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From the L.A. Times:

Mystery parent paid $6.5 million to get kids into top universities as part of admissions scandal
MAR 24, 2019 | 9:40 AM

… Of the many outrageous allegations revealed by federal prosecutors in the college cheating scandal, one stands out.

Someone paid $6.5 million to get his or her children into elite schools. But the identity of that parent — and details about which schools were involved — remains a mystery nearly two weeks after authorities in Boston filed the charges against dozens of wealthy individuals.

The lack of information about the money is more notable given that the charges go into intense detail about the alleged actions of other parents, who are accused of bribing and cheating to get their kids into schools such as Yale, USC and UCLA.

Prosecutors have mentioned the $6.5 million in payments at a news conference and in court. But they are not included in the hundreds of pages detailing the charges. …

The payment is more sign that there is still much more to come in the case that has rocked American universities and placed a harsh spotlight on the college admissions process. …

More than 750 parents used Singer’s services, according to prosecutors. While 33 have been charged, prosecutors have sent subpoenas to high schools in Southern California with names of students whose parents have not been charged, suggesting that authorities are preparing to expand the number of prosecutions, according to sources who have seen the documents.

Singer’s office is in Newport Beach, CA, the center for rich white Protestants in SoCal.

$6.5 million is a lot of money. Why do people spend this much? Presumably, one of Rick Springer’s con artist skills is conning parents into overpaying him when they could just pay the money directly to Yale or wherever and get their name on a minor building as well.

For example, NWA rapper Dr. Dre donated $70 million to USC to establish the Jimmy Iovine and Andre Young Academy of the Arts, Technology, and the Business of Innovation.

So when his daughter was unsurprisingly accepted to USC, Dr. Dre posted on social media:

“My daughter got accepted into USC all on her own. No jail time!!!”

People are giving him a hard time about this, but Dre has a point: he played by the rules by giving his money directly to USC, so no jail time for him.

Perhaps rich people buy their kids into Yale to win long-running arguments with their parents over their choice of spouses: “You said I shouldn’t marry that handsome hockey player, Daddy, because we’d have dumb kids, but, look, our Madison got into Yale!”

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  1. bomag says:

    So… people who don’t belong somewhere pay “coyotes” to get them and theirs across a “border” to cheat someone out of a heritage.

    Been there; seen that; got the t-shirt.

    • Agree: Coemgen, Kylie
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Hypnotoad666
  2. Anon[109] • Disclaimer says:

    Robert Mueller.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @guest
    , @AnotherDad
    , @Anonymous
  3. Anon[315] • Disclaimer says:

    It could be any number of people, but the fact that it’s being kept very quiet makes me suspect it’s Obama. His daughters don’t strike me as intellectuals, and they’ve never shown any interest in academics. I bet their test scores were mediocre.

  4. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Couldn’t you, like , buy a college for $6,500,000?

    Or just start a new one?

    It could be a for-profit school or get with some religious organization and put them in the college business. I had the chance to go to Ambassador College in Pasadena, a dubious but then fuilly accredited outfit run by the Armstrongite church. If I’d realized how great the weather was therer i would have.

    Remember, the Orthodox Christians aren’t a real religion because they don’t even have a football team. Some sect of them would probably love to be running a college. And with a college comes ……football!

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  5. jon says:

    With that kind of money, can’t you just go the legal bribery route — naming rights for a building, an endowed chair, etc.

    Also, if you have enough clout to keep your name out of the headlines, how do you not have enough clout to get your kid into a good school in the first place?

    • Replies: @res
    , @Buffalo Joe
  6. …authorities in Boston filed the charges against dozens of wealthy individuals.

    Boston? Wealthy?

    Does this mean the prosecutors will cross paths with the Orchids of Asia Day Spa investigators?

    Orchids of Asia Day Spa – CLOSED

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    , @danand
    , @Lugash
  7. jon says:

    suspect it’s Obama

    That would be hilarious, if true, but I feel like Harvard would just give a free-pass to any Obama kid that wanted to attend. She was probably recruited like a top athletic prospect at many of these schools.

    On the topic of former President’s kids, apparently John Kennedy, Jr. was dumb as dirt. I always just assumed they let him through based on his name, but maybe his mom used some of that Onassis money to get him in.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    , @guest
  8. @bomag

    Been there; seen that; got the t-shirt.

    But do you have the thong?

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  9. Thomm says:

    Two points :

    i) It is absurd that USC and UCLA are being lumped into the same bracket as Stanford, Harvard, and Yale. Almost no one who goes to USC or UCLA got into the latter group.

    ii) How on earth can someone pay $6.5M for this? There are very few people for whom going to an ‘elite’ school (particularly if the school in question is outside the Top 5, as per my point above) will generate over $6.5M relative to what they would have gotten by going where they could actually get in fair and square. Their parents, intelligence, and connections are the same, so going to a #3 vs. a #25 is unlikely to command a premium of anything close to $6.5M over a lifetime, at NPV. Doubly true if the student is female.

  10. jon says:

    It is absurd that USC and UCLA are being lumped into the same bracket as Stanford, Harvard, and Yale. Almost no one who goes to USC or UCLA got into the latter group.

    I was pretty shocked to see that people were playing these games with USC. That place really had a bad rep when I was younger. They either really turned things around, or the whole college admissions game has really gone crazy.

    How on earth can someone pay $6.5M for this? Doubly true if the student is female.

    I think it’s more about keeping your kids (especially daughters) in that elite bubble, lest they go to a state school and get knocked up by one of the riff raff.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Thea
    , @Daniel H
  11. Well, at least we know it cannot be anyone Jewish or Asian. Way too smart to throw that kind of money around. Unless maybe buying a newspaper in the first case, or trying to impress women in the second.

    If Hinckley shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster, did Bezos buy the Washington Post to impress what’s her name?

  12. @Thomm

    Your first point is valid, but your second assumes everyone does it for the money.

  13. Fredrik says:

    Maybe you got it wrong. It’s could be especially valuable to send your daughter to the better school.

    It all depends on where the young men with the most money ahead of them are going.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  14. Anon[109] • Disclaimer says:

    USC has come a long way. The average SAT score for an entering freshman is now over 1400. USC offers very well regarded programs in computer science, medicine, law, and engineering. At least in California, it’s seen as a lesser Ivy.

    Very different from the party school reputation it had back in the 80s.

    Lori Loughlin’s daughter found the atmosphere alienating because it didn’t match what she perceived USC would be like. She probably would’ve been much happier at ASU.

    The old USC is long gone, but a lot of people don’t yet realize that.

  15. @wren

    Dr. Dre did it the legal way: you get your name put on a building and then USC accepts your daughter.

  16. @Thomm

    Almost no one who goes to USC or UCLA got into the latter group.

    ii) How on earth can someone pay $6.5M for this?

    It might be worth it for one of the film schools. You almost never hear of major filmmakers emanating from the flyover film schools of Montana State and Southern Illinois.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @LondonBob
  17. @Steve Sailer

    …you get your name put on a building and then USC accepts your daughter.

    Who knew? Graffiti works!

    • LOL: MEH 0910
  18. Anon[455] • Disclaimer says:

    Wouldn’t a donation of $6.5 directly to the university be easier? It would have gotten you on Harvard’s Dean’s Interest List and the Director’s list, which according to the discovery in the current lawsuit, gets you a 42 percent chance of getting in.

    Or more strategically, a $3 million unrestricted gift and an expression of a possible future matching gift for some project, with admissions decisions timed to fall right between the two.

    Maybe the $6.5 million was to get a clearly unqualified student into a top school. That would require faking test results, faking high school grades. faking extraciruculars, maybe bribing people both at the high school and at the college, as well as a test proctor. Maybe the doofus student took the SAT cold gthe first time and got a terrible score that would make the cheated score look fishy; that would require bribing someone internal at ETS, maybe an IT guy with admin status.

    Why did the feds only bring part of the cases they have? By putting some showbiz types through a perp walk and a short jail stay, maybe they can motivate some hesitant stoolies?

    I read that Singer is cooperating, in which case, why would any more witnesses be needed?

    I’d love to know the tradecraft behind the recruiting of test proctors. I wonder how similar it is to the CIA’s techniques for recruiting HUMINT assets. I expect anyone working as an SAT proctor probably needs money, so that part is simple.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Thinker
  19. @Anon

    Probably not. The Obama daughters would be shoe-ins wherever they wanted to go.

    Steve, what’s interesting about this allegation, if true, is that the amount paid is close to the “institutional advancement” number that can get reasonably qualified kids into the Ivy League. So why the middleman? Maybe it was a lot of kids, maybe the kid was egregiously under-qualified, or maybe this is being overblown.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Lurker
  20. @Anon

    USC has come a long way… USC offers very well regarded programs in computer science, medicine, law, and engineering.

    You mean they used the football money to improve the school? I heard Notre Dame did that, but thought they were a one-off.

    • Replies: @M. Hartley
  21. Anon[109] • Disclaimer says:

    USC has really turned things around over the last 25 years. The place is now full of grinds, nerds, and foreigners.

    Same is also true of UCSD and UCSB.

    The party school reputation is mostly gone by now.

    • Replies: @GU
  22. Anon[455] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It might be worth it for one of the film schools. You almost never hear of major filmmakers emanating from the flyover film schools of Montana State and Southern Illinois.

    I think you can break in if you are a talented writer, you move to Los Angeles, you are willing to work in a grunt job picking up the laundry for someone in the business for five years, and you have an extremely pleasant personality. That’s the impression I get from John August’s Scriptnotes podcast.

    They don’t make so many movies these days from completely original scripts (everything being an adaptation of a comic book or novel), but a couple of great original spec scripts can get you a job writing on one of these adaptation projects. And I think it’s still “O.K. to be White® and male” on that kind of behind-the-scenes job, for a few years at least, until inclusion riders get some real teeth in them.

  23. Thomm says:

    It all depends on where the young men with the most money ahead of them are going.


    You are assuming that the typical college girl, particularly from a rich family, is engaged by age 22.

    Instead, slutting it up for a decade after that and then demanding a husband at age 32 and 20+ prior sexual partners is the norm. Go read Heartiste.

    Anyone who still thinks college (age 18-22) is were people find their spouse doesn’t realize it is now 2019, not 1965.

    • Agree: L Woods
  24. @Anonymous

    And a chance to show Orthodox is the True Church by crushing the pretenders at Notre Dame!

    • Replies: @sayless
  25. @Steve Sailer

    And she is a Doctor’s kid.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  26. utu says:

    Dr. Dre made $70 MILLION donation to USC and has a building named after him at the campus he boasted his daughter got into ‘all on her own’ in the wake of admission scandal

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  27. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    USC has improved academically more recently. But more importantly, it’s a rich kids school, and lots of kids of minor celebrities and the like go there. So if you want to network with that crowd, you might want to go there.


    The NYT decided it’s finally safe to show Stuyvesant’s asian students.

  29. @Reg Cæsar

    USC has come a long way

    Makes sense. USC had a long way to go.

  30. AnonAnon says:

    It is absurd that USC and UCLA are being lumped into the same bracket as Stanford, Harvard, and Yale. Almost no one who goes to USC or UCLA got into the latter group.

    The Ivy Leagues are stingy if you’re middle/lower-upper middle class – Not S, H, or Y but one of the students we talked to at the UCLA open house told us she turned down Princeton for UCLA.

    I have a friend whose daughter is turning down Cal Tech for either Berkeley, UCLA, or UCSD – she hasn’t chosen yet – because, among other reasons, they aren’t giving her any money. She also applied to Yale and Dartmouth – those come out this week – (also Stanford) but her parents won’t send her unless she gets significant aid, which is unlikely. It’s not worth it to them to significantly deplete their savings for an undergrad degree for one child.

    I’m not sure why anyone would go to U$C if you also got into UCLA or Berkeley, new higher rankings be damned, unless you can easily shell out $70K a year and not miss it. I guess if you’re wealthy and want your kids to hobnob with other wealthy kids – the Loughlin girl was roommates with Joe Buck’s daughter, which I’m sure was not a random matchup – but if you’re an ordinary middle class don’t go in thinking you’ll come out best buddies with the billionaire kids. It doesn’t work that way.

  31. @jon

    Nah. You wouldnt harbor some jealousy for that poor guy,would you? A guy with an International Vagina Pass? So maybe “torts” was not as interesting as “tits?”

  32. @Reg Cæsar

    Puts me in mind of the panties supposedly popular with Chinese girls: CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT.

  33. @Anon

    “His daughters don’t strike me as intellectuals…” DUH!!!!!!

    • Replies: @guest
  34. @Reg Cæsar

    BTW,Gronk has retired. Just throwing that in.

  35. Anon[538] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    When I first heard of this case, the first thing that occurred to me what what laws had they broken? Looking through the charging document, most of the elements are bribery. That’s sleazy, but is it illegal, between two consenting adults in private business? Same for submitting false records. For instance, if I go to a theater and offer $1,000 if they will displace some paying customer with me, is that illegal? It seems like possibly a breach of contract between the prior customer and the theater (not a crime) and no legal problem for me, unless the prior customers digs up some obscure tort to sue me on (likewise not a crime), like interference with business relations. Conspiracy in itself is not a crime: it’s a bonus charge on top of the crimes you conspired to break.

    I’d like an informed explanation of why these are crimes. I don’t doubt that they are, but I’d like to know if they are crime-crimes, things that in themselves have been explicitly outlawed, or just those fake “federal three-a-day” crimes, like lying to a federal officer, money laundering, structuring, no foreign agent registration (for K-Street types), recording phone conversations, various inadvertent tax goofs, and so on.

    If you look at it from a who is the victim point of view, there would only be a tort cause of action between some rejected student and the cheating student, I’d think.

    I wonder if the crimes piggyback on federal aid to universities: whether there is a sort of “morals clause” when you take any federal money.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Thinker
  36. @Anon

    My guess is that part of Rick Singer’s con is conning parents into overpaying him.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  37. @Thomm

    Talk about absurd: How did Pepperdine not make the list?

  38. @Anon

    ASU … one of Heather Nauert’s alma maters … just sayin’.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  39. guest says:

    If a kid could recoup that much scratch in a reasonable amount of time, it has no business being in college. They’d be better off pulling a Zuck or a Gates.

    Unless they’re gonna need a degree for something specific like becoming a Supreme Court Justice. But in that case they should be smart enough to get in cheaper.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  40. guest says:

    The intellectual curiosity and/or test scores of the Sisters Obama are irrelevant. In addition to being legacies they’re (mostly) black and female and you may have heard their parents are politically connected.

  41. guest says:
    @Father O'Hara

    He is intellectual, in the teaching agitprop to young radicals sort of way. Also, Ape Poetry. Some of that could have been passed on. Enough for Harvard? Not if it were me applying, but whaddya-whaddya.

  42. @guest

    Maybe rich people buy their kids into Yale to win long-running arguments with their parents over their choice of spouses: “You said I shouldn’t marry that handsome hockey player, Daddy, because we’d have dumb kids, but, look, our Madison got into Yale!”

  43. guest says:

    The estate of Jackie O. was smaller than people expected at the time of her death. Gigantic by my standards, but less so for the widow of a president and the Richest Man in the World (the name of a Raul Julia t.v. movie in which he portrayed Aristotle).

    • Replies: @Flip
    , @Father O'Hara
  44. Bill P says:

    Thomm, you are essentially correct, but I’m not sure you realize how utterly debased our upper class is today. The upper class parents pretty much expect their daughters to slut it up for years, but they simply want to make sure that they don’t get pregnant by the “wrong guy.”

    There is always the abortion option, but there’s no guarantee she’ll go through with it. Better she gets knocked up by a cad with a trust fund, or better yet she doesn’t get pregnant until she’s wised up and married some rich guy in the proper social circle, which she learned to be a part of in college.

    If you put her in with the guys with yachts and mansions and luxury cars, she’ll (hopefully) never want to settle for anything less.

    It’s because these people know that sluttiness is the norm that they shell out the big bucks to keep their daughters around other rich people.

  45. @Thomm

    You are assuming that the typical college girl, particularly from a rich family, is engaged by age 22. Instead, slutting it up for a decade after that and then demanding a husband at age 32 and 20+ prior sexual partners is the norm. Go read Heartiste.

    My daughter found her spouse at college and married at age 24. So too, her friends. All of them now, 28, 29 with two kids or more, married to their college sweethearts. None of their parents are rich in the Hollywood sense, but all are comfortably retired and quite content with things.

    I think college romance and marriage happens more than you think. Heartiste and Roosh and the fat guy that ‘allegedly’ raped his assistant, Matt Fournier, Roosh’s friend, all those guys, they’re outliers. Fringe psychos, they pretend to be playahs, they say you have to have game to get laid, they have lots of game all those guys. What these gents are is ugly, rejected and the ‘game’ and their websites are their coping strategy. Heartiste makes interesting political statements, but he’s a pissed off guy. Inability to find a good woman must have done it. It isn’t hard to find a nice chick. 95% of us have been doing it our entire lives. You do yourselves a disservice following the likes of a Heartiste or a Roosh too closely.

  46. @Steve Sailer

    $6.5 Million. Jesus H. Christ, if your kid isn’t college material, set up a trust and pay them $200,000 a year to manage it. They can have an office, a desk, a phone, a company car and health care. Give them a title. It’s what they go to college for, all that, right? So give it to them and be done with it. It was a basic rule, you are College Material, or you are not. And they identified each of us, probably by the 6th grade.

    Why the charade of college with these people and their kids? I do NOT understand this. Just set them up with an upper class income. It’s the kind of wealth that never goes away. And now that they’re caught up in all this chicanery and finally identified as “Not College Material”, they’re ruined, too. It isn’t like their dopey, depraved children are going to get into USC or Yale, or Harvard and suddenly catch fire and cure cancer. WHY the charade?

  47. JimB says:

    Presumably, one of Rick Springer’s con artist skills is conning parents into overpaying him when they could just pay the money directly to Yale or wherever and get their name on a minor building as well.

    In 1978, the Harvard department of undergraduate admissions advised John John Kennedy not to apply to Harvard because of his weak high school academic record, despite the family name on the Harvard Kennedy School. The Harvard Board of Overseers didn’t want him to suffer the embarrassment of a rejection. So he attended Brown, instead. I never understood how John John was acceptable to Brown but not to Harvard.

  48. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer

    My guess is that part of Rick Singer’s con is conning parents into overpaying him.

    And my guess is that this 6.5 million went into a new building at University X. The parents had more confidence in Rick Singer paying direct into the university, than bribing a soccer coach. The parents went through Rick Singer to pay directly to Uni to get their kid into University X, because they did not know the ropes. Parents could have been Chinese or Saudi. Russian?

    • Agree: Jack D
  49. They had to pay through the nose because their kids weren’t “influencers” on YouTube. That’s the ultimate profession, after all.

    There is no higher calling in life than getting people to buy mass-produced trinkets and cosmetics that are also being bought by everyone else. Slavery to the corporate gods while looking stylish! In other words, the very definition of modern life for most of us.

    • Agree: Federalist, Cortes
  50. @Moral Stone

    Probably not. The Obama daughters would be shoe-ins wherever they wanted to go.

    The oldest of the Obama daughters, Malika, or whatever, remained on the Vineyard a couple of years back after her parents went back to DC (the Obamas used to vacation there every year). So her senior year of high school, at some beach club out there, she got caught twerking her fat ass, smoking dope and drinking, her father had to have a ‘talk’ with her (and probably gave the Secret Service agents hell for letting it get to film). She took a year off after ‘graduation’ from Sidwell Friends, headed out to ski, then to Hawaii (she and Moochelle took full advantage of government air travel), back up here to the Vineyard for a ‘summer job’ at a restaurant for three hours a day and then right back out to the party circuit.

    I believe she’s at Harvard for a year now, maybe two. Walked right in after a very serious year off. I’m sure she is a very serious student, writing important, serious papers and is worth every penny spent and of course, the seat she took from someone else. No further instances of twirking or smoking dope in marijuana-legal Massachusetts have emerged. Harvard security may be better than the Secret Service at protecting their charges from undue publicity.

    • Replies: @Ed
  51. @JimB

    I do not know, whether this applied to brown in the 70ies, but for a time brown was quite popular with kids with weak math/science grades. In contrast to the other good colleges at that time you could choose your curriculum completely free and therefore skip every hard subject.

    • Replies: @JimB
  52. @Clyde

    If the university, Rick singer and the parents were smart enough to not write down that the kid got in because of the donation, this is even legal. Maybe that is why the name of the parents has not been published.

  53. The things some parents will do for their children or vicariously form themselves . . . knows no bounds . . .

  54. @utu

    What’s really disturbing about that is that Dr. Dre is so wealthy he can give $70 million to anybody!
    Whether it’s from his hip hop records or those overpriced crap headphones that blacks buy, him being that rich is a bad sign.

    • Replies: @tr
  55. L Woods says:

    This talk of college and “spouses” isn’t even boomer — it’s pre-boomer.

  56. LondonBob says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    A Russian Jewish guy I knew has moved to LA to go to the USC film school, something tells me it will work out for him regardless.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  57. Flip says:

    Well, JFK’s family money was in trust and his father was still alive, so he probably didn’t have much Kennedy money to leave her, and Onassis probably wasn’t a fool.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  58. Flip says:

    I never understood how John John was acceptable to Brown but not to Harvard.

    I remember reading that a former president of Brown had a strategy of celebrity collecting.

  59. Tiny Duck says:

    How much hate do you have in your heart?

    • Replies: @interesting
    , @MEH 0910
  60. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    For those bewildered by the massive reported payment:

    1. Perhaps things are now so corrupt and, thus, cynical that someone wanted to outshine those who took the “in$titutional advancement, name the building” approach.

    2. Whatever the tactics, the taproot cause of this is the lust for excluding others that coincides with the fear of being excluded.

    3. Read C. S. Lewis’s “The Inner Ring” — annually. Written as a commencement address, by the way.

  61. @Clyde

    Good insight. That would also explain why they haven’t yet been named: problems with jurisdiction and extradition.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Bill Jones
  62. Thea says:

    The university of Texas was also on the list. The mind boggles.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. @JimB

    John John’s attending Brown contributed to a real vogue for Brown in the 1980s and ’90s:

    • Replies: @Carol
  64. Ibound1 says:

    The parents take a tax deduction for these “gifts” to the schools, so that their kids get in?

    So then it’s not just the parents who pay for their kids to get in. We pay.

    Nice to subsidize 40% of the “admission fee” for a billionaire.

  65. Jack D says:

    If the University does it, it’s not a crime. But if the university employees are freelancing and pocketing the proceeds, it is. It’s the difference between Best Buy selling you a TV out the front door and a warehouse clerk selling you the same TV out the “side door” – it’s not his to sell. And yes if you work in the box office of a theater and are scalping tickets that’s a crime too – you are selling something that doesn’t belong to you. If you put the money in the till, it’s not a crime (you are just selling “premium tickets”) but if you pocket it, it is.

    This is why Dr. DRE is not going to jail despite having bought a seat – he bought it at the box office, fair and square.

    Looking through the charging document, most of the elements are bribery. That’s sleazy, but is it illegal, between two consenting adults in private business?

    Yes – say you are a buyer for a dept. store and the vendor offers you $50K cash if you put in a big order for your employer. Crime. Vendor offers Wal-Mart $50K discount for itself – no crime.

  66. Jack D says:

    It’s possible that the $6.5 million donor was not charged because in this case Singer facilitated a legitimate donation directly to the University, which is not a crime. That would also explain why the number was so big (that and Singer probably inflated the price and pocketed some of it as a “commission”). If you recall, Singer was kind of a one-stop admissions service – he would help your kid get in in many different ways, most of them legal but some not.

    It’s also notable that Singer came to the Fed’s attention only because the black soccer coach started free-lancing and soliciting bribes on his own. One of the guys he solicited was already under investigation for security fraud and ratted him out in exchange for lenient treatment from the Feds. The black soccer coach then ratted Singer out. Singer then wore a wire and recorded some of his customers for the Feds. No honor among thieves.

  67. Jack D says:
    @Percy Gryce

    If they paid the University then no crime was committed.

  68. ic1000 says:

    > The parents [paying $6.5 million] went through Rick Singer to pay directly to Uni to get their kid into University X, because they did not know the ropes. Parents could have been Chinese or Saudi. Russian?

    Yes, good insight, and per Jack D’s 12:39 pm comment supra, likely not a crime. Thus, not named in the indictment. On an earlier thread, an iSteve commenter brought up the acronym HENRY (High Earner, Not Rich Yet). And thus not yet wise in the ways of the Top Out Of Sight wealthy.

    [Edit: covered by Jack D at 1:00 pm. I should write faster or shaddup.]

  69. gate666 says:

    you are wrong as usual.

  70. Barnard says:

    USC press release credit Dr. Dre and Jimmy Iovine. I wonder how much money Dre kicked in personally. It would surprise me that he had $70 million to give away.

  71. @The Alarmist

    ASU … one of Heather Nauert’s alma maters … just sayin’.

    Heather Nauert is proof that God loves the German people and he wants a mild-mannered and level-headed Euro Mongrel such as myself to rule over them, benevolently. I also have Colonial America era German ancestry, so any uppity Kraut who complains about my overlordship over the Krauts shall have his beer taken away from him and told to shut up, nicely.

    Let me remind you Unz Review mugs that Tulsi Gabbard has German ancestry too, and she shares the delightful and shapely athletic build of Heather Nauert.

    Heather Nauert drinks beer, unlike the half Kraut drinkwater dope in the White House who had the decency to admit that he would run amok if his lips touched a drop of booze or beer or wine.

    Drinkwater dope Trumpy pushes nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens.

    My Heather Nauert description from November, 2018:

    Heather Nauert is built like a brick ale house with wonderful curves and a strong, solid womanly frame. She is almost 50, but she could wear a bikini with the best of them. Heather Nauert’s body is damn nice.

    Nauert has wide-set eyes and beautiful cheekbones and she has a lovely chin that many good looking Kraut women seem to have. I bet she has her own original nose, too.

    Heather Nauert Seems To Be A Hot German Sweety From The Great Lakes States

    Heather Nauert beautifully imbibing delicious beer:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  72. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Some cross pollination with UCLA. Particularly Stanford which favors west coast and bay area specifically by tradition.

  73. Lurker says:
    @Moral Stone

    Maybe they just don’t know?

    The UK dropped foreign exchange controls under Thatcher. Years later I read about some fraudster conning people by offering to shift money out of the country without paying tax.

    In other words paying him to do something they were already entitled to do legally and for free.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hail
  74. @Percy Gryce

    If the parents were Russian or Chinese we’d never hear the last of it.

    And the deal would have been consummated at a Trump golf club.

  75. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    To be fair to Dre, despite @ Isteve’s attempt to destroy his street cred, he did do an 8 month stretch in jail back in the early 90’s. Smackin around his hoz, dui’s, flight from law enfocement type hood beefs.

  76. @Jack D

    Thanks for the explanation of these crimes, which I know you’ve explained before in other threads. Can you say specifically which actions are which crimes?

    I.e., is pocketing the premium = bribery or money laundering or interference with a contract or criminal conspiracy or some combination or something else?

    Also, I’ve noticed that rejected students are now suing involved schools as a class action (seems reasonable) and alumni are suing as a class for diminished reputation or something (seems less clear cut, but still plausible). Does having accepted federal money compound their liability? I’d be interested to know your opinion of their theories and prospects.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @bomag
  77. Altai says:

    I assume it’d have to be Harvard, given the notable Harvard mafia in investment banking and the like. That or whomever it was had so much money they’d be willing to part with it so their child could go to the same school as their friends?

  78. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    In the realm of academia, UK is purely exam results for University qualification. No racial preferences for non whites nor “wholistic” scams.

    Of course the preparatory schools, which groom for the exams, are completely independent of that.


    Michael Tracey politely asking Tulsi Gabbard a question on the campaign trail in New Hampshire.

    Tracey lets his integrity and level-headed reporting speak for themselves, he don’t get dressed up in any fancy pants way to try to impress.

    It’s easier to get people in New Hampshire to talk to you about politics and candidates if you’re dressed like Tracey.

    Trump ought to know that Tracey ain’t a fan of his, but Michael Tracey was highly skeptical of all this Russia — Russia — Russia crud coming out of the Democrat Party and the DEEP STATE and the corrupt and disgusting corporate propaganda media.

  80. @JimB

    Brown is not very discriminating academically. It is, however, very discriminating socially, based on a 1970s left-liberal social view. So JJ was a perfect fit there.

    My impression is that since JJ’s time, Harvard has moved somewhat in Brown’s direction (notice how many imbecilic young journalists are Harvardians) while Brown has moved somewhat more Harvard’s way, not because of any commitment to academics, but just because the overheated credential market allows them to be more choosy. It may be connected to Harvard skewing more Jewish and Brown skewing more WASP and honorary-WASP (E.g., Kennedy).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  81. @James Speaks

    That would indeed be rich! An iSteve twofer.

    But I don’t think he has any college age kids.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  82. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Less Asians.


    Has the ruling class of the American Empire conspired and colluded with the ruling class of Israel to put the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States?

  84. Jack D says:
    @Almost Missouri

    The crime is called “honest services fraud”. The theory is that you are stealing from your employer who is entitled to you doing your job honestly and picking kids for your employer’s team based on their talent. It’s not just plain theft like the Best Buy employee because what you are selling is not a physical object like a TV.

    The late Justice Scalia thought that this crime was a more than a little hokey in that you wouldn’t always know that you were breaking the law until some Federal prosecutor decided to charge you. It is indeed one of those “three felonies a day” type crimes that the Feds get you on when you come into their crosshairs.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Marty
  85. “You said I shouldn’t marry that handsome hockey player, Daddy, because we’d have dumb kids, but, look, our Madison got into Yale!”

    Except that athletes don’t send their kids to Ivies. The kids end up going to NCAA sports oriented schools. Coupled that NHLers often don’t go to college anyway, as they can start minor leagues ca.16-18. I mean, with the influx of Eastern Europeans in the NHL, its not like going to college is a major thing for them, much less for their children, anyway.

    More likely the scenario would run along these lines:

    “You said I shouldn’t marry Bernie, since he only went to an NCAA party school, and thus our kids would end up going to a less than stellar blue chip school. But see? Our LeForce ended up going to Yale, thus continuing the legacy of each generation ending up at an Ivy/blue chip university!”

    After all, it’s rare for offspring of athletes to end up attending Ivies. Only prominent exception that proves the rule that comes to mind is PIT head coach Bill Cowher’s one daughter, she played basketball and ended up at Princeton. That was different, however, because she got in on a basketball scholarship and actually played basketball at Princeton. There’s no evidence that Cowher paid to get his daughter into Princeton. She could just as easily have played basketball at an NCAA school but got a basketball scholarship to Princeton.

    And she married a NHLer. But its unlikely that their (male) offspring will attend Ivies, if they’re sp0rts oriented, as most athletes don’t give a rip about the Ivies/blue chips (especially as Ivies don’t increase chances of playing pro sports). NBA/NFL scouts don’t really recruit from Ivies/High End blue chips (Duke; Stanford; Rice; Michigan being notable exceptions, but rare for Ivies to go to the pros).

  86. danand says:
    @Reg Cæsar


    The is a joke right? Come on, reporter Merris Badcock covering the Jupiter Spa Bust story. How did you generate that video?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  87. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:


    Remember when Charles Murray went to Middlebury to speak on Coming Apart, but the radical faculty wanted to deplatform him for The Bell Curve” A professor was sent to the hospital, the elderly Murray was terrorized, and ultimately the Sam Harris podcast happened, in response to which the Vox piece by Turkheimer, et al., came out (“IQ gap only 2/3 standard deviation, Murray lies saying it’s a full SD!”), which was my first introduction to HBD (“Wait, what? Vox says there’s a clear IQ gap? What? Seriously? I need to do some Googling.”).

    Two years later the campus newspaper this week published an article which, if it is to be believed, reveals that the slap-on-the-wrist discipline of the protesting students in fact genuinely traumatized most of them. What to us seems like a slap on the wrist to the snowflakes is perceived as a living hell. In particular there was outside criticism of the delayed discipline. This turns out to be due to the time taken to finish the forensics on a large amount of video and photographic evidence. And the wait was unbearable to the “defendants,” who could hardly think straight for months on end, or so the article would have us believe.

    The students who were disciplined had refused all interviews up till now. Some have graduated.

    Apparently the students felt shunned by much of the student body, who resented the hit to Middlebury’s image caused by the protest. They also felt that the adminstration didn’t want to have anything to do with them and considered them thugs.

    Students avoided any protests or walkouts because they were on probation, and who knows, the Antifa might show up (tinyest violin).

    In general, they all seem pretty bitter about the experience.

    One disciplined student literally seems to have majored in dance therapy. I thought that that was a joke, like “basket weaving” was in my day, but Middlebury has it.

    Meanwhile, elsewhere on campus, students are taking their dorm food out of the dorm and just trashing the dishes and silverware:

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  88. @Anon

    Obama’s daughters don’t need to bribe Harvard, they get in by being legacy entrants.

  89. Lugash says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Only if they’re associated with Donald Trump.

  90. @Bill P

    I was under the impression that college-age assortative mating was still going pretty strong among the upper class.

    Or it’s not, and upper class parents are worried about their attractive, not terribly intelligent daughters being adrift in the mean old world without any credentials.

    • Replies: @Lot
  91. @Father O'Hara

    Oh, so now we should expect that one day Gronk (whenever he gets married and has kids) will someday spend millions to get his kids into Harvard/other Ivies?


  92. @Almost Missouri

    I.e., is pocketing the premium = bribery or money laundering or interference with a contract or criminal conspiracy or some combination or something else?

    There was a case a few decades ago, in the Tax Court or Supreme Court, I forget which, that ruled that an Ohio man could indeed write off the kickbacks he paid out as a business expense, as they were not prohibited in his state at the time.

  93. The best American College is the South Harmon Institute of Technology (SHIT).

    Change my mind!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  94. BB753 says:

    This “mistery parent” must be a very rich moron. Not worth the investment.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  95. @Thomm

    The best are still snapped up around then (part of what makes them the best). Young men take a (surmountable) hit with women for not managing to do so.

    Then, as with all secondary markets, you’re not dealing with premium goods, although there are still some diamonds to be found. I (belatedly) did.

    • Replies: @Precious
    , @Anonymous
    , @L Woods
  96. Travis says:

    federal prosecutors constantly lying to the press…to get bigger headlines and exaggerate their sting operations. It is like breathing , they are so used to falsifying reports that the Feds probably do not even realize they are always being deceitful , even when the truth is damning enough they will misrepresent and invent crimes to tarnish those they dislike.

    Too many examples to mention , but recently they lied about the massage parlors raided in Florida, claiming these 45 year-old licensed massage therapists were trafficked and held against their will….yet the owners of the massage parlors and the managers were never charged with trafficking and after 6 months of surveillance on these establishments they failed to charge anyone with “trafficking” or enslavement , but did charge a car service driver for racketeering for giving the women a ride to the airport. Typical Fed deceptions , just like the lies spread about Trump and his associates. The Feds cannot be trusted. Most of them should be incarcerated. We would be better off if they jailed every single Federal agent.

  97. GU says:

    LOL, Dr. Dre should have googled “affirmative action boost for black kids” before paying USC $70 million to get his daughter in.

  98. Precious says:

    A decade ago my brother married a 22 year old virgin, he proposed to her during her senior year of college. Very happy marriage. The best women know they need to cash in their chips at the peak of their beauty.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  99. theMann says:

    Lets just cut the crap here.

    Everybody knows what a bribe is. If looks like one, smells like one, and tastes like one, it is a bribe.

    Offering the bribe is crummy and mildly criminal, TAKING the bribe is very criminal.

    So let’s prosecute the parents and give the schools a free ride! Seriously, not one institution has been charged with anything?

    That is the essence of corruption.

  100. Jack D says:
    @Bill P

    Unwanted (or even wanted) pregnancies, let alone surgical abortions among rich college girls are rare nowadays. They take the pill or have IUD’s and the men use condoms. If any unprotected sex occurs, they get the “morning after” pill and if they do get pregnant then they usually get medical (pill based) abortions right quick. These women are highly informed and have the resources of the college Women’s Health Center to help them prevent or quickly terminate pregnancies. Surgical abortions, especially late ones, are the domain of drug addled ghetto mommas who don’t notice that they are pregnant or get around to doing anything about it for 3 or 4 months.

    If the girl does get pregnant and the guy is super rich, she can trade an abortion for a big settlement payment – the alternative for the guy is to pay decades of child support. In some states this is based on a % of income and can be incredibly lucrative for the baby momma. There may be a few ho’s who go hunting for men this way but most college girls are not in this business and want nothing to do with pregnancy until they are much older. Having a baby is just not on their radar until they are at least 29 or 30, if ever.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
  101. GU says:

    But it’s still a party school for the rich kids that go there. It has great weather, a long history of being a party school for rich kids, a storied football program (fun tailgating and lots of school spirit), and a very strong alumni network.

    If you’re already rich, USC sounds a lot more fun than Yale. This is doubly true if you’re also physically attractive.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  102. Alfa158 says:

    As a former tech product guy I have a lot of respect for Andre Young’s marketing vision. I would never in a thousand years have thought that I could get away with putting a famous name on $25 Chinese headphones and selling them at full retail for ten times that much. I would have reasoned, come on, where would you find that many suckers? There’s not enough value add there.
    Well, Dr. Dre knew better, made enormous profit margins, then sold the whole thing off for billions before the fad for his name brand ran its course and crashed the enterprise.
    My hat is off to him.
    Sidenote: this product seems to have kicked off the trend of using huge, high volume, ear covering headphones for mobile use instead of buds. I wonder how many runners, skateboarders and bicyclists have been killed or injured because they never heard the car coming?

  103. Jack D says:
    @Almost Missouri

    According to Hillel, Brown (at 14% Jewish) is more Jewish than Harvard (12%) or even NYU (13%).—blog/news-and-views/2018/03/15/2017-top-60-schools-by-jewish-population

    Anecdotally, my daughter had a couple of high school friends who went to Brown and they were both Jewish. The Ivy schools least attractive to Jews are Princeton and Dartmouth.

  104. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Did Dr. Dre make the $70 million donation for tax purposes, with his daughter’s admission merely an additional benefit? It’s insane to pay that much just for admission to any university, let alone USC. It’s incredibly financially irresponsible.

  105. @guest

    Well,Onassis had a contract that he would give her money,IIRC, for every time they made love. I am surprised Jackie, looking at Onassis in his birthday suit, had airfare to get out of Greece!

  106. My favorite rapper college student enabler is Sean Combs.

    Former UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel admits P Diddy helped son get football scholarship

  107. @Alfa158

    I guess the question is: Were all or most of his customers black?

  108. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Read the scam on this by the eponymous of this website. Addendum to his essay, ” The Myth of …”

    These hillel numbers were magically halved and eliminated in some cases after the unwanted attention from Mr. Unz and others confirming that undergraduate admissions has evolved for jews into crypsis ehtnic networking and co option.

    Everything becomes just another scam.

    • Agree: Trevor H.
  109. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    No elite man is that dumb outside of mormon circles.

    Waste your 20s when lifespan is 90.

  110. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I wasn’t implying in my hypothetical that an employee was ripping off his employer. I was treating the theatre as a corporate person, who would get the money. So that reads as contract law, not criminal law, to me, although there may be some sort of misdemeanor consumer protection law angle, but that would be state, not federal, and it wouldn’t involve a perp walk, jail, or bail.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  111. Jack D says:

    Brown is not very discriminating academically.

    Compared to what? Brown stands at the bottom of the Ivy ranks but ANY Ivy is very elite – it’s still one of the top 20 schools in the US out of 5,000 plus colleges. The average SAT for Brown is 1490 – approximately 2% of the kids taking the SAT score 1490 or above.

    Going to Brown is like playing for one of the weaker MLB teams – you might not be quite good enough to be a starting pitcher for the Dodgers or the Red Sox but you are still in a very elite league. Maybe your fastball is not 102 mph but it’s 98.

  112. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, I spent a little time reading up on it: indeed, it’s a mail fraud case! How bogus is that? Honest services is a variety of federal mail fraud.

    Typical federal overreach. When you think of the wrongs committed and the victims, does misuse of the mail pop immediately into your head? Just another federal three-crimes-a-day scam by the feds.

    Why does the post office even still exist? I have no problem with the feds prosecuting someone who is stealing packages or sending bombs in the mail. But the idea that the textual content of a letter sent by mail creates federal jurisdiction over a whole constellation of frauds is ridiculous.

  113. Ibound1 says:

    John John must have been a very weak student for Harvard to reject him. Hell they let Jared Kushner in didn’t they? I do remember once reading, in I believe the old New Republic, that when John John was working as a summer clerk for a law firm connected to the Democratic Party the firm noted that his legal memos were “immaculately typed”.

  114. Carol says:
    @Percy Gryce

    I read that Brown had no general ed requirement too. Just take whatever and Puck up your diploma.

    Maybe only we rubes had to take science and math

  115. Huisache says:

    My guess is that the school was Texas A&M

  116. @Jack D

    Thanks for the update. I didn’t know that. My 20th century impression was that Brown was a hippie-ish retreat for New Englanders.

    P.S. Any idea why Princeton is less attractive? Dartmouth is out in the boonies, so I can understand an urban-skewing population being less interested, but Princeton is not far from NYC.

  117. @Jack D

    Yes, compared to other Ivies. And yes, the seller’s market in credentials has lifted all boats.

  118. @Almost Missouri

    P.S. Any idea why Princeton is less attractive?

    It was a favorite for Southerners. They and Jews went their separate ways in 1948, when their marriage of convenience foundered on the rocky question of how to treat the help.

  119. bomag says:
    @Almost Missouri

    … rejected students are now suing involved schools as a class action (seems reasonable) and alumni are suing as a class for diminished reputation

    I’m interested in how this plays out.

    A local attorney started in on the local high school over a wrongful expulsion. The school promptly claimed they offered no essential service; expelled students had equal opportunities and outcomes as attending students; etc etc.

    Essentially, no damages.

    It’d be funny if the selective colleges put alums on the stand to testify that their tenure did not help them in life; even hurt them. LOL!

  120. @Jack D

    If the girl does get pregnant and the guy is super rich, she can trade an abortion for a big settlement payment – the alternative for the guy is to pay decades of child support. In some states this is based on a % of income and can be incredibly lucrative for the baby momma. There may be a few ho’s who go hunting for men this way but most college girls are not in this business and want nothing to do with pregnancy until they are much older. Having a baby is just not on their radar until they are at least 29 or 30, if ever.
    I think that is the next phase of the culture war – a few good ho’s get set up for child support in college.

  121. Jack D says:
    @Almost Missouri

    There is a lot of speculation in this thread:

    Back in the day (even post Jew quota times), Princeton had a preference for clean cut intelligent jocks vs. bearded intellectuals so it skewed WASP. When they started letting in women they picked a lot of Jewish women because they didn’t have to worry about facial hair on them (well, a lot of Jewish women have slight mustaches but that’s what Nair is for) and could use the high SATs of the Jewish women to keep their averages up, but still the reputation remained.

    I don’t think that modern Princeton discriminates against Jews anymore but it’s just not a top pick among Jews. Note that it is not devoid of Jews, just a few % points lower – 8% vs 12% at Harvard. My guess is that if you are Jewish and you get into Harvard and Princeton or Yale and Princeton, you don’t pick Princeton, but if you only get into Princeton (and lesser Ivies) you do.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  122. JRM says:

    How much has elite immigration contributed to more competitive college admissions for the best schools?

    My father scored 99% on the GRE in 1969 and came to this country for a PhD at Columbia. There are many people like him.

    Looking at a list of names of National Merit Semifinalists roughly 75% are of recent immigrant origin.

    In other words, academic competition is four times more intense.

  123. Daniel H says:

    >>I was pretty shocked to see that people were playing these games with USC.

    My nephew applied to USC engineering last year and was rejected. He had a perfect ACT score, was national merit scholar, perfect 4.0 high school GPA, won all sorts of high school science and engineering awards, math whiz, was on the swim team, etc…Rejected. College admissions is a very corrupt process.

    • Replies: @Anon
  124. Princeton is less urban.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Charles Pewitt
  125. @Almost Missouri

    I was thinking college age girlfriend.

  126. Ann Coulter’s latest article debunks the two high-IQ parents = a high-IQ kid myth, pointing out the way that nature thwarts such “best laid plans of mice and men,” reverting attempts to generate designer IQs via high-IQ mating to the mean. So, there is no need to go to all lengths to justify marrying the handsome dude.

    I, however, am pretty sure that this Ivy League cheating scandal is really just strategizing by a Republican Party that did nothing about immigration during two years of complete control of the executive and legislative branches, even though the mass immigration issue is why Trump got elected.

    Trump won due to Rust Belt cross-over voters. Trump won by a slim 1% margin. After the mid-term turn around, Republicans are trying to make up for all of the cross-over voters they lost by doing nothing about immigration. They did nothing other than increasing legal immigration to 1.7 million during one of Trump’s years in offic, with welfare-eligible (and other) legal immigrants snagging many of the scarce trickle of new jobs.

    Asians represent about 4% of the US population and a disproportionate slice of thwarted Ivy League applicants.

    Republicans could care less that they are losing a bunch of white voters who wanted something done about the welfare-assisted immigration that lines the pockets of many in the political-donor class, while undercutting wages for underemployed US citizens for 40 years. They just need enough votes to stay in office, paving the way for continued riches since all of our legislators are flat-out rich, even though most do not own businesses that employ US citizens.

    Asians currently vote as a near-monolithic bloc for Democrats, so by taking their side in the Ivy League cheating debate, Republicans think they can get the margin they need to keep politicians and their DNA dynasties 1) employed in high-paying government jobs and 2) enjoying access to all of those lucrative, foreign business contacts that have made global businesspeople and globalist politicians so rich, as America’s middle class disappeared.

    I am not so great at math. But if Republicans lose the 1% margin of cross-over Rust Belt Déplorables, plus a few farmers due to the way the Chinese tariffs played out, mightn’t this Ivy League admissions scandal fill in the gaps with Asian votes? People in high places must think so.

    They also figure that most Déplorables won’t object to Republicans taking the side of a particular racial group—Asians—in regard to Ivy League admissions. It is not something that most Déplorables put high on their priority list.

    Republicans are also counting on low turn-out from cross-over Déplorables.

    Republicans assume the cross-over voters won’t turn out to vote for race-pandering, race-baiting Democrats who are not going to do anything to reduce immigration to reasonable levels, either.

    But if cross-over Déplorables do vote for Dems, it might nullify any gains from Asian vote chasing by Republicans, especially if some of the rich parents counting on the pay-to-play admissions jump ship. They already got their giant stock-buy-back and inheritance tax cuts. Why do they need to stay with Republicans who are subjecting them to public-shaming rituals?

    • Replies: @Daniel H
  127. Jack D says:

    In terms of physical attractiveness, the town of Princeton is charming and it’s a 1 hr train ride to the delights of NYC. New Haven is almost 2 hrs from NYC and is a crime ridden dump. It can’t be explained by the setting. Dartmouth would not be appealing to an “urban” population but Princeton is just fine.

  128. res says:

    Very interesting questions. This particular case is a great example of how deep the rot goes. They mercilessly out numerous parents and children, but somehow the most egregious example gets a pass?! I hope we get to learn the details.

  129. @Desiderius

    Princeton, New Jersey, is plummy with the majority of the Blacks being squirrels.

    New Jersey is one of the most segregated states in the USA, if you go town by town.

    The wealthy and upper middle class snots in Princeton, New Jersey, don’t want no Blacks there.

    Princeton, New Jersey, is like Malibu, California and Chappaqua, New York — the upper middle class and wealthy globalizer scum who live there don’t want to live anywhere near Blacks.

    Hillary Clinton, the evil baby boomer globalizer dirtbag, lives in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, in order to avoid having to live anywhere near Black people.

    Barbara Streisand and Rob Reiner, evil anti-White globalizer goons, live in mostly White Malibu, California, in order to avoid having to live anywhere near Black people.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    , @Reg Cæsar
  130. bored identity just can’t keep up with all this six-degrees of intersectional separation plaguing our beloved Weimerica:

    When Brown sends their pyromaniacal Wolves to love-crime Tulane’s dorm with a set of matches, they send cute, ‘well-maladopted’, hapa- pixie named Naimi Okami

  131. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    What happened in 1948? Also, it’s my impression that even in 1948 the kind of Southerner who attended Princeton (rather than Alabama) would be more like Jimmy Carter (BTW now our longest living President) than like George Wallace in terms of his attitudes toward “the help”.

  132. DodgUSA24 says:
    @Jack D

    Agree with this comment, re. Princeton and Dartmouth. In my experience, 100% true.

  133. MikeJa says:

    With all the affirmative action, Dre needed to donate HOW MUCH to get his girl into USC?

  134. DodgUSA24 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Biggest reason: Princeton is seen as primarily a WASP school. That’s not a problem, but why not go some place where Jews are seen as a significant % of the population?

    Other reasons:

    Unlike Harvard, Penn and Columbia, Princeton is not in a big city.

    Regardless of the rankings, Princeton is considered slightly below Harvard and Yale.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  135. songbird says:

    I wonder how much of that $70 million was from Dr. Dre. Iovine’s name is first, so I assume that he donated more. Still, I’m a little bit surprised that he would donate to a college, even if it meant getting his daughter in. I would have thought he would be been more streetsmart about the value of a degree. Iovine too, since he was a dropout.

  136. OFF TOPIC

    In July of 2018, Bernie from the Bronx Sanders, who was at one time a Sam Gompers immigration skeptic because of the effect of immigration on wages, attacked Trump by introducing some cruddy bill in the US Senate that tried to use the Russia — Russia — Russia nonsense to smear Trump.

    TULSI GABBARD has been the only Democrat Party candidate for president who has been accurate in her depiction of the Russia — Russia — Russia crud as a deceitfully concocted distraction from real issues that face the USA.

    Michael Tracey was also correct in his description of this disgusting fraud about Russia perpetrated by treasonous rats in the DEEP STATE and the Democrat Party and the rancid and putrid whores in the corporate propaganda apparatus.

    I stopped paying attention to the Russia fraud and Sailer blogged a bit and got bored too.

    You evil bastards in the DEEP STATE and the Democrat Party and the corporate media will NOT get away with this Russia fraud crud!

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  137. @Jack D

    Not many Cossacks hiding in crime ridden dumps. Whereas Princeton is pretty woody – who knows who could be lurking there waiting to pounce? Or is it seize?

    If you don’t like it take it up with your co-religionists and while you’re at it tell them to stop making fools of themselves at the expense of mine and our shared nation.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  138. OFF TOPIC

    I disagree with Michael Tracey and Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi on just about everything. I am a right wing populist patriot and they are left wing populist progressives — maybe I’ll let those guys say what they are, they ain’t much for a lack of words, that’s for sure.


    Tracey and Greenwald and Taibbi didn’t bite at the jitterbug lure of the Russia — Russia — Russia fraud like stupid largemouth bass. Largemouth bass got a memory of an hour or so, you can catch the same fish with the same lure after an hours time has passed. These guys also weren’t going to play the game of propaganda whores who write and talk about crud that they know is a big damn fraud.

    You evil sleazebags in the DEEP STATE and the Democrat Party and the corporate media who pushed this Russia fraud crud will pay for your horrible actions!

    I don’t support Trump anymore because of his weakness on immigration and his slavish devotion to Shelly Adelson and Israel, but Trump was attacked by the ruling class with this Russia fraud crud and it was a disgusting scam from the get-go.

    • Agree: Ghost of Bull Moose
  139. @Jack D

    My dorm room at Princeton was once a slave/servant’s room for his adjoining master.

    When you think Princeton Southerners think Wilson, not Carter (who attended my other alma mater, Georgia Tech, which is a far cry from Princeton in a panoply of ways).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  140. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Not, less attractive. Less receptive. Large distinction. Heavily associated with Presbyterianism historically. From the time of Wilson and before had an emphasis on geographic diversity which meant the south effectively in those days. If youve been there youd have a sense right away.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  141. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Yale is third tier in fields like computer science etc.

    Jitney into NYC is one of the best parts of Princeton. Can party all night and be back in the AM.

  142. @bomag

    It should be easy to find the $6.5 million kid. The bribe amount is presumably a sliding scale in which you have to pay more according to how unqualified your kid is. So you just have to find the dumbest kid at Yale.


  143. @Jack D

    I won’t put words in anyone’s mouth, but there was a deep division in the Democratic Party in 1948, with many Southerners going to Strom Thurmond’s Dixiecrats and many Jews going to Henry Wallace’s Progressives. Amazingly Truman still managed to win, or Dewey managed to blow the election.

    The Dixiecrats were a forerunner of the South eventually going Republican. Much of the South went for Goldwater in 1964, Wallace in 1968 and Nixon in 1972. Some states, like Arkansas, held off on going full Republican until this century. As recently as the late 1990s Clinton was extremely popular in much of the South, especially his home state where he had approval ratings of about 67%

    Most Jews stayed with the Democratic Party. There are still some conservatives among the Jewish Democrats, the Joe Lieberman types. On the left wing Sanders runs for president as a Democrat, but has never really been a Democrat.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  144. @Reg Cæsar

    A number of the top Jewish scientists went to Princeton in earlier times to escape the Nazis.

    But for undergraduates, much of the social life centered around the Eating Clubs, which often chose their members based on what prep school one had attended. That would discourage at least some Jews.

    In addition, there are rumors that Princeton kept the Quota system longer than some of the other Ivies. I have no idea if that is true.

  145. Jack D says:

    Servant, not slave unless your dorm room was built before 1804 when NJ abolished slavery. Wilson attended Princeton in the 1870s when things were different than they were on the cusp of the civil rights movement.

    • Replies: @Ed
  146. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Those numbers are absolute fakery. ( revealing both the genesis and the methods of the scams at play )

    When the facts are noticed, change the facts. # The Rackets

    “For whatever reason, Hillel seems to have recently adopted this practice, drastically reducing its published estimates of the Jewish enrollment at Harvard and other elite colleges, thus eliminating a glaring example of ethnic bias by a simple act of redefinition. For example, the Hillel website now claims that merely 11% of Harvard. ”

    Caltech now magically Jew Free !

  147. @Jack D

    Ron Unz claims Hillel used to report double these percentages of Jews at the Ivies, but changed its methodology (now only counting only religiously active). He think this change was directly in response to his use of their prior numbers to argue that Jews were being massively favored at the expense of Asian and Whites.

    In fact, Harvard reported that 45.0 percent of its undergraduates in 2011 were white Americans, but since Jews were 25 percent of the student body, the enrollment of non-Jewish whites might have been as low as 20 percent, though the true figure was probably somewhat higher.[51] The Jewish levels for Yale and Columbia were also around 25 percent, while white Gentiles were 22 percent at the former and just 15 percent at the latter. The remainder of the Ivy League followed this same general pattern.

    This overrepresentation of Jews is really quite extraordinary, since the group currently constitutes just 2.1 percent of the general population and about 1.8 percent of college-age Americans.[52] Thus, although Asian-American high school graduates each year outnumber their Jewish classmates nearly three-to-one, American Jews are far more numerous at Harvard and throughout the Ivy League. Both groups are highly urbanized, generally affluent, and geographically concentrated within a few states, so the “diversity” factors considered above would hardly seem to apply; yet Jews seem to fare much better at the admissions office.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  148. Semi-OT, but related to bribery and college athletics Micheal Avenatti has been charged with extortion and wire fraud.

    Michael Avenatti

    Tmrw at 11 am ET, we will be holding a press conference to disclose a major high school/college basketball scandal perpetrated by @Nike that we have uncovered. This criminal conduct reaches the highest levels of Nike and involves some of the biggest names in college basketball.

    9:16 AM – Mar 25, 2019
    Twitter Ads info and privacy
    11.4K people are talking about this

    Nike stock initially nose dived on the news, but later recovered much of the losses.

    According to a criminal complaint, Avenatti had offered to not hold that press conference “only if Nike made a payment of $1.5 million to a client of Avenatti’s in possession of information damaging to Nike … and agreed to ‘retain’ Avenatti and [a co-conspirator] to conduct an ‘internal investigation’ — an investigation that Nike did not request — for which Avenatti and [the co-conspirator] demanded to be paid, at a minimum, between $15 [million] and $25 million.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  149. George says:

    In white collar crime, snitches get to keep their fancy college degree.

  150. Jack D says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    The NY Times today is reporting about a “Jexodus” (an Exodus of Jews) from the Democrat Party.

    But according to the NY Times, there’s nothing to see here folks, move on – the Jexodus is not real – Jews are and always will be loyal Democrat voters, even after the leaders of the Democrat Party start wearing hijabs and spouting anti-Semitic venom. The NY Times has the poll results to prove it. I’m sure Don Sussman will not hesitate to fund Ilhan Omar’s Presidential campaign just like he did Hillary’s.

    Instead of Moses, this Exodus is being led by swimsuit model Elizabeth Pipko, who has a hotter body for sure than Moses did. Back in the day, a lot of Jewish men supported Leftist causes because this is where the hottest (and most “liberated”) women were found so if the hot girls are going R this is very promising.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Lot
  151. Jack D says:

    This couldn’t happen to a nicer guy, but still I am suspicious of getting the police to arrest anyone who claims to have damaging information about a big corporation – this is sure a great way of shutting up your enemies.

  152. Meanwhile, The Comeydy Central Committee is in a full-retard session:

    Just a figment of bored identity’s wishful thinking :

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  153. Jack D says:

    Yea, the woods of Princeton NJ are just crawling with toothless gun toting hillbillies. The kind that take NJ Transit to their jobs on Wall St.

  154. @bored identity

    Jim Comey is a high IQ Leprechaun moron. John Brennan ain’t as smart as Comey, but he’s a Leprechaun moron too.

    I have Irish ancestry and I love the Irish people, but this Comey guy is a boob of the first order.

    Let’s get some Irish cop with some integrity, there are plenty out there, give him some Swamp City DC advisers who know their way around, and let this Irish guy look into the crummy stuff that Comey and Brennan and the others were up to.

    Comey is almost a foot taller than me, why should I like this guy anyway?

  155. Jack D says:

    Whatever method Hillel is using is (I assume) consistent across all universities so whether they are under or over reporting the % of Jews at each school you can still use their numbers to compare the relative concentration of Jews between schools.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  156. Jack D says:

    Wilson has been gone from Princeton for over a century. Of HYP, Princeton was the 1st to have a Jewish president. When they first began admitting women, reportedly 1/3 of the 1st group of women were Jewish. Lots of Jewish faculty. The Eating Club system has broken down – half of them have open admission (not to mention the kosher dining hall). While it still has a reputation that hangs over it from the old days and does make it less attractive to Jews (but not so unattractive that the place has less than 8% Jews) their receptivity is fine nowadays. I’m sure that they are not pleased that in H-P or Y-P cross admits (especially of Jews) they end up losing a lot of them and would prefer not to if could.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  157. Jack D says:

    Airlines do this all the time. Sometimes they even haul people out of seats they are already sitting in to replace them with more favored customers. YOU are the criminal if you don’t give up your seat.

    Again, the crime here was “honest services fraud” – the employer is entitled to the employee working in his interests and not freelancing. If you pay American for a 1st class upgrade, no problem. If you slip the flight attendant $100 – problem. Maybe this shouldn’t be a Federal crime (Scalia didn’t think so) but it is.

  158. Travis says:
    @Jim Christian

    same reason many people buy Tesla cars, they are buying status for themselves in addition to spoiling their kids by giving them what they want, like the parents who buy BMWs for their kids 16th birthday.

    $250,000 for life income from a trust is peanuts to these frauds…they are pulling in millions per year and still feel poor compared to their wealthy neighbors…William Macy has a net worth of $45 million and his wife is worth $25 million….their kids will inherit $30 million each, they have no real need for a career or job.

  159. Thinker says:

    Maybe it’s Rob Lowe. He claimed that his 2 kids got into Stanford through their own merit and hard work. I’m waiting for the skeletons to fall out of his closet.

    Meanwhile, love that Dr. Dre tweeted his daughter got into USC “all by herself” and “no jail!”, then we found out he donated $70m to the school and has his name on a bldg, bwahaha! He’s since deleted the tweet.

    Frankly I’m perplexed as to why these celebs want to send their kids to USC. Because of the football program? I have a hard time believing it’s still a party school. The demographics are as follows:

    16.8% Asian
    5.6% black
    14.8% Hispanic
    30.7% white
    23.9% International
    8.1% other

    Of the 24% international, 50% are from China alone. University of Spoiled Children has long since become University of Spoiled Chinese!

    But then maybe with all this free marketing, rich white parents will once again clamour to send their spoiled kids to USC.

    Personally I think USC upping its academic reputation to try to attract more studious kids is a mistake. They should’ve stayed on as a party school for rich white kids, with nice weather and a kickass football team, after all, those kids have to have some place to go, and they bring lots of $$.

  160. @Jim Christian

    Shhh. Without out the “All women are sluts and my standards are too high” myth these guys would be even more despairing of hitting 30 and never have had sex.

  161. OFF TOPIC

    The internet says Maddow makes $7 million a year for putting on her globalizer propaganda TV show.

    Maddow is a disgusting corporate propaganda whore who does the bidding of transnational corporations and money-grubbing globalizer scum plutocrats.

    Greenwald says she makes $10 million. Who knows?

    Maddow is no Sam Gompers trade unionist leftist, that’s for sure.

    Maddow pushed the Russia fraud scam to distract the viewers away from looking at the globalizer plutocrats and the transnational corporations and all the crud they were pulling.

  162. @danand

    From the WTKR site:

    Merris was born and raised in Central Florida, where she grew up with a lot of pets, including a pet pig named Rambo, and a herd of goats named after fruits and vegetables.

  163. @Jack D

    a “Jexodus” (an Exodus of Jews)

    Now, that’s the Redundancy of the Day, across the whole domain.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  164. Thinker says:

    Agree with everything. Harvard is the stingiest of them all. We did the Net Price Calculator and found out our kids could barely qualify for aid, we’ll be on the hook for nearly $60k a year for 4 years, even though we clearly cannot afford it on $250k a year annual income. Meanwhile they’re sitting on a stockpile of $36 Billion in endowment. Those effing Jews hold on tight to every penny!

    The endowment has become a status symbol for these schools, they accumulate it to increase their prestige, and have zero intention of spending it, esp. on financial aid. If you are not black or hispanic, you’d better cough up the dough. We need to start taxing endowment incomes from private colleges with an endowment of over $10B.

    …the Loughlin girl was roommates with Joe Buck’s daughter, which I’m sure was not a random matchup – but if you’re an ordinary middle class don’t go in thinking you’ll come out best buddies with the billionaire kids. It doesn’t work that way.

    Yep. Daniel Golden said that in his book Price of Admission. Rich kids go to schools like HYP and socialize through their own Finals Clubs, Secret Societies or Eating Clubs, they rarely even attend classes and do not socialize with the riff raffs. Upper middle class parents who kill themselves to get their kids into these schools thinking they will get to know children of the rich and powerful and make good connections are sorely mistaken.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  165. Thea says:
    @Jim Christian

    Status and social approval. The same reason people pay for designer labels when less expensive generics are just as suitable.

  166. Thinker says:

    So bribery is not a crime? You should go move to a 3rd world country. People who think like you are the reason why the US is sinking deeper into 3rd world status.

  167. @Jack D

    Princeton is closer to Trenton than USC is to UCLA. And Princeton is “Safer than 10% of U.S. Cities”:

    • Replies: @Jack D
  168. Thinker says:
    @Bill P

    If you put her in with the guys with yachts and mansions and luxury cars, she’ll (hopefully) never want to settle for anything less.

    Nicky Hilton (Paris’ little sister) never went to college at all. She took classes at Parsons School of Design and Fashion Institute of Technology, and still wound up marrying a Rothschild.

  169. Thinker says:
    @Jim Christian

    Because they are VAIN. They want to be able to brag to people where their kids went to college so people will think their kids are smart, which is a reflection of how smart they are.

    6 out of the 33 parents charged so far are Harvard grads. If you went to Harvard, and are rich, you just can’t tell people your kid went to Podunk U. They’d think you ain’t so bright yourself, only got in through connections, and/or just a bad parent.

    • Replies: @JimB
    , @res
  170. Lot says:

    Illinois’s Demographic Collapse:

    Excellent article with bunches of demographic data and charts.

    One I liked is US population increase by state. Clearly shows that about 70% of US population increase 2010-2018 was in TX/FL/CA, and that most states are nearly unchanged.

    The Sunbelt trend is weakening too, but still the driver. MN, CO, ND, SD all had decent population growth while the interior South, except TN, did not. SC seems to be booming, it was once one of the very poorest states.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  171. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian

    Those guys may be outliers, but so too are your daughter and her friends, if statistics are to be believed rather than personal anecdotes. Marrying at 24 to someone you met in college and having 2 or more kids by 28 is not common at all these days.

  172. @Jack D

    What happened in 1948?

    They diverged over which kind of Wallace they preferred– Henry in ’48, or George in ’68.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Hibernian
  173. anon[202] • Disclaimer says:

    1. A rich foreigner who likely won’t be extradited to the US.
    2. A Hollywood celeb who is now deceased.

  174. I’m going out on a limb here and make the claim that not only did these slimy fucks pay to get the kids into the best colleges they will also pay to buy their way out of prison.

    There, I said it, AND i’ll bet anyone a $1 that i’m right.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Jack D
  175. Lot says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “I was under the impression that college-age assortative mating was still going pretty strong among the upper class.”

    Not for a long time.

    Happens now mostly at prestige big city jobs between 27-35.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  176. @Jim Christian

    Roissy/Roosh’s prime was ten/fifteen years ago. Things have significantly improved since then, in no small part due to their efforts.

    They’re the stones that cried out traditional Christian headship when everyone else was too terrified to say anything or too deluded to say anything useful.

    Young men (and some not so young!) heard and learned. When men are willing to take the lead everyone is happier, especially women.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @benjaminl
  177. @Lot

    Upper class women don’t have big city prestige jobs, and the best upper middle don’t for long.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Lot
  178. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H

    USC is ultra competitive.

    NAMs get affirmative action. Jews benefit from ethnic nepotism. However, if you’re White gentile, you have to have stellar SATs and grades to make it in. Especially with all the competition from the Tiger Cubs.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  179. @Anon

    ” students are taking their dorm food out of the dorm and just trashing the dishes and silverware”

    I ate at a organic veg restaurant (sorry, ‘field kitchen’) in the Totnes/Dartington UK middle-class hippie zone last year, where the plates are all odd ones (recycling) .

    My plate said “Harvard Business School”. Wonder how it got there?

  180. OT:

    Have this commentariat ever figured out if “pit bulls” are actually dangerous?

    March 24, 2019 – DALLAS (AP) — Police say a Dallas-area woman was mauled to death by her two pit bull terriers as she tried to feed them at a veterinary clinic where the dogs were in quarantine for a prior attack.

    Irving police say 33-year-old Johana Villafane of Irving was pronounced dead Saturday at a Dallas hospital.

    A police statement says Villafane was at the clinic Saturday morning to feed the dogs and was in an exercise area when they attacked her.

    The aggressive dogs prevented medical personnel from quickly reaching Villafane. A police officer shot and killed both animals and the woman was taken to a hospital where she died.

    The statement didn’t describe the initial biting incident that led to the pit bulls being quarantined.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @J.Ross
    , @Almost Missouri
  181. Thinker says:
    @Jack D

    According to Unz, Penn now has the highest % jews, but others are not far behind:

    % Jewish students:

    Penn: 27%
    Harvard: 26%
    Yale: 26%
    Columbia: 25%
    Brown: 24%
    Cornell: 23%
    Princeton: 13%
    Dartmouth: 11%
    Stanford: 10%
    Berkeley: 10%
    MIT: 9%
    UCLA: 9%
    Caltech: 6%

    Princeton and Dartmouth are known for being the most academically rigorous in the Ivy League, with the least grade inflation. Caltech is the only one that doesn’t do holistic, or at least as much.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  182. @Reg Cæsar

    Dont think many Princetonians were pulling the lever for G Wallace. Not really the done thing.

    What happened in ‘48 was that Dewey lost and the Ds got cocky. Cocks like to fight.

  183. Thinker says:

    20 years ago it only cost Jared Kushner’s dad $2.5 million to get Jared into Harvard. His HS counselors said his grades were nowhere near at the top in his school and there was no way he could’ve gotten in on his own merit.

    Inflation adjusted, that $2.5 mil would be $4.5 m today. But then again, thanks to the last 20 years of cheap credit and wealth inflation on Wall Street, the real equivalent is probably $25m today. John Paulson had to donate $400m to get his kids in.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  184. L Woods says:

    The very experience of being put on the “primary market” damages the goods.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  185. OT
    The reputation of Orange Man Curse precedes him bigly – it seems that Avenatti’s college slushy just got permanently off its cone:

    • Replies: @anonymous
  186. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Do you know these places? USC is literally across the street from the ghetto of LA. Trenton is a hellhole but it’s 10 miles from Princeton and it might as well be on another planet.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    , @Buffalo Joe
  187. @Tiny Duck

    hahahahaha… that is fucking funny coming from you.

  188. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Jim Christian

    This is not even remotely true for most college grads.

    First, female hypergamy. Only the top 10% men are eligible even given gender imbalance. It’s bad during College and worse in the workforce.

    Second debt load has both sexes unmarriagable due to reverse dowries for women and men living with parents or five other roommates in their twenties and early thirties.

    By the time both have paid off their loans both are mid thirties. The women mostly carousel riders with a Hollywood starlet notch count and the men intermittent incels. See Jessica Valenti and her constant rage at her younger, Harvard grad husband vs the bodybuilder who had her during her teens.

    High debt load for college is a given in that Commuter U marks you as a loser or third world minor figure like Steves Beta Male of the year candidate who fake married a Russia chick who was involved in the San Bernadino jihad shooting peripherally.

    In order for family formation among Whites to happen women must have their status and potential earnings drastically pushed down and White men pushed dramatically higher than Black or Muslim competitors.

    Otherwise most American White women will don the chador like those in New Zealand.

  189. Daniel H says:
    @Endgame Napoleon

    Republicans are a greater Enemy to the American people than the Democrats are.

  190. Anon7 says:

    Campus OT: Popping of balloons leads to unbearable guilt:

    Last week, a group of our members had planned a bonding event that involved team-building activities, including one that involved popping balloons that set off the false shooter alert. We are truly sorry to everyone who feared for their lives and had to experience the traumatic events of that day, especially to our fellow Muslim students and all those who were present at the New Zealand Mosques Solidarity Vigil. It is unacceptable to merely pass off our actions as a poorly timed coincidence…

    We take this event as a stark realization that we need to further educate ourselves about Islamophobia, white supremacy and what it means to use our position as [alpha Kappa Delta Phi] students to participate in more meaningful coalition building on campus…

  191. And now we have Jussie Smollett’s lawyer being named as a co-conspirator in the Avenatti extortion case.

    The #LyingMSM couldn’t get rid of him fast enough, it seems, but their luster is quickly becoming shit.

    • Replies: @Kaganovitch
  192. @Anon

    Funny, but Mueller is–or at least was–a hero to the establishment, so his kids would have been welcomed anywhere.

  193. Jack D says:

    What do you think “upper class” women do nowadays? Stay home and work on their needlepoint while they prepare for the cotillion?

  194. L Woods says:
    @Jim Christian

    Boomers in this thread: “Gee, me and my special snowflake anecdotal daughter have mine — everything’s great!” More proof that ‘blue pillers” are smug, vindictive assholes who deserve all the exploitation/divorce rape that comes to them.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  195. @Jack D

    USC is literally across the street from the ghetto of LA.

    Someone I know who went there decades ago, near the height of the crack wars, said it was no picnic. Even today, with crime rates at their lowest since the 60’s (which was when crime rates skyrocketed), it’s not exactly Mayberry. In 2014, a couple of Chinese grad students were killed for their iPads while sitting in a Beemer.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  196. Anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:

    Pretty sure it’s someone married to Ivanka whose name ends in ‘Kushner’.

  197. L Woods says:

    Things have improved? In the #metoo era? You could certainly have fooled me.

    • Replies: @Anon
  198. @jon

    jon, I went to a small Jesuit College and my youngest daughter went to another small Jesuit college. $6.5 million is serious money at either of these schools, but this bribe was for entrance into an elite school. The Iveys already have billions in endowments so I’m thinking this child was a real dud and the money was to work an otherwise unattainable miracle.

  199. J.Ross says: • Website

    Why did the 11 year old orphan kill his foster parents? Solve the imperfectly digitized puzzle to learn the completely unguessable answer!

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Clyde
  200. Steve, have you read this article in today’s L.A. Times?

    “Big backyards and pools are California’s past. Apartment buildings are its future.”

    You will live in a 100-square-foot apartment and you will love it!

  201. @AnonAnon

    Anon, I think you are missing the point. Your example turned down schools because they weren’t offering her enough aid. Who needs financial aide when your parents have a spare $6.5 million laying around for a scam artist?

  202. @Jim Christian

    Jim, That is a great idea if you don’t want to tell your friends that your kid is at Harvard or Yale or wherever, but you could tell them that your kid invested well and is living on his dividends. That works too.

  203. Texas Nutcake Marshall Applewhite

    Bolshevik Jew Nutcake Adam Schiff

    I wrote this in February of 2018 about the Russia — Russia — Russia repetitive propaganda from certain portions of the American Empire’s ruling class:

    The Democrats are using the Russia — Russia — Russia — attack as a way of suggesting that they are in some way guardians of national concerns or national security. The Democrats are using pseudo-nationalistic rhetoric to distract attention away from the fact that the Democrats have gone global in their outlook.

    The Democrats are now actively attacking the sovereignty and the particular national interests of the United States. In matters concerning immigration, foreign policy and legal structures, the Democrats are openly renouncing any attempt to govern the United States as a sovereign nation with concerns particular to the United States.

    The Democrats treat illegal alien invaders as if they were American citizens. The Democrats harp on about humanitarian interventionism and the sovereignty-destroying notion of so-called “right to protect” in terms of foreign policy. The ruling class of the Democrats is just as much in favor of sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams and other transnational schemes as the Republican Party ruling class is.

    That is why the ruling class of the American Empire is using pseudo-nationalism and this “Russia — Russia — Russia” nonsense to attack President Trump. Trump, in his own way, has done more than most recent presidents to draw out the evil treasonous scum in the Deep State and the American Empire’s ruling class on the big questions of sovereignty, immigration, trade and foreign policy.

    President Trump should start talking more about how the ruling class is using fake nationalism to destroy the historic American nation. Trump should also talk more about how the ruling class uses the US military to advance the interests of the globalized plutocracy and certain other nations instead of the United States interests as a whole.

  204. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Yojimbo, John Urschel , a local Jesuit prep grad, graduated from Penn State with a Masters in Physics and played three years as a NFL tackle before retiring to pursue his Doctorate. Not too many jocks like that around. His surgeon dad and nurse doctor didn’t want him to play football.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  205. @Another German Reader

    Another, Hmmmm…Fredrickburg University Colored Kollege.

  206. @Jack D

    Jack, my oldest daughter lives in Bucks County,Pa. We have driven to Princeton to walk around the town, nice place. Driving through NJ was like another world.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
  207. JimB says:

    If you went to Harvard, and are rich, you just can’t tell people your kid went to Podunk U. They’d think you ain’t so bright yourself

    Perhaps, but most parents, including Harvard grads, want their kids to have the same good things they had. Many feel a prestigious college opened the doors of opportunity for them.

  208. Anon[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    I think an unstated factor here is that if you have a rich slutty daughter, it is still important to keep her away from STDs. STDs are more common among the lower class. God knows how many well-known black rappers have them. Even for a rich girl, getting HIV or drug-resistant gonorrhea is a real problem.

    Black men are nine times more likely than white men to have gonorrhea. Chlamydia, which is very common among black women and men, can cause uterine cancer (a silent killer) and premature babies. And premature babies, if you remember, tend to be low-IQ because their brains didn’t develop properly. Black men are seven times more likely to have chlamydia than white men. For rich families with a self-indulgent daughter, protecting her from having sex with low-class males is very important, especially black men.

  209. JimB says:

    Harvard had their share of math dummies and kids with 1050 SATs. Not a big share, but big enough that they had algebra and precalulus courses with full enrollment, often taught by undergrads who got an A in first year calculus. John John was probably a complete academic no-hoper with undetectable math skills.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
    , @Hibernian
  210. Lot says:
    @Jim Christian

    Your daughter and her friends are not typical.

    “Two kids or more” at 29? That is above what the typical white woman ever has.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Travis
    , @Anonymous
  211. res says:

    6 out of the 33 parents charged so far are Harvard grads.

    That’s an interesting statistic. Did anyone look at other colleges like that? How many of those Harvard grads were married to each other?

    Doesn’t say much for the kids given the preference they would have gotten at Harvard as legacies.

  212. Lot says:

    “Upper class women don’t have big city prestige jobs”

    They generally do in their 20s after finishing college or grad school.

    And the question was about “assortive mating” at top colleges, which simply doesn’t happen as much.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Desiderius
  213. Jack D says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    The places that look the absolute worst nowadays are smaller old industrial cities – Camden, NJ, Trenton, NJ, Reading, PA, etc. They have nothing going for them. If the Chinese had bombed them instead of just stealing all their jobs it wouldn’t have been any worse.

  214. Anon[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    That’s a win-win situation. Violent dogs and idiot owner are both dead. Previous victim can sue the owner’s estate, which will likely pay up without contesting.

  215. res says:

    And the question was about “assortive mating” at top colleges, which simply doesn’t happen as much.

    Do you have any good data about this? It is looking like that was a short lived phenomenon starting when women began attending college in large numbers and ending when?

    Here is a paper about assortative mating by major:
    Is that the new thing?

    • Agree: Desiderius
  216. Ibound1 says:

    That’s how you should pick a doctor. If you find a White Gentile Male, not the child of alumni, who made it into a top Med School, you KNOW that guy is very good indeed.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  217. Marty says:
    @Jack D

    What did you think of the first sentence of that ABA article?
    All criminal acts contain a component of dishonesty.
    Seems to me that a thick slice of the crimes on any big city court calendar would involve no dishonesty at all, but rather just an absence of self-control. “He disrespected me (my girl.. my Mom Grandma)

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  218. Jack D says:

    The average age of marriage for college grads is over 30. So not only don’t they have 2 kids at 29, they aren’t even married yet and have zero kids at that age. The average age at which they have 2 kids is never, as you say.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  219. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:

    The boys were adopted from Russia? Are we importing black kids from Russia now? How are there black orphans in Russia?

  220. @Jack D

    The equivalent thereof. They sure aren’t busting their balls downtown, I’ll guarantee you that.

  221. @Jack D

    The upper class is by definition not average. They didn’t get where they are by following dysgenic trends, they got there by fooling their competition into doing so.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  222. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    UTA very competitive. These best large state universities, Texas, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, the big 3 UC are rejecting 80% of applicants.

    • Replies: @jon
    , @Trevor H.
    , @Thea
  223. @Jack D

    Hey, I’m not the one who’s paranoid here. Princeton is in fact pretty bucolic. It’s not like Trenton is across the street.

  224. @JimB

    The difference between Harvard and brown at that time was that brown had dropped the composition requirement for courses in 1969. So he did not even need to take a simple math course at brown.

    • Replies: @res
  225. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Both, but Princeton specifically have no large professional schools. A strict undergraduate experience so no ingratiating yourself with the faculty etc. and working the grad 7 year program.

    Institute for Advanced Study serves the students who are clearly going to pursue academia and want exposure to varied scholars. Einstein and Keenan amongst others lived there until their deaths.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  226. Hail says: • Website

    Maybe they just don’t know?

    A fool and his money are — I forget how the rest of that goes, but as I recall it doesn’t turn out well for the fool.

  227. @Lot

    I think you’re confusing upper with upper-middle and even then putting too much stock in the Times society pages.

    As has ever been, the true cream aren’t much for publicity.

  228. Jack D says:

    The rich are not immune from the trends that affect our society. Onassis, one of the richest men in the world, has 1 living descendant and she is 34 and divorced and childless and so his line will probably die with her.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @guest
    , @Anon
    , @Ed
  229. @Ibound1

    I’ve had good luck with Jews too.

  230. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Affluent women have fled the workplace en masse. If your husband is a prosperous doctor lawyer businessman the idea of sitting in an office all day is farce. Its lunch, yoga, soccer practice wine and womens organizations now.

    • Replies: @Flip
  231. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack Armstrong

    From the time when you push on a pull door,
    And leave your hot stove on,
    There’s too much to keep track of
    So just toss it in a big ol’ pile
    It doesn’t spark joy but it sure takes your love!
    Some say, has anyone really been as far as;
    Some say, there’s no feeling if you wear a condom;
    But you got to know
    As your dog of peace swallows your toe
    Somebody else will clean up!
    It’s the Circle of Dumb
    It’s a wheel of fortune
    because gambling is dumb
    When you jaywalk
    When you talk in a movie
    You fit like a fork in a socket
    In the Circle, the Circle of Dumb.

  232. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    …is she at all hot er ?

  233. anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @bored identity

    When you strike at the king, you must kill him.

  234. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    … so you are in contact with the russians ?


    – A. Schiff

  235. @Jack D

    Money dne class.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  236. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    They actually dont play that game. Have their own thing running.

  237. Clyde says:

    As far as I can tell this 11 year old killer was not adopted or fostered by this family. He is not one of the children in the photo.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  238. Travis says:

    unusual today for American women to have any children by age 30

    The latest US Census Fertility Report found that for the first time in reported history over half (54 percent) of women ages 25-29 are childless and a record 32 percent of American women ages 30 to 34 haven’t given birth.

    the statistics for white women are even worse, 60% of white women were childless at age 30 and less than half are married

  239. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @L Woods

    Young people are having a lot less sex than 10-15 years ago. Mostly because young people are so addicted to their smartphones that they don’t party much anymore. So sexual opportunities are scarce if you’re not in a serious relationship.

    When everyone spends their Friday night at home on their smartphones, casual sex becomes hard to get.

    Millenials aren’t more sexually conservative or traditional. They’re just really absorbed with their smartphones. Getting laid is a distraction from taking selfies.

    That’s why Roosh and Roissy struggle.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @HA
  240. @Charles Pewitt

    Heather Nauert drinks beer, unlike the half Kraut drinkwater dope in the White House who had the decency to admit that he would run amok if his lips touched a drop of booze or beer or wine.

    Drinkwater dope Trumpy pushes nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens.

    Perhaps that’s the way to appeal to his American side. Alcohol destroyed his brother’s life. Immigration is like alcohol– fine in moderation, deadly in overuse. And it destroys families.

    The SPLC bitches that we demean immigration with watery metaphors– flooding and the like. We, and Donald, can just reply, we want irrigation, not inundation.

  241. guest says:
    @Jack D

    Not merely one of the richest, but a notorious playboy.

  242. Jack D says:

    Look, you can play all the “No True Scotsman” games you want, but if you are looking for the guy born in the last century who has the most living descendants (the most “eugenic”) he’s not going to be named Vanderbilt or Rockefeller, it’s going to be some black guy or an ultra-Orthodox rebbe or maybe some Amish guy, none of whom have 2 nickels to rub together.

  243. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    How many descendants does Bill Clinton have?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Flip
  244. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I agree with you. It goes without saying these discussions are largely anachronistic. Certainly nothing any of the faculty would remotely contemplate. Concern is that the inverse may arise in other less ethical peoples.

    These were, after all, speaking of anachronisms, faculty assembled to educate protestant ministry in the pre revolutionary times.

    Ive a sense that none of this BS, or far less,occurs among the graduate faculty that somewhat hand select students. Even for the time being the Humanities who are intensely rigorous among themselves in the best faculty.

  245. res says:

    One might say Brown was ahead of its time. This is a fun article from the Crimson:
    Quantitative Reasoning
    Pay Lip Service to a Vitally Important Skill

  246. tr says: • Website
    @Father O'Hara

    Search dr dre net worth. Apple bought the headphone biz for 3 billion.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  247. jon says:

    the big 3 UC

    The Big 3? 1. Berkeley 2. UCLA 3. ???

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  248. Jack D says:

    Not true. The authorities are not saying it was the 11 year old adopted child because of juvenile protection laws, but it almost certainly was if you read between the lines.

    BTW, the kids are not a vibrant as they appear from the 1st blurred out photo. Here is a less blurred version:

    According to some stories, the boys were adopted from Russia (if so I’m guessing the Caucasus) but this could be wrong. But they definitely don’t look African in this photo. Kids who are adopted from Russia often have fetal alcohol syndrome and are completely uncontrollable.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  249. L Woods says:

    Less sex but more partners, IIRC (and more grotesquely unevenly distributed than ever, at that): a dubious improvement at best.

    • Replies: @Anon
  250. @Bill P

    Sometimes it doesn’t go to plan.

    • Replies: @danand
  251. prosa123 says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Hillary Clinton, the evil baby boomer globalizer dirtbag, lives in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, in order to avoid having to live anywhere near Black people.

    Less than a mile away from heavily Hispanic Mount Kisco.

  252. Jack D says:

    Right, although it appears that Dre only netted maybe $600 million – he was not the sole owner, there were taxes, etc. Still $600 million is not chump change.

  253. Jack D says:

    3 so far, that he acknowledges. 2/3 of them are eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return. But Desiderius would tell you that Clinton is low class. In that case, I would be inclined to agree.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  254. Hank Yobo says:
    @Jack D

    Many years ago, I was surprized to learn from a very credible source that the local tradesmen and shopkeepers of Peapack, New Jersey eventually refused to do business with Jackie O because she never paid her bills. The latter’s entitlement attitude did not go down well with her neighbours. So much for noblesse oblige and Camelot.

  255. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    Yitta Schwartz had about 2000 descendants when she died at age 93:

  256. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I’m no baseball expert but my experience is that “Made The Show” is almost impressive as “had a halfway decent few years as a utility player”. You need to be HoF or in some other way notorious or exceptional to get a big status advance over that.

    Whereas with colleges I think a lot of decent engineers come out of middleweight schools: they’re the guys who love to build stuff, tinker, experiment, make it work. The best EE I ever worked for, and by far, went to a middleweight school, graduated top third but not top tenth, and absolutely loved to fix, build, modify stuff. He drove a pickup he’d rebuilt and rewired and had built a pretty impressive electronic organ that emulated a Wurlitzer theatre organ. He was to RF analog design almost what John Moses Browning was to firearms. He could build a radio out of a dead toaster and some garage sale junk in an afternoon and it would achieve very impressive lab performance.

    Another employer hired a genuine MIT engineer and paid him a lot out of school. Nice guy, loved talking to him-he was all about the hacker culture there, had known Stallman and the Symbolics crew, et al-but was merely another pretty good engineer when it came to building stuff. I built out several of his designs and had to tweak RC values to get it to align OK , a couple were way more complicated than the common cookbook circuits with little benefit I could see. But they worked, and he was a nice guy, and we got to say we had a MIT guy there. He did explain some of the fine points of LISP, but I never liked actually writing it (Autodesk AutoLISP was big then) any more than I liked writing raw PostScript.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jim Don Bob
  257. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Gronk has more sense than that . He’s a lot smarter than he appears. He’s also really thrifty.

  258. Flip says:

    I’ve always thought being a SAHM would be a pretty good life as long as your husband makes a lot of money.

  259. Flip says:

    That depends on how you view Mr. Hubbell’s daughter…

  260. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Unless of course it’s entirely fallacious and self serving and obviates the previous decade or two of assertions.

    Get a job

  261. Flip says:
    @Jack D

    I seem to remember reading that Jackie did challenge and got a settlement from Christina with negotiating help from Teddy.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  262. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Whatever happened to the “sweet spot”-leave some important ideas and works and a modest number of high quality kids who will take those ideas even further? The Duggars are no particular ornament ot society, but a few scientific families have, and bad or good entertainment/acting families like the Redgraves, Barrymores, Fondas, have left their mark.

    Turning out a lot of bio descendants who are dumb or too clannish or unproductive just means leaving a mess.

  263. @Peripatetic Commenter

    I , for one am not tired of all the winning. I guess that another campaign pledge broken.

  264. Almost 24 hours and 225 comments later, bored identity is, like the rest of y’all, still clueless about the Mystery Helicopter Money Throwing Parent….

    But the real mystery of the day is why who-whom allowed 96 year old federal judge in Southern District of New York to be in charge of regulating anything else besides his own regularity ?

    Robert Workman Sweet died yesterday.

    Judge Sweet served as senior Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York for the last 40 years.

    Since We,The People Can Not Handle The Truth, Sweet’s wikipedia page is moderated by swampy go lucky taxidermist whose decision to use Judge’s picture that was taken during the Carter administration speaks for itself:

    Why do MSM notoriously bader-ginsburgize highly positioned jurists whose age under normal circumstamces would disqualify them from even greeting shoppers at Walmart ?

    “…Sweet was known in the legal community for keeping mentally sharp in his later years and staying in shape by ice skating.”

    “…With a knee replacement and a concussion in his past, he suits up with a helmet and kneepads before taking the ice for his morning figure skating workouts at Sky Rink, where on Tuesday he jokingly second-guessed his decision to be photographed skating.

    “Obviously, the concussion affected my judgment — oops, I shouldn’t say that, given my day job,” he said, referring to his position since 1978 as a federal judge in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York.”

    NYP was not particulary interested to tell us that late Judge Sweet was married to Adele Hall , who was a great-granddaughter of Jacob Schiff, and a daughter of NYP publisher Dorothy Schiff :

  265. @Desiderius

    Judging by his history, its either gonna be a porn star or Sports Illustrated Swimsuit model.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  266. @Buffalo Joe

    What does Urschel have to do with Gronk? Gronk has also publicly admitted that he last read a book at age 14.

  267. Jack D says:

    Yes, I think in the end she got $26 million or something like that. A substantial sum but nothing compared to his billions.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  268. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    All the right stuff. # MAGA

  269. @Jack D

    Jack, the Ultra-orthodox rebbe business is reasonably lucrative, if you’re talking about hasidic rebbes. If you’re talking about Lithuanian/Yeshiva types, not as much. The late Rabbi Y.S. Elyashiv, who was an only child ,had over 1500 living descendants ,when he died in 2012

  270. Lurker says:

    Hasn’t Dre overpaid? From prior discussions here on iSteve I’m sure the tariff must be lower than $70 million.

  271. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @L Woods

    They actually have fewer partners too. Fewer than Xers or Boomers.

    While many Millenials will occasionally have an encounter with a casual partner or someone who they met on Tinder, they usually don’t have anything approaching a real sex life. Even if they have 2-3 new partners per year, their sexual frequency is very low.

    Lots of Millenial women find sex to be unpleasant and awkward. They may sexually experiment once in a while, but they’re generally prudish. So sex happens once in a while, but it isn’t fun anymore.

    Less desirable men are the biggest losers in today’s sexual market. A lot of them have very limited sexual options and have to settle for whatever they can get. Many go through very long bouts of painful celibacy.

    The sexual market was dysfunctional back 10 years ago, but at least lots of sex was available to an average young guy. So young guys were happy. The sexual market remains dysfunctional, but the sex has really dried up.

    Today’s sexual market has the worst of both worlds. It has the premarital sexual frustration of a conservative society, but the sexual anarchy of a “liberated” society. The situation is bad enough that a surprisingly high percentage of young men are nostalgic for the 50s.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  272. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    “Only $250,000 per year.”

    How horrible. I hope she didn’t go hungry at night.

  273. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:

    The average SAT score for entering USC freshmen is 1425. Even the lower 25th percentile average 1350.

    When a school has such high admission statistics, the entering student body tends to be nerdy and grindish. These academically-minded admits care more about internships and grad school than wild keggers. They go out at night, but they’re usually tame.

    When entrance statistics are so high, the party crowd gets filtered out. That has a calming effect on the campus. The type of raucous kids who in back in the 80s&90s could never make it in these days.

    There are a few kids who get in with mediocre scores, but they’re usually NAMs. Slacker White kids need not apply at USC these days.

    So I agree that USC could be a fun place to party. The problem is getting in.

    USC still gets lots of rich kids, but these are the top students from prep schools. Not the traditional jock types. Those types end up in CC.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    , @GU
  274. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:

    By Ivy standards, USC is a party school. So if you’re a 1400 SAT kid deciding between Yale and USC, go to USC.

    Just don’t expect USC to be anything like ASU.

    Lori Loughlin’s daughter mentioned that she didn’t like participating in the USC campus (other than football games) and wanted to go to ASU instead. I don’t know why she felt this way, but I’d bet it’s because the social/partying experience didn’t match her image of the university. USC’s nerdish/grindish kids alienated her.

    USC offers a decent enough party scene for the SERIOUS student, but most college kids would be happier elsewhere. If your daughter wants something like ASU, USC is a very bad choice. If your daughter wants a more fun version of Princeton, then USC is fine.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Captain Tripps
  275. danand says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Maybe it went exactly as planned:

    “In 2018 Boehner joined the board of Acreage Holdings, a cannabis corporation, to promote the medical use of cannabis and advocate for federal de-scheduling of the drug (a shift from his previous stance while in Congress).”

  276. @Anon

    “Not the traditional jock types. Those types end up in CC.”

    Or, if you’re Richard Sherman, they end up at Stanford. Also, the jocks would be more inclined toward UCLA, which, for the longest time, has the most NCAA Championships (if you add up all its sports, FB; BB; baseball; golf; etc). Stanford is second. Apparently USC is bringing up the rear in NCAA championships. Never been quite the same ever since OJ left.

    • Replies: @petit bourgeois
  277. @Jack D

    And Christina was the heir. If only Jackie could’ve produced a male offspring, perhaps that would’ve helped her cause.

  278. Jack D says:

    Apparently Loughlin’s daughter didn’t want to attend college at all, let alone yucky USC with all those nerds and foreigners nowadays. She is blaming her parents for ruining her life and for the 1st time in history a teenage girl will be right about this.

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Anon
  279. Jack D says:

    Lots of Millenial women find sex to be unpleasant

    The first mammals in 160 million years not to enjoy sex. That way lies extinction.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  280. HA says:

    “Young people are having a lot less sex than 10-15 years ago.”

    A lot less sex with each other, maybe. But to the extent that watching porn — and, uh, certain activities associated with it — still count as sex, then, no.

    Also, the sex that they are having is getting riskier.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  281. Clyde says:
    @Jack D

    Thanks much. I read just the one account linked by J Ross. 11 years old. Amazing!

  282. @Jack D

    Quality has a quantity all its own.

  283. @Jack D

    He’s middle middle. We have our really smart outliers now and again.

  284. @Jack D

    That’s the plan post-Jaffe.

    Some of us dissent.

  285. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D


    Her first choice was ASU. If she had gone there, she’d be much happier today. ASU is a better fit for her personality and interests. The university campus in Tempe has lots of parties and is full of attractive people, with academics getting minimal emphasis. She would’ve felt at home on campus.

    USC was like that back in the early 90s. Perhaps when Loughlin forced her daughter to attend USC, she assumed it was still that way. So she thought her daughter would fit in. She didn’t realize her daughter would would be going to a school very different from what she imagined….

  286. Ed says:
    @Jack D

    Regardless he would have been a slave at Princeton. Southerners generally retained all rights to slaves they brought with them to the North. Some states had limits on how long you could keep them in the state. Washington got mixed up with this in Pennsylvania where he had to rotate slaves every 6 months. Several high profile slaves, his cook and a light skinned female house slave fled when they were posted in PA.

    • Replies: @dvorak
    , @Jack D
  287. Simon says:
    @Jack D

    Just learned, to my dismay, that Brown has become the first Ivy school whose student body has voted in favor of BDS (divestment from Israel) — 69 percent in favor, no less. (I’m sure a few folks on this site wish it were even higher.) The university’s normally pusillanimous administration — for now, at least — intends to ignore the vote.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  288. dvorak says:

    Several high profile slaves, his cook and a light skinned female house slave fled when they were posted in PA.

    Julia Roberts’ voice – “Big mistake. Huge!” Those misguided slaves could have made it all the way to the White House, had they stayed loyal to their master.

  289. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Marriage is a whole different ballgame.

  290. benjaminl says:

    Whereas a few years ago Roissy et al had (on the eyes of young men) an apparent monopoly on Sex Realism, now there are writers like Dalrock, Aaron Renn / The Masculinist, and Alastair Roberts who incorporate their true insights (hypergamy, sexual market value etc.) into an overall Christian perspective.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  291. anon[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    I’ve interviewed Jewesses from NYC for Dartmouth grad school. The overwhelming complaint was, “where do you shop around here?!” Indeed, the shopping options were and still are extremely limited around Hanover, especially compared to NYC. They were also not fans of the outdoorsy lifestyle and the cold.

  292. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    Wouldn’t it be more accurate, statistically, to say that these three schools are approximately equally Jewish? BTW, when my sister went there in the ’70s, Wash U. of St. Louis had a lot of Jewish kids and a lot of Southern kids. The latter quite likely because of its Border State location; the former possibly related to its Unitarian roots.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  293. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    The historically more Jewish elite schools seem to be the more urban ones: U of C, Penn, Columbia, NYU, Wash. U. of St. L. In the mid 80s I met a few U of C undergraduates from small towns through a church group; I don’t think they were very typical. Hyde Park would have to be more than a little bit of a culture shock for an 18 year old from a small town; Chicago was a bit of a culture shock for me at 21 even though we visited Grandma and Grandpa there regularly as kids, Mom and Dad grew up there, and I had a bunch of uncles, aunts, and cousins there. I think to go to one of the above mentioned schools, especially the ones in really large cities, it would help to come from a large city, not necessarily the one in which the school is located, or at least its suburbs. With the exception of some Sunbelt cities, these skew Jewish and/or Catholic, and the Catholic kids tend more to go to Catholic or state schools.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  294. Trevor H. says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Don’t believe everything you read.

  295. Hibernian says:

    Princeton is very close to Trenton, sort of close to Philly, and not far from NYC. The immediate environs are suburban to exurban.

  296. Trevor H. says:

    Did you really say Florida?

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
  297. Hibernian says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Bernie’s from Brooklyn, not the Bronx.

  298. Hibernian says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Perhaps it should be “Jexit.” Also, while the original upper case Exodus was Jewish, there have been, since then, many lower case exodii.

  299. Pericles says:

    Looks like Elder Daughter had to pay her dues even so.

    In the fall of 2016, Malia went on an 83-day trip to Bolivia and Peru.[43] In February 2017, Malia started an internship for Harvey Weinstein at The Weinstein Company film studio in New York City.[44] In August 2017, Malia started attending Harvard University.[45]

    I recall seeing some paparazzi pics of her smoking weed and making out with white boys. Daddy’s girl.

  300. APilgrim says:

    $6.5M should be enough to endow your own faculty chair, and sit in it.

    The school can add a throw-away Ph.D in: Ethnic, Climate, Diversity Studies.

    Why bother matriculating as a Freshman?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  301. Pericles says:

    20 years ago it only cost Jared Kushner’s dad $2.5 million to get Jared into Harvard. …

    Inflation adjusted, that $2.5 mil would be $4.5 m today. But then again, thanks to the last 20 years of cheap credit and wealth inflation on Wall Street, the real equivalent is probably $25m today. John Paulson had to donate $400m to get his kids in.

    “Never pay retail, goy.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  302. Hibernian says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In the 60s, possibly in ’68, some wag said the best compromise ticket would be Wallace/McCarthy or McCarthy/Wallace. The Left would think it was Henry and Gene and the Right would think it was George and Joe. This was slightly complicated by the fact that Joe was dead and possibly so was Henry.

  303. Hibernian says:

    In general they’ll have very good lawyers.

  304. @APilgrim

    Can you endow your own chair? If you won the lottery could you endow your own professorship?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @FredR
    , @JimB
  305. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    Caroline Kennedy had a JD, don’t know if she even sat for the bar, never had any kind of professional job until she became Ambassador to Japan, unless allegedly coauthoring a book on the right to privacy counts.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  306. Hibernian says:

    Even at Harvard and other elite schools, do humanities or even social science majors have to take real math and/or chemistry and/or physics?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  307. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve noticed that college grads who get married and have children at relatively young ages often seem to be more attractive, popular, better adjusted, and happier than those who get married and have children later, or who never get married or have children.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  308. Jack D says:

    There has recently been some new research regarding Hercules, Washington’s chef. At some point, he was sent back to Mt. Vernon and assigned to field work, probably as a punishment for preparing to escape (his son had been caught stealing money, probably to fund an escape although who knows, maybe he was just stealing). At that point, he really did escape and disappeared off the map (the portrait that is often seen of “Hercules” is really that of some man in Haitian dress – chefs in those days did not wear chef’s whites). Washington was then left without a chef and had a lot of trouble finding a replacement, free or enslaved – there was not a lot of cooking talent available in the young country. Years later after Washington’s death he was spotted but at that point Martha Washington was preparing to free all of her slaves and no longer wanted him back.

    Assigning him to do field work was a big mistake. Slavery was an effed up institution and led to poor decision making on both sides. If he had just paid Hercules a market wage, everyone would have been better off, including Hercules.

    I don’t know what the NJ law was on emancipation but it was less liberal than a lot of the northern states (southern NJ is as far south as Washington, DC). Even after you were freed you were bound to a term of years as an indentured servant. At the end of the Civil War, there were still a dozen or so slaves left in NJ.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  309. Jack D says:

    At MIT they do. Theoretically, all freshman have to take the same courses, but in reality they have separate sections so that the physics geniuses don’t have to sit in the same class as the humanities majors and the affirmative action admits.

  310. Jack D says:

    From the wiki: After graduating, Kennedy was hired as a research assistant in the Film and Television Department of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York.

    Not a typical job for a JD from Columbia. But she did meet her Jewish husband Schlossberg there.

    How many recent US Presidents have Jewish descendants? There’s Trump, Clinton, Kennedy. I know that FDR has a descendant who’s a rabbi. Anyone else?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  311. Jack D says:

    Nowadays everyone lives in the dorms but back in the day (pre-WWII), even a lot of the urban Ivies had large enrollments of commuters. If you were a bright upper middle class Jewish (or Italian, etc.) kid in Philly then you would go to Penn. In NY, Columbia, in Boston, Harvard, etc. A little poorer you would go to the state school (Temple, City College) and a little poorer than that you would work and not go to college at all. Maybe there were a handful of rich German Jews who could afford to send their kid to boarding schools but the great mass of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants didn’t have that kind of spare cash and it wasn’t expected anyway – all your friends would be doing the same thing.

  312. Jack D says:

    The administration put out a very sensible response that their endowment is managed (by third party advisers) in order to obtain an optimal return so that they can fund their educational mission and not as a political tool. And that as an institution dedicated to the free exchange of ideas, they don’t support boycotts in general. But this all sounds very Boomerish. I can only imagine that in another 10 or 20 years the Brown administration will be as woke as the student body. Once the president of Brown wears a hijab, those principles will mean nothing to her.

  313. Jack D says:

    According to the denizens of unz, all 3 schools are 110% Jewish (well, except for the blacks and Asians and a lot of them are really Jewish hapas) so it’s fair to say that they are all equally Jewish. Anyone who says that it’s less than 110% is lying.

  314. @Anon

    All colleges are party schools to one degree or another. The elites at the Ivies can party just as much as everyone else at the other ranges of the college student bell curve. Remember the drug and alcohol fueled parties mentioned/depicted in Zuckerberg’s “The Social Network”. Being elites, they can function at higher levels while recovering from the poisons they put in their body than us mere normals can. I sure am glad that Stewart Adams, partying English chemist graduate of University of Nottingham, was spurred (in part) to develop ibuprofen as a remedy to too much drinking at the pub with the fellas.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
  315. Jack D says:

    TBH, they didn’t kill anyone. Most of them have clean records up until now. “Honest services fraud” is sort of a hokey crime – a 1 line addition to the mail fraud statute that was added in response to a Supreme Court decision and one that was really aimed at corrupt public officials (although the statutory language is overbroad and includes everyone, not just gov. officials). It’s hard to say why these acts were Federal crimes to begin with – we have 50 robust state governments who are supposed to deal with such matters. Why are these parents being schlepped from California to Boston to answer for their “crimes” when they never set foot in MA? Is this what the Founding Fathers had in mind for the Federal government to do?

    So if the parents and coaches get probation and fines it wouldn’t be the worst outcome in the world. They are going to pay a heavy price anyway. It’s going to cost them a ton of legal fees even if they are found innocent. Their careers have been damaged – good luck finding another coaching job. Their kids will probably end up getting expelled and hate them.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  316. Jack D says:
    @Captain Tripps

    You’re right that it’s a difference in degree, but that can make a big difference. At a place like Harvard, the partying is mainly during the weekend. At a place like ASU, the weekend starts on Thursday and ends on Tuesday. At a place like Harvard, there is a substantial minority that is not involved in the party scene at all. At ASU, virtually everyone is. Etc.

    • Agree: Captain Tripps
  317. GU says:

    Disagree with the general thrust of your point. If you’re smart enough to get into USC on the merits as a non-Jewish white kid, you are smart enough to get good college grades while still partying 2-3 nights a week. This is more true than ever with grade inflation and the dumbing down of curricula due to the floood of AA admits and foreigners who don’t speak English very well. And developing social skills and a network is a big part of future success, as smart kids know.

    Also, SC still has enough rich party kids, including most of the jocks, to provide a good party atmosphere. It’s not ASU, but to say that USC *has to be* a joyless grind like CalTech is simply inaccurate.

    Shorter reply: many smart kids also like to get drunk, dance, sleep around, etc.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  318. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke

    I abhor black on yellow crime.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  319. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    He would end up in Federal prison working for .14 cents an hour ironically.

    Odd that both Trump and Clinton had daughters that married into families of Jewish financial and political swindlers.

    You cant control your daughter in this era I suppose…. unless you pay to get them into USC heh heh

  320. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Captain Tripps

    Couple exceptions. University of Chicago, Brigham Young.

  321. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Absolutely not. Tenure track professorships are vetted at every stage. Unimaginable unless youve a PHD and written extensively in the field. You get quasi goon or rich celebs like Obama who are visiting lecturers or variations of that title. Axelrod, an old neighbor of mine, has a small center at Chicago now. Public policy bla bla

  322. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I mean you could vaguely describe Ivanka’s children as half ethnically Jewish, though Jared clearly has some European antecedents. She is German, Scots and Czech obviously.

  323. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    You a real good observer !

    I mean not @isteve level but hey

  324. Hibernian says:

    If they think their kids will be buddies with the Kennedys they’re foolish indeed, however, they are probably sending them for the education and the institution’s prestigious name on their resume, that’s why my aunt and uncle sent my cousin (who didn’t graduate) to the U of Chicago. Also to hang around with, not the Kennedys, but smart, mostly upper middle class, kids, instead of bums like the ones they had plenty of dealings with in high school.

  325. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Now outside of horse country and Princeton its all jews and Italians….smh

    • Replies: @Lot
  326. @L Woods

    I’m talking about the marriage market. Avoiding the market spoils the goods, especially for women.

    The secondary market is women who didn’t figure it out in time or those who choose poorly/unluckily in the primary (i.e. divorcees).

  327. @Precious


    The two become one and utterly blow out those who neglected to.

  328. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    And Lori Laughlin’s days playing a goody two shoes/ butt kicking babe amateur detective are over.

  329. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Not when it comes to rugby. Cal has the most NCAA titles, but hasn’t seen the Rose Bowl since 1959.

  330. JimB says:

    Nobody challenged me on how Harvard knew about John John’s academic record before he applied. I suspect that the guidance department at Phillips Andover, where John John was enrolled, tipped off Byerly Hall.

  331. JimB says:

    Nobody challenged me on how Harvard knew about John John’s academic record before he applied. I suspect that the guidance department at Phillips Andover, where John John was enrolled, tipped off Byerly Hall.

  332. sayless says:
    @Redneck farmer

    The people running Notre Dame aren’t much trying to pretend anymore…

  333. Ed says:
    @Jim Christian

    She was photographed recently in a bikini, there’s nothing fat about her including her ass.

  334. Ed says:
    @Jack D

    Someone in the marriage must have been infertile as Onassis’s granddaughter was married at 20 and divorced after 15 years of marriage.

  335. @Anon

    Not to worry about USC. Carol Folt will work wonders there since there won’t be any Confederate monuments on campus to distract her.

  336. @Anonymous

    He did explain some of the fine points of LISP…

    Lots of Irritating Silly Parentheses.

  337. @Charles Pewitt

    Chappaqua is actually a hamlet. Not a town, village, or city.

    I went to a birthday dinner at a restaurant there, two or three years after the Arkansas ramblers blew in. The locals told us that the Secret Service paid a visit and told the proprietor that certain alterations would have to be made before the Clintons could be allowed to eat there.

    They were never made.

  338. @Anonymous

    I abhor black on yellow crime.

    So do these guys, with several examples given:

  339. @HA

    But to the extent that watching porn…


  340. Thea says:

    Florida accepted me so they can’t be that competitive.

  341. FredR says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Lol. “Steve Sailer, Steve Sailer professor of race, class, gender and sexuality, Pomona College.”

  342. @Jack Armstrong

    “Have this commentariat ever figured out if “pit bulls” are actually dangerous?”

    If I recall, the conclusion seemed to be that as a breed yeah, they were kinda dangerous. There are other breeds more dangerous, but those are rare breeds, while pit bulls are very common now.

    Also, the statistics may camouflage the danger somewhat. A Yorkie might be just as aggressive as Pit ( = “one bite” in stat world), but the Yorkie bite is minor while the Pit bite can be fatal.

  343. JimB says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure! But you need to buy a refereed academic journal too that will overlook your lackluster scholarship and accept a paper from you no less than once a year. That way the university has cover for why you are sitting in your office all the time playing video games, looking at internet memes, or reading Harry Potter novels.

  344. OFWHAP says:
    @Trevor H.

    The University of Florida is now a highly regarded school and may even rank as high as if not higher than Texas nowadays.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  345. @OFWHAP


    Grade inflation isn’t just for students.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  346. Trevor H. says:

    UF is now considered one of the best schools in the state! By people in Florida.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  347. @Trevor H.

    Sry, Florida man has a long way to go to get any credibility from the other 49.

    Party on, Gainesville!

  348. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    Can you crowdsource it and get an answer? I’m curious.

  349. @L Woods

    More proof that ‘blue pillers” are smug, vindictive assholes who deserve all the exploitation/divorce rape that comes to them.

    Sure thing, psycho. On the outside looking in as you obviously are sure looks good to a woman. Yours is a winning attitude. Blue pill, red pill, why don’t you grow the fuck up? The metaphor is worn out. It was a movie. Somehow half the boys in the US are blaming their deficiencies on everyone but themselves.

    Wanna be Red Pill? Forget college. Learn a trade, become politically bulletproof and so in demand no one can hurt you. Figure it out, grow up. There is a war on White guys, why on earth would dummy White guys go into the arena they are hated most, college, and then claim everyone is Blue Pill, except for themselves of course? You’re still Blue Pill. How do I know? You’re still bitching. Figuring out the game isn’t the same as winning it. You aren’t Red Pill for noticing your disadvantage, you’ll be Red Pill for overcoming.

  350. Lot says:

    “Now outside of horse country and Princeton its all jews and Italians”

    Not really.

    There are a lot of big corporate HQs in random parts of north and central NJ and they transfer executive staff from all over the world there.

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