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From USA Today:

As MLB celebrates Jackie Robinson, dearth of black pitchers concern many
Bob Nightengale, USA TODAY Sports 11:07 p.m. EDT April 14, 2016

Major League Baseball celebrates the 69th anniversary Friday of Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier, and while the number of African-American players on teams remain near historic low levels, there’s an alarming trend that mystifies the industry.

It’s the dearth of African-American pitchers.

While the African-American population in baseball remains flat at just 8%, according to an examination of opening-day rosters conducted by USA TODAY Sports, the scarcity of black pitchers is staggering.

Screenshot 2016-04-15 02.06.22

Here are the top 20 active pitchers in terms of career Wins Above Replacement. Keep in mind that #19 on this list, Johnny Cueto, isn’t considered black (he’s “Latin”), while #1 C.C. Sabathia is considered black.

There have been black superstar pitchers from Latin America, such as Juan Marichal, Luis Tiant, Pedro Martinez, Mariano Rivera, and Johan Santana, but they aren’t counted as black for the purposes of writing articles about baseball’s Black Lack.

So the top 20 active pitchers look like they are about 70% non-Hispanic white American, which is some kind of crisis.

Being a Major League pitcher is a really good job, one that I would recommend. You don’t even have to be in shape or young. For example, #5 on the list, Bartolo Colon, is a middle-aged fat guy and he made $11 million pitching (pretty effectively) for the Mets last year (and is off to a good start this year). Of course, the cells in Colon’s pitching arm are probably about four decades younger than the rest of him.

Of the 449 pitchers on major league opening-day rosters and the disabled list this year, just 14 were African American.

Fourteen!

Seven starters. Seven relievers.

No team has more than one black pitcher on its major league staff, and four of those starters reside in the American League East: CC Sabathia of the New York Yankees, David Price of the Boston Red Sox, Chris Archer of the Tampa Bay Rays and Marcus Stroman of the Toronto Blue Jays. …

Considering the increased emphasis on pitching depth in baseball – with every team employing 12 or 13 pitchers on their 25-man roster when 10 or 11 used to suffice – it’s clear that Major League Baseball’s efforts to diversify the makeup of American-born players will hit a ceiling without a resurgence in the number of black pitchers.

Tall white guys are excelling at pitching in this decade. The L.A. Dodgers, for example, last year had two starters — Zack Greinke and Clayton Kershaw — who were probably better than Koufax and Drysdale at their mid-60s peak. (They’re #3 and #4 in the picture above. Greinke is the guy with the crazy blue eyes who missed the 2006 season with social anxiety disorder and attributes his return to form to Zoloft.)

That’s probably the flip side of white Americans not playing basketball at a high level anymore.

The average height for the top 20 pitchers above is 6’4″.

But there aren’t many articles about that.

African Americans comprise just 1.6% of major league pitchers – well below their 7.9% of the general player population. Forty-two of 69 African American major leaguers – 61% – are outfielders. And when teams opt to carry a 12th or 13th pitcher on their roster, it often comes at the expense of an extra outfielder.

So the cruel reality is that the African-American baseball player – whether prodded to abandon pitching or by their own volition – is being excluded from more than half the jobs in the industry.

Anecdotally, the immediate future doesn’t look much more promising. The top 100 minor league prospects, according to rankings by MLB.com, include just four African-American pitchers – Dillon Tate, Amir Garrett, Touki Toussaint and Justus Sheffield.

… Oh, where have you gone, Bob Gibson?

Of the top 200 pitchers of all time in Wins Above Replacement, five were non-Hispanic black. I’m using that term rather than “African American” because #1, slightly ahead of Gibson, was Ferguson Jenkins from Canada. The others were C.C. Sabathia, Dwight Gooden, and Vida Blue. (Drug/alcohol problems are not uncommon on that list, but the sample size is small.)

By the way, I’m not exactly sure what Sabathia’s ancestry is, but he’s from Vallejo, CA, a small town in the San Francisco Bay area that’s been leading the country in diversity since the days of Sly & the Family Stone. It also led California cities into bankruptcy as it got taken to the cleaners by its cops and firemen, who had far more espirit de corps than the citizenry.

“When you think about it, the black pitchers have almost become extinct,” says Arizona Diamondbacks GM Dave Stewart, one of only 15 black pitchers to win 20 games in a season. “There are a lot of reasons, I don’t know if any of them are valid, but it seems like a lot of teams take black pitchers and convert them to infielders or outfielders.

“I know it happened a lot in the past, so maybe it’s still happening.’’

Certainly, it’s possible ingrained patterns of stereotyping remain. Major league rosters are filled with failed position players turned pitchers – St. Louis’ Trevor Rosenthal, Oakland’s Sean Doolittle, Colorado’s Jason Motte, the Los Angeles Dodgers’ Chris Hatcher and Kenley Jansen among the current crop – but rarely are they black.

Kenley Jackson is a Dutch-speaking black giant from the Caribbean island of Curacao who played catcher for the 2009 Netherlands national team. Actually, he grew up speaking:

Papiamentu is the local language of the ABC Islands – Aruba, Bonaire, and Curaçao. Papiamentu is a mixture of Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, English, French, and it also has some Arawak Indian and African influences. Papiamentu is one of the few Creole Languages of the Caribbean that has survived to the present day.

Back to the USA Today article:

It’s similar with the catching position, with Canadian-born Russell Martin of the Toronto Blue Jays the lone black catcher. The last African-American everyday catcher was Charles Johnson, and he retired 11 years ago.

“Historically, pitchers and catchers did not transition from the Negro Leagues,’’ Kendrick said. “There were great arms in the Negro Leagues, and we had great catchers from Josh Gibson to Roy Campanella, but that was considered a cerebral position. And the general consensus back then was that these men weren’t smart enough to play in the major leagues.”

Other than the half-black Roy Campanella winning the National League MVP award in 1951, 1953, and 1955. (Josh Gibson drank himself to death in early 1947.) And Elston Howard winning the AL MVP in 1964. If African Americans have stopped playing catcher, it’s not from lack of historical role models.

Anyway, what’s going on with pitchers is a couple of thing:

– Black Americans aren’t very interested in baseball anymore because they are obsessed with basketball and football, both of which also reward height the way pitching does.

– Pitching, like catching, is a skill position. In contrast, African-Americans who choose a career in baseball over football, such as Pittsburgh Pirates MVP Andrew McCutchen, tend to get dropped into centerfield where their natural speed is most useful. Alternatively, the really big guys, like 1990s White Sox slugger Frank Thomas and the (not aptly named) Fielders, father and son, go to first base, the easiest defensive position.

Back in the days of segregation, black baseball teams needed catchers and pitchers, so they trained their own. These days, however, top black athletes (0r mixed race ones like Giancarlo Stanton) who are interested in baseball have little trouble getting scholarships from, say, Catholic high schools, unless they are extremely ghetto. And ghetto blacks have little interest in training hard at the skills of baseball, so if they do wind up in baseball, it’s at the easier positions of outfielder or first base.

 
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  1. Outside of exurban whites, kids aren’t playing baseball much anymore. It’s not a problem now, we’ll keep importing players from Latin America and Asia. But if what you say is true, then baseball is in long-term trouble in the US.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Of all the major sports, I would think baseball is the one least likely to ever be in trouble; the reason being it's the only major sport that anyone can play -- you don't need to be tall or very big to play it, or excel at it. You just need to practice at it.

    As a Giants fan, my earliest memories was of a roster that always had a lot of Latins on it, so the current Latin dominance is not something I notice; but it is true that there are fewer whites and also also fewer blacks playing the game. On the other hand, the current Giants roster has 6 members of its lineup comprised of white English speaking Americans; the other two slots taken by a Puerto Rican and an African American: the black guy (Span) being the first Black Person in a Giants starting lineup in years -- this on the team of Mays, McCovey, Hart, and the two Bonds.

    It's possible that white people in general will stop playing sports altogether and just become obese. That seems to be trending. But baseball will be the last to go, if that's the case. Whites seem to have largely abandoned basketball and football already.

    As for the dearth of blacks in baseball, or at the pitcher's spot, I don't recall when there were ever a lot of black pitchers; the Gibsons, Goodens, Dontrelles, etc. were always rather rare. There used to be a lot of black guys in the starting lineups, usually in the outfield. There are fewer of those, but these swings are not that drastic. In 1986, 19% of ballplayers were black, which is 5% higher than the general population, today it is about 8%, 5% lower than the general population. Since there are 30 teams and 25 per team, we are talking about 750 major leaguers, more or less, 5% would be about 38 guys, or about 1 guy per team. Please.

    Of course MLB always goes through this routine to embrace black players, and, I suspect, sell tickets to black people, which is why we get the annual Jackie Robinson celebration, in which Robinson's uniform number (42) has been retired by all teams, except today, when everyone will be wearing it. Or at least they have done that in the past.
    , @DCThrowback
    Time to turn kids onto the unbelievable excitement of Wiffle-ball imo. All you need is a bat, some balls and lawn chair.
    , @Jack D
    Just another job Americans won't do.

    Seriously, for a Dominican kid, playing American baseball, even on some farm team, is a ticket to riches beyond their wildest dreams and they are willing to channel 100% of their time and energy into this goal. If you ask a black kid what his dream is, 9 out of 10 will say the NBA or the NFL. Most white kids don't think of pro sports careers at all.

    Once Cuba opens up fully, MLB will be even more Latin.

    , @ganderson
    A LOT of white kids that would in the past have played baseball are now playing lacrosse. Lax is growing like crazy outside of its traditional homelands in the mid-Atlantic, Upstate New York, the NYC metro area and the prep schools. California and the Upper Midwest are particular areas of new lax interest. I was a baseball guy- I started all three out in baseball but they all moved to lacrosse, and became good enough to play in college. This commercial makes the point, with former Amherst (MA) High School, Deerfield Academy and Loyola of MD star Josh Hawkins:
    , @The Z Blog
    This is one of those myths that will not die. http://sbrnet.com/Blog/July-2015/Youth-Sports-Participation-Declines-Significantly.aspx

    Baseball remains about as popular with whom it will always be popular. It's never going to be a ghetto sport. Basketball is cheap and easy to run so it will always be the go-to organized activity for urban areas. Plus you have the demographics.

    The sport in long term trouble is football. The long term liabilities are similar to what the tobacco industry faced. The concussion issue is already hitting youth football and that's going to accelerate in the next decade. Then there is the fact Hispanics don't play football. They will gravitate to baseball and soccer, hoping to emulate whites.

    Football is where boxing was in the 1970's.
  2. The phrase “concern many” seems to refer solely to the writer of this article who is hoping to stoke a little controversy to draw attention to himself.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "The phrase “concern many” seems to refer solely to the writer of this article who is hoping to stoke a little controversy to draw attention to himself."

    I noticed that too. Exactly how does he define "many"? This is akin to the often adopted tactic of saying that a particular view (for example, that M-to-F "transsexuals" should not be allowed to use the ladies room) is "controversial". According to the media something can be "controversial" even when the for-to-against ratio exceeds 99-to-1. If even one person objects to something - so long as that one person is not a straight white man - then that something is "controversial".

    , @C. Van Carter
    Liberals like to concern themselves with things. Anyone not likewise concerned they find concerning, if not problematic.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Shouting Thomas, I read the article and went to post, but then I saw that you said what I wanted to say. Make them define "many." Remember, just a few months ago the sporting press was touting Rhonda Rousey as...."the greatest female athlete ever," and the woman who could box Floyd Mayweather out of his jock. How did that turn out for her adoring, fawning fans at ESPN, USA Today and SI.
  3. “Johnny Cueto, isn’t considered black (he’s “Latin”)”

    And if the Dominican Johnny Cueto commits a violent crime against an African American, he will become a White Hispanic even though he looks Blacker than Eric Holder.

    • Replies: @fish
    Yeah well as long as he doesn't make a habit of giving up 5 runs in the first on a regular basis. And as a show of social justice and magnanimous equalitarianism that criticism applies to Matt Cain as well who....sigh....gave up 9 in the 5th against Colorado yesterday!
  4. We’ve really gone down the rabbit hole when this is allegedly a major concern in sports – which I actually doubt it is amongst the people who actually play baseball. And of course the concern all goes one way, as I know I will never read an article pondering the dearth of white running backs in the NFL.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    Well, you will, but only along the lines of "there's nothing to see here"/"culture explains it." What you'll never see is an examination of the non-existence of white cornerbacks, because there's no conceivable explanation of that except black superiority in the relevant athletic traits.
    , @Truth

    as I know I will never read an article pondering the dearth of white running backs in the NFL.
     
    You could always write one.
  5. I can’t remember who made the comment but some years back when there was a piece on why the percentage of African Americans in baseball was so low, a black former player posited that more so than basketball or football baseball is a father-son sport….and the huge disparity in intact families between blacks and everyone else was therefore a factor.

  6. Russell Martin is “black”?!!!!! I had him pegged for French. Wow.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Russell Martin is “black”?!!!!! I had him pegged for French. Wow."

    If White privilege existed, he would choose to pass as White instead of self identifying as Black.
    , @CJ

    Russell Martin is “black”?!!!!! I had him pegged for French. Wow.
     
    His mother is a Quebec French Canadian and he went to French-language elementary and high school. It's a coincidence that his father's family name is a common family name in both English and French.
  7. Why Are There So Few Black Pitchers?

    1) White Privilege/RacialDiscrimination
    2)Climate Change
    3)Republicans/Creationists/Religious Wackjobs
    4)Bush
    5)Trump
    6)All of the Above

  8. How many black Hispanic pitchers are there? This is the real test due to low Afro-American participation in baseball these days. Santo Domingo is full of pitchers.
    Anyway, the rough equation is pitcher = quarterback.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Clyde, In baseball Quarterback=Catcher.
  9. There are a lot of reasons, I don’t know if any of them are valid, but it seems like a lot of teams take black pitchers and convert them to infielders or outfielders.

    They did that that same horrible thing to Babe Ruth too.

  10. West Indies demon bowlers were and continue to be some of the most feared on the planet.

    And no slouches with the bat either. As the wretched Ben Stokes discovered a couple of weeks back. Four consecutive sixes, bang bang bang bang, at the death.

    • Replies: @5371
    They were, but are no longer. The disappearance of great cricketers from the Caribbean, in the generation born after 1970, is a very curious phenomenon. The stranger, because there aren't two other lucrative team sports competing for attention as in America.
  11. @slumber_j
    Russell Martin is "black"?!!!!! I had him pegged for French. Wow.

    “Russell Martin is “black”?!!!!! I had him pegged for French. Wow.”

    If White privilege existed, he would choose to pass as White instead of self identifying as Black.

  12. OT…kinda: Steve caused quite a stir at The Federalist as a poster boy for the “bigotry of the alt-right.” http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/14/you-cant-whitewash-the-alt-rights-bigotry/

    It would have been nice to comment on the stupidity of that article, but as of the time of my comment here, there were 5000 comments.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Cathy Young's hatchet job can be compared to the one in Commentary magazine; they are both reactions to an article that sought a fair appraisal of the alt.right on Breitbart.com. If you actually only read Young and Commentary you might think their arguments are fairly strong, but then if you read the original Breitbart piece you realize how vapid their articles are.

    Meanwhile, Cathy Young writes: Are there non-bigoted people involved in the alt-right? Probably.

    Hey, thanks a lot, babe!

    I actually thought Young's article was OK until she characterized Unz.com as a den of anti-semitic crackpottery and referenced Norman Finkelstein! I didn't realize that politically she is basically Max Boot in a dress.

    Everyone should read the referenced articles to see how the dialog is evolving:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

    And Commentary:

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/coming-conservative-dark-age/
    , @Forbes
    Young's article would've been interesting if it contained an argument, rather than ad hominem. She writes as another SJW, defining the limits of polite company and respectable debate. She apparently hails from the same community that believes that dissent can only be offered by Democrats during Republican administrations.

    It's a funny (strange) article in contrast to the USA Today article critiqued by Sailer. Either race matters--or it doesn't. If it matters, then all aspects are discussable. If it doesn't, then stop obsessing over it.

    You'd have thought someone born and raised in the Soviet Union would respect debate--especially debate outside the constraints deemed by those 'in the mainstream' --but you'd be wrong.
  13. “Greinke is the guy with the crazy blue eyes who missed the 2006 season with social anxiety disorder and attributes his return to form to Zoloft.”

    Also missed a big portion of another season after the Padres’ Carlos Quentin charged the mound and broke his collarbone.

    Couldn’t there be some evolutionary explanation for white dominance in pitching – i.e., why the black advantage in quickness and jumping doesn’t extend to throwing? Could throwing rocks have been more important in early stone age Europe and Central Asia than Africa?

    MLB pitching isn’t THAT cerebral. If you can throw a fastball at least 94 mph and can master a basic curveball or slider, they can teach you everything else you need to know in one summer – at least to get you to the point of a roster spot in a major league team. Though obviously you’d need more than that to get into that 20-man list above.

    It might be that people are shocked to see a part of sports where blacks just aren’t particularly great. But they shouldn’t be. Black athletic dominance is mainly limited to lower-body explosiveness. Sprinting, basketball, some positions in football. A lot of sports that most people in the world care about aren’t particularly stacked with Africans.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    There aren't that many black pitchers but the ones that there are tend to be really really good (e.g. Sabathia). My theory is this - with their natural advantages in quickness, most blacks tend to get channeled into those positions where this lends the biggest advantage, such as the outfield. But if their pitching talent is extremely high then this outweighs the speed factor.
    , @Whiskey
    The idea that a 94 mph fastball and one breaking ball is all that is needed for pitching success is laughable. The minor leagues are filled with pitchers like that who are totally ineffective in the majors. Pitching in the majors is all about deception, ball placement, movement, and disrupting major league hitters rhythm. The major leagues after all are filled with players who can reliably hit a big fat meatball even at 94 mph. And on the other hand, a pitcher like Jered Weaver can get players out with a fastball in the mid 80s. If that.

    Release points, angles of flight of the ball, all of that are critically important and require constant coaching. The Pirates are fairly legendary for taking washed up pitchers and coaching the heck out of them to recalibrate their release points and control.

    Indeed you could argue that the key to pitching success is reliably repeating a deceptive release point and arm slot angle so that hitters have a hard time picking up the pitch as a fastball, curve, etc. And the ability to repeat that motion exactly over say 110 pitches a game is not very easy and requires lots of technique and practice not raw athletic talent like waking up really fast every morning.
  14. Big factor that is rarely mentioned: there are few public baseball fields in cities. There are many public basketball fields in cities.

  15. From your top twenty you show David Price who is half white. So even less so.

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
    David Price also went to Vanderbilt, so he's not exactly representative of the black population in the U.S.
  16. Why don’t they just come out and tell White People to kill themselves already.

    One of the greatest services I am doing for my children is not exposing them to major sports on TeeVee. They asked my son at baseball camp two summers ago who his favorite player was and he told them Babe Ruth, it was the only Major League player he could think of. They thought he was crazy weird. I couldn’t have been more proud. Only an answer of Ty Cobb would have been better

  17. @Tiny Duck
    Outside of exurban whites, kids aren't playing baseball much anymore. It's not a problem now, we'll keep importing players from Latin America and Asia. But if what you say is true, then baseball is in long-term trouble in the US.

    Of all the major sports, I would think baseball is the one least likely to ever be in trouble; the reason being it’s the only major sport that anyone can play — you don’t need to be tall or very big to play it, or excel at it. You just need to practice at it.

    As a Giants fan, my earliest memories was of a roster that always had a lot of Latins on it, so the current Latin dominance is not something I notice; but it is true that there are fewer whites and also also fewer blacks playing the game. On the other hand, the current Giants roster has 6 members of its lineup comprised of white English speaking Americans; the other two slots taken by a Puerto Rican and an African American: the black guy (Span) being the first Black Person in a Giants starting lineup in years — this on the team of Mays, McCovey, Hart, and the two Bonds.

    It’s possible that white people in general will stop playing sports altogether and just become obese. That seems to be trending. But baseball will be the last to go, if that’s the case. Whites seem to have largely abandoned basketball and football already.

    As for the dearth of blacks in baseball, or at the pitcher’s spot, I don’t recall when there were ever a lot of black pitchers; the Gibsons, Goodens, Dontrelles, etc. were always rather rare. There used to be a lot of black guys in the starting lineups, usually in the outfield. There are fewer of those, but these swings are not that drastic. In 1986, 19% of ballplayers were black, which is 5% higher than the general population, today it is about 8%, 5% lower than the general population. Since there are 30 teams and 25 per team, we are talking about 750 major leaguers, more or less, 5% would be about 38 guys, or about 1 guy per team. Please.

    Of course MLB always goes through this routine to embrace black players, and, I suspect, sell tickets to black people, which is why we get the annual Jackie Robinson celebration, in which Robinson’s uniform number (42) has been retired by all teams, except today, when everyone will be wearing it. Or at least they have done that in the past.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    sell tickets to black people
     
    Good luck with that. In the past, America had a unified popular culture - black and white people gave their children similar names, listed to the same music, watched the same TV shows, wore the same clothes, etc. Baseball was the national sport for all Americans. Even when blacks couldn't play in the majors, they had their own league to play the same sport - their fondest goal was to be accepted as Americans.

    But now, our culture has been fragmented. Blacks want nothing to do with things they consider "white". And baseball falls in that category, both playing and attending.
    , @Erik Sieven
    "the reason being it's the only major sport that anyone can play -- you don't need to be tall or very big to play it" thats actually the great thing about soccer: practically every body type is suited for soccer, tall, short, big-boned, gracile, muscular, lean everything works.
    , @Marty
    Did you ever notice how the Giants, easily the most PC franchise in the majors, will occasionally reserve a roster spot for a black guy who flat can't play? For several years they kept a second baseman named Burriss who could barely chip a foul ball. Same thing in the '90s with Tom Goodwin, who could run but nothing else. And then there was headcase-gopherball artist Jerome Williams who they kept giving chances to as well. Besides being black, he was from Hawaii and wore a puka shell necklace, which I guess excited the Harvey Milk section of the park. By the way, next to Cueto the blackest pitcher right now is Francisco Liriano. He's pretty good too, somewhat Sebathia-like.
    , @E. Rekshun
    it’s the only major sport that anyone can play — you don’t need to be tall or very big to play it, or excel at it.

    I was at Fenway Park South last month to see the Red Sox v. Marlins. I thought the second baseman was some young rookie because he was so short and small-statured. Of course, it was ROY, MVP, 2x World Series Champ, .300-hitter Dustin Pedroia (very generously listed at 5-7).
    , @E. Rekshun
    As a Giants fan, my earliest memories was of a roster that always had a lot of Latins on it, so the current Latin dominance is not something I notice; but it is true that there are fewer whites and also also fewer blacks playing the game.

    The past several years, all (or nearly all) the starters on the Miami Marlins have been Latin. Part of that is probably be to appeal to the Miami Cubans. I was looking through some internet site the other day listing all the Marlins starters, year by year, and it surely wasn't that way when the team started up in the early '90s.

    And, by the way, Happy Jackie Robinson Day!

    , @ScarletNumber
    I think the whole 42 stunt has grown old. How about this? Have ONE player from each team wear 42 on April 15 each year.

    At least Mariano Rivera doesn't have to worry about getting his number retired.

  18. @Tiny Duck
    Outside of exurban whites, kids aren't playing baseball much anymore. It's not a problem now, we'll keep importing players from Latin America and Asia. But if what you say is true, then baseball is in long-term trouble in the US.

    Time to turn kids onto the unbelievable excitement of Wiffle-ball imo. All you need is a bat, some balls and lawn chair.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Time to turn kids onto the unbelievable excitement of Wiffle-ball imo. All you need is a bat, some balls and lawn chair.
     
    Usually a twelve-pack as well, perhaps even a dugout.
  19. It’s all just so “alarming” isn’t it?

    These people are pseudo-religious fanatics who don’t know when to stop and never will until we reach some sort of cataclysm.

    Lack of black lab technicians, dental hygienists, Top Gun pilots ad infinitum.

    The fact that there are absolutely zero white cornerbacks? Non-fact.

    Regarding baseball, my sense is that it’s sort of turned into ice skating/tennis/gymnastics for white boys; which is to say, it’s gone from sandlot games or stick ball, where the whole neighborhood played, to a very specialized, expensive and coaching-intensive activity, with very involved parents and traveling teams, etc.

  20. @Shouting Thomas
    The phrase "concern many" seems to refer solely to the writer of this article who is hoping to stoke a little controversy to draw attention to himself.

    “The phrase “concern many” seems to refer solely to the writer of this article who is hoping to stoke a little controversy to draw attention to himself.”

    I noticed that too. Exactly how does he define “many”? This is akin to the often adopted tactic of saying that a particular view (for example, that M-to-F “transsexuals” should not be allowed to use the ladies room) is “controversial”. According to the media something can be “controversial” even when the for-to-against ratio exceeds 99-to-1. If even one person objects to something – so long as that one person is not a straight white man – then that something is “controversial”.

  21. First time I’ve heard Dave “The Transvestite” Stewart mentioned in a while.

  22. I’m surprised that you didn’t mention Leroy “Satchel” Paige, one of the greatest pitchers of all time. His MLB numbers aren’t that great because he didn’t join the major leagues (Cleveland Indians) until 1948, when he was 42, after the color bar was dropped. The “Sporting News” ranked him #19 on its list of all-time greats in 1999. If he had had the opportunity to spend his whole career in the majors, he probably would be remembered as one of the greatest pitchers of all time. There’s a statue of him outside the Baseball Hall of Fame.

  23. OT

    I’m sure Steve will notice this (if he hasn’t yet), but it’s supreme iSteveish material.

    The German chancellor caved in to her democratic free-speech-for-all instincts. Or maybe it’s just Turkish pressure, not her democratic instincts.

    I’m also sure it won’t affect Germany’s stellar score at Freedom House.

  24. Talk about race being an arbitrary social construct, this article takes the cake. Black latin players who are clearly descendants of slavery are not considered black. But then half-white Russell Martin, who was born in Canada and raised for a while in France, is.

    The truth is the Latin players the media doesn’t want to consider black for their personal diversity census actually have more in common with American blacks than half-whites like Russell Martin, Chris Archer or even Obama who were all raised by their white relatives. Black Latins, like Black Americans, mostly grew up in poverty on the bottom rungs of the social ladder. They weren’t raised in white enclaves by white relatives.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Russell Martin is clearly more than half white. He looks a lot more like Ricky than like Trayvon. In many pics he looks completely Caucasian (although maybe not Aryan)
    , @Jefferson
    "Talk about race being an arbitrary social construct, this article takes the cake. Black latin players who are clearly descendants of slavery are not considered black. But then half-white Russell Martin, who was born in Canada and raised for a while in France, is.

    The truth is the Latin players the media doesn’t want to consider black for their personal diversity census actually have more in common with American blacks than half-whites like Russell Martin, Chris Archer or even Obama who were all raised by their white relatives. Black Latins, like Black Americans, mostly grew up in poverty on the bottom rungs of the social ladder. They weren’t raised in white enclaves by white relatives."

    If the MLB was 100 percent Dominican and did not have a single White Gringo player, you would still have Left Wingers complaining about the lack of Blacks there lol. In regards to an all Dominican MLB, Left Wingers would still be asking where is the melanin? You know because Dominicans are as pasty pale as Scottish gingers.
  25. Remember this documentary? The Gender Equality Paradox. Vid starts at relevant part.

    In this case proof of theory may require showing the American blacks in baseball are more “white presenting” (Oreos). This article is from last year and claims there was only 60 african-americans in baseball, not a big sample set: Youth to Majors, fewer African-Americans are playing baseball

  26. Black kids run well. Coaches want to use them more than every few days, play them in the outfield to chase down fly balls, use them to steal bases. Hitting well is gravy on gravy.

  27. I think it’s party a racial thing.

    White people are good at throwing. White people have tens of thousands of years of amcestors who survived by chucking spears at woolly mammoths. Even today, white people still dominate the throwing stuff events at the Olympics.

    Steve’s point about tall white people going into pitching instead of basketball makes sense, and additionally white people in the USA are taller than black people.

    But here’s the thing, despite these advantages, white people are still underrepresented relative to black people in pitching per capita.

  28. Abe says: • Website

    There is no excuse now. Technology and connectivity have reached such saturation levels in this country that we cannot afford NOT to have them. Every time questions of representation come up like this, I demand an immediate blacks-ffidavit so that every single black person in this country can attest, under penalty of perjury, whether or not the reason they are not currently involved in some activity deemed insufficiently undiverse really is discrimination, or the fact that said activity is just too lame, slow, boring, corny, on-the-wrong-side-of-history, etc. Such questions are so crucial to the continued flourishing of our proposition-nation democracy that I’m sure every citizen of good will is willing to foot the astronomical Price Waterhouse consulting fees necessary to make it happen, though I’m hoping technology will allow for more economical solutions, such as Facebook. Yes, MLB owners, coaches, and talent scouts need their feet held to the fire. But National Geography Bee enthusiasts, perpetual motion machine cranks, and Jeremy Lin snuff film compilationists like myself deserve a chance to have our names cleared!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    While they are at it, they could ask women whether they really are anxious to get into male dominated professions like electrical lineman, drywall hanging, roofing, etc. or if they are only interested in being better represented in the executive suite where they don't have to get all dirty and risk their lives?
    , @Lost american
    Amen.
  29. One name jumped out at me from the Top 100 Prospects list: Justus Sheffield. I don’t know if that’s supposed to be another form of Justice or Just Us.

    In either event, he is the nephew of Gary Sheffield (who, I believe, is the nephew of Doc Gooden). Sheffield is one of the poster children of the steroid era. There were always accusations and, when his denials became less plausible, he finally admitted to using cream and pills. He maintained his innocence by stating something to the effect of “steroids are something you shoot in your butt.”

    When it was clear the non-steroids had lost their effectiveness, the Tigers paid him his last year’s salary of $14M to simply go away. When the decision was made to release him, Jim Leyland (who for some reason loved Sheffield) said it bothered him so much he “lit up two Marlboros at the same time.”

    • Replies: @SonOfStrom
    Leyland's affinity for The Sheff ("Chef") likely dates to 97' when they won a World Series together with the Marlins.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    Sheffield had six kids by five different women - how much time did he spend playing catch with all of his kids? - yet had the gall to complain that MLB promoted Latin players because they were more subservient to white managers and GM's than AA players were.

    For Sheffield, the dearth of black players was due only to white racism.

    That baseball is a game introduced to the next generation of sons with a game of catch in the backyard with fathers is beyond Sheffield. If dad is not around (Gary Sheffield) then son doesn't ever play baseball. And that's all there is to it.

    Leyland did lots of great things for the Tigers, but telling the media "I have no problem with what Sheffield said" was not one of them.
  30. @SPMoore8
    Of all the major sports, I would think baseball is the one least likely to ever be in trouble; the reason being it's the only major sport that anyone can play -- you don't need to be tall or very big to play it, or excel at it. You just need to practice at it.

    As a Giants fan, my earliest memories was of a roster that always had a lot of Latins on it, so the current Latin dominance is not something I notice; but it is true that there are fewer whites and also also fewer blacks playing the game. On the other hand, the current Giants roster has 6 members of its lineup comprised of white English speaking Americans; the other two slots taken by a Puerto Rican and an African American: the black guy (Span) being the first Black Person in a Giants starting lineup in years -- this on the team of Mays, McCovey, Hart, and the two Bonds.

    It's possible that white people in general will stop playing sports altogether and just become obese. That seems to be trending. But baseball will be the last to go, if that's the case. Whites seem to have largely abandoned basketball and football already.

    As for the dearth of blacks in baseball, or at the pitcher's spot, I don't recall when there were ever a lot of black pitchers; the Gibsons, Goodens, Dontrelles, etc. were always rather rare. There used to be a lot of black guys in the starting lineups, usually in the outfield. There are fewer of those, but these swings are not that drastic. In 1986, 19% of ballplayers were black, which is 5% higher than the general population, today it is about 8%, 5% lower than the general population. Since there are 30 teams and 25 per team, we are talking about 750 major leaguers, more or less, 5% would be about 38 guys, or about 1 guy per team. Please.

    Of course MLB always goes through this routine to embrace black players, and, I suspect, sell tickets to black people, which is why we get the annual Jackie Robinson celebration, in which Robinson's uniform number (42) has been retired by all teams, except today, when everyone will be wearing it. Or at least they have done that in the past.

    sell tickets to black people

    Good luck with that. In the past, America had a unified popular culture – black and white people gave their children similar names, listed to the same music, watched the same TV shows, wore the same clothes, etc. Baseball was the national sport for all Americans. Even when blacks couldn’t play in the majors, they had their own league to play the same sport – their fondest goal was to be accepted as Americans.

    But now, our culture has been fragmented. Blacks want nothing to do with things they consider “white”. And baseball falls in that category, both playing and attending.

    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    white girls and Black Men seem to like each other well enough
  31. OT, but maybe you can have a little fun with this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/16/us/politics/clinton-sanders-trump-true-new-yorker.html

    Notice everyone, writers and commenters alike, twisting themselves into pretzels trying to avoid giving the victory to the guy who was born, raised, and made his name in the city.

    Since you are from LA I imagine you are looking forward to them trying to claim some connection to Cali.

  32. @Tiny Duck
    Outside of exurban whites, kids aren't playing baseball much anymore. It's not a problem now, we'll keep importing players from Latin America and Asia. But if what you say is true, then baseball is in long-term trouble in the US.

    Just another job Americans won’t do.

    Seriously, for a Dominican kid, playing American baseball, even on some farm team, is a ticket to riches beyond their wildest dreams and they are willing to channel 100% of their time and energy into this goal. If you ask a black kid what his dream is, 9 out of 10 will say the NBA or the NFL. Most white kids don’t think of pro sports careers at all.

    Once Cuba opens up fully, MLB will be even more Latin.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "If you ask a black kid what his dream is, 9 out of 10 will say the NBA or the NFL."

    You forgot to add rapper and community organizer.
  33. @iSteveFan
    Talk about race being an arbitrary social construct, this article takes the cake. Black latin players who are clearly descendants of slavery are not considered black. But then half-white Russell Martin, who was born in Canada and raised for a while in France, is.

    The truth is the Latin players the media doesn't want to consider black for their personal diversity census actually have more in common with American blacks than half-whites like Russell Martin, Chris Archer or even Obama who were all raised by their white relatives. Black Latins, like Black Americans, mostly grew up in poverty on the bottom rungs of the social ladder. They weren't raised in white enclaves by white relatives.

    Russell Martin is clearly more than half white. He looks a lot more like Ricky than like Trayvon. In many pics he looks completely Caucasian (although maybe not Aryan)

  34. @Jefferson
    "Johnny Cueto, isn’t considered black (he’s “Latin”)"

    And if the Dominican Johnny Cueto commits a violent crime against an African American, he will become a White Hispanic even though he looks Blacker than Eric Holder.

    Yeah well as long as he doesn’t make a habit of giving up 5 runs in the first on a regular basis. And as a show of social justice and magnanimous equalitarianism that criticism applies to Matt Cain as well who….sigh….gave up 9 in the 5th against Colorado yesterday!

  35. @Abe
    There is no excuse now. Technology and connectivity have reached such saturation levels in this country that we cannot afford NOT to have them. Every time questions of representation come up like this, I demand an immediate blacks-ffidavit so that every single black person in this country can attest, under penalty of perjury, whether or not the reason they are not currently involved in some activity deemed insufficiently undiverse really is discrimination, or the fact that said activity is just too lame, slow, boring, corny, on-the-wrong-side-of-history, etc. Such questions are so crucial to the continued flourishing of our proposition-nation democracy that I'm sure every citizen of good will is willing to foot the astronomical Price Waterhouse consulting fees necessary to make it happen, though I'm hoping technology will allow for more economical solutions, such as Facebook. Yes, MLB owners, coaches, and talent scouts need their feet held to the fire. But National Geography Bee enthusiasts, perpetual motion machine cranks, and Jeremy Lin snuff film compilationists like myself deserve a chance to have our names cleared!

    While they are at it, they could ask women whether they really are anxious to get into male dominated professions like electrical lineman, drywall hanging, roofing, etc. or if they are only interested in being better represented in the executive suite where they don’t have to get all dirty and risk their lives?

  36. @Tiny Duck
    Outside of exurban whites, kids aren't playing baseball much anymore. It's not a problem now, we'll keep importing players from Latin America and Asia. But if what you say is true, then baseball is in long-term trouble in the US.

    A LOT of white kids that would in the past have played baseball are now playing lacrosse. Lax is growing like crazy outside of its traditional homelands in the mid-Atlantic, Upstate New York, the NYC metro area and the prep schools. California and the Upper Midwest are particular areas of new lax interest. I was a baseball guy- I started all three out in baseball but they all moved to lacrosse, and became good enough to play in college. This commercial makes the point, with former Amherst (MA) High School, Deerfield Academy and Loyola of MD star Josh Hawkins:

    • Replies: @ganderson, @Marty T
    Lacrosse is growing bigtime and I expect it to continue to. It's physical but not nearly as dangerous as football and ice hockey. You don't need to be super tall, though more and more 6'4+ white boys are showing up playing college lacrosse, as more are also playing hockey and of course baseball. The average D1 lacrosse player is probably about 6' or 6'1. You need speed and endurance most of all.

    Lacrosse stardom won't get you a million dollar professional salary, but will likely get you into a Duke or Notre Dame or Ivy, followed by a great Wall Street gig. It will also get you some of the most attractive women in college.
  37. “all three of my boys”

  38. @MKP
    "Greinke is the guy with the crazy blue eyes who missed the 2006 season with social anxiety disorder and attributes his return to form to Zoloft."

    Also missed a big portion of another season after the Padres' Carlos Quentin charged the mound and broke his collarbone.

    Couldn't there be some evolutionary explanation for white dominance in pitching - i.e., why the black advantage in quickness and jumping doesn't extend to throwing? Could throwing rocks have been more important in early stone age Europe and Central Asia than Africa?

    MLB pitching isn't THAT cerebral. If you can throw a fastball at least 94 mph and can master a basic curveball or slider, they can teach you everything else you need to know in one summer - at least to get you to the point of a roster spot in a major league team. Though obviously you'd need more than that to get into that 20-man list above.

    It might be that people are shocked to see a part of sports where blacks just aren't particularly great. But they shouldn't be. Black athletic dominance is mainly limited to lower-body explosiveness. Sprinting, basketball, some positions in football. A lot of sports that most people in the world care about aren't particularly stacked with Africans.

    There aren’t that many black pitchers but the ones that there are tend to be really really good (e.g. Sabathia). My theory is this – with their natural advantages in quickness, most blacks tend to get channeled into those positions where this lends the biggest advantage, such as the outfield. But if their pitching talent is extremely high then this outweighs the speed factor.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jack D, I used to set up an event at the Buffalo Bisons' home ball park, at that time called Pilot Field, now known as Coca Cola Field. C.C. Sabathia was down in Buffalo rehabbing and the Indians sent Victor Martinez to catch him. C.C. is the size of my refrigerator and Martinez is the size of a mini van and if you didn't know their last names you could consider them to be African American blacks. Only 400K plus African slaves were sent to North America ( this fact from Henry Lewis Gates) the rest, millions, were shipped to South America and the West Indies. So, a person of slave ancestry, from the DR, SA or the West Indies is black. There that fixes that, can't these writers research anything?
  39. Off topic but it is April 15th:

  40. DWB says: • Website

    Steve, you really should take a bow. The transmogrification of Johnny Cueto from “black” to Latin (and the ridiculous controversy about black players in MLB being ‘replaced’ with Hispanics that was raised by Torii Hunter a while back) reflects your observation of the Coalition of the Fringes.

    Here in San Francisco, the various constituencies are really sharpening their axes, as it becomes clearer and clearer that the interests of blacks, Asians, Latinos, Muslims, feminists…do not naturally align. Simple anti-white antagonism is only going to hold them together for so long.

    Russell Martin is “black” if one counts the old, one-drop rule. He was born in Quebec to a father who himself was mixed-race black. Here is a picture of Martin:

    http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/mlb/players/full/6390.png&w=350&h=254

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Actually, it was the aforementioned Sheffield, an asshole of the first water, to throw the Hispanic players under the bullpen cart:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2891875
  41. Wow, “cruel reality” indeed. Why hasn’t the DOJ gotten involved in this yet?

    Editorial note: penultimate para., third line, should be ‘their.’

  42. When are people going to start mocking these “Where are the blacks in baseball?” articles. Blacks make up 80% of the NBA and 66% of the NFL. Unless you think blacks are genetic supermen, its ridiculous to think 13% of the population should be over-represented in every sport.

    I notice there are very few “Where are the blacks in Tennis?” articles. I assume this is because Tennis is so international that attracting Black customers is a low priority.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Where are the blacks in hockey?
    , @peterike

    I notice there are very few “Where are the blacks in Tennis?” articles. I assume this is because Tennis is so international that attracting Black customers is a low priority.

     

    The dominance of the Williams sisters has been more than enough for the tennis crowd. Nobody will miss them when they're gone.
    , @guest
    The Williams sisters may have put a halt to where are the black tennis player articles, like Tiger Woods did in golf. Not that anybody cares about women's tennis aside from the asses.
    , @iSteveFan

    Unless you think blacks are genetic supermen, its ridiculous to think 13% of the population should be over-represented in every sport.
     
    Don't discount the possibility that the people complaining about the lack of blacks in baseball are innumerate and don't realize blacks are just 13 percent of the population.

    Recall that Steve has done some posts about liberals complaining that too many black and hispanic children attend segregated schools while they cheer the fact that black and hispanic kids will become the majority of students. All the while they seem oblivious to the fact that the supply of white kids is dwindling so there aren't enough white kids left to allow black and hispanic children to attend integrated schools.

    Likewise those complaining about the dearth of black baseball players don't seem to understand that if a group makes up 13 percent of the population and already provides 80 percent of NBA and NFL players, they might not have enough talent left over to also supply 80 percent of MLB.
  43. Let’s not forget that football and basketball have a certain “instant gratification” aspect to them.
    If you are an elite athlete, you’re playing in those sports at 22 or younger.
    Many baseball players spend half a decade being bused from one white hicksville to another as they climb through the minors mastering very exacting skills. I can’t see that appealing to a lot of your black elite athletes.

  44. The majority of pitching quality arms are ruined by pitching before the age of twenty, often well before. This is normal We are seeing the survivors of that attrition in mlb, but that is not representative of the original pool of talent. If a kid can excel at another position his chances of continuing on are much better.

    Also, a pitcher may benefit in several ways from being athletic, but there are successful pitchers and hard throwers who are not particularly athletic and could contribute no where else. Enter tall white guys. Short white pitchers are invariably athletic, and often left handed.

  45. The majority of pitching quality arms are ruined by pitching before the age of twenty, often well before. This is normal We are seeing the survivors of that attrition in mlb, but that is not representative of the original pool of talent. If a kid can excel at another position his chances of continuing on are much better.

    Also, a pitcher may benefit in several ways from being athletic, but there are successful pitchers and hard throwers who are not particularly athletic and could contribute no where else. Enter tall white guys. Short white pitchers are invariably athletic, and often left handed.

    Intelligence is unnecessary in pitching. Feel, or intuition, is more important. A good catcher is the intelligence for most pitchers. I know very intelligent pitchers who have absolutely no feel for the game. A few brainiacs, like Maddox, are their own astute coaches.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Say you have the talent to eventually sign a 5 year / $50 million contract as either a pitcher or an outfielder, you just have to be in good health when you are in your later 20s. Then outfielder is probably the surer route, since the physical stresses are less likely to mean you'll breakdown before your big payday.
  46. @SPMoore8
    Of all the major sports, I would think baseball is the one least likely to ever be in trouble; the reason being it's the only major sport that anyone can play -- you don't need to be tall or very big to play it, or excel at it. You just need to practice at it.

    As a Giants fan, my earliest memories was of a roster that always had a lot of Latins on it, so the current Latin dominance is not something I notice; but it is true that there are fewer whites and also also fewer blacks playing the game. On the other hand, the current Giants roster has 6 members of its lineup comprised of white English speaking Americans; the other two slots taken by a Puerto Rican and an African American: the black guy (Span) being the first Black Person in a Giants starting lineup in years -- this on the team of Mays, McCovey, Hart, and the two Bonds.

    It's possible that white people in general will stop playing sports altogether and just become obese. That seems to be trending. But baseball will be the last to go, if that's the case. Whites seem to have largely abandoned basketball and football already.

    As for the dearth of blacks in baseball, or at the pitcher's spot, I don't recall when there were ever a lot of black pitchers; the Gibsons, Goodens, Dontrelles, etc. were always rather rare. There used to be a lot of black guys in the starting lineups, usually in the outfield. There are fewer of those, but these swings are not that drastic. In 1986, 19% of ballplayers were black, which is 5% higher than the general population, today it is about 8%, 5% lower than the general population. Since there are 30 teams and 25 per team, we are talking about 750 major leaguers, more or less, 5% would be about 38 guys, or about 1 guy per team. Please.

    Of course MLB always goes through this routine to embrace black players, and, I suspect, sell tickets to black people, which is why we get the annual Jackie Robinson celebration, in which Robinson's uniform number (42) has been retired by all teams, except today, when everyone will be wearing it. Or at least they have done that in the past.

    “the reason being it’s the only major sport that anyone can play — you don’t need to be tall or very big to play it” thats actually the great thing about soccer: practically every body type is suited for soccer, tall, short, big-boned, gracile, muscular, lean everything works.

  47. Black pitchers don’t want to sit in the bullpen for 4 days between starts. They could become relievers but relievers are usually failed starters, aren’t they? So they’d have to become a starter first to become a reliever.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    Like Darren Oliver (son of former MLBer Bob Oliver) and Arthur Rhodes. Both Black, both left-handed. They broke in the bigs in 1993 and 1991, respectively. Both began as starters, then by the early 2000's were LOOGYs (Lefty One-Out Guys) who were mainly brought in tight situations to get out dangerous lefty hitters. Were teammates on the 2011 Rangers, then Rhodes was traded to the cardinals and their teams met in the Series.
  48. So unfair. Discriminatory – the game is just discriminatory – how dare they use balls and not spears.

  49. @NeonBets
    OT...kinda: Steve caused quite a stir at The Federalist as a poster boy for the "bigotry of the alt-right." http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/14/you-cant-whitewash-the-alt-rights-bigotry/

    It would have been nice to comment on the stupidity of that article, but as of the time of my comment here, there were 5000 comments.

    Cathy Young’s hatchet job can be compared to the one in Commentary magazine; they are both reactions to an article that sought a fair appraisal of the alt.right on Breitbart.com. If you actually only read Young and Commentary you might think their arguments are fairly strong, but then if you read the original Breitbart piece you realize how vapid their articles are.

    Meanwhile, Cathy Young writes: Are there non-bigoted people involved in the alt-right? Probably.

    Hey, thanks a lot, babe!

    I actually thought Young’s article was OK until she characterized Unz.com as a den of anti-semitic crackpottery and referenced Norman Finkelstein! I didn’t realize that politically she is basically Max Boot in a dress.

    Everyone should read the referenced articles to see how the dialog is evolving:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

    And Commentary:

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/coming-conservative-dark-age/

    • Replies: @guest
    "Bigoted" doesn't mean what you might think to them. It has little to do with what you'd find in the dictionary, and is more like "on the wrong side of history," or to the right of whoever's speaking. Or it means anyone who takes race seriously that doesn't side with nonwhites. Or anyone who takes "identity" seriously that doesn't side with identities that used to be in power.

    Or, more simply, anyone you disagree with. But that wouldn't apply in this case, because they said there are probably non-bigoted people on the alt-right. Which means that there are some on the alt-right who are close enough to conservatives that they wouldn't immediately want to offer them up as sacrifices to the left three seconds into talking to them.
    , @guest
    I thought Jews got a pass on anti-semitism, so long as they're not Holocaust "deniers." Which Finklestein isn't. He gives a little too much aid and comfort to deniers, I guess . Or is a useful idiot, or something.

    By the way, the official Holocaust stranglehold is strong and it doesn't take a Max Boot to overreact. Any site with a comment section that repeatedly brings up the heresy could easily be judged in denial. Not that she combs through the Unz comment section. She can be told, or they just know. Their special anti-semite senses tingle in the presence of heretics.
    , @guest
    They'll never know how to respond to us, by the way. Same way leftists don't know, except to shriek "racist/fascist." That's because they don't read us, or only in small doses, whereas we can't escape them. It's our only advantage. They have legitimacy, money, exposure, power, and attract the best and the brightest. We have the fact that they're narrow and interchangeable and don't know it.
    , @Lot
    Unz.com has a lot of great content: Steve Razib Frost and Derb. It is also a den of antisemetic crackpottery. The nice thing about being rich and a talented programmer is you can do whatever you want online!
    , @SFG
    I read that article, and the Breitbart one it referred to.

    IMHO, with all the black/female/LGBT identity politics, you can't be too surprised when white people want to have one too.

    Exactly what's going to happen after Trump, I have no clue. He was sort of a lucky coincidence in that his New York connections gave him a wider appeal than he would have had if he were, say, a conservative Georgia real estate developer. You'll probably see big fissures in the GOP and at least one Hillary term.

    The Republicans don't have a good option--they need money from rich guys who want open borders and votes from poor white guys who don't, and were willing to go along with it, but not anymore. Probably some Reagan-like figure will come along in a decade or so and somehow manage to square the circle.

    The neocons may go back to the left (hey, Hillary loves Israel), or they may pile into libertarianism, or something I haven't thought of.
  50. We’re having a conversation about the best black pitchers and nobody mentions Pedro Martinez? There’s no doubt that he’s mostly black.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "We’re having a conversation about the best black pitchers and nobody mentions Pedro Martinez? There’s no doubt that he’s mostly black."

    You don't even have to be mostly Black to be considered Black in The U.S, let alone 100 percent Black.

    The former chairman of the NAACP Benjamin Jealous is genetically 80 percent European. I doubt Pedro Martinez has anywhere near 80 percent European ancestry.

    So if Benjamin Jealous can be Black in America, so can Pedro Martinez.
    , @FLgeezer
    ...nobody mentions Pedro Martinez.

    Or Don Newcombe who was certifiably black. Newk was great!
  51. I thought the “concern” in the headline was enough, but then suddenly it’s “alarming?” Like a fire or an enemy invasion? At least they didn’t say it was troubling or problematic. Or maybe they did; I didn’t read the whole thing.

    Who cares?

  52. “The scarcity of black pitchers is staggering”, he exclaimed, then fainted.

    • Agree: Forbes
  53. Marty [AKA "coot veal or cot deal"] says:
    @SPMoore8
    Of all the major sports, I would think baseball is the one least likely to ever be in trouble; the reason being it's the only major sport that anyone can play -- you don't need to be tall or very big to play it, or excel at it. You just need to practice at it.

    As a Giants fan, my earliest memories was of a roster that always had a lot of Latins on it, so the current Latin dominance is not something I notice; but it is true that there are fewer whites and also also fewer blacks playing the game. On the other hand, the current Giants roster has 6 members of its lineup comprised of white English speaking Americans; the other two slots taken by a Puerto Rican and an African American: the black guy (Span) being the first Black Person in a Giants starting lineup in years -- this on the team of Mays, McCovey, Hart, and the two Bonds.

    It's possible that white people in general will stop playing sports altogether and just become obese. That seems to be trending. But baseball will be the last to go, if that's the case. Whites seem to have largely abandoned basketball and football already.

    As for the dearth of blacks in baseball, or at the pitcher's spot, I don't recall when there were ever a lot of black pitchers; the Gibsons, Goodens, Dontrelles, etc. were always rather rare. There used to be a lot of black guys in the starting lineups, usually in the outfield. There are fewer of those, but these swings are not that drastic. In 1986, 19% of ballplayers were black, which is 5% higher than the general population, today it is about 8%, 5% lower than the general population. Since there are 30 teams and 25 per team, we are talking about 750 major leaguers, more or less, 5% would be about 38 guys, or about 1 guy per team. Please.

    Of course MLB always goes through this routine to embrace black players, and, I suspect, sell tickets to black people, which is why we get the annual Jackie Robinson celebration, in which Robinson's uniform number (42) has been retired by all teams, except today, when everyone will be wearing it. Or at least they have done that in the past.

    Did you ever notice how the Giants, easily the most PC franchise in the majors, will occasionally reserve a roster spot for a black guy who flat can’t play? For several years they kept a second baseman named Burriss who could barely chip a foul ball. Same thing in the ’90s with Tom Goodwin, who could run but nothing else. And then there was headcase-gopherball artist Jerome Williams who they kept giving chances to as well. Besides being black, he was from Hawaii and wore a puka shell necklace, which I guess excited the Harvey Milk section of the park. By the way, next to Cueto the blackest pitcher right now is Francisco Liriano. He’s pretty good too, somewhat Sebathia-like.

  54. @Shouting Thomas
    The phrase "concern many" seems to refer solely to the writer of this article who is hoping to stoke a little controversy to draw attention to himself.

    Liberals like to concern themselves with things. Anyone not likewise concerned they find concerning, if not problematic.

  55. @SPMoore8
    Cathy Young's hatchet job can be compared to the one in Commentary magazine; they are both reactions to an article that sought a fair appraisal of the alt.right on Breitbart.com. If you actually only read Young and Commentary you might think their arguments are fairly strong, but then if you read the original Breitbart piece you realize how vapid their articles are.

    Meanwhile, Cathy Young writes: Are there non-bigoted people involved in the alt-right? Probably.

    Hey, thanks a lot, babe!

    I actually thought Young's article was OK until she characterized Unz.com as a den of anti-semitic crackpottery and referenced Norman Finkelstein! I didn't realize that politically she is basically Max Boot in a dress.

    Everyone should read the referenced articles to see how the dialog is evolving:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

    And Commentary:

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/coming-conservative-dark-age/

    “Bigoted” doesn’t mean what you might think to them. It has little to do with what you’d find in the dictionary, and is more like “on the wrong side of history,” or to the right of whoever’s speaking. Or it means anyone who takes race seriously that doesn’t side with nonwhites. Or anyone who takes “identity” seriously that doesn’t side with identities that used to be in power.

    Or, more simply, anyone you disagree with. But that wouldn’t apply in this case, because they said there are probably non-bigoted people on the alt-right. Which means that there are some on the alt-right who are close enough to conservatives that they wouldn’t immediately want to offer them up as sacrifices to the left three seconds into talking to them.

  56. @SPMoore8
    Cathy Young's hatchet job can be compared to the one in Commentary magazine; they are both reactions to an article that sought a fair appraisal of the alt.right on Breitbart.com. If you actually only read Young and Commentary you might think their arguments are fairly strong, but then if you read the original Breitbart piece you realize how vapid their articles are.

    Meanwhile, Cathy Young writes: Are there non-bigoted people involved in the alt-right? Probably.

    Hey, thanks a lot, babe!

    I actually thought Young's article was OK until she characterized Unz.com as a den of anti-semitic crackpottery and referenced Norman Finkelstein! I didn't realize that politically she is basically Max Boot in a dress.

    Everyone should read the referenced articles to see how the dialog is evolving:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

    And Commentary:

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/coming-conservative-dark-age/

    I thought Jews got a pass on anti-semitism, so long as they’re not Holocaust “deniers.” Which Finklestein isn’t. He gives a little too much aid and comfort to deniers, I guess . Or is a useful idiot, or something.

    By the way, the official Holocaust stranglehold is strong and it doesn’t take a Max Boot to overreact. Any site with a comment section that repeatedly brings up the heresy could easily be judged in denial. Not that she combs through the Unz comment section. She can be told, or they just know. Their special anti-semite senses tingle in the presence of heretics.

  57. @NeonBets
    OT...kinda: Steve caused quite a stir at The Federalist as a poster boy for the "bigotry of the alt-right." http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/14/you-cant-whitewash-the-alt-rights-bigotry/

    It would have been nice to comment on the stupidity of that article, but as of the time of my comment here, there were 5000 comments.

    Young’s article would’ve been interesting if it contained an argument, rather than ad hominem. She writes as another SJW, defining the limits of polite company and respectable debate. She apparently hails from the same community that believes that dissent can only be offered by Democrats during Republican administrations.

    It’s a funny (strange) article in contrast to the USA Today article critiqued by Sailer. Either race matters–or it doesn’t. If it matters, then all aspects are discussable. If it doesn’t, then stop obsessing over it.

    You’d have thought someone born and raised in the Soviet Union would respect debate–especially debate outside the constraints deemed by those ‘in the mainstream’ –but you’d be wrong.

  58. In a word: fathers. Or at least a male leader to train every day.

    Pitching and catching are, today, advanced skill positions. To get good at them you need everyday training and a lot of one-on-one coaching. In 90% of the cases that means dear old Dad (or a coach hired by Dad) is out there 3-5 times a week catching you or showing you how to catch him. Since the black family has died since the 1960s, blacks have had fewer and fewer free coaches in the form of Dad to train them in these positions.

    It’s similar to football QBs. These days you need a Dad to either throw with you 3-5 times a week or pay for a coach to do it–if you want to play college or NFL and be more than just a running back who throws sometimes (like Vince Young or Michael Vick).

    You’ll hear stories about the occasional fatherless kid from the Carribean or South America, but the MLB has coaches in those countries specifically paid to do the one-on-one with the wunderkinds. That wouldn’t work well in the ghetto because a ghetto black choosing between a hard skill position and the all-you-need-is-athleticism-and-height NBA/NFL (non-QB position) is going to go the easy money route every time.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Or dear old mom. Growing up, my brother and I spent more time throwing with our mom, former high school softball team captain, than we did with our dad. She taught my brother, a lefty, a lot about pitching, and he ended up a scholarship ballplayer who pitched 3 times in the College World Series.

    Almost 40 years later, we're sitting in the stands watching my nephew pitch in a Little League game. A little pop-up came into the stands, which I caught and handed to my mom. The kid playing third came over to get the ball, but mom stood up and pegged a perfect strike to her grandson on the mound. I'll never forget the look on his face.

    She continued to play catch with her grandsons until breast cancer ended her throwing career.
  59. @SPMoore8
    Cathy Young's hatchet job can be compared to the one in Commentary magazine; they are both reactions to an article that sought a fair appraisal of the alt.right on Breitbart.com. If you actually only read Young and Commentary you might think their arguments are fairly strong, but then if you read the original Breitbart piece you realize how vapid their articles are.

    Meanwhile, Cathy Young writes: Are there non-bigoted people involved in the alt-right? Probably.

    Hey, thanks a lot, babe!

    I actually thought Young's article was OK until she characterized Unz.com as a den of anti-semitic crackpottery and referenced Norman Finkelstein! I didn't realize that politically she is basically Max Boot in a dress.

    Everyone should read the referenced articles to see how the dialog is evolving:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

    And Commentary:

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/coming-conservative-dark-age/

    They’ll never know how to respond to us, by the way. Same way leftists don’t know, except to shriek “racist/fascist.” That’s because they don’t read us, or only in small doses, whereas we can’t escape them. It’s our only advantage. They have legitimacy, money, exposure, power, and attract the best and the brightest. We have the fact that they’re narrow and interchangeable and don’t know it.

  60. @slumber_j
    Russell Martin is "black"?!!!!! I had him pegged for French. Wow.

    Russell Martin is “black”?!!!!! I had him pegged for French. Wow.

    His mother is a Quebec French Canadian and he went to French-language elementary and high school. It’s a coincidence that his father’s family name is a common family name in both English and French.

  61. Merkel breaks tie vote to allow prosecution of comic for insulting Erdogan.

    http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINKCN0XC1PQ?irpc=932

    Buried at the end of the article is a line that says Merkel wants to change the law so prosecutors do not first need to get the cabinet’s permission before prosecuting “insulting” speech.

  62. @SPMoore8
    Cathy Young's hatchet job can be compared to the one in Commentary magazine; they are both reactions to an article that sought a fair appraisal of the alt.right on Breitbart.com. If you actually only read Young and Commentary you might think their arguments are fairly strong, but then if you read the original Breitbart piece you realize how vapid their articles are.

    Meanwhile, Cathy Young writes: Are there non-bigoted people involved in the alt-right? Probably.

    Hey, thanks a lot, babe!

    I actually thought Young's article was OK until she characterized Unz.com as a den of anti-semitic crackpottery and referenced Norman Finkelstein! I didn't realize that politically she is basically Max Boot in a dress.

    Everyone should read the referenced articles to see how the dialog is evolving:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

    And Commentary:

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/coming-conservative-dark-age/

    Unz.com has a lot of great content: Steve Razib Frost and Derb. It is also a den of antisemetic crackpottery. The nice thing about being rich and a talented programmer is you can do whatever you want online!

    • Replies: @guest
    Unz.com may have anti-semitic crackpottery, but saying it's a den of anti-semitic crackpottery implies that's all it is, or most of what it is. Which isn't true. Like if I were to call Congress a "den of thieves" you wouldn't assume I meant ten representatives and one senator cheated on their taxes. This site has more anti-semitism than that hypothetical Congress has thievery, but I'm making a point.

    People like the one that wrote that article operate on a sort of one drop rule for anti-semitism (or "anti-semitism"). One comment per neutral article doubting the Six Million or mentioning the International Joo Conspiracy is enough.
    , @Hunsdon
    Say, Lot, I wonder if you would expand a little on your comment. A den of antisemitic crackpottery---that's quite a claim! Are you referring to any of the principal authors collected here? (And if so, who?) Is it the folks in the peanut gallery? (And if so, who?) And just what do you mean by antisemitic crackpottery?
  63. While blacks have many athletic attributes–speed, strength, hand-eye, speed, height, hand-size , balance and speed–they seem to have no natural proclivity for “throwing.” This is true across the board, in all sports, and perhaps it explains their over-representation at sports demanding large hands–football, basketball–and under representation in sports that don’t–golf, tennis, baseball as much as “nurture” or “intellectual” elements. A telling fact: given the hand size, you’d think they’d make superb quarterbacks, but the best and the majority of QBs remain white. Perhpas it’s the overlong arms that can’t quite be co-ordinated for a consistent throwing motion and go out of whack too easily.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    How long are Steph Curry's arms?
    , @Anonymous
    John Stockton has huge hands, which presumably contributed to his point guard skills. They are apparently comparable to or even larger than 7'4" Mark Eaton's hands:

    http://rockmonster.blogs.deseretnews.com/2014/02/21/manziel-its-all-in-the-hands/

    More interesting is that John Stockton had abnormally large hands and could thus throw 1-hand passes off the dribble with amazing accuracy. I once asked him to measure his hands against mine, which are fairly big. Stockton’s were far bigger. I then asked him to measure his hand with 7-foot-4 Mark Eaton’s. Stockton’s hands were as large or larger than Eaton’s.

    I noticed at the BYU game Thursday night that Stockton’s son David, a guard at Gonzaga, inherited the same big hands.
     
  64. @Arclight
    We've really gone down the rabbit hole when this is allegedly a major concern in sports - which I actually doubt it is amongst the people who actually play baseball. And of course the concern all goes one way, as I know I will never read an article pondering the dearth of white running backs in the NFL.

    Well, you will, but only along the lines of “there’s nothing to see here”/”culture explains it.” What you’ll never see is an examination of the non-existence of white cornerbacks, because there’s no conceivable explanation of that except black superiority in the relevant athletic traits.

  65. @Tiny Duck
    Outside of exurban whites, kids aren't playing baseball much anymore. It's not a problem now, we'll keep importing players from Latin America and Asia. But if what you say is true, then baseball is in long-term trouble in the US.

    This is one of those myths that will not die. http://sbrnet.com/Blog/July-2015/Youth-Sports-Participation-Declines-Significantly.aspx

    Baseball remains about as popular with whom it will always be popular. It’s never going to be a ghetto sport. Basketball is cheap and easy to run so it will always be the go-to organized activity for urban areas. Plus you have the demographics.

    The sport in long term trouble is football. The long term liabilities are similar to what the tobacco industry faced. The concussion issue is already hitting youth football and that’s going to accelerate in the next decade. Then there is the fact Hispanics don’t play football. They will gravitate to baseball and soccer, hoping to emulate whites.

    Football is where boxing was in the 1970’s.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    The proliferation of charter schools is playing a part in football's demise. Many charter schools are too small to field a football team much less be competitive. Deion Sanders tried to run sports-themed charter schools but as you can imagine that didn't go over too well with traditional Texas high schools that were losing their talent.

    The NCAA just banned satellite camps. Coaches from other conferences were "guests" at camps in the SEC and using the opportunity to scout. Now coaches have to hold camps at their own facilities where the high school talent might be thin.

    Radiolab did a show on football and said that with the exception of lacrosse and hockey, there was a decline in youth participation in all sports. The reporter spoke to several coaches in different states and nearly all said that a child's ability to restart a video game every time they are losing made sports unappealing since they can't hit restart if they are losing an athletic event.

    http://www.radiolab.org/story/football/

    Hispanics don’t play football. They will gravitate to baseball and soccer, hoping to emulate whites
     
    They will attempt to go into baseball and soccer to emulate the numerous professional Hispanic players, not whites.
  66. @SPMoore8
    Cathy Young's hatchet job can be compared to the one in Commentary magazine; they are both reactions to an article that sought a fair appraisal of the alt.right on Breitbart.com. If you actually only read Young and Commentary you might think their arguments are fairly strong, but then if you read the original Breitbart piece you realize how vapid their articles are.

    Meanwhile, Cathy Young writes: Are there non-bigoted people involved in the alt-right? Probably.

    Hey, thanks a lot, babe!

    I actually thought Young's article was OK until she characterized Unz.com as a den of anti-semitic crackpottery and referenced Norman Finkelstein! I didn't realize that politically she is basically Max Boot in a dress.

    Everyone should read the referenced articles to see how the dialog is evolving:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

    And Commentary:

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/coming-conservative-dark-age/

    I read that article, and the Breitbart one it referred to.

    IMHO, with all the black/female/LGBT identity politics, you can’t be too surprised when white people want to have one too.

    Exactly what’s going to happen after Trump, I have no clue. He was sort of a lucky coincidence in that his New York connections gave him a wider appeal than he would have had if he were, say, a conservative Georgia real estate developer. You’ll probably see big fissures in the GOP and at least one Hillary term.

    The Republicans don’t have a good option–they need money from rich guys who want open borders and votes from poor white guys who don’t, and were willing to go along with it, but not anymore. Probably some Reagan-like figure will come along in a decade or so and somehow manage to square the circle.

    The neocons may go back to the left (hey, Hillary loves Israel), or they may pile into libertarianism, or something I haven’t thought of.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Well, the first thing I would say is, don't confuse the internet with reality. To put it another way, nobody else I know uses the internet for political-cultural venting. It really has nothing to do with the price of eggs.

    As for me, this site is a handy way for me to discuss the news and political and cultural trends without the stifling conformity and shibboleth wielding you will find in most other places. It's really that simple, and it's worth the $100 I donate every quarter (it's coming, it's coming .....)

    Necons are basically very socially liberal, the only way they are "conservative" is that they like the idea of the armed services doing stuff. However, no conservative would have condoned decapitating sovereign states gratuitously. US foreign policy under GWB was nothing but neocons in the saddle, and it did a lot of damage in many, many ways. Reading between the lines, it seems clear that Cathy Young is just your typical neocon with strong socially liberal attitudes, she just doesn't write about how we have a moral obligation to invade this country, or that country, or ..... I don't think neocons really have a home outside of the Democrat party now. Watch for President Hilary to start a war, or two.

    Republicans are basically irrelevant -- speaking as one -- because the only way they've defined themselves since Nixon was in terms of traditional values. Not to say that traditional values no longer exist, but no one is willing to articulate them anymore. GOP failures to even address immigration, values issues, or the plight of the white silent majority are the reasons why Trump is popular. It has nothing to do with the alt.right as such.

    I really have no idea what will happen next.
    , @ben tillman

    IMHO, with all the black/female/LGBT identity politics, you can’t be too surprised when white people want to have one too.
     
    Life is a team sport. The amazing thing is that Whites can be convinced that otherwise.
  67. @Expletive Deleted
    West Indies demon bowlers were and continue to be some of the most feared on the planet.

    And no slouches with the bat either. As the wretched Ben Stokes discovered a couple of weeks back. Four consecutive sixes, bang bang bang bang, at the death.

    They were, but are no longer. The disappearance of great cricketers from the Caribbean, in the generation born after 1970, is a very curious phenomenon. The stranger, because there aren’t two other lucrative team sports competing for attention as in America.

  68. @Dwright
    From your top twenty you show David Price who is half white. So even less so.

    David Price also went to Vanderbilt, so he’s not exactly representative of the black population in the U.S.

  69. MC says:

    Has anyone ever pointed out that the economics concept of “comparative advantage” applies to sports?

    For example, let’s assume that blacks had the exact same natural pitching ability as whites, but have somewhat greater natural ability to steal bases and run down fly balls in the outfield. Then blacks would have an absolute advantage at playing the outfield, but whites would have a comparative advantage at pitching, because there would be less demand for their outfielding skills.

    Or lets assume that blacks have the exact same natural ability as whites at playing baseball, but MUCH greater natural ability than whites, on average, at basketball and football. Whites would then have a comparative advantage for baseball, because their skills in other sports are less in demand.

    In those cases, there would be no reason to expect baseball to have the same proportion of blacks as the general population, nor for pitching to have the same proportion of blacks as baseball on the whole.

    • Replies: @Honesthughgrant
    The best black athletes seem to have an advantage in foot-speed and jumping ability. However, there's no reason they should be superior to whites in hand-eye coordination, upper-body strength or general intelligence.
    , @guest
    Economics doesn't factor into Social Justice. We must have proportional representation in absolutely everything, including baseball, position by position. Doesn't matter if it slows your team down around the bases or more fly balls go uncaught. Do you think equality has anything to do with efficiency? Less efficiency, more black pitchers!
    , @Brutusale
    Nope.

    There's no lack of guys with the ability to play center field well (each MLB team has a couple sitting on their benches with that very talent to play late-inning defense) and pitching ability is infinitely more valuable.

    Every single #1 MLB draft pick for the past 12 years has been a pitcher, catcher or shortstop. Strength up the middle.

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    But there may be some contrary evidence that MLB teams in a desperate bid for "diversity" hang onto to black pitchers longer than their numbers would suggest:

    Exhibit A - Dontrelle Willis and the Detroit Tigers. The Tigers signed the wild Willis to a three-year deal for $30 million in 2008. Even though he redefined the word "bust" they didn't let him go until 2010.

    ERA with Detroit - well north of 7.

    Walks - 92 in a total of 101 innings pitched in three seasons.

    Victory total pitching for the Tigers? 2 - including 0 in 2008. ( 1 in 2009, 1 in 2010. )

    I'm old and out of shape, but I could have pitched and given the Tigers 0 - ZERO - victories in 2008. I would have cost a lot less than $10 million, too. Heck, I'll go out and NOT WIN A SINGLE GAME for a cool $1 million, baby!
  70. @SFG
    I read that article, and the Breitbart one it referred to.

    IMHO, with all the black/female/LGBT identity politics, you can't be too surprised when white people want to have one too.

    Exactly what's going to happen after Trump, I have no clue. He was sort of a lucky coincidence in that his New York connections gave him a wider appeal than he would have had if he were, say, a conservative Georgia real estate developer. You'll probably see big fissures in the GOP and at least one Hillary term.

    The Republicans don't have a good option--they need money from rich guys who want open borders and votes from poor white guys who don't, and were willing to go along with it, but not anymore. Probably some Reagan-like figure will come along in a decade or so and somehow manage to square the circle.

    The neocons may go back to the left (hey, Hillary loves Israel), or they may pile into libertarianism, or something I haven't thought of.

    Well, the first thing I would say is, don’t confuse the internet with reality. To put it another way, nobody else I know uses the internet for political-cultural venting. It really has nothing to do with the price of eggs.

    As for me, this site is a handy way for me to discuss the news and political and cultural trends without the stifling conformity and shibboleth wielding you will find in most other places. It’s really that simple, and it’s worth the $100 I donate every quarter (it’s coming, it’s coming …..)

    Necons are basically very socially liberal, the only way they are “conservative” is that they like the idea of the armed services doing stuff. However, no conservative would have condoned decapitating sovereign states gratuitously. US foreign policy under GWB was nothing but neocons in the saddle, and it did a lot of damage in many, many ways. Reading between the lines, it seems clear that Cathy Young is just your typical neocon with strong socially liberal attitudes, she just doesn’t write about how we have a moral obligation to invade this country, or that country, or ….. I don’t think neocons really have a home outside of the Democrat party now. Watch for President Hilary to start a war, or two.

    Republicans are basically irrelevant — speaking as one — because the only way they’ve defined themselves since Nixon was in terms of traditional values. Not to say that traditional values no longer exist, but no one is willing to articulate them anymore. GOP failures to even address immigration, values issues, or the plight of the white silent majority are the reasons why Trump is popular. It has nothing to do with the alt.right as such.

    I really have no idea what will happen next.

    • Replies: @guest
    Also, "family values" are largely irrelevant to electoral politics, at least at the federal level, and the courts do all they can to ensure they don't matter at any level. The permanent government will institute leftism no matter who we put in office.
    , @Barnard
    It looks like most of Cathy Young's work appears on Reason, so she might not be a neo-con. Her column at The Federalist was one of the lazier, poorly researched columns I have read recently. In addition to calling VDare Steve Sailer's website, she acted like he has no interests beyond commenting on HBD.

    Looking through her archive at Reason, she wrote two columns for them on the Jackie Coakley story without mentioning Steve or Richard Bradley. Hard to say if she is just lazy or ignores the work of writers she doesn't like.

    , @SFG
    Good point--Trump has more to do with blue-collar white guys angry their jobs have been outsourced than 4chan. Though 4chan helps, of course.
    , @ben tillman
    Good comment.
  71. @Lot
    Unz.com has a lot of great content: Steve Razib Frost and Derb. It is also a den of antisemetic crackpottery. The nice thing about being rich and a talented programmer is you can do whatever you want online!

    Unz.com may have anti-semitic crackpottery, but saying it’s a den of anti-semitic crackpottery implies that’s all it is, or most of what it is. Which isn’t true. Like if I were to call Congress a “den of thieves” you wouldn’t assume I meant ten representatives and one senator cheated on their taxes. This site has more anti-semitism than that hypothetical Congress has thievery, but I’m making a point.

    People like the one that wrote that article operate on a sort of one drop rule for anti-semitism (or “anti-semitism”). One comment per neutral article doubting the Six Million or mentioning the International Joo Conspiracy is enough.

    • Replies: @Lot
    No need to decide on the question of a "one-drop" rule here because it sure is more than one drop. Maybe 10% of the non-Steve/Razib/Frost/Derb/Cockurn content is attacks on Israel and/or Jews?

    It is actually improved from a year ago. Ron seems to have taken up the suggestion of me and several others to feature his star bloggers on the top of the homepage and sidebar links. Used to be the most prominent links were to the various deceased columnists, elderly cranks (sorry to say that now includes Paul Craig Roberts, whose writing was pretty good in the early 2000's) and the jew-obsessed.
    , @Anonymous
    A lot, perhaps most, of the articles seem to attract anti-Semitic crackpots into the comment threads, even for articles that have little or nothing to do with Jews. So in that sense it could be argued that it's a den of anti-Semitic crackpottery.
    , @Jack D
    If a soft drink contained only 10% feces, or even 1%, would you buy it? The usual level of tolerance in the rest of American society for public anti-Semitism is zero, so even a little bit of anti-Semitism is shocking to see. It's unfortunate because it de-legitimizes the rest of Steve's work that doesn't deserve to be de-legitimized in the mainstream. It's a tough problem, because you want to be for free speech and you don't want to adopt the McCarthyite tactics of the left where no deviation from the Party line in any matter larger or small is permitted on pain of losing your job (and Steve is not responsible for the view of his commenters) but if your biggest fans are raving anti-Semites then you may have a problem.
  72. @SPMoore8
    Well, the first thing I would say is, don't confuse the internet with reality. To put it another way, nobody else I know uses the internet for political-cultural venting. It really has nothing to do with the price of eggs.

    As for me, this site is a handy way for me to discuss the news and political and cultural trends without the stifling conformity and shibboleth wielding you will find in most other places. It's really that simple, and it's worth the $100 I donate every quarter (it's coming, it's coming .....)

    Necons are basically very socially liberal, the only way they are "conservative" is that they like the idea of the armed services doing stuff. However, no conservative would have condoned decapitating sovereign states gratuitously. US foreign policy under GWB was nothing but neocons in the saddle, and it did a lot of damage in many, many ways. Reading between the lines, it seems clear that Cathy Young is just your typical neocon with strong socially liberal attitudes, she just doesn't write about how we have a moral obligation to invade this country, or that country, or ..... I don't think neocons really have a home outside of the Democrat party now. Watch for President Hilary to start a war, or two.

    Republicans are basically irrelevant -- speaking as one -- because the only way they've defined themselves since Nixon was in terms of traditional values. Not to say that traditional values no longer exist, but no one is willing to articulate them anymore. GOP failures to even address immigration, values issues, or the plight of the white silent majority are the reasons why Trump is popular. It has nothing to do with the alt.right as such.

    I really have no idea what will happen next.

    Also, “family values” are largely irrelevant to electoral politics, at least at the federal level, and the courts do all they can to ensure they don’t matter at any level. The permanent government will institute leftism no matter who we put in office.

  73. Up until my junior year in high school when I didn’t make my high school JV baseball team, I still thought I was going to make it as a major league pitcher. At about the same time, I took down my early ’70s baseball cards of Vida Blue and Nolan Ryan from a shelf I made in shop class above my bed.

  74. Here’s one (potentially) relevant data point: when I taught a few blocks from Yankee Stadium in the Bronx, during some of the Yankees’ best recent seasons, the Hispanic 70% of the student body was, not surprisingly, obsessed with baseball, but the black 30% were still all about football and basketball.

    It’s actually a pretty good example of how local or neighborhood culture can exaggerate national trends but has a hard time going directly against them.

  75. I find it a major concern that there are not enough Olympic level white sprinters. And one of my favorite movies is Chariots of Fire.

    Who can I complain to about this?

    BTW, when I played Little League, I got pigeon-holed early on as a pitcher. That’s because I threw left-handed, was tall, and I could get it over the plate. When not pitching, I was relegated to first base, I guess because the coaches wanted to save me for pitching. I would have preferred to play more at say, center field or something. (I could throw, hit and field well.)

    I was stereotyped!

  76. @SPMoore8
    Of all the major sports, I would think baseball is the one least likely to ever be in trouble; the reason being it's the only major sport that anyone can play -- you don't need to be tall or very big to play it, or excel at it. You just need to practice at it.

    As a Giants fan, my earliest memories was of a roster that always had a lot of Latins on it, so the current Latin dominance is not something I notice; but it is true that there are fewer whites and also also fewer blacks playing the game. On the other hand, the current Giants roster has 6 members of its lineup comprised of white English speaking Americans; the other two slots taken by a Puerto Rican and an African American: the black guy (Span) being the first Black Person in a Giants starting lineup in years -- this on the team of Mays, McCovey, Hart, and the two Bonds.

    It's possible that white people in general will stop playing sports altogether and just become obese. That seems to be trending. But baseball will be the last to go, if that's the case. Whites seem to have largely abandoned basketball and football already.

    As for the dearth of blacks in baseball, or at the pitcher's spot, I don't recall when there were ever a lot of black pitchers; the Gibsons, Goodens, Dontrelles, etc. were always rather rare. There used to be a lot of black guys in the starting lineups, usually in the outfield. There are fewer of those, but these swings are not that drastic. In 1986, 19% of ballplayers were black, which is 5% higher than the general population, today it is about 8%, 5% lower than the general population. Since there are 30 teams and 25 per team, we are talking about 750 major leaguers, more or less, 5% would be about 38 guys, or about 1 guy per team. Please.

    Of course MLB always goes through this routine to embrace black players, and, I suspect, sell tickets to black people, which is why we get the annual Jackie Robinson celebration, in which Robinson's uniform number (42) has been retired by all teams, except today, when everyone will be wearing it. Or at least they have done that in the past.

    it’s the only major sport that anyone can play — you don’t need to be tall or very big to play it, or excel at it.

    I was at Fenway Park South last month to see the Red Sox v. Marlins. I thought the second baseman was some young rookie because he was so short and small-statured. Of course, it was ROY, MVP, 2x World Series Champ, .300-hitter Dustin Pedroia (very generously listed at 5-7).

    • Replies: @Lot
    Do you happen to know the shorted MLB player, and shortest star player?
  77. @SPMoore8
    Of all the major sports, I would think baseball is the one least likely to ever be in trouble; the reason being it's the only major sport that anyone can play -- you don't need to be tall or very big to play it, or excel at it. You just need to practice at it.

    As a Giants fan, my earliest memories was of a roster that always had a lot of Latins on it, so the current Latin dominance is not something I notice; but it is true that there are fewer whites and also also fewer blacks playing the game. On the other hand, the current Giants roster has 6 members of its lineup comprised of white English speaking Americans; the other two slots taken by a Puerto Rican and an African American: the black guy (Span) being the first Black Person in a Giants starting lineup in years -- this on the team of Mays, McCovey, Hart, and the two Bonds.

    It's possible that white people in general will stop playing sports altogether and just become obese. That seems to be trending. But baseball will be the last to go, if that's the case. Whites seem to have largely abandoned basketball and football already.

    As for the dearth of blacks in baseball, or at the pitcher's spot, I don't recall when there were ever a lot of black pitchers; the Gibsons, Goodens, Dontrelles, etc. were always rather rare. There used to be a lot of black guys in the starting lineups, usually in the outfield. There are fewer of those, but these swings are not that drastic. In 1986, 19% of ballplayers were black, which is 5% higher than the general population, today it is about 8%, 5% lower than the general population. Since there are 30 teams and 25 per team, we are talking about 750 major leaguers, more or less, 5% would be about 38 guys, or about 1 guy per team. Please.

    Of course MLB always goes through this routine to embrace black players, and, I suspect, sell tickets to black people, which is why we get the annual Jackie Robinson celebration, in which Robinson's uniform number (42) has been retired by all teams, except today, when everyone will be wearing it. Or at least they have done that in the past.

    As a Giants fan, my earliest memories was of a roster that always had a lot of Latins on it, so the current Latin dominance is not something I notice; but it is true that there are fewer whites and also also fewer blacks playing the game.

    The past several years, all (or nearly all) the starters on the Miami Marlins have been Latin. Part of that is probably be to appeal to the Miami Cubans. I was looking through some internet site the other day listing all the Marlins starters, year by year, and it surely wasn’t that way when the team started up in the early ’90s.

    And, by the way, Happy Jackie Robinson Day!

  78. Little league is a white privilege. Actually going along with the ‘white death’ is the children of the not well to do not participating in youth sports. I wonder what the backgrounds of the white pitchers is and how their parents could afford youth sports.

  79. e says:

    I thought it was funny in the DNC debate last night that the Bern and Hill spoke of the injustice of our legal system, the “institutional racism” that is rampant, what with all the blacks in jail for “minor offenses.” Not once did they come close to admitting that blacks themselves are much more likely to be guilty of “major offenses” than people of other races.

    The co-eds in the audience screamed for joy at their pandering. What a country.

  80. @SPMoore8
    Well, the first thing I would say is, don't confuse the internet with reality. To put it another way, nobody else I know uses the internet for political-cultural venting. It really has nothing to do with the price of eggs.

    As for me, this site is a handy way for me to discuss the news and political and cultural trends without the stifling conformity and shibboleth wielding you will find in most other places. It's really that simple, and it's worth the $100 I donate every quarter (it's coming, it's coming .....)

    Necons are basically very socially liberal, the only way they are "conservative" is that they like the idea of the armed services doing stuff. However, no conservative would have condoned decapitating sovereign states gratuitously. US foreign policy under GWB was nothing but neocons in the saddle, and it did a lot of damage in many, many ways. Reading between the lines, it seems clear that Cathy Young is just your typical neocon with strong socially liberal attitudes, she just doesn't write about how we have a moral obligation to invade this country, or that country, or ..... I don't think neocons really have a home outside of the Democrat party now. Watch for President Hilary to start a war, or two.

    Republicans are basically irrelevant -- speaking as one -- because the only way they've defined themselves since Nixon was in terms of traditional values. Not to say that traditional values no longer exist, but no one is willing to articulate them anymore. GOP failures to even address immigration, values issues, or the plight of the white silent majority are the reasons why Trump is popular. It has nothing to do with the alt.right as such.

    I really have no idea what will happen next.

    It looks like most of Cathy Young’s work appears on Reason, so she might not be a neo-con. Her column at The Federalist was one of the lazier, poorly researched columns I have read recently. In addition to calling VDare Steve Sailer’s website, she acted like he has no interests beyond commenting on HBD.

    Looking through her archive at Reason, she wrote two columns for them on the Jackie Coakley story without mentioning Steve or Richard Bradley. Hard to say if she is just lazy or ignores the work of writers she doesn’t like.

    • Replies: @SFG
    OK, not a neocon. Though I suspect she just skimmed over the golf course articles. ;)
  81. Perhaps it’s because the idea of someone doing a sugar melon dance on the mound every time he throws a strike is just too out of place in baseball.

    Seriously, we’ll all be better off once these traveling minstrel shows known as professional sports finally fold up.

  82. @iSteveFan
    Talk about race being an arbitrary social construct, this article takes the cake. Black latin players who are clearly descendants of slavery are not considered black. But then half-white Russell Martin, who was born in Canada and raised for a while in France, is.

    The truth is the Latin players the media doesn't want to consider black for their personal diversity census actually have more in common with American blacks than half-whites like Russell Martin, Chris Archer or even Obama who were all raised by their white relatives. Black Latins, like Black Americans, mostly grew up in poverty on the bottom rungs of the social ladder. They weren't raised in white enclaves by white relatives.

    “Talk about race being an arbitrary social construct, this article takes the cake. Black latin players who are clearly descendants of slavery are not considered black. But then half-white Russell Martin, who was born in Canada and raised for a while in France, is.

    The truth is the Latin players the media doesn’t want to consider black for their personal diversity census actually have more in common with American blacks than half-whites like Russell Martin, Chris Archer or even Obama who were all raised by their white relatives. Black Latins, like Black Americans, mostly grew up in poverty on the bottom rungs of the social ladder. They weren’t raised in white enclaves by white relatives.”

    If the MLB was 100 percent Dominican and did not have a single White Gringo player, you would still have Left Wingers complaining about the lack of Blacks there lol. In regards to an all Dominican MLB, Left Wingers would still be asking where is the melanin? You know because Dominicans are as pasty pale as Scottish gingers.

  83. @Shouting Thomas
    The phrase "concern many" seems to refer solely to the writer of this article who is hoping to stoke a little controversy to draw attention to himself.

    Shouting Thomas, I read the article and went to post, but then I saw that you said what I wanted to say. Make them define “many.” Remember, just a few months ago the sporting press was touting Rhonda Rousey as….”the greatest female athlete ever,” and the woman who could box Floyd Mayweather out of his jock. How did that turn out for her adoring, fawning fans at ESPN, USA Today and SI.

  84. @Clyde
    How many black Hispanic pitchers are there? This is the real test due to low Afro-American participation in baseball these days. Santo Domingo is full of pitchers.
    Anyway, the rough equation is pitcher = quarterback.

    Clyde, In baseball Quarterback=Catcher.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Then how come pitchers are paid lots more? The catcher merely suggests to the man in charge who is the pitcher. Who is throwing the balls and strikeouts. Catcher is a bit like a professional golf caddy.
  85. @MKP
    "Greinke is the guy with the crazy blue eyes who missed the 2006 season with social anxiety disorder and attributes his return to form to Zoloft."

    Also missed a big portion of another season after the Padres' Carlos Quentin charged the mound and broke his collarbone.

    Couldn't there be some evolutionary explanation for white dominance in pitching - i.e., why the black advantage in quickness and jumping doesn't extend to throwing? Could throwing rocks have been more important in early stone age Europe and Central Asia than Africa?

    MLB pitching isn't THAT cerebral. If you can throw a fastball at least 94 mph and can master a basic curveball or slider, they can teach you everything else you need to know in one summer - at least to get you to the point of a roster spot in a major league team. Though obviously you'd need more than that to get into that 20-man list above.

    It might be that people are shocked to see a part of sports where blacks just aren't particularly great. But they shouldn't be. Black athletic dominance is mainly limited to lower-body explosiveness. Sprinting, basketball, some positions in football. A lot of sports that most people in the world care about aren't particularly stacked with Africans.

    The idea that a 94 mph fastball and one breaking ball is all that is needed for pitching success is laughable. The minor leagues are filled with pitchers like that who are totally ineffective in the majors. Pitching in the majors is all about deception, ball placement, movement, and disrupting major league hitters rhythm. The major leagues after all are filled with players who can reliably hit a big fat meatball even at 94 mph. And on the other hand, a pitcher like Jered Weaver can get players out with a fastball in the mid 80s. If that.

    Release points, angles of flight of the ball, all of that are critically important and require constant coaching. The Pirates are fairly legendary for taking washed up pitchers and coaching the heck out of them to recalibrate their release points and control.

    Indeed you could argue that the key to pitching success is reliably repeating a deceptive release point and arm slot angle so that hitters have a hard time picking up the pitch as a fastball, curve, etc. And the ability to repeat that motion exactly over say 110 pitches a game is not very easy and requires lots of technique and practice not raw athletic talent like waking up really fast every morning.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    You sound like a serious baseball fan. Are you a former player?

    On your comment about repeating the delivery, take the one exception Johnny Cueto. He actually makes a living out of changing his delivery after each pitch including the famous shimmy-shake.

    , @Anonymous
    Right, a straight mid-90s fastball alone isn't sufficient since hitters know when you're throwing them in counts with 2 or 3 balls.
    , @MKP
    "The idea that a 94 mph fastball and one breaking ball is all that is needed for pitching success is laughable. The minor leagues are filled with pitchers like that who are totally ineffective in the majors."

    The minor leagues are not "full" of guys throwing 94 mph. Guys throwing 90 or 91, maybe. But not 94. And yes, there's a big difference between 91 and 94.

    And I didn't say that was "all that is needed for pitching success." I said that, if you have a 94 mph fastball and a good breaking pitch, you're at a point where one season of good training by professionals could teach you to the point where you could get a spot on an MLB roster. Not as a star, but a spot on the team.

    Far fewer guys can consistently hit 94 on the radar gun, and pair it with a hard slider with good late break, than you might think. A lot of guys in A ball talk like they can do it.
    , @Brutusale
    Pedro Martinez' salad days were all about arm slot. The very same slot and release point could release a blistering 97-mph fastball or a knee-buckling 80-mph curveball.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQyLQFIhS4U

    My personal favorite windup and release from the master of NO arm slot. As a hitter, you need to pic up the release point as soon as possible to have a chance to make contact, but you never knew where it was coming from with Tiant.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn_FbRkZIvM
  86. @Jack D
    There aren't that many black pitchers but the ones that there are tend to be really really good (e.g. Sabathia). My theory is this - with their natural advantages in quickness, most blacks tend to get channeled into those positions where this lends the biggest advantage, such as the outfield. But if their pitching talent is extremely high then this outweighs the speed factor.

    Jack D, I used to set up an event at the Buffalo Bisons’ home ball park, at that time called Pilot Field, now known as Coca Cola Field. C.C. Sabathia was down in Buffalo rehabbing and the Indians sent Victor Martinez to catch him. C.C. is the size of my refrigerator and Martinez is the size of a mini van and if you didn’t know their last names you could consider them to be African American blacks. Only 400K plus African slaves were sent to North America ( this fact from Henry Lewis Gates) the rest, millions, were shipped to South America and the West Indies. So, a person of slave ancestry, from the DR, SA or the West Indies is black. There that fixes that, can’t these writers research anything?

  87. I think the Braves’ big three–Maddux, Galvine, and Smoltz–is also a good case study of the “unbearable whiteness” of MLB pitching.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    And Glavine had the potential to play in the NHL (69th pick in the 1984 NHL draft), so he gets extra whiteness points.
  88. MLB has a physiological component just as important as height is in basketball: eyesight. It takes far better than normal eyesight to pitch and hit at the major league level. To adjust your pitches, you have to be able to see within a couple of inches where your 100-mph pitch crossed the strike zone 60 feet away. Same goes for batting. MLB players are seeing the ball with a resolution that the normal person can barely conceive of. So I wonder whether there is a genetic component to good eyesight and whether it’s distributed evenly among the races.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Do pitchers require the sensational eyesight of hitters? Most can't hit at all, although Greinke can.
    , @Lot
    I'd think reaction time and general brain speed is more important than eyesight.

    The baseball itself is not hard to see, the hard part is processing the visual information that only is present for a flash. The pitcher will only see where the ball is located as it crosses by the plate for a split second, but has to remember where it crossed.
  89. “And ghetto blacks have little interest in training hard at the skills of baseball, so if they do wind up in baseball, it’s at the easier positions of outfielder or first base.”

    Let’s finish the sentence. Historically, the love for or the passion for baseball was passed down from father to son, from father to son. Well, with ca.75% out of wedlock births for all African-Americans (and many have no idea who their biological fathers are), coupled with the fact that they don’t tend to play stickball anymore (unless one counts using a stick in the Knockout Game), uh, why should they be interested in baseball? They can make just as much money in NFL or NBA, and with less time and effort. NBA’s half the MLB season and only 16 games in NFL for roughly the same amount of money.

    But you don’t need a father around to watch and play pickup basketball games with your peers on the concrete lots and they can always pick up NFL in jr. high school when perspective NFL recruits start to drop by.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Historically, the love for or the passion for baseball was passed down from father to son, from father to son.

    Let's cut to the chase here: the love and passion for Everything is passed from father to son. Work habits, sports, attitudes, hobbies, it all comes from Dad, both good and bad. If he's absent then the son has to scramble to figure out who he really is and what his calling in life should be. With Dad around it's much easier on the boy. It's also much easier for Mom to understand her son.

    When I hear people making excuses for single motherhood I can only shake my head. Just today a man in his 60's was telling me about his own father. That influence and relationship goes on forever.
  90. @Otto the P
    While blacks have many athletic attributes--speed, strength, hand-eye, speed, height, hand-size , balance and speed--they seem to have no natural proclivity for "throwing." This is true across the board, in all sports, and perhaps it explains their over-representation at sports demanding large hands--football, basketball--and under representation in sports that don't--golf, tennis, baseball as much as "nurture" or "intellectual" elements. A telling fact: given the hand size, you'd think they'd make superb quarterbacks, but the best and the majority of QBs remain white. Perhpas it's the overlong arms that can't quite be co-ordinated for a consistent throwing motion and go out of whack too easily.

    How long are Steph Curry’s arms?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Does Curry have long arms?

    I thought he'd be an example of the type of white player you've blogged about recently that doesn't pursue pro basketball these days, even though he's black. Curry is black, but he seems to be significantly white genetically, and his playing style is that of a highly skilled white player. His success seems to be due to his great shooting ability, skills, work ethic, and intelligence, rather than extreme physical abilities like most black players. Curry wasn't heavily recruited out of high school, and played college ball at the small liberal arts college of Davidson. Presumably having a former NBA player for a dad helped put him on the radar for the NBA despite playing for a small program in college and not being physically imposing.
  91. @james wilson
    The majority of pitching quality arms are ruined by pitching before the age of twenty, often well before. This is normal We are seeing the survivors of that attrition in mlb, but that is not representative of the original pool of talent. If a kid can excel at another position his chances of continuing on are much better.

    Also, a pitcher may benefit in several ways from being athletic, but there are successful pitchers and hard throwers who are not particularly athletic and could contribute no where else. Enter tall white guys. Short white pitchers are invariably athletic, and often left handed.

    Intelligence is unnecessary in pitching. Feel, or intuition, is more important. A good catcher is the intelligence for most pitchers. I know very intelligent pitchers who have absolutely no feel for the game. A few brainiacs, like Maddox, are their own astute coaches.

    Say you have the talent to eventually sign a 5 year / $50 million contract as either a pitcher or an outfielder, you just have to be in good health when you are in your later 20s. Then outfielder is probably the surer route, since the physical stresses are less likely to mean you’ll breakdown before your big payday.

  92. @Jean Cocteausten
    MLB has a physiological component just as important as height is in basketball: eyesight. It takes far better than normal eyesight to pitch and hit at the major league level. To adjust your pitches, you have to be able to see within a couple of inches where your 100-mph pitch crossed the strike zone 60 feet away. Same goes for batting. MLB players are seeing the ball with a resolution that the normal person can barely conceive of. So I wonder whether there is a genetic component to good eyesight and whether it's distributed evenly among the races.

    Do pitchers require the sensational eyesight of hitters? Most can’t hit at all, although Greinke can.

    • Replies: @DWB
    No. Pitching does not require sensational - or even average - eyesight.

    The Blue Jays had a guy named Tom Henke back in the 1980s who I think could just about throw a ball through a brick wall. When he was on the mound, he looked as though he could barely see, squinting in at the catcher through coke-bottle thick lenses. He was a reliever of course, but one year, he struck out 130 guys in 90 innings pitched.

    Ryne Duren was another guy - pitched for the Yankees in the 1960s. He could barely see (and rumour had it, was often drunk on the mound as well). He struck out better than a batter per inning over his career as well.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, I offered this on the post about younger baseball players doing so well...what is the effect of contact lenses? In my youth I never saw a baseball player, batter or pitcher wearing glasses, but it is impossible to believe they all had perfect vision. I would think that many had less than perfect eye sight but choose not to wear glasses because that you make you look weak or deficient. Today contacts are cheap and efficient, and no one knows you are wearing them. Just a thought.
    , @Jean Cocteausten
    MLB pitchers can hit better than probably 999 out of a thousand people. But that's not good enough in MLB - it has to be better than 999,999 out of a million. Likewise, position players can pitch better than 999 out of a thousand people. Once in a while a bullpen will get used up and they'll have to bring in an outfielder to pitch. The guy usually holds his own for an inning or two. But if you put the all-star pitcher from the local high school in there, he'd get lit up. There's no human alive who can both hit and pitch at the MLB level.
  93. @Honesthughgrant
    When are people going to start mocking these "Where are the blacks in baseball?" articles. Blacks make up 80% of the NBA and 66% of the NFL. Unless you think blacks are genetic supermen, its ridiculous to think 13% of the population should be over-represented in every sport.

    I notice there are very few "Where are the blacks in Tennis?" articles. I assume this is because Tennis is so international that attracting Black customers is a low priority.

    Where are the blacks in hockey?

    • Replies: @njguy73
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_NHL_players

    And per the SABR bio of Fergie Jenkins, "his mother objected to hockey after he got fourteen stitches in his head."
    , @Honesthughgrant

    Where are the blacks in hockey?
     
    Nowhere to be seen.
    Reason: Racism.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    SPMoore, probably a dozen in the NFL now including PK Subbran of Montreal, a true All Star and Evander Kane of the Sabres, named after Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson's favorite in fight snack food.
    , @ben tillman

    Where are the blacks in hockey?
     
    In the penalty box.

    Just kidding.
  94. @Anon
    We're having a conversation about the best black pitchers and nobody mentions Pedro Martinez? There's no doubt that he's mostly black.

    “We’re having a conversation about the best black pitchers and nobody mentions Pedro Martinez? There’s no doubt that he’s mostly black.”

    You don’t even have to be mostly Black to be considered Black in The U.S, let alone 100 percent Black.

    The former chairman of the NAACP Benjamin Jealous is genetically 80 percent European. I doubt Pedro Martinez has anywhere near 80 percent European ancestry.

    So if Benjamin Jealous can be Black in America, so can Pedro Martinez.

  95. You’ll never see this headline: LACK OF WHITE RUNNING BACKS CONFOUNDS FOOTBALL

    What a joke

  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Otto the P
    While blacks have many athletic attributes--speed, strength, hand-eye, speed, height, hand-size , balance and speed--they seem to have no natural proclivity for "throwing." This is true across the board, in all sports, and perhaps it explains their over-representation at sports demanding large hands--football, basketball--and under representation in sports that don't--golf, tennis, baseball as much as "nurture" or "intellectual" elements. A telling fact: given the hand size, you'd think they'd make superb quarterbacks, but the best and the majority of QBs remain white. Perhpas it's the overlong arms that can't quite be co-ordinated for a consistent throwing motion and go out of whack too easily.

    John Stockton has huge hands, which presumably contributed to his point guard skills. They are apparently comparable to or even larger than 7’4″ Mark Eaton’s hands:

    http://rockmonster.blogs.deseretnews.com/2014/02/21/manziel-its-all-in-the-hands/

    More interesting is that John Stockton had abnormally large hands and could thus throw 1-hand passes off the dribble with amazing accuracy. I once asked him to measure his hands against mine, which are fairly big. Stockton’s were far bigger. I then asked him to measure his hand with 7-foot-4 Mark Eaton’s. Stockton’s hands were as large or larger than Eaton’s.

    I noticed at the BYU game Thursday night that Stockton’s son David, a guard at Gonzaga, inherited the same big hands.

    • Replies: @5371
    JJ Watt has the same physiological peculiarity (even for a man of his height).
  97. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    How long are Steph Curry's arms?

    Does Curry have long arms?

    I thought he’d be an example of the type of white player you’ve blogged about recently that doesn’t pursue pro basketball these days, even though he’s black. Curry is black, but he seems to be significantly white genetically, and his playing style is that of a highly skilled white player. His success seems to be due to his great shooting ability, skills, work ethic, and intelligence, rather than extreme physical abilities like most black players. Curry wasn’t heavily recruited out of high school, and played college ball at the small liberal arts college of Davidson. Presumably having a former NBA player for a dad helped put him on the radar for the NBA despite playing for a small program in college and not being physically imposing.

    • Replies: @granesperanzablanco
    Leading the NCAA in scoring his junior year put him on the radar

    I understand Curry was still growing in college as was too small to attract interest from big programs
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    Does Curry have long arms?

     

    No. A quick google search reveals that Curry's totally average in this respect, i.e. he's 6' 3" with a nearly identical wingspan.

    Also, he's considered not very athletic for an NBA player (i.e. he's accused of having poor lateral quickness), and he's certainly no great leaper. I did see a highlight once of him sort of dunking, but it looked not unlike one of those WNBA 'throwdowns'. His teammates were shown laughing their asses off on the bench.

    Curry is therefore an outlier of the first order in terms of NBA talent/skills.

  98. Brains can’t be blamed. Lot’s of good QB’s.

  99. @Whiskey
    The idea that a 94 mph fastball and one breaking ball is all that is needed for pitching success is laughable. The minor leagues are filled with pitchers like that who are totally ineffective in the majors. Pitching in the majors is all about deception, ball placement, movement, and disrupting major league hitters rhythm. The major leagues after all are filled with players who can reliably hit a big fat meatball even at 94 mph. And on the other hand, a pitcher like Jered Weaver can get players out with a fastball in the mid 80s. If that.

    Release points, angles of flight of the ball, all of that are critically important and require constant coaching. The Pirates are fairly legendary for taking washed up pitchers and coaching the heck out of them to recalibrate their release points and control.

    Indeed you could argue that the key to pitching success is reliably repeating a deceptive release point and arm slot angle so that hitters have a hard time picking up the pitch as a fastball, curve, etc. And the ability to repeat that motion exactly over say 110 pitches a game is not very easy and requires lots of technique and practice not raw athletic talent like waking up really fast every morning.

    You sound like a serious baseball fan. Are you a former player?

    On your comment about repeating the delivery, take the one exception Johnny Cueto. He actually makes a living out of changing his delivery after each pitch including the famous shimmy-shake.

  100. There’s a recent documentary on Dock Ellis, the black pitcher in the 70s who was a drug addict and apparently threw a no-hitter on LSD:

  101. @Jack D

    sell tickets to black people
     
    Good luck with that. In the past, America had a unified popular culture - black and white people gave their children similar names, listed to the same music, watched the same TV shows, wore the same clothes, etc. Baseball was the national sport for all Americans. Even when blacks couldn't play in the majors, they had their own league to play the same sport - their fondest goal was to be accepted as Americans.

    But now, our culture has been fragmented. Blacks want nothing to do with things they consider "white". And baseball falls in that category, both playing and attending.

    white girls and Black Men seem to like each other well enough

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    white girls and Black Men seem to like each other well enough
     
    And that speaks volumes about black women, doesn't it?

    As does your juxtaposition of "Men" and girls".
  102. @Jack D
    Just another job Americans won't do.

    Seriously, for a Dominican kid, playing American baseball, even on some farm team, is a ticket to riches beyond their wildest dreams and they are willing to channel 100% of their time and energy into this goal. If you ask a black kid what his dream is, 9 out of 10 will say the NBA or the NFL. Most white kids don't think of pro sports careers at all.

    Once Cuba opens up fully, MLB will be even more Latin.

    “If you ask a black kid what his dream is, 9 out of 10 will say the NBA or the NFL.”

    You forgot to add rapper and community organizer.

  103. It’s hard to believe there are only around 375 major league non-pitcher position players. I guess all the teachers and the like who used to say not to bank on major league baseball as a career were probably right.

  104. On Saturday Night Live whenever they have a Dominican character for a skit, they always cast African American cast members to fill these roles.

    Saturday Night Live did not yet get the memo from the Left Wing media that Dominicans are not Black. They need to start using SNL’s White cast members to play Dominicans. Dominicans are obviously not People Of Color.

  105. @bjdubbs
    Black pitchers don't want to sit in the bullpen for 4 days between starts. They could become relievers but relievers are usually failed starters, aren't they? So they'd have to become a starter first to become a reliever.

    Like Darren Oliver (son of former MLBer Bob Oliver) and Arthur Rhodes. Both Black, both left-handed. They broke in the bigs in 1993 and 1991, respectively. Both began as starters, then by the early 2000’s were LOOGYs (Lefty One-Out Guys) who were mainly brought in tight situations to get out dangerous lefty hitters. Were teammates on the 2011 Rangers, then Rhodes was traded to the cardinals and their teams met in the Series.

  106. @Honesthughgrant
    When are people going to start mocking these "Where are the blacks in baseball?" articles. Blacks make up 80% of the NBA and 66% of the NFL. Unless you think blacks are genetic supermen, its ridiculous to think 13% of the population should be over-represented in every sport.

    I notice there are very few "Where are the blacks in Tennis?" articles. I assume this is because Tennis is so international that attracting Black customers is a low priority.

    I notice there are very few “Where are the blacks in Tennis?” articles. I assume this is because Tennis is so international that attracting Black customers is a low priority.

    The dominance of the Williams sisters has been more than enough for the tennis crowd. Nobody will miss them when they’re gone.

  107. @SPMoore8
    Where are the blacks in hockey?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_NHL_players

    And per the SABR bio of Fergie Jenkins, “his mother objected to hockey after he got fourteen stitches in his head.”

  108. @Whiskey
    The idea that a 94 mph fastball and one breaking ball is all that is needed for pitching success is laughable. The minor leagues are filled with pitchers like that who are totally ineffective in the majors. Pitching in the majors is all about deception, ball placement, movement, and disrupting major league hitters rhythm. The major leagues after all are filled with players who can reliably hit a big fat meatball even at 94 mph. And on the other hand, a pitcher like Jered Weaver can get players out with a fastball in the mid 80s. If that.

    Release points, angles of flight of the ball, all of that are critically important and require constant coaching. The Pirates are fairly legendary for taking washed up pitchers and coaching the heck out of them to recalibrate their release points and control.

    Indeed you could argue that the key to pitching success is reliably repeating a deceptive release point and arm slot angle so that hitters have a hard time picking up the pitch as a fastball, curve, etc. And the ability to repeat that motion exactly over say 110 pitches a game is not very easy and requires lots of technique and practice not raw athletic talent like waking up really fast every morning.

    Right, a straight mid-90s fastball alone isn’t sufficient since hitters know when you’re throwing them in counts with 2 or 3 balls.

  109. @SPMoore8
    Where are the blacks in hockey?

    Where are the blacks in hockey?

    Nowhere to be seen.
    Reason: Racism.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    Odd case-Columbus Blue Jackets defenseman Seth Jones. His dad was an NBA player, Popeye Jones, who eventually settled in Denver after playing for the Nuggets.His mom is white. Despite having an NBA dad, he gravitated toward hockey and trained with the Avalanche, and became a 1st round pick. Was traded this season from Nashville to Columbus for Jack Johnson, who's trailer trash parents investing in nonsense bankrupted him.

    Also, arguably the best defenseman in the NHL is PK Subban, who is very black. His brother has bounced around the NHL as a backup goalie. There are others. Would guess most come from middle class intact families because hockey is a very expensive youth sport, between equipment, ice time and travel. And you need a dad to get you there and dress you beforee you know how to do it. By all accounts,PK Subban is a good guy who has donated millions of his salary to a children's hospital in Montreal.

  110. @MC
    Has anyone ever pointed out that the economics concept of "comparative advantage" applies to sports?

    For example, let's assume that blacks had the exact same natural pitching ability as whites, but have somewhat greater natural ability to steal bases and run down fly balls in the outfield. Then blacks would have an absolute advantage at playing the outfield, but whites would have a comparative advantage at pitching, because there would be less demand for their outfielding skills.

    Or lets assume that blacks have the exact same natural ability as whites at playing baseball, but MUCH greater natural ability than whites, on average, at basketball and football. Whites would then have a comparative advantage for baseball, because their skills in other sports are less in demand.

    In those cases, there would be no reason to expect baseball to have the same proportion of blacks as the general population, nor for pitching to have the same proportion of blacks as baseball on the whole.

    The best black athletes seem to have an advantage in foot-speed and jumping ability. However, there’s no reason they should be superior to whites in hand-eye coordination, upper-body strength or general intelligence.

  111. DWB says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Do pitchers require the sensational eyesight of hitters? Most can't hit at all, although Greinke can.

    No. Pitching does not require sensational – or even average – eyesight.

    The Blue Jays had a guy named Tom Henke back in the 1980s who I think could just about throw a ball through a brick wall. When he was on the mound, he looked as though he could barely see, squinting in at the catcher through coke-bottle thick lenses. He was a reliever of course, but one year, he struck out 130 guys in 90 innings pitched.

    Ryne Duren was another guy – pitched for the Yankees in the 1960s. He could barely see (and rumour had it, was often drunk on the mound as well). He struck out better than a batter per inning over his career as well.

  112. @guest
    Unz.com may have anti-semitic crackpottery, but saying it's a den of anti-semitic crackpottery implies that's all it is, or most of what it is. Which isn't true. Like if I were to call Congress a "den of thieves" you wouldn't assume I meant ten representatives and one senator cheated on their taxes. This site has more anti-semitism than that hypothetical Congress has thievery, but I'm making a point.

    People like the one that wrote that article operate on a sort of one drop rule for anti-semitism (or "anti-semitism"). One comment per neutral article doubting the Six Million or mentioning the International Joo Conspiracy is enough.

    No need to decide on the question of a “one-drop” rule here because it sure is more than one drop. Maybe 10% of the non-Steve/Razib/Frost/Derb/Cockurn content is attacks on Israel and/or Jews?

    It is actually improved from a year ago. Ron seems to have taken up the suggestion of me and several others to feature his star bloggers on the top of the homepage and sidebar links. Used to be the most prominent links were to the various deceased columnists, elderly cranks (sorry to say that now includes Paul Craig Roberts, whose writing was pretty good in the early 2000’s) and the jew-obsessed.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "No need to decide on the question of a “one-drop” rule here because it sure is more than one drop. Maybe 10% of the non-Steve/Razib/Frost/Derb/Cockurn content is attacks on Israel and/or Jews?"

    With Philip Giraldi, literally 100 percent of his blogs are about the Jews. To him it's like 98 percent of the rest of the nation do not even exist. Philip Giraldi's obsession with the Jews matches Ta-Nehisi Coates obsession with his Black body.

    Philip Giraldi could be living in Wyoming where there is like 3 Jews in the whole state and 100 percent of his blogs would still be about the Jews.

    , @SFG
    I'd say more like 15%.

    Still, I hate to say it, but they have a point. There are a lot of Jewish people in the newspapers, movie industries, and on Wall Street (newspapers and movie studios were founded by Jews without other outlets in many cases, and Jews were in banking in Europe since the Middle Ages). People tend to be affected by their background. This tends to skew media coverage in certain ways. Why are there so many more movies about the Holocaust than the Holodomor?

    Of course, there are also lots of Harvard grads, liberals, big-city dwellers, people from the Northeast, and so on. (These groups overlap.) That means that non-college grads, conservatives, small-town people, Southerners, and so on tend not to get a fair shake in the news.

    Of course, ethnonationalists tend to think ethnically. So ethnic explanations tend to get foregrounded. I think that's part of the real picture, but there's also a complex overlapping web of interests that determines who gets their way--money is a lot of it, for example. I don't agree that America's elite is entirely composed of sinister Jews trying to destroy the white race, and the hatred of the white race is way overblown as an explanation (they hate whites so much 60% of them marry them?), but if Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men in the world, they're going to hit way above their weight class. To reduce it to a simpler situation--if a committee made of George Soros and the Koch brothers makes all the big decisions, Soros is going to get a lot more of what he wants than a chicken farmer in Kansas will, even though he'll be flustered frequently.

    , @guest
    You can't go by criticizing Israel or Jews, however, because not all of those posts are anti-semitic. That's why I bring up the Holocaust, because if you question that you're anti-semitic by definition, even if you're a Jew.
    , @5371
    If you think the ludicrous "Razib" is one of Unz's star bloggers, your opinion on the matter is best ignored.
  113. @Whiskey
    The idea that a 94 mph fastball and one breaking ball is all that is needed for pitching success is laughable. The minor leagues are filled with pitchers like that who are totally ineffective in the majors. Pitching in the majors is all about deception, ball placement, movement, and disrupting major league hitters rhythm. The major leagues after all are filled with players who can reliably hit a big fat meatball even at 94 mph. And on the other hand, a pitcher like Jered Weaver can get players out with a fastball in the mid 80s. If that.

    Release points, angles of flight of the ball, all of that are critically important and require constant coaching. The Pirates are fairly legendary for taking washed up pitchers and coaching the heck out of them to recalibrate their release points and control.

    Indeed you could argue that the key to pitching success is reliably repeating a deceptive release point and arm slot angle so that hitters have a hard time picking up the pitch as a fastball, curve, etc. And the ability to repeat that motion exactly over say 110 pitches a game is not very easy and requires lots of technique and practice not raw athletic talent like waking up really fast every morning.

    “The idea that a 94 mph fastball and one breaking ball is all that is needed for pitching success is laughable. The minor leagues are filled with pitchers like that who are totally ineffective in the majors.”

    The minor leagues are not “full” of guys throwing 94 mph. Guys throwing 90 or 91, maybe. But not 94. And yes, there’s a big difference between 91 and 94.

    And I didn’t say that was “all that is needed for pitching success.” I said that, if you have a 94 mph fastball and a good breaking pitch, you’re at a point where one season of good training by professionals could teach you to the point where you could get a spot on an MLB roster. Not as a star, but a spot on the team.

    Far fewer guys can consistently hit 94 on the radar gun, and pair it with a hard slider with good late break, than you might think. A lot of guys in A ball talk like they can do it.

  114. Blacks have proportionately longer forearms, relative to their height and the overall length of the arm. Cite. Their arms also contribute more to their overall body weight. (Id). So there’s that.

  115. @Jean Cocteausten
    MLB has a physiological component just as important as height is in basketball: eyesight. It takes far better than normal eyesight to pitch and hit at the major league level. To adjust your pitches, you have to be able to see within a couple of inches where your 100-mph pitch crossed the strike zone 60 feet away. Same goes for batting. MLB players are seeing the ball with a resolution that the normal person can barely conceive of. So I wonder whether there is a genetic component to good eyesight and whether it's distributed evenly among the races.

    I’d think reaction time and general brain speed is more important than eyesight.

    The baseball itself is not hard to see, the hard part is processing the visual information that only is present for a flash. The pitcher will only see where the ball is located as it crosses by the plate for a split second, but has to remember where it crossed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/now-seeing-in-hd-bryce-harper-lays-waste-to-sally-league-pitching/2011/05/12/AF60aG1G_story.html

    On the day Bryce Harper walked into the eye doctor’s office, he was, he would say later, “blind as a bat.” Keith Smithson, the Washington Nationals’ team optometrist, asked Harper to read an eye chart, then looked at him with astonishment and said, according to Harper: “I don’t know how you ever hit before. You have some of the worst eyes I’ve ever seen.”

    That was on April 19. The next night, fitted with a new pair of contact lenses, Harper, batting just .231 at the time for the low-Class A Hagerstown Suns of the South Atlantic League, had a double and a single against the visiting Hickory Crawdads. The next night, he homered. And the night after that, he singled, doubled, homered and drove in six runs.

    “It was like I was seeing in HD,” Harper said.

    Suffice it to say Harper’s hi-def vision is a huge upgrade over standard-def. In 20 games since his visit to the eye doctor, Harper is hitting .480 (36 for 75) with a .547 on-base percentage and an .893 slugging percentage — with 7 homers, 10 doubles and 23 RBI. For the season, he is hitting .395/.473/.702, leading the league in all three “slash-line” categories.

    Oh, and lest you forgot, he’s only 18 years old, the youngest player in the “Sally” League. His next closest pursuer in OPS (on-base plus slugging), first baseman Matt Curry of the West Virginia Power, is almost 23. Harper’s classmates at Las Vegas High — the ones he left behind after sophomore year to earn his GED and enroll in a junior college in order to speed up his draft eligibility — are preparing for their senior prom.

    Harper’s offensive rampage, which includes a 16-game hitting streak that he continued Thursday night with a third-inning single against visiting Delmarva, raises two important questions:

    How did Harper become the top amateur player in the nation in 2010, as well as arguably the greatest hitting prospect in Major League Baseball draft history, when he was “blind as a bat” prior to his being fitted with contacts?

    And secondly, what in the world is he still doing here in Hagerstown?

    To the first question, Harper merely shrugs and says, “I don’t know” — apparently being too modest to tell the truth, which is: That’s just how good he was.

    “I needed [the contacts] in college,” he said. “But I tried them for a while in high school, and they gave me headaches really bad. So I just got by without them. But these are a new kind [of lenses], and they really help. The difference [in vision] is huge.”
     
    , @Anonymous
    Ted Williams had it all. He had the best eyesight ever tested by the Marine Corps, reportedly 20/10 or something, and best in various measures of coordination and visual reflexes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Williams#World_War_II

    Ted went to Jacksonville for a course in aerial gunnery, the combat pilot's payoff test, and broke all the records in reflexes, coordination, and visual-reaction time. "From what I heard. Ted could make a plane and its six 'pianos' (machine guns) play like a symphony orchestra", Pesky says. "From what they said, his reflexes, coordination, and visual reaction made him a built-in part of the machine."
     
    I think his head is still around. They should clone him and make fighter pilots and baseball players.
  116. @E. Rekshun
    it’s the only major sport that anyone can play — you don’t need to be tall or very big to play it, or excel at it.

    I was at Fenway Park South last month to see the Red Sox v. Marlins. I thought the second baseman was some young rookie because he was so short and small-statured. Of course, it was ROY, MVP, 2x World Series Champ, .300-hitter Dustin Pedroia (very generously listed at 5-7).

    Do you happen to know the shorted MLB player, and shortest star player?

  117. @Steve from Detroit
    One name jumped out at me from the Top 100 Prospects list: Justus Sheffield. I don't know if that's supposed to be another form of Justice or Just Us.

    In either event, he is the nephew of Gary Sheffield (who, I believe, is the nephew of Doc Gooden). Sheffield is one of the poster children of the steroid era. There were always accusations and, when his denials became less plausible, he finally admitted to using cream and pills. He maintained his innocence by stating something to the effect of "steroids are something you shoot in your butt."

    When it was clear the non-steroids had lost their effectiveness, the Tigers paid him his last year's salary of $14M to simply go away. When the decision was made to release him, Jim Leyland (who for some reason loved Sheffield) said it bothered him so much he "lit up two Marlboros at the same time."

    Leyland’s affinity for The Sheff (“Chef”) likely dates to 97′ when they won a World Series together with the Marlins.

  118. I object to the claim that first base is the easiest defensive position on the field. The first baseman handles the ball more than any player(other than the battery mates, of course). A skillful first baseman can make an enormous difference over a designated hitter type who finds himself stationed there only because he’s in the National League. Anyone who watched the Mets on a daily basis in 1983, as Keith Hernandez replaced Dave Kingman at first, will agree with me.

    It is true, I acknowledge, that one can play the position well despite poor foot speed (see 1983- 89 Mets). But that’s all I’ll acknowledge.

    • Replies: @Honesthughgrant

    I object to the claim that first base is the easiest defensive position on the field
     
    So which position (excluding pitcher) is easier?
    , @ScarletNumber
    I had forgotten that Kingman was the Mets first baseman for 2½ years.
    , @Marty
    You're probably aware that it was racist for the Mets to replace George Foster with Kevin Mitchell.
    , @Brutusale
    I played first base in high school and Legion at 260 lbs. You don't need foot speed, you need the quick 5-foot burst of a football offensive lineman, along with good depth perception and hand/eye.

    Even my brother, the last source for any props for me, said I saved the infielders more than a few errors.
  119. Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says: • Website

    “Why Are There So Few Black Pitchers?”

    Cuz it’s hard to see when it’s pitch black.

  120. The Phillies had a very serviceable black pitcher for a few years, Robert Pearson, who was actually their opening day starter in 2001, when he won 15 games. Interestingly, he was also a solid hitter, as his Wikipedia entry notes:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Person

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Person, not Pearson
  121. The reason blacks don’t play baseball is because what usually gets you into that sport in the first place is playing catch with your dad.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The reason blacks don’t play baseball is because what usually gets you into that sport in the first place is playing catch with your dad."

    So most Afro Latinos grow up in a 2 parent household?

    Gavin McInnes who lives in New York City has said most Latinos in his city are raised by single mothers.
  122. “Why Are There So Few Black Pitchers?”

    – You’re looking in the wrong place- google penitentiary baseball leagues.

  123. @Lot
    No need to decide on the question of a "one-drop" rule here because it sure is more than one drop. Maybe 10% of the non-Steve/Razib/Frost/Derb/Cockurn content is attacks on Israel and/or Jews?

    It is actually improved from a year ago. Ron seems to have taken up the suggestion of me and several others to feature his star bloggers on the top of the homepage and sidebar links. Used to be the most prominent links were to the various deceased columnists, elderly cranks (sorry to say that now includes Paul Craig Roberts, whose writing was pretty good in the early 2000's) and the jew-obsessed.

    “No need to decide on the question of a “one-drop” rule here because it sure is more than one drop. Maybe 10% of the non-Steve/Razib/Frost/Derb/Cockurn content is attacks on Israel and/or Jews?”

    With Philip Giraldi, literally 100 percent of his blogs are about the Jews. To him it’s like 98 percent of the rest of the nation do not even exist. Philip Giraldi’s obsession with the Jews matches Ta-Nehisi Coates obsession with his Black body.

    Philip Giraldi could be living in Wyoming where there is like 3 Jews in the whole state and 100 percent of his blogs would still be about the Jews.

  124. @SPMoore8
    Well, the first thing I would say is, don't confuse the internet with reality. To put it another way, nobody else I know uses the internet for political-cultural venting. It really has nothing to do with the price of eggs.

    As for me, this site is a handy way for me to discuss the news and political and cultural trends without the stifling conformity and shibboleth wielding you will find in most other places. It's really that simple, and it's worth the $100 I donate every quarter (it's coming, it's coming .....)

    Necons are basically very socially liberal, the only way they are "conservative" is that they like the idea of the armed services doing stuff. However, no conservative would have condoned decapitating sovereign states gratuitously. US foreign policy under GWB was nothing but neocons in the saddle, and it did a lot of damage in many, many ways. Reading between the lines, it seems clear that Cathy Young is just your typical neocon with strong socially liberal attitudes, she just doesn't write about how we have a moral obligation to invade this country, or that country, or ..... I don't think neocons really have a home outside of the Democrat party now. Watch for President Hilary to start a war, or two.

    Republicans are basically irrelevant -- speaking as one -- because the only way they've defined themselves since Nixon was in terms of traditional values. Not to say that traditional values no longer exist, but no one is willing to articulate them anymore. GOP failures to even address immigration, values issues, or the plight of the white silent majority are the reasons why Trump is popular. It has nothing to do with the alt.right as such.

    I really have no idea what will happen next.

    Good point–Trump has more to do with blue-collar white guys angry their jobs have been outsourced than 4chan. Though 4chan helps, of course.

  125. @Barnard
    It looks like most of Cathy Young's work appears on Reason, so she might not be a neo-con. Her column at The Federalist was one of the lazier, poorly researched columns I have read recently. In addition to calling VDare Steve Sailer's website, she acted like he has no interests beyond commenting on HBD.

    Looking through her archive at Reason, she wrote two columns for them on the Jackie Coakley story without mentioning Steve or Richard Bradley. Hard to say if she is just lazy or ignores the work of writers she doesn't like.

    OK, not a neocon. Though I suspect she just skimmed over the golf course articles. 😉

  126. @ganderson
    A LOT of white kids that would in the past have played baseball are now playing lacrosse. Lax is growing like crazy outside of its traditional homelands in the mid-Atlantic, Upstate New York, the NYC metro area and the prep schools. California and the Upper Midwest are particular areas of new lax interest. I was a baseball guy- I started all three out in baseball but they all moved to lacrosse, and became good enough to play in college. This commercial makes the point, with former Amherst (MA) High School, Deerfield Academy and Loyola of MD star Josh Hawkins:
  127. @Lot
    No need to decide on the question of a "one-drop" rule here because it sure is more than one drop. Maybe 10% of the non-Steve/Razib/Frost/Derb/Cockurn content is attacks on Israel and/or Jews?

    It is actually improved from a year ago. Ron seems to have taken up the suggestion of me and several others to feature his star bloggers on the top of the homepage and sidebar links. Used to be the most prominent links were to the various deceased columnists, elderly cranks (sorry to say that now includes Paul Craig Roberts, whose writing was pretty good in the early 2000's) and the jew-obsessed.

    I’d say more like 15%.

    Still, I hate to say it, but they have a point. There are a lot of Jewish people in the newspapers, movie industries, and on Wall Street (newspapers and movie studios were founded by Jews without other outlets in many cases, and Jews were in banking in Europe since the Middle Ages). People tend to be affected by their background. This tends to skew media coverage in certain ways. Why are there so many more movies about the Holocaust than the Holodomor?

    Of course, there are also lots of Harvard grads, liberals, big-city dwellers, people from the Northeast, and so on. (These groups overlap.) That means that non-college grads, conservatives, small-town people, Southerners, and so on tend not to get a fair shake in the news.

    Of course, ethnonationalists tend to think ethnically. So ethnic explanations tend to get foregrounded. I think that’s part of the real picture, but there’s also a complex overlapping web of interests that determines who gets their way–money is a lot of it, for example. I don’t agree that America’s elite is entirely composed of sinister Jews trying to destroy the white race, and the hatred of the white race is way overblown as an explanation (they hate whites so much 60% of them marry them?), but if Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men in the world, they’re going to hit way above their weight class. To reduce it to a simpler situation–if a committee made of George Soros and the Koch brothers makes all the big decisions, Soros is going to get a lot more of what he wants than a chicken farmer in Kansas will, even though he’ll be flustered frequently.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I will concede that there's a lot of rhetoric addressed against Jews and non-whites in particular on this site. However, I don't see much that rises to the level of hatred. That makes a difference to me.

    I think the idea that Jews are trying to subvert the West is nonsense. I mean, I've known a lot of Jews (a lot of blacks, too, for that matter). Maybe a couple have had the cliche'd "is it good for the Jews" mentality but most of them are just trying to live their lives, to the extent that their families will allow them. (Jewish mothers were Tiger moms avant la lettre).

    There is a lot of nepotism in fields that Jews dominate. It's not as bad as it sounds. It's really no differerent than the way ethnic catholics tend to dominate fire and police departments in the northeast.

    Jewish kids are expected to be "smart", even when they aren't. So they tend to be very good verbally because that's the easiest way to appear smart, even if you aren't. Verbal facility equals fluent writing, fluent writing means good grades and praise, good grades and praise leads to fields where you write for a living, presto, Jews are seriously over-represented in the verbal professions.

    Being Jewish, Jewish writers tend to write about things that come easily to their life experience. The whole thing we are getting now where myriad Indian and Chinese youngsters are writing "sensitive first novels" about "what it means to be Indian/Chinese/etc." was done 50-60 years ago except the authors were all Jewish boys and girls talking about what it meant to be Jewish, etc.

    Also, being Jewish, Jewish writers are going to be hung up on Israel, the Holocaust, things like that. So they write about that a lot. And everyone who isn't Jewish is exposed to it a lot. If, in fact, Jewish writers were not frequently writing about those things, and particularly Israel, non-Jews wouldn't be complaining about Israel.

    I don't think any of this is very complicated. At the same time, Jewish perceptions are not the only possible human perceptions. Non-Jews are not necessarily going to have the same attitudes towards Israel or Jewish history that Jews do. Jews have to understand this and not reflexively accuse people of anti-semitism like that uncle on Seinfeld every time some non- Jew has a different take on these things. By the same token, to upbraid any Jew who is critical of Israel (e.g., Finkelstein) by calling him an "anti-semitic crackpot" or, worse, a "self-hating Jew" is, in my opinion, just plain wrong.
    , @Stan Adams
    The problem is that Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men in the world, but white goyim are not supposed to notice that fact, let alone talk about it, let alone wonder if something can and/or should be done about it.

    Is it "good" or "bad" that Jews have disproportionately more wealth and power than any other ethnic group? "Good" or "bad" for whom? Are white goyim better off in a world where Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men? Would we better off if Jews made up only 3% of that list, or 66% of it, or 0% or 100%? How so?

    Would white goyim be better off if George Soros were a white goy who spent his money on white-goy causes? (What is a white-goy cause, anyway?)

    Would white goyim in America be better off if our government didn't give so much money to Israel? Would we be better off if our country had a border fence like Israel's?

    These are all interesting questions. Unfortunately, white goyim can't ask them, openly, in public, because a white goy who asks even one of them is branded an anti-Semite. Remember: We're not even supposed to notice that Jews have a disproportionate amount of wealth and power.

    Some Jews pursue Jewish interests, even at the expense of white goyim, and that's fine. So don't tell me that I'm wrong to want to pursue white-goy interests, even at the expense of Jews.

    Ultimately, no group "should" be in charge. White goyim don't "deserve" to rule over Jews any more than Jews "deserve" to rule over white goyim. It's a game - winner takes all.

    Jews are good at winning. One way to win is to change the rules of the game so that your opponent doesn't even know what he can do, let alone what he should do.

    White goyim can either bend over and accept losing, or they can steel themselves for a long, hard slog and try to make a few new rules of their own.

    I don't believe that Jews can (or necessarily should) be displaced from their firmly-entrenched position in the ranks of the economic, social, and political elite. But I'll be damned if someone's going to tell me that I can't even acknowledge the fact that they make up a large part of that elite.
  128. @Honesthughgrant
    When are people going to start mocking these "Where are the blacks in baseball?" articles. Blacks make up 80% of the NBA and 66% of the NFL. Unless you think blacks are genetic supermen, its ridiculous to think 13% of the population should be over-represented in every sport.

    I notice there are very few "Where are the blacks in Tennis?" articles. I assume this is because Tennis is so international that attracting Black customers is a low priority.

    The Williams sisters may have put a halt to where are the black tennis player articles, like Tiger Woods did in golf. Not that anybody cares about women’s tennis aside from the asses.

  129. @MC
    Has anyone ever pointed out that the economics concept of "comparative advantage" applies to sports?

    For example, let's assume that blacks had the exact same natural pitching ability as whites, but have somewhat greater natural ability to steal bases and run down fly balls in the outfield. Then blacks would have an absolute advantage at playing the outfield, but whites would have a comparative advantage at pitching, because there would be less demand for their outfielding skills.

    Or lets assume that blacks have the exact same natural ability as whites at playing baseball, but MUCH greater natural ability than whites, on average, at basketball and football. Whites would then have a comparative advantage for baseball, because their skills in other sports are less in demand.

    In those cases, there would be no reason to expect baseball to have the same proportion of blacks as the general population, nor for pitching to have the same proportion of blacks as baseball on the whole.

    Economics doesn’t factor into Social Justice. We must have proportional representation in absolutely everything, including baseball, position by position. Doesn’t matter if it slows your team down around the bases or more fly balls go uncaught. Do you think equality has anything to do with efficiency? Less efficiency, more black pitchers!

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Economics doesn’t factor into Social Justice. We must have proportional representation in absolutely everything, including baseball, position by position.
     
    No. Not proportional representation.

    Proportional representation OR MORE for non-whites (curiously, women and all non-racial categories are ignored), and proportional representation OR LESS for whites.
  130. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    I'd think reaction time and general brain speed is more important than eyesight.

    The baseball itself is not hard to see, the hard part is processing the visual information that only is present for a flash. The pitcher will only see where the ball is located as it crosses by the plate for a split second, but has to remember where it crossed.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/now-seeing-in-hd-bryce-harper-lays-waste-to-sally-league-pitching/2011/05/12/AF60aG1G_story.html

    On the day Bryce Harper walked into the eye doctor’s office, he was, he would say later, “blind as a bat.” Keith Smithson, the Washington Nationals’ team optometrist, asked Harper to read an eye chart, then looked at him with astonishment and said, according to Harper: “I don’t know how you ever hit before. You have some of the worst eyes I’ve ever seen.”

    That was on April 19. The next night, fitted with a new pair of contact lenses, Harper, batting just .231 at the time for the low-Class A Hagerstown Suns of the South Atlantic League, had a double and a single against the visiting Hickory Crawdads. The next night, he homered. And the night after that, he singled, doubled, homered and drove in six runs.

    “It was like I was seeing in HD,” Harper said.

    Suffice it to say Harper’s hi-def vision is a huge upgrade over standard-def. In 20 games since his visit to the eye doctor, Harper is hitting .480 (36 for 75) with a .547 on-base percentage and an .893 slugging percentage — with 7 homers, 10 doubles and 23 RBI. For the season, he is hitting .395/.473/.702, leading the league in all three “slash-line” categories.

    Oh, and lest you forgot, he’s only 18 years old, the youngest player in the “Sally” League. His next closest pursuer in OPS (on-base plus slugging), first baseman Matt Curry of the West Virginia Power, is almost 23. Harper’s classmates at Las Vegas High — the ones he left behind after sophomore year to earn his GED and enroll in a junior college in order to speed up his draft eligibility — are preparing for their senior prom.

    Harper’s offensive rampage, which includes a 16-game hitting streak that he continued Thursday night with a third-inning single against visiting Delmarva, raises two important questions:

    How did Harper become the top amateur player in the nation in 2010, as well as arguably the greatest hitting prospect in Major League Baseball draft history, when he was “blind as a bat” prior to his being fitted with contacts?

    And secondly, what in the world is he still doing here in Hagerstown?

    To the first question, Harper merely shrugs and says, “I don’t know” — apparently being too modest to tell the truth, which is: That’s just how good he was.

    “I needed [the contacts] in college,” he said. “But I tried them for a while in high school, and they gave me headaches really bad. So I just got by without them. But these are a new kind [of lenses], and they really help. The difference [in vision] is huge.”

  131. @guest
    Unz.com may have anti-semitic crackpottery, but saying it's a den of anti-semitic crackpottery implies that's all it is, or most of what it is. Which isn't true. Like if I were to call Congress a "den of thieves" you wouldn't assume I meant ten representatives and one senator cheated on their taxes. This site has more anti-semitism than that hypothetical Congress has thievery, but I'm making a point.

    People like the one that wrote that article operate on a sort of one drop rule for anti-semitism (or "anti-semitism"). One comment per neutral article doubting the Six Million or mentioning the International Joo Conspiracy is enough.

    A lot, perhaps most, of the articles seem to attract anti-Semitic crackpots into the comment threads, even for articles that have little or nothing to do with Jews. So in that sense it could be argued that it’s a den of anti-Semitic crackpottery.

  132. I skimmed this and did not see the real reason nearly all pitchers are white: pitching takes intelligence.

  133. @Lot
    No need to decide on the question of a "one-drop" rule here because it sure is more than one drop. Maybe 10% of the non-Steve/Razib/Frost/Derb/Cockurn content is attacks on Israel and/or Jews?

    It is actually improved from a year ago. Ron seems to have taken up the suggestion of me and several others to feature his star bloggers on the top of the homepage and sidebar links. Used to be the most prominent links were to the various deceased columnists, elderly cranks (sorry to say that now includes Paul Craig Roberts, whose writing was pretty good in the early 2000's) and the jew-obsessed.

    You can’t go by criticizing Israel or Jews, however, because not all of those posts are anti-semitic. That’s why I bring up the Holocaust, because if you question that you’re anti-semitic by definition, even if you’re a Jew.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    What other explanation is there for denying something that 100% of legitimate historians accept? The only other one that I can think of is that you are some kind of flat-earth crank, the kind of person who thinks that the moon landings were faked too, but 99 times out of 100, Holocaust deniers couple that to some sort of anti-Jewish animus if you question them further. Their usual explanation is that the Jews faked the Holocaust to gain sympathy or money, etc. If that's not anti-Semitism, then I don't know what is.
    , @ben tillman

    You can’t go by criticizing Israel or Jews, however, because not all of those posts are anti-semitic. That’s why I bring up the Holocaust, because if you question that you’re anti-semitic by definition, even if you’re a Jew.
     
    "That"? What do you mean by "that"? What is "The Holocaust"?

    The Holocaust is not a fact. Instead, it encompasses a countless number of facts, and no one knows exactly what all those facts are. The notion that questioning your own idiosyncratic notion of those facts is "anti-semitic" (by the standard definition) is ludicrous.
  134. @Lot
    Unz.com has a lot of great content: Steve Razib Frost and Derb. It is also a den of antisemetic crackpottery. The nice thing about being rich and a talented programmer is you can do whatever you want online!

    Say, Lot, I wonder if you would expand a little on your comment. A den of antisemitic crackpottery—that’s quite a claim! Are you referring to any of the principal authors collected here? (And if so, who?) Is it the folks in the peanut gallery? (And if so, who?) And just what do you mean by antisemitic crackpottery?

    • Replies: @Lot
    Giraldi, the Saker, the various commentors who do the ((())) thing and link to holocaust denial forums.
  135. @JohnPaulBarber
    The reason blacks don't play baseball is because what usually gets you into that sport in the first place is playing catch with your dad.

    “The reason blacks don’t play baseball is because what usually gets you into that sport in the first place is playing catch with your dad.”

    So most Afro Latinos grow up in a 2 parent household?

    Gavin McInnes who lives in New York City has said most Latinos in his city are raised by single mothers.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    Gavin McInnes who lives in New York City has said most Latinos in his city are raised by single mothers.
     
    I don't think the flood of Latin players are coming out of New York City. I think they are coming out of Latin America. Perhaps the family structure differs in DR, Venezuela and even among island Puerto Ricans.
  136. @SFG
    I'd say more like 15%.

    Still, I hate to say it, but they have a point. There are a lot of Jewish people in the newspapers, movie industries, and on Wall Street (newspapers and movie studios were founded by Jews without other outlets in many cases, and Jews were in banking in Europe since the Middle Ages). People tend to be affected by their background. This tends to skew media coverage in certain ways. Why are there so many more movies about the Holocaust than the Holodomor?

    Of course, there are also lots of Harvard grads, liberals, big-city dwellers, people from the Northeast, and so on. (These groups overlap.) That means that non-college grads, conservatives, small-town people, Southerners, and so on tend not to get a fair shake in the news.

    Of course, ethnonationalists tend to think ethnically. So ethnic explanations tend to get foregrounded. I think that's part of the real picture, but there's also a complex overlapping web of interests that determines who gets their way--money is a lot of it, for example. I don't agree that America's elite is entirely composed of sinister Jews trying to destroy the white race, and the hatred of the white race is way overblown as an explanation (they hate whites so much 60% of them marry them?), but if Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men in the world, they're going to hit way above their weight class. To reduce it to a simpler situation--if a committee made of George Soros and the Koch brothers makes all the big decisions, Soros is going to get a lot more of what he wants than a chicken farmer in Kansas will, even though he'll be flustered frequently.

    I will concede that there’s a lot of rhetoric addressed against Jews and non-whites in particular on this site. However, I don’t see much that rises to the level of hatred. That makes a difference to me.

    I think the idea that Jews are trying to subvert the West is nonsense. I mean, I’ve known a lot of Jews (a lot of blacks, too, for that matter). Maybe a couple have had the cliche’d “is it good for the Jews” mentality but most of them are just trying to live their lives, to the extent that their families will allow them. (Jewish mothers were Tiger moms avant la lettre).

    There is a lot of nepotism in fields that Jews dominate. It’s not as bad as it sounds. It’s really no differerent than the way ethnic catholics tend to dominate fire and police departments in the northeast.

    Jewish kids are expected to be “smart”, even when they aren’t. So they tend to be very good verbally because that’s the easiest way to appear smart, even if you aren’t. Verbal facility equals fluent writing, fluent writing means good grades and praise, good grades and praise leads to fields where you write for a living, presto, Jews are seriously over-represented in the verbal professions.

    Being Jewish, Jewish writers tend to write about things that come easily to their life experience. The whole thing we are getting now where myriad Indian and Chinese youngsters are writing “sensitive first novels” about “what it means to be Indian/Chinese/etc.” was done 50-60 years ago except the authors were all Jewish boys and girls talking about what it meant to be Jewish, etc.

    Also, being Jewish, Jewish writers are going to be hung up on Israel, the Holocaust, things like that. So they write about that a lot. And everyone who isn’t Jewish is exposed to it a lot. If, in fact, Jewish writers were not frequently writing about those things, and particularly Israel, non-Jews wouldn’t be complaining about Israel.

    I don’t think any of this is very complicated. At the same time, Jewish perceptions are not the only possible human perceptions. Non-Jews are not necessarily going to have the same attitudes towards Israel or Jewish history that Jews do. Jews have to understand this and not reflexively accuse people of anti-semitism like that uncle on Seinfeld every time some non- Jew has a different take on these things. By the same token, to upbraid any Jew who is critical of Israel (e.g., Finkelstein) by calling him an “anti-semitic crackpot” or, worse, a “self-hating Jew” is, in my opinion, just plain wrong.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Silber
    ...I don't see much [rhetoric against Jews and non-whites] that rises to the level of hatred.

    And if it did, what of it? Why is the emotion of hate, and its expression, considered beyond the pale--that is, at least for so-called Conservatives: Social Justice Warriors are full of hate and give full vent to the emotion.
  137. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    I'd think reaction time and general brain speed is more important than eyesight.

    The baseball itself is not hard to see, the hard part is processing the visual information that only is present for a flash. The pitcher will only see where the ball is located as it crosses by the plate for a split second, but has to remember where it crossed.

    Ted Williams had it all. He had the best eyesight ever tested by the Marine Corps, reportedly 20/10 or something, and best in various measures of coordination and visual reflexes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Williams#World_War_II

    Ted went to Jacksonville for a course in aerial gunnery, the combat pilot’s payoff test, and broke all the records in reflexes, coordination, and visual-reaction time. “From what I heard. Ted could make a plane and its six ‘pianos’ (machine guns) play like a symphony orchestra”, Pesky says. “From what they said, his reflexes, coordination, and visual reaction made him a built-in part of the machine.”

    I think his head is still around. They should clone him and make fighter pilots and baseball players.

  138. @Honesthughgrant

    Where are the blacks in hockey?
     
    Nowhere to be seen.
    Reason: Racism.

    Odd case-Columbus Blue Jackets defenseman Seth Jones. His dad was an NBA player, Popeye Jones, who eventually settled in Denver after playing for the Nuggets.His mom is white. Despite having an NBA dad, he gravitated toward hockey and trained with the Avalanche, and became a 1st round pick. Was traded this season from Nashville to Columbus for Jack Johnson, who’s trailer trash parents investing in nonsense bankrupted him.

    Also, arguably the best defenseman in the NHL is PK Subban, who is very black. His brother has bounced around the NHL as a backup goalie. There are others. Would guess most come from middle class intact families because hockey is a very expensive youth sport, between equipment, ice time and travel. And you need a dad to get you there and dress you beforee you know how to do it. By all accounts,PK Subban is a good guy who has donated millions of his salary to a children’s hospital in Montreal.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    This is interesting but I checked the percentage and it says that the black percentage of hockey players is 2.7%. If that percentage held in any other sport SJW journalists would be dropping dead from apoplexy left and right.
    , @Brutusale
    PK Subban is a symbol of everything wrong with the NHL today. Talented kid, but constantly yapping them running away.

    I would be real money that, shortly before he retires, Zdeno Chara is going to punch Subban's lights out.
  139. @I, Libertine
    I object to the claim that first base is the easiest defensive position on the field. The first baseman handles the ball more than any player(other than the battery mates, of course). A skillful first baseman can make an enormous difference over a designated hitter type who finds himself stationed there only because he's in the National League. Anyone who watched the Mets on a daily basis in 1983, as Keith Hernandez replaced Dave Kingman at first, will agree with me.

    It is true, I acknowledge, that one can play the position well despite poor foot speed (see 1983- 89 Mets). But that's all I'll acknowledge.

    I object to the claim that first base is the easiest defensive position on the field

    So which position (excluding pitcher) is easier?

    • Replies: @SonOfStrom
    The weakest defensive fielders are typically shielded in Right Field.
  140. @Bugg
    Odd case-Columbus Blue Jackets defenseman Seth Jones. His dad was an NBA player, Popeye Jones, who eventually settled in Denver after playing for the Nuggets.His mom is white. Despite having an NBA dad, he gravitated toward hockey and trained with the Avalanche, and became a 1st round pick. Was traded this season from Nashville to Columbus for Jack Johnson, who's trailer trash parents investing in nonsense bankrupted him.

    Also, arguably the best defenseman in the NHL is PK Subban, who is very black. His brother has bounced around the NHL as a backup goalie. There are others. Would guess most come from middle class intact families because hockey is a very expensive youth sport, between equipment, ice time and travel. And you need a dad to get you there and dress you beforee you know how to do it. By all accounts,PK Subban is a good guy who has donated millions of his salary to a children's hospital in Montreal.

    This is interesting but I checked the percentage and it says that the black percentage of hockey players is 2.7%. If that percentage held in any other sport SJW journalists would be dropping dead from apoplexy left and right.

  141. OT: great idea for a t-shirt..
    Build the wall so we don’t have to hear anymore fuckin leafblowers’

  142. African Americans aren’t playing baseball, especially in the minor leagues, because no matter how good an athlete you are, success is far from assured. Whereas football and basketball success pretty much is…..

  143. @Honesthughgrant

    I object to the claim that first base is the easiest defensive position on the field
     
    So which position (excluding pitcher) is easier?

    The weakest defensive fielders are typically shielded in Right Field.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    So that's why I spent my little league career in right field!
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    The weakest defensive fielders are typically shielded in Right Field.

     

    Yes, in general, but not at the major league level. In the big leagues, the right fielder will see plenty of balls hit to him, due to the high number of left-handed pull hitters, plus he needs to be able to make the difficult right-field-to-third-base throws. Left field is therefore where the worst MLB fielders are usually stashed, along with 1st base, and of course DH in the AL.
    , @Truth
    You play right field if you can throw but can run, left field if you can run but can't throw and center field if you can do both.
  144. @Steve Sailer
    Do pitchers require the sensational eyesight of hitters? Most can't hit at all, although Greinke can.

    Steve, I offered this on the post about younger baseball players doing so well…what is the effect of contact lenses? In my youth I never saw a baseball player, batter or pitcher wearing glasses, but it is impossible to believe they all had perfect vision. I would think that many had less than perfect eye sight but choose not to wear glasses because that you make you look weak or deficient. Today contacts are cheap and efficient, and no one knows you are wearing them. Just a thought.

  145. @SPMoore8
    Where are the blacks in hockey?

    SPMoore, probably a dozen in the NFL now including PK Subbran of Montreal, a true All Star and Evander Kane of the Sabres, named after Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson’s favorite in fight snack food.

  146. @Jefferson
    "The reason blacks don’t play baseball is because what usually gets you into that sport in the first place is playing catch with your dad."

    So most Afro Latinos grow up in a 2 parent household?

    Gavin McInnes who lives in New York City has said most Latinos in his city are raised by single mothers.

    Gavin McInnes who lives in New York City has said most Latinos in his city are raised by single mothers.

    I don’t think the flood of Latin players are coming out of New York City. I think they are coming out of Latin America. Perhaps the family structure differs in DR, Venezuela and even among island Puerto Ricans.

  147. @Honesthughgrant
    When are people going to start mocking these "Where are the blacks in baseball?" articles. Blacks make up 80% of the NBA and 66% of the NFL. Unless you think blacks are genetic supermen, its ridiculous to think 13% of the population should be over-represented in every sport.

    I notice there are very few "Where are the blacks in Tennis?" articles. I assume this is because Tennis is so international that attracting Black customers is a low priority.

    Unless you think blacks are genetic supermen, its ridiculous to think 13% of the population should be over-represented in every sport.

    Don’t discount the possibility that the people complaining about the lack of blacks in baseball are innumerate and don’t realize blacks are just 13 percent of the population.

    Recall that Steve has done some posts about liberals complaining that too many black and hispanic children attend segregated schools while they cheer the fact that black and hispanic kids will become the majority of students. All the while they seem oblivious to the fact that the supply of white kids is dwindling so there aren’t enough white kids left to allow black and hispanic children to attend integrated schools.

    Likewise those complaining about the dearth of black baseball players don’t seem to understand that if a group makes up 13 percent of the population and already provides 80 percent of NBA and NFL players, they might not have enough talent left over to also supply 80 percent of MLB.

  148. @DCThrowback
    Time to turn kids onto the unbelievable excitement of Wiffle-ball imo. All you need is a bat, some balls and lawn chair.

    Time to turn kids onto the unbelievable excitement of Wiffle-ball imo. All you need is a bat, some balls and lawn chair.

    Usually a twelve-pack as well, perhaps even a dugout.

    • Agree: EriK
  149. @SonOfStrom
    The weakest defensive fielders are typically shielded in Right Field.

    So that’s why I spent my little league career in right field!

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I'd have figured, giving your height, you'd have been given a chance at first base.

    Anyone who has played baseball for any amount of time and say they never played right field has some talent.
  150. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Roger Kahn’s book about pitching was titled “The Head Game.” Baseball players aren’t exactly geniuses, but pitching is by far the most mentally demanding role in the game.

    I thought everybody knew that, so it’s funny that the article doesn’t even mention that angle. I always wonder – has P.C. advanced to a state where the writer didn’t even think of it, or did the writer have that in the back of his mind the whole time and avoided mentioning it just to needle and suss out the thought criminals who might be tempted to point it out?

    (If it were in the New York Times, I’d figure the latter. USA Today, maybe the former.)

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Of course the writer was afraid of the PC Police.

    Also, Mike Mussina was a genius.
  151. OT: The first fair Trump article I’ve seen come from Murdoch’s news.com.au.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/some-of-my-best-friends-are-trump-supporters/news-story/ce4819d769091d44a18177e66460c625

    I think it must be a trap.

  152. • Replies: @epebble
    Jody-Anne Maxwell, a Jamaican, won Spelling Bee in 1998 by spelling "chiaroscurist"

    http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/30/nyregion/spelling-champion-for-all-jamaicans-12-year-old-kingston-hero-for-winning.html

    BTW, Sir William Arthur Lewis of Saint Lucia won the 1979 economics Nobel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Arthur_Lewis

    But, I agree with your general argument if you limit your hypothesis to "African American" instead of black.
    , @Triumph104
    She didn't win a medal, but Augusta Uwamanzu-Nna, whose parents are Igbo-Nigerian, was an Intel finalist this year. She made the news for getting into all 8 Ivy League colleges.

    A year earlier, another Igbo-Nigerian from her high school got into all 8 Ivies, Harold Ekeh. He was an Intel semi-finalist.

    We are going to see blacks win prestigious awards, they just won't be the descendants of American slaves. The first black chess grandmaster is Jamaican-American, etc., etc..
  153. @guest
    You can't go by criticizing Israel or Jews, however, because not all of those posts are anti-semitic. That's why I bring up the Holocaust, because if you question that you're anti-semitic by definition, even if you're a Jew.

    What other explanation is there for denying something that 100% of legitimate historians accept? The only other one that I can think of is that you are some kind of flat-earth crank, the kind of person who thinks that the moon landings were faked too, but 99 times out of 100, Holocaust deniers couple that to some sort of anti-Jewish animus if you question them further. Their usual explanation is that the Jews faked the Holocaust to gain sympathy or money, etc. If that’s not anti-Semitism, then I don’t know what is.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Ahhh, the No True Scotsman fallacy.
    , @guest
    Say what you will about the crackpot part, but the assumption of anti-semitism is just namecalling.
  154. @guest
    Unz.com may have anti-semitic crackpottery, but saying it's a den of anti-semitic crackpottery implies that's all it is, or most of what it is. Which isn't true. Like if I were to call Congress a "den of thieves" you wouldn't assume I meant ten representatives and one senator cheated on their taxes. This site has more anti-semitism than that hypothetical Congress has thievery, but I'm making a point.

    People like the one that wrote that article operate on a sort of one drop rule for anti-semitism (or "anti-semitism"). One comment per neutral article doubting the Six Million or mentioning the International Joo Conspiracy is enough.

    If a soft drink contained only 10% feces, or even 1%, would you buy it? The usual level of tolerance in the rest of American society for public anti-Semitism is zero, so even a little bit of anti-Semitism is shocking to see. It’s unfortunate because it de-legitimizes the rest of Steve’s work that doesn’t deserve to be de-legitimized in the mainstream. It’s a tough problem, because you want to be for free speech and you don’t want to adopt the McCarthyite tactics of the left where no deviation from the Party line in any matter larger or small is permitted on pain of losing your job (and Steve is not responsible for the view of his commenters) but if your biggest fans are raving anti-Semites then you may have a problem.

    • Replies: @guest
    I'm not shocked by anti-semitism. I also cannot understand people who need trigger warnings. Growing up with a rightist bent in a leftist world left me no choice but to be bombarded all day by stuff with which I violently disagreed, right on through college. Now I can pick and choose what I'm exposed to, to a certain degree, and I've lost the violent part. It doesn't bother me like it once did.

    That's calumny on McCarthy, by the way.

    , @5371
    Substitute "racism" for "anti-Semitism" and "racist" for "anti-Semite" in your comment, and you will have the perfect justification for deleting all your own comments and indeed shutting all the comments down, and the posts as well. So the combination of malice and stupidity in this comment of yours is rather shocking.
  155. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Jack D
    What other explanation is there for denying something that 100% of legitimate historians accept? The only other one that I can think of is that you are some kind of flat-earth crank, the kind of person who thinks that the moon landings were faked too, but 99 times out of 100, Holocaust deniers couple that to some sort of anti-Jewish animus if you question them further. Their usual explanation is that the Jews faked the Holocaust to gain sympathy or money, etc. If that's not anti-Semitism, then I don't know what is.

    Ahhh, the No True Scotsman fallacy.

  156. @SonOfStrom
    The weakest defensive fielders are typically shielded in Right Field.

    The weakest defensive fielders are typically shielded in Right Field.

    Yes, in general, but not at the major league level. In the big leagues, the right fielder will see plenty of balls hit to him, due to the high number of left-handed pull hitters, plus he needs to be able to make the difficult right-field-to-third-base throws. Left field is therefore where the worst MLB fielders are usually stashed, along with 1st base, and of course DH in the AL.

  157. One other demand on pitchers is that, like golfers, they are ‘initiators’: they must initiate game action from a resting status. This requires concentration of a particular sort that must be maintained throughout many innings, if the pitcher is a starter. Almost all other baseball skills are reactive, i.e. players just stay alert and then react to another event, whether it’s trying to hit a pitched ball, field a batted ball, etc., although stealing bases is a combination of reaction and initiation.

    This to me is one reason the QB position in football is so difficult: a quality QB has to be reacting (to defenders trying to reduce him to jelly) while simultaneously being an initiator, i.e. making choices about whom to throw to, and then initiating and executing that thowing motion. Not at all easy.

  158. @Jack D
    What other explanation is there for denying something that 100% of legitimate historians accept? The only other one that I can think of is that you are some kind of flat-earth crank, the kind of person who thinks that the moon landings were faked too, but 99 times out of 100, Holocaust deniers couple that to some sort of anti-Jewish animus if you question them further. Their usual explanation is that the Jews faked the Holocaust to gain sympathy or money, etc. If that's not anti-Semitism, then I don't know what is.

    Say what you will about the crackpot part, but the assumption of anti-semitism is just namecalling.

  159. @Jack D
    If a soft drink contained only 10% feces, or even 1%, would you buy it? The usual level of tolerance in the rest of American society for public anti-Semitism is zero, so even a little bit of anti-Semitism is shocking to see. It's unfortunate because it de-legitimizes the rest of Steve's work that doesn't deserve to be de-legitimized in the mainstream. It's a tough problem, because you want to be for free speech and you don't want to adopt the McCarthyite tactics of the left where no deviation from the Party line in any matter larger or small is permitted on pain of losing your job (and Steve is not responsible for the view of his commenters) but if your biggest fans are raving anti-Semites then you may have a problem.

    I’m not shocked by anti-semitism. I also cannot understand people who need trigger warnings. Growing up with a rightist bent in a leftist world left me no choice but to be bombarded all day by stuff with which I violently disagreed, right on through college. Now I can pick and choose what I’m exposed to, to a certain degree, and I’ve lost the violent part. It doesn’t bother me like it once did.

    That’s calumny on McCarthy, by the way.

  160. Jack D, I take it that you want Steve to ban anti-Semitic comments.

    Furthermore, you will define what is anti-Semitic and what is allowed.

    Am I wrong, Jack D?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's his forum. It says "Comments are moderated by Steve Sailer, at whim." And I gather in fact that he does censor some of the more virulent comments because I see people complaining from time to time. He can do whatever he want but, as I said before, he (and HBD) will never have mainstream legitimacy if he/it is associated in the popular mind with Antisemitism. Why make it easy on your enemies?
  161. From your top twenty you show David Price who is half white. So even less so.

    David Price also went to Vanderbilt, so he’s not exactly representative of the black population in the U.S.

    David Price went to Blackman High School in Murfreesboro, TN.

  162. @Jack D
    If a soft drink contained only 10% feces, or even 1%, would you buy it? The usual level of tolerance in the rest of American society for public anti-Semitism is zero, so even a little bit of anti-Semitism is shocking to see. It's unfortunate because it de-legitimizes the rest of Steve's work that doesn't deserve to be de-legitimized in the mainstream. It's a tough problem, because you want to be for free speech and you don't want to adopt the McCarthyite tactics of the left where no deviation from the Party line in any matter larger or small is permitted on pain of losing your job (and Steve is not responsible for the view of his commenters) but if your biggest fans are raving anti-Semites then you may have a problem.

    Substitute “racism” for “anti-Semitism” and “racist” for “anti-Semite” in your comment, and you will have the perfect justification for deleting all your own comments and indeed shutting all the comments down, and the posts as well. So the combination of malice and stupidity in this comment of yours is rather shocking.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I am against both anti-Semitism and racism of any kind. What we have in our society now vis-a-vis NAMs is not racism, it is the opposite. Racism is when you refuse to let Feynman into your university despite the fact that he is a genius. "Affirmative action" (STILL racism, just reversed) is when you let Genius T. Coates into your university despite the fact that he is an idiot. Both are wrong.
  163. @Lot
    No need to decide on the question of a "one-drop" rule here because it sure is more than one drop. Maybe 10% of the non-Steve/Razib/Frost/Derb/Cockurn content is attacks on Israel and/or Jews?

    It is actually improved from a year ago. Ron seems to have taken up the suggestion of me and several others to feature his star bloggers on the top of the homepage and sidebar links. Used to be the most prominent links were to the various deceased columnists, elderly cranks (sorry to say that now includes Paul Craig Roberts, whose writing was pretty good in the early 2000's) and the jew-obsessed.

    If you think the ludicrous “Razib” is one of Unz’s star bloggers, your opinion on the matter is best ignored.

  164. There are also few decent black fast bowlers in cricket now. All the decent ones now are white or Pakistani. At one stage the West Indies could field three to four 90 mph fast bowlers but are now lucky to be able to field one who can bowl over 85mph. These days they all seem to be going into soccer, sprinting or American basketball.

  165. @Anonymous
    John Stockton has huge hands, which presumably contributed to his point guard skills. They are apparently comparable to or even larger than 7'4" Mark Eaton's hands:

    http://rockmonster.blogs.deseretnews.com/2014/02/21/manziel-its-all-in-the-hands/

    More interesting is that John Stockton had abnormally large hands and could thus throw 1-hand passes off the dribble with amazing accuracy. I once asked him to measure his hands against mine, which are fairly big. Stockton’s were far bigger. I then asked him to measure his hand with 7-foot-4 Mark Eaton’s. Stockton’s hands were as large or larger than Eaton’s.

    I noticed at the BYU game Thursday night that Stockton’s son David, a guard at Gonzaga, inherited the same big hands.
     

    JJ Watt has the same physiological peculiarity (even for a man of his height).

  166. “…There have been black superstar pitchers from Latin America, such as Juan Marichal, Luis Tiant, Pedro Martinez, Mariano Rivera but they aren’t counted as black for the purposes of writing articles about baseball’s Black Lack…”

    Juan Marichal isn’t counted as black because he is not black.

  167. @The Z Blog
    This is one of those myths that will not die. http://sbrnet.com/Blog/July-2015/Youth-Sports-Participation-Declines-Significantly.aspx

    Baseball remains about as popular with whom it will always be popular. It's never going to be a ghetto sport. Basketball is cheap and easy to run so it will always be the go-to organized activity for urban areas. Plus you have the demographics.

    The sport in long term trouble is football. The long term liabilities are similar to what the tobacco industry faced. The concussion issue is already hitting youth football and that's going to accelerate in the next decade. Then there is the fact Hispanics don't play football. They will gravitate to baseball and soccer, hoping to emulate whites.

    Football is where boxing was in the 1970's.

    The proliferation of charter schools is playing a part in football’s demise. Many charter schools are too small to field a football team much less be competitive. Deion Sanders tried to run sports-themed charter schools but as you can imagine that didn’t go over too well with traditional Texas high schools that were losing their talent.

    The NCAA just banned satellite camps. Coaches from other conferences were “guests” at camps in the SEC and using the opportunity to scout. Now coaches have to hold camps at their own facilities where the high school talent might be thin.

    Radiolab did a show on football and said that with the exception of lacrosse and hockey, there was a decline in youth participation in all sports. The reporter spoke to several coaches in different states and nearly all said that a child’s ability to restart a video game every time they are losing made sports unappealing since they can’t hit restart if they are losing an athletic event.

    http://www.radiolab.org/story/football/

    Hispanics don’t play football. They will gravitate to baseball and soccer, hoping to emulate whites

    They will attempt to go into baseball and soccer to emulate the numerous professional Hispanic players, not whites.

  168. @SFG
    I'd say more like 15%.

    Still, I hate to say it, but they have a point. There are a lot of Jewish people in the newspapers, movie industries, and on Wall Street (newspapers and movie studios were founded by Jews without other outlets in many cases, and Jews were in banking in Europe since the Middle Ages). People tend to be affected by their background. This tends to skew media coverage in certain ways. Why are there so many more movies about the Holocaust than the Holodomor?

    Of course, there are also lots of Harvard grads, liberals, big-city dwellers, people from the Northeast, and so on. (These groups overlap.) That means that non-college grads, conservatives, small-town people, Southerners, and so on tend not to get a fair shake in the news.

    Of course, ethnonationalists tend to think ethnically. So ethnic explanations tend to get foregrounded. I think that's part of the real picture, but there's also a complex overlapping web of interests that determines who gets their way--money is a lot of it, for example. I don't agree that America's elite is entirely composed of sinister Jews trying to destroy the white race, and the hatred of the white race is way overblown as an explanation (they hate whites so much 60% of them marry them?), but if Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men in the world, they're going to hit way above their weight class. To reduce it to a simpler situation--if a committee made of George Soros and the Koch brothers makes all the big decisions, Soros is going to get a lot more of what he wants than a chicken farmer in Kansas will, even though he'll be flustered frequently.

    The problem is that Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men in the world, but white goyim are not supposed to notice that fact, let alone talk about it, let alone wonder if something can and/or should be done about it.

    Is it “good” or “bad” that Jews have disproportionately more wealth and power than any other ethnic group? “Good” or “bad” for whom? Are white goyim better off in a world where Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men? Would we better off if Jews made up only 3% of that list, or 66% of it, or 0% or 100%? How so?

    Would white goyim be better off if George Soros were a white goy who spent his money on white-goy causes? (What is a white-goy cause, anyway?)

    Would white goyim in America be better off if our government didn’t give so much money to Israel? Would we be better off if our country had a border fence like Israel’s?

    These are all interesting questions. Unfortunately, white goyim can’t ask them, openly, in public, because a white goy who asks even one of them is branded an anti-Semite. Remember: We’re not even supposed to notice that Jews have a disproportionate amount of wealth and power.

    Some Jews pursue Jewish interests, even at the expense of white goyim, and that’s fine. So don’t tell me that I’m wrong to want to pursue white-goy interests, even at the expense of Jews.

    Ultimately, no group “should” be in charge. White goyim don’t “deserve” to rule over Jews any more than Jews “deserve” to rule over white goyim. It’s a game – winner takes all.

    Jews are good at winning. One way to win is to change the rules of the game so that your opponent doesn’t even know what he can do, let alone what he should do.

    White goyim can either bend over and accept losing, or they can steel themselves for a long, hard slog and try to make a few new rules of their own.

    I don’t believe that Jews can (or necessarily should) be displaced from their firmly-entrenched position in the ranks of the economic, social, and political elite. But I’ll be damned if someone’s going to tell me that I can’t even acknowledge the fact that they make up a large part of that elite.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The problem is that Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men in the world, but white goyim"

    I don't even say White Goyim, I just say Goyim because the term Goyim alone automatically means White people who are not Jewish. Nobody is including Tongans and Haitians in the definition of Goyim. Adding White to Goyim is just redundant.

    If a Black person murders a Non Jewish White person, nobody says it is Goyim on Goyim violence.

  169. @Buffalo Joe
    Clyde, In baseball Quarterback=Catcher.

    Then how come pitchers are paid lots more? The catcher merely suggests to the man in charge who is the pitcher. Who is throwing the balls and strikeouts. Catcher is a bit like a professional golf caddy.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It depends.

    One issue is that pitchers don't have a hand free to signal the catcher what pitch they are going to throw him. The pitcher has a glove on one hand and he's hold the ball with the other hand. So, the catcher typically signals a proposed pitch to the pitcher with the fingers of his bare right hand (all MLB catchers for decades have been right handed) between his legs, which before TV could only be seen by a runner on second or a spy in the center field stands, and the pitcher can shake his head no.

    Pitchers can call their pitches to the catcher -- Greg Maddux called most of his pitches, signalling his catcher by touching his cap or by how he held his hand or whatever. But it's a little risky because it's in full view of the batter and the opposing dugout.

    Catchers tend to be overrepresented among managers, pitchers underrepresented. It's not like football where quarterbacks are most likely to become coaches.

    My guess is that pitchers are just supposed to concentrate on pitching and pay little attention to batting, fielding, and baserunning. So they are less likely to be seen as a natural for a job above pitching coach.

    , @Steve Sailer
    It depends.

    One issue is that pitchers don't have a hand free to signal the catcher what pitch they are going to throw him. The pitcher has a glove on one hand and he's hold the ball with the other hand. So, the catcher typically signals a proposed pitch to the pitcher with the fingers of his bare right hand (all MLB catchers for decades have been right handed) between his legs, which before TV could only be seen by a runner on second or a spy in the center field stands, and the pitcher can shake his head no.

    Pitchers can call their pitches to the catcher -- Greg Maddux called most of his pitches, signalling his catcher by touching his cap or by how he held his hand or whatever. But it's a little risky because it's in full view of the batter and the opposing dugout.

    Catchers tend to be overrepresented among managers, pitchers underrepresented. It's not like football where quarterbacks are most likely to become coaches.

    My guess is that pitchers are just supposed to concentrate on pitching and pay little attention to batting, fielding, and baserunning. So they are less likely to be seen as a natural for a job above pitching coach.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Clyde, The catcher also sets the infielders and the outfielders, that is moves them to the left or right and in a bit or out a bit. So, the catcher actually "calls" the game.
  170. @Clyde
    Then how come pitchers are paid lots more? The catcher merely suggests to the man in charge who is the pitcher. Who is throwing the balls and strikeouts. Catcher is a bit like a professional golf caddy.

    It depends.

    One issue is that pitchers don’t have a hand free to signal the catcher what pitch they are going to throw him. The pitcher has a glove on one hand and he’s hold the ball with the other hand. So, the catcher typically signals a proposed pitch to the pitcher with the fingers of his bare right hand (all MLB catchers for decades have been right handed) between his legs, which before TV could only be seen by a runner on second or a spy in the center field stands, and the pitcher can shake his head no.

    Pitchers can call their pitches to the catcher — Greg Maddux called most of his pitches, signalling his catcher by touching his cap or by how he held his hand or whatever. But it’s a little risky because it’s in full view of the batter and the opposing dugout.

    Catchers tend to be overrepresented among managers, pitchers underrepresented. It’s not like football where quarterbacks are most likely to become coaches.

    My guess is that pitchers are just supposed to concentrate on pitching and pay little attention to batting, fielding, and baserunning. So they are less likely to be seen as a natural for a job above pitching coach.

  171. @Clyde
    Then how come pitchers are paid lots more? The catcher merely suggests to the man in charge who is the pitcher. Who is throwing the balls and strikeouts. Catcher is a bit like a professional golf caddy.

    It depends.

    One issue is that pitchers don’t have a hand free to signal the catcher what pitch they are going to throw him. The pitcher has a glove on one hand and he’s hold the ball with the other hand. So, the catcher typically signals a proposed pitch to the pitcher with the fingers of his bare right hand (all MLB catchers for decades have been right handed) between his legs, which before TV could only be seen by a runner on second or a spy in the center field stands, and the pitcher can shake his head no.

    Pitchers can call their pitches to the catcher — Greg Maddux called most of his pitches, signalling his catcher by touching his cap or by how he held his hand or whatever. But it’s a little risky because it’s in full view of the batter and the opposing dugout.

    Catchers tend to be overrepresented among managers, pitchers underrepresented. It’s not like football where quarterbacks are most likely to become coaches.

    My guess is that pitchers are just supposed to concentrate on pitching and pay little attention to batting, fielding, and baserunning. So they are less likely to be seen as a natural for a job above pitching coach.

  172. My HS state champion basketball team decided to try out for my mediocre baseball team as a goof. (You could guess the racial lines) Any scout would say they had more “tools” than the baseball team. But the throwing aspect, even playing catch, was unnatural and wild. Maybe they could’ve practiced and been better. I just doubt they would’ve embarrassed themselves similarly trying for football. My small sample verdict is that black men don’t effortlessly shine in pitching the way they do in other sports. If your an athlete who can run and jump well, precision pitching looks like high hanging fruit.

  173. @Hunsdon
    Say, Lot, I wonder if you would expand a little on your comment. A den of antisemitic crackpottery---that's quite a claim! Are you referring to any of the principal authors collected here? (And if so, who?) Is it the folks in the peanut gallery? (And if so, who?) And just what do you mean by antisemitic crackpottery?

    Giraldi, the Saker, the various commentors who do the ((())) thing and link to holocaust denial forums.

  174. @SPMoore8
    I will concede that there's a lot of rhetoric addressed against Jews and non-whites in particular on this site. However, I don't see much that rises to the level of hatred. That makes a difference to me.

    I think the idea that Jews are trying to subvert the West is nonsense. I mean, I've known a lot of Jews (a lot of blacks, too, for that matter). Maybe a couple have had the cliche'd "is it good for the Jews" mentality but most of them are just trying to live their lives, to the extent that their families will allow them. (Jewish mothers were Tiger moms avant la lettre).

    There is a lot of nepotism in fields that Jews dominate. It's not as bad as it sounds. It's really no differerent than the way ethnic catholics tend to dominate fire and police departments in the northeast.

    Jewish kids are expected to be "smart", even when they aren't. So they tend to be very good verbally because that's the easiest way to appear smart, even if you aren't. Verbal facility equals fluent writing, fluent writing means good grades and praise, good grades and praise leads to fields where you write for a living, presto, Jews are seriously over-represented in the verbal professions.

    Being Jewish, Jewish writers tend to write about things that come easily to their life experience. The whole thing we are getting now where myriad Indian and Chinese youngsters are writing "sensitive first novels" about "what it means to be Indian/Chinese/etc." was done 50-60 years ago except the authors were all Jewish boys and girls talking about what it meant to be Jewish, etc.

    Also, being Jewish, Jewish writers are going to be hung up on Israel, the Holocaust, things like that. So they write about that a lot. And everyone who isn't Jewish is exposed to it a lot. If, in fact, Jewish writers were not frequently writing about those things, and particularly Israel, non-Jews wouldn't be complaining about Israel.

    I don't think any of this is very complicated. At the same time, Jewish perceptions are not the only possible human perceptions. Non-Jews are not necessarily going to have the same attitudes towards Israel or Jewish history that Jews do. Jews have to understand this and not reflexively accuse people of anti-semitism like that uncle on Seinfeld every time some non- Jew has a different take on these things. By the same token, to upbraid any Jew who is critical of Israel (e.g., Finkelstein) by calling him an "anti-semitic crackpot" or, worse, a "self-hating Jew" is, in my opinion, just plain wrong.

    …I don’t see much [rhetoric against Jews and non-whites] that rises to the level of hatred.

    And if it did, what of it? Why is the emotion of hate, and its expression, considered beyond the pale–that is, at least for so-called Conservatives: Social Justice Warriors are full of hate and give full vent to the emotion.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    #1 - Personally, I don't like spittle flecked expressions of hatred against any group. When it shows up in a thread it just turns me off and I don't like to be there. That's what I am talking about.

    #2 - You are absolutely right that SJW's are particularly offensive in terms of hate speech. The reason is that they believe they have a moral justification on their side, and with that, allow all of their inner demons to emerge. Syonredux had a bunch of quotes like that yesterday concerning the forthcoming Nat Turner movie, and Cathy Young (Katya is so much better, Cathy) linked to a site that took a lot of SJW hate expressions, and, by a simple substitution of words, made them convincing statements of the kind Hitler would have made.

    My post was not meant to censor the expression of hatred. Let it reign. I just don't like to be in threads where it is expressed. I don't find it expressed very often at iSteve.
  175. @David Davenport
    Jack D, I take it that you want Steve to ban anti-Semitic comments.

    Furthermore, you will define what is anti-Semitic and what is allowed.

    Am I wrong, Jack D?

    It’s his forum. It says “Comments are moderated by Steve Sailer, at whim.” And I gather in fact that he does censor some of the more virulent comments because I see people complaining from time to time. He can do whatever he want but, as I said before, he (and HBD) will never have mainstream legitimacy if he/it is associated in the popular mind with Antisemitism. Why make it easy on your enemies?

  176. @5371
    Substitute "racism" for "anti-Semitism" and "racist" for "anti-Semite" in your comment, and you will have the perfect justification for deleting all your own comments and indeed shutting all the comments down, and the posts as well. So the combination of malice and stupidity in this comment of yours is rather shocking.

    I am against both anti-Semitism and racism of any kind. What we have in our society now vis-a-vis NAMs is not racism, it is the opposite. Racism is when you refuse to let Feynman into your university despite the fact that he is a genius. “Affirmative action” (STILL racism, just reversed) is when you let Genius T. Coates into your university despite the fact that he is an idiot. Both are wrong.

    • Replies: @5371
    I think if you look up Feynman's career, you'll find he had no problem getting admitted to prestigious institutions (and rightly so).
  177. The average height for the top 20 pitchers above is 6’4″.

    As I asked late in the comments of the previous sports post, does the height advantage apply to submarine, or even sidearm, pitching? Might shortness be an advantage to the underballer?

    That short, underhanded lefty who fanned me twice years ago might have had a counterintuitive advantage. The manager, my cousin, ordered me to go back to swinging left if I faced him again. (Ironically, he’s a lefty who batted right.) My favorite pitch was deep inside anyway (the often-hit Ron Hunt was a hero), so I had a counter-counterintuitive advantage of my own. An analyst’s dream match-up!

  178. @SPMoore8
    Of all the major sports, I would think baseball is the one least likely to ever be in trouble; the reason being it's the only major sport that anyone can play -- you don't need to be tall or very big to play it, or excel at it. You just need to practice at it.

    As a Giants fan, my earliest memories was of a roster that always had a lot of Latins on it, so the current Latin dominance is not something I notice; but it is true that there are fewer whites and also also fewer blacks playing the game. On the other hand, the current Giants roster has 6 members of its lineup comprised of white English speaking Americans; the other two slots taken by a Puerto Rican and an African American: the black guy (Span) being the first Black Person in a Giants starting lineup in years -- this on the team of Mays, McCovey, Hart, and the two Bonds.

    It's possible that white people in general will stop playing sports altogether and just become obese. That seems to be trending. But baseball will be the last to go, if that's the case. Whites seem to have largely abandoned basketball and football already.

    As for the dearth of blacks in baseball, or at the pitcher's spot, I don't recall when there were ever a lot of black pitchers; the Gibsons, Goodens, Dontrelles, etc. were always rather rare. There used to be a lot of black guys in the starting lineups, usually in the outfield. There are fewer of those, but these swings are not that drastic. In 1986, 19% of ballplayers were black, which is 5% higher than the general population, today it is about 8%, 5% lower than the general population. Since there are 30 teams and 25 per team, we are talking about 750 major leaguers, more or less, 5% would be about 38 guys, or about 1 guy per team. Please.

    Of course MLB always goes through this routine to embrace black players, and, I suspect, sell tickets to black people, which is why we get the annual Jackie Robinson celebration, in which Robinson's uniform number (42) has been retired by all teams, except today, when everyone will be wearing it. Or at least they have done that in the past.

    I think the whole 42 stunt has grown old. How about this? Have ONE player from each team wear 42 on April 15 each year.

    At least Mariano Rivera doesn’t have to worry about getting his number retired.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Scarlet, Yes it is getting old, but not as old as the "pinking" of every sport in October, during Breast Cancer Awareness Month.
  179. @anon
    Roger Kahn's book about pitching was titled "The Head Game." Baseball players aren't exactly geniuses, but pitching is by far the most mentally demanding role in the game.

    I thought everybody knew that, so it's funny that the article doesn't even mention that angle. I always wonder - has P.C. advanced to a state where the writer didn't even think of it, or did the writer have that in the back of his mind the whole time and avoided mentioning it just to needle and suss out the thought criminals who might be tempted to point it out?

    (If it were in the New York Times, I'd figure the latter. USA Today, maybe the former.)

    Of course the writer was afraid of the PC Police.

    Also, Mike Mussina was a genius.

  180. @Jack D
    I am against both anti-Semitism and racism of any kind. What we have in our society now vis-a-vis NAMs is not racism, it is the opposite. Racism is when you refuse to let Feynman into your university despite the fact that he is a genius. "Affirmative action" (STILL racism, just reversed) is when you let Genius T. Coates into your university despite the fact that he is an idiot. Both are wrong.

    I think if you look up Feynman’s career, you’ll find he had no problem getting admitted to prestigious institutions (and rightly so).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    That's not true, unfortunately. Feynman attended MIT as an undergraduate and not C0lumbia because he didn't get in due to Columbia's Jewish quotas. Princeton took him into their PhD program despite the fact that he was a Jew, but only because his MIT professors told them that he was the smartest undergrad that they had ever seen and that he wasn't a real Jewy Jew. That Jews in America managed to succeed despite the obstacles that were placed in their way doesn't mean that there were no obstacles, just that they were able to overcome them.

    But that's mostly all over now, although there are some signs, especially in Europe, that being Israeli or a Zionist is not the best way to get ahead in academia nowadays. It would be nice if we could just all do the MLK thing and just judge people as individuals, by the content of their character, rather than according to what race or group they belong to, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.
  181. @SonOfStrom
    The Phillies had a very serviceable black pitcher for a few years, Robert Pearson, who was actually their opening day starter in 2001, when he won 15 games. Interestingly, he was also a solid hitter, as his Wikipedia entry notes:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Person

    Person, not Pearson

  182. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve coach many years in the inner city and had several pitchers that could have moved further along in baseball. Pitchers in our progran are usually the most physical dominant athletes in their group, you could put a soccer ball in front of him with little practice he would probably work towards being the best athlete on the field. So when the basketball, football coach wants an athlete thats the one that usually take first. The other kids are supporting cast. I had several kids that were extremely off the chart. I once had a kid that i taught and nurtured to pitch. At age 11 he was 6′ 180 lbs and throwing a 75 to 80mph fastball,…switch to playing AAU basketball he’s now 6’4″ 220. At 18 I’m sure he could throw 95mph base on what he was taught.
    Their white counterparts who aren’t as physical (just a general term some are more) learn and master pitching because of economics. Their parents/coaches invest in their skills in specialized camps/clinics. In addition to AAU/travel baseball leagues.

  183. @I, Libertine
    I object to the claim that first base is the easiest defensive position on the field. The first baseman handles the ball more than any player(other than the battery mates, of course). A skillful first baseman can make an enormous difference over a designated hitter type who finds himself stationed there only because he's in the National League. Anyone who watched the Mets on a daily basis in 1983, as Keith Hernandez replaced Dave Kingman at first, will agree with me.

    It is true, I acknowledge, that one can play the position well despite poor foot speed (see 1983- 89 Mets). But that's all I'll acknowledge.

    I had forgotten that Kingman was the Mets first baseman for 2½ years.

  184. @Anon
    We're having a conversation about the best black pitchers and nobody mentions Pedro Martinez? There's no doubt that he's mostly black.

    …nobody mentions Pedro Martinez.

    Or Don Newcombe who was certifiably black. Newk was great!

  185. @SPMoore8
    Where are the blacks in hockey?

    Where are the blacks in hockey?

    In the penalty box.

    Just kidding.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  186. Marty [AKA "Near Vicksburg"] says:
    @I, Libertine
    I object to the claim that first base is the easiest defensive position on the field. The first baseman handles the ball more than any player(other than the battery mates, of course). A skillful first baseman can make an enormous difference over a designated hitter type who finds himself stationed there only because he's in the National League. Anyone who watched the Mets on a daily basis in 1983, as Keith Hernandez replaced Dave Kingman at first, will agree with me.

    It is true, I acknowledge, that one can play the position well despite poor foot speed (see 1983- 89 Mets). But that's all I'll acknowledge.

    You’re probably aware that it was racist for the Mets to replace George Foster with Kevin Mitchell.

  187. @Jonathan Silber
    ...I don't see much [rhetoric against Jews and non-whites] that rises to the level of hatred.

    And if it did, what of it? Why is the emotion of hate, and its expression, considered beyond the pale--that is, at least for so-called Conservatives: Social Justice Warriors are full of hate and give full vent to the emotion.

    #1 – Personally, I don’t like spittle flecked expressions of hatred against any group. When it shows up in a thread it just turns me off and I don’t like to be there. That’s what I am talking about.

    #2 – You are absolutely right that SJW’s are particularly offensive in terms of hate speech. The reason is that they believe they have a moral justification on their side, and with that, allow all of their inner demons to emerge. Syonredux had a bunch of quotes like that yesterday concerning the forthcoming Nat Turner movie, and Cathy Young (Katya is so much better, Cathy) linked to a site that took a lot of SJW hate expressions, and, by a simple substitution of words, made them convincing statements of the kind Hitler would have made.

    My post was not meant to censor the expression of hatred. Let it reign. I just don’t like to be in threads where it is expressed. I don’t find it expressed very often at iSteve.

  188. @5371
    I think if you look up Feynman's career, you'll find he had no problem getting admitted to prestigious institutions (and rightly so).

    That’s not true, unfortunately. Feynman attended MIT as an undergraduate and not C0lumbia because he didn’t get in due to Columbia’s Jewish quotas. Princeton took him into their PhD program despite the fact that he was a Jew, but only because his MIT professors told them that he was the smartest undergrad that they had ever seen and that he wasn’t a real Jewy Jew. That Jews in America managed to succeed despite the obstacles that were placed in their way doesn’t mean that there were no obstacles, just that they were able to overcome them.

    But that’s mostly all over now, although there are some signs, especially in Europe, that being Israeli or a Zionist is not the best way to get ahead in academia nowadays. It would be nice if we could just all do the MLK thing and just judge people as individuals, by the content of their character, rather than according to what race or group they belong to, but that doesn’t seem to be in the cards.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    That’s not true, unfortunately. Feynman attended MIT as an undergraduate and not C0lumbia because he didn’t get in due to Columbia’s Jewish quotas.
     
    For STEM, MIT is several notches above Columbia

    That Jews in America managed to succeed despite the obstacles that were placed in their way doesn’t mean that there were no obstacles, just that they were able to overcome them.
     
    Insignificant obstacles. Just do a compare-and-contrast with what Blacks faced back then.
    , @Jefferson
    "That Jews in America managed to succeed despite the obstacles that were placed in their way doesn’t mean that there were no obstacles, just that they were able to overcome them."

    In U.S history, there were more Italian immigrants who were lynched than there were Jewish immigrants who were lynched.

    So in America your people did not even have it as bad as my people, let alone have it as bad as Native Americans and African Americans.
  189. @Jack D
    That's not true, unfortunately. Feynman attended MIT as an undergraduate and not C0lumbia because he didn't get in due to Columbia's Jewish quotas. Princeton took him into their PhD program despite the fact that he was a Jew, but only because his MIT professors told them that he was the smartest undergrad that they had ever seen and that he wasn't a real Jewy Jew. That Jews in America managed to succeed despite the obstacles that were placed in their way doesn't mean that there were no obstacles, just that they were able to overcome them.

    But that's mostly all over now, although there are some signs, especially in Europe, that being Israeli or a Zionist is not the best way to get ahead in academia nowadays. It would be nice if we could just all do the MLK thing and just judge people as individuals, by the content of their character, rather than according to what race or group they belong to, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

    That’s not true, unfortunately. Feynman attended MIT as an undergraduate and not C0lumbia because he didn’t get in due to Columbia’s Jewish quotas.

    For STEM, MIT is several notches above Columbia

    That Jews in America managed to succeed despite the obstacles that were placed in their way doesn’t mean that there were no obstacles, just that they were able to overcome them.

    Insignificant obstacles. Just do a compare-and-contrast with what Blacks faced back then.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    So if blacks in America were treated totally like shit, and Jews (and other ethnics - Italians, etc. ) were treated only somewhat like shit, does that make it OK? Is that what America was supposed to be?

    It's easy for you to say that these obstacles were "insignificant" because you didn't have to live with them. You weren't kept out of college or med school because of your religion or turned away from a hotel or holiday resort. You didn't have your resume tossed in the trash because of your last name. My MIL is 94 and old (and clear headed) enough to remember those days. Jews in America still did OK - if you couldn't get hired by DuPont or Morgan bank (and you couldn't) you could still start your own business. If you couldn't go to Harvard you could still go to Rutgers. There were no pogroms like back in Russia. But having to live as a 2nd class citizen is not "insignificant" if it affects you personally.

    Columbia was Feynman's 1st choice (if he had gotten in). He was from NY and in those days people tended to stay closer to home if they could. I think in those days, even for STEM, Columbia would have been more prestigious. MIT really made its reputation during the war.

  190. @Stan Adams
    The problem is that Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men in the world, but white goyim are not supposed to notice that fact, let alone talk about it, let alone wonder if something can and/or should be done about it.

    Is it "good" or "bad" that Jews have disproportionately more wealth and power than any other ethnic group? "Good" or "bad" for whom? Are white goyim better off in a world where Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men? Would we better off if Jews made up only 3% of that list, or 66% of it, or 0% or 100%? How so?

    Would white goyim be better off if George Soros were a white goy who spent his money on white-goy causes? (What is a white-goy cause, anyway?)

    Would white goyim in America be better off if our government didn't give so much money to Israel? Would we be better off if our country had a border fence like Israel's?

    These are all interesting questions. Unfortunately, white goyim can't ask them, openly, in public, because a white goy who asks even one of them is branded an anti-Semite. Remember: We're not even supposed to notice that Jews have a disproportionate amount of wealth and power.

    Some Jews pursue Jewish interests, even at the expense of white goyim, and that's fine. So don't tell me that I'm wrong to want to pursue white-goy interests, even at the expense of Jews.

    Ultimately, no group "should" be in charge. White goyim don't "deserve" to rule over Jews any more than Jews "deserve" to rule over white goyim. It's a game - winner takes all.

    Jews are good at winning. One way to win is to change the rules of the game so that your opponent doesn't even know what he can do, let alone what he should do.

    White goyim can either bend over and accept losing, or they can steel themselves for a long, hard slog and try to make a few new rules of their own.

    I don't believe that Jews can (or necessarily should) be displaced from their firmly-entrenched position in the ranks of the economic, social, and political elite. But I'll be damned if someone's going to tell me that I can't even acknowledge the fact that they make up a large part of that elite.

    “The problem is that Jews are 33% of the 500 richest men in the world, but white goyim”

    I don’t even say White Goyim, I just say Goyim because the term Goyim alone automatically means White people who are not Jewish. Nobody is including Tongans and Haitians in the definition of Goyim. Adding White to Goyim is just redundant.

    If a Black person murders a Non Jewish White person, nobody says it is Goyim on Goyim violence.

  191. @DWB
    Steve, you really should take a bow. The transmogrification of Johnny Cueto from "black" to Latin (and the ridiculous controversy about black players in MLB being 'replaced' with Hispanics that was raised by Torii Hunter a while back) reflects your observation of the Coalition of the Fringes.

    Here in San Francisco, the various constituencies are really sharpening their axes, as it becomes clearer and clearer that the interests of blacks, Asians, Latinos, Muslims, feminists...do not naturally align. Simple anti-white antagonism is only going to hold them together for so long.

    Russell Martin is "black" if one counts the old, one-drop rule. He was born in Quebec to a father who himself was mixed-race black. Here is a picture of Martin:

    http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/mlb/players/full/6390.png&w=350&h=254

    Actually, it was the aforementioned Sheffield, an asshole of the first water, to throw the Hispanic players under the bullpen cart:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2891875

  192. @Jack D
    That's not true, unfortunately. Feynman attended MIT as an undergraduate and not C0lumbia because he didn't get in due to Columbia's Jewish quotas. Princeton took him into their PhD program despite the fact that he was a Jew, but only because his MIT professors told them that he was the smartest undergrad that they had ever seen and that he wasn't a real Jewy Jew. That Jews in America managed to succeed despite the obstacles that were placed in their way doesn't mean that there were no obstacles, just that they were able to overcome them.

    But that's mostly all over now, although there are some signs, especially in Europe, that being Israeli or a Zionist is not the best way to get ahead in academia nowadays. It would be nice if we could just all do the MLK thing and just judge people as individuals, by the content of their character, rather than according to what race or group they belong to, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

    “That Jews in America managed to succeed despite the obstacles that were placed in their way doesn’t mean that there were no obstacles, just that they were able to overcome them.”

    In U.S history, there were more Italian immigrants who were lynched than there were Jewish immigrants who were lynched.

    So in America your people did not even have it as bad as my people, let alone have it as bad as Native Americans and African Americans.

  193. @whorefinder
    In a word: fathers. Or at least a male leader to train every day.

    Pitching and catching are, today, advanced skill positions. To get good at them you need everyday training and a lot of one-on-one coaching. In 90% of the cases that means dear old Dad (or a coach hired by Dad) is out there 3-5 times a week catching you or showing you how to catch him. Since the black family has died since the 1960s, blacks have had fewer and fewer free coaches in the form of Dad to train them in these positions.

    It's similar to football QBs. These days you need a Dad to either throw with you 3-5 times a week or pay for a coach to do it--if you want to play college or NFL and be more than just a running back who throws sometimes (like Vince Young or Michael Vick).

    You'll hear stories about the occasional fatherless kid from the Carribean or South America, but the MLB has coaches in those countries specifically paid to do the one-on-one with the wunderkinds. That wouldn't work well in the ghetto because a ghetto black choosing between a hard skill position and the all-you-need-is-athleticism-and-height NBA/NFL (non-QB position) is going to go the easy money route every time.

    Or dear old mom. Growing up, my brother and I spent more time throwing with our mom, former high school softball team captain, than we did with our dad. She taught my brother, a lefty, a lot about pitching, and he ended up a scholarship ballplayer who pitched 3 times in the College World Series.

    Almost 40 years later, we’re sitting in the stands watching my nephew pitch in a Little League game. A little pop-up came into the stands, which I caught and handed to my mom. The kid playing third came over to get the ball, but mom stood up and pegged a perfect strike to her grandson on the mound. I’ll never forget the look on his face.

    She continued to play catch with her grandsons until breast cancer ended her throwing career.

  194. @MC
    Has anyone ever pointed out that the economics concept of "comparative advantage" applies to sports?

    For example, let's assume that blacks had the exact same natural pitching ability as whites, but have somewhat greater natural ability to steal bases and run down fly balls in the outfield. Then blacks would have an absolute advantage at playing the outfield, but whites would have a comparative advantage at pitching, because there would be less demand for their outfielding skills.

    Or lets assume that blacks have the exact same natural ability as whites at playing baseball, but MUCH greater natural ability than whites, on average, at basketball and football. Whites would then have a comparative advantage for baseball, because their skills in other sports are less in demand.

    In those cases, there would be no reason to expect baseball to have the same proportion of blacks as the general population, nor for pitching to have the same proportion of blacks as baseball on the whole.

    Nope.

    There’s no lack of guys with the ability to play center field well (each MLB team has a couple sitting on their benches with that very talent to play late-inning defense) and pitching ability is infinitely more valuable.

    Every single #1 MLB draft pick for the past 12 years has been a pitcher, catcher or shortstop. Strength up the middle.

  195. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "And ghetto blacks have little interest in training hard at the skills of baseball, so if they do wind up in baseball, it’s at the easier positions of outfielder or first base."

    Let's finish the sentence. Historically, the love for or the passion for baseball was passed down from father to son, from father to son. Well, with ca.75% out of wedlock births for all African-Americans (and many have no idea who their biological fathers are), coupled with the fact that they don't tend to play stickball anymore (unless one counts using a stick in the Knockout Game), uh, why should they be interested in baseball? They can make just as much money in NFL or NBA, and with less time and effort. NBA's half the MLB season and only 16 games in NFL for roughly the same amount of money.

    But you don't need a father around to watch and play pickup basketball games with your peers on the concrete lots and they can always pick up NFL in jr. high school when perspective NFL recruits start to drop by.

    Historically, the love for or the passion for baseball was passed down from father to son, from father to son.

    Let’s cut to the chase here: the love and passion for Everything is passed from father to son. Work habits, sports, attitudes, hobbies, it all comes from Dad, both good and bad. If he’s absent then the son has to scramble to figure out who he really is and what his calling in life should be. With Dad around it’s much easier on the boy. It’s also much easier for Mom to understand her son.

    When I hear people making excuses for single motherhood I can only shake my head. Just today a man in his 60’s was telling me about his own father. That influence and relationship goes on forever.

  196. @Whiskey
    The idea that a 94 mph fastball and one breaking ball is all that is needed for pitching success is laughable. The minor leagues are filled with pitchers like that who are totally ineffective in the majors. Pitching in the majors is all about deception, ball placement, movement, and disrupting major league hitters rhythm. The major leagues after all are filled with players who can reliably hit a big fat meatball even at 94 mph. And on the other hand, a pitcher like Jered Weaver can get players out with a fastball in the mid 80s. If that.

    Release points, angles of flight of the ball, all of that are critically important and require constant coaching. The Pirates are fairly legendary for taking washed up pitchers and coaching the heck out of them to recalibrate their release points and control.

    Indeed you could argue that the key to pitching success is reliably repeating a deceptive release point and arm slot angle so that hitters have a hard time picking up the pitch as a fastball, curve, etc. And the ability to repeat that motion exactly over say 110 pitches a game is not very easy and requires lots of technique and practice not raw athletic talent like waking up really fast every morning.

    Pedro Martinez’ salad days were all about arm slot. The very same slot and release point could release a blistering 97-mph fastball or a knee-buckling 80-mph curveball.

    My personal favorite windup and release from the master of NO arm slot. As a hitter, you need to pic up the release point as soon as possible to have a chance to make contact, but you never knew where it was coming from with Tiant.

  197. @JohnnyD
    I think the Braves' big three--Maddux, Galvine, and Smoltz--is also a good case study of the "unbearable whiteness" of MLB pitching.

    And Glavine had the potential to play in the NHL (69th pick in the 1984 NHL draft), so he gets extra whiteness points.

  198. @I, Libertine
    I object to the claim that first base is the easiest defensive position on the field. The first baseman handles the ball more than any player(other than the battery mates, of course). A skillful first baseman can make an enormous difference over a designated hitter type who finds himself stationed there only because he's in the National League. Anyone who watched the Mets on a daily basis in 1983, as Keith Hernandez replaced Dave Kingman at first, will agree with me.

    It is true, I acknowledge, that one can play the position well despite poor foot speed (see 1983- 89 Mets). But that's all I'll acknowledge.

    I played first base in high school and Legion at 260 lbs. You don’t need foot speed, you need the quick 5-foot burst of a football offensive lineman, along with good depth perception and hand/eye.

    Even my brother, the last source for any props for me, said I saved the infielders more than a few errors.

  199. @Bugg
    Odd case-Columbus Blue Jackets defenseman Seth Jones. His dad was an NBA player, Popeye Jones, who eventually settled in Denver after playing for the Nuggets.His mom is white. Despite having an NBA dad, he gravitated toward hockey and trained with the Avalanche, and became a 1st round pick. Was traded this season from Nashville to Columbus for Jack Johnson, who's trailer trash parents investing in nonsense bankrupted him.

    Also, arguably the best defenseman in the NHL is PK Subban, who is very black. His brother has bounced around the NHL as a backup goalie. There are others. Would guess most come from middle class intact families because hockey is a very expensive youth sport, between equipment, ice time and travel. And you need a dad to get you there and dress you beforee you know how to do it. By all accounts,PK Subban is a good guy who has donated millions of his salary to a children's hospital in Montreal.

    PK Subban is a symbol of everything wrong with the NHL today. Talented kid, but constantly yapping them running away.

    I would be real money that, shortly before he retires, Zdeno Chara is going to punch Subban’s lights out.

  200. @syonredux

    That’s not true, unfortunately. Feynman attended MIT as an undergraduate and not C0lumbia because he didn’t get in due to Columbia’s Jewish quotas.
     
    For STEM, MIT is several notches above Columbia

    That Jews in America managed to succeed despite the obstacles that were placed in their way doesn’t mean that there were no obstacles, just that they were able to overcome them.
     
    Insignificant obstacles. Just do a compare-and-contrast with what Blacks faced back then.

    So if blacks in America were treated totally like shit, and Jews (and other ethnics – Italians, etc. ) were treated only somewhat like shit, does that make it OK? Is that what America was supposed to be?

    It’s easy for you to say that these obstacles were “insignificant” because you didn’t have to live with them. You weren’t kept out of college or med school because of your religion or turned away from a hotel or holiday resort. You didn’t have your resume tossed in the trash because of your last name. My MIL is 94 and old (and clear headed) enough to remember those days. Jews in America still did OK – if you couldn’t get hired by DuPont or Morgan bank (and you couldn’t) you could still start your own business. If you couldn’t go to Harvard you could still go to Rutgers. There were no pogroms like back in Russia. But having to live as a 2nd class citizen is not “insignificant” if it affects you personally.

    Columbia was Feynman’s 1st choice (if he had gotten in). He was from NY and in those days people tended to stay closer to home if they could. I think in those days, even for STEM, Columbia would have been more prestigious. MIT really made its reputation during the war.

    • Replies: @5371
    You people are unteachable. Kings of the world, and still with the festering resentments that the wretched of the earth would feel ashamed to foster.
  201. @Steve Sailer
    So that's why I spent my little league career in right field!

    I’d have figured, giving your height, you’d have been given a chance at first base.

    Anyone who has played baseball for any amount of time and say they never played right field has some talent.

  202. @Jack D
    So if blacks in America were treated totally like shit, and Jews (and other ethnics - Italians, etc. ) were treated only somewhat like shit, does that make it OK? Is that what America was supposed to be?

    It's easy for you to say that these obstacles were "insignificant" because you didn't have to live with them. You weren't kept out of college or med school because of your religion or turned away from a hotel or holiday resort. You didn't have your resume tossed in the trash because of your last name. My MIL is 94 and old (and clear headed) enough to remember those days. Jews in America still did OK - if you couldn't get hired by DuPont or Morgan bank (and you couldn't) you could still start your own business. If you couldn't go to Harvard you could still go to Rutgers. There were no pogroms like back in Russia. But having to live as a 2nd class citizen is not "insignificant" if it affects you personally.

    Columbia was Feynman's 1st choice (if he had gotten in). He was from NY and in those days people tended to stay closer to home if they could. I think in those days, even for STEM, Columbia would have been more prestigious. MIT really made its reputation during the war.

    You people are unteachable. Kings of the world, and still with the festering resentments that the wretched of the earth would feel ashamed to foster.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Well, at least he isn't demanding reparations. Yet.
  203. @Steve Sailer
    Do pitchers require the sensational eyesight of hitters? Most can't hit at all, although Greinke can.

    MLB pitchers can hit better than probably 999 out of a thousand people. But that’s not good enough in MLB – it has to be better than 999,999 out of a million. Likewise, position players can pitch better than 999 out of a thousand people. Once in a while a bullpen will get used up and they’ll have to bring in an outfielder to pitch. The guy usually holds his own for an inning or two. But if you put the all-star pitcher from the local high school in there, he’d get lit up. There’s no human alive who can both hit and pitch at the MLB level.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Babe Ruth could, but he found pitching and hitting to be too much to concentrate upon and switched to full time hitting. So there was a nurture aspect: to be a star pitcher and a star hitter required too much practice and concentration to do both simultaneously. (Or was it that Ruth worried that he wear out his pitching arm making long throws from right field on rest days?)

    Batting and fielding are pretty separate domains, yet there are overlaps, such as Mike Schmidt at third base.

    There are pitcher-hitter overlaps: George Brett's brother Ken hit .262 with some power in a 14 year pitching career.

    But it must be very hard to concentrate on doing both at an MLB level.

    , @ScarletNumber
    Jose Canseco blew out his elbow pitching.
  204. @5371
    You people are unteachable. Kings of the world, and still with the festering resentments that the wretched of the earth would feel ashamed to foster.

    Well, at least he isn’t demanding reparations. Yet.

  205. @Clyde
    Then how come pitchers are paid lots more? The catcher merely suggests to the man in charge who is the pitcher. Who is throwing the balls and strikeouts. Catcher is a bit like a professional golf caddy.

    Clyde, The catcher also sets the infielders and the outfielders, that is moves them to the left or right and in a bit or out a bit. So, the catcher actually “calls” the game.

  206. @ScarletNumber
    I think the whole 42 stunt has grown old. How about this? Have ONE player from each team wear 42 on April 15 each year.

    At least Mariano Rivera doesn't have to worry about getting his number retired.

    Scarlet, Yes it is getting old, but not as old as the “pinking” of every sport in October, during Breast Cancer Awareness Month.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    MLB does it on Mothers Day.
  207. @Jean Cocteausten
    MLB pitchers can hit better than probably 999 out of a thousand people. But that's not good enough in MLB - it has to be better than 999,999 out of a million. Likewise, position players can pitch better than 999 out of a thousand people. Once in a while a bullpen will get used up and they'll have to bring in an outfielder to pitch. The guy usually holds his own for an inning or two. But if you put the all-star pitcher from the local high school in there, he'd get lit up. There's no human alive who can both hit and pitch at the MLB level.

    Babe Ruth could, but he found pitching and hitting to be too much to concentrate upon and switched to full time hitting. So there was a nurture aspect: to be a star pitcher and a star hitter required too much practice and concentration to do both simultaneously. (Or was it that Ruth worried that he wear out his pitching arm making long throws from right field on rest days?)

    Batting and fielding are pretty separate domains, yet there are overlaps, such as Mike Schmidt at third base.

    There are pitcher-hitter overlaps: George Brett’s brother Ken hit .262 with some power in a 14 year pitching career.

    But it must be very hard to concentrate on doing both at an MLB level.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    There are pitcher-hitter overlaps: George Brett’s brother Ken hit .262 with some power in a 14 year pitching career.
     
    Some power? He homered in five straight starts (one was mistakenly ruled a ground-rule double on June 3, 1973), and that's batting ninth and not playing all nine innings each time (although he did go 42 1/3). He had just 19 plate appearances in those five games.

    There are only about 35 other players who have homered in five straight games, and Brett did it in a career with just 347 at-bats.

  208. @epebble
    Who gives a damn about Black Pitchers. The real HBD story is that Not One in these lists is Black:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scripps_National_Spelling_Bee_champions#List_of_champions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Geographic_Bee#National_Champions

    https://www.societyforscience.org/content/press-room/innovative-teen-scientists-win-more-1-million-awards-intel-science-talent-search

    and There Never Will Be.

    Jody-Anne Maxwell, a Jamaican, won Spelling Bee in 1998 by spelling “chiaroscurist”

    http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/30/nyregion/spelling-champion-for-all-jamaicans-12-year-old-kingston-hero-for-winning.html

    BTW, Sir William Arthur Lewis of Saint Lucia won the 1979 economics Nobel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Arthur_Lewis

    But, I agree with your general argument if you limit your hypothesis to “African American” instead of black.

    • Agree: Triumph104
  209. “So the cruel reality is that the African-American baseball player…is being excluded from more than half the jobs in the industry.”

    Here are some more things that just seem to happen to black people through no fault or agency of their own. Who are these racists excluding blacks from more than half the jobs of the industry? Find them!

    Truth, what should we do about this?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Yeah, the idea that baseball is excluding good pitchers just because they are black is as ludicrous as the idea that banks refuse to lend money to well-qualified blacks just because they are black. It's just Raaaaacism all the time.

    To paraphrase George Orwell, there are some ideas so preposterous that only a liberal will believe them.
  210. @epebble
    Who gives a damn about Black Pitchers. The real HBD story is that Not One in these lists is Black:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scripps_National_Spelling_Bee_champions#List_of_champions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Geographic_Bee#National_Champions

    https://www.societyforscience.org/content/press-room/innovative-teen-scientists-win-more-1-million-awards-intel-science-talent-search

    and There Never Will Be.

    She didn’t win a medal, but Augusta Uwamanzu-Nna, whose parents are Igbo-Nigerian, was an Intel finalist this year. She made the news for getting into all 8 Ivy League colleges.

    A year earlier, another Igbo-Nigerian from her high school got into all 8 Ivies, Harold Ekeh. He was an Intel semi-finalist.

    We are going to see blacks win prestigious awards, they just won’t be the descendants of American slaves. The first black chess grandmaster is Jamaican-American, etc., etc..

    • Replies: @epebble
    Agreed. That was pointed out by epebble too. I think that Thurmond-epebble hypothesis is an interesting HBD concept. Especially, its prediction that there will be no one on those lists.
  211. @Jean Cocteausten
    MLB pitchers can hit better than probably 999 out of a thousand people. But that's not good enough in MLB - it has to be better than 999,999 out of a million. Likewise, position players can pitch better than 999 out of a thousand people. Once in a while a bullpen will get used up and they'll have to bring in an outfielder to pitch. The guy usually holds his own for an inning or two. But if you put the all-star pitcher from the local high school in there, he'd get lit up. There's no human alive who can both hit and pitch at the MLB level.

    Jose Canseco blew out his elbow pitching.

  212. @SFG
    I read that article, and the Breitbart one it referred to.

    IMHO, with all the black/female/LGBT identity politics, you can't be too surprised when white people want to have one too.

    Exactly what's going to happen after Trump, I have no clue. He was sort of a lucky coincidence in that his New York connections gave him a wider appeal than he would have had if he were, say, a conservative Georgia real estate developer. You'll probably see big fissures in the GOP and at least one Hillary term.

    The Republicans don't have a good option--they need money from rich guys who want open borders and votes from poor white guys who don't, and were willing to go along with it, but not anymore. Probably some Reagan-like figure will come along in a decade or so and somehow manage to square the circle.

    The neocons may go back to the left (hey, Hillary loves Israel), or they may pile into libertarianism, or something I haven't thought of.

    IMHO, with all the black/female/LGBT identity politics, you can’t be too surprised when white people want to have one too.

    Life is a team sport. The amazing thing is that Whites can be convinced that otherwise.

  213. @Steve Sailer
    Babe Ruth could, but he found pitching and hitting to be too much to concentrate upon and switched to full time hitting. So there was a nurture aspect: to be a star pitcher and a star hitter required too much practice and concentration to do both simultaneously. (Or was it that Ruth worried that he wear out his pitching arm making long throws from right field on rest days?)

    Batting and fielding are pretty separate domains, yet there are overlaps, such as Mike Schmidt at third base.

    There are pitcher-hitter overlaps: George Brett's brother Ken hit .262 with some power in a 14 year pitching career.

    But it must be very hard to concentrate on doing both at an MLB level.

    There are pitcher-hitter overlaps: George Brett’s brother Ken hit .262 with some power in a 14 year pitching career.

    Some power? He homered in five straight starts (one was mistakenly ruled a ground-rule double on June 3, 1973), and that’s batting ninth and not playing all nine innings each time (although he did go 42 1/3). He had just 19 plate appearances in those five games.

    There are only about 35 other players who have homered in five straight games, and Brett did it in a career with just 347 at-bats.

  214. @guest
    Economics doesn't factor into Social Justice. We must have proportional representation in absolutely everything, including baseball, position by position. Doesn't matter if it slows your team down around the bases or more fly balls go uncaught. Do you think equality has anything to do with efficiency? Less efficiency, more black pitchers!

    Economics doesn’t factor into Social Justice. We must have proportional representation in absolutely everything, including baseball, position by position.

    No. Not proportional representation.

    Proportional representation OR MORE for non-whites (curiously, women and all non-racial categories are ignored), and proportional representation OR LESS for whites.

  215. @Anonymous
    Does Curry have long arms?

    I thought he'd be an example of the type of white player you've blogged about recently that doesn't pursue pro basketball these days, even though he's black. Curry is black, but he seems to be significantly white genetically, and his playing style is that of a highly skilled white player. His success seems to be due to his great shooting ability, skills, work ethic, and intelligence, rather than extreme physical abilities like most black players. Curry wasn't heavily recruited out of high school, and played college ball at the small liberal arts college of Davidson. Presumably having a former NBA player for a dad helped put him on the radar for the NBA despite playing for a small program in college and not being physically imposing.

    Leading the NCAA in scoring his junior year put him on the radar

    I understand Curry was still growing in college as was too small to attract interest from big programs

  216. @SPMoore8
    Well, the first thing I would say is, don't confuse the internet with reality. To put it another way, nobody else I know uses the internet for political-cultural venting. It really has nothing to do with the price of eggs.

    As for me, this site is a handy way for me to discuss the news and political and cultural trends without the stifling conformity and shibboleth wielding you will find in most other places. It's really that simple, and it's worth the $100 I donate every quarter (it's coming, it's coming .....)

    Necons are basically very socially liberal, the only way they are "conservative" is that they like the idea of the armed services doing stuff. However, no conservative would have condoned decapitating sovereign states gratuitously. US foreign policy under GWB was nothing but neocons in the saddle, and it did a lot of damage in many, many ways. Reading between the lines, it seems clear that Cathy Young is just your typical neocon with strong socially liberal attitudes, she just doesn't write about how we have a moral obligation to invade this country, or that country, or ..... I don't think neocons really have a home outside of the Democrat party now. Watch for President Hilary to start a war, or two.

    Republicans are basically irrelevant -- speaking as one -- because the only way they've defined themselves since Nixon was in terms of traditional values. Not to say that traditional values no longer exist, but no one is willing to articulate them anymore. GOP failures to even address immigration, values issues, or the plight of the white silent majority are the reasons why Trump is popular. It has nothing to do with the alt.right as such.

    I really have no idea what will happen next.

    Good comment.

  217. @guest
    You can't go by criticizing Israel or Jews, however, because not all of those posts are anti-semitic. That's why I bring up the Holocaust, because if you question that you're anti-semitic by definition, even if you're a Jew.

    You can’t go by criticizing Israel or Jews, however, because not all of those posts are anti-semitic. That’s why I bring up the Holocaust, because if you question that you’re anti-semitic by definition, even if you’re a Jew.

    “That”? What do you mean by “that”? What is “The Holocaust”?

    The Holocaust is not a fact. Instead, it encompasses a countless number of facts, and no one knows exactly what all those facts are. The notion that questioning your own idiosyncratic notion of those facts is “anti-semitic” (by the standard definition) is ludicrous.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    You're just playing with semantics. Are you anti-semantic? Is isteve a safe haven for people who are anti-semantic?

    Was the American Revolution a fact? The Civil War? World War II? Is it debatable whether WWII occurred because it is not one single fact? As for "idiosyncratic notions", I think you've got that backward. 100% of all legitimate historians acknowledge the reality of the Holocaust - the only ones that don't are "idiosyncratic" to put it kindly.
  218. @Steve from Detroit
    One name jumped out at me from the Top 100 Prospects list: Justus Sheffield. I don't know if that's supposed to be another form of Justice or Just Us.

    In either event, he is the nephew of Gary Sheffield (who, I believe, is the nephew of Doc Gooden). Sheffield is one of the poster children of the steroid era. There were always accusations and, when his denials became less plausible, he finally admitted to using cream and pills. He maintained his innocence by stating something to the effect of "steroids are something you shoot in your butt."

    When it was clear the non-steroids had lost their effectiveness, the Tigers paid him his last year's salary of $14M to simply go away. When the decision was made to release him, Jim Leyland (who for some reason loved Sheffield) said it bothered him so much he "lit up two Marlboros at the same time."

    Sheffield had six kids by five different women – how much time did he spend playing catch with all of his kids? – yet had the gall to complain that MLB promoted Latin players because they were more subservient to white managers and GM’s than AA players were.

    For Sheffield, the dearth of black players was due only to white racism.

    That baseball is a game introduced to the next generation of sons with a game of catch in the backyard with fathers is beyond Sheffield. If dad is not around (Gary Sheffield) then son doesn’t ever play baseball. And that’s all there is to it.

    Leyland did lots of great things for the Tigers, but telling the media “I have no problem with what Sheffield said” was not one of them.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Gary Sheffield married a woman who won a Grammy at age 9. The gospel singer went on to have a sexual relationship with R. Kelly while still a child. I believe Sheffield is actually raising the children he has with her.

    Sheffield had two daughters, different mothers each. Both daughters dropped out of college months into their freshman year. Sheffield was genuinely surprised that being an absentee father who only wrote checks was not enough to put the young women on the path to success.

    Gary Sheffield is an idiot, but like most people with money, someone will listen to him.
    , @Jack D
    The thing with guys like Sheffield is that there's no need to criticize them - they dig their own holes with their words. Baseball is the very definition of a "team" activity and to say that you are such a Proud Black Man that you couldn't possible listen to or take direction from your coach or GM is to beclown yourself.
  219. @MC
    Has anyone ever pointed out that the economics concept of "comparative advantage" applies to sports?

    For example, let's assume that blacks had the exact same natural pitching ability as whites, but have somewhat greater natural ability to steal bases and run down fly balls in the outfield. Then blacks would have an absolute advantage at playing the outfield, but whites would have a comparative advantage at pitching, because there would be less demand for their outfielding skills.

    Or lets assume that blacks have the exact same natural ability as whites at playing baseball, but MUCH greater natural ability than whites, on average, at basketball and football. Whites would then have a comparative advantage for baseball, because their skills in other sports are less in demand.

    In those cases, there would be no reason to expect baseball to have the same proportion of blacks as the general population, nor for pitching to have the same proportion of blacks as baseball on the whole.

    But there may be some contrary evidence that MLB teams in a desperate bid for “diversity” hang onto to black pitchers longer than their numbers would suggest:

    Exhibit A – Dontrelle Willis and the Detroit Tigers. The Tigers signed the wild Willis to a three-year deal for $30 million in 2008. Even though he redefined the word “bust” they didn’t let him go until 2010.

    ERA with Detroit – well north of 7.

    Walks – 92 in a total of 101 innings pitched in three seasons.

    Victory total pitching for the Tigers? 2 – including 0 in 2008. ( 1 in 2009, 1 in 2010. )

    I’m old and out of shape, but I could have pitched and given the Tigers 0 – ZERO – victories in 2008. I would have cost a lot less than $10 million, too. Heck, I’ll go out and NOT WIN A SINGLE GAME for a cool $1 million, baby!

  220. @Tiny Duck
    white girls and Black Men seem to like each other well enough

    white girls and Black Men seem to like each other well enough

    And that speaks volumes about black women, doesn’t it?

    As does your juxtaposition of “Men” and girls”.

  221. @ben tillman

    You can’t go by criticizing Israel or Jews, however, because not all of those posts are anti-semitic. That’s why I bring up the Holocaust, because if you question that you’re anti-semitic by definition, even if you’re a Jew.
     
    "That"? What do you mean by "that"? What is "The Holocaust"?

    The Holocaust is not a fact. Instead, it encompasses a countless number of facts, and no one knows exactly what all those facts are. The notion that questioning your own idiosyncratic notion of those facts is "anti-semitic" (by the standard definition) is ludicrous.

    You’re just playing with semantics. Are you anti-semantic? Is isteve a safe haven for people who are anti-semantic?

    Was the American Revolution a fact? The Civil War? World War II? Is it debatable whether WWII occurred because it is not one single fact? As for “idiosyncratic notions”, I think you’ve got that backward. 100% of all legitimate historians acknowledge the reality of the Holocaust – the only ones that don’t are “idiosyncratic” to put it kindly.

  222. Joe Ross is a young black pitcher with the Nationals and his brother Tyson pitches for the Padres.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Ross_%28baseball%29

    Bonus comment: Many blacks grow up in big cities far from fields adaptable to baseball.

    Another bonus comment: kids growing up in Central America can play baseball 12 months per year.

    Location and climate are factors.

  223. @William Badwhite
    "So the cruel reality is that the African-American baseball player...is being excluded from more than half the jobs in the industry."

    Here are some more things that just seem to happen to black people through no fault or agency of their own. Who are these racists excluding blacks from more than half the jobs of the industry? Find them!

    Truth, what should we do about this?

    Yeah, the idea that baseball is excluding good pitchers just because they are black is as ludicrous as the idea that banks refuse to lend money to well-qualified blacks just because they are black. It’s just Raaaaacism all the time.

    To paraphrase George Orwell, there are some ideas so preposterous that only a liberal will believe them.

  224. @Paul Jolliffe
    Sheffield had six kids by five different women - how much time did he spend playing catch with all of his kids? - yet had the gall to complain that MLB promoted Latin players because they were more subservient to white managers and GM's than AA players were.

    For Sheffield, the dearth of black players was due only to white racism.

    That baseball is a game introduced to the next generation of sons with a game of catch in the backyard with fathers is beyond Sheffield. If dad is not around (Gary Sheffield) then son doesn't ever play baseball. And that's all there is to it.

    Leyland did lots of great things for the Tigers, but telling the media "I have no problem with what Sheffield said" was not one of them.

    Gary Sheffield married a woman who won a Grammy at age 9. The gospel singer went on to have a sexual relationship with R. Kelly while still a child. I believe Sheffield is actually raising the children he has with her.

    Sheffield had two daughters, different mothers each. Both daughters dropped out of college months into their freshman year. Sheffield was genuinely surprised that being an absentee father who only wrote checks was not enough to put the young women on the path to success.

    Gary Sheffield is an idiot, but like most people with money, someone will listen to him.

  225. @Triumph104
    She didn't win a medal, but Augusta Uwamanzu-Nna, whose parents are Igbo-Nigerian, was an Intel finalist this year. She made the news for getting into all 8 Ivy League colleges.

    A year earlier, another Igbo-Nigerian from her high school got into all 8 Ivies, Harold Ekeh. He was an Intel semi-finalist.

    We are going to see blacks win prestigious awards, they just won't be the descendants of American slaves. The first black chess grandmaster is Jamaican-American, etc., etc..

    Agreed. That was pointed out by epebble too. I think that Thurmond-epebble hypothesis is an interesting HBD concept. Especially, its prediction that there will be no one on those lists.

  226. @ganderson
    A LOT of white kids that would in the past have played baseball are now playing lacrosse. Lax is growing like crazy outside of its traditional homelands in the mid-Atlantic, Upstate New York, the NYC metro area and the prep schools. California and the Upper Midwest are particular areas of new lax interest. I was a baseball guy- I started all three out in baseball but they all moved to lacrosse, and became good enough to play in college. This commercial makes the point, with former Amherst (MA) High School, Deerfield Academy and Loyola of MD star Josh Hawkins:

    Lacrosse is growing bigtime and I expect it to continue to. It’s physical but not nearly as dangerous as football and ice hockey. You don’t need to be super tall, though more and more 6’4+ white boys are showing up playing college lacrosse, as more are also playing hockey and of course baseball. The average D1 lacrosse player is probably about 6′ or 6’1. You need speed and endurance most of all.

    Lacrosse stardom won’t get you a million dollar professional salary, but will likely get you into a Duke or Notre Dame or Ivy, followed by a great Wall Street gig. It will also get you some of the most attractive women in college.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Stratton, There are a number of NHL goalies that are 6'-4" or better. Lacrosse players need to learn the game at a young age , just like hockey players need to be on skates at a really early age. The best player in recent DI lacrosse was Myles Thompson, a mere 5-8 or 5-9, but a magician with his stick and passes. He holds the DI record for points in a career. Arguably best player in DI lacrosse right now is the 6'-5", 240 pound Midfielder from Duke, Myles Jones. Myles is also one of the very few black lax players in DI. Your comment about lax stars getting into great schools is spot on. Speed is great in any sport but stick skills in hockey and lacrosse are major assets.
  227. @Arclight
    We've really gone down the rabbit hole when this is allegedly a major concern in sports - which I actually doubt it is amongst the people who actually play baseball. And of course the concern all goes one way, as I know I will never read an article pondering the dearth of white running backs in the NFL.

    as I know I will never read an article pondering the dearth of white running backs in the NFL.

    You could always write one.

  228. @SonOfStrom
    The weakest defensive fielders are typically shielded in Right Field.

    You play right field if you can throw but can run, left field if you can run but can’t throw and center field if you can do both.

  229. @Paul Jolliffe
    Sheffield had six kids by five different women - how much time did he spend playing catch with all of his kids? - yet had the gall to complain that MLB promoted Latin players because they were more subservient to white managers and GM's than AA players were.

    For Sheffield, the dearth of black players was due only to white racism.

    That baseball is a game introduced to the next generation of sons with a game of catch in the backyard with fathers is beyond Sheffield. If dad is not around (Gary Sheffield) then son doesn't ever play baseball. And that's all there is to it.

    Leyland did lots of great things for the Tigers, but telling the media "I have no problem with what Sheffield said" was not one of them.

    The thing with guys like Sheffield is that there’s no need to criticize them – they dig their own holes with their words. Baseball is the very definition of a “team” activity and to say that you are such a Proud Black Man that you couldn’t possible listen to or take direction from your coach or GM is to beclown yourself.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Actually, out of all of the team sports, baseball is the most individualistic. That's why Bill James was able to analyze it so well.
  230. @Marty T
    Lacrosse is growing bigtime and I expect it to continue to. It's physical but not nearly as dangerous as football and ice hockey. You don't need to be super tall, though more and more 6'4+ white boys are showing up playing college lacrosse, as more are also playing hockey and of course baseball. The average D1 lacrosse player is probably about 6' or 6'1. You need speed and endurance most of all.

    Lacrosse stardom won't get you a million dollar professional salary, but will likely get you into a Duke or Notre Dame or Ivy, followed by a great Wall Street gig. It will also get you some of the most attractive women in college.

    Stratton, There are a number of NHL goalies that are 6′-4″ or better. Lacrosse players need to learn the game at a young age , just like hockey players need to be on skates at a really early age. The best player in recent DI lacrosse was Myles Thompson, a mere 5-8 or 5-9, but a magician with his stick and passes. He holds the DI record for points in a career. Arguably best player in DI lacrosse right now is the 6′-5″, 240 pound Midfielder from Duke, Myles Jones. Myles is also one of the very few black lax players in DI. Your comment about lax stars getting into great schools is spot on. Speed is great in any sport but stick skills in hockey and lacrosse are major assets.

  231. @Buffalo Joe
    Scarlet, Yes it is getting old, but not as old as the "pinking" of every sport in October, during Breast Cancer Awareness Month.

    MLB does it on Mothers Day.

  232. @Jack D
    The thing with guys like Sheffield is that there's no need to criticize them - they dig their own holes with their words. Baseball is the very definition of a "team" activity and to say that you are such a Proud Black Man that you couldn't possible listen to or take direction from your coach or GM is to beclown yourself.

    Actually, out of all of the team sports, baseball is the most individualistic. That’s why Bill James was able to analyze it so well.

  233. @Abe
    There is no excuse now. Technology and connectivity have reached such saturation levels in this country that we cannot afford NOT to have them. Every time questions of representation come up like this, I demand an immediate blacks-ffidavit so that every single black person in this country can attest, under penalty of perjury, whether or not the reason they are not currently involved in some activity deemed insufficiently undiverse really is discrimination, or the fact that said activity is just too lame, slow, boring, corny, on-the-wrong-side-of-history, etc. Such questions are so crucial to the continued flourishing of our proposition-nation democracy that I'm sure every citizen of good will is willing to foot the astronomical Price Waterhouse consulting fees necessary to make it happen, though I'm hoping technology will allow for more economical solutions, such as Facebook. Yes, MLB owners, coaches, and talent scouts need their feet held to the fire. But National Geography Bee enthusiasts, perpetual motion machine cranks, and Jeremy Lin snuff film compilationists like myself deserve a chance to have our names cleared!

    Amen.

  234. @Anonymous
    Does Curry have long arms?

    I thought he'd be an example of the type of white player you've blogged about recently that doesn't pursue pro basketball these days, even though he's black. Curry is black, but he seems to be significantly white genetically, and his playing style is that of a highly skilled white player. His success seems to be due to his great shooting ability, skills, work ethic, and intelligence, rather than extreme physical abilities like most black players. Curry wasn't heavily recruited out of high school, and played college ball at the small liberal arts college of Davidson. Presumably having a former NBA player for a dad helped put him on the radar for the NBA despite playing for a small program in college and not being physically imposing.

    Does Curry have long arms?

    No. A quick google search reveals that Curry’s totally average in this respect, i.e. he’s 6′ 3″ with a nearly identical wingspan.

    Also, he’s considered not very athletic for an NBA player (i.e. he’s accused of having poor lateral quickness), and he’s certainly no great leaper. I did see a highlight once of him sort of dunking, but it looked not unlike one of those WNBA ‘throwdowns’. His teammates were shown laughing their asses off on the bench.

    Curry is therefore an outlier of the first order in terms of NBA talent/skills.

  235. I suppose the reason that their aren’t more black pitchers is the same as the reason there aren’t more black scientists , engineers , physicists and mathematicians : they are too stupid . They do however have a lock on rape , murder , assault , robbery and many other violent crimes that white people just can’t measure up to . And God knows they can bounce and toss a ball . As the medieval Arab writer al-Muqaddasī said : “As for the Zanj, they are people of black color, flat noses, kinky hair, and little understanding or intelligence.” He also said “”We know that the Zanj (blacks) are the least intelligent and the least discerning of mankind, and the least capable of understanding the consequences of actions.” Gee , does that seem to apply to the Zanj here in the USA?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The same writer said that "there is no marriage among them; the child does not know his father, and they eat people." This is clearly a slander as to American blacks - there is not a cannibal in the bunch.
  236. @donut
    I suppose the reason that their aren't more black pitchers is the same as the reason there aren't more black scientists , engineers , physicists and mathematicians : they are too stupid . They do however have a lock on rape , murder , assault , robbery and many other violent crimes that white people just can't measure up to . And God knows they can bounce and toss a ball . As the medieval Arab writer al-Muqaddasī said : "As for the Zanj, they are people of black color, flat noses, kinky hair, and little understanding or intelligence." He also said ""We know that the Zanj (blacks) are the least intelligent and the least discerning of mankind, and the least capable of understanding the consequences of actions." Gee , does that seem to apply to the Zanj here in the USA?

    The same writer said that “there is no marriage among them; the child does not know his father, and they eat people.” This is clearly a slander as to American blacks – there is not a cannibal in the bunch.

  237. Lacrosse stardom won’t get you a million dollar professional salary, but will likely get you into a Duke or Notre Dame or Ivy, followed by a great Wall Street gig.

    Junior Seau’s son plays for Duke lacrosse.

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