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On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg does these amazing long tweet data dive explorations of hot topics. For example, he has a new one inquiring into why liberal women are more likely to report being sexually harassed than conservative women.

I don’t think he has yet ruled out all other reasonable explanations. For example:

– Liberal women turned liberal because they were sexually harassed.

– Liberal men in liberal industries (e.g., Harvey Weinstein) are worse sexual harassers.

– Women in conservative industries (e.g., oil, aerospace) are rarer and thus have more sexual market bargaining power to get a ring put on it than in many liberal industries, such as media, where women are a dime a dozen.

– More conservative industries were subjected to federal sexual harassment regulations back in the 1990s, but liberal industries such as Hollywood assumed they were immune due to their superior morality and Washington connections. But when Obama got done cashing their 2012 campaign contribution checks, he let his minions turn their wrath on fat and happy liberal industries like media, tech, and universities.

But Goldberg has come up with a barnburner of a correlation I’d never heard of before, which you can read here.

 
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  1. >>>the more one finds rape sexually appealing, the more likely one is to report an experience of workplace sexual harassment. Alcohol consumption and having a job where one is often alone with others is also somewhat predictive, but number of sex partners + rape appeal..<<

    Ha, ha. The tingle. Precisely what Chateau/Roissey has been snarking about for the past decade.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Daniel H


    Precisely what Chateau/Roissey has been snarking about for the past decade.
     
    Speaking of the Chateau:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/08/30/from-fat-acceptance-to-fat-glorification-in-one-generation/

    Other than a tiny fetish subculture, how does anyone find this ham planet attractive?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tess_Holliday

    Holliday trains with a personal trainer four times a week, as well as hiking and swimming.
     
    Right, right....this totally happens. Like, totally.

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @pyrrhus
    @Daniel H

    Or maybe liberal women are just bigger drama queens than conservative women?...I think I've solved it!

  2. OT Compulsory bussing
    Arizona teachers just failed to put a huge tax hike on the November ballot because of a foreseeable issue and now they’re licking their wounds and talking about a rigged system.
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/184079596
    But notice what this guy lets slip out:

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @J.Ross

    Bussed in signature gatherers is par for the course. I meet them in front of WalMart every election cycle with all their zeal. When I ask where they come from it's always out of state.

    They're obnoxious jerks too. Probably consider themselves future politicians.

  3. OT (is it?) from the burn the coal, pay the toll dept:

    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death. “I just met this sexy-ass white bitch.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/late-night-liaison-charged-with-strangulation-of-former-playboy-model/ar-BBMCTNC?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    • LOL: L Woods
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Roderick Spode

    I don't understand why so many "white bitches" burn coal.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Roderick Spode

    She should have used protection.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anonymous
    @Roderick Spode

    Christina Carlin-Kraft’s 9-year boyfriend was Alexander Ciccotelli, Jr., a “handsome and successful Wall Street banker”. Ciccotelli told police he and Carlin-Kraft had been dating for about 14 years. He owned the fancy apartment where she lived and she decides to bring home some black guy she just met. And from that MSN article it’s not clear if you did the same think a couple nights before which resulted in that guy stealing stuff from the apartment.


    “Alex Ciccotelli Jr. and Kraft were definitely devoted to each other, he allegedly got the apartment for her and also have a house in Margate on the beach and they would come on vacations, sources said.”

    https://dailyentertainmentnews.com/breaking-news/christina-carlin-krafts-boyfriend-alex-ciccotelli-jr/
     

    While IMO white women are a big part of the collapse of Western civilization, white men have been accessories. Dude is a 42-year old rich Wall Street banker who had a Playboy model girlfriend he’d been dating since he was 28. Obviously now we know it probably wouldn’t have been smart to marry her, but he should’ve found a wife and had kids. He could’ve found a nice, smart Asian woman to marry and settled down with and have kids, instead of living in sin and helping to corrupt this Playboy model.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Roderick Spode

    , @Jack D
    @Roderick Spode

    Sad case. This happened in my area. There are very few murders here unless you pick up Negro felons downtown and bring them home at 3 AM (to the apartment that your boyfriend is paying for). The woman in question was a hot mess and a belligerent drunk. All the local bars knew not to serve her. Some of the details are still unclear - my guess is that she was going on Tinder or some such and looking for rough trade. But first she would drink herself into an alcoholic stupor. She was approaching the age where she was going to "hit the wall" and had nothing but her looks going for her so her life was effectively over anyway - she was headed for a bad end one way or another, but this was particularly bad. The felon beat her severely before strangling her with some sort of cord.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian, @bomag, @BenKenobi, @Chrisnonymous

    , @ATBOTL
    @Roderick Spode

    This case is about addiction to cocaine and/or heroin. The strangling part of these kinds of incidents happens when the woman physically resists sex.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Roderick Spode

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Roderick Spode

    “I just met this sexy-ass white bitch.”

    Shoud be read with this voice:

    Crank Yankers - Shoulda Sent It Sooner..

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Roderick Spode


    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death.
     
    Change "black" to "Canadian" and "strangles" to "shoots", and you've got Star 80.

    Bet today's hot young Hemingway won't be starring in that!

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Flip
    @Roderick Spode

    Drugs are bad

  4. (after actually reading the link)
    Wow, this guy has some massive set of carefully curated data to say that. I get why you didn’t just have it on the page. Only a matter of time before Rosie sees it.

    • Replies: @Criticas
    @J.Ross

    Grab the popcorn. Someone is about to learn what we are not allowed to notice.

  5. amazing long tweet data dive explorations of hot

    Had you said that particular string of words back in 1990, you’d have had your face slapped. It sounds like something out of Al Goldstein’s Screw, ca. 1972.

    Goldberg’s error here is calling these people “liberal”, which they’re not. They’re progressive, and the fundamental axiom of all progressivisms is “The ends justify the means.”

    Men who believe that are not going to keep their hands off the women around them. If they have a sex drive, that is. Many wonks don’t.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  6. On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg

    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call himself “Zach Goldberg” unless he really was.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar



    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg
     
    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call himself “Zach Goldberg” unless he really was.
     
    A Japanese guy went by the name Jack Wiseman, Jr. when he was in Hollywood producing some minor movies and trying to raise money. He thought that having a Jewish name would help. The movies he was producing were comedies, so it cannot be ruled out that the fake name may have been partly in jest.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2821152/

    The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymouse, @ChrisZ, @Anonymous, @Wilkey, @Anonymous

    , @Rohirrimborn
    @Reg Cæsar

    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call herself “Whoopi Goldberg” unless she really was but reality is stranger than our imaginations.

    , @Lucas McCrudy
    @Reg Cæsar

    There's Whoopie Goldberg... who's really not lol

    , @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call himself “Zach Goldberg” unless he really was.

    Why? It's a funny Jew-name, like Whoopi Goldberg. If he wanted a funny White name, he could be Zap Rowsdower.

  7. Whiskey is more concise.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Desiderius

    I always am.

    Best explanation. Liberal women work in media and Hollywood which are superstar driv en. See Matt Lauer.

  8. Some obvious possibilities:

    1. Conservative women are less likely to report minor unwanted contact or harassment formally as “sexual harassment”?

    2. Conservative women are less likely to put themselves in situations where harassment might occur more frequently (alone with a man)?

    3. Conservative women are more likely to confront the harasser at the time of the harassment (and put an end to it) rather than putting up with it, stewing about it, and then reporting it formally later?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    I like three: lefties are trained to see literally everything as an opportunity for government intervention.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @unpc downunder
    @Twinkie

    I would go for point one as the main explanation. Despite the surge in media reporting of sexual harassment, there hasn't been a corresponding surge in formal reporting of sexual harassment. And there isn't much of a correlation between how politically correct a woman is and how promiscuous she is. Class, IQ and personality would be the main factors determining sexual mores.

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Read the full Twitter thread, there's a graph that shows that conservative and liberal women have similar definitions of what does and does not constitute sexual harassment. 2 and 3 are more in line with his thesis: women who get harassed more are turned on by coercion and thus may subconsciously try to put themselves in positions where they experience it.

    Replies: @Corn

    , @sabril
    @Twinkie

    A related possibility: Conservative women are less likely to send out signals (by mannerisms or dress) indicating that they are receptive to sexual advances.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    2. Conservative women are less likely to put themselves in situations where harassment might occur more frequently (alone with a man)?

    3. Conservative women are more likely to confront the harasser at the time of the harassment (and put an end to it) rather than putting up with it, stewing about it, and then reporting it formally later?
     
    Agree. Good God-fearing girls are also good at communicating this stuff because they have clear idea and confidence in what is right and wrong. Former English professor turned street cop George Thompson:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5fRW1qlmbEE
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @Twinkie

    #3 leads to #1. If someone physically grabs you and you clock him, he is unlikely to want anyone to know about it.

    Of course, an expression of polite lack of interest is usually sufficient to prevent grabbing attempts.

  9. So, harassment follows her-ass-ment.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  10. Conservative women are less likely to be aggrieved, hysterical and looking for something to be outraged about.

  11. “To sum up: When it comes to ideological disparities in reporting, the data strongly points to sexual promiscuity/licentiousness (# of sex partners, “sexual kinkiness”) as important explanatory variables…”

    I’m wondering what could explain this correlation. Is it that men either consciously or subconsciously treat good girls differently from promiscuous girls? Is it that promiscuous girls tend to be head cases make up/exaggerate instances of sexual harassment?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @ayatollah

    "Is it that men either consciously or subconsciously treat good girls differently from promiscuous girls?"

    I'm sure that's the case (ignoring AWALT, as in most things behaviour lies on a spectrum).

    "Is it that promiscuous girls tend to be head cases make up/exaggerate instances of sexual harassment?"

    That's more contentious.

    , @JMcG
    @ayatollah

    Who was it that said one should treat a princess like a whore and a whore like a princess? I think I heard that at around the same time I watched Peter O’Toole drive a Brough Superior into a ditch.

  12. @Desiderius
    Whiskey is more concise.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    I always am.

    Best explanation. Liberal women work in media and Hollywood which are superstar driv en. See Matt Lauer.

  13. Pretty provocative thread. If you didn’t click on the link–click on the link and read to the end.

    I’ve always worked in relatively male dominated industries with relatively few females, and I can’t ever recall observing harassment; in fact I can only think of one workplace dalliance (which ended in marriage). The handful of women all dressed and acted conservatively. Looking at who they chose for husbands they seemed to go for ‘average’ levels of masculinity, although there were certainly plenty of highly masculine men available to them at work if that had been their preference.

    Perhaps I was in a bubble? Is it possible that relatively effeminate fields like media tend to attract relatively effeminate men as well as liberal/progressive women, and that leads to the dynamic that his paper describes? Men feel more confident making advances because there are so few of them. Women don’t want these advances because the men are undesirable and effeminate. Women long for more masculine/dominant men as alluded to in the data.

    Perhaps we read so much about sexual harassment because the media assumes that their workplace dynamic is typical of the whole country when in fact it is an outlier.

    The other thing I’ve noted is that industries that tend to attract more men than women also tend to attract more introverts. Tech/engineering is much more of an introvert magnet than media and I would guess this might confound the data a bit.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @SimpleSong

    Over the course of my life, employed in many different working environments, I've noticed a somewhat curvilinear relationship between the proportion of females in a work place and the amount of sexual hanky-panky. Places I worked that were mostly male seemed to have few, if any, sexual liaisons. As time went on, women entered the workplace in increasing numbers, and I worked in environments with larger numbers of women I began to notice that the amount of sexual hijinx went up as the proportion of women increased. However, towards the end of my career, I worked in a couple of environments that were mostly women and often managed by women. In these situations sexual misbehavior was almost as non-existent as in the male-dominated workplaces where I began my career. My suspicion is that the presence or absence of uncontrolled female competition for male sexual partners is at least part of the explanation for this pattern.

  14. @Twinkie
    Some obvious possibilities:

    1. Conservative women are less likely to report minor unwanted contact or harassment formally as "sexual harassment"?

    2. Conservative women are less likely to put themselves in situations where harassment might occur more frequently (alone with a man)?

    3. Conservative women are more likely to confront the harasser at the time of the harassment (and put an end to it) rather than putting up with it, stewing about it, and then reporting it formally later?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @sabril, @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy

    I like three: lefties are trained to see literally everything as an opportunity for government intervention.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    Well said.

    "Anything I like should be government subsidized if not mandatory. Anything I dislike should be taxed or banned."

    Replies: @Steve from Detroit, @ScarletNumber

  15. Being a progressive as a woman is a potential source of social power. It can be used to humiliate those they don’t like by making up/exaggerating/misunderstanding sexual harassment. Indeed, I’d bet that a number of the respondents simply said they’d been sexually harassed to the pollsters because it made them feel good/it was the ‘right’ thing to do

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  16. Loose women are going to attract more men making sexual advances. Isn’t that obvious?

    Men do not usually waste effort on conservative women who appear to be sexually faithful to their husbands.

    Also, conservative women are more likely to believe in individual responsibility, and deal with a problem herself, as opposed to liberals who like to portray women as victims.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Roger


    Loose women are going to attract more men making sexual advances. Isn’t that obvious?
     
    Yes, and it's also obvious that women who are attracted to macho swagger are going to attract more sexual advances, possibily despite themselves. Those of us who are attracted to thoughtful, unassuming guys are not going to attract sexual advances from those guys. They know we don't like them. The ones we do like aren't clueless, but you have to make a conscious effort to let them know you're interested.

    There seems to be some sort of presumption that workplace sexual advances are ok, as long as the man has reason to believe the woman is interested. This may or may not be true, depending on the circumstances. I certainly don't see any harm in asking a non-subordinate colleague for a date, so long as the man is willing to take no for an answer.

    Now, men misunderstand women's interest in being raped, such as it is. If you're not hot, we don't want you to ravish us. Is that clear? A non-hot guy can't make himself hot by turning into a rapist. You're likely to find yourself behind bars if you try it. On the other hand, if you're these guys, you may do as you like.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gnhXHvRoUd0

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Barnard
    @Roger

    Well Roger Ailes went after Gretchen Carlson despite the fact that she was married to a successful sports agent, came off as a prude, and showed absolutely no interest in his advances. He might be an exception to the rule though.

  17. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6109325/Sudanese-mother-son-stole-440-000-week-height-childcare-scam-sentenced-jail.html?

    According to The Australian, the judge said Deng had called investigators ‘stupid’ and indicated they weren’t smart enough to catch them.

    They were retarded to let them in the first place.

    • Agree: jim jones, Mr. Rational
  18. Yet another person who should know better referring to leftists as ‘liberals’.

  19. Anon[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg
     
    I can't imagine anyone wanting to call himself "Zach Goldberg" unless he really was.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rohirrimborn, @Lucas McCrudy, @Anon

    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg

    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call himself “Zach Goldberg” unless he really was.

    A Japanese guy went by the name Jack Wiseman, Jr. when he was in Hollywood producing some minor movies and trying to raise money. He thought that having a Jewish name would help. The movies he was producing were comedies, so it cannot be ruled out that the fake name may have been partly in jest.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2821152/

    The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Anon

    Jews aren't supposed to name children after a living relative.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @ScarletNumber, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anonymouse
    @Anon

    Yes, I'm named after my paternal grandfather who died way back around 1912 (as my father told me).

    , @ChrisZ
    @Anon


    There are no Jewish Juniors
     
    What about Sammy Davis, Jr.?

    ;)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon


    The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.
     
    Samuel Goldwyn, Jr.

    Replies: @Flip

    , @Wilkey
    @Anon

    As a general rule they don't. But the late Ed Bronfman, Sr. - the Seagrams heir and chairman of the World Jewish Congress - named his son after himself, so it does happen.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon


    "The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.
     
    There's a Jewish general prohibition--whether legalistic or merely traditional I do not know---against naming children after living persons.
  20. Asked if race might have anything to do with it, he looks up the women’s race.

    We see that “Zach” is not much of a crimethinker.

    But with non-liberalism being an ironclad proxy for racism (ask any liberal), we have to consider the hypothesis:

    For women, racism is protective against rape.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  21. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:

    I think that among the college educated crowd the words “rape” and “sexual assault” and “sexual harassment” have such broad definitions that there is no shame in being a victim. For whatever irrational reason, being rape-raped under the half-century-ago definition is shameful to most women. If you took one of these sexually harrassed and proud women and, rather than get her drunk and have fuzzily consensual sex with her, you threw her on the street in a sleezy part of town and she was violenty rape-raped by a scuzzy stranger or six, she might not be so quick to report it, or at least to let go of her anonymity.

  22. Of course you sexist misogenistic pig do not consider the possibility that liberal women are hotter and that men are unable to control themselves around women who are body positive and have more body piercing than those ugly conservative bitches.

    Sorry Steve, You Just Don’t Get It !!!!

    • LOL: Corn
    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @AKAHorace

    TD strikes again!!!

  23. Prog women are more are more promiscuous, and also report more harassment? Shocking!

    Did they ask about smoking cigarettes? I’m not joking. For women, cigarette smoking is a promiscuity ‘tell.’ And many prog women smoke, too, for some reason.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Did they ask about smoking cigarettes? I’m not joking. For women, cigarette smoking is a promiscuity ‘tell.’ And many prog women smoke, too, for some reason.
     
    Tattoos are probably the better tell these days.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @stillCARealist, @Fred Boynton, @Corn

    , @AndrewR
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    "If she smokes, she pokes."

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Iberiano
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    It used to be that tats and smoking (or unusual piercings) were tells also, but now with so many women having them...

    My #1 prog/SJW detector is still any form of dyed hair that is not a color naturally found in human hair. Green, blue, purple, hot pink. It's a warning flare and there for a reason.

  24. @Twinkie
    Some obvious possibilities:

    1. Conservative women are less likely to report minor unwanted contact or harassment formally as "sexual harassment"?

    2. Conservative women are less likely to put themselves in situations where harassment might occur more frequently (alone with a man)?

    3. Conservative women are more likely to confront the harasser at the time of the harassment (and put an end to it) rather than putting up with it, stewing about it, and then reporting it formally later?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @sabril, @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy

    I would go for point one as the main explanation. Despite the surge in media reporting of sexual harassment, there hasn’t been a corresponding surge in formal reporting of sexual harassment. And there isn’t much of a correlation between how politically correct a woman is and how promiscuous she is. Class, IQ and personality would be the main factors determining sexual mores.

  25. OT

    In an event yesterday that was livestreamed, Sarrazin presented his new book ‘Feindliche Übernahme’ — the video can be viewed here: Sarrazin: „Unsere Völker werden in Europa schnell und unwiderruflich zur Minderheit im eigenen Land – wenn wir so weitermachen“ (Native Europeans will soon become minorities in their own countries if nothing changes)

    PI News — Sarrazins neues Buch Aufklärung pur

    Sein Fazit (S. 349/350): die muslimische Bevölkerung in Deutschland und Europa wächst stark — Bildungsleistung und Arbeitsmarktbeteiligung dieser Muslime sind unterdurchschnittlich und geben wenig Hoffnung auf Verbesserung — Abhängigkeit von Sozialtransfers und Kriminalität sind überdurchschnittlich — die Integration lässt zu wünschen übrig und nimmt eher ab als zu

    Summary on pgs 349-350: the muslim population in Germany and Europe is growing rapidly; their educational attainment level and labor market participation are both below average, and show no signs of improving; their criminality and dependence on welfare and benefits is above average; etc etc

    So he revisits data and themes from his earlier book ‘Deutschland schafft sich ab’ that are familiar and should not really be controversial since his arguments are well-supported.

  26. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    Conservative women more likely to be married or in a serious long-term relationship, so aggressively hit on less.

    Conservative have fewer mentally unstable harpies who get some kind of emotional reward claiming/exaggerating how they were victimized. This aspect is 2 part: the individual personality difference, but also a social peer-group/family difference where less sympathy/brownie points are given. Instead of offering sympathy, male relatives, for instance, would want to send a message to the man.

    • Replies: @sabril
    @anon

    There are a lot of possible factors at work, but yeah, probably part of it is that liberalism -- especially feminism -- is a magnet for a lot of the mentally unstable women who are likely to exaggerate or lie about having been sexually harassed. Or to be in denial about their attraction to high-status men and later decide that they were sexually harassed. Or to do stupid things while on drugs or alcohol and later decide that they were sexually assaulted.

    Consider Trigglypuff (video below): If you asked her how often she has been sexually harassed, it seems pretty likely she would tell you it happens to her all the time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69tkCbeC5o

    , @unpc downunder
    @anon

    A highly questionable assumption. Conservative women are more likely to be working class than liberal women, and working class women are more likely to be in unstable relationships. Conversely, liberal women are more likely to be middle class, and middle class women are more likely to be in stable relationships. Liberal women can afford to have liberal values because they have other qualities which protect them from the negative consequences of being liberal.

  27. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Prog women are more are more promiscuous, and also report more harassment? Shocking!

    Did they ask about smoking cigarettes? I'm not joking. For women, cigarette smoking is a promiscuity 'tell.' And many prog women smoke, too, for some reason.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Iberiano

    Did they ask about smoking cigarettes? I’m not joking. For women, cigarette smoking is a promiscuity ‘tell.’ And many prog women smoke, too, for some reason.

    Tattoos are probably the better tell these days.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    "if she's got a tat, she'll let you hit that"

    , @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous

    Smoking is a class marker now. If you see a smoker, you're seeing someone below the middle class.

    , @Fred Boynton
    @Anonymous

    Drug use is another tell, including prescription drugs like anti-depressants.

    Common drunkenness is another obvious tell.

    , @Corn
    @Anonymous

    I hate tattoos, think they’re ugly, and have bored the iSteve commentariat with multiple rants against them. That said, they’ve become so mainstreamed I don’t think they’re a useful tell regarding promiscuity. Even a fair amount of Daddy’s little virgins or near virgins get the “it’s my body and I’m an adult” tattoo when they turn 18 or go off to college.

    I don’t think tats are a reliable slut tell, not anymore at least.

  28. Unfortunately, a large number of the kinds of people who would benefit from reading Zach Goldberg’s analysis lack both the numeracy and the capacity for dispassionate intellectual inquiry to absorb his multi-part tweet. For these people, simply asking questions, forming hypotheses, and reaching unexpected conclusions, rather than safe, expected ones, is…triggering.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  29. The “Slut factor” was the first thing to pop into my head, e.g. You get what you appear to invite even when you don’t really want it; but I can’t help but wonder the role of money in the increase of claims. This has become a big business, perhaps an industry. Getting big payouts for alleged harassment is a surer way to riches … short, hard hours with a guy or two beats long, hard years of work as just another one of the guys.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @The Alarmist


    You get what you appear to invite even when you don’t really want it;
     
    There are tons of cupcakes in corporate America who show up at the office dressed for yoga class or the nightclub.

    I'm pretty sure they know exactly what they're doing.
  30. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    Some obvious possibilities:

    1. Conservative women are less likely to report minor unwanted contact or harassment formally as "sexual harassment"?

    2. Conservative women are less likely to put themselves in situations where harassment might occur more frequently (alone with a man)?

    3. Conservative women are more likely to confront the harasser at the time of the harassment (and put an end to it) rather than putting up with it, stewing about it, and then reporting it formally later?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @sabril, @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy

    Read the full Twitter thread, there’s a graph that shows that conservative and liberal women have similar definitions of what does and does not constitute sexual harassment. 2 and 3 are more in line with his thesis: women who get harassed more are turned on by coercion and thus may subconsciously try to put themselves in positions where they experience it.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Anonymous

    “Read the full Twitter thread, there’s a graph that shows that conservative and liberal women have similar definitions of what does and does not constitute sexual harassment. ”

    Granted I’m not a woman but I’m surprised they have similar definitions.

    When I was a kid and first understanding the concept of sexual harassment I was taught harassment was along the lines of patting a coworker’s fanny or making a female colleague’s job/life difficult if she didn’t put out. Then it came to be defined as “that guy looked at me a second too long the day I wore that cute dress” or “Frank flipped through a copy of Playboy in the breakroom.”

    Replies: @Rosie

  31. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar



    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg
     
    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call himself “Zach Goldberg” unless he really was.
     
    A Japanese guy went by the name Jack Wiseman, Jr. when he was in Hollywood producing some minor movies and trying to raise money. He thought that having a Jewish name would help. The movies he was producing were comedies, so it cannot be ruled out that the fake name may have been partly in jest.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2821152/

    The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymouse, @ChrisZ, @Anonymous, @Wilkey, @Anonymous

    Jews aren’t supposed to name children after a living relative.

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Yes. An old Jewish superstition states that this practice may confuse the Angel of Death into accidentally taking the younger one first.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Score one for the Jews here. There is nothing more boring or narcissistic than naming your child after yourself. Plus the whole point of names is to distinguish people from each other.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Jews aren’t supposed to name children after a living relative.

     

    That's custom, not law, and only among the Ashkenazi. The Sephardi don't hold themselves to it.

    Similarly, Catholics aren't required to name a child after a saint, but for many years were expected to. So we all thought it was the law.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  32. @ayatollah
    "To sum up: When it comes to ideological disparities in reporting, the data strongly points to sexual promiscuity/licentiousness (# of sex partners, "sexual kinkiness") as important explanatory variables..."

    I'm wondering what could explain this correlation. Is it that men either consciously or subconsciously treat good girls differently from promiscuous girls? Is it that promiscuous girls tend to be head cases make up/exaggerate instances of sexual harassment?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @JMcG

    “Is it that men either consciously or subconsciously treat good girls differently from promiscuous girls?”

    I’m sure that’s the case (ignoring AWALT, as in most things behaviour lies on a spectrum).

    “Is it that promiscuous girls tend to be head cases make up/exaggerate instances of sexual harassment?”

    That’s more contentious.

  33. Here’s a hypothesis:

    Because there is a class of women who have a knot of expectations about what their social world is and should be and this manifests itself in politics conventionally termed ‘liberal’ while at the same time manifesting itself as a neuralgic response to day to day conflict and misunderstanding. Conduct that people from all walks of life might agree should be classified as tortious may be about as common an experience for women with one set of social views as it is for another, but it’s supplemented with a corona of incidents that liberal women complain about that ordinary women just brush off as a function of social life in an imperfect world. The number 1 #MeToo pusher in my circle is a young woman born in 1994 who could not have been more gently and attentively reared by her (professional-class) mother and father (who remain quite patient with her).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  34. • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
    @Anon

    Charles Murray is so great.

    As someone who witnessed the entire sorry spectacle, I can add this: we thought that the 60s counterculture, which really was the early 70s for most, died down. "The kids" grew up, most got married, had kids, paid a few taxes, and it was all in the rear window.

    We were wrong.

    The 60s generation inculcated their kids with their attitudes and these kids ended up in the top 50 unis and Ivies. Simultaneously the forces that worked upon them to create their crazy ideas worked on the rest of the public and produced a perfect storm of insanity.

    Long story short, we now have this:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/lying-journalists-transgender-reality/

    That's the bottom of the heap. The top of the heap is Chelsea Clinton, the daughter of two 60s radicals, and a complete and utter waste of space, living in a $10M co-op, getting book deals for books that don't sell, and in general, being a fucking useless PITA.

  35. https://me.me/i/follow-hey-racist-alt-righter-whiteness-will-be-completely-deconstructed-20362609

    Rich liberal women want black men as ornaments to show how liberal they are. It’s the equivalent of the trophy wife.

  36. Given the #MeToo lists of offenders I’ve seen, Zach is willfully ignoring which (((group))) responsible for the majority of cases.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/10/us/men-accused-sexual-misconduct-weinstein.html

  37. Confirmed liberal and lefty women will definitely sue. Sames as black women, they feel they are owed! And entitled to whatever their lawyer can get and steal from the employer. Generalizing here, but lib-lefty women see things as a lot more of a war between the sexes. They get ultra prudish, so view any friendly male co-worker gesture as male aggression or a male micro-aggression.

    This is the new prudishness, informed by #metoo extremism but more importantly informed by lesbianism, the man disliking kind. You have lovely, 100% hetero young ones who have taken key lesbian themes memes into their sexual outlook. This might take place in college.

    • Replies: @anom
    @clyde

    Nice work if you can get it:


    The St. Paul City Council will vote Wednesday on whether to settle a potential civil claim filed by a department director for $250,000.

    Jessica Kingston is the director of the Human Rights and Equal Economic Opportunity Department, or HREEO, which oversees contract analysis, procurement and printing for the city.

    Department employees also staff the Human Rights and Equal Economic Opportunity Commission, the Mayor’s Advisory Committee for People with Disabilities, and the Police Civilian Internal Affairs Review Commission.

    Kingston became HREEO director in September 2012.

    The seven-page settlement agreement, which Kingston signed Aug. 23, indicates she will be placed on paid leave of absence effective that same date through the end of her scheduled term of office in October.
     
  38. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar



    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg
     
    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call himself “Zach Goldberg” unless he really was.
     
    A Japanese guy went by the name Jack Wiseman, Jr. when he was in Hollywood producing some minor movies and trying to raise money. He thought that having a Jewish name would help. The movies he was producing were comedies, so it cannot be ruled out that the fake name may have been partly in jest.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2821152/

    The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymouse, @ChrisZ, @Anonymous, @Wilkey, @Anonymous

    Yes, I’m named after my paternal grandfather who died way back around 1912 (as my father told me).

  39. Liberal women got markedly more promiscuous after 2014.

  40. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar



    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg
     
    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call himself “Zach Goldberg” unless he really was.
     
    A Japanese guy went by the name Jack Wiseman, Jr. when he was in Hollywood producing some minor movies and trying to raise money. He thought that having a Jewish name would help. The movies he was producing were comedies, so it cannot be ruled out that the fake name may have been partly in jest.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2821152/

    The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymouse, @ChrisZ, @Anonymous, @Wilkey, @Anonymous

    There are no Jewish Juniors

    What about Sammy Davis, Jr.?

    😉

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @ChrisZ



    There are no Jewish Juniors

     

    What about Sammy Davis, Jr.?

     

    Sammi Davis III isn't Jewish, though.


    http://ingridrichter.info/cheese/graphics/L/lair_whiteworm/davis_sammi1.jpg
  41. @Roderick Spode
    OT (is it?) from the burn the coal, pay the toll dept:

    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death. "I just met this sexy-ass white bitch."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/late-night-liaison-charged-with-strangulation-of-former-playboy-model/ar-BBMCTNC?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    Replies: @AndrewR, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip

    I don’t understand why so many “white bitches” burn coal.

  42. @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    I like three: lefties are trained to see literally everything as an opportunity for government intervention.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Well said.

    “Anything I like should be government subsidized if not mandatory. Anything I dislike should be taxed or banned.”

    • Replies: @Steve from Detroit
    @AndrewR

    This is a great post and its simplicity makes it even more powerful. I will be using this.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @AndrewR

    Example: birth-control pills. There is nothing preventing women from buying their own, yet they literally make a federal case out of it if their employer doesn't provide them.

  43. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Prog women are more are more promiscuous, and also report more harassment? Shocking!

    Did they ask about smoking cigarettes? I'm not joking. For women, cigarette smoking is a promiscuity 'tell.' And many prog women smoke, too, for some reason.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Iberiano

    “If she smokes, she pokes.”

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @AndrewR

    But her mouth tastes like an ashtray.

  44. @Anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Did they ask about smoking cigarettes? I’m not joking. For women, cigarette smoking is a promiscuity ‘tell.’ And many prog women smoke, too, for some reason.
     
    Tattoos are probably the better tell these days.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @stillCARealist, @Fred Boynton, @Corn

    “if she’s got a tat, she’ll let you hit that”

  45. @Roderick Spode
    OT (is it?) from the burn the coal, pay the toll dept:

    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death. "I just met this sexy-ass white bitch."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/late-night-liaison-charged-with-strangulation-of-former-playboy-model/ar-BBMCTNC?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    Replies: @AndrewR, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip

    She should have used protection.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    She should have used protection.
     
    https://poserworld.com/content/images/thumbs/000/0001318_44-magnum-pistol-model_550.jpeg
  46. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Roderick Spode
    OT (is it?) from the burn the coal, pay the toll dept:

    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death. "I just met this sexy-ass white bitch."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/late-night-liaison-charged-with-strangulation-of-former-playboy-model/ar-BBMCTNC?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    Replies: @AndrewR, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip

    Christina Carlin-Kraft’s 9-year boyfriend was Alexander Ciccotelli, Jr., a “handsome and successful Wall Street banker”. Ciccotelli told police he and Carlin-Kraft had been dating for about 14 years. He owned the fancy apartment where she lived and she decides to bring home some black guy she just met. And from that MSN article it’s not clear if you did the same think a couple nights before which resulted in that guy stealing stuff from the apartment.

    “Alex Ciccotelli Jr. and Kraft were definitely devoted to each other, he allegedly got the apartment for her and also have a house in Margate on the beach and they would come on vacations, sources said.”

    https://dailyentertainmentnews.com/breaking-news/christina-carlin-krafts-boyfriend-alex-ciccotelli-jr/

    While IMO white women are a big part of the collapse of Western civilization, white men have been accessories. Dude is a 42-year old rich Wall Street banker who had a Playboy model girlfriend he’d been dating since he was 28. Obviously now we know it probably wouldn’t have been smart to marry her, but he should’ve found a wife and had kids. He could’ve found a nice, smart Asian woman to marry and settled down with and have kids, instead of living in sin and helping to corrupt this Playboy model.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Here’s another article with pics of Alexander Ciccotelli, Jr., her rich Wall Street banker boyfriend. He’ll no doubt start some virtue-signaling non-profit organization in her name even though she obviously preferred black male strangers to him.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6096147/Father-strangled-Playboy-model-speaks-out.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490

    , @Roderick Spode
    @Anonymous


    could’ve found a nice, smart Asian woman to marry and settled down with and have kids
     
    Nice try
  47. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Roderick Spode

    Christina Carlin-Kraft’s 9-year boyfriend was Alexander Ciccotelli, Jr., a “handsome and successful Wall Street banker”. Ciccotelli told police he and Carlin-Kraft had been dating for about 14 years. He owned the fancy apartment where she lived and she decides to bring home some black guy she just met. And from that MSN article it’s not clear if you did the same think a couple nights before which resulted in that guy stealing stuff from the apartment.


    “Alex Ciccotelli Jr. and Kraft were definitely devoted to each other, he allegedly got the apartment for her and also have a house in Margate on the beach and they would come on vacations, sources said.”

    https://dailyentertainmentnews.com/breaking-news/christina-carlin-krafts-boyfriend-alex-ciccotelli-jr/
     

    While IMO white women are a big part of the collapse of Western civilization, white men have been accessories. Dude is a 42-year old rich Wall Street banker who had a Playboy model girlfriend he’d been dating since he was 28. Obviously now we know it probably wouldn’t have been smart to marry her, but he should’ve found a wife and had kids. He could’ve found a nice, smart Asian woman to marry and settled down with and have kids, instead of living in sin and helping to corrupt this Playboy model.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Roderick Spode

    Here’s another article with pics of Alexander Ciccotelli, Jr., her rich Wall Street banker boyfriend. He’ll no doubt start some virtue-signaling non-profit organization in her name even though she obviously preferred black male strangers to him.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6096147/Father-strangled-Playboy-model-speaks-out.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490

  48. Unlike Baruch Ben Yehudah, I think the guy calling himself Zach Goldberg got the name because Mom & Dad gave him that name.

    But then, he could be Whoopi’s long lost son.

    “.the more one finds rape sexually appealing, the more likely one is to report an experience of workplace sexual harassment”

    Isn’t *Handmaid’s Tale* one big rape fantasy? That book was published in 1986, was briefly popular and sank to its own level. Then they made a movie in the early 90s with a terrific cast (Natasha Richardson, of blessed memory, if memory serves), and it was a total flop, and the book sank with it, although it was consistently required in gender studies courses.

    Then came the TV series and Trump and it’s *Handmaid’s Tale* everywhere. I never read the book, and I don’t have cable, but I’ve read about it, and the book’s ludicrous, central thesis is

    Rape Rape Rape.

  49. @Roderick Spode
    OT (is it?) from the burn the coal, pay the toll dept:

    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death. "I just met this sexy-ass white bitch."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/late-night-liaison-charged-with-strangulation-of-former-playboy-model/ar-BBMCTNC?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    Replies: @AndrewR, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip

    Sad case. This happened in my area. There are very few murders here unless you pick up Negro felons downtown and bring them home at 3 AM (to the apartment that your boyfriend is paying for). The woman in question was a hot mess and a belligerent drunk. All the local bars knew not to serve her. Some of the details are still unclear – my guess is that she was going on Tinder or some such and looking for rough trade. But first she would drink herself into an alcoholic stupor. She was approaching the age where she was going to “hit the wall” and had nothing but her looks going for her so her life was effectively over anyway – she was headed for a bad end one way or another, but this was particularly bad. The felon beat her severely before strangling her with some sort of cord.

    • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
    @Jack D

    I have my own black felon kills white radical woman story, but since it's no different from yours, I'll spare you.

    Can you try your hand with Chris and Shanann Watts? Does this prove that all white guys who are in over their heads financially are two steps away from slaughtering their pregnant wives and murdering their kids?

    Replies: @bomag

    , @bomag
    @Jack D

    Thanks for the added info.

    From my small personal sample, women in the glamour biz could use a better support system.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @BenKenobi
    @Jack D

    That's low/high time preference for you. Had he played it cool he would have had a few weeks or maybe even months worth of dalliances with this smokin' little thot. Instead he chose to rape and kill her. Sad!

    Replies: @Jack D, @njguy73

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Jack D

    Ardmore, PA... I went to Swarthmore College back in the day. I think I recall Ardmore was the poor black ghetto that students volunteered in. Do I mis-remember? What was a Playboy model doing there, and what are you doing there?

    Replies: @Tim of the North, @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

  50. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar



    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg
     
    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call himself “Zach Goldberg” unless he really was.
     
    A Japanese guy went by the name Jack Wiseman, Jr. when he was in Hollywood producing some minor movies and trying to raise money. He thought that having a Jewish name would help. The movies he was producing were comedies, so it cannot be ruled out that the fake name may have been partly in jest.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2821152/

    The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymouse, @ChrisZ, @Anonymous, @Wilkey, @Anonymous

    The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.

    Samuel Goldwyn, Jr.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Anonymous

    His mother was Catholic. I don't know if Jr. was raised Jewish or Catholic.

  51. @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqKvvx764Q0

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian

    Charles Murray is so great.

    As someone who witnessed the entire sorry spectacle, I can add this: we thought that the 60s counterculture, which really was the early 70s for most, died down. “The kids” grew up, most got married, had kids, paid a few taxes, and it was all in the rear window.

    We were wrong.

    The 60s generation inculcated their kids with their attitudes and these kids ended up in the top 50 unis and Ivies. Simultaneously the forces that worked upon them to create their crazy ideas worked on the rest of the public and produced a perfect storm of insanity.

    Long story short, we now have this:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/lying-journalists-transgender-reality/

    That’s the bottom of the heap. The top of the heap is Chelsea Clinton, the daughter of two 60s radicals, and a complete and utter waste of space, living in a $10M co-op, getting book deals for books that don’t sell, and in general, being a fucking useless PITA.

  52. @anon
    Conservative women more likely to be married or in a serious long-term relationship, so aggressively hit on less.

    Conservative have fewer mentally unstable harpies who get some kind of emotional reward claiming/exaggerating how they were victimized. This aspect is 2 part: the individual personality difference, but also a social peer-group/family difference where less sympathy/brownie points are given. Instead of offering sympathy, male relatives, for instance, would want to send a message to the man.

    Replies: @sabril, @unpc downunder

    There are a lot of possible factors at work, but yeah, probably part of it is that liberalism — especially feminism — is a magnet for a lot of the mentally unstable women who are likely to exaggerate or lie about having been sexually harassed. Or to be in denial about their attraction to high-status men and later decide that they were sexually harassed. Or to do stupid things while on drugs or alcohol and later decide that they were sexually assaulted.

    Consider Trigglypuff (video below): If you asked her how often she has been sexually harassed, it seems pretty likely she would tell you it happens to her all the time.

  53. @Jack D
    @Roderick Spode

    Sad case. This happened in my area. There are very few murders here unless you pick up Negro felons downtown and bring them home at 3 AM (to the apartment that your boyfriend is paying for). The woman in question was a hot mess and a belligerent drunk. All the local bars knew not to serve her. Some of the details are still unclear - my guess is that she was going on Tinder or some such and looking for rough trade. But first she would drink herself into an alcoholic stupor. She was approaching the age where she was going to "hit the wall" and had nothing but her looks going for her so her life was effectively over anyway - she was headed for a bad end one way or another, but this was particularly bad. The felon beat her severely before strangling her with some sort of cord.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian, @bomag, @BenKenobi, @Chrisnonymous

    I have my own black felon kills white radical woman story, but since it’s no different from yours, I’ll spare you.

    Can you try your hand with Chris and Shanann Watts? Does this prove that all white guys who are in over their heads financially are two steps away from slaughtering their pregnant wives and murdering their kids?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Obsessive Contrarian


    I have my own black felon kills white radical woman story
     
    OJ?

    try your hand with...
     
    Percentages, man, percentages.
  54. @Twinkie
    Some obvious possibilities:

    1. Conservative women are less likely to report minor unwanted contact or harassment formally as "sexual harassment"?

    2. Conservative women are less likely to put themselves in situations where harassment might occur more frequently (alone with a man)?

    3. Conservative women are more likely to confront the harasser at the time of the harassment (and put an end to it) rather than putting up with it, stewing about it, and then reporting it formally later?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @sabril, @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy

    A related possibility: Conservative women are less likely to send out signals (by mannerisms or dress) indicating that they are receptive to sexual advances.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @sabril

    Good one.

  55. I would use this as a cautionary tale to guard very carefully against the urge to take the correlation bait. Remember, you are not obligated to attempt to explain a purported correlation, nor to concede the premises on which the correlation is asserted. Once you do, the answer you arrive at will only be that which is implicit in the form of the question. It is not the truth or the world you discover, but yourself, i.e. the structure of your own mental activity.

  56. @Jack D
    @Roderick Spode

    Sad case. This happened in my area. There are very few murders here unless you pick up Negro felons downtown and bring them home at 3 AM (to the apartment that your boyfriend is paying for). The woman in question was a hot mess and a belligerent drunk. All the local bars knew not to serve her. Some of the details are still unclear - my guess is that she was going on Tinder or some such and looking for rough trade. But first she would drink herself into an alcoholic stupor. She was approaching the age where she was going to "hit the wall" and had nothing but her looks going for her so her life was effectively over anyway - she was headed for a bad end one way or another, but this was particularly bad. The felon beat her severely before strangling her with some sort of cord.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian, @bomag, @BenKenobi, @Chrisnonymous

    Thanks for the added info.

    From my small personal sample, women in the glamour biz could use a better support system.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @bomag

    Maybe this is true in general but this woman had a long term boyfriend. Some here may fault him because he stayed with her for 14 years and never married her. During this period her SMV declined from pretty high to just about expired at age 36. However, she was a known belligerent drunk and he was probably afraid to marry her, but didn't want to abandon her either (her modeling career, never that spectacular to begin with, must have been drawing to an end and she had no other skills) so he had bought a condo and ensconced her in it shortly before her death. Given her known behavior immediately before her death and in the past, she was probably uncontrollable - if she hadn't been a drunk and had listened to his advice he probably would have married her long ago. Sometimes people are their own worst enemies. Being a beautiful woman seems to especially mess with your head. Some women are able to ride the tiger of their own beauty but many others fall off.

    Replies: @bomag

  57. Anonymous [AKA "I am making a comment"] says:

    – Liberal women turned liberal because they were sexually harassed.

    – Half joking but liberal women are more likely to convert to Islam than go liberal after being sexually harassed.

  58. Ugly and obese women are more likely to be lonely, resentful cat ladies…..
    This resentment and jealousy of prettier women and the alpha male attention this triggers leads to myriad mental issues (both large and small)……
    Leftism is but one of these mental issues. Not content to take a small sip of the leftist kool aid but a frat boy beer funnel size gulp, these leftists turn minor slights and adverse decisions by male coworkers or bosses into sexual harassment federal cases.

    Well known to the folks savvy to hbd, ISteve, Chateau heartiste, Roosh, et al, the normal women I know despise these leftist harpie women as much and often even more than men do.

  59. @Roger
    Loose women are going to attract more men making sexual advances. Isn't that obvious?

    Men do not usually waste effort on conservative women who appear to be sexually faithful to their husbands.

    Also, conservative women are more likely to believe in individual responsibility, and deal with a problem herself, as opposed to liberals who like to portray women as victims.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Barnard

    Loose women are going to attract more men making sexual advances. Isn’t that obvious?

    Yes, and it’s also obvious that women who are attracted to macho swagger are going to attract more sexual advances, possibily despite themselves. Those of us who are attracted to thoughtful, unassuming guys are not going to attract sexual advances from those guys. They know we don’t like them. The ones we do like aren’t clueless, but you have to make a conscious effort to let them know you’re interested.

    There seems to be some sort of presumption that workplace sexual advances are ok, as long as the man has reason to believe the woman is interested. This may or may not be true, depending on the circumstances. I certainly don’t see any harm in asking a non-subordinate colleague for a date, so long as the man is willing to take no for an answer.

    Now, men misunderstand women’s interest in being raped, such as it is. If you’re not hot, we don’t want you to ravish us. Is that clear? A non-hot guy can’t make himself hot by turning into a rapist. You’re likely to find yourself behind bars if you try it. On the other hand, if you’re these guys, you may do as you like.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Rosie

    Notice that I rule out desired rape as a logical possibility. You can't rape the willing, at least not in real life. That's why we call them fantasies. This sh!t used to be common sense before the MGTards came along and complicated the subject.

  60. It’s true that a lot of outwardly “liberated” women love to play scenes where they are the captive and you are the big, bad man. Slave fantasies, mild bondage, spanking, you name it.

    This is not true for all women, but it is for a surprisingly large number, whatever their political acts or masks may be.

    The thing is, the lefty ones can go on over coffee the next day about “men” in the abstract, as if they weren’t just begging to play the wench the day before. Conservative women just enjoy being female — and are not weak or inferior because of it.

  61. @The Alarmist
    The "Slut factor" was the first thing to pop into my head, e.g. You get what you appear to invite even when you don't really want it; but I can't help but wonder the role of money in the increase of claims. This has become a big business, perhaps an industry. Getting big payouts for alleged harassment is a surer way to riches ... short, hard hours with a guy or two beats long, hard years of work as just another one of the guys.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    You get what you appear to invite even when you don’t really want it;

    There are tons of cupcakes in corporate America who show up at the office dressed for yoga class or the nightclub.

    I’m pretty sure they know exactly what they’re doing.

  62. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Prog women are more are more promiscuous, and also report more harassment? Shocking!

    Did they ask about smoking cigarettes? I'm not joking. For women, cigarette smoking is a promiscuity 'tell.' And many prog women smoke, too, for some reason.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Iberiano

    It used to be that tats and smoking (or unusual piercings) were tells also, but now with so many women having them…

    My #1 prog/SJW detector is still any form of dyed hair that is not a color naturally found in human hair. Green, blue, purple, hot pink. It’s a warning flare and there for a reason.

  63. @Rosie
    @Roger


    Loose women are going to attract more men making sexual advances. Isn’t that obvious?
     
    Yes, and it's also obvious that women who are attracted to macho swagger are going to attract more sexual advances, possibily despite themselves. Those of us who are attracted to thoughtful, unassuming guys are not going to attract sexual advances from those guys. They know we don't like them. The ones we do like aren't clueless, but you have to make a conscious effort to let them know you're interested.

    There seems to be some sort of presumption that workplace sexual advances are ok, as long as the man has reason to believe the woman is interested. This may or may not be true, depending on the circumstances. I certainly don't see any harm in asking a non-subordinate colleague for a date, so long as the man is willing to take no for an answer.

    Now, men misunderstand women's interest in being raped, such as it is. If you're not hot, we don't want you to ravish us. Is that clear? A non-hot guy can't make himself hot by turning into a rapist. You're likely to find yourself behind bars if you try it. On the other hand, if you're these guys, you may do as you like.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gnhXHvRoUd0

    Replies: @Rosie

    Notice that I rule out desired rape as a logical possibility. You can’t rape the willing, at least not in real life. That’s why we call them fantasies. This sh!t used to be common sense before the MGTards came along and complicated the subject.

  64. @Daniel H
    >>>the more one finds rape sexually appealing, the more likely one is to report an experience of workplace sexual harassment. Alcohol consumption and having a job where one is often alone with others is also somewhat predictive, but number of sex partners + rape appeal..<<

    Ha, ha. The tingle. Precisely what Chateau/Roissey has been snarking about for the past decade.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @pyrrhus

    Precisely what Chateau/Roissey has been snarking about for the past decade.

    Speaking of the Chateau:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/08/30/from-fat-acceptance-to-fat-glorification-in-one-generation/

    Other than a tiny fetish subculture, how does anyone find this ham planet attractive?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tess_Holliday

    Holliday trains with a personal trainer four times a week, as well as hiking and swimming.

    Right, right….this totally happens. Like, totally.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    Right, right….this totally happens. Like, totally.
     
    Actually, it can happen. Exercising doesn't help if you eat too much. Any mother of numerous children knows that some struggle with their weight from an early age and others don't. Along with IQ, the genetic basis of obesity will become evident soon enough. Doctors need to loosen up on phentermine or find another pharmaceutical appetite suppressant. Women aren't interested in going hungry to maintain their weight.

    Replies: @Rosie

  65. @Roger
    Loose women are going to attract more men making sexual advances. Isn't that obvious?

    Men do not usually waste effort on conservative women who appear to be sexually faithful to their husbands.

    Also, conservative women are more likely to believe in individual responsibility, and deal with a problem herself, as opposed to liberals who like to portray women as victims.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Barnard

    Well Roger Ailes went after Gretchen Carlson despite the fact that she was married to a successful sports agent, came off as a prude, and showed absolutely no interest in his advances. He might be an exception to the rule though.

  66. @Reg Cæsar

    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg
     
    I can't imagine anyone wanting to call himself "Zach Goldberg" unless he really was.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rohirrimborn, @Lucas McCrudy, @Anon

    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call herself “Whoopi Goldberg” unless she really was but reality is stranger than our imaginations.

  67. 1) Conservative women are more likely to be married, and that attracts less “harrassment.” Never forget the marriage gap.

    2) Younger women in general tend to be more liberal (and also more attractive). Older women just aren’t going to be harassed as much.

    3) Conservative women tend to dress less scantily and are more aware of themselves (and their motives) when they’re doing it. “Of course I’m getting a lot of men staring at me. That’s why I wore these clothes!” – it’s the same lack of self-awareness leftists exhibit in so many other ways.

    4) But mostly it’s just victim mentality plus the failure to consider the consequences of your actions (e.g., wearing scanty clothes, getting really drunk, and acting flirty with one or more guys might make them think you actually, you know, want to do something with them).

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Wilkey

    There's a basic power issue here. A married woman has a husband who just might beat the tar out of a harasser if the woman complains. Harassers are opportunists, and they shy away from anything really dangerous and head for the soft targets.

  68. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar



    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg
     
    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call himself “Zach Goldberg” unless he really was.
     
    A Japanese guy went by the name Jack Wiseman, Jr. when he was in Hollywood producing some minor movies and trying to raise money. He thought that having a Jewish name would help. The movies he was producing were comedies, so it cannot be ruled out that the fake name may have been partly in jest.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2821152/

    The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymouse, @ChrisZ, @Anonymous, @Wilkey, @Anonymous

    As a general rule they don’t. But the late Ed Bronfman, Sr. – the Seagrams heir and chairman of the World Jewish Congress – named his son after himself, so it does happen.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Wilkey

    Yeah, I kinda didn't think the details and footnotes were relevant to the anecdote. Sephardic Jews do it rather frequently. But L.A. Ashkenazi Jews in the business don't, even if daddy is dead.

  69. Or
    -conservativesl women are less attractive

    Reminds me of alien abduction stories. Annually China continues to have zero while the US has some greater number despite having less people. Ergo, aliens dislike Chinese people.

    A Chinese acquaintance once explained that they would be more likely to attribute strange events to ghosts instead.

    Another explanation, liberals interpret ordinary interactions quite differently.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  70. @Jack D
    @Roderick Spode

    Sad case. This happened in my area. There are very few murders here unless you pick up Negro felons downtown and bring them home at 3 AM (to the apartment that your boyfriend is paying for). The woman in question was a hot mess and a belligerent drunk. All the local bars knew not to serve her. Some of the details are still unclear - my guess is that she was going on Tinder or some such and looking for rough trade. But first she would drink herself into an alcoholic stupor. She was approaching the age where she was going to "hit the wall" and had nothing but her looks going for her so her life was effectively over anyway - she was headed for a bad end one way or another, but this was particularly bad. The felon beat her severely before strangling her with some sort of cord.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian, @bomag, @BenKenobi, @Chrisnonymous

    That’s low/high time preference for you. Had he played it cool he would have had a few weeks or maybe even months worth of dalliances with this smokin’ little thot. Instead he chose to rape and kill her. Sad!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @BenKenobi

    We don't know the details yet but given her history of belligerent drunkenness, my guess is that things started off well (he texted a friend that he was with a hot white bitch (his words) at her crib) but that at some point she showed "disrepec' '" (she has mouthed off many times in local taverns and the worst that happened was she was thrown out - once in NY she got arrested but got off) and he slugged her instantly. At that point he realized that he was in trouble (recent felon out on parole) and that he had better finish the matter and hope to get away. So instead of a couple of more years for assault, now he is looking at life (PA has the death penalty but they never execute anyone). Not a well thought out plan but no one ever accused him of being bright.

    , @njguy73
    @BenKenobi


    That’s low/high time preference for you. Had he played it cool he would have had a few weeks or maybe even months worth of dalliances with this smokin’ little thot.
     
    That's the conundrum. Men with low time preferences (those able to defer gratification) tend to stay away from places where thots gather, be it bars or dating apps. Those types of men are busy working to acquire resources so they can form stable families with low-time-preference women (yes, they exist.)

    And we live in a society where the best-looking women are rewarding for going into fields where they need to grab what they can ASAP. Models and actresses don't have the luxury of developing 30-year career plans. You can be the It Girl at 22, and a has-been at 26.

    Replies: @L Woods

  71. So sluttish chicks like bad boy sex. Who knew?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Stick


    So sluttish chicks like bad boy sex. Who knew?
     
    As do frigid chicks, according to Whiskey.
  72. @J.Ross
    OT Compulsory bussing
    Arizona teachers just failed to put a huge tax hike on the November ballot because of a foreseeable issue and now they're licking their wounds and talking about a rigged system.
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/184079596
    But notice what this guy lets slip out:
    https://twitter.com/JoshRBuckley/status/1035029188787331072

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    Bussed in signature gatherers is par for the course. I meet them in front of WalMart every election cycle with all their zeal. When I ask where they come from it’s always out of state.

    They’re obnoxious jerks too. Probably consider themselves future politicians.

  73. @Reg Cæsar

    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg
     
    I can't imagine anyone wanting to call himself "Zach Goldberg" unless he really was.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rohirrimborn, @Lucas McCrudy, @Anon

    There’s Whoopie Goldberg… who’s really not lol

  74. @Anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Did they ask about smoking cigarettes? I’m not joking. For women, cigarette smoking is a promiscuity ‘tell.’ And many prog women smoke, too, for some reason.
     
    Tattoos are probably the better tell these days.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @stillCARealist, @Fred Boynton, @Corn

    Smoking is a class marker now. If you see a smoker, you’re seeing someone below the middle class.

  75. @Roderick Spode
    OT (is it?) from the burn the coal, pay the toll dept:

    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death. "I just met this sexy-ass white bitch."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/late-night-liaison-charged-with-strangulation-of-former-playboy-model/ar-BBMCTNC?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    Replies: @AndrewR, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip

    This case is about addiction to cocaine and/or heroin. The strangling part of these kinds of incidents happens when the woman physically resists sex.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ATBOTL


    This case is about addiction to cocaine and/or heroin. The strangling part of these kinds of incidents happens when the woman physically resists sex.
     
    What? Who was the addict? Please explain.
    , @Jack D
    @ATBOTL

    Not clear that is what happened. The woman was known to be an alcoholic but not a drug addict. She met these men downtown in the middle of the night (this was apparently not the 1st - the one the previous week only robbed her) and brought them back to her apartment all the way from downtown Philly - a distance of 10 miles. If she just wanted to buy drugs then she didn't need to bring them back home. So far the medical examiner has not mentioned drugs and no drug paraphernalia was found at the scene, at least according to the public information. It's possible that she didn't have any cash and offered to trade sex for drugs, but in the surveillance video that was captured, she is hanging affectionately onto Brotha Do Rag - they have blurred her out of the video but the body language indicates that she loves chocolate and would make Tiny Duck proud. Brotha Do Rag doesn't indicate in his tweets to his friend that he is there for a drug deal - he is there to have fun with a white bitch.

    , @Roderick Spode
    @ATBOTL

    Good thought. It's possible that he was her dealer. We will have to wait for more information.

  76. I hope that Zach Goldberg is a nom de plume, because whoever he is, he’s about to become burnt toast.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  77. @Reg Cæsar

    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg
     
    I can't imagine anyone wanting to call himself "Zach Goldberg" unless he really was.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rohirrimborn, @Lucas McCrudy, @Anon

    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call himself “Zach Goldberg” unless he really was.

    Why? It’s a funny Jew-name, like Whoopi Goldberg. If he wanted a funny White name, he could be Zap Rowsdower.

  78. My wife and her friend were laughing about the crudeness they encountered during their first jobs in food service, and neither felt that they had been sexually harassed. They did mention that by today’s standards things they found annoying or comical would be grounds for multiple lawsuits. Western culture has gotten a lot more prissy in general, but leftists are more uptight about almost everything.

  79. @clyde
    Confirmed liberal and lefty women will definitely sue. Sames as black women, they feel they are owed! And entitled to whatever their lawyer can get and steal from the employer. Generalizing here, but lib-lefty women see things as a lot more of a war between the sexes. They get ultra prudish, so view any friendly male co-worker gesture as male aggression or a male micro-aggression.

    This is the new prudishness, informed by #metoo extremism but more importantly informed by lesbianism, the man disliking kind. You have lovely, 100% hetero young ones who have taken key lesbian themes memes into their sexual outlook. This might take place in college.

    Replies: @anom

    Nice work if you can get it:

    The St. Paul City Council will vote Wednesday on whether to settle a potential civil claim filed by a department director for $250,000.

    Jessica Kingston is the director of the Human Rights and Equal Economic Opportunity Department, or HREEO, which oversees contract analysis, procurement and printing for the city.

    Department employees also staff the Human Rights and Equal Economic Opportunity Commission, the Mayor’s Advisory Committee for People with Disabilities, and the Police Civilian Internal Affairs Review Commission.

    Kingston became HREEO director in September 2012.

    The seven-page settlement agreement, which Kingston signed Aug. 23, indicates she will be placed on paid leave of absence effective that same date through the end of her scheduled term of office in October.

  80. @Jack D
    @Roderick Spode

    Sad case. This happened in my area. There are very few murders here unless you pick up Negro felons downtown and bring them home at 3 AM (to the apartment that your boyfriend is paying for). The woman in question was a hot mess and a belligerent drunk. All the local bars knew not to serve her. Some of the details are still unclear - my guess is that she was going on Tinder or some such and looking for rough trade. But first she would drink herself into an alcoholic stupor. She was approaching the age where she was going to "hit the wall" and had nothing but her looks going for her so her life was effectively over anyway - she was headed for a bad end one way or another, but this was particularly bad. The felon beat her severely before strangling her with some sort of cord.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian, @bomag, @BenKenobi, @Chrisnonymous

    Ardmore, PA… I went to Swarthmore College back in the day. I think I recall Ardmore was the poor black ghetto that students volunteered in. Do I mis-remember? What was a Playboy model doing there, and what are you doing there?

    • Replies: @Tim of the North
    @Chrisnonymous

    I lived in an apartment in Ardmore in the mid seventies. It had a mix of college aged students, middle class houses and a black section, not too bad. I lived next to the black section and it was pretty tame.

    , @Jack D
    @Chrisnonymous

    Ardmore has a small black neighborhood that is rapidly gentrifying but this was not in the black area - this was in a brand new condominium building literally on the other side of the tracks and adjacent to the upscale Suburban Square shopping center. (Historically the "good" part of the Main Line was north of the tracks and the "servants" lived south of the railroad). I don't live in Ardmore but I live in the area.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Chrisnonymous


    Ardmore, PA… I went to Swarthmore College back in the day. I think I recall Ardmore was the poor black ghetto that students volunteered in. Do I mis-remember? What was a Playboy model doing there, and what are you doing there?
     
    Because Swarthmore can't hold a candle to Moreswarthy.
  81. @J.Ross
    (after actually reading the link)
    Wow, this guy has some massive set of carefully curated data to say that. I get why you didn't just have it on the page. Only a matter of time before Rosie sees it.

    Replies: @Criticas

    Grab the popcorn. Someone is about to learn what we are not allowed to notice.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  82. @Anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Did they ask about smoking cigarettes? I’m not joking. For women, cigarette smoking is a promiscuity ‘tell.’ And many prog women smoke, too, for some reason.
     
    Tattoos are probably the better tell these days.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @stillCARealist, @Fred Boynton, @Corn

    Drug use is another tell, including prescription drugs like anti-depressants.

    Common drunkenness is another obvious tell.

  83. @Wilkey
    @Anon

    As a general rule they don't. But the late Ed Bronfman, Sr. - the Seagrams heir and chairman of the World Jewish Congress - named his son after himself, so it does happen.

    Replies: @Anon

    Yeah, I kinda didn’t think the details and footnotes were relevant to the anecdote. Sephardic Jews do it rather frequently. But L.A. Ashkenazi Jews in the business don’t, even if daddy is dead.

  84. I work in tech which is, as the others have observed, a rather male-dominated profession. The only case of sexual harassment complaints I’ve ever observed were made against a rather immature 30-ish guy who was teasing a female colleague in a completely non-sexual way. She was an overweight and hyper-sensitive East Coast lefty who saw every slight as sexism, never considering that the cause of her unpopularity may have been her abrasive personality. The company put the guy on probation but he was soon fired after making a flippant remark to our workplace tranny.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Fidelios Automata

    By the time you have any SJWs or trannies as employees, you're 90% of the way to being screwed as a business.  Management should take every opportunity to write them up and encourage them to pursue other employment.

  85. So if sexual harassment allegations are contingent on rape fantasies, general kinkiness…

    …and there was an uptick c. 2017, but, apparently, beginning c. 2010 (unless I misread the graphs)…

    …is there a possibility that the popularity of 2011’s Fifty Shades of Grey might be partially driving things?

  86. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Anon

    Jews aren't supposed to name children after a living relative.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @ScarletNumber, @Reg Cæsar

    Yes. An old Jewish superstition states that this practice may confuse the Angel of Death into accidentally taking the younger one first.

  87. One other incident I forgot: in the 1980’s before the rash of “workplace harassment” law, one of my fellow engineers innocently patted the knee of one of our co-workers, a gorgeous young Latina engineer. She looked like she was ready to kill him. I’m sure he never did anything like that again. 🙂

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    @Fidelios Automata


    innocently patted the knee of one of our co-workers,
     
    Did he “innocently” pat the knees of his male co-workers, too?

    Dude was a handsy, condescending creep, don’t make excuses for him no matter what decade it was. (I bet he was a couple of decades older than her, too.) Would you be ok with male co-workers patting your wife or girlfriend’s knee?
  88. @Anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Did they ask about smoking cigarettes? I’m not joking. For women, cigarette smoking is a promiscuity ‘tell.’ And many prog women smoke, too, for some reason.
     
    Tattoos are probably the better tell these days.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @stillCARealist, @Fred Boynton, @Corn

    I hate tattoos, think they’re ugly, and have bored the iSteve commentariat with multiple rants against them. That said, they’ve become so mainstreamed I don’t think they’re a useful tell regarding promiscuity. Even a fair amount of Daddy’s little virgins or near virgins get the “it’s my body and I’m an adult” tattoo when they turn 18 or go off to college.

    I don’t think tats are a reliable slut tell, not anymore at least.

  89. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Read the full Twitter thread, there's a graph that shows that conservative and liberal women have similar definitions of what does and does not constitute sexual harassment. 2 and 3 are more in line with his thesis: women who get harassed more are turned on by coercion and thus may subconsciously try to put themselves in positions where they experience it.

    Replies: @Corn

    “Read the full Twitter thread, there’s a graph that shows that conservative and liberal women have similar definitions of what does and does not constitute sexual harassment. ”

    Granted I’m not a woman but I’m surprised they have similar definitions.

    When I was a kid and first understanding the concept of sexual harassment I was taught harassment was along the lines of patting a coworker’s fanny or making a female colleague’s job/life difficult if she didn’t put out. Then it came to be defined as “that guy looked at me a second too long the day I wore that cute dress” or “Frank flipped through a copy of Playboy in the breakroom.”

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Corn


    When I was a kid and first understanding the concept of sexual harassment I was taught harassment was along the lines of patting a coworker’s fanny or making a female colleague’s job/life difficult if she didn’t put out. Then it came to be defined as “that guy looked at me a second too long the day I wore that cute dress” or “Frank flipped through a copy of Playboy in the breakroom.”
     
    It doesn't surprise me at all. Liberal and conservative women disagree on many things, but the nature of workplace sexual harassment is not one of them. Here is the thing you need to understand: Corporate harassment policies are not determined by women's actual sensitivities. They are determined by lawyers whose job is to protect their clients from legal liability, so the question of whether a certain act is or is not SH depends not on whether your average woman would find it intimidating, humiliating, or offensive, but rather on whether the most sensitive and litigious women might prevail in a lawsuit against the organization for unlawful sexual harassment.
    Once you understand that, everything begins to make more sense.

    That said, I would guess that virtually all women, liberal, conservative, communist, or reactionary, would consider it sexual harassment if a coworker whips out a copy of Playboy magazine on the break room.
  90. @Daniel H
    >>>the more one finds rape sexually appealing, the more likely one is to report an experience of workplace sexual harassment. Alcohol consumption and having a job where one is often alone with others is also somewhat predictive, but number of sex partners + rape appeal..<<

    Ha, ha. The tingle. Precisely what Chateau/Roissey has been snarking about for the past decade.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @pyrrhus

    Or maybe liberal women are just bigger drama queens than conservative women?…I think I’ve solved it!

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  91. @Roderick Spode
    OT (is it?) from the burn the coal, pay the toll dept:

    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death. "I just met this sexy-ass white bitch."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/late-night-liaison-charged-with-strangulation-of-former-playboy-model/ar-BBMCTNC?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    Replies: @AndrewR, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip

    “I just met this sexy-ass white bitch.”

    Shoud be read with this voice:

    Crank Yankers – Shoulda Sent It Sooner..

  92. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    Well said.

    "Anything I like should be government subsidized if not mandatory. Anything I dislike should be taxed or banned."

    Replies: @Steve from Detroit, @ScarletNumber

    This is a great post and its simplicity makes it even more powerful. I will be using this.

  93. @Chrisnonymous
    @Jack D

    Ardmore, PA... I went to Swarthmore College back in the day. I think I recall Ardmore was the poor black ghetto that students volunteered in. Do I mis-remember? What was a Playboy model doing there, and what are you doing there?

    Replies: @Tim of the North, @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    I lived in an apartment in Ardmore in the mid seventies. It had a mix of college aged students, middle class houses and a black section, not too bad. I lived next to the black section and it was pretty tame.

  94. @SimpleSong
    Pretty provocative thread. If you didn't click on the link--click on the link and read to the end.

    I've always worked in relatively male dominated industries with relatively few females, and I can't ever recall observing harassment; in fact I can only think of one workplace dalliance (which ended in marriage). The handful of women all dressed and acted conservatively. Looking at who they chose for husbands they seemed to go for 'average' levels of masculinity, although there were certainly plenty of highly masculine men available to them at work if that had been their preference.

    Perhaps I was in a bubble? Is it possible that relatively effeminate fields like media tend to attract relatively effeminate men as well as liberal/progressive women, and that leads to the dynamic that his paper describes? Men feel more confident making advances because there are so few of them. Women don't want these advances because the men are undesirable and effeminate. Women long for more masculine/dominant men as alluded to in the data.

    Perhaps we read so much about sexual harassment because the media assumes that their workplace dynamic is typical of the whole country when in fact it is an outlier.

    The other thing I've noted is that industries that tend to attract more men than women also tend to attract more introverts. Tech/engineering is much more of an introvert magnet than media and I would guess this might confound the data a bit.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    Over the course of my life, employed in many different working environments, I’ve noticed a somewhat curvilinear relationship between the proportion of females in a work place and the amount of sexual hanky-panky. Places I worked that were mostly male seemed to have few, if any, sexual liaisons. As time went on, women entered the workplace in increasing numbers, and I worked in environments with larger numbers of women I began to notice that the amount of sexual hijinx went up as the proportion of women increased. However, towards the end of my career, I worked in a couple of environments that were mostly women and often managed by women. In these situations sexual misbehavior was almost as non-existent as in the male-dominated workplaces where I began my career. My suspicion is that the presence or absence of uncontrolled female competition for male sexual partners is at least part of the explanation for this pattern.

  95. @AKAHorace
    Of course you sexist misogenistic pig do not consider the possibility that liberal women are hotter and that men are unable to control themselves around women who are body positive and have more body piercing than those ugly conservative bitches.

    Sorry Steve, You Just Don't Get It !!!!

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    TD strikes again!!!

  96. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Daniel H


    Precisely what Chateau/Roissey has been snarking about for the past decade.
     
    Speaking of the Chateau:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/08/30/from-fat-acceptance-to-fat-glorification-in-one-generation/

    Other than a tiny fetish subculture, how does anyone find this ham planet attractive?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tess_Holliday

    Holliday trains with a personal trainer four times a week, as well as hiking and swimming.
     
    Right, right....this totally happens. Like, totally.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Right, right….this totally happens. Like, totally.

    Actually, it can happen. Exercising doesn’t help if you eat too much. Any mother of numerous children knows that some struggle with their weight from an early age and others don’t. Along with IQ, the genetic basis of obesity will become evident soon enough. Doctors need to loosen up on phentermine or find another pharmaceutical appetite suppressant. Women aren’t interested in going hungry to maintain their weight.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Rosie

    Here's an article about the commonly-prescribed anorectic phentermine. As indicated here, most doctors will not prescribe phentermine for more than 12 weeks, because weight loss usually maxes out at that point. The drug works, but the weight comes back after cessation. It seems to me that an appropriate treatment would be 12 weeks of treatment per year for those at risk of obesity. If you tend to put on weight in winter, that might be a good time to use your phentermine "allowance." Either obesity is an expensive health hazard or it isn't. If it is, then the risks and benefits of known anorectics should be weighed against the risks and benefits of obesity, but that's not what's happening. It's treated as a character issue, which it is, but it is not only that.

    https://www.restartmed.com/phentermine/

    Replies: @Rosie

  97. Or, maybe conservative women are so oppressed by the patriarchy that they blame themselves for the attraction men feel towards them. (At least, that’s the obvious answer if you work at a university…)

    Why can’t Zach Goldberg publish his interesting findings on an honest BLOG like our host does?

  98. @Chrisnonymous
    @Jack D

    Ardmore, PA... I went to Swarthmore College back in the day. I think I recall Ardmore was the poor black ghetto that students volunteered in. Do I mis-remember? What was a Playboy model doing there, and what are you doing there?

    Replies: @Tim of the North, @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    Ardmore has a small black neighborhood that is rapidly gentrifying but this was not in the black area – this was in a brand new condominium building literally on the other side of the tracks and adjacent to the upscale Suburban Square shopping center. (Historically the “good” part of the Main Line was north of the tracks and the “servants” lived south of the railroad). I don’t live in Ardmore but I live in the area.

  99. @Corn
    @Anonymous

    “Read the full Twitter thread, there’s a graph that shows that conservative and liberal women have similar definitions of what does and does not constitute sexual harassment. ”

    Granted I’m not a woman but I’m surprised they have similar definitions.

    When I was a kid and first understanding the concept of sexual harassment I was taught harassment was along the lines of patting a coworker’s fanny or making a female colleague’s job/life difficult if she didn’t put out. Then it came to be defined as “that guy looked at me a second too long the day I wore that cute dress” or “Frank flipped through a copy of Playboy in the breakroom.”

    Replies: @Rosie

    When I was a kid and first understanding the concept of sexual harassment I was taught harassment was along the lines of patting a coworker’s fanny or making a female colleague’s job/life difficult if she didn’t put out. Then it came to be defined as “that guy looked at me a second too long the day I wore that cute dress” or “Frank flipped through a copy of Playboy in the breakroom.”

    It doesn’t surprise me at all. Liberal and conservative women disagree on many things, but the nature of workplace sexual harassment is not one of them. Here is the thing you need to understand: Corporate harassment policies are not determined by women’s actual sensitivities. They are determined by lawyers whose job is to protect their clients from legal liability, so the question of whether a certain act is or is not SH depends not on whether your average woman would find it intimidating, humiliating, or offensive, but rather on whether the most sensitive and litigious women might prevail in a lawsuit against the organization for unlawful sexual harassment.
    Once you understand that, everything begins to make more sense.

    That said, I would guess that virtually all women, liberal, conservative, communist, or reactionary, would consider it sexual harassment if a coworker whips out a copy of Playboy magazine on the break room.

  100. @BenKenobi
    @Jack D

    That's low/high time preference for you. Had he played it cool he would have had a few weeks or maybe even months worth of dalliances with this smokin' little thot. Instead he chose to rape and kill her. Sad!

    Replies: @Jack D, @njguy73

    We don’t know the details yet but given her history of belligerent drunkenness, my guess is that things started off well (he texted a friend that he was with a hot white bitch (his words) at her crib) but that at some point she showed “disrepec’ ‘” (she has mouthed off many times in local taverns and the worst that happened was she was thrown out – once in NY she got arrested but got off) and he slugged her instantly. At that point he realized that he was in trouble (recent felon out on parole) and that he had better finish the matter and hope to get away. So instead of a couple of more years for assault, now he is looking at life (PA has the death penalty but they never execute anyone). Not a well thought out plan but no one ever accused him of being bright.

  101. @Stick
    So sluttish chicks like bad boy sex. Who knew?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    So sluttish chicks like bad boy sex. Who knew?

    As do frigid chicks, according to Whiskey.

  102. @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Roderick Spode

    She should have used protection.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    She should have used protection.

  103. @Roderick Spode
    OT (is it?) from the burn the coal, pay the toll dept:

    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death. "I just met this sexy-ass white bitch."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/late-night-liaison-charged-with-strangulation-of-former-playboy-model/ar-BBMCTNC?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    Replies: @AndrewR, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip

    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death.

    Change “black” to “Canadian” and “strangles” to “shoots”, and you’ve got Star 80.

    Bet today’s hot young Hemingway won’t be starring in that!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    More like "Looking for Mr. Goodbar". Dorothy Stratten was murdered by her husband, not someone she picked up off the street.

  104. Anon[143] • Disclaimer says:

    The media cases that have been reported keep emphasizing that the male harassers fit two criteria:

    1) They’re in positions of power
    2) They’re Jewish

    I think the main problem is that when a powerful male Jew isn’t getting any sex from the non-Jewish women around him, he gets mad and starts harassing them because he thinks he deserves more sex than he’s getting. The two traits that repel the women are usually his physical ugliness and his typical brusque New York Jewish (aka shtetl peasant) manners. Jews in power don’t behave with good manners the way WASP men in power do, and the Jews don’t recognize it.

    A third point: Jewish men are less likely to work in conservative industries in which WASP males dominate heavily, and WASP men are more likely to know (and employ) conservative women. Hollywood and the media are stuffed with Jewish men, and WASP men are scarce in those areas nowadays.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    It's not considered adultery under traditional Jewish religious law for a married man to have relations with non-Jewish women. A lot of the bad behaviour by Jewish men comes from this. What to Christians is a serious sin is just harmless fun to Jews.

    Muslim men have similar attitudes for similar reasons.

  105. @Rosie
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    Right, right….this totally happens. Like, totally.
     
    Actually, it can happen. Exercising doesn't help if you eat too much. Any mother of numerous children knows that some struggle with their weight from an early age and others don't. Along with IQ, the genetic basis of obesity will become evident soon enough. Doctors need to loosen up on phentermine or find another pharmaceutical appetite suppressant. Women aren't interested in going hungry to maintain their weight.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Here’s an article about the commonly-prescribed anorectic phentermine. As indicated here, most doctors will not prescribe phentermine for more than 12 weeks, because weight loss usually maxes out at that point. The drug works, but the weight comes back after cessation. It seems to me that an appropriate treatment would be 12 weeks of treatment per year for those at risk of obesity. If you tend to put on weight in winter, that might be a good time to use your phentermine “allowance.” Either obesity is an expensive health hazard or it isn’t. If it is, then the risks and benefits of known anorectics should be weighed against the risks and benefits of obesity, but that’s not what’s happening. It’s treated as a character issue, which it is, but it is not only that.

    https://www.restartmed.com/phentermine/

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Rosie

    Obesity concordance among twins:

    Identical twins: 80%
    Fraternal twins: 40%

    see page 4

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4673034/

  106. @Chrisnonymous
    @Jack D

    Ardmore, PA... I went to Swarthmore College back in the day. I think I recall Ardmore was the poor black ghetto that students volunteered in. Do I mis-remember? What was a Playboy model doing there, and what are you doing there?

    Replies: @Tim of the North, @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    Ardmore, PA… I went to Swarthmore College back in the day. I think I recall Ardmore was the poor black ghetto that students volunteered in. Do I mis-remember? What was a Playboy model doing there, and what are you doing there?

    Because Swarthmore can’t hold a candle to Moreswarthy.

  107. @Wilkey
    1) Conservative women are more likely to be married, and that attracts less "harrassment." Never forget the marriage gap.

    2) Younger women in general tend to be more liberal (and also more attractive). Older women just aren't going to be harassed as much.

    3) Conservative women tend to dress less scantily and are more aware of themselves (and their motives) when they're doing it. "Of course I'm getting a lot of men staring at me. That's why I wore these clothes!" - it's the same lack of self-awareness leftists exhibit in so many other ways.

    4) But mostly it's just victim mentality plus the failure to consider the consequences of your actions (e.g., wearing scanty clothes, getting really drunk, and acting flirty with one or more guys might make them think you actually, you know, want to do something with them).

    Replies: @Anon

    There’s a basic power issue here. A married woman has a husband who just might beat the tar out of a harasser if the woman complains. Harassers are opportunists, and they shy away from anything really dangerous and head for the soft targets.

  108. @Rosie
    @Rosie

    Here's an article about the commonly-prescribed anorectic phentermine. As indicated here, most doctors will not prescribe phentermine for more than 12 weeks, because weight loss usually maxes out at that point. The drug works, but the weight comes back after cessation. It seems to me that an appropriate treatment would be 12 weeks of treatment per year for those at risk of obesity. If you tend to put on weight in winter, that might be a good time to use your phentermine "allowance." Either obesity is an expensive health hazard or it isn't. If it is, then the risks and benefits of known anorectics should be weighed against the risks and benefits of obesity, but that's not what's happening. It's treated as a character issue, which it is, but it is not only that.

    https://www.restartmed.com/phentermine/

    Replies: @Rosie

    Obesity concordance among twins:

    Identical twins: 80%
    Fraternal twins: 40%

    see page 4

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4673034/

  109. @Roderick Spode
    OT (is it?) from the burn the coal, pay the toll dept:

    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death. "I just met this sexy-ass white bitch."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/late-night-liaison-charged-with-strangulation-of-former-playboy-model/ar-BBMCTNC?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    Replies: @AndrewR, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @Jack D, @ATBOTL, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip

    Drugs are bad

  110. @ATBOTL
    @Roderick Spode

    This case is about addiction to cocaine and/or heroin. The strangling part of these kinds of incidents happens when the woman physically resists sex.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Roderick Spode

    This case is about addiction to cocaine and/or heroin. The strangling part of these kinds of incidents happens when the woman physically resists sex.

    What? Who was the addict? Please explain.

  111. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.
     
    Samuel Goldwyn, Jr.

    Replies: @Flip

    His mother was Catholic. I don’t know if Jr. was raised Jewish or Catholic.

  112. @sabril
    @Twinkie

    A related possibility: Conservative women are less likely to send out signals (by mannerisms or dress) indicating that they are receptive to sexual advances.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Good one.

  113. @Obsessive Contrarian
    @Jack D

    I have my own black felon kills white radical woman story, but since it's no different from yours, I'll spare you.

    Can you try your hand with Chris and Shanann Watts? Does this prove that all white guys who are in over their heads financially are two steps away from slaughtering their pregnant wives and murdering their kids?

    Replies: @bomag

    I have my own black felon kills white radical woman story

    OJ?

    try your hand with…

    Percentages, man, percentages.

  114. @Reg Cæsar
    @Roderick Spode


    Former Playboy model takes home exciting fun black guy she met in town; he strangles her to death.
     
    Change "black" to "Canadian" and "strangles" to "shoots", and you've got Star 80.

    Bet today's hot young Hemingway won't be starring in that!

    Replies: @Jack D

    More like “Looking for Mr. Goodbar”. Dorothy Stratten was murdered by her husband, not someone she picked up off the street.

  115. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The media cases that have been reported keep emphasizing that the male harassers fit two criteria:

    1) They're in positions of power
    2) They're Jewish

    I think the main problem is that when a powerful male Jew isn't getting any sex from the non-Jewish women around him, he gets mad and starts harassing them because he thinks he deserves more sex than he's getting. The two traits that repel the women are usually his physical ugliness and his typical brusque New York Jewish (aka shtetl peasant) manners. Jews in power don't behave with good manners the way WASP men in power do, and the Jews don't recognize it.

    A third point: Jewish men are less likely to work in conservative industries in which WASP males dominate heavily, and WASP men are more likely to know (and employ) conservative women. Hollywood and the media are stuffed with Jewish men, and WASP men are scarce in those areas nowadays.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It’s not considered adultery under traditional Jewish religious law for a married man to have relations with non-Jewish women. A lot of the bad behaviour by Jewish men comes from this. What to Christians is a serious sin is just harmless fun to Jews.

    Muslim men have similar attitudes for similar reasons.

  116. @ATBOTL
    @Roderick Spode

    This case is about addiction to cocaine and/or heroin. The strangling part of these kinds of incidents happens when the woman physically resists sex.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Roderick Spode

    Not clear that is what happened. The woman was known to be an alcoholic but not a drug addict. She met these men downtown in the middle of the night (this was apparently not the 1st – the one the previous week only robbed her) and brought them back to her apartment all the way from downtown Philly – a distance of 10 miles. If she just wanted to buy drugs then she didn’t need to bring them back home. So far the medical examiner has not mentioned drugs and no drug paraphernalia was found at the scene, at least according to the public information. It’s possible that she didn’t have any cash and offered to trade sex for drugs, but in the surveillance video that was captured, she is hanging affectionately onto Brotha Do Rag – they have blurred her out of the video but the body language indicates that she loves chocolate and would make Tiny Duck proud. Brotha Do Rag doesn’t indicate in his tweets to his friend that he is there for a drug deal – he is there to have fun with a white bitch.

  117. Hypothesis . Conservative women are taught by their mothers that men are different from women, not the same. To exaggerate, men are out for one thing only. It is their nature, not their choice. A woman should study how to manage this male weakness for her own advantage. Thus, more conservative women may a) not be shocked, and b) have learned deft ways to dodge, ignore, pretend not to notice, laugh at, or divert advances.

    I’ve experienced a crazy ex-boyfriend stalker of my beau who had to be forcefully managed. I greatly dislike aggressive, unwanted SH. However, when the female hotel clerk in Paris younger than me by 30 years flirted with me as part of her work persona, I recalled how that was a thing in America before the 80s, and how pleasant it could be. It was done in a way signaling pretense backed by the woman’s ultimate power of refusal.

  118. @bomag
    @Jack D

    Thanks for the added info.

    From my small personal sample, women in the glamour biz could use a better support system.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Maybe this is true in general but this woman had a long term boyfriend. Some here may fault him because he stayed with her for 14 years and never married her. During this period her SMV declined from pretty high to just about expired at age 36. However, she was a known belligerent drunk and he was probably afraid to marry her, but didn’t want to abandon her either (her modeling career, never that spectacular to begin with, must have been drawing to an end and she had no other skills) so he had bought a condo and ensconced her in it shortly before her death. Given her known behavior immediately before her death and in the past, she was probably uncontrollable – if she hadn’t been a drunk and had listened to his advice he probably would have married her long ago. Sometimes people are their own worst enemies. Being a beautiful woman seems to especially mess with your head. Some women are able to ride the tiger of their own beauty but many others fall off.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jack D


    Being a beautiful woman seems to especially mess with your head. Some women are able to ride the tiger of their own beauty but many others fall off.
     
    Yes, especially today with modern media, etc.

    We could use more tough love in place of the vapid flattery cascading on attractive women.

  119. BPD women are more likely to be liberal. QED.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  120. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    Some obvious possibilities:

    1. Conservative women are less likely to report minor unwanted contact or harassment formally as "sexual harassment"?

    2. Conservative women are less likely to put themselves in situations where harassment might occur more frequently (alone with a man)?

    3. Conservative women are more likely to confront the harasser at the time of the harassment (and put an end to it) rather than putting up with it, stewing about it, and then reporting it formally later?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @sabril, @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy

    2. Conservative women are less likely to put themselves in situations where harassment might occur more frequently (alone with a man)?

    3. Conservative women are more likely to confront the harasser at the time of the harassment (and put an end to it) rather than putting up with it, stewing about it, and then reporting it formally later?

    Agree. Good God-fearing girls are also good at communicating this stuff because they have clear idea and confidence in what is right and wrong. Former English professor turned street cop George Thompson:

  121. @ayatollah
    "To sum up: When it comes to ideological disparities in reporting, the data strongly points to sexual promiscuity/licentiousness (# of sex partners, "sexual kinkiness") as important explanatory variables..."

    I'm wondering what could explain this correlation. Is it that men either consciously or subconsciously treat good girls differently from promiscuous girls? Is it that promiscuous girls tend to be head cases make up/exaggerate instances of sexual harassment?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @JMcG

    Who was it that said one should treat a princess like a whore and a whore like a princess? I think I heard that at around the same time I watched Peter O’Toole drive a Brough Superior into a ditch.

  122. 2 factors: conservative women send out more signals they are unavailable, and secondly they are less likely to report minor harassment (comments about body, unwanted/annoying but harmless flirting, etc).

  123. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Anon

    Jews aren't supposed to name children after a living relative.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @ScarletNumber, @Reg Cæsar

    Score one for the Jews here. There is nothing more boring or narcissistic than naming your child after yourself. Plus the whole point of names is to distinguish people from each other.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @ScarletNumber

    Also it helps with the receipts.

  124. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    Well said.

    "Anything I like should be government subsidized if not mandatory. Anything I dislike should be taxed or banned."

    Replies: @Steve from Detroit, @ScarletNumber

    Example: birth-control pills. There is nothing preventing women from buying their own, yet they literally make a federal case out of it if their employer doesn’t provide them.

  125. @anon
    Conservative women more likely to be married or in a serious long-term relationship, so aggressively hit on less.

    Conservative have fewer mentally unstable harpies who get some kind of emotional reward claiming/exaggerating how they were victimized. This aspect is 2 part: the individual personality difference, but also a social peer-group/family difference where less sympathy/brownie points are given. Instead of offering sympathy, male relatives, for instance, would want to send a message to the man.

    Replies: @sabril, @unpc downunder

    A highly questionable assumption. Conservative women are more likely to be working class than liberal women, and working class women are more likely to be in unstable relationships. Conversely, liberal women are more likely to be middle class, and middle class women are more likely to be in stable relationships. Liberal women can afford to have liberal values because they have other qualities which protect them from the negative consequences of being liberal.

  126. @Twinkie
    Some obvious possibilities:

    1. Conservative women are less likely to report minor unwanted contact or harassment formally as "sexual harassment"?

    2. Conservative women are less likely to put themselves in situations where harassment might occur more frequently (alone with a man)?

    3. Conservative women are more likely to confront the harasser at the time of the harassment (and put an end to it) rather than putting up with it, stewing about it, and then reporting it formally later?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @unpc downunder, @Anonymous, @sabril, @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy

    #3 leads to #1. If someone physically grabs you and you clock him, he is unlikely to want anyone to know about it.

    Of course, an expression of polite lack of interest is usually sufficient to prevent grabbing attempts.

  127. Goldberg’s analysis is another example of why White Sharia is so needed by the US and Europe. Without strict supervision, educated white women fantasize about rape then project that on men especially when claims of harassment are trendy and gain the lass attention. After all, what does it say about a Becky’s sex appeal if no one wants to harass her? Working around woke leftist men doesn’t help either.

    Also worth noting that leftist, educated white women tend to be insane. What other group wears pussy hats and I’ll unfrien people on social media as frequently as Democrat women over political differences? No other group.

  128. @ATBOTL
    @Roderick Spode

    This case is about addiction to cocaine and/or heroin. The strangling part of these kinds of incidents happens when the woman physically resists sex.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Roderick Spode

    Good thought. It’s possible that he was her dealer. We will have to wait for more information.

  129. @Anonymous
    @Roderick Spode

    Christina Carlin-Kraft’s 9-year boyfriend was Alexander Ciccotelli, Jr., a “handsome and successful Wall Street banker”. Ciccotelli told police he and Carlin-Kraft had been dating for about 14 years. He owned the fancy apartment where she lived and she decides to bring home some black guy she just met. And from that MSN article it’s not clear if you did the same think a couple nights before which resulted in that guy stealing stuff from the apartment.


    “Alex Ciccotelli Jr. and Kraft were definitely devoted to each other, he allegedly got the apartment for her and also have a house in Margate on the beach and they would come on vacations, sources said.”

    https://dailyentertainmentnews.com/breaking-news/christina-carlin-krafts-boyfriend-alex-ciccotelli-jr/
     

    While IMO white women are a big part of the collapse of Western civilization, white men have been accessories. Dude is a 42-year old rich Wall Street banker who had a Playboy model girlfriend he’d been dating since he was 28. Obviously now we know it probably wouldn’t have been smart to marry her, but he should’ve found a wife and had kids. He could’ve found a nice, smart Asian woman to marry and settled down with and have kids, instead of living in sin and helping to corrupt this Playboy model.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Roderick Spode

    could’ve found a nice, smart Asian woman to marry and settled down with and have kids

    Nice try

  130. @Jack D
    @bomag

    Maybe this is true in general but this woman had a long term boyfriend. Some here may fault him because he stayed with her for 14 years and never married her. During this period her SMV declined from pretty high to just about expired at age 36. However, she was a known belligerent drunk and he was probably afraid to marry her, but didn't want to abandon her either (her modeling career, never that spectacular to begin with, must have been drawing to an end and she had no other skills) so he had bought a condo and ensconced her in it shortly before her death. Given her known behavior immediately before her death and in the past, she was probably uncontrollable - if she hadn't been a drunk and had listened to his advice he probably would have married her long ago. Sometimes people are their own worst enemies. Being a beautiful woman seems to especially mess with your head. Some women are able to ride the tiger of their own beauty but many others fall off.

    Replies: @bomag

    Being a beautiful woman seems to especially mess with your head. Some women are able to ride the tiger of their own beauty but many others fall off.

    Yes, especially today with modern media, etc.

    We could use more tough love in place of the vapid flattery cascading on attractive women.

  131. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Anon

    Jews aren't supposed to name children after a living relative.

    Replies: @Fidelios Automata, @ScarletNumber, @Reg Cæsar

    Jews aren’t supposed to name children after a living relative.

    That’s custom, not law, and only among the Ashkenazi. The Sephardi don’t hold themselves to it.

    Similarly, Catholics aren’t required to name a child after a saint, but for many years were expected to. So we all thought it was the law.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Reg Cæsar

    When my friend was a baby, the parish priest wouldn't baptize her until her mother picked a saint's middle name for her, because he said the first name wouldn't do. So even priests seemed to think it was the law.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  132. @ChrisZ
    @Anon


    There are no Jewish Juniors
     
    What about Sammy Davis, Jr.?

    ;)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There are no Jewish Juniors

    What about Sammy Davis, Jr.?

    Sammi Davis III isn’t Jewish, though.

  133. Anonymous [AKA "Sadie Salome"] says:
    @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar



    On Twitter, a guy calling himself Zach Goldberg
     
    I can’t imagine anyone wanting to call himself “Zach Goldberg” unless he really was.
     
    A Japanese guy went by the name Jack Wiseman, Jr. when he was in Hollywood producing some minor movies and trying to raise money. He thought that having a Jewish name would help. The movies he was producing were comedies, so it cannot be ruled out that the fake name may have been partly in jest.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2821152/

    The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymouse, @ChrisZ, @Anonymous, @Wilkey, @Anonymous

    “The funniest thing is that Jewish people never name their kids after themselves. There are no Jewish Juniors. Google-is-your-friend for more on that. So any Jew encountering that name would do a double take.

    There’s a Jewish general prohibition–whether legalistic or merely traditional I do not know—against naming children after living persons.

  134. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Jews aren’t supposed to name children after a living relative.

     

    That's custom, not law, and only among the Ashkenazi. The Sephardi don't hold themselves to it.

    Similarly, Catholics aren't required to name a child after a saint, but for many years were expected to. So we all thought it was the law.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    When my friend was a baby, the parish priest wouldn’t baptize her until her mother picked a saint’s middle name for her, because he said the first name wouldn’t do. So even priests seemed to think it was the law.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Wow.

    I really hope the Catholic Church disappears soon. It's run by theocratic pedophiles.

  135. @Fidelios Automata
    One other incident I forgot: in the 1980's before the rash of "workplace harassment" law, one of my fellow engineers innocently patted the knee of one of our co-workers, a gorgeous young Latina engineer. She looked like she was ready to kill him. I'm sure he never did anything like that again. :-)

    Replies: @AnonAnon

    innocently patted the knee of one of our co-workers,

    Did he “innocently” pat the knees of his male co-workers, too?

    Dude was a handsy, condescending creep, don’t make excuses for him no matter what decade it was. (I bet he was a couple of decades older than her, too.) Would you be ok with male co-workers patting your wife or girlfriend’s knee?

  136. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Reg Cæsar

    When my friend was a baby, the parish priest wouldn't baptize her until her mother picked a saint's middle name for her, because he said the first name wouldn't do. So even priests seemed to think it was the law.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Wow.

    I really hope the Catholic Church disappears soon. It’s run by theocratic pedophiles.

  137. @BenKenobi
    @Jack D

    That's low/high time preference for you. Had he played it cool he would have had a few weeks or maybe even months worth of dalliances with this smokin' little thot. Instead he chose to rape and kill her. Sad!

    Replies: @Jack D, @njguy73

    That’s low/high time preference for you. Had he played it cool he would have had a few weeks or maybe even months worth of dalliances with this smokin’ little thot.

    That’s the conundrum. Men with low time preferences (those able to defer gratification) tend to stay away from places where thots gather, be it bars or dating apps. Those types of men are busy working to acquire resources so they can form stable families with low-time-preference women (yes, they exist.)

    And we live in a society where the best-looking women are rewarding for going into fields where they need to grab what they can ASAP. Models and actresses don’t have the luxury of developing 30-year career plans. You can be the It Girl at 22, and a has-been at 26.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @njguy73

    They may exist, but they still prefer high time-preference men.

  138. @AndrewR
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    "If she smokes, she pokes."

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    But her mouth tastes like an ashtray.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  139. @Fidelios Automata
    I work in tech which is, as the others have observed, a rather male-dominated profession. The only case of sexual harassment complaints I've ever observed were made against a rather immature 30-ish guy who was teasing a female colleague in a completely non-sexual way. She was an overweight and hyper-sensitive East Coast lefty who saw every slight as sexism, never considering that the cause of her unpopularity may have been her abrasive personality. The company put the guy on probation but he was soon fired after making a flippant remark to our workplace tranny.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    By the time you have any SJWs or trannies as employees, you’re 90% of the way to being screwed as a business.  Management should take every opportunity to write them up and encourage them to pursue other employment.

  140. @njguy73
    @BenKenobi


    That’s low/high time preference for you. Had he played it cool he would have had a few weeks or maybe even months worth of dalliances with this smokin’ little thot.
     
    That's the conundrum. Men with low time preferences (those able to defer gratification) tend to stay away from places where thots gather, be it bars or dating apps. Those types of men are busy working to acquire resources so they can form stable families with low-time-preference women (yes, they exist.)

    And we live in a society where the best-looking women are rewarding for going into fields where they need to grab what they can ASAP. Models and actresses don't have the luxury of developing 30-year career plans. You can be the It Girl at 22, and a has-been at 26.

    Replies: @L Woods

    They may exist, but they still prefer high time-preference men.

  141. @ScarletNumber
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Score one for the Jews here. There is nothing more boring or narcissistic than naming your child after yourself. Plus the whole point of names is to distinguish people from each other.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Also it helps with the receipts.

  142. I did a multivariate analysis of GSS data and found no support for the view that promiscuity explains the female liberalism-harassment link. (I thought I would.) http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-are-liberal-women-more-likely-to.html

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