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From the New York Times’ “Overlooked No More” column where they give obituaries to women whom they previously overlooked due to systemic sexism:

Overlooked No More: Valerie Solanas, Radical Feminist Who Shot Andy Warhol

She made daring arguments in “SCUM [Society for Cutting Up Men] Manifesto,” her case for a world without men. But her legacy as a writer and thinker was overshadowed by one violent act.

By Bonnie Wertheim
June 26, 2020

Overlooked is a series of obituaries about remarkable people whose deaths, beginning in 1851, went unreported in The Times. This month we’re adding the stories of important L.G.B.T.Q. figures.

On June 3, 1968, Valerie Solanas walked into Andy Warhol’s studio, the Factory, with a gun and a plan to enact vengeance. What happened next came to define her life and legacy: She fired at Warhol, nearly killing him. But the incident, which reduced her to a tabloid headline, was hardly her most meaningful moment in history.

Solanas was a radical feminist (though she would say she loathed most feminists), a pioneering queer theorist and the author of “SCUM Manifesto,” in which she argued for the wholesale extermination of men.

The manifesto, self-published in 1967, reads as satire, though Solanas defended it as serious. Its opening line is at once absurd and a call to arms for the coalition she was forming, the Society for Cutting Up Men:

Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex.

On the subject of reproduction, she wrote: “We should produce only whole, complete beings, not physical defects or deficiencies, including emotional deficiencies, such as maleness.”

She sold copies in leftist bookstores and on the streets of Greenwich Village for $1 ($2 if the buyer was a man).

… On that day in June, when she walked into Warhol’s studio, newly located at 33 Union Square West, Warhol wasn’t there. Solanas left and returned several times, until she spotted him on the sidewalk. Together they rode the building’s elevator up to the sixth floor.

Soon, there were gunshots.

In other words, gun violence broke out.

Warhol was taken to Columbus Hospital. Solanas’s bullets had punctured his stomach, liver, spleen, esophagus and lungs. At one point, the doctors pronounced him dead. (He would live for 19 more years, wearing a surgical corset to support his abdomen.)

In other words, Warhol never really recovered and eventually sort of died from his wounds at age 58, making Solanas a sort of murderer rather than just an attempted murderer.

… Her attack on Warhol fractured mainstream feminist groups, including the National Organization for Women, whose members were split on whether to defend or condemn her. Those who defended her, including the writer Ti-Grace Atkinson and the lawyer Flo Kennedy, formed the bedrock of radical feminism and presented Solanas as a symbol of female rage. The shooting became wrapped up in a larger narrative on gun violence when Senator Robert F. Kennedy was shot the next day.

That darn gun violence kept breaking out.

… She was deemed unable to stand trial and was sent for a psychiatric evaluation at Elmhurst Hospital in Queens, where she received a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia. The evaluators also noted her intelligence-test scores, which placed her in the 98th percentile.

An interesting question about a more interesting person, Andy Warhol, is: what was his IQ? Gore Vidal said “Andy Warhol is the only genius I’ve ever known with an I.Q. of 60.” And he generally tried to act dim.

On the other hand, he was immensely successful financially, and has become even more popular with the general public after his death as the clown prince who exposed the pretensions of art (while making a fortune off the pretensions of art, which makes it even better).

Looking into it, I see that Warhol graduated from imposing Carnegie-Mellon Tech in 1949. On the other hand, he didn’t major in cybernetics or whatever, but with a Bachelor of Fine Arts in commercial art. So, I’d figure he had a 3 digit IQ but not a huge one.

As I pointed out in 2016, Warhol and Trump are not hugely dissimilar figures, super salesmen with a gift for explaining how New York works in crassly simple terms. In fact, Warhol developed a crush on Trump in 1981, painting him on spec eight pictures of Trump Tower to hang in Trump Tower. But Trump refused to pay the famous artist for the unasked-for pictures because they clashed with Trump Tower’s color scheme, when enraged Andy against Donald.

 
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  1. Where you drinking when you wrote this, Steve? Good bit, but you got a bit muddy at the end. Perhaps you meant “painting 8 works on spec to hang in Trump tower, which The Donald declined to purchase because they clashed with the Tower’s decor, enraging Warhol.” I think that’s what you mean, but not exactly what is written. No harm done, just copy-editing from home.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @Kylie
  2. I’m willing to listen or read any opinion, regardless of whether I agree with it or not. That’s what brought me to and keeps me reading Unz Review. That’s how you grow and learn as a person.

    Where I draw the line is advocacy of violence. There is no place for that in a civil democratic society like the US. The casual manner in which establishment opinion like the NYT has slipped from ignoring violence, to excusing violence, to almost advocating violence really frightens me.

    It’s time for all of us to take a step back and really think about this. America isn’t perfect and has done terrible things. So has every great nation. I only hope cooler heads prevail and consider what a post-America world would look like. I find it hard to imagine a scenario that is an improvement to the current world.

  3. snorlax says:

    She was deemed unable to stand trial and was sent for a psychiatric evaluation at Elmhurst Hospital in Queens, where she received a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia. The evaluators also noted her intelligence-test scores, which placed her in the 98th percentile.

    A recent development in psychology is the discovery of a p factor for “general psychopathology,” analogous to the g factor for intelligence. A depressive, a psychopath, a paranoid schizophrenic and an autist would all have high p, while a person with no psychiatric disorders would have low p.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathology#The_p_factor

    It seems that it used to be the ruling class had high g and low p, but nowadays the ruling class has moderate g and high p.

    • Thanks: ic1000, Kronos
  4. snorlax says:

    In fact, Warhol developed a crush on Trump in 1981, painting him on spec eight pictures of Trump Tower to hang in Trump Tower. But Trump refused to pay the famous artist for the unasked-for pictures because they clashed with Trump Tower’s color scheme, when enraged Andy against Donald.

    This goes to Trump’s biggest character flaw: pointlessly alienating his friends.

  5. Anon55uu says:

    Warhol and Trump both have family connections with Slovakia too.

  6. black sea says:

    Every society has its oddballs, cranks, and visionaries. Such eccentrics are to be tolerated, and at times admired, as they confront the world in their own way and are in this sense true to themselves. With time, it sometimes becomes clear that they had a point after all.

    Every society also has its violent maniacs. Such maniacs are to be controlled and if necessary confined, not celebrated or reinterpreted or belatedly sympathized with. A healthy society should understand the difference between the one and the other, and discriminate accordingly. Apparently ours is not a healthy society, at least at its higher reaches.

  7. Normalizing and praising violence for good progressive causes and to express justified rage of the opressed

    This is just one step beyond normalizing omission, lies, and deception to cover up “minority” crime, mishaps, and IQ.
    We have to return to scientific honesty, and rigorous condemnation of violence and condemnation of dishonest reporting.

  8. El Dato says:

    New York Times: Know them by the shite they write.

    She made daring arguments in “SCUM [Society for Cutting Up Men] Manifesto,” her case for a world without men. But her legacy as a writer and thinker was overshadowed by one violent act.

    In other words, “cutting up men” and the “case for a world without men” were A-Ok. However, one little misstep off ragetwitter lead to unjust and excessive canceling by the patriarchy.

    presented Solanas as a symbol of female rage

    Where do I sign a petition for a statue?

    • Replies: @njguy73
    , @Ragno
  9. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Your concern is shared by many.

    But are you saying that “a post-America world” would be even more violent? There are millions in MENA, the Balkans, Venezuela, ad nauseum, and even here in Exceptionalia who would dispute that.

  10. Spangel says:

    I don’t object to solanas getting an obituary because she did shoot one of America’s most famous artists and cause his early death. But I object to her being portrayed in such a sympathetic light.

    I think Charles Manson should get an obituary too, but I don’t think it should be written as though his life was so much more than violence and sadism.

  11. ic1000 says:

    Solanas left and returned several times, until she spotted [Warhol] on the sidewalk. Together they rode the building’s elevator up to the sixth floor.

    Soon, there were gunshots.

    Suppose the NYT stylebook favored active verbs over the use of the passive tense. Ms. Wertheim might have written:

    “Solanas left and returned several times, until she spotted him on the sidewalk. Together they rode the building’s elevator up to the sixth floor.

    Soon, the elevator’s handgun arrived in Solanas’ hand, and pointed itself at Warhol’s belly. Despite Solanas’ finger pressing on the trigger, the gun fired itself, sending a bullet tearing through the soft tissues of his abdomen.

    The gun made a loud noise as the exsanguinating Warhol began to slump to the floor.”

    • LOL: El Dato
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  12. BB753 says:

    So, why did she choose as victim Warhol, hardly a fine specimen of “maleness”?

  13. When I read her wikipedia the thing that stands out is she died of pneumonia at age 52 in a hotel in the tenderloin which is indicative of homelessness level of poverty.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  14. Valerie Jean Solanis = Reallie onanises vaj!

  15. Even big softie Tyler Cowen started to hate in his Marginal Revolution blog after this travesty of an obituary. Hopefully it’s a harbinger of larger reaction.

  16. So, she shot Warhol because he didn’t want to produce her navel-gazing play?

    The Puritans were right to burn witches.

  17. So, if we are to believe she is worthy of rememberance despite her flaws, I suppose it would be crazy to apply that standard to someone like Christopher Columbus or Robert E. Lee.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    , @Anonymous
    , @Forbes
  18. Jack D says:

    So to sum up, here is a woman who was (but for luck and heroic medical intervention) a murderess. Someone who was clinically insane. Someone who advocated death for half the population and then when pressed on it, allowed as how sterilization would be adequate. Someone who died alone in a flophouse, half eaten by worms because no one cared if she was dead or alive until the stench alerted the other residents.

    And this woman is lauded in our supposedly greatest newspaper as an overlooked hero, someone who should be a role model for young women. Her feminist work is separate from her insanity and not a manifestation of it. Girls, don’t you want to be a feminist like Valerie Solanas when you grow up, so that you too will die alone and friendless in the world instead of surrounded by your loving family? (Her only mistake was not getting a cat (or a bunch of cats) so that they could eat her decaying flesh before the maggots got to it, but maybe the flophouse didn’t allow pets.)

    But, OTOH our statues of truly great men – Grant, Lincoln, Columbus, Jefferson, etc. should all be torn down and destroyed. The portraits of the medical giants who conquered infectious disease should all be taken down. A society with such ass-backward values deserves to die and it WILL die.

  19. anon[135] • Disclaimer says:

    a small nitpick from a CMU alum: in the 40s, it was Carnegie Tech and Mellon Institute; it didn’t become Carnegie Mellon til the 60s.

  20. anon[489] • Disclaimer says:

    So Trump is cheap for not paying whatever someone wants to sell him something that he didnt order?

    Trump is such a jerk, that lady sounds like a real hero though.

  21. WSolanas was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and that diagnosis seems correct to me. She reminds me of the guy who shot John Lennon.

    I have known quite a few paranoid schizophrenics in my lifetime starting with some who had developed the condition during World War I.

    There is a particularly interesting type of paranoid schizophrenic that I call the mad professor syndrome. These people spend a lot of their time producing obscure documents and manuscripts. One of their favorite resources for research is Readers Digest.

    They are able to impress a remarkable number of ordinary people because of their air of esoteric knowledge, but in truth they have no coherent or constructive thoughts of real value to offer anybody, and it is all a defense mechanism.

    Solanas seems to have fallen into that pattern. The story of her later life so far as it can be known seems to demonstrate frequent psychiatric hospital admissions and homelessness.

    When she was young her ramblings may have seemed like they meant something to people who were in the avant-garde scene.

    IQ type tests are pretty meaningless. I once scored at the 99.97% percentile on the ACT math test, but I’m not even any good at math compared to people who study hard sciences or even compared to several members of my family. In a population with a low average level of literacy such as the US, these days anybody who is well-read is going to score off the charts on verbal IQ ability.

    • Agree: J
    • LOL: Coemgen
  22. Anonymous[742] • Disclaimer says:

    The evaluators also noted her intelligence-test scores, which placed her in the 98th percentile.

    That sounds high, but is it really? What is its SAT equivalent?

  23. njguy73 says:

    I guess having your life depicted in a critically acclaimed independent film isn’t recognition enough.

    Google “I shot Andy Warhol film”

  24. Anonymous[742] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    But, OTOH our statues of truly great men – Grant, Lincoln, Columbus, Jefferson, etc. should all be torn down and destroyed.

    Don’t leave out Robert E. Lee.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  25. snorlax says:
    @snorlax

    I should add that p is not all bad, at least when combined with high g. It enables one to make connections and inferences (usually wrong, as in Ms. Solanas’ case, but not always) which other people would not or could not make.

    John von Neumann may have had the highest g of anyone who has ever lived, but his low-ish p meant he was never as brilliant as Newton (one-in-ten-billion g, high p) or his contemporary Einstein (one-in-100-million g, moderate-to-high p). Rommel probably had a higher g than Patton, but Patton’s much higher p made him the more brilliant of the two.

    • Replies: @res
  26. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I have known quite a few paranoid schizophrenics in my lifetime starting with some who had developed the condition during World War I.

    You were hanging around asylums in 1970?

    There is a particularly interesting type of paranoid schizophrenic that I call the mad professor syndrome. These people spend a lot of their time producing obscure documents and manuscripts. One of their favorite resources for research is Readers Digest.

    http://jfk.hood.edu/

    They produce reams of copy on the Kennedy Assassination.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  27. “Warhol was taken to Columbus Hospital. Solanas’s bullets had punctured his stomach, liver, spleen, esophagus and lungs.”

    In fact it was one bullet that did all that.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  28. Jack D says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    By their own terms, they are right to want violence. Here is the argument: no society can undergo a truly fundamental change in the old order without violence. Without violence you can have marginal changes, tinkering around the edges, you can change the drapes. There are too many vested interests that will prevent change thru democratic means. Obama was perhaps our greatest President – the man who embodied change the most. And yet he was able to accomplish very little. If you really want to start over and build a new house, you have to demolish the old one – blow it up, burn it down, take a wrecking ball to it. Then you can start fresh and build a New Order that will be a truly just society.

    The goal of the Left has always been to bring equality to all humans. Regardless of color or gender we are all created equal. Men are not superior to women in any way, nor are whites better than blacks. Beginning (mainly) after WWII, there was a movement in the US to bring about this equality peacefully thru legal reform. Laws would be passed and the courts would make rulings to enforce the promises of the Constitution and blacks and whites would attend the same schools. Men and women would have the same job opportunities. Eventually all human differences would be erased.

    Now this system has been given a fair try for several generations and it has not had the expected results. Black ghettos still exist, filled with crime, poverty and despair. Women make up only 12% of the world’s billionaires. There is no sign that these gaps are going to close soon or ever under the current system. Now an HBDer might say that these gaps are due to inborn genetic differences between groups so that they are impossible to erase, any more than white men can be trained or educated to run as fast as Usain Bolt. But the Left denies that these differences even exist. Humans are a tabula rasa and your society determines your fate.

    So if you don’t like the current outcomes, you need to change the society and as I said in the beginning, if you want to make fundamental changes in a society, the only way to really do it is thru violence.

  29. Kronos says:
    @snorlax

    It seems that it used to be the ruling class had high g and low p, but nowadays the ruling class has moderate g and high p.

    That’s a pretty common staple of the post-1960s New Left. Not only were “the inmates running the asylum” (Asylum reform) but running one of the biggest political parties in the US. Phyllis Chesler often wrote that the women’s movement was filled to the gills with mentally unstable women. (I believe the chick that shot Warhol had a phone conversation with Chesler and tried to pass Phyllis chocolate despite being 600 miles away.) The fact that it’s deemed politically easier to ban guns rather than lock up the crazies again tells of substantial political influence and organization.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  30. Wilkey says:

    She made daring arguments in “SCUM [Society for Cutting Up Men] Manifesto,” her case for a world without men. But her legacy as a writer and thinker was overshadowed by one violent act.

    Oh my gosh, her nonsense philosophy was overshadowed by murdering someone? How awful for her.

    It reminds me of the old joke about the man talking to some stranger in a bar about all of the the good things he’s done. “No one remembers me for any of that, though. But you f–k one sheep…”

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  31. Ano says:

    So, when and where is her statue going up?

    Does anybody know? The NYT doesn’t say.

    I was going to suggest next to the statue of Lenin, but I think, vis a vis Vlad, the manifesto and violence of Val makes her too sane and conservative for one of Seattle’s empty plinths.

  32. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    In a population with a low average level of literacy such as the US, these days anybody who is well-read is going to score off the charts on verbal IQ ability.

    IQ tests are based on population norms and are periodically “renormed” so that the average score is always 100, whether the population is getting smartified or dummified. Because of the so-called Flynn Effect, average IQ scores actually rose during most of the 20th century.

    A full-scale IQ score reflects more than just being well read. There are IQ-like tests such as Raven’s Matrices that don’t even require the ability to read and whose results correlate very well with more comprehensive IQ tests. In short your comment betrays an ignorance of how IQ testing really works.

    Your ACT score was probably right, or close to it. The ACT is not meant to separate math geniuses from those with merely well above average math ability – it ceilings out at say the 99th percentile but to be a math genius you have to have math ability at the 1 in 10,000 level and as far as the ACT is concern, math ability at the 99.0000% level is the same as math ability at the 99.9999% level. This is like saying that a measuring tape is worthless because if you try to use it to measure the diameter of an automobile piston it will only will tell you that to the nearest 1/16th of an inch. A measuring tape is a perfectly useful tool when it is used by a carpenter for the purpose for which it is intended. It was never intended to be used by machinists who need to measure down to the nearest thousandth of a inch.

    I have no doubt that Solanas had a high IQ. High IQ is not incompatible with schizophrenia, at least in its early stages before the schizophrenic’s thinking becomes completely disordered. Ted Kaczynski is another example of someone who was both brilliant and insane at the same time. Both Kaczynski and Solanas might have slowly deteriorated into harmless schizophrenics but both experienced abuse (Solanas supposedly at the hands of her father (although who knows how much she invented) and Kaczynski as a victim of CIA sponsored psychological experiments at Harvard) that pushed them over the edge into violence.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Jonathan Mason
    , @res
  33. @Jack D

    Obama was perhaps our greatest President – the man who embodied change the most.

    I’d like to know where one gets the drugs that would get you to such a thought. America’s history can now be divided between Pre-Obama America and Post-Obama America and chaos. He is surely, at the societal level, our WORST American President.

    You must profit from the bedlam, Jack.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  34. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    Also, there’s no good way to define “good at math,” since math encompasses many different sub-specialities which require different types of thinking. There are many famous mathematicians who struggle with the algebra and arithmetic tested within the ACT, and a far larger number of people like Jonathan Mason and myself who can do algebra in our sleep, but are not famous mathematicians.

  35. dearieme says:
    @Jack D

    The goal of the Left has always been to bring equality to all humans.

    The goal of the Left is to gain power by purporting to want to bring equality to all humans.

    Tom Jefferson is a good example – he plagiarised Locke, prattled about liberty, and drove slaves. True Leftist.

  36. “…her legacy… was overshadowed by one violent act.” Brings to mind Pontius Pilate.

    • LOL: moshe
  37. @Jack D

    I don’t really disagree with what you say, but somebody who completely immerses themselves in reading and writing as a complete obsession is likely to score high on IQ in a population where the majority of people never read a book, because IQ tests tend to measure competence in performing certain tasks or recognizing the meaning of words for example.

    So a person with a high IQ can probably recognize proper grammatically constructed sentences in language that is spelled correctly, but it doesn’t mean they have anything profound to say.

    Of course this may be problematical when you come to dealing with things like avant-garde literature, because there is no objective way of determining whether it’s just piffle, or something genuinely innovative.

    In the case of people like Pablo Picasso or Salvador Dali, for example, one can see that in their early work they demonstrated an extraordinary ability in draftsmanship and design, which makes it rather unlikely that the childlike appearance of some works from different periods are products that a child might have produced, even though many people might think that is the case.

    Another comparison might be in terms of knowing a foreign language. For example I speak Spanish fluently, meaning that I can have a conversation one-on-one without any problems, and I can translate Spanish legal documents into English to a professional standard with a very high level of accuracy with a little bit of help from a dictionary, and yet I cannot write Spanish at a professionally competent level, nor do I find it easy to listen to a movie in Spanish as I will miss a great deal of the verbal content. And of course my Spanish working vocabulary is tiny compared to my English vocabulary.

  38. @Jonathan Mason

    Paranoid schizophrenics? If only Reader’s Digest understood the marketing potential here it might not be a pathetic shell of its former self

    • LOL: Hibernian
  39. snorlax says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You are conversational in Spanish. To be fluent is to be completely indistinguishable (speed, accent, vocabulary, etc.) from a native speaker.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  40. @NJ Transit Commuter

    NJ, very nicely stated, and unfortunately, only readers here will see it.

  41. Kyle says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I scored in the 99 percentile on the Asvab and I’m dumb. Everyone else who took it must be really, really dumb. I honestly think maybe sometime like 20 or 30% of them can’t read and just gave up halfway through. And there must be effectively zero Jews or asians who took it.

  42. @Jack D

    Jack, very nice comment.

  43. “Overlooked No More” raises the same objection as the 1619 stuff — a newspaper that can’t even get today’s events straight has no business wasting time rummaging around in the past.

    • Agree: Forbes
  44. @Jonathan Mason

    IQ test.

    Which of the following works of art was produced by the acknowledged genius Pablo Picasso.
    1

    2

    3

    4

    5

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
  45. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    A gay shot by a queer, i.e. a degenerate shot by another degenerate, why should we care? Does anyone care when a criminal is shot by another criminal? Let them take each other out, so the rest of us can live in peace. Andy Warhol was a talentless gay artist posing as a talentless gay artist. The only story here is the irony — if a man had done the shooting, Warhol wouldn’t have lived for another 19 years.

    From this day forward, every black criminal who dies will get an obit in the NYT.

  46. @NJ Transit Commuter

    The elite media has definitely been excusing violent acts more often lately. I think the latest purges of moderate liberals from their newsrooms has contributed to this. I recall a talk by Naomi Wolf where she stated that the media gets very “polite” towards extremists when they are threatened. She was, of course, talking about threats coming from the right. I think her analysis is correct overall.

    I’d like to see the more moderate lefties stand up to this and put a stop to it, but I’m not sure enough of them will. The left, unlike the right, struggles to reign in their nutty extremists.

    I think this will get worse before it gets better.

  47. Did the Times publish a sympathetic obituary for, say, William Luther Pierce?

    • Replies: @Forbes
  48. @snorlax

    Trump refused to pay the famous artist for the unasked-for pictures because they clashed with Trump Tower’s color scheme,

    Donald the Aesthete or Trump the Master of the Deal … ” the sucker already finished his product tailor made for me, he’s in a bad negotiation position, I can buy low and sell high”

    In the latter case the character flaw would be being cheap … the idea of Donald being an Aesthete … wasn’t there accounts how Trump was reluctant to hire Bolton because he was disgusted with the walrus moustache? … that’s quite Wildean, reminds me of the story about the Englishman who murdered his aunt because she had thick ankles

    • Replies: @Alden
  49. Solanas probably had a higher IQ than Warhol.

    Despite this, she graduated from high school on time and earned a degree in psychology from the University of Maryland, College Park, where she was in the Psi Chi Honor Society.

    She attended the University of Minnesota’s Graduate School of Psychology, where she worked in the animal research laboratory, before dropping out and moving to attend Berkeley for a few courses. It was during this time that she began writing the SCUM Manifesto. — the wik

    In a Warholian twist the shooting (June 3) got unintentionally memory-holed by the pistol that found its way into Sirhan Sirhan’s hand and the subsequent projectile the appeared in Robert Kennedy’s cranial cavity (June 5/6).

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  50. He made daring arguments in his manifesto. But his legacy as a writer and thinker was overshadowed by one violent act.

    By Bonnie Wertheim
    June 26, 2020

    On June 17, 2015, Dylann Roof walked into Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church …

    • Thanks: Anonymousse
  51. @Jonathan Mason

    I think you have a typo. Number 5 is by Pablo Pigasoo. (Apologies to Reg Kaiser).

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  52. @Jack D

    So if you don’t like the current outcomes, you need to change the society and as I said in the beginning, if you want to make fundamental changes in a society, the only way to really do it is thru violence.

    Some strands of Marxist thought tend in that direction, though I cannot actually remember Joe Biden ever supporting the violent overthrow of the Constitution in the style of Cuba. Even Joe’s alter ego Neil Kinnock (now Baron Kinnock), considered a left winger in his early career, tried to move the party to the center when he became its leader.

    Perhaps what we need is more along the lines of Magna Carta (1215) a kind of social contact between the divinely appointed King John and a group of rebel barons that restricted the ability of the King to execute barons and bishops at whim, along with a few other restrictions on fund raising for mid-east wars, besieging Jerusalem, support for Israel, etc.

    What we are seeing in the US today is that a vast amount of the power to determine how we live is in the hands of vast, faceless corporations that extort us for even the commonest goods like water. (Not like it just falls from the sky, is it?)

    We could use a new social contract that would bind corporations to work for the overall good of communities and ban them from participating in or financing elections, paying off politicians via lobbyists, and so on, and just leave the electoral process in the hands of individual voters.

    Maybe the Senate could work up some text–plenty of lawyers there–and send it to ̶B̶a̶r̶o̶n̶ Donald Trump for his signature. They could just tell him it was an order to declare martial law in perpetuity.

    • LOL: Coemgen
  53. Dumbo says:

    NYT, publish this:

    “Hitler made daring arguments in “Mein Kampf”, his case for a world without Jews. But his legacy as a writer and thinker was overshadowed by one violent act.”

    Seriously, this Solanas person was clearly insane. Her writings are the scribblings of a mentally deranged person, shooting a gay pop icon was just a minor act. She was SCUM, indeed. The real problem is the media and academics pushing crazy people as relevant.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    , @danand
  54. @NJ Transit Commuter

    It’s time for all of us to take a step back

    It’s not really all of us who are rushing toward the brink.

  55. @Kronos

    “That’s a pretty common staple of the post-1960s New Left.”

    That’s because they were lowbreds , drawn from The Great Unwashed, with correspondingly high levels of “p”, having had the title “Meritocrat” conferred upon them via artificial criteria i.e. high SAT/LSAT scores etc. The meritocracy was quite a comedown from the traditional aristocracy (or what passed for an aristocracy in the US).

    • Agree: Kyle
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
  56. NHS (((NICE))) prioritizing LaSqueesha’s 7th sprig over NWM.

    Don’t you love Cuckstain. White Men can’t even get treatment on the system they created!!!

    Dedund the NHS!!!

  57. Dumbo says:

    I’m pretty sure Warhol was pretty smart, even if eccentric.

    Also, HBD people and nerds in general like “IQ tests” because it represents an activity they like and are good at (“solving puzzles”), but IQ is not all that relevant in the long run, and I doubt it really represents full intelligence (only a type of intelligence – i.e. solving puzzles). Warhol, as Trump, may not be great at solving puzzles but they are certainly good at making money and influencing people, which is a more interesting and rewarding ability in the end.

    I think creativity, vision, sociability, confidence, are more useful things in real life than “IQ”. (This said by someone who is not great at those things and pretty bad at making money, and prefers “solving puzzles”.)

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
  58. Pericles says:
    @Jack D

    As Lou Reed put it, “I would have pulled the switch on her myself”.

  59. @snorlax

    Assuming this p thing is true, does that mean that monarchy is generally better than democracy? A hereditary ruling class originating in the noble (high g) cream of of the people, maintained and cultivated without fear of overthrow delivers that old fashioned high g and low p of yore.

    By contrast, the big anarchic democratic free-for-all means the high p get to distinguish themselves and hold power, if only because no one else is willing to go the extremes they are.

    Stated another way: anarchic democracy sorts for p. Stable monarchy sorts for g.

    It may look like I am confounding “stability” and “anarchy” for “monarchy” and “democracy”, but the point about monarchy is that it is hereditary, so there is not too much confusion about who is next in line. In democracy, it can be anyone, so you never know what is next.

    • Replies: @anon
  60. Pericles says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    because IQ tests tend to measure competence in performing certain tasks or recognizing the meaning of words for example.

    Would any of the resident experts on IQ and IQ testing like to comment?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  61. @snorlax

    Which seems to go in tandem with his other character flaw: pointlessly empowering his enemies.

    It still boggles my mind that the man elected to the Presidency owing the fewest outstanding favors since Eisenhower, and so having the freest hand in choosing his own cabinet, proceeded to fill his cabinet with people who despise him.

    It’s like he filled his cabinet the way he decorates his hotels: he brought in the most expensive name-brand stuff with the biggest media footprints. Didn’t matter if any of it was actually any good.

  62. Anonymous[742] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    It’s time for all of us to take a step back and really think about this. America isn’t perfect and has done terrible things.

    Nothing is more terrible than its complicity with Zionism and the violence it has waged on Zionism’s behalf.

  63. @Jonathan Mason

    Are you as much of a boring tit in Spanish as you are in English?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  64. Off Topic:

    The Simpsons on Fox will no longer allow white actors to voice non-white roles — a decision that is likely to impact a range of beloved supporting characters on the long-running animated series including Dr. Julius Hibbert, Carl Carlson, Judge Roy Snyder, and the Bumblebee Man.

    “Moving forward, The Simpsons will no longer have white actors voice non-white characters,” Fox said in a statement on Friday. The move follows a decision by Fox’s Family Guy to recast the role of Cleveland Brown, a black character who was voiced by actor Mike Henry, who is white.

    Rather halfhearted, it’s an animated show, shouldn’t they go back and re-voice 30 years worth of reruns?

  65. unit472 says:

    One thing I’ve noticed about madmen and women is they always have the advantage when they launch their attack. Elderly women can be punched in the head by a passing stranger but that never happens to a Tyson Fury or Shaq. People may hear voices in their head ordering them to shoot, hack or stab someone but never someone who is ready to shoot, hack or stab back. Guess there are limits to insanity.

  66. Lot says:

    Ten years ago I thought that Kinsey and Masters & Johnson and related researchers were engaging in wishful thinking and exaggerating when they said 10% of men were gay, and the true number was more like 2.5-3% entirely gay and another 2% bisexual.

    Since them a ton of polls have reported far higher levels. This one says only 54% of Brit zoomers say they are exclusively heterosexual and 11% “mostly or entirely” same sex attracted.

    Anecdotally, non-conformity seems to be much higher in young men and women now than in my cohort.

    This government survey in the UK reports much lower numbers, though rapidly increasing:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/sexuality/bulletins/sexualidentityuk/2018

    Survey findings a high gay rate in the USA:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/latino-millennials-least-likely-identify-heterosexual-survey-finds-n893701

    • Replies: @SFG
  67. wren says:

    A very interesting post and very interesting comments.

    Thank you to all.

  68. Back in the 70’s I read a book by Andy Warhol (Warhola) published in the 1950’s when I believe he was a book editor at one of those big publishing companies in New York, before he was a famous artist. Interestingly enough, it was a book on etiquette. It was definitely weird.

  69. AOC or DiBlasio might get someone a few column inches.

    I was seated next to Peter Max at an event, when a young messenger interrupted to tell him he was needed back at the studio for an emergency, and I remember thinking, “Hmm, what constitutes an art emergency?” I don’t know where he fell on the IQ spectrum, but he always struck me as more talented, pragmatic, and personable than Warhol.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    , @James O'Meara
  70. NOTA says:

    The thing is, Solinas did and said terrible things, but it wasn’t really her fault—she was crazy, and of course crazy people say and do crazy things. But what excuse do the people cheering for her in the NYT have?

    • Agree: Cortes, Buffalo Joe
  71. Forbes says:
    @Jack D

    Well said, Jack.

    Fifty plus years after an insane woman committed an unprovoked act of violence to effect her twisted political philosophy, the NYT defends her as remarkable, even lauds her behavior as vengeance, i.e. deserving punishment, on the victim.

    Obituary pornography.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  72. syonredux says:

    Denver “proactively” removes Kit Carson statue from downtown monument ahead of protests
    American Indian Movement leaders say Kit Carson “was as bad and as evil as any Confederate general”

    A statue of American frontiersman Kit Carson that topped Pioneer Monument in downtown Denver was removed by city crews Friday afternoon.

    It is the third art installation memorializing a controversial figure to be removed from public spaces in Denver in two days.

    Protesters tore down a Civil War statue at the Capitol early Thursday morning and a sculpture in Civic Center dedicated to Christopher Columbus Thursday night.

    https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/26/kit-carson-statue-down-aim-denver/

    • Replies: @J1234
    , @syonredux
    , @Joe Stalin
  73. @snorlax

    The idea of a pfactor is kind of interesting but I doubt it fits the gmodel. The thing about g is that it averages four or five separate cognitive measures (like visual-spatial, verbal, and mathematical), that are distinct but *highly correlated.*

    By contrast, I don’t imagine the same person usually has similar scores for depression, autism, and paranoid schizophrenia. So p sounds like a way to say a person is crazy in one of a number of ways, rather than crazy in some general way.

    I like the idea of having one easy to use score for mental health. But I don’t think this quite does it.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Anonymous
  74. @Wilkey

    LOL. The humor underlines a point well made.

    Oh my gosh, her nonsense philosophy was overshadowed by murdering someone?

    A corollary of this is that “remarkable people [LGBTQ division] whose deaths, beginning in 1851, went unreported in The Times” are so scarce that all they can come up with from seventeen decades is an obviously crazy person of no actual merit. That’s all they got.

    Which in turn demonstrates that “Overlooked No More”, like the “1619 Project”, and pretty much everything else The Times publishes nowadays, is fake and ghey.
    ——

    Since no one else has done it yet, here is Ms. Solanas:

    Since Steve has recently been proposing Addenda to his First Law of Female Journalism, may I suggest,

    The most retconning articles by female journalists tend to be demands that social values be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the journalist herself will be considered less crazy.

  75. @ic1000

    As Yoda would say: Shots from gun, there were.

    • LOL: Jack Armstrong
  76. Coemgen says:
    @Almost Missouri

    It still boggles my mind that the man elected to the Presidency owing the fewest outstanding favors since Eisenhower, and so having the freest hand in choosing his own cabinet, proceeded to fill his cabinet with people who despise him.

    Why do they despise deplore him?

    Is this some kind of organic deploration?

    Or, is this deploration the result of propaganda paid for by “big money” (cf. “big business”).

    Aside: why are none of the Democrats against “big money.” They used to deplore “big business” (and those in Joe Biden’s age cohort still do – though they can’t answer the question: “What big business?”).

  77. steveb says:

    You know, Valerie looks like a lot like…………….yourself

  78. Art Deco says:
    @Almost Missouri

    proceeded to fill his cabinet with people who despise him.

    Aside from Rex Tillerson, who in his cabinet despised him? (NB, Tillerson was not acquainted with him before he was interviewed for the position). Seems to me the people who despised him were part of the permanent government (e.g. Sztrok, McCabe, Vindman) or were holdovers from the previous administration (Comey). He’s ended on bad terms with a number of people (Tillerson, Mattis), but I don’t know that he started on bad terms with them.

  79. @NJ Transit Commuter

    It’s time for all of us to take a step back and really think about this. America isn’t perfect and has done terrible things. So has every great nation. I only hope cooler heads prevail and consider what a post-America world would look like. I find it hard to imagine a scenario that is an improvement to the current world.

    This is why it is important for “us” to speak of and offer “separate nations”. (By “us” here i broadly mean everyone who is “conservative”, who values republican government and the rule of law, who is loyal to the actual historic American nation, rooted in Western Christian civilization.)

    Over the last 50+ years, the “left”–which is not any sort of “left” interested in a better deal for the working class–and the “liberal” establishment have imbibed and committed themselves to this ideology and *religious narrative*, of minoritarianism–minorities oppressed and virtuous, majorities (white gentiles) oppressive and evil.

    They have overthrown the old republican constitution of 1787 and replaced it with a minoritarian “Civil Rights” constitution, that repeals historic Anglo-American liberties and republican governance for elite diktat.

    Minoritarianism is now a state religion, and one that brooks no dissent.

    No real American man can live freely under this regime. Our ancestors would be filled with disgust seeing the tyranny we allow–worse than anything George the 3rd was imposing. The last month has made it clear we–whites men–have nothing but serfdom to look forward to; that there is no living as a free man under this regime.

    We must offer peaceful separation and if denied, fight–once again–for self-evident truths and our natural rights

    • Agree: Kylie, Anonymousse, MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @SimpleSong
  80. wren says:

    Not OT: The city council in Minneapolis has decided to get rid of the police for the city, but retains private police protection for themselves.

    The council members are about what you might expect as our new ruling class.

    https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-council-members-get-private-security-after-threats

  81. snorlax says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    The p factor does work the same way, hence the comparison to g. Someone who has been diagnosed with one psychiatric disorder has usually also been diagnosed with one or several other psychiatric disorders, and all psychiatric disorders correlate strongly with one another. For example, on average (but not always) a psychopath also has elevated scores for depression, autism, paranoid schizophrenia, OCD, bipolar disorder, etc., and vice versa.

  82. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    So to sum up, here is a woman who was (but for luck and heroic medical intervention) a murderess. Someone who was clinically insane. Someone who advocated death for half the population and then when pressed on it, allowed as how sterilization would be adequate. Someone who died alone in a flophouse, half eaten by worms because no one cared if she was dead or alive until the stench alerted the other residents.

    I’m sure there are people at the Times who are thinking “Damn, why didn’t we put her on the editorial board?”

    • LOL: BB753, Kylie
  83. Anonymous[742] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    I like the idea of having one easy to use score for mental health.

    As if “mental health” has any objective meaning, or even any agreed upon meaning.

    It is a highly subjective value judgment.

  84. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    By her looks, she would have made a nice cellmate for Charles Manson. It still amazes me how so much information can be gathered from a facial expression.

  85. Anonymous[742] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Over the last 50+ years, the “left”–which is not any sort of “left” interested in a better deal for the working class–and the “liberal” establishment have imbibed and committed themselves to this ideology and *religious narrative*, of minoritarianism–minorities oppressed and virtuous, majorities (white gentiles) oppressive and evil.

    You will soon come to see—once Whites are a minority—that this wasn’t about promoting “minoritarianism” but rather was an effort to destroy or forever cripple the world’s most broadly talented ethnic group.

    Of course, you needn’t wait for that. You can look around at the non-White rest of the world and see whether minoritariaism is ascendant there. Take for example two of the world’s most powerful countries: Israel and China.

  86. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    Aside from Rex Tillerson, who in his cabinet despised him?

    Kelly, Mattis, Bolton, Haley, Mulvaney, Pompeo.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  87. J1234 says:
    @syonredux

    Thankfully, there exists a statue of Andy Warhol that can also be defaced and toppled.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    , @danand
  88. Mr. Anon says:

    Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex.

    That sounds like it could be the executive summary of the WEF meeting at Davos.

  89. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    Denver “proactively” removes Kit Carson statue from downtown monument ahead of protests
    American Indian Movement leaders say Kit Carson “was as bad and as evil as any Confederate general”

    Whoa. You mean that he was as bad and evil as Stand Waitie?

    Stand Watie (Cherokee: ᏕᎦᏔᎦ, romanized: Degataga, lit. ‘Stand firm’) (December 12, 1806 – September 9, 1871), also known as Standhope Uwatie, Tawkertawker, and Isaac S. Watie, was a leader of the Cherokee Nation. The nation allied with the Confederacy,and he was the only Native American to attain a general’s rank in the Civil War, Confederacy or Union. He commanded the Confederate Indian cavalry of the Army of the Trans-Mississippi, made up mostly of Cherokee, Muskogee and Seminole. He was the last Confederate general in the field to cease hostilities at war’s end.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_Watie

    • Thanks: fish
  90. OT: Steve, what’s your reaction to the noose photo released by NASCAR?

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/motorsport/53186184

    It’s handsomely, one might say artistically shot. But what gets me is how it could just have been hanging there so openly, so egregiously, for months and not one person, not even Bubba, seems to have noticed its terrifying significance.

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
  91. res says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    IQ type tests are pretty meaningless.

    That really does not follow from your succeeding sentence. Some tests just have a low(ish) ceiling. The SAT and ACT in particular reward error free performance under time pressure, not the ability to solve difficult problems.

    these days anybody who is well-read is going to score off the charts on verbal IQ ability.

    You might ponder which way the arrow of causality tends to run for that observation. (I would say some of both ways, but more the opposite of what you say)

  92. res says:
    @snorlax

    What you describe sounds more like Eysenck’s psychoticism.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoticism
    And I agree with you about that.

    But if you go look at the p paper:
    The p Factor: One General Psychopathology Factor in the Structure of Psychiatric Disorders?
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2167702613497473
    the criteria they use are pretty dysfunctional. Details are in the Supplemental Material which is freely available at the link.

    It is not clear to me the examples you give would score high on p.

    There is some discussion of p over in the comments at James Thompson’s blog: https://www.unz.com/jthompson/weaponizing-race/#comment-3996027

  93. @snorlax

    I think your definition is to restrictive. What you are calling fluency I would call speaking like a native. To me fluency means being able to speak a language at normal speed without having to think or translate in your head from one language to another. To some extent you will think and dream in that language.

    By your definition someone like Henry Kissinger would not be considered to be fluent in English, and he held jobs for which fluency in English was required. By your definition GW Bush would hardly have qualified!

    I have known plenty of native speakers of English for example Ebonics speakers whose sum total vocabulary in English was probably less than the number of words that I know in Spanish and you would have to talk to them in simple language as if talking to a foreigner or a child, because if you used a more extended vocabulary they would not understand certain words.

    I would not consider myself as not fluent in Spanish because I do not know of the top of my head the correct Spanish words for headlamp retaining clip spring or sauerkraut, because a lot of native Spanish speakers wouldn’t know them either and I would be able to come up with a workaround.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Anon7
  94. SFG says:
    @Lot

    If you’re a white guy, quick way to gain a few intersectionality points is to claim you’re bi or heteroflexible (straight but willing to experiment). Or you can put a little nail polish on, dye your hair blue, and be ‘genderfluid’. (And, really, guys wearing their hair long probably gave a similar impression to the Silent and Greatest Generations in the 60s.)

    Not as many points as being trans these days, sure, but avoids hormones and surgery that might do irreversible damage.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    , @Lot
    , @nebulafox
  95. “An interesting question about a more interesting person, Andy Warhol, is: what was his IQ? Gore Vidal said “Andy Warhol is the only genius I’ve ever known with an I.Q. of 60.” And he generally tried to act dim.”

    Perhaps he was autistic.

    “Warhol developed a crush on Trump in 1981, painting him on spec eight pictures of Trump Tower to hang in Trump Tower. But Trump refused to pay the famous artist for the unasked-for pictures because they clashed with Trump Tower’s color scheme, when enraged Andy against Donald.”

    Trump could always hang one of Warhol’s paintings of him in the White House. And he wouldn’t have to pay a thing to do so.

    Btw, how is Trump Tower doing lately amidst the BLM/Antifa riots, craziness? Anyone?

  96. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Kelly, Mattis, Bolton, Haley, Mulvaney, Pompeo.

    1. When did Pompeo (currently in the administration) or Haley (who grassed up Tillerson) or Mulveney give indications they despised the President?

    2. Again, where is there an indication that the problems Kelly and Mattis have with Trump antedated their time working for him?

    3. Bolton had a position on the White House staff. Haley ran the UN Mission. Neither are cabinet positions. (For purposes of protocol, some administrations call the UN position ‘cabinet-rank’; don’t think that’s been done in decades).

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @vhrm
  97. Jack D says:
    @Pericles

    I am not an IQ expert by any stretch but I am familiar with the tasks required on common IQ tests such as the Wechsler.

    http://www.washingtoncenterforcognitivetherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/greenwood_description-wais-1.pdf

    One of the subtests requires the subject to define an (increasingly difficult) series of words. Others require the subject to perform certain tasks such as, for example arranging blocks to match a sample pattern in a way similar to the Chinese tangram game, again in increasingly difficult order. After you have failed to complete a certain # in a row within the time limit, the subtest is discontinued.

    So in that sense Mr. Mason is correct. However, the nature of the IQ test is that the sum is greater than the parts. Taken individually, each of the subtests is somewhat trivial. You might be an idiot savant who has memorized the dictionary or who has extraordinary geometric skills. BUT, if someone scores consistently well on most of the subtests then such a person is also likely to do well on other tasks involving intellectual reasoning- that was the insight that led to IQ testing. He or she will probably be able to achieve high grades in challenging subjects and pass professional qualification tests for learned professions such as doctor or lawyer or aircraft mechanic (the military wanted to know who to spend money on training on and who to use as cannon fodder – this was the original impetus for the test). This is what we mean by “high IQ”.

  98. @unit472

    Theodore Dalrymple made an identical observation in one of his books. He is a writer who is a retired London prison psychiatrist.

    He said he would be interviewing men in prison who had beaten their wife or girlfriend and they would invariably say something like they didn’t know what happened, something just came over them, they couldn’t control themselves, but Dalrymple noted that they never seemed to suffer from an uncontrollable urge to punch a policeman in the face.

  99. @J1234

    Thankfully, there exists a statue of Andy Warhol that can also be defaced and toppled.

    Throw some nooses on that thing and pull it down!

  100. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    Pompeo, Haley, and Mulvaney all criticized Trump in 2016. Of course, they all want to partake of the power the US government offers because they are cynical grifters, so they were all to happy to swallow their pride.

    They are all foreign interventionists, and Trump ran a campaign against interventionism. They certainly despised him. Some were just better at hiding it. Kelly is even on record saying that he would have served in a (Hillary) Clinton administration. And NSC director is not an inconsequential job, cabinet or not, and you well know it.

    Trump hired almost nobody who was loyal to the platform he ran on, except for Jeff Session, whom he treated abominably.

    You are a naive chump if you actually believe the crap you write.

  101. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Dumbo

    In Sweden the feminist embrace SCUM and call for it to be enacted. The SCUM manifesto is highly popular among feminists and most Swedish women are feminist.

    It is almost as if one sex must dominate the other for society to live.

    Islam is right about women.

  102. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    I can understand why a sane society would not want statues of Robert E. Lee to stand. I can also understand the arguments for keeping them. Reasonable people can differ over such questions. Lee is at best a controversial figure (and at worst evil).

    But the BLM crowd (and their white “allies”) are not just destroying Confederate monuments. They are pulling down statues of abolitionists, of people who literally gave their lives for the cause of freeing the slaves. The only common thread is that they are destroying only statues of white men. THAT is what is insane – that a movement that is purportedly against hate is actually full of hate itself. They are not really against oppression – they just want to be on the giving end of it.

  103. @The Alarmist

    “Hmm, what constitutes an art emergency?”

  104. Jack D says:
    @Jim Christian

    You need to work on your reading comprehension and learn to understand the difference between what someone is reporting and what their personal beliefs are.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  105. @NJ Transit Commuter

    Where I draw the line is advocacy of violence. There is no place for that in a civil democratic society like the US. The casual manner in which establishment opinion like the NYT has slipped from ignoring violence, to excusing violence, to almost advocating violence really frightens me.

    “Noo, you can’t just kill me! Violence has no place in a societyerino!”
    “Whatever lmao, you’re dead”

    In fact, it’s only by violence that you can have any society at all. That’s literally what it means to have a society, you have a bunch of men in tacit agreement on a list of things you get killed for doing. White libs are trying to make a new society and enforce a new list.

  106. Mr. Anon says:
    @Almost Missouri

    It’s like he filled his cabinet the way he decorates his hotels: he brought in the most expensive name-brand stuff with the biggest media footprints. Didn’t matter if any of it was actually any good.

    It’s almost as if Trump really is just a shallow, vulgar narcissist. I have no idea how we might have been expected to know that.

    But seriously, I voted for him too. We all knew that Trump is a narcissist and probably a blowhard. What I didn’t reckon with is that he might also be a moron. Apparently he is.

  107. anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    It may look like I am confounding “stability” and “anarchy” for “monarchy” and “democracy”, but the point about monarchy is that it is hereditary, so there is not too much confusion about who is next in line. In democracy, it can be anyone, so you never know what is next.

    OK Boomer!

    lol

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli

  108. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Lee is at best a controversial figure (and at worst evil).

    The same can be said of Lincoln.

  109. @Henry's Cat

    It is an artistic shot. Particularly in its absence of something to indicate scale. Was it the size of a hand grip or of a head?

  110. She made daring arguments in “SCUM [Society for Cutting Up Men] Manifesto,” her case for a world without men. But her legacy as a writer and thinker was overshadowed by one violent act.

    In other words, she was a mostly peaceful activist.

    • LOL: Muggles
  111. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    “…because no one cared if she was dead or alive …”

    It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that some of her neighbors in the flophouse did care and were happy that she died.

  112. vhrm says:
    @Cloudbuster

    So, if we are to believe she is worthy of rememberance despite her flaws, I suppose it would be crazy to apply that standard to someone like Christopher Columbus or Robert E. Lee.

    Yeah, the hypocrisy is strong with them.
    This again is indicative that the NYT and their ilk employ selective stupidity in service of their ideological biases.

    They’re not dumb; they’re perfectly capable of nuance and critical thinking when it suits them.

    OTOH everyone non-progressive is literally Hitler and that’s all you need to know.
    Except, when they say something bad about Trump. Then, for the course of that news cycle, they are temporarily re-personed before they become literally Hitler again at the stroke of midnight.

  113. @NJ Transit Commuter

    “There is no place for that in a civil democratic society like the US.”

    Civil democratic society in the US is melting down. It is elite-driven and thus will probably worsen until their goals have been met. I hope I’m wrong: I’m a civil society type of guy and enjoy the comforts of civilization — such as it is. I also like firearms and I’m a pessimistic bastard.

  114. @Art Deco

    Aside from Rex Tillerson, who in his cabinet despised him?

    The Generals were the worst. If I was Trump, I’d recall the Generals publicly disparaging him to Active Duty and ship them off to Kabul and Baghdad to ride around in Humvees all day with big Star flags flapping in the breeze.

    Ironically, the one general likely to remain loyal to and prove most useful for Trump against the coup conspirators was General Flynn, who Trump tossed nilly-willy under the bus.

  115. danand says:
    @Dumbo

    “The real problem is the media and academics pushing crazy people as relevant.“

    Dumbo, perhaps the NYT is simply issuing a warning to beware the mentally ill?

    This archival CBS video sums up Ms. Solanas 15 minutes in a little under 2 :

    • Thanks: Jim Don Bob
  116. The rage of Caliban:

    “he was immensely successful financially, and has become even more popular with the general public after his death”

    Sounds a little jealous. Oh, wait:

    “Looking into it, I see that Warhol graduated from imposing Carnegie-Mellon Tech in 1949. On the other hand, he didn’t major in cybernetics or whatever, but with a Bachelor of Fine Arts in commercial art. So, I’d figure he had a 3 digit IQ but not a huge one.”

    Ah, the wonders of IQ: haven of nerds in a heartless world of rich and successful and — damn it! — popular people with “not huge” IQs.

  117. danand says:
    @J1234

    J1234, another, perhaps more fitting, perspective/angle on that monument:

    7956DAFC-6156-4FFF-B850-5608AC115216

  118. wren says:
    @Jack D

    But the BLM crowd (and their white “allies”)

    In my head I now read BLM as Black Lives Mob, with the goal of BLM rule.

  119. Hibernian says:

    Maybe this fits the “Why lesbians aren’t gay” theme. She could have shot him because he was such a big sissy and no good at softball.

  120. vhrm says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    IQ type tests are pretty meaningless. I once scored at the 99.97% percentile on the ACT math test, but I’m not even any good at math compared to people who study hard sciences or even compared to several members of my family. In a population with a low average level of literacy such as the US, these days anybody who is well-read is going to score off the charts on verbal IQ ability.

    Not sure how much of this is serious and how much is a humble brag, but it seems you misunderstand what IQ tests measure (and how).

    The math based ones test how well you can apply a relatively simple set of rules to somewhat novel applications. It just happens to be useful that everyone is instructed and practiced in this set of rules. In modern times it also gives plausible cover for giving IQ tests as entrance exams.

    The “verbal” tests are similar except the ruleset is grammar and usage of English instead of Algebra and geometry.

  121. David says:

    This paragraph from History.com

    Two bullets from Solanas’ gun tore through Warhol’s stomach, liver, spleen, esophagus and both lungs. He was briefly declared dead at one point, but doctors were able to revive him. He spent two months in the hospital recuperating from various surgeries, and would be forced to wear a surgical corset for the rest of his life to hold his organs in place.

    is very similar to this one from the article

    Solanas’s bullets had punctured his stomach, liver, spleen, esophagus and lungs. At one point, the doctors pronounced him dead. (He would live for 19 more years, wearing a surgical corset to support his abdomen.)

  122. @BB753

    IIRC, she thought he had ripped off some film or something of hers, used it without crediting her. To her this was typical male behavior but one time too many, so the shooting. And yes, that makes him, to her, “a fine specimen of maleness.”

    • Thanks: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
  123. @Jack Armstrong

    Not a fan of social promotion in business but the removal of white voice actors from non-white character roles doesn’t strike me as too egregious. Especially considering that all or most of these white actors are massive SJW dickheads.

  124. @Jack Armstrong

    InVery astute of you.

    There is a school of thought that works attributed to Pigasso are actually works of Picasso that were not issued in his lifetime due to the fact that color TV was in its infancy.

    Particularly giveaways are that Peppa and the family Pig all have both eyes on the same side of the nose, a well-known characteristic of many paintings by Picasso.

    Anyway you are correct and the first four paintings are by Picasso and the last one probably by Pigasso. You win a week’s vacation in Paris during the week of July 14th where you will witness a reenactment of the French Revolution.

  125. J.Ross says:

    NICE

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  126. @syonredux

    It would have been dirt cheap to protect ALL the statues, Confederate, Revolutionary War, Whites by the simple expedient of making a Concertina barrier. The fact that NONE of the politicians did that shows that they thought it was a good idea to remove US history and to placate the Blacks at the same time.

    ‘A bloody method of control’: the struggle to take down Europe’s razor wire walls

    Razor wire is cut from galvanised steel, and unlike barbed wire, which was devised to tangle and impede movement, it is designed to maim.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/may/13/a-bloody-method-of-control-the-struggle-to-take-down-europes-razor-wire-walls

  127. @Art Deco

    Fairt point. I should have said,

    proceeded to fill his administration with people who despise him.

    or maybe

    proceeded to fill his administration with people who are hostile to him.

    I am thinking of people like Bolton and Kuchner (who by himself may be the biggest hole in Trump’s boat), and his tolerance for people he doesn’t seem aware are working against him, e.g. Haley, Pompeo, half the Pentagon.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  128. J.Ross says:

    Good thing you bent the knee.

  129. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Lee is at best a controversial figure (and at worst evil).

    Lee is only controversial to you because he was not one of your leaders. He was a leader for the fight for Southern independence, for self-determination of his people. Slavery and tarrifs were issues, but sovereignty was the real stakes.
    Lee’s life sets an example of great character and great deeds to inspire Southern whites now and for the future. He is a great role model for Southern white children.
    He is not your role model because his people are not your people. No need to make a moral argument of it. Marcus Aurelias and King David did worse things in their lives, but Romans and Jews are welcome to honor their stories, if they choose.

  130. vhrm says:
    @SFG

    Not as many points as being trans these days, sure, but avoids hormones and surgery that might do irreversible damage.

    Neither of these is necessary to be trans you insensitive clod. In fact suggesting that they are is oppressive and trans-phobic. 🙂

    Seriously, i think as long as you shave your face and say you’re a girl you’re gtg. (and yes, even the shaving is technically optional, but if you don’t you’re REALLY rubbing it in people’s faces)

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
  131. Muggles says:
    @Forbes

    >>Fifty plus years after an insane woman committed an unprovoked act of violence to effect her twisted political philosophy, the NYT defends her as remarkable, even lauds her behavior as vengeance, i.e. deserving punishment, on the victim.

    Obituary pornography.<<

    Well said!

    As others also noted, would a certifiable crazy man who shot some gay woman artist of renown be feted in a NYT obit? Or if she had tried to murder some leftist feminist a la Gloria Steinem?

    Talk about crazy bitch feminist privilege! It is this kind of morally blind snarky evil worship that totally discredits the Times and other outlets of this ilk. Killing artists! Hating all men!

    I suppose in these times, if Warhol had been other than White, all would be consigned to the historical Dust Bin. Being famous and gay just doesn't cut it any more. Also, recall, that in his time Warhol wasn't just some limousine leftist culture warrior. As a devout Catholic he was, from what I read, pretty culturally conservative personally, especially for a gay man of the time.

    So eventually the Times will put a target on his chest and lionize the nutty female who tried to take him out. All the News That's Fit to Print, and all…

  132. In other words, Warhol never really recovered and eventually sort of died from his wounds at age 58, making Solanas a sort of murderer rather than just an attempted murderer.

    Good point. Shooting Warhol wasn’t just some colorful jape.

    James Brady’s death 33 years after being shot by John Hinckley Jr. was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/james-bradys-death-ruled-homicide-by-dc-medical-examiner/2014/08/08/686de224-1f41-11e4-82f9-2cd6fa8da5c4_story.html?wpisrc=al_national

    Didn’t affect Hinckley’s imprisonment though. He was released a couple years later.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @prosa123
  133. Ray P says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Perhaps she was angry because of her bad hair. It surprises me that Steve Dude hasn’t pointed it out. Warhol may have made one snippy remark too many. He wore a blond wig didn’t he?

  134. @Prester John

    “having had the title “Meritocrat” conferred upon them via artificial criteria i.e. high SAT/LSAT scores etc. The meritocracy was quite a comedown from the traditional aristocracy (or what passed for an aristocracy in the US).”

    Careful, sounds like someone questioning IQ as the infallible and objective determination of human worth.

  135. wren says:

    Well, this is totally OT, but China got hit by giant covid-19 hail yesterday.

    Either the heavens are mad at Beijing or it was made in a lab in Fort Detrick.

    Taiwan TV:

  136. @Dumbo

    I hate puzzles, and I hate people who like puzzles. There, I’ve said it, and I’ll say it again. I guess I’d be classified as a “hater” in Steve’s HBD utopia (i.e, the world as MENSA meeting).

  137. @Bad Old Nurse

    Bad Old Nurse, glad you critiqued Steve’s writing. And “where” should be “were” in your first sentence. I can butcher the English language in my comments, but no one at iSteve corrects grammar.Welcome aboard.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  138. @unit472

    Conversely, “suicide by cop” shows the ability to target the exact person able to respond with deadly force. Shouldn’t this be factored into all this “killer cop” hysteria?

  139. @The Alarmist

    I remember thinking, “Hmm, what constitutes an art emergency?”

    Perhaps, “some nut at the studio shooting people”?

  140. snorlax says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Kushner is a shitlib, but he certainly isn’t personally hostile to Trump. Just the opposite; he does so much damage because he appears to have become Trump’s closest friend and confidant.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  141. @BB753

    BB, great question. Maybe because he painted iconic women such as Marilyn Monroe? Toxic Masculinity and Warhol I don’t see it. But she was deranged.

  142. tyrone says:

    In the movie she shot him because she thought he purloined her manuscript ……..he did turn out to be a hoarder.

  143. Anon[843] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Minneapolis council voted 12-0 to get rid of the police department. I think the voters still have to approve this on the ballot, though. Overlooked in all this: If the police become a private company security force, the city can no longer be sued by blacks trying to win the ghetto lottery, and politicians can’t have their careers imperiled by what the police do. The city no longer has to pay the cops’ pensions, and doesn’t have to worry about the police union. The private company won’t have to hire minorities if they don’t pass the tests.

    On the other hand, a private company may very well develop a very paramilitary character, and feel less responsibility towards the community and be more abusive. If the cops kill a perp, and no one is around to film it or view it, the cops may not even bother to report it.

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/26/minneapolis-city-council-approves-measure-to-abolish-police-force/

    It wouldn’t be the last time liberals voted for something and got the opposite instead.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  144. vhrm says:
    @Art Deco

    This is kind of OT, but following your thread here and thinking about it… i can’t imagine ANY capable executive (which is what cabinet secretaries generally are) wouldn’t hate working for, with or near Trump.

    I can see them doing it out of a sense of duty to the country, or maybe to test their skills, but the man is a nightmare of a boss afaict: uninformed, unprincipled, inconsistent, distracted, capricious… it must be like working for a super villain. 2)

    People like Michael Cohen, Michael Avenatti (1) or Roger Stone… i can see enjoying working for him.

    1) yeah he’s on the other side, but i think that’s incidental. They all seem cut from the same cloth to me.

    2) and yes i voted for him (even in the primary) and will again but “lesser of two evils” hardly captures it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  145. @Roderick Spode

    Rod, Really? One bullet entered at let’s say his mid chest, through his esophagus then laterally through both lungs, and had enough energy left to descend hit his liver and continue laterally through his spleen, or vice versa. Source please.

  146. snorlax says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    My definition is the actual definition. The word that describes your Spanish abilities, or Henry Kissinger’s English abilities, is “conversational.” (Kissinger could be said to read and write fluently).

    It is possible to be fluent in a dialect (e.g. Ebonics) but not the parent language, or not to be fluent in any language at all.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Jonathan Mason
  147. Anon7 says:
    @Almost Missouri

    That manjaw is epic.

    It’s too bad that Lena Dunham, who played Solanis in the Cult episode on American Horror Story (2017 seaason), doesn’t have the facial characteristics to pull it off. But you can still see her shoot Andy Warhol in this excerpt:

    Dunham is really a terrible actress, in full view here.

  148. snorlax says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    It was in a (presumably metal) elevator, so the bullet could have ricocheted and hit him more than once.

  149. @Jack Armstrong

    They’re still making new Simpsons?

  150. anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Warhol was hit twice at close range with .32 ACP, probably full metal jacket. FMJ penetrates better than soft point, she was obviously close enough to touch him. People get killed every year by .22 rimfire, bullets can take odd trajectories through the human body.

    https://www.history.com/news/andy-warhol-shot-valerie-solanas-the-factory

    Two bullets from Solanas’ gun tore through Warhol’s stomach, liver, spleen, esophagus and both lungs. He was briefly declared dead at one point, but doctors were able to revive him. He spent two months in the hospital recuperating from various surgeries, and would be forced to wear a surgical corset for the rest of his life to hold his organs in place.

    There are pics in the article linked to that show her face and eyes clearly.

    Snorlax
    It was in a (presumably metal) elevator, so the bullet could have ricocheted and hit him more than once.

    Lol, no. It was a .32, not some rifle.

  151. @Almost Missouri

    She kinda looked like Donovan:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  152. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cloudbuster

    So, if we are to believe she is worthy of rememberance despite her flaws, I suppose it would be crazy to apply that standard to someone like Christopher Columbus or Robert E. Lee.

    If Robert E. Lee had a flaw it was losing at Gettysburg.

  153. Mr. Anon says:
    @snorlax

    Does anyone doubt that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, if The Donald had not been running in 2016, would have voted for Hillary? I’m certain they would have.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  154. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I can understand why a sane society would not want statues of Robert E. Lee to stand. I can also understand the arguments for keeping them. Reasonable people can differ over such questions. Lee is at best a controversial figure (and at worst evil).

    If anyone is evil it is Zionist Jews, who have murdered thousands of people in a century long war of conquest to force a jewish supremacist state onto Palestine.

    Lee was a great man. His only error was a tactical one at Gettysburg.

  155. @Almost Missouri

    In that first photos, she looks like a cross btw Millie Helper and Francis Parker Yockey

  156. Tim says:

    Even though the Left and the gay art world have hijack Warhol, he was in fact a devote Catholic–a daily Communicate–and he died a virgin.

  157. Sorry for this off-topic public service announcement. Tomorrow afternoon (Sunday) there is going to be a protest AGAINST the proposed removal of the statue of Theodore Roosevelt at the Museum of Natural history. I think it hugely important that people should attend if possible. Even if only as a demonstration that there are sane people left…I’ve only just found out about it now because it doesn’t seem very well publicized. Any way to spread the news?

  158. @Jack D

    THAT is what is insane – that a movement that is purportedly against hate is actually full of hate itself.”

    How many times must it be said: They always accuse YOU of what THEY are doing. Every… single… time.

  159. Art Deco says:
    @Almost Missouri

    James Brady’s death 33 years after being shot by John Hinckley Jr. was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner.

    I’m looking at this actuarial table composed with data available in 1980 and it projects that just over 1/2 of the 40 year olds then alive would die by 2015. Brady, born in 1940, died on 4 August 2014; his wife, who was 18 months younger, survived him by six months.

  160. Art Deco says:
    @vhrm

    uninformed, unprincipled, inconsistent, distracted, capricious… it must be like working for a super villain. 2)

    I haven’t seen any indication he’s any more uninformed than any other President who has occupied the office in my memory. The only presidents in my lifetime I’d call ‘principled’ would be Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter. Obama has attitudes, not principles. Bush the Younger had commitments, not principles. Gerald Ford had biases, not principles. I’m not aware of what he’s been so ‘inconsistent’ about during the last five years. He may be distracted and capricious, but you’d only be aware of that if you were communicating with him regularly, and I’m not.

    What troubles me is the quality of his personnel operation and the quantum of turnover. Much of the trouble, though, is the wretched excess in the number of positions subject to congressional confirmation and the Senate’s bad parliamentary rules.

    • Agree: donut, Johann Ricke, Goatweed
  161. Lot says:

    Warhol skipped a grade and graduated from HS at 16. He had trouble in his first year in college however.

  162. The current BLM statue hysteria has all the elements of a Phoenician Navy operation.

    1. The people pulling down symbols of hate are haters (They always accuse YOU of what THEY are doing)

    2. No concept of reconciliation, only Total Annihilation (“unconditional surrender) as in Biblical genocide

    3. No concept of a “worthy adversary,” only Total Evil

    4. “Never forget!”, holy-holidays devoted to mass slaughter of Totally Evil enemies

    5. No graven images.

    6. Tikkun olam!

    It should be obvious now, as it has been to almost 200 other countries, that these people cannot live with us.

  163. Art Deco says:
    @snorlax

    My definition is the actual definition

    It isn’t.

  164. @vhrm

    ” (and yes, even the shaving is technically optional, but if you don’t you’re REALLY rubbing it in people’s faces)”

    Hattie Hathaway, of NYC’s Pyramid Club, was asked what distinguished NYC drag queens from San Fran drag queens, and replied “Facial hair” (think: the Cockettes)

    • LOL: vhrm
  165. J.Ross says:

    If you play on the house network of the video game company Blizzard (which a huge number of people do), and the game is interrupted by a Black Lives Matter protest, and you “interrupt” (?) the interruption (or, presumably, complain), you will be kicked off the network. Judging by the twitterer’s reaction, people are waking up.
    https://postimg.cc/MMR4mRRJ

  166. donut says:

    This sort of commentary has long been banned in the USA , I was shocked that it is allowed in France .

    Now that’s more like it .

  167. @Buffalo Joe

    “Source please.”

    The Warren Commission?

  168. veloman says:

    Just curious, are there any known statues or paintings of Earl Butz?

  169. @snorlax

    Kissinger speaks with a strong German accent, so fails your test.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  170. Alden says:
    @BB753

    Warhol was the epitome of a self made man. Through the art he created with his hands, and excellent publicity skills, he became rich powerful and one of the most influential artists of the 20th century.

    And he was the most powerful man in his assassin’s bizarro little world. Attempted murder of Warhol made her famous.

    • Thanks: BB753
  171. Anon7 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The word “fluency” just means that a person can speak easily and accurately in a given language. That’s it, as far as the word is concerned.

    The word root is the same for “effluent” – from the Latin, meaning ‘flowing’.

    The EU, where multilingual people are common, use three levels: Proficient User, Independent User, Basic User. Your mileage may vary.

    https://www.jobline.uni-muenchen.de/app_language/describing_language_skills/index.html

  172. “a plan to enact vengeance. What happened next came to define her life and legacy: She fired at Warhol, nearly killing him.”

    “Vengeance” for what? He hadn’t done anything to her. This is like the Newspeak used to defend black supremacist criminals, who commit heinous crimes against whites, without any possible justification.

    I recall a movie, in which Queen Latifah led a gang of racist black females on a plot to rob a bank, which a plot summary said was about getting “revenge against the system.”

    “She fired at…”

    This has now become a common MSM propaganda tool. I keep reading, So-and-so “fired at” his victim. In English, one would write, She shot Warhol, nearly killing him.

    As someone here suggested (Steve?), next fake news reporters will sound like black murderers, some of whom like to say, “The gun went off.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  173. Historical note: When Larry Auster died in 2013, the NYT completely ignored him.

  174. Warhol’s sexuality was more complicated than some other commenters suggest. He was gay, but also a devout Ruthenian Catholic. He reputedly remained celibate his entire life, which in New York must have required heroic virtue.

    While I personally don’t care much for his art, one might expect the right to find much to admire in the man.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Anonymous
  175. Alden says:
    @A. Hipster

    Were I decorating an apartment building lobby, I wouldn’t install any Warhol paintings. They’re very dated now. They were fashionable at the time but not really for a place like Trump Tower.

  176. Conservative, “Dissident Right” guys etc. who think “We need a return to Christianity” or “Europe is Christian” need to take a long, hard look at the BLM madness. Not the ideas but the mentality. If you never thought it was an alien mentality, consider those who put up statues of Lee and those who are tearing them down. It’s the Phoenician mentality through and through: total annihilation of totally evil enemies; never again! Orthodox and Puritan iconoclasts, Puritan witchhunters, Catholic inquisitors, etc.

  177. @Jack Armstrong

    See, beware of girls that major in Psychology. Sure, there are plenty that are in it for the easy subject matter and just want to get their MRS degrees. However, plenty of them are in there because they know they have some problems, and they figure they will find the answers in those Psych books. They may very well find out their problems, but they won’t find solutions in there.

    Oh, maybe some men too, Alden, but I’m warning about women because that’s who most of us here want to date.

    • Replies: @anon
  178. Hibernian says:
    @Art Deco

    Sixty four is kind of early; I’m a little older than that. I don’t think a jury would have convicted Hinckley of murdering Brady, but an attempted murderer of the POTUS should never go free.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  179. @Jack D

    For a generally smart guy, you have a whole lot to learn about the War Between the States. General Lee was well respected by both sides. If he is “at worst, evil”, then you could say that about any general, or anyone at all, including Mother Theresa. Read some books about it.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    , @Adam Smith
  180. moshe says:
    @Jack D

    It is time to fly Old Glory upside down.

    It is still our flag. We have no other.

    But we are under occupation.

    Flying the American flag upright is acceptance of Occupied America as our country and nation.

    It is not.

    An explicitly Racist and Sexist America that teaches children to hate white men simply because they are white and male is not our country.

    We are under occupation.

    The upside stars and stripes indicates a Citizenist.

    Which I am.

    On July 4th, let’s have millions of Americans flying the flag upside down.

    Celebrating Racist America is impossible.

    Surrender is also impossible.

    We are under occupation by a bunch of mentally unbalanced children and it is time to take our country back.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  181. J.Ross says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    What Warhol did was interesting: amid his ten million other out-contracted, mostly-dream projects going at any given time, he vaguely suggested that he would help establish her as an artist, then cut off all contact (possibly unintentionally). Similar to the insane rage killing of the wildly successful gay playright by his definitely far less successful lover in Prick Up Your Ears. But also similar to present mainstream media, to the “talent search” shows, and especially YouTube. Do you dare? Maybe we shouldn’t promise or even suggest fame to marginal people. Letting them get it unaided will be better for them and would preclude this category of HEY LET MY COMMENT THROUGH.

  182. Forbes says:
    @Cloudbuster

    In NYT world, every historically significant person, e.g. Columbus, Lee, are to be systematically erased from history because they weren’t perfect, i.e., they supported some cause or act (revolution, exploration, conquest) now considered politically incorrect.

    Meanwhile, the graves of the unknown will be dug up so as to celebrate the personages forgotten in history because, although completely forgettable and unknown, we (wrongly) cherished the legacies of those now deemed politically incorrect.

    History must be rewritten to celebrate the completely forgettable and unknown.

  183. @Buffalo Joe

    You failed to put a space after the period of your second-to-last sentence.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  184. vinteuil says:
    @Jack D

    If there’s ever been a comment here that deserves the golden frame, it’s this one.

    • Agree: Old Palo Altan
    • Disagree: Jack Armstrong
  185. An interesting question about a more interesting person, Andy Warhol, is: what was his IQ? Gore Vidal said “Andy Warhol is the only genius I’ve ever known with an I.Q. of 60.” And he generally tried to act dim.

    The college friend I had who made himself semi-famous for scoring high on IQ tests taught himself to act dumb. He had been a nerd in high school and vowed to change that and get girls, so he took up body building and started acting like a jock. When I knew him, he was working as a bouncer and a male stripper, and he reportedly had one of the highest IQs in America. It was fun to watch him act stupid in front of people. His plan worked: he got girls. He’s made a good living as a television writer.

    • Replies: @donut
  186. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Supposedly his brother, who is < 2 years younger, has no accent. Asked about it, he said, "I am the Kissinger who listens!".

  187. Forbes says:
    @Colin Wright

    Or John Wilkes Booth…given that statues of landmark Americans are now considered “controversial” by our cognoscenti, per the legacy of JWB should be reconsidered…

  188. moshe says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    Yup, that’s why the South Park boys rule.

  189. moshe says:
    @Jack D

    Taking down Teddy Roosevelt has earned them many enemies.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Telemachos
  190. @AnotherDad

    This is coming way down the thread so likely virtually no one will see or read this, but I have thought a bit about how various endgames might play out, and what would be favorable and what would be unfavorable.

    In short, I agree with you and think we absolutely need a partition. However, this could mean several things, and I believe the best outcome would be a hard cultural partition as opposed to a territorial partition. The problem with a territorial partition, first, is that I am not willing to give up a chunk of the United States to (for example) the blacks, because they have been a net negative for our national development. They have destroyed far more than they ever built, and I’m not willing to hand over Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi just because they have been squatting on this continent for a long time. The post 1960 tsunami–they really really shouldn’t get anything.

    The other issue if there is a territorial partition is how we would distribute the nukes…as soon as Blackmerica or Mexifornia goes down the failed state route (maybe six months?) they’ll pop off a few, or try to use them to extort us for some gibs, or just sell them. Not a stable situation.

    Lastly, there are a lot of whites that I frankly just don’t want around. But I also don’t want them in Blackmerica or Mexifornia either because they would be formidable enemies right at the border.

    So, I would advocate ‘cultural partition.’ I mean that essentially some sort of organization develops (likely under the auspisces of a religion) that acts as a parallel society. As much as possible they minimize their interaction with the United States, and they hold no loyalty or affection for the central government. In fact they send representatives to the capital to deliberately make things more dysfunctional. They do not run businesses that are open to the public. Preferably the only thing they sell to the outside world is commodities. They strive for autarky in food, energy, basic manufactures, although they may not completely achieve it. They self finance, and as they grow they start to run their own healthcare, their own courts, their own security services, their own currency. They are always careful to stay within the letter of the law as I expect they will have to endure many attacks of the lawfare sort. If they are successful there likely will also be physical attacks that will need to be deterred, possibly through implied threats of reprisals. They may need their own IRA.

    Also, most importantly, they don’t hesitate to kick people out. Sexual deviants, parasites, etc. Exile/excommunication is actually a credible punishment when the rest of America is a favela. In that regard, the degeneracy of the rump state of America is a feature, not a bug. When things are good and people start asking why we can’t have rented negro sports leagues or drag queen story hour or whatever, you can point outside the walls and explain where that ends up.

    This is of course somewhat similar to how some sects such as the Amish live their lives right now. Organizing this would likely lead to a very real, very big fall in people’s standard of living, for a while. There are very big, very real economic downsides to autarky, but the tradeoff is freedom. And if it proves successful, and you can get your reproductive rate up, you can reconquer the continent through demographic change. Within our lifetimes, the demographic battle is completely lost, but we can plant the seeds for the next season.

    • Disagree: Jack Armstrong
  191. znon says:
    @BB753

    Didn’t you people see the movie? She did it because she had foolishly given Warhol and his Heroin addict friends her only copy of a screenplay, which they used like her, as a curiosity and then trash canned, a good reason for an artist and lunatic to shoot him.

  192. Forbes says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    It’s an animated cartoon, but we’re supposed to attribute human “race” to the characters?? It’s make-believe play acting–but the role players have to be authentic. Kinda screws up aliens in scifi productions…

    We went from race is an unimportant social construct, to race-determinism in the blink of an eye.

    Wasn’t race determinism Hitler’s big thing? Race was all-important. Anyone?; Bueller?

  193. J.Ross says:

    The dialogue here is instructive. This is perhaps the purest video demonstration of the ignorant presuming to correct the informed.

  194. Lot says:
    @SFG

    This explains college girls all saying they are bi.

    Not young to middle aged men in an anonymous online survey saying they have “some” or “mostly” same sex attraction.

    Also doesn’t explain why hispanic zoomers are the gayest group and asians the least.

    Not that I have good evidence for other theories.

  195. snorlax says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Of course, but that just means they’re shitlibs, not that they “despise” their father/FIL.

    Also Trump himself would probably have voted for Hillary.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  196. J.Ross says:

    EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

    PROVIDENCE, R.I. (WLNE): Providence Police have identified the man they say spray-painted swastikas on gravestones at Providence College on Monday night.

    According to police, Keveon Gomera, 26, was charged with vandalism and assault with intent to commit a felony.

    Police say Gomera spray-painted swastikas, defaced multiple gravestones, then attempted to set a grass area on fire at the Dominican Cemetery on campus. According to a spokesperson for Providence College, the central cross and seven headstones were defaced. Providence College has repaired the damage.

    https://www.abc6.com/man-arrested-for-spray-painting-swastikas-at-providence-college/

    https://postimg.cc/D8MVr1Ym

    • Replies: @njguy73
  197. anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    See, beware of girls that major in Psychology.

    +1

    Sure, there are plenty that are in it for the easy subject matter and just want to get their MRS degrees.

    Lol, in the current year girls get married at 27, the MRS degree is as dead as Disco.

    However, plenty all of them are in there because they know they have some problems, and they figure they will find the answers in those Psych books.

    Fixed.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  198. Kylie says:
    @Bad Old Nurse

    Steve is always benevolently mangling the English language–spelling, grammar, etc.

    His meaning is always clear to me, though. At least I think it is.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  199. Charlotte says:
    @SimpleSong

    I broadly agree with you on the need to develop “cultural partition,” but I believe such a project is vastly more likely to succeed if it concentrates on a certain geographic area. There are many, many practical advantages to having your fellow travelers close by: ease of sharing resources, social support, face-to-face communication, even communal safety and defense (I’m not talking about a militia so much as the fact that friendly neighbors won’t attack you, and unfriendly neighbors are less likely to do so if they will face pushback from the local community.)

    Realistically, we are never going to get to pick and choose which portions of the country we want, it’s more a case of what we can hold on to. Conservatives need to look at the examples of the Amish, the Orthodox Jews, the Mormons, and other religious and ethnic minorities: scatter too much, and it’s almost impossible to prevent your offspring’s assimilation to the culture of the majority.

  200. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Where I draw the line is advocacy of violence. There is no place for that in a civil democratic society like the US. The casual manner in which establishment opinion like the NYT has slipped from ignoring violence, to excusing violence, to almost advocating violence really frightens me.

    The nyt used to be a liberal newspaper. It’s now a committed leftist organization. Complaining about the nyt’s advocation of racial violence is akin to expressing concern about Der Angriff’s favorable take on Jewish pograms. They won’t hear you, and it’s probably good for you personally that they don’t.

    Be careful what you say about the nyt, they’re getting bolder. But know your enemy.

    • Replies: @anon
  201. njguy73 says:
    @El Dato

    Valerie Solanas’ legacy as a writer and thinker < O.J. Simpson's legacy as an athlete and actor

  202. Ragno says:
    @El Dato

    But her legacy as a writer and thinker was overshadowed by one violent act.

    From her Wiki-bio:

    In the mid-1960s Solanas moved to New York City, where she supported herself through begging and prostitution.

    Considering her “one violent act” is, and will always be, the only reason anyone knows her name or, God help us, ‘commemorates’ her, I’ve got zero problem with her entire biography beginning and ending with one that one excerpted sentence.

  203. duncsbaby says:
    @BB753

    She was a part of his sub-cultural scene at the time. Warhol was Hipster-God in the 60’s and she hated him because he not only was male but he was totally not interested in her as a female or a person and in fact saw her as a joke. It’s a good movie as I remember it. Jared Harris does a good job portraying Andy Warhol. Much better than Bowie’s Warhol in Basquiat. It had a good 90’s soundtrack of contemporary bands doing 60’s covers. I still listen to a couple of songs off it on my iPod from time to time. It also has Brasil 66 doing Mais Que Nada which is very cool. What were we talking about again? Oh yeah, the NyTimes elevating murderous lesbians as heroines because it’s LGBTQwhatever month. About the only nice thing about the current BLM/anitfa chaos is it’s thrown most of the kow-towing to the GAYS on the backburner. Believe me, I got no hatred to Gays or Lesbians or Blacks necessarily but Goddamn, the constant propaganda on their angelic sainthood drives me around the goddamn bend. Just sharing some feelz. Plus dipping my toe in the water every now and then so I can hit the LOL button from time to time.

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
  204. Hibernian says:
    @lambdaphagy

    We can find two things to admire, that he remained faithful to Church teaching on sexuality, and that he went to Mass regularly. We can find at least one thing not to admire, his artwork. We can feel sorry for him because this crazy woman shot him.

    • Agree: duncsbaby
  205. duncsbaby says:
    @Morton's toes

    A worthy death for a miserable fringe historical figure. I eagerly await the NYTimes commissioning a statue in her honor to be placed across the street from wherever in Manhattan Warhol’s old Factory building is.

  206. njguy73 says:
    @SimpleSong

    You should read “Communities That Abide” by Dmitry Orlov.

  207. njguy73 says:
    @J.Ross

    He paints swastikas on Christian headstones.

    Wow. Just wow. I can’t even.

    How fucking incompetent can a person be?

    You’ve heard the guy who’s so dumb he couldn’t pour water out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel?

    Keveon Gomera makes that guy look like John von Neumann.

  208. Polynikes says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    And the north’s acceptance of him has much to do with his surrender and the reconciliation of the two sides. I get that there may be some monuments in the south put up in bad taste, but Lee isn’t one of them.

  209. @moshe

    Taking down Teddy Roosevelt has earned them many enemies.

    They haven’t taken down Teddy Roosevelt yet and as I said above, some of us are fighting to prevent them from doing so.

    An even more important fight has to do with George Washington–for example that statue in Portland. We should be vociferously demanding that that statue and others like it be replaced and the vandals punished with severity.

    Furthermore, the burning of American flags which seems like an integral part of these things should be getting a lot more attention. The first inkling I got was when the msm decided to start crying about the man who was hurt when a toppled confederate statue fell on his head. They talked about him and showed people burning an American flag in the background and didn’t even think the burning flag deserved a comment.

    If I were working for Trump I’d flood television with videos of these flags burning with bits of Pelosi, Cuomo et al at their most vacuous.

  210. @NJ Transit Commuter

    ‘…It’s time for all of us to take a step back and really think about this. America isn’t perfect and has done terrible things. So has every great nation. I only hope cooler heads prevail and consider what a post-America world would look like. I find it hard to imagine a scenario that is an improvement to the current world.’

    I imagine every civilization has said this to itself on its way out. For example, I can see fourth-century Romans saying it.

  211. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong

    You folks in the separation or partition camp are not schooled in real politics.
    Your enemies on the Left want you dead and gone. They intend to cleanse you from every corner of the earth.
    This is a power struggle and winner-take-all. You either reconquer North America and reclaim it for your own, or you go the way of the Aztecs and the buffalo.
    You need to learn a new word – it’s calls “Win”.

    • Agree: Jack Armstrong
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  212. MBlanc46 says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    That’s a very sane, rational opinion. Unfortunately, the US is no longer a sane, rational place. The Left don’t merely advocate violence, they’ve been committing it almost daily for weeks. There’s no counter to their violence except violence from the Right.

  213. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jack D

    Marvelously put, Jack.

  214. duncsbaby says:
    @Roderick Spode

    I totally passed on that album when it came out in the early 90’s because although I was a fan of Reed and Cale I was not a fan of Warhol. Warhol is an interesting figure but I never had any deep fascination like some, mostly gay guys, and found such Warhol worship inexplicable. Oh well, I’m older now, discovered this album a couple of years ago and am glad I did. It’s probably the last great album either of them did. Thanks for the clip.

  215. duncsbaby says:
    @Wilkey

    Funny, my Dad told me the same joke when I was a teen, but the tag-line for his joke was “But you suck one cock . . . ” My Dad told me more about the world in that one joke than any NYTimes obit has ever provided. Thanks for the reminder.

  216. MBlanc46 says:
    @SimpleSong

    It’s been read. Interesting idea, but not workable. They’d never let it happen. The state gets more intrusive all the time. To be free of them, we have to separate from them. I understand your reluctance to give up any part of the republic that our ancestors built. I share that reluctance. But there’s no other way to escape the cultists who now control that republic.

  217. Mr. Anon says:
    @snorlax

    Yes, I agree. They don’t despise their father/father-in-law. Because of him, they have a lot of power – a lot more certainly than they would have had if Hillary had been elected.

  218. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @lambdaphagy

    Warhol’s assertion of virginity would seem to be contradicted by his hospital treatment in 1960 for condylomata, a sexually transmitted disease.[136] It has also been contradicted by his lovers, including Warhol muse BillyBoy, who has said they had sex to orgasm: “When he wasn’t being Andy Warhol and when you were just alone with him he was an incredibly generous and very kind person. What seduced me was the Andy Warhol who I saw alone. In fact when I was with him in public he kind of got on my nerves….I’d say: ‘You’re just obnoxious, I can’t bear you.”[137] Billy Name also denied that Warhol was only a voyeur, saying: “He was the essence of sexuality. It permeated everything. Andy exuded it, along with his great artistic creativity….It brought a joy to the whole art world in New York.”[138] “But his personality was so vulnerable that it became a defense to put up the blank front.”[139] Warhol’s lovers included John Giorno,[140] Billy Name,[141] Charles Lisanby,[142] and Jon Gould. His boyfriend of 12 years was Jed Johnson, whom he met in 1968, and who later achieved fame as an interior designer.[143]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Warhol

  219. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    You either reconquer North America

    How?

  220. donut says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    ” He’s made a good living as a television writer.”
    That must have been the most convincing part of his act .

  221. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Trump hired almost nobody who was loyal to the platform he ran on, except for Jeff Session, whom he treated abominably.

    List 10 qualified people he could have hired and didn’t.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  222. @Nicholas Stix

    When Larry Auster died in 2013, the NYT completely ignored him.

    Auster had a great mind and a crystal clear understanding of the factors destroying this country. His insightful analysis of America’s decline has many parallels in Steve’s writings. He liked and admired Steve but resented that he was not a vocal friend and supporter of the Zionist Entity. Despite his conversion to Christianity (from Judaism) he was as Zionist as they come. He got caught up in stupid little feuds with other internet writers that distracted him from more important matters. He had a sad and lonely end that is the fate of anyone without a family and children.

  223. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    I have no issues with removing Confederate memorials and removing the “cult of Lincoln and Lee”, because it has long since served its purpose to American society. Where I draw the line is trying to replace a historical narrative with someone that means nothing at best to the people who actually lived with that narrative for over a century, because that’s never going to work as planned. This is why I’m such a Longstreet fanboy. He’s a candidate that can appeal to everybody-or would have in saner times.

    But the way they are going about it is bound to evoke a backlash down the line: and a truly ugly one, way things are going. That Lincoln and Grant memorials are being defaced as well is just going to give ammunition to people you really, really, really don’t want to give ammunition to.

    I do have some personal experience with this: I had relatives and former classmates who were perfectly willing to say “Maybe it’s time for Old Glory to come down from the State Capitol” when the likes of a Dylann Roof appeared. But they immediately hardened into predictable partisan lines when liberals-usually white-appear on MSNBC or Twitter and start arguing that white Southeners must be forcibly disarmed, or that the big mistake of the Civil War was that it wasn’t fought to a Carthaginian conclusion and that somehow, someway must be rectified over 150 years later. Or some other policy idea that is completely unimplementable, but will push all the buttons you expect. You get the idea. The end result is the political equivalent of the Gaza Strip: endless cycles of the same old thing, just with a few extra bodies.

    Finally, we are in the midst of a pandemic and an economic meltdown. Plutocratic America is being feted for saying the right platitudes as they get away with corporate mergers and massive layoffs, while random plebs can have their lives ruined for no reason whatsoever. That we’re focusing on Confederate statues instead of that, or even on practical policy measures like the War on Drugs or whatever, says it all. The elites want us to think about us as a distraction.

  224. anon[988] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The nyt used to be a liberal newspaper. It’s now a committed leftist organization.

    It’s been a leftist organization since Walter Duranty won a Pulitzer by lying for Stalin in the 1930’s. That’s how Castro got his job as Cuban dictator – through the New Duranty Times.

    PragerU? Srsly? lol. How’s Ward Cleaver, is he still a “stud”? LOLZ!

  225. prosa123 says:
    @Almost Missouri

    It’s debatable whether and to what extent Warhol died young because of his gunshot injuries. He died following gallbladder surgery, and while that’s usually very low-risk it was much more complicated in his case, even without the effects of the gunshot, because he had let his condition deteriorate while avoiding surgery for way too long. Supposedly his gallbladder had begun to decay. There also were claims that the hospital provided inadequate care after the surgery, which led to a financial settlement.

  226. nebulafox says:
    @SFG

    I have noticed that high-functioning autistic men tend to be attracted to bisexuality or homosexuality mainly because men are way easier to understand and form ties with, and also do not take the same level of social skills to relieve sexual needs with. If you are looking for a sort of mentor figure for your first relationship, a not uncommon desire for a late blooming guy with ASD, you are much more likely to find it with another guy. This is coupled with the fact that autistic sexuality tends to be more abstract than it is for normal people: most normal straight men tend to feel deep revulsion at the idea of even intimately touching another guy that takes intense pornography exposure to slowly erode. In a previous era, most high-functioning types absorbed what were much more explicit and stronger social norms enough that they wouldn’t even think of this possibility, but obviously, nowadays…

    (Helped that getting a wife was easier back then.)

    It’s still not common: like blacks, our media makes out LGBT people to be a lot more numerically prominent than they actually are, and I suspect that is the case with every demographic regardless of mental wiring. But everything is relative.

  227. Regarding Warhol’s sexuality. As far as him dying a virgin it all depends on what the definition of is is. It quite possible that he never engaged in penis to vagina penetrative sex. If his rationale or coping mechanism for his sexuality told him that kept him “virgin” then perhaps it did.
    I read an article describing an 80’s meeting between Warhol and Thriller-era Michael Jackson. This was around the time Jackson made a pilgrimage to MTV in Manhattan. Apparently MTV mostly banned AA artists in their early days, fearing that they wouldn’t appeal to their audience. Jackson went on a publicity tour denouncing MTV for its racism which got Thriller into frequent rotation on that cable channel. Warhol reported that he was amused that jackson asked him if he any children. To Warhol this meant that Jackson didn’t know or understand a thing about him or his lifestyle. Little did Warhol know that Jackson was a bigger (sexual) freak than he could imagine.

  228. R.C. says:

    The black lady in the video is in perfect accord with my experiences with educated. open minded blacks, and which, being from ‘poorer’ parts of Florida since ~ 65, I’d guess I likely have greater such experience than most.
    As to the psycho ‘white’? / ‘suck my dick’ bitch from hell: I’m sure that she’s scary-evil; and guess that she’s prototypical NYC, but I don’t know.
    R.C.

  229. Rosie says:
    @anon

    Lol, in the current year girls get married at 27, the MRS degree is as dead as Disco.

    After living with a guy for several years, dropping various hints at every birthday, Christmas, and Valentine’s Day until he couldn’t put off popping the question any longer without seriously humiliating her.

    By age 24, 50% are married or cohabiting. Presumably, this number is higher for women.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/109402/age-24-marriage-wins.aspx

    • Replies: @anon
  230. @jesse helms think-alike

    He had a sad and lonely end that is the fate of anyone without a family and children.

    That’s not entirely true. Auster died surrounded by friends and admirers from all over the world. It was a sad thing to be sure, but I don’t know that it was a lonelier death than anyone else could look forward to.

    I emailed him words of encouragement shortly before he died and was pleased to read his energetic, positive replies. He was an incisive thinker, dedicated to plain talk even in his last days. I miss his writing and the man himself.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  231. @jesse helms think-alike

    At the end, he was discussing his bowel movements on his blog. At the time, I observed that one of the virtues of marriage, is that one can discuss one’s bowel movements with one’s wife. Another wifely function is to pick the lice out of your hair (in Brazil, at any rate).

  232. anon[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    By age 24, 50% are married or cohabiting. Presumably, this number is higher for women.

    Lol. That poll is from 2008, 12 years ago. It is irrelevant to the discussion because it commingles marriage and cohabitation, plus it ignores census data. But it feeds your confirmation bias, so you wave it around.

    Here is a data set that includes 2019. Note the age of first marriage last year? It’s gonna be higher next year, too.

    https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/time-series/demo/families-and-households/ms-2.pdf

    The MRS degree is as dead as Disco. Women get married first time in the US at age 27 to 28. Period.

    Still agree with Achmed re: avoid girls majoring in Psych. It’s a simple matter of self protection.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  233. Veracitor says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    I wish one of the voice actors would sue over this (The Simpsons firing voice actors who don’t share the imaginary “race” of the cartoons they voice). The usual “bona fide occupational qualification (BFOQ)” defense that protects entertainment producers against Title VII liability for racist casting of actors wouldn’t apply in this case, because the audience only sees the cartoons, not the voice actors, and we know from past practice that race/sex/age/etc don’t determine achievement in voice-acting.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  234. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Kobach (DHS)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Krikorian (domestic policy advisor)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb (State)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor (SecDef)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter (senior policy advisor)

    As for the rest, he could have taken Congressman from solidly red states with A ratings from this site:

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/tools/grades#tabset-2

    And he could have kept Sessions on at DoJ, instead of giving him the bum’s rush.

  235. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack Armstrong

    I’d like to see some white actors demand that blacks and asians no longer be cast as whites, like in all the retconned historical dramas on the BBC, or in Hamilton.

  236. @Kylie

    You made your point nicely Kylie. May I add, that Steve Sailer behaves in that regard pretty much like – Jean Paul (the writer/novelist/satirist/philosopher/ psychologist with the biggest active vocabulary in Germany – ever) and Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, who both were quite casual in their writing habits. Goethe let others proofread his books and didn’t even care much for the way, in which they corrected the manuscripts.

    As Swiss essayist and novelist Adolf Muschg once remarked, Goethe had a tendency to regularly make mistakes – when criticizing others.

  237. So, I’d figure he had a 3 digit IQ but not a huge one.

    As I pointed out in 2016, Warhol and Trump are not hugely dissimilar figures, super salesmen with a gift for explaining how New York works in crassly simple terms.

    If there’d be is a hint hidden about Trump’s IQ I’d be astounded that nobody mentioned it. So – it could just be me. Ok then. I’m just a Joker and a Smoker and a Midnight toker – I sure don’t want to hurt no one – – – .

  238. @Nicholas Stix

    Strikingly, when I reviewed an AP US History textbook about a decade ago, Larry Auster was mentioned in that (but the Wright Brothers were not mentioned at all). Larry didn’t get as many mentions as Senor Chanax, an illegal alien from Central American, but he was in the history book (as a bad guy) for his 1991 pamphlet.

  239. Rosie says:
    @anon

    It is irrelevant to the discussion because it commingles marriage and cohabitation,

    That is precisely what makes it relevant. It refutes catastrophic manosphere hyperbole about women not wanting to choose a mate until they’re approaching menopause.

    Are you to stupid to understand this? Or are you just a bad faith troll?

    • Replies: @anon
  240. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Williams

    He was an incisive thinker, dedicated to plain talk even in his last days. I miss his writing and the man himself.

    Could you please provide us an example of his plain talk, for those of us who didn’t know him?

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
  241. @Anon

    “Three members of the Minneapolis City Council who voted to eliminate the local police force are being protected by a private security detail that costs taxpayers $4,500 a day.”

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/27/minneapolis-council-members-who-voted-to-abolish-cops-get-private-security/

  242. @Jack D

    You need to reset your trick-selector. What is reported is ALWAYS what the writer’s beliefs happen to be on a given subject. You bounce around lecturing all and sundry here Jack, but you’re sporting a big fluffy pillow inside that thick skull of yours. You aren’t as sharp as you think you are. Original thought escapes you.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Jack D
  243. BB753 says:
    @James O'Meara

    Perhaps even feminists hate, hate, HATE beta and sissy males.

  244. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Pompeo, Haley, and Mulvaney all criticized Trump in 2016.

    Strange as it may seem to you, one can be critical of another person’s utterances without despising them.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  245. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    They are all foreign interventionists, and Trump ran a campaign against interventionism.

    ‘Interventionism’ is a nonsense term. Every serious student of foreign policy will develop a set of criteria as to when different sorts of blandishments and aversives are properly used – i.e. different sorts of interventions. The one exception to this rule might be a conceited knucklehead like Ron Paul, who simply pretends nothing ever goes wrong if the State Department does not will it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  246. @Mr. Anon

    Trump hired almost nobody who was loyal to the platform he ran on, except for Jeff Session, whom he treated abominably.

    The traitorous weasel Sessions hid his intended recusal until it was too late, allowing his coconspirators to launch their coup attempt. May he rot in hell.

    You are a naive chump if you actually believe the crap you write.

  247. @Anonymous

    Could you please provide us an example of his plain talk, for those of us who didn’t know him?

    I’d love to! Here’s a link to one of my favorite posts of Auster’s, his reading list: http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/006256.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  248. @J.Ross

    Considering that exercising your First Amendment in the streets is now an act of bravery, it would behoove citizens to stop off at the hardware store and buy these items; hammer home your Liberties:

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  249. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:

    Lee is at best a controversial figure (and at worst evil).

    The same can be said of Lincoln.

    Define “evil.”

  250. @Art Deco

    My comment wasn’t to say I agree with Brady’s medical examiner, it was just to say that public officials have been known to declare someone officially “murdered” even 33 years after the act.

    I am more than a little skeptical of the recent trend toward declaring decades-later deaths to be “died of wounds” suffered decades earlier. In some cases, it may even be true, but as your actuary table shows, how can you disentangle? It’s sort of a more plausible version of “George Floyd was a criminal because of redlining in 1940s.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  251. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @jesse helms think-alike

    that is the fate of anyone without a family and children.

    Could you elaborate?

  252. anon[268] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    That is precisely what makes it relevant. It refutes catastrophic manosphere hyperbole about women not wanting to choose a mate until they’re approaching menopause.

    A poll from 2008 refuting nothing that feeds your confirmation bias.

    Women marry for the first time at the age of 27 in the US, soon to be 28. If you understood elementary probability or even basic measures of central tendency you would realize how irrelevant that poll is.

    Men observe the behavior of women and note that as their age approaches 30 they switch from party girl mode to gotta-marry mode. That observation is supported by such facts as the average age of first marriage, a fact that the US Census confirms.

    Nobody claims that women don’t want to choose a mate until they are approaching menopause, that’s your hyperbole or, if you prefer, your obvious lie.

    Are you to stupid to understand this?

    Well, I know the difference between “to” and “too”…

    Or are you just a bad faith troll?

    …are you projecting again? Yes, you are projecting again. Did you get an English degree once?

    PS:
    The MRS degree is dead as Disco. The average age of a US woman at first marriage is 27. Facts. Deal with them.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Corvinus
  253. Rosie says:
    @anon

    PS:
    The MRS degree is dead as Disco. The average age of a US woman at first marriage is 27. Facts. Deal with them.

    Facts are one thing. Understanding their significance is another. You clearly struggle with the latter.

    I’m going to go with both: You’re stupid and you’re a bad faith troll.

    If half of women are either cohabiting with an exclusive partner or married at the age of 24, then clearly it’s not true that women switch from party girl to marriage-minded when they are approaching 30.

    (Note that, even if women were doing that, which they’re not) it would be no different from what men have always done.)

    • Replies: @anon
  254. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Williams

    Thank you

  255. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    Strange as it may seem to you, one can be critical of another person’s utterances without despising them.

    And one can despise another person too. And they do despise Trump. At this point, I can’t say I blame them; there’s a lot to despise.

  256. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    ‘Interventionism’ is a nonsense term. Every serious student of foreign policy will develop a set of criteria as to when different sorts of blandishments and aversives are properly used – i.e. different sorts of interventions. The one exception to this rule might be a conceited knucklehead like Ron Paul, who simply pretends nothing ever goes wrong if the State Department does not will it.

    No, it is not a “nonsense term”, you preening idiot. And it is not the case that nothing ever goes wrong unless the State Department wills it, it is that nothing ever seems to go right, despite the State Department willing it.

    As I said, you are a naive – or just willfully stupid – chump.

  257. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ozymandias

    You don’t seem to understand the job of Attorney General. It is not be the President’s consiglieri. Sessions had no choice but to recuse himself. And you should look up Ann Coulter’s column where she illustrates how Trump mostly brought the Special Investigator down on himself through his own stupidity. Rosenstein fired Comey and said it was due to his bungling the Hillary Clinton investigation. Then Trump – for no reason other than that he can’t shut his yap – told Lester Holt of NBC on air that, no, Trump ordered Comey to be fired because of the Russia probe.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    , @Hibernian
  258. @Jim Christian

    What Jack is saying is that what he was saying is not what he was saying; he was saying what someone else was saying.

    Just saying.

  259. Jack D says:
    @Jim Christian

    What is reported is ALWAYS what the writer’s beliefs happen to be on a given subject.

    Really? So when Shirer wrote The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich he was really a Nazi?

    Just for the record, I am against the violent overthrow of the US government. You’ve got to break a lot of eggs to make an omelet, but in the case of violent revolution eggs usually means countless human lives and the omelet is usually a bloody mess that you would not really want to eat anyway.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Art Deco
  260. Jack D says:
    @Almost Missouri

    See this article:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/arts/design/andy-warhols-death-not-so-routine-after-all.html

    It is fair to say that Warhol never really recovered from his wounds and that they contributed to his death.

    However, there were other factors. Warhol consumed more speed than food and was emaciated. He had a fear of surgery and waited far too long to have his gall bladder operated upon. Had he done so earlier he might well have survived his surgery.

  261. @Jack D

    We’re not talking about someone that wrote a book nor the downfall of a government. We’re talking ‘journalists’. Check 99% of the typists at WashPost, NYT and pretty much any Blue City/State newspapers,with each of them, there is an agenda, always to the Left, always anti-White.

    Brandishing Shirer and his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich is a red herring. That’s authoring, not journalism. And not of the modern age. Not by a damned sight.And what does Shirer know about it? I mean, beyond HIS agenda? And we all know what that is.

  262. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    A greater anxiety is that we don’t end up with a Pinochet. We end up with the military clown posse which ran Argentina (on and off) between 1930 and 1983.

    Right now, the whole educational, political and legal order and the discourse around them is a shambolic mess. It’s also a mess which has been shown, over a period of nearly 50 years, to be exceedingly resistant to incremental amendment. It’s difficult to see how anything is repaired through legal means. The closest you’d get to that would be a Peronist-type regime that’s electorally-based but runs over the court system and the opposition state governments. Our friend Mr. Anti-Gnostic asks the question, ‘can elections change the government’? Well, no they cannot. The current administration isn’t radical at all and sought only modest policy changes: more vigorous enforcement of immigration law, a more confrontational stance in trade negotiations, a more reserved and reasons-of-state driven foreign policy stance, and a change in the properties of those appointed to the federal courts. In my lifetime, these measures might have been advocated by Barbara Jordan, Robert Kuttner, Henry Kissinger, and John Ashcroft. The response of the Democratic Party, the permanent government, the media, and elements of academe has been frankly lunatic.

    Now we’re suffering a national case of St. Vitus Dance because a man in Minneapolis – who had a lethal quantum of fentanyl in his system – died shortly after he’d been arrested. All of this is predicated on a set of social fictions which are (1) not plausible to begin with and (2) easily shown to be false. And almost no one in public life is calling [email protected] on any of it. Tucker Carlson, to a degree. (Heather MacDonald’s not exactly a household name).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  263. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    All of this is predicated on a set of social fictions which are (1) not plausible to begin with and (2) easily shown to be false.

    Would you mind elaborating on this?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  264. @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, I am going to ask Steve to add a “Ball Buster ” button.

  265. @Steve Sailer

    A key scene in the 1941 movie, Sergeant York, is during basic training when York’s battalion commander is trying to convince him to fight. The commander sends York (played by Gary Cooper) on home leave. To help York make the right decision, he gives him an American History textbook, saying something like: “This is a story of free men, and how they formed a great nation.”

    Imagine giving someone a current American History textbook and saying …what?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  266. @Achmed E. Newman

    Mother Teresa was an evil sadist. Teresa of Kolkata was a moral monster, a sadistic religious fanatic who took pleasure in the suffering of others. She denied appropriate medical care to the sick and dying. She raised billions for the Vatican Bank.

    Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu might just be the greatest con artist, sham charity embezzler, and sadist the world has seen in the last 50 years.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Hibernian
  267. anon[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Facts are one thing. Understanding their significance is another. You clearly struggle with the latter.

    Your repeated denial of facts is just funny.

    I’m going to go with both: You’re stupid and you’re a bad faith troll.

    Projecting again, Rosie?
    lol

    If half of women are either cohabiting with an exclusive partner or married at the age of 24,

    A claim from 2008 based on a poll, with all the flaws that such polls are notorious for, but confirming your bias, yes. Better than a fortune cookie from the Asian food truck, but not much better.

    then clearly it’s not true that women switch from party girl to marriage-minded when they are approaching 30.

    And yet, in reality, we see that often. Thanks to feminists just like you!
    Be proud, Rosie! You’ve done your tiny part to help damage other women’s lives!

    (Note that, even if women were doing that, which they’re not) it would be no different from what men have always done.)

    Lol, no. When the average age of women at first marriage was 22, were they marrying 30-something ex-playboys? Nah, they were marrying men they met in college or on the job, at church, etc. Men who were 2 years older, on average. Look at the Census bureau chart, in the early 1980’s when women on average married at 22? The age of a man at first marriage was about 24.

    This concept is not difficult to understand for an honest person discussing in good faith. Why is it difficult for you, Rosie? Hmmm?

    Fact: The median age of US women at first marriage is 27, soon to be 28. Deny all you want, it’s fact.

    Here’s that chart again:
    https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/time-series/demo/families-and-households/ms-2.pdf

    Fact: The MRS degree is as dead as Disco.

    All the half truths, dissembling and outright lies you want to tell won’t change either of these. Facts don’t care about your feelze, Rosie. Deal with it.

  268. @Mr. Anon

    You don’t seem to understand the job of Attorney General.

    And you don’t seem to understand basic English. The point that I have made, repeatedly, is that Sessions hid his intended recusal until it was too late to do anything about it. Why don’t you go ahead and address that issue instead of trying to change the subject to the AG’s job requirements? Because I can assure you, good sir, that being a backstabbing little weasel is not on that list. That was all Jeff Sessions doing. May he rot in hell.

    P.S. Being the President’s wingman is also not on that list, all assertions from Eric Holder aside. But of course you did protest loudly when Holder made that statement. Didn’t you? Or did you have lesser concerns about the Attorney General’s job requirements at that time?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  269. @Adam Smith

    And here I thought Christopher Hitchens was dead.

    • LOL: black sea
  270. @Veracitor

    You’re arguing over some legal technical details, Veracitor, when all of it is stupid to begin with. I see no use arguing for just a lower level of stupidity. They want the white men out, ASAP. I wouldn’t just be suing if I enjoyed the voiceover job and was getting kicked off this 30-year-running show.

  271. @Ozymandias

    I guess some of Donald Trump’s stupidity and 14-y/o-schoolgirlish behavior has rubbed off on you. Besides Mr. Anon’s point, former and hopefully future Senator Jeff Sessions is a real immigration patriot (gets and A or A+ rating by people who care). He’s running in the primary for Alabama (now in the runoff on July 14th), and the vindictiveness of Trump has got him supporting the football coach running against Sessions.

    May Sessions win the election, and Trump has probably lost many votes for this petty behavior. Oh, unless he really doesn’t care that much about the immigration invasion… He does so much stupid stuff, it’s hard to know if he cares or not.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  272. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    The social fiction in question is that black Americans are subject to lethal violence from others. In the subset of homicides on which police statisticians have adequate data, 4% of all homicides feature non-black offenders and black victims. Only about 13% of all homicides cross that color bar, but in those cases 70% of the offenders are black.

    The Washington Post has for years been peddling the notion that the Bureau of Justice Statistics cannot count police killings. I don’t buy it, myself, but even in regard to their potted data, the proportion of police killings which feature black victims is less than what you’d expect given the composition of the violent segment of the criminal population (who are the sort of people you’d expect to get into gun battles with law enforcement). The offender data compiled by various means is consistent and clear that just north of 50% of homicide offenders are black and about 66% of robbery offenders are black.

    Again, most of the cases the race hustlers try to use all have holes in them. I don’t think that’s because they have better cases they’re hiding in their quivers. We have 640,000 police officers in this country who have scores of disagreeable encounters with people every week. Some of these end very badly and a subfraction of these do so because of police misconduct. That’s life in a very populous country with a comparatively large lumpenproletariat.

    Right now we have two sets of police officers facing murder charges even though we know perfectly well that one supposed victim had lethal levels of fentanyl in his blood and the other stole an arresting officer’s taser and shot another officer present with it. The surface reasons for the protests are utter humbug. The underlying reason is a complaint that low status people have the authority to arrest higher-status people. We really cannot live together if gentry liberals insist on this BS.

    Any one person has a soul as valuable as any other persons. However, the vast majority of us will be mourned by our family, our friends, or by people paying respects to bereaved friends. And when the deceased has badly flubbed his life and cannot be honestly eulogized except in bits and pieces, it’s embarrassing. Here we have a horse-drawn carriage in a public funeral cortege for a man who in life was the living embodiment of a half-dozen nasty cliches about black men as character types. I’m sure his mother and a half-dozen others were fond of him in spite of all, but no society composed of serious people honors such a person.

    Everything about this is indicative of how degenerate is the culture of gentry liberals and black chauvinists alike, and how they feed off each other.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Anonymous
  273. @Art Deco

    We need a “Hear, Hear” button for posts like this. Well said, AD.

  274. Corvinus says:
    @SimpleSong

    You can advocate “cultural partition” all you like and say you don’t want “certain whites around”. The problem is you lack the means and structures to make it a reality. In other words, what is your step by step plan? Please spell it out exactly how you will convince the general population that your proposal ought to be taken up. If you can’t even muster a cogent course of action to get 1 percent of the American population on board (3.5 million people), then all you are doing is merely stating pie in the sky notions.

  275. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    And for men, the average age for the American male to marry is 29.5 years. So it could be reasonable to say that they are also switching from party-dude mode to start-a-family-mode.

    • Replies: @anon
  276. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    In the subset of homicides on which police statisticians have adequate data, 4% of all homicides feature non-black offenders and black victims. Only about 13% of all homicides cross that color bar, but in those cases 70% of the offenders are black.

    Thank you for the explanation. I am sorry but I am having difficulty understanding and making sense of these statistics you cite. In part, maybe it is the phrase “that color bar.” But I would also add that statistic that 4% of all homicides are whites killing blacks seems very high.

  277. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    And for men, the average age for the American male to marry is 29.5 years.

    Congrats on reading a chart. That’s a step up for you.

    So it could be reasonable to say that they are also switching from party-dude mode to start-a-family-mode.

    Sure, to a feminist, or a really stupid liar – but I repeat myself. In the real world where normal people live, men don’t get married until they find a woman who is willing to marry them. US women aren’t generally serious about their desire to marry until they are around 26 – 27 years old. Briffault’s law applies to humans, this is obvious by inspection.

    Well, obvious to a normal thinking human, maybe not obvious to a racist troll like you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  278. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ozymandias

    And you don’t seem to understand basic English.

    1.) Go to Hell. 2.) No, apparently you don’t.

    The point that I have made, repeatedly, is that Sessions hid his intended recusal until it was too late to do anything about it.

    How so? Did Trump ask him if he would recuse himself? When? I trust the word of Jeff Sessions a lot more than I do of Donald Trump. If Trump didn’t know that Sessions would have to recuse himself concerning matters in which Sessions was involved, then Trump is an idiot. Which he is.

    P.S. Being the President’s wingman is also not on that list, all assertions from Eric Holder aside. But of course you did protest loudly when Holder made that statement. Didn’t you? Or did you have lesser concerns about the Attorney General’s job requirements at that time?

    What in the Hell are you talking about? I didn’t vote for Obama. I despised his entire administration. Did I miss something in civics? Do I – a commenter at iSteve – get a vote on confirming the Attorney General?

  279. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @David In TN

    Yes, good point, and in response to the question posed in the other thread: These are the Howard Zinn Riots

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
  280. J.Ross says:
    @Joe Stalin

    A Dewalt (ha!) hammer and a Goth-industrial noose, very nice. Is the Milwaukee hammer twenty dollars more but not really any better, and the Ryobi hammer looks like it turns into a robot?

  281. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    “Congrats on reading a chart. That’s a step up for you.”

    Actually, I’ve evolved into free styling artwork. You’re still in the paint by numbers stage.

    “In the real world where normal people live, men don’t get married until they find a woman who is willing to marry them.”

    Actually, it’s men AND women who don’t get married until they find someone who is willing to get hitched.

    “US women aren’t generally serious about their desire to marry until they are around 26 – 27 years old.”

    And as I correctly noted, U.S. men aren’t generally serious until their late 20’s. Why do you avoid acknowledging this obvious fact? It appears both sexes in recent times are delaying marriage for a host of reasons.

    “Briffault’s law applies to humans, this is obvious by inspection.”

    With men and women today deciding what benefits they desire in a relationship, and if those benefits are lacking or do not continue, they may decide to work toward securing them or to seek them elsewhere. But you are affording way too much credit here as far as women controlling the strings. See, men today are de-programming themselves from being assigned a particular worth by women, and as a result, waiting longer to marry. Hence, the birth of the “red pill” and “MGTOW” movements in the last 20 years. Men increasingly are not being tied to living up to whatever women’s preferred definition of what is a man and what benefits they MUST provide, because men are defining that concept for themselves as to what is masculine and manly and the benefits they WILL provide.

    “Well, obvious to a normal thinking human…”

    Normal and thinking are not words that describe you.

  282. The evaluators also noted her intelligence-test scores, which placed her in the 98th percentile.

    http://www.hellsms.com

  283. @Daniel Williams

    She kinda looked like Donovan:

    But could she do this?

  284. @Anonymous

    These are the Howard Zinn Riots

    Look downstream. These are the Darlene from Roseanne riots.

  285. anon[367] • Disclaimer says:

    “In the real world where normal people live, men don’t get married until they find a woman who is willing to marry them.”

    Actually, it’s men AND women who don’t get married until they find someone who is willing to get hitched.

    Women choose when they will marry, men cannot force them to do so.

    “US women aren’t generally serious about their desire to marry until they are around 26 – 27 years old.”

    And as I correctly noted, U.S. men aren’t generally serious until their late 20’s.

    Nope. Men do not get to force women to marry them. Men marry when women decide.

    Why do you avoid acknowledging this obvious fact?

    lol

    It appears both sexes in recent times are delaying marriage for a host of reasons.

    Since men cannot force women to marry, the delay is due to women’s choices.

    “Briffault’s law applies to humans, this is obvious by inspection.”

    Did you look up Briffault yet?

    . But you are affording way too much credit here as far as women controlling the strings.

    Women control when they will marry. Men cannot force them to marry. No strings, just facts you continue to avoid.

    See, men today are de-programming themselves from being assigned a particular worth by women, and as a result, waiting longer to marry. Hence, the birth of the “red pill” and “MGTOW” movements in the last 20 years.

    Lol. MGTOW is a reaction to women’s behaviors. The red pill is something you cannot understand.

    Women choose when they wish to marry. In the US that age keeps going up. It’s a simple fact. The MRS degree is as dead as Disco.

    If you were not a paid, racist troll you would be able to admit to such facts easily.

  286. @Steve Sailer

    Around the same time, my kid’s middle school US History textbook mentioned Booker T. Washington, but not George, and the two white history profs listed as authors exaggerated J.P. Morgan’s wealth by a factor of around 450.

  287. @Achmed E. Newman

    I guess some of Donald Trump’s stupidity and 14-y/o-schoolgirlish behavior has rubbed off on you.

    What I said to Mr. Anon was a copy and paste of what he had just said to me.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  288. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ozymandias

    What I said to Mr. Anon was a copy and paste of what he had just said to me.

    No, it what I said to Art Deco.

  289. Hibernian says:
    @Mr. Anon

    It is not be the President’s consiglieri.

    That is the job of the White House Counsel.

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