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With the whole world rushing to issue press releases announcing they have cut all ties with Donald Trump for mentioning the I-word, I’m struck by the dog that hasn’t barked: Bill Clinton, who has long been said to be a member of the Trump National Golf Club – Westchester. Bill doesn’t appear to be in any hurry to inconvenience himself, especially not if it might mean having to reschedule some tee times at the peak of the busy summer golf season. From a 2011 article in Westchester Magazine:

Bill, an employee, Arnie, and Donald in front of one of the Donald’s stupid artificial waterfalls

The next time you tee it up at one of Westchester’s country clubs, don’t be surprised if you spot a celebrity or two on the course with you. Just remember to wait until after they sink that knee-knocker putt to ask for an autograph.

The famous (and infamous) practically have their own wing in the locker room at Trump National Golf Club in Briarcliff. Chief among them is former Commander in Chief Bill Clinton, aka the president of the United States (his handicap is a state secret, as are his tee times).

The Donald himself not only belongs to the club but owns it, of course, and carries a 3.7 handicap index — for real!

Politico reports:

Trump has also been generous with the Clinton Foundation, donating at least $100,000, according to the non-profit.

Bill Clinton himself told Jon Stewart on June 17, 2015:

“He [Trump] has been, believe it or not, uncommonly nice to Hillary and me,” Clinton replied. “He thought Hillary was a good senator for New York after 9/11 and he has actually, he’s one of the many Republicans who supported our foundation before they got the memo.”

In 2012, Bill Clinton told Harvey Weinstein:

“You know, Donald Trump has been uncommonly nice to Hillary and me. We’re all New Yorkers. And I like him. And I love playing golf with him.”

Perhaps somebody should ask Candidate Clinton if it’s true her husband is still a member of a Trump National country club?

 
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  1. You gotta win to get love. I mean, that’s just life. Look at…look at Don Shula. Legendary coach. Look at that Asian guy who holds the world record for eatin’ all those hot dogs in a row. Look at Rue McClanahan. From The Golden Girls. Three people, all great champions, all loved.

    Look at Trump. Legendary, legendary club. Everything is the best, the best presidential club. The cougar and the driver can be friends. If the cougar and driver ain’t friends you need a new driver.

  2. @Sailer

    If Clinton wasn’t pissed at you before, he probably is now, for noticin’ dontcha know.

    OK I actually have a Bill Clinton Golf joke.

    A man takes the day off work and decides to go out golfing. He is on the second hole when he notices a frog sitting next to the green. He thinks nothing of it and is about to shoot when he hears, “Ribbit 9 Iron.”

    The man looks around and doesn’t see anyone. Again, he hears, “Ribbit 9 Iron.”

    He looks at the frog and decides to prove the frog wrong, puts the club away, and grabs a 9 iron. Boom! He hits it 10 inches from the cup. He is shocked.

    He says to the frog, “Wow that’s amazing. You must be a lucky frog, eh?

    The frog reply’s,”Ribbit Lucky frog.”

    The man decides to take the frog with him to the next hole. “What do you think frog?,” the man asks.

    “Ribbit 3 wood.”

    The guy takes out a 3 wood and, Boom! Hole in one. The man is befuddled and doesn’t know what to say. By the end of the day, the man golfed the best game of golf in his life and asks the frog,”OK where to next?”

    The frog replies, “Ribbit Las Vegas.”

    They go to Las Vegas and the guy says, “OK frog, now what?”

    The frog says,”Ribbit Roulette.”

    Upon approaching the roulette table, the man asks, “What do you think I should bet?”

    The frog replies, “Ribbit $3000, black 6.”

    Now, this is a million-to-one shot to win, but after the golf game, the man figures what the heck. Boom! Tons of cash comes sliding back across the table. The man takes his winnings and buys the best room in the hotel. He sits the frog down and says,”Frog, I don’t know how to repay you. You’ve won me all this money and I am forever grateful”.

    The frog replies, “Ribbit Kiss Me.”

    He figures why not, since after all the frog did for him, he deserves it. With a kiss, the frog turns into a gorgeous 15-year-old girl.

    “And that, your honor, is how the girl ended up in my room. So help me God or my name is not William Jefferson Clinton.”

  3. Why don’t you like the waterfalls? Do you think it doesn’t look good on golf courses or something?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    An artificial waterfall could be nice on a golf course if the designer went to the enormous expense to make it look natural. So far, they look forced.

    Replies: @Stan D Mute

  4. Makes you wonder about Trump’s campaign and how serious it really is. Maybe it’s a ploy to help Hillary win the general?

    • Replies: @Thomas Fuller
    @Anonymous

    This is worth a read, if only for the ingenious insults the author heaps on the entire political class:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-13/donald-trump-false-flag-candidate

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    How would this new post by Trump fit into that ploy?: http://on.fb.me/1M8fyLG

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    While it is true that Trump has brought publicity to the anti-immigrationist cause, I don't trust him. On foreign policy there is little to distinguish him from the rest of the Republican field. And he is a creature of the system. All those parasites who constitute our political and financial elite - Trump lives amongst them, socializes with them, does business with them.

    Replies: @Lugash, @Glossy, @Jefferson

    , @International Jew
    @Anonymous


    Makes you wonder about Trump’s campaign and how serious it really is. Maybe it’s a ploy to help Hillary win the general?
     
    Can't rule that out, but is that how the Dems would go about doing it? I think a designated graceful loser would look more like John McCain: war hero, macho, gravitasful, yet careful to avoid inflammatory subjects like immigration (except within tightly confined boundaries of politically correct language). Remember, Dems think the Republican base is always just a hair's-breadth away from falling in line with a charismatic Hitler figure. They'd never take that chance...or so I think.

    Trump is just trying way too hard, burning his bridges, and most of all kicking off a real discussion about immigration that could catch fire like nothing else ever has.

    The only way I'm prepared to believe he's a "false flag" candidate, is if it's his own rogue operation driven by insanity.

    Replies: @rod1963, @Hibernian

  5. OK one more Clinton joke.

    A group of Trump campaign staffers and a group of Clinton Campaign staffers sat in the same train car on the way to Iowa.

    Each of the Clinton Campaign staffers had his/her train ticket, but it became clear that the group of Trump campaign staffers had only ONE ticket amongst them. The Clinton Campaign staffers started laughing and snickering.

    One of the Trump campaign staffers said, “Here comes the conductor,” and they all went into the bathroom. The Clinton Campaign staffers were puzzled. The conductor came aboard, and said, “Tickets please!” collecting tickets from all of the Clinton Campaign staffers.

    He then went to the bathroom, knocked on the door and said, “Ticket please.” The Trump campaign staffers stuck the ticket under the door. The conductor took it and left, and the Trump campaign staffers came out of the bathroom a few minutes later.

    The Clinton Campaign staffers were impressed. On the way back from Iowa, the group of Clinton Campaign staffers had one ticket for the group. However, the Trump campaign staffers didn’t buy any tickets. The Clinton Campaign staffers were once again confused.

    One of the Trump campaign staffers said, “Conductor coming!” and, once again, they all went into one bathroom. All of the Clinton Campaign staffers scrambled into another bathroom.

    Just before the conductor came on board, one of the Trump campaign staffers left his bathroom, knocked on the Clinton Campaign staffers’ bathroom, and said, “Ticket please.”

  6. because Bill Clinton is shameless.

  7. @Anonymous
    Why don't you like the waterfalls? Do you think it doesn't look good on golf courses or something?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    An artificial waterfall could be nice on a golf course if the designer went to the enormous expense to make it look natural. So far, they look forced.

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
    @Steve Sailer


    An artificial waterfall could be nice on a golf course if the designer went to the enormous expense to make it look natural. So far, they look forced.
     
    So I suppose you have an issue with little windmills, clown shoes, loop-the-loops, and clown faces too?

    Golf snob!

    Replies: @Alfa158

  8. @Anonymous
    Makes you wonder about Trump's campaign and how serious it really is. Maybe it's a ploy to help Hillary win the general?

    Replies: @Thomas Fuller, @Dave Pinsen, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew

    This is worth a read, if only for the ingenious insults the author heaps on the entire political class:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-13/donald-trump-false-flag-candidate

  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Somewhat related: I just saw a riveting documentary about the struggle of vigilante groups against the Mexican cartels called “Cartel Land”. Somehow the director, Matthew Heineman, got close-up access to a Mexican vigilante group, an American vigilante group, and some cartel members themselves in action. It’s a gritty, scary portrait of an issue that, as Steve has often pointed out, is hidden from the American public. And it’s rich in ambiguity. The vigilantes, including the ones in Arizona, are treated with surprising sympathy, which has confused leftist reviewers who otherwise liked the film. Go see it, Steve, and write about it. It’s at the Arclight.

  10. Bill looks to be wearing a men’s Spanx undergarment.

  11. • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Anonymous

    This NY Post article, oozing with triumphant sarcasm as it presents Pao and her husband as the shameless grifters that they are, is one of the greatest troll jobs I have seen in the mainstream media.

  12. Best Clinton joke?

    Janet Reno.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @njguy73

    Not to the dead at Waco.

    Replies: @njguy73

  13. Bubba getting word of Steve’s idea

    SAILER!!! (Wrath of Khan voice)

  14. Excellent commentary on the “five state strategy” and why Clinton v. Bush will be forced down our throats…

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/07/13/why-i-support-donald-trumps-campaign-and-its-probably-not-what-you-think/#more-103649

  15. From NY Post article Ellen Pao, hedgie husband are losing power-couple status

    http://nypost.com/2015/07/12/ellen-pao-hedgie-husband-are-losing-their-power-couple-status/

    On June 29, lawyers for the Dakota, the iconic Manhattan apartment building overlooking Central Park at 72nd Street, asked a judge to dismiss Fletcher’s 2010 discrimination suit. He claimed he was denied the opportunity to buy a fifth unit in the building because of his race.

    In 2010, as he applied to purchase his fifth apartment in the 94-unit building, Fletcher had $8 million in assets, including $50,000 in cash — but $20 million in liabilities, court documents show.
    He needed $5.7 million in cash to buy the apartment.

    He had $50k, just a little over $5.6 million short. Those racists!

    “He was looting his own company and defrauding his investors,” Dakota lawyer Christine Chung pointed out in court papers, referencing the Chapter 11.

    Note: Chung (BA, Yale, JD, Harvard) has a long line of black male persecution (and prosecution). From her bio at Quinn, Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan:

    During her tenure as a federal prosecutor, Ms. Chung tried boxing promoter Don King on insurance fraud charges… From 2004 to 2007, Ms. Chung worked as a Senior Trial Attorney at the International Criminal Court (“ICC”). She led the ICC investigation of Joseph Kony in Uganda and also prosecuted perpetrators of war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Darfur region of the Sudan and the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Pat Gilligan

    I remember reading awhile back, that at some of the NYC apartment complexes/co-ops that require approval from all homeowners to buy an apartment within the building, prospective buyers are often required to not only be able to afford to buy the apartment but to also have a certain (very high) net worth, well above the purchase price of the apartment they wish to purchase.

    (I'm sorry but I don't have time right now to try to find an article that would support what I'm saying.)

    Replies: @PV van der Byl

  16. Hey guys, I have bad news:

    The media OWNS your sorry asses, and they think it’s funny…

    • Replies: @fish
    @Truth

    Larry Brown.....REALLY?

    Thanks Truth.... no wonder Al Davis died before his time....he could never not overpay for flashy mediocrity!

  17. Something to think about: What are the two businesses that are most infamous for hiring illegals? Construction/Real Estate development and hotels/casinos.
    Who literally made his name famous in those two businesses? Anyone? Anyone? Beuller?

  18. “He thought Hillary was a good senator for New York after 9/11 and he has actually, he’s one of the many Republicans who supported our foundation before they got the memo.”

    Of course Trump supported the Clinton Foundation. Yiu scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours. What folks don’t realize is that the 1% and politicians are often good buddies, despite their public politics.

    John Kenneth Galbraith and his wife were good friends with William F. Buckley and his wife (according to Galbraith’s wife, a nice old lady who chatted with me 25 years ago while sucking my blood for the Red Cross), although their politics were diametrically opposed.

    Bill Clinton is not going to get sucked into proving his PC credentials by making dramatic public gestures for the sake of lefty solidarity, God bless him.

  19. “BUT TRUTH, MY SUPREME IDOL AND THE SMARTEST MAN I’VE EVER MET, IT’S JUST A COINCIDENCE, ISN’T IT?”

  20. @njguy73
    Best Clinton joke?

    Janet Reno.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Not to the dead at Waco.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Jim Don Bob

    Too soon?

  21. Off-topic:

    The New Horizons spacecraft makes its Pluto flyby:

    http://io9.com/new-horizons-is-making-its-closest-approach-to-pluto-ri-1717571552

    Not seeing too many Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds among the New Horizons team….

    Of course, that’s not really surprising:

    Global map that is scaled according to scientific research:

    http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=205

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
    @syonredux


    Global map that is scaled according to scientific research:
     
    Wait, what happened to Africa?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @inertial
    @syonredux

    Global scientific research map = global grant availability map. I'd like to see a map scaled according to the ethnic origin of the researchers.

    Oh, and let's limit that map just to STEM.

  22. Bill Clinton is just from a different generation. He may be a liberal (really more of an unprincipled opportunist), but he doesn’t have SJW, Twitter, YouTube, Daily Show, anti-Straight-Cisgendered-White-Male-ism in his guts the way so many younger illiberal leftist fanatics do. Remember the Hillary-Obama marathon of 2008? Mr. C. said some rather impolitic (though true FTMP) things about the contest that would have destroyed the career of many a Republican.

    And, politics aside, Clinton and Trump just both like p***y. They dig each other.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    @Noah172

    He is a sociopath, and while he hasn't internalized the squiggles, he repeats them all the same when convienient.

  23. Off-topic:

    Zoe Kravitz, the biracial daughter of biracial parents, ruminates on White culture and Black culture:

    These days, the young star and her folks get along, er, famously—so much so, in fact, that she and her dad got matching “Free at last” tattoos about a year ago. But it wasn’t only her parents’ celebrity that hampered Kravitz’s ability to feel like she belonged while growing up. As one of few black kids in her predominately white school, she remembers saying things like, “I’m just as white as y’all,” to her classmates. “I identified with white culture, and I wanted to fit in,” she says. “I didn’t identify with black culture, like, I didn’t like Tyler Perry movies, and I wasn’t into hip-hop music. I liked Neil Young.” But as time went on, her views shifted. “Black culture is so much deeper than that,” she says, “but unfortunately that is what’s fed through the media. That’s what people see. That’s what I saw. But then I got older and listened to A Tribe Called Quest and watched films with Sidney Poitier, and heard Billie Holiday and Nina Simone. I had to un-brainwash myself. It’s my mission, especially as an actress.”

    http://www.nylon.com/articles/zoe-kravitz-august-2015

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @syonredux

    So, black culture is about blackness and the history of being black? I don't really think Eurocentrism works along those lines, but I guess it's hard to harp on whiteness if every European society is basically white. I don't really think Afrocentrism, the kind practiced by Africans in all-black societies, works that way either.

    , @Rotten
    @syonredux

    It sounds like Zoe Kravitz is figuring out how the world works. A white self identity is a dead end for her.

    Her sex appeal to men, as an actress and as a person is just going to be greater to black men than to white men. Period. So she's getting on board with what works.

  24. @Anonymous
    Makes you wonder about Trump's campaign and how serious it really is. Maybe it's a ploy to help Hillary win the general?

    Replies: @Thomas Fuller, @Dave Pinsen, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew

    How would this new post by Trump fit into that ploy?: http://on.fb.me/1M8fyLG

  25. @Anonymous
    Makes you wonder about Trump's campaign and how serious it really is. Maybe it's a ploy to help Hillary win the general?

    Replies: @Thomas Fuller, @Dave Pinsen, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew

    While it is true that Trump has brought publicity to the anti-immigrationist cause, I don’t trust him. On foreign policy there is little to distinguish him from the rest of the Republican field. And he is a creature of the system. All those parasites who constitute our political and financial elite – Trump lives amongst them, socializes with them, does business with them.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    @Mr. Anon

    There's a split between what people want out of Trump.

    There's Trump the Presidential Candidate. Most of the public and a chunk of the Republican membership and leadership view him as a candidate. Realistically, he's got a very, very small chance at becoming president(but not as bad as you would think).

    Then there's Trump, Destroyer of the GOP. In the eyes of the Republican base, he will foil Jeb's presidential aspirations, which is a good thing. The chances of Trump doing this are pretty good right now. The Republican leadership knows this and is shitting itself over it. They've pissed all over the GOP base, and now the base has a way to get back at them.

    , @Glossy
    @Mr. Anon

    I read years ago that Trump sometimes pairs up with other developers on projects where his only contribution is his brand name. The other developer gets the financing and organizes the construction and Trump is just paid for branding the project Trump Tower, Trump Village or whatever.

    The Trump brand is likely the most valuable thing he has. To maintain its value he has to contantly keep it in the news. How does he do that? Tabloid stories about bimboes, that TV show where he shouted "you're fired", WWE appearances, now a presidential campaign.

    I remember him staging a publicity stunt where he talked about how he would rebuild the World Trade Center. He even showed plastic models. He wasn't going to rebuild the WTC, he didn't even have the lease, but it got him on the news. Free publicity.

    Compared to old tabloid headlines about Ivana and Marla Maples the WTC stunt was boring. What really keeps you in the news is controversy. So he's now generating it with politics. Saying bad things about Mexicans is controversial. In other words the campaign is another stunt. The people who take his "positions" seriously are idiots.

    Replies: @Duke of Qin, @Dave Pinsen

    , @Jefferson
    @Mr. Anon

    "While it is true that Trump has brought publicity to the anti-immigrationist cause, I don’t trust him. On foreign policy there is little to distinguish him from the rest of the Republican field"

    So you care more about foreign policy than domestic policy. You would vote for a politician who is pro-amnesty and open borders as long as she or he is anti-war. You would blend right in Berkeley, California for example where most people are anti-Neocon but are pro-DIEversity. They do not support wars in the Middle East but they support sanctuary cities for Illegal Immigrants and glee with joy at the thought of Whites becoming the demographic Minority in the U.S. War is always bad, but America is a nation of immigrants and diversity is our strength is their motto.

  26. @Truth
    Hey guys, I have bad news:

    The media OWNS your sorry asses, and they think it's funny...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhCsYlWdh0k

    Replies: @fish

    Larry Brown…..REALLY?

    Thanks Truth…. no wonder Al Davis died before his time….he could never not overpay for flashy mediocrity!

  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Gilligan
    From NY Post article Ellen Pao, hedgie husband are losing power-couple status

    http://nypost.com/2015/07/12/ellen-pao-hedgie-husband-are-losing-their-power-couple-status/

    On June 29, lawyers for the Dakota, the iconic Manhattan apartment building overlooking Central Park at 72nd Street, asked a judge to dismiss Fletcher’s 2010 discrimination suit. He claimed he was denied the opportunity to buy a fifth unit in the building because of his race.
    ...
    In 2010, as he applied to purchase his fifth apartment in the 94-unit building, Fletcher had $8 million in assets, including $50,000 in cash — but $20 million in liabilities, court documents show.
    He needed $5.7 million in cash to buy the apartment.
     
    He had $50k, just a little over $5.6 million short. Those racists!

    “He was looting his own company and defrauding his investors,” Dakota lawyer Christine Chung pointed out in court papers, referencing the Chapter 11.
     
    Note: Chung (BA, Yale, JD, Harvard) has a long line of black male persecution (and prosecution). From her bio at Quinn, Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan:

    During her tenure as a federal prosecutor, Ms. Chung tried boxing promoter Don King on insurance fraud charges... From 2004 to 2007, Ms. Chung worked as a Senior Trial Attorney at the International Criminal Court (“ICC”). She led the ICC investigation of Joseph Kony in Uganda and also prosecuted perpetrators of war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Darfur region of the Sudan and the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
     

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I remember reading awhile back, that at some of the NYC apartment complexes/co-ops that require approval from all homeowners to buy an apartment within the building, prospective buyers are often required to not only be able to afford to buy the apartment but to also have a certain (very high) net worth, well above the purchase price of the apartment they wish to purchase.

    (I’m sorry but I don’t have time right now to try to find an article that would support what I’m saying.)

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    @Anonymous

    You are entirely correct.

  28. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    An artificial waterfall could be nice on a golf course if the designer went to the enormous expense to make it look natural. So far, they look forced.

    Replies: @Stan D Mute

    An artificial waterfall could be nice on a golf course if the designer went to the enormous expense to make it look natural. So far, they look forced.

    So I suppose you have an issue with little windmills, clown shoes, loop-the-loops, and clown faces too?

    Golf snob!

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Stan D Mute

    That's the only kind of golf course I like to play on, but I have to concede that using one hand to hold my drink probably throws my stroke off. I think even Steve will have to admit that miniature golf course architects display a much higher level of creative expression than all those dull old Scottish heritage guys like Jones.

    Replies: @Realist, @Thomas Fuller

  29. @syonredux
    Off-topic:

    The New Horizons spacecraft makes its Pluto flyby:

    http://io9.com/new-horizons-is-making-its-closest-approach-to-pluto-ri-1717571552

    Not seeing too many Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds among the New Horizons team....


    Of course, that's not really surprising:

    Global map that is scaled according to scientific research:

    http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=205

    Replies: @Stan D Mute, @inertial

    Global map that is scaled according to scientific research:

    Wait, what happened to Africa?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Stan D Mute



    Global map that is scaled according to scientific research:
     
    Wait, what happened to Africa?

     

    You know what steroids does to parts down below.
  30. An old joke John McCain told. Why’s Chelsea Clinton so ugly?because Janet reno is her daddy.

  31. @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    While it is true that Trump has brought publicity to the anti-immigrationist cause, I don't trust him. On foreign policy there is little to distinguish him from the rest of the Republican field. And he is a creature of the system. All those parasites who constitute our political and financial elite - Trump lives amongst them, socializes with them, does business with them.

    Replies: @Lugash, @Glossy, @Jefferson

    There’s a split between what people want out of Trump.

    There’s Trump the Presidential Candidate. Most of the public and a chunk of the Republican membership and leadership view him as a candidate. Realistically, he’s got a very, very small chance at becoming president(but not as bad as you would think).

    Then there’s Trump, Destroyer of the GOP. In the eyes of the Republican base, he will foil Jeb’s presidential aspirations, which is a good thing. The chances of Trump doing this are pretty good right now. The Republican leadership knows this and is shitting itself over it. They’ve pissed all over the GOP base, and now the base has a way to get back at them.

  32. Because Winged Foot still won’t let him in?

    Seriously, what are the best courses in Westchester County? I can name a dozen in Suffolk (the national, Shinny, The Bridge, Seboonac, Bethpage black and red) but Westchester is a blank after Winged Foot.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @hodag

    Westchester County is kind of like Chicago's North Shore: lots of good private golf courses but oddly few great ones.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @hodag, @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @hodag


    Because Winged Foot still won’t let him in?

     

    I attended a birthday party at a pleasant upper-middle-class restaurant in Chappaqua in 2002. They said that when the Clintons moved to town, the Secret Service came by and said their boss couldn't eat there until some minor alterations were made.

    As of three years later, there was no sign of the place even starting on those alterations.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @stalko
    @hodag

    Right across from Winged Foot is an old gem of a course called Quaker Ridge.

    "During the 1974 U.S. Open at Winged Foot, Jack Nicklaus, was asked whether he thought that Winged Foot was the greatest course in the world. Nicklaus replied: "That may be, but there is quite a golf course down the street."

    In 1969, Jimmy Demaret described "Quaker Ridge as the most underrated Golf Course in the New York Area, because it has never been host course to a major championship." Demaret stated:

    "I'd like to go on record as saying it would be a tough test of golf for any tournament – the U.S. Open and the PGA included." Two-time PGA Champion Paul Runyon, who played the 1936 Metropolitan Open at Quaker, described Quaker Ridge as, , "the greatest golf course in the world."

  33. @syonredux
    Off-topic:

    Zoe Kravitz, the biracial daughter of biracial parents, ruminates on White culture and Black culture:

    These days, the young star and her folks get along, er, famously—so much so, in fact, that she and her dad got matching “Free at last” tattoos about a year ago. But it wasn’t only her parents’ celebrity that hampered Kravitz’s ability to feel like she belonged while growing up. As one of few black kids in her predominately white school, she remembers saying things like, “I’m just as white as y’all,” to her classmates. “I identified with white culture, and I wanted to fit in,” she says. “I didn’t identify with black culture, like, I didn’t like Tyler Perry movies, and I wasn’t into hip-hop music. I liked Neil Young.” But as time went on, her views shifted. “Black culture is so much deeper than that,” she says, “but unfortunately that is what’s fed through the media. That’s what people see. That’s what I saw. But then I got older and listened to A Tribe Called Quest and watched films with Sidney Poitier, and heard Billie Holiday and Nina Simone. I had to un-brainwash myself. It’s my mission, especially as an actress.”
     
    http://www.nylon.com/articles/zoe-kravitz-august-2015

    Replies: @Romanian, @Rotten

    So, black culture is about blackness and the history of being black? I don’t really think Eurocentrism works along those lines, but I guess it’s hard to harp on whiteness if every European society is basically white. I don’t really think Afrocentrism, the kind practiced by Africans in all-black societies, works that way either.

  34. @hodag
    Because Winged Foot still won't let him in?

    Seriously, what are the best courses in Westchester County? I can name a dozen in Suffolk (the national, Shinny, The Bridge, Seboonac, Bethpage black and red) but Westchester is a blank after Winged Foot.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar, @stalko

    Westchester County is kind of like Chicago’s North Shore: lots of good private golf courses but oddly few great ones.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Westchester County is kind of like Chicago’s North Shore: lots of good private golf courses but oddly few great ones.
     
    Westchester kids prefer to excel in other sports.
    , @hodag
    @Steve Sailer

    I forgot Westchester CC, home of Bobby Clampett's double eagle. They had a lpga event there a few weeks back. Removed a lot of trees and fuzzied up some bunkers. Good look.

    You are right about the North Shore. Shoreacres, Old Elm and many, many members clubs. I am of an age members clubs are my speed more than Medinah 3 or Butler.

    I am always amused that Oentwentsia goes out of it's way to deny their own existence.

    , @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener
    @Steve Sailer

    Along with Winged Foot you can add Quaker Ridge in Scarsdale (another Tillinghast course) to the very short list of greats in Westchester. Most people don't know about it due to it's exclusivity. Good luck getting in if you haven't been bar mitzvah'd.

  35. Trump & the Clintons get along well in person. Hillary prefers to express outrage at a straw man of Trump. More likely than a full schedule of live debates, Hillary will commission an animatronic Trump piñata that shouts out-of-context phrases in the voice of Eric Cartman: “Mexicans are rapists!” “Why doesn’t Hillary show her birth certificate?

  36. @Anonymous
    @Pat Gilligan

    I remember reading awhile back, that at some of the NYC apartment complexes/co-ops that require approval from all homeowners to buy an apartment within the building, prospective buyers are often required to not only be able to afford to buy the apartment but to also have a certain (very high) net worth, well above the purchase price of the apartment they wish to purchase.

    (I'm sorry but I don't have time right now to try to find an article that would support what I'm saying.)

    Replies: @PV van der Byl

    You are entirely correct.

  37. @Stan D Mute
    @Steve Sailer


    An artificial waterfall could be nice on a golf course if the designer went to the enormous expense to make it look natural. So far, they look forced.
     
    So I suppose you have an issue with little windmills, clown shoes, loop-the-loops, and clown faces too?

    Golf snob!

    Replies: @Alfa158

    That’s the only kind of golf course I like to play on, but I have to concede that using one hand to hold my drink probably throws my stroke off. I think even Steve will have to admit that miniature golf course architects display a much higher level of creative expression than all those dull old Scottish heritage guys like Jones.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Alfa158

    And you save money not buying drivers.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Thomas Fuller
    @Alfa158

    > Scottish heritage ...

    I remember driving north into Dumfriesshire for the first time. The geology and vegetation made me remark to my girlfriend: "It's all a bloody great golf course!" The furze and scattered birch-trees, the expanses of springy turf, even the gnomelike locals who could be mistaken for groundsmen ... a genius loci endlessly and absurdly recreated all over the world, just because, long ago, a bunch of Jocks started whacking little balls with their walking sticks. So next time you're on a golf course, realize that you are on territory conquered, culturally at least, by imperial Dumfries & Galloway!

  38. @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    While it is true that Trump has brought publicity to the anti-immigrationist cause, I don't trust him. On foreign policy there is little to distinguish him from the rest of the Republican field. And he is a creature of the system. All those parasites who constitute our political and financial elite - Trump lives amongst them, socializes with them, does business with them.

    Replies: @Lugash, @Glossy, @Jefferson

    I read years ago that Trump sometimes pairs up with other developers on projects where his only contribution is his brand name. The other developer gets the financing and organizes the construction and Trump is just paid for branding the project Trump Tower, Trump Village or whatever.

    The Trump brand is likely the most valuable thing he has. To maintain its value he has to contantly keep it in the news. How does he do that? Tabloid stories about bimboes, that TV show where he shouted “you’re fired”, WWE appearances, now a presidential campaign.

    I remember him staging a publicity stunt where he talked about how he would rebuild the World Trade Center. He even showed plastic models. He wasn’t going to rebuild the WTC, he didn’t even have the lease, but it got him on the news. Free publicity.

    Compared to old tabloid headlines about Ivana and Marla Maples the WTC stunt was boring. What really keeps you in the news is controversy. So he’s now generating it with politics. Saying bad things about Mexicans is controversial. In other words the campaign is another stunt. The people who take his “positions” seriously are idiots.

    • Replies: @Duke of Qin
    @Glossy

    I suspected the same, but I honestly question the value of the Trump brand. Perhaps it is because I am a millennial who grew up in the SWPL milieu where "authenticity" is the final arbiter of good taste, but anything that bares the name Trump simply screams déclassé and trashy, something your Middle Eastern oil sheikh would find enjoyable. It would be preferable be seen at a local putt-putt course than any golf club which bears the name Trump. At least in the case of the former it would be both fun and "ironic".

    Replies: @BurplesonAFB

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Glossy

    The value of the Trump brand doesn't come from him being controversial in the news; it comes from the quality of Trump-managed properties (Trump posted an email recently from an NBC exec or someone else who'd recently shunned him raving about his experience at a Trump hotel). I would think that, when licensing his name to developers in Asia or wherever, Trump has certain standards they have to meet as part of the deal, and does periodic quality checks on them.

  39. Why is Trump now launching his attack on illegal Mexicans in the US?

    Harvard economist George Borjas estimates that $100 billion a year is transferred from the poorest Americans towards the rich through the lower of wages brought on by mass Third World immigration into the US. If Donald Trump only captured 0.1% of that transfer that would mean $100 million extra cash a year and over the past ten years that would account for $1 billion of his $9 billion dollars of wealth.

    What do the Koch Brothaz, George Soros, Carlos Slim, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, Sheldon Adelson (for the US but not for Israel), Michael Bloomberg, and Warren Buffet all have in common? The all play for the team Oligarch United that rabidly supports unlimited mass third world immigration into the US. Buyers of labor obviously want to purchase it for as low a price as possible. But now Donald Trump has broken ranks with the oligarchs in resisting more cheap labor?

    Really?

    No, Donald Trump is throwing around what are easily caricatured as amateurish insults against all Mexicans. While the crime they bring in is serious, even Bernie Sanders recognizes the true problem is that mass immigration is all about lower wages. It seems that Trump has launched an over-the-top operation to make immigration the new “third rail” of American politics which in the end would end up painting as racist any class-based resistance to immigration.

    Back in 1969, Cesar Chavez, Ralph Abernathy, and Walter Mondale led a “rainbow” coalition to the Mexican border to protest Big Ag’s use of illegal immigrants to break strikes and lower wages. Anyone attacking mass third world immigration today has to frame themselves as Chavezian fighter for the working man. But why would a billionaire undertake such a fight if in the only result will be to increase his and his billionaire buddies’ wage bills?

    The Republicans need mass immigration in order to help transfer wealth to their rich backers, but they are in no hurry to grant them citizenship; which would increase the immigrant’s market value and thus decrease profits for the rich. While the Democrats have just as many rich backers that love having cheap nannies and gardeners; they have the added incentive of granting immediate citizenship to anyone who manages to straggle across the border in the of adding to a growing People of Color Coalition which in turn will slavishly follow the behind wherever their Democratic Pied Pipers lead.

    I am afraid Donald Trump will do for the anti-immigration battle what Syriza in Greece has done for the anti-austerity fight – namely, lose and lose badly. This will give Bush/Clinton cover to ignore this issue during the main Presidential campaign in 2016. And just imagine how many Mexican peasants the US is going to have to take in to atone for the Donald’s sins no matter which side of the Bush/Clinton coin wins?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Shine a Light

    Yeah Trump will surely screw up the Republicans effort to stop illegal immigration that has been working tirelessly for 30 years.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Shine a Light

    Maybe. But consider the alternative. Trump really thinks he can pull it off.

    What if he has done his own polling on the anti-immigration sentiment? Not the push polls we are fed by the one worlders, but actual descriptive poll results. And what if he finds out it is 2/3rds or more anti-immigration? He might see it opportunistically as his ticket to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    If he were to win, all the power brokers would line up to prevent substantive change on immigration. But if you think that much public support would not start the shift back to a practical policy you are mistaken. Once someone succeeds, there will be many traversing the blazed trail.

    That is why the response to Trump has been so interesting. The bigwigs are aghast! I heard Lindsay Graham this morning insisting that Trump called all Mexicans rapists. Why would Graham resort to dishonesty? He could have made the same points he did without his duplicitous assertions, but he had to go for Trump-is-Chthulu and the mendacious claims he needed to support it.

    If the elites are not in fear of what will happen, why the rabid responses?

    Replies: @Shine a Light, @Lurker

    , @Difference Maker
    @Shine a Light

    Trump has talked about bringing jobs back to America for many years

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Shine a Light


    While the crime they bring in is serious, even Bernie Sanders recognizes the true problem is that mass immigration is all about lower wages.
     
    Funny, that doesn't show up in his NumbersUSA grade. As bad as the Donald's scandals are, none come close to Bernie's votes in the Senate for depravity.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Anonym
    @Shine a Light

    My guess is that this is Anon/Pizza with X/. I wonder who pays him to post.

  40. @Jim Don Bob
    @njguy73

    Not to the dead at Waco.

    Replies: @njguy73

    Too soon?

  41. @Anonymous
    Makes you wonder about Trump's campaign and how serious it really is. Maybe it's a ploy to help Hillary win the general?

    Replies: @Thomas Fuller, @Dave Pinsen, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew

    Makes you wonder about Trump’s campaign and how serious it really is. Maybe it’s a ploy to help Hillary win the general?

    Can’t rule that out, but is that how the Dems would go about doing it? I think a designated graceful loser would look more like John McCain: war hero, macho, gravitasful, yet careful to avoid inflammatory subjects like immigration (except within tightly confined boundaries of politically correct language). Remember, Dems think the Republican base is always just a hair’s-breadth away from falling in line with a charismatic Hitler figure. They’d never take that chance…or so I think.

    Trump is just trying way too hard, burning his bridges, and most of all kicking off a real discussion about immigration that could catch fire like nothing else ever has.

    The only way I’m prepared to believe he’s a “false flag” candidate, is if it’s his own rogue operation driven by insanity.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    @International Jew

    Actually the Dems are more into worshiping charismatic figures like Slick and Obama. Remember 2008? there were a lot of glassey eyed white Obama supporters going around. And when you questioned them they had no idea why they were voting for Obama.

    Gravitas is a polite term for a establishment pol with a light touch, saying all sorts of half-truths that are focus group tested and approved in a mannerful way, thus giving the illusion that he cares and is serious, but not too serious.

    In short it's a projection, a lie meant to convince voters that the empty suit they see in front of them is actually qualified for the job he's applying for but in reality isn't. So he blows smoke.

    McCain had gravitas and is a crooked career pol. He so demoralized the GOP they stayed home on election night.

    Romney had gravitas as well - but he was a gutless wonder with no personality and made bank by plundering corporations and firing workers. This guy made Gordon Gecko look good. He also demoralized the GOP base.

    Jeb, Walker and all the others have gravitas. And they are all boring, nasty career politicians that are owned by powerful donors. They offer nothing to the people, nothing except a economic and cultural rape while they enrich themselves. When they talk they actually say nothing, a impressive feat to be sure, but useless in the main.

    Trump doesn't do gravitas because it's bullshit and doesn't work on the people he deals with. It certainly won't work with the Russian or Chinese PM's either.

    , @Hibernian
    @International Jew

    It's his own rogue operation alright. As for insanity, he's insane like a fox. He's a liberal and he's trying to damage the Republican brand, even more than it's damaged already.

    Replies: @Cracker, @Reg Cæsar

  42. @Noah172
    Bill Clinton is just from a different generation. He may be a liberal (really more of an unprincipled opportunist), but he doesn't have SJW, Twitter, YouTube, Daily Show, anti-Straight-Cisgendered-White-Male-ism in his guts the way so many younger illiberal leftist fanatics do. Remember the Hillary-Obama marathon of 2008? Mr. C. said some rather impolitic (though true FTMP) things about the contest that would have destroyed the career of many a Republican.

    And, politics aside, Clinton and Trump just both like p***y. They dig each other.

    Replies: @AnAnon

    He is a sociopath, and while he hasn’t internalized the squiggles, he repeats them all the same when convienient.

  43. @Stan D Mute
    @syonredux


    Global map that is scaled according to scientific research:
     
    Wait, what happened to Africa?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Global map that is scaled according to scientific research:

    Wait, what happened to Africa?

    You know what steroids does to parts down below.

  44. @syonredux
    Off-topic:

    Zoe Kravitz, the biracial daughter of biracial parents, ruminates on White culture and Black culture:

    These days, the young star and her folks get along, er, famously—so much so, in fact, that she and her dad got matching “Free at last” tattoos about a year ago. But it wasn’t only her parents’ celebrity that hampered Kravitz’s ability to feel like she belonged while growing up. As one of few black kids in her predominately white school, she remembers saying things like, “I’m just as white as y’all,” to her classmates. “I identified with white culture, and I wanted to fit in,” she says. “I didn’t identify with black culture, like, I didn’t like Tyler Perry movies, and I wasn’t into hip-hop music. I liked Neil Young.” But as time went on, her views shifted. “Black culture is so much deeper than that,” she says, “but unfortunately that is what’s fed through the media. That’s what people see. That’s what I saw. But then I got older and listened to A Tribe Called Quest and watched films with Sidney Poitier, and heard Billie Holiday and Nina Simone. I had to un-brainwash myself. It’s my mission, especially as an actress.”
     
    http://www.nylon.com/articles/zoe-kravitz-august-2015

    Replies: @Romanian, @Rotten

    It sounds like Zoe Kravitz is figuring out how the world works. A white self identity is a dead end for her.

    Her sex appeal to men, as an actress and as a person is just going to be greater to black men than to white men. Period. So she’s getting on board with what works.

  45. @hodag
    Because Winged Foot still won't let him in?

    Seriously, what are the best courses in Westchester County? I can name a dozen in Suffolk (the national, Shinny, The Bridge, Seboonac, Bethpage black and red) but Westchester is a blank after Winged Foot.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar, @stalko

    Because Winged Foot still won’t let him in?

    I attended a birthday party at a pleasant upper-middle-class restaurant in Chappaqua in 2002. They said that when the Clintons moved to town, the Secret Service came by and said their boss couldn’t eat there until some minor alterations were made.

    As of three years later, there was no sign of the place even starting on those alterations.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Reg Cæsar


    As of three years later, there was no sign of the place even starting on those alterations.
     
    A genuine lol!
  46. Stupid PC rules like shunning Trump are for little people.
    As Bill is not running for president and does not seem to be that interested in his wife’s campaign, why should he inconvenience himself?

  47. @Steve Sailer
    @hodag

    Westchester County is kind of like Chicago's North Shore: lots of good private golf courses but oddly few great ones.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @hodag, @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener

    Westchester County is kind of like Chicago’s North Shore: lots of good private golf courses but oddly few great ones.

    Westchester kids prefer to excel in other sports.

  48. @Steve Sailer
    @hodag

    Westchester County is kind of like Chicago's North Shore: lots of good private golf courses but oddly few great ones.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @hodag, @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener

    I forgot Westchester CC, home of Bobby Clampett’s double eagle. They had a lpga event there a few weeks back. Removed a lot of trees and fuzzied up some bunkers. Good look.

    You are right about the North Shore. Shoreacres, Old Elm and many, many members clubs. I am of an age members clubs are my speed more than Medinah 3 or Butler.

    I am always amused that Oentwentsia goes out of it’s way to deny their own existence.

  49. Off Topic: I’ve been invited to play an outing at the National Golf Links in Southampton, New York. One of the early top courses, with holes modeled after some of the old Scottish and English ones. Very snooty, waspy. I will get to stay the night, play, and then have the famous lobster lunch in the clubhouse dining room. I am pretty bad at golf but since this is a bit of an iSteve side-topic, I may go and file a reader’s comment. I may be more interested in what lodgings are like and how the lunch goes. There are a few ethnic jibes in the comments section to the first link below, bringing up country club snubs from the last century, another fave topic here. That reminds me, when my father asked some jewish friend to join Montclair Golf Club he said there weren’t any jewish members. My dad said yes there are. And his friend replied “Not circumcised ones.”

    http://top100golf.blogspot.com/2006/03/golf-in-hamptons-shinnecock-maidstone.html

    http://www.wegoblogger31.com/2011/06/national.html

    http://www.golfchannel.com/news/damon-hack/national-golf-links-has-grip-crenshaw/

    • Replies: @hodag
    @HHSIII

    I would rather play The National than Augusta. Go. I am rotting from envy.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @HHSIII

  50. Trump has lost a good bit of business because of his campaign. No way he’d go to this much trouble just to make Hillary president.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Bert

    Rich liberals have always traded money for power.

    , @Brutusale
    @Bert

    Macy's has received 30,000 customer complaints and scores of cut-up Macy's credit cards concerning their contretemps with Trump.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3160446/Macy-s-inundated-complaints-Donald-Trump-fans-tens-thousands-customers-cut-store-cards-protest.html

  51. OT:

    It looks like the DC quadruple murderer should have been deported but somehow the DC police didn’t notify ICE.

  52. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Dems are encouraging Trump because they know he won’t get the GOP nomination, but he’s enough of an egoist that he might run third party. That’s what Dems want. There is no one who knows what a third party candidate means better than the Clintons. That’s how Bill won. Ross Perot drew away enough votes from the Republicans that it got Bill elected. It’s obvious Trump is getting his support from the GOP base, not the Dem base, and Hillary and Bill know this and are rubbing their hands with glee.

    Trump needs to be quelled, and quelled thoroughly, before he splits the vote. However, Trump folded the last time he ran, and he may be conservative enough to know he can’t split the base this time either without getting a lot of brickbats thrown at him.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    …but he’s enough of an egoist that he might run third party. That’s what Dems want. There is no one who knows what a third party candidate means better than the Clintons. That’s how Bill won.
     
    The Humphreys know, too. DFLers were elated when Jesse Ventura entered the race. The Republicans would be destroyed!

    Several months later, they're wondering why they were inaugurating an inexperienced blowhard, how a wishy-washy Republican like Norm Coleman held his base in a close race, and why a candidate with the most august name in the state, Hubert H Humphrey III, lived up to his numeral.

    Trump reminds me more of Ventura than of H Ross Perot.
    , @MarkinLA
    @Anon

    Yeah, he better drop out so I can vote for anybody but Jeb or any other Republican that the RNC wants.

    , @Anon
    @Anon

    "There is no one who knows what a third party candidate means better than the Clintons. That’s how Bill won. "

    Not really. Perot may have drawn more cons than libs, but plenty of his voters were dems and indies.

    Among my friends, only some libs voted for him. No con I knew did.

    Also, Clinton won handily in 96.

  53. @Steve Sailer
    @hodag

    Westchester County is kind of like Chicago's North Shore: lots of good private golf courses but oddly few great ones.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @hodag, @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener

    Along with Winged Foot you can add Quaker Ridge in Scarsdale (another Tillinghast course) to the very short list of greats in Westchester. Most people don’t know about it due to it’s exclusivity. Good luck getting in if you haven’t been bar mitzvah’d.

  54. @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    While it is true that Trump has brought publicity to the anti-immigrationist cause, I don't trust him. On foreign policy there is little to distinguish him from the rest of the Republican field. And he is a creature of the system. All those parasites who constitute our political and financial elite - Trump lives amongst them, socializes with them, does business with them.

    Replies: @Lugash, @Glossy, @Jefferson

    “While it is true that Trump has brought publicity to the anti-immigrationist cause, I don’t trust him. On foreign policy there is little to distinguish him from the rest of the Republican field”

    So you care more about foreign policy than domestic policy. You would vote for a politician who is pro-amnesty and open borders as long as she or he is anti-war. You would blend right in Berkeley, California for example where most people are anti-Neocon but are pro-DIEversity. They do not support wars in the Middle East but they support sanctuary cities for Illegal Immigrants and glee with joy at the thought of Whites becoming the demographic Minority in the U.S. War is always bad, but America is a nation of immigrants and diversity is our strength is their motto.

  55. The black haired and brown eyed Mestizo Joaquin El Chapo Guzman used a racial slur to bash the blond haired and blue eyed Aryan Nordic White Gringo Donald Trump.

    Sigue chingando y voy hacer que te tragues todas tus putas palabras pinche guero cagaleche.

    Mexicans have always been jealous of White American and Canadian Gringos for being able to produce lighter hair and lighter eyes at a much higher rate than them.

  56. @Alfa158
    @Stan D Mute

    That's the only kind of golf course I like to play on, but I have to concede that using one hand to hold my drink probably throws my stroke off. I think even Steve will have to admit that miniature golf course architects display a much higher level of creative expression than all those dull old Scottish heritage guys like Jones.

    Replies: @Realist, @Thomas Fuller

    And you save money not buying drivers.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Realist

    One hopes he buys a driver to get him home........

  57. Wow, this sucked so bad. I fast forwarded through most of it.

    It should be called Jupiter Ass-ending.

  58. I notice that some so-called “Conservatives” do not mind saying politically incorrect things about Women, Homosexuals and World War T’s, but will turn politically correct in a heart beat when the topic of race, immigration, crime, and NAMs come up.

    An example of this is Eric Metaxas who jumped on the Donald Trump is extremely racist bandwagon on Red Eye because of what he said about Mexicans and it makes him feel uncomfortable. But he has no problem making jokes about Homosexual men on Red Eye.

    Another one is Steven Crowder, he has no problem making World War T jokes with Gavin McInnes but got uncomfortable when Gavin McInnes started bringing up Black crime stats.

    I notice that some “Conservatives” do not fear saying negative things about Women, Homos, and Trannies as much as they fear saying negative things about NAMs.

  59. @Alfa158
    @Stan D Mute

    That's the only kind of golf course I like to play on, but I have to concede that using one hand to hold my drink probably throws my stroke off. I think even Steve will have to admit that miniature golf course architects display a much higher level of creative expression than all those dull old Scottish heritage guys like Jones.

    Replies: @Realist, @Thomas Fuller

    > Scottish heritage …

    I remember driving north into Dumfriesshire for the first time. The geology and vegetation made me remark to my girlfriend: “It’s all a bloody great golf course!” The furze and scattered birch-trees, the expanses of springy turf, even the gnomelike locals who could be mistaken for groundsmen … a genius loci endlessly and absurdly recreated all over the world, just because, long ago, a bunch of Jocks started whacking little balls with their walking sticks. So next time you’re on a golf course, realize that you are on territory conquered, culturally at least, by imperial Dumfries & Galloway!

  60. • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon


    http://toprightnews.com/macys-just-found-out-the-hard-way-what-it-means-to-mess-with-trump-as-angry-customers-revolt/
     
    I live in an upper-middle class suburb west of Boston. My wife and I have a combined income of $300k. We don't have kids (not for not wanting them). We were regular shoppers at Macy's. I would say we spent about $1k per month on average and around $5k around the holidays at Macy's. On certain occasions we spent a lot more (e.g., high-end watches). That all stopped, our shopping at Macy's stopped, the day Macy's said they were cutting ties with Trump. I used to love to go to Macy's just to look at the Trump ties. No more. Sad, but I'll get over it. Yesterday I asked my wife to cut up the Macy's card and have her promise me never to shop at Macy's again, even though she stopped shopping there last week. It's hard, she'll get over the loss. I reminded her there is still Lord and Taylor, Nordstroms, Saks, Neiman Marcus, Bloomingdales, et al.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon

    If that doesn't sound like the old Macy's, well, Macy's hasn't been Macy's for awhile.

    I just mentioned political scion Skip Humphrey; corporate scion Mark Dayton eventually won the office that skipped Skip. Mark's family's business bought Marshall Fields, but adopted the latter's name rather than use their own, confusing everyone. (Norwest did the same with Wells Fargo about the same time. Minnesota was buying up the world, and burying the evidence.)

    Less than a decade later, the Federated conglomerate bought Dayton-Hudson-qua-Marshall Fields. They looked through their empire for the best-sounding name and chose Macy's. But any connection to 34th St, let alone any miracles, is thin.

    The annual spring flower show at the Minneapolis flagship store was Dayton's answer to the Thanksgiving Day parade. It still goes on, but it's weird to see it under the now-generic Macy's name.

    Not to mention Mary, as well.

    Quite a few regional retail institutions were slapped with the Macy's name, by no fault of the Macys. It's Invasion of the Department Store Snatchers.

  61. • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon

    Greeks once took pride in saving the West from Oriental Despotism of Persians.

    It did for the West what Russia later did against the Tartar hordes.

    Now, they are enablers of the invasion. Dirty rats.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  62. Off topic but
    check out if you have not already
    Ta-Nehisi Coates’ interview on NPR with the Fresh Air person.
    He defends being a violent thug in the same way a Japanese would explain relying on beans and fish for protein. A friend of his was a “victim of police brutality” after ramming the police car with his Jeep, and I’m totally expecting Coates to argue that the only witness was a corrupt cop, but no, Coates literally defends ramming police cars and says he would do the same thing.
    This guy is a “writer” and is normally hailed as a generational voice.

  63. @International Jew
    @Anonymous


    Makes you wonder about Trump’s campaign and how serious it really is. Maybe it’s a ploy to help Hillary win the general?
     
    Can't rule that out, but is that how the Dems would go about doing it? I think a designated graceful loser would look more like John McCain: war hero, macho, gravitasful, yet careful to avoid inflammatory subjects like immigration (except within tightly confined boundaries of politically correct language). Remember, Dems think the Republican base is always just a hair's-breadth away from falling in line with a charismatic Hitler figure. They'd never take that chance...or so I think.

    Trump is just trying way too hard, burning his bridges, and most of all kicking off a real discussion about immigration that could catch fire like nothing else ever has.

    The only way I'm prepared to believe he's a "false flag" candidate, is if it's his own rogue operation driven by insanity.

    Replies: @rod1963, @Hibernian

    Actually the Dems are more into worshiping charismatic figures like Slick and Obama. Remember 2008? there were a lot of glassey eyed white Obama supporters going around. And when you questioned them they had no idea why they were voting for Obama.

    Gravitas is a polite term for a establishment pol with a light touch, saying all sorts of half-truths that are focus group tested and approved in a mannerful way, thus giving the illusion that he cares and is serious, but not too serious.

    In short it’s a projection, a lie meant to convince voters that the empty suit they see in front of them is actually qualified for the job he’s applying for but in reality isn’t. So he blows smoke.

    McCain had gravitas and is a crooked career pol. He so demoralized the GOP they stayed home on election night.

    Romney had gravitas as well – but he was a gutless wonder with no personality and made bank by plundering corporations and firing workers. This guy made Gordon Gecko look good. He also demoralized the GOP base.

    Jeb, Walker and all the others have gravitas. And they are all boring, nasty career politicians that are owned by powerful donors. They offer nothing to the people, nothing except a economic and cultural rape while they enrich themselves. When they talk they actually say nothing, a impressive feat to be sure, but useless in the main.

    Trump doesn’t do gravitas because it’s bullshit and doesn’t work on the people he deals with. It certainly won’t work with the Russian or Chinese PM’s either.

  64. Some Left Tard bloggers are fearing that putting too much media attention on Kathryn Steinle being murdered by Illegal Alien Francisco Sanchez might result in violent racist backlash against Illegal Immigrants or people who look like they could be Illegal Immigrants because of their Brown complexion by native born White Americans.

    It’s hypocritical that they have no problem with the rare White on Black homicide being given too much media attention. In those cases you do not see Left Tard bloggers being worried that giving these rare incidents too much media attention might result in violent racist backlash against White Americans by African Americans.

  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    http://toprightnews.com/macys-just-found-out-the-hard-way-what-it-means-to-mess-with-trump-as-angry-customers-revolt/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    http://toprightnews.com/macys-just-found-out-the-hard-way-what-it-means-to-mess-with-trump-as-angry-customers-revolt/

    I live in an upper-middle class suburb west of Boston. My wife and I have a combined income of $300k. We don’t have kids (not for not wanting them). We were regular shoppers at Macy’s. I would say we spent about $1k per month on average and around $5k around the holidays at Macy’s. On certain occasions we spent a lot more (e.g., high-end watches). That all stopped, our shopping at Macy’s stopped, the day Macy’s said they were cutting ties with Trump. I used to love to go to Macy’s just to look at the Trump ties. No more. Sad, but I’ll get over it. Yesterday I asked my wife to cut up the Macy’s card and have her promise me never to shop at Macy’s again, even though she stopped shopping there last week. It’s hard, she’ll get over the loss. I reminded her there is still Lord and Taylor, Nordstroms, Saks, Neiman Marcus, Bloomingdales, et al.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    How do you spend $1K a month at Macy's!?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    We were regular shoppers at Macy’s.
     
    You mean what used to be Jordan Marsh?



    I reminded her there is still Lord and Taylor, Nordstroms, Saks, Neiman Marcus, Bloomingdales, et al.
     
    L&T used to be part of Macy's. Check any other stores to see if they're part of Federated.
    , @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    Macy's and Bloomingdale's are the only remaining remnant of the May/Federated store mergers.

    You can tell how old a Boston-area resident is by asking about Jordan Marsh blueberry muffins.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  66. @Anon
    Dems are encouraging Trump because they know he won't get the GOP nomination, but he's enough of an egoist that he might run third party. That's what Dems want. There is no one who knows what a third party candidate means better than the Clintons. That's how Bill won. Ross Perot drew away enough votes from the Republicans that it got Bill elected. It's obvious Trump is getting his support from the GOP base, not the Dem base, and Hillary and Bill know this and are rubbing their hands with glee.

    Trump needs to be quelled, and quelled thoroughly, before he splits the vote. However, Trump folded the last time he ran, and he may be conservative enough to know he can't split the base this time either without getting a lot of brickbats thrown at him.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @MarkinLA, @Anon

    …but he’s enough of an egoist that he might run third party. That’s what Dems want. There is no one who knows what a third party candidate means better than the Clintons. That’s how Bill won.

    The Humphreys know, too. DFLers were elated when Jesse Ventura entered the race. The Republicans would be destroyed!

    Several months later, they’re wondering why they were inaugurating an inexperienced blowhard, how a wishy-washy Republican like Norm Coleman held his base in a close race, and why a candidate with the most august name in the state, Hubert H Humphrey III, lived up to his numeral.

    Trump reminds me more of Ventura than of H Ross Perot.

  67. Why Hasn’t Bill Clinton Resigned from Trump National Golf Club – Westchester?

    Because they have interns there?

  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump is currently polling highest among GOP candidates, but he’s also polling as the weakest among the GOP candidates against Hillary in the general:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/07/14/usa-today-suffolk-poll-republicans-donald-trump/30102255/

    Donald Trump has surged to the top of a crowded Republican presidential field, a USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll finds, but the brash billionaire is also the weakest competitor among the top seven GOP candidates against Democrat Hillary Clinton.

  69. @Shine a Light
    Why is Trump now launching his attack on illegal Mexicans in the US?

    Harvard economist George Borjas estimates that $100 billion a year is transferred from the poorest Americans towards the rich through the lower of wages brought on by mass Third World immigration into the US. If Donald Trump only captured 0.1% of that transfer that would mean $100 million extra cash a year and over the past ten years that would account for $1 billion of his $9 billion dollars of wealth.

    What do the Koch Brothaz, George Soros, Carlos Slim, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, Sheldon Adelson (for the US but not for Israel), Michael Bloomberg, and Warren Buffet all have in common? The all play for the team Oligarch United that rabidly supports unlimited mass third world immigration into the US. Buyers of labor obviously want to purchase it for as low a price as possible. But now Donald Trump has broken ranks with the oligarchs in resisting more cheap labor?

    Really?

    No, Donald Trump is throwing around what are easily caricatured as amateurish insults against all Mexicans. While the crime they bring in is serious, even Bernie Sanders recognizes the true problem is that mass immigration is all about lower wages. It seems that Trump has launched an over-the-top operation to make immigration the new “third rail” of American politics which in the end would end up painting as racist any class-based resistance to immigration.

    Back in 1969, Cesar Chavez, Ralph Abernathy, and Walter Mondale led a “rainbow” coalition to the Mexican border to protest Big Ag’s use of illegal immigrants to break strikes and lower wages. Anyone attacking mass third world immigration today has to frame themselves as Chavezian fighter for the working man. But why would a billionaire undertake such a fight if in the only result will be to increase his and his billionaire buddies’ wage bills?

    The Republicans need mass immigration in order to help transfer wealth to their rich backers, but they are in no hurry to grant them citizenship; which would increase the immigrant’s market value and thus decrease profits for the rich. While the Democrats have just as many rich backers that love having cheap nannies and gardeners; they have the added incentive of granting immediate citizenship to anyone who manages to straggle across the border in the of adding to a growing People of Color Coalition which in turn will slavishly follow the behind wherever their Democratic Pied Pipers lead.

    I am afraid Donald Trump will do for the anti-immigration battle what Syriza in Greece has done for the anti-austerity fight – namely, lose and lose badly. This will give Bush/Clinton cover to ignore this issue during the main Presidential campaign in 2016. And just imagine how many Mexican peasants the US is going to have to take in to atone for the Donald’s sins no matter which side of the Bush/Clinton coin wins?

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Difference Maker, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonym

    Yeah Trump will surely screw up the Republicans effort to stop illegal immigration that has been working tirelessly for 30 years.

  70. @Anon
    Dems are encouraging Trump because they know he won't get the GOP nomination, but he's enough of an egoist that he might run third party. That's what Dems want. There is no one who knows what a third party candidate means better than the Clintons. That's how Bill won. Ross Perot drew away enough votes from the Republicans that it got Bill elected. It's obvious Trump is getting his support from the GOP base, not the Dem base, and Hillary and Bill know this and are rubbing their hands with glee.

    Trump needs to be quelled, and quelled thoroughly, before he splits the vote. However, Trump folded the last time he ran, and he may be conservative enough to know he can't split the base this time either without getting a lot of brickbats thrown at him.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @MarkinLA, @Anon

    Yeah, he better drop out so I can vote for anybody but Jeb or any other Republican that the RNC wants.

  71. White people aint having enough kids.

    baby doomers.

    • Replies: @travis
    @Anon

    so true. The biggest problem facing Europeans and White Americans is their declining birth rate.

    Halting immigration might help family formation, by reducing housing costs, but it seems like families with 5 or more children will remain extremely rare. Even the Irish no longer have more than 3 kids

  72. @Anon
    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/07/14/greeces-migration-crisis-is-a-european-crisis/

    Grentrance.

    Replies: @Anon

    Greeks once took pride in saving the West from Oriental Despotism of Persians.

    It did for the West what Russia later did against the Tartar hordes.

    Now, they are enablers of the invasion. Dirty rats.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Moscow was a vassal of the Khan. They were a buffer, rather than like the Greeks, who defeated the Persians.

    Replies: @Anon

  73. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Dems are encouraging Trump because they know he won't get the GOP nomination, but he's enough of an egoist that he might run third party. That's what Dems want. There is no one who knows what a third party candidate means better than the Clintons. That's how Bill won. Ross Perot drew away enough votes from the Republicans that it got Bill elected. It's obvious Trump is getting his support from the GOP base, not the Dem base, and Hillary and Bill know this and are rubbing their hands with glee.

    Trump needs to be quelled, and quelled thoroughly, before he splits the vote. However, Trump folded the last time he ran, and he may be conservative enough to know he can't split the base this time either without getting a lot of brickbats thrown at him.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @MarkinLA, @Anon

    “There is no one who knows what a third party candidate means better than the Clintons. That’s how Bill won. ”

    Not really. Perot may have drawn more cons than libs, but plenty of his voters were dems and indies.

    Among my friends, only some libs voted for him. No con I knew did.

    Also, Clinton won handily in 96.

  74. It’s almost as though the Clintons war-gamed this up the wazoo and decided that Trump is nothing more than a distraction for the pundits and proles, while being neither a viable candidate nor worth the effort it takes to make a symbolic repudiation for negligible bump in the polls if any.

    Plus I’m sure he can say something vapid like ‘My wife the candidate whom I love very much is blah-blah-blah-words-words and I can’t in good conscience take time away from my global initiative for such a minor thing because I am so wonderful etc etc’.

    Print and send to all the rewriters, I mean journalists and you are done.

  75. • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bert


    BREAKING NEWS: South Sudan is a festering shithole:

     

    Yeah, but would you rather be free and living in a latrine, or the slave of some Arab? Even africans have their standards, low though they may be.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Bert

    To give them credit- 40 years of relentless warring to get their independence is pretty impressive.

  76. @Reg Cæsar
    @hodag


    Because Winged Foot still won’t let him in?

     

    I attended a birthday party at a pleasant upper-middle-class restaurant in Chappaqua in 2002. They said that when the Clintons moved to town, the Secret Service came by and said their boss couldn't eat there until some minor alterations were made.

    As of three years later, there was no sign of the place even starting on those alterations.

    Replies: @Lurker

    As of three years later, there was no sign of the place even starting on those alterations.

    A genuine lol!

  77. @International Jew
    @Anonymous


    Makes you wonder about Trump’s campaign and how serious it really is. Maybe it’s a ploy to help Hillary win the general?
     
    Can't rule that out, but is that how the Dems would go about doing it? I think a designated graceful loser would look more like John McCain: war hero, macho, gravitasful, yet careful to avoid inflammatory subjects like immigration (except within tightly confined boundaries of politically correct language). Remember, Dems think the Republican base is always just a hair's-breadth away from falling in line with a charismatic Hitler figure. They'd never take that chance...or so I think.

    Trump is just trying way too hard, burning his bridges, and most of all kicking off a real discussion about immigration that could catch fire like nothing else ever has.

    The only way I'm prepared to believe he's a "false flag" candidate, is if it's his own rogue operation driven by insanity.

    Replies: @rod1963, @Hibernian

    It’s his own rogue operation alright. As for insanity, he’s insane like a fox. He’s a liberal and he’s trying to damage the Republican brand, even more than it’s damaged already.

    • Replies: @Cracker
    @Hibernian

    Doesn't require much effort, hombre.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    He’s a liberal and he’s trying to damage the Republican brand, even more than it’s damaged already.
     
    Damaged among whom? To any normal, healthy American, Trump has lifted the party's "brand" to its highest level since the Harding-Coolidge era.

    Of course, per Adlai Stevenson, that's not enough. You need a majority.
  78. @Bert
    Trump has lost a good bit of business because of his campaign. No way he'd go to this much trouble just to make Hillary president.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Brutusale

    Rich liberals have always traded money for power.

  79. The Donald himself not only belongs to the club but owns it, of course, and carries a 3.7 handicap index — for real!

    I don’t doubt that the big guy has some game… But I’m guessing anything inside ten feet is a gimme.

  80. @Glossy
    @Mr. Anon

    I read years ago that Trump sometimes pairs up with other developers on projects where his only contribution is his brand name. The other developer gets the financing and organizes the construction and Trump is just paid for branding the project Trump Tower, Trump Village or whatever.

    The Trump brand is likely the most valuable thing he has. To maintain its value he has to contantly keep it in the news. How does he do that? Tabloid stories about bimboes, that TV show where he shouted "you're fired", WWE appearances, now a presidential campaign.

    I remember him staging a publicity stunt where he talked about how he would rebuild the World Trade Center. He even showed plastic models. He wasn't going to rebuild the WTC, he didn't even have the lease, but it got him on the news. Free publicity.

    Compared to old tabloid headlines about Ivana and Marla Maples the WTC stunt was boring. What really keeps you in the news is controversy. So he's now generating it with politics. Saying bad things about Mexicans is controversial. In other words the campaign is another stunt. The people who take his "positions" seriously are idiots.

    Replies: @Duke of Qin, @Dave Pinsen

    I suspected the same, but I honestly question the value of the Trump brand. Perhaps it is because I am a millennial who grew up in the SWPL milieu where “authenticity” is the final arbiter of good taste, but anything that bares the name Trump simply screams déclassé and trashy, something your Middle Eastern oil sheikh would find enjoyable. It would be preferable be seen at a local putt-putt course than any golf club which bears the name Trump. At least in the case of the former it would be both fun and “ironic”.

    • Replies: @BurplesonAFB
    @Duke of Qin


    something your Middle Eastern oil sheikh would find enjoyable
     
    And of course those types aren't known to spend money at exclusive hotels and resorts. Surely he'd be better off building "authenticity" to attract the flannel and beard crowd. He could come out with a line of $18/jar artisanal pickles.
  81. @Anon
    http://toprightnews.com/macys-just-found-out-the-hard-way-what-it-means-to-mess-with-trump-as-angry-customers-revolt/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    If that doesn’t sound like the old Macy’s, well, Macy’s hasn’t been Macy’s for awhile.

    I just mentioned political scion Skip Humphrey; corporate scion Mark Dayton eventually won the office that skipped Skip. Mark’s family’s business bought Marshall Fields, but adopted the latter’s name rather than use their own, confusing everyone. (Norwest did the same with Wells Fargo about the same time. Minnesota was buying up the world, and burying the evidence.)

    Less than a decade later, the Federated conglomerate bought Dayton-Hudson-qua-Marshall Fields. They looked through their empire for the best-sounding name and chose Macy’s. But any connection to 34th St, let alone any miracles, is thin.

    The annual spring flower show at the Minneapolis flagship store was Dayton’s answer to the Thanksgiving Day parade. It still goes on, but it’s weird to see it under the now-generic Macy’s name.

    Not to mention Mary, as well.

    Quite a few regional retail institutions were slapped with the Macy’s name, by no fault of the Macys. It’s Invasion of the Department Store Snatchers.

  82. I got a lot of guff for suggesting that Trump should do things in smarter ways. I even had one future defendant outrageously libel me at another site. And, all I wanted was for Trump to use better arguments (specifically, my much better arguments, but he could also use others’ better arguments).

    Now, over to this:

    So is Tancredo, who once ran for president himself, a supporter of The Donald?

    “God, yes,” Tancredo said, and then clarified his position. “At least of what’s he said.”

    The problem, Tancredo said, is that Trump “needs to be a little bit more artful” when talking about the problems of illegal immigration.

    “He should take lessons from me on how to talk to the press. For a small fee — no, actually for a very large fee — I will help him out. You’ve got to learn how to talk about it, which takes years of practice, which God knows I’ve had,” Tancredo said, cracking himself up.

    • Replies: @GW
    @24AheadDotCom

    Yes, because Tancredo's sensible but tough language on immigration sure pushed him to the top of the polls.

    , @Jack Hanson
    @24AheadDotCom

    Twitter general 24Aheaddotcom, reporting for duty.

    Who are you gunna listen to? The guy worth billions or the weirdo coming off like a sperg constantly pushing his inane kvetching about using twitter leverage to fight the good fight on immigration?

  83. @hodag
    Because Winged Foot still won't let him in?

    Seriously, what are the best courses in Westchester County? I can name a dozen in Suffolk (the national, Shinny, The Bridge, Seboonac, Bethpage black and red) but Westchester is a blank after Winged Foot.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar, @stalko

    Right across from Winged Foot is an old gem of a course called Quaker Ridge.

    “During the 1974 U.S. Open at Winged Foot, Jack Nicklaus, was asked whether he thought that Winged Foot was the greatest course in the world. Nicklaus replied: “That may be, but there is quite a golf course down the street.”

    In 1969, Jimmy Demaret described “Quaker Ridge as the most underrated Golf Course in the New York Area, because it has never been host course to a major championship.” Demaret stated:

    “I’d like to go on record as saying it would be a tough test of golf for any tournament – the U.S. Open and the PGA included.” Two-time PGA Champion Paul Runyon, who played the 1936 Metropolitan Open at Quaker, described Quaker Ridge as, , “the greatest golf course in the world.”

  84. @24AheadDotCom
    I got a lot of guff for suggesting that Trump should do things in smarter ways. I even had one future defendant outrageously libel me at another site. And, all I wanted was for Trump to use better arguments (specifically, my much better arguments, but he could also use others' better arguments).

    Now, over to this:

    So is Tancredo, who once ran for president himself, a supporter of The Donald?

    “God, yes,” Tancredo said, and then clarified his position. “At least of what’s he said.”

    The problem, Tancredo said, is that Trump “needs to be a little bit more artful” when talking about the problems of illegal immigration.

    “He should take lessons from me on how to talk to the press. For a small fee — no, actually for a very large fee — I will help him out. You’ve got to learn how to talk about it, which takes years of practice, which God knows I’ve had,” Tancredo said, cracking himself up.
     

    Replies: @GW, @Jack Hanson

    Yes, because Tancredo’s sensible but tough language on immigration sure pushed him to the top of the polls.

  85. @Bert
    BREAKING NEWS: South Sudan is a festering shithole:

    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/at-four-years-old-south-sudan-is-the-world-s-most-failed-state

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @yaqub the mad scientist

    BREAKING NEWS: South Sudan is a festering shithole:

    Yeah, but would you rather be free and living in a latrine, or the slave of some Arab? Even africans have their standards, low though they may be.

  86. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    http://toprightnews.com/macys-just-found-out-the-hard-way-what-it-means-to-mess-with-trump-as-angry-customers-revolt/
     
    I live in an upper-middle class suburb west of Boston. My wife and I have a combined income of $300k. We don't have kids (not for not wanting them). We were regular shoppers at Macy's. I would say we spent about $1k per month on average and around $5k around the holidays at Macy's. On certain occasions we spent a lot more (e.g., high-end watches). That all stopped, our shopping at Macy's stopped, the day Macy's said they were cutting ties with Trump. I used to love to go to Macy's just to look at the Trump ties. No more. Sad, but I'll get over it. Yesterday I asked my wife to cut up the Macy's card and have her promise me never to shop at Macy's again, even though she stopped shopping there last week. It's hard, she'll get over the loss. I reminded her there is still Lord and Taylor, Nordstroms, Saks, Neiman Marcus, Bloomingdales, et al.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale

    How do you spend $1K a month at Macy’s!?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    How do you spend $1K a month at Macy’s!?
     
    We spend a lot at other stores as well, but Macy's was our store of choice. Before I met my wife my shopping for fancy clothes was pretty much limited to Kohl's. So I still damn near have a heart attack at the price tags on the shirts, pants, shorts, even socks she buys me while out shopping (even though she says she says she got it on sale). My wife's a shopper. The 25% off coupons she'd get from Macy's in her email or mail would compel her to shop there even when she needed nothing. Our clothes closets are huge and we have a lot of overflow (even after frequent donating binges). She's always at the mall (1x+/week) shopping for someone. Niece or nephew's birthday, parents' birthday, siblings, friends, etc. "Your dad's birthday is coming up in a couple months so I got him this jacket from us. It was on sale [$199]. And do thing think he'll like this shirt [Ralph Lauren]? And this one [Michael Kors]? And do think you mom will like this..."
  87. @Hibernian
    @International Jew

    It's his own rogue operation alright. As for insanity, he's insane like a fox. He's a liberal and he's trying to damage the Republican brand, even more than it's damaged already.

    Replies: @Cracker, @Reg Cæsar

    Doesn’t require much effort, hombre.

  88. @Shine a Light
    Why is Trump now launching his attack on illegal Mexicans in the US?

    Harvard economist George Borjas estimates that $100 billion a year is transferred from the poorest Americans towards the rich through the lower of wages brought on by mass Third World immigration into the US. If Donald Trump only captured 0.1% of that transfer that would mean $100 million extra cash a year and over the past ten years that would account for $1 billion of his $9 billion dollars of wealth.

    What do the Koch Brothaz, George Soros, Carlos Slim, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, Sheldon Adelson (for the US but not for Israel), Michael Bloomberg, and Warren Buffet all have in common? The all play for the team Oligarch United that rabidly supports unlimited mass third world immigration into the US. Buyers of labor obviously want to purchase it for as low a price as possible. But now Donald Trump has broken ranks with the oligarchs in resisting more cheap labor?

    Really?

    No, Donald Trump is throwing around what are easily caricatured as amateurish insults against all Mexicans. While the crime they bring in is serious, even Bernie Sanders recognizes the true problem is that mass immigration is all about lower wages. It seems that Trump has launched an over-the-top operation to make immigration the new “third rail” of American politics which in the end would end up painting as racist any class-based resistance to immigration.

    Back in 1969, Cesar Chavez, Ralph Abernathy, and Walter Mondale led a “rainbow” coalition to the Mexican border to protest Big Ag’s use of illegal immigrants to break strikes and lower wages. Anyone attacking mass third world immigration today has to frame themselves as Chavezian fighter for the working man. But why would a billionaire undertake such a fight if in the only result will be to increase his and his billionaire buddies’ wage bills?

    The Republicans need mass immigration in order to help transfer wealth to their rich backers, but they are in no hurry to grant them citizenship; which would increase the immigrant’s market value and thus decrease profits for the rich. While the Democrats have just as many rich backers that love having cheap nannies and gardeners; they have the added incentive of granting immediate citizenship to anyone who manages to straggle across the border in the of adding to a growing People of Color Coalition which in turn will slavishly follow the behind wherever their Democratic Pied Pipers lead.

    I am afraid Donald Trump will do for the anti-immigration battle what Syriza in Greece has done for the anti-austerity fight – namely, lose and lose badly. This will give Bush/Clinton cover to ignore this issue during the main Presidential campaign in 2016. And just imagine how many Mexican peasants the US is going to have to take in to atone for the Donald’s sins no matter which side of the Bush/Clinton coin wins?

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Difference Maker, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonym

    Maybe. But consider the alternative. Trump really thinks he can pull it off.

    What if he has done his own polling on the anti-immigration sentiment? Not the push polls we are fed by the one worlders, but actual descriptive poll results. And what if he finds out it is 2/3rds or more anti-immigration? He might see it opportunistically as his ticket to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    If he were to win, all the power brokers would line up to prevent substantive change on immigration. But if you think that much public support would not start the shift back to a practical policy you are mistaken. Once someone succeeds, there will be many traversing the blazed trail.

    That is why the response to Trump has been so interesting. The bigwigs are aghast! I heard Lindsay Graham this morning insisting that Trump called all Mexicans rapists. Why would Graham resort to dishonesty? He could have made the same points he did without his duplicitous assertions, but he had to go for Trump-is-Chthulu and the mendacious claims he needed to support it.

    If the elites are not in fear of what will happen, why the rabid responses?

    • Replies: @Shine a Light
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Here is Trump's original statement with plenty of context:


    TRUMP: When did we beat Japan at anything? They send their cars over by the millions, and what do we do? When was the last time you saw a Chevrolet in Tokyo? It doesn't exist, folks. They beat us all the time.

    When do we beat Mexico at the border? They're laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they're killing us economically.

    The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

    (APPLAUSE)

    Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

    But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right people.
     
    The least you can say is that it is very sloppy rhetoric from Trump on such an important issue. One of the jobs politicians excel at is caricaturing the statements of their opponents. Yes, Lindsie is exaggerating but (s)he is only repeating what I see plenty of average Joes and Joans claiming on for example Facebook.

    So of course mainstream politicians are going to jump all over Trump's comments to shame others into avoiding questioning the need for mass Third World immigration and to create what the ruling elites hopes is a new third rail of American politics.

    But maybe Trump is serious and just screwed up. If this is to be the case he needs to quickly switch to a class-based attack on immigration. He needs to bring Jeff Sessions onto his team and create a larger critique against globalization (which to his credit Trump has started doing by attacking trade agreements).

    In the end Trump could become an American Marine Le Pen. But ideologically he needs a lot of work to develop an anti-globalization ideology. And obviously he needs to break away from the Republican party and start attacking the Demopublicratic party as Le Pen attacks the UMPS (combination of UMP (right) and PS (left). Of course a Bush/Clinton match-up will help him enormously in this fight.

    And in attacking immigration he needs to be careful and not use sloppy spray and pray rhetorical flourishes. He needs to stand on the shoulders of Cesar Chavez -- and use the words of Bernie Sanders (link below) in order to break the stigma of racism that the ruling oligarchs want to attach to any attempts at an intervention to cut them off from their cheap labor addiction.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/25/this-is-a-massive-effort-to-attract-cheap-labor-why-sen-bernie-sanders-is-skeptical-of-guest-workers/

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @Lurker
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The mission of the elites and their political mouthpieces is to keep immigration (amongst other things) off the table and out of the debate as much as possible. Once it's in play anything might happen.

  89. @Anon
    @Anon

    Greeks once took pride in saving the West from Oriental Despotism of Persians.

    It did for the West what Russia later did against the Tartar hordes.

    Now, they are enablers of the invasion. Dirty rats.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Moscow was a vassal of the Khan. They were a buffer, rather than like the Greeks, who defeated the Persians.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous

    "Moscow was a vassal of the Khan. They were a buffer, rather than like the Greeks, who defeated the Persians."

    Russia lost to the Mongols once but once it became a great power, pushed the Mongol back and gained control over Central Asia. It's like in the movie Ivan the Terrible.

    https://youtu.be/EnL0FP6Zczo?t=27m20s

  90. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT, more libtopia Minnesota news:

    Mpls. Police, Officials Battle Summertime Spike in Shootings

    Minneapolis is in the midst of a summertime spike in shootings. There were 26 shootings in the two-week period ending on July 13, the highest total since at least 2011.
    The majority the shootings have taken place in north Minneapolis, but there have also been two in south Minneapolis, and five in downtown.
    Barb Johnson, the city council president, called the spike in shootings “disgusting,” while Mayor Betsy Hodges is calling the trend “unacceptable.”

  91. @Shine a Light
    Why is Trump now launching his attack on illegal Mexicans in the US?

    Harvard economist George Borjas estimates that $100 billion a year is transferred from the poorest Americans towards the rich through the lower of wages brought on by mass Third World immigration into the US. If Donald Trump only captured 0.1% of that transfer that would mean $100 million extra cash a year and over the past ten years that would account for $1 billion of his $9 billion dollars of wealth.

    What do the Koch Brothaz, George Soros, Carlos Slim, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, Sheldon Adelson (for the US but not for Israel), Michael Bloomberg, and Warren Buffet all have in common? The all play for the team Oligarch United that rabidly supports unlimited mass third world immigration into the US. Buyers of labor obviously want to purchase it for as low a price as possible. But now Donald Trump has broken ranks with the oligarchs in resisting more cheap labor?

    Really?

    No, Donald Trump is throwing around what are easily caricatured as amateurish insults against all Mexicans. While the crime they bring in is serious, even Bernie Sanders recognizes the true problem is that mass immigration is all about lower wages. It seems that Trump has launched an over-the-top operation to make immigration the new “third rail” of American politics which in the end would end up painting as racist any class-based resistance to immigration.

    Back in 1969, Cesar Chavez, Ralph Abernathy, and Walter Mondale led a “rainbow” coalition to the Mexican border to protest Big Ag’s use of illegal immigrants to break strikes and lower wages. Anyone attacking mass third world immigration today has to frame themselves as Chavezian fighter for the working man. But why would a billionaire undertake such a fight if in the only result will be to increase his and his billionaire buddies’ wage bills?

    The Republicans need mass immigration in order to help transfer wealth to their rich backers, but they are in no hurry to grant them citizenship; which would increase the immigrant’s market value and thus decrease profits for the rich. While the Democrats have just as many rich backers that love having cheap nannies and gardeners; they have the added incentive of granting immediate citizenship to anyone who manages to straggle across the border in the of adding to a growing People of Color Coalition which in turn will slavishly follow the behind wherever their Democratic Pied Pipers lead.

    I am afraid Donald Trump will do for the anti-immigration battle what Syriza in Greece has done for the anti-austerity fight – namely, lose and lose badly. This will give Bush/Clinton cover to ignore this issue during the main Presidential campaign in 2016. And just imagine how many Mexican peasants the US is going to have to take in to atone for the Donald’s sins no matter which side of the Bush/Clinton coin wins?

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Difference Maker, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonym

    Trump has talked about bringing jobs back to America for many years

  92. @Bert
    BREAKING NEWS: South Sudan is a festering shithole:

    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/at-four-years-old-south-sudan-is-the-world-s-most-failed-state

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @yaqub the mad scientist

    To give them credit- 40 years of relentless warring to get their independence is pretty impressive.

  93. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    http://toprightnews.com/macys-just-found-out-the-hard-way-what-it-means-to-mess-with-trump-as-angry-customers-revolt/
     
    I live in an upper-middle class suburb west of Boston. My wife and I have a combined income of $300k. We don't have kids (not for not wanting them). We were regular shoppers at Macy's. I would say we spent about $1k per month on average and around $5k around the holidays at Macy's. On certain occasions we spent a lot more (e.g., high-end watches). That all stopped, our shopping at Macy's stopped, the day Macy's said they were cutting ties with Trump. I used to love to go to Macy's just to look at the Trump ties. No more. Sad, but I'll get over it. Yesterday I asked my wife to cut up the Macy's card and have her promise me never to shop at Macy's again, even though she stopped shopping there last week. It's hard, she'll get over the loss. I reminded her there is still Lord and Taylor, Nordstroms, Saks, Neiman Marcus, Bloomingdales, et al.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale

    We were regular shoppers at Macy’s.

    You mean what used to be Jordan Marsh?

    I reminded her there is still Lord and Taylor, Nordstroms, Saks, Neiman Marcus, Bloomingdales, et al.

    L&T used to be part of Macy’s. Check any other stores to see if they’re part of Federated.

  94. @Shine a Light
    Why is Trump now launching his attack on illegal Mexicans in the US?

    Harvard economist George Borjas estimates that $100 billion a year is transferred from the poorest Americans towards the rich through the lower of wages brought on by mass Third World immigration into the US. If Donald Trump only captured 0.1% of that transfer that would mean $100 million extra cash a year and over the past ten years that would account for $1 billion of his $9 billion dollars of wealth.

    What do the Koch Brothaz, George Soros, Carlos Slim, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, Sheldon Adelson (for the US but not for Israel), Michael Bloomberg, and Warren Buffet all have in common? The all play for the team Oligarch United that rabidly supports unlimited mass third world immigration into the US. Buyers of labor obviously want to purchase it for as low a price as possible. But now Donald Trump has broken ranks with the oligarchs in resisting more cheap labor?

    Really?

    No, Donald Trump is throwing around what are easily caricatured as amateurish insults against all Mexicans. While the crime they bring in is serious, even Bernie Sanders recognizes the true problem is that mass immigration is all about lower wages. It seems that Trump has launched an over-the-top operation to make immigration the new “third rail” of American politics which in the end would end up painting as racist any class-based resistance to immigration.

    Back in 1969, Cesar Chavez, Ralph Abernathy, and Walter Mondale led a “rainbow” coalition to the Mexican border to protest Big Ag’s use of illegal immigrants to break strikes and lower wages. Anyone attacking mass third world immigration today has to frame themselves as Chavezian fighter for the working man. But why would a billionaire undertake such a fight if in the only result will be to increase his and his billionaire buddies’ wage bills?

    The Republicans need mass immigration in order to help transfer wealth to their rich backers, but they are in no hurry to grant them citizenship; which would increase the immigrant’s market value and thus decrease profits for the rich. While the Democrats have just as many rich backers that love having cheap nannies and gardeners; they have the added incentive of granting immediate citizenship to anyone who manages to straggle across the border in the of adding to a growing People of Color Coalition which in turn will slavishly follow the behind wherever their Democratic Pied Pipers lead.

    I am afraid Donald Trump will do for the anti-immigration battle what Syriza in Greece has done for the anti-austerity fight – namely, lose and lose badly. This will give Bush/Clinton cover to ignore this issue during the main Presidential campaign in 2016. And just imagine how many Mexican peasants the US is going to have to take in to atone for the Donald’s sins no matter which side of the Bush/Clinton coin wins?

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Difference Maker, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonym

    While the crime they bring in is serious, even Bernie Sanders recognizes the true problem is that mass immigration is all about lower wages.

    Funny, that doesn’t show up in his NumbersUSA grade. As bad as the Donald’s scandals are, none come close to Bernie’s votes in the Senate for depravity.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Reg Cæsar

    Bernie seems to have recently come around on the issue. It's possible he's doing it for political reasons, but he doesn't seem like the type to say stuff he doesn't believe.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  95. @24AheadDotCom
    I got a lot of guff for suggesting that Trump should do things in smarter ways. I even had one future defendant outrageously libel me at another site. And, all I wanted was for Trump to use better arguments (specifically, my much better arguments, but he could also use others' better arguments).

    Now, over to this:

    So is Tancredo, who once ran for president himself, a supporter of The Donald?

    “God, yes,” Tancredo said, and then clarified his position. “At least of what’s he said.”

    The problem, Tancredo said, is that Trump “needs to be a little bit more artful” when talking about the problems of illegal immigration.

    “He should take lessons from me on how to talk to the press. For a small fee — no, actually for a very large fee — I will help him out. You’ve got to learn how to talk about it, which takes years of practice, which God knows I’ve had,” Tancredo said, cracking himself up.
     

    Replies: @GW, @Jack Hanson

    Twitter general 24Aheaddotcom, reporting for duty.

    Who are you gunna listen to? The guy worth billions or the weirdo coming off like a sperg constantly pushing his inane kvetching about using twitter leverage to fight the good fight on immigration?

  96. @Hibernian
    @International Jew

    It's his own rogue operation alright. As for insanity, he's insane like a fox. He's a liberal and he's trying to damage the Republican brand, even more than it's damaged already.

    Replies: @Cracker, @Reg Cæsar

    He’s a liberal and he’s trying to damage the Republican brand, even more than it’s damaged already.

    Damaged among whom? To any normal, healthy American, Trump has lifted the party’s “brand” to its highest level since the Harding-Coolidge era.

    Of course, per Adlai Stevenson, that’s not enough. You need a majority.

  97. @Glossy
    @Mr. Anon

    I read years ago that Trump sometimes pairs up with other developers on projects where his only contribution is his brand name. The other developer gets the financing and organizes the construction and Trump is just paid for branding the project Trump Tower, Trump Village or whatever.

    The Trump brand is likely the most valuable thing he has. To maintain its value he has to contantly keep it in the news. How does he do that? Tabloid stories about bimboes, that TV show where he shouted "you're fired", WWE appearances, now a presidential campaign.

    I remember him staging a publicity stunt where he talked about how he would rebuild the World Trade Center. He even showed plastic models. He wasn't going to rebuild the WTC, he didn't even have the lease, but it got him on the news. Free publicity.

    Compared to old tabloid headlines about Ivana and Marla Maples the WTC stunt was boring. What really keeps you in the news is controversy. So he's now generating it with politics. Saying bad things about Mexicans is controversial. In other words the campaign is another stunt. The people who take his "positions" seriously are idiots.

    Replies: @Duke of Qin, @Dave Pinsen

    The value of the Trump brand doesn’t come from him being controversial in the news; it comes from the quality of Trump-managed properties (Trump posted an email recently from an NBC exec or someone else who’d recently shunned him raving about his experience at a Trump hotel). I would think that, when licensing his name to developers in Asia or wherever, Trump has certain standards they have to meet as part of the deal, and does periodic quality checks on them.

  98. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Shine a Light

    Maybe. But consider the alternative. Trump really thinks he can pull it off.

    What if he has done his own polling on the anti-immigration sentiment? Not the push polls we are fed by the one worlders, but actual descriptive poll results. And what if he finds out it is 2/3rds or more anti-immigration? He might see it opportunistically as his ticket to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    If he were to win, all the power brokers would line up to prevent substantive change on immigration. But if you think that much public support would not start the shift back to a practical policy you are mistaken. Once someone succeeds, there will be many traversing the blazed trail.

    That is why the response to Trump has been so interesting. The bigwigs are aghast! I heard Lindsay Graham this morning insisting that Trump called all Mexicans rapists. Why would Graham resort to dishonesty? He could have made the same points he did without his duplicitous assertions, but he had to go for Trump-is-Chthulu and the mendacious claims he needed to support it.

    If the elites are not in fear of what will happen, why the rabid responses?

    Replies: @Shine a Light, @Lurker

    Here is Trump’s original statement with plenty of context:

    TRUMP: When did we beat Japan at anything? They send their cars over by the millions, and what do we do? When was the last time you saw a Chevrolet in Tokyo? It doesn’t exist, folks. They beat us all the time.

    When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they’re killing us economically.

    The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems.

    (APPLAUSE)

    Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

    But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people.

    The least you can say is that it is very sloppy rhetoric from Trump on such an important issue. One of the jobs politicians excel at is caricaturing the statements of their opponents. Yes, Lindsie is exaggerating but (s)he is only repeating what I see plenty of average Joes and Joans claiming on for example Facebook.

    So of course mainstream politicians are going to jump all over Trump’s comments to shame others into avoiding questioning the need for mass Third World immigration and to create what the ruling elites hopes is a new third rail of American politics.

    But maybe Trump is serious and just screwed up. If this is to be the case he needs to quickly switch to a class-based attack on immigration. He needs to bring Jeff Sessions onto his team and create a larger critique against globalization (which to his credit Trump has started doing by attacking trade agreements).

    In the end Trump could become an American Marine Le Pen. But ideologically he needs a lot of work to develop an anti-globalization ideology. And obviously he needs to break away from the Republican party and start attacking the Demopublicratic party as Le Pen attacks the UMPS (combination of UMP (right) and PS (left). Of course a Bush/Clinton match-up will help him enormously in this fight.

    And in attacking immigration he needs to be careful and not use sloppy spray and pray rhetorical flourishes. He needs to stand on the shoulders of Cesar Chavez — and use the words of Bernie Sanders (link below) in order to break the stigma of racism that the ruling oligarchs want to attach to any attempts at an intervention to cut them off from their cheap labor addiction.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/25/this-is-a-massive-effort-to-attract-cheap-labor-why-sen-bernie-sanders-is-skeptical-of-guest-workers/

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Shine a Light

    > The least you can say is that it is very sloppy rhetoric from Trump on such an important issue.

    Thanks for citing the original source. Mostly disputants want to stake out some obscure starting point located in the nether world of punditry and proceed as if pundits were reliable or maybe useful. We all know they are neither.

    If I read your response in the manner in which I assume you have intended it, then I think you are suggesting that Trump would do a better job of advancing our shared position by being cautious about how he states the case. You might say “Trump ought to be cautious enough to elude the bony-fingered grip on his throat that our enemies are now closing with their undead fingers. Their quest is to silence everyone who resists their attempts to subject America to third-world status (for our own good, don’t you know).”

    But whom would Trump’s caution persuade? The beneficiaries of immigration would not be persuaded by rational arguments. Once you drink the cool-aid you will come back only through great pain, suffering and trauma. Some will not come even then.

    Would it be an appeal to the ‘independents’? I submit to you that they have made their choices, and will cling to their positions just as tightly as the cool-aiders.

    The viable strategy is to rally the ‘enough is enough’ citizenry for a genuine change.

    Maybe it is too late, but I don’t think so.

    We interact with a media and an elite that do not act in good faith. It seem to me that your admonitions apply to those for whom there is no hope. The open question is whether he can rally, or perhaps just awaken, those who know that the bill goods the elite have handed us is the access card to the gulag. Between voter fraud and what passes for ‘polling’ we know that neither our government nor the marionettes that pose as journalists are legitimate.

    I do not like Donald Trump, Sam I Am. I do not like him here or there. For Donald Trump is a self-serving opportunist. Trump is a bastard. But so is Lindsey Graham. The difference, to quote Saint Franklin Delano Roosevelt, is that Trump is our bastard.

    I am happy to rally to someone who can do better. Trot that person out (no need to provide a pony for them to ride on). I’ll be glad to take a seat on the band wagon, then stand and cheer to the end.

    But until someone else is willing to utter the unwelcome truth regarding the idiocy that passes for an immigration policy, I say, Go Donald Go. Go Go Go! Go Donald Go!

    Replies: @Shine a Light

  99. @Anonymous

    This NY Post article, oozing with triumphant sarcasm as it presents Pao and her husband as the shameless grifters that they are, is one of the greatest troll jobs I have seen in the mainstream media.

  100. @Shine a Light
    Why is Trump now launching his attack on illegal Mexicans in the US?

    Harvard economist George Borjas estimates that $100 billion a year is transferred from the poorest Americans towards the rich through the lower of wages brought on by mass Third World immigration into the US. If Donald Trump only captured 0.1% of that transfer that would mean $100 million extra cash a year and over the past ten years that would account for $1 billion of his $9 billion dollars of wealth.

    What do the Koch Brothaz, George Soros, Carlos Slim, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, Sheldon Adelson (for the US but not for Israel), Michael Bloomberg, and Warren Buffet all have in common? The all play for the team Oligarch United that rabidly supports unlimited mass third world immigration into the US. Buyers of labor obviously want to purchase it for as low a price as possible. But now Donald Trump has broken ranks with the oligarchs in resisting more cheap labor?

    Really?

    No, Donald Trump is throwing around what are easily caricatured as amateurish insults against all Mexicans. While the crime they bring in is serious, even Bernie Sanders recognizes the true problem is that mass immigration is all about lower wages. It seems that Trump has launched an over-the-top operation to make immigration the new “third rail” of American politics which in the end would end up painting as racist any class-based resistance to immigration.

    Back in 1969, Cesar Chavez, Ralph Abernathy, and Walter Mondale led a “rainbow” coalition to the Mexican border to protest Big Ag’s use of illegal immigrants to break strikes and lower wages. Anyone attacking mass third world immigration today has to frame themselves as Chavezian fighter for the working man. But why would a billionaire undertake such a fight if in the only result will be to increase his and his billionaire buddies’ wage bills?

    The Republicans need mass immigration in order to help transfer wealth to their rich backers, but they are in no hurry to grant them citizenship; which would increase the immigrant’s market value and thus decrease profits for the rich. While the Democrats have just as many rich backers that love having cheap nannies and gardeners; they have the added incentive of granting immediate citizenship to anyone who manages to straggle across the border in the of adding to a growing People of Color Coalition which in turn will slavishly follow the behind wherever their Democratic Pied Pipers lead.

    I am afraid Donald Trump will do for the anti-immigration battle what Syriza in Greece has done for the anti-austerity fight – namely, lose and lose badly. This will give Bush/Clinton cover to ignore this issue during the main Presidential campaign in 2016. And just imagine how many Mexican peasants the US is going to have to take in to atone for the Donald’s sins no matter which side of the Bush/Clinton coin wins?

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Difference Maker, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonym

    My guess is that this is Anon/Pizza with X/. I wonder who pays him to post.

  101. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Shine a Light

    Maybe. But consider the alternative. Trump really thinks he can pull it off.

    What if he has done his own polling on the anti-immigration sentiment? Not the push polls we are fed by the one worlders, but actual descriptive poll results. And what if he finds out it is 2/3rds or more anti-immigration? He might see it opportunistically as his ticket to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    If he were to win, all the power brokers would line up to prevent substantive change on immigration. But if you think that much public support would not start the shift back to a practical policy you are mistaken. Once someone succeeds, there will be many traversing the blazed trail.

    That is why the response to Trump has been so interesting. The bigwigs are aghast! I heard Lindsay Graham this morning insisting that Trump called all Mexicans rapists. Why would Graham resort to dishonesty? He could have made the same points he did without his duplicitous assertions, but he had to go for Trump-is-Chthulu and the mendacious claims he needed to support it.

    If the elites are not in fear of what will happen, why the rabid responses?

    Replies: @Shine a Light, @Lurker

    The mission of the elites and their political mouthpieces is to keep immigration (amongst other things) off the table and out of the debate as much as possible. Once it’s in play anything might happen.

  102. The answer to all questions about Slick Willie is “because he is a lying, crooked twat”.

  103. @HHSIII
    Off Topic: I've been invited to play an outing at the National Golf Links in Southampton, New York. One of the early top courses, with holes modeled after some of the old Scottish and English ones. Very snooty, waspy. I will get to stay the night, play, and then have the famous lobster lunch in the clubhouse dining room. I am pretty bad at golf but since this is a bit of an iSteve side-topic, I may go and file a reader's comment. I may be more interested in what lodgings are like and how the lunch goes. There are a few ethnic jibes in the comments section to the first link below, bringing up country club snubs from the last century, another fave topic here. That reminds me, when my father asked some jewish friend to join Montclair Golf Club he said there weren't any jewish members. My dad said yes there are. And his friend replied "Not circumcised ones."

    http://top100golf.blogspot.com/2006/03/golf-in-hamptons-shinnecock-maidstone.html

    http://www.wegoblogger31.com/2011/06/national.html

    http://www.golfchannel.com/news/damon-hack/national-golf-links-has-grip-crenshaw/

    Replies: @hodag

    I would rather play The National than Augusta. Go. I am rotting from envy.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @hodag

    The National is so much fun it's kind of funny.

    Replies: @hodag, @HHSIII, @HHSIII

    , @HHSIII
    @hodag

    OK. I'll do it. My brother-in-law is the real golfer and I know he's envious. My father has been going to this outing for 40 years but he died recently and his old buddies said i have to take his spot. Last time I played was 3 years ago and my 77 year old dad at the time could still beat me.

  104. @hodag
    @HHSIII

    I would rather play The National than Augusta. Go. I am rotting from envy.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @HHSIII

    The National is so much fun it’s kind of funny.

    • Replies: @hodag
    @Steve Sailer

    Don't rub it in. The bucket list is Cypress, nlga, Sand Hills and Seminole. Of the 4, I am certain only of getting on Sand Hills. I don't travel in the circles where someone would invite me to the others.

    , @HHSIII
    @Steve Sailer

    I've driven through part of it and through Shinnecock on Sebonac Road and various side roads around there. You can take short cuts from Amaganssett all the way through the various Hamptons and the golf courses to avoid the huge traffic on 27 exiting the Hamptons on Sunday. It looks spectacular. I gotta go do a practice round somewhere first. Last time I played I only got about 1/2 my balls in the air, and most of those I sliced.

    , @HHSIII
    @Steve Sailer

    This reminds me of something else my dad would say. Driving with the family through a particularly beautiful, verdant unspoiled stretch of land he'd say "Look at how beautiful this all is, you know what would be great? If they built a golf course on it." And my sisters and mom would all groan.

  105. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    How do you spend $1K a month at Macy's!?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    How do you spend $1K a month at Macy’s!?

    We spend a lot at other stores as well, but Macy’s was our store of choice. Before I met my wife my shopping for fancy clothes was pretty much limited to Kohl’s. So I still damn near have a heart attack at the price tags on the shirts, pants, shorts, even socks she buys me while out shopping (even though she says she says she got it on sale). My wife’s a shopper. The 25% off coupons she’d get from Macy’s in her email or mail would compel her to shop there even when she needed nothing. Our clothes closets are huge and we have a lot of overflow (even after frequent donating binges). She’s always at the mall (1x+/week) shopping for someone. Niece or nephew’s birthday, parents’ birthday, siblings, friends, etc. “Your dad’s birthday is coming up in a couple months so I got him this jacket from us. It was on sale [$199]. And do thing think he’ll like this shirt [Ralph Lauren]? And this one [Michael Kors]? And do think you mom will like this…”

  106. @Steve Sailer
    @hodag

    The National is so much fun it's kind of funny.

    Replies: @hodag, @HHSIII, @HHSIII

    Don’t rub it in. The bucket list is Cypress, nlga, Sand Hills and Seminole. Of the 4, I am certain only of getting on Sand Hills. I don’t travel in the circles where someone would invite me to the others.

  107. @Anon
    White people aint having enough kids.

    baby doomers.

    Replies: @travis

    so true. The biggest problem facing Europeans and White Americans is their declining birth rate.

    Halting immigration might help family formation, by reducing housing costs, but it seems like families with 5 or more children will remain extremely rare. Even the Irish no longer have more than 3 kids

  108. Why hasn’t Bill Clinton resigned? He shouldn’t. Just like the big corporations that dumped Trump shouldn’t have abandoned ship. They had to because of losing potential customers.

    Trump fully comprehends that he has liberty to say what he wants and realizes that will be financial consequences as a result. What does he care? He’s a billionaire.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Corvinus

    His fortunes have risen and fallen and he's gone through 3 bankruptcies, of his companies, not personal ones, I think. Some very wealthy people have gone personally bankrupt; John Connolly comes to mind. No one is invincible and annoying the Establishment doesn't help anyone.

  109. @syonredux
    Off-topic:

    The New Horizons spacecraft makes its Pluto flyby:

    http://io9.com/new-horizons-is-making-its-closest-approach-to-pluto-ri-1717571552

    Not seeing too many Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds among the New Horizons team....


    Of course, that's not really surprising:

    Global map that is scaled according to scientific research:

    http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=205

    Replies: @Stan D Mute, @inertial

    Global scientific research map = global grant availability map. I’d like to see a map scaled according to the ethnic origin of the researchers.

    Oh, and let’s limit that map just to STEM.

  110. @Bert
    Trump has lost a good bit of business because of his campaign. No way he'd go to this much trouble just to make Hillary president.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Brutusale

    Macy’s has received 30,000 customer complaints and scores of cut-up Macy’s credit cards concerning their contretemps with Trump.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3160446/Macy-s-inundated-complaints-Donald-Trump-fans-tens-thousands-customers-cut-store-cards-protest.html

  111. @hodag
    @HHSIII

    I would rather play The National than Augusta. Go. I am rotting from envy.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @HHSIII

    OK. I’ll do it. My brother-in-law is the real golfer and I know he’s envious. My father has been going to this outing for 40 years but he died recently and his old buddies said i have to take his spot. Last time I played was 3 years ago and my 77 year old dad at the time could still beat me.

  112. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    http://toprightnews.com/macys-just-found-out-the-hard-way-what-it-means-to-mess-with-trump-as-angry-customers-revolt/
     
    I live in an upper-middle class suburb west of Boston. My wife and I have a combined income of $300k. We don't have kids (not for not wanting them). We were regular shoppers at Macy's. I would say we spent about $1k per month on average and around $5k around the holidays at Macy's. On certain occasions we spent a lot more (e.g., high-end watches). That all stopped, our shopping at Macy's stopped, the day Macy's said they were cutting ties with Trump. I used to love to go to Macy's just to look at the Trump ties. No more. Sad, but I'll get over it. Yesterday I asked my wife to cut up the Macy's card and have her promise me never to shop at Macy's again, even though she stopped shopping there last week. It's hard, she'll get over the loss. I reminded her there is still Lord and Taylor, Nordstroms, Saks, Neiman Marcus, Bloomingdales, et al.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale

    Macy’s and Bloomingdale’s are the only remaining remnant of the May/Federated store mergers.

    You can tell how old a Boston-area resident is by asking about Jordan Marsh blueberry muffins.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Brutusale

    In Chicago a lot of people were REALLY upset when Marshall Field & Co. became the local Macy's. I think they've gotten over it by now.

  113. @Steve Sailer
    @hodag

    The National is so much fun it's kind of funny.

    Replies: @hodag, @HHSIII, @HHSIII

    I’ve driven through part of it and through Shinnecock on Sebonac Road and various side roads around there. You can take short cuts from Amaganssett all the way through the various Hamptons and the golf courses to avoid the huge traffic on 27 exiting the Hamptons on Sunday. It looks spectacular. I gotta go do a practice round somewhere first. Last time I played I only got about 1/2 my balls in the air, and most of those I sliced.

  114. @Steve Sailer
    @hodag

    The National is so much fun it's kind of funny.

    Replies: @hodag, @HHSIII, @HHSIII

    This reminds me of something else my dad would say. Driving with the family through a particularly beautiful, verdant unspoiled stretch of land he’d say “Look at how beautiful this all is, you know what would be great? If they built a golf course on it.” And my sisters and mom would all groan.

  115. @Duke of Qin
    @Glossy

    I suspected the same, but I honestly question the value of the Trump brand. Perhaps it is because I am a millennial who grew up in the SWPL milieu where "authenticity" is the final arbiter of good taste, but anything that bares the name Trump simply screams déclassé and trashy, something your Middle Eastern oil sheikh would find enjoyable. It would be preferable be seen at a local putt-putt course than any golf club which bears the name Trump. At least in the case of the former it would be both fun and "ironic".

    Replies: @BurplesonAFB

    something your Middle Eastern oil sheikh would find enjoyable

    And of course those types aren’t known to spend money at exclusive hotels and resorts. Surely he’d be better off building “authenticity” to attract the flannel and beard crowd. He could come out with a line of $18/jar artisanal pickles.

  116. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Moscow was a vassal of the Khan. They were a buffer, rather than like the Greeks, who defeated the Persians.

    Replies: @Anon

    “Moscow was a vassal of the Khan. They were a buffer, rather than like the Greeks, who defeated the Persians.”

    Russia lost to the Mongols once but once it became a great power, pushed the Mongol back and gained control over Central Asia. It’s like in the movie Ivan the Terrible.

  117. @Reg Cæsar
    @Shine a Light


    While the crime they bring in is serious, even Bernie Sanders recognizes the true problem is that mass immigration is all about lower wages.
     
    Funny, that doesn't show up in his NumbersUSA grade. As bad as the Donald's scandals are, none come close to Bernie's votes in the Senate for depravity.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Bernie seems to have recently come around on the issue. It’s possible he’s doing it for political reasons, but he doesn’t seem like the type to say stuff he doesn’t believe.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Dave Pinsen



    Bernie seems to have recently come around on the issue. It’s possible he’s doing it for political reasons, but he doesn’t seem like the type to say stuff he doesn’t believe.

     

    Have people of color started showing up in Vermont?
  118. @Corvinus
    Why hasn't Bill Clinton resigned? He shouldn't. Just like the big corporations that dumped Trump shouldn't have abandoned ship. They had to because of losing potential customers.

    Trump fully comprehends that he has liberty to say what he wants and realizes that will be financial consequences as a result. What does he care? He's a billionaire.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    His fortunes have risen and fallen and he’s gone through 3 bankruptcies, of his companies, not personal ones, I think. Some very wealthy people have gone personally bankrupt; John Connolly comes to mind. No one is invincible and annoying the Establishment doesn’t help anyone.

  119. @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    Macy's and Bloomingdale's are the only remaining remnant of the May/Federated store mergers.

    You can tell how old a Boston-area resident is by asking about Jordan Marsh blueberry muffins.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    In Chicago a lot of people were REALLY upset when Marshall Field & Co. became the local Macy’s. I think they’ve gotten over it by now.

  120. @Shine a Light
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Here is Trump's original statement with plenty of context:


    TRUMP: When did we beat Japan at anything? They send their cars over by the millions, and what do we do? When was the last time you saw a Chevrolet in Tokyo? It doesn't exist, folks. They beat us all the time.

    When do we beat Mexico at the border? They're laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they're killing us economically.

    The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

    (APPLAUSE)

    Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

    But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right people.
     
    The least you can say is that it is very sloppy rhetoric from Trump on such an important issue. One of the jobs politicians excel at is caricaturing the statements of their opponents. Yes, Lindsie is exaggerating but (s)he is only repeating what I see plenty of average Joes and Joans claiming on for example Facebook.

    So of course mainstream politicians are going to jump all over Trump's comments to shame others into avoiding questioning the need for mass Third World immigration and to create what the ruling elites hopes is a new third rail of American politics.

    But maybe Trump is serious and just screwed up. If this is to be the case he needs to quickly switch to a class-based attack on immigration. He needs to bring Jeff Sessions onto his team and create a larger critique against globalization (which to his credit Trump has started doing by attacking trade agreements).

    In the end Trump could become an American Marine Le Pen. But ideologically he needs a lot of work to develop an anti-globalization ideology. And obviously he needs to break away from the Republican party and start attacking the Demopublicratic party as Le Pen attacks the UMPS (combination of UMP (right) and PS (left). Of course a Bush/Clinton match-up will help him enormously in this fight.

    And in attacking immigration he needs to be careful and not use sloppy spray and pray rhetorical flourishes. He needs to stand on the shoulders of Cesar Chavez -- and use the words of Bernie Sanders (link below) in order to break the stigma of racism that the ruling oligarchs want to attach to any attempts at an intervention to cut them off from their cheap labor addiction.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/25/this-is-a-massive-effort-to-attract-cheap-labor-why-sen-bernie-sanders-is-skeptical-of-guest-workers/

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    > The least you can say is that it is very sloppy rhetoric from Trump on such an important issue.

    Thanks for citing the original source. Mostly disputants want to stake out some obscure starting point located in the nether world of punditry and proceed as if pundits were reliable or maybe useful. We all know they are neither.

    If I read your response in the manner in which I assume you have intended it, then I think you are suggesting that Trump would do a better job of advancing our shared position by being cautious about how he states the case. You might say “Trump ought to be cautious enough to elude the bony-fingered grip on his throat that our enemies are now closing with their undead fingers. Their quest is to silence everyone who resists their attempts to subject America to third-world status (for our own good, don’t you know).”

    But whom would Trump’s caution persuade? The beneficiaries of immigration would not be persuaded by rational arguments. Once you drink the cool-aid you will come back only through great pain, suffering and trauma. Some will not come even then.

    Would it be an appeal to the ‘independents’? I submit to you that they have made their choices, and will cling to their positions just as tightly as the cool-aiders.

    The viable strategy is to rally the ‘enough is enough’ citizenry for a genuine change.

    Maybe it is too late, but I don’t think so.

    We interact with a media and an elite that do not act in good faith. It seem to me that your admonitions apply to those for whom there is no hope. The open question is whether he can rally, or perhaps just awaken, those who know that the bill goods the elite have handed us is the access card to the gulag. Between voter fraud and what passes for ‘polling’ we know that neither our government nor the marionettes that pose as journalists are legitimate.

    I do not like Donald Trump, Sam I Am. I do not like him here or there. For Donald Trump is a self-serving opportunist. Trump is a bastard. But so is Lindsey Graham. The difference, to quote Saint Franklin Delano Roosevelt, is that Trump is our bastard.

    I am happy to rally to someone who can do better. Trot that person out (no need to provide a pony for them to ride on). I’ll be glad to take a seat on the band wagon, then stand and cheer to the end.

    But until someone else is willing to utter the unwelcome truth regarding the idiocy that passes for an immigration policy, I say, Go Donald Go. Go Go Go! Go Donald Go!

    • Replies: @Shine a Light
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    It’s true that I am very pleased to see immigration at least being discussed. But just as in Greece, Syriza railed against austerity while at the same time ruling out a Grexit (and default) and ultimately suffered a terrible loss. With Trump only focusing on immigrant criminality, it is almost as if he is saying that is the only problem with immigration. If indeed Mexico stopped sending criminals and only sent hard workers would that be considered a victory? To me it would be almost worse.

    But to paraphrase the great political philosopher Eddie Murphy, to a starving man a simple Ritz cracker is a gourmet feast. And so for opponents of immigration, to see it finally being brought to the national level, even in such an imperfect way, surely is better than starvation.

  121. @Realist
    @Alfa158

    And you save money not buying drivers.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    One hopes he buys a driver to get him home……..

  122. @Dave Pinsen
    @Reg Cæsar

    Bernie seems to have recently come around on the issue. It's possible he's doing it for political reasons, but he doesn't seem like the type to say stuff he doesn't believe.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Bernie seems to have recently come around on the issue. It’s possible he’s doing it for political reasons, but he doesn’t seem like the type to say stuff he doesn’t believe.

    Have people of color started showing up in Vermont?

  123. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Shine a Light

    > The least you can say is that it is very sloppy rhetoric from Trump on such an important issue.

    Thanks for citing the original source. Mostly disputants want to stake out some obscure starting point located in the nether world of punditry and proceed as if pundits were reliable or maybe useful. We all know they are neither.

    If I read your response in the manner in which I assume you have intended it, then I think you are suggesting that Trump would do a better job of advancing our shared position by being cautious about how he states the case. You might say “Trump ought to be cautious enough to elude the bony-fingered grip on his throat that our enemies are now closing with their undead fingers. Their quest is to silence everyone who resists their attempts to subject America to third-world status (for our own good, don’t you know).”

    But whom would Trump’s caution persuade? The beneficiaries of immigration would not be persuaded by rational arguments. Once you drink the cool-aid you will come back only through great pain, suffering and trauma. Some will not come even then.

    Would it be an appeal to the ‘independents’? I submit to you that they have made their choices, and will cling to their positions just as tightly as the cool-aiders.

    The viable strategy is to rally the ‘enough is enough’ citizenry for a genuine change.

    Maybe it is too late, but I don’t think so.

    We interact with a media and an elite that do not act in good faith. It seem to me that your admonitions apply to those for whom there is no hope. The open question is whether he can rally, or perhaps just awaken, those who know that the bill goods the elite have handed us is the access card to the gulag. Between voter fraud and what passes for ‘polling’ we know that neither our government nor the marionettes that pose as journalists are legitimate.

    I do not like Donald Trump, Sam I Am. I do not like him here or there. For Donald Trump is a self-serving opportunist. Trump is a bastard. But so is Lindsey Graham. The difference, to quote Saint Franklin Delano Roosevelt, is that Trump is our bastard.

    I am happy to rally to someone who can do better. Trot that person out (no need to provide a pony for them to ride on). I’ll be glad to take a seat on the band wagon, then stand and cheer to the end.

    But until someone else is willing to utter the unwelcome truth regarding the idiocy that passes for an immigration policy, I say, Go Donald Go. Go Go Go! Go Donald Go!

    Replies: @Shine a Light

    It’s true that I am very pleased to see immigration at least being discussed. But just as in Greece, Syriza railed against austerity while at the same time ruling out a Grexit (and default) and ultimately suffered a terrible loss. With Trump only focusing on immigrant criminality, it is almost as if he is saying that is the only problem with immigration. If indeed Mexico stopped sending criminals and only sent hard workers would that be considered a victory? To me it would be almost worse.

    But to paraphrase the great political philosopher Eddie Murphy, to a starving man a simple Ritz cracker is a gourmet feast. And so for opponents of immigration, to see it finally being brought to the national level, even in such an imperfect way, surely is better than starvation.

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