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One theory: NBA players tend to have an unfortunately high average rate of doing bad things to women in their free time. The NBA subsidizing the Women’s NBA helps buy off the lesbian feminist movement from complaining much about it.

 
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  1. Your theory is excellent, and it serves as a model for answering the question of why so many successful entities help keep so many terrible ideas from failing.

    • Agree: SteveRogers42
  2. NBA players tend to have an unfortunately high average rate of doing bad things to women in their free time.

    Reached for comment, NBA players responded: “What’s free time for anyway, white boy?”

  3. Yeah the WNBA sucks. Sophie Cunningham is a looker, though.

    Anyway, so Steve, any parting words regarding coronavirus? Scared on the upswing but silent on the downswing? Did you get your just deserts from throwing in with Team Pandemic? Is the looming recession going to be worth the marginal benefits? Or, are we just quietly sweeping this one under the rug?

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @zacie

    I've done informal polls about the WNBA...the result is that virtually no one even knows the name of their local WNBA team...and they aren't interested in finding out..

    , @Marty T
    @zacie

    I don't watch the WNBA (who does) but I remember Sophie from Missouri. If I randomly switched to one of her games I'd stick around for a while.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @zacie

    The overreactions to the Pandemic - both by the ridiculous antivaxxers and the ridiculous lockdown proponents - are easily explained by boredom. Prosperity has driven most people in the West crazy. They live meaningless lives and are desperate to be the heroes of their own internal movies.

    100 years ago this attitude helped bring us WWI. Today most lazy fat Westerners are too scared of war to do that so they become T ransright activists, march for BLM, decide Antifa is a serious threat to their rural town, vote for Trump, vote for Sanders,

  4. Its simple: dumb boomers were incredibly wrong about corporations just wanting to maximize profits. They simply hate us and Do. Not. Care. if trannies are bad marketing for Gillette razors or if people hate an all-ugly female remake of Ghostbusters or if nobody wants a black Wonder Years or a women’s basketball league shoved down their throats.

    Economics textbook, muh free market, hurrrr durrr, chuckle smirk. Wait until those college hippies enter the real world and have to pay taxes, hurrr durrr.

    This is why moronic boomercons lost the country. They were never in the fight.

    • Agree: AndrewR, Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Whereismyhandle

    The evidence is overwhelming that the civil rights era and it's socio-legal successor movements were a public-private partnership. One thing the Boomers got way wrong was in attacking provincial localized institutions that are much more conservative than big corporations. E
    G. churches, local charities, local law enforcement, local civic groups etc. By mindlessly attacking all forms of authority and tradition, they grievously weakened small localized institutions and enabled the growth and power of big government and big business.

    And yes, corporate America never gave a damn about family values or tradition.

    , @stillCARealist
    @Whereismyhandle

    If the corporate world really wanted to make money they'd be patriotic and socially conservative. Would it alienate commies? sure, but they just want to drink from their own wells. The vast middle would be quickly drawn to the right as they start seeing wholesome images and ideals again.

    Of course, saying "again" isn't necessarily accurate as I believe the media has always pushed the envelope towards degeneracy. But so many millions of parents would love to see more of the culture on our side, rather than actively fighting to undermine our children's character development.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Sebastian Hawks
    @Whereismyhandle

    I've got the answer for you...four scrabble tiles worth 14 points if you catch my drift.

    , @bomag
    @Whereismyhandle

    I could agree.

    But considering the two schools of Karl Marx vs. Thorstein Veblem, the power of conspicuous consumption looks to be greater than the power of the lower classes redistributing the income flow from modern wealth generating enterprises.

    , @Matttt
    @Whereismyhandle

    Razors, I think, are a special case. They're not interchangeable. I've been using the same type of disposable razor since I was a teenager. I've tried others over the years, but they invariably don't work as well. I can tell you exactly what they look like, but I'm not sure what brand makes them. It's probably Gillette.

    If they kept the razors exactly the same, but only marketed them to transgenders, I'd probably still buy them. Getting a clean shave and avoiding nicks and razor burn is more important to me than obnoxious advertisements.

  5. I don’t get the video. Are they jammed into these trucks and driven down the street as a celebratory parade?
    Really?
    These are the champs?
    Or does anyone care.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Currahee

    The video is the answer to the question: What if they gave a parade and no one showed up?

    Replies: @36 ulster

  6. I’ve for a while thought it is, boringly (prefer Reg’s meme), monopoly moat preservation.

  7. “Why does Rice play Texas?”

  8. anon[375] • Disclaimer says:

    All it takes is one star to connect with the public to make WNBA revenues explode. Women’s MMA was a joke and than a few years later Ronda Rousey fights were pulling in \$100 million in revenue each.

    \$10 million in losses a year to keep the lights on waiting for someone to break through isn’t an an obviously bad bet to me.

    • Disagree: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    There's an obvious fetishistic, carnival, and freak show aspect to watching 2 women beat each other up, so there's a larger natural and potential audience for women's MMA than there is for women's basketball. Ultimately, nobody watches women's MMA for the fighting skill. They watch it for the other more perverse aspects.

    But there's no fetishistic, freak show aspect to watching women try to play basketball. Women's deficiencies in coordination relative to men are so glaringly apparent in basketball where you have to coordinate multiple movements simultaneously like dribbling and running but there's no freakish payoff like in women's MMA.

    Replies: @Hirflawdd, @Pericles, @stillCARealist, @Odin

    , @Anon7
    @anon

    Point well taken. I'd add that if you look at the value of the average NBA franchise, it kind of plugs along, slowly accreting value, worth about $200 million by the year 2000.

    Then all of a sudden, from 2012 to the present, the value of an average NBA franchise goes from about $400 million in 2013 to $2.1 billion in 2020.

    Why the increase? What happened? There are very few properties - thirty NBA teams. If you look at "owners" it's a big ego purchase.

    And there was real money. A big contract for TV rights and globalization of the game. Also, franchises are apparently an excellent tax shelter.

    Note that five of the twelve WNBA teams are owned by NBA owners.

    , @PaceLaw
    @anon

    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @anon, @TWS, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Boo Alcindor

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @anon

    ThreeSevenFive, ESPN and SI proclaimed Rousey to be the greatest female athlete of all time. They had a hidden agenda in promoting a fighter with maybe ten fights, in a sport where no one pushes their daughters. She stepped into the ring with two better fighters in succession and got her lights turned out. Now she is a carnival act in wrestling.

    , @Forbes
    @anon

    Most of the NBA owners acquired their teams, either with OPM (other peoples' money), like the Dolans with the Knicks (super-voting shares in corporate equity) or with lottery-like windfalls (e.g., Steve Balmer, the late Paul Allen, Mark Cuban), while ownership is a vanity project (as in an exclusive club) where control of the asset is the higher priority as compared to annual profitability.

    Ownership is a franchise in a monopoly business operated by the NBA. Irrespective of what one believes about sport, or basketball, franchise values have dramatically increased over time. Whether this continues is a speculation--but at a very low cost to the current owners.

    The subsidy cost of the WNBA is simply a PR and marketing cost to the respective NBA franchise for local goodwill.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @Cowtown Rebel
    @anon

    I've stated this on other posts, but it bears repeating here. I STOPPED watching MMA when the Women began to get involved.

    I can't speak for Men who would rather watch Negroes Play with Their Balls than White Cheerleaders perform their routines, but, personally, I am averse to Women with cauliflower ears, crooked noses and missing teeth.

    Lesbians with Cornrows? FUGLY!!!

    The Women's Sports that I occasionally find myself watching include Ice Skating and Gymnastics; sports that accentuate grace and the feminine form.

    Also, why do the Female Teams have Female Cheerleaders? That seems awfully Lesbianesque to me.

  9. The liberal Jews who have run the NBA seem like they are sincerely committed to subsidizing the WNBA almost solely for the enjoyment of lesbians. They get ESPN to overpay for the TV rights so I don’t think it loses quite as much money as it should. One of the Chicago newspapers has some pictures from the post parade rally, I would estimate they had a little over 500 people there. The mayor was there she has been a season ticket holder since 2006.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Barnard

    Where did the WNBA victory parade in Chicago go? Past that lesbian Swedish pancake house on Foster in Andersonville?

    Replies: @Pericles, @Barnard, @Ganderson, @ArthurBiggs

    , @AnotherDad
    @Barnard


    The liberal Jews who have run the NBA seem like they are sincerely committed to subsidizing the WNBA almost solely for the enjoyment of lesbians.
     
    My guess is on average, successfully business guys who like sports and most enjoy--or enjoyed--playing basketball. (I guarded one of them in a pickup game.) But they aren't--or weren't--necessarily as clued into to what ordinary people--and especially the professional basketball audience--actually think and like. And then there's the explicit commitment to minoritarianism and "doing the right thing".

    Now, even if they did not feel like continuing they are a bit stuck. It would get them all sorts of bad "anti-woman" press they don't want. Though my guess is that there would be a big furor, but then that would die down and be a non-issue in short order.

    It's kind of a lesson in not tying something successful to something that's a potential boat anchor. If the league was on its own it would just fold up without a lot of recrimination.


    But the bottom line here: it's kept alive for "social justice"--i.e. the owners' desire to virtue signal as good, progressive people "doing the right thing".

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    , @G. Poulin
    @Barnard

    Yes, the mayor was there, along with most of the ruling class in Chicago. No no one else gave a shit, obviously. Dykes are their only market.

  10. Probably as cover for a litany of sins – bad player behavior, snuggling up to China, the huge cost to taxpayers for arenas that don’t see a ton of use other than NBA games, etc. Not sure lesbian feminists are too worked up about players banging their way through the dance squad, but to the extent they do, giving them a bunch of young female athletes to watch I guess is as good a distraction as any.

  11. They are leveraging facilities and personnel during the offseason that they otherwise couldn’t and getting good publicity for being “progressive.”

    But I think they hope to make a profit some day.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @JLK

    Wouldn’t bikini basketball be a better bet?

    Replies: @Corn

  12. The media went overboard covering the Sky victory celebration. A bunch of women who look like Scottie Pippen.

  13. One theory: NBA players tend to have an unfortunately high average rate of doing bad things to women in their free time. The NBA subsidizing the Women’s NBA helps buy off the lesbian feminist movement from complaining much about it.

    Nah.

    The lesbian feminist movement doesn’t give a shit about starfuckers, any more than it gives a shit about pole-dancers.

    To laboriously reframe the koan:

    If a starfucker gets slapped by a sportsball player but the night ends with the sportsball player getting a blowjob, does anybody care about the slap?

    Also: credit where it’s due – the lesbian feminist movement is self-aware enough to know that the poontang in the ‘starfucker/pole-dancer’ space is well out of the lesbian-feminist league.

    SO

    Another theory: there is a bucket of money (or tax credits, or something) into which the NBA’s money guys can put their tentacles, if the NBA pretends to give a shit about a few women being paid to play basketball at a Junior-High level.

    That’s certainly the reason why AFL (Australian Football League) and cricket now have teams of women playing the sport ‘professionally’ despite having skills that are objectively inferior to under-15 boys.

    It’s also why people have to pretend to be amazed when the best woman runs a 5k in a time that would result losing to the best man by more than an entire lap of an Olympic running track. 12:35 vs 14:06 – the best woman in the world is barely running fast enough to win a pre-WWII all-comers 5k… and would get beaten by half a minute by the fastest US high school kid.

    • Agree: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Truth
    @Kratoklastes


    the best woman in the world is barely running fast enough to win a pre-WWII all-comers 5k… and would get beaten by half a minute by the fastest US high school kid.
     
    Are you one of these liberals who feels that women should compete with men?

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

  14. @Barnard
    The liberal Jews who have run the NBA seem like they are sincerely committed to subsidizing the WNBA almost solely for the enjoyment of lesbians. They get ESPN to overpay for the TV rights so I don't think it loses quite as much money as it should. One of the Chicago newspapers has some pictures from the post parade rally, I would estimate they had a little over 500 people there. The mayor was there she has been a season ticket holder since 2006.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @G. Poulin

    Where did the WNBA victory parade in Chicago go? Past that lesbian Swedish pancake house on Foster in Andersonville?

    • LOL: lavoisier
    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Steve Sailer

    Right up to the home of Mayor Groot, where demure celebrations were continued in the basement rumpus room.

    , @Barnard
    @Steve Sailer

    According to this article they ended up in Millennium Park. Whatever amphitheater they have there was clearly not at capacity.

    https://wgntv.com/sports/chicago-sky/chicago-sky-celebration-to-kick-off-tuesday-morning/

    Replies: @Up2Drew

    , @Ganderson
    @Steve Sailer

    I don’t think it’s there anymore; and the Ann Sather on Clark just north of Foster has been closed for awhile- to get those scrumptious cinnamon buns you have to go south to Belmont, just west of Clark; unless the Corona-chan scandal has done that location in as well.

    For obvious reasons I have a soft spot for Andersonville.

    , @ArthurBiggs
    @Steve Sailer

    It looks like it was a 2-3 mile parade route from McCormick Place to Millennium Park. They couldn't even get people out on a beautiful day to make that short distance look like there was at least some level of support.

  15. Anonymous[587] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    All it takes is one star to connect with the public to make WNBA revenues explode. Women's MMA was a joke and than a few years later Ronda Rousey fights were pulling in $100 million in revenue each.

    $10 million in losses a year to keep the lights on waiting for someone to break through isn't an an obviously bad bet to me.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon7, @PaceLaw, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Cowtown Rebel

    There’s an obvious fetishistic, carnival, and freak show aspect to watching 2 women beat each other up, so there’s a larger natural and potential audience for women’s MMA than there is for women’s basketball. Ultimately, nobody watches women’s MMA for the fighting skill. They watch it for the other more perverse aspects.

    But there’s no fetishistic, freak show aspect to watching women try to play basketball. Women’s deficiencies in coordination relative to men are so glaringly apparent in basketball where you have to coordinate multiple movements simultaneously like dribbling and running but there’s no freakish payoff like in women’s MMA.

    • Replies: @Hirflawdd
    @Anonymous

    Speak for yourself, Valentina Shevchenko is one of the most skilled fighters in the UFC. What the females lack is power not skill, but that goes for the lighter weights in general.

    Replies: @pyrrhus

    , @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    Well, I have to agree with you on this one, Anonymous 587. The somewhat more benign viewers would really be satisfied with a rousing jell-o wrestle tournament, while the weirdos want to see women beating each other bloody or unconscious in a rather unnatural way.

    As for team sports, as another data point, our Swedish government TV has been trying to meme women's soccer into popularity (because they can't afford the broadcast rights for men's soccer) but whatever mild enthusiasm can be detected seems limited to desperate free content consumers.

    , @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous

    women's basketball is much more fun to play than to watch.

    MMA at any level is much more fun to watch than to play.

    , @Odin
    @Anonymous


    ...basketball, where you have to coordinate multiple movements simultaneously like dribbling and running
     
    Reportedly, simultaneous dribbling and running is no longer required in the men's game either. Traveling is OK if you're a certified star.
  16. When my local high school won the state championship in football their parade was better attended.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @ScarletNumber


    When my local high school won the state championship in football their parade was better attended.

     

    That was before social distancing.
    , @Beach Jim
    @ScarletNumber

    My son's high school soccer team won the state championship this past school year and it was better attended even with social distancing and all the rest.

  17. It’s what comes after UCONN, baby!


    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, I watch Uconn on YES TV. Amazing coaching.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  18. The NBA subsidizing the Women’s NBA helps buy off the lesbian feminist movement from complaining much about it.

    Money well spent! In related news, it appears that Neflix’s CEO just realized that it should have followed suit by creating a separate angry tranny channel.

    “What I should have led with in those emails was humanity. I should have recognized the fact that a group of our employees was really hurting,” Sarandos said in a Tuesday interview, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    He walked back comments he had made that said content was not responsible for harm in the real world, saying “To be clear, storytelling has an impact in the real world… sometimes quite negative.”

    * * *

    They also wanted more hiring of trans and non-binary people to executive positions, and want the company to add disclaimers to content “that specifically flag transphobic language, misogyny, homophobia, hate speech, etc. as required,” according to NPR.

    Sarandos also touted Netflix’s record of providing an extensive amount of content for LGBTQ+ viewers, and he said that he was “firmly committed to continue to support artistic freedom for the creators who work with Netflix and increase representation behind the screen and on camera.” These goals can sometimes be in conflict, he added, noting that “We have to figure out how to navigate those challenges.”

    https://thepostmillennial.com/netflix-ceo-caves-screwed-up-backlash-chappelle/

    This is a pretty bad cucking as Netflix seemed to be getting the best of the PR battle. But now it inexplicably caves to a half dozen tranny employees and promises to police movies to make sure they don’t cause “harm” in the real world. Jeez. This Sarandos guy is the world’s biggest p***y.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Hypnotoad666


    This is a pretty bad cucking as Netflix seemed to be getting the best of the PR battle. But now it inexplicably caves to a half dozen tranny employees and promises to police movies to make sure they don’t cause “harm” in the real world. Jeez. This Sarandos guy is the world’s biggest p***y.
     
    Did anyone think this wouldn't play out any other way? I remember just a day or two ago people were praising Netflix for not caving into the woke mob. I stopped getting Netflix a year or two ago not only because they were woke as fuck in their programming but damn, there just wasn't anything good to watch. (Yes, I do realize that one dovetails the other.)
    , @West reanimator
    @Hypnotoad666


    This is a pretty bad cucking as Netflix seemed to be getting the best of the PR battle. But now it inexplicably caves to a half dozen tranny employees and promises to police movies to make sure they don’t cause “harm” in the real world. Jeez. This Sarandos guy is the world’s biggest p***
     
    Is it really "cucking" and "caving" when all the Netflix execs are shitlibs themselves? They actually believe this stuff.

    That guy Sarandos is married to an ugly black woman, lik Deblasio and deniro... Lol
  19. Y’all don’t get it. Why would the mayor of Chicago go to a WNBA game unless the WNBA figured out police-postdating societal control technologies? Why,

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @J.Ross

    Why would the mayor of Chicago go to a WNBA game unless the WNBA figured out police-postdating societal control technologies? Why,

    Lesbian solidarity?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  20. @anon
    All it takes is one star to connect with the public to make WNBA revenues explode. Women's MMA was a joke and than a few years later Ronda Rousey fights were pulling in $100 million in revenue each.

    $10 million in losses a year to keep the lights on waiting for someone to break through isn't an an obviously bad bet to me.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon7, @PaceLaw, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Cowtown Rebel

    Point well taken. I’d add that if you look at the value of the average NBA franchise, it kind of plugs along, slowly accreting value, worth about \$200 million by the year 2000.

    Then all of a sudden, from 2012 to the present, the value of an average NBA franchise goes from about \$400 million in 2013 to \$2.1 billion in 2020.

    Why the increase? What happened? There are very few properties – thirty NBA teams. If you look at “owners” it’s a big ego purchase.

    And there was real money. A big contract for TV rights and globalization of the game. Also, franchises are apparently an excellent tax shelter.

    Note that five of the twelve WNBA teams are owned by NBA owners.

  21. lesbian feminist movement

    The power of the lesbian feminist movement: You don’t want that crashing down on you. It would be an existential crisis for the NBA. 😉?

  22. @Barnard
    The liberal Jews who have run the NBA seem like they are sincerely committed to subsidizing the WNBA almost solely for the enjoyment of lesbians. They get ESPN to overpay for the TV rights so I don't think it loses quite as much money as it should. One of the Chicago newspapers has some pictures from the post parade rally, I would estimate they had a little over 500 people there. The mayor was there she has been a season ticket holder since 2006.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @G. Poulin

    The liberal Jews who have run the NBA seem like they are sincerely committed to subsidizing the WNBA almost solely for the enjoyment of lesbians.

    My guess is on average, successfully business guys who like sports and most enjoy–or enjoyed–playing basketball. (I guarded one of them in a pickup game.) But they aren’t–or weren’t–necessarily as clued into to what ordinary people–and especially the professional basketball audience–actually think and like. And then there’s the explicit commitment to minoritarianism and “doing the right thing”.

    Now, even if they did not feel like continuing they are a bit stuck. It would get them all sorts of bad “anti-woman” press they don’t want. Though my guess is that there would be a big furor, but then that would die down and be a non-issue in short order.

    It’s kind of a lesson in not tying something successful to something that’s a potential boat anchor. If the league was on its own it would just fold up without a lot of recrimination.

    But the bottom line here: it’s kept alive for “social justice”–i.e. the owners’ desire to virtue signal as good, progressive people “doing the right thing”.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @AnotherDad

    Well said. Major sports leagues, just like damn-near all big corporations, are totally devoted to the cult of progressive liberalism, which means they must virtue signal by doing performative acts such as supporting Black Lives Matter and subsidizing the WNBA. The amount of money devoted to organizations such as these really amounts only to a pittance compared to the perceived prestige of being on the right side of history. Or not . . .

    Replies: @LondonBob

  23. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    I’ve just returned from the alternate universe of the Jewish media, and I’ve learned that a prominent comedian named Dave Chapelle recently had a stand-up special on Netflix in which he presented a bigoted routine.

    The subject: “Space Jews.”

    The is no mention at all of any other potential objections to the special.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Anon

    This is a major dog that didn't bark, but I'm sure everybody on all sides will ignore it.

  24. @Hypnotoad666

    The NBA subsidizing the Women’s NBA helps buy off the lesbian feminist movement from complaining much about it.
     
    Money well spent! In related news, it appears that Neflix's CEO just realized that it should have followed suit by creating a separate angry tranny channel.

    "What I should have led with in those emails was humanity. I should have recognized the fact that a group of our employees was really hurting," Sarandos said in a Tuesday interview, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    He walked back comments he had made that said content was not responsible for harm in the real world, saying "To be clear, storytelling has an impact in the real world... sometimes quite negative."

    * * *

    They also wanted more hiring of trans and non-binary people to executive positions, and want the company to add disclaimers to content "that specifically flag transphobic language, misogyny, homophobia, hate speech, etc. as required," according to NPR.

    Sarandos also touted Netflix's record of providing an extensive amount of content for LGBTQ+ viewers, and he said that he was "firmly committed to continue to support artistic freedom for the creators who work with Netflix and increase representation behind the screen and on camera." These goals can sometimes be in conflict, he added, noting that "We have to figure out how to navigate those challenges."

    https://thepostmillennial.com/netflix-ceo-caves-screwed-up-backlash-chappelle/
     

    This is a pretty bad cucking as Netflix seemed to be getting the best of the PR battle. But now it inexplicably caves to a half dozen tranny employees and promises to police movies to make sure they don't cause "harm" in the real world. Jeez. This Sarandos guy is the world's biggest p***y.

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @West reanimator

    This is a pretty bad cucking as Netflix seemed to be getting the best of the PR battle. But now it inexplicably caves to a half dozen tranny employees and promises to police movies to make sure they don’t cause “harm” in the real world. Jeez. This Sarandos guy is the world’s biggest p***y.

    Did anyone think this wouldn’t play out any other way? I remember just a day or two ago people were praising Netflix for not caving into the woke mob. I stopped getting Netflix a year or two ago not only because they were woke as fuck in their programming but damn, there just wasn’t anything good to watch. (Yes, I do realize that one dovetails the other.)

  25. In other news, John Hinckley is on Twitter. Yes, THAT John Hinckley, the one who is a fan of Jodie Foster and became famous 40 years ago.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @ScarletNumber

    Replies full of communists unironically praising him.

    , @Cortes
    @ScarletNumber

    Imagine that!

    , @SteveRogers42
    @ScarletNumber

    Jodie Foster...WNBA...I think I see what you did there.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @Curle
    @ScarletNumber

    Does he say anything about the Bushes?

  26. @ScarletNumber
    When my local high school won the state championship in football their parade was better attended.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Beach Jim

    When my local high school won the state championship in football their parade was better attended.

    That was before social distancing.

  27. @Anonymous
    @anon

    There's an obvious fetishistic, carnival, and freak show aspect to watching 2 women beat each other up, so there's a larger natural and potential audience for women's MMA than there is for women's basketball. Ultimately, nobody watches women's MMA for the fighting skill. They watch it for the other more perverse aspects.

    But there's no fetishistic, freak show aspect to watching women try to play basketball. Women's deficiencies in coordination relative to men are so glaringly apparent in basketball where you have to coordinate multiple movements simultaneously like dribbling and running but there's no freakish payoff like in women's MMA.

    Replies: @Hirflawdd, @Pericles, @stillCARealist, @Odin

    Speak for yourself, Valentina Shevchenko is one of the most skilled fighters in the UFC. What the females lack is power not skill, but that goes for the lighter weights in general.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @Hirflawdd

    No, women have slower reflexes than men, it's evolution...that's why if you spar with them, you can't go full bore or they will get hurt...,

  28. @Steve Sailer
    @Barnard

    Where did the WNBA victory parade in Chicago go? Past that lesbian Swedish pancake house on Foster in Andersonville?

    Replies: @Pericles, @Barnard, @Ganderson, @ArthurBiggs

    Right up to the home of Mayor Groot, where demure celebrations were continued in the basement rumpus room.

  29. @AnotherDad
    @Barnard


    The liberal Jews who have run the NBA seem like they are sincerely committed to subsidizing the WNBA almost solely for the enjoyment of lesbians.
     
    My guess is on average, successfully business guys who like sports and most enjoy--or enjoyed--playing basketball. (I guarded one of them in a pickup game.) But they aren't--or weren't--necessarily as clued into to what ordinary people--and especially the professional basketball audience--actually think and like. And then there's the explicit commitment to minoritarianism and "doing the right thing".

    Now, even if they did not feel like continuing they are a bit stuck. It would get them all sorts of bad "anti-woman" press they don't want. Though my guess is that there would be a big furor, but then that would die down and be a non-issue in short order.

    It's kind of a lesson in not tying something successful to something that's a potential boat anchor. If the league was on its own it would just fold up without a lot of recrimination.


    But the bottom line here: it's kept alive for "social justice"--i.e. the owners' desire to virtue signal as good, progressive people "doing the right thing".

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    Well said. Major sports leagues, just like damn-near all big corporations, are totally devoted to the cult of progressive liberalism, which means they must virtue signal by doing performative acts such as supporting Black Lives Matter and subsidizing the WNBA. The amount of money devoted to organizations such as these really amounts only to a pittance compared to the perceived prestige of being on the right side of history. Or not . . .

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @PaceLaw

    Should note wokery invaded British football when Comcast bought Sky, the primary broadcaster, from Fox back in 2018.

  30. @Anonymous
    @anon

    There's an obvious fetishistic, carnival, and freak show aspect to watching 2 women beat each other up, so there's a larger natural and potential audience for women's MMA than there is for women's basketball. Ultimately, nobody watches women's MMA for the fighting skill. They watch it for the other more perverse aspects.

    But there's no fetishistic, freak show aspect to watching women try to play basketball. Women's deficiencies in coordination relative to men are so glaringly apparent in basketball where you have to coordinate multiple movements simultaneously like dribbling and running but there's no freakish payoff like in women's MMA.

    Replies: @Hirflawdd, @Pericles, @stillCARealist, @Odin

    Well, I have to agree with you on this one, Anonymous 587. The somewhat more benign viewers would really be satisfied with a rousing jell-o wrestle tournament, while the weirdos want to see women beating each other bloody or unconscious in a rather unnatural way.

    As for team sports, as another data point, our Swedish government TV has been trying to meme women’s soccer into popularity (because they can’t afford the broadcast rights for men’s soccer) but whatever mild enthusiasm can be detected seems limited to desperate free content consumers.

  31. They have been pushing women’s football so hard here in Britain for the past few years, even though there is no appetite for it. There is no hidden motive, it is just the media and advertising executives being hardcore lefty activists pushing minoritarianism, all ideology.

    • Agree: West reanimator
    • Replies: @Hirflawdd
    @LondonBob

    Women's soccer is pretty abysmal - maybe they lack the power to exploit the long ball, women's sevens rugby is exciting though, as is tennis.

    Replies: @aleksander

    , @Cortes
    @LondonBob

    Agreed. I’m expecting a major push for “double header” matches soon, with women’s games tied to blockbuster men’s games. The big London or NW derbies are probably the targets where the TV audience is guaranteed to be huge and broadcasting opens at the start of the second half of the women’s game as spectators arrive for the real thing. They couldn’t have the men first because there’d be a mass exodus from the stadium which might raise some awkward questions.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @LondonBob


    They have been pushing women’s football so hard here in Britain for the past few years, even though there is no appetite for it. There is no hidden motive, it is just the media and advertising executives being hardcore lefty activists pushing minoritarianism, all ideology.
     
    I think at this point given the example of the U.S. Women's team, the lefty media executives would like to create a more prominent platform for homely lesbians to hector the British people.
    , @Bill Jones
    @LondonBob

    A bigger issue than the women's football thing in the UK is the never ending high pitched whine about racism. Now renamed from the original BLM because someone pointed out that that was a terrorist group responsible for 7 dead cops in Dallas? ( some Texas, town) and the embarrassment of having a plane fly a "White Lives Matter" banner over a game and the police actually investigating to see what laws were broken- answer none, but I'm sure they'll fix that.
    My own belief, other than sheer wokel shit-housery is that it hides the bubbling noise of the sexual abuse of young boys in the game as rampant as anywhere in the UK among the establishment sodomites.

    , @Curle
    @LondonBob

    What’s not to like?













    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_6hYaqbhbiA/WMrRojh8_cI/AAAAAAAAAgE/ql6AoTOHAW8hN6FvyzWTSzKarO-vBLiUwCLcB/s1600/1024x1024.jpg

  32. O/T

    With the new Superbisexual Man, that cover takes on a whole new meaning.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Pericles

    The building in that illustration sure looks like the Empire State Building (constructed 1930-1931) and not Cleveland's Terminal Tower (constructed 1923-1930) which one assumes we are talking about:


    https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w728-h425-c728x425/upload/64/35/0c/640px-tower-city.jpg

    This was the second tallest building in the world when it was completed. The skyscraper boom of that period produced a lot of buildings of this type.

    For example, Los Angeles City Hall, completed in 1928:


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/LosAngelesCityHall1931.JPG

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  33. @Hypnotoad666

    The NBA subsidizing the Women’s NBA helps buy off the lesbian feminist movement from complaining much about it.
     
    Money well spent! In related news, it appears that Neflix's CEO just realized that it should have followed suit by creating a separate angry tranny channel.

    "What I should have led with in those emails was humanity. I should have recognized the fact that a group of our employees was really hurting," Sarandos said in a Tuesday interview, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    He walked back comments he had made that said content was not responsible for harm in the real world, saying "To be clear, storytelling has an impact in the real world... sometimes quite negative."

    * * *

    They also wanted more hiring of trans and non-binary people to executive positions, and want the company to add disclaimers to content "that specifically flag transphobic language, misogyny, homophobia, hate speech, etc. as required," according to NPR.

    Sarandos also touted Netflix's record of providing an extensive amount of content for LGBTQ+ viewers, and he said that he was "firmly committed to continue to support artistic freedom for the creators who work with Netflix and increase representation behind the screen and on camera." These goals can sometimes be in conflict, he added, noting that "We have to figure out how to navigate those challenges."

    https://thepostmillennial.com/netflix-ceo-caves-screwed-up-backlash-chappelle/
     

    This is a pretty bad cucking as Netflix seemed to be getting the best of the PR battle. But now it inexplicably caves to a half dozen tranny employees and promises to police movies to make sure they don't cause "harm" in the real world. Jeez. This Sarandos guy is the world's biggest p***y.

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @West reanimator

    This is a pretty bad cucking as Netflix seemed to be getting the best of the PR battle. But now it inexplicably caves to a half dozen tranny employees and promises to police movies to make sure they don’t cause “harm” in the real world. Jeez. This Sarandos guy is the world’s biggest p***

    Is it really “cucking” and “caving” when all the Netflix execs are shitlibs themselves? They actually believe this stuff.

    That guy Sarandos is married to an ugly black woman, lik Deblasio and deniro… Lol

  34. @anon
    All it takes is one star to connect with the public to make WNBA revenues explode. Women's MMA was a joke and than a few years later Ronda Rousey fights were pulling in $100 million in revenue each.

    $10 million in losses a year to keep the lights on waiting for someone to break through isn't an an obviously bad bet to me.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon7, @PaceLaw, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Cowtown Rebel

    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.

    • Agree: Unladen Swallow
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @PaceLaw

    The MMA female + it division may get a second wind as a focal point for the civil rights of trans women to beat bio women to death politics brouhaha.

    Are there any budding trans women WNBA competitors in the pipeline?

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    , @anon
    @PaceLaw

    That Paige girl for UConn (college player of year as freshman I think last year) looks like she could be a break-out star. Feminine looking, talented, and rather well-spoken too.

    , @TWS
    @PaceLaw

    Rousey was genuinely good for a woman. Any given college wrestler could of manhandled her easily.

    She was hyped because she could "beat a male contender", according to Joe Rogan.

    Rogan is an entertainer. He is also knowledgeable about the fight game. I think he always knew most of what he said was hype. She got her ass handed to her by Holm.

    I don't mind teaching women to fight and defend themselves but female bloodsports are degenerate

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    , @anon
    @PaceLaw

    Lexie Brown is hot. She can definitely attract an NBA player

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @PaceLaw


    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.
     
    The sweet spot for women's sports to be marketable is a game populated by somewhat pretty, photogenic, feminine, and wholesome girls who seem like they have good relationships with their fathers and will become happy upper middle class wives and mothers rather soon. This is essentially the formula which would attract white upper middle class fathers and daughters, where the fathers are looking for social outlets to keep their daughters off of drugs and from becoming boy crazy cum teen mothers.

    But female sports attracts butch lesbians like moths to the flame, and their more aggressive personalities seem to take over the culture of these institutions rather quickly. And of course in this age you can't ask Alphabet people to tone down their act when the organizing principle of their identity at this point is exhibitionist PRIDE! So these women's sports leagues crumble one after the next, turning from a plausible middle class consumer entertainment product into a pastime near exclusively for aggressive butch lesbians.

    Replies: @Marty T, @John Johnson, @SteveRogers42

    , @Boo Alcindor
    @PaceLaw

    Women ballplayers can't create their own shots. Hence, no breakout stars.

  35. @Barnard
    The liberal Jews who have run the NBA seem like they are sincerely committed to subsidizing the WNBA almost solely for the enjoyment of lesbians. They get ESPN to overpay for the TV rights so I don't think it loses quite as much money as it should. One of the Chicago newspapers has some pictures from the post parade rally, I would estimate they had a little over 500 people there. The mayor was there she has been a season ticket holder since 2006.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @G. Poulin

    Yes, the mayor was there, along with most of the ruling class in Chicago. No no one else gave a shit, obviously. Dykes are their only market.

  36. @Whereismyhandle
    Its simple: dumb boomers were incredibly wrong about corporations just wanting to maximize profits. They simply hate us and Do. Not. Care. if trannies are bad marketing for Gillette razors or if people hate an all-ugly female remake of Ghostbusters or if nobody wants a black Wonder Years or a women's basketball league shoved down their throats.

    Economics textbook, muh free market, hurrrr durrr, chuckle smirk. Wait until those college hippies enter the real world and have to pay taxes, hurrr durrr.

    This is why moronic boomercons lost the country. They were never in the fight.

    Replies: @Feryl, @stillCARealist, @Sebastian Hawks, @bomag, @Matttt

    The evidence is overwhelming that the civil rights era and it’s socio-legal successor movements were a public-private partnership. One thing the Boomers got way wrong was in attacking provincial localized institutions that are much more conservative than big corporations. E
    G. churches, local charities, local law enforcement, local civic groups etc. By mindlessly attacking all forms of authority and tradition, they grievously weakened small localized institutions and enabled the growth and power of big government and big business.

    And yes, corporate America never gave a damn about family values or tradition.

  37. @Anon
    OT

    I've just returned from the alternate universe of the Jewish media, and I've learned that a prominent comedian named Dave Chapelle recently had a stand-up special on Netflix in which he presented a bigoted routine.

    The subject: "Space Jews."

    The is no mention at all of any other potential objections to the special.

    Replies: @IHTG

    This is a major dog that didn’t bark, but I’m sure everybody on all sides will ignore it.

  38. @LondonBob
    They have been pushing women's football so hard here in Britain for the past few years, even though there is no appetite for it. There is no hidden motive, it is just the media and advertising executives being hardcore lefty activists pushing minoritarianism, all ideology.

    Replies: @Hirflawdd, @Cortes, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Bill Jones, @Curle

    Women’s soccer is pretty abysmal – maybe they lack the power to exploit the long ball, women’s sevens rugby is exciting though, as is tennis.

    • Replies: @aleksander
    @Hirflawdd

    Do you remember when the US Women's Soccer Team got beaten by a friggin" JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL men's team. And the score was 5-2!

    This was right before the womyns "won" the World Cup.

    https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

    Fer crying out loud....

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  39. @Pericles
    O/T

    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1449007648989343755

    https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1503806495l/3985._SY475_.jpg

    With the new Superbisexual Man, that cover takes on a whole new meaning.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    The building in that illustration sure looks like the Empire State Building (constructed 1930-1931) and not Cleveland’s Terminal Tower (constructed 1923-1930) which one assumes we are talking about:


    This was the second tallest building in the world when it was completed. The skyscraper boom of that period produced a lot of buildings of this type.

    For example, Los Angeles City Hall, completed in 1928:

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You post reminded me of something that would be impossible today.
    The Empire State Building took 14 months to build from start to finish.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  40. Alternate theory: It is a ‘jobs program’ for former NBA players, to build chops in coaching, front office, and business management, where mistakes go unnoticed by the general public.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Tom F.

    Bill Laimbeer has built a successful 17-year career coaching women in Detroit, New York, and Las Vegas.

    Replies: @Feryl

    , @Marty T
    @Tom F.

    This is true. Lots of NBA former players have coached in the WNBA. Bill Laimbeer is one. I think he's still there.

    The way to make women's sports popular is to accentuate sports where they are attractive (obv not bball) and show that off. Otherwise leagues like the WNBA are basically marketing just to lesbians, even while ESPN promotes it endlessly.

    Of course you can't actually say that. Some old soccer guy once said the women soccer players should wear skimpier outfits and got slammed for it.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Carbon blob

  41. @Steve Sailer
    @Barnard

    Where did the WNBA victory parade in Chicago go? Past that lesbian Swedish pancake house on Foster in Andersonville?

    Replies: @Pericles, @Barnard, @Ganderson, @ArthurBiggs

    According to this article they ended up in Millennium Park. Whatever amphitheater they have there was clearly not at capacity.

    https://wgntv.com/sports/chicago-sky/chicago-sky-celebration-to-kick-off-tuesday-morning/

    • Replies: @Up2Drew
    @Barnard

    They ended up in the Pritzker Pavilion (bandshell) which seats 4,000 and has a grassy seating area for an additional 7,000. I work across the street from this facility.

    I actually wondered, when the ladies won the title, "Are they actually going to have a parade?" Because despite most of my friends having an avid interest in professional sports, and working at a firm with lots and lots of Empowered Women, I never heard one conversation in Chicago regarding the Sky, nor do I know one person who could name a rostered player.

    So that being said - it's not the players fault. I frankly think it would be dispiriting and a little humiliating the have such a public display of disinterest in your team, so I wondered if a parade was such a good idea. In comparison, Chicago jammed the Pritzker to celebrate the cheating Jackie Robinson Little League team a few years back.

    Replies: @Barnard

  42. @ScarletNumber
    In other news, John Hinckley is on Twitter. Yes, THAT John Hinckley, the one who is a fan of Jodie Foster and became famous 40 years ago.

    https://twitter.com/JohnHinckley20

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Cortes, @SteveRogers42, @Curle

    Replies full of communists unironically praising him.

  43. @Whereismyhandle
    Its simple: dumb boomers were incredibly wrong about corporations just wanting to maximize profits. They simply hate us and Do. Not. Care. if trannies are bad marketing for Gillette razors or if people hate an all-ugly female remake of Ghostbusters or if nobody wants a black Wonder Years or a women's basketball league shoved down their throats.

    Economics textbook, muh free market, hurrrr durrr, chuckle smirk. Wait until those college hippies enter the real world and have to pay taxes, hurrr durrr.

    This is why moronic boomercons lost the country. They were never in the fight.

    Replies: @Feryl, @stillCARealist, @Sebastian Hawks, @bomag, @Matttt

    If the corporate world really wanted to make money they’d be patriotic and socially conservative. Would it alienate commies? sure, but they just want to drink from their own wells. The vast middle would be quickly drawn to the right as they start seeing wholesome images and ideals again.

    Of course, saying “again” isn’t necessarily accurate as I believe the media has always pushed the envelope towards degeneracy. But so many millions of parents would love to see more of the culture on our side, rather than actively fighting to undermine our children’s character development.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @stillCARealist

    The global market has more anti-Americans than American patriots.

    And they have deeper pockets.

  44. @Whereismyhandle
    Its simple: dumb boomers were incredibly wrong about corporations just wanting to maximize profits. They simply hate us and Do. Not. Care. if trannies are bad marketing for Gillette razors or if people hate an all-ugly female remake of Ghostbusters or if nobody wants a black Wonder Years or a women's basketball league shoved down their throats.

    Economics textbook, muh free market, hurrrr durrr, chuckle smirk. Wait until those college hippies enter the real world and have to pay taxes, hurrr durrr.

    This is why moronic boomercons lost the country. They were never in the fight.

    Replies: @Feryl, @stillCARealist, @Sebastian Hawks, @bomag, @Matttt

    I’ve got the answer for you…four scrabble tiles worth 14 points if you catch my drift.

  45. @Anonymous
    @anon

    There's an obvious fetishistic, carnival, and freak show aspect to watching 2 women beat each other up, so there's a larger natural and potential audience for women's MMA than there is for women's basketball. Ultimately, nobody watches women's MMA for the fighting skill. They watch it for the other more perverse aspects.

    But there's no fetishistic, freak show aspect to watching women try to play basketball. Women's deficiencies in coordination relative to men are so glaringly apparent in basketball where you have to coordinate multiple movements simultaneously like dribbling and running but there's no freakish payoff like in women's MMA.

    Replies: @Hirflawdd, @Pericles, @stillCARealist, @Odin

    women’s basketball is much more fun to play than to watch.

    MMA at any level is much more fun to watch than to play.

  46. @PaceLaw
    @anon

    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @anon, @TWS, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Boo Alcindor

    The MMA female + it division may get a second wind as a focal point for the civil rights of trans women to beat bio women to death politics brouhaha.

    Are there any budding trans women WNBA competitors in the pipeline?

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    “Are there any budding trans women WNBA competitors in the pipeline?”

    That’s a great question! My gut says the answer is no, but of course I do not follow the WNBA at all so I really don’t know.

    I believe this may highlight possible tension between lesbians and the trans community. After all, the WNBA is controlled by a strong lesbian element. Why would lesbians want to give up something they completely control to men who claim to be women? It is rather curious why some trans competitors have sought to invade certain women sports (MMA & track and field), but not the WNBA. Something tells me that a strong lesbian front has totally quashed any idea of trans players being signed up.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  47. @Steve Sailer
    @Barnard

    Where did the WNBA victory parade in Chicago go? Past that lesbian Swedish pancake house on Foster in Andersonville?

    Replies: @Pericles, @Barnard, @Ganderson, @ArthurBiggs

    I don’t think it’s there anymore; and the Ann Sather on Clark just north of Foster has been closed for awhile- to get those scrumptious cinnamon buns you have to go south to Belmont, just west of Clark; unless the Corona-chan scandal has done that location in as well.

    For obvious reasons I have a soft spot for Andersonville.

  48. @PaceLaw
    @anon

    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @anon, @TWS, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Boo Alcindor

    That Paige girl for UConn (college player of year as freshman I think last year) looks like she could be a break-out star. Feminine looking, talented, and rather well-spoken too.

  49. @anon
    All it takes is one star to connect with the public to make WNBA revenues explode. Women's MMA was a joke and than a few years later Ronda Rousey fights were pulling in $100 million in revenue each.

    $10 million in losses a year to keep the lights on waiting for someone to break through isn't an an obviously bad bet to me.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon7, @PaceLaw, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Cowtown Rebel

    ThreeSevenFive, ESPN and SI proclaimed Rousey to be the greatest female athlete of all time. They had a hidden agenda in promoting a fighter with maybe ten fights, in a sport where no one pushes their daughters. She stepped into the ring with two better fighters in succession and got her lights turned out. Now she is a carnival act in wrestling.

  50. @Buzz Mohawk
    It's what comes after UCONN, baby!


    https://uconn-today-universityofconn.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/uconn-new-dog2.jpg


    http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160406072024-01-womens-bball-0406-super-169.jpg

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Buzz, I watch Uconn on YES TV. Amazing coaching.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Buffalo Joe

    Their record is amazing.

  51. One theory: NBA players tend to have an unfortunately high average rate of doing bad things to women in their free time. The NBA subsidizing the Women’s NBA helps buy off the lesbian feminist movement from complaining much about it.

    There’s that.

    There’s also Boomers having all the money so paying to have the culture* of their youth remain dominant until they shuffle off this mortal coil. One funeral at a time.

    * – according to the androgyny/sex differentiation generational cycle identified by Strauss and Howe in 1992 we’re due to be at peak differentiation now while rising Boomers were at peak androgyny. Boomer suppression of the cycle fits both the facts at hand (empty parades) and S&H’s theory.

  52. Gambling. WNBA is for gambling. All sports are made for sports betting. Black athletes can get away with female abuse as long as they are on the top of their game. Abused dogs do get a little justice then women. Anyone who watches sports without betting is just for advertisement consumption. Better question is why to advertisers waste money on WNBA games.

  53. @ScarletNumber
    In other news, John Hinckley is on Twitter. Yes, THAT John Hinckley, the one who is a fan of Jodie Foster and became famous 40 years ago.

    https://twitter.com/JohnHinckley20

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Cortes, @SteveRogers42, @Curle

    Imagine that!

  54. @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, I watch Uconn on YES TV. Amazing coaching.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Their record is amazing.

  55. @LondonBob
    They have been pushing women's football so hard here in Britain for the past few years, even though there is no appetite for it. There is no hidden motive, it is just the media and advertising executives being hardcore lefty activists pushing minoritarianism, all ideology.

    Replies: @Hirflawdd, @Cortes, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Bill Jones, @Curle

    Agreed. I’m expecting a major push for “double header” matches soon, with women’s games tied to blockbuster men’s games. The big London or NW derbies are probably the targets where the TV audience is guaranteed to be huge and broadcasting opens at the start of the second half of the women’s game as spectators arrive for the real thing. They couldn’t have the men first because there’d be a mass exodus from the stadium which might raise some awkward questions.

  56. @Whereismyhandle
    Its simple: dumb boomers were incredibly wrong about corporations just wanting to maximize profits. They simply hate us and Do. Not. Care. if trannies are bad marketing for Gillette razors or if people hate an all-ugly female remake of Ghostbusters or if nobody wants a black Wonder Years or a women's basketball league shoved down their throats.

    Economics textbook, muh free market, hurrrr durrr, chuckle smirk. Wait until those college hippies enter the real world and have to pay taxes, hurrr durrr.

    This is why moronic boomercons lost the country. They were never in the fight.

    Replies: @Feryl, @stillCARealist, @Sebastian Hawks, @bomag, @Matttt

    I could agree.

    But considering the two schools of Karl Marx vs. Thorstein Veblem, the power of conspicuous consumption looks to be greater than the power of the lower classes redistributing the income flow from modern wealth generating enterprises.

  57. It’s a tax break for the owners, they get to write off the losses from the WNBA teams.

  58. Who is the Warren Antonio Cromartie analog in the WNBA? They aren’t doing their part to foster greater penetration into the community.

  59. My recollection is that when the NBA got started with the WNBA in the mid to late 1990s, the NBA was at the height of its popularity and was raking in network bucks. The WNBA, it was reasoned, would be a way to grow basketball fandom among girls and women who would then also become NBA fans and the league would rake in even more dough. So all the WNBA needed was an incubator provided by the NBA, and after a short while the women’s league would support itself and pay dividends to the NBA. The nineties was the advent of riot grrrl feminism, when the archetype of the feminist in media changed from a prim, priggish librarian type to a kick-ass, kinetic, sporty type. My surmise is that a bunch of 5th Avenue marketing types assured the league that a slower, less dynamic, more fundamentally sound game populated by gangly crypto-lesbians with acromegaly would be ratings gold.

    But the WNBA never never did become self-sufficient, remaining a welfare case parasitic on the NBA while the giant crypto-lesbians became out and proud lesbians dating other players on other WNBA teams.

    I think the case is that now it would be more painful to the NBA in the woke era to pull the plug on this financial loser than it would be to continue paying the danegeld in exchange for some measure of woke protection.

    Note that the NBA continues to subsidize the WNBA while relying upon the amateur NCAA to serve as its primary minor league, leading to the ridiculous movement to “pay college athletes” due to a vanishingly small number of athletes generating lucrative spectator value (most of which gets plowed back into University programs and subsidies of unpopular sports). All of this could be mitigated by moving the WNBA subsidy into a beefed up NBA minor league and scrapping the “one and done” NBA draft prohibition, permitting 18 year old basketball players to play professionally while developing skills.

  60. It’s white/male guilt of course that keeps the WNBA afloat. (And \$\$\$ from my Tribe) But with ESPN and other 24/7 sports networks desperate to fill airtime, no league or competition is too obscure or unpopular. Poker alone sucks up countless hours — who wants to watch other people play cards? That’s something my grandfather would do down in the rec room when he was 80.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Known Fact

    Some people aren't excited to play poker themselves, much less watch other people doing it. And being "poker faced"... That alone diminishes viewer engagement.

  61. @zacie
    Yeah the WNBA sucks. Sophie Cunningham is a looker, though.

    Anyway, so Steve, any parting words regarding coronavirus? Scared on the upswing but silent on the downswing? Did you get your just deserts from throwing in with Team Pandemic? Is the looming recession going to be worth the marginal benefits? Or, are we just quietly sweeping this one under the rug?

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Marty T, @Peter Akuleyev

    I’ve done informal polls about the WNBA…the result is that virtually no one even knows the name of their local WNBA team…and they aren’t interested in finding out..

  62. @Hirflawdd
    @Anonymous

    Speak for yourself, Valentina Shevchenko is one of the most skilled fighters in the UFC. What the females lack is power not skill, but that goes for the lighter weights in general.

    Replies: @pyrrhus

    No, women have slower reflexes than men, it’s evolution…that’s why if you spar with them, you can’t go full bore or they will get hurt…,

  63. @Currahee
    I don't get the video. Are they jammed into these trucks and driven down the street as a celebratory parade?
    Really?
    These are the champs?
    Or does anyone care.

    Replies: @Forbes

    The video is the answer to the question: What if they gave a parade and no one showed up?

    • Replies: @36 ulster
    @Forbes

    I was forced to watch this farce on WBBM-TV at a North Shore bar. The hip-hop antics and the public self-humiliations of Our Great Mayor and Our Great Governor were unintentionally hilarious. I also noted the lack of panoramic shots during said farce. The cameras were focused on the stage and on about four rows of audience. Indeed: suppose they gave a parade...

  64. @J.Ross
    Y'all don't get it. Why would the mayor of Chicago go to a WNBA game unless the WNBA figured out police-postdating societal control technologies? Why,

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Why would the mayor of Chicago go to a WNBA game unless the WNBA figured out police-postdating societal control technologies? Why,

    Lesbian solidarity?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @kaganovitch

    Yeah that one got away from me in mid-sentence there.
    Homosexuality would be okay if it was a sexuality, but it turns out it's a bigotry.

  65. @Kratoklastes

    One theory: NBA players tend to have an unfortunately high average rate of doing bad things to women in their free time. The NBA subsidizing the Women’s NBA helps buy off the lesbian feminist movement from complaining much about it.
     
    Nah.

    The lesbian feminist movement doesn't give a shit about starfuckers, any more than it gives a shit about pole-dancers.

    To laboriously reframe the koan:


    If a starfucker gets slapped by a sportsball player but the night ends with the sportsball player getting a blowjob, does anybody care about the slap?
     
    Also: credit where it's due - the lesbian feminist movement is self-aware enough to know that the poontang in the 'starfucker/pole-dancer' space is well out of the lesbian-feminist league.

    SO...

    Another theory: there is a bucket of money (or tax credits, or something) into which the NBA's money guys can put their tentacles, if the NBA pretends to give a shit about a few women being paid to play basketball at a Junior-High level.

    That's certainly the reason why AFL (Australian Football League) and cricket now have teams of women playing the sport 'professionally' despite having skills that are objectively inferior to under-15 boys.

    It's also why people have to pretend to be amazed when the best woman runs a 5k in a time that would result losing to the best man by more than an entire lap of an Olympic running track. 12:35 vs 14:06 - the best woman in the world is barely running fast enough to win a pre-WWII all-comers 5k... and would get beaten by half a minute by the fastest US high school kid.

    Replies: @Truth

    the best woman in the world is barely running fast enough to win a pre-WWII all-comers 5k… and would get beaten by half a minute by the fastest US high school kid.

    Are you one of these liberals who feels that women should compete with men?

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Truth

    I'm totally liberal, if you ask a Yank conservative; I'm #LiterallyHitler, if you ask a Yank liberal (or a Jew).

    Eye of the beholder and all that

    The idea that women should 'compete' against men is ridiculous - because there are basically zero areas of sporting endeavour in which the literal 'best woman on the planet' would not routinely be absolutely thrashed by any man in the 95th percentile (i.e., good but not really elite). So they wouldn't 'compete' so much as participate and fill in the places.

    One core problem with having special sporting competitions for women, is that encourages women who are also-rans to think that they are genuinely an example of elite performance. They receive unmerited public attention, and are able to abuse their public profile by being promoted as having views worth listening to.

    That's bad enough when it happens with elite male athletes: nobody should rationally care what Tyson Fury or Michael Jordan or Shohei Ohtani thinks about any subject, unless any of them has specific training that is relevant to the matter under consideration.

    We don't have a special parallel education system for females (and nor should we) - although degree programs in education, sociology, social work, nursing and the like come close. Standards in those pseudo-disciplines are lamentable and do not deserve to be referred to as bachelor's degrees: the inputs are second-rate at best (as evidenced by entry cutoffs), and the output is third-rate because it's a second-rater with unmerited high self-esteem. No surprise that in the US context, these pseudo-disciplines are dominated by women (and black women can be competitive - showing how low the bar actually is).

    There is the occasional exception, but while genuinely elite they are never competitive for the 'all comers' #1.

    Judit Polgár (the chess player) is an example: she has won tournaments and beaten good players... but has never ranked above #8 globally.

    In tennis terms, that would put her in the same broad category as Karl-Uwe Steeb: I only know of Steeb because I'm told he and I look slightly alike (we have the same eyes - especially in number).

    Point is: Steeb's peak rank was #14 - and pretty much nobody has ever heard of him. (He apparently made over $2m in prize-money, which was not enough to keep from going broke post-retirement).

    Nobody (except tennis tragics - mostly women) gives two hoots about Steeb's views on matters of significance. That's as it should be.

    That said: if he was to play the current female #1 tennis player, the poor chick would not stand a chance. (I don't know or care who is the actual current #1 woman, but whoever it is would be found wanting in reflexes, stamina, strength, power and strength-of-will - I would back current John McEnroe against the current #1 woman).

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Reg Cæsar, @Truth

  66. @ScarletNumber
    When my local high school won the state championship in football their parade was better attended.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Beach Jim

    My son’s high school soccer team won the state championship this past school year and it was better attended even with social distancing and all the rest.

  67. @PaceLaw
    @anon

    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @anon, @TWS, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Boo Alcindor

    Rousey was genuinely good for a woman. Any given college wrestler could of manhandled her easily.

    She was hyped because she could “beat a male contender”, according to Joe Rogan.

    Rogan is an entertainer. He is also knowledgeable about the fight game. I think he always knew most of what he said was hype. She got her ass handed to her by Holm.

    I don’t mind teaching women to fight and defend themselves but female bloodsports are degenerate

    • Agree: West reanimator
    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @TWS

    I totally agree with you TWS. I enjoy watching MMA fights at pretty much any weight class for men, but when females enter the ring then I usually turn the channel until that fight is over.

  68. @anon
    All it takes is one star to connect with the public to make WNBA revenues explode. Women's MMA was a joke and than a few years later Ronda Rousey fights were pulling in $100 million in revenue each.

    $10 million in losses a year to keep the lights on waiting for someone to break through isn't an an obviously bad bet to me.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon7, @PaceLaw, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Cowtown Rebel

    Most of the NBA owners acquired their teams, either with OPM (other peoples’ money), like the Dolans with the Knicks (super-voting shares in corporate equity) or with lottery-like windfalls (e.g., Steve Balmer, the late Paul Allen, Mark Cuban), while ownership is a vanity project (as in an exclusive club) where control of the asset is the higher priority as compared to annual profitability.

    Ownership is a franchise in a monopoly business operated by the NBA. Irrespective of what one believes about sport, or basketball, franchise values have dramatically increased over time. Whether this continues is a speculation–but at a very low cost to the current owners.

    The subsidy cost of the WNBA is simply a PR and marketing cost to the respective NBA franchise for local goodwill.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Forbes


    Most of the NBA owners acquired their teams, either with OPM (other peoples’ money), like the Dolans with the Knicks (super-voting shares in corporate equity) or with lottery-like windfalls (e.g., Steve Balmer, the late Paul Allen, Mark Cuban), while ownership is a vanity project (as in an exclusive club) where control of the asset is the higher priority as compared to annual profitability.

     

    I think buying a sports franchise is a way for a Billionaire to launder his public image, at least locally, from heartless titan of industry and object of envy into a "Home Team fan just like me," who can in turn gain more popularity by setting the market for free agent players.

    Ownership is a franchise in a monopoly business operated by the NBA. Irrespective of what one believes about sport, or basketball, franchise values have dramatically increased over time. Whether this continues is a speculation–but at a very low cost to the current owners.
     
    I think it's probably more accurate to say that the NBA is a legalized cartel with 30 constituent monopolistic entities which collude with one another under a set of internal multilateral rules.

    I'm not sold that the value of sports franchises isn't inflated in the manner of Tulip Mania. On the one hand these franchises have had the power to extract tax resources from municipal governments, but on the other hand there seems to be an upper limit to the value of the new stadium that attaches to the tenant franchise. I've wondered recently with the advent of multi-billion dollar stadium in places like L.A. and Oakland whether the larger municipalities may have gotten leverage back from the franchises - if the Rams underperform why couldn't L.A. refuse to renew a lease and steal away a franchise from a smaller market, making the value of the small market owner's franchise much the greater?

    The subsidy cost of the WNBA is simply a PR and marketing cost to the respective NBA franchise for local goodwill.

     

    I think at this point it doesn't generate goodwill (I don't think most people know that the WNBA is insolvent absent NBA subsidies, and the Press doesn't disabuse them of their ignorance), but rather that they'd lose goodwill if they pulled the plug on the WNBA when people would become aware that the NBA subsidized it but was mean in refusing to continue to do so. In the latter case, they'd instantly get a new phalanx of woke critics of the NBA.
  69. @Anonymous
    @anon

    There's an obvious fetishistic, carnival, and freak show aspect to watching 2 women beat each other up, so there's a larger natural and potential audience for women's MMA than there is for women's basketball. Ultimately, nobody watches women's MMA for the fighting skill. They watch it for the other more perverse aspects.

    But there's no fetishistic, freak show aspect to watching women try to play basketball. Women's deficiencies in coordination relative to men are so glaringly apparent in basketball where you have to coordinate multiple movements simultaneously like dribbling and running but there's no freakish payoff like in women's MMA.

    Replies: @Hirflawdd, @Pericles, @stillCARealist, @Odin

    …basketball, where you have to coordinate multiple movements simultaneously like dribbling and running

    Reportedly, simultaneous dribbling and running is no longer required in the men’s game either. Traveling is OK if you’re a certified star.

    • Agree: bomag
  70. @stillCARealist
    @Whereismyhandle

    If the corporate world really wanted to make money they'd be patriotic and socially conservative. Would it alienate commies? sure, but they just want to drink from their own wells. The vast middle would be quickly drawn to the right as they start seeing wholesome images and ideals again.

    Of course, saying "again" isn't necessarily accurate as I believe the media has always pushed the envelope towards degeneracy. But so many millions of parents would love to see more of the culture on our side, rather than actively fighting to undermine our children's character development.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The global market has more anti-Americans than American patriots.

    And they have deeper pockets.

  71. Could be a money laundry.
    There’s a lot of bad cash floating around out there. Chi-Coms, The Company, drug and slave traders, followers of The Prophet, fintech, you name it.
    Like pop music, Big Sports is awash in drugs and ho’s. But billionaire owners won’t be hanging around with the types of dealers and pimps that inhabit gentleman’s clubs in your rust-belt city. No, the service providers in this scenario would be billionaires too.

  72. @Forbes
    @anon

    Most of the NBA owners acquired their teams, either with OPM (other peoples' money), like the Dolans with the Knicks (super-voting shares in corporate equity) or with lottery-like windfalls (e.g., Steve Balmer, the late Paul Allen, Mark Cuban), while ownership is a vanity project (as in an exclusive club) where control of the asset is the higher priority as compared to annual profitability.

    Ownership is a franchise in a monopoly business operated by the NBA. Irrespective of what one believes about sport, or basketball, franchise values have dramatically increased over time. Whether this continues is a speculation--but at a very low cost to the current owners.

    The subsidy cost of the WNBA is simply a PR and marketing cost to the respective NBA franchise for local goodwill.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Most of the NBA owners acquired their teams, either with OPM (other peoples’ money), like the Dolans with the Knicks (super-voting shares in corporate equity) or with lottery-like windfalls (e.g., Steve Balmer, the late Paul Allen, Mark Cuban), while ownership is a vanity project (as in an exclusive club) where control of the asset is the higher priority as compared to annual profitability.

    I think buying a sports franchise is a way for a Billionaire to launder his public image, at least locally, from heartless titan of industry and object of envy into a “Home Team fan just like me,” who can in turn gain more popularity by setting the market for free agent players.

    Ownership is a franchise in a monopoly business operated by the NBA. Irrespective of what one believes about sport, or basketball, franchise values have dramatically increased over time. Whether this continues is a speculation–but at a very low cost to the current owners.

    I think it’s probably more accurate to say that the NBA is a legalized cartel with 30 constituent monopolistic entities which collude with one another under a set of internal multilateral rules.

    I’m not sold that the value of sports franchises isn’t inflated in the manner of Tulip Mania. On the one hand these franchises have had the power to extract tax resources from municipal governments, but on the other hand there seems to be an upper limit to the value of the new stadium that attaches to the tenant franchise. I’ve wondered recently with the advent of multi-billion dollar stadium in places like L.A. and Oakland whether the larger municipalities may have gotten leverage back from the franchises – if the Rams underperform why couldn’t L.A. refuse to renew a lease and steal away a franchise from a smaller market, making the value of the small market owner’s franchise much the greater?

    The subsidy cost of the WNBA is simply a PR and marketing cost to the respective NBA franchise for local goodwill.

    I think at this point it doesn’t generate goodwill (I don’t think most people know that the WNBA is insolvent absent NBA subsidies, and the Press doesn’t disabuse them of their ignorance), but rather that they’d lose goodwill if they pulled the plug on the WNBA when people would become aware that the NBA subsidized it but was mean in refusing to continue to do so. In the latter case, they’d instantly get a new phalanx of woke critics of the NBA.

  73. @LondonBob
    They have been pushing women's football so hard here in Britain for the past few years, even though there is no appetite for it. There is no hidden motive, it is just the media and advertising executives being hardcore lefty activists pushing minoritarianism, all ideology.

    Replies: @Hirflawdd, @Cortes, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Bill Jones, @Curle

    They have been pushing women’s football so hard here in Britain for the past few years, even though there is no appetite for it. There is no hidden motive, it is just the media and advertising executives being hardcore lefty activists pushing minoritarianism, all ideology.

    I think at this point given the example of the U.S. Women’s team, the lefty media executives would like to create a more prominent platform for homely lesbians to hector the British people.

  74. @Whereismyhandle
    Its simple: dumb boomers were incredibly wrong about corporations just wanting to maximize profits. They simply hate us and Do. Not. Care. if trannies are bad marketing for Gillette razors or if people hate an all-ugly female remake of Ghostbusters or if nobody wants a black Wonder Years or a women's basketball league shoved down their throats.

    Economics textbook, muh free market, hurrrr durrr, chuckle smirk. Wait until those college hippies enter the real world and have to pay taxes, hurrr durrr.

    This is why moronic boomercons lost the country. They were never in the fight.

    Replies: @Feryl, @stillCARealist, @Sebastian Hawks, @bomag, @Matttt

    Razors, I think, are a special case. They’re not interchangeable. I’ve been using the same type of disposable razor since I was a teenager. I’ve tried others over the years, but they invariably don’t work as well. I can tell you exactly what they look like, but I’m not sure what brand makes them. It’s probably Gillette.

    If they kept the razors exactly the same, but only marketed them to transgenders, I’d probably still buy them. Getting a clean shave and avoiding nicks and razor burn is more important to me than obnoxious advertisements.

  75. @Steve Sailer
    @Barnard

    Where did the WNBA victory parade in Chicago go? Past that lesbian Swedish pancake house on Foster in Andersonville?

    Replies: @Pericles, @Barnard, @Ganderson, @ArthurBiggs

    It looks like it was a 2-3 mile parade route from McCormick Place to Millennium Park. They couldn’t even get people out on a beautiful day to make that short distance look like there was at least some level of support.

  76. @kaganovitch
    @J.Ross

    Why would the mayor of Chicago go to a WNBA game unless the WNBA figured out police-postdating societal control technologies? Why,

    Lesbian solidarity?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Yeah that one got away from me in mid-sentence there.
    Homosexuality would be okay if it was a sexuality, but it turns out it’s a bigotry.

  77. anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    OT but reminded me of the cisgendered bigotry of the British Army parade dress policy.

    From the meeting minutes of the Army Dress Committee:

    The Committee reaffirmed its previous guidance that the Army still wished females to look female when in parade orders of dress

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/863760/Army_Dress_Committee_meeting_minutes_December_2015_to_February_2019__Annex_K_.pdf

  78. @LondonBob
    They have been pushing women's football so hard here in Britain for the past few years, even though there is no appetite for it. There is no hidden motive, it is just the media and advertising executives being hardcore lefty activists pushing minoritarianism, all ideology.

    Replies: @Hirflawdd, @Cortes, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Bill Jones, @Curle

    A bigger issue than the women’s football thing in the UK is the never ending high pitched whine about racism. Now renamed from the original BLM because someone pointed out that that was a terrorist group responsible for 7 dead cops in Dallas? ( some Texas, town) and the embarrassment of having a plane fly a “White Lives Matter” banner over a game and the police actually investigating to see what laws were broken- answer none, but I’m sure they’ll fix that.
    My own belief, other than sheer wokel shit-housery is that it hides the bubbling noise of the sexual abuse of young boys in the game as rampant as anywhere in the UK among the establishment sodomites.

  79. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Pericles

    The building in that illustration sure looks like the Empire State Building (constructed 1930-1931) and not Cleveland's Terminal Tower (constructed 1923-1930) which one assumes we are talking about:


    https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w728-h425-c728x425/upload/64/35/0c/640px-tower-city.jpg

    This was the second tallest building in the world when it was completed. The skyscraper boom of that period produced a lot of buildings of this type.

    For example, Los Angeles City Hall, completed in 1928:


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/LosAngelesCityHall1931.JPG

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    You post reminded me of something that would be impossible today.
    The Empire State Building took 14 months to build from start to finish.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Bill Jones

    There is a corporate safety meeting video with skyscraper construction workers scrambling around the beams smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee oblivious to the 100's of feet of empty space around them and the fatal landing area way down below that is pretty hilarious. When they did the painting job at my last apartment complex there is no way the fly-by-night outfit that did the job was in modern aerial safety code per GM and 3M.

  80. @Truth
    @Kratoklastes


    the best woman in the world is barely running fast enough to win a pre-WWII all-comers 5k… and would get beaten by half a minute by the fastest US high school kid.
     
    Are you one of these liberals who feels that women should compete with men?

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    I’m totally liberal, if you ask a Yank conservative; I’m #LiterallyHitler, if you ask a Yank liberal (or a Jew).

    Eye of the beholder and all that

    The idea that women should ‘compete’ against men is ridiculous – because there are basically zero areas of sporting endeavour in which the literal ‘best woman on the planet’ would not routinely be absolutely thrashed by any man in the 95th percentile (i.e., good but not really elite). So they wouldn’t ‘compete’ so much as participate and fill in the places.

    One core problem with having special sporting competitions for women, is that encourages women who are also-rans to think that they are genuinely an example of elite performance. They receive unmerited public attention, and are able to abuse their public profile by being promoted as having views worth listening to.

    That’s bad enough when it happens with elite male athletes: nobody should rationally care what Tyson Fury or Michael Jordan or Shohei Ohtani thinks about any subject, unless any of them has specific training that is relevant to the matter under consideration.

    We don’t have a special parallel education system for females (and nor should we) – although degree programs in education, sociology, social work, nursing and the like come close. Standards in those pseudo-disciplines are lamentable and do not deserve to be referred to as bachelor’s degrees: the inputs are second-rate at best (as evidenced by entry cutoffs), and the output is third-rate because it’s a second-rater with unmerited high self-esteem. No surprise that in the US context, these pseudo-disciplines are dominated by women (and black women can be competitive – showing how low the bar actually is).

    There is the occasional exception, but while genuinely elite they are never competitive for the ‘all comers’ #1.

    Judit Polgár (the chess player) is an example: she has won tournaments and beaten good players… but has never ranked above #8 globally.

    In tennis terms, that would put her in the same broad category as Karl-Uwe Steeb: I only know of Steeb because I’m told he and I look slightly alike (we have the same eyes – especially in number).

    Point is: Steeb’s peak rank was #14 – and pretty much nobody has ever heard of him. (He apparently made over \$2m in prize-money, which was not enough to keep from going broke post-retirement).

    Nobody (except tennis tragics – mostly women) gives two hoots about Steeb’s views on matters of significance. That’s as it should be.

    That said: if he was to play the current female #1 tennis player, the poor chick would not stand a chance. (I don’t know or care who is the actual current #1 woman, but whoever it is would be found wanting in reflexes, stamina, strength, power and strength-of-will – I would back current John McEnroe against the current #1 woman).

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Kratoklastes

    Federer once said, (But only once to my knowledge) that any man who plays tennis for a living could beat any woman.

    No word on if the Williams "sisters" were included in the latter.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Kratoklastes


    because there are basically zero areas of sporting endeavour in which the literal ‘best woman on the planet’ would not routinely be absolutely thrashed by any man in the 95th percentile
     
    Ice skating and gymnastics, where grace is as important as, if not more than, blunt force. "School figures" were discarded decades ago, primarily because they hurt the Janet Lynns, who had grace in abundance but weren't rewarded. Men in pairs are treated as furniture, and understandably so.

    Men can do all kinds of things women can't on gymnastic equipment, but people line up to see the ladies do what they can do. It will be a lot easier to get a men's gymnastic ticket at the next Olympics than a women's.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    , @Truth
    @Kratoklastes


    the best woman in the world is barely running fast enough to win a pre-WWII all-comers 5k… and would get beaten by half a minute by the fastest US high school kid.
     

    Are you one of these liberals who feels that women should compete with men?
     

    The idea that women should ‘compete’ against men is ridiculous
     
    Great, then why are they competing with them in your original post?
  81. @Kratoklastes
    @Truth

    I'm totally liberal, if you ask a Yank conservative; I'm #LiterallyHitler, if you ask a Yank liberal (or a Jew).

    Eye of the beholder and all that

    The idea that women should 'compete' against men is ridiculous - because there are basically zero areas of sporting endeavour in which the literal 'best woman on the planet' would not routinely be absolutely thrashed by any man in the 95th percentile (i.e., good but not really elite). So they wouldn't 'compete' so much as participate and fill in the places.

    One core problem with having special sporting competitions for women, is that encourages women who are also-rans to think that they are genuinely an example of elite performance. They receive unmerited public attention, and are able to abuse their public profile by being promoted as having views worth listening to.

    That's bad enough when it happens with elite male athletes: nobody should rationally care what Tyson Fury or Michael Jordan or Shohei Ohtani thinks about any subject, unless any of them has specific training that is relevant to the matter under consideration.

    We don't have a special parallel education system for females (and nor should we) - although degree programs in education, sociology, social work, nursing and the like come close. Standards in those pseudo-disciplines are lamentable and do not deserve to be referred to as bachelor's degrees: the inputs are second-rate at best (as evidenced by entry cutoffs), and the output is third-rate because it's a second-rater with unmerited high self-esteem. No surprise that in the US context, these pseudo-disciplines are dominated by women (and black women can be competitive - showing how low the bar actually is).

    There is the occasional exception, but while genuinely elite they are never competitive for the 'all comers' #1.

    Judit Polgár (the chess player) is an example: she has won tournaments and beaten good players... but has never ranked above #8 globally.

    In tennis terms, that would put her in the same broad category as Karl-Uwe Steeb: I only know of Steeb because I'm told he and I look slightly alike (we have the same eyes - especially in number).

    Point is: Steeb's peak rank was #14 - and pretty much nobody has ever heard of him. (He apparently made over $2m in prize-money, which was not enough to keep from going broke post-retirement).

    Nobody (except tennis tragics - mostly women) gives two hoots about Steeb's views on matters of significance. That's as it should be.

    That said: if he was to play the current female #1 tennis player, the poor chick would not stand a chance. (I don't know or care who is the actual current #1 woman, but whoever it is would be found wanting in reflexes, stamina, strength, power and strength-of-will - I would back current John McEnroe against the current #1 woman).

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Reg Cæsar, @Truth

    Federer once said, (But only once to my knowledge) that any man who plays tennis for a living could beat any woman.

    No word on if the Williams “sisters” were included in the latter.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Bill Jones

    The Williams sisters have famously gotten beaten by men who were very low ranked, including Karsten Braasch, who was 203 at the time.

    Of course Billie Jean King beat Bobby Riggs, but it's important to remember that he was 26 years older than she was. Also, Riggs was a notorious hustler, so who knows if he was giving 100 percent effort.

    Replies: @res

  82. @PaceLaw
    @anon

    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @anon, @TWS, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Boo Alcindor

    Lexie Brown is hot. She can definitely attract an NBA player

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @anon

    Oh, I agree that there are a handful of attractive women in the WNBA, but there just are not enough to really make a difference. Plus, as I said, their uniforms are really made for men and are not flattering at all to the female form. They should be more like professional tennis where women have more options in what they wear on the court. But of course, the lesbians that control the WNBA wouldn’t like that at all.

  83. @Hirflawdd
    @LondonBob

    Women's soccer is pretty abysmal - maybe they lack the power to exploit the long ball, women's sevens rugby is exciting though, as is tennis.

    Replies: @aleksander

    Do you remember when the US Women’s Soccer Team got beaten by a friggin” JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL men’s team. And the score was 5-2!

    This was right before the womyns “won” the World Cup.

    https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

    Fer crying out loud….

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @aleksander

    Same - same in Australia: U-16 boys 7, Women's Olympic team 0.

    https://www.huffpost.com/archive/au/entry/matildas-beaten-7-0-by-newcastle-jets-under-15-boys-team_a_21383895

  84. Smart phone based sport’s betting is a real growth industry. Degenerate gamblers will drop a dime on just about anything. If it’s gambling, you can bet the farm the tribes presence is significantly outsized. https://justwomenssports.com/how-to-bet-on-the-wnba-and-why-its-a-good-time-to-start/

  85. In other political sports news, this map shows Herschel Walker getting generous donations from all around the NFL, with the exception of Green Bay and Buffalo:

    Green Bay’s Brown was the only county in the league to go for Trump last year.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    Mr. Walker seems to get some donations from Milwaukee/Racine/Kenosha. Packer country starts at the state line.

  86. WNBA teams using the arenas in the off-season obstructs the creation of a rival league.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @C. Van Carter


    WNBA teams using the arenas in the off-season obstructs the creation of a rival league.

     

    Rival leagues are so 1970s. (And 1940s.) Do you see Providence, Syracuse, Rochester, Fort Wayne, and Quad (then Tri-) Cities trying to get their NBA franchises back? Or even Buffalo and Cincinnati?

    The hoops hotbeds of Virginia and Kentucky never bothered to replace their ABA teams, and Carolina lost their first NBA club to New Orleans.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  87. @Kratoklastes
    @Truth

    I'm totally liberal, if you ask a Yank conservative; I'm #LiterallyHitler, if you ask a Yank liberal (or a Jew).

    Eye of the beholder and all that

    The idea that women should 'compete' against men is ridiculous - because there are basically zero areas of sporting endeavour in which the literal 'best woman on the planet' would not routinely be absolutely thrashed by any man in the 95th percentile (i.e., good but not really elite). So they wouldn't 'compete' so much as participate and fill in the places.

    One core problem with having special sporting competitions for women, is that encourages women who are also-rans to think that they are genuinely an example of elite performance. They receive unmerited public attention, and are able to abuse their public profile by being promoted as having views worth listening to.

    That's bad enough when it happens with elite male athletes: nobody should rationally care what Tyson Fury or Michael Jordan or Shohei Ohtani thinks about any subject, unless any of them has specific training that is relevant to the matter under consideration.

    We don't have a special parallel education system for females (and nor should we) - although degree programs in education, sociology, social work, nursing and the like come close. Standards in those pseudo-disciplines are lamentable and do not deserve to be referred to as bachelor's degrees: the inputs are second-rate at best (as evidenced by entry cutoffs), and the output is third-rate because it's a second-rater with unmerited high self-esteem. No surprise that in the US context, these pseudo-disciplines are dominated by women (and black women can be competitive - showing how low the bar actually is).

    There is the occasional exception, but while genuinely elite they are never competitive for the 'all comers' #1.

    Judit Polgár (the chess player) is an example: she has won tournaments and beaten good players... but has never ranked above #8 globally.

    In tennis terms, that would put her in the same broad category as Karl-Uwe Steeb: I only know of Steeb because I'm told he and I look slightly alike (we have the same eyes - especially in number).

    Point is: Steeb's peak rank was #14 - and pretty much nobody has ever heard of him. (He apparently made over $2m in prize-money, which was not enough to keep from going broke post-retirement).

    Nobody (except tennis tragics - mostly women) gives two hoots about Steeb's views on matters of significance. That's as it should be.

    That said: if he was to play the current female #1 tennis player, the poor chick would not stand a chance. (I don't know or care who is the actual current #1 woman, but whoever it is would be found wanting in reflexes, stamina, strength, power and strength-of-will - I would back current John McEnroe against the current #1 woman).

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Reg Cæsar, @Truth

    because there are basically zero areas of sporting endeavour in which the literal ‘best woman on the planet’ would not routinely be absolutely thrashed by any man in the 95th percentile

    Ice skating and gymnastics, where grace is as important as, if not more than, blunt force. “School figures” were discarded decades ago, primarily because they hurt the Janet Lynns, who had grace in abundance but weren’t rewarded. Men in pairs are treated as furniture, and understandably so.

    Men can do all kinds of things women can’t on gymnastic equipment, but people line up to see the ladies do what they can do. It will be a lot easier to get a men’s gymnastic ticket at the next Olympics than a women’s.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Reg Cæsar


    Ice skating and gymnastics, where grace is as important as, if not more than, blunt force.
     
    ... and the absolute most important thing is the opinion of a bunch of bureaucrats sitting on the sidelines.

    In forms of ice skating that don't have the subjective 'judgement' layer (speed skating in other words), women get outclassed as expected - as they do in every winter sport that doesn't rely in the final cut for the opinion of a professional bullshit-artist.

    There are no style points for Downhill (and if there were, Hermann Meier would have got +∞ for his Nagano crash). Same is true for everything north of Slalom. (FWIW I don't like the requirement for a Telemark landing on ski jump events either, but even then it's not a big enough element to crowd out jump length).

    There are no style points for cross-country either, but there has been a deliberate shenanigans with event lengths to prevent the shortcomings of women from being exposed (e.g., the women's sprint time at the 2018 WO (3:03.84) looks like it was ~1.9s faster than the men's (3:05.75)... until you realise that the women's course is 1.2km and the men's is 1.4km).

    But whatever... if we're going to add pretend-sports where the outcome is completely mediated by bureaucrats on the sidelines, we can chuck in synchronised swimming, rhythmic gymnastics, and dressage. Grrrl power!

    While we're on gymnastics (which I admire as a male sport, notwithstanding that its scoring system is utterly subjective and therefore useless): have women compete on the pommel horse, parallel bars and rings and everyone will soon see how 'competitive' they are. Falling off the apparatus due to fatigue or joint failure: no amount of bullshit 'style point'-ery can offset that, so it is the ultimate meritocratic evaluation.

    Even on the floor and vault, men don't do all the stupid flouncy shit that the girls have to do to appeal to the judging panel - leaving aside why the judging panel thinks that a death-rictus fake smile and flouncy 'half-spastic ballerina princess' gesticulations are worth points.

    'Sports' where assessment is importantly affected by the subjective opinion of someone on the sidelines, grinds my gears in the same way that (some) university subjects are little more than essay-writing competitions despite the discipline ostensibly having a quantitative 'core'.

    You're probably right that people are more willing to get tickets to watch developmentally-stunted girls in leotards flounce aound, than they are to watch young men performing advanced acrobatics. That's their problem.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  88. @Tom F.
    Alternate theory: It is a 'jobs program' for former NBA players, to build chops in coaching, front office, and business management, where mistakes go unnoticed by the general public.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Marty T

    Bill Laimbeer has built a successful 17-year career coaching women in Detroit, New York, and Las Vegas.

    • Thanks: Tom F.
    • Replies: @Feryl
    @ScarletNumber

    Laimbeer has been a great white hate for eons, but the funny thing is that off the court he's been perfectly well adjusted. It's interesting how some hated white athletes end up living uneventful lives while countless black ones regardless of their reputation end up being disgraces. Christian Leattner is another good example, mocked for his arrogance and being a sort of pretty boy, then settled into a decent NBA career, retired, and has stayed out of trouble.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  89. @C. Van Carter
    WNBA teams using the arenas in the off-season obstructs the creation of a rival league.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    WNBA teams using the arenas in the off-season obstructs the creation of a rival league.

    Rival leagues are so 1970s. (And 1940s.) Do you see Providence, Syracuse, Rochester, Fort Wayne, and Quad (then Tri-) Cities trying to get their NBA franchises back? Or even Buffalo and Cincinnati?

    The hoops hotbeds of Virginia and Kentucky never bothered to replace their ABA teams, and Carolina lost their first NBA club to New Orleans.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar

    I think Carolina lost their NBA team for the same reason Cleveland and Houston lost their NFL teams; the public and the ownership had an ugly relationship. Once that was resolved, those leagues expanded back into those markets.

    It's funny how you mention that the NBA has no plans on going back to Buffalo or Cincinnati. Tampa is the largest market that does not currently have a team (and has never had a team) but you could say that Orlando is close enough. But Seattle, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Diego, and Kansas City have all had NBA teams and only Seattle is on anyone's shortlist for an expansion. With Baltimore you could argue that Washington is close enough while San Diego is hampered by the two LA teams, but Missouri is a forgotten land for the NBA.

    The NBA has 29 teams in the US, but 4 of them share 2 markets, so there are 27 markets that have teams. The NFL is the most expansive with 32 teams in 30 markets. Due to its socialist financial structure and teams only having 8 or 9 home games per year, the NFL has the most flexibility with where it places its teams.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  90. @Forbes
    @Currahee

    The video is the answer to the question: What if they gave a parade and no one showed up?

    Replies: @36 ulster

    I was forced to watch this farce on WBBM-TV at a North Shore bar. The hip-hop antics and the public self-humiliations of Our Great Mayor and Our Great Governor were unintentionally hilarious. I also noted the lack of panoramic shots during said farce. The cameras were focused on the stage and on about four rows of audience. Indeed: suppose they gave a parade…

  91. What do you expect them to do? Admit that no one watches it?

    Women’s basketball just isn’t that entertaining and even worse is that half the WNBA players look like bitter lesbians. No one wants to watch unhappy butch women play basketball. Guys however would watch a Hooters waitress 3 vs 3.

    Here is a better question: Why do minor league players agree to be slaves for the MLB? That is the biggest racket in sports.

    • Replies: @Up2Drew
    @John Johnson

    Because it's essentially an unpaid apprenticeship. Lots of glamour industries have unpaid interns.

    And extending your window of playing baseball for a few years after school, even at subsistence wages, is fun. Playing for the local beer league isn't the same - even if you're in Low A, you're playing with the best ~2500 players on Earth.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  92. @Known Fact
    It's white/male guilt of course that keeps the WNBA afloat. (And $$$ from my Tribe) But with ESPN and other 24/7 sports networks desperate to fill airtime, no league or competition is too obscure or unpopular. Poker alone sucks up countless hours -- who wants to watch other people play cards? That's something my grandfather would do down in the rec room when he was 80.

    Replies: @Feryl

    Some people aren’t excited to play poker themselves, much less watch other people doing it. And being “poker faced”… That alone diminishes viewer engagement.

  93. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kratoklastes


    because there are basically zero areas of sporting endeavour in which the literal ‘best woman on the planet’ would not routinely be absolutely thrashed by any man in the 95th percentile
     
    Ice skating and gymnastics, where grace is as important as, if not more than, blunt force. "School figures" were discarded decades ago, primarily because they hurt the Janet Lynns, who had grace in abundance but weren't rewarded. Men in pairs are treated as furniture, and understandably so.

    Men can do all kinds of things women can't on gymnastic equipment, but people line up to see the ladies do what they can do. It will be a lot easier to get a men's gymnastic ticket at the next Olympics than a women's.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    Ice skating and gymnastics, where grace is as important as, if not more than, blunt force.

    … and the absolute most important thing is the opinion of a bunch of bureaucrats sitting on the sidelines.

    In forms of ice skating that don’t have the subjective ‘judgement’ layer (speed skating in other words), women get outclassed as expected – as they do in every winter sport that doesn’t rely in the final cut for the opinion of a professional bullshit-artist.

    There are no style points for Downhill (and if there were, Hermann Meier would have got +∞ for his Nagano crash). Same is true for everything north of Slalom. (FWIW I don’t like the requirement for a Telemark landing on ski jump events either, but even then it’s not a big enough element to crowd out jump length).

    There are no style points for cross-country either, but there has been a deliberate shenanigans with event lengths to prevent the shortcomings of women from being exposed (e.g., the women’s sprint time at the 2018 WO (3:03.84) looks like it was ~1.9s faster than the men’s (3:05.75)… until you realise that the women’s course is 1.2km and the men’s is 1.4km).

    But whatever… if we’re going to add pretend-sports where the outcome is completely mediated by bureaucrats on the sidelines, we can chuck in synchronised swimming, rhythmic gymnastics, and dressage. Grrrl power!

    While we’re on gymnastics (which I admire as a male sport, notwithstanding that its scoring system is utterly subjective and therefore useless): have women compete on the pommel horse, parallel bars and rings and everyone will soon see how ‘competitive’ they are. Falling off the apparatus due to fatigue or joint failure: no amount of bullshit ‘style point‘-ery can offset that, so it is the ultimate meritocratic evaluation.

    Even on the floor and vault, men don’t do all the stupid flouncy shit that the girls have to do to appeal to the judging panel – leaving aside why the judging panel thinks that a death-rictus fake smile and flouncy ‘half-spastic ballerina princess’ gesticulations are worth points.

    ‘Sports’ where assessment is importantly affected by the subjective opinion of someone on the sidelines, grinds my gears in the same way that (some) university subjects are little more than essay-writing competitions despite the discipline ostensibly having a quantitative ‘core’.

    You’re probably right that people are more willing to get tickets to watch developmentally-stunted girls in leotards flounce aound, than they are to watch young men performing advanced acrobatics. That’s their problem.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Kratoklastes

    Judging from your Greek moniker, you probably think sports' decline began when Olympians first put on clothes.


    https://p1.pstatp.com/origin/pgc-image/432eea89186648bdbd6fb77cc66be1ec.png


    Looking good naked is one thing young women absolutely do better than men!

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

  94. @ScarletNumber
    @Tom F.

    Bill Laimbeer has built a successful 17-year career coaching women in Detroit, New York, and Las Vegas.

    Replies: @Feryl

    Laimbeer has been a great white hate for eons, but the funny thing is that off the court he’s been perfectly well adjusted. It’s interesting how some hated white athletes end up living uneventful lives while countless black ones regardless of their reputation end up being disgraces. Christian Leattner is another good example, mocked for his arrogance and being a sort of pretty boy, then settled into a decent NBA career, retired, and has stayed out of trouble.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Feryl

    On a Detroit Pistons team of thugs called the Bad Boys, which included the likes of Rick Mahorn and Dennis Rodman, raised-in-privilege Laimbeer was the dirtiest player.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM-IKDa8PiI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThHiVDaVmbQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRqFFsaxCjA

    He's been with the WNBA forever because, other than an assistant coaching job a decade ago, nobody will give him a job in the real league. Two of his former teammates were GMs and they wouldn't even hire him.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Feryl

  95. One test of a pro sport is whether it inspires fantasy leagues. You cannot tell me that anyone anywhere is in a WNBA fantasy league.

  96. @Bill Jones
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You post reminded me of something that would be impossible today.
    The Empire State Building took 14 months to build from start to finish.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is a corporate safety meeting video with skyscraper construction workers scrambling around the beams smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee oblivious to the 100’s of feet of empty space around them and the fatal landing area way down below that is pretty hilarious. When they did the painting job at my last apartment complex there is no way the fly-by-night outfit that did the job was in modern aerial safety code per GM and 3M.

  97. @PaceLaw
    @anon

    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @anon, @TWS, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Boo Alcindor

    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.

    The sweet spot for women’s sports to be marketable is a game populated by somewhat pretty, photogenic, feminine, and wholesome girls who seem like they have good relationships with their fathers and will become happy upper middle class wives and mothers rather soon. This is essentially the formula which would attract white upper middle class fathers and daughters, where the fathers are looking for social outlets to keep their daughters off of drugs and from becoming boy crazy cum teen mothers.

    But female sports attracts butch lesbians like moths to the flame, and their more aggressive personalities seem to take over the culture of these institutions rather quickly. And of course in this age you can’t ask Alphabet people to tone down their act when the organizing principle of their identity at this point is exhibitionist PRIDE! So these women’s sports leagues crumble one after the next, turning from a plausible middle class consumer entertainment product into a pastime near exclusively for aggressive butch lesbians.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    And you have situations like the US women's soccer team, mostly straight but with lesbian leadership (Rapinoe) that poisons the atmosphere.

    Replies: @meh

    , @John Johnson
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    But female sports attracts butch lesbians like moths to the flame, and their more aggressive personalities seem to take over the culture of these institutions rather quickly.

    I can enjoy women's sports but the WNBA is not only butch but reeks of lesbian and racial bitterness.

    Just watch and you will see these 6' dykes giving the nastiest looks to the other team.

    The Black women have the attitude that it is their sport and get flaming pissed if a small White girl steals the ball.

    I'm sure liberals and lesbians think that this is all a U GO GIRL moment and we shouldn't complain.

    Well they can go watch a thousand lesbo layups then. No one cares.

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    So maybe they should play shorts and skins?

  98. @Kratoklastes
    @Reg Cæsar


    Ice skating and gymnastics, where grace is as important as, if not more than, blunt force.
     
    ... and the absolute most important thing is the opinion of a bunch of bureaucrats sitting on the sidelines.

    In forms of ice skating that don't have the subjective 'judgement' layer (speed skating in other words), women get outclassed as expected - as they do in every winter sport that doesn't rely in the final cut for the opinion of a professional bullshit-artist.

    There are no style points for Downhill (and if there were, Hermann Meier would have got +∞ for his Nagano crash). Same is true for everything north of Slalom. (FWIW I don't like the requirement for a Telemark landing on ski jump events either, but even then it's not a big enough element to crowd out jump length).

    There are no style points for cross-country either, but there has been a deliberate shenanigans with event lengths to prevent the shortcomings of women from being exposed (e.g., the women's sprint time at the 2018 WO (3:03.84) looks like it was ~1.9s faster than the men's (3:05.75)... until you realise that the women's course is 1.2km and the men's is 1.4km).

    But whatever... if we're going to add pretend-sports where the outcome is completely mediated by bureaucrats on the sidelines, we can chuck in synchronised swimming, rhythmic gymnastics, and dressage. Grrrl power!

    While we're on gymnastics (which I admire as a male sport, notwithstanding that its scoring system is utterly subjective and therefore useless): have women compete on the pommel horse, parallel bars and rings and everyone will soon see how 'competitive' they are. Falling off the apparatus due to fatigue or joint failure: no amount of bullshit 'style point'-ery can offset that, so it is the ultimate meritocratic evaluation.

    Even on the floor and vault, men don't do all the stupid flouncy shit that the girls have to do to appeal to the judging panel - leaving aside why the judging panel thinks that a death-rictus fake smile and flouncy 'half-spastic ballerina princess' gesticulations are worth points.

    'Sports' where assessment is importantly affected by the subjective opinion of someone on the sidelines, grinds my gears in the same way that (some) university subjects are little more than essay-writing competitions despite the discipline ostensibly having a quantitative 'core'.

    You're probably right that people are more willing to get tickets to watch developmentally-stunted girls in leotards flounce aound, than they are to watch young men performing advanced acrobatics. That's their problem.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Judging from your Greek moniker, you probably think sports’ decline began when Olympians first put on clothes.

    Looking good naked is one thing young women absolutely do better than men!

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's quite interesting that the Ancients tended to portray women as somewhat 'matronly' - or at least somewhat 'fleshy' - e.g., the Caryatids; Nike of Paeonius; Aphrodite of Knidos; Athena Parthenos. Even on pottery, the ladies were always allowed to be 'hippy' (and always had pretty small norks).

    By contrast, male figures pretty much all had six-packs - like the various Discobolus-es; the Riace Warriors; and the Artemision Bronze.

    Some of the younger guy-oriented statues - the various Epheboi - had slightly higher bodyfat but were still 'personal trainer' level physiques by modern standards.

    Nohomo, but the guys were obviously not eating a lot of refined carbohydrate lol.

  99. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kratoklastes

    Judging from your Greek moniker, you probably think sports' decline began when Olympians first put on clothes.


    https://p1.pstatp.com/origin/pgc-image/432eea89186648bdbd6fb77cc66be1ec.png


    Looking good naked is one thing young women absolutely do better than men!

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    It’s quite interesting that the Ancients tended to portray women as somewhat ‘matronly’ – or at least somewhat ‘fleshy’ – e.g., the Caryatids; Nike of Paeonius; Aphrodite of Knidos; Athena Parthenos. Even on pottery, the ladies were always allowed to be ‘hippy’ (and always had pretty small norks).

    By contrast, male figures pretty much all had six-packs – like the various Discobolus-es; the Riace Warriors; and the Artemision Bronze.

    Some of the younger guy-oriented statues – the various Epheboi – had slightly higher bodyfat but were still ‘personal trainer’ level physiques by modern standards.

    Nohomo, but the guys were obviously not eating a lot of refined carbohydrate lol.

  100. @anon
    All it takes is one star to connect with the public to make WNBA revenues explode. Women's MMA was a joke and than a few years later Ronda Rousey fights were pulling in $100 million in revenue each.

    $10 million in losses a year to keep the lights on waiting for someone to break through isn't an an obviously bad bet to me.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon7, @PaceLaw, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @Cowtown Rebel

    I’ve stated this on other posts, but it bears repeating here. I STOPPED watching MMA when the Women began to get involved.

    I can’t speak for Men who would rather watch Negroes Play with Their Balls than White Cheerleaders perform their routines, but, personally, I am averse to Women with cauliflower ears, crooked noses and missing teeth.

    Lesbians with Cornrows? FUGLY!!!

    The Women’s Sports that I occasionally find myself watching include Ice Skating and Gymnastics; sports that accentuate grace and the feminine form.

    Also, why do the Female Teams have Female Cheerleaders? That seems awfully Lesbianesque to me.

  101. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @PaceLaw

    The MMA female + it division may get a second wind as a focal point for the civil rights of trans women to beat bio women to death politics brouhaha.

    Are there any budding trans women WNBA competitors in the pipeline?

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    “Are there any budding trans women WNBA competitors in the pipeline?”

    That’s a great question! My gut says the answer is no, but of course I do not follow the WNBA at all so I really don’t know.

    I believe this may highlight possible tension between lesbians and the trans community. After all, the WNBA is controlled by a strong lesbian element. Why would lesbians want to give up something they completely control to men who claim to be women? It is rather curious why some trans competitors have sought to invade certain women sports (MMA & track and field), but not the WNBA. Something tells me that a strong lesbian front has totally quashed any idea of trans players being signed up.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @PaceLaw

    Griner occupies a grey area.

  102. @TWS
    @PaceLaw

    Rousey was genuinely good for a woman. Any given college wrestler could of manhandled her easily.

    She was hyped because she could "beat a male contender", according to Joe Rogan.

    Rogan is an entertainer. He is also knowledgeable about the fight game. I think he always knew most of what he said was hype. She got her ass handed to her by Holm.

    I don't mind teaching women to fight and defend themselves but female bloodsports are degenerate

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    I totally agree with you TWS. I enjoy watching MMA fights at pretty much any weight class for men, but when females enter the ring then I usually turn the channel until that fight is over.

  103. @anon
    @PaceLaw

    Lexie Brown is hot. She can definitely attract an NBA player

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    Oh, I agree that there are a handful of attractive women in the WNBA, but there just are not enough to really make a difference. Plus, as I said, their uniforms are really made for men and are not flattering at all to the female form. They should be more like professional tennis where women have more options in what they wear on the court. But of course, the lesbians that control the WNBA wouldn’t like that at all.

  104. “One theory: NBA players tend to have an unfortunately high average rate of doing bad things to women in their free time.”

    Might explain why every Octobber the NFL goes into full breast cancer awareness month, forcing it’s player to wear pink.

  105. Do you LOVE tall, sexy women?

    Well, you’re shit out of luck!

    WNBA

  106. @PaceLaw
    @AnotherDad

    Well said. Major sports leagues, just like damn-near all big corporations, are totally devoted to the cult of progressive liberalism, which means they must virtue signal by doing performative acts such as supporting Black Lives Matter and subsidizing the WNBA. The amount of money devoted to organizations such as these really amounts only to a pittance compared to the perceived prestige of being on the right side of history. Or not . . .

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Should note wokery invaded British football when Comcast bought Sky, the primary broadcaster, from Fox back in 2018.

  107. @zacie
    Yeah the WNBA sucks. Sophie Cunningham is a looker, though.

    Anyway, so Steve, any parting words regarding coronavirus? Scared on the upswing but silent on the downswing? Did you get your just deserts from throwing in with Team Pandemic? Is the looming recession going to be worth the marginal benefits? Or, are we just quietly sweeping this one under the rug?

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Marty T, @Peter Akuleyev

    I don’t watch the WNBA (who does) but I remember Sophie from Missouri. If I randomly switched to one of her games I’d stick around for a while.

  108. @Tom F.
    Alternate theory: It is a 'jobs program' for former NBA players, to build chops in coaching, front office, and business management, where mistakes go unnoticed by the general public.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Marty T

    This is true. Lots of NBA former players have coached in the WNBA. Bill Laimbeer is one. I think he’s still there.

    The way to make women’s sports popular is to accentuate sports where they are attractive (obv not bball) and show that off. Otherwise leagues like the WNBA are basically marketing just to lesbians, even while ESPN promotes it endlessly.

    Of course you can’t actually say that. Some old soccer guy once said the women soccer players should wear skimpier outfits and got slammed for it.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Marty T

    You should read the other replies before you make yours.

    , @Carbon blob
    @Marty T

    Check out NCAA women’s soccer when you get a chance.

    You’re welcome.

  109. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @PaceLaw


    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.
     
    The sweet spot for women's sports to be marketable is a game populated by somewhat pretty, photogenic, feminine, and wholesome girls who seem like they have good relationships with their fathers and will become happy upper middle class wives and mothers rather soon. This is essentially the formula which would attract white upper middle class fathers and daughters, where the fathers are looking for social outlets to keep their daughters off of drugs and from becoming boy crazy cum teen mothers.

    But female sports attracts butch lesbians like moths to the flame, and their more aggressive personalities seem to take over the culture of these institutions rather quickly. And of course in this age you can't ask Alphabet people to tone down their act when the organizing principle of their identity at this point is exhibitionist PRIDE! So these women's sports leagues crumble one after the next, turning from a plausible middle class consumer entertainment product into a pastime near exclusively for aggressive butch lesbians.

    Replies: @Marty T, @John Johnson, @SteveRogers42

    And you have situations like the US women’s soccer team, mostly straight but with lesbian leadership (Rapinoe) that poisons the atmosphere.

    • Replies: @meh
    @Marty T


    And you have situations like the US women’s soccer team, mostly straight but with lesbian leadership (Rapinoe) that poisons the atmosphere.
     
    This is mostly a very recent thing in women's soccer; 30, 20, even 10 years ago the USWNT were almost all white middle class college girls who got married and had families and who weren't political. They mostly still are, but they now defer to the wokest amongst them. Trump Derangement Syndrome accelerated this.

    In spite of recent SJW/SWPL/hipster/antifa invasion of American soccer fandom, most American soccer fans don't care about women's soccer. The USWNT is a thing, but the various professional women's soccer leagues and clubs come and go with barely any attention being paid to them by American soccer fans.
  110. Now for the quite simple, and correct, non-conspiratorial answer:

    Because women’s basketball is quite popular in Europe and the NBA wanted to establish the same popularity here…

    Women’s basketball players can also do well overseas, sometimes earning 12 times more playing in China than they do in the United States.

    https://www.reference.com/world-view/much-money-overseas-basketball-players-make-f7061620190d4bfd

    https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/barbara-barker/wnba-players-are-underpaid-shouldn-t-have-to-play-overseas-1.12639553

  111. @Kratoklastes
    @Truth

    I'm totally liberal, if you ask a Yank conservative; I'm #LiterallyHitler, if you ask a Yank liberal (or a Jew).

    Eye of the beholder and all that

    The idea that women should 'compete' against men is ridiculous - because there are basically zero areas of sporting endeavour in which the literal 'best woman on the planet' would not routinely be absolutely thrashed by any man in the 95th percentile (i.e., good but not really elite). So they wouldn't 'compete' so much as participate and fill in the places.

    One core problem with having special sporting competitions for women, is that encourages women who are also-rans to think that they are genuinely an example of elite performance. They receive unmerited public attention, and are able to abuse their public profile by being promoted as having views worth listening to.

    That's bad enough when it happens with elite male athletes: nobody should rationally care what Tyson Fury or Michael Jordan or Shohei Ohtani thinks about any subject, unless any of them has specific training that is relevant to the matter under consideration.

    We don't have a special parallel education system for females (and nor should we) - although degree programs in education, sociology, social work, nursing and the like come close. Standards in those pseudo-disciplines are lamentable and do not deserve to be referred to as bachelor's degrees: the inputs are second-rate at best (as evidenced by entry cutoffs), and the output is third-rate because it's a second-rater with unmerited high self-esteem. No surprise that in the US context, these pseudo-disciplines are dominated by women (and black women can be competitive - showing how low the bar actually is).

    There is the occasional exception, but while genuinely elite they are never competitive for the 'all comers' #1.

    Judit Polgár (the chess player) is an example: she has won tournaments and beaten good players... but has never ranked above #8 globally.

    In tennis terms, that would put her in the same broad category as Karl-Uwe Steeb: I only know of Steeb because I'm told he and I look slightly alike (we have the same eyes - especially in number).

    Point is: Steeb's peak rank was #14 - and pretty much nobody has ever heard of him. (He apparently made over $2m in prize-money, which was not enough to keep from going broke post-retirement).

    Nobody (except tennis tragics - mostly women) gives two hoots about Steeb's views on matters of significance. That's as it should be.

    That said: if he was to play the current female #1 tennis player, the poor chick would not stand a chance. (I don't know or care who is the actual current #1 woman, but whoever it is would be found wanting in reflexes, stamina, strength, power and strength-of-will - I would back current John McEnroe against the current #1 woman).

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Reg Cæsar, @Truth

    the best woman in the world is barely running fast enough to win a pre-WWII all-comers 5k… and would get beaten by half a minute by the fastest US high school kid.

    Are you one of these liberals who feels that women should compete with men?

    The idea that women should ‘compete’ against men is ridiculous

    Great, then why are they competing with them in your original post?

  112. @PaceLaw
    @anon

    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @anon, @TWS, @anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Boo Alcindor

    Women ballplayers can’t create their own shots. Hence, no breakout stars.

  113. @zacie
    Yeah the WNBA sucks. Sophie Cunningham is a looker, though.

    Anyway, so Steve, any parting words regarding coronavirus? Scared on the upswing but silent on the downswing? Did you get your just deserts from throwing in with Team Pandemic? Is the looming recession going to be worth the marginal benefits? Or, are we just quietly sweeping this one under the rug?

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Marty T, @Peter Akuleyev

    The overreactions to the Pandemic – both by the ridiculous antivaxxers and the ridiculous lockdown proponents – are easily explained by boredom. Prosperity has driven most people in the West crazy. They live meaningless lives and are desperate to be the heroes of their own internal movies.

    100 years ago this attitude helped bring us WWI. Today most lazy fat Westerners are too scared of war to do that so they become T ransright activists, march for BLM, decide Antifa is a serious threat to their rural town, vote for Trump, vote for Sanders,

  114. @Barnard
    @Steve Sailer

    According to this article they ended up in Millennium Park. Whatever amphitheater they have there was clearly not at capacity.

    https://wgntv.com/sports/chicago-sky/chicago-sky-celebration-to-kick-off-tuesday-morning/

    Replies: @Up2Drew

    They ended up in the Pritzker Pavilion (bandshell) which seats 4,000 and has a grassy seating area for an additional 7,000. I work across the street from this facility.

    I actually wondered, when the ladies won the title, “Are they actually going to have a parade?” Because despite most of my friends having an avid interest in professional sports, and working at a firm with lots and lots of Empowered Women, I never heard one conversation in Chicago regarding the Sky, nor do I know one person who could name a rostered player.

    So that being said – it’s not the players fault. I frankly think it would be dispiriting and a little humiliating the have such a public display of disinterest in your team, so I wondered if a parade was such a good idea. In comparison, Chicago jammed the Pritzker to celebrate the cheating Jackie Robinson Little League team a few years back.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Up2Drew

    Thanks, based on the pictures inside the bandshell how many people do you think were there? It looks like 500-600 at the most to me.

  115. @John Johnson
    What do you expect them to do? Admit that no one watches it?

    Women's basketball just isn't that entertaining and even worse is that half the WNBA players look like bitter lesbians. No one wants to watch unhappy butch women play basketball. Guys however would watch a Hooters waitress 3 vs 3.

    Here is a better question: Why do minor league players agree to be slaves for the MLB? That is the biggest racket in sports.

    Replies: @Up2Drew

    Because it’s essentially an unpaid apprenticeship. Lots of glamour industries have unpaid interns.

    And extending your window of playing baseball for a few years after school, even at subsistence wages, is fun. Playing for the local beer league isn’t the same – even if you’re in Low A, you’re playing with the best ~2500 players on Earth.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Up2Drew

    Because it’s essentially an unpaid apprenticeship. Lots of glamour industries have unpaid interns

    It's not an unpaid apprenticeship. An apprenticeship implies training for a higher level position. Most will not go to the MLB.

    And extending your window of playing baseball for a few years after school, even at subsistence wages, is fun. Playing for the local beer league isn’t the same – even if you’re in Low A, you’re playing with the best ~2500 players on Earth.

    Yea that is the MLB defense. They get to play baseball even if we pay them in peanuts.

    I don't get why the players put up with it. This is a case where a union is needed to set basic wages and working conditions. The teams have plenty of money and could pay them a basic salary.

    NFL cheerleaders need a union as well. They actually take a loss because they are paid nothing and have to cover their expenses.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber

  116. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @PaceLaw


    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.
     
    The sweet spot for women's sports to be marketable is a game populated by somewhat pretty, photogenic, feminine, and wholesome girls who seem like they have good relationships with their fathers and will become happy upper middle class wives and mothers rather soon. This is essentially the formula which would attract white upper middle class fathers and daughters, where the fathers are looking for social outlets to keep their daughters off of drugs and from becoming boy crazy cum teen mothers.

    But female sports attracts butch lesbians like moths to the flame, and their more aggressive personalities seem to take over the culture of these institutions rather quickly. And of course in this age you can't ask Alphabet people to tone down their act when the organizing principle of their identity at this point is exhibitionist PRIDE! So these women's sports leagues crumble one after the next, turning from a plausible middle class consumer entertainment product into a pastime near exclusively for aggressive butch lesbians.

    Replies: @Marty T, @John Johnson, @SteveRogers42

    But female sports attracts butch lesbians like moths to the flame, and their more aggressive personalities seem to take over the culture of these institutions rather quickly.

    I can enjoy women’s sports but the WNBA is not only butch but reeks of lesbian and racial bitterness.

    Just watch and you will see these 6′ dykes giving the nastiest looks to the other team.

    The Black women have the attitude that it is their sport and get flaming pissed if a small White girl steals the ball.

    I’m sure liberals and lesbians think that this is all a U GO GIRL moment and we shouldn’t complain.

    Well they can go watch a thousand lesbo layups then. No one cares.

  117. @Reg Cæsar
    In other political sports news, this map shows Herschel Walker getting generous donations from all around the NFL, with the exception of Green Bay and Buffalo:

    https://www.ajc.com/resizer/Jv7Cqb09T_KrAX5H9-J8G7vfAh0=/800x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/ajc/BJI66WYPRBFLJHL5QUJRTHWOBY.png

    Green Bay's Brown was the only county in the league to go for Trump last year.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Mr. Walker seems to get some donations from Milwaukee/Racine/Kenosha. Packer country starts at the state line.

  118. @Up2Drew
    @John Johnson

    Because it's essentially an unpaid apprenticeship. Lots of glamour industries have unpaid interns.

    And extending your window of playing baseball for a few years after school, even at subsistence wages, is fun. Playing for the local beer league isn't the same - even if you're in Low A, you're playing with the best ~2500 players on Earth.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Because it’s essentially an unpaid apprenticeship. Lots of glamour industries have unpaid interns

    It’s not an unpaid apprenticeship. An apprenticeship implies training for a higher level position. Most will not go to the MLB.

    And extending your window of playing baseball for a few years after school, even at subsistence wages, is fun. Playing for the local beer league isn’t the same – even if you’re in Low A, you’re playing with the best ~2500 players on Earth.

    Yea that is the MLB defense. They get to play baseball even if we pay them in peanuts.

    I don’t get why the players put up with it. This is a case where a union is needed to set basic wages and working conditions. The teams have plenty of money and could pay them a basic salary.

    NFL cheerleaders need a union as well. They actually take a loss because they are paid nothing and have to cover their expenses.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    The baseball players union consists of major league players. They figure that doubling the minor leaguers' pay would come out of their (flush) pockets.

    Thirty years ago I was told that you'd be better off spending age 19-21 playing for a good college baseball team than being in the minors in terms of quality of instruction and medical care. I don't know if that's true anymore. It seems like there are more 20 year olds who are stars than in the past, but the sample sizes are small.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @ScarletNumber

    , @ScarletNumber
    @John Johnson


    NFL cheerleaders need a union as well. They actually take a loss because they are paid nothing and have to cover their expenses.
     
    This is correct because there are many more women wanting to be cheerleaders than there are spots available for them. They lose money on their NFL gigs but make it up in appearance fees. Not saying this is correct but it's the way it is. If there was a union then they could guarantee a minimum fee per game as well having their expenses covered. Of course the NFL might retaliate and eliminate cheerleaders altogether. Only the Dallas Cowboys have a really famous cheerleading squad. In fact only 25 teams have cheerleaders; the other 7 don't. Can you name them?Bills, Bears, Browns, Packers, Giants, Chargers, Steelers
  119. @John Johnson
    @Up2Drew

    Because it’s essentially an unpaid apprenticeship. Lots of glamour industries have unpaid interns

    It's not an unpaid apprenticeship. An apprenticeship implies training for a higher level position. Most will not go to the MLB.

    And extending your window of playing baseball for a few years after school, even at subsistence wages, is fun. Playing for the local beer league isn’t the same – even if you’re in Low A, you’re playing with the best ~2500 players on Earth.

    Yea that is the MLB defense. They get to play baseball even if we pay them in peanuts.

    I don't get why the players put up with it. This is a case where a union is needed to set basic wages and working conditions. The teams have plenty of money and could pay them a basic salary.

    NFL cheerleaders need a union as well. They actually take a loss because they are paid nothing and have to cover their expenses.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber

    The baseball players union consists of major league players. They figure that doubling the minor leaguers’ pay would come out of their (flush) pockets.

    Thirty years ago I was told that you’d be better off spending age 19-21 playing for a good college baseball team than being in the minors in terms of quality of instruction and medical care. I don’t know if that’s true anymore. It seems like there are more 20 year olds who are stars than in the past, but the sample sizes are small.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Steve Sailer

    Minor league players need their own independent union.

    They can't have an MLB associated union where they are just told that low wages are fine cause you can make millions if you are called up. It makes more sense for MLB pitchers to be paid less and minor league players to be paid more. If anything it would make the MLB more entertaining to have an actual salary cap and not a tax.

    Thirty years ago I was told that you’d be better off spending age 19-21 playing for a good college baseball team than being in the minors in terms of quality of instruction and medical care. I don’t know if that’s true anymore.

    I'm sure it is still true for the better teams. They get a full ride so they don't have to figure out what to do in the off-season.

    With minor league they aren't even paid minimum wage. All the training and travel is unpaid. Employers can't do that with other types of jobs. Sports teams have a special exemption.

    But the MLB sells them all on the dream of being called up. That is the scam.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber, @Up2Drew

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Steve Sailer


    Thirty years ago I was told that you’d be better off spending age 19-21 playing for a good college baseball team than being in the minors in terms of quality of instruction and medical care.
     
    This is especially true if you are at least half-way intelligent. Someone like Mike Mussina was much better off being at Stanford than being surrounded by minor league baseball players. There are only so many stories about huntin' 'n' fishin' that someone with a triple-digit IQ can take.

    Billy Beane has said his only regret vis-à-vis baseball was signing with the Mets instead of going to Stanford. Beane's mother agreed to let him sign as long as the Mets were willing to pay for him to go to Stanford in the off season. Can anyone guess what the catch was?The Beanes had assumed that Stanford would allow Billy to be a student there without playing baseball for them. Stanford ended up pulling its admission. Obviously things worked out for Billy.

  120. @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    The baseball players union consists of major league players. They figure that doubling the minor leaguers' pay would come out of their (flush) pockets.

    Thirty years ago I was told that you'd be better off spending age 19-21 playing for a good college baseball team than being in the minors in terms of quality of instruction and medical care. I don't know if that's true anymore. It seems like there are more 20 year olds who are stars than in the past, but the sample sizes are small.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @ScarletNumber

    Minor league players need their own independent union.

    They can’t have an MLB associated union where they are just told that low wages are fine cause you can make millions if you are called up. It makes more sense for MLB pitchers to be paid less and minor league players to be paid more. If anything it would make the MLB more entertaining to have an actual salary cap and not a tax.

    Thirty years ago I was told that you’d be better off spending age 19-21 playing for a good college baseball team than being in the minors in terms of quality of instruction and medical care. I don’t know if that’s true anymore.

    I’m sure it is still true for the better teams. They get a full ride so they don’t have to figure out what to do in the off-season.

    With minor league they aren’t even paid minimum wage. All the training and travel is unpaid. Employers can’t do that with other types of jobs. Sports teams have a special exemption.

    But the MLB sells them all on the dream of being called up. That is the scam.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    My cousin got an MBA after hurting his arm in Double A minors. A high school friend hurt his arm at the same level and eventually became a doctor.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @John Johnson


    I’m sure it is still true for the better teams. They get a full ride so they don’t have to figure out what to do in the off-season.
     
    Very few college baseball players get a full ride, as the NCAA allows 11.7 scholarships to be split among 32 players. In basketball and football, all of the scholarships are indeed full rides.

    But the MLB sells [MiLB players] all on the dream of being called up. That is the scam.
     
    You are correct here. The problem is that each minor league team only has a couple of bona fide prospects. However, since baseball is a team sport you need to fill out the rosters. Therefore, they sign enough players for the actual prospects to play against. The scam is that they don't tell the players which ones are the bona fide prospects and which ones are the filler.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Up2Drew
    @John Johnson

    Well, wait, no. The travel and training is not unpaid. Unpaid travel would infer that the travel was coming out of the employee's pocket, this is not true with the minor leagues. Training is part of the gig; you practice and have coaches working with you from the organization.

    There is a conventional wisdom in organized baseball that each club drafts 28 players per year so they have someone to play catch with the two players the franchise is actually interested in developing. There is quite a bit of truth to this.

    Minor league players do have their own union - the Major League union ignores it.

    Raising the salaries of minor league players will simply lead to a Major League response of shuttering more affiliated minor league teams and thereby providing fewer opportunities for longshot hopefuls. This is already the trend.

    The central element of this dynamic is that nabbing a minor league roster spot is essentially equivalent to holding a lottery ticket. And that's why players "put up with it". It's no different than Hollywood waitresses laying down for movie casting directors - there are 100 people waiting in line for your opportunity.

  121. @John Johnson
    @Steve Sailer

    Minor league players need their own independent union.

    They can't have an MLB associated union where they are just told that low wages are fine cause you can make millions if you are called up. It makes more sense for MLB pitchers to be paid less and minor league players to be paid more. If anything it would make the MLB more entertaining to have an actual salary cap and not a tax.

    Thirty years ago I was told that you’d be better off spending age 19-21 playing for a good college baseball team than being in the minors in terms of quality of instruction and medical care. I don’t know if that’s true anymore.

    I'm sure it is still true for the better teams. They get a full ride so they don't have to figure out what to do in the off-season.

    With minor league they aren't even paid minimum wage. All the training and travel is unpaid. Employers can't do that with other types of jobs. Sports teams have a special exemption.

    But the MLB sells them all on the dream of being called up. That is the scam.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber, @Up2Drew

    My cousin got an MBA after hurting his arm in Double A minors. A high school friend hurt his arm at the same level and eventually became a doctor.

  122. @ScarletNumber
    In other news, John Hinckley is on Twitter. Yes, THAT John Hinckley, the one who is a fan of Jodie Foster and became famous 40 years ago.

    https://twitter.com/JohnHinckley20

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Cortes, @SteveRogers42, @Curle

    Jodie Foster…WNBA…I think I see what you did there.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @SteveRogers42

    Well I had to place my off-topic post somewhere, so I figured this was this best place for it 🙂

    I'm disappointed Steve didn't take the bait.

  123. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @PaceLaw


    Respectfully, your theory is deeply flawed on a number of levels: 1) the WNBA had been around for 24 years and they are still waiting for their one break out star. What other venture could ride out such a lengthy period of not having at least one marketable star?; 2) the reason why the WNBA will never have a breakout star is because it is too lesbian oriented. Other professional female sports leagues, such as tennis and golf, allow their participants to highlight and profit from their physical looks and beauty. The WNBA, in making players wear practically the same baggy uniforms that male players wear in the NBA, seems to want to hide the female appearance of its players. A very lesbian move. It is unreasonable to expect heterosexual men to be fans of a league that clearly has inferior talent if there are not even any attractive females to admire; and 3) Ronda Rousey was pretty much a flash in the pan and will likely not be duplicated anytime soon. Ronda is an attractive woman and is heterosexual, while I believe most of the dominant female MMA fighters are lesbians these days. None of these current crop of lesbian MMA fighters are coming near Ronda‘s box office popularity.
     
    The sweet spot for women's sports to be marketable is a game populated by somewhat pretty, photogenic, feminine, and wholesome girls who seem like they have good relationships with their fathers and will become happy upper middle class wives and mothers rather soon. This is essentially the formula which would attract white upper middle class fathers and daughters, where the fathers are looking for social outlets to keep their daughters off of drugs and from becoming boy crazy cum teen mothers.

    But female sports attracts butch lesbians like moths to the flame, and their more aggressive personalities seem to take over the culture of these institutions rather quickly. And of course in this age you can't ask Alphabet people to tone down their act when the organizing principle of their identity at this point is exhibitionist PRIDE! So these women's sports leagues crumble one after the next, turning from a plausible middle class consumer entertainment product into a pastime near exclusively for aggressive butch lesbians.

    Replies: @Marty T, @John Johnson, @SteveRogers42

    So maybe they should play shorts and skins?

  124. @aleksander
    @Hirflawdd

    Do you remember when the US Women's Soccer Team got beaten by a friggin" JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL men's team. And the score was 5-2!

    This was right before the womyns "won" the World Cup.

    https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

    Fer crying out loud....

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  125. @PaceLaw
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    “Are there any budding trans women WNBA competitors in the pipeline?”

    That’s a great question! My gut says the answer is no, but of course I do not follow the WNBA at all so I really don’t know.

    I believe this may highlight possible tension between lesbians and the trans community. After all, the WNBA is controlled by a strong lesbian element. Why would lesbians want to give up something they completely control to men who claim to be women? It is rather curious why some trans competitors have sought to invade certain women sports (MMA & track and field), but not the WNBA. Something tells me that a strong lesbian front has totally quashed any idea of trans players being signed up.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Griner occupies a grey area.

  126. @Bill Jones
    @Kratoklastes

    Federer once said, (But only once to my knowledge) that any man who plays tennis for a living could beat any woman.

    No word on if the Williams "sisters" were included in the latter.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    The Williams sisters have famously gotten beaten by men who were very low ranked, including Karsten Braasch, who was 203 at the time.

    Of course Billie Jean King beat Bobby Riggs, but it’s important to remember that he was 26 years older than she was. Also, Riggs was a notorious hustler, so who knows if he was giving 100 percent effort.

    • Replies: @res
    @ScarletNumber


    Riggs was a notorious hustler, so who knows if he was giving 100 percent effort.
     
    Especially given that not long before that he had destroyed Margaret Court (number 2 after King).
    https://www.tennismajors.com/our-features/on-this-day/may-13th-1973-the-day-bobby-riggs-massacred-margaret-court-245288.html
  127. @Reg Cæsar
    @C. Van Carter


    WNBA teams using the arenas in the off-season obstructs the creation of a rival league.

     

    Rival leagues are so 1970s. (And 1940s.) Do you see Providence, Syracuse, Rochester, Fort Wayne, and Quad (then Tri-) Cities trying to get their NBA franchises back? Or even Buffalo and Cincinnati?

    The hoops hotbeds of Virginia and Kentucky never bothered to replace their ABA teams, and Carolina lost their first NBA club to New Orleans.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    I think Carolina lost their NBA team for the same reason Cleveland and Houston lost their NFL teams; the public and the ownership had an ugly relationship. Once that was resolved, those leagues expanded back into those markets.

    It’s funny how you mention that the NBA has no plans on going back to Buffalo or Cincinnati. Tampa is the largest market that does not currently have a team (and has never had a team) but you could say that Orlando is close enough. But Seattle, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Diego, and Kansas City have all had NBA teams and only Seattle is on anyone’s shortlist for an expansion. With Baltimore you could argue that Washington is close enough while San Diego is hampered by the two LA teams, but Missouri is a forgotten land for the NBA.

    The NBA has 29 teams in the US, but 4 of them share 2 markets, so there are 27 markets that have teams. The NFL is the most expansive with 32 teams in 30 markets. Due to its socialist financial structure and teams only having 8 or 9 home games per year, the NFL has the most flexibility with where it places its teams.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @ScarletNumber


    Due to its socialist financial structure and teams only having 8 or 9 home games per year, the NFL has the most flexibility with where it places its teams.
     
    Green Bay's primary threat has always been Milwaukee; their answer was two or three games there a season. Bud Selig solved this for good by demanding, and getting, a baseball-only stadium for the city. The NFL put pressure at times on the Packers to move south, but the club's bylaws prohibited it.

    With two home games a month rather than 10 or 15, people are willing to travel. According to Facebook's statistics (which change, but never by much), the Pack owns the entire state, plus a number of counties in the UP and neutral Iowa. And, due to their storied history, a number of unclaimed counties across the land. Only the Cardinals are older, and they keep moving.

    Interestingly, the "Milwaukee" Packers survive in that there are still two season-ticket streams. One just has a three-hour drive on Sunday. It's also not impossible to get tickets to Lambeau. Many of the season tickets belong to bus tour companies, and they offer weekend packages. My in-laws went on one of these. You only have to wait two or three years rather than two or three generations.

  128. @SteveRogers42
    @ScarletNumber

    Jodie Foster...WNBA...I think I see what you did there.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Well I had to place my off-topic post somewhere, so I figured this was this best place for it 🙂

    I’m disappointed Steve didn’t take the bait.

  129. @Marty T
    @Tom F.

    This is true. Lots of NBA former players have coached in the WNBA. Bill Laimbeer is one. I think he's still there.

    The way to make women's sports popular is to accentuate sports where they are attractive (obv not bball) and show that off. Otherwise leagues like the WNBA are basically marketing just to lesbians, even while ESPN promotes it endlessly.

    Of course you can't actually say that. Some old soccer guy once said the women soccer players should wear skimpier outfits and got slammed for it.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Carbon blob

    You should read the other replies before you make yours.

  130. @John Johnson
    @Steve Sailer

    Minor league players need their own independent union.

    They can't have an MLB associated union where they are just told that low wages are fine cause you can make millions if you are called up. It makes more sense for MLB pitchers to be paid less and minor league players to be paid more. If anything it would make the MLB more entertaining to have an actual salary cap and not a tax.

    Thirty years ago I was told that you’d be better off spending age 19-21 playing for a good college baseball team than being in the minors in terms of quality of instruction and medical care. I don’t know if that’s true anymore.

    I'm sure it is still true for the better teams. They get a full ride so they don't have to figure out what to do in the off-season.

    With minor league they aren't even paid minimum wage. All the training and travel is unpaid. Employers can't do that with other types of jobs. Sports teams have a special exemption.

    But the MLB sells them all on the dream of being called up. That is the scam.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber, @Up2Drew

    I’m sure it is still true for the better teams. They get a full ride so they don’t have to figure out what to do in the off-season.

    Very few college baseball players get a full ride, as the NCAA allows 11.7 scholarships to be split among 32 players. In basketball and football, all of the scholarships are indeed full rides.

    But the MLB sells [MiLB players] all on the dream of being called up. That is the scam.

    You are correct here. The problem is that each minor league team only has a couple of bona fide prospects. However, since baseball is a team sport you need to fill out the rosters. Therefore, they sign enough players for the actual prospects to play against. The scam is that they don’t tell the players which ones are the bona fide prospects and which ones are the filler.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @ScarletNumber

    Very few college baseball players get a full ride, as the NCAA allows 11.7 scholarships to be split among 32 players. In basketball and football, all of the scholarships are indeed full rides.

    Yea but that is only for NCAA division 1 and there are other divisions and leagues.

    It's crazy as to how many sports scholarships are out there for small or private colleges. Even if most are not technically full ride they cover the tuition and a baseball player can work a campus job in the off season to cover the rest. Still much better than AAA.

    Heck I knew a guy that had baseball scholarship at a junior college.

    The colleges use sports scholarships to help boost their diversity points. They will give out scholarships for sports that no one is even watching. It's pretty ridiculous given that the other students are forced to subsidize them.

    Therefore, they sign enough players for the actual prospects to play against. The scam is that they don’t tell the players which ones are the bona fide prospects and which ones are the filler.

    The sad thing which you probably know is that they can go right back to the minors after getting their big break. They have a few bad games and back they go. Or they were just covering for someone else and are sent back unnoticed.

  131. @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    The baseball players union consists of major league players. They figure that doubling the minor leaguers' pay would come out of their (flush) pockets.

    Thirty years ago I was told that you'd be better off spending age 19-21 playing for a good college baseball team than being in the minors in terms of quality of instruction and medical care. I don't know if that's true anymore. It seems like there are more 20 year olds who are stars than in the past, but the sample sizes are small.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @ScarletNumber

    Thirty years ago I was told that you’d be better off spending age 19-21 playing for a good college baseball team than being in the minors in terms of quality of instruction and medical care.

    This is especially true if you are at least half-way intelligent. Someone like Mike Mussina was much better off being at Stanford than being surrounded by minor league baseball players. There are only so many stories about huntin’ ‘n’ fishin’ that someone with a triple-digit IQ can take.

    Billy Beane has said his only regret vis-à-vis baseball was signing with the Mets instead of going to Stanford. Beane’s mother agreed to let him sign as long as the Mets were willing to pay for him to go to Stanford in the off season. Can anyone guess what the catch was?

    [MORE]
    The Beanes had assumed that Stanford would allow Billy to be a student there without playing baseball for them. Stanford ended up pulling its admission. Obviously things worked out for Billy.

  132. @Feryl
    @ScarletNumber

    Laimbeer has been a great white hate for eons, but the funny thing is that off the court he's been perfectly well adjusted. It's interesting how some hated white athletes end up living uneventful lives while countless black ones regardless of their reputation end up being disgraces. Christian Leattner is another good example, mocked for his arrogance and being a sort of pretty boy, then settled into a decent NBA career, retired, and has stayed out of trouble.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    On a Detroit Pistons team of thugs called the Bad Boys, which included the likes of Rick Mahorn and Dennis Rodman, raised-in-privilege Laimbeer was the dirtiest player.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThHiVDaVmbQ

    He’s been with the WNBA forever because, other than an assistant coaching job a decade ago, nobody will give him a job in the real league. Two of his former teammates were GMs and they wouldn’t even hire him.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Brutusale


    raised-in-privilege Laimbeer was the dirtiest player
     
    Ironically he is an alumnus of the University of Notre Dame. In an early-career profile of him in Sports Illustrated Laimbeer famously said that he was the only NBA player who has a lower salary than his father, who was an executive with Owens, the glassmaker.

    Two of his former teammates were GMs and they wouldn’t even hire him.
     
    The irony is that the New York Liberty hired Isiah as their president while Laimbeer was already their coach.
    , @Feryl
    @Brutusale

    Still not a rapist, child abuser, or wife beater, unlike many modern pro athletes with criminal records.

  133. @Marty T
    @Tom F.

    This is true. Lots of NBA former players have coached in the WNBA. Bill Laimbeer is one. I think he's still there.

    The way to make women's sports popular is to accentuate sports where they are attractive (obv not bball) and show that off. Otherwise leagues like the WNBA are basically marketing just to lesbians, even while ESPN promotes it endlessly.

    Of course you can't actually say that. Some old soccer guy once said the women soccer players should wear skimpier outfits and got slammed for it.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Carbon blob

    Check out NCAA women’s soccer when you get a chance.

    You’re welcome.

  134. @John Johnson
    @Up2Drew

    Because it’s essentially an unpaid apprenticeship. Lots of glamour industries have unpaid interns

    It's not an unpaid apprenticeship. An apprenticeship implies training for a higher level position. Most will not go to the MLB.

    And extending your window of playing baseball for a few years after school, even at subsistence wages, is fun. Playing for the local beer league isn’t the same – even if you’re in Low A, you’re playing with the best ~2500 players on Earth.

    Yea that is the MLB defense. They get to play baseball even if we pay them in peanuts.

    I don't get why the players put up with it. This is a case where a union is needed to set basic wages and working conditions. The teams have plenty of money and could pay them a basic salary.

    NFL cheerleaders need a union as well. They actually take a loss because they are paid nothing and have to cover their expenses.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber

    NFL cheerleaders need a union as well. They actually take a loss because they are paid nothing and have to cover their expenses.

    This is correct because there are many more women wanting to be cheerleaders than there are spots available for them. They lose money on their NFL gigs but make it up in appearance fees. Not saying this is correct but it’s the way it is. If there was a union then they could guarantee a minimum fee per game as well having their expenses covered. Of course the NFL might retaliate and eliminate cheerleaders altogether. Only the Dallas Cowboys have a really famous cheerleading squad. In fact only 25 teams have cheerleaders; the other 7 don’t. Can you name them?

    [MORE]
    Bills, Bears, Browns, Packers, Giants, Chargers, Steelers

  135. @Brutusale
    @Feryl

    On a Detroit Pistons team of thugs called the Bad Boys, which included the likes of Rick Mahorn and Dennis Rodman, raised-in-privilege Laimbeer was the dirtiest player.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM-IKDa8PiI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThHiVDaVmbQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRqFFsaxCjA

    He's been with the WNBA forever because, other than an assistant coaching job a decade ago, nobody will give him a job in the real league. Two of his former teammates were GMs and they wouldn't even hire him.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Feryl

    raised-in-privilege Laimbeer was the dirtiest player

    Ironically he is an alumnus of the University of Notre Dame. In an early-career profile of him in Sports Illustrated Laimbeer famously said that he was the only NBA player who has a lower salary than his father, who was an executive with Owens, the glassmaker.

    Two of his former teammates were GMs and they wouldn’t even hire him.

    The irony is that the New York Liberty hired Isiah as their president while Laimbeer was already their coach.

  136. @Up2Drew
    @Barnard

    They ended up in the Pritzker Pavilion (bandshell) which seats 4,000 and has a grassy seating area for an additional 7,000. I work across the street from this facility.

    I actually wondered, when the ladies won the title, "Are they actually going to have a parade?" Because despite most of my friends having an avid interest in professional sports, and working at a firm with lots and lots of Empowered Women, I never heard one conversation in Chicago regarding the Sky, nor do I know one person who could name a rostered player.

    So that being said - it's not the players fault. I frankly think it would be dispiriting and a little humiliating the have such a public display of disinterest in your team, so I wondered if a parade was such a good idea. In comparison, Chicago jammed the Pritzker to celebrate the cheating Jackie Robinson Little League team a few years back.

    Replies: @Barnard

    Thanks, based on the pictures inside the bandshell how many people do you think were there? It looks like 500-600 at the most to me.

  137. @John Johnson
    @Steve Sailer

    Minor league players need their own independent union.

    They can't have an MLB associated union where they are just told that low wages are fine cause you can make millions if you are called up. It makes more sense for MLB pitchers to be paid less and minor league players to be paid more. If anything it would make the MLB more entertaining to have an actual salary cap and not a tax.

    Thirty years ago I was told that you’d be better off spending age 19-21 playing for a good college baseball team than being in the minors in terms of quality of instruction and medical care. I don’t know if that’s true anymore.

    I'm sure it is still true for the better teams. They get a full ride so they don't have to figure out what to do in the off-season.

    With minor league they aren't even paid minimum wage. All the training and travel is unpaid. Employers can't do that with other types of jobs. Sports teams have a special exemption.

    But the MLB sells them all on the dream of being called up. That is the scam.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber, @Up2Drew

    Well, wait, no. The travel and training is not unpaid. Unpaid travel would infer that the travel was coming out of the employee’s pocket, this is not true with the minor leagues. Training is part of the gig; you practice and have coaches working with you from the organization.

    There is a conventional wisdom in organized baseball that each club drafts 28 players per year so they have someone to play catch with the two players the franchise is actually interested in developing. There is quite a bit of truth to this.

    Minor league players do have their own union – the Major League union ignores it.

    Raising the salaries of minor league players will simply lead to a Major League response of shuttering more affiliated minor league teams and thereby providing fewer opportunities for longshot hopefuls. This is already the trend.

    The central element of this dynamic is that nabbing a minor league roster spot is essentially equivalent to holding a lottery ticket. And that’s why players “put up with it”. It’s no different than Hollywood waitresses laying down for movie casting directors – there are 100 people waiting in line for your opportunity.

  138. @ScarletNumber
    @John Johnson


    I’m sure it is still true for the better teams. They get a full ride so they don’t have to figure out what to do in the off-season.
     
    Very few college baseball players get a full ride, as the NCAA allows 11.7 scholarships to be split among 32 players. In basketball and football, all of the scholarships are indeed full rides.

    But the MLB sells [MiLB players] all on the dream of being called up. That is the scam.
     
    You are correct here. The problem is that each minor league team only has a couple of bona fide prospects. However, since baseball is a team sport you need to fill out the rosters. Therefore, they sign enough players for the actual prospects to play against. The scam is that they don't tell the players which ones are the bona fide prospects and which ones are the filler.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Very few college baseball players get a full ride, as the NCAA allows 11.7 scholarships to be split among 32 players. In basketball and football, all of the scholarships are indeed full rides.

    Yea but that is only for NCAA division 1 and there are other divisions and leagues.

    It’s crazy as to how many sports scholarships are out there for small or private colleges. Even if most are not technically full ride they cover the tuition and a baseball player can work a campus job in the off season to cover the rest. Still much better than AAA.

    Heck I knew a guy that had baseball scholarship at a junior college.

    The colleges use sports scholarships to help boost their diversity points. They will give out scholarships for sports that no one is even watching. It’s pretty ridiculous given that the other students are forced to subsidize them.

    Therefore, they sign enough players for the actual prospects to play against. The scam is that they don’t tell the players which ones are the bona fide prospects and which ones are the filler.

    The sad thing which you probably know is that they can go right back to the minors after getting their big break. They have a few bad games and back they go. Or they were just covering for someone else and are sent back unnoticed.

  139. @JLK
    They are leveraging facilities and personnel during the offseason that they otherwise couldn't and getting good publicity for being "progressive."

    But I think they hope to make a profit some day.

    Replies: @Curle

    Wouldn’t bikini basketball be a better bet?

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Curle

    I’m surprised someone hasn’t started a summer beach volleyball league for TV yet.

    Replies: @res

  140. @ScarletNumber
    In other news, John Hinckley is on Twitter. Yes, THAT John Hinckley, the one who is a fan of Jodie Foster and became famous 40 years ago.

    https://twitter.com/JohnHinckley20

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Cortes, @SteveRogers42, @Curle

    Does he say anything about the Bushes?

  141. @LondonBob
    They have been pushing women's football so hard here in Britain for the past few years, even though there is no appetite for it. There is no hidden motive, it is just the media and advertising executives being hardcore lefty activists pushing minoritarianism, all ideology.

    Replies: @Hirflawdd, @Cortes, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Bill Jones, @Curle

    What’s not to like?

  142. @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar

    I think Carolina lost their NBA team for the same reason Cleveland and Houston lost their NFL teams; the public and the ownership had an ugly relationship. Once that was resolved, those leagues expanded back into those markets.

    It's funny how you mention that the NBA has no plans on going back to Buffalo or Cincinnati. Tampa is the largest market that does not currently have a team (and has never had a team) but you could say that Orlando is close enough. But Seattle, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Diego, and Kansas City have all had NBA teams and only Seattle is on anyone's shortlist for an expansion. With Baltimore you could argue that Washington is close enough while San Diego is hampered by the two LA teams, but Missouri is a forgotten land for the NBA.

    The NBA has 29 teams in the US, but 4 of them share 2 markets, so there are 27 markets that have teams. The NFL is the most expansive with 32 teams in 30 markets. Due to its socialist financial structure and teams only having 8 or 9 home games per year, the NFL has the most flexibility with where it places its teams.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Due to its socialist financial structure and teams only having 8 or 9 home games per year, the NFL has the most flexibility with where it places its teams.

    Green Bay’s primary threat has always been Milwaukee; their answer was two or three games there a season. Bud Selig solved this for good by demanding, and getting, a baseball-only stadium for the city. The NFL put pressure at times on the Packers to move south, but the club’s bylaws prohibited it.

    With two home games a month rather than 10 or 15, people are willing to travel. According to Facebook’s statistics (which change, but never by much), the Pack owns the entire state, plus a number of counties in the UP and neutral Iowa. And, due to their storied history, a number of unclaimed counties across the land. Only the Cardinals are older, and they keep moving.

    Interestingly, the “Milwaukee” Packers survive in that there are still two season-ticket streams. One just has a three-hour drive on Sunday. It’s also not impossible to get tickets to Lambeau. Many of the season tickets belong to bus tour companies, and they offer weekend packages. My in-laws went on one of these. You only have to wait two or three years rather than two or three generations.

  143. @Curle
    @JLK

    Wouldn’t bikini basketball be a better bet?

    Replies: @Corn

    I’m surprised someone hasn’t started a summer beach volleyball league for TV yet.

    • Replies: @res
    @Corn

    Beach volleyball pro leagues exist both in the US and world wide.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Volleyball_Professionals
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIVB_Beach_Volleyball_World_Tour

    Not sure why it has not been able to escape its niche.

  144. @Brutusale
    @Feryl

    On a Detroit Pistons team of thugs called the Bad Boys, which included the likes of Rick Mahorn and Dennis Rodman, raised-in-privilege Laimbeer was the dirtiest player.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM-IKDa8PiI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThHiVDaVmbQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRqFFsaxCjA

    He's been with the WNBA forever because, other than an assistant coaching job a decade ago, nobody will give him a job in the real league. Two of his former teammates were GMs and they wouldn't even hire him.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Feryl

    Still not a rapist, child abuser, or wife beater, unlike many modern pro athletes with criminal records.

  145. On the topic of sports, I’m glad the two WS teams are from anti-leftist ststes. Will woke sportswriters boycott the WS?

  146. @Marty T
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    And you have situations like the US women's soccer team, mostly straight but with lesbian leadership (Rapinoe) that poisons the atmosphere.

    Replies: @meh

    And you have situations like the US women’s soccer team, mostly straight but with lesbian leadership (Rapinoe) that poisons the atmosphere.

    This is mostly a very recent thing in women’s soccer; 30, 20, even 10 years ago the USWNT were almost all white middle class college girls who got married and had families and who weren’t political. They mostly still are, but they now defer to the wokest amongst them. Trump Derangement Syndrome accelerated this.

    In spite of recent SJW/SWPL/hipster/antifa invasion of American soccer fandom, most American soccer fans don’t care about women’s soccer. The USWNT is a thing, but the various professional women’s soccer leagues and clubs come and go with barely any attention being paid to them by American soccer fans.

  147. @ScarletNumber
    @Bill Jones

    The Williams sisters have famously gotten beaten by men who were very low ranked, including Karsten Braasch, who was 203 at the time.

    Of course Billie Jean King beat Bobby Riggs, but it's important to remember that he was 26 years older than she was. Also, Riggs was a notorious hustler, so who knows if he was giving 100 percent effort.

    Replies: @res

    Riggs was a notorious hustler, so who knows if he was giving 100 percent effort.

    Especially given that not long before that he had destroyed Margaret Court (number 2 after King).
    https://www.tennismajors.com/our-features/on-this-day/may-13th-1973-the-day-bobby-riggs-massacred-margaret-court-245288.html

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  148. @Corn
    @Curle

    I’m surprised someone hasn’t started a summer beach volleyball league for TV yet.

    Replies: @res

    Beach volleyball pro leagues exist both in the US and world wide.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Volleyball_Professionals
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIVB_Beach_Volleyball_World_Tour

    Not sure why it has not been able to escape its niche.

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