strings got lost!

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

  6. America is the only country in the world where the poor people and the raccoons are fat.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  7. @Harry Baldwin
    Granted, the average fat person isn’t as tirelessly diligent in forcing the rest of us to acknowledge and submit to his or her preferred self-image

    Hasn't this already begun with black women, e.g., Lizzo, who will proudly pose for publicity shots in her bikini as if she were Kendall Jenner?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Calvin Hobbes

    ‘Hasn’t this already begun with black women, e.g., Lizzo, who will proudly pose for publicity shots in her bikini as if she were Kendall Jenner?’

    Yeah — but that may have more to do with the special immunity conferred on black women. Of course they can be the most obvious blubber monsters. That goes without saying — in fact, you definitely better not say anything.

    • LOL: Cato
    • Replies: @Shel100
    @Colin Wright

    As Stacey Abrams said she's just big boned.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  8. The average black woman is 5’4″ and 186 lbs. Yikes! That used to be considered a hefty weight for an athletic 6’0 man. I knew Americans were fat but those statistics are almost unbelievable. And whites are hardly any better.

    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80’s and haven’t stopped is a legitimate mystery. It’s not like people didn’t enjoy eating before that. So something more than generalized gluttony seems to be going on. I’ve heard different theories about the effects of changes in gut biomes, the ubiquity of high fructose corn syrup, vegetable cooking oils, food allergy issues, etc. But nobody really seems to have a clue.

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.

    • Agree: Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Hypnotoad666

    The mid/late 80's is when we saw the start of the complete vilification of tobacco and by association nicotine. Nicotine is an appetite suppressant, so it seems plausible that as people stopped smoking in large numbers they started eating more.

    Home video game consoles also took off in the mid/late 80's, so kids' outside playtime was likely drastically reduced as they sat inside playing Nintendo, Sega, etc.

    I'm sure there are other factors as well.

    Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Lockean Proviso, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Up2Drew

    , @anon12
    @Hypnotoad666

    One more confound: the wife does animal research. Lab animals have also gotten fatter since the 1970s.

    Other possible explanation: Average human body temperature has fallen over time. The scientists hypothesized that there are fewer infections because of antibiotics and improved cleanliness due to water and food systems getting better. Fewer infections, especially low grade infections from drinking and eating impure water and food, may be a factor.

    , @Antiwar7
    @Hypnotoad666

    I'd guess the availability and draw of snacking, followed by sedentary jobs, cheap food, and societal stress, are all plausible factors in the rise of US obesity.

    , @PaceLaw
    @Hypnotoad666

    Hey, Chris Rock called this decades ago. Apparently, for some unknown reason, obese black women seem to have the most confidence and high self-esteem, pretty much just as Steve described the smug 250-pound plus black models in recent television commercials. I’m sure this video will be taken down on YouTube due to complaints of fat shaming. Sigh….
    https://youtu.be/1F43JU0N5DM

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Hypnotoad666

    Air conditioning. You don't use as many calories when it's cold. You don't have your appetite suppressed by heat when it's hot.

    Replies: @anon, @Feryl

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Hypnotoad666


    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80’s and haven’t stopped is a legitimate mystery.
     
    Agree, but an answer may be emerging.

    http://achemicalhunger.com/

    It is unusually well written, but not short. [Spoilers below the MORE tag.]

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.
     
    Haha, yeah, one of the lessons of the last few years is that those useless f**ks in government will never do anything good. Fortunately, the Chemical Hunger authors did their job for them. For free.

    ↓ SPOILERS ↓



    They observe that

    • the obesity epidemic was a historically abrupt shift (they date it to the 1970s, but YMMV)
    • it's happening everywhere on earth, just not at the same speed
    • the obesity epidemic is nowhere abating, it's everywhere getting worse
    • to the extent that diet was different pre-obesity epidemic, it was worse
    • it's happening in lab animals with controlled diets, and in wild animals
    • it seems to be happening slower at higher elevations
    • dieting has very little effect

    From this they conclude that

    [spoilers below the MORE tag]



    environmental contaminants are involved.

    But the environment is big—literally global, and contaminants are many, so which one(s) to blame?

    After a lot detective work (which is what makes reading their science work feel more like reading a real life detective story), they provisionally indict

    [spoilers below the MORE tag]



    • livestock antibiotics
    • PFAS
    • lithium (a more widespread chemical than you probably realize)

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666

    , @Thea
    @Hypnotoad666

    Daniel Lieberma wrote some books on this. Modern hunter gathers get as much as 5-6 hours of moderate to vigorous exercise daily. Finding food is challenging work. Early agricultural life was similarly physically active.

    Our physique seems designed to run and run long distances given our tendons, gluteus Maximus and other feature not use much for walking. We have more running endurance than any animal, even antelope and such.

    Modern life has us with for 5-6 hours to get our food instead of hunting, foraging Or hoeing and harvesting.

    Then there is the modern diet. Don’t get me started….

    , @Bill Jones
    @Hypnotoad666

    I find it quite surprising that the fact that the US's recommended "food pyramid" is promulgated by the USDA goes without mention.
    They are in the business of ensuring the financial health of farmers not the physical health of citizens.

  9. Surely you mean “persons of girth.” Or simply “maxies.”

  10. @Jim Don Bob
    World War F has a lot of troops training hard (at least) 3 times a day.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    “World War F has a lot of troops training hard”

    They do say that an army marches on its stomach . . .

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
  11. @anonymous
    Sigh. We get your point, Steve.

    Still, this is absurd. Your article is absurd.

    Replies: @San Fernando Curt, @tyrone, @Justvisiting

    … and tubbers fire their first round.

    • Agree: Polistra
  12. Yeah. Critical Fat Theory.

    Side note: Joe Biden ave stated that the next Supreme Court pick will be a black woman.

    But will she be a fat black woman? { smirk }

    • Replies: @raga10
    @Joe Magarac


    But will she be a fat black woman? { smirk }
     
    Fat, Muslim and disabled... err, sorry - I meant to say, differently abled.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Joe Magarac

    Joe, he will select her by sniffing their hair. Hillary is going to pull a Rachel Dolezal. And Liz Warren say her family were slaves of Indians.

    , @mmack
    @Joe Magarac

    And sassy? Don’t forget sassy 💁🏻‍♀️.

  13. … the fat are increasingly to be feared.

    They’ve always been people to be feared, especially if you back into one on the streets of, say, Charlottesville, Virginia, and have a high deductible. That’s not to mention being sat on for the extortion of lunch money…

    • LOL: SafeNow
  14. Not off topic: Google “bridget fonda daily mail”.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @Joe S.Walker

    What the . . .?

    Oh man. She really was hot once, and I didn’t think it was that long ago.

    But tempus fugit, I guess. How she chooses to live her life is her business, but somehow I doubt she’s happy with her own appearance. She probably tells herself that she doesn’t care anymore, but I bet if there was some easy way to look less dowdy, she’d do it.

    Well anyway, she was once smart and funny and young and sexy.

    As were all of us, back in that long gone but still remembered America.

    , @Farenheit
    @Joe S.Walker

    Lots of photos of Bridget wearing a mask, so good to see she cares about her health!

    , @Rob
    @Joe S.Walker

    Wow, did she piss off some anti-aging guru in Hollywood? Maybe HW doesn’t have fountains of youth. It’s just full of people who have really good genes for aging well because the ones who don’t wash out? Obv they take care of themselves and get good cosmetic surgery.

    But there is only so much cosmetic surgeons can do. Anyone remember the reality-ish show called something like “The Great Makeover”? People on it looked better after the ton of surgery, but not like going from being threes to nines. I wonder what they’d have looked like at 5, 10, etc year follow-ups.

    I can imagine that hot people with still-attractive parents were more likely to give acting or modeling (or escorting) a go if their parents were still really attractive than if they were the swan in a family of ugly ducklings.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Joe S.Walker

    Do you really use google?

    Even though they hate you?

  15. Isn’t already largely off limits to make disparaging comments about fat people? If any Republican members of Congress mocked Stacey Abrams for being fat the Democrats would attempt to strip their committee assignments and censure that member. Conservatism, Inc. would no doubt pile on and I doubt the party leadership would defend them.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Barnard


    Isn’t already largely off limits to make disparaging comments about fat people?
     
    That depends, doesn't it?

    If any Republican members of Congress mocked Stacey Abrams for being fat the Democrats would attempt to strip their committee assignments and censure that member. Conservatism, Inc. would no doubt pile on and I doubt the party leadership would defend them.
     
    And yet if a Democrat were to mock Chris Christie for being fat they wouldn't suffer any penalty at all.
  16. @anonymous
    Sigh. We get your point, Steve.

    Still, this is absurd. Your article is absurd.

    Replies: @San Fernando Curt, @tyrone, @Justvisiting

    The only good thing about having to eat your words is the low calorie content.

    • LOL: Cato, Cortes
  17. The Deep State wants you sexually confused, sexually promiscuous, heavily in debt, childless, working for corporate America, hating European culture and history, hating Jesus, and fat.

    Do the opposite and thrive.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @R.G. Camara


    The Deep State wants you sexually confused, sexually promiscuous, heavily in debt, childless, working for corporate America, hating European culture and history, hating Jesus, and fat.
     
    Four more items and you will have a 12-step globohomo detox program.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Lockean Proviso, @James N. Kennett

    , @advancedatheist
    @R.G. Camara

    I don't "hate Jesus." I just don't see the point of the whole Jesus story. Christians could have left well enough alone by promoting Jesus as an admirable moral teacher, though not one to my taste. But, no, they had to go full woo-woo by turning him into the judge of the dead in the afterlife, which makes him sound like Pinhead in those dumb Hellraiser movies.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @TTSSYF, @Luke Lea

    , @Philbert Desanex
    @R.G. Camara

    you forgot to include 'permanently dependent on the medical/pharmaceutical cartel'

  18. @anonymous
    Sigh. We get your point, Steve.

    Still, this is absurd. Your article is absurd.

    Replies: @San Fernando Curt, @tyrone, @Justvisiting

    Big Pharma loves fat people–great customers–so don’t get surprised if they spend a few billion funding non-profits and PR campaigns to try to cram ugly fat people down our throats.

    • Agree: Clyde
  19. Just enjoying the article now, Steve. OK:

    Why not? Unlike the unvaccinated, who are widely seen as worthy of hate and unlikely to ever be powerful enough to get revenge,…

    Hey, HA and ThatWouldBeTelling resemble that remark! Also, they all need to keep in mind that living without disabling side-effects is the best revenge.

    But there are a lot more fat folks than there are ex-men.

    Oh! Fat folks! I missed that – at first you sounded like Tony Soprano.

    Man, that show always made me hungry for pasta and marinara sauce. Edy Falco, what CAN’T she cook?!

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Leave the pasta, take the salumi.

  20. I am a big fat pig. I need not to be. Despite the genetic component to my fattitufe, I wish to be mocked and shamed into slim.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Keith Magnadoodleson

    I don't know how serious you are, but Keith, Steve wasn't recommending fat people be mocked and shamed. We just don't like being told we must accept the lie that fat chicks are beautiful. Nobody believes it except I suppose those guys in Mauritania, which, I guess I shan't be touring anytime soon.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Keith Magnadoodleson

    The late Babe Paley was the wife of William Paley chairman of CBS many moons ago. She is reputed to have said, "You can never be too rich or too thin."

    Being overweight, like being a smoker, is looked down upon by our elites; it's just not done. There are not a lot of fat smokers in DC, NYC, LA, etc., but both are widespread in flyover country. The saddest thing to see is the number of kids under 8 who are already seriously overweight. Diabetes here I come.

    Replies: @Up2Drew

    , @Veteran Aryan
    @Keith Magnadoodleson

    When things are hard and resources scarce, the ability to produce and retain fat is a wonderful genetic advantage to have. We just aren't living in those times. At the moment...

  21. Fat cows are already part of the diversity stack by association with black men who love them and black women who are them.

  22. @Harry Baldwin
    Granted, the average fat person isn’t as tirelessly diligent in forcing the rest of us to acknowledge and submit to his or her preferred self-image

    Hasn't this already begun with black women, e.g., Lizzo, who will proudly pose for publicity shots in her bikini as if she were Kendall Jenner?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Calvin Hobbes

    Hasn’t this already begun with black women, e.g., Lizzo, who will proudly pose for publicity shots in her bikini as if she were Kendall Jenner?

    I had never heard of Lizzo. Google found this for me, with LOTS of Lizzo bikini pictures:

    A Comprehensive Guide to Lizzo’s Hottest Swim Moments of All Time

    https://www.usmagazine.com/stylish/pictures/lizzos-bikini-body-sexy-swimsuit-style-pics/

    She’s grossly obese, but she has a sense of humor. Here’s the caption for one of her bikini pictures:

    “Big bitch bikini — my strings got lost — ya man got haveta dig em out like floss🤪,” the singer captioned her Instagram pic, rocking a neon green cheetah-print bikini from Adam Selman Sport.

    And in the picture you can’t see any evidence of the bikini bottom. More than the strings got lost!

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Calvin Hobbes

    Lizzo got criticizedo by fans for being "fatphobic" and 'giving in to diet culture' after adopting a vegan diet and losing 50 lbs:

    https://www.allaboutlaughs.com/lizzo-criticized-after-successfully-completing-10-day-detox-and-losing-weight-fans-claims-shes-profiting-off-people-disliking-themselves/

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

  23. It may not be fatness, but it will be something, yes.

    You could have predicted that dudes in dresses would have become sacred.
    Personally I find they give plenty of warning and there’s no need to brace too hard. However, if you’re into that sort of thing, I suggest working out what method would have safely predicted the hallowing of autogynephiles, and then trying it prospectively.

  24. A curious example of the power of social trends on thought is that two years into the Covid pandemic, nobody of any influence has yet bothered to launch a campaign to persuade Americans to do the one obvious non-pharmaceutical intervention that would make Americans healthier whether the virus stays or goes: lose some weight.

    Instead, 2022 has seen new gains in the long, grinding campaign to make the fat another of those privileged classes whose self-image cannot be affronted.

    We’ve seen this all before.

    Way back when AIDS was a big deal, the people most responsible for spreading it managed to get themselves portrayed as victims – and it turned into a huge political win for them.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @vinteuil


    Way back when AIDS was a big deal, the people most responsible for spreading it managed to get themselves portrayed as victims – and it turned into a huge political win for them.
     
    Great comment vinteuil.

    The way homosexuals--obviously aided by the minoritarian ethos--were able to leverage their bathhouse antics spreading a lethal virus into heroic victims, "liberation" and homosexual "marriage" was absolutely incredible.

    Seeing it unfold was part of my personal political wakeup. Understanding it helps unlock the understanding of the minoritarian ideology and the ugly dystopia it has created in the West.
  25. @Hypnotoad666
    The average black woman is 5'4" and 186 lbs. Yikes! That used to be considered a hefty weight for an athletic 6'0 man. I knew Americans were fat but those statistics are almost unbelievable. And whites are hardly any better.

    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80's and haven't stopped is a legitimate mystery. It's not like people didn't enjoy eating before that. So something more than generalized gluttony seems to be going on. I've heard different theories about the effects of changes in gut biomes, the ubiquity of high fructose corn syrup, vegetable cooking oils, food allergy issues, etc. But nobody really seems to have a clue.

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anon12, @Antiwar7, @PaceLaw, @Redneck farmer, @Almost Missouri, @Thea, @Bill Jones

    The mid/late 80’s is when we saw the start of the complete vilification of tobacco and by association nicotine. Nicotine is an appetite suppressant, so it seems plausible that as people stopped smoking in large numbers they started eating more.

    Home video game consoles also took off in the mid/late 80’s, so kids’ outside playtime was likely drastically reduced as they sat inside playing Nintendo, Sega, etc.

    I’m sure there are other factors as well.

    • Agree: Bernard
    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @Mike Tre

    Good point about nicotine.
    In the long run, I wonder who is healthier : thin smokers or morbidly obese non-smokers?

    Replies: @TTSSYF

    , @Lockean Proviso
    @Mike Tre

    Another thing in the late 80s was that globalization started to erode prosperity in the rust belt and mill towns, so people losing jobs and pay were stressed and losing hopes for the future. Some of them probably responded with chronic stress eating and listlessness, getting fatter than when they were active in a thriving community.

    Once whatever factors started to contribute to rises in obesity, it can become the new normal. People become less likely to think of themselves as fat if their family and peers are getting fatter as well.


    https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/features/is-fat-the-new-normal

    "It's quite clear that people are changing their idea of what an acceptable body size is," says Nicholas Christakis, MD, PhD, of Harvard Medical School. As the average body weight goes up, there's more acceptance of heavier body types. This, in turn, clears the path for even more people to put on weight, says Christakis, who is the co-author of Connected: The Surprising Power of Our Social Networks and How They Change Lives.
     
    , @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre


    The mid/late 80’s is when we saw the start of the complete vilification of tobacco and by association nicotine.
     
    I suspect the rise in allergies is also due to this. Growing up in a smoke-filled home may cause other problems, but an oversensitive constitution won't be one of them.
    , @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Put simply, the obese simply *cannot* and do not perform consistent hard physical labor for a living.
    Never mind all the nonsense, that's your answer right there.

    , @Up2Drew
    @Mike Tre

    I do agree that the abolition of cigarette smoking at my socioeconomic strata has had a huge effect on female weight. I remember once reading that, essentially, every "supermodel" smoked. That's why I always carried a lighter around. An infinitesimally small possibility, but if I ever once had Christy Brinkley walk over to me and ask if I had a book of matches, I was ready.

  26. Will the Fat Become the Next Identity Politics Sacred Cow?

    Is it good for the Jews?

    The answer will help to inform you on whether it will or will not.

  27. Classic comment from “Theodora” at Heartiste:

    https://heartiste.org/2017/06/16/the-difference-between-fat-men-and-fat-chicks/

    I think that one big difference between female obesity and male obesity is this: while the health and aesthetics problems are common to both sexes, female obesity is totalitarian. Fat men don’t demand to be called Big Beautiful Boys. They don’t lie themselves that they are voluptuous, gorgeous and curvy. They don’t want to change the standards of beauty existing since the beginning of humanity. They don’t shame and bully thin people (“eat a sandwich!:), they don’t ask to vanity change the sizes of clothes, they don’t ask to erase the word “fat” from public conversations. Fat men usually deal with their problems individually and in silence, while fat women want to change society, dictionaries, standards, reality and human nature to ease the burden of their fatness, acting as true Stalinists in the process.

    That’s why the female obesity epidemic is more dangerous than a matter of health and aesthetics, and an affront not only to Beauty, but also to Truth, and well-deserving of the Shiv.

    • Thanks: Polistra, Voltarde
    • Replies: @prosa123
    @BenjaminL

    I think that one big difference between female obesity and male obesity is this: while the health and aesthetics problems are common to both sexes, female obesity is totalitarian.

    Health issues aren't the same. Women tend to pack on extra pounds on their hips and rear ends, and as long as not too extreme it isn't usually a major medical risk. Men usually add extra weight on their abdomens, where it can present significant health dangers.

  28. It’s not about “the fat people”.

    For one thing, women will continue to cancel fat men, particularly fast white men. Women won’t accept any limits on their speech.

    Fat black women will be idolized for the foreseeable future. This is a combination of two American Leftist dreams come true. First, George Orwell’s dictum that when you see four fingers, but the Party says there are five, then you will see five. Second, this is a knife stuck in the backs of men everywhere, and twisted joyfully by the unattractive women who have been seething at the unfairness of life since Junior high school.

  29. A curious example of the power of social trends on thought is that two years into the Covid pandemic, nobody of any influence has yet bothered to launch a campaign to persuade Americans to do the one obvious non-pharmaceutical intervention that would make Americans healthier whether the virus stays or goes: lose some weight.

    Maybe the reason for this is that anybody involved in health care already knew that obesity was a complication factor for all kinds of medical conditions long before Covid-19.

    But here is a brilliant short video by Dr. Sanjay Gupta that explains why obese people do worse with Covid-19. I say it is brilliant, because it simply and clearly explains why obesity makes Covid-19 worse in terms that can be understood by a layman, and tells you everything that you need to know (except how to lose weight.)

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/11/20/obesity-covid-19-underlying-condition-risk-orig-llr.cnn

    But is it ONLY Doc SG who is saying this.?

    No, you can find the very same thing in other words on the CDC Website, at PAHO, at WHO, at the UK NHS, and so on. And this is what your doctor is supposed to be telling you if your obesity screening shows a BMI that is in the obesity or severe obesity range.

    The CDC even tells you, in true Sailer fashion, that black people are more at risk.

    https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html

    https://www.paho.org/en/documents/joint-statement-nutrition-context-covid-19-pandemic-latin-america-and-caribbean-february

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/who-is-at-high-risk-from-coronavirus/

    https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/health-emergencies/coronavirus-covid-19/news/news/2020/10/obesity-significantly-increases-chances-of-severe-outcomes-for-covid-19-patients

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00342-4/fulltext

    https://www.science.org/content/article/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2779186

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/health/covid-fat-obesity.html

    Tucker Carlson: “So somebody who knows him(Boris Johnson) told me ― and I’d be interested in getting your take on this ― that getting COVID emasculated him, it changed him, it feminized him, it weakened him as a man”.

    Nigel Farage: “Well, I think he was very seriously ill. One of the things we have learned from COVID is people who are 50, 60, 70, 80 pounds overweight tend to have fared very badly.”

    So the message is openly out there from all the medical authorities worldwide.

    So what is Steve saying, that popular entertainment figures and epidemiology experts like Eric Clapton, Novak Djokovic, Joe Rogan, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Meatloaf are not talking about obesity and Covid-19?

    Obviously it is no good having reports on mainstream mass media or medical research sites, because everyone on Unz review now knows that they are all part of a James Bond-type conspiracy to depopulate planet earth and replace us all with robots. (Just stands to reason.)

    I kind of agree that when well-known people who die with Covid-19 and are unvaccinated are also obese, this perhaps should be mentioned in their obituaries, but in general the press shies away from speaking ill of the dead because they don’t want to inflict hurt on the families of the deceased.

    So how much did Meatloaf weigh-in at the autopsy anyway? Actually it appears that he lost weight in his last years, but he admitted to weighing over 300 lbs for much of his life.

    https://www.music-news.com/news/UK/101335/Meat-Loaf-Being-overweight-has-taken-its-toll-on-my-body

  30. This one I’m looking forward to. When I next visit my doctor and am once again admonished to shed that extra 20, my next stop will be to my lawyer’s office where I will file suit for fat shaming.

    Sounds like an easy six figures to me.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Bernard

    Justice is gonna need a bigger set of scales.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  31. @R.G. Camara
    The Deep State wants you sexually confused, sexually promiscuous, heavily in debt, childless, working for corporate America, hating European culture and history, hating Jesus, and fat.

    Do the opposite and thrive.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @advancedatheist, @Philbert Desanex

    The Deep State wants you sexually confused, sexually promiscuous, heavily in debt, childless, working for corporate America, hating European culture and history, hating Jesus, and fat.

    Four more items and you will have a 12-step globohomo detox program.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Hi. My name is Achmed E. Newman, and I am a normal person."

    "Hello, Achmed!"

    (See Peak Stupidty on "12-step programs for all our problems".)

    , @Lockean Proviso
    @Hypnotoad666

    Four more items and you will have a 12-step globohomo detox program.

    - addicted to something
    - ignorant
    - illiterate/ not reading books and longer articles
    - watching a lot of television

    , @James N. Kennett
    @Hypnotoad666


    Four more items and you will have a 12-step globohomo detox program.
     
    9. Smoking legalized pot
    10. Giving up your job and home to a person with more intersectional Pokemon points
    11. Not owning anything
    12. Being happy
  32. There’s that old line “Why is the bride smiling?” which has several answers, one of which will send me to purgatory for a few days, but a printable answer is: because she is thinking, now I can start eating. This being the case, back in the day, the defensive strategy was “look at the mother.” The downside of that strategy was that if the mother was slim, and you go ahead and marry the daughter, you’re in for a lifetime of salads. I don’t know if this defensive strategy works as well with black
    families.

  33. Never let it be said that the Belgians never lead the world,

    This is their Health Minister.

    https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article19604897.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/maggie-de-block-20-stone-minister-public-health-405021

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill Jones


    Never let it be said that the Belgians never lead the world
     
    They invented "French" fries!

    Brussels is seriously weird. The top four surnames in the city-- actually, "region"-- are from the Senegambian language of Fula. The fifth is the ubiquitous Nguyễn, and the tenth Benali, i.e., "son of Ali".

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_common_surnames_in_Europe#Belgium

    One, Diallo, is #36 nationwide. It's the only one of these in the top 300 in either Flanders or Wallonia.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  34. Will the Fat Become the Next Identity Politics Sacred Cow?

    No.

    Because no one who is not yet obese actually wants to be obese.

    While it is true that many obese people don’t mind being obese, no one who is not obese wants to become obese.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Thomm

    'Because no one who is not yet obese actually wants to be obese.

    'While it is true that many obese people don’t mind being obese, no one who is not obese wants to become obese.'

    Meh. Sounds good -- but you could replace 'obese' with 'black' in your statement and it would still be reasonably accurate. No one wants to be black, either -- not really.

    Yet blacks are inarguably a sacred cow.

  35. I mean, I don’t know about ‘Sacred Cow’ but it’s not like fat people get something from being fat it’s a bundle of downsides the fat are aware of. On balance I don’t think society should be abusive to overweight people as in general it shouldn’t be abusive to people in general outside individuals who are clearly being antisocial.

    But I don’t think modern Western polite society is all that abusive. I think we’ll see campaigns from attention seeking people accusing people of things they aren’t guilty of and demanding solutions to problems that don’t exist. Just like with all these campaigns. They keep going because the problem they claim they’re tackling never existed and if it does, it’s driven by resentment from people being accused of hating X or whatever.

    Though I do remember this clip from an African-American woman in Japan complaining about a lack of ‘diversity’ of body shapes and sizes in Japan and how the less polite bluntness of Japanese people on commenting on her weight.

    What’s telling is she has internalised SJW logic of the only way to stop discriminating or abusive of some category of people is to displace others with that category (Despite the massive success in the West and elsewhere of ending discriminating or abusive of kinds of people through nothing more than appeals to empathy that she as a black woman should obviously realise) and goes on to get excited about the possibility and indeed ‘need’ of more overweight people in Japan. I’m not making it up.

    I would hope that people would get used to more diverse bodies. There needs to be more bodies in this country! Umm, beyond race and gender, I mean like sizes! That is something that really needs to change. So I’m hoping in the future that becomes a different scenario.

    ‘needs to change’, echoes of Western neoliberal economists complaining about how say Germany ‘needs’ 400k immigrants a year or it’ll spontaneously combust or something, Japanese people need to stop not being obese or obese people should be shipped in to fix this ‘problem’. And really, how much farther is this solipsism from the aforementioned neoliberal economist?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Altai

    #NeedsToChange is the first cry of the self-obsessed.

    , @Jmaie
    @Altai


    Though I do remember this clip from an African-American woman in Japan complaining about a lack of ‘diversity’ of body shapes and sizes in Japan and how the less polite bluntness of Japanese people on commenting on her weight.
     
    They weren't really treating her a second class because of her weight...

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai


    Japanese people need to stop not being obese
     
    They are working on this.


    https://gdb.voanews.com/BC216ABE-235B-4013-8534-1E1DE7D06032_w1200_r1.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Sick 'n Tired
    @Altai

    I've been to Japan, it is an amazing country full of great people. Clean, orderly, well thought out, and how a great example of how a successful society should be run. As long as you go there with an attitude that you're a guest in their country and respect the way they live & conduct their lives. If more countries went the Japan route, the world would be a much better place.

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @nebulafox
    @Altai

    I don't take this seriously mainly because the Japanese are, the odd child aside, not the types to do this. Oh, they'll notice. But they won't point it out. Far too polite.

    Now, China on the other hand? That's believable.

    FWIW, Southeast Asians do seem to gain weight differently from East Asians. It's not USA levels, but American fast food combined with office work has really caused problems in Malaysia and Singapore for ethnic Malays, especially the women.

  36. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Conversion therapy, changing sexual orientation from gay to straight, has been banned by law in a number of places. Perhaps in the future coaxing people to lose weight will be prohibited. Diet coaches, diet advice, etc, will be censored by big tech. People suspected of harboring negative reflexes against the colossally morbid obese will be accused of having a diagnostic disorder much as they use homo-phobia now. You have a ‘disorder’, a ‘phobia’ and need medication and perhaps a stay at some institution to rectify your wrong-think. Next DSM manual might even list it as such.

  37. Biden is best-positioned to address this:

    “Look, Fat, here’s the deal…”

  38. Transfats are the worst.

    Also, a candle that is doubly fat burns twice as hot:

    Spontaneous human combustion in the light of the 21st century

    The term “spontaneous human combustion” refers to a situation when a human body is found with significant portions of the middle parts of the body reduced to ashes, much less damage to the head and extremities, and minimal damage to the direct surroundings of the body. Typically, no observable source of ignition is found in the vicinity of the victim and a bad smelling oily substance is noted. In the past, such a situation was erroneously attributed to supernatural powers, as such phenomenon occurs in the absence of any witness. The purpose of this review article was to analyze articles published from January 1, 2000, on this unique type of burn injury. Further aims were to gather and present data on the causes and events leading to this situation. The literature was reviewed with PubMed interface using the key words spontaneous human combustion and preternatural combustion. Specific inclusion criteria resulted in 12 patients. A unique sequence of events takes place for the human body to incinerate to ashes. The flame burn victim has to die for the body fat to start melting. A tear in the skin has to occur for the melted fat to impregnate the charred clothes, igniting a wick effect that produces localized heat for extended period. A phenomenon called spontaneous human combustion is reality. The term “spontaneous human combustion” has nuances which are not applicable to this situation or to these modern times, therefore we suggest a new term “fat wick burns.”

    • LOL: TTSSYF
  39. Covid and obesity: Japan has an obesity rate of 2%. That’s probably sufficient explanation for why their covid death rate is so low.

  40. Don’t count out the unvaccinated. There are many of them, and many of them are good people, and they are going to make sure that, for the rest of their lives, the Covid abusers – the followers of the bat-abuser Fauci, the brutal cops and stupid bully politicians and nasty teachers and the rest of the cohort of villains who committed crimes against humanity in support of the bat-abuser Fauci, will all spend the rest of their lives under the dominion of the next round of Nuremberg war trials.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  41. @Keith Magnadoodleson
    I am a big fat pig. I need not to be. Despite the genetic component to my fattitufe, I wish to be mocked and shamed into slim.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob, @Veteran Aryan

    I don’t know how serious you are, but Keith, Steve wasn’t recommending fat people be mocked and shamed. We just don’t like being told we must accept the lie that fat chicks are beautiful. Nobody believes it except I suppose those guys in Mauritania, which, I guess I shan’t be touring anytime soon.

  42. @Hypnotoad666
    The average black woman is 5'4" and 186 lbs. Yikes! That used to be considered a hefty weight for an athletic 6'0 man. I knew Americans were fat but those statistics are almost unbelievable. And whites are hardly any better.

    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80's and haven't stopped is a legitimate mystery. It's not like people didn't enjoy eating before that. So something more than generalized gluttony seems to be going on. I've heard different theories about the effects of changes in gut biomes, the ubiquity of high fructose corn syrup, vegetable cooking oils, food allergy issues, etc. But nobody really seems to have a clue.

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anon12, @Antiwar7, @PaceLaw, @Redneck farmer, @Almost Missouri, @Thea, @Bill Jones

    One more confound: the wife does animal research. Lab animals have also gotten fatter since the 1970s.

    Other possible explanation: Average human body temperature has fallen over time. The scientists hypothesized that there are fewer infections because of antibiotics and improved cleanliness due to water and food systems getting better. Fewer infections, especially low grade infections from drinking and eating impure water and food, may be a factor.

  43. @Altai
    I mean, I don't know about 'Sacred Cow' but it's not like fat people get something from being fat it's a bundle of downsides the fat are aware of. On balance I don't think society should be abusive to overweight people as in general it shouldn't be abusive to people in general outside individuals who are clearly being antisocial.

    But I don't think modern Western polite society is all that abusive. I think we'll see campaigns from attention seeking people accusing people of things they aren't guilty of and demanding solutions to problems that don't exist. Just like with all these campaigns. They keep going because the problem they claim they're tackling never existed and if it does, it's driven by resentment from people being accused of hating X or whatever.

    Though I do remember this clip from an African-American woman in Japan complaining about a lack of 'diversity' of body shapes and sizes in Japan and how the less polite bluntness of Japanese people on commenting on her weight.

    What's telling is she has internalised SJW logic of the only way to stop discriminating or abusive of some category of people is to displace others with that category (Despite the massive success in the West and elsewhere of ending discriminating or abusive of kinds of people through nothing more than appeals to empathy that she as a black woman should obviously realise) and goes on to get excited about the possibility and indeed 'need' of more overweight people in Japan. I'm not making it up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbYUIGl7I9c


    I would hope that people would get used to more diverse bodies. There needs to be more bodies in this country! Umm, beyond race and gender, I mean like sizes! That is something that really needs to change. So I’m hoping in the future that becomes a different scenario.
     
    'needs to change', echoes of Western neoliberal economists complaining about how say Germany 'needs' 400k immigrants a year or it'll spontaneously combust or something, Japanese people need to stop not being obese or obese people should be shipped in to fix this 'problem'. And really, how much farther is this solipsism from the aforementioned neoliberal economist?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jmaie, @Reg Cæsar, @Sick 'n Tired, @nebulafox

    #NeedsToChange is the first cry of the self-obsessed.

  44. @Hypnotoad666
    @R.G. Camara


    The Deep State wants you sexually confused, sexually promiscuous, heavily in debt, childless, working for corporate America, hating European culture and history, hating Jesus, and fat.
     
    Four more items and you will have a 12-step globohomo detox program.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Lockean Proviso, @James N. Kennett

    “Hi. My name is Achmed E. Newman, and I am a normal person.”

    “Hello, Achmed!”

    (See Peak Stupidty on “12-step programs for all our problems”.)

    • LOL: Jim Christian
  45. In the previous NHANES report for 2015–2016, the average weight of black women was 186 pounds versus white women at 171.

    Gawd, who are these people?

    I’m pretty much spot on an average sized American guy. There was a time early in HS i was way overweight and over 171. So i did some running and dropped down to 155 as senior, getting out for lots of tennis and basketball. I love snacking and I’m a good dozen pounds overweight now–a few up over Christmas–but i still haven’t been near 171 in 40 years. What the hell do these people do? Just eat everything in sight?

    I’ll fast tomorrow.

  46. Tucker Carlson had a story a bit ago about dietitians against dieting and fitness instructors against fitness (he cited a couple of stories on NPR as examples). It is no joke. A family member suffering from obesity and depression was advised by a consulting dietitian not to worry about weight as one can be healthy at any weight. A psychologist concurred with that assessment. Apparently, this is a new ideological paradigm that seeks to affirm obesity as normal and healthy. Eventually, the physicians who are counseling patients to lose weight will be set straight by the dietitian community and embrace fatness.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Dutch Boy


    dietitians against dieting and fitness instructors against fitness ... . A family member suffering from obesity and depression was advised by a consulting dietitian not to worry about weight as one can be healthy at any weight. A psychologist concurred with that assessment. Apparently, this is a new ideological paradigm ... .
     
    Add to that Luc Sante's therapist who immediately upon hearing about his heretofore completely unmentioned desire to become woman, gave

    her quick and unsurprised assent. “It makes sense,” she told me. “It sounds like a good idea.” In the four or five years I’d been seeing her, I had never broached any mention of gender.
     
    Besides that the new ideological paradigm in the Health Sciences is simply "whatever", you would think that it might occur to these "professionals" that when your professional advice consists of automatically issuing the equivalent of thumbs-up emoticons, there's an app programmed by Bangladeshis that can go that job better, faster and cheaper than you can.

    Hey, but is that app Board Certified?!

    Well, after some VCs do a deal with a Board in a more biddable jurisdiction, it might be...
  47. @Hypnotoad666
    The average black woman is 5'4" and 186 lbs. Yikes! That used to be considered a hefty weight for an athletic 6'0 man. I knew Americans were fat but those statistics are almost unbelievable. And whites are hardly any better.

    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80's and haven't stopped is a legitimate mystery. It's not like people didn't enjoy eating before that. So something more than generalized gluttony seems to be going on. I've heard different theories about the effects of changes in gut biomes, the ubiquity of high fructose corn syrup, vegetable cooking oils, food allergy issues, etc. But nobody really seems to have a clue.

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anon12, @Antiwar7, @PaceLaw, @Redneck farmer, @Almost Missouri, @Thea, @Bill Jones

    I’d guess the availability and draw of snacking, followed by sedentary jobs, cheap food, and societal stress, are all plausible factors in the rise of US obesity.

  48. @vinteuil

    A curious example of the power of social trends on thought is that two years into the Covid pandemic, nobody of any influence has yet bothered to launch a campaign to persuade Americans to do the one obvious non-pharmaceutical intervention that would make Americans healthier whether the virus stays or goes: lose some weight.

    Instead, 2022 has seen new gains in the long, grinding campaign to make the fat another of those privileged classes whose self-image cannot be affronted.
     
    We've seen this all before.

    Way back when AIDS was a big deal, the people most responsible for spreading it managed to get themselves portrayed as victims - and it turned into a huge political win for them.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Way back when AIDS was a big deal, the people most responsible for spreading it managed to get themselves portrayed as victims – and it turned into a huge political win for them.

    Great comment vinteuil.

    The way homosexuals–obviously aided by the minoritarian ethos–were able to leverage their bathhouse antics spreading a lethal virus into heroic victims, “liberation” and homosexual “marriage” was absolutely incredible.

    Seeing it unfold was part of my personal political wakeup. Understanding it helps unlock the understanding of the minoritarian ideology and the ugly dystopia it has created in the West.

    • Agree: vinteuil
  49. @Altai
    I mean, I don't know about 'Sacred Cow' but it's not like fat people get something from being fat it's a bundle of downsides the fat are aware of. On balance I don't think society should be abusive to overweight people as in general it shouldn't be abusive to people in general outside individuals who are clearly being antisocial.

    But I don't think modern Western polite society is all that abusive. I think we'll see campaigns from attention seeking people accusing people of things they aren't guilty of and demanding solutions to problems that don't exist. Just like with all these campaigns. They keep going because the problem they claim they're tackling never existed and if it does, it's driven by resentment from people being accused of hating X or whatever.

    Though I do remember this clip from an African-American woman in Japan complaining about a lack of 'diversity' of body shapes and sizes in Japan and how the less polite bluntness of Japanese people on commenting on her weight.

    What's telling is she has internalised SJW logic of the only way to stop discriminating or abusive of some category of people is to displace others with that category (Despite the massive success in the West and elsewhere of ending discriminating or abusive of kinds of people through nothing more than appeals to empathy that she as a black woman should obviously realise) and goes on to get excited about the possibility and indeed 'need' of more overweight people in Japan. I'm not making it up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbYUIGl7I9c


    I would hope that people would get used to more diverse bodies. There needs to be more bodies in this country! Umm, beyond race and gender, I mean like sizes! That is something that really needs to change. So I’m hoping in the future that becomes a different scenario.
     
    'needs to change', echoes of Western neoliberal economists complaining about how say Germany 'needs' 400k immigrants a year or it'll spontaneously combust or something, Japanese people need to stop not being obese or obese people should be shipped in to fix this 'problem'. And really, how much farther is this solipsism from the aforementioned neoliberal economist?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jmaie, @Reg Cæsar, @Sick 'n Tired, @nebulafox

    Though I do remember this clip from an African-American woman in Japan complaining about a lack of ‘diversity’ of body shapes and sizes in Japan and how the less polite bluntness of Japanese people on commenting on her weight.

    They weren’t really treating her a second class because of her weight…

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Jmaie

    Ha, ha, yeah those wily Japanese were just saying, "You're brack!" Sounds like fat.

  50. It’s called “fat shaming” now.

    It used to be known as noticing someone is huge.

    But seriously, it’s not about being gratuitously cruel or insulting someone because of their appearance. These gals want to be able to shove their practically naked bodies in front of everyone on Instagram – “Look at me! Look at me!” – and then not experience the to-be-expected consequences of so doing.

  51. I think the more app point of comparison is the tobacco war, not the trans war.

    Leftists demonized smokers as well as big tobacco. They made it impossible to smoke by banning it everywhere. Plus, the anti-smoking crusade explicitly said fighting tobacco is essential because of the health costs tobacco use imposes on society.

    Smoking is a non-essential and highly visible activity engaged in by a minority of people.

    Now the new health crisis is obesity. Except that no one will accept demonizing the fat, and it’s impossible to ban eating, or even restrict it. And even though obesity is inflicting huge health care costs, no one is making that argument.

    Why the difference? Well, a ton of people need to lose weight, so good look attacking a near majority of the population. And people who are obese are incredibly defensive. People who smoke usually concede they need to quit. My impression from watching doctors is that they’ve given up on fighting obesity because it’s too difficult to get people to lose weight, combined with people who are really defensive because they know they should lose weight and can’t. Why piss off a patient you can’t help?

    If you have a problem you can’t fix, it’s easy to start pretending it’s not a problem.

    • Replies: @Farenheit
    @anon12

    The campaign to beat back fat acceptance is going to need to take on many of the lessons learned from rolling back tobacco use, namely, a hundred cultural nudges to stay fit.

    Unfortunately, TPTB currently are shoving, not nudging, society in the wrong direction.

    This, like most things in American life, will get much worse before it starts to get better.

  52. … the fat are increasingly to be feared.

    They’ve always been people to be feared,

    24 Hour Fitness used to (and may still have) their headquarters on Market St. in San Francisco. And there’s a billboard on the roof. Back in the nineties they put up an add showing aliens and the caption, “When they come, they’ll eat the fat ones first.”

    Wasn’t 24 hours before a pack of tubbies was waddling in a picket line in front of the building.

  53. The blogger(s) at Slime Mold Time Mold did (are still doing?) a very interesting series on obesity. A Chemical Hunger has everything in one place.

    Calling it a series of blog posts is totally underselling it. It is a fantastic meta-analysis. It is the height of blogging. It is something that redeems all bloggers from their lives in the closet. (Steve, be sure to go and look out a window occasionally!)

  54. @Joe Magarac
    Yeah. Critical Fat Theory.

    Side note: Joe Biden ave stated that the next Supreme Court pick will be a black woman.

    But will she be a fat black woman? { smirk }

    Replies: @raga10, @Buffalo Joe, @mmack

    But will she be a fat black woman? { smirk }

    Fat, Muslim and disabled… err, sorry – I meant to say, differently abled.

  55. @Altai
    I mean, I don't know about 'Sacred Cow' but it's not like fat people get something from being fat it's a bundle of downsides the fat are aware of. On balance I don't think society should be abusive to overweight people as in general it shouldn't be abusive to people in general outside individuals who are clearly being antisocial.

    But I don't think modern Western polite society is all that abusive. I think we'll see campaigns from attention seeking people accusing people of things they aren't guilty of and demanding solutions to problems that don't exist. Just like with all these campaigns. They keep going because the problem they claim they're tackling never existed and if it does, it's driven by resentment from people being accused of hating X or whatever.

    Though I do remember this clip from an African-American woman in Japan complaining about a lack of 'diversity' of body shapes and sizes in Japan and how the less polite bluntness of Japanese people on commenting on her weight.

    What's telling is she has internalised SJW logic of the only way to stop discriminating or abusive of some category of people is to displace others with that category (Despite the massive success in the West and elsewhere of ending discriminating or abusive of kinds of people through nothing more than appeals to empathy that she as a black woman should obviously realise) and goes on to get excited about the possibility and indeed 'need' of more overweight people in Japan. I'm not making it up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbYUIGl7I9c


    I would hope that people would get used to more diverse bodies. There needs to be more bodies in this country! Umm, beyond race and gender, I mean like sizes! That is something that really needs to change. So I’m hoping in the future that becomes a different scenario.
     
    'needs to change', echoes of Western neoliberal economists complaining about how say Germany 'needs' 400k immigrants a year or it'll spontaneously combust or something, Japanese people need to stop not being obese or obese people should be shipped in to fix this 'problem'. And really, how much farther is this solipsism from the aforementioned neoliberal economist?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jmaie, @Reg Cæsar, @Sick 'n Tired, @nebulafox

    Japanese people need to stop not being obese

    They are working on this.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah but those guys are specially fed and are at high risk of bad outcomes early in life.

  56. “In the previous NHANES report for 2015–2016, the average weight of black women was 186 pounds versus white women at 171. This is age-adjusted to take into account that whites are older on average. White women (averaging 5′ 4.3″) are 0.3″ taller than black women, so it’s fair to compare weights.
    Among the shorter races, Latinas average 169 pounds and Asians only 132.”

    Jeez, no wonder civilization is collapsing. It literally can’t support the weight.

    • LOL: Kylie
  57. @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai


    Japanese people need to stop not being obese
     
    They are working on this.


    https://gdb.voanews.com/BC216ABE-235B-4013-8534-1E1DE7D06032_w1200_r1.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato

    Yeah but those guys are specially fed and are at high risk of bad outcomes early in life.

  58. @Mike Tre
    @Hypnotoad666

    The mid/late 80's is when we saw the start of the complete vilification of tobacco and by association nicotine. Nicotine is an appetite suppressant, so it seems plausible that as people stopped smoking in large numbers they started eating more.

    Home video game consoles also took off in the mid/late 80's, so kids' outside playtime was likely drastically reduced as they sat inside playing Nintendo, Sega, etc.

    I'm sure there are other factors as well.

    Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Lockean Proviso, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Up2Drew

    Good point about nicotine.
    In the long run, I wonder who is healthier : thin smokers or morbidly obese non-smokers?

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    Would you rather drown or be stabbed to death?

  59. Still, black women’s desire to have their body shape and hair type be more appreciated isn’t a wholly ridiculous hope. Different looks have gone in and out of fashion: After WWI, for instance, flat-chested flappers were all the rage, while after WWII, voluptuous Italian movie goddesses were the ideal.

    Steve, we’ve all heard this parroted, at least since the rise of feminism–“look at those Reubens paintings”–but i do not for a second believe it is true. It is basically feminist nonsense promoted somewhat to soothe the egos of physically unattractive women, but ideologically as part of the attack on biology. “Gender” instead of “sex”. “Gender is a social construct.” All that crap.

    There are some racial variations. And there will be some difference in attitude toward ideal fat, based upon whether there is resource scarcity or not.

    But basically normal heterosexual men have found the same things attractive … forever:
    — nice curves (fertility, adequate nutrition)
    — but otherwise youth (fertility)
    — symmetry (good genes)
    — clear skin (good genes, health)
    — “space for your baby here” waist/stomach
    — body looks like it has not had children, rather than already had some other guys’

    The exact features that really get some guy’s motor running will vary. But individual variation aside, the above is the basic program.

    Normal men are attracted to women whose body says: “i’m ready to make you a great baby”. It’s biology.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    — body looks like it has not had children, rather than already had some other guys’
     
    Is this really a thing?
  60. @AnotherDad

    Still, black women’s desire to have their body shape and hair type be more appreciated isn’t a wholly ridiculous hope. Different looks have gone in and out of fashion: After WWI, for instance, flat-chested flappers were all the rage, while after WWII, voluptuous Italian movie goddesses were the ideal.
     
    Steve, we've all heard this parroted, at least since the rise of feminism--"look at those Reubens paintings"--but i do not for a second believe it is true. It is basically feminist nonsense promoted somewhat to soothe the egos of physically unattractive women, but ideologically as part of the attack on biology. "Gender" instead of "sex". "Gender is a social construct." All that crap.

    There are some racial variations. And there will be some difference in attitude toward ideal fat, based upon whether there is resource scarcity or not.

    But basically normal heterosexual men have found the same things attractive ... forever:
    -- nice curves (fertility, adequate nutrition)
    -- but otherwise youth (fertility)
    -- symmetry (good genes)
    -- clear skin (good genes, health)
    -- "space for your baby here" waist/stomach
    -- body looks like it has not had children, rather than already had some other guys'

    The exact features that really get some guy's motor running will vary. But individual variation aside, the above is the basic program.

    Normal men are attracted to women whose body says: "i'm ready to make you a great baby". It's biology.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    — body looks like it has not had children, rather than already had some other guys’

    Is this really a thing?

  61. @Keith Magnadoodleson
    I am a big fat pig. I need not to be. Despite the genetic component to my fattitufe, I wish to be mocked and shamed into slim.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob, @Veteran Aryan

    The late Babe Paley was the wife of William Paley chairman of CBS many moons ago. She is reputed to have said, “You can never be too rich or too thin.”

    Being overweight, like being a smoker, is looked down upon by our elites; it’s just not done. There are not a lot of fat smokers in DC, NYC, LA, etc., but both are widespread in flyover country. The saddest thing to see is the number of kids under 8 who are already seriously overweight. Diabetes here I come.

    • Replies: @Up2Drew
    @Jim Don Bob

    It was a common in NY 60's high society that the Babe Paleys of the world would meet in the finest restaurants, order, and then just push the food around their plates. Being seen (table by the window, please) was incredibly important, as was looking good draped in a designer evening gown.

    Not actually eating, and suppressing your appetite with an ever-present Chesterfield was simply part of the deal.

  62. Thanks for addressing another particularly salient social problem, Steve. You’re right that Big Fat, so to speak, is now pretty powerful.

    I actually put on weight pretty easily, but throughout my adult life I’ve found it possible to keep it off. I think this is mostly because I live in Hong Kong, not the USA. Even though HK is, and has been for a long time, a food-obsessed city, there are still very few genuinely fat people here. And the differences are not just genetic. Although only 17% of Asian Americans are classified as obese, I noticed very quickly after moving here that you can often distinguish ABCs from Hong Kong Chinese — especially girls and women — at a glance. Although the ABCs may not be obese, they have a thickness/heftiness that Hong Kong females usually don’t.

    So why is this? Four theories.

    First, most food here is still cooked from fresh ingredients, both at home and in restaurants. I don’t know if studies have been done that show that processed food is more calorie-dense than food cooked from fresh ingredients, given how full it makes you feel, but I have my suspicions.

    Second, you’d think having shared dishes in the middle of the table instead of individual plates/portions would make it easier to overeat, because theoretically you can just keep on shoveling in whatever you like. In practice, however, I think the opposite occurs. For one thing, basic etiquette restrains an individual diner from picking up food overly frequently from any one dish; you have to be seen to be leaving plenty for others. Also, in a western meal, if you want just a little more of something, that means you get a second helping, which may well be another full serving. Here you can just pick up one more bite from the communal dish, and consider yourself done.

    Third, there is still an animus here against being fat. People will openly comment on others’ weight in a way that is now almost unthinkable in the West. It’s not very nice sometimes, but it does maintain a standard of what’s normal/healthy.

    Fourth, most people here still don’t have cars, and those who do have them don’t use them all the time. This means there’s a lot of casual walking here you can’t avoid unless you’re rich enough to have a car and a driver. This walking has to help also.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Re walking, I have heard similar reasoning from friends who lived in Russia, where a lot of the food is nominally fattening, but where everybody walks everywhere.

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

    , @NJ Transit Commuter
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Fourth, most people here still don’t have cars, and those who do have them don’t use them all the time. This means there’s a lot of casual walking here you can’t avoid unless you’re rich enough to have a car and a driver. This walking has to help also.
     
    I had a few months off between jobs recently and with the extra time starting walking a lot more, at least 10 K steps every day. Without any other change in diet or exercise, I got back down to what I weighed in high school. I cannot say this will work for everyone, but it was the easiest way I ever found to lose weight.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @TTSSYF
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    That's absolutely true about walking. When I lived in Germany, I walked everywhere and loved it (and lost weight that I really couldn't afford to lose). I tried to keep it up when I came back to the U.S. but found it impossible in the big metropolitan area where I lived. Nevertheless, many years later, I weigh the same as I did in college (124 lbs), and for one main reason: I find obesity disgusting. It's like the line about 90% of life just showing up, or the Serenity Prayer.

    , @anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    HK is basically NYC, but with lots more Chinese and good hills for walking. Best Chinese food I've had anywhere; it indeed tastes very fresh and healthy unlike, say, American "Chinese" food.
    TLRC, your points about communal eating and food served in small pieces being helpful to reduce overeating ring true. Another helpful thing I think is the use of chopsticks. Being European, I used to think it was a dumb, inefficient way to eat, but eventually realized that it's actually clever in that inefficiency in shoveling food in is the point. I wonder if those of you who are Asian and/or have better insights into Asian cultures, could comment on that.

  63. @Altai
    I mean, I don't know about 'Sacred Cow' but it's not like fat people get something from being fat it's a bundle of downsides the fat are aware of. On balance I don't think society should be abusive to overweight people as in general it shouldn't be abusive to people in general outside individuals who are clearly being antisocial.

    But I don't think modern Western polite society is all that abusive. I think we'll see campaigns from attention seeking people accusing people of things they aren't guilty of and demanding solutions to problems that don't exist. Just like with all these campaigns. They keep going because the problem they claim they're tackling never existed and if it does, it's driven by resentment from people being accused of hating X or whatever.

    Though I do remember this clip from an African-American woman in Japan complaining about a lack of 'diversity' of body shapes and sizes in Japan and how the less polite bluntness of Japanese people on commenting on her weight.

    What's telling is she has internalised SJW logic of the only way to stop discriminating or abusive of some category of people is to displace others with that category (Despite the massive success in the West and elsewhere of ending discriminating or abusive of kinds of people through nothing more than appeals to empathy that she as a black woman should obviously realise) and goes on to get excited about the possibility and indeed 'need' of more overweight people in Japan. I'm not making it up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbYUIGl7I9c


    I would hope that people would get used to more diverse bodies. There needs to be more bodies in this country! Umm, beyond race and gender, I mean like sizes! That is something that really needs to change. So I’m hoping in the future that becomes a different scenario.
     
    'needs to change', echoes of Western neoliberal economists complaining about how say Germany 'needs' 400k immigrants a year or it'll spontaneously combust or something, Japanese people need to stop not being obese or obese people should be shipped in to fix this 'problem'. And really, how much farther is this solipsism from the aforementioned neoliberal economist?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jmaie, @Reg Cæsar, @Sick 'n Tired, @nebulafox

    I’ve been to Japan, it is an amazing country full of great people. Clean, orderly, well thought out, and how a great example of how a successful society should be run. As long as you go there with an attitude that you’re a guest in their country and respect the way they live & conduct their lives. If more countries went the Japan route, the world would be a much better place.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Sick 'n Tired


    If more countries went the Japan route, the world would be a much better place.
     
    Yes, nuking them a couple of times a while back did wonders for them.
  64. As a follow-up to my post above: although I stressed that Cantonese food is generally cooked from fresh ingredients, that doesn’t mean it’s some kind of super-healthy paleo-keto wonder diet.

    Lots of people here start the day by eating nauseatingly sweet buns and pastries produced by local bakeries, or by tucking into big steaming bowls of carb-n-chemicals instant noodles. And speaking of carbs, it still amazes me to see the buckets of white rice and platters of heavy noodles that get put away here by people who look almost emaciated to western eyes.

    Chinese cooking also uses plenty of oil. I recall a lunchtime conversation with some work colleagues years ago. One of them, an English woman, was haranguing the table with complaints about how horrible and ‘greasy’ the local Chinese food was. She claimed her delicate constitution simply couldn’t tolerate it, and she described at great length the efforts she had to make to obtain and prepare western dishes of exemplary purity and healthiness. The only thing was, this woman must have weighed in at close to two bills, while the Chinese women at the table were uniformly slim. I could pretty much guess what they were thinking.

    • Thanks: Professional Slav
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Hong Kong also has high meat consumption, reportedly...
    https://roguehealthandfitness.com/meat-saturated-fat-and-long-life/

    I lived on the peninsula (but not in The Peninsula!) for a month. I walked quite a bit, and I basically only ate one meal per day, but I was very comfortable all the time. I lost weight, and I enjoyed everything I ate in Hong Kong. Then my wife and I vacationed there (this time in The Peninsula) just before the protests and crackdowns got under way. Again, all the food was great, and I think we were never hungry, but again we walked a lot.

    , @nebulafox
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    "Our Taiwanese brothers don't like MSG and oil like we do." - first PRC tourist guides in Taiwan, 2006.

    For me, Sichuan/Hunan/Guangxi food is one of my big weaknesses in life: I lovvve spicy stuff and make up for my lack of a sweet tooth with my appetite for salt, oil, and alcohol. Given my family's preselection for heart disease, that means I've got to be careful.

    But I'd rather die at 80 living my way and fornicating with an eligible widow on the summit of Mount Merapi (worst case scenario, best would be my wife, of course) with a bunch of semi finished books in the tent than at 90 nibbling on a salad and being pushed around by some condescending whippersnapper.

    Which is another way of just saying, don't ever let the bastards grind you down. :P

  65. @Barnard
    Isn't already largely off limits to make disparaging comments about fat people? If any Republican members of Congress mocked Stacey Abrams for being fat the Democrats would attempt to strip their committee assignments and censure that member. Conservatism, Inc. would no doubt pile on and I doubt the party leadership would defend them.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Isn’t already largely off limits to make disparaging comments about fat people?

    That depends, doesn’t it?

    If any Republican members of Congress mocked Stacey Abrams for being fat the Democrats would attempt to strip their committee assignments and censure that member. Conservatism, Inc. would no doubt pile on and I doubt the party leadership would defend them.

    And yet if a Democrat were to mock Chris Christie for being fat they wouldn’t suffer any penalty at all.

  66. Wait until the morbidly obese, gay and boy-loving Baron Harkonnen in Dune becomes the story’s real hero. After all, he checks three boxes on the intersectionality scorecard.

    BTW, I don’t understand how Dune has avoided cancellation. The novel assumes that eugenics works, that democracy doesn’t, that the common people need hierarchical political structures headed by aristocrats and allied with organized religions to keep them in line and give their lives meaning, and that women can find fulfillment in traditional roles as concubines and mothers.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @advancedatheist

    Because Mimimal Denis leaves all that out and zoomers don't read.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @advancedatheist


    BTW, I don’t understand how Dune has avoided cancellation. The novel assumes that eugenics works, that democracy doesn’t, that the common people need hierarchical political structures headed by aristocrats and allied with organized religions to keep them in line and give their lives meaning, and that women can find fulfillment in traditional roles as concubines and mothers.

     

    Actually, you could say much the same about the Harry Potter series. And look how beloved J K Rowling remains -- oh, wait . . . .

    Seriously, if Rowling had knuckled under to the trans-fanatics, her books would still be near-sacred texts to the wokerati. Deep down they love the idea that they're the magical, enlightened aristocrats, and the rest of us are deplorable muggles.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Appianglorius
    @advancedatheist

    Baron Harkonnen is a bad guy, this being demonstrated by his first name being Vladimir

  67. Another BTW, speaking of science fiction writers: Did Arthur C. Clarke ever order his servants to bring him a well-drugged Sri Lankan boy on the nights when he didn’t feel like wrestling?

  68. Democrats encourage the normalization of unhealthy habits as an ad hoc, for the day scheme for some political advantage, usually to pick up another victim-bully group, then forget about them when some new issue comes up, and seek to externalize costs when the unhealthiness becomes undeniable. They do this regularly enough that a real government could prosecute them on public health grounds.

  69. @advancedatheist
    Wait until the morbidly obese, gay and boy-loving Baron Harkonnen in Dune becomes the story's real hero. After all, he checks three boxes on the intersectionality scorecard.

    BTW, I don't understand how Dune has avoided cancellation. The novel assumes that eugenics works, that democracy doesn't, that the common people need hierarchical political structures headed by aristocrats and allied with organized religions to keep them in line and give their lives meaning, and that women can find fulfillment in traditional roles as concubines and mothers.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Appianglorius

    Because Mimimal Denis leaves all that out and zoomers don’t read.

  70. @Joe Magarac
    Yeah. Critical Fat Theory.

    Side note: Joe Biden ave stated that the next Supreme Court pick will be a black woman.

    But will she be a fat black woman? { smirk }

    Replies: @raga10, @Buffalo Joe, @mmack

    Joe, he will select her by sniffing their hair. Hillary is going to pull a Rachel Dolezal. And Liz Warren say her family were slaves of Indians.

    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  71. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:

    I like to explore the world via Google Maps Street View. If you “walk” down the side streets in West African cities like Lagos or Accra, you see lots of fat women. This is in serious slums with tin roof shacks and people balancing straw baskets on their heads. No McDonald’s in sight. Very few of the men are fat, but lots of the women are.

  72. @R.G. Camara
    The Deep State wants you sexually confused, sexually promiscuous, heavily in debt, childless, working for corporate America, hating European culture and history, hating Jesus, and fat.

    Do the opposite and thrive.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @advancedatheist, @Philbert Desanex

    I don’t “hate Jesus.” I just don’t see the point of the whole Jesus story. Christians could have left well enough alone by promoting Jesus as an admirable moral teacher, though not one to my taste. But, no, they had to go full woo-woo by turning him into the judge of the dead in the afterlife, which makes him sound like Pinhead in those dumb Hellraiser movies.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @advancedatheist

    Your denial of the Truth is noted, little one.

    Trite, though. Perhaps your fellow little 14-year-olds can come up with some more original lies to spew?

    , @TTSSYF
    @advancedatheist


    I don’t “hate Jesus.” I just don’t see the point of the whole Jesus story. Christians could have left well enough alone by promoting Jesus as an admirable moral teacher, though not one to my taste.
     
    Totally agree.
    , @Luke Lea
    @advancedatheist

    "I don’t “hate Jesus.” I just don’t see the point of the whole Jesus story. Christians could have left well enough alone by promoting Jesus as an admirable moral teacher, though not one to my taste."

    See here for an alternative view, one that Steven Pinker happens to like btw, which surprised me no end when he told me:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ccu91wcovedefH6WbdWaEz6F_uzvy8tab7GHoZBv1BQ/edit?usp=sharing

  73. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for addressing another particularly salient social problem, Steve. You're right that Big Fat, so to speak, is now pretty powerful.

    I actually put on weight pretty easily, but throughout my adult life I've found it possible to keep it off. I think this is mostly because I live in Hong Kong, not the USA. Even though HK is, and has been for a long time, a food-obsessed city, there are still very few genuinely fat people here. And the differences are not just genetic. Although only 17% of Asian Americans are classified as obese, I noticed very quickly after moving here that you can often distinguish ABCs from Hong Kong Chinese -- especially girls and women -- at a glance. Although the ABCs may not be obese, they have a thickness/heftiness that Hong Kong females usually don't.

    So why is this? Four theories.

    First, most food here is still cooked from fresh ingredients, both at home and in restaurants. I don't know if studies have been done that show that processed food is more calorie-dense than food cooked from fresh ingredients, given how full it makes you feel, but I have my suspicions.

    Second, you'd think having shared dishes in the middle of the table instead of individual plates/portions would make it easier to overeat, because theoretically you can just keep on shoveling in whatever you like. In practice, however, I think the opposite occurs. For one thing, basic etiquette restrains an individual diner from picking up food overly frequently from any one dish; you have to be seen to be leaving plenty for others. Also, in a western meal, if you want just a little more of something, that means you get a second helping, which may well be another full serving. Here you can just pick up one more bite from the communal dish, and consider yourself done.

    Third, there is still an animus here against being fat. People will openly comment on others' weight in a way that is now almost unthinkable in the West. It's not very nice sometimes, but it does maintain a standard of what's normal/healthy.

    Fourth, most people here still don't have cars, and those who do have them don't use them all the time. This means there's a lot of casual walking here you can't avoid unless you're rich enough to have a car and a driver. This walking has to help also.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @NJ Transit Commuter, @TTSSYF, @anon

    Re walking, I have heard similar reasoning from friends who lived in Russia, where a lot of the food is nominally fattening, but where everybody walks everywhere.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    @J.Ross

    All the vodka and bear wrestling helps keep them skinny.

    https://youtu.be/Hovy3YnaJTc

    https://youtu.be/PAWd_WJNVms

    https://youtu.be/8IIGNlJGSKY

    https://youtube.com/shorts/bka39N5DhSM?feature=share

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  74. @Joe S.Walker
    Not off topic: Google "bridget fonda daily mail".

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Farenheit, @Rob, @Bill Jones

    What the . . .?

    Oh man. She really was hot once, and I didn’t think it was that long ago.

    But tempus fugit, I guess. How she chooses to live her life is her business, but somehow I doubt she’s happy with her own appearance. She probably tells herself that she doesn’t care anymore, but I bet if there was some easy way to look less dowdy, she’d do it.

    Well anyway, she was once smart and funny and young and sexy.

    As were all of us, back in that long gone but still remembered America.

  75. Should need to get a license to buy bicycle shorts and yoga pants.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  76. Fat activism and fat-disability activism are already well developed movements in the hallowed halls of Amerikan academia. While the shock troops of fatness may not be able to advance as quickly or aggressively as the ex-men, their momentum is rather difficult to stop.
    Fatties are already sacred cows, just no one noticed because they tend to do less damage over the short run. If Covid-19 hadn’t inconveniently started stacking up fatties, they might have gone another decade or two before anyone really thought about it. So your prediction of 2029 likely isn’t far off, although they may need to move up the timeline now.

  77. @advancedatheist
    Wait until the morbidly obese, gay and boy-loving Baron Harkonnen in Dune becomes the story's real hero. After all, he checks three boxes on the intersectionality scorecard.

    BTW, I don't understand how Dune has avoided cancellation. The novel assumes that eugenics works, that democracy doesn't, that the common people need hierarchical political structures headed by aristocrats and allied with organized religions to keep them in line and give their lives meaning, and that women can find fulfillment in traditional roles as concubines and mothers.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Appianglorius

    BTW, I don’t understand how Dune has avoided cancellation. The novel assumes that eugenics works, that democracy doesn’t, that the common people need hierarchical political structures headed by aristocrats and allied with organized religions to keep them in line and give their lives meaning, and that women can find fulfillment in traditional roles as concubines and mothers.

    Actually, you could say much the same about the Harry Potter series. And look how beloved J K Rowling remains — oh, wait . . . .

    Seriously, if Rowling had knuckled under to the trans-fanatics, her books would still be near-sacred texts to the wokerati. Deep down they love the idea that they’re the magical, enlightened aristocrats, and the rest of us are deplorable muggles.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Deep down they love the idea that they’re the magical, enlightened aristocrats, and the rest of us are deplorable muggles.

    Spot on.

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    CDAN says that JKR continues to make piles of money off HP, and that she had final say so on casting decisions. It's too bad that more people with FU money don't tell these SJWs to FOAD.

  78. @Joe S.Walker
    Not off topic: Google "bridget fonda daily mail".

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Farenheit, @Rob, @Bill Jones

    Lots of photos of Bridget wearing a mask, so good to see she cares about her health!

  79. TLC has a lot of popular reality shows about extremely fat people like “My 600 lb Life” and “The 1,000 lb Sisters.”. They’re basically modern day freak shows.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon

    I watched a few minutes of that, and had to stop. It's awful. One of the sisters actually has a substantial roll of fat on her forehead. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

    Shows like that one reward the viewer's unhealthy prurient fascination, and at the same time convince her (most of the time it's a her, I guess) that there's always somebody else out there who's really fat, much fatter than me, so I'm still okay.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Anon

    The funny thing is that Japan also has TV shows that feature girls who eat huge quantities of food, but the Japanese girls are super thin and petite. The first such I saw was pre-pandemic. This tiny girl traveled around Spain eating the most authentic paellas, but in each place she would eat an entire paella by herself. Then she was traveling around eating entire pizzas and passing some "big steak" free-if-you-can-finish challenges in the USA. Amazing.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  80. @Art Deco
    Excess weight tends to be downmarket. OTOH, it's more common among Democratic Party mascots. So, the thing is to manufacture tropes and slogans which justify injuring people who laugh at Stacey Abrams (D-Diabetes) while allowing the bien pensants to trash Honey Boo Boo's family.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @International Jew

    Excess weight tends to be downmarket. OTOH, it’s more common among Democratic Party mascots. So, the thing is to manufacture tropes and slogans which justify injuring people who laugh at Stacey Abrams (D-Diabetes) while allowing the bien pensants to trash Honey Boo Boo’s family.

    My take as well.

    Seems like we’re seeing program where noticing or ridiculing obesity of any black woman is “racist”. And perhaps any thought about the weight of any woman is “sexist”.

    But a general “fat acceptance” push can’t really take off because so many of the obese whites are deplorables. And for “good whites” their obesity is part of the package of their downscale declasseness.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @AnotherDad


    But a general “fat acceptance” push can’t really take off because so many of the obese whites are deplorables. And for “good whites” their obesity is part of the package of their downscale declasseness.

     

    Agreed. A similar situation exists with polygamy: the good whites would love to be seen approving of it when it's practiced by Muslims/Africans/etc., but then they remember -- Mormons! -- and feel vaguely confused.

    In both cases, though, I don't think the mental barriers will remain for long.

  81. Overweight kids get bullied in school.

    The statistics on bullying are upsetting. In a recent national survey of overweight sixth-graders, 24 percent of the boys and 30 percent of the girls experienced daily teasing, bullying or rejection because of their size. The number doubles for overweight high school students with 58 percent of boys and 63 percent of girls experiencing daily teasing, bullying or rejection because of their size.

    Kids who are not overweight get bullied, also.

  82. I saw an ad on YouTube for some new TV show, ala Buffy the Vampire Slayer, about two obese teenage girls who fight monsters. I guess it’s supposed to promote a “body positive” message to girls. Is that really something that one ought to promote to the young? Obviously, the answer is no. You see a lot of seriously overweight kids nowadays. You never saw that when I was growing up. They are in for a lifetime of health problems, from diabetes to bad knees. What should be their best years will be spent with the physical limitations that typically plague 50 or 60 year olds.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Mr. Anon


    They are in for a lifetime of health problems, from diabetes to bad knees.
     
    And yet.....there is you.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  83. @R.G. Camara
    The Deep State wants you sexually confused, sexually promiscuous, heavily in debt, childless, working for corporate America, hating European culture and history, hating Jesus, and fat.

    Do the opposite and thrive.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @advancedatheist, @Philbert Desanex

    you forgot to include ‘permanently dependent on the medical/pharmaceutical cartel’

  84. @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    Excess weight tends to be downmarket. OTOH, it’s more common among Democratic Party mascots. So, the thing is to manufacture tropes and slogans which justify injuring people who laugh at Stacey Abrams (D-Diabetes) while allowing the bien pensants to trash Honey Boo Boo’s family.
     
    My take as well.

    Seems like we're seeing program where noticing or ridiculing obesity of any black woman is "racist". And perhaps any thought about the weight of any woman is "sexist".

    But a general "fat acceptance" push can't really take off because so many of the obese whites are deplorables. And for "good whites" their obesity is part of the package of their downscale declasseness.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    But a general “fat acceptance” push can’t really take off because so many of the obese whites are deplorables. And for “good whites” their obesity is part of the package of their downscale declasseness.

    Agreed. A similar situation exists with polygamy: the good whites would love to be seen approving of it when it’s practiced by Muslims/Africans/etc., but then they remember — Mormons! — and feel vaguely confused.

    In both cases, though, I don’t think the mental barriers will remain for long.

  85. anon[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    The first step- change your eating habits & to hell with junk food.

    Then, and only then, can we talk about other steps ....

    Replies: @anon

    The first step- change your eating habits & to hell with junk food.

    Then, and only then, can we talk about other steps ….

    There is such a surplus of cheap food, that proper eating has to be something worked at and trained, like exercise.

    Eating less, skipping snacks/meals is stressful and painful, just like exercise, weightlifting, running, are stressful and painful. You have to endure the stress, pain, and hunger pangs, like you would when you do physical exercise. Over time, you get better at eating less and less pain and hunger, just like you get in better shape and not so winded from running after training for a while.

  86. @BenjaminL
    Classic comment from "Theodora" at Heartiste:

    https://heartiste.org/2017/06/16/the-difference-between-fat-men-and-fat-chicks/

    I think that one big difference between female obesity and male obesity is this: while the health and aesthetics problems are common to both sexes, female obesity is totalitarian. Fat men don’t demand to be called Big Beautiful Boys. They don’t lie themselves that they are voluptuous, gorgeous and curvy. They don’t want to change the standards of beauty existing since the beginning of humanity. They don’t shame and bully thin people (“eat a sandwich!:), they don’t ask to vanity change the sizes of clothes, they don’t ask to erase the word “fat” from public conversations. Fat men usually deal with their problems individually and in silence, while fat women want to change society, dictionaries, standards, reality and human nature to ease the burden of their fatness, acting as true Stalinists in the process.

    That’s why the female obesity epidemic is more dangerous than a matter of health and aesthetics, and an affront not only to Beauty, but also to Truth, and well-deserving of the Shiv.
     

    Replies: @prosa123

    I think that one big difference between female obesity and male obesity is this: while the health and aesthetics problems are common to both sexes, female obesity is totalitarian.

    Health issues aren’t the same. Women tend to pack on extra pounds on their hips and rear ends, and as long as not too extreme it isn’t usually a major medical risk. Men usually add extra weight on their abdomens, where it can present significant health dangers.

  87. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for addressing another particularly salient social problem, Steve. You're right that Big Fat, so to speak, is now pretty powerful.

    I actually put on weight pretty easily, but throughout my adult life I've found it possible to keep it off. I think this is mostly because I live in Hong Kong, not the USA. Even though HK is, and has been for a long time, a food-obsessed city, there are still very few genuinely fat people here. And the differences are not just genetic. Although only 17% of Asian Americans are classified as obese, I noticed very quickly after moving here that you can often distinguish ABCs from Hong Kong Chinese -- especially girls and women -- at a glance. Although the ABCs may not be obese, they have a thickness/heftiness that Hong Kong females usually don't.

    So why is this? Four theories.

    First, most food here is still cooked from fresh ingredients, both at home and in restaurants. I don't know if studies have been done that show that processed food is more calorie-dense than food cooked from fresh ingredients, given how full it makes you feel, but I have my suspicions.

    Second, you'd think having shared dishes in the middle of the table instead of individual plates/portions would make it easier to overeat, because theoretically you can just keep on shoveling in whatever you like. In practice, however, I think the opposite occurs. For one thing, basic etiquette restrains an individual diner from picking up food overly frequently from any one dish; you have to be seen to be leaving plenty for others. Also, in a western meal, if you want just a little more of something, that means you get a second helping, which may well be another full serving. Here you can just pick up one more bite from the communal dish, and consider yourself done.

    Third, there is still an animus here against being fat. People will openly comment on others' weight in a way that is now almost unthinkable in the West. It's not very nice sometimes, but it does maintain a standard of what's normal/healthy.

    Fourth, most people here still don't have cars, and those who do have them don't use them all the time. This means there's a lot of casual walking here you can't avoid unless you're rich enough to have a car and a driver. This walking has to help also.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @NJ Transit Commuter, @TTSSYF, @anon

    Fourth, most people here still don’t have cars, and those who do have them don’t use them all the time. This means there’s a lot of casual walking here you can’t avoid unless you’re rich enough to have a car and a driver. This walking has to help also.

    I had a few months off between jobs recently and with the extra time starting walking a lot more, at least 10 K steps every day. Without any other change in diet or exercise, I got back down to what I weighed in high school. I cannot say this will work for everyone, but it was the easiest way I ever found to lose weight.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    I had a few months off between jobs recently and with the extra time starting walking a lot more, at least 10 K steps every day. Without any other change in diet or exercise, I got back down to what I weighed in high school.
     
    How much did you lose, and over what period of time?

    Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter

  88. @Keith Magnadoodleson
    I am a big fat pig. I need not to be. Despite the genetic component to my fattitufe, I wish to be mocked and shamed into slim.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob, @Veteran Aryan

    When things are hard and resources scarce, the ability to produce and retain fat is a wonderful genetic advantage to have. We just aren’t living in those times. At the moment…

  89. Anon[328] • Disclaimer says:

    Body weight is 0.8 heritable in adulthood. Since height is also 0.8 heritable, BMI (weight in kilos divided by the square of height in meters) is 0.8 heritable in adulthood. We’ve long known this from twin and adoption studies, and it was confirmed in the million n GWAS studies.

    On the other hand, male homosexuality is just north of 0.2, so it’s much less genetic than weight. We don’t treat that as a personal choice. (Admittedly, the “environment” of the womb and all the chemicals there may be a big influencer.) And IQ is only about 0.6: Why don’t those dumb people just get smarter!

    We all know people who have lost weight. Few of them keep it off for five years. But we have the sort of selective attention/memory that we have about our own gambling wins/losses. Literally two in three Americans is overweight or obese. Not a single one of them is pleased with that state of affairs. “It’s almost as if”™ fat was genetic and beyond our control, and the personality traits that make some fat people able lose weight are also genetic and beyond our control.

    But I do have to thank Steve for only rarely haranguing us with his no-pizza “I did it so can you” diet. I had to avoid my Atkins brother in law for years because of his officious proselytizing … before he got fat again.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    It's like the Flynn Effect: something can be heritable yet change over historical time.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @anon
    @Anon

    It's unlikely that something that highly heritable would change so drastically over less than a century, barring a huge selective advantage for fatness. Since the obese die earlier and presumably have fewer kids, what is the selective advantage for fatness?
    But a couple of generations ago almost everyone was thin or normal weight. The drastic change, particularly in America, must be due to environmental causes, probably sugar/highly processed, addiction-inducing foods made in a factory, but also less physically active lifestyles and perhaps hormone-altering chemicals. It's probably also epigenetic.
    People who are obsessive about exercising (devoted runners/hikers, cross-fitters, even the Covid Peloton faddists who stick with it) tend to stay relatively thin.

  90. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @advancedatheist


    BTW, I don’t understand how Dune has avoided cancellation. The novel assumes that eugenics works, that democracy doesn’t, that the common people need hierarchical political structures headed by aristocrats and allied with organized religions to keep them in line and give their lives meaning, and that women can find fulfillment in traditional roles as concubines and mothers.

     

    Actually, you could say much the same about the Harry Potter series. And look how beloved J K Rowling remains -- oh, wait . . . .

    Seriously, if Rowling had knuckled under to the trans-fanatics, her books would still be near-sacred texts to the wokerati. Deep down they love the idea that they're the magical, enlightened aristocrats, and the rest of us are deplorable muggles.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jim Don Bob

    Deep down they love the idea that they’re the magical, enlightened aristocrats, and the rest of us are deplorable muggles.

    Spot on.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @kaganovitch


    Deep down they love the idea that they’re the magical, enlightened aristocrats, and the rest of us are deplorable muggles.

    Spot on.
     
    Hey, you're getting kinda personal now...!
  91. I heard a joke, European people were slaves, how else can you explain that North Africans attained an IQ of 80.
    I don’t know if that is funny, I’m from Poland.

  92. @anon12
    I think the more app point of comparison is the tobacco war, not the trans war.

    Leftists demonized smokers as well as big tobacco. They made it impossible to smoke by banning it everywhere. Plus, the anti-smoking crusade explicitly said fighting tobacco is essential because of the health costs tobacco use imposes on society.

    Smoking is a non-essential and highly visible activity engaged in by a minority of people.

    Now the new health crisis is obesity. Except that no one will accept demonizing the fat, and it's impossible to ban eating, or even restrict it. And even though obesity is inflicting huge health care costs, no one is making that argument.

    Why the difference? Well, a ton of people need to lose weight, so good look attacking a near majority of the population. And people who are obese are incredibly defensive. People who smoke usually concede they need to quit. My impression from watching doctors is that they've given up on fighting obesity because it's too difficult to get people to lose weight, combined with people who are really defensive because they know they should lose weight and can't. Why piss off a patient you can't help?

    If you have a problem you can't fix, it's easy to start pretending it's not a problem.

    Replies: @Farenheit

    The campaign to beat back fat acceptance is going to need to take on many of the lessons learned from rolling back tobacco use, namely, a hundred cultural nudges to stay fit.

    Unfortunately, TPTB currently are shoving, not nudging, society in the wrong direction.

    This, like most things in American life, will get much worse before it starts to get better.

  93. Aren’t they more like sacred Hippos?

  94. @Calvin Hobbes
    @Harry Baldwin


    Hasn’t this already begun with black women, e.g., Lizzo, who will proudly pose for publicity shots in her bikini as if she were Kendall Jenner?
     
    I had never heard of Lizzo. Google found this for me, with LOTS of Lizzo bikini pictures:

    A Comprehensive Guide to Lizzo’s Hottest Swim Moments of All Time

    https://www.usmagazine.com/stylish/pictures/lizzos-bikini-body-sexy-swimsuit-style-pics/

    She’s grossly obese, but she has a sense of humor. Here’s the caption for one of her bikini pictures:

    “Big bitch bikini — my strings got lost — ya man got haveta dig em out like floss🤪,” the singer captioned her Instagram pic, rocking a neon green cheetah-print bikini from Adam Selman Sport.

    And in the picture you can’t see any evidence of the bikini bottom. More than the strings got lost!

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    Lizzo got criticizedo by fans for being “fatphobic” and ‘giving in to diet culture’ after adopting a vegan diet and losing 50 lbs:

    https://www.allaboutlaughs.com/lizzo-criticized-after-successfully-completing-10-day-detox-and-losing-weight-fans-claims-shes-profiting-off-people-disliking-themselves/

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    @Lockean Proviso

    Same thing happened with Adele fans when she lost 100lbs. It's nuts that people would be angry at someone for taking their health seriously and doing something to improve it.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/rebel-wilson-adele-losing-weight-fans-angry-betrayed-192915875.html

  95. Anonymous[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Fourth, most people here still don’t have cars, and those who do have them don’t use them all the time. This means there’s a lot of casual walking here you can’t avoid unless you’re rich enough to have a car and a driver. This walking has to help also.
     
    I had a few months off between jobs recently and with the extra time starting walking a lot more, at least 10 K steps every day. Without any other change in diet or exercise, I got back down to what I weighed in high school. I cannot say this will work for everyone, but it was the easiest way I ever found to lose weight.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I had a few months off between jobs recently and with the extra time starting walking a lot more, at least 10 K steps every day. Without any other change in diet or exercise, I got back down to what I weighed in high school.

    How much did you lose, and over what period of time?

    • Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Anonymous

    Around 15 lbs over 2 months? I always keep myself in reasonable shape. When I was walking a lot, losing this weight required no specific effort other than the walking. And that wasn’t really difficult, except for needing to carve out 2 hours a day.

    When I started working again, and got slack about waking every day, within 1-2 months I gained back 10 lbs. So I’m pretty confident that 10 k steps everyday is an effective and easy way to stay trim, at least for me.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  96. “Unlike the unvaccinated, who are widely seen as worthy of hate and unlikely to ever be powerful enough to get revenge”

    Typically when Sailer is proved utterly wrong or a story is dissonant to his narratives (e.g., white man commits mass murder), he ignores the matter completely. Yet with the virus hoax, he can’t let it go and snipes cuntily in articles unrelated to the hoax.

    2020 covid dead: 300,000 pre clotshot
    2021 covid dead: 550,000 post clotshot

    Conclusion: no one’s vaccinated because there is no covid vaccine.

    Only knuckleheads take Sailer seriously anymore. The virus hoax and the clotshots destroyed his already dotarding mind.

    • Replies: @Frank G
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Scaredy Steve has to remain a pro-vax COVID cultist because he desperately wants to be hired as a writer for a reputable online journal. Not gonna happen!

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    You could try different media.

    https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/56c08ecd1800006f0080becf.jpeg

    , @Occasional lurker
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Go take a statistic class and learn how to tease out causal relationships in medicine. Your statistic is as convincing as saying that watching more TV is life-lengthening. There is a good correlation of the trends of the national averages of hours spent TV watching and life expectancy over decades in the US, yet there is no causal relationship, and on the individual level, there is even an inverse correlation (though that isn't causal either). All data from all countries show that all other risk factors being equal, the unvaccinated have a far, far greater risk of dying than the vaccinated, and at least pre-Omicron they also had a vastly higher risk of contracting COVID.

  97. @Hypnotoad666
    @R.G. Camara


    The Deep State wants you sexually confused, sexually promiscuous, heavily in debt, childless, working for corporate America, hating European culture and history, hating Jesus, and fat.
     
    Four more items and you will have a 12-step globohomo detox program.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Lockean Proviso, @James N. Kennett

    Four more items and you will have a 12-step globohomo detox program.

    – addicted to something
    – ignorant
    – illiterate/ not reading books and longer articles
    – watching a lot of television

  98. @Hypnotoad666
    The average black woman is 5'4" and 186 lbs. Yikes! That used to be considered a hefty weight for an athletic 6'0 man. I knew Americans were fat but those statistics are almost unbelievable. And whites are hardly any better.

    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80's and haven't stopped is a legitimate mystery. It's not like people didn't enjoy eating before that. So something more than generalized gluttony seems to be going on. I've heard different theories about the effects of changes in gut biomes, the ubiquity of high fructose corn syrup, vegetable cooking oils, food allergy issues, etc. But nobody really seems to have a clue.

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anon12, @Antiwar7, @PaceLaw, @Redneck farmer, @Almost Missouri, @Thea, @Bill Jones

    Hey, Chris Rock called this decades ago. Apparently, for some unknown reason, obese black women seem to have the most confidence and high self-esteem, pretty much just as Steve described the smug 250-pound plus black models in recent television commercials. I’m sure this video will be taken down on YouTube due to complaints of fat shaming. Sigh….

    • LOL: Hypnotoad666
  99. @Mr. Anon
    I saw an ad on YouTube for some new TV show, ala Buffy the Vampire Slayer, about two obese teenage girls who fight monsters. I guess it's supposed to promote a "body positive" message to girls. Is that really something that one ought to promote to the young? Obviously, the answer is no. You see a lot of seriously overweight kids nowadays. You never saw that when I was growing up. They are in for a lifetime of health problems, from diabetes to bad knees. What should be their best years will be spent with the physical limitations that typically plague 50 or 60 year olds.

    Replies: @Thomm

    They are in for a lifetime of health problems, from diabetes to bad knees.

    And yet…..there is you.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Thomm


    And yet…..there is you.
     
    Apparently there is you too. Not that anybody gives a solitary damn what a vacuous nobody like you thinks.
  100. @Anon
    TLC has a lot of popular reality shows about extremely fat people like "My 600 lb Life" and "The 1,000 lb Sisters.". They're basically modern day freak shows.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEvcqp-Iv0Q

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Chrisnonymous

    I watched a few minutes of that, and had to stop. It’s awful. One of the sisters actually has a substantial roll of fat on her forehead. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.

    Shows like that one reward the viewer’s unhealthy prurient fascination, and at the same time convince her (most of the time it’s a her, I guess) that there’s always somebody else out there who’s really fat, much fatter than me, so I’m still okay.

  101. @The Last Real Calvinist
    As a follow-up to my post above: although I stressed that Cantonese food is generally cooked from fresh ingredients, that doesn't mean it's some kind of super-healthy paleo-keto wonder diet.

    Lots of people here start the day by eating nauseatingly sweet buns and pastries produced by local bakeries, or by tucking into big steaming bowls of carb-n-chemicals instant noodles. And speaking of carbs, it still amazes me to see the buckets of white rice and platters of heavy noodles that get put away here by people who look almost emaciated to western eyes.

    Chinese cooking also uses plenty of oil. I recall a lunchtime conversation with some work colleagues years ago. One of them, an English woman, was haranguing the table with complaints about how horrible and 'greasy' the local Chinese food was. She claimed her delicate constitution simply couldn't tolerate it, and she described at great length the efforts she had to make to obtain and prepare western dishes of exemplary purity and healthiness. The only thing was, this woman must have weighed in at close to two bills, while the Chinese women at the table were uniformly slim. I could pretty much guess what they were thinking.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @nebulafox

    Hong Kong also has high meat consumption, reportedly…
    https://roguehealthandfitness.com/meat-saturated-fat-and-long-life/

    I lived on the peninsula (but not in The Peninsula!) for a month. I walked quite a bit, and I basically only ate one meal per day, but I was very comfortable all the time. I lost weight, and I enjoyed everything I ate in Hong Kong. Then my wife and I vacationed there (this time in The Peninsula) just before the protests and crackdowns got under way. Again, all the food was great, and I think we were never hungry, but again we walked a lot.

  102. @Anon
    TLC has a lot of popular reality shows about extremely fat people like "My 600 lb Life" and "The 1,000 lb Sisters.". They're basically modern day freak shows.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEvcqp-Iv0Q

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Chrisnonymous

    The funny thing is that Japan also has TV shows that feature girls who eat huge quantities of food, but the Japanese girls are super thin and petite. The first such I saw was pre-pandemic. This tiny girl traveled around Spain eating the most authentic paellas, but in each place she would eat an entire paella by herself. Then she was traveling around eating entire pizzas and passing some “big steak” free-if-you-can-finish challenges in the USA. Amazing.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Chrisnonymous

    Japanese men too--Takeru Kobayashi!

    Replies: @anon

  103. @Bill Jones
    Never let it be said that the Belgians never lead the world,

    This is their Health Minister.

    https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article19604897.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/maggie-de-block-20-stone-minister-public-health-405021

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Never let it be said that the Belgians never lead the world

    They invented “French” fries!

    Brussels is seriously weird. The top four surnames in the city– actually, “region”– are from the Senegambian language of Fula. The fifth is the ubiquitous Nguyễn, and the tenth Benali, i.e., “son of Ali”.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_common_surnames_in_Europe#Belgium

    One, Diallo, is #36 nationwide. It’s the only one of these in the top 300 in either Flanders or Wallonia.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Reg Cæsar

    How can one not have doubts about a Country comprised of Flems and Walloons?

    The should import a new, better people, That'll fix it.



    One of my grandfathers, upon being conscripted in The War to End All Wars, was back in Liverpool 6 weeks later.
    He said he’d never met a Belgian and liked the Germans more than the French. He didn’t think his participation was necessary. I don't think that would have changed, had he been privileged to know a Belgian.

    Replies: @AKAHorace

  104. Stacy Abrams will be put in charge with a new government office,

  105. @Anon
    Body weight is 0.8 heritable in adulthood. Since height is also 0.8 heritable, BMI (weight in kilos divided by the square of height in meters) is 0.8 heritable in adulthood. We've long known this from twin and adoption studies, and it was confirmed in the million n GWAS studies.

    On the other hand, male homosexuality is just north of 0.2, so it's much less genetic than weight. We don't treat that as a personal choice. (Admittedly, the "environment" of the womb and all the chemicals there may be a big influencer.) And IQ is only about 0.6: Why don't those dumb people just get smarter!

    We all know people who have lost weight. Few of them keep it off for five years. But we have the sort of selective attention/memory that we have about our own gambling wins/losses. Literally two in three Americans is overweight or obese. Not a single one of them is pleased with that state of affairs. "It's almost as if"™ fat was genetic and beyond our control, and the personality traits that make some fat people able lose weight are also genetic and beyond our control.

    But I do have to thank Steve for only rarely haranguing us with his no-pizza "I did it so can you" diet. I had to avoid my Atkins brother in law for years because of his officious proselytizing ... before he got fat again.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon

    It’s like the Flynn Effect: something can be heritable yet change over historical time.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    It’s like the Flynn Effect: something can be heritable yet change over historical time.
     
    Exactly:

    1. Forty years ago one-third of the U.S. population was overweight or obese. Today it's two-thirds. The environment has changed; it's more "obesogenic." More fast food outlets, less home cooking, more parents are fat and model fat eating patterns, schools have vending machines, and so on. There're so many changes that there is no going back. One third of the 2020 population has the willpower to avoid getting fat if they lived in 1980, but not in 2020. On third are doomed to be fat in any modern society. And one third are perhaps blessed to be thin in any realistically conceivable environment.

    2. The Flynn Effect made blacks somewhat smarter while simultaneously making whites smarter in proportion. There's no catching up happening (if you ignore a couple of outlier studies, Flynn, et al., Turkheimer). You can make everyone smarter over time, but not just one subset of the population. They're still trying, by eliminating gifted and AP and the SAT. But those pesky smart kids just don't cooperate in dumbing themselves down.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  106. “But it’s not their fault. It”s a disease. They’re addicted to food.” One of the worst things to happen was the disease concept of addiction. Of course there’s addiction with substances. But that comes after the compulsive behavior which results in physical addiction. Over-eating is not a disease, it’s poor self control. Just like getting drunk is poor self control. The big difference is alcohol abuse can lead to a physical addiction. Over-eating gets one fat. You’re not addicted, you just have a problem putting down the fork.

    People say they”re addicted to their phones or social media. They probably were never taught about delaying gratification. That’s why they constantly check their phones, not because they’re addicted.

    The disease concept can be a way to absolve oneself from taking responsibility. It also fills the coffers of “recovery” centers who scarf up those insurance dollars and then send you to a 12 step program where you are taught to identify as an addicted person who is powerless and will remain so until death unless you keep coming to meetings with other folks who are just as powerless as you are.

  107. @Chrisnonymous
    @Anon

    The funny thing is that Japan also has TV shows that feature girls who eat huge quantities of food, but the Japanese girls are super thin and petite. The first such I saw was pre-pandemic. This tiny girl traveled around Spain eating the most authentic paellas, but in each place she would eat an entire paella by herself. Then she was traveling around eating entire pizzas and passing some "big steak" free-if-you-can-finish challenges in the USA. Amazing.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Japanese men too–Takeru Kobayashi!

    • Replies: @anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    Japanese eat very little sugar, which is especially fattening to many folks. The Western, particularly American, sugar industry has succeeded in increasing sugar consumption many-fold over the last century and a half - but especially in the last 50 years - which paralleled the rise in diabetes and overweight.
    Someone brought up the sumo wrestlers. Many of the top Sumos are not Japanese but Mongolians or other foreigners. Sumos work very hard at eating immense amounts of food and training hard, which builds a lot of muscle under all that fat. In general, fat people have more muscle and denser bones, because they have to, to carry all that weight. Muscle weighs more than fat, which partly explains why black American women weigh so much more - they have more muscle in addition to fat, due to both overeating/overweight and a natural predisposition for fast-twitch muscle, higher bone density and testosterore in West Africans.
    It's why BMI is so misleading - it doesn't take into account body composition at all, and also scales poorly with height. The NFL is full of high-BMI dudes who can outsprint and outjump all the trim guys on this forum despite weighing 300+ lbs.

    Replies: @Anon

  108. @Anonymous
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    I had a few months off between jobs recently and with the extra time starting walking a lot more, at least 10 K steps every day. Without any other change in diet or exercise, I got back down to what I weighed in high school.
     
    How much did you lose, and over what period of time?

    Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter

    Around 15 lbs over 2 months? I always keep myself in reasonable shape. When I was walking a lot, losing this weight required no specific effort other than the walking. And that wasn’t really difficult, except for needing to carve out 2 hours a day.

    When I started working again, and got slack about waking every day, within 1-2 months I gained back 10 lbs. So I’m pretty confident that 10 k steps everyday is an effective and easy way to stay trim, at least for me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Around 15 lbs over 2 months? I always keep myself in reasonable shape. When I was walking a lot, losing this weight required no specific effort other than the walking. And that wasn’t really difficult, except for needing to carve out 2 hours a day.
     
    Thank you. Would you say it took 2 hours/day of waking to drop that much weight. 2 hours seems like a lot!

    Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter

  109. @Thomm
    @Mr. Anon


    They are in for a lifetime of health problems, from diabetes to bad knees.
     
    And yet.....there is you.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    And yet…..there is you.

    Apparently there is you too. Not that anybody gives a solitary damn what a vacuous nobody like you thinks.

  110. @Bernard
    This one I’m looking forward to. When I next visit my doctor and am once again admonished to shed that extra 20, my next stop will be to my lawyer’s office where I will file suit for fat shaming.

    Sounds like an easy six figures to me.

    Replies: @Cortes

    Justice is gonna need a bigger set of scales.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Cortes

    OK that was funny.

    I'm stealing that.

  111. Anonymous[867] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Anonymous

    Around 15 lbs over 2 months? I always keep myself in reasonable shape. When I was walking a lot, losing this weight required no specific effort other than the walking. And that wasn’t really difficult, except for needing to carve out 2 hours a day.

    When I started working again, and got slack about waking every day, within 1-2 months I gained back 10 lbs. So I’m pretty confident that 10 k steps everyday is an effective and easy way to stay trim, at least for me.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Around 15 lbs over 2 months? I always keep myself in reasonable shape. When I was walking a lot, losing this weight required no specific effort other than the walking. And that wasn’t really difficult, except for needing to carve out 2 hours a day.

    Thank you. Would you say it took 2 hours/day of waking to drop that much weight. 2 hours seems like a lot!

    • Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Anonymous

    The distance I walked was probably about 5-6 miles a day. For a slow runner like me that’s an hour of jogging. Walking took longer but was a lot easier!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Cortes

  112. @Colin Wright
    @Harry Baldwin

    'Hasn’t this already begun with black women, e.g., Lizzo, who will proudly pose for publicity shots in her bikini as if she were Kendall Jenner?'

    Yeah -- but that may have more to do with the special immunity conferred on black women. Of course they can be the most obvious blubber monsters. That goes without saying -- in fact, you definitely better not say anything.

    Replies: @Shel100

    As Stacey Abrams said she’s just big boned.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Shel100

    'As Stacey Abrams said she’s just big boned.'

    Did she really say that? Tell me it's so...

  113. @advancedatheist
    @R.G. Camara

    I don't "hate Jesus." I just don't see the point of the whole Jesus story. Christians could have left well enough alone by promoting Jesus as an admirable moral teacher, though not one to my taste. But, no, they had to go full woo-woo by turning him into the judge of the dead in the afterlife, which makes him sound like Pinhead in those dumb Hellraiser movies.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @TTSSYF, @Luke Lea

    Your denial of the Truth is noted, little one.

    Trite, though. Perhaps your fellow little 14-year-olds can come up with some more original lies to spew?

  114. @Anonymous
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Around 15 lbs over 2 months? I always keep myself in reasonable shape. When I was walking a lot, losing this weight required no specific effort other than the walking. And that wasn’t really difficult, except for needing to carve out 2 hours a day.
     
    Thank you. Would you say it took 2 hours/day of waking to drop that much weight. 2 hours seems like a lot!

    Replies: @NJ Transit Commuter

    The distance I walked was probably about 5-6 miles a day. For a slow runner like me that’s an hour of jogging. Walking took longer but was a lot easier!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Thank you!

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    5-6 miles burns a lot of calories.

    In the half of the year it's cool enough in HK to walk vigorously outdoors, I figure I put in 3-5 miles a day, which is a combination of the walking I need to do as part of my commute to and from work, plus a 40-50 minute walk during my lunchtime. I also hike on weekends.

    In the summers, though, it's impossible to walk for more than few minutes here without decomposing into a sweaty wreck, so my mileage goes way down. I compensate by doing more workouts of other types, but also by consciously cutting down the amount I eat (and drink). That's the hard part.

    , @Cortes
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I used to walk around 5/6 miles per day and could eat to my heart’s content. A more sedentary life allows the blubber to accumulate easily. Building the walking back up again is a slog, but needs must. Except in icy weather.

  115. @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Anonymous

    The distance I walked was probably about 5-6 miles a day. For a slow runner like me that’s an hour of jogging. Walking took longer but was a lot easier!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Cortes

    Thank you!

  116. @Mike Tre
    @Hypnotoad666

    The mid/late 80's is when we saw the start of the complete vilification of tobacco and by association nicotine. Nicotine is an appetite suppressant, so it seems plausible that as people stopped smoking in large numbers they started eating more.

    Home video game consoles also took off in the mid/late 80's, so kids' outside playtime was likely drastically reduced as they sat inside playing Nintendo, Sega, etc.

    I'm sure there are other factors as well.

    Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Lockean Proviso, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Up2Drew

    Another thing in the late 80s was that globalization started to erode prosperity in the rust belt and mill towns, so people losing jobs and pay were stressed and losing hopes for the future. Some of them probably responded with chronic stress eating and listlessness, getting fatter than when they were active in a thriving community.

    Once whatever factors started to contribute to rises in obesity, it can become the new normal. People become less likely to think of themselves as fat if their family and peers are getting fatter as well.

    https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/features/is-fat-the-new-normal

    “It’s quite clear that people are changing their idea of what an acceptable body size is,” says Nicholas Christakis, MD, PhD, of Harvard Medical School. As the average body weight goes up, there’s more acceptance of heavier body types. This, in turn, clears the path for even more people to put on weight, says Christakis, who is the co-author of Connected: The Surprising Power of Our Social Networks and How They Change Lives.

  117. @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Anonymous

    The distance I walked was probably about 5-6 miles a day. For a slow runner like me that’s an hour of jogging. Walking took longer but was a lot easier!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Cortes

    5-6 miles burns a lot of calories.

    In the half of the year it’s cool enough in HK to walk vigorously outdoors, I figure I put in 3-5 miles a day, which is a combination of the walking I need to do as part of my commute to and from work, plus a 40-50 minute walk during my lunchtime. I also hike on weekends.

    In the summers, though, it’s impossible to walk for more than few minutes here without decomposing into a sweaty wreck, so my mileage goes way down. I compensate by doing more workouts of other types, but also by consciously cutting down the amount I eat (and drink). That’s the hard part.

  118. @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Anonymous

    The distance I walked was probably about 5-6 miles a day. For a slow runner like me that’s an hour of jogging. Walking took longer but was a lot easier!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Cortes

    I used to walk around 5/6 miles per day and could eat to my heart’s content. A more sedentary life allows the blubber to accumulate easily. Building the walking back up again is a slog, but needs must. Except in icy weather.

  119. Anonymous[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    @Hypnotoad666

    The mid/late 80's is when we saw the start of the complete vilification of tobacco and by association nicotine. Nicotine is an appetite suppressant, so it seems plausible that as people stopped smoking in large numbers they started eating more.

    Home video game consoles also took off in the mid/late 80's, so kids' outside playtime was likely drastically reduced as they sat inside playing Nintendo, Sega, etc.

    I'm sure there are other factors as well.

    Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Lockean Proviso, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Up2Drew

    The mid/late 80’s is when we saw the start of the complete vilification of tobacco and by association nicotine.

    I suspect the rise in allergies is also due to this. Growing up in a smoke-filled home may cause other problems, but an oversensitive constitution won’t be one of them.

  120. … tended to ardently adopt Foucaultian social constructionism

    If “Foucault” rhymes with “crow,” what does “Foucaultian” rhyme with?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous

    Ocean?

  121. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Unlike the unvaccinated, who are widely seen as worthy of hate and unlikely to ever be powerful enough to get revenge"

    Typically when Sailer is proved utterly wrong or a story is dissonant to his narratives (e.g., white man commits mass murder), he ignores the matter completely. Yet with the virus hoax, he can't let it go and snipes cuntily in articles unrelated to the hoax.

    2020 covid dead: 300,000 pre clotshot
    2021 covid dead: 550,000 post clotshot

    Conclusion: no one's vaccinated because there is no covid vaccine.

    Only knuckleheads take Sailer seriously anymore. The virus hoax and the clotshots destroyed his already dotarding mind.

    Replies: @Frank G, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Occasional lurker

    Scaredy Steve has to remain a pro-vax COVID cultist because he desperately wants to be hired as a writer for a reputable online journal. Not gonna happen!

  122. As ever, that late great, celebrated and much loved English comedian, Les Dawson, was ahead of the curve in this matter with his ‘Roly Poly’ dance troupe.

  123. @Mike Tre
    @Hypnotoad666

    The mid/late 80's is when we saw the start of the complete vilification of tobacco and by association nicotine. Nicotine is an appetite suppressant, so it seems plausible that as people stopped smoking in large numbers they started eating more.

    Home video game consoles also took off in the mid/late 80's, so kids' outside playtime was likely drastically reduced as they sat inside playing Nintendo, Sega, etc.

    I'm sure there are other factors as well.

    Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Lockean Proviso, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Up2Drew

    Put simply, the obese simply *cannot* and do not perform consistent hard physical labor for a living.
    Never mind all the nonsense, that’s your answer right there.

  124. Anon[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    It's like the Flynn Effect: something can be heritable yet change over historical time.

    Replies: @Anon

    It’s like the Flynn Effect: something can be heritable yet change over historical time.

    Exactly:

    1. Forty years ago one-third of the U.S. population was overweight or obese. Today it’s two-thirds. The environment has changed; it’s more “obesogenic.” More fast food outlets, less home cooking, more parents are fat and model fat eating patterns, schools have vending machines, and so on. There’re so many changes that there is no going back. One third of the 2020 population has the willpower to avoid getting fat if they lived in 1980, but not in 2020. On third are doomed to be fat in any modern society. And one third are perhaps blessed to be thin in any realistically conceivable environment.

    2. The Flynn Effect made blacks somewhat smarter while simultaneously making whites smarter in proportion. There’s no catching up happening (if you ignore a couple of outlier studies, Flynn, et al., Turkheimer). You can make everyone smarter over time, but not just one subset of the population. They’re still trying, by eliminating gifted and AP and the SAT. But those pesky smart kids just don’t cooperate in dumbing themselves down.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Anon

    I'm fat. I was fat as a kid, fat as a teenager, fat as an adult. Losing weight is not my core competency. Presumably I'm doing something wrong.

    People offer me free unsolicited advice all the time. I value it in accordance with the price that I pay for it.

    Fortunately, I know lots of thin people who are no happier than I am.

    I know several people who were once fat and are now thin who are still dysfunctional and miserable. I derive grim satisfaction from listening to their tales of woe. They busted their asses to lose the lard and they're still screwed up.

    But, yeah, I do need to reduce.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

  125. @Hypnotoad666
    The average black woman is 5'4" and 186 lbs. Yikes! That used to be considered a hefty weight for an athletic 6'0 man. I knew Americans were fat but those statistics are almost unbelievable. And whites are hardly any better.

    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80's and haven't stopped is a legitimate mystery. It's not like people didn't enjoy eating before that. So something more than generalized gluttony seems to be going on. I've heard different theories about the effects of changes in gut biomes, the ubiquity of high fructose corn syrup, vegetable cooking oils, food allergy issues, etc. But nobody really seems to have a clue.

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anon12, @Antiwar7, @PaceLaw, @Redneck farmer, @Almost Missouri, @Thea, @Bill Jones

    Air conditioning. You don’t use as many calories when it’s cold. You don’t have your appetite suppressed by heat when it’s hot.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Redneck farmer

    You use a lot more calories to maintain core temperature when it's cold. That's how Michael Phelps could eat 12,0000 kC a day and stay lean. It's not just the swimming, it's maintaining core temperature in the water (which is conducts heat away from the body much more efficiently than air), even 82F pool water.

    , @Feryl
    @Redneck farmer

    Air conditioning also encourages people to stay inside during the warmer months of the year, obesity seemed to rise a great deal in the 90's when AC became commonplace all over the US.

  126. @Joe S.Walker
    Not off topic: Google "bridget fonda daily mail".

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Farenheit, @Rob, @Bill Jones

    Wow, did she piss off some anti-aging guru in Hollywood? Maybe HW doesn’t have fountains of youth. It’s just full of people who have really good genes for aging well because the ones who don’t wash out? Obv they take care of themselves and get good cosmetic surgery.

    But there is only so much cosmetic surgeons can do. Anyone remember the reality-ish show called something like “The Great Makeover”? People on it looked better after the ton of surgery, but not like going from being threes to nines. I wonder what they’d have looked like at 5, 10, etc year follow-ups.

    I can imagine that hot people with still-attractive parents were more likely to give acting or modeling (or escorting) a go if their parents were still really attractive than if they were the swan in a family of ugly ducklings.

  127. “The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there”

    1969.

    Don’t want to be a fat man,
    people would think that I was
    just good fun.
    Would rather be a thin man,
    I am so glad to go on being one.
    Too much to carry around with you,
    no chance of finding a woman who
    will love you in the morning and all the night time too.

    Don’t want to be a fat man,
    have not the patience to ignore all that.
    Hate to admit to myself half of my problems
    came from being fat.
    Won’t waste my time feeling sorry for him,
    I’ve seen the other side through being thin.
    Roll us both down a mountain
    and I’m sure the fat man would win.

    • Thanks: Cortes
    • Replies: @Cortes
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There were at least four outstanding tracks on that album. Thanks for posting this.

  128. @Dutch Boy
    Tucker Carlson had a story a bit ago about dietitians against dieting and fitness instructors against fitness (he cited a couple of stories on NPR as examples). It is no joke. A family member suffering from obesity and depression was advised by a consulting dietitian not to worry about weight as one can be healthy at any weight. A psychologist concurred with that assessment. Apparently, this is a new ideological paradigm that seeks to affirm obesity as normal and healthy. Eventually, the physicians who are counseling patients to lose weight will be set straight by the dietitian community and embrace fatness.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    dietitians against dieting and fitness instructors against fitness … . A family member suffering from obesity and depression was advised by a consulting dietitian not to worry about weight as one can be healthy at any weight. A psychologist concurred with that assessment. Apparently, this is a new ideological paradigm … .

    Add to that Luc Sante’s therapist who immediately upon hearing about his heretofore completely unmentioned desire to become woman, gave

    her quick and unsurprised assent. “It makes sense,” she told me. “It sounds like a good idea.” In the four or five years I’d been seeing her, I had never broached any mention of gender.

    Besides that the new ideological paradigm in the Health Sciences is simply “whatever”, you would think that it might occur to these “professionals” that when your professional advice consists of automatically issuing the equivalent of thumbs-up emoticons, there’s an app programmed by Bangladeshis that can go that job better, faster and cheaper than you can.

    Hey, but is that app Board Certified?!

    Well, after some VCs do a deal with a Board in a more biddable jurisdiction, it might be…

  129. @Hypnotoad666
    The average black woman is 5'4" and 186 lbs. Yikes! That used to be considered a hefty weight for an athletic 6'0 man. I knew Americans were fat but those statistics are almost unbelievable. And whites are hardly any better.

    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80's and haven't stopped is a legitimate mystery. It's not like people didn't enjoy eating before that. So something more than generalized gluttony seems to be going on. I've heard different theories about the effects of changes in gut biomes, the ubiquity of high fructose corn syrup, vegetable cooking oils, food allergy issues, etc. But nobody really seems to have a clue.

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anon12, @Antiwar7, @PaceLaw, @Redneck farmer, @Almost Missouri, @Thea, @Bill Jones

    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80’s and haven’t stopped is a legitimate mystery.

    Agree, but an answer may be emerging.

    http://achemicalhunger.com/

    It is unusually well written, but not short. [Spoilers below the MORE tag.]

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.

    Haha, yeah, one of the lessons of the last few years is that those useless f**ks in government will never do anything good. Fortunately, the Chemical Hunger authors did their job for them. For free.

    ↓ SPOILERS ↓

    They observe that

    • the obesity epidemic was a historically abrupt shift (they date it to the 1970s, but YMMV)
    • it’s happening everywhere on earth, just not at the same speed
    • the obesity epidemic is nowhere abating, it’s everywhere getting worse
    • to the extent that diet was different pre-obesity epidemic, it was worse
    • it’s happening in lab animals with controlled diets, and in wild animals
    • it seems to be happening slower at higher elevations
    • dieting has very little effect

    From this they conclude that

    [spoilers below the MORE tag]

    environmental contaminants are involved.

    But the environment is big—literally global, and contaminants are many, so which one(s) to blame?

    After a lot detective work (which is what makes reading their science work feel more like reading a real life detective story), they provisionally indict

    [spoilers below the MORE tag]

    • livestock antibiotics
    • PFAS
    • lithium (a more widespread chemical than you probably realize)

    • Thanks: Emil Nikola Richard
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Almost Missouri

    Dang! Script failure of nested MORE tags. But I could swear I've seen that used successfully before.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Almost Missouri

    AM -- That article is a good find. It is long, and I am just starting into it, but the first "Mysteries" section is worth the effort already. I hadn't ever heard the thing about animal obesity and that is freaking me out. WTF. It's like there is a mysterious forcefield of fat enveloping the whole Earth.


    Mystery 5: Lab Animals and Wild Animals

    Humans aren’t the only ones who are growing more obese — lab animals and even wild animals are becoming more obese as well. Primates and rodents living in research colonies, feral rodents living in our cities, and domestic pets like dogs and cats are all steadily getting fatter and fatter. This can’t be attributed to changes in what they eat, because lab animals live in contained environments with highly controlled diets. They’re being fed the same foods as always, but for some reason, they’re getting fatter.

    This seems to be true everywhere you look. Our pets may eat scraps from the table, but why would zoo animals, being fed by professionals, also be getting fatter? Even horses are becoming more obese. This is all very strange, and none of it fits with the normal explanations for the obesity epidemic. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-part-i-mysteries/
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Almost Missouri

  130. @Jmaie
    @Altai


    Though I do remember this clip from an African-American woman in Japan complaining about a lack of ‘diversity’ of body shapes and sizes in Japan and how the less polite bluntness of Japanese people on commenting on her weight.
     
    They weren't really treating her a second class because of her weight...

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Ha, ha, yeah those wily Japanese were just saying, “You’re brack!” Sounds like fat.

  131. @Cortes
    @Bernard

    Justice is gonna need a bigger set of scales.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    OK that was funny.

    I’m stealing that.

  132. @Anonymous

    ... tended to ardently adopt Foucaultian social constructionism
     
    If "Foucault" rhymes with "crow," what does "Foucaultian" rhyme with?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Ocean?

  133. Will the Fat Become the Next Identity Politics Sacred Cow?

    I see what you did there.

  134. @Almost Missouri
    @Hypnotoad666


    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80’s and haven’t stopped is a legitimate mystery.
     
    Agree, but an answer may be emerging.

    http://achemicalhunger.com/

    It is unusually well written, but not short. [Spoilers below the MORE tag.]

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.
     
    Haha, yeah, one of the lessons of the last few years is that those useless f**ks in government will never do anything good. Fortunately, the Chemical Hunger authors did their job for them. For free.

    ↓ SPOILERS ↓



    They observe that

    • the obesity epidemic was a historically abrupt shift (they date it to the 1970s, but YMMV)
    • it's happening everywhere on earth, just not at the same speed
    • the obesity epidemic is nowhere abating, it's everywhere getting worse
    • to the extent that diet was different pre-obesity epidemic, it was worse
    • it's happening in lab animals with controlled diets, and in wild animals
    • it seems to be happening slower at higher elevations
    • dieting has very little effect

    From this they conclude that

    [spoilers below the MORE tag]



    environmental contaminants are involved.

    But the environment is big—literally global, and contaminants are many, so which one(s) to blame?

    After a lot detective work (which is what makes reading their science work feel more like reading a real life detective story), they provisionally indict

    [spoilers below the MORE tag]



    • livestock antibiotics
    • PFAS
    • lithium (a more widespread chemical than you probably realize)

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666

    Dang! Script failure of nested MORE tags. But I could swear I’ve seen that used successfully before.

  135. @Joe Magarac
    Yeah. Critical Fat Theory.

    Side note: Joe Biden ave stated that the next Supreme Court pick will be a black woman.

    But will she be a fat black woman? { smirk }

    Replies: @raga10, @Buffalo Joe, @mmack

    And sassy? Don’t forget sassy 💁🏻‍♀️.

  136. @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @Mike Tre

    Good point about nicotine.
    In the long run, I wonder who is healthier : thin smokers or morbidly obese non-smokers?

    Replies: @TTSSYF

    Would you rather drown or be stabbed to death?

  137. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for addressing another particularly salient social problem, Steve. You're right that Big Fat, so to speak, is now pretty powerful.

    I actually put on weight pretty easily, but throughout my adult life I've found it possible to keep it off. I think this is mostly because I live in Hong Kong, not the USA. Even though HK is, and has been for a long time, a food-obsessed city, there are still very few genuinely fat people here. And the differences are not just genetic. Although only 17% of Asian Americans are classified as obese, I noticed very quickly after moving here that you can often distinguish ABCs from Hong Kong Chinese -- especially girls and women -- at a glance. Although the ABCs may not be obese, they have a thickness/heftiness that Hong Kong females usually don't.

    So why is this? Four theories.

    First, most food here is still cooked from fresh ingredients, both at home and in restaurants. I don't know if studies have been done that show that processed food is more calorie-dense than food cooked from fresh ingredients, given how full it makes you feel, but I have my suspicions.

    Second, you'd think having shared dishes in the middle of the table instead of individual plates/portions would make it easier to overeat, because theoretically you can just keep on shoveling in whatever you like. In practice, however, I think the opposite occurs. For one thing, basic etiquette restrains an individual diner from picking up food overly frequently from any one dish; you have to be seen to be leaving plenty for others. Also, in a western meal, if you want just a little more of something, that means you get a second helping, which may well be another full serving. Here you can just pick up one more bite from the communal dish, and consider yourself done.

    Third, there is still an animus here against being fat. People will openly comment on others' weight in a way that is now almost unthinkable in the West. It's not very nice sometimes, but it does maintain a standard of what's normal/healthy.

    Fourth, most people here still don't have cars, and those who do have them don't use them all the time. This means there's a lot of casual walking here you can't avoid unless you're rich enough to have a car and a driver. This walking has to help also.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @NJ Transit Commuter, @TTSSYF, @anon

    That’s absolutely true about walking. When I lived in Germany, I walked everywhere and loved it (and lost weight that I really couldn’t afford to lose). I tried to keep it up when I came back to the U.S. but found it impossible in the big metropolitan area where I lived. Nevertheless, many years later, I weigh the same as I did in college (124 lbs), and for one main reason: I find obesity disgusting. It’s like the line about 90% of life just showing up, or the Serenity Prayer.

  138. For anybody interested in this question, check out the fatlogic subreddit. The forum is full of people who have either successfully lost weight or are trying to lose weight, and they post lots of examples of the pro-fat ideology that Steve is talking about. It’s the best place I know of to find examples of this stuff.

  139. @advancedatheist
    @R.G. Camara

    I don't "hate Jesus." I just don't see the point of the whole Jesus story. Christians could have left well enough alone by promoting Jesus as an admirable moral teacher, though not one to my taste. But, no, they had to go full woo-woo by turning him into the judge of the dead in the afterlife, which makes him sound like Pinhead in those dumb Hellraiser movies.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @TTSSYF, @Luke Lea

    I don’t “hate Jesus.” I just don’t see the point of the whole Jesus story. Christians could have left well enough alone by promoting Jesus as an admirable moral teacher, though not one to my taste.

    Totally agree.

  140. @Hypnotoad666
    The average black woman is 5'4" and 186 lbs. Yikes! That used to be considered a hefty weight for an athletic 6'0 man. I knew Americans were fat but those statistics are almost unbelievable. And whites are hardly any better.

    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80's and haven't stopped is a legitimate mystery. It's not like people didn't enjoy eating before that. So something more than generalized gluttony seems to be going on. I've heard different theories about the effects of changes in gut biomes, the ubiquity of high fructose corn syrup, vegetable cooking oils, food allergy issues, etc. But nobody really seems to have a clue.

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anon12, @Antiwar7, @PaceLaw, @Redneck farmer, @Almost Missouri, @Thea, @Bill Jones

    Daniel Lieberma wrote some books on this. Modern hunter gathers get as much as 5-6 hours of moderate to vigorous exercise daily. Finding food is challenging work. Early agricultural life was similarly physically active.

    Our physique seems designed to run and run long distances given our tendons, gluteus Maximus and other feature not use much for walking. We have more running endurance than any animal, even antelope and such.

    Modern life has us with for 5-6 hours to get our food instead of hunting, foraging Or hoeing and harvesting.

    Then there is the modern diet. Don’t get me started….

  141. @YetAnotherAnon
    "The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there"

    1969.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqbGXl5lxEg

    Don't want to be a fat man,
    people would think that I was
    just good fun.
    Would rather be a thin man,
    I am so glad to go on being one.
    Too much to carry around with you,
    no chance of finding a woman who
    will love you in the morning and all the night time too.

    Don't want to be a fat man,
    have not the patience to ignore all that.
    Hate to admit to myself half of my problems
    came from being fat.
    Won't waste my time feeling sorry for him,
    I've seen the other side through being thin.
    Roll us both down a mountain
    and I'm sure the fat man would win.
     

    Replies: @Cortes

    There were at least four outstanding tracks on that album. Thanks for posting this.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  142. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill Jones


    Never let it be said that the Belgians never lead the world
     
    They invented "French" fries!

    Brussels is seriously weird. The top four surnames in the city-- actually, "region"-- are from the Senegambian language of Fula. The fifth is the ubiquitous Nguyễn, and the tenth Benali, i.e., "son of Ali".

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_common_surnames_in_Europe#Belgium

    One, Diallo, is #36 nationwide. It's the only one of these in the top 300 in either Flanders or Wallonia.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    How can one not have doubts about a Country comprised of Flems and Walloons?

    The should import a new, better people, That’ll fix it.

    One of my grandfathers, upon being conscripted in The War to End All Wars, was back in Liverpool 6 weeks later.
    He said he’d never met a Belgian and liked the Germans more than the French. He didn’t think his participation was necessary. I don’t think that would have changed, had he been privileged to know a Belgian.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    @Bill Jones


    One of my grandfathers, upon being conscripted in The War to End All Wars, was back in Liverpool 6 weeks later.
    He said he’d never met a Belgian and liked the Germans more than the French. He didn’t think his participation was necessary.
     
    This sounds like an interesting story. How did he opt out of "The War to End All Wars" ? I thought that participation was compulsory.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  143. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for addressing another particularly salient social problem, Steve. You're right that Big Fat, so to speak, is now pretty powerful.

    I actually put on weight pretty easily, but throughout my adult life I've found it possible to keep it off. I think this is mostly because I live in Hong Kong, not the USA. Even though HK is, and has been for a long time, a food-obsessed city, there are still very few genuinely fat people here. And the differences are not just genetic. Although only 17% of Asian Americans are classified as obese, I noticed very quickly after moving here that you can often distinguish ABCs from Hong Kong Chinese -- especially girls and women -- at a glance. Although the ABCs may not be obese, they have a thickness/heftiness that Hong Kong females usually don't.

    So why is this? Four theories.

    First, most food here is still cooked from fresh ingredients, both at home and in restaurants. I don't know if studies have been done that show that processed food is more calorie-dense than food cooked from fresh ingredients, given how full it makes you feel, but I have my suspicions.

    Second, you'd think having shared dishes in the middle of the table instead of individual plates/portions would make it easier to overeat, because theoretically you can just keep on shoveling in whatever you like. In practice, however, I think the opposite occurs. For one thing, basic etiquette restrains an individual diner from picking up food overly frequently from any one dish; you have to be seen to be leaving plenty for others. Also, in a western meal, if you want just a little more of something, that means you get a second helping, which may well be another full serving. Here you can just pick up one more bite from the communal dish, and consider yourself done.

    Third, there is still an animus here against being fat. People will openly comment on others' weight in a way that is now almost unthinkable in the West. It's not very nice sometimes, but it does maintain a standard of what's normal/healthy.

    Fourth, most people here still don't have cars, and those who do have them don't use them all the time. This means there's a lot of casual walking here you can't avoid unless you're rich enough to have a car and a driver. This walking has to help also.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @NJ Transit Commuter, @TTSSYF, @anon

    HK is basically NYC, but with lots more Chinese and good hills for walking. Best Chinese food I’ve had anywhere; it indeed tastes very fresh and healthy unlike, say, American “Chinese” food.
    TLRC, your points about communal eating and food served in small pieces being helpful to reduce overeating ring true. Another helpful thing I think is the use of chopsticks. Being European, I used to think it was a dumb, inefficient way to eat, but eventually realized that it’s actually clever in that inefficiency in shoveling food in is the point. I wonder if those of you who are Asian and/or have better insights into Asian cultures, could comment on that.

  144. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer
    @Hypnotoad666

    Air conditioning. You don't use as many calories when it's cold. You don't have your appetite suppressed by heat when it's hot.

    Replies: @anon, @Feryl

    You use a lot more calories to maintain core temperature when it’s cold. That’s how Michael Phelps could eat 12,0000 kC a day and stay lean. It’s not just the swimming, it’s maintaining core temperature in the water (which is conducts heat away from the body much more efficiently than air), even 82F pool water.

  145. anon[803] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    @Chrisnonymous

    Japanese men too--Takeru Kobayashi!

    Replies: @anon

    Japanese eat very little sugar, which is especially fattening to many folks. The Western, particularly American, sugar industry has succeeded in increasing sugar consumption many-fold over the last century and a half – but especially in the last 50 years – which paralleled the rise in diabetes and overweight.
    Someone brought up the sumo wrestlers. Many of the top Sumos are not Japanese but Mongolians or other foreigners. Sumos work very hard at eating immense amounts of food and training hard, which builds a lot of muscle under all that fat. In general, fat people have more muscle and denser bones, because they have to, to carry all that weight. Muscle weighs more than fat, which partly explains why black American women weigh so much more – they have more muscle in addition to fat, due to both overeating/overweight and a natural predisposition for fast-twitch muscle, higher bone density and testosterore in West Africans.
    It’s why BMI is so misleading – it doesn’t take into account body composition at all, and also scales poorly with height. The NFL is full of high-BMI dudes who can outsprint and outjump all the trim guys on this forum despite weighing 300+ lbs.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon


    In general, fat people have more muscle and denser bones, because they have to, to carry all that weight.
     
    Can you increase the density of your bones or is that just genetically determined?
  146. @Achmed E. Newman
    Just enjoying the article now, Steve. OK:

    Why not? Unlike the unvaccinated, who are widely seen as worthy of hate and unlikely to ever be powerful enough to get revenge,...
     
    Hey, HA and ThatWouldBeTelling resemble that remark! Also, they all need to keep in mind that living without disabling side-effects is the best revenge.

    But there are a lot more fat folks than there are ex-men.
     
    Oh! Fat folks! I missed that - at first you sounded like Tony Soprano.

    Man, that show always made me hungry for pasta and marinara sauce. Edy Falco, what CAN'T she cook?!

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Leave the pasta, take the salumi.

  147. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @advancedatheist


    BTW, I don’t understand how Dune has avoided cancellation. The novel assumes that eugenics works, that democracy doesn’t, that the common people need hierarchical political structures headed by aristocrats and allied with organized religions to keep them in line and give their lives meaning, and that women can find fulfillment in traditional roles as concubines and mothers.

     

    Actually, you could say much the same about the Harry Potter series. And look how beloved J K Rowling remains -- oh, wait . . . .

    Seriously, if Rowling had knuckled under to the trans-fanatics, her books would still be near-sacred texts to the wokerati. Deep down they love the idea that they're the magical, enlightened aristocrats, and the rest of us are deplorable muggles.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jim Don Bob

    CDAN says that JKR continues to make piles of money off HP, and that she had final say so on casting decisions. It’s too bad that more people with FU money don’t tell these SJWs to FOAD.

  148. @Art Deco
    Excess weight tends to be downmarket. OTOH, it's more common among Democratic Party mascots. So, the thing is to manufacture tropes and slogans which justify injuring people who laugh at Stacey Abrams (D-Diabetes) while allowing the bien pensants to trash Honey Boo Boo's family.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @International Jew

    Dunno. Under-50 social justice ladies in my northern California town are plenty fat. The last generation of fit lefties is hitting 70.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @International Jew

    It's a matter of frequency, not existence. Obesity (and tattoos, etc) in downscale America is omnipresent in a way that affluent Americans unfamiliar with that would find pretty shocking.

  149. I’m a white man of average height, and the only demo listed I outweigh is Asian women — amazing! I wonder how much Asian men weigh.

  150. @advancedatheist
    Wait until the morbidly obese, gay and boy-loving Baron Harkonnen in Dune becomes the story's real hero. After all, he checks three boxes on the intersectionality scorecard.

    BTW, I don't understand how Dune has avoided cancellation. The novel assumes that eugenics works, that democracy doesn't, that the common people need hierarchical political structures headed by aristocrats and allied with organized religions to keep them in line and give their lives meaning, and that women can find fulfillment in traditional roles as concubines and mothers.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Appianglorius

    Baron Harkonnen is a bad guy, this being demonstrated by his first name being Vladimir

  151. I see a lot of very fat women who aren’t Black with thinner Black men. I

    • Replies: @Automatic Slim
    @Fran Macadam

    Were you looking in a mirror?

  152. @Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    It’s like the Flynn Effect: something can be heritable yet change over historical time.
     
    Exactly:

    1. Forty years ago one-third of the U.S. population was overweight or obese. Today it's two-thirds. The environment has changed; it's more "obesogenic." More fast food outlets, less home cooking, more parents are fat and model fat eating patterns, schools have vending machines, and so on. There're so many changes that there is no going back. One third of the 2020 population has the willpower to avoid getting fat if they lived in 1980, but not in 2020. On third are doomed to be fat in any modern society. And one third are perhaps blessed to be thin in any realistically conceivable environment.

    2. The Flynn Effect made blacks somewhat smarter while simultaneously making whites smarter in proportion. There's no catching up happening (if you ignore a couple of outlier studies, Flynn, et al., Turkheimer). You can make everyone smarter over time, but not just one subset of the population. They're still trying, by eliminating gifted and AP and the SAT. But those pesky smart kids just don't cooperate in dumbing themselves down.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    I’m fat. I was fat as a kid, fat as a teenager, fat as an adult. Losing weight is not my core competency. Presumably I’m doing something wrong.

    People offer me free unsolicited advice all the time. I value it in accordance with the price that I pay for it.

    Fortunately, I know lots of thin people who are no happier than I am.

    I know several people who were once fat and are now thin who are still dysfunctional and miserable. I derive grim satisfaction from listening to their tales of woe. They busted their asses to lose the lard and they’re still screwed up.

    But, yeah, I do need to reduce.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Stan Adams

    I have had periods in my life when I was fat--but I was always able to lose the weight by just counting calories as long as needed.

    The key to losing weight was motivation.

    There needs to be a reason to do it--and they could be different for different people at different times in their lives.

    Motivation is something you have--nobody can give it to you or lecture you to get it. It comes from within.

    Replies: @Anon

  153. @advancedatheist
    @R.G. Camara

    I don't "hate Jesus." I just don't see the point of the whole Jesus story. Christians could have left well enough alone by promoting Jesus as an admirable moral teacher, though not one to my taste. But, no, they had to go full woo-woo by turning him into the judge of the dead in the afterlife, which makes him sound like Pinhead in those dumb Hellraiser movies.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @TTSSYF, @Luke Lea

    “I don’t “hate Jesus.” I just don’t see the point of the whole Jesus story. Christians could have left well enough alone by promoting Jesus as an admirable moral teacher, though not one to my taste.”

    See here for an alternative view, one that Steven Pinker happens to like btw, which surprised me no end when he told me:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ccu91wcovedefH6WbdWaEz6F_uzvy8tab7GHoZBv1BQ/edit?usp=sharing

  154. anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Body weight is 0.8 heritable in adulthood. Since height is also 0.8 heritable, BMI (weight in kilos divided by the square of height in meters) is 0.8 heritable in adulthood. We've long known this from twin and adoption studies, and it was confirmed in the million n GWAS studies.

    On the other hand, male homosexuality is just north of 0.2, so it's much less genetic than weight. We don't treat that as a personal choice. (Admittedly, the "environment" of the womb and all the chemicals there may be a big influencer.) And IQ is only about 0.6: Why don't those dumb people just get smarter!

    We all know people who have lost weight. Few of them keep it off for five years. But we have the sort of selective attention/memory that we have about our own gambling wins/losses. Literally two in three Americans is overweight or obese. Not a single one of them is pleased with that state of affairs. "It's almost as if"™ fat was genetic and beyond our control, and the personality traits that make some fat people able lose weight are also genetic and beyond our control.

    But I do have to thank Steve for only rarely haranguing us with his no-pizza "I did it so can you" diet. I had to avoid my Atkins brother in law for years because of his officious proselytizing ... before he got fat again.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon

    It’s unlikely that something that highly heritable would change so drastically over less than a century, barring a huge selective advantage for fatness. Since the obese die earlier and presumably have fewer kids, what is the selective advantage for fatness?
    But a couple of generations ago almost everyone was thin or normal weight. The drastic change, particularly in America, must be due to environmental causes, probably sugar/highly processed, addiction-inducing foods made in a factory, but also less physically active lifestyles and perhaps hormone-altering chemicals. It’s probably also epigenetic.
    People who are obsessive about exercising (devoted runners/hikers, cross-fitters, even the Covid Peloton faddists who stick with it) tend to stay relatively thin.

  155. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Unlike the unvaccinated, who are widely seen as worthy of hate and unlikely to ever be powerful enough to get revenge"

    Typically when Sailer is proved utterly wrong or a story is dissonant to his narratives (e.g., white man commits mass murder), he ignores the matter completely. Yet with the virus hoax, he can't let it go and snipes cuntily in articles unrelated to the hoax.

    2020 covid dead: 300,000 pre clotshot
    2021 covid dead: 550,000 post clotshot

    Conclusion: no one's vaccinated because there is no covid vaccine.

    Only knuckleheads take Sailer seriously anymore. The virus hoax and the clotshots destroyed his already dotarding mind.

    Replies: @Frank G, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Occasional lurker

    You could try different media.

  156. Steve, while White women probably PARTLY want fat black women to be the ideal so they too can get fat, the real reason they are all 100% BLM all the time is black men.

    Specifically, they want:

    *Mulatto babies eligible immediately for all sort of preferences, better than having a White kid.
    *Black men to maintain their privileged position of being able to commit any and all crimes without much serious consequence most of the time.
    *A war on White men so they too can be the fifth consort of a Seattle Warlord/Rapper.

    White women neither need nor want male provision, nor much of anything else from the 95% of White men who are not Alpha, so yeah Aspiring Rappers soon to be Expiring Rappers are far preferable to their desires. The pill, condom, and independent female income made White men no longer needed for White women quite some time ago and our greatest virtue — reliable provision is now completely irrelevant. While black males greatest strength — chaotic, violent social dominance regardless of consequences is ever more valued. White women also understand very well that White men are headed for the glue factory by the Ruling Elite, who are ever more black each day.

  157. @anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    Japanese eat very little sugar, which is especially fattening to many folks. The Western, particularly American, sugar industry has succeeded in increasing sugar consumption many-fold over the last century and a half - but especially in the last 50 years - which paralleled the rise in diabetes and overweight.
    Someone brought up the sumo wrestlers. Many of the top Sumos are not Japanese but Mongolians or other foreigners. Sumos work very hard at eating immense amounts of food and training hard, which builds a lot of muscle under all that fat. In general, fat people have more muscle and denser bones, because they have to, to carry all that weight. Muscle weighs more than fat, which partly explains why black American women weigh so much more - they have more muscle in addition to fat, due to both overeating/overweight and a natural predisposition for fast-twitch muscle, higher bone density and testosterore in West Africans.
    It's why BMI is so misleading - it doesn't take into account body composition at all, and also scales poorly with height. The NFL is full of high-BMI dudes who can outsprint and outjump all the trim guys on this forum despite weighing 300+ lbs.

    Replies: @Anon

    In general, fat people have more muscle and denser bones, because they have to, to carry all that weight.

    Can you increase the density of your bones or is that just genetically determined?

  158. @Shel100
    @Colin Wright

    As Stacey Abrams said she's just big boned.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘As Stacey Abrams said she’s just big boned.’

    Did she really say that? Tell me it’s so…

  159. With apologies for not reading all of the prior comments, my thought on this topic is related to the current COVID mania.

    In the most populous county in Texas, a few weeks back they announced that over half of the actual COVID deaths were among people who also had (the comorbidity) diabetes.

    Over half !

    While Type I is from birth, most diabetics are Type II, due to later in life fat. Very common among older people who have poor diets, don’t exercise, eat junk food, drink, etc.

    Now some who seem “fat” are actually healthy weight for themselves, depending on what they do and their body type, etc. But the mortality factor of obesity hits junk food eaters and TV (now Internet related) watchers and other sedentary types. Also accumulated joint damage from prior athletic activity or overuse, accident, arthritis can inhibit routine exercise.

    So excess fat is a killer, and a co-morbidity for many diseases/conditions.

    It also tends to affect non Whites and females more than others.

    So there is a contradiction here. Like smoking, fat can kill you, especially over a long time period.

    Will Woke commies “follow the science” here? Don’t bet on that.

  160. Another thought on this:

    Zuckerberg’s “Meta” world of artificial reality will render this “fat” problem obsolete.

    No matter how blimpy you are, in virtual reality your avatar can be whatever you want it to be.

    With your “Meta” helmet on you can be slim and attractive. Of course those billboard ads that keep popping up for bacon potato chips will get pretty annoying. The “pay subscribers” to Meta World Plus will only see a few.

    So fat problem solved! Of course actually getting up from your couch will still be difficult.

  161. @Hypnotoad666
    @R.G. Camara


    The Deep State wants you sexually confused, sexually promiscuous, heavily in debt, childless, working for corporate America, hating European culture and history, hating Jesus, and fat.
     
    Four more items and you will have a 12-step globohomo detox program.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Lockean Proviso, @James N. Kennett

    Four more items and you will have a 12-step globohomo detox program.

    9. Smoking legalized pot
    10. Giving up your job and home to a person with more intersectional Pokemon points
    11. Not owning anything
    12. Being happy

  162. @Mike Tre
    @Hypnotoad666

    The mid/late 80's is when we saw the start of the complete vilification of tobacco and by association nicotine. Nicotine is an appetite suppressant, so it seems plausible that as people stopped smoking in large numbers they started eating more.

    Home video game consoles also took off in the mid/late 80's, so kids' outside playtime was likely drastically reduced as they sat inside playing Nintendo, Sega, etc.

    I'm sure there are other factors as well.

    Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Lockean Proviso, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Up2Drew

    I do agree that the abolition of cigarette smoking at my socioeconomic strata has had a huge effect on female weight. I remember once reading that, essentially, every “supermodel” smoked. That’s why I always carried a lighter around. An infinitesimally small possibility, but if I ever once had Christy Brinkley walk over to me and ask if I had a book of matches, I was ready.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  163. @J.Ross
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Re walking, I have heard similar reasoning from friends who lived in Russia, where a lot of the food is nominally fattening, but where everybody walks everywhere.

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

    All the vodka and bear wrestling helps keep them skinny.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/bka39N5DhSM?feature=share

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sick 'n Tired

    The Khabib bear video is one of the fifty greatest things ever posted on the internet. I can recall the first time I saw it like 9/11.

    The one I saw had this comment under it where it was reported he asked his dad before if the bear might bite him and his dad said "you've got teeth too, right?"

  164. “Fat Phobia And Its Racist Past And Present” – by Sabrina Strings, author of “Fearing The Black Body: The Racial Origins Of Fat Phobia.”

    https://www.npr.org/transcripts/893006538

    SOFIA: So OK, Sabrina, are you telling me that when the slave trade started and Europeans saw that African women were essentially curvy, much like European women at the time, at that point they decided that being fat, being thicker, wasn’t ideal anymore, and then they built a system of oppression around this idea of needing to be thin to prove racial superiority? Is that it? Am I close?

    STRINGS: It’s not quite as intentional as that. Effectively, what they determined was that, you know, we wanted to be able to have a mechanism for ensuring that we could recognize who was slave and who was free, right? And it was easy in the beginning of the slave trade; it was simply skin color. But as you might imagine…

    SOFIA: Right.

    STRINGS: …After 200 years of living in close proximity, skin color really no longer works as a mechanism, right? Because now we have all of these people who are…

    SOFIA: Yeah.

    STRINGS: We would consider them today to be biracial. And so what they did was they decided to articulate new aspects of racial identity.

    SOFIA: Right.

    STRINGS: And so eating and body size became two of the characteristics that were being used to suggest that these are people who do not deserve freedom.

    ??? I thought there was a One Drop Rule?

    You can tell she’s a sociologist, she’s making it up as she goes along.

  165. @Lockean Proviso
    @Calvin Hobbes

    Lizzo got criticizedo by fans for being "fatphobic" and 'giving in to diet culture' after adopting a vegan diet and losing 50 lbs:

    https://www.allaboutlaughs.com/lizzo-criticized-after-successfully-completing-10-day-detox-and-losing-weight-fans-claims-shes-profiting-off-people-disliking-themselves/

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

    Same thing happened with Adele fans when she lost 100lbs. It’s nuts that people would be angry at someone for taking their health seriously and doing something to improve it.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/rebel-wilson-adele-losing-weight-fans-angry-betrayed-192915875.html

  166. @Stan Adams
    @Anon

    I'm fat. I was fat as a kid, fat as a teenager, fat as an adult. Losing weight is not my core competency. Presumably I'm doing something wrong.

    People offer me free unsolicited advice all the time. I value it in accordance with the price that I pay for it.

    Fortunately, I know lots of thin people who are no happier than I am.

    I know several people who were once fat and are now thin who are still dysfunctional and miserable. I derive grim satisfaction from listening to their tales of woe. They busted their asses to lose the lard and they're still screwed up.

    But, yeah, I do need to reduce.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    I have had periods in my life when I was fat–but I was always able to lose the weight by just counting calories as long as needed.

    The key to losing weight was motivation.

    There needs to be a reason to do it–and they could be different for different people at different times in their lives.

    Motivation is something you have–nobody can give it to you or lecture you to get it. It comes from within.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Justvisiting


    I have had periods in my life when I was fat–but I was always able to lose the weight by just counting calories as long as needed.
     
    How do you count calories? It’s not like they are written someplace on your meals.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

  167. @Jim Don Bob
    @Keith Magnadoodleson

    The late Babe Paley was the wife of William Paley chairman of CBS many moons ago. She is reputed to have said, "You can never be too rich or too thin."

    Being overweight, like being a smoker, is looked down upon by our elites; it's just not done. There are not a lot of fat smokers in DC, NYC, LA, etc., but both are widespread in flyover country. The saddest thing to see is the number of kids under 8 who are already seriously overweight. Diabetes here I come.

    Replies: @Up2Drew

    It was a common in NY 60’s high society that the Babe Paleys of the world would meet in the finest restaurants, order, and then just push the food around their plates. Being seen (table by the window, please) was incredibly important, as was looking good draped in a designer evening gown.

    Not actually eating, and suppressing your appetite with an ever-present Chesterfield was simply part of the deal.

  168. @Altai
    I mean, I don't know about 'Sacred Cow' but it's not like fat people get something from being fat it's a bundle of downsides the fat are aware of. On balance I don't think society should be abusive to overweight people as in general it shouldn't be abusive to people in general outside individuals who are clearly being antisocial.

    But I don't think modern Western polite society is all that abusive. I think we'll see campaigns from attention seeking people accusing people of things they aren't guilty of and demanding solutions to problems that don't exist. Just like with all these campaigns. They keep going because the problem they claim they're tackling never existed and if it does, it's driven by resentment from people being accused of hating X or whatever.

    Though I do remember this clip from an African-American woman in Japan complaining about a lack of 'diversity' of body shapes and sizes in Japan and how the less polite bluntness of Japanese people on commenting on her weight.

    What's telling is she has internalised SJW logic of the only way to stop discriminating or abusive of some category of people is to displace others with that category (Despite the massive success in the West and elsewhere of ending discriminating or abusive of kinds of people through nothing more than appeals to empathy that she as a black woman should obviously realise) and goes on to get excited about the possibility and indeed 'need' of more overweight people in Japan. I'm not making it up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbYUIGl7I9c


    I would hope that people would get used to more diverse bodies. There needs to be more bodies in this country! Umm, beyond race and gender, I mean like sizes! That is something that really needs to change. So I’m hoping in the future that becomes a different scenario.
     
    'needs to change', echoes of Western neoliberal economists complaining about how say Germany 'needs' 400k immigrants a year or it'll spontaneously combust or something, Japanese people need to stop not being obese or obese people should be shipped in to fix this 'problem'. And really, how much farther is this solipsism from the aforementioned neoliberal economist?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jmaie, @Reg Cæsar, @Sick 'n Tired, @nebulafox

    I don’t take this seriously mainly because the Japanese are, the odd child aside, not the types to do this. Oh, they’ll notice. But they won’t point it out. Far too polite.

    Now, China on the other hand? That’s believable.

    FWIW, Southeast Asians do seem to gain weight differently from East Asians. It’s not USA levels, but American fast food combined with office work has really caused problems in Malaysia and Singapore for ethnic Malays, especially the women.

  169. No the Dems won’t come after the overweight and obese because then they’d have to go after Jerry Nadler and Stacey Abrams…. And many others but those two jumped to mine immediately.

  170. @Thomm

    Will the Fat Become the Next Identity Politics Sacred Cow?
     
    No.

    Because no one who is not yet obese actually wants to be obese.

    While it is true that many obese people don't mind being obese, no one who is not obese wants to become obese.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Because no one who is not yet obese actually wants to be obese.

    ‘While it is true that many obese people don’t mind being obese, no one who is not obese wants to become obese.’

    Meh. Sounds good — but you could replace ‘obese’ with ‘black’ in your statement and it would still be reasonably accurate. No one wants to be black, either — not really.

    Yet blacks are inarguably a sacred cow.

  171. @International Jew
    @Art Deco

    Dunno. Under-50 social justice ladies in my northern California town are plenty fat. The last generation of fit lefties is hitting 70.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    It’s a matter of frequency, not existence. Obesity (and tattoos, etc) in downscale America is omnipresent in a way that affluent Americans unfamiliar with that would find pretty shocking.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  172. @kaganovitch
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Deep down they love the idea that they’re the magical, enlightened aristocrats, and the rest of us are deplorable muggles.

    Spot on.

    Replies: @Muggles

    Deep down they love the idea that they’re the magical, enlightened aristocrats, and the rest of us are deplorable muggles.

    Spot on.

    Hey, you’re getting kinda personal now…!

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  173. @Almost Missouri
    @Hypnotoad666


    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80’s and haven’t stopped is a legitimate mystery.
     
    Agree, but an answer may be emerging.

    http://achemicalhunger.com/

    It is unusually well written, but not short. [Spoilers below the MORE tag.]

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.
     
    Haha, yeah, one of the lessons of the last few years is that those useless f**ks in government will never do anything good. Fortunately, the Chemical Hunger authors did their job for them. For free.

    ↓ SPOILERS ↓



    They observe that

    • the obesity epidemic was a historically abrupt shift (they date it to the 1970s, but YMMV)
    • it's happening everywhere on earth, just not at the same speed
    • the obesity epidemic is nowhere abating, it's everywhere getting worse
    • to the extent that diet was different pre-obesity epidemic, it was worse
    • it's happening in lab animals with controlled diets, and in wild animals
    • it seems to be happening slower at higher elevations
    • dieting has very little effect

    From this they conclude that

    [spoilers below the MORE tag]



    environmental contaminants are involved.

    But the environment is big—literally global, and contaminants are many, so which one(s) to blame?

    After a lot detective work (which is what makes reading their science work feel more like reading a real life detective story), they provisionally indict

    [spoilers below the MORE tag]



    • livestock antibiotics
    • PFAS
    • lithium (a more widespread chemical than you probably realize)

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666

    AM — That article is a good find. It is long, and I am just starting into it, but the first “Mysteries” section is worth the effort already. I hadn’t ever heard the thing about animal obesity and that is freaking me out. WTF. It’s like there is a mysterious forcefield of fat enveloping the whole Earth.

    Mystery 5: Lab Animals and Wild Animals

    Humans aren’t the only ones who are growing more obese — lab animals and even wild animals are becoming more obese as well. Primates and rodents living in research colonies, feral rodents living in our cities, and domestic pets like dogs and cats are all steadily getting fatter and fatter. This can’t be attributed to changes in what they eat, because lab animals live in contained environments with highly controlled diets. They’re being fed the same foods as always, but for some reason, they’re getting fatter.

    This seems to be true everywhere you look. Our pets may eat scraps from the table, but why would zoo animals, being fed by professionals, also be getting fatter? Even horses are becoming more obese. This is all very strange, and none of it fits with the normal explanations for the obesity epidemic. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-part-i-mysteries/

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Hypnotoad666

    Yes that article is fascinating from the beginning to the end.

    @ the end it is a puzzle inside an enigma inside a mystery. Losing weight is close to impossible. Don't get fat heedlessly! I have an ex- who has put on a hundred pounds and she says it's from meds.

    Maybe.

    Also I would change Almost Missouri's "provisional indictment" to wild ass guess.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Hypnotoad666


    It’s like there is a mysterious forcefield of fat enveloping the whole Earth.
     
    Yeah. I think the altitude/elevation aspect plus the rather sudden historical change aspect strongly imply that an environmental factor is at work. Notwithstanding Emil Nikola Richard's declaration that it's all a "wild ass guess", the authors do go through pretty extensive investigations to arrive at their particular conclusions. Still, I think there are additional candidates they they did not investigate, which could also be significant contributors. For example, the changeover to corn sweeteners and HFCS in particular fits both the timeline and the global distribution pretty well. Likewise GMO crops, extensive artificial fertilizers and various increasingly synthetic herbicides/pesticides/fungicides. Soy is known to have hormonal effects and the human endocrine system is subject to disruption this way. In the last few decades, soy has been added to variety of foods in unprecedented quantities. (There are populations—mainly East Asian—who have traditionally consumed soy foods that are processed in some way—fermented, cooked, etc.—that reduces the hormone-disrupting effects, which might explain why those populations are less affected by the soy epidemic.) Also, there is a possible role for increasingly narrowly-bred cultivars that emphasize caloric value at the expense of everything else. Drinking-water is widely treated today with chemicals that were not formerly used. People who are not directly involved in the the food supply chain are not necessarily aware of these things, so it didn't occur to the authors to look into these. Then there are non-food changes. If livestock antibiotics are bad, which the authors did look into and decide to indict, then surely antibiotics directly injected into humans are even worse. And antibiotic prescription to humans has massively increased on a timescale and geographic distribution that fits the manifesting obesity patterns well. Antibiotics are known to change the digestive biome, so this isn't really a stretch as an explanation. Childhood vaccinations (not speaking of covid) have gone from nearly nonexistent at the beginning of the 20th century to massive and variegated by the end of the century, as has obesity.

    The good news is that whatever the exact causes and their proportions are, many of them can be mostly dodged with a few good habits:

    • Avoid nonessential medical treatment, especially antibiotic medications. Obviously, if you have a life-threatening infection, take the antibiotic and accept the downsides, but too many people routinely scarf antibiotics at the slightest provocation.

    • Drink clean, filtered water or spring water from reliable, preferably high elevation, sources. A lot of the possible contaminants seem to vector though drinking water, so even without knowing what the contaminants are, you can dodge most of them by ensuring your water intake is relatively pure. (The authors do point out that water from very deep wells, counter-intuitively, can contain large amounts of natural contaminants, especially lithium, so deep-well archeo-water sources may be worse than shallower wells in non-toxic territory, and a plain old mountain stream is still better.) This could be summed up as don't drink unfiltered tap water unless you know the tap is connected to good quality well.

    • Aim for a "clean" diet. The authors make a reasonable case that eating the "right" balance of carbs, fat, protein, etc. may not matter much, at least for obesity purposes. On the other hand, weird non-food ingredients that make up the bottom half of the the ingredient list of most factory-produced foods might. Don't eat that stuff. Favor simple, wholesome foods from known, reliable sources, without strange non-food ingredients. This may also help avoid micro-ingredients that don't even show up in manufacturers' labels, and help avoid sinister but hard-to-measure changes to normal ingredients, such as crappy grain cultivars, that also don't show up in food labels even if the ingredient they are a part of do. The authors commend vegetarianism, not because of direct evidence that this is better but because they speculate that contaminants concentrate as they travel up the food chain, so they reason that the more herbivorous a diet, the fewer contaminants have concentrated in it. I'm less sanguine about that since human-destined vegetables are usually grown on monocropped and heavily treated bottom lands, which are ideal catchments for the contaminants the authors describe. Nothing against vegetables as such, but again clean sourcing matters. Grass-fed cattle, on the other hand, generally graze on higher-elevation slopes that are not so subject to chemical contamination. And cattle are pure herbivores, while pork and poultry do eat higher up the food chain while simultaneously being typically raised on bottom-land. So there may be a case to avoid pork and poultry while favoring grass-fed beef. Of course factory-farmed, feedlot-raised livestock are all bad no matter the species, but I'm assuming you're taking normal precautions.

    Good luck.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  174. @Sick 'n Tired
    @Altai

    I've been to Japan, it is an amazing country full of great people. Clean, orderly, well thought out, and how a great example of how a successful society should be run. As long as you go there with an attitude that you're a guest in their country and respect the way they live & conduct their lives. If more countries went the Japan route, the world would be a much better place.

    Replies: @Muggles

    If more countries went the Japan route, the world would be a much better place.

    Yes, nuking them a couple of times a while back did wonders for them.

  175. @Justvisiting
    @Stan Adams

    I have had periods in my life when I was fat--but I was always able to lose the weight by just counting calories as long as needed.

    The key to losing weight was motivation.

    There needs to be a reason to do it--and they could be different for different people at different times in their lives.

    Motivation is something you have--nobody can give it to you or lecture you to get it. It comes from within.

    Replies: @Anon

    I have had periods in my life when I was fat–but I was always able to lose the weight by just counting calories as long as needed.

    How do you count calories? It’s not like they are written someplace on your meals.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Anon

    There are thousands of websites that explain how to count calories--you just have to carefully monitor exactly what you are eating.

    In addition most prepared food labels have a calorie count of them.

    The simple rule was--if you can't figure out how many calories, you just don't eat it.

  176. @The Last Real Calvinist
    As a follow-up to my post above: although I stressed that Cantonese food is generally cooked from fresh ingredients, that doesn't mean it's some kind of super-healthy paleo-keto wonder diet.

    Lots of people here start the day by eating nauseatingly sweet buns and pastries produced by local bakeries, or by tucking into big steaming bowls of carb-n-chemicals instant noodles. And speaking of carbs, it still amazes me to see the buckets of white rice and platters of heavy noodles that get put away here by people who look almost emaciated to western eyes.

    Chinese cooking also uses plenty of oil. I recall a lunchtime conversation with some work colleagues years ago. One of them, an English woman, was haranguing the table with complaints about how horrible and 'greasy' the local Chinese food was. She claimed her delicate constitution simply couldn't tolerate it, and she described at great length the efforts she had to make to obtain and prepare western dishes of exemplary purity and healthiness. The only thing was, this woman must have weighed in at close to two bills, while the Chinese women at the table were uniformly slim. I could pretty much guess what they were thinking.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @nebulafox

    “Our Taiwanese brothers don’t like MSG and oil like we do.” – first PRC tourist guides in Taiwan, 2006.

    For me, Sichuan/Hunan/Guangxi food is one of my big weaknesses in life: I lovvve spicy stuff and make up for my lack of a sweet tooth with my appetite for salt, oil, and alcohol. Given my family’s preselection for heart disease, that means I’ve got to be careful.

    But I’d rather die at 80 living my way and fornicating with an eligible widow on the summit of Mount Merapi (worst case scenario, best would be my wife, of course) with a bunch of semi finished books in the tent than at 90 nibbling on a salad and being pushed around by some condescending whippersnapper.

    Which is another way of just saying, don’t ever let the bastards grind you down. 😛

  177. @Bill Jones
    @Reg Cæsar

    How can one not have doubts about a Country comprised of Flems and Walloons?

    The should import a new, better people, That'll fix it.



    One of my grandfathers, upon being conscripted in The War to End All Wars, was back in Liverpool 6 weeks later.
    He said he’d never met a Belgian and liked the Germans more than the French. He didn’t think his participation was necessary. I don't think that would have changed, had he been privileged to know a Belgian.

    Replies: @AKAHorace

    One of my grandfathers, upon being conscripted in The War to End All Wars, was back in Liverpool 6 weeks later.
    He said he’d never met a Belgian and liked the Germans more than the French. He didn’t think his participation was necessary.

    This sounds like an interesting story. How did he opt out of “The War to End All Wars” ? I thought that participation was compulsory.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @AKAHorace


    I thought that participation was compulsory.
     
    Government then was even less competent at knowing who was where than they are today. His masterstroke was apparently changing his name from John Jones to Joseph Jones on his return.
    That fooled 'em.

    There were a few stories kicking about with various degrees of doubtful provenance when I was kid in the '60's. Who knows what the truth is?
    One thing I do know is that the other grandfather who volunteered @16 was gassed and shrapnelled and I recall his coughing to this day.

  178. I spend a lot of time on fitness/weightlifting related youtube channels. Trying to get people cancelled for ‘fat-shaming’ (ie counseling a fat ass on the benefits of losing weight) is already a thing. For now, you can still stay monetized and criticize obesity for health reasons, but you’d be better be careful if you laugh at some fat chick trying to look ‘sexy’ and ‘confident’ in her lingerie in some tik tok vid – that really seems to get the hyenas howling.

  179. @Joe S.Walker
    Not off topic: Google "bridget fonda daily mail".

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Farenheit, @Rob, @Bill Jones

    Do you really use google?

    Even though they hate you?

  180. @Hypnotoad666
    The average black woman is 5'4" and 186 lbs. Yikes! That used to be considered a hefty weight for an athletic 6'0 man. I knew Americans were fat but those statistics are almost unbelievable. And whites are hardly any better.

    Why Americans starting ballooning in the late 80's and haven't stopped is a legitimate mystery. It's not like people didn't enjoy eating before that. So something more than generalized gluttony seems to be going on. I've heard different theories about the effects of changes in gut biomes, the ubiquity of high fructose corn syrup, vegetable cooking oils, food allergy issues, etc. But nobody really seems to have a clue.

    Maybe the CDC could break off a few dollars from developing patented pharma drugs and see what clues it can find.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @anon12, @Antiwar7, @PaceLaw, @Redneck farmer, @Almost Missouri, @Thea, @Bill Jones

    I find it quite surprising that the fact that the US’s recommended “food pyramid” is promulgated by the USDA goes without mention.
    They are in the business of ensuring the financial health of farmers not the physical health of citizens.

  181. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Unlike the unvaccinated, who are widely seen as worthy of hate and unlikely to ever be powerful enough to get revenge"

    Typically when Sailer is proved utterly wrong or a story is dissonant to his narratives (e.g., white man commits mass murder), he ignores the matter completely. Yet with the virus hoax, he can't let it go and snipes cuntily in articles unrelated to the hoax.

    2020 covid dead: 300,000 pre clotshot
    2021 covid dead: 550,000 post clotshot

    Conclusion: no one's vaccinated because there is no covid vaccine.

    Only knuckleheads take Sailer seriously anymore. The virus hoax and the clotshots destroyed his already dotarding mind.

    Replies: @Frank G, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Occasional lurker

    Go take a statistic class and learn how to tease out causal relationships in medicine. Your statistic is as convincing as saying that watching more TV is life-lengthening. There is a good correlation of the trends of the national averages of hours spent TV watching and life expectancy over decades in the US, yet there is no causal relationship, and on the individual level, there is even an inverse correlation (though that isn’t causal either). All data from all countries show that all other risk factors being equal, the unvaccinated have a far, far greater risk of dying than the vaccinated, and at least pre-Omicron they also had a vastly higher risk of contracting COVID.

  182. @AKAHorace
    @Bill Jones


    One of my grandfathers, upon being conscripted in The War to End All Wars, was back in Liverpool 6 weeks later.
    He said he’d never met a Belgian and liked the Germans more than the French. He didn’t think his participation was necessary.
     
    This sounds like an interesting story. How did he opt out of "The War to End All Wars" ? I thought that participation was compulsory.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I thought that participation was compulsory.

    Government then was even less competent at knowing who was where than they are today. His masterstroke was apparently changing his name from John Jones to Joseph Jones on his return.
    That fooled ’em.

    There were a few stories kicking about with various degrees of doubtful provenance when I was kid in the ’60’s. Who knows what the truth is?
    One thing I do know is that the other grandfather who volunteered @16 was gassed and shrapnelled and I recall his coughing to this day.

    • Thanks: AKAHorace
  183. @Anon
    @Justvisiting


    I have had periods in my life when I was fat–but I was always able to lose the weight by just counting calories as long as needed.
     
    How do you count calories? It’s not like they are written someplace on your meals.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    There are thousands of websites that explain how to count calories–you just have to carefully monitor exactly what you are eating.

    In addition most prepared food labels have a calorie count of them.

    The simple rule was–if you can’t figure out how many calories, you just don’t eat it.

  184. Black Lives Fatter.

  185. @Redneck farmer
    @Hypnotoad666

    Air conditioning. You don't use as many calories when it's cold. You don't have your appetite suppressed by heat when it's hot.

    Replies: @anon, @Feryl

    Air conditioning also encourages people to stay inside during the warmer months of the year, obesity seemed to rise a great deal in the 90’s when AC became commonplace all over the US.

  186. @Hypnotoad666
    @Almost Missouri

    AM -- That article is a good find. It is long, and I am just starting into it, but the first "Mysteries" section is worth the effort already. I hadn't ever heard the thing about animal obesity and that is freaking me out. WTF. It's like there is a mysterious forcefield of fat enveloping the whole Earth.


    Mystery 5: Lab Animals and Wild Animals

    Humans aren’t the only ones who are growing more obese — lab animals and even wild animals are becoming more obese as well. Primates and rodents living in research colonies, feral rodents living in our cities, and domestic pets like dogs and cats are all steadily getting fatter and fatter. This can’t be attributed to changes in what they eat, because lab animals live in contained environments with highly controlled diets. They’re being fed the same foods as always, but for some reason, they’re getting fatter.

    This seems to be true everywhere you look. Our pets may eat scraps from the table, but why would zoo animals, being fed by professionals, also be getting fatter? Even horses are becoming more obese. This is all very strange, and none of it fits with the normal explanations for the obesity epidemic. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-part-i-mysteries/
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Almost Missouri

    Yes that article is fascinating from the beginning to the end.

    @ the end it is a puzzle inside an enigma inside a mystery. Losing weight is close to impossible. Don’t get fat heedlessly! I have an ex- who has put on a hundred pounds and she says it’s from meds.

    Maybe.

    Also I would change Almost Missouri’s “provisional indictment” to wild ass guess.

  187. @Sick 'n Tired
    @J.Ross

    All the vodka and bear wrestling helps keep them skinny.

    https://youtu.be/Hovy3YnaJTc

    https://youtu.be/PAWd_WJNVms

    https://youtu.be/8IIGNlJGSKY

    https://youtube.com/shorts/bka39N5DhSM?feature=share

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The Khabib bear video is one of the fifty greatest things ever posted on the internet. I can recall the first time I saw it like 9/11.

    The one I saw had this comment under it where it was reported he asked his dad before if the bear might bite him and his dad said “you’ve got teeth too, right?”

  188. @Hypnotoad666
    @Almost Missouri

    AM -- That article is a good find. It is long, and I am just starting into it, but the first "Mysteries" section is worth the effort already. I hadn't ever heard the thing about animal obesity and that is freaking me out. WTF. It's like there is a mysterious forcefield of fat enveloping the whole Earth.


    Mystery 5: Lab Animals and Wild Animals

    Humans aren’t the only ones who are growing more obese — lab animals and even wild animals are becoming more obese as well. Primates and rodents living in research colonies, feral rodents living in our cities, and domestic pets like dogs and cats are all steadily getting fatter and fatter. This can’t be attributed to changes in what they eat, because lab animals live in contained environments with highly controlled diets. They’re being fed the same foods as always, but for some reason, they’re getting fatter.

    This seems to be true everywhere you look. Our pets may eat scraps from the table, but why would zoo animals, being fed by professionals, also be getting fatter? Even horses are becoming more obese. This is all very strange, and none of it fits with the normal explanations for the obesity epidemic. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-part-i-mysteries/
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Almost Missouri

    It’s like there is a mysterious forcefield of fat enveloping the whole Earth.

    Yeah. I think the altitude/elevation aspect plus the rather sudden historical change aspect strongly imply that an environmental factor is at work. Notwithstanding Emil Nikola Richard’s declaration that it’s all a “wild ass guess”, the authors do go through pretty extensive investigations to arrive at their particular conclusions. Still, I think there are additional candidates they they did not investigate, which could also be significant contributors. For example, the changeover to corn sweeteners and HFCS in particular fits both the timeline and the global distribution pretty well. Likewise GMO crops, extensive artificial fertilizers and various increasingly synthetic herbicides/pesticides/fungicides. Soy is known to have hormonal effects and the human endocrine system is subject to disruption this way. In the last few decades, soy has been added to variety of foods in unprecedented quantities. (There are populations—mainly East Asian—who have traditionally consumed soy foods that are processed in some way—fermented, cooked, etc.—that reduces the hormone-disrupting effects, which might explain why those populations are less affected by the soy epidemic.) Also, there is a possible role for increasingly narrowly-bred cultivars that emphasize caloric value at the expense of everything else. Drinking-water is widely treated today with chemicals that were not formerly used. People who are not directly involved in the the food supply chain are not necessarily aware of these things, so it didn’t occur to the authors to look into these. Then there are non-food changes. If livestock antibiotics are bad, which the authors did look into and decide to indict, then surely antibiotics directly injected into humans are even worse. And antibiotic prescription to humans has massively increased on a timescale and geographic distribution that fits the manifesting obesity patterns well. Antibiotics are known to change the digestive biome, so this isn’t really a stretch as an explanation. Childhood vaccinations (not speaking of covid) have gone from nearly nonexistent at the beginning of the 20th century to massive and variegated by the end of the century, as has obesity.

    The good news is that whatever the exact causes and their proportions are, many of them can be mostly dodged with a few good habits:

    • Avoid nonessential medical treatment, especially antibiotic medications. Obviously, if you have a life-threatening infection, take the antibiotic and accept the downsides, but too many people routinely scarf antibiotics at the slightest provocation.

    • Drink clean, filtered water or spring water from reliable, preferably high elevation, sources. A lot of the possible contaminants seem to vector though drinking water, so even without knowing what the contaminants are, you can dodge most of them by ensuring your water intake is relatively pure. (The authors do point out that water from very deep wells, counter-intuitively, can contain large amounts of natural contaminants, especially lithium, so deep-well archeo-water sources may be worse than shallower wells in non-toxic territory, and a plain old mountain stream is still better.) This could be summed up as don’t drink unfiltered tap water unless you know the tap is connected to good quality well.

    • Aim for a “clean” diet. The authors make a reasonable case that eating the “right” balance of carbs, fat, protein, etc. may not matter much, at least for obesity purposes. On the other hand, weird non-food ingredients that make up the bottom half of the the ingredient list of most factory-produced foods might. Don’t eat that stuff. Favor simple, wholesome foods from known, reliable sources, without strange non-food ingredients. This may also help avoid micro-ingredients that don’t even show up in manufacturers’ labels, and help avoid sinister but hard-to-measure changes to normal ingredients, such as crappy grain cultivars, that also don’t show up in food labels even if the ingredient they are a part of do. The authors commend vegetarianism, not because of direct evidence that this is better but because they speculate that contaminants concentrate as they travel up the food chain, so they reason that the more herbivorous a diet, the fewer contaminants have concentrated in it. I’m less sanguine about that since human-destined vegetables are usually grown on monocropped and heavily treated bottom lands, which are ideal catchments for the contaminants the authors describe. Nothing against vegetables as such, but again clean sourcing matters. Grass-fed cattle, on the other hand, generally graze on higher-elevation slopes that are not so subject to chemical contamination. And cattle are pure herbivores, while pork and poultry do eat higher up the food chain while simultaneously being typically raised on bottom-land. So there may be a case to avoid pork and poultry while favoring grass-fed beef. Of course factory-farmed, feedlot-raised livestock are all bad no matter the species, but I’m assuming you’re taking normal precautions.

    Good luck.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Almost Missouri

    Mentioning soy and other environmental estrogen imitators made me think of another trend that I don't believe they mentioned in the article: The steady and massive drop in testosterone levels and sperm counts over the identical time period. It seems totally plausible -- indeed, probable -- that these simultaneous massive population-wide trends (lower T, lower sperm, higher fat) must be caused by a common underlying phenomenon. That should be a massive clue in looking for environmental culprits.


    Studies show that men’s testosterone levels have been declining for decades. The most prominent, a 2007 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, revealed a “substantial” drop in U.S. men’s testosterone levels since the 1980s, with average levels declining by about 1% per year. This means, for example, that a 60-year-old man in 2004 had testosterone levels 17% lower than those of a 60-year-old in 1987. Another study of Danish men produced similar findings, with double-digit declines among men born in the 1960s compared to those born in the 1920s. https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2017/10/02/youre-not-the-man-your-father-was/?sh=1b71b8998b7f
     

    Sperm counts in men from America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand have dropped by more than 50 percent in less than 40 years, researchers said on Tuesday.

    They also said the rate of decline is not slowing. Both findings -- in a meta-analysis bringing together various studies -- pointed to a potential decline in male health and fertility.

    "This study is an urgent wake-up call for researchers and health authorities around the world to investigate the causes of the sharp ongoing drop in sperm count," said Hagai Levine, who co-led the work at the Hebrew University-Hadassah Braun School of Public Health and Community Medicine in Jerusalem. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sperm-count-dropping-in-western-world/
     

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  189. @Almost Missouri
    @Hypnotoad666


    It’s like there is a mysterious forcefield of fat enveloping the whole Earth.
     
    Yeah. I think the altitude/elevation aspect plus the rather sudden historical change aspect strongly imply that an environmental factor is at work. Notwithstanding Emil Nikola Richard's declaration that it's all a "wild ass guess", the authors do go through pretty extensive investigations to arrive at their particular conclusions. Still, I think there are additional candidates they they did not investigate, which could also be significant contributors. For example, the changeover to corn sweeteners and HFCS in particular fits both the timeline and the global distribution pretty well. Likewise GMO crops, extensive artificial fertilizers and various increasingly synthetic herbicides/pesticides/fungicides. Soy is known to have hormonal effects and the human endocrine system is subject to disruption this way. In the last few decades, soy has been added to variety of foods in unprecedented quantities. (There are populations—mainly East Asian—who have traditionally consumed soy foods that are processed in some way—fermented, cooked, etc.—that reduces the hormone-disrupting effects, which might explain why those populations are less affected by the soy epidemic.) Also, there is a possible role for increasingly narrowly-bred cultivars that emphasize caloric value at the expense of everything else. Drinking-water is widely treated today with chemicals that were not formerly used. People who are not directly involved in the the food supply chain are not necessarily aware of these things, so it didn't occur to the authors to look into these. Then there are non-food changes. If livestock antibiotics are bad, which the authors did look into and decide to indict, then surely antibiotics directly injected into humans are even worse. And antibiotic prescription to humans has massively increased on a timescale and geographic distribution that fits the manifesting obesity patterns well. Antibiotics are known to change the digestive biome, so this isn't really a stretch as an explanation. Childhood vaccinations (not speaking of covid) have gone from nearly nonexistent at the beginning of the 20th century to massive and variegated by the end of the century, as has obesity.

    The good news is that whatever the exact causes and their proportions are, many of them can be mostly dodged with a few good habits:

    • Avoid nonessential medical treatment, especially antibiotic medications. Obviously, if you have a life-threatening infection, take the antibiotic and accept the downsides, but too many people routinely scarf antibiotics at the slightest provocation.

    • Drink clean, filtered water or spring water from reliable, preferably high elevation, sources. A lot of the possible contaminants seem to vector though drinking water, so even without knowing what the contaminants are, you can dodge most of them by ensuring your water intake is relatively pure. (The authors do point out that water from very deep wells, counter-intuitively, can contain large amounts of natural contaminants, especially lithium, so deep-well archeo-water sources may be worse than shallower wells in non-toxic territory, and a plain old mountain stream is still better.) This could be summed up as don't drink unfiltered tap water unless you know the tap is connected to good quality well.

    • Aim for a "clean" diet. The authors make a reasonable case that eating the "right" balance of carbs, fat, protein, etc. may not matter much, at least for obesity purposes. On the other hand, weird non-food ingredients that make up the bottom half of the the ingredient list of most factory-produced foods might. Don't eat that stuff. Favor simple, wholesome foods from known, reliable sources, without strange non-food ingredients. This may also help avoid micro-ingredients that don't even show up in manufacturers' labels, and help avoid sinister but hard-to-measure changes to normal ingredients, such as crappy grain cultivars, that also don't show up in food labels even if the ingredient they are a part of do. The authors commend vegetarianism, not because of direct evidence that this is better but because they speculate that contaminants concentrate as they travel up the food chain, so they reason that the more herbivorous a diet, the fewer contaminants have concentrated in it. I'm less sanguine about that since human-destined vegetables are usually grown on monocropped and heavily treated bottom lands, which are ideal catchments for the contaminants the authors describe. Nothing against vegetables as such, but again clean sourcing matters. Grass-fed cattle, on the other hand, generally graze on higher-elevation slopes that are not so subject to chemical contamination. And cattle are pure herbivores, while pork and poultry do eat higher up the food chain while simultaneously being typically raised on bottom-land. So there may be a case to avoid pork and poultry while favoring grass-fed beef. Of course factory-farmed, feedlot-raised livestock are all bad no matter the species, but I'm assuming you're taking normal precautions.

    Good luck.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Mentioning soy and other environmental estrogen imitators made me think of another trend that I don’t believe they mentioned in the article: The steady and massive drop in testosterone levels and sperm counts over the identical time period. It seems totally plausible — indeed, probable — that these simultaneous massive population-wide trends (lower T, lower sperm, higher fat) must be caused by a common underlying phenomenon. That should be a massive clue in looking for environmental culprits.

    Studies show that men’s testosterone levels have been declining for decades. The most prominent, a 2007 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, revealed a “substantial” drop in U.S. men’s testosterone levels since the 1980s, with average levels declining by about 1% per year. This means, for example, that a 60-year-old man in 2004 had testosterone levels 17% lower than those of a 60-year-old in 1987. Another study of Danish men produced similar findings, with double-digit declines among men born in the 1960s compared to those born in the 1920s. https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2017/10/02/youre-not-the-man-your-father-was/?sh=1b71b8998b7f

    Sperm counts in men from America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand have dropped by more than 50 percent in less than 40 years, researchers said on Tuesday.

    They also said the rate of decline is not slowing. Both findings — in a meta-analysis bringing together various studies — pointed to a potential decline in male health and fertility.

    “This study is an urgent wake-up call for researchers and health authorities around the world to investigate the causes of the sharp ongoing drop in sperm count,” said Hagai Levine, who co-led the work at the Hebrew University-Hadassah Braun School of Public Health and Community Medicine in Jerusalem. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sperm-count-dropping-in-western-world/

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Hypnotoad666


    The steady and massive drop in testosterone levels and sperm counts over the identical time period.
     
    That's a good point. I wonder if that also has a largely unnoticed altitude dimension.

    Another possible factor, though one I doubt has an altitude dimension, is that starting after WWII, infant mortality plummeted from about 1/3 of births to nearly zero. This means that by the 1970s there were a lot of adults walking around who would not have existed in prior eras. Beside them today we also have their children and grandchildren. However tragic infant mortality, it may have been culling out the bottom third of genetic fitness each generation. That process is gone now. Add in the global reorganization to favor "victims" and the "oppressed" and it may be that all of society is now subservient to a segment that never heretofore existed.
  190. @Hypnotoad666
    @Almost Missouri

    Mentioning soy and other environmental estrogen imitators made me think of another trend that I don't believe they mentioned in the article: The steady and massive drop in testosterone levels and sperm counts over the identical time period. It seems totally plausible -- indeed, probable -- that these simultaneous massive population-wide trends (lower T, lower sperm, higher fat) must be caused by a common underlying phenomenon. That should be a massive clue in looking for environmental culprits.


    Studies show that men’s testosterone levels have been declining for decades. The most prominent, a 2007 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, revealed a “substantial” drop in U.S. men’s testosterone levels since the 1980s, with average levels declining by about 1% per year. This means, for example, that a 60-year-old man in 2004 had testosterone levels 17% lower than those of a 60-year-old in 1987. Another study of Danish men produced similar findings, with double-digit declines among men born in the 1960s compared to those born in the 1920s. https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2017/10/02/youre-not-the-man-your-father-was/?sh=1b71b8998b7f
     

    Sperm counts in men from America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand have dropped by more than 50 percent in less than 40 years, researchers said on Tuesday.

    They also said the rate of decline is not slowing. Both findings -- in a meta-analysis bringing together various studies -- pointed to a potential decline in male health and fertility.

    "This study is an urgent wake-up call for researchers and health authorities around the world to investigate the causes of the sharp ongoing drop in sperm count," said Hagai Levine, who co-led the work at the Hebrew University-Hadassah Braun School of Public Health and Community Medicine in Jerusalem. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sperm-count-dropping-in-western-world/
     

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    The steady and massive drop in testosterone levels and sperm counts over the identical time period.

    That’s a good point. I wonder if that also has a largely unnoticed altitude dimension.

    Another possible factor, though one I doubt has an altitude dimension, is that starting after WWII, infant mortality plummeted from about 1/3 of births to nearly zero. This means that by the 1970s there were a lot of adults walking around who would not have existed in prior eras. Beside them today we also have their children and grandchildren. However tragic infant mortality, it may have been culling out the bottom third of genetic fitness each generation. That process is gone now. Add in the global reorganization to favor “victims” and the “oppressed” and it may be that all of society is now subservient to a segment that never heretofore existed.

  191. @Fran Macadam
    I see a lot of very fat women who aren't Black with thinner Black men. I

    Replies: @Automatic Slim

    Were you looking in a mirror?

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