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Many elderly East Asian immigrants live in urban Chinatowns, which has made them vulnerable to random attacks from black madmen and street thugs rendered exuberant by the media-declared Racial Reckoning. In contrast, South Asians try to live in American suburbs far from urban underclass blacks. But that’s not going to stop South Asian academics from claiming to be the Real Victims here.

From the W ashington Post:

Monkey Cage
Analysis
Discrimination against Indian Americans happens more than you might think
A new survey reveals 1 in 2 Indian Americans experienced recent discrimination, often on the basis of skin color

By Sumitra Badrinathan, Devesh Kapur, Jonathan Kay and Milan Vaishnav
June 10, 2021 at 2:00 a.m. PDT

Violence and prejudice against Asian Americans have increased markedly in recent months. While the United States has a long history of bigotry against immigrants of color going back to the late 19th century, the growing hostility toward people of Asian origin in the wake of the devastating coronavirus pandemic casts a new spotlight on the discrimination many Asian immigrant populations experience in the United States.

Much of the recent media attention has focused — rightly, in our view — on Americans of East Asian descent. But to what extent are immigrants of South Asian heritage also victims of bias and discrimination?

As you’ll recall, Trump referred to the “China Virus” a year ago, which explains why black Democratic criminals during the Racial Reckoning keep beating up East Asians living in downtown Chinatowns. In contrast, nobody has been either criticizing or punching South Asians, but that’s just the point, we South Asians are victims of racist erasure.

To shed light on this question, we carried out an original survey of Indian Americans, who make up the second-largest immigrant community in the United States.

The results reveal widespread perceptions of discrimination against Indian Americans on multiple grounds.

There’s a long, global history to today’s anti-Asian bias and violence

Prejudice against Indian Americans has a long history. While Indian Americans have by and large not borne the brunt of recent attacks directed at Asian Americans, the community is no stranger to prejudice.

In the mid-1980s, Indian and other South Asian immigrants were subjected to abuse and violent attacks in the New York-New Jersey region by such groups as the “Dotbusters.” These attacks culminated in the brutal 1987 murder of a Citibank executive.

That was a mere 34 years ago, practically yesterday.

The apathy demonstrated by public authorities in prosecuting and preventing such crimes led to the emergence of activist groups dedicated to fostering greater awareness of civil rights within the community.

In the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, several Indian Americans were victims of violent hate crimes and xenophobic rhetoric, with the Sikh community targeted in particular. But just how much discrimination do Indian Americans face today?

The survey shows Indian Americans feel the effects of discrimination

To explore the social realities of Indian Americans, we fielded an original survey of 1,200 Indian American adult residents, the Indian American Attitudes Survey. The survey was conducted using YouGov’s online panel from Sept. 1-20, 2020, weighing the results to capture a nationally representative view of the Indian American population.

What would persuade South Asians to get vaccinated against covid-19?

We find that 31 percent of Indian Americans believe that discrimination against people of Indian origin is a major problem in the United States — while 53 percent think it’s a minor problem. [While 16% thinks it’s a pathetically small problem.]

Measuring respondents’ lived experiences with discrimination reveals that 1 in 2 Indian Americans reports being subjected to some form of discrimination over the previous 12 months.

But these headline findings mask marked religious differences in the data. Among Muslim respondents in this survey, nearly 65 percent reported discrimination. Furthermore, while we observed no significant differences by gender overall, nearly 70 percent of Indian American Muslim women report experiences with discrimination. This finding reveals that the intersecting identities of being a woman, Muslim and Indian in America exacerbate experiences with prejudice.

Muslim women find that Americans want then to be more sel-fassertive

In addition, those who identify as supporters of the Democratic Party report a greater degree of discrimination relative to those who identify as supporters of the Republican Party. This reveals a possible link between Indian Americans’ lived experiences with discrimination and their partisan preferences in the United States. Indeed, Indian American voters lean Democratic — and when a 2020 voter attitudes survey asked about their reasons for this preference, the Republican Party’s intolerance of minorities wascvited.

If half of all Indian Americans report being targets of discrimination, who is doing the discriminating? When asked about discrimination on the basis of country of origin or skin color, respondents overwhelmingly blame non-Indians. While respondents suggest Indians hold somewhat greater responsibility for engaging in religious or gender discrimination against other Indians, here, too, they point mainly to non-Indians or a combination of Indians and non-Indians as primary sources of discrimination.Indian Americans enjoy a higher level of professional and financial success relative to many other immigrant communities in the country. But these successes have not inoculated them from the forces of discrimination. One somewhat surprising finding from the survey is that a significantly larger share of U.S.-born Indian Americans state that they have been discriminated against in the past year relative to foreign-born Indian Americans. This holds true across different types of bias — be it skin color, gender, religion or even caste.

One might expect that foreign-born respondents perhaps face greater discrimination because of their accents or how they dress. But one interpretation of our results is that foreign-born immigrants are simply less likely to report instances of discrimination. The higher frequency of reporting discrimination among U.S.-born Indian Americans could stem from a host of reasons, such as a difference in social norms provoking a greater awareness of discriminatory practices, less fear of retaliation — or an increased demand for equality.

At a time when Asian minorities are under attack — and Indian Americans are experiencing wrenching losses at a distance during India’s covid-19 crisis — the community’s increased awareness of discrimination may lead to new forms of advocacy both for those of Indian origin and many others facing similar predicaments.Don’t miss any of TMC’s smart analysis! Sign up here for our newsletter.

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Sumitra Badrinathan (@KhariBiskut) is a postdoctoral research fellow at the University of Oxford.

Devesh Kapur is Starr Foundation Professor of South Asian Studies and director of Asia Programs at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS).

Jonathan Kay (@_JonathanKay) is a James C. Gaither junior fellow in the South Asia Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Milan Vaishnav (@MilanV) is a senior fellow and director of the South Asia program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

They are the authors of a new report, Social Realities of Indian Americans: Results From the 2020 Indian American Attitudes Survey.

 
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  1. What? Blacks, playing Polar Bear on Asians? That’s not what I hear in the MSM. What I hear is that it is White Supremacists described only as youths or as men.

  2. notsaying says:

    It is too bad the survey did not ask questions about South Asians immigrants’ prejudices and discrimination against other Americans. Now that we know only too well how racist a Harvard educated daughter of Pakistani doctor immigrants can be, we would all like to know more on the subject.

    • Agree: mc23, Buffalo Joe, Fox, Not Raul
    • Thanks: Polistra, Hans, donut, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  3. If it’s that bad they could go back to India.
    Oh wait, it’s India, so I understand why they want to stay here.

  4. Mike Tre says:

    You might be thinking that subcons are yet other parasitic alien group coming to the US to exploit it, but you’re not thinking of the positive trade offs: Clean and orderly convenience marts tucked into gas stations, staffed by friendly, clear speaking and well fed exotic Indian migrants. the rest facilities are to dream of.

  5. Interestingly, it seems like Mr’s/Mrs’s/Ms’s (I don’t freakin’ know!) Sumitra Badrinathan, Devesh Kapur, and Milan Vaishnav are down with “•Indian” rather than the bland cardinal-compass-heading term “South Asian”. They did drop the dot, but that was probably a font problem or lack of a proper bright red Sharpie for the original draft. Jonathan Kay is the guy who stuck in that one “South Asian” in there, because he was scared. He’d better get with the new terminology.

    “South Asian”, “East Asian” – so bland and Orwellian. I gotta say, these fine journalists are not following the handy-dandy Peak Stupidity PC guidance so well, so I will have to include it again here:

    ************************************************************
    “Indian” is out – “Subcontinental” is in (like there aren’t lots of pieces of continents around, say the Yucatan and Iberian peninsulas).

    “Oriental” is out – “Northeastern Asian”, “Southeastern Asian”, “West-by-Northwestern” Asian, “38th Parallel Asian”, and “Arctic Circular Asian” are in.

    “Beaner”, “Greaser”, “Chicano” and “Latino” are out – “Mexican”, “Central American”, and “Yucatan Peninsularian” are in.

    “Negro” and variations thereof, along with “dude from some shithole” , are out – “[cardinal direction] African” is in.

    “Towel Head”, “Rag Head”, basically “[any type of woven fabric] – head” are out – “MENA”, MENAing Middle East North African, is in.

    “Big Samoan Fat Fuck” is out – “SPIFF”, meaning “Southwestern Pacific Island Fat Fuck” is in.
    ************************************************************

    Annoying geographic terminology behind me, I’ll say this: It takes a lot of damn gall to be like these people. Is gratitude an unknown concept now, like privacy?

  6. UNIT472 says:

    Indians haven’t been in America that long. One day there were none and then, almost as if by magic or immigration scam, there were sari clad strangers on the sidewalk and bearded turbanned Sikhs all over the place. Its not as if they had any historical or cultural ties to America or even the Western Hemisphere outside a few tiny British Caribbean Islands. They just showed up uninvited reeking of curry and avarice.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • LOL: donut
  7. Voltarde says:

    If America is such a racist hell-hole, why aren’t South-Asians moving back to South Asia in droves?

    Why did they leave South Asia in the first place, if not to rid themselves of their fellow South Asians?

    Did someone point a gun at them and force them to migrate to America?

    Curious minds want to know the answers to such questions.

    • Replies: @TyRade
  8. It’s interesting how when non-whites claim in surveys that they suffer discrimination, well that’s simply The Truth.

    When whites claim in surveys that they suffer discrimination, that’s a demonstration of white privilege at work.

  9. It’s a shame that suburban South Asians are subject to such thuggery.

  10. It’s odd to analyze the racial situation the way HBD’ers do without taking a side.

    They are not pro-White. They may not want Whites singled out for attack. But then, they don’t want anybody to be. And maybe they care just as much about frogs and dogs?

    HBD’ers do seem to tolerate Jews being on their own side. But never Whites.

    A person who thinks of himself as floating above his own people is a bit creepy.

  11. Altai says:

    Any given country is better off taking the most violent immigrants over upper caste Indians any day.

    • Replies: @epebble
  12. @Achmed E. Newman

    Sub-Continentals. No idle prefix there.

    There are a bunch of South Asian kids at my granddaughter’s school and funny thing, they talk, dress and act like Midwestern White kids. That has to irritate the Sub-Supremacists.

    I thought they would be a bunch of vegetarians, but when I brought Chick-fil-A to share with my granddaughter when I had lunch with her in the school cafeteria, all the kids said, “Ooooh, lucky!” Including the South Asian kids. This was just before the schools shut down last spring.

    • Replies: @BigHead
    , @rec1man
  13. Jack D says:

    In addition, those who identify as supporters of the Democratic Party report a greater degree of discrimination relative to those who identify as supporters of the Republican Party. This reveals a possible link between Indian Americans’ lived experiences with discrimination and their partisan preferences in the United States.

    Hmm, can you think of any other possible explanations for this phenomenon or is this the only one?

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  14. In addition, those who identify as supporters of the Democratic Party report a greater degree of discrimination relative to those who identify as supporters of the Republican Party. This reveals a possible link between Indian Americans’ lived experiences with discrimination and their partisan preferences in the United States.

    BS. The fact is that you’re not a card carrying member of the Democratic party unless you have your very own discrimination narratives to relate, and the demand always exceeds the supply.

    If half of all Indian Americans report being targets of discrimination, who is doing the discriminating? When asked about discrimination on the basis of country of origin or skin color, respondents overwhelmingly blame non-Indians.

    What a surprise. It’s always the other guy. Does the word “caste” appear anywhere in the article?

    The article fails to mention that self reporting is notoriously inaccurate. Especially when there’s a motive at stake.

  15. Mr. Anon says:

    But to what extent are immigrants of South Asian heritage also victims of bias and discrimination?

    To what extent are white Americans victims of South Asian call-center identity-theft scams? Based on the volume of calls I get from these a**holes – probably a lot. Why doesn’t “our” government do something about that? Like pressure the Indian government to shut them down. Perhaps the existence of these phone-criminals is one reason a lot of white Americans have come to despise Indians. That and the fact that they are proving to be just another clannish group of interlopers out to villify Whites and grab whatever they can from a country built by other people’s ancestors. America is just a big pinata, and everyone wants to take a whack at it with a stick to see what goodies fall out.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @donut
    , @anon
  16. Twinkie says:

    Many elderly East Asian immigrants live in urban Chinatowns… In contrast, South Asians try to live in American suburbs far from urban underclass blacks.

    I’d love to see the numbers on this, but I am pretty sure both East Asians and South Asians prefer to live in suburbs. The main reason why you don’t see “Indiatowns,” but you do see “Chinatowns” is because Chinese settled in the U.S. in relatively larger numbers in earlier eras.

    In contrast, Indian mass immigration is quite recent. Indians were only a tiny fraction of “Asians” in American several decades ago, but are now almost 25% of all Asians in the U.S.

    Also, East Asians (or at least the Chinese) settled on the West Coast by and large in those early eras whereas Indians are more concentrated in the sun-belt, because that’s where the economic boom is in the U.S. today.

  17. Twinkie says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “South Asian”, “East Asian” – so bland and Orwellian.

    Bland I understand, but why is it Orwellian? They are geographically accurate descriptions.

  18. Twinkie says:
    @Jack D

    As with other Americans, religion has a huge impact on politics among Asians:

    • Replies: @Jack D
  19. There’s a fool proof way to solve all racial discrimination: Separate countries for each race.

    Whether you think colorblind civic nationalism is a good idea or not is irrelevant. It obviously doesn’t work in a multiracial society. Time to acknowledge that fact – and it is a fact.

  20. Trinity says:

    Not long ago AOC made some statement about recruiting White Southerners into the victim class, I guess that one was quickly dropped. Can’t be feeling sorry for White people, especially the type that drive pickup trucks with Confederate and Trump flags on them. hehe. That is a bullshit stereotype, I don’t own a single Trump flag.

  21. Mr. Anon says:

    OT – Great! Just what NATO needs – it’s own Austro-Hungarian empire:

    Zelensky Tells Biden Ukraine Needs Clear Plan For Accession To NATO

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-tells-biden-ukraine-needs-clear-plan-accession-nato

    Yeah, I’m sure this will work out well.

  22. There are a couple of very elaborate Hindu Temples and a couple of Sikh Cultural Centers nearby but no neighborhood with a dense population of Indians. Young Dots don’t seem to be into sports, one way to assimilate into your school, so to me they seem to be insular. I have never had an interaction with an Indian that was unpleasant.

    • Replies: @Matttt
    , @bomag
    , @J.Ross
    , @Ragno
    , @Dmon
  23. Neuday says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Is gratitude an unknown concept now, like privacy?

    To be grateful, one must be thankful. To be thankful requires humility. These are, in America, Christian concepts, so it’s not surprising that not-Christian not-Americans not only don’t possess these characteristics, but consider them exploitable signs of weakness, and after seeing how the Blacks and certain (((others))) have run roughshod over White America for 50 years, it’s understandable that other groups want to horn in on the gibs.

  24. Trinity says:

    I once was driving down a major thoroughfare in a large central Florida city on a Sunday morning. I went to buy myself a cup of java and two vanilla cremes. While getting my sugar high and spiking it with a dose of caffeine, I looked over and saw a Catholic church. This was before the proceedings were about to start and people were standing around. I thought I was in India. There must have been 100 East Indians standing outside that Catholic church. I personally know of a Catholic church who brought over Southeast Asians from Vietnam after the war, set some of them up with free schooling, housing, and who knows what all upon arriving. And Protestants churches are no better. I was attending a Protestant church for awhile and we were always taking up an offering to send to Haiti. I finally had enough and left. Only a mile or two down the road from this church were White people living in squalor, rundown and I mean really rundown trailer parks, seedy hotels, White prostitutes, dive bars, etc. and here they are taking an offering to send to Haitians.

    • Replies: @photondancer
  25. @Twinkie

    That type of wording reminds me of Newspeak is all, Twinkie. It’s the total lack of connotation of who the people are, as if stripped of meaning on purpose.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  26. @Twinkie

    From what I’ve seen in person and also read of, a number of places in northern New Jersey could be called Indiatowns. However, for the reasons you wrote, they are not really towns, per se. How about Indiaburbs?

    • Replies: @RSDB
    , @njguy73
  27. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie

    In his book 1984, one of the fictional superstates is “Eastasia”.

    South Asia and East Asia are really not very descriptive – Indians and Pakistanis are quite different from each other. Mongolians and Taiwanese are a world apart. Japan and the two Koreas have an uneasy relationship.

    Going further and lumping together everyone from Pakistan to Samoa as “AAPI” is beyond ridiculous – most of these people have little in common with each other, even when they don’t hate each other (which is often). If Republicans were trying to do this, it would be called racist (“y’all look alike”), but Democrats do it in order to try to give “Asians” some muscle in the Coalition of the Fringes so it’s OK. But in particular South Asians and East Asians are quite distinct from each other and it is only the exigencies of Democrat politics that mandates that they be lumped together as one, so for example, South Asians can be perceived as ” fellow victims” of America’s evil internment of the Japanese during WWII or so attacks on elderly Chinese ladies in San Francisco increase the victimhood Pokemon points of Indian programmers in the Texas suburbs.

  28. jon says:

    One might expect that foreign-born respondents perhaps face greater discrimination because of their accents or how they dress. But one interpretation of our results is that foreign-born immigrants are simply less likely to report instances of discrimination.

    Another interpretation is that foreign-born immigrants are simply less likely to conjure instances of discrimination from whole cloth to game the system the way the American born ones have learned to do.

  29. El Dato says:

    These attacks culminated in the brutal 1987 murder of a Citibank executive.

    Well, WaPo is a CIA outlet so an “everybody knows” side-remark is bound to hide some good stuff.

    Was that murder in any way suspicious, a “robbery gone wrong”, a “someone accidentally caught up in a shooting”?

    wrenching losses at a distance

    We are exploring new concepts! Goes well with Einstein’s “spooky action at a distance”.

  30. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie

    I was thinking that perhaps the arrow of causation ran in the other direction – that Indian Americans’ partisan preferences influence how they perceive their “lived experiences with discrimination”. Is it possible that Democrat Indians are just looking for opportunities to be affronted because being a victim makes you holy in the Democrat religion and Democrats tend to perceive every unpleasant interaction between people of different races (even someone being annoyed by your kid blocking the entrance to an escalator) as being rooted in “racism”?

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe, res, Twinkie, J.Ross
  31. jon says:

    OT, but pretty iStevey (in a documenting the downfall of the US kind of way):
    A black football recruit at Virginia Tech murdered a Tinder hook-up in a ‘trans-panic’ situation.
    It was his second hook-up, apparently, but the first time he realized it was a man. Most of the articles I have seen are surprisingly un-PC in their descriptions of the deceased.
    Example:

    Virginia Tech football player is facing murder charges after beating a transgender man to death who posed as a woman

    I didn’t know we were allowed to talk about them like that.
    https://thesource.com/2021/06/10/virginia-tech-football-player-kills-transgender-tinder-date-after-finding-out-he-was-a-man/

    • Replies: @Clyde
  32. Fjkkkkku says:
    @Twinkie

    Oceania has always been at war with Southasia.

  33. RSDB says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ceylonese (mostly Ceylon Tamils, but it was perhaps the only time the Sinhalese were ever with them in spirit) fought a successful guerilla war to be rid of Indian occupation; you’d think one of the spoils you win in such a war is not being called “Indian”.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  34. Fjkkkkku says:

    The excerpts were so pointless and boring I could only slog through by reading them in Hank Azaria’s voice.

    • LOL: Rob
  35. Is there any way at this point that we can reverse the immigration and get back to 1950s demographics? If American whites are so violent and racist, expelling everyone shouldn’t be that difficult. At this point, who should care if it would be violent and ugly?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @vhrm
  36. RSDB says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I was going to hit “agree” but Jersey City definitely qualifies as a town and Jackson Heights as part of one if you consider NYC a town.

  37. BenjaminL says:

    As soon as I looked up “Dotbusters” on Wikipedia, I knew it would provide more ammunition for the fight against malevolent WASP American settler colonialism:

    “Later that month, a group of youths attacked Navroze Mody, an Indian man of Parsi (Zoroastrian) origin, into a coma, after he had left the Gold Coast Café with his friend. Mody died four days later. The four convicted of the attack were Luis Acevedo, Ralph Gonzalez and Luis Padilla, who were convicted of aggravated assault; and William Acevedo, who was convicted of simple assault.”

    • Thanks: J.Ross, vhrm
  38. Matttt says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    My experience is limited, but I have seen quite a few Indian children (children of immigrants) in karate and taekwondo. I think I’ve also seen a few in soccer. I definitely haven’t seen any in the American sports: football, basketball or baseball. I see a lot of Indian men playing cricket in the park on weekends and off hours.

  39. peterike says:

    Discrimination against Indians? Utter nonsense from start to finish. But hey, let’s roll with it, and yes, my Desi friends, America hates you! So STAY HOME, we will all be better off.

    The only positive thing about Chinese immigration is that it’s not quite as destructive as Indian immigration.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  40. In the last excerpt, what is

    wascvited

    ?

    Upon Googling it – one is returned to this article – interesting in its own right because Google returns Unz.

  41. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve gotten rather skilled at insulting South East Asians of Islamic backgrounds.

    It’s an art – not just anger and yes racial hatred and fear.

    Here’s what I do.

    As the Muslim Pakistani, Indians in their Islamic garb pushing a baby carriage with some ugly brown tur* one day Jihadist approach, I pretend to be talking on my cell phone. I put down the cell phone and address them as a teacher does to a misbehaving student:

    “Excuse me – but they way you are dressed is wrong. This isn’t the 9th century – you’re in the United States of America, we’re a part of Western Civilization”.

    The Indian/Pakistani Muslims will reply with something like:

    “Excuse me, what did you just say”.

    (I’m back pretending to speak to my phone as they aren’t worth a lot of my time).

    Me:

    “Yes you heard me correct – we don’t dress this way, we’re a modern society and another thing – please wash yourself with soap and water and use deodorant you smell like a goat and another thing, please use birth control there are to many of you ugly foul smelling backward people”.

    Then just casually stroll off and talk to the phone.

    You want to maintain that air of the teacher, they the poorly behaving student, the intruder, the trespasser.

    Maybe ask to see their passport like you are part of some citizen border control volunteer group looking for illegal alien terrorists.

    And when you see them praying to Mecca with their butts in the air, call them out and ask in a firm way: “Why they are mooning you with their ugly butts” – Again, this is a modern, first world society we don’t do that here.

    • LOL: Clyde
  42. Somebody’s defenseless here and it’s not Asians. How did that happen?

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  43. Anon[296] • Disclaimer says:

    I was there during the “dot busters” incidents. The violence including the murder of the bank executive Navroz Modi (a Parsi FYI) was mainly done by Puerto Ricans (though “White supremacist”ones no doubt.

    Because I had only arrived the summer before I had to attend the local public high school for freshman year. There was racism but it was more of a Hobbesian war of all against all than any one group. It was there I quickly learned you had best avoid Blacks and Puerto Rican’s. It was there an Irish girl explained that Italians aren’t really White.

    The next year I got admission to the public magnet school after taking the PSAT. The student body there was five times more White than the local school (though that includes Italians 😉) It got whiter with each grade as POCs who couldn’t handle the academic rigor transferred or dropped out. It was there in a mandatory course called Ethnic Studies that I learned that White people and their God Ronald Reagan were the cause of everything wrong in America.

    • Thanks: Clyde
  44. Clemsnman says:

    A low caste Indian will get much worse treatment from high caste Indians than they ever will from white folks.

  45. vulnerable to random attacks from black madmen and street thugs rendered exuberant by the media-declared Racial Reckoning

    The RR has emboldened the street thugs, but the madmen are off their meds due to Covid f’ing everything up. I don’t know about other cities but NYC handled its homeless crazies very poorly. To be expected.

  46. Moses says:

    Discrimination against Indian Americans happens more than you might think

    File under:

    “The only thing worse for a subcon than living in a racist America among bigoted Whites is not being allowed to immigrate to a racist America and live among bigoted Whites.”

  47. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:

    which explains why black Democratic criminals during the Racial Reckoning keep beating up East Asians living in downtown Chinatowns

    Putting aside whether “China Virus” is more or less reckless term for a leader to use, is it necessarily the case that Trump *couldn’t* have encouraged some violent Blacks in that direction by using it? Yes, I realize the amount of unacknowledgeable truth flowing from that makes it a non-starter polemic practically speaking. But do we disagree that feral Floydian lowlifes don’t have to be MAGA and up to speed on the Platinum Plan to enjoy beating up pedestrians additionally because the President complained not overly-deliberately about our official trans-Pacific most favored BFF?

    I don’t mean it’s a problem for Blacks collectively to be miffed or even angry at The Panda, regardless of Trump’s spectrum-shifting dog-whistles, but out of the subset who went brawling, their escalators don’t go to the top floor, and this is one (valid) reason why old-fashioned goo-goo whitelibs have traditionally disdained “populism.”

    Granted, whitelibs of now urge on Rwanda/Bosnia promiscuously as a fashion statement, so their position to criticize Trump for siccing Blacks on random yellows is not exactly sturdy.

  48. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    The are probably more Chinese on the campus of MIT than in Boston’s Chinatown.

    But there has always been a sizable Chinese student population at MIT:


    MIT Chinese student club (1923)

    http://chinacomestomit.org/


    Even the whites at MIT want to be Chinese scientists

    • Replies: @Rex Little
  49. kihowi says:

    A new survey reveals 1 in 2 Indian Americans experienced recent discrimination, often on the basis of skin color

    How this sounds in the survey taker’s mind:

    Do you experience a lot of horrible racism every day?

    a) YES, I want a shot at priceless social goodies, including, but not limited to: being above criticism and ridicule, getting preferential treatment in education and employment, being able to live with a wonderful victim mentality and sense of importance that nobody would dare disabuse me about, and much, much more!

    b) NO, I’ll do without all of those and handicap myself needlessly.

    The only shock here is that half of them were still honest.

  50. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    That initialism is going to be yuge. Buy AAPI. There is a critical untapped market out there of E and SE Asians who hate being lumped in with S.

    The part of the state I live in has barely any E/SE Asians and they bring in “AAPI spokeswoman” types from Ohio or NY to do PSA ads during the evening news lecturing us to Stop Anti-Asian-Hatin’; but the “Asian” center cannot hold…

  51. “When I came to America I was regularly bashed by blacks, but I took to carrying a cricket bat and was eventually able to hit them for six.”

    You should see me now!

  52. bomag says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I have never had an interaction with an Indian that was unpleasant.

    Phone?

  53. @notsaying

    ‘It is too bad the survey did not ask questions about South Asians immigrants’ prejudices and discrimination against other Americans…’

    Dot-Indians can be fantastically, assertively, and unapologetically discriminatory. I don’t worry about it much — but for them to turn around and complain when they’re targets of bigotry is a bit much.

  54. Clyde says:

    The Chinese have their urban concentrations where the blacks can find them to bash and brutalize. Plus often these blacks live nearby, even if on the street or in a homeless shelter. The Subcontinentals are spread out all over the place most of the time. Though I believe NYC is large enough to have a few SubCon concentrations, such as a Bangladeshi neighborhood or two. While the NYC Chinese have five, yes five, legitimate Chinatowns full of restaurants. Kung-Fu fighting academies, etc. The original ChinaTown was in lower Manhattan and was the only one for decades. Now they have a very large one in Flushing, Queens, plus the three others in Queens/Brooklyn.

    As an aside, Northern India Sikhs are big in California farming and buying more farmland there, all the time. Just mortgage the shyte out of the cropland, then with a few preferential (affirmative action) SBA loans, and they can own! Same as the Patel caste has been buying hotels/motels for decades via SBA loans and financial chicanery. Such as trading motels back and forth with newcomers from India who can get their own preferential SBA loans 10 minutes after washing up on our shores.

    Sikhs are growing in long distance tractor-trailer trucking, all the time too.

    ^^^^^^ Viets and Koreans are also in our Chinatowns. As if the average YT or black can tell any of them and Chinese apart. They are all slighter builds so eminently bashable. Blame some of this bashing on BIPOC assailants who are pissed off how the Kung-Flu has crashed our economy for all those who do not have Gov’t jobs or have upper class sinecure type jobs.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  55. anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:

    Is dissolving the country by getting rid of the West Coast and Northeast Corridor the only way to get out of this? Or are we going to have to read opinion articles like this for the rest of our lives?

  56. Anonymous[911] • Disclaimer says:

    Import Indians, become India.

    You’re better off with Mexicans or Blacks. Indians will prove to be the most disastrous immigrant group of all time. They hate white people. And frankly everybody. They really feel like foreigners (even 2nd gen) in the USA and will destroy every single thing here to erase anything to remind them of their victim / inferiority complex.

    Why does America need Indians? Nobody was ever asked. This was something forced upon us by the Satanic elites. Enjoy your spicy food I guess.

  57. George says:

    What explains Indian-Americans being anti-Trump but also pro-Modi?

    Indian-Americans, or more specifically, upper-caste Hindu Indian-Americans, have managed to have their identity cake and eat it too.

    https://scroll.in/global/988227/what-explains-indian-americans-being-anti-trump-but-also-pro-modi

  58. J.Ross says:

    Every lingerie model I’ve asked agrees:
    Surely self-reporting is the highest science.
    ——-
    Claim: White House now working on Kamala Harris’s inability to handle the most basic softball questions.
    Doubt: Would the White House care about this? They were okay with her blowing off her boss (when he sent her to the border).

  59. J.Ross says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    (“Eastasia” is literally but not meaningfully Orwellian.)

  60. J.Ross says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I have never had an interaction with an Indian that was unpleasant.

    You’ve never worked for one, or had one stroll by with their reflexive scowl?

  61. Tim says:

    You don’t know sh*t about Indians until you live in Loudoun County.

  62. anon[247] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Some suburban places have become Indiatowns. Like Edison, NJ. Not sure if there is a west coast analogue to this.

    And maybe some places in Delaware. Biden said years ago you can’t to a 7/11 or Dunkin Donuts there unless you have a slight Indian accent. Somehow Biden always gets to skate away from these.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
  63. @Jack D

    You know it’s all quite the farce, as these two groups don’t get along very well in Asia. There’ve been many border wars and no love lost between these peoples. They’re trying to form some All-PDA (Poor Downtrodden Asian) alliance is purely for US political reasons. None of these people want to be seen as allies of the White Man. “Flight from White”, indeed.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  64. @Desiderius

    If academics were pushing society left, you’d at least expect them to be “left”, but this was not the case. Only a tiny percentage of academics characterised themselves as “left” in 1969. While a majority identified as middle of the road.

    Alternatively, if academics were part of society and society were moving left, due to underlying factors, then the general pattern would be for them to all be substantially less conservative than their fathers; which they were.

  65. Thoughts says:

    I think I have the answer as to whether or not this is a media thing or whether Blacks Really Are Attacking Asians More

    There was a video of an Asian woman pumping gas…half-undressed overweight, huge black male lumbers towards her at a leisurely pace…then proceeds to punch her in the head as she continues to pump gas making absolutely 0 attempt to get away

    I watched this video and thought ‘I don’t know any white person who wouldn’t have gone on alert upon seeing the guy walking towards them’

    How that Asian woman 1) didn’t notice the dangerous half-naked black dude walking towards her and then 2) Proceeded to stand still and Cower as he Pummeled her making no attempt to…Run Away…

    How does that happen? Rabbits are not that dumb.

    Are Asians THAT docile? Because if so…that’s f***ed up.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  66. Looks like they are assimilating, they’ve adopted the American race hustle.

  67. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    As has been noted before, the Coalition of the Fringes exists as a sort of circular firing squad with the Evil White Man at its center. I leave it to the reader to imagine what would happen to the Coalition if the white man were to disappear from this picture.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  68. Icy Blast says:

    “South Asian” is a lame euphemism for “Indian” or “subcontinental.” “East Asian” is a stupid synonym for “Oriental.” Shower respect and attention on the Orientals. They have proven to be valuable additions to the Euro-American community. Ignore the subcontinentals. This is a general but unspoken rule-of- thumb we “white” folks follow here in California. It is a rational response to a complex and developing situation. Best move is to relocate to someplace like Wyoming.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  69. donut says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Subcontinental” keeps auto correcting to “subhuman” .

  70. Anon[122] • Disclaimer says:

    The people at the Post noticed that the media hasn’t been able to whip up hysteria among East Asians into frenzies of hatred against whites, so they’re trying to whip up Indians in their place. This will fail.

  71. Many elderly East Asian immigrants live in urban Chinatowns, which has made them vulnerable to random attacks from black madmen and street thugs rendered exuberant by the media-declared Racial Reckoning.

    I still wonder whether attacks on Asians have increased as a proportion of random attacks in general, or if this is just a media narrative.

    In the case of New York, the overall increase in attacks from black madman and thugs may have had more to do with the anti-policing, anti-incarceration policies promoted by Mayor Bill De Blasio and Governor Andrew Cuomo. Well before the death of George Floyd, De Blasio had dropped the city’s appeal of the ruling against stop-question-and-frisk practices, was attacking the NYPD for racism, and had decided to house dangerous homeless people in hotels in midtown Manhattan. Meanwhile, Cuomo had signed legislation to end the cash bail requirement, releasing felons back on the streets immediately after their arrest. Even without the media launching the Racial Reckoning there would have been a significant increase in violence in New York.

    • Replies: @Kaz
    , @Trinity
  72. “A new survey reveals…”

    You can stop reading right there.

    “Experts say… According to many experts…Studies have shown.”

  73. @Jack D

    If Republicans were trying to do this, it would be called racist (“y’all look alike”), but Democrats do it in order to try to give “Asians” some muscle in the Coalition of the Fringes so it’s OK. But in particular South Asians and East Asians are quite distinct from each other and it is only the exigencies of Democrat politics that mandates that they be lumped together as one …

    Good comment, Jack.

    Way down on the list, but if Trump had his stuff together, was intellectually interested, bothered to get decent people breaking up political frauds like “Asian” and–our lone ethnic category!–“Hispanic” and just having realistic racial and ethnic boxes for the bean counters would have helped.

    Caucasian
    — Subgroup Indians

    Mongoloid
    — Subgroup American Indians
    — Subgroup Polynesians

    Negroid

    Aborigines/Papuans/Melanesians

    Mixed
    — Subgroup Mestizo
    — Subgroup Mulatto

    pretty much covers it. Then people select their ethnic (ex. Jewish, Arab) or national origin group (ex. American, English, Irish, Scots-Irish, German, Italian, Mexican, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Filipino … ) or both as well.

    Get something closer to reality. Break up phony anti-white categories like “Hispanic” and “Asian”.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  74. Twinkie says:
    @Jack D

    South Asia and East Asia are really not very descriptive – Indians and Pakistanis are quite different from each other. Mongolians and Taiwanese are a world apart. Japan and the two Koreas have an uneasy relationship.

    We aren’t talking about political relationships here. Indians and Pakistanis are related as are Japanese and Koreans. The Irish and the English didn’t get along either, but they are genetically close.

    East Asians are genetically much more similar to one another than they are to South Asians and vice versa.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
  75. Kaz says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Liberal havens let out a lot of criminals in the name of covid, cops are reluctant to proactively police since the DA or mayors of these cities won’t back them up.

    Emboldened blacks = more abuse for the people in proximity to them, which for the most part is other blacks and stupid Asians that settle near them.

  76. Twinkie says:
    @AnotherDad

    Caucasian
    — Subgroup Indians

    “Caucasian” is a misnomer. Europeans don’t come from the Caucasus so much as are a hybrid of EHG, Anatolian farmers, later steppe arrivals, and a small bit of Siberians (in the case of Russians, Finns, etc.) or Turkic people (Hungarians, etc.).

    And Indians are admixed differently and probably should have their own grouping.

    Mongoloid
    — Subgroup American Indians

    Some of the American Indian groups have origins in the early western Eurasian populations and were displaced by East Asians (Siberian HG + SEA farmers) and should also have their own category.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  77. Trinity says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    (((Media narrative/agenda.))) Blacks have been attacking Asians for DECADES and now all of a sudden, the media notices.

  78. Grifters want to exploit a lucrative niche. Simple as that. When you bring in high-skilled immigrants who represent the top 2% of their competitive homelands, don’t be surprised when they try to monopolize cushy gigs.

    Subcons have the ambition of East Asians, but aren’t held back by the language barrier. So that’s a dangerous combination. They have the English fluency to be SJW grifters, while East Asians do not.

    Any racial attacks that happened in the NYC-NJ region (in the 80s!) were likely perpetrated by either Italians, Irish, Puerto Ricans, or Blacks. Not regular Americans of Anglo-Germanic background.

  79. Currahee says:

    Dot Injuns working v. hard to replace Jews as most hated.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  80. Why not drill down further into discrimination and hostility between Guyanese-Americans of Indian descent, Trinidadian-Indians, Indians from India and Indians born in Saddle River? The navel-gazing is potentially endless.

    Oh wait, the Times sort of did that–back in 2004.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/17/nyregion/indian-twice-removed.html

    “Guyanese curries are less spicy…”
    You don’t say.

  81. @Twinkie

    Twinkie–don’t have a problem with your points.

    My take is both appearance and modern genetics more or less confirms the traditional/Carleton Coonish three major races model.

    Indians are weird as they a bunch of West Eurasian migrations on top of this substrate from the very early coastal migration the Aborigines and Papuans descend from, but highly balkanized by their caste system. So you have Indians who in looks/genetics are very similar to folks on the other side of the Khyber Pass–Afghans, Central Asians, Persians–and at the other end some tribals who look like Aborigines.

    American Indians are the produce of at least a couple different migrations and have evolved separately for 10k+.

    Likewise Polynesians–for a much shorter time–have undergone a selection process for island life that makes them pretty distinct from Taiwanese aboriginals, much less the Chinese. But then you have the Filipinos in between.

    As well as just preferring reality, my target here is the offensive “Hispanic” psuedo-racial ethnic category–our lone ethnic category which has basically nothing to do with the historic American nation–and the phony “Asian” conglomeration.

    How much top-line splitting one wants to do for the racial categories … not of critical interest.

    • Replies: @Spangel223
    , @Twinkie
  82. @Twinkie

    https://usafacts.org/articles/the-diverse-demographics-of-asian-americans/

    E&SE Asians are roughly a little over 70% of the AA population (single-race).

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  83. Ragno says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I have never had an interaction with an Indian that was unpleasant….

    ….outside of op-eds in prestigious journals and newspapers. Ever read one? You’ll wonder how the sing-song friendliness of one of our so-called model minorities metastasized into sneering contempt (for Whitey and Whitey alone, of course) so quickly.

    Although the worst such examples are tenured (and tenure-track) Indian academics who settle in Canada. (You’ll wonder if we’re haven’t been walling up the wrong border all this time.)

  84. My experience dealing with Indians (dot, not feather) is that they tend to be prickly and condescending, not exactly the traits one ought to display if one wishes to be welcomed as a member of the community.

    That may explain Kamala Harris’ unpopularity, she’s got those same personality traits. In all fairness, that could be said about nearly all female Democrat politicians, possibly excepting Tulsi Gabbard.

    • Agree: Trinity
  85. Tim says:

    You want to meet Indians, take the 7 train through Queens

  86. RSDB says:

    From this survey:

    A narrow majority—52 percent—of [Indian-origin] respondents believe that people in the United States discriminate more against all of the other minority groups listed than they do against Indian Americans. That means just less than half of all respondents believe that Indian Americans face a greater degree of discrimination than at least one other minority group. Seventy-three percent of respondents believe that Asian Americans who are not of Indian origin face more discrimination than Indian Americans. Much larger shares believe that other minority groups face greater discrimination than Indian Americans, including Latino Americans (90 percent), LGBTQ Americans (89 percent), African Americans (86 percent), and women (86 percent).

  87. @Jack D

    You know what will happen – they’ll come after you.

    Join or die.

  88. • LOL: Triteleia Laxa
  89. @AnotherDad

    As I recall From David reich, there are major flaws in the three race model based on our current understanding. One is that most of Amerindian natives were technically more closely related to europeans than Asians, and that is not because of recent admixture.

    The second is that malenesians and austorloid aboriginals aren’t more closely related to sub Saharan blacks than Europeans either. Some austroloids have significant denisovan ancestry as well, which makes them less like sub Saharans than basically all the other populations of the world.

    Based on phenotype, Australians look more like blacks and native Americans look more like Asians, but studies on genetic similarities and when populations branched off and mixed with others show otherwise.

  90. @AnotherDad

    Average US household income: $63,688

    Household income by detailed ancestry:

    1 Indian Americans 135,705
    2 Taiwanese Americans 102,405
    3 Australian Americans 100,856
    4 Filipino Americans 100,273
    5 South African Americans 98,212
    6 Macedonian Americans 94,091
    7 Indonesian Americans 93,501
    8 Pakistani Americans 87,509
    9 Iranian Americans 87,288
    10 Lebanese Americans 87,099
    11 Austrian Americans 86,499
    12 Russian Americans 85,989
    13 Lithuanian Americans 85,812
    14 Chinese Americans 85,424
    15 Japanese Americans 85,007

    What can “white supremacy” possibly mean in the context of the detailed truth?

    • Replies: @Escher
    , @No jack london
  91. vhrm says:

    The main article aside, Steve’s observation at the top is something i’d want sociologists or social commentators to start with as a baseline when they write articles or papers:

    Many elderly East Asian immigrants live in urban Chinatowns, which has made them vulnerable to random attacks from black madmen and street thugs rendered exuberant by the media-declared Racial Reckoning. In contrast, South Asians try to live in American suburbs far from urban underclass blacks.

    It would show that they’re operating in the real world at least at some level. Is it so much to ask?

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
  92. Two trends have quite suddenly popped up on television over the last several years: (1) interracial married couples in commercials; (2) Indians, or, more often, Indian-Americans as talking head experts on cable news.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Known Fact
  93. Alden says:
    @Twinkie

    The residents of Chinatowns often arrive in America locked in a shipping container with 2 chemical toilets and 100 other immigrants. When the ship docks on a dark night when the coast guard and harbor authorities are diverted elsewhere, they are herded unto a bus and taken directly to the sweatshops restaurants illegal slaughter housed and other workplaces. That’s why they live in Chinatowns. .

    Indians usually arrive on business or first class flights and are met at the airport by relatives driving expensive cars. They are taken directly to one of the clan mansions in an expensive suburb.

    • Agree: J.Ross
  94. I think it is just that newspaper reports are often lazy or uninformed and don’t want to try to make tricky distinctions between Cambodians, Thais and Burmese, or between Indians and Pakistanis, or between Koreans and Japanese, so the catch all term Asian is convenient and neutral neutral. It implies that the person concerned is not what averageAmericans understand as White or Black or Hispanic.

    And it avoids offending people. There will be people who have one parent who Indian and another parent who is Pakistani, so let’s just call them Asian American, not to be confused with Haitian Americans who are usually considered to be a subdivision of African-Americans.

    African-American is another term that is used lazily to refer to black people who appear to be of the negroid race or at least some kind of admixture. Technically it could include white South Africans like Elon Musk, or Arabic people born in Egypt, but that is not what most people take from it.

    My father was born in Egypt, and my parents met in Nigeria, but took the boat back to England shortly before I was born, otherwise I might be a naturalized African-American, but in fact I can claim to be Hispanic because I can speak Spanish.

    None of it means very much, but newspapers have to have style books, and have to make some kind of attempt to be consistent so as not to offend people.

  95. The massive growth of the Hindu and Sikh population in New Jersey is a direct consequence of the H1B..L1 Visa Program +Family Reunification….They do not belong in America….They are here to vote us into a violently persecuted White Racial Minority within the borders of America…

  96. njguy73 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Take it from me. Edison and Parsippany are de facto Indiatowns.

  97. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @UNIT472

    It really is amazing how quickly this happened. I went from not seeing any 15 years ago to a third or more anytime I visit a retail store in my middle-of-nowhere Midwest metro area.

  98. donut says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Google “medicare fraud” sometime . You’ll get a long list of Indian/Paki names .

  99. donut says:

    We’ve still got this vibrancy to look forward to .

  100. The federal civil rights trial I served on featured an Indian NY City bureaucrat claiming the other bureaucrats in his bureau were mean to him — including calling him “dipstick.” He really was a dork but won the case against the somewhat sleazy looking white-guy bureaucrats (who probably did not want him nosing into their existing deals)

  101. Clyde says:
    @jon

    Virginia Tech football player is facing murder charges after beating a transgender man to death who posed as a woman
    I didn’t know we were allowed to talk about them like that.
    https://thesource.com/2021/06/10/virginia-tech-football-player-kills-transgender-tinder-date-after-finding-out-he-was-a-man/

    I am astounded that this tranny killing psycho got out on $75,000 bond in this day and age. He should have sucked it up and moved on. Meat head will now be locked up for a few decades. He can do lots more weight lifting in prison.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  102. anon[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    America is just a big pinata, and everyone wants to take a whack at it with a stick to see what goodies fall out.

    On behalf of all Piñata-Americans I am offended! We don’t want everyone to get a whack! Just us! Just Us!

    JustUs for Piñata-Americans!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  103. Clyde says:
    @I, Libertine

    Two trends have quite suddenly popped up on television over the last several years: (1) interracial married couples in commercials; (2) Indians, or, more often, Indian-Americans as talking head experts on cable news.

    Dot Indians sure like to talk their real or fake expertise on ye boobTube. Contrast this with our resident Chinese that vastly outnumber The Dots. Yet are never on TV as a cable news talking head.

  104. @I, Libertine

    They increasingly seem to pop up as “experts” in print as well, usually lecturing Americans about the need for more immigration and open borders

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  105. @Clyde

    And the Sikhs I’d see around Jackson Heights or Liberty Ave often do not look like easy prey for crazy blacks to wanna mess with

    • Agree: RSDB
  106. @Mike Tre

    Hahaaa! But, still, count your change, Mike.

  107. @Clyde

    What’s the SBA minority loan interest rate, and what’s the standard for a non-SBA loan?

    • Replies: @Clyde
  108. @Known Fact

    When the Covid epidemic started, I saw a crazy number of Subcon doctors on TV. Easily over 50% of the doctors being presented as “experts” on TV were of this ethnic origin.

    According to what I’ve read, they are 10-15% of doctors. So this overrepresentation was a bit odd, to say the least….

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    , @Twinkie
  109. @RSDB

    Sure, that’s only fair, but now they’ve screwed it all up by renaming the place, so they are Sri Lankans.

    That one is so stupid-sounding that I’d rather be called a Sub-sub-continental.

    Also, regarding your point, are we going to get chewed out as White people in the media for mistaking Ceylonese* with Indians? “How offensive!” “To whom?” “Well, … EVERYBODY!”

    .

    * See, I like that one. All the British names are great and romantic-sounding.

    • Replies: @RSDB
  110. @UNIT472

    Wait. Curry and avarice? I thought it was supposed to be incense and pachouli.

    Hey, anyone got any guesses as to where Al Stewart was singing about? I figure the Orient, but maybe I’m just listening that into it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Clyde
  111. @njguy73

    And Plainfield and South Plainfield….

    There is an obvious reason why the Nov 3 POTUS Election was very close…..1965….And Trump Voters are oblivious to this while they were cheering in a state of euphoria Simms to McC0nkey in Giant Stadium…

  112. @JohnnyWalker123

    When my dad retired down near West Palm he had almost nothing but subcon doctors over about 12-15 years there. One white female surgeon was an exception. Keeping their names straight was a challenge. He was generally satisfied despite the lack of bedside manner.

    I think Indians are over-represented as talking heads on TV because they are smooth and glib but still give you some brown quotient. Blacks and Wise Latinas are not always so easy to book.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  113. RSDB says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I would prefer Serendipitous-Americans but I don’t think I can get anybody to use that. “Lanka” at least has the benefit of reminding people that it is the same island as the one ruled by demons in Indian mythology.

    Also, regarding your point, are we going to get chewed out as White people in the media for mistaking Ceylonese* with •Indians?

    Well, you will be better off doing that than calling an Irishman English.

  114. J.Ross says:
    @Currahee

    Not necessarily most hated but they want the same societal sector: strivers directly controlling the boring nuts and bolts of economy and government, less intelligent cousins shepherding the minds of the millions through academia and media.

  115. J.Ross says:
    @Thoughts

    East Asians come from one of two places: a higher-trust society than any whites have produced, where this sort of utterly brainless unprovoked violence simply cannot be expected to erupt, or a society like the PRC where, despite being in a lower trust society than any whites have produced, they develop self-endangering tunnel vision. Either way, they make ideal victims, which is why they are targeted. Once they bring that hand-eye coordination online, however, it will be as though the Democrat city governments permitted police to exist.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  116. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    The differences between (Northwestern) Indians and Pakistanis are due to political divergences, not race: you’ll find Pakistanis who claim to have Arab/Persian/Turk ancestors, but that’s BS, they are South Asians. It’s the same as the divergences between mainland Chinese and Taiwanese or Han Singaporeans (many of whom strongly dislike immigration from the PRC despite it being the only thing that keeps Singapore’s Han demographically dominant), or on the other side of the subcontinent, Bangladeshis and Indian Banglas.

    That said, I agree with your point entirely. You could also extend this to Latin Americans: an Argentinian of purely European extraction and an indio Guatemalan have nothing in common besides speaking Spanish, not even a skin color. If the Republicans were smart, they’d mess with this for all that it is worth and not give a damn whether some effete leftist calls them racist. They are racist no matter what they do, as they could well point out.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  117. Clyde says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    No good answer for you but>>>

    In terms of ethnicity, whites account for 49% of all SBA loans, with 23% Asian, 17% undetermined, 7% Hispanic, 3% black, and 1% American Indian. Like women, minorities are more likely to start a business without financing from a bank. As can be seen from the SBA office of advocacy report on small business financing options by ethnicity, 8.1% of non-minorities are likely to get a small business bank loan compared to Asian (7.0%), African American (3.2%) and Hispanic (3.6%).

    However, it should be borne in mind that this is due to the fact that there are greater numbers of white male businesses that are applying for loans and in a position to succeed. It does not necessarily imply any kind of bias in the loan system itself, which have a rigorous and mathematical process of determining the success of each individual application. The information is also voluntary as per the SBA disclaimer:

    I think Subcons getting SBA loans is in the vein of they just got here, and now they can get an SBA loan with not much of a business track record in the USA. If I were a dot Indian I would get as large SBA loan as possible for my restaurant, gas station, 7-11 store. If my business fails and the SBA wants to be paid. Just skedaddle back to India, Pakistan, whatever. A real operator will take on a cousin’s identity in India. Return to America, start afresh with SBA loans. This time for a car wash. Cash business of course! Paying taxes is for Americans.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  118. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Absolutely the greatest R & R song ever!

    • Replies: @anon
  119. Clyde says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Year Of The Cat explained here. Plus some very nice guitar by Al Stewart from 1982 live version.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  120. Clyde says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Is there any way at this point that we can reverse the immigration and get back to 1950s demographics? If American whites are so violent and racist, expelling everyone shouldn’t be that difficult. At this point, who should care if it would be violent and ugly?

    Might be hard to believe but in 1950 the USA was 89% white, 10% black (now at 13%) and 1% other. Perhaps 1.5%- 2% other, meaning Native Americans, Hispanics, Chinese, Japanese etc. I am talking the Continental United States. Including Puerto Rico would have upped the Hispanic percentage.

    1950–Just about all our Hispanics lived in California and the American South West.

  121. @Clyde

    Good point. I didn’t consider that. Getting a loan as a new immigrant is a huge life line. It’s interesting how much more represented Asians are (per capita) than Hispanics and especially Blacks.

    I wonder if you have to collateralize the loan against some type of property? Or could you borrow a lot of money, pay yourself, and then hop a plane back to Delhi/Shanghai/Tehran/Tel Aviv/Moscow?

    Immigrants usually undeclare their income. Every immigrant contractor that I’ve known (Mexican, Brazilian, Vietnamese, Eastern Euro, etc) wanted to be paid in CASH, not check. There’s a lot of untaxed income in immigrant communities. Keeping professional records and honestly reporting income is an Anglo-Germanic thing.

  122. @peterike

    “The only positive thing about Chinese immigration is that it’s not quite as destructive as Indian immigration.”

    Coming from you, that’s the equivalent of “she doesn’t sweat much for a fat girl.”

  123. @Clyde

    “He should have sucked it up and moved on.”

    You must believe it is better to give than to receive.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  124. anon[752] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Absolutely the greatest R & R song ever!

    I think I heard it once. In an elevator.

    Cat? Something about a cat? Maybe scratched you?

  125. vhrm says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Is there any way at this point that we can reverse the immigration and get back to 1950s demographics? If American whites are so violent and racist, expelling everyone shouldn’t be that difficult. At this point, who should care if it would be violent and ugly?

    Unfortunately there is not. However, i’ll point out yet again that the main problem is convincing other white people that open borders are not great.

    Heck, the alt-right (or regular right) can’t even convince the Republicans to make E-Verify mandatory or at least take seriously punishing employers of illegals OR expel said illegal migrants. These things are 10x or 100x easier than would be expelling naturalized citizens or us born children.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Twinkie
  126. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @vhrm

    Heck, the alt-right (or regular right) can’t even convince the Republicans to make E-Verify mandatory

    Huh. Can’t convince the Chamber of Commerce / donor class to marginally increase their labor costs in the short term in order to improve the country in the longer term?

    Mysterious!

  127. Escher says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    South African Americans 98,212

    How much of this income is skewed by you know who from South Africa?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @vhrm
    , @Twinkie
  128. Dmon says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I have never had an unpleasant interaction with a squirrel, but I still don’t want ’em in my attic.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  129. By Sumitra Badrinathan, Devesh Kapur, Jonathan Kay and Milan Vaishnav

    Sumitra Badrinathan = A Hindi Arab’s tantrum.

    Devesh Kapur = Ever had pusk?

    Jonathan Kay = Jay not a Khan.

    Milan Vaishnav = Почему я здесь? кто эти индийские точки? Мне нужно поговорить с моим советником…

  130. @Mike Tre

    Clean and orderly convenience marts tucked into gas stations…

    Don’t forget keeping all those wonderful postwar “motor hotels” in business.

  131. SOL says:

    Are they the second-largest immigrant community now? The hell.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  132. Twinkie says:
    @AnotherDad

    my target here is the offensive “Hispanic” psuedo-racial ethnic category–our lone ethnic category which has basically nothing to do with the historic American nation–and the phony “Asian” conglomeration.

    On this I agree (but I think you knew that).

  133. Twinkie says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks. I predicted a couple of years ago that the Indian segment of the Asian population in the U.S. would soon overtake that of Filipinos and would rival that of the Chinese. I see that I was not wrong. If anything, I underpredicted how rapidly the Indian population would grow since.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @JohnnyWalker123
  134. Twinkie says:
    @vhrm

    Heck, the alt-right (or regular right) can’t even convince the Republicans to make E-Verify mandatory or at least take seriously punishing employers of illegals OR expel said illegal migrants. These things are 10x or 100x easier than would be expelling naturalized citizens or us born children.

    Agreed! Except for the “10x or 100x” part. Mandating E-Verify and punishing employers of unauthorized workers should be 1000x or 10,000x times easier than expelling naturalized citizens on US-born children (I would guess that a sizable majority of not just the population, but voters supports E-Verify and such while almost all citizens would balk at the more extreme ideas such as expulsions of citizens).

  135. TyRade says:
    @Voltarde

    Have look at ‘White Tiger’ on Netflix to appreciate why Indians flee their home $hit hole. Here’s the killer quote explaining why caste/class shows no one has much to teach Indians about discrimination: “The greatest thing to come out of this country… is the Rooster Coop. The roosters in the coop smell the blood from above. They see the organs of their brothers…They know they’re next. Yet they do not rebel. They do not try to get out of the coop. The very same thing is done with human beings in this country.” Or (if you dare) simply go there and experience a simultaneous assault on all the senses (including the moral).

  136. @Trinity

    But giving those local poor people charity would mean *shudder* interacting with them! Ain’t no respectable upper middle class person going to do that when there’s no woke points to be gained from the exercise.

    There’s a reason why the saying ‘charity begins at home’ was coined, but it’s ignored just as much today as it was then.

  137. @SOL

    2nd largest legal immigrant “community”?

  138. @Known Fact

    Indians may be over represented as talking heads simply because Dr Sanjay Gupta is ubiquitous on TV.

    Gupta was born in the United States so he doesn’t speak with a sing-song accent and actually comes across as a decent, honest, and sincere guy, which is a great rarity in the world of talking heads like the medical mafia boss Dr.Fauci.

    Maybe all is not as it seems, but if that is the case I don’t know it.

  139. @Dmon

    Dmon, that is too funny. I like my neighborhood squirrels too…in the yard. Your name could be D’mon or D-Mon or DaMon. Stay save. Look a squirrel!

  140. Lurker says:
    @nebulafox

    Agree.

    The near meaningless ‘hispanic’ category is ripe for attack/division.

  141. @anon

    There are heavily Indian sections in Silicon Valley/South Bay cities, e.g., Sunnyvale.

  142. If you want a vision of the future, picture a subcon Brahmin waggling his head and scolding you for your insolence you filthy American, forever.

  143. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie

    The Philippines has (compared to India) a much smaller population and a somewhat higher standard of living. With 1.3 billion people, India is capable of sending us an endless # of immigrants. Even if you only count the top 10% of the population that speaks English and is reasonably well educated, that’s still close to 150 million people who can make 10x their former salary the moment they step off the plane. The average programmer in India makes $400/month.

  144. @Triteleia Laxa

    I’d look real close at #1,8,9,10 and12 (Jews) they are exceptionally good at hiding and embezzlement.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  145. @Escher

    Sorry, I should have included that it is “median income”. Musk would make no difference.

  146. @Twinkie

    I’d assume this is due to gaming the alphabet soup of worker visas (H-1B, H-4, OPT, L1, B1, etc) over the last 25 years. Indians heavily utilize these visas to settle in America, then bring in their spouses and families. Though due to how the immigration system works, a lot of these immigrants spend decades in limbo, waiting for a green card.

    The non-Indian Asians primarily migrate through the family reunification route. It’s harder to manipulate the numbers here, but at least you get your green card quickly.

    So the non-Indian Asian population is growing steadily through family-based migration, while the Indian population is absolutely skyrocketing due to manipulation of the worker visa system.

    There was a bill (EAGLE Act) introduced recently to allow those on worker visas to get green cards much more quickly. That would not only enable the Indian population to keep growing, but it would make their presence PERMANENT. Currently, lots of them are only here “temporarily” (in theory if not reality), with a decades-long wait for permanent status. In theory, a lot of them could be forced out by legislative changes, but that would become impossible if the Eagle Act passes.

  147. vhrm says:
    @Escher

    How much of this income is skewed by you know who from South Africa?

    It doesn’t because those are median numbers (50th percentile value) even though the post contains the word “average”. The data appears to be from the US Census Bureau’s ACS and they always report median and other percentiles
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income#Detailed_ancestry

    They report this (i assume) because of the power law distribution of income. Which makes average values not so useful for all groups because of the issue that you mention.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law#Lack_of_well-defined_average_value

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Thanks: Escher
  148. Twinkie says:
    @Escher

    How much of this income is skewed by you know who from South Africa?

    South Africans who have emigrated are substantially highly educated and credentialed whites with portable job skills, including physicians, pilots, petroleum engineers, and the like.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  149. Twinkie says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    According to what I’ve read, they are 10-15% of doctors. So this overrepresentation was a bit odd, to say the least….

    There are a little under one million physicians in the U.S. and those from India are over 80,000 (roughly 8.5% of the total physician force). India is absolutely the top source country for foreign medical graduates (foreign doctors who come to the U.S., do residency, and practice).

    As of about 2012, they were only 40,000 or so. In other words, in less than a decade, they more than doubled. And this is not likely to stop anytime soon. Within the next several decades, it is likely Indian doctors will account for a huge fraction of physicians in the U.S., perhaps around 25-50% (don’t forget their children born in the U.S. also become physicians at very high rates, so there will be a compounding effect).

  150. @Twinkie

    This 2017 survey claims 8.3% of physicians are Asian Indians. This includes foreign&native born.

    https://www.medscape.com/features/slideshow/lifestyle/2017/overview#page=7

    This 2005 survey claims 5.3% of physicians identified as Hindu. 14.1% identified as Jewish.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1490160/

    So let’s say nearly a tenth of US doctors are Indian. Though if you include Pakis and other South Asians, that figure is likely a bit higher. 10-12% seems like a reasonable estimate.

  151. BigHead says:
    @Hannah Katz

    In my experience, Vegetarianism is not exactly a choice among the Indians. There seem to be family and local traditions associated with the practice, which tie in with the local brand of hinduism. When I asked a coworker why he was a vegetarian, he said it was because his parents were, and his parents were because their parents had been, etc. It was a tradition that “everybody did” where he came from in North India.

  152. BigHead says:
    @UNIT472

    I’m in an area which is heavily colonized by Indians, but one thing I can tell you is that they don’t seem to announce their presence or large numbers. I don’t see many Indians shopping at my local Walmarts, Targets, or Costcos, though there are some elderly Indians working at the Walmarts now. They seem to prefer “Indian” grocery stores, which do exist, though I’m not sure where.

    On the other hand, Indians have completely taken over some of the cheapest apartment communities. If you drive through certain neighborhoods, it’s like an Indian ghetto, but without the loud music, parties, and menacing behavior. An Indian coworker of mine lives in a large complex where I have yet to see anyone who is not an Indian walking around or driving

  153. epebble says:
    @Altai

    So one should prefer killers like blacks and Muslims over kvetchers like Jews and Indians? I prefer barking dogs over biting dogs.

    • Replies: @Altai
  154. @Twinkie

    Presumably, that includes native-born too.

    This Medscape survey corroborates the 80,0000 figure.

    https://www.medscape.com/features/slideshow/lifestyle/2017/overview#page=7

    So perhaps let’s say ~60,000 foreign-born and ~25,000 native-born. Roughly.

  155. rec1man says:
    @Hannah Katz

    Vegetarianism depends on caste

    Brahmins and merchants tend to be vegetarian

  156. @Anonymous

    there has always been a sizable Chinese student population at MIT

    For sure. When I was there (late 60s), any time I went to the library, all I saw were Chinese. Well, Oriental anyway (that was the correct racial identifier at the time)–I didn’t verify their country of origin.

  157. Altai says:
    @epebble

    Poor marginalised people don’t have as much power to influence policy and they don’t populate the social spaces and workplaces of the upper classes who make media copy and political decisions.

    They will produce outcomes to invite many more of both themselves and the poor violent immigrant.

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