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Here the 100 counties with the most non-Hispanic white residents ranked in descending order of the homicide victimization rate per 100,000 among whites.

The worst rate is 7.2 in Marion County, Indiana (Indianapolis). Followed by 6.8 in Jackson Co., MO (Kansas City), and 6.7 in Tulsa Co., OK.

An interesting question is what fraction of that 7.2 rate in Indianapolis were killed by other whites? In general, I’d of course say, “Most.” America has got itself pretty well sorted out over the last 60 years since the crime boom of the 1960s that whites don’t get murdered by nonwhites very often anymore, unlike before white flight and the very careful gentrification that has followed

I’m guessing that the lower the white fraction of all the homicides in a county, the lower the percentage of whites killed by other whites. In Marion County, IN 18% of homicide victims were white, while in Tulsa, whites made up 39% of the victims in the county. That metric runs from whites being 5% of homicide victims in #59 Cook County (Chicago, 1.9 white homicide rate) to 76% white in #79 Ada (remote Boise, ID, 1.2). Presumably, a large fraction of the white people murdered in the Boise area were murdered by other whites, while that’s less likely true in Cook County.

But it’s hard to estimate the size of these affects. Tulsa could have a higher white murder perpetration rate than Marion, but I can’t tell for sure from this CDC data (from 2018-21).

The top seven white homicide rates are seen in 2020 red states, while 8-10 are in blue states. But only #10 Philadelphia County (4.9 rate and whites are 6% of homicide victims in the county) is deep blue. I’m guessing that a high proportion of white victims in Philadelphia were murdered by blacks or Puerto Ricans.

Trump carried #9 El Paso County, Colorado (Colorado Springs) and came fairly close in #8 Clark NV (Las Vegas).

Putting on my Albion’s Seed goggles, the top of the list looks pretty Scots-Irish to me. E.g., #12 is Davidson County, TN (4.8) is Nashville. (In case you are wondering, I’m looking at the victim’s residence county rather than where the homicide happened.)

Rank County White Homicide Rate White share of homicides
1 Marion County, IN 7.2 18%
2 Jackson County, MO 6.8 17%
3 Tulsa County, OK 6.7 39%
4 Jefferson County, KY 6.2 23%
5 Bexar County, TX 5.8 18%
6 Oklahoma County, OK 5.3 26%
7 Duval County, FL 5.3 19%
8 Clark County, NV 5.0 27%
9 El Paso County, CO 5.0 42%
10 Philadelphia County, PA 4.9 6%
11 San Bernardino County, CA 4.8 17%
12 Davidson County, TN 4.8 20%
13 Franklin County, OH 4.7 24%
14 Harris County, TX 4.5 12%
15 Brevard County, FL 4.2 47%
16 Volusia County, FL 4.2 49%
17 Broward County, FL 4.1 20%
18 Sacramento County, CA 4.0 26%
19 Dallas County, TX 3.7 10%
20 Montgomery County, TX 3.6 55%
21 Pinellas County, FL 3.6 49%
22 Pima County, AZ 3.6 24%
23 Polk County, FL 3.5 34%
24 Tarrant County, TX 3.5 23%
25 Pierce County, WA 3.5 42%
26 Milwaukee County, WI 3.4 10%
27 Cuyahoga County, OH 3.4 12%
28 Multnomah County, OR 3.2 39%
29 Wayne County, MI 3.2 8%
30 Riverside County, CA 3.2 21%
31 Hillsborough County, FL 3.1 25%
32 Baltimore County, MD 3.1 16%
33 Summit County, OH 3.1 26%
34 Maricopa County, AZ 3.1 26%
35 Denver County, CO 3.1 19%
36 St. Louis County, MO 3.0 11%
37 Jefferson County, CO 2.9 58%
38 Orange County, FL 2.9 15%
39 Spokane County, WA 2.8 69%
40 Los Angeles County, CA 2.8 11%
41 Pasco County, FL 2.8 64%
42 Arapahoe County, CO 2.6 28%
43 Salt Lake County, UT 2.6 47%
44 Hamilton County, OH 2.6 14%
45 Snohomish County, WA 2.6 63%
46 Lee County, FL 2.5 33%
47 Travis County, TX 2.4 27%
48 Alameda County, CA 2.4 11%
49 Fulton County, GA 2.4 6%
50 Allegheny County, PA 2.3 21%
51 Santa Clara County, CA 2.2 27%
52 Douglas County, NE 2.2 27%
53 Cobb County, GA 2.1 23%
54 San Diego County, CA 2.0 29%
55 Contra Costa County, CA 2.0 15%
56 Macomb County, MI 1.9 28%
57 King County, WA 1.9 27%
58 Palm Beach County, FL 1.9 16%
59 Cook County, IL 1.9 5%
60 Mecklenburg County, NC 1.9 9%
61 Collin County, TX 1.8 44%
62 Erie County, NY 1.7 17%
63 Kent County, MI 1.7 24%
64 Johnson County, KS 1.6 55%
65 Hartford County, CT 1.6 22%
66 Monroe County, NY 1.6 15%
67 Oakland County, MI 1.6 28%
68 Montgomery County, MD 1.6 23%
69 Denton County, TX 1.5 33%
70 Plymouth County, MA 1.5 53%
71 Lancaster County, PA 1.5 48%
72 Hennepin County, MN 1.4 18%
73 Bristol County, MA 1.3 50%
74 Orange County, CA 1.3 22%
75 Kings County, NY 1.3 9%
76 Queens County, NY 1.2 9%
77 Montgomery County, PA 1.2 35%
78 Will County, IL 1.2 17%
79 Ada County, ID 1.2 76%
80 Bucks County, PA 1.1 50%
81 Suffolk County, NY 1.1 32%
82 Dane County, WI 1.1 41%
83 Wake County, NC 1.1 19%
84 Lake County, IL 1.1 19%
85 New Haven County, CT 1.0 13%
86 Worcester County, MA 1.0 41%
87 Fairfield County, CT 1.0 18%
88 Ocean County, NJ 0.9 51%
89 Middlesex County, MA 0.8 50%
90 Chester County, PA 0.8 42%
91 Utah County, UT 0.8 62%
92 Monmouth County, NJ 0.8 44%
93 Fairfax County, VA 0.7 20%
94 DuPage County, IL 0.7 23%
95 Westchester County, NY 0.7 16%
96 Essex County, MA 0.7 31%
97 New York County, NY 0.7 11%
98 Norfolk County, MA 0.7 40%
99 Nassau County, NY 0.7 23%
100 Bergen County, NJ 0.6 28%

The bottom nine are all in blue states, with #100 being Bergen County, NJ, a nice NYC suburb across the Hudson River from the Bronx at a homicide rate of 0.6.

The bottom of the list appears to tend to be more Catholic and Jewish than the average.

Noteworthy at 0.7 is #97 New York County (i.e., Manhattan). I’ve been lied to by my Law & Order watching!

As I may have mentioned 200 or 300 times before, NYC underwent a highly successful conservative counterrevolution in law enforcement during a period in which the Democratic nominee for mayor lost five straight elections.

The lowest white homicide rate in a populous county in a red state is #91 Utah County (0.8), which is not home to Salt Lake City, but of Provo, site of BYU: i.e., it’s really Mormon.

Among counties with at least 100,000 whites but not enough to make the top 100 and higher homicide rates than Marion, IN, the highest white homicide rate is 16.3 in Schuylkill County, a coal-mining region in central Pennsylvania. Then comes 12.5 in St. Louis City, which I presume is heavily black-on-white. Then 8.7 in Rock Island County, Illinois (Moline on the Mississippi), Lycoming in central Pennsylvania, and Kanawha in in West Virgina.

So there is approaching an order of magnitude difference in white homicide victimization rates between with most victimized and least victimized metropolitan whites. In the big picture, that’s not much compared to the order of magnitude difference nationally between blacks and whites. But, white Americans naturally think about other white Americans.

Blue Americans think red Americans are maniacs with all their guns and their calls for law and order, while red Americans think blue Americans are insulated and don’t understand the need for law and order.

 
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  1. How many legit white people kill black people every year? I can’t find any stories on this happening. Has to be <10 a year.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Danindc

    I can recall a legit case of white teens hate crime murdering a black man a few years ago, although it may have been more gay bashing than black bashing. It got a certain amount of publicity, but not much because the cops and DA came down on the white kids like a ton of bricks, so it was hard to whip up outrage about it.

    Domestics, drug dealer-customer disputes, white armed robber shoots black security guard, bar fights, sex murders of prostitutes, prisoner shivs guard, whites who grew up in a black environment (e.g., you and your half-black half-sister are raised by her black grandmother after your mother overdoses), prison fights, homeless vs homeless ... motorcycle gangs?

    In general, white criminals seem to try to organize their activities to stay away from white criminals, although some will mix with Latino criminals. On the other hand, lowlifes come together for various reasons, and somebody can wind up dead.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Bardon Kaldian, @Anonymous

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Danindc

    https://www.amren.com/features/2020/12/race-and-crime-who-attacks-whom/

    Race and Crime: Who Attacks Whom?

    https://www.amren.com/blog/2020/09/interracial-crime-in-america-black-on-white-murder-rape/

    The Facts About Race and Crime

    , @Hibernian
    @Danindc

    Probably almost all by LEOs, and don't tell me none of those are legitimate.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    , @James B. Shearer
    @Danindc

    "...Has to be <10 a year."

    There are going to be more than that by law enforcement officers. Note these are homicide rates which don't distinguish between lawful and unlawful killings. Probably some lawful killings by civilians also. And there are a few unlawful killings, when I lived in Westchester there was a black guy killed by a white guy in an argument over parking.

    , @Rob McX
    @Danindc

    Here's a real black swan event for you. White girl stabs black boyfriend to death, while hurling racist slur at him.


    https://media.radaronline.com/brand-img/nF-Ma3-Ob/2160x1130/only-fans-model-her-bf-pp-1649429130803-1667412321553.jpg

    Replies: @Bill P, @Anon

    , @Gore 2004
    @Danindc

    A lot.

    It happens.

    Everyone kills everyone.

    Whites kill blacks, blacks kill whites, vice versa.

    America has a lot of crime, that is the problem.

    Replies: @Danindc

    , @Art Deco
    @Danindc

    I think where they can identify the race of perpetrator and victim, about 4% of all homicides feature a non-black perpetrator and a black victim. (Uniform Crime Reports). My guess would be that north of 1/3 of those perpetrators are mestizo.

    Replies: @Danindc

  2. Ah, to be a white person killed by another white person.

    That’s the dream, right boys and girls?

    • Replies: @Kim
    @Polistra

    I recognize the attempt at snark but it fails for me bcs I can't see the point you might be trying to make.

  3. St Louis and Baltimore cities didn’t make the list, nor San Francisco, nor a single parish of Louisiana. Virginia is represented by Fairfax alone– none of the Commonwealth’s “independent cities”.

    Which of these 100 counties has the fewest whites? What is the cutoff?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar


    What is the cutoff?
     
    Spot checking, it looks like about 400k, i.e., just above San Francisco.

    Another question is how many actual homicides does this list represent? I think that nationally something like 6000 whites die by homicide per year. So what portion of the 6000 are on this list? And how does that compare with the portion of the national white population on the list?

    My understanding is that the 6000 homicides includes suicides, domestic disputes, and maybe other things in which the deceased arguably has some responsibility. But what I suspect most people reading these lists want to know is, "Where am I least/most likely to be randomly killed though no fault of my own?" If you take out the suicides, domestics, weird manslaughter cases with deceased culpability, etc., how many of the 6000 are left?

    I've argued elsewhere that the interracial murders (which likely skew "random") of whites by blacks are at least 400/year, very likely at least double that, and perhaps quadruple. And that was using pre-BLM/Racial Reckoning numbers. So of 6000 recent white homicides, a big chunk (1000+) are probably death-by-blacks. Pare away the suicides, etc. to look at just the more random and avoidable murders, and avoiding the murdery race is an obvious strategy.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Steve Sailer

  4. Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country? that’s pretty crazy. i lived there from 06 to 09 and it wasn’t like that back then. then again…

    Dutch commando who traveled to the US for urban combat training has died after being shot outside a hotel in Indianapolis

    sounds like they got the training they were looking for. i wonder who shot them…

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Inverness
    @prime noticer


    Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country? that’s pretty crazy.
     
    That's not quite what it's saying.

    It's just that not so many whites venture into East St. Louis or Camden NJ.

    Plus Steve is looking at place of residence..

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Dr. X
    @prime noticer


    i wonder who shot them…
     
    "Shamar Duncan" is the suspect.

    https://fox59.com/indiana-news/police-prosecutor-give-update-on-downtown-indianapolis-shooting-that-killed-dutch-soldier/

    , @Almost Missouri
    @prime noticer


    Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country?
     
    Not in the the entire country, just among the top 100 white-inhabited counties. In other words, among the places where whites cluster the most, which one suffers the most homicide? Answer: Indianapolis.

    And this list is by address of the deceased rather than by location of the homicide. I wonder how much different the list would be if it were by the latter? I guess the methodological problem is that then you would be comparing a list of where whites most die by homicide versus a list of where whites live, and then they wouldn't be the same list. Still, there might be some interesting things you could do with that. It would be a way to remove from Steve's OP list the places where residents are killed elsewhere even if their residences happen to be there, for instance. That would make counties that border much worse cities look less dangerous, I suppose.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Muggles
    @prime noticer


    sounds like they got the training they were looking for. i wonder who shot them…
     
    As I vaguely recall, it was Blacks.
    , @ATBOTL
    @prime noticer

    Indianapolis has huge and explosively growing black population and a murder rate twice as high as Chicago. Hordes of blacks from Chicago and Detroit are relocating there.

  5. Blue Americans think red Americans are maniacs with all their guns and their calls for law and order, while red Americans think blue Americans are insulated and don’t understand the need for law and order.

    Although I’m neither blue nor red, I think you’ve missed a lot of “blue people.” specifically I’m talking about the large cohort which are themselves criminals, or criminal-adjacent…

    And the large cohort which supports them for doing the dirty work of bashing whitey literally rather than just with words and laws…

  6. every year i drive from Denver -> Kansas City -> St Louis -> Indianapolis -> Pittsburgh, and back again.

    when i made this trip in 2020, i posted on iSteve that the 3 middle cities on this route were all having record murder rates, and that i talked with 2 friends in Indianapolis, a police officer and a doctor, about the escalating situation there. sounds like it only got worse.

    Vegas has always been somewhat dangerous. when i lived there from 02 to 06, it seemed like the police killed 3 or 4 people every month. LVPD went out of their way to secure the Strip, but it’s still a target for killings once every few years. some illegal alien hacked up the Strip this year. things may be worse now that the Raiders moved there, and brought in the NFL element.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @prime noticer


    Vegas has always been somewhat dangerous
     
    Stephen Paddock* may have single-handedly goosed up Las Vegas's numbers. That shooting was sort of a white-on-white 9-11.

    The post doesn't say which years the stats are from, but if it's like the black homicides post, it starts in 2018, which excludes the Paddock Effect.

    ---------

    *Assuming he was the killer. The investigation was unusually incompetent.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Sick n' Tired
    @prime noticer

    Vegas filled up with a lot of transients during the construction boom years in the late 90s, then a lot of trash who got priced out of California, especially around the LA/So Cal areas during the housing bust in 09. Now with legal weed and a trashy NFL team, it's gotten inherently more ghetto. I was there for 4 days in 2019, pre-covid, and it was about 3 days too many for me.

    , @magilla
    @prime noticer

    Metro is the new LAPD--not enough cops, so they rule by swift, overwhelming, and decisive violence.

  7. Re the last paragraph, the correct version is that blue Americans are ladder-kicking wannabe-elitist parasites who want to end class mobility, and increasing crime in other areas while quietly benefitting from good policy at home serves that purpose. They can’t make their world better so they seek to make your world worse. They want you to die violently and they think it’s funny. In case that sounds like hyperbole, there are abundant tweets, standup jokes, and scenes in movies and tv shows in which the backward Trump supporter gets his rightful comeuppance. Sometimes there is no political context, just purely racial context, like the hand-rubbing video game commercial in which a black kid and a white kid (who are clearly friends and not arguing) jostle, and the black kid knocks the white kid down like a man accidentally checking a boy. They want you to die, they think it’s funny, and “election week” instead of election day means cheating.
    ——
    OT Documents available at
    http://brazilwasstolen.com/en/
    strongly suggest manipulation of older votimg machines. Highly irregular, or rather perfectly regular, results look an awful lot like Joe Biden’s fake victory. All these Red Wavers celebrating early may be embarrassed. A website set up by Akamai (possible US intel tie) is admonishing Brazilians to accept the results and “move on.” It is literally illegal in Brazil proper to question election results (!) so the campaign is waged from Argentina.

    • Thanks: Renard
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @J.Ross


    They can’t make their world better so they seek to make your world worse. They want you to die violently and they think it’s funny. In case that sounds like hyperbole, there are abundant tweets, standup jokes, and scenes in movies and tv shows in which the backward Trump supporter gets his rightful comeuppance.
     
    Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location. Paid for with your tax dollars. So the "ladder-kicking" is not just symbolic, they're really trying to injure you.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

  8. @Danindc
    How many legit white people kill black people every year? I can’t find any stories on this happening. Has to be <10 a year.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian, @Hibernian, @James B. Shearer, @Rob McX, @Gore 2004, @Art Deco

    I can recall a legit case of white teens hate crime murdering a black man a few years ago, although it may have been more gay bashing than black bashing. It got a certain amount of publicity, but not much because the cops and DA came down on the white kids like a ton of bricks, so it was hard to whip up outrage about it.

    Domestics, drug dealer-customer disputes, white armed robber shoots black security guard, bar fights, sex murders of prostitutes, prisoner shivs guard, whites who grew up in a black environment (e.g., you and your half-black half-sister are raised by her black grandmother after your mother overdoses), prison fights, homeless vs homeless … motorcycle gangs?

    In general, white criminals seem to try to organize their activities to stay away from white criminals, although some will mix with Latino criminals. On the other hand, lowlifes come together for various reasons, and somebody can wind up dead.

    • Thanks: Danindc
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Steve Sailer


    In general, white criminals seem to try to organize their activities to stay away from white criminals
     
    Stay away from black criminals, surely?
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    These data are obsolete, but for 2019:
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
    blacks constituted 17.1% of those who murdered whites, while whites made up 0.8% of those who murdered blacks.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    In general, white criminals seem to try to organize their activities to stay away from white criminals, although some will mix with Latino criminals. On the other hand, lowlifes come together for various reasons, and somebody can wind up dead.
     
    And thanks to what amounts to an unofficial police strike due directly to "defund the police" initiatives across the country (It’s okay, guys! From now on, we’ll just watch!) , your average murderer is far more likely to get away with it.

    Democrats should change their party symbol from the donkey to a sexy pic of Sharon Tate.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/28644/rate-of-homicides-that-go-unsolved-in-the-us/
  9. So, disproportionately the “We wuz Kangs” sort of whites?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Redneck farmer

    "the 'We wuz Kangs' sort of whites"

    I'm beginning to suspect Steve believes the Scots-Irish are the We wuz Kangs sort of whites. He tends to use them as the violent white control group whilst pouring over homicide statistics with his Albion's Seed goggles. This comparison betwixt the Scots-Irish whites and blacks is patently unfair by at least one metric: the Scots-Irish are much better shots. In terms of the use of violence the Scots-Irish are more controlled and directed than the sloppy, chaotic blacks. And if you don't believe me how's about I show up during your next visit to the grocery store.

  10. Just in case it ever comes up – Bexar county, TX, is pronounce ‘Bear’. The X is silent.

    • Thanks: Rich
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @personfellowindividual

    Ha! You win the coveted • LOL and • Thanks combo award.

    , @Hibernian
    @personfellowindividual

    Why isn't it Bay-har, as in Joy?

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Ron Mexico

  11. Fairfax, Westchester, Nassau, Bergen… these are all “super zip” counties.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Twinkie

    Law and Order for me, but not for thee.

    We saw what happened on Martha's Vineyard.

  12. @personfellowindividual
    Just in case it ever comes up - Bexar county, TX, is pronounce 'Bear'. The X is silent.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Hibernian

    Ha! You win the coveted • LOL and • Thanks combo award.

  13. @prime noticer
    every year i drive from Denver -> Kansas City -> St Louis -> Indianapolis -> Pittsburgh, and back again.

    when i made this trip in 2020, i posted on iSteve that the 3 middle cities on this route were all having record murder rates, and that i talked with 2 friends in Indianapolis, a police officer and a doctor, about the escalating situation there. sounds like it only got worse.

    Vegas has always been somewhat dangerous. when i lived there from 02 to 06, it seemed like the police killed 3 or 4 people every month. LVPD went out of their way to secure the Strip, but it's still a target for killings once every few years. some illegal alien hacked up the Strip this year. things may be worse now that the Raiders moved there, and brought in the NFL element.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Sick n' Tired, @magilla

    Vegas has always been somewhat dangerous

    Stephen Paddock* may have single-handedly goosed up Las Vegas’s numbers. That shooting was sort of a white-on-white 9-11.

    The post doesn’t say which years the stats are from, but if it’s like the black homicides post, it starts in 2018, which excludes the Paddock Effect.

    ———

    *Assuming he was the killer. The investigation was unusually incompetent.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Yes, the data is from 2018-2021, so it misses the Las Vegas massacre. I do recall from murder statistics from that year that it singlehandedly vaulted Las Vegas into Detroit territory.

    Thank God that style of mass shooting hasn't (so far) become a Thing that monsters try to replicate, like Columbine did.

  14. • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous


    What in the heck’s gotten into Newsweek?
     
    It's called "debate". They've been running dueling guest columns for decades. Go back and look; this is probably adjacent to another the polar opposite.

    Though their reaching out to RedState's Jeff Charles is surprising.
  15. OT, or maybe not: Thursday night’s episode of the TV show Law and Order focused on the epidemic of large-scale, unrestrained shoplifting in New York City. A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a “person of color”).

    And a key plot element was that one of the ADAs on the show could have and should have put the murderer away a year or so earlier for armed robbery.

    As Sailer has pointed out, Law and Order used to lean to the left.

    But this episode could have been a campaign commercial for Lee Zeldin.

    Producer Dick Wolf has a sense for the pulse of the country.

    Americans are not happy.

    The election on Tuesday is going to be interesting.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @PhysicistDave


    A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a “person of color”).
     
    Yes, fairly unremarkable. But you're telling us this was depicted on a television show??

    That's not only remarkable, it borders on incredible.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Mr. Anon
    @PhysicistDave


    But this episode could have been a campaign commercial for Lee Zeldin.

    Producer Dick Wolf has a sense for the pulse of the country.

    Americans are not happy.
     
    Anything else that Lee Zeldin and Dick Wolf have in common?
    , @possumman
    @PhysicistDave

    In PG county Md-a grocery store security guard was shot and killed by a female shoplifter the other day--he manage to return fire and she also died--not sure of races involved but I can guess as it was PG Co--a DC suburb, And it was a grocery store with armed security!

    , @Anon
    @PhysicistDave

    No late twist that the perp actually was a white guy wearing a rubber mask?

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @PhysicistDave


    The election on Tuesday is going to be interesting.
     
    Stolen.

    The election on Tuesday is going to be stolen.
    , @Jack P
    @PhysicistDave

    I wouldn't say that necessarily L&O leans left - while they are looking for the great white defendant, the show is also very pro-police and prosecutors.

  16. @Reg Cæsar
    St Louis and Baltimore cities didn't make the list, nor San Francisco, nor a single parish of Louisiana. Virginia is represented by Fairfax alone-- none of the Commonwealth's "independent cities".


    Which of these 100 counties has the fewest whites? What is the cutoff?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    What is the cutoff?

    Spot checking, it looks like about 400k, i.e., just above San Francisco.

    Another question is how many actual homicides does this list represent? I think that nationally something like 6000 whites die by homicide per year. So what portion of the 6000 are on this list? And how does that compare with the portion of the national white population on the list?

    My understanding is that the 6000 homicides includes suicides, domestic disputes, and maybe other things in which the deceased arguably has some responsibility. But what I suspect most people reading these lists want to know is, “Where am I least/most likely to be randomly killed though no fault of my own?” If you take out the suicides, domestics, weird manslaughter cases with deceased culpability, etc., how many of the 6000 are left?

    I’ve argued elsewhere that the interracial murders (which likely skew “random”) of whites by blacks are at least 400/year, very likely at least double that, and perhaps quadruple. And that was using pre-BLM/Racial Reckoning numbers. So of 6000 recent white homicides, a big chunk (1000+) are probably death-by-blacks. Pare away the suicides, etc. to look at just the more random and avoidable murders, and avoiding the murdery race is an obvious strategy.

    • Agree: Renard
    • Replies: @SafeNow
    @Almost Missouri


    Where am I least/most likely to be randomly killed though no fault of my own
     
    Least: In a cop bar.
    Most: Going for a nice brisk morning walk across the street from section-8 housing.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Thanks.

    Suicides aren't part of the CDC's homicide count, except for suicides-by-cop, which are maybe a couple of hundred per year.

    The FBI data and the old Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide report have some % of domestics, but I don't remember them.

    “Where am I least/most likely to be randomly killed though no fault of my own?”

    New York City is worrisome that way because unless you are in the limousine class you will take the subway and walk the crowded street. In, say, Houston you aren't all that exposed to dangerous men unless you choose to get out of your F-150 and associate with them. But in NYC you have to be exposed to huge numbers of people per day, riding around with them underground in a metal box. If the authorities aren't rounding up the scary guys, it's concerning for you even if you never got attacked.

    For example, I knew a young lady who got punched in the head in the 42nd St. subway station at the modern safest time for NYC a few years ago by a local celebrity psycho, the Free Hug Thug Jermaine Himmelstein (IIRC the spelling of his name), who'd been accosting white women for years with a cardboard sign offering "Free Hugs" and then hitting them if they didn't agree to be hugged. He had been profiled in the NYT years before with an article that started off charming and wound up scary and briefly featured in the "Angry Birds" movie. A few months later he punched a Canadian girl in Times Square and the security cam video went viral and he finally got locked up for awhile.

    This helps explain why NYC over a quarter of a century mustered the political will to finally Do Something about street crime.

    Replies: @BosTex

  17. @J.Ross
    Re the last paragraph, the correct version is that blue Americans are ladder-kicking wannabe-elitist parasites who want to end class mobility, and increasing crime in other areas while quietly benefitting from good policy at home serves that purpose. They can't make their world better so they seek to make your world worse. They want you to die violently and they think it's funny. In case that sounds like hyperbole, there are abundant tweets, standup jokes, and scenes in movies and tv shows in which the backward Trump supporter gets his rightful comeuppance. Sometimes there is no political context, just purely racial context, like the hand-rubbing video game commercial in which a black kid and a white kid (who are clearly friends and not arguing) jostle, and the black kid knocks the white kid down like a man accidentally checking a boy. They want you to die, they think it's funny, and "election week" instead of election day means cheating.
    ------
    OT Documents available at
    http://brazilwasstolen.com/en/
    strongly suggest manipulation of older votimg machines. Highly irregular, or rather perfectly regular, results look an awful lot like Joe Biden's fake victory. All these Red Wavers celebrating early may be embarrassed. A website set up by Akamai (possible US intel tie) is admonishing Brazilians to accept the results and "move on." It is literally illegal in Brazil proper to question election results (!) so the campaign is waged from Argentina.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    They can’t make their world better so they seek to make your world worse. They want you to die violently and they think it’s funny. In case that sounds like hyperbole, there are abundant tweets, standup jokes, and scenes in movies and tv shows in which the backward Trump supporter gets his rightful comeuppance.

    Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location. Paid for with your tax dollars. So the “ladder-kicking” is not just symbolic, they’re really trying to injure you.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Almost Missouri

    Yes, the second civil war is happening now, it's a class war, and only one side is fighting.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location. Paid for with your tax dollars. So the “ladder-kicking” is not just symbolic, they’re really trying to injure you.
     
    Spot on.

    This is the most important thing going on in America, the most important thing to understand. They are doing it with crime and welfare policy, with cultural messaging and most importantly with immigration.

    Biden has downloaded three+ million immivaders now and dumped them on deplorable flyovers. DeSantis called attention to this with his Martha's Vineyard ploy ... to much squawking. How dare he? It's not the done thing. "Services aren't available.". The destruction by deludge is for you not them.

    This is why we must raise the issue of separation. It isn't the technical specifics or practicalities. The point is to raise--and hammer at--the core issue of the right to have our communties with our norms and values.

    But after that we need to be honest. We whites are not in great shape and have a lot of work to do:
    -- restoring our traditional culture
    and with that ...
    -- returning to eugenic fertility.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Renard

    , @Mike Tre
    @Almost Missouri

    "Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location."

    I see the process first hand at work, and sadly, I contribute to it. All throughout the more desirable suburbs of Chicago, corporate owned "luxury apartment" complexes are being erected. These are quite literally section 8 housing projects. Once complete, negroes straight from the city move into places where prior to those SC's being constructed, their section 8 allotments weren't high enough to allow them into the area. But now places like Naperville, Orland Park, Arlington Heights - all formerly only within the reach upper upper middle class incomes, are now being heavily populated with feral negroes.

    There are some towns that have been able to deny the construction of these apartment projects - Lisle and Channahon are two townships that I know of - but it's just a matter of time until those places are sued into accepting hordes of useless blacks.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  18. Red county whites are physically and temperamentally different from urban blue whites these days. There didn’t used to be as much of a difference in my vague recollections from my childhood, but people have increasingly sorted themselves.

    You used to see a lot of brawny, masculine white guys who worked and lived in cities, but they’ve all left. Now if they have a job in the city they commute, often a long ways.

    All of my big, strong friends that I can think of left Seattle years ago. Only one remained a democrat, but he works in the public sector. I saw the same thing happen in San Francisco. Between the 90s and the 10s the tougher element (e.g. bikers and such) seemed to fade away.

    Although tough, masculine white guys are more prone to crime and violence, they’re also very good at keeping the peace and getting people to follow the rules. Their absence practically invites delinquency.

    Perhaps these tougher types hold law and order in high esteem because they know something about themselves.

    • Agree: Renard
    • Replies: @guest007
    @Bill P

    If one wants to learn first hand how America works, ask the elevator service tech or the fire alarm technician were he (usually a white male ) lives. They live in the far exurbs of whatever urban area they service. They do not get to have much of a personal life due to extreme commutes and being called in for emergencies.

    , @Jack P
    @Bill P

    East coast cities have some tough, macho white guys. Seattle and San Fran, maybe not though.

  19. @PhysicistDave
    OT, or maybe not: Thursday night's episode of the TV show Law and Order focused on the epidemic of large-scale, unrestrained shoplifting in New York City. A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a "person of color").

    And a key plot element was that one of the ADAs on the show could have and should have put the murderer away a year or so earlier for armed robbery.

    As Sailer has pointed out, Law and Order used to lean to the left.

    But this episode could have been a campaign commercial for Lee Zeldin.

    Producer Dick Wolf has a sense for the pulse of the country.

    Americans are not happy.

    The election on Tuesday is going to be interesting.

    Replies: @Renard, @Mr. Anon, @possumman, @Anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jack P

    A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a “person of color”).

    Yes, fairly unremarkable. But you’re telling us this was depicted on a television show??

    That’s not only remarkable, it borders on incredible.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Renard

    Renard wrote to me:


    [Dave] A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a “person of color”).

    [Reanard] Yes, fairly unremarkable. But you’re telling us this was depicted on a television show??

    That’s not only remarkable, it borders on incredible.
     
    What's remarkable of course is that the Law and Order franchise is huge -- Dick Wolf has been wildly successful with multiple series in the franchise. Wolf knows what the public wants and how to give it to them.

    Thursday night's episode was on the reboot of the original series, the flagship for the franchise.

    The episode touched on all the real issues -- cashless bail, store employees who feel they cannot even try to stop the theft, thieves who do not think they are doing anything wrong, ordinary people blaming the cops but the cops (correctly) pointing out that the fault lies with the politicians and the judges, etc.

    The one concession to the left is that the DA's office was not at fault (the DA on the series is no Alvin Bragg!): the ADA had failed to put the murderer away for the previous armed robbery simply because she was overworked. And one Black cop offered a brief defense of the cashless bail system, but then admitted that it really had simply failed.

    The whole episode could have been a (very well done) GOP campaign ad.

    I doubt Dick Wolf is a Republican. But he does know how the country is feeling.

    And Americans are angry: exactly how angry we will find out in a few days.
  20. @Almost Missouri
    @J.Ross


    They can’t make their world better so they seek to make your world worse. They want you to die violently and they think it’s funny. In case that sounds like hyperbole, there are abundant tweets, standup jokes, and scenes in movies and tv shows in which the backward Trump supporter gets his rightful comeuppance.
     
    Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location. Paid for with your tax dollars. So the "ladder-kicking" is not just symbolic, they're really trying to injure you.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    Yes, the second civil war is happening now, it’s a class war, and only one side is fighting.

  21. @prime noticer
    Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country? that's pretty crazy. i lived there from 06 to 09 and it wasn't like that back then. then again...

    Dutch commando who traveled to the US for urban combat training has died after being shot outside a hotel in Indianapolis

    sounds like they got the training they were looking for. i wonder who shot them...

    Replies: @Inverness, @Dr. X, @Almost Missouri, @Muggles, @ATBOTL

    Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country? that’s pretty crazy.

    That’s not quite what it’s saying.

    It’s just that not so many whites venture into East St. Louis or Camden NJ.

    Plus Steve is looking at place of residence..

    • Agree: Renard
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Inverness

    "That's not quite what it's saying."

    Statistical analysis is the method used by rational right-brained white men to figure out the world. Casting doubt on the numbers invites chaos, followed by a return to entrail-reading. Do you see, white man, how fragile is your reality?

  22. Steve, maybe crank out a simple chart of three lines, 1 to 100 on X axis (ranking counties by ethnic group ) , homicide rate on Y axis, and then map whites, hispanics, blacks. Then can easily make comparisons like that you noted from a NY Times chart about white/black incarceration. Ie, the highest white homicide rate lower than the lowest black homicide rate (or something).

  23. @Danindc
    How many legit white people kill black people every year? I can’t find any stories on this happening. Has to be <10 a year.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian, @Hibernian, @James B. Shearer, @Rob McX, @Gore 2004, @Art Deco

    • Thanks: Thomasina
  24. @Renard
    @PhysicistDave


    A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a “person of color”).
     
    Yes, fairly unremarkable. But you're telling us this was depicted on a television show??

    That's not only remarkable, it borders on incredible.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Renard wrote to me:

    [Dave] A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a “person of color”).

    [Reanard] Yes, fairly unremarkable. But you’re telling us this was depicted on a television show??

    That’s not only remarkable, it borders on incredible.

    What’s remarkable of course is that the Law and Order franchise is huge — Dick Wolf has been wildly successful with multiple series in the franchise. Wolf knows what the public wants and how to give it to them.

    Thursday night’s episode was on the reboot of the original series, the flagship for the franchise.

    The episode touched on all the real issues — cashless bail, store employees who feel they cannot even try to stop the theft, thieves who do not think they are doing anything wrong, ordinary people blaming the cops but the cops (correctly) pointing out that the fault lies with the politicians and the judges, etc.

    The one concession to the left is that the DA’s office was not at fault (the DA on the series is no Alvin Bragg!): the ADA had failed to put the murderer away for the previous armed robbery simply because she was overworked. And one Black cop offered a brief defense of the cashless bail system, but then admitted that it really had simply failed.

    The whole episode could have been a (very well done) GOP campaign ad.

    I doubt Dick Wolf is a Republican. But he does know how the country is feeling.

    And Americans are angry: exactly how angry we will find out in a few days.

  25. @Bill P
    Red county whites are physically and temperamentally different from urban blue whites these days. There didn't used to be as much of a difference in my vague recollections from my childhood, but people have increasingly sorted themselves.

    You used to see a lot of brawny, masculine white guys who worked and lived in cities, but they've all left. Now if they have a job in the city they commute, often a long ways.

    All of my big, strong friends that I can think of left Seattle years ago. Only one remained a democrat, but he works in the public sector. I saw the same thing happen in San Francisco. Between the 90s and the 10s the tougher element (e.g. bikers and such) seemed to fade away.

    Although tough, masculine white guys are more prone to crime and violence, they're also very good at keeping the peace and getting people to follow the rules. Their absence practically invites delinquency.

    Perhaps these tougher types hold law and order in high esteem because they know something about themselves.

    Replies: @guest007, @Jack P

    If one wants to learn first hand how America works, ask the elevator service tech or the fire alarm technician were he (usually a white male ) lives. They live in the far exurbs of whatever urban area they service. They do not get to have much of a personal life due to extreme commutes and being called in for emergencies.

    • Agree: Rich
  26. How about you focus on the damage you did by promoting the insane Covid Lockdowns? Everyone is noticing there is zero self-reflection on that by the Usual Suspects.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, Travis
    • Replies: @Travis
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Without the lockdowns we have no George Floyd riots across the nation. The COVID hysteria resulted in thousands of protests in the summer of 2020, as young Americans had been locked up for months, with all schools, clubs, sport venues, beaches and churches had been shuttered. With all normal social activities being banned for months Americans were only allowed to gather and socialize at the thousands of protests. The pent up anger was allowed to be expressed at the protests.

    Unlike the 2014 BLM protests which were restricted to one metro area, the 2020 protests were held in hundreds of cities across the nation. This was due to the pent up frustrations and civil unrest created by the clampdown which put millions of people out of work and made normal socializing impossible, as indoor gatherings of over ten people were banned and people were forced to wear masks to further alienate Americans and create social upheaval, isolation, anxiety and outrage. With no jobs and no schools to attend Americans had nothing better to do than to attend protests. It was the only venue for large gatherings of Americans....thus the protests spread and attracted millions of Americans to vent their anger. Thus the Ferguson effect spread nationwide due to the clampdowns which allowed Americans to protest in huge numbers, while all other gatherings of people were banned.

  27. Blue Americans think red Americans are maniacs with all their guns and their calls for law and order, while red Americans think blue Americans are insulated and don’t understand the need for law and order.

    This insight, restating the issue in a way that reverses the cause-effect narrative escaped the pseudo-Nobel winning PhD Economist.

    Framed another way, in low crime areas, citizens don’t need guns from criminals, thus, only criminals have and need guns. In high crime areas, law abiding citizens need guns for protection from the criminals.

    Interestingly, the DA from Philly (IIRC) you linked to earlier seemed to get this and also recognize that arrest on *possession* was a prosecution tool that has a disparate impact. Arrest on possession is effective because the prosecution has a prima facia case. Nonetheless WRT to identifying real criminals it can have a high type I error rate.

  28. But it’s hard to estimate the size of these affects.

    “effects”

  29. @Polistra
    Ah, to be a white person killed by another white person.

    That's the dream, right boys and girls?

    Replies: @Kim

    I recognize the attempt at snark but it fails for me bcs I can’t see the point you might be trying to make.

  30. I think each white murder needs to be analyzed – determine if the victim knew the murderer. Calculate a “degrees of separation” number. 1 being the two parties have been in the same room and knew each others name. 2 being, same room in the past, the victim did not know the killers name.

    My guess is that in all murders, the degree of separation is very low. But especially so with white on white murder

  31. @prime noticer
    Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country? that's pretty crazy. i lived there from 06 to 09 and it wasn't like that back then. then again...

    Dutch commando who traveled to the US for urban combat training has died after being shot outside a hotel in Indianapolis

    sounds like they got the training they were looking for. i wonder who shot them...

    Replies: @Inverness, @Dr. X, @Almost Missouri, @Muggles, @ATBOTL

  32. As Steve notes, Indianapolis has a lot of whites that wouldn’t be out of place in Appalachia who tend to be pretty low SES and getting into trouble is just part of the week’s entertainment. That said, I would guess a pretty high percentage of the white homicides were because of family disputes rather than Instagram disses or LARPing as one’s favorite rapper.

  33. The lowest white homicide rate in a populous county in a red state is #91 Utah County (0.8), which is not home to Salt Lake City, but of Provo, site of BYU: i.e., it’s really Mormon

    Not surprising but on the other hand when I worked in Utah my co-workers seemed to all have crazy stories of violent murders that had happened to a relative or neighbor. It was a bizarre undercurrent I have never felt elsewhere in the US. Maybe on the rare occasions when white Mormons do go crazy they really go batshit.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Peter Akuleyev


    when I worked in Utah my co-workers seemed to all have crazy stories of violent murders that had happened to a relative or neighbor.
     
    There are blacks in Utah. There are even black Mormons. Were all of the stories about white Mormon perps? (OTOH, Mormons are pretty well armed, so if they chimp they have the means to do a lot of damage.)
    , @Ralph L
    @Peter Akuleyev

    They were just humble-bragging.

    , @Bill P
    @Peter Akuleyev

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Mormons ... they really go batshit"

    The Mormons have heretical sects that create desert communes in Utah, Arizona, and the Mexican hinterlands where a man can have as many 14 year old brides as he can handle. Mainstream Mormons are management types that serve the deep state well in the FBI and domestic CIA operations. Elon Musk will eventually be tended to by Mormon physicians in a Las Vegas penthouse suite whilst other Mormons skim the cash intake in the count room.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  34. Somewhat OT, Steve – I’m surprised you’ve never dug into the blood feud between the Wagners and the Rhodens which resulted in the massacre of eight Rhodens in 2016. Shot in their beds. Took the State of Ohio four years to figure it out. The Wagners omerta held strong until they all got arrested and Jake decided he wanted to live even if it meant being in maximum security for the rest of his life. Then Angela pled and is testifying too. George IV participated but refused to shoot anybody and is apparently holding out for his ongoing trial. That seems really odd; wouldn’t the prosecutors already offer him an option for life? Nobody involved with this was ever going to walk.

    Papa Wagner will be the last to be tried. Maybe he’s too stubborn or proud to take a plea. Or maybe the prosecutors want to hang at least one of them and won’t negotiate.

    Apparently, the Wagners believed that Jake Wagner’s ex-girlfriend Hanna Rhoden’s boyfriends and possibly others were abusing Jake’s and Hanna’s daughter. Solution: kill Hanna, and kill every Rhoden who could contest them for custody of the daughter or could retaliate against them.

    An astounding crime even by downscale white standards.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Cutter
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    That's not downscale, that's just white-trash.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Almost as astounding as the Adelson-Markel blood feud/custody battle in Northern Florida?

    Kudos to the State of Ohio for cracking the case. The case in Florida is still clunking along, Southern Justice-style.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  35. Marion County is almost devoid of all “nice whites.” Those almost exclusively live in the suburbs in neighboring counties. There are a few historic neighborhoods that border bad parts of town and a relatively small gentrifying downtown that have some upperclass whites.

    The majority of whites that live there are hold overs from working class/lower class neighborhoods like speedway (home of the 500). The segregation isn’t nearly as severe as other places so more mixing or neighborhoods, I’d guess.

    As a whole, Indiana is largely of German decent in the central and northern parts of the state. Some eastern european in the NW. probably more scotss-Irish in the southern hills and river country. Marion county whites are probably more of the latter while the wasps hold down those nice, affluent out-county suburbs.

    With that said, as a former resident (long time ago) I’m a little surprised to see Marion County lead the list. It never struck me as exceedingly dangerous as far as cities go.

  36. @Steve Sailer
    @Danindc

    I can recall a legit case of white teens hate crime murdering a black man a few years ago, although it may have been more gay bashing than black bashing. It got a certain amount of publicity, but not much because the cops and DA came down on the white kids like a ton of bricks, so it was hard to whip up outrage about it.

    Domestics, drug dealer-customer disputes, white armed robber shoots black security guard, bar fights, sex murders of prostitutes, prisoner shivs guard, whites who grew up in a black environment (e.g., you and your half-black half-sister are raised by her black grandmother after your mother overdoses), prison fights, homeless vs homeless ... motorcycle gangs?

    In general, white criminals seem to try to organize their activities to stay away from white criminals, although some will mix with Latino criminals. On the other hand, lowlifes come together for various reasons, and somebody can wind up dead.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Bardon Kaldian, @Anonymous

    In general, white criminals seem to try to organize their activities to stay away from white criminals

    Stay away from black criminals, surely?

  37. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Somewhat OT, Steve - I'm surprised you've never dug into the blood feud between the Wagners and the Rhodens which resulted in the massacre of eight Rhodens in 2016. Shot in their beds. Took the State of Ohio four years to figure it out. The Wagners omerta held strong until they all got arrested and Jake decided he wanted to live even if it meant being in maximum security for the rest of his life. Then Angela pled and is testifying too. George IV participated but refused to shoot anybody and is apparently holding out for his ongoing trial. That seems really odd; wouldn't the prosecutors already offer him an option for life? Nobody involved with this was ever going to walk.

    Papa Wagner will be the last to be tried. Maybe he's too stubborn or proud to take a plea. Or maybe the prosecutors want to hang at least one of them and won't negotiate.

    Apparently, the Wagners believed that Jake Wagner's ex-girlfriend Hanna Rhoden's boyfriends and possibly others were abusing Jake's and Hanna's daughter. Solution: kill Hanna, and kill every Rhoden who could contest them for custody of the daughter or could retaliate against them.

    An astounding crime even by downscale white standards.

    Replies: @Cutter, @Inquiring Mind

    That’s not downscale, that’s just white-trash.

  38. @Danindc
    How many legit white people kill black people every year? I can’t find any stories on this happening. Has to be <10 a year.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian, @Hibernian, @James B. Shearer, @Rob McX, @Gore 2004, @Art Deco

    Probably almost all by LEOs, and don’t tell me none of those are legitimate.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Hibernian

    Steve looked at this a couple of years ago, post Ferguson? Fewer than 20 unarmed blacks killed by police. More Whites killed than blacks.
    Cops, ranked in order of most likely to shoot.
    Black Women Cops
    White Women Cops
    Black Men Cops
    White Men Cops

    but you probably knew that, didn't you?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan

    , @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Hibernian

    LEOs

    "LEOs"? You mean cops?

    Seriously, who the fuck talks like this? You're one of those guys that gets out of the shower to piss, aren't you?

  39. @personfellowindividual
    Just in case it ever comes up - Bexar county, TX, is pronounce 'Bear'. The X is silent.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Hibernian

    Why isn’t it Bay-har, as in Joy?

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Hibernian

    Why isn’t it Bay-har, as in Joy?

    Isn't that how "bear" is pronounced in Texas, accented on the first syllable?

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Hibernian

    Bay-har is how it is pronounced in The Alamo (2004). However, an internet search finds multiple articles confirming Bear (Behr). Who knew?

  40. Damn, I gotta be nicer to the neighbors.

  41. Whites don’t much get murdered by non-whites anymore? It may be just anecdotal stuff but your fellow Unzman “Paul Kersey” — stacked right under you there on the home page — never lacks for brutally scary material.

  42. anonymous[147] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m guessing that the lower the white fraction of all the homicides in a county, the lower the percentage of whites killed by other whites. In Marion County, IN 18% of homicide victims were white, while in Tulsa, whites made up 39% of the victims in the county

    For Tulsa, we have anecdata on the question of what fraction of white victims have a white killer.

    The First 48 has filmed exclusively in Tulsa (city) for several seasons now. With ~30 episodes per year and sometimes 2 cases per episode that is a sizeable fraction of the total homicides in Tulsa. I’d estimate that white victims have a white perpetrator maybe 2/3 of the time, but someone in principal could do the tallying carefully. It appears that Tulsa city accounts for nearly 2/3 of the population of Tulsa county, and both are around 60% white, so probably not much different for the county as a whole.

  43. I expected a solid showing from Los Angeles and environs, given all the bitter spouses and power-hungry business partners meticulously plotting to murder each other on Mannix.

  44. And the odds of you getting away with it have never been better. Who knew that Sailer’s Sway (now there’s an image to conjure with) at ZeroHedge was high enough for them to provide background to his recent topics?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/getting-away-murder-us

    • Thanks: tyrone
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Bill Jones

    How about rape? I mean,just out of curiosity, heh.😉

  45. @Hibernian
    @Danindc

    Probably almost all by LEOs, and don't tell me none of those are legitimate.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Steve looked at this a couple of years ago, post Ferguson? Fewer than 20 unarmed blacks killed by police. More Whites killed than blacks.
    Cops, ranked in order of most likely to shoot.
    Black Women Cops
    White Women Cops
    Black Men Cops
    White Men Cops

    but you probably knew that, didn’t you?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Bill Jones

    What a great commentary on the stupidity and bigotry of filthy,dirty,stinking "civil rights activists!"
    They shriek like LeBron over the poor innocent dindunuffins shot by police. And they scream like banshees about getting rid of white men,and hiring more black women,to make the police more yada yada yada.
    How would you like to be pulled over on a dark street in Nairobi? As compared to,say,Iowa City?
    I wonder about Asians. Are they less likely to shoot,being more contemplative? Or do they freak out like strong black wahmens and let loose?

    Replies: @Gordo

  46. @Peter Akuleyev
    The lowest white homicide rate in a populous county in a red state is #91 Utah County (0.8), which is not home to Salt Lake City, but of Provo, site of BYU: i.e., it’s really Mormon

    Not surprising but on the other hand when I worked in Utah my co-workers seemed to all have crazy stories of violent murders that had happened to a relative or neighbor. It was a bizarre undercurrent I have never felt elsewhere in the US. Maybe on the rare occasions when white Mormons do go crazy they really go batshit.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Ralph L, @Bill P, @SunBakedSuburb

    when I worked in Utah my co-workers seemed to all have crazy stories of violent murders that had happened to a relative or neighbor.

    There are blacks in Utah. There are even black Mormons. Were all of the stories about white Mormon perps? (OTOH, Mormons are pretty well armed, so if they chimp they have the means to do a lot of damage.)

  47. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Somewhat OT, Steve - I'm surprised you've never dug into the blood feud between the Wagners and the Rhodens which resulted in the massacre of eight Rhodens in 2016. Shot in their beds. Took the State of Ohio four years to figure it out. The Wagners omerta held strong until they all got arrested and Jake decided he wanted to live even if it meant being in maximum security for the rest of his life. Then Angela pled and is testifying too. George IV participated but refused to shoot anybody and is apparently holding out for his ongoing trial. That seems really odd; wouldn't the prosecutors already offer him an option for life? Nobody involved with this was ever going to walk.

    Papa Wagner will be the last to be tried. Maybe he's too stubborn or proud to take a plea. Or maybe the prosecutors want to hang at least one of them and won't negotiate.

    Apparently, the Wagners believed that Jake Wagner's ex-girlfriend Hanna Rhoden's boyfriends and possibly others were abusing Jake's and Hanna's daughter. Solution: kill Hanna, and kill every Rhoden who could contest them for custody of the daughter or could retaliate against them.

    An astounding crime even by downscale white standards.

    Replies: @Cutter, @Inquiring Mind

    Almost as astounding as the Adelson-Markel blood feud/custody battle in Northern Florida?

    Kudos to the State of Ohio for cracking the case. The case in Florida is still clunking along, Southern Justice-style.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Inquiring Mind

    The Adelson-Markel feud is a ridiculous mishmash of Jewish and Latino-mystery meat dealings. It always surprises me how stupid and cheap actual hitmen are.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  48. #13 Franklin (Columbus) and #33 Summit (Akron) Counties, Ohio, have many Appalachian refugees. The migration started early in both places, probably in the 1920s, so there are a lot of people three or four generations removed from the hollers.

    The interesting thing about Franklin County is that there is a distinct Appalachian gradient running from high in the southeast (Reynoldsburg, Obetz) to low in the northwest (Dublin, Worthington). But this has moderated over the last 30 years with the rapid development of places like Groveport, where an influx of newcomers is diluting the older redneck element. There just aren’t enough people left in the depressed parts of Appalachia to continue feeding a northern movement.

    I wouldn’t think Schuylkill Co, Penna. would have a lot of Scots-Irish left, but I could be wrong about that. That area was German first; the Scots-Irish showed up around 1720-30 but didn’t stay long. They kind of picked up en masse and headed for backcountry Virginia in the mid-1700s. I thought the anthracite miners in Penna were mostly Welsh and Eastern European.

  49. So in Schuylkill County 9.6% of the population commits 83.7% of the murders. I suppose you can call that a pretty impressive over performance.

    Pennsylvania is a “shall issue state” and Schuylkill county is a very rural area with many enthusiastic gun owners and hunters. There are probably more number of legal guns in their residential households then New York city with 40 times the population. It really is a case of people kill not guns. Hiking in the mountains with European students, worried looks as they hear gun shots from a shooting range, I reassure them “You’re safer here then in my neighborhood.”

    The 5 largest ethnic groups in Schuylkill County, PA are White (Non-Hispanic) (90.4%), Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) (2.71%), White (Hispanic) (2.65%), Two+ (Non-Hispanic) (1.51%), and Other (Hispanic) (1.23%).

    https://datausa.io/profile/geo/schuylkill-county-pa/

  50. How reliable and or consistent are each county’s designation of perps/vics? There are still counties in the south that designate clearly mestizo hispanics as white in their blotters. An oh so inconvenient reality for Ron Unz and his age adjusted snake oil.

  51. @prime noticer
    Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country? that's pretty crazy. i lived there from 06 to 09 and it wasn't like that back then. then again...

    Dutch commando who traveled to the US for urban combat training has died after being shot outside a hotel in Indianapolis

    sounds like they got the training they were looking for. i wonder who shot them...

    Replies: @Inverness, @Dr. X, @Almost Missouri, @Muggles, @ATBOTL

    Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country?

    Not in the the entire country, just among the top 100 white-inhabited counties. In other words, among the places where whites cluster the most, which one suffers the most homicide? Answer: Indianapolis.

    And this list is by address of the deceased rather than by location of the homicide. I wonder how much different the list would be if it were by the latter? I guess the methodological problem is that then you would be comparing a list of where whites most die by homicide versus a list of where whites live, and then they wouldn’t be the same list. Still, there might be some interesting things you could do with that. It would be a way to remove from Steve’s OP list the places where residents are killed elsewhere even if their residences happen to be there, for instance. That would make counties that border much worse cities look less dangerous, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Probably whites in the St. Louis suburb counties are the most likely to get murdered when they come into the city for work or fun. But it's still not a big number. I can recall a murder in Chicago's Loop (one businessman shot his partner) in the 1990s where it explained in the papers that it was the first murder in the Loop in quite a few years.

    Like I say, having a lot of male yuppies walking around is good for street safety. I can recall noticing when watching Chicago local news that when they interviewed some hero bystander who'd rescued somebody from some disaster, the modal hero was some 28 year old white guy who talked like a Big Ten grad who probably had been in a fraternity: basically, Haven Monahan avant la lettre.

    Replies: @Renard

  52. @Danindc
    How many legit white people kill black people every year? I can’t find any stories on this happening. Has to be <10 a year.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian, @Hibernian, @James B. Shearer, @Rob McX, @Gore 2004, @Art Deco

    “…Has to be <10 a year."

    There are going to be more than that by law enforcement officers. Note these are homicide rates which don't distinguish between lawful and unlawful killings. Probably some lawful killings by civilians also. And there are a few unlawful killings, when I lived in Westchester there was a black guy killed by a white guy in an argument over parking.

  53. What if you weeded out vehicular homicides (dui car crashes) and domestics and focused on gang, white supremacist, lone nut, or drug violence homicides, would the data look different?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    I read all of Jill Leovy's LA Times Homicide Blog listings for male 15-29 victims in Los Angeles County in for 2007-2009. White guys tended to be domestics (often murder-suicides), suicides by cop, people involved with drugs, career criminals, white criminals who hung out with Hispanic gangs (probably due to a lack of white gangs in LA County), Armenians and Russians and the like. One punk rock star killed another in a fight over a girl in a parking garage.

    Offhand, I remember one white engineer who was murdered when he chased after the black thieves who stole his iPod, but not too many other black on white killings of clearly innocent young white men. (Of course, young men don't get picked on as much as more vulnerable cohorts do if they're just minding their own business.)

    In 3 years in LA County (population 10 million), there was one case of one suburban white kid killing another in a fight in a high school parking lot. That seemed like the second most likely case to be made into a movie. The most likely was the on-and-off question of whether to charge Michael Jackson's doctor with homicide for injecting him with a heavy anesthetic at his request so he could get some sleep.

    But Los Angeles whites are particularly well-behaved in the 21st Century due to high rent having cleared out the riff-raff.

    Replies: @Bill P, @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Renard

  54. @Peter Akuleyev
    The lowest white homicide rate in a populous county in a red state is #91 Utah County (0.8), which is not home to Salt Lake City, but of Provo, site of BYU: i.e., it’s really Mormon

    Not surprising but on the other hand when I worked in Utah my co-workers seemed to all have crazy stories of violent murders that had happened to a relative or neighbor. It was a bizarre undercurrent I have never felt elsewhere in the US. Maybe on the rare occasions when white Mormons do go crazy they really go batshit.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Ralph L, @Bill P, @SunBakedSuburb

    They were just humble-bragging.

  55. @Hibernian
    @personfellowindividual

    Why isn't it Bay-har, as in Joy?

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Ron Mexico

    Why isn’t it Bay-har, as in Joy?

    Isn’t that how “bear” is pronounced in Texas, accented on the first syllable?

    • LOL: Renard
  56. Off-topic.

    Looks like another academic career is about to come to an end.

    The Culture Transplant: How Migrants Make the Economies They Move To a Lot Like the Ones They Left, by Garett Jones

    In The Culture Transplant, Garett Jones documents the cultural foundations of cross-country income differences, showing that immigrants import cultural attitudes from their homelands―toward saving, toward trust, and toward the role of government―that persist for decades, and likely for centuries, in their new national homes. Full assimilation in a generation or two, Jones reports, is a myth. And the cultural traits migrants bring to their new homes have enduring effects upon a nation’s economic potential.

    Built upon mainstream, well-reviewed academic research that hasn’t pierced the public consciousness, this book offers a compelling refutation of an unspoken consensus that a nation’s economic and political institutions won’t be changed by immigration. Jones refutes the common view that we can discuss migration policy without considering whether migration can, over a few generations, substantially transform the economic and political institutions of a nation. And since most of the world’s technological innovations come from just a handful of nations, Jones concludes, the entire world has a stake in whether migration policy will help or hurt the quality of government and thus the quality of scientific breakthroughs in those rare innovation powerhouses.

    • Thanks: Bardon Kaldlan
    • Replies: @LadyTheo
    @New Dealer

    J.D. Vance would agree whole-heartedly. "Hillbilly Elegy" is a story of Appalachian immigrants to manufacturing centers in Ohio in the early 1900s. Those immigrants took their culture with them--and when the jobs left, the pathology of the culture was all that was left: poor work ethic, lack of impulse control, no inclination to save, a victim mentality.

    Even while the jobs lasted, the behaviors he chronicled are those of, well, hillbillies. It is striking to me how similar are the honor cultures of blacks and the Scots-Irish.

    Also, re: Indianapolis. That is my hometown--I lived there or in the northern counties on and off for half of my life. A white is very likely to be murdered by a black in Indy. There was a series of home invasions in the rich northern Marion County suburbs in the early 2000s, including a murder--not perpetrated by whites. The victims I personally know of were murdered by blacks.

    Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat

    , @Renard
    @New Dealer

    Thanks. I've been saying this for decades, and it seems like the most obvious thing on earth. Import third-world people, import third-world practices and attitudes.

    Few here will be surprised by this notion, but the goodwhites I have known are thrown nearly into cardiac arrest.

    Hey, that gives me an idea.

  57. @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar


    What is the cutoff?
     
    Spot checking, it looks like about 400k, i.e., just above San Francisco.

    Another question is how many actual homicides does this list represent? I think that nationally something like 6000 whites die by homicide per year. So what portion of the 6000 are on this list? And how does that compare with the portion of the national white population on the list?

    My understanding is that the 6000 homicides includes suicides, domestic disputes, and maybe other things in which the deceased arguably has some responsibility. But what I suspect most people reading these lists want to know is, "Where am I least/most likely to be randomly killed though no fault of my own?" If you take out the suicides, domestics, weird manslaughter cases with deceased culpability, etc., how many of the 6000 are left?

    I've argued elsewhere that the interracial murders (which likely skew "random") of whites by blacks are at least 400/year, very likely at least double that, and perhaps quadruple. And that was using pre-BLM/Racial Reckoning numbers. So of 6000 recent white homicides, a big chunk (1000+) are probably death-by-blacks. Pare away the suicides, etc. to look at just the more random and avoidable murders, and avoiding the murdery race is an obvious strategy.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Steve Sailer

    Where am I least/most likely to be randomly killed though no fault of my own

    Least: In a cop bar.
    Most: Going for a nice brisk morning walk across the street from section-8 housing.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @SafeNow

    I'm not sure I agree with this. A cop bar is still a bar where people get drunk and alcohol loosens inhibitions. 2nd, shooty type like to sleep in. Sometimes they may be out all night but once the sun come up, it's bedtime for the denizens of the night so the morning is a good time to go for a walk near the projects.

    OTOH, nothing good ever happens between midnight and sunrise. Lot's of bad stuff but nothing ever good. If a story begins, "At 3:14 AM yesterday morning" then whatever follows is not going to be good.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @SafeNow

  58. In the case of Tulsa, where an unusually high 39% of homicide victims are white, I wonder how many “whites” in Oklahoma are really detribalized mixed blood Indians? And not in the Liz Warren sense but actual significant components of Indian DNA?

    Tribal enrollment in America is a strange and arbitrary thing. Some people with very little (sometimes zero) Indian blood ended up on the tribal rolls (especially but not only after there was casino money in it) and other people with significant Indian blood crossed the color line and ended up being “white”.

    • Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Jack D

    Interestingly, there are a full-blooded Indians in Oklahoma who have no tribal affiliation because they don't have enough blood from any one tribe to qualify as a member (or so I've heard).

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Jack D

    The U. of Oklahoma Heisman-winning quarterback Sam Bradford a decade or so ago looked quite Amerindian. He was kind of puzzled by the attention because he didn't identify as Indian and thought it was just a minor bit of ancestry. I think he turned out to be 1/16th.

    One of the first two Senators from OK was a small bit Indian -- He'd won a $5 million judgment for the Cherokee from the federal government for the Trail of Tears 60 years before.

    The other of the first two Senators was Gore Vidal's blind grandfather, who had a prodigious memory that allowed him to practice law without being able to read.

    Replies: @Gordo

  59. @Peter Akuleyev
    The lowest white homicide rate in a populous county in a red state is #91 Utah County (0.8), which is not home to Salt Lake City, but of Provo, site of BYU: i.e., it’s really Mormon

    Not surprising but on the other hand when I worked in Utah my co-workers seemed to all have crazy stories of violent murders that had happened to a relative or neighbor. It was a bizarre undercurrent I have never felt elsewhere in the US. Maybe on the rare occasions when white Mormons do go crazy they really go batshit.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Ralph L, @Bill P, @SunBakedSuburb

  60. @Steve Sailer
    @Danindc

    I can recall a legit case of white teens hate crime murdering a black man a few years ago, although it may have been more gay bashing than black bashing. It got a certain amount of publicity, but not much because the cops and DA came down on the white kids like a ton of bricks, so it was hard to whip up outrage about it.

    Domestics, drug dealer-customer disputes, white armed robber shoots black security guard, bar fights, sex murders of prostitutes, prisoner shivs guard, whites who grew up in a black environment (e.g., you and your half-black half-sister are raised by her black grandmother after your mother overdoses), prison fights, homeless vs homeless ... motorcycle gangs?

    In general, white criminals seem to try to organize their activities to stay away from white criminals, although some will mix with Latino criminals. On the other hand, lowlifes come together for various reasons, and somebody can wind up dead.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Bardon Kaldian, @Anonymous

    These data are obsolete, but for 2019:
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
    blacks constituted 17.1% of those who murdered whites, while whites made up 0.8% of those who murdered blacks.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks, but I think you dropped a decimal place on whites killing blacks.

    OTOH, 1) some number of those "whites" are actually Hispanics, and 2) they're only counting about half of the homicides.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  61. I spent some time in Florida recently, and I’m not surprised that Florida counties are well represented on that top half of this list. Florida has this weird libertarian vibe that I think works for functional people. But unfortunately, a good portion of Floridians, and all races/ethnicities included here, don’t appear all that functional.

    I’ll throw out a wildly irresponsible theory that Mr. Sailer may enjoy: Marginally functional whites tend to be serious fishermen, and Florida is a fisherman’s paradise that is also relatively affordable. Ergo, a lot of these folks reside in Florida.

    My new favorite t-shirt phrase: What would Florida Man do?

    • Replies: @Renard
    @F. Galton


    Marginally functional whites tend to be serious fishermen
     
    Do you mean that serious fishermen tend to be marginally functional whites? That might make more sense, but even then I'm somewhat skeptical.

    Frankly neither way makes much sense. Maybe "some number of marginally functional whites enjoy fishing."

    Arrr, still not getting it.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @F. Galton

    Florida serves as America's colostomy bag.

  62. @Twinkie
    Fairfax, Westchester, Nassau, Bergen… these are all “super zip” counties.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Law and Order for me, but not for thee.

    We saw what happened on Martha’s Vineyard.

  63. @SafeNow
    @Almost Missouri


    Where am I least/most likely to be randomly killed though no fault of my own
     
    Least: In a cop bar.
    Most: Going for a nice brisk morning walk across the street from section-8 housing.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I’m not sure I agree with this. A cop bar is still a bar where people get drunk and alcohol loosens inhibitions. 2nd, shooty type like to sleep in. Sometimes they may be out all night but once the sun come up, it’s bedtime for the denizens of the night so the morning is a good time to go for a walk near the projects.

    OTOH, nothing good ever happens between midnight and sunrise. Lot’s of bad stuff but nothing ever good. If a story begins, “At 3:14 AM yesterday morning” then whatever follows is not going to be good.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Jack D

    Yeah no way is a cop bar the safest place to be. More likely is senior bingo at a Lutheran church in rural Minnesota.

    , @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Jack D

    Not only that, but cops know they can get away with murder. If Phil Brailsford was acquitted, there's literally nothing a cop won't be acquitted for.

    , @SafeNow
    @Jack D

    Cops at a bar might be off-duty, but they are situationally aware, especially when it comes to the critical thing - - noticing who is entering. This keenness, alertness, is their training and life’s work; they can’t help it; and actually, don’t want to. They are not just guys squirming because of their uncomfortable gun bulges. They’ve got me. I’m safe now. The usual disclosure…I am old…a lot of things have changed.

  64. @Almost Missouri
    @J.Ross


    They can’t make their world better so they seek to make your world worse. They want you to die violently and they think it’s funny. In case that sounds like hyperbole, there are abundant tweets, standup jokes, and scenes in movies and tv shows in which the backward Trump supporter gets his rightful comeuppance.
     
    Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location. Paid for with your tax dollars. So the "ladder-kicking" is not just symbolic, they're really trying to injure you.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location. Paid for with your tax dollars. So the “ladder-kicking” is not just symbolic, they’re really trying to injure you.

    Spot on.

    This is the most important thing going on in America, the most important thing to understand. They are doing it with crime and welfare policy, with cultural messaging and most importantly with immigration.

    Biden has downloaded three+ million immivaders now and dumped them on deplorable flyovers. DeSantis called attention to this with his Martha’s Vineyard ploy … to much squawking. How dare he? It’s not the done thing. “Services aren’t available.”. The destruction by deludge is for you not them.

    This is why we must raise the issue of separation. It isn’t the technical specifics or practicalities. The point is to raise–and hammer at–the core issue of the right to have our communties with our norms and values.

    But after that we need to be honest. We whites are not in great shape and have a lot of work to do:
    — restoring our traditional culture
    and with that …
    — returning to eugenic fertility.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad


    returning to eugenic fertility
     
    Reg Cæsar's upthread question about where the cutoff to the top 100 white counties is got me interested enough to download some 2010 census numbers. (Are they still counting 2020? I couldn't find those data by county and race at census.gov. BTW Reg, the 2010 cutoff is 390k.) The data were divided by sex (the Census hasn't gotten the memo about 57 genders or whatever, thankfully), and it was apparent that the sexes weren't evenly balanced geographically. So, as a public service to white—or other—readers who want to mate with whites, here is a synopsis of the US counties with most "extra" white women and white men. ("White" here means non-Hispanic white, as defined by the Census Bureau.) Hey, News You Can Use!

    county-level name • state • 'extra' white women • white women as % of white men • notes
    Cook County • Illinois • 26717 • 102.4% • metro-Chicago
    Palm Beach County • Florida • 23206 • 106.0% • rich & retired
    Pinellas County • Florida • 23170 • 106.8% • metro-Tampa
    New York County • New York • 23058 • 105.9% • Manhattan
    Maricopa County • Arizona • 21233 • 101.8% • metro-Phoenix
    Essex County • Massachusetts • 20329 • 107.6% • metro-Boston
    Allegheny County • Pennsylvania • 20277 • 104.3% • metro-Pittsburgh
    Middlesex County • Massachusetts • 19982 • 103.5% • metro-Boston
    Suffolk County • New York • 18514 • 103.7% • 1525920 • eastern Long Island
    St. Louis County • Missouri • 17995 • 105.7% • metro-St. Louis

    In general, counties with most 'excess' white women were either Sun Belt retirement zones (which probably skew older, so beyond the fertility window) or—more surprising to me—the metro areas around older Rust Belt cities (Chicago, New York, Boston, St. Louis, Baltimore, Cleveland). I'm not sure what explains the latter group. Women left behind by men seeking fortune in the newer economy? Women demographically widowed by opioids?

    A couple of pattern-outliers were #11 Ocean County NJ (the Jersey Shore) and #12 Tarrant County TX (metro-Fort Worth). Not sure what's going on with those.

    county-level name • state • 'extra' white men • white women as % of white men • notes
    San Diego County • California • 47307 • 93.7% • military
    Los Angeles County • California • 39229 • 97.0% •
    San Francisco County • California • 32237 • 83.0% •
    Clark County • Nevada • 25178 • 94.7% • Las Vegas
    Santa Clara County • California • 23544 • 92.2% • Silicon Valley
    Honolulu County • Hawaii • 22660 • 77.7% • military
    King County • Washington • 22027 • 96.7% • metro-Seattle
    Onslow County • North Carolina • 17162 • 77.3% • military
    Broward County • Florida • 13122 • 96.1% • metro-Miami
    Miami-Dade County • Florida • 11945 • 93.7% •

    The general patterns here were counties with most 'excess' white men were either hosting military bases or were digital economy nerd zones. I don't know what the explanation for Los Angeles, Clark County, Broward and Miami-Dade are.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri, @Steve Sailer

    , @Renard
    @AnotherDad


    We whites are not in great shape and have a lot of work to do
     
    So long as control of the flow of information remains in enemy hands, the task will remain insurmountable.

    And they won't give it up willingly, because everything they have stolen relies on their mastery of propaganda and prevarication.

    So, how can this ever change? Well, it's possible that one man has just spent $44 billion on an experiment. Yes, he's allowing the ADL to help him with the moderation. Ridiculous? What if he's just doing that for (very effective) window dressing, with plans to boot them out next month?

    All that being said, it's hard not to think that Bezos got a better deal buying the Washington Post. What did that cost, $95?

    Google says this.. Okay I was slightly off..


    The paper has flourished under Mr. Bezos' ownership. Since he bought the newspaper in 2013 for $250 million, The Post has added over 200 people to its newsroom, which now numbers 900 journalists, and won plaudits and awards for its coverage of, among other subjects, the Trump administration.
     

    Replies: @Muggles

  65. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Danindc

    I can recall a legit case of white teens hate crime murdering a black man a few years ago, although it may have been more gay bashing than black bashing. It got a certain amount of publicity, but not much because the cops and DA came down on the white kids like a ton of bricks, so it was hard to whip up outrage about it.

    Domestics, drug dealer-customer disputes, white armed robber shoots black security guard, bar fights, sex murders of prostitutes, prisoner shivs guard, whites who grew up in a black environment (e.g., you and your half-black half-sister are raised by her black grandmother after your mother overdoses), prison fights, homeless vs homeless ... motorcycle gangs?

    In general, white criminals seem to try to organize their activities to stay away from white criminals, although some will mix with Latino criminals. On the other hand, lowlifes come together for various reasons, and somebody can wind up dead.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Bardon Kaldian, @Anonymous

    In general, white criminals seem to try to organize their activities to stay away from white criminals, although some will mix with Latino criminals. On the other hand, lowlifes come together for various reasons, and somebody can wind up dead.

    And thanks to what amounts to an unofficial police strike due directly to “defund the police” initiatives across the country (It’s okay, guys! From now on, we’ll just watch!) , your average murderer is far more likely to get away with it.

    Democrats should change their party symbol from the donkey to a sexy pic of Sharon Tate.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/28644/rate-of-homicides-that-go-unsolved-in-the-us/

  66. @PhysicistDave
    OT, or maybe not: Thursday night's episode of the TV show Law and Order focused on the epidemic of large-scale, unrestrained shoplifting in New York City. A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a "person of color").

    And a key plot element was that one of the ADAs on the show could have and should have put the murderer away a year or so earlier for armed robbery.

    As Sailer has pointed out, Law and Order used to lean to the left.

    But this episode could have been a campaign commercial for Lee Zeldin.

    Producer Dick Wolf has a sense for the pulse of the country.

    Americans are not happy.

    The election on Tuesday is going to be interesting.

    Replies: @Renard, @Mr. Anon, @possumman, @Anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jack P

    But this episode could have been a campaign commercial for Lee Zeldin.

    Producer Dick Wolf has a sense for the pulse of the country.

    Americans are not happy.

    Anything else that Lee Zeldin and Dick Wolf have in common?

  67. @anonymous
    What in the heck’s gotten into Newsweek?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-are-gaslighting-black-people-on-crime-opinion/ar-AA13IdYn

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    What in the heck’s gotten into Newsweek?

    It’s called “debate”. They’ve been running dueling guest columns for decades. Go back and look; this is probably adjacent to another the polar opposite.

    Though their reaching out to RedState’s Jeff Charles is surprising.

  68. • Replies: @tyrone
    @Desiderius

    "let it be"...........now there's a cop that will make retirement, smart.

  69. @prime noticer
    Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country? that's pretty crazy. i lived there from 06 to 09 and it wasn't like that back then. then again...

    Dutch commando who traveled to the US for urban combat training has died after being shot outside a hotel in Indianapolis

    sounds like they got the training they were looking for. i wonder who shot them...

    Replies: @Inverness, @Dr. X, @Almost Missouri, @Muggles, @ATBOTL

    sounds like they got the training they were looking for. i wonder who shot them…

    As I vaguely recall, it was Blacks.

  70. @Redneck farmer
    So, disproportionately the "We wuz Kangs" sort of whites?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “the ‘We wuz Kangs’ sort of whites”

    I’m beginning to suspect Steve believes the Scots-Irish are the We wuz Kangs sort of whites. He tends to use them as the violent white control group whilst pouring over homicide statistics with his Albion’s Seed goggles. This comparison betwixt the Scots-Irish whites and blacks is patently unfair by at least one metric: the Scots-Irish are much better shots. In terms of the use of violence the Scots-Irish are more controlled and directed than the sloppy, chaotic blacks. And if you don’t believe me how’s about I show up during your next visit to the grocery store.

  71. now give us charts on excess deaths by county.

    2022 is the third year in a row with significant excess deaths. Recall the panic over excess deaths in 2020, yet Steve is silent about excess deaths in 2021 and 2022. The funeral business is booming here in the US. the largest funeral operator in the US just reported record profits due to record numbers of funerals this year. 2022 will be the third year in a row with > 3.3 million US deaths

    Why does Vermont have more excess deaths in 2022 than 2021 and 2020 ? what is going on in the whitest state ? They have almost zero homicides , yet excess deaths are higher than ever.

  72. @New Dealer
    Off-topic.

    Looks like another academic career is about to come to an end.

    https://www.amazon.com/Culture-Transplant-Migrants-Make-Economies/dp/1503632946/


    The Culture Transplant: How Migrants Make the Economies They Move To a Lot Like the Ones They Left, by Garett Jones

    In The Culture Transplant, Garett Jones documents the cultural foundations of cross-country income differences, showing that immigrants import cultural attitudes from their homelands―toward saving, toward trust, and toward the role of government―that persist for decades, and likely for centuries, in their new national homes. Full assimilation in a generation or two, Jones reports, is a myth. And the cultural traits migrants bring to their new homes have enduring effects upon a nation's economic potential.

    Built upon mainstream, well-reviewed academic research that hasn't pierced the public consciousness, this book offers a compelling refutation of an unspoken consensus that a nation's economic and political institutions won't be changed by immigration. Jones refutes the common view that we can discuss migration policy without considering whether migration can, over a few generations, substantially transform the economic and political institutions of a nation. And since most of the world's technological innovations come from just a handful of nations, Jones concludes, the entire world has a stake in whether migration policy will help or hurt the quality of government and thus the quality of scientific breakthroughs in those rare innovation powerhouses.

     

    Replies: @LadyTheo, @Renard

    J.D. Vance would agree whole-heartedly. “Hillbilly Elegy” is a story of Appalachian immigrants to manufacturing centers in Ohio in the early 1900s. Those immigrants took their culture with them–and when the jobs left, the pathology of the culture was all that was left: poor work ethic, lack of impulse control, no inclination to save, a victim mentality.

    Even while the jobs lasted, the behaviors he chronicled are those of, well, hillbillies. It is striking to me how similar are the honor cultures of blacks and the Scots-Irish.

    Also, re: Indianapolis. That is my hometown–I lived there or in the northern counties on and off for half of my life. A white is very likely to be murdered by a black in Indy. There was a series of home invasions in the rich northern Marion County suburbs in the early 2000s, including a murder–not perpetrated by whites. The victims I personally know of were murdered by blacks.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
    @LadyTheo


    J.D. Vance would agree whole-heartedly. “Hillbilly Elegy” is a story of Appalachian immigrants to manufacturing centers in Ohio in the early 1900s. Those immigrants took their culture with them–and when the jobs left, the pathology of the culture was all that was left: poor work ethic, lack of impulse control, no inclination to save, a victim mentality.
     
    Misread of the situation. People have been leaving Appalachia for 100 years, and about the only ones left are those who can't leave. We're talking the bottom 10-20% of the population. No surprise that fraction will be dysfunctional, and in a way that exaggerates the vices and neglects the virtues of the larger group, which in the case of rednecks means liquor, pills and fights instead of independence and bravery.

    Vance's subjects are actually a second group of Appalachian left-behinds, who made it to the industrial cities but couldn't or wouldn't move on when they went bust. It's not often noticed, but Vance's mother was born in Ohio and his grandparents lived in Ohio most of their lives.

    There are Scots-Irish all over the country by now, and most of them are just regular issue whites like their neighbors. Does anyone have stats on Scots-Irish as a whole and not just the ones who still live in Appalachia?

    Replies: @LadyTheo

  73. @Peter Akuleyev
    The lowest white homicide rate in a populous county in a red state is #91 Utah County (0.8), which is not home to Salt Lake City, but of Provo, site of BYU: i.e., it’s really Mormon

    Not surprising but on the other hand when I worked in Utah my co-workers seemed to all have crazy stories of violent murders that had happened to a relative or neighbor. It was a bizarre undercurrent I have never felt elsewhere in the US. Maybe on the rare occasions when white Mormons do go crazy they really go batshit.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Ralph L, @Bill P, @SunBakedSuburb

    “Mormons … they really go batshit”

    The Mormons have heretical sects that create desert communes in Utah, Arizona, and the Mexican hinterlands where a man can have as many 14 year old brides as he can handle. Mainstream Mormons are management types that serve the deep state well in the FBI and domestic CIA operations. Elon Musk will eventually be tended to by Mormon physicians in a Las Vegas penthouse suite whilst other Mormons skim the cash intake in the count room.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @SunBakedSuburb


    Mainstream Mormons are management types that serve the deep state well in the FBI and domestic CIA operations.
     
    Mormons are clean-living, so they tend to pass the security clearance process well. Many of them are also bilingual or multilingual from their missionary work, so are ideal for overseas postings. Catholics have a mafia in the FBI, from the days when Catholics used to be clean-cut types.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  74. Pretty neat that in all the social metric one can think of, the best large grouping of blacks can barely pull even with the worst large grouping of whites.

    The highest income blacks pull even with the lowest income whites on SAT scores. Same for odds of going to jail.

    The best large counties for black murder rate pull even with the worst white counties.

    Which other social metrics should we check? Out of wedlock births? Personal bankruptcies? Drug overdose deaths? Breast and prostate cancer?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Ben Kurtz

    The ones that ultimately matter:

    TFR, T-level, Sperm counts, territory effectively ruled, that kind of thing.

  75. Pretty neat that in all the social metric one can think of, the best large grouping of blacks can barely pull even with the worst large grouping of whites.

    Well, just look at it this way.

    The “Systemic Racism” America faces today is from the media/educational/government Narrative Complex pretending to the public that your statement above is both meaningless and false.

  76. It’s interesting to compare these white American murder rates to Canadian rates. Winnipeg, Regina and Thunder Bay all have high rates due to drunken Indians, so throw them out. Infamous rough-and-tumble fighting towns include Hamilton and Oshawa and they have the feature of being 80+ percent white. Both of their murder rates are comparable to Lee County, Florida so I guess Ft. Myers retirees aren’t beyond poppin-a-cap on people who park their golf carts in the wrong place.

  77. ” whites don’t get murdered by nonwhites very often anymore,”

    are you kidding us?

  78. @Almost Missouri
    @J.Ross


    They can’t make their world better so they seek to make your world worse. They want you to die violently and they think it’s funny. In case that sounds like hyperbole, there are abundant tweets, standup jokes, and scenes in movies and tv shows in which the backward Trump supporter gets his rightful comeuppance.
     
    Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location. Paid for with your tax dollars. So the "ladder-kicking" is not just symbolic, they're really trying to injure you.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    “Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location.”

    I see the process first hand at work, and sadly, I contribute to it. All throughout the more desirable suburbs of Chicago, corporate owned “luxury apartment” complexes are being erected. These are quite literally section 8 housing projects. Once complete, negroes straight from the city move into places where prior to those SC’s being constructed, their section 8 allotments weren’t high enough to allow them into the area. But now places like Naperville, Orland Park, Arlington Heights – all formerly only within the reach upper upper middle class incomes, are now being heavily populated with feral negroes.

    There are some towns that have been able to deny the construction of these apartment projects – Lisle and Channahon are two townships that I know of – but it’s just a matter of time until those places are sued into accepting hordes of useless blacks.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Mike Tre

    It's almost impossible the build good housing now without a fairly high, government defined, %age of "affordable" (by government definition) housing. This is in the city as well as the suburbs.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  79. To put that into perspective, it’s around 1 or less in mainly white countries ….. 0,26 in Japan and 0,16 in Singapour

    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings

  80. @Jack D
    @SafeNow

    I'm not sure I agree with this. A cop bar is still a bar where people get drunk and alcohol loosens inhibitions. 2nd, shooty type like to sleep in. Sometimes they may be out all night but once the sun come up, it's bedtime for the denizens of the night so the morning is a good time to go for a walk near the projects.

    OTOH, nothing good ever happens between midnight and sunrise. Lot's of bad stuff but nothing ever good. If a story begins, "At 3:14 AM yesterday morning" then whatever follows is not going to be good.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @SafeNow

    Yeah no way is a cop bar the safest place to be. More likely is senior bingo at a Lutheran church in rural Minnesota.

  81. @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location. Paid for with your tax dollars. So the “ladder-kicking” is not just symbolic, they’re really trying to injure you.
     
    Spot on.

    This is the most important thing going on in America, the most important thing to understand. They are doing it with crime and welfare policy, with cultural messaging and most importantly with immigration.

    Biden has downloaded three+ million immivaders now and dumped them on deplorable flyovers. DeSantis called attention to this with his Martha's Vineyard ploy ... to much squawking. How dare he? It's not the done thing. "Services aren't available.". The destruction by deludge is for you not them.

    This is why we must raise the issue of separation. It isn't the technical specifics or practicalities. The point is to raise--and hammer at--the core issue of the right to have our communties with our norms and values.

    But after that we need to be honest. We whites are not in great shape and have a lot of work to do:
    -- restoring our traditional culture
    and with that ...
    -- returning to eugenic fertility.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Renard

    returning to eugenic fertility

    Reg Cæsar‘s upthread question about where the cutoff to the top 100 white counties is got me interested enough to download some 2010 census numbers. (Are they still counting 2020? I couldn’t find those data by county and race at census.gov. BTW Reg, the 2010 cutoff is 390k.) The data were divided by sex (the Census hasn’t gotten the memo about 57 genders or whatever, thankfully), and it was apparent that the sexes weren’t evenly balanced geographically. So, as a public service to white—or other—readers who want to mate with whites, here is a synopsis of the US counties with most “extra” white women and white men. (“White” here means non-Hispanic white, as defined by the Census Bureau.) Hey, News You Can Use!

    [MORE]

    county-level name • state • ‘extra’ white women • white women as % of white men • notes
    Cook County • Illinois • 26717 • 102.4% • metro-Chicago
    Palm Beach County • Florida • 23206 • 106.0% • rich & retired
    Pinellas County • Florida • 23170 • 106.8% • metro-Tampa
    New York County • New York • 23058 • 105.9% • Manhattan
    Maricopa County • Arizona • 21233 • 101.8% • metro-Phoenix
    Essex County • Massachusetts • 20329 • 107.6% • metro-Boston
    Allegheny County • Pennsylvania • 20277 • 104.3% • metro-Pittsburgh
    Middlesex County • Massachusetts • 19982 • 103.5% • metro-Boston
    Suffolk County • New York • 18514 • 103.7% • 1525920 • eastern Long Island
    St. Louis County • Missouri • 17995 • 105.7% • metro-St. Louis

    In general, counties with most ‘excess’ white women were either Sun Belt retirement zones (which probably skew older, so beyond the fertility window) or—more surprising to me—the metro areas around older Rust Belt cities (Chicago, New York, Boston, St. Louis, Baltimore, Cleveland). I’m not sure what explains the latter group. Women left behind by men seeking fortune in the newer economy? Women demographically widowed by opioids?

    A couple of pattern-outliers were #11 Ocean County NJ (the Jersey Shore) and #12 Tarrant County TX (metro-Fort Worth). Not sure what’s going on with those.

    county-level name • state • ‘extra’ white men • white women as % of white men • notes
    San Diego County • California • 47307 • 93.7% • military
    Los Angeles County • California • 39229 • 97.0% •
    San Francisco County • California • 32237 • 83.0% •
    Clark County • Nevada • 25178 • 94.7% • Las Vegas
    Santa Clara County • California • 23544 • 92.2% • Silicon Valley
    Honolulu County • Hawaii • 22660 • 77.7% • military
    King County • Washington • 22027 • 96.7% • metro-Seattle
    Onslow County • North Carolina • 17162 • 77.3% • military
    Broward County • Florida • 13122 • 96.1% • metro-Miami
    Miami-Dade County • Florida • 11945 • 93.7% •

    The general patterns here were counties with most ‘excess’ white men were either hosting military bases or were digital economy nerd zones. I don’t know what the explanation for Los Angeles, Clark County, Broward and Miami-Dade are.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    Women left behind by men seeking fortune in the newer economy? Women demographically widowed by opioids?
     
    It's women ditching their small towns, cities and suburbs and rushing off to the big city to find adventure, romance and ... crush their fertility. To be "That Girl" or have "Sex in the City".

    The general patterns here were counties with most ‘excess’ white men were either hosting military bases or were digital economy nerd zones.
     
    or homo zones.

    Los Angeles does surprise me though, as I'd thought that was another place young women ran off to in droves. I've probably seen too many movies. Maybe there still a big defense industry skew. Or maybe it's just a whole lot more homo than just "the gay Jews run Hollywood".
    , @Almost Missouri
    @Almost Missouri

    Important Update!

    Puzzling over the mystery of the Rust Belt women, above, I decided to check the age cohorts of the surplus men and women. It turns out that while restricting the age cohorts to the 15-39 prime fertility window makes almost no difference for men, it completely overturns the result for women! Apparently those Rust Belt women were those who outlived their men but can't afford or don't want to retire to the Sun Belt.

    So where the young white wimmenz at? Read on...

    county • state • ‘extra’ white women • white women as % of white men • notes
    New York County • New York • 16934 • 110.6% • Manhattan
    District of Columbia • District of Columbia • 6243 • 109.5% •
    Suffolk County • Massachusetts • 5865 • 106.6% • Boston
    Kings County • New York • 5017 • 102.6% • Brooklyn
    Hampshire County • Massachusetts • 3606 • 115.0% • Amherst, lesbian mecca
    Davidson County • Tennessee • 3562 • 104.4% • Nashville
    Marion County • Indiana • 2437 • 102.7% • Indianapolis
    Orange County • North Carolina • 2388 • 112.9% • Chapel Hill
    Guilford County • North Carolina • 2166 • 105.7% • Greensboro
    DeKalb County • Georgia • 2105 • 105.7% • metro-Atlanta
    New Hanover County • North Carolina • 1963 • 106.8% • Wilmington
    Harrisonburg city • Virginia • 1794 • 120.9% • Shenandoah Valley
    Boone County • Missouri • 1783 • 106.1% • Columbia
    Pitt County • North Carolina • 1686 • 109.4% • Greenville
    Jefferson County • Alabama • 1678 • 103.2% • Birmingham
    McLean County • Illinois • 1593 • 106.4% • Bloomington
    Multnomah County • Oregon • 1547 • 101.5% • Portland
    Philadelphia County • Pennsylvania • 1522 • 101.4% •
    Essex County • Massachusetts • 1486 • 101.9% • metro-Boston

    The first observation here is that almost all of these places are east of the Mississippi. Apparently the West is still too Wild as far as young women are concerned. Second observation is that blue city skankopolises have deep reserves of young white women: NYC, DC, Boston, Portland, Philly, etc. NYC by itself dwarfs the rest of the list.

    But there is also a heretofore undetected seam of redstate women in the central and southern Piedmont: Nashville, Chapel Hill, Greensboro, DeKalb, Wilmington NC, Harrisonburg, Greenville NC, Birmingham. Finally, there are few semi-obscure flyover daisies: Indianapolis, Columbia MO, Bloomington IL. Outside of the metropolises, it seems young white women cluster around second- or third-tier college towns.

    Okay, you have the intel, now you can go forth and multiply!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Renard

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Are you specifying "non-Hispanic white"? L.A. has a lot of illegal immigrant sojourners making money who skew highly male.

    Otherwise, Los Angeles County's male excess is likely gay. L.A. isn't as gay as S.F., but gay men find a lot of work in the entertainment industry. Riverside County, CA probably has a higher proportion of elderly males due to Hollywood gays retiring to Palm Springs.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  82. @Hibernian
    @Danindc

    Probably almost all by LEOs, and don't tell me none of those are legitimate.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    LEOs

    “LEOs”? You mean cops?

    Seriously, who the fuck talks like this? You’re one of those guys that gets out of the shower to piss, aren’t you?

    • Troll: Polistra, HammerJack
  83. @PhysicistDave
    OT, or maybe not: Thursday night's episode of the TV show Law and Order focused on the epidemic of large-scale, unrestrained shoplifting in New York City. A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a "person of color").

    And a key plot element was that one of the ADAs on the show could have and should have put the murderer away a year or so earlier for armed robbery.

    As Sailer has pointed out, Law and Order used to lean to the left.

    But this episode could have been a campaign commercial for Lee Zeldin.

    Producer Dick Wolf has a sense for the pulse of the country.

    Americans are not happy.

    The election on Tuesday is going to be interesting.

    Replies: @Renard, @Mr. Anon, @possumman, @Anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jack P

    In PG county Md-a grocery store security guard was shot and killed by a female shoplifter the other day–he manage to return fire and she also died–not sure of races involved but I can guess as it was PG Co–a DC suburb, And it was a grocery store with armed security!

  84. @Jack D
    In the case of Tulsa, where an unusually high 39% of homicide victims are white, I wonder how many "whites" in Oklahoma are really detribalized mixed blood Indians? And not in the Liz Warren sense but actual significant components of Indian DNA?

    Tribal enrollment in America is a strange and arbitrary thing. Some people with very little (sometimes zero) Indian blood ended up on the tribal rolls (especially but not only after there was casino money in it) and other people with significant Indian blood crossed the color line and ended up being "white".

    Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Steve Sailer

    Interestingly, there are a full-blooded Indians in Oklahoma who have no tribal affiliation because they don’t have enough blood from any one tribe to qualify as a member (or so I’ve heard).

  85. @Jack D
    @SafeNow

    I'm not sure I agree with this. A cop bar is still a bar where people get drunk and alcohol loosens inhibitions. 2nd, shooty type like to sleep in. Sometimes they may be out all night but once the sun come up, it's bedtime for the denizens of the night so the morning is a good time to go for a walk near the projects.

    OTOH, nothing good ever happens between midnight and sunrise. Lot's of bad stuff but nothing ever good. If a story begins, "At 3:14 AM yesterday morning" then whatever follows is not going to be good.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @SafeNow

    Not only that, but cops know they can get away with murder. If Phil Brailsford was acquitted, there’s literally nothing a cop won’t be acquitted for.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  86. OT: French National Assembly deputy Grégoire de Fournas was suspended for two weeks and has had half his salary docked for two months, the most severe punishment handed down to any deputy for years – all over nothing.

    While a black deputy was discussing what should be done with a boatload of immigrants, de Fournas said, “Qu’il(s) retourne(nt) en Afrique”. This could mean “Let him/them/it [i.e. the boat] go back to Africa”. De Fournas said he meant the immigrants. This was almost certainly the truth. But to no avail. The session was shut down immediately and a storm of hysterical hatred was unleashed.

  87. @Danindc
    How many legit white people kill black people every year? I can’t find any stories on this happening. Has to be <10 a year.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian, @Hibernian, @James B. Shearer, @Rob McX, @Gore 2004, @Art Deco

    • Thanks: Danindc
    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Rob McX

    She's an onlyfans "model" i.e. hooker. If your girlfriend is a hooker you're pretty much a pimp. He didn't deserve what he got, but the guy should have known better than to shack up with a prostitute.

    What's with some blacks admiring pimps anyway? Doesn't pimping mean you're a professional cuckold? I've always thought of pimping as the most demeaning thing a man could do, aside from being a prostitute himself.

    Because pimps are so inherently worthy of scorn and disrespect, they end up with women who prefer being dominant in the relationship, hence the need for pimps to resort to violence to keep women in line.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown

    , @Anon
    @Rob McX

    Not guilty!

  88. @Inverness
    @prime noticer


    Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country? that’s pretty crazy.
     
    That's not quite what it's saying.

    It's just that not so many whites venture into East St. Louis or Camden NJ.

    Plus Steve is looking at place of residence..

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “That’s not quite what it’s saying.”

    Statistical analysis is the method used by rational right-brained white men to figure out the world. Casting doubt on the numbers invites chaos, followed by a return to entrail-reading. Do you see, white man, how fragile is your reality?

  89. @Ben Kurtz
    Pretty neat that in all the social metric one can think of, the best large grouping of blacks can barely pull even with the worst large grouping of whites.

    The highest income blacks pull even with the lowest income whites on SAT scores. Same for odds of going to jail.

    The best large counties for black murder rate pull even with the worst white counties.

    Which other social metrics should we check? Out of wedlock births? Personal bankruptcies? Drug overdose deaths? Breast and prostate cancer?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The ones that ultimately matter:

    TFR, T-level, Sperm counts, territory effectively ruled, that kind of thing.

  90. @Rob McX
    @Danindc

    Here's a real black swan event for you. White girl stabs black boyfriend to death, while hurling racist slur at him.


    https://media.radaronline.com/brand-img/nF-Ma3-Ob/2160x1130/only-fans-model-her-bf-pp-1649429130803-1667412321553.jpg

    Replies: @Bill P, @Anon

    She’s an onlyfans “model” i.e. hooker. If your girlfriend is a hooker you’re pretty much a pimp. He didn’t deserve what he got, but the guy should have known better than to shack up with a prostitute.

    What’s with some blacks admiring pimps anyway? Doesn’t pimping mean you’re a professional cuckold? I’ve always thought of pimping as the most demeaning thing a man could do, aside from being a prostitute himself.

    Because pimps are so inherently worthy of scorn and disrespect, they end up with women who prefer being dominant in the relationship, hence the need for pimps to resort to violence to keep women in line.

    • Agree: Rich
    • Replies: @puttheforkdown
    @Bill P


    pimping mean you’re a professional cuckold
     
    How does mindcontrolling women while making them pay you most of what they make equate to cuckoldry? I'd imagine they'd just have a non-whore maingirl for the sexual aspect as well.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Bill P

  91. @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad


    returning to eugenic fertility
     
    Reg Cæsar's upthread question about where the cutoff to the top 100 white counties is got me interested enough to download some 2010 census numbers. (Are they still counting 2020? I couldn't find those data by county and race at census.gov. BTW Reg, the 2010 cutoff is 390k.) The data were divided by sex (the Census hasn't gotten the memo about 57 genders or whatever, thankfully), and it was apparent that the sexes weren't evenly balanced geographically. So, as a public service to white—or other—readers who want to mate with whites, here is a synopsis of the US counties with most "extra" white women and white men. ("White" here means non-Hispanic white, as defined by the Census Bureau.) Hey, News You Can Use!

    county-level name • state • 'extra' white women • white women as % of white men • notes
    Cook County • Illinois • 26717 • 102.4% • metro-Chicago
    Palm Beach County • Florida • 23206 • 106.0% • rich & retired
    Pinellas County • Florida • 23170 • 106.8% • metro-Tampa
    New York County • New York • 23058 • 105.9% • Manhattan
    Maricopa County • Arizona • 21233 • 101.8% • metro-Phoenix
    Essex County • Massachusetts • 20329 • 107.6% • metro-Boston
    Allegheny County • Pennsylvania • 20277 • 104.3% • metro-Pittsburgh
    Middlesex County • Massachusetts • 19982 • 103.5% • metro-Boston
    Suffolk County • New York • 18514 • 103.7% • 1525920 • eastern Long Island
    St. Louis County • Missouri • 17995 • 105.7% • metro-St. Louis

    In general, counties with most 'excess' white women were either Sun Belt retirement zones (which probably skew older, so beyond the fertility window) or—more surprising to me—the metro areas around older Rust Belt cities (Chicago, New York, Boston, St. Louis, Baltimore, Cleveland). I'm not sure what explains the latter group. Women left behind by men seeking fortune in the newer economy? Women demographically widowed by opioids?

    A couple of pattern-outliers were #11 Ocean County NJ (the Jersey Shore) and #12 Tarrant County TX (metro-Fort Worth). Not sure what's going on with those.

    county-level name • state • 'extra' white men • white women as % of white men • notes
    San Diego County • California • 47307 • 93.7% • military
    Los Angeles County • California • 39229 • 97.0% •
    San Francisco County • California • 32237 • 83.0% •
    Clark County • Nevada • 25178 • 94.7% • Las Vegas
    Santa Clara County • California • 23544 • 92.2% • Silicon Valley
    Honolulu County • Hawaii • 22660 • 77.7% • military
    King County • Washington • 22027 • 96.7% • metro-Seattle
    Onslow County • North Carolina • 17162 • 77.3% • military
    Broward County • Florida • 13122 • 96.1% • metro-Miami
    Miami-Dade County • Florida • 11945 • 93.7% •

    The general patterns here were counties with most 'excess' white men were either hosting military bases or were digital economy nerd zones. I don't know what the explanation for Los Angeles, Clark County, Broward and Miami-Dade are.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri, @Steve Sailer

    Women left behind by men seeking fortune in the newer economy? Women demographically widowed by opioids?

    It’s women ditching their small towns, cities and suburbs and rushing off to the big city to find adventure, romance and … crush their fertility. To be “That Girl” or have “Sex in the City”.

    The general patterns here were counties with most ‘excess’ white men were either hosting military bases or were digital economy nerd zones.

    or homo zones.

    Los Angeles does surprise me though, as I’d thought that was another place young women ran off to in droves. I’ve probably seen too many movies. Maybe there still a big defense industry skew. Or maybe it’s just a whole lot more homo than just “the gay Jews run Hollywood”.

  92. @PhysicistDave
    OT, or maybe not: Thursday night's episode of the TV show Law and Order focused on the epidemic of large-scale, unrestrained shoplifting in New York City. A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a "person of color").

    And a key plot element was that one of the ADAs on the show could have and should have put the murderer away a year or so earlier for armed robbery.

    As Sailer has pointed out, Law and Order used to lean to the left.

    But this episode could have been a campaign commercial for Lee Zeldin.

    Producer Dick Wolf has a sense for the pulse of the country.

    Americans are not happy.

    The election on Tuesday is going to be interesting.

    Replies: @Renard, @Mr. Anon, @possumman, @Anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jack P

    No late twist that the perp actually was a white guy wearing a rubber mask?

  93. @Rob McX
    @Danindc

    Here's a real black swan event for you. White girl stabs black boyfriend to death, while hurling racist slur at him.


    https://media.radaronline.com/brand-img/nF-Ma3-Ob/2160x1130/only-fans-model-her-bf-pp-1649429130803-1667412321553.jpg

    Replies: @Bill P, @Anon

    Not guilty!

    • LOL: Danindc
  94. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Mormons ... they really go batshit"

    The Mormons have heretical sects that create desert communes in Utah, Arizona, and the Mexican hinterlands where a man can have as many 14 year old brides as he can handle. Mainstream Mormons are management types that serve the deep state well in the FBI and domestic CIA operations. Elon Musk will eventually be tended to by Mormon physicians in a Las Vegas penthouse suite whilst other Mormons skim the cash intake in the count room.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Mainstream Mormons are management types that serve the deep state well in the FBI and domestic CIA operations.

    Mormons are clean-living, so they tend to pass the security clearance process well. Many of them are also bilingual or multilingual from their missionary work, so are ideal for overseas postings. Catholics have a mafia in the FBI, from the days when Catholics used to be clean-cut types.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Twinkie


    ...from the days when Catholics used to be clean-cut types.
     
    Some of us still are. Was that a dig at Comey and Mueller? Or perhaps Biden and Pelosi? Those four I'll definitely not defend. Or any Kennedy or Daley.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  95. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/HoratiusAtGate/status/1588691365634138113?s=20&t=_qEGAkpjZnqf8zAkcHGdDQ

    Replies: @tyrone

    “let it be”………..now there’s a cop that will make retirement, smart.

  96. @Mike Tre
    @Almost Missouri

    "Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location."

    I see the process first hand at work, and sadly, I contribute to it. All throughout the more desirable suburbs of Chicago, corporate owned "luxury apartment" complexes are being erected. These are quite literally section 8 housing projects. Once complete, negroes straight from the city move into places where prior to those SC's being constructed, their section 8 allotments weren't high enough to allow them into the area. But now places like Naperville, Orland Park, Arlington Heights - all formerly only within the reach upper upper middle class incomes, are now being heavily populated with feral negroes.

    There are some towns that have been able to deny the construction of these apartment projects - Lisle and Channahon are two townships that I know of - but it's just a matter of time until those places are sued into accepting hordes of useless blacks.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    It’s almost impossible the build good housing now without a fairly high, government defined, %age of “affordable” (by government definition) housing. This is in the city as well as the suburbs.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Hibernian


    It’s almost impossible the build good housing now without a fairly high, government defined, %age of “affordable” (by government definition) housing. This is in the city as well as the suburbs.
     
    But, for some reason, never in Malibu or Martha's Vineyard. Funny how that works.

    My wife and I lived in a city in the South for a few years when we were first married. It's where we bought our first house. It was a solidly middle class neighborhood when we lived there - not upper middle, not lower middle, just "middle middle."

    We happened to be passing through there a few years ago and drove by the old place to show the kids. We had to roll up the windows and lock the doors. We looked like a white family that gets terribly lost at the beginning of some horror movie. The nearby mall had been shuttered, and the whole commercial district looked like it had been leveled by a WW1 artillery barrage.

    I spoke to an old neighbor about it and he said that basically the Section 8's came in and just wiped the place out. It was a great, affordable community for honest, middle class Americans trying to start their families - completely devastated.

    My boss when we lived there was a hardcore lefty, to the point of being literally a card carrying member of the ACLU. His son was kicked out of the honors program at a local high school. If his son had stayed in the non-honors program at the same school most of his classmates would have been black. So instead he sneaked the kid into a mostly white high school that wasn't even in the same district. I'm not sure how he did that - a family member or ex-wife lived there, I think. But we - including our black colleague - especially our black colleague - joked about it in the office behind his back. Our boss was an ass.

    Not long after the George Floyd riots started my wife had a Facebook exchange about the BLM riots with a white friend who still lives there. This friend was all in favor of the BLM protests. Of course she lives in a very white part of town. Her oldest son is very active in far left politics. Then last year her husband was killed by a black drunk driver with a criminal record as long as War & Peace. They have three kids. If it were some random stranger of course I would laugh about it. But since I know her and know that she's a genuinely good woman I just feel awful for her and her family.

    But my feelings for the rest of these hypocrites has turned to hatred. My tolerance for them wanes by the nanosecond.

  97. @Twinkie
    @SunBakedSuburb


    Mainstream Mormons are management types that serve the deep state well in the FBI and domestic CIA operations.
     
    Mormons are clean-living, so they tend to pass the security clearance process well. Many of them are also bilingual or multilingual from their missionary work, so are ideal for overseas postings. Catholics have a mafia in the FBI, from the days when Catholics used to be clean-cut types.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    …from the days when Catholics used to be clean-cut types.

    Some of us still are. Was that a dig at Comey and Mueller? Or perhaps Biden and Pelosi? Those four I’ll definitely not defend. Or any Kennedy or Daley.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Hibernian


    Some of us still are.
     
    Indeed, I included. But these days orthodox Catholics are not representative of self-declared Catholics at large in this country.
  98. @Jack D
    @SafeNow

    I'm not sure I agree with this. A cop bar is still a bar where people get drunk and alcohol loosens inhibitions. 2nd, shooty type like to sleep in. Sometimes they may be out all night but once the sun come up, it's bedtime for the denizens of the night so the morning is a good time to go for a walk near the projects.

    OTOH, nothing good ever happens between midnight and sunrise. Lot's of bad stuff but nothing ever good. If a story begins, "At 3:14 AM yesterday morning" then whatever follows is not going to be good.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @SafeNow

    Cops at a bar might be off-duty, but they are situationally aware, especially when it comes to the critical thing – – noticing who is entering. This keenness, alertness, is their training and life’s work; they can’t help it; and actually, don’t want to. They are not just guys squirming because of their uncomfortable gun bulges. They’ve got me. I’m safe now. The usual disclosure…I am old…a lot of things have changed.

  99. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    How about you focus on the damage you did by promoting the insane Covid Lockdowns? Everyone is noticing there is zero self-reflection on that by the Usual Suspects.

    Replies: @Travis

    Without the lockdowns we have no George Floyd riots across the nation. The COVID hysteria resulted in thousands of protests in the summer of 2020, as young Americans had been locked up for months, with all schools, clubs, sport venues, beaches and churches had been shuttered. With all normal social activities being banned for months Americans were only allowed to gather and socialize at the thousands of protests. The pent up anger was allowed to be expressed at the protests.

    Unlike the 2014 BLM protests which were restricted to one metro area, the 2020 protests were held in hundreds of cities across the nation. This was due to the pent up frustrations and civil unrest created by the clampdown which put millions of people out of work and made normal socializing impossible, as indoor gatherings of over ten people were banned and people were forced to wear masks to further alienate Americans and create social upheaval, isolation, anxiety and outrage. With no jobs and no schools to attend Americans had nothing better to do than to attend protests. It was the only venue for large gatherings of Americans….thus the protests spread and attracted millions of Americans to vent their anger. Thus the Ferguson effect spread nationwide due to the clampdowns which allowed Americans to protest in huge numbers, while all other gatherings of people were banned.

  100. An interesting question is what fraction of that 7.2 rate in Indianapolis were killed by other whites? In general, I’d of course say, “Most.”

    This is a fascinating question.

    I’ve been thinking about it on an off for years.

    Here are some reasonable assumptions, IMHO:

    The fraction (call this “f(x)”) is somewhere between 100% and the White Share of Homicides (I’ll call this “x”); and of the two, usually closer to 100% than x.

    When x = 100%, f(x) is essentially 100%. When x = 80%, f(x) is very close to 100%.

    The closer x is to 100%, the more (100% – f(x)) “shrinks” to zero. Let’s call this shrinkage factor “g(x)”, where g(x) = 1 when x = 0, and g(x) = 0 for x = 100%.

    To make things simpler, for 100%, put 1.

    Here’s a guess: g(x) = (1 – x)(1 -x)

    So, (1 – f(x)) = (1 – x)g(x) = (1 – x)(1 – x)(1 – x)

    So, f(x) = 1 -((1 – x)(1 – x)(1 – x))

    That’s just an initial guess. It’s probably too high; but perhaps it can be plugged in to Bayes’ Theorem as a prior.

    Sorry for the notation. Doing this on my phone.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Not Raul

    Whoops, I mean it’s probably too low.

    The real share is probably between 100% and my initial f(x).

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Not Raul

    Thanks.

    Can you do Marion IN vs. Tulsa OK for me?

    Replies: @Not Raul

  101. @LadyTheo
    @New Dealer

    J.D. Vance would agree whole-heartedly. "Hillbilly Elegy" is a story of Appalachian immigrants to manufacturing centers in Ohio in the early 1900s. Those immigrants took their culture with them--and when the jobs left, the pathology of the culture was all that was left: poor work ethic, lack of impulse control, no inclination to save, a victim mentality.

    Even while the jobs lasted, the behaviors he chronicled are those of, well, hillbillies. It is striking to me how similar are the honor cultures of blacks and the Scots-Irish.

    Also, re: Indianapolis. That is my hometown--I lived there or in the northern counties on and off for half of my life. A white is very likely to be murdered by a black in Indy. There was a series of home invasions in the rich northern Marion County suburbs in the early 2000s, including a murder--not perpetrated by whites. The victims I personally know of were murdered by blacks.

    Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat

    J.D. Vance would agree whole-heartedly. “Hillbilly Elegy” is a story of Appalachian immigrants to manufacturing centers in Ohio in the early 1900s. Those immigrants took their culture with them–and when the jobs left, the pathology of the culture was all that was left: poor work ethic, lack of impulse control, no inclination to save, a victim mentality.

    Misread of the situation. People have been leaving Appalachia for 100 years, and about the only ones left are those who can’t leave. We’re talking the bottom 10-20% of the population. No surprise that fraction will be dysfunctional, and in a way that exaggerates the vices and neglects the virtues of the larger group, which in the case of rednecks means liquor, pills and fights instead of independence and bravery.

    Vance’s subjects are actually a second group of Appalachian left-behinds, who made it to the industrial cities but couldn’t or wouldn’t move on when they went bust. It’s not often noticed, but Vance’s mother was born in Ohio and his grandparents lived in Ohio most of their lives.

    There are Scots-Irish all over the country by now, and most of them are just regular issue whites like their neighbors. Does anyone have stats on Scots-Irish as a whole and not just the ones who still live in Appalachia?

    • Replies: @LadyTheo
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    People have been leaving Appalachia for 100 years--so exactly the time Vance's predecessors left Appalachia.

    His grandparents and mother and Vance himself went back and forth between KY and OH. He calls it the hillbilly highway.

    The point is that there is a Scots-Irish way of being that persists long after relocation occurs. The worst aspects of it are as Vance describes. The best of it is partly captured in books like Albion's Seed and American Nations.

    The hypothesis is that demographic cohorts carry their behavioral traits with them for centuries. So yes, while the SI have spread, where they are concentrated, many of their behavioral traits persist. While the authors of books like Albion's Seed and American Nations ultimately reject the SI demographic, it is the population that fuels our military and resists authoritarianism. I am a proud citizen of SI America--even with half of my bloodline coming from pacifist groups like the Mennonites.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

  102. @Not Raul

    An interesting question is what fraction of that 7.2 rate in Indianapolis were killed by other whites? In general, I’d of course say, “Most.”
     
    This is a fascinating question.

    I’ve been thinking about it on an off for years.

    Here are some reasonable assumptions, IMHO:

    The fraction (call this “f(x)”) is somewhere between 100% and the White Share of Homicides (I’ll call this “x”); and of the two, usually closer to 100% than x.

    When x = 100%, f(x) is essentially 100%. When x = 80%, f(x) is very close to 100%.

    The closer x is to 100%, the more (100% - f(x)) “shrinks” to zero. Let’s call this shrinkage factor “g(x)”, where g(x) = 1 when x = 0, and g(x) = 0 for x = 100%.

    To make things simpler, for 100%, put 1.

    Here’s a guess: g(x) = (1 - x)(1 -x)

    So, (1 - f(x)) = (1 - x)g(x) = (1 - x)(1 - x)(1 - x)

    So, f(x) = 1 -((1 - x)(1 - x)(1 - x))

    That’s just an initial guess. It’s probably too high; but perhaps it can be plugged in to Bayes’ Theorem as a prior.

    Sorry for the notation. Doing this on my phone.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Steve Sailer

    Whoops, I mean it’s probably too low.

    The real share is probably between 100% and my initial f(x).

  103. @prime noticer
    every year i drive from Denver -> Kansas City -> St Louis -> Indianapolis -> Pittsburgh, and back again.

    when i made this trip in 2020, i posted on iSteve that the 3 middle cities on this route were all having record murder rates, and that i talked with 2 friends in Indianapolis, a police officer and a doctor, about the escalating situation there. sounds like it only got worse.

    Vegas has always been somewhat dangerous. when i lived there from 02 to 06, it seemed like the police killed 3 or 4 people every month. LVPD went out of their way to secure the Strip, but it's still a target for killings once every few years. some illegal alien hacked up the Strip this year. things may be worse now that the Raiders moved there, and brought in the NFL element.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Sick n' Tired, @magilla

    Vegas filled up with a lot of transients during the construction boom years in the late 90s, then a lot of trash who got priced out of California, especially around the LA/So Cal areas during the housing bust in 09. Now with legal weed and a trashy NFL team, it’s gotten inherently more ghetto. I was there for 4 days in 2019, pre-covid, and it was about 3 days too many for me.

  104. @Bill Jones
    And the odds of you getting away with it have never been better. Who knew that Sailer's Sway (now there's an image to conjure with) at ZeroHedge was high enough for them to provide background to his recent topics?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/getting-away-murder-us

    https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/28644.jpeg

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan

    How about rape? I mean,just out of curiosity, heh.😉

  105. @Bill P
    @Rob McX

    She's an onlyfans "model" i.e. hooker. If your girlfriend is a hooker you're pretty much a pimp. He didn't deserve what he got, but the guy should have known better than to shack up with a prostitute.

    What's with some blacks admiring pimps anyway? Doesn't pimping mean you're a professional cuckold? I've always thought of pimping as the most demeaning thing a man could do, aside from being a prostitute himself.

    Because pimps are so inherently worthy of scorn and disrespect, they end up with women who prefer being dominant in the relationship, hence the need for pimps to resort to violence to keep women in line.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown

    pimping mean you’re a professional cuckold

    How does mindcontrolling women while making them pay you most of what they make equate to cuckoldry? I’d imagine they’d just have a non-whore maingirl for the sexual aspect as well.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @puttheforkdown

    Wow, cope. You're not her only one = total satisfaction of all requirements re cuck. Oh, but she pays you her money? You call yourself a man and you depend on a chick for income? This is one of those situations where everything is wrong.

    Replies: @Cutter

    , @Bill P
    @puttheforkdown

    Have you ever met a pimp? They are whores' whores. He (or she) who pays the piper calls the tune.

    A lot of men just can't imagine that women have any agency in their relationship with a pimp, but it's painfully obvious that they do. For one thing, they can pick up the phone, call the police, and have the guy arrested on felony charges at any time, and cops would be happy to oblige.

    So why don't they? It's because these women like having the ultimate control over the man in their life. They like it so much they're willing to put up with a beating every now and then just like a woman who loves horses won't give up her passion because of a silly little kick that broke a few ribs or knocked out some teeth.

    At his very best, a pimp can negotiate with a client on behalf of his whore master. But when it comes to other men that's the absolute limit of his power. He is the lowliest of slaves: a slave to women.

    Don't fall for the sob stories from professional hookers. Teenagers, maybe, but be cautious there as well because the root of attraction to pimps among teen girls is often a desire to defy their fathers, which is a bad sign.

    Personally I pity pimps. They are among the most shameful results of fatherlessness. Still, despite the pity, I think they deserve strict criminal penalties to demonstrate to young men how inverted, inappropriate and demeaning it is to engage in that activity.

    Replies: @Kylie

  106. Los Angeles County is 2.8. I wonder how many of these are Armenians, Russians, Persians, and other recent immigrants. I suspect the rate for third generation Americans is closer to 1.2 like Orange County.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Reverend Goody

    Right, four Armenians got gunned down at a restaurant in Valley Village by two other Armenians a decade or so ago. The Slavs can be feisty too. Not sure about Persians, Jewish or Muslim.

  107. Based on purely anecdotal evidence, I would hazard that a significant portion of white murder victims in Indianapolis were killed by blacks. Your VDARE colleague, “Paul Kersey” has documented a number of such cases over the last few years.

  108. @Hibernian
    @Twinkie


    ...from the days when Catholics used to be clean-cut types.
     
    Some of us still are. Was that a dig at Comey and Mueller? Or perhaps Biden and Pelosi? Those four I'll definitely not defend. Or any Kennedy or Daley.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Some of us still are.

    Indeed, I included. But these days orthodox Catholics are not representative of self-declared Catholics at large in this country.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  109. @Reverend Goody
    Los Angeles County is 2.8. I wonder how many of these are Armenians, Russians, Persians, and other recent immigrants. I suspect the rate for third generation Americans is closer to 1.2 like Orange County.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Right, four Armenians got gunned down at a restaurant in Valley Village by two other Armenians a decade or so ago. The Slavs can be feisty too. Not sure about Persians, Jewish or Muslim.

  110. @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad


    returning to eugenic fertility
     
    Reg Cæsar's upthread question about where the cutoff to the top 100 white counties is got me interested enough to download some 2010 census numbers. (Are they still counting 2020? I couldn't find those data by county and race at census.gov. BTW Reg, the 2010 cutoff is 390k.) The data were divided by sex (the Census hasn't gotten the memo about 57 genders or whatever, thankfully), and it was apparent that the sexes weren't evenly balanced geographically. So, as a public service to white—or other—readers who want to mate with whites, here is a synopsis of the US counties with most "extra" white women and white men. ("White" here means non-Hispanic white, as defined by the Census Bureau.) Hey, News You Can Use!

    county-level name • state • 'extra' white women • white women as % of white men • notes
    Cook County • Illinois • 26717 • 102.4% • metro-Chicago
    Palm Beach County • Florida • 23206 • 106.0% • rich & retired
    Pinellas County • Florida • 23170 • 106.8% • metro-Tampa
    New York County • New York • 23058 • 105.9% • Manhattan
    Maricopa County • Arizona • 21233 • 101.8% • metro-Phoenix
    Essex County • Massachusetts • 20329 • 107.6% • metro-Boston
    Allegheny County • Pennsylvania • 20277 • 104.3% • metro-Pittsburgh
    Middlesex County • Massachusetts • 19982 • 103.5% • metro-Boston
    Suffolk County • New York • 18514 • 103.7% • 1525920 • eastern Long Island
    St. Louis County • Missouri • 17995 • 105.7% • metro-St. Louis

    In general, counties with most 'excess' white women were either Sun Belt retirement zones (which probably skew older, so beyond the fertility window) or—more surprising to me—the metro areas around older Rust Belt cities (Chicago, New York, Boston, St. Louis, Baltimore, Cleveland). I'm not sure what explains the latter group. Women left behind by men seeking fortune in the newer economy? Women demographically widowed by opioids?

    A couple of pattern-outliers were #11 Ocean County NJ (the Jersey Shore) and #12 Tarrant County TX (metro-Fort Worth). Not sure what's going on with those.

    county-level name • state • 'extra' white men • white women as % of white men • notes
    San Diego County • California • 47307 • 93.7% • military
    Los Angeles County • California • 39229 • 97.0% •
    San Francisco County • California • 32237 • 83.0% •
    Clark County • Nevada • 25178 • 94.7% • Las Vegas
    Santa Clara County • California • 23544 • 92.2% • Silicon Valley
    Honolulu County • Hawaii • 22660 • 77.7% • military
    King County • Washington • 22027 • 96.7% • metro-Seattle
    Onslow County • North Carolina • 17162 • 77.3% • military
    Broward County • Florida • 13122 • 96.1% • metro-Miami
    Miami-Dade County • Florida • 11945 • 93.7% •

    The general patterns here were counties with most 'excess' white men were either hosting military bases or were digital economy nerd zones. I don't know what the explanation for Los Angeles, Clark County, Broward and Miami-Dade are.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri, @Steve Sailer

    Important Update!

    Puzzling over the mystery of the Rust Belt women, above, I decided to check the age cohorts of the surplus men and women. It turns out that while restricting the age cohorts to the 15-39 prime fertility window makes almost no difference for men, it completely overturns the result for women! Apparently those Rust Belt women were those who outlived their men but can’t afford or don’t want to retire to the Sun Belt.

    So where the young white wimmenz at? Read on…

    county • state • ‘extra’ white women • white women as % of white men • notes
    New York County • New York • 16934 • 110.6% • Manhattan
    District of Columbia • District of Columbia • 6243 • 109.5% •
    Suffolk County • Massachusetts • 5865 • 106.6% • Boston
    Kings County • New York • 5017 • 102.6% • Brooklyn
    Hampshire County • Massachusetts • 3606 • 115.0% • Amherst, lesbian mecca
    Davidson County • Tennessee • 3562 • 104.4% • Nashville
    Marion County • Indiana • 2437 • 102.7% • Indianapolis
    Orange County • North Carolina • 2388 • 112.9% • Chapel Hill
    Guilford County • North Carolina • 2166 • 105.7% • Greensboro
    DeKalb County • Georgia • 2105 • 105.7% • metro-Atlanta
    New Hanover County • North Carolina • 1963 • 106.8% • Wilmington
    Harrisonburg city • Virginia • 1794 • 120.9% • Shenandoah Valley
    Boone County • Missouri • 1783 • 106.1% • Columbia
    Pitt County • North Carolina • 1686 • 109.4% • Greenville
    Jefferson County • Alabama • 1678 • 103.2% • Birmingham
    McLean County • Illinois • 1593 • 106.4% • Bloomington
    Multnomah County • Oregon • 1547 • 101.5% • Portland
    Philadelphia County • Pennsylvania • 1522 • 101.4% •
    Essex County • Massachusetts • 1486 • 101.9% • metro-Boston

    The first observation here is that almost all of these places are east of the Mississippi. Apparently the West is still too Wild as far as young women are concerned. Second observation is that blue city skankopolises have deep reserves of young white women: NYC, DC, Boston, Portland, Philly, etc. NYC by itself dwarfs the rest of the list.

    But there is also a heretofore undetected seam of redstate women in the central and southern Piedmont: Nashville, Chapel Hill, Greensboro, DeKalb, Wilmington NC, Harrisonburg, Greenville NC, Birmingham. Finally, there are few semi-obscure flyover daisies: Indianapolis, Columbia MO, Bloomington IL. Outside of the metropolises, it seems young white women cluster around second- or third-tier college towns.

    Okay, you have the intel, now you can go forth and multiply!

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Are you specifying "non-Hispanic white"? L.A. has a lot of illegal immigrant sojourners making money who skew highly male.

    Otherwise, Los Angeles County's male excess is likely gay. L.A. isn't as gay as S.F., but gay men find a lot of work in the entertainment industry. Riverside County, CA probably has a higher proportion of elderly males due to Hollywood gays retiring to Palm Springs.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Thanks, I'd like to publish your list of places with excess white women.

    Can you confirm these are _non-Hispanic_ whites? I recall that Richard Florida years ago published a list of where the men are at for the benefit of women in which California coastal cities ranked high, but I pointed out that it was basically a list of cities with a lot of illegal aliens.

    Also, would it be possible to boost the minimum age to 18 or so? Probably not, in that age 15-24 is a standard federal age category, but I can imagine being lit up for, seemingly, trying to marry off minors. Actually, 25-34 is a pretty good age range as well in that guys interested in this ranking will likely not be that young.

    Indeed, ranking places with excess women 35-44 might be salutary to younger women in Manhattan considering whether to accept that proposal from their current boyfriend who wants to move to the suburbs or hold out for Mr. Big who will furnish them with the limousine lifestyle in Manhattan.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Ralph L

    , @Renard
    @Almost Missouri


    But there is also a heretofore undetected seam of redstate women in the central and southern Piedmont: Nashville, Chapel Hill, Greensboro, DeKalb, Wilmington NC, Harrisonburg, Greenville NC, Birmingham. Finally, there are few semi-obscure flyover daisies: Indianapolis, Columbia MO, Bloomington IL. Outside of the metropolises, it seems young white women cluster around second- or third-tier college towns.
     
    Thanks, and I was about to point out that many of these are college towns, but you got that too.

    Many if not most colleges in the United States are now 60+ percent female. I miss college sometimes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  111. OT I wonder what class it is that personal trainers take which enables them to tell a father he’s never going to see his kids again.

  112. @puttheforkdown
    @Bill P


    pimping mean you’re a professional cuckold
     
    How does mindcontrolling women while making them pay you most of what they make equate to cuckoldry? I'd imagine they'd just have a non-whore maingirl for the sexual aspect as well.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Bill P

    Wow, cope. You’re not her only one = total satisfaction of all requirements re cuck. Oh, but she pays you her money? You call yourself a man and you depend on a chick for income? This is one of those situations where everything is wrong.

    • Replies: @Cutter
    @J.Ross

    You don't understand what cuckoldry entails. The pimp's not in love with the whore; he's manipulating her emotionally and physically to take her money. Maybe he's sleeping with her, maybe not, but she's an asset on a balance sheet. Like one particular location of a small gas-station chain.

    Replies: @Bill P

  113. @anon
    What if you weeded out vehicular homicides (dui car crashes) and domestics and focused on gang, white supremacist, lone nut, or drug violence homicides, would the data look different?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I read all of Jill Leovy’s LA Times Homicide Blog listings for male 15-29 victims in Los Angeles County in for 2007-2009. White guys tended to be domestics (often murder-suicides), suicides by cop, people involved with drugs, career criminals, white criminals who hung out with Hispanic gangs (probably due to a lack of white gangs in LA County), Armenians and Russians and the like. One punk rock star killed another in a fight over a girl in a parking garage.

    Offhand, I remember one white engineer who was murdered when he chased after the black thieves who stole his iPod, but not too many other black on white killings of clearly innocent young white men. (Of course, young men don’t get picked on as much as more vulnerable cohorts do if they’re just minding their own business.)

    In 3 years in LA County (population 10 million), there was one case of one suburban white kid killing another in a fight in a high school parking lot. That seemed like the second most likely case to be made into a movie. The most likely was the on-and-off question of whether to charge Michael Jackson’s doctor with homicide for injecting him with a heavy anesthetic at his request so he could get some sleep.

    But Los Angeles whites are particularly well-behaved in the 21st Century due to high rent having cleared out the riff-raff.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Steve Sailer


    But Los Angeles whites are particularly well-behaved in the 21st Century due to high rent having cleared out the riff-raff.
     
    And now the riff raff is just camping on the streets while young middle/working class whites are all gone.

    "Après moi, le déluge" should be the new California state motto.
    , @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks,
    Basically, chances of being killed by a crazy white guy, just offhand, are slim, like whites don't do a whole lot of drive by's but what happens when we put all those white guys into venues of color? That's what the police have been trying to do. Mix the races together. Most likely won't work, but why do it in the first place? One group will always try to outdo the other, that's why diversity is violence.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    One punk rock star killed another in a fight over a girl in a parking garage.
     
    Some female journalist once asked why they are always porn stars. Was this guy really a star, or is punk the musical counterpart to skin flicks?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Renard
    @Steve Sailer

    When you consider how manically Hollwood has been promoting violence and gunplay for decades now, it's surely notable how few white guys have signed on. Are white guys genetically impervious to the brainwashing? Or are they just not very violent?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  114. @Bill Jones
    @Hibernian

    Steve looked at this a couple of years ago, post Ferguson? Fewer than 20 unarmed blacks killed by police. More Whites killed than blacks.
    Cops, ranked in order of most likely to shoot.
    Black Women Cops
    White Women Cops
    Black Men Cops
    White Men Cops

    but you probably knew that, didn't you?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan

    What a great commentary on the stupidity and bigotry of filthy,dirty,stinking “civil rights activists!”
    They shriek like LeBron over the poor innocent dindunuffins shot by police. And they scream like banshees about getting rid of white men,and hiring more black women,to make the police more yada yada yada.
    How would you like to be pulled over on a dark street in Nairobi? As compared to,say,Iowa City?
    I wonder about Asians. Are they less likely to shoot,being more contemplative? Or do they freak out like strong black wahmens and let loose?

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Bardon Kaldlan


    How would you like to be pulled over on a dark street in Nairobi? As compared to,say,Iowa City?
     
    Ah the old checkpoint at night question!
  115. @puttheforkdown
    @Bill P


    pimping mean you’re a professional cuckold
     
    How does mindcontrolling women while making them pay you most of what they make equate to cuckoldry? I'd imagine they'd just have a non-whore maingirl for the sexual aspect as well.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Bill P

    Have you ever met a pimp? They are whores’ whores. He (or she) who pays the piper calls the tune.

    A lot of men just can’t imagine that women have any agency in their relationship with a pimp, but it’s painfully obvious that they do. For one thing, they can pick up the phone, call the police, and have the guy arrested on felony charges at any time, and cops would be happy to oblige.

    So why don’t they? It’s because these women like having the ultimate control over the man in their life. They like it so much they’re willing to put up with a beating every now and then just like a woman who loves horses won’t give up her passion because of a silly little kick that broke a few ribs or knocked out some teeth.

    At his very best, a pimp can negotiate with a client on behalf of his whore master. But when it comes to other men that’s the absolute limit of his power. He is the lowliest of slaves: a slave to women.

    Don’t fall for the sob stories from professional hookers. Teenagers, maybe, but be cautious there as well because the root of attraction to pimps among teen girls is often a desire to defy their fathers, which is a bad sign.

    Personally I pity pimps. They are among the most shameful results of fatherlessness. Still, despite the pity, I think they deserve strict criminal penalties to demonstrate to young men how inverted, inappropriate and demeaning it is to engage in that activity.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Bill P

    "Have you ever met a pimp? They are whores’ whores. He (or she) who pays the piper calls the tune."

    I have and that's not been my observation at all. In fact, the reverse.

    "A lot of men just can’t imagine that women have any agency in their relationship with a pimp, but it’s painfully obvious that they do. For one thing, they can pick up the phone, call the police, and have the guy arrested on felony charges at any time, and cops would be happy to oblige."

    Right. Some whore who may well have a drug problem and warrants out for her own arrest is going to call the cops to arrest her pimp. And the cops will be happy to oblige with the arrest, resultant paperwork, etc. because they don't have any more serious criminals to arrest.

    "So why don’t they? It’s because these women like having the ultimate control over the man in their life."

    No, it's because these gals get the agency knocked out of them early on. (I'm talking streetwalkers, not high dollar escorts.). I have never heard a whore talk about having control over any man in her life. Mostly, they seem to wish they had enough self-control to get out of their situation.

    "Don’t fall for the sob stories from professional hookers. Teenagers, maybe, but be cautious there as well because the root of attraction to pimps among teen girls is often a desire to defy their fathers, which is a bad sign."

    I've never fallen for their sob stories. But I found the bruises, trips to the ER, etc. pretty convincing. The girls I've known out there didn't want to defy their fathers. They wanted to find someone who would treat them as badly as their fathers did. Mostly, they succeeded in that, if nothing else.

  116. @Danindc
    How many legit white people kill black people every year? I can’t find any stories on this happening. Has to be <10 a year.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian, @Hibernian, @James B. Shearer, @Rob McX, @Gore 2004, @Art Deco

    A lot.

    It happens.

    Everyone kills everyone.

    Whites kill blacks, blacks kill whites, vice versa.

    America has a lot of crime, that is the problem.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Gore 2004

    Less than 5 a year. Find me a legit story of it happening. It ain’t.

  117. @PhysicistDave
    OT, or maybe not: Thursday night's episode of the TV show Law and Order focused on the epidemic of large-scale, unrestrained shoplifting in New York City. A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a "person of color").

    And a key plot element was that one of the ADAs on the show could have and should have put the murderer away a year or so earlier for armed robbery.

    As Sailer has pointed out, Law and Order used to lean to the left.

    But this episode could have been a campaign commercial for Lee Zeldin.

    Producer Dick Wolf has a sense for the pulse of the country.

    Americans are not happy.

    The election on Tuesday is going to be interesting.

    Replies: @Renard, @Mr. Anon, @possumman, @Anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jack P

    The election on Tuesday is going to be interesting.

    Stolen.

    The election on Tuesday is going to be stolen.

  118. @Danindc
    How many legit white people kill black people every year? I can’t find any stories on this happening. Has to be <10 a year.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian, @Hibernian, @James B. Shearer, @Rob McX, @Gore 2004, @Art Deco

    I think where they can identify the race of perpetrator and victim, about 4% of all homicides feature a non-black perpetrator and a black victim. (Uniform Crime Reports). My guess would be that north of 1/3 of those perpetrators are mestizo.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Art Deco

    How many anglo whites kill blacks in a non justifiable homicide every year? I’m guessing 2 at most. Am I wrong?

  119. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    I read all of Jill Leovy's LA Times Homicide Blog listings for male 15-29 victims in Los Angeles County in for 2007-2009. White guys tended to be domestics (often murder-suicides), suicides by cop, people involved with drugs, career criminals, white criminals who hung out with Hispanic gangs (probably due to a lack of white gangs in LA County), Armenians and Russians and the like. One punk rock star killed another in a fight over a girl in a parking garage.

    Offhand, I remember one white engineer who was murdered when he chased after the black thieves who stole his iPod, but not too many other black on white killings of clearly innocent young white men. (Of course, young men don't get picked on as much as more vulnerable cohorts do if they're just minding their own business.)

    In 3 years in LA County (population 10 million), there was one case of one suburban white kid killing another in a fight in a high school parking lot. That seemed like the second most likely case to be made into a movie. The most likely was the on-and-off question of whether to charge Michael Jackson's doctor with homicide for injecting him with a heavy anesthetic at his request so he could get some sleep.

    But Los Angeles whites are particularly well-behaved in the 21st Century due to high rent having cleared out the riff-raff.

    Replies: @Bill P, @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Renard

    But Los Angeles whites are particularly well-behaved in the 21st Century due to high rent having cleared out the riff-raff.

    And now the riff raff is just camping on the streets while young middle/working class whites are all gone.

    “Après moi, le déluge” should be the new California state motto.

  120. @Bill P
    @puttheforkdown

    Have you ever met a pimp? They are whores' whores. He (or she) who pays the piper calls the tune.

    A lot of men just can't imagine that women have any agency in their relationship with a pimp, but it's painfully obvious that they do. For one thing, they can pick up the phone, call the police, and have the guy arrested on felony charges at any time, and cops would be happy to oblige.

    So why don't they? It's because these women like having the ultimate control over the man in their life. They like it so much they're willing to put up with a beating every now and then just like a woman who loves horses won't give up her passion because of a silly little kick that broke a few ribs or knocked out some teeth.

    At his very best, a pimp can negotiate with a client on behalf of his whore master. But when it comes to other men that's the absolute limit of his power. He is the lowliest of slaves: a slave to women.

    Don't fall for the sob stories from professional hookers. Teenagers, maybe, but be cautious there as well because the root of attraction to pimps among teen girls is often a desire to defy their fathers, which is a bad sign.

    Personally I pity pimps. They are among the most shameful results of fatherlessness. Still, despite the pity, I think they deserve strict criminal penalties to demonstrate to young men how inverted, inappropriate and demeaning it is to engage in that activity.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “Have you ever met a pimp? They are whores’ whores. He (or she) who pays the piper calls the tune.”

    I have and that’s not been my observation at all. In fact, the reverse.

    “A lot of men just can’t imagine that women have any agency in their relationship with a pimp, but it’s painfully obvious that they do. For one thing, they can pick up the phone, call the police, and have the guy arrested on felony charges at any time, and cops would be happy to oblige.”

    Right. Some whore who may well have a drug problem and warrants out for her own arrest is going to call the cops to arrest her pimp. And the cops will be happy to oblige with the arrest, resultant paperwork, etc. because they don’t have any more serious criminals to arrest.

    “So why don’t they? It’s because these women like having the ultimate control over the man in their life.”

    No, it’s because these gals get the agency knocked out of them early on. (I’m talking streetwalkers, not high dollar escorts.). I have never heard a whore talk about having control over any man in her life. Mostly, they seem to wish they had enough self-control to get out of their situation.

    “Don’t fall for the sob stories from professional hookers. Teenagers, maybe, but be cautious there as well because the root of attraction to pimps among teen girls is often a desire to defy their fathers, which is a bad sign.”

    I’ve never fallen for their sob stories. But I found the bruises, trips to the ER, etc. pretty convincing. The girls I’ve known out there didn’t want to defy their fathers. They wanted to find someone who would treat them as badly as their fathers did. Mostly, they succeeded in that, if nothing else.

  121. @J.Ross
    @puttheforkdown

    Wow, cope. You're not her only one = total satisfaction of all requirements re cuck. Oh, but she pays you her money? You call yourself a man and you depend on a chick for income? This is one of those situations where everything is wrong.

    Replies: @Cutter

    You don’t understand what cuckoldry entails. The pimp’s not in love with the whore; he’s manipulating her emotionally and physically to take her money. Maybe he’s sleeping with her, maybe not, but she’s an asset on a balance sheet. Like one particular location of a small gas-station chain.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Cutter

    I can't believe you people thinking a pimp can manipulate a woman who is a professional manipulator of men. Then why can't he manipulate any woman he wants? Why can't a pimp just come in and lay waste to any marriage?

    Whores get off on manipulating men; pimps are just one of their tools. Pimps are subordinate to whores. Like I said on another post, a pimp has no honor -- you can insult him to his face and he'll take it if his whore master orders him to do so. I've done this with impunity because I've never been a John and hookers know they've got nothing on me.

    Replies: @Cutter

  122. I’ve never fallen for their sob stories. But I found the bruises, trips to the ER, etc. pretty convincing

    Ah, so you listened to their stories. I used to do that, too. I tried to help some of them out. I knew them personally — and not as a John. Guess what? As soon as I got them what they needed (e.g. medical care, a ride to the Suboxone clinic, groceries, clothes for the kid and some assurance to the CPS worker breathing down their neck) they ran right back to the lifestyle that suited them.

    These women choose their lifestyle; that much is clear. They have a multitude of alternative options yet they don’t choose them because they like being in charge despite not having the ability to take care of themselves. They live a parasitic lifestyle out of pure self-indulgence and make fools out of the rest of us. Pimps are just their pathetic omega male enablers — I’ve said it to their faces and their “bitches” made them stand down. Humiliating!

    Btw, the girls who run off with pimps don’t usually have abusive fathers — they have absent fathers. Whether it’s because the guy is working all the time, his wife dumped him, or he’s a real deadbeat ( not usually the case with white guys), he just isn’t there much. So the little girl is (understandably) mad at the world. But even so most girls who take it that far are disordered.

    You really want to credit subliterate, animalistic pimps with sweeping them off their feet with psychological manipulation? What a misfortune to have such a stupid daughter that would be, but clearly there’s more to it than that.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Bill P

    "Ah, so you listened to their stories. I used to do that, too."

    Yes, they were my neighbors. I chatted some with some of them.

    "I tried to help some of them out. I knew them personally — and not as a John. Guess what? As soon as I got them what they needed (e.g. medical care, a ride to the Suboxone clinic, groceries, clothes for the kid and some assurance to the CPS worker breathing down their neck) they ran right back to the lifestyle that suited them."

    I never helped any of them out, except once I held onto some cheap turquoise jewelry for one when she went into the hospital. I'm sympathetic but not inclined to waste time and resources on the hopeless and helpless.

    Replies: @Bill P

  123. I lived in Las Vegas for many years and am not surprised to see it rank high. It’s like a melting pot of troubled people from all the place. Then they get even more dysfunctional after moving there. It’s the epitome of “a great place to visit but I wouldn’t want to live there”.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jay Fink

    Kind of like L.A. before it got so expensive.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  124. @Jay Fink
    I lived in Las Vegas for many years and am not surprised to see it rank high. It's like a melting pot of troubled people from all the place. Then they get even more dysfunctional after moving there. It's the epitome of "a great place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there".

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Kind of like L.A. before it got so expensive.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Steve Sailer

    Florida man.

  125. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    These data are obsolete, but for 2019:
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
    blacks constituted 17.1% of those who murdered whites, while whites made up 0.8% of those who murdered blacks.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Thanks, but I think you dropped a decimal place on whites killing blacks.

    OTOH, 1) some number of those “whites” are actually Hispanics, and 2) they’re only counting about half of the homicides.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Almost Missouri

    Yes, you're right.

    It's 8.4%.

    Strange, calculator made the same mistake twice, as I calculated for the first time. It was suspicious to me, but it gave 0.0084....twice.

  126. @Cutter
    @J.Ross

    You don't understand what cuckoldry entails. The pimp's not in love with the whore; he's manipulating her emotionally and physically to take her money. Maybe he's sleeping with her, maybe not, but she's an asset on a balance sheet. Like one particular location of a small gas-station chain.

    Replies: @Bill P

    I can’t believe you people thinking a pimp can manipulate a woman who is a professional manipulator of men. Then why can’t he manipulate any woman he wants? Why can’t a pimp just come in and lay waste to any marriage?

    Whores get off on manipulating men; pimps are just one of their tools. Pimps are subordinate to whores. Like I said on another post, a pimp has no honor — you can insult him to his face and he’ll take it if his whore master orders him to do so. I’ve done this with impunity because I’ve never been a John and hookers know they’ve got nothing on me.

    • Replies: @Cutter
    @Bill P

    Whores, at least the class of whores with pimps, aren't professional manipulators of men. They sell the sexual act.

    I occasionally have street-walkers come into my place of business. They aren't capable of manipulating men; not physically attractive enough. Luckily for them they don't have to manipulate anyone.

    A pimp can't just come in and lay waste to any marriage. He can maybe run a mind-game on some chick with an emotionally-distant father, maybe. Or just get his girls hooked on drugs.

    The attractive waitress at the Chili's/Applebee's/TGI Friday's is more capable of manipulating men than the average whore.

    Why are (were?) you in a pimp's face to insult him?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bill P, @Bill P

  127. @Gore 2004
    @Danindc

    A lot.

    It happens.

    Everyone kills everyone.

    Whites kill blacks, blacks kill whites, vice versa.

    America has a lot of crime, that is the problem.

    Replies: @Danindc

    Less than 5 a year. Find me a legit story of it happening. It ain’t.

  128. I’m thinking I have to start explaining the underclass to reading people. I’ll make it my next project, along with the philosophy stuff that interests me most.

    So much misinterpretation of the reality at ground level. I actually like these people (too much for my own good), but my solutions to their problems would probably sound really mean to those who don’t know what’s going on. So I guess I should start explaining a few things. Mansplaining, as they say. Who would pay attention otherwise?

  129. anon[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    I read all of Jill Leovy's LA Times Homicide Blog listings for male 15-29 victims in Los Angeles County in for 2007-2009. White guys tended to be domestics (often murder-suicides), suicides by cop, people involved with drugs, career criminals, white criminals who hung out with Hispanic gangs (probably due to a lack of white gangs in LA County), Armenians and Russians and the like. One punk rock star killed another in a fight over a girl in a parking garage.

    Offhand, I remember one white engineer who was murdered when he chased after the black thieves who stole his iPod, but not too many other black on white killings of clearly innocent young white men. (Of course, young men don't get picked on as much as more vulnerable cohorts do if they're just minding their own business.)

    In 3 years in LA County (population 10 million), there was one case of one suburban white kid killing another in a fight in a high school parking lot. That seemed like the second most likely case to be made into a movie. The most likely was the on-and-off question of whether to charge Michael Jackson's doctor with homicide for injecting him with a heavy anesthetic at his request so he could get some sleep.

    But Los Angeles whites are particularly well-behaved in the 21st Century due to high rent having cleared out the riff-raff.

    Replies: @Bill P, @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Renard

    Thanks,
    Basically, chances of being killed by a crazy white guy, just offhand, are slim, like whites don’t do a whole lot of drive by’s but what happens when we put all those white guys into venues of color? That’s what the police have been trying to do. Mix the races together. Most likely won’t work, but why do it in the first place? One group will always try to outdo the other, that’s why diversity is violence.

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    As an example...Whites either become like blacks or die off. As whites would be the weaker.

  130. @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks,
    Basically, chances of being killed by a crazy white guy, just offhand, are slim, like whites don't do a whole lot of drive by's but what happens when we put all those white guys into venues of color? That's what the police have been trying to do. Mix the races together. Most likely won't work, but why do it in the first place? One group will always try to outdo the other, that's why diversity is violence.

    Replies: @anon

    As an example…Whites either become like blacks or die off. As whites would be the weaker.

  131. @New Dealer
    Off-topic.

    Looks like another academic career is about to come to an end.

    https://www.amazon.com/Culture-Transplant-Migrants-Make-Economies/dp/1503632946/


    The Culture Transplant: How Migrants Make the Economies They Move To a Lot Like the Ones They Left, by Garett Jones

    In The Culture Transplant, Garett Jones documents the cultural foundations of cross-country income differences, showing that immigrants import cultural attitudes from their homelands―toward saving, toward trust, and toward the role of government―that persist for decades, and likely for centuries, in their new national homes. Full assimilation in a generation or two, Jones reports, is a myth. And the cultural traits migrants bring to their new homes have enduring effects upon a nation's economic potential.

    Built upon mainstream, well-reviewed academic research that hasn't pierced the public consciousness, this book offers a compelling refutation of an unspoken consensus that a nation's economic and political institutions won't be changed by immigration. Jones refutes the common view that we can discuss migration policy without considering whether migration can, over a few generations, substantially transform the economic and political institutions of a nation. And since most of the world's technological innovations come from just a handful of nations, Jones concludes, the entire world has a stake in whether migration policy will help or hurt the quality of government and thus the quality of scientific breakthroughs in those rare innovation powerhouses.

     

    Replies: @LadyTheo, @Renard

    Thanks. I’ve been saying this for decades, and it seems like the most obvious thing on earth. Import third-world people, import third-world practices and attitudes.

    Few here will be surprised by this notion, but the goodwhites I have known are thrown nearly into cardiac arrest.

    Hey, that gives me an idea.

  132. @F. Galton
    I spent some time in Florida recently, and I'm not surprised that Florida counties are well represented on that top half of this list. Florida has this weird libertarian vibe that I think works for functional people. But unfortunately, a good portion of Floridians, and all races/ethnicities included here, don't appear all that functional.

    I'll throw out a wildly irresponsible theory that Mr. Sailer may enjoy: Marginally functional whites tend to be serious fishermen, and Florida is a fisherman's paradise that is also relatively affordable. Ergo, a lot of these folks reside in Florida.

    My new favorite t-shirt phrase: What would Florida Man do?

    Replies: @Renard, @Reg Cæsar

    Marginally functional whites tend to be serious fishermen

    Do you mean that serious fishermen tend to be marginally functional whites? That might make more sense, but even then I’m somewhat skeptical.

    Frankly neither way makes much sense. Maybe “some number of marginally functional whites enjoy fishing.”

    Arrr, still not getting it.

  133. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    I read all of Jill Leovy's LA Times Homicide Blog listings for male 15-29 victims in Los Angeles County in for 2007-2009. White guys tended to be domestics (often murder-suicides), suicides by cop, people involved with drugs, career criminals, white criminals who hung out with Hispanic gangs (probably due to a lack of white gangs in LA County), Armenians and Russians and the like. One punk rock star killed another in a fight over a girl in a parking garage.

    Offhand, I remember one white engineer who was murdered when he chased after the black thieves who stole his iPod, but not too many other black on white killings of clearly innocent young white men. (Of course, young men don't get picked on as much as more vulnerable cohorts do if they're just minding their own business.)

    In 3 years in LA County (population 10 million), there was one case of one suburban white kid killing another in a fight in a high school parking lot. That seemed like the second most likely case to be made into a movie. The most likely was the on-and-off question of whether to charge Michael Jackson's doctor with homicide for injecting him with a heavy anesthetic at his request so he could get some sleep.

    But Los Angeles whites are particularly well-behaved in the 21st Century due to high rent having cleared out the riff-raff.

    Replies: @Bill P, @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Renard

    One punk rock star killed another in a fight over a girl in a parking garage.

    Some female journalist once asked why they are always porn stars. Was this guy really a star, or is punk the musical counterpart to skin flicks?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    My impression from briefly looking up the story 12 years ago is the two guys fighting appeared to be known to aficionados of their musical niche. But it was 12 years ago ...

    Music is really fragmented these days, so there are a lot of individuals who can be referred to as stars. It's been that way for a long time. My wife took guitar lessons at the Old Town School of Folk Music from a singer-songwriter named Robbie Fulks. In other words, he was scraping by, but when I mention his name, some readers comment favorably upon him. He's a star to a few readers.

    In some ways, the current situation is fairer than in 1975 when rock stars were bigger but fewer. But it's a tough way to eke out a living.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Cutter

  134. @AnotherDad
    @Almost Missouri


    Part of the way they make their world better is by making your world worse. Section 8, Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, etc. are programs to export their undesirable population to your desirable location. Paid for with your tax dollars. So the “ladder-kicking” is not just symbolic, they’re really trying to injure you.
     
    Spot on.

    This is the most important thing going on in America, the most important thing to understand. They are doing it with crime and welfare policy, with cultural messaging and most importantly with immigration.

    Biden has downloaded three+ million immivaders now and dumped them on deplorable flyovers. DeSantis called attention to this with his Martha's Vineyard ploy ... to much squawking. How dare he? It's not the done thing. "Services aren't available.". The destruction by deludge is for you not them.

    This is why we must raise the issue of separation. It isn't the technical specifics or practicalities. The point is to raise--and hammer at--the core issue of the right to have our communties with our norms and values.

    But after that we need to be honest. We whites are not in great shape and have a lot of work to do:
    -- restoring our traditional culture
    and with that ...
    -- returning to eugenic fertility.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Renard

    We whites are not in great shape and have a lot of work to do

    So long as control of the flow of information remains in enemy hands, the task will remain insurmountable.

    And they won’t give it up willingly, because everything they have stolen relies on their mastery of propaganda and prevarication.

    So, how can this ever change? Well, it’s possible that one man has just spent $44 billion on an experiment. Yes, he’s allowing the ADL to help him with the moderation. Ridiculous? What if he’s just doing that for (very effective) window dressing, with plans to boot them out next month?

    All that being said, it’s hard not to think that Bezos got a better deal buying the Washington Post. What did that cost, $95?

    Google says this.. Okay I was slightly off..

    The paper has flourished under Mr. Bezos’ ownership. Since he bought the newspaper in 2013 for $250 million, The Post has added over 200 people to its newsroom, which now numbers 900 journalists, and won plaudits and awards for its coverage of, among other subjects, the Trump administration.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Renard

    I'm pretty sure WaPo loses millions every year.

    Bezos can afford it but like Zuckerberg's Meta, Amazon is now having problems and is like other giant firms relying on advertising or retail, in serious jeopardy of shrinkage.

    Share prices on Amazon are way down.

    These media subsidies will start tapering off or declining once cash flow becomes a factor.

    Even billionaires get cheap when their side projects consume too much cash. Most of their "wealth" is in shares of various things which can plummet in a second.

    Money losing business are not "sustainable" in the real sense of that term. The oligarchs get busted or die or just decide that being the Wizard of DC Narrative isn't worth the bother.

  135. @Bill P
    @Cutter

    I can't believe you people thinking a pimp can manipulate a woman who is a professional manipulator of men. Then why can't he manipulate any woman he wants? Why can't a pimp just come in and lay waste to any marriage?

    Whores get off on manipulating men; pimps are just one of their tools. Pimps are subordinate to whores. Like I said on another post, a pimp has no honor -- you can insult him to his face and he'll take it if his whore master orders him to do so. I've done this with impunity because I've never been a John and hookers know they've got nothing on me.

    Replies: @Cutter

    Whores, at least the class of whores with pimps, aren’t professional manipulators of men. They sell the sexual act.

    I occasionally have street-walkers come into my place of business. They aren’t capable of manipulating men; not physically attractive enough. Luckily for them they don’t have to manipulate anyone.

    A pimp can’t just come in and lay waste to any marriage. He can maybe run a mind-game on some chick with an emotionally-distant father, maybe. Or just get his girls hooked on drugs.

    The attractive waitress at the Chili’s/Applebee’s/TGI Friday’s is more capable of manipulating men than the average whore.

    Why are (were?) you in a pimp’s face to insult him?

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Cutter

    Black pimps at least dressed up and put on a show for their ladies. Rotherham-style Pakistani pimps in track suits ... now that I really don't get.

    Replies: @Cutter, @Bardon Kaldian

    , @Bill P
    @Cutter

    Neighbor

    , @Bill P
    @Cutter

    Argument over above-mentioned neighbor's pit bull got personal.

    Replies: @Cutter

  136. @Faraday's Bobcat
    @LadyTheo


    J.D. Vance would agree whole-heartedly. “Hillbilly Elegy” is a story of Appalachian immigrants to manufacturing centers in Ohio in the early 1900s. Those immigrants took their culture with them–and when the jobs left, the pathology of the culture was all that was left: poor work ethic, lack of impulse control, no inclination to save, a victim mentality.
     
    Misread of the situation. People have been leaving Appalachia for 100 years, and about the only ones left are those who can't leave. We're talking the bottom 10-20% of the population. No surprise that fraction will be dysfunctional, and in a way that exaggerates the vices and neglects the virtues of the larger group, which in the case of rednecks means liquor, pills and fights instead of independence and bravery.

    Vance's subjects are actually a second group of Appalachian left-behinds, who made it to the industrial cities but couldn't or wouldn't move on when they went bust. It's not often noticed, but Vance's mother was born in Ohio and his grandparents lived in Ohio most of their lives.

    There are Scots-Irish all over the country by now, and most of them are just regular issue whites like their neighbors. Does anyone have stats on Scots-Irish as a whole and not just the ones who still live in Appalachia?

    Replies: @LadyTheo

    People have been leaving Appalachia for 100 years–so exactly the time Vance’s predecessors left Appalachia.

    His grandparents and mother and Vance himself went back and forth between KY and OH. He calls it the hillbilly highway.

    The point is that there is a Scots-Irish way of being that persists long after relocation occurs. The worst aspects of it are as Vance describes. The best of it is partly captured in books like Albion’s Seed and American Nations.

    The hypothesis is that demographic cohorts carry their behavioral traits with them for centuries. So yes, while the SI have spread, where they are concentrated, many of their behavioral traits persist. While the authors of books like Albion’s Seed and American Nations ultimately reject the SI demographic, it is the population that fuels our military and resists authoritarianism. I am a proud citizen of SI America–even with half of my bloodline coming from pacifist groups like the Mennonites.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @LadyTheo

    Thanks.

    Replies: @LadyTheo

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @LadyTheo


    His grandparents and mother and Vance himself went back and forth between KY and OH. He calls it the hillbilly highway.
     
    In West Virginia, they say the three Rs are reading, 'riting, and the road to Ohio.
  137. @Steve Sailer
    @Jay Fink

    Kind of like L.A. before it got so expensive.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Florida man.

  138. @LadyTheo
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    People have been leaving Appalachia for 100 years--so exactly the time Vance's predecessors left Appalachia.

    His grandparents and mother and Vance himself went back and forth between KY and OH. He calls it the hillbilly highway.

    The point is that there is a Scots-Irish way of being that persists long after relocation occurs. The worst aspects of it are as Vance describes. The best of it is partly captured in books like Albion's Seed and American Nations.

    The hypothesis is that demographic cohorts carry their behavioral traits with them for centuries. So yes, while the SI have spread, where they are concentrated, many of their behavioral traits persist. While the authors of books like Albion's Seed and American Nations ultimately reject the SI demographic, it is the population that fuels our military and resists authoritarianism. I am a proud citizen of SI America--even with half of my bloodline coming from pacifist groups like the Mennonites.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @LadyTheo
    @Steve Sailer

    I find the idea of cultural identities persisting over time very interesting. To keep it away from the toxic black demographic, I like to look at the Scots-Irish. I find it hard to argue that there is not a genetic component. Anecdotally, I look at myself and my immediate family. My worst impulses (to vengeance, violence, total annihilation of my enemies) don't track back to my Mennonite paternal grandmother's side, I am confident.

  139. @Cutter
    @Bill P

    Whores, at least the class of whores with pimps, aren't professional manipulators of men. They sell the sexual act.

    I occasionally have street-walkers come into my place of business. They aren't capable of manipulating men; not physically attractive enough. Luckily for them they don't have to manipulate anyone.

    A pimp can't just come in and lay waste to any marriage. He can maybe run a mind-game on some chick with an emotionally-distant father, maybe. Or just get his girls hooked on drugs.

    The attractive waitress at the Chili's/Applebee's/TGI Friday's is more capable of manipulating men than the average whore.

    Why are (were?) you in a pimp's face to insult him?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bill P, @Bill P

    Black pimps at least dressed up and put on a show for their ladies. Rotherham-style Pakistani pimps in track suits … now that I really don’t get.

    • Agree: Cutter
    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Cutter
    @Steve Sailer

    The Rotherham style of management strikes me as finding very young females from a poor AND unstable/latchkey background (both are necessary, and the latchkey element's probably more important), paying attention to them, giving them drugs, and then putting them to work.

    I think it was Mother Jones who ran a series about underage females getting turned out in America. One girl (who cut a sweet deal on a murder charge coming out of a home-invasion robbery) came from a married, two-parent home. Both made good money. As bartenders, so they were gone a lot.

    She met some hood-rats, started turning tricks, and then it really bad.

    No one ever accused 13-17 year-olds of having good judgment.

    Replies: @Gordo

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    Rotherham was about exploitation of the vulnerable.
    ...........................................................

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal#Murder_of_Laura_Wilson

    In 2012 Rotherham Council applied to the High Court for an injunction to stop Norfolk publishing an unredacted version of a serious case review written after the murder of a local girl, Laura Wilson.

    Known in the review as "Child S", Wilson was 17 in October 2010 when she was stabbed 40 times and thrown in the canal by her 17-year-old ex-boyfriend, Ashtiaq Asghar, an act the police called an "honour killing". She had had a baby four months earlier by a 21-year-old married man. The families of the men, both Pakistani heritage, had apparently been unaware of the relationships and the existence of the child. Tired of being a secret, Wilson decided to tell them. Days later, the ex-boyfriend murdered her. Both men stood trial; the older man was acquitted, and Asghar was jailed for 17 years and six months.

    Assessed as having an IQ of 56 and a reading and spelling age of 6, Wilson had been the target of localised grooming from at least age 11.
    The council had referred her to Risky Business three months after her 11th birthday, and when she was 13, Wilson and her family had appeared on The Jeremy Kyle Show to discuss children who were out of control. She had also been mentioned in the 2009 criminal inquiry that led to the first five convictions arising out of localised grooming in Rotherham.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

  140. @Steve Sailer
    @LadyTheo

    Thanks.

    Replies: @LadyTheo

    I find the idea of cultural identities persisting over time very interesting. To keep it away from the toxic black demographic, I like to look at the Scots-Irish. I find it hard to argue that there is not a genetic component. Anecdotally, I look at myself and my immediate family. My worst impulses (to vengeance, violence, total annihilation of my enemies) don’t track back to my Mennonite paternal grandmother’s side, I am confident.

  141. @LadyTheo
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    People have been leaving Appalachia for 100 years--so exactly the time Vance's predecessors left Appalachia.

    His grandparents and mother and Vance himself went back and forth between KY and OH. He calls it the hillbilly highway.

    The point is that there is a Scots-Irish way of being that persists long after relocation occurs. The worst aspects of it are as Vance describes. The best of it is partly captured in books like Albion's Seed and American Nations.

    The hypothesis is that demographic cohorts carry their behavioral traits with them for centuries. So yes, while the SI have spread, where they are concentrated, many of their behavioral traits persist. While the authors of books like Albion's Seed and American Nations ultimately reject the SI demographic, it is the population that fuels our military and resists authoritarianism. I am a proud citizen of SI America--even with half of my bloodline coming from pacifist groups like the Mennonites.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    His grandparents and mother and Vance himself went back and forth between KY and OH. He calls it the hillbilly highway.

    In West Virginia, they say the three Rs are reading, ‘riting, and the road to Ohio.

  142. @F. Galton
    I spent some time in Florida recently, and I'm not surprised that Florida counties are well represented on that top half of this list. Florida has this weird libertarian vibe that I think works for functional people. But unfortunately, a good portion of Floridians, and all races/ethnicities included here, don't appear all that functional.

    I'll throw out a wildly irresponsible theory that Mr. Sailer may enjoy: Marginally functional whites tend to be serious fishermen, and Florida is a fisherman's paradise that is also relatively affordable. Ergo, a lot of these folks reside in Florida.

    My new favorite t-shirt phrase: What would Florida Man do?

    Replies: @Renard, @Reg Cæsar

    Florida serves as America’s colostomy bag.

    • LOL: Rob McX
  143. @Bill P

    I’ve never fallen for their sob stories. But I found the bruises, trips to the ER, etc. pretty convincing
     
    Ah, so you listened to their stories. I used to do that, too. I tried to help some of them out. I knew them personally -- and not as a John. Guess what? As soon as I got them what they needed (e.g. medical care, a ride to the Suboxone clinic, groceries, clothes for the kid and some assurance to the CPS worker breathing down their neck) they ran right back to the lifestyle that suited them.

    These women choose their lifestyle; that much is clear. They have a multitude of alternative options yet they don't choose them because they like being in charge despite not having the ability to take care of themselves. They live a parasitic lifestyle out of pure self-indulgence and make fools out of the rest of us. Pimps are just their pathetic omega male enablers -- I've said it to their faces and their "bitches" made them stand down. Humiliating!

    Btw, the girls who run off with pimps don't usually have abusive fathers -- they have absent fathers. Whether it's because the guy is working all the time, his wife dumped him, or he's a real deadbeat ( not usually the case with white guys), he just isn't there much. So the little girl is (understandably) mad at the world. But even so most girls who take it that far are disordered.

    You really want to credit subliterate, animalistic pimps with sweeping them off their feet with psychological manipulation? What a misfortune to have such a stupid daughter that would be, but clearly there's more to it than that.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “Ah, so you listened to their stories. I used to do that, too.”

    Yes, they were my neighbors. I chatted some with some of them.

    “I tried to help some of them out. I knew them personally — and not as a John. Guess what? As soon as I got them what they needed (e.g. medical care, a ride to the Suboxone clinic, groceries, clothes for the kid and some assurance to the CPS worker breathing down their neck) they ran right back to the lifestyle that suited them.”

    I never helped any of them out, except once I held onto some cheap turquoise jewelry for one when she went into the hospital. I’m sympathetic but not inclined to waste time and resources on the hopeless and helpless.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Kylie

    I can't think of a time when I didn't have neighbors who were trading sex for money, except maybe the time I lived next to a golf course, but there my neighbors were too old for that, so some may have done it in the past. Some of my childhood friends' mothers did it, too. It wasn't something we talked about, but these things are kind of hard to hide.

    It's a lot more common than people admit, which makes me wonder whether it shouldn't just be decriminalized. One of my neighbors is an onlyfans worker and fairly open about it. Sometimes she comes out to water the plants in her getup leaving next to nothing to imagination. She's nuts, but she's actually fairly functional compared to some of the others -- at least she doesn't have kids and keeps a low profile. Naturally, she has a boyfriend/pimp -- a fairly nice but always down in the dumps black guy (yeah, it must be depressing to be hitched to a hooker). I really pity the guy.

    I had a girlfriend years ago whose neighbor was a real crack whore. She'd even do her thing in the driveway in guys' parked cars. No shame whatsoever... Her boyfriend/pimp? Another depressed black guy who ended up hanging himself. I saw him get wheeled out under a sheet.

    There is nothing glamorous about being a pimp. My hunch is that most pimps are themselves the sons of prostitutes and take on the role out of a sense of fatalism. Others probably just end up in that situation because they don't have the guts to leave a relationship in which the girlfriend insists on being a whore. I once saw a girl throw a tantrum when her boyfriend confronted her about "dating" older men. She tossed his clothes out the window and threatened to call the cops.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Unintended Consequence

  144. @Steve Sailer
    @Cutter

    Black pimps at least dressed up and put on a show for their ladies. Rotherham-style Pakistani pimps in track suits ... now that I really don't get.

    Replies: @Cutter, @Bardon Kaldian

    The Rotherham style of management strikes me as finding very young females from a poor AND unstable/latchkey background (both are necessary, and the latchkey element’s probably more important), paying attention to them, giving them drugs, and then putting them to work.

    I think it was Mother Jones who ran a series about underage females getting turned out in America. One girl (who cut a sweet deal on a murder charge coming out of a home-invasion robbery) came from a married, two-parent home. Both made good money. As bartenders, so they were gone a lot.

    She met some hood-rats, started turning tricks, and then it really bad.

    No one ever accused 13-17 year-olds of having good judgment.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Cutter


    The Rotherham style of management strikes me as finding very young females from a poor AND unstable/latchkey background (both are necessary, and the latchkey element’s probably more important), paying attention to them, giving them drugs, and then putting them to work.
     
    It helped that they had the police and politicians and social workers on their side, those rare fathers who went for the enrichers were arrested and imprisoned.

    I pray that all debts will be repaid.
  145. @Bill P
    Red county whites are physically and temperamentally different from urban blue whites these days. There didn't used to be as much of a difference in my vague recollections from my childhood, but people have increasingly sorted themselves.

    You used to see a lot of brawny, masculine white guys who worked and lived in cities, but they've all left. Now if they have a job in the city they commute, often a long ways.

    All of my big, strong friends that I can think of left Seattle years ago. Only one remained a democrat, but he works in the public sector. I saw the same thing happen in San Francisco. Between the 90s and the 10s the tougher element (e.g. bikers and such) seemed to fade away.

    Although tough, masculine white guys are more prone to crime and violence, they're also very good at keeping the peace and getting people to follow the rules. Their absence practically invites delinquency.

    Perhaps these tougher types hold law and order in high esteem because they know something about themselves.

    Replies: @guest007, @Jack P

    East coast cities have some tough, macho white guys. Seattle and San Fran, maybe not though.

  146. Word from Philly,nine shot outside A bar.No idea about the race.😆

  147. @PhysicistDave
    OT, or maybe not: Thursday night's episode of the TV show Law and Order focused on the epidemic of large-scale, unrestrained shoplifting in New York City. A responsible citizen (a White guy) who tried to stop one of the shoplifters was shot and killed (the shoplifter was a "person of color").

    And a key plot element was that one of the ADAs on the show could have and should have put the murderer away a year or so earlier for armed robbery.

    As Sailer has pointed out, Law and Order used to lean to the left.

    But this episode could have been a campaign commercial for Lee Zeldin.

    Producer Dick Wolf has a sense for the pulse of the country.

    Americans are not happy.

    The election on Tuesday is going to be interesting.

    Replies: @Renard, @Mr. Anon, @possumman, @Anon, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Jack P

    I wouldn’t say that necessarily L&O leans left – while they are looking for the great white defendant, the show is also very pro-police and prosecutors.

  148. @Jack D
    In the case of Tulsa, where an unusually high 39% of homicide victims are white, I wonder how many "whites" in Oklahoma are really detribalized mixed blood Indians? And not in the Liz Warren sense but actual significant components of Indian DNA?

    Tribal enrollment in America is a strange and arbitrary thing. Some people with very little (sometimes zero) Indian blood ended up on the tribal rolls (especially but not only after there was casino money in it) and other people with significant Indian blood crossed the color line and ended up being "white".

    Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Steve Sailer

    The U. of Oklahoma Heisman-winning quarterback Sam Bradford a decade or so ago looked quite Amerindian. He was kind of puzzled by the attention because he didn’t identify as Indian and thought it was just a minor bit of ancestry. I think he turned out to be 1/16th.

    One of the first two Senators from OK was a small bit Indian — He’d won a $5 million judgment for the Cherokee from the federal government for the Trail of Tears 60 years before.

    The other of the first two Senators was Gore Vidal’s blind grandfather, who had a prodigious memory that allowed him to practice law without being able to read.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Steve Sailer

    Wasn’t John Nance ‘Cactus Jack’ Garner, FDR’s first VP, part redskin and brought up on a reservation?

    I read that somewhere.

    Indian VP long before Karamella, used to spit in a spitoon rather than s-it in the street.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  149. @Not Raul

    An interesting question is what fraction of that 7.2 rate in Indianapolis were killed by other whites? In general, I’d of course say, “Most.”
     
    This is a fascinating question.

    I’ve been thinking about it on an off for years.

    Here are some reasonable assumptions, IMHO:

    The fraction (call this “f(x)”) is somewhere between 100% and the White Share of Homicides (I’ll call this “x”); and of the two, usually closer to 100% than x.

    When x = 100%, f(x) is essentially 100%. When x = 80%, f(x) is very close to 100%.

    The closer x is to 100%, the more (100% - f(x)) “shrinks” to zero. Let’s call this shrinkage factor “g(x)”, where g(x) = 1 when x = 0, and g(x) = 0 for x = 100%.

    To make things simpler, for 100%, put 1.

    Here’s a guess: g(x) = (1 - x)(1 -x)

    So, (1 - f(x)) = (1 - x)g(x) = (1 - x)(1 - x)(1 - x)

    So, f(x) = 1 -((1 - x)(1 - x)(1 - x))

    That’s just an initial guess. It’s probably too high; but perhaps it can be plugged in to Bayes’ Theorem as a prior.

    Sorry for the notation. Doing this on my phone.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

    Can you do Marion IN vs. Tulsa OK for me?

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Steve Sailer

    OK.

    Tulsa .18

    Marion .39

    Tulsa: 1 - (1 - .18)^3 = 45%

    Marion: 1 - (1 - .39)^3 = 77%

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  150. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    One punk rock star killed another in a fight over a girl in a parking garage.
     
    Some female journalist once asked why they are always porn stars. Was this guy really a star, or is punk the musical counterpart to skin flicks?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    My impression from briefly looking up the story 12 years ago is the two guys fighting appeared to be known to aficionados of their musical niche. But it was 12 years ago …

    Music is really fragmented these days, so there are a lot of individuals who can be referred to as stars. It’s been that way for a long time. My wife took guitar lessons at the Old Town School of Folk Music from a singer-songwriter named Robbie Fulks. In other words, he was scraping by, but when I mention his name, some readers comment favorably upon him. He’s a star to a few readers.

    In some ways, the current situation is fairer than in 1975 when rock stars were bigger but fewer. But it’s a tough way to eke out a living.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    Money-wise, it's all lunatic.

    https://www.celebritynetworth.com/list/top-50-richest-celebrities/
    ..............................

    Rihanna Net Worth..... $1.7 Billion

    Kim Kardashian Net Worth.....$1.4 Billion

    Paul McCartney Net Worth..... $1.2 Billion

    Peter Jackson Net Worth .... $1 Billion

    P Diddy Net Worth .... $900 Million

    Kylie Jenner Net Worth ... $750 Million

    Tom Cruise Net Worth ...$600 Million

    Dr Dre Net Worth .... $500 Million

    Mick Jagger Net Worth .... $500 Million

    Brad Pitt Net Worth ... $300 Million

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Muggles

    , @Cutter
    @Steve Sailer

    Fragmented doesn't begin to describe it. Country-rap is a viable genre despite no terrestrial radio play (and the sort of iconography you'd associate with working-class white guys from the South).

    The soundtrack to "Drive" spawned an entire microgenre of music (that's probably big enough now to be a niche genre).

  151. @Almost Missouri
    @prime noticer


    Vegas has always been somewhat dangerous
     
    Stephen Paddock* may have single-handedly goosed up Las Vegas's numbers. That shooting was sort of a white-on-white 9-11.

    The post doesn't say which years the stats are from, but if it's like the black homicides post, it starts in 2018, which excludes the Paddock Effect.

    ---------

    *Assuming he was the killer. The investigation was unusually incompetent.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Yes, the data is from 2018-2021, so it misses the Las Vegas massacre. I do recall from murder statistics from that year that it singlehandedly vaulted Las Vegas into Detroit territory.

    Thank God that style of mass shooting hasn’t (so far) become a Thing that monsters try to replicate, like Columbine did.

  152. @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar


    What is the cutoff?
     
    Spot checking, it looks like about 400k, i.e., just above San Francisco.

    Another question is how many actual homicides does this list represent? I think that nationally something like 6000 whites die by homicide per year. So what portion of the 6000 are on this list? And how does that compare with the portion of the national white population on the list?

    My understanding is that the 6000 homicides includes suicides, domestic disputes, and maybe other things in which the deceased arguably has some responsibility. But what I suspect most people reading these lists want to know is, "Where am I least/most likely to be randomly killed though no fault of my own?" If you take out the suicides, domestics, weird manslaughter cases with deceased culpability, etc., how many of the 6000 are left?

    I've argued elsewhere that the interracial murders (which likely skew "random") of whites by blacks are at least 400/year, very likely at least double that, and perhaps quadruple. And that was using pre-BLM/Racial Reckoning numbers. So of 6000 recent white homicides, a big chunk (1000+) are probably death-by-blacks. Pare away the suicides, etc. to look at just the more random and avoidable murders, and avoiding the murdery race is an obvious strategy.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

    Suicides aren’t part of the CDC’s homicide count, except for suicides-by-cop, which are maybe a couple of hundred per year.

    The FBI data and the old Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide report have some % of domestics, but I don’t remember them.

    “Where am I least/most likely to be randomly killed though no fault of my own?”

    New York City is worrisome that way because unless you are in the limousine class you will take the subway and walk the crowded street. In, say, Houston you aren’t all that exposed to dangerous men unless you choose to get out of your F-150 and associate with them. But in NYC you have to be exposed to huge numbers of people per day, riding around with them underground in a metal box. If the authorities aren’t rounding up the scary guys, it’s concerning for you even if you never got attacked.

    For example, I knew a young lady who got punched in the head in the 42nd St. subway station at the modern safest time for NYC a few years ago by a local celebrity psycho, the Free Hug Thug Jermaine Himmelstein (IIRC the spelling of his name), who’d been accosting white women for years with a cardboard sign offering “Free Hugs” and then hitting them if they didn’t agree to be hugged. He had been profiled in the NYT years before with an article that started off charming and wound up scary and briefly featured in the “Angry Birds” movie. A few months later he punched a Canadian girl in Times Square and the security cam video went viral and he finally got locked up for awhile.

    This helps explain why NYC over a quarter of a century mustered the political will to finally Do Something about street crime.

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks Steve.

    I think a lot of folks in Houston conceal carry (some even open carry)…I think if you are a criminal and a potential victim may pull out a .38 or a 9mm, you might reconsider your career choice.

    I am pretty sure that north of 60-70% of all drivers in Houston have at least one firearm in the glove compartment, some add more in the back seat or the trunk.

    (I have several friends who ready for just about any eventuality; shotguns, AR-15s, in the trunk etc aren’t unusual at all.)

    I am not sure if the frequently stated: “an armed society is a polite society” is always accurate, but will state that road rage is pretty rare here; by comparison, Boston drivers feel free to road rage at one another since very few are armed, etc.

    Great to hear that this Himmelstein psycho is finally locked away. Given the behavior, he would have, sooner or later, accidentally/on purpose, killed someone.

  153. @Inquiring Mind
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Almost as astounding as the Adelson-Markel blood feud/custody battle in Northern Florida?

    Kudos to the State of Ohio for cracking the case. The case in Florida is still clunking along, Southern Justice-style.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    The Adelson-Markel feud is a ridiculous mishmash of Jewish and Latino-mystery meat dealings. It always surprises me how stupid and cheap actual hitmen are.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    It always surprises me how stupid and cheap actual hitmen are.
     
    Even stupider are the people who hire them. They think getting some lowlife criminal to do the dirty work will protect them from any legal consequences. Needless to say, when the hitmen get caught, the first thing they do is give up whoever paid them.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Brutusale

  154. @Almost Missouri
    @prime noticer


    Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country?
     
    Not in the the entire country, just among the top 100 white-inhabited counties. In other words, among the places where whites cluster the most, which one suffers the most homicide? Answer: Indianapolis.

    And this list is by address of the deceased rather than by location of the homicide. I wonder how much different the list would be if it were by the latter? I guess the methodological problem is that then you would be comparing a list of where whites most die by homicide versus a list of where whites live, and then they wouldn't be the same list. Still, there might be some interesting things you could do with that. It would be a way to remove from Steve's OP list the places where residents are killed elsewhere even if their residences happen to be there, for instance. That would make counties that border much worse cities look less dangerous, I suppose.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Probably whites in the St. Louis suburb counties are the most likely to get murdered when they come into the city for work or fun. But it’s still not a big number. I can recall a murder in Chicago’s Loop (one businessman shot his partner) in the 1990s where it explained in the papers that it was the first murder in the Loop in quite a few years.

    Like I say, having a lot of male yuppies walking around is good for street safety. I can recall noticing when watching Chicago local news that when they interviewed some hero bystander who’d rescued somebody from some disaster, the modal hero was some 28 year old white guy who talked like a Big Ten grad who probably had been in a fraternity: basically, Haven Monahan avant la lettre.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Steve Sailer


    Like I say, having a lot of male yuppies walking around is good for street safety. I can recall noticing when watching Chicago local news that when they interviewed some hero bystander who’d rescued somebody from some disaster, the modal hero was some 28 year old white guy who talked like a Big Ten grad who probably had been in a fraternity: basically, Haven Monahan avant la lettre.
     
    And that guy eating chips in the middle of a domestic dispute on the NYC subway. Dollars to donuts he was from the Midwest.

    ETA: he's from Rhode Island. I owe everyone doughnuts.


    Former Rhode Island state wrestling champion


     

    Researching this, every page included magic negroes in ads.
  155. @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad


    returning to eugenic fertility
     
    Reg Cæsar's upthread question about where the cutoff to the top 100 white counties is got me interested enough to download some 2010 census numbers. (Are they still counting 2020? I couldn't find those data by county and race at census.gov. BTW Reg, the 2010 cutoff is 390k.) The data were divided by sex (the Census hasn't gotten the memo about 57 genders or whatever, thankfully), and it was apparent that the sexes weren't evenly balanced geographically. So, as a public service to white—or other—readers who want to mate with whites, here is a synopsis of the US counties with most "extra" white women and white men. ("White" here means non-Hispanic white, as defined by the Census Bureau.) Hey, News You Can Use!

    county-level name • state • 'extra' white women • white women as % of white men • notes
    Cook County • Illinois • 26717 • 102.4% • metro-Chicago
    Palm Beach County • Florida • 23206 • 106.0% • rich & retired
    Pinellas County • Florida • 23170 • 106.8% • metro-Tampa
    New York County • New York • 23058 • 105.9% • Manhattan
    Maricopa County • Arizona • 21233 • 101.8% • metro-Phoenix
    Essex County • Massachusetts • 20329 • 107.6% • metro-Boston
    Allegheny County • Pennsylvania • 20277 • 104.3% • metro-Pittsburgh
    Middlesex County • Massachusetts • 19982 • 103.5% • metro-Boston
    Suffolk County • New York • 18514 • 103.7% • 1525920 • eastern Long Island
    St. Louis County • Missouri • 17995 • 105.7% • metro-St. Louis

    In general, counties with most 'excess' white women were either Sun Belt retirement zones (which probably skew older, so beyond the fertility window) or—more surprising to me—the metro areas around older Rust Belt cities (Chicago, New York, Boston, St. Louis, Baltimore, Cleveland). I'm not sure what explains the latter group. Women left behind by men seeking fortune in the newer economy? Women demographically widowed by opioids?

    A couple of pattern-outliers were #11 Ocean County NJ (the Jersey Shore) and #12 Tarrant County TX (metro-Fort Worth). Not sure what's going on with those.

    county-level name • state • 'extra' white men • white women as % of white men • notes
    San Diego County • California • 47307 • 93.7% • military
    Los Angeles County • California • 39229 • 97.0% •
    San Francisco County • California • 32237 • 83.0% •
    Clark County • Nevada • 25178 • 94.7% • Las Vegas
    Santa Clara County • California • 23544 • 92.2% • Silicon Valley
    Honolulu County • Hawaii • 22660 • 77.7% • military
    King County • Washington • 22027 • 96.7% • metro-Seattle
    Onslow County • North Carolina • 17162 • 77.3% • military
    Broward County • Florida • 13122 • 96.1% • metro-Miami
    Miami-Dade County • Florida • 11945 • 93.7% •

    The general patterns here were counties with most 'excess' white men were either hosting military bases or were digital economy nerd zones. I don't know what the explanation for Los Angeles, Clark County, Broward and Miami-Dade are.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri, @Steve Sailer

    Are you specifying “non-Hispanic white”? L.A. has a lot of illegal immigrant sojourners making money who skew highly male.

    Otherwise, Los Angeles County’s male excess is likely gay. L.A. isn’t as gay as S.F., but gay men find a lot of work in the entertainment industry. Riverside County, CA probably has a higher proportion of elderly males due to Hollywood gays retiring to Palm Springs.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Steve Sailer


    Are you specifying “non-Hispanic white”?
     
    Yeah, I used the "NHWA_MALE" and "NHWA_FEMALE" codes, which the Census defines as "Not Hispanic, White alone" ("alone" meaning not mixed race).

    https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/technical-documentation/file-layouts/2010-2018/cc-est2018-alldata.pdf

    L.A. has a lot of illegal immigrant sojourners making money who skew highly male.
     
    Yeah that was my immediate thought at seeing the big male surpluses in LA, Las Vegas, and metro-Miami: "obviously Latino migrants". But then I remembered that I had already filtered for non-Hispanic. Maybe there's a subset of Latin Americans migrants who don't identify themselves as "Hispanic" on government forms, either because they (erroneously) assume it will somehow disadvantage them or because they just don't understand the the forms? Not all campesino migrants are literate. But then Miami Hispanics tend to be more Caribbean and South American than the Central Americans who dominate Southwestern migration, so it seems less likely they would log the same errors.

    Otherwise, Los Angeles County’s male excess is likely gay.
     
    That was AnotherDad's hypothesis too. I admit it hadn't occurred to me.

    One way to test—or at least create a reference for—the hypothesis is to look at the census tracts for "pure play" gay zones, like Provincetown, Fire Island, and Key West, to see how pronounced is the male skew. It is slightly baffling that women would be disproportionately attracted to the bright-lights-big-city of cold and dangerous New York, Boston (okay, Boston's not that dangerous), and DC, yet not to warm and sunny LA and Miami. Or maybe they do go to sunshine, but their numbers are overwhelmed by gays seeking hedonism? I mean, NYC, DC, and Boston have a certain amount of gay clustering too, right? So why are they overwhelmed by young women in those towns?

    Altogether it's an odd pattern that I can't think of any clear and consistent explanation for.

    Replies: @ginger bread man

  156. @Almost Missouri
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks, but I think you dropped a decimal place on whites killing blacks.

    OTOH, 1) some number of those "whites" are actually Hispanics, and 2) they're only counting about half of the homicides.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes, you’re right.

    It’s 8.4%.

    Strange, calculator made the same mistake twice, as I calculated for the first time. It was suspicious to me, but it gave 0.0084….twice.

  157. @Almost Missouri
    @Almost Missouri

    Important Update!

    Puzzling over the mystery of the Rust Belt women, above, I decided to check the age cohorts of the surplus men and women. It turns out that while restricting the age cohorts to the 15-39 prime fertility window makes almost no difference for men, it completely overturns the result for women! Apparently those Rust Belt women were those who outlived their men but can't afford or don't want to retire to the Sun Belt.

    So where the young white wimmenz at? Read on...

    county • state • ‘extra’ white women • white women as % of white men • notes
    New York County • New York • 16934 • 110.6% • Manhattan
    District of Columbia • District of Columbia • 6243 • 109.5% •
    Suffolk County • Massachusetts • 5865 • 106.6% • Boston
    Kings County • New York • 5017 • 102.6% • Brooklyn
    Hampshire County • Massachusetts • 3606 • 115.0% • Amherst, lesbian mecca
    Davidson County • Tennessee • 3562 • 104.4% • Nashville
    Marion County • Indiana • 2437 • 102.7% • Indianapolis
    Orange County • North Carolina • 2388 • 112.9% • Chapel Hill
    Guilford County • North Carolina • 2166 • 105.7% • Greensboro
    DeKalb County • Georgia • 2105 • 105.7% • metro-Atlanta
    New Hanover County • North Carolina • 1963 • 106.8% • Wilmington
    Harrisonburg city • Virginia • 1794 • 120.9% • Shenandoah Valley
    Boone County • Missouri • 1783 • 106.1% • Columbia
    Pitt County • North Carolina • 1686 • 109.4% • Greenville
    Jefferson County • Alabama • 1678 • 103.2% • Birmingham
    McLean County • Illinois • 1593 • 106.4% • Bloomington
    Multnomah County • Oregon • 1547 • 101.5% • Portland
    Philadelphia County • Pennsylvania • 1522 • 101.4% •
    Essex County • Massachusetts • 1486 • 101.9% • metro-Boston

    The first observation here is that almost all of these places are east of the Mississippi. Apparently the West is still too Wild as far as young women are concerned. Second observation is that blue city skankopolises have deep reserves of young white women: NYC, DC, Boston, Portland, Philly, etc. NYC by itself dwarfs the rest of the list.

    But there is also a heretofore undetected seam of redstate women in the central and southern Piedmont: Nashville, Chapel Hill, Greensboro, DeKalb, Wilmington NC, Harrisonburg, Greenville NC, Birmingham. Finally, there are few semi-obscure flyover daisies: Indianapolis, Columbia MO, Bloomington IL. Outside of the metropolises, it seems young white women cluster around second- or third-tier college towns.

    Okay, you have the intel, now you can go forth and multiply!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Renard

    Are you specifying “non-Hispanic white”? L.A. has a lot of illegal immigrant sojourners making money who skew highly male.

    Otherwise, Los Angeles County’s male excess is likely gay. L.A. isn’t as gay as S.F., but gay men find a lot of work in the entertainment industry. Riverside County, CA probably has a higher proportion of elderly males due to Hollywood gays retiring to Palm Springs.

  158. @Almost Missouri
    @Almost Missouri

    Important Update!

    Puzzling over the mystery of the Rust Belt women, above, I decided to check the age cohorts of the surplus men and women. It turns out that while restricting the age cohorts to the 15-39 prime fertility window makes almost no difference for men, it completely overturns the result for women! Apparently those Rust Belt women were those who outlived their men but can't afford or don't want to retire to the Sun Belt.

    So where the young white wimmenz at? Read on...

    county • state • ‘extra’ white women • white women as % of white men • notes
    New York County • New York • 16934 • 110.6% • Manhattan
    District of Columbia • District of Columbia • 6243 • 109.5% •
    Suffolk County • Massachusetts • 5865 • 106.6% • Boston
    Kings County • New York • 5017 • 102.6% • Brooklyn
    Hampshire County • Massachusetts • 3606 • 115.0% • Amherst, lesbian mecca
    Davidson County • Tennessee • 3562 • 104.4% • Nashville
    Marion County • Indiana • 2437 • 102.7% • Indianapolis
    Orange County • North Carolina • 2388 • 112.9% • Chapel Hill
    Guilford County • North Carolina • 2166 • 105.7% • Greensboro
    DeKalb County • Georgia • 2105 • 105.7% • metro-Atlanta
    New Hanover County • North Carolina • 1963 • 106.8% • Wilmington
    Harrisonburg city • Virginia • 1794 • 120.9% • Shenandoah Valley
    Boone County • Missouri • 1783 • 106.1% • Columbia
    Pitt County • North Carolina • 1686 • 109.4% • Greenville
    Jefferson County • Alabama • 1678 • 103.2% • Birmingham
    McLean County • Illinois • 1593 • 106.4% • Bloomington
    Multnomah County • Oregon • 1547 • 101.5% • Portland
    Philadelphia County • Pennsylvania • 1522 • 101.4% •
    Essex County • Massachusetts • 1486 • 101.9% • metro-Boston

    The first observation here is that almost all of these places are east of the Mississippi. Apparently the West is still too Wild as far as young women are concerned. Second observation is that blue city skankopolises have deep reserves of young white women: NYC, DC, Boston, Portland, Philly, etc. NYC by itself dwarfs the rest of the list.

    But there is also a heretofore undetected seam of redstate women in the central and southern Piedmont: Nashville, Chapel Hill, Greensboro, DeKalb, Wilmington NC, Harrisonburg, Greenville NC, Birmingham. Finally, there are few semi-obscure flyover daisies: Indianapolis, Columbia MO, Bloomington IL. Outside of the metropolises, it seems young white women cluster around second- or third-tier college towns.

    Okay, you have the intel, now you can go forth and multiply!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Renard

    Thanks, I’d like to publish your list of places with excess white women.

    Can you confirm these are _non-Hispanic_ whites? I recall that Richard Florida years ago published a list of where the men are at for the benefit of women in which California coastal cities ranked high, but I pointed out that it was basically a list of cities with a lot of illegal aliens.

    Also, would it be possible to boost the minimum age to 18 or so? Probably not, in that age 15-24 is a standard federal age category, but I can imagine being lit up for, seemingly, trying to marry off minors. Actually, 25-34 is a pretty good age range as well in that guys interested in this ranking will likely not be that young.

    Indeed, ranking places with excess women 35-44 might be salutary to younger women in Manhattan considering whether to accept that proposal from their current boyfriend who wants to move to the suburbs or hold out for Mr. Big who will furnish them with the limousine lifestyle in Manhattan.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Steve Sailer


    Can you confirm these are _non-Hispanic_ whites?
     
    I'd be happy to send you the spreadsheet. I could have done the whole thing in spreadsheets, which are easier to audit, but I used MS Access to speed the thing along. Are you familiar with Access?

    The data source is a single 42 megabyte file called "cc-est2021-all.csv", available here:

    https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/datasets/2020-2021/counties/asrh/

    BTW, did you use 2020 census numbers for your lists, and if so, where did you get them? In spite of being expensively designed, the Census website is not very clear. I had better luck finding things using a third-party search engine on the site.

    It's a little embarrassing using 12-year-old data when we just had a new census.

    Richard Florida years ago published a list of where the men are at for the benefit of women in which California coastal cities ranked high, but I pointed out that it was basically a list of cities with a lot of illegal aliens.
     
    Perhaps his hidden agenda was to facilitate anchor marriages for illegals?

    would it be possible to boost the minimum age to 18 or so?
     
    As shown in the Census's code document,

    https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/technical-documentation/file-layouts/2010-2018/cc-est2018-alldata.pdf

    the ages are in five-year buckets, so you can include or exclude the 15-19 year-old range together. Excluding them might de-emphasize the college towns somewhat.

    I can imagine being lit up for, seemingly, trying to marry off minors.
     
    I understand, but what about your 16-year-old boy readers? They need girlfriends too.

    Actually, 25-34 is a pretty good age range as well in that guys interested in this ranking will likely not be that young.
     
    Code "6" and "7" in "AGEGRP".

    Indeed, ranking places with excess women 35-44 might be salutary to younger women in Manhattan considering whether to accept that proposal from their current boyfriend who wants to move to the suburbs or hold out for Mr. Big who will furnish them with the limousine lifestyle in Manhattan.
     
    Lol. Code "8" and "9" in "AGEGRP".

    If we're getting down to more perishable 10-year age ranges, it makes me even less happy with the 12 years out-of-date census numbers. Is the computerized Census Bureau even slower at counting things than the California Board of Elections? I gotta think those 2020 numbers are out there somewhere. OTOH, maybe 2020 would be distorted by pandemic/lockdowns? College students at their parents' homes instead of college towns, etc.?
    , @Ralph L
    @Steve Sailer

    No doubt thousands of young urban women follow iSteve for the dating advice.

    Replies: @Kylie

  159. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Inquiring Mind

    The Adelson-Markel feud is a ridiculous mishmash of Jewish and Latino-mystery meat dealings. It always surprises me how stupid and cheap actual hitmen are.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    It always surprises me how stupid and cheap actual hitmen are.

    Even stupider are the people who hire them. They think getting some lowlife criminal to do the dirty work will protect them from any legal consequences. Needless to say, when the hitmen get caught, the first thing they do is give up whoever paid them.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Rob McX

    Except in the Markel case, the hitman did not. Neither did the liaison between the hitman and the Adelson family. It was the old friend the hitman asked along as a companion that cracked. They also got some leads from Wendy Adelson's disaffected bf. (He adored her, but contact with brother Charlie and the whole mise en scene in the Adelson family persuaded him to get away from her). The court system in Florida has been remarkably otiose in processing the case and it's only recently that the police and prosecutor concluded they had enough to bring charges against Charlie. There is evidence implicating Donna Adelson, but evidently not enough in their judgment. The role Harvey Adelson and his daughter played in the business remains a question mark, though they're certainly covering for Donna and Charlie. (The oldest of the Adelson children lives in Albany, NY with his family and has been estranged from them since around about 2004).

    , @Brutusale
    @Rob McX

    Real hitmen are staff, not hirees.

  160. @Steve Sailer
    @Cutter

    Black pimps at least dressed up and put on a show for their ladies. Rotherham-style Pakistani pimps in track suits ... now that I really don't get.

    Replies: @Cutter, @Bardon Kaldian

    Rotherham was about exploitation of the vulnerable.
    …………………………………………………..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal#Murder_of_Laura_Wilson

    In 2012 Rotherham Council applied to the High Court for an injunction to stop Norfolk publishing an unredacted version of a serious case review written after the murder of a local girl, Laura Wilson.

    Known in the review as “Child S”, Wilson was 17 in October 2010 when she was stabbed 40 times and thrown in the canal by her 17-year-old ex-boyfriend, Ashtiaq Asghar, an act the police called an “honour killing”. She had had a baby four months earlier by a 21-year-old married man. The families of the men, both Pakistani heritage, had apparently been unaware of the relationships and the existence of the child. Tired of being a secret, Wilson decided to tell them. Days later, the ex-boyfriend murdered her. Both men stood trial; the older man was acquitted, and Asghar was jailed for 17 years and six months.

    Assessed as having an IQ of 56 and a reading and spelling age of 6, Wilson had been the target of localised grooming from at least age 11.
    The council had referred her to Risky Business three months after her 11th birthday, and when she was 13, Wilson and her family had appeared on The Jeremy Kyle Show to discuss children who were out of control. She had also been mentioned in the 2009 criminal inquiry that led to the first five convictions arising out of localised grooming in Rotherham.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @Bardon Kaldian

    IQ 56 is Mensa level in Pakistan.

  161. @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    My impression from briefly looking up the story 12 years ago is the two guys fighting appeared to be known to aficionados of their musical niche. But it was 12 years ago ...

    Music is really fragmented these days, so there are a lot of individuals who can be referred to as stars. It's been that way for a long time. My wife took guitar lessons at the Old Town School of Folk Music from a singer-songwriter named Robbie Fulks. In other words, he was scraping by, but when I mention his name, some readers comment favorably upon him. He's a star to a few readers.

    In some ways, the current situation is fairer than in 1975 when rock stars were bigger but fewer. But it's a tough way to eke out a living.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Cutter

    Money-wise, it’s all lunatic.

    https://www.celebritynetworth.com/list/top-50-richest-celebrities/
    …………………………

    Rihanna Net Worth….. $1.7 Billion

    Kim Kardashian Net Worth…..$1.4 Billion

    Paul McCartney Net Worth….. $1.2 Billion

    Peter Jackson Net Worth …. $1 Billion

    P Diddy Net Worth …. $900 Million

    Kylie Jenner Net Worth … $750 Million

    Tom Cruise Net Worth …$600 Million

    Dr Dre Net Worth …. $500 Million

    Mick Jagger Net Worth …. $500 Million

    Brad Pitt Net Worth … $300 Million

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Why aren't McCartney, Jagger, and Cruise the richest entertainers? Where's Spielberg? Off hand, those seem like the Big 4.

    Presumably, McCartney and Jagger were ripped off of the rights to their best songs and had to expensively reclaim them?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Almost Missouri

    , @Muggles
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I would take these "net worth" figures with a grain of salt.

    First, no one on these lists (until bankrupt or in some public court battle) discloses that amount. Much of these are guestimates by various financial or entertainment publications or outlets.

    Most of those are based on secondary businesses which these figures have deals with. For endorsements or supposed advice or "design" etc. So they are getting royalty streams, one way or another. Others have disclosed real estate holdings, which are sizable but not that large.

    Much of that business is privately held and has debt. How liquid they are no one outside of their advisors know. So yes, "worth" a lot, now, if things remain stable. Others have music rights which are valuable but I think Dylan only got around $300 million for his, pre tax.

    If the now current (#1.9 billion) PowerBall winner takes cash, their net AFTER TAX cash now take will be around $ 480 million, depending on what state they live in. Assuming a single winner. My guess is that amount would be far above the liquid assets of most if not all on this list.

    The looming recession/depression will drop these figures by large fractions. Just ask Zuckerberg.

    Some of the actors and others may have quite large investment portfolios, which are also subject to market trends. Do any of these have a Scrooge McDuck vault full of cash and coin? No.

    In the ever changing market economy, valuations go up and down. If you sell a big chunk of X, the value of that is likely to be less than what investors pay for small bits of that. Big sales depress most markets. Franchise deals are worth tomorrow what tomorrows sales will bring.

    Better get my PowerBall winner bought soon. Those last ones didn't pan out...

  162. @Almost Missouri
    @Almost Missouri

    Important Update!

    Puzzling over the mystery of the Rust Belt women, above, I decided to check the age cohorts of the surplus men and women. It turns out that while restricting the age cohorts to the 15-39 prime fertility window makes almost no difference for men, it completely overturns the result for women! Apparently those Rust Belt women were those who outlived their men but can't afford or don't want to retire to the Sun Belt.

    So where the young white wimmenz at? Read on...

    county • state • ‘extra’ white women • white women as % of white men • notes
    New York County • New York • 16934 • 110.6% • Manhattan
    District of Columbia • District of Columbia • 6243 • 109.5% •
    Suffolk County • Massachusetts • 5865 • 106.6% • Boston
    Kings County • New York • 5017 • 102.6% • Brooklyn
    Hampshire County • Massachusetts • 3606 • 115.0% • Amherst, lesbian mecca
    Davidson County • Tennessee • 3562 • 104.4% • Nashville
    Marion County • Indiana • 2437 • 102.7% • Indianapolis
    Orange County • North Carolina • 2388 • 112.9% • Chapel Hill
    Guilford County • North Carolina • 2166 • 105.7% • Greensboro
    DeKalb County • Georgia • 2105 • 105.7% • metro-Atlanta
    New Hanover County • North Carolina • 1963 • 106.8% • Wilmington
    Harrisonburg city • Virginia • 1794 • 120.9% • Shenandoah Valley
    Boone County • Missouri • 1783 • 106.1% • Columbia
    Pitt County • North Carolina • 1686 • 109.4% • Greenville
    Jefferson County • Alabama • 1678 • 103.2% • Birmingham
    McLean County • Illinois • 1593 • 106.4% • Bloomington
    Multnomah County • Oregon • 1547 • 101.5% • Portland
    Philadelphia County • Pennsylvania • 1522 • 101.4% •
    Essex County • Massachusetts • 1486 • 101.9% • metro-Boston

    The first observation here is that almost all of these places are east of the Mississippi. Apparently the West is still too Wild as far as young women are concerned. Second observation is that blue city skankopolises have deep reserves of young white women: NYC, DC, Boston, Portland, Philly, etc. NYC by itself dwarfs the rest of the list.

    But there is also a heretofore undetected seam of redstate women in the central and southern Piedmont: Nashville, Chapel Hill, Greensboro, DeKalb, Wilmington NC, Harrisonburg, Greenville NC, Birmingham. Finally, there are few semi-obscure flyover daisies: Indianapolis, Columbia MO, Bloomington IL. Outside of the metropolises, it seems young white women cluster around second- or third-tier college towns.

    Okay, you have the intel, now you can go forth and multiply!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Renard

    But there is also a heretofore undetected seam of redstate women in the central and southern Piedmont: Nashville, Chapel Hill, Greensboro, DeKalb, Wilmington NC, Harrisonburg, Greenville NC, Birmingham. Finally, there are few semi-obscure flyover daisies: Indianapolis, Columbia MO, Bloomington IL. Outside of the metropolises, it seems young white women cluster around second- or third-tier college towns.

    Thanks, and I was about to point out that many of these are college towns, but you got that too.

    Many if not most colleges in the United States are now 60+ percent female. I miss college sometimes.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Renard

    What's the geographic effect of medical centers? I recently spent a night in a part of downtown Spokane that was wall-to-wall hospitals. Are these neighborhoods more female?

    Nurses these days are paid well but, while feminine, they tend to be a little less delicate than other women: e.g., nurse-cop married couples making, say, $250k seem to be increasingly common.

  163. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    I read all of Jill Leovy's LA Times Homicide Blog listings for male 15-29 victims in Los Angeles County in for 2007-2009. White guys tended to be domestics (often murder-suicides), suicides by cop, people involved with drugs, career criminals, white criminals who hung out with Hispanic gangs (probably due to a lack of white gangs in LA County), Armenians and Russians and the like. One punk rock star killed another in a fight over a girl in a parking garage.

    Offhand, I remember one white engineer who was murdered when he chased after the black thieves who stole his iPod, but not too many other black on white killings of clearly innocent young white men. (Of course, young men don't get picked on as much as more vulnerable cohorts do if they're just minding their own business.)

    In 3 years in LA County (population 10 million), there was one case of one suburban white kid killing another in a fight in a high school parking lot. That seemed like the second most likely case to be made into a movie. The most likely was the on-and-off question of whether to charge Michael Jackson's doctor with homicide for injecting him with a heavy anesthetic at his request so he could get some sleep.

    But Los Angeles whites are particularly well-behaved in the 21st Century due to high rent having cleared out the riff-raff.

    Replies: @Bill P, @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Renard

    When you consider how manically Hollwood has been promoting violence and gunplay for decades now, it’s surely notable how few white guys have signed on. Are white guys genetically impervious to the brainwashing? Or are they just not very violent?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Renard

    Tarantino spells that out in "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" -- just because you like movies and TV shows about guys shooting guys, you don't have to, actually, do it. Only Charles Manson's chicks seize about that justification for their crimes.

  164. @Renard
    @Steve Sailer

    When you consider how manically Hollwood has been promoting violence and gunplay for decades now, it's surely notable how few white guys have signed on. Are white guys genetically impervious to the brainwashing? Or are they just not very violent?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Tarantino spells that out in “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood” — just because you like movies and TV shows about guys shooting guys, you don’t have to, actually, do it. Only Charles Manson’s chicks seize about that justification for their crimes.

  165. @Renard
    @Almost Missouri


    But there is also a heretofore undetected seam of redstate women in the central and southern Piedmont: Nashville, Chapel Hill, Greensboro, DeKalb, Wilmington NC, Harrisonburg, Greenville NC, Birmingham. Finally, there are few semi-obscure flyover daisies: Indianapolis, Columbia MO, Bloomington IL. Outside of the metropolises, it seems young white women cluster around second- or third-tier college towns.
     
    Thanks, and I was about to point out that many of these are college towns, but you got that too.

    Many if not most colleges in the United States are now 60+ percent female. I miss college sometimes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    What’s the geographic effect of medical centers? I recently spent a night in a part of downtown Spokane that was wall-to-wall hospitals. Are these neighborhoods more female?

    Nurses these days are paid well but, while feminine, they tend to be a little less delicate than other women: e.g., nurse-cop married couples making, say, $250k seem to be increasingly common.

  166. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    Money-wise, it's all lunatic.

    https://www.celebritynetworth.com/list/top-50-richest-celebrities/
    ..............................

    Rihanna Net Worth..... $1.7 Billion

    Kim Kardashian Net Worth.....$1.4 Billion

    Paul McCartney Net Worth..... $1.2 Billion

    Peter Jackson Net Worth .... $1 Billion

    P Diddy Net Worth .... $900 Million

    Kylie Jenner Net Worth ... $750 Million

    Tom Cruise Net Worth ...$600 Million

    Dr Dre Net Worth .... $500 Million

    Mick Jagger Net Worth .... $500 Million

    Brad Pitt Net Worth ... $300 Million

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Muggles

    Why aren’t McCartney, Jagger, and Cruise the richest entertainers? Where’s Spielberg? Off hand, those seem like the Big 4.

    Presumably, McCartney and Jagger were ripped off of the rights to their best songs and had to expensively reclaim them?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    Spielberg is at the top, with Lucas:

    George Lucas Net Worth ... $10 Billion

    Steven Spielberg Net Worth ... $8 Billion

    Oprah Winfrey Net Worth ... $3.5 Billion

    For Kanye West, data are confusing: according to the list, he's $4 Billion & if we look at his page, it's "only" $1 Billion.

    Anyway, he's 2 or 8 times richer than Mick.

    But, what is evident: rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are way richer than entertainers who made a historical-cultural impact like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger.

    Then, there is one thing I find even more confusing: James Watson is the richest scientist, worth $ 20 Billion (most of the rest are also in medical technology & similar fields).

    https://bscholarly.com/richest-scientists-in-the-world/

    1. JAMES WATSON: James Watson is the world’s richest scientist with a net worth of $20 billion.

    https://egscholars.com/2022/04/16/top-10-richest-scientists-in-the-world/

    James Watson is the richest scientist in the world with a net worth of $20 billion. Watson is an American biologist, geneticist, and zoologist who is best known for his work on the double helix structure of the DNA molecule. He earned his degrees at the University of Chicago in 1947 and a Ph.D. from Indiana University in 1950.

    But- how is this possible?

    Founded a company? No. He's not an entrepreneur.

    If he's so filthy rich- why that circus about selling his Nobel medal?

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Almost Missouri

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Steve Sailer


    Why aren’t McCartney, Jagger, and Cruise the richest entertainers?
     
    When was the last time you or anyone you know spent any money on anything McCartney- or Jagger-related? There are a lot of young (and often colored—or is it "of color") people spending a lot of money on Rihanna/Kardashian/Jenner stuff right now.

    I did buy a ticket for that Cruise jet movie. You'd think he'd rate a little higher. OTOH he's had a couple of divorces, which get expensive.

    Where’s Spielberg?
     
    The list seems to focus on in-front-of-the-camera/public-eye type of people rather than producers/directors/machers, even if the former do a certain amount of what the latter do.

    Real question is where is Ye? Oh wait, now I remember ...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  167. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Are you specifying "non-Hispanic white"? L.A. has a lot of illegal immigrant sojourners making money who skew highly male.

    Otherwise, Los Angeles County's male excess is likely gay. L.A. isn't as gay as S.F., but gay men find a lot of work in the entertainment industry. Riverside County, CA probably has a higher proportion of elderly males due to Hollywood gays retiring to Palm Springs.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Are you specifying “non-Hispanic white”?

    Yeah, I used the “NHWA_MALE” and “NHWA_FEMALE” codes, which the Census defines as “Not Hispanic, White alone” (“alone” meaning not mixed race).

    https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/technical-documentation/file-layouts/2010-2018/cc-est2018-alldata.pdf

    L.A. has a lot of illegal immigrant sojourners making money who skew highly male.

    Yeah that was my immediate thought at seeing the big male surpluses in LA, Las Vegas, and metro-Miami: “obviously Latino migrants”. But then I remembered that I had already filtered for non-Hispanic. Maybe there’s a subset of Latin Americans migrants who don’t identify themselves as “Hispanic” on government forms, either because they (erroneously) assume it will somehow disadvantage them or because they just don’t understand the the forms? Not all campesino migrants are literate. But then Miami Hispanics tend to be more Caribbean and South American than the Central Americans who dominate Southwestern migration, so it seems less likely they would log the same errors.

    Otherwise, Los Angeles County’s male excess is likely gay.

    That was AnotherDad’s hypothesis too. I admit it hadn’t occurred to me.

    One way to test—or at least create a reference for—the hypothesis is to look at the census tracts for “pure play” gay zones, like Provincetown, Fire Island, and Key West, to see how pronounced is the male skew. It is slightly baffling that women would be disproportionately attracted to the bright-lights-big-city of cold and dangerous New York, Boston (okay, Boston’s not that dangerous), and DC, yet not to warm and sunny LA and Miami. Or maybe they do go to sunshine, but their numbers are overwhelmed by gays seeking hedonism? I mean, NYC, DC, and Boston have a certain amount of gay clustering too, right? So why are they overwhelmed by young women in those towns?

    Altogether it’s an odd pattern that I can’t think of any clear and consistent explanation for.

    • Replies: @ginger bread man
    @Almost Missouri


    look at the census tracts for “pure play” gay zones, like Provincetown, Fire Island, and Key West, to see how pronounced is the male skew.
     
    Those census tracts are all seasonal vacation homes. The gays don’t live there year round. Better to compare to gay census tracts in NYC like Murray hill or Chelsea, where they live all year round.
  168. @Steve Sailer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Why aren't McCartney, Jagger, and Cruise the richest entertainers? Where's Spielberg? Off hand, those seem like the Big 4.

    Presumably, McCartney and Jagger were ripped off of the rights to their best songs and had to expensively reclaim them?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Almost Missouri

    Spielberg is at the top, with Lucas:

    George Lucas Net Worth … $10 Billion

    Steven Spielberg Net Worth … $8 Billion

    Oprah Winfrey Net Worth … $3.5 Billion

    For Kanye West, data are confusing: according to the list, he’s $4 Billion & if we look at his page, it’s “only” $1 Billion.

    Anyway, he’s 2 or 8 times richer than Mick.

    But, what is evident: rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are way richer than entertainers who made a historical-cultural impact like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger.

    Then, there is one thing I find even more confusing: James Watson is the richest scientist, worth $ 20 Billion (most of the rest are also in medical technology & similar fields).

    https://bscholarly.com/richest-scientists-in-the-world/

    1. JAMES WATSON: James Watson is the world’s richest scientist with a net worth of $20 billion.

    https://egscholars.com/2022/04/16/top-10-richest-scientists-in-the-world/

    James Watson is the richest scientist in the world with a net worth of $20 billion. Watson is an American biologist, geneticist, and zoologist who is best known for his work on the double helix structure of the DNA molecule. He earned his degrees at the University of Chicago in 1947 and a Ph.D. from Indiana University in 1950.

    But- how is this possible?

    Founded a company? No. He’s not an entrepreneur.

    If he’s so filthy rich- why that circus about selling his Nobel medal?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Bardon Kaldian

    That's amazing about Watson. Does he have patents or something? I too thought he was strapped for cash when he sold his Nobel medal.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Bardon Kaldian


    rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are way richer than entertainers who made a historical-cultural impact like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger.
     
    Oh, rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are having a historical-cultural impact alright alright ...

    No one said "impact" had to be good.

    Don't forget that an older generation looked at McCartney and Jagger then the way you look at rappers and reality show celebrities now.

    James Watson is the world’s richest scientist with a net worth of $20 billion.
     
    Big, if true. And surprising.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Bardon Kaldian, @Richard B, @Richard B

  169. @Steve Sailer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Why aren't McCartney, Jagger, and Cruise the richest entertainers? Where's Spielberg? Off hand, those seem like the Big 4.

    Presumably, McCartney and Jagger were ripped off of the rights to their best songs and had to expensively reclaim them?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Almost Missouri

    Why aren’t McCartney, Jagger, and Cruise the richest entertainers?

    When was the last time you or anyone you know spent any money on anything McCartney- or Jagger-related? There are a lot of young (and often colored—or is it “of color”) people spending a lot of money on Rihanna/Kardashian/Jenner stuff right now.

    I did buy a ticket for that Cruise jet movie. You’d think he’d rate a little higher. OTOH he’s had a couple of divorces, which get expensive.

    Where’s Spielberg?

    The list seems to focus on in-front-of-the-camera/public-eye type of people rather than producers/directors/machers, even if the former do a certain amount of what the latter do.

    Real question is where is Ye? Oh wait, now I remember …

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Almost Missouri


    When was the last time you or anyone you know spent any money on anything McCartney- or Jagger-related?
     
    For a while in the early 1970s, the Osmonds were chasing the Beatles' sales records. What's remarkable is that they did this by selling exclusively to one sex.

    The born-mid-1950s-to-early-1960s Osmond cohort would have been slightly bigger than the slightly older Beatle audience. But nowhere near enough to explain this.

    My kids, born this century, listen to the Beatles. They've never even heard of the Osmonds. Unless they've watched Dancing With the Stars when we weren't looking. (BTW, who danced with Woz?)
  170. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Probably whites in the St. Louis suburb counties are the most likely to get murdered when they come into the city for work or fun. But it's still not a big number. I can recall a murder in Chicago's Loop (one businessman shot his partner) in the 1990s where it explained in the papers that it was the first murder in the Loop in quite a few years.

    Like I say, having a lot of male yuppies walking around is good for street safety. I can recall noticing when watching Chicago local news that when they interviewed some hero bystander who'd rescued somebody from some disaster, the modal hero was some 28 year old white guy who talked like a Big Ten grad who probably had been in a fraternity: basically, Haven Monahan avant la lettre.

    Replies: @Renard

    Like I say, having a lot of male yuppies walking around is good for street safety. I can recall noticing when watching Chicago local news that when they interviewed some hero bystander who’d rescued somebody from some disaster, the modal hero was some 28 year old white guy who talked like a Big Ten grad who probably had been in a fraternity: basically, Haven Monahan avant la lettre.

    And that guy eating chips in the middle of a domestic dispute on the NYC subway. Dollars to donuts he was from the Midwest.

    ETA: he’s from Rhode Island. I owe everyone doughnuts.

    Former Rhode Island state wrestling champion

    Researching this, every page included magic negroes in ads.

  171. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    Spielberg is at the top, with Lucas:

    George Lucas Net Worth ... $10 Billion

    Steven Spielberg Net Worth ... $8 Billion

    Oprah Winfrey Net Worth ... $3.5 Billion

    For Kanye West, data are confusing: according to the list, he's $4 Billion & if we look at his page, it's "only" $1 Billion.

    Anyway, he's 2 or 8 times richer than Mick.

    But, what is evident: rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are way richer than entertainers who made a historical-cultural impact like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger.

    Then, there is one thing I find even more confusing: James Watson is the richest scientist, worth $ 20 Billion (most of the rest are also in medical technology & similar fields).

    https://bscholarly.com/richest-scientists-in-the-world/

    1. JAMES WATSON: James Watson is the world’s richest scientist with a net worth of $20 billion.

    https://egscholars.com/2022/04/16/top-10-richest-scientists-in-the-world/

    James Watson is the richest scientist in the world with a net worth of $20 billion. Watson is an American biologist, geneticist, and zoologist who is best known for his work on the double helix structure of the DNA molecule. He earned his degrees at the University of Chicago in 1947 and a Ph.D. from Indiana University in 1950.

    But- how is this possible?

    Founded a company? No. He's not an entrepreneur.

    If he's so filthy rich- why that circus about selling his Nobel medal?

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Almost Missouri

    That’s amazing about Watson. Does he have patents or something? I too thought he was strapped for cash when he sold his Nobel medal.

  172. @Kylie
    @Bill P

    "Ah, so you listened to their stories. I used to do that, too."

    Yes, they were my neighbors. I chatted some with some of them.

    "I tried to help some of them out. I knew them personally — and not as a John. Guess what? As soon as I got them what they needed (e.g. medical care, a ride to the Suboxone clinic, groceries, clothes for the kid and some assurance to the CPS worker breathing down their neck) they ran right back to the lifestyle that suited them."

    I never helped any of them out, except once I held onto some cheap turquoise jewelry for one when she went into the hospital. I'm sympathetic but not inclined to waste time and resources on the hopeless and helpless.

    Replies: @Bill P

    I can’t think of a time when I didn’t have neighbors who were trading sex for money, except maybe the time I lived next to a golf course, but there my neighbors were too old for that, so some may have done it in the past. Some of my childhood friends’ mothers did it, too. It wasn’t something we talked about, but these things are kind of hard to hide.

    It’s a lot more common than people admit, which makes me wonder whether it shouldn’t just be decriminalized. One of my neighbors is an onlyfans worker and fairly open about it. Sometimes she comes out to water the plants in her getup leaving next to nothing to imagination. She’s nuts, but she’s actually fairly functional compared to some of the others — at least she doesn’t have kids and keeps a low profile. Naturally, she has a boyfriend/pimp — a fairly nice but always down in the dumps black guy (yeah, it must be depressing to be hitched to a hooker). I really pity the guy.

    I had a girlfriend years ago whose neighbor was a real crack whore. She’d even do her thing in the driveway in guys’ parked cars. No shame whatsoever… Her boyfriend/pimp? Another depressed black guy who ended up hanging himself. I saw him get wheeled out under a sheet.

    There is nothing glamorous about being a pimp. My hunch is that most pimps are themselves the sons of prostitutes and take on the role out of a sense of fatalism. Others probably just end up in that situation because they don’t have the guts to leave a relationship in which the girlfriend insists on being a whore. I once saw a girl throw a tantrum when her boyfriend confronted her about “dating” older men. She tossed his clothes out the window and threatened to call the cops.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Bill P

    "It’s [prostitution is] a lot more common than people admit, which makes me wonder whether it shouldn’t just be decriminalized.

    Well, if being ubiquitous is the criterion, why not decriminalize incest and pedophilia while you're at it?

    I had some real low-life tenants and neighbors. (I once had a tenant pull a knife on me while I was making ramen noodles, he never realized how close he came to getting a pot of boiling water thrown in his face.). But I got along with them. Everybody has a story and I'm a good listener. It helped that I couldn't be bamboozled.

    Now I can barely stand my nice, quiet neighborhood where even the teens, black and white, will wave at an old woman on her front porch. What a recluse I have become.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Bill P, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Unintended Consequence
    @Bill P

    Why don't you go upscale by moving to Nevada and living in the same neighborhood as a madame? In fact, you could encourage this ambition in the $50 go-it-alone whores so they could make more money with better working conditions and clientele.

    Replies: @Bill P

  173. @Cutter
    @Bill P

    Whores, at least the class of whores with pimps, aren't professional manipulators of men. They sell the sexual act.

    I occasionally have street-walkers come into my place of business. They aren't capable of manipulating men; not physically attractive enough. Luckily for them they don't have to manipulate anyone.

    A pimp can't just come in and lay waste to any marriage. He can maybe run a mind-game on some chick with an emotionally-distant father, maybe. Or just get his girls hooked on drugs.

    The attractive waitress at the Chili's/Applebee's/TGI Friday's is more capable of manipulating men than the average whore.

    Why are (were?) you in a pimp's face to insult him?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bill P, @Bill P

    Neighbor

  174. @Cutter
    @Bill P

    Whores, at least the class of whores with pimps, aren't professional manipulators of men. They sell the sexual act.

    I occasionally have street-walkers come into my place of business. They aren't capable of manipulating men; not physically attractive enough. Luckily for them they don't have to manipulate anyone.

    A pimp can't just come in and lay waste to any marriage. He can maybe run a mind-game on some chick with an emotionally-distant father, maybe. Or just get his girls hooked on drugs.

    The attractive waitress at the Chili's/Applebee's/TGI Friday's is more capable of manipulating men than the average whore.

    Why are (were?) you in a pimp's face to insult him?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bill P, @Bill P

    Argument over above-mentioned neighbor’s pit bull got personal.

    • Replies: @Cutter
    @Bill P

    Why do you live next to whores? I get cheap rent, but some things aren't worth being around.

    Replies: @Bill P

  175. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Thanks, I'd like to publish your list of places with excess white women.

    Can you confirm these are _non-Hispanic_ whites? I recall that Richard Florida years ago published a list of where the men are at for the benefit of women in which California coastal cities ranked high, but I pointed out that it was basically a list of cities with a lot of illegal aliens.

    Also, would it be possible to boost the minimum age to 18 or so? Probably not, in that age 15-24 is a standard federal age category, but I can imagine being lit up for, seemingly, trying to marry off minors. Actually, 25-34 is a pretty good age range as well in that guys interested in this ranking will likely not be that young.

    Indeed, ranking places with excess women 35-44 might be salutary to younger women in Manhattan considering whether to accept that proposal from their current boyfriend who wants to move to the suburbs or hold out for Mr. Big who will furnish them with the limousine lifestyle in Manhattan.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Ralph L

    Can you confirm these are _non-Hispanic_ whites?

    I’d be happy to send you the spreadsheet. I could have done the whole thing in spreadsheets, which are easier to audit, but I used MS Access to speed the thing along. Are you familiar with Access?

    The data source is a single 42 megabyte file called “cc-est2021-all.csv”, available here:

    https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/datasets/2020-2021/counties/asrh/

    BTW, did you use 2020 census numbers for your lists, and if so, where did you get them? In spite of being expensively designed, the Census website is not very clear. I had better luck finding things using a third-party search engine on the site.

    It’s a little embarrassing using 12-year-old data when we just had a new census.

    Richard Florida years ago published a list of where the men are at for the benefit of women in which California coastal cities ranked high, but I pointed out that it was basically a list of cities with a lot of illegal aliens.

    Perhaps his hidden agenda was to facilitate anchor marriages for illegals?

    would it be possible to boost the minimum age to 18 or so?

    As shown in the Census’s code document,

    https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/technical-documentation/file-layouts/2010-2018/cc-est2018-alldata.pdf

    the ages are in five-year buckets, so you can include or exclude the 15-19 year-old range together. Excluding them might de-emphasize the college towns somewhat.

    I can imagine being lit up for, seemingly, trying to marry off minors.

    I understand, but what about your 16-year-old boy readers? They need girlfriends too.

    Actually, 25-34 is a pretty good age range as well in that guys interested in this ranking will likely not be that young.

    Code “6” and “7” in “AGEGRP”.

    Indeed, ranking places with excess women 35-44 might be salutary to younger women in Manhattan considering whether to accept that proposal from their current boyfriend who wants to move to the suburbs or hold out for Mr. Big who will furnish them with the limousine lifestyle in Manhattan.

    Lol. Code “8” and “9” in “AGEGRP”.

    If we’re getting down to more perishable 10-year age ranges, it makes me even less happy with the 12 years out-of-date census numbers. Is the computerized Census Bureau even slower at counting things than the California Board of Elections? I gotta think those 2020 numbers are out there somewhere. OTOH, maybe 2020 would be distorted by pandemic/lockdowns? College students at their parents’ homes instead of college towns, etc.?

  176. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    Spielberg is at the top, with Lucas:

    George Lucas Net Worth ... $10 Billion

    Steven Spielberg Net Worth ... $8 Billion

    Oprah Winfrey Net Worth ... $3.5 Billion

    For Kanye West, data are confusing: according to the list, he's $4 Billion & if we look at his page, it's "only" $1 Billion.

    Anyway, he's 2 or 8 times richer than Mick.

    But, what is evident: rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are way richer than entertainers who made a historical-cultural impact like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger.

    Then, there is one thing I find even more confusing: James Watson is the richest scientist, worth $ 20 Billion (most of the rest are also in medical technology & similar fields).

    https://bscholarly.com/richest-scientists-in-the-world/

    1. JAMES WATSON: James Watson is the world’s richest scientist with a net worth of $20 billion.

    https://egscholars.com/2022/04/16/top-10-richest-scientists-in-the-world/

    James Watson is the richest scientist in the world with a net worth of $20 billion. Watson is an American biologist, geneticist, and zoologist who is best known for his work on the double helix structure of the DNA molecule. He earned his degrees at the University of Chicago in 1947 and a Ph.D. from Indiana University in 1950.

    But- how is this possible?

    Founded a company? No. He's not an entrepreneur.

    If he's so filthy rich- why that circus about selling his Nobel medal?

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Almost Missouri

    rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are way richer than entertainers who made a historical-cultural impact like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger.

    Oh, rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are having a historical-cultural impact alright alright …

    No one said “impact” had to be good.

    Don’t forget that an older generation looked at McCartney and Jagger then the way you look at rappers and reality show celebrities now.

    James Watson is the world’s richest scientist with a net worth of $20 billion.

    Big, if true. And surprising.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Almost Missouri

    Don’t forget that an older generation looked at McCartney and Jagger then the way you look at rappers and reality show celebrities now.

    If you say so. The people of that vintage in my circle weren't the sort who bought Beatles records, but they weren't bothered by them.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Almost Missouri

    Perhaps in the US, but elsewhere -no.

    In the 60s and the 70s, 80s, ...many people outside of teen & counter-cultural movements found Beatles to have catchy, melodious tunes & hummed them.

    In Europe, Soviet Union (if they could), South America, many parts of Asia. They liked them, people in- then- their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s,....

    Which is completely dissimilar to the rap crap situation.

    Rap is present for at least 2-3 decades, I don't know.

    And no one, virtually no one outside of the group that listens to that "music" has even heard of top five rappers & cannot recognize a single rap "song" (to call it that).

    So, to compare rap with the 60s-70s pop-rock is not realistic.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Richard B
    @Almost Missouri


    Don’t forget that an older generation looked at McCartney and Jagger then the way you look at rappers and reality show celebrities now.
     
    Analogy Fail.

    To the extent there were those of the older generation who felt that way they were in the minority. Most of them liked and even loved some of what The Beatles put out. That's why Sinatra covered Yesterday and Something. The rest of it they either ignored or grumbled about. Which was especially the case when it came to the Stones.

    In fact, Sinatra's comment about Something, that it was his favorite Lennon/McCartney song, was typical of his generations reaction to the Beatles, Stones and the younger generation in general. If anyone were to correct him and even make fun of him for not being "hip" enough to know who wrote what, like the rest of his generation he'd just shrug his shoulders as if to say So what? Who cares?

    The reaction to Rappers, on the other hand, is the reaction most people have to not just criminals, but narcissistic, self-pitying criminals who brag about the sex they have and the violence they commit, or plan to, ie; a mix of fear and loathing.

    Which, of course, is exactly the reaction that the real owners of the record companies, and not just the record companies, want. That way they get to scare the shit out of the public while accusing them of racism for not liking Rap.

    , @Richard B
    @Almost Missouri


    No one said “impact” had to be good.
     
    Absolutely!

    That's why, regarding my previous response to your comment, the historical-cultural impact of both The Beatles, Stones, and Rappers combined fade into nothing in comparison with the impact the Real Owners have had on the West in the 20th/21st centuries. Those hate-filled destroyers make Rappers look like Choir Boys.

  177. @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    My impression from briefly looking up the story 12 years ago is the two guys fighting appeared to be known to aficionados of their musical niche. But it was 12 years ago ...

    Music is really fragmented these days, so there are a lot of individuals who can be referred to as stars. It's been that way for a long time. My wife took guitar lessons at the Old Town School of Folk Music from a singer-songwriter named Robbie Fulks. In other words, he was scraping by, but when I mention his name, some readers comment favorably upon him. He's a star to a few readers.

    In some ways, the current situation is fairer than in 1975 when rock stars were bigger but fewer. But it's a tough way to eke out a living.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Cutter

    Fragmented doesn’t begin to describe it. Country-rap is a viable genre despite no terrestrial radio play (and the sort of iconography you’d associate with working-class white guys from the South).

    The soundtrack to “Drive” spawned an entire microgenre of music (that’s probably big enough now to be a niche genre).

  178. @Rob McX
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    It always surprises me how stupid and cheap actual hitmen are.
     
    Even stupider are the people who hire them. They think getting some lowlife criminal to do the dirty work will protect them from any legal consequences. Needless to say, when the hitmen get caught, the first thing they do is give up whoever paid them.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Brutusale

    Except in the Markel case, the hitman did not. Neither did the liaison between the hitman and the Adelson family. It was the old friend the hitman asked along as a companion that cracked. They also got some leads from Wendy Adelson’s disaffected bf. (He adored her, but contact with brother Charlie and the whole mise en scene in the Adelson family persuaded him to get away from her). The court system in Florida has been remarkably otiose in processing the case and it’s only recently that the police and prosecutor concluded they had enough to bring charges against Charlie. There is evidence implicating Donna Adelson, but evidently not enough in their judgment. The role Harvey Adelson and his daughter played in the business remains a question mark, though they’re certainly covering for Donna and Charlie. (The oldest of the Adelson children lives in Albany, NY with his family and has been estranged from them since around about 2004).

  179. @Bill P
    @Cutter

    Argument over above-mentioned neighbor's pit bull got personal.

    Replies: @Cutter

    Why do you live next to whores? I get cheap rent, but some things aren’t worth being around.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Cutter

    Everyone lives next to whores, whether they know it or not. I'm going to assume you mean I should move somewhere where I won't know it, but I've already seen too much in my life and I can't help but know it for what it is.

  180. @Almost Missouri
    @Bardon Kaldian


    rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are way richer than entertainers who made a historical-cultural impact like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger.
     
    Oh, rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are having a historical-cultural impact alright alright ...

    No one said "impact" had to be good.

    Don't forget that an older generation looked at McCartney and Jagger then the way you look at rappers and reality show celebrities now.

    James Watson is the world’s richest scientist with a net worth of $20 billion.
     
    Big, if true. And surprising.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Bardon Kaldian, @Richard B, @Richard B

    Don’t forget that an older generation looked at McCartney and Jagger then the way you look at rappers and reality show celebrities now.

    If you say so. The people of that vintage in my circle weren’t the sort who bought Beatles records, but they weren’t bothered by them.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Art Deco


    people of that vintage in my circle
     
    What vintage is that?

    In any case, not everyone of Bardon Kaldian's generation today looks at rappers and reality show celebrities as he does.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  181. “Blue Americans think red Americans are maniacs with all their guns and their calls for law and order, while red Americans think blue Americans are insulated and don’t understand the need for law and order.”

    For my part, I think blue Americans are either stupid, ignorant or evil.

  182. Would love to see pictures and names of the “white” murderers. I’m sure many if not most are what would be commonly seen as European-Americans, but I’d bet a significant number are Middle Eastern or Hispanic.

  183. @prime noticer
    every year i drive from Denver -> Kansas City -> St Louis -> Indianapolis -> Pittsburgh, and back again.

    when i made this trip in 2020, i posted on iSteve that the 3 middle cities on this route were all having record murder rates, and that i talked with 2 friends in Indianapolis, a police officer and a doctor, about the escalating situation there. sounds like it only got worse.

    Vegas has always been somewhat dangerous. when i lived there from 02 to 06, it seemed like the police killed 3 or 4 people every month. LVPD went out of their way to secure the Strip, but it's still a target for killings once every few years. some illegal alien hacked up the Strip this year. things may be worse now that the Raiders moved there, and brought in the NFL element.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Sick n' Tired, @magilla

    Metro is the new LAPD–not enough cops, so they rule by swift, overwhelming, and decisive violence.

  184. @Art Deco
    @Almost Missouri

    Don’t forget that an older generation looked at McCartney and Jagger then the way you look at rappers and reality show celebrities now.

    If you say so. The people of that vintage in my circle weren't the sort who bought Beatles records, but they weren't bothered by them.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    people of that vintage in my circle

    What vintage is that?

    In any case, not everyone of Bardon Kaldian’s generation today looks at rappers and reality show celebrities as he does.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Almost Missouri

    What vintage is that?

    1920 to 1937

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  185. @Art Deco
    @Danindc

    I think where they can identify the race of perpetrator and victim, about 4% of all homicides feature a non-black perpetrator and a black victim. (Uniform Crime Reports). My guess would be that north of 1/3 of those perpetrators are mestizo.

    Replies: @Danindc

    How many anglo whites kill blacks in a non justifiable homicide every year? I’m guessing 2 at most. Am I wrong?

  186. @Hibernian
    @Mike Tre

    It's almost impossible the build good housing now without a fairly high, government defined, %age of "affordable" (by government definition) housing. This is in the city as well as the suburbs.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    It’s almost impossible the build good housing now without a fairly high, government defined, %age of “affordable” (by government definition) housing. This is in the city as well as the suburbs.

    But, for some reason, never in Malibu or Martha’s Vineyard. Funny how that works.

    My wife and I lived in a city in the South for a few years when we were first married. It’s where we bought our first house. It was a solidly middle class neighborhood when we lived there – not upper middle, not lower middle, just “middle middle.”

    We happened to be passing through there a few years ago and drove by the old place to show the kids. We had to roll up the windows and lock the doors. We looked like a white family that gets terribly lost at the beginning of some horror movie. The nearby mall had been shuttered, and the whole commercial district looked like it had been leveled by a WW1 artillery barrage.

    I spoke to an old neighbor about it and he said that basically the Section 8’s came in and just wiped the place out. It was a great, affordable community for honest, middle class Americans trying to start their families – completely devastated.

    My boss when we lived there was a hardcore lefty, to the point of being literally a card carrying member of the ACLU. His son was kicked out of the honors program at a local high school. If his son had stayed in the non-honors program at the same school most of his classmates would have been black. So instead he sneaked the kid into a mostly white high school that wasn’t even in the same district. I’m not sure how he did that – a family member or ex-wife lived there, I think. But we – including our black colleague – especially our black colleague – joked about it in the office behind his back. Our boss was an ass.

    Not long after the George Floyd riots started my wife had a Facebook exchange about the BLM riots with a white friend who still lives there. This friend was all in favor of the BLM protests. Of course she lives in a very white part of town. Her oldest son is very active in far left politics. Then last year her husband was killed by a black drunk driver with a criminal record as long as War & Peace. They have three kids. If it were some random stranger of course I would laugh about it. But since I know her and know that she’s a genuinely good woman I just feel awful for her and her family.

    But my feelings for the rest of these hypocrites has turned to hatred. My tolerance for them wanes by the nanosecond.

  187. @Almost Missouri
    @Bardon Kaldian


    rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are way richer than entertainers who made a historical-cultural impact like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger.
     
    Oh, rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are having a historical-cultural impact alright alright ...

    No one said "impact" had to be good.

    Don't forget that an older generation looked at McCartney and Jagger then the way you look at rappers and reality show celebrities now.

    James Watson is the world’s richest scientist with a net worth of $20 billion.
     
    Big, if true. And surprising.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Bardon Kaldian, @Richard B, @Richard B

    Perhaps in the US, but elsewhere -no.

    In the 60s and the 70s, 80s, …many people outside of teen & counter-cultural movements found Beatles to have catchy, melodious tunes & hummed them.

    In Europe, Soviet Union (if they could), South America, many parts of Asia. They liked them, people in- then- their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s,….

    Which is completely dissimilar to the rap crap situation.

    Rap is present for at least 2-3 decades, I don’t know.

    And no one, virtually no one outside of the group that listens to that “music” has even heard of top five rappers & cannot recognize a single rap “song” (to call it that).

    So, to compare rap with the 60s-70s pop-rock is not realistic.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The Beatles were mostly seen as charming by older Americans in c. 1965, although perhaps less so as they got scruffier over the years. "Yesterday" was a huge hit with all generations.

    The Rolling Stones, not so much, although I doubt if my mid-40s parents were terribly aware of their existence.

    Replies: @Anon

  188. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Thanks.

    Suicides aren't part of the CDC's homicide count, except for suicides-by-cop, which are maybe a couple of hundred per year.

    The FBI data and the old Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide report have some % of domestics, but I don't remember them.

    “Where am I least/most likely to be randomly killed though no fault of my own?”

    New York City is worrisome that way because unless you are in the limousine class you will take the subway and walk the crowded street. In, say, Houston you aren't all that exposed to dangerous men unless you choose to get out of your F-150 and associate with them. But in NYC you have to be exposed to huge numbers of people per day, riding around with them underground in a metal box. If the authorities aren't rounding up the scary guys, it's concerning for you even if you never got attacked.

    For example, I knew a young lady who got punched in the head in the 42nd St. subway station at the modern safest time for NYC a few years ago by a local celebrity psycho, the Free Hug Thug Jermaine Himmelstein (IIRC the spelling of his name), who'd been accosting white women for years with a cardboard sign offering "Free Hugs" and then hitting them if they didn't agree to be hugged. He had been profiled in the NYT years before with an article that started off charming and wound up scary and briefly featured in the "Angry Birds" movie. A few months later he punched a Canadian girl in Times Square and the security cam video went viral and he finally got locked up for awhile.

    This helps explain why NYC over a quarter of a century mustered the political will to finally Do Something about street crime.

    Replies: @BosTex

    Thanks Steve.

    I think a lot of folks in Houston conceal carry (some even open carry)…I think if you are a criminal and a potential victim may pull out a .38 or a 9mm, you might reconsider your career choice.

    I am pretty sure that north of 60-70% of all drivers in Houston have at least one firearm in the glove compartment, some add more in the back seat or the trunk.

    (I have several friends who ready for just about any eventuality; shotguns, AR-15s, in the trunk etc aren’t unusual at all.)

    I am not sure if the frequently stated: “an armed society is a polite society” is always accurate, but will state that road rage is pretty rare here; by comparison, Boston drivers feel free to road rage at one another since very few are armed, etc.

    Great to hear that this Himmelstein psycho is finally locked away. Given the behavior, he would have, sooner or later, accidentally/on purpose, killed someone.

  189. @Bill P
    @Kylie

    I can't think of a time when I didn't have neighbors who were trading sex for money, except maybe the time I lived next to a golf course, but there my neighbors were too old for that, so some may have done it in the past. Some of my childhood friends' mothers did it, too. It wasn't something we talked about, but these things are kind of hard to hide.

    It's a lot more common than people admit, which makes me wonder whether it shouldn't just be decriminalized. One of my neighbors is an onlyfans worker and fairly open about it. Sometimes she comes out to water the plants in her getup leaving next to nothing to imagination. She's nuts, but she's actually fairly functional compared to some of the others -- at least she doesn't have kids and keeps a low profile. Naturally, she has a boyfriend/pimp -- a fairly nice but always down in the dumps black guy (yeah, it must be depressing to be hitched to a hooker). I really pity the guy.

    I had a girlfriend years ago whose neighbor was a real crack whore. She'd even do her thing in the driveway in guys' parked cars. No shame whatsoever... Her boyfriend/pimp? Another depressed black guy who ended up hanging himself. I saw him get wheeled out under a sheet.

    There is nothing glamorous about being a pimp. My hunch is that most pimps are themselves the sons of prostitutes and take on the role out of a sense of fatalism. Others probably just end up in that situation because they don't have the guts to leave a relationship in which the girlfriend insists on being a whore. I once saw a girl throw a tantrum when her boyfriend confronted her about "dating" older men. She tossed his clothes out the window and threatened to call the cops.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Unintended Consequence

    “It’s [prostitution is] a lot more common than people admit, which makes me wonder whether it shouldn’t just be decriminalized.

    Well, if being ubiquitous is the criterion, why not decriminalize incest and pedophilia while you’re at it?

    I had some real low-life tenants and neighbors. (I once had a tenant pull a knife on me while I was making ramen noodles, he never realized how close he came to getting a pot of boiling water thrown in his face.). But I got along with them. Everybody has a story and I’m a good listener. It helped that I couldn’t be bamboozled.

    Now I can barely stand my nice, quiet neighborhood where even the teens, black and white, will wave at an old woman on her front porch. What a recluse I have become.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Kylie


    Now I can barely stand my nice, quiet neighborhood where even the teens, black and white, will wave at an old woman on her front porch. What a recluse I have become.
     
    Social isolation. A classic sign of depression.

    Add that to iSteve daily readership, you got a problem.

    Time to get involved in a sport, pickleball, golf, tennis, biking, gym, etc. Sunshine and people.

    Focusing on the normal iSteve News of The World is depressing enough.

    Or get a dog (dachshunds are nice) and get out and walk. Or find a gun buddy and go to the range.

    Especially if you aren't married or living with your "partner" etc. Or if they are just bringing you down...

    Sure, people can kill you. Isolation will too.

    "This Message Brought to You By Dr. Oz. Get Out and Vote on Tuesday!"

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kylie

    , @Bill P
    @Kylie

    My neighborhood got a lot worse over the last two years. I rent and I used to have a lot of foreign student neighbors before COVID. They are all gone and a lot of section 8 tenants moved in. Still, it isn't anywhere near as bad as some of the neighborhoods that were near my childhood home in south Seattle.

    A lot of the section 8 tenants here are rural poor who got displaced by last year's flooding in Western WA. They can be a handful, but they're basically just dysfunctional white people. Sadly there is a lot of that in the Pacific NW.

    I'm generally sympathetic to poor whites. I've known some real success stories, for example guys going on the wagon, shaping up and single-handed saving an entire family from desperate poverty, so I can be a sucker sometimes. But I know how to set boundaries well enough to avoid getting seriously conned.

    Over time I've come to think what these people need is a firm hand. When there's no real risk of hunger or death from exposure some people need some strong motivation to get off their ass and behave themselves. Progressive policies are exactly the opposite of what might actually improve them and their standing.

    I'm all for mandatory work for welfare - including for single mothers - harsh penalties for cheaters and rehab or jail for street addicts. A lot of these people may not be capable of much (I was at a parent teacher conference for my 3rd grader on Friday and she told me a lot of his classmates can't read yet), but having them live like zoo animals doesn't promote human dignity IMO.

    It's a tough problem, but there are a few things that we could start with that would be certain to work, one of which would be to eliminate incentives for having bastards or embarking upon single motherhood by choice, and another to crack down hard on drug dealers and thieves (theft has a very toxic effect on the poor because it demoralizes those who actually work for a living).

    Also, keep these people's psychology in mind. If a lot of them are not very good at delaying gratification, give them immediate incentives to do things they should be doing now and keep it up as they improve.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    I once had a tenant pull a knife on me while I was making ramen noodles, he never realized how close he came to getting a pot of boiling water thrown in his face.
     
    You are the opposite of the Albany landlady William Kennedy wrote about in his non-fiction book about his native city. When a tenant told her, on election eve, that he was thinking of voting for Thomas Dewey, she screamed "rape!" out the window. A beat cop came in and arrested the innocent man. He was released the next day-- too late to cast his vote.

    You want "suppression"? That's a classic!

    Replies: @Kylie

  190. @Almost Missouri
    @Art Deco


    people of that vintage in my circle
     
    What vintage is that?

    In any case, not everyone of Bardon Kaldian's generation today looks at rappers and reality show celebrities as he does.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    What vintage is that?

    1920 to 1937

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Art Deco

    85 to 102. Not bad.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  191. @Renard
    @AnotherDad


    We whites are not in great shape and have a lot of work to do
     
    So long as control of the flow of information remains in enemy hands, the task will remain insurmountable.

    And they won't give it up willingly, because everything they have stolen relies on their mastery of propaganda and prevarication.

    So, how can this ever change? Well, it's possible that one man has just spent $44 billion on an experiment. Yes, he's allowing the ADL to help him with the moderation. Ridiculous? What if he's just doing that for (very effective) window dressing, with plans to boot them out next month?

    All that being said, it's hard not to think that Bezos got a better deal buying the Washington Post. What did that cost, $95?

    Google says this.. Okay I was slightly off..


    The paper has flourished under Mr. Bezos' ownership. Since he bought the newspaper in 2013 for $250 million, The Post has added over 200 people to its newsroom, which now numbers 900 journalists, and won plaudits and awards for its coverage of, among other subjects, the Trump administration.
     

    Replies: @Muggles

    I’m pretty sure WaPo loses millions every year.

    Bezos can afford it but like Zuckerberg’s Meta, Amazon is now having problems and is like other giant firms relying on advertising or retail, in serious jeopardy of shrinkage.

    Share prices on Amazon are way down.

    These media subsidies will start tapering off or declining once cash flow becomes a factor.

    Even billionaires get cheap when their side projects consume too much cash. Most of their “wealth” is in shares of various things which can plummet in a second.

    Money losing business are not “sustainable” in the real sense of that term. The oligarchs get busted or die or just decide that being the Wizard of DC Narrative isn’t worth the bother.

  192. @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Bill Jones

    What a great commentary on the stupidity and bigotry of filthy,dirty,stinking "civil rights activists!"
    They shriek like LeBron over the poor innocent dindunuffins shot by police. And they scream like banshees about getting rid of white men,and hiring more black women,to make the police more yada yada yada.
    How would you like to be pulled over on a dark street in Nairobi? As compared to,say,Iowa City?
    I wonder about Asians. Are they less likely to shoot,being more contemplative? Or do they freak out like strong black wahmens and let loose?

    Replies: @Gordo

    How would you like to be pulled over on a dark street in Nairobi? As compared to,say,Iowa City?

    Ah the old checkpoint at night question!

  193. @Cutter
    @Steve Sailer

    The Rotherham style of management strikes me as finding very young females from a poor AND unstable/latchkey background (both are necessary, and the latchkey element's probably more important), paying attention to them, giving them drugs, and then putting them to work.

    I think it was Mother Jones who ran a series about underage females getting turned out in America. One girl (who cut a sweet deal on a murder charge coming out of a home-invasion robbery) came from a married, two-parent home. Both made good money. As bartenders, so they were gone a lot.

    She met some hood-rats, started turning tricks, and then it really bad.

    No one ever accused 13-17 year-olds of having good judgment.

    Replies: @Gordo

    The Rotherham style of management strikes me as finding very young females from a poor AND unstable/latchkey background (both are necessary, and the latchkey element’s probably more important), paying attention to them, giving them drugs, and then putting them to work.

    It helped that they had the police and politicians and social workers on their side, those rare fathers who went for the enrichers were arrested and imprisoned.

    I pray that all debts will be repaid.

    • Agree: Cutter
  194. @Steve Sailer
    @Jack D

    The U. of Oklahoma Heisman-winning quarterback Sam Bradford a decade or so ago looked quite Amerindian. He was kind of puzzled by the attention because he didn't identify as Indian and thought it was just a minor bit of ancestry. I think he turned out to be 1/16th.

    One of the first two Senators from OK was a small bit Indian -- He'd won a $5 million judgment for the Cherokee from the federal government for the Trail of Tears 60 years before.

    The other of the first two Senators was Gore Vidal's blind grandfather, who had a prodigious memory that allowed him to practice law without being able to read.

    Replies: @Gordo

    Wasn’t John Nance ‘Cactus Jack’ Garner, FDR’s first VP, part redskin and brought up on a reservation?

    I read that somewhere.

    Indian VP long before Karamella, used to spit in a spitoon rather than s-it in the street.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Gordo


    Wasn’t John Nance ‘Cactus Jack’ Garner, FDR’s first VP, part redskin and brought up on a reservation?

    I read that somewhere.
     
    You must be thinking of Charles Curtis, Hoover's VP. He was ⅜ Indian, each ⅛ of a different Kansas tribe. Garner replaced him.



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JjhqIxOlsTQ
  195. @prime noticer
    Indianapolis was the most dangerous place for pale people in the entire country? that's pretty crazy. i lived there from 06 to 09 and it wasn't like that back then. then again...

    Dutch commando who traveled to the US for urban combat training has died after being shot outside a hotel in Indianapolis

    sounds like they got the training they were looking for. i wonder who shot them...

    Replies: @Inverness, @Dr. X, @Almost Missouri, @Muggles, @ATBOTL

    Indianapolis has huge and explosively growing black population and a murder rate twice as high as Chicago. Hordes of blacks from Chicago and Detroit are relocating there.

  196. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    Money-wise, it's all lunatic.

    https://www.celebritynetworth.com/list/top-50-richest-celebrities/
    ..............................

    Rihanna Net Worth..... $1.7 Billion

    Kim Kardashian Net Worth.....$1.4 Billion

    Paul McCartney Net Worth..... $1.2 Billion

    Peter Jackson Net Worth .... $1 Billion

    P Diddy Net Worth .... $900 Million

    Kylie Jenner Net Worth ... $750 Million

    Tom Cruise Net Worth ...$600 Million

    Dr Dre Net Worth .... $500 Million

    Mick Jagger Net Worth .... $500 Million

    Brad Pitt Net Worth ... $300 Million

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Muggles

    I would take these “net worth” figures with a grain of salt.

    First, no one on these lists (until bankrupt or in some public court battle) discloses that amount. Much of these are guestimates by various financial or entertainment publications or outlets.

    Most of those are based on secondary businesses which these figures have deals with. For endorsements or supposed advice or “design” etc. So they are getting royalty streams, one way or another. Others have disclosed real estate holdings, which are sizable but not that large.

    Much of that business is privately held and has debt. How liquid they are no one outside of their advisors know. So yes, “worth” a lot, now, if things remain stable. Others have music rights which are valuable but I think Dylan only got around $300 million for his, pre tax.

    If the now current (#1.9 billion) PowerBall winner takes cash, their net AFTER TAX cash now take will be around $ 480 million, depending on what state they live in. Assuming a single winner. My guess is that amount would be far above the liquid assets of most if not all on this list.

    The looming recession/depression will drop these figures by large fractions. Just ask Zuckerberg.

    Some of the actors and others may have quite large investment portfolios, which are also subject to market trends. Do any of these have a Scrooge McDuck vault full of cash and coin? No.

    In the ever changing market economy, valuations go up and down. If you sell a big chunk of X, the value of that is likely to be less than what investors pay for small bits of that. Big sales depress most markets. Franchise deals are worth tomorrow what tomorrows sales will bring.

    Better get my PowerBall winner bought soon. Those last ones didn’t pan out…

  197. @Almost Missouri
    @Steve Sailer


    Why aren’t McCartney, Jagger, and Cruise the richest entertainers?
     
    When was the last time you or anyone you know spent any money on anything McCartney- or Jagger-related? There are a lot of young (and often colored—or is it "of color") people spending a lot of money on Rihanna/Kardashian/Jenner stuff right now.

    I did buy a ticket for that Cruise jet movie. You'd think he'd rate a little higher. OTOH he's had a couple of divorces, which get expensive.

    Where’s Spielberg?
     
    The list seems to focus on in-front-of-the-camera/public-eye type of people rather than producers/directors/machers, even if the former do a certain amount of what the latter do.

    Real question is where is Ye? Oh wait, now I remember ...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    When was the last time you or anyone you know spent any money on anything McCartney- or Jagger-related?

    For a while in the early 1970s, the Osmonds were chasing the Beatles’ sales records. What’s remarkable is that they did this by selling exclusively to one sex.

    The born-mid-1950s-to-early-1960s Osmond cohort would have been slightly bigger than the slightly older Beatle audience. But nowhere near enough to explain this.

    My kids, born this century, listen to the Beatles. They’ve never even heard of the Osmonds. Unless they’ve watched Dancing With the Stars when we weren’t looking. (BTW, who danced with Woz?)

  198. @Kylie
    @Bill P

    "It’s [prostitution is] a lot more common than people admit, which makes me wonder whether it shouldn’t just be decriminalized.

    Well, if being ubiquitous is the criterion, why not decriminalize incest and pedophilia while you're at it?

    I had some real low-life tenants and neighbors. (I once had a tenant pull a knife on me while I was making ramen noodles, he never realized how close he came to getting a pot of boiling water thrown in his face.). But I got along with them. Everybody has a story and I'm a good listener. It helped that I couldn't be bamboozled.

    Now I can barely stand my nice, quiet neighborhood where even the teens, black and white, will wave at an old woman on her front porch. What a recluse I have become.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Bill P, @Reg Cæsar

    Now I can barely stand my nice, quiet neighborhood where even the teens, black and white, will wave at an old woman on her front porch. What a recluse I have become.

    Social isolation. A classic sign of depression.

    Add that to iSteve daily readership, you got a problem.

    Time to get involved in a sport, pickleball, golf, tennis, biking, gym, etc. Sunshine and people.

    Focusing on the normal iSteve News of The World is depressing enough.

    Or get a dog (dachshunds are nice) and get out and walk. Or find a gun buddy and go to the range.

    Especially if you aren’t married or living with your “partner” etc. Or if they are just bringing you down…

    Sure, people can kill you. Isolation will too.

    “This Message Brought to You By Dr. Oz. Get Out and Vote on Tuesday!”

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles






    Social isolation. A classic sign of depression...

    get a dog (dachshunds are nice)
     
    If you can find a real one, with a bark, not a yip. The bonsaiing of this breed is one of the subtler signs of our society's continued infantilization.


    https://www.sausagedogworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/standard-vs-miniature-dachshund-cover.jpg

    https://www.dachworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Standard-and-Mini-Dachshund.png


    You won't be seeing a remake of The Ugly Dachshund anytime soon. Unless they give the Great Dane rôle to a beagle.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @Kylie
    @Muggles

    "Social isolation."

    But I'm not socially isolated. That was my point. I seldom go out of my house without encountering a neighbor. I like them fine, I just don't feel a need to see or interact with them. I grew up on acreage where I looked out the window and saw flocks of sparrows or coveys of quail. That's what I prefer.

    I have a dog and a cat. I walk the dog.

    But thanks. It warms my heart to have people take an interest, even if it's only a fleeting comment on iSteve. It's a measure of my preference for solitude that this interaction will last me a while. 😀

  199. @Gordo
    @Steve Sailer

    Wasn’t John Nance ‘Cactus Jack’ Garner, FDR’s first VP, part redskin and brought up on a reservation?

    I read that somewhere.

    Indian VP long before Karamella, used to spit in a spitoon rather than s-it in the street.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Wasn’t John Nance ‘Cactus Jack’ Garner, FDR’s first VP, part redskin and brought up on a reservation?

    I read that somewhere.

    You must be thinking of Charles Curtis, Hoover’s VP. He was ⅜ Indian, each ⅛ of a different Kansas tribe. Garner replaced him.

  200. @Kylie
    @Bill P

    "It’s [prostitution is] a lot more common than people admit, which makes me wonder whether it shouldn’t just be decriminalized.

    Well, if being ubiquitous is the criterion, why not decriminalize incest and pedophilia while you're at it?

    I had some real low-life tenants and neighbors. (I once had a tenant pull a knife on me while I was making ramen noodles, he never realized how close he came to getting a pot of boiling water thrown in his face.). But I got along with them. Everybody has a story and I'm a good listener. It helped that I couldn't be bamboozled.

    Now I can barely stand my nice, quiet neighborhood where even the teens, black and white, will wave at an old woman on her front porch. What a recluse I have become.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Bill P, @Reg Cæsar

    My neighborhood got a lot worse over the last two years. I rent and I used to have a lot of foreign student neighbors before COVID. They are all gone and a lot of section 8 tenants moved in. Still, it isn’t anywhere near as bad as some of the neighborhoods that were near my childhood home in south Seattle.

    A lot of the section 8 tenants here are rural poor who got displaced by last year’s flooding in Western WA. They can be a handful, but they’re basically just dysfunctional white people. Sadly there is a lot of that in the Pacific NW.

    I’m generally sympathetic to poor whites. I’ve known some real success stories, for example guys going on the wagon, shaping up and single-handed saving an entire family from desperate poverty, so I can be a sucker sometimes. But I know how to set boundaries well enough to avoid getting seriously conned.

    Over time I’ve come to think what these people need is a firm hand. When there’s no real risk of hunger or death from exposure some people need some strong motivation to get off their ass and behave themselves. Progressive policies are exactly the opposite of what might actually improve them and their standing.

    I’m all for mandatory work for welfare – including for single mothers – harsh penalties for cheaters and rehab or jail for street addicts. A lot of these people may not be capable of much (I was at a parent teacher conference for my 3rd grader on Friday and she told me a lot of his classmates can’t read yet), but having them live like zoo animals doesn’t promote human dignity IMO.

    It’s a tough problem, but there are a few things that we could start with that would be certain to work, one of which would be to eliminate incentives for having bastards or embarking upon single motherhood by choice, and another to crack down hard on drug dealers and thieves (theft has a very toxic effect on the poor because it demoralizes those who actually work for a living).

    Also, keep these people’s psychology in mind. If a lot of them are not very good at delaying gratification, give them immediate incentives to do things they should be doing now and keep it up as they improve.

    • Agree: Kylie
  201. @Muggles
    @Kylie


    Now I can barely stand my nice, quiet neighborhood where even the teens, black and white, will wave at an old woman on her front porch. What a recluse I have become.
     
    Social isolation. A classic sign of depression.

    Add that to iSteve daily readership, you got a problem.

    Time to get involved in a sport, pickleball, golf, tennis, biking, gym, etc. Sunshine and people.

    Focusing on the normal iSteve News of The World is depressing enough.

    Or get a dog (dachshunds are nice) and get out and walk. Or find a gun buddy and go to the range.

    Especially if you aren't married or living with your "partner" etc. Or if they are just bringing you down...

    Sure, people can kill you. Isolation will too.

    "This Message Brought to You By Dr. Oz. Get Out and Vote on Tuesday!"

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kylie

    Social isolation. A classic sign of depression…

    get a dog (dachshunds are nice)

    If you can find a real one, with a bark, not a yip. The bonsaiing of this breed is one of the subtler signs of our society’s continued infantilization.

    You won’t be seeing a remake of The Ugly Dachshund anytime soon. Unless they give the Great Dane rôle to a beagle.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Reg Cæsar


    #2 most aggressive dog breed in the world
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcSYs-iprzE
  202. @Kylie
    @Bill P

    "It’s [prostitution is] a lot more common than people admit, which makes me wonder whether it shouldn’t just be decriminalized.

    Well, if being ubiquitous is the criterion, why not decriminalize incest and pedophilia while you're at it?

    I had some real low-life tenants and neighbors. (I once had a tenant pull a knife on me while I was making ramen noodles, he never realized how close he came to getting a pot of boiling water thrown in his face.). But I got along with them. Everybody has a story and I'm a good listener. It helped that I couldn't be bamboozled.

    Now I can barely stand my nice, quiet neighborhood where even the teens, black and white, will wave at an old woman on her front porch. What a recluse I have become.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Bill P, @Reg Cæsar

    I once had a tenant pull a knife on me while I was making ramen noodles, he never realized how close he came to getting a pot of boiling water thrown in his face.

    You are the opposite of the Albany landlady William Kennedy wrote about in his non-fiction book about his native city. When a tenant told her, on election eve, that he was thinking of voting for Thomas Dewey, she screamed “rape!” out the window. A beat cop came in and arrested the innocent man. He was released the next day– too late to cast his vote.

    You want “suppression”? That’s a classic!

    • LOL: Rob McX
    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lol! A Dem engineering voter suppression nearly 80 years ago. Who da thunk it?

  203. @Art Deco
    @Almost Missouri

    What vintage is that?

    1920 to 1937

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    85 to 102. Not bad.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Almost Missouri

    They're mostly deceased at this point.

  204. @Muggles
    @Kylie


    Now I can barely stand my nice, quiet neighborhood where even the teens, black and white, will wave at an old woman on her front porch. What a recluse I have become.
     
    Social isolation. A classic sign of depression.

    Add that to iSteve daily readership, you got a problem.

    Time to get involved in a sport, pickleball, golf, tennis, biking, gym, etc. Sunshine and people.

    Focusing on the normal iSteve News of The World is depressing enough.

    Or get a dog (dachshunds are nice) and get out and walk. Or find a gun buddy and go to the range.

    Especially if you aren't married or living with your "partner" etc. Or if they are just bringing you down...

    Sure, people can kill you. Isolation will too.

    "This Message Brought to You By Dr. Oz. Get Out and Vote on Tuesday!"

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Kylie

    “Social isolation.”

    But I’m not socially isolated. That was my point. I seldom go out of my house without encountering a neighbor. I like them fine, I just don’t feel a need to see or interact with them. I grew up on acreage where I looked out the window and saw flocks of sparrows or coveys of quail. That’s what I prefer.

    I have a dog and a cat. I walk the dog.

    But thanks. It warms my heart to have people take an interest, even if it’s only a fleeting comment on iSteve. It’s a measure of my preference for solitude that this interaction will last me a while. 😀

  205. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    I once had a tenant pull a knife on me while I was making ramen noodles, he never realized how close he came to getting a pot of boiling water thrown in his face.
     
    You are the opposite of the Albany landlady William Kennedy wrote about in his non-fiction book about his native city. When a tenant told her, on election eve, that he was thinking of voting for Thomas Dewey, she screamed "rape!" out the window. A beat cop came in and arrested the innocent man. He was released the next day-- too late to cast his vote.

    You want "suppression"? That's a classic!

    Replies: @Kylie

    Lol! A Dem engineering voter suppression nearly 80 years ago. Who da thunk it?

  206. @Almost Missouri
    @Art Deco

    85 to 102. Not bad.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    They’re mostly deceased at this point.

  207. @Hibernian
    @personfellowindividual

    Why isn't it Bay-har, as in Joy?

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Ron Mexico

    Bay-har is how it is pronounced in The Alamo (2004). However, an internet search finds multiple articles confirming Bear (Behr). Who knew?

  208. @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles






    Social isolation. A classic sign of depression...

    get a dog (dachshunds are nice)
     
    If you can find a real one, with a bark, not a yip. The bonsaiing of this breed is one of the subtler signs of our society's continued infantilization.


    https://www.sausagedogworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/standard-vs-miniature-dachshund-cover.jpg

    https://www.dachworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Standard-and-Mini-Dachshund.png


    You won't be seeing a remake of The Ugly Dachshund anytime soon. Unless they give the Great Dane rôle to a beagle.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    #2 most aggressive dog breed in the world

  209. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Almost Missouri

    Perhaps in the US, but elsewhere -no.

    In the 60s and the 70s, 80s, ...many people outside of teen & counter-cultural movements found Beatles to have catchy, melodious tunes & hummed them.

    In Europe, Soviet Union (if they could), South America, many parts of Asia. They liked them, people in- then- their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s,....

    Which is completely dissimilar to the rap crap situation.

    Rap is present for at least 2-3 decades, I don't know.

    And no one, virtually no one outside of the group that listens to that "music" has even heard of top five rappers & cannot recognize a single rap "song" (to call it that).

    So, to compare rap with the 60s-70s pop-rock is not realistic.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Beatles were mostly seen as charming by older Americans in c. 1965, although perhaps less so as they got scruffier over the years. “Yesterday” was a huge hit with all generations.

    The Rolling Stones, not so much, although I doubt if my mid-40s parents were terribly aware of their existence.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Of all the British Invasion boy bands the Stones came closest to a dead on imitation of a black American R&B group.

    Replies: @Not Raul

  210. @Bill P
    @Kylie

    I can't think of a time when I didn't have neighbors who were trading sex for money, except maybe the time I lived next to a golf course, but there my neighbors were too old for that, so some may have done it in the past. Some of my childhood friends' mothers did it, too. It wasn't something we talked about, but these things are kind of hard to hide.

    It's a lot more common than people admit, which makes me wonder whether it shouldn't just be decriminalized. One of my neighbors is an onlyfans worker and fairly open about it. Sometimes she comes out to water the plants in her getup leaving next to nothing to imagination. She's nuts, but she's actually fairly functional compared to some of the others -- at least she doesn't have kids and keeps a low profile. Naturally, she has a boyfriend/pimp -- a fairly nice but always down in the dumps black guy (yeah, it must be depressing to be hitched to a hooker). I really pity the guy.

    I had a girlfriend years ago whose neighbor was a real crack whore. She'd even do her thing in the driveway in guys' parked cars. No shame whatsoever... Her boyfriend/pimp? Another depressed black guy who ended up hanging himself. I saw him get wheeled out under a sheet.

    There is nothing glamorous about being a pimp. My hunch is that most pimps are themselves the sons of prostitutes and take on the role out of a sense of fatalism. Others probably just end up in that situation because they don't have the guts to leave a relationship in which the girlfriend insists on being a whore. I once saw a girl throw a tantrum when her boyfriend confronted her about "dating" older men. She tossed his clothes out the window and threatened to call the cops.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Unintended Consequence

    Why don’t you go upscale by moving to Nevada and living in the same neighborhood as a madame? In fact, you could encourage this ambition in the $50 go-it-alone whores so they could make more money with better working conditions and clientele.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Unintended Consequence

    There's a madame in every neighborhood. You don't think there's one in yours?

  211. “Other than murder…”

    Funny!

  212. @Unintended Consequence
    @Bill P

    Why don't you go upscale by moving to Nevada and living in the same neighborhood as a madame? In fact, you could encourage this ambition in the $50 go-it-alone whores so they could make more money with better working conditions and clientele.

    Replies: @Bill P

    There’s a madame in every neighborhood. You don’t think there’s one in yours?

  213. Could one use school “segregation” days in conjunction with murder rates by race to get a rough idea on the interracial murder rate?

    On a separate note, the autocorrect function on my phone refuses to recognize the word murder when I type it. It doesn’t say it’s wrong, but it won’t guess it as I type it in either. Very weird.

  214. @Almost Missouri
    @Bardon Kaldian


    rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are way richer than entertainers who made a historical-cultural impact like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger.
     
    Oh, rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are having a historical-cultural impact alright alright ...

    No one said "impact" had to be good.

    Don't forget that an older generation looked at McCartney and Jagger then the way you look at rappers and reality show celebrities now.

    James Watson is the world’s richest scientist with a net worth of $20 billion.
     
    Big, if true. And surprising.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Bardon Kaldian, @Richard B, @Richard B

    Don’t forget that an older generation looked at McCartney and Jagger then the way you look at rappers and reality show celebrities now.

    Analogy Fail.

    To the extent there were those of the older generation who felt that way they were in the minority. Most of them liked and even loved some of what The Beatles put out. That’s why Sinatra covered Yesterday and Something. The rest of it they either ignored or grumbled about. Which was especially the case when it came to the Stones.

    In fact, Sinatra’s comment about Something, that it was his favorite Lennon/McCartney song, was typical of his generations reaction to the Beatles, Stones and the younger generation in general. If anyone were to correct him and even make fun of him for not being “hip” enough to know who wrote what, like the rest of his generation he’d just shrug his shoulders as if to say So what? Who cares?

    The reaction to Rappers, on the other hand, is the reaction most people have to not just criminals, but narcissistic, self-pitying criminals who brag about the sex they have and the violence they commit, or plan to, ie; a mix of fear and loathing.

    Which, of course, is exactly the reaction that the real owners of the record companies, and not just the record companies, want. That way they get to scare the shit out of the public while accusing them of racism for not liking Rap.

  215. @Almost Missouri
    @Bardon Kaldian


    rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are way richer than entertainers who made a historical-cultural impact like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger.
     
    Oh, rapper garbage & trashy reality show celebrities are having a historical-cultural impact alright alright ...

    No one said "impact" had to be good.

    Don't forget that an older generation looked at McCartney and Jagger then the way you look at rappers and reality show celebrities now.

    James Watson is the world’s richest scientist with a net worth of $20 billion.
     
    Big, if true. And surprising.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Bardon Kaldian, @Richard B, @Richard B

    No one said “impact” had to be good.

    Absolutely!

    That’s why, regarding my previous response to your comment, the historical-cultural impact of both The Beatles, Stones, and Rappers combined fade into nothing in comparison with the impact the Real Owners have had on the West in the 20th/21st centuries. Those hate-filled destroyers make Rappers look like Choir Boys.

  216. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Thanks, I'd like to publish your list of places with excess white women.

    Can you confirm these are _non-Hispanic_ whites? I recall that Richard Florida years ago published a list of where the men are at for the benefit of women in which California coastal cities ranked high, but I pointed out that it was basically a list of cities with a lot of illegal aliens.

    Also, would it be possible to boost the minimum age to 18 or so? Probably not, in that age 15-24 is a standard federal age category, but I can imagine being lit up for, seemingly, trying to marry off minors. Actually, 25-34 is a pretty good age range as well in that guys interested in this ranking will likely not be that young.

    Indeed, ranking places with excess women 35-44 might be salutary to younger women in Manhattan considering whether to accept that proposal from their current boyfriend who wants to move to the suburbs or hold out for Mr. Big who will furnish them with the limousine lifestyle in Manhattan.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Ralph L

    No doubt thousands of young urban women follow iSteve for the dating advice.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Ralph L

    "No doubt thousands of young urban women follow iSteve for the dating advice."

    Nah, he'd need to post more pics of his dog for that to happen.

  217. @Ralph L
    @Steve Sailer

    No doubt thousands of young urban women follow iSteve for the dating advice.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “No doubt thousands of young urban women follow iSteve for the dating advice.”

    Nah, he’d need to post more pics of his dog for that to happen.

  218. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Steve Sailer

    Rotherham was about exploitation of the vulnerable.
    ...........................................................

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal#Murder_of_Laura_Wilson

    In 2012 Rotherham Council applied to the High Court for an injunction to stop Norfolk publishing an unredacted version of a serious case review written after the murder of a local girl, Laura Wilson.

    Known in the review as "Child S", Wilson was 17 in October 2010 when she was stabbed 40 times and thrown in the canal by her 17-year-old ex-boyfriend, Ashtiaq Asghar, an act the police called an "honour killing". She had had a baby four months earlier by a 21-year-old married man. The families of the men, both Pakistani heritage, had apparently been unaware of the relationships and the existence of the child. Tired of being a secret, Wilson decided to tell them. Days later, the ex-boyfriend murdered her. Both men stood trial; the older man was acquitted, and Asghar was jailed for 17 years and six months.

    Assessed as having an IQ of 56 and a reading and spelling age of 6, Wilson had been the target of localised grooming from at least age 11.
    The council had referred her to Risky Business three months after her 11th birthday, and when she was 13, Wilson and her family had appeared on The Jeremy Kyle Show to discuss children who were out of control. She had also been mentioned in the 2009 criminal inquiry that led to the first five convictions arising out of localised grooming in Rotherham.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    IQ 56 is Mensa level in Pakistan.

  219. @Steve Sailer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The Beatles were mostly seen as charming by older Americans in c. 1965, although perhaps less so as they got scruffier over the years. "Yesterday" was a huge hit with all generations.

    The Rolling Stones, not so much, although I doubt if my mid-40s parents were terribly aware of their existence.

    Replies: @Anon

    Of all the British Invasion boy bands the Stones came closest to a dead on imitation of a black American R&B group.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Anon


    Of all the British Invasion boy bands the Stones came closest to a dead on imitation of a black American R&B group.
     
    I’m not an expert on the era; but I would tend to agree. Some of their early R&B stuff is quite good.

    Manfred Mann was quite good, too. For example, see their 1964 cover of the Exciters’ “Do Wah Diddy Diddy”.
  220. @Rob McX
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    It always surprises me how stupid and cheap actual hitmen are.
     
    Even stupider are the people who hire them. They think getting some lowlife criminal to do the dirty work will protect them from any legal consequences. Needless to say, when the hitmen get caught, the first thing they do is give up whoever paid them.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Brutusale

    Real hitmen are staff, not hirees.

  221. @Almost Missouri
    @Steve Sailer


    Are you specifying “non-Hispanic white”?
     
    Yeah, I used the "NHWA_MALE" and "NHWA_FEMALE" codes, which the Census defines as "Not Hispanic, White alone" ("alone" meaning not mixed race).

    https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/technical-documentation/file-layouts/2010-2018/cc-est2018-alldata.pdf

    L.A. has a lot of illegal immigrant sojourners making money who skew highly male.
     
    Yeah that was my immediate thought at seeing the big male surpluses in LA, Las Vegas, and metro-Miami: "obviously Latino migrants". But then I remembered that I had already filtered for non-Hispanic. Maybe there's a subset of Latin Americans migrants who don't identify themselves as "Hispanic" on government forms, either because they (erroneously) assume it will somehow disadvantage them or because they just don't understand the the forms? Not all campesino migrants are literate. But then Miami Hispanics tend to be more Caribbean and South American than the Central Americans who dominate Southwestern migration, so it seems less likely they would log the same errors.

    Otherwise, Los Angeles County’s male excess is likely gay.
     
    That was AnotherDad's hypothesis too. I admit it hadn't occurred to me.

    One way to test—or at least create a reference for—the hypothesis is to look at the census tracts for "pure play" gay zones, like Provincetown, Fire Island, and Key West, to see how pronounced is the male skew. It is slightly baffling that women would be disproportionately attracted to the bright-lights-big-city of cold and dangerous New York, Boston (okay, Boston's not that dangerous), and DC, yet not to warm and sunny LA and Miami. Or maybe they do go to sunshine, but their numbers are overwhelmed by gays seeking hedonism? I mean, NYC, DC, and Boston have a certain amount of gay clustering too, right? So why are they overwhelmed by young women in those towns?

    Altogether it's an odd pattern that I can't think of any clear and consistent explanation for.

    Replies: @ginger bread man

    look at the census tracts for “pure play” gay zones, like Provincetown, Fire Island, and Key West, to see how pronounced is the male skew.

    Those census tracts are all seasonal vacation homes. The gays don’t live there year round. Better to compare to gay census tracts in NYC like Murray hill or Chelsea, where they live all year round.

  222. @Steve Sailer
    @Not Raul

    Thanks.

    Can you do Marion IN vs. Tulsa OK for me?

    Replies: @Not Raul

    OK.

    Tulsa .18

    Marion .39

    Tulsa: 1 – (1 – .18)^3 = 45%

    Marion: 1 – (1 – .39)^3 = 77%

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Not Raul

    Thanks.

  223. @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Of all the British Invasion boy bands the Stones came closest to a dead on imitation of a black American R&B group.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Of all the British Invasion boy bands the Stones came closest to a dead on imitation of a black American R&B group.

    I’m not an expert on the era; but I would tend to agree. Some of their early R&B stuff is quite good.

    Manfred Mann was quite good, too. For example, see their 1964 cover of the Exciters’ “Do Wah Diddy Diddy”.

  224. @Not Raul
    @Steve Sailer

    OK.

    Tulsa .18

    Marion .39

    Tulsa: 1 - (1 - .18)^3 = 45%

    Marion: 1 - (1 - .39)^3 = 77%

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

  225. @Cutter
    @Bill P

    Why do you live next to whores? I get cheap rent, but some things aren't worth being around.

    Replies: @Bill P

    Everyone lives next to whores, whether they know it or not. I’m going to assume you mean I should move somewhere where I won’t know it, but I’ve already seen too much in my life and I can’t help but know it for what it is.

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