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A private plane crash lands on the railroad track in the San Fernando Valley and the pilot is too banged up to climb out. Then the cops arrive with about six seconds to spare. This 18 second video is worth watching:

Here’s a pilot based at that airport’s recreation of the crash. The Youtuber had long ago decided that if his engine died just after takeoff, he would head for the railroad tracks rather than crash into the strip mall at the end of the runway.

Sounds like the crashing pilot made the right decisions.

 
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  1. Wait. we don’t need cops. A couple of social workers or those violence interrupters could have handled this. Nice work officiers !

  2. Los Angeles trains feature prominently in the original Fast & Furious movie and in Michael Mann’s Collateral. Actually, I think he might have used the same station during the opening sequences of Heat.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  3. Nathan says:

    It looks like an Amtrak. I was expecting a freight train for some reason.

  4. Nice job! Doing a decent forced landing and then being killed by a train would have been tragic. Yes, this could have been a scene in a movie.

  5. Anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, any thoughts on Bob Saget? He delivered arguably the greatest line in cinematic history in Half Baked:

  6. What I want to know is, if in the 21st century, where in the 17 seconds spanned by when the clip starts to when the officer yells to his colleagues “go, go, go!” with the man pulled from the wreck just before the train arrives, if there isn’t some way, with all of the wonder-high-tech industry in California, that the train could be signaled to stop short?

    There is a Web site run by Kalmbach, the publisher of Trains Magazine, where railroad employees and train enthusiasts alike register to post blog comments to call people who risk being struck by a train, “idiots”, “morons” and “Darwin award recipients” because as anyone who knows anything about trains knows, “The train cannot and will not stop.”

    I know that too, but isn’t it a form of social-technological barbarism to have a steel Juggernaut as a mode of transportation?

  7. Perhaps next time he could try crash-landing a few feet off to the side of the one place the fucking train’s going to be.

    H/t Sam Kinison.

    • Replies: @CCZ
  8. @Achmed E. Newman

    […] and then being killed by a train would have been tragic. Yes, this could have been a scene in a movie.

    Well, if you want a spectacular death worthy of a movie, how about a commuter train hitting a truck carrying big-ass steel rolls and a steel roll imitating the huge ball in Raiders of the Lost Ark crushing everything in it’s path in the front railroad car!

    Collision of Northern Indiana Commuter Transportation District Train 102 with a Tractor-Trailer, Portage, Indiana

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/505b96a8c4aa40a37a143c49/t/5c3b4175352f53368c00a26a/1547387255727/1998+-+Jun+18+-+Portage+IN+rar9903.pdf

  9. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The guy (and the plane) looked pretty beaten up (though not as bad as he would have looked 3 seconds later) so if this was a decent forced landing I’d hate to see what an indecent one looks like.

  10. newrouter says:

    The police don’t tell Metrolink what has happen? The engineer of the train is not applying his brakes to an obvious obstruction on his track? Film from the land of make believe.

  11. @Inquiring Mind

    Here’s a clue for you. You can’t stop a train on a dime.

    • Agree: guest007
  12. @newrouter

    Have you got any idea how hard it is to stop a train??!?

  13. currahee says:
    @newrouter

    Not a clue, but curious. How long does it take for a train like that to make an emergency stop ( and what distance would be traveled from the application point of the brake)?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jack D
  14. ic1000 says:

    2o seconds of cellphone video from another angle.
    https://youtu.be/Wp1VM_iFDys

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Matthew Kelly
  15. Jack D says:
    @newrouter

    The whole thing is over in a matter of seconds. Even if the train had been applying the brakes, it takes a speeding train about a minute to stop and about a mile of distance. It’s not like a car that you can stop in a few hundred feet. If he had been braking, it might have been going a bit slower at the point of impact but unless the train had a full minute warning it was going to plow into that plane anyway.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @newrouter
    , @AndrewR
  16. prosa123 says:
    @Anonymous

    A sudden death, so probably not Covid.

    • LOL: fish, Spect3r
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  17. newrouter says:

    One more observation: why weren’t the plane’s wings clipped by all the vertical structures , ie traffic lights et al? A. Baldwins’ girl didn’t kill herself.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  18. Jack D says:
    @ic1000

    Idiot was lucky that the wing didn’t slice him in half. When you see shit like this about to go down and there’s nothing you can do to help (and you can’t) RUN AWAY. Don’t stand there filming while the train hurls debris in your direction.

    • Agree: ic1000, Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  19. @currahee

    I’m guessing a sizable fraction of a mile.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  20. @Steve Sailer

    It looks like an Amtrak. I was expecting a freight train for some reason

    Commuter rail.

    Now this is commuter rail:

    • LOL: Alden
  21. newrouter says:
    @Jack D

    How long does it take for that amount of police presence to show up? Why at 0:02 are the police cars parked parallel to the crossing gate? The crossing gate will activate at a certain distance from the crossing. The time line doesn’t add up.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  22. @Dave Pinsen

    One of the Lethal Weapon movies featured the LA train/subway system as well.

  23. @newrouter

    Obviously, a fake using crisis actors directed by Stanley Kubrick.

  24. CCZ says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    He was most likely aiming for Whiteman Airport, with a runway parallel to the tracks and (center line) 250 feet from where he crashed.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  25. @Steve Sailer

    Stanley Kubrick predicted Jeffrey Epstein. Watch Eyes Wide Shut.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
  26. fish says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    H1B’s off to slave away in Renton Washington.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  27. @Jack D

    In an undecent one, you and the passengers die.

  28. Thomm says:

    Hey, Bob Saget just passed away at just 65.

    Betty White (99) and Sidney Poitier (94) are one thing. At that age whatever you die from is ‘natural causes’. But Bob Saget was not that old, was not obese, did not have any known addictions or cancerous neoplasms, and was married to a much younger (by 23 years), very attractive woman.

    What gives?

  29. @Reg Cæsar

    Modern art- a train built out of people.

  30. @ic1000

    If I were watching that clip sans context, I’d assume it was happening somewhere south of the border.

    • Replies: @Alden
  31. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, LAPD 👊🏻

    OT: When I was a boy growing up 40-50 years ago on the East Coast the LAPD were like gods to us boys as we carried our Adam-12 and Dragnet lunch boxes to school. Sometimes when I travel to LA and see LAPD the little boy in me feels like I’ve spotted a childhood sports hero. It’s weird. They seem like real cops. I can’t explain it.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
  32. @The Plutonium Kid

    Have you got any idea how hard it is to stop a train?

    Simple. To stop a:

    • 100,000 kg train,
    • initially travelling @30 m/s,
    • in 5 seconds.

    Answer: a constant force of 600,000N

    Oh, and only government workers ride that ridiculous rail system. Yet another taxpayer funded fringe benefit for public workers. Like schools.

    • Replies: @Yarro1
  33. @Anonymous

    OT (see previous thread)

    Sounds Like (Adam) Schatz Is A Dick

    Saget’s “I used to suck dick for coke” reminds me of a vaguely remembered assertion by a comic that “sucking dick for drug money” is a risk factor for acquiring HIV. With respect to a very clearly recalled line (not of coke) from Top Secret, if I were to be asked now about my preferred pronoun, the reply would sound something like, “Dick – as in ‘I love dick’.” An online search supplied the forgotten context: an order had been given to “leave no marks” in the torture of Val Kilmer’s character, Nick Rivers. That command was answered with “Ich liebe dich, mein Schatz.”

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Schatz

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  34. Bernard says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    What I want to know is, if in the 21st century, where in the 17 seconds spanned by when the clip starts to when the officer yells to his colleagues “go, go, go!” with the man pulled from the wreck just before the train arrives, if there isn’t some way, with all of the wonder-high-tech industry in California, that the train could be signaled to stop short?

    My thinking exactly. Was there no way to anticipate a train might be coming that way?

    • Replies: @Lurker
  35. anonymous[642] • Disclaimer says:

    Commuter rail double whammy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZls9BvqrJA

  36. @Steve Sailer

    Like a Roman on the Potomac?

    “Commuter rail” –
    Has there been any sort of Long Island Rail Road (Colin) Ferguson Effect?

    Also, although this train left the station in 2003, did Colin “Enoch” Powell ever deliver a Tigris & Euphrates Rivers of Blood speech?

    See also: Tom Cruise was no Bernie Goetz –

    • LOL: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @36 ulster
  37. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    Wow I didn’t realize Chappelle was in that. I saw Half Baked before I knew who he was.

    As for Saget, I grew up liking him on Full House. I was later very surprised to learn his standup was very raunchy.

  38. AndrewR says:
    @Jack D

    The plane had probably crashed at least five or ten minutes before. I highly doubt the cops all just happened to be right there when it crashed. Balls were dropped.

  39. AndrewR says:
    @Thomm

    66 is hardly a spring chicken. This might end up being another one of the many cases where a celebrity dies and the public never gets told why. I would definitely like to know if and when he had been vaxxed.

    • Replies: @kihowi
    , @Prosa123
    , @MEH 0910
  40. Lurker says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, this could have been a scene in a movie.

    Indeed. And we can all guess at the subtle changes in casting that would be required as well.

  41. Alden says:
    @Thomm

    He was found in a motel room. He wasn’t traveling. Not far from home. Why do people go to motels when they’re not traveling?

    • Replies: @Barnard
  42. Alden says:
    @Matthew Kelly

    It’s a typical Indian train.

    • Replies: @Yarro1
  43. Lurker says:
    @Bernard

    The train may already have been stopping? Trains are heavy and when moving fast there is no easy way of halting them quickly.

    Even worse with a heavy freight of course.

    Some Darwin Award gold medalists in there.

  44. I take it locomotive engineers take cover moments before these inevitable collisions. Notwithstanding the huge difference in mass relative to the plane/truck/object being hit, locomotive windows aren’t that strong.

  45. Thoughts says:
    @Thomm

    Booster or a little hit before bedtime of some white stuff

    I’m leaning towards drugs

  46. SafeNow says:

    On a Coast Guard cutter, the cutter swimmer had (still has?) the right to overrule the captain’s order to make a very dangerous rescue. The rationale is that the swimmer has superior hands-on knowledge of what would be entailed. And some risks are expressly out of bounds, like swimming under the hull of a capsized boat to search around. I wonder how things work with police and fire.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
  47. Anon[263] • Disclaimer says:

    Harrison Ford just can’t stop getting into trouble.

    • LOL: Spect3r
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  48. @Anon

    I saw Harrison Ford’s name trending on Twitter around the same time and that was my thought: So Harrison Ford crashed again.

  49. @Jack D

    I doubt he had a lot of room, Jack, after (I assume) losing the engine on T/O. The plane wasn’t a smoking hole in the ground, so yeah, decent job.

    BTW, the guy looked bad off in that quick video, but wounds to the face always bleed like hell – been there, done that. Hopefully, he’s doing alright.

    I say “anything you can walk away from is a good one”, but that goes for normal landings.

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Jack D
  50. @Steve Sailer

    Golf courses are GREAT forced landing sites for single-engine planes. Maybe golf course architects should keep that in mind and include a few really long, say 3,000 ft, fairways.

  51. @Steve Sailer

    LOL!

    Regarding the stopping distance, yeah, it’s long, but that thing must way a small fraction of a mile-long freight train. (Not to negate that point though)

  52. Ganderson says:

    Gage and DeSoto (and Chet) would be proud.

  53. @Achmed E. Newman

    As I recall hazily from a high school senior physics problem, the braking distance of a train is basically a function of its mass, its velocity, the psi differential its vaccum brakes can apply to the brake pads, the friction coefficient of the brake pad material and the area of the brake pads per railcar and the number of railcars. Everything else drops out of the equation.

    Don’t hold me to it; I might be wrong.

  54. @Buffalo Joe

    Betting the Los Angeles Times trashes the police and claims Antifa or BLM could have gotten him out faster if not for systematic racism. Or something…

  55. @Thomm

    I’ll miss Sydney Poitier, I love Banana Boat song. Daayyoh..daayyoh!!

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  56. Mike Tre says:

    Then they arrested him for not having a vaccine passport while flying .

  57. Altai says:

    OT: Continuing the recent victories in other arenas, the first man to win Best Actress at the Golden Globes was last night.

    Props to the HFPA, they’ve put the Oscars in a real bind with that. It’s like watching the US State Department and Russia attempt to escalate tensions horizontally. They called your bluff and now you’re the bigots.

    Maybe you shouldn’t have complained about Europe being so white Hollywood.

    Fortunately the Oscars don’t do TV and this was for a TV show so they are insulated from having to copy such a brand-diminishing decision just yet. But it will certainly leave them more vulnerable.

    Screenwriters, get on it, if you write Oscar bait and make a trans ‘woman’ the lead, you’ve got a good chance at people demanding a Best Actress for it no matter what it’s like.

  58. @PiltdownMan

    Yeah but everything cchanges if the train is going down – or up – and if the tracks are wet, because it rained, – or if a heavy storm hits it the train front? -Ever so slightly different calculations then, I’d assume.

  59. OT

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.14.472632v1

    Evidence for a mouse origin of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant

    The rapid accumulation of mutations in the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant that enabled its outbreak raises questions as to whether its proximal origin occurred in humans or another mammalian host. Here, we identified 45 point mutations that Omicron acquired since divergence from the B.1.1 lineage. We found that the Omicron spike protein sequence was subjected to stronger positive selection than that of any reported SARS-CoV-2 variants known to evolve persistently in human hosts, suggesting the possibility of host-jumping. The molecular spectrum (i.e., the relative frequency of the twelve types of base substitutions) of mutations acquired by the progenitor of Omicron was significantly different from the spectrum for viruses that evolved in human patients, but was highly consistent with spectra associated with evolution in a mouse cellular environment. Furthermore, mutations in the Omicron spike protein significantly overlapped with SARS-CoV-2 mutations known to promote adaptation to mouse hosts, particularly through enhanced spike protein binding affinity for the mouse cell entry receptor. Collectively, our results suggest that the progenitor of Omicron jumped from humans to mice, rapidly accumulated mutations conducive to infecting that host, then jumped back into humans, indicating an inter-species evolutionary trajectory for the Omicron outbreak.

    Now what the report steers well clear of is – wild mice or lab mice ?

  60. @James of Africa

    I’ll miss Sydney Poitier, I love Banana Boat song. Daayyoh..daayyoh!!

    Wrong Negro, same neck of the woods.

  61. mmack says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Re: Jeopardy’s new million dollar champion: I wonder if the show will keep “Amy” around long enough to break Matt Amodio’s streak of 39 games

    • Replies: @possumman
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  62. @Steve Sailer

    Where exactly was this? Ah – got it, just by Whiteman Airport, not so far from the “Gravity Defyer Outlet Store”. Top end of LA.

    Surely Whiteman Airport can’t keep the name much longer? Sidney Poitier Airport?

  63. mmack says:
    @Mike Tre

    When I rode Metra Rail to and from Chicago a train hitting a car was a regular occurrence. There was a notable case on the BNSF in Hinsdale, IL, where a stalled car was hit by TWO Metra trains, each going different directions. The first train came through the crossing and hit the car, which spun it into the path of another express train coming towards Hinsdale:

    Luckily the car was abandoned and nobody was in it when it got hit.

    Sadly I saw the results of a train hitting a Bobcat front loader that was clearing snow from a station platform and hung out over the tracks as an express came through. The worker didn’t survive.

  64. El Dato says:
    @Joe Stalin

    That’s one of those accidents when Satan wants to get you:

    The Omen: “Robert is again confronted by Father Brennan, who tells him that Damien must die and a man called Bugenhagen, located in Megiddo, can show him how. Enraged, Robert sends him away again. Caught in a torrential storm, Brennan attempts to seek shelter in a church.”

    Sadly, Father Brennan does not manage to reach holy ground in time.

  65. Now what the report steers well clear of is – wild mice or lab mice ?

    Don’t go looking for a lab leak under every rock. This is actually more circumstantial evidence against the lab leak theory (which I have never believed in the first place). Covid is a very nondiscriminatory virus: It infects bats, humans, mice, hamsters, deer, domestic dogs and cats—and God knows what else. It did not require the assistance of a lab to get into the human population.

    Most people seem to be hung up on Wuhan, with the only debate being whether Covid originated from the biological research lab or the live animal market. This is all wrong; it is a false dichotomy. What everybody forgets is that Covid-specific antibodies were found in donated blood samples that had been taken months before the Wuhan outbreak and that roughly 40% of the human population has preexisting natural immunity to Covid.

    This means that Covid was circulating in human populations at a low level somewhat before Wuhan happened, and that something very similar to Covid has been circulating in human populations at a fairly high level, probably for years.

    In other words, there is nothing “novel” about this coronavirus. The whole pandemic has been nothing but the politicization of a fairly nondescript natural event.

  66. @Anonymous

    Sucks. 4 years of Kelly Rizzo is not enough! On the other hand, maybe that’s what did him in….

  67. El Dato says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Likely wild mice.

    Dr. Didier Raoult from IHU Méditerranée Infection Marseille said ~1 year ago that France’s “second wave” quite possibly came from french mink farms. He was complaining that he couldn’t obtain the RNA sequence of the mink coronavirus as french labs were dragging their feet. I don’t know what became of that though. But I remember the mink holocaust.

  68. El Dato says:
    @PiltdownMan

    the friction coefficient of the brake pad material

    …which changes with rotational velocity and temperature, the former being (marginally) decreasing while the latter is increasing quickly…

    You have 5 minutes!

  69. But he was White! (well, red and white)

    How many POC have they pulled off the tracks?

    Defund the rasist Pigs now!

  70. @Achmed E. Newman

    Doing a decent forced landing and then being killed by a train would have been tragic.

    Would have been ironic too: surviving a crash by the riskiest form of travel and getting killed by the safest.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  71. Barnard says:
    @Alden

    Saget was doing a stand up comedy tour and had a show scheduled for Orlando Sunday night. He had performed the night before in Jacksonville. I don’t know where he lives, but would assume it is in the L.A. area.

    • Replies: @Alden
  72. @Buffalo Joe

    The serious anarchists (not the Antifa freaks) seem to think private security could do the trick. I don’t know how they would deal with this situation, however. Part of the cops’ response time is their numbers and distribution. If that guy had had to buzz his private security, I doubt they would have had anyone close enough to get him out in time.

  73. J.Ross says:
    @Steve Sailer

    So the damn train was empty anyway.

  74. Spect3r says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    What on earth am i looking at?
    Damn, that was close!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  75. Ralph L says:
    @SafeNow

    On the British fictional cop show “Cuffs,” the (black!) sergeant is punished for walking a demented old woman off the tracks before a train hits her. His trainee had run up the line to signal the train. That was all HQ ordered them to do.

  76. kihowi says:
    @AndrewR

    Remember when Goerge Michael just died sitting on his couch, of nothing? Hmmm.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  77. Spect3r says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I was laughing loud while at the same time thinking, this is actually not that bad of an idea.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  78. @PiltdownMan

    First, I made a stupid homophone error – “way” should be “weigh”, and thanks to Dieter and El Dato for the good replies.

    Yeah, the kinetic energy of the train goes linearly with mass and as the speed squared. The energy-dissipating power of the brakes of course depends on all that you mention, that air pressure, the materials and the general size of those brakes x the big number of them (each on 8 wheels per car), but also the total energy dissipation of them depends on the mass and heat dissipation capacity of them, in which there is a maximum brake energy. Beyond that, the brakes are too hot and they “fade”.

    The friction factor is a limit to the braking force and to the braking power. That’s where the coefficient of friction comes in, which does vary based on a lot of things. As you mentioned, the friction force is linear with the normal force (mass of the train x g) so when, it come up to that limit (up to slipping) the mass is a wash, as far as stopping distance goes. (In terms of momentum, it goes linear with mass, but the limit of stopping force from friction goes up linearly with mass too.)

    Then, there is Dieter’ point – that small component of gravity along the track direction acts on that whole massive train.

  79. Jack D says:
    @newrouter

    There is no direct connection between 911 and the Metrolink train driver. I don’t know how many minutes warning there were but probably 911 gets a call about a plane on the tracks. They dispatch police to check it out. By the time the cops get there several minutes later the crossing gate is already down and the train is approaching. If there had been more time they could have called the Metrolink dispatcher and he could have radioed the train but there obviously wasn’t enough time.

    What’s Hollywood is to assume that this type of coordination can take place instantly. The real world doesn’t work like that. 911 doesn’t have a button that they can push to make the trains stop on a dime.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Burnett
  80. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre

    Truck: I’m the biggest mofo on the road. Everybody get out my way.

    Train: toot-toot

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • LOL: Kylie
  81. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You answer your own question later – the stopping distance increases exponentially according to speed while weight is a linear factor. So while a commuter train weighs a lot less than a long freight train, they tend to go a lot faster. When you run thru all the equations, the stopping distances turn out to be similar – say the average commuter train is going twice as fast (80 vs 40 mph) but weighs 1/4 as much. Even if the freight train weighs 8x as much the stopping distance is only going to be double due to the speed difference.

  82. @fish

    It’s cool to think that our trains here in the USA will be looking like that in just a few short years.

  83. @CCZ

    “Whiteman Airport?” Dems demand a name change and pronto

    • Replies: @S
    , @CCZ
  84. @Buzz Mohawk

    New York City’s new mayor signs a law allowing non-citizens to vote.

    The Dems will soon make this nationwide, and before too long it’ll occur to them that it’s racist to restrict the franchise to migrants who have already made it here.

    Simple matter of disparate impact: the migrants who are still in their home countries are disproportionately dark. The rest writes itself.

  85. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    after (I assume) losing the engine on T/O.

    Look up the crash site on google maps. The train tracks run parallel to the runway (about 250′ SW) and the plane crash lands on the tracks right even with the verge of the runway. However the airport is in a built up area and before the verge there are houses and businesses directly across the street.

    I think what happened was that he lost the engine as he was coming in (possibly it was shortly after takeoff and he had enough time and altitude to (almost) go around) and he realized he wasn’t going to make the runway and didn’t want to hit the buildings so he shifted left to landing on the tracks. This being LA, while the parallel street was plenty wide, it was full of cars. Looking at the site the tracks really were his best option at that point.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  86. Yarro1 says:
    @Alden

    No. I’ve been to India three times and I’ve never seen anything like this. And in Delhi they have a decent metro system now…

  87. possumman says:
    @mmack

    He has such BROAD knowledge

  88. Yarro1 says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    And how will you apply this constant force? The efficiency of rail depends on the low friction between the smooth steel rails and smooth steel wheels.

  89. @Joe Stalin

    Joe, two guys are talking and the one says he is going to take a train trip across country. The other guys asks why not just fly. First guy says he is afraid to fly,planes crash all the time. Other guys says that’s nonsense and just last week 386 people died in a train wreck. First guy is stunned, did not know that. What happened? Second says a plane crashed into it. Try the veal and tip your waiter.

  90. @Jack D

    Jack, they used to stage head on steam locomotive train crashes for fun and profit. Some place is some film or stills and I remember reading of deaths and injuries to the paying, viewing public. Darwin at his best, I guess.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    , @S
  91. @Achmed E. Newman

    In the movie the cops would have to be POC women, at least one tranny.

    • Replies: @Alden
  92. El Dato says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Dr. John Campbell on “Omicron from mice”

    This looks like an LHC collision trace. Omicron blasts into existence after traversing a hidden tunnel apparently with one endpoint near the original Wuhan strain:

    Thank you Mickey!

    • Replies: @El Dato
  93. Alfa158 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Railroads traditionally have a sign called a yard limit board that would be posted one mile outside the railroad yards to warn engineers they should begin slowing down to the restricted speed for transiting it.

  94. Alden says:
    @Barnard

    Orlando Florida? Thank you. I assumed Orlando Ca. Many news articles don’t name the state.

    • Replies: @Rex Little
  95. @Achmed E. Newman

    As I understand the regulation, an airport has a zone assigned to it to accommodate emergency landings, i.e. planes that can’t make it [back] to the runway. That golf course where Harrison Ford crashed is the zone assigned to Santa Monica Airport. (Somehow I don’t think that Pebble Beach has to accept single engine planes coming down in Monterey.)

    • Disagree: Achmed E. Newman
  96. MEH 0910 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Harrison%20Ford%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

    https://www.relevantmagazine.com/justice/environment/harrison-fords-resurfaced-call-to-take-action-on-climate-change-is-a-must-watch/


    [MORE]

    In 2018, Ford delivered a stirring call to arms during the United Nations’ Climate Action Summit in New York, decrying the destruction of the Amazon rainforests. Ford rightly noted that individual actions — like driving cars and cooling our living spaces — have a relatively small impact overall on the climate crisis. The greater responsibility by many multiples lies on large corporations, and those are the entities Ford urges the rest of us to take to task.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Muggles
  97. El Dato says:
    @El Dato

    Also, for people speaking french: Why vaccinating kids is not a good idea, why vaccination is the subject of replacement religious wars and how HCQ treatment is still being actively suppressed in France out of dogmatic belief – irrespective of good data – and how vaccine mandates are dangerous aberrations.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
  98. Prosa123 says:
    @AndrewR

    My guess is that Saget died “suddenly” but not “unexpectedly.” Those terms sound similar but have very different meanings in obituary-speak.

    Suddenly = medical issue.
    Unexpectedly = overdose or suicide.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Muggles
  99. El Dato says:
    @MEH 0910

    I have a bad feeling about this.

  100. Jack D says:
    @currahee

    Roughly speaking it takes about a mile and about a minute of stopping time to bring a speeding commuter train to a stop.

  101. Alden says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    There would be at least one tall, blue eyed fair skinned White man cop. He would try to take charge and mess things up. At the last minute the heroic 👩🏽👩🏿‍🦱👩🏿‍🦱👩🏽 WOCs would thrust him aside, save the pilot, push the plane off the tracks and save the day.

    Off topic. Eric Adams the black Mayor of NYC who’s a retired black NYC cop just appointed his brother to a 240K a year police commission job. Some slight criticism ensued. Black Mayor defended appointment of brother.

    Claimed White Supremacists are a danger to his honor the Mayor. And having commissioner brother in charge of his honor’s security would keep the mayor safe from the White Supremacists of New York City.

    Eric Adams was a black panther and black Muslim associate when he was young. He’s probably a black radical mole. And now he’s Mayor. And there’s a new radical black Soros prosecutor too. In addition to the radical White Soros prosecutors.

    So much for all the conservative sites assuming a black former police officer would be anti black criminal.

  102. MEH 0910 says:
    @kihowi

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10386881/Bob-Sagets-tragic-family-history-Comedians-two-sisters-died.html

    Bob Saget lost both of his sisters to natural causes, one to a brain aneurism and one to an autoimmune disease, nearly 30 years ago when they were young adults.

    […]
    Andrea died in 1985 from a brain aneurism, and Gay died in 1994 after being diagnosed with the autoimmune disease scleroderma.

    • Thanks: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Reg Cæsar
  103. Jack D says:
    @MEH 0910

    In some families, people live a very long time and in others they tend to die young. That’s just how it is. The people speculating about the vaccine or AIDs or drugs or whatever are being ridiculous. They can only speculate like this because there is a temporary information vaccum into which you can spew your odious brain farts. Wait a few days and the cause of death will be announced, not that it’s really any of your business. If I had to bet in the absence of further information (and I don’t) I would guess that it was probably from some “natural” cause – a heart attack or whatever, but we’ll know soon enough.

  104. @Johann Ricke

    I compensate by being able to tell Poitier/Belafonte from Sammy Davis Jnr.!

  105. @Jack D

    That scenario was possible, Jack, but I just read that it was a take-off accident. Sorry to link you to yahoo, ugghh, but here.*

    Knowing a busy area like that, with nothing but buildings, and his low altitude upon losing the engine (seeing he was so close to the field), the RR track may very well have been his best bet. Of course, the cars are a problem, but even on an empty wide street the power lines would still be.

    This is why we need more golf course, dammit!
    .

    * BTW, the article says “failed take-off”! WTH? No it was not at all a “failed take-off” (no such term is in use), as the airplane sure enough got off the ground alright.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    , @Jack D
  106. @Jack D

    One of those new hopper cars can weigh 125 tons loaded. Get just 50 of them and a couple of locomotives at 250 tons apiece, and you get 6,750 tons, or 13 and 1/2 million pounds. A commuter train will, have, what, 8 cars or so? Say 10, but they weigh more like 70 tons. (I don’t know how much their engines weigh.) Maybe the total is 900 tons max.

    Yep, your 2nd is a good estimate, Jack. You got 7-8 times the mass, maybe sometimes 20. The speeds in the city might be off a factor of 2, but out in the sticks these freight trains haul ass. That’s where they can take a mile or something to stop (depending on a lot of stuff).

  107. @Achmed E. Newman

    “This is why we need more golf course, dammit!”
    Lol… I agree. Moar golf courses, dammit! ☮

  108. @PiltdownMan

    Vacuum brakes? Just how old is that communter train? ☮

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  109. kihowi says:
    @Jack D

    I didn’t even know he was jewish, Jack, but your comically over-the-top reaction made me check…and there it was.

  110. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Obviously the reporter knows nothing about flying.

    The other possibility is that he had taken off toward the SE on 12, was already up in the air when he ran into trouble but realized that he didn’t have enough altitude or room to either go around or come back down on the runway so he shifted to his right and landed on the tracks.

    Given where he ended up (only yards beyond the end of the runway) he probably should have stuck with the runway. He can “that” close to being pulverized by the train. Even if he had hit the chain link fence at the end of the runway, that’s preferable to getting hit by a train.

  111. @Thomm

    Bob Saget’s sister died of a brain aneurysm. Those can run in the family and can cause sudden death. Possibly Bob had an aneurysm?

  112. @Buzz Mohawk

    “And the band played on…”

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  113. @Jack D

    Or maybe not. The family may decide they don’t want his corpse sliced up from head to toe to try and ascertain the cause of death for a 65-year old man. The medical examiner may look at the police report and the corpse and see no forced entry, no signs of struggle, and just write down “natural causes.” I think you have to request a county autopsy these days if the LEOs decide there’s nothing for them to do. You might even have to pay for it, I don’t know.

    I’m approaching what Gary North used to call the “top layer of the wedding cake.” As a child, you’re on the bottom layer with parents and grandparents. As an adult, you have your parents. As an older adult, well, you’re the grandparent (God willing). The takeaway for me is, lots of people die in their 60s and 70s. Usually it’s a latent cardio-vascular defect just waiting to happen. Or a respiratory virus that turns into pneumonia that turns into sepsis that causes organ failure and death.

    We are in a huge demographic bulge of these people for the next 20 years; it’s going to seem like the whole world is dying.

  114. Having flown small planes, they aren’t that heavy. With that number of cops around it probably would have been quicker just to pull the plane off the tracks rather than work on getting the pilot out.

  115. @R.G. Camara

    It actually is kind of surprising that movie got funded and made. In retrospect I bet there are a number of people who wish after Kubrick died it had been possible to somehow keep it from being finished up for the masses to see and continually think about and refer to over the next few decades. As the great director’s final film, and a high-quality production commanding prime acting talent, it was quite prominent upon its release and would now be impossible to memory hole. The lurid speculation it’s encouraged in the culture about the bizarre sexual activities and crimes of our interconnected elite must be a nuisance for some.

    And yeah, the whole Epstein thing – talk about having to keep your eyes wide shut not to see. I always remember that scene toward the end where Sydney Pollack matter-of-factly says to Cruise that there were people he wouldn’t believe who were present at the ceremony and heavily implies that his safety depends on him dropping the whole matter.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  116. Notice, people, that when it’s not in a movie or TV show, vehicles don’t ALWAYS blow up to smithereens when they crash. Of course this plane didn’t have that much of a chance to. ;-}

    I was catching up on old Rockford Files episodes and in the very first one (2 parts) had this Cessna 210 (I think) land in the desert after Jim made a George C. Scott/George Patton shot from 1/4 mile from the rear with a (non-pearl-handled) revolver and somehow made 2 clean shots into the SIDE of the front cowling that somehow got the oil pan or oil cooler lines.

    Well, this plane landed decently in the desert there, maybe flipped over somehow, and the 2 big goons got out and started running like hell. I thought they were running after Jim and the girl (of course, there’s a girl, who will never end up paying those \$200/day + expenses!) No, they were running because they knew they were in a TV show, and the plane was gonna blow up any second, as it promptly did. They couldn’t kill off the goons, as Rockford had to bring them in to the cops, who arrested Jim for shooting at an airplane, or being a nuisance (which his IS) or something…

  117. @Jack D

    From a purely Newtonian point of view there is no reason why, mass times velocity being equal, stopping distance is an exponential.

    The one thing that’s not equal is the friction between the wheels and the rails and the number of wheels on the rails. The point of contact is, almost literally a point and both surfaces are by design and usage polished. I have no interest in getting into coefficients of friction but have at it. (if only isteve had a couple of hidden black women to do the dogsbody math)

    https://engineeringlibrary.org/reference/coefficient-of-friction

    I assume there is some sort of anti-lock system and that’ll do for me.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  118. @Inquiring Mind

    Arguably one of the if the greatest MST3k shorts. Featuring the Impish Officer of Death.

    Can trains stop? Of course not. “They have no time for you corn-shucking crackers!”

    Now I’m going to get a little bit of lunch!

    • LOL: James of Africa
  119. @The Plutonium Kid

    “Have you got any idea how hard it is to stop a train??!?”

    Hence, the expression:

  120. @Anon

    “I can’t explain it.”

    I can: Jack Webb’s “special relationship” with the department, resulting in 2 decades of shows like Dragnet, Dragnet 196-70, and Adam 12. Your basic propaganda, simple really.

    Hoover did the same thing with the FBI. Some people still think of Efraim Zimbalist Jr., Mulder and Scully or Clarice Starling when someone mentions FBI. The Left used to know the FBI was the enemy, but now that they’re “woke” they’re RussiaGate busting heroes. The Trumptards were quite shocked to see that slimy little weasel Strzok at the hearings.

    • Replies: @Curle
  121. @YetAnotherAnon

    Dr. John Campbell discussed this on his Youtube channel a few days ago.

  122. @MEH 0910

    If my name were “Gay Saget”…

    Then again, many years ago I once came upon discovered a Galen Faggett on an application. He appears to be with us still.

  123. @Jack D

    Update. Apparently there was a county autopsy. Not sure how in-depth it was.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  124. CCZ says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Instant analysis has its limitations. From the ATC animation (begins at video 00:33), by turning to crash land on the highway and railroad tracks, the pilot avoided houses and perhaps much more damage, injury, and even death.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jack D
  125. Alrenous says: • Website

    Did he have a string of previous accidents? Perhaps a history of questionable automobile manoeuvres?

    In theory a tragic sequence of events could happen to anyone, but I’ve never seen a case. Most of the time they can be farmed for heroic rescues until they finally do something just a little bit too far away.

    Other times they instantly bite it about two months later.

    Meanwhile the Finn who has no pilot’s license and built his own plane has gone up some dozens of times and the only problem is the local authorities keep finding out and confiscating the plane.

  126. Jack D says:
    @Bill Jones

    I don’t think that’s correct. All sources say that stopping distance is proportional to the mass times the SQUARE of the speed.

    See for example:

    https://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/energy/cs.cfm

    where they derive the formula

    0.5*m*v^2 = F*d

    where m is mass, v is velocity and d is distance

    based on the change in kinetic energy.

    So if the mass is say 4 and the velocity is 2, the stopping distance is not the same as when the mass is 2 and the velocity is 4, even though mv = 8 in both cases. In fact the stopping distance is 2x greater in the latter case.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Bill Jones
  127. Curle says:
    @James J O'Meara

    I was surprised to learn he was heterosexual. Even more surprised that an woman let him play out his preferences.

  128. Jack D says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    They say the results may take up to 10 or 12 weeks. The scene did not show any evidence of drug use or foul play. Probably the guy just died peacefully in his sleep. We should all be so lucky in our manner of death (if not the age).

    Of course toxicology may show something else. Maybe he told a Putin joke?

  129. @Jack D

    Well, I tried to avoid it but now I’m gonna have to go and find out.
    Damn you.

  130. Muggles says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    This was done in Central Texas in the 19th century. Around 1870.

    Had a big event and charged for watching.

    Some in the audience were killed (trains had no drivers/engineers/brakemen/etc.) due to being too close. Just like NASCAR!

    No trial lawyers back then, but organizers never did that again.

    Steam locos I think.

  131. Muggles says:
    @MEH 0910

    Harrison Ford

    Well known scientist and former full time LA handyman.

    He knows his nail sizes and hammers and such. So he’s an expert on virtually everything!

    “Flying expensive private planes isn’t the problem! It’s big corporations and stuff, they’re to blame! Blizzards no long begin until October in Wyoming now! They must do something or other…”

    (He kinda looks like Angry God in that YouTube. Mixing his message…)

  132. @Yarro1

    how will you apply this constant force?

    From wiki: The Aerojet Rocketdyne RS-25, also known as the Space Shuttle Main Engine is a liquid-fuel cryogenic rocket engine .. the RS-25 burns cryogenic liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen propellants .. producing 1,859 kN (418,000 lbf) of thrust.

    Air brakes.

  133. Muggles says:
    @Prosa123

    I’m thinking “dangerous auto-erotic activity.”

    I knew a guy who supposedly killed himself that way.

    Not something you’d want in your obit.

  134. pyrrhus says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Don’t think these were the same LA cops who arrested a surfer for not wearing a mask….

  135. @CCZ

    Landing on the railroad tracks is a really good idea (except for the small number of times per day when a train is roaring through). Presumably, that’s the designated place to crashland if your plane breaks on takeoff from the Whiteman airport.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  136. @Jack D

    I got it!

    The piece I was missing is in the definition of a Newton: : it is not linear it is, in itself an exponential function.

    So thanks.

  137. @prosa123

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  138. @Inquiring Mind

    You can’t stop a freight train with hundreds on tonnes in tow on a dime, but commuter rail trains are designed to stop in fairly short distances.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  139. @Spect3r

    There oughta be a law! If they can’t handle the par-13 1,000 yard hole, F-em.

    • Replies: @Spect3r
  140. @Steve Sailer

    Well, Steve, a straight road without power lines too close is much better. The gear on most airplanes is wider than the gauge, and the ballast gravel may cause the plane to flip either from drag or just that it slopes down pretty steep off both sides.

    In the city like this, I think it’s all you got, besides the roof of a warehouse. (Yes, that’s been done – multiple times.)

  141. S says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Are you talking about, amongst other such events, the ‘Crash at Crush’ in Sept, 1896? No entry fee was paid by the 40,000 spectators, though the rail companys made out like bandits on train ticket sales just to get to the location. The engines were obsolete and out of service so no loss for the rail company sponsoring the event on that score.

    For safety purposes the crowd was kept back an insufficient two hundred yards. Press folks, given special consideration, were allowed to be within a doubly insufficient one hundred yards of the grand event.

    The photographer, Jervis C Deane, who took the pic below, lost an eye from a flying bolt. Two others in the huge crowd, unfortunately, lost their lives, along with five injured.

    The Crash at Crush was a one-day publicity stunt in the U.S. state of Texas that took place on September 15, 1896, in which two unmanned locomotives were crashed into each other head-on at high speed. William George Crush, general passenger agent of the Missouri–Kansas–Texas Railroad, conceived the idea in order to demonstrate a staged train wreck as a public spectacle. No admission was charged, and train fares to the crash site – called Crush, set up as a temporary destination for the event – were offered at the reduced rate of US\$2 (equivalent to \$62.22 in 2020) from any location in Texas.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_at_Crush

  142. Jack D says:
    @CCZ

    Yes, this sounds like the scenario I describe in #116. But the animation doesn’t look very realistic. That’s not how planes move. He must have veered off toward the track somewhat earlier when he realized that he wasn’t going to be able to come to a stop before he ran out of runway. He would have had only a few seconds to make this decision.

    • Replies: @CCZ
  143. @The Alarmist

    What’s “fairly short” for a train?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  144. @The Alarmist

    And Sidney Poitier died too.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  145. @Nathan

    Anything going that fast is commuter rail.

    This is what I hate about commuter rail.

    They run them full speed through every little town so the people on a half-empty train can be at their destination 15 minutes earlier.

  146. @Steve Sailer

    For light commuter rail, 160 to 180 metres, assuming it is one that makes frequent stops and isn’t “high speed.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  147. @mmack

    Indeed I wonder if it is rigged. These days, there is no reason not to at least suspect so. After all, if our hero Steve Sailer could not do this, how can some dumb ass like that do it, if not via some shenanigans?

  148. CCZ says:
    @Jack D

    Agree about the animation, but useful as an approximation. He (N8056L) calls “Mayday” at video 00:38 and then calls out “railroad track” at video 00:41 (before the animation shows the turn), so seemingly he was intentionally turning and aiming for the railroad right of way.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  149. A shame that the victim was a privileged (pilot) White man. If the cops were trans and the pilot was a black female, the movie would be starting production next week and all involved would be headed for a Oval office ceremony forthwith.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  150. @Adam Smith

    A better question would be to ask exactly how old my high school physics textbook was!

    • LOL: Adam Smith
  151. @The Alarmist

    Thanks.

    But this train is heavy rail on a standard rail line shared with freight trains with its own right of way and no need to stop for cross-traffic.

    • Thanks: Hibernian
  152. S says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Doing a decent forced landing and then being killed by a train would have been tragic.

    It would also have been ironic and made for some potentially new subject material for Alanis Morissette’s ‘Isn’t it Ironic’ song.

    I’m glad the pilot appears he will survive.

    The police had time enough for multiple squad cars to arrive and to put up caution tape. Wonder if they had contacted the rail line to warn the oncoming trains, or, if in the excitement, it was simply overlooked? We’ll find out.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  153. @CCZ

    It sounds like the pilot did a pretty good job of not killing some pedestrian walking down the street after his plane broke.

    This is more or less the same part of the San Fernando Valley where in the late 1950s an experimental test plane collided in mid-air with a DC-7 and killed some school kids at recess below.

    A couple of famous pilots — Richard Bong and Francis Gary Powers — took a fatal dive into the ground in the Valley rather than risk wiping out people on the ground. If the pilot keeps his plane at Whiteman Airport, he probably is familiar with all this local aviation lore.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Jack D
    , @36 ulster
  154. @Spect3r

    What a tail: Whale sculpture saves runaway Dutch train

    From the same source(s), Greta Thunberg, like Heather Mills before her, is annoying, but may be doing some good anyway:

    Back on track: Europe’s fading night trains win reprieve

    Bill Veeck’s grandson goes by the name Night Train.

    https://sps.northwestern.edu/stories/news-stories/sports-administration-night-train.php

    And there was his namesake, this guy:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Train_Lane

    • Replies: @Spect3r
  155. @Buffalo Joe

    Had they been black,same outcome? Or female?

  156. S says:
    @Known Fact

    “Whiteman Airport?” Dems demand a name change and pronto

    That probably has triggered some folks just now hearing about this crash.

    They could change the name to ‘Blackman Airport’, or, simply, ‘George Floyd Memorial’.

    I’m a little surprised they haven’t got around to that yet. Give them time.

  157. @Steve Sailer

    And Sidney Poitier died too.

    And Peter Bogdanovich. He was the straight Rex Reed.

    It was an insult for the Academy to nominate Tatum O’Neal for Best Supporting Actress in his Paper Moon. She should have been up for lead.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
  158. @Gary in Gramercy

    I remembered that too, but I was thinking of this:

  159. JMcG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Senator John Heinz was killed in a mid-air collision over suburban Philadelphia in 1991. He was in a Piper Aerostar which was thought to be having difficulty getting its landing gear down and locked. A helicopter was sent to do a visual check on the gear. The two aircraft collided, killing all five aboard the plane and helicopter as well as two children in a schoolyard below. Others were burned.
    A horrifying, inexplicable accident.
    His widow, of course, went on to marry John Kerry.

  160. @JMcG

    Was an extremely tall man seen lurking about Senator Heinz’s airplane hangar the night before?

    • LOL: JMcG
  161. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    When Whiteman Airport (BTW shouldn’t White Man Airport be cancelled? – perhaps Marvin White Man’s ancestors owned slaves or something?) was built in 1946, it was still farm fields all around. They really should have kept some of those fields and not built houses right up to the edge of the runway. I can’t imagine it’s that great living directly under the flight path anyway.

    There are some (more spacious) airports where beyond the runway they install a special kind of spongy concrete that has sort of the consistence of foam – the wheels of the aircraft sink into this stuff and it brings the plane safely and quickly to a stop.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineered_materials_arrestor_system

  162. Bernard says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Or maybe not. The family may decide they don’t want his corpse sliced up from head to toe to try and ascertain the cause of death for a 65-year old man. The medical examiner may look at the police report and the corpse and see no forced entry, no signs of struggle, and just write down “natural causes.”

    That absolutely will not happen, there will be an autopsy regardless of the families wishes. When you die suddenly and have no known, reasonably imminent health problem, an autopsy is always called for.

    • Replies: @Curle
  163. Burnett says:
    @Jack D

    If what you say is true (and I suspect it is), it seems like a flaw in the communication system that should be fixed. At a minimum, when 911 gets a call that a vehicle is sitting on train tracks at a specific location, they should be able immediately to patch into someone on the railroad side, who in turn can order all trains on that track within a two mile radius to begin braking immediately. Early breaking, even if not sufficient to stop the train, might at least slow it down by a few seconds. And as seen in the video, a few seconds can be the difference between life and death.

    • Thanks: Hibernian
  164. @reactionry

    “Ich lieb dich” translates to “I love you”.

    Memorable to me, because a high school male classmate told me, as a prank on me, to say “ich liebe dich” to a female classmate, who was fluent in German. She figured that I didn’t know what I was saying, and it was cool. Her mother was the German language teacher. We were in French class together.

    Google Translate the phrase, or click on:

    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of/german-word-ich_liebe_dich.html

  165. CCZ says:
    @Known Fact

    Even better, close and vacate the airport in the name of environmental justice. City council resolution already approved and signed by the mayor!!!!

    WHEREAS, on November 12, 2020, a single-engine plane was approaching the Whiteman Airport in Pacoima when the pilot radioed the control tower to signal that the plane was malfunctioning before tragically crashing on a residential street just a few hundred feet short of the airport’s runway; and

    WHEREAS, this accident is a reminder of the public safety threat that the Whiteman Airport poses to the Pacoima community; and

    WHEREAS, the Whiteman Airport, owned and operated by the County of Los Angeles, is also a significant source of air pollution to the region, increasing the surrounding communities’ exposure to hazardous pollutants; and

    WHEREAS, a 2007 report by Pacoima Beautiful, a community-based non-profit pursuing environmental justice initiatives for the region, funded by an Environmental Protection Agency grant identified the Whiteman Airport as the largest toxic source emitter in Pacoima; and

    WHEREAS, closure and redevelopment of the Whiteman Airport would present an economic opportunity to create housing and jobs for the surrounding community, which has long-endured the environmental harm caused by this airport; and

    WHEREAS, there is a clear need to address and mitigate the environmental and public safety risks this airport presents to the Pacoima community;

    NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, with the concurrence of the Mayor, that by the adoption of this Resolution, the City of Los Angeles hereby includes in its 2021-2022 State and Federal Legislative Programs SUPPORT for any legislation or administrative action that would shut down the Whiteman Airport and mitigate the public safety and health risks the Whiteman Airport poses to the surrounding City residents, including the performance of a full environmental analysis of airport activity.

    https://cityclerk.lacity.org/lacityclerkconnect/index.cfm?fa=ccfi.viewrecord&cfnumber=21-0002-S13

    • Replies: @74v56ruthiyj
  166. @Jack D

    You answer your own question later – the stopping distance increases exponentially according to speed while weight is a linear factor

    No, stopping distance is proportional to the speed squared, certis paribus. The square of a number is not an exponential function. an exponential function is, for example, y = exp. ^x, where exp. = 2.718… and 2.718… is the natural logarithm of the number 2. The symbol ^ means “raised to the power of.’

    An important equation is the kinetic energy equation: kinetic energy = (1/2) times mass times velocity^2. You were correct that stopping distance is linearly proportional to mass.

    Newton and Leibniz knew the kinetic energy equation. Einstein’s celebrated e = m times c^2 is a variation on the basic kinetic energy equation in which the (1/2) is omitted and c = speed of light.

    In technical English, “mass” and “weight”, and “speed” and “velocity” are not synonyms, but those distinctions are not important in the context of train stopping distance.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  167. @The Anti-Gnostic

    We are in a huge demographic bulge of these people for the next 20 years; it’s going to seem like the whole world is dying.

    I agree with your logic and your analysis here, but not with your math. If by “demographic bulge” you mean the Boomers, then the time frame extends somewhat. The oldest Boomers will be turning 76 this year, which means we have about another 6 years to go before this first cohort starts meeting with what is now the median age of death, viz. 82.3. That means that the demographic overhang is going to take about 30 years to even itself out, not just 20.

    I, myself, will be an old man by the time the bulge is finally liquidated, even though I am a last-gasp Gen-Xer (very nearly a Millennial). The politics and culture of the rest of my life will be dominated by the deaths of those whose lives already sucked all the air out of my youth.

    It’s a pretty depressing thought. Perhaps, if I live long enough in good health, I might get to spend a few years in my late 70s finally being at the top of the wedding cake, but I’m not counting on it.

  168. Curle says:
    @Thomm

    Regarding Nelson Rockefeller’s death:

    “What happened to Nelson Rockefeller was not unusual or surprising. Medical studies say that one of the most common causes of death of men his age is a heart attack while having sexual intercourse with a woman not his wife (the reason being that when a man has sex with his own wife, he is used to her and is less likely to be under stress or excited or aroused).”

    https://www.reformation.org/megan-marshak.html

    Megan was 27 years old.

  169. Curle says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m familiar with an old story, probably tall tale, that the US interstate system was designed with intermittent straight stretches designed for backup B-52 landings.

  170. Curle says:
    @Bernard

    “ That absolutely will not happen, there will be an autopsy regardless of the families wishes.”

    Maybe in your county. In mine only when foul play is suspected.

  171. @Curle

    I’d heard the same thing, Curle. I’d lean toward it not being a tall tale, but B-52’s? That’s asking a lot.

    • Replies: @74v56ruthiyj
  172. @S

    Ha, it’s ironic that you wrote me that, in an Isn’t it Ironic definition, meaning not ironic at all but just a shame, as I too think it was really ironic that the only popular song with “ironic” in it doesn’t give examples of irony at all.

    That said, sort of, thanks for the info, S. I wonder if those true heroes who pulled the pilot out of that plane had been doing that caution tape stuff and were told about the train coming then.

  173. @Jack D

    EMAS is used at airline airports and only (based on \$\$) at the ends of runways with big drops-offs, say Charlie West. I’d guess a single engine 4-seater would not even crush the material but roll out right on down the hill….

    The people that build houses right near airports are the ones that call up and bitch about airplane noise and try to get them closed down. Yeah, sure the airport was built 50 years earlier, and they knew it was there when they moved in, but that doesn’t stop them.

    White Plains (HPN) in NY State has some big residential complex just to the east of the centerline on a short approach to runway 34 (pointing NNW). “Hey!”, the people yell on the phone to the airport commission, “the place is too damned loud, and I’m trying to get some sleep! Gotta catch a flight early in the morning!”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  174. JMcG says:
    @Curle

    Switzerland and a couple of Scandinavian countries have sections of highway set up like that. John McPhee had a book called “La Place de la Concorde Suisse.” It was about the way in which Switzerland was set up for defense in case of a Soviet Invasion. The bridges were all wired for demolition, artillery emplacements built and equipped, etc. It is a very interesting short read, though I’m sure very dated these days.

  175. @Jack D

    When I was a boy, living at the end of the VanNuys Airport runway was great. F-84 Thunderjets from the Air National Guard taking off in pairs. Probably why my dad could afford the house.

  176. @CCZ

    The real estate interests want to turn it into condos.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  177. @Achmed E. Newman

    I understand that SAC runways are four feet thick. That would make a very expensive freeway.

  178. @Sam Malone

    As the great director’s final film, and a high-quality production commanding prime acting talent, it was quite prominent upon its release and would now be impossible to memory hole. The lurid speculation it’s encouraged in the culture about the bizarre sexual activities and crimes of our interconnected elite must be a nuisance for some.

    Yet the film didn’t really encourage many esoteric sex-cult conspiracy theories outside of Alex Jones’s most extreme fans. Most people saw it (including myself) and believed its sex cult imagery was designed more to be symbolic than truthful, and, if truthful, concerned only a small isolated fraction of the power elite.

    After Epstein, however….man, Kubrick appears to have really outed the whole plot.

    The only parts about this that aren’t Epstein-esque are the bizarre satanic rituals in the film, which have yet to be confirmed. But if we ever get pictures of Bill & Hillary wearing masks and cloaks in a circle of naked women conducting a Black Mass…and at this point, I believe it happens.

    It’s also interesting that many of Kubrick’s films all share a common theme of elites-with-esoteric-secrets v. the common rabble’s beliefs. Dr. Strangelove (secret nuclear spying/war/contingency plans of post-apopcalyptic bunker diving), The Shining (secret elite parties way up in the mountains on an Indian graveyard and apparent regular human sacrifice), 2001 (secret elite knowledge of the monoliths/alien contact), and Eyes Wide Shut all involve elites keeping powerful, strange, weird, or dangerous secrets from the people, usually only to protect the elite’s status, power, and pleasure.

  179. Spect3r says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    And if they manage then they really deserve to be called “Masters” 😀

  180. Spect3r says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Saved by a tail… not bad!
    I never had heard about any of these guys before, thank you 🙂

  181. @Reg Cæsar

    Austin, Texas in ten years.

    • Replies: @36 ulster
  182. @Achmed E. Newman

    Steve, this is not a complaint but a heads-up: I wrote that one closer to a day ago than “1.5 hours ago”.

    May be a minor bug. Usually much-delayed comments till have the original submission time.

  183. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s not just hills. They have EMAS at JFK and LGA in NY because if you overrun the runways you end up in the water. A lot of the incidents where the EMAS was actually used involved business jets and not just airliners, but admittedly not small planes. I assume you could tailor the density of the foam for the expected type of aircraft. I also assume that most of the cost of an EMAS is for R&D to get FAA approval and liability risk – the actual cost of the materials probably isn’t that high. Zodiac who was the original maker has left the business because they have already EMASed the most obvious candidiates and didn’t see a lot of future sales possibilities.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  184. Jack D says:
    @Curle

    There are various places in the world where “highway strips” have been built, most notably Switzerland:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_strip

    but the US is not one of them.

  185. @Achmed E. Newman

    …that thing must weigh a small fraction of a mile-long freight train.

    A mile long freight train would have approximately five engines, greatly increasing it’s stopping power. In an emergency stop, all of the braking wheels and the tracks would be destroyed, and there’s a significantly increased chance of a derail. Engineers are not so quick to slam on the brakes.

    All rail cars have a RFID. All rail crossings have a RFID reader. (so if you were thinking of trying to pocket one, forget it)

    I live in Wyoming, and five of the world’s ten largest coal mines are within a few hundred miles of me. Coal trains are a constant facet of life here. During Obama’s war on coal, the railroads used the downtime to completely redo all of their tracks in the area. It was pretty clear that they weren’t buying into the doom and gloom scenarios most people were projecting for coal. At the time, I worked at a quarry. Our main product was ballast for the railroad. We didn’t slow down on ballast until the Oroville Spillway failure when pretty much every quarry in the western U.S. switched to making rip rap (3-4 ft. boulders). I worked 117 hours one week during that fiasco.

    • Thanks: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  186. It’s not LA “commuter rail”. It’s government worker rail.

    Look at the system map. You’ll notice that the line runs from one civic center district to another. Those palatial, \$\$\$, union (pay scale) constructed stations in-between are just to gather bureaucrats, contractors, and grunt lawyers; and give bums a place to sleep.

    The accessible, deserted stations (“transit centers”), in their turn, act as nowhere destinations for those ridiculous, green energy’d, empty local buses to volley to-&-fro on surface streets (and block traffic flow thereupon). The drivers/janitors make \$100K/\$300K, w/ OT.

    The real commuters are mostly stopping .. and crawling, on crappy congested freeways and city boulevards. And paying high auto registration, gasoline, and sales taxes — some of which subsidizes crass transit — for their trouble.

  187. @Veteran Aryan

    Thanks for the interesting info, V.A., and no, I’m not planning on stealing a rail car.

    Got a question: What’s the longest train they make up there – I guess you’d call it a unit train – for the coal?

    BTW, most of what I know about trains is from reading with my boy and a little from a friend’s brother-in-law who is an engineer/brakeman. Of course, we have many here, mostly carrying containers, cars, plywood, with the usual hoppers and tankers.

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
  188. 36 ulster says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I read about that collision recently, which I believe involved one of two F-89 Scorpion fighters and a DC-7 on a test flight (pending delivery to an airline). The four men aboard the DC-7 and the pilot of the F-89 were killed; the radar operator parachuted to safety, albeit with injuries. There were several fatalities among the students at Pacoima High School due to falling wreckage from the airliner. I read that the collision was depicted in the movie La Bamba, though the aircraft shown were general aviation planes, one of which was a Beechcraft Bonanza, the type of aircraft on which Ritchie Valens, Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper–and the pilot–lost their lives.

  189. Jack D says:
    @David Davenport

    I was using “exponentially” in a colloquial sense, meaning “really fast”. Yes, it goes up quadratically or parabolically not exponentially.

    For example in a car, braking distance goes from 20 feet at 20 mph to 180 ft at 60 mph to 405 ft at 90 mph. Meaning that if you are going 90 and you see something in front of you that is less than a football field away it is already too late to stop. This is not counting reaction time which makes it even worse.

  190. @Alden

    It is a big mistake for conservatives to tether themselves to Adams. When he is indicted or completely neutered by corruption and assorted investigations, the radicals will claim this is what happens when you elect a reactionary law and order type. His successor will be a full-on communist abolitionist, like the Manhattan DA.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  191. Cato says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, it was a decent forced landing — not in a park full of people or a road full of cars, but on a rail track on which the pilot thought he could avoid hitting anyone. Not easy to do. He must have known that he would lose the plane. He probably hoped that he could get out in time. Thanks to the cops he did.

  192. CCZ says:

    Interesting video that uses an actual takeoff from the Whiteman Airport to analyze the actions of the pilot in landing on the railroad track. And, as for all of the police on the scene, the Foothills Police Station is 600 feet from the crash site. Geography Matters!!!!

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman, MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  193. Los Angeles is all planned out around the Pacific Electric as well as the Southern Pacific. You can go look at old Jack Benny Episodes about taking the train to Cucamonga or read books like Nathaniel Wests’s “Day of the Locust” to understand the transit-oriented interurban plan of Los Angeles. Unfortunately, the great streetcar heist occured (it was always money-losing as a way to profit of development), and nobody thought to throw some public money at it to subsidize the service until 1980 with the passage of Prop A.

    This crash occurred on the Pacoima, which is on the Lancaster line, which was laid down and has operated commuter service starting during the LINCOLN Administration.

    The railroad history of California is REALLY fascinating.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  194. @Cato

    Late at night when the much closer freeway is quieter, I can hear trains on that track blowing their whistles. I’d guess that if you landed on that track at a random moment, you’d have on average an hour to get out of the way of the next plane.

  195. @Cato

    No, he would not at all be worried about losing the plane at that point. However, were it a decent forced landing in most places, the airplane wouldn’t be hurt so much as to be totaled.

    On the tracks, as Steve just noted, there is normally plenty of time. If one were to land on freight train tracks (the majority of the track in the US) then it could be arranged to have the plane moved, and trains held up, with no problem, assuming you could do some type of decent landing on the tracks – not likely.

    Out in the country, where the freight trains go fast, well, you’ve got much better landing sites to choose anyway, unless you are over the mountains (where railroads and roads follow the rivers, so one might think about the river, if nothing else!)

  196. @Anon

    I think Steve did a write up about how the LAPD is much smaller per capita than the NYPD and so tended to go hard much quicker on perps than the NYPD since the lack of manpower could allow them to be outnumbered. Isn’t that the reputation? That LA cops are much more physically aggressive than NY?

    Reminds me of when I was caught in a left wing riot near College Station in 2017 or so, and the governor sent in 100 Texas Rangers. The size disparity between the rangers in their body armor and ten gallon hats and boots and the little antifa twerps in skate shoes and skinny jeans was striking. They didn’t look like members of the same species. The smallest Ranger there must have been 6’1″ and 180lb.

    Another more related Texas anecdote– a jet from NAS Kingsville went down on king ranch when I was there– and this happened often enough that the ranch had procedures for it. The pilots punched out but the jet ended up in a ravine and a bunch of the cowboys on the ranch literally pulled it out with horses since they couldn’t get a bulldozer down there. The photos were surreal, very anachronistic

  197. MEH 0910 says:
    @AndrewR

    https://www.tmz.com/2022/01/10/bob-saget-recently-had-covid-sick-before-death/

    https://www.tmz.com/2022/01/11/bob-saget-dead-dies-heart-attack-stroke-investigation/

  198. @Alden

    “Claimed White Supremacists are a danger to his honor the Mayor. And having commissioner brother in charge of his honor’s security would keep the mayor safe from the White Supremacists of New York City.”

    Worked great for JFK.

  199. @Reg Cæsar

    “And Peter Bogdanovich. He was the straight Rex Reed.”

    I never noticed that but yes, brilliant. I miss the 70s.

  200. @JMcG

    A similar situation arises in The Starfighters, a truly horrible movie made with AF cooperation to convince people that the Starfighter wasn’t, as it was known to pilots, “The Widowmaker” or “A Brick with Wings.” Since the purpose of the film is to calm everyone down, nothing of any excitement happens, including this scene: there’s no problem and everyone lands safely.

    19:33 here:

    In a kinda irony, the pilot is played by Bob “B-1” Dornan, future Congressman.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  201. @R.G. Camara

    “The only parts about this that aren’t Epstein-esque are the bizarre satanic rituals in the film, which have yet to be confirmed. But if we ever get pictures of Bill & Hillary wearing masks and cloaks in a circle of naked women conducting a Black Mass…and at this point, I believe it happens.”

    People ask today if this or that Dissident Right outfit is a psy-op or glowing with Feds, but “Satanism” or the “Occult” in general has been a Fed psy-op right from the start, from John Dee through Crowley and beyond. Mind control techniques + sexual blackmail, very handy for espionage or counter-intelligence work. Meanwhile, when cloaked in spooky “occult” trappings, the rubes either get fascinated with the tinsel (misdirection) or else the whole idea get dismissed as “kooky konspiracy shit”.

    Photos of that Rothschild party with everyone in Eyes Wide Shut masks and outfits was just another psy-op to keep the rubes busy. I guarantee you Bill Clinton wasn’t wearing a goat’s head and robes, just an old man lusting after young girls.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  202. @R.G. Camara

    The only parts about this that aren’t Epstein-esque are the bizarre satanic rituals in the film, which have yet to be confirmed.

    True, but apparently there was some kind of ‘temple’ on Epstein’s private island, I believe with tunnel networks, and I know I read that the temple has since been demolished, presumably as a way of hiding whatever function it served.

    And that’s a good point about Kubrick’s films often concerning esoteric knowledge or elite activities. Regarding 2001, Rob Ager/Collative Learning has some interesting videos on YouTube analyzing the film and pointing out hidden meanings that Kubrick seems to have deliberately encoded. For instance, he demonstrates that the whole monolith discovery on the moon is probably actually a hoax concocted by the authorities, presumably to ensure continued funding in the space program. Here’s one of them:

  203. JMcG says:
    @James J O'Meara

    Thanks- it was a Starfighter that collided with an XB-70 Valkyrie during a photo shoot. There was one survivor of that accident.

  204. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    It is a big mistake for conservatives to tether themselves to Adams.

    IIRC, Dinkins said all the right things. The problem was what he did. And whatever you might say about Dinkins, he was never a member of an avowedly black supremacist organization.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  205. Hibernian says:
    @PDXLibertarian

    …and has operated commuter service starting during the LINCOLN Administration.

    Color me skeptical.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  206. Jack D says:
    @Hibernian

    As you should be. The tracks have been there for a long time (not quite the Lincoln Administration) but the current service dates only to 1992:

    The line along the Santa Clara River and into Los Angeles was completed by Southern Pacific in 1876 as the first railway to connect the city to the national network. The last passenger trains operated over the line in 1971 followed by the final freight train in 1979.[3]

    In 1990 the Los Angeles County Transportation Commission, predecessor of Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority, purchased the right of way from Southern Pacific.[4] Control of the line was then transferred to the newly-formed Southern California Regional Rail Authority who prepared the route for commuter rail service. Passenger operations began on October 26, 1992 and was called the Santa Clarita Line at the time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antelope_Valley_Line

  207. @James J O'Meara

    but “Satanism” or the “Occult” in general has been a Fed psy-op right from the start John Dee through Crowley and beyond. Mind control techniques + sexual blackmail, very handy for espionage or counter-intelligence work.

    Disagree.

    When I was younger, I used to think all that S*tanism stuff was nonsense no one “serious” believed.

    Now that I’m older, I realize that its exactly the serious people who believe it the most.

    The Bilderberg “opening ceremonies” that Alex Jones infiltrated and recorded were eye opening. Not only had the group denied it ever existed, but the weirdness of it was as close to S*tanic as one could see. And take a gander at how every left-wing group needs some sort of formal ceremony to celebrate/call to order. These folks live for it, the weirder and more esoteric, the better.

    Remember, the thoroughly corrupt and worldly Roman Senate vehemently opposed Christianity to the last minute, becoming the last pagan holdout. If they had been truly worldly and non-believing, they would have easily shrugged at the beginning, converted, and then gone on sinning with their orgies and bribery. Or take how Julian the Apostate — a Roman Emperor who was very intelligent — tried to destroy Christianity and re-instate the pagan gods, and who had strong pagan beliefs.

    Epstein didn’t have a weird temple on his private island for show.

    The elites are some of the most fervent believers in the occult and s*x magic and S*tanism. Don’t be fooled.

  208. @Alden

    Orlando Florida? Thank you. I assumed Orlando Ca. Many news articles don’t name the state.

    First of all, there is no Orlando CA. Closest thing would be Orland, which is well north of Sacramento.

    Second, even if there is another Orlando somewhere, the one in Florida is famous enough (for Disney World and other attractions) that any news account will assume they don’t need to name the state. Like if they say Paris–there are towns by that name in Maine, Texas, and some other states, but if they don’t specify, you can assume they mean the one in France.

  209. @Johann Ricke

    Dinkens’ most effective maneuver as Mayor was getting the FAA to alter takeoff procedures at LaGuardia during the US Open. So no, not a black supremacist.

  210. 36 ulster says:
    @Hannah Katz

    Are you referring to Austin’s transit system ten years down the line, or to an influx of more Skinny Jeans Gerbils, H1B division? I liked taking Austin’s commuter train from the downtown 4th Street station to Leander and back, but I believe its impact has been negligible. You certainly get to tour several neighborhoods on the way to Leander, some of whom I’m familiar with from my postman days. But the ex-Southern Pacific/Cotton Belt line runs rather indirectly, and it isn’t close to many of the megamalls on the outskirts; shoppers usually prefer direct transit connections and aren’t keen to transfer to buses. Austin has invested much time and money on express and articulated buses, without squandering zillions (so far) on “light rail.” I’ll admit that I need to bet updated on Capital Metro, as I haven’t been able to visit Austin for over a year.

    a

  211. 36 ulster says:
    @reactionry

    I believe the Tigris and Euphrates ran more thoroughly red than did the Tiber.

  212. CCZ says:

    Commuter trains, freight trains, and train robbers too!!!!

  213. @Achmed E. Newman

    What’s the longest train they make up there – I guess you’d call it a unit train – for the coal?

    There’s an expression, “100 car train.” Coal is pretty heavy, so they’re generally only about a mile long, which is around a hundred cars. I have seen trains up to two miles long though, loaded with freight where volume, not weight, is the limiting factor.
    At a coal fired power plant not far from here, they roll cars in one at a time and a machine picks the entire car up, turns it upside down, and dumps the coal out. That’s a pretty impressive machine. Unfortunately, this creates a lot of coal dust and the building has caught fire several times.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  214. @Veteran Aryan

    Thanks, V.A. That’s about 52 ft each then, for car and coupling. Yes, I’ve heard* about the new method of upending whole cars rather than just using the hopper capability. Unfortunately, I’ve never gotten to see that.

    .

    *I think was from the brakeman guy I know.

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