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The IQs of NFL players are back in the news due to the controversy over race-norming cognitive testing used in the NFL’s payout to retired players for dementia caused by concussions. Here’s a 2012 study in the Journal of Sports Economics that tabulated the Wonderlic IQ test scores for 350 black and 146 white NFL draft picks in 2004-2008:

The Wonderlic is a 12 minute pencil and paper IQ test that consists of 50 questions, with the equivalent of two points per right answer. Originally, 20 right answers was said to be a 100, but last I checked in the early 2000s, the average score had Flynn Effect-ed up to 21. So zero right answers would be a 58 IQ and 50 right answers would be a 158 IQ.

So black NFL draft picks average 97.5 while white draft picks average 113.5, for a racial gap of 15.9 points, a little over one standard deviation (which is usually set to 15 points). (Black picks average somewhat more than one standard deviation faster on the 40 yard dash.)

Both scores are well above national averages for their races. Why? My guess is that players’ agents help them prep for the test.

But also, some positions, such quarterback, center, and middle linebacker include managing other players on the field with shouted instructions before the play begins. These shouting positions are near the center of the football field (so that all players on the team can hear), so footspeed isn’t as important. Not surprisingly, whites are more common at these spots.

And with most things in life, all else being equal, higher IQ is better than lower IQ, although it doesn’t matter that much in the non-managerial positions in the NFL draft. Finally, smart guys are less likely to do things so dumb that even star football players have their pro prospects ruined in high school or college, like shoot somebody who dissed them at a block party.

This table is from:

Wonderlic, Race, and the NFL Draft
Andrew Gill1 and Victor Brajer

Abstract
Extending the work of Berri and Simmons on the National Football League (NFL) player draft and the Scouting Combine, the authors use the Wonderlic cognitive ability test to test one implication of a simple Phelps model of statistical discrimination in the NFL draft. The authors treat Wonderlic scores as a noisy signal of a player’s adaptability to the NFL game that may be more informative for White players than it is for Black players. The authors find that Wonderlic scores are important in explaining relative draft position for quarterbacks, offensive linemen, and tight ends. At the same time, the authors find limited evidence to support statistical discrimination based on Wonderlic scores. …

The first key result of this exercise is that Wonderlic scores are important in explaining draft selection only for the offensive positions of quarterback, offensive lineman, and tight end. It should probably come as no surprise that Wonderlic scores are small and insignificant for defensive players, as they more typically have to react to situations that develop, a skill not likely to be as highly correlated with results from a test of cognitive ability. It is less clear why Wonderlic scores are small and insignificant for wide receivers and running backs. …

Running backs basically react to where a holes has opened up.

The second key result from column 1 of Table 3 is that Wonderlic scores are
quantitatively more important for quarterbacks than for any other position. A
10-point increase in Wonderlic scores moves a quarterback up in the draft by
31 positions (10 3.061). In contrast, a comparable Wonderlic increase only
moves a tight end up by 25 positions, and an offensive lineman, only about
12 spots, in the draft. This again, should come as no surprise, as it is very likely
that the quarterback position requires a higher level of cognitive ability than any
other position on the field. …

Turning first to the results for quarterbacks, we draw three main conclusions. First, Wonderlic scores are important in determining relative draft position for White quarterbacks but not for Black quarterbacks, though we note that the p value for the test of significance of the Wonderlic coefficient for Black quarterbacks is .103. Second, the quantitative impacts of a 1-point increase in Wonderlic scores of 2.211 for white quarterbacks and 2.449 for Black quarterbacks are well within the range of estimates (1.94–2.72) reported by Berri and Simmons. Third, we find no evidence to support a statistical discrimination story. The p value for the coefficient on Wonderlic scores for Black quarterbacks is hardly overwhelming evidence that teams are ignoring scores for Black quarterbacks. In addition, the p value for the test of equality of the Wonderlic coefficients by race is .901, and the point estimate for the marginal effect of Wonderlic scores on draft position is larger for Black quarterbacks than for White quarterbacks.

Actually, IQ appears to benefit both black and white quarterback prospects, although there haven’t been enough black QBs for this to be statistically significant for blacks. The most consistently outstanding black QBs of recent years have been Russell Wilson (114) and Patrick Mahomes (106). Lamar Jackson (13 on the Wonderlic) was an MVP but we’ll see if he can be consistently excellent. But I may be misinterpreting this.

From the Associated Press:

Retired Black players say NFL brain-injury payouts show bias
By MARYCLAIRE DALE and MICHELLE R. SMITH
16 minutes ago

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Thousands of retired Black professional football players, their families and supporters are demanding an end to the controversial use of “race-norming” to determine which players are eligible for payouts in the NFL’s $1 billion settlement of brain injury claims, a system experts say is discriminatory.

… Under the settlement, however, the NFL has insisted on using a scoring algorithm on the dementia testing that assumes Black men start with lower cognitive skills. They must therefore score much lower than whites to show enough mental decline to win an award. The practice, which went unnoticed until 2018, has made it harder for Black former players to get awards.

IQ tests are often race-normed in the name of racial equity to prevent an excessive number of blacks from being labeled mentally retarded. Now, it is demanded that IQ tests not be race-normed in the name of racial equity to label more blacks as demented.

Personally, I don’t see why race-norming is at all necessary in the NFL’s concussion dementia payout system because Wonderlic and SAT/ACT test scores are available for all but the oldest players. For example, Colin Kaepernick scored a 38, which is equivalent to a 134 IQ. If, say, it turned out that his IQ had declined to 100 due to concussions, I think it would be fair to compensate him based on his own documented past intelligence rather than a racial average.

By the way, it’s pretty interesting that one reason that Kaepernick is such a famous figure is because of his high IQ. But then has mostly been of use to him in his off-field activities. As a quarterback he tended to come across as a great athlete but not a terribly good thinker during the play.

 
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  1. Jon says:

    The practice, which went unnoticed until 2018, has made it harder for Black former players to get awards.

    Has it? I read the article, I didn’t find anything to suggest the White players were actually getting paid out disproportionately because of the race norming.

    Also, if they end race norming, and use the higher White standard for all, how many players will qualify based of their initial Wonderlic from their combine tryout? Now that’s Equity!

    • Replies: @Mikeja
    @Jon

    I suspect there’s absolutely no ‘race-norming’. They want the comparison to early wonderlic scores dropped because that’ll mean more money for black players. Anything standing in the way has got to be racist so they made up a racisty name for it

  2. Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know.

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    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @whiskey

    "Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know."

    I think this is a Chrome problem. I was getting strange warning messages on a liberal site. Then I upgraded Windows and Chrome and they seem to have gone away.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Dr.
    @whiskey

    I am able to see Unz.com on Chrome.

    , @Morton's toes
    @whiskey

    Call the help desk. They will tell you turn it off and turn it on.

    (This worked for my chrome. You need to turn your computer off every couple of days any way.)

    I loved that red screen though. The only thing better would have been a huge ass skull and crossbones.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @whiskey

    For a few days the site proper wouldn't come up on Bing, but instead some part of it like the book section or the selected news articles section. Sometimes just a listing about Ron Unz and how BAD he is.

    The powers that be must have diverted UR to that oil pipeline "that got hacked."

    Replies: @Cheruuuub, @Rahan

    , @anon
    @whiskey

    It's been happening for quite a while. It's why I switched to Firefox and use DuckDuckGo as my default search two years ago. Don't miss Chrome and Google at all.

    About the article:

    What about the kickers? I'd say that's a 99% white job, maybe 1% Asian. I don't remember the last time I saw a black kicker.

    I thought that bit about Kaepernick's 134 IQ was a joke.

    Former Seahawks teammates Doug Baldwin and Richard Sherman both went to Stanford, I wonder how they scored? I think Baldwin is a little smarter than Sherman. I'm guessing both scored lower than Tom Brady(UMich) and Aaron Rodgers(UCBerkeley).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @anon, @Anon55uu

    , @theMann
    @whiskey

    Don't use Google products. Seriously.

    DuckDuckGo and Bing will do if you must search, and it is very interesting to compare their results to Google's. I use Yandex if I really have to dig, but I also read Russian okish enough to use Yandex if I really have to dig. But understand there is no place you search that you won't get tagged for searching there.


    If you are uncomfortable using a decent open source product like Firefox, then maybe try Brave or Opera. But don't use Chrome or any other Google product. Seriously.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @whiskey

    Two of my friends (reader-contributors) had the same experience last night with my primary blog. We all assumed it was an extension of google's war on yours truly, but the red screens have since disappeared.

    , @Desiderius
    @whiskey

    Chrome is a malicious site hoasting Malware.

    Use Brave.

    , @Valerivs Antoninvs Pretorivs Gælicvs
    @whiskey

    Use Brave or Vivaldi browsers instead, both are Chrome-based, but they're indeéndent from Jewgle.

  3. Both scores are well above national averages for their races. Why?

    Most had some college time. Most colleges with scholarship players pay attention to their players’ academics, as the NCAA pays attention.

    I had a roommate in summer school ~1970. He was a star running back on the South Carolina football team. He was there to get his grade average above 2.0. He was taking driver’s ed and photography, and staying up til midnight studying (!) every night.

    He was a good guy, just not real sharp. I admired his commitment to get ‘er done.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Gamecock

    Ah, yes, the glory days of Carolina football!

    Don’t forget that your running back had to satisfy the requirements of the 800 Rule.

    Replies: @David In TN

  4. HERESY! shouts the person who only works around Eurasians.

  5. The truth about racist facts is totally taboo. In this unreal fantasy world, lots of crazy false conclusions happen.

    From false follows false is a law of mathematical logic

    So we are lucky that not 100% of Blacks get payout for being below a certain IQ

    Everything false can be derived from one false premise (f ⇒ f)
    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/

    From one false premise (false dogma, false belief) everything false follows. In mathematics, from the false assumption (a) that 1+1= 3 other false math follows (like 3+5=17342)

    f ⇒ f From one false assumption everything else can be deduced as true, mathematical logic tells us1. Thus Sincerity.net demands “zero tolerance” for dishonesty. We demand “zero tolerance” for anything that misleads people into potentially false beliefs

    • Replies: @Polemos
    @TruthRevolution.net

    How do Gettier counterexamples fit into this?

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain

    , @Deckin
    @TruthRevolution.net

    You seem confused. It's no law of mathematical logic or anything else that 'From one false premise...everything else follows.'

    E.g.,

    Premise: Anchorage is the capital of Alaska (F)
    Conclusion: Tucson is the capital of Arizona (T)

    The conclusion doesn't follow from the premise at all. You appear to be conflating false with 'contradiction' or 'necessarily false'. Do the replacement and you're correct--without it, just wrong.

    '1+1=3' isn't just false, it's necessarily false; 'Biden won a fair election' is false. Big difference.

  6. Both scores are well above national averages for their races. Why? My guess is that players’ agents help them prep for the test.

    I thought that athletes were generally a tiny bit smarter than average, controlling for race. The implication being that healthier people have less mutational load, which also affects the brain.

    Though, I remember seeing one or two that had a hairline about half an inch above their eyebrows, and I’ve long wondered what craniometric and IQ data would reveal about such individuals.

    • Replies: @puttheforkdown
    @songbird

    >a hairline about half an inch above their eyebrows, and I’ve long wondered what craniometric and IQ data would reveal about such individuals.

    It has always looked like microcephaly to me. Where's the space to think?

    Replies: @cthulhu

    , @Feryl
    @songbird

    You would certainly expect bigger and stronger people to be smarter than small weak people, on average (within an ethnic group, of course). Antifa has been a fascinating study in physiognomy, somatic types, mutations, and easthetics. Antifa seem far uglier, weaker, and mentally disordered than the average person, much less a MAGA Chad. And the Pacific NW seems to draw a huge portion of nerdy and autistic people*, who then reproduce and create an even more dysgenic situation. In other parts of America, most of the dysfunction is caused by blacks and a small cadre of degenerate white liberals.

    *Does the lack of sunshine and warmth repel more athletic (e.g. healthy normies) people from settling there?

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew

    , @res
    @songbird

    Regarding Steve's comment:


    Both scores are well above national averages for their races. Why? My guess is that players’ agents help them prep for the test.
     
    I think both you and Gamecock (comment 3) are onto something.

    It seems likely to me that there are at least three effects present, but I'm not sure how to evaluate their relative importance.

    1. Test prep. There are millions of dollars at stake and the Wonderlic is a simple test.

    2. NFL draftees have (almost?) all been to college and had to at least pretend to belong there. Given the amount of AA involved, a 1 SD difference between blacks and whites and almost a 1 SD difference between collegians/draftees and the general population both seem reasonable.

    3. Your point, which sometimes goes by the fancy name "system integrity hypothesis."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_epidemiology#System_integrity_hypothesis_vs_evolution_hypothesis
    This paper looks relevant, but I have not been able to find full text.
    A Comparison of the Intelligence and Athletic Ability of College Men
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/23267402.1937.10761836

    Replies: @Torn and Frayed, @Rob

  7. The BIG DISHONESTY
    race norming is prohibited for payouts because it gives less goodies to Blacks

    race norming is mandatory for school and work admissions tests because it give more goodies to Blacks

    Color blindness, as promoted by MLK is racist

    This FEELS good and FEELS right to both Blacks and postmodern white do-gooders. Follow your feelings, not repressive white logic.

    https://sincerity.net/postmodernism/

    Postmodernism denies facts and objective reality. The truth is based not on agreed upon facts and evidence, but is contingent on narrative and point of view.

    Shameless postmodernist lying utterly corrupted Social Sciences1*2*3. Postmodernist dogmatism in social sciences and politics causes mayhem4 and death5, even for the “disadvantaged minorities” which BLM6 purports to help.

    The reason for such disastrous failure: PC Marxism it is based on objectively false anti-scientific world view. The false world view is perpetuated by gag orders, taboo of #RacistFacts, and factually wrong dogma7.

    Postmodernism could be a funny philosophical mind game. Teaching post-modernism as a serious realistic world view is utterly insincere8, or ignorant. A well educated & intelligent person cannot, with honesty and straight face, take post-modern anti-logic, anti-facts, anti-science seriously and base social science and political discourse on such baseless non-facts.

  8. Ryan Fitzpatrick, considered a journeyman NFL quarterback is a Harvard grad. How many Harvard grads top his $71 milliom in career earnings, not counting the $10 million one year contract he just signed with the “to be named later” Washington team.

    • Replies: @danand
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Ryan Fitzpatrick...is a Harvard grad."

    Like father, like son:

    https://youtu.be/9OYK_NlZ7n4

    99% nature over 1% nurture

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

  9. There must be some exquisite reasoning for contemporary players to avoid the volenti principle (acceptance of inherent risk) and rake in awards years after raking in the rewards of putting their bodies on the line. Plus some necks a blowtorch couldn’t mark.

    C’mon man!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volenti_non_fit_injuria

  10. @whiskey
    Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know.

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    “Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know.”

    I think this is a Chrome problem. I was getting strange warning messages on a liberal site. Then I upgraded Windows and Chrome and they seem to have gone away.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @James B. Shearer

    Chrome and Brave were doing this on our laptop before; I didn't check Edge. (Yes, three browsers on one device.) Some are saying that it doesn't matter if you don't have Googleware on your end; almost all servers now do. I had to go to the minimum security level to get to Steve, though not to Unz.

    No problems at all on Silk... thus far. Besos is good for something!

  11. In a related story

    Presumably this works for assessments too? Because I’d totally be willing to slap on some blackface if it’ll cut my real-estate taxes in half. I’ll even cry if it’ll help. No shame here.

    • Thanks: Wade Hampton, Neoconned
    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Polistra

    Is this true or 1 of those stupid false social media clickbait "stories?"

    , @Neoconned
    @Polistra

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/black-homeowner-had-white-friend-141522389.html

    Steve, what is your take on this?

    , @Charon
    @Polistra

    Turns out she only paid 100K for the house. Smells like a setup.


    https://mol.im/a/9588367

    Replies: @res

  12. 16 IQ Points Higher

    That sounds about right. With average IQ of 100 to 86 then the NFL is in line with the greater population.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  13. http://castefootball.us/index.php?threads/the-racial-caste-system-in-sports.8644/

    “Thus in America and much of the West, a rigid stereotype has taken hold: of white inferiority to non-whites (with the exception of Asians) in athletics. This stereotype has created a kind of “caste system” in sports, with blacks on top, whites next, and Asians last. But a careful examination of the facts leads to very different conclusions: the stereotype of white athletic inferiority is false, and black dominance of some college and professional sports is created by systematic discrimination against white athletes.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Mike Tre

    You are focused on American sports which tweaked to favor Bantus. Steve’s said before that there were more white players when football players played both O and D.

    We can look some individual sports, i.e. raw athletic ability

    In sprinting it should be ranked as Bantus on top, then tied between yellows and whites (current fastest non-Bantu time is Su Bingtian at 9.91), then everyone else.

    In marathon it should be East Africans, then tied btw Japanese and whites

    In swimming it’s whites, yellows, then everyone else.

    In strongman/shotput i.e. absolute strength its whites on top, then bantus, then all others

    In weightlifting i.e. relative strength its yellows in light/medium weight, West Asians in heavyweight
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_Olympic_weightlifting

    In decathlon its mostly white

    In shooting its tie between yellows and whites
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_records_in_shooting

    Lastly in Sumo, its Mongols on top, since they occupy a sweet spot, smaller than Slavs/Samoans but lower center of gravity, but bigger than Japanese.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_yokozuna

    All these sports racial rankings are subject to new data inputs, for example Shohei Ohtani might end as 6-tool player Babe Ruth level statue and Japanese are clearly not the biggest of East Asians.

  14. Yeah well… Kaepernick is probably like 70% white so that makes sense.

    • Replies: @Jake
    @anon215

    The non-rapist part

    , @Truth
    @anon215

    He's 70% white...

    So it makes sense that he is smarter than 90% of whites?

    What, pray tell, did you score on the Wonderlic?

  15. @whiskey
    Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know.

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    I am able to see Unz.com on Chrome.

    • Agree: Barnard
  16. For example, Colin Kaepernick scored a 38, which is equivalent to a 134 IQ. If, say, it turned out that his IQ had declined to 100 due to concussions, I think it would be fair to compensate him based on his own documented past intelligence rather than a racial average.

    (By the way, it’s pretty interesting that one reason that Kaepernick is such a famous figure is because of his high IQ.)

    High IQ, mediocre QB, terrible, evil human being.

    Send him back to Africa so he can lead them to Wakandan paradise…after 1000-2000 years or so.

  17. @whiskey
    Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know.

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    Call the help desk. They will tell you turn it off and turn it on.

    (This worked for my chrome. You need to turn your computer off every couple of days any way.)

    I loved that red screen though. The only thing better would have been a huge ass skull and crossbones.

  18. @Buffalo Joe
    Ryan Fitzpatrick, considered a journeyman NFL quarterback is a Harvard grad. How many Harvard grads top his $71 milliom in career earnings, not counting the $10 million one year contract he just signed with the "to be named later" Washington team.

    Replies: @danand

    “Ryan Fitzpatrick…is a Harvard grad.”

    Like father, like son:

    99% nature over 1% nurture

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @danand

    Fun fact: He was later stabbed by Ray Lewis's son....

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @danand


    99% nature over 1% nurture
     
    But how many languages can he do this in?

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @International Jew
    @danand

    That's pretty good for an eight-year-old but not totally amazing. Just use this handy formula:
    93×97 = (100-7)(100-3)
    = 10000 - (7+3)100 + 7×3
    = 10000 - 1000 + 21.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Ed, @AnotherDad

  19. @danand
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Ryan Fitzpatrick...is a Harvard grad."

    Like father, like son:

    https://youtu.be/9OYK_NlZ7n4

    99% nature over 1% nurture

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

    Fun fact: He was later stabbed by Ray Lewis’s son….

  20. yeah we covered this a few times. after a concussion players are allowed back on the field after they pass a test that is based on their normal level of mental function. they have to show they are getting back to baseline functionality.

    africans are less intelligent in general and they have less intelligence to knock out of their brains. so after getting clonked on the head, they return to their baseline level of mental function faster. this is yet another ADVANTAGE for them, because they get back on the field faster. they NEVER, EVER complain about this ADVANTAGE during their playing careers. they take that advantage without a second of hesitation, just like every other advantage given to them.

    it’s only when there’s a slight disadvantage somewhere that they start complaining and begin talking to lawyers about that next class action lawsuit. as always.

  21. High IQ does not always lead to wisdom. Note the wide open receiver’s jazz hands at the bottom, followed by Yosemite Sam jumping.

    • LOL: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Ralph L

    That happens to every QB, but your description is perfect.

  22. Kaepernick may have scored high because someone else did it for him or helped him do it, I don’t think the league proctors the test. Remember Vince Young scoring a 6? The league claimed it wasn’t graded correctly, but instead of just grading the first test correctly they had Young take it again, and the league claimed he then scored a more respectable but hardly impressive 16.

    Given Young’s ineptitude has an NFL player and his lack of financial acumen he seems to be exactly where you would expect given a score of 6 in his life right now, for example, he filed for bankruptcy in 2014. The University of Texas, his alma mater hired him for DIE post, which he lost after only two years and two DUIs as well as repeated warnings about absences from work.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Unladen Swallow

    Young also had a terrible time dealing with pressure.

    I do think IQ was definitely a factor. Young was never cerebral as a QB, and always relied on his men-among-boys athleticism in college to deliver victories, but this failed in the NFL he was no more athletic than the next guy .

    However, Young, like many blacks, is highly emotional and sensitive to what others are saying about him. In the very-positive UT environment he thrived, because the cheers for him would carry him, and his team was so good he would almost always be winning even if he himself was having an off-game.

    But in the NFL his team wasn't world-beating, and the pro fans were not going to coddle him as a fellow student. So when he heard the boo birds, he got very low, and he was unable to climb out of the funk and get better or else shrug it off.

    I remember exactly when I knew Young wasn't long for the NFL. After the boo birds came out in Tennessee, his own mother was quoted in the sports mags as asking the fans to be nicer and lay off her son. If a mom feels the need to protect her adult kid publicly from normal NFL criticism, then the kid is definitely too fragile for the league.

    Incidentally, as our society has clamped down on any criticism or negativity towards black, it has only increased their emotional highs and made them more susceptible to weakness when low. In the past, if a black was ... not extolled from birth, they would develop some toughness around their emotions. But American society's coddling of blacks' emotions has made them extremely weak in the face of adversity ---a 1970s player in football would psychologically destroy a 2021 black football player.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @James Forrestal

  23. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    The University of Nevada is cannily noncommittal about monumentalizing Kaep:
    https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2021/03/03/unr-no-plans-take-down-mackay-statue-erect-one-kaepernick/6892674002/

    I love the triangulation with not taking down the statue of a silver-magnate benefactor from 120 years ago, which action had been bruited on “just because” grounds, after a blue-ribbon panel carefully studied the matter & released its findings, natch. The U. of Nevada is just not a tall enough blade of grass to have to go along with this.

    Conservative media hacks are gonna have to find a new punchline, because declining birth rates coupled with the Evergreen presidency-forfeit comedy tripled with Trump’s fade out, guarantee that higher ed will soon stop taking crap from SAT-proof ingrates. Pro sports is quickly getting on the same page. The mau-mau’ers will have to migrate to greener pastures in Silicon Wall Street, the media, the United Nations, etc.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    They ought a build a statue of Chris Ault. In K’s last year at UNR, Ault’s pistol offense averaged 7.2 yards per rush. Three successful tours of duty for Ault at a school where no one else could win is really impressive.

    , @Barnard
    @Anonymous

    Nice of the Reno Gazette Journal to correct their idiot reporter's claims that Gutzon Borglum had already joined the KKK when he carved the Mackey statue and that he carved what is currently displayed on Stone Mountain. Both of these claims could have been fact checked in less than five minutes, but who cares when there is a statue that needs to be torn down.

    Nevada-Reno is probably safe enrollment wise for awhile. There are limited options for students in the Nevada that want a state school education. Reluctance to putting a Kaepernick statue is probably more a result of concern about alienated current donors.

  24. Only 16 points?

    How embarrassing.

  25. @whiskey
    Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Dr., @Morton's toes, @Buzz Mohawk, @anon, @theMann, @Nicholas Stix, @Desiderius, @Valerivs Antoninvs Pretorivs Gælicvs

    For a few days the site proper wouldn’t come up on Bing, but instead some part of it like the book section or the selected news articles section. Sometimes just a listing about Ron Unz and how BAD he is.

    The powers that be must have diverted UR to that oil pipeline “that got hacked.”

    • Replies: @Cheruuuub
    @Buzz Mohawk

    For the past couple of weeks (how long it has been since I’ve noticed it, at least) DuckDuckGo (the otherwise conspicuously reliable search engine) has brought up when searching “Steve Sailer” only archives of his Unz postings. A quick scroll on the search page reveals no links to his most recent postings. I’ve instead been clicking on his Twitter link and then on the blog link in his header, as that points to it correctly. This is interesting to me as it almost certainly cannot be ascribed to a filter or woke developer, and the “Duck” seems to almost always find the thing that one is specifically searching for.

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @Rahan
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You know the end is nigh when mainstream Russian search engines like Yandex and mainstream news media like RT.com and Sputnik, are suddenly "more free" than their western counterparts.

  26. @songbird

    Both scores are well above national averages for their races. Why? My guess is that players’ agents help them prep for the test.
     
    I thought that athletes were generally a tiny bit smarter than average, controlling for race. The implication being that healthier people have less mutational load, which also affects the brain.

    Though, I remember seeing one or two that had a hairline about half an inch above their eyebrows, and I've long wondered what craniometric and IQ data would reveal about such individuals.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Feryl, @res

    >a hairline about half an inch above their eyebrows, and I’ve long wondered what craniometric and IQ data would reveal about such individuals.

    It has always looked like microcephaly to me. Where’s the space to think?

    • Replies: @cthulhu
    @puttheforkdown


    It has always looked like microcephaly to me.
     
    I once saw a father and mother and their microcephalic child at a pediatric neurologist’s office. The child - a boy - looked to be about six years old, and was clearly significantly impaired. Visually, the boy’s appearance was quite upsetting to me; the proportions of his head seemed to trigger a kind of “uncanny valley” effect, and I was filled with simultaneous revulsion of and immense pity for the child. His parents - both of whom were there - seemed to be ordinary people, patiently and lovingly dealing with a situation neither likely had ever anticipated. I was moved nearly to tears, by both the random, impersonal horror visited on this family, and the obvious love shared by the three of them, despite - or because of? - their situation.

    Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

  27. The Wonderlic is a tough test- you do best to take the paper version so that you can do quick calculations by hand. Trying the on-line version is harder unless you again use paper and pencil, which few people do.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  28. @Unladen Swallow
    Kaepernick may have scored high because someone else did it for him or helped him do it, I don't think the league proctors the test. Remember Vince Young scoring a 6? The league claimed it wasn't graded correctly, but instead of just grading the first test correctly they had Young take it again, and the league claimed he then scored a more respectable but hardly impressive 16.

    Given Young's ineptitude has an NFL player and his lack of financial acumen he seems to be exactly where you would expect given a score of 6 in his life right now, for example, he filed for bankruptcy in 2014. The University of Texas, his alma mater hired him for DIE post, which he lost after only two years and two DUIs as well as repeated warnings about absences from work.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Young also had a terrible time dealing with pressure.

    I do think IQ was definitely a factor. Young was never cerebral as a QB, and always relied on his men-among-boys athleticism in college to deliver victories, but this failed in the NFL he was no more athletic than the next guy .

    However, Young, like many blacks, is highly emotional and sensitive to what others are saying about him. In the very-positive UT environment he thrived, because the cheers for him would carry him, and his team was so good he would almost always be winning even if he himself was having an off-game.

    But in the NFL his team wasn’t world-beating, and the pro fans were not going to coddle him as a fellow student. So when he heard the boo birds, he got very low, and he was unable to climb out of the funk and get better or else shrug it off.

    I remember exactly when I knew Young wasn’t long for the NFL. After the boo birds came out in Tennessee, his own mother was quoted in the sports mags as asking the fans to be nicer and lay off her son. If a mom feels the need to protect her adult kid publicly from normal NFL criticism, then the kid is definitely too fragile for the league.

    Incidentally, as our society has clamped down on any criticism or negativity towards black, it has only increased their emotional highs and made them more susceptible to weakness when low. In the past, if a black was … not extolled from birth, they would develop some toughness around their emotions. But American society’s coddling of blacks’ emotions has made them extremely weak in the face of adversity —a 1970s player in football would psychologically destroy a 2021 black football player.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @R.G. Camara

    "However, Young, like many blacks, is highly emotional and sensitive to what others are saying about him"

    This is that high self esteem Steve is always referring to.

    , @James Forrestal
    @R.G. Camara


    Young also had a terrible time dealing with pressure.
     
    Though if that 6 was legit, that alone would make it pretty tough as an NFL quarterback. But 16 should be doable, if perhaps not a star. Compare to Vinny Testaverde - always known as a guy with incredible athleticism but not the sharpest tool in the shed -- who scored 17 on the Wonderlic. And he got a lot of s--t from everyone from fans, to the press, to Gene Upshaw on a hot mike...

    Never seemed to faze him -- he'd just go out there and throw another interception... But seriously, he lasted 21 years.

    Frank Ryan (QB for the Browns back in the 60s who got his math PhD while in the NFL) was kind of the other extreme:
    https://vault.si.com/vault/1965/09/27/dr-ryan-of-the-browns-how-smart-is-too-smart
  29. anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @whiskey
    Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Dr., @Morton's toes, @Buzz Mohawk, @anon, @theMann, @Nicholas Stix, @Desiderius, @Valerivs Antoninvs Pretorivs Gælicvs

    It’s been happening for quite a while. It’s why I switched to Firefox and use DuckDuckGo as my default search two years ago. Don’t miss Chrome and Google at all.

    About the article:

    What about the kickers? I’d say that’s a 99% white job, maybe 1% Asian. I don’t remember the last time I saw a black kicker.

    I thought that bit about Kaepernick’s 134 IQ was a joke.

    Former Seahawks teammates Doug Baldwin and Richard Sherman both went to Stanford, I wonder how they scored? I think Baldwin is a little smarter than Sherman. I’m guessing both scored lower than Tom Brady(UMich) and Aaron Rodgers(UCBerkeley).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Richard Sherman scored 106.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    , @anon
    @anon

    It’s been happening for quite a while.

    Pretty sure it is some SJW in Google being obnoxious.

    It’s why I switched to Firefox and use DuckDuckGo

    FireFox has been converged for a while. They pushed founder Brandon Eich for his support of Prop. 8 back in 2008. He then went on to build Brave, a better browser.

    Duck is a good search engine.

    , @anon
    @anon

    It’s been happening for quite a while.

    Pretty sure it is some SJW in Google being obnoxious.

    It’s why I switched to Firefox and use DuckDuckGo

    FireFox has been converged for a while. They pushed founder Brandon Eich for his support of Prop. 8 back in 2008. He then went on to build Brave, a better browser.

    Duck is a good search engine.

    , @Anon55uu
    @anon

    Aaron Rodgers went to berkeley via Community college. Bit of an isteve fact.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Unladen Swallow

  30. On a bad day, someone who compulsively checks his work can come out looking like a low grade imbecile on the Wonderlic. Twelve minutes goes by fast when your brain is caught in a series of do loops.

  31. Note too that the whites are about 1 SD slower in the 40 yard dash. Should i be offended?

    Also, i’m sure it’s been mentioned before regarding this scheme, but how does one deal with the incentive to underperform on the post-career IQ test in order to maximize one’s payouts ?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @vhrm


    Note too that the whites are about 1 SD slower in the 40 yard dash. Should i be offended?
     
    Everything is environment, don't you know? If you grow up in a black neighborhood, you learn to run away from people faster.

    Paradoxically, however, you learn to cross the street slower.

    , @reactionry
    @vhrm

    From Wonderlic to Windowlickers...

    "...But how does one deal with the incentive to underperform on the post-career IQ test in order to maximize one's payouts?"
    That deserves a serious answer, but the link here only touches (as in "touched by an angel," in this instance, mentally retarded) on some of the issues in this thread. One of my brothers and I have recited some of the lines to each other over the past half century or so, but I'd forgotten its brief reference to football. We first heard Bill Cosby's "Special Class" on the family phonograph, but it didn't add much to our vocabulary and it's doubtful that Joe Biden would approve. While the bit has a bit of zoophilia, there's nothing about interspecies whoopee, nor sexual dimorphism in pets.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-Br6HLCPuc

  32. @anon
    @whiskey

    It's been happening for quite a while. It's why I switched to Firefox and use DuckDuckGo as my default search two years ago. Don't miss Chrome and Google at all.

    About the article:

    What about the kickers? I'd say that's a 99% white job, maybe 1% Asian. I don't remember the last time I saw a black kicker.

    I thought that bit about Kaepernick's 134 IQ was a joke.

    Former Seahawks teammates Doug Baldwin and Richard Sherman both went to Stanford, I wonder how they scored? I think Baldwin is a little smarter than Sherman. I'm guessing both scored lower than Tom Brady(UMich) and Aaron Rodgers(UCBerkeley).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @anon, @Anon55uu

    Richard Sherman scored 106.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Steve Sailer

    Dick Sherman was the valedictorian of his high school. It was a majority-black high school, so that shows you: the smartest person in a black high school is the guy with his IQ just slightly above the human average.

    However, Sherman is media-savvy enough (witness that one post-game interview with Erin Andrews, where he played the part of the wrestling heel to Andrews's incredulous wrestling interviewer ) that he'll be around for a while post-career. I expect him and Gronkowski to have some kind of wrestling feud in the next 5-10 years, likely headlining a WrestleMania (if those still exist then, given how fast HHH is destroying the company).

  33. @vhrm
    Note too that the whites are about 1 SD slower in the 40 yard dash. Should i be offended?


    Also, i'm sure it's been mentioned before regarding this scheme, but how does one deal with the incentive to underperform on the post-career IQ test in order to maximize one's payouts ?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @reactionry

    Note too that the whites are about 1 SD slower in the 40 yard dash. Should i be offended?

    Everything is environment, don’t you know? If you grow up in a black neighborhood, you learn to run away from people faster.

    Paradoxically, however, you learn to cross the street slower.

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • LOL: vhrm
  34. Completely OT:

    [MORE]

    Every time I think that the people in my life can’t get any shittier, I find that they’ve stooped to a new low.

    My grandmother has been in poor health for quite a while now, but she’s taken a very bad turn recently. She was admitted to the hospital last week. Tonight she’s very close to death. In all likelihood, she won’t make it past the weekend.

    After a series of legal battles, my aunt gained control over my grandmother’s affairs a few years ago.

    The attorney she hired is a nasty condescending bitch. For my grandmother’s sake – and for that reason alone – I have cooperated with the attorney whenever she has requested my assistance.

    Just a little while ago I learned that my grandmother was discharged from the hospital nearly two days ago. She’s in hospice care at the moment.

    My aunt didn’t say one word to me. My cousin – with whom I have had several lengthy conversations over the last few days – didn’t say one word to me. The lawyer – with whom I have also been in contact – didn’t say one word to me.

    My aunt knew that her mother was discharged, but she didn’t tell her sister. She didn’t tell her brother. She didn’t tell any of my grandmother’s relatives. She didn’t tell anyone.

    What makes me angry is that neither my aunt nor my cousin visited my grandmother in the hospital. I visited her. My mother visited her. My uncle drove several hours to visit her. But my aunt, who lives only 15 minutes away, didn’t visit her. And yet she is the one who makes the decisions, and she is the one who gets the phone calls.

    My aunt and the lawyer have mismanaged my grandmother’s care over the years, burning through all of Grandma’s assets along the way. I could write a book about all of the shenanigans that have gone on. (Come to think of it, I might.)

    Perhaps I am overreacting. But you have to remember that this is just the latest in a long series of falsehoods and manipulative half-truths they’ve slung at me. They’ve lied to me numerous times over the years, and I’ve forgiven them every time. Grandma taught me that family members always forgive one another, no matter how serious the injury.

    But to lie to me now, about this? It is an unconscionable betrayal and a grievous insult. But it is also a moment of clarity.

    There are times in life when people reveal their true selves. My aunt and my cousin have just given me a glimpse into the depths of their souls, and it isn’t a pretty sight.

    I am hardly a saint myself. I’ve committed many sins over the years. I’ve lied to lots of people, and rarely felt any real pangs of conscience. But I’ve never lied about anything like this. And I find it very hard to forgive those who have lied to me.

    My uncle told me the other day that he wasn’t sure he would attend the funeral, because he didn’t know if he could stand to be in the same room with my aunt – his sister. I know exactly how he feels. I might stay away myself. My aunt will be there. My cousin will be there. Perhaps even the lawyer will be there. And I don’t know if I can be civil toward them. And even if I can keep my mouth shut, rest assured that my mother will not be able to hold her tongue. She’ll start yelling and screaming and carrying on. And I don’t want any part of that.

    If I don’t attend, my mother surely won’t. She won’t subject herself to “those people” (as she calls them) without having me around as her crutch.

    Perhaps the best way for me to honor my grandmother’s legacy is to stay away. Let those who choose to attend the service memorialize her as they wish. I know what Grandma meant to me, and I know that no one can ever take that away from me.

    Others might criticize me harshly for my absence, and they might be right when they say that I owe it to my grandmother to be there. And perhaps I will change my mind over the next few days. But right now I don’t even want to be reminded of the fact that my aunt exists, let alone look at her, let alone converse with her. As for my cousin … she’s the closest thing I have to a sister, but I really don’t want to deal with her right now.

    If my grandmother’s mind were still intact, she would ask me to forgive them. She would tell me that family members should not hold grudges against one another. For her sake – and her sake alone – I will try to keep my anger toward them in check.

    But I feel no such obligation to forgive the lawyer. Tonight I learned that the lawyer told the hospital not to give my mother any information. (She’s been calling over there for days. Finally I was able to call tonight and get the real story.)

    I declare unreservedly, without apology or regret, that I hate the lawyer with every fiber of my being. I hope she burns in hell.

    It occurs to me that I’ve been somewhat numb over the last few days, not really allowing myself to feel anything, and perhaps this sudden burst of anger is just part of my mind’s attempt to process the emotional trauma of this event. (Once you hear the word hospice, you think, “Oh, God, this really is the end.”) Perhaps the rage I feel toward my aunt and my cousin is just the inevitable flash of anger that everyone feels in the midst of one’s utter helplessness in the face of impending death.

    At any rate, Grandma’s long journey is nearing its completion.

    In the miserable days and weeks and months and even years after my grandfather’s untimely death, the only thing that kept her going was the prospect of her reunion with him at the moment of her own demise. Perhaps she’ll go into the light and find him waiting for her; perhaps she’ll simply fade away into eternal nothingness. Not being particularly religious, but refusing to submit to the spiritual sterility of atheism, I can say only that I hope she’ll be at peace, wherever she ends up.

    • Replies: @North Carolina Resident
    @Stan Adams

    You should go. 100% you should go. It's about respecting your grandmother. Be the bigger man.

    , @Polemos
    @Stan Adams

    I'm genuinely sorry for what you've gone through and I hope you choose what your heart and spirit find best for your mind to contemplate with peace from here on out. Rage towards a villain, or villains, is definitely one way some people deal with their own impotence towards the cruelty or dispassion of others —you are healthy and self-aware enough to recognize this, and so in a better state to either find your power to make them own their sins or find your calling to transcend every bit of this trussed-up world.

    , @Faraday's Bobcat
    @Stan Adams

    There should be a special level of hell for people who destroy family relationships.

    Go to the funeral, but if you see your aunt in the reception line, scissor-kick her in the bacon.

  35. @Buzz Mohawk
    @whiskey

    For a few days the site proper wouldn't come up on Bing, but instead some part of it like the book section or the selected news articles section. Sometimes just a listing about Ron Unz and how BAD he is.

    The powers that be must have diverted UR to that oil pipeline "that got hacked."

    Replies: @Cheruuuub, @Rahan

    For the past couple of weeks (how long it has been since I’ve noticed it, at least) DuckDuckGo (the otherwise conspicuously reliable search engine) has brought up when searching “Steve Sailer” only archives of his Unz postings. A quick scroll on the search page reveals no links to his most recent postings. I’ve instead been clicking on his Twitter link and then on the blog link in his header, as that points to it correctly. This is interesting to me as it almost certainly cannot be ascribed to a filter or woke developer, and the “Duck” seems to almost always find the thing that one is specifically searching for.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Cheruuuub

    FWIW, it has seemed to me recently that DDG results resemble something like "Google Lite" and it didn't use to be that way. I was wondering if they were massaging results in such a way as to ensure their continued livelihood in these our Woke times.

    For whatever reason, I was researching something to do with war crimes in Palestine. Page after page of results of the 'Official Line' which was what I expect from Google and Bing but not DDG. Perhaps DDG has been assimilated?

  36. anon[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @whiskey

    It's been happening for quite a while. It's why I switched to Firefox and use DuckDuckGo as my default search two years ago. Don't miss Chrome and Google at all.

    About the article:

    What about the kickers? I'd say that's a 99% white job, maybe 1% Asian. I don't remember the last time I saw a black kicker.

    I thought that bit about Kaepernick's 134 IQ was a joke.

    Former Seahawks teammates Doug Baldwin and Richard Sherman both went to Stanford, I wonder how they scored? I think Baldwin is a little smarter than Sherman. I'm guessing both scored lower than Tom Brady(UMich) and Aaron Rodgers(UCBerkeley).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @anon, @Anon55uu

    It’s been happening for quite a while.

    Pretty sure it is some SJW in Google being obnoxious.

    It’s why I switched to Firefox and use DuckDuckGo

    FireFox has been converged for a while. They pushed founder Brandon Eich for his support of Prop. 8 back in 2008. He then went on to build Brave, a better browser.

    Duck is a good search engine.

  37. anon[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @whiskey

    It's been happening for quite a while. It's why I switched to Firefox and use DuckDuckGo as my default search two years ago. Don't miss Chrome and Google at all.

    About the article:

    What about the kickers? I'd say that's a 99% white job, maybe 1% Asian. I don't remember the last time I saw a black kicker.

    I thought that bit about Kaepernick's 134 IQ was a joke.

    Former Seahawks teammates Doug Baldwin and Richard Sherman both went to Stanford, I wonder how they scored? I think Baldwin is a little smarter than Sherman. I'm guessing both scored lower than Tom Brady(UMich) and Aaron Rodgers(UCBerkeley).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @anon, @Anon55uu

    It’s been happening for quite a while.

    Pretty sure it is some SJW in Google being obnoxious.

    It’s why I switched to Firefox and use DuckDuckGo

    FireFox has been converged for a while. They pushed founder Brandon Eich for his support of Prop. 8 back in 2008. He then went on to build Brave, a better browser.

    Duck is a good search engine.

  38. @Buzz Mohawk
    @whiskey

    For a few days the site proper wouldn't come up on Bing, but instead some part of it like the book section or the selected news articles section. Sometimes just a listing about Ron Unz and how BAD he is.

    The powers that be must have diverted UR to that oil pipeline "that got hacked."

    Replies: @Cheruuuub, @Rahan

    You know the end is nigh when mainstream Russian search engines like Yandex and mainstream news media like RT.com and Sputnik, are suddenly “more free” than their western counterparts.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  39. Weirdly on another linux computer the site is fine.

    I’m on Linux so I do regular updates. Windoze is possibly the world’s worst operating system, certainly for updates, and while Mac OSX was not bad in the mid 2000s or so it has gotten much worse and nearly as bad as Windows. Nothing beats linux for updating and working. I don’t even have to restart my computer.

    This was on Chromium by the way, as well as Chrome.

    You should download and use the Tor Browser. There I have no issues with this site, have VDARE bookmarked as an onion site.

  40. Came across this video and thought about your posts about MTF transgenders

    • LOL: magila
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Ronnie1972

    After seeing that, I'm waiting for Carrot Top to go trans.


    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KlUjstc404U/UME4BgtvbZI/AAAAAAAAMmg/n8AYg2vn0Gc/s1600/carrot-top-shoulders-steroids.jpg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @woody weaver, @additionalMike

  41. @puttheforkdown
    @songbird

    >a hairline about half an inch above their eyebrows, and I’ve long wondered what craniometric and IQ data would reveal about such individuals.

    It has always looked like microcephaly to me. Where's the space to think?

    Replies: @cthulhu

    It has always looked like microcephaly to me.

    I once saw a father and mother and their microcephalic child at a pediatric neurologist’s office. The child – a boy – looked to be about six years old, and was clearly significantly impaired. Visually, the boy’s appearance was quite upsetting to me; the proportions of his head seemed to trigger a kind of “uncanny valley” effect, and I was filled with simultaneous revulsion of and immense pity for the child. His parents – both of whom were there – seemed to be ordinary people, patiently and lovingly dealing with a situation neither likely had ever anticipated. I was moved nearly to tears, by both the random, impersonal horror visited on this family, and the obvious love shared by the three of them, despite – or because of? – their situation.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @cthulhu

    A friend used to "teach" autistic and multiply-handicapped children, though she admitted that most of what she did was babysitting. She said that it was cheaper than institutionalizing them. A judge ruled that they have a "right" to fulfill their potential, so huge sums of money are squandered in a futile attempt to do more than babble a few words and feed themselves. We do the same with the low iq minorities because we that deny observable reality that they are of an innately lower iq. That would be racist.

    This same friend later went on to teach in Akron, Ohio, and remarked that in an all black high school the class valedictorian will have an iq of 85.

    I'm surprised that the iq difference is only 16 points.

    Replies: @vhrm, @res, @ScarletNumber

  42. This Pat MacAfee interview of Rob Ninkovich on the topic of Tim Tebow at tight end is tangentially related. It is also the most hilarious thing on the internet all month.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Morton's toes

    Ninkovich line about Tebow scrambling during 7-7 drills is hilarious. Lol

  43. @Ronnie1972
    Came across this video and thought about your posts about MTF transgenders


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYY1xJTpoSA

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    After seeing that, I’m waiting for Carrot Top to go trans.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Nah, Carrot Top is a low-T ugly guy who got sick of being shit on in pop culture and got super-jacked to make up for it. He's like the after picture from an old Charles Atlas ad, ready to kick the bullies' asses.

    That's different from the hyper-masculine-since-teenage-hood ex-Marines and powerlifters who transition.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar

    , @woody weaver
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Going Trans might actually be an improvement.

    , @additionalMike
    @Buzz Mohawk

    There is something really strange about those disproportionate lateral delts...I'm thinking injections of some kind.

  44. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Richard Sherman scored 106.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Dick Sherman was the valedictorian of his high school. It was a majority-black high school, so that shows you: the smartest person in a black high school is the guy with his IQ just slightly above the human average.

    However, Sherman is media-savvy enough (witness that one post-game interview with Erin Andrews, where he played the part of the wrestling heel to Andrews’s incredulous wrestling interviewer ) that he’ll be around for a while post-career. I expect him and Gronkowski to have some kind of wrestling feud in the next 5-10 years, likely headlining a WrestleMania (if those still exist then, given how fast HHH is destroying the company).

  45. @danand
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Ryan Fitzpatrick...is a Harvard grad."

    Like father, like son:

    https://youtu.be/9OYK_NlZ7n4

    99% nature over 1% nurture

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

    99% nature over 1% nurture

    But how many languages can he do this in?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'd ask him to do long division with Roman numerals. (Ok, that would be mean, as he's just a kid. But I did pose just that challenge once to an adult who put himself forward in public as some kind of math whiz.)

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  46. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Ronnie1972

    After seeing that, I'm waiting for Carrot Top to go trans.


    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KlUjstc404U/UME4BgtvbZI/AAAAAAAAMmg/n8AYg2vn0Gc/s1600/carrot-top-shoulders-steroids.jpg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @woody weaver, @additionalMike

    Nah, Carrot Top is a low-T ugly guy who got sick of being shit on in pop culture and got super-jacked to make up for it. He’s like the after picture from an old Charles Atlas ad, ready to kick the bullies’ asses.

    That’s different from the hyper-masculine-since-teenage-hood ex-Marines and powerlifters who transition.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @R.G. Camara


    He’s like the after picture from an old Charles Atlas ad, ready to kick the bullies’ asses.
     
    Pretty sure they used less eye makeup back then though.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @R.G. Camara


    Nah, Carrot Top is a low-T ugly guy who got sick of being shit on in pop culture and got super-jacked to make up for it. He’s like the after picture from an old Charles Atlas ad, ready to kick the bullies’ asses.
     
    Wally Cox did it the natural way, didn't he? (Or did proto-steroids kill him?)

    And he didn't feel a need to flaunt it, other than a brief flash on Mission Impossible. Milking his typecasting was worth it. Marlon Brando pined for Cox, not vice versa.
  47. @James B. Shearer
    @whiskey

    "Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know."

    I think this is a Chrome problem. I was getting strange warning messages on a liberal site. Then I upgraded Windows and Chrome and they seem to have gone away.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Chrome and Brave were doing this on our laptop before; I didn’t check Edge. (Yes, three browsers on one device.) Some are saying that it doesn’t matter if you don’t have Googleware on your end; almost all servers now do. I had to go to the minimum security level to get to Steve, though not to Unz.

    No problems at all on Silk… thus far. Besos is good for something!

  48. MC says:

    Surprisingly, Peyton Manning, whose most famous attribute as a quarterback was seemingly moving players on both teams around the field to where he wanted them to be with just his brain, only got a 28 on the Wonderlic. He also only scored 1030 on the SAT. Just from observing the guy interact with other people, along with how he played the game, those scores seem artificially low.

    A friend of mine opined that maybe he just didn’t bother studying for either test because he was obviously going to go wherever he wanted for college/be drafted No. 1. I have a pet theory that he tanked both tests because he didn’t want to be pigeonholed as the “smart” (read: difficult) quarterback.

    • Replies: @res
    @MC

    That sounds like spatial ability. Which the SAT does not really test for.
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/recognizing-spatial-intel/

    Replies: @MC

    , @ScarletNumber
    @MC


    he didn’t want to be pigeonholed as the “smart” (read: difficult) quarterback
     
    Josh Rosen has this reputation and he got a 29 on his Wonderlic.

    Replies: @MC

  49. @Cheruuuub
    @Buzz Mohawk

    For the past couple of weeks (how long it has been since I’ve noticed it, at least) DuckDuckGo (the otherwise conspicuously reliable search engine) has brought up when searching “Steve Sailer” only archives of his Unz postings. A quick scroll on the search page reveals no links to his most recent postings. I’ve instead been clicking on his Twitter link and then on the blog link in his header, as that points to it correctly. This is interesting to me as it almost certainly cannot be ascribed to a filter or woke developer, and the “Duck” seems to almost always find the thing that one is specifically searching for.

    Replies: @Polistra

    FWIW, it has seemed to me recently that DDG results resemble something like “Google Lite” and it didn’t use to be that way. I was wondering if they were massaging results in such a way as to ensure their continued livelihood in these our Woke times.

    For whatever reason, I was researching something to do with war crimes in Palestine. Page after page of results of the ‘Official Line’ which was what I expect from Google and Bing but not DDG. Perhaps DDG has been assimilated?

  50. @R.G. Camara
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Nah, Carrot Top is a low-T ugly guy who got sick of being shit on in pop culture and got super-jacked to make up for it. He's like the after picture from an old Charles Atlas ad, ready to kick the bullies' asses.

    That's different from the hyper-masculine-since-teenage-hood ex-Marines and powerlifters who transition.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar

    He’s like the after picture from an old Charles Atlas ad, ready to kick the bullies’ asses.

    Pretty sure they used less eye makeup back then though.

  51. Their position of assuming blacks and whites have the same IQ for this purpose, does not even make sense regardless of the cause of the lower black IQ.This includes black scores only being lower because of environmental and or test bias reasons. As you are only looking for large decline in score against a norm not at the absolute value.

    Or so the AP article accidentally implies that San Diego military blacks are lower IQ than regular blacks. “The small sample group of Blacks Heaton chose to create his adjustment protocol came entirely from San Diego, a military town where the Black population hardly reflected the diversity of Blacks across the U.S.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jim Doe

    San Diego blacks are probably like Honolulu blacks: pretty smart.

    Replies: @Jim Doe

    , @William Badwhite
    @Jim Doe


    The small sample group of Blacks Heaton chose to create his adjustment protocol came entirely from San Diego, a military town where the Black population hardly reflected the diversity of Blacks across the U.S.”
     
    The military has minimums for intelligence (they use an IQ-like test to screen recruits) and also generally will not take people with criminal records.

    Thus its likely that blacks in San Diego - being either in the Navy/Marines or children of people in the Navy/Marines - would have higher IQ's than the average US black.
    , @Alden
    @Jim Doe

    Judging by the black men coming and going from the near by veterans hospital, black military are the dregs of the black population.

  52. I’ve taken some sample online Wonderlic tests over the years and never missed a question. My IQ is not 158, however. I’d say more like 147. Math ability much better than verbal ability.

    Hard to believe that Kaepernick has a legit 134 IQ. Peyton Manning’s Wonderlic score was 28 (IQ 114).

    • Replies: @joe862
    @Adam Grant

    IQ measurement certainly has value but you can't possibly think that it's the primary indicator of success in football. Physical and temperamental characteristics must play a huge role. I'd think an IQ of 114 is plenty adequate for a person to be an elite football player if they have the necessary physical and temperamental qualities. He's about 3 standard deviations taller than average. 1 standard deviation smarter. He's probably 3 standard deviations more able to maintain interest in something as inherently pointless as football than the average guy is.

    Replies: @Truth

  53. Since it is coming out of the pockets of owners such as Zygi Wilf, Steve Tisch, Daniel Snyder, Stephen Ross, Jeffrey Lurie, Jim Irsay, Malcolm Glazer, Mark Davis, Robert Kraft, and Arthur M. Blank, I think it is vital that the NFL compensate for the brain damage of black players at the white intelligence rate. The NFL has no hesitancy to virtue signal about black lives, while all the time profiting from the exploitation of all players’ damaged brains. The Sport Industrial Complex would never in a million years publicly admit to white/black IQ differences but will implicitly use these differences in the service of Jewish wealth defense. When affirmative action is being paid for out of the pockets of the enemy, it is a fully justified policy.

  54. “The authors treat Wonderlic scores as a noisy signal of a player’s adaptability to the NFL game that may be more informative for White players than it is for Black players. The authors find that Wonderlic scores are important in explaining relative draft position for quarterbacks, offensive linemen, and tight ends”

    A very noisy signal indeed. The GOAT, T. Brady scored a respectable 33 on the Wonderlic but Ryan Fitzpatrick who’s never been near a Superbowl (at least in uniform) had a super 48 score. Terry Bradshaw, runner-up, with four Superbowl victories scored a lackluster 15 on Wonderlic, as did Jim Kelly, who went to four straight Superbowls & somehow managed to lose them all. Phil Simms, who picked up a couple of SB rings did even worse with a woeful score of only 10. But Eli Manning, the only QB to beat Brady twice in SB’s had a more impressive 39. Eli’s better known big brother Peyton got a 28. Donovan McNabb, another SB QB had a 12 score even though he couldn’t beat #12 in the big game. Celebrity QB Tim Tebow eeked out a 22 score. And record-holding QB, Dan Marino clocked a 15. Jewish QB’s, Sage Rosenfels & Rex Grossman & Josh Rosen had middling scores at 32 & 29 & 29 respectively. And highest paid player Mahomes was at 24. Interestingly, black tight end & former Patriots star & anti-abortion activist Ben Watson was also able to put up a 48 score, although most of the rest of the high scorers are white; including ex-BC linebacker Mike Mamula at 49. So the NFL can probably make a case for ‘race-norming’; although the wonder of it is that they’re willing to even try, in today’s overheated cancel culture.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @unwoke

    unwoke, thank you for an interesting comment and how does Jim Kelly rate induction into the NFL HoF? And he is a knucklehead.

  55. @Jim Doe
    Their position of assuming blacks and whites have the same IQ for this purpose, does not even make sense regardless of the cause of the lower black IQ.This includes black scores only being lower because of environmental and or test bias reasons. As you are only looking for large decline in score against a norm not at the absolute value.

    Or so the AP article accidentally implies that San Diego military blacks are lower IQ than regular blacks. "The small sample group of Blacks Heaton chose to create his adjustment protocol came entirely from San Diego, a military town where the Black population hardly reflected the diversity of Blacks across the U.S."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William Badwhite, @Alden

    San Diego blacks are probably like Honolulu blacks: pretty smart.

    • Replies: @Jim Doe
    @Steve Sailer

    I agree, not sure if the journalist thinks people in the military are dumb or does not realize that the norming sample being to smart helps black get more money.

  56. Under the settlement, however, the NFL has insisted on using a scoring algorithm on the dementia testing that assumes Black men start with lower cognitive skills.

    I am surprised that such a contention from the new “woke” NFL is not causing them significant problems, including the charge of racism.

    How can the NFL get away with claiming that black football players have lower cognitive abilities than white football players?

    As we all know what is true is not relevant.

    What is relevant is any claim that there may be different cognitive abilities between races.

    I cannot see how the NFL can win on this one. And given their eagerness to get on the BLM bandwagon, I hope it bites them in the ass.

  57. @danand
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Ryan Fitzpatrick...is a Harvard grad."

    Like father, like son:

    https://youtu.be/9OYK_NlZ7n4

    99% nature over 1% nurture

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

    That’s pretty good for an eight-year-old but not totally amazing. Just use this handy formula:
    93×97 = (100-7)(100-3)
    = 10000 – (7+3)100 + 7×3
    = 10000 – 1000 + 21.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @International Jew

    What's even easier is 104×96 or 1001×999. You just use
    (a+b)(a-b)=a^2 - b^2.

    , @Ed
    @International Jew

    Think it’s clear his dad taught him this trick.

    , @AnotherDad
    @International Jew

    Agree. This is exactly what the kid was doing. I noticed the setup that it was two numbers in the 90s, so it's just a one digit addition for the missing hundreds, one digit multiplication and patching it together.

    Just in daily life i tend strongly to favor the "close to this" approach where applicable--i.e. do the easy math, then figure in the difference.

    I'll give credit here for Fitzpatrick teaching his kid this. A lot of kids face a bit of math and figure they can only grind--have no "sense" of the numbers and their relationships. And, of course, most would have to run to their phones.

    Replies: @International Jew

  58. @Stan Adams
    Completely OT:

    Every time I think that the people in my life can't get any shittier, I find that they've stooped to a new low.

    My grandmother has been in poor health for quite a while now, but she's taken a very bad turn recently. She was admitted to the hospital last week. Tonight she's very close to death. In all likelihood, she won't make it past the weekend.

    After a series of legal battles, my aunt gained control over my grandmother's affairs a few years ago.

    The attorney she hired is a nasty condescending bitch. For my grandmother's sake - and for that reason alone - I have cooperated with the attorney whenever she has requested my assistance.

    Just a little while ago I learned that my grandmother was discharged from the hospital nearly two days ago. She's in hospice care at the moment.

    My aunt didn't say one word to me. My cousin - with whom I have had several lengthy conversations over the last few days - didn't say one word to me. The lawyer - with whom I have also been in contact - didn't say one word to me.

    My aunt knew that her mother was discharged, but she didn't tell her sister. She didn't tell her brother. She didn't tell any of my grandmother's relatives. She didn't tell anyone.

    What makes me angry is that neither my aunt nor my cousin visited my grandmother in the hospital. I visited her. My mother visited her. My uncle drove several hours to visit her. But my aunt, who lives only 15 minutes away, didn't visit her. And yet she is the one who makes the decisions, and she is the one who gets the phone calls.

    My aunt and the lawyer have mismanaged my grandmother's care over the years, burning through all of Grandma's assets along the way. I could write a book about all of the shenanigans that have gone on. (Come to think of it, I might.)

    Perhaps I am overreacting. But you have to remember that this is just the latest in a long series of falsehoods and manipulative half-truths they've slung at me. They've lied to me numerous times over the years, and I've forgiven them every time. Grandma taught me that family members always forgive one another, no matter how serious the injury.

    But to lie to me now, about this? It is an unconscionable betrayal and a grievous insult. But it is also a moment of clarity.

    There are times in life when people reveal their true selves. My aunt and my cousin have just given me a glimpse into the depths of their souls, and it isn't a pretty sight.

    I am hardly a saint myself. I've committed many sins over the years. I've lied to lots of people, and rarely felt any real pangs of conscience. But I've never lied about anything like this. And I find it very hard to forgive those who have lied to me.

    My uncle told me the other day that he wasn't sure he would attend the funeral, because he didn't know if he could stand to be in the same room with my aunt - his sister. I know exactly how he feels. I might stay away myself. My aunt will be there. My cousin will be there. Perhaps even the lawyer will be there. And I don't know if I can be civil toward them. And even if I can keep my mouth shut, rest assured that my mother will not be able to hold her tongue. She'll start yelling and screaming and carrying on. And I don't want any part of that.

    If I don't attend, my mother surely won't. She won't subject herself to "those people" (as she calls them) without having me around as her crutch.

    Perhaps the best way for me to honor my grandmother's legacy is to stay away. Let those who choose to attend the service memorialize her as they wish. I know what Grandma meant to me, and I know that no one can ever take that away from me.

    Others might criticize me harshly for my absence, and they might be right when they say that I owe it to my grandmother to be there. And perhaps I will change my mind over the next few days. But right now I don't even want to be reminded of the fact that my aunt exists, let alone look at her, let alone converse with her. As for my cousin ... she's the closest thing I have to a sister, but I really don't want to deal with her right now.

    If my grandmother's mind were still intact, she would ask me to forgive them. She would tell me that family members should not hold grudges against one another. For her sake - and her sake alone - I will try to keep my anger toward them in check.

    But I feel no such obligation to forgive the lawyer. Tonight I learned that the lawyer told the hospital not to give my mother any information. (She's been calling over there for days. Finally I was able to call tonight and get the real story.)

    I declare unreservedly, without apology or regret, that I hate the lawyer with every fiber of my being. I hope she burns in hell.

    It occurs to me that I've been somewhat numb over the last few days, not really allowing myself to feel anything, and perhaps this sudden burst of anger is just part of my mind's attempt to process the emotional trauma of this event. (Once you hear the word hospice, you think, "Oh, God, this really is the end.") Perhaps the rage I feel toward my aunt and my cousin is just the inevitable flash of anger that everyone feels in the midst of one's utter helplessness in the face of impending death.

    At any rate, Grandma's long journey is nearing its completion.

    In the miserable days and weeks and months and even years after my grandfather's untimely death, the only thing that kept her going was the prospect of her reunion with him at the moment of her own demise. Perhaps she'll go into the light and find him waiting for her; perhaps she'll simply fade away into eternal nothingness. Not being particularly religious, but refusing to submit to the spiritual sterility of atheism, I can say only that I hope she'll be at peace, wherever she ends up.

    Replies: @North Carolina Resident, @Polemos, @Faraday's Bobcat

    You should go. 100% you should go. It’s about respecting your grandmother. Be the bigger man.

  59. @Adam Grant
    I've taken some sample online Wonderlic tests over the years and never missed a question. My IQ is not 158, however. I'd say more like 147. Math ability much better than verbal ability.

    Hard to believe that Kaepernick has a legit 134 IQ. Peyton Manning's Wonderlic score was 28 (IQ 114).

    Replies: @joe862

    IQ measurement certainly has value but you can’t possibly think that it’s the primary indicator of success in football. Physical and temperamental characteristics must play a huge role. I’d think an IQ of 114 is plenty adequate for a person to be an elite football player if they have the necessary physical and temperamental qualities. He’s about 3 standard deviations taller than average. 1 standard deviation smarter. He’s probably 3 standard deviations more able to maintain interest in something as inherently pointless as football than the average guy is.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @joe862


    He’s probably 3 standard deviations more able to maintain interest in something as inherently pointless as football than the average guy is.
     
    Are you sure a football career would be "pointless" to the average guy?

    https://www.wealthygenius.com/colin-kaepernick-net-worth/

    Replies: @joe862

  60. @International Jew
    @danand

    That's pretty good for an eight-year-old but not totally amazing. Just use this handy formula:
    93×97 = (100-7)(100-3)
    = 10000 - (7+3)100 + 7×3
    = 10000 - 1000 + 21.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Ed, @AnotherDad

    What’s even easier is 104×96 or 1001×999. You just use
    (a+b)(a-b)=a^2 – b^2.

  61. @whiskey
    Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Dr., @Morton's toes, @Buzz Mohawk, @anon, @theMann, @Nicholas Stix, @Desiderius, @Valerivs Antoninvs Pretorivs Gælicvs

    Don’t use Google products. Seriously.

    DuckDuckGo and Bing will do if you must search, and it is very interesting to compare their results to Google’s. I use Yandex if I really have to dig, but I also read Russian okish enough to use Yandex if I really have to dig. But understand there is no place you search that you won’t get tagged for searching there.

    If you are uncomfortable using a decent open source product like Firefox, then maybe try Brave or Opera. But don’t use Chrome or any other Google product. Seriously.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @theMann

    I agree on google.

    My go to search engine is currently Swiss Cows. They're rolling out a suite of high privacy, Swiss based services. Didn't I see somewhere something about Firefox's Israeli based servers?

  62. @anon
    @whiskey

    It's been happening for quite a while. It's why I switched to Firefox and use DuckDuckGo as my default search two years ago. Don't miss Chrome and Google at all.

    About the article:

    What about the kickers? I'd say that's a 99% white job, maybe 1% Asian. I don't remember the last time I saw a black kicker.

    I thought that bit about Kaepernick's 134 IQ was a joke.

    Former Seahawks teammates Doug Baldwin and Richard Sherman both went to Stanford, I wonder how they scored? I think Baldwin is a little smarter than Sherman. I'm guessing both scored lower than Tom Brady(UMich) and Aaron Rodgers(UCBerkeley).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @anon, @Anon55uu

    Aaron Rodgers went to berkeley via Community college. Bit of an isteve fact.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Anon55uu

    There are terms for all of the routes that college football players follow. There is green shirting where a student graduates high school in December at the end of the high school football season that then enrolls in the University for the spring semester in order to go through spring training.

    There is gray shirting where a football player wants to go to school that has a returning starter for the same position. The player either transfers to a private academy (ex, Fort Union Military Academy), plays another year of high school football and then green shrits. The player can go to junior college to follow the same path.

    There is the traditional red shirt where a player does not play for year but works out with the team and is on scholarship. Since a FBS school is limited to 85 scholarships, there is a limit on the red shirts. Also, since a school is limited to 85 football scholarship, anyone who talks about players keeping their scholarship after being injured and leaving the team does not know what they are talking about.

    There is now the transfer portal where players can transfer after playing a limited number of games and play the next year rather than sitting out a year. This has created free agency in college football players who keep jumping from one school to another in hopes of looking better for the pros. Some programs survive by getting transfer who had their scholarships pulled by big time programs.

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @Anon55uu

    However that is thing that is very prevalent in California, players going to community college football programs because they are feeder programs for universities like Stanford, USC, UCLA, and Cal. Often they go because they can play football right away, impress the big boys and move up after two years and start.

    Replies: @David In TN

  63. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Ronnie1972

    After seeing that, I'm waiting for Carrot Top to go trans.


    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KlUjstc404U/UME4BgtvbZI/AAAAAAAAMmg/n8AYg2vn0Gc/s1600/carrot-top-shoulders-steroids.jpg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @woody weaver, @additionalMike

    Going Trans might actually be an improvement.

  64. I’d like to see the replication package for that study. I’m always skeptical when the author leads with p value. I’d rather see uncertainty in the effect size. The world is catching up with Paul Meehl’s critique and computing power has made reliance on the easily computed p-value an historical artifact.

    As for intelligence, Spearman championed the IQ as a single latent factor, composed from a set of manifest (measured) subfactors. But the subfactors matter (as Flynn effect seems to show). QB success depends on both slow thinking (read a defense alignment) and fast thinking (finding open receiver) after the snap. Moreover, play depends on the ability to visualize how the play will develop. As Gretzky said, don’t skate to where the puck is, skate to where it’s going to be. IQ tests are mostly static, so if this is a distinct subfactor, I doubt they measure it.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Dr. DoomNGloom

    The P-value is the uncertainty, or did you mean an uncertainty interval which is nothing more than a P-value looked up in a table rather than calculated.

  65. If any of them were smart they would have altogether avoided the Faustian draft into a gladiatorial sport that gives you brain damage.

    However, to be fair, many of them may have also reduced their own brain functioning by excessive consumption of recreational drugs and alcohol.

  66. @Ralph L
    High IQ does not always lead to wisdom. Note the wide open receiver's jazz hands at the bottom, followed by Yosemite Sam jumping.

    https://youtu.be/F2MUiIcwQPM?t=12

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    That happens to every QB, but your description is perfect.

  67. @anon215
    Yeah well... Kaepernick is probably like 70% white so that makes sense.

    Replies: @Jake, @Truth

    The non-rapist part

  68. Oddly enough, it was the same story for draftees in the US war on ‘Nam.

  69. @TruthRevolution.net
    The truth about racist facts is totally taboo. In this unreal fantasy world, lots of crazy false conclusions happen.

    From false follows false is a law of mathematical logic

    So we are lucky that not 100% of Blacks get payout for being below a certain IQ

    Everything false can be derived from one false premise (f ⇒ f)
    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/

    From one false premise (false dogma, false belief) everything false follows. In mathematics, from the false assumption (a) that 1+1= 3 other false math follows (like 3+5=17342)

    f ⇒ f From one false assumption everything else can be deduced as true, mathematical logic tells us1. Thus Sincerity.net demands “zero tolerance” for dishonesty. We demand “zero tolerance” for anything that misleads people into potentially false beliefs

    Replies: @Polemos, @Deckin

    How do Gettier counterexamples fit into this?

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    @Polemos

    How did Gettier cases fit into the conquest of North America by Europeans? They didn’t...because of the irrelevancy outside of a philosophy graduate seminar on the philosophy of justified true belief. It’s the same thing with IQ test score psychometrics:irrelevant to the problem that Working Class Native Born White Americans now have to deal with....the philosophically inclined now require that Working Class White Folks master the finer details of IQ test score psychometrics and......63 years of counter examples to counter examples to Edmund Gettier....holy shit, their fucking brains will explode while the demographic transformation of America proceeds apace. WE ARE NOT BRAINS IN A VAT!!!

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain

  70. @R.G. Camara
    @Unladen Swallow

    Young also had a terrible time dealing with pressure.

    I do think IQ was definitely a factor. Young was never cerebral as a QB, and always relied on his men-among-boys athleticism in college to deliver victories, but this failed in the NFL he was no more athletic than the next guy .

    However, Young, like many blacks, is highly emotional and sensitive to what others are saying about him. In the very-positive UT environment he thrived, because the cheers for him would carry him, and his team was so good he would almost always be winning even if he himself was having an off-game.

    But in the NFL his team wasn't world-beating, and the pro fans were not going to coddle him as a fellow student. So when he heard the boo birds, he got very low, and he was unable to climb out of the funk and get better or else shrug it off.

    I remember exactly when I knew Young wasn't long for the NFL. After the boo birds came out in Tennessee, his own mother was quoted in the sports mags as asking the fans to be nicer and lay off her son. If a mom feels the need to protect her adult kid publicly from normal NFL criticism, then the kid is definitely too fragile for the league.

    Incidentally, as our society has clamped down on any criticism or negativity towards black, it has only increased their emotional highs and made them more susceptible to weakness when low. In the past, if a black was ... not extolled from birth, they would develop some toughness around their emotions. But American society's coddling of blacks' emotions has made them extremely weak in the face of adversity ---a 1970s player in football would psychologically destroy a 2021 black football player.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @James Forrestal

    “However, Young, like many blacks, is highly emotional and sensitive to what others are saying about him”

    This is that high self esteem Steve is always referring to.

  71. @International Jew
    @danand

    That's pretty good for an eight-year-old but not totally amazing. Just use this handy formula:
    93×97 = (100-7)(100-3)
    = 10000 - (7+3)100 + 7×3
    = 10000 - 1000 + 21.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Ed, @AnotherDad

    Think it’s clear his dad taught him this trick.

  72. @Stan Adams
    Completely OT:

    Every time I think that the people in my life can't get any shittier, I find that they've stooped to a new low.

    My grandmother has been in poor health for quite a while now, but she's taken a very bad turn recently. She was admitted to the hospital last week. Tonight she's very close to death. In all likelihood, she won't make it past the weekend.

    After a series of legal battles, my aunt gained control over my grandmother's affairs a few years ago.

    The attorney she hired is a nasty condescending bitch. For my grandmother's sake - and for that reason alone - I have cooperated with the attorney whenever she has requested my assistance.

    Just a little while ago I learned that my grandmother was discharged from the hospital nearly two days ago. She's in hospice care at the moment.

    My aunt didn't say one word to me. My cousin - with whom I have had several lengthy conversations over the last few days - didn't say one word to me. The lawyer - with whom I have also been in contact - didn't say one word to me.

    My aunt knew that her mother was discharged, but she didn't tell her sister. She didn't tell her brother. She didn't tell any of my grandmother's relatives. She didn't tell anyone.

    What makes me angry is that neither my aunt nor my cousin visited my grandmother in the hospital. I visited her. My mother visited her. My uncle drove several hours to visit her. But my aunt, who lives only 15 minutes away, didn't visit her. And yet she is the one who makes the decisions, and she is the one who gets the phone calls.

    My aunt and the lawyer have mismanaged my grandmother's care over the years, burning through all of Grandma's assets along the way. I could write a book about all of the shenanigans that have gone on. (Come to think of it, I might.)

    Perhaps I am overreacting. But you have to remember that this is just the latest in a long series of falsehoods and manipulative half-truths they've slung at me. They've lied to me numerous times over the years, and I've forgiven them every time. Grandma taught me that family members always forgive one another, no matter how serious the injury.

    But to lie to me now, about this? It is an unconscionable betrayal and a grievous insult. But it is also a moment of clarity.

    There are times in life when people reveal their true selves. My aunt and my cousin have just given me a glimpse into the depths of their souls, and it isn't a pretty sight.

    I am hardly a saint myself. I've committed many sins over the years. I've lied to lots of people, and rarely felt any real pangs of conscience. But I've never lied about anything like this. And I find it very hard to forgive those who have lied to me.

    My uncle told me the other day that he wasn't sure he would attend the funeral, because he didn't know if he could stand to be in the same room with my aunt - his sister. I know exactly how he feels. I might stay away myself. My aunt will be there. My cousin will be there. Perhaps even the lawyer will be there. And I don't know if I can be civil toward them. And even if I can keep my mouth shut, rest assured that my mother will not be able to hold her tongue. She'll start yelling and screaming and carrying on. And I don't want any part of that.

    If I don't attend, my mother surely won't. She won't subject herself to "those people" (as she calls them) without having me around as her crutch.

    Perhaps the best way for me to honor my grandmother's legacy is to stay away. Let those who choose to attend the service memorialize her as they wish. I know what Grandma meant to me, and I know that no one can ever take that away from me.

    Others might criticize me harshly for my absence, and they might be right when they say that I owe it to my grandmother to be there. And perhaps I will change my mind over the next few days. But right now I don't even want to be reminded of the fact that my aunt exists, let alone look at her, let alone converse with her. As for my cousin ... she's the closest thing I have to a sister, but I really don't want to deal with her right now.

    If my grandmother's mind were still intact, she would ask me to forgive them. She would tell me that family members should not hold grudges against one another. For her sake - and her sake alone - I will try to keep my anger toward them in check.

    But I feel no such obligation to forgive the lawyer. Tonight I learned that the lawyer told the hospital not to give my mother any information. (She's been calling over there for days. Finally I was able to call tonight and get the real story.)

    I declare unreservedly, without apology or regret, that I hate the lawyer with every fiber of my being. I hope she burns in hell.

    It occurs to me that I've been somewhat numb over the last few days, not really allowing myself to feel anything, and perhaps this sudden burst of anger is just part of my mind's attempt to process the emotional trauma of this event. (Once you hear the word hospice, you think, "Oh, God, this really is the end.") Perhaps the rage I feel toward my aunt and my cousin is just the inevitable flash of anger that everyone feels in the midst of one's utter helplessness in the face of impending death.

    At any rate, Grandma's long journey is nearing its completion.

    In the miserable days and weeks and months and even years after my grandfather's untimely death, the only thing that kept her going was the prospect of her reunion with him at the moment of her own demise. Perhaps she'll go into the light and find him waiting for her; perhaps she'll simply fade away into eternal nothingness. Not being particularly religious, but refusing to submit to the spiritual sterility of atheism, I can say only that I hope she'll be at peace, wherever she ends up.

    Replies: @North Carolina Resident, @Polemos, @Faraday's Bobcat

    I’m genuinely sorry for what you’ve gone through and I hope you choose what your heart and spirit find best for your mind to contemplate with peace from here on out. Rage towards a villain, or villains, is definitely one way some people deal with their own impotence towards the cruelty or dispassion of others —you are healthy and self-aware enough to recognize this, and so in a better state to either find your power to make them own their sins or find your calling to transcend every bit of this trussed-up world.

  73. @Reg Cæsar
    @danand


    99% nature over 1% nurture
     
    But how many languages can he do this in?

    Replies: @International Jew

    I’d ask him to do long division with Roman numerals. (Ok, that would be mean, as he’s just a kid. But I did pose just that challenge once to an adult who put himself forward in public as some kind of math whiz.)

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @International Jew


    I’d ask him to do long division with Roman numerals. (Ok, that would be mean, as he’s just a kid. But I did pose just that challenge once to an adult who put himself forward in public as some kind of math whiz.)
     
    The Roman numeral thing is interesting to me. I look at some of the stuff the Romans did and think "damn!". But Roman scribes had counting tables that essentially used place-value, but they did not make the transition. Which actually seems pretty easy--for example just using letters for the number words. The Chinese too. Yet we ended up with Hindu numerals.

    But then the things people figure out/don't are interesting. The Chinese did all sorts of innovation ... but use essentially a pictographic written language--never made the phonetic transition.

    One thing that dawned--too slowly--for me is just how stupid we are and how near the beginning (and perhaps the end). We are exactly as smart as we needed to be to develop the stuff we have in the time we've had--no more.


    Unfortunately, for we Westerners we don't seem to be smart enough to dismiss a lame scam like minoritarianism. So our great run looks like it's coming to an end. Sad. Very sad.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  74. @Polistra
    In a related story

    https://i.ibb.co/gm3KC4P/Screenshot-20210514-214850-Chrome.jpg

    Presumably this works for assessments too? Because I'd totally be willing to slap on some blackface if it'll cut my real-estate taxes in half. I'll even cry if it'll help. No shame here.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Neoconned, @Charon

    Is this true or 1 of those stupid false social media clickbait “stories?”

  75. @Morton's toes
    This Pat MacAfee interview of Rob Ninkovich on the topic of Tim Tebow at tight end is tangentially related. It is also the most hilarious thing on the internet all month.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFuPJROAvDQ

    Replies: @Danindc

    Ninkovich line about Tebow scrambling during 7-7 drills is hilarious. Lol

  76. @whiskey
    Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Dr., @Morton's toes, @Buzz Mohawk, @anon, @theMann, @Nicholas Stix, @Desiderius, @Valerivs Antoninvs Pretorivs Gælicvs

    Two of my friends (reader-contributors) had the same experience last night with my primary blog. We all assumed it was an extension of google’s war on yours truly, but the red screens have since disappeared.

  77. @Stan Adams
    Completely OT:

    Every time I think that the people in my life can't get any shittier, I find that they've stooped to a new low.

    My grandmother has been in poor health for quite a while now, but she's taken a very bad turn recently. She was admitted to the hospital last week. Tonight she's very close to death. In all likelihood, she won't make it past the weekend.

    After a series of legal battles, my aunt gained control over my grandmother's affairs a few years ago.

    The attorney she hired is a nasty condescending bitch. For my grandmother's sake - and for that reason alone - I have cooperated with the attorney whenever she has requested my assistance.

    Just a little while ago I learned that my grandmother was discharged from the hospital nearly two days ago. She's in hospice care at the moment.

    My aunt didn't say one word to me. My cousin - with whom I have had several lengthy conversations over the last few days - didn't say one word to me. The lawyer - with whom I have also been in contact - didn't say one word to me.

    My aunt knew that her mother was discharged, but she didn't tell her sister. She didn't tell her brother. She didn't tell any of my grandmother's relatives. She didn't tell anyone.

    What makes me angry is that neither my aunt nor my cousin visited my grandmother in the hospital. I visited her. My mother visited her. My uncle drove several hours to visit her. But my aunt, who lives only 15 minutes away, didn't visit her. And yet she is the one who makes the decisions, and she is the one who gets the phone calls.

    My aunt and the lawyer have mismanaged my grandmother's care over the years, burning through all of Grandma's assets along the way. I could write a book about all of the shenanigans that have gone on. (Come to think of it, I might.)

    Perhaps I am overreacting. But you have to remember that this is just the latest in a long series of falsehoods and manipulative half-truths they've slung at me. They've lied to me numerous times over the years, and I've forgiven them every time. Grandma taught me that family members always forgive one another, no matter how serious the injury.

    But to lie to me now, about this? It is an unconscionable betrayal and a grievous insult. But it is also a moment of clarity.

    There are times in life when people reveal their true selves. My aunt and my cousin have just given me a glimpse into the depths of their souls, and it isn't a pretty sight.

    I am hardly a saint myself. I've committed many sins over the years. I've lied to lots of people, and rarely felt any real pangs of conscience. But I've never lied about anything like this. And I find it very hard to forgive those who have lied to me.

    My uncle told me the other day that he wasn't sure he would attend the funeral, because he didn't know if he could stand to be in the same room with my aunt - his sister. I know exactly how he feels. I might stay away myself. My aunt will be there. My cousin will be there. Perhaps even the lawyer will be there. And I don't know if I can be civil toward them. And even if I can keep my mouth shut, rest assured that my mother will not be able to hold her tongue. She'll start yelling and screaming and carrying on. And I don't want any part of that.

    If I don't attend, my mother surely won't. She won't subject herself to "those people" (as she calls them) without having me around as her crutch.

    Perhaps the best way for me to honor my grandmother's legacy is to stay away. Let those who choose to attend the service memorialize her as they wish. I know what Grandma meant to me, and I know that no one can ever take that away from me.

    Others might criticize me harshly for my absence, and they might be right when they say that I owe it to my grandmother to be there. And perhaps I will change my mind over the next few days. But right now I don't even want to be reminded of the fact that my aunt exists, let alone look at her, let alone converse with her. As for my cousin ... she's the closest thing I have to a sister, but I really don't want to deal with her right now.

    If my grandmother's mind were still intact, she would ask me to forgive them. She would tell me that family members should not hold grudges against one another. For her sake - and her sake alone - I will try to keep my anger toward them in check.

    But I feel no such obligation to forgive the lawyer. Tonight I learned that the lawyer told the hospital not to give my mother any information. (She's been calling over there for days. Finally I was able to call tonight and get the real story.)

    I declare unreservedly, without apology or regret, that I hate the lawyer with every fiber of my being. I hope she burns in hell.

    It occurs to me that I've been somewhat numb over the last few days, not really allowing myself to feel anything, and perhaps this sudden burst of anger is just part of my mind's attempt to process the emotional trauma of this event. (Once you hear the word hospice, you think, "Oh, God, this really is the end.") Perhaps the rage I feel toward my aunt and my cousin is just the inevitable flash of anger that everyone feels in the midst of one's utter helplessness in the face of impending death.

    At any rate, Grandma's long journey is nearing its completion.

    In the miserable days and weeks and months and even years after my grandfather's untimely death, the only thing that kept her going was the prospect of her reunion with him at the moment of her own demise. Perhaps she'll go into the light and find him waiting for her; perhaps she'll simply fade away into eternal nothingness. Not being particularly religious, but refusing to submit to the spiritual sterility of atheism, I can say only that I hope she'll be at peace, wherever she ends up.

    Replies: @North Carolina Resident, @Polemos, @Faraday's Bobcat

    There should be a special level of hell for people who destroy family relationships.

    Go to the funeral, but if you see your aunt in the reception line, scissor-kick her in the bacon.

  78. But Steve, I thought there’s no such thing as race, and no such thing as IQ. Isn’t that what guys like Richard Lewontin, Leon Kamin, Steven Jay Gould, and their successors have been saying for 50 years?

  79. Btw, the CoronaHoax ended yesterday: CDC says no facediapers anywhere if you got the double-penetration Prick. And of course I did 🤞😇

    One year ago Oregon averaged 1.3 deaths per day attributed to the CoronaSniffles. Just yesterday, we had 14 deaths by sniffles. How can the Covid Disinformation Centers be so callous! 😢

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I self-identify as vaccinated, so I don't need the jabs.

  80. @songbird

    Both scores are well above national averages for their races. Why? My guess is that players’ agents help them prep for the test.
     
    I thought that athletes were generally a tiny bit smarter than average, controlling for race. The implication being that healthier people have less mutational load, which also affects the brain.

    Though, I remember seeing one or two that had a hairline about half an inch above their eyebrows, and I've long wondered what craniometric and IQ data would reveal about such individuals.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Feryl, @res

    You would certainly expect bigger and stronger people to be smarter than small weak people, on average (within an ethnic group, of course). Antifa has been a fascinating study in physiognomy, somatic types, mutations, and easthetics. Antifa seem far uglier, weaker, and mentally disordered than the average person, much less a MAGA Chad. And the Pacific NW seems to draw a huge portion of nerdy and autistic people*, who then reproduce and create an even more dysgenic situation. In other parts of America, most of the dysfunction is caused by blacks and a small cadre of degenerate white liberals.

    *Does the lack of sunshine and warmth repel more athletic (e.g. healthy normies) people from settling there?

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    @Feryl

    None of them are native. Historically, the White population here has leaned heavily Northern Euro. Native born NW Whites skew tall and attractive. See also the ‘Great Hobo Migration’ - only about 10% of the Seattle homeless population is from the city. The rest are miscreants from the rest of the country that are drawn to “Freeattle” where drug and vagrancy laws are not enforced. Same thing is happening in SF, LA, Vancouver BC et al.

    I live in one of the Whitest Seattle (proper) neighborhoods (literally 2% Black, many of those likely mulatto) and have noticed most of the tech workers fit a particular phenotype: thin with very little muscle mass. Imagine something between Bill Gates and a normal White guy, only thinner. It will take a while to see how their kids turn out.

    *Seattle is the northernmost and most overcast major US city. On the other hand, the annual UV is about the same as the British Isles, so Northern Euro Whites should be right at home.

    Replies: @Feryl

  81. @International Jew
    @danand

    That's pretty good for an eight-year-old but not totally amazing. Just use this handy formula:
    93×97 = (100-7)(100-3)
    = 10000 - (7+3)100 + 7×3
    = 10000 - 1000 + 21.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Ed, @AnotherDad

    Agree. This is exactly what the kid was doing. I noticed the setup that it was two numbers in the 90s, so it’s just a one digit addition for the missing hundreds, one digit multiplication and patching it together.

    Just in daily life i tend strongly to favor the “close to this” approach where applicable–i.e. do the easy math, then figure in the difference.

    I’ll give credit here for Fitzpatrick teaching his kid this. A lot of kids face a bit of math and figure they can only grind–have no “sense” of the numbers and their relationships. And, of course, most would have to run to their phones.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @AnotherDad


    I’ll give credit here for Fitzpatrick teaching his kid this.
     
    Me too. But I do not give him credit for teaching the kid to be a public show-off.
  82. Wonderlic to IQ conversion (60+(2*Wonderlic score number))..whatever number you get that represents the points on the WAIS IQ Scale

  83. @Gamecock

    Both scores are well above national averages for their races. Why?
     
    Most had some college time. Most colleges with scholarship players pay attention to their players' academics, as the NCAA pays attention.

    I had a roommate in summer school ~1970. He was a star running back on the South Carolina football team. He was there to get his grade average above 2.0. He was taking driver's ed and photography, and staying up til midnight studying (!) every night.

    He was a good guy, just not real sharp. I admired his commitment to get 'er done.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Ah, yes, the glory days of Carolina football!

    Don’t forget that your running back had to satisfy the requirements of the 800 Rule.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Ben tillman

    In 1970 South Carolina was an all-white team with a 4-6-1 record. They played Tennessee that November and lost on a last-second field goal. Tennessee finished 11-1, ranked No. 4 in the final poll.

    In a book on Tennessee football, their 1970 captain said they had a hard time with South Carolina due to the Gamecocks' 260-70 pound offensive linemen. Around 1970 was when lineman of this size starting coming into college football.

    Replies: @Anon, @Ben tillman

  84. @International Jew
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'd ask him to do long division with Roman numerals. (Ok, that would be mean, as he's just a kid. But I did pose just that challenge once to an adult who put himself forward in public as some kind of math whiz.)

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    I’d ask him to do long division with Roman numerals. (Ok, that would be mean, as he’s just a kid. But I did pose just that challenge once to an adult who put himself forward in public as some kind of math whiz.)

    The Roman numeral thing is interesting to me. I look at some of the stuff the Romans did and think “damn!”. But Roman scribes had counting tables that essentially used place-value, but they did not make the transition. Which actually seems pretty easy–for example just using letters for the number words. The Chinese too. Yet we ended up with Hindu numerals.

    But then the things people figure out/don’t are interesting. The Chinese did all sorts of innovation … but use essentially a pictographic written language–never made the phonetic transition.

    One thing that dawned–too slowly–for me is just how stupid we are and how near the beginning (and perhaps the end). We are exactly as smart as we needed to be to develop the stuff we have in the time we’ve had–no more.

    Unfortunately, for we Westerners we don’t seem to be smart enough to dismiss a lame scam like minoritarianism. So our great run looks like it’s coming to an end. Sad. Very sad.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @AnotherDad

    I think languages do make a difference to intellectual scope.

    Being a native speaker of English is a huge advantage as English has a vast vocabulary, a huge body of literature, and is related to many other European languages.

    Having such a huge vocabulary, English lends itself very much to creativity and punning, because there are so many words and phrases that are similar.

    Many other languages such as tribal languages have a miniscule vocabulary by comparison, so tend to lead to much more concrete thinking and less abstraction.

    Even Spanish is much simplified compared to English and has less words.

    Compare:

    Zorro Zorra Zorrito vs Fox, Vixen, Cub or
    Perro, Perra, Perrito vs Dog, Bitch, Puppy.

    Then in horses we have horse, pony, stallion, gelding, mare, filly, foal vs variations on a single word in Spanish, which is a huge difference when you consider how many other secondary meanings each of these words has in the slang and vernacular. Sick puppy, stupid bitch, silly filly, soap-opera vixen, cub Scout, sly old fox, and so on.

    Speaking of which, why don't we just call Trans humans geldings, if we don't care for the word eunuch?

    However, it does seem to be a particularly American thing that pressure groups want to change the language by edict, a bit like the Academie Francaise, whereas English has traditionally continued to evolve, and dictionaries report usage rather than prescribe it.

    Replies: @International Jew

  85. @Anonymous
    The University of Nevada is cannily noncommittal about monumentalizing Kaep:
    https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2021/03/03/unr-no-plans-take-down-mackay-statue-erect-one-kaepernick/6892674002/

    I love the triangulation with not taking down the statue of a silver-magnate benefactor from 120 years ago, which action had been bruited on "just because" grounds, after a blue-ribbon panel carefully studied the matter & released its findings, natch. The U. of Nevada is just not a tall enough blade of grass to have to go along with this.

    Conservative media hacks are gonna have to find a new punchline, because declining birth rates coupled with the Evergreen presidency-forfeit comedy tripled with Trump's fade out, guarantee that higher ed will soon stop taking crap from SAT-proof ingrates. Pro sports is quickly getting on the same page. The mau-mau'ers will have to migrate to greener pastures in Silicon Wall Street, the media, the United Nations, etc.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @Barnard

    They ought a build a statue of Chris Ault. In K’s last year at UNR, Ault’s pistol offense averaged 7.2 yards per rush. Three successful tours of duty for Ault at a school where no one else could win is really impressive.

  86. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Ronnie1972

    After seeing that, I'm waiting for Carrot Top to go trans.


    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KlUjstc404U/UME4BgtvbZI/AAAAAAAAMmg/n8AYg2vn0Gc/s1600/carrot-top-shoulders-steroids.jpg

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @woody weaver, @additionalMike

    There is something really strange about those disproportionate lateral delts…I’m thinking injections of some kind.

  87. If you are still watching and talking about NFL Football…you are outsourcing your manhood to NFL TYRONE…..think about it….

  88. In other news whites on the way to counting 4/5ths of a person.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Desiderius

    OT:


    In other news whites on the way to counting 4/5ths of a person.
     
    Rather than foul play, it is more likely that Americans really did underestimate how many until-then uncounted immigrants there were in the blue states immigrants now typically flock to.

    Personally, I still think we are far, far underestimating and undercounting how many of those people there are in our country. Probably tens of millions are still uncounted, many of them illegally here and under the radar.

    Don't worry though, it is becoming easier for them to vote, so they will soon have the franchise if they don't already. Remember: No Human Is Illegal. You're neighbors know. They bought the sign, and they want to make sure you cannot question the platitudes they feel perfectly comfortable shoving down your throat.


    https://www.vispronet.com/design_tool/data/cscart_files/images/thumbnails/1143/1000/detailed/19/YardSign-KindnessIsEverything_y9fu-w7.jpg

    Replies: @Desiderius

  89. Rob says:

    IQ tests are often race-normed in the name of racial equity…

    Is this true? I have never heard this. I knew that the cutoff for retarded got moved from 85 down to 70 to avoid labeling half of blacks as retarded. Given how things have turned out in the inner cities; however, I would not want to argue the position that they are not retarded.

    It seems IQ tests lose a lot of their power when you start ‘norming’ for things. Age seems reasonable. Everyone who is old today was once young, so they had that level of brainpower when they were climbing. But unlike getting old, people don’t switch from white to black. There is no IQ that I ‘would’ have if I were black.

  90. @anon215
    Yeah well... Kaepernick is probably like 70% white so that makes sense.

    Replies: @Jake, @Truth

    He’s 70% white…

    So it makes sense that he is smarter than 90% of whites?

    What, pray tell, did you score on the Wonderlic?

  91. White receivers are always described as being able to run good routes and having great hands. Why? Because a white receiver that does not run good routes and have great run does not last on the team. Black receivers have the advantage of being faster, more physical, and being better at yards after catch.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Guest007


    White receivers are always described as being able to run good routes and having great hands. Why? Because a white receiver that does not run good routes and have great run does not last on the team. Black receivers have the advantage of being faster, more physical, and being better at yards after catch.
     
    (if true) That's a great example of how survivorship bias (or selection bias in general) can mess up the interpretation of an observed relationship.
    , @Feryl
    @Guest007

    Castefootball frequently has used physical measurables to show that blacks with objectively mediocre speed and agility are much more likely to be drafted than similarly abled whites. In fact, whites with quite good measurables are sometimes drafted low or not at all.

    There have been quite a few black running backs who end up looking like crap in the pros, and waddaya know, at the combine they tested out as slow and stiff. Let's face it, there's a lot of social pressure to give blacks jobs for which they are not always qualified. Was Don Shula (himself a white DB in his youth) a moron for winning Super bowls in the 70's with whiter than average rosters? Were the late 70's Raiders crazy to have three white running backs at one point?

    Its funny how the same people who see how crappy affirmative action has been in government and business somehow come to the conclusion that similar things could not possibly be affecting sports.

  92. @Anonymous
    The University of Nevada is cannily noncommittal about monumentalizing Kaep:
    https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2021/03/03/unr-no-plans-take-down-mackay-statue-erect-one-kaepernick/6892674002/

    I love the triangulation with not taking down the statue of a silver-magnate benefactor from 120 years ago, which action had been bruited on "just because" grounds, after a blue-ribbon panel carefully studied the matter & released its findings, natch. The U. of Nevada is just not a tall enough blade of grass to have to go along with this.

    Conservative media hacks are gonna have to find a new punchline, because declining birth rates coupled with the Evergreen presidency-forfeit comedy tripled with Trump's fade out, guarantee that higher ed will soon stop taking crap from SAT-proof ingrates. Pro sports is quickly getting on the same page. The mau-mau'ers will have to migrate to greener pastures in Silicon Wall Street, the media, the United Nations, etc.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @Barnard

    Nice of the Reno Gazette Journal to correct their idiot reporter’s claims that Gutzon Borglum had already joined the KKK when he carved the Mackey statue and that he carved what is currently displayed on Stone Mountain. Both of these claims could have been fact checked in less than five minutes, but who cares when there is a statue that needs to be torn down.

    Nevada-Reno is probably safe enrollment wise for awhile. There are limited options for students in the Nevada that want a state school education. Reluctance to putting a Kaepernick statue is probably more a result of concern about alienated current donors.

  93. res says:
    @songbird

    Both scores are well above national averages for their races. Why? My guess is that players’ agents help them prep for the test.
     
    I thought that athletes were generally a tiny bit smarter than average, controlling for race. The implication being that healthier people have less mutational load, which also affects the brain.

    Though, I remember seeing one or two that had a hairline about half an inch above their eyebrows, and I've long wondered what craniometric and IQ data would reveal about such individuals.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Feryl, @res

    Regarding Steve’s comment:

    Both scores are well above national averages for their races. Why? My guess is that players’ agents help them prep for the test.

    I think both you and Gamecock (comment 3) are onto something.

    It seems likely to me that there are at least three effects present, but I’m not sure how to evaluate their relative importance.

    1. Test prep. There are millions of dollars at stake and the Wonderlic is a simple test.

    2. NFL draftees have (almost?) all been to college and had to at least pretend to belong there. Given the amount of AA involved, a 1 SD difference between blacks and whites and almost a 1 SD difference between collegians/draftees and the general population both seem reasonable.

    3. Your point, which sometimes goes by the fancy name “system integrity hypothesis.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_epidemiology#System_integrity_hypothesis_vs_evolution_hypothesis
    This paper looks relevant, but I have not been able to find full text.
    A Comparison of the Intelligence and Athletic Ability of College Men
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/23267402.1937.10761836

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Torn and Frayed
    @res

    You can find the full text of that article on Z-Library.

    Replies: @res

    , @Rob
    @res

    I do not know about that paper specifically, but if you put the paper’s url, pubmed Id, or doi into [email protected]#i$-h&u&b*.(s)e, except take out all the non-letters (leave the dash and the dot) you can get the PDF of just about any paper since about 1990. It is hit or miss for older stuff. The only exception (that I have found) is The American Journal of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene, and maybe that is just old stuff, too.

    I apologize for all the crud in that address, but rumor has it a certain Copyright Holder Who Shall Not Be Named is going after forums and comment sections with links to that repository of science. Praise Be Whoever it Was Who Created That, I Forget Her Name.

    Forgot to add, libgen.ru has a fair amount of science/tech stuff. Books and papers. Decent fiction section, too. For very new books, don’t despair, just give them a couple weeks/a month.

  94. @whiskey
    Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Dr., @Morton's toes, @Buzz Mohawk, @anon, @theMann, @Nicholas Stix, @Desiderius, @Valerivs Antoninvs Pretorivs Gælicvs

    Chrome is a malicious site hoasting Malware.

    Use Brave.

  95. @Polistra
    In a related story

    https://i.ibb.co/gm3KC4P/Screenshot-20210514-214850-Chrome.jpg

    Presumably this works for assessments too? Because I'd totally be willing to slap on some blackface if it'll cut my real-estate taxes in half. I'll even cry if it'll help. No shame here.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Neoconned, @Charon

  96. I’m surprised that the different is only 16 points.

  97. @AnotherDad
    @International Jew


    I’d ask him to do long division with Roman numerals. (Ok, that would be mean, as he’s just a kid. But I did pose just that challenge once to an adult who put himself forward in public as some kind of math whiz.)
     
    The Roman numeral thing is interesting to me. I look at some of the stuff the Romans did and think "damn!". But Roman scribes had counting tables that essentially used place-value, but they did not make the transition. Which actually seems pretty easy--for example just using letters for the number words. The Chinese too. Yet we ended up with Hindu numerals.

    But then the things people figure out/don't are interesting. The Chinese did all sorts of innovation ... but use essentially a pictographic written language--never made the phonetic transition.

    One thing that dawned--too slowly--for me is just how stupid we are and how near the beginning (and perhaps the end). We are exactly as smart as we needed to be to develop the stuff we have in the time we've had--no more.


    Unfortunately, for we Westerners we don't seem to be smart enough to dismiss a lame scam like minoritarianism. So our great run looks like it's coming to an end. Sad. Very sad.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I think languages do make a difference to intellectual scope.

    Being a native speaker of English is a huge advantage as English has a vast vocabulary, a huge body of literature, and is related to many other European languages.

    Having such a huge vocabulary, English lends itself very much to creativity and punning, because there are so many words and phrases that are similar.

    Many other languages such as tribal languages have a miniscule vocabulary by comparison, so tend to lead to much more concrete thinking and less abstraction.

    Even Spanish is much simplified compared to English and has less words.

    Compare:

    Zorro Zorra Zorrito vs Fox, Vixen, Cub or
    Perro, Perra, Perrito vs Dog, Bitch, Puppy.

    Then in horses we have horse, pony, stallion, gelding, mare, filly, foal vs variations on a single word in Spanish, which is a huge difference when you consider how many other secondary meanings each of these words has in the slang and vernacular. Sick puppy, stupid bitch, silly filly, soap-opera vixen, cub Scout, sly old fox, and so on.

    Speaking of which, why don’t we just call Trans humans geldings, if we don’t care for the word eunuch?

    However, it does seem to be a particularly American thing that pressure groups want to change the language by edict, a bit like the Academie Francaise, whereas English has traditionally continued to evolve, and dictionaries report usage rather than prescribe it.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Jonathan Mason

    I just might believe your English-vs-Spanish comparison if you told me you know Spanish as well as you know English. (Do you?)

    English is a mighty fine language; I use it all the time. But its famously large vocabulary is due to scientific terms known only to specialists.

    Russian has more names for family relations. (Look it up.) I'm not going to say Russian is a richer language (I don't know it all that well) but I could find you Russians who will say that.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  98. @res
    @songbird

    Regarding Steve's comment:


    Both scores are well above national averages for their races. Why? My guess is that players’ agents help them prep for the test.
     
    I think both you and Gamecock (comment 3) are onto something.

    It seems likely to me that there are at least three effects present, but I'm not sure how to evaluate their relative importance.

    1. Test prep. There are millions of dollars at stake and the Wonderlic is a simple test.

    2. NFL draftees have (almost?) all been to college and had to at least pretend to belong there. Given the amount of AA involved, a 1 SD difference between blacks and whites and almost a 1 SD difference between collegians/draftees and the general population both seem reasonable.

    3. Your point, which sometimes goes by the fancy name "system integrity hypothesis."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_epidemiology#System_integrity_hypothesis_vs_evolution_hypothesis
    This paper looks relevant, but I have not been able to find full text.
    A Comparison of the Intelligence and Athletic Ability of College Men
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/23267402.1937.10761836

    Replies: @Torn and Frayed, @Rob

    You can find the full text of that article on Z-Library.

    • Replies: @res
    @Torn and Frayed

    Thanks to you and Rob. I was rushed when I commented before and forgot to select "Scientific Articles" when I did my LibGen search.

  99. What score do they get when they fill in the bubbles to say ‘F U Y T’

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    What score do they get when they fill in the bubbles to say ‘F U Y T’
     
    They can't think outside the bubbles!


    BTW, I have dozens of books on marketing, and the best and most useful by far instructs you to think inside the box. Instead of bitching about the limitations forced upon you, utilize them to your advantage.



    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SbIO2q6BL._SX332_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


    Applying this to politics, DC threatens us with statehood. "White supremacy" is the mortalest and cardinalest of sins at the moment.

    George Washington was more of a white supremacist than anyone alive today. Columbus was worse, accused of outright genocide. Therefore, no new state can be allowed with such unacceptable names. They'd have to change them.

    Imagine what that would do to the property values of the almost 50% of the city that is woke white.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  100. @cthulhu
    @puttheforkdown


    It has always looked like microcephaly to me.
     
    I once saw a father and mother and their microcephalic child at a pediatric neurologist’s office. The child - a boy - looked to be about six years old, and was clearly significantly impaired. Visually, the boy’s appearance was quite upsetting to me; the proportions of his head seemed to trigger a kind of “uncanny valley” effect, and I was filled with simultaneous revulsion of and immense pity for the child. His parents - both of whom were there - seemed to be ordinary people, patiently and lovingly dealing with a situation neither likely had ever anticipated. I was moved nearly to tears, by both the random, impersonal horror visited on this family, and the obvious love shared by the three of them, despite - or because of? - their situation.

    Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    A friend used to “teach” autistic and multiply-handicapped children, though she admitted that most of what she did was babysitting. She said that it was cheaper than institutionalizing them. A judge ruled that they have a “right” to fulfill their potential, so huge sums of money are squandered in a futile attempt to do more than babble a few words and feed themselves. We do the same with the low iq minorities because we that deny observable reality that they are of an innately lower iq. That would be racist.

    This same friend later went on to teach in Akron, Ohio, and remarked that in an all black high school the class valedictorian will have an iq of 85.

    I’m surprised that the iq difference is only 16 points.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel


    A friend used to “teach” autistic and multiply-handicapped children, though she admitted that most of what she did was babysitting. She said that it was cheaper than institutionalizing them. A judge ruled that they have a “right” to fulfill their potential, so huge sums of money are squandered in a futile attempt to do more than babble a few words and feed themselves. We do the same with the low iq minorities because we that deny observable reality that they are of an innately lower iq. That would be racist.
     
    These two things you describe are quite different approaches. The first treats each person as an individual and helps them to fulfill their potential. That is, imo, the good and correct approach. How much money should be spent for what return is a separate question, but at least the basic approach recognizes that different people will have different outcomes even when everyone has the best intentions and spends lots of money.

    The problem with woke take on the world is that it DOESN'T look at people as individuals and assumes that everyone has the same potential and thus any disparity in outcome is because invidious discrimination.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @res
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel


    This same friend later went on to teach in Akron, Ohio, and remarked that in an all black high school the class valedictorian will have an iq of 85.

    I’m surprised that the iq difference is only 16 points.
     
    Inner city public schools are probably a bit of a special case. I'm surprised the valedictorian IQ would be that low even so though. Perhaps being a personable hard worker is more important for grades at that level?

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel


    A friend used to “teach” autistic and multiply-handicapped children, though she admitted that most of what she did was babysitting.
     
    This is true. The Education for All Handicapped Children Act (1975) and the follow-up law Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (1990) were boondoggles that siphon much money into the Special Education Complex. For those who are bad with timelines, they were both signed by Republican presidents.

    This same friend later went on to teach in Akron, Ohio, and remarked that in an all black high school the class valedictorian will have an iq of 85.
     
    This seems difficult to believe. After all, the average is 85, so by chance some students are going to be higher. Perhaps the valedictorian doesn't have the highest IQ. This happened in my high school, where our valedictorian got a 990 on her SAT, but chose easy classes where she could get easy A's, i.e. senior year she didn't bother with math or science.
  101. But also, some positions, such quarterback, center, and middle linebacker include managing other players on the field with shouted instructions before the play begins. These shouting positions are near the center of the football field (so that all players on the team can hear), so footspeed isn’t as important. Not surprisingly, whites are more common at these spots.

    Yes. But considering that they are only ~15% of all defensive players, whites are very overrepresented at the elite ranks of defensive end and outside LB. These positions require wingspan and explosiveness, traits traditionally associated with Bantus.

    See the below list. The 2 Bosa and Watt brothers are atop the list. You can also see the ratio of whites on this list is higher that 1st round of NFL Draft, even with QBs excluded.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Top_100_Players_of_2020

    Whites (and orientals to even greater extent) tend mature later. JJ Watt was not a blue chip recruit out of high school, and will end up as probably 3 greatest defensive players ever (other 2 I would say LT and Aaron Donald by the time he retires).

    • Replies: @Cho Seung-Hui
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Hi, I'm just responding to this comment to continue the previous conversation.

    My background is complicated but I do speak those languages. Do you use Twitter?

    , @Cho Seung-Hui
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Hi, just continuing our conversation here.

    I'm of Asiatic descent but live in the West. But speak the languages as you, perhaps not as well.

    Do you live in America?

  102. Read the online book,”Negroes in Negro land”, they are only about 200 years away from their primitive cannibalistic origins.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @new Stalin

    Do you relish being ignorant?

  103. @R.G. Camara
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Nah, Carrot Top is a low-T ugly guy who got sick of being shit on in pop culture and got super-jacked to make up for it. He's like the after picture from an old Charles Atlas ad, ready to kick the bullies' asses.

    That's different from the hyper-masculine-since-teenage-hood ex-Marines and powerlifters who transition.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar

    Nah, Carrot Top is a low-T ugly guy who got sick of being shit on in pop culture and got super-jacked to make up for it. He’s like the after picture from an old Charles Atlas ad, ready to kick the bullies’ asses.

    Wally Cox did it the natural way, didn’t he? (Or did proto-steroids kill him?)

    And he didn’t feel a need to flaunt it, other than a brief flash on Mission Impossible. Milking his typecasting was worth it. Marlon Brando pined for Cox, not vice versa.

  104. @Feryl
    @songbird

    You would certainly expect bigger and stronger people to be smarter than small weak people, on average (within an ethnic group, of course). Antifa has been a fascinating study in physiognomy, somatic types, mutations, and easthetics. Antifa seem far uglier, weaker, and mentally disordered than the average person, much less a MAGA Chad. And the Pacific NW seems to draw a huge portion of nerdy and autistic people*, who then reproduce and create an even more dysgenic situation. In other parts of America, most of the dysfunction is caused by blacks and a small cadre of degenerate white liberals.

    *Does the lack of sunshine and warmth repel more athletic (e.g. healthy normies) people from settling there?

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew

    None of them are native. Historically, the White population here has leaned heavily Northern Euro. Native born NW Whites skew tall and attractive. See also the ‘Great Hobo Migration’ – only about 10% of the Seattle homeless population is from the city. The rest are miscreants from the rest of the country that are drawn to “Freeattle” where drug and vagrancy laws are not enforced. Same thing is happening in SF, LA, Vancouver BC et al.

    I live in one of the Whitest Seattle (proper) neighborhoods (literally 2% Black, many of those likely mulatto) and have noticed most of the tech workers fit a particular phenotype: thin with very little muscle mass. Imagine something between Bill Gates and a normal White guy, only thinner. It will take a while to see how their kids turn out.

    *Seattle is the northernmost and most overcast major US city. On the other hand, the annual UV is about the same as the British Isles, so Northern Euro Whites should be right at home.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Anonymous Jew

    Whoops, the pro-drug and pro-homeless culture is a good point that I some how forgot.



    None of them are native. Historically, the White population here has leaned heavily Northern Euro.

     

    That's true of every place in America outside of the Northeast and Los Angeles. BTW, years ago I read about Oregon's high poverty rate, and I also know that the region has been a haven for both Right (of the racial type, not the cultural conservative type) and Left wing extremists while also generally being very enthusiastic about assisted suicide, drug legalization, abortion, etc and this reaches back decades, so you can't blame it on recent arrivals. In fact, for many decades the West Coast as a whole has been an "experimental" region with less emphasis on tradition and community than other regions. C'mon, you've never been the Midwest or had the positive aspects of Celtic Appalachia (a region with almost zero serial killers in comparison to other parts of America).

    https://www.livescience.com/40511-most-neurotic-creative-states-revealed-in-us-personality-map.html

    The Midwest, innermost Western states, and most of the South is traditionalist, the Northeast and Texas is grumpy, and most of the Western states are flaky.


    *Seattle is the northernmost and most overcast major US city. On the other hand, the annual UV is about the same as the British Isles, so Northern Euro Whites should be right at home
     
    .

    But Americans have many different climates to choose from within the country. In the entirety of NW Europe, the weather is pretty crappy except for a decent amount of sunny, dry, and warm weather in the summer. Colorado, for example, is much fitter than Alabama even when just looking at the white populations of each state. Hot and humid places tend to be unhealthy, but the sometimes gloomy and often clammy Northeast doesnt do much better. The Western states, which are drier and sunnier tend to be quite a bit healthier. Rain, gloom, and moist heat keep people inside. And the Pac NW is gloomier and clammier than the rest of the Western US.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  105. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    What score do they get when they fill in the bubbles to say ‘F U Y T’

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    What score do they get when they fill in the bubbles to say ‘F U Y T’

    They can’t think outside the bubbles!

    BTW, I have dozens of books on marketing, and the best and most useful by far instructs you to think inside the box. Instead of bitching about the limitations forced upon you, utilize them to your advantage.

    Applying this to politics, DC threatens us with statehood. “White supremacy” is the mortalest and cardinalest of sins at the moment.

    George Washington was more of a white supremacist than anyone alive today. Columbus was worse, accused of outright genocide. Therefore, no new state can be allowed with such unacceptable names. They’d have to change them.

    Imagine what that would do to the property values of the almost 50% of the city that is woke white.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, Washington DC could get a makeover. Just change a few letters from Washington to Washanda to make less work for sign painters.

    Pennsylvania Avenue could be renamed King Concourse.

    And Foggy Bottom to Smokey Bare Bottom.

  106. Finally, smart guys are less likely to do things so dumb that even star football players have their pro prospects ruined in high school or college, like shoot somebody who dissed them at a block party.

    I wonder how much Black athletic talent has been lost due to filtering these people out. Serious question.

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @Anonymous Jew


    I wonder how much Black athletic talent has been lost due to filtering these people out. Serious question.
     
    Six members of the 1988 Dallas Carter football team that defeated Odessa Permian in Friday Night Lights, most of whom had signed football Letters of Intent with colleges, went on a month long armed robbery spree and ended up in prison. IIRC, only one played college ball after getting out of prison, and he was on the team at Texas Southern for two years.

    Three football players at Texas Tech were arrested for burglary and illegal firearms sales (the safe they had stolen from a drug dealer’s home was filled with guns, not cash). After adjudication none went to prison but were kicked out of school. One, Dakota Allen, attended a JC in Mississippi for a year. While there he became a Christian. After that he was readmitted at Tech and is now in the NFL. Another of the three (a Hispanic) plays in the Arena Football League.

    For three years I was the director of a halfway house for juvenile delinquents. Several of the boys played football, soccer, or basketball at the high school the guys attended. I thought one of them had at least small college potential in either football or basketball but his criminal ways prevented that.

    Far too many of these guys fit the adage, “Body by Fisher, mind by Mattel.”
  107. @Jim Doe
    Their position of assuming blacks and whites have the same IQ for this purpose, does not even make sense regardless of the cause of the lower black IQ.This includes black scores only being lower because of environmental and or test bias reasons. As you are only looking for large decline in score against a norm not at the absolute value.

    Or so the AP article accidentally implies that San Diego military blacks are lower IQ than regular blacks. "The small sample group of Blacks Heaton chose to create his adjustment protocol came entirely from San Diego, a military town where the Black population hardly reflected the diversity of Blacks across the U.S."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William Badwhite, @Alden

    The small sample group of Blacks Heaton chose to create his adjustment protocol came entirely from San Diego, a military town where the Black population hardly reflected the diversity of Blacks across the U.S.”

    The military has minimums for intelligence (they use an IQ-like test to screen recruits) and also generally will not take people with criminal records.

    Thus its likely that blacks in San Diego – being either in the Navy/Marines or children of people in the Navy/Marines – would have higher IQ’s than the average US black.

  108. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    What score do they get when they fill in the bubbles to say ‘F U Y T’
     
    They can't think outside the bubbles!


    BTW, I have dozens of books on marketing, and the best and most useful by far instructs you to think inside the box. Instead of bitching about the limitations forced upon you, utilize them to your advantage.



    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SbIO2q6BL._SX332_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


    Applying this to politics, DC threatens us with statehood. "White supremacy" is the mortalest and cardinalest of sins at the moment.

    George Washington was more of a white supremacist than anyone alive today. Columbus was worse, accused of outright genocide. Therefore, no new state can be allowed with such unacceptable names. They'd have to change them.

    Imagine what that would do to the property values of the almost 50% of the city that is woke white.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Yes, Washington DC could get a makeover. Just change a few letters from Washington to Washanda to make less work for sign painters.

    Pennsylvania Avenue could be renamed King Concourse.

    And Foggy Bottom to Smokey Bare Bottom.

  109. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:

    I would imagine part of the reason the white NFL draftee average IQ is on the higher side is because white NFL players are concentrated in the more cognitively demanding positions: QB obviously, but also offensive linemen (who need to know the plays well) and special teams (kickers, punters, who are highly technique focused).

  110. Anonymous[701] • Disclaimer says:

    “Report: Players with low Wonderlic scores are more likely to be arrested”

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/12/report-players-with-low-wonderlic-scores-are-more-likely-to-be-arrested/

    The Wonderlic intelligence test that has long been part of the NFL’s pre-draft screening process is mocked by many as irrelevant to a player’s football playing ability. But one group of researchers says the Wonderlic can be valuable in predicting how a player will fare off the field.

    A paper published this month in the American Journal of Applied Psychology found that there’s a correlation between a player’s Wonderlic score and his likelihood of being arrested during his time in the NFL.

    “The effects are relatively small,” author Brian Hoffman, a professor at Georgia, told ESPN. “But it’s important here because when making multimillion-dollar decisions, a small effect can be very meaningful. A player’s getting a four-game suspension can be a big deal, competitively and financially.”

    The study also found that a player who was arrested before the draft is almost twice as likely to be arrested during his NFL career as a player who had not been arrested before the draft. That makes sense, and it’s no surprise that many teams will move a player down or off their draft boards if he’s arrested. But the Wonderlic result is more surprising, and suggests that teams may have legitimate reasons to continue using the much-derided test.

  111. I’m not surprised the draftees have higher IQs than the average of their respective races. It was always a lie that jocks were dumb. Being a high-level athlete requires a lot of discipline and planning, and truly stupid people tend to be incapable of either. Athletes generally aren’t geniuses but they are above average, and this data corroborates that.

    We only believe jocks are stupid thanks to decades of Hollywood propaganda.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @S. Anonyia

    Nobody believes that jocks are stupid anymore - they’re too well dressed. On a related note if Biden is really a 6 at his age no way his IQ is south of 125.

    , @Morton's toes
    @S. Anonyia

    Apparently it has been a far longer time since you were in school than I.

    Star athletes generally do not study at all.

    1. they don't have to and
    2. they don't have time.

    There is a finite amount of will power in the well. If you bust your ass lifting weights and running gassers you are done for the day.

    , @joe_mama
    @S. Anonyia

    It's part of the lie society teaches in the name of fairness. You're a nerd or a jock. You have brains or you have brawn.

    Reality of course is that some get both and are just great genetic specimens. Some get neither.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfkJ-4iU25A

  112. White males screened out of other professions increasing NFL supply:

  113. @Desiderius
    In other news whites on the way to counting 4/5ths of a person.

    https://twitter.com/theammind/status/1393300650126036992?s=20

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    OT:

    In other news whites on the way to counting 4/5ths of a person.

    Rather than foul play, it is more likely that Americans really did underestimate how many until-then uncounted immigrants there were in the blue states immigrants now typically flock to.

    [MORE]

    Personally, I still think we are far, far underestimating and undercounting how many of those people there are in our country. Probably tens of millions are still uncounted, many of them illegally here and under the radar.

    Don’t worry though, it is becoming easier for them to vote, so they will soon have the franchise if they don’t already. Remember: No Human Is Illegal. You’re neighbors know. They bought the sign, and they want to make sure you cannot question the platitudes they feel perfectly comfortable shoving down your throat.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Buzz Mohawk

    There were four or five of those around (the usual one uses Arabic and Swahili or something).

    No more.

  114. Rob says:
    @res
    @songbird

    Regarding Steve's comment:


    Both scores are well above national averages for their races. Why? My guess is that players’ agents help them prep for the test.
     
    I think both you and Gamecock (comment 3) are onto something.

    It seems likely to me that there are at least three effects present, but I'm not sure how to evaluate their relative importance.

    1. Test prep. There are millions of dollars at stake and the Wonderlic is a simple test.

    2. NFL draftees have (almost?) all been to college and had to at least pretend to belong there. Given the amount of AA involved, a 1 SD difference between blacks and whites and almost a 1 SD difference between collegians/draftees and the general population both seem reasonable.

    3. Your point, which sometimes goes by the fancy name "system integrity hypothesis."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_epidemiology#System_integrity_hypothesis_vs_evolution_hypothesis
    This paper looks relevant, but I have not been able to find full text.
    A Comparison of the Intelligence and Athletic Ability of College Men
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/23267402.1937.10761836

    Replies: @Torn and Frayed, @Rob

    I do not know about that paper specifically, but if you put the paper’s url, pubmed Id, or doi into [email protected]#i$-h&u&b*.(s)e, except take out all the non-letters (leave the dash and the dot) you can get the PDF of just about any paper since about 1990. It is hit or miss for older stuff. The only exception (that I have found) is The American Journal of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene, and maybe that is just old stuff, too.

    I apologize for all the crud in that address, but rumor has it a certain Copyright Holder Who Shall Not Be Named is going after forums and comment sections with links to that repository of science. Praise Be Whoever it Was Who Created That, I Forget Her Name.

    Forgot to add, libgen.ru has a fair amount of science/tech stuff. Books and papers. Decent fiction section, too. For very new books, don’t despair, just give them a couple weeks/a month.

  115. @Anon55uu
    @anon

    Aaron Rodgers went to berkeley via Community college. Bit of an isteve fact.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Unladen Swallow

    There are terms for all of the routes that college football players follow. There is green shirting where a student graduates high school in December at the end of the high school football season that then enrolls in the University for the spring semester in order to go through spring training.

    There is gray shirting where a football player wants to go to school that has a returning starter for the same position. The player either transfers to a private academy (ex, Fort Union Military Academy), plays another year of high school football and then green shrits. The player can go to junior college to follow the same path.

    There is the traditional red shirt where a player does not play for year but works out with the team and is on scholarship. Since a FBS school is limited to 85 scholarships, there is a limit on the red shirts. Also, since a school is limited to 85 football scholarship, anyone who talks about players keeping their scholarship after being injured and leaving the team does not know what they are talking about.

    There is now the transfer portal where players can transfer after playing a limited number of games and play the next year rather than sitting out a year. This has created free agency in college football players who keep jumping from one school to another in hopes of looking better for the pros. Some programs survive by getting transfer who had their scholarships pulled by big time programs.

  116. @Dr. DoomNGloom
    I'd like to see the replication package for that study. I'm always skeptical when the author leads with p value. I'd rather see uncertainty in the effect size. The world is catching up with Paul Meehl's critique and computing power has made reliance on the easily computed p-value an historical artifact.

    As for intelligence, Spearman championed the IQ as a single latent factor, composed from a set of manifest (measured) subfactors. But the subfactors matter (as Flynn effect seems to show). QB success depends on both slow thinking (read a defense alignment) and fast thinking (finding open receiver) after the snap. Moreover, play depends on the ability to visualize how the play will develop. As Gretzky said, don't skate to where the puck is, skate to where it's going to be. IQ tests are mostly static, so if this is a distinct subfactor, I doubt they measure it.

    Replies: @Guest007

    The P-value is the uncertainty, or did you mean an uncertainty interval which is nothing more than a P-value looked up in a table rather than calculated.

  117. Uhhhh interesting.

    There’s a reason that Roger Penrose (physics) and Michael Houghton (physiology) won Nobel prizes as opposed to Heisman Trophies.

  118. Jon says:

    OT (but is anything really OT in clown world):
    There has been a rash of cops getting away with murdering blacks in this country, and then blaming it on sickle cell anemia.

    The New York Times has found at least 46 other instances over the past 25 years in which medical examiners, law enforcement officials or defenders of accused officers pointed to the trait as a cause or major factor in deaths of Black people in custody. Fifteen such deaths have occurred since 2015.

    Yes, you read that right, the death toll approaches, but doesn’t quite reach, 50 in just one quarter of a century. Oh, the humanity!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/15/us/african-americans-sickle-cell-police.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    • Replies: @Jon
    @Jon

    Replying to my own post, it's probably worth pointing out that the 46 cases includes 'defenders', meaning even cops who unsuccesfully tried to blame a murder charge on sickle cell. Derek Chauvin, who is probably going to spend the rest of his life in orison, is one of the 46 cases that is specifically mentioned in the article. How many of the 46 cases actually involve someone getting away with murder? That answer would require actual journalism.

  119. @R.G. Camara
    @Unladen Swallow

    Young also had a terrible time dealing with pressure.

    I do think IQ was definitely a factor. Young was never cerebral as a QB, and always relied on his men-among-boys athleticism in college to deliver victories, but this failed in the NFL he was no more athletic than the next guy .

    However, Young, like many blacks, is highly emotional and sensitive to what others are saying about him. In the very-positive UT environment he thrived, because the cheers for him would carry him, and his team was so good he would almost always be winning even if he himself was having an off-game.

    But in the NFL his team wasn't world-beating, and the pro fans were not going to coddle him as a fellow student. So when he heard the boo birds, he got very low, and he was unable to climb out of the funk and get better or else shrug it off.

    I remember exactly when I knew Young wasn't long for the NFL. After the boo birds came out in Tennessee, his own mother was quoted in the sports mags as asking the fans to be nicer and lay off her son. If a mom feels the need to protect her adult kid publicly from normal NFL criticism, then the kid is definitely too fragile for the league.

    Incidentally, as our society has clamped down on any criticism or negativity towards black, it has only increased their emotional highs and made them more susceptible to weakness when low. In the past, if a black was ... not extolled from birth, they would develop some toughness around their emotions. But American society's coddling of blacks' emotions has made them extremely weak in the face of adversity ---a 1970s player in football would psychologically destroy a 2021 black football player.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @James Forrestal

    Young also had a terrible time dealing with pressure.

    Though if that 6 was legit, that alone would make it pretty tough as an NFL quarterback. But 16 should be doable, if perhaps not a star. Compare to Vinny Testaverde – always known as a guy with incredible athleticism but not the sharpest tool in the shed — who scored 17 on the Wonderlic. And he got a lot of s–t from everyone from fans, to the press, to Gene Upshaw on a hot mike

    Never seemed to faze him — he’d just go out there and throw another interception… But seriously, he lasted 21 years.

    Frank Ryan (QB for the Browns back in the 60s who got his math PhD while in the NFL) was kind of the other extreme:
    https://vault.si.com/vault/1965/09/27/dr-ryan-of-the-browns-how-smart-is-too-smart

  120. Jon says:
    @Jon
    OT (but is anything really OT in clown world):
    There has been a rash of cops getting away with murdering blacks in this country, and then blaming it on sickle cell anemia.

    The New York Times has found at least 46 other instances over the past 25 years in which medical examiners, law enforcement officials or defenders of accused officers pointed to the trait as a cause or major factor in deaths of Black people in custody. Fifteen such deaths have occurred since 2015.
     
    Yes, you read that right, the death toll approaches, but doesn't quite reach, 50 in just one quarter of a century. Oh, the humanity!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/15/us/african-americans-sickle-cell-police.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    Replies: @Jon

    Replying to my own post, it’s probably worth pointing out that the 46 cases includes ‘defenders’, meaning even cops who unsuccesfully tried to blame a murder charge on sickle cell. Derek Chauvin, who is probably going to spend the rest of his life in orison, is one of the 46 cases that is specifically mentioned in the article. How many of the 46 cases actually involve someone getting away with murder? That answer would require actual journalism.

  121. That’s racist, Steve.

    Those white guys will probably be shooting up black doctors and their families due to CTE after their careers are over, anyway.

  122. @TruthRevolution.net
    The truth about racist facts is totally taboo. In this unreal fantasy world, lots of crazy false conclusions happen.

    From false follows false is a law of mathematical logic

    So we are lucky that not 100% of Blacks get payout for being below a certain IQ

    Everything false can be derived from one false premise (f ⇒ f)
    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/

    From one false premise (false dogma, false belief) everything false follows. In mathematics, from the false assumption (a) that 1+1= 3 other false math follows (like 3+5=17342)

    f ⇒ f From one false assumption everything else can be deduced as true, mathematical logic tells us1. Thus Sincerity.net demands “zero tolerance” for dishonesty. We demand “zero tolerance” for anything that misleads people into potentially false beliefs

    Replies: @Polemos, @Deckin

    You seem confused. It’s no law of mathematical logic or anything else that ‘From one false premise…everything else follows.’

    E.g.,

    Premise: Anchorage is the capital of Alaska (F)
    Conclusion: Tucson is the capital of Arizona (T)

    The conclusion doesn’t follow from the premise at all. You appear to be conflating false with ‘contradiction‘ or ‘necessarily false‘. Do the replacement and you’re correct–without it, just wrong.

    ‘1+1=3’ isn’t just false, it’s necessarily false; ‘Biden won a fair election’ is false. Big difference.

  123. @Ben tillman
    @Gamecock

    Ah, yes, the glory days of Carolina football!

    Don’t forget that your running back had to satisfy the requirements of the 800 Rule.

    Replies: @David In TN

    In 1970 South Carolina was an all-white team with a 4-6-1 record. They played Tennessee that November and lost on a last-second field goal. Tennessee finished 11-1, ranked No. 4 in the final poll.

    In a book on Tennessee football, their 1970 captain said they had a hard time with South Carolina due to the Gamecocks’ 260-70 pound offensive linemen. Around 1970 was when lineman of this size starting coming into college football.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @David In TN

    Rumor has it that South Carolina created an entire major just for their star black, and future Heisman trophy winning, running back so that he could stay academically eligible for football.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Ben tillman
    @David In TN

    Sure, but they beat Clemson for the third straight year in 1970, and in 1969 they won the ACC with a 6-0 conference record.

  124. @joe862
    @Adam Grant

    IQ measurement certainly has value but you can't possibly think that it's the primary indicator of success in football. Physical and temperamental characteristics must play a huge role. I'd think an IQ of 114 is plenty adequate for a person to be an elite football player if they have the necessary physical and temperamental qualities. He's about 3 standard deviations taller than average. 1 standard deviation smarter. He's probably 3 standard deviations more able to maintain interest in something as inherently pointless as football than the average guy is.

    Replies: @Truth

    He’s probably 3 standard deviations more able to maintain interest in something as inherently pointless as football than the average guy is.

    Are you sure a football career would be “pointless” to the average guy?

    https://www.wealthygenius.com/colin-kaepernick-net-worth/

    • Replies: @joe862
    @Truth

    The average guy would've retired far earlier.

  125. @unwoke
    "The authors treat Wonderlic scores as a noisy signal of a player’s adaptability to the NFL game that may be more informative for White players than it is for Black players. The authors find that Wonderlic scores are important in explaining relative draft position for quarterbacks, offensive linemen, and tight ends"

    A very noisy signal indeed. The GOAT, T. Brady scored a respectable 33 on the Wonderlic but Ryan Fitzpatrick who's never been near a Superbowl (at least in uniform) had a super 48 score. Terry Bradshaw, runner-up, with four Superbowl victories scored a lackluster 15 on Wonderlic, as did Jim Kelly, who went to four straight Superbowls & somehow managed to lose them all. Phil Simms, who picked up a couple of SB rings did even worse with a woeful score of only 10. But Eli Manning, the only QB to beat Brady twice in SB's had a more impressive 39. Eli's better known big brother Peyton got a 28. Donovan McNabb, another SB QB had a 12 score even though he couldn't beat #12 in the big game. Celebrity QB Tim Tebow eeked out a 22 score. And record-holding QB, Dan Marino clocked a 15. Jewish QB's, Sage Rosenfels & Rex Grossman & Josh Rosen had middling scores at 32 & 29 & 29 respectively. And highest paid player Mahomes was at 24. Interestingly, black tight end & former Patriots star & anti-abortion activist Ben Watson was also able to put up a 48 score, although most of the rest of the high scorers are white; including ex-BC linebacker Mike Mamula at 49. So the NFL can probably make a case for 'race-norming'; although the wonder of it is that they're willing to even try, in today's overheated cancel culture.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    unwoke, thank you for an interesting comment and how does Jim Kelly rate induction into the NFL HoF? And he is a knucklehead.

  126. @Anon55uu
    @anon

    Aaron Rodgers went to berkeley via Community college. Bit of an isteve fact.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Unladen Swallow

    However that is thing that is very prevalent in California, players going to community college football programs because they are feeder programs for universities like Stanford, USC, UCLA, and Cal. Often they go because they can play football right away, impress the big boys and move up after two years and start.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Unladen Swallow

    One of those California products who went to a junior college to play football was a fellow named O.J. Simpson. USC was impressed enough to take him.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @AceDeuce, @Unladen Swallow

  127. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Desiderius

    OT:


    In other news whites on the way to counting 4/5ths of a person.
     
    Rather than foul play, it is more likely that Americans really did underestimate how many until-then uncounted immigrants there were in the blue states immigrants now typically flock to.

    Personally, I still think we are far, far underestimating and undercounting how many of those people there are in our country. Probably tens of millions are still uncounted, many of them illegally here and under the radar.

    Don't worry though, it is becoming easier for them to vote, so they will soon have the franchise if they don't already. Remember: No Human Is Illegal. You're neighbors know. They bought the sign, and they want to make sure you cannot question the platitudes they feel perfectly comfortable shoving down your throat.


    https://www.vispronet.com/design_tool/data/cscart_files/images/thumbnails/1143/1000/detailed/19/YardSign-KindnessIsEverything_y9fu-w7.jpg

    Replies: @Desiderius

    There were four or five of those around (the usual one uses Arabic and Swahili or something).

    No more.

  128. @S. Anonyia
    I’m not surprised the draftees have higher IQs than the average of their respective races. It was always a lie that jocks were dumb. Being a high-level athlete requires a lot of discipline and planning, and truly stupid people tend to be incapable of either. Athletes generally aren’t geniuses but they are above average, and this data corroborates that.

    We only believe jocks are stupid thanks to decades of Hollywood propaganda.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Morton's toes, @joe_mama

    Nobody believes that jocks are stupid anymore – they’re too well dressed. On a related note if Biden is really a 6 at his age no way his IQ is south of 125.

  129. @Jim Doe
    Their position of assuming blacks and whites have the same IQ for this purpose, does not even make sense regardless of the cause of the lower black IQ.This includes black scores only being lower because of environmental and or test bias reasons. As you are only looking for large decline in score against a norm not at the absolute value.

    Or so the AP article accidentally implies that San Diego military blacks are lower IQ than regular blacks. "The small sample group of Blacks Heaton chose to create his adjustment protocol came entirely from San Diego, a military town where the Black population hardly reflected the diversity of Blacks across the U.S."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William Badwhite, @Alden

    Judging by the black men coming and going from the near by veterans hospital, black military are the dregs of the black population.

  130. vhrm says:
    @Guest007
    White receivers are always described as being able to run good routes and having great hands. Why? Because a white receiver that does not run good routes and have great run does not last on the team. Black receivers have the advantage of being faster, more physical, and being better at yards after catch.

    Replies: @vhrm, @Feryl

    White receivers are always described as being able to run good routes and having great hands. Why? Because a white receiver that does not run good routes and have great run does not last on the team. Black receivers have the advantage of being faster, more physical, and being better at yards after catch.

    (if true) That’s a great example of how survivorship bias (or selection bias in general) can mess up the interpretation of an observed relationship.

  131. “…one reason that Kaepernick is such a famous figure is because of his high IQ…”

    Yeah. His high IQ and his incessant whining. But mostly his incessant whining.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Wade Hampton

    Kaepernick was smart enough to realize that being a well-paid "activist" was a much a better gig than riding the bench after his inability to read defenses was exposed after 3-4 years as a starter, with occasional forays onto the field where his knees and brain would get further shredded.

  132. vhrm says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @cthulhu

    A friend used to "teach" autistic and multiply-handicapped children, though she admitted that most of what she did was babysitting. She said that it was cheaper than institutionalizing them. A judge ruled that they have a "right" to fulfill their potential, so huge sums of money are squandered in a futile attempt to do more than babble a few words and feed themselves. We do the same with the low iq minorities because we that deny observable reality that they are of an innately lower iq. That would be racist.

    This same friend later went on to teach in Akron, Ohio, and remarked that in an all black high school the class valedictorian will have an iq of 85.

    I'm surprised that the iq difference is only 16 points.

    Replies: @vhrm, @res, @ScarletNumber

    A friend used to “teach” autistic and multiply-handicapped children, though she admitted that most of what she did was babysitting. She said that it was cheaper than institutionalizing them. A judge ruled that they have a “right” to fulfill their potential, so huge sums of money are squandered in a futile attempt to do more than babble a few words and feed themselves. We do the same with the low iq minorities because we that deny observable reality that they are of an innately lower iq. That would be racist.

    These two things you describe are quite different approaches. The first treats each person as an individual and helps them to fulfill their potential. That is, imo, the good and correct approach. How much money should be spent for what return is a separate question, but at least the basic approach recognizes that different people will have different outcomes even when everyone has the best intentions and spends lots of money.

    The problem with woke take on the world is that it DOESN’T look at people as individuals and assumes that everyone has the same potential and thus any disparity in outcome is because invidious discrimination.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @vhrm

    In practice they’ve both been a disaster. Authorities take their eye off of the highest priorities because they’re afraid they’re not up to the job.

  133. @theMann
    @whiskey

    Don't use Google products. Seriously.

    DuckDuckGo and Bing will do if you must search, and it is very interesting to compare their results to Google's. I use Yandex if I really have to dig, but I also read Russian okish enough to use Yandex if I really have to dig. But understand there is no place you search that you won't get tagged for searching there.


    If you are uncomfortable using a decent open source product like Firefox, then maybe try Brave or Opera. But don't use Chrome or any other Google product. Seriously.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I agree on google.

    My go to search engine is currently Swiss Cows. They’re rolling out a suite of high privacy, Swiss based services. Didn’t I see somewhere something about Firefox’s Israeli based servers?

  134. @Steve Sailer
    @Jim Doe

    San Diego blacks are probably like Honolulu blacks: pretty smart.

    Replies: @Jim Doe

    I agree, not sure if the journalist thinks people in the military are dumb or does not realize that the norming sample being to smart helps black get more money.

  135. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    But also, some positions, such quarterback, center, and middle linebacker include managing other players on the field with shouted instructions before the play begins. These shouting positions are near the center of the football field (so that all players on the team can hear), so footspeed isn’t as important. Not surprisingly, whites are more common at these spots.

     

    Yes. But considering that they are only ~15% of all defensive players, whites are very overrepresented at the elite ranks of defensive end and outside LB. These positions require wingspan and explosiveness, traits traditionally associated with Bantus.

    See the below list. The 2 Bosa and Watt brothers are atop the list. You can also see the ratio of whites on this list is higher that 1st round of NFL Draft, even with QBs excluded.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Top_100_Players_of_2020

    Whites (and orientals to even greater extent) tend mature later. JJ Watt was not a blue chip recruit out of high school, and will end up as probably 3 greatest defensive players ever (other 2 I would say LT and Aaron Donald by the time he retires).

    Replies: @Cho Seung-Hui, @Cho Seung-Hui

    Hi, I’m just responding to this comment to continue the previous conversation.

    My background is complicated but I do speak those languages. Do you use Twitter?

  136. @Jon

    The practice, which went unnoticed until 2018, has made it harder for Black former players to get awards.
     
    Has it? I read the article, I didn't find anything to suggest the White players were actually getting paid out disproportionately because of the race norming.

    Also, if they end race norming, and use the higher White standard for all, how many players will qualify based of their initial Wonderlic from their combine tryout? Now that's Equity!

    Replies: @Mikeja

    I suspect there’s absolutely no ‘race-norming’. They want the comparison to early wonderlic scores dropped because that’ll mean more money for black players. Anything standing in the way has got to be racist so they made up a racisty name for it

  137. @David In TN
    @Ben tillman

    In 1970 South Carolina was an all-white team with a 4-6-1 record. They played Tennessee that November and lost on a last-second field goal. Tennessee finished 11-1, ranked No. 4 in the final poll.

    In a book on Tennessee football, their 1970 captain said they had a hard time with South Carolina due to the Gamecocks' 260-70 pound offensive linemen. Around 1970 was when lineman of this size starting coming into college football.

    Replies: @Anon, @Ben tillman

    Rumor has it that South Carolina created an entire major just for their star black, and future Heisman trophy winning, running back so that he could stay academically eligible for football.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Anon

    George Rogers came to South Carolina in 1977. He was, according to an interview I saw, intimidated by Bear Bryant so he didn't go to Alabama. Rogers was going to Tennessee, but changed his mind when the Tennessee coaching staff was fired and replaced by Johnny Majors.

    He went to South Carolina because the coach, Jim Carlen, was the type to constantly encourage and pat him on the back.

    It's quite possible South Carolina created a major just for George Rogers.

    , @Ben tillman
    @Anon

    Surely, I would have heard that at the time if it were true. Perhaps I’ve just forgotten because all the HershelKKK stuff was so much more interesting.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    Rumor has it that South Carolina created an entire major just for their star black, and future Heisman trophy winning, running back so that he could stay academically eligible for football.
     
    A teacher told his class back in the '70s of a player at Syracuse whose major was punting. Though it probably had a more formal designation. "Phys Ed with a concentration in instep performance", or something.
  138. @new Stalin
    Read the online book,"Negroes in Negro land", they are only about 200 years away from their primitive cannibalistic origins.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Do you relish being ignorant?

  139. @vhrm
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel


    A friend used to “teach” autistic and multiply-handicapped children, though she admitted that most of what she did was babysitting. She said that it was cheaper than institutionalizing them. A judge ruled that they have a “right” to fulfill their potential, so huge sums of money are squandered in a futile attempt to do more than babble a few words and feed themselves. We do the same with the low iq minorities because we that deny observable reality that they are of an innately lower iq. That would be racist.
     
    These two things you describe are quite different approaches. The first treats each person as an individual and helps them to fulfill their potential. That is, imo, the good and correct approach. How much money should be spent for what return is a separate question, but at least the basic approach recognizes that different people will have different outcomes even when everyone has the best intentions and spends lots of money.

    The problem with woke take on the world is that it DOESN'T look at people as individuals and assumes that everyone has the same potential and thus any disparity in outcome is because invidious discrimination.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    In practice they’ve both been a disaster. Authorities take their eye off of the highest priorities because they’re afraid they’re not up to the job.

  140. 19th Amendment won’t last the decade.

  141. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    But also, some positions, such quarterback, center, and middle linebacker include managing other players on the field with shouted instructions before the play begins. These shouting positions are near the center of the football field (so that all players on the team can hear), so footspeed isn’t as important. Not surprisingly, whites are more common at these spots.

     

    Yes. But considering that they are only ~15% of all defensive players, whites are very overrepresented at the elite ranks of defensive end and outside LB. These positions require wingspan and explosiveness, traits traditionally associated with Bantus.

    See the below list. The 2 Bosa and Watt brothers are atop the list. You can also see the ratio of whites on this list is higher that 1st round of NFL Draft, even with QBs excluded.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Top_100_Players_of_2020

    Whites (and orientals to even greater extent) tend mature later. JJ Watt was not a blue chip recruit out of high school, and will end up as probably 3 greatest defensive players ever (other 2 I would say LT and Aaron Donald by the time he retires).

    Replies: @Cho Seung-Hui, @Cho Seung-Hui

    Hi, just continuing our conversation here.

    I’m of Asiatic descent but live in the West. But speak the languages as you, perhaps not as well.

    Do you live in America?

  142. @Unladen Swallow
    @Anon55uu

    However that is thing that is very prevalent in California, players going to community college football programs because they are feeder programs for universities like Stanford, USC, UCLA, and Cal. Often they go because they can play football right away, impress the big boys and move up after two years and start.

    Replies: @David In TN

    One of those California products who went to a junior college to play football was a fellow named O.J. Simpson. USC was impressed enough to take him.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @David In TN

    Frank Gifford did this as well, attending Bakersfield Junior College for a year. While not an athlete, Pete Rozelle started at Compton Junior College.

    , @AceDeuce
    @David In TN

    Yes indeed. Young Orenthal was an All-City HS player, but had a fairly extensive (and rather serious) juvie record, and very bad grades, even by the low bar that was set for star negro affletes. (He never did graduate from USC, BTW).

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @David In TN

    Also Jason Sehorn, who Steve has pointed out was the last starting white CB in the NFL.

    Replies: @Feryl

  143. @Anon
    @David In TN

    Rumor has it that South Carolina created an entire major just for their star black, and future Heisman trophy winning, running back so that he could stay academically eligible for football.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar

    George Rogers came to South Carolina in 1977. He was, according to an interview I saw, intimidated by Bear Bryant so he didn’t go to Alabama. Rogers was going to Tennessee, but changed his mind when the Tennessee coaching staff was fired and replaced by Johnny Majors.

    He went to South Carolina because the coach, Jim Carlen, was the type to constantly encourage and pat him on the back.

    It’s quite possible South Carolina created a major just for George Rogers.

  144. @Anon
    @David In TN

    Rumor has it that South Carolina created an entire major just for their star black, and future Heisman trophy winning, running back so that he could stay academically eligible for football.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar

    Surely, I would have heard that at the time if it were true. Perhaps I’ve just forgotten because all the HershelKKK stuff was so much more interesting.

  145. @whiskey
    Steve, unz.com is being blocked by Chrome and Chromium as a malicious site hosting malware. Just so you know.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Dr., @Morton's toes, @Buzz Mohawk, @anon, @theMann, @Nicholas Stix, @Desiderius, @Valerivs Antoninvs Pretorivs Gælicvs

    Use Brave or Vivaldi browsers instead, both are Chrome-based, but they’re indeéndent from Jewgle.

  146. @S. Anonyia
    I’m not surprised the draftees have higher IQs than the average of their respective races. It was always a lie that jocks were dumb. Being a high-level athlete requires a lot of discipline and planning, and truly stupid people tend to be incapable of either. Athletes generally aren’t geniuses but they are above average, and this data corroborates that.

    We only believe jocks are stupid thanks to decades of Hollywood propaganda.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Morton's toes, @joe_mama

    Apparently it has been a far longer time since you were in school than I.

    Star athletes generally do not study at all.

    1. they don’t have to and
    2. they don’t have time.

    There is a finite amount of will power in the well. If you bust your ass lifting weights and running gassers you are done for the day.

  147. @MC
    Surprisingly, Peyton Manning, whose most famous attribute as a quarterback was seemingly moving players on both teams around the field to where he wanted them to be with just his brain, only got a 28 on the Wonderlic. He also only scored 1030 on the SAT. Just from observing the guy interact with other people, along with how he played the game, those scores seem artificially low.

    A friend of mine opined that maybe he just didn't bother studying for either test because he was obviously going to go wherever he wanted for college/be drafted No. 1. I have a pet theory that he tanked both tests because he didn't want to be pigeonholed as the "smart" (read: difficult) quarterback.

    Replies: @res, @ScarletNumber

    That sounds like spatial ability. Which the SAT does not really test for.
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/recognizing-spatial-intel/

    • Replies: @MC
    @res

    That could be part of it, but I'm guessing most athletes have higher than average spatial intelligence.

    It doesn't account for the fact that he's also a lot better than most athletes at hosting SNL, for example.

    Replies: @res

  148. @Torn and Frayed
    @res

    You can find the full text of that article on Z-Library.

    Replies: @res

    Thanks to you and Rob. I was rushed when I commented before and forgot to select “Scientific Articles” when I did my LibGen search.

  149. res says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @cthulhu

    A friend used to "teach" autistic and multiply-handicapped children, though she admitted that most of what she did was babysitting. She said that it was cheaper than institutionalizing them. A judge ruled that they have a "right" to fulfill their potential, so huge sums of money are squandered in a futile attempt to do more than babble a few words and feed themselves. We do the same with the low iq minorities because we that deny observable reality that they are of an innately lower iq. That would be racist.

    This same friend later went on to teach in Akron, Ohio, and remarked that in an all black high school the class valedictorian will have an iq of 85.

    I'm surprised that the iq difference is only 16 points.

    Replies: @vhrm, @res, @ScarletNumber

    This same friend later went on to teach in Akron, Ohio, and remarked that in an all black high school the class valedictorian will have an iq of 85.

    I’m surprised that the iq difference is only 16 points.

    Inner city public schools are probably a bit of a special case. I’m surprised the valedictorian IQ would be that low even so though. Perhaps being a personable hard worker is more important for grades at that level?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @res


    Perhaps being a personable hard worker is more important for grades at that level?
     
    Considering what zoos those schools must be like, I'm sure just not being an asshole is worth a lot to teachers.
  150. @Polemos
    @TruthRevolution.net

    How do Gettier counterexamples fit into this?

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain

    How did Gettier cases fit into the conquest of North America by Europeans? They didn’t…because of the irrelevancy outside of a philosophy graduate seminar on the philosophy of justified true belief. It’s the same thing with IQ test score psychometrics:irrelevant to the problem that Working Class Native Born White Americans now have to deal with….the philosophically inclined now require that Working Class White Folks master the finer details of IQ test score psychometrics and……63 years of counter examples to counter examples to Edmund Gettier….holy shit, their fucking brains will explode while the demographic transformation of America proceeds apace. WE ARE NOT BRAINS IN A VAT!!!

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Would the late Gian Carlo Rota have given a flying fuck about the Gettier problem? When you consider the fact that Gian Carlo Rota almost got the whole MIT Philosophy Department fired....I think not....

  151. @Anon
    @David In TN

    Rumor has it that South Carolina created an entire major just for their star black, and future Heisman trophy winning, running back so that he could stay academically eligible for football.

    Replies: @David In TN, @Ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar

    Rumor has it that South Carolina created an entire major just for their star black, and future Heisman trophy winning, running back so that he could stay academically eligible for football.

    A teacher told his class back in the ’70s of a player at Syracuse whose major was punting. Though it probably had a more formal designation. “Phys Ed with a concentration in instep performance”, or something.

  152. Finally, smart guys are less likely to do things so dumb that even star football players have their pro prospects ruined in high school or college, like shoot somebody who dissed them at a block party.

    Smart guys would cook up something undetectable in the chem lab.

  153. @War for Blair Mountain
    @Polemos

    How did Gettier cases fit into the conquest of North America by Europeans? They didn’t...because of the irrelevancy outside of a philosophy graduate seminar on the philosophy of justified true belief. It’s the same thing with IQ test score psychometrics:irrelevant to the problem that Working Class Native Born White Americans now have to deal with....the philosophically inclined now require that Working Class White Folks master the finer details of IQ test score psychometrics and......63 years of counter examples to counter examples to Edmund Gettier....holy shit, their fucking brains will explode while the demographic transformation of America proceeds apace. WE ARE NOT BRAINS IN A VAT!!!

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain

    Would the late Gian Carlo Rota have given a flying fuck about the Gettier problem? When you consider the fact that Gian Carlo Rota almost got the whole MIT Philosophy Department fired….I think not….

  154. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    Btw, the CoronaHoax ended yesterday: CDC says no facediapers anywhere if you got the double-penetration Prick. And of course I did 🤞😇

    One year ago Oregon averaged 1.3 deaths per day attributed to the CoronaSniffles. Just yesterday, we had 14 deaths by sniffles. How can the Covid Disinformation Centers be so callous! 😢

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin

    I self-identify as vaccinated, so I don’t need the jabs.

  155. @Jonathan Mason
    @AnotherDad

    I think languages do make a difference to intellectual scope.

    Being a native speaker of English is a huge advantage as English has a vast vocabulary, a huge body of literature, and is related to many other European languages.

    Having such a huge vocabulary, English lends itself very much to creativity and punning, because there are so many words and phrases that are similar.

    Many other languages such as tribal languages have a miniscule vocabulary by comparison, so tend to lead to much more concrete thinking and less abstraction.

    Even Spanish is much simplified compared to English and has less words.

    Compare:

    Zorro Zorra Zorrito vs Fox, Vixen, Cub or
    Perro, Perra, Perrito vs Dog, Bitch, Puppy.

    Then in horses we have horse, pony, stallion, gelding, mare, filly, foal vs variations on a single word in Spanish, which is a huge difference when you consider how many other secondary meanings each of these words has in the slang and vernacular. Sick puppy, stupid bitch, silly filly, soap-opera vixen, cub Scout, sly old fox, and so on.

    Speaking of which, why don't we just call Trans humans geldings, if we don't care for the word eunuch?

    However, it does seem to be a particularly American thing that pressure groups want to change the language by edict, a bit like the Academie Francaise, whereas English has traditionally continued to evolve, and dictionaries report usage rather than prescribe it.

    Replies: @International Jew

    I just might believe your English-vs-Spanish comparison if you told me you know Spanish as well as you know English. (Do you?)

    English is a mighty fine language; I use it all the time. But its famously large vocabulary is due to scientific terms known only to specialists.

    Russian has more names for family relations. (Look it up.) I’m not going to say Russian is a richer language (I don’t know it all that well) but I could find you Russians who will say that.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @International Jew


    I just might believe your English-vs-Spanish comparison if you told me you know Spanish as well as you know English. (Do you?)
     
    No, but I have spoken Spanish pretty much every day for many years. I can read the newspaper in Spanish and I can read the instructions for assembling a pressure cooker in Spanish. I can write emails in Spanish.

    Even in the United States when I was working with certain English speaking ethnic groups, I would find it necessary to dumb down my vocabulary to a small number of words so as to be understood. On that basis I would say that my knowledge of spoken and written Spanish is better than the knowledge of English of many native English speakers.
  156. @AnotherDad
    @International Jew

    Agree. This is exactly what the kid was doing. I noticed the setup that it was two numbers in the 90s, so it's just a one digit addition for the missing hundreds, one digit multiplication and patching it together.

    Just in daily life i tend strongly to favor the "close to this" approach where applicable--i.e. do the easy math, then figure in the difference.

    I'll give credit here for Fitzpatrick teaching his kid this. A lot of kids face a bit of math and figure they can only grind--have no "sense" of the numbers and their relationships. And, of course, most would have to run to their phones.

    Replies: @International Jew

    I’ll give credit here for Fitzpatrick teaching his kid this.

    Me too. But I do not give him credit for teaching the kid to be a public show-off.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
  157. @S. Anonyia
    I’m not surprised the draftees have higher IQs than the average of their respective races. It was always a lie that jocks were dumb. Being a high-level athlete requires a lot of discipline and planning, and truly stupid people tend to be incapable of either. Athletes generally aren’t geniuses but they are above average, and this data corroborates that.

    We only believe jocks are stupid thanks to decades of Hollywood propaganda.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Morton's toes, @joe_mama

    It’s part of the lie society teaches in the name of fairness. You’re a nerd or a jock. You have brains or you have brawn.

    Reality of course is that some get both and are just great genetic specimens. Some get neither.

  158. @MC
    Surprisingly, Peyton Manning, whose most famous attribute as a quarterback was seemingly moving players on both teams around the field to where he wanted them to be with just his brain, only got a 28 on the Wonderlic. He also only scored 1030 on the SAT. Just from observing the guy interact with other people, along with how he played the game, those scores seem artificially low.

    A friend of mine opined that maybe he just didn't bother studying for either test because he was obviously going to go wherever he wanted for college/be drafted No. 1. I have a pet theory that he tanked both tests because he didn't want to be pigeonholed as the "smart" (read: difficult) quarterback.

    Replies: @res, @ScarletNumber

    he didn’t want to be pigeonholed as the “smart” (read: difficult) quarterback

    Josh Rosen has this reputation and he got a 29 on his Wonderlic.

    • Replies: @MC
    @ScarletNumber

    They might just be stereotyping him as a Jew.

  159. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @cthulhu

    A friend used to "teach" autistic and multiply-handicapped children, though she admitted that most of what she did was babysitting. She said that it was cheaper than institutionalizing them. A judge ruled that they have a "right" to fulfill their potential, so huge sums of money are squandered in a futile attempt to do more than babble a few words and feed themselves. We do the same with the low iq minorities because we that deny observable reality that they are of an innately lower iq. That would be racist.

    This same friend later went on to teach in Akron, Ohio, and remarked that in an all black high school the class valedictorian will have an iq of 85.

    I'm surprised that the iq difference is only 16 points.

    Replies: @vhrm, @res, @ScarletNumber

    A friend used to “teach” autistic and multiply-handicapped children, though she admitted that most of what she did was babysitting.

    This is true. The Education for All Handicapped Children Act (1975) and the follow-up law Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (1990) were boondoggles that siphon much money into the Special Education Complex. For those who are bad with timelines, they were both signed by Republican presidents.

    This same friend later went on to teach in Akron, Ohio, and remarked that in an all black high school the class valedictorian will have an iq of 85.

    This seems difficult to believe. After all, the average is 85, so by chance some students are going to be higher. Perhaps the valedictorian doesn’t have the highest IQ. This happened in my high school, where our valedictorian got a 990 on her SAT, but chose easy classes where she could get easy A’s, i.e. senior year she didn’t bother with math or science.

  160. Jehu says:

    The Wonderlic is a type of test that is foreign to most students. The questions aren’t especially difficult, it is just that the time pressure is extreme. It rewards quickly identifying low hanging fruit and plucking it and moving on rapidly if you encounter any real resistance. At the really high end of ability though, you can just bulldoze through if you’ve got enough raw power.
    The old ASVAB computational section was very similar in nature—they tell you straight up, we don’t expect anyone to finish this test. Like the Wonderlic though, if you’re up around the +3 or higher sigma level in mathematical speed, you can just brute force it and finish.
    But an awful lot of people taking a test like the wonderlic for the first time get fixated and score way lower than they’re actually capable of with some real coaching in advance.
    You’d think that anyone going to the NFL combine with any real estimate that they might make it into the draft would have prepared for this sort of test, but I guess you’d be wrong. Similar tests are used for a lot of police exams.
    As IQ tests go, this one is probably as good as it gets for quarterbacks and the like. Emphasis on not getting overly fixated and rapidly pruning options and general mental speed seems like it’d be a good fit.

  161. @David In TN
    @Unladen Swallow

    One of those California products who went to a junior college to play football was a fellow named O.J. Simpson. USC was impressed enough to take him.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @AceDeuce, @Unladen Swallow

    Frank Gifford did this as well, attending Bakersfield Junior College for a year. While not an athlete, Pete Rozelle started at Compton Junior College.

  162. @ScarletNumber
    @MC


    he didn’t want to be pigeonholed as the “smart” (read: difficult) quarterback
     
    Josh Rosen has this reputation and he got a 29 on his Wonderlic.

    Replies: @MC

    They might just be stereotyping him as a Jew.

  163. @res
    @MC

    That sounds like spatial ability. Which the SAT does not really test for.
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/recognizing-spatial-intel/

    Replies: @MC

    That could be part of it, but I’m guessing most athletes have higher than average spatial intelligence.

    It doesn’t account for the fact that he’s also a lot better than most athletes at hosting SNL, for example.

    • Replies: @res
    @MC

    Good points. Regarding spatial intelligence, there are still levels to "higher than average."

    Another possibility (especially since his brother Eli scored 39 vs. his 28) is he had a bad day or has a slight learning disability. For example, dyslexia. Like Tim Tebow (scored 22).
    https://dyslexia.yale.edu/dyslexia-in-the-news-on-the-football-field-full-article/

  164. @res
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel


    This same friend later went on to teach in Akron, Ohio, and remarked that in an all black high school the class valedictorian will have an iq of 85.

    I’m surprised that the iq difference is only 16 points.
     
    Inner city public schools are probably a bit of a special case. I'm surprised the valedictorian IQ would be that low even so though. Perhaps being a personable hard worker is more important for grades at that level?

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Perhaps being a personable hard worker is more important for grades at that level?

    Considering what zoos those schools must be like, I’m sure just not being an asshole is worth a lot to teachers.

  165. @vhrm
    Note too that the whites are about 1 SD slower in the 40 yard dash. Should i be offended?


    Also, i'm sure it's been mentioned before regarding this scheme, but how does one deal with the incentive to underperform on the post-career IQ test in order to maximize one's payouts ?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @reactionry

    From Wonderlic to Windowlickers…

    “…But how does one deal with the incentive to underperform on the post-career IQ test in order to maximize one’s payouts?”
    That deserves a serious answer, but the link here only touches (as in “touched by an angel,” in this instance, mentally retarded) on some of the issues in this thread. One of my brothers and I have recited some of the lines to each other over the past half century or so, but I’d forgotten its brief reference to football. We first heard Bill Cosby’s “Special Class” on the family phonograph, but it didn’t add much to our vocabulary and it’s doubtful that Joe Biden would approve. While the bit has a bit of zoophilia, there’s nothing about interspecies whoopee, nor sexual dimorphism in pets.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  166. @Anonymous Jew
    @Feryl

    None of them are native. Historically, the White population here has leaned heavily Northern Euro. Native born NW Whites skew tall and attractive. See also the ‘Great Hobo Migration’ - only about 10% of the Seattle homeless population is from the city. The rest are miscreants from the rest of the country that are drawn to “Freeattle” where drug and vagrancy laws are not enforced. Same thing is happening in SF, LA, Vancouver BC et al.

    I live in one of the Whitest Seattle (proper) neighborhoods (literally 2% Black, many of those likely mulatto) and have noticed most of the tech workers fit a particular phenotype: thin with very little muscle mass. Imagine something between Bill Gates and a normal White guy, only thinner. It will take a while to see how their kids turn out.

    *Seattle is the northernmost and most overcast major US city. On the other hand, the annual UV is about the same as the British Isles, so Northern Euro Whites should be right at home.

    Replies: @Feryl

    Whoops, the pro-drug and pro-homeless culture is a good point that I some how forgot.

    None of them are native. Historically, the White population here has leaned heavily Northern Euro.

    That’s true of every place in America outside of the Northeast and Los Angeles. BTW, years ago I read about Oregon’s high poverty rate, and I also know that the region has been a haven for both Right (of the racial type, not the cultural conservative type) and Left wing extremists while also generally being very enthusiastic about assisted suicide, drug legalization, abortion, etc and this reaches back decades, so you can’t blame it on recent arrivals. In fact, for many decades the West Coast as a whole has been an “experimental” region with less emphasis on tradition and community than other regions. C’mon, you’ve never been the Midwest or had the positive aspects of Celtic Appalachia (a region with almost zero serial killers in comparison to other parts of America).

    https://www.livescience.com/40511-most-neurotic-creative-states-revealed-in-us-personality-map.html

    The Midwest, innermost Western states, and most of the South is traditionalist, the Northeast and Texas is grumpy, and most of the Western states are flaky.

    *Seattle is the northernmost and most overcast major US city. On the other hand, the annual UV is about the same as the British Isles, so Northern Euro Whites should be right at home

    .

    But Americans have many different climates to choose from within the country. In the entirety of NW Europe, the weather is pretty crappy except for a decent amount of sunny, dry, and warm weather in the summer. Colorado, for example, is much fitter than Alabama even when just looking at the white populations of each state. Hot and humid places tend to be unhealthy, but the sometimes gloomy and often clammy Northeast doesnt do much better. The Western states, which are drier and sunnier tend to be quite a bit healthier. Rain, gloom, and moist heat keep people inside. And the Pac NW is gloomier and clammier than the rest of the Western US.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Feryl

    Four of the six New England states (and New York) are healthier than the entire West Coast.

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.businessinsider.com%2Fimage%2F52ab79df6bb3f77e540aafc2-480%2F2013-state-health-ranking.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

  167. @Wade Hampton
    "...one reason that Kaepernick is such a famous figure is because of his high IQ..."

    Yeah. His high IQ and his incessant whining. But mostly his incessant whining.

    Replies: @Feryl

    Kaepernick was smart enough to realize that being a well-paid “activist” was a much a better gig than riding the bench after his inability to read defenses was exposed after 3-4 years as a starter, with occasional forays onto the field where his knees and brain would get further shredded.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
  168. @Guest007
    White receivers are always described as being able to run good routes and having great hands. Why? Because a white receiver that does not run good routes and have great run does not last on the team. Black receivers have the advantage of being faster, more physical, and being better at yards after catch.

    Replies: @vhrm, @Feryl

    Castefootball frequently has used physical measurables to show that blacks with objectively mediocre speed and agility are much more likely to be drafted than similarly abled whites. In fact, whites with quite good measurables are sometimes drafted low or not at all.

    There have been quite a few black running backs who end up looking like crap in the pros, and waddaya know, at the combine they tested out as slow and stiff. Let’s face it, there’s a lot of social pressure to give blacks jobs for which they are not always qualified. Was Don Shula (himself a white DB in his youth) a moron for winning Super bowls in the 70’s with whiter than average rosters? Were the late 70’s Raiders crazy to have three white running backs at one point?

    Its funny how the same people who see how crappy affirmative action has been in government and business somehow come to the conclusion that similar things could not possibly be affecting sports.

  169. @David In TN
    @Ben tillman

    In 1970 South Carolina was an all-white team with a 4-6-1 record. They played Tennessee that November and lost on a last-second field goal. Tennessee finished 11-1, ranked No. 4 in the final poll.

    In a book on Tennessee football, their 1970 captain said they had a hard time with South Carolina due to the Gamecocks' 260-70 pound offensive linemen. Around 1970 was when lineman of this size starting coming into college football.

    Replies: @Anon, @Ben tillman

    Sure, but they beat Clemson for the third straight year in 1970, and in 1969 they won the ACC with a 6-0 conference record.

  170. @David In TN
    @Unladen Swallow

    One of those California products who went to a junior college to play football was a fellow named O.J. Simpson. USC was impressed enough to take him.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @AceDeuce, @Unladen Swallow

    Yes indeed. Young Orenthal was an All-City HS player, but had a fairly extensive (and rather serious) juvie record, and very bad grades, even by the low bar that was set for star negro affletes. (He never did graduate from USC, BTW).

  171. @Anonymous Jew

    Finally, smart guys are less likely to do things so dumb that even star football players have their pro prospects ruined in high school or college, like shoot somebody who dissed them at a block party.

     

    I wonder how much Black athletic talent has been lost due to filtering these people out. Serious question.

    Replies: @FPD72

    I wonder how much Black athletic talent has been lost due to filtering these people out. Serious question.

    Six members of the 1988 Dallas Carter football team that defeated Odessa Permian in Friday Night Lights, most of whom had signed football Letters of Intent with colleges, went on a month long armed robbery spree and ended up in prison. IIRC, only one played college ball after getting out of prison, and he was on the team at Texas Southern for two years.

    Three football players at Texas Tech were arrested for burglary and illegal firearms sales (the safe they had stolen from a drug dealer’s home was filled with guns, not cash). After adjudication none went to prison but were kicked out of school. One, Dakota Allen, attended a JC in Mississippi for a year. While there he became a Christian. After that he was readmitted at Tech and is now in the NFL. Another of the three (a Hispanic) plays in the Arena Football League.

    For three years I was the director of a halfway house for juvenile delinquents. Several of the boys played football, soccer, or basketball at the high school the guys attended. I thought one of them had at least small college potential in either football or basketball but his criminal ways prevented that.

    Far too many of these guys fit the adage, “Body by Fisher, mind by Mattel.”

    • Thanks: Anonymous Jew
  172. @Mike Tre
    http://castefootball.us/index.php?threads/the-racial-caste-system-in-sports.8644/

    "Thus in America and much of the West, a rigid stereotype has taken hold: of white inferiority to non-whites (with the exception of Asians) in athletics. This stereotype has created a kind of "caste system" in sports, with blacks on top, whites next, and Asians last. But a careful examination of the facts leads to very different conclusions: the stereotype of white athletic inferiority is false, and black dominance of some college and professional sports is created by systematic discrimination against white athletes.
    "

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    You are focused on American sports which tweaked to favor Bantus. Steve’s said before that there were more white players when football players played both O and D.

    We can look some individual sports, i.e. raw athletic ability

    In sprinting it should be ranked as Bantus on top, then tied between yellows and whites (current fastest non-Bantu time is Su Bingtian at 9.91), then everyone else.

    In marathon it should be East Africans, then tied btw Japanese and whites

    In swimming it’s whites, yellows, then everyone else.

    In strongman/shotput i.e. absolute strength its whites on top, then bantus, then all others

    In weightlifting i.e. relative strength its yellows in light/medium weight, West Asians in heavyweight
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_Olympic_weightlifting

    In decathlon its mostly white

    In shooting its tie between yellows and whites
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_records_in_shooting

    Lastly in Sumo, its Mongols on top, since they occupy a sweet spot, smaller than Slavs/Samoans but lower center of gravity, but bigger than Japanese.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_yokozuna

    All these sports racial rankings are subject to new data inputs, for example Shohei Ohtani might end as 6-tool player Babe Ruth level statue and Japanese are clearly not the biggest of East Asians.

  173. Sure, but they beat Clemson for the third straight year in 1970, and in 1969 they won the ACC with a 6-0 conference record.

    GO COCKS !!!

  174. @MC
    @res

    That could be part of it, but I'm guessing most athletes have higher than average spatial intelligence.

    It doesn't account for the fact that he's also a lot better than most athletes at hosting SNL, for example.

    Replies: @res

    Good points. Regarding spatial intelligence, there are still levels to “higher than average.”

    Another possibility (especially since his brother Eli scored 39 vs. his 28) is he had a bad day or has a slight learning disability. For example, dyslexia. Like Tim Tebow (scored 22).
    https://dyslexia.yale.edu/dyslexia-in-the-news-on-the-football-field-full-article/

  175. @Truth
    @joe862


    He’s probably 3 standard deviations more able to maintain interest in something as inherently pointless as football than the average guy is.
     
    Are you sure a football career would be "pointless" to the average guy?

    https://www.wealthygenius.com/colin-kaepernick-net-worth/

    Replies: @joe862

    The average guy would’ve retired far earlier.

  176. @Polistra
    In a related story

    https://i.ibb.co/gm3KC4P/Screenshot-20210514-214850-Chrome.jpg

    Presumably this works for assessments too? Because I'd totally be willing to slap on some blackface if it'll cut my real-estate taxes in half. I'll even cry if it'll help. No shame here.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Neoconned, @Charon

    Turns out she only paid 100K for the house. Smells like a setup.

    https://mol.im/a/9588367

    • Replies: @res
    @Charon

    It does smell like a setup. Two other interesting points.

    1. Apparently the name of the appraiser who quoted $259k was redacted in the complaint. Convenient that it can't be verified.

    2. The neighborhood is fairly small. Wikipedia has details on the boundary.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flanner_House_Homes
    Most of the houses there are priced around $100k on Zillow. Here is one of the higher valued ($121k) in the middle of the neighborhood.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/561-W-13th-St-Indianapolis-IN-46202/1118720_zpid/

    The comments to The Daily Mail article claim her house is $134k on Zillow. The comments give this as her address.
    1329 Fall Creek Parkway East Dr, Indianapolis, IN 46202
    https://www.zillow.com/homes/1329-Fall-Creek-Parkway-East-Dr,-Indianapolis,-IN-46202.Indianapolis,-IN_rb/1118017_zpid/
    That does look like one of the nicer spots in the neighborhood.

    The Zestimate for her house is interesting. Over the last 10 years it has gone up by a factor of two twice and down by a factor of two once. It sold for $10k (not a typo!) 11/10/2015. Zillow shows it listed for $110k in 2017 and the article claims she bought it in 2017 for 100k. I wonder how good the remodel was (just cosmetics, or ?).

  177. @Feryl
    @Anonymous Jew

    Whoops, the pro-drug and pro-homeless culture is a good point that I some how forgot.



    None of them are native. Historically, the White population here has leaned heavily Northern Euro.

     

    That's true of every place in America outside of the Northeast and Los Angeles. BTW, years ago I read about Oregon's high poverty rate, and I also know that the region has been a haven for both Right (of the racial type, not the cultural conservative type) and Left wing extremists while also generally being very enthusiastic about assisted suicide, drug legalization, abortion, etc and this reaches back decades, so you can't blame it on recent arrivals. In fact, for many decades the West Coast as a whole has been an "experimental" region with less emphasis on tradition and community than other regions. C'mon, you've never been the Midwest or had the positive aspects of Celtic Appalachia (a region with almost zero serial killers in comparison to other parts of America).

    https://www.livescience.com/40511-most-neurotic-creative-states-revealed-in-us-personality-map.html

    The Midwest, innermost Western states, and most of the South is traditionalist, the Northeast and Texas is grumpy, and most of the Western states are flaky.


    *Seattle is the northernmost and most overcast major US city. On the other hand, the annual UV is about the same as the British Isles, so Northern Euro Whites should be right at home
     
    .

    But Americans have many different climates to choose from within the country. In the entirety of NW Europe, the weather is pretty crappy except for a decent amount of sunny, dry, and warm weather in the summer. Colorado, for example, is much fitter than Alabama even when just looking at the white populations of each state. Hot and humid places tend to be unhealthy, but the sometimes gloomy and often clammy Northeast doesnt do much better. The Western states, which are drier and sunnier tend to be quite a bit healthier. Rain, gloom, and moist heat keep people inside. And the Pac NW is gloomier and clammier than the rest of the Western US.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  178. This play tells what kind of guy Ben Watson is.

    From where he was standing when the interception happened, most players would have been content to watch.

  179. @David In TN
    @Unladen Swallow

    One of those California products who went to a junior college to play football was a fellow named O.J. Simpson. USC was impressed enough to take him.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @AceDeuce, @Unladen Swallow

    Also Jason Sehorn, who Steve has pointed out was the last starting white CB in the NFL.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Unladen Swallow

    And Sehorn was quite good....When he was healthy. But he had enough talent that the NY Giants kept him around in spite of his frequent injury troubles.

  180. @International Jew
    @Jonathan Mason

    I just might believe your English-vs-Spanish comparison if you told me you know Spanish as well as you know English. (Do you?)

    English is a mighty fine language; I use it all the time. But its famously large vocabulary is due to scientific terms known only to specialists.

    Russian has more names for family relations. (Look it up.) I'm not going to say Russian is a richer language (I don't know it all that well) but I could find you Russians who will say that.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I just might believe your English-vs-Spanish comparison if you told me you know Spanish as well as you know English. (Do you?)

    No, but I have spoken Spanish pretty much every day for many years. I can read the newspaper in Spanish and I can read the instructions for assembling a pressure cooker in Spanish. I can write emails in Spanish.

    Even in the United States when I was working with certain English speaking ethnic groups, I would find it necessary to dumb down my vocabulary to a small number of words so as to be understood. On that basis I would say that my knowledge of spoken and written Spanish is better than the knowledge of English of many native English speakers.

  181. res says:
    @Charon
    @Polistra

    Turns out she only paid 100K for the house. Smells like a setup.


    https://mol.im/a/9588367

    Replies: @res

    It does smell like a setup. Two other interesting points.

    1. Apparently the name of the appraiser who quoted $259k was redacted in the complaint. Convenient that it can’t be verified.

    2. The neighborhood is fairly small. Wikipedia has details on the boundary.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flanner_House_Homes
    Most of the houses there are priced around $100k on Zillow. Here is one of the higher valued ($121k) in the middle of the neighborhood.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/561-W-13th-St-Indianapolis-IN-46202/1118720_zpid/

    The comments to The Daily Mail article claim her house is $134k on Zillow. The comments give this as her address.
    1329 Fall Creek Parkway East Dr, Indianapolis, IN 46202
    https://www.zillow.com/homes/1329-Fall-Creek-Parkway-East-Dr,-Indianapolis,-IN-46202.Indianapolis,-IN_rb/1118017_zpid/
    That does look like one of the nicer spots in the neighborhood.

    The Zestimate for her house is interesting. Over the last 10 years it has gone up by a factor of two twice and down by a factor of two once. It sold for $10k (not a typo!) 11/10/2015. Zillow shows it listed for $110k in 2017 and the article claims she bought it in 2017 for 100k. I wonder how good the remodel was (just cosmetics, or ?).

  182. @Unladen Swallow
    @David In TN

    Also Jason Sehorn, who Steve has pointed out was the last starting white CB in the NFL.

    Replies: @Feryl

    And Sehorn was quite good….When he was healthy. But he had enough talent that the NY Giants kept him around in spite of his frequent injury troubles.

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