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And iSteve commenter Henry’s Cat points to this story from the BBC:
Amateur archaeologist helps crack Ice Age cave art code
2 days ago
Ice Age hunter-gatherers in Europe used cave drawings to record detailed information about the lives of animals around them, a new study claims.
Markings found on paintings dating back at least 20,000 years have long been suspected as having meaning but had not been decoded until now.
The initial discovery that the markings related to animal life-cycles was made by furniture conservator Ben Bacon.
He then teamed up with professors from two universities to write their paper.
Their findings have now been published in the Cambridge Archaeological Journal.
Mr Bacon, from London, spent countless hours of his free time looking at examples of cave painting and analysing data to decipher what the markings signified.
… The so-called “proto-writing” system the team uncovered pre-dates others thought to have emerged during the Near Eastern Neolithic by at least 10,000 years.
The marks, found in more than 600 Ice Age images across Europe, reveal a record of information and references to a calendar, rather than recorded speech.
The sequences of dots, shapes and other markings appear alongside depictions of species such as reindeer, wild horses, fish, bison and extinct cattle called aurochs.
Using the birth cycles of equivalent animals today as a reference, the team worked out that the number of marks were a record, by lunar month, of when the animals were breeding.
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The Rhythm method.
Neat. Now he’s going to be called a racist for concentrating on European caves.
Would like to see the actual cattle upon which the drawing is based…
What is the meaning of Auroch?
: an extinct large long-horned wild ox of Europe that is the wild ancestor of domestic cattle
At the same time period in Sub-Saharan Africa some 20k years ago the single story stick and mud dwelling was invented. It would remain the largest style of architecture created by the indigenous peoples of the continent until European influence.
You want more White Guy Stuff? Check into amateur Astronomy. It’s one of the few scientific fields in which amateurs with some decent basic equipment can add to the body of knowledge.
There's other white guy stuff as well.Replies: @Director95
Just look at Israel to see how that can be done.
https://twitter.com/DanielPipes/status/1496177167327236096
Since Israel is "Our Greatest Ally," I'm sure they'd be offering some tips to us. We only need ask.Replies: @The Alarmist
Countless hours studying paintings of animals, made by people dead for thousands of years.
Would that those hours had been spent volunteering or participating in a community of the living. Probably could have guided a few whites to learn to delay gratification, guard this history that clearly means so much, value a book over a basketball, remember that video games are not real,and so on.
Things that would be on a scale small and personal enough that even the most onerous HR oversight board would not detect it.
White guys need to reenter the land of the living.
The rest of us White Guys think that what this fella did is pretty damn cool.
Have a point. Plenty of capable out there spending all their time online or checked out of the world in some way.
Part of this are the losses in the culture war. Plenty of guys running websites/youtube channels/writing books/fraternal groups tilted toward what you list have been hunted down and whacked by the left's Special Operation Groups. Meanwhile, their side gets gov't and corporate funding.
#WhiteGuyMagic
Or should that be ‘White Women Stuff’?
The majority (75%) of handprint “signatures” in cave art may have belonged to women. Prehistoric artists pressed a hand against the wall and spat out the dye. Measurements of finger lengths tally with those of ladies rather than those of men.
Before feminists get too excited, it’s been pointed out that adolescent boys’ finger lengths are similar to those of adult women, so youths may have been learning the trade from an elder master-craftsman.
Breeding. Massive vulnerability, a great time to hunt.
‘You want more White Guy Stuff? Check into amateur Astronomy. ‘
There’s other white guy stuff as well.
Sorry, Steve.
Northern Euro intellectual curiosity is no match for Jewish Machiavellianism, Black barbarism, East Asian industriousness, Subcontinental tribalism, Islamic fanaticism, and Hispanic fertility.
If Northern Euros want to start winning again, they’re going to need to do better than “amateur archeologists” and guys who look for stuff in the Norwegian snow.
Hey Steve why don’t you come up here to the Pacific NW coast and check out the petroglyphs? See what you can notice. Sounds fun.
Wish I had time to do that.
If you want more “White Guy Stuff,” then you need more “White Guys.” Raise the fertility rate.
Just look at Israel to see how that can be done.
Since Israel is “Our Greatest Ally,” I’m sure they’d be offering some tips to us. We only need ask.
Daniel Pipes is stuck in 2020, and apparently hasn’t read or heard about the drop off of live births and conception among the largely vaxxed Jewish populace, while the largely control-group Palestinians are still popping kids out in 2022.
gee, i wonder what was going on in Africa at the same time!
“the team worked out that the number of marks were a record, by lunar month, of when the animals were breeding.”
Are we to guess at the purpose?
They were measuring the effects of climate change, of course.
A pregnant animal may be slower and therefore easier to hunt, but then the pregnant animal has also sacrificed its body condition to grow the fetus, so a successful hunt would only catch an animal with less of the precious fats that make hunter populations robust. I suppose the hunters could make up part of the difference by eating the fetus as a sort of embryonic veal, but still, the fetus is low-fat too since the mother's depletion has mostly gone into developing the fetus's bones, organs and muscles. And whatever the vulnerability of a pregnant animal, it is offset by the stronger and more dangerous alpha males of the species who are typically more protective when their females are in calf.
Further, most wild animals breed on an annual solar cycle, rather than a monthly lunar cycle.
But the real problem with the "Hunting Hypothesis" is that people have to eat every day, not just the once in x months that the local fauna decide to breed. So it's hard to see how tracking breeding would matter that much for hunters.
I'm not a hunter myself, but the hunters I know take very little account of the estrous cycles of their prey.
So who does take exacting notes of animal breeding cycles?
Ranchers, cattleman, dairy herdsmen, animal breeders, veterinarians, ... anyone whose business is livestock. For them, the literal lifeblood of their business—their living—is knowing when their animals are breeding and controlling how that breeding takes place.
If these archeologists have correctly solved this Paleolithic DaVinci Code, the implication is that animal herding and domestication stretch back much further into the past than heretofore understood, at least among Ice Age Europeans.Replies: @AnotherDad
Properly decoded it reads
https://external-preview.redd.it/ODd5sks8luSokct_QuYKzUemEThDTrgduHUonGWXybM.jpg?auto=webp&s=68fe2ede489998240ca577806003ad6e2e10fafa
Are we to guess at the purpose?Replies: @kaganovitch, @Roger, @Almost Missouri, @kaganovitch, @Yngvar
Are we to guess at the purpose?
They were measuring the effects of climate change, of course.
The majority (75%) of handprint "signatures" in cave art may have belonged to women. Prehistoric artists pressed a hand against the wall and spat out the dye. Measurements of finger lengths tally with those of ladies rather than those of men.
Before feminists get too excited, it's been pointed out that adolescent boys' finger lengths are similar to those of adult women, so youths may have been learning the trade from an elder master-craftsman.Replies: @Anon
Now turn your webcam on so we can see your face get red when you find out that these “ancient Europeans” weren’t white, but black skinned.
None of us but the idiotic lederhosen guy care about color.
And then way up in Norway? They've dug up ancient remains and those places had the modern Euro skin lightening gene package--and blue eyes, blond hair even way back then, 7-8000 years ago before ag. That's where Euros get those genes from.
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The whole "Europeans were diverse! Not white!" thing is just a try-hard scam. Sure, ancient hunter gatherers roaming in from the south weren't "white". Heck before that neandertals weren't "white". Before, millions of years ago ... no "people" at all.
But Europeans have precisely been "Europeans"--not something else--the entire time there has even been something recognizably "European" and all the cool "European" stuff was produced. The only change has been that by selecting themselves--gene-culture-co-evolution--Europeans have been become more European, more unique, enabling them to do more cool European stuff over the past few thousand years.Replies: @Anon
My father taught high school astronomy, so I was looking through telescopes while the other kids were playing baseball. This was kind of Nerdy White Guy Stuff. Later, I had a friend in college who claimed he was into amateur astronomy. One time we were hanging out in his dorm room. While he made a visit down the hall to the restroom, I went over to his telescope set up by his window and looked into it. To my shock and surprise, it was trained on the girls dorm across the courtyard. This was kind of Pervy White Guy Stuff.
Whites Guys can’t do their stuff if you don’t openly, publicly defend White society. We have examples in history of White countries (or White led countries) turning Brown. It didn’t go well.
If you won’t defend White society, you don’t deserve its achievements . So sayeth Nature.
Are we to guess at the purpose?Replies: @kaganovitch, @Roger, @Almost Missouri, @kaganovitch, @Yngvar
The explanation sounds farfetched. I did not read the paper, so maybe they have good evidence, but I am skeptical.
Good call.
While his effort and focus is commendable, there seems to be exactly zero evidence for his hypothesis.
A "Y" shaped squiggle means "birth"?!
And dots or lines are months, or some division of time?
Much more likely that the dots and lines are a counting system. Not clear what they're counting, but surely looks like a tote board.
A researcher has hypothesized that these cave paintings were used like cinemas. At night, the audience would be ushered into the dark cave, strategically lit by torches and fires. Probably accompanied by a guide/storyteller, the experience likely narrated a story of suspense and thrills--chasing and hunting the animals.
Maybe the marks were notes to the storytellers? Maybe the marks were part of the story--"we killed 4 of these beasts." Or something like that.
Calendar-based indications of breeding cycles? Pretty far-fetched and with no clear link to the evidence.
https://www.sapiens.org/archaeology/archaeology-diversity/
LOL. Just LOL.
As a refreshing change , the reason Archeology needs a big injection of vibrancy has nothing to do with the hair of the offended minority Archeologist. In this case the Ur-trauma was a colleague telling him
“I didn’t think you people used sunscreen.” I'll bet you didn't see that coming. As he says "After that, I started putting on sunscreen alone in my hotel room." Imagine the pain of being shut out of the communal application of sunscreen. Oh, the Humanity!
I'm happy to report that he bore up manfully , in spite of this oppression, and succeeded in getting a position at Berkeley. For those inclined to believe the sunscreen anecdote, here is a pic of our hero..
https://anthropology.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/styles/openberkeley_image_full/public/general/unnamed-3_5.jpg?itok=lYzSXJtG×tamp=1521495812Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Twinkie
You’re smug and wrong. He solved the puzzle on his own (as white people have been known to do) but this is actually a subject of interest to many living people, as you might infer from it being in the news. He also collaborated with some to publish his findings. I for one admire this working man for contributing to knowledge of European history in his spare time.
This blog has been getting a lot of these smug comments insinuating that doing anything individualistic or intellectual is a waste. I suppose for a lot of people (presumably including the ones who post this stuff) it would be….
This is a great point to make to goofy white so-called liberal types, or non-whites, when they go on about ancient civilisations and how white civilisation is nothing special…
How do we know about these ancient non-white civilisations? Who are, or were, the people doing the excavation and research? The name of the archeologists involved is invariably a German, a French, a British, or an American, or else some other European. IOW, a white man.
Translation: “Unschiugulfangüng veibßreibst leiderhoisen!”
The rest of us White Guys think that what this fella did is pretty damn cool.
Idiot.
None of us but the idiotic lederhosen guy care about color.
Ahem….
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/
You're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that he wasn't black. He had almost none of the "lightening" alleles associated with modern humans, save for eye color.
Dude was about as dark as Wesley Snipes. So were the rest of the Euro stone peckers. Not sure why it's hard for you to comprehend that a species from Africa was real, real dark. And long legged. Did you know the Cro Magnons had real long legs and short torsos like an African? Raise your paw for me you already knew that.
Steve isn’t claiming that these ancient people were white. He’s saying that it’s a white guy thing to take an interest in 10.000-year-old stuff. Curiosity as a white guy thing.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/racial-hoaxes-as-an-excuse-for-playing-dress-up/#comment-5741245
East Asians are also interested in culture, but the emphasis seems to me to be different. For example, my impression is that Chinese are mostly only interested in the past/culture if it is that of China. I think Koreans and Japanese are similar, but Japan is in the curious position of having adopted an identity as a semi-western syncretistic culture since the end of WW2, which I think explains why they take so much interest in European culture--they literally see themselves as part of it, even if we don't see them that way.Replies: @Anon
Hobbies, too, according to anthropologist Henry Harpending.
Mean. We have different skill sets; he is no doubt an introvert who doesn’t do well around people.
Have a point. Plenty of capable out there spending all their time online or checked out of the world in some way.
Part of this are the losses in the culture war. Plenty of guys running websites/youtube channels/writing books/fraternal groups tilted toward what you list have been hunted down and whacked by the left’s Special Operation Groups. Meanwhile, their side gets gov’t and corporate funding.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous
Some of us guessed that about a nanosecond after the “Black Cheddar Man!” screaming headlines were published.
Link to paper: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/cambridge-archaeological-journal/article/an-upper-palaeolithic-protowriting-system-and-phenological-calendar/6F2AD8A705888F2226FE857840B4FE19
“It’s not the color of the skin; it’s the content of the character.”
Why is it that hard to recognize that Sub-Saharan Ethiopians invented a distinctive style of architecture?
Are we to guess at the purpose?Replies: @kaganovitch, @Roger, @Almost Missouri, @kaganovitch, @Yngvar
One wonders.
A pregnant animal may be slower and therefore easier to hunt, but then the pregnant animal has also sacrificed its body condition to grow the fetus, so a successful hunt would only catch an animal with less of the precious fats that make hunter populations robust. I suppose the hunters could make up part of the difference by eating the fetus as a sort of embryonic veal, but still, the fetus is low-fat too since the mother’s depletion has mostly gone into developing the fetus’s bones, organs and muscles. And whatever the vulnerability of a pregnant animal, it is offset by the stronger and more dangerous alpha males of the species who are typically more protective when their females are in calf.
Further, most wild animals breed on an annual solar cycle, rather than a monthly lunar cycle.
But the real problem with the “Hunting Hypothesis” is that people have to eat every day, not just the once in x months that the local fauna decide to breed. So it’s hard to see how tracking breeding would matter that much for hunters.
I’m not a hunter myself, but the hunters I know take very little account of the estrous cycles of their prey.
So who does take exacting notes of animal breeding cycles?
Ranchers, cattleman, dairy herdsmen, animal breeders, veterinarians, … anyone whose business is livestock. For them, the literal lifeblood of their business—their living—is knowing when their animals are breeding and controlling how that breeding takes place.
If these archeologists have correctly solved this Paleolithic DaVinci Code, the implication is that animal herding and domestication stretch back much further into the past than heretofore understood, at least among Ice Age Europeans.
You might remember you had some entanglement with your wife before she was pregnant with your kids. This is required for other species as well.
For many of these terrific grazing species that time is the best time possible to locate and take them. Especially big males who must a) show up around females and b) are focused on fending off other males and breeding their harem, so are easier to locate, unlikely to run off and less aware of you.Replies: @Almost Missouri
“The explanation sounds farfetched.”
Good call.
While his effort and focus is commendable, there seems to be exactly zero evidence for his hypothesis.
A “Y” shaped squiggle means “birth”?!
And dots or lines are months, or some division of time?
Much more likely that the dots and lines are a counting system. Not clear what they’re counting, but surely looks like a tote board.
A researcher has hypothesized that these cave paintings were used like cinemas. At night, the audience would be ushered into the dark cave, strategically lit by torches and fires. Probably accompanied by a guide/storyteller, the experience likely narrated a story of suspense and thrills–chasing and hunting the animals.
Maybe the marks were notes to the storytellers? Maybe the marks were part of the story–“we killed 4 of these beasts.” Or something like that.
Calendar-based indications of breeding cycles? Pretty far-fetched and with no clear link to the evidence.
Almost Missouri writes:
so, not a paleo medicine shaman inventing penicillin millennia before some slacker Frog claimed to?
Wakandans were flying around giant pyramids while the White Europeans were figuring out how to draw. Jus sayin’!
Or maybe not hunt (or not hunt females) — so the food supply remains abundant?
There's other white guy stuff as well.Replies: @Director95
Guns and ammo is a white guy topic. Endless and very detailed and helpful.
White guys venture into “dead” history, far off lands, or “abstract” science, and return with the secrets of life, the universe and everything!
#WhiteGuyMagic
Just look at Israel to see how that can be done.
https://twitter.com/DanielPipes/status/1496177167327236096
Since Israel is "Our Greatest Ally," I'm sure they'd be offering some tips to us. We only need ask.Replies: @The Alarmist
Yes, it would be “Stay away from the clot-shot.”
Daniel Pipes is stuck in 2020, and apparently hasn’t read or heard about the drop off of live births and conception among the largely vaxxed Jewish populace, while the largely control-group Palestinians are still popping kids out in 2022.
Answer: per Google.
What is the meaning of Auroch?
: an extinct large long-horned wild ox of Europe that is the wild ancestor of domestic cattle
Even Wikipedia balks at such nonsense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Ethiopia
A pregnant animal may be slower and therefore easier to hunt, but then the pregnant animal has also sacrificed its body condition to grow the fetus, so a successful hunt would only catch an animal with less of the precious fats that make hunter populations robust. I suppose the hunters could make up part of the difference by eating the fetus as a sort of embryonic veal, but still, the fetus is low-fat too since the mother's depletion has mostly gone into developing the fetus's bones, organs and muscles. And whatever the vulnerability of a pregnant animal, it is offset by the stronger and more dangerous alpha males of the species who are typically more protective when their females are in calf.
Further, most wild animals breed on an annual solar cycle, rather than a monthly lunar cycle.
But the real problem with the "Hunting Hypothesis" is that people have to eat every day, not just the once in x months that the local fauna decide to breed. So it's hard to see how tracking breeding would matter that much for hunters.
I'm not a hunter myself, but the hunters I know take very little account of the estrous cycles of their prey.
So who does take exacting notes of animal breeding cycles?
Ranchers, cattleman, dairy herdsmen, animal breeders, veterinarians, ... anyone whose business is livestock. For them, the literal lifeblood of their business—their living—is knowing when their animals are breeding and controlling how that breeding takes place.
If these archeologists have correctly solved this Paleolithic DaVinci Code, the implication is that animal herding and domestication stretch back much further into the past than heretofore understood, at least among Ice Age Europeans.Replies: @AnotherDad
“breeding” not “pregnant” nor “calving”.
You might remember you had some entanglement with your wife before she was pregnant with your kids. This is required for other species as well.
For many of these terrific grazing species that time is the best time possible to locate and take them. Especially big males who must a) show up around females and b) are focused on fending off other males and breeding their harem, so are easier to locate, unlikely to run off and less aware of you.
Even if there is some tiny hunting advantage that I don't see, it hardly seems worth the trouble of tracking all that estrous/breeding. And it still doesn't solve the problem that you have to eat every day while most wild herds breed once per year, usually in the autumn.
Which brings me to another problem with the Hunting Hypothesis: I'm sure cavemen were perfectly well aware that rutting season is in the Autumn. They didn't need elaborate markings to tell them that, or even to tell them when Autumn was coming. And why would they care? Ya still gotta eat every day, breeding or no.
The more I think about it, if these markings really were tracking breeding, it only makes sense under some kind of proto-domestication scenario. Like the Lapps with their reindeer herds, or Indian mahouts concerned when their elephants would going into musth.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Twinkie
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous
Feeble article. Cheddar Man had the same genetic architecture for skin color as Black Africans do.
You’re going to have a hard time convincing anyone that he wasn’t black. He had almost none of the “lightening” alleles associated with modern humans, save for eye color.
Dude was about as dark as Wesley Snipes. So were the rest of the Euro stone peckers. Not sure why it’s hard for you to comprehend that a species from Africa was real, real dark. And long legged. Did you know the Cro Magnons had real long legs and short torsos like an African? Raise your paw for me you already knew that.
Bronze age? LOL. Uh no. Much further back to ancient hunter gatherers before agriculture.
And then way up in Norway? They’ve dug up ancient remains and those places had the modern Euro skin lightening gene package–and blue eyes, blond hair even way back then, 7-8000 years ago before ag. That’s where Euros get those genes from.
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The whole “Europeans were diverse! Not white!” thing is just a try-hard scam. Sure, ancient hunter gatherers roaming in from the south weren’t “white”. Heck before that neandertals weren’t “white”. Before, millions of years ago … no “people” at all.
But Europeans have precisely been “Europeans”–not something else–the entire time there has even been something recognizably “European” and all the cool “European” stuff was produced. The only change has been that by selecting themselves–gene-culture-co-evolution–Europeans have been become more European, more unique, enabling them to do more cool European stuff over the past few thousand years.
There has never been a stone age human from Norway with blond hair and blue eyes. Fact. Light skin and blond hair are from Asia. Get over it. Stone age scandinavians did not contribute jack shit to modern Europeans, hardly anybody has DNA from them, and any "blonde" Scandinavian HG got those genes from Siberians.Except those "European" genes are from the west and central Asia. For most of tbe last 10,000 years the majority of Europeans looked like Forrest Whitaker, except those on the fringes with blood from the east.Replies: @graplefam
You might remember you had some entanglement with your wife before she was pregnant with your kids. This is required for other species as well.
For many of these terrific grazing species that time is the best time possible to locate and take them. Especially big males who must a) show up around females and b) are focused on fending off other males and breeding their harem, so are easier to locate, unlikely to run off and less aware of you.Replies: @Almost Missouri
Perhaps, but if I’m hunting huge ungulates with bows and spears, I’d rather that the big males are out of town. And if you’ve spent any time around large animals, when a female is in heat, watch out! Bad time to share the ground with them with only a pointy stick to defend yourself.
Even if there is some tiny hunting advantage that I don’t see, it hardly seems worth the trouble of tracking all that estrous/breeding. And it still doesn’t solve the problem that you have to eat every day while most wild herds breed once per year, usually in the autumn.
Which brings me to another problem with the Hunting Hypothesis: I’m sure cavemen were perfectly well aware that rutting season is in the Autumn. They didn’t need elaborate markings to tell them that, or even to tell them when Autumn was coming. And why would they care? Ya still gotta eat every day, breeding or no.
The more I think about it, if these markings really were tracking breeding, it only makes sense under some kind of proto-domestication scenario. Like the Lapps with their reindeer herds, or Indian mahouts concerned when their elephants would going into musth.
But if you're a hunter gatherer you will want to know exactly when and where the rut or ideal harvesting time is for every species you depend on.
Precisely because they did not "eat everyday"--at least not well. Not for our temperate zone ancestors who had to contend with winter. When the time was ripe they had "make hay"--meat, fish, fowl, nuts, berries, fruits, seeds, oils, fats, hides, furs, etc. etc. ... or else starve and die off. Being able to plan and successfully do this and make it through winter is what started separating out our ancestors in capability from more tropical peoples.Replies: @Almost Missouri
Debunked here:
http://rupestre.on-rev.com/page156/files/985d4c5017a4fa146112b3d6ba6b9ee8-142.php#unique-entry-id-142
In French, but Google Translate est votre ami.
Are we to guess at the purpose?Replies: @kaganovitch, @Roger, @Almost Missouri, @kaganovitch, @Yngvar
Are we to guess at the purpose?
Properly decoded it reads
LOL. Just LOL.
As a refreshing change , the reason Archeology needs a big injection of vibrancy has nothing to do with the hair of the offended minority Archeologist. In this case the Ur-trauma was a colleague telling him
“I didn’t think you people used sunscreen.” I’ll bet you didn’t see that coming. As he says “After that, I started putting on sunscreen alone in my hotel room.” Imagine the pain of being shut out of the communal application of sunscreen. Oh, the Humanity!
I’m happy to report that he bore up manfully , in spite of this oppression, and succeeded in getting a position at Berkeley. For those inclined to believe the sunscreen anecdote, here is a pic of our hero..
Even if there is some tiny hunting advantage that I don't see, it hardly seems worth the trouble of tracking all that estrous/breeding. And it still doesn't solve the problem that you have to eat every day while most wild herds breed once per year, usually in the autumn.
Which brings me to another problem with the Hunting Hypothesis: I'm sure cavemen were perfectly well aware that rutting season is in the Autumn. They didn't need elaborate markings to tell them that, or even to tell them when Autumn was coming. And why would they care? Ya still gotta eat every day, breeding or no.
The more I think about it, if these markings really were tracking breeding, it only makes sense under some kind of proto-domestication scenario. Like the Lapps with their reindeer herds, or Indian mahouts concerned when their elephants would going into musth.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Twinkie
No, your primary challenge is finding them where you can get close to kill. In the rut both of those are accomplished. (Having one charge you while your tribemates jam a spear into its side is goodness. Yes, you may–many do–get hurt at some point. It’s not Costco.)
I’m claiming nothing about whether their ideas are correct.
But if you’re a hunter gatherer you will want to know exactly when and where the rut or ideal harvesting time is for every species you depend on.
Precisely because they did not “eat everyday”–at least not well. Not for our temperate zone ancestors who had to contend with winter. When the time was ripe they had “make hay”–meat, fish, fowl, nuts, berries, fruits, seeds, oils, fats, hides, furs, etc. etc. … or else starve and die off. Being able to plan and successfully do this and make it through winter is what started separating out our ancestors in capability from more tropical peoples.
I think this ground has been covered several times before on this blog. While technically “sub-Saharan” geographically, the Ethiopians had both cultural and genetic mixing from outside Africa, and the term “sub-Saharan” in the context the commenter used it means “Africans, excepting Ethiopians”.
As a refreshing change , the reason Archeology needs a big injection of vibrancy has nothing to do with the hair of the offended minority Archeologist. In this case the Ur-trauma was a colleague telling him
“I didn’t think you people used sunscreen.” I'll bet you didn't see that coming. As he says "After that, I started putting on sunscreen alone in my hotel room." Imagine the pain of being shut out of the communal application of sunscreen. Oh, the Humanity!
I'm happy to report that he bore up manfully , in spite of this oppression, and succeeded in getting a position at Berkeley. For those inclined to believe the sunscreen anecdote, here is a pic of our hero..
https://anthropology.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/styles/openberkeley_image_full/public/general/unnamed-3_5.jpg?itok=lYzSXJtG×tamp=1521495812Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Twinkie
The phrase “you people” is so likely to invite scandal that it’s hard to believe anyone in the social or professional circles of academics would ever use it. In turn, it is hard to believe the anecdote is true.
This relates to the comment I made recently about whites’ interest in and need for “culture” generally…
https://www.unz.com/isteve/racial-hoaxes-as-an-excuse-for-playing-dress-up/#comment-5741245
East Asians are also interested in culture, but the emphasis seems to me to be different. For example, my impression is that Chinese are mostly only interested in the past/culture if it is that of China. I think Koreans and Japanese are similar, but Japan is in the curious position of having adopted an identity as a semi-western syncretistic culture since the end of WW2, which I think explains why they take so much interest in European culture–they literally see themselves as part of it, even if we don’t see them that way.
What the hell is wrong with you?
The initial discovery that the markings related to animal life-cycles was made by furniture conservator Ben Bacon.
He then teamed up with professors from two universities to write their paper.
Their findings have now been published in the Cambridge Archaeological Journal.
Mr Bacon, from London, spent countless hours of his free time looking at examples of cave painting and analysing data to decipher what the markings signified.
Steve – we really need your voice pointing out that humans do not need to be cooped up in schools (i.e. prisons) 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 9 months a year, for 9 years to do great, fantastic things.
But if you're a hunter gatherer you will want to know exactly when and where the rut or ideal harvesting time is for every species you depend on.
Precisely because they did not "eat everyday"--at least not well. Not for our temperate zone ancestors who had to contend with winter. When the time was ripe they had "make hay"--meat, fish, fowl, nuts, berries, fruits, seeds, oils, fats, hides, furs, etc. etc. ... or else starve and die off. Being able to plan and successfully do this and make it through winter is what started separating out our ancestors in capability from more tropical peoples.Replies: @Almost Missouri
Winter isn’t the problem in this case, since an Autumn/early Winter kill could last through to the Spring. The problem is Summer when meat will not keep, and neither will your (nor your family’s) appetite.
We don’t really have to speculate about this. There have been since anthropology began—and still are—plenty of stone-age hunting peoples. So far as I know, none of them track the estrous of their prey. Likewise, there have been and still are many pastoral/herding people. So far as I know, all of them track the estrous of their livestock.
Incidentally, Graham, above, cites a French blog (blogue?) that cast some doubt on the paper, specifically noting that its quantitative analysis entirely leaves out its claim about tracking migrations, leaving only the breeding claim, and noting that the pictures are generally in very inaccessible (and poorly lit!) parts of caves, which implies a more ritualistic than a quotidian purpose.
Even if there is some tiny hunting advantage that I don't see, it hardly seems worth the trouble of tracking all that estrous/breeding. And it still doesn't solve the problem that you have to eat every day while most wild herds breed once per year, usually in the autumn.
Which brings me to another problem with the Hunting Hypothesis: I'm sure cavemen were perfectly well aware that rutting season is in the Autumn. They didn't need elaborate markings to tell them that, or even to tell them when Autumn was coming. And why would they care? Ya still gotta eat every day, breeding or no.
The more I think about it, if these markings really were tracking breeding, it only makes sense under some kind of proto-domestication scenario. Like the Lapps with their reindeer herds, or Indian mahouts concerned when their elephants would going into musth.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Twinkie
Dogs? Maybe they can smell the hormones. 😉
As a refreshing change , the reason Archeology needs a big injection of vibrancy has nothing to do with the hair of the offended minority Archeologist. In this case the Ur-trauma was a colleague telling him
“I didn’t think you people used sunscreen.” I'll bet you didn't see that coming. As he says "After that, I started putting on sunscreen alone in my hotel room." Imagine the pain of being shut out of the communal application of sunscreen. Oh, the Humanity!
I'm happy to report that he bore up manfully , in spite of this oppression, and succeeded in getting a position at Berkeley. For those inclined to believe the sunscreen anecdote, here is a pic of our hero..
https://anthropology.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/styles/openberkeley_image_full/public/general/unnamed-3_5.jpg?itok=lYzSXJtG×tamp=1521495812Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Twinkie
Can we get a “smacks his own head” button?
Nah. Right now the order pertaining to said land is let it burn. Don’t want to disrespect a girlboss with mansplaining, plus none of the customary rewards are available.
With sub-Saharan Africans usually the Bantu are meant. Ethiopians are not Bantu.
Are we to guess at the purpose?Replies: @kaganovitch, @Roger, @Almost Missouri, @kaganovitch, @Yngvar
The herds are migratory and move predictably between grazing grounds, mating grounds, birthing grounds and nursing grounds. Tracking the months hunters knew were the animals where or when they could be expected to arrive at place.
And then way up in Norway? They've dug up ancient remains and those places had the modern Euro skin lightening gene package--and blue eyes, blond hair even way back then, 7-8000 years ago before ag. That's where Euros get those genes from.
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The whole "Europeans were diverse! Not white!" thing is just a try-hard scam. Sure, ancient hunter gatherers roaming in from the south weren't "white". Heck before that neandertals weren't "white". Before, millions of years ago ... no "people" at all.
But Europeans have precisely been "Europeans"--not something else--the entire time there has even been something recognizably "European" and all the cool "European" stuff was produced. The only change has been that by selecting themselves--gene-culture-co-evolution--Europeans have been become more European, more unique, enabling them to do more cool European stuff over the past few thousand years.Replies: @Anon
The fuck is this tard on about?
There has never been a stone age human from Norway with blond hair and blue eyes. Fact.
Light skin and blond hair are from Asia. Get over it. Stone age scandinavians did not contribute jack shit to modern Europeans, hardly anybody has DNA from them, and any “blonde” Scandinavian HG got those genes from Siberians.
Except those “European” genes are from the west and central Asia. For most of tbe last 10,000 years the majority of Europeans looked like Forrest Whitaker, except those on the fringes with blood from the east.
He then teamed up with professors from two universities to write their paper.
Their findings have now been published in the Cambridge Archaeological Journal.
Mr Bacon, from London, spent countless hours of his free time looking at examples of cave painting and analysing data to decipher what the markings signified.
Steve - we really need your voice pointing out that humans do not need to be cooped up in schools (i.e. prisons) 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 9 months a year, for 9 years to do great, fantastic things.Replies: @Hunsdon
Hear him!
https://www.unz.com/isteve/racial-hoaxes-as-an-excuse-for-playing-dress-up/#comment-5741245
East Asians are also interested in culture, but the emphasis seems to me to be different. For example, my impression is that Chinese are mostly only interested in the past/culture if it is that of China. I think Koreans and Japanese are similar, but Japan is in the curious position of having adopted an identity as a semi-western syncretistic culture since the end of WW2, which I think explains why they take so much interest in European culture--they literally see themselves as part of it, even if we don't see them that way.Replies: @Anon
You’re a joke. Average white person has Kanji tattoos, has a Samurai sword on their wall, spends all day looking at Japanese porn, all day playing Japanese video games, all day watching Japanese cartoons, all day listening to K-pop… And you think you’re in a position to talk shit? Wash the fucking cheeto dust off of your shirt you clown, it’s white people who think they’re East Asians. Nobody in Asia gives a fuck about your primitive ass culture that was built through homicide, cannibalism, theft and rape.
There has never been a stone age human from Norway with blond hair and blue eyes. Fact. Light skin and blond hair are from Asia. Get over it. Stone age scandinavians did not contribute jack shit to modern Europeans, hardly anybody has DNA from them, and any "blonde" Scandinavian HG got those genes from Siberians.Except those "European" genes are from the west and central Asia. For most of tbe last 10,000 years the majority of Europeans looked like Forrest Whitaker, except those on the fringes with blood from the east.Replies: @graplefam
The bronze age in Britain began about 2000 BC, about a thousand years after it began in the Near East. Britain has tin, you know. So it is likely that bronze came to what is now Norway no sooner than that. So you are claiming that 4000 years ago the Scandinavians looked like Forrest Whittaker, a Negro? Or are you claiming that Negroid proto-Vikings invented bronze millennia before the Anatolians and Mesopotamians did? And only then became White?
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/15/3018
https://www.mdpi.com/nutrients/nutrients-14-03018/article_deploy/html/images/nutrients-14-03018-g003-550.jpgJesus Christ, you fool, you're on the internet in the year 2023 and still failing to harness it for its intended purpose. That's the kind of ass backwards stone-age goofball you are.
Imagine what your life could be like if you had the good sense to shut up and read information written by actual experts, instead of trying to reconstruct pre-history itself — from within the limitations of your own feeble ass mind?
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/15/3018
Jesus Christ, you fool, you’re on the internet in the year 2023 and still failing to harness it for its intended purpose. That’s the kind of ass backwards stone-age goofball you are.
“Tard”
“Shut up”
“Feeble ass mind”
“Fool”
“Ass backwards stone-age goofball”
You lack credibility. Not the language of one who actually knows his subject. I used to live in the student ghetto around CalTech, when I drove a bus for a living. I am still acquainted with four physicists. People who actually know things don’t talk like that. You can post some charts you pulled off the internet and quote some alleged “expert”, but you don’t really know anything yourself. You are a pretender boasting to everyone how smart you are, so smart that you know that the Scandinavians of 2000 BC were Black, and we’re all dummies for not recognizing your brilliance. You are what Vox Day calls a “gamma”.
Pick a name so that adults can know when to pass over your comments.