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One fascinating thing that is hard to notice is that the U.S. has had affirmative action for blacks since the end of the 1960s, but in all those years very few well-known cases of race fraud.

Rachel Dolezal became a national obsession a couple of years ago for getting away with pretending to be black. I can vaguely recall a few other cases, such as one a generation ago involving Boston firefighters whose documentation consisted of a sepia photo they said showed their black great-grandmother, but others figured they just lifted it from a burning building in Roxbury.

My current Taki’s column talks about black privilege is operationalized. A couple of key aspects are that most white Americans seem to feel that cheating would be dishonorable, and that if they tried to get away with claiming black privilege, they’d eventually run into a large-and-in-charge black lady bureaucrat who would say “Oh no you isn’t black” and that would be the end of that.

In Brazil, however, things are very different with their newish affirmative action program. Brazilians like cheating and Brazil’s definitions of race are based on a color continuum not a color line and on looks rather than the self-identification of your ancestors. From Foreign Policy

Brazil’s New Problem With Blackness

As the proudly mixed-race country grapples with its legacy of slavery, affirmative-action race tribunals are measuring skull shape and nose width to determine who counts as disadvantaged.

BY CLEUCI DE OLIVEIRA
APRIL 5, 2017

PELOTAS, Brazil – Late last year Fernando received news he had dreaded for months: he and 23 of his classmates had been kicked out of college. The expulsion became national news in Brazil. Fernando and his classmates may not have been publicly named (“Fernando,” in fact, is a pseudonym), but they were roundly vilified as a group. The headline run by weekly magazine CartaCapital — “White Students Expelled from University for Defrauding Affirmative Action System” — makes it clear why.

But the headline clashes with how Fernando sees himself. He identifies as pardo, or brown: a mixed-race person with black ancestry. His family has struggled with discrimination ever since his white grandfather married his black grandmother, he told me. “My grandfather was accused of soiling the family blood,” he said, and was subsequently cut out of an inheritance. So when he applied to a prestigious medical program at the Federal University of Pelotas, in the southern tip of Brazil, he took advantage of recent legislation that set aside places for black, brown, and indigenous students across the country’s public institutions.

While affirmative action policies were introduced to U.S. universities in the 1970s, Brazil didn’t begin experimenting with the concept until 2001, in part because affirmative action collided head-on with a defining feature of Brazilian identity. For much of the twentieth century, intellectual and political leaders promoted the idea that Brazil was a “racial democracy,” whose history favorably contrasted with the state-enforced segregation and violence of Jim Crow America and apartheid South Africa. “Racial democracy,” a term popularized by anthropologists in the 1940s, has long been a source of pride among Brazilians.

As the country’s black activist groups have argued for decades, it is also a myth. Brazil’s horrific history of slavery — 5.5 million Africans were forcibly transported to Brazil, in comparison with the just under 500,000 brought to America — and its present-day legacy demanded legal recognition, they said. And almost two decades ago, these activists started to get their way in the form of race-based quotas at universities.

For Brazil’s black activists, however, the breach of the country’s unofficial color-blindness has also been accompanied by suspicion over race fraud: people taking advantage of affirmative action policies never meant for them in the first place.

“These spots are for people who are phenotypically black,” Mailson Santiago, a history major at the Federal University of Pelotas and a member of the student activist group Setorial Negro, told me. “It’s not for people with black grandmothers.”

My Taki’s column was inspired by a NYT column by a lady boasting that her phenotypically white child will still enjoy black privilege in the U.S. because he identifies as black.

But in a country as uniquely diverse as Brazil — where 43 percent of citizens identify as mixed-race, and 30 percent of those who think of themselves as white have black ancestors — it’s not immediately clear where the line between races should be drawn, nor who should get to draw it, and using what criteria. These questions have now engulfed college campuses, the public sector, and the courts.

A state of racial vigilance permeated campuses across at least six states in 2016. …

“It divided our program,” admits Marlon Deleon, a black second-semester medical student at UFPel who enrolled through the university’s racial quotas system and personally reported on a classmate who did the same, but whom Deleon described as “flagrantly white and blond.”

“A lot of students thought of this as a new inquisition, as a witch hunt,” Deleon said. “But there were many of us who believed it was the right thing to do.” …

The United States has provided Brazil with the most direct blueprint for affirmative action. But the two countries’ divergent histories have left them with distinct understandings of race.

Relationships across black-white boundaries have always been rare in the United States. … Meanwhile, race was codified into laws determining that even one drop of African ancestry rendered a person legally black.

Unlike in America, “miscegenation” played an integral role in Brazilian nation-building. …

Brazil’s government launched a full-on propaganda and policy effort to “whiten” Brazil: It closed the country’s borders to African immigrants, denied black Brazilians the rights to lands inhabited by the descendants of runaway slaves, and subsidized the voyage of millions of German and Italian workers, providing them with citizenship, land grants, and stipends when they arrived.

Booker T. Washington once famously pointed out in 1895 that the US Establishment was doing the same thing: promoting Ellis Island immigration to keep from having to employ African-Americans. His Cast Down Ye Buckets Where Ye Are speech used to be famous, but got memory holed by the rise of A Nation of Immigrants ideology over the last generation or two.

Today, Brazilians see themselves as falling across a spectrum of skin colors with a dizzying assortment of names: burnt white, brown, dark nut, light nut, black, and copper are a few of the 136 categories that the census department, in a 1976 study, found Brazilians to use for self-identification. …

What ultimately binds these definitions together is an awareness that the less “black” a person looks, the better — better for securing jobs, better for social mobility.

Consider two sisters. They have the same ancestors but one looks whiter than the other. In Brazil, the one who looks whiter will go through life getting all sorts of advantages. In the U.S., in contrast, most of the color discrimination would occur among blacks (or especially among Hispanics if they interact with them), but affirmative action programs don’t come with gradations: you are in or you are out. Similarly, white people in America are taught to conceptualize blacks as homogeneous, so that barely anybody questions why, say, Susan Rice’s children get black privilege in terms of affirmative action.

Of course, it turns out that in America most of the benefits of black privilege go to those who qualify by ancestry for blackness but were raised as whitely as possible: e.g., our recent Honolulu preppie President.

Lots more good stuff in this article about Brazil. Read it there.

 
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  1. Diversity is product of imperialism

    “As the proudly mixed-race country grapples with its legacy of slavery”

    Proud of what? Mixing races through imperialism and slavery?

  2. What I find very suspicious is that all this is happening at the same time Crayola eliminated one color crayon and installed another.

    Hmm…

    (Solution: Forget color. Ignore ancestry. Let’s have affirmative action based on butt size. That would promote blacks while still keeping Asians down.)

    • LOL: Abe
    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I can't understand (as a Canadian) why anyone other than descendants of slaves or descendants of the original natives should get any preferential treatment at all.

    In Canada, natives do qualify for extra goodies (but never enough, of course).

  3. So when he applied to a prestigious medical program at the Federal University of Pelotas, in the southern tip of Brazil, he took advantage of recent legislation that set aside places for black, brown, and indigenous students across the country’s public institutions.

    Affirmative action for a prestigious medical program ~shudders~. If the point is to fight racism, that makes decent, well-meaning folks a hell of a lot more inclined to be prejudiced against black, brown, and indigenous professionals in medicine and other high-skill careers.

  4. hmmmm one thinks DNA testing would be far more accurate but then what happens if you need 40% African for affirmative action and your DNA comes back at 39%?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @George Taylor

    In Brazil, phenotypes and genotypes appear to diverge more than in the U.S. In Brazil, people say things like, "Do you know my sister? She's white!"

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @John

    , @utu
    @George Taylor

    Two siblings may have different percentages of "African DNA" and the one that has a higher percentage is not necessarily of market complexion.

    , @Lot
    @George Taylor

    It would cost about $300 per person. That is a lot for Brazil.

  5. Unlike in America, “miscegenation” played an integral role in Brazilian nation-building. …

    Unlike Brazil, America became a super power.

    • LOL: Anonym
    • Replies: @Slaughter
    @anonymous

    USA was fucking easy mode. Vast ocean separating from any threats, canucks and mexicans for neighboors, a lot of good land with European climate which means european cultures work in most of the USA, another ocean. Also a lot of coal and oil.

    Meanwhile, we had to fight off the spanish, the french and the dutch, the dutch once did a big invasion that lasted decades, then we had to thwart argentinean ambitions on the Plata, then we got kamikazed by paraguayan mad dogs who fought nearly to the last man. Like 10% of our territory has a europe-like climate (the south), the rest is a bunch of tropical hills, semi-desert crap (Northeast hinterland and part of Center-West), swamps and the world's biggest jungle*. Brazilian coal is only a little (also it sucks), and most of our oil reserves are TEN THOUSAND LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA lol.

    (not to mention slavery meant the rural elites were a problem for industrialization, and the ACW either delayed the abolition or slavery or stopped a civil war over it)

    Your ancestors got to live in cushy Europe 2.0, we turned hell into paradise.

    Also things would be a lot better if Deodoro the Traitor (may God thrown him into the lake of fire) didn't depose the Emperor and turn Brazil into a generic latin-american republic. Then we had a interregnum of like 40 years of imbeciles followed by sane persons followed by more imbeciles in charge. Until Vargas. We had keynesian policies which helped development then, but idiots didn't realize it was time to pull the brakes in the late 70s and go Laissez-Faire.

    Then in the 80s, socialists and globalists took over and have been in charge ever since, corrupting what was once a poor but traditional country with dignity, into a anarcho-tyranny. But things will change, soon. There's are many millions of men and women with the right ideas, the will and the plan. The liars and crooks are being brought into the light. They will pay, one way or another, for their evil.

    In 2018, the change will start! Brazil will have its time in the sun! God wills it!

    *Try reading a bit about agriculture in the amazon.

  6. @George Taylor
    hmmmm one thinks DNA testing would be far more accurate but then what happens if you need 40% African for affirmative action and your DNA comes back at 39%?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @utu, @Lot

    In Brazil, phenotypes and genotypes appear to diverge more than in the U.S. In Brazil, people say things like, “Do you know my sister? She’s white!”

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    In Brazil, phenotypes and genotypes appear to diverge more than in the U.S. In Brazil, people say things like, “Do you know my sister? She’s white!”
     
    Sounds like a good place for studying race and IQ. E.g., compare the IQs of Brazilians who are classified as White but possess high levels of Sub-Saharan African ancestry with people who are classified as Black but possess high levels of European ancestry.....
    , @Lot
    @Steve Sailer


    In Brazil, phenotypes and genotypes appear to diverge more than in the U.S. In Brazil, people say things like, “Do you know my sister? She’s white!”
     
    There is one particular gene that has a very strong effect on skin color. 97+% of Europeans have two copies of the white gene, while 90%+ of Africans and full blood Native Americans have two copies of the dark gene. But in a well mixed mulatto pool, you will certainly have many cases of two heterozygote parents having two kids with double white or double black genes and very different skin colors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLC24A5

    The derived threonine allele (Ala111Thr; also known as A111T or Thr111) represented 98.7 to 100% of the alleles in European samples, while the ancestral or alanine form was found in 93 to 100% of samples of Sub-Saharan Africans, East Asians and Indigenous Americans. The variation is a SNP polymorphism rs1426654, which had been previously shown to be second among 3011 tabulated SNPs ranked as ancestry-informative markers. This single change in SLC24A5 explains between 25 and 38% of the difference in skin melanin index between peoples of sub-Saharan African and European ancestry.
     

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @PiltdownMan

    , @John
    @Steve Sailer

    Or perhaps the sister's name was Branca. Seems to me in my 30+ years of visiting Brazil and other lusophone countries, I have come across that. And even if I haven't, well, simply Googling "Branca" plus some common Portuguese surname like "Silva" or "Fonseca" turns up actual people.

    As for Brazilians liking cheating, that's not what I've noticed: people there have struck me as real by-the-bookers, great respecters of legal punctilio, and even if you don't understand what you're looking at, you can tell Brazilians are always ready to wait patiently in long lines. Anyway, Googling brasileiros que trapaceiam, I get hits for Pokemon Go and mixed martial arts, neither of which was a national craze the last I looked.

    And as for Brazilians "grappling" with any aspect of their history, that's just journalist-talk. Such grappling is purely voluntary, and few normal folks volunteer. Brazilians thinking about slavery? Shoot, I've never even noticed ex-Yugoslavs thinking about communism. It was here. It went away. Having it didn't put steak on the table before. Why should remembering it put steak on the table now?

  7. In the ex-colonies of Spain, the Casta still reigns supremo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @CK

    The Las Castas painting on the Wiki page at the Museo del Virreinato in Tepotzotlán is fantastic. Saltapatras, meaning throwback, is one of the categories. It's a pretty wall hanging and a handy chart to help maintain records in a public administration building, as it was in the early 1800s.

    It's what Brazil needs to manage it's affirmative action. And it's what America needs now that we've democratically decided to become a Casta nation ourselves.

    , @Temples and Ashes
    @CK


    In the ex-colonies of Spain, the Casta still reigns supremo.
     
    Not really relevant, since Brazil was a colony of Portugal.
  8. Of course, it turns out that in America most of the benefits of black privilege go to those who qualify by ancestry for blackness but were raised as whitely as possible: e.g., our recent Honolulu preppie President.

    Obama was chosen by democrat party recruiters as much for his queerness and his dishonesty as he was chosen for his afro heritage.

    The federal test for Afro-blackness is based on having documents demonstrating ancestral self-identification of negro heritage.

    All Afro-Blacks in the US, whether light or dark complexion, receive the same group entitlements:

    1. Government enforced Affirmative Action for Afro-blacks
    2. Government 8A set-aside contracts for Afro-black owned businesses
    3. Deliberate broadcast media and government misrepresentation of violent felony Afro-black crime wave
    4. Frequent mass Afro-black rioting, assaulting, looting and arson without prosecution or suppression
    5. Afro-Black terrorists organizations operate freely in public (Black Panthers, BLM, Blood and Crips, Nation of Islam, Million Man March)
    6. Servile government support for historically black colleges and afro-black scholarship programs
    7. Unprosecuted afro-black Panther intimidation of voters at polls
    8. Politically partisan Afro-black churches and associations granted tax exempt status
    9. Most Afro-black children’s welfare financed by taxpayers
    10.Government anti-discrimination laws for Afro-blacks
    11.Hate speech law prosecutions in favor of Afro-blacks, and other protected classes
    12.Preferential immigration, asylum, and citizenship for Afro-blacks
    13. Disproportionate number of Afro-blacks in cushy federal government employment
    14. Afro-black voters not required to display photo ID
    15. Unrealistic portrayal of Afro-blacks in movies and TV
    16. Afro-black civil right organizations financed and led by filthy rich protected class people
    17. Election of the most unbelievably stupid members of the US congress
    18. Afro-black dominated city’s bailout by county, state and federal taxpayer
    19. Afro-black history month
    20. Ridiculous Afro-black studies in public schools and colleges
    21. Astronomical Afro-black STD and HIV rates are not a controlled public health hazard
    22. Banks forced to give loans to Afro-blacks with bad credit
    23. White supremacists blamed for Afro-black false flag hate crimes
    24. At least 70% of afro-black children are bastards
    25. Afro-black Caucus in the US congress
    26. Sanctuary cities for Afro-blacks, and other protected classes
    27. Afro-black diversity scheme imposed on white majority nations
    28. Afro-black athlete and rapper thugs glorified by mass media
    29. Afro-black on white people crime rate is lopsided and extreme
    30. President of the US promotes undue entitlements for Afro-blacks and other diversity people
    31. Afro-black only organizations allowed by law, white-only organizations outlawed
    32. BLM terrorist demand and receive reduced policing in black majority areas
    33. Feds assist Afro-blacks to extort money and concessions from local city tax payers
    34. White Privilege crap taught in public schools and universities.
    35 Afro-black wilding assaults, flash mob robberies, mall riots, and knockout game is rampant and unprosecuted.
    36. Black scholarships allowed in public colleges, white scholarships are illegal.
    37. Feds give tax money to immigrant negroes to bribe them not to join ISIS.
    38. Lowered academic standards for afro-blacks and other diversity people in public service jobs
    39. Federal government coerces private businesses to implement diversity policies, or else suffer federal prosecution, denial of tax breaks and business licenses, and denial of federal contracts.
    40. Criminal blacks conspire to assassinate police, no hate crime charges and no domestic terrorism label
    41.Obama signs EO forcing public schools to stop disciplining black thugs in school
    42. Blacks commit hoax hate crimes and are never prosecuted for it.
    43. Blacks receive government sponsored grants to attend college, white Christian people get mostly loans and private grants.

  9. Last year, Brittany Stinson got into Stanford and 5 Ivy League schools. Her father is white and her mother is a Brazilian that identifies as black.

    https://twitter.com/LEONARDSIMPSON/status/718151499025682432

    Photo of mother: https://twitter.com/TSTINSON10?lang=en

    Stinson acknowledges that her status as the daughter of a Brazilian immigrant mother who identifies as black, and a white US-born father, likely gave her admissions case a boost.

    “I did declare my race and ethnicity on my applications. I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively,” she says, noting that she is also a proponent of affirmative action policies.
     
    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    At the same time, as clearly evidenced by Stinson, striving for diversity isn’t just about redress for past and present inequities. …

    https://qz.com/657374/a-high-schooler-was-accepted-to-five-ivy-league-colleges-with-an-essay-about-costco/

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Triumph104

    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    This doesn't hold up to even a brief analysis against the facts. That's Ivy League quality thinking?

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Triumph104

    She looks more Cuban than black. But I imagine her classmates will have to listen to her whine about her struggles as a minority for the next 4-8 years.

    ETA: Ugh. It's started already. She humble-brags in Cosmo about her essay going viral:

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/college/news/a58260/brittany-stinson-viral-costco-churros-college-essay-stanford/

    "According to internet commenters, my essay was narcissistic, brilliant, stupid, and even racist."

    Yeah, it's tough to be you, Brittany.

    , @JW Bell
    @Triumph104

    She's a case study for Razib Khan's opinion on how conformist ivy league students are.

    , @BB753
    @Triumph104

    I call BS on this one. In Brazil, her mother would identify as "parda", neither "mulata" or "preta" (black).

    Replies: @Gero

    , @Anonymous
    @Triumph104

    Many who criticize affirmative action think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student.

    Can she deny that she took the spot of an African American who is a descendant of U.S. slaves. Her "black" mother isn't even from the U.S. This is just sad and such a corruption of the idea of affirmative action. Our country is going down the tubes.

    , @anon
    @Triumph104

    "She is a proponent of affirmative action policies"..

    Gosh, I wonder why.

    , @Old fogey
    @Triumph104

    Isteve readers really have patience. I congratulate you all. I couldn't get past this phrase: "I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively.”

    These famous colleges were all willing to accept a student who expresses herself so poorly?

    , @Forbes
    @Triumph104

    Twenty years ago I had an office assistant who was a recent Columbia cum laude graduate who regaled me with stories of his Columbia classmates who had been AA admits/beneficiaries, yet were the children of South American diplomats and bankers that had grown up in NYC. They were the disadvantaged/underrepresented that needed preferences in admissions because they were Hispanic. He was just a poor kid from Brooklyn raised by a single mom (secretary in our office) who excelled academically.

    , @Ed
    @Triumph104

    Appalling but black American leaders would defend it. Until elite schools come to their senses in regards to diversity, expect more of the same.

  10. “As the proudly mixed-race country grapples with its legacy of slavery”

    Imagine a man raping a woman of another race, and then talking of the ‘proudly mixed child’ resulting from the rape.

  11. @Triumph104
    Last year, Brittany Stinson got into Stanford and 5 Ivy League schools. Her father is white and her mother is a Brazilian that identifies as black.

    https://twitter.com/LEONARDSIMPSON/status/718151499025682432

    Photo of mother: https://twitter.com/TSTINSON10?lang=en


    Stinson acknowledges that her status as the daughter of a Brazilian immigrant mother who identifies as black, and a white US-born father, likely gave her admissions case a boost.

    “I did declare my race and ethnicity on my applications. I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively,” she says, noting that she is also a proponent of affirmative action policies.
     
    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    At the same time, as clearly evidenced by Stinson, striving for diversity isn’t just about redress for past and present inequities. ...

    https://qz.com/657374/a-high-schooler-was-accepted-to-five-ivy-league-colleges-with-an-essay-about-costco/
     

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Cloudbuster, @JW Bell, @BB753, @Anonymous, @anon, @Old fogey, @Forbes, @Ed

    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    This doesn’t hold up to even a brief analysis against the facts. That’s Ivy League quality thinking?

  12. Since the black community has chosen to stand behind Shaun King instead of demanding a DNA test, they deserve every bit of infiltration they will get. There is no legal definition for black or Hispanic. Only American Indians are required to prove ancestry.

    Shaun King went to historically black Morehouse College on scholarship. It is literally the plot of Soul Man starring C. Thomas Howell, except King wasn’t smart enough for Harvard. Fun fact: Rae Dawn Chong is Tommy Chong’s daughter.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @WGG

    I never understood the fuss people like Milo make about Shaun King.

    He isn't White. His facial features are those of a light-skinned, mixed-race guy. He is much more obviously non-White than (say) the 1/4 Black Welsh soccer player Ryan Giggs.

    Replies: @biz

  13. • Replies: @anon
    @27 year old

    It happened.

    I'm quite annoyed by Trump's complete breaking of his campaign rhetoric but can't say I'm surprised.

    Let's just hope he's better domestically and limits our response in Syria to this.

    , @bored identity
    @27 year old

    To paraphrase Pa Cox:

    "The Wrong Country Got Bombed !!!"

    Little Rubio immediately praised Trump's wag the dog point of no return.

    'Nuff said.

    I guess, the Swamp was Too Big to Drain.

    The Owners are pleased, and Sheldon is sleeping tonight like a baby in Kuwaiti incubator.


    Bad for America.

  14. @Triumph104
    Last year, Brittany Stinson got into Stanford and 5 Ivy League schools. Her father is white and her mother is a Brazilian that identifies as black.

    https://twitter.com/LEONARDSIMPSON/status/718151499025682432

    Photo of mother: https://twitter.com/TSTINSON10?lang=en


    Stinson acknowledges that her status as the daughter of a Brazilian immigrant mother who identifies as black, and a white US-born father, likely gave her admissions case a boost.

    “I did declare my race and ethnicity on my applications. I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively,” she says, noting that she is also a proponent of affirmative action policies.
     
    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    At the same time, as clearly evidenced by Stinson, striving for diversity isn’t just about redress for past and present inequities. ...

    https://qz.com/657374/a-high-schooler-was-accepted-to-five-ivy-league-colleges-with-an-essay-about-costco/
     

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Cloudbuster, @JW Bell, @BB753, @Anonymous, @anon, @Old fogey, @Forbes, @Ed

    She looks more Cuban than black. But I imagine her classmates will have to listen to her whine about her struggles as a minority for the next 4-8 years.

    ETA: Ugh. It’s started already. She humble-brags in Cosmo about her essay going viral:

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/college/news/a58260/brittany-stinson-viral-costco-churros-college-essay-stanford/

    “According to internet commenters, my essay was narcissistic, brilliant, stupid, and even racist.”

    Yeah, it’s tough to be you, Brittany.

  15. affirmative-action race tribunals are measuring skull shape and nose width to determine who counts as disadvantaged.

    Someone alert the SJWs. This has to qualify as a macroaggression.

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @res


    affirmative-action race tribunals are measuring skull shape and nose width to determine who counts as disadvantaged.
     
    Where is Steven Gould when the world finally needs him?
    , @Kaz
    @res

    I think it's hilarious that Brazil is implementing tactics published by Jay Gould which have been since called bunk science.

  16. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “As the proudly mixed-race country grapples with its legacy of slavery, affirmative-action race tribunals are measuring skull shape and nose width to determine who counts as disadvantaged”

    It would make more sense to say ‘shamefully mixed’ since much of the mixing is the result of slavery, conquest, rape, and worse.

  17. @George Taylor
    hmmmm one thinks DNA testing would be far more accurate but then what happens if you need 40% African for affirmative action and your DNA comes back at 39%?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @utu, @Lot

    Two siblings may have different percentages of “African DNA” and the one that has a higher percentage is not necessarily of market complexion.

  18. From the linked FP article, ” … although for the women, they were rarely consensual.”

    White settlers skewed heavily male, and they were vastly outnumbered by people of color. Relationships between white settlers and indigenous, and latter black enslaved women, were not only accepted, but encouraged by colonial authorities (although for the women, they were rarely consensual).

    I went looking for a source. Then I looked for the FP comment section to protest. Then I remembered why I cancelled my subscription to Foreign Policy.

  19. Consider two sisters. They have the same ancestors but one looks whiter than the other. In Brazil, the one who looks whiter will go through life getting all sorts of advantages. In the U.S., in contrast, most of the color discrimination would occur among blacks (or especially among Hispanics if they interact with them), but affirmative action programs don’t come with gradations: you are in or you are out. Similarly, white people in America are taught to conceptualize blacks as homogeneous, so that barely anybody questions why, say, Susan Rice’s children get black privilege in terms of affirmative action.

    Cf Kidada and Rashida Jones:

    RASHIDA: I wouldn’t trade my family for anything. My mother shocked her Jewish parents by marrying out of her religion and race. And my father: growing up poor and black, buckling the odds and becoming so successful, having the attitude of “I love this woman! We’re going to have babies and to hell with anyone who doesn’t like it!”

    KIDADA: We had a sweet, encapsulated family. We were our own little world. But there’s the warmth of love inside a family, and then there’s the outside world. When I was born in 1974, there were almost no other biracial families–or black families–in our neighborhood. I was brown-skinned with short, curly hair. Mommy would take me out in my stroller and people would say, “What a beautiful baby…whose is it?” Rashida came along in 1976. She had straight hair and lighter skin. My eyes were brown; hers were green. IN preschool, our mother enrolled us in the Buckley School, an exclusive private school. It was almost all white.

    KIDADA: While Rashida wore girly dresses, I loved my Mr. T dolls and my Jaws T-shirt. But seeing the straight hair like the other girls had, like my sister had…I felt: “It’s not fair! I want that hair!”

    KIDADA: I was kicked out of Buckley in second grade for behavior problems. I didn’t want my mother to come to my new school. If kids saw her, it would be: “your mom’s white!” I told Mom she couldn’t pick me up; she had to wait down the street in her car. Did Rashida have that problem? No! She passed for white.

    RASHIDA: “Passed”?! I had no control over how I looked. This is my natural hair, these are my natural eyes! I’ve never tried to be anything that I’m not. Today I feel guilty, knowing that because of the way our genes tumbled out, Kidada had to go through pain I didn’t have to endure. Loving her so much, I’m sad that I’ll never share that experience with her.

    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.

    PEGGY: As Kidada grew older, it became clear that she wouldn’t be comfortable unless she was around kids who looked more like her. So I searched for a private school that had a good proportion of black students, and when she was 12, I found one.

    KIDADA: That changed everything. I’d go to my black girlfriends’ houses and–I wanted their life! I lived in a gated house in a gated neighborhood, where playdates were: “My security will call your security.” Going to my black friends’ houses, I saw a world that was warm and real, where families sat down for dinner together. At our house, Rashida and I often ate dinner on trays, watching TV in Anna’s room, because our dada was composing and performing at night and Mom sat in on his sessions.

    KIDADA: I’m sure that’s true, but I experienced all that heart and soul in black families. I started putting pressure on Mommy to let me go to a mostly black public school. I was on her and on her and on her. I wouldn’t let up until she said yes.

    PEGGY: So one day when Kidada was 14, we drove to Fairfax High, where I gave a fake address and enrolled her.

    RASHIDA: “As a black person at Harvard, the lighter you were, the blacker you had to act. I tried hard to be accepted by the girls who were the gatekeepers to Harvard’s black community. One day I joined them as usual at their cafeteria table. I said, “Hey!”–real friendly. Silence. I remember chewing my food in that dead, ominous silence. Finally, one girl spoke. She accused me of hitting on one of their boyfriends over the weekend. It was untrue, but I think what was really eating her was that she thought I was trying to take away a smart, good-looking black man–and being light-skinned, I wasn’t “allowed” to do that. I was hurt, angry. I called Kidada in New York crying. She said, “Tell her what you feel!” So I called the girl and…I really ripped her a new one. But after that, I felt insidious intimidation from that group. The next year there was a black guy I really liked, but I didn’t have the courage to pursue him. Sometimes I think of him and how different my life might be if I hadn’t been so chicken.”

    https://bossip.com/623483/rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/2/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    I remember first seeing Rashida Jones on The Office, and thought she was fairly attractive. It never even occurred to me that she was "black" until I read it somewhere.

    I'll be curious to see what people say if Prince Harry eventually produces an Eighth-Blood Prince.

    Maybe I'm way off-base, but it strikes me that white men find women who are very slightly black to be more attractive than average, but attractiveness drops precipitiously as blackness goes up. Maybe this is the kernel of truth underlying the black academic feminist idea that white men have always lusted after black women.

    (I'm white.) The few times I've felt clear lustful or romantic feeling towards phenotypically (and very occasionally very much so) black women, their emotional warmth has played a far greater role than their physical look.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @attilathehen
    @syonredux

    Rashida looks black.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Shaq
    @syonredux

    Harvard? I assume it was Buddy Fletcher....

  20. …affirmative-action race tribunals are measuring skull shape and nose width to determine who counts as disadvantaged.

    Amazing. Textbooks used to be full of horror stories about Nazi race tribunals, with of pictures of Nazi scientists measuring skulls and noses to determine how to define a Jew as opposed to an Aryan. The theme was always about how this was the corruption of science, because race doesn’t exist and we’re all equal.

    But now it’s OK to measure skulls and noses to determine who is or is not black so that blacks can get preferential treatment. Race doesn’t exist — until it does.

    (By the way, wouldn’t a DNA test be a more objective, empirical standard of racial measurement than measuring skulls and noses? Seems to me if we really want to go down this road it should be a lot easier to do in the 21st century than it was in the 20th.)

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Dr. X

    Brazilians don't discriminate on ancestry -- they discriminate on skin-tone and apparently physical features.

    This woman was not stripped of her role as Miss Globeleza because she was black, but because she was dark-skinned. WARNING NSFW: LINK

  21. @Triumph104
    Last year, Brittany Stinson got into Stanford and 5 Ivy League schools. Her father is white and her mother is a Brazilian that identifies as black.

    https://twitter.com/LEONARDSIMPSON/status/718151499025682432

    Photo of mother: https://twitter.com/TSTINSON10?lang=en


    Stinson acknowledges that her status as the daughter of a Brazilian immigrant mother who identifies as black, and a white US-born father, likely gave her admissions case a boost.

    “I did declare my race and ethnicity on my applications. I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively,” she says, noting that she is also a proponent of affirmative action policies.
     
    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    At the same time, as clearly evidenced by Stinson, striving for diversity isn’t just about redress for past and present inequities. ...

    https://qz.com/657374/a-high-schooler-was-accepted-to-five-ivy-league-colleges-with-an-essay-about-costco/
     

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Cloudbuster, @JW Bell, @BB753, @Anonymous, @anon, @Old fogey, @Forbes, @Ed

    She’s a case study for Razib Khan’s opinion on how conformist ivy league students are.

  22. @Steve Sailer
    @George Taylor

    In Brazil, phenotypes and genotypes appear to diverge more than in the U.S. In Brazil, people say things like, "Do you know my sister? She's white!"

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @John

    In Brazil, phenotypes and genotypes appear to diverge more than in the U.S. In Brazil, people say things like, “Do you know my sister? She’s white!”

    Sounds like a good place for studying race and IQ. E.g., compare the IQs of Brazilians who are classified as White but possess high levels of Sub-Saharan African ancestry with people who are classified as Black but possess high levels of European ancestry…..

  23. Is the Brazilian state of Pelotas named after the national sport?

  24. @George Taylor
    hmmmm one thinks DNA testing would be far more accurate but then what happens if you need 40% African for affirmative action and your DNA comes back at 39%?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @utu, @Lot

    It would cost about $300 per person. That is a lot for Brazil.

  25. @27 year old
    OT- Well, it was a good run

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-06/stocks-tank-after-tillerson-warns-russia-coalition-steps-underway-remove-assad

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-06/chatter-syrian-airstrikes-soon-tonight

    Replies: @anon, @bored identity

    It happened.

    I’m quite annoyed by Trump’s complete breaking of his campaign rhetoric but can’t say I’m surprised.

    Let’s just hope he’s better domestically and limits our response in Syria to this.

  26. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @George Taylor

    In Brazil, phenotypes and genotypes appear to diverge more than in the U.S. In Brazil, people say things like, "Do you know my sister? She's white!"

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @John

    In Brazil, phenotypes and genotypes appear to diverge more than in the U.S. In Brazil, people say things like, “Do you know my sister? She’s white!”

    There is one particular gene that has a very strong effect on skin color. 97+% of Europeans have two copies of the white gene, while 90%+ of Africans and full blood Native Americans have two copies of the dark gene. But in a well mixed mulatto pool, you will certainly have many cases of two heterozygote parents having two kids with double white or double black genes and very different skin colors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLC24A5

    The derived threonine allele (Ala111Thr; also known as A111T or Thr111) represented 98.7 to 100% of the alleles in European samples, while the ancestral or alanine form was found in 93 to 100% of samples of Sub-Saharan Africans, East Asians and Indigenous Americans. The variation is a SNP polymorphism rs1426654, which had been previously shown to be second among 3011 tabulated SNPs ranked as ancestry-informative markers. This single change in SLC24A5 explains between 25 and 38% of the difference in skin melanin index between peoples of sub-Saharan African and European ancestry.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Lot

    Just throwing this into the mix. Good example of polygenic probablility.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Lot


    There is one particular gene that has a very strong effect on skin color. 97+% of Europeans have two copies of the white gene, while 90%+ of Africans and full blood Native Americans have two copies of the dark gene. But in a well mixed mulatto pool, you will certainly have many cases of two heterozygote parents having two kids with double white or double black genes and very different skin colors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLC24A5
     
    One white, one black, and two khaki?
  27. OT: Trump apparently fired about 60 cruise missiles on an airfield at Syria.

    A lot of people are saying that this chemical gas attack seems like a false flag, and that’s my thinking as well. It seems like Trump is getting duped. Maybe, maybe not. Possibly he is also sending a message to North Korea (and visiting Xi Jinping) about his potential responses to provocation.

  28. Woke up and we are bombing fucking Syria.

    I need a drink. What a fucking mess.

  29. @res

    affirmative-action race tribunals are measuring skull shape and nose width to determine who counts as disadvantaged.
     
    Someone alert the SJWs. This has to qualify as a macroaggression.

    Replies: @anonguy, @Kaz

    affirmative-action race tribunals are measuring skull shape and nose width to determine who counts as disadvantaged.

    Where is Steven Gould when the world finally needs him?

  30. @Triumph104
    Last year, Brittany Stinson got into Stanford and 5 Ivy League schools. Her father is white and her mother is a Brazilian that identifies as black.

    https://twitter.com/LEONARDSIMPSON/status/718151499025682432

    Photo of mother: https://twitter.com/TSTINSON10?lang=en


    Stinson acknowledges that her status as the daughter of a Brazilian immigrant mother who identifies as black, and a white US-born father, likely gave her admissions case a boost.

    “I did declare my race and ethnicity on my applications. I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively,” she says, noting that she is also a proponent of affirmative action policies.
     
    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    At the same time, as clearly evidenced by Stinson, striving for diversity isn’t just about redress for past and present inequities. ...

    https://qz.com/657374/a-high-schooler-was-accepted-to-five-ivy-league-colleges-with-an-essay-about-costco/
     

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Cloudbuster, @JW Bell, @BB753, @Anonymous, @anon, @Old fogey, @Forbes, @Ed

    I call BS on this one. In Brazil, her mother would identify as “parda”, neither “mulata” or “preta” (black).

    • Replies: @Gero
    @BB753

    People never use the term "pardo" as self-identification in Brazil. This is used only in government questionaries. The most used term in Brazil is "morena". This term is used to describe from a pure white skin person with black/brown hair to a racial pure black person.

    In reality, few people like to be described as "black" in Brazil, too. Pure blacks often feel offended to be described as blacks. I have personal experiences about this.:
    One day, I used the term "preta" to describe a black girl in the laboratory that I was working. The white girls with me, became shocked and told me not to use the term "preta", because it´s racist. They told me a more appropriate term to be used "morena".

    In other situation I looked at a guy with very marked andean features and asked if he was a peruvian. I got it right, and excited I told him, that I easily perceived his "native indian" face". We became friends, and long after, remembering this first day, he friendly told me that is not correct to use the term "native indian" for a "native indian" in Peru. The correct term is "peruvian".

    On the other hand, if you are a blond blue eyed guy or a East Asian and are described as "german" or "japanese", this is not looked as offenses. In parties, people that know each other for only 30 minutes, call other people as "german" or "japanese" and never receave hostility.

    Latin America is the most integrated and mixed multiracial region in the world. The losers are not minorities. Because all of this, blacks, native indians and mixed people feel shame of their race in a more explicit way.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @BB753

  31. How could they prove that you were not black or Hispanic? What methods could they possibly employ?

  32. The Department of Education in Para, Brazil’s blackest state, attempted to fulfill the decree with a checklist, which leaked to the press. Among the criteria to be scored: Is the job candidate’s nose short, wide and flat? How thick are their lips? Are their gums sufficiently purple? What about their lower jaw? Does it protrude forward? Candidates were to be awarded points per item, like “hair type” and “skull shape.” In response to the leaked test, one college professor from the state wrote on Facebook, “We’re going back to the slave trade. During job interviews they’re gonna stick their hands in our mouth to inspect our teeth.”

    But black activists say such measures are unavoidable. “A person who does not look phenotypically black is not the one getting killed by police every 23 minutes,” said Santos, the law student and Coletivo Negrada member. “So long as this is how racism manifests itself here, we need to ensure that the people taking up admission spots in universities are the ones with these characteristics.”

  33. “A person who does not look phenotypically black is not the one getting killed by police every 23 minutes.”

    By my calculations that means the Brazilian police kill 23,000 blacks per year. I seriously doubt that to be the case.

  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Consider two sisters. They have the same ancestors but one looks whiter than the other. In Brazil, the one who looks whiter will go through life getting all sorts of advantages. In the U.S., in contrast, most of the color discrimination would occur among blacks (or especially among Hispanics if they interact with them), but affirmative action programs don’t come with gradations: you are in or you are out. Similarly, white people in America are taught to conceptualize blacks as homogeneous, so that barely anybody questions why, say, Susan Rice’s children get black privilege in terms of affirmative action.
     
    Cf Kidada and Rashida Jones:

    RASHIDA: I wouldn’t trade my family for anything. My mother shocked her Jewish parents by marrying out of her religion and race. And my father: growing up poor and black, buckling the odds and becoming so successful, having the attitude of “I love this woman! We’re going to have babies and to hell with anyone who doesn’t like it!”

    KIDADA: We had a sweet, encapsulated family. We were our own little world. But there’s the warmth of love inside a family, and then there’s the outside world. When I was born in 1974, there were almost no other biracial families–or black families–in our neighborhood. I was brown-skinned with short, curly hair. Mommy would take me out in my stroller and people would say, “What a beautiful baby…whose is it?” Rashida came along in 1976. She had straight hair and lighter skin. My eyes were brown; hers were green. IN preschool, our mother enrolled us in the Buckley School, an exclusive private school. It was almost all white.
     


    KIDADA: While Rashida wore girly dresses, I loved my Mr. T dolls and my Jaws T-shirt. But seeing the straight hair like the other girls had, like my sister had…I felt: “It’s not fair! I want that hair!”

     


    KIDADA: I was kicked out of Buckley in second grade for behavior problems. I didn’t want my mother to come to my new school. If kids saw her, it would be: “your mom’s white!” I told Mom she couldn’t pick me up; she had to wait down the street in her car. Did Rashida have that problem? No! She passed for white.

    RASHIDA: “Passed”?! I had no control over how I looked. This is my natural hair, these are my natural eyes! I’ve never tried to be anything that I’m not. Today I feel guilty, knowing that because of the way our genes tumbled out, Kidada had to go through pain I didn’t have to endure. Loving her so much, I’m sad that I’ll never share that experience with her.
     


    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.
     

    PEGGY: As Kidada grew older, it became clear that she wouldn’t be comfortable unless she was around kids who looked more like her. So I searched for a private school that had a good proportion of black students, and when she was 12, I found one.

     


    KIDADA: That changed everything. I’d go to my black girlfriends’ houses and–I wanted their life! I lived in a gated house in a gated neighborhood, where playdates were: “My security will call your security.” Going to my black friends’ houses, I saw a world that was warm and real, where families sat down for dinner together. At our house, Rashida and I often ate dinner on trays, watching TV in Anna’s room, because our dada was composing and performing at night and Mom sat in on his sessions.

     


    KIDADA: I’m sure that’s true, but I experienced all that heart and soul in black families. I started putting pressure on Mommy to let me go to a mostly black public school. I was on her and on her and on her. I wouldn’t let up until she said yes.

    PEGGY: So one day when Kidada was 14, we drove to Fairfax High, where I gave a fake address and enrolled her.
     

    RASHIDA: "As a black person at Harvard, the lighter you were, the blacker you had to act. I tried hard to be accepted by the girls who were the gatekeepers to Harvard’s black community. One day I joined them as usual at their cafeteria table. I said, “Hey!”–real friendly. Silence. I remember chewing my food in that dead, ominous silence. Finally, one girl spoke. She accused me of hitting on one of their boyfriends over the weekend. It was untrue, but I think what was really eating her was that she thought I was trying to take away a smart, good-looking black man–and being light-skinned, I wasn’t “allowed” to do that. I was hurt, angry. I called Kidada in New York crying. She said, “Tell her what you feel!” So I called the girl and…I really ripped her a new one. But after that, I felt insidious intimidation from that group. The next year there was a black guy I really liked, but I didn’t have the courage to pursue him. Sometimes I think of him and how different my life might be if I hadn’t been so chicken."

    https://bossip.com/623483/rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/2/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Shaq

    I remember first seeing Rashida Jones on The Office, and thought she was fairly attractive. It never even occurred to me that she was “black” until I read it somewhere.

    I’ll be curious to see what people say if Prince Harry eventually produces an Eighth-Blood Prince.

    Maybe I’m way off-base, but it strikes me that white men find women who are very slightly black to be more attractive than average, but attractiveness drops precipitiously as blackness goes up. Maybe this is the kernel of truth underlying the black academic feminist idea that white men have always lusted after black women.

    (I’m white.) The few times I’ve felt clear lustful or romantic feeling towards phenotypically (and very occasionally very much so) black women, their emotional warmth has played a far greater role than their physical look.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    Wow, I watched "The Office" and it never occurred to me that Rashida Jones was "black" or even a tiny bit black. It makes Michael Scott's comment when he first met her even better.

    MICHAEL SCOTT: Wow, you are really exotic looking. Was your dad a GI?

  35. @27 year old
    OT- Well, it was a good run

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-06/stocks-tank-after-tillerson-warns-russia-coalition-steps-underway-remove-assad

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-06/chatter-syrian-airstrikes-soon-tonight

    Replies: @anon, @bored identity

    To paraphrase Pa Cox:

    “The Wrong Country Got Bombed !!!”

    Little Rubio immediately praised Trump’s wag the dog point of no return.

    ‘Nuff said.

    I guess, the Swamp was Too Big to Drain.

    The Owners are pleased, and Sheldon is sleeping tonight like a baby in Kuwaiti incubator.

    Bad for America.

  36. @Lot
    @Steve Sailer


    In Brazil, phenotypes and genotypes appear to diverge more than in the U.S. In Brazil, people say things like, “Do you know my sister? She’s white!”
     
    There is one particular gene that has a very strong effect on skin color. 97+% of Europeans have two copies of the white gene, while 90%+ of Africans and full blood Native Americans have two copies of the dark gene. But in a well mixed mulatto pool, you will certainly have many cases of two heterozygote parents having two kids with double white or double black genes and very different skin colors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLC24A5

    The derived threonine allele (Ala111Thr; also known as A111T or Thr111) represented 98.7 to 100% of the alleles in European samples, while the ancestral or alanine form was found in 93 to 100% of samples of Sub-Saharan Africans, East Asians and Indigenous Americans. The variation is a SNP polymorphism rs1426654, which had been previously shown to be second among 3011 tabulated SNPs ranked as ancestry-informative markers. This single change in SLC24A5 explains between 25 and 38% of the difference in skin melanin index between peoples of sub-Saharan African and European ancestry.
     

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @PiltdownMan

    Just throwing this into the mix. Good example of polygenic probablility.

  37. OT: Trump totally caved. I am devastated how he fell for the lies of what really happened in Syria. He is played big time – White Helmets, my ass. Assad had nothing to do with this. Russia had nothing to do with this. The Sarin gas bombs belonged to ISIS/Al Nusra/Al Qaeda…paid & and provided for by USA, EU, NATO, Israel, blah, blah, blah. It’s all about money, control, control of resources. All these people only care about money. I’ve always said that on this blog, and in my life.

    I am so sad. I can no longer support Trump…or anyone in the USA. All of govt sucks…they’re all corrupt and dirty….blech. Let’s just quit flirting with Thermo Nuclear War with Russia…let’s just do it…Nike, Just Do It. Either the USA goes full nuclear with Russia…or they put up & shut up! May all the evil govt apparatchiks and leaders of USA & EU & Israel, Gulf States, suffer in the future; and remember their lies upon lies, upon more lies – they don’t give a rat’s ass about children, pleez. As a mother, this was the most disgusting narrative today. Let’s bomb people and kill people because “that’s who we are.” That is really who we (not me) are. Americans and EU, Israel, Gulf states like to kill; obviously…and it is always about making money/grabbing resources, land. ISIS just pulled the wool over so many really stupid guys…and some women, who love the taste of blood, too. Trump is so over. Welcome to the Decline of the Western World. The entire Western World, along with the Gulf States & Israel, just gave a major victory for the Islamic State…what a bunch of rubes. I am disgusted with them all.

    • Disagree: Thea
    • Replies: @Thea
    @Lagertha

    I meant to hit agree!! sorry.

    Our goose is cooked. Adios America indeed.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    , @anonymous
    @Lagertha

    Maybe, and this is a very long shot, maybe this will be a Bay of Pigs learning moment for Trump.

    I doubt it, but maybe somehow he'll see the light and realize all the military brass and intelligence wizards were all just lying their eyes out.

    Maybe he'll clean house and trust no one. I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

    But, like I said, I doubt it.

    I think you're probably right - we're screwed.

    , @Frau Katze
    @Lagertha

    Let's see how it plays out before coming to such drastic conclusions.

    The US lobbed some missiles. They might do nothing else. Note also


    Russia, which had troops on the targeted air base, was warned in advance of the U.S. strike and the military took pains to target only the parts of the base where the Russians weren’t located, a military official said.
     
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-launches-cruise-missiles-at-syrian-regime-airbase-in-response-to-chemical-attack-1491528268

    It could be an opportunity for Putin to tell Assad, "Don't don't again."

    Trump would look weak if he did nothing at all. Warning the Russians sounds like he is not burning his bridges just yet.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Lagertha

    The neocons are running this administration now.

    I had a bad feeling when Trump removed Bannon yesterday.....

    Secretary Tillerson said the goal is to remove Assad. So apparently we'll be sending ground troops and occupying the country, like we did in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @Lagertha

    , @Escher
    @Lagertha

    Trump will generate jobs for people in the flyover states that voted him into power by drafting their young men into the army, to be cannon fodder for the neocons.

    Replies: @Lagertha

  38. OT

    Diversity strikes again an American citizen.

    The elderly man was born in Gambia and recently arrived in France.

  39. OT

    What Trump just did is as bad as Bush. Unacceptable, he borrowed Hilary’s foreign policy. His little rat of a son-in-law is involved.

    Bannon 2020!

  40. Speaking of Barry and Susan, has anyone ever seen them together with U-Doggy and Polly?Bow – wow.

  41. @Lagertha
    OT: Trump totally caved. I am devastated how he fell for the lies of what really happened in Syria. He is played big time - White Helmets, my ass. Assad had nothing to do with this. Russia had nothing to do with this. The Sarin gas bombs belonged to ISIS/Al Nusra/Al Qaeda...paid & and provided for by USA, EU, NATO, Israel, blah, blah, blah. It's all about money, control, control of resources. All these people only care about money. I've always said that on this blog, and in my life.

    I am so sad. I can no longer support Trump...or anyone in the USA. All of govt sucks...they're all corrupt and dirty....blech. Let's just quit flirting with Thermo Nuclear War with Russia...let's just do it...Nike, Just Do It. Either the USA goes full nuclear with Russia...or they put up & shut up! May all the evil govt apparatchiks and leaders of USA & EU & Israel, Gulf States, suffer in the future; and remember their lies upon lies, upon more lies - they don't give a rat's ass about children, pleez. As a mother, this was the most disgusting narrative today. Let's bomb people and kill people because "that's who we are." That is really who we (not me) are. Americans and EU, Israel, Gulf states like to kill; obviously...and it is always about making money/grabbing resources, land. ISIS just pulled the wool over so many really stupid guys...and some women, who love the taste of blood, too. Trump is so over. Welcome to the Decline of the Western World. The entire Western World, along with the Gulf States & Israel, just gave a major victory for the Islamic State...what a bunch of rubes. I am disgusted with them all.

    Replies: @Thea, @anonymous, @Frau Katze, @JohnnyWalker123, @Escher

    I meant to hit agree!! sorry.

    Our goose is cooked. Adios America indeed.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Thea

    Love you babe....I did walk away...which we all know...including Steve..that that, is not my MO. I just feel so deflated and sad these days. However, since mid November, I have been super neurotic and incensed, all the time...so.....whatever. I need a Moses to lead me out of here.

  42. As the proudly mixed-race country grapples with its legacy of slavery, affirmative-action race tribunals are measuring skull shape and nose width to determine who counts as disadvantaged.

    I thought they said phrenology was debunked pseudoscience.

  43. OT I feel incredibly sad that I believed Trump would be different. He is just like all the other warmongers of the past. He was so easily manipulated by the duplicitous and craven, evil media…and, his political adversaries who are old and tedious. Tillerson is a jerk, too, so sorry that he is such a tool, I had stupid high hopes bc he was Texan…blech.

    USA is going down; USA deserves to go down bc they have no leadership– American people have no one that care about them in government, NO ONE. American people are like the dinosaurs who fell under the volcanic cloud after the asteroid hit the Gulf. ISIS wins big time since Assad is not the problem…god, these American leaders are stupid! All losers…I’ll see y’all in hell…Valhalla.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Lagertha

    You're rant made me thankful that we don't have a woman president.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Lagertha

    , @attilathehen
    @Lagertha

    I'm in shock too. There was no reason for Trump to bomb Syria. And he started with that nonsense about asking the civilized world to join him in stopping Assad. I hope Ann Coulter starts tweeting about this nonsense. Trump was doing well. Nikki Haley said last week that the USA was no longer interested in getting rid of Assad. But I got suspicious when Jared Kushner went to Iraq, Bannon was removed from the security council, then the chemical attack happened, and now the bombings. The usual neocons, McLame, Grahamnesty and Lil Marco are applauding this.

    Sasquatch Hildebeast has come out of the woods and is braying about how the USA needs to stop Putin.

    Trump voters wanted 3 things: a stop to illegal and legal immigration; the Mexican wall; and no more foreign wars.

    Trump voters have to got start calling the White House, their Senators and Congressmen to stop this nonsense.

    I hope Mr. Sailer comments on this.

    , @EriK
    @Lagertha

    Never fall in love with something or someone that can't love you back.

  44. @res

    affirmative-action race tribunals are measuring skull shape and nose width to determine who counts as disadvantaged.
     
    Someone alert the SJWs. This has to qualify as a macroaggression.

    Replies: @anonguy, @Kaz

    I think it’s hilarious that Brazil is implementing tactics published by Jay Gould which have been since called bunk science.

  45. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha
    OT: Trump totally caved. I am devastated how he fell for the lies of what really happened in Syria. He is played big time - White Helmets, my ass. Assad had nothing to do with this. Russia had nothing to do with this. The Sarin gas bombs belonged to ISIS/Al Nusra/Al Qaeda...paid & and provided for by USA, EU, NATO, Israel, blah, blah, blah. It's all about money, control, control of resources. All these people only care about money. I've always said that on this blog, and in my life.

    I am so sad. I can no longer support Trump...or anyone in the USA. All of govt sucks...they're all corrupt and dirty....blech. Let's just quit flirting with Thermo Nuclear War with Russia...let's just do it...Nike, Just Do It. Either the USA goes full nuclear with Russia...or they put up & shut up! May all the evil govt apparatchiks and leaders of USA & EU & Israel, Gulf States, suffer in the future; and remember their lies upon lies, upon more lies - they don't give a rat's ass about children, pleez. As a mother, this was the most disgusting narrative today. Let's bomb people and kill people because "that's who we are." That is really who we (not me) are. Americans and EU, Israel, Gulf states like to kill; obviously...and it is always about making money/grabbing resources, land. ISIS just pulled the wool over so many really stupid guys...and some women, who love the taste of blood, too. Trump is so over. Welcome to the Decline of the Western World. The entire Western World, along with the Gulf States & Israel, just gave a major victory for the Islamic State...what a bunch of rubes. I am disgusted with them all.

    Replies: @Thea, @anonymous, @Frau Katze, @JohnnyWalker123, @Escher

    Maybe, and this is a very long shot, maybe this will be a Bay of Pigs learning moment for Trump.

    I doubt it, but maybe somehow he’ll see the light and realize all the military brass and intelligence wizards were all just lying their eyes out.

    Maybe he’ll clean house and trust no one. I sure hope so, for everyone’s sake.

    But, like I said, I doubt it.

    I think you’re probably right – we’re screwed.

  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Triumph104
    Last year, Brittany Stinson got into Stanford and 5 Ivy League schools. Her father is white and her mother is a Brazilian that identifies as black.

    https://twitter.com/LEONARDSIMPSON/status/718151499025682432

    Photo of mother: https://twitter.com/TSTINSON10?lang=en


    Stinson acknowledges that her status as the daughter of a Brazilian immigrant mother who identifies as black, and a white US-born father, likely gave her admissions case a boost.

    “I did declare my race and ethnicity on my applications. I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively,” she says, noting that she is also a proponent of affirmative action policies.
     
    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    At the same time, as clearly evidenced by Stinson, striving for diversity isn’t just about redress for past and present inequities. ...

    https://qz.com/657374/a-high-schooler-was-accepted-to-five-ivy-league-colleges-with-an-essay-about-costco/
     

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Cloudbuster, @JW Bell, @BB753, @Anonymous, @anon, @Old fogey, @Forbes, @Ed

    Many who criticize affirmative action think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student.

    Can she deny that she took the spot of an African American who is a descendant of U.S. slaves. Her “black” mother isn’t even from the U.S. This is just sad and such a corruption of the idea of affirmative action. Our country is going down the tubes.

  47. @syonredux

    Consider two sisters. They have the same ancestors but one looks whiter than the other. In Brazil, the one who looks whiter will go through life getting all sorts of advantages. In the U.S., in contrast, most of the color discrimination would occur among blacks (or especially among Hispanics if they interact with them), but affirmative action programs don’t come with gradations: you are in or you are out. Similarly, white people in America are taught to conceptualize blacks as homogeneous, so that barely anybody questions why, say, Susan Rice’s children get black privilege in terms of affirmative action.
     
    Cf Kidada and Rashida Jones:

    RASHIDA: I wouldn’t trade my family for anything. My mother shocked her Jewish parents by marrying out of her religion and race. And my father: growing up poor and black, buckling the odds and becoming so successful, having the attitude of “I love this woman! We’re going to have babies and to hell with anyone who doesn’t like it!”

    KIDADA: We had a sweet, encapsulated family. We were our own little world. But there’s the warmth of love inside a family, and then there’s the outside world. When I was born in 1974, there were almost no other biracial families–or black families–in our neighborhood. I was brown-skinned with short, curly hair. Mommy would take me out in my stroller and people would say, “What a beautiful baby…whose is it?” Rashida came along in 1976. She had straight hair and lighter skin. My eyes were brown; hers were green. IN preschool, our mother enrolled us in the Buckley School, an exclusive private school. It was almost all white.
     


    KIDADA: While Rashida wore girly dresses, I loved my Mr. T dolls and my Jaws T-shirt. But seeing the straight hair like the other girls had, like my sister had…I felt: “It’s not fair! I want that hair!”

     


    KIDADA: I was kicked out of Buckley in second grade for behavior problems. I didn’t want my mother to come to my new school. If kids saw her, it would be: “your mom’s white!” I told Mom she couldn’t pick me up; she had to wait down the street in her car. Did Rashida have that problem? No! She passed for white.

    RASHIDA: “Passed”?! I had no control over how I looked. This is my natural hair, these are my natural eyes! I’ve never tried to be anything that I’m not. Today I feel guilty, knowing that because of the way our genes tumbled out, Kidada had to go through pain I didn’t have to endure. Loving her so much, I’m sad that I’ll never share that experience with her.
     


    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.
     

    PEGGY: As Kidada grew older, it became clear that she wouldn’t be comfortable unless she was around kids who looked more like her. So I searched for a private school that had a good proportion of black students, and when she was 12, I found one.

     


    KIDADA: That changed everything. I’d go to my black girlfriends’ houses and–I wanted their life! I lived in a gated house in a gated neighborhood, where playdates were: “My security will call your security.” Going to my black friends’ houses, I saw a world that was warm and real, where families sat down for dinner together. At our house, Rashida and I often ate dinner on trays, watching TV in Anna’s room, because our dada was composing and performing at night and Mom sat in on his sessions.

     


    KIDADA: I’m sure that’s true, but I experienced all that heart and soul in black families. I started putting pressure on Mommy to let me go to a mostly black public school. I was on her and on her and on her. I wouldn’t let up until she said yes.

    PEGGY: So one day when Kidada was 14, we drove to Fairfax High, where I gave a fake address and enrolled her.
     

    RASHIDA: "As a black person at Harvard, the lighter you were, the blacker you had to act. I tried hard to be accepted by the girls who were the gatekeepers to Harvard’s black community. One day I joined them as usual at their cafeteria table. I said, “Hey!”–real friendly. Silence. I remember chewing my food in that dead, ominous silence. Finally, one girl spoke. She accused me of hitting on one of their boyfriends over the weekend. It was untrue, but I think what was really eating her was that she thought I was trying to take away a smart, good-looking black man–and being light-skinned, I wasn’t “allowed” to do that. I was hurt, angry. I called Kidada in New York crying. She said, “Tell her what you feel!” So I called the girl and…I really ripped her a new one. But after that, I felt insidious intimidation from that group. The next year there was a black guy I really liked, but I didn’t have the courage to pursue him. Sometimes I think of him and how different my life might be if I hadn’t been so chicken."

    https://bossip.com/623483/rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/2/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Shaq

    Rashida looks black.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @attilathehen


    Rashida looks black.
     
    Not as Black as Kidada.....
  48. “My Taki’s column was inspired by a NYT column by a lady boasting that her phenotypically white child will still enjoy black privilege in the U.S. because he identifies as black.”

    Come on! That child did not “choose” to identify as black. Rebecca Carroll, the dark mulatto black-identified mother, made it clear that her maternal affection is dependent on her son identifying as “black.” Carroll’s white, Italian-descended husband is a liberal wimp of a sociology professor who claims that his whiteness and Italian heritage are too worthless to pass on to his child. It’s clear that the parents are teaching the kid (named “Kofi” of all things) that his destiny is to be a superior variety of black, too inferior to be white but blessed with superior white genes to improve the inferior black racial stock.

    http://nymag.com/news/articles/reasonstoloveny/2007/42047/

    http://www.lehman.edu/academics/sociology/faculty-bonastia.php

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/22/facing-my-fear-resembling-my-mother-parental-judgement

  49. @Lagertha
    OT I feel incredibly sad that I believed Trump would be different. He is just like all the other warmongers of the past. He was so easily manipulated by the duplicitous and craven, evil media...and, his political adversaries who are old and tedious. Tillerson is a jerk, too, so sorry that he is such a tool, I had stupid high hopes bc he was Texan...blech.

    USA is going down; USA deserves to go down bc they have no leadership- American people have no one that care about them in government, NO ONE. American people are like the dinosaurs who fell under the volcanic cloud after the asteroid hit the Gulf. ISIS wins big time since Assad is not the problem...god, these American leaders are stupid! All losers...I'll see y'all in hell...Valhalla.

    Replies: @Anon, @attilathehen, @EriK

    You’re rant made me thankful that we don’t have a woman president.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Anon

    Indeed. It's bad enough we have women voters.

    , @Lagertha
    @Anon

    And, you don't write well, asshole...grammar deficient; SO duh, SO fail. And, FU, btw...you, an unlikable, mean-spirited, petty person - you wish people liked you and cared about you.

  50. I’ve always thought it would be an interesting experiment to submit similar job applications online with only differing what race is chosen and see what the response rate and time would be. An alt-right version of the ‘people with black names get called back less’ study from a few years ago.

  51. @Lagertha
    OT I feel incredibly sad that I believed Trump would be different. He is just like all the other warmongers of the past. He was so easily manipulated by the duplicitous and craven, evil media...and, his political adversaries who are old and tedious. Tillerson is a jerk, too, so sorry that he is such a tool, I had stupid high hopes bc he was Texan...blech.

    USA is going down; USA deserves to go down bc they have no leadership- American people have no one that care about them in government, NO ONE. American people are like the dinosaurs who fell under the volcanic cloud after the asteroid hit the Gulf. ISIS wins big time since Assad is not the problem...god, these American leaders are stupid! All losers...I'll see y'all in hell...Valhalla.

    Replies: @Anon, @attilathehen, @EriK

    I’m in shock too. There was no reason for Trump to bomb Syria. And he started with that nonsense about asking the civilized world to join him in stopping Assad. I hope Ann Coulter starts tweeting about this nonsense. Trump was doing well. Nikki Haley said last week that the USA was no longer interested in getting rid of Assad. But I got suspicious when Jared Kushner went to Iraq, Bannon was removed from the security council, then the chemical attack happened, and now the bombings. The usual neocons, McLame, Grahamnesty and Lil Marco are applauding this.

    Sasquatch Hildebeast has come out of the woods and is braying about how the USA needs to stop Putin.

    Trump voters wanted 3 things: a stop to illegal and legal immigration; the Mexican wall; and no more foreign wars.

    Trump voters have to got start calling the White House, their Senators and Congressmen to stop this nonsense.

    I hope Mr. Sailer comments on this.

  52. @Lot
    @Steve Sailer


    In Brazil, phenotypes and genotypes appear to diverge more than in the U.S. In Brazil, people say things like, “Do you know my sister? She’s white!”
     
    There is one particular gene that has a very strong effect on skin color. 97+% of Europeans have two copies of the white gene, while 90%+ of Africans and full blood Native Americans have two copies of the dark gene. But in a well mixed mulatto pool, you will certainly have many cases of two heterozygote parents having two kids with double white or double black genes and very different skin colors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLC24A5

    The derived threonine allele (Ala111Thr; also known as A111T or Thr111) represented 98.7 to 100% of the alleles in European samples, while the ancestral or alanine form was found in 93 to 100% of samples of Sub-Saharan Africans, East Asians and Indigenous Americans. The variation is a SNP polymorphism rs1426654, which had been previously shown to be second among 3011 tabulated SNPs ranked as ancestry-informative markers. This single change in SLC24A5 explains between 25 and 38% of the difference in skin melanin index between peoples of sub-Saharan African and European ancestry.
     

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @PiltdownMan

    There is one particular gene that has a very strong effect on skin color. 97+% of Europeans have two copies of the white gene, while 90%+ of Africans and full blood Native Americans have two copies of the dark gene. But in a well mixed mulatto pool, you will certainly have many cases of two heterozygote parents having two kids with double white or double black genes and very different skin colors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLC24A5

    One white, one black, and two khaki?

  53. @syonredux

    Consider two sisters. They have the same ancestors but one looks whiter than the other. In Brazil, the one who looks whiter will go through life getting all sorts of advantages. In the U.S., in contrast, most of the color discrimination would occur among blacks (or especially among Hispanics if they interact with them), but affirmative action programs don’t come with gradations: you are in or you are out. Similarly, white people in America are taught to conceptualize blacks as homogeneous, so that barely anybody questions why, say, Susan Rice’s children get black privilege in terms of affirmative action.
     
    Cf Kidada and Rashida Jones:

    RASHIDA: I wouldn’t trade my family for anything. My mother shocked her Jewish parents by marrying out of her religion and race. And my father: growing up poor and black, buckling the odds and becoming so successful, having the attitude of “I love this woman! We’re going to have babies and to hell with anyone who doesn’t like it!”

    KIDADA: We had a sweet, encapsulated family. We were our own little world. But there’s the warmth of love inside a family, and then there’s the outside world. When I was born in 1974, there were almost no other biracial families–or black families–in our neighborhood. I was brown-skinned with short, curly hair. Mommy would take me out in my stroller and people would say, “What a beautiful baby…whose is it?” Rashida came along in 1976. She had straight hair and lighter skin. My eyes were brown; hers were green. IN preschool, our mother enrolled us in the Buckley School, an exclusive private school. It was almost all white.
     


    KIDADA: While Rashida wore girly dresses, I loved my Mr. T dolls and my Jaws T-shirt. But seeing the straight hair like the other girls had, like my sister had…I felt: “It’s not fair! I want that hair!”

     


    KIDADA: I was kicked out of Buckley in second grade for behavior problems. I didn’t want my mother to come to my new school. If kids saw her, it would be: “your mom’s white!” I told Mom she couldn’t pick me up; she had to wait down the street in her car. Did Rashida have that problem? No! She passed for white.

    RASHIDA: “Passed”?! I had no control over how I looked. This is my natural hair, these are my natural eyes! I’ve never tried to be anything that I’m not. Today I feel guilty, knowing that because of the way our genes tumbled out, Kidada had to go through pain I didn’t have to endure. Loving her so much, I’m sad that I’ll never share that experience with her.
     


    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.
     

    PEGGY: As Kidada grew older, it became clear that she wouldn’t be comfortable unless she was around kids who looked more like her. So I searched for a private school that had a good proportion of black students, and when she was 12, I found one.

     


    KIDADA: That changed everything. I’d go to my black girlfriends’ houses and–I wanted their life! I lived in a gated house in a gated neighborhood, where playdates were: “My security will call your security.” Going to my black friends’ houses, I saw a world that was warm and real, where families sat down for dinner together. At our house, Rashida and I often ate dinner on trays, watching TV in Anna’s room, because our dada was composing and performing at night and Mom sat in on his sessions.

     


    KIDADA: I’m sure that’s true, but I experienced all that heart and soul in black families. I started putting pressure on Mommy to let me go to a mostly black public school. I was on her and on her and on her. I wouldn’t let up until she said yes.

    PEGGY: So one day when Kidada was 14, we drove to Fairfax High, where I gave a fake address and enrolled her.
     

    RASHIDA: "As a black person at Harvard, the lighter you were, the blacker you had to act. I tried hard to be accepted by the girls who were the gatekeepers to Harvard’s black community. One day I joined them as usual at their cafeteria table. I said, “Hey!”–real friendly. Silence. I remember chewing my food in that dead, ominous silence. Finally, one girl spoke. She accused me of hitting on one of their boyfriends over the weekend. It was untrue, but I think what was really eating her was that she thought I was trying to take away a smart, good-looking black man–and being light-skinned, I wasn’t “allowed” to do that. I was hurt, angry. I called Kidada in New York crying. She said, “Tell her what you feel!” So I called the girl and…I really ripped her a new one. But after that, I felt insidious intimidation from that group. The next year there was a black guy I really liked, but I didn’t have the courage to pursue him. Sometimes I think of him and how different my life might be if I hadn’t been so chicken."

    https://bossip.com/623483/rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/2/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Shaq

    Harvard? I assume it was Buddy Fletcher….

  54. The world would be such a better place if white men didn’t exist

    • Replies: @a reader
    @Tiny Duck

    Sure!

    No TD's comment on no computer on no internet.

  55. @Lagertha
    OT I feel incredibly sad that I believed Trump would be different. He is just like all the other warmongers of the past. He was so easily manipulated by the duplicitous and craven, evil media...and, his political adversaries who are old and tedious. Tillerson is a jerk, too, so sorry that he is such a tool, I had stupid high hopes bc he was Texan...blech.

    USA is going down; USA deserves to go down bc they have no leadership- American people have no one that care about them in government, NO ONE. American people are like the dinosaurs who fell under the volcanic cloud after the asteroid hit the Gulf. ISIS wins big time since Assad is not the problem...god, these American leaders are stupid! All losers...I'll see y'all in hell...Valhalla.

    Replies: @Anon, @attilathehen, @EriK

    Never fall in love with something or someone that can’t love you back.

  56. @Buzz Mohawk
    What I find very suspicious is that all this is happening at the same time Crayola eliminated one color crayon and installed another.

    Hmm...

    (Solution: Forget color. Ignore ancestry. Let's have affirmative action based on butt size. That would promote blacks while still keeping Asians down.)

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    I can’t understand (as a Canadian) why anyone other than descendants of slaves or descendants of the original natives should get any preferential treatment at all.

    In Canada, natives do qualify for extra goodies (but never enough, of course).

  57. That map of Europe in your old post makes it look like there’s “magic water” in the Baltic.

    http://isteve.blogspot.ca/2012/07/absolute-nuclear-families.html

  58. @Lagertha
    OT: Trump totally caved. I am devastated how he fell for the lies of what really happened in Syria. He is played big time - White Helmets, my ass. Assad had nothing to do with this. Russia had nothing to do with this. The Sarin gas bombs belonged to ISIS/Al Nusra/Al Qaeda...paid & and provided for by USA, EU, NATO, Israel, blah, blah, blah. It's all about money, control, control of resources. All these people only care about money. I've always said that on this blog, and in my life.

    I am so sad. I can no longer support Trump...or anyone in the USA. All of govt sucks...they're all corrupt and dirty....blech. Let's just quit flirting with Thermo Nuclear War with Russia...let's just do it...Nike, Just Do It. Either the USA goes full nuclear with Russia...or they put up & shut up! May all the evil govt apparatchiks and leaders of USA & EU & Israel, Gulf States, suffer in the future; and remember their lies upon lies, upon more lies - they don't give a rat's ass about children, pleez. As a mother, this was the most disgusting narrative today. Let's bomb people and kill people because "that's who we are." That is really who we (not me) are. Americans and EU, Israel, Gulf states like to kill; obviously...and it is always about making money/grabbing resources, land. ISIS just pulled the wool over so many really stupid guys...and some women, who love the taste of blood, too. Trump is so over. Welcome to the Decline of the Western World. The entire Western World, along with the Gulf States & Israel, just gave a major victory for the Islamic State...what a bunch of rubes. I am disgusted with them all.

    Replies: @Thea, @anonymous, @Frau Katze, @JohnnyWalker123, @Escher

    Let’s see how it plays out before coming to such drastic conclusions.

    The US lobbed some missiles. They might do nothing else. Note also

    Russia, which had troops on the targeted air base, was warned in advance of the U.S. strike and the military took pains to target only the parts of the base where the Russians weren’t located, a military official said.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-launches-cruise-missiles-at-syrian-regime-airbase-in-response-to-chemical-attack-1491528268

    It could be an opportunity for Putin to tell Assad, “Don’t don’t again.”

    Trump would look weak if he did nothing at all. Warning the Russians sounds like he is not burning his bridges just yet.

  59. One fascinating thing that is hard to notice is that the U.S. has had affirmative action for blacks since the end of the 1960s, but in all those years very few well-known cases of race fraud.

    Mindy Kaling’s brother pretended to be black to get into med school: http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-kalings-brother-explains-why-he-pretended-to-be-black/

  60. @Lagertha
    OT: Trump totally caved. I am devastated how he fell for the lies of what really happened in Syria. He is played big time - White Helmets, my ass. Assad had nothing to do with this. Russia had nothing to do with this. The Sarin gas bombs belonged to ISIS/Al Nusra/Al Qaeda...paid & and provided for by USA, EU, NATO, Israel, blah, blah, blah. It's all about money, control, control of resources. All these people only care about money. I've always said that on this blog, and in my life.

    I am so sad. I can no longer support Trump...or anyone in the USA. All of govt sucks...they're all corrupt and dirty....blech. Let's just quit flirting with Thermo Nuclear War with Russia...let's just do it...Nike, Just Do It. Either the USA goes full nuclear with Russia...or they put up & shut up! May all the evil govt apparatchiks and leaders of USA & EU & Israel, Gulf States, suffer in the future; and remember their lies upon lies, upon more lies - they don't give a rat's ass about children, pleez. As a mother, this was the most disgusting narrative today. Let's bomb people and kill people because "that's who we are." That is really who we (not me) are. Americans and EU, Israel, Gulf states like to kill; obviously...and it is always about making money/grabbing resources, land. ISIS just pulled the wool over so many really stupid guys...and some women, who love the taste of blood, too. Trump is so over. Welcome to the Decline of the Western World. The entire Western World, along with the Gulf States & Israel, just gave a major victory for the Islamic State...what a bunch of rubes. I am disgusted with them all.

    Replies: @Thea, @anonymous, @Frau Katze, @JohnnyWalker123, @Escher

    The neocons are running this administration now.

    I had a bad feeling when Trump removed Bannon yesterday…..

    Secretary Tillerson said the goal is to remove Assad. So apparently we’ll be sending ground troops and occupying the country, like we did in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Doesn't look good for his immigration agenda.

    He's been bounced into a u-turn by media hysteria based on unverifiable images from AQ affiliates.

    The media will be able to do the same thing with real images of kids with American accents screaming and crying at ICE guys.

    , @Lagertha
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Agree with you. I was gone for a few days...sport & tournaments. I agree that banishing Bannon, or "non-participation" in International Sec, is a bad, and stupid move. However, technically, he will still give another perspective with the Syria crisis, or any yuge-ass probs... bc Trump does not like to lose. However, I trust NO ONE else: Bannon and Sessions (maybe Mattis - but he has to take orders; are left to fight the Bolsheviks).

    Trump is in a predicament - a bad one. He needs to consult Gorka more, today...more ME thinkers and anti-socialists. He needs to learn the truth about the "rebels" vis-a-vis, Assad & Syrian Army. For god's sake, figure out who the bad guys are, seriously! Sheeeeesh. He also needs to be educated about theocracies and militant Islam.

    Having been away a few days.....it suits me. I don't feel so angry and incensed everyday...so, I think I am seeing a break from my beloved Steve friends (or a 'leave of absence). I have to focus on serious family stuff for an indefinite time; a heavy-heart time - not looking for sympathy, I can deal with this.

    I believe Trump is compromised by "deep state," and all, and, we will have troops in 8-10 countries before we know it! I see doom and gloom everywhere...and bad economic situations in every state, country, continent...and animals suffering. I see nothing but misery and decline.

    Happy Easter, everyone.

  61. Off topic again, but really interesting.

    It’s an interview with Anne Case and Angus Deaton, the white mortality researchers:

    ‘How dare you work on whites’: Professors under fire for research on white mortality

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Thanks.

  62. @Triumph104
    Last year, Brittany Stinson got into Stanford and 5 Ivy League schools. Her father is white and her mother is a Brazilian that identifies as black.

    https://twitter.com/LEONARDSIMPSON/status/718151499025682432

    Photo of mother: https://twitter.com/TSTINSON10?lang=en


    Stinson acknowledges that her status as the daughter of a Brazilian immigrant mother who identifies as black, and a white US-born father, likely gave her admissions case a boost.

    “I did declare my race and ethnicity on my applications. I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively,” she says, noting that she is also a proponent of affirmative action policies.
     
    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    At the same time, as clearly evidenced by Stinson, striving for diversity isn’t just about redress for past and present inequities. ...

    https://qz.com/657374/a-high-schooler-was-accepted-to-five-ivy-league-colleges-with-an-essay-about-costco/
     

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Cloudbuster, @JW Bell, @BB753, @Anonymous, @anon, @Old fogey, @Forbes, @Ed

    “She is a proponent of affirmative action policies”..

    Gosh, I wonder why.

  63. @Anon
    @Lagertha

    You're rant made me thankful that we don't have a woman president.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Lagertha

    Indeed. It’s bad enough we have women voters.

  64. “Proudly mixed-race country which grapples with the legacy of slavery.”

    Such a contradiction! Had there been no slavery they wouldn’t have their supposedly “proud” mixed-race.

  65. @WGG
    Since the black community has chosen to stand behind Shaun King instead of demanding a DNA test, they deserve every bit of infiltration they will get. There is no legal definition for black or Hispanic. Only American Indians are required to prove ancestry.

    Shaun King went to historically black Morehouse College on scholarship. It is literally the plot of Soul Man starring C. Thomas Howell, except King wasn't smart enough for Harvard. Fun fact: Rae Dawn Chong is Tommy Chong's daughter.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle

    I never understood the fuss people like Milo make about Shaun King.

    He isn’t White. His facial features are those of a light-skinned, mixed-race guy. He is much more obviously non-White than (say) the 1/4 Black Welsh soccer player Ryan Giggs.

    • Replies: @biz
    @jimmyriddle

    Really? I don't agree at all. Have you seen the photoshop where someone took Shaun King's face and only changed the hair to a preppy blonde haircut and removed some of the sac wheat from his chin? He looked indistinguishable from 100% Northern European white.

  66. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Lagertha

    The neocons are running this administration now.

    I had a bad feeling when Trump removed Bannon yesterday.....

    Secretary Tillerson said the goal is to remove Assad. So apparently we'll be sending ground troops and occupying the country, like we did in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @Lagertha

    Doesn’t look good for his immigration agenda.

    He’s been bounced into a u-turn by media hysteria based on unverifiable images from AQ affiliates.

    The media will be able to do the same thing with real images of kids with American accents screaming and crying at ICE guys.

  67. Somewhat OT:

    This white kid from Fargo, North Dakota got into all eight Ivies and also Stanford, Caltech, MIT and Chicago.

    Swim team, track, science olympiad and 5s in all his APs.

    http://www.businessinsider.sg/student-admitted-to-all-ivy-league-schools-2017-4/?r=US&IR=T#J6DqUMgj2RDQ0crK.97

    A lot of white kids in flyover country have simply given up on applying to prestigious coastal schools. He didn’t.

  68. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Off topic again, but really interesting.

    It's an interview with Anne Case and Angus Deaton, the white mortality researchers:

    ‘How dare you work on whites’: Professors under fire for research on white mortality

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

  69. @Lagertha
    OT: Trump totally caved. I am devastated how he fell for the lies of what really happened in Syria. He is played big time - White Helmets, my ass. Assad had nothing to do with this. Russia had nothing to do with this. The Sarin gas bombs belonged to ISIS/Al Nusra/Al Qaeda...paid & and provided for by USA, EU, NATO, Israel, blah, blah, blah. It's all about money, control, control of resources. All these people only care about money. I've always said that on this blog, and in my life.

    I am so sad. I can no longer support Trump...or anyone in the USA. All of govt sucks...they're all corrupt and dirty....blech. Let's just quit flirting with Thermo Nuclear War with Russia...let's just do it...Nike, Just Do It. Either the USA goes full nuclear with Russia...or they put up & shut up! May all the evil govt apparatchiks and leaders of USA & EU & Israel, Gulf States, suffer in the future; and remember their lies upon lies, upon more lies - they don't give a rat's ass about children, pleez. As a mother, this was the most disgusting narrative today. Let's bomb people and kill people because "that's who we are." That is really who we (not me) are. Americans and EU, Israel, Gulf states like to kill; obviously...and it is always about making money/grabbing resources, land. ISIS just pulled the wool over so many really stupid guys...and some women, who love the taste of blood, too. Trump is so over. Welcome to the Decline of the Western World. The entire Western World, along with the Gulf States & Israel, just gave a major victory for the Islamic State...what a bunch of rubes. I am disgusted with them all.

    Replies: @Thea, @anonymous, @Frau Katze, @JohnnyWalker123, @Escher

    Trump will generate jobs for people in the flyover states that voted him into power by drafting their young men into the army, to be cannon fodder for the neocons.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Escher

    Deplorables have been enlisting for 50+ years...for F's sake! FU and your supposed interest in posting here...you are part of the problem.

    As an immigrant, to this once great country, I loathe people like you. Don't come here with snark...since it seems that's all you've got. Grow some balls and then comment.

  70. There is very little race fraud committed by whites because most whites find the idea of identifying as black repugnant. The kind of whites who go to college are looking to improve their social status, not lower it. That said, it certainly seems like this attitude is starting to change, and maybe we will see more race fraud committed by whites in the future.

  71. @Tiny Duck
    The world would be such a better place if white men didn't exist

    Replies: @a reader

    Sure!

    No TD’s comment on no computer on no internet.

  72. @Thea
    @Lagertha

    I meant to hit agree!! sorry.

    Our goose is cooked. Adios America indeed.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Love you babe….I did walk away…which we all know…including Steve..that that, is not my MO. I just feel so deflated and sad these days. However, since mid November, I have been super neurotic and incensed, all the time…so…..whatever. I need a Moses to lead me out of here.

  73. @CK
    In the ex-colonies of Spain, the Casta still reigns supremo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta

    Replies: @(((Owen))), @Temples and Ashes

    The Las Castas painting on the Wiki page at the Museo del Virreinato in Tepotzotlán is fantastic. Saltapatras, meaning throwback, is one of the categories. It’s a pretty wall hanging and a handy chart to help maintain records in a public administration building, as it was in the early 1800s.

    It’s what Brazil needs to manage it’s affirmative action. And it’s what America needs now that we’ve democratically decided to become a Casta nation ourselves.

  74. @Triumph104
    Last year, Brittany Stinson got into Stanford and 5 Ivy League schools. Her father is white and her mother is a Brazilian that identifies as black.

    https://twitter.com/LEONARDSIMPSON/status/718151499025682432

    Photo of mother: https://twitter.com/TSTINSON10?lang=en


    Stinson acknowledges that her status as the daughter of a Brazilian immigrant mother who identifies as black, and a white US-born father, likely gave her admissions case a boost.

    “I did declare my race and ethnicity on my applications. I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively,” she says, noting that she is also a proponent of affirmative action policies.
     
    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    At the same time, as clearly evidenced by Stinson, striving for diversity isn’t just about redress for past and present inequities. ...

    https://qz.com/657374/a-high-schooler-was-accepted-to-five-ivy-league-colleges-with-an-essay-about-costco/
     

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Cloudbuster, @JW Bell, @BB753, @Anonymous, @anon, @Old fogey, @Forbes, @Ed

    Isteve readers really have patience. I congratulate you all. I couldn’t get past this phrase: “I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively.”

    These famous colleges were all willing to accept a student who expresses herself so poorly?

  75. ” in all those years very few well-known cases of race fraud”: what masterly self control to eschew reference to the Law Squaw! Will she be your next President?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @dearieme


    ” in all those years very few well-known cases of race fraud”: what masterly self control to eschew reference to the Law Squaw!
     
    For a host of historical reasons, Americans don't take Amerind ancestry fraud all that seriously.
  76. @jimmyriddle
    @WGG

    I never understood the fuss people like Milo make about Shaun King.

    He isn't White. His facial features are those of a light-skinned, mixed-race guy. He is much more obviously non-White than (say) the 1/4 Black Welsh soccer player Ryan Giggs.

    Replies: @biz

    Really? I don’t agree at all. Have you seen the photoshop where someone took Shaun King’s face and only changed the hair to a preppy blonde haircut and removed some of the sac wheat from his chin? He looked indistinguishable from 100% Northern European white.

  77. I actually thought Rashida was quite pretty on The Office. Prettier than Pam for sure, but she was still marked as “other” enough that I wouldn’t be interested in her for intercourse/child bearing purposes. Erin was as pretty as Rashida, and really quite sweet, but too stupid for marriage material.

  78. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    I remember first seeing Rashida Jones on The Office, and thought she was fairly attractive. It never even occurred to me that she was "black" until I read it somewhere.

    I'll be curious to see what people say if Prince Harry eventually produces an Eighth-Blood Prince.

    Maybe I'm way off-base, but it strikes me that white men find women who are very slightly black to be more attractive than average, but attractiveness drops precipitiously as blackness goes up. Maybe this is the kernel of truth underlying the black academic feminist idea that white men have always lusted after black women.

    (I'm white.) The few times I've felt clear lustful or romantic feeling towards phenotypically (and very occasionally very much so) black women, their emotional warmth has played a far greater role than their physical look.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Wow, I watched “The Office” and it never occurred to me that Rashida Jones was “black” or even a tiny bit black. It makes Michael Scott’s comment when he first met her even better.

    MICHAEL SCOTT: Wow, you are really exotic looking. Was your dad a GI?

  79. @Dr. X

    ...affirmative-action race tribunals are measuring skull shape and nose width to determine who counts as disadvantaged.
     
    Amazing. Textbooks used to be full of horror stories about Nazi race tribunals, with of pictures of Nazi scientists measuring skulls and noses to determine how to define a Jew as opposed to an Aryan. The theme was always about how this was the corruption of science, because race doesn't exist and we're all equal.

    But now it's OK to measure skulls and noses to determine who is or is not black so that blacks can get preferential treatment. Race doesn't exist -- until it does.

    (By the way, wouldn't a DNA test be a more objective, empirical standard of racial measurement than measuring skulls and noses? Seems to me if we really want to go down this road it should be a lot easier to do in the 21st century than it was in the 20th.)

    Replies: @Triumph104

    Brazilians don’t discriminate on ancestry — they discriminate on skin-tone and apparently physical features.

    This woman was not stripped of her role as Miss Globeleza because she was black, but because she was dark-skinned. WARNING NSFW: LINK

  80. John says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    @George Taylor

    In Brazil, phenotypes and genotypes appear to diverge more than in the U.S. In Brazil, people say things like, "Do you know my sister? She's white!"

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lot, @John

    Or perhaps the sister’s name was Branca. Seems to me in my 30+ years of visiting Brazil and other lusophone countries, I have come across that. And even if I haven’t, well, simply Googling “Branca” plus some common Portuguese surname like “Silva” or “Fonseca” turns up actual people.

    As for Brazilians liking cheating, that’s not what I’ve noticed: people there have struck me as real by-the-bookers, great respecters of legal punctilio, and even if you don’t understand what you’re looking at, you can tell Brazilians are always ready to wait patiently in long lines. Anyway, Googling brasileiros que trapaceiam, I get hits for Pokemon Go and mixed martial arts, neither of which was a national craze the last I looked.

    And as for Brazilians “grappling” with any aspect of their history, that’s just journalist-talk. Such grappling is purely voluntary, and few normal folks volunteer. Brazilians thinking about slavery? Shoot, I’ve never even noticed ex-Yugoslavs thinking about communism. It was here. It went away. Having it didn’t put steak on the table before. Why should remembering it put steak on the table now?

  81. I just looked it up and it’s a good speech.

    Booker T. Washington’s 1895 “Cast Down Your Buckets Where You Are” speech http://buff.ly/2oK4dww

  82. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In a country where its citizens can’t track down their ancestry to a sole ethnicity because of so much mixing and lack of interest for passing on racial and cultural tradition, it is no surprise that brazilians do not discriminate so much on ancestry as they would on physical features. There are so many informal classifications for brazilians, but if we tried to simplify as much as possible, Brazil is composed of white, pardo, mulatto and black people. Mulatto and black people can be considered black due to having more african characteristics, while pardo is generally isolated to its own generally for having all characteristics sticking out. While it is social status that actually rules in Brazil, the more white you were and the more you followed family tradition and kept your ancestry, the probability for becoming elite was higher. Brazil was full of immigrant enclaves and the ones who took opportunity of this could create strong ties and risk their savings to develop some business and grow over the immigrants who didn’t follow this path and instead got assimilated into the masses. That’s why being white doesn’t give any magical privilege in Brazil, since you can find poor whites whose ancestors weren’t as conservative while risk taking. The brazilian elite doesn’t have prejudice with mixing with people of color as long as they are rich and influential. But since most of it is white or white-looking, it is rare to find such people. And since Brazil never developed a proper singular culture or even a proper nationalism (to the point of even not praising much the good side of their portuguese heritage), the children of those who can trace their ancestry can easily adopt the nationality of their parents or grandparents and try to apply for citizenship in other countries, since Brazil is a “dull” country with lack of opportunities. The same goes for common brazilians without any clear ancestry, but dreams of working abroad and even living there (as long as the foreign destination is profitable for them). Brazil is a highly oligarchical country with few commitment from its own population to develop it other than getting out looking for the Magic Dirt out of their borders.

  83. @BB753
    @Triumph104

    I call BS on this one. In Brazil, her mother would identify as "parda", neither "mulata" or "preta" (black).

    Replies: @Gero

    People never use the term “pardo” as self-identification in Brazil. This is used only in government questionaries. The most used term in Brazil is “morena”. This term is used to describe from a pure white skin person with black/brown hair to a racial pure black person.

    In reality, few people like to be described as “black” in Brazil, too. Pure blacks often feel offended to be described as blacks. I have personal experiences about this.:
    One day, I used the term “preta” to describe a black girl in the laboratory that I was working. The white girls with me, became shocked and told me not to use the term “preta”, because it´s racist. They told me a more appropriate term to be used “morena”.

    In other situation I looked at a guy with very marked andean features and asked if he was a peruvian. I got it right, and excited I told him, that I easily perceived his “native indian” face”. We became friends, and long after, remembering this first day, he friendly told me that is not correct to use the term “native indian” for a “native indian” in Peru. The correct term is “peruvian”.

    On the other hand, if you are a blond blue eyed guy or a East Asian and are described as “german” or “japanese”, this is not looked as offenses. In parties, people that know each other for only 30 minutes, call other people as “german” or “japanese” and never receave hostility.

    Latin America is the most integrated and mixed multiracial region in the world. The losers are not minorities. Because all of this, blacks, native indians and mixed people feel shame of their race in a more explicit way.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Gero

    The phenomenon is called the "euphemism treadmill", a term coined by Steven Pinker. It is when an acceptable term becomes offensive. It involves groups that are overtly or covertly looked down upon by society as a whole and sometimes by group members themselves.

    While some are still angry at the Germans and Japanese for their behavior in WWII, those two groups are not considered inferior.

    In the US:
    idiot, imbecile, and moron -- retarded -- special needs -- exceptional
    colored -- Negro -- black -- African American + people of color

    India:
    untouchables -- Children of God -- Dalits

    Israel:
    Falasha -- Beta Israel

    , @BB753
    @Gero

    I don't know, that's how actual white Brazilians (not just whitish) described to me people who were neither black, mulatto, white, whitish or mestizo. Pardo was their preferred nomenclature. Perhaps "pardos" call themselves "morenos"? And euro-Brazilians refer to them as" pardos". Or is it more of coastal/inland distinction?

  84. @Triumph104
    Last year, Brittany Stinson got into Stanford and 5 Ivy League schools. Her father is white and her mother is a Brazilian that identifies as black.

    https://twitter.com/LEONARDSIMPSON/status/718151499025682432

    Photo of mother: https://twitter.com/TSTINSON10?lang=en


    Stinson acknowledges that her status as the daughter of a Brazilian immigrant mother who identifies as black, and a white US-born father, likely gave her admissions case a boost.

    “I did declare my race and ethnicity on my applications. I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively,” she says, noting that she is also a proponent of affirmative action policies.
     
    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    At the same time, as clearly evidenced by Stinson, striving for diversity isn’t just about redress for past and present inequities. ...

    https://qz.com/657374/a-high-schooler-was-accepted-to-five-ivy-league-colleges-with-an-essay-about-costco/
     

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Cloudbuster, @JW Bell, @BB753, @Anonymous, @anon, @Old fogey, @Forbes, @Ed

    Twenty years ago I had an office assistant who was a recent Columbia cum laude graduate who regaled me with stories of his Columbia classmates who had been AA admits/beneficiaries, yet were the children of South American diplomats and bankers that had grown up in NYC. They were the disadvantaged/underrepresented that needed preferences in admissions because they were Hispanic. He was just a poor kid from Brooklyn raised by a single mom (secretary in our office) who excelled academically.

  85. Oh what a tangled string we spunned

    When population genetics and evolutionary biology and human biological diversity we shunned.

  86. @anonymous

    Unlike in America, “miscegenation” played an integral role in Brazilian nation-building. …
     
    Unlike Brazil, America became a super power.

    Replies: @Slaughter

    USA was fucking easy mode. Vast ocean separating from any threats, canucks and mexicans for neighboors, a lot of good land with European climate which means european cultures work in most of the USA, another ocean. Also a lot of coal and oil.

    Meanwhile, we had to fight off the spanish, the french and the dutch, the dutch once did a big invasion that lasted decades, then we had to thwart argentinean ambitions on the Plata, then we got kamikazed by paraguayan mad dogs who fought nearly to the last man. Like 10% of our territory has a europe-like climate (the south), the rest is a bunch of tropical hills, semi-desert crap (Northeast hinterland and part of Center-West), swamps and the world’s biggest jungle*. Brazilian coal is only a little (also it sucks), and most of our oil reserves are TEN THOUSAND LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA lol.

    (not to mention slavery meant the rural elites were a problem for industrialization, and the ACW either delayed the abolition or slavery or stopped a civil war over it)

    Your ancestors got to live in cushy Europe 2.0, we turned hell into paradise.

    Also things would be a lot better if Deodoro the Traitor (may God thrown him into the lake of fire) didn’t depose the Emperor and turn Brazil into a generic latin-american republic. Then we had a interregnum of like 40 years of imbeciles followed by sane persons followed by more imbeciles in charge. Until Vargas. We had keynesian policies which helped development then, but idiots didn’t realize it was time to pull the brakes in the late 70s and go Laissez-Faire.

    Then in the 80s, socialists and globalists took over and have been in charge ever since, corrupting what was once a poor but traditional country with dignity, into a anarcho-tyranny. But things will change, soon. There’s are many millions of men and women with the right ideas, the will and the plan. The liars and crooks are being brought into the light. They will pay, one way or another, for their evil.

    In 2018, the change will start! Brazil will have its time in the sun! God wills it!

    *Try reading a bit about agriculture in the amazon.

  87. @Triumph104
    Last year, Brittany Stinson got into Stanford and 5 Ivy League schools. Her father is white and her mother is a Brazilian that identifies as black.

    https://twitter.com/LEONARDSIMPSON/status/718151499025682432

    Photo of mother: https://twitter.com/TSTINSON10?lang=en


    Stinson acknowledges that her status as the daughter of a Brazilian immigrant mother who identifies as black, and a white US-born father, likely gave her admissions case a boost.

    “I did declare my race and ethnicity on my applications. I think my background likely made my application stand out and impacted it positively,” she says, noting that she is also a proponent of affirmative action policies.
     
    “Many who criticize affirmative action think think that nearly all minority admitted students are somehow less qualified, undeserving, or that ‘they took a spot’ from a more deserving non-minority student. I think that affirmative action makes a well-qualified minority student stand out, but it will never cause an unqualified student to be admitted. Non-minorities are still benefiting from a system built in their favor.”

    At the same time, as clearly evidenced by Stinson, striving for diversity isn’t just about redress for past and present inequities. ...

    https://qz.com/657374/a-high-schooler-was-accepted-to-five-ivy-league-colleges-with-an-essay-about-costco/
     

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Cloudbuster, @JW Bell, @BB753, @Anonymous, @anon, @Old fogey, @Forbes, @Ed

    Appalling but black American leaders would defend it. Until elite schools come to their senses in regards to diversity, expect more of the same.

  88. @Gero
    @BB753

    People never use the term "pardo" as self-identification in Brazil. This is used only in government questionaries. The most used term in Brazil is "morena". This term is used to describe from a pure white skin person with black/brown hair to a racial pure black person.

    In reality, few people like to be described as "black" in Brazil, too. Pure blacks often feel offended to be described as blacks. I have personal experiences about this.:
    One day, I used the term "preta" to describe a black girl in the laboratory that I was working. The white girls with me, became shocked and told me not to use the term "preta", because it´s racist. They told me a more appropriate term to be used "morena".

    In other situation I looked at a guy with very marked andean features and asked if he was a peruvian. I got it right, and excited I told him, that I easily perceived his "native indian" face". We became friends, and long after, remembering this first day, he friendly told me that is not correct to use the term "native indian" for a "native indian" in Peru. The correct term is "peruvian".

    On the other hand, if you are a blond blue eyed guy or a East Asian and are described as "german" or "japanese", this is not looked as offenses. In parties, people that know each other for only 30 minutes, call other people as "german" or "japanese" and never receave hostility.

    Latin America is the most integrated and mixed multiracial region in the world. The losers are not minorities. Because all of this, blacks, native indians and mixed people feel shame of their race in a more explicit way.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @BB753

    The phenomenon is called the “euphemism treadmill”, a term coined by Steven Pinker. It is when an acceptable term becomes offensive. It involves groups that are overtly or covertly looked down upon by society as a whole and sometimes by group members themselves.

    While some are still angry at the Germans and Japanese for their behavior in WWII, those two groups are not considered inferior.

    In the US:
    idiot, imbecile, and moron — retarded — special needs — exceptional
    colored — Negro — black — African American + people of color

    India:
    untouchables — Children of God — Dalits

    Israel:
    Falasha — Beta Israel

  89. Brazil should just break up into 4 or 5 states.

  90. @attilathehen
    @syonredux

    Rashida looks black.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Rashida looks black.

    Not as Black as Kidada…..

  91. @dearieme
    " in all those years very few well-known cases of race fraud": what masterly self control to eschew reference to the Law Squaw! Will she be your next President?

    Replies: @syonredux

    ” in all those years very few well-known cases of race fraud”: what masterly self control to eschew reference to the Law Squaw!

    For a host of historical reasons, Americans don’t take Amerind ancestry fraud all that seriously.

  92. As the proudly mixed-race country grapples with its legacy of slavery, affirmative-action race tribunals are measuring skull shape and nose width to determine who counts as disadvantaged.

    splc please tell us more how scientific racists like sailer love to measure skulls with calipers

  93. Temples and Ashes says:
    @CK
    In the ex-colonies of Spain, the Casta still reigns supremo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta

    Replies: @(((Owen))), @Temples and Ashes

    In the ex-colonies of Spain, the Casta still reigns supremo.

    Not really relevant, since Brazil was a colony of Portugal.

  94. @Gero
    @BB753

    People never use the term "pardo" as self-identification in Brazil. This is used only in government questionaries. The most used term in Brazil is "morena". This term is used to describe from a pure white skin person with black/brown hair to a racial pure black person.

    In reality, few people like to be described as "black" in Brazil, too. Pure blacks often feel offended to be described as blacks. I have personal experiences about this.:
    One day, I used the term "preta" to describe a black girl in the laboratory that I was working. The white girls with me, became shocked and told me not to use the term "preta", because it´s racist. They told me a more appropriate term to be used "morena".

    In other situation I looked at a guy with very marked andean features and asked if he was a peruvian. I got it right, and excited I told him, that I easily perceived his "native indian" face". We became friends, and long after, remembering this first day, he friendly told me that is not correct to use the term "native indian" for a "native indian" in Peru. The correct term is "peruvian".

    On the other hand, if you are a blond blue eyed guy or a East Asian and are described as "german" or "japanese", this is not looked as offenses. In parties, people that know each other for only 30 minutes, call other people as "german" or "japanese" and never receave hostility.

    Latin America is the most integrated and mixed multiracial region in the world. The losers are not minorities. Because all of this, blacks, native indians and mixed people feel shame of their race in a more explicit way.

    Replies: @Triumph104, @BB753

    I don’t know, that’s how actual white Brazilians (not just whitish) described to me people who were neither black, mulatto, white, whitish or mestizo. Pardo was their preferred nomenclature. Perhaps “pardos” call themselves “morenos”? And euro-Brazilians refer to them as” pardos”. Or is it more of coastal/inland distinction?

  95. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Lagertha

    The neocons are running this administration now.

    I had a bad feeling when Trump removed Bannon yesterday.....

    Secretary Tillerson said the goal is to remove Assad. So apparently we'll be sending ground troops and occupying the country, like we did in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @Lagertha

    Agree with you. I was gone for a few days…sport & tournaments. I agree that banishing Bannon, or “non-participation” in International Sec, is a bad, and stupid move. However, technically, he will still give another perspective with the Syria crisis, or any yuge-ass probs… bc Trump does not like to lose. However, I trust NO ONE else: Bannon and Sessions (maybe Mattis – but he has to take orders; are left to fight the Bolsheviks).

    Trump is in a predicament – a bad one. He needs to consult Gorka more, today…more ME thinkers and anti-socialists. He needs to learn the truth about the “rebels” vis-a-vis, Assad & Syrian Army. For god’s sake, figure out who the bad guys are, seriously! Sheeeeesh. He also needs to be educated about theocracies and militant Islam.

    Having been away a few days…..it suits me. I don’t feel so angry and incensed everyday…so, I think I am seeing a break from my beloved Steve friends (or a ‘leave of absence). I have to focus on serious family stuff for an indefinite time; a heavy-heart time – not looking for sympathy, I can deal with this.

    I believe Trump is compromised by “deep state,” and all, and, we will have troops in 8-10 countries before we know it! I see doom and gloom everywhere…and bad economic situations in every state, country, continent…and animals suffering. I see nothing but misery and decline.

    Happy Easter, everyone.

  96. @Anon
    @Lagertha

    You're rant made me thankful that we don't have a woman president.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Lagertha

    And, you don’t write well, asshole…grammar deficient; SO duh, SO fail. And, FU, btw…you, an unlikable, mean-spirited, petty person – you wish people liked you and cared about you.

  97. @Escher
    @Lagertha

    Trump will generate jobs for people in the flyover states that voted him into power by drafting their young men into the army, to be cannon fodder for the neocons.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Deplorables have been enlisting for 50+ years…for F’s sake! FU and your supposed interest in posting here…you are part of the problem.

    As an immigrant, to this once great country, I loathe people like you. Don’t come here with snark…since it seems that’s all you’ve got. Grow some balls and then comment.

  98. Next time use the edit function after you take your Prozac

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Escher

    The only rule here is no drunk posting, much less drunk editing. So says Komment Kontroll.

  99. @Escher
    Next time use the edit function after you take your Prozac

    Replies: @BB753

    The only rule here is no drunk posting, much less drunk editing. So says Komment Kontroll.

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