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  1. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:

    High scoring Asians who used to be in the “No Response” group now identify as Asian. This causes the spike in Asian scores and the decline in “No Response”

    I also think “no response” could be a growing number of English speaking Hispanic 2nd and 3rd generation Americans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Kronos
  2. Altai says:

    Are the Han and Korean populations being reinforced by immigration faster than the South East Asian segment? (I’m not ruling out both increased test fraud and genetics playing a part in the rise if it’s due to greater Han and Korean immigration)

  3. indocon says:

    More widespread cheating.

    • Replies: @JimB
    , @Lagertha
    , @Anon
    , @jinks
  4. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:

    All Work and No Play Make Asian-Americans Dull Kids.

    Mao said the same thing and let loose the Cultural Revolution.

    “Confucius make Chinese no good. Make personality dull. Show spirit. Go beat up teacher. Burn books.”

  5. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    OT thoughts on primogeniture:

    Did your dad’s little brother die in a motorcycle accident? Blame primogeniture.

    The eldest son, by receiving a his parents house and estate, presumably had better reproductive prospects than his younger brothers. I would guess that there was at least a small average difference in their number of children, but also many cases where, for example, the first born son had nine children, while his brothers had none at all, or only one (illigitimately).

    Consequently, Darwinianly speaking, it would be particularly important for nature to get the first son “right,” (e.g., healthy) or, at least, right for reproduction – hetero. It’s been shown that boys with older male siblings are more likely to be gay, and the change appears to happen before birth, suggestive of a womb environment effect. While being gay is perhaps never adaptive, it’s less maladaptive if you’re not going to have children anyway, implying selection could relax a little.

    Even in the absence of a difference in the number of children born to first and later sons, primogeniture still implies that their best reproductive strategies would differ. For example, what things would the eldest son need to be good at? Asset management? What personality traits would this imply, and what traits would nature tweak in younger sons whose reproductive prospects are much more dicey? Risk taking behavior? Conscientiousness? Charm?

    Thinking in terms of a male-female behavioral axis, where females need not take risks to reproduce but males must, you might expect that younger sons would be “hyper masculine” by necessity and prone to taking bigger risks, while the eldest would employ a more “female” strategy, his reproduction being guaranteed less he do something dumb, like get killed in a duel to save face in the eyes of a pretty lass, or murdered by a man whom he cuckolded (a first born, presumably).

    Questions: Is there research on primogeniture and Darwinian birth order effects? Is there historical (genealogical?) research into the number of children born to first and later sons? Does a woman’s womb change after she’s had a boy or two in a way that alters her younger sons’ personalities? By what mechanism? Prenatal testosterone? Antibodies against specific fetal proteins? Could this explain birth order differences which have traditionally been explained by nurture, but which might correctly be explained by nature – or rather, an interaction of nature (biology) and a cultural practice which shaped it (primogeniture)?

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  6. Dorkbaby says:

    Bottom line, Asians tend to become mediocrities as they age. So few Asian superstars. So few Zuckerbergs. So many competent physicians. Yawn

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Dave from Oz
  7. “Asians” is not a consistent category… may just be proportionately more ice asians and less jungle asians being measured.

    • Replies: @B36
    , @John Arthur
  8. Perhaps the Asian groups that weren’t doing as well, such as the Vietnamese have started copying the ways of middle-class Chinese, Korean and Indian immigrants and started sending their kids to test prep?

    An alternative explanation might be that Asian test prep centers have found it actually easier to crack the code of the revised SAT, which was redone, in part, to thwart their skills in decoding the test.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/magazine/asian-test-prep-centers-offer-parents-exactly-what-they-want-results.html

  9. Regarding the remarkable closing of the gender gap: the astute reader may descry an effective change in strategy, the implementation of which began sometime around 2012.

  10. It could be one or both of two effects:

    1. The current crop of Asian test takers may have more second and third generation Americans. The earlier cohorts probably had more “fresh off the boat” immigrants who weren’t fully English proficient, etc.

    2. Apparently a recent change in SAT format coincided with a sharp uptick in Asian scores relative to others. Perhaps the change made the test more susceptible to test-prep (or cheating?).

  11. Haole says:

    Look at the data, the long term trend is up, the last point is consistent with the trend. It only looks like a spike because the previous year was a drop. Discard the one point that does not confirm the trend, 2016?, and the data is consistent.

    No spike

    • Replies: @Alice in Wonderland
  12. 1) More of the Asian test takers are native English speakers.

    2) Asians are sending their best. Asian Americans are the most educated.

    if controlled for parent education, I suspect whites and Asians would track more closely, probably hispanics, too. The average of hispanics with an engineer parent is probably much closer to the average of whites and Asians with an engineer parent.

  13. OT

    Then they came for … SpongeBob SquarePants.

    https://campusreform.org/?ID=13844

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  14. Anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:

    What’s that practically flat dull black line across the bottom of the–oh, sorry. Never mind.

  15. @Haole

    I think you are hitting the most important point: the dip.

    Why a dip?

    First year of new test?

    What if they changed the test significantly every year?

    What other group had a dip that year and only that year?

    This is a very large cohort, so a significant dip is unlikely to be just random.

    Test prep lag?

    The regular kind of test prep like the College Board provides for it’s SAT product was available before the test, so test takers had the opportunity to use that. What they didn’t have was the after market test prep stuff that comes from those companies whose employees go take the test themselves and come back with more info on the actual items on the real test.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
  16. Ibound1 says:

    Who cares? All I know is that these high Asian SAT scores are leading America to greater and greater success! Everyone gets along so well too.

    • Replies: @anon
  17. Anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:

    Are there any measures or proxies like this which include Jews?

  18. Bill P says:

    Because so many unassimilated Asians arrived in the 90s. These immigrants push their kids a lot harder than the Asians whose ancestors arrived in the 19th and early 20th centuries. So, basically, what your seeing is the 1st generation children of immigrants as strivers effect. I bet you won’t see the same rise in older, more established Asian populations, like in Hawaii.

  19. The tests are getting easier and the Asians, slow on the uptake socially, haven’t caught on as to why yet.

  20. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Do they explicitly include the Indian subcontinent or ME in Asia in the self report questions? If so, when did they add this?

  21. For consideration:

    Test difficulty (and education standards in general) is being lowered year after year in a (fruitless) effort to keep the Negro line from falling off the bottom of the chart. Asians keep plugging away and rise simply because of the falling bar.

    I see a lot of making fun here about Asians being boring and conformist – I’d prefer that over having my head bashed in with a brick over an iPhone or a pair of sneakers any day.

    And White people were doing pretty well when they were mush more conformist in general.

    • Replies: @Alice in Wonderland
  22. nymom says:

    Chinese, in general, if they learn the language (reading and writing as well as speaking) are better test takers.

    Their language is almost like a mnemonic training tool as the average young person has to learn hundreds of characters in order to read or write in the language. Whereas English speakers only have to memorize 26 letters of the alphabet to read or write in English. Every combination thereafter of words phrases, whatever uses just those 26 letters.

    I once worked for a Chinese man from Hong Kong and he explained to me the system and that is why many Chinese parents continue putting their kids in Chinese language schools after they come to the US.

    Additionally he told me that Japan’s language is also similar in this regard and even though he never learned Japanese when he visited there he could pick up their newspaper and understood about 60% of the stories…so maybe this is like Latin-based languages for certain European countries. They all have the same basic structure so Spanish, Italian, French all have similarities within them so that you can pick up the language easier if you speak one of them since they all derive from Latin…

    Not to take anything away from Asians who score high but if they all have this trait in their languages making them mnemonic training tools, this might explain their high test scores.

    Maybe…

  23. B36 says:
    @Anonymousse

    Also, how many “Asian” students today have a White father (like the children of Tiger Mother Amy Chua)?

  24. Wilkey says:

    The Asian test takers in 1997 would’ve been born in 1980. The ones in 2017 were born in 2000. The latter group would have far more children of professionals admitted on H-1B visas compared to the former group.

    That brief drop in their scores, if it coincides with a change in the test, definitely suggests that part of the reason for high Asian scores is aggressive test prep. If that’s the same year then test prep courses may have not had the new test quite figured out yet.

  25. Kronos says:
    @Anonymous

    High scoring Asians who used to be in the “No Response” group now identify as Asian. This causes the spike in Asian scores and the decline in “No Response”

    Wouldn’t Asians be fleeing the Asian check box in droves? If your of white/Asian mixed race you have a better chance of entering an elite university if you choose the white box. I’m surprised they don’t try the Native American (old Asian) box. Thus, Native American scores would rise.

  26. jpp says:

    As a white guy, I can’t help but be incredibly embarrassed by this, especially if, as Charles Murray seems to have suggested in one of his recent tweets, the test has been made drastically easier since some changes in 2016 / 2017. Of course, I haven’t examined what these changes are; perhaps, they have downgraded the verbal and written portions on the basis of ‘cultural bias’ (eg, google search ‘SAT regattas’) and instead prioritized strictly logical and quantitative elements which favor the Asian mind.

    One feature of the data which attests to the hypothesis that Asians are better at gaming /cramming for / over preparing for standardized tests is the brief but sharp and highly curious downturn in Asian scores around 2017 before they shoot upwards again. This trend suggests that Asians floundered in the brief burn in period when the newly revised SAT couldn’t be studied for on the basis of accumulated materials but regained their advantage when a sufficient stock of prep materials began to accumulate.

    My domain has always been that of the formal sciences rather than that of those which pertain to human life, but as an off thought, one random (and probably refutable) hypothesis I’ve sometimes entertained is whether the reverse Flynn effect which seems to be causing stagnating / regressing IQ among Caucasians owes to the increasingly elderly age at which this demographic is producing children.

  27. @Almost Missouri

    Why is a professor of about 55 who got her BA before most of SpongeBob’s fans were even born writing about a cartoon even its viewers and creators don’t take seriously? What’s being pumped into the Seattle mist?

    She has a history of atoll fever:

    Since 1988, when Holly first went to the Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI) as a Peace Corps volunteer, she has spent much of her life working with Marshallese people both in Micronesia and the United States. Her research focuses on the history of the U.S. nuclear testing program…

    https://anthropology.washington.edu/news/2013/04/01/professor-holly-barker-wins-distinguished-teaching-award

    They should call it misanthropology.

  28. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dorkbaby

    I rather enjoy having a competent Asian physician.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @TelfoedJohn
  29. @Kronos

    I thought that Unz proved that if you don’t account for Jews, the Ivies discriminate more against Whites than Asians. But I’m guessing that in the non-Ivy elite privates, particularly in the South, they tend to favor Gentile Whites more.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  30. Lot says:

    1. Superpreping and cheating.

    2. USA circa 1990 really starting pulling in the top migrants from all China, not just the middle to elite of Taiwan, HK, and Chinese minorities in SE Asia.

    3. More native English speaker Asians.

    • Agree: Houston 1992
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  31. This is pure speculation (as are most things). The scores really soar after the internet went mainstream? Around 2000-early. I’m guessing they got really good at using the internet to get as much info as they could about testing, and could prepare much better now that they knew what they were being tested for. I wrote my GMAT around 2004 and this is pretty much what I did too: went online, did a thousand practice / past questions as mentioned on forums, understood all I could about what the essays look for, how the GMAT algo scores etc. No one prompted me to do it, but like most Asian households there was just pressure that I would excel. The books I could buy from where I lived at the time weren’t sufficient, and I wanted more of the higher-grade questions, ie the ones you start seeing once you cross 750 on the GMAT; you can’t really score at the top by practicing for the middle. The internet plugged that gap for me. Plus, math is a lot less intimidating, because it’s all numbers anyway, but verbal was strange – it’s not pure english, or even grammatical; it was all American English and required a lot of understanding of Americanisms… so I didn’t exposure to that context so I could learn from it and what the tests viewed as the right answer.

    It would be interesting to cut the data out by how many are first-Gen’s / non-citizens vs second-gens / citizens in USA. I’m guessing Asians raised and living in USA while taking their tests would have had a distinct advantage to Asians living in a very different culture and not used to this type of testing (esp for verbal; math is math wherever you go) would have had a significant disadvantage… till the internet came along.

    The other thing I can think of is changes to the testing and scoring methodology.

    The other cut that might be helpful is to see what drove the improvements in Asian scores – math vs verbal. So if we had a couple of cuts of Asian-American citizens vs asians, and their scores bifurcated by math vs verbal… maybe some insights there.

    • Replies: @ConfirmationBias
  32. JimB says:
    @indocon

    More widespread cheating.

    Possibly. The Asian increase sure looks like a “learning curve.”

  33. Lagertha says:
    @indocon

    Correct. To segue into Steve’s obsession with white-bread sports: one of my sons was also a fencer. When he started as a little boy (his older relatives fenced, so it was familiar) he was among many white, and a peppering of black and Asian kids. By 15, Asians were 50/50 with white kids, black kids were a bit more numerous (due to some very charismatic Olympians) but, the rise of the Asians was overwhelming. The Nationals were chock a block full of Californians and East Coasters with many shared last names. Some, ironically, which you have mentioned, Steve, had Anglican first names, sometimes second.

    I grew to enjoy the company of these Tiger Moms (oh, yes, indeed) who chose this sport because their sons lacked the bulk and height to do many sports – which is true. But, it was also: only for the Ivies. My son is still fencing! He said he will finally kick the butts of his long-lost peers in the NYC area, once they are in their 70’s, hahaaa! I am sure glad I was able to encourage my culture which reveres irony, to my son. Only do sport because you love it.

  34. @ConfirmationBias

    One of the reasons that the cut within Asians: citizens vs non-citizens, would be useful is because per-capita GDP in india at least has been steadily rising and more and more middle and upper-middle class Indians aim to send their children abroad for undergraduate. It used to only be reserved for post-grad (like MS), because one could get scholarships then.

  35. istevefan says:

    A couple thoughts:

    1) Can we assume the establishment will now be concerned about the growing Asian-White gap and seek to remedy it? I doubt it. Isn’t it telling that the only gaps that are fretted over are the ones where Whites benefit. Any gap where Whites are on the losing end are A-OK.

    2) Since Asians have found the key to academic success, it’s time they take on the burden of uplifting blacks. We need to push for the busing of black kids to Asian-heavy schools.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  36. @Laurence Whelk

    This is really true.

    You only needed like an 11oo SAT to get into engineering at the University of Texas or Texas A&M in 1985. Now, it is 1350. That is pretty huge. Things weren’t that different 30 years ago.

    • Replies: @res
  37. @Kronos

    Wouldn’t Asians be fleeing the Asian check box in droves?

    That would be hard given that college applications require your picture and your legal given name.

    One anecdote. I know a family with two smart, not brilliant, kids in the Ivies. White dad is an engineer with a Spanish surname. Mom is Korean. Yeah, they checked the hispanic box.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  38. @Anonymous

    Are you telling us you got diddled

  39. The Achilles heel for East Asians is gambling. That and dog meat were about the only things the British outlawed in Hong Kong. A few years back, a Korean guy spent so much time in a Minnesota Indian casino that his young son froze to death out in the car. (And he wasn’t even drunk– the Indians were shocked.)

    So maybe games of chance should be worked into this analysis.

    Likewise, admissions tests could be manipulated with gaming distractions, to lower Asians’ scores.

    “Look! Three squirrels!”

    “Jackpot!”

    • Replies: @El Dato
  40. baythoven says:

    Anybody remember the little scandal of Millbrae High School? (CA Bay Area.) They did some group learning class sessions, a trendy teaching method these days, only it was the SAT. This was in 2013. The evidence was sufficiently damning that hundreds of SAT results were invalidated, and despite the fact that the poor little Asians darlings made public protests in the summer, they had to retake the test.

    And you know how with icebergs, you only see the tip, that’s if the weather’s good.

  41. Anon[908] • Disclaimer says:
    @indocon

    Most outright Asian cheating takes place in Asia. The domestic incidents have been localized.

    So there is some legitimate set of reasons to account for the uptick:

    — More Northeast Asians (CJK), including poor families, fewer dumb Asians like the Hmong

    — Good academics, especially English, plus prep

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  42. A dot Indian told me her daughter was taking the SAT every time it was offered for two years.

    Ugh.

    How would you like to be that kid?

    Oh well, I guess test prep is more wholesome than watching Kardashians.

  43. Elli says:

    Cheating may be a factor, along with the shift in population. There were very few Asians when I was in school. They grew up with peers who mostly looked down on cheating. More of them were at least third generation Americans. They were proportionally more Japanese, which society has a code of honor.

    Now there are many, many post-Communist upheaval, new fascist Chinese. They come from a high-corruption society. A fair number of their parents bent or broke our immigration laws to get here. And they have to get ahead by any means because not getting ahead condemns you to a miserable life.

    The teacher proctors for the last SAT wouldn’t let my daughter take it because she lost her current ID, no matter that she brought the previous 3 years IDs, an expired passport, and a learner’s permit, and they knew her. But they aren’t stopping kids from going out in the halls after each section, consulting, and changing answers on previous sections when they go back in.

    That ought to be a simple fix for ETS, collect each test section as it’s completed, but they don’t have that protocol.

  44. Kronos says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    True, but the vast majority of Asian (and white) Americans don’t know that. This is perceived as the biggest discrimination against Asians since the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act. I’m sure there’s a lot of anger from rejected Asian kids who were raised “tiger mother” style.

  45. Kronos says:
    @Alice in Wonderland

    Can this help explain the rise in hyphenated last names?

  46. @Lot

    Agree with all that Lot.

    I’d throw in that the sort of changes that the College Board has been making to “close the gap” racially and sexually make the SAT less “IQy” and more “have you eaten your vegetables” which plays directly to the benefit of Asian test prep.

  47. Age of SAT taker would be relevant. Some Asians may be enrolling in second bachelor degree programs, and take the SAT at age 22 with a solid u/g behind them

    What may confound the data is that some students start taking the SAT as young as 12 yo as a diagnostic exam.

  48. Not Raul says:

    They’re going up too fast for cheating not to be a factor. Also, the verbal section is getting less subtle, allegorical, poetic, and literary. Philip Larkin wouldn’t like it.

  49. Me2020 says:

    Because “Asian” is now dominated by Chindians, mostly children of tech workers.

    They are also doing more test prep. Not sure how much that helps, but it probably doesn’t hurt. My kid tells me one of his classmates in HS told him she was getting sent back to China by her parents over the summer solely to test prep for the SAT, makes you wonder what magic test prep they have there that we don’t have here.

    Ultimately, it is all due to affirmative action, which has the unintended consequence of making the strong stronger, and the weak weaker. Asian kids know they have to have much higher scores, GPA and extracurricular activities to be competitive with other groups even just to go to a decent State U, so they work twice as hard as all other kids.

  50. @Anonymousse

    Actually, East Asians are underperformers in the Asian community funny enough.

  51. Veracitor says:

    It’s multifactorial.

    Cheating, and

    Major changes to the SAT intended to help colleges hide the gaps for blacks and women by making the SAT less of an IQ test made it much more test-preppable, which is catnip to Asian grinds, and

    Immigration.

    I say bring back analogies and the guessing penalty.

    It is amusing to see the folks like Richard C. Atkinson who demanded the SAT be dumbed- down discomfited by the rising Asian scores that point up their discrimination against Asian applicants for admission (see the Harvard lawsuit).

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  52. @jpp

    Asians have kids at the same or older ages, so why would it not show up with them?

  53. The graph clearly shows that Asians have been feasting on the brains of native Americans.

    • LOL: Bruno
  54. @Dorkbaby

    Asians tend to become mediocrities as they age.

    Maybe they settle down and have kids.

  55. El Dato says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Is this related to Koreans dying in Internet Cafés, gaming Fortress of the Justified Ancients and things like that?

  56. Twinkie says:

    Let me offer a brief demographic analysis. There are two broad trends here concerning Asians in America that may explain the dramatic increase of their average SAT scores.

    First, the American-born children of the past immigrant cohorts have come of age, and they tend to do better than their foreign-born counterparts. For example, among Koreans born overseas (i.e. immigrants), the percentages of those with at least a bachelor’s degree and a graduate degree are 52% and 20% respectively. Those for the American-born are 60% and 23%, respectively.

    Among Vietnamese born overseas, they are 25% and 7% respectively. For American-born Vietnamese, they are 51% and 14%, respectively. Among Chinese, 50% and 27% among those from overseas vs. 66% and 25% born in America. One thing to keep in mind is that the educational selectivity of the recent Chinese immigrants is high (so confounds that data a bit).

    In comparison, the percentages for all Americans is 30% and 11%, respectively. These are all as of 2015, taken from Pew.*

    The second big trend is the massive increase of Indians in America. Between 1990 and 2017, their population increased in America more than five-fold. They went from being a small fraction of the Asian population in America to being close to 20%. That is a dramatic change in the demographic composition of the category called “Asian.” Moreover, Indian immigration is EXTREMELY selective in terms of education. 72% of Indian immigrants have at least a bachelor’s degree while 40% have graduate degrees (unlike the past cohorts, however, Indians born in the U.S. don’t do much better than their foreign-born counterparts, 74% and 41%, respectively).

    So, when these two trends are combined – 1) that of the American-born children from previous cohorts of Asian immigrants from places such as China, Korea, and Vietnam doing better than their parents and 2) that of the more recent foreign-born cohorts, especially Indians, being extremely highly selected for education – it’s not a surprise that the Asian scores have been going up.

    There is one major group, however, that bucks this trend – Filipinos. For foreign-borns, the numbers are 49% and 9%, respectively. For the U.S.-born, 41% and 11%. That’s right, American-born Filipinos attain bachelor’s degrees at lower rates than their immigrant forebears. Filipinos are truly the Mexicans among Asians (while Indians are the Jews and Koreans are the Irish).

    Finally, there is another notable trend among “Asians” in America that perhaps relates to the above – rich-poor gap among Asians is the largest of the major ethno-racial groups in the U.S., which suggests that the educational selectivity and the high cognitive profiles for the most profitable professions in the U.S. are hitting Asians in full force, at a far greater level than among whites, blacks, or Hispanics.

    *Pew data here: https://www.pewresearch.org/topics/asian-americans/

  57. @Veracitor

    the guessing penalty

    This appears to confirm what I had long thought: that the SAT is , at least in part, multiple-choice. In my jurisdiction the same thing has been taking over – mostly because of the dismal standards of educational bureaucrats and the absolute incompetence high school teachers (it’s been two decades at least since high school teaching was an attractive employment proposition for anyone who graduated in the top decile in a discipline worth the name).

    What happened to formal questions that required a detailed answer, and penalties for not showing your working?

    I guess that would require that things be marked by someone competent, not just some mouth-breather who can hold a template over a page and see if the coloured-in bits match the holes.

    Helps explain PISA and PIAAC though: countries where kiddies have to do more joined-up thinking appear to be in the higher cohorts.

  58. AnonAnon says:
    @Alice in Wonderland

    I think you are hitting the most important point: the dip.

    Why a dip?

    First year of new test?

    March 2016 was when the SAT changed. My son was taking standardized tests that winter/spring in prep for college apps so we went with the ACT instead. We didn’t want to be guinea pigs for the new test and wait for the SAT to figure out the proper scoring. As it is, the concordance to the ACT has changed a couple of times since the new test came out.

    • Replies: @res
  59. @Twinkie

    This is really interesting: are the SAT scores only taken from American citizens or any one taking the SAT from anywhere in the world and of any citizenship? It’d be interesting to dissect these scores by those taken by citizens (of whatever sub-race within Asia: China vs India) vs non-citizens living in Asian countries.

  60. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:

    if it wasnt for their ethnocentrism jews would be history in hard sciences surpassed by east asians and in any verbal activities by indians , its time to learn something from them and start working harder than ever.

  61. J says: • Website

    Observing the 2019 SAT data, we see that the second generation Asians speaks good American English and excels not only in math but also in the verbal tests. Extrapolating, it is fathomable that this talented Asian generation will mature to leaders in fifteen years. America then will look like Thailand or Indonesia: a non-obstructive ethnic Asian business elite, a mass of third world lumpen, and a visible political class made up by Whites. In other words, the mestizo/mulatto majority will vote for White politicians while the academy and the economy will be managed by the Asian minority. The Jews will be blamed for all ills because it is so convenient for everybody.

  62. Clemsnman says:

    I read a quote from the President of Taiwan(?)some years ago, ‘Americans learn to develop technology and start businesses, our kids are good at taking tests’.

    It’s just too bad they don’t all take the “studies” majors, rendering the degree useless.

  63. @Twinkie

    Twinkie–thanks for the analysis and link.

  64. Spangel says:

    Did the change to the SAT actually improve the test’s prediction of who is likely to succeed in college? It isn’t exactly intended to be an intelligence test. It’s supposed to predict college performance and as that becomes less tied to intelligence, the test might as well follow suit.

    Females represent 53% of test takers, so one would expect that their test taking sample dips further into the left hand side of the bell curve than male test takers. For this reason, there should have been no reason to expect that female and male scores be equal and no reason to change the test on that account. Even still, making the test more favorable to girls might make it more predictive of college performance since girls do better on average in college.

    Trying to change the test so that blacks look less bad is a non starter. Everyone at college board has to know that.

    • Replies: @res
  65. @Anon

    Yeah, I don’t you can explain this by “cheating”. What is happening is probably a combination of increased amount of elite Asians sorting together and the average IQ of the Asian immigrant rising, and together with that, their offspring.

    So what we’re seeing is likely a mix of nature (higher IQ Asians) and nurture (more and more of them get concentrated in schools together and the prep-culture feeds off itself). NYC’s elite public high schools being a classic example, but the same pattern follows throughout the nation.

    Finally, these results should also put a caution on the bizarre 2015 PISA scores where whites outscored asians among US pupils. In many ways, the 2015 test was an outlier for many other reasons (Finland also bizarrely fell very badly whereas many poorer scoring countries like Brazil etc suddenly jumped).

  66. danand says:
    @Twinkie

    “The second big trend is the massive increase of Indians in America. Between 1990 and 2017, their population increased in America more than five-fold. They went from being a small fraction of the Asian population in America to being close to 20%. That is a dramatic change in the demographic composition of the category called “Asian.” Moreover, Indian immigration is EXTREMELY selective in terms of education. 72% of Indian immigrants have at least a bachelor’s degree while 40% have graduate degrees (unlike the past cohorts, however, Indians born in the U.S. don’t do much better than their foreign-born counterparts, 74% and 41%, respectively).”

    Twinkie, ring the bell, you are right on the money here. You hit every nail with your observations/take in your comment.

    • Agree: Prester John
  67. res says:
    @Alice in Wonderland

    The 1995 SAT recentering accounts for 80 points of that.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20120901210606/http://research.collegeboard.org/programs/sat/data/equivalence/sat-composites

    The remaining 170 points is still a huge difference though. Basically a bit more than a full standard deviation.

  68. res says:
    @AnonAnon

    As it is, the concordance to the ACT has changed a couple of times since the new test came out.

    Good to know. Comparing the combined SAT-ACT plot above to the SAT only version makes clear there is something funny going on in 2016-2018. Thanks for supplying the probable reason.

  69. res says:
    @Spangel

    Did the change to the SAT actually improve the test’s prediction of who is likely to succeed in college?

    You think ETS actually cares about that? Reducing the gaps (or attempting to anyway) is much more important. Well, that and inflating the scores so everyone can feel better about themselves.

    More seriously, I don’t think anyone is looking closely at the difference over time (I would be glad to be proved wrong). And those who are looking at college performance relative to SAT scores seem to focus on things like college GPA ignoring difficulty of college and courses. Which is a fairly useless measure.

    • Replies: @Spangel
  70. And the blacks are at the bottom of the pile. I mean–virtually no improvement in twenty years. No justice, no peace!!

    Some things never change.

  71. @anon

    This is just more of that bullshit research that finds incremental little differences and blows the conclusions out of proportion. It’s like the drinking wine will increase your life span. Maybe. But only by a little little bit, and only sometimes.

  72. The tests are incredibly easy. American children just all have ADD (ADD is real, I promise you–if you say it isn’t, you just have never seen it) and anyhow don’t feel like taking tests.

  73. Spangel says:
    @res

    Why did reducing this gap mean so much to them? The racial achievement gap gets a ton of attention but the slightly higher male score on the sat didn’t seem important to anyone.

    But yes, reducing a male female academic test score gap is usually easy as long as it’s not a pure math or science test so I guess they did it just because they could.

    College performance is hard to measure objectively since people don’t take the same level of classes but women have a higher graduation rate. Still, I wouldn’t compare genders to look at the utility of the test change. But I am curious as to whether or not the test change affects how well it predicts male student performance. It’s possible that male students who do better on the current version of the test vs the previous version tend to better in college as well.

    • Replies: @Veracitor
    , @res
  74. Veracitor says:
    @Spangel

    One recent big change to the SAT was to reduce the range of scores severely to make it impossible to see the differences between smart and very-smart test-takers. That change was aimed directly at the male/female score gap at the top; now on each section the top-scoring boys and girls both get 800’s (the max) whereas before the top boys would get 800 and the top girls 760 (or whatever). This change produced the phenomenon that the popular press swoons over: “so many more students get maximum SAT scores now— proving that American high schools must be super effective!” Of course the real motive was to hide the gap that got Larry Summers in hot water. (Since very few American black test takers get high scores at all, the change didn’t affect them, or “their” gap, to any important degree.)

  75. Lol. Clearly you people don’t know the utter depravity and corruption inherent in Asians.

    Guarantee you these “Asians” (especially Chinese) already have this year’s SAT test, next year’s, and know where it will be in 5 years.

    I have no doubt Asians work hard… but they also cheat. Like hell. Their cheating and fraud rings are larger than most of the boomer whites on UNZ can even comprehend.

    Just because they’re “quiet” and don’t beat you up over the last chicken wing, doesn’t make them good citizens or good people. You’re naive.

    Wake up. Only Indocon has been on the money so far.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  76. res says:
    @Spangel

    College performance is hard to measure objectively since people don’t take the same level of classes

    There is some interesting work which attempts to get around this.
    An alternative to traditional GPA for evaluating student performance
    https://projecteuclid.org/download/pdf_1/euclid.ss/1030037959

    In response to the growing problem of grade inflation in American undergraduate institutions, alternatives to GPA and GPA-based student assessment are discussed. One alternative summary, based on a Bayesian latent trait formulation, eliminates many of the inequities associated with GPA-based measures and has been proposed as a replacement for GPA-based class ranks at Duke University.

    More in this comment
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/occams-butterknife-2/#comment-3442146

  77. I’d guess it’s that the others are all getting dumber but the tests are getting easier too.

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