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White Homicide Victims Are Four Times More Likely to Have Been Shot by the Police Than Black Homicide Victims

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America has crucified itself in this decade over a single stat: In 2020-2022, blacks have been fatally shot by the police at a per capita rate 2.5 times higher than non-Hispanic whites (using data from the Washington Post database of fatal police shootings and the CDC WONDER database of deaths-by-cause):

2020-2022
WP Fatal Police Shootings Population Police Shootings per 100k Ratio vs. White Rate
White 1,297 196,813,417 0.22 1.0
Black 700 41,714,804 0.56 2.5
Hispanic 428 62,202,322 0.23 1.0
Asian 40 19,579,666 0.07 0.3
American Indian 31 2,445,390 0.42 1.9
Other or Multi 3 8,334,937
Unknown 665 0
Total 3,164 331,090,538 0.32 1.5

But, is that the only way to look at this data?

What about police shootings as a percent of total homicide victimizations suffered by each race?

2020-2022
WP Fatal Police Shootings CDC Total Homicide Victimizations Homicide Victimizations per 100k Ratio vs. White Rate % Police Ratio vs. White Rate
White 1,297 18,344 3.1 1.0 7.1% 1.00
Black 700 41,036 32.8 10.6 1.7% 0.24
Hispanic 428 12,863 6.9 2.2 3.3% 0.47
Asian 40 911 1.6 0.5 4.4% 0.62
American Indian 31 1,037 14.1 4.5 3.0% 0.42
Other or Multi 3 1,114 4.5 1.4
Unknown 665 158
Total 3,164 75,463 7.6 2.4 4.2% 0.59

Well, it turns out that police shootings made up 7.1% of all white homicide victimizations compared to only 1.7% of black homicide victimizations. So whites who die by homicide are about four times for likely to be shot by a cop than blacks who die by homicide and about twice as likely as Hispanics who die by homicide.

Why are the cops shooting so many whites relative to the the threat that whites are in and/or pose?

My guess is that suicide-by-cop is much more common among whites, while the contrary black tendency toward homicidality helps gets them shot by scared cops more.

 
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  1. Why are the cops shooting so many whites relative to the the threat that whites are in and/or pose?

    Whites run slower?

    • Replies: @Yancey Ward
    @Hypnotoad666

    And they don't zig zag as much.

    , @Joe Joe
    @Hypnotoad666

    Whites are easier to see and shoot at in the dark ;-)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  2. anon[197] • Disclaimer says:

    Relevant, from 2015:

    >…we find that most black suspects killed by cops are 1. armed, either with gun or automobile 2. shot by black cops 3. had prior arrest records or 4. are mentally ill (and thus more likely to behave erratically around cops).

    Furthermore, a meta-analysis of simulations testing police use of deadly force, which was quickly shoved down the memory hole by Hivemind information gatekeepers, found that police reacting to threatening scenarios are biased IN FAVOR of black suspects and AGAINST white suspects. […]

    –When confronted by an armed white person, participants took an average of 1.37 seconds to fire back. Confronted by an armed black person, they took 1.61 seconds to fire and were less likely to fire in error. The 24-millisecond difference may seem small, but it’s enough to be fatal in a shooting. […]

    “…there is some evidence from the field to support the proposition that an officer’s threat bias could cause him or her to tend to take more time to make decisions to shoot people whom they subconsciously perceived as more threatening because of race or ethnicity. This behavioral ‘counter-bias’ might be rooted in people’s concerns about the social and legal consequences of shooting a member of a historically oppressed racial or ethnic group.“>
    ***

    Basically, cops are afraid to be targeted by the jmedia spotlight and an anti-White corrupt DOJ if they shoot a nonwhite suspect. But no one gives a shit if a White suspect is killed by a cop.

    https://heartiste.org/2015/10/13/the-black-lives-matter-narrative-is-bogus/

    • Thanks: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @anon


    “…there is some evidence from the field to support the proposition that an officer’s threat bias could cause him or her to tend to take more time to make decisions to shoot people whom they subconsciously perceived as more threatening because of race or ethnicity. This behavioral ‘counter-bias’ might be rooted in people’s concerns about the social and legal consequences of shooting a member of a historically oppressed racial or ethnic group.“>
     
    I guess that cops prefer to increase their own odds of getting shot and killed by criminals than to risk getting the Chauvin treatment, eh?
  3. My guess is that suicide-by-cop is much more common among whites

    Your guess is right on the money. My home town is proof.

    A fellow was dogged by student loans, his wife taking off, and his health getting bad. All this and he wasn’t 30 yet. He called the cops from his cell, and told them a “gunman” was loose in the the neighborhood. It was after dark.

    The cops pulled up and saw him between two houses with a handgun. They fired enough rounds to kill a football team. After which they discovered the gun was a blackened old squirt gun and the cell phone in his pocket was used to call them.

    What impressed me was how white guys plan so meticulously. Even in the depths of despair and anger. Nothing sloppy about it; as soon as police see the shadow of a gun at night the story only ends one way.

  4. The woke term for police-involved shootings with a white victim is “suicide by cop” because we cannot ever be allowed to have sympathy for white victims of violence in any way.

    Unless the victim is transgender, of course.

  5. Off-Topic. ON THE INTERSECTIONALIST BATTLEFRONT

    Portland, OR — Violence erupts between menacing transgender pro-mask anarchists and menacing transgender anti-mask anarchists.

    Ableism at the Anarchy Fair

    On November 25th 2023, a small group of disabled trans anti-eugenicists confronted a festival of ableist violence in so called “Portland, Oregon”. This was done against libertarians posing as anarchists whom avoid taking responsibility for the violence they have perpetrated by spreading SARS-CoV-2 and its strains without mitigation. Their violence follows the logic of settlers who unleashed smallpox on the Indigenous peoples of Turtle Island.
    The fake anarchists who organized this festival have published a statement supporting the continuation of the COVID genocide through promoting anti-masking rhetoric in a publication called Anarchy Anarchy Anarchy!. In this newspaper, they wrote that anti-ableists who wheat pasted demands of leftist spaces to require masks are the equivalent of health cops and that mask requirements are “gulag as fuck”….

    This narrative also obscures the true role of the police as shock troopers for reproducing all systems of oppression. It ignores how police forces across the country & globally are responsible for pushing anti-masking practices & COVID denial in their own ranks. This violence functions as a further enforcement of genocide through their systemic power, such as exposing prisoners to COVID while withholding masks, tests & vaccines, leaving them to long term disabilities and in worst cases, death…

    https://www.anarchistfederation.net/anonymous-ableism-at-the-anarchy-fair/

    Combat blow-by-blow:

    [MORE]

    Our original intentions as a group were to go in, burn their ableist newspapers, make our statement at the firepit and leave, without creating bodily harm or fighting anyone. Yet upon collecting the materials we were dog piled, beaten and swung at. This forced us to respond in self defense, resulting in at least two anti-maskers getting directly damaged by our attacks. The way these reactionaries resorted to bashing the disabled trans women whom confronted their anti-masking rhetoric does not compare to the lethal violence of their willing spread of COVID. Yet we found it hypocritical that the TERFs who invaded town on 11/19/2023 and many local fascists were beaten less hard than what disabled trans women received for calling out ableism in this “anarchist” space, as unfortunately TERFs and local fascist rarely are inflicted the brutal retaliation they deserve here. We believe this intense reaction against vocal disabled trans people reveal the fascist taint in these “anarchist” anti-maskers, who rarely enact that level of violence onto other right wingers. We urge people to deplatform their crypto-fascist newspaper and these ableist talking points everywhere.

    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
    @New Dealer

    David Foster Wallace is pulling the strings now, we are forsaken.

  6. Nice long race, immigration and crime thread.

    This should work of you don’t have twitter.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1731305590050160827.html

    • Thanks: Bardon Kaldian, TWS, J.Ross
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Pixo

    It's simply wrong to allow these lying demons to have power.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Pixo


    Nice long race, immigration and crime thread.
     
    At this point ... what's the point? There is no convincing folks. Minoritarianism and its running buddy immigrationism is a religion.


    In the US, immigrants (1st generation) are not particularly over-represented, because our native ADOS blacks are even more relatively criminally inclined. (And a lot of crime in immigrant neighborhoods goes unreported, and when things get sufficiently "hot" Latino immigrants sometimes high-tail it back home.) But immigration has still made everything worse for Americans.

    But in Europe, crime has exploded precisely because of immigrants. It brings in people with lower IQ, lower conscientiousness, higher time preference--i.e. more criminal--and plops them down in a high-trust society they are alienated from. Immigration is crime creation.


    But again, what's the point of arguing now? Minoritarianism is a religious ideology. Its gospel has been/is being spread. And its believers are many, powerful and incredibly destructive.

    Non-believers--i.e. normal people--need to separate themselves from these believers. Minoritarians are parasites upon Western nations. We need to get them off us, separate ourselves form them--by any means necessary. Or we die.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Prester John

  7. Why are the cops shooting so many whites relative to the the threat that whites are in and/or pose?

    My guess is that suicide-by-cop is much more common among whites

    I don’t know, but this doesn’t sound too convincing.

  8. @Pixo
    Nice long race, immigration and crime thread.


    https://twitter.com/CompositeGuy_/status/1731305590050160827

    This should work of you don’t have twitter.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1731305590050160827.html

    Replies: @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    It’s simply wrong to allow these lying demons to have power.

  9. “Why are the cops shooting so many whites relative to the the threat that whites are in and/or pose?”

    Because they are well aware of Sailer’s Law? That is that whites are actually more dangerous?

  10. All too often it’s murder first then suicide by cop.

    Another fin reading of the statistics.

    Black leaders should be ashamed of the murder rate, and should be shaming criminals. All criminals should be shamed, black and white.

  11. White police officers might be more hesitant to shoot negroes because they know the consequences are different depending on if the person shot is white or black.

    The ever increasing number of minority police might be more inclined to shoot white suspects because of their own prejudices toward white people in general.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
  12. No deep analysis was ever necessary. This jihad was not just bogus–but obviously, undeniably bogus– from the get go. A simply ration suffices.

    Blacks were running about 30% of (American) police shootings–about twice their (young male) population %–but commit a much higher proportion of violent crime. Homicide is perhaps the best–and most easily counted–correlation with the “asshole waving a gun around” scenario that gets criminals shot. And blacks were through the roof in that department–50%+ of American homicides–even before Saint George’s OD.

    This whole vile anti-white shitshow has basically nothing to do with blacks. This is your nation on minoritarianism. The people pushing this toxic anti-white, anti-national, anti-civilization ideology need to be toss out of our nation–of any nation. Let them pickle themselves in their toxic brew in their own separate nation away from us.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @AnotherDad


    No deep analysis was ever necessary. This jihad was not just bogus–but obviously, undeniably bogus– from the get go. A simply ration suffices.

    Blacks were running about 30% of (American) police shootings–about twice their (young male) population %–but commit a much higher proportion of violent crime. Homicide is perhaps the best–and most easily counted–correlation with the “asshole waving a gun around” scenario that gets criminals shot. And blacks were through the roof in that department–50%+ of American homicides–even before Saint George’s OD.
     
    Outside of Unz and a few other similarly disposed websites, deep analysis is impossible, since it is forbidden to speak of the higher rates of black criminality. It's a thing that it is just immoral to know, so you can't have a discussion that doesn't end with "we must do something about cops killing blacks (while they are committing felonies)."

    It's a feature of those Sailer Shark attacks - some pencil necked left wing psychopath with write "if Republicans are so good at addressing crime, why does Jackson Mississippi which has a Republican Governor have an increase in crime?" Steve will cite the demographic makeup of Jackson as well as the race of its mayor/council/chief of police and note the crime statistics. Then the response is always "heh, what a racist!" To the regime's minions, this is like sacking the quarterback on every play.
    , @Corvinus
    @AnotherDad

    “This is your nation on minoritarianism. The people pushing this toxic anti-white, anti-national, anti-civilization ideology need to be toss out of our nation–of any nation”

    Same tired message on your part. Doesn’t move the needle. Direct action is needed on your part, not virtue signaling.

    Now, it is more likely that the white person who gets shot by the police is a lower IQ thug (no loss—don’t blame me, blame HbD) OR someone with a mental illness (which more needs to be done to help this group out, but the GOP cuts funding for treatment and support).

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong

  13. A lot of obvious points to be made on this subject, but innumeracy – whether deliberate or not – is a fundamental element of modern mainstream journalism, often paired with a distinct lack of curiosity in phenomena beyond the talking points of favored advocacy groups.

    Obviously our cultural guardians want to keep certain inconvenient facts away from the public, but from my own interaction with younger journalists, they simply are not that smart nor do they view it as their responsibility to try to determine if the ‘facts’ presented to them actually make sense. Possibly their editors know better, but obviously they don’t demand more from their staff.

    During Floydmania, the WaPo diligently assembled a database of all fatal cop shootings and sorted them by race, and even at one point admitted in an article that in 80% of the killings of blacks who were classified as unarmed, the deceased had been actively assaulting or threatening either cops or other people at the scene. Despite having a lot of fairly accurate data at their fingertips, Post journalists and editors continued to pump out ‘news’ articles and op-eds painting America as having an epidemic of unjustified cop-on-black killings.

    • Thanks: Prester John
  14. Based on my anecdotal YouTube viewing of police shootings, your suicide-by-cop theory seems sound.

    OT: There are rumors that YouTube plans to seriously restrict shooting videos. My guess is that almost all police body-cam interactions have an obvious narrative that’s unsympathetic to the vibrant class.

    • Replies: @Rob Lee
    @mikeInThe716

    Raw body camera footage is precisely what got the reality TV show 'Cops' bounced off A&E a few years ago. Community activists thought that by fitting mandatory body cameras on cops, they'd catch a lot of racist behavior, but a significant majority of the raw footage showed just the opposite - police exhibiting remarkable restraint in the face of notably feral behavior.

  15. @Pixo
    Nice long race, immigration and crime thread.


    https://twitter.com/CompositeGuy_/status/1731305590050160827

    This should work of you don’t have twitter.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1731305590050160827.html

    Replies: @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    Nice long race, immigration and crime thread.

    At this point … what’s the point? There is no convincing folks. Minoritarianism and its running buddy immigrationism is a religion.

    In the US, immigrants (1st generation) are not particularly over-represented, because our native ADOS blacks are even more relatively criminally inclined. (And a lot of crime in immigrant neighborhoods goes unreported, and when things get sufficiently “hot” Latino immigrants sometimes high-tail it back home.) But immigration has still made everything worse for Americans.

    But in Europe, crime has exploded precisely because of immigrants. It brings in people with lower IQ, lower conscientiousness, higher time preference–i.e. more criminal–and plops them down in a high-trust society they are alienated from. Immigration is crime creation.

    But again, what’s the point of arguing now? Minoritarianism is a religious ideology. Its gospel has been/is being spread. And its believers are many, powerful and incredibly destructive.

    Non-believers–i.e. normal people–need to separate themselves from these believers. Minoritarians are parasites upon Western nations. We need to get them off us, separate ourselves form them–by any means necessary. Or we die.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @AnotherDad


    But in Europe, crime has exploded precisely because of immigrants. It brings in people with lower IQ, lower conscientiousness, higher time preference–i.e. more criminal–and plops them down in a high-trust society they are alienated from. Immigration is crime creation.
     
    This is a little off topic, but what accounts for the difference in Pakistani immigrants to the UK and U.S. respectively?

    In the U.S., Pakistanis tend to be Medical Doctors or something similar, while in the UK they're the "Asians" which engage in street crime and gang activities.

    Is there something about the UK immigration system that selects for the worst Pakistanis, and the U.S. system the best? I can't imagine anything about the U.S. system that would knowingly be beneficial to the U.S. when it could otherwise be a detriment.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Drywall Hammer

    , @Prester John
    @AnotherDad

    "Minoritarianism and its running buddy immigrationism is a religion."

    Always was...always will be.

  16. @AnotherDad
    No deep analysis was ever necessary. This jihad was not just bogus--but obviously, undeniably bogus-- from the get go. A simply ration suffices.

    Blacks were running about 30% of (American) police shootings--about twice their (young male) population %--but commit a much higher proportion of violent crime. Homicide is perhaps the best--and most easily counted--correlation with the "asshole waving a gun around" scenario that gets criminals shot. And blacks were through the roof in that department--50%+ of American homicides--even before Saint George's OD.

    This whole vile anti-white shitshow has basically nothing to do with blacks. This is your nation on minoritarianism. The people pushing this toxic anti-white, anti-national, anti-civilization ideology need to be toss out of our nation--of any nation. Let them pickle themselves in their toxic brew in their own separate nation away from us.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Corvinus

    No deep analysis was ever necessary. This jihad was not just bogus–but obviously, undeniably bogus– from the get go. A simply ration suffices.

    Blacks were running about 30% of (American) police shootings–about twice their (young male) population %–but commit a much higher proportion of violent crime. Homicide is perhaps the best–and most easily counted–correlation with the “asshole waving a gun around” scenario that gets criminals shot. And blacks were through the roof in that department–50%+ of American homicides–even before Saint George’s OD.

    Outside of Unz and a few other similarly disposed websites, deep analysis is impossible, since it is forbidden to speak of the higher rates of black criminality. It’s a thing that it is just immoral to know, so you can’t have a discussion that doesn’t end with “we must do something about cops killing blacks (while they are committing felonies).”

    It’s a feature of those Sailer Shark attacks – some pencil necked left wing psychopath with write “if Republicans are so good at addressing crime, why does Jackson Mississippi which has a Republican Governor have an increase in crime?” Steve will cite the demographic makeup of Jackson as well as the race of its mayor/council/chief of police and note the crime statistics. Then the response is always “heh, what a racist!” To the regime’s minions, this is like sacking the quarterback on every play.

  17. @AnotherDad
    @Pixo


    Nice long race, immigration and crime thread.
     
    At this point ... what's the point? There is no convincing folks. Minoritarianism and its running buddy immigrationism is a religion.


    In the US, immigrants (1st generation) are not particularly over-represented, because our native ADOS blacks are even more relatively criminally inclined. (And a lot of crime in immigrant neighborhoods goes unreported, and when things get sufficiently "hot" Latino immigrants sometimes high-tail it back home.) But immigration has still made everything worse for Americans.

    But in Europe, crime has exploded precisely because of immigrants. It brings in people with lower IQ, lower conscientiousness, higher time preference--i.e. more criminal--and plops them down in a high-trust society they are alienated from. Immigration is crime creation.


    But again, what's the point of arguing now? Minoritarianism is a religious ideology. Its gospel has been/is being spread. And its believers are many, powerful and incredibly destructive.

    Non-believers--i.e. normal people--need to separate themselves from these believers. Minoritarians are parasites upon Western nations. We need to get them off us, separate ourselves form them--by any means necessary. Or we die.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Prester John

    But in Europe, crime has exploded precisely because of immigrants. It brings in people with lower IQ, lower conscientiousness, higher time preference–i.e. more criminal–and plops them down in a high-trust society they are alienated from. Immigration is crime creation.

    This is a little off topic, but what accounts for the difference in Pakistani immigrants to the UK and U.S. respectively?

    In the U.S., Pakistanis tend to be Medical Doctors or something similar, while in the UK they’re the “Asians” which engage in street crime and gang activities.

    Is there something about the UK immigration system that selects for the worst Pakistanis, and the U.S. system the best? I can’t imagine anything about the U.S. system that would knowingly be beneficial to the U.S. when it could otherwise be a detriment.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    Is there something about the UK immigration system that selects for the worst Pakistanis, and the U.S. system the best?
     
    I think that the UK just got a lot more Pakistanis than the US. They got a mix of educated professionals and lower class ones. Don’t ask me why anyone thought that was a good idea.

    In the US, most Pakistanis are educated professionals immigrating legally.
    , @Drywall Hammer
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Bringing in Pakistani doctors IS knowingly detrimental to the U.S. They displace White doctors. They bring White salaries down. They take White places in our medical schools. They bring their families here, and soon enough their stupid cousins.

    Given the obvious animosity that our rulers have for Whites, from affirmative action to mass immigration over the Mexican border, legal non-White immigration can only be seen as another knife in the back. Connect the dots.

    -Discard

    Replies: @Elli

  18. @New Dealer
    Off-Topic. ON THE INTERSECTIONALIST BATTLEFRONT

    Portland, OR — Violence erupts between menacing transgender pro-mask anarchists and menacing transgender anti-mask anarchists.

    Ableism at the Anarchy Fair

    On November 25th 2023, a small group of disabled trans anti-eugenicists confronted a festival of ableist violence in so called “Portland, Oregon”. This was done against libertarians posing as anarchists whom avoid taking responsibility for the violence they have perpetrated by spreading SARS-CoV-2 and its strains without mitigation. Their violence follows the logic of settlers who unleashed smallpox on the Indigenous peoples of Turtle Island.
    The fake anarchists who organized this festival have published a statement supporting the continuation of the COVID genocide through promoting anti-masking rhetoric in a publication called Anarchy Anarchy Anarchy!. In this newspaper, they wrote that anti-ableists who wheat pasted demands of leftist spaces to require masks are the equivalent of health cops and that mask requirements are “gulag as fuck”….

    This narrative also obscures the true role of the police as shock troopers for reproducing all systems of oppression. It ignores how police forces across the country & globally are responsible for pushing anti-masking practices & COVID denial in their own ranks. This violence functions as a further enforcement of genocide through their systemic power, such as exposing prisoners to COVID while withholding masks, tests & vaccines, leaving them to long term disabilities and in worst cases, death…

     

    https://www.anarchistfederation.net/anonymous-ableism-at-the-anarchy-fair/

    Combat blow-by-blow:

    Our original intentions as a group were to go in, burn their ableist newspapers, make our statement at the firepit and leave, without creating bodily harm or fighting anyone. Yet upon collecting the materials we were dog piled, beaten and swung at. This forced us to respond in self defense, resulting in at least two anti-maskers getting directly damaged by our attacks. The way these reactionaries resorted to bashing the disabled trans women whom confronted their anti-masking rhetoric does not compare to the lethal violence of their willing spread of COVID. Yet we found it hypocritical that the TERFs who invaded town on 11/19/2023 and many local fascists were beaten less hard than what disabled trans women received for calling out ableism in this “anarchist” space, as unfortunately TERFs and local fascist rarely are inflicted the brutal retaliation they deserve here. We believe this intense reaction against vocal disabled trans people reveal the fascist taint in these “anarchist” anti-maskers, who rarely enact that level of violence onto other right wingers. We urge people to deplatform their crypto-fascist newspaper and these ableist talking points everywhere.

     

    Replies: @Gabe Ruth

    David Foster Wallace is pulling the strings now, we are forsaken.

  19. My guess is that it is more dangerous for Whites to live in blue city/state than a Red city/state.
    Whites must flee the dangerous areas that are often black-run hellholes.

  20. This is a little off topic, but what accounts for the difference in Pakistani immigrants to the UK and U.S. respectively?

    In the U.S., Pakistanis tend to be Medical Doctors or something similar, while in the UK they’re the “Asians” which engage in street crime and gang activities.

    British Empire and oceans.

    Treasonous UK elites instead of protecting their people from modern transportation allowed post-War “labor shortage” (LOL) cheap labor grubbing from their precious “Empire”. The mills took in huge numbers from Pakistan, apparently particularly from Mirpur a poor district off in the boonies of Pakistan’s slice of Kashmir. Immigrating from their became a “thing”–cultivating local knowledge of how to do it–as with some villages in Mexico sending lots of people to the US. Then the men sent for their women and … you’re off to the races. Of course, a decade–or less–later its clear the mills are uncompetitive, didn’t really “need” all this foreign labor, and shut down. But the damage has been done.

    Brits can probably add info, but I think that’s the gist of it. And why the Pakis but not the Indians are up in Yorkshire and the Midlands, while the Indians seem to be more around London.

    In the US, Pakis like Indians, can’t hop the fence, and did not come to labor. (There are Sikhs in Canada who did. I’ve got a friend from grad school whose family came to B.C. long ago to work in the woods.) Most subcons originally got here by coming to school here on an F1, then finding a job, getting a green card. There’s some family chain migration after that–particularly in the Gujarati “Patel Motel” type communities, similar Paki communities and probably with the Sikhs. But your typical Indian/Pakistani probably got here through some sort of college–or college educated career–path.

    • Thanks: Frau Katze
    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
    @AnotherDad

    I say Canada, the USA and the UK would have been better off without them.

    , @Frau Katze
    @AnotherDad

    Re: Sikhs in Canada

    A group came at end of the 19th century. My understanding is that it was a reward for siding with the British in the Indian uprising.

    They’re a small minority in India and don’t particularly get along with the majority Hindus. So they did not participate in the uprising, in fact they are sided with the British.

    However there weren’t that many that came at the time.

  21. @AnotherDad
    @Pixo


    Nice long race, immigration and crime thread.
     
    At this point ... what's the point? There is no convincing folks. Minoritarianism and its running buddy immigrationism is a religion.


    In the US, immigrants (1st generation) are not particularly over-represented, because our native ADOS blacks are even more relatively criminally inclined. (And a lot of crime in immigrant neighborhoods goes unreported, and when things get sufficiently "hot" Latino immigrants sometimes high-tail it back home.) But immigration has still made everything worse for Americans.

    But in Europe, crime has exploded precisely because of immigrants. It brings in people with lower IQ, lower conscientiousness, higher time preference--i.e. more criminal--and plops them down in a high-trust society they are alienated from. Immigration is crime creation.


    But again, what's the point of arguing now? Minoritarianism is a religious ideology. Its gospel has been/is being spread. And its believers are many, powerful and incredibly destructive.

    Non-believers--i.e. normal people--need to separate themselves from these believers. Minoritarians are parasites upon Western nations. We need to get them off us, separate ourselves form them--by any means necessary. Or we die.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Prester John

    “Minoritarianism and its running buddy immigrationism is a religion.”

    Always was…always will be.

  22. Several years ago, I ran across a newspaper story noting that being murdered on the job made up a higher percentage of deaths at work for women than for men. A close inspection of the reported statistics made it clear that women were less likely than men to be murdered at work, but also even less likely than men to die at work from other causes (like accidents).

    I assume a similar pattern is at work here: police shootings make up a higher percentage of white homicide deaths because whites murder each other at a lower rate, and in general are less likely to die by homicide at anyone’s hands.

  23. @AnotherDad

    This is a little off topic, but what accounts for the difference in Pakistani immigrants to the UK and U.S. respectively?

    In the U.S., Pakistanis tend to be Medical Doctors or something similar, while in the UK they’re the “Asians” which engage in street crime and gang activities.
     
    British Empire and oceans.

    Treasonous UK elites instead of protecting their people from modern transportation allowed post-War "labor shortage" (LOL) cheap labor grubbing from their precious "Empire". The mills took in huge numbers from Pakistan, apparently particularly from Mirpur a poor district off in the boonies of Pakistan's slice of Kashmir. Immigrating from their became a "thing"--cultivating local knowledge of how to do it--as with some villages in Mexico sending lots of people to the US. Then the men sent for their women and ... you're off to the races. Of course, a decade--or less--later its clear the mills are uncompetitive, didn't really "need" all this foreign labor, and shut down. But the damage has been done.

    Brits can probably add info, but I think that's the gist of it. And why the Pakis but not the Indians are up in Yorkshire and the Midlands, while the Indians seem to be more around London.


    In the US, Pakis like Indians, can't hop the fence, and did not come to labor. (There are Sikhs in Canada who did. I've got a friend from grad school whose family came to B.C. long ago to work in the woods.) Most subcons originally got here by coming to school here on an F1, then finding a job, getting a green card. There's some family chain migration after that--particularly in the Gujarati "Patel Motel" type communities, similar Paki communities and probably with the Sikhs. But your typical Indian/Pakistani probably got here through some sort of college--or college educated career--path.

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Frau Katze

    I say Canada, the USA and the UK would have been better off without them.

  24. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @AnotherDad


    But in Europe, crime has exploded precisely because of immigrants. It brings in people with lower IQ, lower conscientiousness, higher time preference–i.e. more criminal–and plops them down in a high-trust society they are alienated from. Immigration is crime creation.
     
    This is a little off topic, but what accounts for the difference in Pakistani immigrants to the UK and U.S. respectively?

    In the U.S., Pakistanis tend to be Medical Doctors or something similar, while in the UK they're the "Asians" which engage in street crime and gang activities.

    Is there something about the UK immigration system that selects for the worst Pakistanis, and the U.S. system the best? I can't imagine anything about the U.S. system that would knowingly be beneficial to the U.S. when it could otherwise be a detriment.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Drywall Hammer

    Is there something about the UK immigration system that selects for the worst Pakistanis, and the U.S. system the best?

    I think that the UK just got a lot more Pakistanis than the US. They got a mix of educated professionals and lower class ones. Don’t ask me why anyone thought that was a good idea.

    In the US, most Pakistanis are educated professionals immigrating legally.

  25. @Hypnotoad666

    Why are the cops shooting so many whites relative to the the threat that whites are in and/or pose?
     
    Whites run slower?

    Replies: @Yancey Ward, @Joe Joe

    And they don’t zig zag as much.

  26. @AnotherDad

    This is a little off topic, but what accounts for the difference in Pakistani immigrants to the UK and U.S. respectively?

    In the U.S., Pakistanis tend to be Medical Doctors or something similar, while in the UK they’re the “Asians” which engage in street crime and gang activities.
     
    British Empire and oceans.

    Treasonous UK elites instead of protecting their people from modern transportation allowed post-War "labor shortage" (LOL) cheap labor grubbing from their precious "Empire". The mills took in huge numbers from Pakistan, apparently particularly from Mirpur a poor district off in the boonies of Pakistan's slice of Kashmir. Immigrating from their became a "thing"--cultivating local knowledge of how to do it--as with some villages in Mexico sending lots of people to the US. Then the men sent for their women and ... you're off to the races. Of course, a decade--or less--later its clear the mills are uncompetitive, didn't really "need" all this foreign labor, and shut down. But the damage has been done.

    Brits can probably add info, but I think that's the gist of it. And why the Pakis but not the Indians are up in Yorkshire and the Midlands, while the Indians seem to be more around London.


    In the US, Pakis like Indians, can't hop the fence, and did not come to labor. (There are Sikhs in Canada who did. I've got a friend from grad school whose family came to B.C. long ago to work in the woods.) Most subcons originally got here by coming to school here on an F1, then finding a job, getting a green card. There's some family chain migration after that--particularly in the Gujarati "Patel Motel" type communities, similar Paki communities and probably with the Sikhs. But your typical Indian/Pakistani probably got here through some sort of college--or college educated career--path.

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Frau Katze

    Re: Sikhs in Canada

    A group came at end of the 19th century. My understanding is that it was a reward for siding with the British in the Indian uprising.

    They’re a small minority in India and don’t particularly get along with the majority Hindus. So they did not participate in the uprising, in fact they are sided with the British.

    However there weren’t that many that came at the time.

  27. OT: New Zealand health official who released anonymized data showing mass vaccine deaths is jailed.

    • Replies: @Yancey Ward
    @Hypnotoad666

    Poor bastard called himself Winston Smith, so it is the rat and the cage for him.

    , @res
    @Hypnotoad666

    Thanks. Here is an extended discussion of the data and analysis. By the author of that tweet.
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new

    Another analysis with some discussion of the "bad batch" idea.
    https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/the-new-zealand-vaccine-data-what

    Here is a direct link to the referenced article.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.html

    The political aspect between the old and new governments appears interesting.


    Labour leader Chris Hipkins was asked about the data breach on Monday morning and told media it was "concerning".

    "All government agencies who hold people's personal information do so with a degree of trust from the public and they need to very scrupulously make sure they're protecting that data, so this is very concerning. I'm sure they will need to look at how one person was able to do this in the first place," Hipkins said.

    "But I am pretty concerned about the momentum building behind some of these conspiracy theories."

    Hipkins hit out at the new Government saying momentum is growing for conspiracy theorists because of some of their policies.

    "The new government certainly seem to be giving a bit of a nod to the conspiracy theorist. So things like their reservations about World Health Organization actually putting in place steps to stop future pandemics I think that will embolden the conspiracy theorist," he said.
     

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  28. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: New Zealand health official who released anonymized data showing mass vaccine deaths is jailed.

    https://twitter.com/stkirsch/status/1731441752353984845?s=20

    Replies: @Yancey Ward, @res

    Poor bastard called himself Winston Smith, so it is the rat and the cage for him.

  29. • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Those Trans European guys worry me. Do you want Admiral Levine dealing in arms? How about Jennifer Pritzker? I didn't think so.

  30. The total number of Indians and Pakistanis in Western nations should be zero. And yeah, I know there are a few good ones. But it should still be zero.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  31. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @AnotherDad


    But in Europe, crime has exploded precisely because of immigrants. It brings in people with lower IQ, lower conscientiousness, higher time preference–i.e. more criminal–and plops them down in a high-trust society they are alienated from. Immigration is crime creation.
     
    This is a little off topic, but what accounts for the difference in Pakistani immigrants to the UK and U.S. respectively?

    In the U.S., Pakistanis tend to be Medical Doctors or something similar, while in the UK they're the "Asians" which engage in street crime and gang activities.

    Is there something about the UK immigration system that selects for the worst Pakistanis, and the U.S. system the best? I can't imagine anything about the U.S. system that would knowingly be beneficial to the U.S. when it could otherwise be a detriment.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Drywall Hammer

    Bringing in Pakistani doctors IS knowingly detrimental to the U.S. They displace White doctors. They bring White salaries down. They take White places in our medical schools. They bring their families here, and soon enough their stupid cousins.

    Given the obvious animosity that our rulers have for Whites, from affirmative action to mass immigration over the Mexican border, legal non-White immigration can only be seen as another knife in the back. Connect the dots.

    -Discard

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Elli
    @Drywall Hammer

    Roughly 16,000 physicians have graduated every year in the US since 1980, as the population has increased by 40% or so, and has gotten older. Medicine has become more complex and specialized. We need more doctors. Our solution has been to recruit foreign doctors when we need more medical schools. There was a big increase in the 60s and 70s, but it stopped.

    We harm ourselves, and the countries that lose their bright fraction suffer too.

    The same is true for nursing. The hospital execs cry nursing shortage, petition congress for an increase in visas. They don't like the costs of training new grads. Many used to have in house nursing schools. That is now rare.

    When the smart fraction arrives, their children compete for admission to the top schools, which haven't increased their enrollment. So everyone has to grind like an Asian to get in, and the pressure works its way down the levels.

    But we didn't need to grind like Asians to be wonderfully innovative throughout the 20th century. You don't need a huge population to compete, only a decent smart fraction.

  32. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: New Zealand health official who released anonymized data showing mass vaccine deaths is jailed.

    https://twitter.com/stkirsch/status/1731441752353984845?s=20

    Replies: @Yancey Ward, @res

    Thanks. Here is an extended discussion of the data and analysis. By the author of that tweet.
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new

    Another analysis with some discussion of the “bad batch” idea.
    https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/the-new-zealand-vaccine-data-what

    Here is a direct link to the referenced article.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.html

    The political aspect between the old and new governments appears interesting.

    Labour leader Chris Hipkins was asked about the data breach on Monday morning and told media it was “concerning”.

    “All government agencies who hold people’s personal information do so with a degree of trust from the public and they need to very scrupulously make sure they’re protecting that data, so this is very concerning. I’m sure they will need to look at how one person was able to do this in the first place,” Hipkins said.

    “But I am pretty concerned about the momentum building behind some of these conspiracy theories.”

    Hipkins hit out at the new Government saying momentum is growing for conspiracy theorists because of some of their policies.

    “The new government certainly seem to be giving a bit of a nod to the conspiracy theorist. So things like their reservations about World Health Organization actually putting in place steps to stop future pandemics I think that will embolden the conspiracy theorist,” he said.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @res

    Thanks, Res. It sounds like there were some batches with crazy-high death rates. To say 100% if that's due to bad vaccine and not due to something unrepresentative about who got those batches, you'd just need a little extra data on the recipients. What are the odds the government says "let's clear this up, here's the missing data. Now let's run the numbers and we'll show you how there's no safety signal." LOL.

    Nah, they'll just put the whistleblower in jail and say that government "experts" believe there is nothing to see.

  33. Interesting statistics.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don't understand. Is that chart saying that 80 year old Amish women have babies?

    I find that hard to believe.

  34. @JohnnyWalker123
    Interesting statistics.

    https://twitter.com/ComteWasRight/status/1727562888972235218

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1727657294127608255

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    I don’t understand. Is that chart saying that 80 year old Amish women have babies?

    I find that hard to believe.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  35. @res
    @Hypnotoad666

    Thanks. Here is an extended discussion of the data and analysis. By the author of that tweet.
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new

    Another analysis with some discussion of the "bad batch" idea.
    https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/the-new-zealand-vaccine-data-what

    Here is a direct link to the referenced article.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/12/former-te-whatu-ora-worker-barry-young-appears-in-court-accused-of-illegally-accessing-vaccine-database.html

    The political aspect between the old and new governments appears interesting.


    Labour leader Chris Hipkins was asked about the data breach on Monday morning and told media it was "concerning".

    "All government agencies who hold people's personal information do so with a degree of trust from the public and they need to very scrupulously make sure they're protecting that data, so this is very concerning. I'm sure they will need to look at how one person was able to do this in the first place," Hipkins said.

    "But I am pretty concerned about the momentum building behind some of these conspiracy theories."

    Hipkins hit out at the new Government saying momentum is growing for conspiracy theorists because of some of their policies.

    "The new government certainly seem to be giving a bit of a nod to the conspiracy theorist. So things like their reservations about World Health Organization actually putting in place steps to stop future pandemics I think that will embolden the conspiracy theorist," he said.
     

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Thanks, Res. It sounds like there were some batches with crazy-high death rates. To say 100% if that’s due to bad vaccine and not due to something unrepresentative about who got those batches, you’d just need a little extra data on the recipients. What are the odds the government says “let’s clear this up, here’s the missing data. Now let’s run the numbers and we’ll show you how there’s no safety signal.” LOL.

    Nah, they’ll just put the whistleblower in jail and say that government “experts” believe there is nothing to see.

  36. @mikeInThe716
    Based on my anecdotal YouTube viewing of police shootings, your suicide-by-cop theory seems sound.

    OT: There are rumors that YouTube plans to seriously restrict shooting videos. My guess is that almost all police body-cam interactions have an obvious narrative that's unsympathetic to the vibrant class.

    Replies: @Rob Lee

    Raw body camera footage is precisely what got the reality TV show ‘Cops’ bounced off A&E a few years ago. Community activists thought that by fitting mandatory body cameras on cops, they’d catch a lot of racist behavior, but a significant majority of the raw footage showed just the opposite – police exhibiting remarkable restraint in the face of notably feral behavior.

  37. @Hypnotoad666

    Why are the cops shooting so many whites relative to the the threat that whites are in and/or pose?
     
    Whites run slower?

    Replies: @Yancey Ward, @Joe Joe

    Whites are easier to see and shoot at in the dark 😉

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Joe


    Whites are easier to see and shoot at in the dark 😉
     
    Not necessarily:


    https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iq92SZ9xBve0/v1/-1x-1.jpg

    Replies: @Joe Joe

  38. @Drywall Hammer
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Bringing in Pakistani doctors IS knowingly detrimental to the U.S. They displace White doctors. They bring White salaries down. They take White places in our medical schools. They bring their families here, and soon enough their stupid cousins.

    Given the obvious animosity that our rulers have for Whites, from affirmative action to mass immigration over the Mexican border, legal non-White immigration can only be seen as another knife in the back. Connect the dots.

    -Discard

    Replies: @Elli

    Roughly 16,000 physicians have graduated every year in the US since 1980, as the population has increased by 40% or so, and has gotten older. Medicine has become more complex and specialized. We need more doctors. Our solution has been to recruit foreign doctors when we need more medical schools. There was a big increase in the 60s and 70s, but it stopped.

    We harm ourselves, and the countries that lose their bright fraction suffer too.

    The same is true for nursing. The hospital execs cry nursing shortage, petition congress for an increase in visas. They don’t like the costs of training new grads. Many used to have in house nursing schools. That is now rare.

    When the smart fraction arrives, their children compete for admission to the top schools, which haven’t increased their enrollment. So everyone has to grind like an Asian to get in, and the pressure works its way down the levels.

    But we didn’t need to grind like Asians to be wonderfully innovative throughout the 20th century. You don’t need a huge population to compete, only a decent smart fraction.

  39. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/SIPRIorg/status/1731569068564455786

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Those Trans European guys worry me. Do you want Admiral Levine dealing in arms? How about Jennifer Pritzker? I didn’t think so.

  40. @AnotherDad
    No deep analysis was ever necessary. This jihad was not just bogus--but obviously, undeniably bogus-- from the get go. A simply ration suffices.

    Blacks were running about 30% of (American) police shootings--about twice their (young male) population %--but commit a much higher proportion of violent crime. Homicide is perhaps the best--and most easily counted--correlation with the "asshole waving a gun around" scenario that gets criminals shot. And blacks were through the roof in that department--50%+ of American homicides--even before Saint George's OD.

    This whole vile anti-white shitshow has basically nothing to do with blacks. This is your nation on minoritarianism. The people pushing this toxic anti-white, anti-national, anti-civilization ideology need to be toss out of our nation--of any nation. Let them pickle themselves in their toxic brew in their own separate nation away from us.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Corvinus

    “This is your nation on minoritarianism. The people pushing this toxic anti-white, anti-national, anti-civilization ideology need to be toss out of our nation–of any nation”

    Same tired message on your part. Doesn’t move the needle. Direct action is needed on your part, not virtue signaling.

    Now, it is more likely that the white person who gets shot by the police is a lower IQ thug (no loss—don’t blame me, blame HbD) OR someone with a mental illness (which more needs to be done to help this group out, but the GOP cuts funding for treatment and support).

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    @Corvinus


    but the GOP cuts funding for treatment and support
     
    Your virtue whining doesn’t move the needle either — direct action with a PERSON suffering with mental illness is what’s needed. One person can make a difference in one other person’s life.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  41. Wait until our intrepid media find out that black women have a higher murder rate than white men. It is extremely rare, almost unheard of in recorded history, for any female cohort to murder at a higher rate than a male cohort. Editors will love this man bites dog story. They’ll scream “get me rewrite!” and tear up the front page. It’s gonna be great.

  42. @anon
    Relevant, from 2015:

    >...we find that most black suspects killed by cops are 1. armed, either with gun or automobile 2. shot by black cops 3. had prior arrest records or 4. are mentally ill (and thus more likely to behave erratically around cops).

    Furthermore, a meta-analysis of simulations testing police use of deadly force, which was quickly shoved down the memory hole by Hivemind information gatekeepers, found that police reacting to threatening scenarios are biased IN FAVOR of black suspects and AGAINST white suspects. [...]

    --When confronted by an armed white person, participants took an average of 1.37 seconds to fire back. Confronted by an armed black person, they took 1.61 seconds to fire and were less likely to fire in error. The 24-millisecond difference may seem small, but it’s enough to be fatal in a shooting. […]

    “…there is some evidence from the field to support the proposition that an officer’s threat bias could cause him or her to tend to take more time to make decisions to shoot people whom they subconsciously perceived as more threatening because of race or ethnicity. This behavioral ‘counter-bias’ might be rooted in people’s concerns about the social and legal consequences of shooting a member of a historically oppressed racial or ethnic group.“>
    ***

    Basically, cops are afraid to be targeted by the jmedia spotlight and an anti-White corrupt DOJ if they shoot a nonwhite suspect. But no one gives a shit if a White suspect is killed by a cop.

    https://heartiste.org/2015/10/13/the-black-lives-matter-narrative-is-bogus/

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    “…there is some evidence from the field to support the proposition that an officer’s threat bias could cause him or her to tend to take more time to make decisions to shoot people whom they subconsciously perceived as more threatening because of race or ethnicity. This behavioral ‘counter-bias’ might be rooted in people’s concerns about the social and legal consequences of shooting a member of a historically oppressed racial or ethnic group.“>

    I guess that cops prefer to increase their own odds of getting shot and killed by criminals than to risk getting the Chauvin treatment, eh?

  43. while the contrary black tendency toward homicidality helps gets them shot by scared cops more.

    Which, unfortunately, is perfectly rational if the cop perceives an imminent threat to themselves and/or others. If a young black man refuses to follow police instructions and reaches for something in their pocket or car, it would be rational for a cop to shoot more quickly than they would if an old Asian women exhibited the very same behavior. It’s very sad but it’s life because young black men are, on average, much more dangerous than old Asian women are and cops are not God and thus can’t immediately look into people’s souls on every single occasion.

    Just like it makes sense to prevent a minor-attracted person without any criminal record (even in a scenario where child sex dolls/robots are made legal) from becoming a teacher. They might never harm any kids, but the risk of them doing so could still be perceived as being too high to warrant taking this risk in the first place.

  44. If you are a cop and you shoot and kill a white person out of fear, incompetence, or negligence, you might get in serious trouble. If it was justified you should be alright.

    If you shoot a black person for any reason you will have your career and life ruined. You might end up a national object of hatred. If you are sent to prison you will likely get shivved with the full approval of the media and a good section of the public.

    Even if you were completely justified and defending your own life and the lives of others.

    This is enough to make cops think twice, and that’s all it takes.

  45. These days the happiest, Saileriest, and most on-topic headline out of Detroit is that homicides are way down — possibly approaching a sixty-year low — following a decision to prosecute crime and do basic police work, which decision is a reversal of a Lockdown-era law forebearance. Unfortunately, the wise talking heads aver, we cannot know what this means or how it happened, nor can we compare it to major cities like Chicago or New York, because those cities are exploiting new federal reporting requirements, which require no reporting. In the absense of such data we have no choice but to assume that Detroit is superior to your current burg and your business should move here before you get (quietly) murdered.
    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2023/12/04/detroit-homicides-guns/71801589007/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    My impression is that Detroit's mayor and police chief kept their heads in the summer of 2020 better than most.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  46. @J.Ross
    These days the happiest, Saileriest, and most on-topic headline out of Detroit is that homicides are way down -- possibly approaching a sixty-year low -- following a decision to prosecute crime and do basic police work, which decision is a reversal of a Lockdown-era law forebearance. Unfortunately, the wise talking heads aver, we cannot know what this means or how it happened, nor can we compare it to major cities like Chicago or New York, because those cities are exploiting new federal reporting requirements, which require no reporting. In the absense of such data we have no choice but to assume that Detroit is superior to your current burg and your business should move here before you get (quietly) murdered.
    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2023/12/04/detroit-homicides-guns/71801589007/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    My impression is that Detroit’s mayor and police chief kept their heads in the summer of 2020 better than most.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    James Craig was probably the then-best police chief in the country, his response to Floydapalooza was both law-enforcement perfect and diplomatically perfect (while cucks knelt, he respected protest while standing, but said from the beginning, if you break a window you will be arrested), and the reason he is not the current governor of Michigan is in-party Republican treachery. He is truly a great man, opposite in gender, race, and virtue to our current local Ardern.
    Mayor Dennis Duggan has been pretty damn good, but his record competes with literal arsonist Coleman Young and self-described thug Kwame Kilpatrick, so he'd win if he just avoided sunlight.

  47. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    My impression is that Detroit's mayor and police chief kept their heads in the summer of 2020 better than most.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    James Craig was probably the then-best police chief in the country, his response to Floydapalooza was both law-enforcement perfect and diplomatically perfect (while cucks knelt, he respected protest while standing, but said from the beginning, if you break a window you will be arrested), and the reason he is not the current governor of Michigan is in-party Republican treachery. He is truly a great man, opposite in gender, race, and virtue to our current local Ardern.
    Mayor Dennis Duggan has been pretty damn good, but his record competes with literal arsonist Coleman Young and self-described thug Kwame Kilpatrick, so he’d win if he just avoided sunlight.

  48. @Joe Joe
    @Hypnotoad666

    Whites are easier to see and shoot at in the dark ;-)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Whites are easier to see and shoot at in the dark 😉

    Not necessarily:

    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg do you remember the Carol Burnett Show episode with Sammy Davis Junior? That skit would be impossible to do now ;-)

    p.s. that toothpaste has been renamed "Darlie" :-(

  49. @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Joe


    Whites are easier to see and shoot at in the dark 😉
     
    Not necessarily:


    https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iq92SZ9xBve0/v1/-1x-1.jpg

    Replies: @Joe Joe

    Reg do you remember the Carol Burnett Show episode with Sammy Davis Junior? That skit would be impossible to do now 😉

    p.s. that toothpaste has been renamed “Darlie” 🙁

  50. ‘My guess is that suicide-by-cop is much more common among whites, while the contrary black tendency toward homicidality helps gets them shot by scared cops more.’

    Also, perhaps cops in white communities are going to have far less experience with seriously dangerous situations, and so are more likely to react inappropriately.

    I knew a guy whose father was chief of police in Coos Bay, Oregon — perhaps a tough town, but decidedly white. Some guy came out on his porch holding a BB gun, and all the cops opened up. No charges resulted, but the chief gave the cops involved a real tongue-lashing. He’d picked up more than sixty shell casings.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Colin Wright

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9lHBZvk3UU

    "The next time I shoot someone..."

  51. @Corvinus
    @AnotherDad

    “This is your nation on minoritarianism. The people pushing this toxic anti-white, anti-national, anti-civilization ideology need to be toss out of our nation–of any nation”

    Same tired message on your part. Doesn’t move the needle. Direct action is needed on your part, not virtue signaling.

    Now, it is more likely that the white person who gets shot by the police is a lower IQ thug (no loss—don’t blame me, blame HbD) OR someone with a mental illness (which more needs to be done to help this group out, but the GOP cuts funding for treatment and support).

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong

    but the GOP cuts funding for treatment and support

    Your virtue whining doesn’t move the needle either — direct action with a PERSON suffering with mental illness is what’s needed. One person can make a difference in one other person’s life.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Jack Armstrong

    "Your virtue whining doesn’t move the needle either — direct action with a PERSON suffering with mental illness is what’s needed."

    Absolutely. That is why funding for treatment is needed.

    "One person can make a difference in one other person’s life."

    Right, but the GOP doesn't see it that way.

  52. @Jack Armstrong
    @Corvinus


    but the GOP cuts funding for treatment and support
     
    Your virtue whining doesn’t move the needle either — direct action with a PERSON suffering with mental illness is what’s needed. One person can make a difference in one other person’s life.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Your virtue whining doesn’t move the needle either — direct action with a PERSON suffering with mental illness is what’s needed.”

    Absolutely. That is why funding for treatment is needed.

    “One person can make a difference in one other person’s life.”

    Right, but the GOP doesn’t see it that way.

  53. @Colin Wright

    'My guess is that suicide-by-cop is much more common among whites, while the contrary black tendency toward homicidality helps gets them shot by scared cops more.'
     
    Also, perhaps cops in white communities are going to have far less experience with seriously dangerous situations, and so are more likely to react inappropriately.

    I knew a guy whose father was chief of police in Coos Bay, Oregon -- perhaps a tough town, but decidedly white. Some guy came out on his porch holding a BB gun, and all the cops opened up. No charges resulted, but the chief gave the cops involved a real tongue-lashing. He'd picked up more than sixty shell casings.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    “The next time I shoot someone…”

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