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Black people periodically go through boom eras when white people can’t seem to get enough of them, such as in the late 1960s and then in the late 1980s-early 1990s. But blacks then overplay their hand and step on the wrong toes, usually Jewish ones. Black anti-Semitism launched neo-conservatism in the late 1960s (along with Israel’s victory in 1967) (see Tom Wolfe’s Radical Chic for how Leonard Bernstein’s fundraising party for the Black Panthers foundered upon Jewish resentment of Black Power shakedowns of their shopkeeper relatives). Black anti-Semitism later brought a media backlash against the Spike Lee-gangsta rap-Minister Farrakhan era 30 years ago.

Now, one of the founders of gangsta rap, movie star Ice Cube of NWA’s “Straight Outta Compton” fame, who used Black Muslim’s Fruit of Islam bodyguards to battle the Easy-E/Jerry Heller axis’s employment of Rabbi Kahane’s Jewish Defense Force, is airing out his resentments of Jews again:

This mural was known as Freedom for Humanity. Only two of the six old-time financiers depicted are Jewish (Lord Rothschild and Paul Warburg) but the general style is pretty Weimar/Nazi-ish. It was painted by a white guy pal of Shepherd Fairey (of blue-red Obama poster fame) who calls himself Mear One.

We’ll see what happens next, but, much as everybody is currently forgetting, we have been down these paths before.

 
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  1. No , I think not , our bomb shelter had a carpet a phone and a fire place . Potters Bar was never bombed , the USA rented it for VIP’s during the war . We lived there post war . It was on a quiet country lane . Our home had farms and fields to the right and the left and an orchard behind the lawn . I wore a little grey school uniform , shorts and knee socks . An obnoxious American but I fit right in . I won a ribbon for a foot race and would you believe I had an English accent ? We had a Parakeet that used to say “I Like Ike ” and a Boxer named Sweetie Pie . The Thompsons had a farm across the field to the left of our home . I , at the age of 5 used to make my way across the fields to their farm house and Mrs. Thompson would make a fuss over me and feed me . When my folks would go away they would send me to stay with our gardener and his wife who would put me up and when she would put me to bed at night she would tuck me into a nest of pillows . Jesus I was blessed . Once and awhile my oldman used to have to go over to the Continent . We would take him down to the to catch the boat train and I remember there was still rubble from the Blitz in the streets . Even now in the Spring and Summer when I go out to my car on a sunny day and look at the the blue sky past the green leaves of the Poplars and see the puffy clouds I think of England . That world , if it ever existed can never be recovered , it exists only in my memory . Well I will hold that precious memory of old England until the day I die . And that world will die with me and all of you who might remember it .
    • Replies: @dearieme, @Captain Tripps

    So we will take our memories with us and like Cap’t Kidd’s treasure they will become the stuff of myths and legends , the stuff that dreams are made of , not the future but the past . Could it be that we are blessed and the future is cursed ?

  2. Almost as if white people’s attitude to blacks is significantly determined by Jewish-controlled media…….

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Kent Nationalist

    I'm rooting for the Jews. In the black fantasy world whites would be rendered to ash. In the Jewish world which hues closer to reality we whites will always find a place in their pornography industry.

  3. as everybody is currently forgetting, we have been down these paths before.

    Human nature in a nutshell. We need to re-learn the same lessons over and over.

    “The educated differ from the uneducated as much as the living from the dead.”
    ARISTOTLE

  4. Black anti-Semitism launched neo-conservatism in the late 1960s (along with Israel’s victory in 1967)

    How did black anti-Semitism launch Israel’s victory? By inspiring Arabs to pick a fight they couldn’t win?

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't know if you are just kidding, but the comment is saying that Israel's victory in 1967 also launched neo-conservatism.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

    , @gepay
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg Cesar How did black anti-Semitism launch Israel’s victory? By inspiring Arabs to pick a fight they couldn’t win?

    the arabs didn't start the '67 war. Israel launched it pre- emptively So they said. But the arabs had not been planning a war so they were surprised by naked aggression. the third war that Israel launched.
    Before the internet when I thought the NYT or the Wash Po did good reporting. I too thought that Israel had launched the '67 war believing they were about to be attacked by the Arabs. If you just get what you think are facts from the mainstream media, you too will believe lies.

  5. We’ll see what happens next, but, much as everybody is currently forgetting, we have been down these paths before.

    Yes, your correct. Now this is an old MADtv skit I recall from my young childhood days but I feel it’s important. (Numerous black celebrities have gone “cray-cray” on such issues.

    I’m guessing from the subtitles you can only broadcast such material in far distant countries away from SJWs and frivolous lawsuits. I currently already have three former MADtv stars hiding in my attic trying to escape neo-Puritanist LA, California via the Underground Comedy Railroad (UCR.) Hopefully, they can escape to Canada and travel by plane to Japan. Where they can freely practice sketch comedy unhindered.

    • LOL: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Kronos

    Kronos - Thanks for sharing this bit of comedy gold! Did you have this clip stashed away in your vault? Guess it makes sense that you would have to go to Japan to find it because the possession, production or use of such material these days will quickly get you canceled from polite society and public life.

    Replies: @Kronos

  6. Who are these guys supposed to be? Going by the style of their suits, they look like politicians from around the time of the Balfour Declaration, 1917. But I don’t know enough of early Zionist era history to identify the faces, which look like they might be of actual people.

    • Replies: @Mr Mox
    @PiltdownMan

    The one on the left is probably Alfred Krupp, and third from the left could be Bismarck.

    , @International Jew
    @PiltdownMan

    Two out of the six are Jews. (Maybe Steve added that information after you posted this comment...)

    I say, Ice Cube will keep his blue check. Two Jews out of six isn't going to be enough to get him in trouble.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Magylson, @OFWHAP

    , @Adam Smith
    @PiltdownMan


    Who are these guys supposed to be?
     
    Nathaniel Mayer Rothschild, John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, Aleister Crowley, Andrew Carnegie and Paul Warburg.

    Replies: @anon

  7. Where is Capers Funnye when America needs him most?!

  8. “see Tom Wolfe’s Radical Chic for how Leonard Bernstein’s fundraising party for the Black Panthers foundered upon Jewish resentment of Black Power shakedowns of their shopkeeper relatives”

    The Black Panthers pro-Palestinian attitude, as I recall, also came up.

    • Replies: @carloshathitachithesecond
    @Paul

    The reason Jews constantly lose in the long run is not that they are insufficiently smart but that they are also neurotic and have a self destructive streak. They were thumped down several times in history, the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 69/70 by the Romans was one, heavy losses in the Nazi era in Europe being another (and millions did die, though exact numbers I do not care to debate: they lost a lot, but by no means were most people who died as a result of WWII Jewish).

    The Palestinians are not a very impressive enemy, though. Of course, Palestinians are all real Semites, and many Jews are not really Semites at all, or only marginally.

    However, they have survived as a people and will continue to do so. Others who disparage them ought to look at their own people and ask if they also can likely make that claim, and, if not, perhaps first get their own house in order.

    Israel is, in essence-translated into English-based on a simple concept: We must secure the existence of Jewish people and the future of Jewish children. They seem, for all their flaws and eccentricities and the occasional outrage, to be succeeding at that.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @bigdicknick, @AnotherDad

  9. Jews are smart … but they’re not that smart. They’ve miscalculated before. They imagine the POC army will always be “allied” with them but someday it will be unmanageable.

    Don’t bet on Jews always being able to shut it down.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @RichardTaylor

    I also believe they’re far more prone to political/economic schisms then most other ethic/religious groups.

    1) Rich Jews (Bloomberg) vs Poor Jews (Sanders)

    2) Western European Jewry vs. Eastern European Jews (Khazar)

    3) Zionism vs. Bolshevism vs. Liberalism

    These three overlap quite a bit but the divisions are still there.

    https://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-the-emigration-of-jews-from-the-soviet-union-is-not-an-objective-of-american-foreign-policy-and-if-henry-kissinger-244378.jpg

    I always figured this was a German Jew slight against the eastern backward rural cousins that work with their hands. The hate is real. You come to the US from Poland and just to get blackballed by the German Jewish country club sucks.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the_myth_of_the_golf_nazi_steve_sailer/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @bigdicknick, @anonymous

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @RichardTaylor

    Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture.

    One of the implicit messages of the Israeli show Fauda on Netflix seems to be that without the hard-nosed, Arabic-speaking Mizrahi Jews keeping a lid on the Palestinian intifada, the country would have folded up.

    https://twitter.com/FaudaOfficial/status/907883403026075648?s=20

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @Corvinus, @AnotherDad

  10. Trannies fighting lesbians over JK Rowling and now Jews and Blacks. The more things change……

  11. Perhaps “Ice Cube” could rebrand himself as “Black Cube” – that might throw them off the trail for awhile.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Mr. Anon


    Perhaps “Ice Cube” could rebrand himself as “Black Cube” – that might throw them off the trail for awhile.
     
    My first thought: Black Ice would be an even cooler name (we northerners have a terrible fear of black ice per se).

    My second thought: Nah, that name is too good someone has got to be using it already and sure enough: https://music.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Ice (from San Antonio? Shouldn't Black Ice be from somewhere like Detroit, NYC, or Chicago?)

    My third thought: "Is the above mentioned Black Ice still alive?" will be left for the reader to answer.

  12. We’ll see what happens next, but, much as everybody is currently forgetting, we have been down these paths before.

    Here’s some totally chill bruthas sporting luxury menorah drip… I’ve long advised commenter Jack D to make like R. Kelly and get on that aliyah, will he get out in time?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites#Extremist_fringe

    • Replies: @wren
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Wow! Very impressive!

    Those folks, I believe, are "Israel United in Christ."

    https://israelunite.org/

    I didn't see much specifically about them at Wikipedia, but this being 2020, the SPLC, has an interesting article about them.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/04/11/courting-butt-naked-israel-united-christ-attempts-recruit-former-cannibal-and-leader

    They went to Liberia in an attempt to get the famous cannibal General Butt Naked to convert to IUC.

    Looks like their mission failed though.

    Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    , @Coemgen
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I much prefer this "Black Army":
    https://youtu.be/6UzN-WtrdHs

    , @Anonymous
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Welp... here we go... again...

    https://twitter.com/KimWrites4U/status/1268510639334453255?s=20
    https://youtu.be/1csr0dxalpI

  13. But if the Bernsteins thought their main problem at this point was a bad press, they were wrong. A controversy they were apparently oblivious of suddenly erupted around them. Namely, the bitterness between Jews and blacks over an issue that had been building for three years, ever since Black Power became important. The first inkling the Bernsteins had was when they started getting hate mail, some of it apparently from Jews of the Queens-Brooklyn Jewish Defense League variety. Then the League’s national chairman, Rabbi Meir Kahane, blasted Lenny publicly for joining a “trend in liberal and intellectual circles to lionize the Black Panthers . . . We defend the right of blacks to form defense groups, but they’ve gone beyond this to a group which hates other people. That’s not nationalism, that’s Naziism. And if Bernstein and other such intellectuals do not know this, they know nothing.”

    The Jewish Defense League had been formed in 1968 for the specific purpose of defending Jews in low-rent neighborhoods, many of which are black. But even many wealthier and more cultivated Jews, who look at the Defense League as somewhat extremist, Low Rent and gauche, agreed essentially with the point Kahane was making. One of the ironies of the history of the Jews in America was that their long championship of black civil liberties had begun to backfire so badly in the late 1960s. As Seymour Lipset has put it, “The integrationist movement was largely an alliance between Negroes and Jews (who, to a considerable extent, actually dominated it). Many of the interracial civil-rights organizations have been led and financed by whites, and the majority of their white members have been Jews. Insofar as a Negro effort emerged to break loose from involvement with whites,from domination of the civil-rights struggle by white liberals, it meant concretely a break with Jews, for they were the whites who were active in these movements. The Black Nationalist leadership had to push whites (Jews) ‘out of the way,’ and to stop white (Jewish) ‘interference’ in order to get whites (Jews) ‘off their backs.’”

    Meanwhile, Black Power groups such as SNCC and the Black Panthers were voicing support for the Arabs against Israel. This sometimes looked like a mere matter of black nationalism; after all, Egypt was a part of Africa, and black nationalist literature sometimes seemed to identify the Arabs as blacks fighting the white Israelis. Or else it looked like merely a commitment to world socialism; the Soviet Union and China supported the Arabs against the imperialist tools, the Israelis. But many Jewish leaders regarded the anti-Zionist stances of groups like the Panthers as a veiled American-brand anti-Semitism, tied up with such less theoretical matters as extortion, robbery and mayhem by blacks against Jews in ghetto areas. They cited things like the August 30, 1969, issue of Black Panther, which carried an article entitled “Zionism (Kosher Nationalism) + Imperialism = Fascism” and spoke of “the fascist pigs.” The June, 1967, issue of another Panther publication, Black Power, had carried a poem entitled “Jew-Land,” which said:

    Jew-Land, On a summer afternoon, Really, Couldn’t kill the Jews too soon,
    Now dig. The Jews have stolen our bread
    Their filthy women tricked our men into bed
    So I won’t rest until the Jews are dead . . .
    In Jew-Land, Don’t be a Tom on Israel’s side
    Really, Cause that’s where Christ was crucified.

    https://niemanstoryboard.org/stories/annotation-tuesday-tom-wolfe-and-radical-chic/

    “Radical Chic”, Tom Wolfe

  14. Paul says:

    “They [Jews] imagine the POC army will always be ‘allied’ with them but someday it will be unmanageable. Don’t bet on Jews always being able to shut it down.”

    The thinking of the Jewish power structure seems to me to be that pro-Palestinian members of The Squad, third-world immigrants, etc., are no match for Jewish money, control of media, etc. Politicians such as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi know which side their bread is buttered on.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Paul

    Control of media is the thing. If "black power" became a serious threat media would change just like that, everyone would know Christian Channon's name, etc etc.

    But that's not likely. Black power burned more cities more badly in the 60s, and nothing happened. Just watch the corporate sponsors disappear if BLM and Palestine become inextricably linked.

  15. Wow, back in the day, we had this intersectional solution to all our woes:

  16. Oh I see, good race realism for me, bad anti-semitism for thee. This sums up well this whole idiotic shitpost, and the HBD movement.

    The first tweet could well be anti-finance capitalism and anti robber baronism. It is all about that actually. That is why Corbyn promoted the mural.

    It does not even matter to Sailer that four out of the six figures depicted in the already charged and condemned (by the British 4th branch of government i.e the propaganda ministry and certain lobbies) “antisemitic” mural – John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, Aleister Crowley, Andrew Carnegie – are not jewish. It also does not matter that the author, one Kalen Ockerman, is of jewish descent. Because two jewish bankers appear in the mural, it is antisemitic. Period.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mear_One

    And anyone who tweets is an antisemite, of course.

    The second tweet is about ethnic awareness. Yes some black influencers are aware different ethnics in the US “melting pot” are competing with each other. Or maybe the guy is simply a closeted black Israelite. But to Sailer, this pedestrian tweet proves beyond reasonable doubt black antisemitism. Whatever that means.

    Steve Sailer, the “courageous” right wing “intellectual” who notices and bitches about… some ethnic traits more than others. There are places he really won’t go. It is all about punching down and rabble rousing you see.

    Sailer’s Inverse Intersectionalism: jews have more pokemon points than blacks and hispanics, so they are untouchable. Bravo!

    The concepts of nothing burger, shameless shitposting and conservative virtue signaling (to jews) come to mind.

    HBD is pure rabble rousing. Controlled opposition. A joke.

    • Agree: Bumpkin, Brás Cubas
    • LOL: IHTG
    • Troll: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Pegasus

    Black noticing.

    , @Brás Cubas
    @Pegasus

    While I agree with some -- possibly most -- of your considerations, I strongly doubt that Kalen Ockerman is "of Jewish descent". Could you back that up with any sources?

    , @peterike
    @Pegasus


    It does not even matter to Sailer that four out of the six figures depicted... are not jewish

     

    So "only" 33% of the figures are Jewish. Seems like massive over-representation compared to population. As usual.
    , @adreadline
    @Pegasus


    The first tweet could well be anti-finance capitalism and anti robber baronism. It is all about that actually. That is why Corbyn promoted the mural.
     
    Why did Corbyn, then, upon "look[ing] more closely'' vehemently declared the mural was anti-semitic and said he regretted promoting it? Could he be, in this instance at least, just another politician who is sorry, very sorry, he was caught doing did or supported something that is now considered taboo?
    , @Morton's toes
    @Pegasus

    I don't see a Crowley in that mural. And the wikipedia article does not have a citation for there being a Crowley in there either. That looks like a CIA-authored april fool style joke.

  17. • LOL: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Bucky
    @syonredux

    Old school comics were so much smarter than today's.

    , @Servant of Gla'aki
    @syonredux

    This makes me inordinately curious about the plot line of DR. STRANGE # 180....

  18. @RichardTaylor
    Jews are smart ... but they're not that smart. They've miscalculated before. They imagine the POC army will always be "allied" with them but someday it will be unmanageable.

    Don't bet on Jews always being able to shut it down.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Dave Pinsen

    I also believe they’re far more prone to political/economic schisms then most other ethic/religious groups.

    1) Rich Jews (Bloomberg) vs Poor Jews (Sanders)

    2) Western European Jewry vs. Eastern European Jews (Khazar)

    3) Zionism vs. Bolshevism vs. Liberalism

    These three overlap quite a bit but the divisions are still there.

    I always figured this was a German Jew slight against the eastern backward rural cousins that work with their hands. The hate is real. You come to the US from Poland and just to get blackballed by the German Jewish country club sucks.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the_myth_of_the_golf_nazi_steve_sailer/

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kronos

    The poet Karl Shapiro called eastern European Jews Vaudeville Jews. The Guggenheims versus the Marx brothers, I guess. I not sure who's had the last laugh.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @bigdicknick
    @Kronos

    my understanding is that the eastern euro jews were the more POS tending jews we are currently plagued with.

    , @anonymous
    @Kronos


    Poor Jews (Sanders)
     
    Sanders is a multi-millionaire who owns three houses including one in a gentrified part of DC.

    Replies: @Kronos

  19. wren says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    We’ll see what happens next, but, much as everybody is currently forgetting, we have been down these paths before.
     
    Here’s some totally chill bruthas sporting luxury menorah drip… I’ve long advised commenter Jack D to make like R. Kelly and get on that aliyah, will he get out in time?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites#Extremist_fringe

    https://twitter.com/KimWrites4U/status/1268510639334453255

    Replies: @wren, @Coemgen, @Anonymous

    Wow! Very impressive!

    Those folks, I believe, are “Israel United in Christ.”

    https://israelunite.org/

    I didn’t see much specifically about them at Wikipedia, but this being 2020, the SPLC, has an interesting article about them.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/04/11/courting-butt-naked-israel-united-christ-attempts-recruit-former-cannibal-and-leader

    They went to Liberia in an attempt to get the famous cannibal General Butt Naked to convert to IUC.

    Looks like their mission failed though.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @wren

    Even General Butt Naked has standards.

    Blacks are prone to remake already existing religions in order to make themselves the stars. Black "Jews" and Black "Islam." Their toxic levels of self-esteem, as Whiskey put it, combined with low iq.

  20. @Paul
    "see Tom Wolfe’s Radical Chic for how Leonard Bernstein’s fundraising party for the Black Panthers foundered upon Jewish resentment of Black Power shakedowns of their shopkeeper relatives"


    The Black Panthers pro-Palestinian attitude, as I recall, also came up.

    Replies: @carloshathitachithesecond

    The reason Jews constantly lose in the long run is not that they are insufficiently smart but that they are also neurotic and have a self destructive streak. They were thumped down several times in history, the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 69/70 by the Romans was one, heavy losses in the Nazi era in Europe being another (and millions did die, though exact numbers I do not care to debate: they lost a lot, but by no means were most people who died as a result of WWII Jewish).

    The Palestinians are not a very impressive enemy, though. Of course, Palestinians are all real Semites, and many Jews are not really Semites at all, or only marginally.

    However, they have survived as a people and will continue to do so. Others who disparage them ought to look at their own people and ask if they also can likely make that claim, and, if not, perhaps first get their own house in order.

    Israel is, in essence-translated into English-based on a simple concept: We must secure the existence of Jewish people and the future of Jewish children. They seem, for all their flaws and eccentricities and the occasional outrage, to be succeeding at that.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @carloshathitachithesecond

    >Of course, Palestinians are all real Semites, and many Jews are not really Semites at all, or only marginally.

    Some were, some weren't. The distant ancestors of the Palestinians were the local Roman inhabitants of the region who got Arabized in the centuries following the Arab conquest of the region. Most eventually converted to Islam, but a minority of them to this day keeps their Eastern Christian religion. Same story in Egypt and Syria.

    There are a bunch of Palestinians in Nablus who have Samaritan origins. Interestingly enough, that would mean the descendants of the "purist" schismatic Jews are now all today pious Muslims.

    Replies: @Agathoklis, @Old Jew

    , @bigdicknick
    @carloshathitachithesecond

    I think jews constantly lose because of their inability to see themselves objectively or just be self critical generally. You actually even see that from jewish posters on here. The 109 countries meme is a good example of that. If my people were kicked out of almost every country they ever lived in, i'd reflect on what caused people to keep getting so angry, but jews generally do not.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV

    , @AnotherDad
    @carloshathitachithesecond


    However, they have survived as a people and will continue to do so. Others who disparage them ought to look at their own people and ask if they also can likely make that claim, and, if not, perhaps first get their own house in order.


    Israel is, in essence-translated into English-based on a simple concept: We must secure the existence of Jewish people and the future of Jewish children. They seem, for all their flaws and eccentricities and the occasional outrage, to be succeeding at that.
     
    Agreed.

    Jews are not the really confused people. I think they have let their paranoia and anti-gentile hostility wildly overbake their diversity project in the US--which has treated Jews better than pretty much any middle man minority has been treated anywhere. But the diversity project was in service of Jewish power/interests.

    Jews actively look after Jewish interests and survival--as they rightfully should and always have. Their nation in Israel has managed to fix the modern fertility issue--though it has to do something to make the Haredi actually pay their way. Jews aren't disappearing and will be around for a long time.

    The same can not be said about white gentiles. We are the confused people who let others--Jews, blacks, muzzies, random foreigners--push us around with no push back.

    This is our tragedy. Marrying out, de-tribalizing under Christianity, building the world's highest affective empathy allowed us to have high-trust-at-scale, to build cohesive nation states, to industrialize and create the most powerful and prosperous nations on earth. Far, far, superior, more productive, more pleasant--just plain better--than the Jews or any other peoples' tribalism. (The Japanese created high trust at scale through some different route i don't claim to understand.)

    But ... this high affective empathy and high trust makes us suckers for getting rolled by outsiders. More tribal, lower trust people simply abuse our empathy and trust and take advantage.

    Ironically, whites are simply going to have get more hard-headed, and unfortunately more tribal, in order to preserve our unique genetic and cultural package of non-tribalism, high empathy and trust and the prosperous law-abiding nations that flow from it.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

  21. @RichardTaylor
    Jews are smart ... but they're not that smart. They've miscalculated before. They imagine the POC army will always be "allied" with them but someday it will be unmanageable.

    Don't bet on Jews always being able to shut it down.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Dave Pinsen

    Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture.

    One of the implicit messages of the Israeli show Fauda on Netflix seems to be that without the hard-nosed, Arabic-speaking Mizrahi Jews keeping a lid on the Palestinian intifada, the country would have folded up.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think that's right. People who actually conquer and hold territory are a different breed from those who only live as "cosmopolitans" in countries other men built.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @Dave Pinsen

    Israeli Jews are being hoisted on the petard that Jews built.

    Jews have long been criticized for their blatant hypocrisy regarding the type of society they want to live in where they are a minority vs. a majority. Where they are a minority, they favor open borders, secularism, multiculturalism and pandering to minorities. In Israel, quite the opposite.

    Some Jews may have drunk the Kool-Aid they prepared for the White Goyim. They actually come to believe their own rhetoric and feel guilty about the treatment of the Palestinians.

    , @Corvinus
    @Dave Pinsen

    "Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture."

    LOL. Science still has much to learn about the genetics of altruism. So you are making an assumption here.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Dave Pinsen


    Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture.
     
    I know some of these sincere Christian pathological altruists--in my own family. Depressing to behold.

    I see very little evidence for pathological altruism--heck, just plain old altruism--in Ashkenazi Jews.

    "You deserve to have my stuff."

    and

    "You deserve to take his stuff."

    Not the same thing.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous

  22. @Dave Pinsen
    @RichardTaylor

    Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture.

    One of the implicit messages of the Israeli show Fauda on Netflix seems to be that without the hard-nosed, Arabic-speaking Mizrahi Jews keeping a lid on the Palestinian intifada, the country would have folded up.

    https://twitter.com/FaudaOfficial/status/907883403026075648?s=20

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @Corvinus, @AnotherDad

    I think that’s right. People who actually conquer and hold territory are a different breed from those who only live as “cosmopolitans” in countries other men built.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @RichardTaylor

    The Ashkenazi Zionists did a decent job of conquering, but holding seems to require a different set of skills.

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @RichardTaylor

    "Cosmopolitans," yes indeed. American Jewish men don't impress anyone for their manliness. Could you see Rod Rosenstein in the IDF toting a rifle?

    There's an old saying regarding wealth creation - from shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations. The first generation earns the money, the second generation blows it and the third goes back to work. Same with regarding conquering and holding territory.

  23. Anonymous[534] • Disclaimer says:

    • LOL: Coemgen
  24. @PiltdownMan
    Who are these guys supposed to be? Going by the style of their suits, they look like politicians from around the time of the Balfour Declaration, 1917. But I don't know enough of early Zionist era history to identify the faces, which look like they might be of actual people.

    Replies: @Mr Mox, @International Jew, @Adam Smith

    The one on the left is probably Alfred Krupp, and third from the left could be Bismarck.

  25. Anonymous[534] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kronos
    @RichardTaylor

    I also believe they’re far more prone to political/economic schisms then most other ethic/religious groups.

    1) Rich Jews (Bloomberg) vs Poor Jews (Sanders)

    2) Western European Jewry vs. Eastern European Jews (Khazar)

    3) Zionism vs. Bolshevism vs. Liberalism

    These three overlap quite a bit but the divisions are still there.

    https://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-the-emigration-of-jews-from-the-soviet-union-is-not-an-objective-of-american-foreign-policy-and-if-henry-kissinger-244378.jpg

    I always figured this was a German Jew slight against the eastern backward rural cousins that work with their hands. The hate is real. You come to the US from Poland and just to get blackballed by the German Jewish country club sucks.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the_myth_of_the_golf_nazi_steve_sailer/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @bigdicknick, @anonymous

    The poet Karl Shapiro called eastern European Jews Vaudeville Jews. The Guggenheims versus the Marx brothers, I guess. I not sure who’s had the last laugh.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Anonymous

    The poet Karl Shapiro called eastern European Jews Vaudeville Jews. The Guggenheims versus the Marx brothers, I guess. I not sure who’s had the last laugh.

    In point of fact the Marx brothers were also German Jews, not ostjuden at all.

  26. Heh. Ron should give Ice Cube a column here. He’d fit right in.

    • LOL: wren
    • Replies: @Bucky
    @International Jew

    The anti Jewish stuff floating around here is like white rappers. It's just whites cucking to black militancy.

    Replies: @Gross Terry

  27. @RichardTaylor
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think that's right. People who actually conquer and hold territory are a different breed from those who only live as "cosmopolitans" in countries other men built.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    The Ashkenazi Zionists did a decent job of conquering, but holding seems to require a different set of skills.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Dave Pinsen

    The recent Ashkenazi immigrants (whether from the West and overwhelmingly religious, or from the former USSR and indifferent to western noble savage fantasies) are just as tough on "Palestinian" "rights" as are the Middle Eastern Jews.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  28. Don’t recall her name but some American black activist recently said: ‘They want our culture, but they don’t want us.’

    How about a public vote with the following four options:

    1) We want blacks and their culture.

    2) We want blacks but without their culture.

    3) We don’t want blacks but want their culture.

    4) We want neither blacks nor their culture.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Henry's Cat

    #4

  29. @Pegasus
    Oh I see, good race realism for me, bad anti-semitism for thee. This sums up well this whole idiotic shitpost, and the HBD movement.

    The first tweet could well be anti-finance capitalism and anti robber baronism. It is all about that actually. That is why Corbyn promoted the mural.

    It does not even matter to Sailer that four out of the six figures depicted in the already charged and condemned (by the British 4th branch of government i.e the propaganda ministry and certain lobbies) "antisemitic" mural - John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, Aleister Crowley, Andrew Carnegie - are not jewish. It also does not matter that the author, one Kalen Ockerman, is of jewish descent. Because two jewish bankers appear in the mural, it is antisemitic. Period.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mear_One

    And anyone who tweets is an antisemite, of course.

    The second tweet is about ethnic awareness. Yes some black influencers are aware different ethnics in the US "melting pot" are competing with each other. Or maybe the guy is simply a closeted black Israelite. But to Sailer, this pedestrian tweet proves beyond reasonable doubt black antisemitism. Whatever that means.

    Steve Sailer, the "courageous" right wing "intellectual" who notices and bitches about... some ethnic traits more than others. There are places he really won't go. It is all about punching down and rabble rousing you see.

    Sailer's Inverse Intersectionalism: jews have more pokemon points than blacks and hispanics, so they are untouchable. Bravo!

    The concepts of nothing burger, shameless shitposting and conservative virtue signaling (to jews) come to mind.

    HBD is pure rabble rousing. Controlled opposition. A joke.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Brás Cubas, @peterike, @adreadline, @Morton's toes

    Black noticing.

  30. @Reg Cæsar

    Black anti-Semitism launched neo-conservatism in the late 1960s (along with Israel’s victory in 1967)
     
    How did black anti-Semitism launch Israel's victory? By inspiring Arabs to pick a fight they couldn't win?

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @gepay

    I don’t know if you are just kidding, but the comment is saying that Israel’s victory in 1967 also launched neo-conservatism.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @al gore rhythms

    One of the more interesting takes on the '67 war's social effects inside NYC is the (frankly crappy) animated film "Fritz the Cat." The movie came out during a sequel war which must have added to the effect.

    Come to think of it, there was a pretty interesting angle on blacks, and even on gay blacks... David Frum was right, the 70s were more influential than the 60s.

    , @Alden
    @al gore rhythms

    Neo conservatism was just a sneaky way to get jews into leadership positions in the Republican Party It worked . Within 5 years republican Nixon was controlled by Jew Kissinger. Jews have controlled both parties for decades.

    Jews pretended to go along with Roosevelt’s programs and soon ruled the Democrats. After WW 2 jews concentrated on school and city destruction by their black storm troopers. By 1967 they ruled the democrats and moved on to the Republicans . Their strategy and tactics were to pretend to be all upset and appalled at what their black friends did to the city. The American neo conservative jews turning against the Soviet Union was one of the astonishing turn around in history. Jewish led movements always have at least 4 purposes, 3 ulterior.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  31. @PiltdownMan
    Who are these guys supposed to be? Going by the style of their suits, they look like politicians from around the time of the Balfour Declaration, 1917. But I don't know enough of early Zionist era history to identify the faces, which look like they might be of actual people.

    Replies: @Mr Mox, @International Jew, @Adam Smith

    Two out of the six are Jews. (Maybe Steve added that information after you posted this comment…)

    I say, Ice Cube will keep his blue check. Two Jews out of six isn’t going to be enough to get him in trouble.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @International Jew


    Two out of the six are Jews. (Maybe Steve added that information after you posted this comment…)
     
    My thanks to you, and to Mr. Sailer.
    , @Magylson
    @International Jew

    It got Jeremy corbyn into trouble. Twice.

    , @OFWHAP
    @International Jew

    "While being only 0.2% of the global population, they represent 33%..."

    -Ice Cube

  32. @International Jew
    Heh. Ron should give Ice Cube a column here. He'd fit right in.

    Replies: @Bucky

    The anti Jewish stuff floating around here is like white rappers. It’s just whites cucking to black militancy.

    • Replies: @Gross Terry
    @Bucky

    oh, we have our grievances with the tribe.

    https://apnews.com/974f8e9179014185a6f1d455005539af

  33. @syonredux
    http://www.fumettologica.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/tom-wolfe-hulk-1.jpg


    http://www.fumettologica.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/tom-wolfe-hulk-2.jpg

    Replies: @Bucky, @Servant of Gla'aki

    Old school comics were so much smarter than today’s.

    • Agree: Lurker
  34. No for these reasons:

    1. Jews no longer as sacred. Jews were valued because they had been the people saved during WWII. It made the people who fought in WWII feel a sense of nobility.

    2. Jewish vitality has diminished. There are fewer young Jews or Jewish communities today.

    3. Holocaust anxiety diminished over time. This makes them less likely to be confrontational and more cordial.

  35. Guess who’s above blacks on totem pole? Banned for asking questions.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @TelfoedJohn

    Its hard to spend your whole life believing that you are in charge, only to wake up one day and find out you're just a golem.

  36. @International Jew
    @PiltdownMan

    Two out of the six are Jews. (Maybe Steve added that information after you posted this comment...)

    I say, Ice Cube will keep his blue check. Two Jews out of six isn't going to be enough to get him in trouble.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Magylson, @OFWHAP

    Two out of the six are Jews. (Maybe Steve added that information after you posted this comment…)

    My thanks to you, and to Mr. Sailer.

  37. Will Black Anti-Semitism Once Again Short-Circuit the Latest Peak Black Moment?

    No, American Jews aren’t what they used to be. They’ll fall in line with woke liberalism.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @IHTG

    "Woke liberalism" is a Jewish creation. Herbert Marcuse, Saul Alinskey...

  38. Jews own Hollywood and the recording industry… Blacks always bite the hand that feeds them, whether white gentile, or jew.
    The intersectional totem pole is burning down with the cities.

  39. @IHTG

    Will Black Anti-Semitism Once Again Short-Circuit the Latest Peak Black Moment?
     
    No, American Jews aren't what they used to be. They'll fall in line with woke liberalism.

    Replies: @VinnyVette

    “Woke liberalism” is a Jewish creation. Herbert Marcuse, Saul Alinskey…

  40. @TelfoedJohn
    Guess who’s above blacks on totem pole? Banned for asking questions.

    https://twitter.com/PinealGlandyo/status/1268972767082397702

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Its hard to spend your whole life believing that you are in charge, only to wake up one day and find out you’re just a golem.

  41. @International Jew
    @PiltdownMan

    Two out of the six are Jews. (Maybe Steve added that information after you posted this comment...)

    I say, Ice Cube will keep his blue check. Two Jews out of six isn't going to be enough to get him in trouble.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Magylson, @OFWHAP

    It got Jeremy corbyn into trouble. Twice.

  42. @Henry's Cat
    Don't recall her name but some American black activist recently said: 'They want our culture, but they don't want us.'

    How about a public vote with the following four options:

    1) We want blacks and their culture.

    2) We want blacks but without their culture.

    3) We don't want blacks but want their culture.

    4) We want neither blacks nor their culture.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    #4

  43. I’ve always been embarrassed by the liberal Jewish establishment that always supported policies that ignored the vast majority of Americans and the vast majority of Jews. For decades I said that Jews should follow the Mormon model. Turns out Jews and Mormons are beginning to converge politically. Sigh. I’ll file this under be careful what you wish for.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/mitt-romney-takes-part-protest-supporting-black-lives-matter-near-n1227086

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    Morris, I lost all respect for Romney when during his debate with Obama, the moderate,Candy Crowley, magically had in hand, papers to support a point Obama was making. Romney just stood there when he should have stormed off the stage.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Harry Baldwin

  44. @wren
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Wow! Very impressive!

    Those folks, I believe, are "Israel United in Christ."

    https://israelunite.org/

    I didn't see much specifically about them at Wikipedia, but this being 2020, the SPLC, has an interesting article about them.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/04/11/courting-butt-naked-israel-united-christ-attempts-recruit-former-cannibal-and-leader

    They went to Liberia in an attempt to get the famous cannibal General Butt Naked to convert to IUC.

    Looks like their mission failed though.

    Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Even General Butt Naked has standards.

    Blacks are prone to remake already existing religions in order to make themselves the stars. Black “Jews” and Black “Islam.” Their toxic levels of self-esteem, as Whiskey put it, combined with low iq.

  45. @Dave Pinsen
    @RichardTaylor

    The Ashkenazi Zionists did a decent job of conquering, but holding seems to require a different set of skills.

    Replies: @International Jew

    The recent Ashkenazi immigrants (whether from the West and overwhelmingly religious, or from the former USSR and indifferent to western noble savage fantasies) are just as tough on “Palestinian” “rights” as are the Middle Eastern Jews.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @International Jew

    I got the impression that the Russians are particularly hardline because coming from the largest country on earth, they cannot fathom why such a tiny, potentially vulnerable state would give up land they already have for land they... also already have.

    Replies: @International Jew

  46. @carloshathitachithesecond
    @Paul

    The reason Jews constantly lose in the long run is not that they are insufficiently smart but that they are also neurotic and have a self destructive streak. They were thumped down several times in history, the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 69/70 by the Romans was one, heavy losses in the Nazi era in Europe being another (and millions did die, though exact numbers I do not care to debate: they lost a lot, but by no means were most people who died as a result of WWII Jewish).

    The Palestinians are not a very impressive enemy, though. Of course, Palestinians are all real Semites, and many Jews are not really Semites at all, or only marginally.

    However, they have survived as a people and will continue to do so. Others who disparage them ought to look at their own people and ask if they also can likely make that claim, and, if not, perhaps first get their own house in order.

    Israel is, in essence-translated into English-based on a simple concept: We must secure the existence of Jewish people and the future of Jewish children. They seem, for all their flaws and eccentricities and the occasional outrage, to be succeeding at that.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @bigdicknick, @AnotherDad

    >Of course, Palestinians are all real Semites, and many Jews are not really Semites at all, or only marginally.

    Some were, some weren’t. The distant ancestors of the Palestinians were the local Roman inhabitants of the region who got Arabized in the centuries following the Arab conquest of the region. Most eventually converted to Islam, but a minority of them to this day keeps their Eastern Christian religion. Same story in Egypt and Syria.

    There are a bunch of Palestinians in Nablus who have Samaritan origins. Interestingly enough, that would mean the descendants of the “purist” schismatic Jews are now all today pious Muslims.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
    @nebulafox

    You are probably referring to the Greek Orthodox and Greek Melkite Arab-speakers that form substantial minorities in Lebanon and Syria and smaller groups in Jordan. Some of them are also found in Palestine. The ancestors of those people are very likely former Greek settlers to the region; more than likely, in the wake of Alexander's conquests. Those people still use a Greek Orthodox liturgy but it is now in Arabic. Some identify very strongly with Byzantium. Nicholas Nassim Taleb is one of them.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @Old Jew
    @nebulafox

    The Samaritan in Nea-Polis (Nablus today) are Arabs ethnically, and Samaritans (kind of Jewish) religiously.
    A way larger portion of the Samaritan population lives in Holon (city in Tel Aviv metropolitan area) and thus are Israeli. There under a thousand of them alive today.

    Wikipedia has a nice well documented article on them.

  47. @International Jew
    @Dave Pinsen

    The recent Ashkenazi immigrants (whether from the West and overwhelmingly religious, or from the former USSR and indifferent to western noble savage fantasies) are just as tough on "Palestinian" "rights" as are the Middle Eastern Jews.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I got the impression that the Russians are particularly hardline because coming from the largest country on earth, they cannot fathom why such a tiny, potentially vulnerable state would give up land they already have for land they… also already have.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @nebulafox

    That but also because even their formerly huge country isn't into giving away land. Latvia proposed some kind of "border adjustment", around 1999. Putin told them to buzz off.

  48. Radical blacks,(for now), united with American society’s establishment?

    In other words, the phone call is coming from inside the building.

  49. @Dave Pinsen
    @RichardTaylor

    Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture.

    One of the implicit messages of the Israeli show Fauda on Netflix seems to be that without the hard-nosed, Arabic-speaking Mizrahi Jews keeping a lid on the Palestinian intifada, the country would have folded up.

    https://twitter.com/FaudaOfficial/status/907883403026075648?s=20

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @Corvinus, @AnotherDad

    Israeli Jews are being hoisted on the petard that Jews built.

    Jews have long been criticized for their blatant hypocrisy regarding the type of society they want to live in where they are a minority vs. a majority. Where they are a minority, they favor open borders, secularism, multiculturalism and pandering to minorities. In Israel, quite the opposite.

    Some Jews may have drunk the Kool-Aid they prepared for the White Goyim. They actually come to believe their own rhetoric and feel guilty about the treatment of the Palestinians.

  50. @RichardTaylor
    @Dave Pinsen

    I think that's right. People who actually conquer and hold territory are a different breed from those who only live as "cosmopolitans" in countries other men built.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    “Cosmopolitans,” yes indeed. American Jewish men don’t impress anyone for their manliness. Could you see Rod Rosenstein in the IDF toting a rifle?

    There’s an old saying regarding wealth creation – from shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations. The first generation earns the money, the second generation blows it and the third goes back to work. Same with regarding conquering and holding territory.

  51. @nebulafox
    @carloshathitachithesecond

    >Of course, Palestinians are all real Semites, and many Jews are not really Semites at all, or only marginally.

    Some were, some weren't. The distant ancestors of the Palestinians were the local Roman inhabitants of the region who got Arabized in the centuries following the Arab conquest of the region. Most eventually converted to Islam, but a minority of them to this day keeps their Eastern Christian religion. Same story in Egypt and Syria.

    There are a bunch of Palestinians in Nablus who have Samaritan origins. Interestingly enough, that would mean the descendants of the "purist" schismatic Jews are now all today pious Muslims.

    Replies: @Agathoklis, @Old Jew

    You are probably referring to the Greek Orthodox and Greek Melkite Arab-speakers that form substantial minorities in Lebanon and Syria and smaller groups in Jordan. Some of them are also found in Palestine. The ancestors of those people are very likely former Greek settlers to the region; more than likely, in the wake of Alexander’s conquests. Those people still use a Greek Orthodox liturgy but it is now in Arabic. Some identify very strongly with Byzantium. Nicholas Nassim Taleb is one of them.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Agathoklis

    That's one of the groups I'm referring to, yes, but I'm also referring to the original, indigenous pre-Alexander inhabitants. In that part of the empire, Greek-speakers only dominated in the urban areas, where there was a stable proto-middle class and intellgentsia. In the rural areas, Syriac and related languages dominated. There are still Syriac speaking Christians in Syria today... though how many after the civil war, I don't know. (Egypt was similar: in their case, the rural language was Coptic.)

    That's part of the reason the Monophysite divide within the church was so bitter: it wasn't just a theological issue, but a tribal one. I think Justinian's idea was that his marriage to Theodora could be the ultimate symbolism of the two parties reconciling, but at that point in the game the divide was too entrenched.

    BTW: always appreciate your comments on anything Ρωμιοί related. Endlessly fascinating stuff that you never hear about growing up in the USA.

    Replies: @Agathoklis

  52. Based on conversations with my fellow Jews, I’m not optimistic that Jews will realize that many groups in the “coalition-of-the fringes” don’t like them very much, and that white Americans are the most philo-semitic people they’ll ever meet. I think Jews will double down on their commitment to the “colation-of-the fringes.” They’ll probably try to blame white Christians for black antisemitism.

  53. a big component of wokeness is, it’s based on either being black or not knowing many blacks. Once a non-black person with a functioning brain actually is around a random sampling of blacks its hard to believe this crap.

  54. @carloshathitachithesecond
    @Paul

    The reason Jews constantly lose in the long run is not that they are insufficiently smart but that they are also neurotic and have a self destructive streak. They were thumped down several times in history, the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 69/70 by the Romans was one, heavy losses in the Nazi era in Europe being another (and millions did die, though exact numbers I do not care to debate: they lost a lot, but by no means were most people who died as a result of WWII Jewish).

    The Palestinians are not a very impressive enemy, though. Of course, Palestinians are all real Semites, and many Jews are not really Semites at all, or only marginally.

    However, they have survived as a people and will continue to do so. Others who disparage them ought to look at their own people and ask if they also can likely make that claim, and, if not, perhaps first get their own house in order.

    Israel is, in essence-translated into English-based on a simple concept: We must secure the existence of Jewish people and the future of Jewish children. They seem, for all their flaws and eccentricities and the occasional outrage, to be succeeding at that.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @bigdicknick, @AnotherDad

    I think jews constantly lose because of their inability to see themselves objectively or just be self critical generally. You actually even see that from jewish posters on here. The 109 countries meme is a good example of that. If my people were kicked out of almost every country they ever lived in, i’d reflect on what caused people to keep getting so angry, but jews generally do not.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
    @bigdicknick

    Jews actually have been treated better most minorities throughout history. (aside from the Holocaust, which I'll admit is kind of like saying "besides that , how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?")

    It's kind of weird how the neo-Nazi types and the "woe is me" Jews seem to share a lot of dumb ideas. Jews have been wandering in thousands and thousands of countries/political jurisdictions for 2600+ years. Thrown out of a small percentage of countries and always allowed back in later (usually in larger numbers). Throughout most of history, it's been tough being a minority, most get wiped out completely. Even near perfect minorities (say Koreans in Japan) have suffered unbelievably. Look at the violence between Catholics and Protestants.

    There were many instances that Jews suffered horribly, but it's hardly any different than any other minority EXCEPT that Jews managed to hang around just about everywhere for just about ever.

    In some countries Jews faces almost no discrimination, for example China and India.

    Interesting question: Was it better to be Jewish or Christian in Europe between 1000-1939? Everyone would assume it was worse to be Jewish, but I'm not even sure about that. It would be fascinating if there were stats about life expectancy, wealth, etc.

    I spend a good amount of time thinking about all the dumb things Jews do, but in the long run everything comes down to numbers. All the money Jews give to the ADL and other types or organizations would better be spent giving Orthodox Jews free diapers and children's clothing. If you don't have the numbers, you're guaranteed an ass-kicking at some point in the future.

    Replies: @bigdicknick

  55. Building on the backs of blacks. My favorite is pro athletes complaining that they are “owned” by rich white men and then complaining when they are released by a team. In other words freed.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buffalo Joe

    You don't enjoy it when the Rock, an international wrestling and film superstar worth $320 million lectures you about YOUR privilege?

    , @Known Fact
    @Buffalo Joe

    There's already much more tiresome discussion on what kind of symbolic protest black ballplayers will stage when and if games reconvene than on the actual games themselves. As if the remaining fans actually care

    , @Polynikes
    @Buffalo Joe

    The NBA sidestepped that problem by abolishing owners and replacing them with “governors.” I don’t think the usual crowd has caught on yet.

  56. “Black people periodically go through boom eras when white people can’t seem to get enough of them, such as in the late 1960s and then in the late 1980s-early 1990s. But blacks then overplay their hand and step on the wrong toes, usually Jewish ones.”

    Awesome! A double false premise by our resident pattern recognition noticer.

    We shall see how it plays out in the next six months in particular, but it appears young people of all colors and stripes are spearheading well-organized protest movements that ultimately comes back to Trump’s lack of leadership. NOTICE how Mr. Sailer remains cagey about his administration. We get it, you do not want to paint yourself in a corner where past deep thoughts on the man would come back to haunt you.

  57. @Pegasus
    Oh I see, good race realism for me, bad anti-semitism for thee. This sums up well this whole idiotic shitpost, and the HBD movement.

    The first tweet could well be anti-finance capitalism and anti robber baronism. It is all about that actually. That is why Corbyn promoted the mural.

    It does not even matter to Sailer that four out of the six figures depicted in the already charged and condemned (by the British 4th branch of government i.e the propaganda ministry and certain lobbies) "antisemitic" mural - John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, Aleister Crowley, Andrew Carnegie - are not jewish. It also does not matter that the author, one Kalen Ockerman, is of jewish descent. Because two jewish bankers appear in the mural, it is antisemitic. Period.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mear_One

    And anyone who tweets is an antisemite, of course.

    The second tweet is about ethnic awareness. Yes some black influencers are aware different ethnics in the US "melting pot" are competing with each other. Or maybe the guy is simply a closeted black Israelite. But to Sailer, this pedestrian tweet proves beyond reasonable doubt black antisemitism. Whatever that means.

    Steve Sailer, the "courageous" right wing "intellectual" who notices and bitches about... some ethnic traits more than others. There are places he really won't go. It is all about punching down and rabble rousing you see.

    Sailer's Inverse Intersectionalism: jews have more pokemon points than blacks and hispanics, so they are untouchable. Bravo!

    The concepts of nothing burger, shameless shitposting and conservative virtue signaling (to jews) come to mind.

    HBD is pure rabble rousing. Controlled opposition. A joke.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Brás Cubas, @peterike, @adreadline, @Morton's toes

    While I agree with some — possibly most — of your considerations, I strongly doubt that Kalen Ockerman is “of Jewish descent”. Could you back that up with any sources?

  58. @Dave Pinsen
    @RichardTaylor

    Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture.

    One of the implicit messages of the Israeli show Fauda on Netflix seems to be that without the hard-nosed, Arabic-speaking Mizrahi Jews keeping a lid on the Palestinian intifada, the country would have folded up.

    https://twitter.com/FaudaOfficial/status/907883403026075648?s=20

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @Corvinus, @AnotherDad

    “Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture.”

    LOL. Science still has much to learn about the genetics of altruism. So you are making an assumption here.

  59. @Pegasus
    Oh I see, good race realism for me, bad anti-semitism for thee. This sums up well this whole idiotic shitpost, and the HBD movement.

    The first tweet could well be anti-finance capitalism and anti robber baronism. It is all about that actually. That is why Corbyn promoted the mural.

    It does not even matter to Sailer that four out of the six figures depicted in the already charged and condemned (by the British 4th branch of government i.e the propaganda ministry and certain lobbies) "antisemitic" mural - John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, Aleister Crowley, Andrew Carnegie - are not jewish. It also does not matter that the author, one Kalen Ockerman, is of jewish descent. Because two jewish bankers appear in the mural, it is antisemitic. Period.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mear_One

    And anyone who tweets is an antisemite, of course.

    The second tweet is about ethnic awareness. Yes some black influencers are aware different ethnics in the US "melting pot" are competing with each other. Or maybe the guy is simply a closeted black Israelite. But to Sailer, this pedestrian tweet proves beyond reasonable doubt black antisemitism. Whatever that means.

    Steve Sailer, the "courageous" right wing "intellectual" who notices and bitches about... some ethnic traits more than others. There are places he really won't go. It is all about punching down and rabble rousing you see.

    Sailer's Inverse Intersectionalism: jews have more pokemon points than blacks and hispanics, so they are untouchable. Bravo!

    The concepts of nothing burger, shameless shitposting and conservative virtue signaling (to jews) come to mind.

    HBD is pure rabble rousing. Controlled opposition. A joke.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Brás Cubas, @peterike, @adreadline, @Morton's toes

    It does not even matter to Sailer that four out of the six figures depicted… are not jewish

    So “only” 33% of the figures are Jewish. Seems like massive over-representation compared to population. As usual.

  60. Speaking of Jews, has Sailer reviewed “Uncut Gems” and maybe I missed it?

    Just saw it. Boy oh boy, it depicts Jews as being almost entirely criminal, degenerate and crazy. Did Adam Sandler get any grief for it? Good movie, though it has an annoyingly grating soundtrack.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @peterike

    And the incessant noise was tough to take - the screaming and yelling and arguing.

  61. @Paul
    "They [Jews] imagine the POC army will always be 'allied' with them but someday it will be unmanageable. Don’t bet on Jews always being able to shut it down."


    The thinking of the Jewish power structure seems to me to be that pro-Palestinian members of The Squad, third-world immigrants, etc., are no match for Jewish money, control of media, etc. Politicians such as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi know which side their bread is buttered on.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Control of media is the thing. If “black power” became a serious threat media would change just like that, everyone would know Christian Channon’s name, etc etc.

    But that’s not likely. Black power burned more cities more badly in the 60s, and nothing happened. Just watch the corporate sponsors disappear if BLM and Palestine become inextricably linked.

  62. @International Jew
    @PiltdownMan

    Two out of the six are Jews. (Maybe Steve added that information after you posted this comment...)

    I say, Ice Cube will keep his blue check. Two Jews out of six isn't going to be enough to get him in trouble.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Magylson, @OFWHAP

    “While being only 0.2% of the global population, they represent 33%…”

    -Ice Cube

  63. @Kronos
    @RichardTaylor

    I also believe they’re far more prone to political/economic schisms then most other ethic/religious groups.

    1) Rich Jews (Bloomberg) vs Poor Jews (Sanders)

    2) Western European Jewry vs. Eastern European Jews (Khazar)

    3) Zionism vs. Bolshevism vs. Liberalism

    These three overlap quite a bit but the divisions are still there.

    https://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-the-emigration-of-jews-from-the-soviet-union-is-not-an-objective-of-american-foreign-policy-and-if-henry-kissinger-244378.jpg

    I always figured this was a German Jew slight against the eastern backward rural cousins that work with their hands. The hate is real. You come to the US from Poland and just to get blackballed by the German Jewish country club sucks.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the_myth_of_the_golf_nazi_steve_sailer/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @bigdicknick, @anonymous

    my understanding is that the eastern euro jews were the more POS tending jews we are currently plagued with.

  64. @Mr. Anon
    Perhaps "Ice Cube" could rebrand himself as "Black Cube" - that might throw them off the trail for awhile.

    Replies: @Coemgen

    Perhaps “Ice Cube” could rebrand himself as “Black Cube” – that might throw them off the trail for awhile.

    My first thought: Black Ice would be an even cooler name (we northerners have a terrible fear of black ice per se).

    My second thought: Nah, that name is too good someone has got to be using it already and sure enough: https://music.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Ice (from San Antonio? Shouldn’t Black Ice be from somewhere like Detroit, NYC, or Chicago?)

    My third thought: “Is the above mentioned Black Ice still alive?” will be left for the reader to answer.

  65. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @al gore rhythms
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't know if you are just kidding, but the comment is saying that Israel's victory in 1967 also launched neo-conservatism.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

    One of the more interesting takes on the ’67 war’s social effects inside NYC is the (frankly crappy) animated film “Fritz the Cat.” The movie came out during a sequel war which must have added to the effect.

    Come to think of it, there was a pretty interesting angle on blacks, and even on gay blacks… David Frum was right, the 70s were more influential than the 60s.

  66. Black anti-Semitism launched neo-conservatism in the late 1960s (along with Israel’s victory in 1967)

    Utter rubbish. Irving Kristol and Daniel Bell founded The Public Interest in 1965 to put ideas about social policy into circulation. Commentary‘s turn to the right was promoted by the Podhoretz circle’s personal feuds, but the principal motivator was foreign policy and questions of patriotism, with some discussion of social policy. It was not until 1975, when Robert W Tucker was able to place an article in Commentary presenting a sketch of a plan for militarily seizing Persian Gulf oil fields, that Commentary began to lose its liberal contributors. Read Sidney Hook’s denunciation of George McGovern’s campaign penned in 1972 or Joshua Muravchick’s critique of the Democratic Party published a dozen years later. Black anti-semitism was not a priority with this crew.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    Utter rubbish. Irving Kristol and Daniel Bell founded The Public Interest in 1965 to put ideas about social policy into circulation. Commentary‘s turn to the right was promoted by the Podhoretz circle’s personal feuds, but the principal motivator was foreign policy and questions of patriotism, with some discussion of social policy. It was not until 1975, when Robert W Tucker was able to place an article in Commentary presenting a sketch of a plan for militarily seizing Persian Gulf oil fields, that Commentary began to lose its liberal contributors. Read Sidney Hook’s denunciation of George McGovern’s campaign penned in 1972 or Joshua Muravchick’s critique of the Democratic Party published a dozen years later. Black anti-semitism was not a priority with this crew.

    I think Steve is referring to Podhoretz Sr.'s notorious 1963 article "My Negro Problem & Ours", were he famously alluded to his 'insane rage' at Black antisemitism. While one can dispute its significance, it's not crazy to consider it one of the earliest manifestations of neo-conservatism. I seem to recall the teachers strike of 1968 and the concomitant rift between Blacks and Jews as being an epiphany for some neo-conservatives as well.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    , @J.Ross
    @Art Deco

    Connecting it causitively to the term "neoconservatism" might be imprecise but I definitely remember a great deal of people pointing out that this same crowd wanted to talk about the exploding urban crime situation and meeting unexpected restrictions on grounds of racial sensitivity.

  67. @Dave Pinsen
    @RichardTaylor

    Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture.

    One of the implicit messages of the Israeli show Fauda on Netflix seems to be that without the hard-nosed, Arabic-speaking Mizrahi Jews keeping a lid on the Palestinian intifada, the country would have folded up.

    https://twitter.com/FaudaOfficial/status/907883403026075648?s=20

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @Corvinus, @AnotherDad

    Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture.

    I know some of these sincere Christian pathological altruists–in my own family. Depressing to behold.

    I see very little evidence for pathological altruism–heck, just plain old altruism–in Ashkenazi Jews.

    “You deserve to have my stuff.”

    and

    “You deserve to take his stuff.”

    Not the same thing.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @AnotherDad

    Some obvious evidence of altruism: The Bloomberg School of Public Health at Johns Hopkins, Weill Cornell Medical Center, Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, etc.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    I know some of these sincere Christian pathological altruists–in my own family. Depressing to behold.
     
    For fun you might ask them if they care about the destruction of so many poor and working class White neighborhoods.

    You might also mention that Jesus apparently valued loyalty. He was loyal to his people and he expected personal loyalty in return.

    But sometimes it’s not worth it with family!
  68. Jim Cramer: The pandemic led to ‘one of the greatest wealth transfers in history’
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/04/cramer-the-pandemic-led-to-a-great-wealth-transfer.html

    The rich got much richer, and they want to live in Miami, LA, Bos/NY/Wash .

    It might actually be easier to deport inner city types to less desirable places now. The rich will symbolically wash the feet of the inner city poor with Section 8 housing money.

  69. @nebulafox
    @International Jew

    I got the impression that the Russians are particularly hardline because coming from the largest country on earth, they cannot fathom why such a tiny, potentially vulnerable state would give up land they already have for land they... also already have.

    Replies: @International Jew

    That but also because even their formerly huge country isn’t into giving away land. Latvia proposed some kind of “border adjustment”, around 1999. Putin told them to buzz off.

  70. @Buffalo Joe
    Building on the backs of blacks. My favorite is pro athletes complaining that they are "owned" by rich white men and then complaining when they are released by a team. In other words freed.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @Polynikes

    You don’t enjoy it when the Rock, an international wrestling and film superstar worth $320 million lectures you about YOUR privilege?

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  71. @Kronos

    We’ll see what happens next, but, much as everybody is currently forgetting, we have been down these paths before.
     
    Yes, your correct. Now this is an old MADtv skit I recall from my young childhood days but I feel it’s important. (Numerous black celebrities have gone “cray-cray” on such issues.

    https://youtu.be/iVFWG8dBXps

    I’m guessing from the subtitles you can only broadcast such material in far distant countries away from SJWs and frivolous lawsuits. I currently already have three former MADtv stars hiding in my attic trying to escape neo-Puritanist LA, California via the Underground Comedy Railroad (UCR.) Hopefully, they can escape to Canada and travel by plane to Japan. Where they can freely practice sketch comedy unhindered.





    https://youtu.be/iVFWG8dBXps

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    Kronos – Thanks for sharing this bit of comedy gold! Did you have this clip stashed away in your vault? Guess it makes sense that you would have to go to Japan to find it because the possession, production or use of such material these days will quickly get you canceled from polite society and public life.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @PaceLaw

    I’ve been saving it for 2 weeks. I’m seriously trying to recall all the best (non-pc) tv show material from before the “Great Awokening.”

    I’d argue for the creation of a secret vault that’ll store the best material for future generations. So it’ll be safe from the cultural revolution SJW red guards.

    https://youtu.be/B95Pem9XW7k

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

  72. @Anonymous
    @Kronos

    The poet Karl Shapiro called eastern European Jews Vaudeville Jews. The Guggenheims versus the Marx brothers, I guess. I not sure who's had the last laugh.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    The poet Karl Shapiro called eastern European Jews Vaudeville Jews. The Guggenheims versus the Marx brothers, I guess. I not sure who’s had the last laugh.

    In point of fact the Marx brothers were also German Jews, not ostjuden at all.

  73. The borders of the US will never be secure as long as it enables these poor Palestinians to not have any borders….call it bitch karma. End of the day, MAGA and Palestinians have the same real enemy.

  74. @Buffalo Joe
    Building on the backs of blacks. My favorite is pro athletes complaining that they are "owned" by rich white men and then complaining when they are released by a team. In other words freed.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @Polynikes

    There’s already much more tiresome discussion on what kind of symbolic protest black ballplayers will stage when and if games reconvene than on the actual games themselves. As if the remaining fans actually care

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  75. @Art Deco
    Black anti-Semitism launched neo-conservatism in the late 1960s (along with Israel’s victory in 1967)

    Utter rubbish. Irving Kristol and Daniel Bell founded The Public Interest in 1965 to put ideas about social policy into circulation. Commentary's turn to the right was promoted by the Podhoretz circle's personal feuds, but the principal motivator was foreign policy and questions of patriotism, with some discussion of social policy. It was not until 1975, when Robert W Tucker was able to place an article in Commentary presenting a sketch of a plan for militarily seizing Persian Gulf oil fields, that Commentary began to lose its liberal contributors. Read Sidney Hook's denunciation of George McGovern's campaign penned in 1972 or Joshua Muravchick's critique of the Democratic Party published a dozen years later. Black anti-semitism was not a priority with this crew.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @J.Ross

    Utter rubbish. Irving Kristol and Daniel Bell founded The Public Interest in 1965 to put ideas about social policy into circulation. Commentary‘s turn to the right was promoted by the Podhoretz circle’s personal feuds, but the principal motivator was foreign policy and questions of patriotism, with some discussion of social policy. It was not until 1975, when Robert W Tucker was able to place an article in Commentary presenting a sketch of a plan for militarily seizing Persian Gulf oil fields, that Commentary began to lose its liberal contributors. Read Sidney Hook’s denunciation of George McGovern’s campaign penned in 1972 or Joshua Muravchick’s critique of the Democratic Party published a dozen years later. Black anti-semitism was not a priority with this crew.

    I think Steve is referring to Podhoretz Sr.’s notorious 1963 article “My Negro Problem & Ours”, were he famously alluded to his ‘insane rage’ at Black antisemitism. While one can dispute its significance, it’s not crazy to consider it one of the earliest manifestations of neo-conservatism. I seem to recall the teachers strike of 1968 and the concomitant rift between Blacks and Jews as being an epiphany for some neo-conservatives as well.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    The editorial line of Commentary was moving to the left during the period running from 1960 to 1968. It was after 1968 that Podhoretz decided he'd miscalculated and returned to a more common-and-garden line. As late as 1971 he approved for publication an article by Nathan Glazer with the title, "VietNam: the Case for Immediate Withdrawal".

    Black anti-semitism got little attention in those circles until Jesse Jackson stupidly made Louis Farrakhan a national figure by putting him in the Jackson campaign entourage. That was in 1983.

    The whole 'neo-conservative' phenomenon encompassed a modest corps of academics and opinion mongers publishing in small-audience periodicals. The closest you came to electoral politics would be the 1976 Moynihan campaign (in which Wm. Kristol worked) and Ed Koch's tours as mayor.

    , @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    I seem to recall the teachers strike of 1968 and the concomitant rift between Blacks and Jews as being an epiphany for some neo-conservatives as well.

    I don't imagine Norman Podhoretz was pleased about that, but it wasn't anything he wrote much about. If there was anyone writing about Albert Vann et al in the succeeding years, it was Leon Wieseltier. Wieseltier had a decades long feud with the Podhoretz-Kristol circle and never placed articles in their publications.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch

  76. @Pegasus
    Oh I see, good race realism for me, bad anti-semitism for thee. This sums up well this whole idiotic shitpost, and the HBD movement.

    The first tweet could well be anti-finance capitalism and anti robber baronism. It is all about that actually. That is why Corbyn promoted the mural.

    It does not even matter to Sailer that four out of the six figures depicted in the already charged and condemned (by the British 4th branch of government i.e the propaganda ministry and certain lobbies) "antisemitic" mural - John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, Aleister Crowley, Andrew Carnegie - are not jewish. It also does not matter that the author, one Kalen Ockerman, is of jewish descent. Because two jewish bankers appear in the mural, it is antisemitic. Period.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mear_One

    And anyone who tweets is an antisemite, of course.

    The second tweet is about ethnic awareness. Yes some black influencers are aware different ethnics in the US "melting pot" are competing with each other. Or maybe the guy is simply a closeted black Israelite. But to Sailer, this pedestrian tweet proves beyond reasonable doubt black antisemitism. Whatever that means.

    Steve Sailer, the "courageous" right wing "intellectual" who notices and bitches about... some ethnic traits more than others. There are places he really won't go. It is all about punching down and rabble rousing you see.

    Sailer's Inverse Intersectionalism: jews have more pokemon points than blacks and hispanics, so they are untouchable. Bravo!

    The concepts of nothing burger, shameless shitposting and conservative virtue signaling (to jews) come to mind.

    HBD is pure rabble rousing. Controlled opposition. A joke.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Brás Cubas, @peterike, @adreadline, @Morton's toes

    The first tweet could well be anti-finance capitalism and anti robber baronism. It is all about that actually. That is why Corbyn promoted the mural.

    Why did Corbyn, then, upon “look[ing] more closely” vehemently declared the mural was anti-semitic and said he regretted promoting it? Could he be, in this instance at least, just another politician who is sorry, very sorry, he was caught doing did or supported something that is now considered taboo?

  77. @Bucky
    @International Jew

    The anti Jewish stuff floating around here is like white rappers. It's just whites cucking to black militancy.

    Replies: @Gross Terry

    oh, we have our grievances with the tribe.

    https://apnews.com/974f8e9179014185a6f1d455005539af

    • Agree: lavoisier
  78. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    We’ll see what happens next, but, much as everybody is currently forgetting, we have been down these paths before.
     
    Here’s some totally chill bruthas sporting luxury menorah drip… I’ve long advised commenter Jack D to make like R. Kelly and get on that aliyah, will he get out in time?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites#Extremist_fringe

    https://twitter.com/KimWrites4U/status/1268510639334453255

    Replies: @wren, @Coemgen, @Anonymous

    I much prefer this “Black Army”:

  79. I seem to recall the teachers strike of 1968 and the concomitant rift between Blacks and Jews as being an epiphany for some neo-conservatives as well.

    With any luck, the current public humiliation by blacks of a great number of non-black leftists will trigger similar epiphanies, but on an en masse basis.

  80. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    Utter rubbish. Irving Kristol and Daniel Bell founded The Public Interest in 1965 to put ideas about social policy into circulation. Commentary‘s turn to the right was promoted by the Podhoretz circle’s personal feuds, but the principal motivator was foreign policy and questions of patriotism, with some discussion of social policy. It was not until 1975, when Robert W Tucker was able to place an article in Commentary presenting a sketch of a plan for militarily seizing Persian Gulf oil fields, that Commentary began to lose its liberal contributors. Read Sidney Hook’s denunciation of George McGovern’s campaign penned in 1972 or Joshua Muravchick’s critique of the Democratic Party published a dozen years later. Black anti-semitism was not a priority with this crew.

    I think Steve is referring to Podhoretz Sr.'s notorious 1963 article "My Negro Problem & Ours", were he famously alluded to his 'insane rage' at Black antisemitism. While one can dispute its significance, it's not crazy to consider it one of the earliest manifestations of neo-conservatism. I seem to recall the teachers strike of 1968 and the concomitant rift between Blacks and Jews as being an epiphany for some neo-conservatives as well.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    The editorial line of Commentary was moving to the left during the period running from 1960 to 1968. It was after 1968 that Podhoretz decided he’d miscalculated and returned to a more common-and-garden line. As late as 1971 he approved for publication an article by Nathan Glazer with the title, “VietNam: the Case for Immediate Withdrawal”.

    Black anti-semitism got little attention in those circles until Jesse Jackson stupidly made Louis Farrakhan a national figure by putting him in the Jackson campaign entourage. That was in 1983.

    The whole ‘neo-conservative’ phenomenon encompassed a modest corps of academics and opinion mongers publishing in small-audience periodicals. The closest you came to electoral politics would be the 1976 Moynihan campaign (in which Wm. Kristol worked) and Ed Koch’s tours as mayor.

  81. @PiltdownMan
    Who are these guys supposed to be? Going by the style of their suits, they look like politicians from around the time of the Balfour Declaration, 1917. But I don't know enough of early Zionist era history to identify the faces, which look like they might be of actual people.

    Replies: @Mr Mox, @International Jew, @Adam Smith

    Who are these guys supposed to be?

    Nathaniel Mayer Rothschild, John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, Aleister Crowley, Andrew Carnegie and Paul Warburg.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Adam Smith

    So this is just propaganda from 100 or so years ago repurposed for the Current Year?
    Just copying off someone else's paper and calling it new?

    How lazy is that?

    Replies: @Adam Smith

  82. @carloshathitachithesecond
    @Paul

    The reason Jews constantly lose in the long run is not that they are insufficiently smart but that they are also neurotic and have a self destructive streak. They were thumped down several times in history, the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 69/70 by the Romans was one, heavy losses in the Nazi era in Europe being another (and millions did die, though exact numbers I do not care to debate: they lost a lot, but by no means were most people who died as a result of WWII Jewish).

    The Palestinians are not a very impressive enemy, though. Of course, Palestinians are all real Semites, and many Jews are not really Semites at all, or only marginally.

    However, they have survived as a people and will continue to do so. Others who disparage them ought to look at their own people and ask if they also can likely make that claim, and, if not, perhaps first get their own house in order.

    Israel is, in essence-translated into English-based on a simple concept: We must secure the existence of Jewish people and the future of Jewish children. They seem, for all their flaws and eccentricities and the occasional outrage, to be succeeding at that.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @bigdicknick, @AnotherDad

    However, they have survived as a people and will continue to do so. Others who disparage them ought to look at their own people and ask if they also can likely make that claim, and, if not, perhaps first get their own house in order.


    Israel is, in essence-translated into English-based on a simple concept: We must secure the existence of Jewish people and the future of Jewish children. They seem, for all their flaws and eccentricities and the occasional outrage, to be succeeding at that.

    Agreed.

    Jews are not the really confused people. I think they have let their paranoia and anti-gentile hostility wildly overbake their diversity project in the US–which has treated Jews better than pretty much any middle man minority has been treated anywhere. But the diversity project was in service of Jewish power/interests.

    Jews actively look after Jewish interests and survival–as they rightfully should and always have. Their nation in Israel has managed to fix the modern fertility issue–though it has to do something to make the Haredi actually pay their way. Jews aren’t disappearing and will be around for a long time.

    The same can not be said about white gentiles. We are the confused people who let others–Jews, blacks, muzzies, random foreigners–push us around with no push back.

    This is our tragedy. Marrying out, de-tribalizing under Christianity, building the world’s highest affective empathy allowed us to have high-trust-at-scale, to build cohesive nation states, to industrialize and create the most powerful and prosperous nations on earth. Far, far, superior, more productive, more pleasant–just plain better–than the Jews or any other peoples’ tribalism. (The Japanese created high trust at scale through some different route i don’t claim to understand.)

    But … this high affective empathy and high trust makes us suckers for getting rolled by outsiders. More tribal, lower trust people simply abuse our empathy and trust and take advantage.

    Ironically, whites are simply going to have get more hard-headed, and unfortunately more tribal, in order to preserve our unique genetic and cultural package of non-tribalism, high empathy and trust and the prosperous law-abiding nations that flow from it.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @AnotherDad

    If your position is that you're just too good then you're not trying hard enough. The endeavour which you're pursuing will thus likely fail.

    Perhaps it isn't "high affective empathy" and "high trust" but instead "high narcissism?" After all, nobody has forced white progressives to be that way and even get off on it.

    And it is a very odd thing to get off on.

    Clearly, Progressivism isn't serving white believers, nor does it make black people more resilient.

    There are individuals who benefit, and those are the ones you see, but only very few derive real value from this movement.

    Progressives, like the NYC Mayor, can hate Hassids, because that type of hate appeals to that type of person. It is why he hates you.

    He's also not going along with your evil, cold scheming Jews schtick, as being against that flatters his ego not at all.

    He is so much never a victim and so much never feels bad for himself that he can't even stand up straight!

  83. Is black-gay-Jewish the new rock-paper-scissors?

  84. @nebulafox
    @carloshathitachithesecond

    >Of course, Palestinians are all real Semites, and many Jews are not really Semites at all, or only marginally.

    Some were, some weren't. The distant ancestors of the Palestinians were the local Roman inhabitants of the region who got Arabized in the centuries following the Arab conquest of the region. Most eventually converted to Islam, but a minority of them to this day keeps their Eastern Christian religion. Same story in Egypt and Syria.

    There are a bunch of Palestinians in Nablus who have Samaritan origins. Interestingly enough, that would mean the descendants of the "purist" schismatic Jews are now all today pious Muslims.

    Replies: @Agathoklis, @Old Jew

    The Samaritan in Nea-Polis (Nablus today) are Arabs ethnically, and Samaritans (kind of Jewish) religiously.
    A way larger portion of the Samaritan population lives in Holon (city in Tel Aviv metropolitan area) and thus are Israeli. There under a thousand of them alive today.

    Wikipedia has a nice well documented article on them.

  85. @Adam Smith
    @PiltdownMan


    Who are these guys supposed to be?
     
    Nathaniel Mayer Rothschild, John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, Aleister Crowley, Andrew Carnegie and Paul Warburg.

    Replies: @anon

    So this is just propaganda from 100 or so years ago repurposed for the Current Year?
    Just copying off someone else’s paper and calling it new?

    How lazy is that?

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    @anon

    Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery.

  86. anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kronos
    @RichardTaylor

    I also believe they’re far more prone to political/economic schisms then most other ethic/religious groups.

    1) Rich Jews (Bloomberg) vs Poor Jews (Sanders)

    2) Western European Jewry vs. Eastern European Jews (Khazar)

    3) Zionism vs. Bolshevism vs. Liberalism

    These three overlap quite a bit but the divisions are still there.

    https://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-the-emigration-of-jews-from-the-soviet-union-is-not-an-objective-of-american-foreign-policy-and-if-henry-kissinger-244378.jpg

    I always figured this was a German Jew slight against the eastern backward rural cousins that work with their hands. The hate is real. You come to the US from Poland and just to get blackballed by the German Jewish country club sucks.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/the_myth_of_the_golf_nazi_steve_sailer/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @bigdicknick, @anonymous

    Poor Jews (Sanders)

    Sanders is a multi-millionaire who owns three houses including one in a gentrified part of DC.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @anonymous

    True, but he was born relatively poor in a lower-middle class family. They lived in a cramped public housing apartment and his Dad was a paint salesman.

    I assume Bloomberg came from a more “solid” family background. His Wikipedia page is vague on this early life so chances o a “rags to riches” story is remote.

    Still, Sander’s assets are pitiful compared to most Washington D.C. politicians.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  87. I don’t think blacks are smart enough to be truly anti semitic. They simply cannot understand the issues. They probably pick on jews because they’re physically weak and funny looking.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    blacks are actually too dumb to NOT get jews. They believe their lying eyes whereas smarter whites believe the jewish media and jewish university system.

    Similar to how the wokest whites are affluent and well educated vs. less educated (on average) working class whites who actually have interacted with randomly selected blacks.

  88. What black anti-Semitism? This is wrecking, by the Phantom Nazis. The FBI has already arrested three for wearing Hawaiian shirts, which is more than have been arrested for the burning or window-smashing of synagogues or the destruction of a police station.

  89. @syonredux
    http://www.fumettologica.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/tom-wolfe-hulk-1.jpg


    http://www.fumettologica.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/tom-wolfe-hulk-2.jpg

    Replies: @Bucky, @Servant of Gla'aki

    This makes me inordinately curious about the plot line of DR. STRANGE # 180….

  90. @Pegasus
    Oh I see, good race realism for me, bad anti-semitism for thee. This sums up well this whole idiotic shitpost, and the HBD movement.

    The first tweet could well be anti-finance capitalism and anti robber baronism. It is all about that actually. That is why Corbyn promoted the mural.

    It does not even matter to Sailer that four out of the six figures depicted in the already charged and condemned (by the British 4th branch of government i.e the propaganda ministry and certain lobbies) "antisemitic" mural - John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, Aleister Crowley, Andrew Carnegie - are not jewish. It also does not matter that the author, one Kalen Ockerman, is of jewish descent. Because two jewish bankers appear in the mural, it is antisemitic. Period.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mear_One

    And anyone who tweets is an antisemite, of course.

    The second tweet is about ethnic awareness. Yes some black influencers are aware different ethnics in the US "melting pot" are competing with each other. Or maybe the guy is simply a closeted black Israelite. But to Sailer, this pedestrian tweet proves beyond reasonable doubt black antisemitism. Whatever that means.

    Steve Sailer, the "courageous" right wing "intellectual" who notices and bitches about... some ethnic traits more than others. There are places he really won't go. It is all about punching down and rabble rousing you see.

    Sailer's Inverse Intersectionalism: jews have more pokemon points than blacks and hispanics, so they are untouchable. Bravo!

    The concepts of nothing burger, shameless shitposting and conservative virtue signaling (to jews) come to mind.

    HBD is pure rabble rousing. Controlled opposition. A joke.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Brás Cubas, @peterike, @adreadline, @Morton's toes

    I don’t see a Crowley in that mural. And the wikipedia article does not have a citation for there being a Crowley in there either. That looks like a CIA-authored april fool style joke.

  91. Like Parker Lewis, BLM can’t lose.

    Upper class Blacks want Jewish upper class jobs power and positions. That is that. Since all Blacks are holy and sacred.

    Money is nothing compared to the power of the state. Ask the Knights Templars about that. Jews are a big fat target for BLM which is the power of the corporate state

  92. No hat tip, Steve? Though I figured you might have already seen this. At any rate, Ice Cube, who now makes kids movies and has supplanted Snoop Dogg as America’s most beloved gangsta rapper, could have stayed out of trouble if he had stayed away from jews and stuck with us generic, powerless white people. He probably won’t even get into trouble for this. Since “trouble” means negative attention and Jews know what they’re doing so there won’t be any major backlash from the big Jews who matter.

    I don’t think there’s been a more racist song ever recorded by a major “artist” than “Cave Bitch” (or Horny Li’l Devil)

  93. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    Utter rubbish. Irving Kristol and Daniel Bell founded The Public Interest in 1965 to put ideas about social policy into circulation. Commentary‘s turn to the right was promoted by the Podhoretz circle’s personal feuds, but the principal motivator was foreign policy and questions of patriotism, with some discussion of social policy. It was not until 1975, when Robert W Tucker was able to place an article in Commentary presenting a sketch of a plan for militarily seizing Persian Gulf oil fields, that Commentary began to lose its liberal contributors. Read Sidney Hook’s denunciation of George McGovern’s campaign penned in 1972 or Joshua Muravchick’s critique of the Democratic Party published a dozen years later. Black anti-semitism was not a priority with this crew.

    I think Steve is referring to Podhoretz Sr.'s notorious 1963 article "My Negro Problem & Ours", were he famously alluded to his 'insane rage' at Black antisemitism. While one can dispute its significance, it's not crazy to consider it one of the earliest manifestations of neo-conservatism. I seem to recall the teachers strike of 1968 and the concomitant rift between Blacks and Jews as being an epiphany for some neo-conservatives as well.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    I seem to recall the teachers strike of 1968 and the concomitant rift between Blacks and Jews as being an epiphany for some neo-conservatives as well.

    I don’t imagine Norman Podhoretz was pleased about that, but it wasn’t anything he wrote much about. If there was anyone writing about Albert Vann et al in the succeeding years, it was Leon Wieseltier. Wieseltier had a decades long feud with the Podhoretz-Kristol circle and never placed articles in their publications.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    I'm pretty sure someone from those circles (Himmelfarb maybe?)wrote an article or two about it at the time. I'll look around and see if I can find it/them.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    OK, found article I was talking about, it's "Is American Jewry in Crisis?" (Milton Himmelfarb,Commentary march 1969) and it makes case against Black antisemitism in context of '68 teacher's strike. So at least somebody in those circles(Himmelfarb was Irving Kristol's brother in law) was drawing some conclusions from 60's Black antisemitism.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    In addition to the Himmelfarb article there is also an article from Earl Raab "The Black Revolution and the Jewish Question(Commentary Jan. '69) and from Nathan Glazer "Blacks, Jews & the Intellectuals" (Commentary Apr. '69) in the same vein. Himmelfarb's earlier article (oct '66) "Negroes, Jews and Muzhiks" goes over some of the same ground but with less emphasis on Black antisemitism and more emphasis on the supposed culpability of the "Establishment" in setting Blacks and Jews on a collision course.

    In sum, while you may differ with Steve on how much relative weight to place on the issue of Black antisemitism in the genesis of Neo-conservatism, it is overstating things to call it " utter rubbish". It seems the issue of Black antisemitism was ,at least somewhat, instrumental in the Commentary crowd's break with the New Left and ultimately Neo-conservatism.

  94. While dining with a Jewish friend last night, his cell rang and he received a request from a congregant at his synagogue (he is not a rabbi, but rather in charge of keeping up the physical plant) to place a BLM sign in front of the temple. He gave a resounding no. When I asked him why, he said because BLM has been supportive of BDS policies against Israel since at least 2016. They (BLM) have recently tried to downplay this, but most Zionist Jews already know about it.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    @Seneca44


    When I asked him why, he said because BLM has been supportive of BDS policies against Israel since at least 2016. They (BLM) have recently tried to downplay this, but most Zionist Jews already know about it.
     
    Finally, something decent that BLM stands up for!
  95. @AnotherDad
    @carloshathitachithesecond


    However, they have survived as a people and will continue to do so. Others who disparage them ought to look at their own people and ask if they also can likely make that claim, and, if not, perhaps first get their own house in order.


    Israel is, in essence-translated into English-based on a simple concept: We must secure the existence of Jewish people and the future of Jewish children. They seem, for all their flaws and eccentricities and the occasional outrage, to be succeeding at that.
     
    Agreed.

    Jews are not the really confused people. I think they have let their paranoia and anti-gentile hostility wildly overbake their diversity project in the US--which has treated Jews better than pretty much any middle man minority has been treated anywhere. But the diversity project was in service of Jewish power/interests.

    Jews actively look after Jewish interests and survival--as they rightfully should and always have. Their nation in Israel has managed to fix the modern fertility issue--though it has to do something to make the Haredi actually pay their way. Jews aren't disappearing and will be around for a long time.

    The same can not be said about white gentiles. We are the confused people who let others--Jews, blacks, muzzies, random foreigners--push us around with no push back.

    This is our tragedy. Marrying out, de-tribalizing under Christianity, building the world's highest affective empathy allowed us to have high-trust-at-scale, to build cohesive nation states, to industrialize and create the most powerful and prosperous nations on earth. Far, far, superior, more productive, more pleasant--just plain better--than the Jews or any other peoples' tribalism. (The Japanese created high trust at scale through some different route i don't claim to understand.)

    But ... this high affective empathy and high trust makes us suckers for getting rolled by outsiders. More tribal, lower trust people simply abuse our empathy and trust and take advantage.

    Ironically, whites are simply going to have get more hard-headed, and unfortunately more tribal, in order to preserve our unique genetic and cultural package of non-tribalism, high empathy and trust and the prosperous law-abiding nations that flow from it.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    If your position is that you’re just too good then you’re not trying hard enough. The endeavour which you’re pursuing will thus likely fail.

    Perhaps it isn’t “high affective empathy” and “high trust” but instead “high narcissism?” After all, nobody has forced white progressives to be that way and even get off on it.

    And it is a very odd thing to get off on.

    Clearly, Progressivism isn’t serving white believers, nor does it make black people more resilient.

    There are individuals who benefit, and those are the ones you see, but only very few derive real value from this movement.

    Progressives, like the NYC Mayor, can hate Hassids, because that type of hate appeals to that type of person. It is why he hates you.

    He’s also not going along with your evil, cold scheming Jews schtick, as being against that flatters his ego not at all.

    He is so much never a victim and so much never feels bad for himself that he can’t even stand up straight!

  96. @AnotherDad
    @Dave Pinsen


    Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture.
     
    I know some of these sincere Christian pathological altruists--in my own family. Depressing to behold.

    I see very little evidence for pathological altruism--heck, just plain old altruism--in Ashkenazi Jews.

    "You deserve to have my stuff."

    and

    "You deserve to take his stuff."

    Not the same thing.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous

    Some obvious evidence of altruism: The Bloomberg School of Public Health at Johns Hopkins, Weill Cornell Medical Center, Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, etc.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Dave Pinsen

    All the Jewish doctors have got to work somewhere.

  97. @Dave Pinsen
    @AnotherDad

    Some obvious evidence of altruism: The Bloomberg School of Public Health at Johns Hopkins, Weill Cornell Medical Center, Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, etc.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    All the Jewish doctors have got to work somewhere.

  98. @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    I seem to recall the teachers strike of 1968 and the concomitant rift between Blacks and Jews as being an epiphany for some neo-conservatives as well.

    I don't imagine Norman Podhoretz was pleased about that, but it wasn't anything he wrote much about. If there was anyone writing about Albert Vann et al in the succeeding years, it was Leon Wieseltier. Wieseltier had a decades long feud with the Podhoretz-Kristol circle and never placed articles in their publications.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch

    I’m pretty sure someone from those circles (Himmelfarb maybe?)wrote an article or two about it at the time. I’ll look around and see if I can find it/them.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    It wouldn't surprise me if they did. The people we're talking about either lived and worked in New York or had grown up there. Wieseltier was Brooklyn born and bred and it meant something to him. He joined the Jewish Defense League the following year. (He left it in 1970 or 1971).

    Our moderator believes in dog whistles. Irving Kristol devoted 36 years of his life to publishing articles on social policy because he was cheesed about Stokely Charmichael and Albert Vann.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  99. @Buffalo Joe
    Building on the backs of blacks. My favorite is pro athletes complaining that they are "owned" by rich white men and then complaining when they are released by a team. In other words freed.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @Polynikes

    The NBA sidestepped that problem by abolishing owners and replacing them with “governors.” I don’t think the usual crowd has caught on yet.

  100. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    We’ll see what happens next, but, much as everybody is currently forgetting, we have been down these paths before.
     
    Here’s some totally chill bruthas sporting luxury menorah drip… I’ve long advised commenter Jack D to make like R. Kelly and get on that aliyah, will he get out in time?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites#Extremist_fringe

    https://twitter.com/KimWrites4U/status/1268510639334453255

    Replies: @wren, @Coemgen, @Anonymous

    Welp… here we go… again…

  101. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Looks like Jewish anti-blackism with Gentrification, Stop and Frisk, Globo-Homo, and Israeli-training of US police led to this.

    But Jewish Anti-Whitism is useful to Jews because it directs black rage at whites than to Jews.

  102. @PaceLaw
    @Kronos

    Kronos - Thanks for sharing this bit of comedy gold! Did you have this clip stashed away in your vault? Guess it makes sense that you would have to go to Japan to find it because the possession, production or use of such material these days will quickly get you canceled from polite society and public life.

    Replies: @Kronos

    I’ve been saving it for 2 weeks. I’m seriously trying to recall all the best (non-pc) tv show material from before the “Great Awokening.”

    I’d argue for the creation of a secret vault that’ll store the best material for future generations. So it’ll be safe from the cultural revolution SJW red guards.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Kronos

    The original Outer Limits TV series (1963-1965). A cornucopia of great science fiction in one hour episodes. Also, anything remotely funny. The Temple of the Sacred Black Body does not tolerate humor, especially satire.

    Replies: @Kronos

  103. @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always been embarrassed by the liberal Jewish establishment that always supported policies that ignored the vast majority of Americans and the vast majority of Jews. For decades I said that Jews should follow the Mormon model. Turns out Jews and Mormons are beginning to converge politically. Sigh. I'll file this under be careful what you wish for.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/mitt-romney-takes-part-protest-supporting-black-lives-matter-near-n1227086

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Morris, I lost all respect for Romney when during his debate with Obama, the moderate,Candy Crowley, magically had in hand, papers to support a point Obama was making. Romney just stood there when he should have stormed off the stage.

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Buffalo Joe


    Morris, I lost all respect for Romney when during his debate with Obama, the moderate,Candy Crowley, magically had in hand, papers to support a point Obama was making. Romney just stood there when he should have stormed off the stage.
     
    Agree times infinity.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Buffalo Joe

    Agree, but another major losing point for Romney was when, in a debate, Obama challenged him on his "self-deportation" policy for illegals. Romney stood there dumbfounded like Dan Quayle. He should have said, "Damn right they'll self-deport, when we enforce the laws against hiring them! Let them leave the country the same way they came in."

    I think that would have won him the election, but as he's demonstrated since, he opposed border control. He had put Kris Koback on his team when running for the nomination, but cut him loose once he got it. When Obama was president, Romney said his DREAMERs act didn't go far enough.

    BTW, is Romney a fair indicator of Mormon political views? If so, God help us.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  104. “Black people periodically go through boom eras when white people can’t seem to get enough of them”

    This is funny in at least two different ways.

  105. @Kent Nationalist
    Almost as if white people's attitude to blacks is significantly determined by Jewish-controlled media.......

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    I’m rooting for the Jews. In the black fantasy world whites would be rendered to ash. In the Jewish world which hues closer to reality we whites will always find a place in their pornography industry.

  106. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    I'm pretty sure someone from those circles (Himmelfarb maybe?)wrote an article or two about it at the time. I'll look around and see if I can find it/them.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It wouldn’t surprise me if they did. The people we’re talking about either lived and worked in New York or had grown up there. Wieseltier was Brooklyn born and bred and it meant something to him. He joined the Jewish Defense League the following year. (He left it in 1970 or 1971).

    Our moderator believes in dog whistles. Irving Kristol devoted 36 years of his life to publishing articles on social policy because he was cheesed about Stokely Charmichael and Albert Vann.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Art Deco

    What do your last two sentences mean? Seriously.

  107. @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    I seem to recall the teachers strike of 1968 and the concomitant rift between Blacks and Jews as being an epiphany for some neo-conservatives as well.

    I don't imagine Norman Podhoretz was pleased about that, but it wasn't anything he wrote much about. If there was anyone writing about Albert Vann et al in the succeeding years, it was Leon Wieseltier. Wieseltier had a decades long feud with the Podhoretz-Kristol circle and never placed articles in their publications.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch

    OK, found article I was talking about, it’s “Is American Jewry in Crisis?” (Milton Himmelfarb,Commentary march 1969) and it makes case against Black antisemitism in context of ’68 teacher’s strike. So at least somebody in those circles(Himmelfarb was Irving Kristol’s brother in law) was drawing some conclusions from 60’s Black antisemitism.

  108. @Kronos
    @PaceLaw

    I’ve been saving it for 2 weeks. I’m seriously trying to recall all the best (non-pc) tv show material from before the “Great Awokening.”

    I’d argue for the creation of a secret vault that’ll store the best material for future generations. So it’ll be safe from the cultural revolution SJW red guards.

    https://youtu.be/B95Pem9XW7k

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    The original Outer Limits TV series (1963-1965). A cornucopia of great science fiction in one hour episodes. Also, anything remotely funny. The Temple of the Sacred Black Body does not tolerate humor, especially satire.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @SunBakedSuburb

    I believe “ The Temple of the Sacred Black Body” is only part of a pantheon of sad/unhappy gods.

  109. @Art Deco
    Black anti-Semitism launched neo-conservatism in the late 1960s (along with Israel’s victory in 1967)

    Utter rubbish. Irving Kristol and Daniel Bell founded The Public Interest in 1965 to put ideas about social policy into circulation. Commentary's turn to the right was promoted by the Podhoretz circle's personal feuds, but the principal motivator was foreign policy and questions of patriotism, with some discussion of social policy. It was not until 1975, when Robert W Tucker was able to place an article in Commentary presenting a sketch of a plan for militarily seizing Persian Gulf oil fields, that Commentary began to lose its liberal contributors. Read Sidney Hook's denunciation of George McGovern's campaign penned in 1972 or Joshua Muravchick's critique of the Democratic Party published a dozen years later. Black anti-semitism was not a priority with this crew.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @J.Ross

    Connecting it causitively to the term “neoconservatism” might be imprecise but I definitely remember a great deal of people pointing out that this same crowd wanted to talk about the exploding urban crime situation and meeting unexpected restrictions on grounds of racial sensitivity.

  110. @peterike
    Speaking of Jews, has Sailer reviewed "Uncut Gems" and maybe I missed it?

    Just saw it. Boy oh boy, it depicts Jews as being almost entirely criminal, degenerate and crazy. Did Adam Sandler get any grief for it? Good movie, though it has an annoyingly grating soundtrack.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    And the incessant noise was tough to take – the screaming and yelling and arguing.

  111. Ask these (usually Jewish) feminists….and then they came for the Anglo-Jewish feminists….

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/feminist-national-organization-women-racism-problem-george-floyd

    The purpose of the PURGE is to actually PURGE.

    Love it.

  112. @bigdicknick
    @carloshathitachithesecond

    I think jews constantly lose because of their inability to see themselves objectively or just be self critical generally. You actually even see that from jewish posters on here. The 109 countries meme is a good example of that. If my people were kicked out of almost every country they ever lived in, i'd reflect on what caused people to keep getting so angry, but jews generally do not.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV

    Jews actually have been treated better most minorities throughout history. (aside from the Holocaust, which I’ll admit is kind of like saying “besides that , how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?”)

    It’s kind of weird how the neo-Nazi types and the “woe is me” Jews seem to share a lot of dumb ideas. Jews have been wandering in thousands and thousands of countries/political jurisdictions for 2600+ years. Thrown out of a small percentage of countries and always allowed back in later (usually in larger numbers). Throughout most of history, it’s been tough being a minority, most get wiped out completely. Even near perfect minorities (say Koreans in Japan) have suffered unbelievably. Look at the violence between Catholics and Protestants.

    There were many instances that Jews suffered horribly, but it’s hardly any different than any other minority EXCEPT that Jews managed to hang around just about everywhere for just about ever.

    In some countries Jews faces almost no discrimination, for example China and India.

    Interesting question: Was it better to be Jewish or Christian in Europe between 1000-1939? Everyone would assume it was worse to be Jewish, but I’m not even sure about that. It would be fascinating if there were stats about life expectancy, wealth, etc.

    I spend a good amount of time thinking about all the dumb things Jews do, but in the long run everything comes down to numbers. All the money Jews give to the ADL and other types or organizations would better be spent giving Orthodox Jews free diapers and children’s clothing. If you don’t have the numbers, you’re guaranteed an ass-kicking at some point in the future.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    I believe it's pretty universally acknowledged that jews were wealthier and better educated than their non-jewish countrymen for the vast majority of the jewish diaspora experience.

  113. I was at the store the other day and out of nowhere a black man raised his fist at me. He said “What we’re you saying”. I said nothing and he said “that’s right” and thankfully put his fist down. I have had a few other negative encounters with blacks…they seem to notice me. They have no idea I am Jewish, they hate me because I am white. I am personally much more concerned about the hostility blacks have towards whites than Jews. Most blacks don’t think about Jews on a daily basis but everytime they leave the house they have a chip on their shoulder against white people.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    @Jay Fink


    Most blacks don’t think about Jews on a daily basis but everytime they leave the house they have a chip on their shoulder against white people.
     
    And you can thank the Jews for that hatred as well!
  114. @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    It wouldn't surprise me if they did. The people we're talking about either lived and worked in New York or had grown up there. Wieseltier was Brooklyn born and bred and it meant something to him. He joined the Jewish Defense League the following year. (He left it in 1970 or 1971).

    Our moderator believes in dog whistles. Irving Kristol devoted 36 years of his life to publishing articles on social policy because he was cheesed about Stokely Charmichael and Albert Vann.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    What do your last two sentences mean? Seriously.

  115. @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    I seem to recall the teachers strike of 1968 and the concomitant rift between Blacks and Jews as being an epiphany for some neo-conservatives as well.

    I don't imagine Norman Podhoretz was pleased about that, but it wasn't anything he wrote much about. If there was anyone writing about Albert Vann et al in the succeeding years, it was Leon Wieseltier. Wieseltier had a decades long feud with the Podhoretz-Kristol circle and never placed articles in their publications.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch

    In addition to the Himmelfarb article there is also an article from Earl Raab “The Black Revolution and the Jewish Question(Commentary Jan. ’69) and from Nathan Glazer “Blacks, Jews & the Intellectuals” (Commentary Apr. ’69) in the same vein. Himmelfarb’s earlier article (oct ’66) “Negroes, Jews and Muzhiks” goes over some of the same ground but with less emphasis on Black antisemitism and more emphasis on the supposed culpability of the “Establishment” in setting Blacks and Jews on a collision course.

    In sum, while you may differ with Steve on how much relative weight to place on the issue of Black antisemitism in the genesis of Neo-conservatism, it is overstating things to call it ” utter rubbish”. It seems the issue of Black antisemitism was ,at least somewhat, instrumental in the Commentary crowd’s break with the New Left and ultimately Neo-conservatism.

  116. @anonymous
    @Kronos


    Poor Jews (Sanders)
     
    Sanders is a multi-millionaire who owns three houses including one in a gentrified part of DC.

    Replies: @Kronos

    True, but he was born relatively poor in a lower-middle class family. They lived in a cramped public housing apartment and his Dad was a paint salesman.

    I assume Bloomberg came from a more “solid” family background. His Wikipedia page is vague on this early life so chances o a “rags to riches” story is remote.

    Still, Sander’s assets are pitiful compared to most Washington D.C. politicians.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Kronos

    True, but he was born relatively poor in a lower-middle class family. They lived in a cramped public housing apartment and his Dad was a paint salesman.

    His father was in wholesale sales. The neighborhood they grew up in was an extension of Flatbush. As we speak, it's densely settled, predominantly white, and supposedly remains Jewish. Both he and his brother had tertiary schooling, and his brother has a law degree.

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1525-E-26th-St_Brooklyn_NY_11229_M37666-89636


    This is where they lived. The building was completed in 1932, nine years before Sanders was born. As we speak, the average unit has about 1,000 sq. feet of floor space.

    Replies: @Kronos, @kaganovitch

  117. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    In other news, an actual African is puzzled and disgusted by the Democrats long-standing rule of ignorantly condescending to American black people as if they were children:

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Anonymous

    American blacks are deeply American. They are completely culturally alien to actual Africans in every sense of the word.

    This really shouldn't be shocking considering the length of time they've been in the US, and the circumstances of their arrival, but for some reason...

    , @Malla
    @Anonymous

    An intelligent and civilized woman. LOL White leftards are a comedy, hate everything White but lambasted by non Whites for cultural appropriation when they status signal or genuinely taake up a global culture.. These libtards are a joke.

  118. @Kronos
    @anonymous

    True, but he was born relatively poor in a lower-middle class family. They lived in a cramped public housing apartment and his Dad was a paint salesman.

    I assume Bloomberg came from a more “solid” family background. His Wikipedia page is vague on this early life so chances o a “rags to riches” story is remote.

    Still, Sander’s assets are pitiful compared to most Washington D.C. politicians.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    True, but he was born relatively poor in a lower-middle class family. They lived in a cramped public housing apartment and his Dad was a paint salesman.

    His father was in wholesale sales. The neighborhood they grew up in was an extension of Flatbush. As we speak, it’s densely settled, predominantly white, and supposedly remains Jewish. Both he and his brother had tertiary schooling, and his brother has a law degree.

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1525-E-26th-St_Brooklyn_NY_11229_M37666-89636

    This is where they lived. The building was completed in 1932, nine years before Sanders was born. As we speak, the average unit has about 1,000 sq. feet of floor space.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Art Deco

    Now that’s interesting...

    I’d like to see how much Bernie’s father made but that’s unlikely to be available.

    But Bloomberg grew up in the solid upper class correct? I can’t find anything on it.

    Replies: @black sea, @Art Deco

    , @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    His father was in wholesale sales. The neighborhood they grew up in was an extension of Flatbush. As we speak, it’s densely settled, predominantly white, and supposedly remains Jewish.

    It is indeed wall to wall Jewish.

  119. @Morris Applebaum IV
    @bigdicknick

    Jews actually have been treated better most minorities throughout history. (aside from the Holocaust, which I'll admit is kind of like saying "besides that , how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?")

    It's kind of weird how the neo-Nazi types and the "woe is me" Jews seem to share a lot of dumb ideas. Jews have been wandering in thousands and thousands of countries/political jurisdictions for 2600+ years. Thrown out of a small percentage of countries and always allowed back in later (usually in larger numbers). Throughout most of history, it's been tough being a minority, most get wiped out completely. Even near perfect minorities (say Koreans in Japan) have suffered unbelievably. Look at the violence between Catholics and Protestants.

    There were many instances that Jews suffered horribly, but it's hardly any different than any other minority EXCEPT that Jews managed to hang around just about everywhere for just about ever.

    In some countries Jews faces almost no discrimination, for example China and India.

    Interesting question: Was it better to be Jewish or Christian in Europe between 1000-1939? Everyone would assume it was worse to be Jewish, but I'm not even sure about that. It would be fascinating if there were stats about life expectancy, wealth, etc.

    I spend a good amount of time thinking about all the dumb things Jews do, but in the long run everything comes down to numbers. All the money Jews give to the ADL and other types or organizations would better be spent giving Orthodox Jews free diapers and children's clothing. If you don't have the numbers, you're guaranteed an ass-kicking at some point in the future.

    Replies: @bigdicknick

    I believe it’s pretty universally acknowledged that jews were wealthier and better educated than their non-jewish countrymen for the vast majority of the jewish diaspora experience.

  120. @Magic Dirt Resident
    I don't think blacks are smart enough to be truly anti semitic. They simply cannot understand the issues. They probably pick on jews because they're physically weak and funny looking.

    Replies: @bigdicknick

    blacks are actually too dumb to NOT get jews. They believe their lying eyes whereas smarter whites believe the jewish media and jewish university system.

    Similar to how the wokest whites are affluent and well educated vs. less educated (on average) working class whites who actually have interacted with randomly selected blacks.

  121. Anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Dave Pinsen


    Ashkenazi Jews may have picked up some pathological altruism with their European admixture.
     
    I know some of these sincere Christian pathological altruists--in my own family. Depressing to behold.

    I see very little evidence for pathological altruism--heck, just plain old altruism--in Ashkenazi Jews.

    "You deserve to have my stuff."

    and

    "You deserve to take his stuff."

    Not the same thing.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous

    I know some of these sincere Christian pathological altruists–in my own family. Depressing to behold.

    For fun you might ask them if they care about the destruction of so many poor and working class White neighborhoods.

    You might also mention that Jesus apparently valued loyalty. He was loyal to his people and he expected personal loyalty in return.

    But sometimes it’s not worth it with family!

  122. @Buffalo Joe
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    Morris, I lost all respect for Romney when during his debate with Obama, the moderate,Candy Crowley, magically had in hand, papers to support a point Obama was making. Romney just stood there when he should have stormed off the stage.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Harry Baldwin

    Morris, I lost all respect for Romney when during his debate with Obama, the moderate,Candy Crowley, magically had in hand, papers to support a point Obama was making. Romney just stood there when he should have stormed off the stage.

    Agree times infinity.

  123. @al gore rhythms
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't know if you are just kidding, but the comment is saying that Israel's victory in 1967 also launched neo-conservatism.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

    Neo conservatism was just a sneaky way to get jews into leadership positions in the Republican Party It worked . Within 5 years republican Nixon was controlled by Jew Kissinger. Jews have controlled both parties for decades.

    Jews pretended to go along with Roosevelt’s programs and soon ruled the Democrats. After WW 2 jews concentrated on school and city destruction by their black storm troopers. By 1967 they ruled the democrats and moved on to the Republicans . Their strategy and tactics were to pretend to be all upset and appalled at what their black friends did to the city. The American neo conservative jews turning against the Soviet Union was one of the astonishing turn around in history. Jewish led movements always have at least 4 purposes, 3 ulterior.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Alden

    >Within 5 years republican Nixon was controlled by Jew Kissinger. Jews have controlled both parties for decades.

    Hardly. For the majority of their relationship, Kissinger was the tactician, Nixon was the strategist. Nixon cooked up the broad policy directives, Kissinger was given the task of implementing them. Nixon's personality made day-to-day political implementation difficult, so this was a crucial role, don't get me wrong: but it's not the same thing as actually coming up with the big ideas yourself. This dynamic only changed during the last 9 months or so of Nixon's Presidency, when Nixon became engrossed in Watergate and Kissinger became SecState.

    (Kissinger, for his part, is happy to let others believe that he was an eminence grise for Nixon: but tellingly, he never makes that claim himself.)

    There are plenty of examples of FP majordomos being shadow eminences behind the throne for American Presidents with little knowledge or interest in foreign policy: Kissinger certainly played that role for Ford, who had no deep foreign policy experience or knowledge and was grounded enough to know it. But Nixon was an unusual American politician who had much more interest in foreign policy than domestic policy.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  124. @Seneca44
    While dining with a Jewish friend last night, his cell rang and he received a request from a congregant at his synagogue (he is not a rabbi, but rather in charge of keeping up the physical plant) to place a BLM sign in front of the temple. He gave a resounding no. When I asked him why, he said because BLM has been supportive of BDS policies against Israel since at least 2016. They (BLM) have recently tried to downplay this, but most Zionist Jews already know about it.

    Replies: @lavoisier

    When I asked him why, he said because BLM has been supportive of BDS policies against Israel since at least 2016. They (BLM) have recently tried to downplay this, but most Zionist Jews already know about it.

    Finally, something decent that BLM stands up for!

  125. @Art Deco
    @Kronos

    True, but he was born relatively poor in a lower-middle class family. They lived in a cramped public housing apartment and his Dad was a paint salesman.

    His father was in wholesale sales. The neighborhood they grew up in was an extension of Flatbush. As we speak, it's densely settled, predominantly white, and supposedly remains Jewish. Both he and his brother had tertiary schooling, and his brother has a law degree.

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1525-E-26th-St_Brooklyn_NY_11229_M37666-89636


    This is where they lived. The building was completed in 1932, nine years before Sanders was born. As we speak, the average unit has about 1,000 sq. feet of floor space.

    Replies: @Kronos, @kaganovitch

    Now that’s interesting…

    I’d like to see how much Bernie’s father made but that’s unlikely to be available.

    But Bloomberg grew up in the solid upper class correct? I can’t find anything on it.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Kronos

    Bloomberg's father was an accountant at a dairy. According to Business Insider, he grew up in a middle class home. He's an Eagle Scout.

    , @Art Deco
    @Kronos

    A census enumerator interviewed Eli Sanders or his wife on 10 April 1940 and was told the head of household earned $2,400 in salary and commissions the previous year. Whatever he was actually earning, that's how they preferred to present themselves. At the time, mean annual compensation per worker (which, then, was nearly all in cash) was just north of $1,000, so he was supposedly earning about 2.35x the annual mean. Per capita product in New York State was at that time 1.48x the national mean and Downstate is more affluent than Upstate, so you could guess that $2,400 a year was about 1.55x the mean of Metropolitan New York. Occupations which in our own time are compensated at a rate 55% above the mean include art teachers, elevator repairmen, nursing instructors, audiologists, &c. In terms of their cash compensation, people in such occupations are around the 85th percentile, though lower down if you consider fringes (which account for 20% of employee compensation today but accounted for only 2% prior to 1929). I'd say the Sanders family was doing pretty well, or wanted you to think so. Of course, a 3 1/2 room apartment for a family of four is cramped, but living in the New Jersey countryside would have cost them opportunities as well.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  126. @Agathoklis
    @nebulafox

    You are probably referring to the Greek Orthodox and Greek Melkite Arab-speakers that form substantial minorities in Lebanon and Syria and smaller groups in Jordan. Some of them are also found in Palestine. The ancestors of those people are very likely former Greek settlers to the region; more than likely, in the wake of Alexander's conquests. Those people still use a Greek Orthodox liturgy but it is now in Arabic. Some identify very strongly with Byzantium. Nicholas Nassim Taleb is one of them.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    That’s one of the groups I’m referring to, yes, but I’m also referring to the original, indigenous pre-Alexander inhabitants. In that part of the empire, Greek-speakers only dominated in the urban areas, where there was a stable proto-middle class and intellgentsia. In the rural areas, Syriac and related languages dominated. There are still Syriac speaking Christians in Syria today… though how many after the civil war, I don’t know. (Egypt was similar: in their case, the rural language was Coptic.)

    That’s part of the reason the Monophysite divide within the church was so bitter: it wasn’t just a theological issue, but a tribal one. I think Justinian’s idea was that his marriage to Theodora could be the ultimate symbolism of the two parties reconciling, but at that point in the game the divide was too entrenched.

    BTW: always appreciate your comments on anything Ρωμιοί related. Endlessly fascinating stuff that you never hear about growing up in the USA.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
    @nebulafox

    Very interesting. Most of the Syriac speakers (western Aramaic today) in Syria are located in the town of Maaloula and some villages nearby which is about 50-60km from Damascus. They were occupied twice by Al-Nusra (Al Qaeda) but the Syrian Arab Army, Hezbollah and the SSNP (one of the key representative bodies for Greek Orthodox Syrians) fought them off. Maaloula is both Greek Orthodox and Melkite Greek Catholic with important monasteries nearby. As you say, the people in the region did not adopt the Arabic language or an Arabic identity.

  127. @Anonymous
    In other news, an actual African is puzzled and disgusted by the Democrats long-standing rule of ignorantly condescending to American black people as if they were children:

    https://twitter.com/obianuju/status/1270053042340139008?s=20

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Malla

    American blacks are deeply American. They are completely culturally alien to actual Africans in every sense of the word.

    This really shouldn’t be shocking considering the length of time they’ve been in the US, and the circumstances of their arrival, but for some reason…

  128. @Art Deco
    @Kronos

    True, but he was born relatively poor in a lower-middle class family. They lived in a cramped public housing apartment and his Dad was a paint salesman.

    His father was in wholesale sales. The neighborhood they grew up in was an extension of Flatbush. As we speak, it's densely settled, predominantly white, and supposedly remains Jewish. Both he and his brother had tertiary schooling, and his brother has a law degree.

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1525-E-26th-St_Brooklyn_NY_11229_M37666-89636


    This is where they lived. The building was completed in 1932, nine years before Sanders was born. As we speak, the average unit has about 1,000 sq. feet of floor space.

    Replies: @Kronos, @kaganovitch

    His father was in wholesale sales. The neighborhood they grew up in was an extension of Flatbush. As we speak, it’s densely settled, predominantly white, and supposedly remains Jewish.

    It is indeed wall to wall Jewish.

  129. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Kronos

    The original Outer Limits TV series (1963-1965). A cornucopia of great science fiction in one hour episodes. Also, anything remotely funny. The Temple of the Sacred Black Body does not tolerate humor, especially satire.

    Replies: @Kronos

    I believe “ The Temple of the Sacred Black Body” is only part of a pantheon of sad/unhappy gods.

  130. @Kronos
    @Art Deco

    Now that’s interesting...

    I’d like to see how much Bernie’s father made but that’s unlikely to be available.

    But Bloomberg grew up in the solid upper class correct? I can’t find anything on it.

    Replies: @black sea, @Art Deco

    Bloomberg’s father was an accountant at a dairy. According to Business Insider, he grew up in a middle class home. He’s an Eagle Scout.

  131. @Buffalo Joe
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    Morris, I lost all respect for Romney when during his debate with Obama, the moderate,Candy Crowley, magically had in hand, papers to support a point Obama was making. Romney just stood there when he should have stormed off the stage.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Harry Baldwin

    Agree, but another major losing point for Romney was when, in a debate, Obama challenged him on his “self-deportation” policy for illegals. Romney stood there dumbfounded like Dan Quayle. He should have said, “Damn right they’ll self-deport, when we enforce the laws against hiring them! Let them leave the country the same way they came in.”

    I think that would have won him the election, but as he’s demonstrated since, he opposed border control. He had put Kris Koback on his team when running for the nomination, but cut him loose once he got it. When Obama was president, Romney said his DREAMERs act didn’t go far enough.

    BTW, is Romney a fair indicator of Mormon political views? If so, God help us.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Harry Baldwin

    Harry, thank you for the reply. Romney's recent actions show him to be just another career politician who will do what ever to stay in office.

  132. Yes it will. Burning down Diamond Street was already spoken about last night, on national TV!

  133. @anon
    @Adam Smith

    So this is just propaganda from 100 or so years ago repurposed for the Current Year?
    Just copying off someone else's paper and calling it new?

    How lazy is that?

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery.

  134. There’s an old story about the rabbi who, some time after the Revolution, asked Leon Trotsky (born Lev Bronstein) if maybe he could use his influence to get the Soviets to cool it on the anti-Semitism a bit. Trotsky answered that he was a revolutionary, not a Jew. The rabbi responded, “The Trotskys make the revolutions and the Bronsteins pay the price.”

    Of course, Trotsky paid the price eventually…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Nachum

    The Soviet Union was anti-anti-Semitic during Trotsky's lifetime. Stalin only became a determined anti-Semitic c. 1948 when Golda Meir got a huge welcome from Moscow's Jews, which triggered his paranoia.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @nebulafox

    , @kaganovitch
    @Nachum

    There’s an old story about the rabbi who, some time after the Revolution, asked Leon Trotsky (born Lev Bronstein) if maybe he could use his influence to get the Soviets to cool it on the anti-Semitism a bit

    That was Rabbi Yaakov Mazeh, Chief Rabbi of Moscow.

  135. @Kronos
    @Art Deco

    Now that’s interesting...

    I’d like to see how much Bernie’s father made but that’s unlikely to be available.

    But Bloomberg grew up in the solid upper class correct? I can’t find anything on it.

    Replies: @black sea, @Art Deco

    A census enumerator interviewed Eli Sanders or his wife on 10 April 1940 and was told the head of household earned $2,400 in salary and commissions the previous year. Whatever he was actually earning, that’s how they preferred to present themselves. At the time, mean annual compensation per worker (which, then, was nearly all in cash) was just north of $1,000, so he was supposedly earning about 2.35x the annual mean. Per capita product in New York State was at that time 1.48x the national mean and Downstate is more affluent than Upstate, so you could guess that $2,400 a year was about 1.55x the mean of Metropolitan New York. Occupations which in our own time are compensated at a rate 55% above the mean include art teachers, elevator repairmen, nursing instructors, audiologists, &c. In terms of their cash compensation, people in such occupations are around the 85th percentile, though lower down if you consider fringes (which account for 20% of employee compensation today but accounted for only 2% prior to 1929). I’d say the Sanders family was doing pretty well, or wanted you to think so. Of course, a 3 1/2 room apartment for a family of four is cramped, but living in the New Jersey countryside would have cost them opportunities as well.

    • Thanks: Kronos
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    I would think Manhattan would be the height of a career as an elevator mechanic.

    I went to aircraft mechanic school and out of my class three or four went to that trade. My understanding is that you hire on and do your apprenticeship in the Midwest or in the South, go Northeast as a journeyman and after some time go to Las Vegas or the Pacific Northwest to retire out. It is extremely difficult to get an apprenticeship in the Northeast, and all of the limited slots are legacy (nepotism) hires.

    It is almost 100 percent union even in the Deep South and Texas from what I understand.

    It's a good trade provided you don't fall down a shaft and get killed.

  136. @Harry Baldwin
    @Buffalo Joe

    Agree, but another major losing point for Romney was when, in a debate, Obama challenged him on his "self-deportation" policy for illegals. Romney stood there dumbfounded like Dan Quayle. He should have said, "Damn right they'll self-deport, when we enforce the laws against hiring them! Let them leave the country the same way they came in."

    I think that would have won him the election, but as he's demonstrated since, he opposed border control. He had put Kris Koback on his team when running for the nomination, but cut him loose once he got it. When Obama was president, Romney said his DREAMERs act didn't go far enough.

    BTW, is Romney a fair indicator of Mormon political views? If so, God help us.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Harry, thank you for the reply. Romney’s recent actions show him to be just another career politician who will do what ever to stay in office.

  137. @Nachum
    There's an old story about the rabbi who, some time after the Revolution, asked Leon Trotsky (born Lev Bronstein) if maybe he could use his influence to get the Soviets to cool it on the anti-Semitism a bit. Trotsky answered that he was a revolutionary, not a Jew. The rabbi responded, "The Trotskys make the revolutions and the Bronsteins pay the price."

    Of course, Trotsky paid the price eventually...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @kaganovitch

    The Soviet Union was anti-anti-Semitic during Trotsky’s lifetime. Stalin only became a determined anti-Semitic c. 1948 when Golda Meir got a huge welcome from Moscow’s Jews, which triggered his paranoia.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Steve Sailer

    The Soviet Union was anti-anti-Semitic during Trotsky’s lifetime. Stalin only became a determined anti-Semitic c. 1948 when Golda Meir got a huge welcome from Moscow’s Jews, which triggered his paranoia.

    While this may have been true of racial anti-semitism, what the rabbi in Nachum's story was concerned about was religious oppression. That was alive and well in Trotsky's time. The Yevsektsia (Jewish section of the Party) was tasked with the "destruction of traditional Jewish life, the Zionist movement, and Hebrew culture". In this they were largely successful in their brief though memorable reign. The overwhelming majority of the Yevsekes ended up with a bullet in the back of the head in the Lubyanka's basement in the Purges.

    , @nebulafox
    @Steve Sailer

    I think Stalin shared the standard issue petty racism about Jews that were ubiquitous amongst Europeans from his social strata and generation, but nothing more. (There's a tendency to forget how trivial/casual that was in a world before the Holocaust-nothing anybody made much of a fuss about.) Certainly nothing that'd justify anti-Semitic policies or prevent him from having Jewish friends or lovers, at least not until the last few years of his life when his paranoia in general was consuming him.

    I don't think it helped that Jews were disproportionately represented in the party intelligentsia that weren't just his political rivals, but sneered at him as an uncultured, rustic lout. Stalin was a deeply intelligent man, but his parents were liberated serfs, not small-time noblemen or bourgeois intellectuals or even wealthy farmers. He received his education through the Orthodox Church, a common pathway for smart, poor children on the path to upward mobility. This was a deeply different background from most first generation Bolshevik leaders. But it was a background that was more relatable to many new first-generation Soviet men who made up the party rank and file by 1923. That was a key ingredient in his political success over Trotsky.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

  138. @Nachum
    There's an old story about the rabbi who, some time after the Revolution, asked Leon Trotsky (born Lev Bronstein) if maybe he could use his influence to get the Soviets to cool it on the anti-Semitism a bit. Trotsky answered that he was a revolutionary, not a Jew. The rabbi responded, "The Trotskys make the revolutions and the Bronsteins pay the price."

    Of course, Trotsky paid the price eventually...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @kaganovitch

    There’s an old story about the rabbi who, some time after the Revolution, asked Leon Trotsky (born Lev Bronstein) if maybe he could use his influence to get the Soviets to cool it on the anti-Semitism a bit

    That was Rabbi Yaakov Mazeh, Chief Rabbi of Moscow.

  139. @Steve Sailer
    @Nachum

    The Soviet Union was anti-anti-Semitic during Trotsky's lifetime. Stalin only became a determined anti-Semitic c. 1948 when Golda Meir got a huge welcome from Moscow's Jews, which triggered his paranoia.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @nebulafox

    The Soviet Union was anti-anti-Semitic during Trotsky’s lifetime. Stalin only became a determined anti-Semitic c. 1948 when Golda Meir got a huge welcome from Moscow’s Jews, which triggered his paranoia.

    While this may have been true of racial anti-semitism, what the rabbi in Nachum’s story was concerned about was religious oppression. That was alive and well in Trotsky’s time. The Yevsektsia (Jewish section of the Party) was tasked with the “destruction of traditional Jewish life, the Zionist movement, and Hebrew culture”. In this they were largely successful in their brief though memorable reign. The overwhelming majority of the Yevsekes ended up with a bullet in the back of the head in the Lubyanka’s basement in the Purges.

  140. There is a 2 sigma difference between the average IQ of a Black and a Jew. Guess who will win any battle between the two.

  141. @Jay Fink
    I was at the store the other day and out of nowhere a black man raised his fist at me. He said "What we're you saying". I said nothing and he said "that's right" and thankfully put his fist down. I have had a few other negative encounters with blacks...they seem to notice me. They have no idea I am Jewish, they hate me because I am white. I am personally much more concerned about the hostility blacks have towards whites than Jews. Most blacks don't think about Jews on a daily basis but everytime they leave the house they have a chip on their shoulder against white people.

    Replies: @lavoisier

    Most blacks don’t think about Jews on a daily basis but everytime they leave the house they have a chip on their shoulder against white people.

    And you can thank the Jews for that hatred as well!

  142. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @Kronos

    A census enumerator interviewed Eli Sanders or his wife on 10 April 1940 and was told the head of household earned $2,400 in salary and commissions the previous year. Whatever he was actually earning, that's how they preferred to present themselves. At the time, mean annual compensation per worker (which, then, was nearly all in cash) was just north of $1,000, so he was supposedly earning about 2.35x the annual mean. Per capita product in New York State was at that time 1.48x the national mean and Downstate is more affluent than Upstate, so you could guess that $2,400 a year was about 1.55x the mean of Metropolitan New York. Occupations which in our own time are compensated at a rate 55% above the mean include art teachers, elevator repairmen, nursing instructors, audiologists, &c. In terms of their cash compensation, people in such occupations are around the 85th percentile, though lower down if you consider fringes (which account for 20% of employee compensation today but accounted for only 2% prior to 1929). I'd say the Sanders family was doing pretty well, or wanted you to think so. Of course, a 3 1/2 room apartment for a family of four is cramped, but living in the New Jersey countryside would have cost them opportunities as well.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I would think Manhattan would be the height of a career as an elevator mechanic.

    I went to aircraft mechanic school and out of my class three or four went to that trade. My understanding is that you hire on and do your apprenticeship in the Midwest or in the South, go Northeast as a journeyman and after some time go to Las Vegas or the Pacific Northwest to retire out. It is extremely difficult to get an apprenticeship in the Northeast, and all of the limited slots are legacy (nepotism) hires.

    It is almost 100 percent union even in the Deep South and Texas from what I understand.

    It’s a good trade provided you don’t fall down a shaft and get killed.

  143. @Steve Sailer
    @Nachum

    The Soviet Union was anti-anti-Semitic during Trotsky's lifetime. Stalin only became a determined anti-Semitic c. 1948 when Golda Meir got a huge welcome from Moscow's Jews, which triggered his paranoia.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @nebulafox

    I think Stalin shared the standard issue petty racism about Jews that were ubiquitous amongst Europeans from his social strata and generation, but nothing more. (There’s a tendency to forget how trivial/casual that was in a world before the Holocaust-nothing anybody made much of a fuss about.) Certainly nothing that’d justify anti-Semitic policies or prevent him from having Jewish friends or lovers, at least not until the last few years of his life when his paranoia in general was consuming him.

    I don’t think it helped that Jews were disproportionately represented in the party intelligentsia that weren’t just his political rivals, but sneered at him as an uncultured, rustic lout. Stalin was a deeply intelligent man, but his parents were liberated serfs, not small-time noblemen or bourgeois intellectuals or even wealthy farmers. He received his education through the Orthodox Church, a common pathway for smart, poor children on the path to upward mobility. This was a deeply different background from most first generation Bolshevik leaders. But it was a background that was more relatable to many new first-generation Soviet men who made up the party rank and file by 1923. That was a key ingredient in his political success over Trotsky.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @nebulafox

    Excellent post, as always. Thanks.

  144. @Alden
    @al gore rhythms

    Neo conservatism was just a sneaky way to get jews into leadership positions in the Republican Party It worked . Within 5 years republican Nixon was controlled by Jew Kissinger. Jews have controlled both parties for decades.

    Jews pretended to go along with Roosevelt’s programs and soon ruled the Democrats. After WW 2 jews concentrated on school and city destruction by their black storm troopers. By 1967 they ruled the democrats and moved on to the Republicans . Their strategy and tactics were to pretend to be all upset and appalled at what their black friends did to the city. The American neo conservative jews turning against the Soviet Union was one of the astonishing turn around in history. Jewish led movements always have at least 4 purposes, 3 ulterior.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >Within 5 years republican Nixon was controlled by Jew Kissinger. Jews have controlled both parties for decades.

    Hardly. For the majority of their relationship, Kissinger was the tactician, Nixon was the strategist. Nixon cooked up the broad policy directives, Kissinger was given the task of implementing them. Nixon’s personality made day-to-day political implementation difficult, so this was a crucial role, don’t get me wrong: but it’s not the same thing as actually coming up with the big ideas yourself. This dynamic only changed during the last 9 months or so of Nixon’s Presidency, when Nixon became engrossed in Watergate and Kissinger became SecState.

    (Kissinger, for his part, is happy to let others believe that he was an eminence grise for Nixon: but tellingly, he never makes that claim himself.)

    There are plenty of examples of FP majordomos being shadow eminences behind the throne for American Presidents with little knowledge or interest in foreign policy: Kissinger certainly played that role for Ford, who had no deep foreign policy experience or knowledge and was grounded enough to know it. But Nixon was an unusual American politician who had much more interest in foreign policy than domestic policy.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @nebulafox

    Kissinger certainly played that role for Ford, who had no deep foreign policy experience or knowledge and was grounded enough to know it.

    Alexander Haig once maintained that Henry Kissinger resigned 30x. He played those games with Nixon. He didn't with Ford. Ford reshuffled the foreign affairs portfolios in October 1975. Kissinger had held the positions of Secretary of State and National Security adviser in tandem. Ford assigned the latter position to Brent Scowcroft and installed Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. Kissinger and Rumsfeld were not on the best of terms. Note also Ron Nessen's account of Kissinger's comparison of Ford and Nixon as negotiators. Ford bargained, while Nixon made use of prepared scenarios.

  145. @Anonymous
    In other news, an actual African is puzzled and disgusted by the Democrats long-standing rule of ignorantly condescending to American black people as if they were children:

    https://twitter.com/obianuju/status/1270053042340139008?s=20

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Malla

    An intelligent and civilized woman. LOL White leftards are a comedy, hate everything White but lambasted by non Whites for cultural appropriation when they status signal or genuinely taake up a global culture.. These libtards are a joke.

  146. @nebulafox
    @Steve Sailer

    I think Stalin shared the standard issue petty racism about Jews that were ubiquitous amongst Europeans from his social strata and generation, but nothing more. (There's a tendency to forget how trivial/casual that was in a world before the Holocaust-nothing anybody made much of a fuss about.) Certainly nothing that'd justify anti-Semitic policies or prevent him from having Jewish friends or lovers, at least not until the last few years of his life when his paranoia in general was consuming him.

    I don't think it helped that Jews were disproportionately represented in the party intelligentsia that weren't just his political rivals, but sneered at him as an uncultured, rustic lout. Stalin was a deeply intelligent man, but his parents were liberated serfs, not small-time noblemen or bourgeois intellectuals or even wealthy farmers. He received his education through the Orthodox Church, a common pathway for smart, poor children on the path to upward mobility. This was a deeply different background from most first generation Bolshevik leaders. But it was a background that was more relatable to many new first-generation Soviet men who made up the party rank and file by 1923. That was a key ingredient in his political success over Trotsky.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    Excellent post, as always. Thanks.

  147. @nebulafox
    @Agathoklis

    That's one of the groups I'm referring to, yes, but I'm also referring to the original, indigenous pre-Alexander inhabitants. In that part of the empire, Greek-speakers only dominated in the urban areas, where there was a stable proto-middle class and intellgentsia. In the rural areas, Syriac and related languages dominated. There are still Syriac speaking Christians in Syria today... though how many after the civil war, I don't know. (Egypt was similar: in their case, the rural language was Coptic.)

    That's part of the reason the Monophysite divide within the church was so bitter: it wasn't just a theological issue, but a tribal one. I think Justinian's idea was that his marriage to Theodora could be the ultimate symbolism of the two parties reconciling, but at that point in the game the divide was too entrenched.

    BTW: always appreciate your comments on anything Ρωμιοί related. Endlessly fascinating stuff that you never hear about growing up in the USA.

    Replies: @Agathoklis

    Very interesting. Most of the Syriac speakers (western Aramaic today) in Syria are located in the town of Maaloula and some villages nearby which is about 50-60km from Damascus. They were occupied twice by Al-Nusra (Al Qaeda) but the Syrian Arab Army, Hezbollah and the SSNP (one of the key representative bodies for Greek Orthodox Syrians) fought them off. Maaloula is both Greek Orthodox and Melkite Greek Catholic with important monasteries nearby. As you say, the people in the region did not adopt the Arabic language or an Arabic identity.

  148. @nebulafox
    @Alden

    >Within 5 years republican Nixon was controlled by Jew Kissinger. Jews have controlled both parties for decades.

    Hardly. For the majority of their relationship, Kissinger was the tactician, Nixon was the strategist. Nixon cooked up the broad policy directives, Kissinger was given the task of implementing them. Nixon's personality made day-to-day political implementation difficult, so this was a crucial role, don't get me wrong: but it's not the same thing as actually coming up with the big ideas yourself. This dynamic only changed during the last 9 months or so of Nixon's Presidency, when Nixon became engrossed in Watergate and Kissinger became SecState.

    (Kissinger, for his part, is happy to let others believe that he was an eminence grise for Nixon: but tellingly, he never makes that claim himself.)

    There are plenty of examples of FP majordomos being shadow eminences behind the throne for American Presidents with little knowledge or interest in foreign policy: Kissinger certainly played that role for Ford, who had no deep foreign policy experience or knowledge and was grounded enough to know it. But Nixon was an unusual American politician who had much more interest in foreign policy than domestic policy.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Kissinger certainly played that role for Ford, who had no deep foreign policy experience or knowledge and was grounded enough to know it.

    Alexander Haig once maintained that Henry Kissinger resigned 30x. He played those games with Nixon. He didn’t with Ford. Ford reshuffled the foreign affairs portfolios in October 1975. Kissinger had held the positions of Secretary of State and National Security adviser in tandem. Ford assigned the latter position to Brent Scowcroft and installed Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. Kissinger and Rumsfeld were not on the best of terms. Note also Ron Nessen’s account of Kissinger’s comparison of Ford and Nixon as negotiators. Ford bargained, while Nixon made use of prepared scenarios.

  149. @Reg Cæsar

    Black anti-Semitism launched neo-conservatism in the late 1960s (along with Israel’s victory in 1967)
     
    How did black anti-Semitism launch Israel's victory? By inspiring Arabs to pick a fight they couldn't win?

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @gepay

    Reg Cesar How did black anti-Semitism launch Israel’s victory? By inspiring Arabs to pick a fight they couldn’t win?

    the arabs didn’t start the ’67 war. Israel launched it pre- emptively So they said. But the arabs had not been planning a war so they were surprised by naked aggression. the third war that Israel launched.
    Before the internet when I thought the NYT or the Wash Po did good reporting. I too thought that Israel had launched the ’67 war believing they were about to be attacked by the Arabs. If you just get what you think are facts from the mainstream media, you too will believe lies.

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