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From the Washington Post sports section, some heavy duty philosophizing in defense of Will “Lia” Thomas’s reductio ad absurdum of the NCAA women’s swimming championship. It’s worth noting that while more and more people these days think not in terms of objective principles but make up their mind based on who they assume are the Good Guys and who are the Bad Guys, they think they think in terms of pure rationality. So, when challenged over backing an obvious absurd injustice, they extrude gibberish in defense of what they assume are their reasons.
Lia Thomas’s swimming is getting swamped in others’ fears
By Sally Jenkins
ColumnistSally Jenkins is a sports columnist for The Washington Post. She began her second stint at The Washington Post in 2000 after spending the previous decade working as a book author and as a magazine writer.
Daughter of the late Dan Jenkins, famed Sports Illustrated writer.
March 17, 2022 at 5:16 a.m. EDT
Hate to tell you, but in a way, everyone is trans. As writer T Cooper observed, all of us in life’s competitive arena are on the way to becoming someone profoundly different than we were, and keeping score is just a way to track the arc of a person from youth to prime to past it. If you subtract the aim of becomingness from competition just because you’re afraid of a Lia Thomas and make it strictly about the chance to win a prize, then you might as well go to an amusement park and shoot a squirt gun at a clown face because it will have about as much meaning.
That’s quite a sentence.
The debate over whether Thomas, a transgender collegiate swimmer, has some sort of immutable biological edge over the field in this week’s NCAA women’s swimming championships will swamp whatever she does in the water. We look to facts to rescue us when a subject becomes heated, but here, the science remains unsettled.
Trust The Science!
Er, wait … Don’t trust the science!
No one arguing the issue really wants to admit it — when is the last time you heard a doctor or any other expert say the words, “I don’t know”? But we don’t know. Therefore, to exclude trans athletes from elite competition, out of our own constricting fears and uncertainty, is wrong, harmfully so.
Read all the position papers for yourself, the strenuous arguments over nanomoles of suppressed testosterone, from briefs in a Connecticut legal case over a high school sprinter to a “briefing” book submitted to Congress by the Women’s Sports Policy Working Group. And then do yourself a favor. Sweep them all off your desk and pick up a stunner of a book called “Real Man Adventures” by Cooper, a literature professor at Emory University whose credits include writing the NBC series “The Blacklist.” See if what you read in Cooper’s work doesn’t ring more startlingly true than any of the disputed positions.
“It turns out nobody else is born a man either,” he writes. “Sure, roughly half of us humans are born male — but only a fraction of that fraction grow into men.”
Okaaay …
What is the real aim and value of NCAA competition? Is it not to grow people? Surely, it’s about more than just vaulting a small subset of young talents on to a podium for the sake of name-image-and-likeness deals and spots in the Olympics. It’s supposed to be about exploring who you are, whether on the pool deck or starting block or basketball floor, and the truth is that “every person has multitudes in them,” as Cooper’s wife, journalist Allison Glock, observed in her own work. That’s the real worthwhile inquiry of college sports.
Using this as a starting point in the Thomas debate seems a much smarter approach than the uncivil fearmongering over bone density and hand size. And it allows you to ask without insult: Is Thomas’s presence preventing other swimmers from finding out who they are?
Every age category from pre-puberty to professional has changing stakes and urgencies around this issue, and none of those categories are neat. But what can be said with some consensus and conviction is that contests for maturing competitors should be more than a matter of mere physical overwhelming.
Huh?
The trouble is, whatever we think we know about this threat, there are complications to every assumption. Thomas’s Ivy League records this season at Penn coupled with her 6-foot-1 frame initially seem like an overwhelmingly unfair advantage — until you remember that Missy Franklin is 6-foot-2 and 165 pounds. For each researcher who presents certainty that the adolescent pulses of testosterone confer a “legacy” advantage in size and strength even after hormone therapy, there is the reasonable work of a Joanna Harper, a medical physicist who counters that it’s not that simple: There are disadvantages, too.
For instance, a larger skeleton is actually harder to aerobically push after the muscle loss of hormone therapy. And anyway, when has raw size or strength ever been the main determinant of victory in anything?
As Damon Runyon said, “The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that’s the way to bet.”
… Then there is the baffling truth that height differences within genders are much greater than between them. …
For the moment we can only continue to calibrate judgments around the important question: Does our current collegiate model, with its inclusion of Thomas and other trans athletes, call forth competition that is interesting, meaningful and valuable? The answer is yes.
What competition is more interesting, meaningful and valuable than the question of whether Thomas will try in a race, and thus win as in the women’s 500, or throw the race, as in his other two women’s races in the NCAAs to lessen criticism of him?
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This is exactly the same logical fallacy as the one that says there is more variation inside human races than between them.
Not that any of this matters in the scheme of things, but this really does fall into what I very recently described as absolutism. Stupid people apply absolute principles to things that are not absolute.
And half of humanity is stupid.
Thus the advantage of whites in IQ test shouldn't be a problem, right?
I don't know what you think, but I suspect Sally Jenkins would be scandalized at this suggestion.
This suggests that she isn't thinking very clearly about the distinction between a wide variation in ability, and the difference in performance of the best of each of the two groups.
There is simply no lie too stupid to tell.
Very reminiscent of the common argument that concept of individual "plates" within a stack is a mere "social construct," with no external, objective validity -- because there's more within-plate spatial diversity than between-plate spacial diversity:
https://i.postimg.cc/tgBd0jWT/Lewontin-s-Plate-Fallacy2.jpg
Always remember, there's only one plate -- the stack plate!
Stupid indefensible theories hide behind insane theorizing and gobbleydeygook
We must point out the stupidity of such vapid arguments and damand logical sensible argument.
But that would be demanding too much. Better let the PC people live in their fantasy world, and from there, with false theories, destroy the world.
The same sort of people use the same thing excusing and rationalizing black crime, They always work in the word "fear."
“The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that’s the way to bet.”
And you, Sally, are no Damon Runyon
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New Yorkthe Ivy League...2. Rich and Powerful
3. Benevolent
4. Clairvoyant
5. Fuck Dinner
6. Patriotic
7. Crank up the Enola Gay
8. Witty & Charming, Part II
9. Invisible
10. Bulletproof
Jenkins is an ideologue, driven by emotion, just like nearly all the American political class. The media is full of these people. Their job is not to report or analyse rationally, but to justify their own or their employers’ ideology, no matter how irrational or dishonest.
But there is an amusing side to all of this. Ten or twenty years ago, women like Jenkins were doubtless defending womens’ professional sport against “attacks by chauvinists.” It was the feminist thing to do.
Now they’re defending the admission of male eunuchs into these very sports. Male eunuchs are generally much stronger and fitter than women of the same height. So, if enough enter a particular womens’sport, they will tend to dominate it, to the detriment of actual women. The end result is that actual women will be discouraged from entering the sport, interest and sponsorship will collapse, and the sport will be dissolved.
If this continues, the end is in sight for womens’ sports, not because of attacks by “male chauvinists”, but by letting male eunuchs compete in them. The irony of this will be completely lost on Jenkins and her ilk. Their advocacy is helping destroy the very sports that they so recently defended.
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Thus, they have officially defined women as nothing but inferior, testosterone-deficient males.
They are not eunuchs.
He's not trans anything, yet. Doesn't have the balls to cut his junk off.
This could be a project to destroy women's sports or at least demoralize women athletes.
A guy just has to say that he's trans, and he can exert his maleness, where men are not allowed.
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What American media pretends rich WASPs values are.
What they actually are:
Statement from Brooke Forde, the girl who came fourth who is herself a silver medal Olympian and daughter of ESPN writer Pat Forde.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33193700/penn-quakers-swim-team-members-show-support-transgender-athlete-lia-thomas
This is an editorial from the girl who came in third.
Why I’m Proud to Support Trans Athletes like Lia Thomas
https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-proud-support-trans-athletes-like-lia-thomas-opinion-1689192
And yet the second and third place winners still did a group picture with the girl who came fourth…
Falsified preferences for the benefit of social status.
Also interesting to see Thomas came 6th out of 6th in latest race. Perfectly possible to be real but others said he was going obviously slow. Can you bet on these races? No questions would be asked as the result would always be taken as a ‘See, there is no advantage!’. Despite his standing among men being 400 and something (Which is still pretty good) place before and even if he loses every race at this level in women’s competition he’s made some jump.
Pat Forde came out and said something to the effect that all this talk about protecting women’s sports came from people who mostly didn’t care. And I agree, the point is all the critics do care that something so obviously insane goes without challenge and the broader implications of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNrbtKb511Y
Sally is certainly making a strong case for herself:
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WilLia's first-place triumph was a feature story on Friday's NBC Nightly News With Lester Holt (online but I won't bother linking). The reporter lovingly recited fourth-place
loserparticipation trophy winner Brooke Forde's tongue bath of Mx. Thomas.Just like its predecessor, neo-Bolshevist ideology isn't just about Five Year Plans and figurative/literal cancellation of wreckers. Alchemical transformation of ethical gold into lead is just as important.
He does have nice thin ankles.
The UK National Health and the media are in another fit of hysteria. Because much of the non emergency health system was closed for more than 2 years because of covid hoax there’s a big backlog for postponed treatments.
There are 5,500 children desperately waiting for gender re assignment surgeries. And NHS is way behind on this essential desperately needed surgery.
That’s what NHS is so worried about. Not the backlog of cancer treatment retina surgery to prevent going blind and all the other medical treatments postponed.
Not that any of this matters in the scheme of things, but this really does fall into what I very recently described as absolutism. Stupid people apply absolute principles to things that are not absolute.
And half of humanity is stupid.
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No, half of humanity is not stupid. Most people manage their work and domestic lives passably. People who score well on psychometric tests are capable of making atrociously bad decisions. And people less intelligent that the author referenced do not have the skills to lie to themselves this way.
Correct. About 95% of humanity is stupid.
Thought I'd never see the day I agree with ol' Artipedia.
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https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-proud-support-trans-athletes-like-lia-thomas-opinion-1689192And yet the second and third place winners still did a group picture with the girl who came fourth...https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHYwYUaMAECcKo.jpgFalsified preferences for the benefit of social status.Also interesting to see Thomas came 6th out of 6th in latest race. Perfectly possible to be real but others said he was going obviously slow. Can you bet on these races? No questions would be asked as the result would always be taken as a 'See, there is no advantage!'. Despite his standing among men being 400 and something (Which is still pretty good) place before and even if he loses every race at this level in women's competition he's made some jump.Pat Forde came out and said something to the effect that all this talk about protecting women's sports came from people who mostly didn't care. And I agree, the point is all the critics do care that something so obviously insane goes without challenge and the broader implications of that.Replies: @Altai, @Danindc, @Mike Tre, @Rooster13, @ic1000, @Alden, @John Derbyshire
Here is the race itself. What are the true feelings of the commentators? Who knows but the Will Farrell comedy style dead-pan delivery is still funny. (And disturbing)
https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-proud-support-trans-athletes-like-lia-thomas-opinion-1689192And yet the second and third place winners still did a group picture with the girl who came fourth...https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHYwYUaMAECcKo.jpgFalsified preferences for the benefit of social status.Also interesting to see Thomas came 6th out of 6th in latest race. Perfectly possible to be real but others said he was going obviously slow. Can you bet on these races? No questions would be asked as the result would always be taken as a 'See, there is no advantage!'. Despite his standing among men being 400 and something (Which is still pretty good) place before and even if he loses every race at this level in women's competition he's made some jump.Pat Forde came out and said something to the effect that all this talk about protecting women's sports came from people who mostly didn't care. And I agree, the point is all the critics do care that something so obviously insane goes without challenge and the broader implications of that.Replies: @Altai, @Danindc, @Mike Tre, @Rooster13, @ic1000, @Alden, @John Derbyshire
Pat Forde is a guy who abandoned any principles he ever had to get and keep his media career. He follows the msm/pc party line. Total coward.
https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-proud-support-trans-athletes-like-lia-thomas-opinion-1689192And yet the second and third place winners still did a group picture with the girl who came fourth...https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHYwYUaMAECcKo.jpgFalsified preferences for the benefit of social status.Also interesting to see Thomas came 6th out of 6th in latest race. Perfectly possible to be real but others said he was going obviously slow. Can you bet on these races? No questions would be asked as the result would always be taken as a 'See, there is no advantage!'. Despite his standing among men being 400 and something (Which is still pretty good) place before and even if he loses every race at this level in women's competition he's made some jump.Pat Forde came out and said something to the effect that all this talk about protecting women's sports came from people who mostly didn't care. And I agree, the point is all the critics do care that something so obviously insane goes without challenge and the broader implications of that.Replies: @Altai, @Danindc, @Mike Tre, @Rooster13, @ic1000, @Alden, @John Derbyshire
“Hate to tell you, but in a way, everyone is trans.”
Sally is certainly making a strong case for herself:
Jenkins bio on Wiki contains this deep discussion of the 61-year old's personal life, who's spent her entire life in print media:Let's just say the last of curiosity is telling a story.Replies: @mc23
https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-proud-support-trans-athletes-like-lia-thomas-opinion-1689192And yet the second and third place winners still did a group picture with the girl who came fourth...https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHYwYUaMAECcKo.jpgFalsified preferences for the benefit of social status.Also interesting to see Thomas came 6th out of 6th in latest race. Perfectly possible to be real but others said he was going obviously slow. Can you bet on these races? No questions would be asked as the result would always be taken as a 'See, there is no advantage!'. Despite his standing among men being 400 and something (Which is still pretty good) place before and even if he loses every race at this level in women's competition he's made some jump.Pat Forde came out and said something to the effect that all this talk about protecting women's sports came from people who mostly didn't care. And I agree, the point is all the critics do care that something so obviously insane goes without challenge and the broader implications of that.Replies: @Altai, @Danindc, @Mike Tre, @Rooster13, @ic1000, @Alden, @John Derbyshire
It’s kind of ironic that the same people calling out others about not caring about the sport a couple of weeks ago, are the same ones calling for a world war over a country they didn’t care about a month ago. I’d say there’s a better argument for fighting the LGTBQ crowd over this injustice, than one U.S. soldier losing their life overseas.
Sally Jenkins is the one who wrote a book saying Lance Armstrong was not a cheater, ignoring the many pieces of strong evidence. And then when it came out he admitted it, she said she didn’t care. Narrative uber truth. And that is one strong narrative loving WaPo bitch.
https://www.velonews.com/culture/armstrong-biographer-still-doesnt-get/
Let’s see, daddy’s girl and career clone, a bit dyke-ish looking, eternally single. But that Stanford English degree paid off. To paraphrase Louis B. Mayer, “this woman could talk money out of an empty safe.”
Time for participation trophies in Women’s sports. After all . “I believe that treating people with respect and dignity is more important than any trophy or record will ever be, which is why I will not have a problem racing against Lia at NCAAs this year,” she said.
It sounds like Miss Jenkins might [ahem] welsh on that bet.
She means unsettling.
Wait till you see it in the language of Goethe:
Or in the language of Proust– and Derrida and Foucault:
I was lazy and used Google Translate; cut-and-paste beats stylus. Note how both tongues import the English clown. How fitting!
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It’s the
oldestnewest established permanent floatingcrap game in
New Yorkthe Ivy League…https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-proud-support-trans-athletes-like-lia-thomas-opinion-1689192And yet the second and third place winners still did a group picture with the girl who came fourth...https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHYwYUaMAECcKo.jpgFalsified preferences for the benefit of social status.Also interesting to see Thomas came 6th out of 6th in latest race. Perfectly possible to be real but others said he was going obviously slow. Can you bet on these races? No questions would be asked as the result would always be taken as a 'See, there is no advantage!'. Despite his standing among men being 400 and something (Which is still pretty good) place before and even if he loses every race at this level in women's competition he's made some jump.Pat Forde came out and said something to the effect that all this talk about protecting women's sports came from people who mostly didn't care. And I agree, the point is all the critics do care that something so obviously insane goes without challenge and the broader implications of that.Replies: @Altai, @Danindc, @Mike Tre, @Rooster13, @ic1000, @Alden, @John Derbyshire
Sally Jenkin’s lede —
raises this question —
The remainder of xer article answers with a resounding Yes.
WilLia’s first-place triumph was a feature story on Friday’s NBC Nightly News With Lester Holt (online but I won’t bother linking). The reporter lovingly recited fourth-place
loserparticipation trophy winner Brooke Forde’s tongue bath of Mx. Thomas.Just like its predecessor, neo-Bolshevist ideology isn’t just about Five Year Plans and figurative/literal cancellation of wreckers. Alchemical transformation of ethical gold into lead is just as important.
If the real point isn’t about winning, why do they hand out medals and confuse the issue?
Jenkins’ resort to Ad hominem replaces logos with pathos and ethos. On the arguments, she knows she lost.
I’d like to see what would happen to this freak if the girl he beat was the daughter of some oldschool Mafia or Mexican guy. The woke make their progress because they operate in a milquetoast culture.
Examples?
If you subtract the aim of becomingness ..
What possible meaning can be found in touching the wall first? Competitive swimmers should have their times adjusted for hairstyle.
But there is an amusing side to all of this. Ten or twenty years ago, women like Jenkins were doubtless defending womens' professional sport against "attacks by chauvinists." It was the feminist thing to do.
Now they're defending the admission of male eunuchs into these very sports. Male eunuchs are generally much stronger and fitter than women of the same height. So, if enough enter a particular womens'sport, they will tend to dominate it, to the detriment of actual women. The end result is that actual women will be discouraged from entering the sport, interest and sponsorship will collapse, and the sport will be dissolved.
If this continues, the end is in sight for womens' sports, not because of attacks by "male chauvinists", but by letting male eunuchs compete in them. The irony of this will be completely lost on Jenkins and her ilk. Their advocacy is helping destroy the very sports that they so recently defended.Replies: @White Guy In Japan, @Riptide, @Ripple Earthdevil, @The Wild Geese Howard, @old coyote, @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @SaneClownPosse
Good. Women’s sports are generally pointless.
Unless it’s hot Korean women golfers.
But there is an amusing side to all of this. Ten or twenty years ago, women like Jenkins were doubtless defending womens' professional sport against "attacks by chauvinists." It was the feminist thing to do.
Now they're defending the admission of male eunuchs into these very sports. Male eunuchs are generally much stronger and fitter than women of the same height. So, if enough enter a particular womens'sport, they will tend to dominate it, to the detriment of actual women. The end result is that actual women will be discouraged from entering the sport, interest and sponsorship will collapse, and the sport will be dissolved.
If this continues, the end is in sight for womens' sports, not because of attacks by "male chauvinists", but by letting male eunuchs compete in them. The irony of this will be completely lost on Jenkins and her ilk. Their advocacy is helping destroy the very sports that they so recently defended.Replies: @White Guy In Japan, @Riptide, @Ripple Earthdevil, @The Wild Geese Howard, @old coyote, @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @SaneClownPosse
“Now they’re defending the admission of male eunuchs into these very sports.”
Are they male eunuchs though? That used to be the rule and you saw very little of this kind of thing when that was true. They changed the rules so you no longer needed the op and could just lower your testosterone a bit (but still within the lower end of the male range).
I can’t help thinking that reverting back to the old rule which said “of course, trans-woman can compete, they just have to chop their penis and balls off beforehand” would clear up 99% of this.
Not that any of this matters in the scheme of things, but this really does fall into what I very recently described as absolutism. Stupid people apply absolute principles to things that are not absolute.
And half of humanity is stupid.
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Ignores the fact that highly competitive activity is engaged in by those at the far right hand of the curve.
Has it been mentioned anywhere on iSteve that you’ll note there are no female-to-“male” athletes suddenly dominating men’s sports? I’ve seen that meme floating around but don’t recall seeing it in these parts.
I suspect that’s a nice wrench to throw into the sophistic machinery of these true believers of gender being nothing but a social construct.
I’m in the group that thinks this is hilarious. 2nd in the new first place, this is clearly a farce, but it is reality-inducing so that’s a good thing as HBD is on full display. I don’t think anyone really considers “Lia” to be the winner.
OT, as far as hockey goes, I am always assumed that Blacks are untapped talent. In an efficient NHL, Blacks would compose a similar percentage of players as you see in the NBA. Hockey players, like NBA players, need to have explosiveness–quick burst of speed. They need situational awareness in the same way it is needed in the NBA–tracking that puck and those around them similar to skills needed to manage a basketball and provide fluid offense/defense. Blacks can handle the checking as well as Whites too.
If it weren’t for the fact hockey isn’t a Black cultural thing, they would dominate the sport.
The black NHLers have been average at best, so, no.
The left has its own jargon, derived from its central divine texts:
“becomingness” derives from her holiness Michelle Obama’s revealed tablet: “Becoming”
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/60334006-becoming
At least Lia won’t bleed in the water. Period.
I would like to shoot a squirt gun at a clown face- which amusement park does Jenkins moonlight at?
Our elites are determined to double down on this insane idea even as it’s becoming more and more obvious that a) it’s absurd, and b) it’s going to cause a massive surge in demand for mental health services for the tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of tormented individuals who bought into this concept as a balm for their various mental disorders.
My hope is it also triggers a number of successful and financially punitive civil lawsuits against the doctors, hospitals, and schools that enabled this.
Lea’s teammates went to their coach to say that Lea’s dick made them feel uncomfortable in the change room. The coach replied, ‘suck it up.’
It's hard not to smile.
How awesome is Katy Ledecky now that her 500 record is still out of Lia Thomas’ reach?
This is and always has been the dumbest sentence ever to appear in your average science text. What the hell does it even mean? That some men are Peter Dinklage and some men are Shawn Bradley? Some men have Jeff Bezos’s wealth and some men are street bums?
If it means what I think it means, then all it’s saying is that the differences in the averages of Group X and Group Y are smaller than the extreme differences within either (very large) group. BFD. It’s not entirely useless, but it is almost entirely misleading.
The next time a feminist complains about differences in pay between genders, remind her that differences in pay within genders are greater than the differences in pay between them. The next time a black man complains about alleged police mistreatment, remind him that the difference in the amount of police mistreatment between races is much less than the difference in police mistreatment within races.
From the Bee:
‘NCAA Swimming Champ Caught In Possession Of Performance-Enhancing Testicles’
Sally defending Bill Thomas is yet another obvious reason people like her should be given no forum to spout their idiocies. She’d be better locked up and the key thrown away.
Not that any of this matters in the scheme of things, but this really does fall into what I very recently described as absolutism. Stupid people apply absolute principles to things that are not absolute.
And half of humanity is stupid.
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The bell curve of IQ for white people has wide variation from top to bottom. This variation is wider than the difference between average IQ scores for whites and average IQ scores for blacks.
Thus the advantage of whites in IQ test shouldn’t be a problem, right?
I don’t know what you think, but I suspect Sally Jenkins would be scandalized at this suggestion.
This suggests that she isn’t thinking very clearly about the distinction between a wide variation in ability, and the difference in performance of the best of each of the two groups.
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Sally is a pale descendant of her late funny father Dan Jenkins who gave us sports books like Baja Oklahoma which included the immortal 10 Stages of Drunkenness.
1. Witty & Charming
2. Rich and Powerful
3. Benevolent
4. Clairvoyant
5. Fuck Dinner
6. Patriotic
7. Crank up the Enola Gay
8. Witty & Charming, Part II
9. Invisible
10. Bulletproof
Sally is certainly making a strong case for herself:
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Manjaw’s gonna manjaw.
The science is settled; in almost every sport spare some those judged on subjective scoring like figure skating, and others like gymanstics and possibly distance swimming, men have a phyical advantage because of more upper body strength . We once mocked female Chinese, East German and Russian olympians for taking steroids that altered their body chemistry to gain competitive advantage. This is no different. All the PC gobbygook doesn’t change that Will biologically is a man, and that gives him a huge physiological advantage competing with women.
The irrationality continues: Lia’s buddy, trans man Iszac Henig, competes on the Yale women’s team. I mean, wtf? W.T.F. He claims not to be on testosterone yet, but uses he/him pronouns and refers to his “boyhood.” My guess is that he hasn’t taken enough yet to disqualify. His deadname appears to have been wiped in a two- minute duck search but I coulda missed it. I wish I could find a good full-body photo of him as a her.. https://www.nytimespost.com/male-transgender-swimmer-iszac-henig-came-out-to-teammates-last-year-and-did-not-take-testosterone/
Also, people who use the reasonable talking point that “Lia has gone through puberty” blah blah blah are playing into the puberty-blocker argument.
I know that most studies suggest that mathematical and verbal prowess are correlated with a general level of intelligence g, but this is exhibit A for my contention that verbally skilled but mathematically challenged people are the greatest threats to human well being. Pride in ignorance, obfuscation, and sophistry of this level are only possible if one can play with language to the exclusion of all reason.
I blame Bruce Jenner for getting this tranny crap mainstreamed. Once the talking heads started referring to him as “her, she and caitlyn”, it was a done deal. Sorry Bruce, you’ll always be a guy no matter what you call yourself. Presenting yourself as an over-the-hill hag is a pathetic way to live your twilight years.
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“Huh?”
Exactly. Poking around in Sally Jenkins’ puddle of word vomit looking for meaning is a fool’s errand.
By that same argument, global warming is generally only supposed to be 2-5 degrees, F much less than the normal variation of temperature within a day. Does that mean that we should not worry about it?
There are vast empty expanses of media space and time to fill up between actual games, trades or signings, and women are admirably equipped to handle that busywork. They can justify anything, in 10,000 words or more.
Never mind that Lia Thomas looks more than sturdy enough to make the Pirates’ 40-ma, uh, 40-person roster
Maybe we should take the phrase “In God We Trust” off of our soon-to-be-worthless currency, and replace it with the cynical old Chinese maxim, “See a deer, [but] say a horse.”
Meanwhile…
Our prolific and observant host is far worthier than us schlubs to have his own Sailer’s Laws, but pardon my presumption in claiming at least one Law of my own.
This gem from the article,
“when is the last time you heard a doctor or any other expert say the words, “I don’t know”? But we don’t know. Therefore, to exclude trans athletes from elite competition, out of our own constricting fears and uncertainty, is wrong, harmfully so.”
is a near-perfect illustration of Germ’s Law: The most dangerous and terrifying word in the English language is the word “therefore” — especially when it’s used by an idiot.
Can we just get Michelle Phelps to suit up and be done with this?
I suggest a new term to describe this sort of argument – “verbal legerdemain,” or “rhetorical legerdemain.”
Hardly a 'new' term. Google has hundreds of prior uses.
A wise professor back in law school once told me that when the opposing lawyer makes a really stupid argument, don’t assume they are stupid until you have come up with a better argument for their side. “After all, they have to say something.” Yes, Sally Yates’ arguments are stupid, innumerate, and absurd. But until you can do better….
But, you ask, who is making her take the side that she can’t defend except through absurdity? I can nominate a couple of possibilities.
She mentions some irrelevant English professor and then, even more strangely, his wife. WTF. Maybe that’s Yates blinking the real message on her interrogation video. “I have to say this insane stuff, otherwise I will be socially ostracized by my peer group.” As a sports writer it’s her job to defend her social class’s absurdities.
But why is the optimate class trapped into this losing position? (there’s a lot of polling data that defending trans women in female sports is a HUGE loser). I think it’s a result of them winning too much. Back in the day, society was really tough on gays. There was a lot of injustice in how they were treated, especially against the lack of visible immediate harm they caused. So the elite rallied to defend them. Then the elite started thinking of their identity as being the wise, tolerant ones, as opposed to the vile intolerant masses. But now the vile intolerant masses have agreed to let gays marry, be in the military, etc. So how are the elite better than them any more? They have to adopt a position the masses reject to distinguish themselves and their superior tolerance. The logic of that evolution leads to more and more extreme positions.
So the terrible choice: either sweep all the science books off the table, and ignore facts about hand size and bone density, or admit that they aren’t a morally superior species compared to the proles.
But as fantasies get more extreme, eventually reality crashes in. At some point, Girl-boss Mania can’t obscure the fact that Theranos’ machine doesn’t work. Seems like there’s a good chance reality is coming for the elite ideology in the ’22 and ’24 elections.
Not anymore Sally. Not anymore. It is absurd to think that a man who claims to be a woman actually IS a woman.
The real “aim and value” of NCAA competition is to force normal people to accept obvious absurdities, as an assertion of the Ruling Class globohomo cultural dominance.
The emperor has no clothes. They have all gone insane. I don’t know what the end game is here, but those at the top in the US have lost it. How long can a society survive when it’s elites have cracked? When they no longer deal in reality? If this is America, then we no longer deserve to be a nation.
Dan Jenkins was an actual sports writer
The best! Nice Catholic girl. I pray she stays away from the pozz.
The people who defend Lia are either grifters or some combination of indoctrinated and intimidated. Arguing with them is a waste of time.
Sally Jenkins is proof that the apple can not only fall far from the tree, but all the way over in a different orchard.
I often wonder how she related to her father, whose football novels had the word ni&&er on every third page.
But there is an amusing side to all of this. Ten or twenty years ago, women like Jenkins were doubtless defending womens' professional sport against "attacks by chauvinists." It was the feminist thing to do.
Now they're defending the admission of male eunuchs into these very sports. Male eunuchs are generally much stronger and fitter than women of the same height. So, if enough enter a particular womens'sport, they will tend to dominate it, to the detriment of actual women. The end result is that actual women will be discouraged from entering the sport, interest and sponsorship will collapse, and the sport will be dissolved.
If this continues, the end is in sight for womens' sports, not because of attacks by "male chauvinists", but by letting male eunuchs compete in them. The irony of this will be completely lost on Jenkins and her ilk. Their advocacy is helping destroy the very sports that they so recently defended.Replies: @White Guy In Japan, @Riptide, @Ripple Earthdevil, @The Wild Geese Howard, @old coyote, @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @SaneClownPosse
WilLIAm Thomas is no eunuch. Actual female swimmers forced to share their locker room with this troll report that he still very much has his ding-a-ling thing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10350803/UPenn-swimmers-considered-boycotting-final-meet-transgender-teammate-Lia-Thomas.html
Is it possible that, "Lia's," entire shtick is a deeply autistic, misguided ploy to enter the presence of two dozen attractive young hardbodies for courting purposes?
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steve sailer wrote:
These days? Ah, no….humans are social animals…EO Wilson called them the ape that adopted the social model of the ant/bee/termite…look at our big cities…the very picture of a bee hive/ant colony…we are thus evolved to be highly conformist and to have our behaviors and thoughts be molded by tribal leaders…we have always been told who are the good guys and bad guys…and we accept that, just as birds have wings to fly and a fish has fins to swim…the mind of man is only rational in certain well defined and circumscribed areas…
Religion could be a way to create beauty in meaning by distracting us from the rather dreary reality of the human condition.Replies: @Anon
“Lia” Thomas and Jussie Smollet are our heroes now, since they push the Woke hysteria which controls the mainstream media beyond the sustainable limits of absurdity. They might help the burst the bubble of Woke hysteria among the mainstream elite. What can we do to keep them in the media spotlight? “Lia” Thomas has already copped on, and is deliberately losing races he/she could easily win. Smollet, bless him, is still clueless about his impact.
We really need a whole team of ex-men to take over the U.S. women’s soccer team. They do not actually have to be that talented as male soccer players, just willing to claim that they feel like girls inside.
Paul Joseph Watson likes to bring up that the US women's soccer team lost to a high school state champion boy's team. So no, they would not need to be Euro-level pros to dominate the pitch. Let it happen, and let the US enter them in international tournaments. Let the rest of the globe see how far globohomo has gone, in case they didn't know. Maybe if mainstream Europeans complained, American bien-pensant liberals would wake up.
Accelerationism always seemed like a cyclical cope to me, but maybe it's a legitimate strategy. Give them "equality" good and hard.
Trannies making a mockery of women’s sport, however disgusting, is actually a very, very positive development.
Its blinking neon light absurdity is the perfect advertisement for the “the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many” ethos of minoritarianism.
Obviously minoritarianism was not created and pushed for this “few”, but for the Jew few–a classic “what’s good for the Jews”. America had to be reordered to make Jews comfortable, happy, dominant–with of course a big dose “we’re going to rub those pitchfork wielding peasants’ noses in it” hostility from some of the propagandists.
But once you make such a toxic, upside down ideology dominant, every minority–every outlier, every weirdo–figures it out and clamors to climb aboard.
I’d honestly thought the whole homosexual marriage thing would disgust enough normies. “Leave us alone and we’ll keep it out of the road” would be within the American tradition of tolerance, but “you must watch and give us your public blessing certainly is not. But America–weakened by the minoritarian rot–rolled over. (Of course, it was again–as with most else–elite forced, not democratically decided.)
But maybe the sheer absurdity of trannies beating the crap out of girls, will wake some people up?
Organizing society for the benefit–heck the privilege–of minorities, rather than continuance and prospering of the nation core normal productive people, and their culture, traditions, norms … it is insanity. A death sentence for a nation.
I don't know if all of Key and Peal's skits are anywhere near that funny, but the ensemble cast portraying the Johnson Family had me in stitches. White America might "roll over" on gay marriage, but members of the Johnson Family were absolutely uninhibited in asking their questions and expressing their skepticism.
As is organizing society for the benefit of the elderly.
Seems like the most likely people to be trans are GOP members — Lady Graham and Bruce Jenner among them. That’s why I’m a proud democrat.
But when N=2 I should say something.
Sen. Graham isn't trans, or at least no one seriously says so. So your N=1.
Until you come up with a poll or reliable survey, shut your yap on this.Replies: @Bill Jones
“No, half of humanity is not stupid.”
Correct. About 95% of humanity is stupid.
Thought I’d never see the day I agree with ol’ Artipedia.
But there is an amusing side to all of this. Ten or twenty years ago, women like Jenkins were doubtless defending womens' professional sport against "attacks by chauvinists." It was the feminist thing to do.
Now they're defending the admission of male eunuchs into these very sports. Male eunuchs are generally much stronger and fitter than women of the same height. So, if enough enter a particular womens'sport, they will tend to dominate it, to the detriment of actual women. The end result is that actual women will be discouraged from entering the sport, interest and sponsorship will collapse, and the sport will be dissolved.
If this continues, the end is in sight for womens' sports, not because of attacks by "male chauvinists", but by letting male eunuchs compete in them. The irony of this will be completely lost on Jenkins and her ilk. Their advocacy is helping destroy the very sports that they so recently defended.Replies: @White Guy In Japan, @Riptide, @Ripple Earthdevil, @The Wild Geese Howard, @old coyote, @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @SaneClownPosse
Well, women’s sports certainly do have some ends in sight….
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And you, Sally, are no Damon RunyonReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jim Don Bob, @ScarletNumber
LOL Sally isn’t even Dan Jenkins
I’m thinking the left will be walking back the trans thing for a long time. How can an identity based on sex, race, etc. be the most important thing if it can be changed via declaration? The trans thing wrecks identity politics in a way that can’t be allowed to stand.
I've got a hunch this would end it for "trans athletes."Replies: @Mike Tre, @Rohirrimborn
That's why you can't announce that you're transsexual or transracial to make a point and make them treat you the way they treat Thomas. They'll just withhold the status that they freely give to anyone they believe is sincere and politically useful.
Its blinking neon light absurdity is the perfect advertisement for the "the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many" ethos of minoritarianism.
Obviously minoritarianism was not created and pushed for this "few", but for the Jew few--a classic "what's good for the Jews". America had to be reordered to make Jews comfortable, happy, dominant--with of course a big dose "we're going to rub those pitchfork wielding peasants' noses in it" hostility from some of the propagandists.
But once you make such a toxic, upside down ideology dominant, every minority--every outlier, every weirdo--figures it out and clamors to climb aboard.
I'd honestly thought the whole homosexual marriage thing would disgust enough normies. "Leave us alone and we'll keep it out of the road" would be within the American tradition of tolerance, but "you must watch and give us your public blessing certainly is not. But America--weakened by the minoritarian rot--rolled over. (Of course, it was again--as with most else--elite forced, not democratically decided.)
But maybe the sheer absurdity of trannies beating the crap out of girls, will wake some people up?
Organizing society for the benefit--heck the privilege--of minorities, rather than continuance and prospering of the nation core normal productive people, and their culture, traditions, norms ... it is insanity. A death sentence for a nation.Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Mike Tre
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I don’t know if all of Key and Peal’s skits are anywhere near that funny, but the ensemble cast portraying the Johnson Family had me in stitches. White America might “roll over” on gay marriage, but members of the Johnson Family were absolutely uninhibited in asking their questions and expressing their skepticism.
The proper Whitman quote is “contains multitudes” not “has multitudes in them”, as any professional writer should know.
Maybe Allison Glock is inadvertently divulging personal information.
Well...
"My name is Legion," said the demon to Jesus, "for we are many."
I used to work in college athletics. Whenever we wrote a bio of a male coach, the last paragraph would invariable be about their family. That paragraph would go unwritten with the vast majority of the female coaches. Now, if you go to Sally’s Wikipedia bio, there is no mention of a family anywhere, which is a deafening silence.
This you’re “afraid” thing–usually put forward as “fear” or one of XYX “phobias”–is annoying. It’s the lefty/minoritarian attempt to pathologize or infantilize normal healthy responses from normal people.
No one is “afraid” of this Thomas character. They find him annoying. Or what he’s doing simply “wrong”.
Likewise, this “homophobia” trope. I don’t “fear” homosexuals, i–like most normally wired guys–find them ugly and perverse. (Especially, compared to the beauty of male-female complementarity.) I simply don’t want to have their dysfunction rubbed in my face, or be forced to “celebrate” it. It’s “homodisgust” or “homoaversion”.
Or “Islamophobia”. No, i don’t fear Muslims. I just don’t want them around–in my nation or in the West. (I’ve found them perfectly pleasant to deal with on a personal level in their nations.) Islam is simply a different civilization and traditionally the antagonist civilization of Western Christian civilization. And Western Christianity is a) my civilization and b) by any objective measure superior a producing human flourishing. I don’t “fear” Muslims, i just don’t want them in the West, because they–and the inevitable contention they’ll bring–will damage the West. I.e. “they are bad for us”.
Fear != disgust, anger, aesthetic rejection, or much less simply sound judgment that something is “bad for us” or “not in our interest”.
If I get to pick my pronouns I should get to pick my suffix. How about Trans-odi?
Latin words for hate/dislike
odio - dislike
odium - hatred, odium, dislike, ill will, spite
odi -loathe, detest, dislike, be displeased, be disgusted
invideo- envy, grudge, begrudge, overlook, refuse
odeo- dislike
contemno- despise, scorn, condemn, disparage, belittle
perodi- loathe
Yes, kind of like you with regard to The Ukraine.
Indeed.
I'm fascinated to know what decisions I've made wrt the Ukraine.
But there is an amusing side to all of this. Ten or twenty years ago, women like Jenkins were doubtless defending womens' professional sport against "attacks by chauvinists." It was the feminist thing to do.
Now they're defending the admission of male eunuchs into these very sports. Male eunuchs are generally much stronger and fitter than women of the same height. So, if enough enter a particular womens'sport, they will tend to dominate it, to the detriment of actual women. The end result is that actual women will be discouraged from entering the sport, interest and sponsorship will collapse, and the sport will be dissolved.
If this continues, the end is in sight for womens' sports, not because of attacks by "male chauvinists", but by letting male eunuchs compete in them. The irony of this will be completely lost on Jenkins and her ilk. Their advocacy is helping destroy the very sports that they so recently defended.Replies: @White Guy In Japan, @Riptide, @Ripple Earthdevil, @The Wild Geese Howard, @old coyote, @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @SaneClownPosse
is the mentally ill sadist tranny an actual eunuch, or still clinging to his junk?
Can any reader shine a light on this point, or will the search be pointless.
It's the old lawyer joke: When you don't have the facts, argue the law; when you don't have the law, argue the facts; when you don't have the law or the facts, pound the table.Replies: @Russ, @Brutusale
Maybe Allison Glock is inadvertently divulging personal information.Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @International Jew
“every person has multitudes in them,” as Cooper’s wife, journalist Allison Glock, observed in her own work.”
Well…
“My name is Legion,” said the demon to Jesus, “for we are many.”
This is really bizarre. This man should not be competing in women’s tournaments.
The whole “trans” thing is just a complete travesty that makes no sense.
Such madness could only happen in America.
Europe is decadent in many ways, and they did have a “bearded lady” on Eurovision a few years ago, but I doubt they are planning to accept a transvestite men in female competitive sports any time soon. But I could be wrong. After all, like the Ukraine, they are an American colony.
Its blinking neon light absurdity is the perfect advertisement for the "the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many" ethos of minoritarianism.
Obviously minoritarianism was not created and pushed for this "few", but for the Jew few--a classic "what's good for the Jews". America had to be reordered to make Jews comfortable, happy, dominant--with of course a big dose "we're going to rub those pitchfork wielding peasants' noses in it" hostility from some of the propagandists.
But once you make such a toxic, upside down ideology dominant, every minority--every outlier, every weirdo--figures it out and clamors to climb aboard.
I'd honestly thought the whole homosexual marriage thing would disgust enough normies. "Leave us alone and we'll keep it out of the road" would be within the American tradition of tolerance, but "you must watch and give us your public blessing certainly is not. But America--weakened by the minoritarian rot--rolled over. (Of course, it was again--as with most else--elite forced, not democratically decided.)
But maybe the sheer absurdity of trannies beating the crap out of girls, will wake some people up?
Organizing society for the benefit--heck the privilege--of minorities, rather than continuance and prospering of the nation core normal productive people, and their culture, traditions, norms ... it is insanity. A death sentence for a nation.Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Mike Tre
“Organizing society for the benefit–heck the privilege–of minorities, rather than continuance and prospering of the nation core normal productive people, and their culture, traditions, norms … it is insanity. A death sentence for a nation. ”
As is organizing society for the benefit of the elderly.
Sally Jenkins is 61. She has been named one of the nations top sports columnists, inducted into the National Sportscasters and Sportswriters Hall of Fame. She is a very accomplished woman.
At what point in her life did she realize that people born with testicles were actually women just like her? Just because?
It’s a take of George Orwell’s concept of Doublethink in 1984.
“Doublethink is a process of indoctrination whereby the subject is expected to simultaneously accept two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in contravention to one’s own memories or sense of reality.”
The photo with the 3 real women off to the side suggests how women will accommodate trannies dominating their sports. Trannies will be accepted, since women must virtue signal. But the girls will also recognize on the side, with photos and group hugs, who the real winners were. The trannie will be treated like a special kid who gets to play on the same field but on their own level.
Nothing is too absurd to be accepted.
Looking ahead on the agenda, we have equality and inclusion for pedophiles, murderers, animals, people who are transforming into animals (if I am transforming into a horse, I might demand the right to a stall instead of a cubicle at work), etc.
Thanks your comment made me laugh and laugh.
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I’m not trans and I will sue anyone who says I am. This guy (the subject, William, not the author) is an idiot who cheats because he can’t compete. Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer was sparring with little kids in his karate class.
I think I’ll start identifying as retarded and win some gold in the Special Olympics.
Unless you have something to hide...
My advice? Like the dude, just abide.
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Thank you God for making me a hedgehog.
Swimming is a rather white sport. I’m waiting for a sports event where one of these white trans women comes along and displaces a black female. Should be fun.
And Twitter will be fun to observe that day.
Leftists would rather tie themselves into absurd intellectual pretzels rather than admit any human behavior is simply WRONG.
No one is "afraid" of this Thomas character. They find him annoying. Or what he's doing simply "wrong".
Likewise, this "homophobia" trope. I don't "fear" homosexuals, i--like most normally wired guys--find them ugly and perverse. (Especially, compared to the beauty of male-female complementarity.) I simply don't want to have their dysfunction rubbed in my face, or be forced to "celebrate" it. It's "homodisgust" or "homoaversion".
Or "Islamophobia". No, i don't fear Muslims. I just don't want them around--in my nation or in the West. (I've found them perfectly pleasant to deal with on a personal level in their nations.) Islam is simply a different civilization and traditionally the antagonist civilization of Western Christian civilization. And Western Christianity is a) my civilization and b) by any objective measure superior a producing human flourishing. I don't "fear" Muslims, i just don't want them in the West, because they--and the inevitable contention they'll bring--will damage the West. I.e. "they are bad for us".
Fear != disgust, anger, aesthetic rejection, or much less simply sound judgment that something is "bad for us" or "not in our interest".Replies: @mc23
I too get tired of the “Phobia” suffix. It’s really so inaccurate. Latin has so many options to describe how you really feel.
If I get to pick my pronouns I should get to pick my suffix. How about Trans-odi?
Latin words for hate/dislike
odio – dislike
odium – hatred, odium, dislike, ill will, spite
odi -loathe, detest, dislike, be displeased, be disgusted
invideo- envy, grudge, begrudge, overlook, refuse
odeo- dislike
contemno- despise, scorn, condemn, disparage, belittle
perodi- loathe
I haven’t much faith in media reporting of the facts. The Communist Party news was Pravda. One can still get it on line apparently and also in print. In Russian, pravda means truth.
For a laugh, consider the New York Truth or the Washington Truth instead of the NY Times or Washington Post.
So, it’s okay to have transsexuals compete against women because they have been neutered? You heard it first in Pravda. . . .
I’m glad that doesn’t apply to foreign policy, or they might engineer a moral panic around Russia and Putin!
Not that any of this matters in the scheme of things, but this really does fall into what I very recently described as absolutism. Stupid people apply absolute principles to things that are not absolute.
And half of humanity is stupid.
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It’s right there in the word rationality. Being rational mean acknowleding and weighing ratios. Being an adherent of “socially constructed” stupidity means using the “black or white” fallacy to label things according to social rules. There’s a lot of that around lately.
“As Damon Runyon said, “The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that’s the way to bet.”
What a great quote. Apparently, I need to check out more of what Damon had to say.
What’s amazing to me in this whole tranny controversy is that “real” women are still competing against this dude. Why??? They surely know they have zero chance of winning. It’s as absurd as if Usain Bolt put on a wig and declared himself a woman, and then wanted to race against real women. Any woman in the race would know that the race would be a complete farce in terms of true competition.
Apparently 7 natural-women competed against this dude in the championship. I say that all 7 should’ve protested the lunacy of this whole charade and boycotted the event. That would’ve gotten more news than the media celebrating this freak.
But there is an amusing side to all of this. Ten or twenty years ago, women like Jenkins were doubtless defending womens' professional sport against "attacks by chauvinists." It was the feminist thing to do.
Now they're defending the admission of male eunuchs into these very sports. Male eunuchs are generally much stronger and fitter than women of the same height. So, if enough enter a particular womens'sport, they will tend to dominate it, to the detriment of actual women. The end result is that actual women will be discouraged from entering the sport, interest and sponsorship will collapse, and the sport will be dissolved.
If this continues, the end is in sight for womens' sports, not because of attacks by "male chauvinists", but by letting male eunuchs compete in them. The irony of this will be completely lost on Jenkins and her ilk. Their advocacy is helping destroy the very sports that they so recently defended.Replies: @White Guy In Japan, @Riptide, @Ripple Earthdevil, @The Wild Geese Howard, @old coyote, @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @SaneClownPosse
The funny part is that their pro-trans rationalization merely reduces the difference between men and women to the presence or absence of the performance enhancing drug testosterone.
Thus, they have officially defined women as nothing but inferior, testosterone-deficient males.
For decades, feminists have claimed that women can do anything that a man can do. One of the good things about this whole trans nonsense is that the world can now see that the feminists were full of crap. Just as there are biological differences between the races there are also biological differences between the sexes.
Sunisa Lee, of Auburn University, is a champion gymnast. She is 5 feet tall and hails from St. Paul Minnesota.
I would like to see an Auburn U football player or transsexual gymnast compete against her. No problem, right?
No better summary of our times, of our malaise.
My hope is it also triggers a number of successful and financially punitive civil lawsuits against the doctors, hospitals, and schools that enabled this.Replies: @res
Agreed, but how about adding politicians, lawyers, and journalists to that list?
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Yes, kind of like you with regard to The Ukraine.
I’m fascinated to know what decisions I’ve made wrt the Ukraine.
So, Ms. Jenkins favors the Harlem Globetrotters model of basketball rather than the NBA?
When you spot Word Salad gibberish you know it was written by a college educated female. Or a male who thinks like a Woke Female word merchant.
The Washington Post opinion section seems to be full of nothing but.
“ interesting valuable and meaningful “. I don’t think meaningful is a real word. If it is, it’s a recently created nonsense liberal academic word.
Usually it’s used in terms boasting about saving the earth by trying to gag down disgusting soy milk instead of evil cow milk because cows are destroying Mother Gia however it’s spelled. Or buying a $60,000 car electric car and sneering at poor people who drive 12 year old cars that use gasoline
Those soy milk morons and vegans are too brainwashed and ignorant to realize that crops use up much much more if mother earth’s precious resources than cows do.
Think about it. Tractors plowing harrowing and discing Seeds grown in nurseries that use up vast amounts of energy. Then processed into bags and trucked to wholesalers retailers and farms. Then the planting weed removal spreading fertilizer killing the weeds killing the insects that would devour one third to 40 percent of the crop if not killed by pesticides.
More tractors and machinery for harvest. Then trucking to factories processing into disgusting soybean juice and all the fuel involved in getting it to overpriced organic liberal status symbol stores.
Meaningful mindful academese sounds like it’s been google translated thru 3 different languages.Replies: @Anon
Compare Carl Schmitt (as interpreted by Graham Harman) in which “Human life is about struggling for the essence of who you are, and this happens most vividly in the famous ‘state of exception’, when the sovereign proclaims an existential struggle with the enemy”.
But there is an amusing side to all of this. Ten or twenty years ago, women like Jenkins were doubtless defending womens' professional sport against "attacks by chauvinists." It was the feminist thing to do.
Now they're defending the admission of male eunuchs into these very sports. Male eunuchs are generally much stronger and fitter than women of the same height. So, if enough enter a particular womens'sport, they will tend to dominate it, to the detriment of actual women. The end result is that actual women will be discouraged from entering the sport, interest and sponsorship will collapse, and the sport will be dissolved.
If this continues, the end is in sight for womens' sports, not because of attacks by "male chauvinists", but by letting male eunuchs compete in them. The irony of this will be completely lost on Jenkins and her ilk. Their advocacy is helping destroy the very sports that they so recently defended.Replies: @White Guy In Japan, @Riptide, @Ripple Earthdevil, @The Wild Geese Howard, @old coyote, @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @SaneClownPosse
You are unduly optimistic.
They are not eunuchs.
https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-proud-support-trans-athletes-like-lia-thomas-opinion-1689192And yet the second and third place winners still did a group picture with the girl who came fourth...https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHYwYUaMAECcKo.jpgFalsified preferences for the benefit of social status.Also interesting to see Thomas came 6th out of 6th in latest race. Perfectly possible to be real but others said he was going obviously slow. Can you bet on these races? No questions would be asked as the result would always be taken as a 'See, there is no advantage!'. Despite his standing among men being 400 and something (Which is still pretty good) place before and even if he loses every race at this level in women's competition he's made some jump.Pat Forde came out and said something to the effect that all this talk about protecting women's sports came from people who mostly didn't care. And I agree, the point is all the critics do care that something so obviously insane goes without challenge and the broader implications of that.Replies: @Altai, @Danindc, @Mike Tre, @Rooster13, @ic1000, @Alden, @John Derbyshire
Look at him! That overly muscled weight lifter’s steroid enhanced neck, that adam’s apple, that square jaw those hands. He does not even try to look female ish. No woman in the world, even Venus Williams ever had a neck like that. How tall is he? 6’4?
He does have nice thin ankles.
The UK National Health and the media are in another fit of hysteria. Because much of the non emergency health system was closed for more than 2 years because of covid hoax there’s a big backlog for postponed treatments.
There are 5,500 children desperately waiting for gender re assignment surgeries. And NHS is way behind on this essential desperately needed surgery.
That’s what NHS is so worried about. Not the backlog of cancer treatment retina surgery to prevent going blind and all the other medical treatments postponed.
Nothing is too absurd to be accepted.
Looking ahead on the agenda, we have equality and inclusion for pedophiles, murderers, animals, people who are transforming into animals (if I am transforming into a horse, I might demand the right to a stall instead of a cubicle at work), etc.Replies: @Bill Jones, @Alden, @Stan Adams
And will they get their very own special short bus? Extra tall version of course.
https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-proud-support-trans-athletes-like-lia-thomas-opinion-1689192And yet the second and third place winners still did a group picture with the girl who came fourth...https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHYwYUaMAECcKo.jpgFalsified preferences for the benefit of social status.Also interesting to see Thomas came 6th out of 6th in latest race. Perfectly possible to be real but others said he was going obviously slow. Can you bet on these races? No questions would be asked as the result would always be taken as a 'See, there is no advantage!'. Despite his standing among men being 400 and something (Which is still pretty good) place before and even if he loses every race at this level in women's competition he's made some jump.Pat Forde came out and said something to the effect that all this talk about protecting women's sports came from people who mostly didn't care. And I agree, the point is all the critics do care that something so obviously insane goes without challenge and the broader implications of that.Replies: @Altai, @Danindc, @Mike Tre, @Rooster13, @ic1000, @Alden, @John Derbyshire
“Call a deer a horse” https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/2020-12.html#06a
A letter from Virginia Tech swimmer Reka Gyorgy is discussed on Twitter in this thread by Mary Margaret Olohan.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
https://spandrell.com/2015/06/03/the-purpose-of-absurdity/
He makes the point that the moral of the [apparently historically-based] tale referenced by this Chinese proverb is almost exactly the opposite of that of the [fictional] Emperor's New Clothes. Hmm...
Also Havel's greengrocer, of course.
And this -- the main blog post is an interesting model for how dictator-focused personality cults function, and why they tend to exhibit a sort of rhetorical "ratchet effect," that's worth reading on its own:
https://abandonedfootnotes.blogspot.com/2011/03/simple-model-of-cults-of-personality.html
But this comment from "AC" is more directly relevant:
Thought experiment: suppose that instead of a single dictator, there is an elite class, which has general control over most cultural organs and elite institutions but whose political ascendancy is somewhat tenuous. Like the dictator, it will want signals of loyalty (both for determining loyalties and because of general ingroup/ outgroup dynamics.) But because it’s not a single dictator, the signal can’t just be “the Generalissimo is awesome.” Instead, the shibboleth would be particular statements, or articles of faith, that are known to be supported by the ruling class.
Of course, making the shibboleth a mathematical axiom would be pointless; if nothing else, non-loyal mathematicians would be misperceived as loyal elites. The signal must be costly. So the articles of faith must be faintly ridiculous; easily challengeable on the facts, so that only people really devoted would at first make those claims. (Of course they can’t be obviously false either, else the integrity of the ruling class would also be called into question.)
Like cults of personality, there is a ratchet effect. As the elite becomes more entrenched, the shibboleths, while never changing in form (too costly to coordinate), will ever increase in intensity and audaciousness. And the enforcement of the party line will be strongest in educational institutions where the future members of the elite class are trained. It would be considered a matter of proper education – like the finishing schools of old – when “politically incorrect” thoughts in these institutions are mercilessly squelched.
Not a bad analogy. And it sounds... kind of familiar. Of course, over time, it's easy to see how the "ratchet effect" might eventually bump up against the "shibboleths can't be obviously false" constraint... which seems like what we're starting to see in the current year.
What a great quote. Apparently, I need to check out more of what Damon had to say.
What’s amazing to me in this whole tranny controversy is that “real” women are still competing against this dude. Why??? They surely know they have zero chance of winning. It’s as absurd as if Usain Bolt put on a wig and declared himself a woman, and then wanted to race against real women. Any woman in the race would know that the race would be a complete farce in terms of true competition.
Apparently 7 natural-women competed against this dude in the championship. I say that all 7 should’ve protested the lunacy of this whole charade and boycotted the event. That would’ve gotten more news than the media celebrating this freak.Replies: @Danindc
They should’ve all lined up to swim and when the gun sounded just stayed at the starting blocks and let Lia swim by herself. That would’ve been hilarious
For sure. The list of people that deserve punishment is quite long.
Excellent Point ( or No Point, as the case may be !)
Can any reader shine a light on this point, or will the search be pointless.
https://youtube.com/user/lexyz888Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
“The World’s Most Elaborate Personal Ads” …
Not that any of this matters in the scheme of things, but this really does fall into what I very recently described as absolutism. Stupid people apply absolute principles to things that are not absolute.
And half of humanity is stupid.
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Baffling. I can’t imagine the writer, or any of her readers, finding that fact baffling.
There is simply no lie too stupid to tell.
Still clinging to his junk. That’s, in part, why the “defense” of his participation is so strenuous–his sex (or gender, if you must) is not in doubt. It’s all about defending identity and ideology–not about biology or reality, the facts as they “present” themselves. This is the ground where they take their stand, this is the hill to defend against.
It’s the old lawyer joke: When you don’t have the facts, argue the law; when you don’t have the law, argue the facts; when you don’t have the law or the facts, pound the table.
Speaks volumes about the fathers of Penn's female swimmers.
https://babylonbee.com/news/nike-releases-new-womens-swimsuit-with-extra-space-for-male-genitaliaReplies: @Reg Cæsar
“Stupid Indefensible theories hide behind insane theorizing and gobbleydeygook.”
The same sort of people use the same thing excusing and rationalizing black crime, They always work in the word “fear.”
Sportswriters have had zero influence for a long time. I remember reading how indignant they were about the lackluster seats that Steinbrenner assigned to them at the new Yankee Stadium.
Sally is certainly making a strong case for herself:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CcgECVW32vM/maxresdefault.jpgReplies: @Moses, @Forbes, @Veteran Aryan
As with alleged crime suspects, where any perp description is omitted, and the reader is left to figure out the omission, the same is true for Jenkins.
Jenkins bio on Wiki contains this deep discussion of the 61-year old’s personal life, who’s spent her entire life in print media:
Let’s just say the last of curiosity is telling a story.
What will happen if a white male sprinter becomes a “trans” and starts beating black females in the sprints?
I’ve got a hunch this would end it for “trans athletes.”
When you spot Word Salad gibberish you know it was written by a college educated female. Or a male who thinks like a Woke Female word merchant.
The Washington Post opinion section seems to be full of nothing but.Replies: @Alden
“Calibrate” does the witch even know what the word means? It’s make judgements moron.
“ interesting valuable and meaningful “. I don’t think meaningful is a real word. If it is, it’s a recently created nonsense liberal academic word.
Usually it’s used in terms boasting about saving the earth by trying to gag down disgusting soy milk instead of evil cow milk because cows are destroying Mother Gia however it’s spelled. Or buying a $60,000 car electric car and sneering at poor people who drive 12 year old cars that use gasoline
Those soy milk morons and vegans are too brainwashed and ignorant to realize that crops use up much much more if mother earth’s precious resources than cows do.
Think about it. Tractors plowing harrowing and discing Seeds grown in nurseries that use up vast amounts of energy. Then processed into bags and trucked to wholesalers retailers and farms. Then the planting weed removal spreading fertilizer killing the weeds killing the insects that would devour one third to 40 percent of the crop if not killed by pesticides.
More tractors and machinery for harvest. Then trucking to factories processing into disgusting soybean juice and all the fuel involved in getting it to overpriced organic liberal status symbol stores.
Meaningful mindful academese sounds like it’s been google translated thru 3 different languages.
Sure, it’s silly to waste time rebutting you.
But when N=2 I should say something.
Sen. Graham isn’t trans, or at least no one seriously says so. So your N=1.
Until you come up with a poll or reliable survey, shut your yap on this.
Not that any of this matters in the scheme of things, but this really does fall into what I very recently described as absolutism. Stupid people apply absolute principles to things that are not absolute.
And half of humanity is stupid.
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What I think she means, apparently, though I’m not sure, is that while men on average are 5-6 inches taller than women, the tallest woman on earth is 3 1.2 to 4 feet taller than the shortest man, who is a midget. The precise numbers are irrelevant.
If she’s referring to the sexes not as groups but as individuals, then her claim is not only false, obviously, but ridiculous. It’s true that the tallest woman on earth is much taller than the shortest man, even if dwarfs are excluded, but the tallest man is inches taller than the tallest woman, possibly even close to or over a foot tatter, and even taller than the shortest man and woman as is the tallest woman.
Nothing is too absurd to be accepted.
Looking ahead on the agenda, we have equality and inclusion for pedophiles, murderers, animals, people who are transforming into animals (if I am transforming into a horse, I might demand the right to a stall instead of a cubicle at work), etc.Replies: @Bill Jones, @Alden, @Stan Adams
Do you plan to eats lots and lots of fiber and poop and pee right in your stall for the janitor to clean up? You’ll need a special accommodation huge size keyboard sized for your hooves. You can be all nervous and afraid of getting into the elevator.
Thanks your comment made me laugh and laugh.
Jenkins’ obfuscatory piece was just missing “was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?”
It appears that Jenkins doesn’t know that Thomas was a middling male intercollegiate swimmer before becoming the best female swimmer in the country overnight. He discovered who he was competing against other men and decided he didn’t like it.
True, but Rachel Levine, truly a hag, parlayed being PA’s health director into being a 4 star admiral in the NHS, where she is now no doubt planning to lead an amphibious Black Sea landing to foil the dastardly Russkies.
With trepidation, a few uni students are starting to call a deer a… deer.
A letter from Virginia Tech swimmer Reka Gyorgy is discussed on Twitter in this thread by Mary Margaret Olohan.
It's great that she doesn't fear speaking out (can the Biden Administration deport her?), but she should go further. This is a particularly Anglo-Saxon perversion, and our counterpart of the sick German-born ideology that Slavs imposed upon the Magyars for decades. She should call it out as such.Replies: @ic1000
The entire edifice of athletic scholarships is bogus. Europeans scratch their heads at it as most great jocks are not simultaneously great scholars. This trannymania is a symptom of a disease of too many Americans going to University. No one cares about female sports outside of tennis and a few Olympic events. none of these girls will be professional athletes. title X is a scam.
Only a small sliver of any population need to go to university to run an efficient society. And as a university educated woman I agree society would be better off if people like me all got married at 18 and contributed to the country by raising the next generation instead
It’s changed via declaration and acclaim, not mere declaration, and your enemies control the apparatus conferring acclaim.
That’s why you can’t announce that you’re transsexual or transracial to make a point and make them treat you the way they treat Thomas. They’ll just withhold the status that they freely give to anyone they believe is sincere and politically useful.
Nothing is too absurd to be accepted.
Looking ahead on the agenda, we have equality and inclusion for pedophiles, murderers, animals, people who are transforming into animals (if I am transforming into a horse, I might demand the right to a stall instead of a cubicle at work), etc.Replies: @Bill Jones, @Alden, @Stan Adams
This girl’s side glance says it all.
Totally. Real soon we should be seeing Olivia Wendell Holmes VI enter the NCAA 100 meter sprint and win gold over Shaniqua from Compton, who reacts with a lot of F words and all the wrong pronouns.
And Twitter will be fun to observe that day.
Sally Jenkins is a cranky old buzzard, but she’s a favorite of the establishment or administrative state or whatever you want to call it and is continually feted as the best sports columnist going, etc.
As a supreme witch in Sag Harbor’s coven of sophisticated lesbians in Boston marriages, she is heavily invested in the idea of her own personal quality. These people are not TERFs. To grizzled hags like Sally the critical idea is that women are as good in every way as men, and women like herself in particular very much superior to most men. Therefore, the idea that sex is random or socially constructed aligns with her sense of herself.
The collapse of the trans fad, which is what it is, is making the establishment look foolish. In less than a decade, they foisted this preposterous idea on everyone else. They became zealots overnight. But it is not so easy to overturn very basic truths by sheer bullying. They don’t like being wrong, these people, and they really don’t like being embarrassed. Trump proved that definitively.
Marx said something like the only difference between a human and an ant is that humans can picture in their heads what they will make before they build it. Depressing stuff.
Religion could be a way to create beauty in meaning by distracting us from the rather dreary reality of the human condition.
While the world thinks in terms of power and pleasure, we were not made for power and pleasure; we were made for greatness. There is nothing to be depressed about, and even less reason to believe Marx is a wise man.
I've got a hunch this would end it for "trans athletes."Replies: @Mike Tre, @Rohirrimborn
That’s one race I’m looking forward to.
I think the best response to “Lia Thomas is the NCAA women’s champion” is “If that’s what you think. . . ”
This is a good catch-all response to lots of today’s woke assertions. “Race is a social construct.” “Trans women are women.” Etc.
Some other good responses are: “Sigh, it’s so obvious a toddler can figure it out.” And also that little poot noise that a Frenchman makes when you say something absurd.
Then when they try to probe further in an attempt to get you tomsay something they can use to get you cancelled, you just keep mum or say things like “just listen to yourself.”
But when N=2 I should say something.
Sen. Graham isn't trans, or at least no one seriously says so. So your N=1.
Until you come up with a poll or reliable survey, shut your yap on this.Replies: @Bill Jones
I think the GOP issue is more likely to be just plain old closeted sodomites. The kiddie diddlers and tranny freaks are stereotypical loonie leftists.
The Adventures of Princess Lia:
Jenkins bio on Wiki contains this deep discussion of the 61-year old's personal life, who's spent her entire life in print media:Let's just say the last of curiosity is telling a story.Replies: @mc23
Sag Harbor? Is that a typo?
Said by a true and natural woman! Thanks for sharing.
Not that any of this matters in the scheme of things, but this really does fall into what I very recently described as absolutism. Stupid people apply absolute principles to things that are not absolute.
And half of humanity is stupid.
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Goldarnit! You beat me to it!
“… Then there is the baffling truth that height differences within genders are much greater than between them. …”
That is the same sort of crap Richard Lewontin used to say about the different races, which supposedly didn’t exist. (‘There is more “diversity” within each race than between them’; Steve dealt with this recently).
“every person has multitudes in them,”
Metaphysical bulls—t.
In 1985, I came home after five years in exile in West Germany, and looked up old friends. One was a feminist/communist, with whom I’d had had a break, while we were undergrads at SUNY Stony Brook.
At one point over dinner, I said, black English isn’t a language. Se retorted, “You can‘t say that. You have to have a theory.”
I’d been studying philosophy for many years, and for honest minds, the concept of a “theory” is gold.
But my old friend was not an honest mind. For her, it was just metaphysical bulls—t.
I stumbled across this today while reading about Catalina Island:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4495100/
“Women cross the ‘Catalina Channel’ faster than men”
We really need a whole team of ex-men to take over the U.S. women’s soccer team. They do not actually have to be that talented as male soccer players, just willing to claim that they feel like girls inside.
Paul Joseph Watson likes to bring up that the US women’s soccer team lost to a high school state champion boy’s team. So no, they would not need to be Euro-level pros to dominate the pitch. Let it happen, and let the US enter them in international tournaments. Let the rest of the globe see how far globohomo has gone, in case they didn’t know. Maybe if mainstream Europeans complained, American bien-pensant liberals would wake up.
Accelerationism always seemed like a cyclical cope to me, but maybe it’s a legitimate strategy. Give them “equality” good and hard.
But there is an amusing side to all of this. Ten or twenty years ago, women like Jenkins were doubtless defending womens' professional sport against "attacks by chauvinists." It was the feminist thing to do.
Now they're defending the admission of male eunuchs into these very sports. Male eunuchs are generally much stronger and fitter than women of the same height. So, if enough enter a particular womens'sport, they will tend to dominate it, to the detriment of actual women. The end result is that actual women will be discouraged from entering the sport, interest and sponsorship will collapse, and the sport will be dissolved.
If this continues, the end is in sight for womens' sports, not because of attacks by "male chauvinists", but by letting male eunuchs compete in them. The irony of this will be completely lost on Jenkins and her ilk. Their advocacy is helping destroy the very sports that they so recently defended.Replies: @White Guy In Japan, @Riptide, @Ripple Earthdevil, @The Wild Geese Howard, @old coyote, @Hypnotoad666, @Bill Jones, @SaneClownPosse
The dysfunctional male that is the issue here, still has his male equipment.
He’s not trans anything, yet. Doesn’t have the balls to cut his junk off.
This could be a project to destroy women’s sports or at least demoralize women athletes.
A guy just has to say that he’s trans, and he can exert his maleness, where men are not allowed.
How was he as a male swimmer? Mediocre among men?
Pretty damn good. He was rated about 65th in the country in the 500 freestyle. That's borderline NCAA qualifier or Olympic Trials qualifier. It doesn't sound that impressive to the folks who just watch the Olympics every four years, but that's pretty fucking fast. A trials qualifier can get a full ride just about anywhere he wants.
It's a big part of what pisses me off about this whole thing. We, as paunchy middle-aged slobs, have no idea of the discipline, sacrifice, and effort required to become a world class swimmer. But he does. And he just took a big shit all over their years of effort and hard work.
Unless it's hot Korean women golfers.Replies: @Anonymous, @The Wild Geese Howard
Or any lady pole vaulter, hoooweeeee!
This info-babe* (possibly ex-info babe, I’m not sure if she got canceled for something) unbosomed herself of this collective-action suggestion, which is a much-watered-down variation on the “Lysistrata” strategy:
*The late Rush Limbaugh’s term, except I think he meant it complimentarily (was married to one, at some point)
If a black transwoman athlete were making a mockery of various women’s sports, would white female athletes be allowed to complain about it? Somehow, I doubt it.
Unless it's hot Korean women golfers.Replies: @Anonymous, @The Wild Geese Howard
I’d throw European women’s track & field and women’s diving on the keeper list.
Troll he is! He has been trolling hard the last few months. He knows the more infamy the better, because he will have a book coming out within a year. I figure he can make at least half a million to two million dollars.
The second photo in the following article is a group shot of the UPenn women’s swim team on winter break in January 2020:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10350803/UPenn-swimmers-considered-boycotting-final-meet-transgender-teammate-Lia-Thomas.html
Is it possible that, “Lia’s,” entire shtick is a deeply autistic, misguided ploy to enter the presence of two dozen attractive young hardbodies for courting purposes?
I would like to see an Auburn U football player or transsexual gymnast compete against her. No problem, right?Replies: @Hibernian
I think an exception for gymnastics and a few other sports was noted above by another commenter.
Wow. Just wow. (To quote leftist twitter)
Another dog that didn’t bark. Where are all the trans-women invading women’s gymnastics?
Could it be that the women’s events favor lower center of balance with an overall smaller size and weight distributed to reduce rotational inertia, balance, and de-emphasize upper body strength?
That is, the social construct of women’s gymnastic routines, unlike the more power intensive men’s routines, seems to favor feminine over masculine traits. I suppose trans-women either just don’t care for women’s gymnastics or aren’t very good at them.
'NCAA Swimming Champ Caught In Possession Of Performance-Enhancing Testicles'Replies: @AnotherDad
Says Gamecock.
Religion could be a way to create beauty in meaning by distracting us from the rather dreary reality of the human condition.Replies: @Anon
In contrast to an ant, a man is capable of consciousness, humor, self-denial, self-sacrifice, of creating beauty, of charity and of adoration.
While the world thinks in terms of power and pleasure, we were not made for power and pleasure; we were made for greatness. There is nothing to be depressed about, and even less reason to believe Marx is a wise man.
Just checked,sorry if this has been brought up,but Sally Jenkins’ appearance: Oh God! 😮
“ interesting valuable and meaningful “. I don’t think meaningful is a real word. If it is, it’s a recently created nonsense liberal academic word.
Usually it’s used in terms boasting about saving the earth by trying to gag down disgusting soy milk instead of evil cow milk because cows are destroying Mother Gia however it’s spelled. Or buying a $60,000 car electric car and sneering at poor people who drive 12 year old cars that use gasoline
Those soy milk morons and vegans are too brainwashed and ignorant to realize that crops use up much much more if mother earth’s precious resources than cows do.
Think about it. Tractors plowing harrowing and discing Seeds grown in nurseries that use up vast amounts of energy. Then processed into bags and trucked to wholesalers retailers and farms. Then the planting weed removal spreading fertilizer killing the weeds killing the insects that would devour one third to 40 percent of the crop if not killed by pesticides.
More tractors and machinery for harvest. Then trucking to factories processing into disgusting soybean juice and all the fuel involved in getting it to overpriced organic liberal status symbol stores.
Meaningful mindful academese sounds like it’s been google translated thru 3 different languages.Replies: @Anon
Alden, just ask kids and vegans: we’re supposed to eat insects instead of evil meat and dairy. Which insects, grown how, feeding on whose corpses.. I haven’t investigated. Tasty tofu is probably meant just for the upper-middle class scribes and eunuchs.
Good point.
Correct.
“If it weren’t for the fact hockey isn’t a Black cultural thing, they would dominate the sport.”
The black NHLers have been average at best, so, no.
I suggest a new term to describe this sort of argument – “verbal legerdemain,” or “rhetorical legerdemain.”
Hardly a ‘new’ term. Google has hundreds of prior uses.
The obvious solution is to remove all gendered categories from sports and let everyone compete against everyone else.
It's the old lawyer joke: When you don't have the facts, argue the law; when you don't have the law, argue the facts; when you don't have the law or the facts, pound the table.Replies: @Russ, @Brutusale
Whilst hanging out in the women’s locker room, as I understand.
Speaks volumes about the fathers of Penn’s female swimmers.
This is too complicated. for me. Since I don’t know what gender is, if it is inherently subjective OK, People can choose their gender.
But who decided that the qualifier “woman’s” in women’s sports refers to gender rather than sex?
They have age groups also. What if you identify and wish to “present” yourself as a few years younger than your biological age?
Never mind.
I haven’t worked it out yet, but it is connected to what exactly is wrong with populism in a democracy.
The tyranny of the majority?
So the individual has an inherent right to choose the sex the everyone else must recognize?
Sure…and everyone has the right to be a tranny, whether they choose to exercise it or not. You are a freer person in a system where you get to pick your gender, whether you act on it or not.
The extension and enlargement of individual rights shows the evolution of civilization toward increasing freedom. No?
Sports are an inherently public social activity. All sports have rules. And all rules refer to objectively verifiable phenomena. Or when individuals have to subjectively evaluate something, great care is taken that those individuals are objective, impartial, fair, etc. And those judgements are subject to photographic review as practical.
A sport whose rules involve inherently private feelings is nonsense.
Or a non competitive participation activity like the special olympics.
People who manipulate the rules in their favor are called cheaters. And bad sports.
Lia is a cheater. A bad sport. A sexual deviant. To what degree are we obligated to humor the mentally ill?
I’d be rather curious to see how a trans “woman” did in the Womens Chess tournaments, where any ostensible male physical advantage would be moot.
Testosterone does more for you than just build speed and strength and muscle mass.
Do women compete materially with men at the highest levels of chess?
No. I don’t even need to look it up.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Theodore Dalrymple’s skewering of all this PC mugging should be the first part of any ‘rebuttal’:
“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”
Maybe Allison Glock is inadvertently divulging personal information.Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @International Jew
Maybe it’s an allusion to Genesis 17:4.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/woke-womens-studies
OT, but this has Coalition of the Fringes written all over it.
A painfully tortured word-salad of a piece by Ms. Jenkins meant to justify her pre-determined position. Then, there’s this gem:
“And anyway, when has raw size or strength ever been the main determinant of victory in anything?”
Ms. Jenkins is a fucking idiot.
He's not trans anything, yet. Doesn't have the balls to cut his junk off.
This could be a project to destroy women's sports or at least demoralize women athletes.
A guy just has to say that he's trans, and he can exert his maleness, where men are not allowed.
How was he as a male swimmer? Mediocre among men?Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo
“How was he as a male swimmer? Mediocre among men?”
Pretty damn good. He was rated about 65th in the country in the 500 freestyle. That’s borderline NCAA qualifier or Olympic Trials qualifier. It doesn’t sound that impressive to the folks who just watch the Olympics every four years, but that’s pretty fucking fast. A trials qualifier can get a full ride just about anywhere he wants.
It’s a big part of what pisses me off about this whole thing. We, as paunchy middle-aged slobs, have no idea of the discipline, sacrifice, and effort required to become a world class swimmer. But he does. And he just took a big shit all over their years of effort and hard work.
It takes real balls to be a female swimming champion in 2022.
I've got a hunch this would end it for "trans athletes."Replies: @Mike Tre, @Rohirrimborn
The world indoor track and field championships just concluded in Belgrade. What surprised me as someone who follows track and field is that the 3rd place finisher in the 60 meter dash is a tiny white blond american named Marybeth Sant-Price. She looks more like a gymnast than a sprinter. I’d never heard of her before. The first two places went to hulking black women as usual.
It's the old lawyer joke: When you don't have the facts, argue the law; when you don't have the law, argue the facts; when you don't have the law or the facts, pound the table.Replies: @Russ, @Brutusale
The Babylon Bee has the latest from Nike:
https://babylonbee.com/news/nike-releases-new-womens-swimsuit-with-extra-space-for-male-genitalia
If any of our constant Anonymous or Anon commenters are stuck for a screen name, one could do worse than "Xandryx Bithrannamynx". I respect Ron's ban on sockpuppetry, but it's tempting to use that for the purpose.
Not that any of this matters in the scheme of things, but this really does fall into what I very recently described as absolutism. Stupid people apply absolute principles to things that are not absolute.
And half of humanity is stupid.
https://2aih25gkk2pi65s8wfa8kzvi-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/hs/files/2020/02/Screen-Shot-2020-02-17-at-1.59.05-PM.pngReplies: @Art Deco, @Hibernian, @stefan_jeroldson, @Hypnotoad666, @Ben tillman, @SMK, @Nicholas Stix, @James Forrestal, @Prester John, @Paperback Writer
That would be Lewontin’s Fallacy — as Nicholas Stix already noted. It’s commonly used to argue that race is merely a so-called “social construct,” with absolutely zero connection to the physical world.
Very reminiscent of the common argument that concept of individual “plates” within a stack is a mere “social construct,” with no external, objective validity — because there’s more within-plate spatial diversity than between-plate spacial diversity:
Always remember, there’s only one plate — the stack plate!
“Hate to tell you, but in a way, everyone is trans.”
Huh?
Not that any of this matters in the scheme of things, but this really does fall into what I very recently described as absolutism. Stupid people apply absolute principles to things that are not absolute.
And half of humanity is stupid.
https://2aih25gkk2pi65s8wfa8kzvi-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/hs/files/2020/02/Screen-Shot-2020-02-17-at-1.59.05-PM.pngReplies: @Art Deco, @Hibernian, @stefan_jeroldson, @Hypnotoad666, @Ben tillman, @SMK, @Nicholas Stix, @James Forrestal, @Prester John, @Paperback Writer
This woman went to Stanford by the way.
See also:
https://spandrell.com/2015/06/03/the-purpose-of-absurdity/
He makes the point that the moral of the [apparently historically-based] tale referenced by this Chinese proverb is almost exactly the opposite of that of the [fictional] Emperor’s New Clothes. Hmm…
Also Havel’s greengrocer, of course.
And this — the main blog post is an interesting model for how dictator-focused personality cults function, and why they tend to exhibit a sort of rhetorical “ratchet effect,” that’s worth reading on its own:
https://abandonedfootnotes.blogspot.com/2011/03/simple-model-of-cults-of-personality.html
But this comment from “AC” is more directly relevant:
Thought experiment: suppose that instead of a single dictator, there is an elite class, which has general control over most cultural organs and elite institutions but whose political ascendancy is somewhat tenuous. Like the dictator, it will want signals of loyalty (both for determining loyalties and because of general ingroup/ outgroup dynamics.) But because it’s not a single dictator, the signal can’t just be “the Generalissimo is awesome.” Instead, the shibboleth would be particular statements, or articles of faith, that are known to be supported by the ruling class.
Of course, making the shibboleth a mathematical axiom would be pointless; if nothing else, non-loyal mathematicians would be misperceived as loyal elites. The signal must be costly. So the articles of faith must be faintly ridiculous; easily challengeable on the facts, so that only people really devoted would at first make those claims. (Of course they can’t be obviously false either, else the integrity of the ruling class would also be called into question.)
Like cults of personality, there is a ratchet effect. As the elite becomes more entrenched, the shibboleths, while never changing in form (too costly to coordinate), will ever increase in intensity and audaciousness. And the enforcement of the party line will be strongest in educational institutions where the future members of the elite class are trained. It would be considered a matter of proper education – like the finishing schools of old – when “politically incorrect” thoughts in these institutions are mercilessly squelched.
Not a bad analogy. And it sounds… kind of familiar. Of course, over time, it’s easy to see how the “ratchet effect” might eventually bump up against the “shibboleths can’t be obviously false” constraint… which seems like what we’re starting to see in the current year.
The obvious absurd injustice is Title IX, which started the decline into sadistic trannyfreak degeneracy.
The bigger picture here is the repugnance of Title IX, the “civil rights” federal law which banned sex-discrimination in colleges.
The law resulted in a massive nationwide attrition of male sports programs to fit in the requisite 50% female sports representation. As with all “civil rights” laws, it ignored innate race and sex differences and made the category error of assigning all blame for disparate outcomes on “discrimination” (ie on White men).
When a law starts from a false premise, it isn’t long before it ends as unjust tyranny. That’s what has happened to men’s sports programs. Men are more interested in competitive sports than are women, and this is a sex-based preference having nothing to do with institutionalized discrimination. Women as a sex are less sports-minded and less interested in physical competition, on average, than are men as a sex.
So when the government mandates “equal representation” for men and women in all the various fields and pursuits for which there are notable sex differences in interest and aptitude, the consequence is unfair to both sexes, excluding many men from the sports that they enjoy and which would make them more well-rounded men, while including many women in sports that they don’t have a particularly strong interest in playing and which would, if anything, prevent them from becoming more well-rounded women.
Steve, will you go on record supporting the repeal of Title IX? What about the roll-back of gay marriage?
The proportion hasn’t changed at all, the underlying facts have merely become more obvious, quite possibly due to the internet.
A letter from Virginia Tech swimmer Reka Gyorgy is discussed on Twitter in this thread by Mary Margaret Olohan.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Réka György is a native of Üllő, Pest (!) County, Hungary, so foreign it boasts two lengths of umlauts.
It’s great that she doesn’t fear speaking out (can the Biden Administration deport her?), but she should go further. This is a particularly Anglo-Saxon perversion, and our counterpart of the sick German-born ideology that Slavs imposed upon the Magyars for decades. She should call it out as such.
Update. Ms. György won't be calling out anything on Twitter. Account suspended for having written "My finals spot was stolen by Lia Thomas, who is a biological male. Until we all refuse to compete nothing will change. Thanks for all the support, retweets and follows. I wont stop fighting." Link.
https://babylonbee.com/news/nike-releases-new-womens-swimsuit-with-extra-space-for-male-genitaliaReplies: @Reg Cæsar
An interesting take on sex oregons.
If any of our constant Anonymous or Anon commenters are stuck for a screen name, one could do worse than “Xandryx Bithrannamynx”. I respect Ron’s ban on sockpuppetry, but it’s tempting to use that for the purpose.
You will never get Steve to understand this.
Or you could just laugh and take it in stride.
Unless you have something to hide…
My advice? Like the dude, just abide.
https://youtu.be/DYEq4yLohWU?t=386Replies: @Bill Jones
I can’t help but this a being payback for women “reporters” demanding access to men’s locker rooms.
It’s hard not to smile.
Sally is certainly making a strong case for herself:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CcgECVW32vM/maxresdefault.jpgReplies: @Moses, @Forbes, @Veteran Aryan
Wouldn’t this theory effectively cut white women out of affirmative action beneficiaries? Since everyone is trans, being female is no longer enough, now you must be a minority. So white women are now excluded except for the Dolezal / Warren crowd.
Not that any of this matters in the scheme of things, but this really does fall into what I very recently described as absolutism. Stupid people apply absolute principles to things that are not absolute.
And half of humanity is stupid.
https://2aih25gkk2pi65s8wfa8kzvi-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/hs/files/2020/02/Screen-Shot-2020-02-17-at-1.59.05-PM.pngReplies: @Art Deco, @Hibernian, @stefan_jeroldson, @Hypnotoad666, @Ben tillman, @SMK, @Nicholas Stix, @James Forrestal, @Prester John, @Paperback Writer
Short little Jose Altuve could beat the cr*p out of big Leslie Jones. Why do we have to keep saying the obvious?
“As Damon Runyon said, “The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that’s the way to bet.””
And Aristotle pointed out that the Olympic crown goes not to the fastest, but to the one who wins the race.
And his point was that individual moral endeavor is ultimately what is most crucial.
(Also that happenstance of life cannot be avoided, but it is the morally best who can make the best of happenstance.)
Our current “elites” try to make it so the morally inferior win most often.
E.g. William Thomas, his parents, his coaches, etc
The entire issue is a diversion.
They chop off the breasts of teenage girls and hardly anyone protests.
Steve, what does “Reductio ad Absurdum” mean, in relation to Will Thomas?
It's great that she doesn't fear speaking out (can the Biden Administration deport her?), but she should go further. This is a particularly Anglo-Saxon perversion, and our counterpart of the sick German-born ideology that Slavs imposed upon the Magyars for decades. She should call it out as such.Replies: @ic1000
> This is a particularly Anglo-Saxon perversion… [Réka György] should call it out as such.
Update. Ms. György won’t be calling out anything on Twitter. Account suspended for having written “My finals spot was stolen by Lia Thomas, who is a biological male. Until we all refuse to compete nothing will change. Thanks for all the support, retweets and follows. I wont stop fighting.” Link.
Testosterone does more for you than just build speed and strength and muscle mass.Replies: @Moses
Nevermind trans women/men/whatever.
Do women compete materially with men at the highest levels of chess?
No. I don’t even need to look it up.
Do women compete materially with men at the highest levels of chess?
No. I don’t even need to look it up.Replies: @Steve Sailer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polg%C3%A1r
Thanks for making my point Steve. Women are half the population but hard to find at the top levels of chess.
From the Wiki post you linked. Lots of “only woman to X” in there.
Looking this up is like looking up research on which way gravity attracts. Anyone who’s lived a day in his life noticing knew the answer already.
Women’s population mean for logic and planning well to the left of men’s, and men’s distro curve flatter and more spread out. Nature at work.
https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/what-do-we-do-when-people-are-equal?s=r