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From News4Jax in 2013:

Police: Man brought gun to high school basketball game

Officer in Brunswick stops 19-year-old man with loaded gun


Glynn County Detention Center booking photo of Ahmaud Avery

BRUNSWICK, Ga. – A quick acting police officer in Brunswick stopped a teenager with a loaded gun from entering a high school basketball game Tuesday night.

Police arrested 19-year-old Ahmaud Marquez Avery (pictured below), who is not a student at Brunswick.

“The man ran through the parking lot.

He didn’t run. He was a jogger!

I tried to get him to stop as well. He would not stop for us,” said Glynn County Schools Chief of Police, Rod Ellis. “We ended up chasing him to the back of the school were other officers helped us apprehend him.”

Ellis said the .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun slipped out of the teen’s pants.

And from The Brunswick News in 2013:

At about 7:20 p.m. Tuesday, Glynn County Schools Resource Officer Jody Vicent noticed a man with a handgun tucked in the waistband of his pants attempting to enter the basketball game between Brunswick High School and Glynn Academy at the Brunswick High School gym.

The man, identified by Schools Police Chief Rod Ellis as 19-year-old Ahmaud Marquez Avery, ran when Vicent tried to stop him, said Ellis, who was on alert in his police vehicle in a parking lot because of a nearby chase involving Brunswick police.

Ellis said he drove alongside Avery with his gun pointed at him as Avery ran along a sidewalk in front of the school. After being ordered to stop several times, Ellis said Avery ran between buildings to the back of the school, where two officers cornered him and arrested him.

“Once he was handcuffed, the offender confirmed by exculpatory statement that he was indeed armed, but he had dropped the weapon in his attempt to escape,” Ellis said.

An intense search, joined by Glynn County police, Brunswick police and College of Coastal Georgia police, found a .380 caliber semi-automatic pistol under a folding sandwich board-style sign in front of the gym, Ellis said.

Avery is charged with two felonies, possession of a weapon on school property and obstruction of an officer with violence, and a high and aggravated misdemeanor of obstruction of a public school. Ellis said other charges may be pending.

This could be simply be a typo on a police form, a simple lie, or maybe he changed his name.

I’m speculating that this 2020 incident was not between strangers, as the MSM has been implying for weeks now, but between people who had some past history with each other.

It’s remarkable how often the Prestige Press manages to find somebody to sanctify who is a real dodgy character. Alternatively, how often do they find somebody who is even an okay guy?

Off the top of my head, Philando Castile of Minnesota seems like a workingman who had held the same job for 13 years when he was killed by that diversity hire Hispanic cop. He’d had a lot of minor brushes with the law over driving without insurance and driving without a license, but his record was not so bad that he couldn’t get a license for a legal gun.

But it is remarkable how out of touch the national media is that they so frequently put all their chips on bad actors.

 
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  1. Lurker says:

    Ellis said the .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun slipped out of the teen’s pants.

    Are they implying he’s actually James Bond?

  2. Bleuteaux says:

    I’m gonna declare this virus nonsense over. Steve’s Noticing is back full steam and I’m having a legal draft beer in 12.5 hours.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Spangel
  3. “Off the top of my head, Philando Castile of Minnesota seems like a workingman who had held the same job for 13 years when he was killed by that diversity hire Hispanic cop.”

    I thought the same thing–the Castile case is the one with the most innocent victim.

    The case with Eric Garner was also sad all around, given how minor the infraction was.

  4. fish says:

    When this whole sordid affair began wasn’t the press referring to this guy as “an attorney”?

  5. Put “all their chips” in and hope you win. Sounds like a plan and the MSM wins more than it loses, almost like the game is rigged or the fix is in.

  6. But it is remarkable how out of touch the national media is that they so frequently put all their chips on bad actors.

    Maybe this is a feature and not a bug? They know they can whip up the outrage an order of magnitude more after a case like this ends in an acquittal.

  7. JimDandy says:

    Really? I thought Philando Castile was driving-while-baked-out-of-his-f’ing-mind. Not that that makes him evil, but… kinda dodgy, in my opinion. Maybe I remembered that wrong?

  8. ChrisM says:

    Narrative Collapse.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  9. Marty says:

    I like the meaning of ‘exculpatory’ in cop-talk.

  10. Anonymous[395] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not that, Steve.

    Purely and simply the NYT/Economist media establishment *hate hate hate* white people.
    The upshot is that *anything* that can be parlayed into weapon to inflict injury on whites will be seized and utilised to the maximum effect possible, damn the consequences.
    The ‘consequences’ are merely something to be shrugged off, and again be blamed on whites. Somehow. Inflicting pain on whites is ALL that matters.

    I wish more people would wise up an realise we are dealing with evil monsters here, not mere fanatical rogues.

    • Replies: @Travis
    , @Meretricious
  11. From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

    Greg McMichael, who provided gun cover for his son as he fought and eventually shot a young black jogger, may have known the victim long before their encounter in a subdivision just south of Brunswick, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has learned.

    In his letter of recusal to Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr, Waycross Judicial Circuit District Attorney George Barnhill wrote that his son, a prosecutor in the Brunswick DA’s office, and McMichael, then an investigator in that same office, “both helped with the previous prosecution of (Ahmaud) Arbery.”

    McMichael, a former Glynn County cop, told Glynn police he recognized Arbery, 25, from surveillance video that captured a recent burglary in his mostly white neighborhood. He said he planned to make a citizen’s arrest.

    When he was in high school, Arbery was sentenced to five years probation as a first offender on charges of carrying a weapon on campus and several counts of obstructing a law enforcement officer. He was convicted of probation violation in 2018 after he was charged with shoplifting, court documents show.

    McMichael, who retired from the DA’s office in April 2019, made no mention of his work on that investigation to police, though it’s unknown whether he remembered it at the time.

    Barnhill wrote that he learned about his son and McMichael’s ties to Arbery “three or four weeks” earlier.

    He didn’t say why he waited so long to recuse himself but claimed “a local ‘rabble rouser’ has taken up this cause and begun publishing wild and factually incorrect and legally wrong accusations on Facebook and other social media formats calling for marches and physical affronts be made against the McMichaels at their homes, and my son’s home in Brunswick etc.”

    Arbery’s mother, Wanda Cooper Jones, had requested Barnhill’s recusal but told the AJC Thursday that she didn’t know his son — or, for that matter, McMichael — worked on Ahmaud’s case.

    “I just looked him up on Facebook and saw this son worked for the Brunswick DA,” she said.

    It was a crucial decision. Without it, Cooper Jones’ attorney, Lee Merritt said, “the case would’ve been no billed to a grand jury and the McMichaels would’ve gotten away with murder.”

    In a letter to Glynn County police, Barnhill wrote that criminal charges were unwarranted against Greg McMichael, his son Travis McMichael, who appeared to fire all three shots, and a third man, William Bryan, who helped them corner Arbery on Feb. 23 inside their neighborhood just south of Brunswick.

    The prosecutor said Arbery, who was unarmed, initiated contact with Travis McMichael.

    “This family are not strangers to the local criminal justice system,” Barnhill wrote in his letter to Carr. “From best we can tell, Ahmauds older brother has gone to prison in the past and is currently in the Glynn jail, without bond, awaiting new felony prosecution. It also appears a cousin has been prosecuted by DA Johnson’s office.”

    https://www.ajc.com/news/local/brunswick-attorney-released-the-video-arbery-shooting/JkpbvTuJt9wfl3tkcLTTvO/

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @trickster
  12. And they are still hammering the ‘jogger’ flim-flam. Absolutely shameless.

  13. But it is remarkable how out of touch the national media is that they so frequently put all their chips on bad actors.

    it’s not done by mistake but by design, I think. Clear cut cases are not that interesting, but the cases where you could argue both ways, that inflame passions pro and con are good for revenue $$$… the media can ride on a moral high horse, and if they turned out to have been a bit off/factually incorrect, they still have been morally or politically correct. It’s all more about the benjamins than a grand conspiracy against the White Patriots …

  14. @JimDandy

    It appears Philando Castile paid for his weed out of his paycheck, which by the standards of most of these other guys made him Mr. Rogers.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • LOL: JimDandy
  15. @Buffalo Joe

    A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

    Winston Churchill

    That is the governing principle underlying that which you observe, Buffalo Joe. An evil use of getting inside their opponents’ OODA loop.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Hans
    , @Dennis Dale
  16. “how out of touch the national media is that they so frequently put all their chips on bad actors.“

    Their preconceptions are a Procrustean bed. They are possessed. They cannot help themselves. In rare moments of nightmarish lucidity they scrawl in blood on the wall “Stop me before I kill again.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  17. The media isn’t out of touch, they have no reason to fear what goes around comes around because it never has.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  18. But, but…

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Harry Baldwin
  19. The first case of this kind that started to puzzle me was the “Jena Six”, because in it you could clearly see how a mythical narrative was build on systematic misuse of the post hoc ergo propter hoc – fallacy; the narrative picked up logically, causally and temporally unconnected details or events and painted a morality tale out of or with them.

    Getting angry at the media just makes you a “mark” …

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  20. AceDeuce says:

    I noticed that myself a couple of days ago–c olored boys usually have two or more alternate names-first and/or last, sometimes with the paid/unpaid help of negro city workers. It’s to throw off the law, etc. Now, with Big Brother so pervasive, it’s tougher, which is why a routine traffic stop for Gentle Joggers, Skittles Scholars, and other dusky wastes of oxygen leads to John Law uncovering a convoluted history.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  21. JimB says:

    But it is remarkable how out of touch the national media is that they so frequently put all their chips on bad actors.

    I don’t think it matters to the national media. Just so long as the phony narrative holds up long enough to shift an election.

  22. Unit472 says:

    A Bobby Bonds fathering and raising a Barry Bonds in a world of 70 plus percent illegitimacy where a child has a baby daddy instead of a father and is raised by a grandmother and “street names” are used to conceal one’s true identity means a name is meaningless.

  23. The behavioral scientist Dr. Konrad Lorenz did a lot of work with ducks and other waterfowl regarding the act of “imprinting”. When ducklings hatch they typically imprint on the nearest thing as their mother figure and after a few hours will blindly follow her anywhere she goes.

    Lorenz would replace the mother duck with himself at hatching time, and after a few hours exposure he would become their “mother” to the hatchlings who would follow him everywhere. Even when the true mother was introduced to the ducklings, they would ignore her and continue to treat Lorenz as their maternal unit.

    Something similar seems to happen among white liberals. They watch morality plays like “To Kill a Mockingbird” and are imprinted with the vision of Atticus Finch bravely defending the downtrodden Negroes against vile white racists. It’s no wonder that TKAM is required reading in all U.S. high schools and has been for 50 years.

    Every white liberal sees himself as Gregory Peck in a white suit shouting outraged truth to power. That feeling of righteous rage is like a drug that they can’t get enough of, and trying to reach such people with inconvenient truths about Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown or now the Armaud Avery or however it’s spelled just won’t pierce their righteousness bubble. It’s like explaining to a crackhead all the bad things that ensue from a crack cocaine addiction. It’s futile.

    Working with modern liberals is not to be done with facts or logic. It’s mostly a psychological problem.

  24. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Some high-profile athletes want the federal government to get involved in a murder case.

    Tom Brady heads athletes’ letter calling for Ahmaud Arbery justice

    The Players Coalition and a group of current and former athletes and coaches sent a letter to Attorney General William Barr and FBI Director Christopher Wray calling for an immediate federal investigation into the controversial death of Ahmaud Arbery.

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/08/tom-brady-heads-athletes-letter-calling-for-ahmaud-arbery-justice/

    Here’s the list of athletes who signed the letter (I see Julian Edelman signed it but they misspelled his name):

    https://twitter.com/jjones9/status/1258770806697611264/photo/2

  25. @Buffalo Joe

    Sorry to go OT, but somewhat relevant to your point: the WSJ is on fire tonight with the new revelations in the Flynn case, which for the first time point right to Joe Biden’s office. I searched the NYT and found zero mentions of the story, except for lionizing the lawyer who’s been appointed special prosecutor now to re-try Flynn and see if they can make it stick this time.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-flynn-unmaskers-unmasked-11589411876

    I think the article (being a masthead editorial) is available to everyone, but I can post it in its entirety if anyone needs that. Every patriot should read it, as well as some of the best comments. One of which points out:

    It’s worth noting that NONE of these abuses of power would have been discovered if Trump had not won the election. Deepstate powers skirt laws and abuse power to tilt an election and then their candidate burns (or bleach bits) the evidence. Until they can’t.

  26. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Perhaps he was non-violent, but the guy had been pulled-over by the police 52 times in the several years preceding his homicide. I mean, wtf…

  27. @Anon

    Maybe the whole, f**king NFL can take a knee now and STFU.

    Let the shutdown continue indefinitely for them. Ignore them. Now it is clear that Brady is just a white idiot jock with a hot wife — if that wasn’t already made clear by his refusal to gracefully retire.

    Seriously, why does anyone care anymore about black football with a few white guys in it? Who cares what these guys think, when they actually do think?

  28. GermanReader2 [AKA "GermanReader2_new"] says:
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    Thomas Sowell’s book “The vision of the anointed”akes some good observations regarding this topic

  29. February 10, 2015:

    https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/fastnews-feb/article_a68340a9-87de-5397-947d-ab5a35662fba.html

    A Glynn County man has been indicted for allegedly bringing a handgun to Brunswick High School’s campus in December 2013 during a basketball game between the school’s crosstown rival, Glynn Academy.

    Ahmaud Marquez Arbery, who was 19 at the time, was indicted Jan. 28 for allegedly carrying a Big Bear .380 caliber pistol with him when attempting to make entry into the Dec. 3, 2013 basketball game.

    Glynn County School police said at the time that an officer noticed a gun in Arbery’s waistband, and he ran when the officer attempted to stop him. Officers put the campus in a lockdown mode during the foot chase.

    In the course of the chase, one school resource officer fell and fractured his hand.

    Arbery is now facing charges in Glynn County Superior Court of carrying a weapon within certain school areas, carrying a weapon without a license and three counts of obstructing an officer.
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  30. @A. Hipster

    It was built on a lot more than that. The noose came after, yeah, and there was no causal connection, but why would the inferred connection be a problem? The Jena Six were depraved criminal sons-of-bitches, and why should their victim be denied justice? Because, “Fuck you, Whitey!” — that’s why. *That* is the main foundation of the Jena Six lie.

    • Replies: @Alden
  31. Gabe Ruth says:

    Tamir Rice sticks out in my mind as the worst case in recent years. A case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes, to be sure, but the officer involved needed to do some time.

    There was a pretty complete surveillance video of the incident, which made it clear the shooting officer watched too many action movies.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  32. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anon

    Another example of the apple falling not far from the tree: Brady’s father was one of the leaders against a conservative San Francisco bishop.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  33. @james wilson

    The media isn’t out of touch, they have no reason to fear what goes around comes around because it never has.

    You are mistaken.

    On January 15, 1903, South Carolina lieutenant governor James H. Tillman (my namesake’s nephew) shot and killed Narciso G. Gonzales, editor of South Carolina’s most powerful newspaper, the State. Blaming Gonzales’s stinging editorials for his loss of the 1902 gubernatorial race, Tillman shot Gonzales to avenge the defeat and redeem his “honor” and his reputation as a man who took action in the face of an insult.

    He was acquitted.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @kaganovitch
  34. Amadou Diallo, the ur-victim, didn’t seem like a particularly bad dude, though I think he was guilty of immigration fraud.

    And… well, there was that 12-year old kid in Cleaveland.

    Even the clearly bad shoots tend to have victims who are not particularly upstanding citizens, though (see: Walter Scott).

  35. @Hamlet's Ghost

    Working with modern liberals is not to be done with facts or logic. It’s mostly a psychological problem.

    This, that arguing with modern liberals has a lot to do with psychology is quite white – your handle is apt. This is a root cause of our high culture and you can find it in Shakespeares works, in Molières (The Imaginative/Imaginery Invalid – a (quite short!) work of genius if ever there was one), Goethe (Faust might best be read as a fight between ruse, deception, wit, culture, tradition and reason), Freud, Fromm, Murray/Herrnstein, Tom Wolfe, Gerd Gigerenzer, David Guterson, Jonathan Franzen, Jonathan Haidt, Jordan Peterson…

    People are only too ready to sacrifice reason in the name of – justice (cf. Marx…), diversity ( Postmodernism – s. post No. 17 by commenter Change that Matters).

    The discourse about blacks is one, where (probably) all of these aspects matter. Steve Sailer ploughs this minefield of public deception and self-deception with (seemingly) unfatiguing insistency and clear-mindedness.- His is one reasonable strategy. – Great, but not enough. – If a complex modern society (and culture) loses its way, the goal should be a cultural change.

    (I might be asking for too much, but time will tell).

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    , @utu
  36. Anon[909] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    The left did this because they learned a very interesting lesson from the Trayvon Martin case. They learned you can keep a lie going for a very long time when you’re a established media outlet, and because there are enough corrupt liberal judges on their side that they’ll keep the narrative going long enough to whip left into a maniacal, baying frenzy. This is because the average leftist thinks like a child. Everything is black and white to them. They’re gullible. They’re rubes of skyscraper-land. They’re city bumpkins living in a bubble.

    The reporters want eyes on their pages because that’s how they make a living, and they’ve figured out how to turn a corrupt judicial system into their helping hand. Just look at what happened to Michael Flynn. Even though the prosecution has dropped the charges, that corrupt judge Sullivan is still trying to keep the case going so he can throw Flynn in jail. That’s crazy stuff. You can’t jail a guy when the prosecution has dropped the charges. No judge has any authority for it.

    Another reason the left did this is because they’re conducting a cold war against traditional American rule of law. They’re trying root out traditional jurisprudence in the courts, and these hate-whitey frenzies are one of the weapons they’re using. They’re trying to replace American law with what an anthropologist would call the rule of tribal customs instead. I would like to remind you that Soros cash has been plonked down to elect prosecutors that will do the bidding of the left, and this too is part of the cold war against traditional American rule of law.

    People need to wake up to how serious a threat this is. This country will fall apart if we become a state governed by Tribal Customs of whatever kind–black ghetto customs, Hispanic barrio gangbanger customs. Liberals literally want America run according to the customs created by black criminal culture. Namely, no criminal black ever gets into trouble for anything, because whitey is just another tribe blacks don’t care about, and any attack they make against another tribe is always okay, because they’re alien–they’re other. Liberals are fighting like crazy to revert us into just another loser, backward, dumb tribal third-world country with every tribe fighting everyone else.

    The Baby Boomers deserve more criticism for this than any other sin they’ve ever committed.

    The longer I live, the more I think a hot war is inevitable. The values of coastal liberals are so different from those in the interior of this country that we can no longer be reconciled. We’re two different countries with a shared economy, and that’s all.

    • Replies: @fatmanscoop
  37. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Hillary Clinton tried to get some milage out of that Hispanic former beauty contestant who was rather dodgy in her connections. Later on they tried to build up an unpalatable porn actress as a tool against Trump. Aren’t a lot of really clean or sympathetic types available to be used for political purposes. With a name like Zimmerman they probably thought they had a real white guy they could hold up to the baying mob in the Trayvon affair so they rushed in quickly, later calling him a ‘white Hispanic’.

  38. @Hamlet's Ghost

    Kevin MacDonald:

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6ca6/2067580d31dd696dd8dcff4b27270e421e10.pdf?_ga=2.127367885.1332692705.1589434085-1353523785.1589434085

    “. . . the key for a group intending to turn Europeans against themselves is to trigger their strong tendency toward altruistic punishment by convincing them of the moral blameworthiness of their own people. Because Europeans are individualists at heart, they readily rise up in moral anger against their own people once they are seen as free riders and therefore morally blameworthy . . . .”

    ” The best strategy to destroy Europeans, therefore, is to convince the Europeans of their own moral bankruptcy. A major theme of my book, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, is that this is exactly what Jewish intellectual movements have done. They have presented Judaism as morally superior to European civilization and European civilization as morally bankrupt and the proper target of altruistic punishment. The consequence is that once Europeans are convinced of their own moral depravity, they will destroy their own people in a fit of altruistic punishment. The general dismantling of the culture of the West, and eventually its demise as anything resembling an ethnic entity, will occur as a result of a moral onslaught triggering a paroxysm of altruistic punishment. “

  39. I know there already a couple of threads on the site with dozens of comments, but can someone help answer a couple of things that have been bugging me:

    1) How can the father be charged the same as the son? I understand the idea of common purpose or joint enterprise, but how would that apply here?

    2)How far did the killing take place from Arbery’s home? I’ve seen claims that it was many miles, but a Daily Mail graphic made it look much closer.

    3)Arbery is said to have been an ‘aspiring electrician’ (which makes a nice change) but it’s unclear whether he’s been in any form of employment or education for the past 3-4 yeats.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
  40. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, there is a virtual media black out, (no pun intended), concerning the murder of Mikel Fetterman, a 3 year old kid killed by his (white) mother’s black partner.
    The child was beaten to death – hateful, of course, but there’s a certain lion-killing-cubs base low down elementary ‘logic’ to that, but, what is even more unforgivable is that the kid was being continually ‘sodomized’ into the bargain.
    Is it possible to sink to lower depths? Where is the outrage, the howling?

    In the UK prison system, the murderer, being dubbed a ‘nonce’ would be given Hell by both guards and other inmates until one day he would *inevitably* be murdered himself in an extremely gruesome fashion by another inmate(s).
    Does this happen in the USA too or is it a peculiarly British thing?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @znon
  41. @ben tillman

    “February 10, 2015: …

    … Ahmaud Marquez Arbery

    So the answer to Steve’s question

    “could be simply be a typo on a police form, a simple lie, or maybe he changed his name”

    is “autocorrect“?

  42. @Marty

    “Once he was handcuffed, the offender confirmed by exculpatory statement that he was indeed armed, but he had dropped the weapon in his attempt to escape,” Ellis said.

    What does “by exculpatory statement” mean here? (An online search was fruitless.) Statement by whom saying what? And how would such a statement be exculpatory (and of whom)? Wouldn’t a statement “Yeah, that’s my gun” be INculpatory?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  43. The important difference between this case and the cases of Michael Brown, Freddie Grey and Trayvon Martin, is that the two men who followed and shot Arbery were not uniformed law-enforcement (nor even “neighborhood watchmen” with law enforcement back-up on the phone.) They were just two fellow citizens in plain clothes.

    That difference matters. The “citizen’s arrest” laws are drawn narrowly for good reason, and these two men likely committed a crime in chasing, confronting, and killing Arbery, no matter how unsavory Arbery may have been.

  44. J.Ross says:

    >He was a jogger!
    Oh Steve, naughty naughty, mustn’t say words like that.

  45. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:

    In addition, some media sources have used “Arbury,” perhaps simply a spelling mistake.

    In preliterate societies spelling was hot or miss. Samuel Pepys spelled his name a dozen different ways, and he was quite educated. Perhaps it’s not unreasonable to consider the bottom half of black American society as being functionally illiterate, can’t read or write and don’t care. Thus they give their kids names that seem to be based on English, French, or African names, but which have crazy spellings. Ockham’s Razor says to not think too hard about it: Arbery and everyone connected with him are a bunch or retards, case closed.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  46. Enochian says:

    Most likely it’s simply a transcription error – b and v sound very much alike, and they’re still confusing even if you try and name the letters out loud.

  47. Sean says:

    Ellis said he drove alongside Avery with his gun pointed at him as Avery ran along a sidewalk in front of the school. After being ordered to stop several times, Ellis said Avery ran between buildings to the back of the school, where two officers cornered him and arrested him.

    Interesting that teen Arbery had the agility, speed and confidence to dodge and hare off , and continued ignoring orders to stop even while there was a firearm pointed at him. He knew he did not have fear being shot in the back for ignoring lawful orders .

    Arbery must have knew all he had to do is veer off the road and run, even if the younger McMichael had tried to follow on in a foot chase through backyards and over fences, Arbery would surely have got away. I think he started to do just that or feigned it; the camera phone veers way to the right then picks up Arbery way off the road if he went off to the right and then suddenly changed direction and came at his pursuer like a charging leopard tuning the tables. Quick on his feet, too fast and unpredictable for McMichael.

    The evidence of this and Trayvon is these characters react to a citizen approaching them completely differently to how they would if a cop was doing it. The gun (even a shotgun) pointed at them is not the primary factor for the young black in a criminal mindset when someone tries to make a citizen’s arrest. Arbery saw it as being dissed.

  48. @Lurker

    In the novels, Bond carries first a .25, then a .32.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @David In TN
  49. @ben tillman

    They have presented Judaism as morally superior to European civilization and European civilization as morally bankrupt and the proper target of altruistic punishment.

    German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier did exactly this in a move with dreamlike precision last week in his pubic speech in Berlin to remember the last day of WW II – he said, explicitly, that with regard to the German history (= Hitler), forgiveness can no longer exist. – Then as I said already, in a move of dreamlike precision, he goes on, that the rabbinical metaphor of the broken-heart will have to take the place of forgiveness, for all Germans – forever.
    He annihilated one of the central thoughts of Christianity – central to the only prayer Jesus is said to have taught his pupils, which is forgiveness of all evil – and restituted it by the metaphor of the eternal broken heart and – explicitly so: Shame! – Thou Germans shalt live in shame from now on till the end of the world. – That’s what President Steinmeier basically claimed last week in Berlin – and to what effect? Nil!

  50. anon[134] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s remarkable how often the Prestige Press manages to find somebody to sanctify who is a real dodgy character. Alternatively, how often do they find somebody who is even an okay guy?

    The whole BLM thing inspired these independent databases of police killings. There were two or three. The independent one is no longer active.

    But, basically, there were a couple of hundred blacks killed per year. Approximately. I spent a few hours looking in detail at quite a few, and there were no black victims killed by the police that weren’t sketchy. In the course of a year, there might be one or two victims that were plausibly OK by white middle class standards. Without serious weapons charges, without firing at police, etc. The exceptions tended to be youthful – with juvie records, like Travon and Michael Brown. There was some kid in Pittsburg that was in an unlicensed cab/jitney that was involved in a driveby, but the kid wasn’t involved in the driveby*. He was shot in the back while fleeing. Under Obama, Blacks seemed to have achieved the absolute right to run from police, without fear of being shot. In this case, the cop violated that new tacit right, and was prosecuted. But other than that, I don’t remember a single one. The databases linked to newspaper stories, so you could get the usually involved story.

    I think it is because OK guys don’t get into shootouts with police. And vice versa. Not that there aren’t plenty of OK Black men. And there are plenty of black potential martyrs that get shot by Black gangsters. So, what do they have to work with? Emmett Till, Travon, Michael Brown? So they sanctify what they have to work with.

    * Antwon Rose. The cop was tried and acquitted for murder. The family settled a $2 million wrongful death suit with the city.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  51. Ahmaud Marquez Arbery = Bam! “Aah! Quazy murderer!”

    • LOL: Cortes
  52. Alden says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Unfortunately, about 100 million Americans mostly men worship the professional athlete black OFEs. Nothing we can do about it. It’s not like affirmative action.

    We can try to inform a brother son nephew with a civil Engineering degree and 5 years experience as a project manager for a big construction firm that the reason he hasn’t been able to get a new job is because he’s a White man. He might or might not listen. When he runs out of money and can’t pay the mortgage he might listen.

    But how to convince a White sports fan to get away from OFE sports I don’t know. One of husband’s good qualities he’s never watched black sports. Maybe we can reward White men who don’t follow OFE * sports? I hired our attorney because he’s a hockey fan and that’s a White sport. I, we try to hire White men as much as possible.

    We’ve got bigger problems like affirmative action unlimited non White immigration and the hatred directed at us by schools academia media government and liberal Whites than Whites who watch OFE sports

    *Obsolete Farm Equipment

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Troll: guest007
    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Reg Cæsar
  53. SafeNow says:

    What on earth is a “school resource officer,” I had to ask myself, being the antiquarian relic of another era. I looked it up. So that’s what it’s come to.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  54. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    As someone from Georgia I have certainly never even heard of the name Arbery.

    I have met black Averys from Georgia.

    This site has one family of Arbery in America: https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/ARBERY

  55. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @ChrisM

    Youd think the, ” brings semi automatic weapon to school ” felony would alert everyone that this was a dangerous criminal. It should be mentioned everytime there are calculated efforts to sanctify him.
    I think the point isnt so much the victims in journalist minds, they are foils, it’s the target that frames the story in their minds. Police, White men with guns. Dissident political expression from globo homo.

    Look at your own writing about the recent Delaware murders. Doesnt fit the narrative so actively suppressed. If this was an inter black affair in chicago it wouldn’t even make local news. Man bites dog.

  56. And then there was that Australian chick capped by the Somali Cop in Minneapolis … what was the history there.

    Re Abery/Avery/Whateverhebe, if they are letting people start to make a history of connection, it will only be to turn this into a charge of premeditated murder.

    • Agree: Inverness, Meretricious
  57. Alden says:
    @ben tillman

    Something similar happened in France around the same time. A major newspaper kept attacking the premier of France the way the NYSLIMES Wash Post CNN attack Trump.

    His wife got mad, went to the newspaper and shot the editor owner dead. She got off on some irresistible impulse crime of passion excuse. She stood by her man.

    I really hope George Zimmerman wins a massive libel perjury etc case against the prosecutors and newspapers. I hope Darren Wilson who shot Mike Brown of Ferguson sues too as the Covington Catholics did.

  58. @MEH 0910

    Sure, he looks like a nice guy, but here’s where you end up ….

    [Skip to 2:05 if you want to go directly to the punchline]

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  59. Alden says:
    @ben tillman

    The White boy who was beaten had a black girl friend. That might have had something to do with the attack. Or probably it was just beat up a White kid day.

    There should be some kind of workmen’s compensation for public school students . If a black beats you up at work it’s a workmen’s compensation claim. And your employer’s WCOM insurance payments soar.

    Any attorneys know why premises liability doesn’t come into play when kids get beat up by thugs in school? Tenants visitor beats him up the landlord’s liable. Tenants dog bites him landlord is liable.

    • Replies: @FPD72
  60. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    As long as we’re at it, it seems clear that the Winston Churchill attribution is apocryphal. It doesn’t even sound like something he would say.

    • Replies: @John Derbyshire
  61. @Dieter Kief

    >Gerd Gigerenzer, David Guterson, Jonathan Franzen, Jonathan Haidt, Jordan Peterson

    An impressive list of names terminating in five writers unknown to me.The commenter’s point is that for things to change, something has to change which is true but not illuminating. Best not to wrap yourself in other people’s names.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @Bill Jones
  62. bomag says:
    @Che Blutarsky

    …a feature and not a bug

    Yes; they get a frisson from advocating for the guilty.

  63. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @For what it's worth

    The case with Eric Garner was also sad all around, given how minor the infraction was.

    This was the prime case of how blacks need to revisit the Chris Rock “How Not to Get Your Ass Kicked by the Police” video. Blacks seem to think that when a cop moves to arrest them, it’s the start of a negotiation, a process that might end in not getting arrested. How did they ever get that impression? Has that ever happened once in the history of the universe? Once it reaches that stage, you’re getting arrested, even it it takes a whole SWAT team.

    They think that saying “I don’t want to be arrested today, I didn’t do anything” is going to get them off. That the world is a place where only those people who welcome being arrested are arrested.

    There is a time for everything, and the time to complain about a cop is later.

    Garner: “Let’s see. They caught me. I’ve been arrested for this before. I’m super fat and have health problems. Yeah, I’ll just behave in a way that makes them drop the hammer on me in a big way, rather than just going along and giving my grief to my public defender to use later.”

    • Replies: @Not my economy
  64. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    He annihilated one of the central thoughts of Christianity – central to the only prayer Jesus is said to have taught his pupils, which is forgiveness of all evil – and restituted it by the metaphor of the eternal broken heart and – explicitly so: Shame! – Thou Germans shalt live in shame from now on till the end of the world. – That’s what President Steinmeier basically claimed last week in Berlin – and to what effect? Nil!

    Right. Those who try to shame you are enemies. When dealing with enemies, “Never to forgive, never to forget”. Start with German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, but don’t stop with him.

  65. Probably just a typo or an autocorrect, but then again, maybe he changed his name because he didn’t like how “Avery” rhymes with “slavery”….

    A bad joke of course, but it’s actually very disconcerting once you start to realize how many lower-IQ blacks spend a lot of their time still being angry about slavery. They actually do spend many precious minutes of their day thinking about it, it comes up in their casual conversation with alarming frequency, to say nothing of all the term papers, tweets, and alleged dissertations. Their worldview would be even scarier than the fake-historiography of ((( Our Greatest Allies))), if they had the same sort of influence. For a lot of blacks, World History looks something like this…

    1. We wuz Kangz, and rode around in flying pyramids, laughing at the lowly white cavemen below.
    2. Then yabbadayabbada yabbada, a bunch of other History stuff happened; then,
    3. SLAVERY!!!!1!!
    4. ZOMG, I’m not kidding y’all, SLAAAAAAVERY!!!
    5. Then Martin Luther King rode a bus in the back of a lunch counter, there were dogs and fire hoses, and then Civil Rights happened.
    6. So now, the Evil White Crackaz owe us free stuff forever, because slavery.

    The End.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
  66. “Off the top of my head …”

    I would go with Botham Jean the black guy killed by the female police officer who thought he was in her apartment.

  67. International Jew [AKA "Hebrew National"] says:
    @H. J. Daly

    Yes, especially considering that anyone with any kind of athletic pretentions won’t say he’s “going for a jog”. He’s going “running”. But of course if the MSM said Arbery/Avery was “running” that’s liable to suggest he was running away from something or dashing or at any rate not going steadily in the manner of a distance athlete in training.

  68. Hans says:
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    Um, that should be “jogs halfway around the world”

  69. International Jew [AKA "Hebrew National"] says:

    Arbery, Avery…you’re dealing with a verbal, not a literate, culture. Of his three names, the only one that’s definitely spelled right is his middle name Marquez. And I wonder how that came about? Maybe his mom named him Marcus (or Jamarcus…) but some Spanish teacher assigned him the name Marquez for in-class use.

  70. Romanian says: • Website

    Off-topic

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/why-are-americas-most-essential-workers-so-poorly-treated/611575/

    An article that starts out well, but never gets to the immigration part except to complain that women and minorities are hardest hit.

    • Replies: @Inverness
  71. @Dieter Kief

    Since Jack’s not here today I’ll just fill in by saying “Let that be a warning to you all” and point out that the so-called Old Testament is all about Eternal Vengeance.

    • Agree: Jack Armstrong
  72. @The Alarmist

    Here’s another version of that video:

    https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/prose-and-cons/n8838

    Saturday Night Live exists today because it hired a single teenager in 1981.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @Jake
  73. “But it is remarkable how out of touch the national media is that they so frequently put all their chips on bad actors.”

    The archetype of this would be the Trayvon Martin case. And the obvious explanation is that once the media makes a decision, they have ‘sunken costs’ and can’t back out.

    Black teenager shot by white guy (George Zimmerman-just about the whitest name on earth). Wait…he’s Hispanic? Err, ‘white’ Hispanic. Wait, the black teenager is a thug? Err, ignore the evidence. Wait, there is film of Zimmerman at the police station with head injuries consistent with being battered into the sidewalk? Err, ignore it. Wait, the beating happened near George’s truck, while he was on the phone with the police? Err, he ‘hunted’ the teenager.

    and so on.

    The real problem isn’t that they lie. The problem is that it works. Goodwhites buy into it: they’d rather hate a couple of chubby southern white boys than the black guy who, if he was snooping in their neighborhood, would elicit cries of ‘what can we do’ to the Homeowner’s Association.

    Every time one of these incidents occurs, I am reminded of the power of the media-even in the internet age. The media really does define right and wrong in this country. And its not like our stereotype of Russia (‘the media pretends to inform us and we pretend to believe’). In my experience, Goodwhites really do believe.

    joe

    • Replies: @trickster
  74. Inverness says:
    @Romanian

    Spectator US:

    When the short term is all you can count on, a short-term unemployment payout that’s higher than a short-term income from employment is the logical choice to make.

    Yet even if it’s the right choice for workers, it’s the wrong choice for small businesses, which need a labor force they can afford. No doubt the pundits’ answer to that one will be more immigration. But that leads to even more perverse outcomes, ones that we have seen all too clearly, whereby American workers are abandoned to addiction, suicide and despair, while cheap new workers are shipped in to prop up businesses — and the Democratic party and its allies in the media university identity-politics industry.

    https://spectator.us/when-money-dies-stimulus-1200/

    • Thanks: Romanian
  75. International Jew [AKA "Hebrew National"] says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “At Rupert High, an honor student is someone who comes to class and doesn’t piss on the teacher.”
    https://youtu.be/_XTMENPvF54 at 1:05

    • Replies: @Pericles
  76. Dr. X says:
    @Lurker

    For some unknown reason, blacks are not fond of using a decent holster…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Inquiring Mind
  77. @ben tillman

    This tactic has backfired on the Jews because the same arguments they made against White Gentiles regarding Blacks and other minorities are used against them regarding the Palestinians. Hoisted on their own petard, so to speak.

    A Jew may or may not regard herself as White, and the lefties don’t, but non-Whites regard them as White. Uber White, if anything. Anti-Semitism is a subset of Anti-Whitism.

  78. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    I thought Mr. Bond was a .32 ACP man.

    I have little experience with 9mmK (.380) nor with .32 ACP except with the .32 in sub caliber adapters in .30-06 and .308 rifles. So fired it was very quiet and I was able to bag small game in a dense suburban backyard (we had a 40 foot hill for a backstop) with never a call to the cops. That was back in the carburetor days when several neighbors had teenage boys with jackmobiles with poorly jetted oversized Holley’s, aftermarket manifolds, lumpy cams and Cherry Bomb exhausts. Backfires were common.

    The German Peters Stahl company made a beautiful, and spendy, 1911 upper conversion kit both for .22 LR, which is wicked rare now, and a .32 one that is absolute unobtanium. But it was for .32 S&W Long flush loaded wadcutter only. I wanted one really bad. Not sure why.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Inquiring Mind
  79. @Sean

    We have video of Arbery sprinting to attack the younger McMichael. It looks like an NFL cornerback sacking a 38 year old quarterback:

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Redman
    , @MEH 0910
  80. Arclight says:

    Back when I read The Atlantic, Alena Samuels had a knack for writing stories about how unfair/inadequate some policy is with the prime character always being a single mother of 7 with 8 dads and a criminal record who only needed a better apartment or help teaching her kids to read and her entire life would be different. After awhile I started to think she was quietly red pilled and sneaking this stuff past her editors.

  81. @ben tillman

    ” The best strategy to destroy Europeans, therefore, is to convince the Europeans of their own moral bankruptcy. A major theme of my book, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, is that this is exactly what Jewish intellectual movements have done. They have presented Judaism as morally superior to European civilization and European civilization as morally bankrupt and the proper target of altruistic punishment. The consequence is that once Europeans are convinced of their own moral depravity, they will destroy their own people in a fit of altruistic punishment. The general dismantling of the culture of the West, and eventually its demise as anything resembling an ethnic entity, will occur as a result of a moral onslaught triggering a paroxysm of altruistic punishment. “

    Usual Mac’s stuff.

    I’ve already said that most MacDonald’s claims were bogus. To analyze most of his specific claims is as useless & boring as are most of his grand assertions.

    * Jews “follow group evolutionary strategy”. He didn’t prove that such a strategy exists at all, apart from a trivial observation that any human collective wants to preserve its identity & to thrive. No “strategy” in such a behavior.

    * also, the author’s description of “Jewish movements” is non-verifiable & actually difficult to describe. From what I know of Marxism, psychoanalysis or Leninism- these were not “Jewish” movements, neither in intellectual genesis nor with regard to their proponents.
    What about other intellectual currents, prominent in 20th & 21st C? Do these movements or cultural currents qualify as “Jewish”: anarchism, free-love leftism, Expressionism, Cubism, Dadaism, German phenomenology in philosophy, cultural critique (Derrida & Foucault following Heidegger), New Left with its post-1968 ideology, multiculturalism as ideology, Jungian archetypal psychology, New Age ideologies, radical Feminism, “New Atheism”, evolutionary psychology, sociobiology, various schools of economics (Austrian, Chicago,..), structuralism in humanities, ..?

    * what about areas where ethnic Jews are over-represented in 20th & 21st fields: theoretical physics, all branches of mathematics, chess masters, computer science, violin virtuosi, philanthropists in arts & curators of museums, film directors & producers, ..? Are these areas somehow driven by Jewish interests, whether conscious or not? How can we ascertain this?

    Although I admire MacDonald’s work in demolition of maudlin myth the core American Jewish community has over time built about it (eternal victims & universal humanitarians), I don’t see his work as dispassionate analysis that would be close to even such a non-exact “science” as evolutionary psychology claims to be. With its broad sweep of generalizations, MacDonald’s work on historical traits of Judaism (as cultural-historical identity) is not unlike other historiosophies, similar to St. Augustine, Gioacchino da Fiore, Hegel, Marx or Spengler.

    As far as “they have presented Judaism as morally superior to European civilization and European civilization as morally bankrupt and the proper target of altruistic punishment.” goes- not such thing.

    MacDonald, I guess, claims that Marx, Freud, various writers belonging to the Frankfurt School (perhaps others- Franz Boas in the American context?) said something about “moral superiority of Judaism to European civilization”- and this is bollocks. Very few of them knew anything about Judaism (I think only Fromm was well informed); most of them did not think in terms of moral superiority or inferiority; MacDonald is so glaringly superficial & tendentious he can be taken seriously only by the archetypal Global Bozo.

    Good grief, this is Corona time, use this opportunity & read something…

    [MORE]

  82. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    What “exculpatory statement” means is that the apprehended fugitive told police officers something like, “Well, sure, I tried to carry the gun into the high school basketball game, but it fell out of my pants outside, so I’m not really guilty of carrying a gun into a high school basketball game.”

    • Agree: ben tillman
  83. Mike Tre says:
    @Bleuteaux

    Well, LA county is possibly extending their lock down another 3 months.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-idUSKBN22O1Y7

  84. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I’m even starting to question the ‘hot wife’ part. Have you seen that jaw line?

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  85. Bill P says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Steinmeier has neither the authority nor the power to deny redemption to anyone, so of course his claim had no effect. From a Christian perspective, it’s absurd. Since he’s speaking in spiritual terms here, he must not be an atheist, so what religion does he follow?

    We have to be very clear that Jewish and Christian ideas of atonement are quite distinct from each other. For Jews, as I understand it, there’s often a physical transaction such as a blood sacrifice or payment involved. We all know the Christian idea behind it, but we should consider the Jewish point of view as well. In cases where there is a dispute, justice is the only thing Christians can offer Jews, and barring mass conversion to Judaism that will have to suffice. Of course, if Germans chose to become Muslim tomorrow they could, according to the mullahs, wipe the slate clean and start demanding things from Jews.

    Steinmeier should know that and stop putting on airs and improperly acting sanctimonious in a way that will offend both parties while satisfying neither. In other words, if he isn’t a rabbi, he should shut up about this stuff, because nobody is buying it.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  86. @Anon

    Blacks seem to think that when a cop moves to arrest them, it’s the start of a negotiation, a process that might end in not getting arrested. How did they ever get that impression? Has that ever happened once in the history of the universe? Once it reaches that stage, you’re getting arrested, even it it takes a whole SWAT team.

    Actually, they’re right. The cops back down from making arrests all the time. White guys who resist don’t have any support from bystanders or a well funded grievance/patronage network. So yeah, you, you’re getting arrested, but for Eric Garner, it’s not a given. Who do you think has seen more interaction with the cops? Him or a right wing internet commenter?

    And note that standoff in Oregon where they did call in SWAT and then they still backed down because those guys had a lot of support.

    You must chimp!

  87. Jake says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    They do win all the time. No matter how wrong they are every tine, their worldview (the Negro is NUMINOUS) remains the nation’s narrative – and the world’s narrative because the Anglo-Zionist Empire is Global.

    WASP Elites, on both sides of the Atlantic, had embraced the Negro as its special pet with which to prove its moral caring superiority over the white trash no later than the 1830s.

  88. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    In the UK prison system the surest, best way for a violent criminal – especially a ‘lifer’ sentenced for murder – to gain kudos and respect from fellow inmates and to make a reputation as a ‘real hard man’, and thus to become something like ‘King of the Prison’ earning the respect and untouchability of all, is to kill the nonce. The more gruesome and painful the killing the better.
    Hence, there is an enormous incentive to kill the nonce. It obsesses some very very violent, determined and ruthless men.

  89. @anon

    My impression is that Philando Castile wanted to give the impression he was a Major Playa but he was actually kind of a work-a-day dweeb.

    I can sympathize.

  90. Pericles says:
    @Steve Sailer

    We have to go back in time to shoot the teenager before that happens. Or get him a better job, whichever.

  91. Pericles says:
    @International Jew

    Yet another regrettable sign of white supremacy.

  92. The unfortunate young lad clearly suffered from an enhanced “flight or fight” instinct. When caught doing or even about to do something illegal the sufferer will run without giving it a second thought, until confronted, at which point he will switch to fight mode, trying to disarm a private citizen or even a law enforcement officer, again without thinking through the consequences. It is challenging to go through life with an IQ around room temperature, always going with one’s instincts.

  93. Ian Smith says:
    @H. J. Daly

    They’re now claiming he was just checking out a construction site because he was a budding electrician or something.

    • Replies: @trickster
  94. Jake says:
    @Steve Sailer

    That clip is most funny for the same reason it is most horrifying: it was true well before then that Liberals had a fetish for convicts, the more violent the better, and that the Liberals who controlled magazine and book publishing were uniquely prone to the mental illness.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  95. @Mr McKenna

    Sorry to go OT, but somewhat relevant to your point: the WSJ is on fire tonight with the new revelations in the Flynn case,

    yeah, but could any of these recent reports explain why Flynn did not simply tell the FBI that his talking to the Russian ambassador was for the purpose of preparing policy positions of new Trump admin? Even after the fact. Just say he lied to Pence and the FBI because he ( Flynn ) thought Trump wanted it kept confidential. Instead, Flynn folded.

    And why did Trump not stand by Flynn? Yes, there were threats to prosecute Flynn’s son. Could it be that Trump fired Flynn because the FBI had something on his son and would in the end, be able to flip Flynn to talk truthfully about Trump?

  96. Jake says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    MacDonald is ‘wrong’ because he is fighting a war on a front that barely means anything.

    This is a spiritual/religious war. That is the only front upon which it is won and lost. The war is about Christ and anti-Christ. The war is about Christendom and anti-Christendom.

    Naturally, the kulturkampf means that per capita Jews will always lead in every way, because a Jew is defined by being anti-Christ. But it is also true that Jews could achieve very little in acting to pervert Christendom and its legacy nations if their peoples were not prone to similar rebellion against Christ and Christendom.

    For example, the Reformation was a major world war against Christendom. Jews served as major players in all areas of financing Reformation, and in printing Reformation materials. But Jews could do that only because men – white men – chose to rebel.

    Kevin MacDonald’s work will mean little in the kulturkampf unless he converts to either Latin Mass Catholicism or to Eastern Orthodoxy and reconfigures his ideas from Darwinian evolution to historic Christendom.

  97. Neoconned says:

    I’m going to catch $h*t for this but I’m going to defend the dude. I haven’t for the record been following this story but wasn’t he unarmed when he was shot?

    I’ve been harassed by both cops and random people when I used to go out on walks about my neighborhood. Gay dudes would offer me rides. Drunks would scream at me or offer me rides. Shady types would ask me for money or directions etc. Weirdos would try to talk to me about random stuff. Cops would run my ID for warrants…..I could go on.

    Did the black dude have a gun on him when confronted? Why didn’t the guys call the cops to him instead of going all George Zimmerman? We have paid cops for a reason.

    As someone who has been harassed literally for just going out for a walk let me tell you it’s an issue. Having random wannabe cops chase you down when you’re minding your own business is scary.

    Did he commit a crime beforehand? Was he on the property of the two who shot him? Did he steal something? I’m playing devil’s advocate here….and also have not kept up with the case.

    But on the surface looks like the dude was minding his own business on a public street .

    And even if he had a record maybe he cleaned up. Having a record doesn’t justify blowing the guy away. Am I wrong to defend the dude? Convince me.

  98. lysias says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Why wouldn’t Autocorrect correct “Ahmaud”? What kind of name is Ahmaud anyway? How is it pronounced?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  99. Neoconned says:
    @AceDeuce

    I’m playing devil’s advocate here but seriously…does having a record justify killing the guy? Did he commit a crime against the two who killed him?

    Or did two fools with shotguns shoot s mistaken man? Didn’t they accuse him of burglary?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Colin Wright
  100. @Jake

    Life imitates Art. Art shits on life.

  101. Hibernian says:
    @Dan Hayes

    In Tom jr.’s case, he’s obviously under pressure as one of the 20% white players in the NFL, superstar status notwithstanding. And he has a new locker room whose confidence he has to gain.

    Of course the old man might have been a little brainwashed by the liberal culture in SF.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  102. A young man is dead and two other lives are wrecked and that is sad, but I think the MSM prays for opportunities such as the Arbery case. They salivate and rub their hands together and secretly pray that there is not a video to spoil the narrative. The black community seemingly needs these insidents to stay the victim, otherwise they know they have no relevence to the MSM. Blacks, in my opinion, could care less what white people think about them, otherwise they would do a few things for themselves that would make their lives better. Self control comes to mind first.

    • Agree: MBlanc46
  103. trickster says:
    @PiltdownMan

    You mean he was not studying to be a Neuro Surgeon ?

  104. trickster says:
    @Ian Smith

    Yes, what I heard was that he was planning on becoming a building inspector (LOL)

    • Replies: @Meretricious
  105. trickster says:
    @joeyjoejoe

    Right on my friend. They hate the white southern boys and root for the black boy until the black boy and some of his homies snoop around their neighbourhood, then snoop around their house and then break into their house, rob them, beat them and worse. That is when the “Good Whites”, those who virtue signal, want to appear “not racist” and cool because they believe in equality, want to hang with blacks because they represent and look exotic, that is when they get a wake up call. However for everyone who comes to their senses there are another two who indulge in these delusions and many times pay for it with their lives.

    In my opinion the MSM can publish whatever they want but people never learn. They always believe “HE” is the one that is going to get it in the neck, not me. Too late they find out that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

  106. @For what it's worth

    It will be interesting to see how this “drug raid gone bad” with the dead black female EMT case in Kentucky pans out. The same crew of shit bird lawyers on the jogger case are involved with this one too.

  107. @Almost Missouri

    LOL — quite likely correct.

  108. Maddaugh says:
    @Sean

    Yes he was quick on his feet, too fast and unpredictable for McMichael.

    However, McMichael was quick on the trigger, too fast and unpredictable for AA. Result ? A nice box for AA.

    The hand is quicker than the eye. What AA did not realize is that the hand is also quicker than the foot and further that a load from a shotgun at close range is quicker than the hand, the eye, the foot and AA.

    Avery/ Arbery or whatever his alias was at the moment felt he was being dissed, instead he got dusted ! RIP Avery. No more jogging in white areas for you, no more snooping around people’s homes looking for a score.

    • Replies: @Sean
  109. Anon[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian

    Brady. Smh. As an Irishman it pains me to say this, but looking at the world of politics, and particularly noticing the names of the Obama operatives requesting the Flynn unmasking, I have to confess the Irish are a troublesome, fucked up people. When I did my 23andMe test I was praying it would say I was Hungarian or Russian. No such luck.

    “The Irish are a fair people; they never speak well of one another.” —Samuel Johnson

  110. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. X

    They are thinking they can ditch the gun if needed, especially if they are felons or are in a place where carrying or possession is illegal. I know of no law against holster ownership or carrying, but even blacks figure that if caught the cops finding an empty holster will look extra hard for the missing firearm.

    The problem is the cops can establish possession with fingerprints and now DNA.

    There are now very few surfaces you cannot get admissible prints off at this time.

    More than one felon got the standard five year FIP stretch because a cop or fed smelled Hoppe’s #9 and searched. Because the product is really only good for dissolving smokeless powder residue, I suspect smelling it would constitute probable cause. It’s a unique smell.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
  111. @PennTothal

    When I went to law school I was surprised to learn that the police are not special people empowered to order the rest of us around. From Wiki

    In the United States a private person may arrest another without a warrant, for a crime occurring in their presence. However, the crimes for which this is permitted may vary by state.

    Common law

    Most states have codified the common law rule that a warrantless arrest may be made by a private person for a felony, misdemeanor or “breach of peace”.[76] “Breach of peace” covers a multitude of violations in which the Supreme Court has included a misdemeanor seatbelt violation punishable only by a fine. The term historically included theft, “nightwalking”, prostitution, and playing card and dice games. Texas courts have defined and interpreted the term “breach of the peace” to mean an act that disturbs or threatens to disturb the tranquility enjoyed by the citizens.

  112. @ben tillman

    He was acquitted.

    The past is a foreign country.

  113. @Anon

    In preliterate societies spelling was hot or miss.

    Subtle!

  114. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Lawyers like to use character and character assassination as a tool in a trial, but someones past actions aren’t always necessary in a video taped episode. Whatever he did when he was 19 is gone and you can’t prosecute him again for it. That would be unfair, just like you shouldn’t charge the whole white neighborhood with his death, that would be unfair too. Only one person shot him, and that person shot him in self defense, while the suspect was beating him in the head trying to take his weapon from him. Can we get some pictures of the shooters injuries?
    I’m sure the Obamas and Oprah will likely get involved in the evils of too many white people in a neighborhood, they could do a special for netflix.

  115. Phoenix1 says:
    @PennTothal

    You are wrong. If you read the DA’s report you will see that they broke no laws.
    The full video backs up everything in the report. That is why there were no charges filed.

  116. Sean says:
    @Steve Sailer

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29162975/lions-safety-tracy-walker-remembers-cousin-former-high-school-teammate-ahmaud-arbery-beautiful-soul

    Walker said he has known Arbery almost his entire life. His second cousin was a year older, played with him at Brunswick High School, always made him laugh after football games and practices, and “was slow as molasses, but he would hit you” on the football field.

    I have read of a couple of incidents in which middle aged white men were killed by a single punch (head hitting the pavement) from a young black, and the witnesses said it was so fast they couldn’t say what happened.

  117. @Bardon Kaldian

    Very few of them knew anything about Judaism (I think only Fromm was well informed);

    Not that I hold any brief for Kmac, but Freud was much better informed about Judaism then he let on. For chapter and verse see

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Dissident
  118. Art Deco says:
    @Sean

    Zimmerman never approached Martin. He observed him, parked his truck, and called the non-emergency dispatcher. Martin, when he caught up to the truck, made a 360 circuit around it, then headed down a walkway. When he was about 30 yards from Zimmerman, he abruptly ran off to his right down an alley. Zimmerman got out of his truck to attempt to keep him in eyeshot, but, as the recording of the call with the dispatcher makes clear, he never caught sight of him again while he had the dispatcher on the phone. From where he dropped his key chain and other effects, you can infer that he walked part of the way back to his truck, then loitered around waiting for the police to arrive. Martin quite deliberately turned around and walked 75 yards down the alleyway and attacked Zimmerman. If he’d just gone in the back door of Brandi Greene’s townhouse, there would have been no incident.

    What’s important to remember about this incident is what’s latent in the discourse of gentry progtrash and black chauvinists alike: that Zimmerman committed an offense by (1) calling the dispatcher and (2) shlepping around his own neighborhood on public walkways. Ergo, Martin had every right to beat him up (and Zimmerman no right to defend himself). One might also recall that when Tracy Martin discovered the following morning that his son was missing, the first thing he did was call juvenile hall, not realizing that out the back door of the townhouse 75 yards away had been the body of his son. Trayvon was in Orlando because his mother (who, per his stepmother, had him about 15% of the time) got fed up and put him on a bus to Brandi Greene’s. (Tracy Martin had been staying with Greene after separating from his 2d wife, who had been Trayvon’s primary caretaker for 14 years). The five-member pick-up team who had looked after Trayvon before Greene came on the scene knew quite well he was a disciplinary problem; so did the security service of the Miami-Dade school systems (who had let him skate when they caught him with a satchel full of stolen goods). One might also note that Trayvon’s social background was half middle-class, half skilled / semi-skilled wage earner; he wasn’t a slum kid.

    • Thanks: GermanReader2
  119. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I think it’s not just the lower IQ American blacks who harbor “post-slavery resentment.”

    What do recent black immigrants from Africa think about this?

  120. From the point of view of the law of the United States, which is what is relevant in this case, whether the man who got killed was “an okay guy”, an exemplary honest hard working black man, or someone who dismembered babies daily and drank their blood for breakfast is irrelevant regarding whether the two men who were accused of killing him commited murder.

    If Mr. Arbery/Avery can be shown to have posed, or that the McMichaels had reason to believe he posed an imminent threat to them at the moment (trying to assault them, for example), or, to a lesser extent, that the McMichaels had reason to believe Arbery was in the process of commiting or about to commit a misdemeanor or crime (like stealing from the house/construction site, or setting the place on fire, or stripping naked, etc.), they can argue the killing was in self-defense (which, I believe, is what the McMichaels will eventually formally state: that they have shot and killed Arbery because he attacked them and tried to grab their guns). Otherwise, their position is much harder to defend, unless the McMichaels argued that it was not them who killed Arbery at all, which I don’t think is the case.

    The media can make a big deal about white supremacy, how black bodies are being killed all over the US, or of either Arbery’s or the McMichaels’ past (and maybe even of their future, like how Arbery would surely solve the P =/≠ NP? problem if he had lived, or how the two white fellows are likely to kill half of the American black population if they get to walk, and so on), and Mr. Sailer can go on about how Arbery was not an okay guy at all and was even once called Avery (like Frederick “Tex” Avery, one of the creators of the Looney Tunes), but it is all irrelevant in judging whether the McMicheals commited murder by killing him or not. Even whether Arbery and the McMichaels had known each other from before does not obviously matter unless further details are provided.

    • Agree: Charlotte Allen
  121. Grumpy says:

    OT:

    Speaking of name changes, the Minnesota Supreme Court has made it official. Lake Calhoun, the largest lake in Minneapolis, has an easy-to-pronounce new name: Bde Maka Ska.

    https://www.startribune.com/bde-maka-ska-name-stays-supreme-court-says/570435552/

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  122. @For what it's worth

    If you count kids, the execution of Tamir Rice was one of the worst.

    • Replies: @jon
  123. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    Looks like I commented in haste!

    Backfiring cars – almost unknown for years has suddenly become a thing again. Keep hearing it now.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  124. Rob McX says:

    It would be interesting to speculate what might have happened if he hadn’t been apprehended with the gun. He might be doing 25 to life now, and the McMichaels would be enjoying the normal life they can no longer hope for.

  125. But it is remarkable how out of touch the national media is that they so frequently put all their chips on bad actors.

    I think you may just have to be prepared for the possibility that they choose these bad actors on purpose as a test of loyalty to the faith, as well as a show to their enemies of their power to spin a narrative without regard for the inconvenient facts. The old saw that you don’t start a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel.

    If you point out the dodgy criminal/antisocial histories of Arbery, Martin and Brown (but I just looked around and he’s gone . . .) it’s an act of heresy and marks you as someone to be mobbed if you have any public life. He a good boy, he dindu nuffin, he college bound . . .

    Perhaps the most egregious example was young Master Brown and the film footage of the robbery from which he was returning home with the loot – and after they were released the admonishments of none other than the then Attorney General of the United States that knowing about the robbery was a race sin.

    One of the fault lines of American life that these events keep demonstrating is that by and large middle American whites seem to have a general worldview that bad things can and do happen when you engage in criminal activities and that they are therefore best avoided, while blacks seem to view vast classes of crimes as de minimis inconveniences or inevitable events like weather that don’t really bear any relationship to consequent bad outcomes. Many blacks seem to have this idea that a little robbery isn’t a big deal, and shouldn’t be the catalyst for a chain of events which could end in an armed confrontation with victims or cops and the death of the robber. Of course, if the black perpetrator maims or kills a victim or cop in the process it’s just an unfortunate event like bad weather and no lessons can be learned from it and cops and armed victims are racist anyway so it’s just a balancing out of things. Nothing to get excited about.

    White lefties, whose way of life now seems to be inhabiting the gentrified bones of formerly working class and black urban neighborhoods hollowed out by the 60s-90s urban crime wave, seem to side with the blacks in this view – but only for blacks. It will be interesting to see how this changes when the next urban crime wave really gets going.

  126. @For what it's worth

    All of these sob or S.O.B. stories boil down to one thing: one small fraction of the human populace NO MATTER THE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION cannot simply FOLLOW THE RULES. No matter the socio-economic rank this 6% fraction of the US has demonstrated historically that they will not follow community guidelines enacted to keep everyone safe. They JUST CANT DO IT BABY.

  127. Redman says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    When you try to play this video it says the NFL has blocked it from display “on this website.” It allows you to then go to Youtube to see it.

    Is the NFL now banning you?

  128. @kaganovitch

    I haven’t read those books, so my comment is necessarily limited in scope.

    Of course Freud wrote a highly speculative book on Moses, which reads like a bizarre fiction. He tries, there, to interpret the Moses story through the lens of his theories; also, Freud probably- though, I’m not sure- read Heinrich Graetz’s history of the Jews (or at least part of it).

    This is all, as far as I know.

    Freud didn’t know Hebrew or Yiddish; he was only superficially acquainted with Judaism as a religious culture & practice; he was clueless about Jewish historical written culture, from Apocryphal texts through Kabbalah & philosophers/theologians like ibn Gabriol or Maimonides; he hadn’t read the Talmud (or any sizable part of it). After all, he was not a philosopher, nor a scholar.

    On the other hand, Freud was immersed in ancient Greek literature (he spoke old, koine Greek), Goethe, Shakespeare, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, … as well as high European visual culture of the Renaissance.

    Erich Fromm, on the other hand, had a clear Jewish identification; he read the Talmud etc.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  129. @For what it's worth

    Tamir Rice. 12 year old playing with a toy gun. The cops show up and blow him away no more than 2 seconds after their car stops. Thankfully, that cop was fired.

    Now, the amazing thing here is that Tamir Rice was clearly an innocent. They could have put adorable kid pictures of him on television because he was a kid, unlike Trayvon. At the time, however, the narrative was all about Michael Brown, who tried to grab a cop’s gun and charged said cop, and was killed for it. Rather than drop Brown for Rice, Black Lives Matter continued to try to shove the narrative on Brown down our throats, when they had a clearly innocent and sympathetic victim instead.

    As Orwell wrote: “Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.” The purpose of BLM wasn’t black lives, or justice: it was a display of raw power meant to be raw power.

  130. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Were they on a call? Who called? Are they fresh out of the academy?

    Note to officers: when you get a call to enforce social distancing at a housing project that’s when you accidentally hit a curb and blow out your front tire and mess up the tie rods in your cruiser.

    Moment LAPD officers are chased off the block by youths with water guns after trying to enforce social distancing rules

    Police arrived at Pueblo Del Rio public housing project in LA purportedly to help enforce social distancing rules

    They were met by residents brandishing water guns who proceeded to spray them while yelling insults and telling them to leave

    After a few seconds, the two officers got back in their patrol car and took off

    Youths pelted patrol vehicle with water balloons and threw a bucket of water at an officer standing in the road

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8317085/Moment-LAPD-officers-chased-block-youths-water-guns.html

    • Replies: @bruce county
  131. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    Mister Robinson’s Neighborhood: Nutrition – SNL

    Mr. Robinson (Eddie Murphy) talks about how expensive groceries are for the woman he stole them from. Today’s word, “Nutrition,” leads to a discussion how to eat right on a budget. [Season 9, 1983]

  132. @Che Blutarsky

    “Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.”

    Displays of power is all they are. To add the quote from Dalrymple:
    “Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed.”

    • Agree: fatmanscoop
  133. Travis says:
    @Anonymous

    very true. It is quite obvious , going back to the Tawana Brawley media coverage 40 years ago, that the media cannot be trusted. Never will the media cover instances of Black on White crimes. 40 years of printing hate hoaxes and nevertheless the hoaxes still get most of the press while the actual crimes are ignored.

    yet the media is never held accountable for the lies they publish. They never admit getting the story wrong. The good whites love these stories of rednecks killing blacks. I suppose it makes them feel superior to working class whites or rural whites. The false narratives continue, this is what their readers want to see. They are desperate for evidence to demonstrate that Blacks face racism is America and racism is the reason they remain poor and over-represented in prisons. This is the narrative the leftists have been promoting since at least the 1940s. Blacks bad behavior is always blamed on whites. Blacks cannot be held accountable for their actions. Only whites can be blamed for the poor outcomes of Blacks. This is the foundation of all the hate hoax stories and the continuos coverage of Emmitt Till case 65 years after his death. The media promoted the Emmitt Till story 65 years ago to demonize all souther Whites. The media has been running this narrative for 75 years, that Whites are to Blame for Blacks failures, criminality and violence.

    Since it is almost impossible to find examples of such crimes, they must be manufactured by our elite media to keep the narrative going for another generation. It is the elite whites who have a vested interest in promoting these hoaxes, thus these media reports will not cease until the elites are replaced and the media is held accountable for their lies.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  134. @Not my economy

    The cops back down from making arrests all the time. White guys who resist don’t have any support from bystanders or a well funded grievance/patronage network

    It all depends where.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliven_Bundy

  135. @Anonymouse

    >Gerd Gigerenzer, David Guterson, Jonathan Franzen, Jonathan Haidt, Jordan Peterson

    An impressive list of names terminating in five writers unknown to me.The commenter’s point is that for things to change, something has to change which is true but not illuminating. Best not to wrap yourself in other people’s names.

    They’re all quite down to earth – nothing illuminating about them at all. I look at them rather as part of a quite old movement: The enlightenment (I could have mentioned Kant too…).

  136. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    The lesson black folks collectively cannot learn:

    If you are frustrated with being treated as a negative black stereotype, don’t ACT like a negative black stereotype:

    https://wreg.com/news/holly-springs-memphis-police-respond-to-crash-in-airport-area/

    Oh, also, as an aside, quit preying on your own women, who have enough problems without your wretched passions, won’t you?

    https://wreg.com/news/police-memphis-man-charged-with-rape-after-he-was-caught-having-sex-with-teen/

  137. anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    It’s those kids changing the chips in their Japanese cars to make them run like something out of The Fast and The Furious…couple that with an exhaust system with insufficient back-pressure, and voila! you can always tell when the Boy Racer is approaching.

  138. res says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Thanks. The article (and comments) were paywalled for me.

  139. @Dr. X

    Anyone here remember Mr. Plaxico Burress, the NFL player for the Giants of gun-slipped-out-of-the-pants-in-gun-controlled-New-York-and-discharged-wounding-him-in-the-leg fame?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaxico_Burress

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
  140. res says:
    @James B. Shearer

    That is a good example. She was sentenced to ten years in prison.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Botham_Jean

  141. @Not my economy

    Actually, they’re right. The cops back down from making arrests all the time. White guys who resist don’t have any support from bystanders or a well funded grievance/patronage network. So yeah, you, you’re getting arrested, but for Eric Garner, it’s not a given. Who do you think has seen more interaction with the cops? Him or a right wing internet commenter?

    This has been my surmise for a while – that blacks don’t view police apprehension as a definite arrest because they have the experience of evading arrest and cops acquiescing (either as a consequence of cops favoring self-preservation, etc.). So in any given situation there’s a significant chance that resisting and evading the arrest could work out with an escape and having gotten away with whatever it was that the cop was investigating. The calculus in favor of resisting increases even more when there are open warrants or where the arrest would constitute a probation or parole violation.

    Every so often they run into a cop who won’t acquiesce, or the struggle escalates into a zero-sum self-defense situation for the cop (i.e., struggle for control of the cop’s duty weapon) and that unlucky black guy gets shot in the process.

    But the prospect of getting out of any given arrest is good enough that they’re going to try it.

  142. @Bill P

    Thanks!
    But –

    Steinmeier should know that and stop putting on airs and improperly acting sanctimonious in a way that will offend both parties while satisfying neither. In other words, if he isn’t a rabbi, he should shut up about this stuff, because nobody is buying it.

    President Steinmeier had been widely acclaimed for his speech last week – and the applause is still going on – throughout the whole country and about 95% of the media. Yours truly was for days the only German who did publicly notice what Steinmeier had done from a theological standpoint. – All official reactions from Jewish and Christian representatives were nothing but positive.

    As an aside:

    There is a quite interesting German historian – I knew him because we both studied for a while humanities in Konstanz – Rolf Peter Sieferle. Sieferle wrote an essay of eighty pages, titled Finis Germania (some of it is translated in English and on the net, if in dark corners), about three years ago. Now, in it, he foresaw, what Steinmeier has done now. Rolf Peter Sieferle said in Finis Germania, there is no religion left in Germany except the historical German guilt (he has a few points to illustrate this, but I’ve mentioned Sieferle’s core points above already – about Steinmeier – as I said: This is all a bit spooky…).

    PPS

    Steinmeier, when young, was a mildly radical leftist and worked for a while for Pahl-Rugenstein publishing. We know now, after the Stasi-papers became public, that Pahl-Rugenstein was in large parts financed by East Germany in order to secure the success of the Marxist world-revolution in the West. Did Steinmeier ever have problems with this past? – Not the least little bit.

    That is something a bit spooky around here: Guilt seems something, which does not exist anymore for the left. – That’s just another aspect of the “regressive left” (Dave Rubin) now.

    • Replies: @Bill P
  143. Truth says:

    Well now Steve, I think we both well know that Avery changed his name to Arbery because the latter adds up to 33 in Pythagorean numerology. This is significant because the gnostics (“G” being the 33 letter) want to let you know what they are doing before the do it. Of course if you go through life as a sheep it makes no difference.

    Also it makes the mockery sweeter to you folk’s fine slavemasters as Ahmaud Avery is not a homonym for “Armed Robbery”, although the A.A hits subconscious triggers in your minds to think of “African-American” or “Afirmative Action”. All a coincidence, I know.

    You see, they get a little bored of writing these Hollywood productions in which some stupid white moron pretends to kill some black, minor ne’er do-well (no one died, they are probably drinking together now), so they ramp up the mockery to the level that Stevie Wonder could see it. But then of course, he hasn’t been blind since the 70’s, if he ever was at all…

  144. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    That lying bastard would know.

    • Agree: donut
  145. @TomSchmidt

    Tamir Rice. 12 year old playing with a toy gun. The cops show up and blow him away no more than 2 seconds after their car stops. Thankfully, that cop was fired.

    How likely would you be to gamble your life on the prospect that these are only toy guns? That the kid who looks older than twelve is really only twelve?

    I don’t know that if the standard is that law enforcement officers must have absolutely no regard for their own lives and safety that you’re going to have many remaining. It’s a vocation, but it’s also a job that people take to support their families. Given a choice, the overwhelming majority of people are going to err on the side of supporting their families by other means over recklessly exposing themselves to maiming and death.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @TomSchmidt
  146. Truth says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Now it is clear that Brady is just a white idiot jock with a hot wife

    Minor adjustment; hot husband (if that’s your thing).

    • Replies: @fish
  147. @Anon

    The longer I live, the more I think a hot war is inevitable. The values of coastal liberals are so different from those in the interior of this country that we can no longer be reconciled. We’re two different countries with a shared economy, and that’s all.

    Given the Appalachians in the east, and the Rockies in the west, perhaps the continental territory might most naturally divide into a west-of-the-Rockies section, an east-of-the-Appalachians section, and then the middle bit in between (the Red States). The middle part would be a bit like the Louisiana Purchase section basically.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Flip
  148. Truth says:
    @Alden

    We can try to inform a brother son nephew with a civil Engineering degree and 5 years experience as a project manager for a big construction firm that the reason he hasn’t been able to get a new job is because he’s a White man.

    Because there are so many black civil engineers out there?

    https://datausa.io/profile/soc/civil-engineers#demographics

    Oh lookie here, it seems that according to US News, the unemployment rate for C.Es is 0.9%

    https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/civil-engineer

    OK Aldey, taking a firm look at the evidence, a logical and intelligent man would conclude that the reason your nephew is unable to procure better employment is that, in some way or another, he sux.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  149. bro3886 says:

    But it is remarkable how out of touch the national media is that they so frequently put all their chips on bad actors.

    A screed taken off 4-chan or some such place (H/T Heartiste on Gab):

    “Nothing about the world we live in will ever make sense to you unless you understand you live under an occupation and are thus subject to the rules of the occupiers. If you do not start from there, you will search for multiple explanations and rationalizations that will lead you to ineffective ends. You are not an active participant in politics and public debate, you are it’s problem. Public debate is debating why you’re the problem, politics is about dealing with that problem. The opposition in debate simply offers an alternative path to your destruction, the end goal is never resisted. We cannot seek to influence the debate or enter politics we can only hope to smash it.

    Your humiliation is the enemies goal. To take a hit and fight on is honorable to take a beating every day is just sad. Humiliation robs you of your humanity, your will, your reason to fight on. Humiliation takes everything from you and debases it in front of all, it robs you of being worthy of empathy. It has been used by every occupier in history, it is our natural primal understanding of defeat. The Ottoman practice of köçek was an ultimate example, similar to the concept of “Drag Kids” in modern America. Köçeks were a combination of dancers, clowns and prostitutes, they were young non-Muslim boys taken from their parents and trained to be willful sexual objects and entertainers for the Turks
    The goal was to have the occupied think “If we allow that to be done to our boys what else can they do?” The answer is anything. It is full spectrum domination of the conquered’s mind.

    Your enemy doesn’t want gay pride parades in your street, drag queens in your adverts, your son transgender, your parents dead from opioids, your daughter race mixing, your meat replaced with bugs all while your media laughs at you because they think it’s for anyone’s benefit. They want it because they know you don’t want it but can’t stop them, they want to humiliate you. There isn’t any other reason.”

    Supporting bad actors is a feature, a message that even non-white criminals are more valued to the system than you, particularly those criminals who victimize whites. If they’ll defend Omar Thornton, Anthony Ferrill, and Islamic terrorists, there’s really no bottom to their hate for you and no limits on their desire for your complete enslavement and destruction. That they have the power to lionize your rapists and murderers emphasizes your meek subservience.

  150. bomag says:
    @Change that Matters

    Such articles make more sense when “diversity” is read as “replacement”.

  151. @Anonymous

    Sooner or later a thread on a shooting devolves into gun-geek talk about ammunition and its effects.

    I guy in a social organization I belong to has an NRA sticker on his Jeep, and I asked him if we wanted to discuss “the assault rifle question.”

    My friend looking worried I was going to get all lefty gun-grabby political. After a standup-comic’s pause I want on to say, “Direct impingement or gas piston?”

    He gave me a what-in-the-heck-you-are-talking-about-look. If I have to explain this joke, a person doesn’t have proper gun-geek credentials.

    Back to our regular programming, you found a rifle load that shoots very quiet? I have a “critters and varmints” situation on a rural property. Does this carry far if you shoot up into a tree, or am I better off with a 20-gauge?

  152. fish says:
    @Truth

    Did you just come out by posting your preferred flavor of porn Troof?

  153. @Dieter Kief

    German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier did exactly this in a move with dreamlike precision last week in his pubic speech in Berlin to remember the last day of WW II – he said, explicitly, that with regard to the German history (= Hitler), forgiveness can no longer exist. – Then as I said already, in a move of dreamlike precision, he goes on, that the rabbinical metaphor of the broken-heart will have to take the place of forgiveness, for all Germans – forever.

    This is the liberal ‘Judeo-Christian’ religion – whites (or more specifically Germanic males) must exist in a permanent state of ethnic penance, to pay for their original sin.

  154. utu says:
    @Almost Missouri

    There was Marquez Avery in 2014 Football Roster:
    https://goarmywestpoint.com/sports/football/roster/marques-avery/5210
    who was from Pasco, Washington.

    b=v in Spanish pronunciation.

    Where did the r come from in Arvery?

    There was an impressive, aggressive and hard working French soccer player: Franck Ribéry

  155. Cross posting this here, too.

    2 weeks before Arbery attacked and tried to kill travis, Arbery threatened Travis with a weapon.

    This explains everything. The McMichaels are either going to be railroaded, or prepare yourself for a Cat5 what Al Sharpton referred to as a Negro Fit.

    https://www.insider.com/travis-gregory-mcmichael-confrontation-ahmaud-arbery-before-death-neighbor-says-2020-5

  156. Art Deco says:
    @Neoconned

    Why didn’t the guys call the cops to him instead of going all George Zimmerman?

    Once more with feeling. George Zimmerman called a non-emergency dispatcher to report a youth behaving suspiciously (who then began to behave even more suspiciously). He also attempted, unsuccessfully, to keep said youth in eyeshot. He never at any time chased him down, flashed a weapon at him, or voluntarily spoke to him. The youth in question shlepped 75 yards down and alleyway and attacked Zimmerman. Zimmerman was flat on his back getting pummeled before he pulled out his cheap pistol and shot TM.

  157. Whiskey says: • Website

    The Makarov is a preferred gang member gun. The gang banger that murdered Ennis Cosby execution style used one.

    Small. Cheap. Has a safety so it can be carried Mexican style no holster shoved in the pants.

    Arbery was almost certainly at that b ball game to shoot a rival.

    He was hard core gang member material. Which explains why the initial decision not to prosecute

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  158. @Buzz Mohawk

    Let the shutdown continue indefinitely for them. Ignore them. Now it is clear that Brady is just a white idiot jock with a hot wife — if that wasn’t already made clear by his refusal to gracefully retire.

    Hot wife?
    His wife looks like she was born a man. His wife has that mannish look – and build – that many models have. Brady’s ex was way more attractive.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  159. @Neoconned

    I’d say think about what you can do to change where you live. Sounds pretty sketchy to me, or at least try not to go for walks in a neighborhood that resembles Skid Row. Perhaps, there are parks where people jog ?

    But I get your point – he was on a public street just going about his business whatever it was. Then again, I get where those other dudes were coming from – maybe they wanted to keep their neighborhood safe and not have it degenerate into something resembling your neighborhood. That is a fine line and somebody crossed it somewhere, the jury will decide.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  160. Polynikes says:
    @Henry's Cat

    3)Arbery is said to have been an ‘aspiring electrician’ (which makes a nice change) but it’s unclear whether he’s been in any form of employment or education for the past 3-4 yeats.

    He was a real pull ’em by the boot straps fella’. Absent the money to attend real electrician school, he was sneaking in after hours into half built houses and teaching himself the trade and correcting the work-a-day schlubs mistakes for them. A real savant. Think Good Will Hunting, but instead of a janitor that does Fields Medal-level math he was a jogger who did residential wiring.

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
  161. Art Deco says:
    @Travis

    The media published stories about Brawley. IIRC, they were not framed so as to promote or debunk her claims. The thing is, just publishing the tripe coming out of the mouths of Alton Mattox and Vernon Mason was enough to discredit them and one of Al Sharpton’s staff resigned during the fiasco and went public, revealing that Sharpton knew all along her claims were hooey. That story was published too.

  162. Bill P says:
    @Dieter Kief

    I responded because this topic of redemption has been on my mind for a while now, and not because of Germany, but because of what’s going on culturally in the US. I don’t know whether you’ve noticed from Germany, but people don’t apologize anymore in the US. When I first noticed this, I thought it must be because people now take it as a sign of weakness and then go in for the kill. This is in fact true, but people only behave that way because so many have lost the Christian sense of redemption. What good is an apology if there can be no expiation of sin?

    If doing wrong means someone is marked forever, then why should he admit to doing wrong in the first place? Why should he even admit it to himself? It would just invite eternal condemnation.

    Ultimately, that’s where this is going. Eventually we’ll all be defensive, self-righteous jerks. Not a pretty picture.

    I’m not sure what’s going on in Germany, but it seems to me that German elites have developed this reflexive habit of offering up false pieties while shrewdly looking after their own interests. It’s a sort of empty, ritual atonement that lacks sincerity but is celebrated for its social and political utility. Perhaps that’s what is really behind the praise: his speech was like a masterful performance of a rain dance on behalf of the German Burgher class.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  163. @Bardon Kaldian

    Freud didn’t know Hebrew or Yiddish

    While this was the stated position of Freud and his hagiographers ,Jones, Gay etc., the aforementioned tomes make the compelling case that it wasn’t true.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Anonymous
  164. @JimDandy

    He TOLD the cop he had a gun. Cop shot him anyway. That case was very bad. Problem was it wasn’t whitey who got trigger-happy.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  165. vhrm says:
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    Something similar seems to happen among white liberals. They watch morality plays like “To Kill a Mockingbird” and are imprinted with the vision of Atticus Finch bravely defending the downtrodden Negroes against vile white racists. It’s no wonder that TKAM is required reading in all U.S. high schools and has been for 50 years.

    I’m not so sure. When i read TKAM in highschool i was a of yet unaware of modern race politics and what I took away from it was defense of rationalism and individualism etc.

    That you’re innocent until proven guilty and that you should have a lawyer who defends you against the mob mentality is in the Constitution and predates the race issues.

    Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Crump, BLM etc suck partly because their support of ridiculous claims clouds legitimate concerns about police use of force and policing in general.

    OTOH, since society cares more about black and brown Injustice issues all the false BS has probably caused more reform than the real discussion…

    Same as how electrified cars and renewable energy are really cool from a tech point of view and I’m glad they’re in the mix.
    But… nothing’s done more to advance them than global warming alarmism which is a huge mass of misinformation and exaggeration.

  166. Anon[966] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m even starting to question the ‘hot wife’ part. Have you seen that jaw line?

    I find my taste in women changing since World War T. I used to have no problem with tomboys and gamine women, but now any slight hint of facial traits that overlap too much with male facial traits really turns me off. Now I tend to prefer far-tail feminine traits that are beyond the current ability of “facial feminization” surgeons to create. On the one hand, that eliminates most black women, given the minimal facial sexual dimorphism among blacks, and it also makes Asian women a little creepy for the opposte reason, since a large percentage of Asian males could pass as female if made up right. Among whites however, half of men could never be made to pass as women, and half of women could never have been men. (The juvinile puberty blocker trend may change that eventually.)

  167. @Jake

    “Kevin MacDonald’s work will mean little in the kulturkampf unless he converts to either Latin Mass Catholicism or to Eastern Orthodoxy and reconfigures his ideas from Darwinian evolution to historic Christendom.”

    In other words, the homosexuals will save civilization again? “Latin Mass Catholicism” is the hottest cruising spot in the country!

    “Most of the Catholic hierarchy in his country– the cardinals, the bishops– are homosexual: Cardinal Wakefield Baum of Washington, recently deceased, lived for many years with his personal assistant– a classic of the genre. Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, former Archbishop of Washington, was also a practising homosexual: he was well- known for his ‘sleeping arrangements’ with seminarians and young priests whom he called his ‘nephews’ (finally accused of sexual abuse, he was forbidden to hold public office by the pope in 2018). Archbishop Rembert Weakland was ‘outed’ by a former boyfriend (he has since described his journey as a homophile in his memoirs). One American cardinal has been banned from the Vatican and sent back to the United States for his improper conduct with a Swiss Guard. Another American cardinal, the bishop of a large city in the United States, ‘has lived for years with his boyfriend, a former priest’, while an archbishop of another city, a devotee of the Latin mass and a man much given to cruising, ‘lives surrounded by a flock of young seminarians’, a fact confirmed to me by Robert Carl Mickens, an American Vaticanologist familiar with the gay lifestyle of the senior Catholic hierarchy in the United States. The Archbishop of St Paul and Minneapolis, John Clayton Nienstedt, is also a homophile, and was investigated by his Archdiocese in connection with allegations that he had inappropriate sexual contact with adult men (allegations he categorically denies). He subsequently resigned when criminal charges were brought against the Archdiocese concerning its handling of allegations of inappropriate behaviour by a priest who was later convicted of molesting two boys; another resignation that was accepted by Pope Francis.”

  168. @SafeNow

    Speaking of cops in schools, the cop in Broward County who hid behind his cruiser while the high school was being shot up just go his job back with all back pay and benefits courtesy of his union.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/373031/

  169. J.Ross says:
    @Mr McKenna

    This is not only the biggest scandal in American history and a criminally memory-holed news story, but is finally taking on a form comprehensible to normies, thanks to law school graduates and top spies leaving lots and lots of fingerprints everywhere. The arrogance of power indeed.
    NYT does have an old timeline which allows people to see that the unanimously clamored-for unmasking preceded the Kislyak calls by a month.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/14/us/politics/flynn-call-russia-timeline.html

  170. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Steve Richter

    You’re right. Nothing is ever explained. It just goes on and on. It’s conspiratorial turtles all the way down.
    You’re like a raver who doesn’t want to quit. Dude, the sun is coming up. Go home. Get some rest. You’re starting to babble.

  171. @Jake

    How could MacDonald “convert” to any religion, considering that evolutionary psychology is his central world view? This is like asking a whore to become a nun.

    Also, I prefer Catholic Christianity to any other living religion & denomination (other variants of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, ..) mainly because of cultural, historical & aesthetic reasons: Catholics (high culture, not low superstition) are to others what Porsche is to Trabant.

    Just, I fail to see why any orthodox religious interpretation should be taken literally.

    After having created all those multiverses, matter, anti-matter, galaxies, galactic clusters, stars, quasars, red dwarfs, black holes….. God turned His attention to a shitty planet of a shitty solar system in a shitty part of a shitty galaxy. And with His almighty wisdom, He then focused on a shitty strip of land on that planet & became increasingly worried about some two-legged groups of morons, actually evolved apes, who had been wandering around that shitty piece of land- and proclaimed He had a special interest in well-being & future of those evolved apes- who, by the way, constituted a negligible fraction of all evolved apes.

    From Big Bang, multiverse, hyper-dimensional ….. to a shitty strip of land. Not a progress for God, definitely not …

    Or, in Twain’s words:

    Strange, because they are so frankly and hysterically insane–like all dreams: a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice and invented hell–mouths mercy and invented hell–mouths Golden Rules, and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man’s acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him!…

    • Replies: @HA
    , @RSDB
  172. J.Ross says:
    @Neoconned

    Zero in on this: the genius decided to try to steal a man’s shotgun, while the man was holding the shotgun. Create a vivid mental image of this decision and reflect on it. Breathe in the three-dimensionality of the image of this decision.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    , @Neoconned
  173. Muggles says:

    As to the actual subject of today’s essay here, I have noticed in reading accounts of arrested suspects and stories of many later convicted, of various races (so far as one can tell) it is fairly common for people with criminal histories to alter their names upon arrest.

    “Arbrey” or “Avery” here wasn’t carrying a drivers license with him while “jogging” was he? So as Steve indicates it is unclear how the name change occurred. Suspects with experience in the system either hear about the name alteration or alternatively, sometimes use their middle names as first names. Few suspects appear to carry official ID, credit cards, etc. which have legal full names. Other than some DWI suspects.

    I have read various accounts of suspects arrested for fairly minor things, get released on small bail or no bail, even though they are wanted under warrants for major crimes. The reason? Their booking arrest form has a variation or incomplete name different from the prior correct name on the paperwork. Hence when it is looked up for priors or wants, no match. Get out of jail free. Absent needing legal ID, name spellings or even false names can be quite handy for crooks and scam artists. Snitches will use the “street name” to cops since they often don’t know legal names.

    Would be good to know what is the case here. The “criminal element” acts to confuse The Man.

    Also should be noted: killing suspects by cops or citizens who act like them is too often done in haste. Police never shoot to wound (say, hitting an obviously crazy person in the knee) for some reason. Dead men tell no tales. Too many police are poorly trained or just cowardly (like the FL cop at the school shooting who just ran off). Young black males scare all cops, regardless of race.

    Collectively black people internalize every act as racism. Only the smarter or wiser ones also internalize the need to act very carefully around police. Lower class whites, especially males have the same belligerent attitude. Of course many suspects are high or drunk also. Police encounters are always potentially deadly. Schools should teach that. Law enforcement propaganda doesn’t.

  174. GermanReader2 [AKA "GermanReader2_new"] says:
    @Art Deco

    One finding of Chetty’s research is that black boys from the TOP ONE PERCENT are about as likely to go to jail as white boys from the lower middle class (30th percent of household earnings)

  175. J.Ross says:
    @Steve Richter

    The FBI’s fake case was not concerned with the (self-explanatory) reason for the conversations, the case in its entirety was that Flynn had attempted to deceive the FBI.

  176. Coemgen says:
    @Steve Richter

    Forget the “coulds.”

    Focus on the “dids.”

    Obama’s bureaucracy (FBI et al.) did run a counter-intelligence investigation against the Trump Campaign.

    Holdovers from Obama’s bureaucracy did run a Special Counsel investigation against the Trump Administration.

    Democrats in Congress did impeach Trump for what Joe Biden did in Ukraine (aside, when Trump, many years ago, mentioned that when you are a star you can grab them by the pussy, was he thinking of Joe Biden when Biden did grab Tara Reade by the pussy?).

  177. @Anonymous

    Jesus Christ… Like entering a cage at the zoo. Unreal. Oh.. wait..

  178. @Hamlet's Ghost

    Something similar seems to happen among white liberals. They watch morality plays like “To Kill a Mockingbird” and are imprinted with the vision of Atticus Finch bravely defending the downtrodden Negroes against vile white racists. It’s no wonder that TKAM is required reading in all U.S. high schools and has been for 50 years.

    Well said. Public school curriculum is getting increasingly politicized. LGBT instruction now floods a good deal of public education in America. But even back in the late sixties (when I attended high school) leftist seeds had already been planted.

    Two tendentious films I was force fed in NY state around 1968 were: 1) ‘Inherit the Wind’, a thoroughly condescending look at rural America via the Scopes ‘Monkey Trial’. This Hollywood yarn ended up putting Christianity on trial, even though ‘creationism’ (as understood by Christians) comes exclusively from the Old Testament.

    At its close, ‘Inherit the Wind’ pretended to balance religious faith with science. But a decade or more after this film was shot, a gag order was issued by the SCOTUS that effectively prohibited all ‘discussion’ of religion in public schools.

    The other movie I shall never forget seeing in my classroom is ‘Night and Fog’. When I first saw this documentary, the word ‘Holocaust’ was not yet in political circulation. Since then, it’s somehow become the most important chapter of WWII.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  179. J1234 says:

    it is remarkable how out of touch the national media is that they so frequently put all their chips on bad actors.

    The media believes that all saints (like every other category within humanity) are created equal, so the idea that many young black male shooting victims aren’t as saintly (i.e., criminal record free) as those in the media themselves were when they were young is a hard pill to swallow. They keep hoping that one of these guys turns out to be Theo Huxtable, but it hasn’t happened yet.

    Many of these cases seem to have another similar theme: the initial news stories in the cycle strongly insinuate a “wrong guy” narrative. The first stories in this case implied that the two white guys shot the wrong guy. I think what really happened is that there were different trespassing/theft incidents, and this guy wasn’t the same guy in some of the previous incidents, but that fact was stated in a way that lead readers to believe that Arbery hadn’t been trespassing. It was a bit of a surprise when video later surfaced of Arbery actually trespassing on the construction site.

    Nevertheless, standing by your pickup truck with a shotgun and making citizen’s arrests is a pretty damn stupid idea. Almost as stupid as attacking someone who’s standing by their pickup with a shotgun making citizen’s arrests.

  180. @kaganovitch

    I cannot say whether this is true or not- I said I hadn’t read them. Just, I’ve seen that many “discoveries” of such kind turned out to be fake, for instance linking Freud to Kabbalah (complete failure):

    Considering texts like this one: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1024880217187, it seems to me that Jews are trying to make Freud more Jewy & less atrociously German (which is, frankly, psychologically understandable. Just, it doesn’t make it true).

    So, until solid academic consensus on the matter is reached, I remain unconvinced.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  181. Travis says:
    @Steve Richter

    Flynn’s own lawyers were part of the deep state. They advised him to take the plea. The FBI was going to charge him and his son with other crimes , so he took the deal to save millions in legal fees and avoid seeing his son incarcerated. If the FBI wants to arrest you and is willing to lie, fabricate evidence and hide any use the media to target you, they will always win. Flynn was smart to take the plea to avoid this. His corrupt lawyers told him he would avoid jail and save his family from further prosecutions. Flynn trusted the system and trusted the FBI and made the mistake of talking with corrupt agents who set a trap for him.

    Not too complicated , many men would take such a plea to prevent their children from facing incarceration and millions of dollars in lawyers fees. The FBI was using its full might against the Flynn Family. Trump had other bigger things to worry about , as the deep state and members of his own administration were trying to remove hime from office.

    • Agree: dcthrowback
  182. @Buzz Mohawk

    My favorite evaluation of Tom Brady is Bill Simmons’: only son with four sisters in the house for his entire life to age 18. The man has probably consumed three-four life’s supply of medicinal testosterone.

    (It is still impossible to hate a sixth round draft choice with his accomplishments.)

  183. Art Deco says:
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    The character Atticus Finch was very much a local establishmentarian in the narrative and was left in peace by everyone in town but the local lumpenproletarian he’d humiliated at trial. The white knights in the narrative, which included to one degree or another the local circuit judge, the sheriff, the newspaper editor &c aren’t racial egalitarians but paternalists meticulous about rules and procedures.

  184. @Steve Richter

    The reports certainly don’t explain why the FBI, who were legally monitoring the talks between Kislyak and Flynn, didn’t ever use that evidence in court.

    One would think that the FBI and DoJ directly having Flynn saying/doing something criminal on tape would be a slam dunk case. Easy peasy. I mean, most cops on earth dream about easy scenarios like that. They never had to interview Flynn, just arrest him.

    But that call info was never used as evidence because nothing criminal did happen. That is not my opinion: that was the opinion of the FBI at the time. And still is.

    Flynn was asked very specific details of a call roughly a month old. The call was very specifically transition team related; Flynn of course never denied that. Whether he got every detail right on purpose or not is immaterial. And any false statements have to be material for it to be a crime.
    He folded because he had a bad defense, was sloppy, and out of cash.

    Flynn got fired because he briefed the VP one way on the call, the VP went on TV news and said so, parts of the classified call were then leaked to the media — a felony never punished so far – making the VP look like a liar.

  185. Spangel says:
    @Bleuteaux

    Unfortunately, I think this only indicates that Steve can notice while being paranoid about the pandemic.

  186. Jack D says:
    @ben tillman

    They have presented Judaism as morally superior to European civilization

    Who? Where? How? Almost all modern intellectuals of Jewish background expressly reject traditional Judaism and declare their atheism. If Judaism is morally superior then why don’t they practice it?

    and European civilization as morally bankrupt

    After the trenches of the Somme, after the gas chambers of Auschwitz, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist (sending unguided missiles onto the heads of civilians) to consider European civilization (at least parts of it) as morally bankrupt. How high does the pile of corpses have to be before you can declare a civilization to be morally bankrupt?

    and the proper target of altruistic punishment.

    Does this really exist? This reminds me of the old interview question about what your biggest flaw is and you are supposed to say you tend to work too hard. Per McDonald, the flaw of the Jews is that they trick other races and the flaw of Christians is that they are too altruistic. Give me a break.

  187. utu says:
    @Steve Richter

    Isn’t that the real reason Flynn talked to Ambassador Kislyak was at the behest of Netanyahu who wanted Russia to squash the anti-Israel UN resolution that Obama was planning not to veto as his parting anti-Netanyahu shot? Flynn had enemies in CIA and Obama administration. When Flynn was the director of DIA and Gen. Dempsey was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff DIA kept open channels with Syria’s Assad via Moscow and Tel Aviv and sabotaged weapon shipments to Syrian ‘freedom fighters’ that were procured by CIA.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  188. @lysias

    ly, Spelling doesn’t count in a certain community. I’m pretty sure it’s pronounced…”Ah man”, as in “Ah man I wusn’t doin nothing.” You’re welcome.

  189. @Neoconned

    I’m playing devil’s advocate here but seriously…does having a record justify killing the guy? Did he commit a crime against the two who killed him?

    Or did two fools with shotguns shoot s mistaken man? Didn’t they accuse him of burglary?

    There’s a lot you can not see from the video, but the one thing that is clear is they didn’t just shoot the guy. Arbery rushed or attacked Travis McMichael who was holding a shotgun. I haven’t delved into it, but i did read one of the shots is through his hand as if he had grabbed the end of the barrel.

    These guys might have been in the wrong, or simply ill-advised to do what they did to try and keep Arbery from running off before the cops arrived. (In 20-20 hindsight–obviously.) But the actual shooting that happened–not some fantasy about rednecks trying to lynch an innocent black man–seems pretty clearly to result from Arbery attacking Travis McMichael and scuffling with him while he’s holding a shotgun. Unwise.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    , @vhrm
  190. utu says:
    @Neoconned

    Obviously you are correct. The right again let itself to be lured into a trap where it keeps squandering whatever little credibility it has left. The killing of the black guy should be uniformly condemned w/o any hints of whataboutism. The right keeps forgetting that its primary enemy is media and blacks are just a tool used by them because the right can be so easily triggered and misdirected.

    Steve Sailer’s tack is correct: look at race motivated murders and try to implicate media that by focusing one sidedly on interracial crimes they are contributing to racial revenge killings by blacks (in this instance). Steve Sailer’s tack is an offensive move instead of the defensive looserish whataboutism. The hypothesis that the old couple on the cemetery was murdered in the racist revenge killing should be forcefully promoted.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  191. @Grumpy

    Grumpy, The Buffalo Common Council decided to change the name of a small island in the Niagara river from Squaw Island to Unity Island. This was done because some one said “Squaw” meant vagina in Mohawk, or some other Iroquois tongue. I have worked with at least a 100 indians and I never heard that. I heard outstanding NA men, who never swore, say “I wonder what my squaw is making for dinner?” Never, ever would they have called their wife a vagina.

  192. utu says:
    @Jake

    If Kevin MacDonald brings ire of the windbag poseur Bardon Kaldian he can’t be all wrong.

  193. Dumbo says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, I think KMC might be right in the first part of the equation (Many Jewish-led movements seem to want to tear down European civilization) but incorrect in the second. I don’t think that they present Judaism as “morally superior”, if they talk about Judaism at all, as most are atheist.

    They do however eulogize Jewishness, just think of most American sitcoms, lots of Jewish habits, characters and words filtering through, things that most people wouldn’t even know if most TV shows weren’t written by Jews.

    It is also true that European civilization was “morally bankrupt” and decadent at least since the late 19th century, or perhaps from the French Revolution. With or without Jewish help.

    the flaw of Christians is that they are too altruistic.

    The flaw of Christians (mostly Protestants) but which could also apply to all White people regardless of religion (as most are now secular) is not altruism, but vanity.

    Virtue-signaling is not altruism. It’s vanity.

  194. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Alec, Three of my children were living in the Cleveland area when Tamir Rice was shot and killed. I did and still read the Plains Dealer (Cleveland.com) everyday. The patrol car slid to a stop, the cop exited the car, weapon drawn and fired. Tamir’s realistic looking toy gun was not in his hand. I agree with Tom.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  195. So many holes in the “just a jogger” narrative.

    If he was jogging all the way from Brunswick to Satilla Shores, there is a lot of opportunity for being caught on security cameras. Getting from Brunswick to Satilla Shores and back is a highly visible round trip. Show us.

    The mob says he was “just a jogger”; the other possibility was that he was scoping out the neighborhood disguised as a jogger.

    I already know about the McMichaels. I want to know more about the last day of Arbery.

  196. @AnotherDad

    “… Unwise.”

    Many victims have done something unwise.

    Anyway Arbery was shot three times which appears to me to mean that he had already been shot once (off camera) before the final sequence. Which might tend to impair your judgement.

    • Replies: @jon
  197. @James B. Shearer

    Agreed, and add to that Atatania Jefferson. Remarkably, the media did not make nearly as big a deal about either of those cases as about e.g. Trayvon and Ahmaud. It’s not coincidence that they sanctify bad guys, and it’s not even that there’s a total lack of real outrages. The point is to humiliate the enemy (badwhites) by proving they have no ability to speak truth even when confronting obvious absurdity. Same goes for all hate hoaxes, constantly-shifting PC terminology, etc. The salient fact of Noticing isn’t that we’ve gotten bad at it; it’s that the capacity has been punished out of us. File under Orwellian dominance displays.

  198. @Jack D

    you don’t have to be a rocket scientist (sending unguided missiles onto the heads of civilians) to consider European civilization (at least parts of it) as morally bankrupt

    This one was in my head for at least two weeks now.

    I’m often attacked by well-meaning mathematicians and other hard sciences folks who ask me to stop inquiring into such things as beahvioral biologically caused differences. then I find myself thinking what I quoted above from your post. – A conundrum. An existential thread/t which is unavoidable unless we’d forsake scientific progress altogether? – Something like this. So – this would have been a no-brainer for Lao Dsi – he would have clearly spoken against scientific progress. As would have the Stoics, I – guess. Maybe some romantics too, but – Novalis, the propagator of the universal search for the emblematic Blue Flower – was indeed a mining engineer.
    Heidegger clearly was on this track to make an equation that looks like this: Progress = tragedy (= a developing need for a god (fill in: a NEW – soon arriving? – god…(if this does not sound – too Jewish …). Gadamer rejected all those speculations about modernity as something which is inherently longing for transcendental redemption. – – – Now think of : Georg Lukàcs – and his transcendental rooflessness – and of Adorno and – – – – Wittgenstein: The real question will arise after the scientific ones have been solved (or – forgotten – – – -that would be the Beats tragic happiness – – – – their defiant and blue triumphalist Even Though. – His coat is torn and frayed/ It’s seen much better days / But as long as the guitar plays /

    I: Let it steal your heart away :I

    Jagger / Richards, Torn & Frayed // EXILE ON MAIN STREET (with great cover photos from Swiss man Robert Frank.

  199. @TomSchmidt

    Re Orwell: he was wrong. Or, better: right about lower operative levels.

    Torturers, sadists & similar guys simply enjoy in the exercise of power, domination etc. But, for highest rulers, from Lenin to Mao, power is only a means to an end. They (Lenin, Hitler, Stalin,…) sincerely believe they are right; that their works are for the greater good of mankind; and that they are, basically, the good guys.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  200. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I guess it’s the difference between police officers who control a situation with command, and those who use force. The latter have certainly grown as police have been altered over the years; physically smaller women and mentally less-in-command men (respect mah authoritah being the popular mocking of them) have grown as a percentage of the force; they’re really, as you suggest, clerks with guns. The former are fully deserving of the hero’s funeral when killed in the line of duty; I’ve known a number of them for whom the opportunity to serve by maintaining order far exceeds the pension and other benefits.

    The job has risks. It’s not what David Graeber would call a bullshit job: it’s performing a needed service, and it’s generally not underpaid, at least in the Northeast.

  201. J.Ross says:

    NYC Health Commissioner to NYPD request for masks: “I don’t give two rats’ asses about your cops.”
    Is this another visibly insane tranny doctor like in Pennsylvania? Name is Oxiris barbot. That sounds like the name of a deepwater Atlantic fish.
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/13/nyc-health-commissioner-wouldnt-supply-nypd-with-masks/

    After being rejected by Barbot, NYPD officials discovered that the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene had been storing masks, ventilators and other medical equipment stored in a New Jersey warehouse, sources told the Post. So department officials took the matter to City Hall and were able to get their hands on 250,000 surgical masks.

    Mista Jeffries, all of the stereotypes, they pile up in NYC today.

    • Replies: @res
  202. @Bill P

    I know a friend of Frank-Walter Steinmeier. And I know quite a few of his kind from up close. – He does believe what he is saying. It feels at times as if the spiritual gap that has opened since Christianity is slowly but steadily – evaporating – created a new, secular religion: The religion of institutional and historical guilt.
    There are for sure lots of people who don’t care for these deeper sides of this problem, but there are also lots who – are true believers in something that feels at times like – the new cult.

    (I pretty much agree of course with your observations and thoughts about the consequences of this ongoing secularization in everyday life – it’s the same here).

    • Replies: @Bill P
    , @Hugo Silva
  203. J.Ross says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    It sure is good for the prison planet globalists that these lying BLM procedural-saboteurs showed up to muddy the waters of what should be a straightforward issue with legitimate claims.

  204. Was Ahmaud Arbery Formerly Ahmaud Avery?

    Cops write down people’s names wrong all the time, and if the person arrested speaks with an uneducated Georgia accent, probably even more so. Clarence Thomas has said that one of the reasons why he rarely speaks in the Supreme Court is that people used to mock him for his accent and he apparently never got over it until old age.

    I am noticing that it is becoming increasingly common for even journalists to spell a word like “brakes” as in slam on the brakes as “breaks” even though the word is posted along every highway.

    Mechanics, on the other hand, never seem to have a problem spelling the word.

    So lets give the cops a brake.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  205. @Jack D

    After the trenches of the Somme, after the gas chambers of Auschwitz, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist (sending unguided missiles onto the heads of civilians) to consider European civilization (at least parts of it) as morally bankrupt. How high does the pile of corpses have to be before you can declare a civilization to be morally bankrupt?

    This is a silly argument. Mass murder and genocide is a fact of human nature. What made WWI and WWII different is the use of industrial means to deliver both. It’s merely a difference in scale rather than kind owing to the Europeans’ superior scientific knowledge and technological know-how.

    I challenge you to name the civilization which with the benefit of industrial technology wouldn’t have done the same or worse.

    We know the Maori, but the Moriori are extinct.

  206. Off the top of my head, Philando Castile of Minnesota seems like a workingman who had held the same job for 13 years when he was killed by that diversity hire Hispanic cop.

    Hired by one suburb and rented by another. I lived across the street from Falcon Heights for years. The major quality-of-life issues are State Fair traffic and parking violations, and the aroma of fertilizer wafting over during planting season at the university’s experimental farms.

    In other words, the cop was bored to tears.

    As for “workingman”, he was a cook at a public magnet school using Montessori principles. Where “proletarian” and “hipster” meet. Our son attended for a time, and it is weird to be only a degree or two of separation from “national news”.

    He’d had a lot of minor brushes with the law over driving without insurance and driving without a license, but his record was not so bad that he couldn’t get a license for a legal gun.

    The local gun groups were all ready to come to his defense until it came out that he was under the influence, thus violating the terms of his permit. Then their hands were tied. So, too, were those of those who defended Castile for more “correct” reasons.

    In Sanford, Fla., it was an encounter of two unnecessarily rude men. In Falcon Heights, it was a couple of incompetents.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  207. @PennTothal

    The “citizen’s arrest” laws are drawn narrowly for good reason, and these two men likely committed a crime in chasing, confronting, and killing Arbery, no matter how unsavory Arbery may have been.

    No account of his arrest at age 19 for having a gun on the grounds of a high school gives any idea of why he had that gun and what he was planning to do. His life story sounds very sketchy. No occupation, no girl friend, no kids? It would be interesting to know what income he had, or who was supporting him.

    It sounds like Arbery may have been a mentally ill person who spent a lot of his time running from place to place and that his family tolerated him as he was seen as harmless. Very likely his judgment was severely impaired.

    • Agree: Father O'Hara
    • Replies: @Whiskey
  208. @JimDandy

    He was reaching into his pants after the cop said over and over not to. Even after Castile tells him he has a concealed weapon the cop immediately says “ok don’t reach for it”

  209. vhrm says:
    @AnotherDad

    From the armed self-defense point of view this incident also demonstrates one of the dangers of having a gun / presenting a gun: now you’re forced to defend the gun.

    By the time you’re wrestling over your own gun the situation has gone to sh-t and you’ve failed to protect yourself, control the situation or whatever the objective was. In hindsight, in this situation the younger guy would’ve been better off unarmed or at least with a holstered gun.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Joe Stalin
  210. Why Was Ahmaud Arbery Formerly Ahmaud Avery?

    Or why is Ahmaud Avery now Ahmaud Arbery?

    One possible influence:

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
  211. JohnnyD says:

    They did find two good villains. Two White Southerners with shotguns–it’s like they hit the jackpot.

  212. @Jonathan Mason

    Also, in the US it is common for people to present a driver’s license as proof of identity, but it seems that this guy probably didn’t drive, so he may not have had paper ID and cops would have relied on a best estimate of his name based on a verbal account.

    When I worked in a prison, it was always important to identify inmates by their unique* Department of Corrections number as well as by name, for several reasons.

    a) inmates often had similar names

    b) inmates had poor enunciation and you could not tell what they were saying, especially if they had recently accidentally punched themselves in the mouth (as they claimed).

    c) even staff who knew the inmates quite well often could not spell or pronounce their names correctly

    d) inmates often looked like other with similar names and could change their appearance over time if they gained or lost weight, cut their hair differently or added new tattoos to their faces

    e) no one knew the correct pronunciation of names, or what the inmate preferred. For example, was the surname Villa pronounced to rhyme with killer or Maria?

    * Not completely unique, because old numbers could be recycled after the death of the previous owner of the number.

  213. @vhrm

    From the armed self-defense point of view this incident also demonstrates one of the dangers of having a gun / presenting a gun: now you’re forced to defend the gun.

    “A lawyer attached to every bullet” – How have instructors previously addressed this?

    There’s a lawyer attached to every bullet.

    Concealed Carry – The Lawyer Attached To Every Bullet

    Applies to birdshot, too.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  214. @utu

    Isn’t that the real reason Flynn talked to Ambassador Kislyak was at the behest of Netanyahu who wanted Russia to squash the anti-Israel UN resolution that Obama was planning not to veto as his parting anti-Netanyahu shot?

    No.

    • Replies: @utu
  215. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch

    Freud didn’t know Hebrew or Yiddish

    Re Hebrew – Freud was a provincial Jew on the make in modern, cosmopolitan Vienna and beyond. He had become versed in and genuinely admired Western and classical culture. Admitting to any connection to the “old-fashioned” alternative traditions of small-town Eastern Judaism would have undercut Freud’s self-presentation as the suave, cultured man of the world. Freud would have kept any knowledge of Hebrew on the DL.

    This goes double for Yiddish. Yiddish was viewed as the language of the uncultured, small-town Eastern Jew. Having received an excellent education in German, the arriviste provincial Freud would have studiously avoided any lapse into the unschooled Yiddish that his Galician parents probably spoke at least occasionally. In fact, it is not unlikely that Freud’s parents spoke mainly German at home for the sake of their children’s future. As a gentleman in Vienna, Freud had every reason to feign ignorance of Yiddish.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  216. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    At Vdare they have the prosecutors letter. Apparently the entire family was in and out of jail.

    Gang member. Slam dunk. Makarov = gang member.

  217. utu says:
    @Jack D

    “…you don’t have to be a rocket scientist (sending unguided missiles onto the heads of civilians) to consider European civilization (at least parts of it) as morally bankrupt…” – You have to have rocket scientists who develop the guided missile and then you are all right. Perhaps Israel should share its guided missile technology with Palestinians to uplift their civilization form the morally bankrupt territory.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  218. @Mr McKenna

    “to read the full story”
    Subscribe.

  219. @Steve Richter

    explain why Flynn did not simply tell the FBI that his talking to the Russian ambassador was for the purpose of preparing policy positions of new Trump admin?

    How do you know he didn’t? How do any of us know what he did and didn’t tell the FBI?

  220. Art Deco says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In Sanford, Fla., it was an encounter of two unnecessarily rude men.

    Again, no. Zimmerman called the non-emergency dispatcher about a youth behaving strangely and attempted to keep him in eye shot. He never willingly spoke to Martin at all. Martin wasn’t ‘rude’ to Zimmerman. He walked 75 yards up an alleyway and attacked him and was practicing his MMA moves on Zimmerman’s supine body.

  221. @Che Blutarsky

    The MSM “so frequently put all their chips on bad actors” because this is almost all they have to work with.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    , @Jack D
  222. OT –

    The child conceived by Melissa Etheridge’s lesbian ex “wife” and sperm donor David Crosby just died from a drug overdose. Sad.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8317457/Melissa-Etheridges-son-Beckett-dies-21.html

    Poor kid bore the tragic and ugly consequences of his guardians and biological parents psycho leftism.

    Sickening.

  223. @trickster

    He was just about to turn his life around!

  224. utu says:
    @Dieter Kief

    People are only too ready to sacrifice reason in the name of – justice (cf. Marx…), diversity ( Postmodernism – s. post No. 17 by commenter Change that Matters).

    Justice is not the opposite of diversity. The opposite of justice is liberty. More people lose reason because of their insistence on liberty than because of their insistence on justice. They are driven by selfishness and envy, respectively. Envy is just one of seven mortal sins while selfishness is the mother of all sins.

  225. @ben tillman

    And per usual little punishment.

  226. @Anonymous

    So long as even one white person misbehaves (out of a country of 340 million people) they can become fodder for international headlines showing how irredeemable white people are.

    So TPTB shouldn’t really have to make stuff up so often. But they do.

  227. @Alden

    But how to convince a White sports fan to get away from OFE sports I don’t know…

    *Obsolete Farm Equipment

    Introduce them to Contemporary Farm Equipment sports:


  228. Inverness says:
    @utu

    Justice is not the opposite of diversity.

    Maybe not yet, but it’s where we’re headed, and quickly.

  229. @Redneck farmer

    I read somewhere that Ian Fleming’s readers wrote him that a secret agent “with a license to kill” would carry a weapon with a heavier cartridge than a Beretta .25. So Fleming gave Bond a Walther PPK.

    • Replies: @res
  230. @utu

    I agree – diversity and justice are no natural opponents. But societal opponents they are, and not too seldom, unfortunately. That’s the whole point of Robert Putnam’s E Pluribus Unum essay. – And having named this caveat: I’d say, that you’re right about envy and selfishness too.

  231. @Reg Cæsar

    Like chamging one’s name from Mike to Nike? Burberry make shorts, don’t they?

  232. jon says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    Yeah, the Tamir Rice case was ridiculous, but it just didn’t seem to catch the public interest. I never understood that.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  233. @Anonymouse

    As always, begin at the end: Start with Peterson’s Biblical series of lectures. He unpacks it very well.

    Good listening while driving.
    Pretty much got me from Baltimore to Denver.

    https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/bible-series/

  234. Bill P says:
    @Dieter Kief

    It’s hard for me to believe these people are truly sincere. Are you sure it isn’t because these are politicians, and they have a prodigious talent for deception and affectation?

    I ask because there’s a similar guilt cult here in America, but it’s deeply tied to self-interest, and with few exceptions the only people who profess it are those who benefit from it in some way. It seems much more prevalent than it is, because it is enforced by media and academia, but it is very much a minority of whites who will agree with it in private.

    I have to wonder, if so many Germans truly feel this way, do they offer any rational basis for their beliefs? Do they feel that other people have blood guilt as well? Is there any place for faith, love and hope?

    To me the entire thing just seems… dysfunctional.

    I’d also like to know whether any Germans are offering an alternative.

    • Replies: @Anon
  235. FPD72 says:
    @Alden

    From my experience, school districts in Texas have sovereign immunity for losses greater than $250,000 and don’t carry medical pay insurance, which covers medical costs without respect to fault or liability. They enjoy a very high hurdle to prove that they are negligent, without which they are not liable.

    Example: the kid of a business associate of mine was injured in shop class when a board she was ripping on a table saw kicked back and struck her in the abdomen, causing extensive intestinal injuries. The table saw was not equipped with anti-kickback fingers on the spreader bar, which is a recognized standard of care, which would have made the school liable under most circumstances. The school paid zero of her medical expenses.

    How much more difficult would it be to prove school negligence for one kid beating up another?

  236. Jack D says:
    @utu

    No, Muslims would just use it to attack maternity wards and such. Don’t believe me – they just did:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/afghanistan-gunmen-storm-kabul-hospital-200512071439807.html

    If European civilization is bankrupt, then Muslim civilization is having a fire sale.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
  237. jon says:
    @Sean

    Liveleak has the video, for those interested: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9HlLa_1588700357

    It doesn’t show all of the incident, but it seems pretty clear from what you can see that Ahmaud was on the attack and no shots are fired until he has his hands on the gun.

  238. Rob McX says:
    @David In TN

    And, come to think of it, it works out well enough from their point of view. When they make a big deal of a thug being shot, the general reaction of the clueless masses is the same as if he were a saint. Who needs good blacks?

  239. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Auschwitz was the greater horror than the Hutu slaughtering the Tutsi with machetes precisely BECAUSE industrial means were used, by men of a supposedly higher civilization. If having a higher civilization just means that we are able to kill each other more efficiently then there is no hope for human civilization – time for the AI robots to get rid of us all, if a nuclear war doesn’t do the job first.

    For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required, said Luke.

  240. J.Ross says:
    @jon

    What purpose would be served by memory holing legitimate grievances against police brutality while talking up easily deflated hoaxes?
    [pic of Josef Stalin stroking his chin thoughtfully]
    —–
    These seem to be scattered standalones rather than from a convenient site, but check out Eternal Memri TV: Catholicism without apology.
    https://postimg.cc/vcxj6FNb
    https://postimg.cc/r0pZVv46
    https://postimg.cc/KkVfZ4FL
    The best part is they’re irrefutably correct.

  241. @Jake

    Kevin MacDonald’s work will mean little in the kulturkampf unless he converts to either Latin Mass Catholicism or to Eastern Orthodoxy and reconfigures his ideas from Darwinian evolution to historic Christendom.

    “(C)onverts”???

    Doesn’t his bio indicate he grew up in it?

  242. Jack D says:
    @David In TN

    I agree with you. Saintly Rosa Parks type figures are in very short supply among young ghetto black males, especially among the those who end up getting killed at the hands of the police or other whites. If they could come up with some truly saintly figure (Rosa Parks was carefully vetted in advance) to get killed by the police they would do so, but that’s not how it happens. The people that are getting killed are not even randomly selected from among blacks (and even a random draw from among a ghetto black population would most likely have a least a modest rap sheet) . Almost always (even if they don’t deserve death for what they have done) there is some element of law breaking that brings them into contact with the police in the 1st place and then once the confrontation begins they almost always do something that contributes to their own death.

  243. @Dieter Kief

    The Western Man wants to self-annihilate is culture as a form of liberation. Sacralization of the victim is the secular religion of the modern West, you show your piety by self-abasement and recognizing the moral superiority of the victims, of course if you belong to a group that as been defined as an opressor group you are condemned to do penitence forever. There are only two ways to escape this fate, ethnic self-annihilation by promoting miscigenation with alien groups and identifying with their culture or a complete rejection of the post-Christian values of the modern West with its victim cult and instead respecting your ancestors for being tough SOBs. Current events lead me to believe that self-annihilation is the alternative the Western peoples are going to choose and I’m expecting the Western Culture to self-destroy during the next 100 years with Western Europe and North America ending populated by mixed race masses who reject kinship with the original occupiers of the soil and celebrate the destruction of their culture. Only in Eastern Europe might the European culture survive relatively intact.

  244. @Steve Sailer

    He’d been arrested 52 times that we know of. Now, what proportion of crimes result in arrest, do you think? Maybe ten percent? I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s much less. At any rate it’d imply something in the neighborhood of five hundred crimes from this one ‘wannabe playa’.

    The story is somewhat perplexing. Multiple citations for violations like driving on a revoked license and driving without insurance. Those aren’t trivial infractions, though many others appear to have been. The guy seems to have been a cop magnet for some reason, but he also seems to have figured himself well above the law.

    CBS finds an alleged ‘expert’ to declare:

    we know there are certain assumptions and biases — whether explicit or implicit — about black men that affect how police officers interpret their actions. And we know white drivers are less likely to be pulled over.

    White drivers are less likely to be pulled over because white drivers are less likely to break the law. By a substantial margin. But that’s never admitted in MSM reports.

    I’d like to introduce another fact: many vehicles (especially SUVs) now have ‘privacy tint’ window glass, making it impossible to determine the identity of the driver before pulling him or her over. This goes double or triple at night, when in fact many of these apprehensions occur.

    Still more: while so-called ‘privacy tint’ isn’t supposed to cover the windshield and front-side windows, many ‘playas’ have it affixed anyway, at varying levels of tint. It’s nowadays often very hard to see who’s driving, which can only add to officers’ trepidation upon pulling someone over. But it might help give the lie to ‘driving while black’ propaganda.

    For my part, I wish dark glass were outlawed but for an entirely different reason: you can no longer see through the vehicle(s) ahead to judge traffic conditions. This makes driving much less safe for all of us. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen accidents or near-misses when vehicles are attempting left turns in opposite directions. You can’t see oncoming traffic behind them, and some people are in a hurry and like to take chances.

  245. utu says:
    @kaganovitch

    This is all about Israel, UN Resolution 2334 and Obama not vetoing it.

    Flynn timeline: It all began with a UN resolution condemning Israeli settlements
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/flynn-timeline-it-all-began-with-a-un-resolution-condemning-israeli-settlements/

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/michael-flynn-israel-lobbying-russia-united-nations
    Among the statements about which Flynn has admitted lying to the FBI is his depiction of a conversation with the then Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, relating to the run-up to the controversial December 2016 UN security council resolution 2334 on Israeli settlement building – which passed after the Obama administration abstained.

    Israel, it was reported widely at the time, had been lobbying the team of then President-elect Trump in an attempt to derail the vote.

    And according to the charge sheet against Flynn one of the false statements he has admitted giving to the FBI, was his denial that he had spoken to Kislyak on 22 December 2016 asking Russia to delay the vote on the UN resolution.

    One reason that conversation is important – and potentially highly problematic for Trump and his inner circle – is because of comments made to CNN on 23 December the day after Flynn spoke to Kislyak – by an anonymous Israeli official.

    That official admitted that Israel – and reportedly the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, himself – had contacted Trump to seek his assistance in killing the resolution.

    One reason that conversation is important – and potentially highly problematic for Trump and his inner circle – is because of comments made to CNN on 23 December the day after Flynn spoke to Kislyak – by an anonymous Israeli official.

    That official admitted that Israel – and reportedly the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, himself – had contacted Trump to seek his assistance in killing the resolution.

  246. JimDandy says:
    @H. J. Daly

    He told the cop he had a gun, and then the cop told him to stop reaching. Pretty simple request, but with a “Yeah, yeah, I know what I’m doing” tone he kept reaching. It’s sad, but he caused his own death. I blame the marijuana fog.

    • Replies: @Obamahotep
  247. jon says:
    @James B. Shearer

    Anyway Arbery was shot three times which appears to me to mean that he had already been shot once (off camera) before the final sequence.

    Watch the video here: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9HlLa_1588700357
    You can see that Arbery comes up from behind the truck on the left, runs around the right side of the truck and then cuts back toward the left in front of the truck.
    At the 15 second mark, the first shot is fired. Right when the shot goes off, you can see the son standing to the left and in front of the truck. He is partially blocked from view by the open driver’s side door, so you only see his head and feet – you can’t see Arbery or the gun because they are both blocked by the truck.
    As they both move further left, Arbery comes into view and you can see that he has a grip on the barrel of the gun.
    They keep moving left as they struggle, so the second shot is completely off camera. The third shot is the only one where you can clearly see both people and the gun.

  248. Bill P says:
    @Jack D

    But was Nazi Germany really civilized? To me it looks like one of the movements, like Communism, rejecting Western civilization in the wake of WWI. To Americans fighting the 3rd Reich, it was a fight for Western civilization, against barbarism. That’s what my grandparents told me, and I believed them.

    I think they were right, and if we reject our civilization right here God help us. Who knows what people will do? These lockdowns could be just a foretaste.

    • Replies: @UK
    , @Sam Malone
  249. utu says:
    @Jack D

    “Auschwitz was the greater horror than the Hutu slaughtering the Tutsi with machetes ” – They do executions in the US with gas chambers not with machetes to lower the level of horror. The ultimate and obvious to any child truth is that killing is a killing is a killing is a killing. No amount of Jewish ethnocentric self-deception put into hundreds of books and films about the uniqueness of Jewish suffering will change it. The Haggadah of Holocaust is one more chapter of Torah but the world and the humanity are not obliged and indeed should resist reading, except for ethnographic reasons, this uniquely Jewish tale.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Dissident
  250. @Inquiring Mind

    “I guy in a social organization I belong to has an NRA sticker on his Jeep”

  251. @vhrm

    I assume the incident occurred with “cop mindset,” that everything is potentially lethal, which certainly turned out to be true.

  252. JMcG says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    Remington makes subsonic .22 cartridges. They are pretty quiet out of a rifle barrel. CB or BB caps are even quieter, but harder to find.

  253. Anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:

    The media seem to be pivoting somewhat to increased coverage of the death of the EMT from Kentucky, Breonna Taylor. From what’s been reported she was shot during a no-knock police raid as part of a drug investigation: police raided the house she and her boyfriend were staying in (not totally clear what they had to do with the drug investigation), boyfriend hears the intruders (they say they identified themselves as police, he says they didn’t), he shoots at them, they fire back wounding him and killing her. Neither her nor the boyfriend had criminal records according to the reports, no drugs on the property. No bodycam footage since the police unit involved doesn’t wear them. Looks quite a bit worse and more explosive than Arbery, especially as it seems (superficially) unlikely to result in any arrests or anything more than a settlement to the woman’s family.

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
  254. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Jack D

    I’d argue the other way. It took industrial killing and a deranged dictator with absolute power and still there was a 15% suicide rate among the SS. Killing kids, women and old people looking like them was not the glory and triumph they were promised.

    By contrast in three short months working with only machetes and rocks the Hutu of Rwanda accomplished what was done in Auschwitz in three years.

    And with broad participation of almost every Hutu. Killing neighbors friends relatives up close and personal where the got the victims blood all over them. Not a specialized killing squad with industrial killing equipment.

    Non Whites are not like us. There have been documentaries on both Rwanda and the anti Chinese genocide in Indonesia. In both cases the killers found what they did funny and the death agonies of their victims amusing.

    Or take the Japanese. They had baby bayoneting contests at both Nanking and Manila, both against high command orders.

    The Holocaust is neither unique or remarkable even in the 20th century. Merely the best documented because of German completeness.

    The Armenians, Chinese in China and Indonesia, Tutsis, Greeks, Poles, Koreans, and Russians all have their own equal tragedies. The Russians alone lost 20 million.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Sean
    , @Jack D
  255. UK says:
    @Bill P

    But it was also Germany – a cultural, technological and even philosophical superpower for the previous century. Not Rwanda, some tiny landlocked country that no one would have ever heard of without the massacre having occured.

    • Replies: @Bill P
  256. @JimDandy

    The cop was a moron. Castile never did anything that justified the cop opening fire. The police department booted him as well – proof the officer was unfit for a badge.

    I think the city had to pay off $3 million in the lawsuits after?

    Dumb cops dumb cops – whatchoo gonna do?

  257. @Sean

    The camera veers because Ahmaud is dropping his stolen treasures on the road and into the brush. The pursuer is filming him disposing of evidence.

  258. res says:
    @David In TN

    There is a discussion of this under Background at this page:
    https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Beretta_418

  259. Mycale says:
    @Dieter Kief

    At what point do Germans just say “screw this” and figure it’s easier and healthier to live in peace amongst fellow Germans than be perpetually shamed by outsiders and to be ashamed of stuff they objectively did not do (since they were not even close to being alive when it happened).

    Of course I could say the same for white Americans about slavery, especially since, for many, even our ancestors objectively had nothing to do with it as we came here post-1865.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @Gordo
  260. @J.Ross

    I seek not to know the answers but to understand the questions.
    Breathe. Now exhale slowly. Ya…..I know… still fucking blurry.

    Good one Grasshopper.

  261. @Jack D

    “Who? Where? How? Almost all modern intellectuals of Jewish background expressly reject traditional Judaism and declare their atheism. If Judaism is morally superior then why don’t they practice it?”

    Many jews have claimed that israel has the “most moral army in the world.” jews often present their culture as morally superior to gentile culture in various ways.

    many jews have claimed whiteness is evil i.e. ignatieff, Susan Sontag saying whites were the “cancer” of humanity etc.

    This is an incredibly well documented series of behaviors.

  262. znon says:
    @Anonymous

    In the old days of segregated prisons and when a sense of rights and wrongs of the ruling society, however brutally applied by the guards, was prevalent this might have been the case.
    Now with african american senses of right and wrong prevailing, the victimization of a white fits in with the present system of black racist brutality, and sexual abuse of children is so common as to excite little comment.

    • Agree: Meretricious
  263. JMcG says:
    @Whiskey

    Great comment. The Rwandan festival of blood was an eye opener for me.

  264. But it is remarkable how out of touch the national media is that they so frequently put all their chips on bad actors.

    Maybe they intentionally pick cases that look outrageous at first but have no chance of resulting in a conviction. Those are the ones that get people the most angry and rioty because of the perceived “double injustice.” Then the media get to report on the anger and rioting.

    It seems too clever by half but look at Zimmerman, the cop in Ferguson, and the Baltimore thing, just to pick three I can name off the top of my head. If this keeps up they’ll get their dream, another Rodney King case resulting in days of rioting and many deaths in a major city.

  265. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @fatmanscoop

    The CONUS will break up, as sure as anything can ever be in history. Brazil, Mexico apart from maybe Baja California, and Canada sans Quebec are all in fact more stable.

    When, how, and who gets what- real estate and the nuclear arsenal- are the overwhelmingly significant questions.

    Everything else is window dressing.

    If I had to guess, we wind up with four or five large chunks. And a few minor independent bits here and there. Key West already has a shadow government going under the ageis of humor, and in Gauleiter fashion, one day they just really are in charge.

    Harold Covington’s Northwest American Republic could actually have a shot. Say what you will of the man, his vision made a certain sense, geopolitically.

    Utah and the surrounding areas with a high LDS population were originally intended to be a nation by North America’s Saddam Hussein, Brigham Young. Being landlocked is an issue.

    NYC, and the surrounding areas of NY State, north New Jersey, and part of Connecticut in which a very substantial percent of American Jews live, will stay together probably getting all of Long Island, but not all of NY State, which outside a few counties near the metro area might as well be Nebraska with prettier scenery. They will want all the banks, which they can have, and all the nukes, which no other group can abide if it has any sense. I told HAC that his NVA needed to recruit veterans with special weapons experience who at least knew general procedures, he didn’t think that was that important. In fact one of the chief issues Northwest Independence will face-besides Boeing and Microsoft-will be that it has a lot of weapons infrastructure.

    The Deep South, the breadbasket states, and Texas will be interesting. East and West Texas will wind up in two different polities. The bottom two thirds of California could indeed be a sovereign nation, the top will go however the PAC NW does.

    The key is this- it is inevitable but it is equally not imminent. I don’t believe it’s thinkable before 2040, maybe not 2060.

    In 2100, the American Empire will be as gone as the Roman one. A few graybeards and crones will remember it, some with longing for what was lost, more with gratitude that it is dead. There may or may nor be a rump state still flying what Covington called the Masonic Dishrag and playing the current anthem, maybe not. It won’t matter much.

  266. Sean says:
    @Maddaugh

    Brandishing a gun can make everyone do as you say, but it can also cause you to lose control over a situation. Arbery knew when he went into attack mode and persisted after being wounded in the hand that there was an excellent chance of him dying. So why? Did he maybe fear prison more than death?

    Who was the one with the poor appreciation of what might happen to their life? I am sure if McMichael had thought Arbery was unarmed and would charge right into a levelled shotgun and try to take it, then the police would have been left to do the finding and arresting and none of this would have happened.

  267. @Anonymous

    No-knock warrants, or the police not announcing themselves when wandering around someone’s property, like Atatiana Jefferson, are straight idiotic screw ups on the police. No, your right to attempt to catch somebody in the act, or to save some precious evidence, do not supercede public safety. God damn those crappy Supreme Court decisions. And since this was a planned raid, the unit involved should have worn body cameras. And if it involved some undercover agents they can wear masks. We all do now, so screw their excuses.

    Didn’t Steve Sailer cover this before, how the body cam controversy died down after everyone (sane) realized most criminals talking smack about police brutality were lying? What worthless excuse in the year 2020 does any police unit (Louisville/Jefferson County is 750,000 people, so not tiny) have for not using body cams?

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  268. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @flyover hick

    Old blues classics include “I’m A Man”
    and “Mannish Boy”. More poppy constructions include The Who’s “I’m A Boy” , and the Beach Boys’ “When I Grow Up To Be A Man”.

    For many models, “Mannish Girl” would be appropriate.

  269. HA says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “After having created all those multiverses, matter, anti-matter, galaxies, galactic clusters, stars, quasars, red dwarfs, black holes….. God turned His attention to a shitty planet of a shitty solar system in a shitty part of a shitty galaxy.”

    What’s your point? This planet and this galaxy will be gone in the wink of God’s eye, so to speak, if we’re talking about time scales relevant to the creation of stars, quasars, red dwarfs and multiverses, each of which presumably has plenty of its own muck-filled corners, some of which have come and come and gone, and some of which are yet to be. In fact, most of the universe (and presumably multiverses) seem to consist merely of empty space which is arguably even worse.

    Even if you want to argue that God took a break from all that cosmic ennui to riff up an extra absurd and extra funky momentary diversion before getting back to the main program — and that certainly isn’t the only way to look at it — how does that constitute a lack of progress, outside your worm’s eye myopia?

    Why is it that so many atheists (or agnostics or whatever) never seem to outgrow their I’m-so-much-smarter-than-that attitude, even after they’ve realize that the teenage Goth music and fashion choices (that they adopted at roughly the same point in their lives) are an embarrassment to humanity. If this is the wave of the future, then that, I submit, constitutes a lack of progress.

  270. @Jack D

    And during their occasional slaughterfests, Israelis (jews by your reckoning) have put a special emphasis on bombing schools and hospitals. Which is (as I’m sure you’ll agree) qualitatively different since 1) the jews have the upper hand by an outrageous margin 2) the jews are operating officially, which is a colossal distinction and 3) we here in America are forced to finance the jews’ slaughterfests, whether we want to or not.

  271. @Anonymous

    They are thinking

    °BUZZER°

  272. @Inquiring Mind

    Ernie “Fats” Holmes.

    He was convinced the trucks were after him. He pulled a shotgun from the floor and started shooting at the tires of passing trucks. He stuck his shotgun out the window, already blasted open by his own bullets, and kept shooting. The state police were on his tail now, chasing him at ninety miles an hour. He veered off the main road, blew out a tire, and jumped out of his car, running into a nearby forest. He carried his shotgun with him.

    A police helicopter swirled overhead and Holmes, surrounded by state police, began shooting at it, hitting an officer in the ankle. Moments later, surrounded and exhausted, he was finally in cuffs. Said one officer afterward: “We could have killed him a dozen times.”

    That night in jail, Holmes called Dan Rooney. “We’ll do everything we can for you,” Rooney told him. “Try not to worry.” It was a Saturday. Holmes would be in jail for the weekend, until a judge could hear his case and consider bail. He slept with a stick by his side, unaware that he was the biggest man in the cell.

    That Monday, represented by a lawyer paid for by the Rooneys, Holmes was released on $45,000 bail, also paid by the Rooneys, and admitted to a psych hospital in western Pennsylvania, again paid for by the Rooneys. He was supposed to be there for a month. He stayed for two. Art Rooney visited nearly every day. L.C. Greenwood took him on supervised trips around town. This was a kid who showed only flashes of the kind of mental strength necessary to be a consistent starter. Yet he was treated as if he were Joe Greene. “We all thought,” says Art Rooney Jr., “he needed mercy.”

    That summer, after his stay in the hospital, Holmes went back to Ohio and pled guilty to assault with a deadly weapon. At sentencing, a psychiatrist testified that he suffered from acute paranoid psychosis. Holmes was given five years probation. That July he was back in training camp. And that September he was the Steelers starting defensive tackle.

  273. Sean says:
    @Whiskey

    Dubious that any such suicide rate–if it actually existed– was anything but part of the suicides at the end of WW2 by semi prominent Nazis or those intelligent enough to know they would be held to account. Martin Heidegger had a nervous breakdown under the stress of the post WW2 deNazification procedure. I do know that the birthrate in SS men’s wives remained stubbornly identical to that of other Germans. Out of moral uprightness the Germans were going to commit suicide and leave their families without a father?

    In Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 11 and the Final Solution, it is documented that hardly any older non propagandised Germans declined to participate in a mass shooting of women and children even when they were give the option to stand aside without any prejudice for the duration of the operation. Almost all participated, some considered it a test of their manhood to enthusiastically discharge such a disagreeable duty, others were disgusted and even throwing up . Gigerenzer discussed the story in one of his books and concluded there is an innate rule of thumb that men have in such a situation: don’t break ranks.

    • Agree: Jack D
  274. Bill P says:
    @UK

    A couple thousand years ago the Bactrian Kingdom was one of the most sophisticated and cultured places on earth, its artistic, religious and philosophical influence stretching from the Mediterranean to Japan. Today all that remains is Afghanistan, where part of its ancient legacy was recently dynamited by semiliterate tribesmen, as you may recall. People can and do revert to barbarism. Sometimes shockingly fast.

  275. Jack D says:
    @Whiskey

    there was a 15% suicide rate among the SS.

    I call bullshit. Maybe when they realized that they were losing but not before that. They were a race of supermen. Supermen don’t kill themselves.

  276. Jack D says:
    @utu

    They do executions in the US with gas chambers

    No one has been executed by gas in the US since 1999.

    The ultimate and obvious to any child truth is that killing is a killing is a killing is a killing.

    Stalin (maybe) said that quantity has its own quality. 15,391 total confirmed executions have been carried out in the US since 1608, or one slow day’s worth at Auschwitz.

    I don’t know what your motives are to try to put the US on the same moral plane as Nazi Germany but they just aren’t.

    • Replies: @utu
  277. utu says:
    @HA

    Why is it that so many atheists (or agnostics or whatever) never seem to outgrow their I’m-so-much-smarter-than-that attitude, even after they’ve realize that the teenage Goth music and fashion choices (that they adopted at roughly the same point in their lives) are an embarrassment to humanity. If this is the wave of the future, then that, I submit, constitutes a lack of progress.

    The key to realizing the limits of scientific world view are consciousness and free will. Science is attempting to explain them away as epiphenomena because ideologically the atheistic science can’t allow for their existence because their real existence is outside of science while within the science they are mere epiphenomena. This is the chief point on the limit of the scientific outlook which C.S. Lewis captured as follows:

    “Granted that Reason is prior to matter, I can understand men should come to know a lot about the universe they live in. If, on the other hand, I swallow the scientific cosmology and for “scientific cosmology” we might read “Darwinism” as world view then not only can I not fit in religion, but I cannot even fit science…

    If minds are wholly dependent on brains, and brains on biochemistry, and biochemistry on the meaningless flux of the atoms, I cannot understand how the thoughts of those minds should have any more significance than the sound of the wind in the trees.” – C.S. Lewis

    Without the priority of consciousness and free will there is no science and the science of reductionism pushed by shortsighted simpletons is trying to explain away consciousness and free will which really is cutting the branch on which it sits.

    All materialists can’t handle consciousness; it is the greatest challenge to their world view. So they must kill it, render it irrelevant, just an illusion, an epiphenomenon that plays no role what so ever in the objective reality. And they say it with a straight face knowing perfectly well that the “I” that is speaking and the “I” that is identifying with what is spoken is the same consciousness that they casted aside as an illusion. So who is really speaking? An automaton that knows the truth? They hear voices in their heads like schizophrenics and listen to them and follow them while at the same time saying the voices are just an epiphenomenon. So why do they listen to the voices – because they have no choice, they have no free will. Materialists are like little children who when caught with a hand in the cookie jar can say with a straight face that the hand is not their hand. It is amazing that they are engaged in building a huge superstructure just to escape the little contradiction they dare not to explore. When I think about it in Christian metaphors it is like a diabolic possession of people who fear God so much that they will do anything and everything to deny not just his existence but a mere possibility of it.

    • Agree: HA
    • Replies: @Truth
  278. @Neoconned

    “the dude was minding his own business on a public street.”

    The dude–whatever his real name was–was a burglar. He was just doing what he did for a living–looking for opportunities to burgle.

    As students of crime all know, a burglar is a very volatile, dangerous creature. Presented with opportunity or danger, he can advance to rape and/or murder (e.g., Curtis Lavelle Vance/Anne Pressly) in a heartbeat. This dead mope tried to do just that.

  279. @anon

    It’s not hard to rack up that many traffic stops if you’re unrepentantly lead-footed. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve been stopped, but it’s certainly more than Castile (I’m white and in my late 30s, FWIW.)

  280. @anon

    “Under Obama, Blacks seemed to have achieved the absolute right to run from police, without fear of being shot. In this case, the cop violated that new tacit right, and was prosecuted.”

    See Officer Michael Slager, Walter Scott

  281. @XYZ (no Mr.)

    No-knocks are patently unconstitutional and illegal. There is already an exception that allows the cops to enter your property in “exigent” circumstances, no warrant required. The fact that they got a warrant ipso facto means the circumstances don’t justify a no-knock raid.

  282. @utu

    No. The opposite of justice is injustice. Liberty is freedom to act without consequence. True liberty without consideration for law is rare except among the most privileged of individuals. Justice is law applied correctly, injustice otherwise. Not that I believe this is clear cut, but justice does not oppose liberty in all cases, only in cases in which action violates law.

  283. @HA

    A vegan, an atheist, and a crossfitter walk into a bar. We know this because they told everyone within the first two minutes.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  284. Flip says:
    @fatmanscoop

    The Mississippi River watershed would make a good country.

  285. Moses says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    MacDonald nailed it. The man is brilliant.

  286. utu says:
    @Jack D

    “No one has been executed by gas in the US since 1999.” – They did not replace them with less horrific, according to you, machetes killings. And this was not about the numbers but about which killing was more horrific according to you.

    Personally I believe that the topics of mass murders and Holocaust in particular should be off limit. Most normal people find it distasteful. You are the one who keeps bringing it up on every possible occasion as a moral blackmail to emotionally devastate everybody engaged in some discussion while knowing perfectly well that the current cultural and political climate makes an open debate on some of these issues impossible. No decent person wants to hurt your feeling but at the same time everybody can see that you are a bully and a coward hiding behind a big stick somebody else is wielding. The Auschwitz trump card is losing its strength every time you play it. From an awe to annoyance and slight irritation and eventually to ‘so what, who cares’.

  287. Muggles says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    >>They (Lenin, Hitler, Stalin,…) sincerely believe they are right; that their works are for the greater good of mankind; and that they are, basically, the good guys.<<

    When you read well researched biographies of this trio, you can't escape the obvious. They were highly successful, very intelligent psychopaths.

    Of course they "believed" they were doing good, but as psychopaths they had no real moral compass. Hence they attached their insane acts to a larger set of semi coherent ideas, a borrowed ideology that was invented by others. They applied that ideology set (as they tailored when needed) to the acts they undertook by largely, eliminating rivals. And enforcing their will.

    Lenin was the personally least violent, having never served in any military. He only once (reluctantly) carried a revolver briefly in Moscow during the takeover. However in reading his subsequent remarks about "rich peasants" and his orders post-Revolution, there is no doubt he was as psychopathic as the rest. Hitler wasn't personally violent either. Most psychopaths are not. But they treat other humans as insects using whatever rationale they can find or use successfully. Mao was a long time military "commander" and did personally kill early on.

    To a psychopath, what is "good" is what works for them to secure their chosen ends. They have no self doubt about what they do unless it is a "mistake" and fails to achieve their chosen end.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  288. Anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    The reason masochists exist at all in the human species is because they gain something from it, apparently. They gain the means to survive and reproduce their genes.

  289. @Change that Matters

    I agree that what journalism needs is more scowling, implacable black women around the office.

  290. Truth says:
    @utu

    There is no such thing as an “atheist”, they are actually “satanists.”

  291. MBlanc46 says:
    @Neoconned

    You need to find another neighborhood.

  292. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    “We know the Maori, but the Moriori are extinct.”

    One might almost say that the Moriori are a posteriori morituri.

    Sorry. I can’t find my pills.

    But agreed, these sweeping — and wannabe binding — moral evaluations are absurd, historically illiterate, and generally conceal malicious motives. I don’t find anybody weeping for the Lydians.

    The British Empire pioneered the use of concentration camps — interning the enemy’s women and children, where they died of disease and starvation, against the Boers in South Africa. They committed successful genocides on two continents, North America and Australia, and committed a third massive failed genocide attempt in their own backyard in Ireland. The British Empire used starvation as a political weapon against both the Irish and the Canadian Indians; the Jewish Bolsheviks starved millions in campaigns of political terror. The German Reich fought both these evil empires, yet they alone are accused of an Unforgiveable Sin.

    Why? Because they chose the wrong victims, the Eternal variety. Some animals really ARE more equal than others.

  293. @Jack D

    No, Jesus said that. Luke just wrote it down.

    Lukas F!cking Christ, doesn’t anybody know anything anymore?

  294. @Steve Sailer

    Me too. It’s tough living NPC, especially as you age.

  295. @flyover hick

    The word is statuesque, and you wouldn’t turn her down if she gave you the time of day, which she wouldn’t.

  296. @Neoconned

    As someone who has been harassed literally for just going out for a walk let me tell you it’s an issue. Having random wannabe cops chase you down when you’re minding your own business is scary.

    Maybe so. Man up regardless. Territory challenge and other weird events are expected when young men walk in strange neighborhoods. It’s the way we’re wired and judicial findings aren’t going to move the needle.

  297. @Bardon Kaldian

    I cannot say whether this is true or not- I said I hadn’t read them. Just, I’ve seen that many “discoveries” of such kind turned out to be fake, for instance linking Freud to Kabbalah (complete failure):

    Bakan’s work is indeed delusional, but one must distinguish between lit crit type efforts like Bakan’s and the Springer article you cite later, and factual accounts, with documentary evidence of Freud’s acquaintance with Hebrew.

  298. @Anonymous

    All this is true of course, but aside from this, Freud and his coterie were at great pains to minimize any hint of Judaic origin of the “science” of Psychoanalysis, as they were very sensitive to the charge that Psychoanalysis was “Jewish science”. Freud’s anointing Jung as his successor was another manifestation of his sensitivity to the “Jewish science” charge. He was very interested in having the Gentile Jung as the face of Psychoanalysis.

  299. @Art Deco

    Wow, Art. You have really studied up on the Zimmerman/Martin case.

    Can I read the Art Deco investigation of the Central Park Five case?

    • Agree: Jack Armstrong
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  300. @Inquiring Mind

    At several times in gun history, subcaliber adapters have been in and out of fashion. They were common in the Depression and again in the 1970s, spurred on by glowing descriptions in the gun press as “survivalism” became a thing. Mel Tappan was a Guns & Ammo columnist and wrote much of them. The primary supplier was a man named Harry Owen, who had purchased an early numerically controlled turret lathe and could turn them out from bar stock very economically and precisely.

    A few different types exist. One is simply an auxilliary chamber that fits in the chamber of the rifle or pistol and is itself chambered to the dimension of the smaller cartridge. This is the type the writer appears to describe. A .32 ACP is actually .311 in diameter, whereas all .30 rifle cartridges in common use are .308 or so, but the throat of the barrel will nicely swage down the bullet-usually. A few are still made, but when Mr. Owen died his business went defunct and the business does not seem to appeal to major vendors of firearms or ammunition very much.

    Another type has its own bore and extends far into the host firearm’s barrel. These are often limited to breakopen type guns and they are often used in skeet shooting where a 12 gauge gun may have a set of custom fitted insert tubes to enable it to fire the 20, 28, and .410 bore cartridges used in the formal skeet tournaments.

    These are often quite collectible, in their 1930s variants at least.

    As far as being quiet-if a very mild pistol cartridge is subsonic even with the longer rifle barrel, it well could be. Mostly, their 1970s appeal was to the “survivalists” who wanted to be able to use any ammo they might have come across or to use a high powered rifle for small game gathering, but most people quickly figured that the price of a subcaliber adapter would buy more .22 LR ammo than it would enable them to use of the oddball stuff. A good air gun or a .22 loaded with the aforementioned BB or CB caps will more effectively dispatch small game or pests anyway, since those pistol cartridges have poor penetration. I shot an old tomcat, suspected of possibly being rabid, with a .32 out of an old “lemon squeezer” S&W revolver once and it actually bounced off the cat’s head. He was disoriented enough I was able to flee him but he got up and walked off. My father later got him with a .22 WMR and he died instantly: the animal control folks took the carcass and told us later that he had indeed been carrying rabies.

  301. @Neoconned

    ‘I’m playing devil’s advocate here but seriously…does having a record justify killing the guy? Did he commit a crime against the two who killed him?’

    Attacking somebody holding a gun on you isn’t exactly a justification for anything — but it’s a really good way of getting killed.

  302. vhrm says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The first two links are a bit mangled (missing the “?” at least in my browser) but yeah exactly the issues those people discuss.

    If one brings a gun along he has to have put himslelf through some sort of scenario training so he knows what he’s willing to do and what his plan is and he’s practiced it some.

    Otherwise, it both increases the chances that he’ll do something he might regret legally, but also that he won’t act quickly enough as he’s thinking things through.

  303. donut says:
    @anon

    In the 80’s I had a Toyota Supra . I got pulled over a lot sometimes it was legit but mostly BS . I would set the cruise control at the speed limit and still get pulled over and ticketed for speeding . F-ing scum bags . My next car was a Camry , two tickets in ten years .

  304. @Polynikes

    I like it, but even in jest you might be onto something. Maybe he was an aspiring electrician – in the sense that he liked the idea of being a competent and productive member of society, but lacked the application and/or the smarts. That might explain the apparent draw of the place, assuming it was in fact him who’d been there on other occasions.

    But I came back to report an answer to one of my queries

    He lived with his mother roughly 2 miles (3.2 kilometers) from the subdivision where he was shot.

    https://apnews.com/5d2e8a4b3cd9e031c2e09ef6193d3e0f

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @anon
    , @anon
  305. @HA

    Why would a creator of such a grand stage (grand from our point of view) take a special interest in us? Or, simply- how could a Being who transcends human condition of memory, focus, waxing & waning … possess “interest” or “curiosity” or “change of heart” in anything? For God, abstractly defined, nothing is new or unexpected or disgusting. To think otherwise is similar to ascribing to God baldness, hunger or sleepiness.

    Feynman was, re orthodox religions, right: Sorry guys, the stage has become too big for little human drama.

    • Replies: @HA
  306. @Henry's Cat

    It’s not impossible for one individual to be both interested in construction as an avocation and as a source of materials to steal.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
  307. @Steve Sailer

    Yes but if its correct that he’d already been there on more than one occasion and already been scared off once, his behaviour doesn’t seem consistent with that of a thief, who even, if they’re not bright, tend to be cunning. This is why I’m interested in whether he was just an idler who hadn’t worked in a long time.

  308. @Whiskey

    Did he have gang tattoos? That is usually a giveaway.

  309. anon[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @Henry's Cat

    He lived with his mother roughly 2 miles (3.2 kilometers) from the subdivision where he was shot.

    That’s the line on the map measurement.
    By road it’s 12.2 miles.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    , @res
  310. Anonymous[407] • Disclaimer says:

    A few years ago, Leslie Bailey(?) One of the notorious ‘Sydney Cook’ gang of paedophile/murderers in the UK was found dead in bed in jail, apparently strangled to death. Despite strenuous efforts on behalf of authorities to track down and prosecute the murderer, all attempts proved fruitless.
    Apparently every single man on the same wing as Bailey knocked on the Governor’s door and claimed responsibility for the fact.

  311. @anon

    So that’s where the 11 miles figure I saw came from. But assuming he was on foot, I’m still leaning toward the shorter distance. Nobody goes jogging for a marathon whatever their motive.

    • Replies: @anon
  312. Neoconned says:
    @J.Ross

    I know it was a dumb move in terms of common sense BUT was the black guy on a PUBLIC STREET minding his own business?

    If so and if he didn’t threaten the white guys then this at Best is 2nd degree murder.

    Had they held me at gunpoint like this I would have waited for the police to show and I would have filed felony attempted assault and menacing and stalking charges on them….and in my area at least.,.,they would have stuck.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  313. Neoconned says:
    @Black-hole creator

    It was dumb to violently resist the white dude…..BUT like you acknowledge….if he was on a public road minding his business then this is an open and shut case.

    In my state if you threaten someone w a firearm without them threatening you first IN THE SITUATION THERE AND THEN then you’re as the guy w the gun looking at multiple felony charges, revocation of your gun rights while you go totrial etc

    These 2 hotheads would face felony assault charges at the minimum in my state for even pulling a firearm on someone and threatening them. Plus stalking and other charges….

    Unless Arbery openly threatened them or committed violence against them AS THE AGGRESSOR then the case is open and shut. This is murder.

  314. Art Deco says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    1. Nothing to say about the Central Park Five, other than I suspect it’s been misrepresented by the media.

    2. There were a couple of fora I consulted, especially Jerilyn Merritt’s site. Maps of the complex and recordings of Zimmerman’s phone calls to the dispatcher were available. I looked at the autopsy report on Martin available at the time. All of this was seven years ago. The blawg Legal Insurrection had a frequent column by a specialist in criminal defense on self-defense in law.

    I got in a long back-and-forth at the time with leftoids at a site which is now known as “Ordinary Times”. It was an education in how liberals ‘think’. Most of them don’t do much of that. They have a stew of prejudices, attitudes, and postures.

    The sequence of events was fairly uncomplicated, but people are chronically in error about it because (1) they never read anything about the case longer than a few sentences and (2) they fill in the gaps with their prejudices.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  315. Neoconned says:
    @utu

    Exactly like when Trayvon died those idiots sold hoodie Skittles targets.

    Two redneck morons WITH GUNS targeted an unarmed man to play cop.

    I was actually threatened when I lived in my old hood by a crew of about ten homeboys WHO HAD AUTOMATIC WEAPONS (stolen)…..they thought me a police informer.

    I threatened in self defense in broad daylight to take my rifle in front of 10+ of them with me alone to shoot as many as possible and to “stack them bloody and gutshot for the cops to come scrape off the street to put in the meatwagon.”

    They threatened me back before their mother pulled them back. They didn’t f–k w me again after that. A yr later the p-ssy police(with the Feds) did a SWAT raid on them.

    I lived in my old “hood” for 30 yrs before those parasites showed up. I’d be damned if I am going to be muscled out of my own home.

    I had a kid last yr. I don’t want my wife or daughter around that. That’s the only reason I moved out.

    I would have been exhonerated by the cops in self defense had I blasted those punks. I had ten plus hard felons with firearms threaten me in broad daylight….in this case these two rednecks were the aggressors….

  316. @vhrm

    Insert Mike Tyson everybody-has-a-plan …. quote here.

  317. @vhrm

    The first two links are a bit mangled (missing the “?” at least in my browser)

    This has been happening a lot with pictures recently. Nothing else has changed, so something is up either at Unz or in the Kindle.

  318. @Jack D

    For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required…

    Jesus thus supported eugenics, of the organic variety. Not of the Robert Graham or Trent Arsenault kind, though. “Much” meant following through as a patriarch.

  319. Yngvar says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    The corona-virus is a well known nuisance among veterinarians working in animal husbandry, particularly within pig raising and dog breeding, but species-jumping was very rare until MERS.

  320. from Imgflip Meme Generator

    I assume this was a little much but I’ll try again

  321. anon[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @Henry's Cat

    So that’s where the 11 miles figure I saw came from. But assuming he was on foot, I’m still leaning toward the shorter distance.

    You might want to pull up a map and examine the details of that shorter route.

  322. @Hamlet's Ghost

    “It’s mostly a psychological problem.”

    Thats because they are in a state of whats known as “permanent demoralization.”

    They have almost lost *outright* and in entirety, the ability to discern reality *at all*.

    Mark my words. These people will have to be put in camps to fix this country.

  323. @Neoconned

    These guys were ‘playing cops’ with a guy who charged them while wielding a hammer, when all he had to do was follow the damn law?

    “I would have been exonerated by the cops in self defense had I blasted those punks.”

    Oh, you’re so sure?

    “blasted those punks.”

    You sound unhinged. I bet you were some redneck and wanted to play cop. See how monday morning quarterbacking works? Karmas a bitch. And you over here virtue signalling because “come on guis! I’m not a RAYCIS or anything! Those guis were clearly in the wrong, even though I’ve been in similar situations.”

    Don’t be a backbiting double talking faggot. Commit to a position.

    “in this case these two rednecks were the aggressors….”

    Go back to california.

    You are like those people who interfere in fights and turn it into a dramatic thing, rather than determining who was in the wrong.

    A backstabber, that is what you are.

    You deserve neither your liberty nor respect. I would *literally* not piss on you if you were on fire.

    Bitch.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  324. @Neoconned

    “These 2 hotheads would face felony assault charges at the minimum in my state for even pulling a firearm on someone and threatening them”

    Well thankfully they don’t live in your backward ass state of “only-protect-yourself-not-your-neighborhood”.

    Yeah, thats what I thought. You DO strike me as the kind of guy to cower while taking no responsibility at all for stopping dangerous criminals in your community.

    They live in Georgia, where thankfully commonsense (and the law) says you’re legally allowed to fire on someone charging at you armed with a hammer, and you as a citizen are allowed to detain someone you are aware of who committed a felony. Breaking and entering is a felony.

    Oh it’s harmless? We had a wackjob in our neighborhood who regularly perpetrated B&Es.
    Turns out he was casing houses for young girls to abduct.

    Tried to break into our house and we chased him off w/o a clean shot.

    He later broke into the neighbors house to “check on” the man’s daughter and got his ass shot.

    Sounds like you would have believed the media’s story about *that* too if the guy that defended his family from the would-be black rapist hadn’t also been black.

    So what you’re saying is you’re a guy that likes to talk big, shit on people who *defended themselves* instead of giving the benefit of the doubt, and an all around shitbird?

    Color me fucking surprised.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  325. @Mycale

    You don’t quite end on a positive note what does not necessarily mean that you’re not right.

    Ah – I’d say that it is not human to ask a nation to walk in shame forever.

  326. res says:
    @anon

    That is a huge difference. Do you have a reference or the addresses? I am curious how that works.

  327. anonn says:

    You people are reprehensible. Even if he’d done every single little thing you lot think, none of that excuses these redneck psychopaths murdering him in cold blood.

    Let’s talk about Breonna Taylor next, and how you all think it was OK for the pigs to murder her inside her own home because her boyfriend got arrested in the past.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  328. J.Ross says:
    @Neoconned

    It wasn’t a wrong left turn, it was an undeniable physical death threat, made to an armed man, and it fully explains what followed. The act of trying to grab the gun (and then use it on them) fully explains and justifies the use of deadly force. Blacks (and anyone else with this belief) need to be broken, by Darwin if necessary, of their faith-article that maximum physical violence is an appropriate first step to a guy who says he wants to talk to you. Almost every dead black guy would be alive if they weren’t psychopathically over-reacting.

  329. J.Ross says:
    @anonn

    >redneck psychopaths
    Please, sir, this is a bigotry-free zone.

  330. Neoconned says:
    @AmericaIsDeadAndIt'sNotComingBack

    1st, sorry you feel the way that you do.

    2nd, I love your handle name. Very insightful sir….

    But I’ve been burned one too many times in playing “concerned citizen”…..Whiskey is right. The country sociologically is too atomized…especially where I live.

    People here only care about themselves. The south isn’t as friendly as ppl say it is. People literally just say mean things in friendly ways.

    I’ve learned my lesson…..stick your neck out for yourself first and your kinfolk a close 2nd. Most “friends ” here I’ve ever had are about as fairweather as they come and blow in the wind like a paper bag.

    To each their own though

  331. @Bill P

    Your grandparents were sheep doing the work of their rulers.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  332. Hibernian says:
    @Truth

    Because there are so many black civil engineers out there?

    The guy would more likely be competing against Indian and Arab civil engineers.

    Oh lookie here, it seems that according to US News, the unemployment rate for C.Es is 0.9%

    Official unemployment figures are always unrealistically low.

  333. HA says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Why would a creator of such a grand stage (grand from our point of view) take a special interest in us?”

    As I understand it, the general assumption among many who have pondered such matters is that this creator — and I take it we’re going by roughly Aristotelian/Thomist (or perhaps Spinozan) terminology — is infinite. As such, the notion of some preferred length or time scale is irrelevant. By way of rough analogy, consider that there’s just as much to interest a mathematician in the set of numbers within the interval (-1,1) as there is in all the set of ALL real numbers — in fact, those two sets are identical through a trivial transformation. Or else, consider some fractal structure where there’s no particular preferred time scale. Whichever analogy suits you, perhaps it can help you to allow for the possibility that whatever the creator’s special interests in grand stages happen to be, they do not preclude a special interest in the tiny little corners you dismiss as being “shitty”.

    That’s the answer to your first sentence, anyway. Addressing how the creator’s interest (to put it in human terms) might wax or wane or otherwise vary, or to what extent the creator is also an actor in any of those stages, grand or otherwise, is another matter. I could take a stab at that, too, but perhaps it’s better to note that even if I didn’t have an answer, or if it happened to be the wrong one (and I’m down with either possibility) I don’t see why not being able to answer one question or another about some fundamentally unfathomable creator means that creator cannot therefore exist.

    The ancients already knew that even on the scale of oceans, deserts, mountains and starry skies, humans are small and tiny and arguably not worthy of any consideration. The fact that we’ve since learned about black holes and quasars doesn’t fundamentally change that.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  334. It’s remarkable how often the Prestige Press manages to find somebody to sanctify who is a real dodgy character. Alternatively, how often do they find somebody who is even an okay guy?

    Robert Barnes has an interesting idea about that. The activists (eg Ben Crump) seem to be picking dodgy characters and questionable circumstances on purpose.

    Straightforward civil rights cases do happen. But the end result is that after some noise the system more or less works.

    Questionable cases work out better for activists. The justice system won’t achieve a result that satisfies the initial rage. In the end they get to call for more activism. More money, more jobs.

    • Replies: @res
  335. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Maybe he was an aspiring electrician …. That might explain the apparent draw of the place, assuming it was in fact him who’d been there on other occasions.

    It was him.
    His interest was knowing when the house had been wired and the plumbing roughed in so he and his friends could come back that night and rip it all out before the sheeters arrived and screwed the drywall to the wall frames.
    That’s why he was there during the day on sunday February 23 instead of at night as he was the other times.
    What Arbery didn’t know was that the owner lived 2 hours drive away and had lost interest in working on the house.
    It was like Groundhog Day every time he went there, but because he had no knowledge of building and no capacity for reasoning, he was unable to work out why that wiring and plumber’s copper pipe hadn’t been installed.

  336. @HA

    Yet, this all undermines religious literalism. Most sacred texts are not just revelations of their Deity; they are, so to speak, early “theories of everything”, where recipients of those revelations accepted them as, basically, a rough explanatory sketch of hows & whys of the world. Even most advanced human beings did not know much about the world 2000 years ago, or, even less, 5000 years ago (Sumerians etc.).

    The scriptures of the entire world (Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Indians, Hebrews, Persians, Arabs, Chinese,..) contain much antiquated material which is, now, when we know infinitely more about the world out there & human brain & physiology- simply false (Moses & the Exodus tale; Buddha’s supposed destruction of numerous planets by a laser-like ray emanating from his third eye) or improbable because they, now, seem to be a fruit of ignorance & childish projections.

    It is true that ancients knew that world was, spatially, bigger than they were; just, they did not know it was that big. More- they did not how the world “works”, so they naturally ascribed to Deities various plagues, earthquakes & similar stuff. Now, when we know more about physics, geology, biology,… this astronomical-geological-atmospheric manifestations of a Deity simply vanished from most people’s mental horizon. Only a handful of hard-core religionists still think, for instance, that AIDS was a punishment for gays (strange- syphilis & Montezuma’s revenge did not gain much theological interest).

    Be as it may, literal religions’ explanations of the world don’t seem to be acceptable for a modern man; they may be convincing only in expanded or “diluted” variants like Philosophia Perennis or blend of highly abstract variants of philosophical theism with a welter of ideas characterizing modern thought (ineradicable Platonism).

    Of course, societal & psychological functions of most religions (group cohesion, need to give meaning to one’s life) are quite another matter. Just, as I said- to most modern men, orthodox traditional religions are not acceptable in their historical, literal formulation. To some, they are- but they’re in the minority.

    • Replies: @HA
  337. @RSDB

    I said nun, not a saint.

    • Replies: @RSDB
  338. @Anon

    Another reason to not watch the NFL.

  339. HA says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Yet, this all undermines religious literalism. Most sacred texts are not just revelations of their Deity; they are, so to speak, early ‘theories of everything’,…”

    It seems you want to keep digressing to other matters (e.g. religious literalism, which I don’t recall anyone here advocating) instead of sticking with the topic at hand. That’s not the indication of someone who feels he has the upper hand.

    I claim no desire to convert you or to set myself up as an expert on any of these matters. But my earlier point remains: those early “theories of everything” already touched on the topic that initially troubled you — i.e. the notion that the creator (despite being, by some accounts, all-powerful and omnipresent and transcending spacetime scales to the extent that “a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day”) should not be concerned with anything that doesn’t possess astronomical magnitudes. As one early text put it: “what is man that you are mindful of him?” So, they acknowledged your conundrum, but for reasons I mentioned (omnipresence and whatnot) it didn’t concern them, and it was evidently not regarded as any kind of evidence that no such creator could exist.

    I’m no literalist, but I don’t see why your take is in any way superior to theirs, or why this creator needs to comply with any adolescent finger-wagging by you or Feynman about what’s really important in the universe, either to the creator or to “modern man”. (Indeed, if the creator had to always satisfy those criteria, THAT would be a pretty disturbing limitation.) And the fact that we now know there are even larger things there than we previously knew about doesn’t change any of that. (Neither does the fact that we’ve since learned that there are also really, really tiny things out there like bacteria and quarks and electrons and Planck-lengths, so that according to your arguments, man, who is vast and enormous relative to those miniscule creations, is thereby more worthy of consideration than he had been before, solely on that basis — though I suspect your scaling arguments are not applied that consistently.)

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  340. @HA

    Well… I guess any further discussion is useless.

    1. Feynman’s apothegm was not simply about our modern knowledge of physical magnitude of the universe. It was about the ever growing corpus of our human knowledge of the world that, almost automatically, renders all archaic cosmologies (including ancient meteorology, geology, biology & anthropology) comic & infantile. There is no need for them; they’re either useless or charmingly childish, being product of an underdeveloped mind. They do not reveal anything superhuman. They’re all too human (if we take them literally & in toto).

    2. basically Hebrew question about creator is just an admission of confusion, not anything profound. This question, from Psalms & Job, is like a child’s cry- and there is no more to it than an expression of child’s dependence & ambivalence projected on its father figure. Other archaic cosmologies, Hindu-Buddhist, are not as easily refutable as are Biblical & Quranic. They are, especially in the Jain variant, but as absurdly inflated fantasies of junkies (no need to elaborate more on that).

    Modern man or modern mind, if consistent, cannot accept these old tales. They are hopelessly outdated, and Yahweh is no more persuasive than Zeus. Both abstract themes (the problem of evil & free will) and concrete manifestations of religions (various God-proscribed taboos on forbidden food (shrimps & lobsters), or supposedly paramount belief in either transubstantiation or consubstantiation), for a critical & consistent modern mind can only result in, to quote St. Paul:

    When I was a child,
    I spake as a child,
    I understood as a child,
    I thought as a child:
    but when I became a man,
    I put away childish things.

    • Replies: @HA
  341. res says:
    @Thagomizer

    That sounds reasonable. Do you have any links to Robert Barnes expanding on that idea?

  342. HA says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Feynman’s apothegm was not simply about our modern knowledge of physical magnitude of the universe. It was about the ever growing corpus of our human knowledge of the world that, almost automatically, renders all archaic cosmologies (including ancient meteorology, geology, biology & anthropology) comic & infantile.”

    Actually, the notion of a creator does not depend on how much stuff we’ve discovered about the creation or its workings (though to the extent that it is perfectly self-sustaining, I suppose it adds credibility to deistic arguments.) If you want to clearly lay out how some particular aspect of that cosmology has become archaic, let alone comic and infantile, then do so. As I see it, your initial attempt didn’t go so well. Now it seems you’re simply asserting your (and/or Feynman’s) conclusion, which only makes you seem comic & infantile.

    Again, I’m not saying your take is any less valid than that of the ancients. (My suspicion that it comes from a 14-year-old’s way-too-cool-for-this mindset is no decisive refutation either, even if I were interested in providing one.) My point is that it’s also no more valid, unless you make the effort to demonstrate clearly why that is so.

    “2. basically Hebrew question about creator is just an admission of confusion, not anything profound.”

    OK, now you’re going with the old rubber-glue maneuvre, I take it? I call you an adolescent goth, so you call them confused children? Regardless, I would argue this admission of childlike confusion is actually quite profound, your assertions notwithstanding — in fact, it indicates the kind of humility that comes from recognizing that there is something vast and powerful beyond us, in comparison to which we are small and trivial indeed. How weird that the ancients were able to arrive at that even without knowing about quasars and black holes.

    On the contrary, your conviction that your notions of what is and isn’t “shitty” are in any way definitive indicates that you are sorely lacking in that humility. Paradoxically, it seems that an individual’s willingness to admit to childlike confusion, thereby realizing that he or she is NOT the center of the universe (in the way that bratty children typically assume), is actually a necessary step towards outgrowing childhood, and sadly, it seems you have yet to take it.

    “Other archaic cosmologies, Hindu-Buddhist, are not as easily refutable as are Biblical & Quranic.”

    And yet, in all this profusion of assertions you’ve poured out, you have not managed to refute much of anything, certainly not (IMO) with regard to your initial objection. You’re just upping the volume and waving your hands ever more frantically.

    Modern man or modern mind, if consistent, cannot accept these old tales.”

    Not your stilted straw-man versions, I grant you. But given what the modern mind has offered by way of cheap substitute religions, I’ll stick with some of those so-called old tales. After all, they didn’t seem so unacceptable to minds like those of Euler, Faraday, Lemaitre, or Godel, so invoking Feynman is also not going to get you anywhere. He’s undoubtedly a bright guy, but in comparison with the ultimate ex-nihilo creator, he’s a huge letdown. That’s what I mean about cheap substitutes.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  343. RSDB says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    What makes you think these are two exclusive things?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  344. “But it is remarkable how out of touch the national media is that they so frequently put all their chips on bad actors.”

    They’re not at all out of touch, Steve. They’re attracted to, and loyal to evil.

    • Agree: Manfred Arcane
  345. @HA

    Enough is enough. Who really thinks that explicit claim how Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, or how Christ was resurrected- have nothing in them which could be dismissed by modern knowledge of astronomy or biology-well then, there is nothing more to say.

    Virtually all miracles or supposedly supernatural occurrences (and most religions cling to them desperately)- did not happen. Who believes in them literally possesses another cast of mind with which it is imp0ssible to discuss anything on the subject.

    • Replies: @HA
  346. @RSDB

    Virginity. Nuns are consecrated virgins (except some widows). With Mary of Magdala, that would be the problem.

    • Replies: @RSDB
  347. AmRen says:

    Not even Philando Castile is beyond criticism! He livestreamed him and his girlfriend smoking weed in the car just hours before the shooting WITH THEIR CHILD BEHIND THEM, and he did not have a medical license.

    Plus there’s also the niggling issue of the reason he was pulled over, which is that he resembled the suspect in a convenience store robbery… which TO THIS DAY, has not been solved.

    Keep looking for a so-called murder of a black man because simply the color of his skin. I’ll wait.

  348. HA says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Who really thinks that explicit claim how Joshua commanded the sun to stand still,”

    Back to scriptural literalism, I take it. If strawmen arguments about what those passages actually meant to people unfamiliar with refraction indices and EKG’s — not to mention fulminating about “modern man” as if that were some self-evident universal aspirational imperative — is all you can muster, then it amounts to a pretty lame sermon.

    “Who believes in them literally possesses another cast of mind with which it is imp0ssible to discuss anything on the subject.”

    And yet, this cast of mind was evidently present in Riemann, Lemaitre, Godel and Mendel — each of whom managed to contribute more to the development of “modern man” than your adolescent ramblings ever will. How frustrating that must be for you. Alas, no matter how forcefully you stamp your foot and throw assertions around, you won’t convince anyone who isn’t already in agreement with you. Again, if this is the best you can do, I predict those old tales will continue to be a preferable alternative to many, long after modern men like you are dust.

    • Agree: Dissident
  349. Neoconned says:
    @AmericaIsDeadAndIt'sNotComingBack

    Sir I’ve read some of your comments in the past and have appreciated what I have read. I have no grudge against you. The point I was trying to make was I had ten plus felons threatening my life in broad daylight….and no I am not exaggerating…..versus 2 guys on 1….when I threatened them for the record I wasn’t armed…..had they had a firearm they could easily have shot me then and there….but I roll like that….I don’t let people push me around.

    That being said I hold no I’ll will against you despite what you have said to me but something is now abundantly clear to me….some of the posters here quite literally do not like black people and do not want them around.

    I’m not going to fight you or virtue signal. There’s no point. I can’t convince you otherwise and I know you wouldn’t agree even if I tried.

    What I fear though is…..with attitudes like yours a “hot” civil war is on it’s way simply because you don’t seem to have any inkling living with others different from yourself.

    Good day sir and happy posting.

  350. Dissident says:
    @kaganovitch

    Regardless of how familiar Freud may or may not have been with the Judaic heritage from which he descended*, one thing’s for sure: He emphatically rejected said heritage and was estranged from it (certainly by the time he had matured and developed his core outlook). Sigmund Freud’s beliefs, principles, behaviors, and identity were all in sharp contrast to Judaism.

    *And how low he descended

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  351. Dissident says:
    @mark green

    ‘Inherit the Wind’, a thoroughly condescending look at rural America via the Scopes ‘Monkey Trial’. This Hollywood yarn ended up putting Christianity on trial, even though ‘creationism’ (as understood by Christians) comes exclusively from the Old Testament.

    1.) Is there a strain of Christianity (at least one that can be considered normative) that rejects the Divinity of the Hebrew Bible (“Old Testament”)? 2.) Is the Creation narrative found in said Judaic Scripture conclusively contradicted or negated somewhere within Christian Scripture or doctrine?

    My interest here, lest it be unclear, is not to defend Inherit The Wind or the view it advanced of the Scopes Trial, of rural America, of Christianity, or of anything else. Rather, what I am responding to is something I’ve seen exhibited by a number of individuals who comment here: An odd denial of the obvious Judaic roots of Christianity and the latter’s own embrace of what it calls the Old Testament.

  352. Gordo says:
    @Mycale

    At what point do Germans just say “screw this” and figure it’s easier and healthier to live in peace amongst fellow Germans than be perpetually shamed by outsiders and to be ashamed of stuff they objectively did not do (since they were not even close to being alive when it happened).

    Germans really ought to start forgiving their forefathers for losing WW2.

  353. @Dissident

    Regardless of how familiar Freud may or may not have been with the Judaic heritage from which he descended*, one thing’s for sure: He emphatically rejected said heritage and was estranged from it (certainly by the time he had matured and developed his core outlook). Sigmund Freud’s beliefs, principles, behaviors, and identity were all in sharp contrast to Judaism.

    Oh, absolutely. My point was that Freud was in this (as well as many other matters) thoroughly mendacious.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  354. Dissident says:
    @Art Deco

    It was an education in how liberals ‘think’. Most of them don’t do much of that. They have a stew of prejudices, attitudes, and postures.

    The sequence of events was fairly uncomplicated, but people are chronically in error about it because (1) they never read anything about the case longer than a few sentences and (2) they fill in the gaps with their prejudices.

    Substitute nearly any other category of people for liberals, and nearly any other case or topic for the one you were addressing (i.e., the Trayvon Martin case), and what you wrote above would still be quite true. Rare is the man who makes any real effort to ascertain facts irrespective of their implications and conclusions. Rarer still, to abide facts and uphold truth when they prove sufficiently inconvenient or worse.

  355. Dissident says:
    @Sam Malone

    To Americans fighting the 3rd Reich, it was a fight for Western civilization, against barbarism. That’s what my grandparents told me, and I believed them.

    Your grandparents were sheep doing the work of their rulers.

    Do you say the same about those who fought for Nazi Germany? For the other Axis powers?

  356. Dissident says:
    @utu

    “Auschwitz was the greater horror than the Hutu slaughtering the Tutsi with machetes ” (Jack D) – They do executions in the US with gas chambers not with machetes to lower the level of horror.

    The executions in the United States (whether by gas chamber or any other means) that you refer-to are of individuals convicted, after due process, of a heinous crime such as (and nearly exclusively) murder. Certainly, the practice of capital punishment is not without legitimate and serious concerns, all of which are magnified by its finality and irreversibly. And, certainly, it is possible to inherently oppose, on principle, the practice of capital punishment itself. But flawed as it may be; objectionable, unacceptable, or even downright unconscionable, in its own right, one may find it, to equate the capital punishment that the US imposes for crimes on the level of murder with the deliberate mass execution of civilians, including mothers with young children, i.e. genocide; mass murder, is nothing short of obscene.
    (By seeming to ignore, at least overwhelmingly, this most salient, germane and critical point, Jack D’s response to you was most disappointing.)

    The ultimate and obvious to any child truth is that killing is a killing is a killing is a killing.

    1.) All killing is the same? Really? You make no distinction between murder, self-defense, and (as per above) lawful execution of a convicted murderer? That is perverse moral relativism.

    2.) Such invocation of “ultimate and obvious to any child truth” is a shallow appeal to emotion that does not withstand scrutiny.

    [MORE]
    Invoking it is manipulative; perhaps an example of what Nassim Nicholas Taleb has dubbed pedophrasty.

    3.) Your specific assertion of what is “ultimate and obvious to any child truth” suggests that you subscribe-to the belief that human nature is either innately good or at least a blank slate; that it only becomes corrupted by evil, external influences. This view, I would contend, is fanciful utopian folly. The reality, as empirically and manifestly evidenced, is that human nature is complex. Man is born with at least as many selfish, destructive and evil instincts as good ones. (Actually, every instinct can be channeled into a positive as well as a negative direction.) Even– and at times especiallychildren can exhibit a degree of barbarism and even sadism that can be utterly shocking to witness. (Surely one of the great paradoxes of the human condition; the same creature that can appear so cherubic one moment, can appear so diabolical the next.)

    No amount of Jewish ethnocentric self-deception put into hundreds of books and films about the uniqueness of Jewish suffering will change it. The Haggadah of Holocaust is one more chapter of Torah but the world and the humanity are not obliged and indeed should resist reading, except for ethnographic reasons, this uniquely Jewish tale.

    1.) The Nazi persecution and genocide of Jews during WWII is not a “uniquely Jewish tale”. It is a chapter of history that has universal relevance, interest, meaning and implications.

    Why would ignoring this particular instance of mass murder be any better than sacralizing and elevating it above the many other persecutions, genocides and atrocities that have been committed throughout history? Wouldn’t the correct approach be to view all of these* with horror? To study and discuss all of them, along with all of the rest of history– the beautiful as well as the ugly; the mundane as well as the sublime; the inspiring and uplifting, as well as the diabolical, the degrading, and the demoralizing? Shouldn’t history be viewed and taught in all of its complexity, from its many relevant perspectives?

    Apparently, you would have the study of history be limited by the narrow constraints of that which serves and advance your own particular views, prejudices and preferred narratives. In this, you are fundamentally no different than those you condemn for the same.

    [*Including the crimes of the Jewish Bolsheviks**; the non-Jewish Bolsheviks; the Jew Lazar Kaganovitch**; the non-Jew Vladimir Lenin; the non-Jew Josef Stalin; the non-Jew Mao Ze Dong; etc., etc.
    **It would be germane to note here that the aforementioned Jews were all apostates who had emphatically rejected and actively rebelled against their Judaic heritage, and were no less vicious toward religious Jews than they were toward any non-Jews. And no, this is not to suggest that even religious Jews are above reproach.]

    2.) There is no “Haggadah of Holocaust”, certainly not in any Torah that I recognize. There are, unfortunately, many Jews for whom The Holocaust has effectively supplanted the Torah as the center of what can only be described as a pseudo-Judaism that is a rank perversion of the authentic article. This, in most cases, is in tandem with what is another heretical and idolatrous substitution for Judaism: Zionism.

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  357. Dissident says:
    @kaganovitch

    Sigmund Freud’s beliefs, principles, behaviors, and identity were all in sharp contrast to Judaism.

    Oh, absolutely. My point was that Freud was in this (as well as many other matters) thoroughly mendacious.

    Thank you for this clarification. I am glad that you made it publicly here, for I was concerned that the comments you had posted could all-too-easily serve to embolden those who, in their indiscriminate, unqualified, wholesale condemnation of all things Jewish/ perceived as Jewish, make little if any distinction between an apostate Jew such as Freud and the devoutly religious Jews he was descended from.

    The re-examination of Freud that you have referenced is indeed intriguing.

  358. JMcG says:
    @Dissident

    Gold box comment.

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  359. Dissident says:
    @JMcG

    Thank you. It is always gratifying to see one’s efforts appreciated.
    —-

    Typo correction: irreversibly was meant to be irreversibility (one of many words not recognized by Firefox’s inline spell-checker.)

  360. RSDB says:
    @Dissident

    The comparison was between Hutus murdering people without just cause and Nazis murdering people without just cause. In no universe are machete killings of Tutsis lawful execution of a convicted murderer.

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  361. Dissident says:
    @RSDB

    The comparison was between Hutus murdering people without just cause and Nazis murdering people without just cause.

    That was the comparison before utu‘s gratuitously incendiary and derailing interjection. And if you had actually read through my reply to utu, you might have realized that concerning said initial comparison between Hutus and Nazis, I offered no comment. My response (as I thought I made quite clear) was to utu who had obfuscated and diverted the discussion by introducing the completely irrelevant to it topic of capital punishment in the US.

    In no universe are machete killings of Tutsis lawful execution of a convicted murderer.

    And in no universe did I even so much as remotely suggest or imply that they were. You might wish to re-read my comment. And, going forward, it would be much appreciated if you would exercise a bit more due diligence before presuming to post a reply such as this– one that utterly mischaracterizes what someone wrote to the point of revealing that if you had actually read even just the first paragraph, you clearly did not comprehend what you had read.

    I apologize for my harshness in case this was an innocent error on your part. I would challenge anyone, nonetheless, to demonstrate that any part of my response here goes beyond the boundaries of that which would be considered reasonable and legitimate for anyone in the same situation.

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  362. RSDB says:
    @Dissident

    Utu was discussing the relative barbarity of being hacked to death and being gassed to death, to which topic which is used for capital punishment in the US and why is a relevant question.

    Do you read these arguments before you jump in? You’re normally a good commenter but this sort of tone criticism is unwarranted.

    Utu’s comment implied that the topic of relative barbarity had originally been brought up by Jack D in the first place anyway.

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  363. RSDB says:
    @RSDB

    In other words, there are two separate comparisons here:

    1. People being a) unjustly hacked to death and being b) unjustly gassed to death

    and

    2. Criminals being killed (we might as well assume justly for the sake of argument) a) by being gassed and b) by being hacked to death ( b) being a hypothetical scenario).

    As I see it, 1a is not being compared to 2a or 2b, nor is 2a or 2b being compared directly to 1b; rather, the comparison between 2a and 2b is used to illustrate the comparison between 1a and 1b.

    The whole question is a very bizarre one, of course.

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