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The Democrats have an attractive candidate for US Senate in Arizona, Mark Kelly, a Gulf War combat aviator who then became an astronaut. His wife, then Democratic Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, was shot in the head by a crazy man in 2011 (she somehow survived).

But the question that is growing all the time is whether sane senior figures like Kelly can withstand the the craziness of their junior staffers. From the Washington Free Beacon:

Kelly Campaign Spox Calls Police ‘Worthless F—ing Pigs’

Comments came as Arizona Dem tried to portray himself as moderate on policing issues

Alana Goodman – OCTOBER 15, 2020 4:59 AM

The campaign spokesman for Arizona Democratic Senate candidate Mark Kelly referred to police as “worthless f—ing pigs” on Twitter in August, a comment that could complicate Kelly’s effort to distance himself from radical anti-police sentiment from the left flank of his party.

T.J. L’Heureux, Kelly’s deputy press secretary, posted the message in response to a video that showed Chicago police clashing with protesters over the summer. “You worthless f—ing pigs,” wrote L’Heureux on Aug. 17, directing the message to the Chicago Police Department’s official Twitter account.

L’Heureux officially joined Kelly’s campaign as a spokesperson one week later, on Aug. 24.

The post came as the Kelly campaign has sought to portray itself as moderate on policing issues. Kelly, whose parents were police officers, has said he opposes defunding law enforcement agencies, a policy supported by some Democratic lawmakers and leaders of the anti-police protests erupting across the country.

My guess is that this attitude toward the police is pretty run-of-the among Kelly’s staffer’s under 35 or so.

That’s a concern because young staffers, especially women, have a growing ability demonstrated over the last few years to have their bosses canceled by insinuating sexual misbehavior or mere interest in sexual misbehavior even if not acted upon, political incorrectness, or just being mean to them on the job (notice the near cancelation of giant money-maker Ellen Degeneres).

How much are the Kellys, and Bidens, going to be held hostage by their junior staffers?

 
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  1. That DEM candidate is a total tax leech.

    But so is his GOP, incumbent opponent.

  2. sane senior figures like Kelly

    LOL

    How much are the Kellys, and Bidens, going to be held hostage by their junior staffers?

    All the way to losing the election, inshallah.

  3. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    The Kelly twin brothers grew up in West Orange, New Jersey and the elementary school is named after them.

    I met Gabby Giffords many times while I worked in D.C. from 2007 to 2009. Giffords was always so nice and kind. Out of the hundreds of Congressional members I interacted with she would be among the top 5 best.

  4. It would be nice if these “junior staffers” were rounded up, blind folded, and then dropped off in the ghettos of Baltimore, Chicago or some other BLM “province” with no phone and then must escape from these “Utopian Surroundings.”

    They could then write a book on their wonderful cultural experiences for all of us to share.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @znon
  5. Kronos says:

    Sounds like the typical genital herpes flare up the Democratic Party has experienced since 1968. The funniest political name calling I’ve ever encountered (reading) was between Mayor Daley sitting next to Jesse Jackson at the 1968 Democratic Party Convention in Chicago. The stuff both muttered to each other would’ve cancelled them both multiple times over.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  6. Kelly has major “you owe us” issues with several Chinese outfits. Biden? He owes most of the Ukrainian energy industry for their financial kindness to his son, brother and sister. Only the gerantocracy gets rich with these corruptions, not the kids who witnessed these depravities over the years. Of COURSE the youths are pissed off.

  7. nebulafox says:

    This is actually what happened in 1930s Japan. Near as anybody can tell, the invasion of China was not some premeditated plan. It was local majors and lieutenant colonels doing their own thing and presenting the government back in Tokyo with fait accomplis.

    Politicians who tried to buck this often ended up assassinated. Even Hirohito himself faced a coup attempt which one of his more radical brothers was involved in: he could have been a potential replacement if he displeased the plotters too much, had they succeeded.

    • Agree: Abe, dfordoom
    • Replies: @Moral Stone
    , @Sean
  8. Biden ran one of the least woke democratic campaigns. He’ll probably revert back to party orthodoxy if he’s elected, the same way Trump did when he started staffing his administration with swamp creatures. He already picked Harris as VP, who ran one of the wokest campaigns, and who was openly selected on identity grounds.

    Political underlings don’t seem to stage public freak outs, like the staffers at publishing houses balking at some author’s behavior or the Bon Appetit youtube implosion. They just leak stuff selectively and set about the substance of governing the way they see fit.

    • Agree: JimB
    • Replies: @JimB
  9. nebulafox says:
    @Kronos

    Hizzoner always maintained that he merely called Ribicoff a faker. 😉

  10. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Yur revealing left coast parochialism.

    Todays issue is #HunterBIIGZ funding subsequent to meetings with then Vice President of the United States of America. Not Britain, Chian Ukraine.

    Follow the money.

    Where were the credits to Biden controlled accounts ?

  11. Jake says:

    The situation is comparable to the Russians Liberals in the early 20th century. Most of them would have been happy with some economic reforms that gave land to peasants and slum area apartments to urban poor, and scholarships to poor children and college students, as long as the Tsar was rendered a Constitutional Monarch. But virtually all those Russian Liberals had junior staffers who were Nihilists at heart and wanted large scale violence so they could feel cleansed afterward.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  12. “You worthless f—ing pigs,” wrote L’Heureux on Aug. 17, directing the message to the Chicago Police Department’s official Twitter account.

    This L’Heureux character either bangs at his forehead/prefrontal cortex daily with a hammer, or he’s another soft sciences degreed guy. Not much difference, really.

    Pro tip: Just ping yourself in the forehead with a hammer for four years instead of attending a decent liberal arts institution. It’ll save your parents a lot of cash.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  13. Dr. X says:

    The Democrats have an attractive candidate for US Senate in Arizona

    I’m not so sure of that.

    Kelly and his Jewish wife Giffords try to pass themselves off as some kind of center-right politicians by doing things like posing with guns at campaign time to get the NRA Fudds to vote for them, but it’s an insincere act. They’re both Deep State establishment types who are now for hardcore gun control.

    https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/gabrielle-giffords-husband-mark-kelly-bought-an-ar-15-rifle-do-you-buy-his-explanation-6630998

    Kelly is trying to pull the same scam that McCain did all those years… wrap himself in the flag and pitch his veteran status at election time, then lurch left in Washington.

  14. Anonymous[704] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve: Mark Kelly is an attractive candidate on paper only.

    He is running against a proven loser and still he can’t put any distance between himself and McSally.

    Mark Kelly is another one of these candidates who fades in the polls the more the public gets to know them. Lucky for him McSally has the same problem.

    Truth is the senate is filled with these types of losers. There are only about 15-20 senators in any era who are welcome on the TV networks. The rest kill off the viewing audience. You literally can’t put them on without crashing the ratings.

    Think we can assume it has always been this way. The best people do not go into politics. Not even close.

  15. @Kibernetika

    You’re confused. Soft sciences are prefrontal cortex material. Hard sciences are more cerebral.

    Bashing yourself in the forehead is what you want to do if you want to be less of a humanities type of person. This guy isn’t one (you are).

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  16. Barnard says:

    If Kelly isn’t going to fire a staffer for saying this, no Democrat will. He would lose if he wasn’t running against the completely worthless Martha McSally, a handpicked GOP elite loser.

  17. How much are the Kellys, and Bidens, going to be held hostage by their junior staffers?

    How much of this nonsense can be attributed to young people knowing how to use the communication technology of required to run a campaign today? The stuff older people can’t figure out or are too busy to learn, like Twitter.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  18. That’s a concern because young staffers, especially women, have a growing ability demonstrated over the last few years to have their bosses canceled by insinuating sexual misbehavior or mere interest in sexual misbehavior even if not acted upon, political incorrectness, or just being mean to them on the job (notice the near cancelation of giant money-maker Ellen Degeneres).

    Very likely, that’s also why the “revolt” which led to resignation of James Bennett at the New York Times succeeded. At first, I thought rank-and-file journalists, who can be easily replaced in the current job market, have no bargaining power. But some of those rebels were women who can easily bring down anyone with false accusations.

  19. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:

    The problem is social media, which publicly exposes and permanently memorializes your every fleeting private thought. I think it’s possible to compartmentalize and maintain personal opinions that differ from your public opinions and behavior. But nothing is personal anymore.

    For a spokesman, the very job description is to learn the opinions of a person other than yourself, and transmit those, not your opinions, to the press. Of course the spokesman’s opinions don’t match his employer’s on every point. So the problem here is more the unhinged vulgarity of the guy, not his thoughts about a particular police force’s actions in a particular incident.

    But on the candidate’s side here’s how I would handle it:

    1. Fire the guy without public comment.

    2. Wait for the inevitable internal staff rebellion.

    3. Fire two people associated with the staff rebellion, without internal or external comment. It dosen’t really matter who you fire. The point is for insubordinate behavior to be seen as a fireable offense by staff.

    4. Continue to fire staff until things settle down. Hidden among your staff are a few who are not overwoke and will support your actions. Never make any comment. Your words are the Sterno that keeps the fires burning. Starve them of Sterno.

    5. Grab lunch at Chick Fil-A, and observe the staff closely, passing out job applications to the most impressive. Repeat at In-N-Out Burger the next day.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  20. Thirdtwin says:

    Probably. Will social media officials be held hostage by their own junior staffers? Sure looks like it.

  21. Redman says:

    Man, that’s quite a chin on Daley.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  22. “T.J. L’Heureux… posted the message…”

    Sounds like his name oughta be M.A. L’Heureux.

    Ten bucks says Reg Caesar’s reaction is a full three seconds faster than the resta y’all.

  23. Redman says:

    OT: I thought Trump handled himself quite well on the wuflu questions tonight. The mask bullshit needs to end soon. It’s moved beyond Orwellian into Kafkaesque territory.

    And what was up with the black woman nodding in agreement behind him after everything he said? If that woman wasn’t on the Trump campaign payroll they should hire her right away.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @epebble
  24. I deeply regret my comment…

    …should it cost me my job…

    and apologize for what I wrote — I was wrong…

    …and still am.

    My comment does not reflect who I am or what I believe…

    …as my face does not appear in the mirror.

    …and most importantly, it is not representative of what this campaign stands for.

    The language I used and the sentiment I conveyed do not belong in our political process…

    …nor does anything else connected to me.

    …which is why I have deleted the tweet.

  25. @nebulafox

    Right. Imperial Japanese foreign policy was essentially a hard liner soft coup. It explains some of their fairly irrational behavior, like attacking the US who had 10X their industrial output at the time.

    Regarding the OP, I think people take jobs for a number of reasons, including financial. But low level political jobs don’t offer much money, so you select for staffers who really really want to work in left wing politics and so don’t care about the low pay and terrible hours. And those kind of people tend to be rabid ideologues. So I doubt it’s a simple matter to replace them with sane 9-5 types even if a pol wanted to. Who else would sign up?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  26. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Due to staff recklessness regarding chicom bat flu… Kamala Harris has been put on the sidelines until next week.

    Kamala is another unpopular senator. The best thing you can do with her is keep her under wraps. Putting her in the spotlight just makes her poll numbers drop.

    Hey all you ridiculous Biden supporters: the history shows senators running for potus do poorly unless they’re running against an opponent who is also in the congress. Do not bet your rent money on this guy.

  27. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:

    Gal Godot as Cleopatra is a missed opportunity for representation.

    while Cleopatra ruled over Egypt, there has long been debate over whether she had African ancestry, given that she hailed from a long line of Macedonian Greeks. (As a geography reminder, Egypt is located on the continent of Africa.)

  28. @Kibernetika

    Pro tip: Just ping yourself in the forehead with a hammer for four years instead of attending a decent liberal arts institution. It’ll save your parents a lot of cash.

    This is such a pathetic and stupid cope. As though there is no value in being socialized into the cultural elite and as though that elite isn’t mopping the floor with you constantly.

    This L’Heureux character either bangs at his forehead/prefrontal cortex daily with a hammer, or he’s another soft sciences degreed guy. Not much difference, really.

    And then we have the science and engineering cope, which when confronted with the actual demographics of science and engineering students, has to be reframed as the nobel prize cope. What’ll you do when you lose that?

    I wonder why Steve didnt do a post about the female physics nobel winner?

  29. White South Africans also hoped moderate voices would prevail. How did that work out?

    White people voted to end apartheid in 1992. The hope was it would put an end to turmoil. No, seriously.

    This was a moderate position proposed by the Really Smart people of the day. It was time to move forward, segregation was so passé. It was time to join the modern world.

    There were rightwing White groups at the time who wanted to resist, but you know, they were proles, lowbrows, I mean, could you invite them to a dinner party?

    • Replies: @Altai
  30. Peterike says:

    Thinking that Kelly isn’t on the same wavelength as L’Heureux would be silly.

    Kelly is a Democrat. He can’t order breakfast without lying.

    • Agree: Drapetomaniac
  31. Sean says:
    @nebulafox

    I think the key decisions were taken by much more senior officers that you suggest and there was a consensus for them among the common people. Japan was democratic until it became apparent that they were a little too good at playing the manufacturing game, and both the British and Dutch closed their Empires to Japanese goods. America closed itself off to Japanese immigration and would not supply oil and raw materials, added to which there was a depression and food riots. The invasion of Manchuria was very popular, to the extent the newspapers which opposed it had to switch feet amid declining sales.giving birth to thirteen children

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasion_of_Manchuria
    Japan’s most famous pacifist, the poet Akiko Yosano had caused a sensation in 1904 with her anti-war poem “Brother Do Not Give Your Life”, addressed to her younger brother serving in the Imperial Army that called the war with Russia stupid and senseless.[10] Such was the extent of “war fever” in Japan in 1931 that even Akiko succumbed, writing a poem in 1932 praising bushidō, urging the Kwantung Army to “smash the sissified dreams of compromise” and declared that to die for the Emperor in battle was the “purest” act a Japanese man could perform.[10]

    She gave birth to 13 children. Overpopulation and lack of an outlet for it had a lot to do with Japan’s move on Manchuria, which some have seen as the begining of WW2, it certainly was the end of the league of Nations as japen left after being called predatory by the League’s official report. Eamonn Fingleton is adamant that Japan’s current low birthrate is a feature not a bug of government policy.Things usually work themselves out like that, not without cost, but for the best. While runway results are possible, there are self correcting mechanisms in play.

    The current situation is the opposite of a communist revolution, being desperate measures to stop Trump by the established power elite spanning both parties. That the major corporate friendly media are agitprop-supporting Antifa is very telling as to how dangerous the hard Left is thought to be compared to Trump. The Establishment never wanted Trump and were aghast at him winning in 2016, so they are taking the nuclear option of declaring the Republic morally and politically bankrupt. The real enemy of Trump is the elite and not so elite: most with a degree voted against him. Ordinary whites represent a potentially formidable correlation of forces against the Establishment, Trump has shown signs of coalescing the power of whites into what would be an unbeatable alliance. Once Biden is elected (then shunted off stage and replaced with his VP) the Harris Presidency will us ostensibly antiracist measures to shatter the white working class and make the country secure for Wall Street and the corporations.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  32. Aardvark says:

    If this doesn’t show up on the megaphone (MSM), does it matter that much?
    A Democrat gets a pass on what they say most of the time anyway.

  33. @Dr. X

    Kelly’s wife did get shot in the head with a gun a lunatic had bought at Walmart minutes before.

  34. Alden says:

    Off topic Glanced at the LASlimes today. Editorial about how strange and incomprehensible it is that since the first of June while overall crime is down the homicide rate in disadvantaged black Los Angeles neighborhoods is up. How can that be??

    • Replies: @bomag
  35. Anonymous[404] • Disclaimer says:

    Probably it’s already out there somewhere and already been calculated but it could be shown with data: How serving x number of years in the senate makes winning the presidency essentially impossible.

    Meaning the longer you stay in the senate the less likely you are to ever become potus regardless of any other high office attained — usually VP.

    The ceiling number of years I think is pretty low. Biden’s number is very very high. Obviously if this guy becomes potus he will set a record for years spent in the senate first.

    The more I think about it the more I think Biden has no chance to actually win. The modern era congress has never been less popular and this guy is the posterboy for DC insider-ism. The current Hunter Biden scandal is a byproduct of chronic insider-ism.

    From this perspective Biden’s choice of Kamala was even dumber than is already understood. She just added more senate stink to Biden’s own senate stink.

    Also the senate stink doesn’t get easily cleaned off by a stint as VP. The VP office is so castrated that voters still think of you as a senator.

    And the longer you stay in the senate the more you’ll have to defend your record as senator in your potus campaign and not your record as VP. Because castrati VPs really don’t have their own record.

    • Replies: @bomag
  36. Sean says:

    Glenn Greenwald
    @ggreenwald
    You’re seeing the immense, unchallengeable, unaccountable power of Silicon Valley giants over the flow of information. Imagine if Google joins in.

    What’s so amazing is that they never wanted this role. It was foisted on them by people, led by journalists, demanding they censor:

    […]
    Glenn Greenwald
    @ggreenwald
    ·
    Oct 14
    Right, for instance, Facebook, Twitter & Google could, tomorrow, unite to announce that any criticisms of President Trump will be banned, & only criticisms of Biden allowed. Craven liberals like you wouldn’t be saying: “so what? They’re a private company. They do what they want.”

  37. Alden says:

    Women do have sex harassment power over management men. But low level men are just as awful
    as low level women. I believe that all these anti White liberal demands from low level employees are just orchestrated by upper management.

    College radicalism began with the profs selecting and indoctrinating students for the radical clubs and movements.

    Look at some of the google alleged employee demands. I don’t believe they were ever allowed to log off and gather on company time to discuss and write those manifestos.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  38. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    From what I can see, Arizona requires background checks through the Federal registry. It also has a host of prohibited persons.

    The lunatic in question was not reported to authorities, who would have aborted the sale. No one can just waltz into a gun shop and buy a gun without going through background checks. If the lunatic had been committed to a mental facility like he should have by his relatives he would found himself unable to purchase any firearm legally.

    At any rate, Kelly is a hard-core leftist and his staff reflects upon him. Young women mostly who know nothing, and way overestimate their abilities and knowledge.

    Take for example gun control. Bill Clinton pushed that successfully with the “Assault Weapons ban” (banning features/firearms that young stupid women found “scary” — the Henry 1860 held 16 rounds of .44 rimfire) but matched that with long prison terms for scary black “Super Predators.” The young twenty somethings are abolishing the police and opening prisons while coming for people’s guns. Youtube personality “Nutnfancy” (yes I know) had an interview in a gun store — the employee estimated 90% of sales were to first time buyers for self defense. Gun and ammo sales are so through the roof that almost nothing is in stock.

    Or take the Green New Deal. Taxing meat sky high so ordinary people have to eat literally beans and bugs to save the planet while staffers dine out on Wagyu Beef? Well let them eat grasshoppers! Take away everyone’s car and make them take the bus or train? A White man tax to pay off LeBron and Oprah’s and Obama’s oppression? Revolutions have been fought for less, and in smaller countries, with less tyranny of distance, and less to lose. People are more loss averse than risk friendly, and loss aversion goes up and up the less one has.

    What stands out is the lack of competency and even basic intelligence among Democratic operatives. There is not a James Carville or the like among them. Carville was/is a human-snake hybrid, but could count to four without using his hands and find his behind in the dark. Democrats have … Savannah Guthrie? Katie Tur? The Biden campaign does not even have a Robbie Mook. Policies and such are outsourced to black Twitter and media bimbos. I don’t see a single White male among them.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @black sea
    , @Neoconned
  39. @Anonymous

    Because kelly looks like the biggest dork on earth. Ben Carson level dorkiness. Boomers think everyone wets their damn panties at the sight of an astronaut when everyone else pretty much just sees them as Eagle Scouts in jump suits. It’s hard to imagine there was ever a time that telling people you were a Rhodes scholar or astronaut or a Eagle Scout was met by anything other than “big fucking deal” or oh so you sucked at sports.

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    , @JMcG
  40. Anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    Bosses aren’t usually held hostage by their staffers. I suspect Kelly WANTS a staffer who goes around insulting the police to signal that he’s radical to the radicals, while he mouths middle-of the road politics to draw in the normies. It’s a big tent strategy.

  41. @Guy De Champlagne

    Jews always beat the goys, because, being truly smart, not just number-jugglers and fact fetishists, they never fall into the “smart people do physics, everything is for losers” trap; hence, they eventually run everything. I guess it comes from having a culture that always valued talmudic lernen.

    The “smart” physicists never figure out that the “soft” guys pay their salaries — or not. The “liberal arts dummies” who went to law school wrote laws that flooded the labs with Asians; I guess the “smart” White guys are now living in trailers cooking meth like Walter White.

    Sort of like how in the old Europe they took over by doing the jobs the aristos were “too high class” to dirty their hands with. The Czar smiles with good natured contempt for those dirty “students” and “intelligentsia” talking about revolution and mixing with the peasants. I say, good shooting this weekend, eh Prince? Pass the caviar.

    Instead, Unz commenters swap stories about IQ.

    Paul Feyerabend, a true Aryan superman, philosopher of science and Luftwaffe pilot (Iron Cross) has some fun pages in his Science in a Free Society mocking the blinkered, philistine scientists (as opposed to bold, imaginative culture creators) as happy and proud to be self-enslaved tools of the elite, congratulating themselves on being too “smart” to waste time with politics and such. He concludes: “Greece and Rome rose on the backs of unwilling slaves; we shall rise on the backs of willing slaves!”

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  42. @Redman

    OT: I thought Trump handled himself quite well

    I heard a fair amount of the Biden town hall. Biden was a little over-excited, but he didn’t sound as senile as I thought he would. I need to get some of whatever he’s on.

  43. @Sean

    “The real enemy of Trump is the elite and not so elite: most with a degree voted against him. ”

    I really hate the stupid line you always hear about “people with degrees oppose Trump”. As if a dental hygienist degree from VoTech made you a political guru. As for the “real” degrees, Chomsky said it years ago: “The educated class is the most heavily propagandized.”

    Same with newspapers (remember them?): the “quality broadsheets” like the Times were just organs of elite indoctrination (still today, with Slim and Bezos as owners); the “lower class” tabloids are where you can find the truth.

    Thus, the NY Post publishes the Biden files, the Times ignores them, the social media ban any mention of them.

    Susan Sontag: “Anyone who read the Reader’s Digest would have been better informed about Vietnam than the readers of The Nation.”

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    , @Sean
  44. @Steve Sailer

    Kelly’s wife did get shot in the head …

    It seems to have cognitively affected him just as badly as it did her.

  45. @Anonymous

    I suspect that the change to popular election of Senators led to the decline of the Senate into just an additional, superfluous level of government for really ambitious politicians, like the top three degrees of the Masons.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  46. So that’s from the Washington Free Beacon. How many Arizona voters will see it? The question is whether the local press saying anything.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  47. I had a student in Kansas whose name was L’Heureux.
    Guess how she pronounced it.

    Larue.

    Really.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    , @GeraldB
  48. black sea says:
    @Whiskey

    To his credit, James Carville flat-out said on TV that the Democrats couldn’t afford to nominate Bernie Sanders, because Democratic donors would never give a flat dime to a Sanders campaign.

    OK, it’s not a shocking revelation, but it’s more honest than 95% of what you hear on the MSM.

    • Replies: @lysias
  49. @James O'Meara

    It’s also a refusal to recognize how badly men have been beaten by women and how marginalized men already are from any kind of productive role with everything trending in the wrong direction with no letup in sight.

    The version I first saw edited out the patronising qualifiers. Not sure if the full comment is worse or better.

  50. @Dr. X

    They’re both … now for hardcore gun control

    If there is one couple I will give a pass to for this, it’s this one.

    Also, I noticed your whining about having to work hard for your mortgage. So do most white people, so you aren’t special.

    Go build a creature.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    , @Twinkie
  51. @ScarletNumber

    If there is one couple I will give a pass to for this, it’s this one.

    Why? John McCain had his tale of woe and he was a horrible politician. Tales of woe don’t immunize a person from political or moral criticism.

    It’s pretty obvious what Mark Kelly is. Of course, he’s going to act like he’d never be a vote for the Left. That’s what McCain said.

    All my life, I’ve seen people give a pass to obvious fakes who had some sympathetic bio.

    • Agree: El Dato
  52. @Matt Buckalew

    You’re right. In the last 50 years astronauts have gone from being heroes to being “meh”. The crazy girl astronaut from a few years back was merely the final straw on astronauts being role models. I never thought much of Eagle Scouts, or the whole Boy Scout program, in the first place.

    John Glenn was able to ride his fame to the Senate, but I’m sure even he was surprised he never became president.

  53. Kronos says:
    @Redman

    He’s been the subject of interesting artwork as well.

    One interesting observation is the uglier the politician, the more wiser and influential he really is. Such a politician isn’t dependent on the housewife vote and can focus on getting stuff done.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    , @Ganderson
  54. @James O'Meara

    While I agree with your statement generally speaking, let’s not pretend the New York Post is publishing anything out of altruism; it’s a partisan rag published by the same people who own Fox News Channel.

    I agree with Susan Sontag that once upon a time Reader’s Digest was a great way to get the pulse of what middle America was thinking. With the rise of the internet it has lost its way, but through the end of the last century it was worth reading every month.

    • Replies: @FPD72
  55. Kronos says:
    @Daniel Williams


    I’d imagine very little. The younger generations are just subservient serfs that are told what to do. Remember feminism and black worship are very much 1960s boomer things. Boomer feminists extracted more out of feminism than any younger females. (They reached middle management and then outsourced the good paying jobs to China.)

    I’d further argue that #MeToo is partially a clever Boomer female ploy to keep younger women from pulling a Ben Disraeli and sleep their way to the top. Essentially older women are pulling up those ladders as well. They really don’t want to be training their replacements on either count.

  56. Neoconned says:
    @Dr. X

    Notice how the target is a young white dude with a “pull the trigger once & empty the magazine in 2 seconds” automatic MAC10 type trash….

  57. JimB says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    With 47 years in the swamp and a crackhead son acting as bag man for foreign bribes, Joe Biden is perhaps the most compromised presidential candidate in US history. Maybe this is why the establishment loves him.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @David In TN
  58. Kronos says:
    @niteranger

    It would be far more cost effective is that honor went to their parents and professors. Such a “diversity plunge” should only be granted to the most moral and just.

  59. J.Ross says:

    Replace “their own junior staffers” with “the Chinese government.” There is absolutely no reason to ascribe to well-meaning confusion what Kelly is clearly doing on purpose and on his own. If he wins it’s a sign we’re closer to violence.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  60. @Foreign Expert

    I think that’s how that last name is generally pronounced. When I read the story, that’s how I said the name in my head.

  61. Twinkie says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Kelly’s wife did get shot in the head with a gun a lunatic had bought at Walmart minutes before.

    So when a deranged Islamist runs over people with a Ford F-150, we should be angry at Ford, not the crazy person or the people who trained and then loosed him upon us.

  62. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    Here are a handful of casting choices that have inflamed public feeling against Hollywood.

    Gulliver’s Travels reloaded.

    Egypt is located on the continent of Africa.

    It was also deeply negro-free back then.

    So, can we find an original Macedonian Egyptian? Would a Bulgarian lady fit?

    Sheer fantasy about prior whitecastings:

    …”folks were none too happy”
    …”caused a huge uproar”
    …”for people to be up in arms”
    …”even Michael Jackson’s daughter Paris expressed her displeasure” (isn’t that offensive?)
    …”the list goes on and on”.
    …”there will continue to be consternation”

  63. Twinkie says:
    @ScarletNumber

    If there is one couple I will give a pass to for this, it’s this one.

    Nonsense. I’d give them a pass if they expressed hatred of the deranged perpetrator or even anger at those around the perpetrator who didn’t intervene beforehand. Or perhaps even rage at our “broken” mental healthcare system/policy.

    Blaming guns and penalizing the vast majority of gun owners who had nothing to do with their tragedy (and in fact would have helped them if nearby as did in fact some around the actual incident did) isn’t just misdirected. It’s cynical and manipulative how they have used this to build a (basically scapegoating) political platform and candidacy for the husband.

    As a counter example, read about Suzanna Hupp and Luby’s Cafeteria massacre in Killeen, Texas (which was the deadliest mass shooting in American history):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby’s_shooting

    It says a lot about the brainwashed nature of the American populace that even on a rightist site, commenters think it’s valid to blame the gun and to advocate for curtailing rights of law abiding citizens instead of the genuinely guilty party.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @AndrewR
  64. Interesting comment from one whose name is French for “The happy one.”

  65. @ScarletNumber

    The first few groups of men chosen as astronauts in the space program were qualified test pilots, a selection criterion. Many, such as Gus Grissom, had flown numerous combat missions (Grissom had flown 100). Some, such as John Glenn, Gus Grissom and Buzz Aldrin, had shot down enemy planes in combat. Those guys were genuinely big swinging dicks, which NASA’s public relations people emphasized.

    After the Apollo program, there was a lot more diversity (in the old sense of the word) in the program, NASA started emphasizing the routine and humdrum nature of the Shuttle flights. Space flight was no longer seen as a heroic endeavor, requiring great courage and qualities of character in addition to intellect.

    Mark Kelly was born too late for that early era. He has combat aviation experience, but no one seems to care. Much of public culture today doesn’t openly celebrate manly qualities. It does not dare to.

  66. Mike Tre says:
    @Steve Sailer

    And Tim McVeigh blew up a government building with a van he rented the day before. Time to ban auto rentals, fertilizer, or government buildings?

    • Replies: @JMcG
  67. Altai says:
    @RichardTaylor

    In fairness, many white Saffers were under the impression, as was the government that a kind of power-sharing system could be created which assured some degree of white veto and self-determination, at least for Afrikaners. This was what F. W. de Klerk has said he assumed would come out of CODESA. It isn’t clear why, apparently the ANC side were shocked and surprised by how much was given away up front. (Remember, the ANC didn’t really win, the demographic reality and international pressure brought Apartheid down)

    That didn’t happen and it was one man one vote with no legal power sharing. The only alleged concession was that the economic policies of the country were to remain or even intensify in their neoliberal configuration. (Though it’s highly likely Washington would have seen to that anyway) Which has only enabled ever more corruption and decay but which has enabled the white oligarchs to keep their wealth and even expand it.

    The alternative was seen to be a very bloody conflict the outcome, if whites won, was to be even further international isolation. South Africa had a demographic timebomb and had the Western world (Who post-cold war was even more powerful and obsessed with racism) isolating and rejecting it. From that perspective it was thought negotiation was better sooner rather than later. (Indeed, there is no reason that a future US wouldn’t have helped a revolution along to set up a client state)

    Just because the man standing on a landmine looks perfectly healthy doesn’t mean he isn’t standing on a landmine.

    And, to be fair, moderate voices did prevail. And still do though things are getting worse.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  68. Biden isn’t running for president, he’s seeking to be the first American Doge, like those 80-year-old figureheads the Venetians used to elect to be managed and controlled by five layers of advisors, councilors, senators and rich merchants.

    Hey, it worked for Venice for hundreds of years, but only because those five layers of advisors, councilors, senators and rich merchants really were wise.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  69. Dr. X says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Giffords was shot in the head with a 9mm Glock pistol, the most popular gun in law enforcement. The perpetrator passed a background check to get it six weeks prior. He concealed the weapon prior to the shooting.

    Kelly wants to ban rifles — yet attempted to purchase one for himself.

    Non sequitur, anyone?

  70. @Altai

    In fairness, many white Saffers were under the impression, as was the government that a kind of power-sharing system could be created which assured some degree of white veto and self-determination, at least for Afrikaners.

    Isn’t this always the claim of moderates? That somehow, the other side will be Good Gentlemen? And they’re always shocked when it doesn’t work out that way.

    (Remember, the ANC didn’t really win, the demographic reality and international pressure brought Apartheid down)

    And yet the White population was at its peak in terms of absolute numbers in 1992. Yes, they were around 13.2% of the population, down from to 20% decades early. But so what?

    International pressure … Israel, Iran, North Korea and others are able to withstand it.

    Caving to “international pressure” is pathetic. Sending signals you can be cowed by such fake sentiments is the real crime.

    The alternative was seen to be a very bloody conflict the outcome, if whites won, was to be even further international isolation.

    Yes, it’s rough if you want to have territory and sovereignty. See the Alamo. Or Sparta. But moderates always claim if we don’t follow them, Something Awful happens.

    And, to be fair, moderate voices did prevail.

    Yes, White moderates prevailed. And thus began the destruction of South Africa.

  71. JMcG says:
    @Alden

    Right, the same way federal agencies get an NGO to sue them and then either mount no defense or a laughably inept defense. When the agency loses the suit, it’s forced to do what it really wants to anyway.

  72. JMcG says:
    @Matt Buckalew

    Preach it brother! The Eagle Scouts I’ve met in the last decade or so, while often very nice people, are not impressive at all. My son was in that world for a few years. The boys were generally just ticket-punchers, not interested at all in the body of knowledge they were supposed to be accruing. Not one in ten could start a fire with one match or tie more than a couple of knots.
    The days of astronauts being much above the common mold are long gone. Exhibit A is that female astronaut who donned diapers for a long distance drive to confront her lover or some such ridiculousness.

  73. JMcG says:
    @Mike Tre

    I vote for government buildings!

  74. @ScarletNumber

    Probably because they aren’t able to do much more than go 200kms up (those damn Van Allen Belts!), orbit the earth a few times, tighten some screws on a satellite and then fall back while upside down.

  75. AndrewR says:

    run-of-the among Kelly’s staffer’s under 35

    Say what you want about those pesky whippersnappers, boomer, but at least they’re less likely to make two typos in the same sentence lol

  76. nebulafox says:
    @Twinkie

    >It says a lot about the brainwashed nature of the American populace that even on a rightist site, commenters think it’s valid to blame the gun and to advocate for curtailing rights of law abiding citizens instead of the genuinely guilty party.

    “Box knifes caused 9/11.”

    • Agree: TWS, Twinkie
  77. nebulafox says:
    @Henry Canaday

    Doge, nothing. Even Pope Innocent III himself could not control the blind Dandolo, that true… proto-Nietzschean man, far moreso than a spoiled Borgia ever was.

    Nobody expects Biden to live 4 years, let alone 8 in that role, and unlike that Venetian Malabolge bound scumbag, he’s not exactly going to force his will on anybody, will he? No, it is Harris that they really have in mind, our pseudo-meritocracy. She embodies them, the fools, their notion the American people can be made into serfs. Not. Going. To Happen.

  78. GeraldB says:
    @Foreign Expert

    That’s probably as close as most English speakers can come to the actual French pronunciation. It means “The Happy One,” BTW.

  79. AndrewR says:
    @Moral Stone

    Maybe you know more about this stuff than I do, but it’s difficult not to call bullshit on you here. In the second quarter of this year alone, the Kelly campaign raised $12.8 million (I imagine most of that came from people who have never stepped foot in AZ, but that’s another discussion entirely).

    Why exactly can’t they afford staffers who have the sense not to tweet extremely inflammatory anarchist insanity on their main during a highly competitive Senate race?

  80. Yngvar says:

    How much are the Kellys, and Bidens, going to be held hostage by their junior staffers?

    Not any more than the voters allow them. If they seek this career they’d better be responsive to the voters expectations and demands, or be prepared to be abandoned and voted out.
    This is how it’s supposed to work. It’s on the voters.

  81. WJ says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    “This is such a pathetic and stupid cope. As though there is no value in being socialized into the cultural elite and as though that elite isn’t mopping the floor with you constantly.”

    The thirty year old children of antifa/blm, mostly white, aren’t the elite. They more than likely obtained worthless degrees and can find no employment. Getting a liberal arts degrees from Missouri State ain’t exactly like getting paper from Dartmouth.

    These people don’t have a future other than confiscation of other people’s stuff.

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  82. @Guy De Champlagne

    I guess Lt. Hultgreen and the Miami footbridge were after ACB’s father’s time:

    View post on imgur.com

  83. Ganderson says:
    @Kronos

    Is there anyone who doesn’t believe Chicago was a better place when Daley ran it? Granted there are complicating factors, and the machine was corrupt as all get out; but it was corruption of the “ I’ll skim some off the paving contact or get my idiot nephew a job with the city“; but by God the garbage better get picked up, and the streets plowed. And NOBODY would be allowed to live on the streets.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  84. @nebulafox

    She embodies them, the fools, their notion the American people can be made into serfs. Not. Going. To Happen.

    South Asian tech CEOs paid the DNC to install Harris in the WH.

    That’s 0.000000001% of the U.S. population.

    If the rest of the populace allows this installation to occur we deserve everything that comes from it.

  85. When the senior Dems were 35 they said the same thing and before that when they were 25 they said don’t trust anyone over 30.

    It’s a rw cope that there are “sane” libs who can “reign in” “the woke”

    “Woke” exists because it benefits capital and Dems are the party of capital. Woke is a means to consolidate power. Nobody is going to turn it off – that’s the whole point of it. The “sane” ones are pushing this as much or more than anyone because it benefits them. If anyone tried to stop it they will be removed, like if an assistant coach said hey let’s just bench our star who has been absolutely obliterating all our opponents.

    The objective of the Dems is power and control and wealth – not providing good government. Sane in this context means: effective in securing the objectives. They flat out are not interested in providing good results and “winning people over”. They are about winning, over people

    GOP must understand this. Everything must filter through friend/enemy

  86. AndrewR says:
    @Twinkie

    Your link is broken. Here is the right one

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_shooting

    Also it’s very easy to imagine things going very badly if everyone in a tightly packed crowd is armed. Besides the obvious inevitability of stray bullets, there’s also the element of confusion. You won’t necessarily know who the “good guys” and the “bad guys” are in that situation.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    , @Twinkie
  87. Brutusale says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The fact that so many consider neither Kelly nor his wife to be sympathetic characters is telling, Steve.

  88. znon says:
    @niteranger

    Simply blindfolding and book writing won’t appeal to the new video generation. Perhaps something more interactive? Perhaps ball gags, handcuffs and upstairs maid outfits, with a video collection from the locals would be more instructive.

  89. AndrewR says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Tamikka Brents (who suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round in her fight with Fallon Fox) would surely disagree with Amy

    “I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right. Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch”

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  90. The campaign spokesman for Arizona Democratic Senate candidate Mark Kelly referred to police as “worthless f—ing pigs” on Twitter in August, a comment that could complicate Kelly’s effort to distance himself from radical anti-police sentiment from the left flank of his party.

    Emphasis mine.

    You know, one has to wonder, is there a special class in Journo school where our future members of the fourth estate are taught to how to select “soft” verbs for Democrats, and really really “harsh” verbs for Republicans?

    Republicans “seize.” They seize a lot of stuff.

    For Democrats, comments “complicate.”

    Let’s see, how about this?

    Hunter Biden’s crack smoking habit and sleazoid do-nothing gigs at corrupt foreign companies could “complicate” Joe Biden’s presidential run.

    Wow, this is easy.

    Can I get a 6-figure gig at the Post?

  91. Art Deco says:
    @Dr. X

    McCain’s voting record was generally starboard. There was a phase change around 1995 where he went from the right of the Republican caucus median to the left of the Republican caucus median, but he was never a temporizer on the order of Susan Collins or Mark Kirk, much less a liberal Republican like Clifford Case. His problem was that he was an attention whore who would throw a spanner into the works at just the wrong time, insult the base, or display one of his shticks. (The last act was the gratuitous insult his household directed at Sarah Palin).

    He was weirdly hostile to immigration enforcement. IIRC, he essentially lied through his teeth to the Republican electorate in 2010, promising enforcement and then conspiring with upChuck Schumer to engineer an amnesty. Marco Rubio and Kelly Ayotte pulled this stunt as well.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @David In TN
  92. @Anon

    5. Grab lunch at Chick Fil-A, and observe the staff closely, passing out job applications to the most impressive.

    Agree totally. They have some great people working at Chick Fil-A. I wish they’d replace most of the people working at the Motor Vehicles Department with Chick Fil-A employees.

  93. Art Deco says:
    @JimB

    Agreed. With the possible exception of Hellary, he’s the most egregious crook to have a shot at the presidency since Aaron Burr. And 50% of the population regards this with cud chewing indifference.

    • Replies: @anon
  94. FPD72 says:
    @ScarletNumber

    I agree with Susan Sontag that once upon a time Reader’s Digest was a great way to get the pulse of what middle America was thinking.

    Sontag’s statement wasn’t about what middle America was thinking, it was about the true nature of Communism. For example, it was Reader’s Digest that published in 1982 an article by Claire Sterling that linked the Soviet Union, through the Bulgarian KGB, to the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II.

    A complete quote concerning Reader’s Digest by Ms. Sontag was:

    Imagine, if you will, someone who read only the Reader’s Digest between 1950 and 1970, and someone in the same period who read only The Nation or The New Statesman. Which reader would have been better informed about the realities of Communism? The answer, I think, should give us pause. Can it be that our enemies were right?

  95. Art Deco says:

    They’re not held hostage by their junior staffers at all. The people doing the cancelling are directors and senior executives. They ignore people all the time and can ignore the kvetching Millennials on their staff if they care to do so. They can also tell said Millennials to find work elsewhere.

    Mark Kelly could have fired this twit; he elected not to and that tells you something about Mark Kelly.

  96. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    cud chewing indifference.

    An apt description of the American middle class. No wonder the war against them is going so well.

  97. @James O'Meara

    Popular election of senators, as opposed to them being appointed by the legislature of their state as originally done, was all part of the very conscious emasculation of the states as actors with agency in a genuine, functioning republic.

    In the wake of the War of Northern Aggression, this was done to help in assuring that the real power was to be found in the “federal” government. It was framed as a move to clean up government, of course, and the feckless, deracinated citizens of these united states were successfully manipulated to hand over this power, basically in toto. That this was largely done through the suasion of progressive Republicans (notice how the word republic was equated with centralized political control? A “republic” no more…) is unsurprising, as this was the agenda of the very same people who had resorted to a bloody war to disempower the states who felt that their assent to further participation in the union could be withdrawn. The use of a Constitutional amendment to advance their goal of devolving all genuine power to the federal government was very mild in contrast, and an easy sell.

  98. J1234 says:
    @Dr. X

    The staffer’s apology:

    “I deeply regret my comment and apologize for what I wrote — I was wrong,” L’Heureux said in a written statement. “My comment does not reflect who I am or what I believe….

    And the offender made the vicious anti-cop statement only three months ago. That’s quite a transformation. Given Kelly’s contradictory actions and speech on guns, it seems that he ended up with a staffer who reflects who he [Kelly] is and what he “believes” (i.e., insincerity.) Two peas in a pod.

  99. @Anonymous

    “Egypt is located on the continent of Africa”

    Sure, but the Egyptians didn’t think that, nor care. To them, they were living in Egypt. Or more specifically, on the banks of the Nile, which was literally their life-support system. Egypt is also located adjacent to the eastern Mediterranean, to Greece, Anatolia, Persia, Syria and Babylonia, all of with whom they had deeper relations than the rest of Africa.

  100. @nebulafox

    Ah, so Harris for Dogaressa? I never found her that ideologically motivated, just, like Biden, a hyper-ambitious mediocrity who goes with the flow. Question is what the flow will be, within her party and nationally.

  101. Sean says:
    @James O'Meara

    Susan Sontag: “Anyone who read the Reader’s Digest would have been better informed about Vietnam than the readers of The Nation.”

    Well the Korean war not ending in victory was hardly a secret, and anyone who knew about that would have been able to realise that Vietnam (which also had a border with China) was unlikely to end well for the US. MacArthur privately advised against getting committed in Vietnam, but in the decision to fight it is not necessarily they most important thing to know that you will win. Indeed, President Lyndon B. Johnson was advised by the army Chief if Staff that victory in Vietnam would require national mobilization and calling out the reserves, which was not done. Lyndon B. Johnson is the only pres in living memory to take the white vote from the Republicans. In 2004 Bush did even better with whites than Trump.

    The government, the group theorized, would not exist without war, and nation states existed in order to wage war. War served the vital function of diverting collective aggression. They recommended “credible substitutes” and paying a “blood price” to emulate the economic functions of war. Prospective government-devised alternatives to war included reports of alien life-forms, the reintroduction of a “euphemized form” of slavery “consistent with modern technology and political processes”, and – one deemed particularly promising in gaining the attention of the malleable masses – the threat of “gross pollution of the environment”.

    John Kenneth Galbraith advised the authors of The Report from Iron Mountain.

  102. @Art Deco

    McCain was in the Keating Five Affair. This made him court the MSM even more than he had up to that time. Pre-Keating, McCain tended to be cautious about military intervention. Afterward, and the rest of his days, he was all in for the neocon wars.

    McCain’s Open Borders position made the media like him, but he was a true believer.

    I recall when McCain won the 2008 South Carolina GOP primary, which put him on the way to the nomination, the voters in exit interviews were surprised McCain was so hostile to immigration enforcement.

    The “conservative Republican” South Carolina voters said they voted for McCain because he was a “war hero.” They didn’t bother to check his policy positions.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  103. @JimB

    I’ll repeat what I commented at another thread. The Left likes Biden precisely because he is a weak white man. As you say, “the most compromised presidential candidate in US history.”

  104. Neoconned says:
    @Whiskey

    I randomly met Judge John Rolls former bodyguard in Tucson a couple of years ago. He was a retired US Marshal and was telling me about a gun plot against the judge by some mob figures or some such.

    He personally told me he thought the McCain family and other prominent Arizona political factions were in on the assassination and that JLL was trained by them, or something.

    I don’t claim to know much of or about Arizona politics so I’ll chalk his story up as a conspiracy….but i thought it was interesting….

    • Replies: @216
  105. @J.Ross

    Ah yes, these beliefs of the junior staffer are totally festooned on the Democratic Party by the Chinese government and not the sincere beliefs of millions of college educated women and soyboys raised in broken homes by hedonist boomers.

    And it was obviously Xinhua News and those Chinese professors who inculcated them, not the domestic academia class of 68 refuseniks who hate China because they refuse globohomo (Harvard Faculty Union had formally denounced China for not letting fags marry in spite of being Communist back in 2012, this staffer is also queer)

    And certainly not the globalist media who had their Beijing offices closed by the Communist Party Standing Committee in April!

    The contours of this dem ticket also look wholly Chinese and not exactly identical to the Deep State CIA color revolutions that America tried to push on China in 1989. Damn that Xi!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  106. lysias says:
    @black sea

    But Sanders demonstrated an ability to raise lots of money from small donors. I don’t think that was the real reason.

    • Replies: @black sea
  107. Not Raul says:
    @International Jew

    So that’s from the Washington Free Beacon. How many Arizona voters will see it? The question is whether the local press saying anything.

    The voters on Facebook will see it.

    Speaking of the Washington Free Beacon:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-free-beacon-funded-original-fusion-gps-anti-trump-opposition-effort

  108. Art Deco says:
    @David In TN

    Pre-Keating, McCain tended to be cautious about military intervention. Afterward, and the rest of his days, he was all in for the neocon wars.

    I assume you’re referring to Desert Storm, the Kosovo operation, Afghanistan, and the Iraq War.

    1. All but two Republicans in the Senate voted to authorize Desert Storm. One of the two dissenters was Mark Hatfield, who was a functional pacifist.

    2. About 30% of the Republican Senate caucus favored the Kosovo resolution

    3. 98 of 100 Senators voted to authorize the Afghanistan war. The other two were absent.

    4. About 3/4 of the Senate voted to authorize the Iraq war. The only Republican dissident was Lincoln Chafee, who usually voted with the Democrats (and later left the Republican Party).

    Other than Kosovo, I’m not seeing how McCain’s viewpoint is at all distinguished from what was modal in the Republican caucus.

    The military operations of note initiated during McCain’s 1st six years in Congress were fairly brief forays into Grenada and Panama. I’m quite sure he publicly endorsed the former; he had a militant disposition toward the Noriega regime in Panama; not sure how that translated into policy. The military missions he opposed over a period of 13 years, before and after the Keating matter, were in Lebanon (1982-84), Somalia (1992-93), and Haiti (1994-96). All were of a modest scale and none were understood at the beginning to include combat.

  109. Not Raul says:
    @Anonymous

    Cleopatra was of Greek ancestry, so she probably looked a lot more Jewish than Black African.

  110. vinteuil says:
    @Art Deco

    The people doing the cancelling are directors and senior executives.

    Interesting – and you seem to be enough of an insider to know.

    BTW – have you listened to the interview Curtis Yarvin (a.k.a. Mencius Moldbug) did with Chris Buskirk a few days ago?

    I came away with the uncomfortable feeling that he (Moldbug) is mostly right.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  111. @Art Deco

    Other than Kosovo, I’m not seeing how McCain’s viewpoint is at all distinguished from what was modal in the Republican caucus.

    Not even bothering to look for data is something that characterizes a bunch of commenters here. They’re not readers. They’re writers – of anything that pops into their heads. They’re not interested in fact – they’re interested in advancing their preferred narrative.

    Your reference to the Eisenhower’s speech about the military-industrial complex as saying the diametric opposite of what journalists have said it does, for 60+ years, is a case in point. It actually helped dispel a long-held belief I had about it – the conventional journalistic position that Ike thought current defense spending levels (~4% of GDP) are stratospherically out of control. In reality, the speech made the case for a significant amount (presumably not much more than 10%, which is roughly where Ike held it throughout his 2 terms). I linked to this speech when rebutting some Unz commenter’s remark about Ike’s views on the military-industrial complex. His response? In effect, “you expect me to read all that”?

  112. Art Deco says:
    @vinteuil

    Interesting – and you seem to be enough of an insider to know.

    Who else gets to fire Ellen deGeneres?

  113. Art Deco says:

    BTW – have you listened to the interview Curtis Yarvin (a.k.a. Mencius Moldbug) did with Chris Buskirk a few days ago?

    Why would I do that?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  114. @AndrewR

    Also it’s very easy to imagine things going very badly if everyone in a tightly packed crowd is armed. Besides the obvious inevitability of stray bullets, there’s also the element of confusion. You won’t necessarily know who the “good guys” and the “bad guys” are in that situation.

    It’s easy to imagine any number of outcomes. If there had been many, you can bet that the press would have pounced them endlessly, much as Emmett Till is the byword for lynchings. And yet, crickets. The average law-abiding gun owner is not a trigger-happy moron. For one thing, discharging a weapon during a confrontation is nothing like in the movies, where cops are giving you high fives and practically inducting you into the police department as an honorary life member. You are opening yourself up for legal liability. And the bad guys have a way of shooting back. So people who are going to get involved make very sure of their targets. The only person blasting away at everyone in sight is the bad guy.

    Hollywood tropes are just that – tropes with no resemblance to reality. Like the silenced gun that makes a soft hiss when discharging instead of a firecracker sound. Or the homicide cop who throws up every time he sees a cadaver.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  115. bomag says:
    @Alden

    How can that be??

    white people not working hard enough to stop the homicides.

  116. Kronos says:
    @Ganderson

    The same very much goes with urban areas in China (more or less.) There’s rampant corruption but steady economic growth and raising standards of living. The US seemed to only centralize corruption to such a high degree that only high end banksters can pull it off.

  117. @Art Deco

    They’re not held hostage by their junior staffers at all. The people doing the cancelling are directors and senior executives.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-tournament-man-for-man-scariest-social-justice-jihadis/#comment-4024121 (#27)

  118. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    Generally agree here, and it’s one reason so many governors crowd into the primaries.

    But we are in an age where the Left media is more pervasive and honing their propaganda skills; if they can drag Biden’s carcass over the line, they will have shown they can get a mannequin elected.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    , @David In TN
  119. J.Ross says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Ah yes, these beliefs of the junior staffer are totally festooned on the Democratic Party by the Chinese government and not the sincere beliefs of millions of college educated women and soyboys raised in broken homes by hedonist boomers.

    This is an academic distinction because of abundant Chinese connections to American family brokenness: fentanyl, Chinese education programs, Chinese devouring of manufacturing. You are surely right that the pinkhair in question was screwed up without outside help, but Kelly himself is literally a Chinese government employee, depended on Chinese investment for his businesses, and called his visit to China the most meaningful event in his life (this is a guy who left the planet).

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  120. 216 says:
    @Neoconned

    John McCain’s father-in-law had mob ties, the source of his family wealth.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  121. Its like no-one ever told these young people where political power comes from, that without police, political office is meaningless.

  122. @Art Deco

    I watched CNN’s talk shows during the run-up to Desert Storm. It was a politician’s balancing act but McCain was cautious while supporting it. He had an air of “I know what war is like,” due to his Vietnam POW status

    In 1990 I didn’t know much about McCain aside from his Vietnam POW aura. I assumed he was a typical Arizona conservative. In 1983 McCain voted against the MLK holiday, something he did teary mea culpas for the rest of his life.

    In the early 90’s CSPAN was doing hour long interviews with prominent politicians. I watched Brian Lamb with John Kerry. Lamb mentioned John McCain as a Vietnam veteran supposedly the opposite of Kerry on foreign policy. Kerry replied with something like, “Actually John and I aren’t that far apart.” I don’t remember the exact words but that’s close. It always stuck with me.

    You acknowledge McCain opposed military missions in Lebanon, Somalia, and Haiti. If you send troops on “peace-keeping missions,” there is always a chance for combat.

  123. @JohnPlywood

    You’re confused. Soft sciences are prefrontal cortex material. Hard sciences are more cerebral.

    That’s the point I was attempting to make, but I obviously failed.

  124. @Anonymous

    There are shockingly few US senators you would even consider hiring — for just about anything in the private sector — if they showed up for an interview. And “senator” is highly overrated as a qualification for the presidency — all they do is talk and that’s the way the job was designed, to minimize the damage they can do.

  125. Mark Kelly isn’t a good guy, in case Steve has been tricked again. he agrees with the left on everything, because he is a leftist.

    he’s not being held hostage by anybody. Mark Kelly wants a disarmed America cowering in fear and is totally fine with the police never helping you. Mark Kelly will vote yes on the Biden-Harris “Yes, we’re taking your guns” bill and he’ll celebrate it too. Mark Kelly doesn’t have any problem at all with random street criminals threatening law abiding citizens, and wants those citizens unable to fight back. he’s said nothing at all about the 6 months of leftist riots, and completely agrees with leftist violence to achieve leftist goals.

    as a total boomer, Steve seems to still be tricked by ostensible good guys who are actually bad guys. Trump has the same problem.

  126. @Guy De Champlagne

    [Pro tip: Just ping yourself in the forehead with a hammer for four years instead of attending a decent liberal arts institution. It’ll save your parents a lot of cash.]

    This is such a pathetic and stupid cope. As though there is no value in being socialized into the cultural elite and as though that elite isn’t mopping the floor with you constantly.

    Sure, there’s value “in being socialized into the cultural elite.” But who wants that? Call me a near-boomer, but I don’t feel like I’ve been a mophead for anyone. I wish my hair would grow back, it’s true, but never been a mophead.

    And I’ve mopped floors.

  127. This point about crazy young political staffers echoes the situation at the tech giants — a lot of the blatant favoritism toward the left reportedly is driven by the hysterical young employees, not just the corporate bigwigs.

  128. Neoconned says:
    @216

    Didn’t know that. The judge’s bodyguard had been his guard per his US Marshal duties as an agent of the court, or whatever.

    I thought his claim that the mass shooting was some kind of Oswald type patsy job where some spook or cop or something sets up some kook as a fall guy hard to believe given what i read on the case & what i personally recall seeing on the news in the early part of this decade…..i just don’t buy it….

    It was an interesting conspiracy theory to hear though…..

    I will say this though…..again…..i know next to nothing about Arizona politics…..so for all i know the bodyguard guy…..who was now a horse trainer or something…..was onto something….*shrugs*

  129. @J.Ross

    Those jobs were already exported to the Japanese and Mexicans before China. The tech bit is obvious as the first Apple computer had half its innards made in Japan (hence the “designed in California”), but a non-tech company like 3M and Johnson and Johnson with freely available studies charting the history of the company will tell you those jobs were exported first to the Japanese and Mexicans in the late 1970s, starting in the Carter administration. The Japanese even have a term for it; ‘baburu keiki’ and chart it’s end when Deng set up the Shenzhen Free Trade Zone in 1990.

    As far as fentanyl, India is the largest producer and has been since 2014. China learned the hard way when their population got disposable income around 2010-2012 and the drug use exploded. They clamped down and scaled back production. This was a major facet of Xi’s power base building, These Politburo guys don’t appear out of nowhere and they do things to cement a PR cult as well. Striking down meth and fentanyl consumption and production was a big optics campaign when I first arrived in country.

    The influence of China on our academic system is also relatively new thing. The boomer academics simply did not support it. This may seem like esoterica, but as someone who lived in that environment: the Sino-Soviet split actually mattered to those drones. My communist dean scrubbed all evidence of my work there when he heard I was going to China, and tried to lure me back to team Woke Marxism Variety over cognac and cheese. I got from him, a fellow whose father was a Hollywood Blacklist victim, the riot act telling me that going over to team Mao was unacceptable for the ideological character of the “university family”. Who would’ve figured?

    I started teaching in 2009 and hadn’t even run into a Confucius Institute until 2014, well into my 2nd big research project. My post history will reveal that I became a Thousand Talents Scholar shortly after, but you are projecting a backstory of Chinese influence that simply didn’t exist. This was a North-Korea style regime until the mid 80s. I live in the North of the country and it evidences itself every day.

    • Thanks: Dissident
  130. fnn says:

    Borat (playing Abbie Hoffman) says free speech is a good thing, in stark contrast to the real life SBC:

    • Thanks: RichardTaylor
  131. Corvinus says:

    “How much are the Kellys, and Bidens, going to be held hostage by their junior staffers?”

    None. Next manufactured question, please.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
  132. @bomag

    They’ve kept whites from being pro-white for 75 years already, which is a much greater feat.

  133. Twinkie says:
    @AndrewR

    Also it’s very easy to imagine things going very badly if everyone in a tightly packed crowd is armed.

    Fifty-some people were shot by the perpetrator and twenty-three were killed. It’s hard to imagine a scenario worse than that. It only stopped there, because the perpetrator was shot by the police twice and was running out of ammo (and killed himself).

    Of course, we can never know whether Hupp could have stopped it if she were armed. But in other cases where mass shooters were confronted by armed citizens, they usually retreated or fled. I think chances are pretty good that the outcome would have been better than the bloodbath that actually happened.

    As it were, successful mass shootings almost always occur at places where there is low likelihood of armed resistance (schools, churches, government buildings, etc.).

    Nobody comes to a gun show or an NRA meeting to commit mass murder.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  134. black sea says:
    @lysias

    When Carville referred to Democratic donors, I believe he meant big-league donors with enough money and power to exercise significant influence over the party, not small donors. But I could of course be wrong.

  135. @AndrewR

    Yes men are stronger than women, And as strength is becoming less and less important men have fallen and continue to fall behind women in almost every other area.

    It would be completely irrational to keep a around a group of people whose sole skill was being able to beat you up. What a pathetic cope to fall back on that.

  136. @WJ

    They more than likely obtained worthless degrees and can find no employment.

    The article is about someone in an important position of a major political campaign. I swear its like a mental disease with you people. You just can’t see what right in front of your face.

    These people don’t have a future other than confiscation of other people’s stuff.

    You mean every high paying job? That’s what elites do, they take other peoples stuff. That’s why people want to be elites and if they say they don’t they’re either stupid, emotionally unbalanced, or, for the vast majority, lying.

    It’s like people saying they don’t want to be popular in school. It’s because they know they can’t be. It’s a pathetic, transparent, cope.

  137. bomag says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    This is such a pathetic and stupid cope. As though there is no value in being socialized into the cultural elite and as though that elite isn’t mopping the floor with you constantly.

    The elites aren’t “mopping” any floors; they are pretty much losing and being replaced.

    The path to elite through the universities leaves people barren and cucked. The good advice is to avoid it.

  138. @bomag

    “;…if they can drag Biden’s carcass over the line, they will have shown they can get a mannequin elected.”

    In 2000 they got a dead man elected to the U.S. Senate.

  139. vinteuil says:
    @Art Deco

    Why would I do that?

    Just for the fun of it?

    MM often spills the beans about a lot of interesting stuff that us g*ys…
    aren’t supposed to know about.

    And, at his best, he writes better – more clearly & succinctly, than his supposed idol, Carlyle.

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