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A reader asks:

Hey Steve, a quick question, what explains Trump’s relative strength in Beverly Hills? [See the graph above of change from 2016 to 2020: red means a swing toward Trump.] In most similar well off white areas he lost be a lot 2016 and more than that in 2020. In Beverley Hills he improved in 2020 , winner a few precincts and getting more than 40% in all of them. Looking at the NYTimes precinct map he seems to improved almost all upscale areas in the west side of LA in contrast to other metros where he did worse. Is this just gold chains? Hollywood finding the great awokening stifling? More Orthadox Jews than I’m aware of? Or something else?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/upshot/2020-election-map.html

Good question and good suggestions.

Trump wound up winning three Census tracts in Beverly Hills in this graph of 2020 results:

The Westside of Los Angeles and the southern parts of the San Fernando Valley on the other side of the Hollywood Hills are increasingly filling up with ex-Soviets, Israelis, Persians, Armenians, and so forth, few of whom are Woke.

And there are more than a few guys in the entertainment industry who see Wokeness as basically a conspiracy among the less talented to take their jobs.

There was a big increase in gun ownership in LA in 2020. And there was severe looting in upscale liberal neighborhoods like West Hollywood and Santa Monica.

Other notes: The South Bay coastline, e.g., Manhattan Beach and Palos Verdes, which swung left from 2016 to 2020, was traditionally more Republican than the North Bay (e.g., Santa Monica) — fewer Hollywood people, more aerospace and frequent fliers. For example, NHL hockey players tend to live in Manhattan Beach, a fitness-oriented community with easy access to LAX.

The traditionally more culturally conservative upper middle class suburbs, such a Manhattan Beach and La Canada-Flintridge, swung toward Biden, much as similar suburbs did in the rest of the country.

The richer, less respectable, more raffish places like Beverly Hills swung toward Trump.

So did Mexican neighborhoods.

Chinese neighborhoods like Arcadia swung toward Biden.

 
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  1. Looking further at the map the one part of metro LA that swung against Trump is the area along the coast south from LAX to where the shoreline jogs east, what’s that area called and who lives there

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @t

    The South Bay coastline, e.g., Manhattan Beach and Palos Verdes, was traditionally more Republican than the North Bay (e.g., Santa Monica) -- fewer Hollywood people, more aerospace and frequent fliers (e.g., NHL hockey players tend to live in Manhattan Beach, a fitness-oriented community with easy access to LAX).

    So, the traditionally more conservative upper middle class suburbs, such as La Canada-Flintridge and Manhattan Beach, swung toward Biden, much as similar suburbs did in the rest of the country. The richer, less respectable, more raffish places like swung toward Trump, along with the Mexican neighborhoods. Chinese neighborhoods like Arcadia swung toward Biden.

    Replies: @Whereismyhandle, @Naeporue

    , @Steve Sailer
    @t

    The South Bay coastline, e.g., Manhattan Beach and Palos Verdes, was traditionally more Republican than the North Bay (e.g., Santa Monica) -- fewer Hollywood people, more aerospace and frequent fliers (e.g., NHL hockey players tend to live in Manhattan Beach, a fitness-oriented community with easy access to LAX).

    So, the traditionally more conservative upper middle class suburbs, such as La Canada-Flintridge and Manhattan Beach, swung toward Biden, much as similar suburbs did in the rest of the country. The richer, less respectable, more raffish places like swung toward Trump, along with the Mexican neighborhoods. Chinese neighborhoods like Arcadia swung toward Biden.

  2. Persian Jews.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Beat me to it.

  3. Lady Gaga’s dog walker getting shot and the dogs stolen in Hollywood was pretty big news this past week. It doesn’t take much to connect the dots. Granted, Trump didn’t really do anything to stop the riots amd crime, but he condemned them at least.

  4. Communist versus Anti-communist. Communists are winning.

  5. @t
    Looking further at the map the one part of metro LA that swung against Trump is the area along the coast south from LAX to where the shoreline jogs east, what's that area called and who lives there

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    The South Bay coastline, e.g., Manhattan Beach and Palos Verdes, was traditionally more Republican than the North Bay (e.g., Santa Monica) — fewer Hollywood people, more aerospace and frequent fliers (e.g., NHL hockey players tend to live in Manhattan Beach, a fitness-oriented community with easy access to LAX).

    So, the traditionally more conservative upper middle class suburbs, such as La Canada-Flintridge and Manhattan Beach, swung toward Biden, much as similar suburbs did in the rest of the country. The richer, less respectable, more raffish places like swung toward Trump, along with the Mexican neighborhoods. Chinese neighborhoods like Arcadia swung toward Biden.

    • Replies: @Whereismyhandle
    @Steve Sailer

    Orange County was also "traditionally" Republican.

    That country club Republicanism is over. You might think it's just a Trump thing but you're wrong. That's never coming back.

    Boomer businessmen "conservatives" didn't pay attention to the culture their kids were raised in and Republicans are simply finished in polite society.

    I know a lot of millennial women who went to elite schools with rich boomer republican parents. I don't know any millennial women who went to elite schools who are themselves Republican.


    The only conservatives younger than boomers are either from seriously religious backgrounds or they're the proletariat that are loyal to Trump.

    The suburbs aren't coming back. Notice that country clubs themselves are also dead and of no relevance to younger people. Not a coincidence. Boomer republicanism was a thing and it no longer is. I don't think you realize how clear this is--you still seem to have the mentality that I heard from 90s Republican boomers, "Haha, just wait until you get a job and pay taxes, you'll become a Republican then!". It's not happening in this culture.

    At some point, Steve, you're going to have to address why the supposed party of competent white men just let the country slip away. Why is that, if they're people who "get things done" or whatever? Why did they let their kids grow up in and into a liberal dystopia? If your answer is anything other than, "boomers are selfish children who just wanted houses on golf courses and fishing boats", I'd love to hear it.

    Replies: @Alden, @Servant of Gla'aki

    , @Naeporue
    @Steve Sailer

    Wouldn't you say Del Mar and Rancho Santa Fe are the most respectable places in SoCal?

  6. @t
    Looking further at the map the one part of metro LA that swung against Trump is the area along the coast south from LAX to where the shoreline jogs east, what's that area called and who lives there

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    The South Bay coastline, e.g., Manhattan Beach and Palos Verdes, was traditionally more Republican than the North Bay (e.g., Santa Monica) — fewer Hollywood people, more aerospace and frequent fliers (e.g., NHL hockey players tend to live in Manhattan Beach, a fitness-oriented community with easy access to LAX).

    So, the traditionally more conservative upper middle class suburbs, such as La Canada-Flintridge and Manhattan Beach, swung toward Biden, much as similar suburbs did in the rest of the country. The richer, less respectable, more raffish places like swung toward Trump, along with the Mexican neighborhoods. Chinese neighborhoods like Arcadia swung toward Biden.

  7. Is this just gold chains? Hollywood finding the great awokening stifling? More Orthadox Jews than I’m aware of? Or something else?

    Perhaps all those stars who said they’d move to Canada should Trump win… actually did?

    Note that Trudeau pulled off in 2019 what Trump did in 2016: winning the election while losing the popular vote.

    Then again, didn’t BH’s local bank do better than almost any other in the 2008 meltdown? Is there a connection?

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    @Reg Cæsar


    Note that Trudeau pulled off in 2019 what Trump did in 2016: winning the election while losing the popular vote.
     
    This is mainly because the woke vote in Canada is split between the Liberals (roughly speaking Democrats), N.D.P. (traditionally like Britains Labour) and the Greens. The right wing vote all went to the Conservatives (aka Tories). The Bloc Quebecois are Quebec nationalists who tend left although not reliably. Overall Canada is more left wing than the states.
    , @Polistra
    @Reg Cæsar


    Perhaps all those stars who said they’d move to Canada should Trump win… actually did?
     
    Still unclear on why none of them ever threatened to move to Mexico.
    Why, it's right next door! So convenient.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  8. And there was severe looting in upscale liberal neighborhoods like West Hollywood and Santa Monica

    But I’m sure it was mostly peaceful looting.

  9. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    Wikipedia says that 26 percent of the population of Beverley Hills is Persian!?!

    I found this magazine article about the Persians of Beverley Hills:

    https://www.wmagazine.com/story/persian-beverly-hills-2

    In 2003 Delshad took a leave from the technology company he started in 1978 to run for the Beverly Hills City Council. Ironically, he recalls, some of the toughest votes to get were Persian: Iranian Jews had no experience voting under the Shah and were wary of joining any bureaucratic roster, even the Beverly Hills voting rolls.

  10. @JohnnyWalker123
    Persian Jews.

    Replies: @Thomas

    Beat me to it.

  11. Did they loot rich people’s houses? That would be great. Taking rich people’s money away from them is my favorite thing. Because they didn’t “earn” it and they are usually inferior in every way except for ancestors.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @obwandiyag

    No, they just looted the stores along Wilshire and a few blocks on either side. Too lazy to go a few blocks more to the residential blocks.

  12. Lot says:

    This article says BH is 70% Jewish.

    https://forward.com/news/440806/beverly-hills-california-cannabis-rabbi-jewish/

    Related, here’s the ancestry of LA metro immigrant Jews from a giant 1997 survey. 79% of LA Jews were born in the USA. The remainder are:

    Russia/former USSR 25k
    Iran 17k
    Israel 14k
    Canada 7k
    Germany 6k
    Poland 4k
    Czechoslovakia 3k
    Other mideast 3k
    UK 3k
    Romania 2k
    South Africa 2k

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    Since 1997 there has been a big growth in L.A. of people who are both Russian and Israeli. Ariel Sharon invited in a whole bunch of Soviet Jews, many of whom were only half or quarter Jewish. They tended to find Israel better than the ex-Soviet Union, but many eventually bounced on to America, especially the greater Hollywood region. So there are now a bunch of people in L.A. who are varying degrees of Jewish, Russian, and/or Israeli. It's confusing to try to generalize about them, other than that few are Woke.

  13. Orthodox Jews.

    There are many Jew-ish areas in LA but Orthodox Jews have to live near each other because they have to *walk* on the Sabbath. And Beverly Hills, specifically, is where they are.

    Sure, Brentwood and Malibu have tons of Jews, but it’s more Hollywood liberal types. The walking Jews who vote Republican are in Beverly Hills.

    • Replies: @clifford brown
    @Whereismyhandle

    The most Jewish Orthodox areas of LA are the Pico-Robertson, which like Beverly Hills went for Trump, and the Beverly- La Brea neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Altai

    , @Alden
    @Whereismyhandle

    The ultra orthodox live in Los Angeles , on the east LA side of Robertson Blvd, not the west Beverly Hills side of Robertson Blvd.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  14. @Steve Sailer
    @t

    The South Bay coastline, e.g., Manhattan Beach and Palos Verdes, was traditionally more Republican than the North Bay (e.g., Santa Monica) -- fewer Hollywood people, more aerospace and frequent fliers (e.g., NHL hockey players tend to live in Manhattan Beach, a fitness-oriented community with easy access to LAX).

    So, the traditionally more conservative upper middle class suburbs, such as La Canada-Flintridge and Manhattan Beach, swung toward Biden, much as similar suburbs did in the rest of the country. The richer, less respectable, more raffish places like swung toward Trump, along with the Mexican neighborhoods. Chinese neighborhoods like Arcadia swung toward Biden.

    Replies: @Whereismyhandle, @Naeporue

    Orange County was also “traditionally” Republican.

    That country club Republicanism is over. You might think it’s just a Trump thing but you’re wrong. That’s never coming back.

    Boomer businessmen “conservatives” didn’t pay attention to the culture their kids were raised in and Republicans are simply finished in polite society.

    I know a lot of millennial women who went to elite schools with rich boomer republican parents. I don’t know any millennial women who went to elite schools who are themselves Republican.

    The only conservatives younger than boomers are either from seriously religious backgrounds or they’re the proletariat that are loyal to Trump.

    The suburbs aren’t coming back. Notice that country clubs themselves are also dead and of no relevance to younger people. Not a coincidence. Boomer republicanism was a thing and it no longer is. I don’t think you realize how clear this is–you still seem to have the mentality that I heard from 90s Republican boomers, “Haha, just wait until you get a job and pay taxes, you’ll become a Republican then!”. It’s not happening in this culture.

    At some point, Steve, you’re going to have to address why the supposed party of competent white men just let the country slip away. Why is that, if they’re people who “get things done” or whatever? Why did they let their kids grow up in and into a liberal dystopia? If your answer is anything other than, “boomers are selfish children who just wanted houses on golf courses and fishing boats”, I’d love to hear it.

    • Agree: WhiteWinger
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Whereismyhandle

    Agree that the boomers let their kids just slip away. I believe what happened is the country club businessmen believe in education. So they sent their kids to public schools in expensive suburbs and college. They didn’t know that the entire public and private school systems and colleges were just liberal cultural Marxist anti White indoctrination centers.

    Church. In every Christian denomination it’s charity charity charity take care of everyone in the world but yourself and your family.

    Plus the fact that so many jobs went overseas or given to non Whites. A STEM degree from a top university is no guarantee a White man will get a job anymore. Medical school is only about 20 or less percent White men any more.

    So what’s left for well educated Whites anymore? The non profit do Gooder social justice sector.

    , @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Whereismyhandle


    ...you’re going to have to address why the supposed party of competent white men just let the country slip away. Why is that, if they’re people who “get things done” or whatever? Why did they let their kids grow up in and into a liberal dystopia? If your answer is anything other than, “boomers are selfish children who just wanted houses on golf courses and fishing boats”, I’d love to hear it.
     
    The bulk of the people are always stupid. Boomers don't win any special awards in that category. America has had terrible political leadership in the post-1945 era, but when exactly did the Boomers take over? 1993? Their parents were worse than they were, objectively speaking. But nobody wants to create a narrative about how the Greatest Generation was riddled with pinkos, so we blame our demise on their lame kids.

    And as always, the Generation Xer sits, and watches...and waits....
  15. @Lot
    This article says BH is 70% Jewish.

    https://forward.com/news/440806/beverly-hills-california-cannabis-rabbi-jewish/

    Related, here’s the ancestry of LA metro immigrant Jews from a giant 1997 survey. 79% of LA Jews were born in the USA. The remainder are:

    Russia/former USSR 25k
    Iran 17k
    Israel 14k
    Canada 7k
    Germany 6k
    Poland 4k
    Czechoslovakia 3k
    Other mideast 3k
    UK 3k
    Romania 2k
    South Africa 2k

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Since 1997 there has been a big growth in L.A. of people who are both Russian and Israeli. Ariel Sharon invited in a whole bunch of Soviet Jews, many of whom were only half or quarter Jewish. They tended to find Israel better than the ex-Soviet Union, but many eventually bounced on to America, especially the greater Hollywood region. So there are now a bunch of people in L.A. who are varying degrees of Jewish, Russian, and/or Israeli. It’s confusing to try to generalize about them, other than that few are Woke.

    • Agree: Dissident
  16. Two David Cole (aka, David Stein) articles in takimag.com first alerted me to what was happening in Beverly Hills. Interesting background reading.

  17. @Whereismyhandle
    Orthodox Jews.

    There are many Jew-ish areas in LA but Orthodox Jews have to live near each other because they have to *walk* on the Sabbath. And Beverly Hills, specifically, is where they are.

    Sure, Brentwood and Malibu have tons of Jews, but it's more Hollywood liberal types. The walking Jews who vote Republican are in Beverly Hills.

    Replies: @clifford brown, @Alden

    The most Jewish Orthodox areas of LA are the Pico-Robertson, which like Beverly Hills went for Trump, and the Beverly- La Brea neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @clifford brown

    This might be it. Trump being seen as less lockdown friendly along with having Kushner around and previous pandering to Orthodox may have been it.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  18. It may be just a dead cat bounce. Trump did so badly in so many places in California in 2016 that there was no way to go but up.

  19. It’s not just Persian jews, it’s Persians generally who had money and fled the Iranian cultural revolution of 1980-1983 with their wealth and came to Beverly Hills. Their progeny also vote Republican.

  20. @Reg Cæsar

    Is this just gold chains? Hollywood finding the great awokening stifling? More Orthadox Jews than I’m aware of? Or something else?
     
    Perhaps all those stars who said they'd move to Canada should Trump win... actually did?

    Note that Trudeau pulled off in 2019 what Trump did in 2016: winning the election while losing the popular vote.


    Then again, didn't BH's local bank do better than almost any other in the 2008 meltdown? Is there a connection?

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @Polistra

    Note that Trudeau pulled off in 2019 what Trump did in 2016: winning the election while losing the popular vote.

    This is mainly because the woke vote in Canada is split between the Liberals (roughly speaking Democrats), N.D.P. (traditionally like Britains Labour) and the Greens. The right wing vote all went to the Conservatives (aka Tories). The Bloc Quebecois are Quebec nationalists who tend left although not reliably. Overall Canada is more left wing than the states.

  21. @obwandiyag
    Did they loot rich people's houses? That would be great. Taking rich people's money away from them is my favorite thing. Because they didn't "earn" it and they are usually inferior in every way except for ancestors.

    Replies: @Alden

    No, they just looted the stores along Wilshire and a few blocks on either side. Too lazy to go a few blocks more to the residential blocks.

  22. @Reg Cæsar

    Is this just gold chains? Hollywood finding the great awokening stifling? More Orthadox Jews than I’m aware of? Or something else?
     
    Perhaps all those stars who said they'd move to Canada should Trump win... actually did?

    Note that Trudeau pulled off in 2019 what Trump did in 2016: winning the election while losing the popular vote.


    Then again, didn't BH's local bank do better than almost any other in the 2008 meltdown? Is there a connection?

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @Polistra

    Perhaps all those stars who said they’d move to Canada should Trump win… actually did?

    Still unclear on why none of them ever threatened to move to Mexico.
    Why, it’s right next door! So convenient.

    • Agree: WhiteWinger
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Polistra


    Still unclear on why none of them ever threatened to move to Mexico.
    Why, it’s right next door! So convenient.
     
    Did you know that Baja California wasn't granted statehood until 1952? And Baja California Sur in 1974? Over a century after Alta California.

    BCS and Quintana Roo are the Alaskas and Hawaii of Mexico. The latter is also the Washington (state) of Mexico, named for a founding father.
  23. @Whereismyhandle
    @Steve Sailer

    Orange County was also "traditionally" Republican.

    That country club Republicanism is over. You might think it's just a Trump thing but you're wrong. That's never coming back.

    Boomer businessmen "conservatives" didn't pay attention to the culture their kids were raised in and Republicans are simply finished in polite society.

    I know a lot of millennial women who went to elite schools with rich boomer republican parents. I don't know any millennial women who went to elite schools who are themselves Republican.


    The only conservatives younger than boomers are either from seriously religious backgrounds or they're the proletariat that are loyal to Trump.

    The suburbs aren't coming back. Notice that country clubs themselves are also dead and of no relevance to younger people. Not a coincidence. Boomer republicanism was a thing and it no longer is. I don't think you realize how clear this is--you still seem to have the mentality that I heard from 90s Republican boomers, "Haha, just wait until you get a job and pay taxes, you'll become a Republican then!". It's not happening in this culture.

    At some point, Steve, you're going to have to address why the supposed party of competent white men just let the country slip away. Why is that, if they're people who "get things done" or whatever? Why did they let their kids grow up in and into a liberal dystopia? If your answer is anything other than, "boomers are selfish children who just wanted houses on golf courses and fishing boats", I'd love to hear it.

    Replies: @Alden, @Servant of Gla'aki

    Agree that the boomers let their kids just slip away. I believe what happened is the country club businessmen believe in education. So they sent their kids to public schools in expensive suburbs and college. They didn’t know that the entire public and private school systems and colleges were just liberal cultural Marxist anti White indoctrination centers.

    Church. In every Christian denomination it’s charity charity charity take care of everyone in the world but yourself and your family.

    Plus the fact that so many jobs went overseas or given to non Whites. A STEM degree from a top university is no guarantee a White man will get a job anymore. Medical school is only about 20 or less percent White men any more.

    So what’s left for well educated Whites anymore? The non profit do Gooder social justice sector.

  24. @Whereismyhandle
    Orthodox Jews.

    There are many Jew-ish areas in LA but Orthodox Jews have to live near each other because they have to *walk* on the Sabbath. And Beverly Hills, specifically, is where they are.

    Sure, Brentwood and Malibu have tons of Jews, but it's more Hollywood liberal types. The walking Jews who vote Republican are in Beverly Hills.

    Replies: @clifford brown, @Alden

    The ultra orthodox live in Los Angeles , on the east LA side of Robertson Blvd, not the west Beverly Hills side of Robertson Blvd.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    Lots of ultra-orthodox Jews in West Hollywood. Also on Magnolia Blvd. in Valley Village.

    Fairfax Blvd. in West Hollywood was looted badly in late May's Mostly Peaceful Protests. Some Jewish publications called it a pogrom, but many Jews shut up about it and took it for the team.

  25. @Whereismyhandle
    @Steve Sailer

    Orange County was also "traditionally" Republican.

    That country club Republicanism is over. You might think it's just a Trump thing but you're wrong. That's never coming back.

    Boomer businessmen "conservatives" didn't pay attention to the culture their kids were raised in and Republicans are simply finished in polite society.

    I know a lot of millennial women who went to elite schools with rich boomer republican parents. I don't know any millennial women who went to elite schools who are themselves Republican.


    The only conservatives younger than boomers are either from seriously religious backgrounds or they're the proletariat that are loyal to Trump.

    The suburbs aren't coming back. Notice that country clubs themselves are also dead and of no relevance to younger people. Not a coincidence. Boomer republicanism was a thing and it no longer is. I don't think you realize how clear this is--you still seem to have the mentality that I heard from 90s Republican boomers, "Haha, just wait until you get a job and pay taxes, you'll become a Republican then!". It's not happening in this culture.

    At some point, Steve, you're going to have to address why the supposed party of competent white men just let the country slip away. Why is that, if they're people who "get things done" or whatever? Why did they let their kids grow up in and into a liberal dystopia? If your answer is anything other than, "boomers are selfish children who just wanted houses on golf courses and fishing boats", I'd love to hear it.

    Replies: @Alden, @Servant of Gla'aki

    …you’re going to have to address why the supposed party of competent white men just let the country slip away. Why is that, if they’re people who “get things done” or whatever? Why did they let their kids grow up in and into a liberal dystopia? If your answer is anything other than, “boomers are selfish children who just wanted houses on golf courses and fishing boats”, I’d love to hear it.

    The bulk of the people are always stupid. Boomers don’t win any special awards in that category. America has had terrible political leadership in the post-1945 era, but when exactly did the Boomers take over? 1993? Their parents were worse than they were, objectively speaking. But nobody wants to create a narrative about how the Greatest Generation was riddled with pinkos, so we blame our demise on their lame kids.

    And as always, the Generation Xer sits, and watches…and waits….

  26. I wonder how much of it is due to the opening of CoolKicks and attracting a very different clientele to nearby Melrose avenue. Both legitimate and those who go through the extra entrepreneurial hassle of breaking in.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Altai

    Any Idea why ; "They can't believe this happened"?

  27. @clifford brown
    @Whereismyhandle

    The most Jewish Orthodox areas of LA are the Pico-Robertson, which like Beverly Hills went for Trump, and the Beverly- La Brea neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Altai

    This might be it. Trump being seen as less lockdown friendly along with having Kushner around and previous pandering to Orthodox may have been it.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Altai

    This might be it. Trump being seen as less lockdown friendly along with having Kushner around and previous pandering to Orthodox may have been it.

    The Orthodox and especially Ultra-Orthodox love affair with Trump predates any pandemic policies. In my old neighborhood , Boro Park in Brooklyn, Trump crushed Hillary by almost 40 points.

    Replies: @sideshow_bob

  28. Is the pink section of Beverly Hills the republican part?

    That’s north of Wilshire to the city of Beverly Hills part of Bel Air north of Sunset It’s the wealthiest section of Beverly Hills by the way. Persians and the other White immigrants often live with an entire extended family and tenants so they can live in a safe White neighborhood. So they can afford more expensive homes than American one or two working adult families. Plus their ummm clever ways of making money

    It’s amazing how they just swarmed into Beverly Hills and Westwood or Little Tehran, Persian Square whatever it’s called. Maybe they like it because it’s near the federal building. So they can have their anti Iran marches. Persian New Year or Easter zaroosh comes in March. It’s nice. White Christmas tree lights. It’s really a Zoroastrian fiesta but everybody even Muslims celebrates.

    Legally, technically, when they left Persia the government confiscated all their assets. They go back and forth all the time. It’s nice to be around people who think like me.

    Best hair dresser on the west side is a Persian. 1600 block of Westwood Blvd.

    Despite the tribalism, the under 50 generation is very assimilated. The older generation can be very middle eastern, demanding discounts, buying clothes at Saks fifth Av with a credit card, wearing it once and returning it the next day with ring around the collar, buying fake Gucci shoes Prada purses etc down at the garment center and taking them to Saks demanding a several thousand dollar refund. Little things like that endear the old Persians to us West siders But the under 50s are very Americanized.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    "Best hair dresser on the west side is a Persian. 1600 block of Westwood Blvd."

    The Iranian ladies at Fantastic Sams are better and more painstaking than the few American ones. I think it's the 2500 year old Persian tradition of luxury service.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous

    , @Marty
    @Alden

    For a laugh, try this next time you’re with a Persian: “seeYA - modagenday”

  29. Hasn’t David Cole written extensively about this at Taki’s ?

  30. @Alden
    @Whereismyhandle

    The ultra orthodox live in Los Angeles , on the east LA side of Robertson Blvd, not the west Beverly Hills side of Robertson Blvd.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Lots of ultra-orthodox Jews in West Hollywood. Also on Magnolia Blvd. in Valley Village.

    Fairfax Blvd. in West Hollywood was looted badly in late May’s Mostly Peaceful Protests. Some Jewish publications called it a pogrom, but many Jews shut up about it and took it for the team.

  31. @Alden
    Is the pink section of Beverly Hills the republican part?

    That’s north of Wilshire to the city of Beverly Hills part of Bel Air north of Sunset It’s the wealthiest section of Beverly Hills by the way. Persians and the other White immigrants often live with an entire extended family and tenants so they can live in a safe White neighborhood. So they can afford more expensive homes than American one or two working adult families. Plus their ummm clever ways of making money

    It’s amazing how they just swarmed into Beverly Hills and Westwood or Little Tehran, Persian Square whatever it’s called. Maybe they like it because it’s near the federal building. So they can have their anti Iran marches. Persian New Year or Easter zaroosh comes in March. It’s nice. White Christmas tree lights. It’s really a Zoroastrian fiesta but everybody even Muslims celebrates.

    Legally, technically, when they left Persia the government confiscated all their assets. They go back and forth all the time. It’s nice to be around people who think like me.

    Best hair dresser on the west side is a Persian. 1600 block of Westwood Blvd.

    Despite the tribalism, the under 50 generation is very assimilated. The older generation can be very middle eastern, demanding discounts, buying clothes at Saks fifth Av with a credit card, wearing it once and returning it the next day with ring around the collar, buying fake Gucci shoes Prada purses etc down at the garment center and taking them to Saks demanding a several thousand dollar refund. Little things like that endear the old Persians to us West siders But the under 50s are very Americanized.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Marty

    “Best hair dresser on the west side is a Persian. 1600 block of Westwood Blvd.”

    The Iranian ladies at Fantastic Sams are better and more painstaking than the few American ones. I think it’s the 2500 year old Persian tradition of luxury service.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    Chipotle really went downhill when they stopped hiring Mexicans.

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    So Steve, given LA’s Demographic shifts, have you and your family ever contemplated moving to a different area in California or in the US? Or are you nested in for the long-haul?

  32. Oh I do like raffish. I don’t think I’ve seen it in years.

    How about Lounge Lizards? When did I last see that? Do they still exist?

  33. So Trump lost the Falling Down vote who just wanted to keep their war machine jobs?

  34. @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    "Best hair dresser on the west side is a Persian. 1600 block of Westwood Blvd."

    The Iranian ladies at Fantastic Sams are better and more painstaking than the few American ones. I think it's the 2500 year old Persian tradition of luxury service.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous

    Chipotle really went downhill when they stopped hiring Mexicans.

  35. Bel Air Pres was very Trumpian last time I was there but many Fuller types have gone woke in the meantime. There’s a strain of wokism that appeals to the Positive Thinking types that ignore all the downsides, including one imagines Trump himself when those downsides don’t directly affect him or Ivanka.

  36. anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Beverly Hills isn’t a place. Beverly Hills is a state of mind.
    From a German immigrant vlogger, before things got crappier:

  37. The rich and poor veered toward the Con Man. His screw job on middle income Californians with a miserly $10,000 limit on state and local taxes effectively raised the federal taxes on many. Yet, he gave a huge tax rate decrease for the rich and free money via the child tax credit increase to the poor.

  38. @Altai
    @clifford brown

    This might be it. Trump being seen as less lockdown friendly along with having Kushner around and previous pandering to Orthodox may have been it.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    This might be it. Trump being seen as less lockdown friendly along with having Kushner around and previous pandering to Orthodox may have been it.

    The Orthodox and especially Ultra-Orthodox love affair with Trump predates any pandemic policies. In my old neighborhood , Boro Park in Brooklyn, Trump crushed Hillary by almost 40 points.

    • Replies: @sideshow_bob
    @kaganovitch

    Orthodox Jews are repulsed by globohomo but don't talk about it openly with outsiders.

  39. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    "Best hair dresser on the west side is a Persian. 1600 block of Westwood Blvd."

    The Iranian ladies at Fantastic Sams are better and more painstaking than the few American ones. I think it's the 2500 year old Persian tradition of luxury service.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous

    So Steve, given LA’s Demographic shifts, have you and your family ever contemplated moving to a different area in California or in the US? Or are you nested in for the long-haul?

  40. @Alden
    Is the pink section of Beverly Hills the republican part?

    That’s north of Wilshire to the city of Beverly Hills part of Bel Air north of Sunset It’s the wealthiest section of Beverly Hills by the way. Persians and the other White immigrants often live with an entire extended family and tenants so they can live in a safe White neighborhood. So they can afford more expensive homes than American one or two working adult families. Plus their ummm clever ways of making money

    It’s amazing how they just swarmed into Beverly Hills and Westwood or Little Tehran, Persian Square whatever it’s called. Maybe they like it because it’s near the federal building. So they can have their anti Iran marches. Persian New Year or Easter zaroosh comes in March. It’s nice. White Christmas tree lights. It’s really a Zoroastrian fiesta but everybody even Muslims celebrates.

    Legally, technically, when they left Persia the government confiscated all their assets. They go back and forth all the time. It’s nice to be around people who think like me.

    Best hair dresser on the west side is a Persian. 1600 block of Westwood Blvd.

    Despite the tribalism, the under 50 generation is very assimilated. The older generation can be very middle eastern, demanding discounts, buying clothes at Saks fifth Av with a credit card, wearing it once and returning it the next day with ring around the collar, buying fake Gucci shoes Prada purses etc down at the garment center and taking them to Saks demanding a several thousand dollar refund. Little things like that endear the old Persians to us West siders But the under 50s are very Americanized.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Marty

    For a laugh, try this next time you’re with a Persian: “seeYA – modagenday”

  41. @Altai
    I wonder how much of it is due to the opening of CoolKicks and attracting a very different clientele to nearby Melrose avenue. Both legitimate and those who go through the extra entrepreneurial hassle of breaking in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VykG_6xjOyQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yu0IjZh6lo

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Any Idea why ; “They can’t believe this happened”?

  42. @Steve Sailer
    @t

    The South Bay coastline, e.g., Manhattan Beach and Palos Verdes, was traditionally more Republican than the North Bay (e.g., Santa Monica) -- fewer Hollywood people, more aerospace and frequent fliers (e.g., NHL hockey players tend to live in Manhattan Beach, a fitness-oriented community with easy access to LAX).

    So, the traditionally more conservative upper middle class suburbs, such as La Canada-Flintridge and Manhattan Beach, swung toward Biden, much as similar suburbs did in the rest of the country. The richer, less respectable, more raffish places like swung toward Trump, along with the Mexican neighborhoods. Chinese neighborhoods like Arcadia swung toward Biden.

    Replies: @Whereismyhandle, @Naeporue

    Wouldn’t you say Del Mar and Rancho Santa Fe are the most respectable places in SoCal?

  43. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    “Chinese neighborhoods like Arcadia swung toward Biden.”

    I respond:

    Sigh:

    Long since time to stop giving Chinese in America a free pass as a “model minority”. They are not. They vote like 1960s New Left New York and Chicago Je*s and Chinese migrants are lying like Hell to take way too many of our college/university spots. Their Chinese homeland is behaving more and more like Imperial Japan in the 1930s, plus they spread this civilization destroying COVID.

    All that’s left for them to be as bad as the Je*s is for them to buy up some Hollywood movie studios and release some ChiCom centric hate White people movies on Christmas like Harvey Weinstein used to do every Christmas.

    I definitely don’t believe that “Worse is better” or “Bad means good” (that’s a lowest class Black ghetto way of thinking/living), but there are some silver linings.

    I’m seeing some very principled, very brave Vietnamese Americans stand up to Antifa, BLM mobs and the country of Vietnam seems very welcoming to Americans like me now and instead sees their current enemy as their historic enemy the Chinese.

    Good.

    Very good to have Vietnamese guerrilla fighters on our side and also Vietnamese and Korean merchants at least on their own side, as opposed to Chinese in America taking the side of Black thugs and blaming us White people for creating a “Climate of hatred and intolerance”.

    Anybody else notice that the anti White Lib Leftists always do this, accuse us of having supernatural powers to control the climate that supposedly makes otherwise sainting Lib people like Blacks or Lee Harvey Oswald do the bad things that they do?

    J
    Left behind in Chicago

  44. @kaganovitch
    @Altai

    This might be it. Trump being seen as less lockdown friendly along with having Kushner around and previous pandering to Orthodox may have been it.

    The Orthodox and especially Ultra-Orthodox love affair with Trump predates any pandemic policies. In my old neighborhood , Boro Park in Brooklyn, Trump crushed Hillary by almost 40 points.

    Replies: @sideshow_bob

    Orthodox Jews are repulsed by globohomo but don’t talk about it openly with outsiders.

  45. @Polistra
    @Reg Cæsar


    Perhaps all those stars who said they’d move to Canada should Trump win… actually did?
     
    Still unclear on why none of them ever threatened to move to Mexico.
    Why, it's right next door! So convenient.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Still unclear on why none of them ever threatened to move to Mexico.
    Why, it’s right next door! So convenient.

    Did you know that Baja California wasn’t granted statehood until 1952? And Baja California Sur in 1974? Over a century after Alta California.

    BCS and Quintana Roo are the Alaskas and Hawaii of Mexico. The latter is also the Washington (state) of Mexico, named for a founding father.

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