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From the NYT:

Three Teams of Coordinated Attackers Carried Out Assault on Paris, Officials Say; Hollande Blames ISIS
By ADAM NOSSITER, AURELIEN BREEDEN and KATRIN BENNHOLD NOV. 14, 2015 1505 COMMENTS

PARIS — Three teams of Islamic State attackers acting in unison carried out the terrorist assault in Paris on Friday night, officials said Saturday, including one assailant who may have traveled to Europe on a Syrian passport along with the flow of migrants.

“It is an act of war that was committed by a terrorist army, a jihadist army, Daesh, against France,” President François Hollande told the nation from the Élysée Palace, using an Arabic acronym for the Islamic State. “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”

As the death toll rose to 129 — with 352 others wounded, 99 of them critically — a basic timeline of the attacks came into view.

… The man with the Syrian passport — which Greek officials said had been registered at the Aegean island of Leros on Oct. 3 — was 25, and died at the stadium. Another assailant, who died at the concert hall, was 29 and a native of Courcouronnes, about 20 miles south of Paris. He had a criminal record and was known to be involved in extremist Islamic ideology, Mr. Molins said.

The hunt for possible accomplices of the terrorists gained steam on Saturday. Officials in Belgium announced three arrests, one of them linked to a rental car found in Paris. In Germany, the police were exploring whether a man they arrested last week with weapons in his car and his GPS navigator set for Paris was linked to the attacks. But it remained unclear how a plot of such sophistication and lethality could have escaped the notice of intelligence agencies, both in France and abroad.

As Mao said, “The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.”

The possibility that one of the attackers was a migrant or had posed as one is sure to further complicate the already vexing problem for Europe of how to handle the unceasing flow of people from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen, the leader of the National Front party, who on Saturday held a news conference to declare that “France and the French are no longer safe.”

Mr. Hollande actively stepped up French participation in the military air campaign in Syria at the end of September. …

The death toll far surpassed that of a massacre at the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo and related attacks by Islamic extremists around the French capital in January. Friday’s attacks were the deadliest in Europe since the 2004 train bombings in Madrid, which killed 191 people. …

… Bertrand Bourgeois, 42, an accountant, was lost in thought as he cast a fishing line beneath the Invalides bridge.

He normally avoids fishing in Paris, he said, preferring quieter sections of the Seine near his home in Poissy, a northwest suburb. But after the violence, he said he felt drawn to come into the city out of a sense of solidarity.

Although his wife asked him to stay home, “something in me felt like it was important to be here, to say ‘still alive,’ ” Mr. Bourgeois said.

“I feel sickened, angry,” he said. Coming so soon after the attacks in January, he said, “It is starting to be too much.” …

Is “Bertrand Bourgeois” a real name or one the French gentleman chose symbolically?

Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany gave an emotional national address on Saturday pledging solidarity with the French government and people, and calling on all Europeans to stand together in defiance of an attack on the liberties the Continent represents.

“We, your German friends, we are so close with you,” said Ms. Merkel, dressed in black. “We are crying with you. Together with you, we will fight against those who have carried out such an unfathomable act against you.”

“Those who we mourn were murdered in front of cafes, in restaurants, in a concert hall or on the open street. They wanted to live the life of free people in a city that celebrates life,” she said, her voice breaking. “And they met with murderers who hate this life of freedom.”

 
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  1. As Herbert Stein once said, “What can’t go on forever, won’t.”

    Just wait until these jihadis shoot up a couple of shopping malls on Black Friday. Easy to do, and ISIS (or whoever) doesn’t need suicide guys to do it. I am surprised they have not done it already.

    A lot of people are gonna die before this is over, and I may be one of them. …

    • Replies: @jon
    How do you get the gold box around your post? Is it bestowed from on high?

    A lot of people are gonna die before this is over, and I may be one of them. …
     
    Unfortunately, I think you are right - we are long past any possible outcomes that don't involve a lot of violence.
    , @Anonymous
    Go long Amazon and Netflix.
    , @AndrewR
    Given the quality of the average Black Friday shopper, that may not be the worst thing in the world.
    , @Chris Mallory
    Maybe if they hit the Northeast or California, anywhere else and they will run into armed Americans. Personally, I would let them have New Jersey on north, nothing good has come from that part of the country in 220 years.
    , @SFG
    If your name is really 'Jim Don Bob', or it's representative of your Southernness, I don't think you have much to worry about.

    First of all, these people don't even know most southern cities exist. I doubt anyone outside the USA knows where Atlanta or Charlotte is. They've probably heard of Texas, but see below.

    Also, as Chris Mallory says, Americans have guns in most places. Some part of me really, really wants to see them try this in Texas. (The other part of me knows they'd probably get a few Texans before they went down.)
  2. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    High probability Mossad.

    Hollande is going to bomb not ISIS…he is going to bomb Syrian infrastructure that will result in the death of several thousand Syrian Civilians.

    If Assad fires off the very accurate Russian cruise missiles and sinks the aircraft carrier Charles DeGaul..well, we are looking at a declaration of war by France against Syria…and then we arrive at: 10…9…8…7…6…5…4…3……2…1…0 mushroom crowd followed by the billion year reign of the various blattaria species(psychopathic War Criminal John Bolton’s favorite species)!!!…All of this could happen real fast.

    We are truly in a very dangerous situation….its very real folks! It will be the end of Fantasy Football…that’s for sure.

  3. “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”

    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen…”

    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is “one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin.” Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    • Replies: @Anon
    ----------It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen…-------------------

    Every time some right-wing gentile nut carries out violence, we should say, "It could also lend weight to Europhobic arguments of Jewish supremacists like Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, and George Soros."

    Don't blame the right-wing killer. Blame those shameless and unscrupulous Europhobes who would dare to exploit the issue for political gain.
    , @gruff

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?
     
    Good question. Just working with Google translate I came up with:

    οικείος - intimate, familiar
    φυλή - race, tribe, clan
    έθνος - nation, race

    Anglicised, that would give us

    ecophobe
    phylophobe
    ethnophobe

    Not sure how satisfactory these are. Any scholars of Greek able to help?


    Merkel deliberately doesn't understand: it's not an attack on "liberties". It's an attack on Europeans, period.

    As to how the plot went undetected: jihadis are obviously using nonelectronic communications whenever possible. All intelligent subversives do or should do the same. Anything digital is as good as public.
    , @Anonymous
    The Greek term would be "autophobia".
    , @Chase
    Oikaphobia.

    That's per James Taranto.
    , @San Joaquin Sam

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?
     
    Oikophobia
    , @Bill Jones
    "“It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”"

    Perfectly describes Hollande's illegal bombing of Damascus, No?

    , @BB753
    I always use xenophile. It sounds nasty enough. "unnatural love of foreigners, implying a lack thereof towards one's kin".
    , @Jack Strocchi
    Istevefan @ #2 said:


    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is “one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin.” Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?
     

    Egophobe.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?"

    The word you're looking for is: Liberal
    , @Desiderius

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.
     
    Why do so many make this basic error.

    They do not hate their own kind - they do not recognize those they hate as kindred. It is why they've gone to such lengths to dehumanize us first. Guilty people are not smug.

    It's not themselves they hate. It is you and I.
    , @Anonym
    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?

    I just use "self-hating white person". Basically the analog of self-hating Jew. Liberals hate it, because the truth hurts.

    , @Harold
    Well, since these people use ‘populist’ as a slur we could call them demophobes.

    From the New Oxford American Dictionary

    Populist : a member or adherent of a political party seeking to represent the interests of ordinary people.

    Demos : the populace as a political unit.
    , @Harold
    cucks.
    , @Foreign Expert

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?
     
    Occi-phobe?
    , @pyrrhus
    Le Pen was not xenophobic, she was prophetic....
    , @Jimi
    How about Jellyby's Disorder, after the Charles Dickens character Mrs. Jellyby who neglected her husband and children to do philanthropic work for an obscure African tribe.
    , @Hail
    Ethnomasochist.
    , @Jack Strocchi
    Istevefan @ # 2 said:


    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?
     

    Patriphobia
  4. Together with you, we will fight against those who have carried out such an unfathomable act against you.

    It’s actually quite fathomable, in fact, I would venture to guess that just about everyone who reads this blog fathomed exactly this.

    And they met with murderers who hate this life of freedom.

    Yes, exactly as Bush said: “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?

    • Replies: @CK
    The less of something you allow; the more you brag about your allowance.
    , @Curle

    “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?
     
    Because it is easier to justify a military response as defending freedom than securing the safety of white people. Doesn't piss the lefties off quite as much.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Yes, exactly as Bush said: “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?"

    If true, western governments have a solution for this problem: to steadily make us less free so that muslims will have nothing to hate.
    , @AnAnon
    "Yes, exactly as Bush said: “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?" - it worked for bush, so why not them? challenging the real reason for the hatred(we hate you as a people because you exist) raises uncomfortable questions for the left.
  5. They’re saying there were three teams, but I can’t reconcile this with the accounts of how many terrororists were killed and where (the suicide bombers at the stadium and the killers at the concert hall)…does this mean the team who shot people on the streets and in cafes is still at large???
    Oh, btw politicians in Germany have already expressed their concern that the attacks might be exploited by right-wing “propaganda”…just sickening.

    • Replies: @Perspective
    Salon has already, predictably, published an article saying the blame lies with "us".
    , @rod1963
    There were probably more terrorists than those who blew themselves up, I think the authorities are just saying that to placate the people.

    Still to pull it off required 2-3x as many people working in the background, it would all be compartmentalized so as to minimize info leaks. In short there is a existing infrastructure in place to plan and pull off these attacks. This was not the work of bozos like the Tsarnev brothers.

    Chances are there are more attacks in the pipeline between now and Christmas.
  6. Like a lot of others here, I was quite cynical about another attack in Europe producing any real change, but maybe there are reasons why things could be different this time. They have found two Syrian passports already. European voters can be pretty myopic and forgetful, but it’s pretty hard to ignore that there has been such recent controversy about letting this vast wave of immigrants into Europe, and now it has borne bitter fruit so soon. And they are still coming. What chance the Eastern Europeans taking any now? How can liberals in the West really tar them as racist Islamophobes when they refuse to accept them as a security risk? And how are the hundreds of thousands already here now going to be processed and checked? What responsiblity will Angela Merkal and Germany have to take? Just how many potential terrorists were there amongst the recent influx? What moral authority does the EU have left when it comes to negotiations with Britain (or anyone) over EU membership and the border arrangements tha go with it?

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    now it would be great to have some insights into refugee camps in Sweden, Germany etc. One would need to have some arab speaking guys who listened to and watched the refugees in the moment the news from Paris came in. How did they react? What share of refugees seemed to feel desperate because they have fled from IS in the near East and now IS has followed. What share of refugees were obviously proud of their jihadi brothers. What share of IS had mixed reactions, like: well this was little to gruesome, but still the Europeans had it coming
  7. @jon

    Together with you, we will fight against those who have carried out such an unfathomable act against you.
     
    It's actually quite fathomable, in fact, I would venture to guess that just about everyone who reads this blog fathomed exactly this.

    And they met with murderers who hate this life of freedom.
     
    Yes, exactly as Bush said: "They hate our freedom!" Why does this get repeated so often?

    The less of something you allow; the more you brag about your allowance.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Yes, exactly as Bush said: “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?"

    "The less of something you allow; the more you brag about your allowance."

    This might be correct.
  8. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The Mao quote doesn’t quite work.

    Mao was talking about resistance against imperialism and/or ruling class within the native territory. This was true enough of the Vietnam War where Viet Cong had local support among the peasantry.

    The native masses of Europe are the whites. Sure, the terrorists travel with the masses of non-terrorists, but they don’t represent the Europeans. Also, I would wager that most ‘refugees’ are not supportive of these terrorists. If anything, most refugees seem to be fleeing from the war zone created by terrorists and Jihadis.

    The real question is WHO allowed these Jihadis to get out of hand?

    We must blame the West that is overly guided by globalist Zionists.

    It was Zionist agenda to weaken Arab and/or Muslim states. Get rid of Hussein, topple Gaddafi, and weaken Assad by creating ‘civil war ‘conditions in those countries. Without Western intervention, the ruling regimes would have crushed dissent quickly and restored order.

    And then, let’s not forget it was the globalist Zionist media led by NYT and Economist that were calling for Europe to welcome these ‘refugees’.

    The main blame must go with the Zionists.
    Jihadis did it, but they were enabled in a big way by Western policy directed by Neocons and Lib Zionists.

  9. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeois_(surname)

    One who lives in a fortified dwelling such as Burgess but not Philby.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Jorge Luis Borges, Anthony Burgess, etc.
  10. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    ———-It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen…——————-

    Every time some right-wing gentile nut carries out violence, we should say, “It could also lend weight to Europhobic arguments of Jewish supremacists like Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, and George Soros.”

    Don’t blame the right-wing killer. Blame those shameless and unscrupulous Europhobes who would dare to exploit the issue for political gain.

  11. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?

    Good question. Just working with Google translate I came up with:

    οικείος – intimate, familiar
    φυλή – race, tribe, clan
    έθνος – nation, race

    Anglicised, that would give us

    ecophobe
    phylophobe
    ethnophobe

    Not sure how satisfactory these are. Any scholars of Greek able to help?

    Merkel deliberately doesn’t understand: it’s not an attack on “liberties”. It’s an attack on Europeans, period.

    As to how the plot went undetected: jihadis are obviously using nonelectronic communications whenever possible. All intelligent subversives do or should do the same. Anything digital is as good as public.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    Autogenophobe? Misautophyl? Misautogene? I don't speak Greek either, so these probably sound barbarous.
    , @gruff
    leukophobia - fear of white
    , @Anonymous

    Anglicised, that would give us

    ecophobe
    phylophobe
    ethnophobe

    Not sure how satisfactory these are. Any scholars of Greek able to help?
     
    Here's the thing, didn't we all learn in school that "xenophobia" is BAD, and so most of us now have a conditioned negative response to anything described as xenophobic? With regard to the words above, many of us are most likely not familiar with them, nor have we been conditioned to have a negative association with them.
    , @CuiPertinebit
    The Greek word for "yourself" is σεαυτοῦ (seautú, seaftú in the Biblical/Modern pronunciation) (Ancient Greek has only genitive, dative and accusative forms; Modern Greek has a nominative). This is the combination of σύ (sý, you) and αυτοῦ (autú), meaning "self, same, very thing," etc. That is why "auto" is used as a prefix for "self" in many words - "automobile" = "self moving," "autonomy" = self-governance, etc.).

    In English we sometimes use "you" in a generic sense, whereas in Greek it is specifically "you." They would use εαυτου more properly for "one's own, one's self, something/things belonging to one," in a generic sense. So, "eautophobia" would mean "fear of one's own, fear of one's own self." "Miseautonist" could be "one who loathes or despises his own self." "Miseautoëconist," or "miseautogenist," or "miseautoethnist" could mean "hater of one's own household/ancestry/nationality," in that order.
    , @Robin Corkery
    I believe Steve came up with the term ethnomasochist.
  12. What would have to happen, hypothetically, for Obama to cancel taking in Syrian refugees? Does such a threshold exist?

    • Replies: @Curle

    What would have to happen, hypothetically, for Obama to cancel taking in Syrian refugees? Does such a threshold exist?
     
    If the country became 50% or more black.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Republicans could push the issue and win the media war.
    , @AndrewR
    A supermajority of Americans rising up
    , @Erik Sieven
    when Syrians would show some signs of being racist against blacks?
  13. @jon

    Together with you, we will fight against those who have carried out such an unfathomable act against you.
     
    It's actually quite fathomable, in fact, I would venture to guess that just about everyone who reads this blog fathomed exactly this.

    And they met with murderers who hate this life of freedom.
     
    Yes, exactly as Bush said: "They hate our freedom!" Why does this get repeated so often?

    “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?

    Because it is easier to justify a military response as defending freedom than securing the safety of white people. Doesn’t piss the lefties off quite as much.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    The West's wars endanger the saftey of white people.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Because it is easier to justify a military response as defending freedom than securing the safety of white people. Doesn’t piss the lefties off quite as much."

    Except that our military interventions don't secure secure our safety. They make us less safe.
  14. @Steve Austen
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeois_(surname)

    One who lives in a fortified dwelling such as Burgess but not Philby.

    Jorge Luis Borges, Anthony Burgess, etc.

    • Replies: @franktremb
    There are 3 358 "Bourgeois" listed in Quebec's phone books and from your review of "The Son Also Rises", French Canadians probably don't come from the French gentry: http://www.fr.canada411.ca/search/si/1/Bourgeois/Canada/
  15. @duderino
    What would have to happen, hypothetically, for Obama to cancel taking in Syrian refugees? Does such a threshold exist?

    What would have to happen, hypothetically, for Obama to cancel taking in Syrian refugees? Does such a threshold exist?

    If the country became 50% or more black.

  16. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    The Greek term would be “autophobia”.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That one is simple it enough that it might catch on, although, keep in mind, my batting average at getting words and phrases to catch on is .000
    , @Mark Eugenikos
    How about "egophobia"? "Autophobia" is correct, since "auto" in Greek is "self", but it sounds like a fear of cars. Other choices (phylo, ethno), while correct, aren't as direct and impactful as "ego".

    Warning: my chosen screen name notwithstanding, I am not an expert on Greek language.

  17. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Oikaphobia.

    That’s per James Taranto.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    Taranto borrowed it from Roger Scruton:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikophobia

    , @nydwracu
    Afraid of oiks?
  18. “We are crying with you”

    ISIS will crumble before our Multinational Weeping Corps!

  19. @Jim Don Bob
    As Herbert Stein once said, "What can't go on forever, won't."

    Just wait until these jihadis shoot up a couple of shopping malls on Black Friday. Easy to do, and ISIS (or whoever) doesn't need suicide guys to do it. I am surprised they have not done it already.

    A lot of people are gonna die before this is over, and I may be one of them. ...

    How do you get the gold box around your post? Is it bestowed from on high?

    A lot of people are gonna die before this is over, and I may be one of them. …

    Unfortunately, I think you are right – we are long past any possible outcomes that don’t involve a lot of violence.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Don't know how I got the gold box, but I am honored. Maybe it is related to the $10000 I sent Steve in Bitcoins.

    Not.

    This got cut from my previous post: http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
  20. @Anonymous
    The Greek term would be "autophobia".

    That one is simple it enough that it might catch on, although, keep in mind, my batting average at getting words and phrases to catch on is .000

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Um, what about microaggressions and "invade the world, invite the world", etc.?
    , @SEATAF
    You've got brilliant coinages. The problem, I hate to say, is that they can be traced back to you, and reading iSteve is about as acceptable in SWPL land as reading the Daily Worker was in 1950.
  21. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?

    Oikophobia

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Oikophobia

    It makes me laugh instead of feel revulsion, as xenophobia does.
  22. @German_reader
    They're saying there were three teams, but I can't reconcile this with the accounts of how many terrororists were killed and where (the suicide bombers at the stadium and the killers at the concert hall)...does this mean the team who shot people on the streets and in cafes is still at large???
    Oh, btw politicians in Germany have already expressed their concern that the attacks might be exploited by right-wing "propaganda"...just sickening.

    Salon has already, predictably, published an article saying the blame lies with “us”.

    • Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
    When is someone going to dig into where Salon gets its money? It was a good site circa 2000, then had a near-death experience in 2003 after which it mysteriously made more than a full recovery accompanied by a hard left turn. Since then it reads like the sillier pages of the Daily Worker. According to Wikipedia it has never made a profit. Who's been bankrolling it? A foreign power interested in stirring up unrest?
    , @Stan D Mute

    Salon has already, predictably, published an article saying the blame lies with “us”.
     
    And a broken clock is right once a day. For once Salon gets it right. The blame most assuredly does lie with them. The Arabs and Africans will do as they always do. Expecting otherwise is idiocy, akin to keeping a tiger as a house pet. When the Arab or African explodes in violence killing unprepared civilians it is no different from when the tiger kills and eats your children. The blame is on the fool who allowed the beast into their home
    , @Bill Jones
    "Salon has already, predictably, published an article saying the blame lies with “us”."

    If it was Syrians then the blame certainly lies with Hollande for his illegal bombing of Damascus.
  23. @Jim Don Bob
    As Herbert Stein once said, "What can't go on forever, won't."

    Just wait until these jihadis shoot up a couple of shopping malls on Black Friday. Easy to do, and ISIS (or whoever) doesn't need suicide guys to do it. I am surprised they have not done it already.

    A lot of people are gonna die before this is over, and I may be one of them. ...

    Go long Amazon and Netflix.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce

    Go long Amazon and Netflix.
     
    Did anyone else notice that Amazon made a change to their homepage today? I don't ever recall seeing a political statement on Amazon before:

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/amazon-has-a-very-simple-but-poignant-message-on-its-homepage-705686.html

  24. Slaughterhouse Europe

  25. @duderino
    What would have to happen, hypothetically, for Obama to cancel taking in Syrian refugees? Does such a threshold exist?

    Republicans could push the issue and win the media war.

  26. @Curle

    “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?
     
    Because it is easier to justify a military response as defending freedom than securing the safety of white people. Doesn't piss the lefties off quite as much.

    The West’s wars endanger the saftey of white people.

    • Replies: @gruff
    Very true. When will a truly isolationist, noninterventionist political movement arise?

    Probably never, because there's a lot of money to be made.
  27. @Anonymous
    The Greek term would be "autophobia".

    How about “egophobia”? “Autophobia” is correct, since “auto” in Greek is “self”, but it sounds like a fear of cars. Other choices (phylo, ethno), while correct, aren’t as direct and impactful as “ego”.

    Warning: my chosen screen name notwithstanding, I am not an expert on Greek language.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Europhobia
    , @Desiderius

    How about “egophobia”?
     
    Yes, if only SJWs had some more self-esteem.

    Where does this mental block comes from?
    , @Trumpenprole
    How about misogenous. I realize genus is a latin root, but its kind of a play on misogynous. Hatred of the people. Or maybe anticladon... anticladeon, one who is against the ancestry. Perhaps we should switch to spanish where you can append -se to the end to make it reflexive. Odiogentese!
  28. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    ““It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.””

    Perfectly describes Hollande’s illegal bombing of Damascus, No?

  29. So this might be the dumbest response yet:

    To people blaming refugees for attacks in Paris tonight. Do you not realise these are the people the refugees are trying to run away from..?

    It’s hard to even give a fair reading to the tortured logic that would create such a tweet. We let people the refugees are running from into our country, so the obvious answer is more immigration.

    • Replies: @Perspective
    My idiot friend posted that on his twitter feed. He's studying journalism, so I'm really hoping that his twitter posts are a smoke screen.
  30. @gruff

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?
     
    Good question. Just working with Google translate I came up with:

    οικείος - intimate, familiar
    φυλή - race, tribe, clan
    έθνος - nation, race

    Anglicised, that would give us

    ecophobe
    phylophobe
    ethnophobe

    Not sure how satisfactory these are. Any scholars of Greek able to help?


    Merkel deliberately doesn't understand: it's not an attack on "liberties". It's an attack on Europeans, period.

    As to how the plot went undetected: jihadis are obviously using nonelectronic communications whenever possible. All intelligent subversives do or should do the same. Anything digital is as good as public.

    Autogenophobe? Misautophyl? Misautogene? I don’t speak Greek either, so these probably sound barbarous.

  31. “Oikophobia” is not very good, because it derives from “oikos” which means house or household. It’s where the “eco” in economics i.e. household management comes from.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    The conservative philosopher Roger Scruton, of course, has written extensively on what he, at least, calls Oikophobia.

    Nobody brought up in post-war England can fail to be aware of the educated derision that has been directed at our national loyalty by those whose freedom to criticise would have been extinguished years ago, had the English not been prepared to die for their country...

    No adequate word exists for this attitude, though its symptoms
    are instantly recognised: namely, the disposition, in any
    conflict, to side with ‘them’ against ‘us’, and the felt need to
    denigrate the customs, culture and institutions that are
    identifiably ‘ours’. Being the opposite of xenophobia I
    propose to call this state of mind oikophobia, by which I
    mean (stretching the Greek a little) the repudiation of
    inheritance and home. Oikophobia is a stage through which
    the adolescent mind normally passes. But it is a stage in
    which some people—intellectuals especially—tend to
    become arrested. As George Orwell pointed out, intellectu-
    als on the Left are especially prone to it, and this has often
    made them willing agents of foreign powers.
    4
    The Cambridge spies offer a telling illustration of what oikophobia
    has meant for our country. And it is interesting to note that
    a recent BBC ‘docudrama’ constructed around that deplor-
    able episode neither examined the realities of their treason
    nor addressed the suffering of the millions of their East
    European victims, but merely endorsed the oikophobia that
    had caused the spies to act as they did.

    http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/cs49-8.pdf
  32. @Perspective
    Salon has already, predictably, published an article saying the blame lies with "us".

    When is someone going to dig into where Salon gets its money? It was a good site circa 2000, then had a near-death experience in 2003 after which it mysteriously made more than a full recovery accompanied by a hard left turn. Since then it reads like the sillier pages of the Daily Worker. According to Wikipedia it has never made a profit. Who’s been bankrolling it? A foreign power interested in stirring up unrest?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Maybe somebody thinking they can cash it out like Arianna did with HuffPo. Somebody did actually by the corpse of MySpace.
    , @Boomstick
    They get most of their money to cover losses from the Warnock family (John Warnock was a founder of Adobe) and the Hambrecht family, of Hambrecht & Quist fame. H&Q was one of the early venture capital firms and had a hand in Apple, Adobe, Netscape, and Amazon. Members of both families are on the Salon board.

    Salon has the basic business model of an old-time policy magazine: wealthy patrons subsidize the losses. Unfortunately the quality isn't anywhere close to the old, pre-web magazines. They aim at just about the lowest popular demographic. I mean, if you're going to subsidize a political magazine it might as well be somewhat genteel so it can rub off on you.

    I suspect Unz gets a better bang for his buck.
    , @Neil Templeton
    I think Digby Parton is a good writer.
    , @Olorin
    Boomstick is correct. The structure of the thing is left over from the old hippies at The WELL. It appears to run mainly on having a nominal structure against which various amounts can be borrowed:

    "Based on information available to Salon, the holders of Salon’s Series A, B, C and D preferred stock collectively own approximately 95% of all voting securities. These stockholders therefore own a controlling interest in Salon. Of this amount, approximately 76% is held by former Directors and related parties, of which approximately 20% is controlled directly or indirectly by William Hambrecht and approximately 37% by Chairman and Director John Warnock. Therefore, related parties by themselves own a controlling interest in Salon."

    http://edgar.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1084332/000143774913001586/smg_10q-123112.htm

    I don't know, IOW, whether it has any money at all. Those who write regularly or occasionally for it probably don't need it, being Trustafarian types, or Poor Unappreciated Writers of Social Justice.

    Horns like Salon honk along, always with a crop of young turks ready to write for it, in order to establish street cred with the truly wealthy who have foundations and NGOs and stuff. Thus Salon serves the function of a high school/campus newspaper/radio station--a farm team, in this case for the big lefty money masters.

    Its older founders and earlier CxOs, like Richard Gingras, have already gone on to lucrative and powerful positions (he with Google).

  33. @Mark Eugenikos
    How about "egophobia"? "Autophobia" is correct, since "auto" in Greek is "self", but it sounds like a fear of cars. Other choices (phylo, ethno), while correct, aren't as direct and impactful as "ego".

    Warning: my chosen screen name notwithstanding, I am not an expert on Greek language.

    Europhobia

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Or leukophobia. "Leukos" is the word for white.

    "Ego" wouldn't be good because it means specifically "I", rather than self in a general sense. Also, "ego" is an already used term with certain psychological connotations.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Eurothanatomania

    Leukothanatophilia

    Hesperothanasia
    , @Desiderius

    Europhobia
     
    C'mon Steve! (mmm, Def Leppard)

    They adore everything Euro.

    Jingophobia.
    , @Perspective
    As others have already mentioned, I think oikophobia, as coined by British philosopher Roger Scruton is the way to go. According to Scruton it means: "the repudiation of inheritance and home."He argued that it is "a stage through which the adolescent mind normally passes", but that it is a feature of some, typically leftist, political impulses and ideologies which espouse xenophilia (preference for alien cultures).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikophobia
  34. Who did it? Someone with the terror gene!

    It has nothing to do with environment or indoctrination. Blowing themselves up is in their DNA.

    Geez, HBD disappears from this forum just when you need it most.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    Given how they constantly blow themselves up, I would discard a propensity for extremism and violence to be present in Arabic peoples, exacerbated by Islam, of course.

    One might even argue that just as Christianity "eugenized" Europe into a more conscientious society, Islam increased its societies violence and sectarianism.

    In any case, it is irrelevant. Muslim immigration to Europe needs to stop today.
    , @AnAnon
    Actually, if you want to think about it that way, altruistic sacrifice has been selected for in that area of the world. Hence you get honor killings(killing to protect the market value of the rest of your clan), suicide bombings, and so on.

    likewise consanguineous marriage and polygamy produce a society with a lot of young males and nothing but violence to turn to. Either you export that problem or it blows up on you.

    HBDchick has a pieces on these topics if you want to look them up.
    , @CK
    Suicide is rarely a survival technique. Young suicides do not leave a DNA trace to echo down the corridors of time.
  35. SteSai said:

    As Mao said, “The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.”

    That quote flashed through my mind as reports started to come in suggesting that the attackers had a degree of co-ordination and local knowledge which implied somewhat deep roots in the region. Certainly more than the standard “lone wolf” excuse suggests.

    This attack confirms the validity of the Sailer critique of the Neo-Con/Neo-Lib “invade-the-world/invite-the-world” doctrine, which unpicks the unforced errors behind the War on Terror.

    Invade the World: The attack was provoked by the French governments gratuitous military intervention against ISIS forces in the Middle East.

    Invite the World: The attackers were home-grown terrorists and refugees drawn into France by EU elites guest-labour immigrating and diversity-celebrating incubation policies.

    To promote civil peace the EU should pursue a policy of isolation and immunisation towards the Middle East: no more military adventures outwards and no more migrant movement inwards.

    Just disconnect. Because, truth be told, the history of the past 1400 years suggests that Christian European and Muslim Arabian peoples are “just not that into” each other.

  36. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    I always use xenophile. It sounds nasty enough. “unnatural love of foreigners, implying a lack thereof towards one’s kin”.

  37. @Steve Sailer
    Europhobia

    Or leukophobia. “Leukos” is the word for white.

    “Ego” wouldn’t be good because it means specifically “I”, rather than self in a general sense. Also, “ego” is an already used term with certain psychological connotations.

  38. @Steve Sailer
    Europhobia

    Eurothanatomania

    Leukothanatophilia

    Hesperothanasia

    • Replies: @gruff
    Hesperophobe! = "afraid of the West"

    I like it!
    , @Dirk Dagger
    Acute Autologous Leukothanatophilia (AAL) is a hereditary disease exclusive to the caucasoid population.
  39. There’s already a word for this hatred of one’s own kind, coined (I think) by John Derbyshire: ethnomasochism.

    • Agree: Harold, Chrisnonymous
  40. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    When Soviets piled into Germany near the end of WWII, would it made much sense for Germans to blame Russians for the invasion?

    No, the German government under Hitler invaded and messed things up in the East.
    It was a huge blowback.

    Well, can the recent disaster be understood apart from what the West has been doing to the Middle East and North Africa? West even toppled Gaddafi who decided to be a good boy.

    And really, who controls immigration and migrant policy in the West?
    Who controls the media that keep pushing for more?
    Who is putting Marine Le Pen on trial?
    Who messed up Ukraine and needlessly antagonized Russia?
    Who hysterically defamed Russia as New Nazi Germany because Russia… doesn’t allow ‘gay prides’?

    So, it’s a lot of bull for the West to cry ‘poor hapless victim’ of all those Jihadis.
    Yes, the Muslim nuts are very nutty, but they wouldn’t be messing up the Middle East or Europe if not for Western foreign policy and crazy immigration policy(pushed by globalist Zionists like Soros who says he is against national borders and for ‘humanitarianism’ that would have all nations except Israel lose their sovereignty).

    It’s like Soviets were vile sons of bitches, but the ONLY reason they were in Germany was cuz Germany invaded and messed up Russia first.

    So, before anyone badmouths the ‘muzzies’, they need to look in the mirror.

    West is in this mess cuz it allowed itself to fall under the control of globalists whose mouthpiece is the slimy NYT.

  41. @gruff

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?
     
    Good question. Just working with Google translate I came up with:

    οικείος - intimate, familiar
    φυλή - race, tribe, clan
    έθνος - nation, race

    Anglicised, that would give us

    ecophobe
    phylophobe
    ethnophobe

    Not sure how satisfactory these are. Any scholars of Greek able to help?


    Merkel deliberately doesn't understand: it's not an attack on "liberties". It's an attack on Europeans, period.

    As to how the plot went undetected: jihadis are obviously using nonelectronic communications whenever possible. All intelligent subversives do or should do the same. Anything digital is as good as public.

    leukophobia – fear of white

    • Replies: @Glossy
    Either that or leukomisia, hatred of white.
  42. It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen, the leader of the National Front party,…”

    Because reality or facts-on-the-ground should never influence someone’s opinion on a subject. Opinions and beliefs should be based solely on the principle of social status whoring.

  43. @Curle

    “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?
     
    Because it is easier to justify a military response as defending freedom than securing the safety of white people. Doesn't piss the lefties off quite as much.

    “Because it is easier to justify a military response as defending freedom than securing the safety of white people. Doesn’t piss the lefties off quite as much.”

    Except that our military interventions don’t secure secure our safety. They make us less safe.

  44. @jon

    Together with you, we will fight against those who have carried out such an unfathomable act against you.
     
    It's actually quite fathomable, in fact, I would venture to guess that just about everyone who reads this blog fathomed exactly this.

    And they met with murderers who hate this life of freedom.
     
    Yes, exactly as Bush said: "They hate our freedom!" Why does this get repeated so often?

    “Yes, exactly as Bush said: “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?”

    If true, western governments have a solution for this problem: to steadily make us less free so that muslims will have nothing to hate.

  45. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Istevefan @ #2 said:

    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is “one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin.” Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?

    Egophobe.

  46. @Reg Cæsar
    Who did it? Someone with the terror gene!

    It has nothing to do with environment or indoctrination. Blowing themselves up is in their DNA.

    Geez, HBD disappears from this forum just when you need it most.

    Given how they constantly blow themselves up, I would discard a propensity for extremism and violence to be present in Arabic peoples, exacerbated by Islam, of course.

    One might even argue that just as Christianity “eugenized” Europe into a more conscientious society, Islam increased its societies violence and sectarianism.

    In any case, it is irrelevant. Muslim immigration to Europe needs to stop today.

  47. @Bill Jones
    The West's wars endanger the saftey of white people.

    Very true. When will a truly isolationist, noninterventionist political movement arise?

    Probably never, because there’s a lot of money to be made.

  48. @Reg Cæsar
    Eurothanatomania

    Leukothanatophilia

    Hesperothanasia

    Hesperophobe! = “afraid of the West”

    I like it!

  49. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    “Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?”

    The word you’re looking for is: Liberal

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    “Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?”

    The word you’re looking for is: Liberal
     
    That's good.

    I'm going to throw out "hijacked White body".
  50. “It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen………”

    Heaven forfend that the French might get the idea that foreigners who want to indiscriminately slaughter french people ought to be feared.

    The real tragedy in all this would be if european people were to lose thier faith in their corrupt and hostile elites.

  51. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Why do so many make this basic error.

    They do not hate their own kind – they do not recognize those they hate as kindred. It is why they’ve gone to such lengths to dehumanize us first. Guilty people are not smug.

    It’s not themselves they hate. It is you and I.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s not themselves they hate. It is you and I.

     

    James Fulford at Vdare.com has been making this point for years. He ends so many Fulford Files and blog posts with "They don't hate themselves. They hate you."

    But SWPLs are still W, as are most of us here objects of their hate. So we still need a term that means "hatred of one's own kind".

    Luckily, Greek has one at the ready:

    homophobia
    , @Anonym
    They do not hate their own kind – they do not recognize those they hate as kindred. It is why they’ve gone to such lengths to dehumanize us first. Guilty people are not smug.

    It’s not themselves they hate. It is you and I.

    If that is the case, why do some liberals refrain from having children, or minimize the number of them, so as to reduce their load on the environment etc.? It is because they see themselves as a part of the white, first world, civilization. And if they really see themselves as something separate from those they hate, why do many of them not refrain from miscegenating? Why does a Heidi Klum write herself out of the German gene pool if she thinks her own genetics truly worth preserving largely as they are? Instead she holds her actions as a badge of her own xenophilia.

    Certainly, multicultists do hate you and I, but also there is certainly a lot of self-hatred there. And that's why the "self-hating" epithet is so effective, because deep down they know what they do and there is a little guilt, a little self-loathing which they try so very hard to squash... but try as they might, it is still there.

  52. @German_reader
    They're saying there were three teams, but I can't reconcile this with the accounts of how many terrororists were killed and where (the suicide bombers at the stadium and the killers at the concert hall)...does this mean the team who shot people on the streets and in cafes is still at large???
    Oh, btw politicians in Germany have already expressed their concern that the attacks might be exploited by right-wing "propaganda"...just sickening.

    There were probably more terrorists than those who blew themselves up, I think the authorities are just saying that to placate the people.

    Still to pull it off required 2-3x as many people working in the background, it would all be compartmentalized so as to minimize info leaks. In short there is a existing infrastructure in place to plan and pull off these attacks. This was not the work of bozos like the Tsarnev brothers.

    Chances are there are more attacks in the pipeline between now and Christmas.

    • Replies: @Ed
    They're saying they used Sony P4 to communicate. Evidently as of now such communications are secure.
    , @German_reader
    I think you're right, this must have been a much larger operation than just the seven dead terrorists. Apparently it's now clear that in fact the third team that shot pedestrians and cafe-goers got away on Friday and is still at large. Very disturbing.
    , @Jack_Q
    ...Still to pull it off required 2-3x as many people working in the background...

    viz The Battle of Algiers
  53. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?

    I just use “self-hating white person”. Basically the analog of self-hating Jew. Liberals hate it, because the truth hurts.

  54. @Steve Sailer
    Europhobia

    Europhobia

    C’mon Steve! (mmm, Def Leppard)

    They adore everything Euro.

    Jingophobia.

  55. @Mark Eugenikos
    How about "egophobia"? "Autophobia" is correct, since "auto" in Greek is "self", but it sounds like a fear of cars. Other choices (phylo, ethno), while correct, aren't as direct and impactful as "ego".

    Warning: my chosen screen name notwithstanding, I am not an expert on Greek language.

    How about “egophobia”?

    Yes, if only SJWs had some more self-esteem.

    Where does this mental block comes from?

  56. Who did it?
    Easy prediction: a majority of the attackers were “Frenchmen.” As a Muslim terrorist organization du jour, ISIS connection is very likely.

  57. @jon
    So this might be the dumbest response yet:

    To people blaming refugees for attacks in Paris tonight. Do you not realise these are the people the refugees are trying to run away from..?
     
    https://twitter.com/RFCdan/status/665302723592519680

    It's hard to even give a fair reading to the tortured logic that would create such a tweet. We let people the refugees are running from into our country, so the obvious answer is more immigration.

    My idiot friend posted that on his twitter feed. He’s studying journalism, so I’m really hoping that his twitter posts are a smoke screen.

  58. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Well, since these people use ‘populist’ as a slur we could call them demophobes.

    From the New Oxford American Dictionary

    Populist : a member or adherent of a political party seeking to represent the interests of ordinary people.

    Demos : the populace as a political unit.

  59. @Chase
    Oikaphobia.

    That's per James Taranto.

    Taranto borrowed it from Roger Scruton:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikophobia

  60. But it remained unclear how a plot of such sophistication and lethality could have escaped the notice of intelligence agencies, both in France and abroad.

    Really? Could having over 700 no go zones in France where the authorities cannot go have something to do with it. These are literally black holes in terms of intelligence, Europe has no idea how big the Islamist network is or the resources at it’s disposal or how many attacks they have attacks they have spooled up and ready to go.

    If I were in France or Germany, I’d be sweating like a pig in a oven right about now. Because the authorities are two steps behind the Muzzies, especially since Merkel rolled out the welcome mat for Muslim soldiers, as it just swamped their intelligence network to the point they can no longer monitor the bad guys.

    Bad days are coming to Europe.

  61. @CK
    The less of something you allow; the more you brag about your allowance.

    “Yes, exactly as Bush said: “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?”

    “The less of something you allow; the more you brag about your allowance.”

    This might be correct.

  62. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    cucks.

  63. @Anonymous
    Go long Amazon and Netflix.

    Go long Amazon and Netflix.

    Did anyone else notice that Amazon made a change to their homepage today? I don’t ever recall seeing a political statement on Amazon before:

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/amazon-has-a-very-simple-but-poignant-message-on-its-homepage-705686.html

    • Replies: @Anonym
    I wonder how many books (other than the Koran) Amazon sells into Syria, into Detroit or into the Banlieues? Not every massive corporation benefits from the exponential growth of non-whites at the expense of white people. Surely they can do the math too. Politically incorrect analysis could prove very profitable for them.

    There must be other businesses that are highly dependent on white people, their disposable income or fecundity. They have a vested interest in ending the status quo. They are members of a potential lobbying group waiting to be formed.

  64. What I’m more interested in is how much longer Merkel will remain as chancellor. Will the fallout from these attacks, if it turns out that some were refugees, result in her ouster? Given her already weakened position of late it’s easy to see that happening.

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    There is speculation that merkel has a golden parachute waiting for her- much like clinton (and blair)'s wealth went up by 100 fold withing a year of leaving office.
    , @ben tillman

    What I’m more interested in is how much longer Merkel will remain as chancellor. Will the fallout from these attacks, if it turns out that some were refugees....
     
    You mean "refugees", not refugees.
  65. @Steve Sailer
    Europhobia

    As others have already mentioned, I think oikophobia, as coined by British philosopher Roger Scruton is the way to go. According to Scruton it means: “the repudiation of inheritance and home.”He argued that it is “a stage through which the adolescent mind normally passes”, but that it is a feature of some, typically leftist, political impulses and ideologies which espouse xenophilia (preference for alien cultures).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikophobia

    • Replies: @Thomas Fuller
    Scruton should have known better. An "oik", in British slang, is an inferior person, usually of a lower class than the speaker represents himself as belonging to, badly mannered or at least ignorant of the expected mores, etc. The word has various applications. For example, in the RAF it is sometimes used (in private) by officers referring to the enlisted men; sometimes by an enlisted man referring to himself, whether in irony or sarcasm. Generally, "oik" would appear in a thesaurus adjacent to "peasant", "yob" or "chav".

    Hence if one self-defines as oikophobic, one will in Britain be regarded as a snob. Mind you, everyone in Britain is a snob of one sort or another, me included.

    More here:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oik

    As already noted, the term "Liberal", in its present and deeply erroneous meaning (especially in the U.S.) is probably the one to use to describe someone whose self-loathing has blossomed into a general loathing of his own culture and people. I would suggest that it should always be used in scare quotes. That might give a few uncommitted readers food for thought. It might with advantage also be developed as a term of abuse, and when spoken uttered with a suitable sneer.
  66. @gruff
    leukophobia - fear of white

    Either that or leukomisia, hatred of white.

  67. Shouldn’t we provide xenophobes with safe spaces into which foreigners aren’t imported? I mean, you wouldn’t empty a box of spiders into an arachnophobe’s house would you? That would be cruel.

  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @gruff

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?
     
    Good question. Just working with Google translate I came up with:

    οικείος - intimate, familiar
    φυλή - race, tribe, clan
    έθνος - nation, race

    Anglicised, that would give us

    ecophobe
    phylophobe
    ethnophobe

    Not sure how satisfactory these are. Any scholars of Greek able to help?


    Merkel deliberately doesn't understand: it's not an attack on "liberties". It's an attack on Europeans, period.

    As to how the plot went undetected: jihadis are obviously using nonelectronic communications whenever possible. All intelligent subversives do or should do the same. Anything digital is as good as public.

    Anglicised, that would give us

    ecophobe
    phylophobe
    ethnophobe

    Not sure how satisfactory these are. Any scholars of Greek able to help?

    Here’s the thing, didn’t we all learn in school that “xenophobia” is BAD, and so most of us now have a conditioned negative response to anything described as xenophobic? With regard to the words above, many of us are most likely not familiar with them, nor have we been conditioned to have a negative association with them.

  69. @Steve Sailer
    That one is simple it enough that it might catch on, although, keep in mind, my batting average at getting words and phrases to catch on is .000

    Um, what about microaggressions and “invade the world, invite the world”, etc.?

  70. @San Joaquin Sam

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?
     
    Oikophobia

    Oikophobia

    It makes me laugh instead of feel revulsion, as xenophobia does.

  71. Below is a fairly easy to understand argument, one I’ve not heard before, in favor a moratorium on further mass Muslim immigration into the United States:

    Stereotypes are useful when the sample size is large.

    Thus while it is true that the overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants and their children do not fit the stereotype of being potentially violent jihadis or jihadi sympathizers hostile to the West, a not insignificant minority do, around 10% according to Pew (http://goo.gl/zVvDzy). Like all stereotypes — or, at least, all stereotypes that become widely shared — this one too contains a kernel of truth (https://goo.gl/ogJOnw).

    It follows that if we go forward and allow ten thousand Syrian refugees into the country as the Obama administration has already started to do (http://goo.gl/P67urG), we are likely to be letting up to a thousand future terrorists and terrorist sympathizers into our midst.

    Is this something any responsible politician would want us to do?”

    I hope Trump uses this argument in the weeks ahead.

    • Replies: @jon

    Thus while it is true that the overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants and their children do not fit the stereotype of being potentially violent jihadis or jihadi sympathizers hostile to the West, a not insignificant minority do, around 10% according to Pew (http://goo.gl/zVvDzy).
     
    Although that article was written with the intent to calm any fears, it should have the opposite effect on any thinking person. We already have around 2.6 million Muslims in the US. Even just 5 or 10% is a huge problem.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
    , @Olorin
    The "but most aren't violent" argument is true, but irrelevant.

    Even if they were all peaceful, there is absolutely no reason for them to be brought into our countries and geneflows, short of destroying/replacing both.

    We have enough of our own to provide for, the competition for the resource base to do so grows by the minute, and we haven't even begun to live out the potential of Northern Europe's/western civilization's genome.

    We aimed for the stars--the blacks (more accurately, their handlers) brought in mule wagons and convinced the sensitive to feel guilty about that. "You can't create/have cool things that others can't create! Give them yours!"

    Insane/resentful BPD mommy behavior.

  72. I wonder how many victims of this attack were Jewish? The Bataclan Theater is Jewish owned and has been attacked by Islamists in the past. Similarly, the rock band Eagles of Death Metal have often visited Israel and one of their members is a self-confessed neo-con.

    Although the band members escaped injury, this attack may be bad news for Jewish business interests in Paris. After this, whenever Parisians go out on the town they are going to start asking themselves if the place they are going to is Jewish owned. If it is, they may decide it’s safer not to go there.

  73. I always assume these sorts of things are false flags by the Mossad or CIA. Trying to figure out that angle here.

  74. @Percy Gryce

    Go long Amazon and Netflix.
     
    Did anyone else notice that Amazon made a change to their homepage today? I don't ever recall seeing a political statement on Amazon before:

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/amazon-has-a-very-simple-but-poignant-message-on-its-homepage-705686.html

    I wonder how many books (other than the Koran) Amazon sells into Syria, into Detroit or into the Banlieues? Not every massive corporation benefits from the exponential growth of non-whites at the expense of white people. Surely they can do the math too. Politically incorrect analysis could prove very profitable for them.

    There must be other businesses that are highly dependent on white people, their disposable income or fecundity. They have a vested interest in ending the status quo. They are members of a potential lobbying group waiting to be formed.

  75. @Wilkey
    What I'm more interested in is how much longer Merkel will remain as chancellor. Will the fallout from these attacks, if it turns out that some were refugees, result in her ouster? Given her already weakened position of late it's easy to see that happening.

    There is speculation that merkel has a golden parachute waiting for her- much like clinton (and blair)’s wealth went up by 100 fold withing a year of leaving office.

  76. Another assailant, who died at the concert hall, was 29 and a native of Courcouronnes, about 20 miles south of Paris. He had a criminal record and was known to be involved in extremist Islamic ideology, Mr. Molins said.

    Say – here’s an idea! Round up the outlander vermin who are “known to be involved in extremist Islamic ideology”, and either kill them, deport them or – to quote Mr Derbyshire – “intern (them) indefinitely in camps being constructed in the Norwegian Arctic.” And don’t be stingy with that Death option, either, as such a policy would have spared hundreds of your countrymen from dying like dogs yesterday. See, because they don’t hate us for our freedom so much as they love love love us for our soft, weak, liberal spinelessness and gullibility.

  77. @Reg Cæsar
    Eurothanatomania

    Leukothanatophilia

    Hesperothanasia

    Acute Autologous Leukothanatophilia (AAL) is a hereditary disease exclusive to the caucasoid population.

  78. Salon got to the bottom of it quickly:

    http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/and_so_the_hate_speech_begins_let_paris_be_the_end_of_the_rights_violent_language_toward_activists/

    Turns out it was white American conservatives having opinions because reasons.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Salon got to the bottom of it quickly:

    http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/and_so_the_hate_speech_begins_let_paris_be_the_end_of_the_rights_violent_language_toward_activists/

    Turns out it was white American conservatives having opinions because reasons."

    Slate also said Bill Maher is engaging in Islamophobia when he commented that it wasn't the Amish who committed the Paris terrorist attacks.

    So to keep up with the score here, not only are White American conservatives being blamed for Mizzou, but White American conservatives are also being blamed for the Paris terrorist attacks as well.

    There was someone in The Black Voices section of The Huffington Post who believes that White college students develop hatred for Black college students because they watch Fox News and listen to racist Right Wing radio guys like Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, and Michael Savage who always preach hatred against the nation's first Black president and affirmative action.

  79. Over at U of Missouri, the black cry babies are protesting that an attack on mostly whites in Paris is diverting press away from their protests. Some even referred to terroristic acts that they have endured at Mizzou. They have lost an semblance of sanity. As one poster here commented they haven’t jumped the shark, they have jumped the blue whale.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Over at U of Missouri, the black cry babies are protesting that an attack on mostly whites in Paris is diverting press away from their protests. Some even referred to terroristic acts that they have endured at Mizzou. They have lost an semblance of sanity. As one poster here commented they haven’t jumped the shark, they have jumped the blue whale."

    129 people were murdered in Paris while a big fat ZERO people were murdered in Mizzou. But according to Blacks, poop swastika in a restroom is a trillion times worst than 129 dead mostly White bodies.

    These racist Blacks would be singing a different tune if the Islamic terrorists murdered 129 Blacks in Nigeria or The Sudan for example, instead of the 129 mostly White people in Paris.
  80. • Replies: @anon
    spot on

    their map tallies well with the state percentages

    http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/11/13/the-bitter-crushing-poverty-of-appalachia-is-a-preview-of-what-is-coming-to-the-rest-of-the-country/

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-white-death-by-state/

  81. @Jim Don Bob
    As Herbert Stein once said, "What can't go on forever, won't."

    Just wait until these jihadis shoot up a couple of shopping malls on Black Friday. Easy to do, and ISIS (or whoever) doesn't need suicide guys to do it. I am surprised they have not done it already.

    A lot of people are gonna die before this is over, and I may be one of them. ...

    Given the quality of the average Black Friday shopper, that may not be the worst thing in the world.

  82. A black haired Mediterranean looking French guy who was interviewed by Fox News claims that one of the Islamic mass shooters in Paris had lighter hair than him, saying that he was blond. So at least one of the Muslim mass shooters was not Arab, but European. I have never seen an adult over the age of 18 Arab male with the same hair color as Owen Wilson, or Jeff Daniels, or Paul Walker, or Brock Lesnar. So that terrorist had to be a European who converted to Islam.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    Janissary.
    , @oh its just me
    Bosian serb, Albanian, - middle eastern blond- they have them - heck there are pagan tribes in afganhistan with members with green eyes and light brown hair.
    also remember that the white european slave trade (as in the slaves were european) meant quite a bit of our gene pool was literally captured and moved to north africa and the middle east.
    , @Anonymous
    He could have been wearing a blond wig to look more European.
    , @Jimi
    In the northernmost regions of the Levant you will find brown-haired blue eyed Arabs. They tend to be disproportionately Christian and claim they are descendants of the Crusaders. But you will also find a few Muslims among them. You may have seen them and assumed they were not Arabic.
    , @Stan
    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    You need to get out more. I have met Lebanese and Syrians with blond hair.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Berber? Remember the hoo-ha when the yellow press decided that some poor blonde toddler was Madeleine McCann and tried to abduct her from her I think it was Moroccan parents. The arrests in Brussels today were in a heavily Moroccan slum from which a suspiciously large number of previous attackers have come, going back to the '8Os, including the Charlie killers.
    , @Anonymous
    Chechens are frequently blond.
    , @Mark Eugenikos
    As others have said, you should get out more (no offense). Your Arab cab drivers aren't likely to be from the top layer of society in their home countries, so they are less likely to be light haired/skinned. I have met Arabs (mostly Syrians and Iraqis) with light hair and eyes.

    When I was a student at a large Midwestern university, there was a Syrian prof with ruddy complexion, strawberry blond hair and green eyes. He could have passed for a German or a Pole. Bass player for Acrassicauda (Iraqi heavy metal band) has blue eyes and dishwater blond hair, and can pass for James Hetfield's (Metallica) cousin. Bashar Al-Assad has blue eyes, and his wife Asma looks more French than Nicolas Sarkozy's wife. Queen Rania of Jordan would look at home anywhere from Spain to Greece.

    Of course there are many dark Arabs, but among the Levantines especially you're going to find a surprisingly large number of surprisingly pale people.
    , @NickG
    Plenty of Syrians and Lebanese are blond or have complexions that would easily pass for native Northern European.
    , @Sleep
    Lots of Arabs and other Muslims around here seem to marry blonde women. So at least some of their children will have blonde hair, and will almost certainly be raised Muslims. And yes, there are also naturally light-haired Muslims ... not so many around here, but I've heard that in France there is a large community of "Caucasians" (i.e. from the mountains) and that surely includes Muslim tribes such as Chechens. Bosnia is another example of a nation of people that look like typical Europeans but are predominantly Muslims.
  83. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?

    Occi-phobe?

  84. @duderino
    What would have to happen, hypothetically, for Obama to cancel taking in Syrian refugees? Does such a threshold exist?

    A supermajority of Americans rising up

  85. What about these terms?
    se suicider
    uccidersi
    to commit suicide

  86. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Great tweets by Trump. He just keeps hitting the libs right in the mouth.

    I surf with images turned off so I only recently got a view of Trump’s Twitter photo avatar. That pic says it all. Check it out. It is the old-fashioned traditional male expression for a photograph. Same as Patton or even the statuary of ancient Rome. No smiling.

    Love Trump’s refusal to cater to women. The subtext to his campaign is “you, ladies, are a big part of the reason we are in so much trouble today”…

  87. @jon
    How do you get the gold box around your post? Is it bestowed from on high?

    A lot of people are gonna die before this is over, and I may be one of them. …
     
    Unfortunately, I think you are right - we are long past any possible outcomes that don't involve a lot of violence.

    Don’t know how I got the gold box, but I am honored. Maybe it is related to the $10000 I sent Steve in Bitcoins.

    Not.

    This got cut from my previous post: http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

  88. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Le Pen was not xenophobic, she was prophetic….

  89. @Jefferson
    A black haired Mediterranean looking French guy who was interviewed by Fox News claims that one of the Islamic mass shooters in Paris had lighter hair than him, saying that he was blond. So at least one of the Muslim mass shooters was not Arab, but European. I have never seen an adult over the age of 18 Arab male with the same hair color as Owen Wilson, or Jeff Daniels, or Paul Walker, or Brock Lesnar. So that terrorist had to be a European who converted to Islam.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    Janissary.

  90. @Perspective
    Salon has already, predictably, published an article saying the blame lies with "us".

    Salon has already, predictably, published an article saying the blame lies with “us”.

    And a broken clock is right once a day. For once Salon gets it right. The blame most assuredly does lie with them. The Arabs and Africans will do as they always do. Expecting otherwise is idiocy, akin to keeping a tiger as a house pet. When the Arab or African explodes in violence killing unprepared civilians it is no different from when the tiger kills and eats your children. The blame is on the fool who allowed the beast into their home

    • Agree: Jonathan Silber
    • Replies: @Jonathan Silber
    When the Arab or African explodes in violence killing unprepared civilians it is no different from when the tiger kills and eats your children. The blame is on the fool who allowed the beast into their home.

    Gold-Box-worthy comment.

    "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars/But in ourselves, that we are underlings.”
  91. @Jefferson
    A black haired Mediterranean looking French guy who was interviewed by Fox News claims that one of the Islamic mass shooters in Paris had lighter hair than him, saying that he was blond. So at least one of the Muslim mass shooters was not Arab, but European. I have never seen an adult over the age of 18 Arab male with the same hair color as Owen Wilson, or Jeff Daniels, or Paul Walker, or Brock Lesnar. So that terrorist had to be a European who converted to Islam.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    Bosian serb, Albanian, – middle eastern blond- they have them – heck there are pagan tribes in afganhistan with members with green eyes and light brown hair.
    also remember that the white european slave trade (as in the slaves were european) meant quite a bit of our gene pool was literally captured and moved to north africa and the middle east.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    heck there are pagan tribes in afganhistan with members with green eyes and light brown hair.
     
    Remember Sharbat Gula?
    , @Jefferson
    "Bosian serb, Albanian, – middle eastern blond"

    Bosnia, Albania, and Serbia are in Europe not The Middle East. Blond hair in Arab men is so rare that even Jewish men have a higher percentage of blond hair than Arab men. Jewish male actors like Gene Wilder, Ben Foster, Tab Hunter, and Michael Rapaport for example have blond hair. Name one Arab male actor who has blond hair?

    You know Arabs does not belong to the Master Race when even the Jews beat them in the blondism department. Heck even some Latin American groups beat Arabs in the blondism department. You are more likely to see a blond haired in man Rio Grande Do Sul or Uruguay than you are in an Arab country.

  92. @Jefferson
    A black haired Mediterranean looking French guy who was interviewed by Fox News claims that one of the Islamic mass shooters in Paris had lighter hair than him, saying that he was blond. So at least one of the Muslim mass shooters was not Arab, but European. I have never seen an adult over the age of 18 Arab male with the same hair color as Owen Wilson, or Jeff Daniels, or Paul Walker, or Brock Lesnar. So that terrorist had to be a European who converted to Islam.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    He could have been wearing a blond wig to look more European.

  93. @jon

    Together with you, we will fight against those who have carried out such an unfathomable act against you.
     
    It's actually quite fathomable, in fact, I would venture to guess that just about everyone who reads this blog fathomed exactly this.

    And they met with murderers who hate this life of freedom.
     
    Yes, exactly as Bush said: "They hate our freedom!" Why does this get repeated so often?

    “Yes, exactly as Bush said: “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?” – it worked for bush, so why not them? challenging the real reason for the hatred(we hate you as a people because you exist) raises uncomfortable questions for the left.

    • Replies: @the cruncher
    'uncomfortable questions' is why we can't make any motion back or away from radical equality, uplifting NAMs, welcoming everyone and so on. Alternative paths are terra incognitas, voids, and would just destroy the identity we've built up, leaving us where? There needs to be some strong idea available to replace what we'd lose. Like 'protect the country', 'the best country for the best people', 'different countries for different peoples' (hat tip to Steve), something like that. We may see an increase in interest in fashy ideas.
  94. The possibility that one of the attackers was a migrant or had posed as one is sure to further complicate the already vexing problem for Europe of how to handle the unceasing flow of people from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

    Typical New York Times multi-cultural nonsense. “Further complicate”? No, it simplifies the situation immensely. The “vexing” problem can be solved without further ado. The borders must be closed to all “migrants” who have not been thoroughly vetted.

    Any other response (or should we say, non-response?) is attempted murder by government officials of innocent citizens.

  95. Anti-Japhetism, of course.

    • Replies: @gruff
    Well done.
  96. @gruff

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?
     
    Good question. Just working with Google translate I came up with:

    οικείος - intimate, familiar
    φυλή - race, tribe, clan
    έθνος - nation, race

    Anglicised, that would give us

    ecophobe
    phylophobe
    ethnophobe

    Not sure how satisfactory these are. Any scholars of Greek able to help?


    Merkel deliberately doesn't understand: it's not an attack on "liberties". It's an attack on Europeans, period.

    As to how the plot went undetected: jihadis are obviously using nonelectronic communications whenever possible. All intelligent subversives do or should do the same. Anything digital is as good as public.

    The Greek word for “yourself” is σεαυτοῦ (seautú, seaftú in the Biblical/Modern pronunciation) (Ancient Greek has only genitive, dative and accusative forms; Modern Greek has a nominative). This is the combination of σύ (sý, you) and αυτοῦ (autú), meaning “self, same, very thing,” etc. That is why “auto” is used as a prefix for “self” in many words – “automobile” = “self moving,” “autonomy” = self-governance, etc.).

    In English we sometimes use “you” in a generic sense, whereas in Greek it is specifically “you.” They would use εαυτου more properly for “one’s own, one’s self, something/things belonging to one,” in a generic sense. So, “eautophobia” would mean “fear of one’s own, fear of one’s own self.” “Miseautonist” could be “one who loathes or despises his own self.” “Miseautoëconist,” or “miseautogenist,” or “miseautoethnist” could mean “hater of one’s own household/ancestry/nationality,” in that order.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    However none of those propositions sound as good as xenophobe. They are long and sound like medical description of illness (and in fact they may be).

    Meanwhile xenophobe is short, precise and has this sexy, modern, spacey-age "x". You can shout it as a curse at your adversaries during demonstrations.

    One way to cope with this is to take an example from gays and re-appropriate "xenophobe":)

    Wear it proudly, make it a badge of honor and common sense. Say to the shocked people: "I'am a xeno! And don't you dare judge me you bourgeoise miseautogenist!"
  97. @Jefferson
    A black haired Mediterranean looking French guy who was interviewed by Fox News claims that one of the Islamic mass shooters in Paris had lighter hair than him, saying that he was blond. So at least one of the Muslim mass shooters was not Arab, but European. I have never seen an adult over the age of 18 Arab male with the same hair color as Owen Wilson, or Jeff Daniels, or Paul Walker, or Brock Lesnar. So that terrorist had to be a European who converted to Islam.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    In the northernmost regions of the Levant you will find brown-haired blue eyed Arabs. They tend to be disproportionately Christian and claim they are descendants of the Crusaders. But you will also find a few Muslims among them. You may have seen them and assumed they were not Arabic.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "In the northernmost regions of the Levant you will find brown-haired blue eyed Arabs"

    I am not talking about brown hair, I am talking about blond hair like Gary Busey and Nick Nolte for example. I have never seen an adult Arab male who is blond enough to be put in one of Adolf Hitler's Nazi propaganda posters.
  98. Well, two responses are rather predictable: #1 – I love France, #2 – Kill them all.

    So let’s step back and look at this in terms of what we know about world history, revolutions and such.

    First thing we know is that the Arab-Muslim population (yes, I know Iranians are not Arabs) has undergone a fourfold increase in the past 50 years. It has, I believe, exceeded the carrying capacity of virtually every single Arab Muslim nation. There is not sufficient economic and/or trade infrastructure to give all of these tens of millions consistent growth and development. There is not sufficient cultural infrastructure to do that either; in fact, what we have here is a feudal social/cultural infrastructure on top of a sluggish welfare economy that is basically buoyed almost entirely by oil and/or other raw materials.

    So it’s a safe bet that that Arab Muslim world will be a basket case for decades, and there will probably be lots of wars, revolts, massacres, and so on for a long time.

    So it’s a certainty that there are going to be a lot of refugees, and it’s a certainty that there are going to be a lot of retaliatory attacks, such as this one.

    If we attack them in force sufficient to actually change things, we will end up having to kill a lot of people and furthermore getting a lot of our people killed. It’s clear that, since 9/11, the West doesn’t have the stomach for that. If we turn off the refugee spigot, we are inviting other retaliatory attacks.

    The question is: How hard can we be to stop the refugees from subverting our own culture, and how hard do we want to be to stabilize the frankly hopeless situation in the Arab Muslim world? I don’t have the answer to either question, and furthermore, it’s not merely a policy question, it’s a political question, because whichever way we decide to act, we need political leadership, in the US, in Europe, to galvanize the people. And there’s no evidence that anyone can do that either.

    One thing is certain: the implosion of the Muslim/Arab world is going to make it rough for all of us, the only question is how, and how committed are we to making the hard choices — including the hard sacrifices — to address it.

    Another thing that seems certain: the Euro absorption of millions of so far unassimilated Muslims Arabs was completely insane.

    • Replies: @Demon for Truth
    Oh, come on. You seem to have caught Liberal Academic Disease, whose main symptom is an unmanageable urge to find infinite questions and infinite possible answers to each, and chew them like a cow with its cud. Stand up to the Muslim psychopaths and really mean it. You'll be amazed at the way the questions answer themselves.
    , @Lagertha
    I know this sounds ridiculous, but I am betting on the ole' Sunni vs. Shiite rivalry to come into play and counteract/implode/confuse the current, perceived power of Sunni jihaddies. Shiites have been repressed for some time, but they are not interested in European land dominion; they oddly, want their rightful lands back from ISIS or AL Qaeda, whomever & whatever. Let's remember that Sunnis are the bad guys, the head cutters. The conflict continues to be about money, resources, and access to women/procreation).

    In a sick way, we must embrace the Shiites: Iran, Russian by default, and Asad, and all the weird minority non-Sunni's, all those groups which we can't pronounce the names of. Most powerful Sunnis still know that S.A/Qatar/UAE/etc, have oil, and, that destroying Europe is stupid. But, if they feel that Shiites have Europe's ear, then the internal battles will play out catastrophically for both factions. I will continue to remain xenophobic. And, China will continue to enjoy watching things implode...but they need a strong US & EU to not have their economy collapse...but who the heck really needs the ME since all they've got is oil? Oil may very well be "so over" in a few years. And, they've got nuthin' after that.

  99. • Replies: @oh its just me
    Yes, first the backlash stories, now MSM just needs an 'I'll ride with Aisha" type story of some brave liberal defending muslims against cisgender white male christian fanatics.
  100. Well, here’s a question that came to my mind…

    For the sake of argument, let’s assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they’ve been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those “moderate rebels” that don’t really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long—instead of giving them money and weapons—why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn’t this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    Al-Nusra did get TOW missiles, and regardless of the intent of sending them there, that simply should not have happened.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    This is not such a great theory. For one...

    This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.
     
    In order for this to be true, it's necessary for "the West and its allies to [actually have] actually [begun] fighting ISIS...". Any evidence of this?

    For another thing, this treats ISIS like a common geopolitical power instead of an ideologically-driven quasi-rational state. Do you really believe that ISIS harbored no ill will to Europe as long as they were essentially allowed to run rampant in the Middle East? Pshah!

    And for another, this totally ignores any other factors that may have changed recently, like... A MASSIVE INFLUX OF MIGRANTS FROM THE WAR ZONE. Hello? Bueller?
    , @Pat Hannagan
    Disagree.

    The purpose of these attacks on Western soil is to provoke enraged responses from the public.

    Just like 9/11 resulted in an attack on Iraq, this will resolve into an attack on the Assad government.

    The media do not do fine detail, only you and the likes of the blogs you support.

    France and the USA could announce a retaliatory bombing of Syria/Northern Iraq in response that will in actual fact be an assault on the Assad govt and her Russian ally.
    , @Sam Haysom
    Is this serious? First of France (the country who was attacked) hasn't been fighting ISIS for quite some time. It only stepped up its active support of NATO missions in September. That's two months. And surely your big brain has noticed the steady stream of immigrants over the past five months thousands of which are claimed, by ISIS, to be infiltrated terrorist. In fact two of the attackers have already been indentified as terrorist "refugee" infiltrators. Suddenly your "all of a sudden time" frame looks completely bogus and the timing of this attack makes a lot more sense. France has no barrier between it and the Middle East and its large Islamic population provides the perfect environment from which to stage terrorist attacks. Never mind this isn't even close to the first ISIS planned terrorist attack launched against your obfuscatory formulation of "the West."

    The questions come to mind. Is it an accident you have opposed ever single electorally successful intiative to stem the tide of illegal immigration? Offhand what does this post tell us about the correctness of those who claim Ron Unz eagerly supports the goals if not the means of La Raza. If Ron Unz truly cares about the American worker why does he publish Gustavo Arellano? Unz clearly cares deeply about Russian foreign policy and supports it slavishly. Why is that? Why believe everything Russia claims and nothing claimed by "the West." Surely that kind of trite skepticism mixed with childish credulity betokens a certain bias.
    , @Ezra
    It is acknowledged that US. "allies" like Turkey and Saudi have been arming Sunni militias fighting Assad. Intermittently, the Obama administration likes to take credit for this. For example, after the training program for "moderate" rebels was discovered to be a sham, they needed to claim some success so they suggested the CIA was behind this flow of weapons. The anti-Assad militias include some Al Qaeda affiliates who we still pretend we are not arming, funding or training.

    Given that the weekend's attacks were far closer to Al Qaeda's usual modus operandi than they are to ISIS', it does seem strange that nobody is asking if the Nusra Front had something to do with the Paris killings. Here, I think Ron Unz is extremely on point. Ever since we started teaming up with AQ in Syria, now they seem to be off the usual suspect list.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    For the sake of argument, let’s assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims...
     
    Mr. Unz,

    I understand the overall argument you are making, and it even has some merit, but still, with all due respect, I'm pretty sure it's basically a dead end. You're assuming something that everybody with a grain of sense knows to be false, I.e. that the MSM version of what is going on is true.

    Or, stepping back from this specific case, can you name one "Deep Event" of the last, oh, hundred years or so, in which the official MSM version of events was truthful?
    , @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin
    Perhaps both are right. Maybe the West is stuck in a fog of bureacracy.
    The War Nerd described western strategy in Syria as:

    “Hit Sunni targets east of the coastal hills, but ignore everything to the west; help the Kurds in the north, but grudgingly, as little as possible, for fear you’ll offend Turkey; and while you’re attacking Assad’s enemies, keep reassuring the Israelis that you’re just as anti-Assad as you are anti-Islamic State.”
     
    and

    The crazy US policy of ignoring Sunni militias in the west made for some fat, soft targets. No wonder the Russian air force jumped at the chance to intervene. They must’ve spent months drooling over drone and satellite photos from the west, between Homs and Aleppo—targets totally untouched by the USAF.
    Until the Russians jumped in, Sunni militias in the west only had to deal with the incompetents in Assad’s rump of an air force. Those guys aren’t good for anything but dropping barrel bombs on crowded tenement neighborhoods; any decently dug-in troops could laugh at their attacks.
    Then the Russians decided it was time to show, Gulf War style, that they had some fancy shock-and-awe munitions of their own. These belated colonial wars are, among other things, great sales videos for arms exporters like the US and Russia.
     
    Source http://archive.is/E1Sv0

    Also Ron you try and lure John Dolan to unz, he'd be a great addition
    , @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin
    Perhaps both are right. Maybe the West is stuck in a fog of bureacracy.
    The War Nerd described western strategy in Syria as:

    “Hit Sunni targets east of the coastal hills, but ignore everything to the west; help the Kurds in the north, but grudgingly, as little as possible, for fear you’ll offend Turkey; and while you’re attacking Assad’s enemies, keep reassuring the Israelis that you’re just as anti-Assad as you are anti-Islamic State.”
     
    and

    The crazy US policy of ignoring Sunni militias in the west made for some fat, soft targets. No wonder the Russian air force jumped at the chance to intervene. They must’ve spent months drooling over drone and satellite photos from the west, between Homs and Aleppo—targets totally untouched by the USAF.
    Until the Russians jumped in, Sunni militias in the west only had to deal with the incompetents in Assad’s rump of an air force. Those guys aren’t good for anything but dropping barrel bombs on crowded tenement neighborhoods; any decently dug-in troops could laugh at their attacks.
    Then the Russians decided it was time to show, Gulf War style, that they had some fancy shock-and-awe munitions of their own. These belated colonial wars are, among other things, great sales videos for arms exporters like the US and Russia.
     
    Source http://archive.is/E1Sv0

    Also Ron you try and lure John Dolan to unz, he'd be a great addition
    , @International Jew
    How long before Philip Giraldi blames Israel for this, Ron?
    , @Anonymous
    Ron,

    Spot on! As a retired military officer who spent a decade in the Middle East with an active role in Desert Storm, I'm very familiar with the desert wastes where Daesh thrives. I'm asking myself, Where does Daesh gets its money, food, water, munitions, weapons, vehicles, and communications gear for extended military operations (they have a world-class and very well-rounded logistical tail). Where do they get their impressive military, technical, and logistical expertise? Who provided Daesh with hundreds of Toyota Hilux pickup trucks essential for desert mobility? Who is providing the expertise and the logistics associated with advanced American oil extraction equipment that Daesh is using to pump and sell $50 million of oil a day from captured Syrian wells? More perplexing, where is Daesh selling the oil ... who is providing it with markets and laundering the proceeds?

    The countries surrounding Daesh's desert enclaves are Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, and Syria. The logistical "leaks" allowing Daesh to survive and thrive in these wastes have to be located in one or more of these countries with the full knowledge of the authorities (and Western intelligence agencies). The easiest and quickest way to destroy Daesh is to cut its logistical tail. That this hasn't already been done is the most perplexing question of them all.
    , @Jack D
    1. Never take what a Russian leader tells you at face value. Whether a statement serves their goals is far more important than whether it is true or not. If what a Russian tells you happens to be true, it's just a coincidence.

    2. Russia has NOT been fighting ISIS in Syria. They give lip service (see #1) to fighting ISIS but most of their raids have been against other factions. Their goal is to keep Assad in power - they could care less about ISIS per se.

    3. Until the raid on Pearl Harbor, the Japanese had not attacked the West, then they did. It wasn't because we were arming them up until that point.

    4. It's very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent - it's easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
    , @TheLatestInDecay
    My son's school just sent a memo entitled "Talking To Your Son About Paris" which contained the following advice: "Limit using the internet as an investigative tool about this incident – some written reports are less regulated than the newspapers and may include untrue/inappropriate information."
    , @rod1963
    Ron Unz

    ISIS has attacked the West previously, you just weren't paying attention. ISIS is part mind set brought by reading the Koran and inspires a man to take up Jihad. The Koran is what radicalizes Muslims. Because the Koran is what orders Muslims to attack and kill unbelievers, not ISIS.

    ISIS is just Islam in it's most observant form. This is never talked about on MSM for obvious reasons.

    Nor do you need to train with ISIS to be part of it, it's basically a franchise operate with low entry fees. Just go out and wage jihad and die in the process so as to become a martyr and you're golden.

    Take the Muzzie who knifed the students at the community college was a ISIS affiliate. The Muzzie who shot up the school was a Muslim terrorist(most information on him has never been released so it's safe to say he was a jihadi/ISIS affiliate like the knife attacker). Then there is the Chattanooga shooter - another Muslim(and again little information released on him or family background, safe to say then that he had connections to ISIS or AQ).

    The point is this is Islam we're dealing with. Jihad or war against unbelievers is part and parcel of it.

    France was attacked not because they or the Russians were attacking Muzzies in Syria, they were attacked because they were infidels. It's as simple as that.

    BTW Franch authorities were on high alert prior to the attack they knew full well there was going to be a attack, they just didn't know where exactly. They knew for months.
  101. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    How about Jellyby’s Disorder, after the Charles Dickens character Mrs. Jellyby who neglected her husband and children to do philanthropic work for an obscure African tribe.

  102. @Jefferson
    A black haired Mediterranean looking French guy who was interviewed by Fox News claims that one of the Islamic mass shooters in Paris had lighter hair than him, saying that he was blond. So at least one of the Muslim mass shooters was not Arab, but European. I have never seen an adult over the age of 18 Arab male with the same hair color as Owen Wilson, or Jeff Daniels, or Paul Walker, or Brock Lesnar. So that terrorist had to be a European who converted to Islam.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    You need to get out more. I have met Lebanese and Syrians with blond hair.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    You need to get out more. I have met Lebanese and Syrians with blond hair.
     
    I believe the Crusaders left lots of their genes behind. Seriously, I have met 4-5 Lebanese who looked French. With fair European skin though not blond. Lebanon used to be Christian dominant. IIRC it was 80% Christian in the early 20th century. Lebanon was a place to do business and trade. Some Christian Lebanese became wealthy as intermediaries, middleman negotiating trade deals between Europe and the Arab oil producers.
  103. @Reg Cæsar
    Who did it? Someone with the terror gene!

    It has nothing to do with environment or indoctrination. Blowing themselves up is in their DNA.

    Geez, HBD disappears from this forum just when you need it most.

    Actually, if you want to think about it that way, altruistic sacrifice has been selected for in that area of the world. Hence you get honor killings(killing to protect the market value of the rest of your clan), suicide bombings, and so on.

    likewise consanguineous marriage and polygamy produce a society with a lot of young males and nothing but violence to turn to. Either you export that problem or it blows up on you.

    HBDchick has a pieces on these topics if you want to look them up.

  104. @Buffalo Joe
    Over at U of Missouri, the black cry babies are protesting that an attack on mostly whites in Paris is diverting press away from their protests. Some even referred to terroristic acts that they have endured at Mizzou. They have lost an semblance of sanity. As one poster here commented they haven't jumped the shark, they have jumped the blue whale.

    “Over at U of Missouri, the black cry babies are protesting that an attack on mostly whites in Paris is diverting press away from their protests. Some even referred to terroristic acts that they have endured at Mizzou. They have lost an semblance of sanity. As one poster here commented they haven’t jumped the shark, they have jumped the blue whale.”

    129 people were murdered in Paris while a big fat ZERO people were murdered in Mizzou. But according to Blacks, poop swastika in a restroom is a trillion times worst than 129 dead mostly White bodies.

    These racist Blacks would be singing a different tune if the Islamic terrorists murdered 129 Blacks in Nigeria or The Sudan for example, instead of the 129 mostly White people in Paris.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    These racist Blacks would be singing a different tune if the Islamic terrorists murdered 129 Blacks in Nigeria or The Sudan for example, instead of the 129 mostly White people in Paris.

    They're more concerned about a single African American thug being shot by the police in this country than they would be about 50,000 Africans being slaughtered in Nigeria. I don't think they care about that at all. There's nothing in it for them.
    , @CK
    It is difficult to make productive American's feel bad about Independent African Blacks being killed by Independent African Moslems and vice versa. Where there is no available guilt trip to be laid their will be no visible concern. Regard the hugely ignored effort by Mrs. Obama to make White America go all weepy over the Boko Haram girl raids.
    Regard how often you hear Sharpton or Jackson or Louis Farrakhan demanding that we do something about Boko Haram.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jefferson, Boko Haram has frequently slaughtered 100s of black Africans at a time....usually any non-Muslim variety will do . The shouts of "Oh, the horror" usually come from white Christians here and in Europe. I don't remember, and I may be wrong, any strong protests of these acts by any group like BLM. I saw that an anagram for Boko Haram is barak homo, just sayin'
  105. @Luke Lea
    Below is a fairly easy to understand argument, one I've not heard before, in favor a moratorium on further mass Muslim immigration into the United States:

    Stereotypes are useful when the sample size is large.

    Thus while it is true that the overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants and their children do not fit the stereotype of being potentially violent jihadis or jihadi sympathizers hostile to the West, a not insignificant minority do, around 10% according to Pew (http://goo.gl/zVvDzy). Like all stereotypes -- or, at least, all stereotypes that become widely shared -- this one too contains a kernel of truth (https://goo.gl/ogJOnw).

    It follows that if we go forward and allow ten thousand Syrian refugees into the country as the Obama administration has already started to do (http://goo.gl/P67urG), we are likely to be letting up to a thousand future terrorists and terrorist sympathizers into our midst.

    Is this something any responsible politician would want us to do?"

    I hope Trump uses this argument in the weeks ahead.

    Thus while it is true that the overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants and their children do not fit the stereotype of being potentially violent jihadis or jihadi sympathizers hostile to the West, a not insignificant minority do, around 10% according to Pew (http://goo.gl/zVvDzy).

    Although that article was written with the intent to calm any fears, it should have the opposite effect on any thinking person. We already have around 2.6 million Muslims in the US. Even just 5 or 10% is a huge problem.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Although that article was written with the intent to calm any fears, it should have the opposite effect on any thinking person. We already have around 2.6 million Muslims in the US. Even just 5 or 10% is a huge problem."

    The Left Wing media already has an extreme hatred for Christianity despite there being no Christian version of ISIS. So can you imagine how much more Christian bashing there would be in the Left Wing media if a study came out revealing that 10 percent of the world's Christian population are either terrorists or are open to the idea of joining a terrorist organization. You would have Left Wing politicians in North America and Europe trying to pass laws to ban Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical, Mormon, Quaker, Baptist churches, etc because they say Christianity and all of it's different branches represent the epitome of hate just like Neo Nazism.
  106. @Desiderius

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.
     
    Why do so many make this basic error.

    They do not hate their own kind - they do not recognize those they hate as kindred. It is why they've gone to such lengths to dehumanize us first. Guilty people are not smug.

    It's not themselves they hate. It is you and I.

    It’s not themselves they hate. It is you and I.

    James Fulford at Vdare.com has been making this point for years. He ends so many Fulford Files and blog posts with “They don’t hate themselves. They hate you.”

    But SWPLs are still W, as are most of us here objects of their hate. So we still need a term that means “hatred of one’s own kind”.

    Luckily, Greek has one at the ready:

    homophobia

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Luckily, Greek has one at the ready:

    homophobia
     
    That, good man, is extraordinarily well-played.

    Oikophobia is accurate (it speaks to the arrested development problem) but awkward.

    Jingophobia hits it pretty well (patriaphobia may be better).

    Cosmomania/cosmophilia gets to the same thing from the other direction and hints at a source of the malady: mothers raising their children to be captains of global empire (NGO, military, or corporate) rather than those parochial rubes who care about a single country.
    , @Rob McX
    Homophobia is, as they say, taken. But it would be the most logical choice otherwise. Terms like egophobia don't sound right because they imply a hatred of oneself as an individual, and I don't see many people who hate their own race being short on ego. Hatred of whites by whites is often an expression of egocentricity.
  107. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    Ta-Nehisi Coates has tweeted nothing about the Paris attacks. Other things, such as his own career, are more important. He has the mentality of a 13-year old.

    • Replies: @anon
    Of course it's not important to Coates. Those people who were killed were white, meaning that they had the power to shatter his black body for no reason.

    When 9/11 happened, he didn't even care about the firefighters who died trying to save people. They were body-shatterers too, so why should he have any sympathy?

    Of course, people bought the book where he said that like hotcakes, so if he cared about his career, he probably SHOULD tweet more about how little he cares, since that's what his SWPL audience wants to hear.
    , @Olorin
    His smartest-kid-in-his-middle-school-class mentality is precisely why we haven't heard from him.

    He takes his discursive and narrative cues from his handlers, and they're still juggling the chainsaws, figuring out who's going to get to hold which one, and in what direction.

    He's waiting to be told what to think, and overwhelmed by something that requires more mature reasoning capacity. (Part of the reason for crowning him America's Foremost Public Intellectual was to make all Americans look stupid. It would be fun to see this as intentional and widespread--to claim Affirmative Action was a black op to make our enemies think we all be that dumb.)

    Anyway, I think it's a misapplication of reason to try to figure this all out in a way that will make everyone happy, and especially the tinfoilers who see "false flag attacks" in every pigeon whomping on a park statue. That's how strong is their desire for an all-powerful father figure.

    Jihad is projection of power, writ deep in the DNA of jihadists.

    It recognizes only pushback. For the prudent and intelligent, that generally involves "blowback," but that's what happens when you're surrounded by that DNA. You either protect your own or give up, and surrender frequently takes the form of too much altruistic blather.

  108. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    Al-Nusra did get TOW missiles, and regardless of the intent of sending them there, that simply should not have happened.

  109. “Who Did It?”

    Our Dear Rulers, the crony-stooges of the NAFAT-GATT-TPP-EU-Globalist-Capitalists, did it to us. Islam’s jihadis are but one of the many tools in our Dear Rulers’ Anarcho-Tyranny tool box, along with Black/LaRazatino/OtherMinority Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmailer-Extortionists, plus outsourcing of jobs and industries.

    In Paris Frenchmen were merely forced to submit to and suffer the latest lethal dose of our NAFTA-GATT-TPP-EU-Globalist Dear Rulers’ Anarcho-Tyranny, whose program is:

    Lather.

    Rinse.

    Repeat.

    There you have the Anarcho-Tyrants’ Cycle of Submission

    Lather: Jihad attack (or illegal or legal alien murderer – Kate Steinle; Virginia Tech; or your being forced to to submit to training your freshly Imported, freshly employed foreigner job replacements; or your college kid being forced to submit to campus race/Islam/”rape culture” Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmail liars).

    Rinse: “Tiny minority of extremists [Even Mr. Sailer uses the weasel word “Islamists”].” “Moslems in West now fear backlash.” “Islam is…Peace.” Stage usual “Je suis/we are all” vigils replete with platitudes about nonexistent imaginary “universal values.” Dear Rulers act, fund & ratchet-up larger more powerful police-surveillance-security state – must ferret out and crush “hate speech” and “Islamophobia” and “bring to justice” the “Far Right Extremists” who oppose “Diversity Is Out Strength,” and must hire more Moslem Huma Abedin Brotherhood operatives to “advise” SecState/CIA/FBI/NSA/DOD/Gendarmerie/ScotlandYard/&c., & must depose Moslem dictators, bomb Moslem lands, stimulate fresh wave of “refugees,” Import more Moslems, Import more foreign STEM workers & menial cheap scab labor; enact more “hate speech” codes and laws and classify “hate speech” as a felony against the “world’s universal values.” And, above all, “Keep shopping, or the ‘terrorists’ win.”

    Repeat: Jihad attack (illegal or legal alien murder of Americans, Imported foreigner job replacements; Ferguson/campus Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmail tantrum-cum-harangue).

    Lather. Rinse. Repeat. The Anarcho-Tyrants’ Cycle of Submission.

    The Anarcho-Tyranny Cycle of Submission is the operating mechanism of Invade The World/Import The World. It’s especially much more the operating mechanism of Import The World: our Dear Rulers never require Imminvaders to assimilate and instead force us to accommodate the Imminvaders and to yield our way of life to the Imminvaders’ customs, culture, faith and barbarism.

    Sure, “terrorist” attacks are rare – yet they’re far, very far from being as rare as hens’ teeth – and they’re committed by “a tiny minority of extremists,” yet so was France’s Reign of Terror committed by a “tiny minority of extremists”; so too were the Sultan & Young Turks a “tiny minority of extremists” who ran the Armenian Genocide; so too were the Bolsheviks a “tiny minority of extremists” who took over Russia and then murdered 100 million Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and countless other peoples; so too was the Nazi core leadership a “tiny minority of extremists” who took over Germany and went on to murder over ten million people; so too were Red China’s Communists a “tiny minority of extremists” who starved scores of millions of their own people to death; and so too were the Khmer Rouge who took over Cambodia a “tiny minority of extremists” who mass murdered nearly three million of their own people. Even in our own American Revolution just one-third of the colonists supported the Revolution, one-third were Tories loyal to the Crown, and one-third were neutral – and the percentage of colonists who fought in the Revolution amounted to a “tiny minority of extremists.” And on our campuses a “tiny minority of extremists” succeed at compelling college presidents to resign, to yield their posts to Grievance-Hoax-Shakedown-Blackmail facilitators.

    It is all very simple: Where there are no Moslems there is no jihad by hijra, by stealth-sharia-creep, by lawfare, or by violent attack. Where there is no Imported Cheap Third World Scab Labor, Americans get to keep their own well-paying jobs in their own country here in America. Where there are no Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmail hoaxers, your child gets a genuine, useful education, and white guys who passed the firefighter test get the firefighter jobs instead of unqualified “Disparate Impacters,” and trillions of your taxpayer dollars are not flushed down the toilet to mollify Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmailers allowed to extort from us our dollars to fund their placement in power positions which they use to extort further lucre from our purses and further appointments of their ilk to commissariats that grind us down to serfdom in Third World muck. Where there are no Imported foreigners of cultures, faiths and customs – not of “universal values” – who are antagonistic, hostile and too often violent towards us and our culture, faiths and customs, we the people of the West get on very well in our daily lives and in our own destinies – and we suffer least and are best able to help others in their own lands.

    Until we Westerners who remain standing for Western Civilization break our Dear Rulers’ of their Anarcho-Tyrannous Lather, Rinse, Repeat Cycle of Submission (which includes our Dear Rulers’ Invade & Bomb Them All & Create Masses of “Refugees” to Import), we will submit repeatedly, monotonously in distracted, diverted mute ignorance to being forced to suffer endless rounds of Lather, Rinse, Repeat of our Anarcho-Tyrants’ Cycle of Submission.

    It’s. That. Simple.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    France actually has a very protectionist economy and strong unions. And the primary opponents of French economic protectionism aren't US or EU globalists, but German industry.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    The news cycle has more stages

    a) terrorist atrocity
    b) defiant speeches by politicians and all and sundry. Lots of candles and vigils, brave #istandwithwhereverthelatestattackis hashtags
    c) time to reflect and remember that "this is not true Islam, religion of peace etc". "Muslims fear backlash" pieces in all media, police sent to guard mosques
    d) time passes, and Muslims have more babies. Nearly 10% of all children born in England and Wales in 2014 were born to Muslim parents.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10562574/Almost-a-tenth-of-babies-and-toddlers-in-England-and-Wales-are-Muslim-census-figures-show.html
    e) rinse and repeat.

    Though at some stage, when the Muslim population of voting age reaches 50%, things might change. After all, we already pay a jizya in the form of having our emails read and browsing logged, not to mention the actual tax to pay for the CCTV cameras and all those people to search us at the airport. Might be cheaper to live in peace paying a real jizya. I guess when such a scenario looms, many of those who got us there will have moved elsewhere.
  110. @Jimi
    In the northernmost regions of the Levant you will find brown-haired blue eyed Arabs. They tend to be disproportionately Christian and claim they are descendants of the Crusaders. But you will also find a few Muslims among them. You may have seen them and assumed they were not Arabic.

    “In the northernmost regions of the Levant you will find brown-haired blue eyed Arabs”

    I am not talking about brown hair, I am talking about blond hair like Gary Busey and Nick Nolte for example. I have never seen an adult Arab male who is blond enough to be put in one of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi propaganda posters.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jeff, I married a brunette who is now a blonde, a bottle blonde, as are two of my daughters , Nikki Minaj is frequently blonde, as are Madonna and Lady GaGa .
  111. At the culmination of the French-Algerian war in the early 1960’s, Europeans residing in Algeria were offered 2 options from the FLN(Algerian nationalist movement), the Suitcase or the Coffin.

    Will Europeans ever have the strength to offer the same ultimatum to the other?

  112. @Jim Don Bob
    As Herbert Stein once said, "What can't go on forever, won't."

    Just wait until these jihadis shoot up a couple of shopping malls on Black Friday. Easy to do, and ISIS (or whoever) doesn't need suicide guys to do it. I am surprised they have not done it already.

    A lot of people are gonna die before this is over, and I may be one of them. ...

    Maybe if they hit the Northeast or California, anywhere else and they will run into armed Americans. Personally, I would let them have New Jersey on north, nothing good has come from that part of the country in 220 years.

  113. @SPMoore8
    Well, two responses are rather predictable: #1 - I love France, #2 - Kill them all.

    So let's step back and look at this in terms of what we know about world history, revolutions and such.

    First thing we know is that the Arab-Muslim population (yes, I know Iranians are not Arabs) has undergone a fourfold increase in the past 50 years. It has, I believe, exceeded the carrying capacity of virtually every single Arab Muslim nation. There is not sufficient economic and/or trade infrastructure to give all of these tens of millions consistent growth and development. There is not sufficient cultural infrastructure to do that either; in fact, what we have here is a feudal social/cultural infrastructure on top of a sluggish welfare economy that is basically buoyed almost entirely by oil and/or other raw materials.

    So it's a safe bet that that Arab Muslim world will be a basket case for decades, and there will probably be lots of wars, revolts, massacres, and so on for a long time.

    So it's a certainty that there are going to be a lot of refugees, and it's a certainty that there are going to be a lot of retaliatory attacks, such as this one.

    If we attack them in force sufficient to actually change things, we will end up having to kill a lot of people and furthermore getting a lot of our people killed. It's clear that, since 9/11, the West doesn't have the stomach for that. If we turn off the refugee spigot, we are inviting other retaliatory attacks.

    The question is: How hard can we be to stop the refugees from subverting our own culture, and how hard do we want to be to stabilize the frankly hopeless situation in the Arab Muslim world? I don't have the answer to either question, and furthermore, it's not merely a policy question, it's a political question, because whichever way we decide to act, we need political leadership, in the US, in Europe, to galvanize the people. And there's no evidence that anyone can do that either.

    One thing is certain: the implosion of the Muslim/Arab world is going to make it rough for all of us, the only question is how, and how committed are we to making the hard choices -- including the hard sacrifices -- to address it.

    Another thing that seems certain: the Euro absorption of millions of so far unassimilated Muslims Arabs was completely insane.

    Oh, come on. You seem to have caught Liberal Academic Disease, whose main symptom is an unmanageable urge to find infinite questions and infinite possible answers to each, and chew them like a cow with its cud. Stand up to the Muslim psychopaths and really mean it. You’ll be amazed at the way the questions answer themselves.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yeah, OK. How do we kill roughly the right proportion of roughly the correct Muslim sect while not empowering one or more of the equally batshit neighborhood Muslim factions (who aren't even all Arab!) to proclaim suzerainty over the smoking wreckage? Check with Richie Lowry about the "nuke Mecca" thought experiment from 2001. Is it likely to be considered a success if we're just providing sustained target practice for Kurdish and Israeli forces -- because Allah knows, no U.S./E.U./NATO three-cups-of-tea social-worker solider could ever be justified in actually raising a hand against a downtrodden jihad boy, even when the latter's driving a Pentagon-provided MRAP right at you and screaming the finest Q'u'ranic poetry out the window, between vibrant bursts of green-on-blue gunfire.
    , @SPMoore8
    "Stand up to Muslim psychopaths and really mean it" is a very vague and basically meaningless policy prescription. Here are some options:

    #1 - Strongly control and limit Arab Muslim immigration into Europe. This can, and should be done. The problem is that in doing this we are inevitably going to have a number of picturesque deaths on the beaches of the Mediterranean. Are we, collectively, up for that? Apparently not.

    #2 - Bomb them. We've been doing that for 14 years.

    #3 - Selectively bomb them. We've been doing that for 14 years. BTW, this inevitably causes the deaths of innocents. How do people feel about that?

    #4 - Invade, Occupy, and manage the severe population reduction the region needs over the course of several decades. We don't have the will, and neither the money nor the manpower to do it; unless we raise taxes and reinstall the draft. So it isn't going to happen.

    #5 - Basically put a cordon sanitaire around the Arab Muslim world, and just let them kill each other off and solve their own problems. This is probably the most reasonable option, except that world opinion will never accept it: (a) massive loss of life reported in social media in gruesome detail, (b) destruction of antiquities in the Cradle of Civilization, (c) possible interruption of the oil flow.

    There's just going to be a lot of death, destruction, and chaos for a long time over there. What does the West do? What do we Americans do? We need specific policy proposals, and we need political will. So far we really haven't had any of either.
  114. @oh its just me
    Bosian serb, Albanian, - middle eastern blond- they have them - heck there are pagan tribes in afganhistan with members with green eyes and light brown hair.
    also remember that the white european slave trade (as in the slaves were european) meant quite a bit of our gene pool was literally captured and moved to north africa and the middle east.

    heck there are pagan tribes in afganhistan with members with green eyes and light brown hair.

    Remember Sharbat Gula?

  115. @oh its just me
    Bosian serb, Albanian, - middle eastern blond- they have them - heck there are pagan tribes in afganhistan with members with green eyes and light brown hair.
    also remember that the white european slave trade (as in the slaves were european) meant quite a bit of our gene pool was literally captured and moved to north africa and the middle east.

    “Bosian serb, Albanian, – middle eastern blond”

    Bosnia, Albania, and Serbia are in Europe not The Middle East. Blond hair in Arab men is so rare that even Jewish men have a higher percentage of blond hair than Arab men. Jewish male actors like Gene Wilder, Ben Foster, Tab Hunter, and Michael Rapaport for example have blond hair. Name one Arab male actor who has blond hair?

    You know Arabs does not belong to the Master Race when even the Jews beat them in the blondism department. Heck even some Latin American groups beat Arabs in the blondism department. You are more likely to see a blond haired in man Rio Grande Do Sul or Uruguay than you are in an Arab country.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    Blond hair in Arab men is so rare
     
    You seem to assume than an Arab male bent on terrorism is incapable of dying his hair a lighter color so as to be able to move around in a European environment without attracting any notice. Hair dye is available at every drug store.
    , @oh its just me
    arafat's wife
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suha_Arafat
    , @Daniel Williams

    You are more likely to see a blond haired man in ... Uruguay than you are in an Arab country.
     
    You could throw a stone with your eyes closed and hit a blond in Uruguay. It's 90% white.
  116. Who cares about a few dead crackers in Paris when the black dean of the school of journalism at the University of North Texas barely escaped with her life after being racially profiled by two rabid racist cops?

    http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/latest-columns/20151028-dorothy-bland-i-was-caught-walking-while-black.-police-chief-no-officers-were-doing-their-jobs..ece

  117. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Who did it?

    Why, the KKK, of course. It has all the hallmarks. Terror, night, guns.

    We must immediately crack down on whites who might be KKK. And if only we could get rid of anything that looked like those old flags. Perhaps then this hatred would stop. We have to try, for the sake of the children. Anything we put our mind to we can do!

  118. Brazil has the largest Arab diaspora population in the world, yet blond haired Brazilians almost never have Arabic last names.

    9 times out of 10 a blond haired Brazilian has either a German last name or an Italian last name.

    Massive Arab immigration into Brazil certainly did not help blonden that nation. Just like massive Arab immigration into Germany and France have not help make those two countries more blond.

  119. @Steve Sailer
    Jorge Luis Borges, Anthony Burgess, etc.

    There are 3 358 “Bourgeois” listed in Quebec’s phone books and from your review of “The Son Also Rises”, French Canadians probably don’t come from the French gentry: http://www.fr.canada411.ca/search/si/1/Bourgeois/Canada/

  120. @Jean Cocteausten
    When is someone going to dig into where Salon gets its money? It was a good site circa 2000, then had a near-death experience in 2003 after which it mysteriously made more than a full recovery accompanied by a hard left turn. Since then it reads like the sillier pages of the Daily Worker. According to Wikipedia it has never made a profit. Who's been bankrolling it? A foreign power interested in stirring up unrest?

    Maybe somebody thinking they can cash it out like Arianna did with HuffPo. Somebody did actually by the corpse of MySpace.

  121. The Western life is like that of a cross breeding programme between Pavlov’s Dog and Buridan’s Ass. Here’s the soundtrack for reading the Left vs Right reactions to the Assault of Freedom.

    Yet a voice of sanity pipes up from the crowd: “Close our borders we have enough anarchists already resident in Australia (our democracy) we do not need any more coming in disguised as refugees!!!!!!”

  122. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s not themselves they hate. It is you and I.

     

    James Fulford at Vdare.com has been making this point for years. He ends so many Fulford Files and blog posts with "They don't hate themselves. They hate you."

    But SWPLs are still W, as are most of us here objects of their hate. So we still need a term that means "hatred of one's own kind".

    Luckily, Greek has one at the ready:

    homophobia

    Luckily, Greek has one at the ready:

    homophobia

    That, good man, is extraordinarily well-played.

    Oikophobia is accurate (it speaks to the arrested development problem) but awkward.

    Jingophobia hits it pretty well (patriaphobia may be better).

    Cosmomania/cosmophilia gets to the same thing from the other direction and hints at a source of the malady: mothers raising their children to be captains of global empire (NGO, military, or corporate) rather than those parochial rubes who care about a single country.

  123. BTW, my question was in earnest, not rhetorical:

    Why are the most self-satified people in the world, your typical SJWs, perceived as self-hating, of all things?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    They're not really self-hating, or at least weren't originally. The origin of the phenomenon is in social signaling and class markers. Hence, Derbyshire's term "ethnomasochism" is more accurate than a term like "autophobia." They delight in/to the detriment of their fellows.
  124. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    This is not such a great theory. For one…

    This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    In order for this to be true, it’s necessary for “the West and its allies to [actually have] actually [begun] fighting ISIS…”. Any evidence of this?

    For another thing, this treats ISIS like a common geopolitical power instead of an ideologically-driven quasi-rational state. Do you really believe that ISIS harbored no ill will to Europe as long as they were essentially allowed to run rampant in the Middle East? Pshah!

    And for another, this totally ignores any other factors that may have changed recently, like… A MASSIVE INFLUX OF MIGRANTS FROM THE WAR ZONE. Hello? Bueller?

    • Agree: International Jew
  125. @Jefferson
    A black haired Mediterranean looking French guy who was interviewed by Fox News claims that one of the Islamic mass shooters in Paris had lighter hair than him, saying that he was blond. So at least one of the Muslim mass shooters was not Arab, but European. I have never seen an adult over the age of 18 Arab male with the same hair color as Owen Wilson, or Jeff Daniels, or Paul Walker, or Brock Lesnar. So that terrorist had to be a European who converted to Islam.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    Berber? Remember the hoo-ha when the yellow press decided that some poor blonde toddler was Madeleine McCann and tried to abduct her from her I think it was Moroccan parents. The arrests in Brussels today were in a heavily Moroccan slum from which a suspiciously large number of previous attackers have come, going back to the ‘8Os, including the Charlie killers.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    Found it. Name, Bouchra Akchar.
    In an intriguing footnote to palaeogenetics, a significant fraction of Rif Berber tribespeople are way "whiter" than many, many French Gauls, and have been that way for a long, long time. Paging Razib ..
  126. I am tired of Steve constantly censoring my posts when I am not anymore controversial than anybody else here. He gives the green light to comments like it the Jewish Israeli Mossad who committed the Paris attacks and not ISIS Muslims. Yet saying blondism is rare among Arabs is somehow considered more controversial and offensive when it is 100 percent fact. No country has ever gotten blonder from accepting large numbers of Arab immigrants. All of those Lebanese immigrants did not help turn Mexico into a Nordic Blondtopia paradise judging by the black hair of Mexico’s two most famous citizens of Lebanese descent Salma Hayek and Carlos Slim. Nobody would ever mistake them for Norwegians.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I am tired of Steve constantly censoring my posts when I am not anymore controversial than anybody else here.
     
    I'm tired of it too, and I know exactly how you feel. Sometimes my comments simply disappear, or they are sitting around in the moderation queue for hours while other ranting and substance-less posts are given a pass. This isn't right.

    I admit that I've never donated any money directly to iSteve, but I have given several hundred dollars to VDARE over the years because I think they do important work, and as I understand it they also assist Steve Sailer. So some of my material support has at least indirectly made it to Steve.

    Presumably bloggers think that having a comments section is a good thing, insofar as the comments add invaluable content to help leverage their own work while also building up a community of like-minded, emotionally invested people, and they do it all pro bono. Bloggers are also constantly exhorting us to "hit the tip jar."

    Well I have. I have hit the tip jar. I am a working man without a lot of money or time to spare. If I'm going to spend 20 minutes to an hour composing a post, I would at least like it to be seen. The message I'm getting is that my time and money simply aren't wanted here. Okay then.
    , @S. Anonyia
    Chill out about blond Arabs, dude. You sound obsessed. Besides, the guy interviewed did not specify blond hair, just "light" hair which could mean light brown or mouse-colored too.

    There are lots of Syrians, Lebanese, Moroccans, Palestinians with light brown hair. There is a slim possibility the terrorist is a convert. He could also be half Arab. A guy from my hometown joined a terrorist group in Africa. He was half Syrian, his mother was white American.
  127. @Jean Cocteausten
    When is someone going to dig into where Salon gets its money? It was a good site circa 2000, then had a near-death experience in 2003 after which it mysteriously made more than a full recovery accompanied by a hard left turn. Since then it reads like the sillier pages of the Daily Worker. According to Wikipedia it has never made a profit. Who's been bankrolling it? A foreign power interested in stirring up unrest?

    They get most of their money to cover losses from the Warnock family (John Warnock was a founder of Adobe) and the Hambrecht family, of Hambrecht & Quist fame. H&Q was one of the early venture capital firms and had a hand in Apple, Adobe, Netscape, and Amazon. Members of both families are on the Salon board.

    Salon has the basic business model of an old-time policy magazine: wealthy patrons subsidize the losses. Unfortunately the quality isn’t anywhere close to the old, pre-web magazines. They aim at just about the lowest popular demographic. I mean, if you’re going to subsidize a political magazine it might as well be somewhat genteel so it can rub off on you.

    I suspect Unz gets a better bang for his buck.

  128. @Desiderius
    BTW, my question was in earnest, not rhetorical:

    Why are the most self-satified people in the world, your typical SJWs, perceived as self-hating, of all things?

    They’re not really self-hating, or at least weren’t originally. The origin of the phenomenon is in social signaling and class markers. Hence, Derbyshire’s term “ethnomasochism” is more accurate than a term like “autophobia.” They delight in/to the detriment of their fellows.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    But again, that's sadism, not masochism.

    There's no mistaking who has the whip hand, or will do anything to have it.

    Every* attempt to characterize them, even by those now determined to counter them, somehow completely inverts their character. It's like they have a cloaking device.

    * - excepting of course Vox Day, Roissy, et. al.
  129. It gets pretty quiet on Sailer’s at this time of Judeo-American night, Oz day. Yet, while they sleep their ambassadors are raping the boys of their friends and planning to destroy the nations of their foes until they submit to Pax Americana and hand over their first born males as tribute.

    Hannagan’s First Law of Judeo-American Foreign Policy: As the rate of fag American Ambassadors increases the national safety of those who don’t have one decreases.

  130. Ms. Merkel, dressed in black. “We are crying with you ….” she said, her voice breaking. “And they met with murderers ..

    You don’t say, Geli? Wonder how that happened.
    That just has to be the all-time dictionary definition of “sheer brass neck”.

    One of the hit team turns out to have been a 15 y.o. kid who’d been clocked by the Greeks passing through the islands as a reffo a few weeks ago. A nasty part of me wonders if one of the thugs Mutti has been photographed hugging, in a not entirely maternal way, turns out to be involved.

  131. @Anonymous
    Salon got to the bottom of it quickly:

    http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/and_so_the_hate_speech_begins_let_paris_be_the_end_of_the_rights_violent_language_toward_activists/


    Turns out it was white American conservatives having opinions because reasons.

    “Salon got to the bottom of it quickly:

    http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/and_so_the_hate_speech_begins_let_paris_be_the_end_of_the_rights_violent_language_toward_activists/

    Turns out it was white American conservatives having opinions because reasons.”

    Slate also said Bill Maher is engaging in Islamophobia when he commented that it wasn’t the Amish who committed the Paris terrorist attacks.

    So to keep up with the score here, not only are White American conservatives being blamed for Mizzou, but White American conservatives are also being blamed for the Paris terrorist attacks as well.

    There was someone in The Black Voices section of The Huffington Post who believes that White college students develop hatred for Black college students because they watch Fox News and listen to racist Right Wing radio guys like Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, and Michael Savage who always preach hatred against the nation’s first Black president and affirmative action.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jeff. Imagine the shit you could get away with if you were an evil minded Amish terrorist.
  132. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Ethnomasochist.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Ethnomasochist works for me because it's easily understandable. Some people get hung up because of the "they're not self-hating" objection, but then you end up with no way to coin a simple description.
  133. @Jean Cocteausten
    When is someone going to dig into where Salon gets its money? It was a good site circa 2000, then had a near-death experience in 2003 after which it mysteriously made more than a full recovery accompanied by a hard left turn. Since then it reads like the sillier pages of the Daily Worker. According to Wikipedia it has never made a profit. Who's been bankrolling it? A foreign power interested in stirring up unrest?

    I think Digby Parton is a good writer.

  134. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    Disagree.

    The purpose of these attacks on Western soil is to provoke enraged responses from the public.

    Just like 9/11 resulted in an attack on Iraq, this will resolve into an attack on the Assad government.

    The media do not do fine detail, only you and the likes of the blogs you support.

    France and the USA could announce a retaliatory bombing of Syria/Northern Iraq in response that will in actual fact be an assault on the Assad govt and her Russian ally.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Just like 9/11 resulted in an attack on Iraq, this will resolve into an attack on the Assad government.

    The media do not do fine detail, only you and the likes of the blogs you support.

    France and the USA could announce a retaliatory bombing of Syria/Northern Iraq in response that will in actual fact be an assault on the Assad govt and her Russian ally.
     
    I hope that the Paris attacks do not result in more war. A better and more proper response would be to shut the borders (of France, the U.S., and other Western nations) and expel relatively recent refugees or immigrants who are Muslims or from Islamic countries (you'd have to decide exactly what the criteria for expulsion would be). Until the borders are closed, any military actions seem pointless with little chance of long-term success in stopping Islamic terrorism in Western countries.
  135. @Auntie Analogue

    "Who Did It?"

     

    Our Dear Rulers, the crony-stooges of the NAFAT-GATT-TPP-EU-Globalist-Capitalists, did it to us. Islam's jihadis are but one of the many tools in our Dear Rulers' Anarcho-Tyranny tool box, along with Black/LaRazatino/OtherMinority Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmailer-Extortionists, plus outsourcing of jobs and industries.

    In Paris Frenchmen were merely forced to submit to and suffer the latest lethal dose of our NAFTA-GATT-TPP-EU-Globalist Dear Rulers' Anarcho-Tyranny, whose program is:

    Lather.

    Rinse.

    Repeat.

    There you have the Anarcho-Tyrants' Cycle of Submission

    Lather: Jihad attack (or illegal or legal alien murderer - Kate Steinle; Virginia Tech; or your being forced to to submit to training your freshly Imported, freshly employed foreigner job replacements; or your college kid being forced to submit to campus race/Islam/"rape culture" Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmail liars).

    Rinse: "Tiny minority of extremists [Even Mr. Sailer uses the weasel word "Islamists"]." "Moslems in West now fear backlash." "Islam is...Peace." Stage usual "Je suis/we are all" vigils replete with platitudes about nonexistent imaginary "universal values." Dear Rulers act, fund & ratchet-up larger more powerful police-surveillance-security state - must ferret out and crush "hate speech" and "Islamophobia" and "bring to justice" the "Far Right Extremists" who oppose "Diversity Is Out Strength," and must hire more Moslem Huma Abedin Brotherhood operatives to "advise" SecState/CIA/FBI/NSA/DOD/Gendarmerie/ScotlandYard/&c., & must depose Moslem dictators, bomb Moslem lands, stimulate fresh wave of "refugees," Import more Moslems, Import more foreign STEM workers & menial cheap scab labor; enact more "hate speech" codes and laws and classify "hate speech" as a felony against the "world's universal values." And, above all, "Keep shopping, or the 'terrorists' win."

    Repeat: Jihad attack (illegal or legal alien murder of Americans, Imported foreigner job replacements; Ferguson/campus Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmail tantrum-cum-harangue).

    Lather. Rinse. Repeat. The Anarcho-Tyrants' Cycle of Submission.

    The Anarcho-Tyranny Cycle of Submission is the operating mechanism of Invade The World/Import The World. It's especially much more the operating mechanism of Import The World: our Dear Rulers never require Imminvaders to assimilate and instead force us to accommodate the Imminvaders and to yield our way of life to the Imminvaders' customs, culture, faith and barbarism.

    Sure, "terrorist" attacks are rare - yet they're far, very far from being as rare as hens' teeth - and they're committed by "a tiny minority of extremists," yet so was France's Reign of Terror committed by a "tiny minority of extremists"; so too were the Sultan & Young Turks a "tiny minority of extremists" who ran the Armenian Genocide; so too were the Bolsheviks a "tiny minority of extremists" who took over Russia and then murdered 100 million Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and countless other peoples; so too was the Nazi core leadership a "tiny minority of extremists" who took over Germany and went on to murder over ten million people; so too were Red China's Communists a "tiny minority of extremists" who starved scores of millions of their own people to death; and so too were the Khmer Rouge who took over Cambodia a "tiny minority of extremists" who mass murdered nearly three million of their own people. Even in our own American Revolution just one-third of the colonists supported the Revolution, one-third were Tories loyal to the Crown, and one-third were neutral - and the percentage of colonists who fought in the Revolution amounted to a "tiny minority of extremists." And on our campuses a "tiny minority of extremists" succeed at compelling college presidents to resign, to yield their posts to Grievance-Hoax-Shakedown-Blackmail facilitators.

    It is all very simple: Where there are no Moslems there is no jihad by hijra, by stealth-sharia-creep, by lawfare, or by violent attack. Where there is no Imported Cheap Third World Scab Labor, Americans get to keep their own well-paying jobs in their own country here in America. Where there are no Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmail hoaxers, your child gets a genuine, useful education, and white guys who passed the firefighter test get the firefighter jobs instead of unqualified "Disparate Impacters," and trillions of your taxpayer dollars are not flushed down the toilet to mollify Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmailers allowed to extort from us our dollars to fund their placement in power positions which they use to extort further lucre from our purses and further appointments of their ilk to commissariats that grind us down to serfdom in Third World muck. Where there are no Imported foreigners of cultures, faiths and customs - not of "universal values" - who are antagonistic, hostile and too often violent towards us and our culture, faiths and customs, we the people of the West get on very well in our daily lives and in our own destinies - and we suffer least and are best able to help others in their own lands.

    Until we Westerners who remain standing for Western Civilization break our Dear Rulers' of their Anarcho-Tyrannous Lather, Rinse, Repeat Cycle of Submission (which includes our Dear Rulers' Invade & Bomb Them All & Create Masses of "Refugees" to Import), we will submit repeatedly, monotonously in distracted, diverted mute ignorance to being forced to suffer endless rounds of Lather, Rinse, Repeat of our Anarcho-Tyrants' Cycle of Submission.

    It's. That. Simple.

    France actually has a very protectionist economy and strong unions. And the primary opponents of French economic protectionism aren’t US or EU globalists, but German industry.

  136. Mike Huckabee the Evangelical Social Conservative just said on Bret Baier that in addition to wanting to see illegal immigration reduced, he also wants to see legal immigration reduced. The final nail on the coffin for him that made him see the light was when he read about Disney wanting to replace it’s American workers with foreign workers.

    Too bad you never hear that type of political language from Libertarian politicians like Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Bob Barr, and Gary Johnson.

    That is why I can NEVER pull the lever and vote for a Libertarian for president. Libertarians are too politically in bed with The Department Of Agriculture and The American Farm Bureau who favor unlimited immigration.

    The Libertarian Rand Paul would be a lot higher in the polls if he made lowering immigration his number 1 platform instead of reducing spying from the NSA as his number 1 platform. Most Conservatives do not give a damn if the NSA tapping is the phone calls of Muslim people. Most Conservatives in this country are worried about more serious things like changing racial demographics, a shrinking middle class, and out of control political correctness higher academia.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Most Conservatives in this country are worried about more serious things like changing racial demographics, a shrinking middle class, and out of control political correctness higher academia."

    No, most conservatives in this country are worried about whether their team will go to the playoffs.

  137. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    Is this serious? First of France (the country who was attacked) hasn’t been fighting ISIS for quite some time. It only stepped up its active support of NATO missions in September. That’s two months. And surely your big brain has noticed the steady stream of immigrants over the past five months thousands of which are claimed, by ISIS, to be infiltrated terrorist. In fact two of the attackers have already been indentified as terrorist “refugee” infiltrators. Suddenly your “all of a sudden time” frame looks completely bogus and the timing of this attack makes a lot more sense. France has no barrier between it and the Middle East and its large Islamic population provides the perfect environment from which to stage terrorist attacks. Never mind this isn’t even close to the first ISIS planned terrorist attack launched against your obfuscatory formulation of “the West.”

    The questions come to mind. Is it an accident you have opposed ever single electorally successful intiative to stem the tide of illegal immigration? Offhand what does this post tell us about the correctness of those who claim Ron Unz eagerly supports the goals if not the means of La Raza. If Ron Unz truly cares about the American worker why does he publish Gustavo Arellano? Unz clearly cares deeply about Russian foreign policy and supports it slavishly. Why is that? Why believe everything Russia claims and nothing claimed by “the West.” Surely that kind of trite skepticism mixed with childish credulity betokens a certain bias.

    • Replies: @5371
    [Why believe everything Russia claims and nothing claimed by “the West.'']

    I keep thinking up new lies, daddy, why do you never believe me? Why do you only believe Johnny who always tells the truth?
  138. @Hail
    Ethnomasochist.

    Ethnomasochist works for me because it’s easily understandable. Some people get hung up because of the “they’re not self-hating” objection, but then you end up with no way to coin a simple description.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Ethnomasochist works for me because it’s easily understandable.
     
    The problem isn't the ethno, it's the masochist.

    They're not masochists, they're sadists.

  139. @Jefferson
    A black haired Mediterranean looking French guy who was interviewed by Fox News claims that one of the Islamic mass shooters in Paris had lighter hair than him, saying that he was blond. So at least one of the Muslim mass shooters was not Arab, but European. I have never seen an adult over the age of 18 Arab male with the same hair color as Owen Wilson, or Jeff Daniels, or Paul Walker, or Brock Lesnar. So that terrorist had to be a European who converted to Islam.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    Chechens are frequently blond.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Chechens are frequently blond."

    Chechens are not Arabs. Hence why you don't see any Chechens who look like Osama Bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
  140. There’s just something profoundly ugly about these expressions of sympathy, weeping, candle light vigils, calls for peace, facebook photos in the french colors, twitter photos of the Eiffel tower-peace symbol and what not.

    They sap the resolve of a nation right when it is most needed. Instead of rolling up its sleeves and getting ready to punch back, France is navel gazing and enjoying the perks of being a victim – endless attention from others, and cooing expressions of sympathy.

    I think it is a direct result of women voting, and the increasing presence of women in the media and the public square. When something bad happens to women, they want to hold hands and emote together, instead of taking any action to ensure it doesn’t happen again.

    Loathsome.

    • Agree: CJ, Jim Don Bob, Kylie, Anonym
    • Replies: @Thomas Fuller
    There's a neologism for that: dianafication. It derives from the hysterical reaction to the death of Princess Diana in 1997. "Hysteria" comes from the Greek word for "womb" and is hence regarded as an intrinsically female phenomenon.

    A masculine response to the Paris attacks would be rather more effective at preventing any more.
    , @Abe


    There’s just something profoundly ugly about these expressions of sympathy, weeping, candle light vigils, calls for peace, facebook photos in the french colors, twitter photos of the Eiffel tower-peace symbol and what not. They sap the resolve of a nation right when it is most needed.
    I think it is a direct result of women voting, and the increasing presence of women in the media and the public square. When something bad happens to women, they want to hold hands and emote together, instead of taking any action to ensure it doesn’t h
     
    appen again.
     
    Bingo. Also how there is absolutely no room for the Cincinattus/Fabius Maximus sort of persona in our public sphere anymore- the crusty, uncharismatic, yet undeniably wise old man who other men reluctantly turn to because they instinctually sense there is no room for guile or self-delusion beneath his abrasive facade, and that only he can guide us to the necessary but hard truths we need. I guess the gnomic Bernie Sanders is a good example of this type of leader from the left. From the right it would be the fact we had to wait almost a decade before we could choose a Presidential nominee with Tom Tancredo's brain, because first it had to be wrapped in Alec Baldwin's body.

    PS: while on this anti-suffragism kick, let me get dibs on predicting the new Oscar-bait movie, SUFFRAGETTE, will get some nice circular firing squad action going soon because all its right-side-of-history, white British female main characters are, you know, white.
    , @Anonymous

    I think it is a direct result of women voting, and the increasing presence of women in the media and the public square. When something bad happens to women, they want to hold hands and emote together, instead of taking any action to ensure it doesn’t happen again.
     
    Yeah, having grown up with a liberal feminist mother, it took me a long time to accept this fact. While I love women, they have naive, liberal impulse which becomes self-destructive in the macro world. Women can be very passionate about a course of action, but these same women will not watch a brutal video showing the reality of the situation. Or they do it is through a highly emotional state.
  141. @Steve Sailer
    That one is simple it enough that it might catch on, although, keep in mind, my batting average at getting words and phrases to catch on is .000

    You’ve got brilliant coinages. The problem, I hate to say, is that they can be traced back to you, and reading iSteve is about as acceptable in SWPL land as reading the Daily Worker was in 1950.

    • Replies: @Sideways
    Yeah, I'd love to be able to use "occam's butterknife" in public
  142. @Mr. Anon
    "Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?"

    The word you're looking for is: Liberal

    “Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?”

    The word you’re looking for is: Liberal

    That’s good.

    I’m going to throw out “hijacked White body”.

    • Replies: @Abe

    I’m going to throw out “hijacked White body”.
     
    I second this! HWB, I like it! Those sperging out on the most etymologically correct coinage, or thinking they can be too clever by half and appropriate the left's own terminology ("homophobe") fail to realize in marketing you need to be short, quick, unconfusing, AND also not directly confrontational or unpleasant. That's why "social justice warrior" is so great- it gets around lefties first line of defense by not being overtly hostile- its power is through the rather dryly ironic use of "warrior" to ridicule and belittle people who are going to change the world not by going out in the street and demonstrating, like their beloved 60's counterculture forebears, but through one desultory re-tweet and Facebook-like at a time.

    Also, "hijacked White body" very nicely uses the "black body" meme to springboard itself into greater public awareness. We have a winner!
    , @Sparkling Wiggle
    People who think they are white and don't like it.
  143. @Wilkey
    What I'm more interested in is how much longer Merkel will remain as chancellor. Will the fallout from these attacks, if it turns out that some were refugees, result in her ouster? Given her already weakened position of late it's easy to see that happening.

    What I’m more interested in is how much longer Merkel will remain as chancellor. Will the fallout from these attacks, if it turns out that some were refugees….

    You mean “refugees”, not refugees.

  144. One for you then, Steve, seeing as how no article I’ve read on the subject results in a positive return on the Ctrl-f for Immigration.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    One for you then, Steve, seeing as how no article I’ve read on the subject results in a positive return on the Ctrl-f for Immigration.
     
    Is immigration really being threatened because of this? We all know what happened to muslim immigration after 9-11. It exploded. So do the proponents of the immivasion really feel threatened tonight that their pet project is suddenly in jeopardy?

    I ask because every time someone perceived as being politically on our side commits a crime, we all cringe as we await the inevitable political fallout that will surely attack one of our positions. For example, mass shootings always lead to more calls for curbing the 2nd Amendment. And we all saw what happened to the rebel flag this summer. Not that most of us are Southern, but the other side seems to always get a pet peeve of theirs addressed to mollify them. What do we get after big events like this, or even the daily grind of immigrants killing citizens?

    I just can't understand why the open borders crowd never has to worry about defending their position even after the most heinous of crimes. As Pat Buchanan has stated over and over about the free traders and interventionists, "what do they have to do to prove they were wrong?" If the open borders position is not seriously challenged after this, what on Earth would it take to actually prove to people the insanity of this policy?
  145. Why is it that, when coordinated teams of Muslims shoot a bunch of people and ISIS claims credit, we call it “terrorism”, but when a white kid with a history of mental illness shoots a bunch of people, we blame mental illness?

    • Replies: @rod1963
    Because most of the rage monsters doing school shootings are well known nut jobs.

    Technically what the Muzzies do is part and parcel of war against the unbeliever. They've always practiced it this way and it is encouraged in their various holy books. Muslims do not differentiate at all between combatant and non-combatant, to them we are all fair game. One only has to examine devout Koran reading Muslims of ISIS to see that in action. All are targets.

    We call what they do terrorism so as to white wash it, rather than call it what it really is: total war practiced against the unbelievers(the rest of the world). We cannot say what they are really doing because it is too unpalatable for our elites and intelligentsia to admit they let in hostile foreign army into their lands which is going to end up in a major shooting war here at home.

    Make no mistake it's coming.
    , @Auntie Analogue
    "Why is it that, when coordinated teams of Muslims shoot a bunch of people and ISIS claims credit, we call it 'terrorism', [sic] but when a white kid with a history of mental illness shoots a bunch of people, we blame mental illness?"


    My dear anon, you can't be serious.

    There are 1.6 BILLION Moslems who, among themselves and against us kuffar, commit murders and mass murders day in, day out, 24 x 7 x 365.

    There are NOT 1.6 billion "white kids with a history of mental illness."

    You made the further error of conflating a minuscule-percentage domestic problem with a large percentage Imported Third World foreign problem that needed never to have been Imported.
  146. Steve Sailer is an extreme hypocrite for criticizing Mizzou University for being pro-1st amendment for only freedom of of speech they approve of, when Steve is guilty of running his blog the same way. There is way more freedom of speech at Twitchy, American Renaissance, Taki Magazine, Stuff Black People Don’t Like, and even Yahoo Answers comments section than there is here. There is even more freedom of speech at the African American discussion board Lipstick Alley despite them disagreeing with almost everything I say, but they still let me say it as long as I am not making threats to hurt anybody. I am actually surprised a discussion board run by an African American moderator would be so pro-1st amendment for speech she/he disagrees with.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    TakiMag's comments are excruciating, and I will miss you.
    , @Anonymous
    That's just not true. Steve's Komment Kontrol is very moderate and very likely needed to keep things civil. Mistakes do happen of course but in my 11 years of commenting here I think only three posts were censored.
    , @Bert
    The fact that Steve isn't approving some of your comments may be due to the fact that you don't really know jack crap about anything you talk about and everything you say is based on the most laughably superficial of observations. Such as your belief that no Hispanic could possibly want to be called white or consider themselves white because some character on Modern Family (who isn't real) insists on not being called white. A fictional character. On a TV show.

    It's also telling how you mentioned AR and Yahoo. I'm not surprised you'd prefer those sites considering their both festering shitholes full of autistic WNs and spamming repetitive idiots. You certainly would fit in much better over there.

    But please, feel free to continue believing that you contribute valuable thoughts.

    , @Ed
    Wow white right wingers hang out on Lipstick Alley? Learn something new everyday.
    , @Hunsdon
    Oh fuck off, Jefferson.
  147. @Jefferson
    Steve Sailer is an extreme hypocrite for criticizing Mizzou University for being pro-1st amendment for only freedom of of speech they approve of, when Steve is guilty of running his blog the same way. There is way more freedom of speech at Twitchy, American Renaissance, Taki Magazine, Stuff Black People Don't Like, and even Yahoo Answers comments section than there is here. There is even more freedom of speech at the African American discussion board Lipstick Alley despite them disagreeing with almost everything I say, but they still let me say it as long as I am not making threats to hurt anybody. I am actually surprised a discussion board run by an African American moderator would be so pro-1st amendment for speech she/he disagrees with.

    TakiMag’s comments are excruciating, and I will miss you.

  148. @Pat Hannagan
    One for you then, Steve, seeing as how no article I've read on the subject results in a positive return on the Ctrl-f for Immigration.

    One for you then, Steve, seeing as how no article I’ve read on the subject results in a positive return on the Ctrl-f for Immigration.

    Is immigration really being threatened because of this? We all know what happened to muslim immigration after 9-11. It exploded. So do the proponents of the immivasion really feel threatened tonight that their pet project is suddenly in jeopardy?

    I ask because every time someone perceived as being politically on our side commits a crime, we all cringe as we await the inevitable political fallout that will surely attack one of our positions. For example, mass shootings always lead to more calls for curbing the 2nd Amendment. And we all saw what happened to the rebel flag this summer. Not that most of us are Southern, but the other side seems to always get a pet peeve of theirs addressed to mollify them. What do we get after big events like this, or even the daily grind of immigrants killing citizens?

    I just can’t understand why the open borders crowd never has to worry about defending their position even after the most heinous of crimes. As Pat Buchanan has stated over and over about the free traders and interventionists, “what do they have to do to prove they were wrong?” If the open borders position is not seriously challenged after this, what on Earth would it take to actually prove to people the insanity of this policy?

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    My point, as poorly expressed as it was, is that immigration will not get a moment of comment.
    , @unpc downunder
    One of the differences here is that Jews are directly being targeted. In 9/11 there was no specific targeting of Jews. Do Jews in France, who tend to vote centre-right really want more Arabs in France?

    This attack was intelligently directly - it attacked a Jewish run club that was hosting a band with neo-con sympathies that regularly plays in Israel. It wouln't suprise me if a high percentage of those watching the band were Jewish. A prudent Parisan would now avoid Jewish run businesses.

    Hence it's going to be interesting what effect this has on media attitudes to the National Front and France's immigration policy.

  149. @Jefferson
    Steve Sailer is an extreme hypocrite for criticizing Mizzou University for being pro-1st amendment for only freedom of of speech they approve of, when Steve is guilty of running his blog the same way. There is way more freedom of speech at Twitchy, American Renaissance, Taki Magazine, Stuff Black People Don't Like, and even Yahoo Answers comments section than there is here. There is even more freedom of speech at the African American discussion board Lipstick Alley despite them disagreeing with almost everything I say, but they still let me say it as long as I am not making threats to hurt anybody. I am actually surprised a discussion board run by an African American moderator would be so pro-1st amendment for speech she/he disagrees with.

    That’s just not true. Steve’s Komment Kontrol is very moderate and very likely needed to keep things civil. Mistakes do happen of course but in my 11 years of commenting here I think only three posts were censored.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    Lol wut? Steve is the most arbitrary censorer in the entire Alt Right. Everybody else on Unz either allows anything to go through or at least you'll know what will and won't pass Komment Kontrol. With Steve it is like quantum mechanics, totally random.

    Steve blows.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Like a typical Boomer, Steve moderates anything that isn't the moderate reasonable "tone" he agrees with.

    Anything actually hinting at civil conflict that might knock him out of his comfortable Cali nest is unspeakable.

    I'd have more faith that he was being discrete if Steve didn't seem to approve every obvious troll about interracial rape that appears on here.
  150. @Perspective
    As others have already mentioned, I think oikophobia, as coined by British philosopher Roger Scruton is the way to go. According to Scruton it means: "the repudiation of inheritance and home."He argued that it is "a stage through which the adolescent mind normally passes", but that it is a feature of some, typically leftist, political impulses and ideologies which espouse xenophilia (preference for alien cultures).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikophobia

    Scruton should have known better. An “oik”, in British slang, is an inferior person, usually of a lower class than the speaker represents himself as belonging to, badly mannered or at least ignorant of the expected mores, etc. The word has various applications. For example, in the RAF it is sometimes used (in private) by officers referring to the enlisted men; sometimes by an enlisted man referring to himself, whether in irony or sarcasm. Generally, “oik” would appear in a thesaurus adjacent to “peasant”, “yob” or “chav”.

    Hence if one self-defines as oikophobic, one will in Britain be regarded as a snob. Mind you, everyone in Britain is a snob of one sort or another, me included.

    More here:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oik

    As already noted, the term “Liberal”, in its present and deeply erroneous meaning (especially in the U.S.) is probably the one to use to describe someone whose self-loathing has blossomed into a general loathing of his own culture and people. I would suggest that it should always be used in scare quotes. That might give a few uncommitted readers food for thought. It might with advantage also be developed as a term of abuse, and when spoken uttered with a suitable sneer.

  151. @SPMoore8
    Well, two responses are rather predictable: #1 - I love France, #2 - Kill them all.

    So let's step back and look at this in terms of what we know about world history, revolutions and such.

    First thing we know is that the Arab-Muslim population (yes, I know Iranians are not Arabs) has undergone a fourfold increase in the past 50 years. It has, I believe, exceeded the carrying capacity of virtually every single Arab Muslim nation. There is not sufficient economic and/or trade infrastructure to give all of these tens of millions consistent growth and development. There is not sufficient cultural infrastructure to do that either; in fact, what we have here is a feudal social/cultural infrastructure on top of a sluggish welfare economy that is basically buoyed almost entirely by oil and/or other raw materials.

    So it's a safe bet that that Arab Muslim world will be a basket case for decades, and there will probably be lots of wars, revolts, massacres, and so on for a long time.

    So it's a certainty that there are going to be a lot of refugees, and it's a certainty that there are going to be a lot of retaliatory attacks, such as this one.

    If we attack them in force sufficient to actually change things, we will end up having to kill a lot of people and furthermore getting a lot of our people killed. It's clear that, since 9/11, the West doesn't have the stomach for that. If we turn off the refugee spigot, we are inviting other retaliatory attacks.

    The question is: How hard can we be to stop the refugees from subverting our own culture, and how hard do we want to be to stabilize the frankly hopeless situation in the Arab Muslim world? I don't have the answer to either question, and furthermore, it's not merely a policy question, it's a political question, because whichever way we decide to act, we need political leadership, in the US, in Europe, to galvanize the people. And there's no evidence that anyone can do that either.

    One thing is certain: the implosion of the Muslim/Arab world is going to make it rough for all of us, the only question is how, and how committed are we to making the hard choices -- including the hard sacrifices -- to address it.

    Another thing that seems certain: the Euro absorption of millions of so far unassimilated Muslims Arabs was completely insane.

    I know this sounds ridiculous, but I am betting on the ole’ Sunni vs. Shiite rivalry to come into play and counteract/implode/confuse the current, perceived power of Sunni jihaddies. Shiites have been repressed for some time, but they are not interested in European land dominion; they oddly, want their rightful lands back from ISIS or AL Qaeda, whomever & whatever. Let’s remember that Sunnis are the bad guys, the head cutters. The conflict continues to be about money, resources, and access to women/procreation).

    In a sick way, we must embrace the Shiites: Iran, Russian by default, and Asad, and all the weird minority non-Sunni’s, all those groups which we can’t pronounce the names of. Most powerful Sunnis still know that S.A/Qatar/UAE/etc, have oil, and, that destroying Europe is stupid. But, if they feel that Shiites have Europe’s ear, then the internal battles will play out catastrophically for both factions. I will continue to remain xenophobic. And, China will continue to enjoy watching things implode…but they need a strong US & EU to not have their economy collapse…but who the heck really needs the ME since all they’ve got is oil? Oil may very well be “so over” in a few years. And, they’ve got nuthin’ after that.

    • Agree: Travis
  152. @thinkingabout it
    There's just something profoundly ugly about these expressions of sympathy, weeping, candle light vigils, calls for peace, facebook photos in the french colors, twitter photos of the Eiffel tower-peace symbol and what not.

    They sap the resolve of a nation right when it is most needed. Instead of rolling up its sleeves and getting ready to punch back, France is navel gazing and enjoying the perks of being a victim - endless attention from others, and cooing expressions of sympathy.

    I think it is a direct result of women voting, and the increasing presence of women in the media and the public square. When something bad happens to women, they want to hold hands and emote together, instead of taking any action to ensure it doesn't happen again.

    Loathsome.

    There’s a neologism for that: dianafication. It derives from the hysterical reaction to the death of Princess Diana in 1997. “Hysteria” comes from the Greek word for “womb” and is hence regarded as an intrinsically female phenomenon.

    A masculine response to the Paris attacks would be rather more effective at preventing any more.

  153. @anon
    Why is it that, when coordinated teams of Muslims shoot a bunch of people and ISIS claims credit, we call it "terrorism", but when a white kid with a history of mental illness shoots a bunch of people, we blame mental illness?

    Because most of the rage monsters doing school shootings are well known nut jobs.

    Technically what the Muzzies do is part and parcel of war against the unbeliever. They’ve always practiced it this way and it is encouraged in their various holy books. Muslims do not differentiate at all between combatant and non-combatant, to them we are all fair game. One only has to examine devout Koran reading Muslims of ISIS to see that in action. All are targets.

    We call what they do terrorism so as to white wash it, rather than call it what it really is: total war practiced against the unbelievers(the rest of the world). We cannot say what they are really doing because it is too unpalatable for our elites and intelligentsia to admit they let in hostile foreign army into their lands which is going to end up in a major shooting war here at home.

    Make no mistake it’s coming.

  154. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Hannagan
    Disagree.

    The purpose of these attacks on Western soil is to provoke enraged responses from the public.

    Just like 9/11 resulted in an attack on Iraq, this will resolve into an attack on the Assad government.

    The media do not do fine detail, only you and the likes of the blogs you support.

    France and the USA could announce a retaliatory bombing of Syria/Northern Iraq in response that will in actual fact be an assault on the Assad govt and her Russian ally.

    Just like 9/11 resulted in an attack on Iraq, this will resolve into an attack on the Assad government.

    The media do not do fine detail, only you and the likes of the blogs you support.

    France and the USA could announce a retaliatory bombing of Syria/Northern Iraq in response that will in actual fact be an assault on the Assad govt and her Russian ally.

    I hope that the Paris attacks do not result in more war. A better and more proper response would be to shut the borders (of France, the U.S., and other Western nations) and expel relatively recent refugees or immigrants who are Muslims or from Islamic countries (you’d have to decide exactly what the criteria for expulsion would be). Until the borders are closed, any military actions seem pointless with little chance of long-term success in stopping Islamic terrorism in Western countries.

    • Replies: @Muse
    Closing US borders would have been the proper response to 9/11 if you want to protect the average citizen of the United States.

    Instead, the US invaded Iraq.

    Remember the Maine!
    Assassination of Ferdinand
    Pearl Harbor
    Gulf of Tonkin
    9/11

    Notice any patterns?
  155. @iSteveFan

    One for you then, Steve, seeing as how no article I’ve read on the subject results in a positive return on the Ctrl-f for Immigration.
     
    Is immigration really being threatened because of this? We all know what happened to muslim immigration after 9-11. It exploded. So do the proponents of the immivasion really feel threatened tonight that their pet project is suddenly in jeopardy?

    I ask because every time someone perceived as being politically on our side commits a crime, we all cringe as we await the inevitable political fallout that will surely attack one of our positions. For example, mass shootings always lead to more calls for curbing the 2nd Amendment. And we all saw what happened to the rebel flag this summer. Not that most of us are Southern, but the other side seems to always get a pet peeve of theirs addressed to mollify them. What do we get after big events like this, or even the daily grind of immigrants killing citizens?

    I just can't understand why the open borders crowd never has to worry about defending their position even after the most heinous of crimes. As Pat Buchanan has stated over and over about the free traders and interventionists, "what do they have to do to prove they were wrong?" If the open borders position is not seriously challenged after this, what on Earth would it take to actually prove to people the insanity of this policy?

    My point, as poorly expressed as it was, is that immigration will not get a moment of comment.

  156. @Sam Haysom
    Is this serious? First of France (the country who was attacked) hasn't been fighting ISIS for quite some time. It only stepped up its active support of NATO missions in September. That's two months. And surely your big brain has noticed the steady stream of immigrants over the past five months thousands of which are claimed, by ISIS, to be infiltrated terrorist. In fact two of the attackers have already been indentified as terrorist "refugee" infiltrators. Suddenly your "all of a sudden time" frame looks completely bogus and the timing of this attack makes a lot more sense. France has no barrier between it and the Middle East and its large Islamic population provides the perfect environment from which to stage terrorist attacks. Never mind this isn't even close to the first ISIS planned terrorist attack launched against your obfuscatory formulation of "the West."

    The questions come to mind. Is it an accident you have opposed ever single electorally successful intiative to stem the tide of illegal immigration? Offhand what does this post tell us about the correctness of those who claim Ron Unz eagerly supports the goals if not the means of La Raza. If Ron Unz truly cares about the American worker why does he publish Gustavo Arellano? Unz clearly cares deeply about Russian foreign policy and supports it slavishly. Why is that? Why believe everything Russia claims and nothing claimed by "the West." Surely that kind of trite skepticism mixed with childish credulity betokens a certain bias.

    [Why believe everything Russia claims and nothing claimed by “the West.”]

    I keep thinking up new lies, daddy, why do you never believe me? Why do you only believe Johnny who always tells the truth?

  157. the terrorists love their freedom. They love the freedom to migrate and travel to Europe. They love the freedom which they enjoy when they hide in ethnic communities who give them moral backing. They love the freedom to use as much violence as they want. Europeans gave them the freedom themselves and now they make use of it

  158. @Stan
    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    You need to get out more. I have met Lebanese and Syrians with blond hair.

    You need to get out more. I have met Lebanese and Syrians with blond hair.

    I believe the Crusaders left lots of their genes behind. Seriously, I have met 4-5 Lebanese who looked French. With fair European skin though not blond. Lebanon used to be Christian dominant. IIRC it was 80% Christian in the early 20th century. Lebanon was a place to do business and trade. Some Christian Lebanese became wealthy as intermediaries, middleman negotiating trade deals between Europe and the Arab oil producers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The Crusaders didn't really leave their genes there. They were a small population and had trouble with basic survival there and suffered from scurvy, dysentery, and malaria because they were not adapted to the local environment. See Alfred McCoy's "Ecological Imperialism".
  159. @AnAnon
    "Yes, exactly as Bush said: “They hate our freedom!” Why does this get repeated so often?" - it worked for bush, so why not them? challenging the real reason for the hatred(we hate you as a people because you exist) raises uncomfortable questions for the left.

    ‘uncomfortable questions’ is why we can’t make any motion back or away from radical equality, uplifting NAMs, welcoming everyone and so on. Alternative paths are terra incognitas, voids, and would just destroy the identity we’ve built up, leaving us where? There needs to be some strong idea available to replace what we’d lose. Like ‘protect the country’, ‘the best country for the best people’, ‘different countries for different peoples’ (hat tip to Steve), something like that. We may see an increase in interest in fashy ideas.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    ‘different countries for different peoples’ (hat tip to Steve), something like that. We may see an increase in interest in fashy ideas.
     
    Different countries for different people doesn't have to by fashy.

    If one truly cares about diversity, it's the only real way to preserve it from the global MonoCorp Borg.

    You can even have exceptions like this guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiQN3W3hiPM

    within that generally accepted framework. Assimilation as cultural preservation.
  160. @al gore rhythms
    Like a lot of others here, I was quite cynical about another attack in Europe producing any real change, but maybe there are reasons why things could be different this time. They have found two Syrian passports already. European voters can be pretty myopic and forgetful, but it's pretty hard to ignore that there has been such recent controversy about letting this vast wave of immigrants into Europe, and now it has borne bitter fruit so soon. And they are still coming. What chance the Eastern Europeans taking any now? How can liberals in the West really tar them as racist Islamophobes when they refuse to accept them as a security risk? And how are the hundreds of thousands already here now going to be processed and checked? What responsiblity will Angela Merkal and Germany have to take? Just how many potential terrorists were there amongst the recent influx? What moral authority does the EU have left when it comes to negotiations with Britain (or anyone) over EU membership and the border arrangements tha go with it?

    now it would be great to have some insights into refugee camps in Sweden, Germany etc. One would need to have some arab speaking guys who listened to and watched the refugees in the moment the news from Paris came in. How did they react? What share of refugees seemed to feel desperate because they have fled from IS in the near East and now IS has followed. What share of refugees were obviously proud of their jihadi brothers. What share of IS had mixed reactions, like: well this was little to gruesome, but still the Europeans had it coming

  161. @duderino
    What would have to happen, hypothetically, for Obama to cancel taking in Syrian refugees? Does such a threshold exist?

    when Syrians would show some signs of being racist against blacks?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "when Syrians would show some signs of being racist against blacks?"

    Some Mexican gang bangers are racist against Blacks, but Hussein Obama still wants to swamp America with as many Mexicans as possible.

    Syrians are not a European ethnic group and most of them are Muslims and not Christians, so they will get a pass from Hussein Obama if some Syrians behave racist towards African Americans.

  162. It would be an interesting to see who incited and planned the attacks. A state actor? ISIS itself? Heck, a depressed Jewish basement-dwelling troll got two jihadists to attack some cops in Texas, and had a few more attacks on the boil.

    But the fact is that Moslems are too easily radicalized into carrying out these attacks. Time to drain the swamp.

  163. SteSai said:

    As Mao said, “The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.”

    That quote flashed through my mind as reports started to come in suggesting that the attackers had a degree of co-ordination and local knowledge which implied somewhat deep roots in the area. Certainly more than the standard “lone wolf” excuse suggests.

    This attack is a textbook example of the blowback from the Neo-Con/Neo-Lib “invade-the-world/invite-the-world” doctrine, which Steve used to neatly encapsulate the unforced errors behind the Clash of Civilizations.

    Invade the World: The attack was provoked by the French governments gratuitous military intervention against ISIS forces in the Middle East.

    Invite the World: The attackers were home-grown terrorists and refugees drawn into France by EU elites guest-labouring immigration and diversity-celebrating incubation policies.

    These policies are often portrayed as moral imperatives. Certainly many well-intentioned people support them. But the modern warfare and welfare state is not a “stairway to heaven”. It is a compulsory insurance company. As such, company policy should emphasise risk management and reducing civil liability. Many immigrants from Africa and Arabia are poor risks. And recent invasions of those areas seem to be the “graveyard of statesmens dreams”.

    To promote civil peace the EU should pursue a policy of moratorium towards Africa and Arabia. Just Disconnect. For the time being, no more grand military adventures outwards and no more large migrant movement inwards.

    Because, truth be told, the history of the past 1400 years suggests that European and sub-Mediterranean peoples are “just not that into” each other.

    • Replies: @Jill
    I disagree completely with your view. Perhaps you can explain all the Islamic murderous rampages all over the world since 1981:

    List of Islamist terrorist attacks

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
    Kenya, Nigeria, Mali, the Philippines, China, ...what did those people do to deserve their fate?

    In the meantime, Islamic terrorists f*** with us while we pretend western powers meekly accede and view the slaughter of Christians and Yazidis and other innocents in a far away distant drug ladened stupor.
  164. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s not themselves they hate. It is you and I.

     

    James Fulford at Vdare.com has been making this point for years. He ends so many Fulford Files and blog posts with "They don't hate themselves. They hate you."

    But SWPLs are still W, as are most of us here objects of their hate. So we still need a term that means "hatred of one's own kind".

    Luckily, Greek has one at the ready:

    homophobia

    Homophobia is, as they say, taken. But it would be the most logical choice otherwise. Terms like egophobia don’t sound right because they imply a hatred of oneself as an individual, and I don’t see many people who hate their own race being short on ego. Hatred of whites by whites is often an expression of egocentricity.

    • Replies: @TangoMan
    Homophobia is, as they say, taken.

    It shouldn't matter that the term is already taken, so was the word Gay before it was repurposed.

    Think of how disorienting such a counter attack would be.

    Accuser: Your sound like a xenophobe.
    You: I don't know about that, I don't have a fear of others, but you clearly demonstrate yourself to be a homophobe.
    Accuser: What? I love homosexuals, why my best friend is gay. Why do you say that? . . . .

    This throws them of their moral high horse and then you take the superior position of correcting them, and explaining to them their hatred of their own society and the people of that society, those who are the same as them but not liberals.

    Besides, to a liberal being called a homophobe comes with more reputational threat than what they're launching at you with the accusation of you having an irrational phobia about the "other."
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Terms like egophobia don’t sound right ...
     
    ...because they barbarically (literally!) tack Latin onto Greek. As a Brit said of television in the 1920s, bah! Half-Latin, half-Greek; nothing good can come of it.
  165. @Chrisnonymous
    They're not really self-hating, or at least weren't originally. The origin of the phenomenon is in social signaling and class markers. Hence, Derbyshire's term "ethnomasochism" is more accurate than a term like "autophobia." They delight in/to the detriment of their fellows.

    But again, that’s sadism, not masochism.

    There’s no mistaking who has the whip hand, or will do anything to have it.

    Every* attempt to characterize them, even by those now determined to counter them, somehow completely inverts their character. It’s like they have a cloaking device.

    * – excepting of course Vox Day, Roissy, et. al.

  166. @Jefferson
    A black haired Mediterranean looking French guy who was interviewed by Fox News claims that one of the Islamic mass shooters in Paris had lighter hair than him, saying that he was blond. So at least one of the Muslim mass shooters was not Arab, but European. I have never seen an adult over the age of 18 Arab male with the same hair color as Owen Wilson, or Jeff Daniels, or Paul Walker, or Brock Lesnar. So that terrorist had to be a European who converted to Islam.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    As others have said, you should get out more (no offense). Your Arab cab drivers aren’t likely to be from the top layer of society in their home countries, so they are less likely to be light haired/skinned. I have met Arabs (mostly Syrians and Iraqis) with light hair and eyes.

    When I was a student at a large Midwestern university, there was a Syrian prof with ruddy complexion, strawberry blond hair and green eyes. He could have passed for a German or a Pole. Bass player for Acrassicauda (Iraqi heavy metal band) has blue eyes and dishwater blond hair, and can pass for James Hetfield’s (Metallica) cousin. Bashar Al-Assad has blue eyes, and his wife Asma looks more French than Nicolas Sarkozy’s wife. Queen Rania of Jordan would look at home anywhere from Spain to Greece.

    Of course there are many dark Arabs, but among the Levantines especially you’re going to find a surprisingly large number of surprisingly pale people.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "As others have said, you should get out more (no offense). Your Arab cab drivers aren’t likely to be from the top layer of society in their home countries, so they are less likely to be light haired/skinned."

    I do get out a lot. I often go to Arab restaurants to eat shawarma and falafel and none of the owners are ever blond like Daniel Craig from the 007 films.

    "Of course there are many dark Arabs, but among the Levantines especially you’re going to find a surprisingly large number of surprisingly pale people"

    I am not talking about pale skin, I am talking about blond hair. Pale skin means nothing as I have seen many East Asians with ghostly pale skin, especially among the Japanese.

    Pale skin alone does not make a person Nordic.

    , @Rob McX
    You'd need to clarify your definition of the word Arab. Usually it means a member of a Semitic ethnic group who are black-haired if they're of pure blood. If you take it to mean someone from the Middle East or North Africa who speaks Arabic, the definition would be much wider. People in those places who have fair hair and/or blue eyes must have European blood.
  167. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @WhatEvvs
    Ta-Nehisi Coates has tweeted nothing about the Paris attacks. Other things, such as his own career, are more important. He has the mentality of a 13-year old.

    Of course it’s not important to Coates. Those people who were killed were white, meaning that they had the power to shatter his black body for no reason.

    When 9/11 happened, he didn’t even care about the firefighters who died trying to save people. They were body-shatterers too, so why should he have any sympathy?

    Of course, people bought the book where he said that like hotcakes, so if he cared about his career, he probably SHOULD tweet more about how little he cares, since that’s what his SWPL audience wants to hear.

    • Replies: @Ed
    The cousin of a black French soccer player, citizens of several North African countries and a Mexican American were killed in the attacks.

    If Coates thinks only whites will be killed well he's dumber than I previously thought.
    , @WhatEvvs
    I get that point. As I said, he has the mentality of a 13 year old. Like those black Mizzou students who are tweeting, "What about us? Who cares about this Paris shit? We're the straws that stir the drink!" And in a way, they're right, they are. Because we tolerate it. Encourage it.
  168. @iSteveFan

    “It is an act of war that was prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish.”
     
    I suggest the investigation into said complicity start at the top with Mr. Hollande, Sarkozy and the host of other elites who have opened up Europe.

    It could also lend weight to the xenophobic arguments of right-wing populists like Marine Le Pen...”
     
    According to the dictionary, a xenophobe is "one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin." Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.

    Istevefan @ # 2 said:

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?

    Patriphobia

  169. @the cruncher
    'uncomfortable questions' is why we can't make any motion back or away from radical equality, uplifting NAMs, welcoming everyone and so on. Alternative paths are terra incognitas, voids, and would just destroy the identity we've built up, leaving us where? There needs to be some strong idea available to replace what we'd lose. Like 'protect the country', 'the best country for the best people', 'different countries for different peoples' (hat tip to Steve), something like that. We may see an increase in interest in fashy ideas.

    ‘different countries for different peoples’ (hat tip to Steve), something like that. We may see an increase in interest in fashy ideas.

    Different countries for different people doesn’t have to by fashy.

    If one truly cares about diversity, it’s the only real way to preserve it from the global MonoCorp Borg.

    You can even have exceptions like this guy:

    within that generally accepted framework. Assimilation as cultural preservation.

  170. @Harry Baldwin
    Ethnomasochist works for me because it's easily understandable. Some people get hung up because of the "they're not self-hating" objection, but then you end up with no way to coin a simple description.

    Ethnomasochist works for me because it’s easily understandable.

    The problem isn’t the ethno, it’s the masochist.

    They’re not masochists, they’re sadists.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    They’re not masochists, they’re sadists.

    But an "ethnosadist" just sounds like a racist. Do you really have such a problem with that term? I haven't heard a better one in this discussion.
  171. @Jefferson
    Steve Sailer is an extreme hypocrite for criticizing Mizzou University for being pro-1st amendment for only freedom of of speech they approve of, when Steve is guilty of running his blog the same way. There is way more freedom of speech at Twitchy, American Renaissance, Taki Magazine, Stuff Black People Don't Like, and even Yahoo Answers comments section than there is here. There is even more freedom of speech at the African American discussion board Lipstick Alley despite them disagreeing with almost everything I say, but they still let me say it as long as I am not making threats to hurt anybody. I am actually surprised a discussion board run by an African American moderator would be so pro-1st amendment for speech she/he disagrees with.

    The fact that Steve isn’t approving some of your comments may be due to the fact that you don’t really know jack crap about anything you talk about and everything you say is based on the most laughably superficial of observations. Such as your belief that no Hispanic could possibly want to be called white or consider themselves white because some character on Modern Family (who isn’t real) insists on not being called white. A fictional character. On a TV show.

    It’s also telling how you mentioned AR and Yahoo. I’m not surprised you’d prefer those sites considering their both festering shitholes full of autistic WNs and spamming repetitive idiots. You certainly would fit in much better over there.

    But please, feel free to continue believing that you contribute valuable thoughts.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The fact that Steve isn’t approving some of your comments may be due to the fact that you don’t really know jack crap about anything you talk about and everything you say is based on the most laughably superficial of observations."

    I know exactly what I am talking about. It is 100 percent fact if you dropped off blond haired and blue eyed Northern European American WASP Kid Rock in any Arab country he would stick out like a sore thumb.

    Whenever the news show images of Syrian and other Arab refugees pouring into Europe, how many blonds did you see among those refugees?

    Go to the poor Muslim housing projects in Paris and tell me how many blond Aryan Nordic phenotypes you see.

    If blonds were so common in Arab countries, WASP Nordic Supremacist websites like Stormfront and VNN would be pro-massive Arab immigration into Europe but they are not. The Northern Europeans in these websites often refer to Arabs as dirty Semites and dirty Sand N Words. Those do not sound like the type of racial slurs that would someone would use to describe a group that has a high percentage of blondism.
  172. @rod1963
    There were probably more terrorists than those who blew themselves up, I think the authorities are just saying that to placate the people.

    Still to pull it off required 2-3x as many people working in the background, it would all be compartmentalized so as to minimize info leaks. In short there is a existing infrastructure in place to plan and pull off these attacks. This was not the work of bozos like the Tsarnev brothers.

    Chances are there are more attacks in the pipeline between now and Christmas.

    They’re saying they used Sony P4 to communicate. Evidently as of now such communications are secure.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    They’re saying they (Muslim killers in Paris) used Sony P4 to communicate. Evidently as of now such communications are secure.
     
    P4 has a chat for players. Maybe this is what they used
    , @CK
    I think you mean the PlayStation 4, the P4 is a camera.
    The comms on a PS4 are not any more secure than any other digital comm.
  173. @Rob McX
    Homophobia is, as they say, taken. But it would be the most logical choice otherwise. Terms like egophobia don't sound right because they imply a hatred of oneself as an individual, and I don't see many people who hate their own race being short on ego. Hatred of whites by whites is often an expression of egocentricity.

    Homophobia is, as they say, taken.

    It shouldn’t matter that the term is already taken, so was the word Gay before it was repurposed.

    Think of how disorienting such a counter attack would be.

    Accuser: Your sound like a xenophobe.
    You: I don’t know about that, I don’t have a fear of others, but you clearly demonstrate yourself to be a homophobe.
    Accuser: What? I love homosexuals, why my best friend is gay. Why do you say that? . . . .

    This throws them of their moral high horse and then you take the superior position of correcting them, and explaining to them their hatred of their own society and the people of that society, those who are the same as them but not liberals.

    Besides, to a liberal being called a homophobe comes with more reputational threat than what they’re launching at you with the accusation of you having an irrational phobia about the “other.”

  174. @Jefferson
    Steve Sailer is an extreme hypocrite for criticizing Mizzou University for being pro-1st amendment for only freedom of of speech they approve of, when Steve is guilty of running his blog the same way. There is way more freedom of speech at Twitchy, American Renaissance, Taki Magazine, Stuff Black People Don't Like, and even Yahoo Answers comments section than there is here. There is even more freedom of speech at the African American discussion board Lipstick Alley despite them disagreeing with almost everything I say, but they still let me say it as long as I am not making threats to hurt anybody. I am actually surprised a discussion board run by an African American moderator would be so pro-1st amendment for speech she/he disagrees with.

    Wow white right wingers hang out on Lipstick Alley? Learn something new everyday.

  175. genophobia?

    homo-
    ethno-

  176. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    It is acknowledged that US. “allies” like Turkey and Saudi have been arming Sunni militias fighting Assad. Intermittently, the Obama administration likes to take credit for this. For example, after the training program for “moderate” rebels was discovered to be a sham, they needed to claim some success so they suggested the CIA was behind this flow of weapons. The anti-Assad militias include some Al Qaeda affiliates who we still pretend we are not arming, funding or training.

    Given that the weekend’s attacks were far closer to Al Qaeda’s usual modus operandi than they are to ISIS’, it does seem strange that nobody is asking if the Nusra Front had something to do with the Paris killings. Here, I think Ron Unz is extremely on point. Ever since we started teaming up with AQ in Syria, now they seem to be off the usual suspect list.

  177. @thinkingabout it
    There's just something profoundly ugly about these expressions of sympathy, weeping, candle light vigils, calls for peace, facebook photos in the french colors, twitter photos of the Eiffel tower-peace symbol and what not.

    They sap the resolve of a nation right when it is most needed. Instead of rolling up its sleeves and getting ready to punch back, France is navel gazing and enjoying the perks of being a victim - endless attention from others, and cooing expressions of sympathy.

    I think it is a direct result of women voting, and the increasing presence of women in the media and the public square. When something bad happens to women, they want to hold hands and emote together, instead of taking any action to ensure it doesn't happen again.

    Loathsome.

    There’s just something profoundly ugly about these expressions of sympathy, weeping, candle light vigils, calls for peace, facebook photos in the french colors, twitter photos of the Eiffel tower-peace symbol and what not. They sap the resolve of a nation right when it is most needed.
    I think it is a direct result of women voting, and the increasing presence of women in the media and the public square. When something bad happens to women, they want to hold hands and emote together, instead of taking any action to ensure it doesn’t h

    appen again.

    Bingo. Also how there is absolutely no room for the Cincinattus/Fabius Maximus sort of persona in our public sphere anymore- the crusty, uncharismatic, yet undeniably wise old man who other men reluctantly turn to because they instinctually sense there is no room for guile or self-delusion beneath his abrasive facade, and that only he can guide us to the necessary but hard truths we need. I guess the gnomic Bernie Sanders is a good example of this type of leader from the left. From the right it would be the fact we had to wait almost a decade before we could choose a Presidential nominee with Tom Tancredo’s brain, because first it had to be wrapped in Alec Baldwin’s body.

    PS: while on this anti-suffragism kick, let me get dibs on predicting the new Oscar-bait movie, SUFFRAGETTE, will get some nice circular firing squad action going soon because all its right-side-of-history, white British female main characters are, you know, white.

  178. @Desiderius

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind? It seems one is needed since this crisis was not caused by xenophobes, but rather those of the self-hating variety.
     
    Why do so many make this basic error.

    They do not hate their own kind - they do not recognize those they hate as kindred. It is why they've gone to such lengths to dehumanize us first. Guilty people are not smug.

    It's not themselves they hate. It is you and I.

    They do not hate their own kind – they do not recognize those they hate as kindred. It is why they’ve gone to such lengths to dehumanize us first. Guilty people are not smug.

    It’s not themselves they hate. It is you and I.

    If that is the case, why do some liberals refrain from having children, or minimize the number of them, so as to reduce their load on the environment etc.? It is because they see themselves as a part of the white, first world, civilization. And if they really see themselves as something separate from those they hate, why do many of them not refrain from miscegenating? Why does a Heidi Klum write herself out of the German gene pool if she thinks her own genetics truly worth preserving largely as they are? Instead she holds her actions as a badge of her own xenophilia.

    Certainly, multicultists do hate you and I, but also there is certainly a lot of self-hatred there. And that’s why the “self-hating” epithet is so effective, because deep down they know what they do and there is a little guilt, a little self-loathing which they try so very hard to squash… but try as they might, it is still there.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    "Why does a Heidi Klum write herself out of the German gene pool if she thinks her own genetics truly worth preserving largely as they are?"

    Because she puts the interest of her own genes above those of her countrymen?

    Could it be more obvious?

    "Certainly, multicultists do hate you and I, but also there is certainly a lot of self-hatred there. And that’s why the “self-hating” epithet is so effective"

    What effect do you allege that these past fifty years of employing it have had? Do the supposed "self-haters" have the whip hand or do they not?

    Do they act like they hate themselves?
  179. she said, her voice breaking. “And they met with murderers who hate this life of freedom.”

    Ah, so they hate us for our freedom! Isn’t it time for them to hire some new script writers?

  180. @Anonymous
    "Oikophobia" is not very good, because it derives from "oikos" which means house or household. It's where the "eco" in economics i.e. household management comes from.

    The conservative philosopher Roger Scruton, of course, has written extensively on what he, at least, calls Oikophobia.

    Nobody brought up in post-war England can fail to be aware of the educated derision that has been directed at our national loyalty by those whose freedom to criticise would have been extinguished years ago, had the English not been prepared to die for their country…

    No adequate word exists for this attitude, though its symptoms
    are instantly recognised: namely, the disposition, in any
    conflict, to side with ‘them’ against ‘us’, and the felt need to
    denigrate the customs, culture and institutions that are
    identifiably ‘ours’. Being the opposite of xenophobia I
    propose to call this state of mind oikophobia, by which I
    mean (stretching the Greek a little) the repudiation of
    inheritance and home. Oikophobia is a stage through which
    the adolescent mind normally passes. But it is a stage in
    which some people—intellectuals especially—tend to
    become arrested. As George Orwell pointed out, intellectu-
    als on the Left are especially prone to it, and this has often
    made them willing agents of foreign powers.
    4
    The Cambridge spies offer a telling illustration of what oikophobia
    has meant for our country. And it is interesting to note that
    a recent BBC ‘docudrama’ constructed around that deplor-
    able episode neither examined the realities of their treason
    nor addressed the suffering of the millions of their East
    European victims, but merely endorsed the oikophobia that
    had caused the spies to act as they did.

    http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/cs49-8.pdf

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    become arrested. As George Orwell pointed out, intellectu-
    als on the Left are especially prone to it, and this has often
    made them willing agents of foreign powers.
     
    Is this because intellectuals are often rather nerdy, and as defenseless children they're are often treated unkindly by their own people, whom they in turn learn to despise?
  181. steve, what’s your opinion on Milo Yianopoluous?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos

  182. @ben tillman

    “Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?”

    The word you’re looking for is: Liberal
     
    That's good.

    I'm going to throw out "hijacked White body".

    I’m going to throw out “hijacked White body”.

    I second this! HWB, I like it! Those sperging out on the most etymologically correct coinage, or thinking they can be too clever by half and appropriate the left’s own terminology (“homophobe”) fail to realize in marketing you need to be short, quick, unconfusing, AND also not directly confrontational or unpleasant. That’s why “social justice warrior” is so great- it gets around lefties first line of defense by not being overtly hostile- its power is through the rather dryly ironic use of “warrior” to ridicule and belittle people who are going to change the world not by going out in the street and demonstrating, like their beloved 60’s counterculture forebears, but through one desultory re-tweet and Facebook-like at a time.

    Also, “hijacked White body” very nicely uses the “black body” meme to springboard itself into greater public awareness. We have a winner!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I like you're reasoning, but I don't get how Hijacked White Body means hating your own kind. I find it a little confusing. Can you explain it or give examples of how it would be used?

    I agree with everything you say about "social justice warrior". Any idea who came up with that term?
  183. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    For the sake of argument, let’s assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims…

    Mr. Unz,

    I understand the overall argument you are making, and it even has some merit, but still, with all due respect, I’m pretty sure it’s basically a dead end. You’re assuming something that everybody with a grain of sense knows to be false, I.e. that the MSM version of what is going on is true.

    Or, stepping back from this specific case, can you name one “Deep Event” of the last, oh, hundred years or so, in which the official MSM version of events was truthful?

  184. And what is the clever neologism for people who are taken in by every false flag?

    How about “stupid”?

    • Replies: @SFG
    Not every operation is a false flag.

    Steve (if you're still reading this), can you maybe give your readers an introduction to the concepts of sensitivity and specificity, and the tradeoffs between them? It applies to rape accusations (fewer false negatives usually means false positives, so affirmative consent means more men get thrown out of college for fake reasons), conspiracies (the more conspiracies you catch by being paranoid, the more fake ones you'll believe in), and even stereotypes (claiming you want to avoid false positives by not believing in any stereotypes also means you get no true positives, i.e. true inferences about group behavior). It even applies to your statements about the Gap and how the only way to have a test with no differences in racial results is to pass or fail everyone.

    Given how your stuff seems to mysteriously appear in the MSM several weeks later, you might get some real statistical acumen into the public. Small progress, I know, but I think if more people are able to think using these concepts they might be a little better at Noticing.

    , @Clyde

    And what is the clever neologism for people who are taken in by every false flag?
    How about “stupid”?
     
    Blame Ron Paul's 2008 run in the Republican presidential primaries and his young Paulistas. They popularized the term. Amazingly enough the Paulista push for marijuana legalization goes hand in hand with the sharp rise in their sightings of "false flag" operations. The Mossad tops their list of entities behind false flag operations.
  185. @Anonymous
    Anti-Japhetism, of course.

    Well done.

  186. @Jefferson
    A black haired Mediterranean looking French guy who was interviewed by Fox News claims that one of the Islamic mass shooters in Paris had lighter hair than him, saying that he was blond. So at least one of the Muslim mass shooters was not Arab, but European. I have never seen an adult over the age of 18 Arab male with the same hair color as Owen Wilson, or Jeff Daniels, or Paul Walker, or Brock Lesnar. So that terrorist had to be a European who converted to Islam.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    Plenty of Syrians and Lebanese are blond or have complexions that would easily pass for native Northern European.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Thank God for all that White slavery
  187. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    Perhaps both are right. Maybe the West is stuck in a fog of bureacracy.
    The War Nerd described western strategy in Syria as:

    “Hit Sunni targets east of the coastal hills, but ignore everything to the west; help the Kurds in the north, but grudgingly, as little as possible, for fear you’ll offend Turkey; and while you’re attacking Assad’s enemies, keep reassuring the Israelis that you’re just as anti-Assad as you are anti-Islamic State.”

    and

    The crazy US policy of ignoring Sunni militias in the west made for some fat, soft targets. No wonder the Russian air force jumped at the chance to intervene. They must’ve spent months drooling over drone and satellite photos from the west, between Homs and Aleppo—targets totally untouched by the USAF.
    Until the Russians jumped in, Sunni militias in the west only had to deal with the incompetents in Assad’s rump of an air force. Those guys aren’t good for anything but dropping barrel bombs on crowded tenement neighborhoods; any decently dug-in troops could laugh at their attacks.
    Then the Russians decided it was time to show, Gulf War style, that they had some fancy shock-and-awe munitions of their own. These belated colonial wars are, among other things, great sales videos for arms exporters like the US and Russia.

    Source http://archive.is/E1Sv0

    Also Ron you try and lure John Dolan to unz, he’d be a great addition

    • Replies: @Romanian

    Also Ron you try and lure John Dolan to unz, he’d be a great addition
     
    But not as John Dolan, I don't like him that much... as Gary Brecher, the WAR NERD!!!!
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Also Ron you try and lure John Dolan to unz, he’d be a great addition

     

    I hope you don't mean John Terry Dolan, the direct mail wizard who founded NCPAC. He led a double life and died from "complications from AIDS" in 1986.
  188. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    Perhaps both are right. Maybe the West is stuck in a fog of bureacracy.
    The War Nerd described western strategy in Syria as:

    “Hit Sunni targets east of the coastal hills, but ignore everything to the west; help the Kurds in the north, but grudgingly, as little as possible, for fear you’ll offend Turkey; and while you’re attacking Assad’s enemies, keep reassuring the Israelis that you’re just as anti-Assad as you are anti-Islamic State.”

    and

    The crazy US policy of ignoring Sunni militias in the west made for some fat, soft targets. No wonder the Russian air force jumped at the chance to intervene. They must’ve spent months drooling over drone and satellite photos from the west, between Homs and Aleppo—targets totally untouched by the USAF.
    Until the Russians jumped in, Sunni militias in the west only had to deal with the incompetents in Assad’s rump of an air force. Those guys aren’t good for anything but dropping barrel bombs on crowded tenement neighborhoods; any decently dug-in troops could laugh at their attacks.
    Then the Russians decided it was time to show, Gulf War style, that they had some fancy shock-and-awe munitions of their own. These belated colonial wars are, among other things, great sales videos for arms exporters like the US and Russia.

    Source http://archive.is/E1Sv0

    Also Ron you try and lure John Dolan to unz, he’d be a great addition

  189. @Anonymous
    Chechens are frequently blond.

    “Chechens are frequently blond.”

    Chechens are not Arabs. Hence why you don’t see any Chechens who look like Osama Bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Circassia, former home of the stereotypically beautiful slave girls and odalisques of the Ottoman Empire, is in the North Caucasus. The Circassian beauty stereotype was still selling soap in the US a hundred years ago. I've seen a few and they deserve their reputations. Their displacement and disappearance from the world stage should be a lesson for the Swedes.
    , @Hunsdon
    Jesus, Jefferson, it's like you just can't stop yourself. "Chechens are not Arabs. Hence why you don't see any Chechens who look like Osama bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad." Ahmadinejad isn't an Arab, Jefferson, he's Persian, Iranian.
  190. @Mark Eugenikos
    As others have said, you should get out more (no offense). Your Arab cab drivers aren't likely to be from the top layer of society in their home countries, so they are less likely to be light haired/skinned. I have met Arabs (mostly Syrians and Iraqis) with light hair and eyes.

    When I was a student at a large Midwestern university, there was a Syrian prof with ruddy complexion, strawberry blond hair and green eyes. He could have passed for a German or a Pole. Bass player for Acrassicauda (Iraqi heavy metal band) has blue eyes and dishwater blond hair, and can pass for James Hetfield's (Metallica) cousin. Bashar Al-Assad has blue eyes, and his wife Asma looks more French than Nicolas Sarkozy's wife. Queen Rania of Jordan would look at home anywhere from Spain to Greece.

    Of course there are many dark Arabs, but among the Levantines especially you're going to find a surprisingly large number of surprisingly pale people.

    “As others have said, you should get out more (no offense). Your Arab cab drivers aren’t likely to be from the top layer of society in their home countries, so they are less likely to be light haired/skinned.”

    I do get out a lot. I often go to Arab restaurants to eat shawarma and falafel and none of the owners are ever blond like Daniel Craig from the 007 films.

    “Of course there are many dark Arabs, but among the Levantines especially you’re going to find a surprisingly large number of surprisingly pale people”

    I am not talking about pale skin, I am talking about blond hair. Pale skin means nothing as I have seen many East Asians with ghostly pale skin, especially among the Japanese.

    Pale skin alone does not make a person Nordic.

  191. Microaggression alert:

    Newsday’s Nkem Ifejika is in Poland and attended the Independence Day march in Warsaw. As far as he could tell he was the only person of colour in a crowd of thousands.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p037xtsd

  192. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    How long before Philip Giraldi blames Israel for this, Ron?

    • Agree: GW
    • Replies: @SFG
    Funny and true, but:

    I've heard some fairly reasonable arguments Israel likes ISIS (in an enemy-of-my-enemies way) because they keep Israel's other enemies in check.

    That said, no, this is really not the kind of thing Mossad would pull. First of all, as above, if ISIS is distracting Israel's enemies, this will force the West to actually attack ISIS, and ISIS isn't actually strong enough to resist a concerted attack. Totally counterproductive.

    Second of all, I doubt Mossad would run a 'false flag' in a Western city like that--risk of getting caught and turning the whole EU against them is too huge.
    , @Clyde

    How long before Philip Giraldi blames Israel for this, Ron?
     
    He won't but his commenters will. Just between you and me, his most rabid minyan are on the Likud Party payroll. It is a most devious form of hasbara where anti-Zionism is being discredited by the deranged posts of Giraldi's over the top anti-Zionistas. Even StormFront members are turned off by them.
  193. “As others have said, you should get out more (no offense). Your Arab cab drivers aren’t likely to be from the top layer of society in their home countries, so they are less likely to be light haired/skinned. I have met Arabs (mostly Syrians and Iraqis) with light hair and eyes.”

    Even Arabs who financially belong the top 1 percent are still dark just like their poorer Arab sisters and brothers.

    Check the Forbes list of richest Arab billionaires in the world and you will not a single blond among them. There is nothing blond about Carlos Slim and there is nothing blond about the Arab Sheik families who control and own all of the oil in The Middle East.

    You will not see a Blondtopia in Dubai which is the playground for the wealthiest Arabs in the world.

  194. @CuiPertinebit
    The Greek word for "yourself" is σεαυτοῦ (seautú, seaftú in the Biblical/Modern pronunciation) (Ancient Greek has only genitive, dative and accusative forms; Modern Greek has a nominative). This is the combination of σύ (sý, you) and αυτοῦ (autú), meaning "self, same, very thing," etc. That is why "auto" is used as a prefix for "self" in many words - "automobile" = "self moving," "autonomy" = self-governance, etc.).

    In English we sometimes use "you" in a generic sense, whereas in Greek it is specifically "you." They would use εαυτου more properly for "one's own, one's self, something/things belonging to one," in a generic sense. So, "eautophobia" would mean "fear of one's own, fear of one's own self." "Miseautonist" could be "one who loathes or despises his own self." "Miseautoëconist," or "miseautogenist," or "miseautoethnist" could mean "hater of one's own household/ancestry/nationality," in that order.

    However none of those propositions sound as good as xenophobe. They are long and sound like medical description of illness (and in fact they may be).

    Meanwhile xenophobe is short, precise and has this sexy, modern, spacey-age “x”. You can shout it as a curse at your adversaries during demonstrations.

    One way to cope with this is to take an example from gays and re-appropriate “xenophobe”:)

    Wear it proudly, make it a badge of honor and common sense. Say to the shocked people: “I’am a xeno! And don’t you dare judge me you bourgeoise miseautogenist!”

    • Replies: @TangoMan
    miseautogenist

    Congratulations. I googled this term to see if anyone else had used it and the only hit was to this thread.
  195. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @thinkingabout it
    There's just something profoundly ugly about these expressions of sympathy, weeping, candle light vigils, calls for peace, facebook photos in the french colors, twitter photos of the Eiffel tower-peace symbol and what not.

    They sap the resolve of a nation right when it is most needed. Instead of rolling up its sleeves and getting ready to punch back, France is navel gazing and enjoying the perks of being a victim - endless attention from others, and cooing expressions of sympathy.

    I think it is a direct result of women voting, and the increasing presence of women in the media and the public square. When something bad happens to women, they want to hold hands and emote together, instead of taking any action to ensure it doesn't happen again.

    Loathsome.

    I think it is a direct result of women voting, and the increasing presence of women in the media and the public square. When something bad happens to women, they want to hold hands and emote together, instead of taking any action to ensure it doesn’t happen again.

    Yeah, having grown up with a liberal feminist mother, it took me a long time to accept this fact. While I love women, they have naive, liberal impulse which becomes self-destructive in the macro world. Women can be very passionate about a course of action, but these same women will not watch a brutal video showing the reality of the situation. Or they do it is through a highly emotional state.

  196. @WR
    So predictable. NPR worries about backlash against Muslims...

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/14/456056630/in-paris-some-mourners-worry-about-backlash-against-muslims

    Yes, first the backlash stories, now MSM just needs an ‘I’ll ride with Aisha” type story of some brave liberal defending muslims against cisgender white male christian fanatics.

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    "Yes, first the backlash stories, now MSM just needs an ‘I’ll ride with Aisha” type story of some brave liberal defending muslims against cisgender white male christian fanatics."

    how about Aisha ride with white english girls raped or forced into proposition?
  197. @Erik Sieven
    when Syrians would show some signs of being racist against blacks?

    “when Syrians would show some signs of being racist against blacks?”

    Some Mexican gang bangers are racist against Blacks, but Hussein Obama still wants to swamp America with as many Mexicans as possible.

    Syrians are not a European ethnic group and most of them are Muslims and not Christians, so they will get a pass from Hussein Obama if some Syrians behave racist towards African Americans.

  198. @Bill Jones
    An excellent piece on the White Death:

    http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/11/13/the-bitter-crushing-poverty-of-appalachia-is-a-preview-of-what-is-coming-to-the-rest-of-the-country/
  199. If the French guy is not lying and is telling the truth that one of the terrorists had blond hair, I am still 100 percent leaning towards him being a European convert to Islam and not an Arab. It is not unheard of for White Europeans to convert to Islam and join a terrorist organization.

    There is a ginger haired and blue eyed Danish man named Morten Storm who used to be a member of Al Qaeda but he got out before he could commit a terrorist attack. He often appears on Fox News and has said that Al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups are always on the look out for European recruits who do not have a Middle Eastern appearance because they want more terrorists who can racially blend in phenotype wise with the White Western Infidels, that way they won’t see it coming when they are attacked. He said Al Qaeda saw his Scandinavian phenotype as a major asset because he does not racially resemble any of those dark swarthy Arab terrorists who committed the 9/11 attacks. People do not associate his phenotype with Islamic terrorism and hence less likely to be racially profiled at airports and other public places.

    It reminds me of how the NAACP would send their least Negro phenotype member Walter Francis White to the South during the height of Jim Crow segregation to interview people in Whites only establishments as well as interview the KKK.

    White/Whitish looking phenotypes in the Black civil rights movement/NAACP were an asset the same way a Morten Storm would be an asset to Islamic terrorist groups.

  200. Country music artist Trace Adkins praised Donald Trump, saying he would like to see a businessman in The White House.

    I wonder how popular Donald Trump is among voters who listen to Country music and or like NASCAR? My prediction is he would fare better among that demographic than Jeb Bush would.

  201. Off-topic, I checked these maps before the creation of Saudi Arabia as we knew today. http://www.geocurrents.info/geopolitics/myth-nation-state/forgotten-modern-kingdoms-of-the-arabian-peninsula-part-1 and Martin W. Lewis posted a interesting point then I found worth to quote:
    “If the Rashīdis of Haʾil or the Hashemites of Hejaz had prevailed over the House of Saud, world history would probably have taken a markedly different course from the one that led to the world of today.”

    An interesting “what if?” to ponder.

  202. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill B.
    The conservative philosopher Roger Scruton, of course, has written extensively on what he, at least, calls Oikophobia.

    Nobody brought up in post-war England can fail to be aware of the educated derision that has been directed at our national loyalty by those whose freedom to criticise would have been extinguished years ago, had the English not been prepared to die for their country...

    No adequate word exists for this attitude, though its symptoms
    are instantly recognised: namely, the disposition, in any
    conflict, to side with ‘them’ against ‘us’, and the felt need to
    denigrate the customs, culture and institutions that are
    identifiably ‘ours’. Being the opposite of xenophobia I
    propose to call this state of mind oikophobia, by which I
    mean (stretching the Greek a little) the repudiation of
    inheritance and home. Oikophobia is a stage through which
    the adolescent mind normally passes. But it is a stage in
    which some people—intellectuals especially—tend to
    become arrested. As George Orwell pointed out, intellectu-
    als on the Left are especially prone to it, and this has often
    made them willing agents of foreign powers.
    4
    The Cambridge spies offer a telling illustration of what oikophobia
    has meant for our country. And it is interesting to note that
    a recent BBC ‘docudrama’ constructed around that deplor-
    able episode neither examined the realities of their treason
    nor addressed the suffering of the millions of their East
    European victims, but merely endorsed the oikophobia that
    had caused the spies to act as they did.

    http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/cs49-8.pdf

    become arrested. As George Orwell pointed out, intellectu-
    als on the Left are especially prone to it, and this has often
    made them willing agents of foreign powers.

    Is this because intellectuals are often rather nerdy, and as defenseless children they’re are often treated unkindly by their own people, whom they in turn learn to despise?

  203. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    Ron,

    Spot on! As a retired military officer who spent a decade in the Middle East with an active role in Desert Storm, I’m very familiar with the desert wastes where Daesh thrives. I’m asking myself, Where does Daesh gets its money, food, water, munitions, weapons, vehicles, and communications gear for extended military operations (they have a world-class and very well-rounded logistical tail). Where do they get their impressive military, technical, and logistical expertise? Who provided Daesh with hundreds of Toyota Hilux pickup trucks essential for desert mobility? Who is providing the expertise and the logistics associated with advanced American oil extraction equipment that Daesh is using to pump and sell $50 million of oil a day from captured Syrian wells? More perplexing, where is Daesh selling the oil … who is providing it with markets and laundering the proceeds?

    The countries surrounding Daesh’s desert enclaves are Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, and Syria. The logistical “leaks” allowing Daesh to survive and thrive in these wastes have to be located in one or more of these countries with the full knowledge of the authorities (and Western intelligence agencies). The easiest and quickest way to destroy Daesh is to cut its logistical tail. That this hasn’t already been done is the most perplexing question of them all.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Right. "Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics." Attributed to Napolean.

    The MSM has been studiously uninterested in finding out where ISIS is getting its "stuff". Modern warfare, even at the ISIS level, requires lots of water, food, bullets, etc., Every Damn Day. Where are they getting this stuff?

    2) Why haven't the thousands of sorties we have flown managed to interdict much if any of their logistical tail? There is nowhere easier than the desert to find and kill the bad guys. Blue skies and nowhere to hide.
  204. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe

    I’m going to throw out “hijacked White body”.
     
    I second this! HWB, I like it! Those sperging out on the most etymologically correct coinage, or thinking they can be too clever by half and appropriate the left's own terminology ("homophobe") fail to realize in marketing you need to be short, quick, unconfusing, AND also not directly confrontational or unpleasant. That's why "social justice warrior" is so great- it gets around lefties first line of defense by not being overtly hostile- its power is through the rather dryly ironic use of "warrior" to ridicule and belittle people who are going to change the world not by going out in the street and demonstrating, like their beloved 60's counterculture forebears, but through one desultory re-tweet and Facebook-like at a time.

    Also, "hijacked White body" very nicely uses the "black body" meme to springboard itself into greater public awareness. We have a winner!

    I like you’re reasoning, but I don’t get how Hijacked White Body means hating your own kind. I find it a little confusing. Can you explain it or give examples of how it would be used?

    I agree with everything you say about “social justice warrior”. Any idea who came up with that term?

    • Replies: @Abe

    I don’t get how Hijacked White Body means hating your own kind. I find it a little confusing. Can you explain it or give examples of how it would be used?
     
    Because the behavior of the typical anti-white White liberal is so beyond the keen of prudence, reason, or even basic biological self-preservation that it's as if a demon controlled them. The self-abuse the possessed Linda Blair character had inflicted on her in THE EXORCIST is nothing compared to the real-life Amy Biehls of the world (naive little white girl, knifed in a black township in 90's South Africa, parents set up a foundation to for the friends, relatives, and neighbors of her killers).

    As Lawrence Auster once said, modern liberal Western society is an abattoir for naive young white women.

    "social justice warrior”. Any idea who came up with that term?
     
    Think it was on 4chan, but I may be wrong.
    , @ben tillman

    I like you’re reasoning, but I don’t get how Hijacked White Body means hating your own kind. I find it a little confusing. Can you explain it or give examples of how it would be used?
     
    The body of an anti-white white person is hijacked in that it has been redirected (through indoctrination and other influence) to pursuing the interests of other racial/ethnic groups. We see a white face, but the agent isn't rally a white person. The body has been hijacked.

    The idea comes from George C. Williams observation:

    “As a general rule, a modern biologist seeing an animal doing something to benefit another assumes either that it is being manipulated by the other individual or that it is being subtly selfish.”

    And:

    "Natural selection normally makes animals behave in their own selfish interests. Even when it favours altruistic behaviour, it is only in the interests of some broader form of selfishness. However, parasites may exploit their hosts, forcing them to behave in ways which do not benefit the hosts (or their genetic relatives)." (Alan Clamp and Julia Russell, Comparative Psychology, Hodder & Stoughton, 1998, p. 29).

    And I read the “broader form of selfishness” as referring to selfishness at a different level of organization (cf. David Sloan Wilson). Falling on a grenade is personally unselfish, but it advances the interest of the group you’re part of and the interests of the genetic structures that you share with fellow members of your group.

    And I read the “broader form of selfishness” as referring to selfishness at a different level of organization (cf. David Sloan Wilson). Falling on a grenade is personally unselfish, but it advances the interest of the group you’re part of and the interests of the genetic structures that you share with fellow members of your group.

  205. @Rob McX
    Homophobia is, as they say, taken. But it would be the most logical choice otherwise. Terms like egophobia don't sound right because they imply a hatred of oneself as an individual, and I don't see many people who hate their own race being short on ego. Hatred of whites by whites is often an expression of egocentricity.

    Terms like egophobia don’t sound right …

    …because they barbarically (literally!) tack Latin onto Greek. As a Brit said of television in the 1920s, bah! Half-Latin, half-Greek; nothing good can come of it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Ego" is "I" in Greek too (epsilon-gamma-omega).
    , @International Jew
    Ego is 'I' in Greek too.

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/εγώ
  206. @Jefferson
    I am tired of Steve constantly censoring my posts when I am not anymore controversial than anybody else here. He gives the green light to comments like it the Jewish Israeli Mossad who committed the Paris attacks and not ISIS Muslims. Yet saying blondism is rare among Arabs is somehow considered more controversial and offensive when it is 100 percent fact. No country has ever gotten blonder from accepting large numbers of Arab immigrants. All of those Lebanese immigrants did not help turn Mexico into a Nordic Blondtopia paradise judging by the black hair of Mexico's two most famous citizens of Lebanese descent Salma Hayek and Carlos Slim. Nobody would ever mistake them for Norwegians.

    I am tired of Steve constantly censoring my posts when I am not anymore controversial than anybody else here.

    I’m tired of it too, and I know exactly how you feel. Sometimes my comments simply disappear, or they are sitting around in the moderation queue for hours while other ranting and substance-less posts are given a pass. This isn’t right.

    I admit that I’ve never donated any money directly to iSteve, but I have given several hundred dollars to VDARE over the years because I think they do important work, and as I understand it they also assist Steve Sailer. So some of my material support has at least indirectly made it to Steve.

    Presumably bloggers think that having a comments section is a good thing, insofar as the comments add invaluable content to help leverage their own work while also building up a community of like-minded, emotionally invested people, and they do it all pro bono. Bloggers are also constantly exhorting us to “hit the tip jar.”

    Well I have. I have hit the tip jar. I am a working man without a lot of money or time to spare. If I’m going to spend 20 minutes to an hour composing a post, I would at least like it to be seen. The message I’m getting is that my time and money simply aren’t wanted here. Okay then.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    I understand your frustration. However without getting into a discussion of the merits of various posts it seems to be vital that comments be proactively vetted.

    Free posting easily degenerates into petty squabbles that amuse only the participants or the freedom acts as a magnate for elaborate conspiracy theories. Discussions are also killed by drive-by naysayers and excessive abusive.

    It seems likely that in the course of attempting to keep discussions lively and smart Steve will end up inflicting colateral damage on posts that in themselves are possibly quite alright. Given his time contraints he will inevitably be making snap decisions.

    The quality of the comments on iSteve is generally high but nevertheless variable and I would rather some of my comments not make it across the road than see the quality decline. Time for reading is limited.

    My suggestion would be that anyone who has spent time constructing a comment keep a copy so that it can be posted elsewhere if it doesn't get through.
    , @Elites
    Compose your post in a word processor or better yet, a plain text file. When you have it perfect :) copy and paste into Steve's comment box and publish. If you dally to long in the comment box, your post may get lost. My $.002
    , @Olorin
    With all due respect, it is, after all, Mr. Sailer's blog. Not our vanity press.
    , @Anonymous
    Give Steve a break. He more or less approves anything as long as it's written tactfully enough. Also, obviously he can just skim and approve many short comments before reading through all the long winded ones. He's not a machine.
  207. @Jim Don Bob
    As Herbert Stein once said, "What can't go on forever, won't."

    Just wait until these jihadis shoot up a couple of shopping malls on Black Friday. Easy to do, and ISIS (or whoever) doesn't need suicide guys to do it. I am surprised they have not done it already.

    A lot of people are gonna die before this is over, and I may be one of them. ...

    If your name is really ‘Jim Don Bob’, or it’s representative of your Southernness, I don’t think you have much to worry about.

    First of all, these people don’t even know most southern cities exist. I doubt anyone outside the USA knows where Atlanta or Charlotte is. They’ve probably heard of Texas, but see below.

    Also, as Chris Mallory says, Americans have guns in most places. Some part of me really, really wants to see them try this in Texas. (The other part of me knows they’d probably get a few Texans before they went down.)

    • Replies: @27 year old
    Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez managed to find Chattanooga, although the FBI is for some reason not releasing his motive, so we can't be sure this was islamic terrorism
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Jim Don Bob is just the first thing I could think of for a handle. I am not a Southerner but lived in, and admired, Texas for eight years. I now live near the Capital of the Great Satan, which will probably be the first or second choice for a jihadi nuke. I might survive if the yield is 20kt or less, but it's gonna mess up the value of my house big time.

    The jihadis did try this in Texas back in May when Pamela Gellar (http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/texas-shooting-who-is-pamela-geller/) had some shindig. They lost, because, as you pointed out, at least every other person in the South is packing. Which is fine with me.
    , @Danindc
    They did at that Koran burning or die thing like that. The terrorists were all shot to death before the left the parking lot. Lol
    , @Jim
    Don't mess with the Waco police department.
  208. @Perspective
    Salon has already, predictably, published an article saying the blame lies with "us".

    “Salon has already, predictably, published an article saying the blame lies with “us”.”

    If it was Syrians then the blame certainly lies with Hollande for his illegal bombing of Damascus.

  209. @International Jew
    How long before Philip Giraldi blames Israel for this, Ron?

    Funny and true, but:

    I’ve heard some fairly reasonable arguments Israel likes ISIS (in an enemy-of-my-enemies way) because they keep Israel’s other enemies in check.

    That said, no, this is really not the kind of thing Mossad would pull. First of all, as above, if ISIS is distracting Israel’s enemies, this will force the West to actually attack ISIS, and ISIS isn’t actually strong enough to resist a concerted attack. Totally counterproductive.

    Second of all, I doubt Mossad would run a ‘false flag’ in a Western city like that–risk of getting caught and turning the whole EU against them is too huge.

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    a"Second of all, I doubt Mossad would run a ‘false flag’
    see the lavin affair

    b. "That said, no, this is really not the kind of thing Mossad would pull"
    hezzbollah was funded by Israel to disrupt hamas (or visa versa, i forget)
  210. @Jonathan Revusky
    And what is the clever neologism for people who are taken in by every false flag?

    How about "stupid"?

    Not every operation is a false flag.

    Steve (if you’re still reading this), can you maybe give your readers an introduction to the concepts of sensitivity and specificity, and the tradeoffs between them? It applies to rape accusations (fewer false negatives usually means false positives, so affirmative consent means more men get thrown out of college for fake reasons), conspiracies (the more conspiracies you catch by being paranoid, the more fake ones you’ll believe in), and even stereotypes (claiming you want to avoid false positives by not believing in any stereotypes also means you get no true positives, i.e. true inferences about group behavior). It even applies to your statements about the Gap and how the only way to have a test with no differences in racial results is to pass or fail everyone.

    Given how your stuff seems to mysteriously appear in the MSM several weeks later, you might get some real statistical acumen into the public. Small progress, I know, but I think if more people are able to think using these concepts they might be a little better at Noticing.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    Not every operation is a false flag
     
    Maybe not. Couple of questions, if you will...

    First of all, are you conceding in the above statement that some of the operations are indeed false flags? Yes? No? If the answer is yes, which ones?

    And could you tell us which is the highest profile "Islamist" terror attack that you are confident was not a false flag?
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Not every operation is a false flag."

    To the "false-flag" crowd, everything is a false-flag. And you and I and everyone who does not share their delusions are all in on it. These are people who seemingly derive their world view from comic-books.
  211. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Fans of Narrative Collapse would’ve enjoyed the 8 o’clock hour of the NBC Today Show this morning: Before he introduced a taped bit from their “Season of Kindness” mini-series (about a Los Angeles Kickstarter woman with a Greek surname who’s doing some resettlement-racket jazz out on Kos) Harry Smith awkwardly babbled half-apologetically about how they’d already prepped & produced it before Friday’s events; whereas now according to a German minister’s evaluation of things the “Syrian” “refugees” are *even worse off* so please excuse us if the treacly music & voice-over bathos in this PR segment we already paid for are not precisely calibrated to reflect the newly imminent backlash. “We didn’t know anything about the frontlash yet when we edited this,” in other words.

    All in all quite a blubberfest, not just as a piece de resistance of unforced cowardice but also for its self-defeating don’t-think-of-an-elephant tenor, which likely only primed or inflamed more of NBC’s audience to irritation instead of sympathy. From early signs of media groveling, regardless of which way popular opinion swings, I’d count on the Legion of Amnesty’s journalistic arm to react with absolute shamelessness over the next few days. Never let a crisis go to waste, etc.

  212. @Jack Strocchi
    SteSai said:


    As Mao said, “The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.”
     


    That quote flashed through my mind as reports started to come in suggesting that the attackers had a degree of co-ordination and local knowledge which implied somewhat deep roots in the area. Certainly more than the standard "lone wolf" excuse suggests.

    This attack is a textbook example of the blowback from the Neo-Con/Neo-Lib "invade-the-world/invite-the-world" doctrine, which Steve used to neatly encapsulate the unforced errors behind the Clash of Civilizations.

    Invade the World: The attack was provoked by the French governments gratuitous military intervention against ISIS forces in the Middle East.

    Invite the World: The attackers were home-grown terrorists and refugees drawn into France by EU elites guest-labouring immigration and diversity-celebrating incubation policies.

    These policies are often portrayed as moral imperatives. Certainly many well-intentioned people support them. But the modern warfare and welfare state is not a "stairway to heaven". It is a compulsory insurance company. As such, company policy should emphasise risk management and reducing civil liability. Many immigrants from Africa and Arabia are poor risks. And recent invasions of those areas seem to be the "graveyard of statesmens dreams".

    To promote civil peace the EU should pursue a policy of moratorium towards Africa and Arabia. Just Disconnect. For the time being, no more grand military adventures outwards and no more large migrant movement inwards.

    Because, truth be told, the history of the past 1400 years suggests that European and sub-Mediterranean peoples are "just not that into" each other.

    I disagree completely with your view. Perhaps you can explain all the Islamic murderous rampages all over the world since 1981:

    List of Islamist terrorist attacks

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
    Kenya, Nigeria, Mali, the Philippines, China, …what did those people do to deserve their fate?

    In the meantime, Islamic terrorists f*** with us while we pretend western powers meekly accede and view the slaughter of Christians and Yazidis and other innocents in a far away distant drug ladened stupor.

  213. This was a anti Islam protest in Paris following the slaughter of Parisians. The Parisians mock the protesters and cheer when a protester is arrested

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5xHCa3PkU&feature=youtu.be

    Europe is weak, aging rapidly and unstable. They are in the early stages of their own demise. They can not even get together a solve their financial crisis nor the brazenness of the Russians.

    The people of France should not delivering flowers and lighting candles. They should be lining up to purchase weapons.

    We are past the point where this can be resolved by “locking up” any one.

    These people are capable of almost anything. They are not constrained. They have no rules of engagement. They have their our own way of dealing with enemy combatants. They have told you that their goal is to destroy you, along with everyone else in the West and every Muslim who refuses to accept their version of Islam.

    This will get worse than you could ever imagine.

    Hollande now: ‘We are going to lead a war which will be pitiless,’”
    Hollande January 2015: “French Premier Declares ‘War’ on Radical Islam

    Enough said.

  214. @Jefferson
    I am tired of Steve constantly censoring my posts when I am not anymore controversial than anybody else here. He gives the green light to comments like it the Jewish Israeli Mossad who committed the Paris attacks and not ISIS Muslims. Yet saying blondism is rare among Arabs is somehow considered more controversial and offensive when it is 100 percent fact. No country has ever gotten blonder from accepting large numbers of Arab immigrants. All of those Lebanese immigrants did not help turn Mexico into a Nordic Blondtopia paradise judging by the black hair of Mexico's two most famous citizens of Lebanese descent Salma Hayek and Carlos Slim. Nobody would ever mistake them for Norwegians.

    Chill out about blond Arabs, dude. You sound obsessed. Besides, the guy interviewed did not specify blond hair, just “light” hair which could mean light brown or mouse-colored too.

    There are lots of Syrians, Lebanese, Moroccans, Palestinians with light brown hair. There is a slim possibility the terrorist is a convert. He could also be half Arab. A guy from my hometown joined a terrorist group in Africa. He was half Syrian, his mother was white American.

  215. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Demon for Truth
    Oh, come on. You seem to have caught Liberal Academic Disease, whose main symptom is an unmanageable urge to find infinite questions and infinite possible answers to each, and chew them like a cow with its cud. Stand up to the Muslim psychopaths and really mean it. You'll be amazed at the way the questions answer themselves.

    Yeah, OK. How do we kill roughly the right proportion of roughly the correct Muslim sect while not empowering one or more of the equally batshit neighborhood Muslim factions (who aren’t even all Arab!) to proclaim suzerainty over the smoking wreckage? Check with Richie Lowry about the “nuke Mecca” thought experiment from 2001. Is it likely to be considered a success if we’re just providing sustained target practice for Kurdish and Israeli forces — because Allah knows, no U.S./E.U./NATO three-cups-of-tea social-worker solider could ever be justified in actually raising a hand against a downtrodden jihad boy, even when the latter’s driving a Pentagon-provided MRAP right at you and screaming the finest Q’u’ranic poetry out the window, between vibrant bursts of green-on-blue gunfire.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  216. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    1. Never take what a Russian leader tells you at face value. Whether a statement serves their goals is far more important than whether it is true or not. If what a Russian tells you happens to be true, it’s just a coincidence.

    2. Russia has NOT been fighting ISIS in Syria. They give lip service (see #1) to fighting ISIS but most of their raids have been against other factions. Their goal is to keep Assad in power – they could care less about ISIS per se.

    3. Until the raid on Pearl Harbor, the Japanese had not attacked the West, then they did. It wasn’t because we were arming them up until that point.

    4. It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.

    • Replies: @CK
    1) Replace Russian leader with "any politician." Still a truism. Welcome to Captain Obvious.
    2) Ahyup, the Russians are engaging with the folks that want Assad gone. All of them. That is what they were asked to do. Take the closest one out first then the farther away ones and then the farthest away ones. My suspicion is that the sponsors ISIS, ISIL, Daesh whatever understand that their investment is circling the drain and that they are trying mightily to divert the inevitable. They claim to destroy a Soviet airliner, blow up some suicide bombs in Beirut and Baghdad, pluck some low hanging fruit in Paris; all failed attempts to misdirect the inevitable. When certain proofs of Tel Aviv and/or Langley and/or Riyadh and/or Doha being the financiers and directors of this melange of evil proper punishments shall be prescribed ( as always ) by the victors.
    3) In 1918 the Japanese and the Americans invaded Russia ( along with Perfidious Albion and France and Austria and others ). The Russians probably teach that in their History courses. The Japanese stayed until 1925. But before that the Japanese had not issued a surprise attack on Russia since 02/08/1904. We were arming Japan before we stopped arming Japan.
    4) To work with others to achieve a private, future goal is easy; if you all agree on the goal. Examining the aftermath of the goal's achievement is less easy and fraught with name calling.
    , @Jefferson
    " Russia has NOT been fighting ISIS in Syria."

    Even the Kurds have murdered more ISIS members than the Russian military. They are suppose to be one of most powerful military nations on the planet, yet the Russian military sure are behaving like paper tigers regarding ISIS.

    The Russians only act tough when they bully other White Christian nations like Georgia and Ukraine. When it comes to Islamic nations harboring terrorist organizations, the Russian military behave like beta males.

    , @Ron Unz

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
     
    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of "crazy conspiracy theories" perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain "the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site" that apparently so irritates "Svigor."

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it's become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly "unreliable," so it's very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they're wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here's another interesting development from just the last few years. It's clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of "conspiracy theories," which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they're correct and maybe they aren't.

    Over time, I've gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those "crazy conspiracy theories." These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here's one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a "crazy conspiracy theory" of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in "crazy things."

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I'd guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in "crazy things," well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they're not.

    I'm sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they're certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing "the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists" and praising Donald Trump...
    , @Hunsdon
    1. Never take what a political leader tells you at face value. Whether a statement serves their goals is far more important than whether it is true or not. If what a politician tells you happens to be true, it’s just a coincidence.

    Some people hated the Soviet Union because they were communist, some people hated the Soviet Union because they were Russian. I've got a guess which of the two groups includes you.
  217. Impressive ( and maybe telling ) that the Muslims were able to muster a group of martyrs who also had the discipline to pull off a coordinated attack.

  218. @SFG
    If your name is really 'Jim Don Bob', or it's representative of your Southernness, I don't think you have much to worry about.

    First of all, these people don't even know most southern cities exist. I doubt anyone outside the USA knows where Atlanta or Charlotte is. They've probably heard of Texas, but see below.

    Also, as Chris Mallory says, Americans have guns in most places. Some part of me really, really wants to see them try this in Texas. (The other part of me knows they'd probably get a few Texans before they went down.)

    Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez managed to find Chattanooga, although the FBI is for some reason not releasing his motive, so we can’t be sure this was islamic terrorism

  219. “Who did it?”

    Easy. Merkel, Hollande, Sarkozy, Obama, Hillary, etc.

    Isn’t it strange that a) first they let enter a bazillion refugees into Europe with minimal checks b) suddenly after there is an attack by those same people?

    The elites *wanted* it to happen. Why, I’m not sure. Maybe to further continue adventures in the Middle East. Maybe because they really really really want to screw with White people.

  220. @Ed
    They're saying they used Sony P4 to communicate. Evidently as of now such communications are secure.

    They’re saying they (Muslim killers in Paris) used Sony P4 to communicate. Evidently as of now such communications are secure.

    P4 has a chat for players. Maybe this is what they used

  221. @Auntie Analogue

    "Who Did It?"

     

    Our Dear Rulers, the crony-stooges of the NAFAT-GATT-TPP-EU-Globalist-Capitalists, did it to us. Islam's jihadis are but one of the many tools in our Dear Rulers' Anarcho-Tyranny tool box, along with Black/LaRazatino/OtherMinority Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmailer-Extortionists, plus outsourcing of jobs and industries.

    In Paris Frenchmen were merely forced to submit to and suffer the latest lethal dose of our NAFTA-GATT-TPP-EU-Globalist Dear Rulers' Anarcho-Tyranny, whose program is:

    Lather.

    Rinse.

    Repeat.

    There you have the Anarcho-Tyrants' Cycle of Submission

    Lather: Jihad attack (or illegal or legal alien murderer - Kate Steinle; Virginia Tech; or your being forced to to submit to training your freshly Imported, freshly employed foreigner job replacements; or your college kid being forced to submit to campus race/Islam/"rape culture" Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmail liars).

    Rinse: "Tiny minority of extremists [Even Mr. Sailer uses the weasel word "Islamists"]." "Moslems in West now fear backlash." "Islam is...Peace." Stage usual "Je suis/we are all" vigils replete with platitudes about nonexistent imaginary "universal values." Dear Rulers act, fund & ratchet-up larger more powerful police-surveillance-security state - must ferret out and crush "hate speech" and "Islamophobia" and "bring to justice" the "Far Right Extremists" who oppose "Diversity Is Out Strength," and must hire more Moslem Huma Abedin Brotherhood operatives to "advise" SecState/CIA/FBI/NSA/DOD/Gendarmerie/ScotlandYard/&c., & must depose Moslem dictators, bomb Moslem lands, stimulate fresh wave of "refugees," Import more Moslems, Import more foreign STEM workers & menial cheap scab labor; enact more "hate speech" codes and laws and classify "hate speech" as a felony against the "world's universal values." And, above all, "Keep shopping, or the 'terrorists' win."

    Repeat: Jihad attack (illegal or legal alien murder of Americans, Imported foreigner job replacements; Ferguson/campus Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmail tantrum-cum-harangue).

    Lather. Rinse. Repeat. The Anarcho-Tyrants' Cycle of Submission.

    The Anarcho-Tyranny Cycle of Submission is the operating mechanism of Invade The World/Import The World. It's especially much more the operating mechanism of Import The World: our Dear Rulers never require Imminvaders to assimilate and instead force us to accommodate the Imminvaders and to yield our way of life to the Imminvaders' customs, culture, faith and barbarism.

    Sure, "terrorist" attacks are rare - yet they're far, very far from being as rare as hens' teeth - and they're committed by "a tiny minority of extremists," yet so was France's Reign of Terror committed by a "tiny minority of extremists"; so too were the Sultan & Young Turks a "tiny minority of extremists" who ran the Armenian Genocide; so too were the Bolsheviks a "tiny minority of extremists" who took over Russia and then murdered 100 million Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and countless other peoples; so too was the Nazi core leadership a "tiny minority of extremists" who took over Germany and went on to murder over ten million people; so too were Red China's Communists a "tiny minority of extremists" who starved scores of millions of their own people to death; and so too were the Khmer Rouge who took over Cambodia a "tiny minority of extremists" who mass murdered nearly three million of their own people. Even in our own American Revolution just one-third of the colonists supported the Revolution, one-third were Tories loyal to the Crown, and one-third were neutral - and the percentage of colonists who fought in the Revolution amounted to a "tiny minority of extremists." And on our campuses a "tiny minority of extremists" succeed at compelling college presidents to resign, to yield their posts to Grievance-Hoax-Shakedown-Blackmail facilitators.

    It is all very simple: Where there are no Moslems there is no jihad by hijra, by stealth-sharia-creep, by lawfare, or by violent attack. Where there is no Imported Cheap Third World Scab Labor, Americans get to keep their own well-paying jobs in their own country here in America. Where there are no Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmail hoaxers, your child gets a genuine, useful education, and white guys who passed the firefighter test get the firefighter jobs instead of unqualified "Disparate Impacters," and trillions of your taxpayer dollars are not flushed down the toilet to mollify Grievance-Shakedown-Blackmailers allowed to extort from us our dollars to fund their placement in power positions which they use to extort further lucre from our purses and further appointments of their ilk to commissariats that grind us down to serfdom in Third World muck. Where there are no Imported foreigners of cultures, faiths and customs - not of "universal values" - who are antagonistic, hostile and too often violent towards us and our culture, faiths and customs, we the people of the West get on very well in our daily lives and in our own destinies - and we suffer least and are best able to help others in their own lands.

    Until we Westerners who remain standing for Western Civilization break our Dear Rulers' of their Anarcho-Tyrannous Lather, Rinse, Repeat Cycle of Submission (which includes our Dear Rulers' Invade & Bomb Them All & Create Masses of "Refugees" to Import), we will submit repeatedly, monotonously in distracted, diverted mute ignorance to being forced to suffer endless rounds of Lather, Rinse, Repeat of our Anarcho-Tyrants' Cycle of Submission.

    It's. That. Simple.

    The news cycle has more stages

    a) terrorist atrocity
    b) defiant speeches by politicians and all and sundry. Lots of candles and vigils, brave #istandwithwhereverthelatestattackis hashtags
    c) time to reflect and remember that “this is not true Islam, religion of peace etc”. “Muslims fear backlash” pieces in all media, police sent to guard mosques
    d) time passes, and Muslims have more babies. Nearly 10% of all children born in England and Wales in 2014 were born to Muslim parents.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10562574/Almost-a-tenth-of-babies-and-toddlers-in-England-and-Wales-are-Muslim-census-figures-show.html
    e) rinse and repeat.

    Though at some stage, when the Muslim population of voting age reaches 50%, things might change. After all, we already pay a jizya in the form of having our emails read and browsing logged, not to mention the actual tax to pay for the CCTV cameras and all those people to search us at the airport. Might be cheaper to live in peace paying a real jizya. I guess when such a scenario looms, many of those who got us there will have moved elsewhere.

  222. @SFG
    If your name is really 'Jim Don Bob', or it's representative of your Southernness, I don't think you have much to worry about.

    First of all, these people don't even know most southern cities exist. I doubt anyone outside the USA knows where Atlanta or Charlotte is. They've probably heard of Texas, but see below.

    Also, as Chris Mallory says, Americans have guns in most places. Some part of me really, really wants to see them try this in Texas. (The other part of me knows they'd probably get a few Texans before they went down.)

    Jim Don Bob is just the first thing I could think of for a handle. I am not a Southerner but lived in, and admired, Texas for eight years. I now live near the Capital of the Great Satan, which will probably be the first or second choice for a jihadi nuke. I might survive if the yield is 20kt or less, but it’s gonna mess up the value of my house big time.

    The jihadis did try this in Texas back in May when Pamela Gellar (http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/us/texas-shooting-who-is-pamela-geller/) had some shindig. They lost, because, as you pointed out, at least every other person in the South is packing. Which is fine with me.

  223. @Demon for Truth
    Oh, come on. You seem to have caught Liberal Academic Disease, whose main symptom is an unmanageable urge to find infinite questions and infinite possible answers to each, and chew them like a cow with its cud. Stand up to the Muslim psychopaths and really mean it. You'll be amazed at the way the questions answer themselves.

    “Stand up to Muslim psychopaths and really mean it” is a very vague and basically meaningless policy prescription. Here are some options:

    #1 – Strongly control and limit Arab Muslim immigration into Europe. This can, and should be done. The problem is that in doing this we are inevitably going to have a number of picturesque deaths on the beaches of the Mediterranean. Are we, collectively, up for that? Apparently not.

    #2 – Bomb them. We’ve been doing that for 14 years.

    #3 – Selectively bomb them. We’ve been doing that for 14 years. BTW, this inevitably causes the deaths of innocents. How do people feel about that?

    #4 – Invade, Occupy, and manage the severe population reduction the region needs over the course of several decades. We don’t have the will, and neither the money nor the manpower to do it; unless we raise taxes and reinstall the draft. So it isn’t going to happen.

    #5 – Basically put a cordon sanitaire around the Arab Muslim world, and just let them kill each other off and solve their own problems. This is probably the most reasonable option, except that world opinion will never accept it: (a) massive loss of life reported in social media in gruesome detail, (b) destruction of antiquities in the Cradle of Civilization, (c) possible interruption of the oil flow.

    There’s just going to be a lot of death, destruction, and chaos for a long time over there. What does the West do? What do we Americans do? We need specific policy proposals, and we need political will. So far we really haven’t had any of either.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    Agree on all points.

    I think there's a #6: Increase the powers of the (trans)national surveillance state, and hope that it catches hostiles in time. John Miller and Mike Morrell have been tripping over themselves to push this action.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Yes, re 1 & 3, it's interesting that pictures of dead babies aren't used by the media to put an end to bombing rather than to border enforcement.
  224. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    "Bosian serb, Albanian, – middle eastern blond"

    Bosnia, Albania, and Serbia are in Europe not The Middle East. Blond hair in Arab men is so rare that even Jewish men have a higher percentage of blond hair than Arab men. Jewish male actors like Gene Wilder, Ben Foster, Tab Hunter, and Michael Rapaport for example have blond hair. Name one Arab male actor who has blond hair?

    You know Arabs does not belong to the Master Race when even the Jews beat them in the blondism department. Heck even some Latin American groups beat Arabs in the blondism department. You are more likely to see a blond haired in man Rio Grande Do Sul or Uruguay than you are in an Arab country.

    Blond hair in Arab men is so rare

    You seem to assume than an Arab male bent on terrorism is incapable of dying his hair a lighter color so as to be able to move around in a European environment without attracting any notice. Hair dye is available at every drug store.

  225. @SFG
    If your name is really 'Jim Don Bob', or it's representative of your Southernness, I don't think you have much to worry about.

    First of all, these people don't even know most southern cities exist. I doubt anyone outside the USA knows where Atlanta or Charlotte is. They've probably heard of Texas, but see below.

    Also, as Chris Mallory says, Americans have guns in most places. Some part of me really, really wants to see them try this in Texas. (The other part of me knows they'd probably get a few Texans before they went down.)

    They did at that Koran burning or die thing like that. The terrorists were all shot to death before the left the parking lot. Lol

  226. @SFG
    Funny and true, but:

    I've heard some fairly reasonable arguments Israel likes ISIS (in an enemy-of-my-enemies way) because they keep Israel's other enemies in check.

    That said, no, this is really not the kind of thing Mossad would pull. First of all, as above, if ISIS is distracting Israel's enemies, this will force the West to actually attack ISIS, and ISIS isn't actually strong enough to resist a concerted attack. Totally counterproductive.

    Second of all, I doubt Mossad would run a 'false flag' in a Western city like that--risk of getting caught and turning the whole EU against them is too huge.

    a”Second of all, I doubt Mossad would run a ‘false flag’
    see the lavin affair

    b. “That said, no, this is really not the kind of thing Mossad would pull”
    hezzbollah was funded by Israel to disrupt hamas (or visa versa, i forget)

  227. @Anonymous
    That's just not true. Steve's Komment Kontrol is very moderate and very likely needed to keep things civil. Mistakes do happen of course but in my 11 years of commenting here I think only three posts were censored.

    Lol wut? Steve is the most arbitrary censorer in the entire Alt Right. Everybody else on Unz either allows anything to go through or at least you’ll know what will and won’t pass Komment Kontrol. With Steve it is like quantum mechanics, totally random.

    Steve blows.

    • Disagree: Anonym
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    C'mon, man. It's his blog, and he says explicitly "Comments moderated at whim".

    I personally think his moderation is pretty liberal. He lets through a lot of "the jews did it" stuff that I would not were it my blog.
  228. @Stan D Mute

    Salon has already, predictably, published an article saying the blame lies with “us”.
     
    And a broken clock is right once a day. For once Salon gets it right. The blame most assuredly does lie with them. The Arabs and Africans will do as they always do. Expecting otherwise is idiocy, akin to keeping a tiger as a house pet. When the Arab or African explodes in violence killing unprepared civilians it is no different from when the tiger kills and eats your children. The blame is on the fool who allowed the beast into their home

    When the Arab or African explodes in violence killing unprepared civilians it is no different from when the tiger kills and eats your children. The blame is on the fool who allowed the beast into their home.

    Gold-Box-worthy comment.

    “The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars/But in ourselves, that we are underlings.”

  229. @Jefferson
    "Over at U of Missouri, the black cry babies are protesting that an attack on mostly whites in Paris is diverting press away from their protests. Some even referred to terroristic acts that they have endured at Mizzou. They have lost an semblance of sanity. As one poster here commented they haven’t jumped the shark, they have jumped the blue whale."

    129 people were murdered in Paris while a big fat ZERO people were murdered in Mizzou. But according to Blacks, poop swastika in a restroom is a trillion times worst than 129 dead mostly White bodies.

    These racist Blacks would be singing a different tune if the Islamic terrorists murdered 129 Blacks in Nigeria or The Sudan for example, instead of the 129 mostly White people in Paris.

    These racist Blacks would be singing a different tune if the Islamic terrorists murdered 129 Blacks in Nigeria or The Sudan for example, instead of the 129 mostly White people in Paris.

    They’re more concerned about a single African American thug being shot by the police in this country than they would be about 50,000 Africans being slaughtered in Nigeria. I don’t think they care about that at all. There’s nothing in it for them.

  230. @rod1963
    There were probably more terrorists than those who blew themselves up, I think the authorities are just saying that to placate the people.

    Still to pull it off required 2-3x as many people working in the background, it would all be compartmentalized so as to minimize info leaks. In short there is a existing infrastructure in place to plan and pull off these attacks. This was not the work of bozos like the Tsarnev brothers.

    Chances are there are more attacks in the pipeline between now and Christmas.

    I think you’re right, this must have been a much larger operation than just the seven dead terrorists. Apparently it’s now clear that in fact the third team that shot pedestrians and cafe-goers got away on Friday and is still at large. Very disturbing.

  231. @Expletive Deleted
    Berber? Remember the hoo-ha when the yellow press decided that some poor blonde toddler was Madeleine McCann and tried to abduct her from her I think it was Moroccan parents. The arrests in Brussels today were in a heavily Moroccan slum from which a suspiciously large number of previous attackers have come, going back to the '8Os, including the Charlie killers.

    Found it. Name, Bouchra Akchar.
    In an intriguing footnote to palaeogenetics, a significant fraction of Rif Berber tribespeople are way “whiter” than many, many French Gauls, and have been that way for a long, long time. Paging Razib ..

  232. Steve,

    Sorry about my rather violent comment about putting a bullet in Merkel’s head. It was, shall we say, inappropriate and certainly not something that you would condone or encourage.

    My apologies.

    My only defense is that I grow weary of the violence (the low level day-to-day kind as well as the occasional terrorist attack) Merkel and her kind inflict on my people. It was her “tears” that set me off.

    Best,
    Citizen

  233. @Desiderius

    Ethnomasochist works for me because it’s easily understandable.
     
    The problem isn't the ethno, it's the masochist.

    They're not masochists, they're sadists.

    They’re not masochists, they’re sadists.

    But an “ethnosadist” just sounds like a racist. Do you really have such a problem with that term? I haven’t heard a better one in this discussion.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Do you really have such a problem with that term
     
    Why do you not?

    It's the "if the Tsar only knew!" problem.
  234. @Jefferson
    A black haired Mediterranean looking French guy who was interviewed by Fox News claims that one of the Islamic mass shooters in Paris had lighter hair than him, saying that he was blond. So at least one of the Muslim mass shooters was not Arab, but European. I have never seen an adult over the age of 18 Arab male with the same hair color as Owen Wilson, or Jeff Daniels, or Paul Walker, or Brock Lesnar. So that terrorist had to be a European who converted to Islam.

    I have been inside the cab of many Arab drivers and not one of them has ever been blond.

    Lots of Arabs and other Muslims around here seem to marry blonde women. So at least some of their children will have blonde hair, and will almost certainly be raised Muslims. And yes, there are also naturally light-haired Muslims … not so many around here, but I’ve heard that in France there is a large community of “Caucasians” (i.e. from the mountains) and that surely includes Muslim tribes such as Chechens. Bosnia is another example of a nation of people that look like typical Europeans but are predominantly Muslims.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Bosnians are descendants of Slavs who converted to Islam during Islamic rule of the Balkan Peninsula.
  235. @Jefferson
    "Bosian serb, Albanian, – middle eastern blond"

    Bosnia, Albania, and Serbia are in Europe not The Middle East. Blond hair in Arab men is so rare that even Jewish men have a higher percentage of blond hair than Arab men. Jewish male actors like Gene Wilder, Ben Foster, Tab Hunter, and Michael Rapaport for example have blond hair. Name one Arab male actor who has blond hair?

    You know Arabs does not belong to the Master Race when even the Jews beat them in the blondism department. Heck even some Latin American groups beat Arabs in the blondism department. You are more likely to see a blond haired in man Rio Grande Do Sul or Uruguay than you are in an Arab country.

    • Replies: @ren
    bottle of Miss Clairol
  236. @Reg Cæsar

    Terms like egophobia don’t sound right ...
     
    ...because they barbarically (literally!) tack Latin onto Greek. As a Brit said of television in the 1920s, bah! Half-Latin, half-Greek; nothing good can come of it.

    “Ego” is “I” in Greek too (epsilon-gamma-omega).

  237. @Anonymous

    Just like 9/11 resulted in an attack on Iraq, this will resolve into an attack on the Assad government.

    The media do not do fine detail, only you and the likes of the blogs you support.

    France and the USA could announce a retaliatory bombing of Syria/Northern Iraq in response that will in actual fact be an assault on the Assad govt and her Russian ally.
     
    I hope that the Paris attacks do not result in more war. A better and more proper response would be to shut the borders (of France, the U.S., and other Western nations) and expel relatively recent refugees or immigrants who are Muslims or from Islamic countries (you'd have to decide exactly what the criteria for expulsion would be). Until the borders are closed, any military actions seem pointless with little chance of long-term success in stopping Islamic terrorism in Western countries.

    Closing US borders would have been the proper response to 9/11 if you want to protect the average citizen of the United States.

    Instead, the US invaded Iraq.

    Remember the Maine!
    Assassination of Ferdinand
    Pearl Harbor
    Gulf of Tonkin
    9/11

    Notice any patterns?

  238. @anon
    Of course it's not important to Coates. Those people who were killed were white, meaning that they had the power to shatter his black body for no reason.

    When 9/11 happened, he didn't even care about the firefighters who died trying to save people. They were body-shatterers too, so why should he have any sympathy?

    Of course, people bought the book where he said that like hotcakes, so if he cared about his career, he probably SHOULD tweet more about how little he cares, since that's what his SWPL audience wants to hear.

    The cousin of a black French soccer player, citizens of several North African countries and a Mexican American were killed in the attacks.

    If Coates thinks only whites will be killed well he’s dumber than I previously thought.

  239. @rod1963
    There were probably more terrorists than those who blew themselves up, I think the authorities are just saying that to placate the people.

    Still to pull it off required 2-3x as many people working in the background, it would all be compartmentalized so as to minimize info leaks. In short there is a existing infrastructure in place to plan and pull off these attacks. This was not the work of bozos like the Tsarnev brothers.

    Chances are there are more attacks in the pipeline between now and Christmas.

    …Still to pull it off required 2-3x as many people working in the background…

    viz The Battle of Algiers

  240. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    My son’s school just sent a memo entitled “Talking To Your Son About Paris” which contained the following advice: “Limit using the internet as an investigative tool about this incident – some written reports are less regulated than the newspapers and may include untrue/inappropriate information.”

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    “Limit using the internet as an investigative tool about this incident – some written reports are less regulated than the newspapers and may include untrue/inappropriate information.”
     
    Translation: “Limit using the internet as an investigative tool about this incident – some written reports are less controlled than the newspapers and may actually tell the truth."
  241. @Reg Cæsar
    Who did it? Someone with the terror gene!

    It has nothing to do with environment or indoctrination. Blowing themselves up is in their DNA.

    Geez, HBD disappears from this forum just when you need it most.

    Suicide is rarely a survival technique. Young suicides do not leave a DNA trace to echo down the corridors of time.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    But it's useful if you have a lot of useless young males around who might put 2 and 2 together as to why it's so hard for them to find a wife and attain respectability while you have 4 wives plus concubines.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    CK, Yes, you can not procreate after you've disintegrated yourself, but you can leave progeny before you die.
    , @Reg Cæsar



    Suicide is rarely a survival technique. Young suicides do not leave a DNA trace to echo down the corridors of time.

     

    Celibacy is even worse, but Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Buddhism thrived until recently-- when celibacy waned. What happened is the monks and nuns came from families of eight or ten or more, so their genes survived laterally.

    Suicide bombers do leave progeny around, but even if they didn't, their fifteen or twenty siblings and half-siblings would ensure their genetic memory.
  242. Jefferson, there are many non-Arab Muslims. Shittons of Afghanis and the like have light skin, eyes, and hair.

    BTW, my question was in earnest, not rhetorical:

    Why are the most self-satified people in the world, your typical SJWs, perceived as self-hating, of all things?

    While I agree with you, consider that the accuracy of the idea may be less important than its efficacy; tell an SJW he hates his race, no big deal. Calling him a self-hater may hit closer to home.

    And for another, this totally ignores any other factors that may have changed recently, like… A MASSIVE INFLUX OF MIGRANTS FROM THE WAR ZONE. Hello? Bueller?

    This.

    Personally, I think racists works perfectly to describe leftists, and it’s already got massive coinage.

    Why is it that, when coordinated teams of Muslims shoot a bunch of people and ISIS claims credit, we call it “terrorism”, but when a white kid with a history of mental illness shoots a bunch of people, we blame mental illness?

    🙂

    Steve Sailer is an extreme hypocrite for criticizing Mizzou University for being pro-1st amendment for only freedom of of speech they approve of, when Steve is guilty of running his blog the same way. There is way more freedom of speech at Twitchy, American Renaissance, Taki Magazine, Stuff Black People Don’t Like

    For you. SBPDL censors heavily, particularly on the JQ.

    Steve’s light moderating hand is one of the main reasons I’ve been here so long. I’ve never had an idea I couldn’t get through, if I worded it right.

  243. Steve does seem to hate Hate HATE it when I draw parellels between blacks and Jews (there are many), always in response to philosemites drawing parallels between blacks and WNs. I always have a hard time getting that one printed.

  244. I mean, consider “self-hating Jew,” it’s almost never accurate as used. It almost always means “Jew who isn’t racist enough.”

    • Replies: @Anonym
    I mean, consider “self-hating Jew,” it’s almost never accurate as used. It almost always means “Jew who isn’t racist enough.”'

    Exactly. Part of the beauty of that epithet is that it sends the receiver into paroxysms of justification, as it may be somewhat accurate but it is not accurate enough. So the recipient is compelled to either tacitly ignore/accept it, or go into a lengthy and defensive, not overly convincing diatribe that may bore and confuse the listener.

    Just like the epithet 'racist' really. It doesn't accurately describe who we are but there are elements that do, so one is compelled to do one of two relatively unsatisfactory things.
  245. Also, judging by the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site, we should all be thanking Steve.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  246. The goal of the people in charge of the West the last 50 years or so is to destroy white countries and they are succeeding magnificently.

    Corporations are certainly in on it too. They are obsessed with diversity.

    First they had the Common Market and then the EU in Europe.

    The US opened its borders more in 1965.

    Nobody in charge of the US has opened his mouth about legal or even illegal immigration except for maybe Trump and a few others.

  247. @Jefferson
    "Over at U of Missouri, the black cry babies are protesting that an attack on mostly whites in Paris is diverting press away from their protests. Some even referred to terroristic acts that they have endured at Mizzou. They have lost an semblance of sanity. As one poster here commented they haven’t jumped the shark, they have jumped the blue whale."

    129 people were murdered in Paris while a big fat ZERO people were murdered in Mizzou. But according to Blacks, poop swastika in a restroom is a trillion times worst than 129 dead mostly White bodies.

    These racist Blacks would be singing a different tune if the Islamic terrorists murdered 129 Blacks in Nigeria or The Sudan for example, instead of the 129 mostly White people in Paris.

    It is difficult to make productive American’s feel bad about Independent African Blacks being killed by Independent African Moslems and vice versa. Where there is no available guilt trip to be laid their will be no visible concern. Regard the hugely ignored effort by Mrs. Obama to make White America go all weepy over the Boko Haram girl raids.
    Regard how often you hear Sharpton or Jackson or Louis Farrakhan demanding that we do something about Boko Haram.

  248. @Jefferson
    "Over at U of Missouri, the black cry babies are protesting that an attack on mostly whites in Paris is diverting press away from their protests. Some even referred to terroristic acts that they have endured at Mizzou. They have lost an semblance of sanity. As one poster here commented they haven’t jumped the shark, they have jumped the blue whale."

    129 people were murdered in Paris while a big fat ZERO people were murdered in Mizzou. But according to Blacks, poop swastika in a restroom is a trillion times worst than 129 dead mostly White bodies.

    These racist Blacks would be singing a different tune if the Islamic terrorists murdered 129 Blacks in Nigeria or The Sudan for example, instead of the 129 mostly White people in Paris.

    Jefferson, Boko Haram has frequently slaughtered 100s of black Africans at a time….usually any non-Muslim variety will do . The shouts of “Oh, the horror” usually come from white Christians here and in Europe. I don’t remember, and I may be wrong, any strong protests of these acts by any group like BLM. I saw that an anagram for Boko Haram is barak homo, just sayin’

  249. @Anonym
    They do not hate their own kind – they do not recognize those they hate as kindred. It is why they’ve gone to such lengths to dehumanize us first. Guilty people are not smug.

    It’s not themselves they hate. It is you and I.

    If that is the case, why do some liberals refrain from having children, or minimize the number of them, so as to reduce their load on the environment etc.? It is because they see themselves as a part of the white, first world, civilization. And if they really see themselves as something separate from those they hate, why do many of them not refrain from miscegenating? Why does a Heidi Klum write herself out of the German gene pool if she thinks her own genetics truly worth preserving largely as they are? Instead she holds her actions as a badge of her own xenophilia.

    Certainly, multicultists do hate you and I, but also there is certainly a lot of self-hatred there. And that's why the "self-hating" epithet is so effective, because deep down they know what they do and there is a little guilt, a little self-loathing which they try so very hard to squash... but try as they might, it is still there.

    “Why does a Heidi Klum write herself out of the German gene pool if she thinks her own genetics truly worth preserving largely as they are?”

    Because she puts the interest of her own genes above those of her countrymen?

    Could it be more obvious?

    “Certainly, multicultists do hate you and I, but also there is certainly a lot of self-hatred there. And that’s why the “self-hating” epithet is so effective”

    What effect do you allege that these past fifty years of employing it have had? Do the supposed “self-haters” have the whip hand or do they not?

    Do they act like they hate themselves?

    • Replies: @Anonym
    You may have a point with Klum. And I would argue that among Jewish leftist power brokers who see themselves as Jews and not as whites, they are not self hating. Foolish but not self hating.

    But among rank leftist whites, I believe that fundamentally many feel a degree of self loathing. Remember, most people are not holding any whips. All they do is vote. White dems are mostly single women as per Steve, and some single men. A lot of these women are to the left of the marriage material bell curve, or they would be married. Bitter, resentful and envious of married white people, married to the TV and their meaningless job, and raising their cats. You don't think they have a degree of self loathing?
  250. @Harry Baldwin
    They’re not masochists, they’re sadists.

    But an "ethnosadist" just sounds like a racist. Do you really have such a problem with that term? I haven't heard a better one in this discussion.

    Do you really have such a problem with that term

    Why do you not?

    It’s the “if the Tsar only knew!” problem.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Please give us a term that people will intuitively understand that communicates what you think is important. I haven't seen one so far. Most of the ones posted that are derived from Greek would be incomprehensible to most people.
  251. @Jefferson
    "In the northernmost regions of the Levant you will find brown-haired blue eyed Arabs"

    I am not talking about brown hair, I am talking about blond hair like Gary Busey and Nick Nolte for example. I have never seen an adult Arab male who is blond enough to be put in one of Adolf Hitler's Nazi propaganda posters.

    Jeff, I married a brunette who is now a blonde, a bottle blonde, as are two of my daughters , Nikki Minaj is frequently blonde, as are Madonna and Lady GaGa .

  252. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ron Unz, it’s probably easy to overthink the particular reasons for an attack like this. It’s easier just to assume that ISIS has been at war with the West since its leaders were in US military prisons in Iraq. Their time cycles are just different than ours, of necessity. While we (due in large part to technology) make our military/violent responses (our OODA loop) as fast as possible (or as specific as possible, as with a drone strike), theirs take so long and are often so indiscriminate that we may not even recognize them as part of a coherent whole. But they are, none-the-less, and if they keep it up long enough they can achieve their objectives. (From over a year ago):

    “FLASHBACK–ISIS Leader to USA: ‘Soon We Will be in Direct Confrontation’”, Terence P. Jeffrey, CNS News, June 13, 2014:

    “(CNSNews.com) – Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), issued a rare audio message back on January 21 in which he flatly stated his group’s intention to march on Baghdad and move into “direct confrontation” with the United States.

    “Our last message is to the Americans. Soon we will be in direct confrontation, and the sons of Islam have prepared for such a day,” Baghdadi said. “So watch, for we are with you, watching.”…”

  253. @Ed
    They're saying they used Sony P4 to communicate. Evidently as of now such communications are secure.

    I think you mean the PlayStation 4, the P4 is a camera.
    The comms on a PS4 are not any more secure than any other digital comm.

  254. @Jefferson
    "Salon got to the bottom of it quickly:

    http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/and_so_the_hate_speech_begins_let_paris_be_the_end_of_the_rights_violent_language_toward_activists/

    Turns out it was white American conservatives having opinions because reasons."

    Slate also said Bill Maher is engaging in Islamophobia when he commented that it wasn't the Amish who committed the Paris terrorist attacks.

    So to keep up with the score here, not only are White American conservatives being blamed for Mizzou, but White American conservatives are also being blamed for the Paris terrorist attacks as well.

    There was someone in The Black Voices section of The Huffington Post who believes that White college students develop hatred for Black college students because they watch Fox News and listen to racist Right Wing radio guys like Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, and Michael Savage who always preach hatred against the nation's first Black president and affirmative action.

    Jeff. Imagine the shit you could get away with if you were an evil minded Amish terrorist.

  255. @Mark Eugenikos
    As others have said, you should get out more (no offense). Your Arab cab drivers aren't likely to be from the top layer of society in their home countries, so they are less likely to be light haired/skinned. I have met Arabs (mostly Syrians and Iraqis) with light hair and eyes.

    When I was a student at a large Midwestern university, there was a Syrian prof with ruddy complexion, strawberry blond hair and green eyes. He could have passed for a German or a Pole. Bass player for Acrassicauda (Iraqi heavy metal band) has blue eyes and dishwater blond hair, and can pass for James Hetfield's (Metallica) cousin. Bashar Al-Assad has blue eyes, and his wife Asma looks more French than Nicolas Sarkozy's wife. Queen Rania of Jordan would look at home anywhere from Spain to Greece.

    Of course there are many dark Arabs, but among the Levantines especially you're going to find a surprisingly large number of surprisingly pale people.

    You’d need to clarify your definition of the word Arab. Usually it means a member of a Semitic ethnic group who are black-haired if they’re of pure blood. If you take it to mean someone from the Middle East or North Africa who speaks Arabic, the definition would be much wider. People in those places who have fair hair and/or blue eyes must have European blood.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Not true. Arab Muslim populations have experienced significant sub-Saharan admixture over the past thousand years which could be responsible for the near uniformity of dark complexion and hair in that population.
  256. @Clyde

    You need to get out more. I have met Lebanese and Syrians with blond hair.
     
    I believe the Crusaders left lots of their genes behind. Seriously, I have met 4-5 Lebanese who looked French. With fair European skin though not blond. Lebanon used to be Christian dominant. IIRC it was 80% Christian in the early 20th century. Lebanon was a place to do business and trade. Some Christian Lebanese became wealthy as intermediaries, middleman negotiating trade deals between Europe and the Arab oil producers.

    The Crusaders didn’t really leave their genes there. They were a small population and had trouble with basic survival there and suffered from scurvy, dysentery, and malaria because they were not adapted to the local environment. See Alfred McCoy’s “Ecological Imperialism”.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Thanks. Then European genes got into the Levant some other way. Lebanon-Syria were French colonies. So this way?
  257. @Desiderius

    Do you really have such a problem with that term
     
    Why do you not?

    It's the "if the Tsar only knew!" problem.

    Please give us a term that people will intuitively understand that communicates what you think is important. I haven’t seen one so far. Most of the ones posted that are derived from Greek would be incomprehensible to most people.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Please give us a term that people will intuitively understand that communicates what you think is important.
     
    Snobbery.

    Link to this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rcc7xgD2dM

  258. @Jack D
    1. Never take what a Russian leader tells you at face value. Whether a statement serves their goals is far more important than whether it is true or not. If what a Russian tells you happens to be true, it's just a coincidence.

    2. Russia has NOT been fighting ISIS in Syria. They give lip service (see #1) to fighting ISIS but most of their raids have been against other factions. Their goal is to keep Assad in power - they could care less about ISIS per se.

    3. Until the raid on Pearl Harbor, the Japanese had not attacked the West, then they did. It wasn't because we were arming them up until that point.

    4. It's very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent - it's easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.

    1) Replace Russian leader with “any politician.” Still a truism. Welcome to Captain Obvious.
    2) Ahyup, the Russians are engaging with the folks that want Assad gone. All of them. That is what they were asked to do. Take the closest one out first then the farther away ones and then the farthest away ones. My suspicion is that the sponsors ISIS, ISIL, Daesh whatever understand that their investment is circling the drain and that they are trying mightily to divert the inevitable. They claim to destroy a Soviet airliner, blow up some suicide bombs in Beirut and Baghdad, pluck some low hanging fruit in Paris; all failed attempts to misdirect the inevitable. When certain proofs of Tel Aviv and/or Langley and/or Riyadh and/or Doha being the financiers and directors of this melange of evil proper punishments shall be prescribed ( as always ) by the victors.
    3) In 1918 the Japanese and the Americans invaded Russia ( along with Perfidious Albion and France and Austria and others ). The Russians probably teach that in their History courses. The Japanese stayed until 1925. But before that the Japanese had not issued a surprise attack on Russia since 02/08/1904. We were arming Japan before we stopped arming Japan.
    4) To work with others to achieve a private, future goal is easy; if you all agree on the goal. Examining the aftermath of the goal’s achievement is less easy and fraught with name calling.

  259. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “I think it is a direct result of women voting, and the increasing presence of women in the media and the public square. When something bad happens to women, they want to hold hands and emote together, instead of taking any action…”

    I think many women in the West find it unthinkable that there are hetero men in the world who can’t be controlled by whether Western women decide to kiss them, etc., or not. Especially if they think they are attractive and can always get men to do what they want. I suspect that deep down they expect the “magic dirt” of the West to be real, because they assume it is that female preferences (their preferences) that shape all behaviour. They have never encountered any environment where that is not true, so they act accordingly and are mentally discombobulated when that isn’t true.

  260. Charles Moore, Telegraph, 12th September 2015.

    “It would obviously be wrong, both morally and factually, to say that Muslims are worse than anyone else. It would be wrong not to acknowledge the contribution most of them make to our society. But it would also be wrong to deny that, in current conditions, a large Muslim community in a non-Muslim country produces more political disturbance, more communal tension, more intolerance of other faiths (and of non-faiths) and more terrorism. Few
    non-Muslims want to live near a mosque, see women veiling their faces or have Muslim practices introduced into state schools. Few non-Muslims want lots more Muslim immigrants.”

  261. How about core haters? It is a 2-for-1. (1) fringe vs. core and (2) at their core, their essential characteristic is hatred, of us.

  262. @ben tillman

    “Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?”

    The word you’re looking for is: Liberal
     
    That's good.

    I'm going to throw out "hijacked White body".

    People who think they are white and don’t like it.

  263. @anon
    Why is it that, when coordinated teams of Muslims shoot a bunch of people and ISIS claims credit, we call it "terrorism", but when a white kid with a history of mental illness shoots a bunch of people, we blame mental illness?

    “Why is it that, when coordinated teams of Muslims shoot a bunch of people and ISIS claims credit, we call it ‘terrorism’, [sic] but when a white kid with a history of mental illness shoots a bunch of people, we blame mental illness?”

    My dear anon, you can’t be serious.

    There are 1.6 BILLION Moslems who, among themselves and against us kuffar, commit murders and mass murders day in, day out, 24 x 7 x 365.

    There are NOT 1.6 billion “white kids with a history of mental illness.”

    You made the further error of conflating a minuscule-percentage domestic problem with a large percentage Imported Third World foreign problem that needed never to have been Imported.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    his post was satire.
  264. @Jefferson
    "Bosian serb, Albanian, – middle eastern blond"

    Bosnia, Albania, and Serbia are in Europe not The Middle East. Blond hair in Arab men is so rare that even Jewish men have a higher percentage of blond hair than Arab men. Jewish male actors like Gene Wilder, Ben Foster, Tab Hunter, and Michael Rapaport for example have blond hair. Name one Arab male actor who has blond hair?

    You know Arabs does not belong to the Master Race when even the Jews beat them in the blondism department. Heck even some Latin American groups beat Arabs in the blondism department. You are more likely to see a blond haired in man Rio Grande Do Sul or Uruguay than you are in an Arab country.

    You are more likely to see a blond haired man in … Uruguay than you are in an Arab country.

    You could throw a stone with your eyes closed and hit a blond in Uruguay. It’s 90% white.

  265. @SFG
    If your name is really 'Jim Don Bob', or it's representative of your Southernness, I don't think you have much to worry about.

    First of all, these people don't even know most southern cities exist. I doubt anyone outside the USA knows where Atlanta or Charlotte is. They've probably heard of Texas, but see below.

    Also, as Chris Mallory says, Americans have guns in most places. Some part of me really, really wants to see them try this in Texas. (The other part of me knows they'd probably get a few Texans before they went down.)

    Don’t mess with the Waco police department.

  266. @International Jew
    How long before Philip Giraldi blames Israel for this, Ron?

    How long before Philip Giraldi blames Israel for this, Ron?

    He won’t but his commenters will. Just between you and me, his most rabid minyan are on the Likud Party payroll. It is a most devious form of hasbara where anti-Zionism is being discredited by the deranged posts of Giraldi’s over the top anti-Zionistas. Even StormFront members are turned off by them.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    Just between you and me
     
    OK, I won't say a word to anyone!
  267. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Why is it that, when coordinated teams of Muslims shoot a bunch of people and ISIS claims credit, we call it ‘terrorism’, [sic] but when a white kid with a history of mental illness shoots a bunch of people, we blame mental illness?”

    Because the white kids do turn out to be mental cases. Whatever you can say about the ISIS terrorists, they aren’t mental cases. The are coordinated teams, as you say. They are functional, dedicated adults carrying out a planned mission to achieve a political objective desired by a much larger and capable organization to which they belong and which has usually planned the mission. They are just the cannon fodder. The very fact that they aren’t lone nut cases is what makes them much more dangerous. A lone nut case, by themselves, would never fundamentally threaten the West. In a world of over a billion and a half muslims, a group like ISIS may be able to carry out politically motiviated targeted attacks forever.

    Point out to me any white mass shooter “kid” who is part of an organization as large, well-funded, and directed as ISIS.

  268. @Jonathan Revusky
    And what is the clever neologism for people who are taken in by every false flag?

    How about "stupid"?

    And what is the clever neologism for people who are taken in by every false flag?
    How about “stupid”?

    Blame Ron Paul’s 2008 run in the Republican presidential primaries and his young Paulistas. They popularized the term. Amazingly enough the Paulista push for marijuana legalization goes hand in hand with the sharp rise in their sightings of “false flag” operations. The Mossad tops their list of entities behind false flag operations.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    Blame Ron Paul’s 2008 run in the Republican presidential primaries and his young Paulistas. They popularized the term.
     
    Ron Paul is indeed an old man, but he is not old enough to have invented the concept of false flag terrorism.

    The Mossad tops their list of entities behind false flag operations.

     

    So is your position that Mossad is not behind any false flag operations or do you simply object to them being the ones who top the list? Who should top the list, in your opinion?
    , @Giuseppe
    Never blame RP. He alone among the GOP knows what the hell he is talking about, if that means anything.
  269. Latest from the Guardian :

    “At the Elysée meeting, Hollande is also reported to have called for parliamentarians to keep separate the European discussions on refugees and that of terrorism.”

    Why does Hollande hate us so much ?

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    The silver lining in this tragedy is that the usual suspects are mostly still, for the moment, clinging to the narrative - and so are becoming increasingly ludicrous and obvious to even more of the ordinary people.


    PS This is terrific:

    http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/nine-conclusions-not-to-draw-from-the-paris-attacks/
  270. @Auntie Analogue
    "Why is it that, when coordinated teams of Muslims shoot a bunch of people and ISIS claims credit, we call it 'terrorism', [sic] but when a white kid with a history of mental illness shoots a bunch of people, we blame mental illness?"


    My dear anon, you can't be serious.

    There are 1.6 BILLION Moslems who, among themselves and against us kuffar, commit murders and mass murders day in, day out, 24 x 7 x 365.

    There are NOT 1.6 billion "white kids with a history of mental illness."

    You made the further error of conflating a minuscule-percentage domestic problem with a large percentage Imported Third World foreign problem that needed never to have been Imported.

    his post was satire.

  271. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Why does a Heidi Klum write herself out of the German gene pool if she thinks her own genetics truly worth preserving largely as they are?”

    Just a speculation, but maybe she was promised a TV show in exchange for marrying a non-white man.

    2003:

    – March. Klum began a relationship with Flavio Briatore, the Italian managing director of Renault’s Formula One team.

    – December. Klum announced her pregnancy.

    2004:

    – February. Flavio Briatore and Heidi Klum split.

    – December. Klum and Seal became engaged.

    – December. Klum became the host, judge and executive producer of the reality show Project Runway

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    Not as far fetched as it seems- Joan Crawford adapted children for positive pr
  272. @Reg Cæsar

    Terms like egophobia don’t sound right ...
     
    ...because they barbarically (literally!) tack Latin onto Greek. As a Brit said of television in the 1920s, bah! Half-Latin, half-Greek; nothing good can come of it.

    Ego is ‘I’ in Greek too.

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/εγώ

  273. In another example of interesting timing, this week the student government at the University of Minnesota voted not to commemorate 9/11 on campus.

    Student politician David Algadi explained why he was happy with the vote:

    First off, I want to say that 9/11 is and always will be a tragedy. I can recognize that. But I think that we need to permit ourselves to dig deeper than just this.

    9/11 is often used as reasoning for Islamophobia that takes both physical and verbal forms. The passing of this resolution might make a space that is unsafe for students on campus even more unsafe. Islamophobia and racism … are alive and well. I just don’t think that we can act like something like a moment of silence for 9/11 would exist in a vacuum when worldwide, Muslim and Middle Eastern folks undergo intense acts of terrorism around the 11th of September each year, and have since 2001.

    In addition there is a particular racial politic present wherein when folks of color do something it becomes a stereotype, when white folks do something it becomes forgotten. Dylann Roof? James Eagan Holmes? Joseph Stack? Timothy McVeigh? When will we start having moments of silence for all of the times white folks have done something terrible?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/11/15/u-minnesota-student-government-rejects-annual-recognition-of-911-citing-in-part-potential-perpetuation-of-islamophobia/

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Grumpy, This man is delusional. Does he think that they won't memorialize the slaughter by Dylan Roof at the AME Church in SC.....I want to hear him tell those folks to get over it.
  274. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @anon
    Of course it's not important to Coates. Those people who were killed were white, meaning that they had the power to shatter his black body for no reason.

    When 9/11 happened, he didn't even care about the firefighters who died trying to save people. They were body-shatterers too, so why should he have any sympathy?

    Of course, people bought the book where he said that like hotcakes, so if he cared about his career, he probably SHOULD tweet more about how little he cares, since that's what his SWPL audience wants to hear.

    I get that point. As I said, he has the mentality of a 13 year old. Like those black Mizzou students who are tweeting, “What about us? Who cares about this Paris shit? We’re the straws that stir the drink!” And in a way, they’re right, they are. Because we tolerate it. Encourage it.

  275. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    Out of curiosity, I checked TnC’s feed and he has lowered himself to retweet something from the NY Times about the manhunt. I won’t be doing this a lot. I have limits. But at 140 characters he is less offensive than a Salon post.

    There is something of interest in his feed (sorry, OT), which people here might want to tear apart at a future date: a tweet about that rare bird, the white rapist of black women. He found one, the real deal. This criminal ought to get the chair, but the point is, TnC is making hay out of a very odd occurence.

    The top of his twitter feed is a piece of gag-inducing sycophance from that paragon of journalistic objectivity, Gwen Ifill.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome


    a tweet about that rare bird, the white rapist of black women. He found one, the real deal.

     

    His mother is Japanese. Don't know about father. So he is at best biracial half-white. Don't know if that counts. Heres a pic:


    A Painful Silence: What Daniel Holtzclaw Teaches Us About Black Women in America
    ... (*Daniel Holtzclaw’s mother is of Japanese descent.) ...

     

  276. @Desiderius
    "Why does a Heidi Klum write herself out of the German gene pool if she thinks her own genetics truly worth preserving largely as they are?"

    Because she puts the interest of her own genes above those of her countrymen?

    Could it be more obvious?

    "Certainly, multicultists do hate you and I, but also there is certainly a lot of self-hatred there. And that’s why the “self-hating” epithet is so effective"

    What effect do you allege that these past fifty years of employing it have had? Do the supposed "self-haters" have the whip hand or do they not?

    Do they act like they hate themselves?

    You may have a point with Klum. And I would argue that among Jewish leftist power brokers who see themselves as Jews and not as whites, they are not self hating. Foolish but not self hating.

    But among rank leftist whites, I believe that fundamentally many feel a degree of self loathing. Remember, most people are not holding any whips. All they do is vote. White dems are mostly single women as per Steve, and some single men. A lot of these women are to the left of the marriage material bell curve, or they would be married. Bitter, resentful and envious of married white people, married to the TV and their meaningless job, and raising their cats. You don’t think they have a degree of self loathing?

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    A lot of these women are to the left of the marriage material bell curve, or they would be married. Bitter, resentful and envious of married white people, married to the TV and their meaningless job, and raising their cats. You don’t think they have a degree of self loathing?
     
    A sense of resentment certainly. I think there is an element of self-loathing but somehow they manage to externalise it. They think all white people are evil, except for them. And their friends. Just as male feminists manage to believe that all men are evil, except for them.
  277. @Anonymous Nephew
    Latest from the Guardian :

    "At the Elysée meeting, Hollande is also reported to have called for parliamentarians to keep separate the European discussions on refugees and that of terrorism."

    Why does Hollande hate us so much ?

    The silver lining in this tragedy is that the usual suspects are mostly still, for the moment, clinging to the narrative – and so are becoming increasingly ludicrous and obvious to even more of the ordinary people.

    PS This is terrific:

    http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/nine-conclusions-not-to-draw-from-the-paris-attacks/

  278. How does the West react to a terrorist attack? Somebody drags a piano to the site of a massacre where the blood has barely dried and plays a John Lennon song.

    Who could have imagined our weakness?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/paris-attacks-john-lennon-imagine-pianist-davide-martello-klavierkunst

    • Agree: BB753
  279. @Harry Baldwin
    Please give us a term that people will intuitively understand that communicates what you think is important. I haven't seen one so far. Most of the ones posted that are derived from Greek would be incomprehensible to most people.

    Please give us a term that people will intuitively understand that communicates what you think is important.

    Snobbery.

    Link to this:

  280. To all the wordsmiths out there…

    -phobe, -phobia, -phobic, refer to fear, not hate.

  281. Does anyone know why there are so many Muslim Algerians in France? Thought Algerians rebelled and gained their independence to be separate from France.

    I can understand why Christian/Jewish Algerians would move to France.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome


    Algerian War
    However, the Harkis in particular, having served as auxiliaries with the French army, were regarded as traitors by the FLN and between 50,000 and 150,000 Harkis and family members were murdered by the FLN or lynch-mobs, often after being abducted and tortured. About 91,000 managed to flee to France, some with help from their French officers acting against orders, and today they and their descendants form a significant part of the Algerian-French population.

     

  282. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a question that came to my mind...

    For the sake of argument, let's assume the Paris Attacks are exactly what the MSM claims, namely made by ISIS in retaliation for Western/French military attacks in Syria.

    America and its Western allies have claimed that for the last couple of years they've been constantly attacking ISIS, both in Syria and in Iraq. Meanwhile, critics who are pro-Russian or pro-Syrian have been claiming that America and its allies have actually been *supporting* IsIS, with vast quantities of money and weapons, mostly laundered through those "moderate rebels" that don't really seem to exist (e.g. there are only 4-5 individuals).

    Then a few weeks ago, Russian sent a small military force to Syria and began successfully attacking ISIS. This may have forced the West and its allies to actually begin fighting ISIS rather than pretending to, or at any least change their allegedly pro-ISIS strategy.

    And now suddenly, ISIS launches a massive, retaliatory attack in the West.

    If the West had really been fighting ISIS for so long---instead of giving them money and weapons---why had they never previously attacked the West?

    Offhand, doesn't this sudden attack help us decide whether the Western or the Russian leaders were the ones being truthful all this time?

    Ron Unz

    ISIS has attacked the West previously, you just weren’t paying attention. ISIS is part mind set brought by reading the Koran and inspires a man to take up Jihad. The Koran is what radicalizes Muslims. Because the Koran is what orders Muslims to attack and kill unbelievers, not ISIS.

    ISIS is just Islam in it’s most observant form. This is never talked about on MSM for obvious reasons.

    Nor do you need to train with ISIS to be part of it, it’s basically a franchise operate with low entry fees. Just go out and wage jihad and die in the process so as to become a martyr and you’re golden.

    Take the Muzzie who knifed the students at the community college was a ISIS affiliate. The Muzzie who shot up the school was a Muslim terrorist(most information on him has never been released so it’s safe to say he was a jihadi/ISIS affiliate like the knife attacker). Then there is the Chattanooga shooter – another Muslim(and again little information released on him or family background, safe to say then that he had connections to ISIS or AQ).

    The point is this is Islam we’re dealing with. Jihad or war against unbelievers is part and parcel of it.

    France was attacked not because they or the Russians were attacking Muzzies in Syria, they were attacked because they were infidels. It’s as simple as that.

    BTW Franch authorities were on high alert prior to the attack they knew full well there was going to be a attack, they just didn’t know where exactly. They knew for months.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "France was attacked not because they or the Russians were attacking Muzzies in Syria, they were attacked because they were infidels. It’s as simple as that."

    Indeed you are correct. Muslim terrorists want to kill as many Infidel Non Muslims regardless of whether or not they are from a country that is dropping drones on Muslim countries.

    Look at the Islamic terrorist attack in Spain for example, and Spain is not exactly a hawkish Neo-con country.

    Islamic terrorists would commit terrorist attacks on Japan if they could. The only reason they haven't yet is because Japan has a "racist" immigration policy that wants to keep out as many Ahmed's as possible.

    The Arab Muslim population in Japan is so low that you have a higher chance of bumping into an Arab Muslim in Oklahoma City than you do in Osaka.

  283. “As Mao said, “The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.””

    Of course, if the leaders of the West had more sanity when it comes to immigration, the guerrilla would never have the opportunity to swim among the fish, and he’d have to contend himself with violent displays against others who practice a slightly different variant of the same religion around his home region. Let the sharks swim among the other sharks.

    • Replies: @Abe

    Of course, if the leaders of the West had more sanity when it comes to immigration, the guerrilla would never have the opportunity to swim among the fish
     
    No, you dummy, it's actually brilliant! To get X number of Muslim stool pigeons to work with our security services we first have to let in 100X highly-trained ISIS foot soldiers. Sure we're gonna lose on every transaction , but we'll just make it up on volume.*


    *variation of this argument I actually read in a mainstream journal back in the recently post -9/11 days
  284. It’s hard to make sense out of these horrible attacks.

    A prudent action, however, is to keep importing more Muslims into Europe by the millions.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    > It’s hard to make sense out of these horrible attacks.

    It's a misapplication of the faculties of reason to try.
  285. @SPMoore8
    "Stand up to Muslim psychopaths and really mean it" is a very vague and basically meaningless policy prescription. Here are some options:

    #1 - Strongly control and limit Arab Muslim immigration into Europe. This can, and should be done. The problem is that in doing this we are inevitably going to have a number of picturesque deaths on the beaches of the Mediterranean. Are we, collectively, up for that? Apparently not.

    #2 - Bomb them. We've been doing that for 14 years.

    #3 - Selectively bomb them. We've been doing that for 14 years. BTW, this inevitably causes the deaths of innocents. How do people feel about that?

    #4 - Invade, Occupy, and manage the severe population reduction the region needs over the course of several decades. We don't have the will, and neither the money nor the manpower to do it; unless we raise taxes and reinstall the draft. So it isn't going to happen.

    #5 - Basically put a cordon sanitaire around the Arab Muslim world, and just let them kill each other off and solve their own problems. This is probably the most reasonable option, except that world opinion will never accept it: (a) massive loss of life reported in social media in gruesome detail, (b) destruction of antiquities in the Cradle of Civilization, (c) possible interruption of the oil flow.

    There's just going to be a lot of death, destruction, and chaos for a long time over there. What does the West do? What do we Americans do? We need specific policy proposals, and we need political will. So far we really haven't had any of either.

    Agree on all points.

    I think there’s a #6: Increase the powers of the (trans)national surveillance state, and hope that it catches hostiles in time. John Miller and Mike Morrell have been tripping over themselves to push this action.

  286. My dear anon, you can’t be serious.

    He wasn’t.

  287. This from NBC news today:

    The broadening scope of the investigation came as more signs emerged that the attackers may have infiltrated Europe as part of the influx of refugees flooding the continent — bringing the immigration debate raging on the continent back to the fore.

  288. Steve,

    I see Peter Beinart at The Atlantic is making an argument similar to Mr. Unz’s.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/11/isis-paris-attacks-rubio-republicans/416085/

    He claims we are not in Huntington-esque clash of civilizations and then goes on to explain that Islamists saw Charlie Hebdo as an attack on Islam. How this is not the quintessential example of a clash of civilizations, I don’t know.

    I think in the long run, conflict between ISIS and France/Russia would be inevitable. However, in the short run, he and Mr. Unz might be right that ISIS would focus more on the middle east and less on us if we weren’t involved there.

    Still, in invade/invite, the current problem must have more to do with inviting than with invading.

    • Replies: @Ed
    I find it odd that people keep trying to interpret what ISIS wants or why they do what they do.

    They release well written statements that lists why they target an area or building. Why cant we just take them at their word & leave it at that?
  289. @jon

    Thus while it is true that the overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants and their children do not fit the stereotype of being potentially violent jihadis or jihadi sympathizers hostile to the West, a not insignificant minority do, around 10% according to Pew (http://goo.gl/zVvDzy).
     
    Although that article was written with the intent to calm any fears, it should have the opposite effect on any thinking person. We already have around 2.6 million Muslims in the US. Even just 5 or 10% is a huge problem.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

    “Although that article was written with the intent to calm any fears, it should have the opposite effect on any thinking person. We already have around 2.6 million Muslims in the US. Even just 5 or 10% is a huge problem.”

    The Left Wing media already has an extreme hatred for Christianity despite there being no Christian version of ISIS. So can you imagine how much more Christian bashing there would be in the Left Wing media if a study came out revealing that 10 percent of the world’s Christian population are either terrorists or are open to the idea of joining a terrorist organization. You would have Left Wing politicians in North America and Europe trying to pass laws to ban Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical, Mormon, Quaker, Baptist churches, etc because they say Christianity and all of it’s different branches represent the epitome of hate just like Neo Nazism.

  290. @SPMoore8
    "Stand up to Muslim psychopaths and really mean it" is a very vague and basically meaningless policy prescription. Here are some options:

    #1 - Strongly control and limit Arab Muslim immigration into Europe. This can, and should be done. The problem is that in doing this we are inevitably going to have a number of picturesque deaths on the beaches of the Mediterranean. Are we, collectively, up for that? Apparently not.

    #2 - Bomb them. We've been doing that for 14 years.

    #3 - Selectively bomb them. We've been doing that for 14 years. BTW, this inevitably causes the deaths of innocents. How do people feel about that?

    #4 - Invade, Occupy, and manage the severe population reduction the region needs over the course of several decades. We don't have the will, and neither the money nor the manpower to do it; unless we raise taxes and reinstall the draft. So it isn't going to happen.

    #5 - Basically put a cordon sanitaire around the Arab Muslim world, and just let them kill each other off and solve their own problems. This is probably the most reasonable option, except that world opinion will never accept it: (a) massive loss of life reported in social media in gruesome detail, (b) destruction of antiquities in the Cradle of Civilization, (c) possible interruption of the oil flow.

    There's just going to be a lot of death, destruction, and chaos for a long time over there. What does the West do? What do we Americans do? We need specific policy proposals, and we need political will. So far we really haven't had any of either.

    Yes, re 1 & 3, it’s interesting that pictures of dead babies aren’t used by the media to put an end to bombing rather than to border enforcement.

  291. @Jack D
    1. Never take what a Russian leader tells you at face value. Whether a statement serves their goals is far more important than whether it is true or not. If what a Russian tells you happens to be true, it's just a coincidence.

    2. Russia has NOT been fighting ISIS in Syria. They give lip service (see #1) to fighting ISIS but most of their raids have been against other factions. Their goal is to keep Assad in power - they could care less about ISIS per se.

    3. Until the raid on Pearl Harbor, the Japanese had not attacked the West, then they did. It wasn't because we were arming them up until that point.

    4. It's very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent - it's easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.

    ” Russia has NOT been fighting ISIS in Syria.”

    Even the Kurds have murdered more ISIS members than the Russian military. They are suppose to be one of most powerful military nations on the planet, yet the Russian military sure are behaving like paper tigers regarding ISIS.

    The Russians only act tough when they bully other White Christian nations like Georgia and Ukraine. When it comes to Islamic nations harboring terrorist organizations, the Russian military behave like beta males.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Russia has no interest in fighting ISIS. Russia is there to support Assad, and Assad and Russia have no interest in fighting ISIS. Their interest is in fighting anti-Assad regime rebels and opponents, which is something like 70% of the Syrian population.
  292. @Anonymous
    That's just not true. Steve's Komment Kontrol is very moderate and very likely needed to keep things civil. Mistakes do happen of course but in my 11 years of commenting here I think only three posts were censored.

    Like a typical Boomer, Steve moderates anything that isn’t the moderate reasonable “tone” he agrees with.

    Anything actually hinting at civil conflict that might knock him out of his comfortable Cali nest is unspeakable.

    I’d have more faith that he was being discrete if Steve didn’t seem to approve every obvious troll about interracial rape that appears on here.

  293. @Anonymous

    “Why does a Heidi Klum write herself out of the German gene pool if she thinks her own genetics truly worth preserving largely as they are?”
     
    Just a speculation, but maybe she was promised a TV show in exchange for marrying a non-white man.

    2003:

    - March. Klum began a relationship with Flavio Briatore, the Italian managing director of Renault's Formula One team.

    - December. Klum announced her pregnancy.


    2004:

    - February. Flavio Briatore and Heidi Klum split.

    - December. Klum and Seal became engaged.

    - December. Klum became the host, judge and executive producer of the reality show Project Runway"

    Not as far fetched as it seems- Joan Crawford adapted children for positive pr

  294. #noborders

    #nooneisillegal

    #istandbyparis

    #cognitivedissonance

  295. @Greasy William
    Lol wut? Steve is the most arbitrary censorer in the entire Alt Right. Everybody else on Unz either allows anything to go through or at least you'll know what will and won't pass Komment Kontrol. With Steve it is like quantum mechanics, totally random.

    Steve blows.

    C’mon, man. It’s his blog, and he says explicitly “Comments moderated at whim”.

    I personally think his moderation is pretty liberal. He lets through a lot of “the jews did it” stuff that I would not were it my blog.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Are you Jewish?
  296. @NickG
    Plenty of Syrians and Lebanese are blond or have complexions that would easily pass for native Northern European.

    Thank God for all that White slavery

  297. @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin
    Perhaps both are right. Maybe the West is stuck in a fog of bureacracy.
    The War Nerd described western strategy in Syria as:

    “Hit Sunni targets east of the coastal hills, but ignore everything to the west; help the Kurds in the north, but grudgingly, as little as possible, for fear you’ll offend Turkey; and while you’re attacking Assad’s enemies, keep reassuring the Israelis that you’re just as anti-Assad as you are anti-Islamic State.”
     
    and

    The crazy US policy of ignoring Sunni militias in the west made for some fat, soft targets. No wonder the Russian air force jumped at the chance to intervene. They must’ve spent months drooling over drone and satellite photos from the west, between Homs and Aleppo—targets totally untouched by the USAF.
    Until the Russians jumped in, Sunni militias in the west only had to deal with the incompetents in Assad’s rump of an air force. Those guys aren’t good for anything but dropping barrel bombs on crowded tenement neighborhoods; any decently dug-in troops could laugh at their attacks.
    Then the Russians decided it was time to show, Gulf War style, that they had some fancy shock-and-awe munitions of their own. These belated colonial wars are, among other things, great sales videos for arms exporters like the US and Russia.
     
    Source http://archive.is/E1Sv0

    Also Ron you try and lure John Dolan to unz, he'd be a great addition

    Also Ron you try and lure John Dolan to unz, he’d be a great addition

    But not as John Dolan, I don’t like him that much… as Gary Brecher, the WAR NERD!!!!

  298. @Jefferson
    "Chechens are frequently blond."

    Chechens are not Arabs. Hence why you don't see any Chechens who look like Osama Bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Circassia, former home of the stereotypically beautiful slave girls and odalisques of the Ottoman Empire, is in the North Caucasus. The Circassian beauty stereotype was still selling soap in the US a hundred years ago. I’ve seen a few and they deserve their reputations. Their displacement and disappearance from the world stage should be a lesson for the Swedes.

  299. @CK
    Suicide is rarely a survival technique. Young suicides do not leave a DNA trace to echo down the corridors of time.

    But it’s useful if you have a lot of useless young males around who might put 2 and 2 together as to why it’s so hard for them to find a wife and attain respectability while you have 4 wives plus concubines.

  300. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…many women in the West find it unthinkable that there are hetero men in the world who can’t be controlled by whether Western women decide to kiss them, etc., or not. Especially if they think they are attractive and can always get men to do what they want. I suspect that deep down they expect the “magic dirt” of the West to be real, because they assume it is that female preferences (their preferences) that shape all behaviour…”

    Madonna flat comes out and articulates it:

    “Madonna Wrong To Think Terrorists Will Stop By Giving Them “Dignity And Respect” And “Love Unconditionally””, Gossip Cop, Staff, November 15th, 2015:

    “…in Stockholm, Sweden… she… told the audience at the Tele2 Arena… …among the reasons for these senseless acts of violence is that we don’t treat “every human being with dignity and respect.”

    “…we will never ever, ever change this world that we live in if we do not change ourselves, if we do not change the way that we treat one another on a daily basis.” … “We must start treating every human being with dignity and respect, and this the only thing that will change the world… Only love will change the world, but it’s very hard to love unconditionally, and it’s very hard to love that which we do not understand or that which is different than we are, but we have to or this will go on and on forever.”

    She is frank enough to say it outright. Battered-women Stockholm Syndrome as foreign policy. If we can just figure out how to love them enough, it will all be all right! Maybe if everybody has enough sex they will just all go home exhausted or something. I’m sure she actually believes it and probably isn’t capable of changing her mind on the subject.

  301. @Jefferson
    " Russia has NOT been fighting ISIS in Syria."

    Even the Kurds have murdered more ISIS members than the Russian military. They are suppose to be one of most powerful military nations on the planet, yet the Russian military sure are behaving like paper tigers regarding ISIS.

    The Russians only act tough when they bully other White Christian nations like Georgia and Ukraine. When it comes to Islamic nations harboring terrorist organizations, the Russian military behave like beta males.

    Russia has no interest in fighting ISIS. Russia is there to support Assad, and Assad and Russia have no interest in fighting ISIS. Their interest is in fighting anti-Assad regime rebels and opponents, which is something like 70% of the Syrian population.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    You've been watching the corporate media whores of the West again.
    The majority of Syrians support Assad

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrians-support-bashar-al-assad/5405208
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/04/syrian-election-shows-depth-popular-support-for-assad-even-among-sunni-majority/

    In fact, you have it exactly ass backward: 70% of Syrians support Assad.
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023586203
    , @Giuseppe
    I see your are suffering your delusions again. I prescribe laying off WaPo for a few days, and then see if you start to feel better.
  302. @Jim Don Bob
    C'mon, man. It's his blog, and he says explicitly "Comments moderated at whim".

    I personally think his moderation is pretty liberal. He lets through a lot of "the jews did it" stuff that I would not were it my blog.

    Are you Jewish?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Scots
  303. Oh, lookie, “The Syrians did it” seems to be falling apart

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-15/false-flag-link-passport-found-next-suicide-bomber-was-fake-claim-us-french-sources

    Syrian Passport “Found” Next To Suicide Bomber Was “Definitely A Forgery”

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    Syrian Passport “Found” Next To Suicide Bomber Was “Definitely A Forgery”
     
    I read that. But even if it is true that the Syrian passport was fake, isn't the issue of fake Syrian passports part of the problem with the current migration? I've heard reports that many thousands of people, some of whom don't even resemble the Syrian phenotype, are trying to enter Europe masquerading as Syrian refugees.

    So to me the issue of the terrorist having a fake Syrian passport doesn't mean the current migration is harmless to Europe. It just reinforces our concerns that the situation has gotten out of control and is subject to abuse, whether by actual Syrians or phony ones..
    , @German_reader
    Doesn't matter, it is well-known that fake Syrian passports are for sale in the Mideast...what matters is that someone with that passport landed as a "refugee" in Greece.
    , @AnAnon
    I'd imagine that easily 60% of the Syrian passports coming into Europe these days are forgeries.
  304. @Anonymous
    Russia has no interest in fighting ISIS. Russia is there to support Assad, and Assad and Russia have no interest in fighting ISIS. Their interest is in fighting anti-Assad regime rebels and opponents, which is something like 70% of the Syrian population.

    You’ve been watching the corporate media whores of the West again.
    The majority of Syrians support Assad

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrians-support-bashar-al-assad/5405208
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/04/syrian-election-shows-depth-popular-support-for-assad-even-among-sunni-majority/

    In fact, you have it exactly ass backward: 70% of Syrians support Assad.
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023586203

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    In fact, you have it exactly ass backward: 70% of Syrians support Assad.
     
    Nah, c'mon, they support the liver-eating terrorists sent in by foreign governments to terrorise them. They are masochists. (You know... HBD....)
  305. @Clyde

    And what is the clever neologism for people who are taken in by every false flag?
    How about “stupid”?
     
    Blame Ron Paul's 2008 run in the Republican presidential primaries and his young Paulistas. They popularized the term. Amazingly enough the Paulista push for marijuana legalization goes hand in hand with the sharp rise in their sightings of "false flag" operations. The Mossad tops their list of entities behind false flag operations.

    Blame Ron Paul’s 2008 run in the Republican presidential primaries and his young Paulistas. They popularized the term.

    Ron Paul is indeed an old man, but he is not old enough to have invented the concept of false flag terrorism.

    The Mossad tops their list of entities behind false flag operations.

    So is your position that Mossad is not behind any false flag operations or do you simply object to them being the ones who top the list? Who should top the list, in your opinion?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Who do you like more? The Mossad or The Jihad?
  306. @SFG
    Not every operation is a false flag.

    Steve (if you're still reading this), can you maybe give your readers an introduction to the concepts of sensitivity and specificity, and the tradeoffs between them? It applies to rape accusations (fewer false negatives usually means false positives, so affirmative consent means more men get thrown out of college for fake reasons), conspiracies (the more conspiracies you catch by being paranoid, the more fake ones you'll believe in), and even stereotypes (claiming you want to avoid false positives by not believing in any stereotypes also means you get no true positives, i.e. true inferences about group behavior). It even applies to your statements about the Gap and how the only way to have a test with no differences in racial results is to pass or fail everyone.

    Given how your stuff seems to mysteriously appear in the MSM several weeks later, you might get some real statistical acumen into the public. Small progress, I know, but I think if more people are able to think using these concepts they might be a little better at Noticing.

    Not every operation is a false flag

    Maybe not. Couple of questions, if you will…

    First of all, are you conceding in the above statement that some of the operations are indeed false flags? Yes? No? If the answer is yes, which ones?

    And could you tell us which is the highest profile “Islamist” terror attack that you are confident was not a false flag?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "First of all, are you conceding in the above statement that some of the operations are indeed false flags? Yes? No? If the answer is yes, which ones?"

    Are you willing to concede that some are not? If so, which ones? Oh, and also, was the Moon landing a hoax? Your answer to that would tell us a lot about you and whether your opinion is worth a damn. Feel free to quote Dave McGowan all you like.

  307. “And they met with murderers who hate this life of freedom.”

    Nooooooooo! They hate us for our freedoms!

  308. @TheLatestInDecay
    My son's school just sent a memo entitled "Talking To Your Son About Paris" which contained the following advice: "Limit using the internet as an investigative tool about this incident – some written reports are less regulated than the newspapers and may include untrue/inappropriate information."

    “Limit using the internet as an investigative tool about this incident – some written reports are less regulated than the newspapers and may include untrue/inappropriate information.”

    Translation: “Limit using the internet as an investigative tool about this incident – some written reports are less controlled than the newspapers and may actually tell the truth.”

    • Agree: CJ
  309. @Anonymous
    Russia has no interest in fighting ISIS. Russia is there to support Assad, and Assad and Russia have no interest in fighting ISIS. Their interest is in fighting anti-Assad regime rebels and opponents, which is something like 70% of the Syrian population.

    I see your are suffering your delusions again. I prescribe laying off WaPo for a few days, and then see if you start to feel better.

  310. @Bill Jones
    You've been watching the corporate media whores of the West again.
    The majority of Syrians support Assad

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrians-support-bashar-al-assad/5405208
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/04/syrian-election-shows-depth-popular-support-for-assad-even-among-sunni-majority/

    In fact, you have it exactly ass backward: 70% of Syrians support Assad.
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023586203

    In fact, you have it exactly ass backward: 70% of Syrians support Assad.

    Nah, c’mon, they support the liver-eating terrorists sent in by foreign governments to terrorise them. They are masochists. (You know… HBD….)

  311. @Bies Podkrakowski
    However none of those propositions sound as good as xenophobe. They are long and sound like medical description of illness (and in fact they may be).

    Meanwhile xenophobe is short, precise and has this sexy, modern, spacey-age "x". You can shout it as a curse at your adversaries during demonstrations.

    One way to cope with this is to take an example from gays and re-appropriate "xenophobe":)

    Wear it proudly, make it a badge of honor and common sense. Say to the shocked people: "I'am a xeno! And don't you dare judge me you bourgeoise miseautogenist!"

    miseautogenist

    Congratulations. I googled this term to see if anyone else had used it and the only hit was to this thread.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    My life is complete then. Thank you CuiPertinebit.
  312. @Bert
    The fact that Steve isn't approving some of your comments may be due to the fact that you don't really know jack crap about anything you talk about and everything you say is based on the most laughably superficial of observations. Such as your belief that no Hispanic could possibly want to be called white or consider themselves white because some character on Modern Family (who isn't real) insists on not being called white. A fictional character. On a TV show.

    It's also telling how you mentioned AR and Yahoo. I'm not surprised you'd prefer those sites considering their both festering shitholes full of autistic WNs and spamming repetitive idiots. You certainly would fit in much better over there.

    But please, feel free to continue believing that you contribute valuable thoughts.

    “The fact that Steve isn’t approving some of your comments may be due to the fact that you don’t really know jack crap about anything you talk about and everything you say is based on the most laughably superficial of observations.”

    I know exactly what I am talking about. It is 100 percent fact if you dropped off blond haired and blue eyed Northern European American WASP Kid Rock in any Arab country he would stick out like a sore thumb.

    Whenever the news show images of Syrian and other Arab refugees pouring into Europe, how many blonds did you see among those refugees?

    Go to the poor Muslim housing projects in Paris and tell me how many blond Aryan Nordic phenotypes you see.

    If blonds were so common in Arab countries, WASP Nordic Supremacist websites like Stormfront and VNN would be pro-massive Arab immigration into Europe but they are not. The Northern Europeans in these websites often refer to Arabs as dirty Semites and dirty Sand N Words. Those do not sound like the type of racial slurs that would someone would use to describe a group that has a high percentage of blondism.

    • Replies: @Bert
    Obviously you're one of those guys who thinks that because he posts an endless number of times that somehow makes him a valuable and popular member of the community. Well, you're not. You're terrible, awful, and worthless, and nobody here likes you.
    , @Bert
    You're an idiot.
  313. @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin
    Perhaps both are right. Maybe the West is stuck in a fog of bureacracy.
    The War Nerd described western strategy in Syria as:

    “Hit Sunni targets east of the coastal hills, but ignore everything to the west; help the Kurds in the north, but grudgingly, as little as possible, for fear you’ll offend Turkey; and while you’re attacking Assad’s enemies, keep reassuring the Israelis that you’re just as anti-Assad as you are anti-Islamic State.”
     
    and

    The crazy US policy of ignoring Sunni militias in the west made for some fat, soft targets. No wonder the Russian air force jumped at the chance to intervene. They must’ve spent months drooling over drone and satellite photos from the west, between Homs and Aleppo—targets totally untouched by the USAF.
    Until the Russians jumped in, Sunni militias in the west only had to deal with the incompetents in Assad’s rump of an air force. Those guys aren’t good for anything but dropping barrel bombs on crowded tenement neighborhoods; any decently dug-in troops could laugh at their attacks.
    Then the Russians decided it was time to show, Gulf War style, that they had some fancy shock-and-awe munitions of their own. These belated colonial wars are, among other things, great sales videos for arms exporters like the US and Russia.
     
    Source http://archive.is/E1Sv0

    Also Ron you try and lure John Dolan to unz, he'd be a great addition

    Also Ron you try and lure John Dolan to unz, he’d be a great addition

    I hope you don’t mean John Terry Dolan, the direct mail wizard who founded NCPAC. He led a double life and died from “complications from AIDS” in 1986.

  314. @Sleep
    Lots of Arabs and other Muslims around here seem to marry blonde women. So at least some of their children will have blonde hair, and will almost certainly be raised Muslims. And yes, there are also naturally light-haired Muslims ... not so many around here, but I've heard that in France there is a large community of "Caucasians" (i.e. from the mountains) and that surely includes Muslim tribes such as Chechens. Bosnia is another example of a nation of people that look like typical Europeans but are predominantly Muslims.

    Bosnians are descendants of Slavs who converted to Islam during Islamic rule of the Balkan Peninsula.

    • Replies: @Giuseppe
    Similarly, Orthodox Albanians largely converted to Islam under the Ottomans.
    , @iSteveFan

    Bosnians are descendants of Slavs who converted to Islam during Islamic rule of the Balkan Peninsula.
     
    I always find it odd that Bosniaks seek to emigrate to nations created by Christians. My home state has the largest number of Bosniaks in the nation. I often wonder if they realize the hypocrisy of their decision to seek refuge in our lands. I mean a few hundred years ago their ancestors were Christians who sold out their fellow Christians by converting and then supporting the Ottomans. In effect they wished for all of Europe to suffer the same fate as the Balkans. Yet today instead of seeking refuge in Turkey, they seek it in the lands that remained Christian and free.
  315. @Bill Jones
    Oh, lookie, "The Syrians did it" seems to be falling apart

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-15/false-flag-link-passport-found-next-suicide-bomber-was-fake-claim-us-french-sources

    Syrian Passport "Found" Next To Suicide Bomber Was "Definitely A Forgery"

    Syrian Passport “Found” Next To Suicide Bomber Was “Definitely A Forgery”

    I read that. But even if it is true that the Syrian passport was fake, isn’t the issue of fake Syrian passports part of the problem with the current migration? I’ve heard reports that many thousands of people, some of whom don’t even resemble the Syrian phenotype, are trying to enter Europe masquerading as Syrian refugees.

    So to me the issue of the terrorist having a fake Syrian passport doesn’t mean the current migration is harmless to Europe. It just reinforces our concerns that the situation has gotten out of control and is subject to abuse, whether by actual Syrians or phony ones..

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    " I’ve heard reports that many thousands of people, some of whom don’t even resemble the Syrian phenotype,"

    Lebanon and Syria produces its share of extremely racially exotic phenotypes. Look at this Lebanese woman Brigitte Gabriel for example, she can easily pass for a Mulatta or a South Asian Indian.
    https://flyoverculturedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/brigitte-gabriel.jpg
    https://www.glc.us.com/glcmedia/profiles/gif/brigitte_gabriel.png
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-4-HdVFbnw8/maxresdefault.jpg

    Her lips are quite big for a supposed "Caucasoid" woman. She must be one of those Arab Levantines with Sub Saharan African admixture.

    Even Mariah Carey and Rashida Jones look Whiter than the Lebanese Brigitte Gabriel.

  316. @CK
    Suicide is rarely a survival technique. Young suicides do not leave a DNA trace to echo down the corridors of time.

    CK, Yes, you can not procreate after you’ve disintegrated yourself, but you can leave progeny before you die.

  317. @Svigor
    I mean, consider "self-hating Jew," it's almost never accurate as used. It almost always means "Jew who isn't racist enough."

    I mean, consider “self-hating Jew,” it’s almost never accurate as used. It almost always means “Jew who isn’t racist enough.”’

    Exactly. Part of the beauty of that epithet is that it sends the receiver into paroxysms of justification, as it may be somewhat accurate but it is not accurate enough. So the recipient is compelled to either tacitly ignore/accept it, or go into a lengthy and defensive, not overly convincing diatribe that may bore and confuse the listener.

    Just like the epithet ‘racist’ really. It doesn’t accurately describe who we are but there are elements that do, so one is compelled to do one of two relatively unsatisfactory things.

  318. @rod1963
    Ron Unz

    ISIS has attacked the West previously, you just weren't paying attention. ISIS is part mind set brought by reading the Koran and inspires a man to take up Jihad. The Koran is what radicalizes Muslims. Because the Koran is what orders Muslims to attack and kill unbelievers, not ISIS.

    ISIS is just Islam in it's most observant form. This is never talked about on MSM for obvious reasons.

    Nor do you need to train with ISIS to be part of it, it's basically a franchise operate with low entry fees. Just go out and wage jihad and die in the process so as to become a martyr and you're golden.

    Take the Muzzie who knifed the students at the community college was a ISIS affiliate. The Muzzie who shot up the school was a Muslim terrorist(most information on him has never been released so it's safe to say he was a jihadi/ISIS affiliate like the knife attacker). Then there is the Chattanooga shooter - another Muslim(and again little information released on him or family background, safe to say then that he had connections to ISIS or AQ).

    The point is this is Islam we're dealing with. Jihad or war against unbelievers is part and parcel of it.

    France was attacked not because they or the Russians were attacking Muzzies in Syria, they were attacked because they were infidels. It's as simple as that.

    BTW Franch authorities were on high alert prior to the attack they knew full well there was going to be a attack, they just didn't know where exactly. They knew for months.

    “France was attacked not because they or the Russians were attacking Muzzies in Syria, they were attacked because they were infidels. It’s as simple as that.”

    Indeed you are correct. Muslim terrorists want to kill as many Infidel Non Muslims regardless of whether or not they are from a country that is dropping drones on Muslim countries.

    Look at the Islamic terrorist attack in Spain for example, and Spain is not exactly a hawkish Neo-con country.

    Islamic terrorists would commit terrorist attacks on Japan if they could. The only reason they haven’t yet is because Japan has a “racist” immigration policy that wants to keep out as many Ahmed’s as possible.

    The Arab Muslim population in Japan is so low that you have a higher chance of bumping into an Arab Muslim in Oklahoma City than you do in Osaka.

  319. @Hibernian
    Bosnians are descendants of Slavs who converted to Islam during Islamic rule of the Balkan Peninsula.

    Similarly, Orthodox Albanians largely converted to Islam under the Ottomans.

  320. @Hibernian
    Bosnians are descendants of Slavs who converted to Islam during Islamic rule of the Balkan Peninsula.

    Bosnians are descendants of Slavs who converted to Islam during Islamic rule of the Balkan Peninsula.

    I always find it odd that Bosniaks seek to emigrate to nations created by Christians. My home state has the largest number of Bosniaks in the nation. I often wonder if they realize the hypocrisy of their decision to seek refuge in our lands. I mean a few hundred years ago their ancestors were Christians who sold out their fellow Christians by converting and then supporting the Ottomans. In effect they wished for all of Europe to suffer the same fate as the Balkans. Yet today instead of seeking refuge in Turkey, they seek it in the lands that remained Christian and free.

  321. @Jack D
    1. Never take what a Russian leader tells you at face value. Whether a statement serves their goals is far more important than whether it is true or not. If what a Russian tells you happens to be true, it's just a coincidence.

    2. Russia has NOT been fighting ISIS in Syria. They give lip service (see #1) to fighting ISIS but most of their raids have been against other factions. Their goal is to keep Assad in power - they could care less about ISIS per se.

    3. Until the raid on Pearl Harbor, the Japanese had not attacked the West, then they did. It wasn't because we were arming them up until that point.

    4. It's very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent - it's easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.

    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of “crazy conspiracy theories” perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain “the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site” that apparently so irritates “Svigor.”

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it’s become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly “unreliable,” so it’s very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they’re wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here’s another interesting development from just the last few years. It’s clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of “conspiracy theories,” which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they’re correct and maybe they aren’t.

    Over time, I’ve gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those “crazy conspiracy theories.” These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here’s one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a “crazy conspiracy theory” of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in “crazy things.”

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I’d guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in “crazy things,” well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they’re not.

    I’m sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they’re certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing “the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists” and praising Donald Trump…

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Here’s one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a “crazy conspiracy theory” of 9/11.
     
    Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who resigned as President after it was revealed that he had been involved with Operation Gladio, the Cold War program for fighting a hypothetical Soviet invasion of Europe that got linked with various terrorist bombings in Europe that were blamed on domestic communists, claimed that 9/11 was a CIA and Mossad operation:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20100821074643/http://www.bloomberg.com:80/news/2010-08-17/francesco-cossiga-italy-s-combative-former-president-dies-at-age-82.html
    , @Jefferson
    "I’m sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they’re certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing “the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists” and praising Donald Trump…"

    Ron Unz as a Jew will you move to Israel if Donald Trump becomes POTUS? After all you do not see his views on immigration as being Kosher in your eyes.
    , @Desiderius

    a “crazy conspiracy theory” of 9/11
     
    An "inside job" is highly unlikely.

    The inside not doing their job is so likely as to be commonplace.

    Both produce the same result.

    If that result was intended, the latter would not have been difficult to arrange.
    , @anonymous
    One problem is that the waters get muddied by goofballs who come up with outlandish claims that compete for one's attention alongside of the more rationally thought out 'theories'. Sometimes people feel it's too much of an information overload to try to sift through it all and just dismiss everything out of hand.
    , @Anonym
    I agree with that perspective, Ron. It does not surprise me at all. Very often those higher up on the totem pole are privy to information not given to others, for all sorts of reasons that make sense. In my youth I once met a senior aerospace engineer who seemed perfectly rational until he mentioned UFOs. Now I realize that he was probably talking about classified projects with a UFO cover story, and that naturally he would be interested in what they were.

    Not every suspected conspiracy is a conspiracy, but where there is smoke oftentimes there is probably fire.

    I quite like Trump though, and would prefer that the Mexicans, rapist or otherwise, stay on their side of the border. Thanks for hosting Steve and your other guests.
    , @JohnnyWalker123

    Here’s one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a “crazy conspiracy theory” of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in “crazy things.”

     

    Out of curiosity, could you elaborate on his theory?
    , @Hippopotamusdrome

    So they’re certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing “the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists” and praising Donald Trump…

     

    Denouncing Mexican rapists:

    California police chief says 'blood trail' runs from Washington to bedroom of murdered woman
    ... August 08, 2015
    ...
    Pharis, of Santa Maria, was asleep in her bed after working the night shift at a satellite office for the Vandenberg Air Force Base when two men allegedly broke into her home at 9:45 a.m., bashed her head with a claw hammer, strangled and raped her with a foreign object and left her for dead, according to police. Pharis survived to call 911, but died days later in a local hospital.
    ...
    Two suspects have been arrested, including Victor Aureliano Martinez Ramirez, 29, an illegal immigrant from Durango Canatlan, Mexico. Ramirez has been arrested six times in last 15 months, for crimes including sexual assault, possession of methamphetamine and weapons and driving without a license. His most recent arrest occurred just eight days before the attack on Pharis.
    ...
    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement admitted in a statement it did not issue an immigration detainer, which would have led to deportation, for Ramirez following the most recent arrest.
    ...
    Ramirez and fellow suspect in Pharis’ killing Jose Fernando Villagomez, 20, were apprehended by local law enforcement with the help of a police service dog, but not before Ramirez broke into another nearby home, confronting a mother and her three young children, police said. The mother managed to lock herself in a bedroom and call 9-1-1, and both men were apprehended shortly afterward, according to police.
    ...
    Ramirez was on probation for a May 22, 2014 arrest for felony assault with the intent to commit sexual assault while in possession of a controlled substance.

     

    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Over time, I’ve gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those “crazy conspiracy theories.”
     
    Properly understood, the above had a certain redundant quality to it, does it not?

    I mean, if the aforementioned people *loudly* and *publicly* professed said beliefs, rather than "quietly and privately", they would no longer be in the elite/establishment, would they!?

    (Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is a prime case in point, no?)

    , @Hippopotamusdrome

    go back to their usual pastime of ... praising Donald Trump…

     

    ...

    Donald Trump Says Paris Victims Should Have Had Guns

    Trump praises 'Operation Wetback'

    Trump Suggests Boycotting Starbucks Over Red Christmas Cups

    Donald Trump suggests boycotting Starbucks over red holiday cups, then admits, 'Seriously, I don't care'
    ...
    Republican presidential contender Donald Trump is suggesting boycotting Starbucks over the minimalist design of its annual holiday cups.

    "Did you read about Starbucks? No more Merry Christmas on Starbucks,"
    ...
    He said on Monday that: "If I become president, we're all going to be saying, 'Merry Christmas' again. That I can tell you."
    ...
    He added that Starbucks operates a store in one of his buildings and that "that's the end of that lease, but who cares?"

     

    , @AnAnon
    I have to share Sailer's belief that conspiracies are how things get done.
    , @Chrisnonymous

    glancing
     
    I wasted a lot of time trying to dig on your Tokyo Rose article, but there was nothing there.

    many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of “conspiracy theories,”
     
    I am very open to conspiracy theories, but they have to do a good job of explaining things, which means accounting for facts, being based on facts, and being coherent and plausible.

    Some of what you publish is well-reasoned and based on facts/data. But then you throw out theories full of words like "might" and "maybe" and suggestions and unverifiable claims and reasoning from what appear to be implausible assumptions. How do we distinguish these theories from other, incorrect, conspiracy theories, or is the point just to doubt to signal that we don't believe the MSM?
  322. @Bill Jones
    Oh, lookie, "The Syrians did it" seems to be falling apart

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-15/false-flag-link-passport-found-next-suicide-bomber-was-fake-claim-us-french-sources

    Syrian Passport "Found" Next To Suicide Bomber Was "Definitely A Forgery"

    Doesn’t matter, it is well-known that fake Syrian passports are for sale in the Mideast…what matters is that someone with that passport landed as a “refugee” in Greece.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    It does matter.

    This event will be used to support two different actions:
    1. To end/reduce the flow of Syrian passport holders into Europe.
    2. As a excuse to attack Syria.

    A fake passport legitimately supports only the former.
  323. @Clyde

    And what is the clever neologism for people who are taken in by every false flag?
    How about “stupid”?
     
    Blame Ron Paul's 2008 run in the Republican presidential primaries and his young Paulistas. They popularized the term. Amazingly enough the Paulista push for marijuana legalization goes hand in hand with the sharp rise in their sightings of "false flag" operations. The Mossad tops their list of entities behind false flag operations.

    Never blame RP. He alone among the GOP knows what the hell he is talking about, if that means anything.

  324. @iSteveFan

    Syrian Passport “Found” Next To Suicide Bomber Was “Definitely A Forgery”
     
    I read that. But even if it is true that the Syrian passport was fake, isn't the issue of fake Syrian passports part of the problem with the current migration? I've heard reports that many thousands of people, some of whom don't even resemble the Syrian phenotype, are trying to enter Europe masquerading as Syrian refugees.

    So to me the issue of the terrorist having a fake Syrian passport doesn't mean the current migration is harmless to Europe. It just reinforces our concerns that the situation has gotten out of control and is subject to abuse, whether by actual Syrians or phony ones..

    ” I’ve heard reports that many thousands of people, some of whom don’t even resemble the Syrian phenotype,”

    Lebanon and Syria produces its share of extremely racially exotic phenotypes. Look at this Lebanese woman Brigitte Gabriel for example, she can easily pass for a Mulatta or a South Asian Indian.https://www.glc.us.com/glcmedia/profiles/gif/brigitte_gabriel.png
    Her lips are quite big for a supposed “Caucasoid” woman. She must be one of those Arab Levantines with Sub Saharan African admixture.

    Even Mariah Carey and Rashida Jones look Whiter than the Lebanese Brigitte Gabriel.

  325. @Grumpy
    In another example of interesting timing, this week the student government at the University of Minnesota voted not to commemorate 9/11 on campus.

    Student politician David Algadi explained why he was happy with the vote:

    First off, I want to say that 9/11 is and always will be a tragedy. I can recognize that. But I think that we need to permit ourselves to dig deeper than just this.

    9/11 is often used as reasoning for Islamophobia that takes both physical and verbal forms. The passing of this resolution might make a space that is unsafe for students on campus even more unsafe. Islamophobia and racism … are alive and well. I just don’t think that we can act like something like a moment of silence for 9/11 would exist in a vacuum when worldwide, Muslim and Middle Eastern folks undergo intense acts of terrorism around the 11th of September each year, and have since 2001.

    In addition there is a particular racial politic present wherein when folks of color do something it becomes a stereotype, when white folks do something it becomes forgotten. Dylann Roof? James Eagan Holmes? Joseph Stack? Timothy McVeigh? When will we start having moments of silence for all of the times white folks have done something terrible?
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/11/15/u-minnesota-student-government-rejects-annual-recognition-of-911-citing-in-part-potential-perpetuation-of-islamophobia/

    Grumpy, This man is delusional. Does he think that they won’t memorialize the slaughter by Dylan Roof at the AME Church in SC…..I want to hear him tell those folks to get over it.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Grumpy, This man is delusional. Does he think that they won’t memorialize the slaughter by Dylan Roof at the AME Church in SC…..I want to hear him tell those folks to get over it."

    Only Black Lies Matter, excuse I mean only Black Lives Matter. Since the majority of people who were murdered on 9/11 were not Black, their lives are worth less than a poop swastika.

    The majority of Black people live in a Negro bubble and they don't care about/show no compassion for tragedies that do not specifically racially affect their group. To most Black people the shooting of Michael Brown and poop swastika in a Mizzou restroom is worst than the 2 Paris terrorist attacks, 9/11, The Holocaust, The Boston Bombing, The Great Depression, The 1918 flu pandemic, Bombing of Hiroshima & Nagasaki, The Soviet famine, and The Armenian genocide combined.

    Blacks acted like Jesus Christ was hammered to a cross when thug life Michael Brown was killed.

  326. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
     
    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of "crazy conspiracy theories" perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain "the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site" that apparently so irritates "Svigor."

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it's become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly "unreliable," so it's very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they're wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here's another interesting development from just the last few years. It's clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of "conspiracy theories," which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they're correct and maybe they aren't.

    Over time, I've gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those "crazy conspiracy theories." These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here's one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a "crazy conspiracy theory" of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in "crazy things."

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I'd guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in "crazy things," well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they're not.

    I'm sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they're certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing "the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists" and praising Donald Trump...

    Here’s one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a “crazy conspiracy theory” of 9/11.

    Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who resigned as President after it was revealed that he had been involved with Operation Gladio, the Cold War program for fighting a hypothetical Soviet invasion of Europe that got linked with various terrorist bombings in Europe that were blamed on domestic communists, claimed that 9/11 was a CIA and Mossad operation:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20100821074643/http://www.bloomberg.com:80/news/2010-08-17/francesco-cossiga-italy-s-combative-former-president-dies-at-age-82.html

  327. Isis is said to derive much of its income from sales of oil, produced by wells in its territory.

    I don’t understand why the well heads have not been destroyed – by some of the thousands of bombing sorties conducted by multiple countries.

  328. @Ron Unz

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
     
    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of "crazy conspiracy theories" perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain "the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site" that apparently so irritates "Svigor."

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it's become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly "unreliable," so it's very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they're wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here's another interesting development from just the last few years. It's clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of "conspiracy theories," which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they're correct and maybe they aren't.

    Over time, I've gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those "crazy conspiracy theories." These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here's one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a "crazy conspiracy theory" of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in "crazy things."

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I'd guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in "crazy things," well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they're not.

    I'm sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they're certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing "the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists" and praising Donald Trump...

    “I’m sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they’re certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing “the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists” and praising Donald Trump…”

    Ron Unz as a Jew will you move to Israel if Donald Trump becomes POTUS? After all you do not see his views on immigration as being Kosher in your eyes.

  329. @Intelligent Dasein

    I am tired of Steve constantly censoring my posts when I am not anymore controversial than anybody else here.
     
    I'm tired of it too, and I know exactly how you feel. Sometimes my comments simply disappear, or they are sitting around in the moderation queue for hours while other ranting and substance-less posts are given a pass. This isn't right.

    I admit that I've never donated any money directly to iSteve, but I have given several hundred dollars to VDARE over the years because I think they do important work, and as I understand it they also assist Steve Sailer. So some of my material support has at least indirectly made it to Steve.

    Presumably bloggers think that having a comments section is a good thing, insofar as the comments add invaluable content to help leverage their own work while also building up a community of like-minded, emotionally invested people, and they do it all pro bono. Bloggers are also constantly exhorting us to "hit the tip jar."

    Well I have. I have hit the tip jar. I am a working man without a lot of money or time to spare. If I'm going to spend 20 minutes to an hour composing a post, I would at least like it to be seen. The message I'm getting is that my time and money simply aren't wanted here. Okay then.

    I understand your frustration. However without getting into a discussion of the merits of various posts it seems to be vital that comments be proactively vetted.

    Free posting easily degenerates into petty squabbles that amuse only the participants or the freedom acts as a magnate for elaborate conspiracy theories. Discussions are also killed by drive-by naysayers and excessive abusive.

    It seems likely that in the course of attempting to keep discussions lively and smart Steve will end up inflicting colateral damage on posts that in themselves are possibly quite alright. Given his time contraints he will inevitably be making snap decisions.

    The quality of the comments on iSteve is generally high but nevertheless variable and I would rather some of my comments not make it across the road than see the quality decline. Time for reading is limited.

    My suggestion would be that anyone who has spent time constructing a comment keep a copy so that it can be posted elsewhere if it doesn’t get through.

    • Replies: @Abe
    Please also don't forget that in a thread of 300+ comments, the only participants who've used their real names are Steve and Ron. Steve also has a son who's just started college, and doesn't need his education fund confiscated if some yahoo who starts something is found to have an incendiary comment from this blog in his browser cache.
  330. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Getting completely off-topic, congratulations to Holly Holmes. That was complete domination. And the final kick to the neck was one of the most precise I have ever seen. Holy shit, Ronda was out cold and fell flat on her face.

    As for Ronda Rousey, I leave her with this quote:

    “Those who never fall never learn how to get up.”

    – Alexander the Great

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    Sad that any male is watching or cares.
    I am happy to say i had no idea who either woman was before tonight.
  331. @oh its just me
    Yes, first the backlash stories, now MSM just needs an 'I'll ride with Aisha" type story of some brave liberal defending muslims against cisgender white male christian fanatics.

    “Yes, first the backlash stories, now MSM just needs an ‘I’ll ride with Aisha” type story of some brave liberal defending muslims against cisgender white male christian fanatics.”

    how about Aisha ride with white english girls raped or forced into proposition?

  332. @Anonymous
    Getting completely off-topic, congratulations to Holly Holmes. That was complete domination. And the final kick to the neck was one of the most precise I have ever seen. Holy shit, Ronda was out cold and fell flat on her face.

    As for Ronda Rousey, I leave her with this quote:

    "Those who never fall never learn how to get up."

    - Alexander the Great

    Sad that any male is watching or cares.
    I am happy to say i had no idea who either woman was before tonight.

  333. @Chrisnonymous
    Steve,

    I see Peter Beinart at The Atlantic is making an argument similar to Mr. Unz's.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/11/isis-paris-attacks-rubio-republicans/416085/

    He claims we are not in Huntington-esque clash of civilizations and then goes on to explain that Islamists saw Charlie Hebdo as an attack on Islam. How this is not the quintessential example of a clash of civilizations, I don't know.

    I think in the long run, conflict between ISIS and France/Russia would be inevitable. However, in the short run, he and Mr. Unz might be right that ISIS would focus more on the middle east and less on us if we weren't involved there.

    Still, in invade/invite, the current problem must have more to do with inviting than with invading.

    I find it odd that people keep trying to interpret what ISIS wants or why they do what they do.

    They release well written statements that lists why they target an area or building. Why cant we just take them at their word & leave it at that?

    • Replies: @Blair

    I find it odd that people keep trying to interpret what ISIS wants or why they do what they do.

    They release well written statements that lists why they target an area or building. Why cant we just take them at their word & leave it at that?
     
    comment of the day
    , @Bill B.
    But to believe their own eyes and ears progressives would run the risk of having to recognise an actual enemy and that might place them alongside people they consider "the real problem"

    Orwell in Notes on Nationalism:

    "In societies such as ours, it is unusual for anyone describable as an intellectual to feel a very deep attachment to his own country. Public opinion​ that is, the section of public opinion of which he as an intellectual is aware​ will not allow him to do so. Most of the people surrounding him are sceptical and disaffected, and he may adopt the same attitude from imitativeness or sheer cowardice...

    "It is, I think, true to say that the intelligentsia have been more wrong about the progress of the war than the common people, and that they were more swayed by partisan feelings. The average intellectual of the Left believed, for instance, that the war was lost in 1940, that the Germans were bound to overrun Egypt in 1942, that the Japanese would never be driven out of the lands they had conquered, and that the Anglo- American bombing offensive was making no impression on Germany. He could believe these things because his hatred for the British ruling class forbade him to admit that British plans could succeed. There is no limit to the follies that can be swallowed if one is under the influence of feelings of this kind. I have heard it confidently stated, for instance, that the American troops had been brought to Europe not to fight the Germans but to crush an English revolution. One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool."
  334. @oh its just me
    arafat's wife
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suha_Arafat

    bottle of Miss Clairol

  335. @Ed
    I find it odd that people keep trying to interpret what ISIS wants or why they do what they do.

    They release well written statements that lists why they target an area or building. Why cant we just take them at their word & leave it at that?

    I find it odd that people keep trying to interpret what ISIS wants or why they do what they do.

    They release well written statements that lists why they target an area or building. Why cant we just take them at their word & leave it at that?

    comment of the day

  336. @Ron Unz

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
     
    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of "crazy conspiracy theories" perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain "the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site" that apparently so irritates "Svigor."

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it's become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly "unreliable," so it's very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they're wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here's another interesting development from just the last few years. It's clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of "conspiracy theories," which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they're correct and maybe they aren't.

    Over time, I've gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those "crazy conspiracy theories." These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here's one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a "crazy conspiracy theory" of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in "crazy things."

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I'd guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in "crazy things," well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they're not.

    I'm sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they're certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing "the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists" and praising Donald Trump...

    a “crazy conspiracy theory” of 9/11

    An “inside job” is highly unlikely.

    The inside not doing their job is so likely as to be commonplace.

    Both produce the same result.

    If that result was intended, the latter would not have been difficult to arrange.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "An “inside job” is highly unlikely.

    The inside not doing their job is so likely as to be commonplace.

    Both produce the same result.

    If that result was intended, the latter would not have been difficult to arrange."

    Would you say French intelligence was incompetent? This is the second time French intelligence has fucked up in just 2015 alone.
    , @Anonymous
    Is it easy to steer a Boeing 767 going more than 500 mph into a specific building hundreds of miles away on the first go just with some flight training? I'm not a Truther but I've always wondered about that. I'm surprised they didn't have to make a few passes trying to aim the thing. I understand that it's heavily computerized, but is it that easy to steer?
  337. OT:
    Utah may be in danger of losing its vibrant Bhutanese immigrant community if Medicaid is not expanded:

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865641603/Are-some-refugees-fleeing-Utah-in-exodus-for-better-health-care-options.html

    From the article:

    “Family is a big part of our culture. Taking care of them is our very first priority,” he said. “It’s been a very hard time.”

    Neupane doesn’t think welfare programs should be free, but because he pays taxes, he wants to benefit from that in some way.

    It seems he mostly wants his family members – elderly and not working, and who have likely not payed any taxes, to benefit from that in some way.

  338. @Buffalo Joe
    Grumpy, This man is delusional. Does he think that they won't memorialize the slaughter by Dylan Roof at the AME Church in SC.....I want to hear him tell those folks to get over it.

    “Grumpy, This man is delusional. Does he think that they won’t memorialize the slaughter by Dylan Roof at the AME Church in SC…..I want to hear him tell those folks to get over it.”

    Only Black Lies Matter, excuse I mean only Black Lives Matter. Since the majority of people who were murdered on 9/11 were not Black, their lives are worth less than a poop swastika.

    The majority of Black people live in a Negro bubble and they don’t care about/show no compassion for tragedies that do not specifically racially affect their group. To most Black people the shooting of Michael Brown and poop swastika in a Mizzou restroom is worst than the 2 Paris terrorist attacks, 9/11, The Holocaust, The Boston Bombing, The Great Depression, The 1918 flu pandemic, Bombing of Hiroshima & Nagasaki, The Soviet famine, and The Armenian genocide combined.

    Blacks acted like Jesus Christ was hammered to a cross when thug life Michael Brown was killed.

  339. @Anonymous
    Ron,

    Spot on! As a retired military officer who spent a decade in the Middle East with an active role in Desert Storm, I'm very familiar with the desert wastes where Daesh thrives. I'm asking myself, Where does Daesh gets its money, food, water, munitions, weapons, vehicles, and communications gear for extended military operations (they have a world-class and very well-rounded logistical tail). Where do they get their impressive military, technical, and logistical expertise? Who provided Daesh with hundreds of Toyota Hilux pickup trucks essential for desert mobility? Who is providing the expertise and the logistics associated with advanced American oil extraction equipment that Daesh is using to pump and sell $50 million of oil a day from captured Syrian wells? More perplexing, where is Daesh selling the oil ... who is providing it with markets and laundering the proceeds?

    The countries surrounding Daesh's desert enclaves are Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, and Syria. The logistical "leaks" allowing Daesh to survive and thrive in these wastes have to be located in one or more of these countries with the full knowledge of the authorities (and Western intelligence agencies). The easiest and quickest way to destroy Daesh is to cut its logistical tail. That this hasn't already been done is the most perplexing question of them all.

    Right. “Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics.” Attributed to Napolean.

    The MSM has been studiously uninterested in finding out where ISIS is getting its “stuff”. Modern warfare, even at the ISIS level, requires lots of water, food, bullets, etc., Every Damn Day. Where are they getting this stuff?

    2) Why haven’t the thousands of sorties we have flown managed to interdict much if any of their logistical tail? There is nowhere easier than the desert to find and kill the bad guys. Blue skies and nowhere to hide.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    "The MSM has been studiously uninterested in finding out where ISIS is getting its “stuff”. Modern warfare, even at the ISIS level, requires lots of water, food, bullets, etc., Every Damn Day. Where are they getting this stuff?"

    I don't know, but a lot of their stuff says "U.S." on it, so I assume it comes from Upper Syria.
  340. Saying poop swastika in a restroom is as bad or worst than the mass slaughter of 129 innocent people is like saying getting get hit with a super soaker water gun is as bad or worst than getting lung cancer and the doctor telling you have less 1 year to live.

    There is seriously something mentally wrong with Black Social Justice Warriors. These people are not right in the head. They need to see a shrink.

  341. @Desiderius

    a “crazy conspiracy theory” of 9/11
     
    An "inside job" is highly unlikely.

    The inside not doing their job is so likely as to be commonplace.

    Both produce the same result.

    If that result was intended, the latter would not have been difficult to arrange.

    “An “inside job” is highly unlikely.

    The inside not doing their job is so likely as to be commonplace.

    Both produce the same result.

    If that result was intended, the latter would not have been difficult to arrange.”

    Would you say French intelligence was incompetent? This is the second time French intelligence has fucked up in just 2015 alone.

  342. @CK
    Suicide is rarely a survival technique. Young suicides do not leave a DNA trace to echo down the corridors of time.

    Suicide is rarely a survival technique. Young suicides do not leave a DNA trace to echo down the corridors of time.

    Celibacy is even worse, but Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Buddhism thrived until recently– when celibacy waned. What happened is the monks and nuns came from families of eight or ten or more, so their genes survived laterally.

    Suicide bombers do leave progeny around, but even if they didn’t, their fifteen or twenty siblings and half-siblings would ensure their genetic memory.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    YES, and furthermore the inbreeding/cousin-marriage reproductive strategy robustly produces and reinforces these geneflows. When everyone is so incestuously related to everyone else, they can genetically afford to lose x% of any generation to this sort of violence.

    Someone above said effectively that the HBD angle doesn't matter, it's now that's the problem.

    This is another misunderstanding of HBD.

    Humans create societies (environments) that reinforce their genetic tendencies which reinforce their societies.

    The whole point of HBD is the interplay between the socially constructed genetic and the genetically constructed social.

    By allowing Muslims into Western Civilization en masse, the latter is being re-engineered to resemble the former, and this will not give westerners a genetic edge.

    We are literally re-engineering our own environment, which formerly gave rise to our genome. We are re-engineering it to bolster the invaders' genome in a hundred different ways.

  343. If France starts experiencing Islamic terrorist attacks every year meaning if this becomes a yearly tradition just like Christmas and Easter, it will hurt the tourism industry if British, Australian, Canadian, American, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, tourists, etc start feeling like they will not be safe anymore vacationing in France. That will hurt France’s financial bottom if they see a huge dip in tourism money into their economy. Is maintaining Islamic Vibrant DIEversity more important than money the financial bottom line in the eyes of the capitalist French elites?

  344. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Over time, I’ve gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those “crazy conspiracy theories.”

    Ron, sadly one conclusion that you might take from this is that all humans, even at the top-most levels of the so-called elite, are really as clueless as the rest of us.

    How does that saying go? “May you never learn with what ignorance the word is really run.”?

    Maybe our problem is that on a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is enough intelligence to get by in the world, humans average about 4 and none of us are much higher than a 6. Yeah, we’re intelligent apes, but we aren’t intelligent enough apes, even at the top.

  345. @Doorway
    "As Mao said, “The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.”"

    Of course, if the leaders of the West had more sanity when it comes to immigration, the guerrilla would never have the opportunity to swim among the fish, and he'd have to contend himself with violent displays against others who practice a slightly different variant of the same religion around his home region. Let the sharks swim among the other sharks.

    Of course, if the leaders of the West had more sanity when it comes to immigration, the guerrilla would never have the opportunity to swim among the fish

    No, you dummy, it’s actually brilliant! To get X number of Muslim stool pigeons to work with our security services we first have to let in 100X highly-trained ISIS foot soldiers. Sure we’re gonna lose on every transaction , but we’ll just make it up on volume.*

    *variation of this argument I actually read in a mainstream journal back in the recently post -9/11 days

  346. @Jonathan Revusky

    Not every operation is a false flag
     
    Maybe not. Couple of questions, if you will...

    First of all, are you conceding in the above statement that some of the operations are indeed false flags? Yes? No? If the answer is yes, which ones?

    And could you tell us which is the highest profile "Islamist" terror attack that you are confident was not a false flag?

    “First of all, are you conceding in the above statement that some of the operations are indeed false flags? Yes? No? If the answer is yes, which ones?”

    Are you willing to concede that some are not? If so, which ones? Oh, and also, was the Moon landing a hoax? Your answer to that would tell us a lot about you and whether your opinion is worth a damn. Feel free to quote Dave McGowan all you like.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    Are you willing to concede that some are not?
     
    I see. You're trying to keep the conversation on am abstract level. Rather than tell me which high profile terrorist attacks specifically were not false flags, in your opinion, you want to discuss the abstract question of whether "some", without specifying which ones, are not false flags.

    I guess you realize that if the conversation gets concrete, you're on very weak ground.

    If so, which ones?
     
    The high profile terrorist incidents I've done some minimal research on, certainly including 9/11, 7/7, and the Charlie Hebdo incident, all seem to be clear false flags. Moreover, the people who claim angrily that they were not always turn out never to have investigated the question. Their position is simply that it is unthinkable that tide authorities could be lying.

    If you say that some are not false flags, you should be able to tell me which ones, no? Specifically, could you name the highest profile "Islamist" terrorist attack that toy are confident was not a false flag?
  347. @Jefferson
    Steve Sailer is an extreme hypocrite for criticizing Mizzou University for being pro-1st amendment for only freedom of of speech they approve of, when Steve is guilty of running his blog the same way. There is way more freedom of speech at Twitchy, American Renaissance, Taki Magazine, Stuff Black People Don't Like, and even Yahoo Answers comments section than there is here. There is even more freedom of speech at the African American discussion board Lipstick Alley despite them disagreeing with almost everything I say, but they still let me say it as long as I am not making threats to hurt anybody. I am actually surprised a discussion board run by an African American moderator would be so pro-1st amendment for speech she/he disagrees with.

    Oh fuck off, Jefferson.

  348. @SFG
    Not every operation is a false flag.

    Steve (if you're still reading this), can you maybe give your readers an introduction to the concepts of sensitivity and specificity, and the tradeoffs between them? It applies to rape accusations (fewer false negatives usually means false positives, so affirmative consent means more men get thrown out of college for fake reasons), conspiracies (the more conspiracies you catch by being paranoid, the more fake ones you'll believe in), and even stereotypes (claiming you want to avoid false positives by not believing in any stereotypes also means you get no true positives, i.e. true inferences about group behavior). It even applies to your statements about the Gap and how the only way to have a test with no differences in racial results is to pass or fail everyone.

    Given how your stuff seems to mysteriously appear in the MSM several weeks later, you might get some real statistical acumen into the public. Small progress, I know, but I think if more people are able to think using these concepts they might be a little better at Noticing.

    “Not every operation is a false flag.”

    To the “false-flag” crowd, everything is a false-flag. And you and I and everyone who does not share their delusions are all in on it. These are people who seemingly derive their world view from comic-books.

  349. @Jefferson
    "Chechens are frequently blond."

    Chechens are not Arabs. Hence why you don't see any Chechens who look like Osama Bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Jesus, Jefferson, it’s like you just can’t stop yourself. “Chechens are not Arabs. Hence why you don’t see any Chechens who look like Osama bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.” Ahmadinejad isn’t an Arab, Jefferson, he’s Persian, Iranian.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Jesus, Jefferson, it’s like you just can’t stop yourself. “Chechens are not Arabs. Hence why you don’t see any Chechens who look like Osama bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.” Ahmadinejad isn’t an Arab, Jefferson, he’s Persian, Iranian."

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has a hooked nose, dark bags under his eyes, and bushy eyebrows which are Semite Arab physical traits. If a live action film was ever made about Aladdin, he could easily be Jafar.

    Nobody would ever mistake Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's face for a WASP face.

  350. @Jefferson
    Mike Huckabee the Evangelical Social Conservative just said on Bret Baier that in addition to wanting to see illegal immigration reduced, he also wants to see legal immigration reduced. The final nail on the coffin for him that made him see the light was when he read about Disney wanting to replace it's American workers with foreign workers.

    Too bad you never hear that type of political language from Libertarian politicians like Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Bob Barr, and Gary Johnson.

    That is why I can NEVER pull the lever and vote for a Libertarian for president. Libertarians are too politically in bed with The Department Of Agriculture and The American Farm Bureau who favor unlimited immigration.

    The Libertarian Rand Paul would be a lot higher in the polls if he made lowering immigration his number 1 platform instead of reducing spying from the NSA as his number 1 platform. Most Conservatives do not give a damn if the NSA tapping is the phone calls of Muslim people. Most Conservatives in this country are worried about more serious things like changing racial demographics, a shrinking middle class, and out of control political correctness higher academia.

    “Most Conservatives in this country are worried about more serious things like changing racial demographics, a shrinking middle class, and out of control political correctness higher academia.”

    No, most conservatives in this country are worried about whether their team will go to the playoffs.

    • Agree: Ron Unz, Brutusale
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Stow it, Unz.

    We can do both.
    , @Rob McX
    Just after I read your post I happened to Google "rotherham" for info on another post I wrote.

    This is what came up in the prompt box under the address bar:

    rotherham united

    rotherham titans

    rotherham soccerway

    rotherham abuse

    rotherham manager

    All of them except "rotherham abuse" refer to sport.
  351. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
     
    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of "crazy conspiracy theories" perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain "the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site" that apparently so irritates "Svigor."

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it's become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly "unreliable," so it's very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they're wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here's another interesting development from just the last few years. It's clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of "conspiracy theories," which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they're correct and maybe they aren't.

    Over time, I've gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those "crazy conspiracy theories." These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here's one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a "crazy conspiracy theory" of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in "crazy things."

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I'd guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in "crazy things," well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they're not.

    I'm sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they're certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing "the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists" and praising Donald Trump...

    One problem is that the waters get muddied by goofballs who come up with outlandish claims that compete for one’s attention alongside of the more rationally thought out ‘theories’. Sometimes people feel it’s too much of an information overload to try to sift through it all and just dismiss everything out of hand.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "One problem is that the waters get muddied by goofballs who come up with outlandish claims that compete for one’s attention"

    As Churchill said 'Truth is so precious that she must be protected by a bodyguard of lies'
  352. @Anonymous
    I like you're reasoning, but I don't get how Hijacked White Body means hating your own kind. I find it a little confusing. Can you explain it or give examples of how it would be used?

    I agree with everything you say about "social justice warrior". Any idea who came up with that term?

    I don’t get how Hijacked White Body means hating your own kind. I find it a little confusing. Can you explain it or give examples of how it would be used?

    Because the behavior of the typical anti-white White liberal is so beyond the keen of prudence, reason, or even basic biological self-preservation that it’s as if a demon controlled them. The self-abuse the possessed Linda Blair character had inflicted on her in THE EXORCIST is nothing compared to the real-life Amy Biehls of the world (naive little white girl, knifed in a black township in 90’s South Africa, parents set up a foundation to for the friends, relatives, and neighbors of her killers).

    As Lawrence Auster once said, modern liberal Western society is an abattoir for naive young white women.

    “social justice warrior”. Any idea who came up with that term?

    Think it was on 4chan, but I may be wrong.

  353. There is really a word missing for describing hate or hostility toward whites.
    If you say blacks are racist towards whites, it sounds stupid.
    And anti-white-racism sounds even more stupid.

    There is antisemitism and racism, but the latter just means hatred from whites.

    There were some suggestions for possible words.
    Oikaphobia
    Leukophobia

    They are a bit long, how about
    Oikaia, Oikaphia – they are oikaic/oikaphic
    Leukoia, Leukophia – they are leukoic/leukophic

    A word is really important.
    Remember, if it doesn’t have a word, it doesn’t exist.
    If there is no word for it, then there is no hatred against whites.

  354. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    a “crazy conspiracy theory” of 9/11
     
    An "inside job" is highly unlikely.

    The inside not doing their job is so likely as to be commonplace.

    Both produce the same result.

    If that result was intended, the latter would not have been difficult to arrange.

    Is it easy to steer a Boeing 767 going more than 500 mph into a specific building hundreds of miles away on the first go just with some flight training? I’m not a Truther but I’ve always wondered about that. I’m surprised they didn’t have to make a few passes trying to aim the thing. I understand that it’s heavily computerized, but is it that easy to steer?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    They didn't have to hit the building to serve the purpose.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Is it easy to steer a Boeing 767 going more than 500 mph into a specific building hundreds of miles away on the first go just with some flight training?
     
    No, it's not easy. It's clearly just about impossible. For starters, the planes are way outside their normal operational limits at that speed when flying at sea level. They reach that cruising speed at high altitudes like 30,000 feet, where the air resistance is far lower.

    I'm not a pilot but common sense says that if you're operating a vehicle way outside it's normal operating limits, it will be very hard to control. That somebody could do this the very first time they piloted the plane seems impossible. Moreover, it is hard to imagine anybody hatching a plot based on people who had never flown the planes before managing to do this.


    I’m not a Truther but I’ve always wondered about that.
     
    Well, if you're not seeking the truth, why are you asking the question? Are you hoping somebody will tell you some sweet lies? ;-)
  355. @Jack D
    1. Never take what a Russian leader tells you at face value. Whether a statement serves their goals is far more important than whether it is true or not. If what a Russian tells you happens to be true, it's just a coincidence.

    2. Russia has NOT been fighting ISIS in Syria. They give lip service (see #1) to fighting ISIS but most of their raids have been against other factions. Their goal is to keep Assad in power - they could care less about ISIS per se.

    3. Until the raid on Pearl Harbor, the Japanese had not attacked the West, then they did. It wasn't because we were arming them up until that point.

    4. It's very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent - it's easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.

    1. Never take what a political leader tells you at face value. Whether a statement serves their goals is far more important than whether it is true or not. If what a politician tells you happens to be true, it’s just a coincidence.

    Some people hated the Soviet Union because they were communist, some people hated the Soviet Union because they were Russian. I’ve got a guess which of the two groups includes you.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Does Putin act the way that he does because he was trained as a Communist or because he is a Russian? Probably a combination of both. But if you study history, you'll see that there are durable national characteristics that seem to transcend ideology - Russian leaders, both Communist and post-Communist, have a lot in common with Tsars.
    , @5371
    He fears that the statement might be accurate applied to another ethnic group, so he transfers it to Russians.
  356. Trumpenprole [AKA "Haven Monahan"] says:
    @Mark Eugenikos
    How about "egophobia"? "Autophobia" is correct, since "auto" in Greek is "self", but it sounds like a fear of cars. Other choices (phylo, ethno), while correct, aren't as direct and impactful as "ego".

    Warning: my chosen screen name notwithstanding, I am not an expert on Greek language.

    How about misogenous. I realize genus is a latin root, but its kind of a play on misogynous. Hatred of the people. Or maybe anticladon… anticladeon, one who is against the ancestry. Perhaps we should switch to spanish where you can append -se to the end to make it reflexive. Odiogentese!

  357. @Clyde

    How long before Philip Giraldi blames Israel for this, Ron?
     
    He won't but his commenters will. Just between you and me, his most rabid minyan are on the Likud Party payroll. It is a most devious form of hasbara where anti-Zionism is being discredited by the deranged posts of Giraldi's over the top anti-Zionistas. Even StormFront members are turned off by them.

    Just between you and me

    OK, I won’t say a word to anyone!

  358. There is really a word missing for describing hate or hostility toward whites.

    “Whate”? (Pronounced ‘wait’). “Whiate”? “Y-hate”? “Y-ate”?

    “Just more of the same old Y-ate”.

    • Replies: @Seran
    Whiate is good, is it pronounced why-yet?

    whiatism
    They are all whiates
    whiatic behaviour
    The SPLC is condemning the whiatic statements of x.

    Definition:
    Hate, dislike or resentment of white people, white behaviours and white cultures

    Another word could be Whitred

  359. I got a reasonable idea to lower Islamic immigration, birthrates, political power, etc.:

    Ban cousin marriage in Europe and what few U.S. states allow it. Marriage amongst first cousins: completely banned. Amongst second cousins: restricted at least.

    Sensible Westerners already look down out it. Nobody would be able to reasonably defend their position of pro-incest. It would also bring attention to an issue that most people think only occurs with banjo-playing nuts. People will notice who performs this practice the most.

    It will also really improve the health, IQ, and overall lives of the Arabic people. Remember the Merkel Youth guy? Had a face only a mother could love and I bet inbreeding had something to do with it.

  360. @Jefferson
    "The fact that Steve isn’t approving some of your comments may be due to the fact that you don’t really know jack crap about anything you talk about and everything you say is based on the most laughably superficial of observations."

    I know exactly what I am talking about. It is 100 percent fact if you dropped off blond haired and blue eyed Northern European American WASP Kid Rock in any Arab country he would stick out like a sore thumb.

    Whenever the news show images of Syrian and other Arab refugees pouring into Europe, how many blonds did you see among those refugees?

    Go to the poor Muslim housing projects in Paris and tell me how many blond Aryan Nordic phenotypes you see.

    If blonds were so common in Arab countries, WASP Nordic Supremacist websites like Stormfront and VNN would be pro-massive Arab immigration into Europe but they are not. The Northern Europeans in these websites often refer to Arabs as dirty Semites and dirty Sand N Words. Those do not sound like the type of racial slurs that would someone would use to describe a group that has a high percentage of blondism.

    Obviously you’re one of those guys who thinks that because he posts an endless number of times that somehow makes him a valuable and popular member of the community. Well, you’re not. You’re terrible, awful, and worthless, and nobody here likes you.

    • Disagree: BB753
  361. @Ron Unz

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
     
    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of "crazy conspiracy theories" perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain "the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site" that apparently so irritates "Svigor."

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it's become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly "unreliable," so it's very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they're wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here's another interesting development from just the last few years. It's clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of "conspiracy theories," which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they're correct and maybe they aren't.

    Over time, I've gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those "crazy conspiracy theories." These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here's one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a "crazy conspiracy theory" of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in "crazy things."

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I'd guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in "crazy things," well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they're not.

    I'm sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they're certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing "the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists" and praising Donald Trump...

    I agree with that perspective, Ron. It does not surprise me at all. Very often those higher up on the totem pole are privy to information not given to others, for all sorts of reasons that make sense. In my youth I once met a senior aerospace engineer who seemed perfectly rational until he mentioned UFOs. Now I realize that he was probably talking about classified projects with a UFO cover story, and that naturally he would be interested in what they were.

    Not every suspected conspiracy is a conspiracy, but where there is smoke oftentimes there is probably fire.

    I quite like Trump though, and would prefer that the Mexicans, rapist or otherwise, stay on their side of the border. Thanks for hosting Steve and your other guests.

  362. @Ron Unz

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
     
    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of "crazy conspiracy theories" perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain "the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site" that apparently so irritates "Svigor."

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it's become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly "unreliable," so it's very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they're wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here's another interesting development from just the last few years. It's clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of "conspiracy theories," which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they're correct and maybe they aren't.

    Over time, I've gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those "crazy conspiracy theories." These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here's one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a "crazy conspiracy theory" of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in "crazy things."

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I'd guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in "crazy things," well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they're not.

    I'm sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they're certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing "the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists" and praising Donald Trump...

    Here’s one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a “crazy conspiracy theory” of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in “crazy things.”

    Out of curiosity, could you elaborate on his theory?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    Out of curiosity, could you elaborate on his theory?
     
    I'd rather not. By retaining several levels of anonymity and fuzzyness, I'm trying to honor the spirit of what was a private conversation. However, I will say that the story reported to me was one of the standard "9/11 conspiracy claims" which normally gets someone branded a kook. And indeed, the anecdote was told to me as proof that even the smartest, best-informed government official can sometimes be a "kook" on certain things.

    But I'll provide one additional tidbit. I quietly passed on the story to another solid, well-connected person I personally know, a member of the American elite-establishment. His one sentence response: "The French have a very good intelligence service"...
  363. @Intelligent Dasein

    I am tired of Steve constantly censoring my posts when I am not anymore controversial than anybody else here.
     
    I'm tired of it too, and I know exactly how you feel. Sometimes my comments simply disappear, or they are sitting around in the moderation queue for hours while other ranting and substance-less posts are given a pass. This isn't right.

    I admit that I've never donated any money directly to iSteve, but I have given several hundred dollars to VDARE over the years because I think they do important work, and as I understand it they also assist Steve Sailer. So some of my material support has at least indirectly made it to Steve.

    Presumably bloggers think that having a comments section is a good thing, insofar as the comments add invaluable content to help leverage their own work while also building up a community of like-minded, emotionally invested people, and they do it all pro bono. Bloggers are also constantly exhorting us to "hit the tip jar."

    Well I have. I have hit the tip jar. I am a working man without a lot of money or time to spare. If I'm going to spend 20 minutes to an hour composing a post, I would at least like it to be seen. The message I'm getting is that my time and money simply aren't wanted here. Okay then.

    Compose your post in a word processor or better yet, a plain text file. When you have it perfect 🙂 copy and paste into Steve’s comment box and publish. If you dally to long in the comment box, your post may get lost. My $.002

  364. @Rob McX
    You'd need to clarify your definition of the word Arab. Usually it means a member of a Semitic ethnic group who are black-haired if they're of pure blood. If you take it to mean someone from the Middle East or North Africa who speaks Arabic, the definition would be much wider. People in those places who have fair hair and/or blue eyes must have European blood.

    Not true. Arab Muslim populations have experienced significant sub-Saharan admixture over the past thousand years which could be responsible for the near uniformity of dark complexion and hair in that population.

  365. @Anonym
    You may have a point with Klum. And I would argue that among Jewish leftist power brokers who see themselves as Jews and not as whites, they are not self hating. Foolish but not self hating.

    But among rank leftist whites, I believe that fundamentally many feel a degree of self loathing. Remember, most people are not holding any whips. All they do is vote. White dems are mostly single women as per Steve, and some single men. A lot of these women are to the left of the marriage material bell curve, or they would be married. Bitter, resentful and envious of married white people, married to the TV and their meaningless job, and raising their cats. You don't think they have a degree of self loathing?

    A lot of these women are to the left of the marriage material bell curve, or they would be married. Bitter, resentful and envious of married white people, married to the TV and their meaningless job, and raising their cats. You don’t think they have a degree of self loathing?

    A sense of resentment certainly. I think there is an element of self-loathing but somehow they manage to externalise it. They think all white people are evil, except for them. And their friends. Just as male feminists manage to believe that all men are evil, except for them.

  366. @iSteveFan

    One for you then, Steve, seeing as how no article I’ve read on the subject results in a positive return on the Ctrl-f for Immigration.
     
    Is immigration really being threatened because of this? We all know what happened to muslim immigration after 9-11. It exploded. So do the proponents of the immivasion really feel threatened tonight that their pet project is suddenly in jeopardy?

    I ask because every time someone perceived as being politically on our side commits a crime, we all cringe as we await the inevitable political fallout that will surely attack one of our positions. For example, mass shootings always lead to more calls for curbing the 2nd Amendment. And we all saw what happened to the rebel flag this summer. Not that most of us are Southern, but the other side seems to always get a pet peeve of theirs addressed to mollify them. What do we get after big events like this, or even the daily grind of immigrants killing citizens?

    I just can't understand why the open borders crowd never has to worry about defending their position even after the most heinous of crimes. As Pat Buchanan has stated over and over about the free traders and interventionists, "what do they have to do to prove they were wrong?" If the open borders position is not seriously challenged after this, what on Earth would it take to actually prove to people the insanity of this policy?

    One of the differences here is that Jews are directly being targeted. In 9/11 there was no specific targeting of Jews. Do Jews in France, who tend to vote centre-right really want more Arabs in France?

    This attack was intelligently directly – it attacked a Jewish run club that was hosting a band with neo-con sympathies that regularly plays in Israel. It wouln’t suprise me if a high percentage of those watching the band were Jewish. A prudent Parisan would now avoid Jewish run businesses.

    Hence it’s going to be interesting what effect this has on media attitudes to the National Front and France’s immigration policy.

  367. @Anonymous
    Is it easy to steer a Boeing 767 going more than 500 mph into a specific building hundreds of miles away on the first go just with some flight training? I'm not a Truther but I've always wondered about that. I'm surprised they didn't have to make a few passes trying to aim the thing. I understand that it's heavily computerized, but is it that easy to steer?

    They didn’t have to hit the building to serve the purpose.

  368. @Mr. Anon
    "Most Conservatives in this country are worried about more serious things like changing racial demographics, a shrinking middle class, and out of control political correctness higher academia."

    No, most conservatives in this country are worried about whether their team will go to the playoffs.

    Stow it, Unz.

    We can do both.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Stow it, Unz.

    We can do both."

    I am not Ron Unz.

    And - based on what is actually happening to this country - No, you can't.
  369. @Bill B.
    I understand your frustration. However without getting into a discussion of the merits of various posts it seems to be vital that comments be proactively vetted.

    Free posting easily degenerates into petty squabbles that amuse only the participants or the freedom acts as a magnate for elaborate conspiracy theories. Discussions are also killed by drive-by naysayers and excessive abusive.

    It seems likely that in the course of attempting to keep discussions lively and smart Steve will end up inflicting colateral damage on posts that in themselves are possibly quite alright. Given his time contraints he will inevitably be making snap decisions.

    The quality of the comments on iSteve is generally high but nevertheless variable and I would rather some of my comments not make it across the road than see the quality decline. Time for reading is limited.

    My suggestion would be that anyone who has spent time constructing a comment keep a copy so that it can be posted elsewhere if it doesn't get through.

    Please also don’t forget that in a thread of 300+ comments, the only participants who’ve used their real names are Steve and Ron. Steve also has a son who’s just started college, and doesn’t need his education fund confiscated if some yahoo who starts something is found to have an incendiary comment from this blog in his browser cache.

  370. @Bill Jones
    Oh, lookie, "The Syrians did it" seems to be falling apart

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-15/false-flag-link-passport-found-next-suicide-bomber-was-fake-claim-us-french-sources

    Syrian Passport "Found" Next To Suicide Bomber Was "Definitely A Forgery"

    I’d imagine that easily 60% of the Syrian passports coming into Europe these days are forgeries.

  371. @Mr. Anon
    "First of all, are you conceding in the above statement that some of the operations are indeed false flags? Yes? No? If the answer is yes, which ones?"

    Are you willing to concede that some are not? If so, which ones? Oh, and also, was the Moon landing a hoax? Your answer to that would tell us a lot about you and whether your opinion is worth a damn. Feel free to quote Dave McGowan all you like.

    Are you willing to concede that some are not?

    I see. You’re trying to keep the conversation on am abstract level. Rather than tell me which high profile terrorist attacks specifically were not false flags, in your opinion, you want to discuss the abstract question of whether “some”, without specifying which ones, are not false flags.

    I guess you realize that if the conversation gets concrete, you’re on very weak ground.

    If so, which ones?

    The high profile terrorist incidents I’ve done some minimal research on, certainly including 9/11, 7/7, and the Charlie Hebdo incident, all seem to be clear false flags. Moreover, the people who claim angrily that they were not always turn out never to have investigated the question. Their position is simply that it is unthinkable that tide authorities could be lying.

    If you say that some are not false flags, you should be able to tell me which ones, no? Specifically, could you name the highest profile “Islamist” terrorist attack that toy are confident was not a false flag?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "I see. You’re trying to keep the conversation on am abstract level. Rather than tell me which high profile terrorist attacks specifically were not false flags, in your opinion, you want to discuss the abstract question of whether “some”, without specifying which ones, are not false flags."

    No, I'm trying to see if there is anything - anything - that you do not believe to be a false-flag. The defining characteristic of people like you seems to be their willingness to believe that everything is some secret conspiracy, the details of which are known only to them.

    "I guess you realize that if the conversation gets concrete, you’re on very weak ground."

    That's funny, coming from someone who is treading water. I have no problem discussing it in the concrete.

    "The high profile terrorist incidents I’ve done some minimal research on, certainly including 9/11, 7/7, and the Charlie Hebdo incident, all seem to be clear false flags."

    Oh. You've done "some minimal research" on them, and you conclude that they are "clear false flags".

    "Moreover, the people who claim angrily that they were not always turn out never to have investigated the question. Their position is simply that it is unthinkable that tide authorities could be lying."

    I have spent a considerable amount of time looking into the 9/11 truther claims made by people like you. I never found any so-called evidence of the buildings being mined or prepped (or "pulled") that wasn't complete crap. Many of the claims were simply fantastical and unphysical.

    "If you say that some are not false flags, you should be able to tell me which ones, no? Specifically, could you name the highest profile “Islamist” terrorist attack that toy are confident was not a false flag?"

    Yeah, almost all of them. Certainly 9/11.

    Now - answer my question - did we or did we not land on the Moon? As I said, your answer to this will help the rest of us evaluate everything else you say. Again - feel free to quote Dave McGown liberally. It will be amusing.
  372. @Ron Unz

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
     
    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of "crazy conspiracy theories" perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain "the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site" that apparently so irritates "Svigor."

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it's become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly "unreliable," so it's very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they're wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here's another interesting development from just the last few years. It's clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of "conspiracy theories," which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they're correct and maybe they aren't.

    Over time, I've gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those "crazy conspiracy theories." These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here's one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a "crazy conspiracy theory" of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in "crazy things."

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I'd guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in "crazy things," well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they're not.

    I'm sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they're certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing "the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists" and praising Donald Trump...

    So they’re certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing “the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists” and praising Donald Trump…

    Denouncing Mexican rapists:

    California police chief says ‘blood trail’ runs from Washington to bedroom of murdered woman
    … August 08, 2015

    Pharis, of Santa Maria, was asleep in her bed after working the night shift at a satellite office for the Vandenberg Air Force Base when two men allegedly broke into her home at 9:45 a.m., bashed her head with a claw hammer, strangled and raped her with a foreign object and left her for dead, according to police. Pharis survived to call 911, but died days later in a local hospital.

    Two suspects have been arrested, including Victor Aureliano Martinez Ramirez, 29, an illegal immigrant from Durango Canatlan, Mexico. Ramirez has been arrested six times in last 15 months, for crimes including sexual assault, possession of methamphetamine and weapons and driving without a license. His most recent arrest occurred just eight days before the attack on Pharis.

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement admitted in a statement it did not issue an immigration detainer, which would have led to deportation, for Ramirez following the most recent arrest.

    Ramirez and fellow suspect in Pharis’ killing Jose Fernando Villagomez, 20, were apprehended by local law enforcement with the help of a police service dog, but not before Ramirez broke into another nearby home, confronting a mother and her three young children, police said. The mother managed to lock herself in a bedroom and call 9-1-1, and both men were apprehended shortly afterward, according to police.

    Ramirez was on probation for a May 22, 2014 arrest for felony assault with the intent to commit sexual assault while in possession of a controlled substance.

  373. @Ron Unz

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
     
    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of "crazy conspiracy theories" perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain "the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site" that apparently so irritates "Svigor."

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it's become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly "unreliable," so it's very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they're wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here's another interesting development from just the last few years. It's clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of "conspiracy theories," which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they're correct and maybe they aren't.

    Over time, I've gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those "crazy conspiracy theories." These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here's one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a "crazy conspiracy theory" of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in "crazy things."

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I'd guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in "crazy things," well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they're not.

    I'm sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they're certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing "the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists" and praising Donald Trump...

    Over time, I’ve gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those “crazy conspiracy theories.”

    Properly understood, the above had a certain redundant quality to it, does it not?

    I mean, if the aforementioned people *loudly* and *publicly* professed said beliefs, rather than “quietly and privately”, they would no longer be in the elite/establishment, would they!?

    (Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is a prime case in point, no?)

    • Replies: @Ron Unz


    Over time, I’ve gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those “crazy conspiracy theories.”
     
    Properly understood, the above had a certain redundant quality to it, does it not?

    I mean, if the aforementioned people *loudly* and *publicly* professed said beliefs, rather than “quietly and privately”, they would no longer be in the elite/establishment, would they!?
     
    Exactly. I think there's a very good example of that in the case of TWA Flight 800, which exploded just out of New York in 1996. Although I never paid any attention to the issue until recently, there seems to be an enormous amount of evidence it was destroyed by a missile, presumably accidentally hit by nearby American military forces during an exercise, and that's what a couple of a couple of solid people I know strongly believe.

    Soon after the crash, Pierre Salinger, a member of the elite American establishment, made that claim on TV, where he had become a prominent ABC correspondent, after serving as JFK press secretary and US Senator. He was quickly labelled a "kook" and mostly disappeared from television and the elite MSM. Whereas in Stalin's USSR, elites who strayed disappeared into the Gulag, in the USSA they mostly disappear from the TV Greenroom, which is generally enough to keep them quiet. There are several other clear examples that support this pattern.
  374. @Ron Unz

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
     
    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of "crazy conspiracy theories" perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain "the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site" that apparently so irritates "Svigor."

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it's become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly "unreliable," so it's very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they're wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here's another interesting development from just the last few years. It's clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of "conspiracy theories," which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they're correct and maybe they aren't.

    Over time, I've gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those "crazy conspiracy theories." These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here's one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a "crazy conspiracy theory" of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in "crazy things."

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I'd guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in "crazy things," well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they're not.

    I'm sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they're certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing "the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists" and praising Donald Trump...

    go back to their usual pastime of … praising Donald Trump…

    Donald Trump Says Paris Victims Should Have Had Guns

    Trump praises ‘Operation Wetback’

    Trump Suggests Boycotting Starbucks Over Red Christmas Cups

    Donald Trump suggests boycotting Starbucks over red holiday cups, then admits, ‘Seriously, I don’t care’

    Republican presidential contender Donald Trump is suggesting boycotting Starbucks over the minimalist design of its annual holiday cups.

    “Did you read about Starbucks? No more Merry Christmas on Starbucks,”

    He said on Monday that: “If I become president, we’re all going to be saying, ‘Merry Christmas’ again. That I can tell you.”

    He added that Starbucks operates a store in one of his buildings and that “that’s the end of that lease, but who cares?”

  375. @Justpassingby
    Does anyone know why there are so many Muslim Algerians in France? Thought Algerians rebelled and gained their independence to be separate from France.

    I can understand why Christian/Jewish Algerians would move to France.

    Algerian War
    However, the Harkis in particular, having served as auxiliaries with the French army, were regarded as traitors by the FLN and between 50,000 and 150,000 Harkis and family members were murdered by the FLN or lynch-mobs, often after being abducted and tortured. About 91,000 managed to flee to France, some with help from their French officers acting against orders, and today they and their descendants form a significant part of the Algerian-French population.

  376. @Jonathan Revusky

    Blame Ron Paul’s 2008 run in the Republican presidential primaries and his young Paulistas. They popularized the term.
     
    Ron Paul is indeed an old man, but he is not old enough to have invented the concept of false flag terrorism.

    The Mossad tops their list of entities behind false flag operations.

     

    So is your position that Mossad is not behind any false flag operations or do you simply object to them being the ones who top the list? Who should top the list, in your opinion?

    Who do you like more? The Mossad or The Jihad?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    Who do you like more? The Mossad or The Jihad?
     
    I don't know any Mossad agents or jihadists personally. I probably have more in common culturally with the Mossad agents though.

    Who would you prefer to be murdered by? Mossad agents or jihadists?

    (Or Mossad agents dressed up as jihadists... ;-))
  377. @Anonymous
    The Crusaders didn't really leave their genes there. They were a small population and had trouble with basic survival there and suffered from scurvy, dysentery, and malaria because they were not adapted to the local environment. See Alfred McCoy's "Ecological Imperialism".

    Thanks. Then European genes got into the Levant some other way. Lebanon-Syria were French colonies. So this way?

    • Replies: @anon
    There were thousands of years of white slavery via the Ukraine / Crimea that only ended with the Russian conquest of Crimea.
  378. anon • Disclaimer says:

    If the media hadn’t lied about what was happening in places like Paris over the last 40 years people would see this as a natural progression – because it is.

    1) Mass immigration for cheap labor creating enclaves where there is a dramatic imbalance of male and female leading to rape as a weapon of ethnic cleansing and white flight with the vast majority of victims aged c. 11-16.

    2) Once a Muslim majority is achieved gang violence against males is added to the rape of young girls to finish the ethnic cleansing sooner.

    3) Once a Muslim only enclave is achieved the state is gradually pushed out via attacks on state representatives: police, fire fighters, ambulances etc, turning the enclave into a no-go area.

    4) The various enclaves created at various spots in a city merge and join together.

    5) Final stage – the one France and Sweden are entering – active guerrilla operations to impose Sharia Law in the enclaves.

    The neocon stuff in the middle east is a separate factor – the main effect being to speed the process up a bit.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    You're exaggerating. The Muslim areas are no different than black ghettos in America. Aside from the period during occasional riots, the writ of law runs everywhere in both. There are municipal fire stations, police stations, public schools, etc. that operate every day during non-riot periods, which is 99% of the time.

    Capitalism requires a source of cheap labor. In America, before the blacks in the North it was the Irish and more recently it is Mexicans. In Europe, it is Muslims. The new immigrants always live in crime ridden ghettos where nice people don't go. Hell, in Minneapolis there was once a Swedish ghetto filled with these strange blond giants who stank of herring and all good people knew to stay away.
  379. @Clyde
    Thanks. Then European genes got into the Levant some other way. Lebanon-Syria were French colonies. So this way?

    There were thousands of years of white slavery via the Ukraine / Crimea that only ended with the Russian conquest of Crimea.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    There were thousands of years of white slavery via the Ukraine / Crimea that only ended with the Russian conquest of Crimea.
     
    wow! Never entered my mind. I will have to read up on this. I did read a gut wrenching book about the white slavery of the Muslims in present day Libya, Morocco, Algeria. They raided parts of Europe by the ocean, raiding villages as far away as up the British coast. I suppose looking for the fairest possible female sex slaves. They were most prized for harems, they would bring the highest prices at auction. Male captives being put to hard labor, slave labor.

    White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow …
    www.amazon.com › … › History › World › Slavery & Emancipation
    4.7/556 reviews (very good!)
    By Giles Milton
    Amazon.com:
    White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and Islam's One Million White Slaves (9780374289355): Giles Milton: Books
     
    , @Jack D
    Thousands of years? Nah. More like hundreds. Mainly it would be the period from the fall of Constantinople (1453) to the Russian capture of Crimea (1774) so say 300 years. A long time, but not "thousands".
  380. @WhatEvvs
    Out of curiosity, I checked TnC's feed and he has lowered himself to retweet something from the NY Times about the manhunt. I won't be doing this a lot. I have limits. But at 140 characters he is less offensive than a Salon post.

    There is something of interest in his feed (sorry, OT), which people here might want to tear apart at a future date: a tweet about that rare bird, the white rapist of black women. He found one, the real deal. This criminal ought to get the chair, but the point is, TnC is making hay out of a very odd occurence.

    The top of his twitter feed is a piece of gag-inducing sycophance from that paragon of journalistic objectivity, Gwen Ifill.

    a tweet about that rare bird, the white rapist of black women. He found one, the real deal.

    His mother is Japanese. Don’t know about father. So he is at best biracial half-white. Don’t know if that counts. Heres a pic:

    A Painful Silence: What Daniel Holtzclaw Teaches Us About Black Women in America
    … (*Daniel Holtzclaw’s mother is of Japanese descent.) …

  381. @anon
    There were thousands of years of white slavery via the Ukraine / Crimea that only ended with the Russian conquest of Crimea.

    There were thousands of years of white slavery via the Ukraine / Crimea that only ended with the Russian conquest of Crimea.

    wow! Never entered my mind. I will have to read up on this. I did read a gut wrenching book about the white slavery of the Muslims in present day Libya, Morocco, Algeria. They raided parts of Europe by the ocean, raiding villages as far away as up the British coast. I suppose looking for the fairest possible female sex slaves. They were most prized for harems, they would bring the highest prices at auction. Male captives being put to hard labor, slave labor.

    White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow …
    http://www.amazon.com › … › History › World › Slavery & Emancipation
    4.7/556 reviews (very good!)
    By Giles Milton
    Amazon.com:
    White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and Islam’s One Million White Slaves (9780374289355): Giles Milton: Books

  382. @Clyde
    Who do you like more? The Mossad or The Jihad?

    Who do you like more? The Mossad or The Jihad?

    I don’t know any Mossad agents or jihadists personally. I probably have more in common culturally with the Mossad agents though.

    Who would you prefer to be murdered by? Mossad agents or jihadists?

    (Or Mossad agents dressed up as jihadists… ;-))

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Good answer. In the clash of civilizations between The Jihadists and The Mossadists I favor the Mossadists.
  383. Hatred of Whites: weißemenschenhass

    Leave it to the Teutons to give us a word for how they feel about themselves.

    Perhaps a commenter here speaks German? Might weißemenschenhass be contracted to weißenhass?

  384. @Anonymous
    Is it easy to steer a Boeing 767 going more than 500 mph into a specific building hundreds of miles away on the first go just with some flight training? I'm not a Truther but I've always wondered about that. I'm surprised they didn't have to make a few passes trying to aim the thing. I understand that it's heavily computerized, but is it that easy to steer?

    Is it easy to steer a Boeing 767 going more than 500 mph into a specific building hundreds of miles away on the first go just with some flight training?

    No, it’s not easy. It’s clearly just about impossible. For starters, the planes are way outside their normal operational limits at that speed when flying at sea level. They reach that cruising speed at high altitudes like 30,000 feet, where the air resistance is far lower.

    I’m not a pilot but common sense says that if you’re operating a vehicle way outside it’s normal operating limits, it will be very hard to control. That somebody could do this the very first time they piloted the plane seems impossible. Moreover, it is hard to imagine anybody hatching a plot based on people who had never flown the planes before managing to do this.

    I’m not a Truther but I’ve always wondered about that.

    Well, if you’re not seeking the truth, why are you asking the question? Are you hoping somebody will tell you some sweet lies? 😉

    • Replies: @Jack D
    All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training. Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways. All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200' wide. It's not that hard.
    , @anonymous

    No, it’s not easy. It’s clearly just about impossible. F
     
    Those jumbo jets are huge and require years of training and practice to be able to fly meaning those pilots had a lot of training that was given them somewhere. Some people have bought into the official story of them acquiring their skills through those small flight schools which were just about training on some small personal propeller planes, no similarity whatsoever.
  385. @Mr. Anon
    "Most Conservatives in this country are worried about more serious things like changing racial demographics, a shrinking middle class, and out of control political correctness higher academia."

    No, most conservatives in this country are worried about whether their team will go to the playoffs.

    Just after I read your post I happened to Google “rotherham” for info on another post I wrote.

    This is what came up in the prompt box under the address bar:

    rotherham united

    rotherham titans

    rotherham soccerway

    rotherham abuse

    rotherham manager

    All of them except “rotherham abuse” refer to sport.

  386. @JohnnyWalker123

    Here’s one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a “crazy conspiracy theory” of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in “crazy things.”

     

    Out of curiosity, could you elaborate on his theory?

    Out of curiosity, could you elaborate on his theory?

    I’d rather not. By retaining several levels of anonymity and fuzzyness, I’m trying to honor the spirit of what was a private conversation. However, I will say that the story reported to me was one of the standard “9/11 conspiracy claims” which normally gets someone branded a kook. And indeed, the anecdote was told to me as proof that even the smartest, best-informed government official can sometimes be a “kook” on certain things.

    But I’ll provide one additional tidbit. I quietly passed on the story to another solid, well-connected person I personally know, a member of the American elite-establishment. His one sentence response: “The French have a very good intelligence service”…

  387. @Jonathan Revusky

    Over time, I’ve gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those “crazy conspiracy theories.”
     
    Properly understood, the above had a certain redundant quality to it, does it not?

    I mean, if the aforementioned people *loudly* and *publicly* professed said beliefs, rather than "quietly and privately", they would no longer be in the elite/establishment, would they!?

    (Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is a prime case in point, no?)

    Over time, I’ve gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those “crazy conspiracy theories.”

    Properly understood, the above had a certain redundant quality to it, does it not?

    I mean, if the aforementioned people *loudly* and *publicly* professed said beliefs, rather than “quietly and privately”, they would no longer be in the elite/establishment, would they!?

    Exactly. I think there’s a very good example of that in the case of TWA Flight 800, which exploded just out of New York in 1996. Although I never paid any attention to the issue until recently, there seems to be an enormous amount of evidence it was destroyed by a missile, presumably accidentally hit by nearby American military forces during an exercise, and that’s what a couple of a couple of solid people I know strongly believe.

    Soon after the crash, Pierre Salinger, a member of the elite American establishment, made that claim on TV, where he had become a prominent ABC correspondent, after serving as JFK press secretary and US Senator. He was quickly labelled a “kook” and mostly disappeared from television and the elite MSM. Whereas in Stalin’s USSR, elites who strayed disappeared into the Gulag, in the USSA they mostly disappear from the TV Greenroom, which is generally enough to keep them quiet. There are several other clear examples that support this pattern.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Soon after the crash, Pierre Salinger, a member of the elite American establishment, made that claim on TV, where he had become a prominent ABC correspondent, after serving as JFK press secretary and US Senator."

    What does Pierre Salinger know about aviation or missiles? And, after all, Salinger was such a dedicated journalist, covering up all the inside dirt on the Kennedy administration for all those years. If Salinger was such a fearless truth-teller, why did he leave that to other (real) investigative reporters?
    , @ben tillman

    Exactly. I think there’s a very good example of that in the case of TWA Flight 800, which exploded just out of New York in 1996. Although I never paid any attention to the issue until recently, there seems to be an enormous amount of evidence it was destroyed by a missile, presumably accidentally hit by nearby American military forces during an exercise, and that’s what a couple of a couple of solid people I know strongly believe.
     
    What is more interesting to me than whether the plane was brought down by a missile is the epistemological question: Why should that claim require some special measure of proof?

    Why -- even among the supposedly enlightened commenters here -- does a story obtain a presumption of truth (and even an irrebuttable presumption of truth) if the story is told by our government-media complex?
  388. @Jefferson
    "The fact that Steve isn’t approving some of your comments may be due to the fact that you don’t really know jack crap about anything you talk about and everything you say is based on the most laughably superficial of observations."

    I know exactly what I am talking about. It is 100 percent fact if you dropped off blond haired and blue eyed Northern European American WASP Kid Rock in any Arab country he would stick out like a sore thumb.

    Whenever the news show images of Syrian and other Arab refugees pouring into Europe, how many blonds did you see among those refugees?

    Go to the poor Muslim housing projects in Paris and tell me how many blond Aryan Nordic phenotypes you see.

    If blonds were so common in Arab countries, WASP Nordic Supremacist websites like Stormfront and VNN would be pro-massive Arab immigration into Europe but they are not. The Northern Europeans in these websites often refer to Arabs as dirty Semites and dirty Sand N Words. Those do not sound like the type of racial slurs that would someone would use to describe a group that has a high percentage of blondism.

    You’re an idiot.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "You’re an idiot."

    You are the idiot. Show me pictures of large crowds on the streets entirely made up of Arabs that are a Blondtopia? Show me a large gathering of Arabs which most people would mistake for a large gathering of Northern Europeans.

  389. @anonymous
    There is really a word missing for describing hate or hostility toward whites.


    "Whate"? (Pronounced 'wait'). "Whiate"? "Y-hate"? "Y-ate"?

    "Just more of the same old Y-ate".

    Whiate is good, is it pronounced why-yet?

    whiatism
    They are all whiates
    whiatic behaviour
    The SPLC is condemning the whiatic statements of x.

    Definition:
    Hate, dislike or resentment of white people, white behaviours and white cultures

    Another word could be Whitred

  390. @Jonathan Revusky

    Is it easy to steer a Boeing 767 going more than 500 mph into a specific building hundreds of miles away on the first go just with some flight training?
     
    No, it's not easy. It's clearly just about impossible. For starters, the planes are way outside their normal operational limits at that speed when flying at sea level. They reach that cruising speed at high altitudes like 30,000 feet, where the air resistance is far lower.

    I'm not a pilot but common sense says that if you're operating a vehicle way outside it's normal operating limits, it will be very hard to control. That somebody could do this the very first time they piloted the plane seems impossible. Moreover, it is hard to imagine anybody hatching a plot based on people who had never flown the planes before managing to do this.


    I’m not a Truther but I’ve always wondered about that.
     
    Well, if you're not seeking the truth, why are you asking the question? Are you hoping somebody will tell you some sweet lies? ;-)

    All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training. Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways. All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200′ wide. It’s not that hard.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training. Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways. All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200′ wide. It’s not that hard."

    And they had several miles of straight-line flight on a clear sunny day with which to adjust their aim. But you are just employing common sense, whereas investigative genius Revusky is making use of his finely honed ignorance ("I'm not a pilot, but......")

    This is always the argument, and often the only argument, of people like Revusky. I can't understand how it could have happened, therefore it must have been a hoax. The argument from ignorance. Jonathan Revusky probably doesn't understand how an MRI machine works; does he therefore believe that MRI machines are hoaxes? It's all part of the MRI conspiracy? I imagine there are a lot of things that he doesn't understand. All hoaxes?
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training.
     
    Well, of course. The patsies had to have had some flight training, since otherwise, they could not be credibly framed for the crime.

    As it happens, they attended some flight academy in Florida somewhere that had CIA links. They were, by all accounts, utterly execrable students, mostly because they had such poor English. This is worth pondering, you know. If you were tasked with flying a plane into a building in Russia, would you go to Russia over a year before the attacks, take an intensive Russian language course and then enrol in a flight academy in which the language of instruction was Russian?

    Why would anybody ever do that? Why wouldn't they study how to fly the plane in their own language (or some language they actually knew) and then go to America at the last possible moment to carry out the operation? Also, that way, they would reduce the chance of attracting the attention of the relevant government agencies.

    IOW, is this whole narrative at all credible? Have you ever thought about this?

    Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways.
     
    Yes, but not at 500 mph. The typical landing speed for a Boeing airliner seems to be a bit over 150 mph. See: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090422235300AAi5qU7

    In any case, the plane is being flown by an experienced professional, not somebody flying the plane for the first time. If you look at the site: http://pilotsfor911truth.org you see that there is much debate over whether these planes can even fly at that speed at sea level.

    Again, there's a pretty strong sense one gets reading discussions involving people with thousands of hours of experience flying these planes, that a novice flying the plane for the first time would not be able to do this. Moreover, it beggars belief that anybody would hatch a plan that involved people who had never flown the planes before being able to do it.

    All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200′ wide. It’s not that hard.
     
    So when experienced professionals pilots with thousands of hours experience say they could not do this, and certainly nobody flying the planes for the first time could do it, who am I supposed to believe?
    , @Anonymous
    I understand that they had flight training. So is it that easy to fly jumbo jets? It sounds like anyone can do it.
    , @Anonymous
    Yes, but the wingspan of the Boeing 767 is almost as wide as the building. The target to projectile ratio was not that high.
    , @Anonymous
    Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways - at a landing speed of about 130 knots. Planes cruise at about 500 knots. They would not be landing in the middle of runways if they tried to land at cruising speeds.
  391. @anon
    There were thousands of years of white slavery via the Ukraine / Crimea that only ended with the Russian conquest of Crimea.

    Thousands of years? Nah. More like hundreds. Mainly it would be the period from the fall of Constantinople (1453) to the Russian capture of Crimea (1774) so say 300 years. A long time, but not “thousands”.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    No, there was white-slavey prior to the fall of Constantinople. Certainly during the viking era. The Ottomans were not the only people in the near-east who desired white women; the Persians, Seljuks, and probably others did too.
    , @anon
    It goes back to the Bronze Age.

    .

    Ottomans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Khanate

    For a long time, until the early 18th century, the khanate maintained a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East, exporting about 2 million slaves from Russia and Poland-Lithuania over the period 1500–1700.[8] Caffa was one of the best known and significant trading ports and slave markets.[9] In 1769, a last major Tatar raid saw the capture of 20,000 Russian and Ruthenian slaves
     
    .

    pre-Ottomans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Rise_of_the_Rus.27_and_the_collapse_of_the_Khazarian_state

    The Khazars constituted one of the two great furnishers of slaves to the Muslim market (the other being the Iranian Sâmânid amîrs), supplying it with captured Slavs and tribesmen from the Eurasian northlands.[91] It was profits from the latter which enabled it to maintain a standard army of Khwarezm Muslim troops.

    roman era

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Crimea#Roman_Empire

    "Taurica enjoyed a relative golden period under Roman leadership during the 2nd century CE, with huge commerce of wheat, clothing, wine and slaves."

    It goes back before that as well.

    .

    There's been horse tribes in that region since the Bronze Age and they raided the settled farmer population for slaves and sold them to various east Med. merchant groups at trading settlements along the Crimean coast like Odessa for c. 3000 years until the Russian conquest of Crimea in 1700 something.
  392. @anonymous
    One problem is that the waters get muddied by goofballs who come up with outlandish claims that compete for one's attention alongside of the more rationally thought out 'theories'. Sometimes people feel it's too much of an information overload to try to sift through it all and just dismiss everything out of hand.

    “One problem is that the waters get muddied by goofballs who come up with outlandish claims that compete for one’s attention”

    As Churchill said ‘Truth is so precious that she must be protected by a bodyguard of lies’

  393. @Hunsdon
    1. Never take what a political leader tells you at face value. Whether a statement serves their goals is far more important than whether it is true or not. If what a politician tells you happens to be true, it’s just a coincidence.

    Some people hated the Soviet Union because they were communist, some people hated the Soviet Union because they were Russian. I've got a guess which of the two groups includes you.

    Does Putin act the way that he does because he was trained as a Communist or because he is a Russian? Probably a combination of both. But if you study history, you’ll see that there are durable national characteristics that seem to transcend ideology – Russian leaders, both Communist and post-Communist, have a lot in common with Tsars.

  394. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Is it easy to steer a Boeing 767 going more than 500 mph into a specific building hundreds of miles away on the first go just with some flight training?
     
    No, it's not easy. It's clearly just about impossible. For starters, the planes are way outside their normal operational limits at that speed when flying at sea level. They reach that cruising speed at high altitudes like 30,000 feet, where the air resistance is far lower.

    I'm not a pilot but common sense says that if you're operating a vehicle way outside it's normal operating limits, it will be very hard to control. That somebody could do this the very first time they piloted the plane seems impossible. Moreover, it is hard to imagine anybody hatching a plot based on people who had never flown the planes before managing to do this.


    I’m not a Truther but I’ve always wondered about that.
     
    Well, if you're not seeking the truth, why are you asking the question? Are you hoping somebody will tell you some sweet lies? ;-)

    No, it’s not easy. It’s clearly just about impossible. F

    Those jumbo jets are huge and require years of training and practice to be able to fly meaning those pilots had a lot of training that was given them somewhere. Some people have bought into the official story of them acquiring their skills through those small flight schools which were just about training on some small personal propeller planes, no similarity whatsoever.

  395. @anon
    If the media hadn't lied about what was happening in places like Paris over the last 40 years people would see this as a natural progression - because it is.

    1) Mass immigration for cheap labor creating enclaves where there is a dramatic imbalance of male and female leading to rape as a weapon of ethnic cleansing and white flight with the vast majority of victims aged c. 11-16.

    2) Once a Muslim majority is achieved gang violence against males is added to the rape of young girls to finish the ethnic cleansing sooner.

    3) Once a Muslim only enclave is achieved the state is gradually pushed out via attacks on state representatives: police, fire fighters, ambulances etc, turning the enclave into a no-go area.

    4) The various enclaves created at various spots in a city merge and join together.

    5) Final stage - the one France and Sweden are entering - active guerrilla operations to impose Sharia Law in the enclaves.

    The neocon stuff in the middle east is a separate factor - the main effect being to speed the process up a bit.

    You’re exaggerating. The Muslim areas are no different than black ghettos in America. Aside from the period during occasional riots, the writ of law runs everywhere in both. There are municipal fire stations, police stations, public schools, etc. that operate every day during non-riot periods, which is 99% of the time.

    Capitalism requires a source of cheap labor. In America, before the blacks in the North it was the Irish and more recently it is Mexicans. In Europe, it is Muslims. The new immigrants always live in crime ridden ghettos where nice people don’t go. Hell, in Minneapolis there was once a Swedish ghetto filled with these strange blond giants who stank of herring and all good people knew to stay away.

    • Replies: @5371
    [Capitalism requires a source of cheap labor.]

    Capitalists want would be closer to the mark, and even that isn't true of all. There was a guy called Henry Ford who said the worker should be paid enough to buy his own products. Perhaps you haven't heard of him and would be interested in some of his views on the world in general.
    , @anon

    You’re exaggerating. The Muslim areas are no different than black ghettos in America.
     
    Well if the media admitted that much then it would be 4/5 of what I said and taking the next step to low level guerrilla war over Sharia would be seen as what it is - the next step.

    Which is what happened briefly in black ghettos if you recall.

    The big difference is the Sharia thing is a permanent call to arms once big enough enclaves are formed.

    .


    Aside from the period during occasional riots, the writ of law runs everywhere in both
     
    .

    Only on the surface.

    .


    Capitalism requires a source of cheap labor.
     
    This is so wrong and so stupidly wrong I don't understand how people can't see it. It's the exact opposite of the truth and the cause of economic collapse over and over again.

    Capitalism requires demand which requires people to have money to spend.

    When labor gets too expensive capitalism requires *innovation* to increase productivity to bring unit labor costs back down.

    Cheap labor causes stagnation as can be seen all over the western world after decades of mass immigration.

  396. Three words:

    “Self Hating Racist.”

  397. @Jim Don Bob
    Right. "Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics." Attributed to Napolean.

    The MSM has been studiously uninterested in finding out where ISIS is getting its "stuff". Modern warfare, even at the ISIS level, requires lots of water, food, bullets, etc., Every Damn Day. Where are they getting this stuff?

    2) Why haven't the thousands of sorties we have flown managed to interdict much if any of their logistical tail? There is nowhere easier than the desert to find and kill the bad guys. Blue skies and nowhere to hide.

    “The MSM has been studiously uninterested in finding out where ISIS is getting its “stuff”. Modern warfare, even at the ISIS level, requires lots of water, food, bullets, etc., Every Damn Day. Where are they getting this stuff?”

    I don’t know, but a lot of their stuff says “U.S.” on it, so I assume it comes from Upper Syria.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    "I don’t know, but a lot of their stuff says “U.S.” on it, so I assume it comes from Upper Syria."

    Yep. Shipping arranged in Benghazi.
  398. @Jack D
    All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training. Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways. All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200' wide. It's not that hard.

    “All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training. Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways. All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200′ wide. It’s not that hard.”

    And they had several miles of straight-line flight on a clear sunny day with which to adjust their aim. But you are just employing common sense, whereas investigative genius Revusky is making use of his finely honed ignorance (“I’m not a pilot, but……”)

    This is always the argument, and often the only argument, of people like Revusky. I can’t understand how it could have happened, therefore it must have been a hoax. The argument from ignorance. Jonathan Revusky probably doesn’t understand how an MRI machine works; does he therefore believe that MRI machines are hoaxes? It’s all part of the MRI conspiracy? I imagine there are a lot of things that he doesn’t understand. All hoaxes?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    And they had several miles of straight-line flight on a clear sunny day with which to adjust their aim. But you are just employing common sense, whereas investigative genius Revusky is making use of his finely honed ignorance (“I’m not a pilot, but……”)
     
    So you are a pilot and thus know?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think neither of us are pilots. However, if you got to a site, http://pilotsfor911truth.org you will see that there are professional pilots with thousands of hours flying these "big birds" who claim that they could not do this. So who am I supposed to believe, an anonymous dipshit on a web page or them?

    The argument from ignorance. Jonathan Revusky probably doesn’t understand how an MRI machine works; does he therefore believe that MRI machines are hoaxes? It’s all part of the MRI conspiracy? I imagine there are a lot of things that he doesn’t understand. All hoaxes?
     
    Not only do I not understand how MRI machines work, I don't even understand what argument you're making. "Revusky doesn't understand how MRI machines work (you were guessing, but that is quite true...) and therefore Revusky believes they are hoaxes (untrue, of course....)"

    WTF IS YOUR ARGUMENT???!!!!

    I mean if I make the argument that Mr. Anon believes the government is always telling the truth about these events, therefore Mr. Anon is obviously a fucking idiot -- that seems like a much more cogent argument to me frankly....
    , @Anonymous
    There are highly qualified, highly experienced pilots, some who have tried to replicate the 9/11 flight paths on simulators, that believe that flying the planes into the buildings would have been very difficult. They include John Lear, son of the Learjet inventor, and a highly qualified and experienced former airline captain and CIA pilot:

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/911-affidavit-by-john-lear-son-of.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQtxTnDusk
  399. @Ron Unz


    Over time, I’ve gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those “crazy conspiracy theories.”
     
    Properly understood, the above had a certain redundant quality to it, does it not?

    I mean, if the aforementioned people *loudly* and *publicly* professed said beliefs, rather than “quietly and privately”, they would no longer be in the elite/establishment, would they!?
     
    Exactly. I think there's a very good example of that in the case of TWA Flight 800, which exploded just out of New York in 1996. Although I never paid any attention to the issue until recently, there seems to be an enormous amount of evidence it was destroyed by a missile, presumably accidentally hit by nearby American military forces during an exercise, and that's what a couple of a couple of solid people I know strongly believe.

    Soon after the crash, Pierre Salinger, a member of the elite American establishment, made that claim on TV, where he had become a prominent ABC correspondent, after serving as JFK press secretary and US Senator. He was quickly labelled a "kook" and mostly disappeared from television and the elite MSM. Whereas in Stalin's USSR, elites who strayed disappeared into the Gulag, in the USSA they mostly disappear from the TV Greenroom, which is generally enough to keep them quiet. There are several other clear examples that support this pattern.

    “Soon after the crash, Pierre Salinger, a member of the elite American establishment, made that claim on TV, where he had become a prominent ABC correspondent, after serving as JFK press secretary and US Senator.”

    What does Pierre Salinger know about aviation or missiles? And, after all, Salinger was such a dedicated journalist, covering up all the inside dirt on the Kennedy administration for all those years. If Salinger was such a fearless truth-teller, why did he leave that to other (real) investigative reporters?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    What does Pierre Salinger know about aviation or missiles?
     
    Very little I'd assume. I didn't pay any attention at the time, but I have the impression that all he did was say on national TV that there seemed to be a large number of local eye-witnesses who'd seen a missile hit the TWA flight. As a result, he was denounced as a "conspiracy nut" and was purged from the respectable elites. Supposedly, prior to that he'd been on TV quite frequently; afterwards, almost never.

    At the time, I didn't pay any attention to the story in my newspapers, since I assumed that if there were any credible evidence of a missile, the MSM would quickly discover and report it. The story immediately died, so I vaguely assumed Salinger had just gotten a little "kooky" and soon forgot about it.

    But then a couple of years ago, a major documentary investigation seemed to provide enormous evidence of a missile, and a couple of highly-credible people I personally know said they'd always thought it was a missile, but had kept quiet about it to avoid suffering Salinger's fate and getting purged. I've never investigated the issue myself, but all in all, I'd think there's about an 80% chance it was a missile. And if the government/MSM could successfully cover up that our careless military accidentally shot down a TWA flight just out of NYC that killed all those New Yorkers, I think it could cover up almost anything...

    Since the Media creates Reality, I'd say it's probably the most heavily policed portion of the USSA, far more so than e.g. elected officials. Ron Paul was in Congress for decades, and only a couple of half-hearted efforts were made to remove him. But if he'd said any of the same things on TV, he would have been gone within an hour...
  400. @Jonathan Revusky

    Are you willing to concede that some are not?
     
    I see. You're trying to keep the conversation on am abstract level. Rather than tell me which high profile terrorist attacks specifically were not false flags, in your opinion, you want to discuss the abstract question of whether "some", without specifying which ones, are not false flags.

    I guess you realize that if the conversation gets concrete, you're on very weak ground.

    If so, which ones?
     
    The high profile terrorist incidents I've done some minimal research on, certainly including 9/11, 7/7, and the Charlie Hebdo incident, all seem to be clear false flags. Moreover, the people who claim angrily that they were not always turn out never to have investigated the question. Their position is simply that it is unthinkable that tide authorities could be lying.

    If you say that some are not false flags, you should be able to tell me which ones, no? Specifically, could you name the highest profile "Islamist" terrorist attack that toy are confident was not a false flag?

    “I see. You’re trying to keep the conversation on am abstract level. Rather than tell me which high profile terrorist attacks specifically were not false flags, in your opinion, you want to discuss the abstract question of whether “some”, without specifying which ones, are not false flags.”

    No, I’m trying to see if there is anything – anything – that you do not believe to be a false-flag. The defining characteristic of people like you seems to be their willingness to believe that everything is some secret conspiracy, the details of which are known only to them.

    “I guess you realize that if the conversation gets concrete, you’re on very weak ground.”

    That’s funny, coming from someone who is treading water. I have no problem discussing it in the concrete.

    “The high profile terrorist incidents I’ve done some minimal research on, certainly including 9/11, 7/7, and the Charlie Hebdo incident, all seem to be clear false flags.”

    Oh. You’ve done “some minimal research” on them, and you conclude that they are “clear false flags”.

    “Moreover, the people who claim angrily that they were not always turn out never to have investigated the question. Their position is simply that it is unthinkable that tide authorities could be lying.”

    I have spent a considerable amount of time looking into the 9/11 truther claims made by people like you. I never found any so-called evidence of the buildings being mined or prepped (or “pulled”) that wasn’t complete crap. Many of the claims were simply fantastical and unphysical.

    “If you say that some are not false flags, you should be able to tell me which ones, no? Specifically, could you name the highest profile “Islamist” terrorist attack that toy are confident was not a false flag?”

    Yeah, almost all of them. Certainly 9/11.

    Now – answer my question – did we or did we not land on the Moon? As I said, your answer to this will help the rest of us evaluate everything else you say. Again – feel free to quote Dave McGown liberally. It will be amusing.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    “If you say that some are not false flags, you should be able to tell me which ones, no? Specifically, could you name the highest profile “Islamist” terrorist attack that toy are confident was not a false flag?”

    Yeah, almost all of them. Certainly 9/11.
     
    Okay, so I infer that you believe that the attacks were orchestrated by a bearded religious fanatic who was in Afghanistan and carried out by 19 Arab suicide hijackers, as claimed.

    You are certain of this. Could you tell me what specifically is the strongest piece of evidence that this is the case?

    Now – answer my question – did we or did we not land on the Moon?
     
    Correct. We definitely did or did not land on the moon.

    What does this have to do with whether the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by a bearded religious fanatic in Afghanistan?

    You seem to think that if you can demonstrate that somebody holds an incorrect belief about one specific topic, that this can be used to demonstrate that they are wrong about something entirely different. So, if I mistakenly believe that the capital of the U.K. is Manchester, I must be wrong about some completely unrelated topic. If a person is wrong about one thing, then they are wrong about everything, no?

    Why are you jerking around with such a ridiculous, transparently fallacious line of argumentation?

    In any case, again, what is, in your opinion, the strongest piece of evidence that the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by the bearded guy in Afghanistan?
  401. @Desiderius
    Stow it, Unz.

    We can do both.

    “Stow it, Unz.

    We can do both.”

    I am not Ron Unz.

    And – based on what is actually happening to this country – No, you can’t.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Unz agreed with your comment.

    Mostly joking, but among people actually affected by those problems (a growing number, conservative and otherwise) sports and gaming are a means of escape akin to alcohol or, you know, bitching on the internet. Doesn't mean they aren't aware of the problems. How could they not be?

    The oblivious ones are those in charge.
  402. @Jack D
    Thousands of years? Nah. More like hundreds. Mainly it would be the period from the fall of Constantinople (1453) to the Russian capture of Crimea (1774) so say 300 years. A long time, but not "thousands".

    No, there was white-slavey prior to the fall of Constantinople. Certainly during the viking era. The Ottomans were not the only people in the near-east who desired white women; the Persians, Seljuks, and probably others did too.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    No, there was white-slavey prior to the fall of Constantinople. Certainly during the viking era. The Ottomans were not the only people in the near-east who desired white women; the Persians, Seljuks, and probably others did too.
     
    More evidence that European women are the world's most desirable. Part of the reason is the penetration of American movies and culture all over the Third World? The viewers in say Pakistan want to see the white women on screen. Such as in ye old Sean Connery-Roger Moore James Bond movies. Alas, now the Bond girls have to be multicultural. Sophie Marceau was my favorite Bond girl if I can include villains.
    http://my.xfinity.com/slideshow/entertainment-bondcurse/4/
  403. @German_reader
    Doesn't matter, it is well-known that fake Syrian passports are for sale in the Mideast...what matters is that someone with that passport landed as a "refugee" in Greece.

    It does matter.

    This event will be used to support two different actions:
    1. To end/reduce the flow of Syrian passport holders into Europe.
    2. As a excuse to attack Syria.

    A fake passport legitimately supports only the former.

    • Replies: @5371
    Now that talk about the false passport seems to have been abandoned - French prosecutors are saying the terrorist was the same individual who presented himself in Greece as a "refugee".
  404. @Jack D
    You're exaggerating. The Muslim areas are no different than black ghettos in America. Aside from the period during occasional riots, the writ of law runs everywhere in both. There are municipal fire stations, police stations, public schools, etc. that operate every day during non-riot periods, which is 99% of the time.

    Capitalism requires a source of cheap labor. In America, before the blacks in the North it was the Irish and more recently it is Mexicans. In Europe, it is Muslims. The new immigrants always live in crime ridden ghettos where nice people don't go. Hell, in Minneapolis there was once a Swedish ghetto filled with these strange blond giants who stank of herring and all good people knew to stay away.

    [Capitalism requires a source of cheap labor.]

    Capitalists want would be closer to the mark, and even that isn’t true of all. There was a guy called Henry Ford who said the worker should be paid enough to buy his own products. Perhaps you haven’t heard of him and would be interested in some of his views on the world in general.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    That's a complete myth. What if the workers are building jetliners or Lincoln Continentals?

    The real story was that Ford did this in order to reduce staff turnover, a perfectly capitalist thing to do.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/
  405. @Hunsdon
    1. Never take what a political leader tells you at face value. Whether a statement serves their goals is far more important than whether it is true or not. If what a politician tells you happens to be true, it’s just a coincidence.

    Some people hated the Soviet Union because they were communist, some people hated the Soviet Union because they were Russian. I've got a guess which of the two groups includes you.

    He fears that the statement might be accurate applied to another ethnic group, so he transfers it to Russians.

  406. @gruff

    Is there any such term for those who have an unduly amount of self-hatred for their own kind?
     
    Good question. Just working with Google translate I came up with:

    οικείος - intimate, familiar
    φυλή - race, tribe, clan
    έθνος - nation, race

    Anglicised, that would give us

    ecophobe
    phylophobe
    ethnophobe

    Not sure how satisfactory these are. Any scholars of Greek able to help?


    Merkel deliberately doesn't understand: it's not an attack on "liberties". It's an attack on Europeans, period.

    As to how the plot went undetected: jihadis are obviously using nonelectronic communications whenever possible. All intelligent subversives do or should do the same. Anything digital is as good as public.

    I believe Steve came up with the term ethnomasochist.

  407. @TangoMan
    miseautogenist

    Congratulations. I googled this term to see if anyone else had used it and the only hit was to this thread.

    My life is complete then. Thank you CuiPertinebit.

  408. @Bill Jones
    It does matter.

    This event will be used to support two different actions:
    1. To end/reduce the flow of Syrian passport holders into Europe.
    2. As a excuse to attack Syria.

    A fake passport legitimately supports only the former.

    Now that talk about the false passport seems to have been abandoned – French prosecutors are saying the terrorist was the same individual who presented himself in Greece as a “refugee”.

  409. @Mr. Anon
    "I see. You’re trying to keep the conversation on am abstract level. Rather than tell me which high profile terrorist attacks specifically were not false flags, in your opinion, you want to discuss the abstract question of whether “some”, without specifying which ones, are not false flags."

    No, I'm trying to see if there is anything - anything - that you do not believe to be a false-flag. The defining characteristic of people like you seems to be their willingness to believe that everything is some secret conspiracy, the details of which are known only to them.

    "I guess you realize that if the conversation gets concrete, you’re on very weak ground."

    That's funny, coming from someone who is treading water. I have no problem discussing it in the concrete.

    "The high profile terrorist incidents I’ve done some minimal research on, certainly including 9/11, 7/7, and the Charlie Hebdo incident, all seem to be clear false flags."

    Oh. You've done "some minimal research" on them, and you conclude that they are "clear false flags".

    "Moreover, the people who claim angrily that they were not always turn out never to have investigated the question. Their position is simply that it is unthinkable that tide authorities could be lying."

    I have spent a considerable amount of time looking into the 9/11 truther claims made by people like you. I never found any so-called evidence of the buildings being mined or prepped (or "pulled") that wasn't complete crap. Many of the claims were simply fantastical and unphysical.

    "If you say that some are not false flags, you should be able to tell me which ones, no? Specifically, could you name the highest profile “Islamist” terrorist attack that toy are confident was not a false flag?"

    Yeah, almost all of them. Certainly 9/11.

    Now - answer my question - did we or did we not land on the Moon? As I said, your answer to this will help the rest of us evaluate everything else you say. Again - feel free to quote Dave McGown liberally. It will be amusing.

    “If you say that some are not false flags, you should be able to tell me which ones, no? Specifically, could you name the highest profile “Islamist” terrorist attack that toy are confident was not a false flag?”

    Yeah, almost all of them. Certainly 9/11.

    Okay, so I infer that you believe that the attacks were orchestrated by a bearded religious fanatic who was in Afghanistan and carried out by 19 Arab suicide hijackers, as claimed.

    You are certain of this. Could you tell me what specifically is the strongest piece of evidence that this is the case?

    Now – answer my question – did we or did we not land on the Moon?

    Correct. We definitely did or did not land on the moon.

    What does this have to do with whether the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by a bearded religious fanatic in Afghanistan?

    You seem to think that if you can demonstrate that somebody holds an incorrect belief about one specific topic, that this can be used to demonstrate that they are wrong about something entirely different. So, if I mistakenly believe that the capital of the U.K. is Manchester, I must be wrong about some completely unrelated topic. If a person is wrong about one thing, then they are wrong about everything, no?

    Why are you jerking around with such a ridiculous, transparently fallacious line of argumentation?

    In any case, again, what is, in your opinion, the strongest piece of evidence that the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by the bearded guy in Afghanistan?

  410. @Mr. Anon
    "Soon after the crash, Pierre Salinger, a member of the elite American establishment, made that claim on TV, where he had become a prominent ABC correspondent, after serving as JFK press secretary and US Senator."

    What does Pierre Salinger know about aviation or missiles? And, after all, Salinger was such a dedicated journalist, covering up all the inside dirt on the Kennedy administration for all those years. If Salinger was such a fearless truth-teller, why did he leave that to other (real) investigative reporters?

    What does Pierre Salinger know about aviation or missiles?

    Very little I’d assume. I didn’t pay any attention at the time, but I have the impression that all he did was say on national TV that there seemed to be a large number of local eye-witnesses who’d seen a missile hit the TWA flight. As a result, he was denounced as a “conspiracy nut” and was purged from the respectable elites. Supposedly, prior to that he’d been on TV quite frequently; afterwards, almost never.

    At the time, I didn’t pay any attention to the story in my newspapers, since I assumed that if there were any credible evidence of a missile, the MSM would quickly discover and report it. The story immediately died, so I vaguely assumed Salinger had just gotten a little “kooky” and soon forgot about it.

    But then a couple of years ago, a major documentary investigation seemed to provide enormous evidence of a missile, and a couple of highly-credible people I personally know said they’d always thought it was a missile, but had kept quiet about it to avoid suffering Salinger’s fate and getting purged. I’ve never investigated the issue myself, but all in all, I’d think there’s about an 80% chance it was a missile. And if the government/MSM could successfully cover up that our careless military accidentally shot down a TWA flight just out of NYC that killed all those New Yorkers, I think it could cover up almost anything…

    Since the Media creates Reality, I’d say it’s probably the most heavily policed portion of the USSA, far more so than e.g. elected officials. Ron Paul was in Congress for decades, and only a couple of half-hearted efforts were made to remove him. But if he’d said any of the same things on TV, he would have been gone within an hour…

    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    After this initial comment, I looked over the wiki on the incident, and it does appear that there is some persistent and unexplained evidence that supports an explosion and/or a missile strike. More important, the FBI itself conducted its own investigation -- which took years -- on the assumption that a detonation or missile strike was a possible cause. It follows therefore that Salinger's opinion was in no way out of bounds.

    This is what we know: (a) a plane blew up and crashed, (b) it is possible that the detonation was caused by an external source (e.g., a missile), (c) even the people who investigated the accident, the FBI and the NTSB, thought it was possible.

    So then the real question is, would the government ever conceal information, for any variety of reasons, not necessarily nefarious ones? Of course they would.

    That said, I have no idea what happened here but the scenario of an error that was then concealed is certainly possible and even plausible.
    , @Anonym
    Since the Media creates Reality, I’d say it’s probably the most heavily policed portion of the USSA, far more so than e.g. elected officials. Ron Paul was in Congress for decades, and only a couple of half-hearted efforts were made to remove him. But if he’d said any of the same things on TV, he would have been gone within an hour…

    In your view, who is doing the policing?
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    ...I’d think there’s about an 80% chance it was a missile.
     
    Well, I think the deeper point is that, whether Salinger was right or wrong in this instance is actually kind of irrelevant. Salinger was not "banished" for "being wrong".

    Were any of those talking heads who told us that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction ever banished?

    All the columnists in the N.Y. Times are always absolutely wrong about absolutely everything and are they ever "banished"?

    (Etcetera, etcetera... I'm just getting started.... I could get a riff going and develop the rant further, but that would be self indulgent, wouldn't it now? ;-) So the rest of the rant is left as a trivial exercise for the reader to fill in...)
  411. Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of “crazy conspiracy theories” perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain “the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site” that apparently so irritates “Svigor.”

    “Disappoints” is the word I’d choose. I’ll take free cesspools over leftist-censored cesspools any day. But I prefer Steve-censorship over either, was my point. I mean, consider my posts for a moment. Do my ideas really seem like the sort of thing Steve would let through if he was censoring ideas, per se? Steve’s censorship seems to be more about censoring for wackos. That’s the depressing thing about free speech; it’s so rare, it becomes a wacko magnet.

    The Left Wing media already has an extreme hatred for Christianity despite there being no Christian version of ISIS. So can you imagine how much more Christian bashing there would be in the Left Wing media if a study came out revealing that 10 percent of the world’s Christian population are either terrorists or are open to the idea of joining a terrorist organization. You would have Left Wing politicians in North America and Europe trying to pass laws to ban Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical, Mormon, Quaker, Baptist churches, etc because they say Christianity and all of it’s different branches represent the epitome of hate just like Neo Nazism.

    Perhaps. Another possibility is that if Christians were in the habit of shooting or blowing up leftists for popping off at the mouth, leftists would pop off less at the mouth toward Christians. Seems much more likely to me. Leftists appease the violent, and abuse the passive.

    There is really a word missing for describing hate or hostility toward whites.
    If you say blacks are racist towards whites, it sounds stupid.
    And anti-white-racism sounds even more stupid.

    There is antisemitism and racism, but the latter just means hatred from whites.

    I don’t see what’s wrong with saying leftists are racist (against whites). Doesn’t sound stupid to me at all. Same goes for calling blacks racists.

    Seems stupid to leave such a well-honed blade on the ground.

    One of the differences here is that Jews are directly being targeted. In 9/11 there was no specific targeting of Jews. Do Jews in France, who tend to vote centre-right really want more Arabs in France?

    The establishment’s response to 9/11 in this context was interesting. I noticed no attempt to play up the Jewishness of the target or the victims, or any attempt to play up anti-Semitism in the attackers’ target-selection. In fact, a great many “ANTI-SEMITIC!!!” commenters on the web loudly announced that there were no Jewish victims (they were all warned off beforehand by Mossad), ad infinitum, and there was no discussion of this by the establishment, no denial in response.

    My take is that the Jewish establishment decided to downplay the Jewishness of the victims and the target for two reasons: 1, ‘Murricans needed to identify with the victims, and 2, ‘Murricans needed to not think hanging around with Jews might get you killed.

    There was more official discussion of the goyim squabbling over the demographics of the memorial (“too white! Not black enough” vs. “gee, sorry all the firefighters risking their lives and dying were white”)

  412. @Mr. Anon
    "Stow it, Unz.

    We can do both."

    I am not Ron Unz.

    And - based on what is actually happening to this country - No, you can't.

    Unz agreed with your comment.

    Mostly joking, but among people actually affected by those problems (a growing number, conservative and otherwise) sports and gaming are a means of escape akin to alcohol or, you know, bitching on the internet. Doesn’t mean they aren’t aware of the problems. How could they not be?

    The oblivious ones are those in charge.

  413. @Mr. Anon
    "All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training. Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways. All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200′ wide. It’s not that hard."

    And they had several miles of straight-line flight on a clear sunny day with which to adjust their aim. But you are just employing common sense, whereas investigative genius Revusky is making use of his finely honed ignorance ("I'm not a pilot, but......")

    This is always the argument, and often the only argument, of people like Revusky. I can't understand how it could have happened, therefore it must have been a hoax. The argument from ignorance. Jonathan Revusky probably doesn't understand how an MRI machine works; does he therefore believe that MRI machines are hoaxes? It's all part of the MRI conspiracy? I imagine there are a lot of things that he doesn't understand. All hoaxes?

    And they had several miles of straight-line flight on a clear sunny day with which to adjust their aim. But you are just employing common sense, whereas investigative genius Revusky is making use of his finely honed ignorance (“I’m not a pilot, but……”)

    So you are a pilot and thus know?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think neither of us are pilots. However, if you got to a site, http://pilotsfor911truth.org you will see that there are professional pilots with thousands of hours flying these “big birds” who claim that they could not do this. So who am I supposed to believe, an anonymous dipshit on a web page or them?

    The argument from ignorance. Jonathan Revusky probably doesn’t understand how an MRI machine works; does he therefore believe that MRI machines are hoaxes? It’s all part of the MRI conspiracy? I imagine there are a lot of things that he doesn’t understand. All hoaxes?

    Not only do I not understand how MRI machines work, I don’t even understand what argument you’re making. “Revusky doesn’t understand how MRI machines work (you were guessing, but that is quite true…) and therefore Revusky believes they are hoaxes (untrue, of course….)”

    WTF IS YOUR ARGUMENT???!!!!

    I mean if I make the argument that Mr. Anon believes the government is always telling the truth about these events, therefore Mr. Anon is obviously a fucking idiot — that seems like a much more cogent argument to me frankly….

  414. Ron, the trouble is psychos drive away the sane. Just look at that Cockburn thread. Teh crazy is thick in there.

  415. @Bert
    You're an idiot.

    “You’re an idiot.”

    You are the idiot. Show me pictures of large crowds on the streets entirely made up of Arabs that are a Blondtopia? Show me a large gathering of Arabs which most people would mistake for a large gathering of Northern Europeans.

  416. @Jack D
    All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training. Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways. All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200' wide. It's not that hard.

    All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training.

    Well, of course. The patsies had to have had some flight training, since otherwise, they could not be credibly framed for the crime.

    As it happens, they attended some flight academy in Florida somewhere that had CIA links. They were, by all accounts, utterly execrable students, mostly because they had such poor English. This is worth pondering, you know. If you were tasked with flying a plane into a building in Russia, would you go to Russia over a year before the attacks, take an intensive Russian language course and then enrol in a flight academy in which the language of instruction was Russian?

    Why would anybody ever do that? Why wouldn’t they study how to fly the plane in their own language (or some language they actually knew) and then go to America at the last possible moment to carry out the operation? Also, that way, they would reduce the chance of attracting the attention of the relevant government agencies.

    IOW, is this whole narrative at all credible? Have you ever thought about this?

    Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways.

    Yes, but not at 500 mph. The typical landing speed for a Boeing airliner seems to be a bit over 150 mph. See: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090422235300AAi5qU7

    In any case, the plane is being flown by an experienced professional, not somebody flying the plane for the first time. If you look at the site: http://pilotsfor911truth.org you see that there is much debate over whether these planes can even fly at that speed at sea level.

    Again, there’s a pretty strong sense one gets reading discussions involving people with thousands of hours of experience flying these planes, that a novice flying the plane for the first time would not be able to do this. Moreover, it beggars belief that anybody would hatch a plan that involved people who had never flown the planes before being able to do it.

    All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200′ wide. It’s not that hard.

    So when experienced professionals pilots with thousands of hours experience say they could not do this, and certainly nobody flying the planes for the first time could do it, who am I supposed to believe?

  417. Those jumbo jets are huge and require years of training and practice to be able to fly meaning those pilots had a lot of training that was given them somewhere. Some people have bought into the official story of them acquiring their skills through those small flight schools which were just about training on some small personal propeller planes, no similarity whatsoever.

    I’m not a pilot, but…

    You can find PC flight simulators for a loooot of aircraft (the attackers reportedly used Microsoft Flight Simulator) I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn the attackers trained on the exact plane they’d be flying, with simulated craft nearly identical to the real thing.

    They didn’t have to do the hard parts – taking off and landing. They hijacked planes already in flight, and just had to change the autopilot settings and/or steer it a bit off course. But who could ever expect a Muslim (they’re all brown and stupid, am I right?) to do anything that requires half a brain?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "You can find PC flight simulators for a loooot of aircraft (the attackers reportedly used Microsoft Flight Simulator) I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn the attackers trained on the exact plane they’d be flying, with simulated craft nearly identical to the real thing."

    Some of them didn't just train on MS Flight Simulator; some of them trained on actual flight simulators at a flight school. Not extensively, but then as Steve pointed out, they neither had to take off or land, which are the most difficult parts of flying a plane.
  418. @Hunsdon
    Jesus, Jefferson, it's like you just can't stop yourself. "Chechens are not Arabs. Hence why you don't see any Chechens who look like Osama bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad." Ahmadinejad isn't an Arab, Jefferson, he's Persian, Iranian.

    “Jesus, Jefferson, it’s like you just can’t stop yourself. “Chechens are not Arabs. Hence why you don’t see any Chechens who look like Osama bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.” Ahmadinejad isn’t an Arab, Jefferson, he’s Persian, Iranian.”

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has a hooked nose, dark bags under his eyes, and bushy eyebrows which are Semite Arab physical traits. If a live action film was ever made about Aladdin, he could easily be Jafar.

    Nobody would ever mistake Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s face for a WASP face.

  419. @Ron Unz

    What does Pierre Salinger know about aviation or missiles?
     
    Very little I'd assume. I didn't pay any attention at the time, but I have the impression that all he did was say on national TV that there seemed to be a large number of local eye-witnesses who'd seen a missile hit the TWA flight. As a result, he was denounced as a "conspiracy nut" and was purged from the respectable elites. Supposedly, prior to that he'd been on TV quite frequently; afterwards, almost never.

    At the time, I didn't pay any attention to the story in my newspapers, since I assumed that if there were any credible evidence of a missile, the MSM would quickly discover and report it. The story immediately died, so I vaguely assumed Salinger had just gotten a little "kooky" and soon forgot about it.

    But then a couple of years ago, a major documentary investigation seemed to provide enormous evidence of a missile, and a couple of highly-credible people I personally know said they'd always thought it was a missile, but had kept quiet about it to avoid suffering Salinger's fate and getting purged. I've never investigated the issue myself, but all in all, I'd think there's about an 80% chance it was a missile. And if the government/MSM could successfully cover up that our careless military accidentally shot down a TWA flight just out of NYC that killed all those New Yorkers, I think it could cover up almost anything...

    Since the Media creates Reality, I'd say it's probably the most heavily policed portion of the USSA, far more so than e.g. elected officials. Ron Paul was in Congress for decades, and only a couple of half-hearted efforts were made to remove him. But if he'd said any of the same things on TV, he would have been gone within an hour...

    After this initial comment, I looked over the wiki on the incident, and it does appear that there is some persistent and unexplained evidence that supports an explosion and/or a missile strike. More important, the FBI itself conducted its own investigation — which took years — on the assumption that a detonation or missile strike was a possible cause. It follows therefore that Salinger’s opinion was in no way out of bounds.

    This is what we know: (a) a plane blew up and crashed, (b) it is possible that the detonation was caused by an external source (e.g., a missile), (c) even the people who investigated the accident, the FBI and the NTSB, thought it was possible.

    So then the real question is, would the government ever conceal information, for any variety of reasons, not necessarily nefarious ones? Of course they would.

    That said, I have no idea what happened here but the scenario of an error that was then concealed is certainly possible and even plausible.

  420. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Thousands of years? Nah. More like hundreds. Mainly it would be the period from the fall of Constantinople (1453) to the Russian capture of Crimea (1774) so say 300 years. A long time, but not "thousands".

    It goes back to the Bronze Age.

    .

    Ottomans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Khanate

    For a long time, until the early 18th century, the khanate maintained a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East, exporting about 2 million slaves from Russia and Poland-Lithuania over the period 1500–1700.[8] Caffa was one of the best known and significant trading ports and slave markets.[9] In 1769, a last major Tatar raid saw the capture of 20,000 Russian and Ruthenian slaves

    .

    pre-Ottomans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Rise_of_the_Rus.27_and_the_collapse_of_the_Khazarian_state

    The Khazars constituted one of the two great furnishers of slaves to the Muslim market (the other being the Iranian Sâmânid amîrs), supplying it with captured Slavs and tribesmen from the Eurasian northlands.[91] It was profits from the latter which enabled it to maintain a standard army of Khwarezm Muslim troops.

    roman era

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Crimea#Roman_Empire

    “Taurica enjoyed a relative golden period under Roman leadership during the 2nd century CE, with huge commerce of wheat, clothing, wine and slaves.”

    It goes back before that as well.

    .

    There’s been horse tribes in that region since the Bronze Age and they raided the settled farmer population for slaves and sold them to various east Med. merchant groups at trading settlements along the Crimean coast like Odessa for c. 3000 years until the Russian conquest of Crimea in 1700 something.

  421. @Jonathan Revusky

    Who do you like more? The Mossad or The Jihad?
     
    I don't know any Mossad agents or jihadists personally. I probably have more in common culturally with the Mossad agents though.

    Who would you prefer to be murdered by? Mossad agents or jihadists?

    (Or Mossad agents dressed up as jihadists... ;-))

    Good answer. In the clash of civilizations between The Jihadists and The Mossadists I favor the Mossadists.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    Good answer. In the clash of civilizations between The Jihadists and The Mossadists I favor the Mossadists.
     
    Okay, but you didn't address the central point at issue. It's it your position that the Mossad does not carry out false flag terrorist attacks? (Framing Arabs for them typically...) I'll help you. There are three possible answers:

    1. Yes.

    2. No.

    3. I don't know.

    Which of the above is your position?
  422. @Mr. Anon
    No, there was white-slavey prior to the fall of Constantinople. Certainly during the viking era. The Ottomans were not the only people in the near-east who desired white women; the Persians, Seljuks, and probably others did too.

    No, there was white-slavey prior to the fall of Constantinople. Certainly during the viking era. The Ottomans were not the only people in the near-east who desired white women; the Persians, Seljuks, and probably others did too.

    More evidence that European women are the world’s most desirable. Part of the reason is the penetration of American movies and culture all over the Third World? The viewers in say Pakistan want to see the white women on screen. Such as in ye old Sean Connery-Roger Moore James Bond movies. Alas, now the Bond girls have to be multicultural. Sophie Marceau was my favorite Bond girl if I can include villains.
    http://my.xfinity.com/slideshow/entertainment-bondcurse/4/

  423. @Jack D
    All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training. Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways. All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200' wide. It's not that hard.

    I understand that they had flight training. So is it that easy to fly jumbo jets? It sounds like anyone can do it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Flying isn'y that complicated. It's the part about landing safely that's tricky. That's when, ideally, you'd want to have Captain Sullenberger at the controls.
  424. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    You're exaggerating. The Muslim areas are no different than black ghettos in America. Aside from the period during occasional riots, the writ of law runs everywhere in both. There are municipal fire stations, police stations, public schools, etc. that operate every day during non-riot periods, which is 99% of the time.

    Capitalism requires a source of cheap labor. In America, before the blacks in the North it was the Irish and more recently it is Mexicans. In Europe, it is Muslims. The new immigrants always live in crime ridden ghettos where nice people don't go. Hell, in Minneapolis there was once a Swedish ghetto filled with these strange blond giants who stank of herring and all good people knew to stay away.

    You’re exaggerating. The Muslim areas are no different than black ghettos in America.

    Well if the media admitted that much then it would be 4/5 of what I said and taking the next step to low level guerrilla war over Sharia would be seen as what it is – the next step.

    Which is what happened briefly in black ghettos if you recall.

    The big difference is the Sharia thing is a permanent call to arms once big enough enclaves are formed.

    .

    Aside from the period during occasional riots, the writ of law runs everywhere in both

    .

    Only on the surface.

    .

    Capitalism requires a source of cheap labor.

    This is so wrong and so stupidly wrong I don’t understand how people can’t see it. It’s the exact opposite of the truth and the cause of economic collapse over and over again.

    Capitalism requires demand which requires people to have money to spend.

    When labor gets too expensive capitalism requires *innovation* to increase productivity to bring unit labor costs back down.

    Cheap labor causes stagnation as can be seen all over the western world after decades of mass immigration.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    And any as Christopher Caldwell pointed out in "A Revolution in Europe", and as multiple studies have shown, Muslims, and most third-world groups, are a lousy long-term bet as a work force.

    Caldwell pointed out that whilst the initial post-war Turkish wave did indeed expand the German workforce somewhat the subsequent very large increase in Germany's Turkish population amazingly did not entail any further increase in the workforce. In other words, once the ghettoes had been created, new Turks lived off welfare.

    Even the latest migration wave "boost" to the Eurozone economy of a fraction of one per cent will be quickly erased by crushing future welfare costs; to speak of nothing else. This is the economics of the madhouse.

    To repeat Caldwell's key point: no population in Europe would have swapped the very modest increases in GDP for the traumas of mass migration, if they had ever been given a straight choice.
  425. @Jack D
    All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training. Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways. All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200' wide. It's not that hard.

    Yes, but the wingspan of the Boeing 767 is almost as wide as the building. The target to projectile ratio was not that high.

  426. @Ron Unz

    It’s very easy to get caught up in conspiracy theories but the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. Maybe 9/11 was a CIA operation, but maybe Ron Unz is really a Russian agent – it’s easy to make up fact free conspiracy theories.
     
    Well, given the glancing, mostly critical discussion of "crazy conspiracy theories" perhaps I should provide my own perspective, which may also help explain "the comment cesspools pretty much everywhere else on this site" that apparently so irritates "Svigor."

    There are certain areas where I believe I have a great deal of personal expertise (though certainly others might disagree). However, national security and intelligence issues have never been among these, so my natural default was always to more or less assume the standard MSM narrative. However, over the last 15 years, it's become very clear to me that the MSM narrative is highly "unreliable," so it's very useful to have convenient access to all the dozens of competing narratives. Probably they're wrong, but who can be sure?

    Here's another interesting development from just the last few years. It's clear that many of the random, anonymous commenters on this thread are harshly critical of "conspiracy theories," which they claim are only believed by nuts, kooks, and the gullible. Well, maybe they're correct and maybe they aren't.

    Over time, I've gradually discovered that some of the most elite-establishment people I personally know *quietly* and *privately* believe in some of those "crazy conspiracy theories." These are very smart, solid individuals with the best possible elite connections. So I have to weigh their opinion against the strong contrary views of random website commenters, many of whom seem very ignorant or gullible about all sorts of other things, some of which happen to be in my own areas of greatest personal expertise.

    Here's one small, second-hand example. I was told by a very reliable source that at a small dinner party a few years ago a former French Defense Minister casually explained to the other guests (all members of the top political/media elite) a "crazy conspiracy theory" of 9/11. The source who told me the story emphasized that the former minister was widely regarded as one of the most intelligent and credible members of the French political elite, and he said that proved that even the smartest, most solid government leaders can sometimes firmly believe in "crazy things."

    Well, maybe. Offhand, I'd guess that the French Intelligence service is one of the best four or five in the world, and if someone with top-level access to their findings believes in "crazy things," well then, maybe those things are crazy and maybe they're not.

    I'm sure lots of the anonymous commenters here will ridicule and denounce this perspective. So they're certainly free to go back to their usual pastime of denouncing "the incoming hordes of Mexican rapists" and praising Donald Trump...

    I have to share Sailer’s belief that conspiracies are how things get done.

  427. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training. Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways. All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200′ wide. It’s not that hard."

    And they had several miles of straight-line flight on a clear sunny day with which to adjust their aim. But you are just employing common sense, whereas investigative genius Revusky is making use of his finely honed ignorance ("I'm not a pilot, but......")

    This is always the argument, and often the only argument, of people like Revusky. I can't understand how it could have happened, therefore it must have been a hoax. The argument from ignorance. Jonathan Revusky probably doesn't understand how an MRI machine works; does he therefore believe that MRI machines are hoaxes? It's all part of the MRI conspiracy? I imagine there are a lot of things that he doesn't understand. All hoaxes?

    There are highly qualified, highly experienced pilots, some who have tried to replicate the 9/11 flight paths on simulators, that believe that flying the planes into the buildings would have been very difficult. They include John Lear, son of the Learjet inventor, and a highly qualified and experienced former airline captain and CIA pilot:

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/911-affidavit-by-john-lear-son-of.html

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "There are highly qualified, highly experienced pilots, some who have tried to replicate the 9/11 flight paths on simulators, that believe that flying the planes into the buildings would have been very difficult. They include John Lear, son of the Learjet inventor, and a highly qualified and experienced former airline captain and CIA pilot:

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/911-affidavit-by-john-lear-son-of.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQtxTnDusk"

    Those two links say two different things. The second says that the hijackers couldn't have flown the planes. The first, by Lear, says that planes couldn't have hit the buildings.

    So................no planes hit the buildings at all? All the eye-witnessness and the many videos taken of the event were wrong? There were actually no planes at all? Lear is an airplane driver. The link you provided indicates he doesn't know much about physics. His purported explanations of how these planes couldn't have possibly impacted the WTC buildings strike me as simplistic and fallacious.
  428. @SEATAF
    You've got brilliant coinages. The problem, I hate to say, is that they can be traced back to you, and reading iSteve is about as acceptable in SWPL land as reading the Daily Worker was in 1950.

    Yeah, I’d love to be able to use “occam’s butterknife” in public

    • Replies: @SEATAF
    Invade the world, invite the world--also ought to be famous.
  429. @Jack D
    All of the 9/11 pilots had received flight training. Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways. All these guys had to do was hit the side of a huge building that was over 200' wide. It's not that hard.

    Planes land every day within a few feet of the centerline of airport runways – at a landing speed of about 130 knots. Planes cruise at about 500 knots. They would not be landing in the middle of runways if they tried to land at cruising speeds.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    Planes cruise at about 500 knots.
     
    That's at an altitude of over 30,000 feet where the air resistance is far lower. Can these planes even fly that fast at sea level?

    And if so, how credible is it that a novice pilot could control the plane at that speed near sea level?
  430. @Luke Lea
    Below is a fairly easy to understand argument, one I've not heard before, in favor a moratorium on further mass Muslim immigration into the United States:

    Stereotypes are useful when the sample size is large.

    Thus while it is true that the overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants and their children do not fit the stereotype of being potentially violent jihadis or jihadi sympathizers hostile to the West, a not insignificant minority do, around 10% according to Pew (http://goo.gl/zVvDzy). Like all stereotypes -- or, at least, all stereotypes that become widely shared -- this one too contains a kernel of truth (https://goo.gl/ogJOnw).

    It follows that if we go forward and allow ten thousand Syrian refugees into the country as the Obama administration has already started to do (http://goo.gl/P67urG), we are likely to be letting up to a thousand future terrorists and terrorist sympathizers into our midst.

    Is this something any responsible politician would want us to do?"

    I hope Trump uses this argument in the weeks ahead.

    The “but most aren’t violent” argument is true, but irrelevant.

    Even if they were all peaceful, there is absolutely no reason for them to be brought into our countries and geneflows, short of destroying/replacing both.

    We have enough of our own to provide for, the competition for the resource base to do so grows by the minute, and we haven’t even begun to live out the potential of Northern Europe’s/western civilization’s genome.

    We aimed for the stars–the blacks (more accurately, their handlers) brought in mule wagons and convinced the sensitive to feel guilty about that. “You can’t create/have cool things that others can’t create! Give them yours!”

    Insane/resentful BPD mommy behavior.

  431. @5371
    [Capitalism requires a source of cheap labor.]

    Capitalists want would be closer to the mark, and even that isn't true of all. There was a guy called Henry Ford who said the worker should be paid enough to buy his own products. Perhaps you haven't heard of him and would be interested in some of his views on the world in general.

    That’s a complete myth. What if the workers are building jetliners or Lincoln Continentals?

    The real story was that Ford did this in order to reduce staff turnover, a perfectly capitalist thing to do.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/

    • Replies: @5371
    I think I'll go with the man's own word rather than that of a libertarian idiot 90 years later, thanks.
  432. @Anonymous
    I understand that they had flight training. So is it that easy to fly jumbo jets? It sounds like anyone can do it.

    Flying isn’y that complicated. It’s the part about landing safely that’s tricky. That’s when, ideally, you’d want to have Captain Sullenberger at the controls.