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From CNN:

Who will you blame once Obama’s gone?
By John Blake, CNN
Updated 9:33 AM ET, Fri November 27, 2015

… Consider the question of whether racial strife is now the norm.

“I don’t see that stopping when Obama is no longer president,” says Steve Sailer, who writes for Unz Review and Taki’s Magazine, both started by alumni of The American Conservative. “I can imagine a white president like Hillary [Clinton] upping the ante because she doesn’t have the benefit of being black.”

Sailer says Clinton will need to talk more about racial grievances to attract minority voters because she can’t count on the strong black support that Obama enjoyed.

Democrats, he says, have decided to build a coalition of “fringe” groups by demonizing people who “have rightful reasons for representing the core of Middle America.”

That decision, however, is sparking a white backlash, Sailer warns. More whites are starting to see the need to unite like other ethnic groups.

“It’s become more acceptable for people to insult whites, especially white men,” he says. “You’re seeing more and more whites starting to develop a certain amount of white identity.”

A modest degree of racial tension is pretty much inevitable, since you are talking about different people with different interests and different sets of relatives. Obama cynically relaunching the Battle of the Sexes during his re-election campaign, however, is more culpable since men and women have the same relatives on average. And it’s not as if Obama has any personal belief in the dogmas of feminism whatsoever.

 
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  1. What? CNN mentioned he who must not be named. What’s going on here Steve?

    Of all of the concepts you’ve birthed, I really like that the writer picked up on the Democrats being the coalition of fringes. I think that this will have some legs and it will burn.

    • Replies: @H2
    @TangoMan

    It's happening. The cracks are forming. What a glorious day!

    , @Desiderius
    @TangoMan


    What? CNN mentioned he who must not be named. What’s going on here Steve?
     
    My guess is that in their minds it's similar to the reason Apollo Creed originally fought Rocky.

    We'll see if Steve is up to the challenge.

    Don't forget who you've got in your corner.
    , @Drapetomaniac
    @TangoMan

    In terms of Western Civilization the coalition would be a coalition of interlopers. Or maybe a coalition of termites.

  2. Mr. Sailer, they didn’t even call you a racist. Are you entering the mainstream?

    They won’t allow comments on the article or is that just the general CNN policy?

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Romanian

    Yes, that kind of blew me away. CNN? Really? Maybe the realize that white identity politics is going mainstream, and they don't want to alienate their future market share.

    http://edition.cnn.com/profiles/john-blake

    Replies: @nglaer

  3. @TangoMan
    What? CNN mentioned he who must not be named. What's going on here Steve?

    Of all of the concepts you've birthed, I really like that the writer picked up on the Democrats being the coalition of fringes. I think that this will have some legs and it will burn.

    Replies: @H2, @Desiderius, @Drapetomaniac

    It’s happening. The cracks are forming. What a glorious day!

  4. The author Ishmael Reed calls Obama the Exorcist in Chief, someone whose mere presence in the Oval Office summoned “all the demons of American racism … from the sewer.”

    And I’m impressed that CNN has dug up Ishmael Reed from wherever he was.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @anon

    fuckin a right. sailer and reed? whoever this writer is he's got my attention

  5. My alma mater gets in on the white identity thing.

    https://www.facebook.com/Illinois-White-Student-Union-1702800449939426/

    The university, of course, is calling for the Illinois White Student Union page to be taken down by Facebook.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Shouting Thomas

    My alma matter also. Its amazing when I entered there in early 90's, being cool meant being preppy, ahh those rugby shirts. When I left in mid 90's, it was being as much ghetto as possible. That was the pivotal time of change, the time of "real life" at MTV.

    Replies: @SFG

  6. clearly a sell out and bought and paid for by ZOG. I will never read UNZ again.

    • Replies: @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    @anon

    Yo, Anon... If you're really bailing out of Unz, I for one will dearly miss having a balls-out paleo Nazi to kick around us Joooos: sans trigger warnings, sans safe places, sans wink-wink "the eskimos" and "the Amish", sans everything. Have a nice life.

  7. The Democrats are essentially the broken toys from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.

    Identity politics is pushing into DEFCON 2 and the hapless leftists do not even realize it. Once the bombers are sent past the fail safe zone all bets are certain and complete chaos is ensured.

    I have a bad feeling this next election may test the boundaries of the reason and force us into dark territory. At that point diversity demonstrates why it is a weakness.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @Yak-15

    Hilarious trolling! Well done madam.

  8. “Sailer says Clinton will need to talk more about racial grievances to attract minority voters because she can’t count on the strong black support that Obama enjoyed.”

    She’ll need to incite racial grievances not just because she isn’t black, but because in not being black the black voters will be more inclined to notice that Democrats aren’t actually doing anything for them.

    There’s also maybe an element of “once you go black you can never go back.” After the eight year orgasm of Obama, Hillary is going to be a serious letdown – the lover with electile dysfunction.

    The Democrats are stuck with the coalition of the fringes whether they want to be or not. The trouble is not only in all the non-fringes who get turned off by all the hate, but those who have divided loyalties. The most obvious members are white women, of course, but even white gays, Jews, and a few other groups will increasingly find themselves targeted by their supposed allies.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Wilkey


    There’s also maybe an element of “once you go black you can never go back.” After the eight year orgasm of Obama, Hillary is going to be a serious letdown – the lover with electile dysfunction.
     
    Dems are in for a Dinkins hangover. The black card has been played, and it won't excite left-leaning whites again for another generation. Dems could go for the Latino card, but they don't have a strong bench of Latino political talent, and no one gets that excited about Latinos politically anyway.

    The Dems best bet is a genuine-seeming populist like Sanders, who could get out their white vote, but he doesn't seem to want it enough to hit Hillary.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Sleep
    @Wilkey

    And it seems like the Democrats don't even pretend to care about the white working class anymore. They see a world in which the bottommost whites are somehow living "privileged" lives and upper class blacks need affirmative action in business and "safe spaces" at universities.

    It's never about "the poor" anymore, it's about "poor people of color" and so on. Even the other groups you mentioned are being divided by race, with the whites treated as if they were all upper class white Christian males. I've seen in person white homosexuals being told that they're oppressing "LGBT people of color" as if those are the only people that have rights.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  9. From the article:

    How much responsibility for increased racial tension rests with Obama? Could he have done anything at the beginning of his first term to reduce them? The answers are also varied.

    There are two components to racial tension, structural and situational. Obama couldn’t do anything about the structural issues, no one can, for they exist due to the fact that racial groups are sharing the same society. The situational issues move in only one direction – they add trouble onto the structural issues but can never be handled in such a way as to diminish the structural issues, so what we’re left with is Obama only making things worse with his actions and philosophy and also adding to the structural issue by increasing immigration.

    Coming at this question from a different perspective, no one can resolve the situational issues because they are the face of the who, whom issue. Make one group happy and you piss off other groups. The situational game is rigged by the structural issue. Here’s an example of a structural issue – you can’t have race hate crimes in a completely racially homogeneous society. There will be no racial tension there.

    In a multiracial society, there will always be tension because all groups are not equal. This manifests as inequality of outcomes and these unequal outcomes gnaw at the pride of the losers and efforts to create a perfectly equal opportunity society will never resolve the unequal outcomes which result from perfect equality of opportunity. Race becomes the visible mechanism by which to see the inequality. A homogeneous society has winners and losers but the losers can’t find easy ways to self-group. whereas in a heterogeneous society, when some racial groups are disproportionately on the low part of the totem pole, this becomes very visible to everyone and race becomes the factor by which they group together.

    Whites are most supportive of an Equal Opportunity Society and NAMS are most supportive of an Equal Outcome Society and there is no way to square this circle and make everyone happy.

    Mark Naison, a professor of history and African-American studies at Fordham University, says some whites are angry because their portion of the country’s population is shrinking. As the country gets browner, they get angrier.

    “They think this is their country, and they’re really special,” Naison says. “These tensions are going to get worse. We’re stumbling toward being a more multiracial society with everyone’s culture respected and everyone having a shot at leadership.”

    But it IS their country. Their ancestors created a patrimony that was passed onto them, just like parents leave an estate that is to be passed onto their children and we find it ludicrous to expect that a stranger can show up at the reading of someone’s will and expect to be cut in for an equal share of the estate alongside the children. Same with new immigrants – they’re expecting to share equally the benefits of the accumulated infrastructure and laws and mores of the society alongside those whose ancestors built and added value and shaped the society which attracted the immigrants to come to America.

    Ignoring this dynamic is the key to the argument that Naison makes.

    Secondly, he mentions everyone having a shot at leadership. This ties back to the battle between Equal Opportunity and Equal Outcome. HOW do NAMS get a shot at leadership, by earning their way there or by getting the skids greased to insure that equal outcomes result to favor them?

    “I’m never surprised at the depth of racism in America,” he says. “The depths of it are limitless. There is a well you can dig into if you are white that justifies almost any level of abuse that you can direct at a black person that challenges your comfort zone.”

    This is why separate countries were invented. Naison won’t have to deal with the effects of “racism” if he lived in a 100% black society.

    “That was his one chance to win over the low- and moderate-income whites that are deeply suspicious of him,” Naison says. “He could have won over whites with a New Deal jobs program rather than a health care act.”

    ObamaCare is a racial wealth redistribution system in effect, a wealth redistribution system in general and is part of the equal outcomes worldview.

    A jobs program, even if effective (just pretend) still leaves us with the structural issues and the opportunity:outcome battles, in other words, it doesn’t solve anything for Obama or race relations in general.

    “A lot of what drives bad race relations is scarcity in the working-class populations,” he says. “We have all of these looming questions with globalization and downsizing. These are underlying structural problems.”

    Then why are we importing poverty and competitors in the job market through immigration? The Center for Immigration Studies noted that since 2000, ALL new net jobs created have gone to immigrants at a time when native population growth was sufficient to fill the new jobs. So yeah, this guy is correct about part of the problem but I doubt he’s willing to suggest an immigration moratorium as a solution.

    • Agree: Mike Sylwester
    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @TangoMan

    Mark Naison is white. He's a former SDS radical.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @AndrewR

    , @Curle
    @TangoMan

    Nice analysis.

  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The reason people don’t vote for the GOP has less to do with it positioning itself as a “white party” (interestingly, when the GOP unabashedly DID fashion itself in public discourse as such it actually won elections – one of Buchanan’s most recent books provides a rather fascinating treatment of this phenomenon) then it does with the fact that the GOP has no actual platform other than unconditional support for Israel and Jewish interests by way of waging aggressive wars, sustaining a parasitic/cronyist Defense Industry caste that has been obsolete since the capitulation of the Soviet Union, and incoherent objections to welfare state initiatives – i.e. railing against the implementation of a bloated, state-capitalist insurance company bailout (Obamacare) that was originally conceived by their own party hacks in the 1990s (Bob Dole first among them) on grounds that it is “socialistic”.

    Nobody actually gives a fuck about the victimology propaganda narrative of “gays, women, and minorities” other than reconstructed Jewish communists, a disengaged, culturally senile minority of hyper-privileged whites (yes – ‘white privilege’ does exist – overeducated, overpaid parasitic white liberals are its beneficiaries) add ignorant and easily misled blacks and browns who can be grievance-motivated into showing up at the polls every election cycle in a manner similar to how simpletons in a pro-wrestling or carnival geek show audience can be moved to emotional delight or fury by smoke, mirrors, flash pyrotechnics, and the absurd monologues of a travelling barker.

    If ever something was/is certain, it’s that the Uighur immigrant working in the sight acquisition and compliance division of the ShitTech telecom firm cares about nothing less than what John Boehner and Ted Cruz are lisping about this week and how the GOP “feels about womyn and minorities”.

  11. Opposition to O has been presented as racist for eight years. In all that time, his loudest opponents haven’t been able to do a single thing about that and in many cases they’ve made it worse. Any response to that fact would illustrate the problem. Calling me names isn’t going to solve the problem. The Blaze or TruthRevolt saying the opposition to O isn’t racist (and look how non-racist we are!!!) isn’t going to solve the problem because those sites only matter to those who are the problem.

    I personally can’t imagine having a megaphone and consistently failing to try to solve problems.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @24AheadDotCom

    In all that time, his loudest opponents haven’t been able to do a single thing about that and in many cases they’ve made it worse.

    You can't change something that is assumed to be true without proof.

  12. White men are scared shirtless that they might have to compete on a level playing field. Cowardly once you think about it

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Anonymous

    Not sure if you meant field = USA; if so, I don't think that fear is huge; But, if you say field = World, yes, the fear is primal and instinctive. It doesn't take a genius to grasp the Bell Curve logic that 10% of World (say 5 billion) = 500 million can naturally out-compete the bottom 50% or even 60% of US workers (100 million). So, they instinctively grasp the cold market force logic that the only hope for bottom half is transfer payments. That hurts the ego to realize that their lives are useless.

    Replies: @SFG, @yaqub the mad scientist, @AnAnon

    , @Anon7
    @Anonymous

    Nicely sock-puppetted. I think that there are a lot of blue collar white guys in the current generation who worked hard in small factories all over the US, just like their dads and grand dads did, helping to tinker those factories into success, who then watched in dismay as the owners of those factories moved them to Mexico. Bastards.

    An isolated blue collar white guy, whose culture betrayed him, undoubtedly looks at workers who live on a few dollars a day with a sense of panic, because you can't live in the US on a few dollars a day, let alone support a family.

    Your "level playing field" is tilted hard in the direction of the rich, and everybody on Earth should feel "scared shirtless" about it.

    , @Anton Chigurh
    @Anonymous

    *eyeroll* Uh huh. That's it. You got us. LOL

  13. @Romanian
    Mr. Sailer, they didn't even call you a racist. Are you entering the mainstream?

    They won't allow comments on the article or is that just the general CNN policy?

    Replies: @Anonym

    Yes, that kind of blew me away. CNN? Really? Maybe the realize that white identity politics is going mainstream, and they don’t want to alienate their future market share.

    http://edition.cnn.com/profiles/john-blake

    • Replies: @nglaer
    @Anonym

    You note, of course, that John Blake is at least partially black. Probably has something to do with his readiness to look for interesting commenters, rather than politically safe ones. Amidst the absurdities of The Black Autumn, it's useful to remember that blacks are substantial cultural contributors to America, besides the obvious music and sports. Perhaps black dissidents more than the mainstream. Jared Taylor once told me that in speaking at college campuses, black students were the most genuinely interested in what he had to say.

  14. Great job, Steve. You got the most salient points into print, especially your ‘the coalition of fringes’ meme, one of the most significant memes of the Alternative Right in recent years.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Logical Meme

    Steve does deserve credit for emphasizing this, but the Democratic Party has always been a minority coalition party. This is discussed in mainstream political histories of the US.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

  15. “But it IS their country. Their ancestors created a patrimony that was passed onto them, just like parents leave an estate that is to be passed onto their children and we find it ludicrous to expect that a stranger can show up at the reading of someone’s will and expect to be cut in for an equal share of the estate alongside the children. Same with new immigrants – they’re expecting to share equally the benefits of the accumulated infrastructure and laws and mores of the society alongside those whose ancestors built and added value and shaped the society which attracted the immigrants to come to America.”

    But what did the descendants of the people who created this country expect when they allowed immigrants that were racially unrelated and less economically productive than them and gave them political power?

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Stan

    My ancestors had already thrown away the "posterity" clause in the Constitution's preamble when they continued bringing in millions of slaves, when a few thousand more English, Scots-Irish, French Huguenots, and Poles (for "diversity") would have done the trick to finish settlement.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Shouting Thomas
    My alma mater gets in on the white identity thing.

    https://www.facebook.com/Illinois-White-Student-Union-1702800449939426/

    The university, of course, is calling for the Illinois White Student Union page to be taken down by Facebook.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    My alma matter also. Its amazing when I entered there in early 90’s, being cool meant being preppy, ahh those rugby shirts. When I left in mid 90’s, it was being as much ghetto as possible. That was the pivotal time of change, the time of “real life” at MTV.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Anonymous

    Didn't Steve say rap hit Billboard in the 90s?

  17. An arsonist sets fires that roar out of control as he exits the scene. So who’s to blame? The firefighters? It it keeps burnin on and on but some will then say why keep blaming him, he’s been long gone.

  18. Hey! Nice coverage, Steve. And you know there are a bunch of others out there waiting to see if Blake gets lynched for interviewing you. And when he doesn’t there are going to be more articles by more people about you. Good stuff.

  19. They quoted you on CNN? Congratulations, dude! I think they all read you and this guy forgot he wasn’t supposed to refer to you.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @SFG

    This guy is the AA hire though.

  20. We were reading Steve before he was cool!

  21. Where you on camera?

  22. @TangoMan
    What? CNN mentioned he who must not be named. What's going on here Steve?

    Of all of the concepts you've birthed, I really like that the writer picked up on the Democrats being the coalition of fringes. I think that this will have some legs and it will burn.

    Replies: @H2, @Desiderius, @Drapetomaniac

    What? CNN mentioned he who must not be named. What’s going on here Steve?

    My guess is that in their minds it’s similar to the reason Apollo Creed originally fought Rocky.

    We’ll see if Steve is up to the challenge.

    Don’t forget who you’ve got in your corner.

  23. OT – NYFD firewoman who was hired despite failing a physical exam has injured herself after 10 days on the job and is now on medical leave.

    Why is the NYFD hiring 40 year old women to be firefighters? Well, we know why.

  24. @TangoMan
    What? CNN mentioned he who must not be named. What's going on here Steve?

    Of all of the concepts you've birthed, I really like that the writer picked up on the Democrats being the coalition of fringes. I think that this will have some legs and it will burn.

    Replies: @H2, @Desiderius, @Drapetomaniac

    In terms of Western Civilization the coalition would be a coalition of interlopers. Or maybe a coalition of termites.

  25. @Logical Meme
    Great job, Steve. You got the most salient points into print, especially your ‘the coalition of fringes’ meme, one of the most significant memes of the Alternative Right in recent years.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Steve does deserve credit for emphasizing this, but the Democratic Party has always been a minority coalition party. This is discussed in mainstream political histories of the US.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    No one in their right mind hires women nor 40 year olds to be firefighters. Ergo, they are not in their right minds. We already knew that. (Firefighters generally hire on at 21-25 and retire out in twenty years.)

    Railroads are hiring females and minorities well past the age they would hire a white male for craft positions. So are the larger telecoms.

    They-the HR and diversity types- are desperate to fill the diversity slots because they are convinced that the days for this kind of thing are numbered. That to me is a good sign.

  26. Nice to see the “coalition of the fringes” concept introduced to the mainstream.

    For years I’ve wondered why otherwise sensible whites thought an Obama presidency would “heal” racial tension but one needs to read between the lines to see what these people mean. Obama was never liked much by right-of-center whites, but there was still some hope among a number of Republican-types that he would use his power and influence to calm the typical black overreaction to dubious examples of racism whenever it sparked up. Nice, white, Bush-voters were frustrated that W got called a racist and blamed for Katrina, so maybe one benefit of having an Ivy-educated half-black president would be the reduction of instances of petty racial grievances. At least with Obama as president blacks wouldn’t have an excuse to let self-serving retarded nut-jobs like Al Sharpton stir them up so easily.

    Of course not only has Obama not sought to assuage the irrational fears of his dim-witted key constituency, he has flamed them for his political benefit. Nice whites, even those who didn’t vote for Obama, feel betrayed because they know an articulate, semi-intelligent half-black like Obama knows full well what he’s doing. The same man who appealed to moderate whites as the one to get us past racial issues has ratcheted up the divide even further.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @GW


    Obama was never liked much by right-of-center whites
     
    His 2004 speech was aimed dead at them, and was in their language to boot. That trick was something other Ds were unable (or unwilling) to do. He's always been extraordinarily talented at passing the UMC GOP Turing Test, and he's still a master at dividing GOP donors (and those who serve them) from GOP voters.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @AndrewR
    @GW

    I didn't vote in 2008 but I did like the vibe I got from Obama's race speeches. I really thought he would help heal the racial divide. Of course as you've noted, he has only inflamed tensions. Everyone across the political spectrum realizes race relations are far worse than in 2008 but progtards to this day claim that it's conservatives who have made things worse.

    , @NOTA
    @GW

    I think Obama benefitted a lot from the fact that he's exactly what well-intentioned whites want to happen with blacks in the US--he's smart, well-spoken, educated, successful, married to the mother of his kids, apparently a decent father, etc. For all the discussion about racism in America, the truth is that most of us want blacks to succeed. We wish they would do better in school, commit fewer crimes, have fewer kids out of wedlock. We'd like blacks to succeed. Most of us have black family, friends, neighbors, coworkers. We'd be ecstatic if black schools started performing up to the standards of white schools, if blacks committed no more crime than whites from now on, etc. It would be worth ten times what we're spending in affirmative action and discrimination lawsuits, it would be worth all the reparations Ta-Nahisi Coates could wish for, if somehow that stuff happened.

    Now, it's not reasonable to expect Obama to cause that kind of change by being elected--one man can set a decent example, but can't redesign the culture of a fifth of the population, or raise the IQ of millions of kids. But people often vote for non-rational reasons--you can see that in the way every presidential candidate plays up their toughness and patriotism, and how much more important that is than whether the candidate knows what he's talking about.

    Iuspect that both whites and blacks were hoping that somehow, Barack and Michelle Obama would fix things in American society that are broken beyond any one couple's ability to fix.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Desiderius

  27. @Anonymous
    White men are scared shirtless that they might have to compete on a level playing field. Cowardly once you think about it

    Replies: @epebble, @Anon7, @Anton Chigurh

    Not sure if you meant field = USA; if so, I don’t think that fear is huge; But, if you say field = World, yes, the fear is primal and instinctive. It doesn’t take a genius to grasp the Bell Curve logic that 10% of World (say 5 billion) = 500 million can naturally out-compete the bottom 50% or even 60% of US workers (100 million). So, they instinctively grasp the cold market force logic that the only hope for bottom half is transfer payments. That hurts the ego to realize that their lives are useless.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @epebble

    The other reason I'm for a big welfare state. Someone has to clean Steve Jobs' office. He should have health insurance. And as more and more things get automated, more people are going to wind up doing jobs like that,or nothing at all.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale, @Former Darfur

    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    @epebble

    Thanks for pointing that out. It's an obvious distinction, but rarely mentioned.

    , @AnAnon
    @epebble

    A 1 post commenter spouting obvious lies is a troll. We don't have anything resembling a level playing field when it is outright illegal for businesses to hire too many people that are white, and as to the converse, well white Americans are not a protected class.

  28. @TangoMan
    From the article:

    How much responsibility for increased racial tension rests with Obama? Could he have done anything at the beginning of his first term to reduce them? The answers are also varied.

    There are two components to racial tension, structural and situational. Obama couldn't do anything about the structural issues, no one can, for they exist due to the fact that racial groups are sharing the same society. The situational issues move in only one direction - they add trouble onto the structural issues but can never be handled in such a way as to diminish the structural issues, so what we're left with is Obama only making things worse with his actions and philosophy and also adding to the structural issue by increasing immigration.

    Coming at this question from a different perspective, no one can resolve the situational issues because they are the face of the who, whom issue. Make one group happy and you piss off other groups. The situational game is rigged by the structural issue. Here's an example of a structural issue - you can't have race hate crimes in a completely racially homogeneous society. There will be no racial tension there.

    In a multiracial society, there will always be tension because all groups are not equal. This manifests as inequality of outcomes and these unequal outcomes gnaw at the pride of the losers and efforts to create a perfectly equal opportunity society will never resolve the unequal outcomes which result from perfect equality of opportunity. Race becomes the visible mechanism by which to see the inequality. A homogeneous society has winners and losers but the losers can't find easy ways to self-group. whereas in a heterogeneous society, when some racial groups are disproportionately on the low part of the totem pole, this becomes very visible to everyone and race becomes the factor by which they group together.

    Whites are most supportive of an Equal Opportunity Society and NAMS are most supportive of an Equal Outcome Society and there is no way to square this circle and make everyone happy.

    Mark Naison, a professor of history and African-American studies at Fordham University, says some whites are angry because their portion of the country's population is shrinking. As the country gets browner, they get angrier.

    "They think this is their country, and they're really special," Naison says. "These tensions are going to get worse. We're stumbling toward being a more multiracial society with everyone's culture respected and everyone having a shot at leadership."

    But it IS their country. Their ancestors created a patrimony that was passed onto them, just like parents leave an estate that is to be passed onto their children and we find it ludicrous to expect that a stranger can show up at the reading of someone's will and expect to be cut in for an equal share of the estate alongside the children. Same with new immigrants - they're expecting to share equally the benefits of the accumulated infrastructure and laws and mores of the society alongside those whose ancestors built and added value and shaped the society which attracted the immigrants to come to America.

    Ignoring this dynamic is the key to the argument that Naison makes.

    Secondly, he mentions everyone having a shot at leadership. This ties back to the battle between Equal Opportunity and Equal Outcome. HOW do NAMS get a shot at leadership, by earning their way there or by getting the skids greased to insure that equal outcomes result to favor them?

    "I'm never surprised at the depth of racism in America," he says. "The depths of it are limitless. There is a well you can dig into if you are white that justifies almost any level of abuse that you can direct at a black person that challenges your comfort zone."

    This is why separate countries were invented. Naison won't have to deal with the effects of "racism" if he lived in a 100% black society.

    "That was his one chance to win over the low- and moderate-income whites that are deeply suspicious of him," Naison says. "He could have won over whites with a New Deal jobs program rather than a health care act."

    ObamaCare is a racial wealth redistribution system in effect, a wealth redistribution system in general and is part of the equal outcomes worldview.

    A jobs program, even if effective (just pretend) still leaves us with the structural issues and the opportunity:outcome battles, in other words, it doesn't solve anything for Obama or race relations in general.

    "A lot of what drives bad race relations is scarcity in the working-class populations," he says. "We have all of these looming questions with globalization and downsizing. These are underlying structural problems."

    Then why are we importing poverty and competitors in the job market through immigration? The Center for Immigration Studies noted that since 2000, ALL new net jobs created have gone to immigrants at a time when native population growth was sufficient to fill the new jobs. So yeah, this guy is correct about part of the problem but I doubt he's willing to suggest an immigration moratorium as a solution.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Curle

    Mark Naison is white. He’s a former SDS radical.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Maj. Kong


    Mark Naison is white. He’s a former SDS radical.
     
    From Wikipedia:

    Mark D. Naison was born in 1946 in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, New York. As the only child of Jewish intellectuals (both schoolteachers), Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steven Wilson

    , @AndrewR
    @Maj. Kong

    If Jews are white then why do they tend to expend so much effort destroying white civilization?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

  29. Bravo.

    It is nice to see this enter the public discourse with plenty of time prior to the election.

  30. Has FOX News ever mentioned you?

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @Mike Sylwester

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/28/pace-baby-making-could-hold-clues-to-economy-presidential-race.html

  31. @Anonymous
    @Logical Meme

    Steve does deserve credit for emphasizing this, but the Democratic Party has always been a minority coalition party. This is discussed in mainstream political histories of the US.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    No one in their right mind hires women nor 40 year olds to be firefighters. Ergo, they are not in their right minds. We already knew that. (Firefighters generally hire on at 21-25 and retire out in twenty years.)

    Railroads are hiring females and minorities well past the age they would hire a white male for craft positions. So are the larger telecoms.

    They-the HR and diversity types- are desperate to fill the diversity slots because they are convinced that the days for this kind of thing are numbered. That to me is a good sign.

  32. The shunning of Steve Sailer has been an anachronism for the past few years. Remember the sudden anti-white gloating in the media after the 2012 election? That’s when they let the cat out of the bag. Prior to that, they denied that there was a racial struggle going on and shunned everybody as a racist lunatic and paranoid who even raised such issues. Then they declared permanent victory in the war against whites. The tea party, the cuckservatives and Romney were dumbfounded. They thought the election was really about disagreements concerning healthcare policy.

    We have also seen the shift from “racism”, a state of mind, to the original sin of “white privilege”. To the extent that Steve Sailer is still unmentionable, it is no longer because of his baseless phantasies and obsessions about race that no one in polite society should even think about. He is now a pariah because he is on the wrong side of the central issue of race and whiteness that should be on everybody’s minds.

  33. Sailer says Clinton will need to talk more about racial grievances to attract minority voters because she can’t count on the strong black support that Obama enjoyed.

    The Democratic nominee for president can’t count on strong black support?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Truth

    She can't count on them turning out to vote in large enough numbers. Unless she'll win by a landslide she won't be able to afford a lot of blacks to stay at home.

    , @Shine a Light
    @Truth

    Trump is polling 25% among blacks and has a big event scheduled Monday in which he will meet with around a 100 black pastors.

    And this is still Republican primary season. Once we get to the general Trump can make more explicit appeals to black voters--they will hugely benefit from immigration restriction and a re-industrialization of the US through trade restrictions. Also many blacks are not happy being ethnically cleansed by Hispanics (and in some cases, liberal whites) from such places as Compton, Oakland, and Harlem.

    , @Anonymous
    @Truth

    When I wore my Trump t-shirt to a VA Medical Center a couple months ago, I had two older black guys came up to me and say they liked my t-shirt.

  34. @GW
    Nice to see the "coalition of the fringes" concept introduced to the mainstream.

    For years I've wondered why otherwise sensible whites thought an Obama presidency would "heal" racial tension but one needs to read between the lines to see what these people mean. Obama was never liked much by right-of-center whites, but there was still some hope among a number of Republican-types that he would use his power and influence to calm the typical black overreaction to dubious examples of racism whenever it sparked up. Nice, white, Bush-voters were frustrated that W got called a racist and blamed for Katrina, so maybe one benefit of having an Ivy-educated half-black president would be the reduction of instances of petty racial grievances. At least with Obama as president blacks wouldn't have an excuse to let self-serving retarded nut-jobs like Al Sharpton stir them up so easily.

    Of course not only has Obama not sought to assuage the irrational fears of his dim-witted key constituency, he has flamed them for his political benefit. Nice whites, even those who didn't vote for Obama, feel betrayed because they know an articulate, semi-intelligent half-black like Obama knows full well what he's doing. The same man who appealed to moderate whites as the one to get us past racial issues has ratcheted up the divide even further.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @AndrewR, @NOTA

    Obama was never liked much by right-of-center whites

    His 2004 speech was aimed dead at them, and was in their language to boot. That trick was something other Ds were unable (or unwilling) to do. He’s always been extraordinarily talented at passing the UMC GOP Turing Test, and he’s still a master at dividing GOP donors (and those who serve them) from GOP voters.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Desiderius

    If Obama were white, he'd likely be a David Brooks-style slightly right of center guy. Being black lets him indulge his conservative racial loyalist side without any repercussions.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Desiderius

  35. A shame that no one mentioned obama’s culpability in stoking black anger to drive them to the polls for him.

    I’m curious about trumps promise to bring out 100 black pastors who support him on Monday.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @wren

    Obama has very little to do with stoking that anger, as far as I can see. That's mainly incriminating-to-the-cops video getting public exposure and the prestuge media covering and thus amplifying the resulting protests. Obama's hand in that is occasionally making comment about the story behind whatever protest is going on.

  36. Its good that you got mentioned on CNN. But I still take issue with fringe and core. Yes, my ancestors fought for this country and bled for it: in the Mexican War, in the Civil War, in WWI, in WWII, in Korea, and Vietnam. But like Emilio Estevez said, that was then, this is now.

    Whites and particularly Straight White Men ARE THE FRINGE. We are. White women will generally side with non-Whites in the diversity spoils train, and even when White women marry they don’t stay married for long; divorced White women are extra helpings of anti-White, as they consider themselves honorary non-Whites and want to “get” their ex husbands who they loathe generally for being beta males. [Women initiate something like 70% of divorces, and its generally for the men just not being sexy enough.]

    Functionally, White men are in the minority. Add in White non-married women, non-Whites, and that is the majority of the population. More so when illegal aliens who lets be honest do vote, early and often, are added into the mix.

    Therefore as a fringe, and one freely insulted without consequence, it is time for White men to be feared. Abandon love, that is for losers. The Anonymous Collective has been reasonably effective in publicizing dirty deeds. The dirty little secret about Diversity is that most non-White men are as corrupt and as dirty as Al Sharpton if not moreso.

    White male identity politics is a must, and the only way forward. The weapon should be digging up dirt on every enemy (basically everyone who is not a Straight White Male and those Straight White males allied with those outside the group).

    My disagreement with Steve is that White men and women have vastly different interests. White women’s main interests are with non-Whites, its why White women love love love Oprah and White men even ones like Jimmy Kimmel, ultra-liberal, hate her [Kimmel and Carolla created the Man Show as the Anti-Oprah]. White women can well in non-White majority countries and they flock there to Eat-Pray-Love. You don’t see White men flocking to Africa the way White women do. A multi-racial society is always more attractive to women particularly those of even marginal attractiveness as they do better, far better, then White men.

    White women are part of the diversity gravy train even if they are last; White men are excluded. White men find non-White women unattractive save Asian females; White women find non-White men attractive save Asian men; for the most part. White men are viewed as a threat to be eliminated by non-White men; White women are viewed as a prize to be taken by non-White men.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Whiskey

    White women flock to Africa?? How many exactly do you think go to Africa yearly??

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Shine a Light
    @Whiskey

    In the end whites are in a Battle of the Cradle and the last thing we need are further wedges being driven between white men and women. One side of this coin is Feminism, primarily a Jewish ideology aimed at convincing white women that a life devoted to the corporation is preferable to one raising children. It’s fine that a “game” community has risen up in defiance of the feminist movement – what is not fine is the whole “pick-up artist” that posits the ultimate goal of white men should be a an endless string of weekends banging recently retired porn stars at nightclubs.

    On the other side of the Feminism coin is “Whiskeyism” the idea that white women are all useless sluts desiring black or brown men. One remarkable thing about the alt-right crowd on Twitter is the number of white women down with nationalism and anti-feminist. So we must reject Whiskey-ism and develop a Maternalist ideology that celebrates strong women mothering the next generation as well as men devoting themselves -- not to notching their belts with porn stars -- but with raising their children. The last thing whites need to do is accept a ghetto inspired image of men as pick-up artists.

    And so Trump’s nationalism will make the transition easier to wean white women off the Democratic party. As a nationalist, Trump will not hesitate on the one hand to provide childcare assistance but on the other will increase salaries due to the laws of labor supply and demand and allow more single income households.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @JSM
    @Whiskey

    Women initiate something like 70% of divorces, and its generally for the men just not being sexy enough

    I'm sooooo sick of this statement, Whiskey. You have NO PROOF it's "generally for the men not being sexy enough."


    Yes, women initiate 70% of divorce proceedings, BUT, since no-fault divorce laws means no reason is stated in the paperwork for wanting the divorce, you can NOT just assume it's because "the husband isn't sexy enough." You don't KNOW the reason. So you have no proof it's because "the husband isn't sexy enough." You're just pulling it out of yer hiney.

    OTOH, in every single case *I* know of where the woman initiated the divorce, it was for a very good reason: infidelity, or alcoholism, or abuse (and I'm talking about being, yes, actually hit -- which was a result of his being a mean drunk) or general refusal to be a good, mature husband, such as spending the money she and he'd both saved --for a house, she thought--on a boat without even asking her.

    So, just because the woman *initiates* divorce proceedings, doesn't mean SHE broke the marriage. In the cases where the guy was fooling around / out drinking and carousing, blowing the money, HE broke the marriage. Her filing is just, then, her acknowledgement the marriage is broken, but the divorce wasn't (all) her fault, and it certainly wasn't about him "not being sexy enough." In fact, from what I've seen, it was the fact that he was a sexy bad boy in the first place that was the seed of the eventual breakup.

    Oh, you say, my anecdotes are not data? Well, where is YOUR proof? You are basing everything YOU say on your observations, too. So who am I going to believe, Whiskers or my own lying eyes?

  37. Blaming Obama for the spike in white racism since his election is ridiculously ass-backwards. It can only make sense to the Party Of Stupid.

    These same haters will be blaming Hillary for the inevitable spike in misogyny if she is elected the first female President…

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    @Bliss

    Why does a colored person have a hangover after an all-night drinking session? Racism, of course.

  38. @Maj. Kong
    @TangoMan

    Mark Naison is white. He's a former SDS radical.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @AndrewR

    Mark Naison is white. He’s a former SDS radical.

    From Wikipedia:

    Mark D. Naison was born in 1946 in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, New York. As the only child of Jewish intellectuals (both schoolteachers), Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @ben tillman

    "Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood."

    Has anybody ever before said they had an easy childhood?

    I had an easy childhood, but I don't recall ever saying that.

    Replies: @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Desiderius, @ben tillman, @CK, @Anonymous

    , @Steven Wilson
    @ben tillman

    I love the presumption that his parents were intellectuals because they were schoolteachers. I know that things have changed and that standards have been lowered, but to automatically assign intellectual status to people merely because they are schoolteachers is a bit of a stretch. My experience with schoolteachers over the course of my life has not made the conflation of intellectual and teacher a done deal. Of course, I'm not saying that the absence of intellectuals in the frontline trenches is a bad thing, but I'm inclined to think Naison thinks intellectual is one of the higher echelons one can aspire to.

  39. @Truth

    Sailer says Clinton will need to talk more about racial grievances to attract minority voters because she can’t count on the strong black support that Obama enjoyed.
     
    The Democratic nominee for president can't count on strong black support?

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Shine a Light, @Anonymous

    She can’t count on them turning out to vote in large enough numbers. Unless she’ll win by a landslide she won’t be able to afford a lot of blacks to stay at home.

  40. @Truth

    Sailer says Clinton will need to talk more about racial grievances to attract minority voters because she can’t count on the strong black support that Obama enjoyed.
     
    The Democratic nominee for president can't count on strong black support?

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Shine a Light, @Anonymous

    Trump is polling 25% among blacks and has a big event scheduled Monday in which he will meet with around a 100 black pastors.

    And this is still Republican primary season. Once we get to the general Trump can make more explicit appeals to black voters–they will hugely benefit from immigration restriction and a re-industrialization of the US through trade restrictions. Also many blacks are not happy being ethnically cleansed by Hispanics (and in some cases, liberal whites) from such places as Compton, Oakland, and Harlem.

  41. Repression of the right has forced it to adapt and evolve whereas the left has simply dug in and resisted change. As a consequence, everything new and interesting is happening on the right. The left is intellectually dead and if it was not for the fact that the mass media is totally on their side, this dam would have burst long ago. The good news is that when the market corrects this imbalance, it will occur very quickly.

  42. @anon

    The author Ishmael Reed calls Obama the Exorcist in Chief, someone whose mere presence in the Oval Office summoned "all the demons of American racism ... from the sewer."
     
    And I'm impressed that CNN has dug up Ishmael Reed from wherever he was.

    Replies: @gruff

    fuckin a right. sailer and reed? whoever this writer is he’s got my attention

  43. Pat Casey says:

    Very good Steve very good. And cheers to Blake. “If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is.” And punches were deftly pulled I do say well done.

    As someone said of someone about something else, he would only guess when the crux was foolproof. The foolproof fact about Steve is that CNN won’t own him, either way, which is exactly why a column should just quote him, and should— shall— continue to quote him, because quotes are as good as guesses to the columnist, you don’t own em cause you didn’t say em.

    The German kids I know want to keep up with being German, the Brit interlopers never tire of talking about Americans, the Italians as ever got their own grand style, and the Irish still keep poppin up pubs… Should trends continue, T-Neezy no-Coat will be proved right and damn right: people who think they’re white are phantoms on the way out. Back in with the ethnics, full bore.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Pat Casey

    More fun for everyone, but without a mainstream 'American' culture things are going to get a lot more balkanized because it's easier to play one white ethnic group against the other.

    Replies: @Pat Casey

    , @AndrewR
    @Pat Casey

    Given the interethnic miscegenation that has taken place among white Americans for centuries, this seems unlikely. How many "purebreeds" are left in the US (assuming their immigrant ancestors could be reasonably described as such to begin with). My ancestors in 1600 lived in many different places.

    Replies: @Pat Casey

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Pat Casey


    And cheers to Blake. “If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is.”
     
    That didn't work for a certain fellow who led a band which took its name from that very line.

    the Irish still keep poppin up pubs…
     
    Perhaps you should spend a little less time in the Casey family's.

    Replies: @Pat Casey

  44. Tim Wise has a piece up on the CNN website: What whites don’t know about racism

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @MEH 0910

    And when you're done with Tom Wise, have a good laugh at Ladd Everitt's assertion that gun control isn't racist:

    http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/debunking-the-gun-control-is-racist-smear/

    Of course, the real point isn't wheter gun control is racist, but whether reality is, and having different firearms laws for different races is just common sense.

    It's never about the Second. It's always about the Fourteenth.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

    , @David In TN
    @MEH 0910

    A few years ago, Tim Wise's home address was put on the internet. Out of curiosity, I drove by. Wise lived in one of the whitest, most affluent neighborhoods in Nashville, Tennessee.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

  45. @Yak-15
    The Democrats are essentially the broken toys from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.

    Identity politics is pushing into DEFCON 2 and the hapless leftists do not even realize it. Once the bombers are sent past the fail safe zone all bets are certain and complete chaos is ensured.

    I have a bad feeling this next election may test the boundaries of the reason and force us into dark territory. At that point diversity demonstrates why it is a weakness.

    Replies: @gruff

    Hilarious trolling! Well done madam.

  46. @ben tillman
    @Maj. Kong


    Mark Naison is white. He’s a former SDS radical.
     
    From Wikipedia:

    Mark D. Naison was born in 1946 in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, New York. As the only child of Jewish intellectuals (both schoolteachers), Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steven Wilson

    “Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood.”

    Has anybody ever before said they had an easy childhood?

    I had an easy childhood, but I don’t recall ever saying that.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    @Steve Sailer

    The man's enemies are spiteful enough to edit his wiki page w/ snide comments, so there's that

    , @Truth
    @Steve Sailer


    I had an easy childhood,
     
    That' snot what I hears Steve, the scuttlebutt around the valley is that you were the leader of the west coast chapter of the Van Buren Boys.

    Replies: @Olorin

    , @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    Only grown-ups think that their childhood was easy.

    It's a matter of perspective.

    , @ben tillman
    @Steve Sailer


    “Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood.”

    Has anybody ever before said they had an easy childhood?
     
    I'm sure I was as surprised (and amused) as anyone to read that. Also amusing was the fact that what followed seemed to contradict that statement.
    , @CK
    @Steve Sailer

    It depends on the definition of easy, does it not?

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh come on, Steve. You're way too modest. Everybody knows that pimpin' ain't easy.

  47. @Wilkey
    "Sailer says Clinton will need to talk more about racial grievances to attract minority voters because she can’t count on the strong black support that Obama enjoyed."

    She'll need to incite racial grievances not just because she isn't black, but because in not being black the black voters will be more inclined to notice that Democrats aren't actually doing anything for them.

    There's also maybe an element of "once you go black you can never go back." After the eight year orgasm of Obama, Hillary is going to be a serious letdown - the lover with electile dysfunction.

    The Democrats are stuck with the coalition of the fringes whether they want to be or not. The trouble is not only in all the non-fringes who get turned off by all the hate, but those who have divided loyalties. The most obvious members are white women, of course, but even white gays, Jews, and a few other groups will increasingly find themselves targeted by their supposed allies.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Sleep

    There’s also maybe an element of “once you go black you can never go back.” After the eight year orgasm of Obama, Hillary is going to be a serious letdown – the lover with electile dysfunction.

    Dems are in for a Dinkins hangover. The black card has been played, and it won’t excite left-leaning whites again for another generation. Dems could go for the Latino card, but they don’t have a strong bench of Latino political talent, and no one gets that excited about Latinos politically anyway.

    The Dems best bet is a genuine-seeming populist like Sanders, who could get out their white vote, but he doesn’t seem to want it enough to hit Hillary.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Dave Pinsen

    "Dems could go for the Latino card, but they don’t have a strong bench of Latino political talent, and no one gets that excited about Latinos politically anyway."

    Julian Castro is THE CHOSEN ONE, personally handpicked and groomed by George Soros to lead The Democratic Party into the next decade of the 2020s.

    Julian Castro is Anakin Skywalker to George Soros Palpatine. Julian Castro will embrace the dark side when he runs for president on an anti-White platform.

    Julian Castro will become a stronger political force on the Left than Bill Clinton's wife because he is not Stale and Pale like Hillary Clinton. Race trumps gender in the KKK Crazy Glue Of The Democratic Party Fringes.

  48. @Desiderius
    @GW


    Obama was never liked much by right-of-center whites
     
    His 2004 speech was aimed dead at them, and was in their language to boot. That trick was something other Ds were unable (or unwilling) to do. He's always been extraordinarily talented at passing the UMC GOP Turing Test, and he's still a master at dividing GOP donors (and those who serve them) from GOP voters.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    If Obama were white, he’d likely be a David Brooks-style slightly right of center guy. Being black lets him indulge his conservative racial loyalist side without any repercussions.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Steve Sailer

    I know you know this but Obama is equally black and white. Perhaps even more white than black due to his upbringing. The fact that he has thrown his lot in with the descendents of slaves descended from West Africa does not make him any blacker than he is white.

    Many folks on the right mock the leftist dogma that "race is a social construct" but nowhere near as many seem to question the idea is "black" and "not white", even if Obama himself subscribes to that idea.

    Race is not entirely socially constructed but the racial classification of Obama shows it is socially constructed to a great deal.

    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Steve Sailer

    Nailed it.

    , @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    Obama is white, in the SWPL sense, though he can (usually) pass for black when it's useful to him (and/or blacks).

    One of the reasons I'm not crazy about white identity. Still bitterly clinging to my American one.

  49. Steve Sailer on CNN!!! And to think we all knew him when!!! Good work!!!

  50. His anointed successor and Fleetwood Mac fan
    ?
    Tell me lies
    Tell me sweet little lies
    (Tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)
    Oh, no, no you can’t disguise
    (You can’t disguise, no you can’t disguise)

    Tell me lies
    Tell me sweet little lies
    (Tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)
    Oh, no, no you can’t disguise
    (You can’t disguise, no you can’t disguise)
    Tell me lies
    Tell me sweet little lies
    (Tell me, tell me lies)

    “To hear Hillary Clinton tell it, she was named for Sir Edmund Hillary, the conqueror of Mount Everest — even though she was already 6 years old when he made his famous ascent.”

    “When confronted with the obvious discrepancy in her “Edmund Hillary” story, she characteristically shifted the blame to her mother, Dorothy, saying the fable was something her mother told her.”

    Here’s Hillary (below)

    10 signs of a sociopath
    1. They Are Intense About Everything. I really do mean everything, their stories are grandiose fabrications,

    9. They Will Never Apologize To You

    As far as they are concerned, they are never wrong, and because of that they will never apologize. Their belief that they are perfect and entitled to everything makes them invincible in their minds.

  51. @Maj. Kong
    @TangoMan

    Mark Naison is white. He's a former SDS radical.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @AndrewR

    If Jews are white then why do they tend to expend so much effort destroying white civilization?

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @AndrewR

    IMO, they think (for a variety of reasons) that living in a predominantly Muslim society, with no ethnic majority, will provide them security that Western society will not. Think the Ottoman Empire and Al-Andalus. While those societies weren't liberal paradises, as the Jewish historian of Islam Bernard Lewis pointed out, the Jewish intellectuals viewed them with rose colored glasses to morally shame 19th century Christians.

    This may only be a Western (Ashkenazim) habit, I can't imagine that Sephardi from the Middle East, who were kicked out after the formation of Israel, would have this same attitude. Supposedly there is an IQ disparity between the two, but I'm not HBD-familiar.

    Replies: @Gringo, @anon

  52. The Dems best bet is a genuine-seeming populist like Sanders, who could get out their white vote, but he doesn’t seem to want it enough to hit Hillary

    Some of Bernie’s left-critics have maintained from the start that he’s just a ‘sheepdog’ designed to get the white leftists all riled up, to make sure that they turn out on election day–for Hillary. Bernie himself, they maintain, has no real intention of winning. Thus, he rails away against elites without noting that Hillary is part of that elite.

    It’s starting to look like they were right about him.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Seamus Padraig

    The WSWS has long documented this phenomenon. Candidates like Sanderspose as left wing, then turn around and boost neoliberalism. The WSWS is not the sort of website many readers here are likely familiar with. Its analysis is excellent.

    See "Is Bernie Sanders a socialist?"Tom Hall and Barry Grey. World Socialist Website
    16 July 2015

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/16/sand-j16.html

  53. @Truth

    Sailer says Clinton will need to talk more about racial grievances to attract minority voters because she can’t count on the strong black support that Obama enjoyed.
     
    The Democratic nominee for president can't count on strong black support?

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Shine a Light, @Anonymous

    When I wore my Trump t-shirt to a VA Medical Center a couple months ago, I had two older black guys came up to me and say they liked my t-shirt.

  54. Oh wow, they spelled your name right and everything! Ha, I always knew those lamestream clowns read you, but now they’re mentioning you by name! Very gradually, your scratching away with facts and logical analysis is shifting the window

  55. @SFG
    They quoted you on CNN? Congratulations, dude! I think they all read you and this guy forgot he wasn't supposed to refer to you.

    Replies: @Anonym

    This guy is the AA hire though.

  56. @Anonymous
    @Shouting Thomas

    My alma matter also. Its amazing when I entered there in early 90's, being cool meant being preppy, ahh those rugby shirts. When I left in mid 90's, it was being as much ghetto as possible. That was the pivotal time of change, the time of "real life" at MTV.

    Replies: @SFG

    Didn’t Steve say rap hit Billboard in the 90s?

  57. @epebble
    @Anonymous

    Not sure if you meant field = USA; if so, I don't think that fear is huge; But, if you say field = World, yes, the fear is primal and instinctive. It doesn't take a genius to grasp the Bell Curve logic that 10% of World (say 5 billion) = 500 million can naturally out-compete the bottom 50% or even 60% of US workers (100 million). So, they instinctively grasp the cold market force logic that the only hope for bottom half is transfer payments. That hurts the ego to realize that their lives are useless.

    Replies: @SFG, @yaqub the mad scientist, @AnAnon

    The other reason I’m for a big welfare state. Someone has to clean Steve Jobs’ office. He should have health insurance. And as more and more things get automated, more people are going to wind up doing jobs like that,or nothing at all.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @SFG


    The other reason I’m for a big welfare state.
     
    You have two reasons to support it?!?! After all the damage it's done in its first century and a half? (100-200m in democides, another 50m or so in combat deaths, suicidally liberal immigration policies... Do I need to add more?)

    Welfare should be returned to the church, whence it came, and the state should keep its dirty, bloody hands off it. We need a First Amendment specifically for that.
    , @Brutusale
    @SFG

    That somebody is called Roomba!

    , @Former Darfur
    @SFG

    After you clean Steve Jobs' office you can go to the Scientologists because all the churches and offices have an office for L. Ron Hubbard. It is kept clean and working at all times. There is a current office phone and it has its own extension. They actually are taught to be prepared for him to walk in the door someday and go to work.

  58. @Pat Casey
    Very good Steve very good. And cheers to Blake. “If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is.” And punches were deftly pulled I do say well done.

    As someone said of someone about something else, he would only guess when the crux was foolproof. The foolproof fact about Steve is that CNN won’t own him, either way, which is exactly why a column should just quote him, and should--- shall--- continue to quote him, because quotes are as good as guesses to the columnist, you don't own em cause you didn't say em.

    The German kids I know want to keep up with being German, the Brit interlopers never tire of talking about Americans, the Italians as ever got their own grand style, and the Irish still keep poppin up pubs… Should trends continue, T-Neezy no-Coat will be proved right and damn right: people who think they’re white are phantoms on the way out. Back in with the ethnics, full bore.

    Replies: @SFG, @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar

    More fun for everyone, but without a mainstream ‘American’ culture things are going to get a lot more balkanized because it’s easier to play one white ethnic group against the other.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    @SFG

    Your point is worth a good response, because I mostly am serious.

    From what I can tell, being a serious adult means taking what's in front of you seriously or ignoring it outright. Steve is apt to remind, rather apt to teach the unlearned, that the public debates of USA cyber salons have been regurgitating themselves fifty years agone. That sounds like a joke. So why ought serious intellectuals take the cycle seriously any longer? I'm serious. This thing called the web need not them.

    My point is that people like Steve, and especially Steve should either adopt a deferential tone to those who have inarguably attained (or acquired) positions of greatness (NYT think-page does=greatness in a form) or ignore them and start their own conversations in earnest (with due deliberation yes). Steve's best stuff is generally what the anointed don't touch, don't sully, never mention. I happen to think Steve's movie reviews are the best in the world, and will be read by american guys like me when I'm his age---if I have anything to say about that.Art matters the most.

    Why will a balkanized circle of white american writers not eat each other alive? Because social evolutions don't stop, and the major social evolution in discourse has been utterly passed over and sort of pasted over with pother: I'm speaking about the ability of european men of different national decent to debate one another no holds bar by only fair rules. I mean truly, look around. We all know how stupid it sounds to say we need to have a conversation. But you know what is dumber than that? The fact that no one around here mentions those were exactly the words Michael Oakeshott used to describe what was best in the English debate tradition, a conversation held lively, which was acrimoniously hampered from a more perfect evolution by the socialists. Think: That name Oakeshott was once an oracle on the right, and he seems to have been forgotten--- now that an Irishman named Bill Buckley no longer presides, no one with the natural tone to teach seems to care (Ron Unz has responsibility to write more goddamnit) that is to teach the ones with ears to hear. Steve needs extra shoulders.

    Finally, I won't budge on this point, and I don't see too many takers flaunting they want a bout: "They have gone about the world like wind/They weighed so little what they gave." My race has 700 years of those men. Which means when an Irishman speaks as an Irishman about this trend called history, you damn well listen to him, because his speech knows legions of ghosts. In fifty years if the same public debates about blacks and women and immigrants and hate-speech are still spitting feathers across this nation, no one will say, the race of poets was deeply invested, and that's why the crap never went away.

    Steve should remember he owes his son a new conversation, that no one might not start if he doesn't, whatever the segue.

  59. @Steve Sailer
    @Desiderius

    If Obama were white, he'd likely be a David Brooks-style slightly right of center guy. Being black lets him indulge his conservative racial loyalist side without any repercussions.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Desiderius

    I know you know this but Obama is equally black and white. Perhaps even more white than black due to his upbringing. The fact that he has thrown his lot in with the descendents of slaves descended from West Africa does not make him any blacker than he is white.

    Many folks on the right mock the leftist dogma that “race is a social construct” but nowhere near as many seem to question the idea is “black” and “not white”, even if Obama himself subscribes to that idea.

    Race is not entirely socially constructed but the racial classification of Obama shows it is socially constructed to a great deal.

  60. @epebble
    @Anonymous

    Not sure if you meant field = USA; if so, I don't think that fear is huge; But, if you say field = World, yes, the fear is primal and instinctive. It doesn't take a genius to grasp the Bell Curve logic that 10% of World (say 5 billion) = 500 million can naturally out-compete the bottom 50% or even 60% of US workers (100 million). So, they instinctively grasp the cold market force logic that the only hope for bottom half is transfer payments. That hurts the ego to realize that their lives are useless.

    Replies: @SFG, @yaqub the mad scientist, @AnAnon

    Thanks for pointing that out. It’s an obvious distinction, but rarely mentioned.

  61. @Stan
    "But it IS their country. Their ancestors created a patrimony that was passed onto them, just like parents leave an estate that is to be passed onto their children and we find it ludicrous to expect that a stranger can show up at the reading of someone’s will and expect to be cut in for an equal share of the estate alongside the children. Same with new immigrants – they’re expecting to share equally the benefits of the accumulated infrastructure and laws and mores of the society alongside those whose ancestors built and added value and shaped the society which attracted the immigrants to come to America."

    But what did the descendants of the people who created this country expect when they allowed immigrants that were racially unrelated and less economically productive than them and gave them political power?

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

    My ancestors had already thrown away the “posterity” clause in the Constitution’s preamble when they continued bringing in millions of slaves, when a few thousand more English, Scots-Irish, French Huguenots, and Poles (for “diversity”) would have done the trick to finish settlement.

  62. @Pat Casey
    Very good Steve very good. And cheers to Blake. “If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is.” And punches were deftly pulled I do say well done.

    As someone said of someone about something else, he would only guess when the crux was foolproof. The foolproof fact about Steve is that CNN won’t own him, either way, which is exactly why a column should just quote him, and should--- shall--- continue to quote him, because quotes are as good as guesses to the columnist, you don't own em cause you didn't say em.

    The German kids I know want to keep up with being German, the Brit interlopers never tire of talking about Americans, the Italians as ever got their own grand style, and the Irish still keep poppin up pubs… Should trends continue, T-Neezy no-Coat will be proved right and damn right: people who think they’re white are phantoms on the way out. Back in with the ethnics, full bore.

    Replies: @SFG, @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar

    Given the interethnic miscegenation that has taken place among white Americans for centuries, this seems unlikely. How many “purebreeds” are left in the US (assuming their immigrant ancestors could be reasonably described as such to begin with). My ancestors in 1600 lived in many different places.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    @AndrewR

    That's the point I need to argue against, you are right absoltuely. And you are correct that I really can't beat it on my own terms.

    My best response is that no one knows what it feels like to be a purebred, but everyone knows what it feels like to be called by their name. I am simply saying try to feel that feeling yourself a little more, a little more. Or change your name to the line that means the most, or that you simply intuit the most.

    My mom's mom's people were on the ship with Penn, yes they were. But somehow the dusty record of Tim Casey, twice arrested for starting riots for the sake of starving peasants before he braved the coffin ships and beat them all the way to Chicago, that record rings my heartstrings too much not to carry the name he gave me around like trophy belt. Forgive my romance, seriously. My point is I know that I am not speaking properly about ancestry when I invoke the vision of more regard given to ancestry among white americans when we debate what interests are at stake when the anointed shove issues around.

    But maybe consider that Romanticism had an uneven relationship with the island Ireland, so that Augustan solid single things were not forgotten nor transmuted under organicism so much as treated as surface with style. "But I, entelechy, form of forms, am I by memory because under everchanging forms." My point is that a name could never tell you a thing about who you are except about your style. Whatever your bent there is no reason not to deeply consider that, a point by the way I got from reading Hugh Kenner. And frankly the fact that I'm the only one around here who quotes him, well that does speak volumes about who thinks deepest, in my humble opinion, FRANKLY.

    But I don't expect every white person to take sides they never cared about. I expect half the writers engaged to take a side, and the other half to referee, and offer counsel. That is not so far from what goes on as it is. But would go about better if their were certain energies tapped, because new ideas are desperately needed.

  63. @Steve Sailer
    @Desiderius

    If Obama were white, he'd likely be a David Brooks-style slightly right of center guy. Being black lets him indulge his conservative racial loyalist side without any repercussions.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Desiderius

    Nailed it.

  64. @SFG
    @epebble

    The other reason I'm for a big welfare state. Someone has to clean Steve Jobs' office. He should have health insurance. And as more and more things get automated, more people are going to wind up doing jobs like that,or nothing at all.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale, @Former Darfur

    The other reason I’m for a big welfare state.

    You have two reasons to support it?!?! After all the damage it’s done in its first century and a half? (100-200m in democides, another 50m or so in combat deaths, suicidally liberal immigration policies… Do I need to add more?)

    Welfare should be returned to the church, whence it came, and the state should keep its dirty, bloody hands off it. We need a First Amendment specifically for that.

  65. @Pat Casey
    Very good Steve very good. And cheers to Blake. “If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is.” And punches were deftly pulled I do say well done.

    As someone said of someone about something else, he would only guess when the crux was foolproof. The foolproof fact about Steve is that CNN won’t own him, either way, which is exactly why a column should just quote him, and should--- shall--- continue to quote him, because quotes are as good as guesses to the columnist, you don't own em cause you didn't say em.

    The German kids I know want to keep up with being German, the Brit interlopers never tire of talking about Americans, the Italians as ever got their own grand style, and the Irish still keep poppin up pubs… Should trends continue, T-Neezy no-Coat will be proved right and damn right: people who think they’re white are phantoms on the way out. Back in with the ethnics, full bore.

    Replies: @SFG, @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar

    And cheers to Blake. “If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is.”

    That didn’t work for a certain fellow who led a band which took its name from that very line.

    the Irish still keep poppin up pubs…

    Perhaps you should spend a little less time in the Casey family’s.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    @Reg Cæsar

    Perhaps you should learn one or two things, Caesar my friend. Speeches from the dock is a good phrase to start with, when judging the utility of words that become the man on the way out. Regarding the Casey family's---am I too angry at the moment to say this with mature regard? Or does my name mean much to me merely because gorgous women seem only to love to call me Pat Casey, but never Pat nor Patrick? Is that all it means to me? I suppose maybe. Anyways, perhaps you should learn where the name came from, and where Sean O'Casey left it, which, if you only knew, seems to have been right here in my hands, mofo.

  66. @Steve Sailer
    @ben tillman

    "Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood."

    Has anybody ever before said they had an easy childhood?

    I had an easy childhood, but I don't recall ever saying that.

    Replies: @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Desiderius, @ben tillman, @CK, @Anonymous

    The man’s enemies are spiteful enough to edit his wiki page w/ snide comments, so there’s that

  67. I’ve noticed a plethora of overtly anti white-male commercials on TV over the past several year.

    There’s an Allstate car insurance ad where a shrewish woman upbraids a man, who allegedly told her men were superior drivers, when she received an Allstate bonus for not having an accident.
    “But I’m a women, Maybe it’s a misprint” etc etc.

    That the man’s point is validated by the fact that the stupid bitch thinks that failing to have an accident every six months is “superior driving” seems to have slipped the SJW Ad companies mind.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Bill Jones

    I see a lot of ads for BDO Accounting, Tax, Audit & Consulting Services. They always show a diverse group of executives discussing a major new initiative their corporation is embarking on. A white guy says something like, "How are we going to handle this?" and a black or woman explains, "We're using BDO."

    In every corporation it appears that it's the white guy who is out of the loop. Funny, I worked at a big company and didn't find that to be the case.

    , @AndrewR
    @Bill Jones

    Men tend to have better spatial perception than women but this advantage is more than nullified by men's higher levels of aggressive driving.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Some Economist
    @Bill Jones

    The Allstate ad is high irony, as I'm almost positive that these "safe driver" rebates are just responses to insurance companies not being permitted to take certain factors into account when pricing premiums. I'm speculating, but from what I understand, the actuaries aren't allowed to put, e.g., race in models, so offering some sort of rebate gets the prices closer to actuarially fair in the end. At least until the DOJ notices this.

  68. @MEH 0910
    Tim Wise has a piece up on the CNN website: What whites don't know about racism

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @David In TN

    And when you’re done with Tom Wise, have a good laugh at Ladd Everitt’s assertion that gun control isn’t racist:

    http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/debunking-the-gun-control-is-racist-smear/

    Of course, the real point isn’t wheter gun control is racist, but whether reality is, and having different firearms laws for different races is just common sense.

    It’s never about the Second. It’s always about the Fourteenth.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Reg Cæsar

    I can't go so far as making gun rights explicitly racial- I know too many black gun owners, for one, but I'm rethinking my absolutist position on guns and admitting that some areas (black-heavy Chicago, SWPLdom) want more adult supervision, so let them have it, as long as those areas that don't want it keep their rights.

    Warning to gun control advocates, though: should you choose to accept such a position, be aware that the gun policy map will start resembling the trend toward moving military bases to Red States, particularly the South. If you're down with both State and non-state firepower concentrating in the lands of your adversaries, have at it. As a Southerner, I can tell you, you won't like it. You know how we are.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Olorin

  69. @Reg Cæsar
    @MEH 0910

    And when you're done with Tom Wise, have a good laugh at Ladd Everitt's assertion that gun control isn't racist:

    http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/debunking-the-gun-control-is-racist-smear/

    Of course, the real point isn't wheter gun control is racist, but whether reality is, and having different firearms laws for different races is just common sense.

    It's never about the Second. It's always about the Fourteenth.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

    I can’t go so far as making gun rights explicitly racial- I know too many black gun owners, for one, but I’m rethinking my absolutist position on guns and admitting that some areas (black-heavy Chicago, SWPLdom) want more adult supervision, so let them have it, as long as those areas that don’t want it keep their rights.

    Warning to gun control advocates, though: should you choose to accept such a position, be aware that the gun policy map will start resembling the trend toward moving military bases to Red States, particularly the South. If you’re down with both State and non-state firepower concentrating in the lands of your adversaries, have at it. As a Southerner, I can tell you, you won’t like it. You know how we are.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    Political strategy fail. As Sun Tzu pointed out, one should never interrupt one's enemy while they're making a mistake.

    , @Olorin
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    The other day we were talking chez Olorin about "AFFH" and I recalled something an old friend and I would quote in the 1970s when we were both studying chem and bio as undergrads. We were trying to build a sense of the then-new ecological sciences and how our careers might fit with that. We lived in refinery towns in the Rust Belt and saw our environments trashed by 1950s and 1960s industrial policy, which was paying ugly dividends by the time we were in college.

    In one of our Organic texts, the author was discussing emerging issues. He came out strongly against one of the prevailing notions of the time: the way to handle any kind of toxin/contaminant was to disperse it far and wide.

    He wrote, "The solution to pollution is not dilution."

    It remains true...and for some reason SJWs have never been able to apply that idea, which they so strongly apply in environmental matters, to human or social ones.

    But back to your points.

    --Adult supervision means nothing for those of intractably childish genetics. The only people victimized by gun laws are those who follow laws. More laws are only very rarely better.

    --When DJWs and professional dolt-wranglers increasingly make the argument that the law of the land shouldn't apply to primitives, why go to all the expense of legislative battles and all the corollary costs?

    --We don't need racially segregated Prior Rights. All that's needed is to enforce existing laws and banish transgressors to the penal islands. That can include prison...or Detroit/Camden/Baltimore.

    --Of course there is political hay to be made in BRA, claiming the rapidly breeding miscreants should, for reasons of Just Iss, be excused and then redistributed, along with your and my incomes/wages. I.e., rewarded richly for not following laws.

    --So that goes back to "fewer laws": let them obliterate each other as they seem perfectly content doing. After all, undertow blacks reducing the number of undertow blacks are simply doing the job others won't do (with the possible exception of Planned Parenthood, and everybody hates them). Better them than more Mexican illegals, right?

    --And continue to push for 2A absolutism. Dems/SJWs/etc. want federalism? They got federalism. That was the whole flappin' point of the Bill of Rights. At least according to my family, descended from some of the guys who were involved in writing the thing as the condition they put on voting for the Constitution.

    --One may gloat at having all the guns in the South. But we still have the Kitsap Trident fleet.

    I suppose one can point to King's Bay...though I would hope that white people wouldn't be so stupid as to get pulled into THAT. Yet again. ;)

  70. @Steve Sailer
    @ben tillman

    "Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood."

    Has anybody ever before said they had an easy childhood?

    I had an easy childhood, but I don't recall ever saying that.

    Replies: @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Desiderius, @ben tillman, @CK, @Anonymous

    I had an easy childhood,

    That’ snot what I hears Steve, the scuttlebutt around the valley is that you were the leader of the west coast chapter of the Van Buren Boys.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Truth

    I saw a photo once where young Steve Sailer's main toy was a cardboard box!

    What a sad and horrible thing! Think about it--cardboard boxes are what THE HOMELESS live in!

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Truth

  71. How about a compilation book: The Steve Sailer Reader.

    Collection of the most important essays, reviews, interviews, etc.

    All Alt Right types will buy it and give it as gift on Christmas.

  72. @Steve Sailer
    @ben tillman

    "Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood."

    Has anybody ever before said they had an easy childhood?

    I had an easy childhood, but I don't recall ever saying that.

    Replies: @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Desiderius, @ben tillman, @CK, @Anonymous

    Only grown-ups think that their childhood was easy.

    It’s a matter of perspective.

  73. @TangoMan
    From the article:

    How much responsibility for increased racial tension rests with Obama? Could he have done anything at the beginning of his first term to reduce them? The answers are also varied.

    There are two components to racial tension, structural and situational. Obama couldn't do anything about the structural issues, no one can, for they exist due to the fact that racial groups are sharing the same society. The situational issues move in only one direction - they add trouble onto the structural issues but can never be handled in such a way as to diminish the structural issues, so what we're left with is Obama only making things worse with his actions and philosophy and also adding to the structural issue by increasing immigration.

    Coming at this question from a different perspective, no one can resolve the situational issues because they are the face of the who, whom issue. Make one group happy and you piss off other groups. The situational game is rigged by the structural issue. Here's an example of a structural issue - you can't have race hate crimes in a completely racially homogeneous society. There will be no racial tension there.

    In a multiracial society, there will always be tension because all groups are not equal. This manifests as inequality of outcomes and these unequal outcomes gnaw at the pride of the losers and efforts to create a perfectly equal opportunity society will never resolve the unequal outcomes which result from perfect equality of opportunity. Race becomes the visible mechanism by which to see the inequality. A homogeneous society has winners and losers but the losers can't find easy ways to self-group. whereas in a heterogeneous society, when some racial groups are disproportionately on the low part of the totem pole, this becomes very visible to everyone and race becomes the factor by which they group together.

    Whites are most supportive of an Equal Opportunity Society and NAMS are most supportive of an Equal Outcome Society and there is no way to square this circle and make everyone happy.

    Mark Naison, a professor of history and African-American studies at Fordham University, says some whites are angry because their portion of the country's population is shrinking. As the country gets browner, they get angrier.

    "They think this is their country, and they're really special," Naison says. "These tensions are going to get worse. We're stumbling toward being a more multiracial society with everyone's culture respected and everyone having a shot at leadership."

    But it IS their country. Their ancestors created a patrimony that was passed onto them, just like parents leave an estate that is to be passed onto their children and we find it ludicrous to expect that a stranger can show up at the reading of someone's will and expect to be cut in for an equal share of the estate alongside the children. Same with new immigrants - they're expecting to share equally the benefits of the accumulated infrastructure and laws and mores of the society alongside those whose ancestors built and added value and shaped the society which attracted the immigrants to come to America.

    Ignoring this dynamic is the key to the argument that Naison makes.

    Secondly, he mentions everyone having a shot at leadership. This ties back to the battle between Equal Opportunity and Equal Outcome. HOW do NAMS get a shot at leadership, by earning their way there or by getting the skids greased to insure that equal outcomes result to favor them?

    "I'm never surprised at the depth of racism in America," he says. "The depths of it are limitless. There is a well you can dig into if you are white that justifies almost any level of abuse that you can direct at a black person that challenges your comfort zone."

    This is why separate countries were invented. Naison won't have to deal with the effects of "racism" if he lived in a 100% black society.

    "That was his one chance to win over the low- and moderate-income whites that are deeply suspicious of him," Naison says. "He could have won over whites with a New Deal jobs program rather than a health care act."

    ObamaCare is a racial wealth redistribution system in effect, a wealth redistribution system in general and is part of the equal outcomes worldview.

    A jobs program, even if effective (just pretend) still leaves us with the structural issues and the opportunity:outcome battles, in other words, it doesn't solve anything for Obama or race relations in general.

    "A lot of what drives bad race relations is scarcity in the working-class populations," he says. "We have all of these looming questions with globalization and downsizing. These are underlying structural problems."

    Then why are we importing poverty and competitors in the job market through immigration? The Center for Immigration Studies noted that since 2000, ALL new net jobs created have gone to immigrants at a time when native population growth was sufficient to fill the new jobs. So yeah, this guy is correct about part of the problem but I doubt he's willing to suggest an immigration moratorium as a solution.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Curle

    Nice analysis.

  74. @Steve Sailer
    @Desiderius

    If Obama were white, he'd likely be a David Brooks-style slightly right of center guy. Being black lets him indulge his conservative racial loyalist side without any repercussions.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Desiderius

    Obama is white, in the SWPL sense, though he can (usually) pass for black when it’s useful to him (and/or blacks).

    One of the reasons I’m not crazy about white identity. Still bitterly clinging to my American one.

  75. @MEH 0910
    Tim Wise has a piece up on the CNN website: What whites don't know about racism

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @David In TN

    A few years ago, Tim Wise’s home address was put on the internet. Out of curiosity, I drove by. Wise lived in one of the whitest, most affluent neighborhoods in Nashville, Tennessee.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    @David In TN

    Just like Louis Farrakhan's.

  76. @Anonym
    @Romanian

    Yes, that kind of blew me away. CNN? Really? Maybe the realize that white identity politics is going mainstream, and they don't want to alienate their future market share.

    http://edition.cnn.com/profiles/john-blake

    Replies: @nglaer

    You note, of course, that John Blake is at least partially black. Probably has something to do with his readiness to look for interesting commenters, rather than politically safe ones. Amidst the absurdities of The Black Autumn, it’s useful to remember that blacks are substantial cultural contributors to America, besides the obvious music and sports. Perhaps black dissidents more than the mainstream. Jared Taylor once told me that in speaking at college campuses, black students were the most genuinely interested in what he had to say.

  77. @Steve Sailer
    @ben tillman

    "Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood."

    Has anybody ever before said they had an easy childhood?

    I had an easy childhood, but I don't recall ever saying that.

    Replies: @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Desiderius, @ben tillman, @CK, @Anonymous

    “Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood.”

    Has anybody ever before said they had an easy childhood?

    I’m sure I was as surprised (and amused) as anyone to read that. Also amusing was the fact that what followed seemed to contradict that statement.

  78. @ben tillman
    @Maj. Kong


    Mark Naison is white. He’s a former SDS radical.
     
    From Wikipedia:

    Mark D. Naison was born in 1946 in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, New York. As the only child of Jewish intellectuals (both schoolteachers), Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steven Wilson

    I love the presumption that his parents were intellectuals because they were schoolteachers. I know that things have changed and that standards have been lowered, but to automatically assign intellectual status to people merely because they are schoolteachers is a bit of a stretch. My experience with schoolteachers over the course of my life has not made the conflation of intellectual and teacher a done deal. Of course, I’m not saying that the absence of intellectuals in the frontline trenches is a bad thing, but I’m inclined to think Naison thinks intellectual is one of the higher echelons one can aspire to.

  79. @epebble
    @Anonymous

    Not sure if you meant field = USA; if so, I don't think that fear is huge; But, if you say field = World, yes, the fear is primal and instinctive. It doesn't take a genius to grasp the Bell Curve logic that 10% of World (say 5 billion) = 500 million can naturally out-compete the bottom 50% or even 60% of US workers (100 million). So, they instinctively grasp the cold market force logic that the only hope for bottom half is transfer payments. That hurts the ego to realize that their lives are useless.

    Replies: @SFG, @yaqub the mad scientist, @AnAnon

    A 1 post commenter spouting obvious lies is a troll. We don’t have anything resembling a level playing field when it is outright illegal for businesses to hire too many people that are white, and as to the converse, well white Americans are not a protected class.

  80. @Bill Jones
    I've noticed a plethora of overtly anti white-male commercials on TV over the past several year.

    There's an Allstate car insurance ad where a shrewish woman upbraids a man, who allegedly told her men were superior drivers, when she received an Allstate bonus for not having an accident.
    "But I'm a women, Maybe it's a misprint" etc etc.


    That the man's point is validated by the fact that the stupid bitch thinks that failing to have an accident every six months is "superior driving" seems to have slipped the SJW Ad companies mind.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @AndrewR, @Some Economist

    I see a lot of ads for BDO Accounting, Tax, Audit & Consulting Services. They always show a diverse group of executives discussing a major new initiative their corporation is embarking on. A white guy says something like, “How are we going to handle this?” and a black or woman explains, “We’re using BDO.”

    In every corporation it appears that it’s the white guy who is out of the loop. Funny, I worked at a big company and didn’t find that to be the case.

  81. @Anonymous
    White men are scared shirtless that they might have to compete on a level playing field. Cowardly once you think about it

    Replies: @epebble, @Anon7, @Anton Chigurh

    Nicely sock-puppetted. I think that there are a lot of blue collar white guys in the current generation who worked hard in small factories all over the US, just like their dads and grand dads did, helping to tinker those factories into success, who then watched in dismay as the owners of those factories moved them to Mexico. Bastards.

    An isolated blue collar white guy, whose culture betrayed him, undoubtedly looks at workers who live on a few dollars a day with a sense of panic, because you can’t live in the US on a few dollars a day, let alone support a family.

    Your “level playing field” is tilted hard in the direction of the rich, and everybody on Earth should feel “scared shirtless” about it.

  82. @Steve Sailer
    @ben tillman

    "Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood."

    Has anybody ever before said they had an easy childhood?

    I had an easy childhood, but I don't recall ever saying that.

    Replies: @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Desiderius, @ben tillman, @CK, @Anonymous

    It depends on the definition of easy, does it not?

  83. Wow, yeah, I second the HWMNBN thing.

    As for who will be blamed once Hussein is gone…well, the same guy who got blamed all through Hussein’s presidency, of course: Bush.

    In a multiracial society, there will always be tension because all groups are not equal. This manifests as inequality of outcomes and these unequal outcomes gnaw at the pride of the losers and efforts to create a perfectly equal opportunity society will never resolve the unequal outcomes which result from perfect equality of opportunity. Race becomes the visible mechanism by which to see the inequality. A homogeneous society has winners and losers but the losers can’t find easy ways to self-group. whereas in a heterogeneous society, when some racial groups are disproportionately on the low part of the totem pole, this becomes very visible to everyone and race becomes the factor by which they group together.

    I agree, but also consider Social Identity Theory (or at least, the behaviors it describes). Race and ethnicity are salient even if the groups involved are equal. People tend to see discrimination even when there isn’t any. People will group up along the least salient fissures possible, and race is among the most salient.

    White men are scared shirtless that they might have to compete on a level playing field. Cowardly once you think about it

    Yes, this is the carney-barker two-bit psychological ploy that “leftist” racists cling to like a security blanket. If we could rate the races and countries of the world on this fear (using things like how much racially and culturally alien immigration they allow, how much discrimination they practice, how “anti-racist” their behaviors are, etc.), it would look something like this:

    East Asians: 98%
    Jews: 100%
    Southwest Asians: 95%
    South Asians: 95%
    Central Asians: ??
    Southeast Asians: 90%
    North Africans: 95%
    Sub-Saharan Africans: 90%
    Central Americans: 70%
    South Americans: 80%
    East Europeans: 50%
    West Europeans: 10%

    So, the “leftist” racists are actually loudly barking that whites are far less fearful and racist than the rest of the world.

    My guess is that in their minds it’s similar to the reason Apollo Creed originally fought Rocky.

    Wow, is that ever a miscalculation. I mean in general terms, more than the specifics. Not that Steve isn’t good at what he does, but individual data points can be all over the place. But the averages? Mein gott, what a miscalculation.

    The Democratic nominee for president can’t count on strong black support?

    Hilary can count on the strong black support that Hussein enjoyed?

    Whites and particularly Straight White Men ARE THE FRINGE. We are. White women will generally side with non-Whites in the diversity spoils train, and even when White women marry they don’t stay married for long; divorced White women are extra helpings of anti-White, as they consider themselves honorary non-Whites and want to “get” their ex husbands who they loathe generally for being beta males. [Women initiate something like 70% of divorces, and its generally for the men just not being sexy enough.]

    And yet, Republicans keep winning the majority of the white female vote. Moreso in the last election than the one previous.

    But not Jews. Jews vote 70-80% Democrat. And the Jewish political money? Oy vey, don’t even get me started.

    TL;DR-ed the rest.

    Tim Wise has a piece up on the CNN website: What whites don’t know about racism

    Let’s all go and count the “we’s”; as in “we whites this,” and “we whites that.”

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Svigor


    Hilary can count on the strong black support that Hussein enjoyed?
     
    Why not, Al Gore did?

    Replies: @Honorary Thief, @Brutusale

  84. @SFG
    @epebble

    The other reason I'm for a big welfare state. Someone has to clean Steve Jobs' office. He should have health insurance. And as more and more things get automated, more people are going to wind up doing jobs like that,or nothing at all.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale, @Former Darfur

    That somebody is called Roomba!

  85. What Whites Don’t Know About Tim Wise:

    Wise is half-Jewish by ancestry, but self-identifies as a Jew. He says he is as opposed to Jewish racism (as seen in the Jewish Apartheid Reich in the Levant) as he is to white racism, but he spends almost all of his time haranguing whites for (phantom, “subtle,” “invisible”) racism, and almost none of it haranguing Jews for theirs (Israeli Jewry and their Apartheid state, American Jewry and their status as Israeli Jewry’s BFF). Israelis are shooting and bombing Palestinians and other Arabs on a regular basis, but he ignores that and writes pieces about False Flag Hate Crimes (e.g., putting tape over the mouths in paintings) perpetrated by blacks to stir up hatred against whites.

  86. @David In TN
    @MEH 0910

    A few years ago, Tim Wise's home address was put on the internet. Out of curiosity, I drove by. Wise lived in one of the whitest, most affluent neighborhoods in Nashville, Tennessee.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

    Just like Louis Farrakhan’s.

  87. Congratulations, Steve – it’s wonderful to see some MSM recognition of your work. I was surprised at the balance in the CNN piece.

  88. How nice it would be if white Americans would […] For although we have rarely […] and though most of us, by our own admission […] where we won’t benefit from the insights of […] we continue to insist

    That’s six “we’s” in one paragraph.

    most white Americans […] continue to insist that it is we who are

    There’s another.

    we white folks know black and brown reality better than those who live it — perhaps because we are

    There’s two more. Haha, he actually used “we white folks”; classic.

    If we were so oblivious […] what in the world would lead us to believe that we had suddenly become

    Three more.

    most white folks really did think […] that everything was just fine, not only for ourselves […] whites fail to see […] too many of us apparently believe […] it is we who

    Three more.

    For whites to not know […] for us to […] believe that we are

    Three more.

    that means we white folks challenging our own

    Three more, including another “we white folks,” haha.

    we must proclaim

    And one more to wrap up. Excluding a few ambiguous “we’s” that seemed more like general American “we’s,” I count 22 “we’s” in that piece.

    His use of “we white folks” is especially funny. I’ve been using that one to lampoon him for years. My pet names for him are Tim “Nobody Here But Us White Folks” Wise, Tim “White Like Me” Wise, Tim “Gosh We Whites Are So Racist” Wise, etc. Each and every “we” from Wise is a lie. Tim Wise does not think of white Americans – and certainly not the whites he’s complaining about – as his “we”; that’s a pose to better serve us poison.

    His theme that whites should just shut up about race (to better hear blacks’ endless whining and hollering, presumably) because they don’t know about the black experience is interesting; does not knowing jack shit about the white experience shut blacks up about “white privilege” and the rest?

    Does it shut the rich liberal Jewish Wise up about the experiences and reality of actual white people? This guy makes his entire living pretending to be “just one of the white folks,” when in fact he’s just one of the Jewish folks, and has no clue. He should STFU about subjects in which he has absolutely no experience. The calculus of whiteness is far beyond his ken. He should stick to writing about a subject he’s steeped in; Jewish Privilege.

    • Replies: @Anton Chigurh
    @Svigor

    The worm does what he does because it gets him attention--massive attention. If you don't push the Cultural Marxist envelope you can't survive in academia. That's his "routine".

  89. @Wilkey
    "Sailer says Clinton will need to talk more about racial grievances to attract minority voters because she can’t count on the strong black support that Obama enjoyed."

    She'll need to incite racial grievances not just because she isn't black, but because in not being black the black voters will be more inclined to notice that Democrats aren't actually doing anything for them.

    There's also maybe an element of "once you go black you can never go back." After the eight year orgasm of Obama, Hillary is going to be a serious letdown - the lover with electile dysfunction.

    The Democrats are stuck with the coalition of the fringes whether they want to be or not. The trouble is not only in all the non-fringes who get turned off by all the hate, but those who have divided loyalties. The most obvious members are white women, of course, but even white gays, Jews, and a few other groups will increasingly find themselves targeted by their supposed allies.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Sleep

    And it seems like the Democrats don’t even pretend to care about the white working class anymore. They see a world in which the bottommost whites are somehow living “privileged” lives and upper class blacks need affirmative action in business and “safe spaces” at universities.

    It’s never about “the poor” anymore, it’s about “poor people of color” and so on. Even the other groups you mentioned are being divided by race, with the whites treated as if they were all upper class white Christian males. I’ve seen in person white homosexuals being told that they’re oppressing “LGBT people of color” as if those are the only people that have rights.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Sleep

    "And it seems like the Democrats don’t even pretend to care about the white working class anymore."

    The Democrats care more about a black welfare queen who hasn't worked 12 days in the last eight years and has with three children by four men than they do about middle or working class whites, unless those whites work for the government. Somehow the black welfare queen has more "nobility" and "dignity" than whites and, despite all obvious signs to the contrary, even works harder.

  90. @Bliss
    Blaming Obama for the spike in white racism since his election is ridiculously ass-backwards. It can only make sense to the Party Of Stupid.

    These same haters will be blaming Hillary for the inevitable spike in misogyny if she is elected the first female President...

    Replies: @Wyrd

    Why does a colored person have a hangover after an all-night drinking session? Racism, of course.

  91. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    The Dems best bet is a genuine-seeming populist like Sanders, who could get out their white vote, but he doesn’t seem to want it enough to hit Hillary
     
    Some of Bernie's left-critics have maintained from the start that he's just a 'sheepdog' designed to get the white leftists all riled up, to make sure that they turn out on election day--for Hillary. Bernie himself, they maintain, has no real intention of winning. Thus, he rails away against elites without noting that Hillary is part of that elite.

    It's starting to look like they were right about him.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The WSWS has long documented this phenomenon. Candidates like Sanderspose as left wing, then turn around and boost neoliberalism. The WSWS is not the sort of website many readers here are likely familiar with. Its analysis is excellent.

    See “Is Bernie Sanders a socialist?”Tom Hall and Barry Grey. World Socialist Website
    16 July 2015

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/16/sand-j16.html

  92. Pat Casey says:
    @SFG
    @Pat Casey

    More fun for everyone, but without a mainstream 'American' culture things are going to get a lot more balkanized because it's easier to play one white ethnic group against the other.

    Replies: @Pat Casey

    Your point is worth a good response, because I mostly am serious.

    From what I can tell, being a serious adult means taking what’s in front of you seriously or ignoring it outright. Steve is apt to remind, rather apt to teach the unlearned, that the public debates of USA cyber salons have been regurgitating themselves fifty years agone. That sounds like a joke. So why ought serious intellectuals take the cycle seriously any longer? I’m serious. This thing called the web need not them.

    My point is that people like Steve, and especially Steve should either adopt a deferential tone to those who have inarguably attained (or acquired) positions of greatness (NYT think-page does=greatness in a form) or ignore them and start their own conversations in earnest (with due deliberation yes). Steve’s best stuff is generally what the anointed don’t touch, don’t sully, never mention. I happen to think Steve’s movie reviews are the best in the world, and will be read by american guys like me when I’m his age—if I have anything to say about that.Art matters the most.

    Why will a balkanized circle of white american writers not eat each other alive? Because social evolutions don’t stop, and the major social evolution in discourse has been utterly passed over and sort of pasted over with pother: I’m speaking about the ability of european men of different national decent to debate one another no holds bar by only fair rules. I mean truly, look around. We all know how stupid it sounds to say we need to have a conversation. But you know what is dumber than that? The fact that no one around here mentions those were exactly the words Michael Oakeshott used to describe what was best in the English debate tradition, a conversation held lively, which was acrimoniously hampered from a more perfect evolution by the socialists. Think: That name Oakeshott was once an oracle on the right, and he seems to have been forgotten— now that an Irishman named Bill Buckley no longer presides, no one with the natural tone to teach seems to care (Ron Unz has responsibility to write more goddamnit) that is to teach the ones with ears to hear. Steve needs extra shoulders.

    Finally, I won’t budge on this point, and I don’t see too many takers flaunting they want a bout: “They have gone about the world like wind/They weighed so little what they gave.” My race has 700 years of those men. Which means when an Irishman speaks as an Irishman about this trend called history, you damn well listen to him, because his speech knows legions of ghosts. In fifty years if the same public debates about blacks and women and immigrants and hate-speech are still spitting feathers across this nation, no one will say, the race of poets was deeply invested, and that’s why the crap never went away.

    Steve should remember he owes his son a new conversation, that no one might not start if he doesn’t, whatever the segue.

  93. @GW
    Nice to see the "coalition of the fringes" concept introduced to the mainstream.

    For years I've wondered why otherwise sensible whites thought an Obama presidency would "heal" racial tension but one needs to read between the lines to see what these people mean. Obama was never liked much by right-of-center whites, but there was still some hope among a number of Republican-types that he would use his power and influence to calm the typical black overreaction to dubious examples of racism whenever it sparked up. Nice, white, Bush-voters were frustrated that W got called a racist and blamed for Katrina, so maybe one benefit of having an Ivy-educated half-black president would be the reduction of instances of petty racial grievances. At least with Obama as president blacks wouldn't have an excuse to let self-serving retarded nut-jobs like Al Sharpton stir them up so easily.

    Of course not only has Obama not sought to assuage the irrational fears of his dim-witted key constituency, he has flamed them for his political benefit. Nice whites, even those who didn't vote for Obama, feel betrayed because they know an articulate, semi-intelligent half-black like Obama knows full well what he's doing. The same man who appealed to moderate whites as the one to get us past racial issues has ratcheted up the divide even further.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @AndrewR, @NOTA

    I didn’t vote in 2008 but I did like the vibe I got from Obama’s race speeches. I really thought he would help heal the racial divide. Of course as you’ve noted, he has only inflamed tensions. Everyone across the political spectrum realizes race relations are far worse than in 2008 but progtards to this day claim that it’s conservatives who have made things worse.

  94. “Whom will you blame?”

    FTFY, CNN.

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    @AndrewR

    John Entwistle was really the star of The Whom.

    Replies: @Olorin

    , @ben tillman
    @AndrewR


    “Whom will you blame?”

    FTFY, CNN.
     
    Thank you.
  95. @Bill Jones
    I've noticed a plethora of overtly anti white-male commercials on TV over the past several year.

    There's an Allstate car insurance ad where a shrewish woman upbraids a man, who allegedly told her men were superior drivers, when she received an Allstate bonus for not having an accident.
    "But I'm a women, Maybe it's a misprint" etc etc.


    That the man's point is validated by the fact that the stupid bitch thinks that failing to have an accident every six months is "superior driving" seems to have slipped the SJW Ad companies mind.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @AndrewR, @Some Economist

    Men tend to have better spatial perception than women but this advantage is more than nullified by men’s higher levels of aggressive driving.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Men tend to have better spatial perception than women but this advantage is more than nullified by men’s higher levels of aggressive driving.
     
    A lot of the difference in accident rates comes from men holding jobs that require them to drive under risky conditions-- at night, through unavoidable storms, on bad roads and in bad neighborhoods. Women tend-- and "tend" is an understatement-- to avoid these.

    It's not all aggression.
  96. @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Reg Cæsar

    I can't go so far as making gun rights explicitly racial- I know too many black gun owners, for one, but I'm rethinking my absolutist position on guns and admitting that some areas (black-heavy Chicago, SWPLdom) want more adult supervision, so let them have it, as long as those areas that don't want it keep their rights.

    Warning to gun control advocates, though: should you choose to accept such a position, be aware that the gun policy map will start resembling the trend toward moving military bases to Red States, particularly the South. If you're down with both State and non-state firepower concentrating in the lands of your adversaries, have at it. As a Southerner, I can tell you, you won't like it. You know how we are.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Olorin

    Political strategy fail. As Sun Tzu pointed out, one should never interrupt one’s enemy while they’re making a mistake.

  97. Pat Casey says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Pat Casey


    And cheers to Blake. “If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is.”
     
    That didn't work for a certain fellow who led a band which took its name from that very line.

    the Irish still keep poppin up pubs…
     
    Perhaps you should spend a little less time in the Casey family's.

    Replies: @Pat Casey

    Perhaps you should learn one or two things, Caesar my friend. Speeches from the dock is a good phrase to start with, when judging the utility of words that become the man on the way out. Regarding the Casey family’s—am I too angry at the moment to say this with mature regard? Or does my name mean much to me merely because gorgous women seem only to love to call me Pat Casey, but never Pat nor Patrick? Is that all it means to me? I suppose maybe. Anyways, perhaps you should learn where the name came from, and where Sean O’Casey left it, which, if you only knew, seems to have been right here in my hands, mofo.

  98. Pat Casey says:
    @AndrewR
    @Pat Casey

    Given the interethnic miscegenation that has taken place among white Americans for centuries, this seems unlikely. How many "purebreeds" are left in the US (assuming their immigrant ancestors could be reasonably described as such to begin with). My ancestors in 1600 lived in many different places.

    Replies: @Pat Casey

    That’s the point I need to argue against, you are right absoltuely. And you are correct that I really can’t beat it on my own terms.

    My best response is that no one knows what it feels like to be a purebred, but everyone knows what it feels like to be called by their name. I am simply saying try to feel that feeling yourself a little more, a little more. Or change your name to the line that means the most, or that you simply intuit the most.

    My mom’s mom’s people were on the ship with Penn, yes they were. But somehow the dusty record of Tim Casey, twice arrested for starting riots for the sake of starving peasants before he braved the coffin ships and beat them all the way to Chicago, that record rings my heartstrings too much not to carry the name he gave me around like trophy belt. Forgive my romance, seriously. My point is I know that I am not speaking properly about ancestry when I invoke the vision of more regard given to ancestry among white americans when we debate what interests are at stake when the anointed shove issues around.

    But maybe consider that Romanticism had an uneven relationship with the island Ireland, so that Augustan solid single things were not forgotten nor transmuted under organicism so much as treated as surface with style. “But I, entelechy, form of forms, am I by memory because under everchanging forms.” My point is that a name could never tell you a thing about who you are except about your style. Whatever your bent there is no reason not to deeply consider that, a point by the way I got from reading Hugh Kenner. And frankly the fact that I’m the only one around here who quotes him, well that does speak volumes about who thinks deepest, in my humble opinion, FRANKLY.

    But I don’t expect every white person to take sides they never cared about. I expect half the writers engaged to take a side, and the other half to referee, and offer counsel. That is not so far from what goes on as it is. But would go about better if their were certain energies tapped, because new ideas are desperately needed.

  99. “Ron Unz has responsibility to write more goddamnit”

    Was that a serious comparison of Unz to Oakeshott? Or even Buckley?

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    @manton

    More of a well while I'm at it effort, or a gauntlet to assume the mantle that is his to assume, as far as I can see, but Yes, a comparison to Buckley, I suppose of a sort. Bill Casey taught Bill Buckley the concept of a bond in order to get NR off the ground--- that is literally true. Ron Unz is a greater man in obvious ways, which is not to rate him absolute, but obvious ways do count, in a plain and simple sense, the 'objective' sense, etcetera.

    I have to recall when Ron wrote that piece where he seemed to dare the entire economics profession to explain why he was wrong in holding that production and salary are identical---being myself totally ignorant of the matters ins and outs, I remember I was sort of aghast, hazily having simply assumed that technology makes wall st. more efficient for some self-evident reason; but the elegance of Ron's argument, the controlled writing he marshalled whilst knowing exactly how right he was and how fraudulent was the canard, the substance and the style of it, it was a thing of beauty, and I imagine it making for a great passage for some future Paul Johnson of late modern America to mine. What else is there out there that affronts his intelligence I can't help but wonder.
    (can't find the link offhand).

    It's kind of a loopy comparison I suppose, so much not the same at all, but I guess I would say I believe Ron Unz has the potential to matter more on particulars than Buckley, but not so over a movements movement, the way Buckley's manner of being was obviously God-given to do. Then again I don't think Ron Unz has tried or is trying to do that, and well who would underestimate him at the outset I suppose? I suppose I'm just spouting at this point...

    What Buckley should be remembered for, what of his writing people must read not to lose something profound, are his columns in memoriam to the great men he knew. Those are uniquely special pieces of writing, the lot of them, and I can't say anyone ever wrote just that way on that matter of occasion, can't say anyone ever wrote such better. Which elides to what I remember of Ron calling Alexander Cockburn, something akin to Buckley's truest heir I think it was,--which strikes me as sort of an orthogonal take, frankly I don't see a single similarity aside from just writing, though I'm not exactly remembering in what sense Ron thought him that.

    Oakeshott? Can't say could he be, I've never read Ron write philosophy. But I would love to read if he did.

    My basic point is that Ron Unz has a sound mind and a healthy style and a certain circumstance and I do think those make up a responsibility given the ability he was born with, midst what I tend to consider a dark age of intellectual honesty, even simply intellectual maturity. Yes, goddamnit, he has a responsibility to rectify his age best he can.

  100. @AndrewR
    "Whom will you blame?"

    FTFY, CNN.

    Replies: @Wyrd, @ben tillman

    John Entwistle was really the star of The Whom.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Wyrd

    Theodore Geisel wrote a famous kids' book--Horton Hears a Whom.

    Replies: @Wyrd

  101. @Steve Sailer
    @ben tillman

    "Mark D. Naison had an easy childhood."

    Has anybody ever before said they had an easy childhood?

    I had an easy childhood, but I don't recall ever saying that.

    Replies: @DCThrowback, @Truth, @Desiderius, @ben tillman, @CK, @Anonymous

    Oh come on, Steve. You’re way too modest. Everybody knows that pimpin’ ain’t easy.

  102. @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Reg Cæsar

    I can't go so far as making gun rights explicitly racial- I know too many black gun owners, for one, but I'm rethinking my absolutist position on guns and admitting that some areas (black-heavy Chicago, SWPLdom) want more adult supervision, so let them have it, as long as those areas that don't want it keep their rights.

    Warning to gun control advocates, though: should you choose to accept such a position, be aware that the gun policy map will start resembling the trend toward moving military bases to Red States, particularly the South. If you're down with both State and non-state firepower concentrating in the lands of your adversaries, have at it. As a Southerner, I can tell you, you won't like it. You know how we are.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Olorin

    The other day we were talking chez Olorin about “AFFH” and I recalled something an old friend and I would quote in the 1970s when we were both studying chem and bio as undergrads. We were trying to build a sense of the then-new ecological sciences and how our careers might fit with that. We lived in refinery towns in the Rust Belt and saw our environments trashed by 1950s and 1960s industrial policy, which was paying ugly dividends by the time we were in college.

    In one of our Organic texts, the author was discussing emerging issues. He came out strongly against one of the prevailing notions of the time: the way to handle any kind of toxin/contaminant was to disperse it far and wide.

    He wrote, “The solution to pollution is not dilution.”

    It remains true…and for some reason SJWs have never been able to apply that idea, which they so strongly apply in environmental matters, to human or social ones.

    But back to your points.

    –Adult supervision means nothing for those of intractably childish genetics. The only people victimized by gun laws are those who follow laws. More laws are only very rarely better.

    –When DJWs and professional dolt-wranglers increasingly make the argument that the law of the land shouldn’t apply to primitives, why go to all the expense of legislative battles and all the corollary costs?

    –We don’t need racially segregated Prior Rights. All that’s needed is to enforce existing laws and banish transgressors to the penal islands. That can include prison…or Detroit/Camden/Baltimore.

    –Of course there is political hay to be made in BRA, claiming the rapidly breeding miscreants should, for reasons of Just Iss, be excused and then redistributed, along with your and my incomes/wages. I.e., rewarded richly for not following laws.

    –So that goes back to “fewer laws”: let them obliterate each other as they seem perfectly content doing. After all, undertow blacks reducing the number of undertow blacks are simply doing the job others won’t do (with the possible exception of Planned Parenthood, and everybody hates them). Better them than more Mexican illegals, right?

    –And continue to push for 2A absolutism. Dems/SJWs/etc. want federalism? They got federalism. That was the whole flappin’ point of the Bill of Rights. At least according to my family, descended from some of the guys who were involved in writing the thing as the condition they put on voting for the Constitution.

    –One may gloat at having all the guns in the South. But we still have the Kitsap Trident fleet.

    I suppose one can point to King’s Bay…though I would hope that white people wouldn’t be so stupid as to get pulled into THAT. Yet again. 😉

  103. @Whiskey
    Its good that you got mentioned on CNN. But I still take issue with fringe and core. Yes, my ancestors fought for this country and bled for it: in the Mexican War, in the Civil War, in WWI, in WWII, in Korea, and Vietnam. But like Emilio Estevez said, that was then, this is now.

    Whites and particularly Straight White Men ARE THE FRINGE. We are. White women will generally side with non-Whites in the diversity spoils train, and even when White women marry they don't stay married for long; divorced White women are extra helpings of anti-White, as they consider themselves honorary non-Whites and want to "get" their ex husbands who they loathe generally for being beta males. [Women initiate something like 70% of divorces, and its generally for the men just not being sexy enough.]

    Functionally, White men are in the minority. Add in White non-married women, non-Whites, and that is the majority of the population. More so when illegal aliens who lets be honest do vote, early and often, are added into the mix.

    Therefore as a fringe, and one freely insulted without consequence, it is time for White men to be feared. Abandon love, that is for losers. The Anonymous Collective has been reasonably effective in publicizing dirty deeds. The dirty little secret about Diversity is that most non-White men are as corrupt and as dirty as Al Sharpton if not moreso.

    White male identity politics is a must, and the only way forward. The weapon should be digging up dirt on every enemy (basically everyone who is not a Straight White Male and those Straight White males allied with those outside the group).

    My disagreement with Steve is that White men and women have vastly different interests. White women's main interests are with non-Whites, its why White women love love love Oprah and White men even ones like Jimmy Kimmel, ultra-liberal, hate her [Kimmel and Carolla created the Man Show as the Anti-Oprah]. White women can well in non-White majority countries and they flock there to Eat-Pray-Love. You don't see White men flocking to Africa the way White women do. A multi-racial society is always more attractive to women particularly those of even marginal attractiveness as they do better, far better, then White men.

    White women are part of the diversity gravy train even if they are last; White men are excluded. White men find non-White women unattractive save Asian females; White women find non-White men attractive save Asian men; for the most part. White men are viewed as a threat to be eliminated by non-White men; White women are viewed as a prize to be taken by non-White men.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Shine a Light, @JSM

    White women flock to Africa?? How many exactly do you think go to Africa yearly??

    • Replies: @Truth
    @kaganovitch


    White women flock to Africa?? How many exactly do you think go to Africa yearly??
     
    Well...


    http://indianajo.com/2013/03/lets-talk-about-sex-female-sex-tourism-in-the-gambia.html

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9ed_1396333655

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/general/100421/sex-tourism-jamaica-prostitution

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/senegal/100428/senegal-news-sex-tourism

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  104. @Truth
    @Steve Sailer


    I had an easy childhood,
     
    That' snot what I hears Steve, the scuttlebutt around the valley is that you were the leader of the west coast chapter of the Van Buren Boys.

    Replies: @Olorin

    I saw a photo once where young Steve Sailer’s main toy was a cardboard box!

    What a sad and horrible thing! Think about it–cardboard boxes are what THE HOMELESS live in!

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Olorin

    My kids had a big cardboard box that a sofa came in and they had a great time rolling down the hill inside it. That and Booty Ball on the swing were their favorites.

    , @Truth
    @Olorin

    Yeah but the box was the housing for his soapbox racer kit.

  105. @Wyrd
    @AndrewR

    John Entwistle was really the star of The Whom.

    Replies: @Olorin

    Theodore Geisel wrote a famous kids’ book–Horton Hears a Whom.

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    @Olorin

    GMAO!

  106. @Sleep
    @Wilkey

    And it seems like the Democrats don't even pretend to care about the white working class anymore. They see a world in which the bottommost whites are somehow living "privileged" lives and upper class blacks need affirmative action in business and "safe spaces" at universities.

    It's never about "the poor" anymore, it's about "poor people of color" and so on. Even the other groups you mentioned are being divided by race, with the whites treated as if they were all upper class white Christian males. I've seen in person white homosexuals being told that they're oppressing "LGBT people of color" as if those are the only people that have rights.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    “And it seems like the Democrats don’t even pretend to care about the white working class anymore.”

    The Democrats care more about a black welfare queen who hasn’t worked 12 days in the last eight years and has with three children by four men than they do about middle or working class whites, unless those whites work for the government. Somehow the black welfare queen has more “nobility” and “dignity” than whites and, despite all obvious signs to the contrary, even works harder.

  107. I don’t know how much it would have helped in the end, but Obama’s election was an opportunity for a black leader to offer forgiveness to whites and to begin easing blacks back toward independence. This, of course, is what the SWPLs believed Obama’s “Hope and Change” campaign was all about.

    Instead, Obama’s policies were what the fringes wanted: more handouts, more anti-core demonization, and less accountability for constituents’ personal choices. This has made all the fringe-denizens less independent and less happy, while they have become vexed by their continuing unsolved problems. (You mean a 1000 page bill mandating health insurance doesn’t actually improve health care? You mean Supreme court ukases don’t assuage feelings of inadequacy?)

    And this has made the core increasingly disillusioned and furious.

  108. I’ll carry on mostly blaming the media.

    It can’t get anything but worse as the elites continue to build their global plantation economy which will stagnate as all plantation economies do and they have to stir up conflict to deflect attention away from themselves.

  109. @24AheadDotCom
    Opposition to O has been presented as racist for eight years. In all that time, his loudest opponents haven't been able to do a single thing about that and in many cases they've made it worse. Any response to that fact would illustrate the problem. Calling me names isn't going to solve the problem. The Blaze or TruthRevolt saying the opposition to O isn't racist (and look how non-racist we are!!!) isn't going to solve the problem because those sites only matter to those who are the problem.

    I personally can't imagine having a megaphone and consistently failing to try to solve problems.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    In all that time, his loudest opponents haven’t been able to do a single thing about that and in many cases they’ve made it worse.

    You can’t change something that is assumed to be true without proof.

  110. Pat Casey says:
    @manton
    "Ron Unz has responsibility to write more goddamnit"

    Was that a serious comparison of Unz to Oakeshott? Or even Buckley?

    Replies: @Pat Casey

    More of a well while I’m at it effort, or a gauntlet to assume the mantle that is his to assume, as far as I can see, but Yes, a comparison to Buckley, I suppose of a sort. Bill Casey taught Bill Buckley the concept of a bond in order to get NR off the ground— that is literally true. Ron Unz is a greater man in obvious ways, which is not to rate him absolute, but obvious ways do count, in a plain and simple sense, the ‘objective’ sense, etcetera.

    I have to recall when Ron wrote that piece where he seemed to dare the entire economics profession to explain why he was wrong in holding that production and salary are identical—being myself totally ignorant of the matters ins and outs, I remember I was sort of aghast, hazily having simply assumed that technology makes wall st. more efficient for some self-evident reason; but the elegance of Ron’s argument, the controlled writing he marshalled whilst knowing exactly how right he was and how fraudulent was the canard, the substance and the style of it, it was a thing of beauty, and I imagine it making for a great passage for some future Paul Johnson of late modern America to mine. What else is there out there that affronts his intelligence I can’t help but wonder.
    (can’t find the link offhand).

    It’s kind of a loopy comparison I suppose, so much not the same at all, but I guess I would say I believe Ron Unz has the potential to matter more on particulars than Buckley, but not so over a movements movement, the way Buckley’s manner of being was obviously God-given to do. Then again I don’t think Ron Unz has tried or is trying to do that, and well who would underestimate him at the outset I suppose? I suppose I’m just spouting at this point…

    What Buckley should be remembered for, what of his writing people must read not to lose something profound, are his columns in memoriam to the great men he knew. Those are uniquely special pieces of writing, the lot of them, and I can’t say anyone ever wrote just that way on that matter of occasion, can’t say anyone ever wrote such better. Which elides to what I remember of Ron calling Alexander Cockburn, something akin to Buckley’s truest heir I think it was,–which strikes me as sort of an orthogonal take, frankly I don’t see a single similarity aside from just writing, though I’m not exactly remembering in what sense Ron thought him that.

    Oakeshott? Can’t say could he be, I’ve never read Ron write philosophy. But I would love to read if he did.

    My basic point is that Ron Unz has a sound mind and a healthy style and a certain circumstance and I do think those make up a responsibility given the ability he was born with, midst what I tend to consider a dark age of intellectual honesty, even simply intellectual maturity. Yes, goddamnit, he has a responsibility to rectify his age best he can.

  111. @GW
    Nice to see the "coalition of the fringes" concept introduced to the mainstream.

    For years I've wondered why otherwise sensible whites thought an Obama presidency would "heal" racial tension but one needs to read between the lines to see what these people mean. Obama was never liked much by right-of-center whites, but there was still some hope among a number of Republican-types that he would use his power and influence to calm the typical black overreaction to dubious examples of racism whenever it sparked up. Nice, white, Bush-voters were frustrated that W got called a racist and blamed for Katrina, so maybe one benefit of having an Ivy-educated half-black president would be the reduction of instances of petty racial grievances. At least with Obama as president blacks wouldn't have an excuse to let self-serving retarded nut-jobs like Al Sharpton stir them up so easily.

    Of course not only has Obama not sought to assuage the irrational fears of his dim-witted key constituency, he has flamed them for his political benefit. Nice whites, even those who didn't vote for Obama, feel betrayed because they know an articulate, semi-intelligent half-black like Obama knows full well what he's doing. The same man who appealed to moderate whites as the one to get us past racial issues has ratcheted up the divide even further.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @AndrewR, @NOTA

    I think Obama benefitted a lot from the fact that he’s exactly what well-intentioned whites want to happen with blacks in the US–he’s smart, well-spoken, educated, successful, married to the mother of his kids, apparently a decent father, etc. For all the discussion about racism in America, the truth is that most of us want blacks to succeed. We wish they would do better in school, commit fewer crimes, have fewer kids out of wedlock. We’d like blacks to succeed. Most of us have black family, friends, neighbors, coworkers. We’d be ecstatic if black schools started performing up to the standards of white schools, if blacks committed no more crime than whites from now on, etc. It would be worth ten times what we’re spending in affirmative action and discrimination lawsuits, it would be worth all the reparations Ta-Nahisi Coates could wish for, if somehow that stuff happened.

    Now, it’s not reasonable to expect Obama to cause that kind of change by being elected–one man can set a decent example, but can’t redesign the culture of a fifth of the population, or raise the IQ of millions of kids. But people often vote for non-rational reasons–you can see that in the way every presidential candidate plays up their toughness and patriotism, and how much more important that is than whether the candidate knows what he’s talking about.

    Iuspect that both whites and blacks were hoping that somehow, Barack and Michelle Obama would fix things in American society that are broken beyond any one couple’s ability to fix.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @NOTA

    No I think people were hoping that the rampant black irrationality on the topic of race would be somewhat less irrational not extremely more irrational.

    He could have stayed away from the Travon case for example.

    , @Desiderius
    @NOTA


    I think Obama benefitted a lot from the fact that he’s exactly what well-intentioned whites want to happen with blacks in the US–he’s smart, well-spoken, educated, successful, married to the mother of his kids, apparently a decent father, etc. For all the discussion about racism in America, the truth is that most of us want blacks to succeed. We wish they would do better in school, commit fewer crimes, have fewer kids out of wedlock. We’d like blacks to succeed. Most of us have black family, friends, neighbors, coworkers. We’d be ecstatic if black schools started performing up to the standards of white schools, if blacks committed no more crime than whites from now on, etc. It would be worth ten times what we’re spending in affirmative action and discrimination lawsuits, it would be worth all the reparations Ta-Nahisi Coates could wish for, if somehow that stuff happened.
     
    That's all true, but he also embodies many of the not-so-healthy traits of latter-day white culture (fecklessness, credentialism, wishful-thinking, style over substance) that make the goal of getting blacks to act whiter so problematic. The fact is that even white schools aren't doing so hot these days, that even if whites commit fewer crimes they're still gaming the hell out of the system for their own benefit, posterity be damned.

    If you want that stuff to somehow happen and for it to matter, best get to work getting the white ship righted, or maybe better still the American one.
  112. @Olorin
    @Truth

    I saw a photo once where young Steve Sailer's main toy was a cardboard box!

    What a sad and horrible thing! Think about it--cardboard boxes are what THE HOMELESS live in!

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Truth

    My kids had a big cardboard box that a sofa came in and they had a great time rolling down the hill inside it. That and Booty Ball on the swing were their favorites.

  113. @anon
    clearly a sell out and bought and paid for by ZOG. I will never read UNZ again.

    Replies: @Hanoi Paris Hilton

    Yo, Anon… If you’re really bailing out of Unz, I for one will dearly miss having a balls-out paleo Nazi to kick around us Joooos: sans trigger warnings, sans safe places, sans wink-wink “the eskimos” and “the Amish”, sans everything. Have a nice life.

  114. @Olorin
    @Wyrd

    Theodore Geisel wrote a famous kids' book--Horton Hears a Whom.

    Replies: @Wyrd

    GMAO!

  115. @AndrewR
    @Bill Jones

    Men tend to have better spatial perception than women but this advantage is more than nullified by men's higher levels of aggressive driving.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Men tend to have better spatial perception than women but this advantage is more than nullified by men’s higher levels of aggressive driving.

    A lot of the difference in accident rates comes from men holding jobs that require them to drive under risky conditions– at night, through unavoidable storms, on bad roads and in bad neighborhoods. Women tend– and “tend” is an understatement– to avoid these.

    It’s not all aggression.

  116. @NOTA
    @GW

    I think Obama benefitted a lot from the fact that he's exactly what well-intentioned whites want to happen with blacks in the US--he's smart, well-spoken, educated, successful, married to the mother of his kids, apparently a decent father, etc. For all the discussion about racism in America, the truth is that most of us want blacks to succeed. We wish they would do better in school, commit fewer crimes, have fewer kids out of wedlock. We'd like blacks to succeed. Most of us have black family, friends, neighbors, coworkers. We'd be ecstatic if black schools started performing up to the standards of white schools, if blacks committed no more crime than whites from now on, etc. It would be worth ten times what we're spending in affirmative action and discrimination lawsuits, it would be worth all the reparations Ta-Nahisi Coates could wish for, if somehow that stuff happened.

    Now, it's not reasonable to expect Obama to cause that kind of change by being elected--one man can set a decent example, but can't redesign the culture of a fifth of the population, or raise the IQ of millions of kids. But people often vote for non-rational reasons--you can see that in the way every presidential candidate plays up their toughness and patriotism, and how much more important that is than whether the candidate knows what he's talking about.

    Iuspect that both whites and blacks were hoping that somehow, Barack and Michelle Obama would fix things in American society that are broken beyond any one couple's ability to fix.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Desiderius

    No I think people were hoping that the rampant black irrationality on the topic of race would be somewhat less irrational not extremely more irrational.

    He could have stayed away from the Travon case for example.

  117. @AndrewR
    @Maj. Kong

    If Jews are white then why do they tend to expend so much effort destroying white civilization?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    IMO, they think (for a variety of reasons) that living in a predominantly Muslim society, with no ethnic majority, will provide them security that Western society will not. Think the Ottoman Empire and Al-Andalus. While those societies weren’t liberal paradises, as the Jewish historian of Islam Bernard Lewis pointed out, the Jewish intellectuals viewed them with rose colored glasses to morally shame 19th century Christians.

    This may only be a Western (Ashkenazim) habit, I can’t imagine that Sephardi from the Middle East, who were kicked out after the formation of Israel, would have this same attitude. Supposedly there is an IQ disparity between the two, but I’m not HBD-familiar.

    • Replies: @Gringo
    @Maj. Kong

    This may only be a Western (Ashkenazim) habit, I can’t imagine that Sephardi from the Middle East, who were kicked out after the formation of Israel, would have this same attitude.

    A neighbor of mine is a Sephardic Jew- a Moroccan who married a US serviceman stationed there. She does not have a benevolent attitude towards Moslem societies- reinforced perhaps by having a sister and son and grandchildren who live in Israel.

    , @anon
    @Maj. Kong

    That's the only explanation that makes any sense. They see the Moorish occupation as their golden age.

    http://www.jewishhistory.org/golden-age-in-spain/


    What they miss of course is the Moors and the Ottomans needed Jewish help against Europeans.

    If they get rid of Europeans then the Arabs aren't going to need Jewish help any more.

    (It's also a bit of a joke they call a time of mass white slavery their golden age but that's relatively minor in the scheme of things.)

  118. @SFG
    @epebble

    The other reason I'm for a big welfare state. Someone has to clean Steve Jobs' office. He should have health insurance. And as more and more things get automated, more people are going to wind up doing jobs like that,or nothing at all.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Brutusale, @Former Darfur

    After you clean Steve Jobs’ office you can go to the Scientologists because all the churches and offices have an office for L. Ron Hubbard. It is kept clean and working at all times. There is a current office phone and it has its own extension. They actually are taught to be prepared for him to walk in the door someday and go to work.

  119. @AndrewR
    "Whom will you blame?"

    FTFY, CNN.

    Replies: @Wyrd, @ben tillman

    “Whom will you blame?”

    FTFY, CNN.

    Thank you.

  120. @Whiskey
    Its good that you got mentioned on CNN. But I still take issue with fringe and core. Yes, my ancestors fought for this country and bled for it: in the Mexican War, in the Civil War, in WWI, in WWII, in Korea, and Vietnam. But like Emilio Estevez said, that was then, this is now.

    Whites and particularly Straight White Men ARE THE FRINGE. We are. White women will generally side with non-Whites in the diversity spoils train, and even when White women marry they don't stay married for long; divorced White women are extra helpings of anti-White, as they consider themselves honorary non-Whites and want to "get" their ex husbands who they loathe generally for being beta males. [Women initiate something like 70% of divorces, and its generally for the men just not being sexy enough.]

    Functionally, White men are in the minority. Add in White non-married women, non-Whites, and that is the majority of the population. More so when illegal aliens who lets be honest do vote, early and often, are added into the mix.

    Therefore as a fringe, and one freely insulted without consequence, it is time for White men to be feared. Abandon love, that is for losers. The Anonymous Collective has been reasonably effective in publicizing dirty deeds. The dirty little secret about Diversity is that most non-White men are as corrupt and as dirty as Al Sharpton if not moreso.

    White male identity politics is a must, and the only way forward. The weapon should be digging up dirt on every enemy (basically everyone who is not a Straight White Male and those Straight White males allied with those outside the group).

    My disagreement with Steve is that White men and women have vastly different interests. White women's main interests are with non-Whites, its why White women love love love Oprah and White men even ones like Jimmy Kimmel, ultra-liberal, hate her [Kimmel and Carolla created the Man Show as the Anti-Oprah]. White women can well in non-White majority countries and they flock there to Eat-Pray-Love. You don't see White men flocking to Africa the way White women do. A multi-racial society is always more attractive to women particularly those of even marginal attractiveness as they do better, far better, then White men.

    White women are part of the diversity gravy train even if they are last; White men are excluded. White men find non-White women unattractive save Asian females; White women find non-White men attractive save Asian men; for the most part. White men are viewed as a threat to be eliminated by non-White men; White women are viewed as a prize to be taken by non-White men.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Shine a Light, @JSM

    In the end whites are in a Battle of the Cradle and the last thing we need are further wedges being driven between white men and women. One side of this coin is Feminism, primarily a Jewish ideology aimed at convincing white women that a life devoted to the corporation is preferable to one raising children. It’s fine that a “game” community has risen up in defiance of the feminist movement – what is not fine is the whole “pick-up artist” that posits the ultimate goal of white men should be a an endless string of weekends banging recently retired porn stars at nightclubs.

    On the other side of the Feminism coin is “Whiskeyism” the idea that white women are all useless sluts desiring black or brown men. One remarkable thing about the alt-right crowd on Twitter is the number of white women down with nationalism and anti-feminist. So we must reject Whiskey-ism and develop a Maternalist ideology that celebrates strong women mothering the next generation as well as men devoting themselves — not to notching their belts with porn stars — but with raising their children. The last thing whites need to do is accept a ghetto inspired image of men as pick-up artists.

    And so Trump’s nationalism will make the transition easier to wean white women off the Democratic party. As a nationalist, Trump will not hesitate on the one hand to provide childcare assistance but on the other will increase salaries due to the laws of labor supply and demand and allow more single income households.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Shine a Light


    One side of this coin is Feminism, primarily a Jewish ideology…
     
    I had no idea Susan B Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were Jewish. I just assumed Biblical names were in in the 19th century.

    Replies: @Shine a Light, @Anton Chigurh

  121. Meh,

    From #blacklivesmatter to affirmative action to feminism, there are no greater racists than in the Left.

  122. @Svigor
    Wow, yeah, I second the HWMNBN thing.

    As for who will be blamed once Hussein is gone...well, the same guy who got blamed all through Hussein's presidency, of course: Bush.


    In a multiracial society, there will always be tension because all groups are not equal. This manifests as inequality of outcomes and these unequal outcomes gnaw at the pride of the losers and efforts to create a perfectly equal opportunity society will never resolve the unequal outcomes which result from perfect equality of opportunity. Race becomes the visible mechanism by which to see the inequality. A homogeneous society has winners and losers but the losers can’t find easy ways to self-group. whereas in a heterogeneous society, when some racial groups are disproportionately on the low part of the totem pole, this becomes very visible to everyone and race becomes the factor by which they group together.
     
    I agree, but also consider Social Identity Theory (or at least, the behaviors it describes). Race and ethnicity are salient even if the groups involved are equal. People tend to see discrimination even when there isn't any. People will group up along the least salient fissures possible, and race is among the most salient.

    White men are scared shirtless that they might have to compete on a level playing field. Cowardly once you think about it
     
    Yes, this is the carney-barker two-bit psychological ploy that "leftist" racists cling to like a security blanket. If we could rate the races and countries of the world on this fear (using things like how much racially and culturally alien immigration they allow, how much discrimination they practice, how "anti-racist" their behaviors are, etc.), it would look something like this:

    East Asians: 98%
    Jews: 100%
    Southwest Asians: 95%
    South Asians: 95%
    Central Asians: ??
    Southeast Asians: 90%
    North Africans: 95%
    Sub-Saharan Africans: 90%
    Central Americans: 70%
    South Americans: 80%
    East Europeans: 50%
    West Europeans: 10%

    So, the "leftist" racists are actually loudly barking that whites are far less fearful and racist than the rest of the world.


    My guess is that in their minds it’s similar to the reason Apollo Creed originally fought Rocky.
     
    Wow, is that ever a miscalculation. I mean in general terms, more than the specifics. Not that Steve isn't good at what he does, but individual data points can be all over the place. But the averages? Mein gott, what a miscalculation.

    The Democratic nominee for president can’t count on strong black support?
     
    Hilary can count on the strong black support that Hussein enjoyed?

    Whites and particularly Straight White Men ARE THE FRINGE. We are. White women will generally side with non-Whites in the diversity spoils train, and even when White women marry they don’t stay married for long; divorced White women are extra helpings of anti-White, as they consider themselves honorary non-Whites and want to “get” their ex husbands who they loathe generally for being beta males. [Women initiate something like 70% of divorces, and its generally for the men just not being sexy enough.]
     
    And yet, Republicans keep winning the majority of the white female vote. Moreso in the last election than the one previous.

    But not Jews. Jews vote 70-80% Democrat. And the Jewish political money? Oy vey, don't even get me started.

    TL;DR-ed the rest.


    Tim Wise has a piece up on the CNN website: What whites don’t know about racism
     
    Let's all go and count the "we's"; as in "we whites this," and "we whites that."

    Replies: @Truth

    Hilary can count on the strong black support that Hussein enjoyed?

    Why not, Al Gore did?

    • Replies: @Honorary Thief
    @Truth

    Hillary can certainly count on winning the black vote, but it's unlikely she can win it like Obama did. She may get 88-89% and normal turnout, she won't get 95% and 10-15% greater the average black turnout.

    Replies: @NOTA, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Brutusale
    @Truth

    She'll carry the black women at 95%+ like Barry did, but I see the bros at less than 80%- if it's Trump.

    Loud, flashy and rich: what's not for a bro to like?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jefferson

  123. @kaganovitch
    @Whiskey

    White women flock to Africa?? How many exactly do you think go to Africa yearly??

    Replies: @Truth

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Truth

    Interesting. Live and learn.

  124. @Olorin
    @Truth

    I saw a photo once where young Steve Sailer's main toy was a cardboard box!

    What a sad and horrible thing! Think about it--cardboard boxes are what THE HOMELESS live in!

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Truth

    Yeah but the box was the housing for his soapbox racer kit.

  125. @Whiskey
    Its good that you got mentioned on CNN. But I still take issue with fringe and core. Yes, my ancestors fought for this country and bled for it: in the Mexican War, in the Civil War, in WWI, in WWII, in Korea, and Vietnam. But like Emilio Estevez said, that was then, this is now.

    Whites and particularly Straight White Men ARE THE FRINGE. We are. White women will generally side with non-Whites in the diversity spoils train, and even when White women marry they don't stay married for long; divorced White women are extra helpings of anti-White, as they consider themselves honorary non-Whites and want to "get" their ex husbands who they loathe generally for being beta males. [Women initiate something like 70% of divorces, and its generally for the men just not being sexy enough.]

    Functionally, White men are in the minority. Add in White non-married women, non-Whites, and that is the majority of the population. More so when illegal aliens who lets be honest do vote, early and often, are added into the mix.

    Therefore as a fringe, and one freely insulted without consequence, it is time for White men to be feared. Abandon love, that is for losers. The Anonymous Collective has been reasonably effective in publicizing dirty deeds. The dirty little secret about Diversity is that most non-White men are as corrupt and as dirty as Al Sharpton if not moreso.

    White male identity politics is a must, and the only way forward. The weapon should be digging up dirt on every enemy (basically everyone who is not a Straight White Male and those Straight White males allied with those outside the group).

    My disagreement with Steve is that White men and women have vastly different interests. White women's main interests are with non-Whites, its why White women love love love Oprah and White men even ones like Jimmy Kimmel, ultra-liberal, hate her [Kimmel and Carolla created the Man Show as the Anti-Oprah]. White women can well in non-White majority countries and they flock there to Eat-Pray-Love. You don't see White men flocking to Africa the way White women do. A multi-racial society is always more attractive to women particularly those of even marginal attractiveness as they do better, far better, then White men.

    White women are part of the diversity gravy train even if they are last; White men are excluded. White men find non-White women unattractive save Asian females; White women find non-White men attractive save Asian men; for the most part. White men are viewed as a threat to be eliminated by non-White men; White women are viewed as a prize to be taken by non-White men.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Shine a Light, @JSM

    Women initiate something like 70% of divorces, and its generally for the men just not being sexy enough

    I’m sooooo sick of this statement, Whiskey. You have NO PROOF it’s “generally for the men not being sexy enough.”

    Yes, women initiate 70% of divorce proceedings, BUT, since no-fault divorce laws means no reason is stated in the paperwork for wanting the divorce, you can NOT just assume it’s because “the husband isn’t sexy enough.” You don’t KNOW the reason. So you have no proof it’s because “the husband isn’t sexy enough.” You’re just pulling it out of yer hiney.

    OTOH, in every single case *I* know of where the woman initiated the divorce, it was for a very good reason: infidelity, or alcoholism, or abuse (and I’m talking about being, yes, actually hit — which was a result of his being a mean drunk) or general refusal to be a good, mature husband, such as spending the money she and he’d both saved –for a house, she thought–on a boat without even asking her.

    So, just because the woman *initiates* divorce proceedings, doesn’t mean SHE broke the marriage. In the cases where the guy was fooling around / out drinking and carousing, blowing the money, HE broke the marriage. Her filing is just, then, her acknowledgement the marriage is broken, but the divorce wasn’t (all) her fault, and it certainly wasn’t about him “not being sexy enough.” In fact, from what I’ve seen, it was the fact that he was a sexy bad boy in the first place that was the seed of the eventual breakup.

    Oh, you say, my anecdotes are not data? Well, where is YOUR proof? You are basing everything YOU say on your observations, too. So who am I going to believe, Whiskers or my own lying eyes?

  126. @Truth
    @kaganovitch


    White women flock to Africa?? How many exactly do you think go to Africa yearly??
     
    Well...


    http://indianajo.com/2013/03/lets-talk-about-sex-female-sex-tourism-in-the-gambia.html

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9ed_1396333655

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/general/100421/sex-tourism-jamaica-prostitution

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/senegal/100428/senegal-news-sex-tourism

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Interesting. Live and learn.

  127. @Maj. Kong
    @AndrewR

    IMO, they think (for a variety of reasons) that living in a predominantly Muslim society, with no ethnic majority, will provide them security that Western society will not. Think the Ottoman Empire and Al-Andalus. While those societies weren't liberal paradises, as the Jewish historian of Islam Bernard Lewis pointed out, the Jewish intellectuals viewed them with rose colored glasses to morally shame 19th century Christians.

    This may only be a Western (Ashkenazim) habit, I can't imagine that Sephardi from the Middle East, who were kicked out after the formation of Israel, would have this same attitude. Supposedly there is an IQ disparity between the two, but I'm not HBD-familiar.

    Replies: @Gringo, @anon

    This may only be a Western (Ashkenazim) habit, I can’t imagine that Sephardi from the Middle East, who were kicked out after the formation of Israel, would have this same attitude.

    A neighbor of mine is a Sephardic Jew- a Moroccan who married a US serviceman stationed there. She does not have a benevolent attitude towards Moslem societies- reinforced perhaps by having a sister and son and grandchildren who live in Israel.

  128. The Dems will provide a scapegoat. They are good at that. Maybe Joe Biden will take up the mantle.

  129. Why not, Al Gore did?

    He did?

    Hey, I dunno, you tell me. Conventional wisdom is that Obama got not just a record share of the black vote, but saw record turnout of black voters:

    How black voters could determine the 2016 election

    African-American voters turned out at unprecedented levels to support Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012.

    To understand the Democrats’ quandary, take a look at the trend line in black voter turnout among eligible voters according to the United States Election Project. Turnout jumped from 61 percent to a record high 69 percent between 2004 and 2008, with 2012’s 67 percent turnout still higher than any point on record before Obama.

    Clinton is popular among African Americans but not as intensely as Obama. A Washington Post-ABC News poll in late May found 53 percent of blacks reporting a “strongly favorable” impression of Clinton, compared with 68 percent who said this about Obama in a poll last fall. Seventy percent said she is honest, but 91 percent said the same of Obama last fall. And while 75 percent said Clinton “understands the problems of people like you,” this was significantly lower than Obama’s 91 percent last fall.

    Full disclosure, I left out some of the author’s arguments going the other way, and I wasn’t interested enough to read the whole article.

  130. Also:

    Five myths about black voters

    Al Gore got 90 percent of the black vote in 2000, and Obama won 95 percent eight years later.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    @Svigor

    the black/white vote in the south(and support for "majority-minority" districts) tends to reveal that blacks want black representatives, even though they could get more white democrats in overall.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Truth
    @Svigor

    Oooooh. %90 vs %95. Now there's a strong mandate!

  131. A story of some nice racial harmony in Mr. Sailer’s old hometown.

    http://chicagoist.com/2015/11/30/_an_arrest_has_been.php

    Updated 12:30 p.m.: The Tribune is reporting that the threat was to kill 16 white male students or staff at the University of Chicago “in retaliation” for the shooting of Laquan McDonald. The comment was posted in response to a video clip from the 1995 movie “Panther” on http://www.worldstarhiphop.com, according to the Tribune:

    “This is my only warning. At 10AM Monday morning, I’m going to the campus quad of the University of Chicago. I will be armed with an M-4 carbine and two desert eagles, all fully loaded. I will execute approximately 16 white male students and or staff, which is the same number of time McDonald was killed,” wrote the commenter, who posted with the initials “JRD” and a Chicago Bulls logo, according to the police report. “I will then die killing any number of white policeman in the process. This is not a joke. I am to do my part and rid the world of white devils. I expect you do the same.”

    We’re always talking about false flags and fraudulent racist vandalism, threats and bogus hate crimes. But could this be one too? Not likely.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    My impression is that there's some idiot calling in a threat somewhere every day, overwhelmingly not actually a serious threat. I think we hear about a small subset of them. The same thing happens with various kinds of hoax or spray-painting offensive stuff on walls--the overwhelming majority of the time you never hear about this and the idiot involved gets yelled at by the dean or sentenced to picking up trash by the road for a couple weekends.

    The prestige media is a powerful distorting filter.

  132. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Maj. Kong
    @AndrewR

    IMO, they think (for a variety of reasons) that living in a predominantly Muslim society, with no ethnic majority, will provide them security that Western society will not. Think the Ottoman Empire and Al-Andalus. While those societies weren't liberal paradises, as the Jewish historian of Islam Bernard Lewis pointed out, the Jewish intellectuals viewed them with rose colored glasses to morally shame 19th century Christians.

    This may only be a Western (Ashkenazim) habit, I can't imagine that Sephardi from the Middle East, who were kicked out after the formation of Israel, would have this same attitude. Supposedly there is an IQ disparity between the two, but I'm not HBD-familiar.

    Replies: @Gringo, @anon

    That’s the only explanation that makes any sense. They see the Moorish occupation as their golden age.

    http://www.jewishhistory.org/golden-age-in-spain/

    What they miss of course is the Moors and the Ottomans needed Jewish help against Europeans.

    If they get rid of Europeans then the Arabs aren’t going to need Jewish help any more.

    (It’s also a bit of a joke they call a time of mass white slavery their golden age but that’s relatively minor in the scheme of things.)

  133. @wren
    A shame that no one mentioned obama's culpability in stoking black anger to drive them to the polls for him.

    I'm curious about trumps promise to bring out 100 black pastors who support him on Monday.

    Replies: @NOTA

    Obama has very little to do with stoking that anger, as far as I can see. That’s mainly incriminating-to-the-cops video getting public exposure and the prestuge media covering and thus amplifying the resulting protests. Obama’s hand in that is occasionally making comment about the story behind whatever protest is going on.

  134. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    A story of some nice racial harmony in Mr. Sailer's old hometown.


    http://chicagoist.com/2015/11/30/_an_arrest_has_been.php


    Updated 12:30 p.m.: The Tribune is reporting that the threat was to kill 16 white male students or staff at the University of Chicago "in retaliation" for the shooting of Laquan McDonald. The comment was posted in response to a video clip from the 1995 movie "Panther" on www.worldstarhiphop.com, according to the Tribune:

    "This is my only warning. At 10AM Monday morning, I'm going to the campus quad of the University of Chicago. I will be armed with an M-4 carbine and two desert eagles, all fully loaded. I will execute approximately 16 white male students and or staff, which is the same number of time McDonald was killed," wrote the commenter, who posted with the initials "JRD" and a Chicago Bulls logo, according to the police report. "I will then die killing any number of white policeman in the process. This is not a joke. I am to do my part and rid the world of white devils. I expect you do the same."
     

    We're always talking about false flags and fraudulent racist vandalism, threats and bogus hate crimes. But could this be one too? Not likely.

    Replies: @NOTA

    My impression is that there’s some idiot calling in a threat somewhere every day, overwhelmingly not actually a serious threat. I think we hear about a small subset of them. The same thing happens with various kinds of hoax or spray-painting offensive stuff on walls–the overwhelming majority of the time you never hear about this and the idiot involved gets yelled at by the dean or sentenced to picking up trash by the road for a couple weekends.

    The prestige media is a powerful distorting filter.

  135. @NOTA
    @GW

    I think Obama benefitted a lot from the fact that he's exactly what well-intentioned whites want to happen with blacks in the US--he's smart, well-spoken, educated, successful, married to the mother of his kids, apparently a decent father, etc. For all the discussion about racism in America, the truth is that most of us want blacks to succeed. We wish they would do better in school, commit fewer crimes, have fewer kids out of wedlock. We'd like blacks to succeed. Most of us have black family, friends, neighbors, coworkers. We'd be ecstatic if black schools started performing up to the standards of white schools, if blacks committed no more crime than whites from now on, etc. It would be worth ten times what we're spending in affirmative action and discrimination lawsuits, it would be worth all the reparations Ta-Nahisi Coates could wish for, if somehow that stuff happened.

    Now, it's not reasonable to expect Obama to cause that kind of change by being elected--one man can set a decent example, but can't redesign the culture of a fifth of the population, or raise the IQ of millions of kids. But people often vote for non-rational reasons--you can see that in the way every presidential candidate plays up their toughness and patriotism, and how much more important that is than whether the candidate knows what he's talking about.

    Iuspect that both whites and blacks were hoping that somehow, Barack and Michelle Obama would fix things in American society that are broken beyond any one couple's ability to fix.

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Desiderius

    I think Obama benefitted a lot from the fact that he’s exactly what well-intentioned whites want to happen with blacks in the US–he’s smart, well-spoken, educated, successful, married to the mother of his kids, apparently a decent father, etc. For all the discussion about racism in America, the truth is that most of us want blacks to succeed. We wish they would do better in school, commit fewer crimes, have fewer kids out of wedlock. We’d like blacks to succeed. Most of us have black family, friends, neighbors, coworkers. We’d be ecstatic if black schools started performing up to the standards of white schools, if blacks committed no more crime than whites from now on, etc. It would be worth ten times what we’re spending in affirmative action and discrimination lawsuits, it would be worth all the reparations Ta-Nahisi Coates could wish for, if somehow that stuff happened.

    That’s all true, but he also embodies many of the not-so-healthy traits of latter-day white culture (fecklessness, credentialism, wishful-thinking, style over substance) that make the goal of getting blacks to act whiter so problematic. The fact is that even white schools aren’t doing so hot these days, that even if whites commit fewer crimes they’re still gaming the hell out of the system for their own benefit, posterity be damned.

    If you want that stuff to somehow happen and for it to matter, best get to work getting the white ship righted, or maybe better still the American one.

  136. A story of some nice racial harmony in Mr. Sailer’s old hometown.

    Student Arrested Over Threat to Kill ‘White Devils’ at University of Chicago

    The identity of the student who made the threat has not been released but the student is reportedly in federal custody awaiting charges.

    The longer they take to release his identity, the less likely he is to be white.

    Personally, I think this should be splattered all over the NYT and CNN for weeks, colleges should loudly wring their hands and hold many a candlelight vigil, White Lives Matter, etc.

  137. If Jews are white then why do they tend to expend so much effort destroying white civilization?

    IMO, they think (for a variety of reasons) that living in a predominantly Muslim society, with no ethnic majority, will provide them security that Western society will not. Think the Ottoman Empire and Al-Andalus. While those societies weren’t liberal paradises, as the Jewish historian of Islam Bernard Lewis pointed out, the Jewish intellectuals viewed them with rose colored glasses to morally shame 19th century Christians.

    Right. And Jews don’t bother trying to shame Muslims for the same reason grifters don’t target grifters.

    That’s the only explanation that makes any sense.

    Not really. It fits under the standard explanations for Jewish support of open borders, too; weaken the power of their only rivals (Europeans) and balkanize their societies to make Jewishness less salient.

    All you have to do is look at Jewish life in modern Iran to see what Jewish life has probably been like in the Muslim world for most of history: ghetto city. Less violent conflict than in Christendom because they’re excluded from power, excluded from society; with no way for them to pose a threat to their hosts or compete for resources, there’s no reason for the natives to become upset with them. The Jews’ long-distance love affair with Jewish life under Islam is a delusion, wholly explained above: “rose colored glasses to morally shame 19th century Christians” (and justify anti-Christian animus among Jews).

  138. @Svigor
    Also:

    Five myths about black voters

    Al Gore got 90 percent of the black vote in 2000, and Obama won 95 percent eight years later.
     

    Replies: @AnAnon, @Truth

    the black/white vote in the south(and support for “majority-minority” districts) tends to reveal that blacks want black representatives, even though they could get more white democrats in overall.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @AnAnon


    the black/white vote in the south(and support for “majority-minority” districts) tends to reveal that blacks want black representatives, even though they could get more white democrats in overall.
     
    Incorrect (again).

    Statewide Republican candidates received, on average, about 15 percent of the African-American vote, and hew pretty closely to that average. This is true regardless of the race of the Republican candidate. The only African-American Republican to break 20 percent of the African-American vote was Michael Steele, who did manage to run about 10 points ahead of the party’s gubernatorial candidate, Robert Ehrlich (Swann and Blackwell ran about five points ahead of their counterparts in the Senate races). Swann actually ran behind the national average for Republicans among African-Americans that year.
     
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/11/23/cain_the_gop_and_the_black_vote_112168.html

    Replies: @AnAnon, @Brutusale

  139. @Truth
    @Svigor


    Hilary can count on the strong black support that Hussein enjoyed?
     
    Why not, Al Gore did?

    Replies: @Honorary Thief, @Brutusale

    Hillary can certainly count on winning the black vote, but it’s unlikely she can win it like Obama did. She may get 88-89% and normal turnout, she won’t get 95% and 10-15% greater the average black turnout.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @Honorary Thief

    Even another black candidate might not get the numbers Obama did--I think a lot of blacks wanted to tell their grandkids they voted for the first black president.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Honorary Thief


    Hillary can certainly count on winning the black vote, but it’s unlikely she can win it like Obama did
     
    She won't get Jamiel Shaw's vote:

    www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/11/29/deport-undocumented-immigrants-opposing-view-editorials-debates/76328594/
  140. @Honorary Thief
    @Truth

    Hillary can certainly count on winning the black vote, but it's unlikely she can win it like Obama did. She may get 88-89% and normal turnout, she won't get 95% and 10-15% greater the average black turnout.

    Replies: @NOTA, @Reg Cæsar

    Even another black candidate might not get the numbers Obama did–I think a lot of blacks wanted to tell their grandkids they voted for the first black president.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @NOTA

    A lot of white people, especially the young, wanted to be able to say they voted for the first black president.

    Replies: @Anton Chigurh

  141. @Shine a Light
    @Whiskey

    In the end whites are in a Battle of the Cradle and the last thing we need are further wedges being driven between white men and women. One side of this coin is Feminism, primarily a Jewish ideology aimed at convincing white women that a life devoted to the corporation is preferable to one raising children. It’s fine that a “game” community has risen up in defiance of the feminist movement – what is not fine is the whole “pick-up artist” that posits the ultimate goal of white men should be a an endless string of weekends banging recently retired porn stars at nightclubs.

    On the other side of the Feminism coin is “Whiskeyism” the idea that white women are all useless sluts desiring black or brown men. One remarkable thing about the alt-right crowd on Twitter is the number of white women down with nationalism and anti-feminist. So we must reject Whiskey-ism and develop a Maternalist ideology that celebrates strong women mothering the next generation as well as men devoting themselves -- not to notching their belts with porn stars -- but with raising their children. The last thing whites need to do is accept a ghetto inspired image of men as pick-up artists.

    And so Trump’s nationalism will make the transition easier to wean white women off the Democratic party. As a nationalist, Trump will not hesitate on the one hand to provide childcare assistance but on the other will increase salaries due to the laws of labor supply and demand and allow more single income households.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    One side of this coin is Feminism, primarily a Jewish ideology…

    I had no idea Susan B Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were Jewish. I just assumed Biblical names were in in the 19th century.

    • Replies: @Shine a Light
    @Reg Cæsar

    First wave feminism is more accurately called proto-feminism and was obviously in no way a Jewish phenomenon. 2nd and 3rd wave feminism however obviously were/are primarily a Jewish phenomenon.

    And in fact, looking back, the demands of the suffragettes were reasonable in the whole. Some are even called white supremacists today. I doubt that even in a hundred years, Susan Sontag, with her, "white race is the cancer of human history" statement, will be considered a white supremacist.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    , @Anton Chigurh
    @Reg Cæsar

    Anthony was white, Quaker, and agnostic.
    Stanton was white, British/Dutch.

    But they did so much damage to our civilization with suffrage that I can understand if you thought they were Jewish.

  142. @Honorary Thief
    @Truth

    Hillary can certainly count on winning the black vote, but it's unlikely she can win it like Obama did. She may get 88-89% and normal turnout, she won't get 95% and 10-15% greater the average black turnout.

    Replies: @NOTA, @Reg Cæsar

    Hillary can certainly count on winning the black vote, but it’s unlikely she can win it like Obama did

    She won’t get Jamiel Shaw’s vote:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/11/29/deport-undocumented-immigrants-opposing-view-editorials-debates/76328594/

  143. @Svigor
    Also:

    Five myths about black voters

    Al Gore got 90 percent of the black vote in 2000, and Obama won 95 percent eight years later.
     

    Replies: @AnAnon, @Truth

    Oooooh. %90 vs %95. Now there’s a strong mandate!

  144. @AnAnon
    @Svigor

    the black/white vote in the south(and support for "majority-minority" districts) tends to reveal that blacks want black representatives, even though they could get more white democrats in overall.

    Replies: @Truth

    the black/white vote in the south(and support for “majority-minority” districts) tends to reveal that blacks want black representatives, even though they could get more white democrats in overall.

    Incorrect (again).

    Statewide Republican candidates received, on average, about 15 percent of the African-American vote, and hew pretty closely to that average. This is true regardless of the race of the Republican candidate. The only African-American Republican to break 20 percent of the African-American vote was Michael Steele, who did manage to run about 10 points ahead of the party’s gubernatorial candidate, Robert Ehrlich (Swann and Blackwell ran about five points ahead of their counterparts in the Senate races). Swann actually ran behind the national average for Republicans among African-Americans that year.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/11/23/cain_the_gop_and_the_black_vote_112168.html

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    @Truth

    I didn't say or imply that they want black republicans. They want black democrats, or in other words, people they believe will best represent their interests.

    , @Brutusale
    @Truth

    Cain and Steele would be viewed by the black male as Toms. Trump's persona is more amenable to them. He's one of the few white Republicans that seems able to get a higher percentage of the minority vote without losing his core.

  145. @Reg Cæsar
    @Shine a Light


    One side of this coin is Feminism, primarily a Jewish ideology…
     
    I had no idea Susan B Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were Jewish. I just assumed Biblical names were in in the 19th century.

    Replies: @Shine a Light, @Anton Chigurh

    First wave feminism is more accurately called proto-feminism and was obviously in no way a Jewish phenomenon. 2nd and 3rd wave feminism however obviously were/are primarily a Jewish phenomenon.

    And in fact, looking back, the demands of the suffragettes were reasonable in the whole. Some are even called white supremacists today. I doubt that even in a hundred years, Susan Sontag, with her, “white race is the cancer of human history” statement, will be considered a white supremacist.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Shine a Light



    And in fact, looking back, the demands of the suffragettes were reasonable in the whole.

     

    They wanted women to vote, and prohibition.
  146. @NOTA
    @Honorary Thief

    Even another black candidate might not get the numbers Obama did--I think a lot of blacks wanted to tell their grandkids they voted for the first black president.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    A lot of white people, especially the young, wanted to be able to say they voted for the first black president.

    • Replies: @Anton Chigurh
    @Jim Don Bob

    To excise from them for once and for all their white guilt.

    I wonder if it worked.

  147. @Shine a Light
    @Reg Cæsar

    First wave feminism is more accurately called proto-feminism and was obviously in no way a Jewish phenomenon. 2nd and 3rd wave feminism however obviously were/are primarily a Jewish phenomenon.

    And in fact, looking back, the demands of the suffragettes were reasonable in the whole. Some are even called white supremacists today. I doubt that even in a hundred years, Susan Sontag, with her, "white race is the cancer of human history" statement, will be considered a white supremacist.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    And in fact, looking back, the demands of the suffragettes were reasonable in the whole.

    They wanted women to vote, and prohibition.

  148. @Truth
    @AnAnon


    the black/white vote in the south(and support for “majority-minority” districts) tends to reveal that blacks want black representatives, even though they could get more white democrats in overall.
     
    Incorrect (again).

    Statewide Republican candidates received, on average, about 15 percent of the African-American vote, and hew pretty closely to that average. This is true regardless of the race of the Republican candidate. The only African-American Republican to break 20 percent of the African-American vote was Michael Steele, who did manage to run about 10 points ahead of the party’s gubernatorial candidate, Robert Ehrlich (Swann and Blackwell ran about five points ahead of their counterparts in the Senate races). Swann actually ran behind the national average for Republicans among African-Americans that year.
     
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/11/23/cain_the_gop_and_the_black_vote_112168.html

    Replies: @AnAnon, @Brutusale

    I didn’t say or imply that they want black republicans. They want black democrats, or in other words, people they believe will best represent their interests.

  149. @Truth
    @Svigor


    Hilary can count on the strong black support that Hussein enjoyed?
     
    Why not, Al Gore did?

    Replies: @Honorary Thief, @Brutusale

    She’ll carry the black women at 95%+ like Barry did, but I see the bros at less than 80%- if it’s Trump.

    Loud, flashy and rich: what’s not for a bro to like?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Brutusale


    Loud, flashy and rich: what’s not for a bro to like?
     
    The bros can't vote in most states: felony convictions. But you might be underestimating the sistas, who have no no love for "beaners" and "yingyangs" taking over their neighborhoods.
    , @Jefferson
    @Brutusale

    "She’ll carry the black women at 95%+ like Barry did, but I see the bros at less than 80%- if it’s Trump.

    Loud, flashy and rich: what’s not for a bro to like?"

    Could you see 50 Cent voting for Donald Trump? I remember many years he ago he referred to George W. Bush as a gangsta. In the NAM community being called a gangsta is considered a compliment and not an insult. Gangsta is their way of saying a certain person is an alpha male.

  150. @Truth
    @AnAnon


    the black/white vote in the south(and support for “majority-minority” districts) tends to reveal that blacks want black representatives, even though they could get more white democrats in overall.
     
    Incorrect (again).

    Statewide Republican candidates received, on average, about 15 percent of the African-American vote, and hew pretty closely to that average. This is true regardless of the race of the Republican candidate. The only African-American Republican to break 20 percent of the African-American vote was Michael Steele, who did manage to run about 10 points ahead of the party’s gubernatorial candidate, Robert Ehrlich (Swann and Blackwell ran about five points ahead of their counterparts in the Senate races). Swann actually ran behind the national average for Republicans among African-Americans that year.
     
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/11/23/cain_the_gop_and_the_black_vote_112168.html

    Replies: @AnAnon, @Brutusale

    Cain and Steele would be viewed by the black male as Toms. Trump’s persona is more amenable to them. He’s one of the few white Republicans that seems able to get a higher percentage of the minority vote without losing his core.

  151. @Brutusale
    @Truth

    She'll carry the black women at 95%+ like Barry did, but I see the bros at less than 80%- if it's Trump.

    Loud, flashy and rich: what's not for a bro to like?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jefferson

    Loud, flashy and rich: what’s not for a bro to like?

    The bros can’t vote in most states: felony convictions. But you might be underestimating the sistas, who have no no love for “beaners” and “yingyangs” taking over their neighborhoods.

  152. @Bill Jones
    I've noticed a plethora of overtly anti white-male commercials on TV over the past several year.

    There's an Allstate car insurance ad where a shrewish woman upbraids a man, who allegedly told her men were superior drivers, when she received an Allstate bonus for not having an accident.
    "But I'm a women, Maybe it's a misprint" etc etc.


    That the man's point is validated by the fact that the stupid bitch thinks that failing to have an accident every six months is "superior driving" seems to have slipped the SJW Ad companies mind.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @AndrewR, @Some Economist

    The Allstate ad is high irony, as I’m almost positive that these “safe driver” rebates are just responses to insurance companies not being permitted to take certain factors into account when pricing premiums. I’m speculating, but from what I understand, the actuaries aren’t allowed to put, e.g., race in models, so offering some sort of rebate gets the prices closer to actuarially fair in the end. At least until the DOJ notices this.

  153. Oooooh. %90 vs %95. Now there’s a strong mandate!

    Sending me 5% of your checks any time soon? More to the point, no, Gore didn’t get the black % Hussein did, or the same level of turnout, and no, Cankles’ support among blacks doesn’t show any sign of reaching the levels Hussein’s did. A hell of a lot of Hussein’s margins of victory came from the increased black turnout vs. previous elections.

    Ask any presidential candidate if he’s willing to sacrifice 5% of his voters in the general, or would be happy about a 5% drop in turnout among key demos.

  154. It’s The Trumpening, folks.

  155. @Jim Don Bob
    @NOTA

    A lot of white people, especially the young, wanted to be able to say they voted for the first black president.

    Replies: @Anton Chigurh

    To excise from them for once and for all their white guilt.

    I wonder if it worked.

  156. @Reg Cæsar
    @Shine a Light


    One side of this coin is Feminism, primarily a Jewish ideology…
     
    I had no idea Susan B Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were Jewish. I just assumed Biblical names were in in the 19th century.

    Replies: @Shine a Light, @Anton Chigurh

    Anthony was white, Quaker, and agnostic.
    Stanton was white, British/Dutch.

    But they did so much damage to our civilization with suffrage that I can understand if you thought they were Jewish.

  157. @Svigor

    How nice it would be if white Americans would [...] For although we have rarely [...] and though most of us, by our own admission [...] where we won't benefit from the insights of [...] we continue to insist
     
    That's six "we's" in one paragraph.

    most white Americans [...] continue to insist that it is we who are
     
    There's another.

    we white folks know black and brown reality better than those who live it -- perhaps because we are
     
    There's two more. Haha, he actually used "we white folks"; classic.

    If we were so oblivious [...] what in the world would lead us to believe that we had suddenly become
     
    Three more.

    most white folks really did think [...] that everything was just fine, not only for ourselves [...] whites fail to see [...] too many of us apparently believe [...] it is we who
     
    Three more.

    For whites to not know [...] for us to [...] believe that we are
     
    Three more.

    that means we white folks challenging our own
     
    Three more, including another "we white folks," haha.

    we must proclaim
     
    And one more to wrap up. Excluding a few ambiguous "we's" that seemed more like general American "we's," I count 22 "we's" in that piece.

    His use of "we white folks" is especially funny. I've been using that one to lampoon him for years. My pet names for him are Tim "Nobody Here But Us White Folks" Wise, Tim "White Like Me" Wise, Tim "Gosh We Whites Are So Racist" Wise, etc. Each and every "we" from Wise is a lie. Tim Wise does not think of white Americans - and certainly not the whites he's complaining about - as his "we"; that's a pose to better serve us poison.

    His theme that whites should just shut up about race (to better hear blacks' endless whining and hollering, presumably) because they don't know about the black experience is interesting; does not knowing jack shit about the white experience shut blacks up about "white privilege" and the rest?

    Does it shut the rich liberal Jewish Wise up about the experiences and reality of actual white people? This guy makes his entire living pretending to be "just one of the white folks," when in fact he's just one of the Jewish folks, and has no clue. He should STFU about subjects in which he has absolutely no experience. The calculus of whiteness is far beyond his ken. He should stick to writing about a subject he's steeped in; Jewish Privilege.

    Replies: @Anton Chigurh

    The worm does what he does because it gets him attention–massive attention. If you don’t push the Cultural Marxist envelope you can’t survive in academia. That’s his “routine”.

  158. @Anonymous
    White men are scared shirtless that they might have to compete on a level playing field. Cowardly once you think about it

    Replies: @epebble, @Anon7, @Anton Chigurh

    *eyeroll* Uh huh. That’s it. You got us. LOL

  159. @Dave Pinsen
    @Wilkey


    There’s also maybe an element of “once you go black you can never go back.” After the eight year orgasm of Obama, Hillary is going to be a serious letdown – the lover with electile dysfunction.
     
    Dems are in for a Dinkins hangover. The black card has been played, and it won't excite left-leaning whites again for another generation. Dems could go for the Latino card, but they don't have a strong bench of Latino political talent, and no one gets that excited about Latinos politically anyway.

    The Dems best bet is a genuine-seeming populist like Sanders, who could get out their white vote, but he doesn't seem to want it enough to hit Hillary.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Dems could go for the Latino card, but they don’t have a strong bench of Latino political talent, and no one gets that excited about Latinos politically anyway.”

    Julian Castro is THE CHOSEN ONE, personally handpicked and groomed by George Soros to lead The Democratic Party into the next decade of the 2020s.

    Julian Castro is Anakin Skywalker to George Soros Palpatine. Julian Castro will embrace the dark side when he runs for president on an anti-White platform.

    Julian Castro will become a stronger political force on the Left than Bill Clinton’s wife because he is not Stale and Pale like Hillary Clinton. Race trumps gender in the KKK Crazy Glue Of The Democratic Party Fringes.

  160. @Brutusale
    @Truth

    She'll carry the black women at 95%+ like Barry did, but I see the bros at less than 80%- if it's Trump.

    Loud, flashy and rich: what's not for a bro to like?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jefferson

    “She’ll carry the black women at 95%+ like Barry did, but I see the bros at less than 80%- if it’s Trump.

    Loud, flashy and rich: what’s not for a bro to like?”

    Could you see 50 Cent voting for Donald Trump? I remember many years he ago he referred to George W. Bush as a gangsta. In the NAM community being called a gangsta is considered a compliment and not an insult. Gangsta is their way of saying a certain person is an alpha male.

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