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The growth of black gang violence in far-off Australia raises an interesting question that I can barely find discussed anywhere online: white flight in other countries.

The Great Migration of 6 or 7 million African-Americans from the South to Northern cities in the 1940s-1970s contributed heavily to white flight to the suburbs. With sub-Saharan Africa forecast to quadruple in population to 4 billion over the rest of the century, first world countries need to be thinking seriously about what would be the impact of a Greater Migration of blacks out of Africa of one or two orders of magnitude greater than the Great Migration that caused so much havoc in 20th Century urban America.

So what do other countries think about this prospect? I can’t find much in English on the topic of white flight in Europe.

I suspect that lots of European elites think that It Can’t Happen Here because:

– They don’t really grasp that it ever happened in America. After all, it’s not a subject for respectable discourse in the American press.

– Unlike us, white Americans are racist, so they deserved whatever it was that happened to them.

– We’ll send the migrants to the boring suburbs instead, and keep the lovely downtowns for ourselves.

– We have gun control, so how bad can things get?

 
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  1. Steve, I love you, but you don’t know Europe.

    Current West-Euro politicians are usually from small cities 100k-500k ppl, grew up in white areas, went to all-white schools, white sports clubs, etc. and never knew much about war exc WWII memories from Hollywood. They experienced nothing but constant economic & tech progress. They often grew up middle class. To them muslims mean nice food and blacks mean happy dancing people.

    White flight and race realism are alien concepts to them.

    But the current generation of youngsters knows better.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Isn't that kind of Steve's point: the current West-Euro pols have reared a monster, and have no clue about the damage it is about to inflict?

    They could read iSteve, get based and head off the problem before it inflicts trillion-euro mega-casualties. Instead they will drink the MSM narcotic and suffer the fate of history's soft and decadent. Or rather inflict that fate on their countries, before retiring to their villas.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    The globalizer ruling classes of European nations knows exactly what they are doing by pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration and multicultural mayhem.

    I'll run with your suggestion that the European ruling classes are sheltered from racial realities and they just don't comprehend the magnitude of the racial problem caused by mass immigration. If that is the case, then these same bonehead ruling class members will be easy to dislodge from power because they are so stupid.

    I think the ruling class bastards know what the Hell they're doing. Regardless of whether or not they came from big towns or small cities without much racial strife.

    In the USA, in the last 15 years or so, even the big towns and small cities have been targeted by the evil ruling class of the American Empire for mass immigration and racial replacement.

    Some people with a good political imagination are just now envisioning the time when the US ruling class is toppled and the US military is used to remove the ruling classes from power in European Christian nations.

    France has nukes, so the French military will have to be treated as the ultimate power when it is time to dislodge the French ruling class from power.
  2. Anonymous[284] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘White flight’ on an enormous scale definitely occurred in London, England, as early as the 1960s and 70s.

    Think: The Greater London area has an enormous population, being at least 8 millions. Since the 1960s a massive turnover has occurred, the population going from almost 100% white to under 50% white, whist the numbers have remained the same – in other words, 4 million whites simply ‘vanished’ from London.

    They didn’t ‘vanish’ of course. They simply moved the Hell out.

    • Replies: @g2k
    Uk cities certainly saw white flight, but the extent to which it was caused by migration it's debatable. The countryside was considered an aspirational place for several generations up to and including the boomers. Victorian terraces have poor provision for cars, bituminous coal was burned for heating up until the 60s which produced appauling air quality and the silent generation were evacuated as children to nice middle class houses with spare rooms in rural areas during the blitz whuch most of them enjoyed. There were also post war "slum" clearance (urban vandalism) programs which shipped a lot of working class londoners out to (not very nice) sprawling estates in satellite towns.
    , @Simon in London
    While there was lots of white flight from London, the population has also increased greatly.

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on - the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.

    , @anon

    They didn’t ‘vanish’ of course. They simply moved the Hell out.
     
    To Australia, Canada, NZ, Spain, etc, etc.

    Where are they going to move to next?
    , @Jimbo in OPKS
    Watch this YouTube video of Whiter Shade of Pale.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3iPP-tHdA&feature=youtu.be
    It has scenes filmed in London circa 1967. Lilly white 100%.
  3. The prevailing (Economist) opinion in Europe is that massive black African immigration is ‘good for the economy’ or ‘will fund pension schemes’ and is thus to be encouraged.

    Quietly, for sure (a la George Osborne). We don’t want to frighten the peasants, of course.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    This is the same lie that has been told in the States for decades about massive illegal/legal immigration from points south. Not to worry that we have allowed in millions of low education peasants from violent and corrupt countries - they are going to prop up our social welfare system and add to GDP, so really it's the existing citizens who are getting the better end of the bargain! Let's not think about the future implications of importing a massive underclass that a) tends not to produce kids who do much better economically than the original immigrants, b) are not particularly interested in education, and c) who vote 2/1 for Democrats and more redistribution of income.
    , @Ed
    Mass migration of Africans is not going to happen due to the response of the electorate to the recent surge. Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.
    , @Endgame Napoleon
    White South Africans, fleeing violence by emigrating to Australia, might help to fund some pension schemes, as would a few Black professionals. Welfare-dependent migration from everywhere is draining public resources by the multi billions, while not contributing much in taxes or other revenue since so much of the work is done under-the-table. And immigrants send billions out of Western countries in remittances—$28 billion every year out of the USA, sent to Mexico by illegal aliens who consume $113 billion yearly in welfare and other public services.

    Are they staffing the nursing homes, changing the bed pans of the aging US population?

    No, they are not, as you know if you have ever processed EBT & cash assistance cases. The illegal alien mommas, getting hundreds in monthly welfare for US-born kids and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash, bring in the SS cards of their kids and proof of traceable income that falls under the income limits for the programs.

    The proof of income for EBT and monthly cash assistance—the 8 required paycheck stubs—is from a husband or a boyfriend in almost every case.

    The womb-productive, welfare-eligible, female illegal aliens are mostly .gov-financed stay-at-home moms, not caregivers for an aging US population, while the welfare-eligible single moms who are US citizens go in and out of temp or part-time jobs, mostly retail, food services and ”voted-best-for-moms” office jobs, like corporate call center jobs and corporate back-office jobs.

    People who say otherwise are being dishonest; it is all on their work-history screens.

    Parents qualify for welfare, in single-breadwinner households, in months when they either have no earned income or little earned income due to working few hours.

    The income limits are very low, providing welfare-eligible womb producers with a financial incentive to work few hours for low pay or to work in temp positions, collecting welfare during non-working months. It provides their employers with a financial incentive to offer mostly jobs that will not cover rent for non-welfare-eligible citizens. .Gov makes up the difference between what living expenses cost and what employers pay their chosen workforce: single mommas and legal / illegal immigrant parents in male-breadwinner households.

    America’s cheapskate part-time / temp employers also hire married moms with spousal income that covers most bills, divorced moms with rent-covering child-support checks, college kids whose parents cover most of their bills and elderly people with SS-financed major bills.

    With or without children, married couples always go over the income limits for welfare when there are two earners per household, as opposed to an illegal alien stay-at-home mom and an illegal alien dad with low, traceable income. With very few exceptions, single, childless, able-bodied citizens (ABAWDs) qualify for nothing but 3 months of EBT-only every three years.

    Since EBT for one person is nothing, a little over $100 per month for 3 months only, most childless citizens never / ever apply, regardless of income. It is not worth the effort, whereas for the womb-prolific households of citizens and noncitizens who “work the system,” EBT alone can be as high as $800 per month, with the average single momma getting $450 per month in just EBT.

    Cash assustsnce is close to the same amount, but is a little harder to get since the income limit is about $50-per-month lower, and the moms must name the fathers of the children so that .gov can try to get the non-custodial fathers to pay the state back. Imagine how successful this process is: chasing down non-welfare-eligible sperm providers, making just as little as the womb producers who are showered with monthly welfare and, on top of the monthly welfare, bigly annual welfare checks up to $6,431 to spend as they please from the progressive tax code.

    Due to withholding, these welfare-consuming womb producers make more than their welfare-ineligible counterparts in adjacent cubicles, including the suckers working far more hours than them, and generating far more sales than them, for less than enough pay to cover the rent for a one-room apartment.

    This welfare-rigged system has driven down wages and hours for millions of non-welfare-eligible citizens, needing for earned-only income to cover all household bills.

    When employers are looking for workers with ”somethin’ comin’ in” from government that enables them to accept inadequate hours and rock-bottom-low pay, hard work has no reward, hence the extremely low laborforce-participation rate in the USA.

    It is not much of a revenue-producing, pension-undergirding system—this womb-privileged spoils system. It does result in a lot of reproduction in some quarters, however.
  4. As usual, iSteve ahead of the curve: genuine News. Global white flight’s gonna be a b*tch.

    I wrote a comment some time back about the French method of handing vibrancy, which is basically Steve’s third bullet point:

    – We’ll send the migrants to the suburbs instead, and keep the downtowns for ourselves.

    It worked for a while, but not so much anymore. Banlieue-stashing is a palliative so long as there are enough banlieues and not too much vibrancy, but when you don’t address the source problem, indeed, when you are blinded by law from even seeing the source problem, you eventually run out of banlieues. And then you face the same problem as before, only now with your cities ringed by hostile and resentful banlieues.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    The problem in France is nasty because, as Christophe Guilluy has pointed out, the principle cities have become centers of elite privilege each surrounded by a donut of ugly housing estates that hold the servant/helot class made up of migrants; very often Muslim.

    Ordinary whites have found themselves priced out of the center of cities yet unable to stomach the alienation and insecurity of living in the increasingly unwelcoming outer city zones. Endless hand-wringing academic and pseudo-journalistic articles have been written about how disadvantaged and cut off from mainstream France the migrants are, yet, as least for now, the migrants at least have a chance to thrive (relative to their home countries) and establish their own half-French - at best - communities.

    The lower and even middle class whites by contrast are increasingly cut-off from the engines of prosperity and becoming desperate. This is the key behind the Yellow Jacket/French deplorables protests. (The threat to raise petrol/gas prices stung because - unlike the city-hugging new migrant class - whites have to drive rather long distances to what work there is.) As Guilley says:

    The globalised metropolises are the new citadels of the 21st century – rich and unequal, where even the former lower-middle class no longer has a place. Instead, large global cities work on a dual dynamic: gentrification and immigration. This is the paradox: the open society results in a world increasingly closed to the majority of working people.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/02/france-is-deeply-fractured-gilets-jeunes-just-a-symptom

    Christopher Caldwell:

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/french-coming-apart-15125.html
    , @Redneck farmer
    It's a bit like here. A lot of liberal Americans won't say it, but if it gets bad enough, they feel the "rednecks" will take care of the violent POC problem. Gut level, the French elite feel a Napoleon will give the "whiff of grape" without declaring himself emporer.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "We’ll send the migrants to the suburbs instead, and keep the downtowns for ourselves."

    Daley started doing this in the early 90's with Chicago.
    , @Hank Yobo
    Do banlieues create banlieuters?
    , @istevefan

    It worked for a while, but not so much anymore. ...you eventually run out of banlieues.
     
    The term you are looking for is carrying capacity.
    , @Crawfurdmuir
    The banlieue phenomenon has existed in South America for decades. There they call them favelas - major cities like Rio de Janeiro or Lima are ringed by shanty-towns inhabited by the very poor, while the central cities are kept in good order and inhabited by the well-to-do. "White flight" to suburbs seems to be historically characteristic in the U.S.
  5. @Maciano
    Steve, I love you, but you don't know Europe.

    Current West-Euro politicians are usually from small cities 100k-500k ppl, grew up in white areas, went to all-white schools, white sports clubs, etc. and never knew much about war exc WWII memories from Hollywood. They experienced nothing but constant economic & tech progress. They often grew up middle class. To them muslims mean nice food and blacks mean happy dancing people.

    White flight and race realism are alien concepts to them.

    But the current generation of youngsters knows better.

    Isn’t that kind of Steve’s point: the current West-Euro pols have reared a monster, and have no clue about the damage it is about to inflict?

    They could read iSteve, get based and head off the problem before it inflicts trillion-euro mega-casualties. Instead they will drink the MSM narcotic and suffer the fate of history’s soft and decadent. Or rather inflict that fate on their countries, before retiring to their villas.

    • Agree: Trevor H., ic1000
    • Replies: @Anon
    Any serious push to remove populations is unavoidable without war, either civil or possibly even regional. Many countries, some with nuclear weapons, will not take kindly to their colonies being removed.

    Perhaps some people can be paid to leave.

    Even putting a moratorium on immigration, which attracts domestic political opposition, also runs the risk of trade sanctions and nationalizations imposed on the West by the Global South. Remittances are an "export", and the Third World has complained for decades on end about First World farm subsidies.

    If a "core Europe" country was moving in the direction of moratorium/repatriation, we can expect the use of extralegal methods to prevent it. We saw an attempt this year by the otherwise powerless globalist Italian President to install his own Prime Minister. If Wilders was in line to be PM in the Netherlands, it wouldn't surprise me if the Monarch attempted a coup via the military.
    , @Thea
    I think that commenters point was that the younger generation no longer believes these things their parents thought. So maybe they will actually do something.

    I’m still not optimistic
  6. Since white flite is bad white behavior, it could be studied. But maybe not too closely, as there will inevitably be uncomfortable questions.

  7. @Anonymous
    'White flight' on an enormous scale definitely occurred in London, England, as early as the 1960s and 70s.

    Think: The Greater London area has an enormous population, being at least 8 millions. Since the 1960s a massive turnover has occurred, the population going from almost 100% white to under 50% white, whist the numbers have remained the same - in other words, 4 million whites simply 'vanished' from London.

    They didn't 'vanish' of course. They simply moved the Hell out.

    Uk cities certainly saw white flight, but the extent to which it was caused by migration it’s debatable. The countryside was considered an aspirational place for several generations up to and including the boomers. Victorian terraces have poor provision for cars, bituminous coal was burned for heating up until the 60s which produced appauling air quality and the silent generation were evacuated as children to nice middle class houses with spare rooms in rural areas during the blitz whuch most of them enjoyed. There were also post war “slum” clearance (urban vandalism) programs which shipped a lot of working class londoners out to (not very nice) sprawling estates in satellite towns.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2, jim jones
    • Replies: @Sean
    Only 63 percent of the population of London was even born in Britain.
    , @Bill B.

    Uk cities certainly saw white flight, but the extent to which it was caused by migration it’s debatable.
     
    Nah. A lot of it was whites fleeing vibrancy. You sound like the BBC's notorious home affairs correspondent Mark Easton who had the chutzpah to celebrate the ethnic cleansing of whites as win-win for all.

    I know several people from Birmingham who moved out because of Pakistanis (mostly) coming in and I've met a lot of Londoners who have moved around and then out. If any of these were filling in a questionnaire they might well say they moved because of work or housing (which might up to a point be true) but certainly privately they talked about how increasingly uncomfortable life had become.

    I recently met, in Vietnam, a black guy from South London who said that working in Asia was a "no brainer" because the friendliness and sense of community he knew as a child in London had evaporated and with so many African gangs around it was increasingly unsafe. (And he is a big guy too.)

    News just in: Europeans did not voluntarily want to live in Rawalpindi.

    http://standpointmag.co.uk/features-july-august-13-the-bbcs-groupthink-on-immigration-stinks-peter-whittle-woolwich-lee-rigby?page=0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C2
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    The vast majority of white flight is post-60s and has nothing to do with air pollution.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21511904

    "Something quite remarkable happened in London in the first decade of the new millennium. The number of white British people in the capital fell by 620,000 - equivalent to the entire population of Glasgow moving out."

    One big and fairly recent change is that posh suburbs within raiding distance of vibrancy are getting a lot less popular*, and every white market town in Southern and Central England is now surrounded by greenfield building sites.

    The Guardin has a 'Let's Move To.." feature. Every week a new Whitopia.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/series/letsmoveto


    * some oddities here - North London suburbs seem to be more dangerous vis a vis home invasion etc than Surrey ones, although the latter aren't a huge drive from South London. There's something about fields and trees that exerts a benign, protective influence.

    (Tyrion2 - I don't see much Afro-Caribbean 'assimilation' in the crime reports in the Evening Standard)

    , @Anonymous
    The biggest danger to Londoners from 1956-1992 came from Russians not Africans.
  8. “Muslims mean nice food. Blacks mean happy dancing people.”

    To a limited degree this may have some truth to it, as long as the percentage they represent in the population is one digit.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
    In my opinion, there are some peoples for which the optimal percentage in your country is zero.
    , @snorlax
    One digit somewhere to the right of the decimal point.
    , @El Dato
    When the nice people meet the happy dancing people, there will be nice happy dead people.
  9. Steve,

    Here’s an article that mentions white flight in London. The site is not paywalled but you may have to register.

    https://unherd.com/2018/12/truth-liberal-london-2/

    Jaypo

  10. • Replies: @Sean
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6HDXcFrsgw

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1064540/migrant-crisis-english-channel-major-incident-sajid-javid


    ‘MAJOR INCIDENT’ declared in English Channel: Migrant crisis out of control, admits Javid
    SAJID Javid has declared the rising number of migrants attempting to cross the English Channel a "major incident" and has asked for an urgent meeting with French ministers.
    By TOM NELLIST
    PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sat, Dec 29, 2018 | UPDATED: 00:08, Sat, Dec 29, 2018
     
    Javid is the Home Secretary, and as such is in charge of the police and border.

    The French hate Britain for Brexit. Facilitating illegal immigration to Britain kills two birds with one stone.
    , @carol
    Looks like they end up with Cabrini-Green there at the end.
  11. Parisian Car-B-Ques, Brixton ’81, etc. – I don’t think Europeans are especially inexperienced with this stuff; they’re just even more stupidly Pollyannish than Americans.

    (Fun fact: Wokepedia has an entry entitled – and about – “Caribbean Jews.” No such entry exists for “Caribbean Muslims,” “Caribbean Christians,” “Caribbean Hindus,” “Caribbean Bhuddists,” “Caribbean Animists,” Caribbean Zoroastrians,” nor “Caribbean Sikhs.”

    I concede one may exist about “Caribbean Taoists” – I gave up before getting to it….)

  12. Look at the bright side – Google will have so many more scientists to choose from whenever someone search for “world’s greatest scientists.”

  13. @Almost Missouri
    As usual, iSteve ahead of the curve: genuine News. Global white flight's gonna be a b*tch.

    I wrote a comment some time back about the French method of handing vibrancy, which is basically Steve's third bullet point:

    - We’ll send the migrants to the suburbs instead, and keep the downtowns for ourselves.
     
    It worked for a while, but not so much anymore. Banlieue-stashing is a palliative so long as there are enough banlieues and not too much vibrancy, but when you don't address the source problem, indeed, when you are blinded by law from even seeing the source problem, you eventually run out of banlieues. And then you face the same problem as before, only now with your cities ringed by hostile and resentful banlieues.

    The problem in France is nasty because, as Christophe Guilluy has pointed out, the principle cities have become centers of elite privilege each surrounded by a donut of ugly housing estates that hold the servant/helot class made up of migrants; very often Muslim.

    Ordinary whites have found themselves priced out of the center of cities yet unable to stomach the alienation and insecurity of living in the increasingly unwelcoming outer city zones. Endless hand-wringing academic and pseudo-journalistic articles have been written about how disadvantaged and cut off from mainstream France the migrants are, yet, as least for now, the migrants at least have a chance to thrive (relative to their home countries) and establish their own half-French – at best – communities.

    The lower and even middle class whites by contrast are increasingly cut-off from the engines of prosperity and becoming desperate. This is the key behind the Yellow Jacket/French deplorables protests. (The threat to raise petrol/gas prices stung because – unlike the city-hugging new migrant class – whites have to drive rather long distances to what work there is.) As Guilley says:

    The globalised metropolises are the new citadels of the 21st century – rich and unequal, where even the former lower-middle class no longer has a place. Instead, large global cities work on a dual dynamic: gentrification and immigration. This is the paradox: the open society results in a world increasingly closed to the majority of working people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/02/france-is-deeply-fractured-gilets-jeunes-just-a-symptom

    Christopher Caldwell:

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/french-coming-apart-15125.html

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Dtbb
    Just filled my car at $1.999/gallon.
    , @Counterinsurgency
    Heh. So the elites are holed up in the inner city, more or less surrounded, but fortified so nobody bad can get in. This looks like a strategic strength that will see them through times of trouble.

    Murphy's law: If you're defenses are so strong that nobody can get in, then _you_ can't get _out_. It's net another a strategic weakness. See Copley's book _Uncivilization_. Also consider the Yellow Vests. The "elite" have impoverished the countryside, surrounded themselves with hostiles in the suburbs, and I suspect that keeping the hostile suburbs quiet is dependent on collecting new taxes form the countryside. Their next move will be to tell the countryside to eat cake and pay taxes, the French version of the US "Shut up and sit down". It's the sort of thing the elites would think the height of cleverness.

    Couldn't happen? Here's a real story.
    A person I knew in the Army went do a downtown bar, drank himself half insensible, and was thrown in the drunk tank. It had one toilet, and he sat down on it and stayed there, being drunk and a bit tired. Several people asked him to get up, and get up he did. According to him, his last memory that night was of himself saying "I can beat any man in this room!!!". He had quite a few bruises when he told the story, so I tend to believe it.
    Do you think the French elites would do better? The US elites don't do better,why should the French?

    Counterinsurgency.
  14. @g2k
    Uk cities certainly saw white flight, but the extent to which it was caused by migration it's debatable. The countryside was considered an aspirational place for several generations up to and including the boomers. Victorian terraces have poor provision for cars, bituminous coal was burned for heating up until the 60s which produced appauling air quality and the silent generation were evacuated as children to nice middle class houses with spare rooms in rural areas during the blitz whuch most of them enjoyed. There were also post war "slum" clearance (urban vandalism) programs which shipped a lot of working class londoners out to (not very nice) sprawling estates in satellite towns.

    Only 63 percent of the population of London was even born in Britain.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "Only 63 percent of the population of London was even born in Britain."
     
    Wow, that many? I thought 63% were foreign-born.
  15. Along with 29-year-old Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, announcing that her Puerto Rican heritage included the heritage of Jews expelled from Spain –

    Israelis and Jewish leaders have begun a bold new approach, with big political implications, given that half of the world’s partial Jews are estimated to be Latino-American, the same group ascendant in USA politics.

    Is a ‘Latino-Jewish’ USA in the works?

    A stunning scientific study in ‘Nature’ – link below – indicates perhaps over 100 million Latin Americans may have some Jewish heritage, their ancestors Jews who departed Spain and Portugal in the era of Jewish expulsions on the Iberian peninsula

    Leading Jews, including Israeli government advisors such as Ashley Perry, have been urging Israel to embrace the partial-Jews of the world, who might not be technically full Jewish but have a Jewish ancestor.

    Perry is excited about the idea of ‘200 million with Jewish roots’. If most of this group starts ‘thinking Jewish’, it will be a formidable increase of Jewish power, with 10x the number of ‘official’ full Jews.

    The idea is that Israel and Jews are much stronger by encouraging part-Jews to mentally link up with Jews and Israel, and take pride in their part-Jewishness.

    The Nature study on Latin American Jewish roots –
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07748-z

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    >>Leading Jews, including Israeli government advisors such as Ashley Perry, have been urging Israel to embrace the partial-Jews of the world, who might not be technically full Jewish but have a Jewish ancestor.

    Perry is excited about the idea of ’200 million with Jewish roots’. If most of this group starts ‘thinking Jewish’, it will be a formidable increase of Jewish power, with 10x the number of ‘official’ full Jews.<<


    Great idea. Brilliant. Jewish power. Only an upside, what could possibly go wrong?

    Hmmm. Maybe, 10 million Puerto Ricans, Hondurans, Dominicans, Venezuelans, Brazilians demanding and exercising Aliyah (the right of return to Israel). There goes the neighborhood. But then, even the most recalcitrant Jew would have to realize that, yes, he is a white man.
    , @JMcG
    Juan Epstein was ahead of his time. All In the Family wasn’t the only show to have its finger on the pulse of America’s future.
    , @Lot
    Pretty meaningless. Jews were once one of the major ethnic groups in Central and Southern Europe. The number of Europeans and Latin American mestizos with 1% or more Jewish ancestry is surely more than 300 million. But... that doesn't matter, because that ancestry is hundreds of years back.

    Here some data on Jewish admixture percentages Snorlax posted from National Geographic.

    6 Polish
    5 German, Iberian (Portuguese/Spanish), Romanian, Russian
    4 Czech, Egyptian, Mexican (Western US)
    3 French, Sardinian
    2 English, Georgian, Greek, Northern Caucasian (Abkhaz/Dagestani), Peruvian (Lima), Tuscan, Western (dot) Indian
    0 (>50% European only) Argentine, Bulgar, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, Greenland Inuit, Irish, Norwegian, Puerto Rican, Scots, Tatar

    https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/
    ---

    These numbers I wouldn't take too seriously, but do convey the general point that minor and distant Jewish ancestry is extremely common among whites, and probably universal for many white ethnic groups that lived alongside large Jewish populations for long periods, in particular Italians, Spanish, Germans, Ukrainians, Greeks and Poles.
    , @TTSSYF
    Geraldo Rivera comes to mind.
  16. Back in the day, only former colonial powers UK and France had access to third world migrants. Spain lost her colonies early and had Dictator Franco in charge.

    From the beginning, the French shielded their tourist trap jewel box cities from ‘urban renewal projects’. While the UK backfiled dying industrial cities with immigrants much the same way the US did.

    2015 Peter Hitchens – New Labour Ruined Britain

    In the UK polite society sometimes discusses why artifacts of indigenous Britons like pubs and such are disappearing:

    ‘People don’t go out’: the town where half the pubs have vanished
    Accrington and its surrounding district have lost 50 of 95 public houses since 2001. But why?
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/dec/01/half-pubs-vanished-people-dont-go-out-hyndburn-lancashire

    Cockney to disappear from London ‘within 30 years’
    https://www.bbc.com/news/10473059

  17. “White flight” is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem. The almost exception of the Tower Hamlets corruption scandal demonstrates this.

    London was emptied in the 60s but this was very much aspirational slum clearance and suburbanisation. On the other hand, when this was discovered to be a mistake, those who had moved in (from abroad) did prove a signficant obstacle to gentrification, and still do, sometimes.

    Large parts of London can only be accurately described as foreign colonies. Anyone who visits them and does not concur is lying. It can be alienating to live in but also gives the resident hipster types a sort of narcisstic high of feeling special. Perhaps like being a colonial administrator in Burma gave Orwell.

    Also, prior to Thatcher allowing the private purchase of your own council home, the lower classes in the UK all seem to have lived in them. There’s still quite a bit of public housing in London but no one living in it seems to be British. Perhaps the social knowledge of how to best game the system has been lost to the Brits and gained by the Somalis et al. The list of names of the people who died in the Grenfell Tower tragedy will provide adequate proof, especially considering the close to prime location.

    This means that working class (native) Brits in London (proper) are very, very rare. Naturally, there are plenty of children of bankers, doctors and teachers affecting working class status but that’s just silly. Normally they’re just SJW types LARPing as the people who they usually decry as ignorant bigots. Bizarre.

    London is also different from the rest of the UK. In ’92 housing was just 4 times incomes, now it is 14.5 times income. This has caused the “inner suburbs” to change radically, a bit like Harlem has, I suspect. This means that what I have written above may not apply so much to the towns that most Brits actually live in. I am under the impression that white flight does occur there but is very localised. Or that’s what a Pakistani friend told me about how his Dad was constantly trying to stay in front of the brown wave, and of course starting it.

    The final thing is that generally migration to the UK has been highly selective. This may not mean that those coming in are hugely achieving but it does mean that the utter dysfunction of the black American ghetto is avoided. There is nowhere in this country like the area just a short walk from the Ritz in New Orleans. Walking around while wearing a bright blue polo shirt and short carrot coloured shorts was interesting. That place could do with a Bolsonaro. Why every corner boy is not subjected to a never-ending regime of stop and searches I do not get. The non-criminal locals scurry around in fear.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Have you ever been to Tottenham?
    , @g2k

    “White flight” is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem. The almost exception of the Tower Hamlets corruption scandal demonstrates this.

     

    I suspect that violent crime was the big difference between UK and us; Every white lower-middle and working class person (and a few asians) I know from Luton wants to leave, I wonder why:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgVW3M0H4yI

    In the late 80s-early 90s there was an absolutely horrific property-crime-wave, but it was evenly spread throughout the country and most of the perps were white.

    Local government is weaker in the UK because it was neutered by Mrs Thatcher after it started pulling this kind of crap (sorry for the number of videos):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COt65HZCJaA

    Pay particular attention from 2:24. The exact same behaviour and ideology as today's sjws, except that the movement never spread beyond inner city local government and didn't metastasise. I suspect it was because the mainstream left were able to start winning elections and purged them as an embarrassment. New-Labour restored some local government power when it looked like they'd have a super-majority for a generation. Incidentally, this was mainly used to make life miserable for car drivers which I suspect finally pushed out the remaining cockneys and lower-middle classes out of London.


    Large parts of London can only be accurately described as foreign colonies. Anyone who visits them and does not concur is lying. It can be alienating to live in but also gives the resident hipster types a sort of narcisstic high of feeling special. Perhaps like being a colonial administrator in Burma gave Orwell.
     
    To some extent, but the strange thing about London is that it gets types of foreigners that simply don't exist in large numbers int the regions and are, with a few exceptions, less of a pita. For instance there are enough Greeks around Staples Corner to sustain an fm radio station, Golders green has Orthodox Jews, Stamford Hill has the ultra-orthodox and areas around Harringey have large numbers of Alevi (non-muslim) Turks.
    , @Simon in London
    There are still substantial numbers of white working class in London - I live opposite a council estate that is majority wwc. BUT there are few white working class children. Their daughters mostly make brown babies with black fathers, and fertility rates are very low compared to the Somalis and south Asians. But my local pub is still full of wwc boozers, and I'm about the closest thing to a hipster. There is a sign at the bar "This is a community pub - mind your language".

    Now many of the wwc may be descended from Irish immigrants rather than native English. The local church is quasi-Catholic.
    , @Ray Huffman
    This means that working class (native) Brits in London (proper) are very, very rare. Naturally, there are plenty of children of bankers, doctors and teachers affecting working class status but that’s just silly. Normally they’re just SJW types LARPing as the people who they usually decry as ignorant bigots. Bizarre.

    On an episode of The Osbournes, Ozzy's daughter said something about "leave it to the British to teach the Americans about class," as if she was working class, despite having been fathered by a millionaire and never having missed a meal in her life. It's similar to zillionth-generation Americans claiming to be Irish--IOW extremely annoying.

    It's also bizarre. But it's more annoying than bizarre.
    , @Almost Missouri
    First,

    “White flight” is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem.
     
    What about when the central government is captured? Would this be an accurate description of the situation since, say, Blair?

    Second, I have no reason disagree with your and Simon in London's picturesque and illuminating assessments. Nevertheless, Europe is a big place and England has always been a sort of exceptional part of it, indeed some would question how "European" England really is. Continental Europe, on the other hand, just got a million or so surplus young African men, largely unemployable, with a higher inclination to violent predation than the passivity-bred natives. By a combination of naiveté and government suppression of honest discussion, the West Euro Continentals seem likely to take in a few million more of the hundreds of millions (maybe billions) who will be on the move in the coming years. Likewise, those so far admitted have been so without any selectivity other than "showed up", and the aforementioned suppression of honest discussion will likely ensure that non-selectivity continues to be the rule.

    Continental Europe, which has for all history been composed of Caucasian people now has significant areas where the fighting age men are as likely to be African as anything else. These areas seem likely to increase.

    Shall this be discussed?

    Is the North American experience of any relevance?

    It would appear that the answers should be "yes" and "yes", but will be "no" and "no".

    , @James N. Kennett

    Large parts of London can only be accurately described as foreign colonies. Anyone who visits them and does not concur is lying.
     
    Agreed.

    Also, prior to Thatcher allowing the private purchase of your own council home, the lower classes in the UK all seem to have lived in them. There’s still quite a bit of public housing in London but no one living in it seems to be British. Perhaps the social knowledge of how to best game the system has been lost to the Brits and gained by the Somalis et al.
     
    50 years ago, the people who lived in council houses were mostly married couples with children, who did not earn enough to buy their own home. However, policy changed in about 1970.

    In response to the 1966 Ken Loach TV film Cathy Come Home about a homeless single mother, one-parent families were moved to the top of the housing list. This policy worked as intended for a decade; but in the 1980s it helped to create an explosion of single motherhood, a huge social change that is part of the "new normal" and displaces low-paid two-parent families from public housing.

    The racial composition of British council estates was changed by Bangladeshi migration in the 1970s, partly as a result of the Bangladeshi War of Independence in 1971. The waiting list for council housing was overwhelmed. Officials decided that the way to handle this problem was to allocate housing on the basis of need. Now, who has the greatest need? A British family with (in the 1970s) 2.4 children, or a Bangladeshi family with 5.6 children?

    Public housing is thus allocated on the basis of Pokemon Victim Points, and the white two-parent family with an income and 1.6 children is not high on the list. A family of my acquaintance was having financial difficulty while living in the private rented sector, and the wife went to the council to ask about housing. She was told that because her husband was working the council could not help her; but if she left her husband she would immediately be housed. Ken Loach's wretched film, and a well-meaning but brain-dead political class, have led us to a dystopia.


    London is also different from the rest of the UK. In ’92 housing was just 4 times incomes, now it is 14.5 times income. This has caused the “inner suburbs” to change radically, a bit like Harlem has, I suspect.
     
    Margaret Thatcher loosened credit controls on mortgage lending, and also changed the law to make private renting feasible (previously, the law made it extremely difficult to evict tenants, or even to increase their rent). The result has been to drive up the cost of housing, both for sale or rent. This has greatly increased the amount of money extracted from the economy through mortgage repayments and rent. People on the political Left are obsessed with the "capitalist mode of production" and do not notice or care about the new extractive elite.

    It is not possible to live decently in London on minimum wage, unless one receives welfare benefits or subsidised public housing. People without these perks who do low-wage jobs end up living in multiple-occupancy dwellings - possibly subdivided, and with many more residents than designed. These are the modern slums. Living there would be highly unattractive to any British person who previously lived in a conventional home with their parents; but it is a step up if your current accommodation is a shack in Lagos or Islamabad. A lower sense of entitlement gives Third-World immigrants a huge comparative advantage at the lower end of the British employment market. Politicians and the media simply do not care - the issue is not even on their radar.


    The final thing is that generally migration to the UK has been highly selective. This may not mean that those coming in are hugely achieving but it does mean that the utter dysfunction of the black American ghetto is avoided.
     
    I'm not so sure about this. It is hard for Europeans to understand the reasons for the burnt-out streets and crack houses of American urban decay, because they are completely outside our experience.
  18. @g2k
    Uk cities certainly saw white flight, but the extent to which it was caused by migration it's debatable. The countryside was considered an aspirational place for several generations up to and including the boomers. Victorian terraces have poor provision for cars, bituminous coal was burned for heating up until the 60s which produced appauling air quality and the silent generation were evacuated as children to nice middle class houses with spare rooms in rural areas during the blitz whuch most of them enjoyed. There were also post war "slum" clearance (urban vandalism) programs which shipped a lot of working class londoners out to (not very nice) sprawling estates in satellite towns.

    Uk cities certainly saw white flight, but the extent to which it was caused by migration it’s debatable.

    Nah. A lot of it was whites fleeing vibrancy. You sound like the BBC’s notorious home affairs correspondent Mark Easton who had the chutzpah to celebrate the ethnic cleansing of whites as win-win for all.

    I know several people from Birmingham who moved out because of Pakistanis (mostly) coming in and I’ve met a lot of Londoners who have moved around and then out. If any of these were filling in a questionnaire they might well say they moved because of work or housing (which might up to a point be true) but certainly privately they talked about how increasingly uncomfortable life had become.

    I recently met, in Vietnam, a black guy from South London who said that working in Asia was a “no brainer” because the friendliness and sense of community he knew as a child in London had evaporated and with so many African gangs around it was increasingly unsafe. (And he is a big guy too.)

    News just in: Europeans did not voluntarily want to live in Rawalpindi.

    http://standpointmag.co.uk/features-july-august-13-the-bbcs-groupthink-on-immigration-stinks-peter-whittle-woolwich-lee-rigby?page=0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C2

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  19. USA people, often think they are the only people owning guns in the world, with ideas that ‘guns are banned in Europe’ etc

    When actually, e.g., there are maybe around 75 to 100 million legal civilian-owned handguns, rifles and shotguns in Europe … There are pistol-shooting clubs in Europe’s capital, Brussels

    Europeans are much more internet-discreet about guns and gold that they own, whereas Yanks talk about these things a lot

    In Europe, there tends to be more bureaucracy around gun purchases, and sadly, ‘concealed carry’ permits are rare and difficult to obtain, but there are boatloads of guns in civilian hands. Some French farmers have arsenals that rural Americans would envy.

    Useful site for worldwide firearms factoids, including estimates of gun ownership and possession by country:
    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/home

    In the USA, it seems that the ‘gun rights’ issue was cleverly used by the oligarchy to help distract USA citizens losing many of their other rights, with the ‘right to concealed carry’ law wave there from the 1990s onwards, whilst the USA in general became a lot more oppressive, mass jailings, police asset seizures, divorce court financial rapes, etc.

    And it is not clear that the psychologically beaten-down USA people would actually be willing to use their guns for revolt

    USA government gun confiscation experiments have been successful in ‘crisis’ episodes, e.g., Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, and that dodgy ‘Boston Marathan’ bombing, uniformed officers went door to door and found citizens meekly turned over their guns

    It will be interesting as Bolsonaro loosens up private gun ownership laws in Brazil, to see if crime is reduced

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There are scads of old guns, legal or otherwise, in French, Italian and Spanish hands, which is why Fiocchi and other Euro ammo makers make long obsolete cartridges in batches. Many go to the US and back to their homelands wrapped in a sock. The French supplied pinfire cartridges until recent memory!
    , @Joe Stalin
    "When actually, e.g., there are maybe around 75 to 100 million legal civilian-owned handguns, rifles and shotguns in Europe …"

    How many of those are actually militarily useful weapons that could useful in militia service? By that I mean magazine fed, semi or full-automatic, military caliber the same as the government OPFOR (5.56mm, 7.62x51, 7.62x39, 9mm Para) and in their homes? And Unregistered?

    How much ammo does the normal gun owner have? How much do governments allow?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC4Gqvd7T1s

    "And it is not clear that the psychologically beaten-down USA people would actually be willing to use their guns for revolt"

    And if the Federal government guesses wrong?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oienvsA3hMs

    "USA government gun confiscation experiments have been successful in ‘crisis’ episodes, e.g., Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, and that dodgy ‘Boston Marathan’ bombing, uniformed officers went door to door and found citizens meekly turned over their guns"

    On the other hand, the City of Chicago declared REGISTERED so-called "Assault Weapons" to be verboten and deregistered them. Note that the anti-gun Cosmopolitans did NOT come and collect them, they merely said that they had to be removed from Chicago. The Democratic Party did not want to have armed confrontations with known armed with AR-15 and AK-47 civilian militia.

    Someone in government must have realized:

    If the Enemy is range, then so are you.
  20. @g2k
    https://youtu.be/nsWcfX6dpQ8


    https://youtu.be/ilypgSE0G-0

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1064540/migrant-crisis-english-channel-major-incident-sajid-javid

    ‘MAJOR INCIDENT’ declared in English Channel: Migrant crisis out of control, admits Javid
    SAJID Javid has declared the rising number of migrants attempting to cross the English Channel a “major incident” and has asked for an urgent meeting with French ministers.
    By TOM NELLIST
    PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sat, Dec 29, 2018 | UPDATED: 00:08, Sat, Dec 29, 2018

    Javid is the Home Secretary, and as such is in charge of the police and border.

    The French hate Britain for Brexit. Facilitating illegal immigration to Britain kills two birds with one stone.

    • Replies: @g2k
    I suspect there maybe something to this, but I suspect that it's just passive; they made extra effort to stop this kind of thing pre-referendum and have reverted to business as usual now. I was in Calais pre- referendum and the intensity of policing had to be seen to be believed. This, of course, was only around the port and highway. The old hoverport and eastern beaches were left completely alone, so it was only a matter of time before this kind of thing happened. Very dangerous though, the channel is not the med.
    , @Autochthon
    The British Home Secretary is now some Asian creature called "Sajid Javid?!"

    https://steemitimages.com/DQmekQ8HwycBwWqB8way8EA3p3HrBZawra5B2NzckyU4e42/image.png

    Could the situation be more cartoonish, especially with a name like that? Did he marry a self-loathing white woman named Amelia Bedelia, by chance?
    , @El Dato

    The French hate Britain for Brexit.
     
    Maybe the disgusting politicians and clownish upper crust do.

    The rest don't care one way or another.

    'MAJOR INCIDENT’ declared in English Channel: Migrant crisis out of control, admits Javid
     
    Yeah, beats shadowing menacing Russian vessels "lurking" in the Channel.

    Unfortunately Britain has put all the money in useless carriers just good to bomb peasants in faraway lands, so where is the money for near-littoral boats going to come from?
    , @Anonymous
    Why would the French be unhappy at Brexit? They never wanted Britain in the EU in the first place. And because of Thatcher's rebate they didn't even get much money out of the Brits. In fact, all the major European states are happy to be rid of the British, which was a constant irritant and obstacle in the path of greater European unity.
  21. Here you go, white flight in London:

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article53301.html

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Interesting, yes a friend of mine move to SE London to raise his family, if you are white English and don't have the money to live in SW London, where he grew up with me but can't afford now, then the SE suburbs is the place for the white English.
  22. According to tino sanandaji, who has written a bestseller in Sweden about the problems caused by non western mass migration to Sweden, swedes start moving once the share of non western people in their neighborhood reaches 4 percent. Funnily enough, people who have moved out of a diverse neighborhood into a significantly less one, are More likely to say, that it is important to live in a diverse neighborhood than the average swede.

    • Replies: @Moses

    Funnily enough, people who have moved out of a diverse neighborhood into a significantly less one, are More likely to say, that it is important to live in a diverse neighborhood than the average swede.
     
    Cognitive dissonance and doublethink. It’s what’s for dinner.

    My father is like this. Moved away from diversity to a wealthy all-White island in Washington state, claims to love diversity.
  23. @Anon
    "Muslims mean nice food. Blacks mean happy dancing people."

    To a limited degree this may have some truth to it, as long as the percentage they represent in the population is one digit.

    In my opinion, there are some peoples for which the optimal percentage in your country is zero.

    • Agree: Bill B., Kylie, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Anon
    If you could handle it as is done in certain Middle Eastern countries where you let in the people for a limited period of time and then kick them out, e.g., the Filipino domestic workers, and you really kick them out, no exceptions, no visa overstayers (i.e., visa overstaying gets you in prision, not deported), then you could maintain order.

    Japan's new bill is supposedly for five year stays, but you can already hear big business moaning, "We trained them and they are just getting to where we are making our money back; let them become permanent residents!"
    , @Reg Cæsar

    In my opinion, there are some peoples for which the optimal percentage in your country is zero.

     

    Our own constitution couldn't block the worst immigrants for the first twenty years. Race perverts at the convention had arranged for that, and wouldn't play ball without it. Worse yet, they got the aliens political representation, albeit only 60%.
  24. @Tyrion 2
    "White flight" is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem. The almost exception of the Tower Hamlets corruption scandal demonstrates this.

    London was emptied in the 60s but this was very much aspirational slum clearance and suburbanisation. On the other hand, when this was discovered to be a mistake, those who had moved in (from abroad) did prove a signficant obstacle to gentrification, and still do, sometimes.

    Large parts of London can only be accurately described as foreign colonies. Anyone who visits them and does not concur is lying. It can be alienating to live in but also gives the resident hipster types a sort of narcisstic high of feeling special. Perhaps like being a colonial administrator in Burma gave Orwell.

    Also, prior to Thatcher allowing the private purchase of your own council home, the lower classes in the UK all seem to have lived in them. There's still quite a bit of public housing in London but no one living in it seems to be British. Perhaps the social knowledge of how to best game the system has been lost to the Brits and gained by the Somalis et al. The list of names of the people who died in the Grenfell Tower tragedy will provide adequate proof, especially considering the close to prime location.

    This means that working class (native) Brits in London (proper) are very, very rare. Naturally, there are plenty of children of bankers, doctors and teachers affecting working class status but that's just silly. Normally they're just SJW types LARPing as the people who they usually decry as ignorant bigots. Bizarre.

    London is also different from the rest of the UK. In '92 housing was just 4 times incomes, now it is 14.5 times income. This has caused the "inner suburbs" to change radically, a bit like Harlem has, I suspect. This means that what I have written above may not apply so much to the towns that most Brits actually live in. I am under the impression that white flight does occur there but is very localised. Or that's what a Pakistani friend told me about how his Dad was constantly trying to stay in front of the brown wave, and of course starting it.

    The final thing is that generally migration to the UK has been highly selective. This may not mean that those coming in are hugely achieving but it does mean that the utter dysfunction of the black American ghetto is avoided. There is nowhere in this country like the area just a short walk from the Ritz in New Orleans. Walking around while wearing a bright blue polo shirt and short carrot coloured shorts was interesting. That place could do with a Bolsonaro. Why every corner boy is not subjected to a never-ending regime of stop and searches I do not get. The non-criminal locals scurry around in fear.

    Have you ever been to Tottenham?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The last time I was in Tottenham, admittedly a long time ago, I was treated to the surreal sight, in a 'normal' everyday Friday afternoon, of a police cordon blocking off the High Street, with a large number of officers, vans, squad cars, dogs etc, on one side of the cordon, and on the other side of the cordon were the local blacks, going about their everyday business - that is a surfeit of Rastafarians and others openly smoking cannabis in the main street with apparent impunity.

    Bizarre.
  25. London (and some other UK cities) saw a lot of white flight in the ‘70s and ‘80s, though as others said partly because of car ownership.

    Various parts of the city had their own ethnic groups: Greeks and Turks to the north, Indians to the west, Jamaicans in a couple of different pockets. Each school had its dominant immigrant group, which wasn’t much fun for boys of non-dominant ethnic groups (including whites). Not sure how it affected girls.

    But London today is more like New York: hundreds of nationalities, with fewer local dominant groups. You’d still avoid sending your kids to a school with a single dominant group; but if your local school is a Star Wars Mos Eisley cantina of multiple nationalities, it’s perfectly fine.

    The other normal reasons for urban flight remain: expensive housing, congestion, etc. But if you can afford London, and you avoid areas with lots of social housing, then like New York, it can be fairly pleasant.

    Sone other UK cities (Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford, Rotherham, etc.) still have concentrations of single ethnic groups, and you wouldn’t want to send your kids to schools in those neighbourhoods.

    • Agree: Simon in London
  26. The BBC aired a controversial documentary on not only the reduction of Cockneys in London not only through immigration but also them actively leaving due to the East End not being their home anymore, leaving to join others who had left to Essex and other places.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/last-whites-of-the-east-end-bbc-documentary-cockney-newham-white-british-minority-a7033556.html

    I am having trouble finding a link online. (It says ‘last whites’, but I don’t think anyone counts EU immigrants, this is about the original English working class from the East End)

    Previously the BBC had claimed ‘white British’ had been leaving London because they’d gone up in the world and obviously what upwardly mobile person wants to live in London? After all, housing conditions had deteriorated and there’s lots more poverty now. Not sure how that suddenly came about…

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-21511904

    There were also studies done in Sweden and Denmark finding a threshold of about %12 foreign children before natives started to pull children out starting a dowward spiral.

    https://www.humanityinaction.org/knowledgebase/142-white-flight-integration-through-segregation-in-danish-metropolitan-public-schools
    http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.1395/white-flight-in-sweden.html

  27. White flight has already started in Australia. Some polly got in trouble for mentioning it. The blacks are a minor cause at this stage though. Even so, you just can’t escape them, we even have them causing trouble in Tasmania. Retail workers know, as they get first exposure. The old days of Viets, Kosovans and Hmongs were much better.

  28. @Almost Missouri
    As usual, iSteve ahead of the curve: genuine News. Global white flight's gonna be a b*tch.

    I wrote a comment some time back about the French method of handing vibrancy, which is basically Steve's third bullet point:

    - We’ll send the migrants to the suburbs instead, and keep the downtowns for ourselves.
     
    It worked for a while, but not so much anymore. Banlieue-stashing is a palliative so long as there are enough banlieues and not too much vibrancy, but when you don't address the source problem, indeed, when you are blinded by law from even seeing the source problem, you eventually run out of banlieues. And then you face the same problem as before, only now with your cities ringed by hostile and resentful banlieues.

    It’s a bit like here. A lot of liberal Americans won’t say it, but if it gets bad enough, they feel the “rednecks” will take care of the violent POC problem. Gut level, the French elite feel a Napoleon will give the “whiff of grape” without declaring himself emporer.

  29. I think this is pretty accurate. Also, European proles are generally less mobile and less able to flee.

    In England whites tend to tolerate black crime, which does not kill large numbers of whites. The rape epidemic is somewhat controlled by cctv. These days whites and blacks tend to live alongside each other and whites regard Christian blacks fairly warmly. It is actually south Asians who create large areas entirely devoid of whites. Even Hindus do this, without showing any great hostility to whited. I thinl the whites see them as much more alien. And Muslims do do some ethnic cleansing of natives and non Muslims.

    Looking at the US, the striking thing is the visceral hatred blacks have for whites, especially in the Northern USA. There is an echo of this in north African Muslim hatred of the natives in eg Sweden, Belgium France etc.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @English Yobbo

    I think this is pretty accurate. Also, European proles are generally less mobile and less able to flee.
     
    Your comment caught my attention as I've recently been listening to David Goodheart's book 'The Road to Somewhere: The New Tribes Shaping British Politics' as I drive around our little island doing my prole job.

    Goodheart writes at one point: 60% of British people still live within 20 miles of where they lived when they were 14.

    However, a quick search gave me this: Over all, the median distance Americans live from their mother is 18 miles, and only 20 percent live more than a couple of hours’ drive from their parents

    Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/24/upshot/24up-family.html

    So I think Americans being more mobile is another one of those myths about the USA that seem to have become folk wisdom.

    , @English Yobbo
    Also:

    In England whites tend to tolerate black crime, which does not kill large numbers of whites.
     
    Yes. This is a very strange thing.

    Although if you've had enough experience of it, then perhaps, like me, you have learnt not to talk about it. Its one thing to have a mutual moan about Muslim rape gangs, terrorists, sharia law and FGM with work colleagues and random people in the pub, but to talk about problems with our black population is reserved for such a select minority that I can't think of anyone I know I can have a relaxed conversation with about it.

    I sometimes wonder if the likes of Tommy Robinson are actually funded by Zionists, as I've seen lefties claim, and that the British MSM gives a certain amount of leeway to highlighting problems with Muslims but not blacks, (and therefore the British overton window hasn't shifted enabling ordinary folk to bitch and moan about it) because Israel isn't surrounded by blacks.
    , @Polymath
    “Looking at the US, the striking thing is the visceral hatred blacks have for whites, especially in the Northern USA. ”

    Yes. This is the PRIMARY race problem in America. Everything else is either trivial, or would go away if this did. The key to understanding this is to note the way that it has increased rather than decreased as the condition of blacks improved—although there are psychological reasons for that, the main driver of it is half a century of media and white Democrats stoking black resentment very purposefully for reasons of their own.
  30. Don’t forget what jackasses lily White areas were to other Whites who were fighting for their lives against “diversity”. Places like Sweden, Minnesota and Vermont loved to lecture the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Moses

    Places like Sweden, Minnesota and Vermont loved to lecture the rest of us.
     
    No worries, the usual suspects are doing their best to shame Vermont Whiteness and bring cultural enrichment to Vermont. State officials are apologizing for "not being diverse enough" and promising to do better. Wait, I thought race didn't matter (or even exist)? It doesn't matter, until our betters say it does.

    And Minnesota is getting the Somali enrichment they voted for, good and hard.
  31. @Anonymous
    'White flight' on an enormous scale definitely occurred in London, England, as early as the 1960s and 70s.

    Think: The Greater London area has an enormous population, being at least 8 millions. Since the 1960s a massive turnover has occurred, the population going from almost 100% white to under 50% white, whist the numbers have remained the same - in other words, 4 million whites simply 'vanished' from London.

    They didn't 'vanish' of course. They simply moved the Hell out.

    While there was lots of white flight from London, the population has also increased greatly.

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on – the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on – the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.
     
    This is true and strikingly different from the States.

    Another, not unrelated difference, is that the black population in the UK is now mostly* from the African upper middle classes and the South Asian Muslim population was often from textile factory worker populations. In the US, selection effects are the other way around.

    The previous Afro-Carribean population was relatively small and is all about assimilated away.
    , @Cowboy Shaw
    Because of the population increase, parts of London, like Hackney, seem to have been gentrifying, white flighting, and blacking up all at the same time. People then stick to their own kind in the same geographical space.
    , @LondonBob
    Harlesden, Tottenham and Peckham are very black. Tottenham had the big race riot in 1985 leading to the murder of PC Keith Blakelock on the Broadwater Farm Estate. These areas had a lot of Irish immigration before and have also experienced other flows of immigrants, such as Eastern Europeans, as the blacks move in.

    It is my impression there is substantial mixture between the Irish and blacks.

    The very rich areas like Kensington and Chelsea remain white but even my once very English suburb in SW London is becoming more diverse. There is flight to the home counties but realistically there is not anywhere to really flee to. People do segregate by neighbourhood and schools, private schools do an excellent job in that regard.

    , @Lot
    "But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas."

    I don't think a single neighborhood in the whole USA meets that description, if "vast homogeneous" means an area with at least 50k and 80%+ South Asian.

    Many fit that description for hispanic and black populations.

    Edison NJ is famously Indian but in the 2010 Census was 28% Indian and 44% white.
    , @Erik Sieven
    I think homogeneous black areas in Europe are unlikely because white European women are very interested in marrying males with Subsaharan African ancestry. So at any place where you have black men are substantial part of the population is white women, plus half-black children
    , @Reg Cæsar

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on – the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.
     
    What's it like on the Old Kent Road today?



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PujhoEHzGc


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohi_8ThTPTg
  32. @Tyrion 2
    "White flight" is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem. The almost exception of the Tower Hamlets corruption scandal demonstrates this.

    London was emptied in the 60s but this was very much aspirational slum clearance and suburbanisation. On the other hand, when this was discovered to be a mistake, those who had moved in (from abroad) did prove a signficant obstacle to gentrification, and still do, sometimes.

    Large parts of London can only be accurately described as foreign colonies. Anyone who visits them and does not concur is lying. It can be alienating to live in but also gives the resident hipster types a sort of narcisstic high of feeling special. Perhaps like being a colonial administrator in Burma gave Orwell.

    Also, prior to Thatcher allowing the private purchase of your own council home, the lower classes in the UK all seem to have lived in them. There's still quite a bit of public housing in London but no one living in it seems to be British. Perhaps the social knowledge of how to best game the system has been lost to the Brits and gained by the Somalis et al. The list of names of the people who died in the Grenfell Tower tragedy will provide adequate proof, especially considering the close to prime location.

    This means that working class (native) Brits in London (proper) are very, very rare. Naturally, there are plenty of children of bankers, doctors and teachers affecting working class status but that's just silly. Normally they're just SJW types LARPing as the people who they usually decry as ignorant bigots. Bizarre.

    London is also different from the rest of the UK. In '92 housing was just 4 times incomes, now it is 14.5 times income. This has caused the "inner suburbs" to change radically, a bit like Harlem has, I suspect. This means that what I have written above may not apply so much to the towns that most Brits actually live in. I am under the impression that white flight does occur there but is very localised. Or that's what a Pakistani friend told me about how his Dad was constantly trying to stay in front of the brown wave, and of course starting it.

    The final thing is that generally migration to the UK has been highly selective. This may not mean that those coming in are hugely achieving but it does mean that the utter dysfunction of the black American ghetto is avoided. There is nowhere in this country like the area just a short walk from the Ritz in New Orleans. Walking around while wearing a bright blue polo shirt and short carrot coloured shorts was interesting. That place could do with a Bolsonaro. Why every corner boy is not subjected to a never-ending regime of stop and searches I do not get. The non-criminal locals scurry around in fear.

    “White flight” is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem. The almost exception of the Tower Hamlets corruption scandal demonstrates this.

    I suspect that violent crime was the big difference between UK and us; Every white lower-middle and working class person (and a few asians) I know from Luton wants to leave, I wonder why:

    In the late 80s-early 90s there was an absolutely horrific property-crime-wave, but it was evenly spread throughout the country and most of the perps were white.

    Local government is weaker in the UK because it was neutered by Mrs Thatcher after it started pulling this kind of crap (sorry for the number of videos):

    Pay particular attention from 2:24. The exact same behaviour and ideology as today’s sjws, except that the movement never spread beyond inner city local government and didn’t metastasise. I suspect it was because the mainstream left were able to start winning elections and purged them as an embarrassment. New-Labour restored some local government power when it looked like they’d have a super-majority for a generation. Incidentally, this was mainly used to make life miserable for car drivers which I suspect finally pushed out the remaining cockneys and lower-middle classes out of London.

    Large parts of London can only be accurately described as foreign colonies. Anyone who visits them and does not concur is lying. It can be alienating to live in but also gives the resident hipster types a sort of narcisstic high of feeling special. Perhaps like being a colonial administrator in Burma gave Orwell.

    To some extent, but the strange thing about London is that it gets types of foreigners that simply don’t exist in large numbers int the regions and are, with a few exceptions, less of a pita. For instance there are enough Greeks around Staples Corner to sustain an fm radio station, Golders green has Orthodox Jews, Stamford Hill has the ultra-orthodox and areas around Harringey have large numbers of Alevi (non-muslim) Turks.

  33. – Unlike us, white Americans are racist, so they deserved whatever it was that happened to them.

    I can’t remember anyone saying that last part*. What I have heard, too many times to count, from Canadians and Europeans is: “White Americans are racist, so we can do better with our Blacks”. It’s almost the exact same story Americans were telling themselves about their Muslims, up until very recently.

    On the topic of White flight in Europe, I did hear Eric Zemmour mention it when discussing the Yellow Vest movement. He pointed out that one reason rising fuel costs matter to the native French protesters is that so many of the inner suburbs are now uninhabitable for them. The suburban public housing units built for them (especially the pieds-noirs) in the 1960’s are now filled with dangerous vibrancy.

    * I think that’s what one kind of White American says about another kind. White Americans (especially Jews) are far nastier to each other than we White foreigners are to you.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Cagey, Canadians are gag worthy. They always point to the cinder in our eye. Canada has some of the worst racial relations between their Indigenous People and the rest of their citizens. They have moved whole tribes from reservations because they didn't have drinking water. Canada, without a history of slavery and no Jim Crow laws, still can't make their black population feel welcome.
    , @J.Ross
    It's implicit though because in their version of reality, blacks do not commit crimes out of poor self-control and academically-encouraged supremacism. They think that black crime is an inescapable and brainless reaction to white evil, like water freezing at the right temperature, so if whites were less evil blacks would commit less crimes.
  34. @Tyrion 2
    "White flight" is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem. The almost exception of the Tower Hamlets corruption scandal demonstrates this.

    London was emptied in the 60s but this was very much aspirational slum clearance and suburbanisation. On the other hand, when this was discovered to be a mistake, those who had moved in (from abroad) did prove a signficant obstacle to gentrification, and still do, sometimes.

    Large parts of London can only be accurately described as foreign colonies. Anyone who visits them and does not concur is lying. It can be alienating to live in but also gives the resident hipster types a sort of narcisstic high of feeling special. Perhaps like being a colonial administrator in Burma gave Orwell.

    Also, prior to Thatcher allowing the private purchase of your own council home, the lower classes in the UK all seem to have lived in them. There's still quite a bit of public housing in London but no one living in it seems to be British. Perhaps the social knowledge of how to best game the system has been lost to the Brits and gained by the Somalis et al. The list of names of the people who died in the Grenfell Tower tragedy will provide adequate proof, especially considering the close to prime location.

    This means that working class (native) Brits in London (proper) are very, very rare. Naturally, there are plenty of children of bankers, doctors and teachers affecting working class status but that's just silly. Normally they're just SJW types LARPing as the people who they usually decry as ignorant bigots. Bizarre.

    London is also different from the rest of the UK. In '92 housing was just 4 times incomes, now it is 14.5 times income. This has caused the "inner suburbs" to change radically, a bit like Harlem has, I suspect. This means that what I have written above may not apply so much to the towns that most Brits actually live in. I am under the impression that white flight does occur there but is very localised. Or that's what a Pakistani friend told me about how his Dad was constantly trying to stay in front of the brown wave, and of course starting it.

    The final thing is that generally migration to the UK has been highly selective. This may not mean that those coming in are hugely achieving but it does mean that the utter dysfunction of the black American ghetto is avoided. There is nowhere in this country like the area just a short walk from the Ritz in New Orleans. Walking around while wearing a bright blue polo shirt and short carrot coloured shorts was interesting. That place could do with a Bolsonaro. Why every corner boy is not subjected to a never-ending regime of stop and searches I do not get. The non-criminal locals scurry around in fear.

    There are still substantial numbers of white working class in London – I live opposite a council estate that is majority wwc. BUT there are few white working class children. Their daughters mostly make brown babies with black fathers, and fertility rates are very low compared to the Somalis and south Asians. But my local pub is still full of wwc boozers, and I’m about the closest thing to a hipster. There is a sign at the bar “This is a community pub – mind your language”.

    Now many of the wwc may be descended from Irish immigrants rather than native English. The local church is quasi-Catholic.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Yes, to what you're saying, especially with the "old" and "Irish" caveats.

    There's a surfeit of Irish pubs with old blokes sat around the bar in diverse and vibrant areas. The most interestingly out of place one that I know of is on a main street in Hackney with a faded red outside that was established in the 90s. It has new hipster bars to the left and immigrant businesses to the right but stumbles on regardless.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Is that race mixing thing real? Never heard of this before.
    , @unpc downunder
    Yes, when I saw all the working class white women in London going around with black guys (circa 1995-2005) I wondered where all the working class white guys were. They probably haven't emigrated as they don't have the job skills to get into Canada or Australia. I'd suspect a lot have moved to other parts of the UK for manual jobs. In the 60s and 70s lots of Celtic whites moved to London, but when the Celtic economies improved in the 90s and 00s they started moving out again. The women may have stayed behind to do low level service jobs.
  35. @Almost Missouri
    As usual, iSteve ahead of the curve: genuine News. Global white flight's gonna be a b*tch.

    I wrote a comment some time back about the French method of handing vibrancy, which is basically Steve's third bullet point:

    - We’ll send the migrants to the suburbs instead, and keep the downtowns for ourselves.
     
    It worked for a while, but not so much anymore. Banlieue-stashing is a palliative so long as there are enough banlieues and not too much vibrancy, but when you don't address the source problem, indeed, when you are blinded by law from even seeing the source problem, you eventually run out of banlieues. And then you face the same problem as before, only now with your cities ringed by hostile and resentful banlieues.

    “We’ll send the migrants to the suburbs instead, and keep the downtowns for ourselves.”

    Daley started doing this in the early 90’s with Chicago.

  36. @Simon in London
    While there was lots of white flight from London, the population has also increased greatly.

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on - the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on – the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.

    This is true and strikingly different from the States.

    Another, not unrelated difference, is that the black population in the UK is now mostly* from the African upper middle classes and the South Asian Muslim population was often from textile factory worker populations. In the US, selection effects are the other way around.

    The previous Afro-Carribean population was relatively small and is all about assimilated away.

    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    The Afro-Carribean population has been sanctified and the Windrush is now like the Mayflower. Future generations of the upper class African carpet baggers causing so much trouble will be falling over themselves to forge a Windrush ancestor from their family tree.
    , @Sean

    Another, not unrelated difference, is that the black population in the UK is now mostly* from the African upper middle classes
     
    It is expensive for Africans to emigrate to Britain. The really poor in Africa cannot afford to emmigrate to Europe without incurring huge debts --yet. The existence of a African Diaspora in Britain greatly decreases the investment necessary to migrate, and the exodus of the middle class makes the country spiral down into a hell hole for the poor. For these reasons immigration of lower and lower class Africans into Britain has an inherent tendency to accelerate, and will assume enormous proportions in the future.
    , @fnn

    Another, not unrelated difference, is that the black population in the UK is now mostly* from the African upper middle classes and the South Asian Muslim population was often from textile factory worker populations. In the US, selection effects are the other way around.

    The previous Afro-Carribean population was relatively small and is all about assimilated away.
     
    Yet blacks still commit the majority of violent crime in London:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#Race_and_crime_in_London

    Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007 an estimated 10.6 percent of London's population of 7,556,900 were black
     

    In June 2010, through a Freedom of Information Act request, The Sunday Telegraph obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.
     
  37. Different nationalities in Europe behave differently when faced with the current Third-World invasion. Italian tough guy Matteo Salvini is saying that deportation for 500,000 illegals is just around the corner. The French recently had a few big riots over higher gas taxes and Androgynous Macron’s brown butt-boys. Meanwhile, Angela Merkel, at the head of what is now a hard Left coalition in Berlin, talks about the virtues of Open Borders. Definitely a mixed bag in Western Europe, where Whitey was once mighty.

  38. @Simon in London
    There are still substantial numbers of white working class in London - I live opposite a council estate that is majority wwc. BUT there are few white working class children. Their daughters mostly make brown babies with black fathers, and fertility rates are very low compared to the Somalis and south Asians. But my local pub is still full of wwc boozers, and I'm about the closest thing to a hipster. There is a sign at the bar "This is a community pub - mind your language".

    Now many of the wwc may be descended from Irish immigrants rather than native English. The local church is quasi-Catholic.

    Yes, to what you’re saying, especially with the “old” and “Irish” caveats.

    There’s a surfeit of Irish pubs with old blokes sat around the bar in diverse and vibrant areas. The most interestingly out of place one that I know of is on a main street in Hackney with a faded red outside that was established in the 90s. It has new hipster bars to the left and immigrant businesses to the right but stumbles on regardless.

    • Agree: Simon in London
    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    There are some amazing old Irish pubs on Seven Sisters road amid the vibrancy. I can scarcely believe the regulars are still alive, they are fused to the bar stools.
    , @TelfoedJohn
    The irish pub must be The Kingsland on Kingsland Road? Next door used to be a pie and mash shop, which is now a Chinese restaurant.

    Speaking of white flight, check out one of the most read stories on the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-46709435

    Animal rights activists clashed with (black) protesters who sacrificed a sheep on the beach in a ritual that protesters said would cleanse the beach of racism.
     
    Soon coming to Malibu?
  39. @Simon in London
    While there was lots of white flight from London, the population has also increased greatly.

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on - the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.

    Because of the population increase, parts of London, like Hackney, seem to have been gentrifying, white flighting, and blacking up all at the same time. People then stick to their own kind in the same geographical space.

  40. @Tyrion 2
    Yes, to what you're saying, especially with the "old" and "Irish" caveats.

    There's a surfeit of Irish pubs with old blokes sat around the bar in diverse and vibrant areas. The most interestingly out of place one that I know of is on a main street in Hackney with a faded red outside that was established in the 90s. It has new hipster bars to the left and immigrant businesses to the right but stumbles on regardless.

    There are some amazing old Irish pubs on Seven Sisters road amid the vibrancy. I can scarcely believe the regulars are still alive, they are fused to the bar stools.

  41. @Tyrion 2

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on – the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.
     
    This is true and strikingly different from the States.

    Another, not unrelated difference, is that the black population in the UK is now mostly* from the African upper middle classes and the South Asian Muslim population was often from textile factory worker populations. In the US, selection effects are the other way around.

    The previous Afro-Carribean population was relatively small and is all about assimilated away.

    The Afro-Carribean population has been sanctified and the Windrush is now like the Mayflower. Future generations of the upper class African carpet baggers causing so much trouble will be falling over themselves to forge a Windrush ancestor from their family tree.

    • LOL: Tyrion 2
  42. White flight is certainly occurring in Australia’s largest cities, particularly Sydney and Melbourne. It appears to have picked up speed over the last decade or so, with massive immigration rapidly changing the demographic character of these cities.

    Australia is a nauseatingly PC place so nobody really wants to talk about the exodus of European Australians from parts of the country’s largest cities unless they have a career death wish. However, occasionally the issue does bubble up in the media. For instance, here is a story published earlier this year in Australia’s national newspaper:

    Demographic shifts driven by Australia’s immigration program threaten to lock Sydney’s western suburbs and parts of Melbourne into a bleak future, as low-income ethnic clusters struggle to cope with congestion and social dislocation, experts warn.

    Large numbers of new arrivals who have difficulty finding work have poured into Sydney’s west, according to census-based research commissioned by The Weekend Australian.

    “Uncompromisingly direct” evidence from the research confirms an exodus of affluent locals from western Sydney is occurring at an equally significant rate.

    … While pressured to apologise for using the term “white flight” — first coined in the US to describe white residents leaving in ­response to inflows of African-Americans — Mr Foley said he was empathising with migrants in the west who were denied jobs and other opportunities that were taken for granted elsewhere.

    … Bob Birrell, head of the Australian Population Research Institute, said evidence proved Mr Foley was right about population movements in the western suburbs, even if his choice of phrase was politically unfortunate. “It’s a real phenomenon,” Dr Birrell said.

    He said cheaper housing was forcing migrants west, and prompting an outflow of residents who no longer recognised their suburb and could afford to move. The only immediate solution to “take the heat” out of ­population stress, he said, was to cut back on overseas migration.

    … Dr Birrell said that, just as ­arriving migrants found their living circumstances difficult, “Anglo” locals experienced strains because sudden high concentrations of newcomers with non-English-speaking backgrounds and different cultures led to noticeable changes in the composition of schools, clubs, civic associations and shopping areas. Residents often no longer recognised their suburb, and felt uncomfortable.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/white-flight-complexity-revealed-in-data/news-story/7a3431ba88289500d90b97462bc69382

  43. Won’t matter because white girls are atttacted to Black Men. The future is black and brown. There will be no whites to run in the future because white men are wimpy while Black Men are desirable.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Pluck you Duck.
    , @Detective Club
    Here's a mating song, just for you, TD!
    https://youtu.be/NrI-UBIB8Jk
    , @Counterinsurgency
    Yep. Combat, Glory, and the Loot of Empire! You appear to be describing the rape part of the Loot.
  44. @Simon in London
    While there was lots of white flight from London, the population has also increased greatly.

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on - the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.

    Harlesden, Tottenham and Peckham are very black. Tottenham had the big race riot in 1985 leading to the murder of PC Keith Blakelock on the Broadwater Farm Estate. These areas had a lot of Irish immigration before and have also experienced other flows of immigrants, such as Eastern Europeans, as the blacks move in.

    It is my impression there is substantial mixture between the Irish and blacks.

    The very rich areas like Kensington and Chelsea remain white but even my once very English suburb in SW London is becoming more diverse. There is flight to the home counties but realistically there is not anywhere to really flee to. People do segregate by neighbourhood and schools, private schools do an excellent job in that regard.

  45. @Simon in London
    I think this is pretty accurate. Also, European proles are generally less mobile and less able to flee.

    In England whites tend to tolerate black crime, which does not kill large numbers of whites. The rape epidemic is somewhat controlled by cctv. These days whites and blacks tend to live alongside each other and whites regard Christian blacks fairly warmly. It is actually south Asians who create large areas entirely devoid of whites. Even Hindus do this, without showing any great hostility to whited. I thinl the whites see them as much more alien. And Muslims do do some ethnic cleansing of natives and non Muslims.

    Looking at the US, the striking thing is the visceral hatred blacks have for whites, especially in the Northern USA. There is an echo of this in north African Muslim hatred of the natives in eg Sweden, Belgium France etc.

    I think this is pretty accurate. Also, European proles are generally less mobile and less able to flee.

    Your comment caught my attention as I’ve recently been listening to David Goodheart’s book ‘The Road to Somewhere: The New Tribes Shaping British Politics’ as I drive around our little island doing my prole job.

    Goodheart writes at one point: 60% of British people still live within 20 miles of where they lived when they were 14.

    However, a quick search gave me this: Over all, the median distance Americans live from their mother is 18 miles, and only 20 percent live more than a couple of hours’ drive from their parents

    Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/24/upshot/24up-family.html

    So I think Americans being more mobile is another one of those myths about the USA that seem to have become folk wisdom.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Smaller families and better communication than the old days. 6 kids, the oldest boy inherits the farm/shop, one daughter marries an oldest son, the rest of the boys and the girls' new families head West. 1 or 2 kids, the odds of finding a decent job locally are better. Also, "move and improve your life" was often based on inaccurate information. The Dust Bowl Okies "knew" there was work in California, from out of date info. Nowadays, a friend can text you that things won't improve if you move to a certain area.
    Another factor is people who move a lot when they're younger, but move back home when they start a family. Or conversely, a parent moves to be closer to the grandchildren.
  46. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    Isn't that kind of Steve's point: the current West-Euro pols have reared a monster, and have no clue about the damage it is about to inflict?

    They could read iSteve, get based and head off the problem before it inflicts trillion-euro mega-casualties. Instead they will drink the MSM narcotic and suffer the fate of history's soft and decadent. Or rather inflict that fate on their countries, before retiring to their villas.

    Any serious push to remove populations is unavoidable without war, either civil or possibly even regional. Many countries, some with nuclear weapons, will not take kindly to their colonies being removed.

    Perhaps some people can be paid to leave.

    Even putting a moratorium on immigration, which attracts domestic political opposition, also runs the risk of trade sanctions and nationalizations imposed on the West by the Global South. Remittances are an “export”, and the Third World has complained for decades on end about First World farm subsidies.

    If a “core Europe” country was moving in the direction of moratorium/repatriation, we can expect the use of extralegal methods to prevent it. We saw an attempt this year by the otherwise powerless globalist Italian President to install his own Prime Minister. If Wilders was in line to be PM in the Netherlands, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Monarch attempted a coup via the military.

    • Replies: @bomag

    Any serious push to remove populations is unavoidable without war
     
    There are counter-examples, starting with this post's white flight from urban America to the suburbs; Christians and Jews have been purged from the Middle East without much pushback; Lebanese civil war excepted; many indigenous peoples have gone quietly.

    Looks like a form of survivor's bias; any extant group will have in its history some martial conflict.
    , @Bill B.

    Even putting a moratorium on immigration, which attracts domestic political opposition, also runs the risk of trade sanctions and nationalizations imposed on the West by the Global South.
     
    If the will is there mass revolts can still work even at this stage: eg what Salvini actually achieves remains to be seen but his actions have been promising and popular. Ditto Trump.

    I see no reason why the West need bow to the demands of the Global South although the Marrakech accord on safe, orderly and regular migration sends an awful signal. A tremendous failure of the EU has been the failure to use what collective power it has to resist silly demands by the global south while at the same time using tariffs to curb their legitimate growth.

    I am watching for the UK's response to India's demand for much easier movement as a price for a loose trade agreement. An absurd demand on its face.
  47. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Has Russian hacking and interference really changed at all since the late 1980s? That’s what I wondered when I was reminded about Clifford Stoll’s 1989 book The Cuckoo’s Egg by a blog post by Ann Althouse.

    Althouse stumbled across a later book by Stoll that was a jeremiad against the internet: We’re losing touch with the outdoors, blah, blah. Althouse ridicules this book, but seems not to know about his first book:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg

    Stoll discovered and tracked down the first known major computer hacker when he was an astronomy post-doc at UC Berkeley Lawrence Laboratory (nuclear weopons development, etc.). It turned out to be a German kid hired by … wait for it … the Russians.

    I read the book at least twice in the 1990s, a day by day recounting of how he very cleverly solved the mystery of what was going on while dealing with a clueless U.S. law enforcement and intelligence apparatus, as well as his roommates, girlfriend, and colleagues at UC Berkeley.

    I recently reread Neuromancer, and am in the process of rereading Snow Crash, so Cuckoo’s Egg may be my next blast from the past 1990s book to read.

    If you have any UNIX or VMS knowledge, he includes enough of that to make it even more interesting, while not alienating the general reader.

    • Replies: @Charlesz Martel
    Hacker friends of mine were arrested by the Feds in the 70's and 80's. Look up Captain Crunch and Cheshire Catalyst. Hacking goes back way before the 90's.
  48. @g2k
    Uk cities certainly saw white flight, but the extent to which it was caused by migration it's debatable. The countryside was considered an aspirational place for several generations up to and including the boomers. Victorian terraces have poor provision for cars, bituminous coal was burned for heating up until the 60s which produced appauling air quality and the silent generation were evacuated as children to nice middle class houses with spare rooms in rural areas during the blitz whuch most of them enjoyed. There were also post war "slum" clearance (urban vandalism) programs which shipped a lot of working class londoners out to (not very nice) sprawling estates in satellite towns.

    The vast majority of white flight is post-60s and has nothing to do with air pollution.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21511904

    “Something quite remarkable happened in London in the first decade of the new millennium. The number of white British people in the capital fell by 620,000 – equivalent to the entire population of Glasgow moving out.”

    One big and fairly recent change is that posh suburbs within raiding distance of vibrancy are getting a lot less popular*, and every white market town in Southern and Central England is now surrounded by greenfield building sites.

    The Guardin has a ‘Let’s Move To..” feature. Every week a new Whitopia.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/series/letsmoveto

    * some oddities here – North London suburbs seem to be more dangerous vis a vis home invasion etc than Surrey ones, although the latter aren’t a huge drive from South London. There’s something about fields and trees that exerts a benign, protective influence.

    (Tyrion2 – I don’t see much Afro-Caribbean ‘assimilation’ in the crime reports in the Evening Standard)

    • Replies: @g2k
    They randomly pick places for that feature, some are in London and some are even more diverse than london. Though their opposition to grammar schools goes out the window in such features and the streets they reccomended their london readers move to are the local millionaires' rows
    https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2008/oct/25/property-homes-bradford
    https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2016/sep/16/lets-move-to-luton-bedfordshire-very-connected
    https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2011/aug/12/lets-move-to-clarendon-park-stoneygate-leicester
  49. @Simon in London
    I think this is pretty accurate. Also, European proles are generally less mobile and less able to flee.

    In England whites tend to tolerate black crime, which does not kill large numbers of whites. The rape epidemic is somewhat controlled by cctv. These days whites and blacks tend to live alongside each other and whites regard Christian blacks fairly warmly. It is actually south Asians who create large areas entirely devoid of whites. Even Hindus do this, without showing any great hostility to whited. I thinl the whites see them as much more alien. And Muslims do do some ethnic cleansing of natives and non Muslims.

    Looking at the US, the striking thing is the visceral hatred blacks have for whites, especially in the Northern USA. There is an echo of this in north African Muslim hatred of the natives in eg Sweden, Belgium France etc.

    Also:

    In England whites tend to tolerate black crime, which does not kill large numbers of whites.

    Yes. This is a very strange thing.

    Although if you’ve had enough experience of it, then perhaps, like me, you have learnt not to talk about it. Its one thing to have a mutual moan about Muslim rape gangs, terrorists, sharia law and FGM with work colleagues and random people in the pub, but to talk about problems with our black population is reserved for such a select minority that I can’t think of anyone I know I can have a relaxed conversation with about it.

    I sometimes wonder if the likes of Tommy Robinson are actually funded by Zionists, as I’ve seen lefties claim, and that the British MSM gives a certain amount of leeway to highlighting problems with Muslims but not blacks, (and therefore the British overton window hasn’t shifted enabling ordinary folk to bitch and moan about it) because Israel isn’t surrounded by blacks.

    • Replies: @Kyle
    All of what you say makes sense. tommy robinson is funded by someone with media influence. Somebody who knows a lot of people in the media. I don't want to be racist or anything, I don't hate jews I tend to love jews. But we all know who has lots of media connections. Tommy Robinson makes headlines way to much, its suspicious. Are we sure that tommy robinson is even his real name, are we sure it isn't Tobias Rosen?
    , @LondonBob
    People used to complain about blacks, but it easier to complain about Muslims. Of course blacks commit a phenomenal amount of crime compared to Muslims, or any other group.
  50. There has been a German diaspora in Hungary for probably around 1000 years, that has waxed and waned. And in modern times, Lake Balaton has served as a popular vacation destination for Germans.

    Merkel’s Massive Migratory Muff has likely accelerated the arrival of German pensioners retiring in Hungary.

    https://www.worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/reverse-migration-germans-move-to-orbans-hungary-to-flee-immigrants

  51. @Tyrion 2

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on – the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.
     
    This is true and strikingly different from the States.

    Another, not unrelated difference, is that the black population in the UK is now mostly* from the African upper middle classes and the South Asian Muslim population was often from textile factory worker populations. In the US, selection effects are the other way around.

    The previous Afro-Carribean population was relatively small and is all about assimilated away.

    Another, not unrelated difference, is that the black population in the UK is now mostly* from the African upper middle classes

    It is expensive for Africans to emigrate to Britain. The really poor in Africa cannot afford to emmigrate to Europe without incurring huge debts –yet. The existence of a African Diaspora in Britain greatly decreases the investment necessary to migrate, and the exodus of the middle class makes the country spiral down into a hell hole for the poor. For these reasons immigration of lower and lower class Africans into Britain has an inherent tendency to accelerate, and will assume enormous proportions in the future.

  52. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    European politicians cannot be totally naive, and part of the cover-up of the devastation of diversity at the same time. Every European cop or journalist knows not to report mass rapes or crimes by migrant populations, and they actively cover them up. From where do they get their marching orders? The politicians, who in turn get their orders from the super-rich via their pet NGOs. The pols know what is coming to some extent. They just feel it is an unstoppable force they should personally profit from.

    Have you ever seen the videos of shithole countries dumping their garbage trucks into their own rivers? Why would they do this to themselves? Because they rationalize that everyone else does it to save/ make money so they want to be sure to get their fair share of all that sweet river trash money. Same attitude with Western European politicians.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, Our neighbors to the north dump billions of gallons of sewage into the ocean via their rivers and Canada is hardly third world.
    , @Mr. Rational
    Shithole countries explained in 11 seconds of video.  On a smaller scale, it explains shithole cities in otherwise-functional countries.
  53. @Almost Missouri
    Isn't that kind of Steve's point: the current West-Euro pols have reared a monster, and have no clue about the damage it is about to inflict?

    They could read iSteve, get based and head off the problem before it inflicts trillion-euro mega-casualties. Instead they will drink the MSM narcotic and suffer the fate of history's soft and decadent. Or rather inflict that fate on their countries, before retiring to their villas.

    I think that commenters point was that the younger generation no longer believes these things their parents thought. So maybe they will actually do something.

    I’m still not optimistic

  54. @Anonymous
    The prevailing (Economist) opinion in Europe is that massive black African immigration is 'good for the economy' or 'will fund pension schemes' and is thus to be encouraged.

    Quietly, for sure (a la George Osborne). We don't want to frighten the peasants, of course.

    This is the same lie that has been told in the States for decades about massive illegal/legal immigration from points south. Not to worry that we have allowed in millions of low education peasants from violent and corrupt countries – they are going to prop up our social welfare system and add to GDP, so really it’s the existing citizens who are getting the better end of the bargain! Let’s not think about the future implications of importing a massive underclass that a) tends not to produce kids who do much better economically than the original immigrants, b) are not particularly interested in education, and c) who vote 2/1 for Democrats and more redistribution of income.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @anonymous
    The model minorities vote Democrat in overwhelming numbers as well.
  55. Here’s a Guardian article on British White flight:

    According to the census, the proportion of London’s population that is white British in fell from 58% to 45% between 2001 and 2011. The share of ethnic minorities reached 40% of the total.

    And that suggests something basic, unfortunate and simple. A significant number of white people just can’t stomach the diversity of cities any longer.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/01/white-flight-diversity-cities

    The writer goes on to mention Eric Kaufman who I guess is the bloke recently wrote a book called Whiteshift: Populism, Immigration, and the Future of White Majorities

    Apparently us natives running away from the cities, is not because we’re racists, we’d just rather be around people who share our culture. Which may have something in it and go someway to explaining why the assimilated sons of West Indian immigrants seem to avoid the criticism that our often not very assimilated Muslim population gets.

  56. Africa has been on the mind of Ross Douthat, so maybe some boob in Europe close to power has come to the same conclusions. Banker whore Macron has touched upon the exploding population growth of some Third World nations, especially African nations.

    Douthat Lays It Out In 2015 About Mass Immigration And Third World Population Growth:

    … That scale could be set by the staggering growth of Africa’s population, and the native European population’s stagnation and decline. Consider how much Latin American immigration has roiled U.S. politics (hello, Mr. Trump), when there are just over 300 million people in the United States and just under 600 million in all the countries to our south — a ratio that’s unlikely to change much over the next few generations.

    Then consider: Today there are 738 million Europeans (500 million of them in the E.U.) and just under 1.2 billion Africans. In 2050, according to the latest U.N. projections, Europe’s population will have dipped to (an aging) 707 million, while Africa’s population will be 2.4 billion. By 2100, there will be 4.4 billion Africans – two of every five human beings overall — and Europe’s population will be just 646 million.

    The Mediterranean is far wider than the Rio Grande, but this is still a wildly unstable demographic equilibrium. What’s more, as Noah Millman pointed out recently in Politico, northward migration – a kind of African “scramble for Europe” – is likely to increase whether African states thrive over this period or collapse. Desperation might drive it, but so might rising expectations, the connections forged by growth and globalization. (Many Africans currently braving the Mediterranean, for instance, seem to be ambitious, educated citizens from countries with growing economies, not just refugees.)

    If Africans were to migrate to Europe at the rate Mexicans have migrated to America since 1970, Millman notes, by 2050 a quarter of Europe’s population would be African-born.

    Tweet from 2015:

  57. @Maciano
    Steve, I love you, but you don't know Europe.

    Current West-Euro politicians are usually from small cities 100k-500k ppl, grew up in white areas, went to all-white schools, white sports clubs, etc. and never knew much about war exc WWII memories from Hollywood. They experienced nothing but constant economic & tech progress. They often grew up middle class. To them muslims mean nice food and blacks mean happy dancing people.

    White flight and race realism are alien concepts to them.

    But the current generation of youngsters knows better.

    The globalizer ruling classes of European nations knows exactly what they are doing by pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration and multicultural mayhem.

    I’ll run with your suggestion that the European ruling classes are sheltered from racial realities and they just don’t comprehend the magnitude of the racial problem caused by mass immigration. If that is the case, then these same bonehead ruling class members will be easy to dislodge from power because they are so stupid.

    I think the ruling class bastards know what the Hell they’re doing. Regardless of whether or not they came from big towns or small cities without much racial strife.

    In the USA, in the last 15 years or so, even the big towns and small cities have been targeted by the evil ruling class of the American Empire for mass immigration and racial replacement.

    Some people with a good political imagination are just now envisioning the time when the US ruling class is toppled and the US military is used to remove the ruling classes from power in European Christian nations.

    France has nukes, so the French military will have to be treated as the ultimate power when it is time to dislodge the French ruling class from power.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    France and the UK may become the next Muslim nuclear powers.
  58. @Simon in London
    While there was lots of white flight from London, the population has also increased greatly.

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on - the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.

    “But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.”

    I don’t think a single neighborhood in the whole USA meets that description, if “vast homogeneous” means an area with at least 50k and 80%+ South Asian.

    Many fit that description for hispanic and black populations.

    Edison NJ is famously Indian but in the 2010 Census was 28% Indian and 44% white.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    South Asians show signs of wanting to gain political power in the U.S., if the half-Hindu Kamala Harris and the crypto-Sikh Nikki Haley tell us anything.
    , @Andrew M
    It might be 28% Indian overall; but very few of those will be aged over 50. So in the working-age cohort (not to mention the school-age cohort) the percentage of south Asians will be much higher.
    , @Simon in London
    By homogenous I meant everyone visible on the street from a few dozen to couple hundred is of the same race. I would not count 80% as homogenous.
    , @Simon in London
    By homogenous I meant everyone visible on the street from a few dozen to couple hundred is of the same race. I would not count 80% as homogenous.
    , @Hrw-500
    We could also mention some cases of "black flight" as well where cities like Compton, California who was majorly black in the early 1990s as depicted in N.W.A. video "Straight out of Compton" had become majorly hispanic.
    , @Anon
    A couple of points -

    1) the 50+ white people who once made Edison what it was are aging out and will soon be dead. Their houses will soon turn over to Indians as they mostly prefer to live amongst their own.

    See these stats for MLK Elementary where 80% of the population is Asian -
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NJ/schools/0450003354/school.aspx

    2) we are being lied to about how many Indians are being allowed into this country. Literally, everywhere I go they go. Airports, amusement parks, etc. are filled with Indians. We were at a popular Orlando amusement park last week and could not believe the number of Indians.
  59. @Simon in London
    I think this is pretty accurate. Also, European proles are generally less mobile and less able to flee.

    In England whites tend to tolerate black crime, which does not kill large numbers of whites. The rape epidemic is somewhat controlled by cctv. These days whites and blacks tend to live alongside each other and whites regard Christian blacks fairly warmly. It is actually south Asians who create large areas entirely devoid of whites. Even Hindus do this, without showing any great hostility to whited. I thinl the whites see them as much more alien. And Muslims do do some ethnic cleansing of natives and non Muslims.

    Looking at the US, the striking thing is the visceral hatred blacks have for whites, especially in the Northern USA. There is an echo of this in north African Muslim hatred of the natives in eg Sweden, Belgium France etc.

    “Looking at the US, the striking thing is the visceral hatred blacks have for whites, especially in the Northern USA. ”

    Yes. This is the PRIMARY race problem in America. Everything else is either trivial, or would go away if this did. The key to understanding this is to note the way that it has increased rather than decreased as the condition of blacks improved—although there are psychological reasons for that, the main driver of it is half a century of media and white Democrats stoking black resentment very purposefully for reasons of their own.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Polymath, you see too many articles pointing out that black males now outlive white males.
  60. There has been a lot of work on White flight in Sweden, and the general conclusion is that it is more extreme here than in the United States. This is pretty obvious just observing the degree of self-segregation in Sweden. Here’s a good article:

    – Yes, we found a “tipping point” of about 3-4 percent, says Emma Neuman, who is a National Economic researcher at the Linnaeus University. When immigrants become so many in a residential area, the native Swedes begin to move from there.

    A study conducted between 1990-2007 shows the same, and what many already knew.

    – The impact was actually stronger in the 1990s, and then the “tipping point” was slightly lower, ie Swedish-born were more likely to move as soon as only a few immigrants moved in, says Emma Neuman. It might be interpreted to mean that many, after all, has become a little more tolerant, but the overall trend seems difficult to curb.

    This does not apply to just any immigrants – immigrants from Europe gives no moving effect, but it is the overseas migrants who have the neighborhood to start moving. Cultures collide quite simply, there’s whole blocks that can be transformed in just a few years, a situation few politicians and journalists need to experience.

    Where the Swedish middle class mothers moves away from multiculturalism – while they say they experience this as enrichment, shows the complexity.

    – Many speak nicely of ethnic diversity as an enriching factor, but when choosing a school for their children or where to move to, the question becomes very concrete, and then one often choose some form of ‘Swedishness,’ says Maja Lily, who is a sociologist at the University of Örebro.

    The dissertation says nothing about the violence, threats, rapes, robberies, etc. which is the main reason why Swedes flee of course.

    http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.1395/white-flight-in-sweden.html

  61. Imagine a remake of On The Beach, where instead of nuclear war, this gang violence has spread throughout the world. The crew of a US Nuclear sub steams around the world listening for FM radio broadcasts that don’t include the telltale genres. Neil Blomkamp directs an Oscar-winning cast.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    In a twist, they end up in Brazil.

    https://twitter.com/jairbolsonaro/status/1079006352503201792?s=21
  62. A comment on something critical that nobody seems to remember: the migration of blacks into more northern locales is only really possible because of vitamin-D enriched foods. Whatever reasons for American blacks migrating from the south to the north, it could not have really worked much earlier. It was technology that allowed that to happen.

    And the mass migration of sub-saharan Africans into Europe and North America also could not be sustained without vitamin-D enriched foods.

    Funny how something so simple, that we take for granted, can have such wide-ranging consequences.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Patricus
    Blacks started moving to Northern cities in World War I when many whites were drafted. Manufacturers needed cheap labor. In WW II there were 16 million in the armed forces and a need for factory labor to build weapons. The decline of every northern city soon followed and then the great white flight.
    , @Pheasant
    It was antibiotics actually. Blacks are by an order of magnitude more likely to get respirtotry infections and before antiobiotics these were *very* serious.

    The main reason that the northern states were able to gradually abolish slavery after the ban on importing slaves was that blacks had an extremely high mortality rate and were not reproducing. There were communities of free/rich blacks in places like Philadelphia but these were generally not self sustaining-they relied on immigration from the south.

    Eventually the problem died a quiet death so to speak and the northern abolitionists could pretend slavery was a southern problem.

    The invention of central heating (eliminating the drafts that so harmed blacks), new treatments for lung issues and the invention of antibiotics meant that the munitions workers who went north (generally the ones with something on the ball) could invited the whole extended black family and well... we all know what happened to Detroit.
    , @Chase
    Nature always wins. What happens when the power goes out? What if it’s january?
  63. @Lot
    "But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas."

    I don't think a single neighborhood in the whole USA meets that description, if "vast homogeneous" means an area with at least 50k and 80%+ South Asian.

    Many fit that description for hispanic and black populations.

    Edison NJ is famously Indian but in the 2010 Census was 28% Indian and 44% white.

    South Asians show signs of wanting to gain political power in the U.S., if the half-Hindu Kamala Harris and the crypto-Sikh Nikki Haley tell us anything.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Advanced, Kamala Harris only wants people to know she is black, you know, like Obama was black.
  64. @Tyrion 2
    "White flight" is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem. The almost exception of the Tower Hamlets corruption scandal demonstrates this.

    London was emptied in the 60s but this was very much aspirational slum clearance and suburbanisation. On the other hand, when this was discovered to be a mistake, those who had moved in (from abroad) did prove a signficant obstacle to gentrification, and still do, sometimes.

    Large parts of London can only be accurately described as foreign colonies. Anyone who visits them and does not concur is lying. It can be alienating to live in but also gives the resident hipster types a sort of narcisstic high of feeling special. Perhaps like being a colonial administrator in Burma gave Orwell.

    Also, prior to Thatcher allowing the private purchase of your own council home, the lower classes in the UK all seem to have lived in them. There's still quite a bit of public housing in London but no one living in it seems to be British. Perhaps the social knowledge of how to best game the system has been lost to the Brits and gained by the Somalis et al. The list of names of the people who died in the Grenfell Tower tragedy will provide adequate proof, especially considering the close to prime location.

    This means that working class (native) Brits in London (proper) are very, very rare. Naturally, there are plenty of children of bankers, doctors and teachers affecting working class status but that's just silly. Normally they're just SJW types LARPing as the people who they usually decry as ignorant bigots. Bizarre.

    London is also different from the rest of the UK. In '92 housing was just 4 times incomes, now it is 14.5 times income. This has caused the "inner suburbs" to change radically, a bit like Harlem has, I suspect. This means that what I have written above may not apply so much to the towns that most Brits actually live in. I am under the impression that white flight does occur there but is very localised. Or that's what a Pakistani friend told me about how his Dad was constantly trying to stay in front of the brown wave, and of course starting it.

    The final thing is that generally migration to the UK has been highly selective. This may not mean that those coming in are hugely achieving but it does mean that the utter dysfunction of the black American ghetto is avoided. There is nowhere in this country like the area just a short walk from the Ritz in New Orleans. Walking around while wearing a bright blue polo shirt and short carrot coloured shorts was interesting. That place could do with a Bolsonaro. Why every corner boy is not subjected to a never-ending regime of stop and searches I do not get. The non-criminal locals scurry around in fear.

    This means that working class (native) Brits in London (proper) are very, very rare. Naturally, there are plenty of children of bankers, doctors and teachers affecting working class status but that’s just silly. Normally they’re just SJW types LARPing as the people who they usually decry as ignorant bigots. Bizarre.

    On an episode of The Osbournes, Ozzy’s daughter said something about “leave it to the British to teach the Americans about class,” as if she was working class, despite having been fathered by a millionaire and never having missed a meal in her life. It’s similar to zillionth-generation Americans claiming to be Irish–IOW extremely annoying.

    It’s also bizarre. But it’s more annoying than bizarre.

    • Replies: @Chase
    My last name came over in 1635, which makes my son a 14th-generation American. Of course most of my other ancestors 13 generations back were living in Europe at the time. Even that many generations isn’t a ton.
  65. @Anonymous
    'White flight' on an enormous scale definitely occurred in London, England, as early as the 1960s and 70s.

    Think: The Greater London area has an enormous population, being at least 8 millions. Since the 1960s a massive turnover has occurred, the population going from almost 100% white to under 50% white, whist the numbers have remained the same - in other words, 4 million whites simply 'vanished' from London.

    They didn't 'vanish' of course. They simply moved the Hell out.

    They didn’t ‘vanish’ of course. They simply moved the Hell out.

    To Australia, Canada, NZ, Spain, etc, etc.

    Where are they going to move to next?

  66. @Arclight
    This is the same lie that has been told in the States for decades about massive illegal/legal immigration from points south. Not to worry that we have allowed in millions of low education peasants from violent and corrupt countries - they are going to prop up our social welfare system and add to GDP, so really it's the existing citizens who are getting the better end of the bargain! Let's not think about the future implications of importing a massive underclass that a) tends not to produce kids who do much better economically than the original immigrants, b) are not particularly interested in education, and c) who vote 2/1 for Democrats and more redistribution of income.

    The model minorities vote Democrat in overwhelming numbers as well.

  67. @Lot
    "But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas."

    I don't think a single neighborhood in the whole USA meets that description, if "vast homogeneous" means an area with at least 50k and 80%+ South Asian.

    Many fit that description for hispanic and black populations.

    Edison NJ is famously Indian but in the 2010 Census was 28% Indian and 44% white.

    It might be 28% Indian overall; but very few of those will be aged over 50. So in the working-age cohort (not to mention the school-age cohort) the percentage of south Asians will be much higher.

  68. How are they getting to Australia? I can see the rickety crap making it across the Med to Europe, but Australia??

  69. @Dave Pinsen
    Imagine a remake of On The Beach, where instead of nuclear war, this gang violence has spread throughout the world. The crew of a US Nuclear sub steams around the world listening for FM radio broadcasts that don’t include the telltale genres. Neil Blomkamp directs an Oscar-winning cast.

    In a twist, they end up in Brazil.

  70. I can’t find much in English on the topic of white flight in Europe. I suspect that lots of European elites think that It Can’t Happen Here because … They don’t really grasp that it ever happened in America. After all, it’s not a subject for respectable discourse in the American press.

    Actually, I grew up hearing and reading about white flight in the popular press quite often. True, it was usually presented in a negative light, as another thing that whites ‘did’ to blacks, as though wanting to have your own home with a big yard in a clean, safe neighborhood made whites a bunch of DoublePlusHitlers. But the phenomenon of white flight was hardly a well-kept secret.

    I stopped hearing about it at some point in the 80s, around the same time the white flight itself came to an end. To the extent that anything has changed since then, the talk has been almost exclusively of gentrification. But that’s mostly for rich people who can afford public schools — or fags who don’t have to worry about them.

  71. @Tyrion 2
    "White flight" is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem. The almost exception of the Tower Hamlets corruption scandal demonstrates this.

    London was emptied in the 60s but this was very much aspirational slum clearance and suburbanisation. On the other hand, when this was discovered to be a mistake, those who had moved in (from abroad) did prove a signficant obstacle to gentrification, and still do, sometimes.

    Large parts of London can only be accurately described as foreign colonies. Anyone who visits them and does not concur is lying. It can be alienating to live in but also gives the resident hipster types a sort of narcisstic high of feeling special. Perhaps like being a colonial administrator in Burma gave Orwell.

    Also, prior to Thatcher allowing the private purchase of your own council home, the lower classes in the UK all seem to have lived in them. There's still quite a bit of public housing in London but no one living in it seems to be British. Perhaps the social knowledge of how to best game the system has been lost to the Brits and gained by the Somalis et al. The list of names of the people who died in the Grenfell Tower tragedy will provide adequate proof, especially considering the close to prime location.

    This means that working class (native) Brits in London (proper) are very, very rare. Naturally, there are plenty of children of bankers, doctors and teachers affecting working class status but that's just silly. Normally they're just SJW types LARPing as the people who they usually decry as ignorant bigots. Bizarre.

    London is also different from the rest of the UK. In '92 housing was just 4 times incomes, now it is 14.5 times income. This has caused the "inner suburbs" to change radically, a bit like Harlem has, I suspect. This means that what I have written above may not apply so much to the towns that most Brits actually live in. I am under the impression that white flight does occur there but is very localised. Or that's what a Pakistani friend told me about how his Dad was constantly trying to stay in front of the brown wave, and of course starting it.

    The final thing is that generally migration to the UK has been highly selective. This may not mean that those coming in are hugely achieving but it does mean that the utter dysfunction of the black American ghetto is avoided. There is nowhere in this country like the area just a short walk from the Ritz in New Orleans. Walking around while wearing a bright blue polo shirt and short carrot coloured shorts was interesting. That place could do with a Bolsonaro. Why every corner boy is not subjected to a never-ending regime of stop and searches I do not get. The non-criminal locals scurry around in fear.

    First,

    “White flight” is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem.

    What about when the central government is captured? Would this be an accurate description of the situation since, say, Blair?

    Second, I have no reason disagree with your and Simon in London‘s picturesque and illuminating assessments. Nevertheless, Europe is a big place and England has always been a sort of exceptional part of it, indeed some would question how “European” England really is. Continental Europe, on the other hand, just got a million or so surplus young African men, largely unemployable, with a higher inclination to violent predation than the passivity-bred natives. By a combination of naiveté and government suppression of honest discussion, the West Euro Continentals seem likely to take in a few million more of the hundreds of millions (maybe billions) who will be on the move in the coming years. Likewise, those so far admitted have been so without any selectivity other than “showed up”, and the aforementioned suppression of honest discussion will likely ensure that non-selectivity continues to be the rule.

    Continental Europe, which has for all history been composed of Caucasian people now has significant areas where the fighting age men are as likely to be African as anything else. These areas seem likely to increase.

    Shall this be discussed?

    Is the North American experience of any relevance?

    It would appear that the answers should be “yes” and “yes”, but will be “no” and “no”.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2

    What about when the central government is captured? Would this be an accurate description of the situation since, say, Blair?
     
    I'd say the government has been captured by a sort of "new man" since Blair but certainly not ethnic minorities as ethnic minorities. Among my mostly native British social circle I'd be considered contrarian far right but I'd say I am roughly in line with a 60s liberal. The government's policies are largely uncontested among most people I know, bar Brexit - which is supposedly just awful.

    And yes, France is very different. Their North African immigrants are particularly antagonistic and violent, for whatever reason. As are Belgium's. The deployment of the military throughout their country was not fake news.

    I also strongly believe that British democracy cannot survive the eclipse of its native demographic majority. Our winner takes all system works fine when the debate is ideological but it cannot survive an ethnically-based competition and the ethnicisation of politics seems probable.

    Furthermore, immigration has opened up British working class labour to international arbitrage, even for service sector jobs, while it has also bid up house prices; thus immiserating huge swathes of our population.

    Nor has it benefited the rich as a whole. Most immigrants are net tax eaters given their average earnings and our progressive tax system, and welfare distribution, nevermind the sunken costs of pre-established capital. The rich may get cheaper coffee service but they pay for it indirectly via higher taxes.

    Supposedly noticing all of the above makes me a terrific racist...
  72. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Have you ever been to Tottenham?

    The last time I was in Tottenham, admittedly a long time ago, I was treated to the surreal sight, in a ‘normal’ everyday Friday afternoon, of a police cordon blocking off the High Street, with a large number of officers, vans, squad cars, dogs etc, on one side of the cordon, and on the other side of the cordon were the local blacks, going about their everyday business – that is a surfeit of Rastafarians and others openly smoking cannabis in the main street with apparent impunity.

    Bizarre.

  73. Some stats from England away from the cities.

    In England and Wales, the “White British” population fell by 1% between the 2001 and 2011 censuses.

    Growth figures for local authorities near me:

    East Northamptonshire 11%

    Harborough 8.2%

    Rutland 6.5%

    South Kesteven 4%

    Corby 4%

    Melton 3.7%

  74. anon[207] • Disclaimer says:

    White flight is happening in all the states that are losing population – CA, IL, NY, CT. Of course it had already happened to big cities like NYC, Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, New Orleans since the 70’s.

    Edison NJ is famously Indian but in the 2010 Census was 28% Indian and 44% white.

    The 2020 census will be vastly different. The Seattle suburbs of Bellevue and Redmond are now minority majority. The foreign born population grew 5 fold in the last 2 decades and 70% are from Asia, mainly China and India. In my neighborhood every time a white family moves out (mostly empty nesters or relocation out of state), a Chinese or Indian family moves in, almost without fail.

    • Replies: @Anna Pavlova
    Yes, this rings true. My hometown (a Seattle suburb) appears to be majority South Asian now, a drastic change since I went to high school there in the late 1990s. Rush hour was unheard of there 20 years ago, but now it is a fixture. High rise condos are going up everywhere. The place is unrecognizable, and noticeably much more crowded. When going out shopping, you often find you're the only non South Asian at a store, for instance.
  75. @g2k
    https://youtu.be/nsWcfX6dpQ8


    https://youtu.be/ilypgSE0G-0

    Looks like they end up with Cabrini-Green there at the end.

  76. anon[207] • Disclaimer says:

    I would say whites need to relocate to states like WY and WV and make them great again. Unfortunately majority of whites who relocate from high cost coastal areas to inland are die hard Demotards and take their voting habits with them.

    The Seattle Times had an article not too long ago by some indignant columnist who said after decades of living in Seattle he had finally had it, he was moving east, across Lake Washington, to conservative Snohomish county, because he was upset that when he went to complain to the city council rep. in his district about the homeless littering and shitting in his front yard, she dared accuse him, the grandson of a holocaust survivor, of being a “Nazi”.

    Lots of people commented on that article that he’ll just bring his toxic politics to Snohomish and turn it into another libtard zone like Seattle, like when Californians moved to Seattle, Denver and Portland to escape high taxes — they turned these places blue, now they are infecting Idaho. Even within the same state, the migration of the libtard tribe is the main reason why so many suburbs turned blue in 2018 — (((whites))), single women, blacks, latinos, gays are moving to the suburbs in record numbers, displaced by homeless and “gentrification”.

    “White flight” is not always a blessing to their new communities. Sometimes it could be a downright curse.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    Yep, population flight from cities, no matter the ethnic group, is a major destabilizer. The country and town people can see the future, and as things are it dosen't include them.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @Moses

    when he went to complain to the city council rep. in his district about the homeless littering and shitting in his front yard, she dared accuse him, the grandson of a holocaust survivor, of being a “Nazi”.
     
    Right. And if he weren't "the grandson of a holocaust survivor" he'd definitely be a Nazi. All Wypipo are Nazis at heart. Or Cossacks. Or whatever, they're bad.
  77. Plaques for Blacks in Canada:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/viola-desmond-banknote-cmhr-1.4906730

    By the way, this article doesn’t mention how the old face that Desmond replaced on the $10 bill was Sir John A. MacDonald, Canada’s first Prime Minister and one of the Fathers of Confederation.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
    Probably most Canadians wouldn't even know who Sir JAM was anyway. Just all part of the new "Endarkenment" of public policy, education, and history.
  78. @Anonymous
    The prevailing (Economist) opinion in Europe is that massive black African immigration is 'good for the economy' or 'will fund pension schemes' and is thus to be encouraged.

    Quietly, for sure (a la George Osborne). We don't want to frighten the peasants, of course.

    Mass migration of Africans is not going to happen due to the response of the electorate to the recent surge. Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.

    • Replies: @indocon
    Agree, I see immigration as a central topic in every European election going forward, until walls come up around Mediterranean, whether virtual or real. Economic growth from productivity has secularly slowed down, there really has not been any path breaking invention into the cell phone, that means any GDP growth comes from adding people, which is where that evil concept of bell curve kicks in. You just can't add Africans and Arabs and expect the GDP growth to be like adding Swedes and Danish people. This all means continued sluggish economy coupled with increasing hordes of relatively unproductive people, which in turn means immigration will be a central topic in every election.

    Unless the European elites are able to engineer a coup of some kind or the European people are truly so screwed up that they intentionally want to put the axe on their feet, I don't buy this notion of millions of more people coming from Africa to Europe. BTW, I put >0% of second factor above being true.
    , @TBA

    Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.
     
    I don't know about other countries, but in Sweden it could well happen. Of the eight parties in parliament only one (the Sweden Democrats) is against mass immigration - and is therefore regarded as beyond the pale, even "fascist". We're an authoritarian people: what our betters tell us is regarded as self-evident truth (or at least you must pretend it is). The Sweden Democrats aren't likely ever to get a majority of the votes, and the other parties might pull a Merkle just to show how good they are.
    , @Anonymous
    Don't kid yourself.

    Frau Frump herself stated, in 2010 mind you, that 'multiculturalism has failed'.

    Five years later she personally invited in the biggest, fastest multicultural immigration in world history.

    Government by Economist Magazine is the name of the game.
    , @German_reader
    Totally wishful thinking. In fact Merkel's CDU and her coalition partner SPD weren't punished enough at the German elections in 2017, and felt emboldened enough in their open borders agenda to push through the UN global compact for migration (which is designed to increase migration massively). The nationalist opposition AfD seems stuck at about 15% in the polls, while the open borders Greens have achieved new heights and might conceivably even become the dominant party in a Greens-CDU coalition in the 2020s.
    Optimism that the electorate has come to its senses is misplaced.
    , @J.Ross
    I agree with part of that: few politicians will be stupid enough to own the crisis so clearly. But a PR stunt, even a self-wounding one, is not policy, I have seen no reason to believe anything is really changing (outside of V4 and the People of Heroes under fearless Salvini), and, if it did it, would still take time to get the word to darkest Kingsland. There are still quangos doing all the actual work for the migrants. And as necessary as it is to close borders, the real task there and here is to send people home. Stopping new illegal imigration but allowing births and family reunions would be pointless.
    , @anon

    Mass migration of Africans is not going to happen due to the response of the electorate to the recent surge. Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.
     
    Trouble is, they aren't waiting for an invitation. This is an outright invasion, because they know the European governments will never deport them en masse. Europeans have become too weak and pacifist, a continent full of girly men. It's time to disband NATO and give Western Europe their own arm forces, they need their mojo back.
  79. @Almost Missouri
    First,

    “White flight” is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem.
     
    What about when the central government is captured? Would this be an accurate description of the situation since, say, Blair?

    Second, I have no reason disagree with your and Simon in London's picturesque and illuminating assessments. Nevertheless, Europe is a big place and England has always been a sort of exceptional part of it, indeed some would question how "European" England really is. Continental Europe, on the other hand, just got a million or so surplus young African men, largely unemployable, with a higher inclination to violent predation than the passivity-bred natives. By a combination of naiveté and government suppression of honest discussion, the West Euro Continentals seem likely to take in a few million more of the hundreds of millions (maybe billions) who will be on the move in the coming years. Likewise, those so far admitted have been so without any selectivity other than "showed up", and the aforementioned suppression of honest discussion will likely ensure that non-selectivity continues to be the rule.

    Continental Europe, which has for all history been composed of Caucasian people now has significant areas where the fighting age men are as likely to be African as anything else. These areas seem likely to increase.

    Shall this be discussed?

    Is the North American experience of any relevance?

    It would appear that the answers should be "yes" and "yes", but will be "no" and "no".

    What about when the central government is captured? Would this be an accurate description of the situation since, say, Blair?

    I’d say the government has been captured by a sort of “new man” since Blair but certainly not ethnic minorities as ethnic minorities. Among my mostly native British social circle I’d be considered contrarian far right but I’d say I am roughly in line with a 60s liberal. The government’s policies are largely uncontested among most people I know, bar Brexit – which is supposedly just awful.

    And yes, France is very different. Their North African immigrants are particularly antagonistic and violent, for whatever reason. As are Belgium’s. The deployment of the military throughout their country was not fake news.

    I also strongly believe that British democracy cannot survive the eclipse of its native demographic majority. Our winner takes all system works fine when the debate is ideological but it cannot survive an ethnically-based competition and the ethnicisation of politics seems probable.

    Furthermore, immigration has opened up British working class labour to international arbitrage, even for service sector jobs, while it has also bid up house prices; thus immiserating huge swathes of our population.

    Nor has it benefited the rich as a whole. Most immigrants are net tax eaters given their average earnings and our progressive tax system, and welfare distribution, nevermind the sunken costs of pre-established capital. The rich may get cheaper coffee service but they pay for it indirectly via higher taxes.

    Supposedly noticing all of the above makes me a terrific racist…

    • Replies: @g2k
    One thing I'd add to that is the situation with traffic/transportation costs and speed. It's quite minor compared to wages and housing, but it's got significantly and noticeably worse over the last 20 years to drive and/or take a train around the uk and this affects the rich as much as everyone else (a gridlocked Ferrari isn't going anywhere fast). A lot of this is due to uneven economic growth but population growth also plays a part.
    , @Almost Missouri

    I’d say the government has been captured by a sort of “new man” since Blair but certainly not ethnic minorities as ethnic minorities.
     
    I can't help noticing that British administrations—or whatever you call them over there—since Blair (i.e., through Brown and Cameron) have been extremely top-heavy with Scots. This was even an amusing leitmotif in the otherwise overrated 2009 film In the Loop.

    Like almost everyone else, I like the Scots, and I don't think they were trying to take over England as such, but the Scots often do have an ingrained contempt for and insouciance about the welfare of the native English, which became evident in central government policy in this period. That this contempt neatly dovetailed with the objectives of wealthy globalists and the idiocies of Current Year fashions compounded the damage.


    Supposedly noticing all of the above makes me a terrific racist…
     
    So the matter won't be discussed and the North American Experience won't be considered...
    , @Pheasant
    'I also strongly believe that British democracy cannot survive the eclipse of its native demographic majority. Our winner takes all system works fine when the debate is ideological but it cannot survive an ethnically-based competition and the ethnicisation of politics seems probable.'

    Oh Tyrion you just havn't the slightest bit of self-awareness have you?
  80. I think Steve’s point was more whether Europeans even talk about white flight than whether Europe actually has had it (or will have it). To judge from the comments already posted, I’d say the answers to those questions are no and yes respectively. I was going to suggest that when you wonder if a familiar (or all-too-familiar) concept exists in other cultures, try the following: look it up on English Wikipedia, then look under the Languages column. I must admit, however, that the presence of a link to, say, Farsi, or Russian – which “White Flight” does show – does not necessarily mean Persians or Russians are really worried about this. (And if they are, so what?) It may show only that Wikipedia attracts a lot of people with time on their hands. Some time ago I posted elsewhere a piece titled “Islamic Vacation Getaways,” behind a paywall luckily for you, in which I examined the Turkish Wikipedia articles for Balkan-peninsula cities, places I knew Turks do go through if traveling overland between Turkey and Europe. Long ago I’d read a story of Turks complaining of Yugoslavs’ gypping them at gas stations. I found it notable that Zagreb and Belgrade got the biggest and most enthusiastic writeups; Ljubljana and Sofiya were of minor interest; but these articles were mostly done by a multilingual Turk who pretty much just translated the English-language ones. I could not infer great pan-Anatolian fascination with the subject.

    Back to “White Flight,” I do think it slightly significant that there are no Portuguese or Slovene links. Although comments posted to news sites in these languages can be marvelously candid, it is generally the case that full-time writers in Portugal and Slovenia badly want to look and sound oh-so-European, and if they are quiet on a subject, that is intentional. (I can’t prove this, but it does strike me from grammar and usage that Portuguese Wikipedia gets a disproportionate number of contributions from Portuguese, not Brazilians. I did once question, on a talk tab, a certain item, and in minutes I got an appreciative answer from an editor in Portugal. It was about that country’s one Nobel Prizewinner, who had been rewarded for advances in lobotomies; the article said the Senegalese prime minister had praised him for his work on Gypsies; I had noted that at the time, Senegal did not have a prime minister.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ...look it up on English Wikipedia, then look under the Languages column.

     

    First thing to come to my mind, too. I've been doing this for city renamings. The Scandinavian languages have long used native names (eg, "Moskva"), but it's become quite the fad in English ("Mumbai", "Beijing","Yangon"). Other European languages stick to the tried-and-true ("Turijn","Mailand".) The Turinese wanted us to call their city "Torino" for the Olympics. But that would have been free advertising for used Ford dealers.

    Anyway, here's French:


    White Flight (en français, la fuite des blancs)

    En France

    En France, les quartiers à forte concentration allogène étant traditionnellement situés hors des centres historiques ou dans des zonages urbains bien définis, le phénomène semble avoir épargné le centre des grandes agglomérations. Exception notable cependant : les centres-villes historiques de villes du sud de la France, y compris de villes qualifiées de moyenne ou de grande. Lorsqu'il n'y a pas eu remplacement de population à cause du déclin général, les maisons abandonnées par les populations originelles sont restées en friche. Castelnaudary, où le nombre de maisons abandonnées dans le centre-ville historique, dans la ville haute, est assez important, illustre cette fuite, motivée notamment par le mauvais état des logements anciens, la promiscuité et, à certains endroits, par le manque d'ensoleillement.

    Toutefois on peut dresser un parallèle avec la France périphérique : pour certaines grandes villes, notamment Paris et sa petite couronne, les populations modestes blanches sont parties s'installer en lointaine banlieue voire dans la campagne, alimentant le phénomène de périurbanisation, tandis qu'elles ont été remplacées par des populations précaires d'origine immigrée ou par des populations plus riches. Parfois - c'est le cas notamment du quartier parisien de Belleville2 ou encore de celui de Barbès3 - la population d'origine, des classes moyennes blanches, est d'abord remplacée par des populations précaires d'origine immigrée, qui sont ensuite chassées vers la banlieue par la hausse des prix engendrée par la gentrification.

    En France, en dépit des difficultés liées à de telles études dues au fait que les données sur l’ascendance (pays et nationalité de naissance des parents) ne sont collectées que dans les grandes enquêtes de l’Insee et ce uniquement depuis une dizaine d’années et non dans les recensements, on observe une augmentation des concentrations ethniques depuis la fin des années 1960. Alors que la « proportion de jeunes d’origine étrangère est restée relativement stable, en moyenne, dans les communes de moins de 10 000 habitants, elle s’est considérablement accrue dans les communes d’au moins 30 000 habitants où elle approche ou dépasse 35 %, en moyenne, en 2011. »4 Elle est loin de ne toucher que les plus grandes métropoles. Ainsi, la ville de Blois, voit sa proportion de jeunes d’origine étrangère passer de 5 % en 1968 à 40 % en 20114.

    À l'intérieur d'une même ville, la ségrégation peut être plus ou moins marquée selon les quartiers où les populations d’origine étrangère sont anormalement concentrées ou non dans certains quartiers. À Mantes-la-Jolie, la proportion de jeunes d’origine non européenne est de 61 % mais dépasse 85 % dans certains iris (unité territoriale de base du recensement) mais reste inférieure ou égale à 30 % dans d’autres4. La commune de Clichy-sous-Bois, est celle où la concentration ethnique est la plus élevée4.

    Au Royaume-Uni

    Le phénomène a été également bien étudié au Royaume-Uni. Pour la démographe Michèle Tribalat, l'une des explications est que « les processus de concentration et de ségrégation sont très anxiogènes pour les autochtones lorsqu’ils deviennent minoritaires et voient se transformer leur environnement. »4. En 2016, à Blackburn a des quartiers 95 % dont des habitants sont originaires de minorités ethniques. À Slough, la population « blanche » est passée de 58,3 % en 2001 à 34,5 % en 2011. Dans le quartier de Savile Town de Dewsbury, le dernier recensement a dénombré que seules 48 des 4 033 personnes vivant dans la commune étaient des Blancs britanniques5. Plus généralement si ont observe la capitale Londres, les blancs britanniques de souche représentait 58 % de la population au début des années 2000, ils représentent 43% en 2011.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Flight#En_France
     

    My French is rusty*, and I wouldn't trust Google (their translating skills get better, but their politics get worse). So if someone more fluent wants to translate or summarize that, please have at it.

    * Eg, "la promiscuité"? Is that a false friend, or are they really modern-day Lots?

    , @Lot
    Wikipedia articles per capita is a good proxy for general level of civilization. I love how so many villages in Western Europe with under 500 residents have big detailed articles.
  81. @Lot
    "But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas."

    I don't think a single neighborhood in the whole USA meets that description, if "vast homogeneous" means an area with at least 50k and 80%+ South Asian.

    Many fit that description for hispanic and black populations.

    Edison NJ is famously Indian but in the 2010 Census was 28% Indian and 44% white.

    By homogenous I meant everyone visible on the street from a few dozen to couple hundred is of the same race. I would not count 80% as homogenous.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    I walked down a street in Wembley and out if several hundred people I was the only non Asian, very unsettling.
  82. @Lot
    "But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas."

    I don't think a single neighborhood in the whole USA meets that description, if "vast homogeneous" means an area with at least 50k and 80%+ South Asian.

    Many fit that description for hispanic and black populations.

    Edison NJ is famously Indian but in the 2010 Census was 28% Indian and 44% white.

    By homogenous I meant everyone visible on the street from a few dozen to couple hundred is of the same race. I would not count 80% as homogenous.

  83. @Tyrion 2

    What about when the central government is captured? Would this be an accurate description of the situation since, say, Blair?
     
    I'd say the government has been captured by a sort of "new man" since Blair but certainly not ethnic minorities as ethnic minorities. Among my mostly native British social circle I'd be considered contrarian far right but I'd say I am roughly in line with a 60s liberal. The government's policies are largely uncontested among most people I know, bar Brexit - which is supposedly just awful.

    And yes, France is very different. Their North African immigrants are particularly antagonistic and violent, for whatever reason. As are Belgium's. The deployment of the military throughout their country was not fake news.

    I also strongly believe that British democracy cannot survive the eclipse of its native demographic majority. Our winner takes all system works fine when the debate is ideological but it cannot survive an ethnically-based competition and the ethnicisation of politics seems probable.

    Furthermore, immigration has opened up British working class labour to international arbitrage, even for service sector jobs, while it has also bid up house prices; thus immiserating huge swathes of our population.

    Nor has it benefited the rich as a whole. Most immigrants are net tax eaters given their average earnings and our progressive tax system, and welfare distribution, nevermind the sunken costs of pre-established capital. The rich may get cheaper coffee service but they pay for it indirectly via higher taxes.

    Supposedly noticing all of the above makes me a terrific racist...

    One thing I’d add to that is the situation with traffic/transportation costs and speed. It’s quite minor compared to wages and housing, but it’s got significantly and noticeably worse over the last 20 years to drive and/or take a train around the uk and this affects the rich as much as everyone else (a gridlocked Ferrari isn’t going anywhere fast). A lot of this is due to uneven economic growth but population growth also plays a part.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    London now has the second worst traffic in Europe, after Moscow.
  84. @Tyrion 2

    What about when the central government is captured? Would this be an accurate description of the situation since, say, Blair?
     
    I'd say the government has been captured by a sort of "new man" since Blair but certainly not ethnic minorities as ethnic minorities. Among my mostly native British social circle I'd be considered contrarian far right but I'd say I am roughly in line with a 60s liberal. The government's policies are largely uncontested among most people I know, bar Brexit - which is supposedly just awful.

    And yes, France is very different. Their North African immigrants are particularly antagonistic and violent, for whatever reason. As are Belgium's. The deployment of the military throughout their country was not fake news.

    I also strongly believe that British democracy cannot survive the eclipse of its native demographic majority. Our winner takes all system works fine when the debate is ideological but it cannot survive an ethnically-based competition and the ethnicisation of politics seems probable.

    Furthermore, immigration has opened up British working class labour to international arbitrage, even for service sector jobs, while it has also bid up house prices; thus immiserating huge swathes of our population.

    Nor has it benefited the rich as a whole. Most immigrants are net tax eaters given their average earnings and our progressive tax system, and welfare distribution, nevermind the sunken costs of pre-established capital. The rich may get cheaper coffee service but they pay for it indirectly via higher taxes.

    Supposedly noticing all of the above makes me a terrific racist...

    I’d say the government has been captured by a sort of “new man” since Blair but certainly not ethnic minorities as ethnic minorities.

    I can’t help noticing that British administrations—or whatever you call them over there—since Blair (i.e., through Brown and Cameron) have been extremely top-heavy with Scots. This was even an amusing leitmotif in the otherwise overrated 2009 film In the Loop.

    Like almost everyone else, I like the Scots, and I don’t think they were trying to take over England as such, but the Scots often do have an ingrained contempt for and insouciance about the welfare of the native English, which became evident in central government policy in this period. That this contempt neatly dovetailed with the objectives of wealthy globalists and the idiocies of Current Year fashions compounded the damage.

    Supposedly noticing all of the above makes me a terrific racist…

    So the matter won’t be discussed and the North American Experience won’t be considered…

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    There's bee a lot of Scots but I wouldn't say they were particularly Scottish. Both Cameron and Blair were more Scottish by surname than anything else.

    As for if Europe will learn from America, probably not. We might learn from France though.
    , @Anonymous
    The great thing about the 2015 UK General Election was the utter repudiation of the Labour Party by the Scottish electorate.

    The Labour Party took the Scots voters for fools - and the Scots knew it.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Scottish MPs like to fret over the dreadful racism of the English. But Glasgow and Edinburgh are still Scottish cities - London and Birmingham aren't English any more (except for Olympic Games or Royal events).

    It would be interesting to see a Scotland where the younger generation were 30% minority, as they are in England and Wales. I may well live to see that, as I can't see Scotland surviving the deluge if England can't.

    I think Tyrion, Simon and g2k have survivorship bias regarding white attitudes to minorities in London. All the people who couldn't tolerate it and had the money have already voted with their feet. Half the newcomers in my village are from London (and they're pricing out the locals). Naturally if you ask, they've moved for "better schools" and "the lifestyle".

  85. @Ed
    Mass migration of Africans is not going to happen due to the response of the electorate to the recent surge. Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.

    Agree, I see immigration as a central topic in every European election going forward, until walls come up around Mediterranean, whether virtual or real. Economic growth from productivity has secularly slowed down, there really has not been any path breaking invention into the cell phone, that means any GDP growth comes from adding people, which is where that evil concept of bell curve kicks in. You just can’t add Africans and Arabs and expect the GDP growth to be like adding Swedes and Danish people. This all means continued sluggish economy coupled with increasing hordes of relatively unproductive people, which in turn means immigration will be a central topic in every election.

    Unless the European elites are able to engineer a coup of some kind or the European people are truly so screwed up that they intentionally want to put the axe on their feet, I don’t buy this notion of millions of more people coming from Africa to Europe. BTW, I put >0% of second factor above being true.

  86. @Lot
    "But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas."

    I don't think a single neighborhood in the whole USA meets that description, if "vast homogeneous" means an area with at least 50k and 80%+ South Asian.

    Many fit that description for hispanic and black populations.

    Edison NJ is famously Indian but in the 2010 Census was 28% Indian and 44% white.

    We could also mention some cases of “black flight” as well where cities like Compton, California who was majorly black in the early 1990s as depicted in N.W.A. video “Straight out of Compton” had become majorly hispanic.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Yeah, for some reason blacks moved out as Hispanics moved in.
    [truly multi-cultural laughter intensifies]
  87. Our trip to Australia this summer was centered around my spouse’s professional conference, so we really couldn’t go everywhere we wanted, but I was surprised to see so many non-white faces in Cairnes and the Gold Coast. I’m sure that some of those folks were tourists, though (predominantly Asian.) It wasn’t until our last day there that I saw what appeared to be massive white neighborhoods as we drove from the Gold Coast through Brisbane on the shuttle bus that was taking us to the airport. I thought, yeah, I could live here.

  88. As Western Europe goes up in flames, Eastern Europe will start to look increasingly attractive to beleaguered whites.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Eastern Europe will look attractive to non whites too, who thanks to EU freedom of movement can easily relocate there.
  89. @Ed
    Mass migration of Africans is not going to happen due to the response of the electorate to the recent surge. Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.

    Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.

    I don’t know about other countries, but in Sweden it could well happen. Of the eight parties in parliament only one (the Sweden Democrats) is against mass immigration – and is therefore regarded as beyond the pale, even “fascist”. We’re an authoritarian people: what our betters tell us is regarded as self-evident truth (or at least you must pretend it is). The Sweden Democrats aren’t likely ever to get a majority of the votes, and the other parties might pull a Merkle just to show how good they are.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Sweden will have to be taken over by the US military after the ruling class in the United States is toppled.

    I say there are only a few hundred officers in the US military that need to be fired by President Trump to completely change the command structure. I'm glad Trump moved up the departure date of baby boomer treasonite General James Mattis. Good riddance to that globalizer goon Mattis! Once the globalizer officer group is gone, then we can use the US military to change-out ruling classes all over Europe.

    Sweden has 10 million people or so, maybe the same as Greece, all we'll need is the electronics guys and 400, 000 Swedish men between the ages of 18 and 60 to take political and military control of Sweden.

    Sweden For The Swedes!
    , @Alec Leamas
    I have a fanciful hypothetical to put to you -

    Let us say we live in an alternative Universe identical to this one in all other respects except that there is no influx of migrants from the Middle East and Northern Africa into Europe, but instead there had occurred some catastrophic event in the Southern United States which instigated a "migration" of a few million whites from rural Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, and Georgia. Their culture and rates of crime and delinquency are the same as the white populations of those States as they are today in our Universe. Many of them - roughly the same numbers as the MENA migrants - wish to settle permanently in Sweden.

    In this alternate Universe would Sweden's political situation be more welcoming of "migrants," less welcoming of "migrants," or would there be no change?
    , @Pericles
    The open borders fags are currently on the back foot; the Social-Democrat Swedish Minister of Finance (number 2) this year even made a public proclamation to migrants that "Sweden is full, go somewhere else".

    Alas, I think this is a temporary position until the public shock and rage of 2015 wears off. There are still plenty of open borders treasonists on both the right and left and we still haven't elected the next government because of some of them. (On the 'right', as it happens.)

    Furthermore, in order to just staunch the migrant flow a lot more is needed regarding getting rid of various anti-Swedish laws that have somehow been snuck in. (Whoa, was that an echo?) Probably familiar to most readers here, like anchor babby, establishing a beach head for relatives, difficult deportation of criminals, etc etc.
  90. @Almost Missouri

    I’d say the government has been captured by a sort of “new man” since Blair but certainly not ethnic minorities as ethnic minorities.
     
    I can't help noticing that British administrations—or whatever you call them over there—since Blair (i.e., through Brown and Cameron) have been extremely top-heavy with Scots. This was even an amusing leitmotif in the otherwise overrated 2009 film In the Loop.

    Like almost everyone else, I like the Scots, and I don't think they were trying to take over England as such, but the Scots often do have an ingrained contempt for and insouciance about the welfare of the native English, which became evident in central government policy in this period. That this contempt neatly dovetailed with the objectives of wealthy globalists and the idiocies of Current Year fashions compounded the damage.


    Supposedly noticing all of the above makes me a terrific racist…
     
    So the matter won't be discussed and the North American Experience won't be considered...

    There’s bee a lot of Scots but I wouldn’t say they were particularly Scottish. Both Cameron and Blair were more Scottish by surname than anything else.

    As for if Europe will learn from America, probably not. We might learn from France though.

  91. Millions of GIs returned to the States after WWII, they left as fuzzy cheeked boys and returned as men. They left from their boyhood homes and returned eager to find a gal, get married, buy a home and raise a family. The first suburbs, first ring suburbs, were built by and for white men fleeing their parents’ home. America has always had enough land suitable for building new suburban towns and villages with plenty of land left for farms and commercial use. I don’t think European countries have a lot of surplus farmland.

  92. “The Great Migration of 6 or 7 million African-Americans from the South to Northern cities in the 1940s-1970s contributed heavily to white flight to the suburbs”

    The Great Migration was in large part caused by black people seeking to escape Jim Crow laws and being drawn to economic opportunities in northern factories. Like ANY migration, there will be a “flight” of people from one neighborhood to another neighborhood. If you look at the influx of the Irish in the 1840’s and 1850’s, for example, they ended up taking over the neighborhoods of the English and Scottish, who eventually moved to other areas. Furthermore, a major impetus of 1950’s white flight was that veterans on the GI Bill had steady income and had larger families; thus, they sought to live a more comfortable lifestyle given their new found affluence. They found cheap land and housing out in the suburbs. Naturally, “newer” groups moved into the homes the whites left.

    “Greater Migration of blacks out of Africa of one or two orders of magnitude greater than the Great Migration that caused so much havoc in 20th Century urban America.”

    Of course, a wide range of factors caused havoc in urban areas.

    An oldie but a goodie…

    file:///Users/teacher/Downloads/Breger,%20G.%20E.%201967%20-%20The%20concept%20and%20causes%20of%20urban%20blight.pdf

    And, of course, a current standby…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_decay

    “Urban decay (also known as urban rot and urban blight) is the sociological process by which a previously functioning city, or part of a city, falls into disrepair and decrepitude. It may feature deindustrialization, depopulation or deurbanization, economic restructuring, abandoned buildings and infrastructure, high local unemployment, fragmented families, political disenfranchisement, crime, and a desolate cityscape, known as greyfield or urban prairie.”

    Naturally, Mr. Sailer is isolating one factor as being the primary cause. How Alt Right of him to NOTICE.

    “So what do other countries think about this prospect?”

    Considering that greedy Europeans colonized Africa, extracted its resources for its own designs, moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the “benefit” of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?

    Of course, one hopes that African economic growth will help to address the concern that potentially will disrupt “white countries”.

    https://qz.com/africa/1179387/africas-economic-outlook-is-promising-for-2018-but-there-clouds-on-the-horizon/

    http://www.itnewsafrica.com/2018/05/top-10-fastest-growing-economies-in-africa-2018/

    Although, I suppose one potential solution is for the Alt Right to pool their vast financial resources to hire Blackwater to poison Africans. Put something in their drinking water, let them all perish, and then we simply loot the continent.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas

    Considering that greedy Europeans colonized Africa, extracted its resources for its own designs, moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the “benefit” of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?
     
    Funny thing about the rapacious conquest of Africa by the European powers - there are so many, many more Africans afterward than before.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Corvinus, I thought the Colonist took all the natural resources out of the African continent before they abandoned it. Who knew resources such as gold and diamonds could replenish themselves.
    , @Pheasant
    'moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the “benefit” of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?'

    Because as we all know Africans have never engaged in homicidal tribal zero sum competitions if the White man is not putting them up to it. The parts of Africa that were relatively homogenous and untouched by Europeans are still sh*t. How's Somalia coming along? inter clan warfare instead of intertribal warfare. Hows Eithiopia coming along? never colonosed by Europeans still incredibly crap.

    'Although, I suppose one potential solution is for the Alt Right to pool their vast financial resources to hire Blackwater to poison Africans. Put something in their drinking water, let them all perish, and then we simply loot the continent'

    Actually all Whites would have to do is not give them food aid. Since Africans never managed to invent sedentiary agriculture (they had slash and burn-use up an area and move on) the continenet of Africa would soon revert back to carrying capacity. we'd go from just shy of a billion africans to less than 100 million or so in a continent big enough to contain China, Europe and North America and still have room left over.

    , @Counterinsurgency
    In the AD 1930s it was common for the sons of Republican businessmen to enter the Ivy League universities and emerge as Democratic / Progressive stalwarts. When complained to about this, the universities would attribute the change to "youthful rebellion", a claim often accepted. The universities never did comment on the complete absence of students who entered as Democratic / Progressive stalwarts and emerge as Republicans.

    Plausible doesn't mean correct, even if reinforced by contempt. An argument from contempt disgraces the person giving it.

    And as for your characterization of the Alt Right, that's simple defamation.

    Try some real arguments.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @El Dato

    Considering that greedy Europeans colonized Africa, extracted its resources for its own designs, moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the “benefit” of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?
     
    Gee I dunno.

    It's 2019.

    I expect well-functioning societies, not exactly Wakanda, but at least something that can have a respectable industry, schools, roads, actually working planes, scientific research, maybe even a space program.

    Not ceaseless demand for gibs, Boko Haram, Ebola, cannibalism, genocide, population explosion and illiterate AK-wielding mercenary gangs. All to the moaning of "being exploited by Chinese".

    Maybe you could stick the Colonialism Mantra up close your prostata where it belongs?

  93. @Ed
    Mass migration of Africans is not going to happen due to the response of the electorate to the recent surge. Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.

    Don’t kid yourself.

    Frau Frump herself stated, in 2010 mind you, that ‘multiculturalism has failed’.

    Five years later she personally invited in the biggest, fastest multicultural immigration in world history.

    Government by Economist Magazine is the name of the game.

  94. @Almost Missouri

    I’d say the government has been captured by a sort of “new man” since Blair but certainly not ethnic minorities as ethnic minorities.
     
    I can't help noticing that British administrations—or whatever you call them over there—since Blair (i.e., through Brown and Cameron) have been extremely top-heavy with Scots. This was even an amusing leitmotif in the otherwise overrated 2009 film In the Loop.

    Like almost everyone else, I like the Scots, and I don't think they were trying to take over England as such, but the Scots often do have an ingrained contempt for and insouciance about the welfare of the native English, which became evident in central government policy in this period. That this contempt neatly dovetailed with the objectives of wealthy globalists and the idiocies of Current Year fashions compounded the damage.


    Supposedly noticing all of the above makes me a terrific racist…
     
    So the matter won't be discussed and the North American Experience won't be considered...

    The great thing about the 2015 UK General Election was the utter repudiation of the Labour Party by the Scottish electorate.

    The Labour Party took the Scots voters for fools – and the Scots knew it.

    • Replies: @g2k
    They then voted for the SNP who are even more prone to sjwism and petty authoritarianism than Labour by an order of magnitude, so a bit of a Pyrrhic victory imho. A yes vote in 2014 would've allowed the English to get rid of them. The Lib-Dem wipeout was the only real positive out of that election.
  95. The most likely outcome given Merkels recent speech on how governments must ignore their peoples in favor of foreigners and give up sovereignty to the Eu and UN is …

    No limit to African and Muslim immigrants. Serfdom for Whites to pay for it. And invites to Putin to kick out the Third Wirld.

  96. @TBA

    Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.
     
    I don't know about other countries, but in Sweden it could well happen. Of the eight parties in parliament only one (the Sweden Democrats) is against mass immigration - and is therefore regarded as beyond the pale, even "fascist". We're an authoritarian people: what our betters tell us is regarded as self-evident truth (or at least you must pretend it is). The Sweden Democrats aren't likely ever to get a majority of the votes, and the other parties might pull a Merkle just to show how good they are.

    Sweden will have to be taken over by the US military after the ruling class in the United States is toppled.

    I say there are only a few hundred officers in the US military that need to be fired by President Trump to completely change the command structure. I’m glad Trump moved up the departure date of baby boomer treasonite General James Mattis. Good riddance to that globalizer goon Mattis! Once the globalizer officer group is gone, then we can use the US military to change-out ruling classes all over Europe.

    Sweden has 10 million people or so, maybe the same as Greece, all we’ll need is the electronics guys and 400, 000 Swedish men between the ages of 18 and 60 to take political and military control of Sweden.

    Sweden For The Swedes!

    • Replies: @WHAT
    Screw off to your negro-infested hellhole of a continent and stay there. Mother Europa will decide her fate on her own, without murrican kike slaves to muck things up.
    , @EH
    Yes, if Sweden and most of the other nations in Western Europe are going to be prevented from committing auto-genocide, an outside power is going to have to step in. It would be nice if it were the US, but we're under the spell of the same propagandists.
  97. @Almost Missouri

    I’d say the government has been captured by a sort of “new man” since Blair but certainly not ethnic minorities as ethnic minorities.
     
    I can't help noticing that British administrations—or whatever you call them over there—since Blair (i.e., through Brown and Cameron) have been extremely top-heavy with Scots. This was even an amusing leitmotif in the otherwise overrated 2009 film In the Loop.

    Like almost everyone else, I like the Scots, and I don't think they were trying to take over England as such, but the Scots often do have an ingrained contempt for and insouciance about the welfare of the native English, which became evident in central government policy in this period. That this contempt neatly dovetailed with the objectives of wealthy globalists and the idiocies of Current Year fashions compounded the damage.


    Supposedly noticing all of the above makes me a terrific racist…
     
    So the matter won't be discussed and the North American Experience won't be considered...

    Scottish MPs like to fret over the dreadful racism of the English. But Glasgow and Edinburgh are still Scottish cities – London and Birmingham aren’t English any more (except for Olympic Games or Royal events).

    It would be interesting to see a Scotland where the younger generation were 30% minority, as they are in England and Wales. I may well live to see that, as I can’t see Scotland surviving the deluge if England can’t.

    I think Tyrion, Simon and g2k have survivorship bias regarding white attitudes to minorities in London. All the people who couldn’t tolerate it and had the money have already voted with their feet. Half the newcomers in my village are from London (and they’re pricing out the locals). Naturally if you ask, they’ve moved for “better schools” and “the lifestyle”.

    • Replies: @g2k
    London should be thought of as a foreign country and not representative of the country as a whole. Still, I will repeat the point, most of the white flight happened immediately following the war and migrants moved into houses that, at the time, most people didn't want to live in: Look at that video i posted about smog there, 4000 people killed in a week, that's more than 9/11 in a country of around 1/6 the population at the time. The only time that white flight was in any way coerced was during the post-war redevelopments/"slum" clearances.

    Now, that's not to say that white flight due to minority and violent crime is non existent, there's been a noticeable spike in the last few years. I'd expect to see the white population of Luton and certain outer London suburbs beyond the north/south circulars (too far from the centre of london to get any real london advantage from living thete) seriously tank over the next decade or two (look at that video i posted where people are casually walking through a trail of blood; that's in the centre of town in a mall in broad daylight) and these are 2018's London murder victims:

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-46128268

    Nevertheless, this still needs to be put in context. As bad as things are, they aren't 4000 deaths a week bad. The uk also has a nasty white underclass that, whilst not being violent enough to cause alarming statistics, is still much worse than it's American equivalent, very antisocial, unpleasant to be anywhere near and a lot more familiar to English white working and lower-middle classes (think incessant littering, weed smoking, drunkenness, vandalism, petty theft, juvenile delinquency, swearing at high volume all the time etc) See also:
    http://www.unz.com/gdurocher/the-economics-of-the-great-replacement/

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Yeah, I'm kind of puzzled by the relative sanguinity of the comments. What happened in the US WILL happen, IS happening to you. Your city centers will be taken over by a politically potent ethnic minority for the benefit of its tribe. It is playing out exactly the way Enoch Powell said it would. Somebody said they don't consider 80% homogenous. Eighty percent! That's an unassailable electoral majority. That's what Singapore and Israel will maintain for their ruling ethnic majorities, by blood and iron if necessary.

    And it gets crazier. First, you really do have white flight--the numbers and demographics don't lie. Britain and Europe were white-whitey-whitiest in the 1960's. All the new growth is immigrant and, sure enough, you developed the suburban white doughnuts that we did once US courts started striking down restrictive covenants and ordering schools to integrate. Second, the grooming scandals as I recall took place in 85 to 90% white communities! That's whiter than Reagan's America. In the US, those would be called Whitopias. So even at just 10 to 15% south Asian minority, your family structure and civil order starts breaking down. But Brits and Europeans think because they once had Empires they can make this work, unlike those uncouth Americans.

    Don't say we didn't warn you. Hell, Enoch Powell warned you.
  98. . . . [F]irst world countries need to be thinking seriously about what would be the impact of a Greater Migration of blacks out of Africa of one or two orders of magnitude greater than the Great Migration that caused so much havoc in 20th Century urban America.

    So what do other countries think about this prospect? I can’t find much in English on the topic of white flight in Europe.

    I suspect that lots of European elites think that It Can’t Happen Here because:

    – They don’t really grasp that it ever happened in America. After all, it’s not a subject for respectable discourse in the American press.

    – Unlike us, white Americans are racist, so they deserved whatever it was that happened to them.

    – We’ll send the migrants to the boring suburbs instead, and keep the lovely downtowns for ourselves.

    What makes you believe that the ruling class was innocent of the effects of the American Great Migration and wasn’t engineering it for some social or economic end? Dr. E. Michael Jones has put together some compelling theories backed by evidence that the importation of Southern blacks into northern cities in the United States was to some degree planned, and if not planned from the outset engineered to attain certain social and political goals.

    Speaking as someone who lived through the weaponization of the Section 8 housing voucher system to catalyze white flight, I have no doubt that white flight was at some point planned or engineered.

    On a related but tangential note, as I think I’ve pointed out here in the past there is an interesting parallel between the urban crime wave, white flight, and the rate of traffic deaths in the United States. Whites were forced out of cities by crime, into suburbs which could only be navigated by cars, and died at increasing rates by virtue of traffic accidents. cf. Stumbling a few blocks home from the corner taproom with driving several miles home while intoxicated.

    • Replies: @Anon
    As far as I have been aware, the Great Migration out of the South was a result of the World Wars. White males were conscripted into the military, while blacks were only volunteers in segregated units.

    The war having opened up jobs, and a demand-surge, led to millions of blacks moving out of sharecropping and into factories. Upon the end of WW1, there was a recession and significant racial violence. Post-WW2 was an economic boom where having the sole remaining industrial base averted any layoffs that would have triggered similar rioting. Until that was the 1960s, when the first signs of deindustrialization emerged as we funded the recovery of Japan and Western Europe.

    I'd have to guess, as I'm not familiar with Mr. Jones, that the leading beneficiaries of out-migration from the rural South would have been the local white elite. There were significant parts of the South that were outright black-majority.
  99. @Cagey Beast
    - Unlike us, white Americans are racist, so they deserved whatever it was that happened to them.

    I can't remember anyone saying that last part*. What I have heard, too many times to count, from Canadians and Europeans is: "White Americans are racist, so we can do better with our Blacks". It's almost the exact same story Americans were telling themselves about their Muslims, up until very recently.

    On the topic of White flight in Europe, I did hear Eric Zemmour mention it when discussing the Yellow Vest movement. He pointed out that one reason rising fuel costs matter to the native French protesters is that so many of the inner suburbs are now uninhabitable for them. The suburban public housing units built for them (especially the pieds-noirs) in the 1960's are now filled with dangerous vibrancy.

    * I think that's what one kind of White American says about another kind. White Americans (especially Jews) are far nastier to each other than we White foreigners are to you.

    Cagey, Canadians are gag worthy. They always point to the cinder in our eye. Canada has some of the worst racial relations between their Indigenous People and the rest of their citizens. They have moved whole tribes from reservations because they didn’t have drinking water. Canada, without a history of slavery and no Jim Crow laws, still can’t make their black population feel welcome.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    That may be true but:
    - American White flight is almost never discussed.
    - The theme is always that we can do race relations better, not that White Americans deserve their punishment. That comes out in American versus American fights.
    , @lavoisier
    Shouldn't the black population start making themselves more worthy of being welcomed?

    Better yet, make their own societies livable so they do not need to seek welcome in other nations.
  100. @Corvinus
    "The Great Migration of 6 or 7 million African-Americans from the South to Northern cities in the 1940s-1970s contributed heavily to white flight to the suburbs"

    The Great Migration was in large part caused by black people seeking to escape Jim Crow laws and being drawn to economic opportunities in northern factories. Like ANY migration, there will be a "flight" of people from one neighborhood to another neighborhood. If you look at the influx of the Irish in the 1840's and 1850's, for example, they ended up taking over the neighborhoods of the English and Scottish, who eventually moved to other areas. Furthermore, a major impetus of 1950's white flight was that veterans on the GI Bill had steady income and had larger families; thus, they sought to live a more comfortable lifestyle given their new found affluence. They found cheap land and housing out in the suburbs. Naturally, "newer" groups moved into the homes the whites left.

    "Greater Migration of blacks out of Africa of one or two orders of magnitude greater than the Great Migration that caused so much havoc in 20th Century urban America."

    Of course, a wide range of factors caused havoc in urban areas.

    An oldie but a goodie...

    file:///Users/teacher/Downloads/Breger,%20G.%20E.%201967%20-%20The%20concept%20and%20causes%20of%20urban%20blight.pdf

    And, of course, a current standby...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_decay

    "Urban decay (also known as urban rot and urban blight) is the sociological process by which a previously functioning city, or part of a city, falls into disrepair and decrepitude. It may feature deindustrialization, depopulation or deurbanization, economic restructuring, abandoned buildings and infrastructure, high local unemployment, fragmented families, political disenfranchisement, crime, and a desolate cityscape, known as greyfield or urban prairie."

    Naturally, Mr. Sailer is isolating one factor as being the primary cause. How Alt Right of him to NOTICE.

    "So what do other countries think about this prospect?"

    Considering that greedy Europeans colonized Africa, extracted its resources for its own designs, moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the "benefit" of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?

    Of course, one hopes that African economic growth will help to address the concern that potentially will disrupt "white countries".

    https://qz.com/africa/1179387/africas-economic-outlook-is-promising-for-2018-but-there-clouds-on-the-horizon/

    http://www.itnewsafrica.com/2018/05/top-10-fastest-growing-economies-in-africa-2018/

    Although, I suppose one potential solution is for the Alt Right to pool their vast financial resources to hire Blackwater to poison Africans. Put something in their drinking water, let them all perish, and then we simply loot the continent.

    Considering that greedy Europeans colonized Africa, extracted its resources for its own designs, moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the “benefit” of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?

    Funny thing about the rapacious conquest of Africa by the European powers – there are so many, many more Africans afterward than before.

  101. @Tiny Duck
    Won't matter because white girls are atttacted to Black Men. The future is black and brown. There will be no whites to run in the future because white men are wimpy while Black Men are desirable.

    Pluck you Duck.

  102. @Charles Pewitt
    Sweden will have to be taken over by the US military after the ruling class in the United States is toppled.

    I say there are only a few hundred officers in the US military that need to be fired by President Trump to completely change the command structure. I'm glad Trump moved up the departure date of baby boomer treasonite General James Mattis. Good riddance to that globalizer goon Mattis! Once the globalizer officer group is gone, then we can use the US military to change-out ruling classes all over Europe.

    Sweden has 10 million people or so, maybe the same as Greece, all we'll need is the electronics guys and 400, 000 Swedish men between the ages of 18 and 60 to take political and military control of Sweden.

    Sweden For The Swedes!

    Screw off to your negro-infested hellhole of a continent and stay there. Mother Europa will decide her fate on her own, without murrican kike slaves to muck things up.

    • Replies: @Chase
    Sorry, like it or not, we’re in this together. It’s looking more like America is a failed European outpost. Europe is the focus, and some of the further-seeing Americans can recognize that.
  103. Half the newcomers in my village are from London (and they’re pricing out the locals). Naturally if you ask, they’ve moved for “better schools” and “the lifestyle”.

    I wonder how many of the Old Stocker English people pushed out of London and other areas by mass immigration and multicultural mayhem voted to leave the European Union?

    In the United States we also have our own coward rats who won’t just say that they don’t want to live around large populations of non-Whites.

    Hillary Clinton moved to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, in order to avoid having to live around Blacks and other non-Whites.

    Tweet from 2014:

  104. @Sean
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6HDXcFrsgw

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1064540/migrant-crisis-english-channel-major-incident-sajid-javid


    ‘MAJOR INCIDENT’ declared in English Channel: Migrant crisis out of control, admits Javid
    SAJID Javid has declared the rising number of migrants attempting to cross the English Channel a "major incident" and has asked for an urgent meeting with French ministers.
    By TOM NELLIST
    PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sat, Dec 29, 2018 | UPDATED: 00:08, Sat, Dec 29, 2018
     
    Javid is the Home Secretary, and as such is in charge of the police and border.

    The French hate Britain for Brexit. Facilitating illegal immigration to Britain kills two birds with one stone.

    I suspect there maybe something to this, but I suspect that it’s just passive; they made extra effort to stop this kind of thing pre-referendum and have reverted to business as usual now. I was in Calais pre- referendum and the intensity of policing had to be seen to be believed. This, of course, was only around the port and highway. The old hoverport and eastern beaches were left completely alone, so it was only a matter of time before this kind of thing happened. Very dangerous though, the channel is not the med.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    France has been breaking up camps for years now, to include having effortfully laid seige to the Jungle of Calais multiple times.
    Maybe this is because I'm not a math person, but, if you don't deport the people, then what exactly is the point? I mean, is it like Giuliani eliminating the homeless in one place by moving them to another place in the same country? Speaking as an awful internet Nazi I'd much rather the Jungle denizens be allowed to enjoy their morning.
    , @Sean
    Even supposing they are intercepted at sea, nothing can be done to stop or return them and they are merely rescued and get to Britain all the quicker to claim refugee status. More resources will just make crossing safer for those who try and thus encourage far more to try. Unstoppable.
  105. @Anonymous
    European politicians cannot be totally naive, and part of the cover-up of the devastation of diversity at the same time. Every European cop or journalist knows not to report mass rapes or crimes by migrant populations, and they actively cover them up. From where do they get their marching orders? The politicians, who in turn get their orders from the super-rich via their pet NGOs. The pols know what is coming to some extent. They just feel it is an unstoppable force they should personally profit from.

    Have you ever seen the videos of shithole countries dumping their garbage trucks into their own rivers? Why would they do this to themselves? Because they rationalize that everyone else does it to save/ make money so they want to be sure to get their fair share of all that sweet river trash money. Same attitude with Western European politicians.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3JEldVLzi_U

    Anonymous, Our neighbors to the north dump billions of gallons of sewage into the ocean via their rivers and Canada is hardly third world.

  106. @TBA

    Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.
     
    I don't know about other countries, but in Sweden it could well happen. Of the eight parties in parliament only one (the Sweden Democrats) is against mass immigration - and is therefore regarded as beyond the pale, even "fascist". We're an authoritarian people: what our betters tell us is regarded as self-evident truth (or at least you must pretend it is). The Sweden Democrats aren't likely ever to get a majority of the votes, and the other parties might pull a Merkle just to show how good they are.

    I have a fanciful hypothetical to put to you –

    Let us say we live in an alternative Universe identical to this one in all other respects except that there is no influx of migrants from the Middle East and Northern Africa into Europe, but instead there had occurred some catastrophic event in the Southern United States which instigated a “migration” of a few million whites from rural Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, and Georgia. Their culture and rates of crime and delinquency are the same as the white populations of those States as they are today in our Universe. Many of them – roughly the same numbers as the MENA migrants – wish to settle permanently in Sweden.

    In this alternate Universe would Sweden’s political situation be more welcoming of “migrants,” less welcoming of “migrants,” or would there be no change?

    • Replies: @TBA
    I suspect you know the answer: less welcoming.
    , @Arclight
    Never mind Sweden, how welcoming would places like Seattle, Portland, SF, LA, Chicago, St. Louis, DC, Baltimore, Philly, and NY be if there was an internal migration of let's say 20 million lower class southern and Appalachian whites to them over the course of a couple of decades?

    My guess is that the media and politicians would be quite open in discussing their educational and cultural shortcomings, and tolerance for additional crime and cost of social services would be extremely limited.
    , @Cagey Beast
    It's funny to imagine a large influx of red state American Whites into Sweden. Compared to Sweden's current pool of migrants, White Americans would commit far fewer rapes but they still might ruin Swedish folk festivals and damage social harmony. White Americans have developed a real love of being militantly obnoxious.
    , @Pericles
    To a close approximation, the official position of Sweden these days follows that of the EU, UN and Judeo-New England (but not Israel).

    For example, I have a friend, a Swedish middle-manager in Euro offices of SJW tech, who a while ago let it slip that White South Africans basically deserve being genocided. Is he a particularly evil sort or SJW? No, actually I'd say he's basically a naive, uncaring goodwhite, which as we know has morphed into an evil clown form. I don't think it would be a big leap for him to take the same stance with raciss US Whites, as long as the signal from New England was clear and strong.
  107. @Polymath
    “Looking at the US, the striking thing is the visceral hatred blacks have for whites, especially in the Northern USA. ”

    Yes. This is the PRIMARY race problem in America. Everything else is either trivial, or would go away if this did. The key to understanding this is to note the way that it has increased rather than decreased as the condition of blacks improved—although there are psychological reasons for that, the main driver of it is half a century of media and white Democrats stoking black resentment very purposefully for reasons of their own.

    Polymath, you see too many articles pointing out that black males now outlive white males.

  108. @advancedatheist
    South Asians show signs of wanting to gain political power in the U.S., if the half-Hindu Kamala Harris and the crypto-Sikh Nikki Haley tell us anything.

    Advanced, Kamala Harris only wants people to know she is black, you know, like Obama was black.

  109. @TG
    A comment on something critical that nobody seems to remember: the migration of blacks into more northern locales is only really possible because of vitamin-D enriched foods. Whatever reasons for American blacks migrating from the south to the north, it could not have really worked much earlier. It was technology that allowed that to happen.

    And the mass migration of sub-saharan Africans into Europe and North America also could not be sustained without vitamin-D enriched foods.

    Funny how something so simple, that we take for granted, can have such wide-ranging consequences.

    Blacks started moving to Northern cities in World War I when many whites were drafted. Manufacturers needed cheap labor. In WW II there were 16 million in the armed forces and a need for factory labor to build weapons. The decline of every northern city soon followed and then the great white flight.

  110. – They don’t really grasp that it ever happened in America. After all, it’s not a subject for respectable discourse in the American press.

    This.
    Americans underestimate how naively ignorant we Europeans are of their race issues.

    Our popular window on America is Hollywood – enough said.

    In fact, it’s worse than that. At least Hollywood movies typically have black people speak with a black accent.
    In France, Germany, Italy, and Spain, American movies only exist in the local dubbed version, which translates African-American accents as perfect, unaccented Italian or whatever, meaning that we have no way of even knowing that African-Americans are anything other than perfectly assimilated, considering that they speak the same as everyone else and they typically work as judges, doctors, or scientists.

    Even highly educated, intelligent people fall victim to this distortion of reality, or at least it causes them to underestimate the true problems.

    Not that Europeans even put the concept of “African-Americans” anywhere close to “immigrant”. If I told any European that the situation of blacks in America is a model for what happens to third world immigrants in Europe, I would get blank stares. They genuinely wouldn’t get it. What do blacks in America have to do with immigrants? African Americans aren’t immigrants, they were slaves – totally different thing.

    To many, the model for immigration is still European immigration to the US, which was successful, therefore third world immigration into Europe will be just as successful eventually, the same argument that is used in America to advocate Hispanic immigration by the way.

    “Race relations” isn’t a topic of discussion at all. Educated Europeans don’t even believe race exists, in contrast to educated Americans who, despite Steve’s complaints about people being stupid about race, seem to at least believe that race exists.

    As for “white flight”, obviously nobody ever heard of the concept.

  111. “I suspect that lots of European elites think that It Can’t Happen Here because:”

    They’ve actually bought fully into Agenda 2030, which insists on “leading” more and more people to want to settle in “sustainable” conurbations, so while they won’t outright outlaw white-flight, they will through aggressive use of planning permission and refugee-settlement policies make it darn near impossible.

  112. I’ve always seen “white flight”in Europe as a constant condition, the result not of black faces but of economic desperation, or boredom. I mean, half of Shannon Airport is filled with Paddies going to Oz or America or some other place where they’ll open a pub and — first thing — hang a tricolor. And the Brits are renowned for leaving the homeland for warmer climes in Benidorm or some such expat ghetto. And out comes the Union Jack on their stoop. The Brits even make TV shows about it for god’s sake.

  113. @Sean
    Only 63 percent of the population of London was even born in Britain.

    “Only 63 percent of the population of London was even born in Britain.”

    Wow, that many? I thought 63% were foreign-born.

  114. @Corvinus
    "The Great Migration of 6 or 7 million African-Americans from the South to Northern cities in the 1940s-1970s contributed heavily to white flight to the suburbs"

    The Great Migration was in large part caused by black people seeking to escape Jim Crow laws and being drawn to economic opportunities in northern factories. Like ANY migration, there will be a "flight" of people from one neighborhood to another neighborhood. If you look at the influx of the Irish in the 1840's and 1850's, for example, they ended up taking over the neighborhoods of the English and Scottish, who eventually moved to other areas. Furthermore, a major impetus of 1950's white flight was that veterans on the GI Bill had steady income and had larger families; thus, they sought to live a more comfortable lifestyle given their new found affluence. They found cheap land and housing out in the suburbs. Naturally, "newer" groups moved into the homes the whites left.

    "Greater Migration of blacks out of Africa of one or two orders of magnitude greater than the Great Migration that caused so much havoc in 20th Century urban America."

    Of course, a wide range of factors caused havoc in urban areas.

    An oldie but a goodie...

    file:///Users/teacher/Downloads/Breger,%20G.%20E.%201967%20-%20The%20concept%20and%20causes%20of%20urban%20blight.pdf

    And, of course, a current standby...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_decay

    "Urban decay (also known as urban rot and urban blight) is the sociological process by which a previously functioning city, or part of a city, falls into disrepair and decrepitude. It may feature deindustrialization, depopulation or deurbanization, economic restructuring, abandoned buildings and infrastructure, high local unemployment, fragmented families, political disenfranchisement, crime, and a desolate cityscape, known as greyfield or urban prairie."

    Naturally, Mr. Sailer is isolating one factor as being the primary cause. How Alt Right of him to NOTICE.

    "So what do other countries think about this prospect?"

    Considering that greedy Europeans colonized Africa, extracted its resources for its own designs, moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the "benefit" of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?

    Of course, one hopes that African economic growth will help to address the concern that potentially will disrupt "white countries".

    https://qz.com/africa/1179387/africas-economic-outlook-is-promising-for-2018-but-there-clouds-on-the-horizon/

    http://www.itnewsafrica.com/2018/05/top-10-fastest-growing-economies-in-africa-2018/

    Although, I suppose one potential solution is for the Alt Right to pool their vast financial resources to hire Blackwater to poison Africans. Put something in their drinking water, let them all perish, and then we simply loot the continent.

    Corvinus, I thought the Colonist took all the natural resources out of the African continent before they abandoned it. Who knew resources such as gold and diamonds could replenish themselves.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Corvinus, I thought the Colonist took all the natural resources out of the African continent before they abandoned it."

    They took as much as they found. Of course, there are new discoveries. As a result, there is a second run on the continent.

    "Who knew resources such as gold and diamonds could replenish themselves."

    It's not gold and diamonds, but rare earth metals.
    , @Anonymous
    Maybe he's talking about the DNA with the high-IQ potential, which was all removed to the US or the Arab countries.
  115. @Alec Leamas
    I have a fanciful hypothetical to put to you -

    Let us say we live in an alternative Universe identical to this one in all other respects except that there is no influx of migrants from the Middle East and Northern Africa into Europe, but instead there had occurred some catastrophic event in the Southern United States which instigated a "migration" of a few million whites from rural Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, and Georgia. Their culture and rates of crime and delinquency are the same as the white populations of those States as they are today in our Universe. Many of them - roughly the same numbers as the MENA migrants - wish to settle permanently in Sweden.

    In this alternate Universe would Sweden's political situation be more welcoming of "migrants," less welcoming of "migrants," or would there be no change?

    I suspect you know the answer: less welcoming.

  116. @YetAnotherAnon
    Scottish MPs like to fret over the dreadful racism of the English. But Glasgow and Edinburgh are still Scottish cities - London and Birmingham aren't English any more (except for Olympic Games or Royal events).

    It would be interesting to see a Scotland where the younger generation were 30% minority, as they are in England and Wales. I may well live to see that, as I can't see Scotland surviving the deluge if England can't.

    I think Tyrion, Simon and g2k have survivorship bias regarding white attitudes to minorities in London. All the people who couldn't tolerate it and had the money have already voted with their feet. Half the newcomers in my village are from London (and they're pricing out the locals). Naturally if you ask, they've moved for "better schools" and "the lifestyle".

    London should be thought of as a foreign country and not representative of the country as a whole. Still, I will repeat the point, most of the white flight happened immediately following the war and migrants moved into houses that, at the time, most people didn’t want to live in: Look at that video i posted about smog there, 4000 people killed in a week, that’s more than 9/11 in a country of around 1/6 the population at the time. The only time that white flight was in any way coerced was during the post-war redevelopments/”slum” clearances.

    Now, that’s not to say that white flight due to minority and violent crime is non existent, there’s been a noticeable spike in the last few years. I’d expect to see the white population of Luton and certain outer London suburbs beyond the north/south circulars (too far from the centre of london to get any real london advantage from living thete) seriously tank over the next decade or two (look at that video i posted where people are casually walking through a trail of blood; that’s in the centre of town in a mall in broad daylight) and these are 2018’s London murder victims:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-46128268

    Nevertheless, this still needs to be put in context. As bad as things are, they aren’t 4000 deaths a week bad. The uk also has a nasty white underclass that, whilst not being violent enough to cause alarming statistics, is still much worse than it’s American equivalent, very antisocial, unpleasant to be anywhere near and a lot more familiar to English white working and lower-middle classes (think incessant littering, weed smoking, drunkenness, vandalism, petty theft, juvenile delinquency, swearing at high volume all the time etc) See also:
    http://www.unz.com/gdurocher/the-economics-of-the-great-replacement/

    • Agree: Simon in London
    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @g2k
    Sorry, wrong link at the end, should've been:
    http://www.unz.com/gdurocher/france-is-becoming-more-violent/
    , @JMcG
    See the film “Harry Brown” for a disturbing depiction of modern British lower class life. Michael Caine starred in it. I’m surprised it was allowed to be made.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The uk also has a nasty white underclass that, whilst not being violent enough to cause alarming statistics, is still much worse than it’s American equivalent,
     
    Over here, opioids are the opiate of the masses. And there's more elbow room. We can escape each other.
  117. @English Yobbo
    Also:

    In England whites tend to tolerate black crime, which does not kill large numbers of whites.
     
    Yes. This is a very strange thing.

    Although if you've had enough experience of it, then perhaps, like me, you have learnt not to talk about it. Its one thing to have a mutual moan about Muslim rape gangs, terrorists, sharia law and FGM with work colleagues and random people in the pub, but to talk about problems with our black population is reserved for such a select minority that I can't think of anyone I know I can have a relaxed conversation with about it.

    I sometimes wonder if the likes of Tommy Robinson are actually funded by Zionists, as I've seen lefties claim, and that the British MSM gives a certain amount of leeway to highlighting problems with Muslims but not blacks, (and therefore the British overton window hasn't shifted enabling ordinary folk to bitch and moan about it) because Israel isn't surrounded by blacks.

    All of what you say makes sense. tommy robinson is funded by someone with media influence. Somebody who knows a lot of people in the media. I don’t want to be racist or anything, I don’t hate jews I tend to love jews. But we all know who has lots of media connections. Tommy Robinson makes headlines way to much, its suspicious. Are we sure that tommy robinson is even his real name, are we sure it isn’t Tobias Rosen?

  118. @g2k
    London should be thought of as a foreign country and not representative of the country as a whole. Still, I will repeat the point, most of the white flight happened immediately following the war and migrants moved into houses that, at the time, most people didn't want to live in: Look at that video i posted about smog there, 4000 people killed in a week, that's more than 9/11 in a country of around 1/6 the population at the time. The only time that white flight was in any way coerced was during the post-war redevelopments/"slum" clearances.

    Now, that's not to say that white flight due to minority and violent crime is non existent, there's been a noticeable spike in the last few years. I'd expect to see the white population of Luton and certain outer London suburbs beyond the north/south circulars (too far from the centre of london to get any real london advantage from living thete) seriously tank over the next decade or two (look at that video i posted where people are casually walking through a trail of blood; that's in the centre of town in a mall in broad daylight) and these are 2018's London murder victims:

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-46128268

    Nevertheless, this still needs to be put in context. As bad as things are, they aren't 4000 deaths a week bad. The uk also has a nasty white underclass that, whilst not being violent enough to cause alarming statistics, is still much worse than it's American equivalent, very antisocial, unpleasant to be anywhere near and a lot more familiar to English white working and lower-middle classes (think incessant littering, weed smoking, drunkenness, vandalism, petty theft, juvenile delinquency, swearing at high volume all the time etc) See also:
    http://www.unz.com/gdurocher/the-economics-of-the-great-replacement/

    Sorry, wrong link at the end, should’ve been:
    http://www.unz.com/gdurocher/france-is-becoming-more-violent/

  119. @Simon in London
    While there was lots of white flight from London, the population has also increased greatly.

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on - the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.

    I think homogeneous black areas in Europe are unlikely because white European women are very interested in marrying males with Subsaharan African ancestry. So at any place where you have black men are substantial part of the population is white women, plus half-black children

  120. @Bill B.
    The problem in France is nasty because, as Christophe Guilluy has pointed out, the principle cities have become centers of elite privilege each surrounded by a donut of ugly housing estates that hold the servant/helot class made up of migrants; very often Muslim.

    Ordinary whites have found themselves priced out of the center of cities yet unable to stomach the alienation and insecurity of living in the increasingly unwelcoming outer city zones. Endless hand-wringing academic and pseudo-journalistic articles have been written about how disadvantaged and cut off from mainstream France the migrants are, yet, as least for now, the migrants at least have a chance to thrive (relative to their home countries) and establish their own half-French - at best - communities.

    The lower and even middle class whites by contrast are increasingly cut-off from the engines of prosperity and becoming desperate. This is the key behind the Yellow Jacket/French deplorables protests. (The threat to raise petrol/gas prices stung because - unlike the city-hugging new migrant class - whites have to drive rather long distances to what work there is.) As Guilley says:

    The globalised metropolises are the new citadels of the 21st century – rich and unequal, where even the former lower-middle class no longer has a place. Instead, large global cities work on a dual dynamic: gentrification and immigration. This is the paradox: the open society results in a world increasingly closed to the majority of working people.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/02/france-is-deeply-fractured-gilets-jeunes-just-a-symptom

    Christopher Caldwell:

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/french-coming-apart-15125.html

    Just filled my car at $1.999/gallon.

  121. @Tyrion 2

    What about when the central government is captured? Would this be an accurate description of the situation since, say, Blair?
     
    I'd say the government has been captured by a sort of "new man" since Blair but certainly not ethnic minorities as ethnic minorities. Among my mostly native British social circle I'd be considered contrarian far right but I'd say I am roughly in line with a 60s liberal. The government's policies are largely uncontested among most people I know, bar Brexit - which is supposedly just awful.

    And yes, France is very different. Their North African immigrants are particularly antagonistic and violent, for whatever reason. As are Belgium's. The deployment of the military throughout their country was not fake news.

    I also strongly believe that British democracy cannot survive the eclipse of its native demographic majority. Our winner takes all system works fine when the debate is ideological but it cannot survive an ethnically-based competition and the ethnicisation of politics seems probable.

    Furthermore, immigration has opened up British working class labour to international arbitrage, even for service sector jobs, while it has also bid up house prices; thus immiserating huge swathes of our population.

    Nor has it benefited the rich as a whole. Most immigrants are net tax eaters given their average earnings and our progressive tax system, and welfare distribution, nevermind the sunken costs of pre-established capital. The rich may get cheaper coffee service but they pay for it indirectly via higher taxes.

    Supposedly noticing all of the above makes me a terrific racist...

    ‘I also strongly believe that British democracy cannot survive the eclipse of its native demographic majority. Our winner takes all system works fine when the debate is ideological but it cannot survive an ethnically-based competition and the ethnicisation of politics seems probable.’

    Oh Tyrion you just havn’t the slightest bit of self-awareness have you?

  122. @YetAnotherAnon
    The vast majority of white flight is post-60s and has nothing to do with air pollution.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21511904

    "Something quite remarkable happened in London in the first decade of the new millennium. The number of white British people in the capital fell by 620,000 - equivalent to the entire population of Glasgow moving out."

    One big and fairly recent change is that posh suburbs within raiding distance of vibrancy are getting a lot less popular*, and every white market town in Southern and Central England is now surrounded by greenfield building sites.

    The Guardin has a 'Let's Move To.." feature. Every week a new Whitopia.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/series/letsmoveto


    * some oddities here - North London suburbs seem to be more dangerous vis a vis home invasion etc than Surrey ones, although the latter aren't a huge drive from South London. There's something about fields and trees that exerts a benign, protective influence.

    (Tyrion2 - I don't see much Afro-Caribbean 'assimilation' in the crime reports in the Evening Standard)

    They randomly pick places for that feature, some are in London and some are even more diverse than london. Though their opposition to grammar schools goes out the window in such features and the streets they reccomended their london readers move to are the local millionaires’ rows
    https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2008/oct/25/property-homes-bradford
    https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2016/sep/16/lets-move-to-luton-bedfordshire-very-connected
    https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2011/aug/12/lets-move-to-clarendon-park-stoneygate-leicester

  123. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alec Leamas

    . . . [F]irst world countries need to be thinking seriously about what would be the impact of a Greater Migration of blacks out of Africa of one or two orders of magnitude greater than the Great Migration that caused so much havoc in 20th Century urban America.

    So what do other countries think about this prospect? I can’t find much in English on the topic of white flight in Europe.

    I suspect that lots of European elites think that It Can’t Happen Here because:

    - They don’t really grasp that it ever happened in America. After all, it’s not a subject for respectable discourse in the American press.

    - Unlike us, white Americans are racist, so they deserved whatever it was that happened to them.

    - We’ll send the migrants to the boring suburbs instead, and keep the lovely downtowns for ourselves.
     
    What makes you believe that the ruling class was innocent of the effects of the American Great Migration and wasn't engineering it for some social or economic end? Dr. E. Michael Jones has put together some compelling theories backed by evidence that the importation of Southern blacks into northern cities in the United States was to some degree planned, and if not planned from the outset engineered to attain certain social and political goals.

    Speaking as someone who lived through the weaponization of the Section 8 housing voucher system to catalyze white flight, I have no doubt that white flight was at some point planned or engineered.

    On a related but tangential note, as I think I've pointed out here in the past there is an interesting parallel between the urban crime wave, white flight, and the rate of traffic deaths in the United States. Whites were forced out of cities by crime, into suburbs which could only be navigated by cars, and died at increasing rates by virtue of traffic accidents. cf. Stumbling a few blocks home from the corner taproom with driving several miles home while intoxicated.

    As far as I have been aware, the Great Migration out of the South was a result of the World Wars. White males were conscripted into the military, while blacks were only volunteers in segregated units.

    The war having opened up jobs, and a demand-surge, led to millions of blacks moving out of sharecropping and into factories. Upon the end of WW1, there was a recession and significant racial violence. Post-WW2 was an economic boom where having the sole remaining industrial base averted any layoffs that would have triggered similar rioting. Until that was the 1960s, when the first signs of deindustrialization emerged as we funded the recovery of Japan and Western Europe.

    I’d have to guess, as I’m not familiar with Mr. Jones, that the leading beneficiaries of out-migration from the rural South would have been the local white elite. There were significant parts of the South that were outright black-majority.

  124. @Tiny Duck
    Won't matter because white girls are atttacted to Black Men. The future is black and brown. There will be no whites to run in the future because white men are wimpy while Black Men are desirable.

    Here’s a mating song, just for you, TD!

  125. @Almost Missouri
    As usual, iSteve ahead of the curve: genuine News. Global white flight's gonna be a b*tch.

    I wrote a comment some time back about the French method of handing vibrancy, which is basically Steve's third bullet point:

    - We’ll send the migrants to the suburbs instead, and keep the downtowns for ourselves.
     
    It worked for a while, but not so much anymore. Banlieue-stashing is a palliative so long as there are enough banlieues and not too much vibrancy, but when you don't address the source problem, indeed, when you are blinded by law from even seeing the source problem, you eventually run out of banlieues. And then you face the same problem as before, only now with your cities ringed by hostile and resentful banlieues.

    Do banlieues create banlieuters?

  126. @TG
    A comment on something critical that nobody seems to remember: the migration of blacks into more northern locales is only really possible because of vitamin-D enriched foods. Whatever reasons for American blacks migrating from the south to the north, it could not have really worked much earlier. It was technology that allowed that to happen.

    And the mass migration of sub-saharan Africans into Europe and North America also could not be sustained without vitamin-D enriched foods.

    Funny how something so simple, that we take for granted, can have such wide-ranging consequences.

    It was antibiotics actually. Blacks are by an order of magnitude more likely to get respirtotry infections and before antiobiotics these were *very* serious.

    The main reason that the northern states were able to gradually abolish slavery after the ban on importing slaves was that blacks had an extremely high mortality rate and were not reproducing. There were communities of free/rich blacks in places like Philadelphia but these were generally not self sustaining-they relied on immigration from the south.

    Eventually the problem died a quiet death so to speak and the northern abolitionists could pretend slavery was a southern problem.

    The invention of central heating (eliminating the drafts that so harmed blacks), new treatments for lung issues and the invention of antibiotics meant that the munitions workers who went north (generally the ones with something on the ball) could invited the whole extended black family and well… we all know what happened to Detroit.

  127. @Almost Missouri
    As usual, iSteve ahead of the curve: genuine News. Global white flight's gonna be a b*tch.

    I wrote a comment some time back about the French method of handing vibrancy, which is basically Steve's third bullet point:

    - We’ll send the migrants to the suburbs instead, and keep the downtowns for ourselves.
     
    It worked for a while, but not so much anymore. Banlieue-stashing is a palliative so long as there are enough banlieues and not too much vibrancy, but when you don't address the source problem, indeed, when you are blinded by law from even seeing the source problem, you eventually run out of banlieues. And then you face the same problem as before, only now with your cities ringed by hostile and resentful banlieues.

    It worked for a while, but not so much anymore. …you eventually run out of banlieues.

    The term you are looking for is carrying capacity.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The solution they have for us is insect burgers
    , @Almost Missouri
    Wellllll, not exactly. The banlieue strategy is a delaying tactic. It's helpful if you need more time to address the source problem. If you don't use the extra time and just ignore the source problem though, it only makes matters worse because now you've taken on an extra dose of the problem without changing the source. It's like taking a loan with interest. It allows you short term flexibility in exchange for longer term cost. Since an unaddressed source problem will eventually overwhelm the host society, there is no carrying capacity as such, just a threshold beyond which it is too late.

    Needless to say, Western elites have made the problem worse while ignoring the source, so ... worst available course of action. They have a talent for finding this.
  128. @Ed
    Mass migration of Africans is not going to happen due to the response of the electorate to the recent surge. Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.

    Totally wishful thinking. In fact Merkel’s CDU and her coalition partner SPD weren’t punished enough at the German elections in 2017, and felt emboldened enough in their open borders agenda to push through the UN global compact for migration (which is designed to increase migration massively). The nationalist opposition AfD seems stuck at about 15% in the polls, while the open borders Greens have achieved new heights and might conceivably even become the dominant party in a Greens-CDU coalition in the 2020s.
    Optimism that the electorate has come to its senses is misplaced.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  129. Well there is plenty of white flight in the UK Commonwealth. For example, in New Zealand there is a town about 60 km north of Auckland called Warkworth. The population is about 95 percent white and full of ex-pat “poms.” Meanwhile whites are now less than 40 percent of the population in central Auckland.

    There are also multiple layers of white flight in the UK Commonwealth. For example, many Brits have emigrated to Australia, Canada and New Zealand because the UK is getting more crowded and dysfunctional. They arrive in Sydney, Auckland or Vancouver, but then find these cities are a big rip off and impossible to drive around. Then then move to white satellite towns or smaller provincial cities for a better quality of life.

    The difference in Canada, Australia and New Zealand, is that white flight tends to be driven by economics and lifestyle factors, rather than crime or dysfunction. Whites like space and affordable housing, while Asian immigrants have a much greater tolerance of crowding and are prepared to put up much more expensive housing.

    Don’t be surprised if yellow vest movements start erupting in the next few years. As in France, the multicultural big cities can’t seem to find the necessary tax revenue for essential infrastructure improvements, and provincial whites are having to pay higher fuel taxes and to subsidies the big cities (as well as put with lots of meddling by urban greens trying to close mines, shut down logging etc).

    • Replies: @anon

    many Brits have emigrated to Australia, Canada and New Zealand because the UK is getting more crowded and dysfunctional.
     
    Just about every single Brit I've met in the US, especially the women, is an open border cheerleader and major effing libtard. Not just that but many of them are extremely condescending towards native born Americans and love to cozy up to any Indian in sight like they are their long lost cousins. Why the F did these morons leave the UK in the first place, so they can F up another country? No thanks to more British immivasion. There's a reason why we kicked these mofos out in 1776 and again 1812. GTFB to the UK!

    Same goes for the Germans!

    , @Cowboy Shaw
    Good final point. Look at the Adern decision to put the kibosh on oil exploration in Taranaki.
  130. @Anonymous
    'White flight' on an enormous scale definitely occurred in London, England, as early as the 1960s and 70s.

    Think: The Greater London area has an enormous population, being at least 8 millions. Since the 1960s a massive turnover has occurred, the population going from almost 100% white to under 50% white, whist the numbers have remained the same - in other words, 4 million whites simply 'vanished' from London.

    They didn't 'vanish' of course. They simply moved the Hell out.

    Watch this YouTube video of Whiter Shade of Pale.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3iPP-tHdA&feature=youtu.be
    It has scenes filmed in London circa 1967. Lilly white 100%.

  131. @Corvinus
    "The Great Migration of 6 or 7 million African-Americans from the South to Northern cities in the 1940s-1970s contributed heavily to white flight to the suburbs"

    The Great Migration was in large part caused by black people seeking to escape Jim Crow laws and being drawn to economic opportunities in northern factories. Like ANY migration, there will be a "flight" of people from one neighborhood to another neighborhood. If you look at the influx of the Irish in the 1840's and 1850's, for example, they ended up taking over the neighborhoods of the English and Scottish, who eventually moved to other areas. Furthermore, a major impetus of 1950's white flight was that veterans on the GI Bill had steady income and had larger families; thus, they sought to live a more comfortable lifestyle given their new found affluence. They found cheap land and housing out in the suburbs. Naturally, "newer" groups moved into the homes the whites left.

    "Greater Migration of blacks out of Africa of one or two orders of magnitude greater than the Great Migration that caused so much havoc in 20th Century urban America."

    Of course, a wide range of factors caused havoc in urban areas.

    An oldie but a goodie...

    file:///Users/teacher/Downloads/Breger,%20G.%20E.%201967%20-%20The%20concept%20and%20causes%20of%20urban%20blight.pdf

    And, of course, a current standby...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_decay

    "Urban decay (also known as urban rot and urban blight) is the sociological process by which a previously functioning city, or part of a city, falls into disrepair and decrepitude. It may feature deindustrialization, depopulation or deurbanization, economic restructuring, abandoned buildings and infrastructure, high local unemployment, fragmented families, political disenfranchisement, crime, and a desolate cityscape, known as greyfield or urban prairie."

    Naturally, Mr. Sailer is isolating one factor as being the primary cause. How Alt Right of him to NOTICE.

    "So what do other countries think about this prospect?"

    Considering that greedy Europeans colonized Africa, extracted its resources for its own designs, moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the "benefit" of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?

    Of course, one hopes that African economic growth will help to address the concern that potentially will disrupt "white countries".

    https://qz.com/africa/1179387/africas-economic-outlook-is-promising-for-2018-but-there-clouds-on-the-horizon/

    http://www.itnewsafrica.com/2018/05/top-10-fastest-growing-economies-in-africa-2018/

    Although, I suppose one potential solution is for the Alt Right to pool their vast financial resources to hire Blackwater to poison Africans. Put something in their drinking water, let them all perish, and then we simply loot the continent.

    ‘moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the “benefit” of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?’

    Because as we all know Africans have never engaged in homicidal tribal zero sum competitions if the White man is not putting them up to it. The parts of Africa that were relatively homogenous and untouched by Europeans are still sh*t. How’s Somalia coming along? inter clan warfare instead of intertribal warfare. Hows Eithiopia coming along? never colonosed by Europeans still incredibly crap.

    ‘Although, I suppose one potential solution is for the Alt Right to pool their vast financial resources to hire Blackwater to poison Africans. Put something in their drinking water, let them all perish, and then we simply loot the continent’

    Actually all Whites would have to do is not give them food aid. Since Africans never managed to invent sedentiary agriculture (they had slash and burn-use up an area and move on) the continenet of Africa would soon revert back to carrying capacity. we’d go from just shy of a billion africans to less than 100 million or so in a continent big enough to contain China, Europe and North America and still have room left over.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Since Africans never managed to invent sedentiary agriculture..."

    Actually, they did. Look it up.

    "Actually all Whites would have to do is not give them food aid. "

    Which would not happen, especially among Christians. Matthew 22:34-40--“[Jesus] said to him, ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself’”.

    Are you a Christian?
  132. @Brabantian
    Along with 29-year-old Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, announcing that her Puerto Rican heritage included the heritage of Jews expelled from Spain -

    Israelis and Jewish leaders have begun a bold new approach, with big political implications, given that half of the world's partial Jews are estimated to be Latino-American, the same group ascendant in USA politics.

    Is a 'Latino-Jewish' USA in the works?-

    A stunning scientific study in 'Nature' - link below - indicates perhaps over 100 million Latin Americans may have some Jewish heritage, their ancestors Jews who departed Spain and Portugal in the era of Jewish expulsions on the Iberian peninsula

    Leading Jews, including Israeli government advisors such as Ashley Perry, have been urging Israel to embrace the partial-Jews of the world, who might not be technically full Jewish but have a Jewish ancestor.

    Perry is excited about the idea of '200 million with Jewish roots'. If most of this group starts 'thinking Jewish', it will be a formidable increase of Jewish power, with 10x the number of 'official' full Jews.

    The idea is that Israel and Jews are much stronger by encouraging part-Jews to mentally link up with Jews and Israel, and take pride in their part-Jewishness.

     

    The Nature study on Latin American Jewish roots -
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07748-z

    >>Leading Jews, including Israeli government advisors such as Ashley Perry, have been urging Israel to embrace the partial-Jews of the world, who might not be technically full Jewish but have a Jewish ancestor.

    Perry is excited about the idea of ’200 million with Jewish roots’. If most of this group starts ‘thinking Jewish’, it will be a formidable increase of Jewish power, with 10x the number of ‘official’ full Jews.<<

    Great idea. Brilliant. Jewish power. Only an upside, what could possibly go wrong?

    Hmmm. Maybe, 10 million Puerto Ricans, Hondurans, Dominicans, Venezuelans, Brazilians demanding and exercising Aliyah (the right of return to Israel). There goes the neighborhood. But then, even the most recalcitrant Jew would have to realize that, yes, he is a white man.

  133. @Tyrion 2
    Yes, to what you're saying, especially with the "old" and "Irish" caveats.

    There's a surfeit of Irish pubs with old blokes sat around the bar in diverse and vibrant areas. The most interestingly out of place one that I know of is on a main street in Hackney with a faded red outside that was established in the 90s. It has new hipster bars to the left and immigrant businesses to the right but stumbles on regardless.

    The irish pub must be The Kingsland on Kingsland Road? Next door used to be a pie and mash shop, which is now a Chinese restaurant.

    Speaking of white flight, check out one of the most read stories on the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-46709435

    Animal rights activists clashed with (black) protesters who sacrificed a sheep on the beach in a ritual that protesters said would cleanse the beach of racism.

    Soon coming to Malibu?

  134. @istevefan

    It worked for a while, but not so much anymore. ...you eventually run out of banlieues.
     
    The term you are looking for is carrying capacity.

    The solution they have for us is insect burgers

  135. @Anonymous
    The great thing about the 2015 UK General Election was the utter repudiation of the Labour Party by the Scottish electorate.

    The Labour Party took the Scots voters for fools - and the Scots knew it.

    They then voted for the SNP who are even more prone to sjwism and petty authoritarianism than Labour by an order of magnitude, so a bit of a Pyrrhic victory imho. A yes vote in 2014 would’ve allowed the English to get rid of them. The Lib-Dem wipeout was the only real positive out of that election.

  136. Anon[303] • Disclaimer says:

    White Flight isn’t all bad for whites. It means the basic tendency and even defacto right of whites to move to safety as group strategy. This happened in the 60s with many whites, Republicans and Democrats, moving to the suburbs or safer/ritzier parts of the city. And there was resistance against Busing from both Democrats and Republicans, from both working class and middle class. And the main reason wasn’t Race & IQ but Race & Muscle, i.e. the reality of weaker whites being bullied and humiliated by tougher & more aggressive blacks.
    So, white flight was about white solidarity. It was about even white(and Jewish) Liberals eventually coming to see the reality of black crime & grime and moving to white areas. Back then, whiteness was under moral pressure but not vilified. The message was whiteness could be better, not that it was inherently evil.

    Since then, whiteness has been so vilified over the yrs that the notion of any white collective interest or behavior is taboo. So, if white flight of the past was about whites of all ethnic groups, regions, and classes acting with common and shared understanding of black violence and crime, the new trends are about class than race. It’s not about White Flight — based on sentiments shared by vast majority of whites — but about Privilege Village. Privilege Village doesn’t play out in terms of whites running from blacks but in terms of those with status & privilege coalescing in hip urban centers(as socio-economic magnets) and circling the wagons with means ranging from obvious to subtle. Its core modus operandi is based on wealth, status, and connection, not race. (Though globalism leads to diversity among both elites and masses, the diverse elites are better able to coordinate policies to expand their privilege than it is for diverse masses to cooperate to build power. For one thing, the elites are far fewer in number than the masses. Also, the elites are closer to one another due to their concentration in elite institutions and circles in a handful of big cities and college towns. Many know each other by face and name. In contrast, the diverse masses are spread out and hardly know one another. Also, the affinity for abstract thinking and affluence-as-reward for serving globo-homo agenda make it easier for diverse elites to put aside their tribal differences for common haute-class interests. Diversity based on carrots works smoother than Diversity based on sticks. When diverse elites conform to globo-homo agenda, it means more carrots. When diverse masses come under globo-homo regimen, it means more sticks to beat them with. Less intelligent, less keen on abstract thinking, and more desperate, the diverse masses fall into the habit of accusing one another along tribal lines and fail to form a Pan-Diverse Mass Solidarity against the elites among whom diversity is less a hindrance to consensus and coordination.)

    In contrast, the White Flight of yesteryear brought together whites of all classes. When my family moved to the suburbs, there were almost no blacks in a neighborhood where whites(and some Asians) ranged from upper middle class to working class. They had one thing in common: they did whatever they could to move away from blacks. Catholics, Protestants, Jews, etc., they all wanted safety from urban crime that has always been disproportionately black. So, even though white solidarity wasn’t overt and blatant, everyone understood why they moved to the suburbs. It was clearly a white thing.

    But now, any notion of white interest or even well-being is anathema to all-pervasive Political Correctness. This doesn’t mean that whites can’t have it good. Indeed, many whites today have it better than ever. But they must pursue their interests in terms of class and status, not race(unless one happens to be Jewish or black). So, the essence of their worldview isn’t about whites and blacks but winners and losers. The affluent whites in urban centers take pride as ‘winners’ and look down on whites with less as ‘losers’. Even Kevin Williamson of National Review espouses such sentiment. But then, this is now a worldwide phenomenon.

    Look at Japanese elites’ decision to open the gates to massive immigration. (Granted, much of the blame must go to the Japanese masses that stopped breeding. Though most Japanese are not part of the elite, a kind of universal elitism has infected too many Japanese who now refuse to breed unless they can be assured of their kids going to good schools and having good jobs. Another problem is crass hedonism and soulless materialism that made so many Japanese live for momentary pleasure than long-term obligation and meaning.)
    Now, some argue that it’s stupid for the rich class to let in all the poor folks(especially from Third World nations) because the poor folks will vote for policies that tax and rob the rich. But has this happened in Latin America? It seems oligarchic power was always greater there than in homogeneous nations like Japan, historic Canada and historic Sweden(as opposed to globalist Sweden that is dying fast due to mass-immigration-invasion). Granted, Latin American situation can lead to Communist Cuba or Bolivarian Venezuela, but more often than not, diversity in Latin America has led to consolidation of elite/oligarchic power. For one thing, since the white or whiter elites see the brown or browner masses as different(despite bogus rhetoric about all ‘Latinos’ being harmoniously mixed) from themselves, there is little sense of connection or ethnoblesse olige. Also, because there are so many racial gradations in the diversity of Latin American masses, they’ve been unable to form a united alliance against the ruling class.
    In contrast, in a nation like Japan or historic Sweden, functional socialist policies went further because the elites regarded the rest of the population as part of the national family. Also, the people of Japan and Sweden have believed in equal claim to the homeland. So, even though Japanese elites have more private property, they have no more claim on Japanese Nation than the native Japanese masses do. A working class Japanese has just as much claim on Japan-as-homeland as the richest Japanese oligarch does. Because all Japanese had such a powerful collective claim on the land, their demands had to be addressed by the ruling class. And same was true in Sweden. Swedish people have been there forever, and Swedish civilization goes back many centuries. Swedish elites have more personal wealth, but they are no more deserving of Sweden-as-homeland than the Swedish masses are. Because Japan-as-homeland belongs equally to elites and masses, the elites must be mindful of the masses as fellow nationals. And because even working class Swedes have roots going back centuries(even millennia if we count the barbarian eras), the Swedish elites must recognize them as co-owners of the nation. So, Japanese masses and Swedish masses aren’t merely rent-seekers or nomadic boarders but co-owners of the nation as ‘sacred homeland’. That implies a lot of moral power and legitimacy among the people. It suggests a concept of claim-and-ownership that goes beyond private property(of libertarianism). According to the notion of private property, your worth counts only on the individual level of personal possession and contract. If you have a lot, you are a winner. If you have little, you’re a loser.
    In contrast, if there is a concept of National Property, even the poorest person of the nation has something precious. Even he has a ‘covenant’ with the nation, a deeper concept than capital or constitution. Value by capital is about who has more money. Value by constitution is about protections under the law. Covenant, in contrast, says your connection to the land is sacred and eternal. Israeli nationalism is based on the covenant. You could be a Jew living in a goy nation, and your ancestors could have been away from the Holy Land for 1000 yrs. But as a Jew, you have an eternal connection & covenant with the land of Israel. It goes beyond capital and is deeper than constitution.

    A person is pulled by two forces: tribalism and elitism. On the tribal level, a person instinctively feels closer to his own kind. And yet, he also wants to be with the ‘best’, whatever the cost in terms of tribal solidarity.
    On the one hand, a white person has an instinctive feeling of closeness with fellow whites. However, in his ambition for riches and privilege, he may wish to identify more with Bread than Blood. While the world of success could be overwhelmingly white, it could also be highly diverse with many non-white actors(who are equally obsessed with position and privilege). If a white person had to choose between middle class status among whites and upper class status among globo-homo diversity, he may well choose the latter because people want MORE and BETTER(especially in a world where affluence and narcissism are the biggest idols). Immigration patterns sure bear this out. So many non-whites are eager to depart from their own ancestral lands, national kinfolk, and deep culture to start new lives in richer nations even if it means loss of identity and culture, especially among their children who racially mix with others, take up the globo-homo flag, and come to know only one lingo: American English and Ebonics.

    We don’t have much in the way of classic Marxist class-consciousness anymore, but class-outlook is bigger than ever in some ways. If Marxism placed proletarian class consciousness at the center of social, moral, and historical discourse, globalism puts elite class consciousness at the center of all things. Indeed, the promotion of homomania is less a blow against class politics than a promotion of elite-class politics. The difference from Marxism is that class discussion has moved from the needs of proles to the preferences of the globogeoisie. Homos are useful to the elites because homos are vain, narcissistic, and obsessed with riches and privilege(as with the ‘gay butler’ in WOLF OF WALL STREET).

    Anyway, in a globo-homo world where the elites of every nation mainly fixate on status, success, privilege, and connections, their main focus is not tribal connection with the native masses but neo-aristo-class affinity with other elites around the world(and especially those in the US and EU), with whom they or their kids marry. (According to Charles Murray’s COMING APART, an educated white male graduate of Harvard was likely to marry his white hometown sweetheart in an America prior to the rise of mass non-white immigration and feminism, but today, a white attendee of elite institution has a good chance of marrying a non-white based on status and connection than any other consideration.) With such as the main prerogatives of the globo-homo class, the natural tendency of globo elites is to weaken, subvert, de-legitimize, and eradicate any obstacle to their power. One of those obstacles is a sense of national obligation of the elites to the masses. And this obligation is especially powerful IF the masses are seen as co-owners of the National Property based on a ethno-historical covenant. Under such premise, the elites must regard and treat the masses as fellow nationals and comrades. But this is economically a burden to the elites. It means the masses are deserving of decent wages, protections, and benefits, all of which are expensive, demanding, and burdensome(from the vantage point of elites with limitless ambition for MORE). The native masses can make such demands AS LONG AS they have a moral claim to the nation as co-owners based on shared ethnicity, history, and territoriality. After all, it’s like the Jewish Covenant applies to all Jews, from richest to poorest. Likewise, the national covenant says even the poorest native has equal claim to the land as shared-national-property. Under the covenant theory, if we were to see a nation as a house, then everyone in the house has equal right to be there. He is a co-owner of the house. But if the covenant theory is removed, one’s place in the house becomes a matter of capital or constitution. So, those with more capital have more claim on the house because he owns more shares. Or, if residency is determined by constitution, one’s place in the house is merely that of the law. So, if the house is opened to newcomers who agree to follow house rules, they have equal claim to the house. Canadian-ness is now all about capital and constitution. If rich Hindus and Chinese arrive, they are more valuable as ‘Canadians'(due to their infusions of capital) than white working class Canadians with deep roots are. And in the US, an immigrant with citizenship(after mere 5 yrs) is just as much an American as any white person with ancestry going back 100 or more yrs. The meaning of historical covenant is negated for the founding Anglo/American stock.
    National concept based on capital favors only the elites. It’s no wonder that US white elites feel closer to Jewish elites, Asian elites, and black elites than to white masses. Nation based primarily on the constitution favors immigrant-invaders over the founding native stock. After all, if the essence of the nation is based on the Law, then any newcomer who pledges to live by those laws have equal claim on the land. What would happen to Israel if 5 million Muslims could move there and pledge to respect the liberal-democratic laws of Israel? Democracy may survive, but Israel-as-Jewish-homeland certainly won’t. Indeed, if Jewish elites in Israel only cared about their privilege and status, they might as well get rid of the ‘covenantial’ foundation of Israel and just focus on capital and constitution. They will likely make more money by replacing Jewish workers with cheaper ones and by forging closer ties with non-Jewish globalist elites than with their own tribal brethren of all classes.

    Whether it’s UK or Japan, the elites are under globo-homo mindset and think mainly in terms of status, haute class, and privilege. And they want more and more in the competition of keeping-up-with-the-globo-homonses. And in order for them to have MORE, they need access to cheaper labor and increased interaction with global capital.
    At this point, even if patriotic elites wanted a nationalist economy, it might be impossible. Suppose a globalized nation returns to nationalist mode and tries to offer decent wages and benefits to its national workers. But that would lead to higher production costs, which could mean an inability to compete on the global scale with trans-national companies that snub national interests in favor of globalist domination of market share. Pat Buchanan mentioned this problem in one of his books. Under globalism, even US companies that wanted to keep its factories in the America and hire local workers simply could not compete with companies that shipped their factories to Mexico or China. And US medical companies that stick with American-born professionals may not be able to compete with globalist companies that hire Asian-Indian professionals for 1/4 of the cost.

    Nationalism is about UNITY of elites and the masses with a shared sense of covenant of ethnicity, history, and territoriality. This can be the basis of a sound and stable nation. However, it places brakes on elite ambitions because they are forced to be mindful of the working masses not merely as employees but as fellow comrades with shared stake and ownership of the national property. Elites under nationalism feel like Guido in the opening dream sequence in Fellini’s 8 1/2. They soar up into the sky but are prevented from flying off.

    Nationalism has a kite-like effect on the elites. They rise high but remain bound to the land and folk. Globalism severs the ties to the land so that all the elite-kites could fly off and form their own globo-sky-island like the one in LAPUTA: CASTLE IN THE SKY. And once the elites are freed from the leashes of nationalism, they feel freer than ever and become obsessed with nothing but more wealth, more status, and more privilege(and with the dream of immortality and quasi-divinity, as transhumanism is about man-into-godism, or man going from worshiping gods to using science to become gods). And yet, the globalist elites also feel more vulnerable because their own people no longer trust them and turn to populist anger? But then, why should the national masses trust the globalized elites who openly renounce any notion of covenant with race, culture, and nation(which is apparently too ‘petty’ for their globalist ambition for all-the-world-as-their-oyster) and pontificate as to how the native masses must be replaced with endless waves of immigrant-invaders? To subvert and sabotage national mass revolt, the elites push Diversity, the opposite of Unity so integral to nationalism. Diversity, a tool of globalism and imperialism, turns a nation into a hodge-podge of different groups, and the diversity makes it near-impossible for collective action against the elites.

    Also, the elites see great advantage in immigrationism(or migrationism) because it undermines the ‘covenantial’ claim by the masses to the land. When UK and France were in nationalist mode, the masses had moral advantage over the ‘exploitative’ elites and could make demands on them on the basis that elites and masses shared common destiny as co-owners of the homeland. After all, nationalism emphasizes the covenant between native masses and the nation(as their sacred homeland). In contrast, globalist immigrationism or migrationism says that newcomers have just as much ‘right’ to the nation. This negates the notion of racial-historical-territorial covenant among the natives. Also, the newcomers, lacking deep roots and protected only by the constitution, don’t feel much of a claim to the land either. At most, they can argue that they have legal(or constitutional) right to live there but not much else. Thus, both native masses and newcomers are rendered into renters or rent-seekers(than co-owners) of the nation, the only real value of which has been reduced to that of capital. (Ownership is meaningless if made ‘inclusive’. If you own a car, but then, if it can be ‘owned’ and used by everyone else as well, your claim on the car becomes effectively meaningless. If White Americans are said to be owners of America but are prevented from stopping endless immigration-invasions by non-whites to also become co-owners, America comes to be owned only by the elites with capital[because private property, unlike national property, continues to remain in ‘exclusive’ mode, i.e. in the hands of the owner-class, that is unless communism does to private property what globalism does to national property; indeed, if globalism cannot be stopped, the masses should get their revenge by using communism against the globo-homo elites; if globalist elites take away your national property, take away their private property]. True ownership means you or your people get to KEEP the property than letting it fall into the hands of others. It is like marriage, which becomes pointless if you can’t keep your spouse as your special partner bound to you and only you. If your spouse must be made ‘inclusive’ to other peoples, he/she is really just a whore. While globalism makes every individual feel superficially freer as a ‘citizen of the world’, most people fail to gain anything while losing forever what was tangible and priceless: A special, even sacred, homeland.)

    Now, why don’t Jewish elites go whole hog and do likewise as the goy elites(who are, to be sure, under the thumb of Jewish elites)? If white elites and Asian elites have more to gain for themselves by ditching the National Covenant(that binds them to needs of the native masses or co-ethnics) in favor of Global Capital, why don’t Jewish elites act in the same manner? Why do Jews insist on sticking to the National Covenant?
    One reason is there are far fewer Jews in the world and many of them are in the upper-ranks. So, there is less of a burden among Jewish elites to take into consideration the well-being of Jewish masses. But what about Israel, a nation with a large number of non-rich Jews? Isn’t it an economic burden on Jewish elites to be ever mindful of less well-off Jews in Israel? Sure, but Jewish power around the world has coerced goy nations to bankroll Israel to the tune of billions of dollars a year and other favors and benefits. So, it’s not so much rich Jews taking care of lesser Jews but rich Jews making goyim take care of lesser Jews. That’s some clever thinking.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    <golf clap>

    Excellent piece.  I wish you had posted under a unique nick to make this piece easier to find and quote in the future.
  137. @Cagey Beast
    - Unlike us, white Americans are racist, so they deserved whatever it was that happened to them.

    I can't remember anyone saying that last part*. What I have heard, too many times to count, from Canadians and Europeans is: "White Americans are racist, so we can do better with our Blacks". It's almost the exact same story Americans were telling themselves about their Muslims, up until very recently.

    On the topic of White flight in Europe, I did hear Eric Zemmour mention it when discussing the Yellow Vest movement. He pointed out that one reason rising fuel costs matter to the native French protesters is that so many of the inner suburbs are now uninhabitable for them. The suburban public housing units built for them (especially the pieds-noirs) in the 1960's are now filled with dangerous vibrancy.

    * I think that's what one kind of White American says about another kind. White Americans (especially Jews) are far nastier to each other than we White foreigners are to you.

    It’s implicit though because in their version of reality, blacks do not commit crimes out of poor self-control and academically-encouraged supremacism. They think that black crime is an inescapable and brainless reaction to white evil, like water freezing at the right temperature, so if whites were less evil blacks would commit less crimes.

  138. @Kaplan Turqweather
    Plaques for Blacks in Canada:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/viola-desmond-banknote-cmhr-1.4906730

    By the way, this article doesn't mention how the old face that Desmond replaced on the $10 bill was Sir John A. MacDonald, Canada's first Prime Minister and one of the Fathers of Confederation.

    Probably most Canadians wouldn’t even know who Sir JAM was anyway. Just all part of the new “Endarkenment” of public policy, education, and history.

  139. @Hrw-500
    We could also mention some cases of "black flight" as well where cities like Compton, California who was majorly black in the early 1990s as depicted in N.W.A. video "Straight out of Compton" had become majorly hispanic.

    Yeah, for some reason blacks moved out as Hispanics moved in.
    [truly multi-cultural laughter intensifies]

  140. @Buffalo Joe
    Cagey, Canadians are gag worthy. They always point to the cinder in our eye. Canada has some of the worst racial relations between their Indigenous People and the rest of their citizens. They have moved whole tribes from reservations because they didn't have drinking water. Canada, without a history of slavery and no Jim Crow laws, still can't make their black population feel welcome.

    That may be true but:
    – American White flight is almost never discussed.
    – The theme is always that we can do race relations better, not that White Americans deserve their punishment. That comes out in American versus American fights.

  141. @Ed
    Mass migration of Africans is not going to happen due to the response of the electorate to the recent surge. Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.

    I agree with part of that: few politicians will be stupid enough to own the crisis so clearly. But a PR stunt, even a self-wounding one, is not policy, I have seen no reason to believe anything is really changing (outside of V4 and the People of Heroes under fearless Salvini), and, if it did it, would still take time to get the word to darkest Kingsland. There are still quangos doing all the actual work for the migrants. And as necessary as it is to close borders, the real task there and here is to send people home. Stopping new illegal imigration but allowing births and family reunions would be pointless.

  142. @Brabantian
    Along with 29-year-old Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, announcing that her Puerto Rican heritage included the heritage of Jews expelled from Spain -

    Israelis and Jewish leaders have begun a bold new approach, with big political implications, given that half of the world's partial Jews are estimated to be Latino-American, the same group ascendant in USA politics.

    Is a 'Latino-Jewish' USA in the works?-

    A stunning scientific study in 'Nature' - link below - indicates perhaps over 100 million Latin Americans may have some Jewish heritage, their ancestors Jews who departed Spain and Portugal in the era of Jewish expulsions on the Iberian peninsula

    Leading Jews, including Israeli government advisors such as Ashley Perry, have been urging Israel to embrace the partial-Jews of the world, who might not be technically full Jewish but have a Jewish ancestor.

    Perry is excited about the idea of '200 million with Jewish roots'. If most of this group starts 'thinking Jewish', it will be a formidable increase of Jewish power, with 10x the number of 'official' full Jews.

    The idea is that Israel and Jews are much stronger by encouraging part-Jews to mentally link up with Jews and Israel, and take pride in their part-Jewishness.

     

    The Nature study on Latin American Jewish roots -
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07748-z

    Juan Epstein was ahead of his time. All In the Family wasn’t the only show to have its finger on the pulse of America’s future.

  143. @g2k
    I suspect there maybe something to this, but I suspect that it's just passive; they made extra effort to stop this kind of thing pre-referendum and have reverted to business as usual now. I was in Calais pre- referendum and the intensity of policing had to be seen to be believed. This, of course, was only around the port and highway. The old hoverport and eastern beaches were left completely alone, so it was only a matter of time before this kind of thing happened. Very dangerous though, the channel is not the med.

    France has been breaking up camps for years now, to include having effortfully laid seige to the Jungle of Calais multiple times.
    Maybe this is because I’m not a math person, but, if you don’t deport the people, then what exactly is the point? I mean, is it like Giuliani eliminating the homeless in one place by moving them to another place in the same country? Speaking as an awful internet Nazi I’d much rather the Jungle denizens be allowed to enjoy their morning.

  144. OT, but it looks as if the #Giletsjaunes protests against Macron are continuing – “Act VII”. Paris is pretty much locked down by police (though there’s a lot of smoke round the Tour Eiffel), but elsewhere protests seem to be targeting newspapers and TV.

    Max Boot is on the case. It’s all Russia’s doing. Why, they’re even pretending it’s a “colour revolution”!

  145. @istevefan

    It worked for a while, but not so much anymore. ...you eventually run out of banlieues.
     
    The term you are looking for is carrying capacity.

    Wellllll, not exactly. The banlieue strategy is a delaying tactic. It’s helpful if you need more time to address the source problem. If you don’t use the extra time and just ignore the source problem though, it only makes matters worse because now you’ve taken on an extra dose of the problem without changing the source. It’s like taking a loan with interest. It allows you short term flexibility in exchange for longer term cost. Since an unaddressed source problem will eventually overwhelm the host society, there is no carrying capacity as such, just a threshold beyond which it is too late.

    Needless to say, Western elites have made the problem worse while ignoring the source, so … worst available course of action. They have a talent for finding this.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    Thank God they're good for something.
  146. @Brabantian
    Along with 29-year-old Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, announcing that her Puerto Rican heritage included the heritage of Jews expelled from Spain -

    Israelis and Jewish leaders have begun a bold new approach, with big political implications, given that half of the world's partial Jews are estimated to be Latino-American, the same group ascendant in USA politics.

    Is a 'Latino-Jewish' USA in the works?-

    A stunning scientific study in 'Nature' - link below - indicates perhaps over 100 million Latin Americans may have some Jewish heritage, their ancestors Jews who departed Spain and Portugal in the era of Jewish expulsions on the Iberian peninsula

    Leading Jews, including Israeli government advisors such as Ashley Perry, have been urging Israel to embrace the partial-Jews of the world, who might not be technically full Jewish but have a Jewish ancestor.

    Perry is excited about the idea of '200 million with Jewish roots'. If most of this group starts 'thinking Jewish', it will be a formidable increase of Jewish power, with 10x the number of 'official' full Jews.

    The idea is that Israel and Jews are much stronger by encouraging part-Jews to mentally link up with Jews and Israel, and take pride in their part-Jewishness.

     

    The Nature study on Latin American Jewish roots -
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07748-z

    Pretty meaningless. Jews were once one of the major ethnic groups in Central and Southern Europe. The number of Europeans and Latin American mestizos with 1% or more Jewish ancestry is surely more than 300 million. But… that doesn’t matter, because that ancestry is hundreds of years back.

    Here some data on Jewish admixture percentages Snorlax posted from National Geographic.

    6 Polish
    5 German, Iberian (Portuguese/Spanish), Romanian, Russian
    4 Czech, Egyptian, Mexican (Western US)
    3 French, Sardinian
    2 English, Georgian, Greek, Northern Caucasian (Abkhaz/Dagestani), Peruvian (Lima), Tuscan, Western (dot) Indian
    0 (>50% European only) Argentine, Bulgar, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, Greenland Inuit, Irish, Norwegian, Puerto Rican, Scots, Tatar

    https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/

    These numbers I wouldn’t take too seriously, but do convey the general point that minor and distant Jewish ancestry is extremely common among whites, and probably universal for many white ethnic groups that lived alongside large Jewish populations for long periods, in particular Italians, Spanish, Germans, Ukrainians, Greeks and Poles.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Ivanhoe's Rebecca ("Becky?!") notwithstanding, Scots never needed Hebrews around because we were already cheap, thrifty bastards enough on our own.
  147. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_Hill,_Victoria

    A suburb like Box Hill was originally white before it became East Asian, mainly Chinese. Once places become Chinese, whites feel alienated and want to move somewhere else. It sucks because our ancestors have built this infrastructure only to cede it to other people.

  148. @Buffalo Joe
    Corvinus, I thought the Colonist took all the natural resources out of the African continent before they abandoned it. Who knew resources such as gold and diamonds could replenish themselves.

    “Corvinus, I thought the Colonist took all the natural resources out of the African continent before they abandoned it.”

    They took as much as they found. Of course, there are new discoveries. As a result, there is a second run on the continent.

    “Who knew resources such as gold and diamonds could replenish themselves.”

    It’s not gold and diamonds, but rare earth metals.

  149. Anon[846] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    "But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas."

    I don't think a single neighborhood in the whole USA meets that description, if "vast homogeneous" means an area with at least 50k and 80%+ South Asian.

    Many fit that description for hispanic and black populations.

    Edison NJ is famously Indian but in the 2010 Census was 28% Indian and 44% white.

    A couple of points –

    1) the 50+ white people who once made Edison what it was are aging out and will soon be dead. Their houses will soon turn over to Indians as they mostly prefer to live amongst their own.

    See these stats for MLK Elementary where 80% of the population is Asian –
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NJ/schools/0450003354/school.aspx

    2) we are being lied to about how many Indians are being allowed into this country. Literally, everywhere I go they go. Airports, amusement parks, etc. are filled with Indians. We were at a popular Orlando amusement park last week and could not believe the number of Indians.

    • Replies: @Perspective
    The number of Indians moving to western English speaking countries is incredible, Canada alone brought in more than 50,000 permanent residents from India in 2017. India is, hypocritically, of course quite restrictive with their immigration policy. They are currently building a wall with Bangladesh and deporting about 4 million people.
    , @JMcG
    There are several developments in my area in which the real estate signs are written entirely in Hindi. Not a chance that an undesirable will even see the listing. This is in the Philadelphia metro area.
  150. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed
    Mass migration of Africans is not going to happen due to the response of the electorate to the recent surge. Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.

    Mass migration of Africans is not going to happen due to the response of the electorate to the recent surge. Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.

    Trouble is, they aren’t waiting for an invitation. This is an outright invasion, because they know the European governments will never deport them en masse. Europeans have become too weak and pacifist, a continent full of girly men. It’s time to disband NATO and give Western Europe their own arm forces, they need their mojo back.

  151. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @unpc downunder
    Well there is plenty of white flight in the UK Commonwealth. For example, in New Zealand there is a town about 60 km north of Auckland called Warkworth. The population is about 95 percent white and full of ex-pat "poms." Meanwhile whites are now less than 40 percent of the population in central Auckland.

    There are also multiple layers of white flight in the UK Commonwealth. For example, many Brits have emigrated to Australia, Canada and New Zealand because the UK is getting more crowded and dysfunctional. They arrive in Sydney, Auckland or Vancouver, but then find these cities are a big rip off and impossible to drive around. Then then move to white satellite towns or smaller provincial cities for a better quality of life.

    The difference in Canada, Australia and New Zealand, is that white flight tends to be driven by economics and lifestyle factors, rather than crime or dysfunction. Whites like space and affordable housing, while Asian immigrants have a much greater tolerance of crowding and are prepared to put up much more expensive housing.

    Don't be surprised if yellow vest movements start erupting in the next few years. As in France, the multicultural big cities can't seem to find the necessary tax revenue for essential infrastructure improvements, and provincial whites are having to pay higher fuel taxes and to subsidies the big cities (as well as put with lots of meddling by urban greens trying to close mines, shut down logging etc).

    many Brits have emigrated to Australia, Canada and New Zealand because the UK is getting more crowded and dysfunctional.

    Just about every single Brit I’ve met in the US, especially the women, is an open border cheerleader and major effing libtard. Not just that but many of them are extremely condescending towards native born Americans and love to cozy up to any Indian in sight like they are their long lost cousins. Why the F did these morons leave the UK in the first place, so they can F up another country? No thanks to more British immivasion. There’s a reason why we kicked these mofos out in 1776 and again 1812. GTFB to the UK!

    Same goes for the Germans!

  152. @Brabantian
    Along with 29-year-old Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, announcing that her Puerto Rican heritage included the heritage of Jews expelled from Spain -

    Israelis and Jewish leaders have begun a bold new approach, with big political implications, given that half of the world's partial Jews are estimated to be Latino-American, the same group ascendant in USA politics.

    Is a 'Latino-Jewish' USA in the works?-

    A stunning scientific study in 'Nature' - link below - indicates perhaps over 100 million Latin Americans may have some Jewish heritage, their ancestors Jews who departed Spain and Portugal in the era of Jewish expulsions on the Iberian peninsula

    Leading Jews, including Israeli government advisors such as Ashley Perry, have been urging Israel to embrace the partial-Jews of the world, who might not be technically full Jewish but have a Jewish ancestor.

    Perry is excited about the idea of '200 million with Jewish roots'. If most of this group starts 'thinking Jewish', it will be a formidable increase of Jewish power, with 10x the number of 'official' full Jews.

    The idea is that Israel and Jews are much stronger by encouraging part-Jews to mentally link up with Jews and Israel, and take pride in their part-Jewishness.

     

    The Nature study on Latin American Jewish roots -
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07748-z

    Geraldo Rivera comes to mind.

  153. Other nations see the problem and speak openly about it.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5431917,00.html

    Having free speech is a great benefit, if you want to try and avoid more problems in the future.

  154. @unpc downunder
    Well there is plenty of white flight in the UK Commonwealth. For example, in New Zealand there is a town about 60 km north of Auckland called Warkworth. The population is about 95 percent white and full of ex-pat "poms." Meanwhile whites are now less than 40 percent of the population in central Auckland.

    There are also multiple layers of white flight in the UK Commonwealth. For example, many Brits have emigrated to Australia, Canada and New Zealand because the UK is getting more crowded and dysfunctional. They arrive in Sydney, Auckland or Vancouver, but then find these cities are a big rip off and impossible to drive around. Then then move to white satellite towns or smaller provincial cities for a better quality of life.

    The difference in Canada, Australia and New Zealand, is that white flight tends to be driven by economics and lifestyle factors, rather than crime or dysfunction. Whites like space and affordable housing, while Asian immigrants have a much greater tolerance of crowding and are prepared to put up much more expensive housing.

    Don't be surprised if yellow vest movements start erupting in the next few years. As in France, the multicultural big cities can't seem to find the necessary tax revenue for essential infrastructure improvements, and provincial whites are having to pay higher fuel taxes and to subsidies the big cities (as well as put with lots of meddling by urban greens trying to close mines, shut down logging etc).

    Good final point. Look at the Adern decision to put the kibosh on oil exploration in Taranaki.

  155. Le Parisien newspaper offices torched. I assume and certainly hope they were empty for the holiday. This follows the siege of Macron’s pleasuredome.


    This, from Anon:

    Anonymous (ID: FJqUKAb6)
    12/29/18(Sat)18:35:53 No.198145333

    >>198144904 #

    Us, Yellow Vests.
    Also Yesterday we blocked “Ouest France” press delivery and made sure none of the 180.000newspaper could reach the stores.

  156. @Simon in London
    There are still substantial numbers of white working class in London - I live opposite a council estate that is majority wwc. BUT there are few white working class children. Their daughters mostly make brown babies with black fathers, and fertility rates are very low compared to the Somalis and south Asians. But my local pub is still full of wwc boozers, and I'm about the closest thing to a hipster. There is a sign at the bar "This is a community pub - mind your language".

    Now many of the wwc may be descended from Irish immigrants rather than native English. The local church is quasi-Catholic.

    Is that race mixing thing real? Never heard of this before.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    Yes. I am on vacation in northern rural Scotland. I have seen one black man - with his white wife and mixed daughter.
  157. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brabantian
    USA people, often think they are the only people owning guns in the world, with ideas that 'guns are banned in Europe' etc

    When actually, e.g., there are maybe around 75 to 100 million legal civilian-owned handguns, rifles and shotguns in Europe ... There are pistol-shooting clubs in Europe's capital, Brussels

    Europeans are much more internet-discreet about guns and gold that they own, whereas Yanks talk about these things a lot

    In Europe, there tends to be more bureaucracy around gun purchases, and sadly, 'concealed carry' permits are rare and difficult to obtain, but there are boatloads of guns in civilian hands. Some French farmers have arsenals that rural Americans would envy.

    Useful site for worldwide firearms factoids, including estimates of gun ownership and possession by country:
    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/home

    In the USA, it seems that the 'gun rights' issue was cleverly used by the oligarchy to help distract USA citizens losing many of their other rights, with the 'right to concealed carry' law wave there from the 1990s onwards, whilst the USA in general became a lot more oppressive, mass jailings, police asset seizures, divorce court financial rapes, etc.

    And it is not clear that the psychologically beaten-down USA people would actually be willing to use their guns for revolt

    USA government gun confiscation experiments have been successful in 'crisis' episodes, e.g., Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, and that dodgy 'Boston Marathan' bombing, uniformed officers went door to door and found citizens meekly turned over their guns

    It will be interesting as Bolsonaro loosens up private gun ownership laws in Brazil, to see if crime is reduced

    There are scads of old guns, legal or otherwise, in French, Italian and Spanish hands, which is why Fiocchi and other Euro ammo makers make long obsolete cartridges in batches. Many go to the US and back to their homelands wrapped in a sock. The French supplied pinfire cartridges until recent memory!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I'm reading Stephen Hunter's JFK conspiracy theory thriller "The Third Bullet" and in 2013, Bob Lee Stagger goes to a big sporting goods store and buys a box of the same bullets Lee Harvey Oswald used for his Italian rifle, bullets designed in the 19th Century to fight the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the South Tyrol.
  158. White Flight is everywhere.

    1). Britain (my info is a bit out of date)

    The East End is now Bengali. The whites who lived there have now moved to the soulless satellite town around London like Stevenage and Basildon.

    Witney in Oxfordshire had grown from 5,000 to 25,000 and the accent has changed from Oxfordshire to Brummie/Estuarine.

    Comprehensive schools are all supposed to be the same. They are not. In West Oxfordshire, Burford Grammar is the best and Wood Green in Witney is the worst. House prices in catchment areas with “a snooty comp” are massively higher.

    Middle class people will give some silly reason for moving away. The denizens of the rougher end of Witney will tell you openly.

    The surge of refugees from the cities means that rural English dialects are now mainly extinct.

    2). In New Zealand, you pretend you want to get back to your rural roots and so you buy a “life-style block” where you keep a couple of alpacas and plant an olive tree of two. That means your kids can avoid going to low-decile schools with a largely Tongan intake.

    Lifestyle blocks make the countryside look scruffy, they take up valuable agricultural land and they force people to commute for hours a day. My wife calls them housing estates with ponies. Small rural towns usually have a great sense of community. Life-style blocks have none. Some people jokingly call them life-sentence blocks.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    Judging by real estate prices, the lifestyle block thing seems to have gone out of fashion. Lifestyle blocks are pretty cheap compared with urban houses. These days the Australasian dream seems to be a new, low-maintenance house in a country town about forty minutes drive from a larger city. That will set you back about half a million or so in American dollars.
  159. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    It astounds me that the muslim car-b-q burners in France never seem to wind up in the burn ward, what with all that petrol flying around. I bet if at least one of them wound up being severely burned, his fellow muslims would visit him and one whiff of the smell would correct much of this once word got out. Burns are a terrible thing.

  160. @Simon in London
    There are still substantial numbers of white working class in London - I live opposite a council estate that is majority wwc. BUT there are few white working class children. Their daughters mostly make brown babies with black fathers, and fertility rates are very low compared to the Somalis and south Asians. But my local pub is still full of wwc boozers, and I'm about the closest thing to a hipster. There is a sign at the bar "This is a community pub - mind your language".

    Now many of the wwc may be descended from Irish immigrants rather than native English. The local church is quasi-Catholic.

    Yes, when I saw all the working class white women in London going around with black guys (circa 1995-2005) I wondered where all the working class white guys were. They probably haven’t emigrated as they don’t have the job skills to get into Canada or Australia. I’d suspect a lot have moved to other parts of the UK for manual jobs. In the 60s and 70s lots of Celtic whites moved to London, but when the Celtic economies improved in the 90s and 00s they started moving out again. The women may have stayed behind to do low level service jobs.

  161. @Tyrion 2

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on – the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.
     
    This is true and strikingly different from the States.

    Another, not unrelated difference, is that the black population in the UK is now mostly* from the African upper middle classes and the South Asian Muslim population was often from textile factory worker populations. In the US, selection effects are the other way around.

    The previous Afro-Carribean population was relatively small and is all about assimilated away.

    Another, not unrelated difference, is that the black population in the UK is now mostly* from the African upper middle classes and the South Asian Muslim population was often from textile factory worker populations. In the US, selection effects are the other way around.

    The previous Afro-Carribean population was relatively small and is all about assimilated away.

    Yet blacks still commit the majority of violent crime in London:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#Race_and_crime_in_London

    Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007 an estimated 10.6 percent of London’s population of 7,556,900 were black

    In June 2010, through a Freedom of Information Act request, The Sunday Telegraph obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.

  162. @Bill B.
    The problem in France is nasty because, as Christophe Guilluy has pointed out, the principle cities have become centers of elite privilege each surrounded by a donut of ugly housing estates that hold the servant/helot class made up of migrants; very often Muslim.

    Ordinary whites have found themselves priced out of the center of cities yet unable to stomach the alienation and insecurity of living in the increasingly unwelcoming outer city zones. Endless hand-wringing academic and pseudo-journalistic articles have been written about how disadvantaged and cut off from mainstream France the migrants are, yet, as least for now, the migrants at least have a chance to thrive (relative to their home countries) and establish their own half-French - at best - communities.

    The lower and even middle class whites by contrast are increasingly cut-off from the engines of prosperity and becoming desperate. This is the key behind the Yellow Jacket/French deplorables protests. (The threat to raise petrol/gas prices stung because - unlike the city-hugging new migrant class - whites have to drive rather long distances to what work there is.) As Guilley says:

    The globalised metropolises are the new citadels of the 21st century – rich and unequal, where even the former lower-middle class no longer has a place. Instead, large global cities work on a dual dynamic: gentrification and immigration. This is the paradox: the open society results in a world increasingly closed to the majority of working people.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/02/france-is-deeply-fractured-gilets-jeunes-just-a-symptom

    Christopher Caldwell:

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/french-coming-apart-15125.html

    Heh. So the elites are holed up in the inner city, more or less surrounded, but fortified so nobody bad can get in. This looks like a strategic strength that will see them through times of trouble.

    Murphy’s law: If you’re defenses are so strong that nobody can get in, then _you_ can’t get _out_. It’s net another a strategic weakness. See Copley’s book _Uncivilization_. Also consider the Yellow Vests. The “elite” have impoverished the countryside, surrounded themselves with hostiles in the suburbs, and I suspect that keeping the hostile suburbs quiet is dependent on collecting new taxes form the countryside. Their next move will be to tell the countryside to eat cake and pay taxes, the French version of the US “Shut up and sit down”. It’s the sort of thing the elites would think the height of cleverness.

    Couldn’t happen? Here’s a real story.
    A person I knew in the Army went do a downtown bar, drank himself half insensible, and was thrown in the drunk tank. It had one toilet, and he sat down on it and stayed there, being drunk and a bit tired. Several people asked him to get up, and get up he did. According to him, his last memory that night was of himself saying “I can beat any man in this room!!!”. He had quite a few bruises when he told the story, so I tend to believe it.
    Do you think the French elites would do better? The US elites don’t do better,why should the French?

    Counterinsurgency.

  163. @Almost Missouri
    Wellllll, not exactly. The banlieue strategy is a delaying tactic. It's helpful if you need more time to address the source problem. If you don't use the extra time and just ignore the source problem though, it only makes matters worse because now you've taken on an extra dose of the problem without changing the source. It's like taking a loan with interest. It allows you short term flexibility in exchange for longer term cost. Since an unaddressed source problem will eventually overwhelm the host society, there is no carrying capacity as such, just a threshold beyond which it is too late.

    Needless to say, Western elites have made the problem worse while ignoring the source, so ... worst available course of action. They have a talent for finding this.

    Thank God they’re good for something.

  164. @22pp22
    White Flight is everywhere.

    1). Britain (my info is a bit out of date)

    The East End is now Bengali. The whites who lived there have now moved to the soulless satellite town around London like Stevenage and Basildon.

    Witney in Oxfordshire had grown from 5,000 to 25,000 and the accent has changed from Oxfordshire to Brummie/Estuarine.

    Comprehensive schools are all supposed to be the same. They are not. In West Oxfordshire, Burford Grammar is the best and Wood Green in Witney is the worst. House prices in catchment areas with "a snooty comp" are massively higher.

    Middle class people will give some silly reason for moving away. The denizens of the rougher end of Witney will tell you openly.

    The surge of refugees from the cities means that rural English dialects are now mainly extinct.

    2). In New Zealand, you pretend you want to get back to your rural roots and so you buy a "life-style block" where you keep a couple of alpacas and plant an olive tree of two. That means your kids can avoid going to low-decile schools with a largely Tongan intake.

    Lifestyle blocks make the countryside look scruffy, they take up valuable agricultural land and they force people to commute for hours a day. My wife calls them housing estates with ponies. Small rural towns usually have a great sense of community. Life-style blocks have none. Some people jokingly call them life-sentence blocks.

    Judging by real estate prices, the lifestyle block thing seems to have gone out of fashion. Lifestyle blocks are pretty cheap compared with urban houses. These days the Australasian dream seems to be a new, low-maintenance house in a country town about forty minutes drive from a larger city. That will set you back about half a million or so in American dollars.

  165. @Tiny Duck
    Won't matter because white girls are atttacted to Black Men. The future is black and brown. There will be no whites to run in the future because white men are wimpy while Black Men are desirable.

    Yep. Combat, Glory, and the Loot of Empire! You appear to be describing the rape part of the Loot.

  166. @John
    I think Steve's point was more whether Europeans even talk about white flight than whether Europe actually has had it (or will have it). To judge from the comments already posted, I'd say the answers to those questions are no and yes respectively. I was going to suggest that when you wonder if a familiar (or all-too-familiar) concept exists in other cultures, try the following: look it up on English Wikipedia, then look under the Languages column. I must admit, however, that the presence of a link to, say, Farsi, or Russian - which "White Flight" does show - does not necessarily mean Persians or Russians are really worried about this. (And if they are, so what?) It may show only that Wikipedia attracts a lot of people with time on their hands. Some time ago I posted elsewhere a piece titled "Islamic Vacation Getaways," behind a paywall luckily for you, in which I examined the Turkish Wikipedia articles for Balkan-peninsula cities, places I knew Turks do go through if traveling overland between Turkey and Europe. Long ago I'd read a story of Turks complaining of Yugoslavs' gypping them at gas stations. I found it notable that Zagreb and Belgrade got the biggest and most enthusiastic writeups; Ljubljana and Sofiya were of minor interest; but these articles were mostly done by a multilingual Turk who pretty much just translated the English-language ones. I could not infer great pan-Anatolian fascination with the subject.

    Back to "White Flight," I do think it slightly significant that there are no Portuguese or Slovene links. Although comments posted to news sites in these languages can be marvelously candid, it is generally the case that full-time writers in Portugal and Slovenia badly want to look and sound oh-so-European, and if they are quiet on a subject, that is intentional. (I can't prove this, but it does strike me from grammar and usage that Portuguese Wikipedia gets a disproportionate number of contributions from Portuguese, not Brazilians. I did once question, on a talk tab, a certain item, and in minutes I got an appreciative answer from an editor in Portugal. It was about that country's one Nobel Prizewinner, who had been rewarded for advances in lobotomies; the article said the Senegalese prime minister had praised him for his work on Gypsies; I had noted that at the time, Senegal did not have a prime minister.)

    …look it up on English Wikipedia, then look under the Languages column.

    First thing to come to my mind, too. I’ve been doing this for city renamings. The Scandinavian languages have long used native names (eg, “Moskva”), but it’s become quite the fad in English (“Mumbai”, “Beijing”,”Yangon”). Other European languages stick to the tried-and-true (“Turijn”,”Mailand”.) The Turinese wanted us to call their city “Torino” for the Olympics. But that would have been free advertising for used Ford dealers.

    Anyway, here’s French:

    White Flight (en français, la fuite des blancs)

    En France

    En France, les quartiers à forte concentration allogène étant traditionnellement situés hors des centres historiques ou dans des zonages urbains bien définis, le phénomène semble avoir épargné le centre des grandes agglomérations. Exception notable cependant : les centres-villes historiques de villes du sud de la France, y compris de villes qualifiées de moyenne ou de grande. Lorsqu’il n’y a pas eu remplacement de population à cause du déclin général, les maisons abandonnées par les populations originelles sont restées en friche. Castelnaudary, où le nombre de maisons abandonnées dans le centre-ville historique, dans la ville haute, est assez important, illustre cette fuite, motivée notamment par le mauvais état des logements anciens, la promiscuité et, à certains endroits, par le manque d’ensoleillement.

    Toutefois on peut dresser un parallèle avec la France périphérique : pour certaines grandes villes, notamment Paris et sa petite couronne, les populations modestes blanches sont parties s’installer en lointaine banlieue voire dans la campagne, alimentant le phénomène de périurbanisation, tandis qu’elles ont été remplacées par des populations précaires d’origine immigrée ou par des populations plus riches. Parfois – c’est le cas notamment du quartier parisien de Belleville2 ou encore de celui de Barbès3 – la population d’origine, des classes moyennes blanches, est d’abord remplacée par des populations précaires d’origine immigrée, qui sont ensuite chassées vers la banlieue par la hausse des prix engendrée par la gentrification.

    En France, en dépit des difficultés liées à de telles études dues au fait que les données sur l’ascendance (pays et nationalité de naissance des parents) ne sont collectées que dans les grandes enquêtes de l’Insee et ce uniquement depuis une dizaine d’années et non dans les recensements, on observe une augmentation des concentrations ethniques depuis la fin des années 1960. Alors que la « proportion de jeunes d’origine étrangère est restée relativement stable, en moyenne, dans les communes de moins de 10 000 habitants, elle s’est considérablement accrue dans les communes d’au moins 30 000 habitants où elle approche ou dépasse 35 %, en moyenne, en 2011. »4 Elle est loin de ne toucher que les plus grandes métropoles. Ainsi, la ville de Blois, voit sa proportion de jeunes d’origine étrangère passer de 5 % en 1968 à 40 % en 20114.

    À l’intérieur d’une même ville, la ségrégation peut être plus ou moins marquée selon les quartiers où les populations d’origine étrangère sont anormalement concentrées ou non dans certains quartiers. À Mantes-la-Jolie, la proportion de jeunes d’origine non européenne est de 61 % mais dépasse 85 % dans certains iris (unité territoriale de base du recensement) mais reste inférieure ou égale à 30 % dans d’autres4. La commune de Clichy-sous-Bois, est celle où la concentration ethnique est la plus élevée4.

    Au Royaume-Uni

    Le phénomène a été également bien étudié au Royaume-Uni. Pour la démographe Michèle Tribalat, l’une des explications est que « les processus de concentration et de ségrégation sont très anxiogènes pour les autochtones lorsqu’ils deviennent minoritaires et voient se transformer leur environnement. »4. En 2016, à Blackburn a des quartiers 95 % dont des habitants sont originaires de minorités ethniques. À Slough, la population « blanche » est passée de 58,3 % en 2001 à 34,5 % en 2011. Dans le quartier de Savile Town de Dewsbury, le dernier recensement a dénombré que seules 48 des 4 033 personnes vivant dans la commune étaient des Blancs britanniques5. Plus généralement si ont observe la capitale Londres, les blancs britanniques de souche représentait 58 % de la population au début des années 2000, ils représentent 43% en 2011.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Flight#En_France

    My French is rusty*, and I wouldn’t trust Google (their translating skills get better, but their politics get worse). So if someone more fluent wants to translate or summarize that, please have at it.

    * Eg, “la promiscuité”? Is that a false friend, or are they really modern-day Lots?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's been a long time since used car dealers had Torinos. You'd need an auction house or a vintage car place like Car Wash Charlie in St. Louis.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Eg, “la promiscuité”? Is that a false friend, or are they really modern-day Lots?

    Yeah, it's a false friend. It means "the lack of privacy" and "overcrowding".
    , @theMann
    I think "la promiscuite" means crowding or lack of privacy in this case.

    Unless Castelnaudary is some kind of swingers haven. Unlikely, whatever rap you might make about secular France, they have never embraced the English speaking world's habit of systematic sexual degeneracy.
  167. @Corvinus
    "The Great Migration of 6 or 7 million African-Americans from the South to Northern cities in the 1940s-1970s contributed heavily to white flight to the suburbs"

    The Great Migration was in large part caused by black people seeking to escape Jim Crow laws and being drawn to economic opportunities in northern factories. Like ANY migration, there will be a "flight" of people from one neighborhood to another neighborhood. If you look at the influx of the Irish in the 1840's and 1850's, for example, they ended up taking over the neighborhoods of the English and Scottish, who eventually moved to other areas. Furthermore, a major impetus of 1950's white flight was that veterans on the GI Bill had steady income and had larger families; thus, they sought to live a more comfortable lifestyle given their new found affluence. They found cheap land and housing out in the suburbs. Naturally, "newer" groups moved into the homes the whites left.

    "Greater Migration of blacks out of Africa of one or two orders of magnitude greater than the Great Migration that caused so much havoc in 20th Century urban America."

    Of course, a wide range of factors caused havoc in urban areas.

    An oldie but a goodie...

    file:///Users/teacher/Downloads/Breger,%20G.%20E.%201967%20-%20The%20concept%20and%20causes%20of%20urban%20blight.pdf

    And, of course, a current standby...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_decay

    "Urban decay (also known as urban rot and urban blight) is the sociological process by which a previously functioning city, or part of a city, falls into disrepair and decrepitude. It may feature deindustrialization, depopulation or deurbanization, economic restructuring, abandoned buildings and infrastructure, high local unemployment, fragmented families, political disenfranchisement, crime, and a desolate cityscape, known as greyfield or urban prairie."

    Naturally, Mr. Sailer is isolating one factor as being the primary cause. How Alt Right of him to NOTICE.

    "So what do other countries think about this prospect?"

    Considering that greedy Europeans colonized Africa, extracted its resources for its own designs, moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the "benefit" of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?

    Of course, one hopes that African economic growth will help to address the concern that potentially will disrupt "white countries".

    https://qz.com/africa/1179387/africas-economic-outlook-is-promising-for-2018-but-there-clouds-on-the-horizon/

    http://www.itnewsafrica.com/2018/05/top-10-fastest-growing-economies-in-africa-2018/

    Although, I suppose one potential solution is for the Alt Right to pool their vast financial resources to hire Blackwater to poison Africans. Put something in their drinking water, let them all perish, and then we simply loot the continent.

    In the AD 1930s it was common for the sons of Republican businessmen to enter the Ivy League universities and emerge as Democratic / Progressive stalwarts. When complained to about this, the universities would attribute the change to “youthful rebellion”, a claim often accepted. The universities never did comment on the complete absence of students who entered as Democratic / Progressive stalwarts and emerge as Republicans.

    Plausible doesn’t mean correct, even if reinforced by contempt. An argument from contempt disgraces the person giving it.

    And as for your characterization of the Alt Right, that’s simple defamation.

    Try some real arguments.

    Counterinsurgency

  168. @anon
    I would say whites need to relocate to states like WY and WV and make them great again. Unfortunately majority of whites who relocate from high cost coastal areas to inland are die hard Demotards and take their voting habits with them.

    The Seattle Times had an article not too long ago by some indignant columnist who said after decades of living in Seattle he had finally had it, he was moving east, across Lake Washington, to conservative Snohomish county, because he was upset that when he went to complain to the city council rep. in his district about the homeless littering and shitting in his front yard, she dared accuse him, the grandson of a holocaust survivor, of being a "Nazi".

    Lots of people commented on that article that he'll just bring his toxic politics to Snohomish and turn it into another libtard zone like Seattle, like when Californians moved to Seattle, Denver and Portland to escape high taxes -- they turned these places blue, now they are infecting Idaho. Even within the same state, the migration of the libtard tribe is the main reason why so many suburbs turned blue in 2018 -- (((whites))), single women, blacks, latinos, gays are moving to the suburbs in record numbers, displaced by homeless and "gentrification".

    "White flight" is not always a blessing to their new communities. Sometimes it could be a downright curse.

    Yep, population flight from cities, no matter the ethnic group, is a major destabilizer. The country and town people can see the future, and as things are it dosen’t include them.

    Counterinsurgency

  169. @GermanReader2
    According to tino sanandaji, who has written a bestseller in Sweden about the problems caused by non western mass migration to Sweden, swedes start moving once the share of non western people in their neighborhood reaches 4 percent. Funnily enough, people who have moved out of a diverse neighborhood into a significantly less one, are More likely to say, that it is important to live in a diverse neighborhood than the average swede.

    Funnily enough, people who have moved out of a diverse neighborhood into a significantly less one, are More likely to say, that it is important to live in a diverse neighborhood than the average swede.

    Cognitive dissonance and doublethink. It’s what’s for dinner.

    My father is like this. Moved away from diversity to a wealthy all-White island in Washington state, claims to love diversity.

  170. @Reg Cæsar

    ...look it up on English Wikipedia, then look under the Languages column.

     

    First thing to come to my mind, too. I've been doing this for city renamings. The Scandinavian languages have long used native names (eg, "Moskva"), but it's become quite the fad in English ("Mumbai", "Beijing","Yangon"). Other European languages stick to the tried-and-true ("Turijn","Mailand".) The Turinese wanted us to call their city "Torino" for the Olympics. But that would have been free advertising for used Ford dealers.

    Anyway, here's French:


    White Flight (en français, la fuite des blancs)

    En France

    En France, les quartiers à forte concentration allogène étant traditionnellement situés hors des centres historiques ou dans des zonages urbains bien définis, le phénomène semble avoir épargné le centre des grandes agglomérations. Exception notable cependant : les centres-villes historiques de villes du sud de la France, y compris de villes qualifiées de moyenne ou de grande. Lorsqu'il n'y a pas eu remplacement de population à cause du déclin général, les maisons abandonnées par les populations originelles sont restées en friche. Castelnaudary, où le nombre de maisons abandonnées dans le centre-ville historique, dans la ville haute, est assez important, illustre cette fuite, motivée notamment par le mauvais état des logements anciens, la promiscuité et, à certains endroits, par le manque d'ensoleillement.

    Toutefois on peut dresser un parallèle avec la France périphérique : pour certaines grandes villes, notamment Paris et sa petite couronne, les populations modestes blanches sont parties s'installer en lointaine banlieue voire dans la campagne, alimentant le phénomène de périurbanisation, tandis qu'elles ont été remplacées par des populations précaires d'origine immigrée ou par des populations plus riches. Parfois - c'est le cas notamment du quartier parisien de Belleville2 ou encore de celui de Barbès3 - la population d'origine, des classes moyennes blanches, est d'abord remplacée par des populations précaires d'origine immigrée, qui sont ensuite chassées vers la banlieue par la hausse des prix engendrée par la gentrification.

    En France, en dépit des difficultés liées à de telles études dues au fait que les données sur l’ascendance (pays et nationalité de naissance des parents) ne sont collectées que dans les grandes enquêtes de l’Insee et ce uniquement depuis une dizaine d’années et non dans les recensements, on observe une augmentation des concentrations ethniques depuis la fin des années 1960. Alors que la « proportion de jeunes d’origine étrangère est restée relativement stable, en moyenne, dans les communes de moins de 10 000 habitants, elle s’est considérablement accrue dans les communes d’au moins 30 000 habitants où elle approche ou dépasse 35 %, en moyenne, en 2011. »4 Elle est loin de ne toucher que les plus grandes métropoles. Ainsi, la ville de Blois, voit sa proportion de jeunes d’origine étrangère passer de 5 % en 1968 à 40 % en 20114.

    À l'intérieur d'une même ville, la ségrégation peut être plus ou moins marquée selon les quartiers où les populations d’origine étrangère sont anormalement concentrées ou non dans certains quartiers. À Mantes-la-Jolie, la proportion de jeunes d’origine non européenne est de 61 % mais dépasse 85 % dans certains iris (unité territoriale de base du recensement) mais reste inférieure ou égale à 30 % dans d’autres4. La commune de Clichy-sous-Bois, est celle où la concentration ethnique est la plus élevée4.

    Au Royaume-Uni

    Le phénomène a été également bien étudié au Royaume-Uni. Pour la démographe Michèle Tribalat, l'une des explications est que « les processus de concentration et de ségrégation sont très anxiogènes pour les autochtones lorsqu’ils deviennent minoritaires et voient se transformer leur environnement. »4. En 2016, à Blackburn a des quartiers 95 % dont des habitants sont originaires de minorités ethniques. À Slough, la population « blanche » est passée de 58,3 % en 2001 à 34,5 % en 2011. Dans le quartier de Savile Town de Dewsbury, le dernier recensement a dénombré que seules 48 des 4 033 personnes vivant dans la commune étaient des Blancs britanniques5. Plus généralement si ont observe la capitale Londres, les blancs britanniques de souche représentait 58 % de la population au début des années 2000, ils représentent 43% en 2011.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Flight#En_France
     

    My French is rusty*, and I wouldn't trust Google (their translating skills get better, but their politics get worse). So if someone more fluent wants to translate or summarize that, please have at it.

    * Eg, "la promiscuité"? Is that a false friend, or are they really modern-day Lots?

    It’s been a long time since used car dealers had Torinos. You’d need an auction house or a vintage car place like Car Wash Charlie in St. Louis.

  171. “la promiscuité”? Is that a false friend, or are they really modern-day Lots?

    It simply means “overcrowding”. Promiscuity is promiscuité sexuelle in French.

    In English, that sentence would be:

    When, because of overall decline, there has been no population replacement, the houses abandoned by the original residents have remained derelict. One example is Castelnaudary, which has a fairly large number of abandoned houses in its historic downtown area, in the upper town. This flight was driven notably by the poor condition of the former dwellings, [by] overcrowding and, in some places, by lack of sunlight.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    White flight in Castelnaudary?

    Christ. This is awful.

    I knocked around France, mostly the south, for a couple of years in the 70s and found it sublime and, happily, cheap enough for even an itinerant grape-picker to live there. I was thrilled by almost every bar, cafe, park, village square, riverside bench. The vibrancy appeared very thinly spread; although Marseille had numbers of black guys hanging outside of couscous shops.

    Many of the Europeans I talk to are worldly, sophisticated but complacent. Big city ghettos are one thing; scorched earth vibrancy another.

    (High-trust, community-minded people might be able to live comfortably in densely packed old towns but the vibrant and transient are a disaster. That at least is my observation. The 'new urbanists' proposing to re-invent medieval cities are alternative to high rise destruction never seem to account for this.)
  172. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @GermanReader2
    In my opinion, there are some peoples for which the optimal percentage in your country is zero.

    If you could handle it as is done in certain Middle Eastern countries where you let in the people for a limited period of time and then kick them out, e.g., the Filipino domestic workers, and you really kick them out, no exceptions, no visa overstayers (i.e., visa overstaying gets you in prision, not deported), then you could maintain order.

    Japan’s new bill is supposedly for five year stays, but you can already hear big business moaning, “We trained them and they are just getting to where we are making our money back; let them become permanent residents!”

  173. @Alec Leamas
    I have a fanciful hypothetical to put to you -

    Let us say we live in an alternative Universe identical to this one in all other respects except that there is no influx of migrants from the Middle East and Northern Africa into Europe, but instead there had occurred some catastrophic event in the Southern United States which instigated a "migration" of a few million whites from rural Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, and Georgia. Their culture and rates of crime and delinquency are the same as the white populations of those States as they are today in our Universe. Many of them - roughly the same numbers as the MENA migrants - wish to settle permanently in Sweden.

    In this alternate Universe would Sweden's political situation be more welcoming of "migrants," less welcoming of "migrants," or would there be no change?

    Never mind Sweden, how welcoming would places like Seattle, Portland, SF, LA, Chicago, St. Louis, DC, Baltimore, Philly, and NY be if there was an internal migration of let’s say 20 million lower class southern and Appalachian whites to them over the course of a couple of decades?

    My guess is that the media and politicians would be quite open in discussing their educational and cultural shortcomings, and tolerance for additional crime and cost of social services would be extremely limited.

    • Replies: @anon
    You don't have to guess. This already happened during and after the great depression as poor Southern whites moved to northern cities and the west coast for work.
    Thomas Sowell documents the very negative northern reaction to the unruly southerners.
    , @Corn
    If 200,000 white Kentuckians and West Virginians started to migrate to California then California would build a wall along the Nevada and Arizona state lines.
  174. @John
    I think Steve's point was more whether Europeans even talk about white flight than whether Europe actually has had it (or will have it). To judge from the comments already posted, I'd say the answers to those questions are no and yes respectively. I was going to suggest that when you wonder if a familiar (or all-too-familiar) concept exists in other cultures, try the following: look it up on English Wikipedia, then look under the Languages column. I must admit, however, that the presence of a link to, say, Farsi, or Russian - which "White Flight" does show - does not necessarily mean Persians or Russians are really worried about this. (And if they are, so what?) It may show only that Wikipedia attracts a lot of people with time on their hands. Some time ago I posted elsewhere a piece titled "Islamic Vacation Getaways," behind a paywall luckily for you, in which I examined the Turkish Wikipedia articles for Balkan-peninsula cities, places I knew Turks do go through if traveling overland between Turkey and Europe. Long ago I'd read a story of Turks complaining of Yugoslavs' gypping them at gas stations. I found it notable that Zagreb and Belgrade got the biggest and most enthusiastic writeups; Ljubljana and Sofiya were of minor interest; but these articles were mostly done by a multilingual Turk who pretty much just translated the English-language ones. I could not infer great pan-Anatolian fascination with the subject.

    Back to "White Flight," I do think it slightly significant that there are no Portuguese or Slovene links. Although comments posted to news sites in these languages can be marvelously candid, it is generally the case that full-time writers in Portugal and Slovenia badly want to look and sound oh-so-European, and if they are quiet on a subject, that is intentional. (I can't prove this, but it does strike me from grammar and usage that Portuguese Wikipedia gets a disproportionate number of contributions from Portuguese, not Brazilians. I did once question, on a talk tab, a certain item, and in minutes I got an appreciative answer from an editor in Portugal. It was about that country's one Nobel Prizewinner, who had been rewarded for advances in lobotomies; the article said the Senegalese prime minister had praised him for his work on Gypsies; I had noted that at the time, Senegal did not have a prime minister.)

    Wikipedia articles per capita is a good proxy for general level of civilization. I love how so many villages in Western Europe with under 500 residents have big detailed articles.

  175. “and you get beaten up by blacks who though they worked still got the sack”

    — 1973, The Who, Quadrophenia, “Helpless Dancer”

  176. @Alec Leamas
    I have a fanciful hypothetical to put to you -

    Let us say we live in an alternative Universe identical to this one in all other respects except that there is no influx of migrants from the Middle East and Northern Africa into Europe, but instead there had occurred some catastrophic event in the Southern United States which instigated a "migration" of a few million whites from rural Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, and Georgia. Their culture and rates of crime and delinquency are the same as the white populations of those States as they are today in our Universe. Many of them - roughly the same numbers as the MENA migrants - wish to settle permanently in Sweden.

    In this alternate Universe would Sweden's political situation be more welcoming of "migrants," less welcoming of "migrants," or would there be no change?

    It’s funny to imagine a large influx of red state American Whites into Sweden. Compared to Sweden’s current pool of migrants, White Americans would commit far fewer rapes but they still might ruin Swedish folk festivals and damage social harmony. White Americans have developed a real love of being militantly obnoxious.

  177. @Reg Cæsar

    ...look it up on English Wikipedia, then look under the Languages column.

     

    First thing to come to my mind, too. I've been doing this for city renamings. The Scandinavian languages have long used native names (eg, "Moskva"), but it's become quite the fad in English ("Mumbai", "Beijing","Yangon"). Other European languages stick to the tried-and-true ("Turijn","Mailand".) The Turinese wanted us to call their city "Torino" for the Olympics. But that would have been free advertising for used Ford dealers.

    Anyway, here's French:


    White Flight (en français, la fuite des blancs)

    En France

    En France, les quartiers à forte concentration allogène étant traditionnellement situés hors des centres historiques ou dans des zonages urbains bien définis, le phénomène semble avoir épargné le centre des grandes agglomérations. Exception notable cependant : les centres-villes historiques de villes du sud de la France, y compris de villes qualifiées de moyenne ou de grande. Lorsqu'il n'y a pas eu remplacement de population à cause du déclin général, les maisons abandonnées par les populations originelles sont restées en friche. Castelnaudary, où le nombre de maisons abandonnées dans le centre-ville historique, dans la ville haute, est assez important, illustre cette fuite, motivée notamment par le mauvais état des logements anciens, la promiscuité et, à certains endroits, par le manque d'ensoleillement.

    Toutefois on peut dresser un parallèle avec la France périphérique : pour certaines grandes villes, notamment Paris et sa petite couronne, les populations modestes blanches sont parties s'installer en lointaine banlieue voire dans la campagne, alimentant le phénomène de périurbanisation, tandis qu'elles ont été remplacées par des populations précaires d'origine immigrée ou par des populations plus riches. Parfois - c'est le cas notamment du quartier parisien de Belleville2 ou encore de celui de Barbès3 - la population d'origine, des classes moyennes blanches, est d'abord remplacée par des populations précaires d'origine immigrée, qui sont ensuite chassées vers la banlieue par la hausse des prix engendrée par la gentrification.

    En France, en dépit des difficultés liées à de telles études dues au fait que les données sur l’ascendance (pays et nationalité de naissance des parents) ne sont collectées que dans les grandes enquêtes de l’Insee et ce uniquement depuis une dizaine d’années et non dans les recensements, on observe une augmentation des concentrations ethniques depuis la fin des années 1960. Alors que la « proportion de jeunes d’origine étrangère est restée relativement stable, en moyenne, dans les communes de moins de 10 000 habitants, elle s’est considérablement accrue dans les communes d’au moins 30 000 habitants où elle approche ou dépasse 35 %, en moyenne, en 2011. »4 Elle est loin de ne toucher que les plus grandes métropoles. Ainsi, la ville de Blois, voit sa proportion de jeunes d’origine étrangère passer de 5 % en 1968 à 40 % en 20114.

    À l'intérieur d'une même ville, la ségrégation peut être plus ou moins marquée selon les quartiers où les populations d’origine étrangère sont anormalement concentrées ou non dans certains quartiers. À Mantes-la-Jolie, la proportion de jeunes d’origine non européenne est de 61 % mais dépasse 85 % dans certains iris (unité territoriale de base du recensement) mais reste inférieure ou égale à 30 % dans d’autres4. La commune de Clichy-sous-Bois, est celle où la concentration ethnique est la plus élevée4.

    Au Royaume-Uni

    Le phénomène a été également bien étudié au Royaume-Uni. Pour la démographe Michèle Tribalat, l'une des explications est que « les processus de concentration et de ségrégation sont très anxiogènes pour les autochtones lorsqu’ils deviennent minoritaires et voient se transformer leur environnement. »4. En 2016, à Blackburn a des quartiers 95 % dont des habitants sont originaires de minorités ethniques. À Slough, la population « blanche » est passée de 58,3 % en 2001 à 34,5 % en 2011. Dans le quartier de Savile Town de Dewsbury, le dernier recensement a dénombré que seules 48 des 4 033 personnes vivant dans la commune étaient des Blancs britanniques5. Plus généralement si ont observe la capitale Londres, les blancs britanniques de souche représentait 58 % de la population au début des années 2000, ils représentent 43% en 2011.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Flight#En_France
     

    My French is rusty*, and I wouldn't trust Google (their translating skills get better, but their politics get worse). So if someone more fluent wants to translate or summarize that, please have at it.

    * Eg, "la promiscuité"? Is that a false friend, or are they really modern-day Lots?

    Eg, “la promiscuité”? Is that a false friend, or are they really modern-day Lots?

    Yeah, it’s a false friend. It means “the lack of privacy” and “overcrowding”.

  178. @Anon
    "Muslims mean nice food. Blacks mean happy dancing people."

    To a limited degree this may have some truth to it, as long as the percentage they represent in the population is one digit.

    One digit somewhere to the right of the decimal point.

  179. @Anon
    OT

    Has Russian hacking and interference really changed at all since the late 1980s? That's what I wondered when I was reminded about Clifford Stoll's 1989 book The Cuckoo's Egg by a blog post by Ann Althouse.

    Althouse stumbled across a later book by Stoll that was a jeremiad against the internet: We're losing touch with the outdoors, blah, blah. Althouse ridicules this book, but seems not to know about his first book:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg

    Stoll discovered and tracked down the first known major computer hacker when he was an astronomy post-doc at UC Berkeley Lawrence Laboratory (nuclear weopons development, etc.). It turned out to be a German kid hired by ... wait for it ... the Russians.

    I read the book at least twice in the 1990s, a day by day recounting of how he very cleverly solved the mystery of what was going on while dealing with a clueless U.S. law enforcement and intelligence apparatus, as well as his roommates, girlfriend, and colleagues at UC Berkeley.

    I recently reread Neuromancer, and am in the process of rereading Snow Crash, so Cuckoo's Egg may be my next blast from the past 1990s book to read.

    If you have any UNIX or VMS knowledge, he includes enough of that to make it even more interesting, while not alienating the general reader.

    Hacker friends of mine were arrested by the Feds in the 70’s and 80’s. Look up Captain Crunch and Cheshire Catalyst. Hacking goes back way before the 90’s.

  180. @Buffalo Joe
    Cagey, Canadians are gag worthy. They always point to the cinder in our eye. Canada has some of the worst racial relations between their Indigenous People and the rest of their citizens. They have moved whole tribes from reservations because they didn't have drinking water. Canada, without a history of slavery and no Jim Crow laws, still can't make their black population feel welcome.

    Shouldn’t the black population start making themselves more worthy of being welcomed?

    Better yet, make their own societies livable so they do not need to seek welcome in other nations.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Shouldn’t the black population start making themselves more worthy of being welcomed?
     
    I think you have missed the point of TNB.

    Better yet, make their own societies livable so they do not need to seek welcome in other nations.
     
    The world is divided by mental capacity into people who analyze their own deficiencies and can create livable societies, and people who blame their failures on others and create cargo cults.  Blacks are in the latter category.
  181. @RichardTaylor
    Don't forget what jackasses lily White areas were to other Whites who were fighting for their lives against "diversity". Places like Sweden, Minnesota and Vermont loved to lecture the rest of us.

    Places like Sweden, Minnesota and Vermont loved to lecture the rest of us.

    No worries, the usual suspects are doing their best to shame Vermont Whiteness and bring cultural enrichment to Vermont. State officials are apologizing for “not being diverse enough” and promising to do better. Wait, I thought race didn’t matter (or even exist)? It doesn’t matter, until our betters say it does.

    And Minnesota is getting the Somali enrichment they voted for, good and hard.

  182. @Lot
    Pretty meaningless. Jews were once one of the major ethnic groups in Central and Southern Europe. The number of Europeans and Latin American mestizos with 1% or more Jewish ancestry is surely more than 300 million. But... that doesn't matter, because that ancestry is hundreds of years back.

    Here some data on Jewish admixture percentages Snorlax posted from National Geographic.

    6 Polish
    5 German, Iberian (Portuguese/Spanish), Romanian, Russian
    4 Czech, Egyptian, Mexican (Western US)
    3 French, Sardinian
    2 English, Georgian, Greek, Northern Caucasian (Abkhaz/Dagestani), Peruvian (Lima), Tuscan, Western (dot) Indian
    0 (>50% European only) Argentine, Bulgar, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, Greenland Inuit, Irish, Norwegian, Puerto Rican, Scots, Tatar

    https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/
    ---

    These numbers I wouldn't take too seriously, but do convey the general point that minor and distant Jewish ancestry is extremely common among whites, and probably universal for many white ethnic groups that lived alongside large Jewish populations for long periods, in particular Italians, Spanish, Germans, Ukrainians, Greeks and Poles.

    Ivanhoe‘s Rebecca (“Becky?!”) notwithstanding, Scots never needed Hebrews around because we were already cheap, thrifty bastards enough on our own.

    • Replies: @Lot
    The Ivanhoe Jews were accurately made natives of York.

    The 1997 BBC version Rebecca was played by half Italian half Irish Susan Lynch, who looks really Jewish.

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/31/9e/1d/319e1da7551667184b4547d31c99b877.jpg

    http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/2/Open/Fantv3_2685/person/196794/_derived_jpg_q90_250x250_m0/bXwZyTYQu4YL7qcQmsw3GHgmOuh.jpg?partner=allrovi.com
  183. @anon
    I would say whites need to relocate to states like WY and WV and make them great again. Unfortunately majority of whites who relocate from high cost coastal areas to inland are die hard Demotards and take their voting habits with them.

    The Seattle Times had an article not too long ago by some indignant columnist who said after decades of living in Seattle he had finally had it, he was moving east, across Lake Washington, to conservative Snohomish county, because he was upset that when he went to complain to the city council rep. in his district about the homeless littering and shitting in his front yard, she dared accuse him, the grandson of a holocaust survivor, of being a "Nazi".

    Lots of people commented on that article that he'll just bring his toxic politics to Snohomish and turn it into another libtard zone like Seattle, like when Californians moved to Seattle, Denver and Portland to escape high taxes -- they turned these places blue, now they are infecting Idaho. Even within the same state, the migration of the libtard tribe is the main reason why so many suburbs turned blue in 2018 -- (((whites))), single women, blacks, latinos, gays are moving to the suburbs in record numbers, displaced by homeless and "gentrification".

    "White flight" is not always a blessing to their new communities. Sometimes it could be a downright curse.

    when he went to complain to the city council rep. in his district about the homeless littering and shitting in his front yard, she dared accuse him, the grandson of a holocaust survivor, of being a “Nazi”.

    Right. And if he weren’t “the grandson of a holocaust survivor” he’d definitely be a Nazi. All Wypipo are Nazis at heart. Or Cossacks. Or whatever, they’re bad.

  184. @Arclight
    Never mind Sweden, how welcoming would places like Seattle, Portland, SF, LA, Chicago, St. Louis, DC, Baltimore, Philly, and NY be if there was an internal migration of let's say 20 million lower class southern and Appalachian whites to them over the course of a couple of decades?

    My guess is that the media and politicians would be quite open in discussing their educational and cultural shortcomings, and tolerance for additional crime and cost of social services would be extremely limited.

    You don’t have to guess. This already happened during and after the great depression as poor Southern whites moved to northern cities and the west coast for work.
    Thomas Sowell documents the very negative northern reaction to the unruly southerners.

  185. @Reg Cæsar

    ...look it up on English Wikipedia, then look under the Languages column.

     

    First thing to come to my mind, too. I've been doing this for city renamings. The Scandinavian languages have long used native names (eg, "Moskva"), but it's become quite the fad in English ("Mumbai", "Beijing","Yangon"). Other European languages stick to the tried-and-true ("Turijn","Mailand".) The Turinese wanted us to call their city "Torino" for the Olympics. But that would have been free advertising for used Ford dealers.

    Anyway, here's French:


    White Flight (en français, la fuite des blancs)

    En France

    En France, les quartiers à forte concentration allogène étant traditionnellement situés hors des centres historiques ou dans des zonages urbains bien définis, le phénomène semble avoir épargné le centre des grandes agglomérations. Exception notable cependant : les centres-villes historiques de villes du sud de la France, y compris de villes qualifiées de moyenne ou de grande. Lorsqu'il n'y a pas eu remplacement de population à cause du déclin général, les maisons abandonnées par les populations originelles sont restées en friche. Castelnaudary, où le nombre de maisons abandonnées dans le centre-ville historique, dans la ville haute, est assez important, illustre cette fuite, motivée notamment par le mauvais état des logements anciens, la promiscuité et, à certains endroits, par le manque d'ensoleillement.

    Toutefois on peut dresser un parallèle avec la France périphérique : pour certaines grandes villes, notamment Paris et sa petite couronne, les populations modestes blanches sont parties s'installer en lointaine banlieue voire dans la campagne, alimentant le phénomène de périurbanisation, tandis qu'elles ont été remplacées par des populations précaires d'origine immigrée ou par des populations plus riches. Parfois - c'est le cas notamment du quartier parisien de Belleville2 ou encore de celui de Barbès3 - la population d'origine, des classes moyennes blanches, est d'abord remplacée par des populations précaires d'origine immigrée, qui sont ensuite chassées vers la banlieue par la hausse des prix engendrée par la gentrification.

    En France, en dépit des difficultés liées à de telles études dues au fait que les données sur l’ascendance (pays et nationalité de naissance des parents) ne sont collectées que dans les grandes enquêtes de l’Insee et ce uniquement depuis une dizaine d’années et non dans les recensements, on observe une augmentation des concentrations ethniques depuis la fin des années 1960. Alors que la « proportion de jeunes d’origine étrangère est restée relativement stable, en moyenne, dans les communes de moins de 10 000 habitants, elle s’est considérablement accrue dans les communes d’au moins 30 000 habitants où elle approche ou dépasse 35 %, en moyenne, en 2011. »4 Elle est loin de ne toucher que les plus grandes métropoles. Ainsi, la ville de Blois, voit sa proportion de jeunes d’origine étrangère passer de 5 % en 1968 à 40 % en 20114.

    À l'intérieur d'une même ville, la ségrégation peut être plus ou moins marquée selon les quartiers où les populations d’origine étrangère sont anormalement concentrées ou non dans certains quartiers. À Mantes-la-Jolie, la proportion de jeunes d’origine non européenne est de 61 % mais dépasse 85 % dans certains iris (unité territoriale de base du recensement) mais reste inférieure ou égale à 30 % dans d’autres4. La commune de Clichy-sous-Bois, est celle où la concentration ethnique est la plus élevée4.

    Au Royaume-Uni

    Le phénomène a été également bien étudié au Royaume-Uni. Pour la démographe Michèle Tribalat, l'une des explications est que « les processus de concentration et de ségrégation sont très anxiogènes pour les autochtones lorsqu’ils deviennent minoritaires et voient se transformer leur environnement. »4. En 2016, à Blackburn a des quartiers 95 % dont des habitants sont originaires de minorités ethniques. À Slough, la population « blanche » est passée de 58,3 % en 2001 à 34,5 % en 2011. Dans le quartier de Savile Town de Dewsbury, le dernier recensement a dénombré que seules 48 des 4 033 personnes vivant dans la commune étaient des Blancs britanniques5. Plus généralement si ont observe la capitale Londres, les blancs britanniques de souche représentait 58 % de la population au début des années 2000, ils représentent 43% en 2011.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Flight#En_France
     

    My French is rusty*, and I wouldn't trust Google (their translating skills get better, but their politics get worse). So if someone more fluent wants to translate or summarize that, please have at it.

    * Eg, "la promiscuité"? Is that a false friend, or are they really modern-day Lots?

    I think “la promiscuite” means crowding or lack of privacy in this case.

    Unless Castelnaudary is some kind of swingers haven. Unlikely, whatever rap you might make about secular France, they have never embraced the English speaking world’s habit of systematic sexual degeneracy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    they have never embraced the English speaking world’s habit of systematic sexual degeneracy
     
    I dare you to attend a gay parade in Paris.
    , @snorlax

    Unlikely, whatever rap you might make about secular France, they have never embraced the English speaking world’s habit of systematic sexual degeneracy.
     
    u serious bro
  186. @English Yobbo

    I think this is pretty accurate. Also, European proles are generally less mobile and less able to flee.
     
    Your comment caught my attention as I've recently been listening to David Goodheart's book 'The Road to Somewhere: The New Tribes Shaping British Politics' as I drive around our little island doing my prole job.

    Goodheart writes at one point: 60% of British people still live within 20 miles of where they lived when they were 14.

    However, a quick search gave me this: Over all, the median distance Americans live from their mother is 18 miles, and only 20 percent live more than a couple of hours’ drive from their parents

    Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/24/upshot/24up-family.html

    So I think Americans being more mobile is another one of those myths about the USA that seem to have become folk wisdom.

    Smaller families and better communication than the old days. 6 kids, the oldest boy inherits the farm/shop, one daughter marries an oldest son, the rest of the boys and the girls’ new families head West. 1 or 2 kids, the odds of finding a decent job locally are better. Also, “move and improve your life” was often based on inaccurate information. The Dust Bowl Okies “knew” there was work in California, from out of date info. Nowadays, a friend can text you that things won’t improve if you move to a certain area.
    Another factor is people who move a lot when they’re younger, but move back home when they start a family. Or conversely, a parent moves to be closer to the grandchildren.

  187. @Sean
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6HDXcFrsgw

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1064540/migrant-crisis-english-channel-major-incident-sajid-javid


    ‘MAJOR INCIDENT’ declared in English Channel: Migrant crisis out of control, admits Javid
    SAJID Javid has declared the rising number of migrants attempting to cross the English Channel a "major incident" and has asked for an urgent meeting with French ministers.
    By TOM NELLIST
    PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sat, Dec 29, 2018 | UPDATED: 00:08, Sat, Dec 29, 2018
     
    Javid is the Home Secretary, and as such is in charge of the police and border.

    The French hate Britain for Brexit. Facilitating illegal immigration to Britain kills two birds with one stone.

    The British Home Secretary is now some Asian creature called “Sajid Javid?!”

    Could the situation be more cartoonish, especially with a name like that? Did he marry a self-loathing white woman named Amelia Bedelia, by chance?

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    He is a Brexiteer. Tells you what you need to know about Brexit and immigration.
    , @Rob McX
  188. @Anon
    Any serious push to remove populations is unavoidable without war, either civil or possibly even regional. Many countries, some with nuclear weapons, will not take kindly to their colonies being removed.

    Perhaps some people can be paid to leave.

    Even putting a moratorium on immigration, which attracts domestic political opposition, also runs the risk of trade sanctions and nationalizations imposed on the West by the Global South. Remittances are an "export", and the Third World has complained for decades on end about First World farm subsidies.

    If a "core Europe" country was moving in the direction of moratorium/repatriation, we can expect the use of extralegal methods to prevent it. We saw an attempt this year by the otherwise powerless globalist Italian President to install his own Prime Minister. If Wilders was in line to be PM in the Netherlands, it wouldn't surprise me if the Monarch attempted a coup via the military.

    Any serious push to remove populations is unavoidable without war

    There are counter-examples, starting with this post’s white flight from urban America to the suburbs; Christians and Jews have been purged from the Middle East without much pushback; Lebanese civil war excepted; many indigenous peoples have gone quietly.

    Looks like a form of survivor’s bias; any extant group will have in its history some martial conflict.

  189. @TBA

    Merkle’s open invitation to millions of migrants will never be repeated.
     
    I don't know about other countries, but in Sweden it could well happen. Of the eight parties in parliament only one (the Sweden Democrats) is against mass immigration - and is therefore regarded as beyond the pale, even "fascist". We're an authoritarian people: what our betters tell us is regarded as self-evident truth (or at least you must pretend it is). The Sweden Democrats aren't likely ever to get a majority of the votes, and the other parties might pull a Merkle just to show how good they are.

    The open borders fags are currently on the back foot; the Social-Democrat Swedish Minister of Finance (number 2) this year even made a public proclamation to migrants that “Sweden is full, go somewhere else”.

    Alas, I think this is a temporary position until the public shock and rage of 2015 wears off. There are still plenty of open borders treasonists on both the right and left and we still haven’t elected the next government because of some of them. (On the ‘right’, as it happens.)

    Furthermore, in order to just staunch the migrant flow a lot more is needed regarding getting rid of various anti-Swedish laws that have somehow been snuck in. (Whoa, was that an echo?) Probably familiar to most readers here, like anchor babby, establishing a beach head for relatives, difficult deportation of criminals, etc etc.

  190. @Alec Leamas
    I have a fanciful hypothetical to put to you -

    Let us say we live in an alternative Universe identical to this one in all other respects except that there is no influx of migrants from the Middle East and Northern Africa into Europe, but instead there had occurred some catastrophic event in the Southern United States which instigated a "migration" of a few million whites from rural Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, and Georgia. Their culture and rates of crime and delinquency are the same as the white populations of those States as they are today in our Universe. Many of them - roughly the same numbers as the MENA migrants - wish to settle permanently in Sweden.

    In this alternate Universe would Sweden's political situation be more welcoming of "migrants," less welcoming of "migrants," or would there be no change?

    To a close approximation, the official position of Sweden these days follows that of the EU, UN and Judeo-New England (but not Israel).

    For example, I have a friend, a Swedish middle-manager in Euro offices of SJW tech, who a while ago let it slip that White South Africans basically deserve being genocided. Is he a particularly evil sort or SJW? No, actually I’d say he’s basically a naive, uncaring goodwhite, which as we know has morphed into an evil clown form. I don’t think it would be a big leap for him to take the same stance with raciss US Whites, as long as the signal from New England was clear and strong.

    • Agree: Simon in London
    • Replies: @sayless
    Pericles, how old is your Swedish friend?
  191. @Anon
    "Muslims mean nice food. Blacks mean happy dancing people."

    To a limited degree this may have some truth to it, as long as the percentage they represent in the population is one digit.

    When the nice people meet the happy dancing people, there will be nice happy dead people.

  192. @Anon
    Any serious push to remove populations is unavoidable without war, either civil or possibly even regional. Many countries, some with nuclear weapons, will not take kindly to their colonies being removed.

    Perhaps some people can be paid to leave.

    Even putting a moratorium on immigration, which attracts domestic political opposition, also runs the risk of trade sanctions and nationalizations imposed on the West by the Global South. Remittances are an "export", and the Third World has complained for decades on end about First World farm subsidies.

    If a "core Europe" country was moving in the direction of moratorium/repatriation, we can expect the use of extralegal methods to prevent it. We saw an attempt this year by the otherwise powerless globalist Italian President to install his own Prime Minister. If Wilders was in line to be PM in the Netherlands, it wouldn't surprise me if the Monarch attempted a coup via the military.

    Even putting a moratorium on immigration, which attracts domestic political opposition, also runs the risk of trade sanctions and nationalizations imposed on the West by the Global South.

    If the will is there mass revolts can still work even at this stage: eg what Salvini actually achieves remains to be seen but his actions have been promising and popular. Ditto Trump.

    I see no reason why the West need bow to the demands of the Global South although the Marrakech accord on safe, orderly and regular migration sends an awful signal. A tremendous failure of the EU has been the failure to use what collective power it has to resist silly demands by the global south while at the same time using tariffs to curb their legitimate growth.

    I am watching for the UK’s response to India’s demand for much easier movement as a price for a loose trade agreement. An absurd demand on its face.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I'm pretty certain, in my own mind, that the Indian government has the express intention of planting as many Indians as possible in the west.

    This could be for any number of reasons, for instance lack of opportunity in India, or a long term conspiracy to replace and dominate westerners in their own native lands. Likely it's a combination of these two reasons, and other obscure reasons known to Indian policymakers themselves.

    Suffice to say the 'bargain' of linking 'more Indians' with 'trade' seems to be the default Indian negotiating position. Something is *definitely* going on.

    True to form, dumb white Economist reading cucks will be taken in by the wiley Indians.
    , @Anon
    The EU had a plan for "reception centers" where EU bureaucrats would evaluate asylum seekers in a North African country, and then forcibly distribute them across the EU27.

    The four stable NAfrican countries (Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt) wanted no part of being a magnet for sub-Saharans, even with the expected billions that the EU would be paying them. Muslim dictators protected the EU from its worst impulses.

    EU leaders that want more migration have proved the exact same people praising Cyril Ramaphosa's anti-white farm confiscation. I'm predicting at a certain point that Ramaphosa will want to appear the "peacemaker" by using EU funds to pay the farmers, rather than the current plant to confiscate without compensation. (Build the wall, Mexico will pay; Seize the Farms, Whites will pay)

    That's an interesting point about India, but it has some risk for the Indians if free movement is reciprocal. Indian businesses might start hiring white Brits as managers in a recreation of the old EIC system.
  193. @theMann
    I think "la promiscuite" means crowding or lack of privacy in this case.

    Unless Castelnaudary is some kind of swingers haven. Unlikely, whatever rap you might make about secular France, they have never embraced the English speaking world's habit of systematic sexual degeneracy.

    they have never embraced the English speaking world’s habit of systematic sexual degeneracy

    I dare you to attend a gay parade in Paris.

  194. anonymous[403] • Disclaimer says:

    People in Sweden, the UK and France grasp well what has already happened and the issues that will pile up as the share of non-whites in their countries grow by 3x in the next 2 generations. However, among the intelligentsia the mass migration of non-whites is a form of suffering that is fulfilling. The intelligentsia understand as whites they are wicked people and capable of great evil so as a race need to bear the cross as punishment for sins and take in the non-white genetic pulse that will over several generations come from the non-white migrants to permanently dilute the whiteness.

    Not a tiny duck post. But when considering what has happened in Sweden and France, there’s no doubt how this is what the influential class is really thinking.

  195. @Corvinus
    "The Great Migration of 6 or 7 million African-Americans from the South to Northern cities in the 1940s-1970s contributed heavily to white flight to the suburbs"

    The Great Migration was in large part caused by black people seeking to escape Jim Crow laws and being drawn to economic opportunities in northern factories. Like ANY migration, there will be a "flight" of people from one neighborhood to another neighborhood. If you look at the influx of the Irish in the 1840's and 1850's, for example, they ended up taking over the neighborhoods of the English and Scottish, who eventually moved to other areas. Furthermore, a major impetus of 1950's white flight was that veterans on the GI Bill had steady income and had larger families; thus, they sought to live a more comfortable lifestyle given their new found affluence. They found cheap land and housing out in the suburbs. Naturally, "newer" groups moved into the homes the whites left.

    "Greater Migration of blacks out of Africa of one or two orders of magnitude greater than the Great Migration that caused so much havoc in 20th Century urban America."

    Of course, a wide range of factors caused havoc in urban areas.

    An oldie but a goodie...

    file:///Users/teacher/Downloads/Breger,%20G.%20E.%201967%20-%20The%20concept%20and%20causes%20of%20urban%20blight.pdf

    And, of course, a current standby...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_decay

    "Urban decay (also known as urban rot and urban blight) is the sociological process by which a previously functioning city, or part of a city, falls into disrepair and decrepitude. It may feature deindustrialization, depopulation or deurbanization, economic restructuring, abandoned buildings and infrastructure, high local unemployment, fragmented families, political disenfranchisement, crime, and a desolate cityscape, known as greyfield or urban prairie."

    Naturally, Mr. Sailer is isolating one factor as being the primary cause. How Alt Right of him to NOTICE.

    "So what do other countries think about this prospect?"

    Considering that greedy Europeans colonized Africa, extracted its resources for its own designs, moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the "benefit" of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?

    Of course, one hopes that African economic growth will help to address the concern that potentially will disrupt "white countries".

    https://qz.com/africa/1179387/africas-economic-outlook-is-promising-for-2018-but-there-clouds-on-the-horizon/

    http://www.itnewsafrica.com/2018/05/top-10-fastest-growing-economies-in-africa-2018/

    Although, I suppose one potential solution is for the Alt Right to pool their vast financial resources to hire Blackwater to poison Africans. Put something in their drinking water, let them all perish, and then we simply loot the continent.

    Considering that greedy Europeans colonized Africa, extracted its resources for its own designs, moved historic rival tribal groups by force to reconstituted borders, created institutions for the “benefit” of natives without fully including them in the process, and then reluctantly granted them freedom post-World War II, what do you expect?

    Gee I dunno.

    It’s 2019.

    I expect well-functioning societies, not exactly Wakanda, but at least something that can have a respectable industry, schools, roads, actually working planes, scientific research, maybe even a space program.

    Not ceaseless demand for gibs, Boko Haram, Ebola, cannibalism, genocide, population explosion and illiterate AK-wielding mercenary gangs. All to the moaning of “being exploited by Chinese”.

    Maybe you could stick the Colonialism Mantra up close your prostata where it belongs?

  196. @Buffalo Joe
    Corvinus, I thought the Colonist took all the natural resources out of the African continent before they abandoned it. Who knew resources such as gold and diamonds could replenish themselves.

    Maybe he’s talking about the DNA with the high-IQ potential, which was all removed to the US or the Arab countries.

  197. @Sean
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6HDXcFrsgw

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1064540/migrant-crisis-english-channel-major-incident-sajid-javid


    ‘MAJOR INCIDENT’ declared in English Channel: Migrant crisis out of control, admits Javid
    SAJID Javid has declared the rising number of migrants attempting to cross the English Channel a "major incident" and has asked for an urgent meeting with French ministers.
    By TOM NELLIST
    PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sat, Dec 29, 2018 | UPDATED: 00:08, Sat, Dec 29, 2018
     
    Javid is the Home Secretary, and as such is in charge of the police and border.

    The French hate Britain for Brexit. Facilitating illegal immigration to Britain kills two birds with one stone.

    The French hate Britain for Brexit.

    Maybe the disgusting politicians and clownish upper crust do.

    The rest don’t care one way or another.

    ‘MAJOR INCIDENT’ declared in English Channel: Migrant crisis out of control, admits Javid

    Yeah, beats shadowing menacing Russian vessels “lurking” in the Channel.

    Unfortunately Britain has put all the money in useless carriers just good to bomb peasants in faraway lands, so where is the money for near-littoral boats going to come from?

  198. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill B.

    Even putting a moratorium on immigration, which attracts domestic political opposition, also runs the risk of trade sanctions and nationalizations imposed on the West by the Global South.
     
    If the will is there mass revolts can still work even at this stage: eg what Salvini actually achieves remains to be seen but his actions have been promising and popular. Ditto Trump.

    I see no reason why the West need bow to the demands of the Global South although the Marrakech accord on safe, orderly and regular migration sends an awful signal. A tremendous failure of the EU has been the failure to use what collective power it has to resist silly demands by the global south while at the same time using tariffs to curb their legitimate growth.

    I am watching for the UK's response to India's demand for much easier movement as a price for a loose trade agreement. An absurd demand on its face.

    I’m pretty certain, in my own mind, that the Indian government has the express intention of planting as many Indians as possible in the west.

    This could be for any number of reasons, for instance lack of opportunity in India, or a long term conspiracy to replace and dominate westerners in their own native lands. Likely it’s a combination of these two reasons, and other obscure reasons known to Indian policymakers themselves.

    Suffice to say the ‘bargain’ of linking ‘more Indians’ with ‘trade’ seems to be the default Indian negotiating position. Something is *definitely* going on.

    True to form, dumb white Economist reading cucks will be taken in by the wiley Indians.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    I think Indians, above all, see themselves as traders and - in alien societies - potential middle men. Their tight networking and ethnic favoritism and endemic corruption can actually be a tremendous advantage in these situations.

    They are often plausible and somewhat articulate which helps to cover up for any weaknesses during the time needed to lock down trading/business networks. (I am generalizing: there are numbers of genuinely smart Indians.)

    I think the idea is that the diaspora will be lead by the more enterprising characters assisted by serried ranks of mediocrities. Instinctively it is a way for India to use the diaspora to finesse their inability to match the Chinese in intellectual punching power.
  199. @theMann
    I think "la promiscuite" means crowding or lack of privacy in this case.

    Unless Castelnaudary is some kind of swingers haven. Unlikely, whatever rap you might make about secular France, they have never embraced the English speaking world's habit of systematic sexual degeneracy.

    Unlikely, whatever rap you might make about secular France, they have never embraced the English speaking world’s habit of systematic sexual degeneracy.

    u serious bro

  200. @Anonymous
    European politicians cannot be totally naive, and part of the cover-up of the devastation of diversity at the same time. Every European cop or journalist knows not to report mass rapes or crimes by migrant populations, and they actively cover them up. From where do they get their marching orders? The politicians, who in turn get their orders from the super-rich via their pet NGOs. The pols know what is coming to some extent. They just feel it is an unstoppable force they should personally profit from.

    Have you ever seen the videos of shithole countries dumping their garbage trucks into their own rivers? Why would they do this to themselves? Because they rationalize that everyone else does it to save/ make money so they want to be sure to get their fair share of all that sweet river trash money. Same attitude with Western European politicians.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3JEldVLzi_U

    Shithole countries explained in 11 seconds of video.  On a smaller scale, it explains shithole cities in otherwise-functional countries.

  201. @Charles Pewitt
    The globalizer ruling classes of European nations knows exactly what they are doing by pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration and multicultural mayhem.

    I'll run with your suggestion that the European ruling classes are sheltered from racial realities and they just don't comprehend the magnitude of the racial problem caused by mass immigration. If that is the case, then these same bonehead ruling class members will be easy to dislodge from power because they are so stupid.

    I think the ruling class bastards know what the Hell they're doing. Regardless of whether or not they came from big towns or small cities without much racial strife.

    In the USA, in the last 15 years or so, even the big towns and small cities have been targeted by the evil ruling class of the American Empire for mass immigration and racial replacement.

    Some people with a good political imagination are just now envisioning the time when the US ruling class is toppled and the US military is used to remove the ruling classes from power in European Christian nations.

    France has nukes, so the French military will have to be treated as the ultimate power when it is time to dislodge the French ruling class from power.

    France and the UK may become the next Muslim nuclear powers.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    France and the UK may become the next Muslim nuclear powers.

     

    I think the French military will prevent any Muslim control of French nukes. Macron and Hollande got a lot of Muslim votes, but there was still a large bloc of True French voters in the mix.

    The American Empire will disable England's Trident SLBM power and remove the command and control over the nukes to forestall any Muslim control of nukes in England. Corbyn is going to bring a lot of issues to a boil, that's for sure.

    The answer to nation-wrecking mass immigration is mass deportation. There is going to be a huge amount of Third World re-migration in the next few years.
  202. @English Yobbo
    Also:

    In England whites tend to tolerate black crime, which does not kill large numbers of whites.
     
    Yes. This is a very strange thing.

    Although if you've had enough experience of it, then perhaps, like me, you have learnt not to talk about it. Its one thing to have a mutual moan about Muslim rape gangs, terrorists, sharia law and FGM with work colleagues and random people in the pub, but to talk about problems with our black population is reserved for such a select minority that I can't think of anyone I know I can have a relaxed conversation with about it.

    I sometimes wonder if the likes of Tommy Robinson are actually funded by Zionists, as I've seen lefties claim, and that the British MSM gives a certain amount of leeway to highlighting problems with Muslims but not blacks, (and therefore the British overton window hasn't shifted enabling ordinary folk to bitch and moan about it) because Israel isn't surrounded by blacks.

    People used to complain about blacks, but it easier to complain about Muslims. Of course blacks commit a phenomenal amount of crime compared to Muslims, or any other group.

  203. @jhan
    Here you go, white flight in London:

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article53301.html

    Interesting, yes a friend of mine move to SE London to raise his family, if you are white English and don’t have the money to live in SW London, where he grew up with me but can’t afford now, then the SE suburbs is the place for the white English.

  204. @Simon in London
    By homogenous I meant everyone visible on the street from a few dozen to couple hundred is of the same race. I would not count 80% as homogenous.

    I walked down a street in Wembley and out if several hundred people I was the only non Asian, very unsettling.

  205. @g2k
    One thing I'd add to that is the situation with traffic/transportation costs and speed. It's quite minor compared to wages and housing, but it's got significantly and noticeably worse over the last 20 years to drive and/or take a train around the uk and this affects the rich as much as everyone else (a gridlocked Ferrari isn't going anywhere fast). A lot of this is due to uneven economic growth but population growth also plays a part.

    London now has the second worst traffic in Europe, after Moscow.

  206. @Wazoo
    As Western Europe goes up in flames, Eastern Europe will start to look increasingly attractive to beleaguered whites.

    Eastern Europe will look attractive to non whites too, who thanks to EU freedom of movement can easily relocate there.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Freedom of movement won't mean much if the locals can get away with making the vibrants' lives miserable, and you can bet that they will in order to prevent the misery from flowing the other way.
  207. @Peter Frost
    “la promiscuité”? Is that a false friend, or are they really modern-day Lots?

    It simply means "overcrowding". Promiscuity is promiscuité sexuelle in French.

    In English, that sentence would be:

    When, because of overall decline, there has been no population replacement, the houses abandoned by the original residents have remained derelict. One example is Castelnaudary, which has a fairly large number of abandoned houses in its historic downtown area, in the upper town. This flight was driven notably by the poor condition of the former dwellings, [by] overcrowding and, in some places, by lack of sunlight.

    White flight in Castelnaudary?

    Christ. This is awful.

    I knocked around France, mostly the south, for a couple of years in the 70s and found it sublime and, happily, cheap enough for even an itinerant grape-picker to live there. I was thrilled by almost every bar, cafe, park, village square, riverside bench. The vibrancy appeared very thinly spread; although Marseille had numbers of black guys hanging outside of couscous shops.

    Many of the Europeans I talk to are worldly, sophisticated but complacent. Big city ghettos are one thing; scorched earth vibrancy another.

    (High-trust, community-minded people might be able to live comfortably in densely packed old towns but the vibrant and transient are a disaster. That at least is my observation. The ‘new urbanists’ proposing to re-invent medieval cities are alternative to high rise destruction never seem to account for this.)

  208. @Autochthon
    The British Home Secretary is now some Asian creature called "Sajid Javid?!"

    https://steemitimages.com/DQmekQ8HwycBwWqB8way8EA3p3HrBZawra5B2NzckyU4e42/image.png

    Could the situation be more cartoonish, especially with a name like that? Did he marry a self-loathing white woman named Amelia Bedelia, by chance?

    He is a Brexiteer. Tells you what you need to know about Brexit and immigration.

  209. @RadicalCenter
    France and the UK may become the next Muslim nuclear powers.

    France and the UK may become the next Muslim nuclear powers.

    I think the French military will prevent any Muslim control of French nukes. Macron and Hollande got a lot of Muslim votes, but there was still a large bloc of True French voters in the mix.

    The American Empire will disable England’s Trident SLBM power and remove the command and control over the nukes to forestall any Muslim control of nukes in England. Corbyn is going to bring a lot of issues to a boil, that’s for sure.

    The answer to nation-wrecking mass immigration is mass deportation. There is going to be a huge amount of Third World re-migration in the next few years.

  210. @Charles Pewitt
    Sweden will have to be taken over by the US military after the ruling class in the United States is toppled.

    I say there are only a few hundred officers in the US military that need to be fired by President Trump to completely change the command structure. I'm glad Trump moved up the departure date of baby boomer treasonite General James Mattis. Good riddance to that globalizer goon Mattis! Once the globalizer officer group is gone, then we can use the US military to change-out ruling classes all over Europe.

    Sweden has 10 million people or so, maybe the same as Greece, all we'll need is the electronics guys and 400, 000 Swedish men between the ages of 18 and 60 to take political and military control of Sweden.

    Sweden For The Swedes!

    Yes, if Sweden and most of the other nations in Western Europe are going to be prevented from committing auto-genocide, an outside power is going to have to step in. It would be nice if it were the US, but we’re under the spell of the same propagandists.

  211. @YetAnotherAnon
    Scottish MPs like to fret over the dreadful racism of the English. But Glasgow and Edinburgh are still Scottish cities - London and Birmingham aren't English any more (except for Olympic Games or Royal events).

    It would be interesting to see a Scotland where the younger generation were 30% minority, as they are in England and Wales. I may well live to see that, as I can't see Scotland surviving the deluge if England can't.

    I think Tyrion, Simon and g2k have survivorship bias regarding white attitudes to minorities in London. All the people who couldn't tolerate it and had the money have already voted with their feet. Half the newcomers in my village are from London (and they're pricing out the locals). Naturally if you ask, they've moved for "better schools" and "the lifestyle".

    Yeah, I’m kind of puzzled by the relative sanguinity of the comments. What happened in the US WILL happen, IS happening to you. Your city centers will be taken over by a politically potent ethnic minority for the benefit of its tribe. It is playing out exactly the way Enoch Powell said it would. Somebody said they don’t consider 80% homogenous. Eighty percent! That’s an unassailable electoral majority. That’s what Singapore and Israel will maintain for their ruling ethnic majorities, by blood and iron if necessary.

    And it gets crazier. First, you really do have white flight–the numbers and demographics don’t lie. Britain and Europe were white-whitey-whitiest in the 1960’s. All the new growth is immigrant and, sure enough, you developed the suburban white doughnuts that we did once US courts started striking down restrictive covenants and ordering schools to integrate. Second, the grooming scandals as I recall took place in 85 to 90% white communities! That’s whiter than Reagan’s America. In the US, those would be called Whitopias. So even at just 10 to 15% south Asian minority, your family structure and civil order starts breaking down. But Brits and Europeans think because they once had Empires they can make this work, unlike those uncouth Americans.

    Don’t say we didn’t warn you. Hell, Enoch Powell warned you.

  212. @Arclight
    Never mind Sweden, how welcoming would places like Seattle, Portland, SF, LA, Chicago, St. Louis, DC, Baltimore, Philly, and NY be if there was an internal migration of let's say 20 million lower class southern and Appalachian whites to them over the course of a couple of decades?

    My guess is that the media and politicians would be quite open in discussing their educational and cultural shortcomings, and tolerance for additional crime and cost of social services would be extremely limited.

    If 200,000 white Kentuckians and West Virginians started to migrate to California then California would build a wall along the Nevada and Arizona state lines.

  213. @Autochthon
    The British Home Secretary is now some Asian creature called "Sajid Javid?!"

    https://steemitimages.com/DQmekQ8HwycBwWqB8way8EA3p3HrBZawra5B2NzckyU4e42/image.png

    Could the situation be more cartoonish, especially with a name like that? Did he marry a self-loathing white woman named Amelia Bedelia, by chance?
    • Replies: @Sean
    Sajid Javid could quite easily be the next Prime Minister.
    , @anon
    Subcontinental drift.
  214. The big question is this: Why are the rulers of white countries orchestrating this invasion? They could stop it (or refrain from facilitating it, to be more precise) any time they wanted. They seem to think they can ruin their countries but somehow remain immune from the consequences themselves.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Hint:

    The Economist magazine.
  215. @LondonBob
    Eastern Europe will look attractive to non whites too, who thanks to EU freedom of movement can easily relocate there.

    Freedom of movement won’t mean much if the locals can get away with making the vibrants’ lives miserable, and you can bet that they will in order to prevent the misery from flowing the other way.

  216. @Tyrion 2
    "White flight" is substantially less in the UK than the US partly because local government is so much weaker. This means that its capture by a somewhat antagonistic ethnic group is rarely a problem. The almost exception of the Tower Hamlets corruption scandal demonstrates this.

    London was emptied in the 60s but this was very much aspirational slum clearance and suburbanisation. On the other hand, when this was discovered to be a mistake, those who had moved in (from abroad) did prove a signficant obstacle to gentrification, and still do, sometimes.

    Large parts of London can only be accurately described as foreign colonies. Anyone who visits them and does not concur is lying. It can be alienating to live in but also gives the resident hipster types a sort of narcisstic high of feeling special. Perhaps like being a colonial administrator in Burma gave Orwell.

    Also, prior to Thatcher allowing the private purchase of your own council home, the lower classes in the UK all seem to have lived in them. There's still quite a bit of public housing in London but no one living in it seems to be British. Perhaps the social knowledge of how to best game the system has been lost to the Brits and gained by the Somalis et al. The list of names of the people who died in the Grenfell Tower tragedy will provide adequate proof, especially considering the close to prime location.

    This means that working class (native) Brits in London (proper) are very, very rare. Naturally, there are plenty of children of bankers, doctors and teachers affecting working class status but that's just silly. Normally they're just SJW types LARPing as the people who they usually decry as ignorant bigots. Bizarre.

    London is also different from the rest of the UK. In '92 housing was just 4 times incomes, now it is 14.5 times income. This has caused the "inner suburbs" to change radically, a bit like Harlem has, I suspect. This means that what I have written above may not apply so much to the towns that most Brits actually live in. I am under the impression that white flight does occur there but is very localised. Or that's what a Pakistani friend told me about how his Dad was constantly trying to stay in front of the brown wave, and of course starting it.

    The final thing is that generally migration to the UK has been highly selective. This may not mean that those coming in are hugely achieving but it does mean that the utter dysfunction of the black American ghetto is avoided. There is nowhere in this country like the area just a short walk from the Ritz in New Orleans. Walking around while wearing a bright blue polo shirt and short carrot coloured shorts was interesting. That place could do with a Bolsonaro. Why every corner boy is not subjected to a never-ending regime of stop and searches I do not get. The non-criminal locals scurry around in fear.

    Large parts of London can only be accurately described as foreign colonies. Anyone who visits them and does not concur is lying.

    Agreed.

    Also, prior to Thatcher allowing the private purchase of your own council home, the lower classes in the UK all seem to have lived in them. There’s still quite a bit of public housing in London but no one living in it seems to be British. Perhaps the social knowledge of how to best game the system has been lost to the Brits and gained by the Somalis et al.

    50 years ago, the people who lived in council houses were mostly married couples with children, who did not earn enough to buy their own home. However, policy changed in about 1970.

    In response to the 1966 Ken Loach TV film Cathy Come Home about a homeless single mother, one-parent families were moved to the top of the housing list. This policy worked as intended for a decade; but in the 1980s it helped to create an explosion of single motherhood, a huge social change that is part of the “new normal” and displaces low-paid two-parent families from public housing.

    The racial composition of British council estates was changed by Bangladeshi migration in the 1970s, partly as a result of the Bangladeshi War of Independence in 1971. The waiting list for council housing was overwhelmed. Officials decided that the way to handle this problem was to allocate housing on the basis of need. Now, who has the greatest need? A British family with (in the 1970s) 2.4 children, or a Bangladeshi family with 5.6 children?

    Public housing is thus allocated on the basis of Pokemon Victim Points, and the white two-parent family with an income and 1.6 children is not high on the list. A family of my acquaintance was having financial difficulty while living in the private rented sector, and the wife went to the council to ask about housing. She was told that because her husband was working the council could not help her; but if she left her husband she would immediately be housed. Ken Loach’s wretched film, and a well-meaning but brain-dead political class, have led us to a dystopia.

    London is also different from the rest of the UK. In ’92 housing was just 4 times incomes, now it is 14.5 times income. This has caused the “inner suburbs” to change radically, a bit like Harlem has, I suspect.

    Margaret Thatcher loosened credit controls on mortgage lending, and also changed the law to make private renting feasible (previously, the law made it extremely difficult to evict tenants, or even to increase their rent). The result has been to drive up the cost of housing, both for sale or rent. This has greatly increased the amount of money extracted from the economy through mortgage repayments and rent. People on the political Left are obsessed with the “capitalist mode of production” and do not notice or care about the new extractive elite.

    It is not possible to live decently in London on minimum wage, unless one receives welfare benefits or subsidised public housing. People without these perks who do low-wage jobs end up living in multiple-occupancy dwellings – possibly subdivided, and with many more residents than designed. These are the modern slums. Living there would be highly unattractive to any British person who previously lived in a conventional home with their parents; but it is a step up if your current accommodation is a shack in Lagos or Islamabad. A lower sense of entitlement gives Third-World immigrants a huge comparative advantage at the lower end of the British employment market. Politicians and the media simply do not care – the issue is not even on their radar.

    The final thing is that generally migration to the UK has been highly selective. This may not mean that those coming in are hugely achieving but it does mean that the utter dysfunction of the black American ghetto is avoided.

    I’m not so sure about this. It is hard for Europeans to understand the reasons for the burnt-out streets and crack houses of American urban decay, because they are completely outside our experience.

  217. @Autochthon
    Ivanhoe's Rebecca ("Becky?!") notwithstanding, Scots never needed Hebrews around because we were already cheap, thrifty bastards enough on our own.

    The Ivanhoe Jews were accurately made natives of York.

    The 1997 BBC version Rebecca was played by half Italian half Irish Susan Lynch, who looks really Jewish.

    http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/2/Open/Fantv3_2685/person/196794/_derived_jpg_q90_250x250_m0/bXwZyTYQu4YL7qcQmsw3GHgmOuh.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

  218. @Anonymous
    The prevailing (Economist) opinion in Europe is that massive black African immigration is 'good for the economy' or 'will fund pension schemes' and is thus to be encouraged.

    Quietly, for sure (a la George Osborne). We don't want to frighten the peasants, of course.

    White South Africans, fleeing violence by emigrating to Australia, might help to fund some pension schemes, as would a few Black professionals. Welfare-dependent migration from everywhere is draining public resources by the multi billions, while not contributing much in taxes or other revenue since so much of the work is done under-the-table. And immigrants send billions out of Western countries in remittances—$28 billion every year out of the USA, sent to Mexico by illegal aliens who consume $113 billion yearly in welfare and other public services.

    Are they staffing the nursing homes, changing the bed pans of the aging US population?

    No, they are not, as you know if you have ever processed EBT & cash assistance cases. The illegal alien mommas, getting hundreds in monthly welfare for US-born kids and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash, bring in the SS cards of their kids and proof of traceable income that falls under the income limits for the programs.

    The proof of income for EBT and monthly cash assistance—the 8 required paycheck stubs—is from a husband or a boyfriend in almost every case.

    The womb-productive, welfare-eligible, female illegal aliens are mostly .gov-financed stay-at-home moms, not caregivers for an aging US population, while the welfare-eligible single moms who are US citizens go in and out of temp or part-time jobs, mostly retail, food services and ”voted-best-for-moms” office jobs, like corporate call center jobs and corporate back-office jobs.

    People who say otherwise are being dishonest; it is all on their work-history screens.

    Parents qualify for welfare, in single-breadwinner households, in months when they either have no earned income or little earned income due to working few hours.

    The income limits are very low, providing welfare-eligible womb producers with a financial incentive to work few hours for low pay or to work in temp positions, collecting welfare during non-working months. It provides their employers with a financial incentive to offer mostly jobs that will not cover rent for non-welfare-eligible citizens. .Gov makes up the difference between what living expenses cost and what employers pay their chosen workforce: single mommas and legal / illegal immigrant parents in male-breadwinner households.

    America’s cheapskate part-time / temp employers also hire married moms with spousal income that covers most bills, divorced moms with rent-covering child-support checks, college kids whose parents cover most of their bills and elderly people with SS-financed major bills.

    With or without children, married couples always go over the income limits for welfare when there are two earners per household, as opposed to an illegal alien stay-at-home mom and an illegal alien dad with low, traceable income. With very few exceptions, single, childless, able-bodied citizens (ABAWDs) qualify for nothing but 3 months of EBT-only every three years.

    Since EBT for one person is nothing, a little over $100 per month for 3 months only, most childless citizens never / ever apply, regardless of income. It is not worth the effort, whereas for the womb-prolific households of citizens and noncitizens who “work the system,” EBT alone can be as high as $800 per month, with the average single momma getting $450 per month in just EBT.

    Cash assustsnce is close to the same amount, but is a little harder to get since the income limit is about $50-per-month lower, and the moms must name the fathers of the children so that .gov can try to get the non-custodial fathers to pay the state back. Imagine how successful this process is: chasing down non-welfare-eligible sperm providers, making just as little as the womb producers who are showered with monthly welfare and, on top of the monthly welfare, bigly annual welfare checks up to $6,431 to spend as they please from the progressive tax code.

    Due to withholding, these welfare-consuming womb producers make more than their welfare-ineligible counterparts in adjacent cubicles, including the suckers working far more hours than them, and generating far more sales than them, for less than enough pay to cover the rent for a one-room apartment.

    This welfare-rigged system has driven down wages and hours for millions of non-welfare-eligible citizens, needing for earned-only income to cover all household bills.

    When employers are looking for workers with ”somethin’ comin’ in” from government that enables them to accept inadequate hours and rock-bottom-low pay, hard work has no reward, hence the extremely low laborforce-participation rate in the USA.

    It is not much of a revenue-producing, pension-undergirding system—this womb-privileged spoils system. It does result in a lot of reproduction in some quarters, however.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @1661er
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/08/27/cash-distributed-under-ssi-for-children-now-exceeds-welfare/ek0peSWTLJ00YId0CONFYI/story.html


    Aid to disabled children now outstrips welfare
    As SSI expands, debate intensifies
    By Patricia Wen Globe Staff August 28, 2014

    WASHINGTON — A controversial federal benefits program provided about $20 billion to low-income families with disabled children over the last two years, quietly eclipsing traditional welfare programs to become the biggest source of monthly cash for the nation’s poorest families, new data shows.

    The dramatic growth of the children’s Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program has led some researchers to suggest it has simply replaced welfare as a primary source of cash for many families who lost benefits due to the much-touted welfare reforms of the mid-1990s.

    The expansion also comes amid a growing recognition among lawmakers and policy analysts that children’s disabilities, especially harder-to-assess ones like ADHD, have become a gateway to receive the best government cash benefits available today, and this trend deserves closer study.
     
    My problem with SSI programs for disabled children is that incentivized some parents to encourage their children to behave badly to keep being eligible. Telling a parent that their children's conditions had improved and no longer qualify, should not sent them into rage and beating their children until their children's behaviors worsen again. And it encouraged parent with proven genetic issues to have more children so they can maintain their cash flow as old children became adults.
  219. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill B.

    Even putting a moratorium on immigration, which attracts domestic political opposition, also runs the risk of trade sanctions and nationalizations imposed on the West by the Global South.
     
    If the will is there mass revolts can still work even at this stage: eg what Salvini actually achieves remains to be seen but his actions have been promising and popular. Ditto Trump.

    I see no reason why the West need bow to the demands of the Global South although the Marrakech accord on safe, orderly and regular migration sends an awful signal. A tremendous failure of the EU has been the failure to use what collective power it has to resist silly demands by the global south while at the same time using tariffs to curb their legitimate growth.

    I am watching for the UK's response to India's demand for much easier movement as a price for a loose trade agreement. An absurd demand on its face.

    The EU had a plan for “reception centers” where EU bureaucrats would evaluate asylum seekers in a North African country, and then forcibly distribute them across the EU27.

    The four stable NAfrican countries (Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt) wanted no part of being a magnet for sub-Saharans, even with the expected billions that the EU would be paying them. Muslim dictators protected the EU from its worst impulses.

    EU leaders that want more migration have proved the exact same people praising Cyril Ramaphosa’s anti-white farm confiscation. I’m predicting at a certain point that Ramaphosa will want to appear the “peacemaker” by using EU funds to pay the farmers, rather than the current plant to confiscate without compensation. (Build the wall, Mexico will pay; Seize the Farms, Whites will pay)

    That’s an interesting point about India, but it has some risk for the Indians if free movement is reciprocal. Indian businesses might start hiring white Brits as managers in a recreation of the old EIC system.

  220. @Almost Missouri
    As usual, iSteve ahead of the curve: genuine News. Global white flight's gonna be a b*tch.

    I wrote a comment some time back about the French method of handing vibrancy, which is basically Steve's third bullet point:

    - We’ll send the migrants to the suburbs instead, and keep the downtowns for ourselves.
     
    It worked for a while, but not so much anymore. Banlieue-stashing is a palliative so long as there are enough banlieues and not too much vibrancy, but when you don't address the source problem, indeed, when you are blinded by law from even seeing the source problem, you eventually run out of banlieues. And then you face the same problem as before, only now with your cities ringed by hostile and resentful banlieues.

    The banlieue phenomenon has existed in South America for decades. There they call them favelas – major cities like Rio de Janeiro or Lima are ringed by shanty-towns inhabited by the very poor, while the central cities are kept in good order and inhabited by the well-to-do. “White flight” to suburbs seems to be historically characteristic in the U.S.

  221. OT (sort of)

    Check out the odd body language in this schoolboy pic of French president Macron – the girls leaning away from him. Perhaps it means nothing; still, he appears to be the class leader, and a good looking one.

    https://www.parismatch.com/Actu/Politique/Le-pere-Philippe-Robert-professeur-a-la-Providence-se-souvient-de-son-eleve-Emmanuel-Macron-1255118

    N.B.

    Note the dates – class of 92/93 according to the sign Marcon is holding. He was born in 1977; he met his future wife (his teacher) when he was 15, according to reports. His parents discovered his affair when he was 16.

  222. @g2k
    I suspect there maybe something to this, but I suspect that it's just passive; they made extra effort to stop this kind of thing pre-referendum and have reverted to business as usual now. I was in Calais pre- referendum and the intensity of policing had to be seen to be believed. This, of course, was only around the port and highway. The old hoverport and eastern beaches were left completely alone, so it was only a matter of time before this kind of thing happened. Very dangerous though, the channel is not the med.

    Even supposing they are intercepted at sea, nothing can be done to stop or return them and they are merely rescued and get to Britain all the quicker to claim refugee status. More resources will just make crossing safer for those who try and thus encourage far more to try. Unstoppable.

  223. @Rob McX

    Sajid Javid could quite easily be the next Prime Minister.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Sajid Javid could quite easily be the next Prime Minister.
     
    Of several different nations.
  224. @Simon in London
    While there was lots of white flight from London, the population has also increased greatly.

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on - the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on – the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.

    What’s it like on the Old Kent Road today?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    As it happens, the Old Kent Road these days is a Nigerian stronghold.
  225. @Sean
    Sajid Javid could quite easily be the next Prime Minister.

    Sajid Javid could quite easily be the next Prime Minister.

    Of several different nations.

  226. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    Does anyone know which white country with a multi-generational black minority has the smallest gap between the black and white crime rates? And you can’t count Nigerian bankers’ progeny in Luxembourg. What about countries that have blacks, non-blacks and almost no whites like Trinidad and Tobago or Guyana? White racism can’t be blamed on any disparities in those countries, and based on my experience, the descendants of indentured Indian labourers are the most tolerant people imaginable.

  227. @Brabantian
    USA people, often think they are the only people owning guns in the world, with ideas that 'guns are banned in Europe' etc

    When actually, e.g., there are maybe around 75 to 100 million legal civilian-owned handguns, rifles and shotguns in Europe ... There are pistol-shooting clubs in Europe's capital, Brussels

    Europeans are much more internet-discreet about guns and gold that they own, whereas Yanks talk about these things a lot

    In Europe, there tends to be more bureaucracy around gun purchases, and sadly, 'concealed carry' permits are rare and difficult to obtain, but there are boatloads of guns in civilian hands. Some French farmers have arsenals that rural Americans would envy.

    Useful site for worldwide firearms factoids, including estimates of gun ownership and possession by country:
    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/home

    In the USA, it seems that the 'gun rights' issue was cleverly used by the oligarchy to help distract USA citizens losing many of their other rights, with the 'right to concealed carry' law wave there from the 1990s onwards, whilst the USA in general became a lot more oppressive, mass jailings, police asset seizures, divorce court financial rapes, etc.

    And it is not clear that the psychologically beaten-down USA people would actually be willing to use their guns for revolt

    USA government gun confiscation experiments have been successful in 'crisis' episodes, e.g., Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, and that dodgy 'Boston Marathan' bombing, uniformed officers went door to door and found citizens meekly turned over their guns

    It will be interesting as Bolsonaro loosens up private gun ownership laws in Brazil, to see if crime is reduced

    “When actually, e.g., there are maybe around 75 to 100 million legal civilian-owned handguns, rifles and shotguns in Europe …”

    How many of those are actually militarily useful weapons that could useful in militia service? By that I mean magazine fed, semi or full-automatic, military caliber the same as the government OPFOR (5.56mm, 7.62×51, 7.62×39, 9mm Para) and in their homes? And Unregistered?

    How much ammo does the normal gun owner have? How much do governments allow?

    “And it is not clear that the psychologically beaten-down USA people would actually be willing to use their guns for revolt”

    And if the Federal government guesses wrong?

    “USA government gun confiscation experiments have been successful in ‘crisis’ episodes, e.g., Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, and that dodgy ‘Boston Marathan’ bombing, uniformed officers went door to door and found citizens meekly turned over their guns”

    On the other hand, the City of Chicago declared REGISTERED so-called “Assault Weapons” to be verboten and deregistered them. Note that the anti-gun Cosmopolitans did NOT come and collect them, they merely said that they had to be removed from Chicago. The Democratic Party did not want to have armed confrontations with known armed with AR-15 and AK-47 civilian militia.

    Someone in government must have realized:

    If the Enemy is range, then so are you.

  228. @Anonymous
    There are scads of old guns, legal or otherwise, in French, Italian and Spanish hands, which is why Fiocchi and other Euro ammo makers make long obsolete cartridges in batches. Many go to the US and back to their homelands wrapped in a sock. The French supplied pinfire cartridges until recent memory!

    I’m reading Stephen Hunter’s JFK conspiracy theory thriller “The Third Bullet” and in 2013, Bob Lee Stagger goes to a big sporting goods store and buys a box of the same bullets Lee Harvey Oswald used for his Italian rifle, bullets designed in the 19th Century to fight the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the South Tyrol.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    It is still manufactured. I don’t think you’d find it on the shelves of an American retailer these days. Possibly Cabela’s, but not very likely.
    6.5 Carcano is still available mail order though.
  229. @Anon
    A couple of points -

    1) the 50+ white people who once made Edison what it was are aging out and will soon be dead. Their houses will soon turn over to Indians as they mostly prefer to live amongst their own.

    See these stats for MLK Elementary where 80% of the population is Asian -
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NJ/schools/0450003354/school.aspx

    2) we are being lied to about how many Indians are being allowed into this country. Literally, everywhere I go they go. Airports, amusement parks, etc. are filled with Indians. We were at a popular Orlando amusement park last week and could not believe the number of Indians.

    The number of Indians moving to western English speaking countries is incredible, Canada alone brought in more than 50,000 permanent residents from India in 2017. India is, hypocritically, of course quite restrictive with their immigration policy. They are currently building a wall with Bangladesh and deporting about 4 million people.

  230. @TG
    A comment on something critical that nobody seems to remember: the migration of blacks into more northern locales is only really possible because of vitamin-D enriched foods. Whatever reasons for American blacks migrating from the south to the north, it could not have really worked much earlier. It was technology that allowed that to happen.

    And the mass migration of sub-saharan Africans into Europe and North America also could not be sustained without vitamin-D enriched foods.

    Funny how something so simple, that we take for granted, can have such wide-ranging consequences.

    Nature always wins. What happens when the power goes out? What if it’s january?

  231. Steve, do you support internal restrictions on migration as well? Serious question, BTW.

    While I strongly suspect that you’re advocate in favor of a heavy hand to enforce civil rights in the Southern U.S. much earlier, if Southern Blacks would have still wanted to move in massive numbers to the North, would you have allowed them to do this if you were in charge?

  232. @Ray Huffman
    This means that working class (native) Brits in London (proper) are very, very rare. Naturally, there are plenty of children of bankers, doctors and teachers affecting working class status but that’s just silly. Normally they’re just SJW types LARPing as the people who they usually decry as ignorant bigots. Bizarre.

    On an episode of The Osbournes, Ozzy's daughter said something about "leave it to the British to teach the Americans about class," as if she was working class, despite having been fathered by a millionaire and never having missed a meal in her life. It's similar to zillionth-generation Americans claiming to be Irish--IOW extremely annoying.

    It's also bizarre. But it's more annoying than bizarre.

    My last name came over in 1635, which makes my son a 14th-generation American. Of course most of my other ancestors 13 generations back were living in Europe at the time. Even that many generations isn’t a ton.

  233. @WHAT
    Screw off to your negro-infested hellhole of a continent and stay there. Mother Europa will decide her fate on her own, without murrican kike slaves to muck things up.

    Sorry, like it or not, we’re in this together. It’s looking more like America is a failed European outpost. Europe is the focus, and some of the further-seeing Americans can recognize that.

  234. Australia has experienced many decades of gang violence and organised crime by Lebanese. ‘White flight’ from areas dominated by Lebanese has been going on for those decades, which are now almost fully purged of ‘whites’. Especially around mosques, but Lebanese Christians have done some of the mayhem.

    Before that there was ‘white flight’ from areas taken over by mainland Chinese, who have similar cultural non-assimilation issues, although the crime is mostly among their own.

    Lebanese were admitted to Australia during the ‘white Australia’ era because they passed as whites. Now they see themselves as ‘other’. They began coming a century ago.

    Lebanese crime of the 70s and 80s in Sydney was shocking. The takeover of even my hometown by gun wielding ‘Lebs’ (who call us whites ‘Skips’) was terrifying. I fled to the hinterland in the 1990s.

    It’s funny how Americans miss what has been going on for so long, but only see something when it falls into their narrow conceptual framework. You also seem unable to grasp the histories of the British and French colonial empires. Derb whose people are from some culturally remote Yorkshire area hasn’t helped, with his untypical experience in the Far East. From Yorkshire to Hong Kong is not a good sample. North Africa was part of Metropolitan France in the 19th Century, not just a colony, just for starters.

    Are Maghrebis black or white? They pass for either. Are Lebanese black now? If it benefits them.

  235. @Steve Sailer
    I'm reading Stephen Hunter's JFK conspiracy theory thriller "The Third Bullet" and in 2013, Bob Lee Stagger goes to a big sporting goods store and buys a box of the same bullets Lee Harvey Oswald used for his Italian rifle, bullets designed in the 19th Century to fight the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the South Tyrol.

    It is still manufactured. I don’t think you’d find it on the shelves of an American retailer these days. Possibly Cabela’s, but not very likely.
    6.5 Carcano is still available mail order though.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    Ian at Forgotten Weapons recommends SG ammo for shooting quantities of hard-to-get ammo.

    https://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale/65-carcano-ammo
    , @Anonymous
    Cartridges are still manufactured for most military rifles made in any quantity since about 1890, but the Mannlicher Carcano is a piss poor rifle and the cartridge has no particular appeal outside its use in that rifle.

    The days of cheap milsurp are mostly gone, although the Obama era hoarding means a lot of that stuff will slowly seep back on the market after a while.

    Chambering a new rifle for a cartridge cheaply available seems attractive until you realize there are not many of those and of those, there is usually something pretty unattractive about them. For a long time milsurp .303 was common, but it's a rimmed cartridge, as is the 7.62x54R, thus a poor choice for a bolt gun. The SMLE and the Mosin Nagant had only one appeal to American shooters, that of cheapness. Surplus 7.62x54 turns up in military cans at gun shows all the time, but is steel cased and Berdan primed:therefore "cheap for a reason".

    The Winchester 1895 lever gun was available in both of those cartridges, but not any longer. It's been reissued from time to time but not in those calibers. One can get a barrel for either for a TC Encore break open single shot but the 7.62x54 ones are specifically sold as "Not for use with steel case cartridges": apparently these have high bolt face pressures and are only safe in bolt guns or others with similar locking lug bolts. The Mosin is ugly, crude and awkward and I have no desire to shoot one.
    , @LondonBob
    The magazine was the only Austrian part of the rifle, being designed by the legendary gun designer Mannlicher. The breech mechanism was a modified Mauser action developed by Paravicinni and Carcano at the Turin small arms factory.

    According to Chauncey Holt he was given a bunch of Mannlicher-Carcanos and Weatherby rifles to fit out our to various specifications, he assumed for some assassination attempt. What really puzzled him, apart from that anyone would be interested in such a poor rifle as the MC, was that he had to adapt some Weatherby rifles by removing the grooves and marks and given some MC bullets that had been cold fired, strong primer but no gunpowder, already. The end result being the bullet would have the marks consistent with being fired from an MC not a Weatherby, but the shot would sound muffled and lack velocity. He believes the magic bullet can be explained by this, there being one muffled shot that barely penetrated JFK's back.

    Of course Oswald thought he was ordering the more accurate long version of the MC but actually received the least accurate carbine version. Holt said he supplied two each of the adapted carbine and long rifle version of the MC to John Masen of Dallas. When Holt first saw Masen he thought he was Oswald they so looked alike.

  236. So what do other countries think about this prospect? I can’t find much in English on the topic of white flight in Europe.

    The part of Sydney in which I grew up was 99 percent white. It’s now been ethnically cleansed, I mean culturally enriched. There are no white people there now.

    White flight has been a big thing in Sydney and Melbourne.

  237. @Pericles
    To a close approximation, the official position of Sweden these days follows that of the EU, UN and Judeo-New England (but not Israel).

    For example, I have a friend, a Swedish middle-manager in Euro offices of SJW tech, who a while ago let it slip that White South Africans basically deserve being genocided. Is he a particularly evil sort or SJW? No, actually I'd say he's basically a naive, uncaring goodwhite, which as we know has morphed into an evil clown form. I don't think it would be a big leap for him to take the same stance with raciss US Whites, as long as the signal from New England was clear and strong.

    Pericles, how old is your Swedish friend?

    • Replies: @Pericles

    Pericles, how old is your Swedish friend?

     

    Over forty.
  238. @JMcG
    It is still manufactured. I don’t think you’d find it on the shelves of an American retailer these days. Possibly Cabela’s, but not very likely.
    6.5 Carcano is still available mail order though.

    Ian at Forgotten Weapons recommends SG ammo for shooting quantities of hard-to-get ammo.

    https://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale/65-carcano-ammo

  239. @Anon
    White Flight isn't all bad for whites. It means the basic tendency and even defacto right of whites to move to safety as group strategy. This happened in the 60s with many whites, Republicans and Democrats, moving to the suburbs or safer/ritzier parts of the city. And there was resistance against Busing from both Democrats and Republicans, from both working class and middle class. And the main reason wasn't Race & IQ but Race & Muscle, i.e. the reality of weaker whites being bullied and humiliated by tougher & more aggressive blacks.
    So, white flight was about white solidarity. It was about even white(and Jewish) Liberals eventually coming to see the reality of black crime & grime and moving to white areas. Back then, whiteness was under moral pressure but not vilified. The message was whiteness could be better, not that it was inherently evil.

    Since then, whiteness has been so vilified over the yrs that the notion of any white collective interest or behavior is taboo. So, if white flight of the past was about whites of all ethnic groups, regions, and classes acting with common and shared understanding of black violence and crime, the new trends are about class than race. It's not about White Flight -- based on sentiments shared by vast majority of whites -- but about Privilege Village. Privilege Village doesn't play out in terms of whites running from blacks but in terms of those with status & privilege coalescing in hip urban centers(as socio-economic magnets) and circling the wagons with means ranging from obvious to subtle. Its core modus operandi is based on wealth, status, and connection, not race. (Though globalism leads to diversity among both elites and masses, the diverse elites are better able to coordinate policies to expand their privilege than it is for diverse masses to cooperate to build power. For one thing, the elites are far fewer in number than the masses. Also, the elites are closer to one another due to their concentration in elite institutions and circles in a handful of big cities and college towns. Many know each other by face and name. In contrast, the diverse masses are spread out and hardly know one another. Also, the affinity for abstract thinking and affluence-as-reward for serving globo-homo agenda make it easier for diverse elites to put aside their tribal differences for common haute-class interests. Diversity based on carrots works smoother than Diversity based on sticks. When diverse elites conform to globo-homo agenda, it means more carrots. When diverse masses come under globo-homo regimen, it means more sticks to beat them with. Less intelligent, less keen on abstract thinking, and more desperate, the diverse masses fall into the habit of accusing one another along tribal lines and fail to form a Pan-Diverse Mass Solidarity against the elites among whom diversity is less a hindrance to consensus and coordination.)

    In contrast, the White Flight of yesteryear brought together whites of all classes. When my family moved to the suburbs, there were almost no blacks in a neighborhood where whites(and some Asians) ranged from upper middle class to working class. They had one thing in common: they did whatever they could to move away from blacks. Catholics, Protestants, Jews, etc., they all wanted safety from urban crime that has always been disproportionately black. So, even though white solidarity wasn't overt and blatant, everyone understood why they moved to the suburbs. It was clearly a white thing.

    But now, any notion of white interest or even well-being is anathema to all-pervasive Political Correctness. This doesn't mean that whites can't have it good. Indeed, many whites today have it better than ever. But they must pursue their interests in terms of class and status, not race(unless one happens to be Jewish or black). So, the essence of their worldview isn't about whites and blacks but winners and losers. The affluent whites in urban centers take pride as 'winners' and look down on whites with less as 'losers'. Even Kevin Williamson of National Review espouses such sentiment. But then, this is now a worldwide phenomenon.

    Look at Japanese elites' decision to open the gates to massive immigration. (Granted, much of the blame must go to the Japanese masses that stopped breeding. Though most Japanese are not part of the elite, a kind of universal elitism has infected too many Japanese who now refuse to breed unless they can be assured of their kids going to good schools and having good jobs. Another problem is crass hedonism and soulless materialism that made so many Japanese live for momentary pleasure than long-term obligation and meaning.)
    Now, some argue that it's stupid for the rich class to let in all the poor folks(especially from Third World nations) because the poor folks will vote for policies that tax and rob the rich. But has this happened in Latin America? It seems oligarchic power was always greater there than in homogeneous nations like Japan, historic Canada and historic Sweden(as opposed to globalist Sweden that is dying fast due to mass-immigration-invasion). Granted, Latin American situation can lead to Communist Cuba or Bolivarian Venezuela, but more often than not, diversity in Latin America has led to consolidation of elite/oligarchic power. For one thing, since the white or whiter elites see the brown or browner masses as different(despite bogus rhetoric about all 'Latinos' being harmoniously mixed) from themselves, there is little sense of connection or ethnoblesse olige. Also, because there are so many racial gradations in the diversity of Latin American masses, they've been unable to form a united alliance against the ruling class.
    In contrast, in a nation like Japan or historic Sweden, functional socialist policies went further because the elites regarded the rest of the population as part of the national family. Also, the people of Japan and Sweden have believed in equal claim to the homeland. So, even though Japanese elites have more private property, they have no more claim on Japanese Nation than the native Japanese masses do. A working class Japanese has just as much claim on Japan-as-homeland as the richest Japanese oligarch does. Because all Japanese had such a powerful collective claim on the land, their demands had to be addressed by the ruling class. And same was true in Sweden. Swedish people have been there forever, and Swedish civilization goes back many centuries. Swedish elites have more personal wealth, but they are no more deserving of Sweden-as-homeland than the Swedish masses are. Because Japan-as-homeland belongs equally to elites and masses, the elites must be mindful of the masses as fellow nationals. And because even working class Swedes have roots going back centuries(even millennia if we count the barbarian eras), the Swedish elites must recognize them as co-owners of the nation. So, Japanese masses and Swedish masses aren't merely rent-seekers or nomadic boarders but co-owners of the nation as 'sacred homeland'. That implies a lot of moral power and legitimacy among the people. It suggests a concept of claim-and-ownership that goes beyond private property(of libertarianism). According to the notion of private property, your worth counts only on the individual level of personal possession and contract. If you have a lot, you are a winner. If you have little, you're a loser.
    In contrast, if there is a concept of National Property, even the poorest person of the nation has something precious. Even he has a 'covenant' with the nation, a deeper concept than capital or constitution. Value by capital is about who has more money. Value by constitution is about protections under the law. Covenant, in contrast, says your connection to the land is sacred and eternal. Israeli nationalism is based on the covenant. You could be a Jew living in a goy nation, and your ancestors could have been away from the Holy Land for 1000 yrs. But as a Jew, you have an eternal connection & covenant with the land of Israel. It goes beyond capital and is deeper than constitution.

    A person is pulled by two forces: tribalism and elitism. On the tribal level, a person instinctively feels closer to his own kind. And yet, he also wants to be with the 'best', whatever the cost in terms of tribal solidarity.
    On the one hand, a white person has an instinctive feeling of closeness with fellow whites. However, in his ambition for riches and privilege, he may wish to identify more with Bread than Blood. While the world of success could be overwhelmingly white, it could also be highly diverse with many non-white actors(who are equally obsessed with position and privilege). If a white person had to choose between middle class status among whites and upper class status among globo-homo diversity, he may well choose the latter because people want MORE and BETTER(especially in a world where affluence and narcissism are the biggest idols). Immigration patterns sure bear this out. So many non-whites are eager to depart from their own ancestral lands, national kinfolk, and deep culture to start new lives in richer nations even if it means loss of identity and culture, especially among their children who racially mix with others, take up the globo-homo flag, and come to know only one lingo: American English and Ebonics.

    We don't have much in the way of classic Marxist class-consciousness anymore, but class-outlook is bigger than ever in some ways. If Marxism placed proletarian class consciousness at the center of social, moral, and historical discourse, globalism puts elite class consciousness at the center of all things. Indeed, the promotion of homomania is less a blow against class politics than a promotion of elite-class politics. The difference from Marxism is that class discussion has moved from the needs of proles to the preferences of the globogeoisie. Homos are useful to the elites because homos are vain, narcissistic, and obsessed with riches and privilege(as with the 'gay butler' in WOLF OF WALL STREET).

    Anyway, in a globo-homo world where the elites of every nation mainly fixate on status, success, privilege, and connections, their main focus is not tribal connection with the native masses but neo-aristo-class affinity with other elites around the world(and especially those in the US and EU), with whom they or their kids marry. (According to Charles Murray's COMING APART, an educated white male graduate of Harvard was likely to marry his white hometown sweetheart in an America prior to the rise of mass non-white immigration and feminism, but today, a white attendee of elite institution has a good chance of marrying a non-white based on status and connection than any other consideration.) With such as the main prerogatives of the globo-homo class, the natural tendency of globo elites is to weaken, subvert, de-legitimize, and eradicate any obstacle to their power. One of those obstacles is a sense of national obligation of the elites to the masses. And this obligation is especially powerful IF the masses are seen as co-owners of the National Property based on a ethno-historical covenant. Under such premise, the elites must regard and treat the masses as fellow nationals and comrades. But this is economically a burden to the elites. It means the masses are deserving of decent wages, protections, and benefits, all of which are expensive, demanding, and burdensome(from the vantage point of elites with limitless ambition for MORE). The native masses can make such demands AS LONG AS they have a moral claim to the nation as co-owners based on shared ethnicity, history, and territoriality. After all, it's like the Jewish Covenant applies to all Jews, from richest to poorest. Likewise, the national covenant says even the poorest native has equal claim to the land as shared-national-property. Under the covenant theory, if we were to see a nation as a house, then everyone in the house has equal right to be there. He is a co-owner of the house. But if the covenant theory is removed, one's place in the house becomes a matter of capital or constitution. So, those with more capital have more claim on the house because he owns more shares. Or, if residency is determined by constitution, one's place in the house is merely that of the law. So, if the house is opened to newcomers who agree to follow house rules, they have equal claim to the house. Canadian-ness is now all about capital and constitution. If rich Hindus and Chinese arrive, they are more valuable as 'Canadians'(due to their infusions of capital) than white working class Canadians with deep roots are. And in the US, an immigrant with citizenship(after mere 5 yrs) is just as much an American as any white person with ancestry going back 100 or more yrs. The meaning of historical covenant is negated for the founding Anglo/American stock.
    National concept based on capital favors only the elites. It's no wonder that US white elites feel closer to Jewish elites, Asian elites, and black elites than to white masses. Nation based primarily on the constitution favors immigrant-invaders over the founding native stock. After all, if the essence of the nation is based on the Law, then any newcomer who pledges to live by those laws have equal claim on the land. What would happen to Israel if 5 million Muslims could move there and pledge to respect the liberal-democratic laws of Israel? Democracy may survive, but Israel-as-Jewish-homeland certainly won't. Indeed, if Jewish elites in Israel only cared about their privilege and status, they might as well get rid of the 'covenantial' foundation of Israel and just focus on capital and constitution. They will likely make more money by replacing Jewish workers with cheaper ones and by forging closer ties with non-Jewish globalist elites than with their own tribal brethren of all classes.

    Whether it's UK or Japan, the elites are under globo-homo mindset and think mainly in terms of status, haute class, and privilege. And they want more and more in the competition of keeping-up-with-the-globo-homonses. And in order for them to have MORE, they need access to cheaper labor and increased interaction with global capital.
    At this point, even if patriotic elites wanted a nationalist economy, it might be impossible. Suppose a globalized nation returns to nationalist mode and tries to offer decent wages and benefits to its national workers. But that would lead to higher production costs, which could mean an inability to compete on the global scale with trans-national companies that snub national interests in favor of globalist domination of market share. Pat Buchanan mentioned this problem in one of his books. Under globalism, even US companies that wanted to keep its factories in the America and hire local workers simply could not compete with companies that shipped their factories to Mexico or China. And US medical companies that stick with American-born professionals may not be able to compete with globalist companies that hire Asian-Indian professionals for 1/4 of the cost.

    Nationalism is about UNITY of elites and the masses with a shared sense of covenant of ethnicity, history, and territoriality. This can be the basis of a sound and stable nation. However, it places brakes on elite ambitions because they are forced to be mindful of the working masses not merely as employees but as fellow comrades with shared stake and ownership of the national property. Elites under nationalism feel like Guido in the opening dream sequence in Fellini's 8 1/2. They soar up into the sky but are prevented from flying off.

    Nationalism has a kite-like effect on the elites. They rise high but remain bound to the land and folk. Globalism severs the ties to the land so that all the elite-kites could fly off and form their own globo-sky-island like the one in LAPUTA: CASTLE IN THE SKY. And once the elites are freed from the leashes of nationalism, they feel freer than ever and become obsessed with nothing but more wealth, more status, and more privilege(and with the dream of immortality and quasi-divinity, as transhumanism is about man-into-godism, or man going from worshiping gods to using science to become gods). And yet, the globalist elites also feel more vulnerable because their own people no longer trust them and turn to populist anger? But then, why should the national masses trust the globalized elites who openly renounce any notion of covenant with race, culture, and nation(which is apparently too 'petty' for their globalist ambition for all-the-world-as-their-oyster) and pontificate as to how the native masses must be replaced with endless waves of immigrant-invaders? To subvert and sabotage national mass revolt, the elites push Diversity, the opposite of Unity so integral to nationalism. Diversity, a tool of globalism and imperialism, turns a nation into a hodge-podge of different groups, and the diversity makes it near-impossible for collective action against the elites.

    Also, the elites see great advantage in immigrationism(or migrationism) because it undermines the 'covenantial' claim by the masses to the land. When UK and France were in nationalist mode, the masses had moral advantage over the 'exploitative' elites and could make demands on them on the basis that elites and masses shared common destiny as co-owners of the homeland. After all, nationalism emphasizes the covenant between native masses and the nation(as their sacred homeland). In contrast, globalist immigrationism or migrationism says that newcomers have just as much 'right' to the nation. This negates the notion of racial-historical-territorial covenant among the natives. Also, the newcomers, lacking deep roots and protected only by the constitution, don't feel much of a claim to the land either. At most, they can argue that they have legal(or constitutional) right to live there but not much else. Thus, both native masses and newcomers are rendered into renters or rent-seekers(than co-owners) of the nation, the only real value of which has been reduced to that of capital. (Ownership is meaningless if made 'inclusive'. If you own a car, but then, if it can be 'owned' and used by everyone else as well, your claim on the car becomes effectively meaningless. If White Americans are said to be owners of America but are prevented from stopping endless immigration-invasions by non-whites to also become co-owners, America comes to be owned only by the elites with capital[because private property, unlike national property, continues to remain in 'exclusive' mode, i.e. in the hands of the owner-class, that is unless communism does to private property what globalism does to national property; indeed, if globalism cannot be stopped, the masses should get their revenge by using communism against the globo-homo elites; if globalist elites take away your national property, take away their private property]. True ownership means you or your people get to KEEP the property than letting it fall into the hands of others. It is like marriage, which becomes pointless if you can't keep your spouse as your special partner bound to you and only you. If your spouse must be made 'inclusive' to other peoples, he/she is really just a whore. While globalism makes every individual feel superficially freer as a 'citizen of the world', most people fail to gain anything while losing forever what was tangible and priceless: A special, even sacred, homeland.)

    Now, why don't Jewish elites go whole hog and do likewise as the goy elites(who are, to be sure, under the thumb of Jewish elites)? If white elites and Asian elites have more to gain for themselves by ditching the National Covenant(that binds them to needs of the native masses or co-ethnics) in favor of Global Capital, why don't Jewish elites act in the same manner? Why do Jews insist on sticking to the National Covenant?
    One reason is there are far fewer Jews in the world and many of them are in the upper-ranks. So, there is less of a burden among Jewish elites to take into consideration the well-being of Jewish masses. But what about Israel, a nation with a large number of non-rich Jews? Isn't it an economic burden on Jewish elites to be ever mindful of less well-off Jews in Israel? Sure, but Jewish power around the world has coerced goy nations to bankroll Israel to the tune of billions of dollars a year and other favors and benefits. So, it's not so much rich Jews taking care of lesser Jews but rich Jews making goyim take care of lesser Jews. That's some clever thinking.

    <golf clap>

    Excellent piece.  I wish you had posted under a unique nick to make this piece easier to find and quote in the future.

  240. @lavoisier
    Shouldn't the black population start making themselves more worthy of being welcomed?

    Better yet, make their own societies livable so they do not need to seek welcome in other nations.

    Shouldn’t the black population start making themselves more worthy of being welcomed?

    I think you have missed the point of TNB.

    Better yet, make their own societies livable so they do not need to seek welcome in other nations.

    The world is divided by mental capacity into people who analyze their own deficiencies and can create livable societies, and people who blame their failures on others and create cargo cults.  Blacks are in the latter category.

  241. @anon
    White flight is happening in all the states that are losing population - CA, IL, NY, CT. Of course it had already happened to big cities like NYC, Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, New Orleans since the 70's.

    Edison NJ is famously Indian but in the 2010 Census was 28% Indian and 44% white.
     
    The 2020 census will be vastly different. The Seattle suburbs of Bellevue and Redmond are now minority majority. The foreign born population grew 5 fold in the last 2 decades and 70% are from Asia, mainly China and India. In my neighborhood every time a white family moves out (mostly empty nesters or relocation out of state), a Chinese or Indian family moves in, almost without fail.

    Yes, this rings true. My hometown (a Seattle suburb) appears to be majority South Asian now, a drastic change since I went to high school there in the late 1990s. Rush hour was unheard of there 20 years ago, but now it is a fixture. High rise condos are going up everywhere. The place is unrecognizable, and noticeably much more crowded. When going out shopping, you often find you’re the only non South Asian at a store, for instance.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    And I assume that you are in the prime child bearing age. How many white children have you made, in order to help the white demographic side?
  242. @Anna Pavlova
    Yes, this rings true. My hometown (a Seattle suburb) appears to be majority South Asian now, a drastic change since I went to high school there in the late 1990s. Rush hour was unheard of there 20 years ago, but now it is a fixture. High rise condos are going up everywhere. The place is unrecognizable, and noticeably much more crowded. When going out shopping, you often find you're the only non South Asian at a store, for instance.

    And I assume that you are in the prime child bearing age. How many white children have you made, in order to help the white demographic side?

  243. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @JMcG
    It is still manufactured. I don’t think you’d find it on the shelves of an American retailer these days. Possibly Cabela’s, but not very likely.
    6.5 Carcano is still available mail order though.

    Cartridges are still manufactured for most military rifles made in any quantity since about 1890, but the Mannlicher Carcano is a piss poor rifle and the cartridge has no particular appeal outside its use in that rifle.

    The days of cheap milsurp are mostly gone, although the Obama era hoarding means a lot of that stuff will slowly seep back on the market after a while.

    Chambering a new rifle for a cartridge cheaply available seems attractive until you realize there are not many of those and of those, there is usually something pretty unattractive about them. For a long time milsurp .303 was common, but it’s a rimmed cartridge, as is the 7.62x54R, thus a poor choice for a bolt gun. The SMLE and the Mosin Nagant had only one appeal to American shooters, that of cheapness. Surplus 7.62×54 turns up in military cans at gun shows all the time, but is steel cased and Berdan primed:therefore “cheap for a reason”.

    The Winchester 1895 lever gun was available in both of those cartridges, but not any longer. It’s been reissued from time to time but not in those calibers. One can get a barrel for either for a TC Encore break open single shot but the 7.62×54 ones are specifically sold as “Not for use with steel case cartridges”: apparently these have high bolt face pressures and are only safe in bolt guns or others with similar locking lug bolts. The Mosin is ugly, crude and awkward and I have no desire to shoot one.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    Ammunition is often available for calibers that haven't been chambered in new firearms for decades. My local Dick's Sporting Goods sells new ammo in 30-40 Krag even though the last rifles in that chambering were made in 1903. 8mm French Lebel ammo is still reasonably available about 100 years after the last rifles stopped production. By these standards the 6.5x52 Carcano is a youngster.

    There are, however, some exceptions. Remington introduced a 5mm rifle in the late 1960's, but it sold poorly and production ended after just a few years. Soon after the production of the ammo ceased, except for a brief production run by a Mexican company about ten years ago. Anyone who still has one of the rifles, keep in mind firearms can last for many generations, is out of luck today unless they manage to find some very expensive old ammo online. Ammunition availability for some of the huge Nitro Express elephant guns effectively ceased for many years but more recently production has resumed.
  244. @Endgame Napoleon
    White South Africans, fleeing violence by emigrating to Australia, might help to fund some pension schemes, as would a few Black professionals. Welfare-dependent migration from everywhere is draining public resources by the multi billions, while not contributing much in taxes or other revenue since so much of the work is done under-the-table. And immigrants send billions out of Western countries in remittances—$28 billion every year out of the USA, sent to Mexico by illegal aliens who consume $113 billion yearly in welfare and other public services.

    Are they staffing the nursing homes, changing the bed pans of the aging US population?

    No, they are not, as you know if you have ever processed EBT & cash assistance cases. The illegal alien mommas, getting hundreds in monthly welfare for US-born kids and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash, bring in the SS cards of their kids and proof of traceable income that falls under the income limits for the programs.

    The proof of income for EBT and monthly cash assistance—the 8 required paycheck stubs—is from a husband or a boyfriend in almost every case.

    The womb-productive, welfare-eligible, female illegal aliens are mostly .gov-financed stay-at-home moms, not caregivers for an aging US population, while the welfare-eligible single moms who are US citizens go in and out of temp or part-time jobs, mostly retail, food services and ”voted-best-for-moms” office jobs, like corporate call center jobs and corporate back-office jobs.

    People who say otherwise are being dishonest; it is all on their work-history screens.

    Parents qualify for welfare, in single-breadwinner households, in months when they either have no earned income or little earned income due to working few hours.

    The income limits are very low, providing welfare-eligible womb producers with a financial incentive to work few hours for low pay or to work in temp positions, collecting welfare during non-working months. It provides their employers with a financial incentive to offer mostly jobs that will not cover rent for non-welfare-eligible citizens. .Gov makes up the difference between what living expenses cost and what employers pay their chosen workforce: single mommas and legal / illegal immigrant parents in male-breadwinner households.

    America’s cheapskate part-time / temp employers also hire married moms with spousal income that covers most bills, divorced moms with rent-covering child-support checks, college kids whose parents cover most of their bills and elderly people with SS-financed major bills.

    With or without children, married couples always go over the income limits for welfare when there are two earners per household, as opposed to an illegal alien stay-at-home mom and an illegal alien dad with low, traceable income. With very few exceptions, single, childless, able-bodied citizens (ABAWDs) qualify for nothing but 3 months of EBT-only every three years.

    Since EBT for one person is nothing, a little over $100 per month for 3 months only, most childless citizens never / ever apply, regardless of income. It is not worth the effort, whereas for the womb-prolific households of citizens and noncitizens who “work the system,” EBT alone can be as high as $800 per month, with the average single momma getting $450 per month in just EBT.

    Cash assustsnce is close to the same amount, but is a little harder to get since the income limit is about $50-per-month lower, and the moms must name the fathers of the children so that .gov can try to get the non-custodial fathers to pay the state back. Imagine how successful this process is: chasing down non-welfare-eligible sperm providers, making just as little as the womb producers who are showered with monthly welfare and, on top of the monthly welfare, bigly annual welfare checks up to $6,431 to spend as they please from the progressive tax code.

    Due to withholding, these welfare-consuming womb producers make more than their welfare-ineligible counterparts in adjacent cubicles, including the suckers working far more hours than them, and generating far more sales than them, for less than enough pay to cover the rent for a one-room apartment.

    This welfare-rigged system has driven down wages and hours for millions of non-welfare-eligible citizens, needing for earned-only income to cover all household bills.

    When employers are looking for workers with ”somethin’ comin’ in” from government that enables them to accept inadequate hours and rock-bottom-low pay, hard work has no reward, hence the extremely low laborforce-participation rate in the USA.

    It is not much of a revenue-producing, pension-undergirding system—this womb-privileged spoils system. It does result in a lot of reproduction in some quarters, however.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/08/27/cash-distributed-under-ssi-for-children-now-exceeds-welfare/ek0peSWTLJ00YId0CONFYI/story.html

    Aid to disabled children now outstrips welfare
    As SSI expands, debate intensifies
    By Patricia Wen Globe Staff August 28, 2014

    WASHINGTON — A controversial federal benefits program provided about $20 billion to low-income families with disabled children over the last two years, quietly eclipsing traditional welfare programs to become the biggest source of monthly cash for the nation’s poorest families, new data shows.

    The dramatic growth of the children’s Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program has led some researchers to suggest it has simply replaced welfare as a primary source of cash for many families who lost benefits due to the much-touted welfare reforms of the mid-1990s.

    The expansion also comes amid a growing recognition among lawmakers and policy analysts that children’s disabilities, especially harder-to-assess ones like ADHD, have become a gateway to receive the best government cash benefits available today, and this trend deserves closer study.

    My problem with SSI programs for disabled children is that incentivized some parents to encourage their children to behave badly to keep being eligible. Telling a parent that their children’s conditions had improved and no longer qualify, should not sent them into rage and beating their children until their children’s behaviors worsen again. And it encouraged parent with proven genetic issues to have more children so they can maintain their cash flow as old children became adults.

  245. @Rob McX
    The big question is this: Why are the rulers of white countries orchestrating this invasion? They could stop it (or refrain from facilitating it, to be more precise) any time they wanted. They seem to think they can ruin their countries but somehow remain immune from the consequences themselves.

    Hint:

    The Economist magazine.

  246. European-descended peoples everywhere were heading towards white utopia status in the second half of the 20th century. There was less conflict among themselves, and with the help of science and technology they were eliminating poverty, disease, child labour, etc. They had clean, peaceful and safe countries. But then they said, “No, wait – let’s import millions of Africans and Asians and turn our people into fugitives in their own land as they scramble to get away from them”. The craziest part is that the criminals responsible for this are still walking around.

  247. @Reg Cæsar

    For me the striking thing in London is that there are not really homogenous black areas, and areas like Brixton have become less black as whites moved back in from the late 1990s on – the cctv era. But there are vast homogenous south Asian areas.
     
    What's it like on the Old Kent Road today?



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PujhoEHzGc


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohi_8ThTPTg

    As it happens, the Old Kent Road these days is a Nigerian stronghold.

  248. @Anonymous
    I'm pretty certain, in my own mind, that the Indian government has the express intention of planting as many Indians as possible in the west.

    This could be for any number of reasons, for instance lack of opportunity in India, or a long term conspiracy to replace and dominate westerners in their own native lands. Likely it's a combination of these two reasons, and other obscure reasons known to Indian policymakers themselves.

    Suffice to say the 'bargain' of linking 'more Indians' with 'trade' seems to be the default Indian negotiating position. Something is *definitely* going on.

    True to form, dumb white Economist reading cucks will be taken in by the wiley Indians.

    I think Indians, above all, see themselves as traders and – in alien societies – potential middle men. Their tight networking and ethnic favoritism and endemic corruption can actually be a tremendous advantage in these situations.

    They are often plausible and somewhat articulate which helps to cover up for any weaknesses during the time needed to lock down trading/business networks. (I am generalizing: there are numbers of genuinely smart Indians.)

    I think the idea is that the diaspora will be lead by the more enterprising characters assisted by serried ranks of mediocrities. Instinctively it is a way for India to use the diaspora to finesse their inability to match the Chinese in intellectual punching power.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I really can't help thinking that there is a long term game plan being played by the Indian establishment - the end game being the takeover of western nations from within, first by capturing the elite, and then by importing the masses.

    The Indians, *the* inherited masters of cunning and subterfuge know full well what they are dealing with - dumb as pigshit Economist-whipped conceited white elites - and they ate playing them like the proverbial violin.

    There's been a lot of fixation here about Africa's growing population, but the even more important fact that India has nigh on 1.3 billion inhabitants it simply cannot support in dignified life is curiously ignored.

    Part of the Indian plan to shift excess population onto the white west is simply that. It cannot support its population and *must* off load - to the dumbest gullible Economist whipped fools.
    But, it's even more sinister than that. I distinctly detect a full blown 'takeover bid', be played by degrees. Bit by bit. Little by little.

    I won't live long enough to be born out correct, but I'm utterly convinced it will come to pass.
  249. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill B.
    I think Indians, above all, see themselves as traders and - in alien societies - potential middle men. Their tight networking and ethnic favoritism and endemic corruption can actually be a tremendous advantage in these situations.

    They are often plausible and somewhat articulate which helps to cover up for any weaknesses during the time needed to lock down trading/business networks. (I am generalizing: there are numbers of genuinely smart Indians.)

    I think the idea is that the diaspora will be lead by the more enterprising characters assisted by serried ranks of mediocrities. Instinctively it is a way for India to use the diaspora to finesse their inability to match the Chinese in intellectual punching power.

    I really can’t help thinking that there is a long term game plan being played by the Indian establishment – the end game being the takeover of western nations from within, first by capturing the elite, and then by importing the masses.

    The Indians, *the* inherited masters of cunning and subterfuge know full well what they are dealing with – dumb as pigshit Economist-whipped conceited white elites – and they ate playing them like the proverbial violin.

    There’s been a lot of fixation here about Africa’s growing population, but the even more important fact that India has nigh on 1.3 billion inhabitants it simply cannot support in dignified life is curiously ignored.

    Part of the Indian plan to shift excess population onto the white west is simply that. It cannot support its population and *must* off load – to the dumbest gullible Economist whipped fools.
    But, it’s even more sinister than that. I distinctly detect a full blown ‘takeover bid’, be played by degrees. Bit by bit. Little by little.

    I won’t live long enough to be born out correct, but I’m utterly convinced it will come to pass.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    The Indians made liberalising Britain's immigration laws a precondition of free trade deals and Britain has been the sole opponent of liberalising work permits for Indians in the EU, watch out for that once we leave. They definitely don't cooperate in deportation efforts. Of course outsourcing is a big industry in India so they also lobby for all this.
    , @Bill B.

    I distinctly detect a full blown ‘takeover bid’
     
    I just don't know, but at least one can imagine that they will push this as far as they can. Why not; worked for Mexico.

    In the case of the UK in particular there is a lot of Indian interest in buying up the place for reasons of status and a sense of having finally arrived. I know real estate agents in London who say their is a tremendous potential demand for British property.

    One thing I have noticed with Europeans (Americans appear much less susceptible) and the British very much so is the strange benefit of the doubt and perception of deep mystery and romance in Indian culture and life generally that tends to befuddle these observers.

    It is an interesting and complicated culture but it is quite dysfunctional and crude in other ways. Indians also do not give a flying f**k about what Europeans might think about them through rose tinted glasses except in how this might be exploited. Younger generations of Indians IMO despise whites who seek to play the I-understand-your-culture-because-I-am-woke card.

    , @Oliver Cromwell
    India has an African level of economic development but a European birth rate that is continuing to drop. At the same time Indians are largely docile including those with very low IQs - not likely instigators of a crime wave. India is the biggest nothing of this century. It won't develop internally into a technological great powrr and while its diaspora will become increasingly powerful in the West it isn't likely to kick much back to the motherland. Indians betray each other as happily as they exploit foreigners and there is nothing worthwhile in the motherland.
  250. @sayless
    Pericles, how old is your Swedish friend?

    Pericles, how old is your Swedish friend?

    Over forty.

  251. @JMcG
    It is still manufactured. I don’t think you’d find it on the shelves of an American retailer these days. Possibly Cabela’s, but not very likely.
    6.5 Carcano is still available mail order though.

    The magazine was the only Austrian part of the rifle, being designed by the legendary gun designer Mannlicher. The breech mechanism was a modified Mauser action developed by Paravicinni and Carcano at the Turin small arms factory.

    According to Chauncey Holt he was given a bunch of Mannlicher-Carcanos and Weatherby rifles to fit out our to various specifications, he assumed for some assassination attempt. What really puzzled him, apart from that anyone would be interested in such a poor rifle as the MC, was that he had to adapt some Weatherby rifles by removing the grooves and marks and given some MC bullets that had been cold fired, strong primer but no gunpowder, already. The end result being the bullet would have the marks consistent with being fired from an MC not a Weatherby, but the shot would sound muffled and lack velocity. He believes the magic bullet can be explained by this, there being one muffled shot that barely penetrated JFK’s back.

    Of course Oswald thought he was ordering the more accurate long version of the MC but actually received the least accurate carbine version. Holt said he supplied two each of the adapted carbine and long rifle version of the MC to John Masen of Dallas. When Holt first saw Masen he thought he was Oswald they so looked alike.

  252. @Anonymous
    I really can't help thinking that there is a long term game plan being played by the Indian establishment - the end game being the takeover of western nations from within, first by capturing the elite, and then by importing the masses.

    The Indians, *the* inherited masters of cunning and subterfuge know full well what they are dealing with - dumb as pigshit Economist-whipped conceited white elites - and they ate playing them like the proverbial violin.

    There's been a lot of fixation here about Africa's growing population, but the even more important fact that India has nigh on 1.3 billion inhabitants it simply cannot support in dignified life is curiously ignored.

    Part of the Indian plan to shift excess population onto the white west is simply that. It cannot support its population and *must* off load - to the dumbest gullible Economist whipped fools.
    But, it's even more sinister than that. I distinctly detect a full blown 'takeover bid', be played by degrees. Bit by bit. Little by little.

    I won't live long enough to be born out correct, but I'm utterly convinced it will come to pass.

    The