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From the New York Times opinion page:

Why Did Racial Progress Stall in America?
The answer may show us the path out of our fractured and polarized present.

By Shaylyn Romney Garrett and Robert D. Putnam
Robert D. Putnam is a political scientist. Shaylyn Romney Garrett is a writer.

Dec. 4, 2020

… In our book, “The Upswing: How America Came Together a Century Ago and How We Can Do It Again,” we examine century-long data, tracking outcomes by race in health, education, income, wealth and voting. What we found surprised us.

In terms of material well-being, Black Americans were moving toward parity with white Americans well before the victories of the civil rights era. What’s more, after the passage of civil rights legislation, those trends toward racial parity slowed, stopped and even reversed. …

In measure after measure, positive change for Black Americans was actually faster in the decades before the civil rights revolution than in the decades after. For example,

The life expectancy gap between Black and white Americans narrowed most rapidly between about 1905 and 1947, after which the rate of improvement was much more modest. And by 1995 the life expectancy ratio was the same as it had been in 1961. There has been some progress in the ensuing two decades, but this is due in part to an increase in premature deaths among working-class whites.

The Black/white ratio of high school completion improved dramatically between the 1940s and the early 1970s, after which it slowed, never reaching parity. College completion followed the same trajectory until 1970, then sharply reversed.

Racial integration in K-12 education at the national level began much earlier than is often believed. It accelerated sharply in the wake of the 1954 Supreme Court decision, Brown v. Board of Education. But this trend leveled off in the early 1970s, followed by a modest trend toward resegregation.

Income by race converged at the greatest rate between 1940 and 1970. However, as of 2018, Black/white income disparities were almost exactly the same as they were in 1968, 50 years earlier. Even taking into account the emergence of the Black middle class, Black Americans on the whole have experienced flat or downward mobility in recent decades.

The racial gap in homeownership steadily narrowed between 1900 and 1970, then stagnated, then reversed. The racial wealth gap is now growing as Black homeownership plummets.

Long-run data on national trends in voting by race is patchy, but the South saw a dramatic increase in Black voter registration between 1940 and 1970, followed by decline and stagnation. What data we have on national Black voter turnout indicate that nearly all of the gains toward equality with white voter turnout occurred between 1952 and 1964, before the Voting Rights Act passed, then almost entirely halted for the rest of the century.

These data reveal a too-slow but unmistakable climb toward racial parity throughout most of the century that begins to flatline around 1970 — a picture quite unlike the hockey stick of historical shorthand.

We draw attention to the unexpected shape and timing of these trends not as an attempt to argue that things are or were better for Black Americans than they might appear. Quite the contrary. Gains on the part of Black Americans — though clear and surprisingly steady during the first two-thirds of the 20th century — were due almost entirely to their fleeing the South by the millions during the Great Migration. Starting new lives in cities such as Chicago, Los Angeles and Philadelphia meant access to better health care, education and economic opportunities. But these destinations, too, were characterized by a persistent reality of exclusion, segregation and racial violence. …

In the last half-century, however, that collective progress has halted, and many who fought so hard for this progress have now lived to see it reversed. …

It is against this backdrop of stillborn hopes and intergenerational reversals that Black Lives Matter protesters have taken to the streets. The recent police killings have undoubtedly been sparks in the dry tinder boxes of over-policed Black communities.

Judging by the huge increase in black-on-black shootings during the Racial Reckonings, Black communities are no longer oppressed by being over-policed.

But those communities are also situated within a parched landscape of stagnant progress toward racial parity, half a century after the passage of landmark Civil Rights legislation, and a century and a half after Reconstruction….

But if Black Americans’ advance toward parity with whites in many dimensions had been underway for decades before the Civil Rights revolution, why then, when the dam of legal exclusion finally broke, didn’t those trends accelerate toward full equality? Why was the last third of the 20th century characterized by a marked deceleration of progress, and in some cases even a reversal?

We have two answers to these questions.

The first is simple and familiar: White backlash.

Who can forget the Watts Riots of 1965 when Los Angeles whites took to the streets of South-Central L.A. and burned down black-owned businesses? Or the election of white candidate Tom Bradley as mayor of L.A. in 1973, beginning five terms of whites-only rule? Or the election of Coleman Young on the White Power ticket as mayor of Detroit in 1974?

Seriously, two more reasonable explanations are:

  1. That once Jim Crow was gone, blacks fairly quickly reached their level of accomplishment, no longer held down by an elaborate caste system in the South, and have been at about that level ever since.
  2. That the liberalism of the 1960s-1970s (e.g., generous welfare for single mothers and soft-on-crime policies) was bad for black culture, just as the black murder rate has gone up during the Black Lives Matter era.
 
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  1. Mike Tre says:

    “Why Did Racial Progress Stall in America?
    The answer may show us the path out of our fractured and polarized present.”

    I think it’s pretty simple: Blacks as a group require intensive local authority in order to function adequately in modern western society.

    The rest is just noise.

    • Agree: Pheasant, Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  2. By every standard you can measure….blacks were much better off before “civil rights.”

    Prior to the left “helping” blacks with desegregation, blacks had thriving businesses, an intact family unit, a much lower rate of illegitimacy, strong churches and church attendance, lower rates of crime and substance abuse, etc.etc.etc.

    Welfare incentivized single motherhood….and fatherless boys do MASSIVE crime. Out of wedlock births are now 76%, the more intelligent (leadership class) fled to white hoods to escape high crime leaving blacks without decent leaders, substance abuse and gang crime exploded, the entire family structure was destroyed, and now blacks are dependent on govt. handouts.

    Johnson famously quipped that he’d give the blacks handouts and have them voting Dem for the next 100 years.

    He was right.

  3. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:

    The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.

    If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be conducted successfully. When affairs cannot be conducted successfully, propriety will not flourish. When propriety does not flourish, punishments will not be properly meted out. When punishments are not properly meted out, the people will not know how to conduct themselves. – Confucius

    Or as some say in flyover, “Stop pissing on my shoes and telling me it’s raining”.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Random Anonymous
  4. tertius says:

    “What’s more, after the passage of civil rights legislation, those trends toward racial parity slowed, stopped and even reversed. …”

    Maybe it’s time to reconsider segregation. Separate but Equal might be the winning combination.

    • Replies: @znon
  5. Thomm says:

    Speaking of blacks and civil rights, the 30-year anniversary of the last good black sitcom, ‘The Fresh Prince of Bel Air’, was released on HBO Max.

    This led me to discover that back in the mid-1990s, when Ron Unz had a hairline, he apparently made a cameo on this show.

    Here he is as ‘Hendricks’, receiving a dressing down from momentarily incarcerated Judge Philip Banks. RUnzie Baby’s brief stint in Hollywood got him some screentime with future megastar Will Smith himself :

  6. tyrone says:

    Is that “bowling alone ” Robert Putnam?…..”white backlash”???must have been a drought of dinner party invites….that’s ok Bobby ,throw whitey under the bus.

    • Agree: Kylie, SIMP simp
    • Replies: @RonaldB
  7. Trelane says:

    Why Did Racial Progress Stall in America?

    Because in a hierarchy every person tends to rise to his level of incompetence viz. The Peter Principle.

    • Agree: jamie b.
  8. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Garcetti has banned all travel in LA, even walking, supposedly due to Covid. Covid’s been churning for several months now in LA, yet suddenly Garcetti has gone bananas and wants everyone off the streets.

    I bet it has nothing to do with Covid, and everything to do with the showdown over the presidency, which is getting close. If Trump wins, Garcetti wants to prevent riots like those in Minneapolis, New York, Chicago, etc. He doesn’t want LA’s economy to go up in smoke because of looting blacks. Garcetti is using Covid as an excuse to round up and arrest criminal blacks and anyone else if they start to loot. He can also prevent anyone who wants to film the cops arresting blacks.

  9. Also, black culture went from Marvin Gaye, The Supremes, and Sidney Poitier, to Gansta Rap.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend, jamie b.
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  10. Lot says:

    I don’t think black crime had much effect on income gaps, even if it made quality of life much lower for those near blacks.

    “ Income by race converged at the greatest rate between 1940 and 1970.”

    This points to the fact that black fortunes are similar to the bottom fifth of the non hispanic white population, whose own economic fortunes also peaked 1970-1977. Both groups too were hit hard by mass third world migration and automation/outsourcing of farm, factory, and low skill physical labor overall.

    “ The life expectancy gap between Black and white Americans narrowed most rapidly between about 1905 and 1947”

    They moved in large numbers from poor rural areas with no medical care or public sanitation to cities.

    “Seriously, two more reasonable explanations are:”

    I agree completely with the first conclusion.

    On the culture issue, I agree as well, but I also have to admit there’s contrary evidence. For example, black welfare transfers peaked 1972-1981. Reagan cut the programs heavily, and Gingrich more still.

    Aren’t Donna Summer and The Jacksons a high point of black culture, which kept degrading to new lows even as AFDC was cut more than 50% and state programs were eliminated completely? Crime and births to girls under 16 peaked in the 1980s after the excesses of 1960s and 1970s started to be rolled back.

    • Replies: @Michelle
  11. @Robert Dolan

    Yes. Black people, on the whole, had much more self-respect in the earlier era, even though they didn’t advertise it to anywhere near the degree they do now. Sort of ironic.

    The various pathologies which characterise way too much of black culture today were trivial back then by comparison. We now have a society which disparages personal responsibility and celebrates every kind of immorality, and is much more racist than ever before. Also sort of ironic.

    I’ve seen single black moms struggling with their sons. It can’t be easy. Our cultural propaganda makes it nigh impossible. No one dares tell kids that they shouldn’t have kids of their own, outside a stable family unit. The results are everywhere.

    • Replies: @donut
  12. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    Black witchcraft and belief in the healing powers of older black women is being profiled here and there:

    Why are so many turning to Black herbalists? Their remedies are tailor-made for 2020
    https://www.latimes.com/lifestyle/story/2020-12-04/black-herbalists-blm-stress-relief-products

    ‘We’re reclaiming these traditions’: Black women embrace the spiritual realm
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/we-re-reclaiming-these-traditions-black-women-embrace-spiritual-realm-n1245488

    Black women in particular have launched Black girl magik meetups, witchcraft conventions, hoodoo festivals and goth clothing lines. In addition to writing about tarot, they’ve written books about witchcraft, astrology and the Black gothic, tying these traditions to their cultural and artistic heritage.

    But the desire to heal is the major reason these practices appeal to Black women, according to Yvonne P. Chireau, a professor and chair of the religion department at Swarthmore College and author of the 2003 book “Black Magic: Religion and the African American Conjuring Tradition.”

    Although honestly I think that white women, controlling for IQ, are just as ditzy.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  13. t says:

    How about a flood of cheep labor holding down black wages?

    • Agree: botazefa
  14. Cato says:

    once Jim Crow was gone, blacks fairly quickly reached their level of accomplishment, no longer held down by an elaborate caste system in the South, and have been at about that level ever since.

    Occam’s razor suggests that one should select this as the most parsimonious explanation.

    One should also think of the unintended consequences of all our well-intended policies. Anything subsidized grows: TANF, SNAP, Section 8, heating assistance, free school lunches and breakfasts, free preK-12 education, Pell grants, etc, etc. We are subsidizing the reproduction of the least able people. The crop of neck and face tatooed carjackers that bedevil our streets have been brought into being by the good intentions of people like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

    It’s a shame to see Robert Putnam sink to the level of blaming “white backlash” for this. He had been a “noticer”, on a par with Charles Murray, though with a different perspective. Perhaps he has been affected by this Trump-era ideological war, just as my friends have: pushed into a corner, they have been less interested in the truth, and more eager to do noble combat against the evil adversaries.

  15. Beliavsky says:

    I expected Steve to mention that work has become more g-loaded (dependent on intelligence), which disadvantages a race with average IQ of 85.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  16. JackOH says:

    America’s bullshit “civil rights” legislation unleashed the Black canaille. “Talented tenth” Blacks will quietly admit to that in a roundabout way. Plenty of complications and nuances in the mix, such as affirmative action favoring White women over Dujuan in the ‘hood.

    Talented and conscientious Blacks did benefit from “civil rights”, getting jobs from which they’d been barred by common practice, moving into neighborhoods that had otherwise been closed to them, etc.

    Left behind was the Black canaille. “Talented tenth” Blacks had fled, Whites were cowed by being smeared as “racist”, so the worst instincts of the Black canaille were unleashed and made apparently normal.

    We’re living with the awful consequences of that to this day. Both Whites and Blacks and everyone else.

  17. How about: America has been sliding downhill overall since 1970, with blacks sliding even more than whites. Striving for equality is just one of many things that America can’t do as well as it could 50 years ago. Personally, I look at the Apollo 17 mission returning from the moon for the last time one month before the Supreme Court decided the U.S. Constitution includes a right to abort fetuses, and I wonder if the nation turned its back on the blessings of God available to it. Secularists can formulate that idea in their own secular terms if inclined.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Olwein Ollie
  18. Kronos says:
    @Robert Dolan

    I thought he was going for the 200 year mark.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  19. Robert Penn Warren said it decades ago: without segregation, otherwise qualified blacks, if able to go to Harvard Medical School and then establish practices on Park Avenue, would do so. Etc. The black communities back home would gradually lose the professional classes, and begin to implode.

    Alternatively, you could just send them all to Africa and let them reproduce segregated Harlem there. Call it Wakanda if that offends you.

    • Agree: Pheasant
  20. Anon7 says:

    In just a few months, blacks will lose their status as America’s most beloved and most pitied minority.

    A federal judge has reversed the Trump administration’s latest round of rules placing further limits on the Obama-era program that shields undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children from deportation.

    Under the order filed Friday, Judge Nicholas Garaufis of U.S. District Court in Brooklyn instructed the Department of Homeland Security to begin accepting new applications for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program as soon as Monday.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/12/04/943355234/judge-orders-trump-administration-to-restore-daca-as-it-existed-under-obama

    Now add in Biden’s determination to provide a path to citizenship for the 10-20 million people here illegally.

    I don’t think any of these new Americans are going to pay reparations, or fall for any of the various forms of race grifting, do you?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  21. BenKenobi says:
    @Thomm

    Harpreet, the manager is already on your back for inadequate customer service, there are a million people on hold, and now you’re posting Fresh Prince clips to some obscure Nazi Golf Course Architecture blog!?

    Go see Shaniqua in HR. You have to sign your second performance warning.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @iDeplorable
  22. Arclight says:

    Moving to the North with lots of good jobs in factories for those with limited education or skills undoubtedly helped. But as the workforce for manufacturing declined, it probably affected blacks the first and the most, as there were no comparable employment opportunities to replace them. Toss in badly misguided social policies and we have experienced a social disaster.

    They were then sold on the transformative promise of college education, with the result that culturally they place a high premium on credentialism while being fleeced like no other group by the higher ed industry. That has led to the current moment of millions of people with useless degrees and no practical skills believing only a systemic force organized solely to hold them back is responsible for all the disappointments.

  23. Anonymous[301] • Disclaimer says:

    That once Jim Crow was gone, blacks fairly quickly reached their level of accomplishment, no longer held down by an elaborate caste system in the South, and have been at about that level ever since.

    Blacks were never “held down.” That is a myth. Whites simply wanted to preserve White communities and protect them from black crime.

    Whites wanted to live apart. Is that “oppression”?

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  24. Anonymous[301] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    That has led to the current moment of millions of people with useless degrees and no practical skills

    What practical skills do you have in mind for them?

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  25. notsaying says:

    Things that hit the fan for Blacks around 1970: Black fathers disappearing and Black marriage rates plummetting; deindustrialization; lots more whites going to college on financial aid; drug use and selling by blacks going way up; rising crime rates.

    Plus let us not forget the ability of white people to replace black labor with Hispanic labor due to mass illegal migration and stagnation of wages that has now lasted decades and loss of labor union membership.

    What does Putnam say in his book about its actual subject, which is “Upswing”? As the quotes show, recent Black history is a lot more about downswing. Certainly there are no easy answers. Things over the past 50 years have been on a downswing for many Whites too.

    • Agree: JimmyGee
    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    , @dvorak
  26. Why Did Blacks Make More Progress Before Civil Rights Than After?

    Charles Murray’s Losing Ground answered that way back in 1984. Thoroughly, and without resort to protective stupidity.

    • Agree: Gary in Gramercy
    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Charon
    , @Peter Johnson
  27. Lot says:
    @Thomm

    That’s Mark C. Phelan, who actually will be playing Mr. Unz in the upcoming Lifetime Movies Kamala Harris biopic

    • LOL: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Anonymous
  28. guest says:

    Might I be so bold as to flip the question around. Why would “civil rights” and all that jazz help blacks? I never assumed they would help anyone who couldn’t help themselves. And though blacks in specific circumstances can help themselves, they’re not good at governing themselves. (See every black nation ever.)

    Reading back upon Midcentury Liberalism, I am reminded of how silly and/or mendacious were reformers and social engineers. Though I can discern some reasons to believe (as Rod Stewart put it), that all disappears with hindsight. Now I know they were wrong, and why.

    It’s not even a matter of me looking down on the black. Heck, I think they could do better despite their shortcomings. Liberals of the post-war pre-PC era in many cases had a much worse opinion of them than I do. Only they considered it the fault of a civilization that can’t be fixed the way they want it fixed without killing it. I take the side of our civilization and say blacks can suffer for it, to the extent they have to whole preserving the liberty and dignity of the majority population. (Or former majority.)

    As for the intellectuals in charge now, they’re worthless and not worth addressing. So I won’t.

    • Replies: @anon
  29. Barnard says:
    @Arclight

    Yes the AA college admissions program has been terrible for blacks as a whole. For every Michelle Obama who get an Ivy League credential she didn’t deserve there are so many others who end up dropping out of lower tier schools they never should have been at with major student loan debt. The main thing they learn in their time on campus is that all their problems are the fault of white racists.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Jack D
  30. Australian Rules football is played only in Australia. Among the players, the largest non-white group is Aborigines, who comprise about 3% of the population, but at least 13% of the players. There are only a few black Africans, most of them Somali and Sudanese.

    One of the few black Africans was Harry O’Brien, born in Brazil, his father was a “refugee” from the Congo, his mother a Brazilian, possibly of Native American ancestry. Harry became a champion footballer with a club in Melbourne, but now claims to be a victim of racism, and has changed his name to Heritier Lumumba, his birth name. Recently he emigrated to the USA, and lives in California; he appears to have adapted well to the culture of Black Lives Matter and victimhood. However, the USA is full of blacks claiming victim status due to “systemic racism”, and he will not stand out as much as he did in Australia.

    The ABC (our national broadcaster) is full of sympathy for him, but the average punter is distinctly less sympathetic.

    https://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/12/05/i-guess-the-psychosis-of-white-supremacy-has-its-advantages/#comments

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-05/heritier-lumumba-strength-in-african-culture-collingwood-afl/12820942

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  31. Stogumber says:

    I’ve read the article to the end, for to find Putnam’s proposals for improvement.
    He asks for more preaching against individualism (or perhaps more suppression of people who are preaching in favor of individualism?)
    His preference for preaching implies his utter neglect of the impact of human life experiences – that whites didn’t draw back to individualism or racialism out of sheer ideological persuasion, but out of bad experiences with Blacks.
    Practically he seems to support a Steve-Saileresque “civic nationalism”; only he obviously doesn’t want to touch the problem of immigration. Pleads for a national “we”, but isn’t prepared to take the consequences. Or perhaps wants to make civic nationalism popular and will come out against immigration only afterwards?

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  32. @Arclight

    Perverse incentives in the 1960s turned the black lower class feral: that’s well understood by now.

    Perverse incentives today are turning the black elite destructive and useless. I’m thinking of incentives like: white credulity, meaning that a hate hoax results in career advancement and monetary rewards; booming employment as DIE enforcers, resulting in talent (such as it is) getting channelled away from honest productive work, and the proliferation of professional black racists; intensification of affirmative action (from a thumb on the scale, to a foot on the scale), eroding the need to study and perform even at the levels a mediocre person would be capable of.

    • Replies: @Arclight
  33. “There has been some progress in the ensuing two decades, but this is due in part to an increase in premature deaths among working-class whites.”

    Now that’s progress.

  34. anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:

    In this video, excommunicated liberal Bret Weinstein embodies a negative Jewish stereotype quite nicely, as he “lies on the side of the angels” regarding race and IQ.

    He first states that he cannot dismiss the thesis that environment can influence IQ over the long term, and so it must be related to genetics, except when it comes to modern black people currently. It that case, it just can’t be.

    His rhetoric reaches classic proportion when he says, “frankly, if we get ‘that answer,’ I don’t know what we can do about it.”

    This video should be a keeper, in that it encompasses the entire sphere of intellectual cowardice in the scientific study of race, masquerading as virtue–and to be fair, self-preservation.

    I would just say, “if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the sciences.”

    • Replies: @Frank McGar
  35. Seriously, two more reasonable explanations are:

    That once Jim Crow was gone, blacks fairly quickly reached their level of accomplishment, no longer held down by an elaborate caste system in the South, and have been at about that level ever since.
    That the liberalism of the 1960s-1970s (e.g., generous welfare for single mothers and soft-on-crime policies) was bad for black culture, just as the black murder rate has gone up during the Black Lives Matter era.

    There’s also been a general race blind falling behind of the working class, which disproportionately affects blacks compared to whites and so ceteris paribus increases the black-white gap. It’s something that the civil rights movement is partially responsible for because it helped suck the oxygen away from old school economic liberalism that was dedicated to giving the working class stability and economic resources. It’s still a pretty common response to pointing out how much more economically equal the US used to be or certain other countries currently are to say that well those places are racist so we shouldn’t copy them. Civil rights also poisoned many whites against the left broadly

    You’re also ignoring the fact that the black-white relationship never stabilized around no net discrimination, but has been ratcheting up more and more net anti white discrimination for decades. That’s something that needs to always be pointed out.

  36. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    Seriously, two more reasonable explanations are:

    1. Once Jim Crow was gone, blacks fairly quickly reached their level of accomplishment, no longer held down in the South, and have been at about that level since.

    2. The liberalism of the 1960s-1970s (welfare for single mothers and soft-on-crime policies) was bad for black culture.

    Exactly. To which I could add:

    1. Level of accomplishment means that on average black, and white, accomplishment correllates with IQ, and blacks have a 10 or 15 point deficit there, on average.

    2. In addition to liberalism, mass media and integration have exposed blacks to white consumer life to a greater extent, and resentment builds up over not being able to afford whatever (expensive sneakers) when whitey can afford them just fine. This led to more and more crime and bad choices.

    Somewhat related is a recent interview with John McWhorter by his alaumni magazine:

    https://stanfordmag.org/contents/word-nerd

    McWhorter thinks that “stopping such policies as the war on drugs—while legalizing drugs—would transform Black communities within a decade.”

    McWhorter is an IQ gap “ignoralist”: He thinks it should not be discussed outside of serious scientific circles because there is no workable way to deal with it if it were to turn out to be true, although he doesn’t publicly accept that it is true.

    My view is that blacks are a standard deviation down, that half of them are below 85, along with one in six whites, and that there are no jobs in the 21st century for people with IQs below 85, including all the blacks with IQs below 85 in the drug trade. These people cannot even join the army as bullet catchers. So if the drug trade disappears, what the hell are they going to do? Violently rob and burgle white people is what.Let’s keep drugs illegal for their and our sakes.

  37. @Kronos

    Dems are the real racissss?

    I suspect LBJ said what he had to in private to get the right vibe with whomever he was cajoling in the moment. Snopes may be about right on this one. I doubt he cared about the fate of the Dem party after he was dead.

    Nixon also chased the Black vote, giving them affirmative action and civil rights in a way no Dem could. But since Blacks don’t pay any attention to that and simply vote as their owners (Black preachers, etc) tell them, it doesn’t matter.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-voting-democratic/

    • Replies: @Kronos
  38. There has been some progress in the ensuing two decades, but this is due in part to an increase in premature deaths among working-class whites.

    Well, that’s nice.

    Gains on the part of Black Americans… were due almost entirely to their fleeing the South by the millions during the Great Migration. Starting new lives in cities such as Chicago, Los Angeles and Philadelphia meant access to better health care, education and economic opportunities. But these destinations, too, were characterized by a persistent reality of exclusion, segregation and racial violence.

    In other words, the South was poorer than the north, and the same improvements would’ve been felt by any whites who also gave up dirt farming for widget making.

    But I think the great and good will see that in black and white (heh), and that the urban north is just as racist as the rural south, and that therefore an absence of racism wasn’t the cause of black success… and somehow still come away blaming racism for black problems. It’s an algebraic equation that they simply can’t compute:

    Question: if proud Black woman (a) experiences racism at (x) and infant mortality at (y) on an income of (z), and proud Black womon (b) experiences racism at (x) and infant mortality of 0.5(y) on an income of 2(x), what is the cause of Black infant mortality?

    Answer: racism

    • Replies: @Alden
  39. If you wanted to destroy a particular group, you could find no better model than what LBJ did to the American black in the “War on Poverty,” which was really a “War on Negroes.” The tragic comedy of it all is that this issue will NEVER be fixed as today’s blacks have bought into their own destruction so totally. Here’s my take on what MUST be done: I have no idea.

  40. @notsaying

    There’s room for a paleoliberal and populist nationalist political faction that would appeal to working and many middle class blacks, whites, and more, but the donor class and the media that they own would do all they could to strangle it in the crib.

    • Agree: notsaying
  41. anonymous[951] • Disclaimer says:

    General Flynn proposes voiding the election and calls for the military to conduct the re-vote.

    ‘A vote that assures a fair election in every jurisdiction and reflects the true will of the people. Federal candidates only. Paper ballots. No computers. Hand-counted with both parties watching every vote. Only registered voters. Photo ID to prove residence. Conducted safely with everyone wearing masks and six feet apart, just like we did in Ohio,’ he writes.

    ‘Only then can the winning candidate be accepted as legitimate by a true majority of We the People who must give our consent to be justly governed! Unfortunately we are at a point where we can only trust our military to do this because our corrupt political class and courts have proven their inability to act fairly and within the law.’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9010699/Newly-pardoned-Mike-Flynn-calls-Donald-Trump-suspend-Constitution-declare-martial-law.html

  42. anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:

    Not to worry. Liberals are doing their magic to ensure Whites will soon reach economic parity with Blacks, by simple application of the time-tested Liberal Maxim:

    “Meaning well” absolves you of society’s usual demand for accountability of “doing evil.”

  43. The 1965 Immigration Act, which opened the floodgates to cheap immigrant labor, seems like an obvious culprit in causing stagnation in black wage growth. But that won’t do as an explanation as it conflict with the “diversity is great” narrative.

    After 1965, Automation and cheap imports deindustrialized the U.S., and shifted it to a service economy in which blacks were least likely to “learn to code,” or otherwise compete for high-IQ “knowledge worker” jobs. But that explanation is obviously non-narrative as it conflicts with “globalism is great” and “blacks are just as smart as white people.”

    So it must be: “White Backlash.” Yeah, that’s the ticket. White people did it with their systemic racism. When you write for the New York Times, all roads lead to the blame whitey narrative.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  44. Judging by the huge increase in black-on-black shootings during the Racial Reckonings, Black communities are no longer oppressed by being over-policed.

    Ready Reckoner, Camden Town, 1970:

    Ready reckoner, Camden, New Jersey, 2020:

    • Replies: @Thomas
    , @Kronos
  45. Muse says:

    Have you considered that boot camp and military service in WWII and Korea for young black men may have created discipline and structure, making better men and better fathers of black men? The effect may have began to disappear after the second generation. This training and discipline combined with economic growth may have been a springboard much like the GI bill helped so many retuning white men.

    1968-1973 period also had a swarm of events that seemed to break the back of the post WWII boom. Not claiming to know cause and effect here, but there was Vietnam, nationwide riots, Watergate, the collapse of the gold backed dollar, heavy drug use, the oil embargo , free love etc. Not a lot of good going on here besides getting to the moon.

    If the marginal productivity of a group of workers is lower on the economic ladder, the least productive are going to take the hit first as the bottom rungs start to fail. Surely this is part of what happened to blacks in America. The third generation lacked discipline and skills plus the economy was bad. They had trouble getting work. Women don’t marry men with out jobs or money, but they often keep making babies, and these kids were going to be poorer and without good parents.

  46. MEH 0910 says:
    @Thomm

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0583057/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

    The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air (TV Series)
    There’s the Rub: Part 2 (1995)

    Mark C. Phelan … Lieutenant Hendricks (as Mark Phelan)

  47. indocon says:

    Steve, another topic that is directly related to stalling of black America’s progress is Immigration. I believe you showed stats previously on how blacks were almost close to whites in income in California in 1970’s, and now are down to less than 70%. Well California did have a lot off some thing in that timeframe – immigration.

    • Replies: @Neuday
  48. @Robert Dolan

    Fatherless boys do massive crime??

    I don’t think that fatherless Swedes do massive crime

    False Leftist theorizing (like this one) is to blame for blacks moving backwards in Ferguson, Detroit, South Africa.

    Censoring the #RacistTruth about black IQ, crime leads to false theories, the worst example is misguided false BLM.

    If Blacks are different, then Blacks (and Arabs and Afghans and Somalis) might need policies, political, and legal systems different from the ones in invented by White Swedes and Brits.

    White human rights might not be befitting and in order for Africa, and maybe not for the “inner city”

    • Replies: @faffq
  49. Kronos says:
    @International Jew

    I’ll get around to reading it sometime in the future. Maybe once I’m done reading Barry O’s new book on his Presidency.

    Some of it is quite funny. This excerpt is from Obama traveling to Egypt in 2009 with staffers Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod.

    We scaled the ancient, boulder-like stones of each pyramid’s face. We stood in the shadow of the Sphinx, staring up at its silent, indifferent gaze. We climbed a narrow, vertical chute to stand within one of the pharaohs’ dark inner chambers, the mystery of which was punctuated by Axe’s timeless words during our careful descent back down the ladder: “Goddamn it, Rahm, slow down—your ass is in my face!”

  50. Correlation is not causation. Rich people ran the county into the ground starting more or less in the mid-sixties. That’s why blacks’ income went down. Not civil rights legislation.

    On the other hand, in the 1950s, you wouldn’t see blacks in, say the big Wanamaker’s. By the late 60s, all over the place. This I take from an American expatriate to Russia who came back, I don’t know, in the 80s or something. Couldn’t believe all the blacks walking freely around any place they wanted to. There you have the real result of civil rights legislation.

  51. Wilkey says:
    @Robert Dolan

    “Johnson famously quipped that he’d give the blacks handouts and have them voting Dem for the next 100 years. He was right.”

    Lyndon Baines Johnson is dead. Blacks still vote for Democrats, but Johnson’s policies have screwed over his own people and destroyed our country.

    Why the hell some people care more about their own party than their own race or ethnic group I will never know. But those of us of British Isles descent know that our co-ethnics – English, Scottish, Irish & Welsh – are really damn good at stabbing each other in the back and selling each other out.

    Another national leader named Johnson – this one with the first name of Boris – just invited half of Hong Kong to move to the UK. Which will of course be of enormous benefit to the people of that overcorwded island….somehow. Boris’s ingenious plan is to stick it to the Chinese by letting them conquer Great Britain without firing a shot. Fucking genius, I tell you.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Aardvark
  52. FPD72 says:

    When the Monihan Report came out in 1965, the black illegitimacy rate was 25%. Today it is three times that. Illegitimacy is associated with every social pathology.

    Low skilled manufacturing jobs were either shipped overseas for wage arbitrage or automated, reducing the availability of relatively good paying jobs.

    The 1965 and 1972 immigration acts, combined with the lax enforcement of our border with Mexico, further pushed wages down for the low skilled. Both this and the loss of manufacturing jobs contributed to the decline of black marriages and resulting increase in black illegitimacy. It’s a vicious cycle.

    What evidence of “white pushback” does Putnam offer? This is the same researcher who sat on his findings that increased diversity negatively impacted social cohesion and involvement. Despite the clear conclusions from his own study he still maintains that diversity is socially beneficial, so I’m not expecting too much evidence for “white pushback.”

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @FPD72
  53. Civil Rights was bad for the dress code.

    1956
    2020

    • Agree: Voltarde
    • Disagree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Old Prude
  54. Thomas says:

    “Why Did Blacks Make More Progress Before Civil Rights Than After?”

    “Why Did Racial Progress Stall in America?”

    To any regular reader of this blog and similar content elsewhere, this is an entirely rhetorical question that we all know the answer to.

    To any adherent of the received narrative on race in this country, the true answer will never be known. Only fantastical bugbears like “white backlash.”

    I’ve quoted it elsewhere in comments here, but this bears mentioning again:

    Americans were by no means opposed to black advancement—but they had accepted the government’s assurance that de jure racism was the main obstacle to it. They were probably surprised when the advance in blacks’ fortunes slowed after 1964, relative to its rate in the two decades after the Second World War. It was not the first such disappointment in American history. In 1914, half a century after the Emancipation Proclamation, the historian Charles Beard lamented, “Whatever the cause may be, there seems to be no doubt that the colored race has not made that substantial economic advance and achieved that standard of life which its friends hoped would follow from emancipation.” So it was now. Though no one had thought that those brought up under segregation would be able to make up for the opportunities they had been denied in their youth, it had been assumed that the first generation to benefit from standard American higher education would thrive, on the model of immigrants before them. That did not happen. Blacks, as Allan Bloom put it in his 1987 bestseller, The Closing of the American Mind, proved as “indigestible” in university systems as they had been in earlier generations.

    Christopher Caldwell, The Age of Entitlement: America Since the Sixties, 30.

    “All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.”

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  55. Thomas says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Got a soft spot for the LCR myself. It’s especially a nice jacket gun this time of year.

  56. syonredux says:

    The life expectancy gap between Black and white Americans

    The Black/white ratio of high school completion

    Income by race converged at the greatest rate between 1940 and 1970. However, as of 2018, Black/white income disparities were almost exactly the same as they were in 1968,

    Gosh, I guess that America is just a simple racial binary…..With no other groups (East Asians, South Asians, Latinx) to whom Blacks could be compared…..

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  57. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Brain drain is a third reasonable explanation. The Talented Tenth got hoovered up by academia and the Fortune 500.

    Over the Summer of George, Bloomberg TV’s market wrap-up show had a different black finance executive on every day to talk about why the tragic death of George Floyd meant we needed more black finance executives. Most of these executives worked for huge companies like Citigroup, but they featured one who was the head of one of the largest black-owned banks in the country. She had blonde hair and fair skin. It occurred to me then that the brain drain had been so great that they couldn’t find a black black executive to run one of the biggest black banks.

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
  58. syonredux says:

    I’ve noticed
    @TheAtlantic
    become the nation’s best monthly, thanks to phenomenal writers like Ta-Nehisi Coates, Ibram X. Kendi, Anne Applebaum, Ed Yong, George Packer and so many more. Proud to have subscribed for decades.

    Yup, The Atlantic was a real prole-tier rag back when it published Mark Twain, Henry James, George F Kennan, Vannevar Bush, Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr, William James, etc. You just can’t compare those hacks to geniuses like Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ibram X. Kendi…..

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    , @Kronos
  59. BenKenobi says:
    @syonredux

    I’m can never intuit how tw*tter works: is he replying to you or you to him?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @duncsbaby
  60. Kronos says:
    @Wilkey

    Why the hell some people care more about their own party than their own race or ethnic group I will never know.

    Maybe it’s easier to monetize?

  61. Kronos says:
    @syonredux

    I’ve noticed @TheAtlantic become the nation’s best monthly, thanks to phenomenal writers like Ta-Nehisi Coates, Ibram X. Kendi, Anne Applebaum, Ed Yong, George Packer and so many more. Proud to have subscribed for decades.

    I don’t think I could ever write that even as a lie. That is just so cringeworthy.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  62. Kronos says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Always thought it would be cool to get one of these.

    • Replies: @jamie b.
  63. Charon says:
    @anon

    The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.

    More evidence that wisdom is effectively extinct in our Modern World.

  64. Charon says:
    @International Jew

    Yes, but since “Polite Society” pretends that Charles Murray never existed, it will keep having to learn the same lessons over and over again. And then forget them, such as have survived crimethink intervention.

  65. @International Jew

    Losing Ground focused exclusively on US whites.

  66. Blacks had a higher rate of business ownership before civil rights. Once segregation ended, black business owners were forced to compete with white business owners and black businesses struggled.

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    , @hhsiii
  67. AndrewR says:
    @Thomm

    Unz was born in 1961. That dude is old enough to be his dad.

  68. By Shaylyn Romney Garrett and Robert D. Putnam
    Robert D. Putnam is a political scientist. Shaylyn Romney Garrett is a writer.

    I assumed Shaylyn was black on the basis that no white male could be allowed to write unhndered on racial matters for a mainstream publisher, but she seems to be very much white:

    https://shaylynromneygarrett.com/about/

    • Replies: @TyRade
  69. TyRade says:

    How could Robert Putnam, of ‘Bowling Alone’ rigour, demean himself in this way? The infantilising ‘free put option’ of all that free civil-rights-driven stuff since the mid 60s has predictably stopped black catch-up by removing the work/moral ethic that keeps whites (barely) progressing. Too obvious to say Mr P? The woke blob that has evidently crushed Putnam’s reasoning might actually start to narrow the white-black gaps by squishing white productivity (squandering gazillions on ‘DIE’ instead of value added stuff; encouraging self censorship so risk aversion not taking)..

  70. Jesse says:

    Once a population hits an average IQ of about 85, uplifting them gets…tricky. That, plus lower levels of competition helped.

    This applies to everyone. McDowell County, WV, with the worst Whites in the US. Its population is a small fraction of what of was in it’s heyday, and those that are left tend to be the descendants of those who would’ve been at the bottom of the pile back then.

    This doesn’t mean you stop trying, as long as they are your compatriots. But it does make continuing potentially very messy indeed.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  71. @syonredux

    With no other groups (East Asians, South Asians, Latinx) to whom Blacks could be compared…..

    I understand the PC shorthand term for referring to the diverse cultures of northeast Asia is: Chinx.

  72. @Peter Johnson

    Perhaps you’re thinking of “Coming Apart,” published 28 years after “Losing Ground.”

  73. Altai says:

    “The Upswing: How America Came Together a Century Ago and How We Can Do It Again,”

    I suppose the authors know about the Strauss-Howe generational theory or maybe they pretend not to now since Bannon was such a fan that it must be pure Nazism.

  74. Kronos says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Dems are the real racissss?

    I just really like the poster and logo design. I was thinking more in the direction of “beware Greeks bearing gifts” in the form of gimmedats. A drug dealer never gives you a free sample strictly out of human kindness.

    Nixon also chased the Black vote, giving them affirmative action and civil rights in a way no Dem could. But since Blacks don’t pay any attention to that and simply vote as their owners (Black preachers, etc) tell them, it doesn’t matter.

    I’ve become more and more convinced over the years via reading that blacks (and to another extent women) proved a golden opportunity for both business factions of Democrats and Republicans to cripple US labor to an extraordinary degree. Business Republicans likely saw the value in supporting blacks in order to make worker collectivization generally untenable due to inherent diverging interests. There’s nothing more dangerous then running with a Judas whose been payed to sabotage your three-legged race. The affirmative action MBAs and HR ladies are a pain in upper management, but maybe it was financially well worth the headache to divide private sector unions.

    *The photo refers to a quote by George Wallace that there was “never a dime’s worth of difference between the Democratic and Republican parties.” Or something akin to that effect.

  75. Art Deco says:

    Define ‘racial progress’. Here’s a suggestion:

    The phenomena they’re describing isn’t anomalous. Metrics will converge if they’re consequent to regulatory impositions or public service deficits. The two most important changes in the matrix were (1) emancipation and (2) the advent of routine and publicly financed schooling for blacks. As early as 1880, the share of blacks listing a specifically agricultural occupation to census enumerators had fallen to 40%; from 1880 to 1940, that metric fell not quite pari passu with the share of whites listing an agricultural occupation, then fell a great deal more rapidly. Again, by 1880, about 20% of the black population over 15 could read and write at a basic level; by 1900, about 1/2 could, and so forth. Looking at inputs, the number of days in attendance at primary and secondary schools was for blacks about 75% of that for whites ca. 1929 and equal to that for whites ca. 1959. Reasons convergence will grow slower:

    1. Decay in public services: see Thos. Sowell on how the quality of the pedagogy at the high school he attended declined between his time there ca. 1946 and his niece’s time there ca. 1958. It’s only gotten worse since.

    2. Decay in public services: the development of human capital is disrupted by the decline in social discipline. You’ve had throughout the post-war period a decay in social discipline imposed by families and other private parties (some of it forced by public policy) and you’ve had cycles wherein the willingness and capacity of formal public institutions to do so declined (1890-1930 arguably, 1955-80, certainly; 2014- certainly).

    3. Decay in public services: (1) the hyptertrophy of tertiary schooling and (2) the hypertrophy of academic instruction at the secondary level. The development of human capital among blacks is inhibited and disrupted by blacks being sorted into education programs to which they are not optimally adapted.

    4. Stupid social policy: this applies primarily to the period running from 1958 to 1996 (but in an attenuated way to the period since). The way common provision has been structured, it has promoted a retreat from the labor force and diminished development of human capital among certain sectors of society. Charles Murray has pointed to one important metric which provides evidence for this: he notes that in 1960, labor force participation among black males and white males under 25 was the same, with the ratio of participants to non-participants being 3:1. In 1980, the ratio for whites remained the same. In re blacks, participation rates had fallen to such an extent that the ratio was now 3:2.

    There are lots of improvements you can make to policy which will have a salutary effect on material conditions in black populations. The problem is, they all involve (1) the vigorous imposition of community standards on troublesome slum populations (standards derived from the moral system of ordinary people and enforced by cops who have common-and-garden moral understandings), (2) the use of impersonal standards to sort and grade people according to performance, (3) valorization of practical skill acquisition (something wage-earners tend to favor) over academic instruction and self-expression (which fancy bourgeois people tend to favor, (4) fewer job opportunities for social workers and school administrators, (5) fewer opportunities for (a) fancy bourgeois and (b) people in the education and social services sector to defame ordinary people for sh*ts and giggles. For these reasons, the improvements will be unacceptable to anyone in Robert Putnam’s social circle.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
  76. Art Deco says:
    @Jesse

    Very few people benefit much from ‘uplift’. What they benefit from is (1) removing artificial impediments to labor market transactions, (2) transparency in labor market transactions, (3) socialization of costs in certain sectors (medical care, long term care, schooling, legal services – to a modest degree, and shipping and transportation – to a small degree), (4) some income re-distribution (to the elderly, the disabled, the interstitially unemployed, injured workers, and people in low-wage jobs).

    ‘Uplift’ is only the name of the game in re (1) criminals, (2) people engaging in near criminal conduct toward vulnerable family members – and the vulnerable they’re abusing, (3) people who qualify as incompetent under conventional legal standards, (4) alcoholics and drug abusers, (5) vagrants. These populations tend to require a great deal of coercion in the first instance. Any sort of ministry has to occur in that matrix.

    • Thanks: keypusher
  77. anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @FPD72

    When the Monihan Report came out in 1965, the black illegitimacy rate was 25%. Today it is three times that. Illegitimacy is associated with every social pathology.

    Indiana is always among the top 5 states for white illegitimacy rate but has a very strong manufacturing industry.

  78. @Robert Dolan

    While the liberal welfare state certainly didn’t help, my gut feeling is that things weren’t all hunky-dory before that, and the idea that they were seems to be a myth that has been repeated by certaim clueless conservatives ( the “Dems are the real racists!” crowd). The fact of the matter is that before the 1960’s, not as good tabs were kept on black behavior by sociologists as they are now.

    • Replies: @Charlotte
  79. Art Deco says:
    @Stogumber

    Do you get the impression that most liberals fancy the modal type among their opponents is someone who thinks like George Barton Cutten or Ayn Rand?

    If he’s complaining about ‘individualism’ he’s wasting the space in his head. In any sustainable society, working people take care of their families and working families are the vast majority. Common provision for other households has to be circumscribed because someone has to be producing the goods and services which are shared with those households, and there needs to be a common understanding of who is properly on some dole. That means that if you’re between the ages of 25 and 6?, you’re working or you’re married to someone working or you’re between jobs for a short period. It means that between the ages of 15 and 25, you’re in school or you’re working or both. The exceptions would be people who are incarcerated and people who actually are disabled according to an ordinary person’s assessment.

  80. @Peter Johnson

    You’re thinking of Coming Apart.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  81. @Barnard

    “The main thing they learn in their time on campus is that all their problems are the fault of white racists.”

    I think we must be fair. That’s what every undergraduate learns on campus, be they black, white, yellow, brown, unless they’re doing pure maths or petroleum geology.

    What’s scary is that subjects like medicine are so politicised now.

    • Agree: botazefa
  82. I would add a third point to your two should-be-obvious explanations. Post-64 liberalism hurt both white and black achievement, but blacks worse. Without the moral collapse among whites, the gap would have grown even larger.

  83. The civil rights era indoctrination plus forced integration and, more importantly, Cultural Revolution of the 60’s/70’s – not in PR China- have marked the beginning of the end of America & the disaster for black and white races.

    Instead of prosperous life with relative racial coexistence & imperfect harmony, these two races are, without partial re-segregation, doomed to mutual annihilation.

    South & east Asians have “successful” lives on average, but they are so alien that they cannot be considered Americans; also, their position of permanent aliens makes their position precarious & not sustainable in the long run. Jews, whom some, bizarrely, consider to be “non-white”, are also doomed; their great progress until the 60’s has become a nightmare of a paranoid, wealthy alienated & self-centered minority that sticks out among other whites and is universally hated by most other whites (except by some religious fanatics) as a chameleon-like minority of potential traitors & subversives; they are also hated by all other races as just another segment of whites.

    Mestizos are perhaps the only big portion of society which has profited by post-60’s culture, but it is questionable whether they can survive as a relatively prosperous group; they may be better off, but they were minuscule in size in earlier times; also, it remains dubious whether their culture can coexist with English-language historical culture, and can they live a clean, orderly modern life (see under: Mexico, central America, organized crime).

    Native Americans are, technically, better off in some parameters, but their mosaic of cultures is doomed because they are even worse than blacks in their inability to adopt to any form of modern life (hence despair, suicides, alcoholism, obesity,..).

    In short- immediate doom & gloom for all except South Asians, Jews, east Asians. For them, a delayed doom & gloom.

    • Replies: @Bert
  84. G. Poulin says:
    @BrettJohnson337

    A good example of this is the failure of the Negro baseball leagues after the Major Leagues integrated
    (although this was done voluntarily, not because of any civil rights legislation). Not only did the owners of the black teams go broke, but those players who were not good enough to be prospects for the majors, meaning most of them, were no longer able to play baseball for a living. What this says to me is that “progress” is an illusion : some things are gained and others are lost whenever a change occurs. There are no great leaps forward, only great leaps sideways.

  85. hhsiii says:
    @BrettJohnson337

    Or they were forced to compete with immigrants after 1965.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Malla
  86. Anon[575] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m guessing that the legal and financial talent that came up with this idea weren’t BIPOCs:

    Luminar went public via a merger with a special purpose acquisition company (SPAC)—a financial vehicle that helps startups bypass some of the complexity and paperwork of a traditional IPO. Instead of offering its shares directly to the public, Luminar merged with a company called Gores Metropoulos that had previously been created for the purpose of finding a startup to take public.

    This year has seen a boom in SPAC-based deals. Luminar rival Velodyne went public via a SPAC in September. The company’s share price has seen only modest gains since the deal was announced. Another lidar maker, Innoviz, is reportedly considering a SPAC merger.

    A little-known electric vehicle maker, Lordstown Motors, went public via a SPAC in October and got an enthusiastic reception from investors. So did another electric vehicle maker, Fisker. Yet another EV company, Canoo, announced a SPAC deal in August.

    It takes brains to think of this kind of stuff. On the other hand, this kind of stuff tends to eventually blow up.

    Skeptics worry that this alternate process lets companies opt out of due-diligence steps that help protect retail investors from fraud.

    Those worries were underscored when aspiring hydrogen truckmaker Nikola went public via a SPAC merger in June. A few months later, the public learned that the company’s first product, a semi truck called the Nikola One, had never been functional, despite founder Trevor Milton’s claims to the contrary. Milton was forced to resign, and Nikola’s value is far below the peak it hit shortly after the company went public. Anyone who bought Nikola stock in the first few days of trading has lost most of their money.

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/12/lidar-startup-goes-public-makes-founder-a-billionaire/

    Luminar, by the way, was founded by a blond white male 17 year old who is now a 25-year-0ld billionaire.

  87. Unmarried births to blacks went from 15% in 1940 to 70% in 1990. Doesn’t explain everything but probably explains a lot.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Arclight
  88. znon says:
    @tertius

    Waaay too late to think about the fantasy of reimposing a system that disappeared a half century ago, when there is neither a way for european America to build a consensus towards even a stopgap solution to this disaster. Wake up to the reality that the progressive coalition has seized power completely and we are rapidly becoming a powerless minority. How long did it take for the South African White minority to descend from apparently absolute power to ethnic erasure at the hands of the people they had imported as labor? 30 years perhaps. The new method of combining elite censuring and manipulation of all media with a Maoist revolutionary power bloc may ensure that our time is much less than that.

  89. Bunka says:

    There were well paying industrial jobs then. A man could support a family….”Free trade” killed it all. And welfare buried it.

  90. Dan Smith says:

    It’s almost as if the War on Poverty and a trillion dollars worth of programs and entitlements made things worse.

  91. Luke Lea says:

    Could the the 1965 Immigration Reform Act have anything to do with it? And does Putnam mention the clamp down on mass immigration that occurred in the 1920’s as the prelude to black progress? I bet he’s quite aware of both of these factors even if he doesn’t dare mention them. Tip toeing around the truth. He’s brave but not brave enough.

  92. J.Ross says:

    It cannot be that you are always your potentially best manager and that the Democrats destroy and screw over without ever helping. No, it must be that lynchmobs are far more powerful and aggressive now than when Leo Frank was chasing girls.

  93. Art Deco says:
    @Spotted Toad

    The ratio of illegitimate births to legitimate births among blacks went from 0.176 in 1960 to about 2.57 in 2010, or a 14.5-fold increase. IIRC, the ratio among the general population went from 0.03 in 1960 to about 0.66 in 2010, or a 22-fold increase. I’m going to wager that the authority of working adults in black populations in 1958 was already compromised compared to what it was in the larger society, and that would have had an impact on the capacity of mothers and fathers to keep their sons from getting sidetracked by criminal activity or by the ordinary pleasures of daily life.

  94. Arclight says:
    @International Jew

    I think you are onto something -the proliferation of diversity jobs along with the traditional make-work jobs in government, non-profits, and education give far too many the idea that they have actually achieved something. Nothing makes me roll my eyes harder when I hear the claim that they have to work or be twice as talented, since the reality is that our society goes out of its way to elevate blacks at the expense of others.

    But these jobs aren’t really a path to building wealth, not to mention blacks at all income levels are far more interested in frittering away their money on visible goods so as their incomes rise so does consumption rather than savings. Meanwhile, much higher percentages of non-college whites and Latinos still go into trades or start small businesses, guaranteeing that the “wealth gap” will remain a yawning chasm.

    Despite the current pro-black insanity, it is going to end at some point as white resentment builds and the Latino and Asian populations increase. Then the black political class will find that they are still lagging everyone else but no one really cares anymore.

    • Agree: BB753, Gary in Gramercy
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @Art Deco
  95. J.Ross says:

    Everyone is praising Putnam like some civilizational asset because he’s allowed onto the parade stand but not one hundred percent of what he says is lies. Meanwhile the people who let him onto the parade stand have no concept of objective truth and cannot appreciate his relative truthfulness.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  96. How many current blacks come from American slaves? Pre ’67 they all were. Could the slave owners back in the day have a type they preferred? Perhaps one more easily trained to do more sophisticated labor? The black man was better off not only before Civil Rights, but before the ’67 immigration bill. They had functioning communities with functioning businesses and families. The black colleges were by all accounts quite good. Were some dirt poor? Yeah, but so were some working class whites. How, or does, that evil immigration bill play in with this?

    BTW There really wasn’t black crime till the late sixties. Weird how the timing all comes back to two bills from the Johnson era that would have never passed without Yankee Republicans. If you start looking at history from a timing perspective, you can’t help but notice everything seems rather orchestrated for the benefit of a few.

  97. AceDeuce says:

    Here’s a voice from “pre-Civil Rights” Amerikkka who wasn’t so impressed by blacks and their conduct back then:

    “Let us be honest with ourselves, and say that we, our standards have lagged behind at many points.

    Negroes constitute ten percent of the population of New York City, and yet they commit thirty-five percent of the crime.

    St. Louis, Missouri: the Negroes constitute twenty-six percent of the population, and yet seventy-six percent of the persons on the list for aid to dependent children are Negroes.

    We have eight times more illegitimacy than white persons.

    We’ve got to face all of these things. We must work to improve these standards. We must sit down quietly by the wayside, and ask ourselves: “Where can we improve?”

    What are the things that white people are saying about us? They say that we want integration because we want to marry white people. Well, we know that is a falsehood. (That’s right) We know that. We don’t have to worry about that. (All right)

    Then on the other hand, they say some other things about us, and maybe there is some truth in them. Maybe we could be more sanitary; maybe we could be a little more clean. You may not have enough money to take a weekend trip to Paris, France, and buy all of the fascinating and enticing perfumes. You may not be able to do that, but you are not so poor that you cannot buy a five cents bar of soap (Yeah) so that you can wash before [word inaudible]. [applause]

    And another thing my friends, we kill each other too much. (All right, yes) We cut up each other too much. (Yes, Yes sir) There is something that we can do. We’ve got to go down in the quiet hour and think about this thing.”

    Martin Luther King, Some Things We Must Do, 1957

    https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/some-things-we-must-do-address-delivered-second-annual-institute-nonviolence

    • Replies: @3g4me
  98. Excuse me for being me, but I really don’t give a flying fuck. In the Sixties there was the first big push for Affirmative Action and I was involved in a Federally funded training program. The results were dismal. The easier you made it to become a carpenter or plumber or whatever, the poorer the results. Holding peoples hands instead of kicking behinds doesn’t work now, didn’t work then. And the worst thing about the linked article is the last paragraph…”but if Black Americans advance toward parity with whites…” Capital B lower case w, every single time. We are being played. The lower case w is the same to me as the notorious “n” word, a total lack of respect. Stay safe.

  99. @Arclight

    Arc, resentment will come to full fruition when the biden-harris administration moves toward reparations. People will say “I voted against Trump, not for you or this nonsense.”

  100. Old Prude says:
    @PiltdownMan

    That’s a cheap shot at blacks; One can show a thousand photos of classy whites in the 50s, compared to the fat tatooed slobs of today.

  101. Element59 says:

    I call this observed phenomena “the great paradox”. It’s astonishing that the enlightened ones, such as the authors of this article, who claim to be about “science”, assign mythical agency to such notions as “white backlash” and “systemic racism” or “white privilege” – when the obvious and indeed scientific answer is the differing group-level IQ and r/K life histories between whites and blacks.

    It appears that 20th century American blacks as a group benefitted from the more controlled and regulated external social pressures and behavioral expectations that white America imposed on them prior to the Civil Rights era. Once those pressures were relaxed, their group phenotypical traits were unleashed and then fed and fostered through a well-meaning, but white-designed social welfare system which would be functional for a white underclass, but incapacitating for blacks at the group level.

    This is the solution to the great paradox that nobody is allowed to talk about openly, but gallons of ink will be spilled chasing down quasi-religious agency cast by the malevolent white spirits.

    • Agree: Bert
    • Replies: @3g4me
  102. Anon7 says:

    “…Blacks [Made] More Progress Before Civil Rights Than After.”

    This is exactly what black intellectual Thomas Sowell has said; sorry, I can’t find the video.

    He agrees with Malcolm X that white liberals were the worst thing that ever happened to black people in America. He shows that in just the first decade of LBJ’s Great Society, blacks lost all of the gains they had made from the previous two decades after the war.

    (This should sound familiar to rural whites.) Blacks were told that men were just no good, that women were the true heads of families, a regular welfare check was a better deal than some unreliable man, that Christian church was fake, and there are no jobs where they lived anyway and they weren’t coming back. Oh, and people who were depressed over any of the above were given new and improved medication – heroin, crack, meth, the lot.

    The Democrat party has gained absolute power from its two sided coin. On one side, blacks are poor victims who redeem themselves by becoming activists and thus need lots of handouts – on the other side, white people are responsible for this tragedy and they can redeem themselves by worshipping blacks and paying for free stuff.

    Democrat wokeism is a religion, it’s the only place you can get redemption now that Christianity has been taken away. Whites and blacks both need it, even if they don’t know why. Powerful stuff, enough to take control over a country.

  103. Ganderson says:
    @Arclight

    Another thing to think about, and I saw this from my perch as a high school teacher in a predominantly white high school, is the “negrification” of poor whites. Central and Western MA have lots of towns that have been ruined by section 8 housing- and their residents are largely white, with many of the same pathologies as the black underclass- single mothers, loads of tattoos, obesity, unemployment, addiction. My sense is the murder rate is lower, but it’s a real problem.

    • Replies: @Arclight
  104. BB753 says:

    To be fair, wages started stalling during the seventies for all races, except Asians. And haven’t gone up since.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  105. Ganderson says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe- are we gonna be able to go to lax games this spring? My bet is no.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  106. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:

    White backlash. That would be a crock of shit if it weren’t a meaningless abstraction.

    Those elections were South African style black faces in the limousines, and a vital complement to Dick Ober’s decapitation program (Malcolm X and international interlocutors, MLK, Mumia, etc., etc.) Pompous asskisser Putnam gets his academic attaboys by failing to notice stuff like that. Putnam really is an amazing mediocrity. His one smart idea was converting to Judaism.

  107. Anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:

    Only an idiot civ-nat would even care about this question. Blacks have proven to be incapable of doing anything but destroying every modern society they inhabit. Talk of anything-else is just a distraction from this obvious fact.

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Alden
  108. Sean says:

    The effect of Civil Rights on black communities was allowing the more affluent class blacks to leave for houses in white areas. A tiny minority of blacks did better, but most were left to grow up in hell hole ghettos spiraling down as everyone who could leave did.

    There is a black elite created by Civil Rights, but we never hear about them. It is like the number of millionaires in the country growing even as wages stagnate, except with that we never hear about the average person’s suffering.

  109. Art Deco says:
    @Arclight

    I think you are onto something -the proliferation of diversity jobs along with the traditional make-work jobs in government, non-profits, and education give far too many the idea that they have actually achieved something.

    Outside of education, medical care, and l/t care, the philanthropic sector does not employ many people. Blacks aren’t particularly numerous in the education sector (public or private) bar one subfaction: among school administrators. In medical and long-term care, they’re numerous among three categories: CNAs and home health aids, LPNs, and respiratory therapists. None of these are make-work trades. The black preference for public sector employment is mild; blacks are particularly numerous in three subfractions: social workers, bus drivers, and postal employees. Postal service employment isn’t make work, it’s just that they’re overcompensated, poorly deployed and indifferently disciplined, and in this culture the only cure is to sell the postal service to private investors. Bus driver is not inherently a make-work job, either; it’s just that the constituency for public transit as it’s run today is so thin that its primary purpose is to employ people. Some portion of the world’s social workers do necessary work in child protective and the like. It’s just that social work programs are a wretched way to attempt to recruit and train such people.

    • Replies: @Arclight
  110. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.booknotes.org/Watch/17829-1/Nicholas-Lemann

    By the late 1980’s, a reasonably broad critique of the impact of 1960’s reform efforts had developed. Good thing for Lemann that people don’t read books any more.

    But Murray and Neo-liberals like Lemann had fleshed out the decay everyone’s lying eyes couldn’t help noticing in some detail. And now this topic is being revisited with less insight and highly circumscribed freedom to speak plainly.

  111. Art Deco says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Chuckles. Some of us though court-imposed homosexual pseudogamy might trigger a political revolt. The appellate courts watched what happened in one jurisdiction after another and knew they could get away with that travesty.

    I’m sure the ‘reparations’ will be structured to cause minimal injury to the Democrats’ preferred constituencies.

  112. Dan Hayes says:

    Quintessential Putnam! Refusing to face the full obvious implications of his data. May be due to reticence to upsetting his new found co-religionists.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @silviosilver
  113. By Ibram Kendi’s (tendentious, ludicrous) definition, civil rights is a racist policy. That is, it is a policy that tends to promote disparity of outcome in which whites do better than blacks across any given metric of human flourishing.

  114. Dan Hayes says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe, do the young bros in Buffalo use the forbidden “n” word with the same abandon as they do in NYC? Just admin’.

  115. Travis says:

    The commencement of welfare for single mothers encouraged poor black women to have children. This begn at the same time that birth control reduced the fertility rate of whites. the result was a dramatic change in the ration of Blacks to whites in America as Black and white fertility diverged in the 1960s , resulting in a dramatic change in the ration of Blacks to whites in America. This has dramatically changed the ratio of Blacks to whites in America. Back in 1960 the ratio was 9 whites for every Black American. Today we are approaching 4 Whites per Black.

    Year —Whites -Blacks- ratio
    1950 – 134 M – 15 M – 9 to 1
    1970 – 177 M – 22 M – 8 to 1
    2000- 192 M – 34 M – 6 to 1
    2020 –196 M – 44 M –4 to 1

    The white population grew by 19 million since 1970, 11% over 50 years
    The Black population grew by 22 million since 1970, 100% over 50 years

    So based on demographics, Blacks have thrived since 1970 and the White population is currently in decline and facing extinction within this century due to the very low fertility rates of whites.

    • Replies: @uman
  116. Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    I blame abortion. Back in the day, without birth control, all blacks of all levels ended up having children. But now, it’s only the most pathologically criminal, stupid, or crazy who ignore abortion and have the kids anyway, so the worst blacks are having children in excess numbers. Thus the worst blacks are beginning to dominate the black population, numbers-wise.

    We need to limit anyone on welfare to 1 kid only, or they get sterilized by force.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  117. @Anon7

    Now add in Biden’s determination to provide a path to citizenship for the 10-20 million people here illegally.

    I don’t think any of these new Americans are going to pay reparations, or fall for any of the various forms of race grifting, do you?

    Of course they aren’t going to pay reparations. (They are net tax-eaters.)

    You are going to pay “reparations”.

    • Replies: @Anon7
  118. Pericles says:
    @Kronos

    It’s a textbook example of virtue signaling.

  119. @Dan Hayes

    Quintessential Putnam! Refusing to face the full obvious implications of his data. May be due to reticence to upsetting his new found co-religionists.

    There’s something ridiculously pathetic about a man converting to someone else’s tribal religion.

    It’s sad that any white gentiles would convert to Judaism, which has maintained it’s tedious majority hostility–while insisting on living amongst us and off of us–for 1000+ years. But at least a woman is just doing submission–submitting to her husband’s tribe.

    Sorry Bob, you’re about as Jewish as my Methodist grandmom.

  120. TG says:

    WRONG!

    At first yes, blacks started to get ahead and unionize and get decent pay. Then starting in the late 1960’s, the rich replaced them en masse with Mexican nationals, cutting the black working class off at the knee.

    Oh, and then the rich cried an ocean of crocodile tears “oh how terrible what’s happening to blacks aren’t white working class rednecks horrible?” And then they gave affirmative action status to Mexicans, to make it even easier to fire blacks.

  121. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    From WSJ

    Portland, Ore.

    The state of Oregon, hoping to strike a blow against both the pandemic and “systemic racism,” has established a Covid relief fund exclusively for blacks and black-owned businesses. The Oregon Cares Fund website accurately describes the program as “unprecedented.” It is also surely unconstitutional.

    In July the Oregon Legislature Emergency Board allotted $200 million to assist small businesses suffering losses because of the pandemic and government-ordered shutdowns. Of the total, $62 million was set aside for the Oregon Cares Fund, whose website describes it as “a Fund for Black people, Black-owned businesses, and Black community based organizations.” Black families are eligible for up to $3,000 and black-owned businesses for up to $100,000.

    Maria Garcia, owner of the Revolucion Coffee House in Portland, applied for support. She was denied because her business “does not meet the criteria because 0% of its owners identify as Black.” She has sued in federal court, alleging that the denial violates her rights under the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause. Last month a federal court declined a petition in another lawsuit, by the timber company Great Northern Resources, to enjoin further distributions from the Cares Fund. Both cases await a ruling on the constitutional merits.SJ:

    Hispanic –VS-> Black.

    • Replies: @epebble
  122. @Anon

    As happened last summer, there will be an exception made for Democrat-approved riots.

  123. FPD72 says:
    @FPD72

    I meant to type the 1992 immigration act, not the 1972. 1965 and 1992 were the offending years for immigration acts.

    • Replies: @Alden
  124. @Art Deco

    “court-imposed homosexual pseudogamy”

    Lol. Fecal marriage per the King’s English.

    • Agree: Dissident
  125. @anonymous

    Why does Bret say it’s a “catastrophic failure” if we find out that IQ differences are primarily genetic? Does he mean it’s a failure in the sense that we have been wasting our time and money (for the last 60 years at least) on programs and incentives that will never do much to close the gap? Or is it a failure in the sense that it’s just bad news that we don’t want to hear, because we can’t really do anything about it? I suspect Bret and Heather speak about this much differently with one another when the mics are off.

  126. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    They reached whatever level they were going to reach anyway regardless of what whites could do for them. Since their IQs range 80-85% of that of whites they’ll approximate whites to the same extent; come kind of close but not all the way. Dysgenic breeding practices are pulling them down as shown where low-life idiots like G Floyd have all these children that get supported by the welfare system. As a result they’ve been getting dumber and more dysfunctional by the day, a result of no longer having whites oversee their behavior as much. They got their freedom and are now going backwards.

  127. @BenKenobi

    and now you’re posting Fresh Prince clips to some obscure Nazi Golf Course Architecture blog!?

    Exactly. Posting stupid, off-topic, inane pics and youtube videos is Rag Caesar’s job.

    Congrats though to Thumm the Street Pooper for making it through an entire post with a bizarre reference to “white trashionalists”.

  128. Anonymous[713] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cato

    It’s a shame to see Robert Putnam sink to the level of blaming “white backlash” for this. He had been a “noticer”, on a par with Charles Murray,

    Charles Murray voted for Joe Biden.

    Steve Sailer has effectively stopped covering immigration, despite Covid being the opportunity of a lifetime to stop mass immigration, for public health and economic reasons.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    , @J.Ross
  129. @Buffalo Joe

    ‘…People will say “I voted against Trump, not for you or this nonsense.”’

    The difficulty is, that of late no one pays much attention to what people say or want.

    They’ve started deciding that for us, in case you haven’t noticed. If a tree falls in the forest, and the media pretends it didn’t, is there a sound?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  130. JimDandy says:
    @Mike Tre

    Intense local authority to enforce discipline coupled with economic benign neglect to inspire industriousness.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, Pheasant
  131. donut says:
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    I remember abt 40 years ago I think , a judge in a NJ family court had some welfare queen before him , she already had 4 kids and was pregnant again . The judge asked her if she didn’t feel any sense of responsibility to her fellow citizens who were paying for it all . The media outrage was equal to anything we get today and the judge was forced to resign . An early case of cancel culture .

    • Agree: Pheasant, HammerJack
  132. @Art Deco

    Art, their preferred constituencies are not their major donors. Do what you want but not with my money. thank you for the reply.

  133. @Dan Hayes

    Dan, I volunteer in the inner city and yes they do and so do the adults. That word is now meaningless as is the term “racist.” Stay safe.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  134. @Muse

    Have you considered that boot camp and military service in WWII and Korea for young black men may have created discipline and structure, making better men and better fathers of black men?

    That’s an interesting idea, though I doubt the effect is as strong as the other causes already discussed. Still, I’m going to use it in my next debate with liberal family members because part of their liberal catechism is “military=bad”, so it will be entertaining to watch them build circuitous mental workarounds on the fly.

    “End of military conscription led to decline of black fatherhood” will go into my bag of tricks along with “Orthodox Jews for Trump”, “Gay fashion execs push anorexic beauty standards”, “Mexican immigration hurts blacks most”, and “Islam is right about women” as single-sentence liberal-bogglers. Always looking to expand the bag.

  135. Ian Smith says:

    Why did blacks make more progress during Apartheid than after?

  136. Anon7 says:
    @AnotherDad

    Do you think that white people are going to be targeted, in the law, with specific taxes not paid by others? I sincerely doubt that.

    If explicit reparations are paid, they would come out of the big pie of Federal spending. And that’s what I’m saying; some Chinese guy whose entire extended family spent 15 hours per day building their restaurant business is not going to vote to pony up a dime for black reparations. The same goes for the tax-eating illegals (who will be on a path to citizenship by April) who have grown fat on American largesse for the last two generations.

    And why have reparations laws anyway? BLM has already stated that blacks breaking into a store and taking whatever they want constitutes reparations. See 0:25:

    Let’s see if Joe Biden sends in federal troops to protect Apple stores.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Buffalo Joe
  137. Currahee says:

    “…over-policed Black communities”

    Well!! Let’s change that, pronto!

  138. Thomm says:
    @Lot

    who actually will be playing Mr. Unz in the upcoming Lifetime Movies Kamala Harris biopic

    You are correct. Quite a career Ron Unz has had.

    Way back in 1967, he was already a child performer in a traveling circus :
    .

    .
    On top of his recent autobiography about being an IQ 214 person :
    .

    Heh heh heh heh :

    P.S. I can’t believe that there are 70-IQ WN wiggers on this thread that don’t even realized what it means to be humorous. Oh well, they are just 70-IQ, as they demonstrate daily. They probably think that Steve Sailer and Weird Al Yankovic are the same person too.

  139. @Almost Missouri

    All Black paycheck size matters : pause Mexican immigration

  140. Lurker says:
    @Cato

    The crop of neck and face tatooed carjackers that bedevil our streets have been brought into being by the good intentions of people like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

    Nancy and Chuck have good intentions?

  141. faffq says:
    @SINCERITY.net

    William Shockley believed that blacks are under greater dysgenics then whites, the birth rate difference between college educated blacks and non-college educated blacks (a proxy for intelligence) is greater then that of whites. Your right that it’s a matter of intelligence and it’s sad how the racist truth is so suppressed yet it would actually help blacks (and whites).

    I know Ed Dutton & Michael Woodley have written that the white genotypic IQ is down 14 points compared to last century. I don’t know if they have written about blacks but I wouldn’t be shocked if it was higher.

  142. syonredux says:

    ‘God is right here weeping with us’: Historic 19th century East Village church destroyed by raging fire that start from nearby vacant building

    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-nyc-fire-abandoned-building-historic-church-20201205-ece2vdhwnnawfbacrdvvjtemcu-story.html

    • Replies: @prosa123
  143. Currahee says:
    @Anon

    Not sure there are enough blacks left in LA to constitute a respectable riot.

  144. @Anon

    I wonder if they do in pseudo medical virginity restoration rituals.

  145. @Almost Missouri

    Maybe WW II did instill discipline and honor on the one hand. On the other, there’s that lingering question about the numbers of Louis Tills in the armed services.

  146. Neuday says:
    @indocon

    California needed immigration in the 1970’s because Agribusiness didn’t want to pay the wages poor Whites would’ve required and nobody in America wanted to see images of Blacks working in the fields. Had Blacks moved to agricultural States during prior to and during de-industrialization of the North and unionized behind a Black version of Cesar Chavez, they’d be in a better situation today, but open borders prevented that option.

    Blacks used to be pretty well represented in various service and hospitality jobs, but the (((Civil Rights leaders))) taught them insolence and resentment toward Whites to the point that even Black millionaires openly despise Whites. American Blacks speak, or can speak, the same language as Whites, yet nearly every restaurant has a kitchen filled with Spanish-speakers. Same with construction, yard maintenance, and many other jobs. Blacks and Whites have both been taught that manual labor is degrading, so it’s no surprise that the 85IQ group got hit harder by that lie.

    I don’t expect the J/New York Times to recognize how the Blacks were used as a battering ram in an effort to crash America. Why would a people who’ve for centuries benefited by self-segregation admit that forced integration is a path to destruction? The fact is that both Black and White Americans have suffered grievously at the hand of the Chosen. Expose the elites, cancel their Civil Rights acts, and let Blacks and Whites live separately if they choose, with the same laws applying to both and policed by themselves.

  147. I’ve just been reading Curtis Yarvin and he writes about the “human rubble of the old regime’s failed experiments.”

    I wonder what he means by that.

  148. Dan Hayes says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe: In NYC the black adults are more discreet with “n” word usage. Proving that it all hangs out in the northern frontier of Cuomo’s Wonderland!

  149. CCZ says:
    @Anon

    McWhorter thinks that “stopping such policies as the war on drugs—while legalizing drugs—would transform Black communities within a decade.”

    No doubt this will finally transform black communities:

    “New Jersey Governor Murphy and Senate President Stephen Sweeney agreed to a deal that increased the (state marijuana) sales tax to 7% and allowed the nascent Cannabis Regulatory Commission to institute a flat-fee excise tax on cannabis cultivators that would ensure revenue doesn’t dip as the market grows and the price of cannabis falls.

    All revenue from the (marijuana) excise tax would go toward primarily Black communities and the organizations serving them, as would 70% of the (marijuana) sales tax revenue.”

    “…black communities and the organizations serving them” – now that’s a good start on reparations!!

  150. The leftism (i.e. big government) of the ‘60s++ was merely a continuation of the leftism that had been growing, exponentially, for ~175 years.

    The individual liberty gap.

    [MORE]

    On average, the true cost of public education (babysitting) services, in this country, must be ~$20,000 per kid per year.

    The growth of government — even outpacing the inflation (rate) that the government itself creates — means that by 2040, taxpayers will be spending $40,000 per kid.

    The same dismal results, at double the price.

  151. OFF TOPIC-ishFrom sunny Minnesota, the iSteve State [unofficial state motto]:

    Man pleads guilty to murdering pregnant woman near [George] Floyd memorial

    A 27-year-old St. Paul, Minnesota man pleaded guilty to fatally shooting a pregnant woman who was carrying his child, according to the Hennepin County Attorney’s Office.

    Zachary Robinson pleaded guilty to two counts of second-degree murder. Leneesha Columbus, 27, was shot and killed on July 5 about a block away from the George Floyd Memorial site. Columbus was 26 weeks pregnant at the time. After she was shot, medical staff prematurely delivered her baby girl, who died a month later from complications.

    Robinson will serve more than 49 years behind bars for the two deaths.

    Robinson also pleaded guilty to second-degree assault in an unrelated shooting, which happened outside Augie’s in downtown Minneapolis in Dec. 2019. His sentence in that case will be served at the same time as the murder case.

    His sentencing will be on Dec. 11.

    https://www.fox9.com/news/man-pleads-guilty-to-murdering-pregnant-woman-near-floyd-memorial

    I have gradually come to realize that there probably is no “real world”, I’m 90% certain that I’m actually living in a simulation on a computer in a closet in Los Angeles County. Nothing else makes sense.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  152. Seems that other cultures are not that enthusiastic about miscegenation. In the US, the media pushes for white female- black male pairing (and others, too). But there are “mixes” looked down to, perhaps not just racial, but racial-cultural- other countries simply won’t tolerate…..

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/04/india/love-jihad-arrest-india-intl-hnk/index.html

    Indian Muslim student arrested for allegedly trying to convert Hindu woman under controversial ‘love jihad’ law
    ……………….
    The 21-year-old student was arrested on Wednesday in Uttar Pradesh, only days after the state enacted the law targeting “love jihad” — a term used by radical Hindu groups who accuse Muslim men of attempting to convert women of other faiths to Islam.
    ……………………………………
    Critics have called the law Islamophobic, unconstitutional, and regressive. Many are concerned it will lead to misuse and harassment, and that the law will make it increasingly difficult for interfaith couples to marry in the country.

    Other states — including Madhya Pradesh, Haryana, Karnataka, and Assam — have announced plans to follow Uttar Pradesh and introduce similar laws.
    …………….
    In October, the popular jewelry brand Tanishq ran an advertisement featuring an interfaith couple — a Hindu woman and a Muslim man. After right-wing Indians accused them of promoting “love jihad” and trolled them heavily online, the company pulled the ad, saying it feared for the “well being” of its employees.

    In November, authorities accused Netflix of doing the same, after its TV series “A Suitable Boy” featured a scene in which a Hindu woman and a Muslim man share a kiss in front of a Hindu temple. Narottam Mishra, BJP member and home minister of Madhya Pradesh state, said the scene hurt “religious sentiments” and directed officials to look into legal action against the series’ producer and director.

    • Replies: @anon
  153. Jack D says:
    @Barnard

    Or not dropping out. There is no AA for the bar exam (yet) so there are a whole bunch of blacks who spend 3 years over their head in a law school that they are not really qualified for and then can never pass the bar exam. People have been spotting them points their whole life on the SAT, the LSAT, etc. but then they get to the bar exam and they have to compete with whitey on equal terms and it doesn’t go well for them.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  154. Lurker says:
    @BenKenobi

    Same here. I have to keep reminding myself how to read the retarded formatting.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  155. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Look at that, Kamala looks all smitten with Ron. We know she likes rich Jewish guys so instead of Mrs. Emhoff we might’ve seen Ron as First Husband. Can you imagine the poor press secretary??

    “…Next question.”

    “Does President Harris disavow her husband’s comments about the Holocaust never happening?”

    “…Next question.”

    “Does President Harris disavow her husband’s comments about Pearl Harbor and September 11th being false flags?”

    “…Next question.”

  156. American blacks are doing just fine. Their population has more than doubled since 1960.

  157. anon[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest

    Might I be so bold as to flip the question around. Why would “civil rights” and all that jazz help blacks?

    Because their blank slate would be written on in a more positive way. I’m sure that was a selling point, “just remove all the irrational white raycism and the black community will flourish just like wypipo”. When that didn’t work, Affirmative Action was sold in terms of a temporary boost to make up for all the things holding them back. The Bakke decision over 10 years later was sorta like that.

    Reading back upon Midcentury Liberalism, I am reminded of how silly and/or mendacious were reformers and social engineers. Though I can discern some reasons to believe (as Rod Stewart put it), that all disappears with hindsight. Now I know they were wrong, and why.

    The blank slate was and is a fundamental premise of the libtardian world view. Except, of course, when it comes to picking their pediatrician / heart surgeon / oncologist / etc. Then Lawrence Auster’s famous “unprincipled exception” kicks into effect.

    Like Confucius already said, the first step is to call things by their right names.

    • Replies: @Ed
  158. Seriously, two more reasonable explanations are:

    1.That once Jim Crow was gone, blacks fairly quickly reached their level of accomplishment, no longer held down by an elaborate caste system in the South, and have been at about that level ever since.
    2.That the liberalism of the 1960s-1970s (e.g., generous welfare for single mothers and soft-on-crime policies) was bad for black culture, just as the black murder rate has gone up during the Black Lives Matter era.

    Has anyone asked blacks what they want, or do we just assume (and impose upon them) the desires that the Professional Managerial Class wants them to have to be dark-skinned versions of themselves? To me it seems like blacks – left to their own devices – don’t really care much for a stuffy rat race society, and would probably rather luxuriate in a breezy, carefree society that better suits them as is the case in so many small Caribbean island nations. Of course, those Caribbean island nations don’t produce things like COVID-19 vaccines or experimental cancer treatments, but the people there seem quite happy and don’t seem to worry much about that sort of thing. Of course American blacks want the fruits of what American society can produce in terms of luxury goods and other positional assets which confer status, but the doing of the things that must be done to get those things legally (sports or rap star notwithstanding) isn’t really their bag.

    In an alternate history without the Great Migration and the Civil Rights movement, perhaps the great bulk of American blacks are living happily in the rural American South unawares of all of the reasons dreamed up in Universities for why they ought to be so angry all of the time.

    • Replies: @acementhead
  159. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    The comment below with a direct connecting line means the lower comment is replying to the comment directly above it.

  160. Corvinus says:

    “Seriously, two more reasonable explanations are:“

    Lol. You’re not being serious in the least, Mr. Sailer. Rather than actually break down the arguments made by the authors, you simply insert what you’re always going to say no matter what evidence suggests the contrary.

  161. Mr. Anon says:

    There has been some progress in the ensuing two decades, but this is due in part to an increase in premature deaths among working-class whites.

    Progress!

  162. @Old Prude

    That’s a cheap shot at blacks; One can show a thousand photos of classy whites in the 50s, compared to the fat tatooed slobs of today.

    AnotherMom likes the beach, so we live near the beach.

    Walking the beach everyday does not tend to lead to an appreciation of the discipline and/or good sense of my fellow Americans.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  163. J.Ross says:
    @Anon7

    What need is there for overt targeting? We’re the only ones dumb enough to obey police orders, actually pay our taxes, and expect institutions to generally work. In every other community artful accounting is standard.

  164. Mr. Anon says:
    @Wilkey

    Lyndon Baines Johnson is dead. Blacks still vote for Democrats, but Johnson’s policies have screwed over his own people and destroyed our country.

    I guess that depends on just whom Johnson considered to be his own people.

    • Agree: Gordo
  165. @Ganderson

    Gandi, my son in Ohio is coaching kids now at lacrosse skills camps for games in the Spring. He has taken teams to tournaments in NE Ohio and Pa. Not one single health issue, not one. Problem around here in WNY, is that there is hybrid schooling so no PE or sports training. Sadly, you are probably correct. Shame. Stay safe.

  166. @Corvinus

    Lol. You’re not being serious in the least, Mr. Sailer. Rather than actually break down the arguments made by the authors, you simply insert what you’re always going to say no matter what evidence suggests the contrary.

    Is there evidence for “systemic racism?” I mean, evidence other than disparate outcomes?

    How does one measure “White backlash?”

    Why not “the Devil made me do it?” It’s at least as plausible and has as much evidence in its favor as “systemic racism” and “white backlash.”

  167. Mr. Anon says:
    @Old Prude

    That’s a cheap shot at blacks; One can show a thousand photos of classy whites in the 50s, compared to the fat tatooed slobs of today.

    Indeed. The “let-it-all-hang-out/whatever-floats-your-boat” ethos that began in the 60s was bad for whites as well as blacks.

  168. @Anon7

    Anon7, reparations will be the wedge that splits moderate dems away from the fringe. They only coalesced to defeat Trump, not to reward blacks or to hand the presidency to harris. I fervently believe this.

  169. uman says:
    @Travis

    Half of that growth from 2000 – 2020 could be attributed to immigration from south America (haiti, dominican republic) and Africa. If there were no immigration from africa, there wouldn’t be as many black students in Harvard.

    • Replies: @Travis
  170. Back during the days of segregation, South Central Los Angeles had a black middle class with doctors, pharmacists, businessmen, Pullman porters, and whatnot. After desegregation, the “talented tenth” moved into white neighborhoods or areas like View Park, and the resulting exit of human capital in South Central had predictable results. So apparently to leftists it’s normal and natural for educated middle class blacks to want to live apart from underclass blacks, but it’s racist for whites to want to do the same.

  171. pirelli says:

    Moynihan was right.

  172. prosa123 says:
    @syonredux

    No official cause yet, but it would not surprise me if skells camping out in the first building (abandoned after a severe fire in January) started it.
    Second and Seventh has got to be the unluckiest corner in the city. Diagonally opposite this fire, a huge explosion and ensuing fire in 2015 destroyed two large buildings with two fatalities. It happened after a clueless landlady and her adult son hired two unlicensed and untrained “plumbers” to set up an illegal gas hookup. The woman and the two fake plumbers went to prison, while the son – who put together the deal – apparently faked his death and fled the country.

  173. @Anon

    “We need to limit anyone on welfare to 1 kid only, or they get sterilized by force.”

    On Cuck Island, since 2016 you only get benefits for the first two children, with some exceptions for multiple births (and rape). Before that, you could have as many as you liked and get benefits and housing for all of them – some people were on 18 or 19 children.

    So someone with 15 kids in 2015 will still get the goodies for all 15, but someone with two will think hard before having a third if they don’t earn much.

    There is also a “child benefit” which applies to all kids, but it’s £13.95 a week per child, not exactly a money-spinning incentive.

    It’s a particularly good idea from a Brit’s point of view, as there’s a particular fast-growing demographic which has lots of kids and very low incomes (as reported to the tax man), so a lot of benefits. The same demographic seems to have a lot of mental illness – the kind of illness that keeps your details out of the papers when you exsanguinate an angelic little English girl in a public park, or seriously injure English women in Burnley Marks and Spencer while shouting about Jews and Israel.

  174. @Anonymous

    What practical skills do you have in mind for them?

    Painting, nailing shingles, cutting grass. There are a 1000 jobs that are staffed entirely by Mexicans that pay liveable wages and I never see any negroes around here doing any of them in my zip code.

    • Replies: @V. Hickel
    , @Anonymous
  175. Arclight says:
    @Art Deco

    Perhaps my perception is warped by having exclusively lived in cities where blacks were either an outright majority or the 2nd largest group, but I do see them as over represented in municipal government, teaching, and anything that can be considered community development. I regularly have to work with government and various community development/advocacy organizations, and it’s impossible to miss. Notably, other people who have to interact with these organizations of all backgrounds will admit that they are terrible at what they do, although of course you cannot talk about the demographic composition of the least effective arms of government or non-profits that live off of local grants and philanthropy without accomplishing anything.

    • Replies: @John Up North
  176. Anon7 says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    So maybe the Democrats will lose support they bend to the radical groups making demands, and maybe enough moderates will stay home during 2022 to lose the House?

    I hope you’re right. The lesson of this election for me is that a majority of voters will do exactly what they’re told by old media and new social media, and the religion of wokeism. I still see way too many BLM signs.

    A majority of Democrats now approve of violence as a tool to get what they want, in the form of riots and in the form of bullying and excluding Republican poll watchers, which might have made the critical difference in this election. Are there very many moderate Democrats anymore?

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  177. Arclight says:
    @Ganderson

    True, there is what seems to be a growing segment of the white underclass whose behavior is very similar to the black lower class albeit less deadly. It’s a smaller share of the white population than the black underclass is over the overall black population but still a major problem. Once disorder and sloth are tolerated and the more upstanding and middle class people move out, it’s hard to reverse. The only real option would be a radical overhaul of our social welfare system, but there doesn’t seem to be any broad public appetite for that.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  178. Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve finally decided one of the important reasons why Democratic voters are supporting legal weed is to make blacks more drugged up and docile. White Democrats are hoping that if blacks are all high, they won’t be robbing and shooting. The dumb white Democrats don’t realize that blacks already used a ton of weed even before legalization, and it didn’t cut their violence level.

  179. Well, judging by the recently-announced list of US Rhodes Scholars for 2021, it would seem that American Blacks have made astounding progress:

    https://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/media/45256/winners_list_2020.pdf

    A quick count suggests that of the 32 designees, 9 were Black. White (non-Latino) males were 3, plus or minus, I think.

  180. @Dan Hayes

    Same here in Syracuse. Had to switch to a different locker room (for an additional fee) at my local gym because I just couldn’t stand to listen to the loud and constant use of that word by black teenagers and young men. Richard Pryor would be proud.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  181. dvorak says:
    @notsaying

    Black fathers disappearing

    It’s hard today even to understand what patriarchy was like. States’ laws included father custody and fault-only divorce.

    As for unwed mothers, reaction to the film PHILOMENA shows that we moderns lack understanding of the normal patriarchial system. The way that patriarchy dealt with unwed pregnant women was simple: shotgun weddings. (Indeed, shotgun weddings far outnumbered non-shotgun weddings in many areas such as Appalachia). If a woman refused to identify her paramour, the fallback policy was to make sure, by hook or by crook, that she did not keep the baby. PHILOMENA treats this obvious policy as mysterious and bizarrely horrible.

    Patriarchy has a successful track record. Matriarchy, now fifty years in, does not have a successful track record.

  182. @Buffalo Joe

    Mr. Joe, to me, cash reparations are little more than a political slogan, like Defund the Police. Openly giving money to blacks which was taken from people who never owned slaves or had any ancestor who did so would cause a political tsunami. Even the New York Times could not refuse to report on such a program.

    The Dems will need to find a backdoor way to give the blacks money, such as more affirmative action, grants to community non-profits, midnight basketball, Obama-phones, etc.
    That will accomplish the same purpose without the political blow-back.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  183. Blacks will always be 3rd class citizens* regardless of the phony labels applied by the (((media))). They made more progress before the Great Society started taking its toll because it is better to be a 3rd class citizen in a 1st class society (run by non-deviant white males) than it is to be a 3rd class citizen in a 3rd class society.

    *Hispanics make up the 2nd class – though they are closing in on whites and asians.

  184. Arclight says:
    @Spotted Toad

    Absolutely, and nearly everyone instinctively understands this is a major problem.

    However, openly acknowledging this is an implicit criticism of blacks and black culture, and in our current moment it is all about pinning their shortcomings on external factors generated by the existence of white people. Naturally this means we will get more self-destructive personal behavior rather than less, but that will just be treated as evidence that it’s not really their fault, for a time.

    One thing I don’t think the racial justice warriors are considering is that no one has infinite patience, and there will be a point at which a critical mass of non-blacks are just exhausted by the endless demands, accusations, and increased dysfunction and will vote for politicians that promise – albeit indirectly – to take black political and cultural concerns and put them on the back burner, and move everyone else’s higher up the list. Given the changing demographics of the US, I think this means permanent relegation to the back of the proverbial bus.

    • Replies: @bro3886
  185. Pheasant says:
    @Frank McGar

    He means its bad for the Jews.

  186. @Muse

    ‘Have you considered that boot camp and military service in WWII and Korea for young black men may have created discipline and structure, making better men and better fathers of black men? The effect may have began to disappear after the second generation. This training and discipline combined with economic growth may have been a springboard much like the GI bill helped so many retuning white men.’

    On the one hand, I think this might be true. On the other hand, it does nothing to disprove the obvious fact that blacks are on average far less intelligent than members of other races. The two explanations aren’t mutually exclusive.

    However, stereotypes notwithstanding, the US military seems to have made a genuine effort to take in blacks and make decent soldiers out of them in World War Two and Korea. The effort was only partially successful — blacks rarely wound up making decent combat troops — but it was made, and it may have done some good.

  187. @Arclight

    ‘True, there is what seems to be a growing segment of the white underclass whose behavior is very similar to the black lower class albeit less deadly. ‘

    That’s my observation. I’ve moved to a former logging town in Oregon that has seen better days (worst place in the world except for everywhere else). Still logging work, but between one thing and another, not like there used to be.

    There’s a whole population whom I would identify as the third generation of ex-loggers; pretty bad.

    Soo…lots of social dysfunction. But it stops at drug abuse, petty theft, and what appear to be bar fights. No murders, no rapes, no armed robberies, and very few actual burglaries.

  188. So if I read article correctly White Backlash is the reason Black Progress reversed. And evidence of White Backlash was polls taken in 1964. So supposedly White Peoples answers to poll questions stopped All those Kings And Queens and Strong Powerful Loud And Proud Black People from reaching Their Amazingly Divine Destinies? Wow I had no idea how powerful White people were. No wonder we landed on the moon.

  189. anon[159] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Indian Muslim student arrested for allegedly trying to convert Hindu woman under controversial ‘love jihad’ law

    Dude, that has nothing to do with miscegenation such as “white wife / black husband”, and you allegedly are intelligent enough to know that Islam is not a “race”. You’re also enough of a student of history to know the frictions that exist in the subcontinent between Muslim and Hindu….frictions that divided the country right after independence into “India” and “Pakistan”, for example.

    So what’s your point?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  190. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    They haven’t destroyed this country and they haven’t destroyed any Anglo-Caribbean country. You need to get a grip.

    • Replies: @Farenheit
  191. Travis says:
    @uman

    Only 10% of the Growth of our Black population since 1970 has been due to immigration.

    Without immigration the Black population would have grown from 22 million in 1970 to 41 million today – a growth rate of 95% compared to a growth rate of just 10% for American whites over the same time. This is due to their higher fertility.

    From 1960 – 1990 Black females had a much higher fertility rate than whites. in 1990 Black fertility was still higher than whites at 2.5 compared to 1.8 for whites. In 2001 Black fertility was still above replacement at 2.2. And over the last 2 decades Black fertility remains 12% higher than White fertility

    https://www.prb.org/wp-content/uploads/2003/01/USFertilityRatesHigherAmongMinorities.pdf

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  192. @Anon

    So if the drug trade disappears, what the hell are they going to do? Violently rob and burgle white people is what.

    Not even that. Most blacks with IQs under 85 are easy enough to avoid, and they are the kind that lack the planning skills to travel to white neighborhoods. They will mostly keep praying on their own kind.

  193. Yawrate says:
    @Anon

    There is plenty of work for the less intelligent. Trash removal, cartage of various types, landscaping and snow removal, housecleaning. The list is long.

    Trump’s immigration policies led to record low black unemployment. We know many will work if it’s available. Of course we’ll always have people who refuse to work.

    • Replies: @Anon
  194. 3g4me says:
    @AceDeuce

    @97 AceDeuce: Even a sleazy, whore-beating plagiarist occasionally tells the truth.

  195. Michelle says:
    @Lot

    Blacks in the inner cities also suffered from the closing of the auto manufacturing and industrial plants, just as the current “Opiate addicted” whites have. Shipping jobs overseas has been a disaster for Americans, across the board.

  196. @Anonymous

    Charles Murray voted for Joe Biden

    Probably because Trump has done more inadvertently to promote wokeism than AOC or Omar could dream of doing. Trump managed to alienate precisely the educated whites who make this society function. Deciding to let a moral reprobate with a vocabulary of 200 words be the face of White America is not smart.

    • Replies: @Ed
    , @AceDeuce
  197. @Jack D

    People have been spotting them points their whole life on the SAT, the LSAT, etc. but then they get to the bar exam and they have to compete with whitey on equal terms and it doesn’t go well for them.

    Griggs logic.

    Lawyers think that the one-and-only thing that requires an intelligence bar is … being a a lawyer.

    In Griggs, the Supreme Court decides that trivial stuff like operating a power plant doesn’t require any smarts not like something important like being say … a Supreme Court Justice, and hence the 4/5ths rule. A self-debunking decision opinion on “intelligence” if there ever was one.

    • Replies: @Alden
  198. 3g4me says:
    @Element59

    @101 Element 59: Your reasoning is too simple for the great big IQ Steve readers. They will all ponder fatherless families and illegitimacy and immigration and Johnson and so forth ad nauseam. Of course, all of this concern about how ‘well’ blacks are doing anyhow is another symptom of the Sailer crowd’s pathology. Whites ought to be concerned with their own people and future. Endless piffle about an alien race and people is wasted energy by people useless to a White future.

    • Agree: Travis, Alden, Bert
  199. @Frank McGar

    In just the literal scientific sense, the IQ of any group can be increased relatively rapidly by just those below a certain IQ having zero children for 5 – 10 generations. Say we wanted to have smarter people. Then only those whites with IQ over 100 would have children and those below that IQ threshold would have zero, but be compensated with an annual supplementary income of say, $12k. It is not genocide. No one is being killed. Quite the opposite. And those folks of any race who are above 100 could have all the kids they wanted with the usual tax deductions per dependent, etc. With enough labor saving automation, a place like China would actually give it a go.

  200. Ed says:
    @anon

    Stumbled on this old article about a lawsuit in the early 80s that sought to eliminate IQ tests in Chicago public schools because blacks failed them thoroughly and completely.

    https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/the-intelligence-question/Content?oid=3386384

    Barbara scored in the 70s on a standardized IQ test. And that, with average intelligence pegged at 100 through 109, is a very dim bulb indeed.

    But if Barbara is stupid, so are a lot of other black people. All black people score 12 to 15 points lower on IQ tests than all white people do. Even middle-class black people. Not just IQ tests, either. Black people have trouble with all major tests. Personnel tests. College boards. Law school admission tests. Scholastic aptitude tests. You name it; they flunk it more than white people do.

    In almost every school system in the United States, including Chicago, black children are statistically more likely than white children to be placed in classes for the mentally retarded. There are 11,000 such children in Chicago alone. And Barbara Browley stands for all of them. In this class-action suit against the Chicago public schools, Barbara and another black girl, Angela Johnson, are the “named plaintiffs”—the stand-ins for 10,998 other Chicago black children in classes for the mentally retarded. Indirectly, they stand for all black people everywhere.

  201. @Anon

    I believe Mary Todd Lincoln looked for comfort from a black healer/witch during her husband’s presidency.

    • Replies: @Alden
  202. Anonymous[713] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cato

    once Jim Crow was gone, blacks fairly quickly reached their level of accomplishment, no longer held down by an elaborate caste system in the South, and have been at about that level ever since.

    Occam’s razor suggests that one should select this as the most parsimonious explanation.

    That “explanation” is premised on the malicious lie that blacks were oppressed by white people.

    Giving blacks access to white people is not tantamount to “the opposite of oppression.” Unless your measure of “oppression” is lesser versus greater access to white people.

    • Replies: @bro3886
  203. @Arclight

    In Chicago we now have a black Mayor, a black Police Chief, a black State’s Attorney and a black Cook County Board President. All four are pretty useless. One would think that Chicago is a majority black city, but it is not. Chicago is about 1/3 white, 1/3 hispanic, and 1/3 black.

  204. Farenheit says:
    @Art Deco

    Jamaica’s murder rate is 47/100,000, compared to the US black rate of 34 per, and the US white rate of ~4 per…that might not be “destroyed”, but you’re not a thriving society with that level of violence.

    • Replies: @Ed
  205. @anon

    Great Confucius quote, one of my favorites. Directly applicable to my work as a software engineer; I cite the first two sentences all the time.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  206. Kronos says:
    @jamie b.

    Here you go.

    • Thanks: jamie b.
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  207. epebble says:
    @anon

    identify as Black

    Why doesn’t she identify herself as Black and see what happens? If she fills a form and checks Black, is it a mistake, misdemeanor or felony? All Homo Sapiens originated in Ethiopia.

  208. vinteuil says:
    @Thomm

    If only it could be like that.

  209. @Hypnotoad666

    Yeah, immigration and deindustrialization pushed lots of Blacks out of the labor force.

  210. Charlotte says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I read Anne Moody’s memoir, Coming of Age in Mississippi, long ago. She was born to sharecroppers in 1940, and described a lot of family dysfunction and self-destructive behavior, especially among her male relatives, if I remember correctly. I suspect the welfare state didn’t so much create bad behavior as make it increasingly attractive to those with the least prospects/lowest community standards.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @njguy73
  211. @additionalMike

    additionalMike, “Defund the Police” is maybe a slogan to you and me but to the radical left it is “Abolish the Police” and to the majority of blacks, reparations means cash in hand. The programs you propose are same old, same old. California is already exploring how to pay reparations to blacks and slavery was never legal in California. Stay safe buddy.

  212. @Colin Wright

    Colin, the big push was to dethrone Trump, riots, looting, arson, whatever it took. Now, people will push back and dems will lose elections or at the very least, nominations. Nobody in their right mind believes property crimes are not crimes. An increase of 537% carjackings in Minneapolis, if that is the city, murder rates skyrocketing and release on no bail. Sanity soon returns. Stay safe.

  213. Anonymous[713] • Disclaimer says:
    @Random Anonymous

    Great Confucius quote, one of my favorites. Directly applicable to my work as a software engineer; I cite the first two sentences all the time.

    Could you give us an example or two of how this quote can be employed in the software work context?

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  214. @anon

    Who? Whom?

    Both Islam’s & Hindu’s color is brown; what happens there that one group with clearly defined identity has taken decisive steps to separate the communities’ mixing which, according to Islam’s rules, would weaken Hinduism & which Western-led media are pushing down their, the dominant people’s, throats.

    Similarly, wake (not “woke”) Western, “white” political & cultural elites should consider outlawing or publicly shaming the media barrage which aims at the dissolution & diminishment of the dominant white peoples-so off with browns, blacks, Muslims, Hindus, yellows,…who are not “us”.

    Let them arrange their lives as they like, but the white Euro-American culture should attack & annihilate those race/culture mixing shit that has been accelerating this once great nation & transforming it into a pile of dung.

    For if you are not white, you are not Westerner, you belong to unassimilable non-Western cultures, your cultural codes are not European-American….. you are other. And you will, of necessity, in a short time, become a hostile other.

    And only fools stay passively in the sight of doom.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  215. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    Charles Murray has always had this clueless desire to be a swamp creature and does everything he can to encourage the forces which keep him in exile from respectability in the hopes that they will hire him to narc on all his friends. This is to do with how fast things have changed: he effectively thinks it’s like the 80s.

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
  216. @Almost Missouri

    I’m skeptical. Anyone who served with Blacks in Vietnam will tell you that they did a lot to ruin unit cohesion and were involved with a large number of incidents of fragging.

    In today’s military, the high rate of Black sexual violations (of both females AND males) is a major issue. Blacks commit a lot of sexual harassment, molestation, and rape.

    American military leaders may put a happy PC face on the whole thing, but Black soldiers have always been very poorly regarded. In many cases, they’re a net negative for whoever has the misfortune to serve alongside them.

    As for the decline in Black fatherhood, that’s partly related to the falling economic prospects of Black men and the rising possibility of generous welfare payments for Black women. Also, when lots of Blacks moved from the rural South to the big cities, the culture of anonymity gave Blacks more leeway to indulge their worst tendencies. In particular, they got lots of sexual freedom and the opportunity to sleep around with a ton of women, which made marriage seem stupid. In a small town, it’s tough to misbehave when everyone knows you and your family.

  217. V. Hickel says:
    @Morton's toes

    the answer as always, is: THEY NEED TO GO BACK

    • Replies: @BB753
  218. @JohnnyWalker123

    I’m skeptical. Anyone who served with Blacks in Vietnam will tell you that they did a lot to ruin unit cohesion and were involved with a large number of incidents of fragging.

    American military leaders may put a happy PC face on the whole thing, but Black soldiers have always been very poorly regarded. In many cases, they’re a net negative for whoever has the misfortune to serve alongside them.

    In this NBC 1967 documentary, the US Army unit leader Lewis B. Larry had a daughter and her mother that lived in Chicago; the daughter attended Parkside elementary school, same school that Paramont’s Sherry Lansing attended a decade earlier (The school and neighborhood was White.).

    In this film you can see the early M16E1 rifles and pre-M203 40mm grenade launchers.

  219. Alden says:

    There is only one reason blacks made so much progress between 1940 and 1972. A rising tide lifts all boats.

    Everybody including blacks in America made progress between 1940 and 1972 due to A War industry B labor unions and higher pay for everyone C post war prosperity due effects of the war on Europe, Japan and China. Plus the communist takeover of China.

    After 1972, prices rose wages fell, Japan exported to the US imported nothing, Feinstein’s husband and others plotted the opening to China and affirmative action non White immigrants poured in.

    Wages fell and continue to fall. Taxes and regulations make success in small business harder and harder All these regulations and taxes favor immigrants from corrupt crooked countries. Only stupid Americans and Hispanic small businesses pay taxes and respect regulations.

    Economically, blacks are part of the prosperous middle class, barely making it middle class, poor working class poor welfare class and lowest homeless class. A few, like Johnson publishers, sports, entertainment politicians are very wealthy upper class incomes.

    No matter what race sex ethnic religious regional group, economic class rules all.

    All classes & races rose during WW2 and the less than 20 year post war prosperity.

    And who cares about blacks? I sure don’t. I care about pro White Whites.

    Every word in the NYSlimes is a lie except the date.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  220. Alden says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Black military, black civil service will be the downfall of America.

  221. Alden says:
    @John Up North

    The Lincoln’s lost 2 out of 4 sons in a short time. Heartbreaking but normal for the time. Mary Lincoln, like many at the time had seances to contact the dead with a White woman medium who contacted the ghosts of dead relatives.

    Mrs Lincoln’s black friend was a fashionable clothing designer , Elizabeth Keckley.

    Something for the anti vaxxers * to do. Just start reading biographies of people prominent before 1900 to realize how many children died from TB diphtheria, Scarlett fever pertussis polio and other diseases. Or go back in your family history. Couple after couple, 5 or 6 children born, only 3 survived to adulthood.

    * I don’t mean covid hoax vaccine which will probably be just normal saline. I mean vaccines for the formerly deadly diseases that killed so many. The vaccines we’ve been using for 80 years with no ill ill effects .

    • Replies: @njguy73
  222. Anon[575] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yawrate

    There is plenty of work for the less intelligent. Trash removal, cartage of various types, landscaping and snow removal, housecleaning. The list is long.

    You have to assume that blacks will accept working at menial jobs where they make up 90+ percent of the workers, and you have to accept that the woke and politicians and judges will be O.K. with that.

    You also have to consider that the military, which has experience with sub 85ers (vd. McNamara’s Folly by Hamilton Gregory), won’t take them. What do they know?

    Also, you need to know that IQ predicts your ability to do all kinds of things that you wouldn’t expect (vd. Russell Warne’s new book’s chapter 22, “Myth: IQ Scores Only Measure How Good Someone is at Taking Tests” for a long list.

    For example, cartage, you say? Trash and snow removal? You’re going to need a smarter babysitter to drive the vehicles:

    A large, longitudinal study of ex-servicemen in Australia found that safe driving relates to IQ level. Rates of death from motor vehicle accidents doubled and then tripled across three ranges of normal IQ: In the 100-115 IQ range, there were 51 deaths per 10,000 men; at IQ 85-100, there were 92 deaths; and at IQ 80-85, there were 147 deaths.

    Maybe self-driving vehicles will save the day, but the automation won’t stop at the driving.

    One area where low intelligence employees seem to congregate these days, as is obvious from media coverage of “essential coronavirus employees,” are jobs caring for the eldery, infirm, and sick. These are not the RNs, but the bed pan handlers. And it scares me to death to think that my fate will be in the hands of people who are not only stupid, but resentful against me and my kind.

    • Replies: @Ed
    , @acementhead
  223. @Anonymous

    Reading and understanding computer code is much like reading and understanding an English language description of something fairly complicated, but is rather more difficult, partly because computer coding is learned much later than English and is less natural to a human being. The more clearly, specifically, and accurately written the code, the easier it is to understand the purpose and function of any given portion, and it is then easier to use, correct, extend, or simply just understand it.

    Despite this, one of the best software engineers of my experience made one of the most egregious violations of this I have ever seen. In a context where more information is not necessary, it’s not unusual to simply name a variable after its type. For example, List list = new List(). This engineer had written a subsytem involving several files containing code more like: List map = new List(); Map set = new Map(); Set list = new Map(), but with types of his own which I was attempting to understand. Imagine how much more difficult this would make it to understand the code.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=importance+of+good+names+in+software+engineering

    • Replies: @epebble
  224. Art Deco says:
    @Alden

    Wages fell and continue to fall.

    They did not and they do not.

    • Replies: @Alden
  225. MBlanc46 says:
    @Anonymous

    The goal is acceptable. The means of enforcing it were sometimes excessive.

  226. Ed says:
    @Farenheit

    I think both your black and white rate for the US are wrong . The national rate is 4 per 100k. The white rate is around 2. The black rate is 18 per 100k.

  227. Ed says:
    @Anon

    The military has attracted above average black representation for decades now. Interesting though that black women make up nearly a 1/3 of enlisted women whereas black men make up 1/6 of enlisted men.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/214869/share-of-active-duty-enlisted-women-and-men-in-the-us-military/

    • Replies: @Alden
  228. Ed says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    No, Murray is an elitist at his core and finds Trump uncouth.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  229. MBlanc46 says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe, I just don’t see how the Dem nabobs can not want Harris given the way that they engineered her onto the ticket.

  230. @Kronos

    All it needs is this attachment, to convert from £sd to decimal:

  231. epebble says:
    @Random Anonymous

    He was obviously trying to obfuscate his code to keep it proprietary.

    In software development, obfuscation is the deliberate act of creating source or machine code that is difficult for humans to understand. Like obfuscation in natural language, it may use needlessly roundabout expressions to compose statements. Programmers may deliberately obfuscate code to conceal its purpose (security through obscurity) or its logic or implicit values embedded in it, primarily, in order to prevent tampering, deter reverse engineering, or even to create a puzzle or recreational challenge for someone reading the source code. This can be done manually or by using an automated tool, the latter being the preferred technique in industry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obfuscation_(software)

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  232. Alden says:
    @Art Deco

    Wages have stagnated since 1970. When wages stagnate and prices rise, wages fall.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @silviosilver
  233. Alden says:
    @AnotherDad

    Even worse was Kaiser vs Weber 1979. The representatives of Satan on earth decided it is discriminatory to require a steel mill foreman to have a high school diploma or GED and be able to do simple math and read.

    Here’s one of the questions

    Your crew normally has 20. You can’t operate with less than 17. It’s flu season and only 15 come to work one day. Do you?

    A close down and send everybody home
    B start work as usual
    C don’t start work notify supervisor
    D don’t start work notify supervisor and HR.

    So rather than deal with affirmative action incompetents, the manufacturers moved overseas.

    For about 20 years, San Francisco Police department exams did not require the ability to read. A recording recited the questions and answers. They did have to fill in the A B C D circles

    • Replies: @Olwein Ollie
  234. Alden says:
    @Ed

    Above average blacks. IQs between 86 and 90 I assume?

  235. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Morton's toes

    What practical skills do you have in mind for them?

    Painting, nailing shingles, cutting grass. There are a 1000 jobs that are staffed entirely by Mexicans that pay liveable wages and I never see any negroes around here doing any of them in my zip code.

    That’s because the Mexicans are doing them. These Mexicans stole their jobs.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @3g4me
    , @Morton's toes
  236. @John Mansfield

    An idiotic statement. You have no actual proof that a “god” exists. You are using subjective bias to state what you assume is objective fact. Irrational and illogical thought is the biggest downfall of any country. Once the citizens of a society believe in fallacy, the rulers of the people will begin to deceive the working classes for the benefit of the powerful.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  237. keypusher says:
    @Anon

    If Trump wins

    Stop embarrassing yourselves, Trumpistas. Nobody’s doing a goddammed thing out of fear/hope that Trump is going to win.

  238. @Alden

    Another illogical, moronic statement. No proof of a “satan”. I haven’t been on this site in several years. Looks like the IQ’s of the people on the site have dropped several points. Nietzsche would be ashamed.

  239. Dan Hayes says:
    @Ed

    Murray’s insufferable elitism is only surpassed by that of George Will’s! 😎

  240. TyRade says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Made same mistake. But she’s Uber-woke to make up for lack of hue. Here her once sentence self-statement
    “I’m a writer and a changemaker pursuing connection, community, and healing in a fragmented world.”

    ‘pursuing…community’. Mmm.

  241. duncsbaby says:
    @BenKenobi

    In this instance, Steve is retweeting Ron Fiorani’s original tweet.

    I had to look up who Ron Fiorani is, by the way, never heard of him. I see he has some baseball subject tweets so I guess that’s maybe why Steve follows him in the first place and saw his tweet. Or maybe someone else retweeted his original tweet which is how Steve saw it.

    Also apparently he’s retired from “the Department of Defense Office of Small Business Programs (OSBP)” accordingly he appears to be a soft-headed neocon type who’s gone moo-moo over the moon for muh Blacks. Waste of space sucking on the govt teat his whole life.

  242. duncsbaby says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    49 year prison sentence for killing his baby-momma and his baby. He’ll get out before he’s 50.

  243. BB753 says:
    @Art Deco

    Lucky you! Even adjusting for inflation?

  244. BB753 says:
    @V. Hickel

    Who? The Mexicans or Blacks?

  245. Bert says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You say that U.S. whites and blacks are “doomed to mutual annihilation.” How will a low-IQ, unorganizable 40 million annihilate a higher IQ, organizable 180 million? I would really like to know the specifics of what you foresee.

    • Replies: @Travis
    , @Alden
  246. Bert says:

    In the PBS video featuring Putnam (https://shaylynromneygarrett.com/about/), he says that his high income and those of his neighbors bordering a New England lake should not be so much above the incomes of average folks living 500 yards away from the lake. Evidently, now at the end of his own “good life” Putnam thinks socialism should level incomes and thereby make personal financial progress more difficult for hard-working, disciplined individuals than it was for him. What a cowardly attitude. Wokeism is a religion which strips every bit of dignity from its adherents.

    • Agree: acementhead
  247. @Dan Hayes

    Well, to his credit, he’s improving. I’m sure he didn’t sit on this one for five years like he did his diversity-destroys-trust study.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  248. @Travis

    Does your calculation attribute births to blacks of immigrant background to “due to immigration”? I assume it would make some difference.

    • Replies: @Travis
  249. @Alden

    Even measures that show stagnant wages still express the figures in real wages, meaning that inflation (“price rises”) has already been accounted for. This is elementary.

  250. @Olwein Ollie

    No, it’s not necessary that God actually exist for belief in him or abandonment of belief in him to be potentially socially impactful. I don’t claim to know whether declining belief has had the deleterious effects that are often claimed, but if those effects do exist, they exist whether God exists or not.

  251. njguy73 says:
    @Alden

    Read about the tragic life of President and Mrs. Franklin Pierce.

    • Replies: @Alden
  252. njguy73 says:
    @Charlotte

    If you subsidize something, you get more of it.

    If you tax something, you get less of it.

    This is Economics 101.

  253. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    And you will, of necessity, in a short time, become a hostile other.

    Please explain. What is your reasoning?

  254. AceDeuce says:
    @Old Prude

    Your cucking BS post actually contains a kernel of truth:

    One reason for the (self-limited) success of blacks back then is that they were forced to try to act like whites.

    One reason for our country’s current downfall is that blacks are now allowed to act like blacks–and whites have been brainwashed to act like blacks, as well.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  255. AceDeuce says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I’ll never forget cuckboi Murray state that he’d rather live in a Latino barrio than a lower-class “white bread” (his term) neighborhood. He wouldn’t actually do so in a million years. Meanwhile the cuckboi lives in an all-white rural Maryland town far away from any ghettoes or barrios.

  256. 3g4me says:
    @Anonymous

    @241 Anonymous[173]: “That’s because the Mexicans are doing them. These Mexicans stole their jobs.”

    Not quite. That’s because White Americans are addicted, like the chamber of commerce, to cheap labor, and the Mexicans will work for less than anyone accustomed to a first world lifestyle (as American blacks are, due to infrastructure and gibs from Whitey). Mexicans also tend to be more passive and less disruptive than black laborers. They generally do a shoddy job of whatever work they’re hired for, but they work cheap and don’t raise too much of a fuss. Most people prefer that to dealing with blacks. Note, I am in NO way endorsing the hiring of immigrant labor. Whites need to relearn how to do their own manual labor and take pride in it – it was the outsourcing of cotton picking that started the whole mess anyhow. We have our own left end of the IQ cohort and they need jobs too. Do your own work or hire your own people, and pay them a fair wage. Don’t put your wallet before your healthy ethnocentric community. (Caveat – this applies solely in a White capacity; in multikulti clownworld, get what you can from the maggot-ridden corpse and use it for your own White children.)

  257. @Anonymous

    Moving. When I moved in the three guys who did all the work were Negroes. So there is at least one job the Mexicans have not 100% taken over. I’m moving out soon. Now that I think about it I am curious to see who is going to show up.

    (If the employers would rather hire Mexicans than Negroes that is not the fault of the Mexicans and it is rather insulting to say the Mexicans stole the jobs. They work hard for the money.)

  258. bro3886 says:
    @Arclight

    David Cole “California Secedes From Black America:”

    https://www.takimag.com/article/california-secedes-from-black-america/

    Money shot:

    “But no, Prager U grads, Latinos and Asians did not rebuff Prop. 16 because they “rejected identity politics.” Something was indeed “rejected,” but no one wants to acknowledge what it was. Here’s a simple truth that none of the analysts left or right are willing to admit: Prop. 16 was a referendum on blacks. Not “diversity,” not “identity politics,” but blacks. Everyone with half a brain understood that Prop. 16 was there to help blacks, and blacks alone. Asians and Latinos are doing exceptionally well in the UC system (Asians are overrepresented, and Latinos, represented at roughly their percentage of the population, outnumber non-Hispanic whites). Blacks are the ones who need the “special help.” They’re the ones who feel like they can’t compete without being given extra points for melanin.

    Proposition 16 posed a question to the people of California: Wanna help a brother out?

    And Californians said no.”

  259. Travis says:
    @Bert

    Bardon did not state that Blacks would annihilated whites. He stated that Blacks and whites are both doomed due to the influx of Asians and Latinos into America. Whites are doomed because of the influx of non-whites combined with the extremely low fertility of whites. The White population is in decline. This would not be a big problem if we closed our borders to non-whites. But we continue to allow millions of non-whites in America each year.

    Since 2015 more whites have died than were born in the United States. The US population has grown by 20 million since 2010 and 95% of the growth is from non-whites. By 2040 whites will be a minority in the US. Whites are doomed to lose their majority.

    decade – white Births –
    50-59 – 35 million
    60-69 – 31 million
    70-79 – 26 million
    80-89 – 25 million
    90-99 – 23 million
    00-09 – 21 million
    10-19 – 19 million
    20-29 – 17 million projected whites births

    2021 may be the first year in which the number of white births is below the number of immigrants.
    2018 was a record low for white births, falling below 1.8 million (lowest on record)
    2020 is expected to be another new low, could fall below 1.7 million White births

    The birthrate is a barometer of despair, young people won’t make plans to have babies unless they’re optimistic about the future. With white births declining from already extremely low levels and our open border policies are being expanded. Whites are doomed because they stopped getting married and having children and 10% of white women are having non-white babies.

  260. RonaldB says:
    @tyrone

    Robert Putnam was a liberal, but competent social scientist with that rare quality, integrity. He didn’t like the results of his studies, but reported them nevertheless. A proponent of aggressive integration, he had to report that diverse communities are a source of unhappiness, anomie, and social friction. His findings on the progress of blacks (or the total lack, thereof) are solid; his speculations as to the causes are totally separate from the empirical data and can be safely discounted.

  261. @JohnnyWalker123

    I agree with what you wrote. As mentioned, I doubt the effect of military discipline on the black community was large enough to matter. The value of the argument is that it short circuits habitual liberal programming, and since they don’t use facts or logic anyway, they’ll never come up with the kind of response that you just did.

  262. Alden says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Perhaps I’m too dumb to grasp Econ 101 and liberalogy. But; did any of these great intellectuals ever think that:

    1 Just moving from a town where they made 40 cents an hour to a town where they made $1 an hour raised incomes?

    2 That rents and housing costs in the great industrial cities fell as the blacks terrorized and drive away their White neighbors, thus making rents cheaper for the blacks?

    I’d like to compare housing costs in industrial towns in industrial towns like Gary Indiana, Newark, Camden NJ, Richmond and Oakland Ca industrial suburbs of Los Angeles in 1950 before blacks took over through terrorism and say, 1980 when those towns were complete total dangerous ghettoes.

  263. Alden says:
    @Bert

    Check how Lenin’s murders killed millions of Russians during the early 1920s. And how Stalin Killed millions more in the 1930s. Then how how Stalin sent tens of thousands of Russian soldiers to death in Siberia in 45-46 after WW2 ended.

    Or ask yourself how is it that dumb, dis functional blacks were able to take over our great cities from Whites in the mid 20th century?

  264. @Vox Australis

    It’s quite remarkable how Harry O’Brien can shop around for the domicile that provides the required degree of victimhood.

    I know well socialized skilled Whites stuck in the country of their birth.

  265. Alden says:
    @Anon

    11 AM this warm sunny Sunday morning in LA. Not a pedestrian or driver in sight. Not even skateboarders in the skate board park. Even 7-11 parking lot is empty. Not even dog walkers on their way to the park.

    Remember those after the bomb empty city movies? That’s what it looks like. There’s an small office building totally empty for months. Bushes haven’t been pruned since. Bushes face west so reach for the afternoon sun and have half covered the city sidewalk. Time to call street dept.

    That’s the negative. What’s good is the library and VA social services food bank haircut clothes events have been closed since March.

    So the drugged drunken deranged black homeless veterans went somewhere else. Not traumatized combat veterans. Useless slugs who spent their 3 years stealing from the ware house doing drugs and harassing the women.

    Covid hoax quarantine joke. “ The first year is the hardest”

    • Replies: @Onebelowall
  266. Why Did Blacks Make More Progress Before Civil Rights Than After?

    Who cares?

    • Agree: Alden, 3g4me
  267. @epebble

    Nah, we worked for the same company. He knew what he meant, so it didn’t confuse him.

  268. The Civil Rights Act was never intended to help Blacks, but designed to create generations of slaves to the system.

    Created welfare mothers, women with children who were forced to choose between a man in the house or receiving free money from the government. Destroying black two parent families which were normal prior to CRA.

    At the same time Hollywood and Media were making divorce a trivial affair for whites. Serial repetitions of “Till death do us part” devalue the phrase.

    I was ten years old in 1960 and a child of divorce, when I wondered “if marriage doesn’t work out for them (actors and actresses), why do they keep doing it over and over?” [Turns out Hollywood marriages are fake and just another scripted performance.]

    Followed on by the liberation of women from the shackles of matrimony, to have sexual freedom, aka the freedom to become sluts. They may now own their genitals, but now they’re of little value.

    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Art Deco
  269. Travis says:
    @silviosilver

    No, just looked at the number of African Immigrants since 1965. So it would make a difference. it would also make a difference for the white growth rate

    3 million Black immigrants from Africa since 1965
    12 million white immigrants from Europe and Canada over the same time period.

    60% of the growth of the White population in the United States since 1970 is due to immigration. The white population has increased by 20 million over the last 5 decades and during this time 12 million whites have immigrated into the United States.

  270. Alden says:
    @FPD72

    Don’t forget Regean’s 85,86? amnesty that legalized millions of illegals.

  271. Alden says:
    @SaneClownPosse

    Another bitter Man of UNZ who hasn’t gotten over his parents divorce and his inability to attract a woman.

    This site should be renamed The We Hate Women Review.

  272. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    Completely agree that Whites really, really need to stop obsessing about blacks and concentrate on survival of Whites.

  273. Alden says:
    @njguy73

    I just read it. It was typical of life before modern sanitation medicine and vaccines. Pierce was the child of father’s second wife. First died in childbirth. None of his children survived. No wonder his wife was depressed.

    The original John Rockefeller’s mother was married 3 times. So was Henry 7 mother.

    I was in college young adult during LBJ’s great society. This was major major reason for welfare subsidy of black families. The reason black children grew up to be teen moms, thugs and criminals was mommy had to work. So if black mommies stayed home to raise the kids the kids would grow up civilized ha ha.

    So the White mommies went to work to pay the taxes for black mommies to stay home. And Whute still grew up civilized. Blacks did not

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  274. Dan Hayes says:
    @silviosilver

    Yes, but Putnam’s final (but tardy) solution was a garrison military state!

  275. Alden says:

    Before LBJ and the affirmative action act of 1968, president John Kennedy created affirmative action through his executive order 10925 March 6 1961 a mere 7 weeks after his inauguration. He also created the commission for equal employment opportunity in that executive order. In 1956, Eisenhower sent federal troops with bayonets and even a tank to Tennessee and Arkansas.

    Almost 60 years after the satanic supremes destroyed the public school system with desegregation, Whites are still fussing, fuming, and obsessing with blacks.

    Who cares? Can’t blacks and liberals just take our taxes? Why bother us with their useless studies and observations.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  276. Art Deco says:
    @SaneClownPosse

    The Civil Rights Act was never intended to help Blacks, but designed to create generations of slaves to the system.

    It was an amendment to commercial law which diminished the right of vendors to restrict their custom. It could not do what you propose was it’s purpose.

    Created welfare mothers, women with children who were forced to choose between a man in the house or receiving free money from the government. Destroying black two parent families which were normal prior to CRA.

    It didn’t do that either. The program to which you are referring is AFDC, which was enacted in 1935. The social phenomenon did not get off the ground until about 1958. As it happens, people’s preferences in family relations are only weekly related to these sorts of cash transfers. Illegitimacy was a wildfire through segments of the population which never received a dime from AFDC and the replacement of AFDC with TANF (and the coincident cut in the census of beneficiaries by 2/3) had little effect on rates of illegitimacy.

  277. Art Deco says:
    @Alden

    AA did not exist prior to 1966 and was not of significance until about 1970/71.

  278. Art Deco says:
    @Alden

    The reason black children grew up to be teen moms, thugs and criminals was mommy had to work.

    The share of live births accounted for by mothers under the age of 20 has been declining for 60 years.

  279. KenH says:

    The standard line (lie) among the media and left wing pointy heads is that black communities are “overpoliced” but local police just concentrate their resources on the areas with the most crime and high crime areas are always disproportionately black and sometimes Latino (much to the chagrin of Ron Unz).

    Up until 1965 Western cultural norms like the nuclear family, marriage and monogamy were superimposed on American blacks which obviously did them some good compared to today. But after 1965 the law of the jungle returned and black communities returned to their tribal African roots of tribal warfare (Bloods vs. Crips, etc.), male philandering with one male having relationships and siring children with several women and a rejection of civilized behavior as “selling out to whitey” and a betrayal of their (savage) African roots.

    Murder and mayhem are now seen as badges of honor among young, fatherless men in urban black communities.

    Blacks will never reach parity with whites outside of a small number of exceptions and it’s a crime against humanity to continue blaming and punishing whites for the various gaps that are due to almost entirely to nature and not nurture.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  280. Aardvark says:
    @Wilkey

    I have felt like the British pilloried the United States 200 years in to the future by teaching India, one of their colonies at the time, to speak English. Once the intersection of technology, the desire for less expensive labor and loose immigration policy occurred, American tech workers were ripe for the picking as they were brutally and systematically replaced with and seemingly endless stream of H1-B’s.
    Fast forward to your comment and it is those same chickens coming home to roost.
    Could it have been dramatically different if the colonial occupiers had never taught their languages around the world?

    • LOL: Malla
    • Replies: @Malla
  281. Old Prude says:
    @AceDeuce

    So who brainwashed the whites to act like blacks? If you are correct and the blacks have just reverted to their natural state, what does that say about the fat tattooed white slobs? Something even less flattering? Yes?

  282. Art Deco says:
    @KenH

    The explosion in illegitimate child-bearing happened in every occidental country you’d care to name. The problem wasn’t as prevalent in France as it was among American blacks, but it was vastly more common there by 1990 than it had been in 1960.

    • Replies: @KenH
  283. @Anon

    “Let’s keep drugs illegal for their and our sakes.”

    LOL

  284. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    “Of course, those Caribbean island nations don’t produce things like COVID-19 vaccines or experimental cancer treatments, but the people there seem quite happy and don’t seem to worry much about that sort of thing.”

    Yeah, the happy people of the Caribbean are too busy killing each other to worry about doing anything useful.

    The intentional homicide rate of the happy Caribbean countries is 10 to 60 times that of New Zealand(and NZ has lots of Maoris and diversity).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

  285. @Anon

    “And it scares me to death to think that my fate will be in the hands of people who are not only stupid, but resentful against me and my kind.”

    Do not ever, come what might, go into a care facility. If at all infirm, and elderlyish, do not even go to hospital. Die in dignity at home.

    It’s probably illegal for me to point out that inert gas asphyxiation is painless and clean, so I won’t. Not only that but I advise that nobody ever should take his own life. Ever.

  286. Malla says:
    @hhsiii

    Both Whites and immigrants. The Hispanics, da dot Indians, da A-rybs, you names it.
    During segregation, atleast a lot of the money in the Black community stayed in the community, in black businesses, in black restaurants etc….

  287. Malla says:

    American Blacks (maybe unwittingly) made a Faustian deal with the devil, now they AS A TRIBE/NATION, pays the price. Cultural Marxism and family destruction came with it. Irrational Hate YT (& hate Jap) are virulent mental diseases among darkies (and other East Asians/Whites w.r.t. Japs.) and brings curses on TRIBES/NATIONS and one has to pay the price, eventually. Trust me on this, you.
    Look at Haiti with her Voodoo Freemasonic genocide of Whites. That land and people are cursed. Earthquakes, Cyclones, mudcake eatin…. the Universe takes its retribution at regular intervals. Yall makes the deals, yall must pays da price.

    Talking of Faust, it is interesting that even the Great Douglas Reed uses this term when certain men from ((Eastern Europe)) went about in their satanic business of riling the blacks against YT in South Africa. From Douglas Reed’s book ‘South of the Suez’.

    “The dark man wants to see the white man’s town, to earn a few coins, to buy enchanting
    things in the white man’s bazaars. One day he disappears from the kraal and travels perhaps hundreds of miles through scrub and bush. He slips across the frontier and soon another lost one joins Johannesburg’s dark legion. These men forget their native land, their people, the laws and customs they once obeyed. They become almost as rootless as the Negroes of America. From the ranks of the white men one welcoming hand is extended to them, in the spirit in which Mephisto gave his to Faust over a good bargain (but these men have never heard of Faust). The Communist Party courts them, tells them the white man hates them and they must hate the white man and drive him one day into the sea. The driving-power of the Communist Party is supplied, as in other countries, by men from Eastern Europe, or the children of such. The newcomer thought himself lucky, perhaps, to put behind him the dullness of village life and come to the city. He was not aggrieved, but now white men tell him how badly treated he is. ”
    ….snip…

    “The long arms of those two great forces which appear to me to join in wreaking the havoc of our time reach even into this little fastness. The money-power and the revolutionary-power both spread their grasp over it. In every little town stands the office of the Mines Recruiting Corporation, and through its doors passes the constant stream of Basuto going to Johannesburg to dig gold for entombment in Kentucky. In the reverse direction, across the mountains from Johannesburg, come the Communist organizers. Natives who have received ‘education’ in this sense and operate the little printing-presses in Maseru or work among the tribesmen. No land is too small or remote for the Communist Party if it offers the prospect of setting white man against dark one, tribesman against chief, or Boer against Briton, in pursuit of the larger design. ”

  288. Malla says:
    @Aardvark

    British pilloried the United States 200 years in to the future by teaching India,

    LOL, It is revenge by those snotty British on the ungrateful Colonists for the Revolution, using their sepoys. But the British themselves are having problems with the sepoys, truth be told.

    Could it have been dramatically different if the colonial occupiers had never taught their languages around the world?

    The Dutch were wise enough to do that in Indonesia, not make Dutch the official language of that colony.

  289. KenH says:
    @Art Deco

    But the illegitimacy rate is still significantly higher among blacks than whites and that will always be the case. I haven’t looked at the stats in a while but I think the white illegitimacy rate is now around what the black rate was in the 1960’s.

  290. @Alden

    Coincidentally, I just watched the 1984 movie Night of the Comet on Tubi a couple of weeks ago and the situation after the disaster was exactly as you described. One of the main characters tries to convince the other of the situation by pointing out the total lack of people on the street (“It’s Saturday…where are all the kids out of school?”).

  291. @Alden

    Holy shit, somebody get this guy a job at the RAND corp

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