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To be precise, today’s “holistic admissions” tended to be invented about a century ago to keep Ivy League colleges from being inundated by Eastern European Jews. On the other hand, the development of national standardized testing like the SAT and ACT tended to come a number of years later and be part of the push to mobilize talent that helped lead to the end of the quotas on Jews.

It’s striking that Jews created many of their own country clubs and hospitals, but only a couple of their own colleges (Brandeis and Yeshiva). Why did Jews put so much effort into getting into Harvard and Yale rather than founding more of their own colleges?

A 1925 article in “American Hebrew” magazine attributed to Italian-American golf champ Gene Sarrazin, who was the pro at a Jewish country club, said that already a higher percentage of Jews than gentiles belonged to private golf clubs.

So, judging from all the hospitals and country clubs they started, mid-Century American Jews had plenty of energy, talent, and money for institution building, but little of that went into starting Jewish colleges, probably because the quotas on Jews weren’t all that onerous.

In other words, the Ivy League continued to skim the cream off of Jewish-American society, so there wasn’t that much concern among potential rich donors that poor Eastern Jews were having to go to CCNY.

If smart but poor Eastern European Jews were having to go to CCNY, while the sons of rich German Jews were getting into the Ivy League, well … the potential donors to build Jewish colleges weren’t as motivated as they were about building Jewish country clubs for themselves.

One concern of Ivy League presidents a century ago was that the Ivy League would turn into Yogi Berra’s ex-favorite restaurant that got so popular that nobody goes there anymore: that so many Jews would get in that nobody (including rich German Jews) would want to get in anymore.

Another concern of the Ivy League must have been that Jews would start their own competing colleges the way they built so many country clubs and hospitals.

About a half dozen years after liberal Jews finally got Brandeis U. off the ground in the suburbs of Boston in 1948 (the Depression and WWII no doubt slowing things) with the intention of making it the “Jewish Harvard,” the real Harvard lifted its quota on Jewish undergrads. Yale, further away, took another decade.

In hindsight, it would seem as if the Ivy League’s quotas on limiting the number of Jews were extremely successful in that they threaded the needle between keeping out so many Jews that they they would start their own competing colleges and letting in too many to stay fashionable.

Similarly, it would appear that today’s heavily Jewish Ivy League leadership is doing a competent job of letting in enough Asians to keep Tiger parents obsessed with the Ivy League, but not letting in so many that Asians would start to find the Ivies less glamorous.

 
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  1. Will we ever hear the end if this plaint from the 1920s? Seems that every decade of so it’s brought to the fore again.

    A more pressing question for aspirational Jews today should be whether Ivy admissions are gamed today to favor Jews at the expense of Asians and white goy. For details, see Ron Unz.

    • Agree: Not Raul, Renard
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Daniel H

    Liar. It's not from the 1920s. Yale continued to discriminate against Jews until the 1960s, well within living memory.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/04/nyregion/yale-s-limit-on-jewish-enrollment-lasted-until-early-1960-s-book-says.html

    I realize the '60s are a while ago too but the fact that you lie about this in order to minimize it shows your bad faith.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Colonel Odd Bull

    , @Art Deco
    @Daniel H

    For details, see Ron Unz.

    Mr. Unz has his critics. He's most displeased if you suggest they got the better of him in that exchange.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Daniel H


    Seems that every decade of so it’s brought to the fore again.
     
    Why did the duffer pack a spare pair of sox?

    In case he got a hole in one.
    , @George
    @Daniel H

    "Will we ever hear the end if this plaint from the 1920s? Seems that every decade of so it’s brought to the fore again."

    Everything I know about the subject is from internet searches and cursory perusal of the results, but ...

    Sailor implies in his post that maybe undergraduate Ivy League institutions were not that that exclusive in the 19 teens and 20s. This was the Charleston generation of drunken American rich kids, and the thought of decent Jewish kids getting smashed, donning a raccoon skin coat and whoring around New England in a Hispano-Suizo until the inevitable crash was unappealing. At the same time that the Ivy undergrad was burnishing their party school reputation, elsewhere in the US there were many academic institutions, often near where the individual Jew lived, to chose from. Also worth noting is that, particularly brilliant Jews of German heritage might have gone to the early 1900s world's best universities back in Germany.

    Ok, even if Harvard did discriminate against Jews, I wonder what the stance on Jews was at the real American academic institutions, U of Chicago, Case Western, any of the California Universities.

    Case in point is Super Genius, Donald Arthur Glaser (September 21, 1926 – February 28, 2013) was an American physicist, neurobiologist, and the winner of the 1960 Nobel Prize in Physics for his invention of the bubble chamber used in subatomic particle physics.

    Born in Cleveland, Ohio, Glaser completed his Bachelor of Science degree in physics and mathematics from Case School of Applied Science[2]: 10  in 1946. He completed his Ph.D. in physics from the California Institute of Technology in 1949.[4]

    Glasser's CIT attendance would be expected today, but note the (pre rust belt Cleveland) Case School background. So it is possible the Jewish geniuses were, back then, from the Midwest just like generic white geniuses were at the time. Going through a list of American Physics Nobel Prize winners, I don't see Ivy league, other than Yale, as well represented among the earlier prize winners.

    Another possibility is the discrimination was not against Jews, it was against Eastern Europeans and other new comer upstarts. Case in point US Supreme court justice Benjamin N. Cardozo, "At age 15, Cardozo entered Columbia University[6] where he was elected to Phi Beta Kappa.[7] He was admitted to Columbia Law School in 1889.

    But Cardozo was not Ashkenazi Eastern European immigrant Jewish. His background is very similar to what would later be called WASPs. He traces his heritage to the US colonial period (like WASPs are said to), "[Cardozo's] ancestors had immigrated to the British colonies from London, England before the American Revolution."

    In short there is no antisemitism, just founders discriminating against new comers. Cardozo was of founding stock and was treated like others of founding stock.

    Slightly off topic but brilliant Black American chemist Percy Lavon Julian " worried that white students would resent being taught by an African American, Harvard withdrew Julian's teaching assistantship, making it impossible for him to complete his Ph.D. there.

    In 1929, while an instructor at Howard University, Julian received a Rockefeller Foundation fellowship to continue his graduate work at the University of Vienna, where he earned his Ph.D. in 1931." So there is evidence of American geniuses going to Europe for superior educations, partially due to discrimination in the US.

  2. Oppenheimer:

    The first thing to understand is that everything we know about selective college admissions today is less than a century old.

    Also Oppenheimer:

    They appealed to a fairly self-selecting group [e.a.] of mostly Protestant, mostly well-to-do, mostly male Americans.

    Oh, so the colleges were actually selective from the start. Dartmouth was initially selective towards serving aboriginals, as beautifully documented by the Hovey Murals:

    Dartmouth’s ‘Hovey Murals’ At Center Of Reckoning With College’s ‘Indian Charity School’ Past

    https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2018-09-03/dartmouths-hovey-murals-at-center-of-reckoning-with-colleges-indian-charity-school-past

    Free the Art, All of It

    https://journeys.dartmouth.edu/vannett_span7_wi17/research-paper/

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Speaking of art, an LOL report from the international ‘art’ world: one man’s blackpill is another’s schadenfreude whitepill. Apparently this year’s “postcolonial global art” was too vibrant and tacky for very serious Germany, and German Jews, to handle:


    The World’s Most Prestigious Art Exhibition Is Over. Maybe Forever.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/arts/design/documenta-15.html
     

    KASSEL, Germany — It began with a calumny, it ends with a crack-up.

    Twice a decade, for exactly 100 days, the world of culture turns its eyes to this midsize German city for Documenta, a giant exhibition whose intellectual ambitions and hefty budgets have ensured its reputation as the world’s most prestigious show of contemporary art. This year’s edition got off to a dreadful start in June, when its most prominent artwork, an agitprop mural incorporating unmistakable antisemitic caricatures, had to be withdrawn amid national outcry. The 15th Documenta now comes to a close on Sunday — not before another controversy that has seen artists, scholars and politicians trade accusations of antisemitism and racism, harassment and incompetence.
     

    I doubt Documenta will command the respect and the pre-eminence it did before this year, though, and it’ll never recover its aim of imagining the whole world in one show. The dream of a global art world has died, and I fear a lot of people, reactionary and radical alike, prefer it that way. The incomprehension and anger this show has elicited are the proof they always wanted that we have no common future.
     
    Yow. I guess Europe going into a “multicultural mode” can have serious drawbacks for local “multicultural mode” promoters. Tough scene!

    More on Documenta 15 specific controversies:

    Furor Over Documenta Highlights a Widening Chasm in Germany

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/arts/design/documenta-antisemitism.html
     
    To censor art, or not to censor art: What is the least Nazi course of action?...

    German Cultural Leaders Warn Against Ban on Israel Sanctions Movement

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/arts/germany-bds-open-letter.html
     

    Replies: @Pixo, @Arclight, @clifford brown

  3. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Oppenheimer:

    The first thing to understand is that everything we know about selective college admissions today is less than a century old.
     
    Also Oppenheimer:

    They appealed to a fairly self-selecting group [e.a.] of mostly Protestant, mostly well-to-do, mostly male Americans.
     
    Oh, so the colleges were actually selective from the start. Dartmouth was initially selective towards serving aboriginals, as beautifully documented by the Hovey Murals:

    Dartmouth's 'Hovey Murals' At Center Of Reckoning With College's 'Indian Charity School' Past

    https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2018-09-03/dartmouths-hovey-murals-at-center-of-reckoning-with-colleges-indian-charity-school-past
     

    Free the Art, All of It

    https://journeys.dartmouth.edu/vannett_span7_wi17/research-paper/
     

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Speaking of art, an LOL report from the international ‘art’ world: one man’s blackpill is another’s schadenfreude whitepill. Apparently this year’s “postcolonial global art” was too vibrant and tacky for very serious Germany, and German Jews, to handle:

    The World’s Most Prestigious Art Exhibition Is Over. Maybe Forever.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/arts/design/documenta-15.html

    KASSEL, Germany — It began with a calumny, it ends with a crack-up.

    Twice a decade, for exactly 100 days, the world of culture turns its eyes to this midsize German city for Documenta, a giant exhibition whose intellectual ambitions and hefty budgets have ensured its reputation as the world’s most prestigious show of contemporary art. This year’s edition got off to a dreadful start in June, when its most prominent artwork, an agitprop mural incorporating unmistakable antisemitic caricatures, had to be withdrawn amid national outcry. The 15th Documenta now comes to a close on Sunday — not before another controversy that has seen artists, scholars and politicians trade accusations of antisemitism and racism, harassment and incompetence.

    I doubt Documenta will command the respect and the pre-eminence it did before this year, though, and it’ll never recover its aim of imagining the whole world in one show. The dream of a global art world has died, and I fear a lot of people, reactionary and radical alike, prefer it that way. The incomprehension and anger this show has elicited are the proof they always wanted that we have no common future.

    Yow. I guess Europe going into a “multicultural mode” can have serious drawbacks for local “multicultural mode” promoters. Tough scene!

    More on Documenta 15 specific controversies:

    Furor Over Documenta Highlights a Widening Chasm in Germany

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/arts/design/documenta-antisemitism.html

    To censor art, or not to censor art: What is the least Nazi course of action?…

    German Cultural Leaders Warn Against Ban on Israel Sanctions Movement

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/arts/germany-bds-open-letter.html

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Haha welcome to the new “diverse” caliphate of Eurabia, such a lovely and vibrant art scene!

    https://static.dw.com/image/62194259_507.jpg

    Also:

    https://zeepertje.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/muslim-pray-bukbidders-france.jpeg

    Au soleil, sous la pluie
    À midi ou à minuit
    Il y a tout ce que vous voulez
    Aux Champs-Élysées.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Paul Jolliffe, @Cauchemar du Singe

    , @Arclight
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thanks for posting - I am tangentially attached to what goes on through my spouse and her job, and having been around various exhibitions for 20 years it's inescapable that the majority of contemporary art is just not good, but we are supposed to celebrate who produced it regardless. That a critic at the NYT of all places is willing to call this out is encouraging.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @clifford brown
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/W5AX2BQI3QI63AFWIPZL7TDGMI.jpg


    What makes this mural antisemitic? The pig soldier clearly is wearing an American flag so if anything that depiction is anti-American. The alleged orthodox Jew in a hat with an SS insignia does not look particularly Jewish. His suit is brown not black. His shirt is bright yellow, not white and he is wearing a tie which is not usually worn by the traditional orthodox Jews. That hat looks more like a bowler hat than the sort worn by the orthodox. Some commentators see sidelocks, but that seems like a stretch.

    I will agree it is an ugly painting, but that seems to be the point.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  4. There were no quotas on jews in the Ivy League or elsewhere. You’re just repeating jewish propaganda again. The “worst” that happened is that the admissions officers received a brief regarding the flood of nerdy types who had never seen athletic activity and weren’t projecting the sort of image they sought. Not to mention a complete lack of leadership qualities, or civilized manners, both of which they did seek.

    • Agree: Inverness
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  5. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Speaking of art, an LOL report from the international ‘art’ world: one man’s blackpill is another’s schadenfreude whitepill. Apparently this year’s “postcolonial global art” was too vibrant and tacky for very serious Germany, and German Jews, to handle:


    The World’s Most Prestigious Art Exhibition Is Over. Maybe Forever.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/arts/design/documenta-15.html
     

    KASSEL, Germany — It began with a calumny, it ends with a crack-up.

    Twice a decade, for exactly 100 days, the world of culture turns its eyes to this midsize German city for Documenta, a giant exhibition whose intellectual ambitions and hefty budgets have ensured its reputation as the world’s most prestigious show of contemporary art. This year’s edition got off to a dreadful start in June, when its most prominent artwork, an agitprop mural incorporating unmistakable antisemitic caricatures, had to be withdrawn amid national outcry. The 15th Documenta now comes to a close on Sunday — not before another controversy that has seen artists, scholars and politicians trade accusations of antisemitism and racism, harassment and incompetence.
     

    I doubt Documenta will command the respect and the pre-eminence it did before this year, though, and it’ll never recover its aim of imagining the whole world in one show. The dream of a global art world has died, and I fear a lot of people, reactionary and radical alike, prefer it that way. The incomprehension and anger this show has elicited are the proof they always wanted that we have no common future.
     
    Yow. I guess Europe going into a “multicultural mode” can have serious drawbacks for local “multicultural mode” promoters. Tough scene!

    More on Documenta 15 specific controversies:

    Furor Over Documenta Highlights a Widening Chasm in Germany

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/arts/design/documenta-antisemitism.html
     
    To censor art, or not to censor art: What is the least Nazi course of action?...

    German Cultural Leaders Warn Against Ban on Israel Sanctions Movement

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/arts/germany-bds-open-letter.html
     

    Replies: @Pixo, @Arclight, @clifford brown

    Haha welcome to the new “diverse” caliphate of Eurabia, such a lovely and vibrant art scene!

    Also:

    Au soleil, sous la pluie
    À midi ou à minuit
    Il y a tout ce que vous voulez
    Aux Champs-Élysées.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Pixo

    Why does the Jewish caricature have the "SS" Schutzstaffel lightning bolt insignia on its bowler hat?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Cauchemar du Singe

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @Pixo

    Well.

    Friday prayers by thousands of Muslims

    in the middle of a world famous landmark.

    A far cry from the Paris of Bridget Bardot and smiling gendarmes:

    https://www.alamy.com/oct-10-1957-german-bb-makes-a-hit-in-paris-eighteen-year-old-marion-image69348319.html

    Another Dad’s refrain is spot on: just leave us ours, and we will not remake yours.

    Replies: @epebble

    , @Cauchemar du Singe
    @Pixo

    Good target for strafing or a tactical nuke.

  6. Any further evidence required to conclude that these people are the world longest running grievance machine?

    I’m surprised they haven’t demanded reparations from Egypt yet.

    • LOL: Rob McX
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Mike Tre


    I’m surprised they haven’t demanded reparations from Egypt yet.
     
    As the resident theologian here, I have to point out that they already got reparations from Egypt, and did so by Divine command.

    Exodus 12:33-36

    And the Egyptians pressed the people to go forth out of the land speedily, saying: We shall all die. The people therefore took dough before it was leavened; and tying it in their cloaks, put it on their shoulders.

    And the children of Israel did as Moses had commanded: and they asked of the Egyptians vessels of silver and gold, and very much raiment. And the Lord gave favour to the people in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them: and they stripped the Egyptians.
     
    Now, before a whole lot of blasphemous ink is spilled in response to this comment, it must be remembered that the Old Testament Hebrews are not the same people as today's Rabbinical Jews, neither ethnically nor theologically, and that this incident, like every other incident recorded of this people, was meant to illustrate God's will and providence within history.

    The "Spoiling of Egypt" has prompted casuists to mull for centuries whether God sometimes permits people to steal, and cynics to suggest that the Hebrews were just putting a divine fig leaf over their own tawdry activities. The truth of the matter is that nothing was stolen. In justice, the Egyptians owed the Hebrews for all the uncompensated forced labor they had wrung out of them during the years of their bondage, so God permitted them to take possession of Egyptian goods by a mediated change of ownership.

    The point here is to demonstrate that God, as the creator of all matter and all beings, is the ultimate owner and the disposer of all property, and He may transfer ownership from one man to another in an act of restorative justice without violating His goodness. We human beings only own things fee simple, whereas it is God alone Who holds alloidial title to the universe.

    Replies: @Dmon, @Muggles, @Anon

  7. I’m beginning to have a Hebexhaustion …

  8. Are there any all-Jewish coops in New York that aren’t Hasidic or orthodox? We hear about coops discriminating against Jews but I’ve never heard of Jewish coops discriminating in favor of Jews. I could be wrong. And if Jews don’t want to live exclusively with other Jews, why would they want to go to a Jewish college? Brandeis is about 60% Jewish and is mostly recent generation.

    • Replies: @bjdubbs
    @bjdubbs

    I'm going to reply to my own comment: There are Jewish universities, they're just 1/3 Jewish. That seems to be the percentage that Jews prefer, and beyond which Jews will stay away. Look at this list. Jews like being around Jews but don't want to be surrounded by Jews.

    Brandeis University: 1750 Jewish Students, 50%
    Muhlenberg College: 750 Jewish Students, 35%
    University of Hartford: 1,500 Jewish Students, 33%
    Barnard College: 770 Jewish Students, 33%
    Sarah Lawrence College: 400 Jewish Students, 33%
    Tulane University: 2250 Jewish Students, 32%
    Columbia University: 3,000 Jewish Students, 30%
    Emory University: 2,100 Jewish Students, 30%
    Goucher College: 450 Jewish Students, 30%
    George Washington University: 3,000 Jewish Students, 29%
    Oberlin College: 850 Jewish Students, 29%
    New York University: 6,000 Jewish Students, 28%

    , @ATBOTL
    @bjdubbs

    There are a few. Some bimbo jewish NYC cop posed for Playboy magazine in the 90's.

  9. …the way they built so many country clubs and hospitals.

    Every major religious group built hospitals. Somebody had to. In Rockford, there is a Swedish Hospital. It was a Lutheran institution.

    Catholics built universities, as did Methodists. Lutherans preferred small colleges, most of which started as seminaries for then-tiny ethnic synods, which later merged. Jews were the odd group out.

    Yale, further away…

    Yale, farther away… 190 miles, to be exact.

    Sorry for the pedantry, but consider the topic…

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Reg Cæsar



    Yale, further away…
     
    Yale, farther away… 190 miles, to be exact.

    Sorry for the pedantry, but consider the topic…

     

    https://i.imgur.com/LfEdGFZ.jpg


    https://youtu.be/8S-USLEW078

    Replies: @Thomm

    , @Paleo Liberal
    @Reg Cæsar

    My son used to live a few blocks from that hospital. The proximity once came in handy.

    Swedish American Hospital is now part of U Wisconsin health. So no longer Lutheran.

    You are right about the religions. The Calvinists and the Quakers started a lot of what are now very prestigious schools. I remember a Quaker friend of mine telling me that his Quaker college was founded when one group of Quaker’s split from another and didn’t want their kids to go to school with the other kind of Quakers.

    As for the Jews in NYC, they had pretty much taken over CCNY and NYU, so other than Yeshiva there wasn’t much demand. Although they did start a med school, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, which is part of Yeshiva.

    OTOH there are tons of Jewish elementary and secondary schools in the NY area. The graduates seem more likely to wind up at U Wisconsin than at Yeshiva or Brandeis these days.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @prosa123

    , @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    '...Catholics built universities, as did Methodists. Lutherans preferred small colleges, most of which started as seminaries for then-tiny ethnic synods, which later merged. Jews were the odd group out...

    Yes -- but if Catholics et al built their own universities while Jews did not, the implication is that this was voluntary. Jews -- presumably -- could have started their own schools. Why didn't they?

    It occurs to me that antisemitism -- both external and internalized -- may provide the answer. There's nothing in particular wrong with being Lutheran or Methodist. Even Catholics have usually resented bigotry aimed at them rather than attempting to evade it.

    But did Jews want to advertise their Jewishness? Did they want the equivalent of Southern Methodist or CalLu or Notre Dame? Hence the storming of the Ivy League schools. It was to escape being Jewish.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  10. > On the other hand, the development of national standardized testing like the SAT and ACT tended to come a number of years later and be part of the push to mobilize talent that helped lead to the end of the quotas on Jews.

    If this is true, the central argument of Twitter Bluecheck and Atlantic luminary Yair Rosenberg is undermined. He’s lying by omission.

    I hope that doesn’t undermine the Atlantic‘s other visionary positions, e.g. on women’s sports and on the need for eternal war with Russia.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @ic1000


    I hope that doesn’t undermine the Atlantic‘s other visionary positions, e.g. on women’s sports and on the need for eternal war with Russia.
     
    Yesterday my wife was repeating the latest Bluecheck talking point about Putin kidnapping people off the street to send to Eastern Ukraine and stuff its plebiscite vote in favor of breaking away and joining Russia. Any temptation to point out this is exactly what Pelosi, Schumer et al are trying to do to Texas, Florida, to turn them blue etc was overridden by my need at the moment for a sandwich.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Polistra

  11. What are the names of Jewish city clubs, like the Standard Club, Union League Club? I am not familiar.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Hodag

    The recently closed Standard Club in Chicago was Jewish.

    , @Giant Duck
    @Hodag

    The Harmonie Club in New York is the one example I'm aware of:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonie_Club

    , @Cauchemar du Singe
    @Hodag

    In Philthadelphia, the big jew club is The Century Club...not at all The Union League, WASP through and through.

    Replies: @Jack D

  12. @Reg Cæsar

    ...the way they built so many country clubs and hospitals.
     
    Every major religious group built hospitals. Somebody had to. In Rockford, there is a Swedish Hospital. It was a Lutheran institution.

    Catholics built universities, as did Methodists. Lutherans preferred small colleges, most of which started as seminaries for then-tiny ethnic synods, which later merged. Jews were the odd group out.


    Yale, further away...
     
    Yale, farther away... 190 miles, to be exact.

    Sorry for the pedantry, but consider the topic...

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Paleo Liberal, @Colin Wright

    Yale, further away…

    Yale, farther away… 190 miles, to be exact.

    Sorry for the pedantry, but consider the topic…

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @PiltdownMan

    Not just that, but imagine a black kid aged just 16 being the one to correct you :

    https://youtu.be/xSnraJOeOyM

  13. In fact, if we take an IQ of 145 as a cutoff for genius and assume that Jews were around 3.4% of the White US population in 1950, there were nearly 4 times more non-Jewish White geniuses in the US than Jewish geniuses. If we use 130 as a benchmark for at least vastly easing the path to upward mobility, there were over 6 times more non-Jewish Whites in this category than Jews. And there would have been a much greater disparity in England where Jews were less than 1% of the population.

    Europeans certainly do not need Jews to develop or maintain their civilization.The successful erection of the culture of critique is much more about ethnic networking and dominating key points in the cultural food chain — especially elite academic institutions and the media — than it is about IQ.

    For example, even correcting for IQ, Jews are massively overrepresented at Ivy League universities compared to Whites. In 1998, Jews represented around 25–33% of Harvard undergraduates compared to around 25% non-Jewish Whites. In 2000 the Jewish population was around 3% of the non-Hispanic White population. On the basis of IQ, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or 4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio was at most 1 to 1. But even this may underestimate the gap because it’s hard to believe that all Harvard students have at least an IQ of 130. Could it be that that Jared Kushner’s route to Harvard is not at all unusual for Jews these days?

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Tony Lawless
    @conatus

    "It’s striking that Jews created many of their own country clubs and hospitals, but only a couple of their own colleges (Brandeis and Yeshiva). Why did Jews put so much effort into getting into Harvard and Yale rather than founding more of their own colleges?"

    Genuine question: If the IQ of Jews is so high, why aren't the reputations of Brandeis and Yeshiva by now higher than the reputations of Harvard and Yale?

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Polistra
    @conatus

    Speaking of...


    https://i.ibb.co/rxc3tSH/Screenshot-20220924-211258-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Replies: @Rob McX

    , @JimDandy
    @conatus

    Thanks. There's a great article called "The Myth Of Meritocracy" by a guy named Unz.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @conatus

    Okay, so what is your plan?

    , @Dutch Boy
    @conatus

    Why build your own when you already dominate the ones built by your enemies?

  14. On the other hand, the development of national standardized testing like the SAT and ACT tended to come a number of years later and be part of the push to mobilize talent that helped lead to the end of the quotas on Jews.

    Mr. Sailer some years ago, on Kaplan SAT Test Prep, started by a Jewish guy to perhaps counteract that push, though, admittedly, his classes weren’t limited to Jewish kids:

    Did Senator Schumer Really Get a Perfect 1600 SAT Score?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/did-senator-schumer-really-get-perfect/

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @PiltdownMan

    The relevant thing about Schumer and his high SAT, is not any particular score, but simply giving yourself absolute clarity that

    the people who run America are not stupid, they are evil.

    Schumer is perfectly capable of understanding what's going on, the destruction it is generating and what it portends for the future. He simply has different interests and loyalties. Schumer is simply not loyal the historic American nation and finds it congenial to see it destroyed.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  15. @Pixo
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Haha welcome to the new “diverse” caliphate of Eurabia, such a lovely and vibrant art scene!

    https://static.dw.com/image/62194259_507.jpg

    Also:

    https://zeepertje.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/muslim-pray-bukbidders-france.jpeg

    Au soleil, sous la pluie
    À midi ou à minuit
    Il y a tout ce que vous voulez
    Aux Champs-Élysées.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Paul Jolliffe, @Cauchemar du Singe

    Why does the Jewish caricature have the “SS” Schutzstaffel lightning bolt insignia on its bowler hat?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @PiltdownMan

    Because it's not Jewish in any way.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @Cauchemar du Singe
    @PiltdownMan

    The Ukie AZOV scum have appropriated it, as well as the Swastika...in completely deranged, projectional fashion.

  16. Perhaps there would have been less clamoring among Jews for admission to the Ivies had those institutions hewed to their original purpose:

    Harvard’s “Rules and Precepts” (1646): “Every one shall consider the main end of his life and studies to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life.”

    Timothy Dwight, President of Yale (1814): “Christ is the only, the true, the living way of access to God.”

    Columbia University (1754): “The chief thing that is aimed at in this college is to teach and engage children to know God in Jesus Christ.”

    John Witherspoon, first president of Princeton: “Cursed by all learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.”

    William and Mary was established “that the Christian faith might be propagated.”

    Dartmouth was founded to train missionaries to the Indians.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Harry Baldwin

    From 2017:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/88-books-that-shaped-america/#comment-1831697 (#40)


    Harvard Seeks to Write ‘Puritans’ Out of Its Alma Mater

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/us/harvard-alma-mater-contest.html
     
    , @Thea
    @Harry Baldwin

    Jonathan Edwards was once Princeton’s president as well.

    Excellent point that these were explicitly religious schools. Why would a Jew want so badly to attend universities dedicated to the centrality of Christ in academic pursuits?



    They’ve cast off God and fallen into decadence.

  17. Oy, how are horny Portnoys going to bang sexy shiksa coeds at an ALL-Jewish university?

    There’s a great article called The Myth Of Meritocracy by a guy named Unz…

  18. @Pixo
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Haha welcome to the new “diverse” caliphate of Eurabia, such a lovely and vibrant art scene!

    https://static.dw.com/image/62194259_507.jpg

    Also:

    https://zeepertje.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/muslim-pray-bukbidders-france.jpeg

    Au soleil, sous la pluie
    À midi ou à minuit
    Il y a tout ce que vous voulez
    Aux Champs-Élysées.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Paul Jolliffe, @Cauchemar du Singe

    Well.

    Friday prayers by thousands of Muslims

    in the middle of a world famous landmark.

    A far cry from the Paris of Bridget Bardot and smiling gendarmes:

    https://www.alamy.com/oct-10-1957-german-bb-makes-a-hit-in-paris-eighteen-year-old-marion-image69348319.html

    Another Dad’s refrain is spot on: just leave us ours, and we will not remake yours.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Paul Jolliffe

    That picture is a consequence, not, in anticipation or apprehension of "we will remake yours". Would that crowd be in Paris if they were not speaking French? How many non-French speaking people move to France to live there? How many non-English speakers move to U.K.?

  19. They were not particularly desirable, in that they didn’t have five or 10 or 20 times as applicants as there were spots.

    Isn’t this just a function of colleges and Universities being a path in life for a much lower percentage of Americans? Now college is a middle class consumer good, but in the 1920s I don’t think it was as broadly based – you really had to be a “Prep” in academic terms with high scholastic aptitude to go (unless you were a dim bulb from a Boston Brahmin family or the like). It was almost all white men – and mostly old line Protestants at that.

    In any event, if you know you had no chance of getting into Harvard even with exemplary credentials, why would you apply at all? My guess is that the pool of applicants for much of its history was constrained to the kinds of people who might actually get accepted. Those people would be drawn disproportionately form the “feeder” Prep schools like Phillips Exeter and Phillips Andover, The Lawrenceville School, etc. (These places tend to still be feeders for the Ivies for a certain class of student and I have heard that they hire people out of the Ivies’ Admissions Offices and vice versa to keep that pipeline open).

  20. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Speaking of art, an LOL report from the international ‘art’ world: one man’s blackpill is another’s schadenfreude whitepill. Apparently this year’s “postcolonial global art” was too vibrant and tacky for very serious Germany, and German Jews, to handle:


    The World’s Most Prestigious Art Exhibition Is Over. Maybe Forever.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/arts/design/documenta-15.html
     

    KASSEL, Germany — It began with a calumny, it ends with a crack-up.

    Twice a decade, for exactly 100 days, the world of culture turns its eyes to this midsize German city for Documenta, a giant exhibition whose intellectual ambitions and hefty budgets have ensured its reputation as the world’s most prestigious show of contemporary art. This year’s edition got off to a dreadful start in June, when its most prominent artwork, an agitprop mural incorporating unmistakable antisemitic caricatures, had to be withdrawn amid national outcry. The 15th Documenta now comes to a close on Sunday — not before another controversy that has seen artists, scholars and politicians trade accusations of antisemitism and racism, harassment and incompetence.
     

    I doubt Documenta will command the respect and the pre-eminence it did before this year, though, and it’ll never recover its aim of imagining the whole world in one show. The dream of a global art world has died, and I fear a lot of people, reactionary and radical alike, prefer it that way. The incomprehension and anger this show has elicited are the proof they always wanted that we have no common future.
     
    Yow. I guess Europe going into a “multicultural mode” can have serious drawbacks for local “multicultural mode” promoters. Tough scene!

    More on Documenta 15 specific controversies:

    Furor Over Documenta Highlights a Widening Chasm in Germany

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/arts/design/documenta-antisemitism.html
     
    To censor art, or not to censor art: What is the least Nazi course of action?...

    German Cultural Leaders Warn Against Ban on Israel Sanctions Movement

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/arts/germany-bds-open-letter.html
     

    Replies: @Pixo, @Arclight, @clifford brown

    Thanks for posting – I am tangentially attached to what goes on through my spouse and her job, and having been around various exhibitions for 20 years it’s inescapable that the majority of contemporary art is just not good, but we are supposed to celebrate who produced it regardless. That a critic at the NYT of all places is willing to call this out is encouraging.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Arclight


    Thanks for posting
     
    You’re welcome.

    That a critic at the NYT of all places is willing to call this out is encouraging.
     
    The tone of the article was quite unusual for the 'front page'—it almost veered into exasperated blasphemy. Funniest article in the NYT in years, maybe for all time. :)

    Replies: @Arclight

  21. @Hodag
    What are the names of Jewish city clubs, like the Standard Club, Union League Club? I am not familiar.

    Replies: @Flip, @Giant Duck, @Cauchemar du Singe

    The recently closed Standard Club in Chicago was Jewish.

  22. Did Stanford ever have a Jewish exclusionary or quota attitude?

    I don’t think of Leland Stanford as a big church man.

  23. @Harry Baldwin
    Perhaps there would have been less clamoring among Jews for admission to the Ivies had those institutions hewed to their original purpose:

    Harvard’s “Rules and Precepts” (1646): “Every one shall consider the main end of his life and studies to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life.”

    Timothy Dwight, President of Yale (1814): “Christ is the only, the true, the living way of access to God.”

    Columbia University (1754): “The chief thing that is aimed at in this college is to teach and engage children to know God in Jesus Christ.”

    John Witherspoon, first president of Princeton: “Cursed by all learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.”

    William and Mary was established “that the Christian faith might be propagated.”

    Dartmouth was founded to train missionaries to the Indians.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Thea

  24. One of the weaknesses of this approach is that it puts too much weight on snobbery & elitism.

    I don’t have any stats, but from what I’ve read, ethnic Jews (or at least people with a partial Jewish ancestry) are over-represented in many universities & institutions that produced truly worthy works in various areas. Much of it is not in the Ivies, but also in Chicago, Wisconsin, Colorado, NYC, California, …. in areas as diverse as physics, mathematics, biomedical sciences, religion, philosophy, psychology, political theory, linguistics, historiography, literary theory,…

    I’d say that among the best works & books in the US, published on various topics in the past 30-40 years, perhaps 20-40% are authored by American Jews or American people of some Jewish ancestry. Asians- not even close. Maybe 70% are by other whites, both natives & European (and white Latino – Juan Maldacena) immigrants to the US (some influence has been malign, especially by French post-modernists).

    Of course, I don’t know about lawyers & think- tanks & journalists, but south and east Asians have not contributed commensurately even to the fields of their own history and culture.

    So…no, everything is not in the Ivy percentages.

    Btw:

    Spanglish:

    Runglish:

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Bardon Kaldian

    'I’d say that among the best works & books in the US, published on various topics in the past 30-40 years, perhaps 20-40% are authored by American Jews or American people of some Jewish ancestry. Asians- not even close. Maybe 70% are by other whites, both natives & European (and white Latino – Juan Maldacena) immigrants to the US (some influence has been malign, especially by French post-modernists).'

    To some extent, this is going to be an illusion generated by the tendency of Jews to tout the work of other Jews. I've run into this twice with book reviews, and learned to be wary. If a book written by a Jew is highly praised, it could be good -- or it could be written by a Jew.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  25. @Arclight
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thanks for posting - I am tangentially attached to what goes on through my spouse and her job, and having been around various exhibitions for 20 years it's inescapable that the majority of contemporary art is just not good, but we are supposed to celebrate who produced it regardless. That a critic at the NYT of all places is willing to call this out is encouraging.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thanks for posting

    You’re welcome.

    That a critic at the NYT of all places is willing to call this out is encouraging.

    The tone of the article was quite unusual for the ‘front page’—it almost veered into exasperated blasphemy. Funniest article in the NYT in years, maybe for all time. 🙂

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Once in a great while you get a surprise like this. Sometime in the last 10 years I recall their critic Jerry Saltz (who is politically insufferable) slamming the US Venice Biennale curators for their explicitly anti-American selections of artists to represent the country at an international exhibition.

    This was gratifying because of some personal associations I knew what was selected prior to it being unveiled and was appalled at the message and frankly the low quality as well.

  26. @Reg Cæsar

    ...the way they built so many country clubs and hospitals.
     
    Every major religious group built hospitals. Somebody had to. In Rockford, there is a Swedish Hospital. It was a Lutheran institution.

    Catholics built universities, as did Methodists. Lutherans preferred small colleges, most of which started as seminaries for then-tiny ethnic synods, which later merged. Jews were the odd group out.


    Yale, further away...
     
    Yale, farther away... 190 miles, to be exact.

    Sorry for the pedantry, but consider the topic...

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Paleo Liberal, @Colin Wright

    My son used to live a few blocks from that hospital. The proximity once came in handy.

    Swedish American Hospital is now part of U Wisconsin health. So no longer Lutheran.

    You are right about the religions. The Calvinists and the Quakers started a lot of what are now very prestigious schools. I remember a Quaker friend of mine telling me that his Quaker college was founded when one group of Quaker’s split from another and didn’t want their kids to go to school with the other kind of Quakers.

    As for the Jews in NYC, they had pretty much taken over CCNY and NYU, so other than Yeshiva there wasn’t much demand. Although they did start a med school, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, which is part of Yeshiva.

    OTOH there are tons of Jewish elementary and secondary schools in the NY area. The graduates seem more likely to wind up at U Wisconsin than at Yeshiva or Brandeis these days.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    @Paleo Liberal

    If you are not counting Orthodox Yeshivas, most Jewish high schools in the NYC area have really small enrollments and there are not that many of them. Instead, Jews are a very large percentage of the students at all of the private schools started by WASPs.

    , @prosa123
    @Paleo Liberal

    OTOH there are tons of Jewish elementary and secondary schools in the NY area. The graduates seem more likely to wind up at U Wisconsin than at Yeshiva or Brandeis these days.

    Graduates of the Hasidic yeshivas aren't going to end up at the university of anything. At many of them zero percent of the students can pass statewide proficiency tests in math and English.

  27. @ic1000
    > On the other hand, the development of national standardized testing like the SAT and ACT tended to come a number of years later and be part of the push to mobilize talent that helped lead to the end of the quotas on Jews.

    If this is true, the central argument of Twitter Bluecheck and Atlantic luminary Yair Rosenberg is undermined. He's lying by omission.

    I hope that doesn't undermine the Atlantic's other visionary positions, e.g. on women's sports and on the need for eternal war with Russia.

    Replies: @Abe

    I hope that doesn’t undermine the Atlantic‘s other visionary positions, e.g. on women’s sports and on the need for eternal war with Russia.

    Yesterday my wife was repeating the latest Bluecheck talking point about Putin kidnapping people off the street to send to Eastern Ukraine and stuff its plebiscite vote in favor of breaking away and joining Russia. Any temptation to point out this is exactly what Pelosi, Schumer et al are trying to do to Texas, Florida, to turn them blue etc was overridden by my need at the moment for a sandwich.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Abe

    The sandwich you got from your local establishment after she hit you with a frying pan for being a dick. Next time, be honest about reporting what exactly happened.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Polistra
    @Abe

    Imagine how much wreckage has resulted from modern man's inability to make his own sandwiches! 400 years!

  28. Columbia got busted for submitting fraudulent numbers to US News Rankings. They are dropped from 2nd to 18th (having risen from 18th in 1988).

    This was exposed by math professor Michael Thaddeus from that university,

    PERCENTAGE OF FACULTY WHO ARE FULL-TIME

    • Columbia claims to U.S. News that 96.5% of its non-medical faculty are full-time, yet data reported to the U.S. Department of Education indicate that the correct percentage is more like 74.1%.

    CONCLUSION
    • No one should try to reform or rehabilitate the U.S. News ranking: it is irredeemable.

    • Root-and-branch reform — not confined to rankings alone — is needed at Columbia.

    https://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/ranking/executivesummary.pdf

    Jews that they they would start their own competing colleges

    Corollary question is when will Asians start their own competing colleges? There is one example, Coursera, massive open online course (MOOC) provider founded by Andrew Ng.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Corollary question is when will Asians start their own competing colleges?
     
    Central Asians catching on to being cannon fodder in Ukraine.

    "I have a simple message to President Putin. Stop the war! I have met with you on many occasions. You have the power to stop this war right now. Now it's time to make peace. My heart is breaking apart when I see Russia. Since you started this war Russia has been drowned in fears, full of tears. Your mobilization brings oceans of suffering. Mr. President, stop your senseless killings and destruction!" Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj said.

    He noted that since the beginning of the bloody war against Ukraine, ethnic minorities in Russia have suffered the most, in particular, residents of Buryatia, Tuva, and Kalmykia, whom the Kremlin uses as cannon fodder. That is why Mongolia is ready to accept people fleeing Putin's mobilization.

    Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj separately addressed those being forced to fight Putin's war in Ukraine.

    "Don't shoot Ukrainians. Don't shoot your sisters and brothers, children and elders. Do not kill that country. Do not kill their freedom. Ukraine has a full right to exist," he said.

    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3578680-head-of-world-mongol-federation-calls-on-putin-to-stop-war-against-ukraine.html
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2qDzicmvxM
    , @Redneck farmer
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Thomas Sowell spent a lot of time and ink showing how inaccurate USN&WR college rankings are.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Jack D
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    US News was asking for this because they tried to do the rankings on the cheap, based on self-reporting. They are too small to have the resource to do original research so instead they would send each college admission office a questionnaire to fill out. There was no one at US News even spot checking the questionnaires while the colleges had a big incentive to lie. Columbia wouldn't have gotten caught except for its own math professor who sniffed around and snitched on his own college.

    The other reason that Columbia got caught is that when you license lying like that, there are some people/institutions who take it too far. It's like cheating on taxes - a lot of people cheat a little bit on their taxes but if you claim that you have 47 dependents then the IRS might decide to sniff around.

    Columbia got greedy - yes it was always an Ivy but it was one of the lower Ivies. Then they started coming up and up every year like some Ponzi scheme ready to burst. They made it all the way to #2! Columbia is an OK school but #2 in America? Ahead of MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, etc. - NFW! Something smelled rotten.

    OTOH, demoting them to #18 is clearly just punishment. With all due respect to Steve, Rice is not better than Columbia (to the extent that you can rank order colleges at all, which is a separate question). Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Wash U are fine schools but again putting Columbia behind them is out of order.

    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get:


    School Average SAT Score
    California Institute of Technology 1555
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1545
    University of Chicago 1535
    Harvey Mudd College 1530
    Yale University 1520
    Harvard University 1520
    Washington University in St Louis 1520
    Duke University 1520
    Vanderbilt University 1520
    Johns Hopkins University 1515
    Columbia University in the City of New York 1515
    University of Pennsylvania 1515
    Rice University 1515
    Princeton University 1510
    Carnegie Mellon 1510

    Mudd is an outlier. The variation in ranking of the rest (US News rank vs SAT rank) can be explained either by certain schools being "undervalued" in regard to better known schools with equal or better SAT scores (e.g. #15 Rice vs. #7 Penn) or else the Asian overflow factor (lots of 1600 SAT Asians can no longer get into MIT so they go to Carnegie Mellon and raise its SAT average or else the woke factor - Princeton is #1 in US News rankings and can "afford" to take a lot of low SAT blacks without hurting their rank.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Matt Buckalew, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @JimB, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonymous

  29. If I’m not mistaken, entrance examinations were common in the early 20th century to screen applicants. Harvard’s included knowledge of Latin until 1916 and knowledge of Greek until 1897. They were selective.

    Ca, 1928, most youths between the ages of 14 and 18 were not enrolled in high school. Tertiary schooling encompassed a variety of practices and institutions: vocational training, junior colleges, normal schools, teachers colleges, hospital nursing schools, stand-alone professional schools &c. Colleges and universities hoovered up about 6% of each cohort. ‘Not selective’ meant something rather different in that era than it does today.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Art Deco


    They were selective.
     
    Yep. The reason Harvard et al seem so selective now — 5% acceptance rates — isn't because their standards are high so much as it is because their standards are vague. Pretty much everyone with some angle (champion Tuba player, strange psychological diagnosis, hairraising escape from Honduran gangs) has a chance. So worth a try. If instead, Harvard adopted a mechanical process based on a simple formula (eg SAT + 100×GPA above 1850 you're in, otherwise not) then the only people who'd bother applying are the ones who'd get it (plus maybe a few who can't do simple math).
    , @Anon
    @Art Deco

    Look through old Harvard Entrance Exams from the 1900s. They’re online. They were intense, with a heavy emphasis on algebra and geometry. Most current Harvard students could not pass them today.

    Replies: @HammerJack

  30. didn’t they start a few? Yeshiva and Brandeis? and the guys rejected from the Ivy League went west, to set up their own version of the film industry.

    anyway, the answer is, some things are more difficult to create than others. only the men of western europe ‘easily’ create huge institutional things out of thin air. the other humans barely can, or can’t do it at all. and if the pale penis persons have already created that big institutional thing that you want to participate in, it’s usually 300% easier to try to participate in it, than create your own.

    this brings up the question of who exactly was running negro league baseball, because we know HBCUs were mostly not created by africans, but their benefactors. later on, jewish guys were instrumental in trying to turn hoops, a simple game invented for school children to play, into a professional sport.

  31. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Arclight


    Thanks for posting
     
    You’re welcome.

    That a critic at the NYT of all places is willing to call this out is encouraging.
     
    The tone of the article was quite unusual for the 'front page'—it almost veered into exasperated blasphemy. Funniest article in the NYT in years, maybe for all time. :)

    Replies: @Arclight

    Once in a great while you get a surprise like this. Sometime in the last 10 years I recall their critic Jerry Saltz (who is politically insufferable) slamming the US Venice Biennale curators for their explicitly anti-American selections of artists to represent the country at an international exhibition.

    This was gratifying because of some personal associations I knew what was selected prior to it being unveiled and was appalled at the message and frankly the low quality as well.

  32. @Paleo Liberal
    @Reg Cæsar

    My son used to live a few blocks from that hospital. The proximity once came in handy.

    Swedish American Hospital is now part of U Wisconsin health. So no longer Lutheran.

    You are right about the religions. The Calvinists and the Quakers started a lot of what are now very prestigious schools. I remember a Quaker friend of mine telling me that his Quaker college was founded when one group of Quaker’s split from another and didn’t want their kids to go to school with the other kind of Quakers.

    As for the Jews in NYC, they had pretty much taken over CCNY and NYU, so other than Yeshiva there wasn’t much demand. Although they did start a med school, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, which is part of Yeshiva.

    OTOH there are tons of Jewish elementary and secondary schools in the NY area. The graduates seem more likely to wind up at U Wisconsin than at Yeshiva or Brandeis these days.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @prosa123

    If you are not counting Orthodox Yeshivas, most Jewish high schools in the NYC area have really small enrollments and there are not that many of them. Instead, Jews are a very large percentage of the students at all of the private schools started by WASPs.

  33. Ugh. I’m getting some real fatigue, like shit-lib fainting couch er mer gerd no ways tired fatigue.

    Been reading your stuff for almost 2 decades. I now believe your immense talents are so very wasted talking about pets and pet owners.

    It’s over for whites like me. It’s over for whites like you. I like reading about those good ol days where we had a decade or two of success.

    Could you skip the jew blank jew-y blackety black jewish !Black! shit? I’d take more stories about your Dad working with evil defense contractors. Or even you using your talents to write more about anything positive about whites. Fuck Russia, Fuck China, Fuck Ukraine, fuck ‘em all.

    Disaster porn is getting old. Be shame to have you yelling at clouds about the same shit today as back in 2004.

    I’d like some morphine for the misery like in Saving Private Ryan…I’m gut shot, the blood is dark, livers punctured…over…just a little salve to soothe as I slip off into nothingness?

    No?

    Thought I’d ask.

  34. A gun for morons in the People’s Republic of New Jersey?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Joe Stalin

    "This smart gun technology means a police officer can't get shot with their own weapon..."

    I can see how that would be a problem these days.

    https://i.pinimg.com/564x/59/f5/81/59f581b6d013c1807dcda3958a554208.jpg

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @BosTex
    @Joe Stalin

    Or People’s Republic of Massachusetts. What a terrible weapon.

    If you are going to keep a gun for self defense, always keep something that works, 100% of the time.

    I keep a ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp
    In the glove compartment. With an additional speed loader.

    That thing is guaranteed to work today or if I need it 20 years from today. (Always treat your guns nicely.)

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

  35. For all their country clubs, they didn’t produce too many top notch professional golfers. Maybe because back in the day, all the Jewish mothers wanted their sons to be doctas or lawyas…

    • Replies: @Larry, San Francisco
    @usNthem

    Yep. A friend of mine's older brother was a 2 handicapper at the age of 16. Definitely could have gotten on the tour. Instead his pathway was to follow his dad into medicine. He is now a leading oncology researcher so that choice did work out for him.

    Replies: @ex-banker

    , @Anonymous
    @usNthem


    For all their country clubs, they didn’t produce too many top notch professional golfers. Maybe because back in the day, all the Jewish mothers wanted their sons to be doctas or lawyas…
     
    Right. That’s why there are no jewish cornerbacks and NBA players. Just a matter of what they devote their time to.
  36. @Art Deco
    If I'm not mistaken, entrance examinations were common in the early 20th century to screen applicants. Harvard's included knowledge of Latin until 1916 and knowledge of Greek until 1897. They were selective.

    Ca, 1928, most youths between the ages of 14 and 18 were not enrolled in high school. Tertiary schooling encompassed a variety of practices and institutions: vocational training, junior colleges, normal schools, teachers colleges, hospital nursing schools, stand-alone professional schools &c. Colleges and universities hoovered up about 6% of each cohort. 'Not selective' meant something rather different in that era than it does today.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Anon

    They were selective.

    Yep. The reason Harvard et al seem so selective now — 5% acceptance rates — isn’t because their standards are high so much as it is because their standards are vague. Pretty much everyone with some angle (champion Tuba player, strange psychological diagnosis, hairraising escape from Honduran gangs) has a chance. So worth a try. If instead, Harvard adopted a mechanical process based on a simple formula (eg SAT + 100×GPA above 1850 you’re in, otherwise not) then the only people who’d bother applying are the ones who’d get it (plus maybe a few who can’t do simple math).

  37. @Reg Cæsar

    ...the way they built so many country clubs and hospitals.
     
    Every major religious group built hospitals. Somebody had to. In Rockford, there is a Swedish Hospital. It was a Lutheran institution.

    Catholics built universities, as did Methodists. Lutherans preferred small colleges, most of which started as seminaries for then-tiny ethnic synods, which later merged. Jews were the odd group out.


    Yale, further away...
     
    Yale, farther away... 190 miles, to be exact.

    Sorry for the pedantry, but consider the topic...

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Paleo Liberal, @Colin Wright

    ‘…Catholics built universities, as did Methodists. Lutherans preferred small colleges, most of which started as seminaries for then-tiny ethnic synods, which later merged. Jews were the odd group out…

    Yes — but if Catholics et al built their own universities while Jews did not, the implication is that this was voluntary. Jews — presumably — could have started their own schools. Why didn’t they?

    It occurs to me that antisemitism — both external and internalized — may provide the answer. There’s nothing in particular wrong with being Lutheran or Methodist. Even Catholics have usually resented bigotry aimed at them rather than attempting to evade it.

    But did Jews want to advertise their Jewishness? Did they want the equivalent of Southern Methodist or CalLu or Notre Dame? Hence the storming of the Ivy League schools. It was to escape being Jewish.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Colin Wright

    "Jews — presumably — could have started their own schools. Why didn’t they? It occurs to me that antisemitism — both external and internalized — may provide the answer."

    Nah, it was just straight out of the chosenite playbook. Why spend the money and effort to build your own universities, when you can simply form a human battering ram and take over the goy's? Which is precisely what they've done.

    The quota advocates of the 1920s gave reasons for their exclusionary policies which were based not in "anti-semitism" (which mostly does not actually exist), but in a realistic analysis of observed destructive Jewish behavior: viz if Jews were admitted in unusually large numbers, they would then proceed to use ruthless unending ethno-nepotism, networking, bribery and other traditional Jewish weapons to relentlessly drive up their numbers until they had taken over the colleges, de-Christianized them, and bolted the door shut against the original owners. Jews like to terraform the societies they parasitize to suit their own preferences, even if it means destroying the country. *Especially* if it means destroying the country.

    Which is precisely what has happened: Circumspice. So in other words, the exclusionists were not anti-semites, they were exactly right.

    The Ivies were not intended to be forward-looking outposts of cutting-edge academics; they were intended to train up a ruling elite which could handle the responsibilities of wielding power properly. Jews in the aggregate are notoriously hostile to and resentful of and condescending to White Christian America; if they were to become the elite, then they would instinctively use their influence to destroy the country, which by 2022, they have largely achieved.

    The same thing happened in Russia in pre-revolution early 20th century. Jews flooded the Russian universities, and in return the Russians got blood-soaked Bolshevism. Same thing has happened here, only without the gulags. Yet.

  38. The thing that always puzzles me when this issue comes up is why anyone would expect that colleges founded by and for protestants would be — or should be — indifferent when lots of non-Protestants demanded entrance. It is very much like the issue of “white privilege”; why on earth would anyone expect that a people would fashion a society other than so as to please themselves?

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Tono Bungay

    'The thing that always puzzles me when this issue comes up is why anyone would expect that colleges founded by and for protestants would be — or should be — indifferent when lots of non-Protestants demanded entrance. It is very much like the issue of “white privilege”; why on earth would anyone expect that a people would fashion a society other than so as to please themselves?'

    I suppose it goes right back to the universalist and humanitarian aspirations of Christianity. Ultimately, it may all lead inexorably to where we are today.

    One can see this when some otherwise perfectly-intelligent Trump voter says in all sincerity that he has no problem with immigrants that come in legally, etc. It doesn't occur to him that we made this country to our taste, and we have every right to keep it that way, and that includes not letting in people different than ourselves.

  39. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    Columbia got busted for submitting fraudulent numbers to US News Rankings. They are dropped from 2nd to 18th (having risen from 18th in 1988).

    This was exposed by math professor Michael Thaddeus from that university,


    PERCENTAGE OF FACULTY WHO ARE FULL-TIME

    • Columbia claims to U.S. News that 96.5% of its non-medical faculty are full-time, yet data reported to the U.S. Department of Education indicate that the correct percentage is more like 74.1%.

    CONCLUSION
    • No one should try to reform or rehabilitate the U.S. News ranking: it is irredeemable.

    • Root-and-branch reform — not confined to rankings alone — is needed at Columbia.

     

    https://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/ranking/executivesummary.pdf

    Jews that they they would start their own competing colleges
     
    Corollary question is when will Asians start their own competing colleges? There is one example, Coursera, massive open online course (MOOC) provider founded by Andrew Ng.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Redneck farmer, @Jack D

    Corollary question is when will Asians start their own competing colleges?

    Central Asians catching on to being cannon fodder in Ukraine.

    “I have a simple message to President Putin. Stop the war! I have met with you on many occasions. You have the power to stop this war right now. Now it’s time to make peace. My heart is breaking apart when I see Russia. Since you started this war Russia has been drowned in fears, full of tears. Your mobilization brings oceans of suffering. Mr. President, stop your senseless killings and destruction!” Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj said.

    He noted that since the beginning of the bloody war against Ukraine, ethnic minorities in Russia have suffered the most, in particular, residents of Buryatia, Tuva, and Kalmykia, whom the Kremlin uses as cannon fodder. That is why Mongolia is ready to accept people fleeing Putin’s mobilization.

    Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj separately addressed those being forced to fight Putin’s war in Ukraine.

    “Don’t shoot Ukrainians. Don’t shoot your sisters and brothers, children and elders. Do not kill that country. Do not kill their freedom. Ukraine has a full right to exist,” he said.

    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3578680-head-of-world-mongol-federation-calls-on-putin-to-stop-war-against-ukraine.html

  40. @Paleo Liberal
    @Reg Cæsar

    My son used to live a few blocks from that hospital. The proximity once came in handy.

    Swedish American Hospital is now part of U Wisconsin health. So no longer Lutheran.

    You are right about the religions. The Calvinists and the Quakers started a lot of what are now very prestigious schools. I remember a Quaker friend of mine telling me that his Quaker college was founded when one group of Quaker’s split from another and didn’t want their kids to go to school with the other kind of Quakers.

    As for the Jews in NYC, they had pretty much taken over CCNY and NYU, so other than Yeshiva there wasn’t much demand. Although they did start a med school, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, which is part of Yeshiva.

    OTOH there are tons of Jewish elementary and secondary schools in the NY area. The graduates seem more likely to wind up at U Wisconsin than at Yeshiva or Brandeis these days.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @prosa123

    OTOH there are tons of Jewish elementary and secondary schools in the NY area. The graduates seem more likely to wind up at U Wisconsin than at Yeshiva or Brandeis these days.

    Graduates of the Hasidic yeshivas aren’t going to end up at the university of anything. At many of them zero percent of the students can pass statewide proficiency tests in math and English.

    • Agree: Polistra
  41. Another angle to take here is to compare the behavior of Jews to that of other large non-Christian populations. Consider, say, Chinese, or Japanese. They didn’t start their own schools either — but how about other institutions?

    I don’t know if the Chinese took up golf — but I suspect they promptly formed plenty of institutions analogous to those the Jews founded. Here, note that this country used to be a lot more institutionally Christian than it is today. Jews may have been white — but just as Chinese were, they were excluded from the religious community. If one asks, not why didn’t the Jews found their own universities, but why did they found separate institutions at all, the answer may lie in religion.

  42. Wealthy WASP ivy leaguers kept up a quota on jews in their universities, but didn’t think to do the same regarding their country until mass popular support for ending immigration forced their hand. They were happy to import millions of them as long as they stayed away from their private clubs and provided a source of cheap labor.

    Now WASPs have neither their universities nor their countries

  43. Article from 1989

    The research confirmed his suspicions. Among the “Fortune 500,” the nation’s largest companies, including General Motors, IBM and General Electric, Korman found that less than 5 percent of the senior executives are Jewish. This despite the fact that Jews are roughly 10 percent of all college graduates, and more than 25 percent of graduates of the best business schools, such as those in the Ivy League.

    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1989-08-04-8902240693-story.html

  44. @Harry Baldwin
    Perhaps there would have been less clamoring among Jews for admission to the Ivies had those institutions hewed to their original purpose:

    Harvard’s “Rules and Precepts” (1646): “Every one shall consider the main end of his life and studies to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life.”

    Timothy Dwight, President of Yale (1814): “Christ is the only, the true, the living way of access to God.”

    Columbia University (1754): “The chief thing that is aimed at in this college is to teach and engage children to know God in Jesus Christ.”

    John Witherspoon, first president of Princeton: “Cursed by all learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.”

    William and Mary was established “that the Christian faith might be propagated.”

    Dartmouth was founded to train missionaries to the Indians.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Thea

    Jonathan Edwards was once Princeton’s president as well.

    Excellent point that these were explicitly religious schools. Why would a Jew want so badly to attend universities dedicated to the centrality of Christ in academic pursuits?

    They’ve cast off God and fallen into decadence.

  45. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s myth that selective admissions is recent. More than half of kids go to college now. A hundred years ago only a tenth did. College kids naturally self selected. Those ten percent were all in the top quintile by intelligence.

    Now you have below average intelligence kids with a hankering for a taste of that college stuff. Elite colleges need defenses against the great mass of retards banging on the gates. Between the SAT and the recent uptick in the supply of clever octoroons/recent black immigrants they are able to keep their institution’s cognitive average somewhat up to standard.

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anon

    Defenses against? No. Money is money. As far as keeping standards high, also no.

  46. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    Columbia got busted for submitting fraudulent numbers to US News Rankings. They are dropped from 2nd to 18th (having risen from 18th in 1988).

    This was exposed by math professor Michael Thaddeus from that university,


    PERCENTAGE OF FACULTY WHO ARE FULL-TIME

    • Columbia claims to U.S. News that 96.5% of its non-medical faculty are full-time, yet data reported to the U.S. Department of Education indicate that the correct percentage is more like 74.1%.

    CONCLUSION
    • No one should try to reform or rehabilitate the U.S. News ranking: it is irredeemable.

    • Root-and-branch reform — not confined to rankings alone — is needed at Columbia.

     

    https://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/ranking/executivesummary.pdf

    Jews that they they would start their own competing colleges
     
    Corollary question is when will Asians start their own competing colleges? There is one example, Coursera, massive open online course (MOOC) provider founded by Andrew Ng.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Redneck farmer, @Jack D

    Thomas Sowell spent a lot of time and ink showing how inaccurate USN&WR college rankings are.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Redneck farmer

    I wouldn't say its irredeemable, it become self-reenforcing as the higher ranked a school it is allowed to be more selective.

    Math professors can be very ivory tower idealistic. But prof Thaddeus probably would get frisky about analyzing correlation of SAT scores with IQ and race.

  47. Why didn’t conservatives start their own universities fifty years ago? Or even thirty years ago? Everyone could see which way things were trending.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @John Pepple

    It’s analogous to Steve’s story about rich German Jews not getting bent out of shape that Eastern European Jews didn’t get into Ivy League Schools. Elite US colleges admit just enough elite conservatives to stay relevant to them. Trump, Bannon, DeSantis, Cruz, Kavanaugh, etc all have Ivy League degrees. The conservative political and intellectual elite has no real interest in reducing their own status by creating competing structures.

  48. @Abe
    @ic1000


    I hope that doesn’t undermine the Atlantic‘s other visionary positions, e.g. on women’s sports and on the need for eternal war with Russia.
     
    Yesterday my wife was repeating the latest Bluecheck talking point about Putin kidnapping people off the street to send to Eastern Ukraine and stuff its plebiscite vote in favor of breaking away and joining Russia. Any temptation to point out this is exactly what Pelosi, Schumer et al are trying to do to Texas, Florida, to turn them blue etc was overridden by my need at the moment for a sandwich.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Polistra

    The sandwich you got from your local establishment after she hit you with a frying pan for being a dick. Next time, be honest about reporting what exactly happened.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus

    Corv can afford a place on the Vineyard, guys. Explains the amount of time he has available to hector us.

  49. This is just another tiresome instance of what I term “Time Machine Reporting”.

    In this case, by someone who is banging the ancient drum on behalf of, what? His own Tribe. No, you probably can’t get in. It’s called Special Pleading.

    Okay, many do that. Of course failing to publicly note that you aren’t some Objective Truth Seeker is a major ‘tell’.

    Time Machine Reporting (which goes along with the plague of this kind of “thinking’) is this. The notion that somehow by studying history and finding various past “wrongs” or mistakes or just foolishly held beliefs (WWI “the war to end all wars!”) will somehow magically change the past and make the present better. This is implied but never explicitly stated out loud.

    If Moses had only marched West, would Libya now be The Promised Land and the sacred Jewish Homeland? Well, we can’t go back, can we?

    People in the past were for instance, far more religious in stated reasons for their behavior. As some correctly note, nearly all prior to 20th century universities and colleges (other than govt. land grant ones) were founded on explicitly religious grounds. Christian usually, of differing sects. Kvetching about that now in some Jewish guy’s Tweet thread won’t alter that past reality.

    Nearly all such journalism/history about past wrongs is intended not to merely educate us today. No, the purpose is to make the false claim that by acknowledging (selective) past “wrongs” therefore we should be persuaded to do something that the Time Machine author wishes to be done in the present.

    No, the past won’t change. But you better do what your Newly Instilled Guilt demands. Or what the authors want you to do. Of course Time Machine authors are themselves highly selective.

    Does the above Jewish Tweeter lament the Jewish subjugation of the Samaritans of ancient times? Where are their reparations and Levant homelands? Oh, never mind…

  50. @Art Deco
    If I'm not mistaken, entrance examinations were common in the early 20th century to screen applicants. Harvard's included knowledge of Latin until 1916 and knowledge of Greek until 1897. They were selective.

    Ca, 1928, most youths between the ages of 14 and 18 were not enrolled in high school. Tertiary schooling encompassed a variety of practices and institutions: vocational training, junior colleges, normal schools, teachers colleges, hospital nursing schools, stand-alone professional schools &c. Colleges and universities hoovered up about 6% of each cohort. 'Not selective' meant something rather different in that era than it does today.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Anon

    Look through old Harvard Entrance Exams from the 1900s. They’re online. They were intense, with a heavy emphasis on algebra and geometry. Most current Harvard students could not pass them today.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Anon


    Look through old Harvard Entrance Exams from the 1900s. They’re online. They were intense, with a heavy emphasis on algebra and geometry. Most current Harvard students could not pass them today.
     
    Yes‐‐I've seen these. The older ones are amazing for the depth and breadth of knowledge they assume. For example, requiring the ability to read, interpret, and respond in ancient Greek and Latin.
  51. Perhaps the WASPS, by letting in a smattering of Jews, were reacting to the previous generations of Irish Catholics who, when faced with being barred from Harvard and co, started up their own numerous Catholic colleges such as Villanova Fordham, and Boston College.

    Not only did these institutions come to be pipelines for smart Catholic kids, but they also had the double deleterious effect of being Church-run and thus the spectre of the papist hordes conquering the protestant religions loomed large. The WASPs reversed course and started letting in the rich elite Catholic kids to stifle off these rival schools from succeeding the Ivys (e.g. JFK and his brothers went to Harvard in the first half of the 20th century and it wasn’t thought a scandal). Thus, even today, while the Catholic universities have a fine reputation, they are still considered a step below the Ivys in terms of prestige.

    By the time the Eastern European Jews were making noise to get into the Ivys, the WASPs didn’t make the same mistake they made with the Catholics and wisely let in a quote number of them to keep them from building their own institutions and beating the Ivys at their own game. Nipped that problem in the bud.

  52. @PiltdownMan
    @Reg Cæsar



    Yale, further away…
     
    Yale, farther away… 190 miles, to be exact.

    Sorry for the pedantry, but consider the topic…

     

    https://i.imgur.com/LfEdGFZ.jpg


    https://youtu.be/8S-USLEW078

    Replies: @Thomm

    Not just that, but imagine a black kid aged just 16 being the one to correct you :

  53. Why Did 1920s Jews Start Country Clubs and Hospitals But Not Colleges?

    Because Jews can’t do “the long march through the institutions” if they aren’t in the institutions.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes, 3g4me, Gordo
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Because Jews can’t do “the long march through the institutions” if they aren’t in the institutions.

    To be clear, this is the answer. You can state it more politely saying the goal was "status" or "access", rather than education.


    For the Catholics--the comparable--there was the desire to get lots of their people educated. But also to build/maintain leaders who had a specifically Catholic religious sensibility. Some Anglo-Protestant institutions were closed to them But even if a Catholic family sends their son off to some traditional Anglo-Protestant college or even a BSU land-grant... will they still be functionally Catholic?

    For the Jews, they are going to be Jewish pretty no matter what. And education wasn't the issue.
    Jews were fairly concentrated and they could have easily built a few universities to handle Jews' education. But what the Jews desired was not being in some Jewish university, but access to elite gentile society ... and the opportunity to remake it as they wished.


    With the country clubs, the Jews had--and still do--their own exclusive clubs for their own socializing, matching and mating. But they still manage to whine about gentile clubs. Most of this is a complete fairy-tale and desire to whine. But to the extent there is anything to it, it boils down again to access to elite gentile society.

    Our stuff is our stuff and ... their stuff is our stuff.

    Replies: @loveshumanity, @James B. Shearer

    , @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad


    Why Did 1920s Jews Start Country Clubs and Hospitals But Not Colleges?
     
    BTW, some more interesting questions:

    1) Was there any possible set of behaviors by American whites toward Jews--short of immediately giving Jews their daughters as sex slaves**--that Jews would not be whining about?

    2) Was there any possible set of behaviors by American whites toward Jews, that would have forestalled Jews from trashing American history as just a big heap of racist oppression, denouncing American flyover whites as irredeemably racist (and borderline Nazis) and calling for their inundation with mooooore immigration? I.e. was their any possible policy set that would have resulted in Jewish loyalty to the American nation?

    3) Is there anything American whites could have done to avert the current destruction of America, other than just keep the Ashkenazi Jews out?



    ** Note: Pretty sure a policy of immediately providing Jews shiksa sex slaves, while welcomed by Jewish men, would be earnestly denounced by Jewish women as a plot by the patriarchy against Jewish women--attempting to subvert their sexual power and destroy the Jewish people as a cohesive ethnic group--sexist, racist and anti-Semitic! The Shiksacaust.
  54. @Daniel H
    Will we ever hear the end if this plaint from the 1920s? Seems that every decade of so it's brought to the fore again.

    A more pressing question for aspirational Jews today should be whether Ivy admissions are gamed today to favor Jews at the expense of Asians and white goy. For details, see Ron Unz.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar, @George

    Liar. It’s not from the 1920s. Yale continued to discriminate against Jews until the 1960s, well within living memory.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/04/nyregion/yale-s-limit-on-jewish-enrollment-lasted-until-early-1960-s-book-says.html

    I realize the ’60s are a while ago too but the fact that you lie about this in order to minimize it shows your bad faith.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Jack D

    The article, on a Jewish topic, about a book by a Jewish author, in the nation's primary Jewish newspaper, is ridiculously slanted — even by the standards of Jewish agitprop.

    To take just two examples, there were Jewish deans at Yale long before the period in question, when it is asserted that Yale had no Jewish professors. And the proportion of jews at Yale has always been many multiples of their proportion of the population.

    Now, were there ever incidents of antisemitism at Yale, as the book's cherry picked anecdotes insist? Probably there were, and so what? Many of us have experienced the same sort of thing, but from jews themselves, and in the here and now.


    From the article:


    Today, Jewish students account for about 30 percent of the Yale enrollment
     
    Since white students, broadly defined, constitute about 45% of Yale enrolment, where does this leave white people? And why?

    the fact that you lie about this in order to minimize it shows your bad faith.
     
    Physician, heal thyself.
    , @Colonel Odd Bull
    @Jack D

    Harvard provided affirmative action preferences for underrepresented groups. If you want to call that discrimination, OK, that's reasonable, but it seems to upset you more than all the other affirmative action for some reason. Sometimes most of the overrepresented groups tolerate the affirmative action preferences. Sometimes even overrepresented groups get affirmative action preferences in their favor, even though they are already overrepresented. Sometimes this goes on for 40 years.

    General Odd Bull

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  55. Maybe if everyone ignores Harvard it will go away. Wokeness and affirmative action has turned the campus into an intellectual wasteland. But maybe that’s the point of attending — to turn you into a bot for elite sanctioned opinions. Also, a Harvard grad’s thin veneer of NYTimes culture gives him an advantage during rounds of speed dating.

  56. @Daniel H
    Will we ever hear the end if this plaint from the 1920s? Seems that every decade of so it's brought to the fore again.

    A more pressing question for aspirational Jews today should be whether Ivy admissions are gamed today to favor Jews at the expense of Asians and white goy. For details, see Ron Unz.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar, @George

    For details, see Ron Unz.

    Mr. Unz has his critics. He’s most displeased if you suggest they got the better of him in that exchange.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Art Deco


    Mr. Unz has his critics. He’s most displeased if you suggest they got the better of him in that exchange.
     
    Did they get the better of him?

    I don’t think so. Hopefully the courts aren’t too biased to give Unz’s side a fair hearing.
  57. @Tono Bungay
    The thing that always puzzles me when this issue comes up is why anyone would expect that colleges founded by and for protestants would be — or should be — indifferent when lots of non-Protestants demanded entrance. It is very much like the issue of “white privilege”; why on earth would anyone expect that a people would fashion a society other than so as to please themselves?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘The thing that always puzzles me when this issue comes up is why anyone would expect that colleges founded by and for protestants would be — or should be — indifferent when lots of non-Protestants demanded entrance. It is very much like the issue of “white privilege”; why on earth would anyone expect that a people would fashion a society other than so as to please themselves?’

    I suppose it goes right back to the universalist and humanitarian aspirations of Christianity. Ultimately, it may all lead inexorably to where we are today.

    One can see this when some otherwise perfectly-intelligent Trump voter says in all sincerity that he has no problem with immigrants that come in legally, etc. It doesn’t occur to him that we made this country to our taste, and we have every right to keep it that way, and that includes not letting in people different than ourselves.

  58. @AnotherDad

    Why Did 1920s Jews Start Country Clubs and Hospitals But Not Colleges?
     
    Because Jews can't do "the long march through the institutions" if they aren't in the institutions.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad

    Because Jews can’t do “the long march through the institutions” if they aren’t in the institutions.

    To be clear, this is the answer. You can state it more politely saying the goal was “status” or “access”, rather than education.

    For the Catholics–the comparable–there was the desire to get lots of their people educated. But also to build/maintain leaders who had a specifically Catholic religious sensibility. Some Anglo-Protestant institutions were closed to them But even if a Catholic family sends their son off to some traditional Anglo-Protestant college or even a BSU land-grant… will they still be functionally Catholic?

    For the Jews, they are going to be Jewish pretty no matter what. And education wasn’t the issue.
    Jews were fairly concentrated and they could have easily built a few universities to handle Jews’ education. But what the Jews desired was not being in some Jewish university, but access to elite gentile society … and the opportunity to remake it as they wished.

    With the country clubs, the Jews had–and still do–their own exclusive clubs for their own socializing, matching and mating. But they still manage to whine about gentile clubs. Most of this is a complete fairy-tale and desire to whine. But to the extent there is anything to it, it boils down again to access to elite gentile society.

    Our stuff is our stuff and … their stuff is our stuff.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @loveshumanity
    @AnotherDad


    But what the Jews desired was not being in some Jewish university, but access to elite gentile society … and the opportunity to remake it as they wished.
     
    Just like any other immigrant group. They are successful because they are the smartest group. That's pretty much it.
    , @James B. Shearer
    @AnotherDad

    For the Jews, they are going to be Jewish pretty no matter what. .."

    How about their children and grandchildren? You send your Jewish kid to a non-Jewish school that will increase the chance they will marry a non-Jew.

  59. What’s that old joke? “I would never join a club that would accept me as a member.”

    It came from Groucho Marx and then Woody Allen. I’m not sure it applies here exactly, but I must admit to occasionally feeling that way myself.

    • Replies: @Graham
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Correct. The unspoken obverse was “I really want to join a club that won’t accept [people like] me.”

  60. OT: A story from my town, Winnipeg, which seems sort of iStevie: mayoral candidate says violence against aboriginal women is most often perpetrated by aboriginal men. Don”t know if hes right, but its sure kicking up a dustcloud around here!

    (Sorry for the lack of apostrophes. My keyboard has problems).

    Winnipeg mayoral candidate Don Woodstock blames Indigenous men for violence against Indigenous women

    I meant to put a link to one of the many news stories you can google today, Im old, half drunk, my crude-at-best internet skills have failed me, you can google it yourself. (The pictures kind of tell a story).

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Scottie Lundegaard

    'OT: A story from my town, Winnipeg, which seems sort of iStevie: mayoral candidate says violence against aboriginal women is most often perpetrated by aboriginal men. Don”t know if hes right, but its sure kicking up a dustcloud around here!

    (Sorry for the lack of apostrophes. My keyboard has problems).

    Winnipeg mayoral candidate Don Woodstock blames Indigenous men for violence against Indigenous women...'

    It's kind of alarming that we're rapidly reaching the point where public figures can't even say the most obvious truths.

  61. @John Pepple
    Why didn't conservatives start their own universities fifty years ago? Or even thirty years ago? Everyone could see which way things were trending.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    It’s analogous to Steve’s story about rich German Jews not getting bent out of shape that Eastern European Jews didn’t get into Ivy League Schools. Elite US colleges admit just enough elite conservatives to stay relevant to them. Trump, Bannon, DeSantis, Cruz, Kavanaugh, etc all have Ivy League degrees. The conservative political and intellectual elite has no real interest in reducing their own status by creating competing structures.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  62. @Daniel H
    Will we ever hear the end if this plaint from the 1920s? Seems that every decade of so it's brought to the fore again.

    A more pressing question for aspirational Jews today should be whether Ivy admissions are gamed today to favor Jews at the expense of Asians and white goy. For details, see Ron Unz.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar, @George

    Seems that every decade of so it’s brought to the fore again.

    Why did the duffer pack a spare pair of sox?

    In case he got a hole in one.

  63. My middling ranked west coast Yacht Club has been ruined by the admission of a Jewish couple who had been black balled for 3 years but finally got in via suspected blackmail on the blackballing members. This single inappropriate couple has rui

    • Replies: @CharleszMartel
    @Anon

    Please finish this. I'd really like to hear the end and what happened.

    I'm not joking.

    Thanks!

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Anon
    @Anon


    My middling ranked west coast Yacht Club has been ruined by the admission of a Jewish couple who had been black balled for 3 years but finally got in via suspected blackmail on the blackballing members. This single inappropriate couple has ruined
     
    How did they ruin the club?
  64. @Corvinus
    @Abe

    The sandwich you got from your local establishment after she hit you with a frying pan for being a dick. Next time, be honest about reporting what exactly happened.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Corv can afford a place on the Vineyard, guys. Explains the amount of time he has available to hector us.

  65. @Art Deco
    @Daniel H

    For details, see Ron Unz.

    Mr. Unz has his critics. He's most displeased if you suggest they got the better of him in that exchange.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Mr. Unz has his critics. He’s most displeased if you suggest they got the better of him in that exchange.

    Did they get the better of him?

    I don’t think so. Hopefully the courts aren’t too biased to give Unz’s side a fair hearing.

  66. The following is a retelling of something I think I once mentioned here:

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town, when Ken Burns walked up to me…

    No wait. Wrong town.

    A drunk Jew* walked up to me and asked where I was from. Instead of going into biographical details about the Ooold West and both coasts, I just told him the town we had moved from, which is just the next one over.

    He responded, “Oh, [that town]!” They wouldn’t let me into their club!” He did not say this in a nice way.

    There is a club on the shore there with a little beach and a nice golf course. Golf addicts like Jack Welch of GE fame have been members…

    My response was, “I’m from out west.”

    His then was, “What does that mean?”

    “It means I don’t know what you’re talking about,” though I did.

    So here in the 21st century, on the East Coast — where in my observation ethnic sensitivities run stronger than in the middle part of the country — here was a Jewish guy, drunk at the polling place, making an issue of where I was from and how, supposedly, he was kept out of a local club.

    *Those do exist.

    • Thanks: SafeNow
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Anecdote is not the singular of data. Any Jew who makes a big deal about being excluded from a country club is definitely a jerk but I don't think this is actually a major preoccupation of Jews. I have heard more about Jews not getting into country clubs on Unz than I EVER heard in my real life.

    It sure as hell wasn't where I grew up, where there was exactly 1 golf course (made out of the last dairy farm in the area) and it was public. OTOH getting into college WAS a big deal for me and my circle of friends, Jewish and non-Jewish and I would have been REALLY (and I think rightly) pissed if I wasn't able to get into the college of my choice based on my religion rather than my qualifications. Fortunately, I missed that but only by a decade so this was not some sort of ancient history.

    The country club thing is a bad faith argument - no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    I know that there are people here who feel that discrimination should be part of the right of free association of private businesses and institutions but I think the Holocaust lifted the scales from the eyes of American Jews. If you look at what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler did not come to power one day and the next day start building gas chambers - it was much more gradual that that, taking place over the space of almost a decade. Jew in Germany had their rights stripped away one by one and not all at once. So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that "polite" or "social" discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres. The fact that early America was remarkably free from prejudice against Jews (not that there were many Jews) but over time more and more things in America became closed to them in the 20th century certainly pointed in this direction.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @BosTex, @Twinkie, @Colin Wright, @anonymous, @Twinkie, @Truth

    , @Rob McX
    @Buzz Mohawk

    There's a sequence in Curb Your Enthusiasmwhere Larry David is trying to say all the right things to get into a country club. He even says he's a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens. I'm not sure if this is a deliberate parody, making fun of people's misconceptions about country clubs. In a real-life interview nowadays, I'm pretty sure mentioning the Council of Conservative Citizens wouldn't help.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Ht_nsQ7Hs

    Replies: @clifford brown

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buzz Mohawk


    He responded, “Oh, [that town]!” They wouldn’t let me into their club!” He did not say this in a nice way.
     
    Missed opportunity to let him vent in detail—lead him with friendly faux concern:

    “Oh really... they wouldn’t? :( Why not?”

    You could’ve come away with a novel-worthy monologue from your new acquaintance!

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @BB753
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yeah, "golfocaust" second- and third generation victims still do exist and they suffer ill-treated PTSD. "My great-uncle Sidney was vetted from the nice goyish country-club in 1947. The poor soul never recovered. "

    , @Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Instead of going into biographical details about the Ooold West and both coasts,
     
    What is this even a reference to?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  67. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    Columbia got busted for submitting fraudulent numbers to US News Rankings. They are dropped from 2nd to 18th (having risen from 18th in 1988).

    This was exposed by math professor Michael Thaddeus from that university,


    PERCENTAGE OF FACULTY WHO ARE FULL-TIME

    • Columbia claims to U.S. News that 96.5% of its non-medical faculty are full-time, yet data reported to the U.S. Department of Education indicate that the correct percentage is more like 74.1%.

    CONCLUSION
    • No one should try to reform or rehabilitate the U.S. News ranking: it is irredeemable.

    • Root-and-branch reform — not confined to rankings alone — is needed at Columbia.

     

    https://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/ranking/executivesummary.pdf

    Jews that they they would start their own competing colleges
     
    Corollary question is when will Asians start their own competing colleges? There is one example, Coursera, massive open online course (MOOC) provider founded by Andrew Ng.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Redneck farmer, @Jack D

    US News was asking for this because they tried to do the rankings on the cheap, based on self-reporting. They are too small to have the resource to do original research so instead they would send each college admission office a questionnaire to fill out. There was no one at US News even spot checking the questionnaires while the colleges had a big incentive to lie. Columbia wouldn’t have gotten caught except for its own math professor who sniffed around and snitched on his own college.

    The other reason that Columbia got caught is that when you license lying like that, there are some people/institutions who take it too far. It’s like cheating on taxes – a lot of people cheat a little bit on their taxes but if you claim that you have 47 dependents then the IRS might decide to sniff around.

    Columbia got greedy – yes it was always an Ivy but it was one of the lower Ivies. Then they started coming up and up every year like some Ponzi scheme ready to burst. They made it all the way to #2! Columbia is an OK school but #2 in America? Ahead of MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, etc. – NFW! Something smelled rotten.

    OTOH, demoting them to #18 is clearly just punishment. With all due respect to Steve, Rice is not better than Columbia (to the extent that you can rank order colleges at all, which is a separate question). Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Wash U are fine schools but again putting Columbia behind them is out of order.

    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get:

    School Average SAT Score
    California Institute of Technology 1555
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1545
    University of Chicago 1535
    Harvey Mudd College 1530
    Yale University 1520
    Harvard University 1520
    Washington University in St Louis 1520
    Duke University 1520
    Vanderbilt University 1520
    Johns Hopkins University 1515
    Columbia University in the City of New York 1515
    University of Pennsylvania 1515
    Rice University 1515
    Princeton University 1510
    Carnegie Mellon 1510

    Mudd is an outlier. The variation in ranking of the rest (US News rank vs SAT rank) can be explained either by certain schools being “undervalued” in regard to better known schools with equal or better SAT scores (e.g. #15 Rice vs. #7 Penn) or else the Asian overflow factor (lots of 1600 SAT Asians can no longer get into MIT so they go to Carnegie Mellon and raise its SAT average or else the woke factor – Princeton is #1 in US News rankings and can “afford” to take a lot of low SAT blacks without hurting their rank.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Jack D

    Don't know if it's still the case, but for many years the college with the highest paid graduates, or nearly so, was the Colorado School of Mines. Also right up there was/is the very small Webb Institute of Naval Architecture.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Matt Buckalew
    @Jack D

    What’s the average SAT score at your alma mater-Villanova?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Jack D

    Mostly agree, that's why snitches get stitches. The full analysis is here. US News actually no longer exists in print,

    https://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/ranking/investigation.html

    - US News is undergrad selectivity focused*. Columbia's freshmen undergrad class I'm sure is quite high. Only they dilute this can having a lot of transfers and masters students

    *So the big state schools tend to be lower in US News, not so in Shanghai rankings which emphasizes grad research output (https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2022)

    - The fact that they have a lot part-time adjunct faculty isn't a negative, since they are typically coming from nearby financial institutions.

    - Their endowment, a strong indicator of prestige, is only behind HYP and Penn in the Ivies,

    http://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/endowment.html

    Rankings do serve a utility as does correlate with the ability to get through a selectivity filter.

    Problem is Chinese have a long history of obsessing over minutiae of rankings and thus missed out the industrial revolution


    Zhuangyuan (狀元, lit. "top thesis author"), the jinshi who ranked first overall nationwide.
    Bangyan (榜眼, lit. "eyes positioned alongside"), the jinshi who ranked second overall just below zhuangyuan.
    Tanhua (探花, lit. "flower snatcher"), the jinshi ranked third overall.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination#Degree_types
    , @JimB
    @Jack D


    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get.
     
    SAT scores are a measure of student quality, not school quality. Nobel counting would probably be a better measure of school quality.

    Then the revised ranking is,

    1. Princeton
    2. Stanford
    3. University of Chicago
    4. Columbia
    5. MIT
    6. Berkeley
    7. Howard Hughes Medical Inst.
    8. Harvard
    9. UC Santa Barbara
    10. Technion Israel Inst. of Technology

    And there you have it.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Bardon Kaldian, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    Yale University 1520
    Harvard University 1520
     
    Harvard beats Yale, 1520-1520
    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Where is Stanford? Berkeley? Middlebury?

  68. At the hospital, you get a donor plaque in the lobby. Actually a hierarchy of plaque levels. A friend someday will be sitting in the lobby, waiting for a loved one to emerge from a procedure. The bored/nervous friend browses the plaques, and sees your name! (or you might even endow a cancer building if you are rich). And certainly the docs and nurses are aware of who the big donors are. A university, by contrast, does not have a plaque lobby. A plaque to a Jew is like – – like – – darn, I can’t think of a simile.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @SafeNow

    My dentist went to Columbia, and he says a plaque is bad.

    He also told me to watch out for recessions, and I told him we're already in one.

    , @Cutter
    @SafeNow

    "A university, by contrast, does not have a plaque lobby."

    They have buildings, professorships, scholarships, and entire colleges on which you can get your name if you donate enough.

    Probably plaques, too. But definitely the others.

    , @HammerJack
    @SafeNow


    A university, by contrast, does not have a plaque lobby.
     
    The one where I attended has a lobby in one of its main buildings with bronze plaques listing the many students and alumni who lost their lives in America's wars. Fighting for the country which now excludes them; such is thanks.
  69. @Hodag
    What are the names of Jewish city clubs, like the Standard Club, Union League Club? I am not familiar.

    Replies: @Flip, @Giant Duck, @Cauchemar du Singe

    The Harmonie Club in New York is the one example I’m aware of:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonie_Club

  70. Considering that EVERY Ivy, maybe every college in colonial America and the early USA, started as a CHRISTIAN institution, for the education of the best and brightest OF THE COMMUNITY, maybe they shouldn’t have admitted ANY Jew or POC EVER. Do rabbi schools, whatever they’re called, admit gentiles?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dvnjbbgc


    Considering that EVERY Ivy, maybe every college in colonial America and the early USA, started as a CHRISTIAN institution, for the education of the best and brightest OF THE COMMUNITY, maybe they shouldn’t have admitted ANY Jew or POC EVER. Do rabbi schools, whatever they’re called, admit gentiles?
     
    It’s a fair question.
  71. @Buzz Mohawk
    The following is a retelling of something I think I once mentioned here:

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town, when Ken Burns walked up to me...

    No wait. Wrong town.

    A drunk Jew* walked up to me and asked where I was from. Instead of going into biographical details about the Ooold West and both coasts, I just told him the town we had moved from, which is just the next one over.

    He responded, "Oh, [that town]!" They wouldn't let me into their club!" He did not say this in a nice way.

    There is a club on the shore there with a little beach and a nice golf course. Golf addicts like Jack Welch of GE fame have been members...

    My response was, "I'm from out west."

    His then was, "What does that mean?"

    "It means I don't know what you're talking about," though I did.

    So here in the 21st century, on the East Coast -- where in my observation ethnic sensitivities run stronger than in the middle part of the country -- here was a Jewish guy, drunk at the polling place, making an issue of where I was from and how, supposedly, he was kept out of a local club.

    *Those do exist.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @BB753, @Anon

    Anecdote is not the singular of data. Any Jew who makes a big deal about being excluded from a country club is definitely a jerk but I don’t think this is actually a major preoccupation of Jews. I have heard more about Jews not getting into country clubs on Unz than I EVER heard in my real life.

    It sure as hell wasn’t where I grew up, where there was exactly 1 golf course (made out of the last dairy farm in the area) and it was public. OTOH getting into college WAS a big deal for me and my circle of friends, Jewish and non-Jewish and I would have been REALLY (and I think rightly) pissed if I wasn’t able to get into the college of my choice based on my religion rather than my qualifications. Fortunately, I missed that but only by a decade so this was not some sort of ancient history.

    The country club thing is a bad faith argument – no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    I know that there are people here who feel that discrimination should be part of the right of free association of private businesses and institutions but I think the Holocaust lifted the scales from the eyes of American Jews. If you look at what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler did not come to power one day and the next day start building gas chambers – it was much more gradual that that, taking place over the space of almost a decade. Jew in Germany had their rights stripped away one by one and not all at once. So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that “polite” or “social” discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres. The fact that early America was remarkably free from prejudice against Jews (not that there were many Jews) but over time more and more things in America became closed to them in the 20th century certainly pointed in this direction.

    • Agree: BosTex
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    Anecdote is not the singular of data.
     
    Actually .................. Yes, it is.
    , @BosTex
    @Jack D

    Any commentary that starts out with blaming “The Jews” I always skip by.

    I “get” that Jews are part of our traitorous elite, but so are gentiles.

    I have known quite a few Jews in my life and what strikes me is their variability, like many other European ethnic groups.

    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.
     
    It’s amazing how effortlessly self-unaware you are in shifting from “flight from white” to “fellow whites” and back again as sophistic convenience dictates on the same blog, sometimes even on the same thread.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '... So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that “polite” or “social” discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres...'

    Could lead to it -- but can we be sure?

    After all, to exclude anyone from anything, first we're going to have to regain control of our institutions. Seven out of eight of the presidents of the Ivy League schools are Jews, the eight largest contributors to the current president's election campaign were all Jews, the Attorney General is a Jew, the Secretary of State is a Jew, the Secretary of Homeland Security is a Jew, the Treasury Secretary is a Jew, the White House Chief of Staff is a Jew...

    I'm not sure 'polite' anything is going to be sufficient. After all, it's not just that Jews are running everything, it's that they're no damned good at the job. What are we supposed to do? Wait around and hope they get better?

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @anonymous
    @Jack D


    Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.
     
    Jews discriminate against other groups. You have little standing to complain about other groups discriminating against jews.
    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    The country club thing is a bad faith argument – no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.
     
    I've done this dance with you before, but, you like to be the mole in "whack-a-mole," so here go I:

    In this Eeeevil "pre-1960s" America where Jews were oppressed, this poor discriminated Jew named Henry Morgenthau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau_Jr.), somehow managed to hide his Jewishness and rise to become:


    the United States Secretary of the Treasury during most of the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt. He played a major role in designing and financing the New Deal. After 1937, while still in charge of the Treasury, he played the central role in financing United States participation in World War II.[1] He also played an increasingly major role in shaping foreign policy, especially with respect to Lend-Lease, support for China, helping Jewish refugees, and proposing (in the "Morgenthau Plan") measures to deindustrialise Germany.[2]

    Morgenthau was the father of Robert M. Morgenthau, who was District Attorney of Manhattan for 35 years and Henry Morgenthau III, an American author and television producer. He continued as Treasury secretary through the first few months of Harry Truman's presidency, and from June 27, 1945, to July 3, 1945, following the resignation of Secretary of State Edward Stettinius Jr., was next in line to the presidency.
     

    Via Exeter, Dwight, and Cornell, of course, not to forget early friendship with FDR and Eleanor.

    Thank goodness, somehow, the cooler heads prevailed and Morgenthau's desire to turn Germany into a giant potato patch came to nill. Must be because these horrible Goyim figured out that he was, gasp, a Jew!


    Henry Morgenthau Jr. was born into a prominent Jewish family in New York City, the son of Josephine (Sykes) and Henry Morgenthau Sr., a real estate mogul and diplomat. His parents were born in Germany.
     
    Question: in this horribly oppressive and anti-Semitic America, how did Henry's parents immigrate from Europe and become "prominent" and his father "a real estate mogul and diplomat"? I thought anti-Semitism before 1960's was "broad and deep"? He couldn't get into a country club, but could make his son the financial lord of America?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jack D, @James B. Shearer

    , @Truth
    @Jack D

    You're a Heeb?

    I must have missed that one. OK, that explains a lot.

  72. @SafeNow
    At the hospital, you get a donor plaque in the lobby. Actually a hierarchy of plaque levels. A friend someday will be sitting in the lobby, waiting for a loved one to emerge from a procedure. The bored/nervous friend browses the plaques, and sees your name! (or you might even endow a cancer building if you are rich). And certainly the docs and nurses are aware of who the big donors are. A university, by contrast, does not have a plaque lobby. A plaque to a Jew is like - - like - - darn, I can’t think of a simile.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Cutter, @HammerJack

    My dentist went to Columbia, and he says a plaque is bad.

    He also told me to watch out for recessions, and I told him we’re already in one.

  73. @PiltdownMan
    @Pixo

    Why does the Jewish caricature have the "SS" Schutzstaffel lightning bolt insignia on its bowler hat?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Cauchemar du Singe

    Because it’s not Jewish in any way.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @J.Ross

    J. Ross, see my reply to Clifford Brown. Thanks.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  74. @Anon
    It’s myth that selective admissions is recent. More than half of kids go to college now. A hundred years ago only a tenth did. College kids naturally self selected. Those ten percent were all in the top quintile by intelligence.

    Now you have below average intelligence kids with a hankering for a taste of that college stuff. Elite colleges need defenses against the great mass of retards banging on the gates. Between the SAT and the recent uptick in the supply of clever octoroons/recent black immigrants they are able to keep their institution’s cognitive average somewhat up to standard.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Defenses against? No. Money is money. As far as keeping standards high, also no.

  75. @Buzz Mohawk
    What's that old joke? "I would never join a club that would accept me as a member."

    It came from Groucho Marx and then Woody Allen. I'm not sure it applies here exactly, but I must admit to occasionally feeling that way myself.

    Replies: @Graham

    Correct. The unspoken obverse was “I really want to join a club that won’t accept [people like] me.”

  76. Anecdote is not the singular of data.

    Sorry Jack. Didn’t mean to touch a nerve. Just telling a story, not making an argument.

    I have heard more about Jews not getting into country clubs on Unz than I EVER heard in my real life.

    Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality.

    Oh darn, it’s The Men of UNZ again.

    • LOL: Polistra
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Just telling a story, not making an argument.
     
    I'll tell you a story -

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town,

    A drunk goy walked up to me and said to me, "You dirty Jew, I want you out of town by dark or Ima gonna kill you and your whole dirty Jew family."

    I'm not making any argument that all goyim are bad, mind you, I'm just telling you a story, OK?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @Mike Tre, @clifford brown

  77. @SafeNow
    At the hospital, you get a donor plaque in the lobby. Actually a hierarchy of plaque levels. A friend someday will be sitting in the lobby, waiting for a loved one to emerge from a procedure. The bored/nervous friend browses the plaques, and sees your name! (or you might even endow a cancer building if you are rich). And certainly the docs and nurses are aware of who the big donors are. A university, by contrast, does not have a plaque lobby. A plaque to a Jew is like - - like - - darn, I can’t think of a simile.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Cutter, @HammerJack

    “A university, by contrast, does not have a plaque lobby.”

    They have buildings, professorships, scholarships, and entire colleges on which you can get your name if you donate enough.

    Probably plaques, too. But definitely the others.

  78. Anon[111] • Disclaimer says:

    Jewish scholarship and learning, before 1940, was almost entirely European. The amount of Jews in the US before the great wave of Ashkenazis from Russia in the late 1800s was tiny. There were barely any Jews who could have contributed anything. The first wave of Ashkenazis were peasants with almost zero education. Those Ashkenazis who did want learning were almost invariably were pushed by their families into religious leaning and became rabbis.

    Ashkenazis did not have a tradition of secular college-level education and learning until they came to the West and picked it up from us. They were the pupils and we were the teachers. They could not have established colleges because they didn’t have enough educated members of their society to do it until the mid-20th century, and by then, nearly all the colleges were established, so why bother?

    An important last point. Jews like to say they value learning, but they value making a buck even more. For a long time their family members were pushed into business instead of the education because education paid poorly. College professors (and administrators) didn’t start to get decent salaries until the 1980s. Before then, education was something you did for the love it.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Anon


    College professors (and administrators) didn’t start to get decent salaries until the 1980s. Before then, education was something you did for the love it.
     
    See? Letting the chosenites take over higher education wasn't such a bad thing after all! Oh wait.
  79. @Buzz Mohawk

    Anecdote is not the singular of data.
     
    Sorry Jack. Didn't mean to touch a nerve. Just telling a story, not making an argument.

    I have heard more about Jews not getting into country clubs on Unz than I EVER heard in my real life.
     

    Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality.
     
    Oh darn, it's The Men of UNZ again.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Just telling a story, not making an argument.

    I’ll tell you a story –

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town,

    A drunk goy walked up to me and said to me, “You dirty Jew, I want you out of town by dark or Ima gonna kill you and your whole dirty Jew family.”

    I’m not making any argument that all goyim are bad, mind you, I’m just telling you a story, OK?

    • Troll: Polistra
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D

    And yet, Buzz's story is probably true, and your story is almost certainly false.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D

    Are you serious? You're not making this up just for the sake of argument?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    But did he draw a swastika on your face? You need a swastika for the full, anti-goy, fake anti-semitic hate crime effect.


    http://afflictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/mdj2.jpg


    How come your imaginary goy is so much more threatening and violent-sounding than my actual, real-life Jew?

    How come there are so many fake anti-semitic hate crimes in our country but practically no fake anti-goy hate crimes? Who's doing the exaggerating here, and who isn't?

    In which direction does the hate really flow?


    Look, Mr. J., I've known Jews all my life in three different regions of the United States. They've been my friends, lovers, colleagues, neighbors, roommates, customers, doctors, professors and even matchmakers. Hardly any of them have seemed to care about their ethnicity or mine. Here in the Northeast it just seems to surface more, but for everybody, not just Jews. People seem more interested in the topic.

    I'm sorry I activated your fear of American goys becoming Nazis.


    I know that there are people here who feel that discrimination should be part of the right of free association of private businesses and institutions but I think the Holocaust lifted the scales from the eyes of American Jews. If you look at what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler did not come to power one day and the next day start building gas chambers – it was much more gradual that that, taking place over the space of almost a decade. Jew in Germany had their rights stripped away one by one and not all at once. So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that “polite” or “social” discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres. The fact that early America was remarkably free from prejudice against Jews (not that there were many Jews) but over time more and more things in America became closed to them in the 20th century certainly pointed in this direction.

     

    Really now?
    , @Mike Tre
    @Jack D

    Jews have been telling this same story for centuries.

    , @clifford brown
    @Jack D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaPBhxXhprg

    Did he try to sell you some Wagner?

  80. What makes this mural antisemitic? The pig soldier clearly is wearing an American flag so if anything that depiction is anti-American. The alleged orthodox Jew in a hat with an SS insignia does not look particularly Jewish. His suit is brown not black. His shirt is bright yellow, not white and he is wearing a tie which is not usually worn by the traditional orthodox Jews. That hat looks more like a bowler hat than the sort worn by the orthodox. Some commentators see sidelocks, but that seems like a stretch.

    I will agree it is an ugly painting, but seems to be the point.

  81. I wonder if it’s because unlike hospitals and country clubs, universities both have customers and employees mixed as one as students.

    Non-Jewish kids and graduate students would likely be put off by going to the “Jewish university” as their social and career prospects would take a hit. If all the professors and regents are Jews and you are a Baptist, you are going to assume there’s no long term career or research prospects.

    Jews are already a small minority so your main student base is Jews who are smart enough for college but somehow didn’t or couldn’t get into the fair number of prestigious goy schools.

    With hospitals patients don’t care what the culture or ethnic makeup of the staff and owners are so long as the care is good and doctors are the best. County Clubs are already an elite luxury and don’t need huge numbers and the staff can be illegal immigrants anyway.

  82. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Speaking of art, an LOL report from the international ‘art’ world: one man’s blackpill is another’s schadenfreude whitepill. Apparently this year’s “postcolonial global art” was too vibrant and tacky for very serious Germany, and German Jews, to handle:


    The World’s Most Prestigious Art Exhibition Is Over. Maybe Forever.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/arts/design/documenta-15.html
     

    KASSEL, Germany — It began with a calumny, it ends with a crack-up.

    Twice a decade, for exactly 100 days, the world of culture turns its eyes to this midsize German city for Documenta, a giant exhibition whose intellectual ambitions and hefty budgets have ensured its reputation as the world’s most prestigious show of contemporary art. This year’s edition got off to a dreadful start in June, when its most prominent artwork, an agitprop mural incorporating unmistakable antisemitic caricatures, had to be withdrawn amid national outcry. The 15th Documenta now comes to a close on Sunday — not before another controversy that has seen artists, scholars and politicians trade accusations of antisemitism and racism, harassment and incompetence.
     

    I doubt Documenta will command the respect and the pre-eminence it did before this year, though, and it’ll never recover its aim of imagining the whole world in one show. The dream of a global art world has died, and I fear a lot of people, reactionary and radical alike, prefer it that way. The incomprehension and anger this show has elicited are the proof they always wanted that we have no common future.
     
    Yow. I guess Europe going into a “multicultural mode” can have serious drawbacks for local “multicultural mode” promoters. Tough scene!

    More on Documenta 15 specific controversies:

    Furor Over Documenta Highlights a Widening Chasm in Germany

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/arts/design/documenta-antisemitism.html
     
    To censor art, or not to censor art: What is the least Nazi course of action?...

    German Cultural Leaders Warn Against Ban on Israel Sanctions Movement

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/arts/germany-bds-open-letter.html
     

    Replies: @Pixo, @Arclight, @clifford brown

    What makes this mural antisemitic? The pig soldier clearly is wearing an American flag so if anything that depiction is anti-American. The alleged orthodox Jew in a hat with an SS insignia does not look particularly Jewish. His suit is brown not black. His shirt is bright yellow, not white and he is wearing a tie which is not usually worn by the traditional orthodox Jews. That hat looks more like a bowler hat than the sort worn by the orthodox. Some commentators see sidelocks, but that seems like a stretch.

    I will agree it is an ugly painting, but that seems to be the point.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @clifford brown


    The alleged orthodox Jew in a hat with an SS insignia does not look particularly Jewish. His suit is brown not black. His shirt is bright yellow, not white and he is wearing a tie which is not usually worn by the traditional orthodox Jews. That hat looks more like a bowler hat than the sort worn by the orthodox. Some commentators see sidelocks, but that seems like a stretch.
     
    Caricatures of Jews as wealthy bowler-hatted banker capitalists smoking cigars (such as the Rothschilds) were not unusual, a hundred years ago or more. The standard caricature was never one of a hat-wearing Orthodox Jew.

    Replies: @clifford brown

  83. Why Did 1920s Jews Start Country Clubs and Hospitals But Not Colleges?

    They didn’t need to.

  84. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Anecdote is not the singular of data. Any Jew who makes a big deal about being excluded from a country club is definitely a jerk but I don't think this is actually a major preoccupation of Jews. I have heard more about Jews not getting into country clubs on Unz than I EVER heard in my real life.

    It sure as hell wasn't where I grew up, where there was exactly 1 golf course (made out of the last dairy farm in the area) and it was public. OTOH getting into college WAS a big deal for me and my circle of friends, Jewish and non-Jewish and I would have been REALLY (and I think rightly) pissed if I wasn't able to get into the college of my choice based on my religion rather than my qualifications. Fortunately, I missed that but only by a decade so this was not some sort of ancient history.

    The country club thing is a bad faith argument - no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    I know that there are people here who feel that discrimination should be part of the right of free association of private businesses and institutions but I think the Holocaust lifted the scales from the eyes of American Jews. If you look at what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler did not come to power one day and the next day start building gas chambers - it was much more gradual that that, taking place over the space of almost a decade. Jew in Germany had their rights stripped away one by one and not all at once. So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that "polite" or "social" discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres. The fact that early America was remarkably free from prejudice against Jews (not that there were many Jews) but over time more and more things in America became closed to them in the 20th century certainly pointed in this direction.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @BosTex, @Twinkie, @Colin Wright, @anonymous, @Twinkie, @Truth

    Anecdote is not the singular of data.

    Actually ……………… Yes, it is.

  85. I’m a degree or so removed from Rosenberg, but I don’t know him. I recall (full disclosure on his behalf, this was public knowledge at the time) that he got a full scholarship to Yeshiva University but opted to go to Harvard (spending, of course, a lot more money) instead. I didn’t have high hopes how he’d emerge politically and was proven right. (In fairness, he may have been along that way before he even entered.) I don’t know how, or even if, this affects his analysis here.

    Yeshiva is my alma mater; they did open a medical school in the 1950’s to counter anti-Jewish quotas still in effect in medical schools, and it became quite a good one. My pre-med classmates resented that it had gotten such a good reputation that it no longer gave any preferential admission to Yeshiva undergrads. The medical school has since become almost entirely independent.

    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, “Don’t you think we have enough of your kind here?” Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell. He went back to Yeshiva, where he got his doctorate in philosophy, was ordained a rabbi, and eventually joined the faculty.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Nachum


    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, “Don’t you think we have enough of your kind here?” Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell.
     
    Never happened. Millions of jews have told versions of this story to their children and grandchildren, not because it is true but because they think it'll help them hate the goyim. As if they need more help doing that. These stories are like the Sacred Scrolls to these people--repeated and embellished over and over--and they will fight to the death to support them. They've been repeated countless times in MSM propaganda so it's just another thing people "know" but isn't true.
    , @anon
    @Nachum


    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, “Don’t you think we have enough of your kind here?” Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell. He went back to Yeshiva, where he got his doctorate in philosophy, was ordained a rabbi, and eventually joined the faculty.
     
    Would Yeshiva allow its student body to become dominated by Christians or Muslims?

    There’s a lot of hypocrisy in this jewish whining. It borders on malicious.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @Nachum

  86. @Pixo
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Haha welcome to the new “diverse” caliphate of Eurabia, such a lovely and vibrant art scene!

    https://static.dw.com/image/62194259_507.jpg

    Also:

    https://zeepertje.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/muslim-pray-bukbidders-france.jpeg

    Au soleil, sous la pluie
    À midi ou à minuit
    Il y a tout ce que vous voulez
    Aux Champs-Élysées.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Paul Jolliffe, @Cauchemar du Singe

    Good target for strafing or a tactical nuke.

  87. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Just telling a story, not making an argument.
     
    I'll tell you a story -

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town,

    A drunk goy walked up to me and said to me, "You dirty Jew, I want you out of town by dark or Ima gonna kill you and your whole dirty Jew family."

    I'm not making any argument that all goyim are bad, mind you, I'm just telling you a story, OK?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @Mike Tre, @clifford brown

    And yet, Buzz’s story is probably true, and your story is almost certainly false.

  88. @Hodag
    What are the names of Jewish city clubs, like the Standard Club, Union League Club? I am not familiar.

    Replies: @Flip, @Giant Duck, @Cauchemar du Singe

    In Philthadelphia, the big jew club is The Century Club…not at all The Union League, WASP through and through.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Cauchemar du Singe

    Nowadays (and actually since the mid 1960s) the Union League has admitted Jews. Anti-semitism had its heyday in America in the 1920's and 30s when it was often associated with elite institutions - exclusivity and anti-Semitism were seen as being two sides of the same coin since E. European Jews were seen as boorish - see the mob boss in Gatsby. Naturally a high class WASPY person wouldn't want to have to rub elbows with smelly Jews. After WWII it lost respectability and came to be seen as low class rather than high class.

    The Jewish club was the Locust Club but they are out of business.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon, @The Germ Theory of Disease

  89. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Just telling a story, not making an argument.
     
    I'll tell you a story -

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town,

    A drunk goy walked up to me and said to me, "You dirty Jew, I want you out of town by dark or Ima gonna kill you and your whole dirty Jew family."

    I'm not making any argument that all goyim are bad, mind you, I'm just telling you a story, OK?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @Mike Tre, @clifford brown

    Are you serious? You’re not making this up just for the sake of argument?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bardon Kaldian

    My story is invented. For all I know, Buzz's is equally a product of his imagination. In any case, they are both "just stories" and not intended to imply any greater message, right?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  90. @PiltdownMan
    @Pixo

    Why does the Jewish caricature have the "SS" Schutzstaffel lightning bolt insignia on its bowler hat?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Cauchemar du Singe

    The Ukie AZOV scum have appropriated it, as well as the Swastika…in completely deranged, projectional fashion.

  91. OT-

    24 hours a go there were internet rumors of some sort of military coup against Xi in Beijing. This morning #chinacoup was trending on Twitter, but no media outlet has picked up the story. I have been listening to BBC World Service this afternoon and they are not touching the story.

    Was Xi deposed? If he was, it is amazing that a coup can happen in the second most powerful country in the world and the media collectively decides not to discuss it.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    @clifford brown


    Was Xi deposed?
     
    I followed this story with great interest.

    The coup hypothesis.

    President Xi left for Samarkhand on the 14th and abruptly left the place without attending the closing official banquet. He then flew to Shenyang where he was detained by the military and put under house arrest. He hasn't been seen publicly ever since. While he was away the plotters called a meeting of the standing committee of the Politbureau and stripped him of the Chairmanship of the Central Military Commission

    There are several lacunae in this story let's discuss the emboldened part. If this was an emergency why would he fly to Shenyang which is 800 Km from Beijing? It's scarcely credible that they could have arrested him in an airport without the news leaking out. Then the 2nd emboldened part there's no way to hide a secret meeting of the standing committee of the Politbureau and worse if you strip him of the chairmanship of the central military committee who is the new chairman? This has to be communicated publicly else China won't have a commander in chief of the military - it's incredible to think that they would go 10 days without a commander in chief.

    Occams Razor suggests that he is ill he has not been looking healthy in his numerous public appearances. There was a time couple of years back when he disappeared for 2 weeks and there were similar speculations. What's important is that he is missing at a crucial time when the 19th plenary session which I kid you not fixes the candidates for the 20th party congress. he would have never missed these meetings no way unless something happened to him. Definitely ill in my opinion.

    None of the Chinese dissidents who pushed this coup hypothesis have posted anything new it's all a case of wishful thinking because he is profoundly hated by a huge section of Chinese who just wish that he were gone because they feel he's taking the country back to its Maoist era from which they escaped with such great difficulty
  92. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Just telling a story, not making an argument.
     
    I'll tell you a story -

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town,

    A drunk goy walked up to me and said to me, "You dirty Jew, I want you out of town by dark or Ima gonna kill you and your whole dirty Jew family."

    I'm not making any argument that all goyim are bad, mind you, I'm just telling you a story, OK?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @Mike Tre, @clifford brown

    But did he draw a swastika on your face? You need a swastika for the full, anti-goy, fake anti-semitic hate crime effect.

    How come your imaginary goy is so much more threatening and violent-sounding than my actual, real-life Jew?

    How come there are so many fake anti-semitic hate crimes in our country but practically no fake anti-goy hate crimes? Who’s doing the exaggerating here, and who isn’t?

    In which direction does the hate really flow?

    Look, Mr. J., I’ve known Jews all my life in three different regions of the United States. They’ve been my friends, lovers, colleagues, neighbors, roommates, customers, doctors, professors and even matchmakers. Hardly any of them have seemed to care about their ethnicity or mine. Here in the Northeast it just seems to surface more, but for everybody, not just Jews. People seem more interested in the topic.

    I’m sorry I activated your fear of American goys becoming Nazis.

    I know that there are people here who feel that discrimination should be part of the right of free association of private businesses and institutions but I think the Holocaust lifted the scales from the eyes of American Jews. If you look at what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler did not come to power one day and the next day start building gas chambers – it was much more gradual that that, taking place over the space of almost a decade. Jew in Germany had their rights stripped away one by one and not all at once. So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that “polite” or “social” discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres. The fact that early America was remarkably free from prejudice against Jews (not that there were many Jews) but over time more and more things in America became closed to them in the 20th century certainly pointed in this direction.

    Really now?

  93. @Jack D
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    US News was asking for this because they tried to do the rankings on the cheap, based on self-reporting. They are too small to have the resource to do original research so instead they would send each college admission office a questionnaire to fill out. There was no one at US News even spot checking the questionnaires while the colleges had a big incentive to lie. Columbia wouldn't have gotten caught except for its own math professor who sniffed around and snitched on his own college.

    The other reason that Columbia got caught is that when you license lying like that, there are some people/institutions who take it too far. It's like cheating on taxes - a lot of people cheat a little bit on their taxes but if you claim that you have 47 dependents then the IRS might decide to sniff around.

    Columbia got greedy - yes it was always an Ivy but it was one of the lower Ivies. Then they started coming up and up every year like some Ponzi scheme ready to burst. They made it all the way to #2! Columbia is an OK school but #2 in America? Ahead of MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, etc. - NFW! Something smelled rotten.

    OTOH, demoting them to #18 is clearly just punishment. With all due respect to Steve, Rice is not better than Columbia (to the extent that you can rank order colleges at all, which is a separate question). Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Wash U are fine schools but again putting Columbia behind them is out of order.

    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get:


    School Average SAT Score
    California Institute of Technology 1555
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1545
    University of Chicago 1535
    Harvey Mudd College 1530
    Yale University 1520
    Harvard University 1520
    Washington University in St Louis 1520
    Duke University 1520
    Vanderbilt University 1520
    Johns Hopkins University 1515
    Columbia University in the City of New York 1515
    University of Pennsylvania 1515
    Rice University 1515
    Princeton University 1510
    Carnegie Mellon 1510

    Mudd is an outlier. The variation in ranking of the rest (US News rank vs SAT rank) can be explained either by certain schools being "undervalued" in regard to better known schools with equal or better SAT scores (e.g. #15 Rice vs. #7 Penn) or else the Asian overflow factor (lots of 1600 SAT Asians can no longer get into MIT so they go to Carnegie Mellon and raise its SAT average or else the woke factor - Princeton is #1 in US News rankings and can "afford" to take a lot of low SAT blacks without hurting their rank.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Matt Buckalew, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @JimB, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonymous

    Don’t know if it’s still the case, but for many years the college with the highest paid graduates, or nearly so, was the Colorado School of Mines. Also right up there was/is the very small Webb Institute of Naval Architecture.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @prosa123

    Another one is very small, and only offers two-year, Deep Springs in the Sierra Mountains. It free-of-cost and arguably as selective as HYP

    https://www.quora.com/Is-Deep-Springs-College-as-unparalleled-as-the-media-reported

  94. When I was a kid I did summer work (gardening, kitchen stuff) at a couple of local country clubs, one of them Jewish and the other one WASP. The joke at both was that the WASPS loved golf and cocktails, while the Jews loved food and lolling by the pool.

    At Princeton in the early ‘70s I was friendly with a lot of brainy Jewish kids. They were VERY aware that ten years earlier they’d never have been admitted to the school. Princeton was still pretty Southern in its general vibe in those years, come to think of it.

    Nicholas Lemann’s “The Big Test” is worth a read. I’m not generally a Lemann fan but I learned a lot about “the meritocracy” from this book.

  95. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Anecdote is not the singular of data. Any Jew who makes a big deal about being excluded from a country club is definitely a jerk but I don't think this is actually a major preoccupation of Jews. I have heard more about Jews not getting into country clubs on Unz than I EVER heard in my real life.

    It sure as hell wasn't where I grew up, where there was exactly 1 golf course (made out of the last dairy farm in the area) and it was public. OTOH getting into college WAS a big deal for me and my circle of friends, Jewish and non-Jewish and I would have been REALLY (and I think rightly) pissed if I wasn't able to get into the college of my choice based on my religion rather than my qualifications. Fortunately, I missed that but only by a decade so this was not some sort of ancient history.

    The country club thing is a bad faith argument - no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    I know that there are people here who feel that discrimination should be part of the right of free association of private businesses and institutions but I think the Holocaust lifted the scales from the eyes of American Jews. If you look at what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler did not come to power one day and the next day start building gas chambers - it was much more gradual that that, taking place over the space of almost a decade. Jew in Germany had their rights stripped away one by one and not all at once. So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that "polite" or "social" discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres. The fact that early America was remarkably free from prejudice against Jews (not that there were many Jews) but over time more and more things in America became closed to them in the 20th century certainly pointed in this direction.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @BosTex, @Twinkie, @Colin Wright, @anonymous, @Twinkie, @Truth

    Any commentary that starts out with blaming “The Jews” I always skip by.

    I “get” that Jews are part of our traitorous elite, but so are gentiles.

    I have known quite a few Jews in my life and what strikes me is their variability, like many other European ethnic groups.

    • Agree: loveshumanity
  96. @Redneck farmer
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Thomas Sowell spent a lot of time and ink showing how inaccurate USN&WR college rankings are.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I wouldn’t say its irredeemable, it become self-reenforcing as the higher ranked a school it is allowed to be more selective.

    Math professors can be very ivory tower idealistic. But prof Thaddeus probably would get frisky about analyzing correlation of SAT scores with IQ and race.

  97. @Jack D
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    US News was asking for this because they tried to do the rankings on the cheap, based on self-reporting. They are too small to have the resource to do original research so instead they would send each college admission office a questionnaire to fill out. There was no one at US News even spot checking the questionnaires while the colleges had a big incentive to lie. Columbia wouldn't have gotten caught except for its own math professor who sniffed around and snitched on his own college.

    The other reason that Columbia got caught is that when you license lying like that, there are some people/institutions who take it too far. It's like cheating on taxes - a lot of people cheat a little bit on their taxes but if you claim that you have 47 dependents then the IRS might decide to sniff around.

    Columbia got greedy - yes it was always an Ivy but it was one of the lower Ivies. Then they started coming up and up every year like some Ponzi scheme ready to burst. They made it all the way to #2! Columbia is an OK school but #2 in America? Ahead of MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, etc. - NFW! Something smelled rotten.

    OTOH, demoting them to #18 is clearly just punishment. With all due respect to Steve, Rice is not better than Columbia (to the extent that you can rank order colleges at all, which is a separate question). Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Wash U are fine schools but again putting Columbia behind them is out of order.

    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get:


    School Average SAT Score
    California Institute of Technology 1555
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1545
    University of Chicago 1535
    Harvey Mudd College 1530
    Yale University 1520
    Harvard University 1520
    Washington University in St Louis 1520
    Duke University 1520
    Vanderbilt University 1520
    Johns Hopkins University 1515
    Columbia University in the City of New York 1515
    University of Pennsylvania 1515
    Rice University 1515
    Princeton University 1510
    Carnegie Mellon 1510

    Mudd is an outlier. The variation in ranking of the rest (US News rank vs SAT rank) can be explained either by certain schools being "undervalued" in regard to better known schools with equal or better SAT scores (e.g. #15 Rice vs. #7 Penn) or else the Asian overflow factor (lots of 1600 SAT Asians can no longer get into MIT so they go to Carnegie Mellon and raise its SAT average or else the woke factor - Princeton is #1 in US News rankings and can "afford" to take a lot of low SAT blacks without hurting their rank.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Matt Buckalew, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @JimB, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonymous

    What’s the average SAT score at your alma mater-Villanova?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Matt Buckalew

    I never attended Villanova. The campus is close to where I live and sometimes I walk around it. There are big crosses all over the place - it's very Catholic. I don't think I would have been comfortable going there and in any case I attended Ivy League schools.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Matt Buckalew

  98. @Joe Stalin
    A gun for morons in the People's Republic of New Jersey?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn08yZAC2V0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNAkJ1nnjEI

    Replies: @Rob McX, @BosTex

    “This smart gun technology means a police officer can’t get shot with their own weapon…”

    I can see how that would be a problem these days.

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Rob McX

    On the plus side, for this plus-sized girl, is that if she is shot, it's not likely to make much difference. She might not even notice. Just go right on eating.

  99. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Just telling a story, not making an argument.
     
    I'll tell you a story -

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town,

    A drunk goy walked up to me and said to me, "You dirty Jew, I want you out of town by dark or Ima gonna kill you and your whole dirty Jew family."

    I'm not making any argument that all goyim are bad, mind you, I'm just telling you a story, OK?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @Mike Tre, @clifford brown

    Jews have been telling this same story for centuries.

  100. @Jack D
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    US News was asking for this because they tried to do the rankings on the cheap, based on self-reporting. They are too small to have the resource to do original research so instead they would send each college admission office a questionnaire to fill out. There was no one at US News even spot checking the questionnaires while the colleges had a big incentive to lie. Columbia wouldn't have gotten caught except for its own math professor who sniffed around and snitched on his own college.

    The other reason that Columbia got caught is that when you license lying like that, there are some people/institutions who take it too far. It's like cheating on taxes - a lot of people cheat a little bit on their taxes but if you claim that you have 47 dependents then the IRS might decide to sniff around.

    Columbia got greedy - yes it was always an Ivy but it was one of the lower Ivies. Then they started coming up and up every year like some Ponzi scheme ready to burst. They made it all the way to #2! Columbia is an OK school but #2 in America? Ahead of MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, etc. - NFW! Something smelled rotten.

    OTOH, demoting them to #18 is clearly just punishment. With all due respect to Steve, Rice is not better than Columbia (to the extent that you can rank order colleges at all, which is a separate question). Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Wash U are fine schools but again putting Columbia behind them is out of order.

    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get:


    School Average SAT Score
    California Institute of Technology 1555
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1545
    University of Chicago 1535
    Harvey Mudd College 1530
    Yale University 1520
    Harvard University 1520
    Washington University in St Louis 1520
    Duke University 1520
    Vanderbilt University 1520
    Johns Hopkins University 1515
    Columbia University in the City of New York 1515
    University of Pennsylvania 1515
    Rice University 1515
    Princeton University 1510
    Carnegie Mellon 1510

    Mudd is an outlier. The variation in ranking of the rest (US News rank vs SAT rank) can be explained either by certain schools being "undervalued" in regard to better known schools with equal or better SAT scores (e.g. #15 Rice vs. #7 Penn) or else the Asian overflow factor (lots of 1600 SAT Asians can no longer get into MIT so they go to Carnegie Mellon and raise its SAT average or else the woke factor - Princeton is #1 in US News rankings and can "afford" to take a lot of low SAT blacks without hurting their rank.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Matt Buckalew, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @JimB, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonymous

    Mostly agree, that’s why snitches get stitches. The full analysis is here. US News actually no longer exists in print,

    https://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/ranking/investigation.html

    – US News is undergrad selectivity focused*. Columbia’s freshmen undergrad class I’m sure is quite high. Only they dilute this can having a lot of transfers and masters students

    *So the big state schools tend to be lower in US News, not so in Shanghai rankings which emphasizes grad research output (https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2022)

    – The fact that they have a lot part-time adjunct faculty isn’t a negative, since they are typically coming from nearby financial institutions.

    – Their endowment, a strong indicator of prestige, is only behind HYP and Penn in the Ivies,

    http://www.math.columbia.edu/~thaddeus/endowment.html

    Rankings do serve a utility as does correlate with the ability to get through a selectivity filter.

    Problem is Chinese have a long history of obsessing over minutiae of rankings and thus missed out the industrial revolution

    Zhuangyuan (狀元, lit. “top thesis author”), the jinshi who ranked first overall nationwide.
    Bangyan (榜眼, lit. “eyes positioned alongside”), the jinshi who ranked second overall just below zhuangyuan.
    Tanhua (探花, lit. “flower snatcher”), the jinshi ranked third overall.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination#Degree_types

  101. @prosa123
    @Jack D

    Don't know if it's still the case, but for many years the college with the highest paid graduates, or nearly so, was the Colorado School of Mines. Also right up there was/is the very small Webb Institute of Naval Architecture.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Another one is very small, and only offers two-year, Deep Springs in the Sierra Mountains. It free-of-cost and arguably as selective as HYP

    https://www.quora.com/Is-Deep-Springs-College-as-unparalleled-as-the-media-reported

  102. @Buzz Mohawk
    The following is a retelling of something I think I once mentioned here:

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town, when Ken Burns walked up to me...

    No wait. Wrong town.

    A drunk Jew* walked up to me and asked where I was from. Instead of going into biographical details about the Ooold West and both coasts, I just told him the town we had moved from, which is just the next one over.

    He responded, "Oh, [that town]!" They wouldn't let me into their club!" He did not say this in a nice way.

    There is a club on the shore there with a little beach and a nice golf course. Golf addicts like Jack Welch of GE fame have been members...

    My response was, "I'm from out west."

    His then was, "What does that mean?"

    "It means I don't know what you're talking about," though I did.

    So here in the 21st century, on the East Coast -- where in my observation ethnic sensitivities run stronger than in the middle part of the country -- here was a Jewish guy, drunk at the polling place, making an issue of where I was from and how, supposedly, he was kept out of a local club.

    *Those do exist.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @BB753, @Anon

    There’s a sequence in Curb Your Enthusiasmwhere Larry David is trying to say all the right things to get into a country club. He even says he’s a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens. I’m not sure if this is a deliberate parody, making fun of people’s misconceptions about country clubs. In a real-life interview nowadays, I’m pretty sure mentioning the Council of Conservative Citizens wouldn’t help.

    • Replies: @clifford brown
    @Rob McX

    I'm pretty sure Curb Your Enthusiasm is a comedy. Imagine if LA country clubs were actually like this.

  103. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D

    Are you serious? You're not making this up just for the sake of argument?

    Replies: @Jack D

    My story is invented. For all I know, Buzz’s is equally a product of his imagination. In any case, they are both “just stories” and not intended to imply any greater message, right?

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    It happened about three or four years ago.

    I was by then familiar with Steve Sailer's "Golfocaust," and that's why I found it both funny and noteworthy that a drunk mentioned his own, personal Golfocaust in order to slur the town I had lived in.

    Before reading Sailer, I did not know about the Golfocaust, but thanks to him I was intellectually prepared to understand this very important part of American history and thus be empathetic to my interlocutor's feelings about the subject.

    This is why I found the experience worth mentioning here.

    Replies: @Jack D

  104. @Scottie Lundegaard
    OT: A story from my town, Winnipeg, which seems sort of iStevie: mayoral candidate says violence against aboriginal women is most often perpetrated by aboriginal men. Don"t know if hes right, but its sure kicking up a dustcloud around here!

    (Sorry for the lack of apostrophes. My keyboard has problems).

    Winnipeg mayoral candidate Don Woodstock blames Indigenous men for violence against Indigenous women

    I meant to put a link to one of the many news stories you can google today, Im old, half drunk, my crude-at-best internet skills have failed me, you can google it yourself. (The pictures kind of tell a story).

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘OT: A story from my town, Winnipeg, which seems sort of iStevie: mayoral candidate says violence against aboriginal women is most often perpetrated by aboriginal men. Don”t know if hes right, but its sure kicking up a dustcloud around here!

    (Sorry for the lack of apostrophes. My keyboard has problems).

    Winnipeg mayoral candidate Don Woodstock blames Indigenous men for violence against Indigenous women…’

    It’s kind of alarming that we’re rapidly reaching the point where public figures can’t even say the most obvious truths.

  105. @Cauchemar du Singe
    @Hodag

    In Philthadelphia, the big jew club is The Century Club...not at all The Union League, WASP through and through.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Nowadays (and actually since the mid 1960s) the Union League has admitted Jews. Anti-semitism had its heyday in America in the 1920’s and 30s when it was often associated with elite institutions – exclusivity and anti-Semitism were seen as being two sides of the same coin since E. European Jews were seen as boorish – see the mob boss in Gatsby. Naturally a high class WASPY person wouldn’t want to have to rub elbows with smelly Jews. After WWII it lost respectability and came to be seen as low class rather than high class.

    The Jewish club was the Locust Club but they are out of business.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    Naturally a high class WASPY person wouldn’t want to have to rub elbows with smelly Jews. After WWII it lost respectability and came to be seen as low class rather than high class.
     
    You state the above with much assurance, but I’m not sure a Jew who grew up on a hardscrabble New Jersey chicken farm is the best spokesperson for “high class WASPY persons”.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Anon
    @Jack D


    exclusivity and anti-Semitism were seen as being two sides of the same coin since E. European Jews were seen as boorish – see the mob boss in Gatsby. Naturally a high class WASPY person wouldn’t want to have to rub elbows with smelly Jews.
     
    It isn’t so much that jews were seen as boorish or “smelly.” It’s that they were jews, i.e. an endogenous competitor group that itself uses exclusivist tactics. What you see as anti-Semitism was in fact self-defense—against this exclusivist, endogamous group that calls itself “jews.”
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    "The Jewish club was the Locust Club"

    Well at least for once they were honest about something.

  106. @usNthem
    For all their country clubs, they didn’t produce too many top notch professional golfers. Maybe because back in the day, all the Jewish mothers wanted their sons to be doctas or lawyas…

    Replies: @Larry, San Francisco, @Anonymous

    Yep. A friend of mine’s older brother was a 2 handicapper at the age of 16. Definitely could have gotten on the tour. Instead his pathway was to follow his dad into medicine. He is now a leading oncology researcher so that choice did work out for him.

    • Replies: @ex-banker
    @Larry, San Francisco

    There aren't too many 2 handicap 16 year olds who end up as top 100 college players, let alone make it on tour. Hell, there aren't many +2 handicap 16 year olds who make it on tour.

  107. @Jack D
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    US News was asking for this because they tried to do the rankings on the cheap, based on self-reporting. They are too small to have the resource to do original research so instead they would send each college admission office a questionnaire to fill out. There was no one at US News even spot checking the questionnaires while the colleges had a big incentive to lie. Columbia wouldn't have gotten caught except for its own math professor who sniffed around and snitched on his own college.

    The other reason that Columbia got caught is that when you license lying like that, there are some people/institutions who take it too far. It's like cheating on taxes - a lot of people cheat a little bit on their taxes but if you claim that you have 47 dependents then the IRS might decide to sniff around.

    Columbia got greedy - yes it was always an Ivy but it was one of the lower Ivies. Then they started coming up and up every year like some Ponzi scheme ready to burst. They made it all the way to #2! Columbia is an OK school but #2 in America? Ahead of MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, etc. - NFW! Something smelled rotten.

    OTOH, demoting them to #18 is clearly just punishment. With all due respect to Steve, Rice is not better than Columbia (to the extent that you can rank order colleges at all, which is a separate question). Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Wash U are fine schools but again putting Columbia behind them is out of order.

    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get:


    School Average SAT Score
    California Institute of Technology 1555
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1545
    University of Chicago 1535
    Harvey Mudd College 1530
    Yale University 1520
    Harvard University 1520
    Washington University in St Louis 1520
    Duke University 1520
    Vanderbilt University 1520
    Johns Hopkins University 1515
    Columbia University in the City of New York 1515
    University of Pennsylvania 1515
    Rice University 1515
    Princeton University 1510
    Carnegie Mellon 1510

    Mudd is an outlier. The variation in ranking of the rest (US News rank vs SAT rank) can be explained either by certain schools being "undervalued" in regard to better known schools with equal or better SAT scores (e.g. #15 Rice vs. #7 Penn) or else the Asian overflow factor (lots of 1600 SAT Asians can no longer get into MIT so they go to Carnegie Mellon and raise its SAT average or else the woke factor - Princeton is #1 in US News rankings and can "afford" to take a lot of low SAT blacks without hurting their rank.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Matt Buckalew, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @JimB, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonymous

    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get.

    SAT scores are a measure of student quality, not school quality. Nobel counting would probably be a better measure of school quality.

    Then the revised ranking is,

    1. Princeton
    2. Stanford
    3. University of Chicago
    4. Columbia
    5. MIT
    6. Berkeley
    7. Howard Hughes Medical Inst.
    8. Harvard
    9. UC Santa Barbara
    10. Technion Israel Inst. of Technology

    And there you have it.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @JimB

    Nobel counting by university is hard to do, because the research that Nobelists earn the prize for may have been done at one or more universities. What most such rankings count is the number of faculty at each university who have Nobels, even if their prize winning work was done elsewhere, or at more than one institution.

    Here's a somewhat better list(perhaps) that counts Nobels since the year 2000 by university "affiliation", i.e. current and former faculty, or researchers who did their work at that university and moved on, and so on. Usefully, the table includes a column for science prize totals.

    Any way you look at it, Harvard is remarkable, and the table reveals, for instance, that a couple of the Ivies, Dartmouth and Brown, are nowhere near the others.

    https://i.imgur.com/0UDodeZ.jpg

    Replies: @Polistra, @Muggles

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @JimB

    You could use all the big awards (Fields, Millennium, Clay, Abel, Lasker, Wolf, Turing, Dirac, ...) & you'll see that most top awards people did not attend Ivy schools (and a big chunk of them- not even American universities).

    And I doubt they're very useful in teaching.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @JimB

    It depends why you are asking about the ranking. If you're trying to decide where to send your kid, SAT score ranking is best, because the experience of university is of being surrounded by other students. It's not just classrooms but dorms, cafeterias, etc. Other than SAT score, the only other thing I would pay attention to is "wokeness". I don't know how to measure that, but doing some reading could clue you in. Pick the school with high SATs that is least likely to land your kid in a controversy.

    Replies: @JimB

  108. @clifford brown
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/W5AX2BQI3QI63AFWIPZL7TDGMI.jpg


    What makes this mural antisemitic? The pig soldier clearly is wearing an American flag so if anything that depiction is anti-American. The alleged orthodox Jew in a hat with an SS insignia does not look particularly Jewish. His suit is brown not black. His shirt is bright yellow, not white and he is wearing a tie which is not usually worn by the traditional orthodox Jews. That hat looks more like a bowler hat than the sort worn by the orthodox. Some commentators see sidelocks, but that seems like a stretch.

    I will agree it is an ugly painting, but that seems to be the point.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    The alleged orthodox Jew in a hat with an SS insignia does not look particularly Jewish. His suit is brown not black. His shirt is bright yellow, not white and he is wearing a tie which is not usually worn by the traditional orthodox Jews. That hat looks more like a bowler hat than the sort worn by the orthodox. Some commentators see sidelocks, but that seems like a stretch.

    Caricatures of Jews as wealthy bowler-hatted banker capitalists smoking cigars (such as the Rothschilds) were not unusual, a hundred years ago or more. The standard caricature was never one of a hat-wearing Orthodox Jew.

    • Replies: @clifford brown
    @PiltdownMan

    Some of the commentary implied the image was specifically a stereotype of an orthodox Jew. I agree it does not look like that to me.

    So how do we know the guy in the hat is Jewish? Because he is smoking a cigar? The SS insignia would imply otherwise, but who knows.

  109. @J.Ross
    @PiltdownMan

    Because it's not Jewish in any way.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    J. Ross, see my reply to Clifford Brown. Thanks.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @PiltdownMan

    >hundreds of years ago
    So you agree.

  110. @Anon
    My middling ranked west coast Yacht Club has been ruined by the admission of a Jewish couple who had been black balled for 3 years but finally got in via suspected blackmail on the blackballing members. This single inappropriate couple has rui

    Replies: @CharleszMartel, @Anon

    Please finish this. I’d really like to hear the end and what happened.

    I’m not joking.

    Thanks!

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @CharleszMartel

    Please finish this. I’d really like to hear the end and what happened.

    Regrettably, Anon319 is no longer in a position to finish the anecdote. That Jewish couple plays for keeps.

    Replies: @additionalMike

  111. Ivy League freshman classes tend to be approximately 50% minority (including Asians), 25% Jewish, and 25% white. If Jews had started their own colleges, whites would still have been able to attend Ivy League schools, and Jews couldn’t allow that. Have to keep the whites down.

  112. @Jack D
    @Bardon Kaldian

    My story is invented. For all I know, Buzz's is equally a product of his imagination. In any case, they are both "just stories" and not intended to imply any greater message, right?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    It happened about three or four years ago.

    I was by then familiar with Steve Sailer’s “Golfocaust,” and that’s why I found it both funny and noteworthy that a drunk mentioned his own, personal Golfocaust in order to slur the town I had lived in.

    Before reading Sailer, I did not know about the Golfocaust, but thanks to him I was intellectually prepared to understand this very important part of American history and thus be empathetic to my interlocutor’s feelings about the subject.

    This is why I found the experience worth mentioning here.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is why I found the experience worth mentioning here.
     
    So the story DOES have a greater meaning - the Golfocaust is real!

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  113. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Just telling a story, not making an argument.
     
    I'll tell you a story -

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town,

    A drunk goy walked up to me and said to me, "You dirty Jew, I want you out of town by dark or Ima gonna kill you and your whole dirty Jew family."

    I'm not making any argument that all goyim are bad, mind you, I'm just telling you a story, OK?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Buzz Mohawk, @Mike Tre, @clifford brown

    Did he try to sell you some Wagner?

  114. @Rob McX
    @Buzz Mohawk

    There's a sequence in Curb Your Enthusiasmwhere Larry David is trying to say all the right things to get into a country club. He even says he's a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens. I'm not sure if this is a deliberate parody, making fun of people's misconceptions about country clubs. In a real-life interview nowadays, I'm pretty sure mentioning the Council of Conservative Citizens wouldn't help.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Ht_nsQ7Hs

    Replies: @clifford brown

    I’m pretty sure Curb Your Enthusiasm is a comedy. Imagine if LA country clubs were actually like this.

  115. @PiltdownMan
    @clifford brown


    The alleged orthodox Jew in a hat with an SS insignia does not look particularly Jewish. His suit is brown not black. His shirt is bright yellow, not white and he is wearing a tie which is not usually worn by the traditional orthodox Jews. That hat looks more like a bowler hat than the sort worn by the orthodox. Some commentators see sidelocks, but that seems like a stretch.
     
    Caricatures of Jews as wealthy bowler-hatted banker capitalists smoking cigars (such as the Rothschilds) were not unusual, a hundred years ago or more. The standard caricature was never one of a hat-wearing Orthodox Jew.

    Replies: @clifford brown

    Some of the commentary implied the image was specifically a stereotype of an orthodox Jew. I agree it does not look like that to me.

    So how do we know the guy in the hat is Jewish? Because he is smoking a cigar? The SS insignia would imply otherwise, but who knows.

  116. @PiltdownMan

    On the other hand, the development of national standardized testing like the SAT and ACT tended to come a number of years later and be part of the push to mobilize talent that helped lead to the end of the quotas on Jews.
     
    Mr. Sailer some years ago, on Kaplan SAT Test Prep, started by a Jewish guy to perhaps counteract that push, though, admittedly, his classes weren't limited to Jewish kids:

    Did Senator Schumer Really Get a Perfect 1600 SAT Score?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/did-senator-schumer-really-get-perfect/
     

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    The relevant thing about Schumer and his high SAT, is not any particular score, but simply giving yourself absolute clarity that

    the people who run America are not stupid, they are evil.

    Schumer is perfectly capable of understanding what’s going on, the destruction it is generating and what it portends for the future. He simply has different interests and loyalties. Schumer is simply not loyal the historic American nation and finds it congenial to see it destroyed.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Where'd another important point, too, which was revealed when he pointd out that the IC had multiple ways to get Trump if he crossed them--he's afraid. He may be evil, too, but I think he is afraid of the Deep State as well.

    Replies: @scrivener3

  117. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Because Jews can’t do “the long march through the institutions” if they aren’t in the institutions.

    To be clear, this is the answer. You can state it more politely saying the goal was "status" or "access", rather than education.


    For the Catholics--the comparable--there was the desire to get lots of their people educated. But also to build/maintain leaders who had a specifically Catholic religious sensibility. Some Anglo-Protestant institutions were closed to them But even if a Catholic family sends their son off to some traditional Anglo-Protestant college or even a BSU land-grant... will they still be functionally Catholic?

    For the Jews, they are going to be Jewish pretty no matter what. And education wasn't the issue.
    Jews were fairly concentrated and they could have easily built a few universities to handle Jews' education. But what the Jews desired was not being in some Jewish university, but access to elite gentile society ... and the opportunity to remake it as they wished.


    With the country clubs, the Jews had--and still do--their own exclusive clubs for their own socializing, matching and mating. But they still manage to whine about gentile clubs. Most of this is a complete fairy-tale and desire to whine. But to the extent there is anything to it, it boils down again to access to elite gentile society.

    Our stuff is our stuff and ... their stuff is our stuff.

    Replies: @loveshumanity, @James B. Shearer

    But what the Jews desired was not being in some Jewish university, but access to elite gentile society … and the opportunity to remake it as they wished.

    Just like any other immigrant group. They are successful because they are the smartest group. That’s pretty much it.

  118. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    It happened about three or four years ago.

    I was by then familiar with Steve Sailer's "Golfocaust," and that's why I found it both funny and noteworthy that a drunk mentioned his own, personal Golfocaust in order to slur the town I had lived in.

    Before reading Sailer, I did not know about the Golfocaust, but thanks to him I was intellectually prepared to understand this very important part of American history and thus be empathetic to my interlocutor's feelings about the subject.

    This is why I found the experience worth mentioning here.

    Replies: @Jack D

    This is why I found the experience worth mentioning here.

    So the story DOES have a greater meaning – the Golfocaust is real!

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    Yes! I met a Golfocaust survivor!

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    So the story DOES have a greater meaning – the Golfocaust is real!
     
    Yes it is! Essential Golfocaust reading:

    The Jew and the Club [see excerpts below]

    "I find it rather difficult to make it clear to my children why we are not eligible, for from one point of view it isn't quite clear to me."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1924/10/the-jew-and-the-club/306258/

    The Jews in America

    The Atlantic looks back at a time when country clubs were restricted, names were Anglicized, and Jews were struggling to find their place in American society.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/09/the-jews-in-america/306273/

    Bonus:

    Yes, the Cover of Golf Digest Is Tacky, Gross, and Exclusionary. But So Is Golf.

    It's actually perfect that Golf Digest's cover image of sexy, non-golfer Paulina Gretzky has irritated people for being sexist and exclusionary. Nothing provides a better digest of golf than exclusion, annoyance, cultural damage, and self-absorption.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/yes-the-cover-of-golf-digest-is-tacky-gross-and-exclusionary-but-so-is-golf/360199/

    The Jew and the Club excerpts:


    II.

    My neighbor Mr. C and I are intimate friends, our families see much of each other. Occasionally, we dine at each other's houses and we and our wives sometimes go to the theatre together. He is a man of much greater means than I am, is most hospitable, and entertains very freely. I know many of his friends, associate with a number of them, and in a general way may be said to belong to his circle. In summer I see much less of him than at other times of the year and our intimacy suffers a certain check, the reason of this being golf.  My neighbor is not a great golfer and I am not a helpless cripple. Probably Mr. C would be willing to play with me, but I am not a member of his golf club and I cannot become one, for I am of Jewish origin and Mr. C is of New England stock. There are some public links in the suburb where I live, but the people with whom I associate are all members of the X Country Club to which, as indicated, I am not eligible. I am not snobbish but golf would interest me only as a means of social intercourse and so I do not go to the municipal golf club where the players are of an entirely different social group from the one to which I belong. This sounds as if I were laying undue stress upon social life or perhaps society.
     
    “I don’t even like clubs! But I want you to accommodate my needling presence” :

    As a matter of fact, I am not much of a clubman; I have no special desire to go to clubs frequently, and I rarely attend the meetings of those societies to which I do belong.
     
    “Also, I cannot take a hint” :

    But the fact that I and members of my family cannot belong to certain organizations which form the social centre of the community prevents us in large measure from forming those intimate and congenial friendships which most, if not all, men crave.

    My neighbor Mr. C would not go off to his club with his friends, leaving me to find my own amusement, but naturally would include me in his various activities as he does his other friends and acquaintances. We should all be on the same level, and there would not be the same wall of caste between us, and between his children and my children. When the Alumni Club of my old University meets, I should feel free to meet with it and keep up my old associations. I do not do so now, for the meeting-place is the University Club, to which I am ineligible. As I have naturally some pride, I decline to attend the meetings of an organization held in a place where I am not welcome.
     
    “Think of us as Gentiles! ‘Fellow whites’, if you will” :

    The fact is always emphasized that so many Jews have qualities which are undesirable and disagreeable, that even if there be a Jew who is personally agreeable, he cannot be admitted because he would immediately bring others. This has always seemed to me a lame argument.  Clubs discriminate between Gentile and Gentile.  No membership committee feels bound to admit all Presbyterians because some members of the club attend the services of the Presbyterian Church, nor to admit all people with dark hair and short noses because a majority of the members in the club have dark hair and short noses.  A Jew should not be admitted to a club because he is a Jew any more than he should be excluded because he is a Jew.
     
    “Let us into the Ivy League! We won’t hostile to the stock of the Puritans, we swear” :

    The Jewish controversy at Harvard is well known. It was at least open and above board, though it made the lot of Harvard men of Jewish extraction more difficult. However, at Harvard the question was settled in such fashion that the Jew is not discriminated against officially, at any rate. At many other universities, however, the same problem has appeared and open discussion has been carefully avoided for fear of giving offense to possible donors with Jewish antecedents.  It is well known, however, that Jewish boys and girls have much difficulty in gaining admission to these institutions, and conditions similar to those in Romania, Poland, and various Balkan states have developed.
     
    Shekel opportunities diminished: Our Mr. X would be a problem at social clubs where business networking is prohibited:

    Least of all is it realized that discrimination of this kind is gaining marked headway in business life. It is natural that the men whose social life is spent together should also desire to be associated together in business. They know each other from all angles; they are congenial, for otherwise they would not be together outside of business; and when favorable business opportunities arise their thoughts quite naturally turn to each other.
     
    “Make nice, or we will get even more unpleasantly Jew-y!” :

    Personally, my associations have been largely non-Jewish.  Nevertheless, I feel, in my own case, much more than I used to, a desire to emphasize my Jewish nationality, and I feel that I am becoming more sensitive to slights, real or imagined. My children will probably, under the circumstances, feel all this more keenly than I do and are likely to associate much more exclusively than I do with people of Jewish origin. The result will be to accentuate any Jewish traits which they may have inherited and by that very fact to set them off more sharply from others.
     

    If I had a son, I have often thought that I should advise him to leave this country and go elsewhere, say to some southern country where, while he might suffer political disability, he would probably not suffer any social disability, and as I have sought to indicate, the latter is really at times more galling than the former. [e.a.]
     
    The Golfocaust is real. Don’t be a Golfocaust denier, Jack D. The social status pique American Jews feel is real. You’re as mad and presumptuous as Mr. X, but with some personal protective aspergery traits that insulate you from mockery (at least on this forum).

    This is not to say all Jews are as conflicted as you. E.g., commenter kaganovich, perhaps more secure in his (Orthodox?) identity, has not seen it necessary to dishonestly fret about who is and isn’t American founding stock, for example.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anonymous

  119. @Jack D
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    US News was asking for this because they tried to do the rankings on the cheap, based on self-reporting. They are too small to have the resource to do original research so instead they would send each college admission office a questionnaire to fill out. There was no one at US News even spot checking the questionnaires while the colleges had a big incentive to lie. Columbia wouldn't have gotten caught except for its own math professor who sniffed around and snitched on his own college.

    The other reason that Columbia got caught is that when you license lying like that, there are some people/institutions who take it too far. It's like cheating on taxes - a lot of people cheat a little bit on their taxes but if you claim that you have 47 dependents then the IRS might decide to sniff around.

    Columbia got greedy - yes it was always an Ivy but it was one of the lower Ivies. Then they started coming up and up every year like some Ponzi scheme ready to burst. They made it all the way to #2! Columbia is an OK school but #2 in America? Ahead of MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, etc. - NFW! Something smelled rotten.

    OTOH, demoting them to #18 is clearly just punishment. With all due respect to Steve, Rice is not better than Columbia (to the extent that you can rank order colleges at all, which is a separate question). Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Wash U are fine schools but again putting Columbia behind them is out of order.

    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get:


    School Average SAT Score
    California Institute of Technology 1555
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1545
    University of Chicago 1535
    Harvey Mudd College 1530
    Yale University 1520
    Harvard University 1520
    Washington University in St Louis 1520
    Duke University 1520
    Vanderbilt University 1520
    Johns Hopkins University 1515
    Columbia University in the City of New York 1515
    University of Pennsylvania 1515
    Rice University 1515
    Princeton University 1510
    Carnegie Mellon 1510

    Mudd is an outlier. The variation in ranking of the rest (US News rank vs SAT rank) can be explained either by certain schools being "undervalued" in regard to better known schools with equal or better SAT scores (e.g. #15 Rice vs. #7 Penn) or else the Asian overflow factor (lots of 1600 SAT Asians can no longer get into MIT so they go to Carnegie Mellon and raise its SAT average or else the woke factor - Princeton is #1 in US News rankings and can "afford" to take a lot of low SAT blacks without hurting their rank.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Matt Buckalew, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @JimB, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonymous

    Yale University 1520
    Harvard University 1520

    Harvard beats Yale, 1520-1520

    • LOL: HammerJack
  120. All Kennedy’s since old man Joe went to Harvard. No Boston College or Holy Cross for them. Yet the daughters all go to Manhatanville College.

    William F Buckley was a Yalie.

    Kennedys and Buckley all went to Protestant prep/boarding schools.

    Patrick J Buchanan went to Gonzaga High in DC and then to Georgetown which was a natural progression as Gonzaga was a prep school for Georgetown. Did PJB consider going to any other school such as an Ivy?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @p s c

    Buchanan got his Master's in Journalism at Columbia.

    The only Catholic school attended by JFK was lay run, liberal, and in New England, in Connecticut I think. I'm not sure whether it was elementary or secondary.

    Caroline went to Columbia and/or Columbia Law.

    Replies: @Flip

    , @Houston 1992
    @p s c

    PJB attended and graduated Columbia School of Journalism on academic scholarship

    , @ScarletNumber
    @p s c


    All Kennedy’s since old man Joe went to Harvard
     
    LOL JFK Jr went to Brown and his nephew Jack Schlossberg went to Yale, although the latter was graduated from HLS and HBS.
  121. @JimB
    @Jack D


    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get.
     
    SAT scores are a measure of student quality, not school quality. Nobel counting would probably be a better measure of school quality.

    Then the revised ranking is,

    1. Princeton
    2. Stanford
    3. University of Chicago
    4. Columbia
    5. MIT
    6. Berkeley
    7. Howard Hughes Medical Inst.
    8. Harvard
    9. UC Santa Barbara
    10. Technion Israel Inst. of Technology

    And there you have it.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Bardon Kaldian, @Chrisnonymous

    Nobel counting by university is hard to do, because the research that Nobelists earn the prize for may have been done at one or more universities. What most such rankings count is the number of faculty at each university who have Nobels, even if their prize winning work was done elsewhere, or at more than one institution.

    Here’s a somewhat better list(perhaps) that counts Nobels since the year 2000 by university “affiliation”, i.e. current and former faculty, or researchers who did their work at that university and moved on, and so on. Usefully, the table includes a column for science prize totals.

    Any way you look at it, Harvard is remarkable, and the table reveals, for instance, that a couple of the Ivies, Dartmouth and Brown, are nowhere near the others.

    • Agree: JimB
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @PiltdownMan


    the table reveals, for instance, that a couple of the Ivies, Dartmouth and Brown, are nowhere near the others
     
    The table you posted does not adjust for size of the school nor does it account for the fact that some 0f the colleges (the two you mentioned, for example) focus much more on undergraduate education than on graduate research.
    , @Muggles
    @PiltdownMan

    It would be far more revealing to list these places by # of Nobel Laureates who teach at least one undergraduate class or section per semester.

    Then the same for grad classes.

    Any place with a nice enough environment and willingness to pay for say, an expensive nuclear accelerator (or is easily affiliated with the US govt. science establishment, like say, UC Berkeley) can get a quota of Nobel holders.

    Now if they did this for the fake Nobels now handed out for "literature" and poets, you'd have a different list. Mainly heavily feminist and/or commie places where such creatures get cushy sinecures and rarely talk to actual students. Well, maybe for seduction...

  122. @JimB
    @Jack D


    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get.
     
    SAT scores are a measure of student quality, not school quality. Nobel counting would probably be a better measure of school quality.

    Then the revised ranking is,

    1. Princeton
    2. Stanford
    3. University of Chicago
    4. Columbia
    5. MIT
    6. Berkeley
    7. Howard Hughes Medical Inst.
    8. Harvard
    9. UC Santa Barbara
    10. Technion Israel Inst. of Technology

    And there you have it.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Bardon Kaldian, @Chrisnonymous

    You could use all the big awards (Fields, Millennium, Clay, Abel, Lasker, Wolf, Turing, Dirac, …) & you’ll see that most top awards people did not attend Ivy schools (and a big chunk of them- not even American universities).

    And I doubt they’re very useful in teaching.

  123. @conatus
    In fact, if we take an IQ of 145 as a cutoff for genius and assume that Jews were around 3.4% of the White US population in 1950, there were nearly 4 times more non-Jewish White geniuses in the US than Jewish geniuses. If we use 130 as a benchmark for at least vastly easing the path to upward mobility, there were over 6 times more non-Jewish Whites in this category than Jews. And there would have been a much greater disparity in England where Jews were less than 1% of the population.

    Europeans certainly do not need Jews to develop or maintain their civilization.The successful erection of the culture of critique is much more about ethnic networking and dominating key points in the cultural food chain — especially elite academic institutions and the media — than it is about IQ.

    For example, even correcting for IQ, Jews are massively overrepresented at Ivy League universities compared to Whites. In 1998, Jews represented around 25–33% of Harvard undergraduates compared to around 25% non-Jewish Whites. In 2000 the Jewish population was around 3% of the non-Hispanic White population. On the basis of IQ, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or 4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio was at most 1 to 1. But even this may underestimate the gap because it’s hard to believe that all Harvard students have at least an IQ of 130. Could it be that that Jared Kushner’s route to Harvard is not at all unusual for Jews these days?

    Replies: @Tony Lawless, @Polistra, @JimDandy, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Dutch Boy

    “It’s striking that Jews created many of their own country clubs and hospitals, but only a couple of their own colleges (Brandeis and Yeshiva). Why did Jews put so much effort into getting into Harvard and Yale rather than founding more of their own colleges?”

    Genuine question: If the IQ of Jews is so high, why aren’t the reputations of Brandeis and Yeshiva by now higher than the reputations of Harvard and Yale?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Tony Lawless

    Brandeis might be close in academic quality just as Illinois and Wisconsin are. Yeshiva is Orthodox and might not have the same access to money or emphasis on other than religious scholarship.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  124. Let’s be frank: admitting all their merits, Ivies are more about status, social connections, elitism & snobbery.

    Dubya & Trump & Kushner graduated from the Ivies & they’re all suited better for Podunk.

    • Thanks: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bardon Kaldian


    admitting all their merits, Ivies are more about status, social connections, elitism & snobbery.
     
    Your first clause contradicts your second one.
    , @Anon
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Dubya & Trump & Kushner graduated from the Ivies & they’re all suited better for Podunk.
     
    Because they were admitted, a more deserving Jew was denied entrance.
  125. @Buzz Mohawk
    The following is a retelling of something I think I once mentioned here:

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town, when Ken Burns walked up to me...

    No wait. Wrong town.

    A drunk Jew* walked up to me and asked where I was from. Instead of going into biographical details about the Ooold West and both coasts, I just told him the town we had moved from, which is just the next one over.

    He responded, "Oh, [that town]!" They wouldn't let me into their club!" He did not say this in a nice way.

    There is a club on the shore there with a little beach and a nice golf course. Golf addicts like Jack Welch of GE fame have been members...

    My response was, "I'm from out west."

    His then was, "What does that mean?"

    "It means I don't know what you're talking about," though I did.

    So here in the 21st century, on the East Coast -- where in my observation ethnic sensitivities run stronger than in the middle part of the country -- here was a Jewish guy, drunk at the polling place, making an issue of where I was from and how, supposedly, he was kept out of a local club.

    *Those do exist.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @BB753, @Anon

    He responded, “Oh, [that town]!” They wouldn’t let me into their club!” He did not say this in a nice way.

    Missed opportunity to let him vent in detail—lead him with friendly faux concern:

    “Oh really… they wouldn’t? 🙁 Why not?”

    You could’ve come away with a novel-worthy monologue from your new acquaintance!

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Oh really… they wouldn’t? 🙁 Why not?”

    They shaid I drink too much , the bashtards. Can you believe it?

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  126. @Bardon Kaldian
    One of the weaknesses of this approach is that it puts too much weight on snobbery & elitism.

    I don't have any stats, but from what I've read, ethnic Jews (or at least people with a partial Jewish ancestry) are over-represented in many universities & institutions that produced truly worthy works in various areas. Much of it is not in the Ivies, but also in Chicago, Wisconsin, Colorado, NYC, California, .... in areas as diverse as physics, mathematics, biomedical sciences, religion, philosophy, psychology, political theory, linguistics, historiography, literary theory,...

    I'd say that among the best works & books in the US, published on various topics in the past 30-40 years, perhaps 20-40% are authored by American Jews or American people of some Jewish ancestry. Asians- not even close. Maybe 70% are by other whites, both natives & European (and white Latino - Juan Maldacena) immigrants to the US (some influence has been malign, especially by French post-modernists).

    Of course, I don't know about lawyers & think- tanks & journalists, but south and east Asians have not contributed commensurately even to the fields of their own history and culture.

    So...no, everything is not in the Ivy percentages.

    Btw:

    Spanglish:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7HuP_abpKU

    Runglish:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bGOOXdWgm4

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘I’d say that among the best works & books in the US, published on various topics in the past 30-40 years, perhaps 20-40% are authored by American Jews or American people of some Jewish ancestry. Asians- not even close. Maybe 70% are by other whites, both natives & European (and white Latino – Juan Maldacena) immigrants to the US (some influence has been malign, especially by French post-modernists).’

    To some extent, this is going to be an illusion generated by the tendency of Jews to tout the work of other Jews. I’ve run into this twice with book reviews, and learned to be wary. If a book written by a Jew is highly praised, it could be good — or it could be written by a Jew.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Colin Wright

    I don't care about this stuff, and I don't even know about it.

    I've read books galore on various topics & Jews were over-represented in many fields. For instance- I know it's old- the best book about classical mechanics is Goldstein's; on electrodynamics is Jackson's (not a Jew); about quantum field theory Itzykson & Zuber and Peskin & Schroeder (I'd say most of them are Jews). I won't bother with mathematics where you have plenty of Jews, along with, of course, the majority of white Gentiles.

    Off the top of my head, one of the best scholar books about afterlife in the West is authored by Alan Segal; the standard mammoth Dostoevsky's bio is Joseph Frank's (along Mochulsky's); the chief translators from Russian and German are very frequently Jews (even in the case of Spanish- Edith Grossman); in my opinion, the greatest linguist is Roman Jakobson of Jewish heritage ....

    The same with dismal science.

    Of course that Gentile scholars dominate the field of the humanities (Peter Brown, Ioan Culianu, Eliade, D.G. White ....), but there are a bunch of Jews or people of significant Jewish heritage in most areas.

    There certainly exists some kind of Jewish nepotism, but those scientists & scholars who are the real deal don't need any kind of ethnic mafia.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Anonymous

  127. @Jack D
    @Cauchemar du Singe

    Nowadays (and actually since the mid 1960s) the Union League has admitted Jews. Anti-semitism had its heyday in America in the 1920's and 30s when it was often associated with elite institutions - exclusivity and anti-Semitism were seen as being two sides of the same coin since E. European Jews were seen as boorish - see the mob boss in Gatsby. Naturally a high class WASPY person wouldn't want to have to rub elbows with smelly Jews. After WWII it lost respectability and came to be seen as low class rather than high class.

    The Jewish club was the Locust Club but they are out of business.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Naturally a high class WASPY person wouldn’t want to have to rub elbows with smelly Jews. After WWII it lost respectability and came to be seen as low class rather than high class.

    You state the above with much assurance, but I’m not sure a Jew who grew up on a hardscrabble New Jersey chicken farm is the best spokesperson for “high class WASPY persons”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I am certainly not a high class WASPY person and I honestly don't think I ever even met one until my freshman year at college.

    However, since then I have rubbed elbow with these folks pretty much continuously (and I've been off the farm for a lot longer than I was ever on the farm). I honestly don't think that most of them (at least the ones under age 80) are big on anti-Semitism any more and it's not just because they won't say it out loud. Look at revealed preference - they socialize with Jews, they partner with Jews in their banks and law firms and other businesses, their kids marry Jews, etc. This was not generally true in prior generations but it is now. Maybe there are a few died in the wool high class WASP anti-Semites left but for the most they are gone with the wind (or else they do a real good job of hiding it).

  128. @conatus
    In fact, if we take an IQ of 145 as a cutoff for genius and assume that Jews were around 3.4% of the White US population in 1950, there were nearly 4 times more non-Jewish White geniuses in the US than Jewish geniuses. If we use 130 as a benchmark for at least vastly easing the path to upward mobility, there were over 6 times more non-Jewish Whites in this category than Jews. And there would have been a much greater disparity in England where Jews were less than 1% of the population.

    Europeans certainly do not need Jews to develop or maintain their civilization.The successful erection of the culture of critique is much more about ethnic networking and dominating key points in the cultural food chain — especially elite academic institutions and the media — than it is about IQ.

    For example, even correcting for IQ, Jews are massively overrepresented at Ivy League universities compared to Whites. In 1998, Jews represented around 25–33% of Harvard undergraduates compared to around 25% non-Jewish Whites. In 2000 the Jewish population was around 3% of the non-Hispanic White population. On the basis of IQ, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or 4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio was at most 1 to 1. But even this may underestimate the gap because it’s hard to believe that all Harvard students have at least an IQ of 130. Could it be that that Jared Kushner’s route to Harvard is not at all unusual for Jews these days?

    Replies: @Tony Lawless, @Polistra, @JimDandy, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Dutch Boy

    Speaking of…

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Polistra

    I can think of something worse than a second Biden term - Trump again with Kushner pulling the strings.

  129. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is why I found the experience worth mentioning here.
     
    So the story DOES have a greater meaning - the Golfocaust is real!

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Yes! I met a Golfocaust survivor!

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  130. It’s striking that Jews created many of their own country clubs and hospitals, but only a couple of their own colleges (Brandeis and Yeshiva).

    Were the hospitals the jews created, created to treat jews exclusively? Why did they do that?

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Anonymous


    Were the hospitals the jews created, created to treat jews exclusively?
     
    That reminds me of the old joke about which hospital to go to for major surgery.

    a. Cook County General -- no, unless you'll die immediately otherwise

    b. St. Peter's Hospital -- well maybe, if you know the doctor and he went to a good med school.

    c. All Union Methodist -- okay, probably pretty good

    d. Beth Israel -- Yes! But expect no discounts...
    , @Yngvar
    @Anonymous


    Were the hospitals the jews created, created to treat jews exclusively.
     
    No, I suppose it was for practical reasons. Having a rabbi on call, religious observance, dietary requirements and so on, is easier to ensure when Jews run the place.

    Replies: @Anon

  131. @Abe
    @ic1000


    I hope that doesn’t undermine the Atlantic‘s other visionary positions, e.g. on women’s sports and on the need for eternal war with Russia.
     
    Yesterday my wife was repeating the latest Bluecheck talking point about Putin kidnapping people off the street to send to Eastern Ukraine and stuff its plebiscite vote in favor of breaking away and joining Russia. Any temptation to point out this is exactly what Pelosi, Schumer et al are trying to do to Texas, Florida, to turn them blue etc was overridden by my need at the moment for a sandwich.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Polistra

    Imagine how much wreckage has resulted from modern man’s inability to make his own sandwiches! 400 years!

  132. @PiltdownMan
    @JimB

    Nobel counting by university is hard to do, because the research that Nobelists earn the prize for may have been done at one or more universities. What most such rankings count is the number of faculty at each university who have Nobels, even if their prize winning work was done elsewhere, or at more than one institution.

    Here's a somewhat better list(perhaps) that counts Nobels since the year 2000 by university "affiliation", i.e. current and former faculty, or researchers who did their work at that university and moved on, and so on. Usefully, the table includes a column for science prize totals.

    Any way you look at it, Harvard is remarkable, and the table reveals, for instance, that a couple of the Ivies, Dartmouth and Brown, are nowhere near the others.

    https://i.imgur.com/0UDodeZ.jpg

    Replies: @Polistra, @Muggles

    the table reveals, for instance, that a couple of the Ivies, Dartmouth and Brown, are nowhere near the others

    The table you posted does not adjust for size of the school nor does it account for the fact that some 0f the colleges (the two you mentioned, for example) focus much more on undergraduate education than on graduate research.

  133. @Anon
    Jewish scholarship and learning, before 1940, was almost entirely European. The amount of Jews in the US before the great wave of Ashkenazis from Russia in the late 1800s was tiny. There were barely any Jews who could have contributed anything. The first wave of Ashkenazis were peasants with almost zero education. Those Ashkenazis who did want learning were almost invariably were pushed by their families into religious leaning and became rabbis.

    Ashkenazis did not have a tradition of secular college-level education and learning until they came to the West and picked it up from us. They were the pupils and we were the teachers. They could not have established colleges because they didn't have enough educated members of their society to do it until the mid-20th century, and by then, nearly all the colleges were established, so why bother?

    An important last point. Jews like to say they value learning, but they value making a buck even more. For a long time their family members were pushed into business instead of the education because education paid poorly. College professors (and administrators) didn't start to get decent salaries until the 1980s. Before then, education was something you did for the love it.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    College professors (and administrators) didn’t start to get decent salaries until the 1980s. Before then, education was something you did for the love it.

    See? Letting the chosenites take over higher education wasn’t such a bad thing after all! Oh wait.

  134. I’m going to suggest you’re neglecting certain factors.

    1. Religious denominations have been vigorous in founding schools. Ethnic associations have not been.

    2. The Catholic Church in particular possessed prior to 1962 a missionary bent and it had a low cost workforce in sisters, brothers, and regular clergy in order to staff the schools. The motor for this activity was sufficient absent any ‘exclusion’ or ‘discrimination’. (It did help, however that private institutions commonly retained elements of protestant culture as late as 1965 – e.g. mandatory chapel).

    3. The Jewish population did not have much of a denominational architecture and its synagogues were not missionary institutions. As ethnic segments go, Jews have long been the most irreligious .

    4. I count 28 Jewish hospitals from one end of the country to the other, though I suppose there were many others (as well as nursing homes) which have since closed. If I’m not mistaken, hospitals had a much stronger charitable aspect in 1920 than they do today, so elements of mutual aid may have motivated their foundation. Another motor may have been to provide residency training for Jewish medical school graduates, a more focused object than what colleges and universities supply.

    5. The Ivy League, then as now, was a small segment of American higher education. There were in 1920 an ample supply of berths in public institutions. These may have sufficed given a deficit of specifically religious motivation in the Jewish population of the day.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Art Deco


    4. I count 28 Jewish hospitals from one end of the country to the other, though I suppose there were many others (as well as nursing homes) which have since closed.
     
    Please define “Jewish hospital.” Do these institutions cater exclusively to Jews?

    Replies: @BosTex

  135. @Mike Tre
    Any further evidence required to conclude that these people are the world longest running grievance machine?

    I’m surprised they haven’t demanded reparations from Egypt yet.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I’m surprised they haven’t demanded reparations from Egypt yet.

    As the resident theologian here, I have to point out that they already got reparations from Egypt, and did so by Divine command.

    Exodus 12:33-36

    And the Egyptians pressed the people to go forth out of the land speedily, saying: We shall all die. The people therefore took dough before it was leavened; and tying it in their cloaks, put it on their shoulders.

    And the children of Israel did as Moses had commanded: and they asked of the Egyptians vessels of silver and gold, and very much raiment. And the Lord gave favour to the people in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them: and they stripped the Egyptians.

    Now, before a whole lot of blasphemous ink is spilled in response to this comment, it must be remembered that the Old Testament Hebrews are not the same people as today’s Rabbinical Jews, neither ethnically nor theologically, and that this incident, like every other incident recorded of this people, was meant to illustrate God’s will and providence within history.

    The “Spoiling of Egypt” has prompted casuists to mull for centuries whether God sometimes permits people to steal, and cynics to suggest that the Hebrews were just putting a divine fig leaf over their own tawdry activities. The truth of the matter is that nothing was stolen. In justice, the Egyptians owed the Hebrews for all the uncompensated forced labor they had wrung out of them during the years of their bondage, so God permitted them to take possession of Egyptian goods by a mediated change of ownership.

    The point here is to demonstrate that God, as the creator of all matter and all beings, is the ultimate owner and the disposer of all property, and He may transfer ownership from one man to another in an act of restorative justice without violating His goodness. We human beings only own things fee simple, whereas it is God alone Who holds alloidial title to the universe.

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Intelligent Dasein

    So "Generational trauma has consequences that demand a radical project repair...".
    Sounds like Steve owes Rick Perlstein 10 bucks and an apology.

    , @Muggles
    @Intelligent Dasein


    The point here is to demonstrate that God, as the creator of all matter and all beings, is the ultimate owner and the disposer of all property, and He may transfer ownership from one man to another in an act of restorative justice without violating His goodness.
     
    So you're saying that "God told me to steal your BMW" is theologically sound?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Anon
    @Intelligent Dasein


    it must be remembered that the Old Testament Hebrews are not the same people as today’s Rabbinical Jews, neither ethnically nor theologically
     
    So much for the Jews’ claim to Palestine.

    In justice, the Egyptians owed the Hebrews for all the uncompensated forced labor they had wrung out of them during the years of their bondage
     
    Not even close. The Egyptians provided the Hebrews with the most important things in life: food, shelter, security, the opportunity to procreate. It is the Hebrews who owe the Egyptians.
  136. @conatus
    In fact, if we take an IQ of 145 as a cutoff for genius and assume that Jews were around 3.4% of the White US population in 1950, there were nearly 4 times more non-Jewish White geniuses in the US than Jewish geniuses. If we use 130 as a benchmark for at least vastly easing the path to upward mobility, there were over 6 times more non-Jewish Whites in this category than Jews. And there would have been a much greater disparity in England where Jews were less than 1% of the population.

    Europeans certainly do not need Jews to develop or maintain their civilization.The successful erection of the culture of critique is much more about ethnic networking and dominating key points in the cultural food chain — especially elite academic institutions and the media — than it is about IQ.

    For example, even correcting for IQ, Jews are massively overrepresented at Ivy League universities compared to Whites. In 1998, Jews represented around 25–33% of Harvard undergraduates compared to around 25% non-Jewish Whites. In 2000 the Jewish population was around 3% of the non-Hispanic White population. On the basis of IQ, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or 4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio was at most 1 to 1. But even this may underestimate the gap because it’s hard to believe that all Harvard students have at least an IQ of 130. Could it be that that Jared Kushner’s route to Harvard is not at all unusual for Jews these days?

    Replies: @Tony Lawless, @Polistra, @JimDandy, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Dutch Boy

    Thanks. There’s a great article called “The Myth Of Meritocracy” by a guy named Unz.

  137. @Nachum
    I'm a degree or so removed from Rosenberg, but I don't know him. I recall (full disclosure on his behalf, this was public knowledge at the time) that he got a full scholarship to Yeshiva University but opted to go to Harvard (spending, of course, a lot more money) instead. I didn't have high hopes how he'd emerge politically and was proven right. (In fairness, he may have been along that way before he even entered.) I don't know how, or even if, this affects his analysis here.

    Yeshiva is my alma mater; they did open a medical school in the 1950's to counter anti-Jewish quotas still in effect in medical schools, and it became quite a good one. My pre-med classmates resented that it had gotten such a good reputation that it no longer gave any preferential admission to Yeshiva undergrads. The medical school has since become almost entirely independent.

    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, "Don't you think we have enough of your kind here?" Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell. He went back to Yeshiva, where he got his doctorate in philosophy, was ordained a rabbi, and eventually joined the faculty.

    Replies: @Polistra, @anon

    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, “Don’t you think we have enough of your kind here?” Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell.

    Never happened. Millions of jews have told versions of this story to their children and grandchildren, not because it is true but because they think it’ll help them hate the goyim. As if they need more help doing that. These stories are like the Sacred Scrolls to these people–repeated and embellished over and over–and they will fight to the death to support them. They’ve been repeated countless times in MSM propaganda so it’s just another thing people “know” but isn’t true.

    • Agree: Daniel H, HammerJack
  138. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is why I found the experience worth mentioning here.
     
    So the story DOES have a greater meaning - the Golfocaust is real!

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So the story DOES have a greater meaning – the Golfocaust is real!

    Yes it is! Essential Golfocaust reading:

    The Jew and the Club [see excerpts below]

    “I find it rather difficult to make it clear to my children why we are not eligible, for from one point of view it isn’t quite clear to me.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1924/10/the-jew-and-the-club/306258/

    The Jews in America

    The Atlantic looks back at a time when country clubs were restricted, names were Anglicized, and Jews were struggling to find their place in American society.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/09/the-jews-in-america/306273/

    Bonus:

    Yes, the Cover of Golf Digest Is Tacky, Gross, and Exclusionary. But So Is Golf.

    It’s actually perfect that Golf Digest’s cover image of sexy, non-golfer Paulina Gretzky has irritated people for being sexist and exclusionary. Nothing provides a better digest of golf than exclusion, annoyance, cultural damage, and self-absorption.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/yes-the-cover-of-golf-digest-is-tacky-gross-and-exclusionary-but-so-is-golf/360199/

    The Jew and the Club excerpts:

    [MORE]

    II.

    My neighbor Mr. C and I are intimate friends, our families see much of each other. Occasionally, we dine at each other’s houses and we and our wives sometimes go to the theatre together. He is a man of much greater means than I am, is most hospitable, and entertains very freely. I know many of his friends, associate with a number of them, and in a general way may be said to belong to his circle. In summer I see much less of him than at other times of the year and our intimacy suffers a certain check, the reason of this being golf.  My neighbor is not a great golfer and I am not a helpless cripple. Probably Mr. C would be willing to play with me, but I am not a member of his golf club and I cannot become one, for I am of Jewish origin and Mr. C is of New England stock. There are some public links in the suburb where I live, but the people with whom I associate are all members of the X Country Club to which, as indicated, I am not eligible. I am not snobbish but golf would interest me only as a means of social intercourse and so I do not go to the municipal golf club where the players are of an entirely different social group from the one to which I belong. This sounds as if I were laying undue stress upon social life or perhaps society.

    “I don’t even like clubs! But I want you to accommodate my needling presence” :

    As a matter of fact, I am not much of a clubman; I have no special desire to go to clubs frequently, and I rarely attend the meetings of those societies to which I do belong.

    “Also, I cannot take a hint” :

    But the fact that I and members of my family cannot belong to certain organizations which form the social centre of the community prevents us in large measure from forming those intimate and congenial friendships which most, if not all, men crave.

    My neighbor Mr. C would not go off to his club with his friends, leaving me to find my own amusement, but naturally would include me in his various activities as he does his other friends and acquaintances. We should all be on the same level, and there would not be the same wall of caste between us, and between his children and my children. When the Alumni Club of my old University meets, I should feel free to meet with it and keep up my old associations. I do not do so now, for the meeting-place is the University Club, to which I am ineligible. As I have naturally some pride, I decline to attend the meetings of an organization held in a place where I am not welcome.

    “Think of us as Gentiles! ‘Fellow whites’, if you will” :

    The fact is always emphasized that so many Jews have qualities which are undesirable and disagreeable, that even if there be a Jew who is personally agreeable, he cannot be admitted because he would immediately bring others. This has always seemed to me a lame argument.  Clubs discriminate between Gentile and Gentile.  No membership committee feels bound to admit all Presbyterians because some members of the club attend the services of the Presbyterian Church, nor to admit all people with dark hair and short noses because a majority of the members in the club have dark hair and short noses.  A Jew should not be admitted to a club because he is a Jew any more than he should be excluded because he is a Jew.

    “Let us into the Ivy League! We won’t hostile to the stock of the Puritans, we swear” :

    The Jewish controversy at Harvard is well known. It was at least open and above board, though it made the lot of Harvard men of Jewish extraction more difficult. However, at Harvard the question was settled in such fashion that the Jew is not discriminated against officially, at any rate. At many other universities, however, the same problem has appeared and open discussion has been carefully avoided for fear of giving offense to possible donors with Jewish antecedents.  It is well known, however, that Jewish boys and girls have much difficulty in gaining admission to these institutions, and conditions similar to those in Romania, Poland, and various Balkan states have developed.

    Shekel opportunities diminished: Our Mr. X would be a problem at social clubs where business networking is prohibited:

    Least of all is it realized that discrimination of this kind is gaining marked headway in business life. It is natural that the men whose social life is spent together should also desire to be associated together in business. They know each other from all angles; they are congenial, for otherwise they would not be together outside of business; and when favorable business opportunities arise their thoughts quite naturally turn to each other.

    “Make nice, or we will get even more unpleasantly Jew-y!” :

    Personally, my associations have been largely non-Jewish.  Nevertheless, I feel, in my own case, much more than I used to, a desire to emphasize my Jewish nationality, and I feel that I am becoming more sensitive to slights, real or imagined. My children will probably, under the circumstances, feel all this more keenly than I do and are likely to associate much more exclusively than I do with people of Jewish origin. The result will be to accentuate any Jewish traits which they may have inherited and by that very fact to set them off more sharply from others.

    If I had a son, I have often thought that I should advise him to leave this country and go elsewhere, say to some southern country where, while he might suffer political disability, he would probably not suffer any social disability, and as I have sought to indicate, the latter is really at times more galling than the former. [e.a.]

    The Golfocaust is real. Don’t be a Golfocaust denier, Jack D. The social status pique American Jews feel is real. You’re as mad and presumptuous as Mr. X, but with some personal protective aspergery traits that insulate you from mockery (at least on this forum).

    This is not to say all Jews are as conflicted as you. E.g., commenter kaganovich, perhaps more secure in his (Orthodox?) identity, has not seen it necessary to dishonestly fret about who is and isn’t American founding stock, for example.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    the lot of Harvard men of Jewish extraction more difficult. However, at Harvard the question was settled in such fashion that the Jew is not discriminated against officially, at any rate.
     
    Jews at Harvard (for a short time) were over-represented by a factor of five rather than the customary ten. It was like another holocaust! Before the other holocaust I mean. Whatever happened to privilege?

    I feel that I am becoming more sensitive to slights, real or imagined.
     
    You don't say. Imagined, especially. Imagine some more and you'll have a Hollywood script ready. What's that? It's been done already? Several hundred times? Not to worry, we always have room for one more. We're just, how you say, inclusive like that.
    , @Anonymous
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Paranoid people always assume others are conspiring against them.

    "Why would you want to keep us out, if not to plot against us?"

  139. @Rob McX
    @Joe Stalin

    "This smart gun technology means a police officer can't get shot with their own weapon..."

    I can see how that would be a problem these days.

    https://i.pinimg.com/564x/59/f5/81/59f581b6d013c1807dcda3958a554208.jpg

    Replies: @Polistra

    On the plus side, for this plus-sized girl, is that if she is shot, it’s not likely to make much difference. She might not even notice. Just go right on eating.

  140. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    So the story DOES have a greater meaning – the Golfocaust is real!
     
    Yes it is! Essential Golfocaust reading:

    The Jew and the Club [see excerpts below]

    "I find it rather difficult to make it clear to my children why we are not eligible, for from one point of view it isn't quite clear to me."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1924/10/the-jew-and-the-club/306258/

    The Jews in America

    The Atlantic looks back at a time when country clubs were restricted, names were Anglicized, and Jews were struggling to find their place in American society.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/09/the-jews-in-america/306273/

    Bonus:

    Yes, the Cover of Golf Digest Is Tacky, Gross, and Exclusionary. But So Is Golf.

    It's actually perfect that Golf Digest's cover image of sexy, non-golfer Paulina Gretzky has irritated people for being sexist and exclusionary. Nothing provides a better digest of golf than exclusion, annoyance, cultural damage, and self-absorption.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/yes-the-cover-of-golf-digest-is-tacky-gross-and-exclusionary-but-so-is-golf/360199/

    The Jew and the Club excerpts:


    II.

    My neighbor Mr. C and I are intimate friends, our families see much of each other. Occasionally, we dine at each other's houses and we and our wives sometimes go to the theatre together. He is a man of much greater means than I am, is most hospitable, and entertains very freely. I know many of his friends, associate with a number of them, and in a general way may be said to belong to his circle. In summer I see much less of him than at other times of the year and our intimacy suffers a certain check, the reason of this being golf.  My neighbor is not a great golfer and I am not a helpless cripple. Probably Mr. C would be willing to play with me, but I am not a member of his golf club and I cannot become one, for I am of Jewish origin and Mr. C is of New England stock. There are some public links in the suburb where I live, but the people with whom I associate are all members of the X Country Club to which, as indicated, I am not eligible. I am not snobbish but golf would interest me only as a means of social intercourse and so I do not go to the municipal golf club where the players are of an entirely different social group from the one to which I belong. This sounds as if I were laying undue stress upon social life or perhaps society.
     
    “I don’t even like clubs! But I want you to accommodate my needling presence” :

    As a matter of fact, I am not much of a clubman; I have no special desire to go to clubs frequently, and I rarely attend the meetings of those societies to which I do belong.
     
    “Also, I cannot take a hint” :

    But the fact that I and members of my family cannot belong to certain organizations which form the social centre of the community prevents us in large measure from forming those intimate and congenial friendships which most, if not all, men crave.

    My neighbor Mr. C would not go off to his club with his friends, leaving me to find my own amusement, but naturally would include me in his various activities as he does his other friends and acquaintances. We should all be on the same level, and there would not be the same wall of caste between us, and between his children and my children. When the Alumni Club of my old University meets, I should feel free to meet with it and keep up my old associations. I do not do so now, for the meeting-place is the University Club, to which I am ineligible. As I have naturally some pride, I decline to attend the meetings of an organization held in a place where I am not welcome.
     
    “Think of us as Gentiles! ‘Fellow whites’, if you will” :

    The fact is always emphasized that so many Jews have qualities which are undesirable and disagreeable, that even if there be a Jew who is personally agreeable, he cannot be admitted because he would immediately bring others. This has always seemed to me a lame argument.  Clubs discriminate between Gentile and Gentile.  No membership committee feels bound to admit all Presbyterians because some members of the club attend the services of the Presbyterian Church, nor to admit all people with dark hair and short noses because a majority of the members in the club have dark hair and short noses.  A Jew should not be admitted to a club because he is a Jew any more than he should be excluded because he is a Jew.
     
    “Let us into the Ivy League! We won’t hostile to the stock of the Puritans, we swear” :

    The Jewish controversy at Harvard is well known. It was at least open and above board, though it made the lot of Harvard men of Jewish extraction more difficult. However, at Harvard the question was settled in such fashion that the Jew is not discriminated against officially, at any rate. At many other universities, however, the same problem has appeared and open discussion has been carefully avoided for fear of giving offense to possible donors with Jewish antecedents.  It is well known, however, that Jewish boys and girls have much difficulty in gaining admission to these institutions, and conditions similar to those in Romania, Poland, and various Balkan states have developed.
     
    Shekel opportunities diminished: Our Mr. X would be a problem at social clubs where business networking is prohibited:

    Least of all is it realized that discrimination of this kind is gaining marked headway in business life. It is natural that the men whose social life is spent together should also desire to be associated together in business. They know each other from all angles; they are congenial, for otherwise they would not be together outside of business; and when favorable business opportunities arise their thoughts quite naturally turn to each other.
     
    “Make nice, or we will get even more unpleasantly Jew-y!” :

    Personally, my associations have been largely non-Jewish.  Nevertheless, I feel, in my own case, much more than I used to, a desire to emphasize my Jewish nationality, and I feel that I am becoming more sensitive to slights, real or imagined. My children will probably, under the circumstances, feel all this more keenly than I do and are likely to associate much more exclusively than I do with people of Jewish origin. The result will be to accentuate any Jewish traits which they may have inherited and by that very fact to set them off more sharply from others.
     

    If I had a son, I have often thought that I should advise him to leave this country and go elsewhere, say to some southern country where, while he might suffer political disability, he would probably not suffer any social disability, and as I have sought to indicate, the latter is really at times more galling than the former. [e.a.]
     
    The Golfocaust is real. Don’t be a Golfocaust denier, Jack D. The social status pique American Jews feel is real. You’re as mad and presumptuous as Mr. X, but with some personal protective aspergery traits that insulate you from mockery (at least on this forum).

    This is not to say all Jews are as conflicted as you. E.g., commenter kaganovich, perhaps more secure in his (Orthodox?) identity, has not seen it necessary to dishonestly fret about who is and isn’t American founding stock, for example.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anonymous

    the lot of Harvard men of Jewish extraction more difficult. However, at Harvard the question was settled in such fashion that the Jew is not discriminated against officially, at any rate.

    Jews at Harvard (for a short time) were over-represented by a factor of five rather than the customary ten. It was like another holocaust! Before the other holocaust I mean. Whatever happened to privilege?

    I feel that I am becoming more sensitive to slights, real or imagined.

    You don’t say. Imagined, especially. Imagine some more and you’ll have a Hollywood script ready. What’s that? It’s been done already? Several hundred times? Not to worry, we always have room for one more. We’re just, how you say, inclusive like that.

    • Thanks: Renard
  141. @PiltdownMan
    @J.Ross

    J. Ross, see my reply to Clifford Brown. Thanks.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    >hundreds of years ago
    So you agree.

  142. I have a theory–it’s about life course. At the age at which you finally have enough money to think about founding things, you are also interested in hospitals (because of that heart attack last year) and country clubs (because how else are you going to spend time that also signals all the business success you had in your career), but your university days are behind you. Even as far as kids go, maximum wealth accumulation is achieved after they are out of uni too. It’s true that your grandchildren need to go to uni, but grandchildren are a little removed.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  143. @AnotherDad
    @PiltdownMan

    The relevant thing about Schumer and his high SAT, is not any particular score, but simply giving yourself absolute clarity that

    the people who run America are not stupid, they are evil.

    Schumer is perfectly capable of understanding what's going on, the destruction it is generating and what it portends for the future. He simply has different interests and loyalties. Schumer is simply not loyal the historic American nation and finds it congenial to see it destroyed.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Where’d another important point, too, which was revealed when he pointd out that the IC had multiple ways to get Trump if he crossed them–he’s afraid. He may be evil, too, but I think he is afraid of the Deep State as well.

    • Replies: @scrivener3
    @Chrisnonymous

    Don't you think all of Washington is afraid of the deep state? The pubs are silent on the abuses by the FBI, the corruption of politicians family members, the lack of accountability by wrongdoers in high places.

    They say put us in control so we can fix things - but their fix seems to be make Trump and his issues go away and get back to graft as usual.

    I think the Deep State is not a cabal of wealthy people but simply people in administrative positions of power (like DA's and Federal Police and CIA spooks) who are not accountable to anyone other then their co-administrators. Musk and Zukerberg and Buffet are not running things except for minor favors from Washington to benefit themselves in return for pledging allegiance to the deep state.

  144. @Anon
    @Art Deco

    Look through old Harvard Entrance Exams from the 1900s. They’re online. They were intense, with a heavy emphasis on algebra and geometry. Most current Harvard students could not pass them today.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Look through old Harvard Entrance Exams from the 1900s. They’re online. They were intense, with a heavy emphasis on algebra and geometry. Most current Harvard students could not pass them today.

    Yes‐‐I’ve seen these. The older ones are amazing for the depth and breadth of knowledge they assume. For example, requiring the ability to read, interpret, and respond in ancient Greek and Latin.

  145. @JimB
    @Jack D


    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get.
     
    SAT scores are a measure of student quality, not school quality. Nobel counting would probably be a better measure of school quality.

    Then the revised ranking is,

    1. Princeton
    2. Stanford
    3. University of Chicago
    4. Columbia
    5. MIT
    6. Berkeley
    7. Howard Hughes Medical Inst.
    8. Harvard
    9. UC Santa Barbara
    10. Technion Israel Inst. of Technology

    And there you have it.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Bardon Kaldian, @Chrisnonymous

    It depends why you are asking about the ranking. If you’re trying to decide where to send your kid, SAT score ranking is best, because the experience of university is of being surrounded by other students. It’s not just classrooms but dorms, cafeterias, etc. Other than SAT score, the only other thing I would pay attention to is “wokeness”. I don’t know how to measure that, but doing some reading could clue you in. Pick the school with high SATs that is least likely to land your kid in a controversy.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Chrisnonymous


    If you’re trying to decide where to send your kid, SAT score ranking is best, because the experience of university is of being surrounded by other students.
     
    Yes, but students usually attend the school they get into with the highest SAT average. But half the students there will be below average and that’s not where a student will have the best academic experience. The wise student chooses the school where his SAT or ACT scores put him at one sigma above average. Of course, if he’s off the curve, he should try to finish an elite school in two years and get into graduate school as quickly as possible.
  146. @Joe Stalin
    A gun for morons in the People's Republic of New Jersey?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn08yZAC2V0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNAkJ1nnjEI

    Replies: @Rob McX, @BosTex

    Or People’s Republic of Massachusetts. What a terrible weapon.

    If you are going to keep a gun for self defense, always keep something that works, 100% of the time.

    I keep a ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp
    In the glove compartment. With an additional speed loader.

    That thing is guaranteed to work today or if I need it 20 years from today. (Always treat your guns nicely.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @BosTex


    I keep a ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp. In the glove compartment. With an additional speed loader.
     
    Is there a risk it or the bullets could accidentally go off and shoot you if you got into an accident?

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin

    , @Twinkie
    @BosTex


    ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp
     
    I’m by no means recoil-sensitive, and I love me some wheel guns, but that’s a handful esp. with hotter 357 mag loads and, worse still, leads to very slow follow-up shots. And that 101 has a terrible, gritty trigger that is a bitch to improve. Ruger did better with the LCR trigger.

    Btw, have you ever shot a 357 mag indoors with no hearing protection? Ringing for days.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin

  147. @Paul Jolliffe
    @Pixo

    Well.

    Friday prayers by thousands of Muslims

    in the middle of a world famous landmark.

    A far cry from the Paris of Bridget Bardot and smiling gendarmes:

    https://www.alamy.com/oct-10-1957-german-bb-makes-a-hit-in-paris-eighteen-year-old-marion-image69348319.html

    Another Dad’s refrain is spot on: just leave us ours, and we will not remake yours.

    Replies: @epebble

    That picture is a consequence, not, in anticipation or apprehension of “we will remake yours”. Would that crowd be in Paris if they were not speaking French? How many non-French speaking people move to France to live there? How many non-English speakers move to U.K.?

  148. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Because Jews can’t do “the long march through the institutions” if they aren’t in the institutions.

    To be clear, this is the answer. You can state it more politely saying the goal was "status" or "access", rather than education.


    For the Catholics--the comparable--there was the desire to get lots of their people educated. But also to build/maintain leaders who had a specifically Catholic religious sensibility. Some Anglo-Protestant institutions were closed to them But even if a Catholic family sends their son off to some traditional Anglo-Protestant college or even a BSU land-grant... will they still be functionally Catholic?

    For the Jews, they are going to be Jewish pretty no matter what. And education wasn't the issue.
    Jews were fairly concentrated and they could have easily built a few universities to handle Jews' education. But what the Jews desired was not being in some Jewish university, but access to elite gentile society ... and the opportunity to remake it as they wished.


    With the country clubs, the Jews had--and still do--their own exclusive clubs for their own socializing, matching and mating. But they still manage to whine about gentile clubs. Most of this is a complete fairy-tale and desire to whine. But to the extent there is anything to it, it boils down again to access to elite gentile society.

    Our stuff is our stuff and ... their stuff is our stuff.

    Replies: @loveshumanity, @James B. Shearer

    For the Jews, they are going to be Jewish pretty no matter what. ..”

    How about their children and grandchildren? You send your Jewish kid to a non-Jewish school that will increase the chance they will marry a non-Jew.

  149. @Jack D
    @Daniel H

    Liar. It's not from the 1920s. Yale continued to discriminate against Jews until the 1960s, well within living memory.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/04/nyregion/yale-s-limit-on-jewish-enrollment-lasted-until-early-1960-s-book-says.html

    I realize the '60s are a while ago too but the fact that you lie about this in order to minimize it shows your bad faith.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Colonel Odd Bull

    The article, on a Jewish topic, about a book by a Jewish author, in the nation’s primary Jewish newspaper, is ridiculously slanted — even by the standards of Jewish agitprop.

    To take just two examples, there were Jewish deans at Yale long before the period in question, when it is asserted that Yale had no Jewish professors. And the proportion of jews at Yale has always been many multiples of their proportion of the population.

    Now, were there ever incidents of antisemitism at Yale, as the book’s cherry picked anecdotes insist? Probably there were, and so what? Many of us have experienced the same sort of thing, but from jews themselves, and in the here and now.

    From the article:

    Today, Jewish students account for about 30 percent of the Yale enrollment

    Since white students, broadly defined, constitute about 45% of Yale enrolment, where does this leave white people? And why?

    the fact that you lie about this in order to minimize it shows your bad faith.

    Physician, heal thyself.

  150. @AnotherDad

    Why Did 1920s Jews Start Country Clubs and Hospitals But Not Colleges?
     
    Because Jews can't do "the long march through the institutions" if they aren't in the institutions.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad

    Why Did 1920s Jews Start Country Clubs and Hospitals But Not Colleges?

    BTW, some more interesting questions:

    1) Was there any possible set of behaviors by American whites toward Jews–short of immediately giving Jews their daughters as sex slaves**–that Jews would not be whining about?

    2) Was there any possible set of behaviors by American whites toward Jews, that would have forestalled Jews from trashing American history as just a big heap of racist oppression, denouncing American flyover whites as irredeemably racist (and borderline Nazis) and calling for their inundation with mooooore immigration? I.e. was their any possible policy set that would have resulted in Jewish loyalty to the American nation?

    3) Is there anything American whites could have done to avert the current destruction of America, other than just keep the Ashkenazi Jews out?

    ** Note: Pretty sure a policy of immediately providing Jews shiksa sex slaves, while welcomed by Jewish men, would be earnestly denounced by Jewish women as a plot by the patriarchy against Jewish women–attempting to subvert their sexual power and destroy the Jewish people as a cohesive ethnic group–sexist, racist and anti-Semitic! The Shiksacaust.

  151. @SafeNow
    At the hospital, you get a donor plaque in the lobby. Actually a hierarchy of plaque levels. A friend someday will be sitting in the lobby, waiting for a loved one to emerge from a procedure. The bored/nervous friend browses the plaques, and sees your name! (or you might even endow a cancer building if you are rich). And certainly the docs and nurses are aware of who the big donors are. A university, by contrast, does not have a plaque lobby. A plaque to a Jew is like - - like - - darn, I can’t think of a simile.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Cutter, @HammerJack

    A university, by contrast, does not have a plaque lobby.

    The one where I attended has a lobby in one of its main buildings with bronze plaques listing the many students and alumni who lost their lives in America’s wars. Fighting for the country which now excludes them; such is thanks.

  152. Bill Ackman Wiki:

    In 1988, he received a Bachelor of Arts degree magna cum laude in social studies from Harvard College. His thesis was “Scaling the Ivy Wall: the Jewish and Asian American Experience in Harvard Admissions.”

    This guy is a decade younger than I am. That’s his topic.

    Bill Ackman Tweet:

    Doesn’t it make sense more sense to moderate wage inflation with increased immigration than by raising rates?

    America made a mistake. Not everyone is natural fit for “loyal American”.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @AnotherDad

    Doesn’t it make more sense to moderate wage inflation with increased immigration than by raising rates?

    Even without familiarity with economics, that is an easy question to answer. Moderate wage inflation can happen due to any number of reasons - scarcity of workers, lower productivity of workers, lower skill level of workers, lower labor force participation, collective bargaining advantage for workers over to managers etc., Increased immigration just increases number of workers without addressing other causes. For example, if worker productivity is lower, that can't be solved by immigrants. It can only be fixed by increasing skill level or productivity by other means (e.g. capital).

    Another issue is, wage inflation may be transitory. Fixing it by increased immigration is a poor solution as it can't be easily reversed when wage inflation ceases or goes negative.

    Raising rates is also not a great long-term solution. But, that is the only button the Fed has, so they will keep pushing it. Long term solution may be increased skill level or productivity. But that can't be controlled by government.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    Doesn’t it make sense more sense to moderate wage inflation with increased immigration than by raising rates?

    This attitude is absolutely ubiquitous among the gentry class. It is far from specifically Jewish. It's simply the equivalent of "We needs our weaves" for aspiring aristocracy, "We need our nannies and gardeners". As regards Ackman specifically, he is flogging what is in the interests of the companies in his portfolio rather then the interests of the working man. Were the bloated plutocrats of the pre-Jewish American past any different?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Polistra, @Colin Wright

  153. Question for Steve. Among the many posts you’ve written about golf in general, from the founding of country clubs, to the various PGA golfers in particular, there’s one thing that hasn’t been discussed.

    For all their vaunted founding of country clubs, how come American Jews have failed to produce even one single super golfer among the PGA’s history of the last hundred years? There’s been black, Hispanic, Asian, and of course caucasian PGA superstar golfers, but to the best of my knowledge, there’s not been one single Jewish golfer who’s been dominant on the PGA tour over its storied history. Certainly we’d have heard of him if he existed. Jones, Sneed, Nicholaus, Palmer, Player, Eldrick, Spieth, etc. were/are not Jewish.

    When you think of great PGA golfers, Jews just simply don’t come to mind. Why is that?

    Perhaps the main reason for founding the country clubs wasn’t so that Jews could learn to play competent golf and then advance to dominate the Majors, but for the simple reason of human nature: A place to socialize, conduct business (something that they do tend to know about) on the links. And of course for the chow. But actually playing golf? Just doesn’t appear to be in their DNA.

    Basically the clubs remain an outdoors Elks club, and gentile-free at that.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    There have been decent Jewish golfers like Cory Pavin (1 major and 15 PGA wins). One of the top English golfers during their down period was Jewish but I forget his name. But, no, Jews tend not to be as fanatical about golf as WASPs and Asians.

    Among country club sports, I think Jews like tennis a little more than golf. The country club sport where Jews have done best is swimming (e.g., Mark Spitz).

    Jews are doing pretty well in baseball right now, with Max Fried so far the best of the 3 star pitchers on that one Harvard-Westlake team (along with Lucas Giolitto and Jack Flaherty).

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @anonymous

    , @Brutusale
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Your typical Jewish pro golfer:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lipsky_(golfer)

    But seriously, this kid is pretty good:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Berger_(golfer)

    Best Jewish golfer ever:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Alcott

    Jewish golfer I'd most like a private lesson with:

    https://imgs.search.brave.com/q5VFK15e7-rX9xTe61VhPBSzRra8q9tHcEVT8ZOVrRc/rs:fit:382:500:1/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbGFy/Z2UubGlzaW1nLmNv/bS9pbWFnZS8yNDI4/NjUzLzc0MGZ1bGwt/bW9yZ2FuLXByZXNz/ZWwuanBn

  154. @Jack D
    @Daniel H

    Liar. It's not from the 1920s. Yale continued to discriminate against Jews until the 1960s, well within living memory.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/04/nyregion/yale-s-limit-on-jewish-enrollment-lasted-until-early-1960-s-book-says.html

    I realize the '60s are a while ago too but the fact that you lie about this in order to minimize it shows your bad faith.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Colonel Odd Bull

    Harvard provided affirmative action preferences for underrepresented groups. If you want to call that discrimination, OK, that’s reasonable, but it seems to upset you more than all the other affirmative action for some reason. Sometimes most of the overrepresented groups tolerate the affirmative action preferences. Sometimes even overrepresented groups get affirmative action preferences in their favor, even though they are already overrepresented. Sometimes this goes on for 40 years.

    General Odd Bull

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Colonel Odd Bull

    General Odd Bull

    That was an ok post, but hardly worthy of a promotion in rank.

    Replies: @Colonel Odd Bull

  155. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Anecdote is not the singular of data. Any Jew who makes a big deal about being excluded from a country club is definitely a jerk but I don't think this is actually a major preoccupation of Jews. I have heard more about Jews not getting into country clubs on Unz than I EVER heard in my real life.

    It sure as hell wasn't where I grew up, where there was exactly 1 golf course (made out of the last dairy farm in the area) and it was public. OTOH getting into college WAS a big deal for me and my circle of friends, Jewish and non-Jewish and I would have been REALLY (and I think rightly) pissed if I wasn't able to get into the college of my choice based on my religion rather than my qualifications. Fortunately, I missed that but only by a decade so this was not some sort of ancient history.

    The country club thing is a bad faith argument - no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    I know that there are people here who feel that discrimination should be part of the right of free association of private businesses and institutions but I think the Holocaust lifted the scales from the eyes of American Jews. If you look at what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler did not come to power one day and the next day start building gas chambers - it was much more gradual that that, taking place over the space of almost a decade. Jew in Germany had their rights stripped away one by one and not all at once. So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that "polite" or "social" discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres. The fact that early America was remarkably free from prejudice against Jews (not that there were many Jews) but over time more and more things in America became closed to them in the 20th century certainly pointed in this direction.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @BosTex, @Twinkie, @Colin Wright, @anonymous, @Twinkie, @Truth

    Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    It’s amazing how effortlessly self-unaware you are in shifting from “flight from white” to “fellow whites” and back again as sophistic convenience dictates on the same blog, sometimes even on the same thread.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    There is no contradiction - I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world. This is an Arab proverb but in reality the whole world works this way.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @James B. Shearer

  156. @AnotherDad
    Bill Ackman Wiki:

    In 1988, he received a Bachelor of Arts degree magna cum laude in social studies from Harvard College. His thesis was "Scaling the Ivy Wall: the Jewish and Asian American Experience in Harvard Admissions."
     
    This guy is a decade younger than I am. That's his topic.


    Bill Ackman Tweet:

    Doesn't it make sense more sense to moderate wage inflation with increased immigration than by raising rates?
     
    America made a mistake. Not everyone is natural fit for "loyal American".

    Replies: @epebble, @kaganovitch

    Doesn’t it make more sense to moderate wage inflation with increased immigration than by raising rates?

    Even without familiarity with economics, that is an easy question to answer. Moderate wage inflation can happen due to any number of reasons – scarcity of workers, lower productivity of workers, lower skill level of workers, lower labor force participation, collective bargaining advantage for workers over to managers etc., Increased immigration just increases number of workers without addressing other causes. For example, if worker productivity is lower, that can’t be solved by immigrants. It can only be fixed by increasing skill level or productivity by other means (e.g. capital).

    Another issue is, wage inflation may be transitory. Fixing it by increased immigration is a poor solution as it can’t be easily reversed when wage inflation ceases or goes negative.

    Raising rates is also not a great long-term solution. But, that is the only button the Fed has, so they will keep pushing it. Long term solution may be increased skill level or productivity. But that can’t be controlled by government.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @epebble

    But, that is the only button the Fed has,

    It isn't.

  157. The University of California stripped the name “Boalt” from its Berkeley law school in 2020, and now the name “Hastings” will be stripped from its San Francisco law school:

    On Friday, Newsom signed AB1936, renaming the SF law school that was founded in 1878 by Serranus Clinton Hastings. Hastings supported and funded the mass killings and other atrocities committed against Native American people in the mid-19th century. The name change will take effect on Jan. 1, 2023.

    The bill “also outlines several restorative justice initiatives that the College intends to pursue, such as renaming the law library with a Native language name, annually reading a statement of the atrocities Hastings committed against the Yuki people and providing collaborative opportunities for Round Valley tribal students to gain debate and writing experience, among other efforts,” according to a statement by the governor’s office.

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/UC-Hastings-is-now-UC-College-of-the-law-SF-17463429.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-Editors-Picks

  158. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Anecdote is not the singular of data. Any Jew who makes a big deal about being excluded from a country club is definitely a jerk but I don't think this is actually a major preoccupation of Jews. I have heard more about Jews not getting into country clubs on Unz than I EVER heard in my real life.

    It sure as hell wasn't where I grew up, where there was exactly 1 golf course (made out of the last dairy farm in the area) and it was public. OTOH getting into college WAS a big deal for me and my circle of friends, Jewish and non-Jewish and I would have been REALLY (and I think rightly) pissed if I wasn't able to get into the college of my choice based on my religion rather than my qualifications. Fortunately, I missed that but only by a decade so this was not some sort of ancient history.

    The country club thing is a bad faith argument - no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    I know that there are people here who feel that discrimination should be part of the right of free association of private businesses and institutions but I think the Holocaust lifted the scales from the eyes of American Jews. If you look at what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler did not come to power one day and the next day start building gas chambers - it was much more gradual that that, taking place over the space of almost a decade. Jew in Germany had their rights stripped away one by one and not all at once. So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that "polite" or "social" discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres. The fact that early America was remarkably free from prejudice against Jews (not that there were many Jews) but over time more and more things in America became closed to them in the 20th century certainly pointed in this direction.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @BosTex, @Twinkie, @Colin Wright, @anonymous, @Twinkie, @Truth

    ‘… So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that “polite” or “social” discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres…’

    Could lead to it — but can we be sure?

    After all, to exclude anyone from anything, first we’re going to have to regain control of our institutions. Seven out of eight of the presidents of the Ivy League schools are Jews, the eight largest contributors to the current president’s election campaign were all Jews, the Attorney General is a Jew, the Secretary of State is a Jew, the Secretary of Homeland Security is a Jew, the Treasury Secretary is a Jew, the White House Chief of Staff is a Jew…

    I’m not sure ‘polite’ anything is going to be sufficient. After all, it’s not just that Jews are running everything, it’s that they’re no damned good at the job. What are we supposed to do? Wait around and hope they get better?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Colin Wright


    After all, it’s not just that Jews are running everything, it’s that they’re no damned good at the job. What are we supposed to do? Wait around and hope they get better?
     
    Oh, they seem to be very good at their jobs. They are advancing agendas. Maybe the problem for you is that their interests and goals differ from yours.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  159. @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    '...Catholics built universities, as did Methodists. Lutherans preferred small colleges, most of which started as seminaries for then-tiny ethnic synods, which later merged. Jews were the odd group out...

    Yes -- but if Catholics et al built their own universities while Jews did not, the implication is that this was voluntary. Jews -- presumably -- could have started their own schools. Why didn't they?

    It occurs to me that antisemitism -- both external and internalized -- may provide the answer. There's nothing in particular wrong with being Lutheran or Methodist. Even Catholics have usually resented bigotry aimed at them rather than attempting to evade it.

    But did Jews want to advertise their Jewishness? Did they want the equivalent of Southern Methodist or CalLu or Notre Dame? Hence the storming of the Ivy League schools. It was to escape being Jewish.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Jews — presumably — could have started their own schools. Why didn’t they? It occurs to me that antisemitism — both external and internalized — may provide the answer.”

    Nah, it was just straight out of the chosenite playbook. Why spend the money and effort to build your own universities, when you can simply form a human battering ram and take over the goy’s? Which is precisely what they’ve done.

    The quota advocates of the 1920s gave reasons for their exclusionary policies which were based not in “anti-semitism” (which mostly does not actually exist), but in a realistic analysis of observed destructive Jewish behavior: viz if Jews were admitted in unusually large numbers, they would then proceed to use ruthless unending ethno-nepotism, networking, bribery and other traditional Jewish weapons to relentlessly drive up their numbers until they had taken over the colleges, de-Christianized them, and bolted the door shut against the original owners. Jews like to terraform the societies they parasitize to suit their own preferences, even if it means destroying the country. *Especially* if it means destroying the country.

    Which is precisely what has happened: Circumspice. So in other words, the exclusionists were not anti-semites, they were exactly right.

    The Ivies were not intended to be forward-looking outposts of cutting-edge academics; they were intended to train up a ruling elite which could handle the responsibilities of wielding power properly. Jews in the aggregate are notoriously hostile to and resentful of and condescending to White Christian America; if they were to become the elite, then they would instinctively use their influence to destroy the country, which by 2022, they have largely achieved.

    The same thing happened in Russia in pre-revolution early 20th century. Jews flooded the Russian universities, and in return the Russians got blood-soaked Bolshevism. Same thing has happened here, only without the gulags. Yet.

    • Agree: Vladimir Berkov
  160. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Question for Steve. Among the many posts you've written about golf in general, from the founding of country clubs, to the various PGA golfers in particular, there's one thing that hasn't been discussed.

    For all their vaunted founding of country clubs, how come American Jews have failed to produce even one single super golfer among the PGA's history of the last hundred years? There's been black, Hispanic, Asian, and of course caucasian PGA superstar golfers, but to the best of my knowledge, there's not been one single Jewish golfer who's been dominant on the PGA tour over its storied history. Certainly we'd have heard of him if he existed. Jones, Sneed, Nicholaus, Palmer, Player, Eldrick, Spieth, etc. were/are not Jewish.

    When you think of great PGA golfers, Jews just simply don't come to mind. Why is that?

    Perhaps the main reason for founding the country clubs wasn't so that Jews could learn to play competent golf and then advance to dominate the Majors, but for the simple reason of human nature: A place to socialize, conduct business (something that they do tend to know about) on the links. And of course for the chow. But actually playing golf? Just doesn't appear to be in their DNA.

    Basically the clubs remain an outdoors Elks club, and gentile-free at that.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    There have been decent Jewish golfers like Cory Pavin (1 major and 15 PGA wins). One of the top English golfers during their down period was Jewish but I forget his name. But, no, Jews tend not to be as fanatical about golf as WASPs and Asians.

    Among country club sports, I think Jews like tennis a little more than golf. The country club sport where Jews have done best is swimming (e.g., Mark Spitz).

    Jews are doing pretty well in baseball right now, with Max Fried so far the best of the 3 star pitchers on that one Harvard-Westlake team (along with Lucas Giolitto and Jack Flaherty).

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Jews have always done pretty well in MLB, but on the side of the field (e.g. Front office, GM, and ownership of clubs)

    And there again, aside from the odd exception Sandy Koufax HOF LA P, can't really recall very many Jews who have dominated on the field of MLB. In other words, actually playing a sport, Jews simply don't dominate in the same way that they do in other sports roles say, league commissioners, GMs, and owners. Perhaps they figure that there's more profit in actually owning a team than playing for one.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Flaherty's an Irish surname.

    , @anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    But, no, Jews tend not to be as fanatical about golf as WASPs and Asians.
     
    Come now Steve. Jews simply tend not to be good athletes compared to Europeans and Asians. Full stop.

    Ostensible jews who do find success at sports almost always have a boost from recent European admixture.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack P

  161. @Buzz Mohawk
    The following is a retelling of something I think I once mentioned here:

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town, when Ken Burns walked up to me...

    No wait. Wrong town.

    A drunk Jew* walked up to me and asked where I was from. Instead of going into biographical details about the Ooold West and both coasts, I just told him the town we had moved from, which is just the next one over.

    He responded, "Oh, [that town]!" They wouldn't let me into their club!" He did not say this in a nice way.

    There is a club on the shore there with a little beach and a nice golf course. Golf addicts like Jack Welch of GE fame have been members...

    My response was, "I'm from out west."

    His then was, "What does that mean?"

    "It means I don't know what you're talking about," though I did.

    So here in the 21st century, on the East Coast -- where in my observation ethnic sensitivities run stronger than in the middle part of the country -- here was a Jewish guy, drunk at the polling place, making an issue of where I was from and how, supposedly, he was kept out of a local club.

    *Those do exist.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @BB753, @Anon

    Yeah, “golfocaust” second- and third generation victims still do exist and they suffer ill-treated PTSD. “My great-uncle Sidney was vetted from the nice goyish country-club in 1947. The poor soul never recovered. ”

  162. If you asked me that question and you were my teacher, I know what answer would get me a high grade: The Jews are a parasite on Christian America and as such prefer to undermine existing institutions than to build their own.

    Otherwise, I think the answer is that newly-arrived Jews actually did set up quite a few institutions of higher learning — to train rabbis. Which is exactly analogous to the role Harvard, Yale and Princeton played when they were founded by Anglo-Saxon newcomers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @International Jew


    If you asked me that question and you were my teacher, I know what answer would get me a high grade: The Jews are a parasite on Christian America and as such prefer to undermine existing institutions than to build their own.
     
    That’s a cheap shot. You should know better.

    Otherwise, I think the answer is that newly-arrived Jews actually did set up quite a few institutions of higher learning — to train rabbis. Which is exactly analogous to the role Harvard, Yale and Princeton played when they were founded by Anglo-Saxon newcomers.
     
    They weren’t newcomers. They were founders.
  163. @Colin Wright
    @Bardon Kaldian

    'I’d say that among the best works & books in the US, published on various topics in the past 30-40 years, perhaps 20-40% are authored by American Jews or American people of some Jewish ancestry. Asians- not even close. Maybe 70% are by other whites, both natives & European (and white Latino – Juan Maldacena) immigrants to the US (some influence has been malign, especially by French post-modernists).'

    To some extent, this is going to be an illusion generated by the tendency of Jews to tout the work of other Jews. I've run into this twice with book reviews, and learned to be wary. If a book written by a Jew is highly praised, it could be good -- or it could be written by a Jew.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    I don’t care about this stuff, and I don’t even know about it.

    I’ve read books galore on various topics & Jews were over-represented in many fields. For instance- I know it’s old- the best book about classical mechanics is Goldstein’s; on electrodynamics is Jackson’s (not a Jew); about quantum field theory Itzykson & Zuber and Peskin & Schroeder (I’d say most of them are Jews). I won’t bother with mathematics where you have plenty of Jews, along with, of course, the majority of white Gentiles.

    Off the top of my head, one of the best scholar books about afterlife in the West is authored by Alan Segal; the standard mammoth Dostoevsky’s bio is Joseph Frank’s (along Mochulsky’s); the chief translators from Russian and German are very frequently Jews (even in the case of Spanish- Edith Grossman); in my opinion, the greatest linguist is Roman Jakobson of Jewish heritage ….

    The same with dismal science.

    Of course that Gentile scholars dominate the field of the humanities (Peter Brown, Ioan Culianu, Eliade, D.G. White ….), but there are a bunch of Jews or people of significant Jewish heritage in most areas.

    There certainly exists some kind of Jewish nepotism, but those scientists & scholars who are the real deal don’t need any kind of ethnic mafia.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Bardon Kaldian

    '...There certainly exists some kind of Jewish nepotism, but those scientists & scholars who are the real deal don’t need any kind of ethnic mafia.'

    I agree. However, the specific examples I've encountered are real enough.

    The first came when I was bamboozled into buying Sebag-Montefiore's Dunkirk: to the Last Man. There was an adulatory review in Haaretz. The book itself turned out to be largely a compilation of extracts from British regimental war diaries: interesting at times, but essentially a rip-off: not an insightful or even diligent work of history by any yardstick.

    The second time at least I didn't buy the book. It was in the library: The Invention of the Middle Ages. I thought, 'well, that's an interesting approach.' Medieval history's an interest of mine, so...

    It turned out to be a series of thumbnail biographies of great medievalists: all of whom happened to be Jews, and the author was a Jew. As you note, medieval history wouldn't be a field dominated by Jews, so the intent was a little obvious -- and of course the effect was disappointing. The book really amounted to a series of expanded Wikipedia entries, held together by not much at all. There certainly wasn't anything to support the implied thesis that the Middle Ages were 'invented.'

    Finally, I've wondered about the enduring reputation of Barbara Tuchman. I can't say I've found her books to be especially compelling or insightful -- but she is Jewish.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Anonymous
    @Bardon Kaldian


    I’ve read books galore on various topics & Jews were over-represented in many fields.
     
    Intelligence is a factor, for sure. But we rarely hear motivation discussed as a factor. Jews are particularly obsessed with power, controlling discourse, and controlling what passes for “knowledge” in a society. What with another Holocaust hanging over their heads like the sword of Damocles, it is understandable, isn’t it?
  164. @clifford brown
    OT-

    24 hours a go there were internet rumors of some sort of military coup against Xi in Beijing. This morning #chinacoup was trending on Twitter, but no media outlet has picked up the story. I have been listening to BBC World Service this afternoon and they are not touching the story.

    Was Xi deposed? If he was, it is amazing that a coup can happen in the second most powerful country in the world and the media collectively decides not to discuss it.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    Was Xi deposed?

    I followed this story with great interest.

    The coup hypothesis.

    President Xi left for Samarkhand on the 14th and abruptly left the place without attending the closing official banquet. He then flew to Shenyang where he was detained by the military and put under house arrest. He hasn’t been seen publicly ever since. While he was away the plotters called a meeting of the standing committee of the Politbureau and stripped him of the Chairmanship of the Central Military Commission

    There are several lacunae in this story let’s discuss the emboldened part. If this was an emergency why would he fly to Shenyang which is 800 Km from Beijing? It’s scarcely credible that they could have arrested him in an airport without the news leaking out. Then the 2nd emboldened part there’s no way to hide a secret meeting of the standing committee of the Politbureau and worse if you strip him of the chairmanship of the central military committee who is the new chairman? This has to be communicated publicly else China won’t have a commander in chief of the military – it’s incredible to think that they would go 10 days without a commander in chief.

    Occams Razor suggests that he is ill he has not been looking healthy in his numerous public appearances. There was a time couple of years back when he disappeared for 2 weeks and there were similar speculations. What’s important is that he is missing at a crucial time when the 19th plenary session which I kid you not fixes the candidates for the 20th party congress. he would have never missed these meetings no way unless something happened to him. Definitely ill in my opinion.

    None of the Chinese dissidents who pushed this coup hypothesis have posted anything new it’s all a case of wishful thinking because he is profoundly hated by a huge section of Chinese who just wish that he were gone because they feel he’s taking the country back to its Maoist era from which they escaped with such great difficulty

  165. @CharleszMartel
    @Anon

    Please finish this. I'd really like to hear the end and what happened.

    I'm not joking.

    Thanks!

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Please finish this. I’d really like to hear the end and what happened.

    Regrettably, Anon319 is no longer in a position to finish the anecdote. That Jewish couple plays for keeps.

    • LOL: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @additionalMike
    @kaganovitch

    LOL. Let Mr. 319's fate be a lesson to all of us.

    Say his number!

  166. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buzz Mohawk


    He responded, “Oh, [that town]!” They wouldn’t let me into their club!” He did not say this in a nice way.
     
    Missed opportunity to let him vent in detail—lead him with friendly faux concern:

    “Oh really... they wouldn’t? :( Why not?”

    You could’ve come away with a novel-worthy monologue from your new acquaintance!

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    “Oh really… they wouldn’t? 🙁 Why not?”

    They shaid I drink too much , the bashtards. Can you believe it?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @kaganovitch

    "They shaid I drink too much , the bashtards. Can you believe it?"

    “Sorry, ol’ chap, I was hoping for something a bit more Shakespearean, or at least Larry Davidian… ‘Hath not a fellow Nutmegger hands, organs, dimensions, senses, an affinity for gin and tonics’, that sort of thing.”

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  167. @AnotherDad
    Bill Ackman Wiki:

    In 1988, he received a Bachelor of Arts degree magna cum laude in social studies from Harvard College. His thesis was "Scaling the Ivy Wall: the Jewish and Asian American Experience in Harvard Admissions."
     
    This guy is a decade younger than I am. That's his topic.


    Bill Ackman Tweet:

    Doesn't it make sense more sense to moderate wage inflation with increased immigration than by raising rates?
     
    America made a mistake. Not everyone is natural fit for "loyal American".

    Replies: @epebble, @kaganovitch

    Doesn’t it make sense more sense to moderate wage inflation with increased immigration than by raising rates?

    This attitude is absolutely ubiquitous among the gentry class. It is far from specifically Jewish. It’s simply the equivalent of “We needs our weaves” for aspiring aristocracy, “We need our nannies and gardeners”. As regards Ackman specifically, he is flogging what is in the interests of the companies in his portfolio rather then the interests of the working man. Were the bloated plutocrats of the pre-Jewish American past any different?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    See Zoe Baird, Kimba Wood, and, especially the columns Anna Quindlen wrote about both. Don't think it's all that common except in rarefied realms, but those in those realms are influential.

    , @Polistra
    @kaganovitch


    Were the bloated plutocrats of the pre-Jewish American past any different?
     
    I think this is a question of some substance: open to conjecture, argument, and of course reams of anecdotes. My initial reaction is to say no, plutocrats have always been plutocrats.

    But did the Vanderbilts, Carnegies, and Rockefellers of that earlier age use their wealth, power, and influence to run endless stories in the mass media insisting that the real threat to America was its founding stock of white people?

    , @Colin Wright
    @kaganovitch

    '...Were the bloated plutocrats of the pre-Jewish American past any different?'

    In several respects, yes, they were. Equally important, the popular response to them and the degree to which they were able to control that response were different.

    Compare Mark Zuckerberg and what people think about Facebook and the 2020 election to Andrew Carnegie and the Homestead Strike.

    ...in the past, we may not have been exactly dazzled by the brilliance, but now we're definitely getting baffled by the bullshit.

    ...Jewish bullshit.

  168. @Colonel Odd Bull
    @Jack D

    Harvard provided affirmative action preferences for underrepresented groups. If you want to call that discrimination, OK, that's reasonable, but it seems to upset you more than all the other affirmative action for some reason. Sometimes most of the overrepresented groups tolerate the affirmative action preferences. Sometimes even overrepresented groups get affirmative action preferences in their favor, even though they are already overrepresented. Sometimes this goes on for 40 years.

    General Odd Bull

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    General Odd Bull

    That was an ok post, but hardly worthy of a promotion in rank.

    • Replies: @Colonel Odd Bull
    @kaganovitch

    Takes some time to get new letterheads printed.

    General Odd Bull

  169. @kaganovitch
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Oh really… they wouldn’t? 🙁 Why not?”

    They shaid I drink too much , the bashtards. Can you believe it?

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “They shaid I drink too much , the bashtards. Can you believe it?”

    “Sorry, ol’ chap, I was hoping for something a bit more Shakespearean, or at least Larry Davidian… ‘Hath not a fellow Nutmegger hands, organs, dimensions, senses, an affinity for gin and tonics’, that sort of thing.”

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Sorry, ol’ chap, I was hoping for something a bit more Shakespearean, or at least Larry Davidian… ‘Hath not a fellow Nutmegger hands, organs, dimensions, senses, an affinity for gin and tonics’, that sort of thing.”

    Sad to say, my experience with the veritas that vino elicits has always been disappointing. We live in hope, though.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  170. Why did Jews put so much effort into getting into Harvard and Yale rather than founding more of their own colleges?

    LOL

  171. @bjdubbs
    Are there any all-Jewish coops in New York that aren't Hasidic or orthodox? We hear about coops discriminating against Jews but I've never heard of Jewish coops discriminating in favor of Jews. I could be wrong. And if Jews don't want to live exclusively with other Jews, why would they want to go to a Jewish college? Brandeis is about 60% Jewish and is mostly recent generation.

    Replies: @bjdubbs, @ATBOTL

    I’m going to reply to my own comment: There are Jewish universities, they’re just 1/3 Jewish. That seems to be the percentage that Jews prefer, and beyond which Jews will stay away. Look at this list. Jews like being around Jews but don’t want to be surrounded by Jews.

    Brandeis University: 1750 Jewish Students, 50%
    Muhlenberg College: 750 Jewish Students, 35%
    University of Hartford: 1,500 Jewish Students, 33%
    Barnard College: 770 Jewish Students, 33%
    Sarah Lawrence College: 400 Jewish Students, 33%
    Tulane University: 2250 Jewish Students, 32%
    Columbia University: 3,000 Jewish Students, 30%
    Emory University: 2,100 Jewish Students, 30%
    Goucher College: 450 Jewish Students, 30%
    George Washington University: 3,000 Jewish Students, 29%
    Oberlin College: 850 Jewish Students, 29%
    New York University: 6,000 Jewish Students, 28%

  172. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @kaganovitch

    "They shaid I drink too much , the bashtards. Can you believe it?"

    “Sorry, ol’ chap, I was hoping for something a bit more Shakespearean, or at least Larry Davidian… ‘Hath not a fellow Nutmegger hands, organs, dimensions, senses, an affinity for gin and tonics’, that sort of thing.”

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    “Sorry, ol’ chap, I was hoping for something a bit more Shakespearean, or at least Larry Davidian… ‘Hath not a fellow Nutmegger hands, organs, dimensions, senses, an affinity for gin and tonics’, that sort of thing.”

    Sad to say, my experience with the veritas that vino elicits has always been disappointing. We live in hope, though.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @kaganovitch


    Sad to say, my experience with the veritas that vino elicits has always been disappointing. We live in hope, though.
     
    If the social situation presents itself, double the dosage in half the time and aim for surreal congeniality. Just don’t veer into vino vomitus!

    I’ll float a recommendation to the crew for another look:

    “Yeah, that guy. Goes by ‘kaganovitch.’ Arch, I know. I call him ‘k.’ But he’s a mensch, as they say. And he’s a hoot when he’s fully on the sauce… Where? Sailer’s blog. Isn’t Steve flying out for a foursome at the fundraiser next week? Anyway, k is generous with the LOLs. Yeah, me! I know, I know. And he doesn’t get riled at criticism of Canadians—real even keel. Not a suck-up either. Could be good to send it back to the Skipper.”

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  173. @Daniel H
    Will we ever hear the end if this plaint from the 1920s? Seems that every decade of so it's brought to the fore again.

    A more pressing question for aspirational Jews today should be whether Ivy admissions are gamed today to favor Jews at the expense of Asians and white goy. For details, see Ron Unz.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar, @George

    “Will we ever hear the end if this plaint from the 1920s? Seems that every decade of so it’s brought to the fore again.”

    Everything I know about the subject is from internet searches and cursory perusal of the results, but …

    Sailor implies in his post that maybe undergraduate Ivy League institutions were not that that exclusive in the 19 teens and 20s. This was the Charleston generation of drunken American rich kids, and the thought of decent Jewish kids getting smashed, donning a raccoon skin coat and whoring around New England in a Hispano-Suizo until the inevitable crash was unappealing. At the same time that the Ivy undergrad was burnishing their party school reputation, elsewhere in the US there were many academic institutions, often near where the individual Jew lived, to chose from. Also worth noting is that, particularly brilliant Jews of German heritage might have gone to the early 1900s world’s best universities back in Germany.

    Ok, even if Harvard did discriminate against Jews, I wonder what the stance on Jews was at the real American academic institutions, U of Chicago, Case Western, any of the California Universities.

    Case in point is Super Genius, Donald Arthur Glaser (September 21, 1926 – February 28, 2013) was an American physicist, neurobiologist, and the winner of the 1960 Nobel Prize in Physics for his invention of the bubble chamber used in subatomic particle physics.

    Born in Cleveland, Ohio, Glaser completed his Bachelor of Science degree in physics and mathematics from Case School of Applied Science[2]: 10  in 1946. He completed his Ph.D. in physics from the California Institute of Technology in 1949.[4]

    Glasser’s CIT attendance would be expected today, but note the (pre rust belt Cleveland) Case School background. So it is possible the Jewish geniuses were, back then, from the Midwest just like generic white geniuses were at the time. Going through a list of American Physics Nobel Prize winners, I don’t see Ivy league, other than Yale, as well represented among the earlier prize winners.

    Another possibility is the discrimination was not against Jews, it was against Eastern Europeans and other new comer upstarts. Case in point US Supreme court justice Benjamin N. Cardozo, “At age 15, Cardozo entered Columbia University[6] where he was elected to Phi Beta Kappa.[7] He was admitted to Columbia Law School in 1889.

    But Cardozo was not Ashkenazi Eastern European immigrant Jewish. His background is very similar to what would later be called WASPs. He traces his heritage to the US colonial period (like WASPs are said to), “[Cardozo’s] ancestors had immigrated to the British colonies from London, England before the American Revolution.”

    In short there is no antisemitism, just founders discriminating against new comers. Cardozo was of founding stock and was treated like others of founding stock.

    Slightly off topic but brilliant Black American chemist Percy Lavon Julian ” worried that white students would resent being taught by an African American, Harvard withdrew Julian’s teaching assistantship, making it impossible for him to complete his Ph.D. there.

    In 1929, while an instructor at Howard University, Julian received a Rockefeller Foundation fellowship to continue his graduate work at the University of Vienna, where he earned his Ph.D. in 1931.” So there is evidence of American geniuses going to Europe for superior educations, partially due to discrimination in the US.

  174. @kaganovitch
    @CharleszMartel

    Please finish this. I’d really like to hear the end and what happened.

    Regrettably, Anon319 is no longer in a position to finish the anecdote. That Jewish couple plays for keeps.

    Replies: @additionalMike

    LOL. Let Mr. 319’s fate be a lesson to all of us.

    Say his number!

  175. @p s c
    All Kennedy's since old man Joe went to Harvard. No Boston College or Holy Cross for them. Yet the daughters all go to Manhatanville College.

    William F Buckley was a Yalie.

    Kennedys and Buckley all went to Protestant prep/boarding schools.

    Patrick J Buchanan went to Gonzaga High in DC and then to Georgetown which was a natural progression as Gonzaga was a prep school for Georgetown. Did PJB consider going to any other school such as an Ivy?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Houston 1992, @ScarletNumber

    Buchanan got his Master’s in Journalism at Columbia.

    The only Catholic school attended by JFK was lay run, liberal, and in New England, in Connecticut I think. I’m not sure whether it was elementary or secondary.

    Caroline went to Columbia and/or Columbia Law.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Hibernian

    Caroline went to Harvard undergrad. JFK Jr went to Brown after supposedly being turned down by Harvard. He wasn’t much of a student apparently.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Art Deco

  176. There was greater parity among colleges in the 1920s. What we saw in the 1920s was the beginning of the demise of the regional college which was completed by the 1960s. These regional colleges were academically sound and people at Harvard etc. werent necessarily better students, just better-connected, because the Northeastern establishment, especially post-Civil War, ran the country. (Of course there was a slight IQ advantage as a result of the gene pool represented in the Northeast ~ but a student from Iowa was often nearly as smart and much more hardworking).

    Of course the short answer to, “Why Jews… ” is that they didn’t need the goyim to play golf with, and didnt trust goyim medicine, but certainly needed to be in the goyim academy to control the culture, law and finance…. and to get into medical school.

    Have you ever been to a Jewish country club? Nowhere is the difference between jews and goys more palpable.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Father Coughlin

    What we saw in the 1920s was the beginning of the demise of the regional college which was completed by the 1960s.

    No clue what you fancy you're talking about.

    Replies: @Father Coughlin

    , @Anonymous
    @Father Coughlin


    Of course the short answer to, “Why Jews… ” is that they didn’t need the goyim to play golf with, and didnt trust goyim medicine.
     
    What is wrong with Western medicine? Haven’t Europeans been just as good in medicine as jews have?

    Have you ever been to a Jewish country club? Nowhere is the difference between jews and goys more palpable.
     
    How do the clubs differ, and how so jews and goys differ?
  177. @Tony Lawless
    @conatus

    "It’s striking that Jews created many of their own country clubs and hospitals, but only a couple of their own colleges (Brandeis and Yeshiva). Why did Jews put so much effort into getting into Harvard and Yale rather than founding more of their own colleges?"

    Genuine question: If the IQ of Jews is so high, why aren't the reputations of Brandeis and Yeshiva by now higher than the reputations of Harvard and Yale?

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Brandeis might be close in academic quality just as Illinois and Wisconsin are. Yeshiva is Orthodox and might not have the same access to money or emphasis on other than religious scholarship.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Hibernian


    Brandeis might be close in academic quality just as Illinois and Wisconsin are.
     
    Illinois and Wisconsin are close in quality to Harvard and Yale??

    Replies: @Art Deco

  178. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    There have been decent Jewish golfers like Cory Pavin (1 major and 15 PGA wins). One of the top English golfers during their down period was Jewish but I forget his name. But, no, Jews tend not to be as fanatical about golf as WASPs and Asians.

    Among country club sports, I think Jews like tennis a little more than golf. The country club sport where Jews have done best is swimming (e.g., Mark Spitz).

    Jews are doing pretty well in baseball right now, with Max Fried so far the best of the 3 star pitchers on that one Harvard-Westlake team (along with Lucas Giolitto and Jack Flaherty).

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @anonymous

    Jews have always done pretty well in MLB, but on the side of the field (e.g. Front office, GM, and ownership of clubs)

    And there again, aside from the odd exception Sandy Koufax HOF LA P, can’t really recall very many Jews who have dominated on the field of MLB. In other words, actually playing a sport, Jews simply don’t dominate in the same way that they do in other sports roles say, league commissioners, GMs, and owners. Perhaps they figure that there’s more profit in actually owning a team than playing for one.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    And there again, aside from the odd exception Sandy Koufax HOF LA P, can’t really recall very many Jews who have dominated on the field of MLB.

    While not quite Koufax, Hank Greenberg and Al Rosen were top 10 players in their respective eras.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @kaganovitch
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    In other words, actually playing a sport, Jews simply don’t dominate in the same way that they do in other sports roles say, league commissioners, GMs, and owners. Perhaps they figure that there’s more profit in actually owning a team than playing for one.

    I'm really not sure what that's supposed to mean. Do you imagine the decision to be a player or an owner is made centrally at some conclave of the elders of Zion? Is there an identifiable figure who you could name who had the option of taking the player track or the owner track and took the latter because it was a better deal?

  179. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    There have been decent Jewish golfers like Cory Pavin (1 major and 15 PGA wins). One of the top English golfers during their down period was Jewish but I forget his name. But, no, Jews tend not to be as fanatical about golf as WASPs and Asians.

    Among country club sports, I think Jews like tennis a little more than golf. The country club sport where Jews have done best is swimming (e.g., Mark Spitz).

    Jews are doing pretty well in baseball right now, with Max Fried so far the best of the 3 star pitchers on that one Harvard-Westlake team (along with Lucas Giolitto and Jack Flaherty).

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @anonymous

    Flaherty’s an Irish surname.

  180. Because they knew the Ivies were the gateways to political power. Country clubs and hospitals aren’t.

  181. @kaganovitch
    @Colonel Odd Bull

    General Odd Bull

    That was an ok post, but hardly worthy of a promotion in rank.

    Replies: @Colonel Odd Bull

    Takes some time to get new letterheads printed.

    General Odd Bull

    • LOL: Rob McX
  182. @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    Doesn’t it make sense more sense to moderate wage inflation with increased immigration than by raising rates?

    This attitude is absolutely ubiquitous among the gentry class. It is far from specifically Jewish. It's simply the equivalent of "We needs our weaves" for aspiring aristocracy, "We need our nannies and gardeners". As regards Ackman specifically, he is flogging what is in the interests of the companies in his portfolio rather then the interests of the working man. Were the bloated plutocrats of the pre-Jewish American past any different?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Polistra, @Colin Wright

    See Zoe Baird, Kimba Wood, and, especially the columns Anna Quindlen wrote about both. Don’t think it’s all that common except in rarefied realms, but those in those realms are influential.

  183. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Colin Wright

    I don't care about this stuff, and I don't even know about it.

    I've read books galore on various topics & Jews were over-represented in many fields. For instance- I know it's old- the best book about classical mechanics is Goldstein's; on electrodynamics is Jackson's (not a Jew); about quantum field theory Itzykson & Zuber and Peskin & Schroeder (I'd say most of them are Jews). I won't bother with mathematics where you have plenty of Jews, along with, of course, the majority of white Gentiles.

    Off the top of my head, one of the best scholar books about afterlife in the West is authored by Alan Segal; the standard mammoth Dostoevsky's bio is Joseph Frank's (along Mochulsky's); the chief translators from Russian and German are very frequently Jews (even in the case of Spanish- Edith Grossman); in my opinion, the greatest linguist is Roman Jakobson of Jewish heritage ....

    The same with dismal science.

    Of course that Gentile scholars dominate the field of the humanities (Peter Brown, Ioan Culianu, Eliade, D.G. White ....), but there are a bunch of Jews or people of significant Jewish heritage in most areas.

    There certainly exists some kind of Jewish nepotism, but those scientists & scholars who are the real deal don't need any kind of ethnic mafia.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Anonymous

    ‘…There certainly exists some kind of Jewish nepotism, but those scientists & scholars who are the real deal don’t need any kind of ethnic mafia.’

    I agree. However, the specific examples I’ve encountered are real enough.

    The first came when I was bamboozled into buying Sebag-Montefiore’s Dunkirk: to the Last Man. There was an adulatory review in Haaretz. The book itself turned out to be largely a compilation of extracts from British regimental war diaries: interesting at times, but essentially a rip-off: not an insightful or even diligent work of history by any yardstick.

    The second time at least I didn’t buy the book. It was in the library: The Invention of the Middle Ages. I thought, ‘well, that’s an interesting approach.’ Medieval history’s an interest of mine, so…

    It turned out to be a series of thumbnail biographies of great medievalists: all of whom happened to be Jews, and the author was a Jew. As you note, medieval history wouldn’t be a field dominated by Jews, so the intent was a little obvious — and of course the effect was disappointing. The book really amounted to a series of expanded Wikipedia entries, held together by not much at all. There certainly wasn’t anything to support the implied thesis that the Middle Ages were ‘invented.’

    Finally, I’ve wondered about the enduring reputation of Barbara Tuchman. I can’t say I’ve found her books to be especially compelling or insightful — but she is Jewish.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    Disagree. Tuchman had a great talent at translating academic history for the general reader.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BosTex

  184. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Mike Tre


    I’m surprised they haven’t demanded reparations from Egypt yet.
     
    As the resident theologian here, I have to point out that they already got reparations from Egypt, and did so by Divine command.

    Exodus 12:33-36

    And the Egyptians pressed the people to go forth out of the land speedily, saying: We shall all die. The people therefore took dough before it was leavened; and tying it in their cloaks, put it on their shoulders.

    And the children of Israel did as Moses had commanded: and they asked of the Egyptians vessels of silver and gold, and very much raiment. And the Lord gave favour to the people in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them: and they stripped the Egyptians.
     
    Now, before a whole lot of blasphemous ink is spilled in response to this comment, it must be remembered that the Old Testament Hebrews are not the same people as today's Rabbinical Jews, neither ethnically nor theologically, and that this incident, like every other incident recorded of this people, was meant to illustrate God's will and providence within history.

    The "Spoiling of Egypt" has prompted casuists to mull for centuries whether God sometimes permits people to steal, and cynics to suggest that the Hebrews were just putting a divine fig leaf over their own tawdry activities. The truth of the matter is that nothing was stolen. In justice, the Egyptians owed the Hebrews for all the uncompensated forced labor they had wrung out of them during the years of their bondage, so God permitted them to take possession of Egyptian goods by a mediated change of ownership.

    The point here is to demonstrate that God, as the creator of all matter and all beings, is the ultimate owner and the disposer of all property, and He may transfer ownership from one man to another in an act of restorative justice without violating His goodness. We human beings only own things fee simple, whereas it is God alone Who holds alloidial title to the universe.

    Replies: @Dmon, @Muggles, @Anon

    So “Generational trauma has consequences that demand a radical project repair…”.
    Sounds like Steve owes Rick Perlstein 10 bucks and an apology.

  185. @Colin Wright
    @Bardon Kaldian

    '...There certainly exists some kind of Jewish nepotism, but those scientists & scholars who are the real deal don’t need any kind of ethnic mafia.'

    I agree. However, the specific examples I've encountered are real enough.

    The first came when I was bamboozled into buying Sebag-Montefiore's Dunkirk: to the Last Man. There was an adulatory review in Haaretz. The book itself turned out to be largely a compilation of extracts from British regimental war diaries: interesting at times, but essentially a rip-off: not an insightful or even diligent work of history by any yardstick.

    The second time at least I didn't buy the book. It was in the library: The Invention of the Middle Ages. I thought, 'well, that's an interesting approach.' Medieval history's an interest of mine, so...

    It turned out to be a series of thumbnail biographies of great medievalists: all of whom happened to be Jews, and the author was a Jew. As you note, medieval history wouldn't be a field dominated by Jews, so the intent was a little obvious -- and of course the effect was disappointing. The book really amounted to a series of expanded Wikipedia entries, held together by not much at all. There certainly wasn't anything to support the implied thesis that the Middle Ages were 'invented.'

    Finally, I've wondered about the enduring reputation of Barbara Tuchman. I can't say I've found her books to be especially compelling or insightful -- but she is Jewish.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Disagree. Tuchman had a great talent at translating academic history for the general reader.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    Regarding Barbara Tuchmann, she was the grand-daughter of Henry Morgenthau Senior, who was Wilson’s ambassador to the Ottoman Court. Not to mention the niece of Morgenthau Junior, the author of the genocidal plan to send Germany back to the Dark Ages in 1945 by dismantling all of her industry.

    In her telling of history, however well-crafted it may have been, we can safely say that she had a certain view.

    , @BosTex
    @Art Deco

    Tuchman is a pretty good popular historian. My recollection (read in late 1980s, early 1990s) is that The Proud Tower, The Guns of August and A Distant Mirror were all very engaging, especially the latter two.

    I’ll have to go back and re-read, but I do not recall her grinding any axes, ethnic or otherwise.

    It seems pretty unfair to pull in that she was the granddaughter of so and so, etc. No one picks their relatives. Either the research and writing is good or it isn’t, her grandparents aren’t the ones doing the writing.

  186. @Father Coughlin
    There was greater parity among colleges in the 1920s. What we saw in the 1920s was the beginning of the demise of the regional college which was completed by the 1960s. These regional colleges were academically sound and people at Harvard etc. werent necessarily better students, just better-connected, because the Northeastern establishment, especially post-Civil War, ran the country. (Of course there was a slight IQ advantage as a result of the gene pool represented in the Northeast ~ but a student from Iowa was often nearly as smart and much more hardworking).

    Of course the short answer to, "Why Jews... " is that they didn't need the goyim to play golf with, and didnt trust goyim medicine, but certainly needed to be in the goyim academy to control the culture, law and finance.... and to get into medical school.

    Have you ever been to a Jewish country club? Nowhere is the difference between jews and goys more palpable.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous

    What we saw in the 1920s was the beginning of the demise of the regional college which was completed by the 1960s.

    No clue what you fancy you’re talking about.

    • Replies: @Father Coughlin
    @Art Deco

    Don't have time to explain the last 100 years of developments in higher education to you.

    But sorry my screen name triggers you.

    ps what is “denominational architecture”?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  187. @Matt Buckalew
    @Jack D

    What’s the average SAT score at your alma mater-Villanova?

    Replies: @Jack D

    I never attended Villanova. The campus is close to where I live and sometimes I walk around it. There are big crosses all over the place – it’s very Catholic. I don’t think I would have been comfortable going there and in any case I attended Ivy League schools.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    The only 'very Catholic' institutions in the United States are small colleges, and some of these have had to suffer from bad hires by boards (both Franciscan of Steubenville and the University of Dallas have had these internal conflicts). By and large, Catholic higher education is done and the residue of sisters, brothers, and regular clergy still on the campus are people of whom you should be quite wary.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Matt Buckalew
    @Jack D

    I bet. I attended Princeton it would never occur to me to say I attended an Ivy League school.

  188. @Jack D
    @Matt Buckalew

    I never attended Villanova. The campus is close to where I live and sometimes I walk around it. There are big crosses all over the place - it's very Catholic. I don't think I would have been comfortable going there and in any case I attended Ivy League schools.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Matt Buckalew

    The only ‘very Catholic’ institutions in the United States are small colleges, and some of these have had to suffer from bad hires by boards (both Franciscan of Steubenville and the University of Dallas have had these internal conflicts). By and large, Catholic higher education is done and the residue of sisters, brothers, and regular clergy still on the campus are people of whom you should be quite wary.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Again, I don't know Villanova that well (although I believe that the President of the University is always from the Catholic (Augustinian) clergy). I am only going by what I see when I walk around the place which is crosses all over the place - on top of every building, on the wall of every classroom, etc. For all I know these folks are devil worshipers otherwise but they sure hang crosses a lot including on every brand new building and that is more crosses than I would be comfortable seeing as a student or parent of a student.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Art Deco, @Houston 1992, @Jack P, @anon

  189. …The same reason Jews didn’t start farms and car factories, they let you put up the expense and elbow grease,and took the profit off of yours.

  190. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    Naturally a high class WASPY person wouldn’t want to have to rub elbows with smelly Jews. After WWII it lost respectability and came to be seen as low class rather than high class.
     
    You state the above with much assurance, but I’m not sure a Jew who grew up on a hardscrabble New Jersey chicken farm is the best spokesperson for “high class WASPY persons”.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I am certainly not a high class WASPY person and I honestly don’t think I ever even met one until my freshman year at college.

    However, since then I have rubbed elbow with these folks pretty much continuously (and I’ve been off the farm for a lot longer than I was ever on the farm). I honestly don’t think that most of them (at least the ones under age 80) are big on anti-Semitism any more and it’s not just because they won’t say it out loud. Look at revealed preference – they socialize with Jews, they partner with Jews in their banks and law firms and other businesses, their kids marry Jews, etc. This was not generally true in prior generations but it is now. Maybe there are a few died in the wool high class WASP anti-Semites left but for the most they are gone with the wind (or else they do a real good job of hiding it).

  191. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    The only 'very Catholic' institutions in the United States are small colleges, and some of these have had to suffer from bad hires by boards (both Franciscan of Steubenville and the University of Dallas have had these internal conflicts). By and large, Catholic higher education is done and the residue of sisters, brothers, and regular clergy still on the campus are people of whom you should be quite wary.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Again, I don’t know Villanova that well (although I believe that the President of the University is always from the Catholic (Augustinian) clergy). I am only going by what I see when I walk around the place which is crosses all over the place – on top of every building, on the wall of every classroom, etc. For all I know these folks are devil worshipers otherwise but they sure hang crosses a lot including on every brand new building and that is more crosses than I would be comfortable seeing as a student or parent of a student.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @Jack D

    Plenty of Jews have attended and do attend Villanova law school.

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Read Anthony Esolen's account of why he left Providence College (which retains Dominicans in consequential positions) when he had an offer over the transom from another school. Dr. Esolen had been an institutional loyalist in spite of the school's shortcomings, until the administration encouraged a campaign of harassment against him and issued denunciations of him. Note, faculty at private teaching institutions do not produce much published research and Esolen does (over and above his commentaries penned for the magazine press). Recall one of the corollaries of the Peter Principle: the supercompetent get fired, because they disrupt The System.

    What the crosses mean is that the people who want to leave them up still have the upper hand over the people who want to take them down, which means the people working on the recruitment and fundraising side of the institution still outweigh the sh!tbag faction of the faculty and the DIE apparat.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Houston 1992
    @Jack D

    So Jack what should be our cross quota? Catholics used to have crucifixions in every classroom. Was your snark about devil worshippers necessary? Okay, we get it : Jesus birth, life, crucifixion, resurrection mean nothing nothing to you.....but why the snark?

    The Christian Science textbook states "The cross is the central emblem of history. It is the lodestar [the guiding star] in the demonstration of Christian healing, —the demonstration by which sin and sickness are destroyed" (pp. 238-239)

    Replies: @epebble

    , @Jack P
    @Jack D

    I've taken a casual look at Catholic universities websites lately and they all have the Marxist DEI crud on them. All of them that I can tell, except for maybe the explicitly right wing ones (I didn't check those).

    Also, Notre Dame football posted a pro BLM video in 2020, while the basketball teams at the Catholic Big East schools wore BLM on jerseys. These schools have almost no true Catholic identity, or worse, they use that identity to support Marxist causes.

    , @anon
    @Jack D


    they sure hang crosses a lot including on every brand new building and that is more crosses than I would be comfortable seeing as a student or parent of a student.
     
    Why on earth would you be bothered by the sight of crosses?

    Replies: @Jack D, @HammerJack

  192. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Jews have always done pretty well in MLB, but on the side of the field (e.g. Front office, GM, and ownership of clubs)

    And there again, aside from the odd exception Sandy Koufax HOF LA P, can't really recall very many Jews who have dominated on the field of MLB. In other words, actually playing a sport, Jews simply don't dominate in the same way that they do in other sports roles say, league commissioners, GMs, and owners. Perhaps they figure that there's more profit in actually owning a team than playing for one.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch

    And there again, aside from the odd exception Sandy Koufax HOF LA P, can’t really recall very many Jews who have dominated on the field of MLB.

    While not quite Koufax, Hank Greenberg and Al Rosen were top 10 players in their respective eras.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @kaganovitch

    Speaking of RBI machine Greenberg, does anyone else feel like, after DiMaggio's hitting streak, that Hack Wilson's 191 RBIs is baseball's unbreakable record?

    It endured through the PED Era. 98 years and counting.

  193. @Chrisnonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Where'd another important point, too, which was revealed when he pointd out that the IC had multiple ways to get Trump if he crossed them--he's afraid. He may be evil, too, but I think he is afraid of the Deep State as well.

    Replies: @scrivener3

    Don’t you think all of Washington is afraid of the deep state? The pubs are silent on the abuses by the FBI, the corruption of politicians family members, the lack of accountability by wrongdoers in high places.

    They say put us in control so we can fix things – but their fix seems to be make Trump and his issues go away and get back to graft as usual.

    I think the Deep State is not a cabal of wealthy people but simply people in administrative positions of power (like DA’s and Federal Police and CIA spooks) who are not accountable to anyone other then their co-administrators. Musk and Zukerberg and Buffet are not running things except for minor favors from Washington to benefit themselves in return for pledging allegiance to the deep state.

  194. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Jews have always done pretty well in MLB, but on the side of the field (e.g. Front office, GM, and ownership of clubs)

    And there again, aside from the odd exception Sandy Koufax HOF LA P, can't really recall very many Jews who have dominated on the field of MLB. In other words, actually playing a sport, Jews simply don't dominate in the same way that they do in other sports roles say, league commissioners, GMs, and owners. Perhaps they figure that there's more profit in actually owning a team than playing for one.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @kaganovitch

    In other words, actually playing a sport, Jews simply don’t dominate in the same way that they do in other sports roles say, league commissioners, GMs, and owners. Perhaps they figure that there’s more profit in actually owning a team than playing for one.

    I’m really not sure what that’s supposed to mean. Do you imagine the decision to be a player or an owner is made centrally at some conclave of the elders of Zion? Is there an identifiable figure who you could name who had the option of taking the player track or the owner track and took the latter because it was a better deal?

  195. @Jack D
    @Matt Buckalew

    I never attended Villanova. The campus is close to where I live and sometimes I walk around it. There are big crosses all over the place - it's very Catholic. I don't think I would have been comfortable going there and in any case I attended Ivy League schools.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Matt Buckalew

    I bet. I attended Princeton it would never occur to me to say I attended an Ivy League school.

  196. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Again, I don't know Villanova that well (although I believe that the President of the University is always from the Catholic (Augustinian) clergy). I am only going by what I see when I walk around the place which is crosses all over the place - on top of every building, on the wall of every classroom, etc. For all I know these folks are devil worshipers otherwise but they sure hang crosses a lot including on every brand new building and that is more crosses than I would be comfortable seeing as a student or parent of a student.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Art Deco, @Houston 1992, @Jack P, @anon

    Plenty of Jews have attended and do attend Villanova law school.

  197. @PiltdownMan
    @JimB

    Nobel counting by university is hard to do, because the research that Nobelists earn the prize for may have been done at one or more universities. What most such rankings count is the number of faculty at each university who have Nobels, even if their prize winning work was done elsewhere, or at more than one institution.

    Here's a somewhat better list(perhaps) that counts Nobels since the year 2000 by university "affiliation", i.e. current and former faculty, or researchers who did their work at that university and moved on, and so on. Usefully, the table includes a column for science prize totals.

    Any way you look at it, Harvard is remarkable, and the table reveals, for instance, that a couple of the Ivies, Dartmouth and Brown, are nowhere near the others.

    https://i.imgur.com/0UDodeZ.jpg

    Replies: @Polistra, @Muggles

    It would be far more revealing to list these places by # of Nobel Laureates who teach at least one undergraduate class or section per semester.

    Then the same for grad classes.

    Any place with a nice enough environment and willingness to pay for say, an expensive nuclear accelerator (or is easily affiliated with the US govt. science establishment, like say, UC Berkeley) can get a quota of Nobel holders.

    Now if they did this for the fake Nobels now handed out for “literature” and poets, you’d have a different list. Mainly heavily feminist and/or commie places where such creatures get cushy sinecures and rarely talk to actual students. Well, maybe for seduction…

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
  198. @Anonymous

    It’s striking that Jews created many of their own country clubs and hospitals, but only a couple of their own colleges (Brandeis and Yeshiva).
     
    Were the hospitals the jews created, created to treat jews exclusively? Why did they do that?

    Replies: @Muggles, @Yngvar

    Were the hospitals the jews created, created to treat jews exclusively?

    That reminds me of the old joke about which hospital to go to for major surgery.

    a. Cook County General — no, unless you’ll die immediately otherwise

    b. St. Peter’s Hospital — well maybe, if you know the doctor and he went to a good med school.

    c. All Union Methodist — okay, probably pretty good

    d. Beth Israel — Yes! But expect no discounts…

  199. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Mike Tre


    I’m surprised they haven’t demanded reparations from Egypt yet.
     
    As the resident theologian here, I have to point out that they already got reparations from Egypt, and did so by Divine command.

    Exodus 12:33-36

    And the Egyptians pressed the people to go forth out of the land speedily, saying: We shall all die. The people therefore took dough before it was leavened; and tying it in their cloaks, put it on their shoulders.

    And the children of Israel did as Moses had commanded: and they asked of the Egyptians vessels of silver and gold, and very much raiment. And the Lord gave favour to the people in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them: and they stripped the Egyptians.
     
    Now, before a whole lot of blasphemous ink is spilled in response to this comment, it must be remembered that the Old Testament Hebrews are not the same people as today's Rabbinical Jews, neither ethnically nor theologically, and that this incident, like every other incident recorded of this people, was meant to illustrate God's will and providence within history.

    The "Spoiling of Egypt" has prompted casuists to mull for centuries whether God sometimes permits people to steal, and cynics to suggest that the Hebrews were just putting a divine fig leaf over their own tawdry activities. The truth of the matter is that nothing was stolen. In justice, the Egyptians owed the Hebrews for all the uncompensated forced labor they had wrung out of them during the years of their bondage, so God permitted them to take possession of Egyptian goods by a mediated change of ownership.

    The point here is to demonstrate that God, as the creator of all matter and all beings, is the ultimate owner and the disposer of all property, and He may transfer ownership from one man to another in an act of restorative justice without violating His goodness. We human beings only own things fee simple, whereas it is God alone Who holds alloidial title to the universe.

    Replies: @Dmon, @Muggles, @Anon

    The point here is to demonstrate that God, as the creator of all matter and all beings, is the ultimate owner and the disposer of all property, and He may transfer ownership from one man to another in an act of restorative justice without violating His goodness.

    So you’re saying that “God told me to steal your BMW” is theologically sound?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Muggles

    My God, it's like talking to children here. Illiterate children.

  200. @bjdubbs
    Are there any all-Jewish coops in New York that aren't Hasidic or orthodox? We hear about coops discriminating against Jews but I've never heard of Jewish coops discriminating in favor of Jews. I could be wrong. And if Jews don't want to live exclusively with other Jews, why would they want to go to a Jewish college? Brandeis is about 60% Jewish and is mostly recent generation.

    Replies: @bjdubbs, @ATBOTL

    There are a few. Some bimbo jewish NYC cop posed for Playboy magazine in the 90’s.

  201. @Muggles
    @Intelligent Dasein


    The point here is to demonstrate that God, as the creator of all matter and all beings, is the ultimate owner and the disposer of all property, and He may transfer ownership from one man to another in an act of restorative justice without violating His goodness.
     
    So you're saying that "God told me to steal your BMW" is theologically sound?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    My God, it’s like talking to children here. Illiterate children.

    • LOL: Muggles
  202. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Again, I don't know Villanova that well (although I believe that the President of the University is always from the Catholic (Augustinian) clergy). I am only going by what I see when I walk around the place which is crosses all over the place - on top of every building, on the wall of every classroom, etc. For all I know these folks are devil worshipers otherwise but they sure hang crosses a lot including on every brand new building and that is more crosses than I would be comfortable seeing as a student or parent of a student.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Art Deco, @Houston 1992, @Jack P, @anon

    Read Anthony Esolen’s account of why he left Providence College (which retains Dominicans in consequential positions) when he had an offer over the transom from another school. Dr. Esolen had been an institutional loyalist in spite of the school’s shortcomings, until the administration encouraged a campaign of harassment against him and issued denunciations of him. Note, faculty at private teaching institutions do not produce much published research and Esolen does (over and above his commentaries penned for the magazine press). Recall one of the corollaries of the Peter Principle: the supercompetent get fired, because they disrupt The System.

    What the crosses mean is that the people who want to leave them up still have the upper hand over the people who want to take them down, which means the people working on the recruitment and fundraising side of the institution still outweigh the sh!tbag faction of the faculty and the DIE apparat.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    TBH, I'm not interested in Esolen's story. My head is stuffed full of enough useless knowledge already and you have to draw the line somewhere.

  203. @epebble
    @AnotherDad

    Doesn’t it make more sense to moderate wage inflation with increased immigration than by raising rates?

    Even without familiarity with economics, that is an easy question to answer. Moderate wage inflation can happen due to any number of reasons - scarcity of workers, lower productivity of workers, lower skill level of workers, lower labor force participation, collective bargaining advantage for workers over to managers etc., Increased immigration just increases number of workers without addressing other causes. For example, if worker productivity is lower, that can't be solved by immigrants. It can only be fixed by increasing skill level or productivity by other means (e.g. capital).

    Another issue is, wage inflation may be transitory. Fixing it by increased immigration is a poor solution as it can't be easily reversed when wage inflation ceases or goes negative.

    Raising rates is also not a great long-term solution. But, that is the only button the Fed has, so they will keep pushing it. Long term solution may be increased skill level or productivity. But that can't be controlled by government.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    But, that is the only button the Fed has,

    It isn’t.

  204. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Again, I don't know Villanova that well (although I believe that the President of the University is always from the Catholic (Augustinian) clergy). I am only going by what I see when I walk around the place which is crosses all over the place - on top of every building, on the wall of every classroom, etc. For all I know these folks are devil worshipers otherwise but they sure hang crosses a lot including on every brand new building and that is more crosses than I would be comfortable seeing as a student or parent of a student.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Art Deco, @Houston 1992, @Jack P, @anon

    So Jack what should be our cross quota? Catholics used to have crucifixions in every classroom. Was your snark about devil worshippers necessary? Okay, we get it : Jesus birth, life, crucifixion, resurrection mean nothing nothing to you…..but why the snark?

    The Christian Science textbook states “The cross is the central emblem of history. It is the lodestar [the guiding star] in the demonstration of Christian healing, —the demonstration by which sin and sickness are destroyed” (pp. 238-239)

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Houston 1992

    Catholics used to have crucifixions in every classroom.

    That reminded me of a joke. A Jewish mother was exasperated with her recalcitrant son who was being expelled by every school she put him in for his behavior. Finally, very reluctantly, she brought him to a Catholic school and explained to the principal the son's problems. The principal listened and agreed to take the boy to the school. After a few weeks of receiving no complaints from the school, she was pleasantly surprised and wanted to find out what did the catholic school do to make her son behave. When she went to the school and asked the principal, he pointed to the large cross (with Jesus) in his office and said - "I called the boy and showed him the crucifix, and explained: last time a Jew caused trouble, look what they did to him". After that, the boy has been on his best behavior.

    Replies: @Jack D

  205. @p s c
    All Kennedy's since old man Joe went to Harvard. No Boston College or Holy Cross for them. Yet the daughters all go to Manhatanville College.

    William F Buckley was a Yalie.

    Kennedys and Buckley all went to Protestant prep/boarding schools.

    Patrick J Buchanan went to Gonzaga High in DC and then to Georgetown which was a natural progression as Gonzaga was a prep school for Georgetown. Did PJB consider going to any other school such as an Ivy?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Houston 1992, @ScarletNumber

    PJB attended and graduated Columbia School of Journalism on academic scholarship

  206. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Again, I don't know Villanova that well (although I believe that the President of the University is always from the Catholic (Augustinian) clergy). I am only going by what I see when I walk around the place which is crosses all over the place - on top of every building, on the wall of every classroom, etc. For all I know these folks are devil worshipers otherwise but they sure hang crosses a lot including on every brand new building and that is more crosses than I would be comfortable seeing as a student or parent of a student.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Art Deco, @Houston 1992, @Jack P, @anon

    I’ve taken a casual look at Catholic universities websites lately and they all have the Marxist DEI crud on them. All of them that I can tell, except for maybe the explicitly right wing ones (I didn’t check those).

    Also, Notre Dame football posted a pro BLM video in 2020, while the basketball teams at the Catholic Big East schools wore BLM on jerseys. These schools have almost no true Catholic identity, or worse, they use that identity to support Marxist causes.

  207. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Read Anthony Esolen's account of why he left Providence College (which retains Dominicans in consequential positions) when he had an offer over the transom from another school. Dr. Esolen had been an institutional loyalist in spite of the school's shortcomings, until the administration encouraged a campaign of harassment against him and issued denunciations of him. Note, faculty at private teaching institutions do not produce much published research and Esolen does (over and above his commentaries penned for the magazine press). Recall one of the corollaries of the Peter Principle: the supercompetent get fired, because they disrupt The System.

    What the crosses mean is that the people who want to leave them up still have the upper hand over the people who want to take them down, which means the people working on the recruitment and fundraising side of the institution still outweigh the sh!tbag faction of the faculty and the DIE apparat.

    Replies: @Jack D

    TBH, I’m not interested in Esolen’s story. My head is stuffed full of enough useless knowledge already and you have to draw the line somewhere.

  208. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.
     
    It’s amazing how effortlessly self-unaware you are in shifting from “flight from white” to “fellow whites” and back again as sophistic convenience dictates on the same blog, sometimes even on the same thread.

    Replies: @Jack D

    There is no contradiction – I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world. This is an Arab proverb but in reality the whole world works this way.

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    There is no contradiction – I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world.
     
    Did you just admit that your goal is to use gentile whites to lord over the nonwhites, and then to use your fellow Jews to lord over the gentile whites, and then hope to lord over the Jews, with yourself atop? So all this "suffering Jews in America" trope is just a device to guilt-trip and manipulate the "fellow whites"?

    No wonder you and yours don't understand the culture of self-sacrifice and noblesse oblige.

    Are you trying to fan the flame of anti-Jewish sentiments here? I mentioned this before, but sometimes I think you are actually not Jewish, but someone who intends to malign Jews through sock-puppetry and excessively stereotypical negative behaviors.

    This is an Arab proverb but in reality the whole world works this way.
     
    No, that's not how the whole world works. That's how those of you with the Levantine culture of treachery have made the world once in power.

    No one group is perfect, but my wife's people - the Anglo-Germanics of America - are more of the res publica (in the context of "commonwealth") and "love thy neighbor" cultural bent that tends to benefit the whole and create a more harmonious society than your desert tribal supremacism.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Polistra

    , @James B. Shearer
    @Jack D

    There is no contradiction – I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world. This is an Arab proverb but in reality the whole world works this way."

    Sure but generally one fight at a time. You don't keep nagging your brother about the $100 bucks he supposedly owes you at the same time you want his help against your cousin.

  209. @Bardon Kaldian
    Let's be frank: admitting all their merits, Ivies are more about status, social connections, elitism & snobbery.

    Dubya & Trump & Kushner graduated from the Ivies & they're all suited better for Podunk.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

    admitting all their merits, Ivies are more about status, social connections, elitism & snobbery.

    Your first clause contradicts your second one.

  210. Anon[960] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    @Mike Tre


    I’m surprised they haven’t demanded reparations from Egypt yet.
     
    As the resident theologian here, I have to point out that they already got reparations from Egypt, and did so by Divine command.

    Exodus 12:33-36

    And the Egyptians pressed the people to go forth out of the land speedily, saying: We shall all die. The people therefore took dough before it was leavened; and tying it in their cloaks, put it on their shoulders.

    And the children of Israel did as Moses had commanded: and they asked of the Egyptians vessels of silver and gold, and very much raiment. And the Lord gave favour to the people in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them: and they stripped the Egyptians.
     
    Now, before a whole lot of blasphemous ink is spilled in response to this comment, it must be remembered that the Old Testament Hebrews are not the same people as today's Rabbinical Jews, neither ethnically nor theologically, and that this incident, like every other incident recorded of this people, was meant to illustrate God's will and providence within history.

    The "Spoiling of Egypt" has prompted casuists to mull for centuries whether God sometimes permits people to steal, and cynics to suggest that the Hebrews were just putting a divine fig leaf over their own tawdry activities. The truth of the matter is that nothing was stolen. In justice, the Egyptians owed the Hebrews for all the uncompensated forced labor they had wrung out of them during the years of their bondage, so God permitted them to take possession of Egyptian goods by a mediated change of ownership.

    The point here is to demonstrate that God, as the creator of all matter and all beings, is the ultimate owner and the disposer of all property, and He may transfer ownership from one man to another in an act of restorative justice without violating His goodness. We human beings only own things fee simple, whereas it is God alone Who holds alloidial title to the universe.

    Replies: @Dmon, @Muggles, @Anon

    it must be remembered that the Old Testament Hebrews are not the same people as today’s Rabbinical Jews, neither ethnically nor theologically

    So much for the Jews’ claim to Palestine.

    In justice, the Egyptians owed the Hebrews for all the uncompensated forced labor they had wrung out of them during the years of their bondage

    Not even close. The Egyptians provided the Hebrews with the most important things in life: food, shelter, security, the opportunity to procreate. It is the Hebrews who owe the Egyptians.

  211. @BosTex
    @Joe Stalin

    Or People’s Republic of Massachusetts. What a terrible weapon.

    If you are going to keep a gun for self defense, always keep something that works, 100% of the time.

    I keep a ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp
    In the glove compartment. With an additional speed loader.

    That thing is guaranteed to work today or if I need it 20 years from today. (Always treat your guns nicely.)

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    I keep a ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp. In the glove compartment. With an additional speed loader.

    Is there a risk it or the bullets could accidentally go off and shoot you if you got into an accident?

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Anonymous

    I suppose. Hadn’t considered it. Seems pretty unlikely. heavy trigger pull.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Anonymous


    Is there a risk it or the bullets could accidentally go off and shoot you if you got into an accident?
     
    I sincerely doubt it.

    Transfer bar mechanism provides an unparalleled measure of security against accidental discharge.

    https://ruger.com/products/sp101/overview.html
     
    This means the hammer cannot impact the inertia firing pin unless one pulls the trigger.

    The US Army has a drop test for munitions; assuming that this applies to smallarms rounds:

    The 40-foot Drop Test stand is a caged area with a thick steel base where test articles are dropped from a height of 40 feet to assess their reaction to the impact.

    "Inadvertent initiation and detonation of our own conventional munitions in the last 50 years has caused catastrophic damage," Wilkinson said. "Some of these were caused by unplanned reactions but with RTC's state-of-the art testing capabilities we are committed to providing the best weapons and explosive devices fielded for our military."

    https://www.army.mil/article/130165/army_test_center_adapts_munitions_to_evolving_needs
     
  212. @kaganovitch
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Sorry, ol’ chap, I was hoping for something a bit more Shakespearean, or at least Larry Davidian… ‘Hath not a fellow Nutmegger hands, organs, dimensions, senses, an affinity for gin and tonics’, that sort of thing.”

    Sad to say, my experience with the veritas that vino elicits has always been disappointing. We live in hope, though.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Sad to say, my experience with the veritas that vino elicits has always been disappointing. We live in hope, though.

    If the social situation presents itself, double the dosage in half the time and aim for surreal congeniality. Just don’t veer into vino vomitus!

    I’ll float a recommendation to the crew for another look:

    “Yeah, that guy. Goes by ‘kaganovitch.’ Arch, I know. I call him ‘k.’ But he’s a mensch, as they say. And he’s a hoot when he’s fully on the sauce… Where? Sailer’s blog. Isn’t Steve flying out for a foursome at the fundraiser next week? Anyway, k is generous with the LOLs. Yeah, me! I know, I know. And he doesn’t get riled at criticism of Canadians—real even keel. Not a suck-up either. Could be good to send it back to the Skipper.”

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thanks, I think.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  213. anonymous[792] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    There have been decent Jewish golfers like Cory Pavin (1 major and 15 PGA wins). One of the top English golfers during their down period was Jewish but I forget his name. But, no, Jews tend not to be as fanatical about golf as WASPs and Asians.

    Among country club sports, I think Jews like tennis a little more than golf. The country club sport where Jews have done best is swimming (e.g., Mark Spitz).

    Jews are doing pretty well in baseball right now, with Max Fried so far the best of the 3 star pitchers on that one Harvard-Westlake team (along with Lucas Giolitto and Jack Flaherty).

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @anonymous

    But, no, Jews tend not to be as fanatical about golf as WASPs and Asians.

    Come now Steve. Jews simply tend not to be good athletes compared to Europeans and Asians. Full stop.

    Ostensible jews who do find success at sports almost always have a boost from recent European admixture.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    But you don't need to be a great athlete to be a good golfer: e.g., Tom Kite.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Jack P
    @anonymous

    Apparently Aaron Rodgers has some Jewish in him.

    Also, Asian men aren't exactly lighting it up in sports.

    Replies: @anonymous

  214. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Anecdote is not the singular of data. Any Jew who makes a big deal about being excluded from a country club is definitely a jerk but I don't think this is actually a major preoccupation of Jews. I have heard more about Jews not getting into country clubs on Unz than I EVER heard in my real life.

    It sure as hell wasn't where I grew up, where there was exactly 1 golf course (made out of the last dairy farm in the area) and it was public. OTOH getting into college WAS a big deal for me and my circle of friends, Jewish and non-Jewish and I would have been REALLY (and I think rightly) pissed if I wasn't able to get into the college of my choice based on my religion rather than my qualifications. Fortunately, I missed that but only by a decade so this was not some sort of ancient history.

    The country club thing is a bad faith argument - no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    I know that there are people here who feel that discrimination should be part of the right of free association of private businesses and institutions but I think the Holocaust lifted the scales from the eyes of American Jews. If you look at what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler did not come to power one day and the next day start building gas chambers - it was much more gradual that that, taking place over the space of almost a decade. Jew in Germany had their rights stripped away one by one and not all at once. So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that "polite" or "social" discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres. The fact that early America was remarkably free from prejudice against Jews (not that there were many Jews) but over time more and more things in America became closed to them in the 20th century certainly pointed in this direction.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @BosTex, @Twinkie, @Colin Wright, @anonymous, @Twinkie, @Truth

    Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    Jews discriminate against other groups. You have little standing to complain about other groups discriminating against jews.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  215. @conatus
    In fact, if we take an IQ of 145 as a cutoff for genius and assume that Jews were around 3.4% of the White US population in 1950, there were nearly 4 times more non-Jewish White geniuses in the US than Jewish geniuses. If we use 130 as a benchmark for at least vastly easing the path to upward mobility, there were over 6 times more non-Jewish Whites in this category than Jews. And there would have been a much greater disparity in England where Jews were less than 1% of the population.

    Europeans certainly do not need Jews to develop or maintain their civilization.The successful erection of the culture of critique is much more about ethnic networking and dominating key points in the cultural food chain — especially elite academic institutions and the media — than it is about IQ.

    For example, even correcting for IQ, Jews are massively overrepresented at Ivy League universities compared to Whites. In 1998, Jews represented around 25–33% of Harvard undergraduates compared to around 25% non-Jewish Whites. In 2000 the Jewish population was around 3% of the non-Hispanic White population. On the basis of IQ, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or 4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio was at most 1 to 1. But even this may underestimate the gap because it’s hard to believe that all Harvard students have at least an IQ of 130. Could it be that that Jared Kushner’s route to Harvard is not at all unusual for Jews these days?

    Replies: @Tony Lawless, @Polistra, @JimDandy, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Dutch Boy

    Okay, so what is your plan?

  216. Anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    @Colin Wright

    I don't care about this stuff, and I don't even know about it.

    I've read books galore on various topics & Jews were over-represented in many fields. For instance- I know it's old- the best book about classical mechanics is Goldstein's; on electrodynamics is Jackson's (not a Jew); about quantum field theory Itzykson & Zuber and Peskin & Schroeder (I'd say most of them are Jews). I won't bother with mathematics where you have plenty of Jews, along with, of course, the majority of white Gentiles.

    Off the top of my head, one of the best scholar books about afterlife in the West is authored by Alan Segal; the standard mammoth Dostoevsky's bio is Joseph Frank's (along Mochulsky's); the chief translators from Russian and German are very frequently Jews (even in the case of Spanish- Edith Grossman); in my opinion, the greatest linguist is Roman Jakobson of Jewish heritage ....

    The same with dismal science.

    Of course that Gentile scholars dominate the field of the humanities (Peter Brown, Ioan Culianu, Eliade, D.G. White ....), but there are a bunch of Jews or people of significant Jewish heritage in most areas.

    There certainly exists some kind of Jewish nepotism, but those scientists & scholars who are the real deal don't need any kind of ethnic mafia.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Anonymous

    I’ve read books galore on various topics & Jews were over-represented in many fields.

    Intelligence is a factor, for sure. But we rarely hear motivation discussed as a factor. Jews are particularly obsessed with power, controlling discourse, and controlling what passes for “knowledge” in a society. What with another Holocaust hanging over their heads like the sword of Damocles, it is understandable, isn’t it?

  217. Anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Father Coughlin
    There was greater parity among colleges in the 1920s. What we saw in the 1920s was the beginning of the demise of the regional college which was completed by the 1960s. These regional colleges were academically sound and people at Harvard etc. werent necessarily better students, just better-connected, because the Northeastern establishment, especially post-Civil War, ran the country. (Of course there was a slight IQ advantage as a result of the gene pool represented in the Northeast ~ but a student from Iowa was often nearly as smart and much more hardworking).

    Of course the short answer to, "Why Jews... " is that they didn't need the goyim to play golf with, and didnt trust goyim medicine, but certainly needed to be in the goyim academy to control the culture, law and finance.... and to get into medical school.

    Have you ever been to a Jewish country club? Nowhere is the difference between jews and goys more palpable.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Anonymous

    Of course the short answer to, “Why Jews… ” is that they didn’t need the goyim to play golf with, and didnt trust goyim medicine.

    What is wrong with Western medicine? Haven’t Europeans been just as good in medicine as jews have?

    Have you ever been to a Jewish country club? Nowhere is the difference between jews and goys more palpable.

    How do the clubs differ, and how so jews and goys differ?

  218. @anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    But, no, Jews tend not to be as fanatical about golf as WASPs and Asians.
     
    Come now Steve. Jews simply tend not to be good athletes compared to Europeans and Asians. Full stop.

    Ostensible jews who do find success at sports almost always have a boost from recent European admixture.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack P

    But you don’t need to be a great athlete to be a good golfer: e.g., Tom Kite.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Steve Sailer


    But you don’t need to be a great athlete to be a good golfer
     
    It might not be "necessary," but it surely helps. A lot. It's still a sport (albeit one with many non-physical elements), so superior physical attributes are certainly a big plus.

    And the contention you elided that Jews, on average, are not good athletes is borne out by data, no? And, isn't there some plausible scientific explanation for that, too, since the particular conditions Jews underwent over generations that selected for high verbal intelligence might have selected for lower athletic ability as well?

    After all, being a successful Hofjude or a tax farmer required an ability for intrigue and financial acumen, not martial valor.

    Mind you, this is not set in stone. As I mentioned in the past, Jews of pre-World War II Hungary hankered for assimilation and social respectability from the Magyars, so took avidly to military service and fencing (they produced numerous fencing champions for Hungary).
  219. @Art Deco
    @Father Coughlin

    What we saw in the 1920s was the beginning of the demise of the regional college which was completed by the 1960s.

    No clue what you fancy you're talking about.

    Replies: @Father Coughlin

    Don’t have time to explain the last 100 years of developments in higher education to you.

    But sorry my screen name triggers you.

    ps what is “denominational architecture”?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Father Coughlin

    He was a monetary crank, and no I don't care. Again, no clue why you fancy regional colleges have disappeared. That's demonstrably untrue.

  220. @Anonymous

    It’s striking that Jews created many of their own country clubs and hospitals, but only a couple of their own colleges (Brandeis and Yeshiva).
     
    Were the hospitals the jews created, created to treat jews exclusively? Why did they do that?

    Replies: @Muggles, @Yngvar

    Were the hospitals the jews created, created to treat jews exclusively.

    No, I suppose it was for practical reasons. Having a rabbi on call, religious observance, dietary requirements and so on, is easier to ensure when Jews run the place.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Yngvar



    Were the hospitals the jews created, created to treat jews exclusively
     
    .

    No, I suppose it was for practical reasons. Having a rabbi on call, religious observance, dietary requirements and so on, is easier to ensure when Jews run the place.
     
    Does that mean that most of the patients at a Jewish hospital were Jewish?

    Replies: @Yngvar

  221. Anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    Disagree. Tuchman had a great talent at translating academic history for the general reader.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BosTex

    Regarding Barbara Tuchmann, she was the grand-daughter of Henry Morgenthau Senior, who was Wilson’s ambassador to the Ottoman Court. Not to mention the niece of Morgenthau Junior, the author of the genocidal plan to send Germany back to the Dark Ages in 1945 by dismantling all of her industry.

    In her telling of history, however well-crafted it may have been, we can safely say that she had a certain view.

  222. @Polistra
    @conatus

    Speaking of...


    https://i.ibb.co/rxc3tSH/Screenshot-20220924-211258-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Replies: @Rob McX

    I can think of something worse than a second Biden term – Trump again with Kushner pulling the strings.

  223. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    There is no contradiction - I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world. This is an Arab proverb but in reality the whole world works this way.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @James B. Shearer

    There is no contradiction – I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world.

    Did you just admit that your goal is to use gentile whites to lord over the nonwhites, and then to use your fellow Jews to lord over the gentile whites, and then hope to lord over the Jews, with yourself atop? So all this “suffering Jews in America” trope is just a device to guilt-trip and manipulate the “fellow whites”?

    No wonder you and yours don’t understand the culture of self-sacrifice and noblesse oblige.

    Are you trying to fan the flame of anti-Jewish sentiments here? I mentioned this before, but sometimes I think you are actually not Jewish, but someone who intends to malign Jews through sock-puppetry and excessively stereotypical negative behaviors.

    This is an Arab proverb but in reality the whole world works this way.

    No, that’s not how the whole world works. That’s how those of you with the Levantine culture of treachery have made the world once in power.

    No one group is perfect, but my wife’s people – the Anglo-Germanics of America – are more of the res publica (in the context of “commonwealth”) and “love thy neighbor” cultural bent that tends to benefit the whole and create a more harmonious society than your desert tribal supremacism.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Twinkie

    No, that’s not how the whole world works. That’s how those of you with the Levantine culture of treachery have made the world once in power."

    Actually it is although sometimes phrased differently as something like myself ahead of my brother, my brother ahead of my cousin, my cousin ahead of my countryman and my countryman ahead of a foreigner. The idea being most people don't feel equally obliged to everyone but feel a complex web of obligations which lead them to respond to some appeals for help but not others by people similarly situated.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Polistra
    @Twinkie


    Are you trying to fan the flame of anti-Jewish sentiments here?
     
    I've wondered about this on occasion. It's as though he's deliberately inhabiting some serious antisemitic stereotypes for fun and profit, or something. Time after time he exhibits the characteristic disdain for the good of humanity while maintaining an endless, exclusive and almost absurd focus on the care and feeding of the Tribe.

    Someone else here conjectured that if it weren't for his visceral hatred of the schvartzes he might not be here at all. But then who would micromanage every utterance of the goyim on this site?

    Coincidentally or otherwise, yes the Christian precepts of forgiveness, charity, loving one's enemies, and especially of "turning the other cheek" are very foreign (anathema!) to the "eye for an eye" people.

  224. @Hibernian
    @Tony Lawless

    Brandeis might be close in academic quality just as Illinois and Wisconsin are. Yeshiva is Orthodox and might not have the same access to money or emphasis on other than religious scholarship.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Brandeis might be close in academic quality just as Illinois and Wisconsin are.

    Illinois and Wisconsin are close in quality to Harvard and Yale??

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    Quite possibly. Norman Cantor "For all their elaborate procedures [in reviewing candidates for tenure], they have a history department that's no better than ten others." Ill wager if you look at citation patterns delineated in Web of Science, you wouldn't discover the Ivy League was more productive that the general run of research universities. Cantor had a tale of a Harvard professor he'd known ca. 1955 whose entire professional output consisted of two papers, "one of which was wrong and the other of which was unreadable". For decades they had John Kenneth Galbraith on their faculty, even though he published little scholarly literature (I had a hard time finding any when I tried to pull together a bibliography of his work). As for their teaching, Thos. Sowell has been making the case for decades that the actual value-added of elite education is challenging to detect in the professional arc of their graduates. Have a look at the capsule biographies of Fortune 500 CEOs. Ivy is there, but so are non-Ivy private universities, state universities, large teaching institutions like Hofstra, as well as those with no degree (e.g. Michael Dell). The one place where Ivy is the norm is the federal appellate judiciary.

    Replies: @HammerJack

  225. Anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    If you asked me that question and you were my teacher, I know what answer would get me a high grade: The Jews are a parasite on Christian America and as such prefer to undermine existing institutions than to build their own.

    Otherwise, I think the answer is that newly-arrived Jews actually did set up quite a few institutions of higher learning — to train rabbis. Which is exactly analogous to the role Harvard, Yale and Princeton played when they were founded by Anglo-Saxon newcomers.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    If you asked me that question and you were my teacher, I know what answer would get me a high grade: The Jews are a parasite on Christian America and as such prefer to undermine existing institutions than to build their own.

    That’s a cheap shot. You should know better.

    Otherwise, I think the answer is that newly-arrived Jews actually did set up quite a few institutions of higher learning — to train rabbis. Which is exactly analogous to the role Harvard, Yale and Princeton played when they were founded by Anglo-Saxon newcomers.

    They weren’t newcomers. They were founders.

  226. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    But you don't need to be a great athlete to be a good golfer: e.g., Tom Kite.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    But you don’t need to be a great athlete to be a good golfer

    It might not be “necessary,” but it surely helps. A lot. It’s still a sport (albeit one with many non-physical elements), so superior physical attributes are certainly a big plus.

    And the contention you elided that Jews, on average, are not good athletes is borne out by data, no? And, isn’t there some plausible scientific explanation for that, too, since the particular conditions Jews underwent over generations that selected for high verbal intelligence might have selected for lower athletic ability as well?

    After all, being a successful Hofjude or a tax farmer required an ability for intrigue and financial acumen, not martial valor.

    Mind you, this is not set in stone. As I mentioned in the past, Jews of pre-World War II Hungary hankered for assimilation and social respectability from the Magyars, so took avidly to military service and fencing (they produced numerous fencing champions for Hungary).

  227. @Anon
    My middling ranked west coast Yacht Club has been ruined by the admission of a Jewish couple who had been black balled for 3 years but finally got in via suspected blackmail on the blackballing members. This single inappropriate couple has rui

    Replies: @CharleszMartel, @Anon

    My middling ranked west coast Yacht Club has been ruined by the admission of a Jewish couple who had been black balled for 3 years but finally got in via suspected blackmail on the blackballing members. This single inappropriate couple has ruined

    How did they ruin the club?

  228. @Buzz Mohawk
    The following is a retelling of something I think I once mentioned here:

    One evening a few years ago, I was voting at the one polling place in our little town, when Ken Burns walked up to me...

    No wait. Wrong town.

    A drunk Jew* walked up to me and asked where I was from. Instead of going into biographical details about the Ooold West and both coasts, I just told him the town we had moved from, which is just the next one over.

    He responded, "Oh, [that town]!" They wouldn't let me into their club!" He did not say this in a nice way.

    There is a club on the shore there with a little beach and a nice golf course. Golf addicts like Jack Welch of GE fame have been members...

    My response was, "I'm from out west."

    His then was, "What does that mean?"

    "It means I don't know what you're talking about," though I did.

    So here in the 21st century, on the East Coast -- where in my observation ethnic sensitivities run stronger than in the middle part of the country -- here was a Jewish guy, drunk at the polling place, making an issue of where I was from and how, supposedly, he was kept out of a local club.

    *Those do exist.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @BB753, @Anon

    Instead of going into biographical details about the Ooold West and both coasts,

    What is this even a reference to?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon

    It is a reference to where I am actually "from."

  229. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Anecdote is not the singular of data. Any Jew who makes a big deal about being excluded from a country club is definitely a jerk but I don't think this is actually a major preoccupation of Jews. I have heard more about Jews not getting into country clubs on Unz than I EVER heard in my real life.

    It sure as hell wasn't where I grew up, where there was exactly 1 golf course (made out of the last dairy farm in the area) and it was public. OTOH getting into college WAS a big deal for me and my circle of friends, Jewish and non-Jewish and I would have been REALLY (and I think rightly) pissed if I wasn't able to get into the college of my choice based on my religion rather than my qualifications. Fortunately, I missed that but only by a decade so this was not some sort of ancient history.

    The country club thing is a bad faith argument - no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    I know that there are people here who feel that discrimination should be part of the right of free association of private businesses and institutions but I think the Holocaust lifted the scales from the eyes of American Jews. If you look at what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler did not come to power one day and the next day start building gas chambers - it was much more gradual that that, taking place over the space of almost a decade. Jew in Germany had their rights stripped away one by one and not all at once. So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that "polite" or "social" discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres. The fact that early America was remarkably free from prejudice against Jews (not that there were many Jews) but over time more and more things in America became closed to them in the 20th century certainly pointed in this direction.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @BosTex, @Twinkie, @Colin Wright, @anonymous, @Twinkie, @Truth

    The country club thing is a bad faith argument – no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    I’ve done this dance with you before, but, you like to be the mole in “whack-a-mole,” so here go I:

    In this Eeeevil “pre-1960s” America where Jews were oppressed, this poor discriminated Jew named Henry Morgenthau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau_Jr.), somehow managed to hide his Jewishness and rise to become:

    the United States Secretary of the Treasury during most of the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt. He played a major role in designing and financing the New Deal. After 1937, while still in charge of the Treasury, he played the central role in financing United States participation in World War II.[1] He also played an increasingly major role in shaping foreign policy, especially with respect to Lend-Lease, support for China, helping Jewish refugees, and proposing (in the “Morgenthau Plan”) measures to deindustrialise Germany.[2]

    Morgenthau was the father of Robert M. Morgenthau, who was District Attorney of Manhattan for 35 years and Henry Morgenthau III, an American author and television producer. He continued as Treasury secretary through the first few months of Harry Truman’s presidency, and from June 27, 1945, to July 3, 1945, following the resignation of Secretary of State Edward Stettinius Jr., was next in line to the presidency.

    Via Exeter, Dwight, and Cornell, of course, not to forget early friendship with FDR and Eleanor.

    Thank goodness, somehow, the cooler heads prevailed and Morgenthau’s desire to turn Germany into a giant potato patch came to nill. Must be because these horrible Goyim figured out that he was, gasp, a Jew!

    Henry Morgenthau Jr. was born into a prominent Jewish family in New York City, the son of Josephine (Sykes) and Henry Morgenthau Sr., a real estate mogul and diplomat. His parents were born in Germany.

    Question: in this horribly oppressive and anti-Semitic America, how did Henry’s parents immigrate from Europe and become “prominent” and his father “a real estate mogul and diplomat”? I thought anti-Semitism before 1960’s was “broad and deep”? He couldn’t get into a country club, but could make his son the financial lord of America?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Twinkie

    'I thought anti-Semitism before 1960’s was “broad and deep”? He couldn’t get into a country club, but could make his son the financial lord of America?'

    An important point here is that bigotry or bias is often taken to be some kind of fatal condition. 'Well, he's anti-semitic, so...'

    People are often perfectly capable of setting aside or modifying their prejudices in the face of the actual facts of a particular case.

    I've long been very consciously and explicitly biased against blacks. When someone who was detectably black called me about a moving job, I immediately and calmly told him we only took cash. As a rule, I summarily refused to consider hiring black helpers. I certainly never would have rented to a black.

    However, on those occasions when I did do business with a black, or wound up hiring a black, and they were fine, I was perfectly capable of treating them fairly. It was interesting to realize: 'most blacks may be awful -- but this one is okay.' It was a mental leap I had no problem with: my bigotry didn't blind me.

    So 'antisemitism may have been pervasive.' That didn't necessarily mean Jews never had a chance to come to bat. It just meant they started with a strike against them. Prejudice or bias isn't some kind of absolute evil; it's just another factor in the equation.

    , @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    Morgenthau was from the German Jewish super-elite. He had about as much in common with the average Jew in America (who at that time would have been an Ellis Island immigrant) as Carlos Slim has with the average Mexican wetback. If Slim is accepted in the finest clubs in NY, does that mean that there is no social discrimination against Mexicans in general?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    , @James B. Shearer
    @Twinkie

    "In this Eeeevil “pre-1960s” America where Jews were oppressed, this poor discriminated Jew named Henry Morgenthau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau_Jr.), somehow managed to hide his Jewishness and rise to become:"

    This sort of single example proves nothing. Commenters here often complain (sometimes with good reason) about contemporary discrimination against white people. Does the fact that some white people nevertheless succeed prove that no such discrimination exists?

  230. @Jack D
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    US News was asking for this because they tried to do the rankings on the cheap, based on self-reporting. They are too small to have the resource to do original research so instead they would send each college admission office a questionnaire to fill out. There was no one at US News even spot checking the questionnaires while the colleges had a big incentive to lie. Columbia wouldn't have gotten caught except for its own math professor who sniffed around and snitched on his own college.

    The other reason that Columbia got caught is that when you license lying like that, there are some people/institutions who take it too far. It's like cheating on taxes - a lot of people cheat a little bit on their taxes but if you claim that you have 47 dependents then the IRS might decide to sniff around.

    Columbia got greedy - yes it was always an Ivy but it was one of the lower Ivies. Then they started coming up and up every year like some Ponzi scheme ready to burst. They made it all the way to #2! Columbia is an OK school but #2 in America? Ahead of MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, etc. - NFW! Something smelled rotten.

    OTOH, demoting them to #18 is clearly just punishment. With all due respect to Steve, Rice is not better than Columbia (to the extent that you can rank order colleges at all, which is a separate question). Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Wash U are fine schools but again putting Columbia behind them is out of order.

    Here is a list of US colleges by average SAT score for incoming freshman, which is as objective as you can get:


    School Average SAT Score
    California Institute of Technology 1555
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1545
    University of Chicago 1535
    Harvey Mudd College 1530
    Yale University 1520
    Harvard University 1520
    Washington University in St Louis 1520
    Duke University 1520
    Vanderbilt University 1520
    Johns Hopkins University 1515
    Columbia University in the City of New York 1515
    University of Pennsylvania 1515
    Rice University 1515
    Princeton University 1510
    Carnegie Mellon 1510

    Mudd is an outlier. The variation in ranking of the rest (US News rank vs SAT rank) can be explained either by certain schools being "undervalued" in regard to better known schools with equal or better SAT scores (e.g. #15 Rice vs. #7 Penn) or else the Asian overflow factor (lots of 1600 SAT Asians can no longer get into MIT so they go to Carnegie Mellon and raise its SAT average or else the woke factor - Princeton is #1 in US News rankings and can "afford" to take a lot of low SAT blacks without hurting their rank.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Matt Buckalew, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @JimB, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonymous

    Where is Stanford? Berkeley? Middlebury?

  231. @Anonymous
    @BosTex


    I keep a ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp. In the glove compartment. With an additional speed loader.
     
    Is there a risk it or the bullets could accidentally go off and shoot you if you got into an accident?

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin

    I suppose. Hadn’t considered it. Seems pretty unlikely. heavy trigger pull.

  232. Anonymous[764] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dvnjbbgc
    Considering that EVERY Ivy, maybe every college in colonial America and the early USA, started as a CHRISTIAN institution, for the education of the best and brightest OF THE COMMUNITY, maybe they shouldn’t have admitted ANY Jew or POC EVER. Do rabbi schools, whatever they’re called, admit gentiles?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Considering that EVERY Ivy, maybe every college in colonial America and the early USA, started as a CHRISTIAN institution, for the education of the best and brightest OF THE COMMUNITY, maybe they shouldn’t have admitted ANY Jew or POC EVER. Do rabbi schools, whatever they’re called, admit gentiles?

    It’s a fair question.

    • Agree: 3g4me
  233. The most anti-Semitic person I’ve even known was a Connecticut blue blood lady in Mystic. She was old line Yankee, third ship Puritan, ancestor on Yale’s founding board, owner plaques on old buildings; the local libraries, roads, and geographic features all with the family name.

    I took her to Manhattan for a weekend and we dropped in to one of the used camera stores run by Hasidic types for film. She cringed so much in their physical presence I was embarrassed.

    I dated a number of Jewish girls from South Florida while in college and my ex-wife was a sweet Jewish lady from San Francisco. I found they usually had nice breasts and were sapiosexual to an unusual degree.

    Count me as Judiophilic (or whatever the word is.)

  234. @anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    But, no, Jews tend not to be as fanatical about golf as WASPs and Asians.
     
    Come now Steve. Jews simply tend not to be good athletes compared to Europeans and Asians. Full stop.

    Ostensible jews who do find success at sports almost always have a boost from recent European admixture.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack P

    Apparently Aaron Rodgers has some Jewish in him.

    Also, Asian men aren’t exactly lighting it up in sports.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Jack P


    Apparently Aaron Rodgers has some Jewish in him.
     
    He doesn’t.
  235. @Anonymous
    @BosTex


    I keep a ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp. In the glove compartment. With an additional speed loader.
     
    Is there a risk it or the bullets could accidentally go off and shoot you if you got into an accident?

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin

    Is there a risk it or the bullets could accidentally go off and shoot you if you got into an accident?

    I sincerely doubt it.

    Transfer bar mechanism provides an unparalleled measure of security against accidental discharge.

    https://ruger.com/products/sp101/overview.html

    This means the hammer cannot impact the inertia firing pin unless one pulls the trigger.

    The US Army has a drop test for munitions; assuming that this applies to smallarms rounds:

    The 40-foot Drop Test stand is a caged area with a thick steel base where test articles are dropped from a height of 40 feet to assess their reaction to the impact.

    “Inadvertent initiation and detonation of our own conventional munitions in the last 50 years has caused catastrophic damage,” Wilkinson said. “Some of these were caused by unplanned reactions but with RTC’s state-of-the art testing capabilities we are committed to providing the best weapons and explosive devices fielded for our military.”

    https://www.army.mil/article/130165/army_test_center_adapts_munitions_to_evolving_needs

    • Thanks: BosTex
  236. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nachum
    I'm a degree or so removed from Rosenberg, but I don't know him. I recall (full disclosure on his behalf, this was public knowledge at the time) that he got a full scholarship to Yeshiva University but opted to go to Harvard (spending, of course, a lot more money) instead. I didn't have high hopes how he'd emerge politically and was proven right. (In fairness, he may have been along that way before he even entered.) I don't know how, or even if, this affects his analysis here.

    Yeshiva is my alma mater; they did open a medical school in the 1950's to counter anti-Jewish quotas still in effect in medical schools, and it became quite a good one. My pre-med classmates resented that it had gotten such a good reputation that it no longer gave any preferential admission to Yeshiva undergrads. The medical school has since become almost entirely independent.

    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, "Don't you think we have enough of your kind here?" Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell. He went back to Yeshiva, where he got his doctorate in philosophy, was ordained a rabbi, and eventually joined the faculty.

    Replies: @Polistra, @anon

    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, “Don’t you think we have enough of your kind here?” Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell. He went back to Yeshiva, where he got his doctorate in philosophy, was ordained a rabbi, and eventually joined the faculty.

    Would Yeshiva allow its student body to become dominated by Christians or Muslims?

    There’s a lot of hypocrisy in this jewish whining. It borders on malicious.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    @anon


    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, “Don’t you think we have enough of your kind here?” Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell. He went back to Yeshiva, where he got his doctorate in philosophy, was ordained a rabbi, and eventually joined the faculty.
     
    This story is an obvious lie. He was born in 1927. When he was applying to college, Columbia and all of the Ivies were already very heavily jewish and had been so for decades. Jews tell lies like this story to incite hate against white people and to assert that we have no right to even be admitted to our own universities.

    Growing up in NYC, I heard countless lies from jews that relatives of their had been denied admission to various colleges or grad programs that they really wanted to get into because they were jewish. These claims were tossed off with the same self assured mindlessness and lack of supporting evidence as the similar claims blacks make. The jewish "victims" they were talking about were baby boomers who were rejected from these schools during the 60's and 70's.

    Replies: @Nachum

    , @Nachum
    @anon

    Non-Jews don't apply to Yeshiva's undergraduate schools, for good reason. Its admissions policies are that it's open to all.

    Yeshiva's graduate schools are majority non-Jewish, I'm guessing.

    Brandeis is majority non-Jewish.

  237. @Hibernian
    @p s c

    Buchanan got his Master's in Journalism at Columbia.

    The only Catholic school attended by JFK was lay run, liberal, and in New England, in Connecticut I think. I'm not sure whether it was elementary or secondary.

    Caroline went to Columbia and/or Columbia Law.

    Replies: @Flip

    Caroline went to Harvard undergrad. JFK Jr went to Brown after supposedly being turned down by Harvard. He wasn’t much of a student apparently.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Flip

    Jr wanted to be an actor, so Brown was a better fit. Too bad he vastly overestimated his flying skills (visual only). Often enough, people for whom things come easily overestimate their ability, occasionally with tragic consequences.

    , @Art Deco
    @Flip

    He was a satisfactory student, but lacked the mix of smarts and motivation to practice law. (Passing the New York bar required three attempts, and he quit practicing after five years; he was still a working lawyer for longer than either of his uncles). Caroline passed the bar after one attempt, but never practiced law.

    Joseph P. Kennedy had ~28 grandchildren who survived infancy, but only about four who built careers in business and the professions. There were a couple who landed berths in the media, others who held positions in various and sundry NGOs, and some who clipped coupons.

  238. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    The country club thing is a bad faith argument – no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.
     
    I've done this dance with you before, but, you like to be the mole in "whack-a-mole," so here go I:

    In this Eeeevil "pre-1960s" America where Jews were oppressed, this poor discriminated Jew named Henry Morgenthau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau_Jr.), somehow managed to hide his Jewishness and rise to become:


    the United States Secretary of the Treasury during most of the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt. He played a major role in designing and financing the New Deal. After 1937, while still in charge of the Treasury, he played the central role in financing United States participation in World War II.[1] He also played an increasingly major role in shaping foreign policy, especially with respect to Lend-Lease, support for China, helping Jewish refugees, and proposing (in the "Morgenthau Plan") measures to deindustrialise Germany.[2]

    Morgenthau was the father of Robert M. Morgenthau, who was District Attorney of Manhattan for 35 years and Henry Morgenthau III, an American author and television producer. He continued as Treasury secretary through the first few months of Harry Truman's presidency, and from June 27, 1945, to July 3, 1945, following the resignation of Secretary of State Edward Stettinius Jr., was next in line to the presidency.
     

    Via Exeter, Dwight, and Cornell, of course, not to forget early friendship with FDR and Eleanor.

    Thank goodness, somehow, the cooler heads prevailed and Morgenthau's desire to turn Germany into a giant potato patch came to nill. Must be because these horrible Goyim figured out that he was, gasp, a Jew!


    Henry Morgenthau Jr. was born into a prominent Jewish family in New York City, the son of Josephine (Sykes) and Henry Morgenthau Sr., a real estate mogul and diplomat. His parents were born in Germany.
     
    Question: in this horribly oppressive and anti-Semitic America, how did Henry's parents immigrate from Europe and become "prominent" and his father "a real estate mogul and diplomat"? I thought anti-Semitism before 1960's was "broad and deep"? He couldn't get into a country club, but could make his son the financial lord of America?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jack D, @James B. Shearer

    ‘I thought anti-Semitism before 1960’s was “broad and deep”? He couldn’t get into a country club, but could make his son the financial lord of America?’

    An important point here is that bigotry or bias is often taken to be some kind of fatal condition. ‘Well, he’s anti-semitic, so…’

    People are often perfectly capable of setting aside or modifying their prejudices in the face of the actual facts of a particular case.

    I’ve long been very consciously and explicitly biased against blacks. When someone who was detectably black called me about a moving job, I immediately and calmly told him we only took cash. As a rule, I summarily refused to consider hiring black helpers. I certainly never would have rented to a black.

    However, on those occasions when I did do business with a black, or wound up hiring a black, and they were fine, I was perfectly capable of treating them fairly. It was interesting to realize: ‘most blacks may be awful — but this one is okay.’ It was a mental leap I had no problem with: my bigotry didn’t blind me.

    So ‘antisemitism may have been pervasive.’ That didn’t necessarily mean Jews never had a chance to come to bat. It just meant they started with a strike against them. Prejudice or bias isn’t some kind of absolute evil; it’s just another factor in the equation.

  239. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Cauchemar du Singe

    Nowadays (and actually since the mid 1960s) the Union League has admitted Jews. Anti-semitism had its heyday in America in the 1920's and 30s when it was often associated with elite institutions - exclusivity and anti-Semitism were seen as being two sides of the same coin since E. European Jews were seen as boorish - see the mob boss in Gatsby. Naturally a high class WASPY person wouldn't want to have to rub elbows with smelly Jews. After WWII it lost respectability and came to be seen as low class rather than high class.

    The Jewish club was the Locust Club but they are out of business.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    exclusivity and anti-Semitism were seen as being two sides of the same coin since E. European Jews were seen as boorish – see the mob boss in Gatsby. Naturally a high class WASPY person wouldn’t want to have to rub elbows with smelly Jews.

    It isn’t so much that jews were seen as boorish or “smelly.” It’s that they were jews, i.e. an endogenous competitor group that itself uses exclusivist tactics. What you see as anti-Semitism was in fact self-defense—against this exclusivist, endogamous group that calls itself “jews.”

  240. @p s c
    All Kennedy's since old man Joe went to Harvard. No Boston College or Holy Cross for them. Yet the daughters all go to Manhatanville College.

    William F Buckley was a Yalie.

    Kennedys and Buckley all went to Protestant prep/boarding schools.

    Patrick J Buchanan went to Gonzaga High in DC and then to Georgetown which was a natural progression as Gonzaga was a prep school for Georgetown. Did PJB consider going to any other school such as an Ivy?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Houston 1992, @ScarletNumber

    All Kennedy’s since old man Joe went to Harvard

    LOL JFK Jr went to Brown and his nephew Jack Schlossberg went to Yale, although the latter was graduated from HLS and HBS.

  241. @Bardon Kaldian
    Let's be frank: admitting all their merits, Ivies are more about status, social connections, elitism & snobbery.

    Dubya & Trump & Kushner graduated from the Ivies & they're all suited better for Podunk.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

    Dubya & Trump & Kushner graduated from the Ivies & they’re all suited better for Podunk.

    Because they were admitted, a more deserving Jew was denied entrance.

  242. @Art Deco
    I'm going to suggest you're neglecting certain factors.

    1. Religious denominations have been vigorous in founding schools. Ethnic associations have not been.

    2. The Catholic Church in particular possessed prior to 1962 a missionary bent and it had a low cost workforce in sisters, brothers, and regular clergy in order to staff the schools. The motor for this activity was sufficient absent any 'exclusion' or 'discrimination'. (It did help, however that private institutions commonly retained elements of protestant culture as late as 1965 - e.g. mandatory chapel).


    3. The Jewish population did not have much of a denominational architecture and its synagogues were not missionary institutions. As ethnic segments go, Jews have long been the most irreligious .

    4. I count 28 Jewish hospitals from one end of the country to the other, though I suppose there were many others (as well as nursing homes) which have since closed. If I'm not mistaken, hospitals had a much stronger charitable aspect in 1920 than they do today, so elements of mutual aid may have motivated their foundation. Another motor may have been to provide residency training for Jewish medical school graduates, a more focused object than what colleges and universities supply.

    5. The Ivy League, then as now, was a small segment of American higher education. There were in 1920 an ample supply of berths in public institutions. These may have sufficed given a deficit of specifically religious motivation in the Jewish population of the day.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    4. I count 28 Jewish hospitals from one end of the country to the other, though I suppose there were many others (as well as nursing homes) which have since closed.

    Please define “Jewish hospital.” Do these institutions cater exclusively to Jews?

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Anonymous

    No, no. Just like going to Saint Luke’s (Catholic) or Methodist, they will take any one.

    The one I am familiar with is (was; I think they call themselves something different now) Long Island Jewish in New York.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Jack D

  243. anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '... So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that “polite” or “social” discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres...'

    Could lead to it -- but can we be sure?

    After all, to exclude anyone from anything, first we're going to have to regain control of our institutions. Seven out of eight of the presidents of the Ivy League schools are Jews, the eight largest contributors to the current president's election campaign were all Jews, the Attorney General is a Jew, the Secretary of State is a Jew, the Secretary of Homeland Security is a Jew, the Treasury Secretary is a Jew, the White House Chief of Staff is a Jew...

    I'm not sure 'polite' anything is going to be sufficient. After all, it's not just that Jews are running everything, it's that they're no damned good at the job. What are we supposed to do? Wait around and hope they get better?

    Replies: @anonymous

    After all, it’s not just that Jews are running everything, it’s that they’re no damned good at the job. What are we supposed to do? Wait around and hope they get better?

    Oh, they seem to be very good at their jobs. They are advancing agendas. Maybe the problem for you is that their interests and goals differ from yours.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @anonymous

    'Oh, they seem to be very good at their jobs...'

    That's just it. In general, I'd agree with your point: that if people appear to be being really stupid, it's just that you don't understand their actual intent. For example, all our 'bungling' in Iraq starts to make a lot more sense if you realize that we were there to permanently wreck any hopes of a coherent, stable Arab state that might inconvenience or defy Israel. Once that's understood, most of our actions look pretty intelligent.

    However, in this case...

    Are the Jews really stupid enough to think they'll benefit from this? Who do they think is going to get eaten first when America is reduced to poly-ethnic, blood-soaked anarchy? Do they picture the black home invaders checking to make sure they're no menorahs before killing the men, raping the women and children, and sacking the house?

    What happens to Israel when the dollar is worthless? Is there going to be some point in acquiring a degree from Harvard when the school is no longer respected? Etc.

    How can they be so witless? They're on the same boat, and in fact, they're the ones who can't swim. The rest of us are off in the woods with canned goods and lots of ammunition. We'll be okay; they won't.

  244. @BosTex
    @Joe Stalin

    Or People’s Republic of Massachusetts. What a terrible weapon.

    If you are going to keep a gun for self defense, always keep something that works, 100% of the time.

    I keep a ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp
    In the glove compartment. With an additional speed loader.

    That thing is guaranteed to work today or if I need it 20 years from today. (Always treat your guns nicely.)

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp

    I’m by no means recoil-sensitive, and I love me some wheel guns, but that’s a handful esp. with hotter 357 mag loads and, worse still, leads to very slow follow-up shots. And that 101 has a terrible, gritty trigger that is a bitch to improve. Ruger did better with the LCR trigger.

    Btw, have you ever shot a 357 mag indoors with no hearing protection? Ringing for days.

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Twinkie

    It does have a bit of recoil and takes some getting used to. Does have a heavy trigger pull. I do love wheel guns. They are the best. Absolutely reliable.
    Have a bunch, mostly .38.

    I keep a .44 mag Taurus in the bedside drawer along with a .357 mag Taurus. The .44 is a scary little devil.

    The .357 is 7 shot 6” barrel that fires beautifully with no recoil with .38 hp. Easy headshots at 50, shot after shot.

    Always wear ear protection. Always.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Twinkie


    I’m by no means recoil-sensitive, and I love me some wheel guns, but that’s a handful esp. with hotter 357 mag loads and, worse still, leads to very slow follow-up shots.
     
    https://youtu.be/mSlE_GrK2sw?t=155
    [2:35]

    "Magnum .357... is my car gun..."

    Replies: @BosTex, @Twinkie

  245. @Flip
    @Hibernian

    Caroline went to Harvard undergrad. JFK Jr went to Brown after supposedly being turned down by Harvard. He wasn’t much of a student apparently.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Art Deco

    Jr wanted to be an actor, so Brown was a better fit. Too bad he vastly overestimated his flying skills (visual only). Often enough, people for whom things come easily overestimate their ability, occasionally with tragic consequences.

  246. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Again, I don't know Villanova that well (although I believe that the President of the University is always from the Catholic (Augustinian) clergy). I am only going by what I see when I walk around the place which is crosses all over the place - on top of every building, on the wall of every classroom, etc. For all I know these folks are devil worshipers otherwise but they sure hang crosses a lot including on every brand new building and that is more crosses than I would be comfortable seeing as a student or parent of a student.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Art Deco, @Houston 1992, @Jack P, @anon

    they sure hang crosses a lot including on every brand new building and that is more crosses than I would be comfortable seeing as a student or parent of a student.

    Why on earth would you be bothered by the sight of crosses?

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @anon

    If you visited a university with the Islamic crescent moon atop every building and a big mosque at the center of campus and the president of the university was an imam from a Muslim religious order, would you be comfortable attending?

    Villanova is a perfectly fine university - it's just not for me.

    Replies: @epebble, @Hibernian

    , @HammerJack
    @anon

    That's supposed to be a LOL but I've run out of ammo and can't correct it. Why can't we have a few more reactions each day? It shouldn't cost too much for Ron, should it?

  247. @Twinkie
    @BosTex


    ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp
     
    I’m by no means recoil-sensitive, and I love me some wheel guns, but that’s a handful esp. with hotter 357 mag loads and, worse still, leads to very slow follow-up shots. And that 101 has a terrible, gritty trigger that is a bitch to improve. Ruger did better with the LCR trigger.

    Btw, have you ever shot a 357 mag indoors with no hearing protection? Ringing for days.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin

    It does have a bit of recoil and takes some getting used to. Does have a heavy trigger pull. I do love wheel guns. They are the best. Absolutely reliable.
    Have a bunch, mostly .38.

    I keep a .44 mag Taurus in the bedside drawer along with a .357 mag Taurus. The .44 is a scary little devil.

    The .357 is 7 shot 6” barrel that fires beautifully with no recoil with .38 hp. Easy headshots at 50, shot after shot.

    Always wear ear protection. Always.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @BosTex


    I do love wheel guns. They are the best. Absolutely reliable.
     
    Look, I carry a GP100 loaded with very hot 357 mags when I am in the mountains (only black bears in my area, no brown bears). But wheel guns are not always "absolutely reliable." They can fail and when they seize up, it's very hard to get it going (there is no "tap, rack, bang" for revolvers). And they are very easy to get gunked up in the field unless you have a full flap holster.

    It does have a bit of recoil and takes some getting used to.
     
    I don't care how much you get used to the recoil, firing hot 357 mags out of an SP101 is going to create a lot of muzzle rise and it's going to slow down your follow-up shots. Try your timer if you don't believe me.

    I keep a .44 mag Taurus in the bedside drawer along with a .357 mag Taurus.
     
    I see 1) you like low quality guns and 2) you have never fired a 44 mag or 357 mag in darkness.

    Always wear ear protection. Always.
     
    Are you the guy walking around the street with the Peltors?
  248. @Jack P
    @anonymous

    Apparently Aaron Rodgers has some Jewish in him.

    Also, Asian men aren't exactly lighting it up in sports.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Apparently Aaron Rodgers has some Jewish in him.

    He doesn’t.

  249. @Anonymous
    @Art Deco


    4. I count 28 Jewish hospitals from one end of the country to the other, though I suppose there were many others (as well as nursing homes) which have since closed.
     
    Please define “Jewish hospital.” Do these institutions cater exclusively to Jews?

    Replies: @BosTex

    No, no. Just like going to Saint Luke’s (Catholic) or Methodist, they will take any one.

    The one I am familiar with is (was; I think they call themselves something different now) Long Island Jewish in New York.

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @BosTex

    How could I have forgotten? Beth Israel in Boston, both my daughter and I were born there.

    Most kids born in Boston are born there. Very well regarded for other stuff, but known for obstetrics.

    , @Jack D
    @BosTex

    Of course that is true nowadays. But to understand these systems you have to go back to the early days (19th century). There was no such thing as health insurance and hospital care for the poor was mostly charity care. So each religion set up hospitals to provide charity care to sick of their faith.

    There was also discrimination against allowing doctors of another religion on the staff of hospitals so if you were a Catholic or Jewish doctor you weren't going to be admitted to the staff of Presbyterian Hospital.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @BosTex

  250. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    There is no contradiction - I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world. This is an Arab proverb but in reality the whole world works this way.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @James B. Shearer

    There is no contradiction – I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world. This is an Arab proverb but in reality the whole world works this way.”

    Sure but generally one fight at a time. You don’t keep nagging your brother about the $100 bucks he supposedly owes you at the same time you want his help against your cousin.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  251. @Houston 1992
    @Jack D

    So Jack what should be our cross quota? Catholics used to have crucifixions in every classroom. Was your snark about devil worshippers necessary? Okay, we get it : Jesus birth, life, crucifixion, resurrection mean nothing nothing to you.....but why the snark?

    The Christian Science textbook states "The cross is the central emblem of history. It is the lodestar [the guiding star] in the demonstration of Christian healing, —the demonstration by which sin and sickness are destroyed" (pp. 238-239)

    Replies: @epebble

    Catholics used to have crucifixions in every classroom.

    That reminded me of a joke. A Jewish mother was exasperated with her recalcitrant son who was being expelled by every school she put him in for his behavior. Finally, very reluctantly, she brought him to a Catholic school and explained to the principal the son’s problems. The principal listened and agreed to take the boy to the school. After a few weeks of receiving no complaints from the school, she was pleasantly surprised and wanted to find out what did the catholic school do to make her son behave. When she went to the school and asked the principal, he pointed to the large cross (with Jesus) in his office and said – “I called the boy and showed him the crucifix, and explained: last time a Jew caused trouble, look what they did to him”. After that, the boy has been on his best behavior.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @epebble

    My wife (who works with kids) once actually had a patient who was a Jewish kid who attended Catholic school. I think it was kind of a blue-collarish Jewish family with not much money (yes, these exist) who lived in Philadelphia and the alternative was attending a mostly black Philadelphia public school.

    Ironically, the Catholic schools in Philly now have a lot of blacks too and a lot of the blacks are not Catholic - they go to Catholic school for the same reason. The question is whether at some point they will overwhelm those schools with their numbers. Also whether the Church will subsidize a system of schools that benefit mostly non-believers.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @epebble

  252. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @usNthem
    For all their country clubs, they didn’t produce too many top notch professional golfers. Maybe because back in the day, all the Jewish mothers wanted their sons to be doctas or lawyas…

    Replies: @Larry, San Francisco, @Anonymous

    For all their country clubs, they didn’t produce too many top notch professional golfers. Maybe because back in the day, all the Jewish mothers wanted their sons to be doctas or lawyas…

    Right. That’s why there are no jewish cornerbacks and NBA players. Just a matter of what they devote their time to.

  253. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    There is no contradiction – I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world.
     
    Did you just admit that your goal is to use gentile whites to lord over the nonwhites, and then to use your fellow Jews to lord over the gentile whites, and then hope to lord over the Jews, with yourself atop? So all this "suffering Jews in America" trope is just a device to guilt-trip and manipulate the "fellow whites"?

    No wonder you and yours don't understand the culture of self-sacrifice and noblesse oblige.

    Are you trying to fan the flame of anti-Jewish sentiments here? I mentioned this before, but sometimes I think you are actually not Jewish, but someone who intends to malign Jews through sock-puppetry and excessively stereotypical negative behaviors.

    This is an Arab proverb but in reality the whole world works this way.
     
    No, that's not how the whole world works. That's how those of you with the Levantine culture of treachery have made the world once in power.

    No one group is perfect, but my wife's people - the Anglo-Germanics of America - are more of the res publica (in the context of "commonwealth") and "love thy neighbor" cultural bent that tends to benefit the whole and create a more harmonious society than your desert tribal supremacism.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Polistra

    No, that’s not how the whole world works. That’s how those of you with the Levantine culture of treachery have made the world once in power.”

    Actually it is although sometimes phrased differently as something like myself ahead of my brother, my brother ahead of my cousin, my cousin ahead of my countryman and my countryman ahead of a foreigner. The idea being most people don’t feel equally obliged to everyone but feel a complex web of obligations which lead them to respond to some appeals for help but not others by people similarly situated.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @James B. Shearer


    Actually it is although sometimes phrased differently as something like myself ahead of my brother, my brother ahead of my cousin, my cousin ahead of my countryman and my countryman ahead of a foreigner. The idea being most people don’t feel equally obliged to everyone but feel a complex web of obligations which lead them to respond to some appeals for help but not others by people similarly situated.
     
    That's what barbarians do. That's not the foundational principle of Western civilization, which depended on the weakening of extended kinship ties and strengthening of the idea of res publica, largely facilitated by the Catholic Church. Razib Khan reviewed Joe Henrich's book that lays out this case: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/book-review-the-weirdest-people-in-the-world-audacious-surprising/

    The Bedouins have a saying, “I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world.” David Kaczynski, the brother of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, was no Bedouin. When the Washington Post published the Unabomber’s manifesto, his brother immediately recognized the writing and informed the FBI who he believed was the author. Today, Ted Kaczynski sits in prison because of the information provided by his own brother. A Bedouin would be confused.

    Harvard anthropologist Joe Henrich offers his explanation of the origins of this divergence between the values of the Bedouin and Americans, and its significance in world history, in The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous.

    Henrich’s argument is audacious and surprising. He begins with the fall of Rome and the Western Christian Church’s destruction of the powerful ancient families, and then connects this to the flowering of European liberalism and the scientific revolution over 1,000 years later.
     

    Societies differ based on the nature of their “family values.” If you are an American, David Kaczynski’s action may seem meritorious. But in most societies, there are strong taboos against turning in family members for crimes. In China, sons were not necessarily punished if they gave refuge to a father who was a fugitive from the law. The family was sacrosanct above larger, more abstract institutions. This is not true in the West. WEIRDest People in the World offers the intellectual genealogy for how this came to be.
     

    The central role of the pope in Rome in 600 a.d. illustrates that after the fall of the Empire, the Christian Church remained the singular transnational institution standing. Thomas Hobbes stated that “the papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman Empire.” Western Europe’s barbarian rulers were weak and lacked the credibility of the Roman emperors. But the Church could provide them with institutional legitimacy. Even a ruler as powerful as Charlemagne was crowned Emperor of the Romans by the pope.

    But all good things come with a cost, and in exchange for granting Europe’s barbarian rulers legitimacy, the Western Church demanded its own powers and domain of control. European Christianity had adopted from the Greco-Romans the norm of universal monogamy. The Western Church also barred adoption and enforced strong prohibitions on marriages between close relatives. Again, the Church initially adopted relatively narrow Roman prohibitions on incest, which would allow marriages between first cousins. But in the ninth century, they expanded the scope out to sixth cousins.

    These rules limited the potential pool of mates for any aristocrat. And once a noble married, the emphasis on monogamy meant that only legitimate offspring could inherit property. Charlemagne had many concubines at any given time, but only one wife. He had only four legitimate grandsons, all sons of his fourth son. The emphasis on monogamy was radically egalitarian. The most powerful man in Europe had one wife at any given time, just like all the peasants in his domains.

    The reasons for what Henrich calls the “Marriage and Family Program” (MFP) are obscure, but its consequences were significant. In the short term, the Christian Church prevented the emergence of elite extended family lineages which could accumulate power and property. Rather, over time the medieval Church became more and more powerful, as the Holy Roman Emperor Henry IV’s abasement at the feet of the pope in the eleventh century illustrates. The Church also became exceedingly wealthy, often inheriting the lands of rich aristocrats who did not have legitimate natural-born heirs.

    But the more important long-term consequence of the MFP was that vast spaces opened up in the culture for institutions unmoored from the family. The Church served as a model, with monastic communities bringing together unrelated men to cooperate and live together. The collapse of extended lineages meant that most Western Europeans lived in nuclear families, and young newlyweds started their own independent households. Cultures with a thick network of relationships take for granted that individuals can look to family to smooth their life path, but Western Europeans did not have that option. And so they developed guilds, fraternities, and assemblies. Medieval Europeans had to rely on Edmund Burke’s “little platoons” to give solidity to their lives because of the lack of extended families.

    These institutions were often based around charters. Europeans became comfortable with the rule of law out of necessity because a world of strangers needed to rely on transparent abstractions, not what the Chinese call “guanxi” — networks of power. Western Europe’s literate elite, the clerics, by definition, did not have legitimate heirs, and so modeled a life outside of family networks. Scaffolded by the regularity of canon law, they began to resurrect abstruse Greek rationality. In northern Italy, city-states reemerged, modeled on ancient precedents, but given economic and cultural vigor by the individualism and rationality becoming the norm in Western Europe.

    The WEIRDest People in the World makes a strong case that the Christian Church’s MFP was the cause for the transformation of Western European society during the medieval period. Henrich even points out that the Byzantine Empire, where the Church was subordinate to the state, did not enact the MFP, and today Orthodox societies are far less WEIRD — though no less Christian.
     
  254. @Anon
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Instead of going into biographical details about the Ooold West and both coasts,
     
    What is this even a reference to?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    It is a reference to where I am actually “from.”

  255. @Jack D
    @Cauchemar du Singe

    Nowadays (and actually since the mid 1960s) the Union League has admitted Jews. Anti-semitism had its heyday in America in the 1920's and 30s when it was often associated with elite institutions - exclusivity and anti-Semitism were seen as being two sides of the same coin since E. European Jews were seen as boorish - see the mob boss in Gatsby. Naturally a high class WASPY person wouldn't want to have to rub elbows with smelly Jews. After WWII it lost respectability and came to be seen as low class rather than high class.

    The Jewish club was the Locust Club but they are out of business.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “The Jewish club was the Locust Club”

    Well at least for once they were honest about something.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  256. @Larry, San Francisco
    @usNthem

    Yep. A friend of mine's older brother was a 2 handicapper at the age of 16. Definitely could have gotten on the tour. Instead his pathway was to follow his dad into medicine. He is now a leading oncology researcher so that choice did work out for him.

    Replies: @ex-banker

    There aren’t too many 2 handicap 16 year olds who end up as top 100 college players, let alone make it on tour. Hell, there aren’t many +2 handicap 16 year olds who make it on tour.

  257. @BosTex
    @Anonymous

    No, no. Just like going to Saint Luke’s (Catholic) or Methodist, they will take any one.

    The one I am familiar with is (was; I think they call themselves something different now) Long Island Jewish in New York.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Jack D

    How could I have forgotten? Beth Israel in Boston, both my daughter and I were born there.

    Most kids born in Boston are born there. Very well regarded for other stuff, but known for obstetrics.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
  258. @Anonymous
    @Hibernian


    Brandeis might be close in academic quality just as Illinois and Wisconsin are.
     
    Illinois and Wisconsin are close in quality to Harvard and Yale??

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Quite possibly. Norman Cantor “For all their elaborate procedures [in reviewing candidates for tenure], they have a history department that’s no better than ten others.” Ill wager if you look at citation patterns delineated in Web of Science, you wouldn’t discover the Ivy League was more productive that the general run of research universities. Cantor had a tale of a Harvard professor he’d known ca. 1955 whose entire professional output consisted of two papers, “one of which was wrong and the other of which was unreadable”. For decades they had John Kenneth Galbraith on their faculty, even though he published little scholarly literature (I had a hard time finding any when I tried to pull together a bibliography of his work). As for their teaching, Thos. Sowell has been making the case for decades that the actual value-added of elite education is challenging to detect in the professional arc of their graduates. Have a look at the capsule biographies of Fortune 500 CEOs. Ivy is there, but so are non-Ivy private universities, state universities, large teaching institutions like Hofstra, as well as those with no degree (e.g. Michael Dell). The one place where Ivy is the norm is the federal appellate judiciary.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Art Deco


    Cantor had a tale of a Harvard professor he’d known ca. 1955 whose entire professional output consisted of two papers, “one of which was wrong and the other of which was unreadable”.

     

    Tale is indeed the right word for that story.

    The one place where Ivy is the norm is the federal appellate judiciary.
     
    Off the top of my head, the most prominent law firms in Manhattan and Washington also qualify. Other examples include business consulting (McKinsey, Deloitte etc) and so-called 'high finance', including investment banking.

    Replies: @ex-banker

  259. @Flip
    @Hibernian

    Caroline went to Harvard undergrad. JFK Jr went to Brown after supposedly being turned down by Harvard. He wasn’t much of a student apparently.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Art Deco

    He was a satisfactory student, but lacked the mix of smarts and motivation to practice law. (Passing the New York bar required three attempts, and he quit practicing after five years; he was still a working lawyer for longer than either of his uncles). Caroline passed the bar after one attempt, but never practiced law.

    Joseph P. Kennedy had ~28 grandchildren who survived infancy, but only about four who built careers in business and the professions. There were a couple who landed berths in the media, others who held positions in various and sundry NGOs, and some who clipped coupons.

  260. What is this about Jewish persons not founding their own institutions of higher education?

    What about Prager U — I just heard they had a football program.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/prager-u-ranked-dead-last-in-ncaa-football-again

    • LOL: Hibernian
  261. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Anecdote is not the singular of data. Any Jew who makes a big deal about being excluded from a country club is definitely a jerk but I don't think this is actually a major preoccupation of Jews. I have heard more about Jews not getting into country clubs on Unz than I EVER heard in my real life.

    It sure as hell wasn't where I grew up, where there was exactly 1 golf course (made out of the last dairy farm in the area) and it was public. OTOH getting into college WAS a big deal for me and my circle of friends, Jewish and non-Jewish and I would have been REALLY (and I think rightly) pissed if I wasn't able to get into the college of my choice based on my religion rather than my qualifications. Fortunately, I missed that but only by a decade so this was not some sort of ancient history.

    The country club thing is a bad faith argument - no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.

    I know that there are people here who feel that discrimination should be part of the right of free association of private businesses and institutions but I think the Holocaust lifted the scales from the eyes of American Jews. If you look at what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler did not come to power one day and the next day start building gas chambers - it was much more gradual that that, taking place over the space of almost a decade. Jew in Germany had their rights stripped away one by one and not all at once. So it was understood (at least by American Jews) that "polite" or "social" discrimination was not harmless but could lead to a slippery slope where Jews (and other minorities) could be excluded from more and more spheres. The fact that early America was remarkably free from prejudice against Jews (not that there were many Jews) but over time more and more things in America became closed to them in the 20th century certainly pointed in this direction.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @BosTex, @Twinkie, @Colin Wright, @anonymous, @Twinkie, @Truth

    You’re a Heeb?

    I must have missed that one. OK, that explains a lot.

    • Troll: Inquiring Mind
  262. I’ve heard (including from Indians) that the Indian flooding of Quara has made it undesirable.

  263. @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    Doesn’t it make sense more sense to moderate wage inflation with increased immigration than by raising rates?

    This attitude is absolutely ubiquitous among the gentry class. It is far from specifically Jewish. It's simply the equivalent of "We needs our weaves" for aspiring aristocracy, "We need our nannies and gardeners". As regards Ackman specifically, he is flogging what is in the interests of the companies in his portfolio rather then the interests of the working man. Were the bloated plutocrats of the pre-Jewish American past any different?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Polistra, @Colin Wright

    Were the bloated plutocrats of the pre-Jewish American past any different?

    I think this is a question of some substance: open to conjecture, argument, and of course reams of anecdotes. My initial reaction is to say no, plutocrats have always been plutocrats.

    But did the Vanderbilts, Carnegies, and Rockefellers of that earlier age use their wealth, power, and influence to run endless stories in the mass media insisting that the real threat to America was its founding stock of white people?

  264. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    So the story DOES have a greater meaning – the Golfocaust is real!
     
    Yes it is! Essential Golfocaust reading:

    The Jew and the Club [see excerpts below]

    "I find it rather difficult to make it clear to my children why we are not eligible, for from one point of view it isn't quite clear to me."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1924/10/the-jew-and-the-club/306258/

    The Jews in America

    The Atlantic looks back at a time when country clubs were restricted, names were Anglicized, and Jews were struggling to find their place in American society.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/09/the-jews-in-america/306273/

    Bonus:

    Yes, the Cover of Golf Digest Is Tacky, Gross, and Exclusionary. But So Is Golf.

    It's actually perfect that Golf Digest's cover image of sexy, non-golfer Paulina Gretzky has irritated people for being sexist and exclusionary. Nothing provides a better digest of golf than exclusion, annoyance, cultural damage, and self-absorption.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/yes-the-cover-of-golf-digest-is-tacky-gross-and-exclusionary-but-so-is-golf/360199/

    The Jew and the Club excerpts:


    II.

    My neighbor Mr. C and I are intimate friends, our families see much of each other. Occasionally, we dine at each other's houses and we and our wives sometimes go to the theatre together. He is a man of much greater means than I am, is most hospitable, and entertains very freely. I know many of his friends, associate with a number of them, and in a general way may be said to belong to his circle. In summer I see much less of him than at other times of the year and our intimacy suffers a certain check, the reason of this being golf.  My neighbor is not a great golfer and I am not a helpless cripple. Probably Mr. C would be willing to play with me, but I am not a member of his golf club and I cannot become one, for I am of Jewish origin and Mr. C is of New England stock. There are some public links in the suburb where I live, but the people with whom I associate are all members of the X Country Club to which, as indicated, I am not eligible. I am not snobbish but golf would interest me only as a means of social intercourse and so I do not go to the municipal golf club where the players are of an entirely different social group from the one to which I belong. This sounds as if I were laying undue stress upon social life or perhaps society.
     
    “I don’t even like clubs! But I want you to accommodate my needling presence” :

    As a matter of fact, I am not much of a clubman; I have no special desire to go to clubs frequently, and I rarely attend the meetings of those societies to which I do belong.
     
    “Also, I cannot take a hint” :

    But the fact that I and members of my family cannot belong to certain organizations which form the social centre of the community prevents us in large measure from forming those intimate and congenial friendships which most, if not all, men crave.

    My neighbor Mr. C would not go off to his club with his friends, leaving me to find my own amusement, but naturally would include me in his various activities as he does his other friends and acquaintances. We should all be on the same level, and there would not be the same wall of caste between us, and between his children and my children. When the Alumni Club of my old University meets, I should feel free to meet with it and keep up my old associations. I do not do so now, for the meeting-place is the University Club, to which I am ineligible. As I have naturally some pride, I decline to attend the meetings of an organization held in a place where I am not welcome.
     
    “Think of us as Gentiles! ‘Fellow whites’, if you will” :

    The fact is always emphasized that so many Jews have qualities which are undesirable and disagreeable, that even if there be a Jew who is personally agreeable, he cannot be admitted because he would immediately bring others. This has always seemed to me a lame argument.  Clubs discriminate between Gentile and Gentile.  No membership committee feels bound to admit all Presbyterians because some members of the club attend the services of the Presbyterian Church, nor to admit all people with dark hair and short noses because a majority of the members in the club have dark hair and short noses.  A Jew should not be admitted to a club because he is a Jew any more than he should be excluded because he is a Jew.
     
    “Let us into the Ivy League! We won’t hostile to the stock of the Puritans, we swear” :

    The Jewish controversy at Harvard is well known. It was at least open and above board, though it made the lot of Harvard men of Jewish extraction more difficult. However, at Harvard the question was settled in such fashion that the Jew is not discriminated against officially, at any rate. At many other universities, however, the same problem has appeared and open discussion has been carefully avoided for fear of giving offense to possible donors with Jewish antecedents.  It is well known, however, that Jewish boys and girls have much difficulty in gaining admission to these institutions, and conditions similar to those in Romania, Poland, and various Balkan states have developed.
     
    Shekel opportunities diminished: Our Mr. X would be a problem at social clubs where business networking is prohibited:

    Least of all is it realized that discrimination of this kind is gaining marked headway in business life. It is natural that the men whose social life is spent together should also desire to be associated together in business. They know each other from all angles; they are congenial, for otherwise they would not be together outside of business; and when favorable business opportunities arise their thoughts quite naturally turn to each other.
     
    “Make nice, or we will get even more unpleasantly Jew-y!” :

    Personally, my associations have been largely non-Jewish.  Nevertheless, I feel, in my own case, much more than I used to, a desire to emphasize my Jewish nationality, and I feel that I am becoming more sensitive to slights, real or imagined. My children will probably, under the circumstances, feel all this more keenly than I do and are likely to associate much more exclusively than I do with people of Jewish origin. The result will be to accentuate any Jewish traits which they may have inherited and by that very fact to set them off more sharply from others.
     

    If I had a son, I have often thought that I should advise him to leave this country and go elsewhere, say to some southern country where, while he might suffer political disability, he would probably not suffer any social disability, and as I have sought to indicate, the latter is really at times more galling than the former. [e.a.]
     
    The Golfocaust is real. Don’t be a Golfocaust denier, Jack D. The social status pique American Jews feel is real. You’re as mad and presumptuous as Mr. X, but with some personal protective aspergery traits that insulate you from mockery (at least on this forum).

    This is not to say all Jews are as conflicted as you. E.g., commenter kaganovich, perhaps more secure in his (Orthodox?) identity, has not seen it necessary to dishonestly fret about who is and isn’t American founding stock, for example.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anonymous

    Paranoid people always assume others are conspiring against them.

    “Why would you want to keep us out, if not to plot against us?”

  265. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    The country club thing is a bad faith argument – no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.
     
    I've done this dance with you before, but, you like to be the mole in "whack-a-mole," so here go I:

    In this Eeeevil "pre-1960s" America where Jews were oppressed, this poor discriminated Jew named Henry Morgenthau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau_Jr.), somehow managed to hide his Jewishness and rise to become:


    the United States Secretary of the Treasury during most of the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt. He played a major role in designing and financing the New Deal. After 1937, while still in charge of the Treasury, he played the central role in financing United States participation in World War II.[1] He also played an increasingly major role in shaping foreign policy, especially with respect to Lend-Lease, support for China, helping Jewish refugees, and proposing (in the "Morgenthau Plan") measures to deindustrialise Germany.[2]

    Morgenthau was the father of Robert M. Morgenthau, who was District Attorney of Manhattan for 35 years and Henry Morgenthau III, an American author and television producer. He continued as Treasury secretary through the first few months of Harry Truman's presidency, and from June 27, 1945, to July 3, 1945, following the resignation of Secretary of State Edward Stettinius Jr., was next in line to the presidency.
     

    Via Exeter, Dwight, and Cornell, of course, not to forget early friendship with FDR and Eleanor.

    Thank goodness, somehow, the cooler heads prevailed and Morgenthau's desire to turn Germany into a giant potato patch came to nill. Must be because these horrible Goyim figured out that he was, gasp, a Jew!


    Henry Morgenthau Jr. was born into a prominent Jewish family in New York City, the son of Josephine (Sykes) and Henry Morgenthau Sr., a real estate mogul and diplomat. His parents were born in Germany.
     
    Question: in this horribly oppressive and anti-Semitic America, how did Henry's parents immigrate from Europe and become "prominent" and his father "a real estate mogul and diplomat"? I thought anti-Semitism before 1960's was "broad and deep"? He couldn't get into a country club, but could make his son the financial lord of America?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jack D, @James B. Shearer

    Morgenthau was from the German Jewish super-elite. He had about as much in common with the average Jew in America (who at that time would have been an Ellis Island immigrant) as Carlos Slim has with the average Mexican wetback. If Slim is accepted in the finest clubs in NY, does that mean that there is no social discrimination against Mexicans in general?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Morgenthau was from the German Jewish super-elite. He had about as much in common with the average Jew in America (who at that time would have been an Ellis Island immigrant) as Carlos Slim has with the average Mexican wetback.
     
    Carlos Slim is Lebanese. Mexicans are, well, Mexican.

    Morgenthau and other jews are both jewish.
    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Morgenthau was from the German Jewish super-elite. He had about as much in common with the average Jew in America (who at that time would have been an Ellis Island immigrant) as Carlos Slim has with the average Mexican wetback. If Slim is accepted in the finest clubs in NY, does that mean that there is no social discrimination against Mexicans in general?
     
    First of all, Carlos Slim is of your Levantine "me and my brother against my cousin" ethny and culture, and not natively of Mexico, so perhaps you are unwittingly making a point here.

    Second, Slim, as wealthy and influential as he is, is in no way the financial overlord of America or in line to the presidency in the 21st century while Morgenthau achieved all that in the eeeeevil "pre-1960's America" you paint as highly anti-Semitic.

    Third, yes, Henry Morgenthau was an elite Jew... which is why I asked, how did his father, an immigrant Jew from Germany become "prominent... a real estate mogul and a diplomat" in this supposedly anti-Semitic America with lots of barriers in the first place? How did he become elite in the first place despite all these supposed barriers?

    The reality is that the supposed anti-Semitism of "pre-1960's America" is highly exaggerated by the Jewish-dominated media and pop culture and by the likes of you. You even "sort of " admitted to this - that the Jews were not the Victim-est People Ever - after trying to ride the coat tails of anti-black discriminations of the past: https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-systemic-racism-particularly-non-systemic/#comment-5141312

    Do you not understand that all your past writings are archived here, so it's not hard to see you play the "flight from white" and "fellow white" games at various times? Again, I ask you, are you trying to make Jews look bad?
  266. @epebble
    @Houston 1992

    Catholics used to have crucifixions in every classroom.

    That reminded me of a joke. A Jewish mother was exasperated with her recalcitrant son who was being expelled by every school she put him in for his behavior. Finally, very reluctantly, she brought him to a Catholic school and explained to the principal the son's problems. The principal listened and agreed to take the boy to the school. After a few weeks of receiving no complaints from the school, she was pleasantly surprised and wanted to find out what did the catholic school do to make her son behave. When she went to the school and asked the principal, he pointed to the large cross (with Jesus) in his office and said - "I called the boy and showed him the crucifix, and explained: last time a Jew caused trouble, look what they did to him". After that, the boy has been on his best behavior.

    Replies: @Jack D

    My wife (who works with kids) once actually had a patient who was a Jewish kid who attended Catholic school. I think it was kind of a blue-collarish Jewish family with not much money (yes, these exist) who lived in Philadelphia and the alternative was attending a mostly black Philadelphia public school.

    Ironically, the Catholic schools in Philly now have a lot of blacks too and a lot of the blacks are not Catholic – they go to Catholic school for the same reason. The question is whether at some point they will overwhelm those schools with their numbers. Also whether the Church will subsidize a system of schools that benefit mostly non-believers.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Catholic schools have lay faculty who are there for the job. (The son-in-law of a friend of ours was hired by a Catholic school after finishing up at Franciscan; he was thoroughly demoralized by the whole mise-en-scene and lasted one year on the faculty). The religious orders have largely evaporated and many of those who remain in them and are still of working age have no interest in advancing the Catholic faith. If you're at all curious, you can read about the catastrophe at Charlotte (NC) Catholic High School when Sr. Jane Dominic Laurel gave and address there in 2014. The clientele of the school are professional-managerial class people who are not impressed with the hired help and not pleased when instruction at the school contravenes the prejudices of professional-managerial types, even when it's a one-off lecture series. This was a few years ago. What's interesting to me is contrasting what happened with what has happened at places like the Dalton School in the last two years, where the parents were much more timid in dealing with a neuralgic situation which incorporated a comprehensive revision of the curriculum, a faculty and administration revealed to be frankly hostile to their clientele and seeking opportunities to be abusive to students. Unlike the situation in Charlotte, where you had a capon bishop, the board of trustees at Dalton had been taken over by educational consultancies pushing the abuse.

    Replies: @Dutch Boy, @Jack D

    , @epebble
    @Jack D

    My experience with Catholic and other Christian schools/institutions is that that they are extraordinarily ecumenical in both hiring their faculty/workers and admitting students. Unless one is virulently anti-Catholic or anti-Christian, they will not bother. It only comes to friction when taboo topics like abortion or same-sex relationship come to the fore.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  267. @BosTex
    @Anonymous

    No, no. Just like going to Saint Luke’s (Catholic) or Methodist, they will take any one.

    The one I am familiar with is (was; I think they call themselves something different now) Long Island Jewish in New York.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Jack D

    Of course that is true nowadays. But to understand these systems you have to go back to the early days (19th century). There was no such thing as health insurance and hospital care for the poor was mostly charity care. So each religion set up hospitals to provide charity care to sick of their faith.

    There was also discrimination against allowing doctors of another religion on the staff of hospitals so if you were a Catholic or Jewish doctor you weren’t going to be admitted to the staff of Presbyterian Hospital.

    • Agree: BosTex
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    A dear friend of mine whose father was on the faculty of Columbia's medical school told me that when his father was starting out, the function of hospitals was more akin to the function of what we'd call a hospice today.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @BosTex
    @Jack D

    Thanks Jack. True. I didn’t want to get into the history. A lot of the institutions we see around us have their roots in charitable support/care that date back to 19th century, where there was no formal insurance of any kind (insurance really dates to the 1920s—1940s).

    People were pretty much “on their own”
    prior to insurance and looked to their own people to find care, hence “jewish” hospitals and various “Christian” denomination hospitals etc.

    Some hospitals were founded with a specific ethnic background, for example I think you can still find hospitals that carry the label “Swedish” in them, etc.

  268. @Jack D
    @epebble

    My wife (who works with kids) once actually had a patient who was a Jewish kid who attended Catholic school. I think it was kind of a blue-collarish Jewish family with not much money (yes, these exist) who lived in Philadelphia and the alternative was attending a mostly black Philadelphia public school.

    Ironically, the Catholic schools in Philly now have a lot of blacks too and a lot of the blacks are not Catholic - they go to Catholic school for the same reason. The question is whether at some point they will overwhelm those schools with their numbers. Also whether the Church will subsidize a system of schools that benefit mostly non-believers.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @epebble

    Catholic schools have lay faculty who are there for the job. (The son-in-law of a friend of ours was hired by a Catholic school after finishing up at Franciscan; he was thoroughly demoralized by the whole mise-en-scene and lasted one year on the faculty). The religious orders have largely evaporated and many of those who remain in them and are still of working age have no interest in advancing the Catholic faith. If you’re at all curious, you can read about the catastrophe at Charlotte (NC) Catholic High School when Sr. Jane Dominic Laurel gave and address there in 2014. The clientele of the school are professional-managerial class people who are not impressed with the hired help and not pleased when instruction at the school contravenes the prejudices of professional-managerial types, even when it’s a one-off lecture series. This was a few years ago. What’s interesting to me is contrasting what happened with what has happened at places like the Dalton School in the last two years, where the parents were much more timid in dealing with a neuralgic situation which incorporated a comprehensive revision of the curriculum, a faculty and administration revealed to be frankly hostile to their clientele and seeking opportunities to be abusive to students. Unlike the situation in Charlotte, where you had a capon bishop, the board of trustees at Dalton had been taken over by educational consultancies pushing the abuse.

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
    @Art Deco

    Want your child to lose his Catholic faith? Send him to a Catholic [sic] university, e.g., Notre Dame, where the Vagina Monologues got performed regularly for years.

    , @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy (which is the principal-agent problems stated in another way) explains a lot:

    "In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals that the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely. "

    This assumes of course that Sr. Jane Dominic Laurel actually represents the goals that the Church is supposed to accomplish. You could say that one of the goals of the Church and Catholic education is turning people away from sin and buggery is a form of sin.

    But some of the sister's arguments perhaps went beyond what was necessary to convey that message and perhaps were not really proven. She supposedly asserted that homosexuality occurs mainly as a result of parents' shortcomings and pornography, that single and divorced parents caused kids to become gay; that homosexuals cannot live normal, productive lives; and that gays can't be good parents.

    The current Pope, who perhaps speaks for the Church with more authority than Sr. Jane, OTOH, has stated: "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?"

    I have no dog in this fight but it strikes me that Jesus would also tend to be less judgmental of human frailty than the good sister. If I had to pick between them, I think I would prefer to hang out with Francis and Jesus and not with Sister You are all Going to Hell Laurel.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  269. @Jack D
    @BosTex

    Of course that is true nowadays. But to understand these systems you have to go back to the early days (19th century). There was no such thing as health insurance and hospital care for the poor was mostly charity care. So each religion set up hospitals to provide charity care to sick of their faith.

    There was also discrimination against allowing doctors of another religion on the staff of hospitals so if you were a Catholic or Jewish doctor you weren't going to be admitted to the staff of Presbyterian Hospital.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @BosTex

    A dear friend of mine whose father was on the faculty of Columbia’s medical school told me that when his father was starting out, the function of hospitals was more akin to the function of what we’d call a hospice today.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    In a lot of European languages, the word for nurse is the same as the word for nun - "sister" and the classic nurse's uniform is adapted from the nun's habit. The purpose of a hospital in the middle ages was to comfort the dying and prepare them for the next life. No one was expected to walk out again.

    By the 19th century, doctors were actually trying to heal the sick but in most cases there was nothing much that they could do (that didn't make things even worse). Before anti-biotics, there were few effective drug treatments. Practices that are today regarded as quackery (such homeopathic medicine and osteopathy) existed side by side with the ancestors of mainstream medicine because the results achieved were not significantly worse. (Some of these movements later moved closer to mainstream medicine but I am referring to their original form). Surgery and anesthesia were crude and not conducted under anti-septic conditions and if you survived the operation then you would frequently die of infection anyway. The rich would be nursed at home, which was probably better because a hospital was (and for that matter still is) a really good place to pick up a fatal infection.

  270. @conatus
    In fact, if we take an IQ of 145 as a cutoff for genius and assume that Jews were around 3.4% of the White US population in 1950, there were nearly 4 times more non-Jewish White geniuses in the US than Jewish geniuses. If we use 130 as a benchmark for at least vastly easing the path to upward mobility, there were over 6 times more non-Jewish Whites in this category than Jews. And there would have been a much greater disparity in England where Jews were less than 1% of the population.

    Europeans certainly do not need Jews to develop or maintain their civilization.The successful erection of the culture of critique is much more about ethnic networking and dominating key points in the cultural food chain — especially elite academic institutions and the media — than it is about IQ.

    For example, even correcting for IQ, Jews are massively overrepresented at Ivy League universities compared to Whites. In 1998, Jews represented around 25–33% of Harvard undergraduates compared to around 25% non-Jewish Whites. In 2000 the Jewish population was around 3% of the non-Hispanic White population. On the basis of IQ, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or 4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio was at most 1 to 1. But even this may underestimate the gap because it’s hard to believe that all Harvard students have at least an IQ of 130. Could it be that that Jared Kushner’s route to Harvard is not at all unusual for Jews these days?

    Replies: @Tony Lawless, @Polistra, @JimDandy, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Dutch Boy

    Why build your own when you already dominate the ones built by your enemies?

  271. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Catholic schools have lay faculty who are there for the job. (The son-in-law of a friend of ours was hired by a Catholic school after finishing up at Franciscan; he was thoroughly demoralized by the whole mise-en-scene and lasted one year on the faculty). The religious orders have largely evaporated and many of those who remain in them and are still of working age have no interest in advancing the Catholic faith. If you're at all curious, you can read about the catastrophe at Charlotte (NC) Catholic High School when Sr. Jane Dominic Laurel gave and address there in 2014. The clientele of the school are professional-managerial class people who are not impressed with the hired help and not pleased when instruction at the school contravenes the prejudices of professional-managerial types, even when it's a one-off lecture series. This was a few years ago. What's interesting to me is contrasting what happened with what has happened at places like the Dalton School in the last two years, where the parents were much more timid in dealing with a neuralgic situation which incorporated a comprehensive revision of the curriculum, a faculty and administration revealed to be frankly hostile to their clientele and seeking opportunities to be abusive to students. Unlike the situation in Charlotte, where you had a capon bishop, the board of trustees at Dalton had been taken over by educational consultancies pushing the abuse.

    Replies: @Dutch Boy, @Jack D

    Want your child to lose his Catholic faith? Send him to a Catholic [sic] university, e.g., Notre Dame, where the Vagina Monologues got performed regularly for years.

  272. Anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    Morgenthau was from the German Jewish super-elite. He had about as much in common with the average Jew in America (who at that time would have been an Ellis Island immigrant) as Carlos Slim has with the average Mexican wetback. If Slim is accepted in the finest clubs in NY, does that mean that there is no social discrimination against Mexicans in general?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    Morgenthau was from the German Jewish super-elite. He had about as much in common with the average Jew in America (who at that time would have been an Ellis Island immigrant) as Carlos Slim has with the average Mexican wetback.

    Carlos Slim is Lebanese. Mexicans are, well, Mexican.

    Morgenthau and other jews are both jewish.

  273. @Jack D
    @BosTex

    Of course that is true nowadays. But to understand these systems you have to go back to the early days (19th century). There was no such thing as health insurance and hospital care for the poor was mostly charity care. So each religion set up hospitals to provide charity care to sick of their faith.

    There was also discrimination against allowing doctors of another religion on the staff of hospitals so if you were a Catholic or Jewish doctor you weren't going to be admitted to the staff of Presbyterian Hospital.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @BosTex

    Thanks Jack. True. I didn’t want to get into the history. A lot of the institutions we see around us have their roots in charitable support/care that date back to 19th century, where there was no formal insurance of any kind (insurance really dates to the 1920s—1940s).

    People were pretty much “on their own”
    prior to insurance and looked to their own people to find care, hence “jewish” hospitals and various “Christian” denomination hospitals etc.

    Some hospitals were founded with a specific ethnic background, for example I think you can still find hospitals that carry the label “Swedish” in them, etc.

  274. Many denominations have built their own fully accredited colleges with excellent reputations outside of the Ivy League. I am quite confidant that most Catholics and Christians in the 1920’s would have preferred their children attend a college of their own denomination. It was of course a different time.
    I suspect admissions were curious as to why Jews would want to hang out with a bunch of Christians at least nominally.

    The Ivy League itself has done a remarkable job in marketing itself to the world. I commend their success. I would suggest however that there are a significant percentage of people who would prefer their children not attend an Ivy League school due to their extreme liberal ideologies.

    There are so many successful people from so many different colleges throughout America. Is an Ivy League education even worth it?

  275. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    There is no contradiction – I against my brother. I and my brother against my cousin. I, my brother, and my cousin against the world.
     
    Did you just admit that your goal is to use gentile whites to lord over the nonwhites, and then to use your fellow Jews to lord over the gentile whites, and then hope to lord over the Jews, with yourself atop? So all this "suffering Jews in America" trope is just a device to guilt-trip and manipulate the "fellow whites"?

    No wonder you and yours don't understand the culture of self-sacrifice and noblesse oblige.

    Are you trying to fan the flame of anti-Jewish sentiments here? I mentioned this before, but sometimes I think you are actually not Jewish, but someone who intends to malign Jews through sock-puppetry and excessively stereotypical negative behaviors.

    This is an Arab proverb but in reality the whole world works this way.
     
    No, that's not how the whole world works. That's how those of you with the Levantine culture of treachery have made the world once in power.

    No one group is perfect, but my wife's people - the Anglo-Germanics of America - are more of the res publica (in the context of "commonwealth") and "love thy neighbor" cultural bent that tends to benefit the whole and create a more harmonious society than your desert tribal supremacism.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Polistra

    Are you trying to fan the flame of anti-Jewish sentiments here?

    I’ve wondered about this on occasion. It’s as though he’s deliberately inhabiting some serious antisemitic stereotypes for fun and profit, or something. Time after time he exhibits the characteristic disdain for the good of humanity while maintaining an endless, exclusive and almost absurd focus on the care and feeding of the Tribe.

    Someone else here conjectured that if it weren’t for his visceral hatred of the schvartzes he might not be here at all. But then who would micromanage every utterance of the goyim on this site?

    Coincidentally or otherwise, yes the Christian precepts of forgiveness, charity, loving one’s enemies, and especially of “turning the other cheek” are very foreign (anathema!) to the “eye for an eye” people.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  276. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    A dear friend of mine whose father was on the faculty of Columbia's medical school told me that when his father was starting out, the function of hospitals was more akin to the function of what we'd call a hospice today.

    Replies: @Jack D

    In a lot of European languages, the word for nurse is the same as the word for nun – “sister” and the classic nurse’s uniform is adapted from the nun’s habit. The purpose of a hospital in the middle ages was to comfort the dying and prepare them for the next life. No one was expected to walk out again.

    By the 19th century, doctors were actually trying to heal the sick but in most cases there was nothing much that they could do (that didn’t make things even worse). Before anti-biotics, there were few effective drug treatments. Practices that are today regarded as quackery (such homeopathic medicine and osteopathy) existed side by side with the ancestors of mainstream medicine because the results achieved were not significantly worse. (Some of these movements later moved closer to mainstream medicine but I am referring to their original form). Surgery and anesthesia were crude and not conducted under anti-septic conditions and if you survived the operation then you would frequently die of infection anyway. The rich would be nursed at home, which was probably better because a hospital was (and for that matter still is) a really good place to pick up a fatal infection.

  277. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Catholic schools have lay faculty who are there for the job. (The son-in-law of a friend of ours was hired by a Catholic school after finishing up at Franciscan; he was thoroughly demoralized by the whole mise-en-scene and lasted one year on the faculty). The religious orders have largely evaporated and many of those who remain in them and are still of working age have no interest in advancing the Catholic faith. If you're at all curious, you can read about the catastrophe at Charlotte (NC) Catholic High School when Sr. Jane Dominic Laurel gave and address there in 2014. The clientele of the school are professional-managerial class people who are not impressed with the hired help and not pleased when instruction at the school contravenes the prejudices of professional-managerial types, even when it's a one-off lecture series. This was a few years ago. What's interesting to me is contrasting what happened with what has happened at places like the Dalton School in the last two years, where the parents were much more timid in dealing with a neuralgic situation which incorporated a comprehensive revision of the curriculum, a faculty and administration revealed to be frankly hostile to their clientele and seeking opportunities to be abusive to students. Unlike the situation in Charlotte, where you had a capon bishop, the board of trustees at Dalton had been taken over by educational consultancies pushing the abuse.

    Replies: @Dutch Boy, @Jack D

    Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy (which is the principal-agent problems stated in another way) explains a lot:

    “In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals that the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely. ”

    This assumes of course that Sr. Jane Dominic Laurel actually represents the goals that the Church is supposed to accomplish. You could say that one of the goals of the Church and Catholic education is turning people away from sin and buggery is a form of sin.

    But some of the sister’s arguments perhaps went beyond what was necessary to convey that message and perhaps were not really proven. She supposedly asserted that homosexuality occurs mainly as a result of parents’ shortcomings and pornography, that single and divorced parents caused kids to become gay; that homosexuals cannot live normal, productive lives; and that gays can’t be good parents.

    The current Pope, who perhaps speaks for the Church with more authority than Sr. Jane, OTOH, has stated: “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”

    I have no dog in this fight but it strikes me that Jesus would also tend to be less judgmental of human frailty than the good sister. If I had to pick between them, I think I would prefer to hang out with Francis and Jesus and not with Sister You are all Going to Hell Laurel.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    She supposedly asserted that homosexuality occurs mainly as a result of parents’ shortcomings and pornography

    Actually, what she did was review a study which had been published in the Linacre Quarterly. And, no, that is not the model explored in such studies.


    The current Pope, who perhaps speaks for the Church with more authority than Sr. Jane, OTOH, has stated: “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”

    Which is not Catholic teaching either. Neither is the Pope's airline magisterium binding on Catholics. The statement is not structured in a way that could be made binding.


    I have no dog in this fight but it strikes me that Jesus would also tend to be less judgmental of human frailty than the good sister.

    It's been a while since I've seen smug cluelessness stated with such concision.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  278. @Jack D
    @epebble

    My wife (who works with kids) once actually had a patient who was a Jewish kid who attended Catholic school. I think it was kind of a blue-collarish Jewish family with not much money (yes, these exist) who lived in Philadelphia and the alternative was attending a mostly black Philadelphia public school.

    Ironically, the Catholic schools in Philly now have a lot of blacks too and a lot of the blacks are not Catholic - they go to Catholic school for the same reason. The question is whether at some point they will overwhelm those schools with their numbers. Also whether the Church will subsidize a system of schools that benefit mostly non-believers.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @epebble

    My experience with Catholic and other Christian schools/institutions is that that they are extraordinarily ecumenical in both hiring their faculty/workers and admitting students. Unless one is virulently anti-Catholic or anti-Christian, they will not bother. It only comes to friction when taboo topics like abortion or same-sex relationship come to the fore.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Actually, the people who ran them ca. 1971 went out of their way to destroy their architectonic mission.

    Catholic schooling is done as an institutional model except for a low two-digit population of small schools. (The University of Dallas with about 4,000 students is the largest, but last I heard the priest put in charge of it was trying to wreck it). It might be revived some centuries hence if the religious orders could be rebuilt. Home school co-operatives and small under-the-radar student clubs are what remains. Note, this would remain so even if the episcopate was composed of faithful Catholics. It is not. It's a business with most of those guys. As for the Pope, he's the most effective recruiter SSPX and Orthodoxy have ever had.

  279. @anonymous
    @Colin Wright


    After all, it’s not just that Jews are running everything, it’s that they’re no damned good at the job. What are we supposed to do? Wait around and hope they get better?
     
    Oh, they seem to be very good at their jobs. They are advancing agendas. Maybe the problem for you is that their interests and goals differ from yours.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Oh, they seem to be very good at their jobs…’

    That’s just it. In general, I’d agree with your point: that if people appear to be being really stupid, it’s just that you don’t understand their actual intent. For example, all our ‘bungling’ in Iraq starts to make a lot more sense if you realize that we were there to permanently wreck any hopes of a coherent, stable Arab state that might inconvenience or defy Israel. Once that’s understood, most of our actions look pretty intelligent.

    However, in this case…

    Are the Jews really stupid enough to think they’ll benefit from this? Who do they think is going to get eaten first when America is reduced to poly-ethnic, blood-soaked anarchy? Do they picture the black home invaders checking to make sure they’re no menorahs before killing the men, raping the women and children, and sacking the house?

    What happens to Israel when the dollar is worthless? Is there going to be some point in acquiring a degree from Harvard when the school is no longer respected? Etc.

    How can they be so witless? They’re on the same boat, and in fact, they’re the ones who can’t swim. The rest of us are off in the woods with canned goods and lots of ammunition. We’ll be okay; they won’t.

  280. @Twinkie
    @BosTex


    ruger 101 loaded with .357 Hp
     
    I’m by no means recoil-sensitive, and I love me some wheel guns, but that’s a handful esp. with hotter 357 mag loads and, worse still, leads to very slow follow-up shots. And that 101 has a terrible, gritty trigger that is a bitch to improve. Ruger did better with the LCR trigger.

    Btw, have you ever shot a 357 mag indoors with no hearing protection? Ringing for days.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin

    I’m by no means recoil-sensitive, and I love me some wheel guns, but that’s a handful esp. with hotter 357 mag loads and, worse still, leads to very slow follow-up shots.

    [2:35]

    “Magnum .357… is my car gun…”

    • LOL: BosTex
    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Joe Stalin

    Lol. I didn’t realize I was a liberal by having a .357 as my car gun.

    Terrific, thanks for sharing. I am going to have to see this movie.

    , @Twinkie
    @Joe Stalin


    “Magnum .357… is my car gun…”
     
    Amateur.

    I carry a handgun to fight to my long guns, which are my car guns.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  281. @anon
    @Jack D


    they sure hang crosses a lot including on every brand new building and that is more crosses than I would be comfortable seeing as a student or parent of a student.
     
    Why on earth would you be bothered by the sight of crosses?

    Replies: @Jack D, @HammerJack

    If you visited a university with the Islamic crescent moon atop every building and a big mosque at the center of campus and the president of the university was an imam from a Muslim religious order, would you be comfortable attending?

    Villanova is a perfectly fine university – it’s just not for me.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Jack D

    Then there is:


    “I would rather be ruled by a just Turk than by an unjust Christian.”
     
    Said by WASP#1 https://images.gr-assets.com/authors/1209357172p8/29874.jpg

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Hibernian
    @Jack D

    I don't think widespread plastering of crucifixes on the walls everywhere is anywhere near universal at Catholic colleges and unis. My only experience with them was at a local Catholic college (where Dad was in the administration) in Davenport IA, for one semester, in 1972. The architecture was very plain and I don't remember any crucifixes in the classrooms.

    Not saying the same would be the case at Villanove recently, maybe they're just different, maybe there's been a recent neo traditionalist movement, or maybe I just forgot the crucifixes, if there were any. BTW, crucifixes on the wall in Catholic elementary school were quite small.

  282. @Jack D
    @anon

    If you visited a university with the Islamic crescent moon atop every building and a big mosque at the center of campus and the president of the university was an imam from a Muslim religious order, would you be comfortable attending?

    Villanova is a perfectly fine university - it's just not for me.

    Replies: @epebble, @Hibernian

    Then there is:

    “I would rather be ruled by a just Turk than by an unjust Christian.”

    Said by WASP#1

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @epebble

    Do you know any just Turks?

    Replies: @epebble

  283. @anon
    @Jack D


    they sure hang crosses a lot including on every brand new building and that is more crosses than I would be comfortable seeing as a student or parent of a student.
     
    Why on earth would you be bothered by the sight of crosses?

    Replies: @Jack D, @HammerJack

    That’s supposed to be a LOL but I’ve run out of ammo and can’t correct it. Why can’t we have a few more reactions each day? It shouldn’t cost too much for Ron, should it?

  284. @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    Quite possibly. Norman Cantor "For all their elaborate procedures [in reviewing candidates for tenure], they have a history department that's no better than ten others." Ill wager if you look at citation patterns delineated in Web of Science, you wouldn't discover the Ivy League was more productive that the general run of research universities. Cantor had a tale of a Harvard professor he'd known ca. 1955 whose entire professional output consisted of two papers, "one of which was wrong and the other of which was unreadable". For decades they had John Kenneth Galbraith on their faculty, even though he published little scholarly literature (I had a hard time finding any when I tried to pull together a bibliography of his work). As for their teaching, Thos. Sowell has been making the case for decades that the actual value-added of elite education is challenging to detect in the professional arc of their graduates. Have a look at the capsule biographies of Fortune 500 CEOs. Ivy is there, but so are non-Ivy private universities, state universities, large teaching institutions like Hofstra, as well as those with no degree (e.g. Michael Dell). The one place where Ivy is the norm is the federal appellate judiciary.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Cantor had a tale of a Harvard professor he’d known ca. 1955 whose entire professional output consisted of two papers, “one of which was wrong and the other of which was unreadable”.

    Tale is indeed the right word for that story.

    The one place where Ivy is the norm is the federal appellate judiciary.

    Off the top of my head, the most prominent law firms in Manhattan and Washington also qualify. Other examples include business consulting (McKinsey, Deloitte etc) and so-called ‘high finance’, including investment banking.

    • Replies: @ex-banker
    @HammerJack

    McKinsey, Bain, BCG and the top investment banks, yes. Deloitte not remotely in that category.

  285. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy (which is the principal-agent problems stated in another way) explains a lot:

    "In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals that the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely. "

    This assumes of course that Sr. Jane Dominic Laurel actually represents the goals that the Church is supposed to accomplish. You could say that one of the goals of the Church and Catholic education is turning people away from sin and buggery is a form of sin.

    But some of the sister's arguments perhaps went beyond what was necessary to convey that message and perhaps were not really proven. She supposedly asserted that homosexuality occurs mainly as a result of parents' shortcomings and pornography, that single and divorced parents caused kids to become gay; that homosexuals cannot live normal, productive lives; and that gays can't be good parents.

    The current Pope, who perhaps speaks for the Church with more authority than Sr. Jane, OTOH, has stated: "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?"

    I have no dog in this fight but it strikes me that Jesus would also tend to be less judgmental of human frailty than the good sister. If I had to pick between them, I think I would prefer to hang out with Francis and Jesus and not with Sister You are all Going to Hell Laurel.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    She supposedly asserted that homosexuality occurs mainly as a result of parents’ shortcomings and pornography

    Actually, what she did was review a study which had been published in the Linacre Quarterly. And, no, that is not the model explored in such studies.

    The current Pope, who perhaps speaks for the Church with more authority than Sr. Jane, OTOH, has stated: “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”

    Which is not Catholic teaching either. Neither is the Pope’s airline magisterium binding on Catholics. The statement is not structured in a way that could be made binding.

    I have no dog in this fight but it strikes me that Jesus would also tend to be less judgmental of human frailty than the good sister.

    It’s been a while since I’ve seen smug cluelessness stated with such concision.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Art Deco


    ...airline magisterium...
     
    Art, that's good enough that I'd like to steal it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  286. @epebble
    @Jack D

    My experience with Catholic and other Christian schools/institutions is that that they are extraordinarily ecumenical in both hiring their faculty/workers and admitting students. Unless one is virulently anti-Catholic or anti-Christian, they will not bother. It only comes to friction when taboo topics like abortion or same-sex relationship come to the fore.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Actually, the people who ran them ca. 1971 went out of their way to destroy their architectonic mission.

    Catholic schooling is done as an institutional model except for a low two-digit population of small schools. (The University of Dallas with about 4,000 students is the largest, but last I heard the priest put in charge of it was trying to wreck it). It might be revived some centuries hence if the religious orders could be rebuilt. Home school co-operatives and small under-the-radar student clubs are what remains. Note, this would remain so even if the episcopate was composed of faithful Catholics. It is not. It’s a business with most of those guys. As for the Pope, he’s the most effective recruiter SSPX and Orthodoxy have ever had.

  287. @epebble
    @Jack D

    Then there is:


    “I would rather be ruled by a just Turk than by an unjust Christian.”
     
    Said by WASP#1 https://images.gr-assets.com/authors/1209357172p8/29874.jpg

    Replies: @Jack D

    Do you know any just Turks?

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Jack D

    A few I personally knew were nice people. But, knowing the history of Armenia, Greece and Kurds, the final answer is an unqualified negative.

  288. @Jack D
    @anon

    If you visited a university with the Islamic crescent moon atop every building and a big mosque at the center of campus and the president of the university was an imam from a Muslim religious order, would you be comfortable attending?

    Villanova is a perfectly fine university - it's just not for me.

    Replies: @epebble, @Hibernian

    I don’t think widespread plastering of crucifixes on the walls everywhere is anywhere near universal at Catholic colleges and unis. My only experience with them was at a local Catholic college (where Dad was in the administration) in Davenport IA, for one semester, in 1972. The architecture was very plain and I don’t remember any crucifixes in the classrooms.

    Not saying the same would be the case at Villanove recently, maybe they’re just different, maybe there’s been a recent neo traditionalist movement, or maybe I just forgot the crucifixes, if there were any. BTW, crucifixes on the wall in Catholic elementary school were quite small.

  289. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    She supposedly asserted that homosexuality occurs mainly as a result of parents’ shortcomings and pornography

    Actually, what she did was review a study which had been published in the Linacre Quarterly. And, no, that is not the model explored in such studies.


    The current Pope, who perhaps speaks for the Church with more authority than Sr. Jane, OTOH, has stated: “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”

    Which is not Catholic teaching either. Neither is the Pope's airline magisterium binding on Catholics. The statement is not structured in a way that could be made binding.


    I have no dog in this fight but it strikes me that Jesus would also tend to be less judgmental of human frailty than the good sister.

    It's been a while since I've seen smug cluelessness stated with such concision.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    …airline magisterium…

    Art, that’s good enough that I’d like to steal it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Hibernian

    Not original to me. Gotten to be a commonplace in the Catholic blogosphere.

  290. @Father Coughlin
    @Art Deco

    Don't have time to explain the last 100 years of developments in higher education to you.

    But sorry my screen name triggers you.

    ps what is “denominational architecture”?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    He was a monetary crank, and no I don’t care. Again, no clue why you fancy regional colleges have disappeared. That’s demonstrably untrue.

  291. @Hibernian
    @Art Deco


    ...airline magisterium...
     
    Art, that's good enough that I'd like to steal it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Not original to me. Gotten to be a commonplace in the Catholic blogosphere.

  292. @kaganovitch
    @AnotherDad

    Doesn’t it make sense more sense to moderate wage inflation with increased immigration than by raising rates?

    This attitude is absolutely ubiquitous among the gentry class. It is far from specifically Jewish. It's simply the equivalent of "We needs our weaves" for aspiring aristocracy, "We need our nannies and gardeners". As regards Ackman specifically, he is flogging what is in the interests of the companies in his portfolio rather then the interests of the working man. Were the bloated plutocrats of the pre-Jewish American past any different?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Polistra, @Colin Wright

    ‘…Were the bloated plutocrats of the pre-Jewish American past any different?’

    In several respects, yes, they were. Equally important, the popular response to them and the degree to which they were able to control that response were different.

    Compare Mark Zuckerberg and what people think about Facebook and the 2020 election to Andrew Carnegie and the Homestead Strike.

    …in the past, we may not have been exactly dazzled by the brilliance, but now we’re definitely getting baffled by the bullshit.

    …Jewish bullshit.

  293. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    The country club thing is a bad faith argument – no one cares about country clubs, therefore anti-Semitism in America was no big thang. Anti-Semitism was MUCH broader and deeper than just country clubs. The country club was just the tip of the iceberg . Anti-Semitism involved education employment, housing , etc. but Unzites keep coming back to country clubs in order to discredit the actual reality. Pre-1960s America was not Nazi Germany or Czarist Russia but neither was it free from serious discrimination against Jews.
     
    I've done this dance with you before, but, you like to be the mole in "whack-a-mole," so here go I:

    In this Eeeevil "pre-1960s" America where Jews were oppressed, this poor discriminated Jew named Henry Morgenthau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau_Jr.), somehow managed to hide his Jewishness and rise to become:


    the United States Secretary of the Treasury during most of the administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt. He played a major role in designing and financing the New Deal. After 1937, while still in charge of the Treasury, he played the central role in financing United States participation in World War II.[1] He also played an increasingly major role in shaping foreign policy, especially with respect to Lend-Lease, support for China, helping Jewish refugees, and proposing (in the "Morgenthau Plan") measures to deindustrialise Germany.[2]

    Morgenthau was the father of Robert M. Morgenthau, who was District Attorney of Manhattan for 35 years and Henry Morgenthau III, an American author and television producer. He continued as Treasury secretary through the first few months of Harry Truman's presidency, and from June 27, 1945, to July 3, 1945, following the resignation of Secretary of State Edward Stettinius Jr., was next in line to the presidency.
     

    Via Exeter, Dwight, and Cornell, of course, not to forget early friendship with FDR and Eleanor.

    Thank goodness, somehow, the cooler heads prevailed and Morgenthau's desire to turn Germany into a giant potato patch came to nill. Must be because these horrible Goyim figured out that he was, gasp, a Jew!


    Henry Morgenthau Jr. was born into a prominent Jewish family in New York City, the son of Josephine (Sykes) and Henry Morgenthau Sr., a real estate mogul and diplomat. His parents were born in Germany.
     
    Question: in this horribly oppressive and anti-Semitic America, how did Henry's parents immigrate from Europe and become "prominent" and his father "a real estate mogul and diplomat"? I thought anti-Semitism before 1960's was "broad and deep"? He couldn't get into a country club, but could make his son the financial lord of America?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Jack D, @James B. Shearer

    “In this Eeeevil “pre-1960s” America where Jews were oppressed, this poor discriminated Jew named Henry Morgenthau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau_Jr.), somehow managed to hide his Jewishness and rise to become:”

    This sort of single example proves nothing. Commenters here often complain (sometimes with good reason) about contemporary discrimination against white people. Does the fact that some white people nevertheless succeed prove that no such discrimination exists?

  294. @Jack D
    @epebble

    Do you know any just Turks?

    Replies: @epebble

    A few I personally knew were nice people. But, knowing the history of Armenia, Greece and Kurds, the final answer is an unqualified negative.

  295. @Joe Stalin
    @Twinkie


    I’m by no means recoil-sensitive, and I love me some wheel guns, but that’s a handful esp. with hotter 357 mag loads and, worse still, leads to very slow follow-up shots.
     
    https://youtu.be/mSlE_GrK2sw?t=155
    [2:35]

    "Magnum .357... is my car gun..."

    Replies: @BosTex, @Twinkie

    Lol. I didn’t realize I was a liberal by having a .357 as my car gun.

    Terrific, thanks for sharing. I am going to have to see this movie.

  296. @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    Disagree. Tuchman had a great talent at translating academic history for the general reader.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BosTex

    Tuchman is a pretty good popular historian. My recollection (read in late 1980s, early 1990s) is that The Proud Tower, The Guns of August and A Distant Mirror were all very engaging, especially the latter two.

    I’ll have to go back and re-read, but I do not recall her grinding any axes, ethnic or otherwise.

    It seems pretty unfair to pull in that she was the granddaughter of so and so, etc. No one picks their relatives. Either the research and writing is good or it isn’t, her grandparents aren’t the ones doing the writing.

  297. @BosTex
    @Twinkie

    It does have a bit of recoil and takes some getting used to. Does have a heavy trigger pull. I do love wheel guns. They are the best. Absolutely reliable.
    Have a bunch, mostly .38.

    I keep a .44 mag Taurus in the bedside drawer along with a .357 mag Taurus. The .44 is a scary little devil.

    The .357 is 7 shot 6” barrel that fires beautifully with no recoil with .38 hp. Easy headshots at 50, shot after shot.

    Always wear ear protection. Always.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I do love wheel guns. They are the best. Absolutely reliable.

    Look, I carry a GP100 loaded with very hot 357 mags when I am in the mountains (only black bears in my area, no brown bears). But wheel guns are not always “absolutely reliable.” They can fail and when they seize up, it’s very hard to get it going (there is no “tap, rack, bang” for revolvers). And they are very easy to get gunked up in the field unless you have a full flap holster.

    It does have a bit of recoil and takes some getting used to.

    I don’t care how much you get used to the recoil, firing hot 357 mags out of an SP101 is going to create a lot of muzzle rise and it’s going to slow down your follow-up shots. Try your timer if you don’t believe me.

    I keep a .44 mag Taurus in the bedside drawer along with a .357 mag Taurus.

    I see 1) you like low quality guns and 2) you have never fired a 44 mag or 357 mag in darkness.

    Always wear ear protection. Always.

    Are you the guy walking around the street with the Peltors?

  298. @Joe Stalin
    @Twinkie


    I’m by no means recoil-sensitive, and I love me some wheel guns, but that’s a handful esp. with hotter 357 mag loads and, worse still, leads to very slow follow-up shots.
     
    https://youtu.be/mSlE_GrK2sw?t=155
    [2:35]

    "Magnum .357... is my car gun..."

    Replies: @BosTex, @Twinkie

    “Magnum .357… is my car gun…”

    Amateur.

    I carry a handgun to fight to my long guns, which are my car guns.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Twinkie

    The .357 Magnum actually WAS designed as a "Car Gun," to defeat the thick steel car doors of the gangster era.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQP_Ku2iN0o

    Replies: @Twinkie

  299. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    Morgenthau was from the German Jewish super-elite. He had about as much in common with the average Jew in America (who at that time would have been an Ellis Island immigrant) as Carlos Slim has with the average Mexican wetback. If Slim is accepted in the finest clubs in NY, does that mean that there is no social discrimination against Mexicans in general?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    Morgenthau was from the German Jewish super-elite. He had about as much in common with the average Jew in America (who at that time would have been an Ellis Island immigrant) as Carlos Slim has with the average Mexican wetback. If Slim is accepted in the finest clubs in NY, does that mean that there is no social discrimination against Mexicans in general?

    First of all, Carlos Slim is of your Levantine “me and my brother against my cousin” ethny and culture, and not natively of Mexico, so perhaps you are unwittingly making a point here.

    Second, Slim, as wealthy and influential as he is, is in no way the financial overlord of America or in line to the presidency in the 21st century while Morgenthau achieved all that in the eeeeevil “pre-1960’s America” you paint as highly anti-Semitic.

    Third, yes, Henry Morgenthau was an elite Jew… which is why I asked, how did his father, an immigrant Jew from Germany become “prominent… a real estate mogul and a diplomat” in this supposedly anti-Semitic America with lots of barriers in the first place? How did he become elite in the first place despite all these supposed barriers?

    The reality is that the supposed anti-Semitism of “pre-1960’s America” is highly exaggerated by the Jewish-dominated media and pop culture and by the likes of you. You even “sort of ” admitted to this – that the Jews were not the Victim-est People Ever – after trying to ride the coat tails of anti-black discriminations of the past: https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-systemic-racism-particularly-non-systemic/#comment-5141312

    Do you not understand that all your past writings are archived here, so it’s not hard to see you play the “flight from white” and “fellow white” games at various times? Again, I ask you, are you trying to make Jews look bad?

  300. @HammerJack
    @Art Deco


    Cantor had a tale of a Harvard professor he’d known ca. 1955 whose entire professional output consisted of two papers, “one of which was wrong and the other of which was unreadable”.

     

    Tale is indeed the right word for that story.

    The one place where Ivy is the norm is the federal appellate judiciary.
     
    Off the top of my head, the most prominent law firms in Manhattan and Washington also qualify. Other examples include business consulting (McKinsey, Deloitte etc) and so-called 'high finance', including investment banking.

    Replies: @ex-banker

    McKinsey, Bain, BCG and the top investment banks, yes. Deloitte not remotely in that category.

  301. “Magnum .357… is my car gun…”

    Amateur.

    I carry a handgun to fight to my long guns, which are my car guns.

    You’re both amateurs.

    My car gun is a sawed-off Mosin-Nagant which I turned into a Mare’s Leg.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Truth


    My car gun is a sawed-off Mosin-Nagant which I turned into a Mare’s Leg.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3HMbJxMwXU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI7OIaRHbz4

    Replies: @Truth

  302. @Chrisnonymous
    @JimB

    It depends why you are asking about the ranking. If you're trying to decide where to send your kid, SAT score ranking is best, because the experience of university is of being surrounded by other students. It's not just classrooms but dorms, cafeterias, etc. Other than SAT score, the only other thing I would pay attention to is "wokeness". I don't know how to measure that, but doing some reading could clue you in. Pick the school with high SATs that is least likely to land your kid in a controversy.

    Replies: @JimB

    If you’re trying to decide where to send your kid, SAT score ranking is best, because the experience of university is of being surrounded by other students.

    Yes, but students usually attend the school they get into with the highest SAT average. But half the students there will be below average and that’s not where a student will have the best academic experience. The wise student chooses the school where his SAT or ACT scores put him at one sigma above average. Of course, if he’s off the curve, he should try to finish an elite school in two years and get into graduate school as quickly as possible.

  303. @anon
    @Nachum


    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, “Don’t you think we have enough of your kind here?” Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell. He went back to Yeshiva, where he got his doctorate in philosophy, was ordained a rabbi, and eventually joined the faculty.
     
    Would Yeshiva allow its student body to become dominated by Christians or Muslims?

    There’s a lot of hypocrisy in this jewish whining. It borders on malicious.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @Nachum

    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, “Don’t you think we have enough of your kind here?” Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell. He went back to Yeshiva, where he got his doctorate in philosophy, was ordained a rabbi, and eventually joined the faculty.

    This story is an obvious lie. He was born in 1927. When he was applying to college, Columbia and all of the Ivies were already very heavily jewish and had been so for decades. Jews tell lies like this story to incite hate against white people and to assert that we have no right to even be admitted to our own universities.

    Growing up in NYC, I heard countless lies from jews that relatives of their had been denied admission to various colleges or grad programs that they really wanted to get into because they were jewish. These claims were tossed off with the same self assured mindlessness and lack of supporting evidence as the similar claims blacks make. The jewish “victims” they were talking about were baby boomers who were rejected from these schools during the 60’s and 70’s.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @ATBOTL

    1948 is still not the 1960's. The Ivies went very Jewish until the 1920's and then weren't until the 1950's at least.

  304. @Twinkie
    @Joe Stalin


    “Magnum .357… is my car gun…”
     
    Amateur.

    I carry a handgun to fight to my long guns, which are my car guns.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    The .357 Magnum actually WAS designed as a “Car Gun,” to defeat the thick steel car doors of the gangster era.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Joe Stalin

    357 mag might be powerful for a handgun, but it pales in comparison to the energy that long gun delivers.

  305. @Truth



    “Magnum .357… is my car gun…”

    Amateur.

    I carry a handgun to fight to my long guns, which are my car guns.

     

    You're both amateurs.

    My car gun is a sawed-off Mosin-Nagant which I turned into a Mare's Leg.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    My car gun is a sawed-off Mosin-Nagant which I turned into a Mare’s Leg.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Joe Stalin

    Now that's pretty damn cool. Everytime you think you have thought of something original, someone has already done it.

    I actually have a Mosin-Nagant, I should do that.

    The guy needs to learn how to operate the bolt with his left hand though.

  306. @James B. Shearer
    @Twinkie

    No, that’s not how the whole world works. That’s how those of you with the Levantine culture of treachery have made the world once in power."

    Actually it is although sometimes phrased differently as something like myself ahead of my brother, my brother ahead of my cousin, my cousin ahead of my countryman and my countryman ahead of a foreigner. The idea being most people don't feel equally obliged to everyone but feel a complex web of obligations which lead them to respond to some appeals for help but not others by people similarly situated.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Actually it is although sometimes phrased differently as something like myself ahead of my brother, my brother ahead of my cousin, my cousin ahead of my countryman and my countryman ahead of a foreigner. The idea being most people don’t feel equally obliged to everyone but feel a complex web of obligations which lead them to respond to some appeals for help but not others by people similarly situated.

    That’s what barbarians do. That’s not the foundational principle of Western civilization, which depended on the weakening of extended kinship ties and strengthening of the idea of res publica, largely facilitated by the Catholic Church. Razib Khan reviewed Joe Henrich’s book that lays out this case: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/book-review-the-weirdest-people-in-the-world-audacious-surprising/

    The Bedouins have a saying, “I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world.” David Kaczynski, the brother of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, was no Bedouin. When the Washington Post published the Unabomber’s manifesto, his brother immediately recognized the writing and informed the FBI who he believed was the author. Today, Ted Kaczynski sits in prison because of the information provided by his own brother. A Bedouin would be confused.

    Harvard anthropologist Joe Henrich offers his explanation of the origins of this divergence between the values of the Bedouin and Americans, and its significance in world history, in The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous.

    Henrich’s argument is audacious and surprising. He begins with the fall of Rome and the Western Christian Church’s destruction of the powerful ancient families, and then connects this to the flowering of European liberalism and the scientific revolution over 1,000 years later.

    Societies differ based on the nature of their “family values.” If you are an American, David Kaczynski’s action may seem meritorious. But in most societies, there are strong taboos against turning in family members for crimes. In China, sons were not necessarily punished if they gave refuge to a father who was a fugitive from the law. The family was sacrosanct above larger, more abstract institutions. This is not true in the West. WEIRDest People in the World offers the intellectual genealogy for how this came to be.

    [MORE]

    The central role of the pope in Rome in 600 a.d. illustrates that after the fall of the Empire, the Christian Church remained the singular transnational institution standing. Thomas Hobbes stated that “the papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman Empire.” Western Europe’s barbarian rulers were weak and lacked the credibility of the Roman emperors. But the Church could provide them with institutional legitimacy. Even a ruler as powerful as Charlemagne was crowned Emperor of the Romans by the pope.

    But all good things come with a cost, and in exchange for granting Europe’s barbarian rulers legitimacy, the Western Church demanded its own powers and domain of control. European Christianity had adopted from the Greco-Romans the norm of universal monogamy. The Western Church also barred adoption and enforced strong prohibitions on marriages between close relatives. Again, the Church initially adopted relatively narrow Roman prohibitions on incest, which would allow marriages between first cousins. But in the ninth century, they expanded the scope out to sixth cousins.

    These rules limited the potential pool of mates for any aristocrat. And once a noble married, the emphasis on monogamy meant that only legitimate offspring could inherit property. Charlemagne had many concubines at any given time, but only one wife. He had only four legitimate grandsons, all sons of his fourth son. The emphasis on monogamy was radically egalitarian. The most powerful man in Europe had one wife at any given time, just like all the peasants in his domains.

    The reasons for what Henrich calls the “Marriage and Family Program” (MFP) are obscure, but its consequences were significant. In the short term, the Christian Church prevented the emergence of elite extended family lineages which could accumulate power and property. Rather, over time the medieval Church became more and more powerful, as the Holy Roman Emperor Henry IV’s abasement at the feet of the pope in the eleventh century illustrates. The Church also became exceedingly wealthy, often inheriting the lands of rich aristocrats who did not have legitimate natural-born heirs.

    But the more important long-term consequence of the MFP was that vast spaces opened up in the culture for institutions unmoored from the family. The Church served as a model, with monastic communities bringing together unrelated men to cooperate and live together. The collapse of extended lineages meant that most Western Europeans lived in nuclear families, and young newlyweds started their own independent households. Cultures with a thick network of relationships take for granted that individuals can look to family to smooth their life path, but Western Europeans did not have that option. And so they developed guilds, fraternities, and assemblies. Medieval Europeans had to rely on Edmund Burke’s “little platoons” to give solidity to their lives because of the lack of extended families.

    These institutions were often based around charters. Europeans became comfortable with the rule of law out of necessity because a world of strangers needed to rely on transparent abstractions, not what the Chinese call “guanxi” — networks of power. Western Europe’s literate elite, the clerics, by definition, did not have legitimate heirs, and so modeled a life outside of family networks. Scaffolded by the regularity of canon law, they began to resurrect abstruse Greek rationality. In northern Italy, city-states reemerged, modeled on ancient precedents, but given economic and cultural vigor by the individualism and rationality becoming the norm in Western Europe.

    The WEIRDest People in the World makes a strong case that the Christian Church’s MFP was the cause for the transformation of Western European society during the medieval period. Henrich even points out that the Byzantine Empire, where the Church was subordinate to the state, did not enact the MFP, and today Orthodox societies are far less WEIRD — though no less Christian.

    • Thanks: Jim Don Bob
  307. @anon
    @Nachum


    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, “Don’t you think we have enough of your kind here?” Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell. He went back to Yeshiva, where he got his doctorate in philosophy, was ordained a rabbi, and eventually joined the faculty.
     
    Would Yeshiva allow its student body to become dominated by Christians or Muslims?

    There’s a lot of hypocrisy in this jewish whining. It borders on malicious.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @Nachum

    Non-Jews don’t apply to Yeshiva’s undergraduate schools, for good reason. Its admissions policies are that it’s open to all.

    Yeshiva’s graduate schools are majority non-Jewish, I’m guessing.

    Brandeis is majority non-Jewish.

  308. Except Lamm told the story.

    Are you denying the quotas existed?

  309. @Joe Stalin
    @Twinkie

    The .357 Magnum actually WAS designed as a "Car Gun," to defeat the thick steel car doors of the gangster era.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQP_Ku2iN0o

    Replies: @Twinkie

    357 mag might be powerful for a handgun, but it pales in comparison to the energy that long gun delivers.

  310. @Joe Stalin
    @Truth


    My car gun is a sawed-off Mosin-Nagant which I turned into a Mare’s Leg.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3HMbJxMwXU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI7OIaRHbz4

    Replies: @Truth

    Now that’s pretty damn cool. Everytime you think you have thought of something original, someone has already done it.

    I actually have a Mosin-Nagant, I should do that.

    The guy needs to learn how to operate the bolt with his left hand though.

  311. Anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yngvar
    @Anonymous


    Were the hospitals the jews created, created to treat jews exclusively.
     
    No, I suppose it was for practical reasons. Having a rabbi on call, religious observance, dietary requirements and so on, is easier to ensure when Jews run the place.

    Replies: @Anon

    Were the hospitals the jews created, created to treat jews exclusively

    .

    No, I suppose it was for practical reasons. Having a rabbi on call, religious observance, dietary requirements and so on, is easier to ensure when Jews run the place.

    Does that mean that most of the patients at a Jewish hospital were Jewish?

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    @Anon


    Does that mean that most of the patients at a Jewish hospital were Jewish?
     
    Sure. Who else would go in for treatment where they don't dish out bacon for breakfast?
  312. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Question for Steve. Among the many posts you've written about golf in general, from the founding of country clubs, to the various PGA golfers in particular, there's one thing that hasn't been discussed.

    For all their vaunted founding of country clubs, how come American Jews have failed to produce even one single super golfer among the PGA's history of the last hundred years? There's been black, Hispanic, Asian, and of course caucasian PGA superstar golfers, but to the best of my knowledge, there's not been one single Jewish golfer who's been dominant on the PGA tour over its storied history. Certainly we'd have heard of him if he existed. Jones, Sneed, Nicholaus, Palmer, Player, Eldrick, Spieth, etc. were/are not Jewish.

    When you think of great PGA golfers, Jews just simply don't come to mind. Why is that?

    Perhaps the main reason for founding the country clubs wasn't so that Jews could learn to play competent golf and then advance to dominate the Majors, but for the simple reason of human nature: A place to socialize, conduct business (something that they do tend to know about) on the links. And of course for the chow. But actually playing golf? Just doesn't appear to be in their DNA.

    Basically the clubs remain an outdoors Elks club, and gentile-free at that.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

  313. @kaganovitch
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    And there again, aside from the odd exception Sandy Koufax HOF LA P, can’t really recall very many Jews who have dominated on the field of MLB.

    While not quite Koufax, Hank Greenberg and Al Rosen were top 10 players in their respective eras.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Speaking of RBI machine Greenberg, does anyone else feel like, after DiMaggio’s hitting streak, that Hack Wilson’s 191 RBIs is baseball’s unbreakable record?

    It endured through the PED Era. 98 years and counting.

  314. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @kaganovitch


    Sad to say, my experience with the veritas that vino elicits has always been disappointing. We live in hope, though.
     
    If the social situation presents itself, double the dosage in half the time and aim for surreal congeniality. Just don’t veer into vino vomitus!

    I’ll float a recommendation to the crew for another look:

    “Yeah, that guy. Goes by ‘kaganovitch.’ Arch, I know. I call him ‘k.’ But he’s a mensch, as they say. And he’s a hoot when he’s fully on the sauce… Where? Sailer’s blog. Isn’t Steve flying out for a foursome at the fundraiser next week? Anyway, k is generous with the LOLs. Yeah, me! I know, I know. And he doesn’t get riled at criticism of Canadians—real even keel. Not a suck-up either. Could be good to send it back to the Skipper.”

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Thanks, I think.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @kaganovitch


    Thanks, I think.
     
    Welcome aboard!

    Seriously, it was a challenge to come up with a response to your initial throwaway joke that you were the one Buzz encountered in his recounting—your jest was out of character from your persona as a commenter here; you don’t come off as a hostile, self-pitying drunk. (But in real life, who knows? Oy!) A simple LOL, which I was tempted to leave, would not suffice. Hence the 'Connecticut clubber' dialogue, also in jest. :)
  315. @ATBOTL
    @anon


    The president of Yeshiva in my time was the late Norman Lamm. A chemistry major as a Yeshiva undergrad, he applied to a graduate program at Columbia. As he told it, the admissions officer looked at his application, then him, and finally said, “Don’t you think we have enough of your kind here?” Lamm reached across the desk, tore up his application, and told the guy to go to hell. He went back to Yeshiva, where he got his doctorate in philosophy, was ordained a rabbi, and eventually joined the faculty.
     
    This story is an obvious lie. He was born in 1927. When he was applying to college, Columbia and all of the Ivies were already very heavily jewish and had been so for decades. Jews tell lies like this story to incite hate against white people and to assert that we have no right to even be admitted to our own universities.

    Growing up in NYC, I heard countless lies from jews that relatives of their had been denied admission to various colleges or grad programs that they really wanted to get into because they were jewish. These claims were tossed off with the same self assured mindlessness and lack of supporting evidence as the similar claims blacks make. The jewish "victims" they were talking about were baby boomers who were rejected from these schools during the 60's and 70's.

    Replies: @Nachum

    1948 is still not the 1960’s. The Ivies went very Jewish until the 1920’s and then weren’t until the 1950’s at least.

  316. @kaganovitch
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thanks, I think.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thanks, I think.

    Welcome aboard!

    Seriously, it was a challenge to come up with a response to your initial throwaway joke that you were the one Buzz encountered in his recounting—your jest was out of character from your persona as a commenter here; you don’t come off as a hostile, self-pitying drunk. (But in real life, who knows? Oy!) A simple LOL, which I was tempted to leave, would not suffice. Hence the ‘Connecticut clubber’ dialogue, also in jest. 🙂

  317. @Anon
    @Yngvar



    Were the hospitals the jews created, created to treat jews exclusively
     
    .

    No, I suppose it was for practical reasons. Having a rabbi on call, religious observance, dietary requirements and so on, is easier to ensure when Jews run the place.
     
    Does that mean that most of the patients at a Jewish hospital were Jewish?

    Replies: @Yngvar

    Does that mean that most of the patients at a Jewish hospital were Jewish?

    Sure. Who else would go in for treatment where they don’t dish out bacon for breakfast?

  318. Even if were no dietary issues, Jews would not want Christian nurses converting vulnerable Jews to Christianity, as would certainly have happened in the old days when people took religion seriously and thought unbelievers were going to hell.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    Oh, they love them some Christian nurses. The girlfriend did a stint at Beth Israel-Deaconess, and let's just say that the behavior of the Jewish docs there dovetailed nicely with the percentage of Tribesmen on the #MeToo lists.

    She maintains, though, that the MENA docs are still worse pigs.

  319. @Anonymous
    Even if were no dietary issues, Jews would not want Christian nurses converting vulnerable Jews to Christianity, as would certainly have happened in the old days when people took religion seriously and thought unbelievers were going to hell.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Oh, they love them some Christian nurses. The girlfriend did a stint at Beth Israel-Deaconess, and let’s just say that the behavior of the Jewish docs there dovetailed nicely with the percentage of Tribesmen on the #MeToo lists.

    She maintains, though, that the MENA docs are still worse pigs.

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