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This is a 2019 federal report, so it’s not using the latest Census data, nor does it show the impact of covid, which couldn’t be good, but it is still of interest. Here are total fertility rates for non-Hispanic white women by educational attainment:

So white women with Master’s degrees have 83% as many babies as white women with only high school degrees. White women with even higher degrees than MA’s have slightly higher fertility.

But here’s the TFR for black women, which has fallen a lot since the exuberance of 1991, perhaps the peak crack year. Keep in mind that there are larger percentages of black women at the low end of the educational attainment scale than there are white women:

So black women with Master’s degrees have only 44% as many babies as black women with only high school degrees, compared to 83% for white women.

This is one reason blacks as a group haven’t made much progress over the last 40 or so years: each generation a lot more blacks are born and raised toward the bottom of the social scale than toward the top because well-educated black women aren’t very fertile. Black women who have made it up the ladder tend to be quite cautious about having babies, which is sensible of them on an individual basis. But for blacks as a whole, this low fertility among educated black women imposes a sizable dyscultural / dysgenic effect on the African-American population.

So much of the progress one generation of blacks makes is lost on the next generation.

This is an important phenomena, but it simply doesn’t occur to most 21st Century Americans to think about anymore. It sounds like “eugenics” and “calipers” and other scientifically discredited horrors.

And here’s a graph showing Hispanic women, who tend to have the lowest levels of educational attainment. Hispanic fertility, especially among immigrants was particularly high from the late 1980s amnesty up through the Housing Bubble, then dropped sharply after 2008.

And all together:

So, these ignored reproductive patterns help explain why Systemic Racism sounds to many like the only plausible explanation for the lack of black progress over the generations: Nice white people think: For 50 years I’ve been reading all these articulate op-eds by amazing black women with advanced degrees about all the hair-touching microaggressions they must endure, but blacks as a whole never seem to catch a break. Clearly there must be some kind of giant, but unconscious conspiracy by whites, who have all the power, to keep the children of all these amazing black women down.

To think in terms of nature and nurture of who gets born, however, is so utterly alien to the the 21st Century mind that it never occurs to anybody that the amazing black women who complain in the media about hair-touching only have an average of one child each, while the not so amazing ones who don’t get featured in the media are having a lot more. So each generation, far more blacks are conceived and raised per capita by the non-amazing members of the black population than by amazing members.

In contrast, among whites, the dyscultural/dysgenic skew in who gets born is notably less severe.

With a lot of work somebody could turn this into some easier to understand numbers, something like, to make up fictional numbers for purpose of illustration of what we’re looking for

  • Among white women, 45% have a college degrees or higher, and 36% of the children born to white women are born to mothers with college degrees or higher.
  • Among black women, 25% have college degrees or higher, but only 10% of the children born to black women are born to mothers with college degrees or higher.
  • So while black women are 25/45ths as likely as white women to be college graduates, babies born to black mothers are only 10/36ths as likely to have a mother who is a college graduate as are babies born to white mothers.

Once again, those are just made up numbers for me to show what I wouldn’t mind some hard-working reader calculating what the proportions really are.

I think it would be eye-opening.

To add some historical perspective, here’s what TFR rates by race and educational attainment were in 1994:

 
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  1. Babykillers get their own reward.

    • Troll: PaceLaw
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  2. angmoh says:

    Hasn’t been going on long enough to be very relevant.

  3. @angmoh

    I suspect this effect was even stronger in the later 20th Century when TFRs for educated black women were low and TFRs for uneducated black women were much higher than today.

    W.E.B. Dubois was concerned about low fertility in his social circle a century ago.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @Hypnotoad666
  4. MarkinLA says:

    : For 50 years I’ve been reading all these articulate op-eds by amazing black women with advanced degrees

    That’s news to me, I have yet to read one.

    • Agree: By-tor
  5. Hispanic fertility, especially among immigrants was particularly high from the late 1980s amnesty up through the Housing Bubble

    First, as you’ve agreed, it wasn’t an “amnesty”. It was a windfall. All those children are in their thirties now, and aging out of their fertility. So is a massive drop on the horizon?

    Note that after the AA trough, TFR goes up slightly with higher education. But their children are born in their mothers’ forties too often. By that age, the high-school dropout is welcoming grandchildren.

    dyscultural/dysgenic

    Speaking of childbirth, that mixing of Latin and Greek, at least of roots and prefixes, used to be called “bastardization”. Not just in the sense of illegitimate, but of miscegenation as well. Can someone come up with something better, say, malcultural? Cultural doesn’t cognate into Greek that well, sounding too political.

    Also/furthermore, nine times/instances out of ten, the slash/virgule can be slashed/eliminated.

    • Replies: @SWVirginian
  6. This is old news. That blacks have a steeper “fertility gradient” than whites was known at least 40 years ago.

    • Agree: PaceLaw
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  7. Rooster11 says:

    Here’s an overlooked reason: races were not created equal! You have antique farm equipment trying to compete against far more intelligent races, in a quickly advancing technologically savvy society. If you doubt my hypothesis, step out of the U.S. for a moment and show me where in the world blacks are making real progress.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Newjoestalin
    , @TG
  8. @George Weinbaum

    Right. I can recall in 1993 noting that the competent black lady head of PR at my office had one child and seeing that as illustrative of this pattern.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  9. J.Ross says:

    We never completely escape the prolegomena of Idiocracy. That’s probably why healthy civilizations insisted in forcing people to marry and have kids. Then there’s the fact that zoomers are idiots:

    The number of individuals age 20 or younger — members of Generation Z who have grown up on smartphones and the internet — reporting they are victims of cyber-fraud has surged 156% over the last three years, according to a study from Social Catfish, an online identity-verification service. That compares to 112% growth during the same time among people age 60 or older, the group with the next-fastest scam growth.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/10/tech-savvy-teens-falling-prey-to-online-scams-faster-than-their-grandparents.html

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Patrick in SC
  10. https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data/redistricting-supplementary-tables/redistricting-supplementary-table-04.pdf

    Census data in table below.

    View post on imgur.com

    -The 5.1 million drop in the Non-Hispanic White population is remarkable. This can’t be accounted for by migration, since net migration of Whites (and Non-Whites) is positive. This can’t be accounted for by births&deaths either. White deaths did exceed births by ~600,000 from 2016 onward, but births exceeded deaths for every year before that. So we’re confronted by a situation in which millions of Whites changed their race.

    -Over half of Hispanics (53%) used to identify as White. Now it’s only 20.3%. Utterly remarkable.

    -It’s not clear how much of the Asian population growth is driven by South Asians vs East&Southeast Asians. According to the American Community Survey estimate (which is different from the above official Census data), it’s nearly 50/50. So ~2.5 million for both groups (slightly higher for the latter). See table below.

    View post on imgur.com

    Click on the above tables to make them larger.

  11. Gizmo says:

    Steve, it’s worse than that. The Russian Silver Fox Experiment demonstrated how easily the behavioral traits of mammals can be inherited, and that the behavior of a population can change in only a few generations.

    For the past sixty years — three or even four generations — our society has been conducting a selective breeding experiment on the Black population. The members of that population who have the most offspring also tend to have the behavioral traits of aggressiveness, impulsivity, violence, lack of future planning … not to mention lower IQs. So there’s going to be more of those traits in the population in the future.

    Even if the method of inheritance is Lamarckian, via memes and culture, rather than Mendelian, via genes and biology, Black Americans have been selecting for failure. We’re breeding ferals rather than socials. This does not bode well for them or for the rest of us.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Thanks: HammerJack
  12. Rob says:

    That white women with masters (mistresses?’) degrees have a bit higher TFR than bachelorettes is interesting. Ceteris paribus, one would expect two additional years of education to reduce fecundity. Are the sort of women who get masters degrees the kind who graduate undergrad in 3-4 and do a one (maybe two) year extra to compete with all the other bright young things, whereas bachelor’s only holders include women who only graduated college in the same timespan?

    Does it indicate that M- degreed women have husbands who earn more or stick around? Pretty sure white women with bastards and/or divorces under their belts have fewer total kids than women who get and stay married at the same level of education.

    Maybe it is a class thing? RA Fisher’s theory of social promotion of the (relatively) infertile comes to mind. If there were no social mobility and no other selection, then every generation would be selected for higher fertility within a class, regardless of relative fertility between classes. But the class structure is fluid, though viscous. What kinds of people move up the class ladder? The sorts of people who put more resources into each child’s education and extracurriculars, which enable one to move up the ladder, inshallah. Fertility is not only genetically heritable, but socially so. Aunts, even if they have their own kids, are a cheap source of childcare, hand me downs, and even just advice. Not to mention that people often feel sibling rivalry, and will compete on number and quality of kids. All more prevalent in bigger families. Like everything else that is genetic plus noise, there is regression towards the mean. It stands to reason that women who were born into upper-middle+ Have more kids than women who climbed there themselves. If these class-native women get more masters degrees, then they might have more kids than bachelors holders.

    Coupled with the men these women marry (and the women themselves – girls get jobs too!) likely earning more money than women with lower degrees, I can see this mattering more than than the time lost to having kids.

    It will be interesting to see if masters women have higher TFR than bachelors in the future, what with the proliferation of formerly good schools having masters, especially non-traditional ones, that are meant to fleece the ambitious rather than educate them.

    Regardless of the cause, it is a welcome datapoint against the trend that more education for women means dysgenic and race-death for the nation.

    On hispanics, the huge dip for associates degree-holders really stands out. Are those the first Americanized generation? Are they social climbers? Does the lower average Hispanic IQ mean they cannot capitalize on education as well as whites?

    That last one really hurts blacks, too. Compared to whites, blacks earn as much as whites in the educational category below them. This even made the NYT through, I believe, Nikole [sic] Hannah Jones, in an editorial about why blacks deserve reparations. The cause, that blacks with bachelors are about as smart as white HS grads, was left unstated. State it, and she’d be a writer for Unz Review, not NYY!

    • Agree: PaceLaw
    • Replies: @joe862
  13. Check this out.

    https://www.trunews.com/stream/israels-pegasus-may-have-hacked-the-2020-election

    • Replies: @bomag
  14. JMcG says:

    Looks like we have to keep a lot more white women from finishing high school!

  15. Anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:

    In contrast, among whites, the dyscultural/dysgenic skew in who gets born is notably less severe.

    It is still extremely severe though. In fact, it is disastrous, especially when you take into account the fact that many of the babies born to Whites of higher educational attainment are no longer White.

  16. An interesting metric would be to plot population growth per unit of time. It would be an exponential and the expected greater growth rate for low education would factor in the age at which the young ones are born.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  17. This is a world class observation.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @3g4me
  18. No post on the mass shooting in jolly old England? Too bad because you could use it to update your Laws on mass shootings and include the UK.

    What do UK mass shootings look like?

    – White male
    – Sexually frustrated
    – High kill to injured ratio
    – Pump action shotgun
    – Lots of English press speculation about how America is somehow intertwined with the killer’s actions or motivations (i.e. it’s not our fault)

    Come on man!

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Joe Stalin
  19. Does this report state the means of the ages in each category? It matters. Technically, bachelors degree holders are a group of women age 22+ and doctoral degree holders are a group of women age 28+. In theory a group of women who is 28+ will have had more children than a group of women who is 22+, all things equal. However, we know that women with doctoral degrees very rarely had children during their PhD years, which likely came in their early 20s.

    The other potential age confound is that degrees have become much more common in recent decades. What is the age range of the sample? Are those with high school educations much older on average, and does their higher fertility simply reflect the fact that they had children in an earlier era when more children were common?

    • Replies: @Spangel226
  20. Altai2 says:

    I don’t know it can only be chalked up to lower fertility and or delayed fertility due to a more middle class over-educated lifescript. For black women with masters degrees there aren’t a whole lot of men they want to have children with who also want to have children with them out there. (No matter how much ad agencies are trying to push the red haired male/black female trope now)

    • Agree: PaceLaw
  21. Some Guy says:

    If one wants to compare the numbers with a simple ratio, the largest two groups are presumably the best. Bachelor’s and High School graduate perhaps?

  22. Great post, Steve.

    I agree that the dip for associates degrees stands out. I can only guess here, but someone who starts and gets an AA, and then has that be their terminal degree, is probably roughly average in intelligence, but higher than one would expect in conscientiousness. Because of this, they may be more risk averse about family formation.

    Why would this especially affect Hispanic women? Maybe that’s the zone for them where they’ve raised their socioeconomic status above a lot of the blue-collar guys they likely live around, but the AA isn’t quite enough to get them the higher-paying affirmative action sinecures that a BA+ would, which would put them in contact with higher status potential mates (who may be able to afford to have them stay home with more kids).

    In other words, it may be that they have accomplished something significant in getting the AA, but they understand that their margin for error in life is still fairly narrow and reduce their family size accordingly.

    As I said, all conjecture…make of it what you will.

  23. Dr. X says:

    People don’t think dysgenics be like it is, but it do.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  24. joe862 says:
    @Rob

    The kinds of masters degrees that women get are overwhelmingly ludicrous. Masters degrees are an overpriced consumer product. It takes a while for this to be widely understood so I’m sure there are lots of masters degree women who are overcompensated and overrespected but it’s to obvious to stay hidden for too long.

  25. @Spangel226

    Ok, I read the report and the age range is 15 to 49. College degree attainment has been increasing through this period:

    https://performance.commerce.gov/stories/s/U-S-Population-Spotlight-Educational-Attainment/na47-j74r/

    So it is possible that the high school grads of the sample are older. Didn’t read that far.

  26. Trelane says:

    Dysgenesis. Voluntary self-sterilization is always dysgenic. Only forced sterilization is eugenic.

  27. The concept of systemic racism in the 21st century is a farce. The idea that some invisible “Holy Ghost” force of racism permeates Wokeland within corporations, colleges, and throughout daily life makes one realize how mass delusions occur in history such as the Tulip mania of 17th century Dutch.

    This is literally the best moment in human history to be a black person. Organizations fall over themselves to recruit, promote, and display their diversity bonifides.

    This won’t last for long. As the demographic changes in the country begin to enforce the new reality, this special position will not be honored by more capable ethnic groups. The white guilt cup will be empty by then.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  28. Ma Laoshi says:

    Overlooked? Save for the racial angle, that’s the whole theme of Idiocracy.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  29. My wife didn’t have any children. She’s fricken’ brilliant. She married me, after all. (Math professor too.)

    That’s yer fertility gradient for ya.

    At this point in American history, it would be blatantly criminal for any intelligent couple to have children and doom them to what’s coming…

    (Yes, yes, I know there is a cause-and-effect case to be made that this is all our fault for not reproducing the White genius stock of our country, but somehow it doesn’t feel like it’s our fault – not in the goddamned least.)

    I’m sorry if this is “bad form.”

  30. anon[351] • Disclaimer says:

    To think in terms of nature and nurture of who gets born, however, is so utterly alien to the the 21st Century mind…

    Plus the very word “dysgenic” just brings all cognition to a frozen halt.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
  31. Unit472 says:

    OTOH, given the large increase in people of mixed race revealed in the new census data, most of which I’m going to hazard a guess are born to low income white women and somewhat brighter than average negro men, negroes could be gaining some IQ points on the sly as these children will identify as black even if they are more white than Obama.

    Will this reduce the ácademic gap’ between white and black? Probably not as the white race is losing a portion of its lowest performing cohort moving into the mixed race category and these children will self identify as black even though they are not and will likely be brought up more often by single moms than if the mother did not have a mixed race child which means a lower household income. So whether by nature or nurture the mulatto child will do worse than if born to a white mother and father.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  32. Travis says:

    But Blacks should be improving as they are getting genetically less Black each generation. Over the last 20 years White Women have birthed 1.5 million Black babies. This is based on the fact that ~4% of White births have a Black Father. Many Hispanic and Asian women have also had Black babies over the past 20 years.

    of the 11 million Blacks born since the year 2001, 12% have a White mother and 3% of Black babies have White or Hispanic fathers.

    15% of Blacks born over the last decade are genetically less than half Black and 12% have a White parent. Having a White or Asian parent should improve the outcomes of Blacks as they get both better genes and some of the magic dirt and culture of Whites when one parent is White.

    as we start seeing more mulattoes in America we should see Blacks perform better over the next decade. If 15% of Blacks continue to have one White or Asian parent we should start to see Black pathology reduced as Blacks in America become less Black genetically. Maybe the reason we keep seeing commercials with Black couples is an effort to ethically cleanse Blacks from America by encouraging race mixing. Already 12% of Blacks born over the last decade have a white or Asian mother. If we could get the number of Blacks with a White Father up to 10% we should start seeing Black do much better.

  33. @Buzz Mohawk

    My wife didn’t have any children. She’s fricken’ brilliant. She married me, after all. (Math professor too.)

    QED.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  34. @James Speaks

    Right, the less educated have quicker generation times.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Mike1
    , @Bill Jones
  35. @Buzz Mohawk

    You exist because some ancestors of yours had enough hope to bring children into the world through plagues, famine, genocides and whatever else. And you are comparing about what? That Nicole Hannah Jones has the podium?

  36. @JohnnyWalker123

    Yup.

    You can blame me. I was already 41, and I’d spent two decades of screwing around and being careful.

    She was 10 years younger (still is !) and would have been happy to have children. She loves them. I am the problem. Part of the deal I insisted on was that I would get snipped, and she agreed to it. She loved me more than her maternal instinct. I’m childish enough to satisfy that anyway.

    I think I made the right decision, for both of us. The future looks horrible, and I’m glad I’m getting old. That’s what brains do for you. I have no personal reason to care that Earth is on its way to becoming as unlivable as every other planet we have explored.

    And it is my people who did the exploring.

  37. @J.Ross

    Ouch. Although perhaps they smarten up quickly after 20?

    As a teenager in the late 80s I remember falling for one of those door-to-door magazine scams: “Buy a subscription and I’ll win a trip to Cancun! In fact, I’m so close I’ll just pay you back for the money you put down!” Some other guys on my dorm floor did too.

  38. @Travis

    I’ve little reason to believe that the mean iq of these white women who have mulatto children is 100. More likely the mean iq of white mothers of black children is around 90. So while those mulatto children will be smarter than the increasingly dumber full black kids, they won’t be much smarter than what the black mean used to be.

    Looks like the cognitive inequality in the black populace is going to get more extreme with a smarter portion of the population consisting of mulattos and immigrants and the other side being a backsliding population of descendants of slaves.

    I suggest a policy of paying people with prison records to get cut or get their tubes tied. Or even letting them out of a sentence in exchange for getting this done. Why would that be unethical?

    • Agree: Some Guy
    • Replies: @Anon
  39. @Travis

    “As we start seeing more mulattoes in America we should see Blacks perform better over the next decade.”

    While that possibility exists (Anything is possible), the more likely scenario might end up being the fate of the Haitian Mulattoes after the revolution.

  40. J.Ross says:
    @Bragadocious

    https://nypost.com/2021/08/12/five-people-dead-after-mass-shooting-in-england/

    No information about a possible racial angle (hearing that six people are dead in England, one immediately questions if any of them were English). Life has been artificially made hard. Why isn’t this happening more often? Things taken for granted by our poorest ancestors have been taken away from us, and we’re not even allowed to talk about it.

    • Replies: @Alden
  41. @Dr. X

    You didn’t give the illustration.

    My new city is 6% negro according to the 2010 census. census.gov says they will publish all the racist’s data on 16 August. I can’t wait.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
  42. @Buzz Mohawk

    Even out of all the sjw garbage I’ve read on Twitter and Nyt, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an internet comment that made me angrier than this one.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @J.Ross
    , @JMcG
  43. anonymous[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @Unit472

    OTOH, given the large increase in people of mixed race revealed in the new census data, most of which I’m going to hazard a guess are born to low income white women and somewhat brighter than average negro men

    The most highly educated Whites are marrying out—to Orientals, to Indians, to Jews.

    That doesn’t necessarily a reflect preference on the part of Whites. A lot of it is circumstance. The United States has imported so many high IQ people from those groups that there are just a lot of them in highly educated environs. And some of it is preference/effort on the part of POCs. Orientals, Indians, and Jews dig White men and women.

  44. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @MarkinLA

    Exactly. And the last thing I think is these wonders should reproduce. They just demonstrate how mediocre the black elite is. No, I think the goodwhites let themselves be taken in by television and film, where Black Lady Judges dispense calm wisdom and Idris Elba is a rocket scientist.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk, HammerJack
  45. @Bragadocious

    – Pump action shotgun

    In the UK, single, double and tripled-barrelled shotguns as well as those which have a lever action, pump-action, semiautomatic and fixed magazine capacity of no more than three cartridges are legal with a valid Shotgun certificate and meeting the basic safety requirements for firearm possession in the UK.

    https://southdowngunclub.co.uk/which-guns-legal-in-uk/

    Wow, all you get are three lousy rounds… if you miss, you could be in BIG trouble if the criminals use your standard urban youth swarming attacks. Ain’t the UK great?

    • LOL: Bragadocious
  46. anon[321] • Disclaimer says:

    In contrast, among whites, the dyscultural/dysgenic skew in who gets born is notably less severe.

    I mean, that’s true, it is notably less severe. But then again, the only category above replacement among whites is “high school dropout”. So that’s much less severe than blacks, but… I wouldn’t call it not severe?

  47. Anon[501] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spangel226

    Looks like the cognitive inequality in the black populace is going to get more extreme with a smarter portion of the population consisting of mulattos and immigrants and the other side being a backsliding population of descendants of slaves.

    That’s why we have thrown the door open to immigration from Africa. It muddies the water.

  48. @Spangel226

    Even out of all the sjw garbage I’ve read on Twitter and Nyt, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an internet comment that made me angrier than this one.

    And what are you going to do about it, and what is your personal history in this regard? I really want to know. Are you personally going to save the world by reproducing your brilliant spawn? What, exactly, is your point, and what makes you this angry?

    You need to do more than just assume that we all should reproduce. You need to show what you have done that I have not. There are commenters here that have done that, and I respect them. I am not familiar with you.

    Do you believe in throwing innocents into the fire?

    The Earth is descending and on its way to becoming a shit hole. Only smart people realize that, and only smart people are not willing to throw their babies into that toilet. They are right. God damn the world. This must be God’s will, and we are indeed smart enough to see it, and not to respect it at all.

    (BTW, Steve Sailer loves it when a comment like mine brings forth other, angry comments like yours, so you and I are doing him a favor. This is his livelihood.)

    • Troll: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @J
    , @Spangel226
  49. J.Ross says:
    @Spangel226

    I had the same reaction at first, but that’s wrong. Interesting times are looming.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
  50. Steve, are you collaborating with Scott Adams? I could swear he’s stealing your concept. oppression points, etc.

    https://assets.amuniversal.com/c9857e20d05601396d8e005056a9545d

  51. @Steve Sailer

    Eh, it’s always been the case that upper-class or smarter people breed less once the conquering phase of a society ends, which leads people to worry and social consequences.

    Augustus (and later concerned Roman emperors) was making laws back in the Roman Empire trying to get the rich, non-soldiering boys to settle down, stay married, and have lots of kids, to little effect—Rome was too rich and the women too easy to make large family life attractive to young idle youth. And speaking of Dubois’s time, F. Scott Fitzgerald was worried about white birth rates during the 1920s versus non-whites, as did many white nationalists of the time (The Great Gatsby contains a scene where Scott self-lampoons his own obsession with fighting The Rising Tide of Color).

    In contrast, when nations are still out conquering and colonizing, birth rates are high for the conquering smart rich folk. Martial vigor excites the passions to breed. The Duke of Marlborough Effect.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Duke%20of%20Marlborough%20effect

  52. Lurker says:

    It sounds like “eugenics” and “calipers” and other scientifically discredited horrors.

    I hadn’t realised eugenics had been scientifically discredited?

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @anon
  53. @Buzz Mohawk

    “I felt like putting a bullet between the
    eyes of every Panda that wouldn’t screw to save its
    species.”–Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club

  54. I’ve read the post and almost 50 comments. Nobody got to the root of the problem. Were demographics this dysgenic in the the 1950s? Why’d I pick that date? Because, SOCIALISM! Socialism is dysgenic. America cranked up Socialism to 11 in the mid 1960s. That goes for White, hispanic, black, and whomever else, but Socialism is more dysgenic for the groups that are less inherently responsible. We kinda know which ones are.

    I wonder if anyone here can dig up any numbers of the same sort for the years before big -time Socialism was implemented. I’m too tired. Working extra to raise other people’s families is making me tired … so tired … exhausted, like a black woman just finished with a hair-raising Masters thesis.

    These stats are all well and good, but how about we get to the ROOT of the problem.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @3g4me
  55. anon[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    I think I see your problem.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  56. Anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    Is there any country that can avoid Idiocracy?

    China?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  57. @Travis

    I was going to write a similar comment, but my take is more in the way of a prescription.

    Why are there still black people in America? They should have been miscegenated out of existence by now. Their very presence is a really an unfortunate tribute to white restraint and patience.

    It is not for me to tell others whom to marry, nor can I in good conscience encourage the sowing of white wild oats into precious black bodies, but if any white man desires to marry and is having difficulty finding a wife in his own circle, perhaps marring a black woman is not the worst possible thing he could do. A generation of mulattos (with a white father) would be smarter, better looking, better raised, better educated, and infinitely preferable to what we have now. A generation of quadroons would be no different than the lower distribution of whites. Six generations of this and black heritage will have been diluted to undetectable proportions. In the time that has elapsed since the Civil War, we could have eliminated blackness from our society with nary a deportation or a shot fired in anger.

    It all starts with rigorously enforcing the law and eliminating welfare subsidies. Black criminals (a large proportion of the males) need to be locked up, which severely limits their reproductive potential. Then, instead of leaving the black women behind to fight over a sperm donation from the remaining Devontes so they can go on the dole, they need to be married off to any non-black man who will have them. We need to dilute the black population and break the cycle of black cultural dysfunction in one fell swoop.

    I don’t see any other realistic way out of this.

    • Replies: @Travis
    , @Known Fact
  58. @Steve Sailer

    Right, the less educated have quicker generation times.

    So affirmative action is doing some good? That’s a fresh way of looking at it.

    Jason fails to get into Harvard, or even Tufts or Clark, and goes into auto repair instead. And has five kids. Laquisha, Latoya, and Latrina take his place at those schools, and have two children– altogether.

    What’s not to like?

  59. Anon[346] • Disclaimer says:

    Black women per capita get by far the most abortions. This always surprised me, since my mental image of a pregnant black women is not of someone mentally alert enough to arrange for an abortion. Maybe these abortion-crazed black women are the educated 10 percent?

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/ss/pdfs/ss6907a1-H.pdf

    Among the 31 areas that reported race/ethnicity data for 2018, non-Hispanic White women and non-Hispanic Black women accounted for the largest percentages of all abortions (38.7% and 33.6%, respectively), and Hispanic women and non-Hispanic women in the other race category accounted for smaller percentages (20.0% and 7.7%, respectively) (Table 5). Non-Hispanic White women had the lowest abortion rate (6.3 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (110 abortions per 1,000 live births), and non-Hispanic Black women had the highest abortion rate (21.2 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (335 abortions per 1,000 live births).

  60. anon[276] • Disclaimer says:

    For crime and paternal investment, the big divide is SSAs vs. everybody else.

    For IQ and socioeconomic achievement, the big divide is: are your top performers disproportionately men or disproportionately women?

    The birth rates flow from there when coupled with omnipresent female hypergamy.

    • Replies: @anon
  61. @angmoh

    Hasn’t been going on long enough to be very relevant.

    Incorrect.

    It’s been going on *at least* a few generations. Even 10% effects like that start mattering. This is not a 10% effect.

  62. If leftist females are relatively infertile, that is only good news.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
  63. J says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, I think you should be sentenced to dance naked in the main street, singing self-ridiculing songs, like in Sparta. You should be publicly humiliated like in Augustus’ Rome. You should sit in the back of the bus, and in the back row of the church or synagogue. You probably are a decent fellow, you work and add to the GNP and pay your taxes, but Sir, you are leaving an empty spot to the right of my son in the phalanx. In a phalanx, the shield of the fellow to the right protects its neighbor. I am not angry with you, but with my parents and uncles who sent me to live my life without the support of brothers and cousins.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  64. Thanks Steve. I’ve probably commented 5-10 times about this effect. Black fertility is significantly more disgenic than everyone else’s. We really are getting dumber, less conscientious blacks.

    This is an important phenomena, but it simply doesn’t occur to most 21st Century Americans to think about anymore. It sounds like “eugenics” and “calipers” and other scientifically discredited horrors.

    This is another area–like immigration–where early 20th century WASPy progressives–whatever you want to think about them–had sane, empirically grounded, logically and mathematically sound views … which were simply overwhelmed after the war by boatloads of–and yes, it’s simply a fact–Jewish “intellectual” verbalist, anti-empirical, mathematical/logically incoherent, minoritarian, blank-slatey, utopian nonsense.

    There’s really only a few things a society/nation/civilization needs to do to survive:
    1) Stop invasion. Keep the bastards out; keep your people intact and in control of their land.
    2) Eugenic fertility over the long term.
    3) Encourage young men and women to get together form family and produce–again over the long term–replacement fertility.
    4) Pass your culture–norms, values, traditions–successful along to the next generation.
    5) Sufficient “rule of law” that people are encouraged to engage in productive activity.
    6) State looting constrained enough that people are encouraged to engage in productive activity.

    You’re note that our post-War “intellectuals” are against every single one of these items that enable a nation to survive, prosper and reproduce itself.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Thea
  65. @joe862

    The kinds of masters degrees that women get are overwhelmingly ludicrous. Masters degrees are an overpriced consumer product. It takes a while for this to be widely understood so I’m sure there are lots of masters degree women who are overcompensated and overrespected but it’s to obvious to stay hidden for too long.

    I can confirm this.

    Most of these degrees exist to make White liberal women feel smarter and confirm their feelies. It’s just an ego booster. White women are told they are super special and need to maximize their education.

    I used to work in an office and there was an endless supply of White women with masters degrees. No one cared.

    The utility of their degree loosely correlated with marriage status.

    No one wants to marry an average or plain looking White woman with debt from a masters in theater costume design. That is actually a real degree.

    They rack up debt thinking the private sector will be blown away by their masters degree. I’ve overheard the salary negotiations. It’s hilarious.

    Yes I understand you are looking for that salary but we can’t afford to pay it. Yes I see that you have a masters degree. Uh-huh. No we cannot pay you 3 times that. No we cannot meet you at 50 or 60. That is what it pays and we always find someone bye.

    It’s harsh and only a matter of time before more people realize that most of college is a scam.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
  66. bomag says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Just because something is possible doesn’t mean it was done.

    Why mess around with something illegal when quasi-legal ballot harvesting delivers the goods with few in authority concerned?

  67. @anon

    Pi is exactly 3.

    I’m sorry I had to say that, but you left me with no choice.

  68. @R.G. Camara

    The first rule of Steve Sailer’s blog is that you don’t talk about Steve Sailer’s blog.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  69. Travis says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    That is how Mexico eliminated Blacks from their nation.
    Mexico had imported about 400,000 slaves prior to 1750. in 1800 Mexico was 10% Black. By 1900 Mexico was just 1% Black because they allowed Blacks to marry and mate with Indians and Mestizos and even Spaniards….Within 100 years they virtually eliminated Blacks from Mexico. Mexico Blacks were cleansed via miscegenation.

    One man is helping make Blacks more White. Ari Nigel has impregnated over 60 Black women by donating his sperm for free to Black lesbians and has sired over 80 mulatto children….
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/not-even-a-pandemic-can-stop-the-sperminator-from-spreading-his-seed/

    • Replies: @Anon
  70. @Travis

    as we start seeing more mulattoes in America we should see Blacks perform better over the next decade.

    Oh God not this again. Hope in miscegenation……sigh.

    First of all Blacks would not be performing better if you are just creating mulattoes and holding them up to bend the curve. There are still millions of Black masses that didn’t get anything from your mixed breeding. The theory that mulattoes will stick around and improve Black areas has failed. They leave and head to the burbs with everyone else.

    You don’t have real progress with this magic mulatto game. You aren’t doing anything for most Blacks. The underlying conflict is still there even if you are able to show improvement on a chart.

    Another problem is that to even bend the curve you would need a cross section or better of White women to have these babies. I have lived around college educated White liberal women and I can tell you that they are not breeding with Blacks. At most they sleep with one in college and then later marry the White engineer or doctor. That is the liberal way. It’s working class women that have children with Blacks. The cynical explanation is that liberal women don’t actually buy into racial equality or perhaps on a subconscious level remain skeptical that their offspring will be just as smart if they breed with Blacks.

    But the real problem is much worse which is that our idiot liberals created a dysgenic welfare system. Blacks are not on an upward trajectory or holding average.

    If nature tops nurture (hint: it does) then the pathologies we see in Black areas will only get worse. Violence will get worse and the environment will merely be an excuse. You’d need some crazy forced breeding program at this point to change anything.

    • Agree: Alden, By-tor
    • Replies: @Travis
    , @rebel yell
  71. SOL says:

    Highly-educated black women can’t find black men to wife them up.

  72. @Buzz Mohawk

    ID–i think you are out there somewhere.

    This is what i meant by “breeder genes”–breeder genes becoming more common–which you were dismissing as nonsense.

    AnotherMom and i have “breeder genes”. Buzz does not. Now that people can essentially chose–and still have sex–there is strong selection for “breeder genes” going on.

    This is why societies with low TFR will eventually correct. Not only will there be selection for breeder genes, but life just gets easier–less competition for jobs and higher wages, cheaper housing–as population declines.

    But … this natural correction is all gated by keeping the foreigners out. Allow immigration and you are simply screwed. They take your nation while your population falls, and instead of things getting better for your young people they get much, much worse.

  73. Black women who have made it up the ladder tend to be quite cautious about having babies, which is sensible of them on an individual basis.

    We don’t know if caution is the driving factor.

    I suspect we have a major problem with society telling women and especially Black women that they are super duper special and need to get advanced degrees to prove themselves. Most of these masters degrees have been watered down and only encourage female resentment and bitterness as they are centered around liberal theories of “the man” (White men) conspiring against everyone else. This does not make women more appealing.

    Couple this with Hollywood telling women that they all have some highly educated mate out there and we end up with grossly unrealistic expectations.

    Society is lying to women and especially Black women. Society is lying to everyone really and it isn’t working. There is probably little hope at this point as egalitarians and even conservatives have bet the farm on not race not mattering and gender mostly being a matter of parts.

    But for blacks as a whole, this low fertility among educated black women imposes a sizable dyscultural / dysgenic effect on the African-American population.

    Sure but if most the degrees are BS then you are looking at the wrong equation. The education doesn’t change the genes. Less education might actually be the answer. If we cut out the degrees that aren’t used then most of those Black women wouldn’t have spent 6 years developing bitter attitudes and unrealistic dating standards. Not to mention spending a lot of that time around women and not meeting men. But liberals cling to this idea of education as an equalizing force. In their minds the problem is with men (they won’t say Black) that must be intimidated by these highly educated women.

    The whole thing is really a farce and seeped in race denial. Even if you prevented White men from getting college degrees they would still be too unequal for egalitarians. The White man that you prevented from becoming a doctor would just use his intelligence to create a business or learn a trade. He wouldn’t pick up a 40 and roll dice to help offset inequality.

    That is why this is all so silly. You are trying to make nature what it isn’t and the numbers won’t go away.

    This is all much worse than everyone thinks. No one would believe as to how much fudging goes on behind the scenes.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
  74. @AnotherDad

    This is what i meant by “breeder genes”–breeder genes becoming more common–which you were dismissing as nonsense.

    I know what you mean by “breeder genes”—I was never unclear about that. My point was that claiming there is some genetic component to choosing to have children or not stretches the bounds of credibility. We are not talking about eye color here; this is a complex decision made by a free-willed human being which involves all sorts of incidental details of life history. You might as well say there are genes for speaking English or genes for being born in the 20th century. It is a category mistake.

    You are using the word “gene” in the colloquial fashion that uneducated people do when they say that they have “happy” genes or that old Dad had the “alcoholic” gene. One can take the point of these people without needing to correct them—they wouldn’t understand their error anyway. The problem is that you are not uneducated but you don’t seem to understand that this is what you are doing. You are taking yourself completely literally and it can’t be done in this context.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @rebel yell
  75. @AnotherDad

    This is what i meant by “breeder genes”–breeder genes becoming more common–which you were dismissing as nonsense.

    AnotherMom and i have “breeder genes”. Buzz does not. Now that people can essentially chose–and still have sex–there is strong selection for “breeder genes” going on.

    Breeder genes exist and in fact there is a theory that homosexuality in men is a breeder gene gone haywire which would explain their promiscuity.

    I not only have them but believe that women with them can sense a match.

    I’ve had people say it must be nice being able to have kids without financial worry but the truth is that I would have had them regardless. I don’t say the truth which is that I would have knocked up my wife anyways and don’t really give a f-k about what society thinks. I could drive a beat up mini van with kids I couldn’t afford and not care one iota. When my friend was dating a single mom I told him to knock her up and get sex for life. He thought I was nuts.

    Of course I have breeder genes. I also have genes for aggression. Whites without these genes seem like weirdo cyborgs to me and I am friends with them. I am part wolf and I find it to be life affirming.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  76. Alden says:
    @Rooster11

    Not antique but Obsolete Farm Equipment pronounces ofee. I’d forgotten all about that term for joggers.

    Not an I, G or R in it. I used to use the term all the time. Thanks for reminding me.

  77. Alden says:
    @J.Ross

    They were all White English according to the pictures. The news articles claim that the murderer was born in America but his mother was English and he lived most of his life in England.

    It was a domestic murder He killed his mother and ran out of the house shooting at everyone he saw.
    Psychotic or drugs probably both.

  78. @R.G. Camara

    Dumb comment. Educated black women aren’t having abortions, they are not conceiving. Unfortunately educated black women tend as a group to be particularly unattractive to men. “Babykillers” have both abortions and lots of babies. The sort of woman who relies on abortion for birth control tends to be a bad planner.

  79. @AnotherDad

    Buzz has said before that he’s childless, though never that it was by (his) choice. I’m as big a pessimist as he is, and I chose to have quite a few. I am hoping they’ll be bright enough to survive.

    It’s an interesting parallel with the young UK women who aren’t having kids “because of climate change” – but in their case that desire fits in very neatly to a Britain where real wages have been falling for 22 years and real house prices have doubled, making family formation extremely hard outside the benefits/council house route – and even then you’re restricted to 2 kids max.

    I know a couple of young UK graduettes whose degrees didn’t get them the UN/NGO job they were after and who are managers in retail warehouses, not liking it much. They could have done that job without going to uni.

    My advice to them would be to transfer to a branch in some depressed former Red Wall northern town, buy a house while they are still affordable up there, and build a life*. I imagine such a suggestion would be greeted with horror.

    *Their intelligence would get them further there too. Bright grads in London are everywhere, not so much in Workington or Hartlepool.

    https://www.tomforth.co.uk/onintelligence/

    “The most intelligent Northerners moved South over the past 200 years. As a result, Southerners are today more intelligent”

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
  80. @Achmed E. Newman

    The system we have been developing over the past six decades or more in the usa is not good, and it entails far too much government control (and national gov control at that) over our lives … but it is not socialism.

    Which means of production/distribution of manufactured goods has the US government taken ownership of over the past 60 years?

    Which means of extracting/refining/distributing natural resources has the US government taken ownership of over the past 60 years? (Not that I’d mind that, if all of us non-incarcerated adult US citizens would receive an equal share of the proceeds.)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @BB753
  81. @Alden

    “Psychotic or drugs probably both.”

    If his online stuff has been reported correctly (a big if) he was very distressed about being a virgin at 25 and even more distressed that (as he saw it) all the local women of his age had already been ruined by “Chad” and riding the carousel for 10 years – not a completely implausible idea in a world where online dating has leveraged hypergamy, and not a completely implausible idea if you’ve ever been out drinking and/or people-watching in Plymouth (or most British cities) at midnight on a Saturday.

    Despite the near-freezing temperature, people are dressed in astonishingly little. Women in mini-skirts, high heels, and halter tops shiver visibly, hugging their sides with cold. A girl staggers down the sidewalk on stiletto heels, bent over and clutching her stomach: She’s about to vomit.Another collapses entirely, and her friends howl with laughter as policemen stare impassively. The crowd, which is multiracial, ranges from white men with shaved heads to Bangladeshis with gold-capped teeth. People eat as they walk, dropping fast-food wrappers on the ground.The noise is unbelievable.

    The throng includes the unlikely figure of Anthony Daniels, better known to readers of City Journal, the New Criterion, and the London Spectator by his pen name, Theodore Dalrymple. Stocky and balding, he has a wheezy laugh, a pugnacious mouth, and the devil-may-care smile of the born provocateur.

    “If you can have ideological drunkenness, this is ideological drunkenness,” Mr. Daniels says, almost shouting to make himself heard.

    “And what is the ideology?”

    “The ideology is, ‘I’ve got a right to do whatever I like, and you’re not going to stop me.’”

    Mr. Daniels has invited me to look at what’s going on not because it’s unusual, but because it’s commonplace, ordinary, and to be seen every weekend in urban centers all over the country. “This is British culture,” he says. “What you are now seeing is British culture.”

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @ThreeCranes
  82. @Rooster11

    Many negresses have large numbers of offspring, as the ghetto saying goes,” Mo baby, mo check.” And a baby that can,”Pull a check” is even more desirable. That is to say a kid that is disabled and eligible for a lifetime of government financial assistance, is even more highly desirable.

  83. @Alden

    His dad was a fisherman with a hair-trigger temper (at least one assault imprisonment). But I bet he wasn’t an incel at 25.

    https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2014/11/26/fisherman-bit-crewman-and-would-not-let-go/

    They moved around a bit, too. Paper Of Record.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9892705/Plymouth-shooting-Jake-Davison-son-violent-thug-jailed-attacking-fisherman.html

  84. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve why worry about black people?

    Why not re-name this thead “why generation after generation white people don’t make much progress demographically”?

    Seriously, fuck black people’s issues.

    • Agree: 3g4me
  85. Jesse says:

    A major problem is the level of grief Blacks have been getting for having babies out of wedlock. Society as a whole would be better off if these high end ladies got some high IQ donor sperm and simply set to breeding. But they’ve imbibed the social discourse to the point where you often see high end Blacks in their 30s and 40s boasting (!) about not having kids. It’s quite distressing.

  86. Thea says:
    @AnotherDad

    4) Pass your culture–norms, values, traditions–successful along to the next generation.

    It is mind losing how the West lost this one. America, and the rest of Western culture, were the gold standard of human society. I think it goes all the way back to he horrors or WWI that caused such self-doubt as to Cause our grandparents to fall for fast talking anti-American salesmen.there had to be some homegrown weakness that let us get hoodwinked like this.

    All this HBD talk yet here we are losing our societies. Intelligence isn’t enough. We’ve lost something that inspires us to build our future.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
  87. @Buzz Mohawk

    As for what I have done and you have not, I have children. This will not enable me to personally save the world, but it makes a small contribution to a better future. You seem to believe that there would be no tragedy if every single human being stopped reproducing, as long as they made that decision after your death. What can one say to this myopia?

    It’s as if you’ve bought into sjw propaganda about how awful things are. They are the ones shouting they won’t have children because of their irrational climate worship (and wrongheaded belief that their children would be particularly bad for the climate).

    The world is not that bad and it is not getting that much worse. People had children through the Black Plague, when a third of the population died in front of them. They had kids through Napoleon marching across Europe. They had kids through Hitler and Stalin murdering tens of million during years of warfare. And you are complaining about what? That the media doesn’t let steve have Ezra Klein’s job? Hey, I know it’s not fair, but grow some balls and face the future.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  88. Mike Tre says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You seem like a guy good Buzz, and regardless of its course, the world would have benefited from a few baby Buzz’s running around getting ready to reassert some sanity once they were adults.

    Of course at the individual level you weren’t going to live to see their effect or be able to measure it before your leave this world, but almost no one does. It is up to us, our people as you say, to invest in the future and bring more people like us into the world to make a better future. History belongs to those who show up for it, as they say.

    Just my point of view and no hard feelings.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  89. JMcG says:
    @Spangel226

    It’s ok, my wife is brilliant as well, and we have four kids. We got this..

    • Thanks: Spangel226, Rich
  90. JMcG says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Well, certainly not if one wants to keep one’s job.

  91. Arclight says:

    I think it’s pretty persuasive and lines up with my personal experience. Thanks to the schools my kids go to plus from a few personal relationships, I have seen a decent sample of high achievement black women. Those that didn’t marry don’t have any kids. For the rest, most have just a single child although I know of two couples with 3 and 4 kids but in one case the woman is just half black and in the other the woman is married to a white guy. That said, both parents in these families are very smart with genuine professional accomplishments to match, and have raised great kids.

    In my job, I come into contact with a lot of people in the bottom half of society and I really don’t come across a lot of white women with more than 2 kids and usually they have the same father, whereas I do see a lot of black women with at least 2 and almost never the same dad. I still don’t understand what guy would want to have a kid with a woman he is not married to and who already has a whelp or two with some other loser.

  92. @Intelligent Dasein

    As Steve has pointed out, white women marrying black men equals more sports stars! But white men marrying black women thus far just equals more warm-n-fuzzy car commercials and feel-good photos for bank websites.

  93. Travis says:
    @John Johnson

    The welfare system is dysgenic and has been since the 1950s.

    if HBD is true, Blacks will improve relative to Whites when they become genetically more White

    Blacks born to White mothers will have better outcomes than Blacks born to African-American Doctors. This is hard to dispute and we can see that even wealthy Blacks have children with worse outcomes than poor whites.

    The pathologies in Black areas have improved greatly since 1990. One reason is that Blacks are genetically less Black today compared to those born prior to 1990.

    While i agree the current welfare system is dysgenic, the high rates of mulatto children are eugenic for Blacks. Certainly the fact that 15% of Blacks have a White or Asian parent has a eugenic effect. We can even see it in the data, as mulatto Blacks perform much better compared to the average Black.

    But during the eighties just 3% of Black births had a White parent compared to 15% today. If genetics is a factor in Black behaviors we should be seeing Blacks perform better today compared to the 1990s because Blacks today are genetically less Black than Blacks 20 years ago.

    In 1980, only 5% of black men married a Non-Black woman, but that increased to 15% in 2008 and reached 24% in 2018. https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/Intermarriage-May-2017-Full-Report.pdf

    if the share of Blacks who are mostly White genetically increases from the current 15% to 25% we should see Black performance improve. Unless Black pathology is caused by racism and not genetics. If Blacks have poor outcomes due to systemic racism then having a White parent may not help as much, because systemic racism harms even blacks who are 90% White.

    • Replies: @Donald A Thomson
    , @Tony
  94. @MarkinLA

    Also, the kids of the “amazing black women” aren’t too amazing. The Peter Principle already promotes everyone to their “highest level of incompetence.” But the Affirmative Action Peter Principle has promoted the average black lady writer at the NYT, or black college professor, way beyond their level of incompetence.

    So, as Raj Chetty shows, the offspring of successful blacks tend to fall off a cliff as they regress way back toward the actual black mean of competence. Chetty of course (implicitly) claims this is just anti-black systemic racism causing “downward mobility.”

    Affirmative action is strongest for elite positions (precisely because there would otherwise be so few blacks filling them). And there is a certain minimum threshold of cognitive ability and educational ability that blacks have to hit before they are eligible for the really big over-promotion of elite affirmative action.

    If the kids in the next generation can’t make that minimal cutoff they don’t get the same benefits of pro-black systemic racism. So it’s not surprising to see a massive regression in the offspring of black elites.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  95. @joe862

    Masters degrees are an overpriced consumer product.

    The only place they pay off is in public K-12 teaching salaries where there is usually an automatic pay bump based solely on credentials held. Of course that’s the public sector so they would pay extra for something useless.

  96. @Gizmo

    A friend once taught at an all-black middle school in Akron, Ohio. The career goals of most of the students were to be either gangbangers or welfare mammas. 10-15% of the girls were pregnant at any given time and deliberately produced babies in order to collect welfare. Ohio originally provided 5 years of welfare per baby, then cut the length of time to 3, thinking that that would discourage baby-breeding for fun and profit. Girls just had babies every 3 years instead. On top of that, they were stupid.

    They’re also less likely to have an abortion because baby = gibmedat or they’re abysmally stupid or strung out.

    Responsible, decent blacks don’t set the tone of black society, but the underclass does.

  97. @Steve Sailer

    One reason for low TFR of educated black women is probably the difficulty of finding a suitable black husband. Educated women basically refuse to marry down. And Educated black women want an equally educated black husband (both for the usual group-affinity reasons and also for woke ideological reasons). But that’s near impossible to find as there aren’t as many educated black men as women, and educated black men tend to marry white women anyway.

    I bet the number of children by educated black men is way above the number for educated black women, which would tend to prove this hypothesis.

  98. Bill B. says:
    @angmoh

    Thomas Sowell (based black economist) noticed in the last century how success black couples had few children. He said it was very bad for society, albeit IIRC he thought this was in line with trends for other races.

  99. @angmoh

    W.E.B. Dubois wrote a lengthy oped about 100 years ago describing this phenomenon exactly.

    It’s been going on for quite a while.

    Can’t find the article now on account of it’s being memory holed. Maybe a good reader here will have more luck?

    • Replies: @res
  100. ‘…So black women with Master’s degrees have only 44% as many babies as black women with only high school degrees, compared to 83% for white women…’

    I’d note that one potentially confounding factor would be what field the black masters degrees are in.

    I’d guess they’re disproportionately fluff degrees in things like education or public administration, acquired as the holders climb the greasy pole in government and public school bureaucracies. How that would affect matters is a good question, but obviously, a post-graduate degree in education simply isn’t the same animal as one in physics. It’d be like comparing the cardio-vascular health of sportsmen to each other — where one is a trout fisherman and the other is a marathoner.

  101. anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Visualize those charts with an abortion component or two.
    How much, er, fertility was coat-hangered?
    Think of that as a counter-fucktual.
    You’re welcome.

  102. Mike1 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Or they are Mormon…

    A lot of the education in the BYU’s seems to be comical though. They have four year welding degrees! Welding is a real skill but the basics can be taught in twenty minutes.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  103. @Hypnotoad666

    I bet the number of children by educated black men is way above the number for educated black women, which would tend to prove this hypothesis.

    Presenting Dr. Conrad Murray, “Grenadian former cardiologist who was the personal physician of Michael Jackson at the time of his death in 2009.”

    In May 2009, he began working as Jackson’s personal physician.[7] By that time, Murray had reportedly fathered seven children by six different women.[8] He was in arrears on the mortgage for the Las Vegas home occupied by his first wife and children and owed child support to the mothers of children outside of his marriage, which he could not pay due to the amount of money he owed to Michael Jackson’s family. He was married to Blanche, his second wife, whom he met at medical school, and helped pay rent for another woman, Nicole Alvarez. Murray met Alvarez at a gentlemen’s club in Las Vegas when she worked as a stripper, and Alvarez gave birth to their son Che Giovanni Murray in March 2009.[9] Another relationship, with a cocktail waitress from Houston, was also reported.[10]

    Murray was at risk of losing his California medical license due to unpaid child support to one of his children and owed \$13,000 to a California woman, Nenita Malibiran.[11] Murray was a defendant in numerous civil lawsuits (though none for medical malpractice). By 2008, he had accumulated over \$600,000 in court judgments against him for medical equipment and unpaid rent for his practices in Texas and Nevada. He also owed \$71,000 for student loans at Meharry Medical College.[12] Murray filed for bankruptcy in 2002, in California.[13] Murray expected to go back to jail in September.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Murray

  104. @Hypnotoad666

    If the kids in the next generation can’t make that minimal cutoff they don’t get the same benefits of pro-black systemic racism. So it’s not surprising to see a massive regression in the offspring of black elites.

    Our dopey liberal social engineers still believe that if we create enough 6 figure salaries for Blacks then their newly found middle classness will rub off on their children and neighbors.

    They didn’t consider the ramifications of putting a completely average person in charge of a school or government department. Those positions are high pay for a reason. You are selecting from the top 3% at the most.

    Instead you are hiring from the stack based on race and the damage is so severe to the rest of the organization that you are better off hiring the admin position based on merit and then creating some new make-work position for the Black woman, even if the latter is better pay.

    Some schools in Black areas are hopelessly corrupt due to this practice. Mediocre Black women have created their own networks and seek to block out any accountability. As with the private sector once you get a hive of mediocre people they will align to keep their betters from rising the ranks. They are fully aware that their jobs are dependent on controlling the organization.

    • Agree: By-tor
  105. Fertility tates are irrelevant, as shitocrats are allowing all of south america to invade while recucklicans suck their thumbs, cowering in the corner.

  106. @Hypnotoad666

    One reason for low TFR of educated black women is probably the difficulty of finding a suitable black husband. Educated women basically refuse to marry down

    They refuse to marry down but they aren’t as high up the totem pole as they think.

    This is the result of society creating an massive world of bullshit instead of facing the reality of race. They fill the heads of these Black women with the delusion that race doesn’t exist and thus there must be an above-average Black man out there for them. Society gives them a gimme masters degree and convinces them that it would actually be racist to lower their standards. What they imagine to be average is grossly skewed by egalitarian BS in the schools and media.

    I actually looked over the thesis submissions for one of those gimme degrees and they amounted to mediocre essays by 10th graders at best. That is no exaggeration. Society spends over 50k on each of these degrees.

    This was their final paper and they read like ESL essays in English 101. Like I said no one has any idea as to how bad it is. The gaps we see today are from White egalitarians fudging and lying for the mediocre while encouraging doubt and loathing in talented Whites and especially White males. Critical race theory tries to fill White children with guilt and loathing at an early age in order to undermine their confidence. Egalitarians are failing to equalize at the college level and want to start earlier.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  107. @Hypnotoad666

    Good point. Also 30% of the well educated Blacks will have a white spouse like Judge Clarence Thomas, which makes it much more difficult for Black females to find a Husband.

  108. @Anon

    Is there any country that can avoid Idiocracy?

    Yes. Some country definitely will. Eventually.

    Because, doing so gives your country a huge competitive advantage. In fact, if you are the only country that does avoid it, you’ll absolutely dominate and your people may inherit the entire world.

    Will that be China? Don’t know. Unfortunately–unless we radically turn things around–it does not look likely to be anyone from the West.

  109. The main reason that blacks cannot make much progress is because of the black crime rate, people with money don’t want to live in a war zone. Black neighborhoods will never be worth that much because most people move out of a black area when they get enough money, no amount of activism will change that fact

  110. @Reg Cæsar

    “Note that after the AA trough, TFR goes up slightly with higher education. But their children are born in their mothers’ forties too often. By that age, the high-school dropout is welcoming grandchildren.”

    Right you are, Reg.

    The age at which women begin producing their children matters even if the number that they produce isn’t excessive.

    Take, for example, Woman A, who postpones children until she is 30 to pursue education and passes these cultural values on to her children. Then take Woman B, who begins bearing children when she ends her education at 18 – or earlier – and passes these cultural values on to her children. If we restrict the number of children per generation to 2 and the years between births to 2 – just to keep things equitable – we can then see some remarkable demographics.

    By the time that Woman A has completed her family at 32, Woman B still has only her 2 children, born when she was 18 and 20. However, when Woman A first becomes a grandmother at 60, Woman B has 4 grandchildren and 8 great-grandchildren. That makes 3 descendants for Woman A at age 60 and 14 for Woman B.

    By the time, she dies at 83, Woman A will have produced 2 children, who will have produced 4 grandchildren, making her descendants total 6 at her death.

    At 83 years, Woman B will have produced 2 children, 4 grandchildren, 8 great-grandchildren, and 16 great-great-grandchildren for a total of 30 descendants.

    The difference between 6 and 30 is quite remarkable. Of course, there is nothing to say that this is typical – it isn’t. Woman A and her descendants are more likely to have 1 child or none. The point is that the number of less capable people increases.

  111. @R.G. Camara

    Why would anyone want to facilitate the continuance of such scum as you and the other violent respondents to my comment?

    You and they have basically proven my point. As it is said, “QED.”

    Are you and they so sensitive and insecure as to react in this way?

    Your reply is virtual violence. I have a strong hunch that if you ever — in real, 3-D, actual meat life, dude, encountered me, my firearms and my trained dog, YOU would be the sucker on the other end, as in that disgusting video you posted.

    GFY — and don’t F with me!

    You know I am right about the future, and that is what is making you so angry. You have no other response in your limited brain.

    • LOL: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @R.G. Camara
  112. 3g4me says:
    @MarkinLA

    @4 MarkinLA: Out of LOL/agrees for now, but would reply with both. Sailer’s whole argument is based on the fallacy that all the black women getting degrees the past 1-2 generations (i.e. post affirmative action) are actually smart enough that they ought to have been in college, and that they majored in anything of use to anyone in Western society. No more than the top 10-15% of White America ought to go to college (if education were legitimate the way it was prior to WWII), and perhaps 1% of blacks, if that. Most college graduates today, regardless of race, are dumber than rocks. The blacks are both dumber and angrier and far more entitled (Pierian Spring, regression to the mean, etc.).

    Additionally, to add to the insult, Sailer also predicates his argument on the assumption that if blacks weren’t so deficient in IQ, then they’d automatically be suitable for his dream of ‘citizenism.’ I don’t care if their IQ rises astronomically or if they ‘like’ Western society, not to mention their innate violence or lack of empathy or physically alien appearance. I am not an IQ autiste. Blacks (and Han and pajeet etc.) are not my people. Their future genetic fitness is not my concern, and they don’t belong in my nation.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    , @Meretricious
  113. @AnotherDad

    Dad, you are the smartest commenter here.

  114. 3g4me says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    @17 Triteleia Laxa: High on your own supply, sugar britches.

  115. 3g4me says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    @57 Achmed E Newman: Utter and deliberate ignorance of the fact that economics<culture<race.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  116. @Intelligent Dasein

    Let’s parse:

    I know what you mean by “breeder genes”—I was never unclear about that. My point was that claiming there is some genetic component to choosing to have children or not stretches the bounds of credibility.

    No it doesn’t. There are genes affecting all our mental traits–intelligence, verbal ability, math ability, spatial ability, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, religiosity, musicality … on and on and on. Desire for children and finding the process rewarding and fun strikes me as pretty obviously one of those things. Involving no doubt a complex stew of these traits.

    I have a bunch of traits that put me on the more “nurturing” side of the male norm. I tend to be “good with kids” and had a bunch of fun with friends’ kids before i had my own. I’ve found it to be far and away the most rewarding experience of my life. (Would recommend!) But some people are not so oriented.

    We are not talking about eye color here; this is a complex decision made by a free-willed human being which involves all sorts of incidental details of life history.

    Obviously. People can have a high orientation one way or another and not the family to match. Everything from the culture you live in, to finding a mate, to basic biological function. (Heck, I’ve heard there are men who can have unprotected sexual congress with fertile women and not get them pregnant–not my experience!)

    But this in no way means “breeder genes” won’t be selected for. In fact, in an era the culture does not encourage marriage and family, and their are simple effective methods to avoid pregnancy, the people who are going ahead and producing big families are ones who want to–breeders.

    You might as well say there are genes for speaking English or genes for being born in the 20th century. It is a category mistake.

    This is analogy is a category mistake.

    ~~~

    “Breeder genes” exist–some stew of mental traits–and are being selected for.

    Unfortunately, a bunch of other genes are being selected for as well, including stupidity/incompetence.

    And most unfortunately, the immigration insanity rushes onward destroying job prospects, depressing wages, sending housing prices skywards and destroying any last vestige of community … all annihilating “affordable family formation”.

    Maybe it’s time for an “elite” that doesn’t hate the people?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  117. @Spangel226

    Hey, that’s a really good comment. I feel much better now.

    (The real reasons I chose not to reproduce concerned my own mental illness and my inability to build a stable life. I just use these comments as a mental crutch. The rest of you guys — you who are basically equivalent my own own +2, +3 SD IQ — can have all the kids you want. Trust me, I was wise not to have any.

    My wife, on the other hand, should have had a million kids. Why she married me and agreed to no kids, I will never know.

    Wait, I do know. It’s because I am incredibly sexy, am good in bed, and have a big dick.)

  118. @Mike Tre

    Thank you, Mike. I feel that you are correct, and I am grateful for your comment.

    I even feel sorry that, by not reproducing, I did not fulfill the requirements of the paradigm you have described.

    Truly, there were personal reasons, and I respect anyone on “our side” of this issue who does have children. I only fear for what their children will live through. I was not willing to condemn anyone to that future. For this, I may be wrong and even contemptible, as other commenters here seem to think, but it is my feeling.

    Again, thank you.

  119. @YetAnotherAnon

    He’s not wrong.

    It’s a depressing scene facing ordinary young men who are bringing averageish intelligence, looks, sociability, earning power into the mix. (Divorce statistics bear out that women who have been out “dating” for years are worthless. A bad bet. A young man might as well go to Vegas and put his money in the one-armed bandits.)

    It’s just depressing when your society gives pathological messaging to young women and they–predictably–go nuts.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  120. @J

    Buzz, I think you should be sentenced to dance naked in the main street, …

    I once shtupped with a girlfriend on a bench on a street corner in Boulder, Colorado, on 9th Street, in the middle of the night. Does that count?

    (We used the “cowgirl” position, so it was pretty easy.)

    No babies were produced, sorry.

  121. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @3g4me

    Sadly we’ve passed an inflection point and black IQ and ability–soon to be supplied by waves of African immigrants–is no longer an objective good but just improving the enemy’s arsenal.

    Look how many sub-continentals are leaders of the movement. In the US this group is educated, intelligent and probably wealthier than whites–and worryingly prone to historical resentment and demagogy. Far more dangerous than my personal favorite minority, Mexicans, who are admirably apolitical and laconic, and are our likeliest ally among the minorities in the coming scrum.

    Alas.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  122. @RadicalCenter

    The US Feral government has taken ownership of Trillions of dollars of US taxpayers’ money, including MINE. Money buys resources, so money IS resources. The US Feral government distributes these (MY) resources to support other people’s families. Taxes, R.C., are part ownership and taxes are control.

  123. @Newjoestalin

    Hey, are you the same guy as the original Unz Review Joe Stalin? If so, why the handle change (if you can say)?

  124. Not Raul says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’ve noticed the same thing.

    This is a fascinating topic.

  125. @AnotherDad

    Desire for children and finding the process rewarding and fun strikes me as pretty obviously one of those things. Involving no doubt a complex stew of these traits.

    I agree there are breeder genes but I wasn’t talking about a combination of family-positive traits.

    I actually think it is like lactase persistence in that they will find 2 or 3 genes that provide a very specific function.

    They have already identified a handful of genes that are associated with self-control.

    It won’t simply a be a lust gene but they will find that as well.

    In fact, in an era the culture does not encourage marriage and family, and their are simple effective methods to avoid pregnancy, the people who are going ahead and producing big families are ones who want to–breeders.

    My bet is that White people will shrink as a group but breeder genes will eventually become the norm. Once we get rid of White guilt the population will reverse.

    Liberals on a genetic level are Whites with excessive empathy that overpowers their ability to think logically. The ones on the extreme ends will either not procreate or cut their genes with breeders. Nature basically rewarded egalitarian Whites in a homogenous society but this becomes detrimental in modern society where their empathy is used against them. So nature is adjusting because White people are willfully stupid and don’t want to face this reality. White people that can face reality and have breeder genes will become the norm. The die hard left-wing cat moms are removing their overactive empathy genes from the pool. The only good aspect of liberalism is that their rejection of human genetics makes them oblivious to all of this.

  126. @Dennis Dale

    Look how many sub-continentals are leaders of the movement. In the US this group is educated, intelligent and probably wealthier than whites–and worryingly prone to historical resentment and demagogy. Far more dangerous than my personal favorite minority, Mexicans, who are admirably apolitical and laconic, and are our likeliest ally among the minorities in the coming scrum.

    I reached a similar conclusion. Most of our current problems will seem trivial compared to what is coming.

    Eventually some highly populated African country will explode in civil war or suffer from famine and the liberals will be telling us that we “only” need to bring in 10 or 20 million. Our cowardly conservatives will be a minority due to their insistence upon running losing strategies like defending private healthcare.

    The only way to stop the coming disaster is to align with Hispanics against the globalist left.

    There is really no way around this. The GOP is filled with idiots that still think Africa will have Costcos and Starbucks ANY DAY NOW because of the free market. The GOP needed to switch to populism years ago. But they are filled with globalists that can’t give up the dream of one big market.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  127. Anon[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis

    When I was in my mid-30s, I briefly dated a very attractive, light-skinned Jamaican woman. She was a successful pharmaceutical sales rep for large pharma , a former TV spokesmodel, owned her own waterfront house on FL’s gulf coast, drove a Mercedes, and was quite pleasant and sharp. In her mid-30s and childless, she asked me to be her sperm donor, no strings attached, and backed up with a contract. I declined her offer.

  128. @3g4me

    you don’t know that–show me the data

  129. @John Johnson

    You’d need some crazy forced breeding program at this point to change anything.

    A socially engineered breeding control program to improve blacks is available – it’s called law enforcement and prison.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
  130. BB753 says:
    @RadicalCenter

    You’re correct. The kind of regime where big corporations are in bed with big government and vice-versa is more aptly called corporativism or fascism.

  131. “So while black women are 25/45ths as likely as white women to be college graduates, babies born to black mothers are only 10/36ths as likely to have a mother who is a college graduate as are babies born to white mothers.”

    Not hard to understand. Perhaps its been mentioned here. Black women are more likely than black men to graduate from college (both as a higher percentage of black women and among blacks total). Black women at the higher levels of academia simply can’t find very many black men of similar academic level to marry. And they’re not going to marry non POCs. It’s really that simple. If more and more black men were graduating from college at the same percentage as black women were, and were
    receiving Masters and Ph.d’s at the same percentage, then they would most likely marry and have more children than they are.

    The reason why white women with BAs, MAs, and Ph’d’s are having more children than black women with similar education degrees is because there are enough white men at similar education levels as white women. For the most part, white men and women with high levels of education tend to marry within their own race. Black women would like to as well, but there simply aren’t enough black men at their higher educational level. Hence fewer children, and in fact, many black women with higher education levels are oftentimes doomed to a life of spinsterhood.

    It’s really not that difficult to understand.

    • Replies: @anon
  132. @Intelligent Dasein

    We are not talking about eye color here; this is a complex decision made by a free-willed human being which involves all sorts of incidental details of life history.

    Don’t genes influence everything about us from the ground up?
    College vs prison – genes
    Art major vs computer science major – genes
    Platonist vs Aristotelian – genes
    Neo-Aristotelian vs Classical Aristotelian – genes
    Genes don’t just make the lower regions that make you horny. Genes also make the higher judgement centers (free will) where you decide to have or not have kids. And they can make those higher judgement centers differently in different people.
    And the research seems to show that gene differences, if anything, carry more weight than the incidental details of life history.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  133. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz , admitting that you need a gun and an attack dog to handle Mr camara is totally cringe, embarrassing and a display of absolutely no self awareness. Nice total meltdown tho. 9/10 .

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  134. @rebel yell

    Don’t genes influence everything about us from the ground up?

    No.

    This is simplistic, scientistic mythmaking. And the fact that 99% of the commenters on this site seem to believe that has obviated any possibility of serious discussion here.

    • Troll: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @rebel yell
    , @John Johnson
  135. @YetAnotherAnon

    I saw the same degrading behavior a number of years ago on a tour through England. Ghastly. I believe the English lower class is much more depraved than the American.

    In my last comment–a too long essay in which I wrote about Nietzsche (which nobody read or deemed worthy of reply)–I spoke of ancient times when humanity believed that the Gods and Goddesses lived among them. The Olympians intervened in human affairs, elevating their favorites and facilitating the destruction of others, less favored. In the presence of the Gods, something is expected of us. We are being constantly observed, judged and held accountable. Now, today, for various reasons, the Gods are Dead. The last one who dared show his face among us, we tortured to death by crucifixion. We give them nary a thought. If there is nothing lofty that is expected of us by superior beings, then there is nothing to live up to. With nothing to live up to, then all that remains is to live a life in which you can cram as much pleasure as you can during your sojourn upon this Earth. Hedonism replaces heroism.

    This is not just a theory, it’s a psychological mechanism.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    , @JMcG
  136. @Travis

    Why do you believe there’s any systemic racism that has the slightest harmful effect on US Blacks? Affirmative Action has been around in the USA for over 50 years and that’s just another name for racist discrimination in favour of Blacks.

    That US Blacks haven’t benefitted from the discrimination in their favour proves their inferiority in competition for financial success. Whites can’t fix lazy and they can’t fix stupid.

    For that matter, an African doctor or scientist can’t fix relative white laziness or stupidity. Why don’t you ask them to at least try? All Democrat ideology says they could succeed and I’d like to be more intelligent though I can’t be bothered with being more energetic. Why can’t Blacks make Whites more financially successful? Perhaps we should agree it’s a stupid thing to try to do and so we should only try and fail for no more than 50 years. Would you prefer 100 years of failure?

    Should Jewish, Chinese or Indian Americans somehow make the relatively less successful non-Jewish US Whites more successful? After all, you don’t really expect much from US Blacks. Why not expect better magic from superior people?

    If there’s a witchdoctor somewhere, capering around a camp fire, who has a magic wand that can change somebody’s sex, surely that’s a small additional favour to ask. That’s cheap too, so there’s no excuse for not doing it. Apparently, Democrats (or at least cultists of the Church of Woke) know his name and address. [email protected]

    • Replies: @Travis
  137. Tony says:
    @Travis

    “If Blacks have poor outcomes due to systemic racism”

    There currently is systemic racism in our country but its against whites. Drug use and early death are symptoms of that.

    • Agree: Travis
  138. @AnotherDad

    “It’s just depressing when your society gives pathological messaging to young women”

    But it’s not my society that’s doing it, or yours either. In our societies are plenty of young foolish people of both sexes, but our societies don’t control the media and the academy which alone can amplify their foolishness and present it as desirable and normal to the next generation.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  139. @John Johnson

    I actually looked over the thesis submissions for one of those gimme degrees and they amounted to mediocre essays by 10th graders at best. That is no exaggeration.

    This was their final paper and they read like ESL essays in English 101. Like I said no one has any idea as to how bad it is.

    All you have to do is read Michelle Obama’s notorious Princeton essay from her senior year to realize just how many mulligans blacks get. It read like a second-rate essay from an eighth grader.

  140. Ralph L says:
    @rebel yell

    With sperm donations for their girlfriends/sisters from their no-cost Ashkenazi lawyer.

  141. @3g4me

    When economics is used to prop up one race at the expense of another, then it matters a lot. That’s what happened over the last 60 years. I don’t see how one can ignore that without being ignorant, by definition.

    • Replies: @Alden
  142. Slimer says:

    It’s true that educated, higher earning black women have low fertility compared to women of other races. However, any dysgenic effect should be offset by white geneflow into the black population, given that black men are procreating interracially at a fairly high rate and about half of biracials marry a black spouse (according to pew research center). Consequently, American blacks in subsequent generations will carry a little more Euro genes than the current generation. Colorism is still very much alive, and so acquiring white genes, even at the bottom tier, might be regarded as progress more so than moving up the economic ladder.

  143. He is saying that race followed by culture have stronger bearing than economic policy.

    Of course we know that isn’t true. Haiti has been capitalist for over 100 years and is the shining example of how the invisible hand of capitalism can turn any country into a free market utopia. They really put those Socialistic Swedes to shame.

  144. Malcolm Y says:

    Are these statistics of Race X having Race X babies or is it Race X having babies? Maybe this is negligible but are highly educated black women having Blite, Blanic, or Bloriental babies? The overwhelming majority of black women are real dogs (sorry to insult dogs) so it’s not surprising no one wants them. But it seems there are a lot of mongrels being produced. Since this CRT stuff broke out I’ve collected a few photos of black land whales one of whose complaints is that black neighborhoods are “food deserts.”

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  145. PaceLaw says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Yep, but you didn’t include the fact that educated black women generally are very racist (!) and do not want to date or marry outside of their race. I know of several black female attorneys in the Baltimore-DC region who absolutely refuse to consider dating outside of their race, even though the number of black male attorneys/professionals (comparatively speaking) is relatively small. The relatively few black male attorneys that there are have a wealth of options to date, both black women and women of other races.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  146. PaceLaw says:
    @Gizmo

    Well said! It does, in fact, seem as if the black community has become more aberrant and deviant over the generations. Long gone are the days when blacks strove for respectability (remember when dressing sharply was a thing?), but now seemingly demand that society acquaints itself with their downward trajectory. No doubt that the black community will be producing more George Floyds than Thomas Sowells going forward. Sad.

  147. @John Johnson

    high [government worker] pay for a reason. You are selecting from the top 3% at the most.

    No.

    The government gives as much money to its friends as it can get away with.

    The head of a government department is just as worthless (< 0) as a welfare case, but due to said head having a Masters degree, the government can justify (as if a legislative oversight committee cared) that the worker is "top 3%", and therefore deserving of 3X whatever it's paying the uneducated, welfare case.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  148. Rooster11 says:
    @Newjoestalin

    It’s interesting you bring this up, I’ve seen it first hand a few times. They also tend to “pass” these family members around various households to remain on various government programs, as it resets the clock.

    In the city I live in, there’s free legal services at the ready for these people. They help them navigate the system, and keep them abreast of any new legislative changes. It essentially comes down to a professional swindling of tax payer dollars… paid for by tax payer dollars!

  149. @ThreeCranes

    In my last comment–a too long essay in which I wrote about Nietzsche (which nobody read or deemed worthy of reply)

    I know the feeling.

    I read your comment after seeing you refer to it here. It is very good. You are among the rare set of people who understand what Nietzsche actually meant. Furthermore, your comments about Covid these last several months have been outstanding.

    Of all the commenters here (and I read them all—I never have and never will employ the cowardly expedient of the “Ignore List”), you are among the 3 or 4 whose offerings I look forward to with particular relish. Thank you for taking the time.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Mike Tre
  150. @Abolish_public_education

    The head of a government department is just as worthless (< 0) as a welfare case, but due to said head having a Masters degree, the government can justify (as if a legislative oversight committee cared) that the worker is "top 3%", and therefore deserving of 3X whatever it's paying the uneducated, welfare case.

    Just as worthless as a welfare case? I think you might underestimate how few people can actually write a basic letter or reference a spreadsheet cell from a separate page.

    Under normal conditions a government will select from the top 3% of applicants for administrative positions just like the private sector.

    Most of our governments are not operating under normal conditions and are under pressure to promote diversity or maintain the status quo.

    Do governments tend to have more bloat and political appointees? Of course but large corporations aren’t much different.

    Our large corporations have fully embraced affirmative action and do not value strong minded White men in administrative positions. The boards are already criticized for being “too White” and so they cowardly submit to liberal demand.

    In diverse areas White men are expected to be the quiet fixers of the machines and anything remotely related to administration or marketing should be given to women and especially Black women. White men that try to climb the ladder in these areas are fools. Society hath decreed that race doesn’t exist and White men need to be taken down a notch since they clearly must have conspired along the way. Educated people share this belief so it must be true.

  151. @Johann Ricke

    If I had given my fifth grade teacher Michelle Obama’s Princeton essay, my teacher would have returned it to me with an “R” on top. “R”? Yes, rejected, redo, not worthy of an F”. Really.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  152. An Overlooked Reason Why, Generation After Generation, Blacks Don’t Make Much Progress

    Lack of management capability?

    Burrito Brawl: Chipotle employee* hurls scissors at customer after he makes complaint

    Money shot at 0:55:

    https://www.facebook.com/antmo1/videos/369052931404306

    *manager

  153. @Malcolm Y

    The overwhelming majority of black women are real dogs (sorry to insult dogs) so it’s not surprising no one wants them.

    Well it doesn’t help that so many are obese and have an attitude problem. What a combination.

    Black women seem to think that being polite in public means suppressing their super Black girl badness.

    As with White liberal women they get a masters degree and think they are in some elite class for staying an extra two years to hear the same left-wing narratives.

    Total shocker that they have problems dating. Guys LOVE pretentious unattractive women.

    Below average looking and they look down on regular guys as if they are queens.

    LINE UP BOYS.

  154. @Anon

    Gee, I’m sorry for being “totally cringe.”

    His comment, on the other hand, was just beautiful, wasn’t it?

  155. res says:
    @Mark Miller

    This is the closest I found, but I’m pretty sure it’s not what you meant.
    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/00/11/05/specials/dubois-north.html

    Can you give any more clues about the article you meant?

  156. PaceLaw says:
    @anon

    Yeah, the term “dysgenic” does kind of stop you cold. Why not something else that’s more user friendly, like “cultural kneecapping,” “rapid default” or “many-steps backwards”???

  157. PaceLaw says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    This is an absurd and silly point of you. The future damn near always looks horrible to those who are in the present. The future looked pretty damn dim to the original pilgrims on Plymouth Rock, didn’t it? The future also looked pretty depressing to Americans on December 8, 1941. The point is to keep the fight going on and moving forward. Just giving up, and throwing up your hands and saying “all is lost” is the complete recipe for disaster. Just saying…

  158. @Buzz Mohawk

    “At this point in American history, it would be blatantly criminal for any intelligent couple to have children and doom them to what’s coming”

    That’s really ridiculous, and I happen to believe that the USA is going down the crapper. But if you had kids, they would likely have been fine, and their kids as well. All those people that could have lived but you pulled the plug on your family line. Tragic. And you’ll never know what it feels to love a child infinitely.

    I guess it’s too late for you so I wish you all the happiness in the world, but don’t convince anyone else to make such a horrible mistake.

  159. PaceLaw says:
    @Morton's toes

    A classic quote. And even a better Afro!

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
  160. PaceLaw says:
    @John Johnson

    I agree with your observations 100%! However, college is a mightily seductive scam overall. Especially, when it comes to the Ivy Leagues and the upper-ranked schools. Far too many people from the lower-to-middle classes are willing to pay-out-the nose for even a hint at the Ivy League prestige that they claim to give you.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/financially-hobbled-for-life-the-elite-masters-degrees-that-dont-pay-off-11625752773?page=1

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  161. @PaceLaw

    Umpteenth reminder: for families with incomes under, say, \$175k, the HYPS ultra rich colleges can be much cheaper than 2nd through 4th tier private colleges and out of state public colleges. Of course, you probably won’t get in, but they have much more money to offer in financial aid than other colleges.

    • Agree: PaceLaw
    • Thanks: Morris Applebaum IV
  162. @PaceLaw

    Hehe, getting an Oscar Gamble baseball card was always hilarious. Great times. Sadly he died a few years back, probably from chewing tobacco.

  163. PaceLaw says:

    What a silly take Reg. So “Jason” doesn’t get into Harvard, Tufts or Clark, but then ends up in auto repair instead???? There’s not a University of Massachusetts or Amherst to consider as well? Lol!

    You predict a huge and massive gap from entering Harvard to being an auto mechanic. Realistic? No, not at all. Just saying . . .

    • Replies: @VivaLaMigra
  164. @Intelligent Dasein

    You don’t believe that the brain makes our thoughts and opinions? Or that the brain is made by genes? Or that brain-making genes vary among individuals?
    Not saying all this is maniacally deterministic – only that any reasonable person would expect that differences between people’s brain-making genes would result in differences in their brain outputs. Certainly happens with Down Syndrome kids. Genes don’t specify which language you learn, but they specify your ability to learn a language.
    Not scientism at all to think that genes cause not just intellectual capacities but also intellectual tastes and inclinations. Of course you think and reason to decide which argument to accept. But you think and reason with a brain that is built differently than the other brains around you, and your different brain build is part of the cause of you reaching a different conclusion.
    This stuff is not scientism (being mesmerized by science-sounding BS). Read Pinker “How the Mind Works”.

  165. Even if Black female Doctors increased their fertility to the same level as black high School graduates it would have little impact on Black performance because so few Black women become Doctors. Also it depends on the father of these kids.

  166. @Intelligent Dasein

    Well, thanks ID. I too read your comments with particular care. As I do so I think to myself, what is this guy up to? What motivates him to be concerned with just those particular things which concern him? Obviously, he has put a great deal of time and thought into this sifting through the past–as I have–what is it he’s searching for? Where is the center of gravity of his thoughts?

    I happen to believe–and have good reasons for doing so–that each of us, all of us, that our mental journey is somewhat preprogrammed genetically. The quest we (all of us) are on is as much a process of self discovery as it is of gaining knowledge of the world we find ourselves in. We are as much a mystery to ourselves as the world is to a child’s mind.

    I emphatically reject the notion that what’s in our brain is only and simply what experience has impressed upon us, like a die into soft wax, as Locke and other’s believed. I don’t say that we’re guided by Spirits as the ancients did–though that is a pretty good interpretation to put upon it–but I do believe that there is some “content” to the mind that is there from birth. And I’m not just talking about Kant’s categories of the understanding or Hume’s observation of the mind’s habitual habit of forming habits. No, I mean literally, that you inherited some slant or direction to your mind that may be the product of past experiences which impressed themselves so powerfully upon some ancestor that somehow that was encoded in your DNA. Or something.

    And that the mind unfolds or emerges as an individual matures. And that the direction that unfolding takes is completely unpredictable. And that it is a surprise to the individual himself. It is the product of his ancestors, though not in the strictly determinative sense. The path an individual trods is both a revelation to himself and about himself. I realize that these are not popular notions today, but those who believe that randomness and chance rule will come around, sooner or later.

    Anyway, here’s another offering on Covid and the body. Don’t know if you’ve seen this. It’s a step above the newspaper accounts. I can’t remember where I stumbled upon the link. May have been here on Unz. Sorry if I’m not acknowledging the someone who first posted this.

    In short, we should not be messing around with the human genome. It is the product of millions of years of evolution and it is folly to believe that a few whiz kids can go in and alter this or that and that that will dovetail perfectly with what is so complex that we don’t even begin to understand it, either taken by itself or in the larger context of our place in the evolutionary scheme of things. As they tinker, they say they are “fixing things”. Well, as with the vaccine, those who survive these tests will become ever more reliant upon the drugs to survive until humans are simply hot-house plants who cannot survive in a natural environment at all. They will literally be denizens of “space ship Earth”, an artificial ecosystem. No thanks. Not for me, but you guys go ahead and do it. Just leave me out of your experiment. Leave me and those like me a quiet quarter of the globe where we can recreate the civilized garden, you know, the one with the fountain in the middle, surrounded by a maze that is constructed of leafy bushes which is set in a temple of planted trees, the walking through which is conducive to contemplation.

    Cheers.

    https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/51

    • Replies: @anon
  167. George says:

    Hey iSteve, was Bob Jones University right to ban interatrial dating? Bob Jones University racial policies were a huge thing with the media looking for unreconstructed Southerners to complain about. I personally wonder if the Black women an BJU chose BJU for the ban in interracial dating.

    Although BJU had admitted Asian students and other ethnic groups from its inception, it did not enroll African or African-American students until 1971. From 1971 to 1975, BJU admitted only married Black people,

    the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) had already determined in 1970 that “private schools with racially discriminatory admissions policies” were not entitled to federal tax exemption.

    However, in May of that year, BJU expanded rules against interracial dating and marriage.[122]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University#Racial_policies_and_ban_on_interracial_dating

  168. JMcG says:
    @John Johnson

    I’ve been coming around to a similar view for a few years now.

  169. JMcG says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I’ve seen similar scenes in Irish towns as well. I was in Ireland in the eighties with a girlfriend who was gobsmacked to discover that while males could order a pint of Guinness, ladies would only be served Guinness in a (much smaller) glass. In the early nineties a different girlfriend was bemused by the fact that she wasn’t allowed to stand at the bar with the men, but was expected to sit at a table with the rest of the women.
    By the time I visited with my wife in the early 2000s, women were at the bar knocking down shots with the men- in fact, with more gusto than the men. The evenings out with the fellows for a pint or two and a quiet chat over the price of lambs or the time to cut hay had disappeared and been replaced with the equivalent of a frat party.
    More to your point, the decline in public comportment and pride tracked in exact parallel with the (entirely self-inflicted) decline in the prestige and influence of the Catholic Church in Ireland.

  170. @Intelligent Dasein

    This is simplistic, scientistic mythmaking. And the fact that 99% of the commenters on this site seem to believe that has obviated any possibility of serious discussion here.

    Twin studies have already shown that practically everything is influenced by genetics.

    Society just doesn’t want to believe it.

    It’s more idealistic to believe that we can turn anyone into anything.

  171. So, it does boil down quite simply: single [aka “unmarriageable” – fat, dumb, ugly, lazy, or all four] black females who lay down for anyone poop out a bunch of losers. Who knew?

  172. @PaceLaw

    And, why is “auto repair” work to be denigrated? These days, it takes some training and intelligence. When I was younger, anyone who didn’t mind getting his hands dirty could learn to replace brake linings, change water pumps, do tune-up’s on the primitive ignition systems, etc. The components varied little from make-to-make, model-to-model, or year-to-year. No computer control, no anti-lock brakes, no fault codes. A guy who wanted to open his own garage faced little in the way of “barriers to entry” into the business – find a gas station with a couple of service bays and the basic tools and equipment, and you were self-employed. Try that today; you’re up against dealerships with tens of millions in capital invested.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
  173. Travis says:
    @Donald A Thomson

    HBD is a better explanation for Black performance. Thus Blacks who have White parents and are genetically >60% White should have outcomes closer to Whites than Blacks who are 50% White. Since mulatto Blacks are much more common today than 30 years ago we are seeing Harvard is now 20% Black because they have many more mulatto Americans available.

    Back in the 1990s Harvard was just 5% Black and today 20% of incoming students are Black. Harvard had affirmative action programs to help Blacks starting in the sixties , yet despite much effort they were unable to have a student body which was over 9% Black until the last decade. One reason for this has been the growth of mulatto Blacks. Back in the 1980s just 3% of Backs were mulatto. By 2010 10% of American Blacks were mulatto. Today 15% of African-Americans are mulatto , so it will get much easier for the Ivy league schools to become 20% Black.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  174. res says:
    @Prof

    The reasoning in the abstract seems odd to me.

    W. M. Williams and S. J. Ceci (see record 1998-00892-001) argue against the presence of dysgenic trends for IQ in the United States on the basis of absence of change in the differences between various groups. It is noted here that such differences say little about dysgenesis: This is illustrated by an example of the numbers of children born to Black and White women at different educational levels. Some overall effects, mechanisms, and implications of dysgenesis for IQ are discussed.

    Ah, now I see. The abstract was criticizing the reasoning in Williams and Ceci (1997). From the body.

    In their article, Williams and Ceci (1997) talk a little bit about overall trends in intelligence, which are relevant to the issue of dysgenesis, but mostly they discuss trends in differences in intelligence (between races, between social classes, between high and low test scorers). These, at most, bear only tangentially on whether dysgenesis is or is not occurring in the U.S. population, as is discussed below.

    Table 1 makes a great comparison for the graphs Steve presented. Not sure how much I trust the IQ data though. See the surrounding text for how they derived it. Might be useful for estimating the dysgenic effect over time in any case (could apply the same IQ analysis to the current data).

    If I read this correctly we should be able to get a fairly fine grained time series of the fertility data which would give a better look at the behavior over time.

    Table 1 explores part of these data in more detail. The first two columns in the top section of the table show figures for U.S. White women, aged 35-44, from the 1992 Current Population Survey of the U.S. Census Bureau (Bachu, 1993). They show the number of women (in thousands) by highest level of educational attainment and the average number of children born to each. In the rightmost column in the table, these two numbers are simply multiplied to estimate the actual numbers of children born to mothers at each level of education.

    Though looking at the CPS data pulling out what is needed might be a bit of a chore.
    https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/data/data-tools.html

    Thanks for that link! It definitely adds to the conversation.

    P.S. Here is Williams and Ceci (1997). I was unable to find full text.
    https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2F0003-066X.52.11.1226

    • Replies: @Anon
  175. @Johann Ricke

    All you have to do is read Michelle Obama’s notorious Princeton essay from her senior year to realize just how many mulligans blacks get. It read like a second-rate essay from an eighth grader.

    I took an English course where the prof was telling talented Whites that they needed outside writing assistance while giving A’s to the only Black student.

    Initially I thought that maybe she was only slightly bumping him. She must have assumed that none of us would have the guts to look at his papers. Well I did and couldn’t believe what I saw.

    His paper was barely readable. Not even 8th grade level. Probably 6th grade.

    I nearly teared up when I saw it. It was just all so over the top and ridiculous. It wasn’t enough for her to cheat and give him A’s. She also was trying to knock down the better students.

    The prof was very White and nordic looking in case anyone is wondering.

    I was liberal leaning at the time and never, and I mean never imagined to see anything like that. We were paying for that class and working hard to please her and she was lying and cheating the entire time. After that I never trusted liberals or egalitarians. The ability she had to portray herself as neutral was downright shocking.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  176. Corvinus says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “But it’s not my society that’s doing it, or yours either. In our societies are plenty of young foolish people of both sexes, but our societies don’t control the media and the academy which alone can amplify their foolishness and present it as desirable and normal to the next generation.”

    As if “your society” if and when it gets “control” would not craft their own narrative to amplify your own foolishness and present it as desirable and normal to the next generation.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  177. @George Weinbaum

    There’s no need to pick on Michelle. You could probably criticize 96% of all Princeton, undergraduation theses, for one reason or another. Indeed, the serious departments might only award A’s to one or two papers.

    [MORE]

    I once read the first page of MO’s thesis. I stopped after noticing that she inserted a Latin noun but chose the incorrect gender and singular/plural ending.

  178. Surprising – highly educated White women are simply obnoxious. Weird that they mate at all.

  179. @Corvinus

    Yes, but some foolishness is better, more normal, and desirable than others.

    • LOL: Corvinus
  180. @VivaLaMigra

    When I was younger, anyone who didn’t mind getting his hands dirty could learn to replace brake linings, change water pumps, do tune-up’s on the primitive ignition systems, etc.

    My first job at age 13, in the mid-70s, was pumping gas at a neighborhood Mobile station (with two repair bays). I learned how to do all those repairs, as well as change out transmissions and motors. I restored my first car there – a ’69 Camaro. Still worked there while attending community college, then earned my B.S. Computer Science, and went to work for a large government defense contractor in 1986.

  181. TG says:
    @Rooster11

    Indeed, but here is another angle.

    On average the Japanese have high IQs – but I guarantee you, the bottom 10% of the Japanese working class is about as dumb as American Blacks (are alleged to be). But they are doing fine, and Japan is peaceful and almost uniformly prosperous (yes really, I’ve been there).

    The thing is, the economic value of a commodity has nothing to do with its intrinsic utility, but only with the relative balance of supply and demand for it. In Japan, janitors and meat packers etc. do not compete with an endless supply of third world refugees driving wages down, and they are doing fine.

    No, a modern economy has not reduced the demand for manual labor – in fact, according to Moravec’s paradox, manual labor jobs are harder to automate than many so-called ‘professional’ jobs. We have computers that can solve calculus problems and draft legal briefs, but none that can efficiently sort and fold laundry.

    In the United States, in the early 1960’s, Blacks had finally been allowed to unionize and they were doing pretty well. So what if someone has an IQ of 90, if there are two businesses that want a janitor, and only one person willing to do the work, that IQ 90 janitor is going to do OK.

    Then blacks were fired en masse and replaced with Mexico nationals. Yes really. Now, stupid or not, it’s unrealistic to expect a newly unemployed third-generation meatpacker to suddenly reinvent himself as a world-class software engineer, is it?

    If you fired the bottom 10% of the Japanese working class, and replaced them with Bangladeshis, and they had no ability to earn a decent living through honest labor, I guarantee that you would get all sorts of social pathologies (like Japan had before WWII).

    Instead of hating on the blacks for not being able to compete with the Jews and the Chinese for engineering jobs, how about we stop flooding the labor market and let low-end workers earn a decent living, like they used to? Wouldn’t that solve a lot of these problems?

    One color or another, there’s always going to be a bottom. Forcing everyone to perform at the level of an Edison or Fermi just to earn a middling income, is not a workable way to run a civilization.

    • Agree: Farenheit
    • Thanks: HammerJack
  182. Instead of hating on the blacks for not being able to compete with the Jews and the Chinese for engineering jobs, how about we stop flooding the labor market and let low-end workers earn a decent living, like they used to? Wouldn’t that solve a lot of these problems?

    First of all not everyone here is obsessed with IQ. Race is more complex than IQ differences.

    Your labor theory has two major problems:
    1. Black violence still broke records under record low Black unemployment
    2. Democrats want to flood the labor market with third worlders to lock in votes

    Anyone that visits a Black area will see thugs driving around in 30k vehicles with 8k rims and 5k stereo systems. There is no reason to believe that the more serious Black pathologies are economic in origin. Nothing is stopping those thugs from investing that same money into a business. However both liberals and conservative cling to fuzzy theories that external factors must be to blame for inequality (socialism, Bad Whites, racism, etc).

    This idea that Black problems are economic goes all the way back to the 60s when welfare was created for them. Well Black crime is now worse than it was in the 50s when welfare didn’t exist.

    Even if we somehow fix problem #1 that still leaves #2. Democrats don’t care at all about making sure that Black men can find family wage jobs. They will happily depress labor prices and undermine unions through immigration if it means fewer Whites. This really isn’t a secret and has been going on for decades. Blacks however continue to vote for Democrats at around 90%.

    I’m not Black and am not going to spend much time trying to figure out their economic problems. They do not work together like other minorities and tolerate criminals within their ranks. You really can’t have economic progress in areas where shootings are the norm and police are despised. I’m more concerned with Whites not just out of self-interest but because Whites work at solving major problems yet both conservatives and liberals believe such progress is entirely environmental and can be reproduced with other groups.

    • Replies: @res
  183. @PaceLaw

    I know of several black female attorneys in the Baltimore-DC region who absolutely refuse to consider dating outside of their race

    Do they have a choice in the matter?

  184. @Travis

    HBD is a better explanation for Black performance. Thus Blacks who have White parents and are genetically >60% White should have outcomes closer to Whites than Blacks who are 50% White. Since mulatto Blacks are much more common today than 30 years ago we are seeing Harvard is now 20% Black because they have many more mulatto Americans available.

    If HBD wasn’t true then top tier intellectual positions wouldn’t be disproportionately mulatto.

    That isn’t the case. Black Democrats rely heavily on mulattoes in leadership positions. Black Nationalists are ironically almost all mulatto. Just take a look at Malcom X. Can you imagine him running around with the Zulu? His modern imposter Talcom X is lighter than an Italian. Frederick Douglas was the original magic mulatto and not full Black as many assume. White egalitarians toured him around the country like a pet. LOOK AT THIS NEGRO YOU GUYS, HE TALK PRETTY.

    Egalitarians and liberals think that we highlight this harsh reality out of glee or malice.

    No it is evidence that race exists and egalitarian theories are actually destructive to society.

    We aren’t helping Blacks by telling them to pull up their pants and become software engineers. We also aren’t helping them by paying liberals billions of dollars to create an entire industry that blames Whites. Those billions could have gone towards jobs programs. Shaming Whites from a young age is a terrible idea. You aren’t fixing race and in fact are demoralizing people that could contribute to positive solutions.

    The liberal establishment has decided that race CANNOT EXIST and liberals will not move one inch from this position. They can’t imagine any other scenario. In their minds if we discuss this then Whites will start goose stepping down main street. Liberals are beta intellectuals at best and have a hard time understanding how there are very negative consequences to denying reality. Privately most liberals that have lived near Blacks will admit that it does in fact exist. So millions of liberals oppose talking about it even though they know full well they are dirty rotten liars.

  185. Alden says:
    @Newjoestalin

    Worst day in a black mon’s life is her kid’s 18th birthday . No more check. But there’s always fake disability.

  186. @TG

    Yes. This is one of big problems with the HBD-IQ-ist view of the world. It’s all been said here before, but you said it very well and it’s worth repeating.

    The HBDers like to aver that you’re never going to turn blacks into orderly, peaceful Swedes. Okay, and your point is what exactly? There are tens of millions of white Americans who you’ll never turn into orderly, peaceful Swedes, either. In fact, the number of people who fulfill that ideal are fairly limited in any country, including Sweden. As you said, there will always be a bottom.

    There are two possible responses to this that are a little more nuanced:

    1) “Yes, there will always be a bottom. That’s why nations should practice economic nationalism and protectionism, and move to curtail the unlimited power of oligarchs. They may be proles, but they’re our proles. We need to take care of our own.”

    2) “Yes, there will always be a bottom. But populations in which the bell curve is shifted more to the right and/or have fatter right-tail skews are going to do better on average than other nations. That’s why we need to do something about all these low-IQ people.”

    Now, I agree with the first response wholeheartedly. The second response is shakier and leads to a lot of unrealistic ideas. What are we going to “do” about low-IQ people? Stop immigration? Yes, I would support that, but that is already satisfied simply by fulfilling the conditions in the first response. Practice eugenics? I would not support that. Human beings are not wise enough to know whom should be culled, and it is hideously immoral and sinful to do so. Secede from the union? Not necessarily a bad idea, but it would do nothing to solve this problem. Deport blacks? Politically impossible and it will never happen. Race war? Don’t be ridiculous.

    The only realistic solution I can see is to restore the soundness of standards, particularly monetary and meritocratic standards. We need to completely stop Affirmative Action. We need to stop letting the government rack up huge deficits and redistribute largesse at their whim. And we need to stop letting the Federal Reserve monkey around with the currency. Stop all the welfare, handouts, carveouts, side deals, sweet deals, special pleading, and legacy grift. Make everybody play by the rules again and let the chips fall where they may.

    I think this is a solution that even normies could get behind. Nobody can argue against fairness unless they’re arguing for unfairness. Rational and moral people can claim the high ground here. Anybody who really cares about the country and is interested in finding politically plausible solutions should focus on this.

    • Replies: @Enzo the Baker
  187. @Peter Akuleyev

    Unfortunately educated black women tend as a group to be particularly unattractive to men.

    You must be talking about Jocelyn Elders, Bill Clinton’s Surgeon General.

  188. Alden says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you thank you thank you. So many of the MEN OF UNZ are completely ignorant of affirmative action. Maybe they are all 90 years old and got their first job in 1953 and stayed at that job till retirement. How can anyone in America not see how affirmative action affects everyone from the beneficiaries to the losers?

    Of course many of the MEN OF UNZ don’t know that it takes a man and a woman to make a baby. Endless discussions of fertility and never a mention of the fathers contribution to conception.

  189. @Peter Akuleyev

    I’m pretty sure that Condoleezza Rice could have been married if she had chosen such. In fact she supposedly was briefly engaged to Rick Upchurch of the Denver Broncos but then broke it off with him. It sounds more like she dumped him than the other way around. But Rice is the perfect example of the black woman who could have married into a professional status and bred several children but chose instead to make a childless career. I’m not one to hold that against her per se, but it does provide an example of this post’s point.

  190. JMcG says:
    @TG

    You have just made the case for what our host calls Citizenism. And made it very well. Thank you.

  191. Mike Tre says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You’re welcome.

    Oops, I thought you were talking about me for a second.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  192. Anon[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    From comment 143 over at “To vaxx or not to vaxx”, citing a virologist I was not aware of but who looks legit:

    “The WHO’s mass vaccination program has been installed in response to a public health emergency of international concern. As of the early days of the mass vaccination campaigns, at least a few experts have been warning against the catastrophic impact such a program could have on global and individual health. Mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic is prone to promoting selection and adaptation of immune escape variants that are featured by increasing infectiousness and resistance to spike protein (S)-directed antibodies (Abs), thereby diminishing protection in vaccinees and threatening the unvaccinated. This already explains why the WHO’s mass vaccination program is not only unable to generate herd immunity (HI) but even leads to substantial erosion of the population’s immune protective capacity. “

    • Thanks: res, The Anti-Gnostic
  193. @Anon

    There was an article a decade or so ago in Liberty magazine that argued with numbers convincingly that the Democrats had screwed themselves out of a majority through Black abortion.
    Puzzling.
    Surely they understand this.
    If one looks at their history, perhaps the cliche is true:
    Dems are the real racists.
    Look at what they do , not what they say.

  194. res says:
    @TG

    On average the Japanese have high IQs – but I guarantee you, the bottom 10% of the Japanese working class is about as dumb as American Blacks (are alleged to be).

    Let’s check that. You can download PISA 2015 math results at https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2015/xls/PISA2015_mathematics.xlsx
    There you see things like:

    The 10th percentile in Japan is 416 (Table M1b).
    About 10.7% of Japanese score below Level 2 (409.54, Table M2)
    (BTW, the two pieces of data above don’t quite line up, not sure what is going on there)

    US average black score 419 (Table M5).
    About 51% of US blacks score below Level 2 (Table M6).

    So your comparison holds up almost exactly for math. Thanks, I did not expect it would so I learned something. And the reading scores are even more favorable to your point.
    10th percentile Japan 391 (Table R1b) and US black average 443 (Table R5).

    As JMcG said, that is a good take on the case for Citizenism. Thanks.

    P.S. A simpler way to think about this (I should have done this and gotten my prior right) a 1 SD gap implies the median of one group matches the 16th percentile of the other. Matching the 10th percentile implies a gap of 1.3 SD.

  195. res says:
    @John Johnson

    I think your points are sound, but I don’t see how they contradict TG’s point. At the end of the day those blacks are in the country no matter what we do economically for them (well, welfare laws might make a difference in change over time).

    Roughly speaking I think the situation breaks down something like this.

    The top 10% of blacks (the “talented tenth”) can basically succeed in modern society. Though aggressive affirmative action means their positions and abilities tend to be mismatched now.

    The bottom 10% of blacks are a disaster area. They are responsible for the majority of black violence and other dysfunction. Both directly and through their influence on black culture.

    One can argue about exactly where those thresholds fall (on reflection, I would probably make them 20%), but the basic point is there is a substantial middle group. And if that group is left unemployed through competition with immigrants they pose a significant (arguably inflicted by our immigration policies) problem.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  196. @Anon

    Nope. YOur are misinformed. It is not educated black women who are committing the lion’s share of abortions, nor are they the reason for the higher abortion rates among black women. Those educated women with the forethought to attain graduate degrees use that same forthought and persistence to keep from getting pregnant in the first place. Birth control workd pretty well for people with the self-control and discipline to use it.

    The vast majority of abortions are had by single black mothers in depressed neighborhoods who don’t want more children, or at least don’t want to have a child by a particular man.

    There’s a reason why Planned Parenthood sets up shops outside of those neighborhoods and not outside the more middle class and upper middle class neighborhoods where the aforementioned educated black women tend to live.

  197. @Intelligent Dasein

    In 10 or so years, gene-editing could be the solution. Boost IQ, lower impulsiveness. Frame it like it’s lasik surgery. It doesn’t change who you are, it just makes you better. Crowd-source the funding of it, start with convicts that have release dates within 1-3 years; they get six months knocked off their sentence if they participate. Planned Parenthood rakes in millions in private donations each year, so could gene-editing. It would be a much more ethical, right-of-the-boom approach.

    • Replies: @Slimer
  198. @Mike Tre

    I enjoy what you write.

    I think you should effort-post more often (especially about trucking, logistics, and business culture), but I understand if you don’t have the time.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
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  199. Mike Tre says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Likewise, but thanks. I realize I’m usually just flippant, but you’re right, sometimes time doesn’t allow for a thoughtful reply. I also try to focus more on learning from the other commenters here instead of throwing out my often not so insightful 2 cents.

  200. Slimer says:
    @Enzo the Baker

    The reason Whites hate Blacks is because Africa is poor. It’s not about IQ, and it’s not about crime. IQ was debunked a long time ago, and the vast majority of Whites live in neighborhoods where everyone is White.

    The focus on American Blacks, the so-called 13%…the so-called Black problem,as Whites like to say… is a bit illusory. For whatever problems they pose, they’ve never prevented America from becoming a first world country. A superpower even.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  201. @res

    One can argue about exactly where those thresholds fall (on reflection, I would probably make them 20%), but the basic point is there is a substantial middle group. And if that group is left unemployed through competition with immigrants they pose a significant (arguably inflicted by our immigration policies) problem.

    I think there is a legitimate concern with Democrats putting immigration for the sake of votes above the economic best interest of Blacks. That is a very real problem that Blacks should be talking about.

    You are concerned with the middle. But what about your bottom 10%? I’m not convinced that the problems they cause are because of economics.

    Let’s say the middle had access to better jobs. Would the bottom 10% stop acting like thugs? I don’t think so. If you go to a Black area you see thugs showing off cars that middle class Whites can’t afford. This is where it doesn’t add up. Why is the problem a lack of union jobs or strict immigration control when there are Blacks with money that have zero interest in improving their communities? No one expects Black men to do anything about their community problems. No one. That is a harsh truth that few can face.

    Anyone can drive into a Black area and see this first hand. When Black men get into money they spend it on cars/women/gold jewlery/etc. It isn’t just a few Black men. It’s part of the culture.

    Do you see the problem here? There is an unspoken assumption that White people or the government needs to do something for working Blacks because no one seems to expect better from Black men even if they have money.

    I don’t know what the answer is but it certainly isn’t in blaming White people. You can go to political rallies where Black people blame the government for their problems and you will see 40k dollar cars drive by with 10k wheels. I saw a Black guy a few weeks ago in a convertible with a high end paint job that probably cost around 12k. His mufflers were probably about 3k. How did “the man” force him to get a paint job and mufflers instead of investing into his community? I’m just not getting it. It’s all just really stupid and doesn’t make any sense. We need to bring in fewer Mexicans so Blacks have better wages so they can spend more on paint jobs?? What?

    • Replies: @res
  202. @Slimer

    The focus on American Blacks, the so-called 13%…the so-called Black problem,as Whites like to say… is a bit illusory. For whatever problems they pose, they’ve never prevented America from becoming a first world country. A superpower even.

    Good Lord.

    Blacks have turned numerous formerly first world cities into third world favelas.

    White liberals have spent over a trillion trying to equalize the races and the government takes 1/3 of our income as part of its 1000 year plan to show that race doesn’t exist.

    but hey

    WE GOT THE NUKES AND A SPACE PROGRAM

    I guess we should just shrug and go back to watching friends re-runs

    Go ahead and shut it down Ron. This guy convinced me.

    • Replies: @Slimer
  203. Slimer says:
    @John Johnson

    Yuck, whites are obsessed with race. You’re like the Africans coming here to start “beefs” with other Blacks except, with whites it’s not tribe but race.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  204. @Slimer

    It’s the liberal establishment that is obsessed with race as they started this war by declaring that:
    1. Race doesn’t exist
    2. Government programs are needed to fix race.
    3. White people need to pay for these programs
    4. If these programs don’t work then White people are to blame

    White people aren’t allowed to live and let live.

    There was an article in the Post the other day celebrating our demise and telling us we deserve it.

    What do you expect White people to do?

    White people created modern society and now they are expected to submit their autonomy and heritage because they clearly must be holding back Blacks and Hispanics. Oh but keep paying that 1/3 to the government thanks. A few more programs should fix all this.

    I’ll stop posting about race when liberals stop their anti-White propaganda machine and accept that 70k years of racial isolation cannot be willed away.

  205. res says:
    @John Johnson

    I think there is a legitimate concern with Democrats putting immigration for the sake of votes above the economic best interest of Blacks. That is a very real problem that Blacks should be talking about.

    You are concerned with the middle. But what about your bottom 10%? I’m not convinced that the problems they cause are because of economics.

    Agreed with both of those statements.

    The bottom whatever percent is a difficult problem. Our prisons have maybe a couple percent of the men, but it is hard to say what to do about the rest.

    It’s just that I think improving the situation of the middle and hoping cultural influence extends downward (rather than the worst being role models) would help things immensely.

    I don’t know what the answer is but it certainly isn’t in blaming White people.

    Agreed. But I do think blaming white people who are pushing for more immigration is a reasonable PART of this.

  206. anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The word you are seeking is hypergamy. It is a feature in women of all races.

  207. anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I emphatically reject the notion that what’s in our brain is only and simply what experience has impressed upon us, like a die into soft wax, as Locke and other’s believed.

    To the best of my knowledge, John Locke never married, thus never had children. Apparently he was never around horse breeders or animal breeders. Therefore he never had his pure tabula rasa premise tested in any real way.

    False premise -> no meaningful conclusion.

    In the real world, the marshmallow test reveals quite a lot. We all take that test every day, too.

  208. Rooster11 says:
    @TG

    I believe there’s definitely validity to your point, thanks for the time to lay it out. The one factor that you’re not taking not consideration is genes. Blacks, for one reason or another, are much more violent on a personal level than any of the other races you mentioned. Of course the Japanese and Whites have had terrible wars with millions killed, but that was more a show of intelligence and creating effective weapons of war. Blacks have a very very tough time living in and maintaining a modern society. Don’t only use the US as an example, take a look at the global level too.

  209. Resartus says:

    Blacks, for one reason or another, are much more violent on a personal level than any of the other races you mentioned. Of course the Japanese and Whites have had terrible wars with millions killed,

    Leaving out the fact, Black on Black violence is mainly what fed the slave trade out of Africa…..
    Blacks should think about, if the norm for the time (killing off entire groups that lost) had been maintained, they wouldn’t have had an ancestor they could cry about being a slave…..

    So maybe blacks are doing their research and finding out their dna, breaking up into gangs due to that, reestablishing their tribes….

  210. @Steve Sailer

    If you’re looking for an article topic, the Hajnal line should be right up your street.
    (dunno what side of the line your house is though).

  211. Malcom X says:

    Short answer for those pressed for time.

    It’s because of White, anti-Black racism.

  212. @Mike1

    Laying a bead may be taught in 20 minutes, but understading the difference between tack welds, fillet welds and full penetration butt welds probably takes a while longer. To fully understand, you would need to understand the stresses in the steel members being attached and the purpose of the weld, and why all welds resist in shear.

  213. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    This is an important phenomena?

    Editing? Nah. Shut up and read.

  214. Malla says:
    @Gizmo

    For the past sixty years — three or even four generations — our society has been conducting a selective breeding experiment on the Black population. The members of that population who have the most offspring also tend to have the behavioral traits of aggressiveness, impulsivity, violence, lack of future planning … not to mention lower IQs. So there’s going to be more of those traits in the population in the future.

    Most ghetto women want the most violent, crazy black men to breed with. That is extreme feminism in action in a low IQ sense. That would move things towards dysgenics from a civilizational point of view. This would also push otherwise normal ghetto black men to act crazy and psycho too as that gets the pussy. And also decreases of chance of being disrespected. Basically the society moves towards lower possibility to run a civilization, at this rate not even a normal jungle tribe. For this phenomenon, the population is shielded upto some extent from extreme consequences (they do suffer some bad consequences as a result) as they have a technologically superior, financially well off civilization around them which supports them and shields them. Soon you have a situation that local strongmen rule the block, get the most respec, get da mos pussy and thus more offspring. And they have always to look out for ambitious strongmen trying to take their place.
    So it is a combination of dysgennics and a destructive culture thanks to the ((Cultural Marxist)) Culture Industry which promotes even more uncivilized behaviour as cool. If this process continues, they would not be even be able to form a tribe in some jungle, even that would be too civilized for them. That is because such extreme behavioral trajectory in the jungle would have led to immediate negative consequences, here they are bring shielded by the high tech civilization around them. That is why many jungle tribal societies have strict rules made by the elders with the most experience.

  215. There is always an exception and Charlie Parker, (today is his 101 birthday) is a huge one as he ended up being the greatest musical genius of the last century.

    AJM

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
  216. @R.G. Camara

    You do know that Palahniuk is gay, right?

  217. Considering that a large proportion of college degrees in the US are handed out like candy to non-whites for just showing up, a conclusion that could be made from this would be that for non-whites, the possession of a college degree does not necessary mean the holder is more intelligent than the average for their race.

  218. @Authenticjazzman

    If Charlie Parker was the greatest musical genius of the 20th century, then Basquat or Jackson Pollock were the greatest artistic geniuses of the 20th century.

  219. The question here being : Do you even grasp the sigificance of “Birds” ( Charlie Parker) musical creations?

    Have you ever listened to any of his magnificent solos (improvisations)?

    AJM

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