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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

Living Large No Longer

by Steve Sailer

Just as the 21st century has witnessed the paradox of the rhetoric of white privilege and the reality of white death, we’ve also seen increasing black privilege, but with the benefits flowing mostly to the whitest of blacks. The ongoing flight from white helps those blacks who are almost but not quite white, such as former national security adviser Susan Rice and her affirmative-action-eligible children.

White elites are happy to promote black privilege because they don’t see many American blacks as being anything other than token competition for their children at getting the really good jobs. …

African-American culture is spectacularly successful at producing sports and entertainment celebrities, but depressingly dysfunctional at uplifting the black masses and making them competitive. Therefore, despite growing demand for African-Americans to fill set-aside jobs, ever fewer typical black Americans are up to the minimum demands of analytical jobs.

Thus, the roles as spokesmodels for African-Americans are increasingly being filled by an odd assortment of immigrants and Americans with at least one white parent.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. While white identity and pride are at a bit of a nadir, odds favor a resurgence. The old hushed-up bit of knowledge that anti-Semitism can be a glue that binds Jews together – well anti-Whitism also works this way on whites.

    A lot of white people are pretty calm and even-tempered until they snap. When we snap in an organized fashion, we get shit done.

    In any case, white people have done a lot of cool stuff throughout history. How can anyone not look upon the awesome things we have accomplished, the progress in every facet of human accomplishment and not feel a welling of pride within oneself? I certainly do, and there are loads of parents of white children who feel the same way, even if they aren’t vocal about it yet.

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonym

    I have a feeling that White Europeans will snap before we do. When they do finally snap, it'll also be quite hard. Of all the White Euro ethnic groups, the Germans may snap the hardest.

    This Syrian invasion is disastrous in the short term, but it's showing Europeans just how much immigration is destroying the fabric of their societies. The bad behavior of these refugees will act as a catalyst for the various right-wing nationalist parties.

    Here's a prediction. Within a decade, most of Europe will be under ethnonationalist governments.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jack D, @Olorin, @SMK, @SMK, @SMK

    , @snorlax
    @Anonym

    Unfortunately I don't see a whole lot of banding together: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    Replies: @Federalist

    , @Thea
    @Anonym

    I think we will go the way of the wooly mammoth by 2200. Maybe the Slavs will still be here but I see zero reason for optimism about a white awakening.

    Femenism has turned too many into mulatto producers. This has a chain reaction on the rest of the family and prevents others whites from going to far.

    Replies: @Anonym

    , @MBlanc46
    @Anonym

    I've already snapped.

    , @Jeff77450
    @Anonym

    Well said.

  2. Someone married her?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    Screaming Jay Hopkins?

    , @Cindy
    @Anon

    She has beautiful eyes.

  3. • Replies: @Ed
    @George

    Pugh does the prudent thing by vetoing a $15 per hour minimum wage in a city where many are simply unemployable but is bashed by black media. Good luck leading a group of people that can't grasp simple economics.

    Replies: @Jack D

  4. ‘African-American culture is spectacularly good at producing sports and entertainment celebrities.’

    Not really, Steve.
    AA GENETICS is good at producing sportstars.
    SCOTS-IRISH culture manifactures black celebretards.

  5. @Anon
    https://media2.wnyc.org/i/720/600/c/80/1/RebeccaCarroll.jpg


    Someone married her?

    Replies: @anon, @Cindy

    Screaming Jay Hopkins?

  6. I love how the child’s mother acts like he is giving up the great gift of “white privilege” by indentifying as black. If white privilege was so powerful, tons of blacks would try to indentify as whites. But they don’t, which proves white privilege doesn’t even exist.

    But the author isn’t bright enough to put those pieces together but even if she could, such thinking is so wrong she probably couldn’t even form the thought.

    • Agree: Travis
  7. As Hillary’s failure to motivate blacks in key Electoral College states to turn out suggests, the future increasingly belongs to the small number of individuals who can, Obama-like, scrape together some biological claim to blackness without being weighed down by African-American cultural traits.

    It’s all the worse when you consider that this “small number of [Obama-like] individuals” will often turn into a clique or cabal. We don’t have to imagine this. Susan Rice was part of the “mulatto Mafia” (along with Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Jeh Johnson, and of course, Obama himself) that had such sway over national security in Obama’s administration.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @Thomas

    I think this presents the horns of a dilemma for the Democrats - despite all of their caterwauling about gerrymandering, the reason that Congressional seats are gerrymandered to the point they are is because Democrats need to create majority-minority districts so that they get racial minority Representatives in the Democratic Congressional caucus. But it's rare that minorities will turnout in high numbers to vote for white Democrat Representative candidates. So if they unwind the majority-minority districts to spread Democrat votes more widely, they'll depress minority voter turnout and lose their branding as the black party. (Note that the supposedly "gerrymandered," uncompetative districts are the ones that go 53% for the Republican, rather than the black districts that go 94% for the black Democrat even when under indictment for corruption).

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @MBlanc46
    @Thomas

    A mulatto elite? Sounds like Haiti.

    , @Ed
    @Thomas

    In fairness to Hillary, Latino candidates in Latino strongholds can't turn out their people either.

    https://twitter.com/julito77/status/849588219024900097

  8. @Thomas

    As Hillary’s failure to motivate blacks in key Electoral College states to turn out suggests, the future increasingly belongs to the small number of individuals who can, Obama-like, scrape together some biological claim to blackness without being weighed down by African-American cultural traits.
     
    It's all the worse when you consider that this "small number of [Obama-like] individuals" will often turn into a clique or cabal. We don't have to imagine this. Susan Rice was part of the "mulatto Mafia" (along with Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Jeh Johnson, and of course, Obama himself) that had such sway over national security in Obama's administration.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @MBlanc46, @Ed

    I think this presents the horns of a dilemma for the Democrats – despite all of their caterwauling about gerrymandering, the reason that Congressional seats are gerrymandered to the point they are is because Democrats need to create majority-minority districts so that they get racial minority Representatives in the Democratic Congressional caucus. But it’s rare that minorities will turnout in high numbers to vote for white Democrat Representative candidates. So if they unwind the majority-minority districts to spread Democrat votes more widely, they’ll depress minority voter turnout and lose their branding as the black party. (Note that the supposedly “gerrymandered,” uncompetative districts are the ones that go 53% for the Republican, rather than the black districts that go 94% for the black Democrat even when under indictment for corruption).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas

    As American becomes less white (and the wrong kind of white) gerrymandering becomes less effective. After the 2010 census redistricting, the township where I live (lots of college educated upscale whites who nowadays lean Democrat) got detached from the Republican district to our west (so that it would remain a safe Republican seat) and attached to a black district in Philadelphia. Last year they sent our Congressman ("Chaka Fattah") to jail for corruption but his replacement was another black Democrat from the city - my congressman will be a black Democrat forever now. You can only throw so many whites overboard before there are not enough left to support a "safe" district.

    Replies: @bored identity

  9. http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/us/teen-ivy-league-trnd/index.html

    I cannot believe CNN runs with these stories still. It’s never an Asian kid or a White but always a minority. At what point do people start seeing this as privilege?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Yak-15

    Yeah. You'd think that they (CNN) would get the message that people see thru this stuff. On the other hand, when you consider that the viewership that watches CNN is usually the same group that watches PBS NewsHour and listens to NPR, why should anyone be surprised?

    Replies: @Ivy

    , @Triumph104
    @Yak-15

    Ask and you shall receive -- white Fargo teen just got in all eight Ivy League colleges.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/05/us/nd-teen-ivy-league-trnd/

    Replies: @Truth

  10. @Anonym
    While white identity and pride are at a bit of a nadir, odds favor a resurgence. The old hushed-up bit of knowledge that anti-Semitism can be a glue that binds Jews together - well anti-Whitism also works this way on whites.

    A lot of white people are pretty calm and even-tempered until they snap. When we snap in an organized fashion, we get shit done.

    In any case, white people have done a lot of cool stuff throughout history. How can anyone not look upon the awesome things we have accomplished, the progress in every facet of human accomplishment and not feel a welling of pride within oneself? I certainly do, and there are loads of parents of white children who feel the same way, even if they aren't vocal about it yet.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @snorlax, @Thea, @MBlanc46, @Jeff77450

    I have a feeling that White Europeans will snap before we do. When they do finally snap, it’ll also be quite hard. Of all the White Euro ethnic groups, the Germans may snap the hardest.

    This Syrian invasion is disastrous in the short term, but it’s showing Europeans just how much immigration is destroying the fabric of their societies. The bad behavior of these refugees will act as a catalyst for the various right-wing nationalist parties.

    Here’s a prediction. Within a decade, most of Europe will be under ethnonationalist governments.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That would depend on who is in power in the US, a leftist administration would use the US bases and the Turkish Army (largest in NATO) to coerce electoral fraud or launch an open coup a la 1956 Hungary. (quite the irony)

    Continued ethnoreligious tensions, and possible escalation, are dependent on the state of the economy. Blair won three elections under a boom, and Brown could have won a fourth in 2008 but chickened out.

    The Middle East also has a chance of stabilization in the 2020s, as the surplus of angry young men has been cut down. Gulf Arab fertility is also heading towards bust.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    If you look at a place like Sweden, or even Germany, there's very little sign of backlash. It's just all nice white ladies all they way down. Maybe there will be a backlash someday but it will be too late. Hillary and all her experts thought (and not without good reason) that it was too late for an American white backlash and it ALMOST was - it was a close run thing. And it's not really over - they still think Trump is a passing fad and soon things will go back to "normal".

    There's always the possibility that by the time you awake to the danger it's too late to do anything about it. People engage in protective denial a lot. Western societies are full of denial now. Part of the reason why Jews did not mount an effective resistance to the Holocaust is that they literally refused to believe what was happening. There were a few people who managed to escape from the extermination camps and when they went back to Warsaw or Lodz or whatever and told the community where those trains were going they were simply disbelieved. Part of it was that it was unprecedented but part of it was just protective denial because it was too big a problem to deal with in any normal way. The Polish resistance actually smuggled someone into a death camp and then back out to the US in order to give an eye witness account to Felix Frankfurter and he did the same thing - "Sorry I can't believe you." And then he did nothing.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Olorin
    @JohnnyWalker123

    According to Patrick Buchanan, the Germans snapped after Versailles.

    And look what it got them.

    What makes you think any other Euro pushback would fare differently?

    Candidate Trump said the mildest things about supporting heartland Americans, and that made him a Nazi Hitler HitlerNazi.

    Which I figured was just the Big Globo Powers That Be reminding everyone of what they are willing to do when white men rebel against their status as draft animals for the planet in the regime of currency-mediated priest-propagandized accountant-measured Sumerian rentier agriculturism/urbanization. (Reminder: Abraham was Sumerian.)

    Oh, and also civil warriors fighting one another for the banksters' gain.

    The unspoken bit is that "nationalism" is a proxy for "genomism." The left and the right alike have been stuffing the DNA genie back in the bottle since before we even know what DNA was, but since 24 November 1859 recognized what it could produce over expanses of time at the population level. (I figure it was the subtitle that got them with its bit about Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life. That rarely works out the way the merchants and bankers want it to here in the Ice Latitudes, or on salt water.)

    , @SMK
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Within a decade or two, ethnonationalists in Germany, France, Sweden, England, Holland, and other nations in Western as opposed to Eastern Europe -myriads of people, including politicians, who oppose Muslim and black immigration and criticize and tell the truth about black crime and Muslim crime and terrorism and the like- will be in prison for violating "hate-speech" laws.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @SMK
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In France, even if all Muslim immigration were ended tomorrow -which will never happen, of course, since anti-white leftists control almost everything- the nation would be destined to become a Muslim-majority hell-hole given the disparate birthrates between French (alarmingly below the replacement level of 2.1 children per woman) and Muslim women.

    , @SMK
    @JohnnyWalker123

    At least the rulers of Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, and The Czech Republic are not guilt-obsessed/tormented, masochistic, and suicidal. They had nothing to do with slavery and colonialism and were the victims of both the Nazis and Communists, Germany and Russia, and of Muslim invaders centuries ago.

  11. The GOP is DEAD, but the D-Party is unraveling. The last “chair” election shows its no longer viable. Identity politics has killed them. By attacking Whites, Whites now have NO CHOICE BUT TO COME TOGETHER, and the other identities never really got along, but now their numbers have grown to the point they are beginning to fight each other. That La Raza guy may have gotten over the black nationalist, but that’s a portent of DOOM . Telling blacks they have to take second place behind “hispanic” will not go over well. Those angry “minorities” are now fighting each other. That Crazy Quilt is quickly and irrevocably UNRAVELING.

    • Replies: @keuril
    @Dr. Doom

    I believe you severely underestimate the number of permanently bluepilled whites.

    Replies: @Altai

  12. @Anonym
    While white identity and pride are at a bit of a nadir, odds favor a resurgence. The old hushed-up bit of knowledge that anti-Semitism can be a glue that binds Jews together - well anti-Whitism also works this way on whites.

    A lot of white people are pretty calm and even-tempered until they snap. When we snap in an organized fashion, we get shit done.

    In any case, white people have done a lot of cool stuff throughout history. How can anyone not look upon the awesome things we have accomplished, the progress in every facet of human accomplishment and not feel a welling of pride within oneself? I certainly do, and there are loads of parents of white children who feel the same way, even if they aren't vocal about it yet.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @snorlax, @Thea, @MBlanc46, @Jeff77450

    Unfortunately I don’t see a whole lot of banding together: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    • Replies: @Federalist
    @snorlax

    It could be that Trump's approval rating really is low. But I don't think we have any way of knowing. These pollsters and the media told us that Trump wasn't serious about running; couldn't possibly win the nomination; the GOP would steal the nomination at the convention; and Trump had no chance of beating Hillary.

  13. The English language isn’t very precise about relationships beyond the nuclear family because Anglo-Saxons were less interested in extended family than anybody else on earth.

    I don’t think so. Scandinavians have the lowest rate of adults living with their parents, and are likely the most nuclear-family-oriented people overall. Germans and the Dutch are probably about as nuclear-family-oriented as the English.

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    @Glossy

    That's basically what he said, moran.

    Replies: @Glossy

  14. Because their population was limited while their continent was not, Franklin observed in 1754, Americans could afford to live large.
    Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden. Perhaps not surprisingly, each year tens of thousands of Americans brought up on Franklin’s more expansive American dream are giving up and dropping dead.

    Are Appalachians giving up because of mass immigration and high land prices? Is McDowell County plagued by immigration and unaffordable housing?

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors.

    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role “pill mill” doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    – The 1+ million soldier injuries in the “War on Terror,” which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    The Anglosphere and Europe haven’t seen the same fall in life expectancy, despite also being hit hard by immigration and falling prospects for blue collar workers. The declining standard of living matters, but so do all of the above factors (most of which aren’t present in those other countries).

    I actually find it remarkable that so many posters here don’t even discuss any of the above factors. I don’t know why. I suppose it’s because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for “Big Government Socialism.”

    When the New York Times doesn’t mention the role immigration plays in falling wages, that’s strange. When conservatives here don’t mention the role that Big Pharma played in the White Death, that’s also very strange. A lot of people are willfully ignorant and refuse to criticize what they hold sacred. For liberals, they hold minorities and immigrants as sacred, which makes non-whites exempt from critique. For conservatives, they hold big business and “small govt” as sacred, so they don’t want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

    It’s also interesting to see who gets to be the default bogeyman. For the left, the default bogeyman is straight white men. Anytime something goes wrong in the lives of minorities or women, straight white men are somehow to blame.

    When the white death was discussed, a lot of the conservatives here automatically blamed feminists, cultural relativists, anti-white liberals, and gays. Someone here even blamed abusive black boyfriends. Apparently, West Virginia has lots of abusive black boyfriends. Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren’t seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc. None of these posters even noticed that culturally conservative Utah has experienced the White Death.

    When people have a default bogeyman, sometimes they don’t let facts or reasoning get in the way.

    It wouldn’t kill the NY Times to once in a while mention that immigration is lowering the standard of living in America. It wouldn’t kill some of you to mention that term “Big Pharma.”

    By the way, a few years ago, Ron Unz wrote an excellent article on Vioxx. Apparently, Vioxx killed several hundred thousand Americans and the govt and media didn’t notice. Interestingly, when Ron wrote that article, some of the posters here went out of their way to defend……. the drugmaker.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Ron estimated 500,000 premature deaths due to Vioxx. For some reason, people here don’t talk much about that article. The Vioxx death total is roughly 150x the 9/11 death total, but doesn’t get mentioned much here or anywhere else.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @JohnnyWalker123


    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors:
    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role “pill mill” doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the “War on Terror,” which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.
     
    Those are all fair game here, and have been mentioned often, including the rise of the Mexican drug trade; the meth epidemic; corporate shilling for all things bad, be it various "equality" measures, or the military-industrial love of war, etc.

    I don't "get the sense" that any of this is off the table.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    All of Big Pharma is not implicated in the White Death. There are only a couple of companies (Purdue, etc.) who deal with that stuff. Most narcotics now are off patent and are cheap generics.

    The Vioxx #s are highly exaggerated. Only 3,500 people received a settlement, not 500,000. If there were more people who could be connected to Vioxx they would have gotten on the law suit gravy train. Vioxx didn't kill you like an overdose of Fentanyl. It lead to a slightly higher risk of having a heart attack sooner in old people who were going to have a heart attack soon anyway. It was just a lawyer's festival.

    Replies: @res, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @bomag
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren’t seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc.
     
    Other Anglo/Euro nations manifest the effects differently. Funding rape gangs seems to be their way of expressing the effects.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Thea
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes, truly Cognitive dissonance affects everyone, right or left.

    Yes Big pharma is part of the problem.

    Some of us commenters call out corporations regularly.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @utu
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You made excellent points. However do not expect the so-called conservatives to follow your lead:


    For conservatives, they hold big business and “small govt” as sacred, so they don’t want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.
     
    , @Federalist
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "I suppose it’s because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for 'Big Government Socialism.'"

    I think that there is quite a bit of criticism of the free-market economic system here. This isn't National Review. A really free market means open borders and moving jobs overseas (basically, a free labor market). Also, it means multinational corporations without loyalty to any nation and the free flow of capital across national boundaries. Free trade is NAFTA and TPP. Free trade is rootless capitalism that treats each person as a consumer only and is opposed to tradition, nationalism, affinity for the land of one's birth, etc.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    People who take drugs are to blame for their problems. The negative effects are universally known. If they choose to ignore this then they take responsibility for the results. You could fill my swimming pool with opiates and I would not be tempted to try even one pill.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I've never seen opioids advertised directly to the public nor heard of opioids being promoted to doctors by sales reps. Their mechanism of action, benefits, and proper uses are relatively well-understood by the medical community, so there's not so much room for manipulation. Opioids are controlled substances requiring a prescription to get legally. I don't see much of a role for Big Pharma in the White Death epidemic, despite their being despicable for others things.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Das
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Spot on.

    The current political milieu is absurd and anti-white, but it's not actually the thing that is causing huge numbers of white people to die of opiate overdoses.

    Before the late 1990s, opiate pain killers were tightly restricted because everyone understood their abuse potential. Under intense pharma lobbying and flawed research studies, the US decided to make them broadly available. No other country made them so available, so they avoided the White Death.

    You can blame Mexicans for bringing in heroin, but you can't sell something that there's no demand for. There was no demand for heroin in all-white rural areas before everyone there got hooked on opiate pain killers.

    , @Jake
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I know that academics in closed sessions by the 1990s were discussing, usually with drinks, that if only white middle America could be flooded with drugs, then we'd see that whites are even worse than blacks in bad conditions that place extra stress on people.

    Do I think that a number of Liberals, Gentiles as well as Jews, would be OK with such an 'experiment'? Absolutely.

  15. • Replies: @keuril
    @Jack D

    Sometimes they publish some of the stats of these kids. The SAT scores I've seen are in the range of 2100-2250. Not bad but usually not good enough to get into HYPS if you're white or Asian and not an athletic recruit or a legacy.
    I wish they would run stories about Asians with perfect or near-perfect SATs who got rejected by all Ivies. There are probably several thousand each year.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Federalist
    @Jack D

    "Many credit their success to their parents' experiences growing up outside the US.
    'When I was growing up, my mom told me her own story of growing up in Somalia. My grandfather was a very revolutionary man in that he not only wanted to educate his sons, but also his daughters,' Khalif told the Star Tribune.
    "

    O.K. These kids may have done very well in school partly because they were inspired by their parents' stories of coming from Third World hellholes. But there are probably thousands of other equally smart kids out there who didn't get into any Ivy League schools. But those kids don't have black skin and so can't pass for regular American blacks. If you think that African immigrants don't count as "close enough" look at Obama. His mother was white and his father was African. Our first African-American president is not descended from slaves or anyone who lived under Jim Crow, or who was a potential victim of lynching or the Klan. After the Freedom Riders, Selma, all the marches, and sit-ins, etc., they had to bring in a ringer from the outside to be the first black president.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  16. when Benjamin Franklin, perhaps the single most broadly successful man in history

    Steve, you make fun of others’ nationalist delusions, yet your own are just as funny.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Glossy


    when Benjamin Franklin, perhaps the single most broadly successful man in history

    Steve, you make fun of others’ nationalist delusions, yet your own are just as funny.
     
    Steve is being quite precise in his choice of words. He's saying that Franklin was " perhaps the single most broadly successful man in history," not the most important or the greatest (contenders for that title would be men like Newton, Aristotle, Muhammad, etc).

    And Franklin certainly was extremely successful in a host of fields: printing (earning enough to retire as a gentleman of leisure in his 40s), physics (in the field of electricity he made a host of important innovations and discoveries: conservation of charge, coining key terms-positive, negative, battery-proving that lightning was an electrical phenomenon), technology (the lightning rod, bifocals), demography (the classic "Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, etc," which influenced Malthus and Darwin), diplomacy (as Steve points out, he was America's most successful diplomat), literature (the Autobiography, one of the most important exemplars of the genre), oceanography (he prepared the first map of the Gulf Stream), etc.
  17. Interesting –

    But a handful of students have gotten eight Ivy acceptances for the class of 2019. These students have one specific thing in common — they’re all the children of immigrants.

    Accepted by design or by chance?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hubbub

    They're not just immigrants but black immigrants. That's really why they are getting in, because the AA created for American slave descendants gets extended to clever Igbos (whose ancestors are probably are the ones who sold the slaves to the Arab traders who sold them to the American slave traders).

    The chances of an Asian immigrant getting into all Ivies are astronomically small. They would need to have 3600 SATs because Asians with 2400 SATs get their Ivy applications tossed in the trash every day.

    Replies: @Truth, @Triumph104

    , @Triumph104
    @Hubbub

    Children of immigrants are about the only ones who bother to apply to all eight Ivy League colleges. Some non-immigrant kids do it, but it is rare.

  18. @JohnnyWalker123

    Because their population was limited while their continent was not, Franklin observed in 1754, Americans could afford to live large.
    Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden. Perhaps not surprisingly, each year tens of thousands of Americans brought up on Franklin’s more expansive American dream are giving up and dropping dead.
     
    Are Appalachians giving up because of mass immigration and high land prices? Is McDowell County plagued by immigration and unaffordable housing?

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors.

    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role "pill mill" doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the "War on Terror," which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    The Anglosphere and Europe haven't seen the same fall in life expectancy, despite also being hit hard by immigration and falling prospects for blue collar workers. The declining standard of living matters, but so do all of the above factors (most of which aren't present in those other countries).

    I actually find it remarkable that so many posters here don't even discuss any of the above factors. I don't know why. I suppose it's because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for "Big Government Socialism."

    When the New York Times doesn't mention the role immigration plays in falling wages, that's strange. When conservatives here don't mention the role that Big Pharma played in the White Death, that's also very strange. A lot of people are willfully ignorant and refuse to criticize what they hold sacred. For liberals, they hold minorities and immigrants as sacred, which makes non-whites exempt from critique. For conservatives, they hold big business and "small govt" as sacred, so they don't want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

    It's also interesting to see who gets to be the default bogeyman. For the left, the default bogeyman is straight white men. Anytime something goes wrong in the lives of minorities or women, straight white men are somehow to blame.

    When the white death was discussed, a lot of the conservatives here automatically blamed feminists, cultural relativists, anti-white liberals, and gays. Someone here even blamed abusive black boyfriends. Apparently, West Virginia has lots of abusive black boyfriends. Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren't seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc. None of these posters even noticed that culturally conservative Utah has experienced the White Death.

    When people have a default bogeyman, sometimes they don't let facts or reasoning get in the way.

    It wouldn't kill the NY Times to once in a while mention that immigration is lowering the standard of living in America. It wouldn't kill some of you to mention that term "Big Pharma."

    By the way, a few years ago, Ron Unz wrote an excellent article on Vioxx. Apparently, Vioxx killed several hundred thousand Americans and the govt and media didn't notice. Interestingly, when Ron wrote that article, some of the posters here went out of their way to defend....... the drugmaker.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Ron estimated 500,000 premature deaths due to Vioxx. For some reason, people here don't talk much about that article. The Vioxx death total is roughly 150x the 9/11 death total, but doesn't get mentioned much here or anywhere else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jack D, @bomag, @Thea, @utu, @Federalist, @anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Das, @Jake

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors:
    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role “pill mill” doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    – The 1+ million soldier injuries in the “War on Terror,” which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    Those are all fair game here, and have been mentioned often, including the rise of the Mexican drug trade; the meth epidemic; corporate shilling for all things bad, be it various “equality” measures, or the military-industrial love of war, etc.

    I don’t “get the sense” that any of this is off the table.

    • Agree: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @bomag

    I'm one of the few that even mentions that impact of the Iraq War or the role of the military-industrial complex. There are posters here who get angry if you bring up Iraq, and dismiss you as a "conspiracy theorist" if you mention the exist of the military-industrial complex.

    This stuff is "off the table" in the sense that people don't talk about it. If you bring it up, a lot of people just ignore it. Some people here even actively defend Big Pharma, the lack of single-payer healthcare, and the drug war.

    The posters here are mostly interested in criticizing blacks, immigrants, liberals, gays, cultural relativists, and feminists. So if you bring up criticism of any other group, especially a group that's on the right (such as big business), people don't know how to process that.

    Donut/PrissFactor/Anon has written literally tens of thousands of words on the white death. He spends a lot of time going after Jews, trashy pop culture, and blacks. Do you know one term that doesn't appear in this posts? "Big Pharma." Nothing to say on that.

    I remember a few years back, some establishment type wrote a big article on California's decline. Not once did he mention immigration. The posters here found that hilarious and sad.

    I find it equally hilarious and sad that so many people here kiss the rear end of big business so much. Apparently, they can murder hundreds of thousands of whites and the response on this white nationalist site is....... silence.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Jake, @Stan Adams

  19. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonym

    I have a feeling that White Europeans will snap before we do. When they do finally snap, it'll also be quite hard. Of all the White Euro ethnic groups, the Germans may snap the hardest.

    This Syrian invasion is disastrous in the short term, but it's showing Europeans just how much immigration is destroying the fabric of their societies. The bad behavior of these refugees will act as a catalyst for the various right-wing nationalist parties.

    Here's a prediction. Within a decade, most of Europe will be under ethnonationalist governments.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jack D, @Olorin, @SMK, @SMK, @SMK

    That would depend on who is in power in the US, a leftist administration would use the US bases and the Turkish Army (largest in NATO) to coerce electoral fraud or launch an open coup a la 1956 Hungary. (quite the irony)

    Continued ethnoreligious tensions, and possible escalation, are dependent on the state of the economy. Blair won three elections under a boom, and Brown could have won a fourth in 2008 but chickened out.

    The Middle East also has a chance of stabilization in the 2020s, as the surplus of angry young men has been cut down. Gulf Arab fertility is also heading towards bust.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Maj. Kong

    By then, the current US establishment won't have power anymore. I predict that within the next decade, our current establishment will be mostly out of power. There will still be leftists, but they'll be more of the Sanders/Nader variety. The globalists won't run the left or right anymore.

    The economy increasingly doesn't need human workers. Humans are becoming superfluous, as robots begin to take over. In the long term, that's not a recipe for good times. The future will see ethno-religious tension and economic tension. So extremist parties (both far-left and far-right) will flourish. However, given how abrasive and conquest obsessed Muslims can be, they'll likely alienate much of the population. Which is why I'd bet on populist ethnonationalists, like Le Pen and Wilders.

  20. I don’t think Ta-Genius Coates’ formulation “People who think they are white” is very useful, but “People who think they are black” would be.

  21. @JohnnyWalker123

    Because their population was limited while their continent was not, Franklin observed in 1754, Americans could afford to live large.
    Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden. Perhaps not surprisingly, each year tens of thousands of Americans brought up on Franklin’s more expansive American dream are giving up and dropping dead.
     
    Are Appalachians giving up because of mass immigration and high land prices? Is McDowell County plagued by immigration and unaffordable housing?

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors.

    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role "pill mill" doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the "War on Terror," which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    The Anglosphere and Europe haven't seen the same fall in life expectancy, despite also being hit hard by immigration and falling prospects for blue collar workers. The declining standard of living matters, but so do all of the above factors (most of which aren't present in those other countries).

    I actually find it remarkable that so many posters here don't even discuss any of the above factors. I don't know why. I suppose it's because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for "Big Government Socialism."

    When the New York Times doesn't mention the role immigration plays in falling wages, that's strange. When conservatives here don't mention the role that Big Pharma played in the White Death, that's also very strange. A lot of people are willfully ignorant and refuse to criticize what they hold sacred. For liberals, they hold minorities and immigrants as sacred, which makes non-whites exempt from critique. For conservatives, they hold big business and "small govt" as sacred, so they don't want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

    It's also interesting to see who gets to be the default bogeyman. For the left, the default bogeyman is straight white men. Anytime something goes wrong in the lives of minorities or women, straight white men are somehow to blame.

    When the white death was discussed, a lot of the conservatives here automatically blamed feminists, cultural relativists, anti-white liberals, and gays. Someone here even blamed abusive black boyfriends. Apparently, West Virginia has lots of abusive black boyfriends. Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren't seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc. None of these posters even noticed that culturally conservative Utah has experienced the White Death.

    When people have a default bogeyman, sometimes they don't let facts or reasoning get in the way.

    It wouldn't kill the NY Times to once in a while mention that immigration is lowering the standard of living in America. It wouldn't kill some of you to mention that term "Big Pharma."

    By the way, a few years ago, Ron Unz wrote an excellent article on Vioxx. Apparently, Vioxx killed several hundred thousand Americans and the govt and media didn't notice. Interestingly, when Ron wrote that article, some of the posters here went out of their way to defend....... the drugmaker.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Ron estimated 500,000 premature deaths due to Vioxx. For some reason, people here don't talk much about that article. The Vioxx death total is roughly 150x the 9/11 death total, but doesn't get mentioned much here or anywhere else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jack D, @bomag, @Thea, @utu, @Federalist, @anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Das, @Jake

    All of Big Pharma is not implicated in the White Death. There are only a couple of companies (Purdue, etc.) who deal with that stuff. Most narcotics now are off patent and are cheap generics.

    The Vioxx #s are highly exaggerated. Only 3,500 people received a settlement, not 500,000. If there were more people who could be connected to Vioxx they would have gotten on the law suit gravy train. Vioxx didn’t kill you like an overdose of Fentanyl. It lead to a slightly higher risk of having a heart attack sooner in old people who were going to have a heart attack soon anyway. It was just a lawyer’s festival.

    • Replies: @res
    @Jack D


    Only 3,500 people received a settlement, not 500,000. If there were more people who could be connected to Vioxx they would have gotten on the law suit gravy train.
     
    Jack, you are smart enough to understand the difference between being able to establish a legally defensible connection between Vioxx and a death and being able to infer the size of a connection from statistical trends. This bit of trivia from the NPR timeline linked below is worth noting: "The settlement lets Merck avoid the personal-injury lawsuits of some 47,000 plaintiffs" I'm not sure how those lawsuits relate to the ~3,500 numbers I see, e.g. http://www.rhllaw.com/Blog/2010/July/Families-of-Nearly-3-500-Deceased-Vioxx-Users-Re.aspx

    I see three different forms of estimates for Vioxx deaths:
    1. ~3,500 people received a settlement (you, link above, is this a complete number?).
    2. Scientists gave various estimates of excess Vioxx heart attack and sudden deaths from 28,000 to 160,000 based on the measured increased risk of heart attack and sudden death https://www.finance.senate.gov/download/david-graham http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp048286
    (Graham estimated of these 30-40% probably died)
    3. Ron Unz estimated from the overall behavior of mortality rates over time that Vioxx may have been responsible for up to 500,000 deaths.

    I think it likely that the truth lies between 2 and 3. I find the scientific estimates credible and think they require a better argument than the handwave you gave to rebut them. It's difficult to rigorously evaluate Ron's estimate, but I think it serves as a good guess at an upper bound. How many excess deaths do YOU estimate occurred because of Vioxx? Surely that would be more than the 3,500 you glibly quoted? It really does not inspire confidence to hear an accusation of overestimate accompanied by what is likely an order of magnitude or more underestimate (trying to establish a mental anchor?).

    It will be interesting to see if we end up having a rash of poor outcomes late in life after decades of people having been on prescription drugs.

    P.S. Re: "It lead to a slightly higher risk of having a heart attack"
    Do you consider a 3.7x increase in risk of heart attack or sudden cardiac death (compared to Celebrex) "slight" given that heart disease is the leading cause of mortality in the US?

    P.P.S. Detailed Vioxx timelines for anyone interested: https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/05/briefing/2005-4090B1_04_E-FDA-TAB-C.htm http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5470430

    Replies: @Jack D, @Yak-15

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Jack D

    America consumes 80% of the world's opioids. Something like 20% of American women are on an anti-depressant. Those are horrifying statistics.

    As for Vioxx, read this.


    A cursory examination of the most recent 15 years worth of national mortality data provided on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website offers some intriguing clues to this mystery. We find the largest rise in American mortality rates occurred in 1999, the year Vioxx was introduced, while the largest drop occurred in 2004, the year it was withdrawn. Vioxx was almost entirely marketed to the elderly, and these substantial changes in national death-rate were completely concentrated within the 65-plus population. The FDA studies had proven that use of Vioxx led to deaths from cardiovascular diseases such as heart attacks and strokes, and these were exactly the factors driving the changes in national mortality rates.
    The impact of these shifts was not small. After a decade of remaining roughly constant, the overall American death rate began a substantial decline in 2004, soon falling by approximately 5 percent, despite the continued aging of the population. This drop corresponds to roughly 100,000 fewer deaths per year. The age-adjusted decline in death rates was considerably greater.
     
    Ron Unz noted that there was a huge increase in mortality rates in 1999 (when Vioxx was introduced) and a huge fall in 2004 (when Vioxx was withdrawn). The increase/decrease was in senior citizens. Unz makes a convincing case that this was due to Vioxx.

    There could've been some other factor, but what could that factor have been? No one has identified that.

    In all likelihood, Merck poisoned a bunch of people and got off easy.

    Replies: @Thea

  22. Willie Sutton used to rob banks because that’s where the money is. Blacks used to attempt to “pass”, that is, make themselves out to be White because it was perceived THAT is where the money is/was. Now? Privilege is now ALL in “minority” (the new, actual majority) goodies. And so, “one drop” policies followed and that is where the money is. A drop of color is in, Whites out. I’ll be anticipating, any day now, some minority privilege for Whites, especially White men, some affirmative action job creation, such as has been extended to Blacks and Hispanics and women lo these many decades. I want some reparation. Some payback.

  23. keuril says:
    @Jack D
    Google image search admitted to all 8 Ivy League schools and see what you get.

    There was another one this week:

    https://lifestyle.thecable.ng/ifeoma-white-thorpe-all-ivy-league/

    http://www.businessinsider.com/students-accepted-to-all-8-ivy-league-schools-have-one-specific-thing-in-common-2015-4

    Replies: @keuril, @Federalist

    Sometimes they publish some of the stats of these kids. The SAT scores I’ve seen are in the range of 2100-2250. Not bad but usually not good enough to get into HYPS if you’re white or Asian and not an athletic recruit or a legacy.
    I wish they would run stories about Asians with perfect or near-perfect SATs who got rejected by all Ivies. There are probably several thousand each year.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @keuril

    In the land of the blind, one eyed men are kings. In the affirmative action land of 85 IQ blacks, 120 IQ Igbos are kings (kangs?).

    Generally speaking, blacks in Ivy League Land get spotted around 300 points on the 2400 point SAT, so a black with a 2100 has the same chance as getting in as a white with 2400. Asians get a negative handicap (not sure how many points - it's a dirty secret and gets muddied because so many groups like Filipinos get thrown into the Asian bucket in order to muddy the waters further. If you mean Chinese or Korean, then it's a significant handicap).

    Replies: @Truth, @Gaslighting Hotep

  24. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonym

    I have a feeling that White Europeans will snap before we do. When they do finally snap, it'll also be quite hard. Of all the White Euro ethnic groups, the Germans may snap the hardest.

    This Syrian invasion is disastrous in the short term, but it's showing Europeans just how much immigration is destroying the fabric of their societies. The bad behavior of these refugees will act as a catalyst for the various right-wing nationalist parties.

    Here's a prediction. Within a decade, most of Europe will be under ethnonationalist governments.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jack D, @Olorin, @SMK, @SMK, @SMK

    If you look at a place like Sweden, or even Germany, there’s very little sign of backlash. It’s just all nice white ladies all they way down. Maybe there will be a backlash someday but it will be too late. Hillary and all her experts thought (and not without good reason) that it was too late for an American white backlash and it ALMOST was – it was a close run thing. And it’s not really over – they still think Trump is a passing fad and soon things will go back to “normal”.

    There’s always the possibility that by the time you awake to the danger it’s too late to do anything about it. People engage in protective denial a lot. Western societies are full of denial now. Part of the reason why Jews did not mount an effective resistance to the Holocaust is that they literally refused to believe what was happening. There were a few people who managed to escape from the extermination camps and when they went back to Warsaw or Lodz or whatever and told the community where those trains were going they were simply disbelieved. Part of it was that it was unprecedented but part of it was just protective denial because it was too big a problem to deal with in any normal way. The Polish resistance actually smuggled someone into a death camp and then back out to the US in order to give an eye witness account to Felix Frankfurter and he did the same thing – “Sorry I can’t believe you.” And then he did nothing.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    White identity has taken a massive beating, and it may be dead, but I'll give it my best shot. Even little things count.

    The other day when a neighbor was talking about the NCAA tournament, I said that I don't normally care because it's a bunch of kids who don't belong anywhere near a college campus, but that this year, I was routing for one team. Which one? Mt. St. Mary's of course. "Why?" he asked. I gave him a quizzical look said, "Because they're white. Why wouldn't I cheer for my own. Same as Asians rout for Jeremy Lin."

    He gave me a somewhat shocked, slightly disgusted look and switched to another subject. Pretty sure that I didn't win over a convert but I did something just as important. I let people know that there are whites who are normal and are willing to show pride in their own people. Most whites are too far gone. My hope is that 10 or 20 percent of whites are willing to bit by bit band together.

    It'll take time, and we'll probably fail (heck, look at California and Texas, you don't see white identity blooming there despite the demographic changes), but I can't imagine a better lost cause to fight for.

    Steve believes in Citizenism, similar to Trump's nationalism. I just don't see how that works. At its core Citizenism is still a Proposition Nation, and I just don't think a Proposition Nation can stand up in the face of tribal thinkers such as the Jews and Asians.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Truth, @Jake

    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    There's another explanation for why people, ahem, "refused" to believe it was happening...

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Jack D


    nice white ladies
     
    You're channeling Whiskey now.

    Maybe there will be a backlash someday but it will be too late.
     
    Most Euro countries are still about 90% white. So, no, even in 10 years it won't be too late. America is barely 63% white now, so the situation is different here.

    There’s always the possibility that by the time you awake to the danger it’s too late to do anything about it. People engage in protective denial a lot. Western societies are full of denial now.
     
    Depends. When you turn up the heat enough, even the frog jumps out of the boiling water. In that way, everything we see now (rape gangs, sociopathic refugees, terrorism) is turning up the heat too much. Even liberals just can't ignore this. You already see what's happening in France and the Netherlands. In 5 years, it'll be that much more intense. Just a matter of time.

    Part of the reason why Jews did not mount an effective resistance to the Holocaust is that they literally refused to believe what was happening.
     
    The problem was that the Jews were only a small percentage of the population of various Euro countries. Their realization, after the end of WWII, was that they should form the majority of the population in a nation so they would never again be at the mercy of any other ethnic group. From that, came Israel.

    When you are in the majority, you can still win. Since Muslims are still only 5-10% of the population of Western Europe, there's still time. Maybe in 100 years, there won't be time. Fortunately, I don't think are present political order will exist even in 10 years.
  25. Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden.

    Needless to say, affirmative action is one of the many ways that big businesses have found to use the federal government to give them a competitive edge over smaller competitors. Unlike a business with, say, 200 employees, a multinational can easily afford to hire, retain, and promote to managerial positions (in title, at least) people whose sole contribution is acting as equal- “opportunity” signals.

  26. @Alec Leamas
    @Thomas

    I think this presents the horns of a dilemma for the Democrats - despite all of their caterwauling about gerrymandering, the reason that Congressional seats are gerrymandered to the point they are is because Democrats need to create majority-minority districts so that they get racial minority Representatives in the Democratic Congressional caucus. But it's rare that minorities will turnout in high numbers to vote for white Democrat Representative candidates. So if they unwind the majority-minority districts to spread Democrat votes more widely, they'll depress minority voter turnout and lose their branding as the black party. (Note that the supposedly "gerrymandered," uncompetative districts are the ones that go 53% for the Republican, rather than the black districts that go 94% for the black Democrat even when under indictment for corruption).

    Replies: @Jack D

    As American becomes less white (and the wrong kind of white) gerrymandering becomes less effective. After the 2010 census redistricting, the township where I live (lots of college educated upscale whites who nowadays lean Democrat) got detached from the Republican district to our west (so that it would remain a safe Republican seat) and attached to a black district in Philadelphia. Last year they sent our Congressman (“Chaka Fattah”) to jail for corruption but his replacement was another black Democrat from the city – my congressman will be a black Democrat forever now. You can only throw so many whites overboard before there are not enough left to support a “safe” district.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    @Jack D




    " As American becomes less white (and the wrong kind of white) ..."

     

    Would you be so kind to elaborate on the above proposed taxonomy of Wrong Whites?


    Is it really only about nature/nurture and negative selection?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ0ZUy7P3E

    Or, we also have a moxie to address issue of ...hmmm ...Tribal Nuances among Whites?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s



    Either way, I'm simply white-dying of curiosity to see Tdzak's Top Five of W.W.
  27. This excellent article leads us to the deliberately denied identity of Whites, Americans, White-Gentiles, or, to put it all together as Steve does “non-Hispanic gentile white Americans.”

    Perhaps unsurprisingly, much intellectual effort is therefore devoted to disparaging “general whiteness” as having “nothing there to pass down.”

    This divide-and-denigrate strategy appears to have been highly successful. There are no respectable organizations looking out for the welfare of the 200 million or so Americans afflicted with “general whiteness.”

    Non-Hispanic gentile white Americans. That’s a mouthful. Sapir-Whorf would suggest that it is hard for a people to organize themselves into a self-beneficial working group when they have no word or efficient phrase for who they are.

    Steve gives us inspiration by naming one of the best examples of someone who was clearly identified as uniquely American: “Benjamin Franklin, perhaps the single most broadly successful man in history.”

    It is crucial that we find a way to identify ourselves clearly, that we realize that we are being shamed out of this right, and that we begin to organize together for our own posterity.

  28. OT: Whitehats are reporting a new sarin attack by the Syrians (I’m not sure with what sarin, John Kerry seemed to sign off on them having given up and destroyed all their stocks). As usual the only evidence is a shaky video from a known propaganda outfit that could easily be staged. Trump has either fallen for or is complicit in an attempt to derail the Syria conference tomorrow.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/04/various-issues.html

    They’ve posted it to Wikipedia’s front page on the news section now.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Altai

    Just more Zionist neocon disinformation. All those corpses are faking being dead. Bashar Assad is really an awesome guy and would NEVER order a gas attack.

    Replies: @Altai, @Anonymous Nephew, @Thea

  29. White elites are happy to promote black privilege because they don’t see many American blacks as being anything other than token competition for their children at getting the really good jobs.

    This is a perfect description of what is going on in Corporate America and what affirmative action hiring is all about. Upper class whites eliminating competition from the proletariat. They know that their beneficiaries will never actually challenge them.

    PS – Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work? Is anyone else doing this?

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    @Bleuteaux

    If you are using a company device for your website reading and commenting you are definitely suicidal. If you are using your own device, likely not, I would think.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Clark Westwood
    @Bleuteaux


    PS – Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work?
     
    I honestly don't know.

    Is anyone else doing this?
     
    I do it. No ill effects detected so far.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Bleuteaux


    Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work?
     
    You do know that your IT people can see everything you do on your computer, don't you?

    1) Your employer is paying you to work, not to read and comment on blogs.

    2) They might think this blog is an evil place where puppy-kickers hang out.

    3) They could fire you because of point #2 and use point #1 as a legally-defensible reason, if needed, to do so.

    It's up to your employer.
    , @Lugash
    @Bleuteaux

    Yes, you're suicidal for reading Unz or anything else alt-Right at work. If it's your own device you'd a) better not be using corporate wifi b) better not be using Android as it's almost certain that at least one app is sniffing your traffic c) better be using Tor, as Trump and Congress have seen fit to allow your browsing history(and all network traffic) to be sold.

    And to edit d) You run the risk of having someone shoulder surf what you're browsing.

    Replies: @Clark Westwood, @Truth

    , @Nico
    @Bleuteaux


    Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work? Is anyone else doing this?
     
    I do but only on my personal mobile phone and on the cellular network. I wouldn't take the risk on a company network.
    , @Thea
    @Bleuteaux

    I reccomend that you Don't do it on a work owned computer or phone. But I used to years ago and never got in trouble. So ignore my advice if you must.

  30. Black success depends solely on blacks wanting to be successful, not on whites’ desire for them to succeed. Year after year, actually almost month after month, we hear how blacks are failing to meet, not exceed, minimum standards for relative success, such as graduate from High School. I can use Buffalo, a majority minority public school district where only 50% graduate from HS. A large part of that failure is due to the fact that absenteeism is rampant. The average number of days absent in Buffalo HS is 37 days, which is 5 full weeks of school. If you can’t start your life by putting some effort in, you will more than likely fail at being successful. A few weeks ago the topic was the high number of black college graduates failing the NY City teacher’s exam. Actually, the problem of white involvement in black success, is that whites don’t demand enough of blacks. My opinion, and I don’t have an answer.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Buffalo Joe

    You don't have an answer because there is no answer. Blacks on average are less intelligent and have different behavioral traits than whites. They AREN'T white people. Stop asking them to be black-faced versions of us. It's impossible.

    Almost impossibly, whites combine racial arrogance (we expect all other races to act and achieve exactly as we do because we're the pinnacle of human evolution) and racial masochism (many of us get some bizarre pleasure from denigrating our people).

    We sit here day after day complaining about and being shocked about how blacks, Asians, Mestizos, etc. don't achieve and behave just like white people. No fucking kidding. We're different breeds of dogs. Why would you expect a Chihuahua to act and perform the same as a St. Bernard.

    Let blacks be blacks and Asians be Asians, etc. Why do so many white have this need to push our ways onto others and then worry when they don't play by our rules. Hell, we even get bitter when Asians overachieve. "Those Asians are studying too much. That's not how we envisioned the SAT to work. You weren't supposed to study for it." Wrong! We designed the system for whites and our biology/culture. Asians are just doing what they do. Stop asking them to be white.

    This is why ethnic nationalism works. Create your little corner of the world and create a system that works for YOUR people and leave others alone.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Truth

    , @Jack D
    @Buffalo Joe

    American black culture is plenty dysfunctional, but also keep in mind that 1/2 of blacks have IQ's below 85 (not unrelated to the 50% drop out rate in Buffalo), so they just don't have "the necessities" to complete a high school curriculum, at least not a college prep type.

    There is plenty of dishonesty to go around - we keep telling these kids that they can be doctors, lawyers, Presidents just like all the folks they see on TV commercials but the truth is that most of them are not cut out for this even if their parents were the fiercest Asian Tiger parents on earth (and usually they are anything but).

    IF we still had a functioning economy with jobs that a sub-85 IQ person could do and IF we a had a proper technical training system to educate these kids for those kind of jobs instead of putting non-college material on a college prep track, and if all low skilled jobs were not taken up by immigrants, then we might get somewhere, but we don't.

    Back in the day, blacks were known to have certain strengths beside just athleticism and musical ability. Certain talents are not that closely linked to IQ. For example, going back to colonial times, blacks were considered to be the best chefs (this was before we had Italians - keep in mind the only competition was English so it was not a high bar). Blacks were considered synonymous with good cooking, so if you wanted to promote your product as tasty, then despite the horrible evil racism of the time, you would use a black person as the image of your product so people would associate its qualities with black culinary ability - Uncle Ben, Aunt Jemima, etc. - if you bought these products then maybe a little bit of black culinary mojo would rub off on you, just like Michael Jordan sneakers might enable you to jump a little higher. But instead the restaurant kitchens of America are full of Mexicans today. That's just one example.

    Replies: @Thea

  31. @JohnnyWalker123

    Because their population was limited while their continent was not, Franklin observed in 1754, Americans could afford to live large.
    Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden. Perhaps not surprisingly, each year tens of thousands of Americans brought up on Franklin’s more expansive American dream are giving up and dropping dead.
     
    Are Appalachians giving up because of mass immigration and high land prices? Is McDowell County plagued by immigration and unaffordable housing?

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors.

    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role "pill mill" doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the "War on Terror," which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    The Anglosphere and Europe haven't seen the same fall in life expectancy, despite also being hit hard by immigration and falling prospects for blue collar workers. The declining standard of living matters, but so do all of the above factors (most of which aren't present in those other countries).

    I actually find it remarkable that so many posters here don't even discuss any of the above factors. I don't know why. I suppose it's because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for "Big Government Socialism."

    When the New York Times doesn't mention the role immigration plays in falling wages, that's strange. When conservatives here don't mention the role that Big Pharma played in the White Death, that's also very strange. A lot of people are willfully ignorant and refuse to criticize what they hold sacred. For liberals, they hold minorities and immigrants as sacred, which makes non-whites exempt from critique. For conservatives, they hold big business and "small govt" as sacred, so they don't want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

    It's also interesting to see who gets to be the default bogeyman. For the left, the default bogeyman is straight white men. Anytime something goes wrong in the lives of minorities or women, straight white men are somehow to blame.

    When the white death was discussed, a lot of the conservatives here automatically blamed feminists, cultural relativists, anti-white liberals, and gays. Someone here even blamed abusive black boyfriends. Apparently, West Virginia has lots of abusive black boyfriends. Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren't seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc. None of these posters even noticed that culturally conservative Utah has experienced the White Death.

    When people have a default bogeyman, sometimes they don't let facts or reasoning get in the way.

    It wouldn't kill the NY Times to once in a while mention that immigration is lowering the standard of living in America. It wouldn't kill some of you to mention that term "Big Pharma."

    By the way, a few years ago, Ron Unz wrote an excellent article on Vioxx. Apparently, Vioxx killed several hundred thousand Americans and the govt and media didn't notice. Interestingly, when Ron wrote that article, some of the posters here went out of their way to defend....... the drugmaker.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Ron estimated 500,000 premature deaths due to Vioxx. For some reason, people here don't talk much about that article. The Vioxx death total is roughly 150x the 9/11 death total, but doesn't get mentioned much here or anywhere else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jack D, @bomag, @Thea, @utu, @Federalist, @anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Das, @Jake

    Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren’t seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc.

    Other Anglo/Euro nations manifest the effects differently. Funding rape gangs seems to be their way of expressing the effects.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @bomag

    What does that have to do with Big Pharma or the white death? Big Pharma killed hundreds of thousands and you want to change the topic to Muslims.

    The rape gang thing is because they get lots of Muslim immigrants.

    Replies: @bomag

  32. “African-American culture is spectacularly successful at producing sports and entertainment celebrities, but depressingly dysfunctional at uplifting the black masses and making them competitive. Therefore, despite growing demand for African-Americans to fill set-aside jobs, ever fewer typical black Americans are up to the minimum demands of analytical jobs.”

    I think blacks view sports and entertainment as set-asides for blacks, and many white elites apparently think the same way. How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance? Black entertainers are forced on white America like Holocaust or Adam Sandler movies. Outside of superstar positions in sports, many black role-players could easily be replaced by whites, but that doesn’t fit the apparent script. More whites would likely develop into superstar athletes if there were more white role players.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @OilcanFloyd

    How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance?

    Yes, who could enjoy the insane squeaking or spastic movements of say, Michael Jackson or James Brown? No one.

    I have heard many stories of innocent white people, walking down the street and minding their own business when suddenly they were taken at gunpoint, dragged into a dark theatre and forced to watch Billy Madison from start to finish (including the coming attractions AND the credits). The same story is repeated over and over (sometimes it's Happy Gilmore or 50 First Dates, but otherwise the story is the same). This leads to lifelong trauma. In fact, many are in denial and would swear to you that they opened their wallets and voluntarily bought a ticket. But that is just because they have repressed the memory of their abductions.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Diversity Heretic, @Truth

    , @Coemgen
    @OilcanFloyd


    How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance?
     
    Gotta admit I'm not a fan of the singing and dancing but I really dig jazz:

    https://youtu.be/GWM805eG11g
    , @Truth
    @OilcanFloyd


    How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance?
     
    Why I'd say somewhere between 0 and 5.

    Replies: @Flip, @E. Rekshun

  33. OT–so far, Robin Alexander managed to escape Thilo Sarrazin’s public opprobrium:

    http://www.dw.com/en/new-book-reveals-behind-the-scenes-how-merkel-dealt-with-refugee-crisis/a-38268542?maca=en-tco-dw

    […] Robin Alexander, an editor for the “die Welt” newspaper, has presented a new book on the topic, called “Die Getriebenen. Merkel und die Flüchtlingspolitik,” roughly translated as “The Driven Ones: Merkel and Refugee Policy, a Report from the Insides of Power.”

    The book has rocketed to number one on the bestseller lists in Germany. It has struck a nerve in political discussions and reflects the mood of parts of the country. The right is reading it as way to reckon with Merkel’s refugee policy. The liberal center is reading with amazement and probably also political dismay.

    A decision made out of fear?

    Alexander has meticuously researched the refugee crisis and put together what he found out from the inner corridors of power. A brief summary: at the beginning there was a decision to open the borders as thousands of refugees in Hungary wanted to go to Germany, although there was already an order to close the borders. Merkel and her ministers did not dare to go with the original orders, as they feared the images of rejected refugees could harm them politically. Merkel also didn’t dare to say that that this was an exceptional decision, because the Germans’ readiness to warmly receive the refugees had really surprised her. Instead, she swam on the wave of the “welcome culture.” She did not point out that this was an emergency decision and as a result, more and more came. Uncontrolled. Uncoordinated. Unregistered. The refugee policy got out of hand, even though authorities in the local areas had for months tried to do something extraordinary.

  34. @Buffalo Joe
    Black success depends solely on blacks wanting to be successful, not on whites' desire for them to succeed. Year after year, actually almost month after month, we hear how blacks are failing to meet, not exceed, minimum standards for relative success, such as graduate from High School. I can use Buffalo, a majority minority public school district where only 50% graduate from HS. A large part of that failure is due to the fact that absenteeism is rampant. The average number of days absent in Buffalo HS is 37 days, which is 5 full weeks of school. If you can't start your life by putting some effort in, you will more than likely fail at being successful. A few weeks ago the topic was the high number of black college graduates failing the NY City teacher's exam. Actually, the problem of white involvement in black success, is that whites don't demand enough of blacks. My opinion, and I don't have an answer.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Jack D

    You don’t have an answer because there is no answer. Blacks on average are less intelligent and have different behavioral traits than whites. They AREN’T white people. Stop asking them to be black-faced versions of us. It’s impossible.

    Almost impossibly, whites combine racial arrogance (we expect all other races to act and achieve exactly as we do because we’re the pinnacle of human evolution) and racial masochism (many of us get some bizarre pleasure from denigrating our people).

    We sit here day after day complaining about and being shocked about how blacks, Asians, Mestizos, etc. don’t achieve and behave just like white people. No fucking kidding. We’re different breeds of dogs. Why would you expect a Chihuahua to act and perform the same as a St. Bernard.

    Let blacks be blacks and Asians be Asians, etc. Why do so many white have this need to push our ways onto others and then worry when they don’t play by our rules. Hell, we even get bitter when Asians overachieve. “Those Asians are studying too much. That’s not how we envisioned the SAT to work. You weren’t supposed to study for it.” Wrong! We designed the system for whites and our biology/culture. Asians are just doing what they do. Stop asking them to be white.

    This is why ethnic nationalism works. Create your little corner of the world and create a system that works for YOUR people and leave others alone.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citizen, Thank you for your reply. I know that I don't have an answer, and no one will ever teach a collection of my thoughts as a college course, but your answer comes close.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Buffalo Joe

    , @Truth
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Hey that's a pretty good reply ole' buddy.

  35. I see this as one of Steve Sailer’s handful of very most important articles, and that is saying a great deal.

    The Walter White reference is most insightful. He is the best film presentation of the middle American white guy who realizes at some point that the ‘system’ of Liberal America hasn’t just been pissing on his leg while assuring him it was raining; the Liberal system has been forcing him to wallow through feces: for which the system taxes him while reminding him he has it easy because of white privilege. White is much smarter and harder working than virtually everyone, and he is stuck at a poor paying job for which he is grossly over-qualified after getting cheated by a pair of Jews who then became at least multi-millionaires.

    Being the good sport even when getting cheated, whether by Jews or blacks or Asians or Moslems or gays or WASP Elites, is the normal pattern for ‘white’ guys. We suck it up and avoid going rogue on the lying, cheating trash. A series of events trigger White to ‘get even.’

    The show ended with White acknowledging that he loved doing what he had done. I think he loved it for two reasons that for him became necessarily entwined: his intellect was properly challenged AND rewarded. For the first time since grad schools days before the two Jews cheated him and then got filthy rich, Walter White was allowed to prove his intellectual superiority and work ethic. He was not held down by white guilt over Jews or blacks, nor by Affirmative Action.

    In the ‘Old America,’ Walter White would have been allowed, would have been encouraged, to fight hard to succeed. And he easily could have become one the ‘dead white men’ enlightened Liberals demand we all hate. Instead, Walter White boiled over.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Jake


    The Walter White reference is most insightful. He is the best film presentation of the middle American white guy who realizes at some point that the ‘system’ of Liberal America hasn’t just been pissing on his leg while assuring him it was raining; the Liberal system has been forcing him to wallow through feces: for which the system taxes him while reminding him he has it easy because of white privilege.
     
    So he starts making illegal and addictive drugs...
    , @Ivy
    @Jake

    Breaking Bad characters provided quite a look at elements of American culture that were only vague news stories. Imagine how those characters fit into more neighborhoods around the country (readers, maybe down your block?), and how their lives pan out. Uncle Jack, Skinny Pete, and Saul Goodman, among others in the supporting cast, had verisimilitude due to fine acting and superb writing. The cast left people wanting more and thinking about how their lives would be impacted if in similar circumstances.

    How many television shows provide the type of look past the two-dimensional portraits on so many shows?

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

  36. @Anonym
    While white identity and pride are at a bit of a nadir, odds favor a resurgence. The old hushed-up bit of knowledge that anti-Semitism can be a glue that binds Jews together - well anti-Whitism also works this way on whites.

    A lot of white people are pretty calm and even-tempered until they snap. When we snap in an organized fashion, we get shit done.

    In any case, white people have done a lot of cool stuff throughout history. How can anyone not look upon the awesome things we have accomplished, the progress in every facet of human accomplishment and not feel a welling of pride within oneself? I certainly do, and there are loads of parents of white children who feel the same way, even if they aren't vocal about it yet.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @snorlax, @Thea, @MBlanc46, @Jeff77450

    I think we will go the way of the wooly mammoth by 2200. Maybe the Slavs will still be here but I see zero reason for optimism about a white awakening.

    Femenism has turned too many into mulatto producers. This has a chain reaction on the rest of the family and prevents others whites from going to far.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Thea

    I think we will go the way of the wooly mammoth by 2200. Maybe the Slavs will still be here but I see zero reason for optimism about a white awakening.

    It's important to look at historical time scales, look at what sort of things we have done throughout history (the DNA is mostly the same), and look for indicators of rates of change.

    We have at various times been extremely ethnocentric. We have waged wars of conquest and engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing (like every other race/ethnic group of sufficient size and scope). We have done so in an organized fashion. We have overthrown oppressive regimes. We have fought against all odds and won.

    Not every family has members who outbreed. Not everyone has the inclination to outbreed. Some have a strong inclination not to outbreed. Willingness to outbreed is being boiled off the white genome at a fairly rapid rate. The core is becoming more ethnocentric by default, even in an environment of 24/7 anti-White pro-miscegenation propaganda. When we fight for and win the right to our own programming, freedom of speech in countries without it and freedom of association... the pendulum is going to swing the other way, hard.

    Usually in the mathematical world, when things reach as low as the can go, the only possibility is to bounce back. While I certainly bemoan the fact we are a global minority, we are still a major racial group in size. So even with all the outbreeding, the remnant is still going to be a big population.

    Now the rates of change. I have been following comments sections since there were comments sections on the internet. Way back when, practically no one was at all fashy. You had to phrase your sentiments very carefully to get past the moderation in most cases. (I suspect that Hasbara tried for a while to be fake neo-nazis, saying highly objectionable stuff designed to turn off randoms, with obvious imagery. Then they stopped because they realized it was pointless, they were getting lost in a swarm. And maybe some of them were being converted by us.)

    Well, fast forward to 2017. At many times, the NYT reader's picks are on our side. The NYT! We have elected Trump and passed Brexit. Most comment sections have closed down because TPTB can't handle the fashy content. R/alt-right gets shoahed, and what happens? Well, some went to voat's identitarian, and a large number it appears just went back into the_donald and continued commenting there in a partially crypto fashion. Breitbart went from nothing to a counterweight that helped swing an election.

    The thing to realize about the meme wars, the online wars, is that opinions can be changed but once someone goes pro-white, they generally stay that way. Once someone has been red pilled, the blue pills don't work any more. The beauty is that they can shut us up but they don't generally kill us. They can't stop us reproducing with other white people and breeding at well above replacement levels. Mathematically, the odds are stacked in our favor.

    Replies: @Thea

  37. @Buffalo Joe
    Black success depends solely on blacks wanting to be successful, not on whites' desire for them to succeed. Year after year, actually almost month after month, we hear how blacks are failing to meet, not exceed, minimum standards for relative success, such as graduate from High School. I can use Buffalo, a majority minority public school district where only 50% graduate from HS. A large part of that failure is due to the fact that absenteeism is rampant. The average number of days absent in Buffalo HS is 37 days, which is 5 full weeks of school. If you can't start your life by putting some effort in, you will more than likely fail at being successful. A few weeks ago the topic was the high number of black college graduates failing the NY City teacher's exam. Actually, the problem of white involvement in black success, is that whites don't demand enough of blacks. My opinion, and I don't have an answer.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Jack D

    American black culture is plenty dysfunctional, but also keep in mind that 1/2 of blacks have IQ’s below 85 (not unrelated to the 50% drop out rate in Buffalo), so they just don’t have “the necessities” to complete a high school curriculum, at least not a college prep type.

    There is plenty of dishonesty to go around – we keep telling these kids that they can be doctors, lawyers, Presidents just like all the folks they see on TV commercials but the truth is that most of them are not cut out for this even if their parents were the fiercest Asian Tiger parents on earth (and usually they are anything but).

    IF we still had a functioning economy with jobs that a sub-85 IQ person could do and IF we a had a proper technical training system to educate these kids for those kind of jobs instead of putting non-college material on a college prep track, and if all low skilled jobs were not taken up by immigrants, then we might get somewhere, but we don’t.

    Back in the day, blacks were known to have certain strengths beside just athleticism and musical ability. Certain talents are not that closely linked to IQ. For example, going back to colonial times, blacks were considered to be the best chefs (this was before we had Italians – keep in mind the only competition was English so it was not a high bar). Blacks were considered synonymous with good cooking, so if you wanted to promote your product as tasty, then despite the horrible evil racism of the time, you would use a black person as the image of your product so people would associate its qualities with black culinary ability – Uncle Ben, Aunt Jemima, etc. – if you bought these products then maybe a little bit of black culinary mojo would rub off on you, just like Michael Jordan sneakers might enable you to jump a little higher. But instead the restaurant kitchens of America are full of Mexicans today. That’s just one example.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Jack D

    They were considered good barbers as well. Even during the hated Jim Crow era whites would go to black barber shops.

    A lot of these students are pushed into remedial college courses, at taxpayer expense, as well. They are accepted contingent on successfully completely what are essentially low level high school classes. The statistics are grim in that maybe 25% actually get a degree. What that degree is in may not be marketable. They will have federal loans on which they will default.

    But the university got their tuition money and an increase in minority enrollment so, who cares?

    Replies: @Jack D

  38. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    If you look at a place like Sweden, or even Germany, there's very little sign of backlash. It's just all nice white ladies all they way down. Maybe there will be a backlash someday but it will be too late. Hillary and all her experts thought (and not without good reason) that it was too late for an American white backlash and it ALMOST was - it was a close run thing. And it's not really over - they still think Trump is a passing fad and soon things will go back to "normal".

    There's always the possibility that by the time you awake to the danger it's too late to do anything about it. People engage in protective denial a lot. Western societies are full of denial now. Part of the reason why Jews did not mount an effective resistance to the Holocaust is that they literally refused to believe what was happening. There were a few people who managed to escape from the extermination camps and when they went back to Warsaw or Lodz or whatever and told the community where those trains were going they were simply disbelieved. Part of it was that it was unprecedented but part of it was just protective denial because it was too big a problem to deal with in any normal way. The Polish resistance actually smuggled someone into a death camp and then back out to the US in order to give an eye witness account to Felix Frankfurter and he did the same thing - "Sorry I can't believe you." And then he did nothing.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    White identity has taken a massive beating, and it may be dead, but I’ll give it my best shot. Even little things count.

    The other day when a neighbor was talking about the NCAA tournament, I said that I don’t normally care because it’s a bunch of kids who don’t belong anywhere near a college campus, but that this year, I was routing for one team. Which one? Mt. St. Mary’s of course. “Why?” he asked. I gave him a quizzical look said, “Because they’re white. Why wouldn’t I cheer for my own. Same as Asians rout for Jeremy Lin.”

    He gave me a somewhat shocked, slightly disgusted look and switched to another subject. Pretty sure that I didn’t win over a convert but I did something just as important. I let people know that there are whites who are normal and are willing to show pride in their own people. Most whites are too far gone. My hope is that 10 or 20 percent of whites are willing to bit by bit band together.

    It’ll take time, and we’ll probably fail (heck, look at California and Texas, you don’t see white identity blooming there despite the demographic changes), but I can’t imagine a better lost cause to fight for.

    Steve believes in Citizenism, similar to Trump’s nationalism. I just don’t see how that works. At its core Citizenism is still a Proposition Nation, and I just don’t think a Proposition Nation can stand up in the face of tribal thinkers such as the Jews and Asians.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Not sure what you accomplished there except convincing your neighbor that you are some kind of Nazi to be avoided. You really need to push the Overton Window an inch at a time - giant leaps aren't going to work on most people. First you gain acceptance for gays and THEN you go for trannies - if you jump right to trannies it's not going to work.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Truth
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    The other day when a neighbor was talking about the NCAA tournament, I said that I don’t normally care because it’s a bunch of kids who don’t belong anywhere near a college campus, but that this year, I was routing for one team. Which one? Mt. St. Mary’s of course. “Why?” he asked. I gave him a quizzical look said, “Because they’re white.
     
    Dude, my heart truly goes out to the WN who roots on basketball by way of race. That has to be year-in-and-year-out, almost-inevitable torture.

    It would be like me rooting for the one little black boy in a 4th grade, "who can sit still the longest" contest.
    , @Jake
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I think Mount St. Marys, which is in MD, started 4 blacks. St Marys in CA started 5 whites and had at least 12 white players total.

    The only reason the media stopped hating on Gonzaga this year is that for the first time ever Gonzaga started 4 black players.

  39. @JohnnyWalker123

    Because their population was limited while their continent was not, Franklin observed in 1754, Americans could afford to live large.
    Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden. Perhaps not surprisingly, each year tens of thousands of Americans brought up on Franklin’s more expansive American dream are giving up and dropping dead.
     
    Are Appalachians giving up because of mass immigration and high land prices? Is McDowell County plagued by immigration and unaffordable housing?

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors.

    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role "pill mill" doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the "War on Terror," which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    The Anglosphere and Europe haven't seen the same fall in life expectancy, despite also being hit hard by immigration and falling prospects for blue collar workers. The declining standard of living matters, but so do all of the above factors (most of which aren't present in those other countries).

    I actually find it remarkable that so many posters here don't even discuss any of the above factors. I don't know why. I suppose it's because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for "Big Government Socialism."

    When the New York Times doesn't mention the role immigration plays in falling wages, that's strange. When conservatives here don't mention the role that Big Pharma played in the White Death, that's also very strange. A lot of people are willfully ignorant and refuse to criticize what they hold sacred. For liberals, they hold minorities and immigrants as sacred, which makes non-whites exempt from critique. For conservatives, they hold big business and "small govt" as sacred, so they don't want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

    It's also interesting to see who gets to be the default bogeyman. For the left, the default bogeyman is straight white men. Anytime something goes wrong in the lives of minorities or women, straight white men are somehow to blame.

    When the white death was discussed, a lot of the conservatives here automatically blamed feminists, cultural relativists, anti-white liberals, and gays. Someone here even blamed abusive black boyfriends. Apparently, West Virginia has lots of abusive black boyfriends. Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren't seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc. None of these posters even noticed that culturally conservative Utah has experienced the White Death.

    When people have a default bogeyman, sometimes they don't let facts or reasoning get in the way.

    It wouldn't kill the NY Times to once in a while mention that immigration is lowering the standard of living in America. It wouldn't kill some of you to mention that term "Big Pharma."

    By the way, a few years ago, Ron Unz wrote an excellent article on Vioxx. Apparently, Vioxx killed several hundred thousand Americans and the govt and media didn't notice. Interestingly, when Ron wrote that article, some of the posters here went out of their way to defend....... the drugmaker.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Ron estimated 500,000 premature deaths due to Vioxx. For some reason, people here don't talk much about that article. The Vioxx death total is roughly 150x the 9/11 death total, but doesn't get mentioned much here or anywhere else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jack D, @bomag, @Thea, @utu, @Federalist, @anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Das, @Jake

    Yes, truly Cognitive dissonance affects everyone, right or left.

    Yes Big pharma is part of the problem.

    Some of us commenters call out corporations regularly.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Thea


    Some of us commenters call out corporations regularly.
     
    Not enough. I looked through a lot of the discussions here on the White Death. It's remarkable how many people didn't even mention Big Pharma. Even when they do, it gets 1-2 lines in a post.

    If I didn't know better, I'd think most people here are pharmaceutical company reps.

    It's sad to see whites kiss the rear end of minorities, but get nothing in return. It's equally sad to see many people here ignore (or defend) Big Pharma's machinations, despite not actually working for any of these pharma companies. It is totally bizarre that lots of random internet posters (few of whom are wealthy shareholders or execs) would do that.

    There are some more astute posters, but they get drowned out by everyone who blames "Big Govt", liberals, blacks, etc.

    Replies: @Ivy

  40. My daughter is pale skinned and blue eyed, but she has one Jamaican black grandparent and you can bet she’ll be applying to the elite colleges as a minority.

  41. @Jack D
    @Buffalo Joe

    American black culture is plenty dysfunctional, but also keep in mind that 1/2 of blacks have IQ's below 85 (not unrelated to the 50% drop out rate in Buffalo), so they just don't have "the necessities" to complete a high school curriculum, at least not a college prep type.

    There is plenty of dishonesty to go around - we keep telling these kids that they can be doctors, lawyers, Presidents just like all the folks they see on TV commercials but the truth is that most of them are not cut out for this even if their parents were the fiercest Asian Tiger parents on earth (and usually they are anything but).

    IF we still had a functioning economy with jobs that a sub-85 IQ person could do and IF we a had a proper technical training system to educate these kids for those kind of jobs instead of putting non-college material on a college prep track, and if all low skilled jobs were not taken up by immigrants, then we might get somewhere, but we don't.

    Back in the day, blacks were known to have certain strengths beside just athleticism and musical ability. Certain talents are not that closely linked to IQ. For example, going back to colonial times, blacks were considered to be the best chefs (this was before we had Italians - keep in mind the only competition was English so it was not a high bar). Blacks were considered synonymous with good cooking, so if you wanted to promote your product as tasty, then despite the horrible evil racism of the time, you would use a black person as the image of your product so people would associate its qualities with black culinary ability - Uncle Ben, Aunt Jemima, etc. - if you bought these products then maybe a little bit of black culinary mojo would rub off on you, just like Michael Jordan sneakers might enable you to jump a little higher. But instead the restaurant kitchens of America are full of Mexicans today. That's just one example.

    Replies: @Thea

    They were considered good barbers as well. Even during the hated Jim Crow era whites would go to black barber shops.

    A lot of these students are pushed into remedial college courses, at taxpayer expense, as well. They are accepted contingent on successfully completely what are essentially low level high school classes. The statistics are grim in that maybe 25% actually get a degree. What that degree is in may not be marketable. They will have federal loans on which they will default.

    But the university got their tuition money and an increase in minority enrollment so, who cares?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Thea

    There is still a huge industry in black hair care - black hair requires a lot more care than white to begin with and black cultural norms require that you spend even more ("we need our weaves"). Rachel Dolezal's faux African look reportedly cost thousands. The first black millionaire was a woman who sold black hair care products. There are very few viable black run businesses in the ghetto but there are hair salons (and storefront churches) on every block.

    Blacks have shied away from these kind of jobs because nowadays proud Africans hate serving white people unless it is at a place like the DMV where they can openly reveal their undisguised contempt for you. But I think that they also were outcompeted in both areas in an earlier wave of immigration - by Italians. After Uncle Ben there was Chef Boyardee.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Truth

  42. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The black upper-middle class is an artificial construct supported by affirmative action, in particular through hiring for government jobs. Obama put blacks in as heads of NASA, Homeland Security, DOJ, appointment of judges, Jarrett, Rice, etc etc. Have any of them come up with a single original idea? It’s curious that the black population seems to cling to the ‘one-drop’ rule more than anyone else. It’s a way for them to make afrocentric claims about everything having been done by blacks, Abe Lincoln was black, moon landings were achieved by them and so on. There’s a lot of self-delusion going on to make everyone feel better and Hollywood movies that all feature black geniuses play into this. The end result is mediocrity.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @anonymous


    moon landings were achieved by them and so on.
     
    Somebody said black people achieved a moon landing?
  43. Jack, Yes, sadly most of these doable jobs are no longer available to any Americans. The giant steel mills that dotted the Great Lakes had great paying jobs, with benefits. If you could stand the heat, the dirt and the danger, you were middle class. Buffalo has a HS, Emerson Vocational, that teaches culinary skills. They have a high rate of graduation and a successful off site restaurant that serves good lunches and does well. The students there see the fruits of their effort, pun intended. The local community college has a power grid program where students train to be linemen for the utility companies. Great paying jobs, that require training and hard work. Problem is, not enough kids see that as a path to success. Rather, they go to college with absolutely no idea of what they want to do with the rest of their life but with the mistaken notion that someone will sort it out for them when they graduate. A lot, if not most of this, is attributable to lack of direction in their home life.

  44. I remember a friend doing work on ethnicity and self-employment circa 1992, and he noted back then that almost everyone who was bi-racial identified as black. You would think that data point alone is dispositive that systematic institutional bias against blacks isn’t a ‘thing.’ Why does everyone with a choice make themselves more conspicuous to this horrible disadvantage?

  45. More on this article making my mind work –

    Sailer observes that there is really no identity as ‘white. That is true. That is, I think, a reason, WASP Elites (so named by Digby Baltzell, himself part of the Philadelphia version) naturally stressed in the bad ole days that every other ethnic group of whites lose their actual identity and become just ‘white.’ Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Spanish, French, Italian, Austrian, Bavarian, Polish, Serbian, Hungarian, Russian: these are real identities. White is not. And those with a definite identity have a huge, perhaps nearly insurmountable, advantage over those who do not.

    WASPs know that as well as Jews.

    That is the reason the Celtic South thing interested me from the time I encountered it. Liberals immediately acted to damn it and then make certain it never again was aired, and WASP Elites joined in. If many non-Elite whites have an identity other than just white, especially when that identity also is tied to a specific geography, then they could be the vanguard of resistance to the Liberal system that is slowly making them into serfs.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Jake


    Sailer observes that there is really no identity as ‘white
     
    When Ali was exiled from boxing due to his stance on the war in the late 60's he went on the lecture circuit to make money, and he used to lecture at college campuses. One of his points was that one of the problems with blacks was that we had no pride due to no connection to our heritage.

    "The white-man is an Italian, a Frenchman, an Irishman, a German, etc., but black men are always called 'negro', there is no country in Africa called 'negro'" he said.

    This was a southern audience at an HBCU and they were a little daunted by his controversial ideas so they were sitting on their hands. Ali repeated himself to drive the point home, "The white-man is an Italian, a Frenchman, an Irishman, a German, etc., but black men are always called 'negro', there is no country in Africa called 'negro.'"

    The second time a black man stood up and said; "I ain't heard'a no country called "white folks" neither..."
  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump’s knee jerk statement on Syria attack is a huge red flag. He’s a sleep-deprived jackass surrounded by liberals. Another own goal.

    Bannon is being sabotaged by prog skunk Kushner and if we lose Bannon then we lose everything.

    Trump keeps Obama appointee at head of border patrol:

    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/04/05/brandon-darby-border-patrol-agents-feel-betrayed-trump-administration/

    Patrol Agents Feel Betrayed by the Trump Administration

    • Troll: Coemgen
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Anonymous

    There you go!
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/05/steve-bannon-reportedly-removed-from-national-security-council-in-reorganization.html

    Bringing Ivanka on board, who probably would have voted for Hillary had her father not run, was the kiss of death. Her Zionist husband didn't help, either.

    Replies: @Coemgen

  47. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Buffalo Joe

    You don't have an answer because there is no answer. Blacks on average are less intelligent and have different behavioral traits than whites. They AREN'T white people. Stop asking them to be black-faced versions of us. It's impossible.

    Almost impossibly, whites combine racial arrogance (we expect all other races to act and achieve exactly as we do because we're the pinnacle of human evolution) and racial masochism (many of us get some bizarre pleasure from denigrating our people).

    We sit here day after day complaining about and being shocked about how blacks, Asians, Mestizos, etc. don't achieve and behave just like white people. No fucking kidding. We're different breeds of dogs. Why would you expect a Chihuahua to act and perform the same as a St. Bernard.

    Let blacks be blacks and Asians be Asians, etc. Why do so many white have this need to push our ways onto others and then worry when they don't play by our rules. Hell, we even get bitter when Asians overachieve. "Those Asians are studying too much. That's not how we envisioned the SAT to work. You weren't supposed to study for it." Wrong! We designed the system for whites and our biology/culture. Asians are just doing what they do. Stop asking them to be white.

    This is why ethnic nationalism works. Create your little corner of the world and create a system that works for YOUR people and leave others alone.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Truth

    Citizen, Thank you for your reply. I know that I don’t have an answer, and no one will ever teach a collection of my thoughts as a college course, but your answer comes close.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe,

    My apologies if my rant seemed directed at you. It wasn't.

    The iSteve crowd is a very impressive bunch, but we do suffer from being continually shocked by the fact that non-white people don't act and achieve like white people even as we openly discuss our genetic differences. (I'm just as guilty as the rest, btw.) It's odd.

    Racial and ethnic groups are different and probably shouldn't live together in large numbers. That's the harsh answer that we don't want to face because of what it implies. But the truth doesn't care whether we want to face it or not.

    I used to fear that the United States would end up as North Brazil, but now I'm beginning to wonder if that's the good scenario.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Diversity Heretic, @Flip

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Buffalo Joe

    Citi, no offense taken, because no offense was offered. You gave a good reply and I thank you. Every day is a learning experience here...imagine if they served drinks.

    Replies: @Truth

  48. @OilcanFloyd
    "African-American culture is spectacularly successful at producing sports and entertainment celebrities, but depressingly dysfunctional at uplifting the black masses and making them competitive. Therefore, despite growing demand for African-Americans to fill set-aside jobs, ever fewer typical black Americans are up to the minimum demands of analytical jobs."

    I think blacks view sports and entertainment as set-asides for blacks, and many white elites apparently think the same way. How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance? Black entertainers are forced on white America like Holocaust or Adam Sandler movies. Outside of superstar positions in sports, many black role-players could easily be replaced by whites, but that doesn't fit the apparent script. More whites would likely develop into superstar athletes if there were more white role players.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Coemgen, @Truth

    How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance?

    Yes, who could enjoy the insane squeaking or spastic movements of say, Michael Jackson or James Brown? No one.

    I have heard many stories of innocent white people, walking down the street and minding their own business when suddenly they were taken at gunpoint, dragged into a dark theatre and forced to watch Billy Madison from start to finish (including the coming attractions AND the credits). The same story is repeated over and over (sometimes it’s Happy Gilmore or 50 First Dates, but otherwise the story is the same). This leads to lifelong trauma. In fact, many are in denial and would swear to you that they opened their wallets and voluntarily bought a ticket. But that is just because they have repressed the memory of their abductions.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Jack D

    There's a huge amount of virtue signaling involved when whites claim to love James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, blues, Motown, Jazz, Micheal Jackson, Soul Train, Ella Fitzgerald, etc. That's all just filler music, like when you hear "Super Freak" in the grocery store and every public gathering.

    I guess I should have specified that I meant the true garbage like rap and Beyonce that whites know they are supposed to like, or else. That crap is literally hand-picked and forced on the nation. Remember how MTV changed in the 1990s? It was consumer driven at first.

    Of course, Hollywood forces an agenda, and people watch because they like going to the movies, and that's what's available. Just look at the number of Holocaust movies/miniseries if you think that Hollywood is consumer driven. Who on earth likes that depressing garbage, which also has absolutely nothing to do with the American experience? Don't see a whole lot of movies about Unit 731 or the rape of Nanking, which would be far more interesting.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Jack D

    Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis, Ella Fitzgerald and Dionne Warwick wee genuinely good. It was, of course, a different era.

    , @Truth
    @Jack D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p32OC97aNqc

  49. @Anonym
    While white identity and pride are at a bit of a nadir, odds favor a resurgence. The old hushed-up bit of knowledge that anti-Semitism can be a glue that binds Jews together - well anti-Whitism also works this way on whites.

    A lot of white people are pretty calm and even-tempered until they snap. When we snap in an organized fashion, we get shit done.

    In any case, white people have done a lot of cool stuff throughout history. How can anyone not look upon the awesome things we have accomplished, the progress in every facet of human accomplishment and not feel a welling of pride within oneself? I certainly do, and there are loads of parents of white children who feel the same way, even if they aren't vocal about it yet.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @snorlax, @Thea, @MBlanc46, @Jeff77450

    I’ve already snapped.

  50. @Altai
    OT: Whitehats are reporting a new sarin attack by the Syrians (I'm not sure with what sarin, John Kerry seemed to sign off on them having given up and destroyed all their stocks). As usual the only evidence is a shaky video from a known propaganda outfit that could easily be staged. Trump has either fallen for or is complicit in an attempt to derail the Syria conference tomorrow.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/04/various-issues.html

    They've posted it to Wikipedia's front page on the news section now.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Just more Zionist neocon disinformation. All those corpses are faking being dead. Bashar Assad is really an awesome guy and would NEVER order a gas attack.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Jack D

    If we can't trust anti-government sources deeply tied to a bloody civil war, who have been caught making shit up several times, who can we trust? All those people who accurately predicted how things would go?

    Clearly the Syrian government would carry out a chemical weapons attack (Cleverly only targeting civilians) on the eve of talks and when it was on the eve of victory. It's not a deliberate horseshit PR blitz like all the other times.

    I somehow get the feeling though that you'd be much harsher than just using sarin in dealing with sunni arabs, if only if they weren't fighting your perceived enemies.

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    @Jack D

    But what's in it for Assad? Last time there were allegations of a sarin attack he was only saved from being Gaddafi'd from the air* by the British Labour Party voting against David Cameron for party political reasons (to draw a line under the Blair days and to embarrass Cameron). Congress took their lead from the UK (not often I could write that) and Assad was subsequently saved by Russia.

    Assad isn't stupid, whatever else he may be, and he's now winning the war that the West/Gulf/Saudis fomented. Why should he want to tweak the lion's tail and put all that at risk?

    (And isn't there a very well-funded anti-Assad PR campaign spooning up news and interviewees to a press ever less capable of finding stuff out for themselves?)


    * and Syria becoming Libya "to the power of Iraq".

    Replies: @anarchyst, @Jack D

    , @Thea
    @Jack D

    Even if he did, how is worse than Bush or Netanyahu? Non murderous dictators don't stay in power in the Middle East.

    Assad cares about those whom he considers to be his people. Replace him and you still continue the civil war perhaps with better but likely much worse leadership.

    Have you watched his interviews? Assad is intellegent. Much more so than Sadam or Kim Jung Il( whatever his name is)

  51. @JohnnyWalker123

    Because their population was limited while their continent was not, Franklin observed in 1754, Americans could afford to live large.
    Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden. Perhaps not surprisingly, each year tens of thousands of Americans brought up on Franklin’s more expansive American dream are giving up and dropping dead.
     
    Are Appalachians giving up because of mass immigration and high land prices? Is McDowell County plagued by immigration and unaffordable housing?

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors.

    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role "pill mill" doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the "War on Terror," which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    The Anglosphere and Europe haven't seen the same fall in life expectancy, despite also being hit hard by immigration and falling prospects for blue collar workers. The declining standard of living matters, but so do all of the above factors (most of which aren't present in those other countries).

    I actually find it remarkable that so many posters here don't even discuss any of the above factors. I don't know why. I suppose it's because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for "Big Government Socialism."

    When the New York Times doesn't mention the role immigration plays in falling wages, that's strange. When conservatives here don't mention the role that Big Pharma played in the White Death, that's also very strange. A lot of people are willfully ignorant and refuse to criticize what they hold sacred. For liberals, they hold minorities and immigrants as sacred, which makes non-whites exempt from critique. For conservatives, they hold big business and "small govt" as sacred, so they don't want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

    It's also interesting to see who gets to be the default bogeyman. For the left, the default bogeyman is straight white men. Anytime something goes wrong in the lives of minorities or women, straight white men are somehow to blame.

    When the white death was discussed, a lot of the conservatives here automatically blamed feminists, cultural relativists, anti-white liberals, and gays. Someone here even blamed abusive black boyfriends. Apparently, West Virginia has lots of abusive black boyfriends. Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren't seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc. None of these posters even noticed that culturally conservative Utah has experienced the White Death.

    When people have a default bogeyman, sometimes they don't let facts or reasoning get in the way.

    It wouldn't kill the NY Times to once in a while mention that immigration is lowering the standard of living in America. It wouldn't kill some of you to mention that term "Big Pharma."

    By the way, a few years ago, Ron Unz wrote an excellent article on Vioxx. Apparently, Vioxx killed several hundred thousand Americans and the govt and media didn't notice. Interestingly, when Ron wrote that article, some of the posters here went out of their way to defend....... the drugmaker.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Ron estimated 500,000 premature deaths due to Vioxx. For some reason, people here don't talk much about that article. The Vioxx death total is roughly 150x the 9/11 death total, but doesn't get mentioned much here or anywhere else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jack D, @bomag, @Thea, @utu, @Federalist, @anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Das, @Jake

    You made excellent points. However do not expect the so-called conservatives to follow your lead:

    For conservatives, they hold big business and “small govt” as sacred, so they don’t want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

  52. res says:
    @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    All of Big Pharma is not implicated in the White Death. There are only a couple of companies (Purdue, etc.) who deal with that stuff. Most narcotics now are off patent and are cheap generics.

    The Vioxx #s are highly exaggerated. Only 3,500 people received a settlement, not 500,000. If there were more people who could be connected to Vioxx they would have gotten on the law suit gravy train. Vioxx didn't kill you like an overdose of Fentanyl. It lead to a slightly higher risk of having a heart attack sooner in old people who were going to have a heart attack soon anyway. It was just a lawyer's festival.

    Replies: @res, @JohnnyWalker123

    Only 3,500 people received a settlement, not 500,000. If there were more people who could be connected to Vioxx they would have gotten on the law suit gravy train.

    Jack, you are smart enough to understand the difference between being able to establish a legally defensible connection between Vioxx and a death and being able to infer the size of a connection from statistical trends. This bit of trivia from the NPR timeline linked below is worth noting: “The settlement lets Merck avoid the personal-injury lawsuits of some 47,000 plaintiffs” I’m not sure how those lawsuits relate to the ~3,500 numbers I see, e.g. http://www.rhllaw.com/Blog/2010/July/Families-of-Nearly-3-500-Deceased-Vioxx-Users-Re.aspx

    I see three different forms of estimates for Vioxx deaths:
    1. ~3,500 people received a settlement (you, link above, is this a complete number?).
    2. Scientists gave various estimates of excess Vioxx heart attack and sudden deaths from 28,000 to 160,000 based on the measured increased risk of heart attack and sudden death https://www.finance.senate.gov/download/david-graham http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp048286
    (Graham estimated of these 30-40% probably died)
    3. Ron Unz estimated from the overall behavior of mortality rates over time that Vioxx may have been responsible for up to 500,000 deaths.

    I think it likely that the truth lies between 2 and 3. I find the scientific estimates credible and think they require a better argument than the handwave you gave to rebut them. It’s difficult to rigorously evaluate Ron’s estimate, but I think it serves as a good guess at an upper bound. How many excess deaths do YOU estimate occurred because of Vioxx? Surely that would be more than the 3,500 you glibly quoted? It really does not inspire confidence to hear an accusation of overestimate accompanied by what is likely an order of magnitude or more underestimate (trying to establish a mental anchor?).

    It will be interesting to see if we end up having a rash of poor outcomes late in life after decades of people having been on prescription drugs.

    P.S. Re: “It lead to a slightly higher risk of having a heart attack”
    Do you consider a 3.7x increase in risk of heart attack or sudden cardiac death (compared to Celebrex) “slight” given that heart disease is the leading cause of mortality in the US?

    P.P.S. Detailed Vioxx timelines for anyone interested: https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/05/briefing/2005-4090B1_04_E-FDA-TAB-C.htm http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5470430

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @res

    It was a lawyer's festival and that's all it was.

    From the wiki:

    In 2005, advisory panels in both the U.S. and Canada encouraged the return of rofecoxib (Vioxx) to the market, stating that rofecoxib's benefits outweighed the risks for some patients. The FDA advisory panel voted 17-15 to allow the drug to return to the market despite being found to increase heart risk. The vote in Canada was 12-1, and the Canadian panel noted that the cardiovascular risks from rofecoxib seemed to be no worse than those from ibuprofen...

    (Merck didn't return the drug because of the legal risk).

    All drugs have risks and benefits. These are drugs that are given mostly to an elderly population. They are going to be having heart attacks or dying of something no matter what. The total mortality rate is 100% - no one gets out alive. If millions of people get years of relief from debilitating pain and a few thousand have a heart attack a year or two sooner than they otherwise would, does this mean that the millions have to suffer? Shouldn't people be allowed to make their own choice once the risk is explained to them?

    Replies: @res

    , @Yak-15
    @res

    I took Vioxx as a teenager to help with elbow tendinitis. It worked very well. I had zero heart issues as well.

  53. @Thomas

    As Hillary’s failure to motivate blacks in key Electoral College states to turn out suggests, the future increasingly belongs to the small number of individuals who can, Obama-like, scrape together some biological claim to blackness without being weighed down by African-American cultural traits.
     
    It's all the worse when you consider that this "small number of [Obama-like] individuals" will often turn into a clique or cabal. We don't have to imagine this. Susan Rice was part of the "mulatto Mafia" (along with Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Jeh Johnson, and of course, Obama himself) that had such sway over national security in Obama's administration.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @MBlanc46, @Ed

    A mulatto elite? Sounds like Haiti.

  54. @Anon
    https://media2.wnyc.org/i/720/600/c/80/1/RebeccaCarroll.jpg


    Someone married her?

    Replies: @anon, @Cindy

    She has beautiful eyes.

  55. @Hubbub
    Interesting -

    But a handful of students have gotten eight Ivy acceptances for the class of 2019. These students have one specific thing in common — they're all the children of immigrants.
     
    Accepted by design or by chance?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Triumph104

    They’re not just immigrants but black immigrants. That’s really why they are getting in, because the AA created for American slave descendants gets extended to clever Igbos (whose ancestors are probably are the ones who sold the slaves to the Arab traders who sold them to the American slave traders).

    The chances of an Asian immigrant getting into all Ivies are astronomically small. They would need to have 3600 SATs because Asians with 2400 SATs get their Ivy applications tossed in the trash every day.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Jack D


    Asians with 2400 SATs get their Ivy applications tossed in the trash every day.
     
    Now Jack, do they really score %100 on the SATs and get their applications tossed.?

    Replies: @snorlax, @Jack D

    , @Triumph104
    @Jack D

    Most immigrant kids who get into all eight Ivy League colleges are black but not all.

    Stefan Stoykov (white Bulgarian) is class of 2019 and got into all eight. His parents won the US's green card lottery.

    Pooja Chandrashekar (East Indian) is class of 2019 -- accepted to all eight Ivy League colleges, Stanford, MIT, Duke, etc.

    Cassandra Hsiao (Malaysian/Taiwanese -- 100% ethnic Chinese?) -- accepted this year into all eight Ivy League colleges.

    http://www.standartnews.com/english/read/bulgarian_wunderkind_accepted_to_all_ivy_league_schools_in_us-8019.html
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/education/pooja-chandrasekar-she-s-only-17-but-has-scored-admissions-to-all-8-ivy-league-schools/story-0FhJUFPOMEtGJvvIaP9k0H.html
    http://thetab.com/us/2017/03/31/got-into-all-ivies-64085

    Replies: @Ed

  56. @snorlax
    @Anonym

    Unfortunately I don't see a whole lot of banding together: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    Replies: @Federalist

    It could be that Trump’s approval rating really is low. But I don’t think we have any way of knowing. These pollsters and the media told us that Trump wasn’t serious about running; couldn’t possibly win the nomination; the GOP would steal the nomination at the convention; and Trump had no chance of beating Hillary.

  57. Abe says: • Website

    Some of this may have to do with what the brilliant Jordan Peele, who is also biracial and black, tapped into for the plot of his genre-redefining box office hit, “Get Out”

    Really? The 90’s are calling, and TALES FROM THE HOOD and CANDYMAN want their “genre-redefining” accolades for mixing horror with socially-conscious anti-racism themes.

    I guess it is an authentically black thang to give fulsome praise to other blacks (“brilliant”, “best ever”, “genius”) instead of- you know- doing that stale pale ol’ male thing of offering a measured critique so that the field can actually advance. If they’re not staring each other down, about to pop 99 caps, they’re buttering each other up, offering mad props.

    The first major “role” of Jordan Peele’s I’m aware of was as one of the gang-bangers in Weird Al Yankovic’s WHITE AND NERDY music video from about 10 years back. Which itself came out 7 years after his ALL ABOUT THE PENTIUMS video, by which point he had already been a cultural icon for over 15 years. Weird Al uses other artists’ music, to be sure, but his lyrics are all his own, and honestly it takes much more skill than may be apparent to copy a melody well (his “flow” on WHITE AND NERDY is on par with the best rappers). He also makes quite enjoyable original compositions as well (ALTERNATIVE POLKA being a favorite of mine). Jordan Peele- I’ve known (of) Weird Al Yankovic for 35 years now. You, sir, are no Weird Al Yankovic!

  58. I’ve always been struck by the black term “the talented tenth,” generally applied to light-skinned, college-educated partly black blacks. The term implies the existence of a burdensome, untalented 90 percent.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Mark Caplan

    Mark, what you say about the 90% untalented is true, but sadly you will only see that on a site like this.

    , @snorlax
    @Mark Caplan

    "The talented tenth" isn't a black term, it's an HBDer term. I think it was either Steve or Jared Taylor who coined it.

    Replies: @Flip, @res, @okie

  59. @res
    @Jack D


    Only 3,500 people received a settlement, not 500,000. If there were more people who could be connected to Vioxx they would have gotten on the law suit gravy train.
     
    Jack, you are smart enough to understand the difference between being able to establish a legally defensible connection between Vioxx and a death and being able to infer the size of a connection from statistical trends. This bit of trivia from the NPR timeline linked below is worth noting: "The settlement lets Merck avoid the personal-injury lawsuits of some 47,000 plaintiffs" I'm not sure how those lawsuits relate to the ~3,500 numbers I see, e.g. http://www.rhllaw.com/Blog/2010/July/Families-of-Nearly-3-500-Deceased-Vioxx-Users-Re.aspx

    I see three different forms of estimates for Vioxx deaths:
    1. ~3,500 people received a settlement (you, link above, is this a complete number?).
    2. Scientists gave various estimates of excess Vioxx heart attack and sudden deaths from 28,000 to 160,000 based on the measured increased risk of heart attack and sudden death https://www.finance.senate.gov/download/david-graham http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp048286
    (Graham estimated of these 30-40% probably died)
    3. Ron Unz estimated from the overall behavior of mortality rates over time that Vioxx may have been responsible for up to 500,000 deaths.

    I think it likely that the truth lies between 2 and 3. I find the scientific estimates credible and think they require a better argument than the handwave you gave to rebut them. It's difficult to rigorously evaluate Ron's estimate, but I think it serves as a good guess at an upper bound. How many excess deaths do YOU estimate occurred because of Vioxx? Surely that would be more than the 3,500 you glibly quoted? It really does not inspire confidence to hear an accusation of overestimate accompanied by what is likely an order of magnitude or more underestimate (trying to establish a mental anchor?).

    It will be interesting to see if we end up having a rash of poor outcomes late in life after decades of people having been on prescription drugs.

    P.S. Re: "It lead to a slightly higher risk of having a heart attack"
    Do you consider a 3.7x increase in risk of heart attack or sudden cardiac death (compared to Celebrex) "slight" given that heart disease is the leading cause of mortality in the US?

    P.P.S. Detailed Vioxx timelines for anyone interested: https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/05/briefing/2005-4090B1_04_E-FDA-TAB-C.htm http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5470430

    Replies: @Jack D, @Yak-15

    It was a lawyer’s festival and that’s all it was.

    From the wiki:

    In 2005, advisory panels in both the U.S. and Canada encouraged the return of rofecoxib (Vioxx) to the market, stating that rofecoxib’s benefits outweighed the risks for some patients. The FDA advisory panel voted 17-15 to allow the drug to return to the market despite being found to increase heart risk. The vote in Canada was 12-1, and the Canadian panel noted that the cardiovascular risks from rofecoxib seemed to be no worse than those from ibuprofen…

    (Merck didn’t return the drug because of the legal risk).

    All drugs have risks and benefits. These are drugs that are given mostly to an elderly population. They are going to be having heart attacks or dying of something no matter what. The total mortality rate is 100% – no one gets out alive. If millions of people get years of relief from debilitating pain and a few thousand have a heart attack a year or two sooner than they otherwise would, does this mean that the millions have to suffer? Shouldn’t people be allowed to make their own choice once the risk is explained to them?

    • Replies: @res
    @Jack D

    No response to the substantive parts of my comment? You are better than that. Let's try again with some more details.

    Let's focus on David Graham's Lancet paper that I mentioned:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15705456

    Here is the abstract:


    BACKGROUND:
    Controversy has surrounded the question about whether high-dose rofecoxib increases or naproxen decreases the risk of serious coronary heart disease. We sought to establish if risk was enhanced with rofecoxib at either high or standard doses compared with remote non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) use or celecoxib use, because celecoxib was the most common alternative to rofecoxib.
    METHODS:
    We used data from Kaiser Permanente in California to assemble a cohort of all patients age 18-84 years treated with a NSAID between Jan 1, 1999, and Dec 31, 2001, within which we did a nested case-control study. Cases of serious coronary heart disease (acute myocardial infarction and sudden cardiac death) were risk-set matched with four controls for age, sex, and health plan region. Current exposure to cyclo-oxygenase 2 selective and non-selective NSAIDs was compared with remote exposure to any NSAID, and rofecoxib was compared with celecoxib.
    FINDINGS:
    During 2302029 person-years of follow-up, 8143 cases of serious coronary heart disease occurred, of which 2210 (27.1%) were fatal. Multivariate adjusted odds ratios versus celecoxib were: for rofecoxib (all doses), 1.59 (95% CI 1.10-2.32, p=0.015); for rofecoxib 25 mg/day or less, 1.47 (0.99-2.17, p=0.054); and for rofecoxib greater than 25 mg/day, 3.58 (1.27-10.11, p=0.016). For naproxen versus remote NSAID use the adjusted odds ratio was 1.14 (1.00-1.30, p=0.05).
    INTERPRETATION:
    Rofecoxib use increases the risk of serious coronary heart disease compared with celecoxib use. Naproxen use does not protect against serious coronary heart disease.
     
    To be clear, rofecoxib is Vioxx, celecoxib is Celebrex. For high dose Vioxx treatment the risk was increased by 3.6x over Celebrex.

    From the discussion section of the paper:

    We should assess the potential public-health effects of failure to take earlier action. From 1999 to September, 2004, an estimated 106·7 million rofecoxib prescriptions were dispensed in the USA, of which 17·6% were highdose.39 In two Merck-sponsored randomised clinical trials,2,25 relative risks for acute myocardial infarction of 5 for high-dose rofecoxib and 2 for the standard dose were recorded. The background rate for acute myocardial infarction among control groups from studies of cardiovascular risk in NSAID users varied from 7·9 per 1000 person-years in CLASS1 to 12·4 per 1000 person-years in TennCare.6
    Using the relative risks from the above mentioned randomised clinical trials and the background rates seen in NSAID risk studies, an estimated 88000–
    140000 excess cases of serious coronary heart disease probably occurred in the USA over the market-life of rofecoxib.40 The US national estimate of the case-fatality rate (fatal acute myocardial infarction plus sudden cardiac death) was 44%,41 which suggests that many of the excess cases attributable to rofecoxib use were fatal.

     

    And here's a nice bit of shamefulness associated with that paper: http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/25/science/sci-vioxx25
    http://khn.org/morning-breakout/dr00027781/

    I was concerned that Celebrex might increase risk as well meaning that the 3.6x number understated the risk, but more recent data indicates this is (happily) not so: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/celebrex-arthritis-nsaid-drug-study-surprises-cardiovascular-heart-experts/

    It was a lawyer’s festival
     
    Yes.


    and that’s all it was.
     
    No.

    Awaiting a more substantive response from you. I think the data above is sufficient response to: "the Canadian panel noted that the cardiovascular risks from rofecoxib seemed to be no worse than those from ibuprofen" which apparently said more about the competence of the Canadian panel than it did about reality.

    P.S. FWIW I would have been OK with a limited return of Vioxx with the risks well understood (I tend to believe in letting people make their own choices). I took it once and it was remarkably effective. I probably would not have taken it had the risks been known though.

    P.P.S. I notice your "few thousand" again. Trying to anchor people to that unsupported number is despicable.

    Replies: @utu, @Jack D

  60. @Buffalo Joe
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citizen, Thank you for your reply. I know that I don't have an answer, and no one will ever teach a collection of my thoughts as a college course, but your answer comes close.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Buffalo Joe

    Joe,

    My apologies if my rant seemed directed at you. It wasn’t.

    The iSteve crowd is a very impressive bunch, but we do suffer from being continually shocked by the fact that non-white people don’t act and achieve like white people even as we openly discuss our genetic differences. (I’m just as guilty as the rest, btw.) It’s odd.

    Racial and ethnic groups are different and probably shouldn’t live together in large numbers. That’s the harsh answer that we don’t want to face because of what it implies. But the truth doesn’t care whether we want to face it or not.

    I used to fear that the United States would end up as North Brazil, but now I’m beginning to wonder if that’s the good scenario.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citi, I replied to you but it got posted to the original comment. No offense taken, because none was offered. We're good.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    South Africa is probably the bad, but increasingly likely scenario between 2075 and 2100.

    , @Flip
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I think the US is clearly becoming North Brazil with a European/Jewish/Asian upper class, a mixed middle class and a colored lower class. We have more corruption, less rule of law, and a less cohesive society due to the racial differences. And coming soon, a much weaker currency and high inflation due to poor governmental finances. We may even have our own black favelas in the big cities after the money runs out.

  61. @JohnnyWalker123

    Because their population was limited while their continent was not, Franklin observed in 1754, Americans could afford to live large.
    Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden. Perhaps not surprisingly, each year tens of thousands of Americans brought up on Franklin’s more expansive American dream are giving up and dropping dead.
     
    Are Appalachians giving up because of mass immigration and high land prices? Is McDowell County plagued by immigration and unaffordable housing?

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors.

    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role "pill mill" doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the "War on Terror," which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    The Anglosphere and Europe haven't seen the same fall in life expectancy, despite also being hit hard by immigration and falling prospects for blue collar workers. The declining standard of living matters, but so do all of the above factors (most of which aren't present in those other countries).

    I actually find it remarkable that so many posters here don't even discuss any of the above factors. I don't know why. I suppose it's because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for "Big Government Socialism."

    When the New York Times doesn't mention the role immigration plays in falling wages, that's strange. When conservatives here don't mention the role that Big Pharma played in the White Death, that's also very strange. A lot of people are willfully ignorant and refuse to criticize what they hold sacred. For liberals, they hold minorities and immigrants as sacred, which makes non-whites exempt from critique. For conservatives, they hold big business and "small govt" as sacred, so they don't want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

    It's also interesting to see who gets to be the default bogeyman. For the left, the default bogeyman is straight white men. Anytime something goes wrong in the lives of minorities or women, straight white men are somehow to blame.

    When the white death was discussed, a lot of the conservatives here automatically blamed feminists, cultural relativists, anti-white liberals, and gays. Someone here even blamed abusive black boyfriends. Apparently, West Virginia has lots of abusive black boyfriends. Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren't seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc. None of these posters even noticed that culturally conservative Utah has experienced the White Death.

    When people have a default bogeyman, sometimes they don't let facts or reasoning get in the way.

    It wouldn't kill the NY Times to once in a while mention that immigration is lowering the standard of living in America. It wouldn't kill some of you to mention that term "Big Pharma."

    By the way, a few years ago, Ron Unz wrote an excellent article on Vioxx. Apparently, Vioxx killed several hundred thousand Americans and the govt and media didn't notice. Interestingly, when Ron wrote that article, some of the posters here went out of their way to defend....... the drugmaker.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Ron estimated 500,000 premature deaths due to Vioxx. For some reason, people here don't talk much about that article. The Vioxx death total is roughly 150x the 9/11 death total, but doesn't get mentioned much here or anywhere else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jack D, @bomag, @Thea, @utu, @Federalist, @anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Das, @Jake

    I suppose it’s because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for ‘Big Government Socialism.’

    I think that there is quite a bit of criticism of the free-market economic system here. This isn’t National Review. A really free market means open borders and moving jobs overseas (basically, a free labor market). Also, it means multinational corporations without loyalty to any nation and the free flow of capital across national boundaries. Free trade is NAFTA and TPP. Free trade is rootless capitalism that treats each person as a consumer only and is opposed to tradition, nationalism, affinity for the land of one’s birth, etc.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Federalist


    I think that there is quite a bit of criticism of the free-market economic system here.
     
    Very little. Other than criticizing corporations for immigration and being too deferential to PC - and occasionally mentioning outsourcing.

    The general view here is that corporations go wrong when they embrace globalism and PC. Other than that, corporations don't really do much wrong. The average poster here likes corporations about as much as the NYT loves minorities. Their bizarre fetish keeps them from any real critique.

    I noticed that you didn't mention Big Pharma anywhere in your post.

    Replies: @Federalist

  62. @Bleuteaux

    White elites are happy to promote black privilege because they don’t see many American blacks as being anything other than token competition for their children at getting the really good jobs.
     
    This is a perfect description of what is going on in Corporate America and what affirmative action hiring is all about. Upper class whites eliminating competition from the proletariat. They know that their beneficiaries will never actually challenge them.

    PS - Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work? Is anyone else doing this?

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Clark Westwood, @Buzz Mohawk, @Lugash, @Nico, @Thea

    If you are using a company device for your website reading and commenting you are definitely suicidal. If you are using your own device, likely not, I would think.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Old fogey

    Even if he is using his own phone, if he is on company wifi then the company has every right to monitor the traffic. If he is using his own cellular data plan on his own phone then he MIGHT be OK but that's the minimum I would do.

  63. @keuril
    @Jack D

    Sometimes they publish some of the stats of these kids. The SAT scores I've seen are in the range of 2100-2250. Not bad but usually not good enough to get into HYPS if you're white or Asian and not an athletic recruit or a legacy.
    I wish they would run stories about Asians with perfect or near-perfect SATs who got rejected by all Ivies. There are probably several thousand each year.

    Replies: @Jack D

    In the land of the blind, one eyed men are kings. In the affirmative action land of 85 IQ blacks, 120 IQ Igbos are kings (kangs?).

    Generally speaking, blacks in Ivy League Land get spotted around 300 points on the 2400 point SAT, so a black with a 2100 has the same chance as getting in as a white with 2400. Asians get a negative handicap (not sure how many points – it’s a dirty secret and gets muddied because so many groups like Filipinos get thrown into the Asian bucket in order to muddy the waters further. If you mean Chinese or Korean, then it’s a significant handicap).

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Jack D

    Yeah, you guys really do unfairly take a lot of Ivy league slots from those Chins.

    , @Gaslighting Hotep
    @Jack D

    The SAT is scored by a computer, how does it know the exact race of the student?

  64. @Jack D
    @OilcanFloyd

    How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance?

    Yes, who could enjoy the insane squeaking or spastic movements of say, Michael Jackson or James Brown? No one.

    I have heard many stories of innocent white people, walking down the street and minding their own business when suddenly they were taken at gunpoint, dragged into a dark theatre and forced to watch Billy Madison from start to finish (including the coming attractions AND the credits). The same story is repeated over and over (sometimes it's Happy Gilmore or 50 First Dates, but otherwise the story is the same). This leads to lifelong trauma. In fact, many are in denial and would swear to you that they opened their wallets and voluntarily bought a ticket. But that is just because they have repressed the memory of their abductions.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Diversity Heretic, @Truth

    There’s a huge amount of virtue signaling involved when whites claim to love James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, blues, Motown, Jazz, Micheal Jackson, Soul Train, Ella Fitzgerald, etc. That’s all just filler music, like when you hear “Super Freak” in the grocery store and every public gathering.

    I guess I should have specified that I meant the true garbage like rap and Beyonce that whites know they are supposed to like, or else. That crap is literally hand-picked and forced on the nation. Remember how MTV changed in the 1990s? It was consumer driven at first.

    Of course, Hollywood forces an agenda, and people watch because they like going to the movies, and that’s what’s available. Just look at the number of Holocaust movies/miniseries if you think that Hollywood is consumer driven. Who on earth likes that depressing garbage, which also has absolutely nothing to do with the American experience? Don’t see a whole lot of movies about Unit 731 or the rape of Nanking, which would be far more interesting.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @OilcanFloyd


    Don’t see a whole lot of movies about Unit 731 or the rape of Nanking, which would be far more interesting.
     
    The Japanese killed for a fairly traditional reason - to enforce their writ, by cowing any potential opposition, and in numbers that were fairly moderate relative to historical numbers in both absolute and percentage terms. The Nazis murdered millions on the basis of the idea that some ethnicities would never be loyal to the Reich and even if they were, the Reich did not want these trash ethnicities, anyway, and the best way to deal with this issue was to kill them all. Traditional empire-builders have considered their newly-conquered subjects to be barbarians that, while inferior, could be brought into the embrace of civilization and remade into loyal subjects via careful tutelage.

    The Japanese did in Asia what various daimyos had done in the run-up to the unification of Japan, and what rulers around the world (including all over Asia) have done to secure their territorial conquests. Even Genghis Khan killed only to cow potential opposition, and his soldiers and administrators included every ethnicity and religious faith in his empire. Hitler was the first large-scale empire builder to decide that surrendered peoples of the wrong ethnic type had to be killed to the last man, woman and child. His wickedness (and stupidity, from a strategic standpoint) is fairly unique, which is why there is so much written about him.

  65. Great column Steve . Operative phrase is Peasant Fatalism . That = White Death . Ironically as the US becomes less white we’re becoming more like Europe , at least in that regard . Trump seems like the first European Nationalist president . He’s got a lot more in common with Euro nationalists than traditional Republicans , not just Rino – cucks. A good example is single payer health coverage and his “we’re gonna take care of our people “. His Mom IS from Europe – at least the very outer fringes .

  66. @Thea
    @Jack D

    They were considered good barbers as well. Even during the hated Jim Crow era whites would go to black barber shops.

    A lot of these students are pushed into remedial college courses, at taxpayer expense, as well. They are accepted contingent on successfully completely what are essentially low level high school classes. The statistics are grim in that maybe 25% actually get a degree. What that degree is in may not be marketable. They will have federal loans on which they will default.

    But the university got their tuition money and an increase in minority enrollment so, who cares?

    Replies: @Jack D

    There is still a huge industry in black hair care – black hair requires a lot more care than white to begin with and black cultural norms require that you spend even more (“we need our weaves”). Rachel Dolezal’s faux African look reportedly cost thousands. The first black millionaire was a woman who sold black hair care products. There are very few viable black run businesses in the ghetto but there are hair salons (and storefront churches) on every block.

    Blacks have shied away from these kind of jobs because nowadays proud Africans hate serving white people unless it is at a place like the DMV where they can openly reveal their undisguised contempt for you. But I think that they also were outcompeted in both areas in an earlier wave of immigration – by Italians. After Uncle Ben there was Chef Boyardee.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, How sad is it that people actually thought Chef B's canned starch with ketchup was Italian food, but I did eat it at Boy Scout camp.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Truth
    @Jack D


    Blacks have shied away from these kind of jobs because nowadays proud Africans hate serving white people unless it is at a place like the DMV where they can openly reveal their undisguised contempt for you.
     
    I always thought that had more to do with waiting on 16 people an hour.
  67. @George
    Black Misleadership Class
    https://www.blackagendareport.com/category/african-america/black-misleadership-class

    Replies: @Ed

    Pugh does the prudent thing by vetoing a $15 per hour minimum wage in a city where many are simply unemployable but is bashed by black media. Good luck leading a group of people that can’t grasp simple economics.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Ed

    It's not that they are simply unemployable - for those (crack addicts, etc.) there's no wage at which they would be employable - even free is too much.

    Rather, the problem (which a $15 minimum wage would exacerbate) is that there are many who are marginally employable. Let's say you have a high school student who is currently making $9/hr. pushing the buttons at the McDonald's cash register. She's not the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but that's OK for now, because her productivity is say $12 hr. so it's still profitable to keep her instead of having a longer line at lunchtime. But now you have to pay her $15/hr. So she isn't going to have a job at all. Either you are going to put in that ordering kiosk, or else since you are now paying $15/hr you are going to be able to recruit more talented people to do the job or else people are just going to have to wait in line longer, but you're not going to lose money on her no matter what (unless they pass another law saying you can't fire her).

    Replies: @Yak-15

  68. @Thomas

    As Hillary’s failure to motivate blacks in key Electoral College states to turn out suggests, the future increasingly belongs to the small number of individuals who can, Obama-like, scrape together some biological claim to blackness without being weighed down by African-American cultural traits.
     
    It's all the worse when you consider that this "small number of [Obama-like] individuals" will often turn into a clique or cabal. We don't have to imagine this. Susan Rice was part of the "mulatto Mafia" (along with Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Jeh Johnson, and of course, Obama himself) that had such sway over national security in Obama's administration.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @MBlanc46, @Ed

    In fairness to Hillary, Latino candidates in Latino strongholds can’t turn out their people either.

  69. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    White identity has taken a massive beating, and it may be dead, but I'll give it my best shot. Even little things count.

    The other day when a neighbor was talking about the NCAA tournament, I said that I don't normally care because it's a bunch of kids who don't belong anywhere near a college campus, but that this year, I was routing for one team. Which one? Mt. St. Mary's of course. "Why?" he asked. I gave him a quizzical look said, "Because they're white. Why wouldn't I cheer for my own. Same as Asians rout for Jeremy Lin."

    He gave me a somewhat shocked, slightly disgusted look and switched to another subject. Pretty sure that I didn't win over a convert but I did something just as important. I let people know that there are whites who are normal and are willing to show pride in their own people. Most whites are too far gone. My hope is that 10 or 20 percent of whites are willing to bit by bit band together.

    It'll take time, and we'll probably fail (heck, look at California and Texas, you don't see white identity blooming there despite the demographic changes), but I can't imagine a better lost cause to fight for.

    Steve believes in Citizenism, similar to Trump's nationalism. I just don't see how that works. At its core Citizenism is still a Proposition Nation, and I just don't think a Proposition Nation can stand up in the face of tribal thinkers such as the Jews and Asians.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Truth, @Jake

    Not sure what you accomplished there except convincing your neighbor that you are some kind of Nazi to be avoided. You really need to push the Overton Window an inch at a time – giant leaps aren’t going to work on most people. First you gain acceptance for gays and THEN you go for trannies – if you jump right to trannies it’s not going to work.

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Jack D

    Disagree with you totally. I think Citizen was right on the money. We need to be more forthright. I guarantee you that dude has those word rattling around in his head now and there was no "nazi" in said words.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    You're a Nazi for routing for your own kind. Are Asians Nazis for routing for Lin? Are Jews Nazis for noticing and cheering on Jewish athletes?

    You may be right that we need to take small steps, but at some point, you have to say something. By your definition, even the smallest acknowledgement of being white and being marginally proud of that would cause people to think of you as a Nazi.

    But, again, perhaps you are right. Maybe we're only at a point where pushing the idea that whites should be accepted a group, just like every other group is enough. No need to show pride in being white, just asking that we be acknowledged as a people.

  70. @Anonymous
    Trump's knee jerk statement on Syria attack is a huge red flag. He's a sleep-deprived jackass surrounded by liberals. Another own goal.

    Bannon is being sabotaged by prog skunk Kushner and if we lose Bannon then we lose everything.

    Trump keeps Obama appointee at head of border patrol:

    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/04/05/brandon-darby-border-patrol-agents-feel-betrayed-trump-administration/

    Patrol Agents Feel Betrayed by the Trump Administration

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    There you go!
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/05/steve-bannon-reportedly-removed-from-national-security-council-in-reorganization.html

    Bringing Ivanka on board, who probably would have voted for Hillary had her father not run, was the kiss of death. Her Zionist husband didn’t help, either.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @OilcanFloyd

    Ivanka's been mugged. If she was a "liberal" she isn't one now.

  71. @Bleuteaux

    White elites are happy to promote black privilege because they don’t see many American blacks as being anything other than token competition for their children at getting the really good jobs.
     
    This is a perfect description of what is going on in Corporate America and what affirmative action hiring is all about. Upper class whites eliminating competition from the proletariat. They know that their beneficiaries will never actually challenge them.

    PS - Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work? Is anyone else doing this?

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Clark Westwood, @Buzz Mohawk, @Lugash, @Nico, @Thea

    PS – Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work?

    I honestly don’t know.

    Is anyone else doing this?

    I do it. No ill effects detected so far.

  72. @Jack D
    Google image search admitted to all 8 Ivy League schools and see what you get.

    There was another one this week:

    https://lifestyle.thecable.ng/ifeoma-white-thorpe-all-ivy-league/

    http://www.businessinsider.com/students-accepted-to-all-8-ivy-league-schools-have-one-specific-thing-in-common-2015-4

    Replies: @keuril, @Federalist

    Many credit their success to their parents’ experiences growing up outside the US.
    ‘When I was growing up, my mom told me her own story of growing up in Somalia. My grandfather was a very revolutionary man in that he not only wanted to educate his sons, but also his daughters,’ Khalif told the Star Tribune.

    O.K. These kids may have done very well in school partly because they were inspired by their parents’ stories of coming from Third World hellholes. But there are probably thousands of other equally smart kids out there who didn’t get into any Ivy League schools. But those kids don’t have black skin and so can’t pass for regular American blacks. If you think that African immigrants don’t count as “close enough” look at Obama. His mother was white and his father was African. Our first African-American president is not descended from slaves or anyone who lived under Jim Crow, or who was a potential victim of lynching or the Klan. After the Freedom Riders, Selma, all the marches, and sit-ins, etc., they had to bring in a ringer from the outside to be the first black president.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Federalist

    Morgan Freeman once declared that Obama was not a true black man because he had a "white mama" from Kansas:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2171751/Dont-forget-white-momma-Morgan-Freeman-says-Obama-black-President.html

    And Jesse Jackson once said that he wanted to "cut [Obama's] nuts off" for "talking down to black people":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wf6LnwRZXA

    So don't think that there weren't any blacks who noticed that Barack wasn't quite the bona fide brutha he sometimes (awkwardly) pretended to be.

    (Of course, they still voted for him ... a fake brutha with an honest-to-God sista for a wife beats a real cracka every time. )

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

  73. @Dr. Doom
    The GOP is DEAD, but the D-Party is unraveling. The last "chair" election shows its no longer viable. Identity politics has killed them. By attacking Whites, Whites now have NO CHOICE BUT TO COME TOGETHER, and the other identities never really got along, but now their numbers have grown to the point they are beginning to fight each other. That La Raza guy may have gotten over the black nationalist, but that's a portent of DOOM . Telling blacks they have to take second place behind "hispanic" will not go over well. Those angry "minorities" are now fighting each other. That Crazy Quilt is quickly and irrevocably UNRAVELING.

    Replies: @keuril

    I believe you severely underestimate the number of permanently bluepilled whites.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @keuril

    And ye shall know them by their pre-maturely receding hairline and references to Harry Potter on twitter.

  74. @Ed
    @George

    Pugh does the prudent thing by vetoing a $15 per hour minimum wage in a city where many are simply unemployable but is bashed by black media. Good luck leading a group of people that can't grasp simple economics.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s not that they are simply unemployable – for those (crack addicts, etc.) there’s no wage at which they would be employable – even free is too much.

    Rather, the problem (which a $15 minimum wage would exacerbate) is that there are many who are marginally employable. Let’s say you have a high school student who is currently making $9/hr. pushing the buttons at the McDonald’s cash register. She’s not the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but that’s OK for now, because her productivity is say $12 hr. so it’s still profitable to keep her instead of having a longer line at lunchtime. But now you have to pay her $15/hr. So she isn’t going to have a job at all. Either you are going to put in that ordering kiosk, or else since you are now paying $15/hr you are going to be able to recruit more talented people to do the job or else people are just going to have to wait in line longer, but you’re not going to lose money on her no matter what (unless they pass another law saying you can’t fire her).

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @Jack D

    I think about this as well. But the trick going forward is to have a concerted push to create wage inflation and erode the student debt burden of legacy American population. This would involve wage nudges like increases in minimum wage as well as other inflationary policies. Seems that some in the academic community are pushing for this idea.

    Of course, the problem with this is that it's merely treating a symptom of the complete economic inefficiency and insolvency of the current system.

  75. @OilcanFloyd
    "African-American culture is spectacularly successful at producing sports and entertainment celebrities, but depressingly dysfunctional at uplifting the black masses and making them competitive. Therefore, despite growing demand for African-Americans to fill set-aside jobs, ever fewer typical black Americans are up to the minimum demands of analytical jobs."

    I think blacks view sports and entertainment as set-asides for blacks, and many white elites apparently think the same way. How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance? Black entertainers are forced on white America like Holocaust or Adam Sandler movies. Outside of superstar positions in sports, many black role-players could easily be replaced by whites, but that doesn't fit the apparent script. More whites would likely develop into superstar athletes if there were more white role players.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Coemgen, @Truth

    How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance?

    Gotta admit I’m not a fan of the singing and dancing but I really dig jazz:

  76. @keuril
    @Dr. Doom

    I believe you severely underestimate the number of permanently bluepilled whites.

    Replies: @Altai

    And ye shall know them by their pre-maturely receding hairline and references to Harry Potter on twitter.

  77. Mixed = Blite

  78. @Bleuteaux

    White elites are happy to promote black privilege because they don’t see many American blacks as being anything other than token competition for their children at getting the really good jobs.
     
    This is a perfect description of what is going on in Corporate America and what affirmative action hiring is all about. Upper class whites eliminating competition from the proletariat. They know that their beneficiaries will never actually challenge them.

    PS - Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work? Is anyone else doing this?

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Clark Westwood, @Buzz Mohawk, @Lugash, @Nico, @Thea

    Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work?

    You do know that your IT people can see everything you do on your computer, don’t you?

    1) Your employer is paying you to work, not to read and comment on blogs.

    2) They might think this blog is an evil place where puppy-kickers hang out.

    3) They could fire you because of point #2 and use point #1 as a legally-defensible reason, if needed, to do so.

    It’s up to your employer.

  79. @oilcan

    Events moving fast re Bannon. Talk radio is on it. Limbaugh on top of the Kushner/Cohn coup that is forming.

  80. OT: Trump revolution is pretty much over. Bannon is on his way out. Ivanka faction on the left and Nicki Haley faction on the right have won.

  81. @Jack D
    @Altai

    Just more Zionist neocon disinformation. All those corpses are faking being dead. Bashar Assad is really an awesome guy and would NEVER order a gas attack.

    Replies: @Altai, @Anonymous Nephew, @Thea

    If we can’t trust anti-government sources deeply tied to a bloody civil war, who have been caught making shit up several times, who can we trust? All those people who accurately predicted how things would go?

    Clearly the Syrian government would carry out a chemical weapons attack (Cleverly only targeting civilians) on the eve of talks and when it was on the eve of victory. It’s not a deliberate horseshit PR blitz like all the other times.

    I somehow get the feeling though that you’d be much harsher than just using sarin in dealing with sunni arabs, if only if they weren’t fighting your perceived enemies.

  82. @Bleuteaux

    White elites are happy to promote black privilege because they don’t see many American blacks as being anything other than token competition for their children at getting the really good jobs.
     
    This is a perfect description of what is going on in Corporate America and what affirmative action hiring is all about. Upper class whites eliminating competition from the proletariat. They know that their beneficiaries will never actually challenge them.

    PS - Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work? Is anyone else doing this?

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Clark Westwood, @Buzz Mohawk, @Lugash, @Nico, @Thea

    Yes, you’re suicidal for reading Unz or anything else alt-Right at work. If it’s your own device you’d a) better not be using corporate wifi b) better not be using Android as it’s almost certain that at least one app is sniffing your traffic c) better be using Tor, as Trump and Congress have seen fit to allow your browsing history(and all network traffic) to be sold.

    And to edit d) You run the risk of having someone shoulder surf what you’re browsing.

    • Replies: @Clark Westwood
    @Lugash


    Yes, you’re suicidal for reading Unz or anything else alt-Right at work.
     
    Well, you know what they say: In every suicide, there's an element of revenge.
    , @Truth
    @Lugash

    Yes, you’re suicidal for reading Unz or anything else alt-Right at work. If it’s your own device you’d a) better not be using corporate wifi b) better not be using Android as it’s almost certain that at least one app is sniffing your traffic c) better be using Tor, as Trump and Congress have seen fit to allow your browsing history(and all network traffic) to be sold.

    Or
    d) Start your own business like a REAL White Man, John Wayne!

  83. res says:
    @Jack D
    @res

    It was a lawyer's festival and that's all it was.

    From the wiki:

    In 2005, advisory panels in both the U.S. and Canada encouraged the return of rofecoxib (Vioxx) to the market, stating that rofecoxib's benefits outweighed the risks for some patients. The FDA advisory panel voted 17-15 to allow the drug to return to the market despite being found to increase heart risk. The vote in Canada was 12-1, and the Canadian panel noted that the cardiovascular risks from rofecoxib seemed to be no worse than those from ibuprofen...

    (Merck didn't return the drug because of the legal risk).

    All drugs have risks and benefits. These are drugs that are given mostly to an elderly population. They are going to be having heart attacks or dying of something no matter what. The total mortality rate is 100% - no one gets out alive. If millions of people get years of relief from debilitating pain and a few thousand have a heart attack a year or two sooner than they otherwise would, does this mean that the millions have to suffer? Shouldn't people be allowed to make their own choice once the risk is explained to them?

    Replies: @res

    No response to the substantive parts of my comment? You are better than that. Let’s try again with some more details.

    Let’s focus on David Graham’s Lancet paper that I mentioned:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15705456

    Here is the abstract:

    BACKGROUND:
    Controversy has surrounded the question about whether high-dose rofecoxib increases or naproxen decreases the risk of serious coronary heart disease. We sought to establish if risk was enhanced with rofecoxib at either high or standard doses compared with remote non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) use or celecoxib use, because celecoxib was the most common alternative to rofecoxib.
    METHODS:
    We used data from Kaiser Permanente in California to assemble a cohort of all patients age 18-84 years treated with a NSAID between Jan 1, 1999, and Dec 31, 2001, within which we did a nested case-control study. Cases of serious coronary heart disease (acute myocardial infarction and sudden cardiac death) were risk-set matched with four controls for age, sex, and health plan region. Current exposure to cyclo-oxygenase 2 selective and non-selective NSAIDs was compared with remote exposure to any NSAID, and rofecoxib was compared with celecoxib.
    FINDINGS:
    During 2302029 person-years of follow-up, 8143 cases of serious coronary heart disease occurred, of which 2210 (27.1%) were fatal. Multivariate adjusted odds ratios versus celecoxib were: for rofecoxib (all doses), 1.59 (95% CI 1.10-2.32, p=0.015); for rofecoxib 25 mg/day or less, 1.47 (0.99-2.17, p=0.054); and for rofecoxib greater than 25 mg/day, 3.58 (1.27-10.11, p=0.016). For naproxen versus remote NSAID use the adjusted odds ratio was 1.14 (1.00-1.30, p=0.05).
    INTERPRETATION:
    Rofecoxib use increases the risk of serious coronary heart disease compared with celecoxib use. Naproxen use does not protect against serious coronary heart disease.

    To be clear, rofecoxib is Vioxx, celecoxib is Celebrex. For high dose Vioxx treatment the risk was increased by 3.6x over Celebrex.

    From the discussion section of the paper:

    We should assess the potential public-health effects of failure to take earlier action. From 1999 to September, 2004, an estimated 106·7 million rofecoxib prescriptions were dispensed in the USA, of which 17·6% were highdose.39 In two Merck-sponsored randomised clinical trials,2,25 relative risks for acute myocardial infarction of 5 for high-dose rofecoxib and 2 for the standard dose were recorded. The background rate for acute myocardial infarction among control groups from studies of cardiovascular risk in NSAID users varied from 7·9 per 1000 person-years in CLASS1 to 12·4 per 1000 person-years in TennCare.6
    Using the relative risks from the above mentioned randomised clinical trials and the background rates seen in NSAID risk studies, an estimated 88000–
    140000 excess cases of serious coronary heart disease probably occurred in the USA over the market-life of rofecoxib.40 The US national estimate of the case-fatality rate (fatal acute myocardial infarction plus sudden cardiac death) was 44%,41 which suggests that many of the excess cases attributable to rofecoxib use were fatal.

    And here’s a nice bit of shamefulness associated with that paper: http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/25/science/sci-vioxx25
    http://khn.org/morning-breakout/dr00027781/

    I was concerned that Celebrex might increase risk as well meaning that the 3.6x number understated the risk, but more recent data indicates this is (happily) not so: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/celebrex-arthritis-nsaid-drug-study-surprises-cardiovascular-heart-experts/

    It was a lawyer’s festival

    Yes.

    and that’s all it was.

    No.

    Awaiting a more substantive response from you. I think the data above is sufficient response to: “the Canadian panel noted that the cardiovascular risks from rofecoxib seemed to be no worse than those from ibuprofen” which apparently said more about the competence of the Canadian panel than it did about reality.

    P.S. FWIW I would have been OK with a limited return of Vioxx with the risks well understood (I tend to believe in letting people make their own choices). I took it once and it was remarkably effective. I probably would not have taken it had the risks been known though.

    P.P.S. I notice your “few thousand” again. Trying to anchor people to that unsupported number is despicable.

    • Replies: @utu
    @res

    Very good overview. Does Jack D have a soft spot for Big Pharma in particular or is he Mr. Big Business Never Goes Wrong guy?

    , @Jack D
    @res


    In two Merck-sponsored randomised clinical trials,2,25 relative risks for acute myocardial infarction of 5 for high-dose rofecoxib and 2 for the standard dose were recorded. The background rate for acute myocardial infarction among control groups from studies of cardiovascular risk in NSAID users varied from 7·9 per 1000 person-years in CLASS1 to 12·4 per 1000 person-years in TennCare.
     
    If I am reading this correctly, for every 1,000 people taking the standard dose, 12.4 would have had a heart attack anyway and 14.4 of them actually did. (So 987.6 of the untreated and 985.6 of people taking it would either still be alive after a year or would have died from something else.) This doesn't strike me as some kind of war crime by Merck. To prolong (for 1 year) the lives of 2 people, 1,000 people have to be in a lot more pain.

    The only reason this added up to a big # of deaths from a small additional risk is that this was a very effective and popular drug - they sold 100,000,000 prescriptions of it. 100 million times anything is going to be a big #. If you sell 100 million doses of bubble gum , a certain # of people are going to choke to death on it .

    Replies: @res

  84. @Glossy
    when Benjamin Franklin, perhaps the single most broadly successful man in history

    Steve, you make fun of others' nationalist delusions, yet your own are just as funny.

    Replies: @syonredux

    when Benjamin Franklin, perhaps the single most broadly successful man in history

    Steve, you make fun of others’ nationalist delusions, yet your own are just as funny.

    Steve is being quite precise in his choice of words. He’s saying that Franklin was ” perhaps the single most broadly successful man in history,” not the most important or the greatest (contenders for that title would be men like Newton, Aristotle, Muhammad, etc).

    And Franklin certainly was extremely successful in a host of fields: printing (earning enough to retire as a gentleman of leisure in his 40s), physics (in the field of electricity he made a host of important innovations and discoveries: conservation of charge, coining key terms-positive, negative, battery-proving that lightning was an electrical phenomenon), technology (the lightning rod, bifocals), demography (the classic “Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, etc,” which influenced Malthus and Darwin), diplomacy (as Steve points out, he was America’s most successful diplomat), literature (the Autobiography, one of the most important exemplars of the genre), oceanography (he prepared the first map of the Gulf Stream), etc.

  85. @Jack D
    @Altai

    Just more Zionist neocon disinformation. All those corpses are faking being dead. Bashar Assad is really an awesome guy and would NEVER order a gas attack.

    Replies: @Altai, @Anonymous Nephew, @Thea

    But what’s in it for Assad? Last time there were allegations of a sarin attack he was only saved from being Gaddafi’d from the air* by the British Labour Party voting against David Cameron for party political reasons (to draw a line under the Blair days and to embarrass Cameron). Congress took their lead from the UK (not often I could write that) and Assad was subsequently saved by Russia.

    Assad isn’t stupid, whatever else he may be, and he’s now winning the war that the West/Gulf/Saudis fomented. Why should he want to tweak the lion’s tail and put all that at risk?

    (And isn’t there a very well-funded anti-Assad PR campaign spooning up news and interviewees to a press ever less capable of finding stuff out for themselves?)

    * and Syria becoming Libya “to the power of Iraq”.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Assad didn't do it...Mossad did...

    Replies: @Yak-15

    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous Nephew

    I really can't put myself in the head of a murderous dictator so I can't tell you what he was thinking. Maybe he was thinking that Putin has his back so he can do whatever the hell he wants and he will get away with it and win the war sooner. That the Russians will sow disinformation and say that nothing at all happened and credulous Putinphiles in the West will buy into it (that part has come true already). When X has actually happened, then it is pointless to speculate that it was not in someone's interest to do X so therefore it could not have happened - it already happened. People do things that are "unthinkable" and "out of character" and dumb all the time. People don't always act in (your perception of) their own best interest.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Anonymous

  86. @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Not sure what you accomplished there except convincing your neighbor that you are some kind of Nazi to be avoided. You really need to push the Overton Window an inch at a time - giant leaps aren't going to work on most people. First you gain acceptance for gays and THEN you go for trannies - if you jump right to trannies it's not going to work.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Disagree with you totally. I think Citizen was right on the money. We need to be more forthright. I guarantee you that dude has those word rattling around in his head now and there was no “nazi” in said words.

  87. @Buffalo Joe
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citizen, Thank you for your reply. I know that I don't have an answer, and no one will ever teach a collection of my thoughts as a college course, but your answer comes close.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Buffalo Joe

    Citi, no offense taken, because no offense was offered. You gave a good reply and I thank you. Every day is a learning experience here…imagine if they served drinks.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Buffalo Joe


    imagine if they served drinks.
     
    You'd spend all your time blubbering about how much you loved these dudes and bitching about Tyrod Taylor.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  88. @Mark Caplan
    I've always been struck by the black term "the talented tenth," generally applied to light-skinned, college-educated partly black blacks. The term implies the existence of a burdensome, untalented 90 percent.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @snorlax

    Mark, what you say about the 90% untalented is true, but sadly you will only see that on a site like this.

  89. @OilcanFloyd
    @Anonymous

    There you go!
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/05/steve-bannon-reportedly-removed-from-national-security-council-in-reorganization.html

    Bringing Ivanka on board, who probably would have voted for Hillary had her father not run, was the kiss of death. Her Zionist husband didn't help, either.

    Replies: @Coemgen

    Ivanka’s been mugged. If she was a “liberal” she isn’t one now.

  90. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe,

    My apologies if my rant seemed directed at you. It wasn't.

    The iSteve crowd is a very impressive bunch, but we do suffer from being continually shocked by the fact that non-white people don't act and achieve like white people even as we openly discuss our genetic differences. (I'm just as guilty as the rest, btw.) It's odd.

    Racial and ethnic groups are different and probably shouldn't live together in large numbers. That's the harsh answer that we don't want to face because of what it implies. But the truth doesn't care whether we want to face it or not.

    I used to fear that the United States would end up as North Brazil, but now I'm beginning to wonder if that's the good scenario.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Diversity Heretic, @Flip

    Citi, I replied to you but it got posted to the original comment. No offense taken, because none was offered. We’re good.

  91. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Jack D

    But what's in it for Assad? Last time there were allegations of a sarin attack he was only saved from being Gaddafi'd from the air* by the British Labour Party voting against David Cameron for party political reasons (to draw a line under the Blair days and to embarrass Cameron). Congress took their lead from the UK (not often I could write that) and Assad was subsequently saved by Russia.

    Assad isn't stupid, whatever else he may be, and he's now winning the war that the West/Gulf/Saudis fomented. Why should he want to tweak the lion's tail and put all that at risk?

    (And isn't there a very well-funded anti-Assad PR campaign spooning up news and interviewees to a press ever less capable of finding stuff out for themselves?)


    * and Syria becoming Libya "to the power of Iraq".

    Replies: @anarchyst, @Jack D

    Assad didn’t do it…Mossad did…

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @anarchyst

    It seems illogical to use chemical weapons in such small quantities. If you're going to earn the eire of the world, why not kill thousands or more to achieve some sort of tactical or strategic advantage? Such a small release appears stupid unless it's testing the waters for a greater employment of chemical weapons.

  92. @Jack D
    @Thea

    There is still a huge industry in black hair care - black hair requires a lot more care than white to begin with and black cultural norms require that you spend even more ("we need our weaves"). Rachel Dolezal's faux African look reportedly cost thousands. The first black millionaire was a woman who sold black hair care products. There are very few viable black run businesses in the ghetto but there are hair salons (and storefront churches) on every block.

    Blacks have shied away from these kind of jobs because nowadays proud Africans hate serving white people unless it is at a place like the DMV where they can openly reveal their undisguised contempt for you. But I think that they also were outcompeted in both areas in an earlier wave of immigration - by Italians. After Uncle Ben there was Chef Boyardee.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Truth

    Jack, How sad is it that people actually thought Chef B’s canned starch with ketchup was Italian food, but I did eat it at Boy Scout camp.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buffalo Joe

    I don't think those sneakers made me fly thru the air like Michael Jordan either, but that's the nature of celebrity endorsement - you hope that a LITTLE bit of their magic will rub off on the product and you'll get some of it by buying it.

    The only thing worse than "Spaghetti-o's" is whatever WASPS put in a can before that - I don't even know what that was. For you it was surely a big step down from your nona's gravy but for them it was a step up from canned gruel.

  93. @res
    @Jack D

    No response to the substantive parts of my comment? You are better than that. Let's try again with some more details.

    Let's focus on David Graham's Lancet paper that I mentioned:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15705456

    Here is the abstract:


    BACKGROUND:
    Controversy has surrounded the question about whether high-dose rofecoxib increases or naproxen decreases the risk of serious coronary heart disease. We sought to establish if risk was enhanced with rofecoxib at either high or standard doses compared with remote non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) use or celecoxib use, because celecoxib was the most common alternative to rofecoxib.
    METHODS:
    We used data from Kaiser Permanente in California to assemble a cohort of all patients age 18-84 years treated with a NSAID between Jan 1, 1999, and Dec 31, 2001, within which we did a nested case-control study. Cases of serious coronary heart disease (acute myocardial infarction and sudden cardiac death) were risk-set matched with four controls for age, sex, and health plan region. Current exposure to cyclo-oxygenase 2 selective and non-selective NSAIDs was compared with remote exposure to any NSAID, and rofecoxib was compared with celecoxib.
    FINDINGS:
    During 2302029 person-years of follow-up, 8143 cases of serious coronary heart disease occurred, of which 2210 (27.1%) were fatal. Multivariate adjusted odds ratios versus celecoxib were: for rofecoxib (all doses), 1.59 (95% CI 1.10-2.32, p=0.015); for rofecoxib 25 mg/day or less, 1.47 (0.99-2.17, p=0.054); and for rofecoxib greater than 25 mg/day, 3.58 (1.27-10.11, p=0.016). For naproxen versus remote NSAID use the adjusted odds ratio was 1.14 (1.00-1.30, p=0.05).
    INTERPRETATION:
    Rofecoxib use increases the risk of serious coronary heart disease compared with celecoxib use. Naproxen use does not protect against serious coronary heart disease.
     
    To be clear, rofecoxib is Vioxx, celecoxib is Celebrex. For high dose Vioxx treatment the risk was increased by 3.6x over Celebrex.

    From the discussion section of the paper:

    We should assess the potential public-health effects of failure to take earlier action. From 1999 to September, 2004, an estimated 106·7 million rofecoxib prescriptions were dispensed in the USA, of which 17·6% were highdose.39 In two Merck-sponsored randomised clinical trials,2,25 relative risks for acute myocardial infarction of 5 for high-dose rofecoxib and 2 for the standard dose were recorded. The background rate for acute myocardial infarction among control groups from studies of cardiovascular risk in NSAID users varied from 7·9 per 1000 person-years in CLASS1 to 12·4 per 1000 person-years in TennCare.6
    Using the relative risks from the above mentioned randomised clinical trials and the background rates seen in NSAID risk studies, an estimated 88000–
    140000 excess cases of serious coronary heart disease probably occurred in the USA over the market-life of rofecoxib.40 The US national estimate of the case-fatality rate (fatal acute myocardial infarction plus sudden cardiac death) was 44%,41 which suggests that many of the excess cases attributable to rofecoxib use were fatal.

     

    And here's a nice bit of shamefulness associated with that paper: http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/25/science/sci-vioxx25
    http://khn.org/morning-breakout/dr00027781/

    I was concerned that Celebrex might increase risk as well meaning that the 3.6x number understated the risk, but more recent data indicates this is (happily) not so: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/celebrex-arthritis-nsaid-drug-study-surprises-cardiovascular-heart-experts/

    It was a lawyer’s festival
     
    Yes.


    and that’s all it was.
     
    No.

    Awaiting a more substantive response from you. I think the data above is sufficient response to: "the Canadian panel noted that the cardiovascular risks from rofecoxib seemed to be no worse than those from ibuprofen" which apparently said more about the competence of the Canadian panel than it did about reality.

    P.S. FWIW I would have been OK with a limited return of Vioxx with the risks well understood (I tend to believe in letting people make their own choices). I took it once and it was remarkably effective. I probably would not have taken it had the risks been known though.

    P.P.S. I notice your "few thousand" again. Trying to anchor people to that unsupported number is despicable.

    Replies: @utu, @Jack D

    Very good overview. Does Jack D have a soft spot for Big Pharma in particular or is he Mr. Big Business Never Goes Wrong guy?

  94. My wife and I travelled into Buffalo on Sunday to stroll on Hertel Avenue, which is an old Italian/Jewish neighborhood that held some memories. Nice day, nice walk. We paused in front of a soon to open art gallery which displayed a collage of photographs of people holding signs that started with: “Knowing that…” There was a photo of a maybe three year old white boy, his face partially obscured by his placard. It said, “Knowing I am not special because I was born a white male.” His mom had a chance to change her self hate three times. One, don’t get pregnant. Two, abort your soon to be born white spawn. Three, don’t mate with white men. There, I solved her problem with white privilege . Still, seething though.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buffalo Joe

    How about, "Knowing that my mommy is an idiot because she makes me feel guilty about something that I was born with."

    If this woman did something like this to a kid who was handicapped, the child protection people would find her and put her in jail for mentally abusing her child.

  95. @Bleuteaux

    White elites are happy to promote black privilege because they don’t see many American blacks as being anything other than token competition for their children at getting the really good jobs.
     
    This is a perfect description of what is going on in Corporate America and what affirmative action hiring is all about. Upper class whites eliminating competition from the proletariat. They know that their beneficiaries will never actually challenge them.

    PS - Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work? Is anyone else doing this?

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Clark Westwood, @Buzz Mohawk, @Lugash, @Nico, @Thea

    Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work? Is anyone else doing this?

    I do but only on my personal mobile phone and on the cellular network. I wouldn’t take the risk on a company network.

  96. A fine piece, Steve. Some observations:

    You inherit race, though…. We’re reminded of this once again by Rachel Dolezal, the white woman who made national headlines in 2015 for claiming a black identity because she felt like it…. She is the biological child of white parents….

    I’m continually amazed by the rage that Dolezal’s adventures in trans-racialism have engendered in the Black community, especially among Black women. Some of that, no doubt, is due to sexual jealousy, as Dolezal (a White woman of mediocre appearance) made a very striking Black-ish woman…..But some of it, I’m sure, has to do with the fact that that the Black intelligentsia is, as a class, rather on the beige side of things. When you are in a room full of quadroons and octaroons who have attended WASPy prep schools and elite unis, doubts must enter the mind (What is Blackness? How Black am I compared to some gang-banger with a more anthracitic complexion?) Then the one drop rule comes to the rescue: “I am Black by virtue of Blood!” Sure, it’s a retrograde, Hitlerian notion, but it’s also deeply satisfying…..

    For my son, though, being black in America is about more than his skin color. It’s about power, confidence, culture and belonging…. That my son sees more power in centering his blackness over exploiting whatever white privilege he may ultimately be afforded is a thing of glory.

    Let’s try inverting that:

    For my son, though, being White in America is about more than his skin color. It’s about power, confidence, culture and belonging…. That my son sees more power in centering his Whiteness over exploiting whatever Black privilege he may ultimately be afforded is a thing of glory.

    Nah…..no MSM publication would ever dare print something like that…..

    “If my parents had instilled any Italian culture in me, I might want to share that with my son. But if you’re talking about general whiteness, there’s nothing there to pass down.”

    MMM, let’s see, “general whiteness”….that basically means Western Civilization, no? Quite a bit to pass down: Plato, Aristotle, the Norse Sagas, The Iliad & The Odyssey, Shakespeare, Gothic architecture, Beethoven, Wagner, Dante, ….

    Of course, we are not allowed to claim those things as belonging to us. No, we are supposed to see them as open to all……Meanwhile, Blacks, East Asians, Middle Eastern Muslims, and Latin Americans are allowed to point to various cultural achievements as their exclusive property….

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @syonredux

    You are giving this woman's hare brained rationalizations far too much credit as being actually worthy of point by point refutation. All that is going on is what Bin Laden saw - people instinctively want to back the strong horse and this woman perceives of black identity as being the strong horse in modern America. 70 years ago, she'd be getting her kid's hair bleached and keeping him out of the sun and making up opposite theories and lies about how her grandpa was a Cherokee and had not a drop of Negro blood. People will spout all kinds of ex post facto BS to rationalize the choices that their lizard brains have made for them which usually have nothing to do with their actual motives.

    , @Truth
    @syonredux


    Dolezal (a White woman of mediocre appearance) made a very striking Black-ish woman
     
    Syondey, I suggest you start getting out of the house more.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Stealth
    @syonredux

    That word you wrote, "anthracitic," I like it. Gonna use it.

  97. @res
    @Jack D

    No response to the substantive parts of my comment? You are better than that. Let's try again with some more details.

    Let's focus on David Graham's Lancet paper that I mentioned:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15705456

    Here is the abstract:


    BACKGROUND:
    Controversy has surrounded the question about whether high-dose rofecoxib increases or naproxen decreases the risk of serious coronary heart disease. We sought to establish if risk was enhanced with rofecoxib at either high or standard doses compared with remote non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) use or celecoxib use, because celecoxib was the most common alternative to rofecoxib.
    METHODS:
    We used data from Kaiser Permanente in California to assemble a cohort of all patients age 18-84 years treated with a NSAID between Jan 1, 1999, and Dec 31, 2001, within which we did a nested case-control study. Cases of serious coronary heart disease (acute myocardial infarction and sudden cardiac death) were risk-set matched with four controls for age, sex, and health plan region. Current exposure to cyclo-oxygenase 2 selective and non-selective NSAIDs was compared with remote exposure to any NSAID, and rofecoxib was compared with celecoxib.
    FINDINGS:
    During 2302029 person-years of follow-up, 8143 cases of serious coronary heart disease occurred, of which 2210 (27.1%) were fatal. Multivariate adjusted odds ratios versus celecoxib were: for rofecoxib (all doses), 1.59 (95% CI 1.10-2.32, p=0.015); for rofecoxib 25 mg/day or less, 1.47 (0.99-2.17, p=0.054); and for rofecoxib greater than 25 mg/day, 3.58 (1.27-10.11, p=0.016). For naproxen versus remote NSAID use the adjusted odds ratio was 1.14 (1.00-1.30, p=0.05).
    INTERPRETATION:
    Rofecoxib use increases the risk of serious coronary heart disease compared with celecoxib use. Naproxen use does not protect against serious coronary heart disease.
     
    To be clear, rofecoxib is Vioxx, celecoxib is Celebrex. For high dose Vioxx treatment the risk was increased by 3.6x over Celebrex.

    From the discussion section of the paper:

    We should assess the potential public-health effects of failure to take earlier action. From 1999 to September, 2004, an estimated 106·7 million rofecoxib prescriptions were dispensed in the USA, of which 17·6% were highdose.39 In two Merck-sponsored randomised clinical trials,2,25 relative risks for acute myocardial infarction of 5 for high-dose rofecoxib and 2 for the standard dose were recorded. The background rate for acute myocardial infarction among control groups from studies of cardiovascular risk in NSAID users varied from 7·9 per 1000 person-years in CLASS1 to 12·4 per 1000 person-years in TennCare.6
    Using the relative risks from the above mentioned randomised clinical trials and the background rates seen in NSAID risk studies, an estimated 88000–
    140000 excess cases of serious coronary heart disease probably occurred in the USA over the market-life of rofecoxib.40 The US national estimate of the case-fatality rate (fatal acute myocardial infarction plus sudden cardiac death) was 44%,41 which suggests that many of the excess cases attributable to rofecoxib use were fatal.

     

    And here's a nice bit of shamefulness associated with that paper: http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/25/science/sci-vioxx25
    http://khn.org/morning-breakout/dr00027781/

    I was concerned that Celebrex might increase risk as well meaning that the 3.6x number understated the risk, but more recent data indicates this is (happily) not so: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/celebrex-arthritis-nsaid-drug-study-surprises-cardiovascular-heart-experts/

    It was a lawyer’s festival
     
    Yes.


    and that’s all it was.
     
    No.

    Awaiting a more substantive response from you. I think the data above is sufficient response to: "the Canadian panel noted that the cardiovascular risks from rofecoxib seemed to be no worse than those from ibuprofen" which apparently said more about the competence of the Canadian panel than it did about reality.

    P.S. FWIW I would have been OK with a limited return of Vioxx with the risks well understood (I tend to believe in letting people make their own choices). I took it once and it was remarkably effective. I probably would not have taken it had the risks been known though.

    P.P.S. I notice your "few thousand" again. Trying to anchor people to that unsupported number is despicable.

    Replies: @utu, @Jack D

    In two Merck-sponsored randomised clinical trials,2,25 relative risks for acute myocardial infarction of 5 for high-dose rofecoxib and 2 for the standard dose were recorded. The background rate for acute myocardial infarction among control groups from studies of cardiovascular risk in NSAID users varied from 7·9 per 1000 person-years in CLASS1 to 12·4 per 1000 person-years in TennCare.

    If I am reading this correctly, for every 1,000 people taking the standard dose, 12.4 would have had a heart attack anyway and 14.4 of them actually did. (So 987.6 of the untreated and 985.6 of people taking it would either still be alive after a year or would have died from something else.) This doesn’t strike me as some kind of war crime by Merck. To prolong (for 1 year) the lives of 2 people, 1,000 people have to be in a lot more pain.

    The only reason this added up to a big # of deaths from a small additional risk is that this was a very effective and popular drug – they sold 100,000,000 prescriptions of it. 100 million times anything is going to be a big #. If you sell 100 million doses of bubble gum , a certain # of people are going to choke to death on it .

    • Replies: @res
    @Jack D

    Relative risk is typically expressed as a ratio. It is also called risk ratio.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_risk
    What you are thinking of is absolute risk. Conflating the two of those is a staple of both alarmists and minimalists regarding risk so your cynicism/confusion is understandable.

    That changes your numbers a fair bit (say 2-5x or so). I think it should change your conclusions as well, but that is up to you. Note the importance of differentiating high and low dose treatment.

    Really, Jack, these aren't small effects. I'm not sure where you got your background knowledge on this, but IMHO there is a significant issue here. That the article in question both:
    1. Eventually appeared in the Lancet (I suspect you know this is one of the most prestigious medical journals: http://www.thelancet.com/lancet/about ).
    2. Was fought tooth and nail along the way (see my shamefulness links).
    should tell you something.

    That Merck paid (or agreed to, I'm guessing some of this was reduced quietly later, but don't have details) all of:
    1. $253 million verdict (this along with many Merck wins led to settlement--because uncertainty): http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2006/06/16/lanier-enters-253-million-merck-vioxx-judgment-finally/
    2. $4.85 billion to settle the remaining 27,000 lawsuits: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/business/09merck.html (also see comments regarding $600 million annual legal fees, you were definitely right about it being a lawyer's festival)
    3. $830 million to settle the related shareholder lawsuit: https://www.wsj.com/articles/merck-to-pay-830-million-to-settle-vioxx-shareholder-suit-1452866882
    should also tell you something. Especially given how hard (impossible?) it is to establish a smoking gun causal link for any one case.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JohnnyWalker123

  98. @Glossy
    The English language isn’t very precise about relationships beyond the nuclear family because Anglo-Saxons were less interested in extended family than anybody else on earth.

    I don't think so. Scandinavians have the lowest rate of adults living with their parents, and are likely the most nuclear-family-oriented people overall. Germans and the Dutch are probably about as nuclear-family-oriented as the English.

    Replies: @Seth Largo

    That’s basically what he said, moran.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    @Seth Largo

    Steve said that Anglo-Saxons are less interested in extended families than anybody else on earth. That's false. In reality Scandinavians are less interested in extended familes than any other group on earth.

    Steve is smart, but he knows nothing of value, nothing beyond the most trivial, superficial stuff about any culture other than his own. And I don't blame him for that - it's un-American to be interested in such topics. What I blame him for is pretending to know.

    I remember him once speculating that Xi Jinpin's wife might have been a prostitute because she used to sing for Chinese troops. This would have been back in the 1980s. That's even funnier than this Anglo-Saxon stuff.

    Replies: @Jake

  99. @Anonym
    While white identity and pride are at a bit of a nadir, odds favor a resurgence. The old hushed-up bit of knowledge that anti-Semitism can be a glue that binds Jews together - well anti-Whitism also works this way on whites.

    A lot of white people are pretty calm and even-tempered until they snap. When we snap in an organized fashion, we get shit done.

    In any case, white people have done a lot of cool stuff throughout history. How can anyone not look upon the awesome things we have accomplished, the progress in every facet of human accomplishment and not feel a welling of pride within oneself? I certainly do, and there are loads of parents of white children who feel the same way, even if they aren't vocal about it yet.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @snorlax, @Thea, @MBlanc46, @Jeff77450

    Well said.

  100. @Yak-15
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/us/teen-ivy-league-trnd/index.html

    I cannot believe CNN runs with these stories still. It's never an Asian kid or a White but always a minority. At what point do people start seeing this as privilege?

    Replies: @anonymous, @Triumph104

    Yeah. You’d think that they (CNN) would get the message that people see thru this stuff. On the other hand, when you consider that the viewership that watches CNN is usually the same group that watches PBS NewsHour and listens to NPR, why should anyone be surprised?

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @anonymous

    CNN, NPR and that ilk seem to be practicing Journalisticism,. How many newsreaders can argue about finely parsed minutiae on the head of a pin.

  101. @Jack D
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Not sure what you accomplished there except convincing your neighbor that you are some kind of Nazi to be avoided. You really need to push the Overton Window an inch at a time - giant leaps aren't going to work on most people. First you gain acceptance for gays and THEN you go for trannies - if you jump right to trannies it's not going to work.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You’re a Nazi for routing for your own kind. Are Asians Nazis for routing for Lin? Are Jews Nazis for noticing and cheering on Jewish athletes?

    You may be right that we need to take small steps, but at some point, you have to say something. By your definition, even the smallest acknowledgement of being white and being marginally proud of that would cause people to think of you as a Nazi.

    But, again, perhaps you are right. Maybe we’re only at a point where pushing the idea that whites should be accepted a group, just like every other group is enough. No need to show pride in being white, just asking that we be acknowledged as a people.

  102. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, How sad is it that people actually thought Chef B's canned starch with ketchup was Italian food, but I did eat it at Boy Scout camp.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I don’t think those sneakers made me fly thru the air like Michael Jordan either, but that’s the nature of celebrity endorsement – you hope that a LITTLE bit of their magic will rub off on the product and you’ll get some of it by buying it.

    The only thing worse than “Spaghetti-o’s” is whatever WASPS put in a can before that – I don’t even know what that was. For you it was surely a big step down from your nona’s gravy but for them it was a step up from canned gruel.

  103. I am surprised that the NAACP hasn’t reversed the letters “CP” to the more currently acceptable “People of Color.” Particularly when you consider that the phrase “colored people” is considered in some circles to be nothing more than a sanitized version of the so-called “N word”.

  104. I get the point Steve is making re: phenotype vs. ancestry. Makes sense. But it seems only to apply to black ancestry, less so to white/Asian or white/Amerind mixes.

    Too lazy to dig it up, but there was a study recently showing that white/Amerind mixes (including many Hispanics) are far more likely to identify as white than Amerind. Hell, I’m 20% Amerind through my mother’s side, more native than half the Cherokee tribal rolls, but I’d never identify as such. Turns out Amerind phenotypes blend well into white phenotypes. Study said, if I remember, that you find people identifying consistently as Amerinds only if they’re native ancestry is in the 70% range. (I know we make fun of Jorge Ramos and Warrior Princess Xochitl Hinojosa on here, but odds are, they have a non-trivial Amerind ancestry.)

  105. Blacks have not yet figured out that they have an average IQ of 85 and whites have an average IQ of 100. So they like to blame their inferior genetic heritage on white people instead of blaming themselves for being so dumb.

  106. This is not an original thought, but it is astounding that when a minute percentage of African blood was enough to make you “black” and hence discriminated against, now you can claim blackness from an ever-diminishing percentage, even if you look white and were brought up in a white family.

  107. @syonredux
    A fine piece, Steve. Some observations:

    You inherit race, though…. We’re reminded of this once again by Rachel Dolezal, the white woman who made national headlines in 2015 for claiming a black identity because she felt like it…. She is the biological child of white parents….

     

    I'm continually amazed by the rage that Dolezal's adventures in trans-racialism have engendered in the Black community, especially among Black women. Some of that, no doubt, is due to sexual jealousy, as Dolezal (a White woman of mediocre appearance) made a very striking Black-ish woman.....But some of it, I'm sure, has to do with the fact that that the Black intelligentsia is, as a class, rather on the beige side of things. When you are in a room full of quadroons and octaroons who have attended WASPy prep schools and elite unis, doubts must enter the mind (What is Blackness? How Black am I compared to some gang-banger with a more anthracitic complexion?) Then the one drop rule comes to the rescue: "I am Black by virtue of Blood!" Sure, it's a retrograde, Hitlerian notion, but it's also deeply satisfying.....

    For my son, though, being black in America is about more than his skin color. It’s about power, confidence, culture and belonging…. That my son sees more power in centering his blackness over exploiting whatever white privilege he may ultimately be afforded is a thing of glory.

     

    Let's try inverting that:

    For my son, though, being White in America is about more than his skin color. It’s about power, confidence, culture and belonging…. That my son sees more power in centering his Whiteness over exploiting whatever Black privilege he may ultimately be afforded is a thing of glory.
     
    Nah.....no MSM publication would ever dare print something like that.....

    “If my parents had instilled any Italian culture in me, I might want to share that with my son. But if you’re talking about general whiteness, there’s nothing there to pass down.”

     

    MMM, let's see, "general whiteness"....that basically means Western Civilization, no? Quite a bit to pass down: Plato, Aristotle, the Norse Sagas, The Iliad & The Odyssey, Shakespeare, Gothic architecture, Beethoven, Wagner, Dante, ....

    Of course, we are not allowed to claim those things as belonging to us. No, we are supposed to see them as open to all......Meanwhile, Blacks, East Asians, Middle Eastern Muslims, and Latin Americans are allowed to point to various cultural achievements as their exclusive property....

    Replies: @Jack D, @Truth, @Stealth

    You are giving this woman’s hare brained rationalizations far too much credit as being actually worthy of point by point refutation. All that is going on is what Bin Laden saw – people instinctively want to back the strong horse and this woman perceives of black identity as being the strong horse in modern America. 70 years ago, she’d be getting her kid’s hair bleached and keeping him out of the sun and making up opposite theories and lies about how her grandpa was a Cherokee and had not a drop of Negro blood. People will spout all kinds of ex post facto BS to rationalize the choices that their lizard brains have made for them which usually have nothing to do with their actual motives.

    • Agree: utu
  108. One of my black co-workers thinks I don’t like most black people. And she is right.
    She was shocked when I said I was a fan of the black female singer Sade.
    I scored more than a few points with her for my praise of Sade.

  109. Blame white people. “Giving a certain race special privileges isn’t unfair because of history” is such a mind-numbingly dumb argument that it makes more sense to blame the victim. Like parking your car in the hood with the keys in the ignition.

  110. @Buffalo Joe
    My wife and I travelled into Buffalo on Sunday to stroll on Hertel Avenue, which is an old Italian/Jewish neighborhood that held some memories. Nice day, nice walk. We paused in front of a soon to open art gallery which displayed a collage of photographs of people holding signs that started with: "Knowing that..." There was a photo of a maybe three year old white boy, his face partially obscured by his placard. It said, "Knowing I am not special because I was born a white male." His mom had a chance to change her self hate three times. One, don't get pregnant. Two, abort your soon to be born white spawn. Three, don't mate with white men. There, I solved her problem with white privilege . Still, seething though.

    Replies: @Jack D

    How about, “Knowing that my mommy is an idiot because she makes me feel guilty about something that I was born with.”

    If this woman did something like this to a kid who was handicapped, the child protection people would find her and put her in jail for mentally abusing her child.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  111. @Old fogey
    @Bleuteaux

    If you are using a company device for your website reading and commenting you are definitely suicidal. If you are using your own device, likely not, I would think.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Even if he is using his own phone, if he is on company wifi then the company has every right to monitor the traffic. If he is using his own cellular data plan on his own phone then he MIGHT be OK but that’s the minimum I would do.

  112. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Jack D

    But what's in it for Assad? Last time there were allegations of a sarin attack he was only saved from being Gaddafi'd from the air* by the British Labour Party voting against David Cameron for party political reasons (to draw a line under the Blair days and to embarrass Cameron). Congress took their lead from the UK (not often I could write that) and Assad was subsequently saved by Russia.

    Assad isn't stupid, whatever else he may be, and he's now winning the war that the West/Gulf/Saudis fomented. Why should he want to tweak the lion's tail and put all that at risk?

    (And isn't there a very well-funded anti-Assad PR campaign spooning up news and interviewees to a press ever less capable of finding stuff out for themselves?)


    * and Syria becoming Libya "to the power of Iraq".

    Replies: @anarchyst, @Jack D

    I really can’t put myself in the head of a murderous dictator so I can’t tell you what he was thinking. Maybe he was thinking that Putin has his back so he can do whatever the hell he wants and he will get away with it and win the war sooner. That the Russians will sow disinformation and say that nothing at all happened and credulous Putinphiles in the West will buy into it (that part has come true already). When X has actually happened, then it is pointless to speculate that it was not in someone’s interest to do X so therefore it could not have happened – it already happened. People do things that are “unthinkable” and “out of character” and dumb all the time. People don’t always act in (your perception of) their own best interest.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Jack D

    "When X has actually happened, then it is pointless to speculate that it was not in someone’s interest to do X so therefore it could not have happened"

    But has X actually happened? It seems very hard to disentangle truth from propaganda out there, apart from noting that a lot of people are being hurt.

    "People do things that are “unthinkable” and “out of character” and dumb all the time."

    But people with those characteristics don't generally spend 20-odd years ruling one of the more fractious areas of the world.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Jack D, @snorlax

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Assad isn't fucking stupid and has no reason to *want* to gas anyone at all. It only helps his enemies, and helping your enemies is the West's forté. This is fucking shameful. If only Muslims weren't so stupid, they'd engage in targeted assassinations of Western leadership instead of senseless, indiscriminate killings of Western civilians. A genuine win-win.

  113. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonym

    I have a feeling that White Europeans will snap before we do. When they do finally snap, it'll also be quite hard. Of all the White Euro ethnic groups, the Germans may snap the hardest.

    This Syrian invasion is disastrous in the short term, but it's showing Europeans just how much immigration is destroying the fabric of their societies. The bad behavior of these refugees will act as a catalyst for the various right-wing nationalist parties.

    Here's a prediction. Within a decade, most of Europe will be under ethnonationalist governments.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jack D, @Olorin, @SMK, @SMK, @SMK

    According to Patrick Buchanan, the Germans snapped after Versailles.

    And look what it got them.

    What makes you think any other Euro pushback would fare differently?

    Candidate Trump said the mildest things about supporting heartland Americans, and that made him a Nazi Hitler HitlerNazi.

    Which I figured was just the Big Globo Powers That Be reminding everyone of what they are willing to do when white men rebel against their status as draft animals for the planet in the regime of currency-mediated priest-propagandized accountant-measured Sumerian rentier agriculturism/urbanization. (Reminder: Abraham was Sumerian.)

    Oh, and also civil warriors fighting one another for the banksters’ gain.

    The unspoken bit is that “nationalism” is a proxy for “genomism.” The left and the right alike have been stuffing the DNA genie back in the bottle since before we even know what DNA was, but since 24 November 1859 recognized what it could produce over expanses of time at the population level. (I figure it was the subtitle that got them with its bit about Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life. That rarely works out the way the merchants and bankers want it to here in the Ice Latitudes, or on salt water.)

  114. @Bleuteaux

    White elites are happy to promote black privilege because they don’t see many American blacks as being anything other than token competition for their children at getting the really good jobs.
     
    This is a perfect description of what is going on in Corporate America and what affirmative action hiring is all about. Upper class whites eliminating competition from the proletariat. They know that their beneficiaries will never actually challenge them.

    PS - Am I suicidal for reading/posting on Unz at work? Is anyone else doing this?

    Replies: @Old fogey, @Clark Westwood, @Buzz Mohawk, @Lugash, @Nico, @Thea

    I reccomend that you Don’t do it on a work owned computer or phone. But I used to years ago and never got in trouble. So ignore my advice if you must.

  115. @Jack D
    @Altai

    Just more Zionist neocon disinformation. All those corpses are faking being dead. Bashar Assad is really an awesome guy and would NEVER order a gas attack.

    Replies: @Altai, @Anonymous Nephew, @Thea

    Even if he did, how is worse than Bush or Netanyahu? Non murderous dictators don’t stay in power in the Middle East.

    Assad cares about those whom he considers to be his people. Replace him and you still continue the civil war perhaps with better but likely much worse leadership.

    Have you watched his interviews? Assad is intellegent. Much more so than Sadam or Kim Jung Il( whatever his name is)

  116. @Jack D
    @OilcanFloyd

    How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance?

    Yes, who could enjoy the insane squeaking or spastic movements of say, Michael Jackson or James Brown? No one.

    I have heard many stories of innocent white people, walking down the street and minding their own business when suddenly they were taken at gunpoint, dragged into a dark theatre and forced to watch Billy Madison from start to finish (including the coming attractions AND the credits). The same story is repeated over and over (sometimes it's Happy Gilmore or 50 First Dates, but otherwise the story is the same). This leads to lifelong trauma. In fact, many are in denial and would swear to you that they opened their wallets and voluntarily bought a ticket. But that is just because they have repressed the memory of their abductions.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Diversity Heretic, @Truth

    Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis, Ella Fitzgerald and Dionne Warwick wee genuinely good. It was, of course, a different era.

  117. Blacks: If they had any initiative and drive, they’d go back to Africa where their 10 point IQ advantage over their sub-Saharan brethren should have them running the whole place in a few years.

  118. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe,

    My apologies if my rant seemed directed at you. It wasn't.

    The iSteve crowd is a very impressive bunch, but we do suffer from being continually shocked by the fact that non-white people don't act and achieve like white people even as we openly discuss our genetic differences. (I'm just as guilty as the rest, btw.) It's odd.

    Racial and ethnic groups are different and probably shouldn't live together in large numbers. That's the harsh answer that we don't want to face because of what it implies. But the truth doesn't care whether we want to face it or not.

    I used to fear that the United States would end up as North Brazil, but now I'm beginning to wonder if that's the good scenario.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Diversity Heretic, @Flip

    South Africa is probably the bad, but increasingly likely scenario between 2075 and 2100.

  119. MB says: • Website

    The urbane Franklin, the most effective diplomat in American history, put on a facade for the French as a noble savage, a backwoods sage, Rousseau’s new, improved version of Voltaire.

    Nice piece, but surprised you didn’t run farther with this in light of the main theme, Steve.
    Rousseau’s noble savage has been updated and now minorities/blacks racists, much more the feminists, homosexuals and transgenders riding upon their coattails, are the new American ideal.

    Which is to say our guilty white liberal progressives/coercive criminal cognitive elite are more and more resembling modern Jacobins who will be content with nothing less than destroying the country, in their rage to deny reason, history, custom and common sense, if not reality, in order to create heaven on earth a social justice utopia.

    “You got problems with that, comrade?
    Step out of line, please and calmly follow the men with the badge and guns in white coats.
    They’ll tell you what to do.
    Next, please.”

  120. Another question – have any of the Jewish practitioners in the fraudulent ‘social science’ field of Boasian anthropology ever apologized to the American people for forcing Brown v. Board on unsuspecting white Christian schoolchildren?

    Their disproportionate influence did Soviet-tier damage to our country. SO MANY lives were damaged/probably ruined by forced busing, etc., etc., etc. It was Boasian Lysenko-ism at work in the ‘racist doll’ test that the Supreme Court used to render its affirmative ruling, and as a further twist of the knife, Boasian disciple Ruth Benedict’s falsities (lies) and propaganda regarding race were distributed to every classroom in America.

    We now reap the rotten fruit…

  121. res says:
    @Jack D
    @res


    In two Merck-sponsored randomised clinical trials,2,25 relative risks for acute myocardial infarction of 5 for high-dose rofecoxib and 2 for the standard dose were recorded. The background rate for acute myocardial infarction among control groups from studies of cardiovascular risk in NSAID users varied from 7·9 per 1000 person-years in CLASS1 to 12·4 per 1000 person-years in TennCare.
     
    If I am reading this correctly, for every 1,000 people taking the standard dose, 12.4 would have had a heart attack anyway and 14.4 of them actually did. (So 987.6 of the untreated and 985.6 of people taking it would either still be alive after a year or would have died from something else.) This doesn't strike me as some kind of war crime by Merck. To prolong (for 1 year) the lives of 2 people, 1,000 people have to be in a lot more pain.

    The only reason this added up to a big # of deaths from a small additional risk is that this was a very effective and popular drug - they sold 100,000,000 prescriptions of it. 100 million times anything is going to be a big #. If you sell 100 million doses of bubble gum , a certain # of people are going to choke to death on it .

    Replies: @res

    Relative risk is typically expressed as a ratio. It is also called risk ratio.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_risk
    What you are thinking of is absolute risk. Conflating the two of those is a staple of both alarmists and minimalists regarding risk so your cynicism/confusion is understandable.

    That changes your numbers a fair bit (say 2-5x or so). I think it should change your conclusions as well, but that is up to you. Note the importance of differentiating high and low dose treatment.

    Really, Jack, these aren’t small effects. I’m not sure where you got your background knowledge on this, but IMHO there is a significant issue here. That the article in question both:
    1. Eventually appeared in the Lancet (I suspect you know this is one of the most prestigious medical journals: http://www.thelancet.com/lancet/about ).
    2. Was fought tooth and nail along the way (see my shamefulness links).
    should tell you something.

    That Merck paid (or agreed to, I’m guessing some of this was reduced quietly later, but don’t have details) all of:
    1. $253 million verdict (this along with many Merck wins led to settlement–because uncertainty): http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2006/06/16/lanier-enters-253-million-merck-vioxx-judgment-finally/
    2. $4.85 billion to settle the remaining 27,000 lawsuits: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/business/09merck.html (also see comments regarding $600 million annual legal fees, you were definitely right about it being a lawyer’s festival)
    3. $830 million to settle the related shareholder lawsuit: https://www.wsj.com/articles/merck-to-pay-830-million-to-settle-vioxx-shareholder-suit-1452866882
    should also tell you something. Especially given how hard (impossible?) it is to establish a smoking gun causal link for any one case.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @res

    Sorry I misread the original - I thought they were giving events/thousand which is what they shift to in the next sentence.

    Once you start losing lawsuits and juries start giving out verdicts in the millions each for a drug that has been prescribed hundreds of million of times to an elderly population who are sure to die like flies (and every heart attack is another potential multimillion $ claim because it MIGHT have been caused by your drug) then at that point you have no choice but to throw in the towel and settle before the liability completely destroys your business. Unless you settle, the product liability vampires will not rest until you have been bled completely dry. Your choice is to give them several pints all at once and end the pain or die the death of a thousand cuts.

    Replies: @res, @Buffalo Joe

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @res

    Good comments on Vioxx.

  122. @Lugash
    @Bleuteaux

    Yes, you're suicidal for reading Unz or anything else alt-Right at work. If it's your own device you'd a) better not be using corporate wifi b) better not be using Android as it's almost certain that at least one app is sniffing your traffic c) better be using Tor, as Trump and Congress have seen fit to allow your browsing history(and all network traffic) to be sold.

    And to edit d) You run the risk of having someone shoulder surf what you're browsing.

    Replies: @Clark Westwood, @Truth

    Yes, you’re suicidal for reading Unz or anything else alt-Right at work.

    Well, you know what they say: In every suicide, there’s an element of revenge.

  123. SMK says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonym

    I have a feeling that White Europeans will snap before we do. When they do finally snap, it'll also be quite hard. Of all the White Euro ethnic groups, the Germans may snap the hardest.

    This Syrian invasion is disastrous in the short term, but it's showing Europeans just how much immigration is destroying the fabric of their societies. The bad behavior of these refugees will act as a catalyst for the various right-wing nationalist parties.

    Here's a prediction. Within a decade, most of Europe will be under ethnonationalist governments.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jack D, @Olorin, @SMK, @SMK, @SMK

    Within a decade or two, ethnonationalists in Germany, France, Sweden, England, Holland, and other nations in Western as opposed to Eastern Europe -myriads of people, including politicians, who oppose Muslim and black immigration and criticize and tell the truth about black crime and Muslim crime and terrorism and the like- will be in prison for violating “hate-speech” laws.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @SMK

    When the establishment is strong, you can do that. When the establishment finally collapses, as it will do, then it can't contain these ethno-nationalist forces anymore. For better and worse, I see a lot of countries going through immense turmoil in the future due to debt crises, robots automating away human jobs, and exploding ethnic tensions.


    In France, even if all Muslim immigration were ended tomorrow -which will never happen, of course, since anti-white leftists control almost everything- the nation would be destined to become a Muslim-majority hell-hole given the disparate birthrates between French (alarmingly below the replacement level of 2.1 children per woman) and Muslim women.
     
    There's going to need to be mass expulsions of Muslims from Western Europe. Alternative, there could be a cutback in the welfare state, which would send their birthrates plummeting.
  124. @JohnnyWalker123

    Because their population was limited while their continent was not, Franklin observed in 1754, Americans could afford to live large.
    Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden. Perhaps not surprisingly, each year tens of thousands of Americans brought up on Franklin’s more expansive American dream are giving up and dropping dead.
     
    Are Appalachians giving up because of mass immigration and high land prices? Is McDowell County plagued by immigration and unaffordable housing?

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors.

    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role "pill mill" doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the "War on Terror," which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    The Anglosphere and Europe haven't seen the same fall in life expectancy, despite also being hit hard by immigration and falling prospects for blue collar workers. The declining standard of living matters, but so do all of the above factors (most of which aren't present in those other countries).

    I actually find it remarkable that so many posters here don't even discuss any of the above factors. I don't know why. I suppose it's because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for "Big Government Socialism."

    When the New York Times doesn't mention the role immigration plays in falling wages, that's strange. When conservatives here don't mention the role that Big Pharma played in the White Death, that's also very strange. A lot of people are willfully ignorant and refuse to criticize what they hold sacred. For liberals, they hold minorities and immigrants as sacred, which makes non-whites exempt from critique. For conservatives, they hold big business and "small govt" as sacred, so they don't want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

    It's also interesting to see who gets to be the default bogeyman. For the left, the default bogeyman is straight white men. Anytime something goes wrong in the lives of minorities or women, straight white men are somehow to blame.

    When the white death was discussed, a lot of the conservatives here automatically blamed feminists, cultural relativists, anti-white liberals, and gays. Someone here even blamed abusive black boyfriends. Apparently, West Virginia has lots of abusive black boyfriends. Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren't seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc. None of these posters even noticed that culturally conservative Utah has experienced the White Death.

    When people have a default bogeyman, sometimes they don't let facts or reasoning get in the way.

    It wouldn't kill the NY Times to once in a while mention that immigration is lowering the standard of living in America. It wouldn't kill some of you to mention that term "Big Pharma."

    By the way, a few years ago, Ron Unz wrote an excellent article on Vioxx. Apparently, Vioxx killed several hundred thousand Americans and the govt and media didn't notice. Interestingly, when Ron wrote that article, some of the posters here went out of their way to defend....... the drugmaker.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Ron estimated 500,000 premature deaths due to Vioxx. For some reason, people here don't talk much about that article. The Vioxx death total is roughly 150x the 9/11 death total, but doesn't get mentioned much here or anywhere else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jack D, @bomag, @Thea, @utu, @Federalist, @anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Das, @Jake

    People who take drugs are to blame for their problems. The negative effects are universally known. If they choose to ignore this then they take responsibility for the results. You could fill my swimming pool with opiates and I would not be tempted to try even one pill.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @anon

    People who didn't go to medical school are to blame for their problems. The negative effects of not having a medical degree are universally known. If they choose to ignore this then they take responsibility for the results. You could flood my neighborhood with foreign low-wage workers and I would still always have a job.

    These are the type of posts that I find utterly remarkable. There are people here who worship big business to the same bizarre extent the liberals worship minorities.

    People here can mock the left for their blind spot on immigration, but I think a lot of conservatives are equally mockable.

    If Big Pharma kills hundreds of thousands of Americans, we must not criticize them. Because free-market.

    Actually, if Big Pharma kills hundreds of thousands, we should actually defend them. America has socialist privilege. Socialists are somehow responsible for this. I don't have any sensible theory that connects socialism with the opioid epidemic, but that doesn't matter. Just remember 3 things. 1.) Free-market good, socialists bad. 2.) Socialists are responsible for everything that goes wrong in America. 3.) If Big Pharma was less than perfect, socialists somehow did that.

    Replace [Big Pharma] with [minorities]. Replace [socialists] with [white males]. You could be reading a NYTimes article.

  125. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The problem is not living large.

    US still has tons of open spaces, and for most people, space is not the problem.

    It is lack of depth.

    Look at most middle class homes after WWII, and people today would find them small, cramped, and crappy. And urban dwellers, native folks and immigrants, used to live in crammed tenement buildings. But people had meaningful lives back then.

    Also, there was a time when people strove for more freedom for noble ends. So, freedom was not something to be wasted on self-indulgence. It should be valued as something earned through work, struggle, and progress. So, one should be mindful with freedom. But pop culture hedonism and radical subversive ideologies encouraged misuse of freedom to indulge in self fantasy.

    So, things began to change in hearts and souls. White folks got cut off from their history, culture, identity, and spiritual roots. They indulged in pop culture. Women got jobs and use income to have loose sex. Men never grew up and got stuck in teen-phase. Churches closed, and ones remaining open catered to fruits or babytalk.

    Also, black crime(due to more integration) and black culture are corrosive. And it went from good stuff like 60s soul to rap crap that is really ugly and tarded.

    Whites and many others forgot how to live deep.

    Also, even though US had more open space long ago, there was so much work to be done to build churches, towns, roads, schools, and etc. It was work from sunrise to sunset for man, woman, and kids. It’s like the family in SHANE. Work, work, and work.
    Also, the idea of ‘living large’ was restrained by Protestant Work Ethic and social-moral ethos that looked down on excess and indulgence. There was that Little House on Prairie and Waltons thing.

    But with rise of prosperity and hedonism, people just got sloppy and indulgent since the 60s. Now, some people did maintain discipline and focus, and they’ve done very well. There is the upper middle class and elites who are doing great economically.
    But the hoi polloi have been allowed to wallow in filth without shame or self-restraint. Result is pretty dire.

  126. @Jack D
    @Anonymous Nephew

    I really can't put myself in the head of a murderous dictator so I can't tell you what he was thinking. Maybe he was thinking that Putin has his back so he can do whatever the hell he wants and he will get away with it and win the war sooner. That the Russians will sow disinformation and say that nothing at all happened and credulous Putinphiles in the West will buy into it (that part has come true already). When X has actually happened, then it is pointless to speculate that it was not in someone's interest to do X so therefore it could not have happened - it already happened. People do things that are "unthinkable" and "out of character" and dumb all the time. People don't always act in (your perception of) their own best interest.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Anonymous

    “When X has actually happened, then it is pointless to speculate that it was not in someone’s interest to do X so therefore it could not have happened”

    But has X actually happened? It seems very hard to disentangle truth from propaganda out there, apart from noting that a lot of people are being hurt.

    “People do things that are “unthinkable” and “out of character” and dumb all the time.”

    But people with those characteristics don’t generally spend 20-odd years ruling one of the more fractious areas of the world.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Anonymous Nephew


    But people with those characteristics don’t generally spend 20-odd years ruling one of the more fractious areas of the world.
     
    Saddam certainly did. In fact, the Middle East is full of dumb dictators who do unthinkable things, which is why those without oil are generally dirt-poor, despite their close proximity to the wealthy European markets. They are good at suppressing rebels within their nations. What they have no control over is the reaction of the outside world. The West has always had the ability to remove Middle Eastern rulers by putting its thumb on the scale in favor of their opponents.

    In Assad's case, he has to suppress the opposition in the shortest time possible while not giving the West a reason to move against him (i.e. by using poison gas). The two things were just incompatible. The estimate is that he has lost 100K dead Alawite soldiers to the civil war. There are about 2.5m Alawites in Syria. That's 4% of his support base dead, or double the rate of the American Civil War. If we had lost 4% of our population in WWII, that would have meant 5.6m American dead instead of 400K. Assad is at the end of his tether. If he did this, it's likely out of necessity (to end the war quickly) rather than stupidity.

    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Saddam Hussein was the wily dictator of Iraq for 23 years . And then he was executed.

    Quadaffy was the clever dictator of Libya for 41 years. And then he was executed.

    That's the thing about being an evil dictator - you have to win every single time.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    , @snorlax
    @Anonymous Nephew

    The thing about Middle Eastern governments, even when brutal, is that the central authority is pretty weak. Everyone (who has access to weapons/funds) pretty much does their own thing. And Assad's government is all the weaker and more disorganized after 5 years of civil war. I doubt that Assad personally ordered this latest gas attack; it was probably some mid-level officer who made the call and didn't clear it with the higher-ups. Syria is the epicenter of ISIS — its people are not exactly number one in rationality.

  127. WaPo, 04/05/17 – Former Oklahoma football player accused of prostituting ex-Sooners cheerleader

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/04/05/former-oklahoma-football-player-accused-of-prostituting-ex-sooners-cheerleader/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_1_na&utm_term=.77c921fac616

    White death. With pics…

    A former Oklahoma football player and a woman who used to be a cheerleader for the school were arrested last week in a prostitution sting operation…

    Micah Madison Parker, 23, was arrested at an Oklahoma City hotel after arranging to meet a man who turned out to be an undercover officer through a website, backpage.com. She “agreed to provide him sexual intercourse for $200″…

    Officers subsequently used “social media and jail calls” to identify Lawrence Charles “L.J.” Moore as her “pimp,” and he was arrested while trying to pick up a car belonging to Parker that was parked near the hotel. Moore, 22, played sparingly for Oklahoma as a freshman defensive back in 2013 before leaving the program, and Parker was a Sooners cheerleader the same year…

  128. Anonymous [AKA "Strange new respect for the Weather Underground"] says:
    @Jack D
    @Anonymous Nephew

    I really can't put myself in the head of a murderous dictator so I can't tell you what he was thinking. Maybe he was thinking that Putin has his back so he can do whatever the hell he wants and he will get away with it and win the war sooner. That the Russians will sow disinformation and say that nothing at all happened and credulous Putinphiles in the West will buy into it (that part has come true already). When X has actually happened, then it is pointless to speculate that it was not in someone's interest to do X so therefore it could not have happened - it already happened. People do things that are "unthinkable" and "out of character" and dumb all the time. People don't always act in (your perception of) their own best interest.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Anonymous

    Assad isn’t fucking stupid and has no reason to *want* to gas anyone at all. It only helps his enemies, and helping your enemies is the West’s forté. This is fucking shameful. If only Muslims weren’t so stupid, they’d engage in targeted assassinations of Western leadership instead of senseless, indiscriminate killings of Western civilians. A genuine win-win.

  129. @OilcanFloyd
    @Jack D

    There's a huge amount of virtue signaling involved when whites claim to love James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, blues, Motown, Jazz, Micheal Jackson, Soul Train, Ella Fitzgerald, etc. That's all just filler music, like when you hear "Super Freak" in the grocery store and every public gathering.

    I guess I should have specified that I meant the true garbage like rap and Beyonce that whites know they are supposed to like, or else. That crap is literally hand-picked and forced on the nation. Remember how MTV changed in the 1990s? It was consumer driven at first.

    Of course, Hollywood forces an agenda, and people watch because they like going to the movies, and that's what's available. Just look at the number of Holocaust movies/miniseries if you think that Hollywood is consumer driven. Who on earth likes that depressing garbage, which also has absolutely nothing to do with the American experience? Don't see a whole lot of movies about Unit 731 or the rape of Nanking, which would be far more interesting.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Don’t see a whole lot of movies about Unit 731 or the rape of Nanking, which would be far more interesting.

    The Japanese killed for a fairly traditional reason – to enforce their writ, by cowing any potential opposition, and in numbers that were fairly moderate relative to historical numbers in both absolute and percentage terms. The Nazis murdered millions on the basis of the idea that some ethnicities would never be loyal to the Reich and even if they were, the Reich did not want these trash ethnicities, anyway, and the best way to deal with this issue was to kill them all. Traditional empire-builders have considered their newly-conquered subjects to be barbarians that, while inferior, could be brought into the embrace of civilization and remade into loyal subjects via careful tutelage.

    The Japanese did in Asia what various daimyos had done in the run-up to the unification of Japan, and what rulers around the world (including all over Asia) have done to secure their territorial conquests. Even Genghis Khan killed only to cow potential opposition, and his soldiers and administrators included every ethnicity and religious faith in his empire. Hitler was the first large-scale empire builder to decide that surrendered peoples of the wrong ethnic type had to be killed to the last man, woman and child. His wickedness (and stupidity, from a strategic standpoint) is fairly unique, which is why there is so much written about him.

  130. The caste system we’ve set up for the trash of humanity will not work out well for our nation.

  131. @Thea
    @Anonym

    I think we will go the way of the wooly mammoth by 2200. Maybe the Slavs will still be here but I see zero reason for optimism about a white awakening.

    Femenism has turned too many into mulatto producers. This has a chain reaction on the rest of the family and prevents others whites from going to far.

    Replies: @Anonym

    I think we will go the way of the wooly mammoth by 2200. Maybe the Slavs will still be here but I see zero reason for optimism about a white awakening.

    It’s important to look at historical time scales, look at what sort of things we have done throughout history (the DNA is mostly the same), and look for indicators of rates of change.

    We have at various times been extremely ethnocentric. We have waged wars of conquest and engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing (like every other race/ethnic group of sufficient size and scope). We have done so in an organized fashion. We have overthrown oppressive regimes. We have fought against all odds and won.

    Not every family has members who outbreed. Not everyone has the inclination to outbreed. Some have a strong inclination not to outbreed. Willingness to outbreed is being boiled off the white genome at a fairly rapid rate. The core is becoming more ethnocentric by default, even in an environment of 24/7 anti-White pro-miscegenation propaganda. When we fight for and win the right to our own programming, freedom of speech in countries without it and freedom of association… the pendulum is going to swing the other way, hard.

    Usually in the mathematical world, when things reach as low as the can go, the only possibility is to bounce back. While I certainly bemoan the fact we are a global minority, we are still a major racial group in size. So even with all the outbreeding, the remnant is still going to be a big population.

    Now the rates of change. I have been following comments sections since there were comments sections on the internet. Way back when, practically no one was at all fashy. You had to phrase your sentiments very carefully to get past the moderation in most cases. (I suspect that Hasbara tried for a while to be fake neo-nazis, saying highly objectionable stuff designed to turn off randoms, with obvious imagery. Then they stopped because they realized it was pointless, they were getting lost in a swarm. And maybe some of them were being converted by us.)

    Well, fast forward to 2017. At many times, the NYT reader’s picks are on our side. The NYT! We have elected Trump and passed Brexit. Most comment sections have closed down because TPTB can’t handle the fashy content. R/alt-right gets shoahed, and what happens? Well, some went to voat’s identitarian, and a large number it appears just went back into the_donald and continued commenting there in a partially crypto fashion. Breitbart went from nothing to a counterweight that helped swing an election.

    The thing to realize about the meme wars, the online wars, is that opinions can be changed but once someone goes pro-white, they generally stay that way. Once someone has been red pilled, the blue pills don’t work any more. The beauty is that they can shut us up but they don’t generally kill us. They can’t stop us reproducing with other white people and breeding at well above replacement levels. Mathematically, the odds are stacked in our favor.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Anonym

    Thanks, I'm just very despairing right now for several reason including Trumps full cuck this week.

    I think I will print out some Amren fliers to leave at my Uni library to make myself feel a little better. Like maybe one young person will wake up. Tim Wise spoke here last semester. Very depressing

  132. • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Joe Sweet

    Thanks, I'll post.

  133. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe,

    My apologies if my rant seemed directed at you. It wasn't.

    The iSteve crowd is a very impressive bunch, but we do suffer from being continually shocked by the fact that non-white people don't act and achieve like white people even as we openly discuss our genetic differences. (I'm just as guilty as the rest, btw.) It's odd.

    Racial and ethnic groups are different and probably shouldn't live together in large numbers. That's the harsh answer that we don't want to face because of what it implies. But the truth doesn't care whether we want to face it or not.

    I used to fear that the United States would end up as North Brazil, but now I'm beginning to wonder if that's the good scenario.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Diversity Heretic, @Flip

    I think the US is clearly becoming North Brazil with a European/Jewish/Asian upper class, a mixed middle class and a colored lower class. We have more corruption, less rule of law, and a less cohesive society due to the racial differences. And coming soon, a much weaker currency and high inflation due to poor governmental finances. We may even have our own black favelas in the big cities after the money runs out.

  134. The ongoing flight from white helps those blacks who are almost but not quite white, such as former national security adviser Susan Rice

    Almost but not quite white? Steve you are losing your mind.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Truth


    The ongoing flight from white helps those blacks who are almost but not quite white, such as former national security adviser Susan Rice

    Almost but not quite white? Steve you are losing your mind.
     
    Closer to White than Black, dear fellow......

    And her daughter is even closer:

    http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/President+Obama+Pardons+National+Thanksgiving+sB1dciswqQgx.jpg

    Replies: @Truth

  135. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Progs have no problem with individual differences but have big trouble with group differences.

    So, if someone says Mike Tyson and Justin Bieber are different in many ways, all would agree. They are different individuals.

    Now, suppose someone clones Mike Tyson and makes a 1000 of them. He also clones Justin Bieber and makes 1000 of him.

    Did we go from validity of individual differences to validity of group differences?
    The Tysons are different as a group from the Biebers.

    Of course, people of a race are not clones of one another. Still, they are sorta like rough-clones because they share much of the DNA that evolved to become distinct from the DNA of other groups.

    So, if we grab a bunch of average whites and a bunch of average blacks, whites will have more in common with one another and blacks will have more in common with one another.

    Anyway, the Tyson-Bieber Experiment proves that group differences can exist.
    Just multiply the traits of the individual and create a group. That group will surely differ from another group with different DNA basis.

  136. @res
    @Jack D

    Relative risk is typically expressed as a ratio. It is also called risk ratio.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_risk
    What you are thinking of is absolute risk. Conflating the two of those is a staple of both alarmists and minimalists regarding risk so your cynicism/confusion is understandable.

    That changes your numbers a fair bit (say 2-5x or so). I think it should change your conclusions as well, but that is up to you. Note the importance of differentiating high and low dose treatment.

    Really, Jack, these aren't small effects. I'm not sure where you got your background knowledge on this, but IMHO there is a significant issue here. That the article in question both:
    1. Eventually appeared in the Lancet (I suspect you know this is one of the most prestigious medical journals: http://www.thelancet.com/lancet/about ).
    2. Was fought tooth and nail along the way (see my shamefulness links).
    should tell you something.

    That Merck paid (or agreed to, I'm guessing some of this was reduced quietly later, but don't have details) all of:
    1. $253 million verdict (this along with many Merck wins led to settlement--because uncertainty): http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2006/06/16/lanier-enters-253-million-merck-vioxx-judgment-finally/
    2. $4.85 billion to settle the remaining 27,000 lawsuits: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/business/09merck.html (also see comments regarding $600 million annual legal fees, you were definitely right about it being a lawyer's festival)
    3. $830 million to settle the related shareholder lawsuit: https://www.wsj.com/articles/merck-to-pay-830-million-to-settle-vioxx-shareholder-suit-1452866882
    should also tell you something. Especially given how hard (impossible?) it is to establish a smoking gun causal link for any one case.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JohnnyWalker123

    Sorry I misread the original – I thought they were giving events/thousand which is what they shift to in the next sentence.

    Once you start losing lawsuits and juries start giving out verdicts in the millions each for a drug that has been prescribed hundreds of million of times to an elderly population who are sure to die like flies (and every heart attack is another potential multimillion $ claim because it MIGHT have been caused by your drug) then at that point you have no choice but to throw in the towel and settle before the liability completely destroys your business. Unless you settle, the product liability vampires will not rest until you have been bled completely dry. Your choice is to give them several pints all at once and end the pain or die the death of a thousand cuts.

    • Replies: @res
    @Jack D

    You make a good point about the way settling works in practice. In this case I think they got it right though. It looks like Vioxx really did significantly increase heart attacks and cardiac death, and I think it's hard to argue that the behavior of either Merck or the FDA through all of this was acceptable. Just because it is (probably) impossible to definitively tie any single death to Vioxx does not mean Merck should not have faced consequences. That said, the lottery ticket aspect of this (some get millions while others just get death, and the lawyers get rich) bothers me and I agree the problem of marginal cases resulting in death of a thousand cuts is an issue. As much as our legal system annoys me at times I'm not sure there are any better examples out there though.

    The sad part is that even with a multi-billion dollar settlement and the other costs I think Merck still made a profit on Vioxx overall (perhaps not if including the hard to quantify reputation hit). I think we both know what that implies for next time.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, trolling lawyers had a hot-line...1-800-BAD DRUG.

  137. @OilcanFloyd
    "African-American culture is spectacularly successful at producing sports and entertainment celebrities, but depressingly dysfunctional at uplifting the black masses and making them competitive. Therefore, despite growing demand for African-Americans to fill set-aside jobs, ever fewer typical black Americans are up to the minimum demands of analytical jobs."

    I think blacks view sports and entertainment as set-asides for blacks, and many white elites apparently think the same way. How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance? Black entertainers are forced on white America like Holocaust or Adam Sandler movies. Outside of superstar positions in sports, many black role-players could easily be replaced by whites, but that doesn't fit the apparent script. More whites would likely develop into superstar athletes if there were more white role players.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Coemgen, @Truth

    How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance?

    Why I’d say somewhere between 0 and 5.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Truth

    Well, not rap or hip hop, but people like the Drifters, Temptations, and Stevie Wonder are pretty entertaining.

    , @E. Rekshun
    @Truth

    As a teenage boy, I enjoyed watch Lola Falana and Tina Turner dance.

    Replies: @Whoever

  138. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Buffalo Joe

    You don't have an answer because there is no answer. Blacks on average are less intelligent and have different behavioral traits than whites. They AREN'T white people. Stop asking them to be black-faced versions of us. It's impossible.

    Almost impossibly, whites combine racial arrogance (we expect all other races to act and achieve exactly as we do because we're the pinnacle of human evolution) and racial masochism (many of us get some bizarre pleasure from denigrating our people).

    We sit here day after day complaining about and being shocked about how blacks, Asians, Mestizos, etc. don't achieve and behave just like white people. No fucking kidding. We're different breeds of dogs. Why would you expect a Chihuahua to act and perform the same as a St. Bernard.

    Let blacks be blacks and Asians be Asians, etc. Why do so many white have this need to push our ways onto others and then worry when they don't play by our rules. Hell, we even get bitter when Asians overachieve. "Those Asians are studying too much. That's not how we envisioned the SAT to work. You weren't supposed to study for it." Wrong! We designed the system for whites and our biology/culture. Asians are just doing what they do. Stop asking them to be white.

    This is why ethnic nationalism works. Create your little corner of the world and create a system that works for YOUR people and leave others alone.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Truth

    Hey that’s a pretty good reply ole’ buddy.

  139. @Jake
    I see this as one of Steve Sailer's handful of very most important articles, and that is saying a great deal.

    The Walter White reference is most insightful. He is the best film presentation of the middle American white guy who realizes at some point that the 'system' of Liberal America hasn't just been pissing on his leg while assuring him it was raining; the Liberal system has been forcing him to wallow through feces: for which the system taxes him while reminding him he has it easy because of white privilege. White is much smarter and harder working than virtually everyone, and he is stuck at a poor paying job for which he is grossly over-qualified after getting cheated by a pair of Jews who then became at least multi-millionaires.

    Being the good sport even when getting cheated, whether by Jews or blacks or Asians or Moslems or gays or WASP Elites, is the normal pattern for 'white' guys. We suck it up and avoid going rogue on the lying, cheating trash. A series of events trigger White to 'get even.'

    The show ended with White acknowledging that he loved doing what he had done. I think he loved it for two reasons that for him became necessarily entwined: his intellect was properly challenged AND rewarded. For the first time since grad schools days before the two Jews cheated him and then got filthy rich, Walter White was allowed to prove his intellectual superiority and work ethic. He was not held down by white guilt over Jews or blacks, nor by Affirmative Action.

    In the 'Old America,' Walter White would have been allowed, would have been encouraged, to fight hard to succeed. And he easily could have become one the 'dead white men' enlightened Liberals demand we all hate. Instead, Walter White boiled over.

    Replies: @Truth, @Ivy

    The Walter White reference is most insightful. He is the best film presentation of the middle American white guy who realizes at some point that the ‘system’ of Liberal America hasn’t just been pissing on his leg while assuring him it was raining; the Liberal system has been forcing him to wallow through feces: for which the system taxes him while reminding him he has it easy because of white privilege.

    So he starts making illegal and addictive drugs…

  140. @JohnnyWalker123

    Because their population was limited while their continent was not, Franklin observed in 1754, Americans could afford to live large.
    Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden. Perhaps not surprisingly, each year tens of thousands of Americans brought up on Franklin’s more expansive American dream are giving up and dropping dead.
     
    Are Appalachians giving up because of mass immigration and high land prices? Is McDowell County plagued by immigration and unaffordable housing?

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors.

    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role "pill mill" doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the "War on Terror," which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    The Anglosphere and Europe haven't seen the same fall in life expectancy, despite also being hit hard by immigration and falling prospects for blue collar workers. The declining standard of living matters, but so do all of the above factors (most of which aren't present in those other countries).

    I actually find it remarkable that so many posters here don't even discuss any of the above factors. I don't know why. I suppose it's because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for "Big Government Socialism."

    When the New York Times doesn't mention the role immigration plays in falling wages, that's strange. When conservatives here don't mention the role that Big Pharma played in the White Death, that's also very strange. A lot of people are willfully ignorant and refuse to criticize what they hold sacred. For liberals, they hold minorities and immigrants as sacred, which makes non-whites exempt from critique. For conservatives, they hold big business and "small govt" as sacred, so they don't want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

    It's also interesting to see who gets to be the default bogeyman. For the left, the default bogeyman is straight white men. Anytime something goes wrong in the lives of minorities or women, straight white men are somehow to blame.

    When the white death was discussed, a lot of the conservatives here automatically blamed feminists, cultural relativists, anti-white liberals, and gays. Someone here even blamed abusive black boyfriends. Apparently, West Virginia has lots of abusive black boyfriends. Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren't seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc. None of these posters even noticed that culturally conservative Utah has experienced the White Death.

    When people have a default bogeyman, sometimes they don't let facts or reasoning get in the way.

    It wouldn't kill the NY Times to once in a while mention that immigration is lowering the standard of living in America. It wouldn't kill some of you to mention that term "Big Pharma."

    By the way, a few years ago, Ron Unz wrote an excellent article on Vioxx. Apparently, Vioxx killed several hundred thousand Americans and the govt and media didn't notice. Interestingly, when Ron wrote that article, some of the posters here went out of their way to defend....... the drugmaker.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Ron estimated 500,000 premature deaths due to Vioxx. For some reason, people here don't talk much about that article. The Vioxx death total is roughly 150x the 9/11 death total, but doesn't get mentioned much here or anywhere else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jack D, @bomag, @Thea, @utu, @Federalist, @anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Das, @Jake

    I’ve never seen opioids advertised directly to the public nor heard of opioids being promoted to doctors by sales reps. Their mechanism of action, benefits, and proper uses are relatively well-understood by the medical community, so there’s not so much room for manipulation. Opioids are controlled substances requiring a prescription to get legally. I don’t see much of a role for Big Pharma in the White Death epidemic, despite their being despicable for others things.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Chrisnonymous

    Americans are 5% of the world's population and consume 80% of the world's opioids.


    Americans are in more pain than any other population around the world. At least, that's the conclusion that can be drawn from one startling number from recent years: Approximately 80 percent of the global opioid supply is consumed in the United States.

    Pain drugs are the second-largest pharmaceutical class globally, after cancer medicines. "There was about 300 million pain prescriptions written in 2015," Irina Koffler, senior analyst, specialty pharma, Mizuho Securities USA, told CNBC.

    The 300 million pain prescriptions equal a $24 billion market, Koffler said, but it's not a market evenly divided around the globe. Rampant use of opioids in the United States, which represents only 5 percent of the global population, points to a larger divide between affluent nations and the rest of the world when it comes to prescription painkillers.
     
    Big Pharma hired 1,300 lobbyists to fight limitation on painkillers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPDZRTp_2A

    Big Pharma bribed docs too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U80q3AISReI

    Replies: @Opie, @Chrisnonymous

  141. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    White identity has taken a massive beating, and it may be dead, but I'll give it my best shot. Even little things count.

    The other day when a neighbor was talking about the NCAA tournament, I said that I don't normally care because it's a bunch of kids who don't belong anywhere near a college campus, but that this year, I was routing for one team. Which one? Mt. St. Mary's of course. "Why?" he asked. I gave him a quizzical look said, "Because they're white. Why wouldn't I cheer for my own. Same as Asians rout for Jeremy Lin."

    He gave me a somewhat shocked, slightly disgusted look and switched to another subject. Pretty sure that I didn't win over a convert but I did something just as important. I let people know that there are whites who are normal and are willing to show pride in their own people. Most whites are too far gone. My hope is that 10 or 20 percent of whites are willing to bit by bit band together.

    It'll take time, and we'll probably fail (heck, look at California and Texas, you don't see white identity blooming there despite the demographic changes), but I can't imagine a better lost cause to fight for.

    Steve believes in Citizenism, similar to Trump's nationalism. I just don't see how that works. At its core Citizenism is still a Proposition Nation, and I just don't think a Proposition Nation can stand up in the face of tribal thinkers such as the Jews and Asians.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Truth, @Jake

    The other day when a neighbor was talking about the NCAA tournament, I said that I don’t normally care because it’s a bunch of kids who don’t belong anywhere near a college campus, but that this year, I was routing for one team. Which one? Mt. St. Mary’s of course. “Why?” he asked. I gave him a quizzical look said, “Because they’re white.

    Dude, my heart truly goes out to the WN who roots on basketball by way of race. That has to be year-in-and-year-out, almost-inevitable torture.

    It would be like me rooting for the one little black boy in a 4th grade, “who can sit still the longest” contest.

  142. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Jack D

    "When X has actually happened, then it is pointless to speculate that it was not in someone’s interest to do X so therefore it could not have happened"

    But has X actually happened? It seems very hard to disentangle truth from propaganda out there, apart from noting that a lot of people are being hurt.

    "People do things that are “unthinkable” and “out of character” and dumb all the time."

    But people with those characteristics don't generally spend 20-odd years ruling one of the more fractious areas of the world.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Jack D, @snorlax

    But people with those characteristics don’t generally spend 20-odd years ruling one of the more fractious areas of the world.

    Saddam certainly did. In fact, the Middle East is full of dumb dictators who do unthinkable things, which is why those without oil are generally dirt-poor, despite their close proximity to the wealthy European markets. They are good at suppressing rebels within their nations. What they have no control over is the reaction of the outside world. The West has always had the ability to remove Middle Eastern rulers by putting its thumb on the scale in favor of their opponents.

    In Assad’s case, he has to suppress the opposition in the shortest time possible while not giving the West a reason to move against him (i.e. by using poison gas). The two things were just incompatible. The estimate is that he has lost 100K dead Alawite soldiers to the civil war. There are about 2.5m Alawites in Syria. That’s 4% of his support base dead, or double the rate of the American Civil War. If we had lost 4% of our population in WWII, that would have meant 5.6m American dead instead of 400K. Assad is at the end of his tether. If he did this, it’s likely out of necessity (to end the war quickly) rather than stupidity.

  143. @anonymous
    The black upper-middle class is an artificial construct supported by affirmative action, in particular through hiring for government jobs. Obama put blacks in as heads of NASA, Homeland Security, DOJ, appointment of judges, Jarrett, Rice, etc etc. Have any of them come up with a single original idea? It's curious that the black population seems to cling to the 'one-drop' rule more than anyone else. It's a way for them to make afrocentric claims about everything having been done by blacks, Abe Lincoln was black, moon landings were achieved by them and so on. There's a lot of self-delusion going on to make everyone feel better and Hollywood movies that all feature black geniuses play into this. The end result is mediocrity.

    Replies: @Truth

    moon landings were achieved by them and so on.

    Somebody said black people achieved a moon landing?

  144. @Jake
    More on this article making my mind work -

    Sailer observes that there is really no identity as 'white. That is true. That is, I think, a reason, WASP Elites (so named by Digby Baltzell, himself part of the Philadelphia version) naturally stressed in the bad ole days that every other ethnic group of whites lose their actual identity and become just 'white.' Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Spanish, French, Italian, Austrian, Bavarian, Polish, Serbian, Hungarian, Russian: these are real identities. White is not. And those with a definite identity have a huge, perhaps nearly insurmountable, advantage over those who do not.

    WASPs know that as well as Jews.

    That is the reason the Celtic South thing interested me from the time I encountered it. Liberals immediately acted to damn it and then make certain it never again was aired, and WASP Elites joined in. If many non-Elite whites have an identity other than just white, especially when that identity also is tied to a specific geography, then they could be the vanguard of resistance to the Liberal system that is slowly making them into serfs.

    Replies: @Truth

    Sailer observes that there is really no identity as ‘white

    When Ali was exiled from boxing due to his stance on the war in the late 60’s he went on the lecture circuit to make money, and he used to lecture at college campuses. One of his points was that one of the problems with blacks was that we had no pride due to no connection to our heritage.

    “The white-man is an Italian, a Frenchman, an Irishman, a German, etc., but black men are always called ‘negro’, there is no country in Africa called ‘negro’” he said.

    This was a southern audience at an HBCU and they were a little daunted by his controversial ideas so they were sitting on their hands. Ali repeated himself to drive the point home, “The white-man is an Italian, a Frenchman, an Irishman, a German, etc., but black men are always called ‘negro’, there is no country in Africa called ‘negro.’”

    The second time a black man stood up and said; “I ain’t heard’a no country called “white folks” neither…”

  145. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Jack D

    "When X has actually happened, then it is pointless to speculate that it was not in someone’s interest to do X so therefore it could not have happened"

    But has X actually happened? It seems very hard to disentangle truth from propaganda out there, apart from noting that a lot of people are being hurt.

    "People do things that are “unthinkable” and “out of character” and dumb all the time."

    But people with those characteristics don't generally spend 20-odd years ruling one of the more fractious areas of the world.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Jack D, @snorlax

    Saddam Hussein was the wily dictator of Iraq for 23 years . And then he was executed.

    Quadaffy was the clever dictator of Libya for 41 years. And then he was executed.

    That’s the thing about being an evil dictator – you have to win every single time.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Jack D

    In both cases they were overthrown by the US.

    How did that work out for the people of Iraq and Libya, for whose sake the US ostensibly acted?

  146. @Jack D
    @OilcanFloyd

    How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance?

    Yes, who could enjoy the insane squeaking or spastic movements of say, Michael Jackson or James Brown? No one.

    I have heard many stories of innocent white people, walking down the street and minding their own business when suddenly they were taken at gunpoint, dragged into a dark theatre and forced to watch Billy Madison from start to finish (including the coming attractions AND the credits). The same story is repeated over and over (sometimes it's Happy Gilmore or 50 First Dates, but otherwise the story is the same). This leads to lifelong trauma. In fact, many are in denial and would swear to you that they opened their wallets and voluntarily bought a ticket. But that is just because they have repressed the memory of their abductions.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Diversity Heretic, @Truth

  147. @Jack D
    @Hubbub

    They're not just immigrants but black immigrants. That's really why they are getting in, because the AA created for American slave descendants gets extended to clever Igbos (whose ancestors are probably are the ones who sold the slaves to the Arab traders who sold them to the American slave traders).

    The chances of an Asian immigrant getting into all Ivies are astronomically small. They would need to have 3600 SATs because Asians with 2400 SATs get their Ivy applications tossed in the trash every day.

    Replies: @Truth, @Triumph104

    Asians with 2400 SATs get their Ivy applications tossed in the trash every day.

    Now Jack, do they really score %100 on the SATs and get their applications tossed.?

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Truth

    Yes. At Harvard part of the standard spiel they give you on the tour, about their "holistic" admissions process, is bragging* about how they get hundreds of applicants with perfect SATs and perfect GPAs, and reject something like 84% of them.

    *Or, rather, self-congratulating, since a reasonable person wouldn't think it reflects well on them.

    , @Jack D
    @Truth

    Magic 8 Ball says:

    Yes

    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1759685-4-0-2400-valedictorian-rejected-waitlisted-from-all-top-choices.html

    Replies: @keuril

  148. @Jack D
    @keuril

    In the land of the blind, one eyed men are kings. In the affirmative action land of 85 IQ blacks, 120 IQ Igbos are kings (kangs?).

    Generally speaking, blacks in Ivy League Land get spotted around 300 points on the 2400 point SAT, so a black with a 2100 has the same chance as getting in as a white with 2400. Asians get a negative handicap (not sure how many points - it's a dirty secret and gets muddied because so many groups like Filipinos get thrown into the Asian bucket in order to muddy the waters further. If you mean Chinese or Korean, then it's a significant handicap).

    Replies: @Truth, @Gaslighting Hotep

    Yeah, you guys really do unfairly take a lot of Ivy league slots from those Chins.

  149. @Jack D
    @Thea

    There is still a huge industry in black hair care - black hair requires a lot more care than white to begin with and black cultural norms require that you spend even more ("we need our weaves"). Rachel Dolezal's faux African look reportedly cost thousands. The first black millionaire was a woman who sold black hair care products. There are very few viable black run businesses in the ghetto but there are hair salons (and storefront churches) on every block.

    Blacks have shied away from these kind of jobs because nowadays proud Africans hate serving white people unless it is at a place like the DMV where they can openly reveal their undisguised contempt for you. But I think that they also were outcompeted in both areas in an earlier wave of immigration - by Italians. After Uncle Ben there was Chef Boyardee.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Truth

    Blacks have shied away from these kind of jobs because nowadays proud Africans hate serving white people unless it is at a place like the DMV where they can openly reveal their undisguised contempt for you.

    I always thought that had more to do with waiting on 16 people an hour.

  150. @Lugash
    @Bleuteaux

    Yes, you're suicidal for reading Unz or anything else alt-Right at work. If it's your own device you'd a) better not be using corporate wifi b) better not be using Android as it's almost certain that at least one app is sniffing your traffic c) better be using Tor, as Trump and Congress have seen fit to allow your browsing history(and all network traffic) to be sold.

    And to edit d) You run the risk of having someone shoulder surf what you're browsing.

    Replies: @Clark Westwood, @Truth

    Yes, you’re suicidal for reading Unz or anything else alt-Right at work. If it’s your own device you’d a) better not be using corporate wifi b) better not be using Android as it’s almost certain that at least one app is sniffing your traffic c) better be using Tor, as Trump and Congress have seen fit to allow your browsing history(and all network traffic) to be sold.

    Or
    d) Start your own business like a REAL White Man, John Wayne!

  151. @Truth

    The ongoing flight from white helps those blacks who are almost but not quite white, such as former national security adviser Susan Rice
     
    Almost but not quite white? Steve you are losing your mind.

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/rw/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/03/14/Web-Resampled/2011-03-14/OB-RICE12_03_1299881340--296x317.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux

    The ongoing flight from white helps those blacks who are almost but not quite white, such as former national security adviser Susan Rice

    Almost but not quite white? Steve you are losing your mind.

    Closer to White than Black, dear fellow……

    And her daughter is even closer:

    • Replies: @Truth
    @syonredux

    I'm closer to dead than born, but actuarial tables say I still have 30 whole years left.

    Replies: @syonredux

  152. @Buffalo Joe
    @Buffalo Joe

    Citi, no offense taken, because no offense was offered. You gave a good reply and I thank you. Every day is a learning experience here...imagine if they served drinks.

    Replies: @Truth

    imagine if they served drinks.

    You’d spend all your time blubbering about how much you loved these dudes and bitching about Tyrod Taylor.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Truth

    Truth, that was painfully close to the truth. next round's on me.

  153. @Mark Caplan
    I've always been struck by the black term "the talented tenth," generally applied to light-skinned, college-educated partly black blacks. The term implies the existence of a burdensome, untalented 90 percent.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @snorlax

    “The talented tenth” isn’t a black term, it’s an HBDer term. I think it was either Steve or Jared Taylor who coined it.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @snorlax

    WEB Du Bois used it long ago.

    , @res
    @snorlax

    It's been around for a while: talented tenth ngrams

    Interesting to see the changes from 1940 to present. Any thoughts on what has been driving it in/out of fashion?

    Replies: @snorlax

    , @okie
    @snorlax

    No it was popularized by WEB DuBois, but it is interesting that he saw himself as part of that cohort, guiding the remainder and interacting with the broader society. I think it has a lot to do with modern society of any color, the Academic and upper middle side of the current High/low Dem coalition see itself as a talented tenth saving us from those obviously dangerous guns and SUVs and Soda pops.
    My HS was named after BT Washington, so i tried to find out about him and stumbled onto the 1900's debate between the two. Even then 30 yrs ago, reading sources written back to the 60's, the fellows writing about him and DuBois were apologetic that the idea of learning trades, and self sufficiency that BTW preached ( a good idea for any race)had prevailed over WEBD's serfdom to a talented tenth

  154. @syonredux
    A fine piece, Steve. Some observations:

    You inherit race, though…. We’re reminded of this once again by Rachel Dolezal, the white woman who made national headlines in 2015 for claiming a black identity because she felt like it…. She is the biological child of white parents….

     

    I'm continually amazed by the rage that Dolezal's adventures in trans-racialism have engendered in the Black community, especially among Black women. Some of that, no doubt, is due to sexual jealousy, as Dolezal (a White woman of mediocre appearance) made a very striking Black-ish woman.....But some of it, I'm sure, has to do with the fact that that the Black intelligentsia is, as a class, rather on the beige side of things. When you are in a room full of quadroons and octaroons who have attended WASPy prep schools and elite unis, doubts must enter the mind (What is Blackness? How Black am I compared to some gang-banger with a more anthracitic complexion?) Then the one drop rule comes to the rescue: "I am Black by virtue of Blood!" Sure, it's a retrograde, Hitlerian notion, but it's also deeply satisfying.....

    For my son, though, being black in America is about more than his skin color. It’s about power, confidence, culture and belonging…. That my son sees more power in centering his blackness over exploiting whatever white privilege he may ultimately be afforded is a thing of glory.

     

    Let's try inverting that:

    For my son, though, being White in America is about more than his skin color. It’s about power, confidence, culture and belonging…. That my son sees more power in centering his Whiteness over exploiting whatever Black privilege he may ultimately be afforded is a thing of glory.
     
    Nah.....no MSM publication would ever dare print something like that.....

    “If my parents had instilled any Italian culture in me, I might want to share that with my son. But if you’re talking about general whiteness, there’s nothing there to pass down.”

     

    MMM, let's see, "general whiteness"....that basically means Western Civilization, no? Quite a bit to pass down: Plato, Aristotle, the Norse Sagas, The Iliad & The Odyssey, Shakespeare, Gothic architecture, Beethoven, Wagner, Dante, ....

    Of course, we are not allowed to claim those things as belonging to us. No, we are supposed to see them as open to all......Meanwhile, Blacks, East Asians, Middle Eastern Muslims, and Latin Americans are allowed to point to various cultural achievements as their exclusive property....

    Replies: @Jack D, @Truth, @Stealth

    Dolezal (a White woman of mediocre appearance) made a very striking Black-ish woman

    Syondey, I suggest you start getting out of the house more.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Truth


    Dolezal (a White woman of mediocre appearance) made a very striking Black-ish woman

    Syondey, I suggest you start getting out of the house more.
     
    Have to remember, Truth, I was comparing Dolezal to actual Black women. Looking better than the Black female mean is something of a low bar......
  155. SMK says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonym

    I have a feeling that White Europeans will snap before we do. When they do finally snap, it'll also be quite hard. Of all the White Euro ethnic groups, the Germans may snap the hardest.

    This Syrian invasion is disastrous in the short term, but it's showing Europeans just how much immigration is destroying the fabric of their societies. The bad behavior of these refugees will act as a catalyst for the various right-wing nationalist parties.

    Here's a prediction. Within a decade, most of Europe will be under ethnonationalist governments.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jack D, @Olorin, @SMK, @SMK, @SMK

    In France, even if all Muslim immigration were ended tomorrow -which will never happen, of course, since anti-white leftists control almost everything- the nation would be destined to become a Muslim-majority hell-hole given the disparate birthrates between French (alarmingly below the replacement level of 2.1 children per woman) and Muslim women.

  156. @Jack D
    @res

    Sorry I misread the original - I thought they were giving events/thousand which is what they shift to in the next sentence.

    Once you start losing lawsuits and juries start giving out verdicts in the millions each for a drug that has been prescribed hundreds of million of times to an elderly population who are sure to die like flies (and every heart attack is another potential multimillion $ claim because it MIGHT have been caused by your drug) then at that point you have no choice but to throw in the towel and settle before the liability completely destroys your business. Unless you settle, the product liability vampires will not rest until you have been bled completely dry. Your choice is to give them several pints all at once and end the pain or die the death of a thousand cuts.

    Replies: @res, @Buffalo Joe

    You make a good point about the way settling works in practice. In this case I think they got it right though. It looks like Vioxx really did significantly increase heart attacks and cardiac death, and I think it’s hard to argue that the behavior of either Merck or the FDA through all of this was acceptable. Just because it is (probably) impossible to definitively tie any single death to Vioxx does not mean Merck should not have faced consequences. That said, the lottery ticket aspect of this (some get millions while others just get death, and the lawyers get rich) bothers me and I agree the problem of marginal cases resulting in death of a thousand cuts is an issue. As much as our legal system annoys me at times I’m not sure there are any better examples out there though.

    The sad part is that even with a multi-billion dollar settlement and the other costs I think Merck still made a profit on Vioxx overall (perhaps not if including the hard to quantify reputation hit). I think we both know what that implies for next time.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @res

    Moral Hazard.

    Good 1 minute video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxPfJ0RpVaw

    Wall Street takes crazy risks. When the risk pays off, they profit. When the risk doesn't pay off, they get bailed out. They also do a lot of insider-trading on the side and engage in cartel-type behaviors (fixing Libor, establishing a standard commission on I-banking, etc), but seem to never get punished. Not surprisingly, they never change.

  157. @syonredux
    @Truth


    The ongoing flight from white helps those blacks who are almost but not quite white, such as former national security adviser Susan Rice

    Almost but not quite white? Steve you are losing your mind.
     
    Closer to White than Black, dear fellow......

    And her daughter is even closer:

    http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/President+Obama+Pardons+National+Thanksgiving+sB1dciswqQgx.jpg

    Replies: @Truth

    I’m closer to dead than born, but actuarial tables say I still have 30 whole years left.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Truth


    I’m closer to dead than born, but actuarial tables say I still have 30 whole years left.
     
    And yet I'm pretty sure that you would prefer having an extra 40 or 50.....

    Every millimeter closer to Whiteness counts, dear fellow. Just ask Kidada Jones about her sister Rashida....
  158. @snorlax
    @Mark Caplan

    "The talented tenth" isn't a black term, it's an HBDer term. I think it was either Steve or Jared Taylor who coined it.

    Replies: @Flip, @res, @okie

    WEB Du Bois used it long ago.

  159. @Truth
    @OilcanFloyd


    How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance?
     
    Why I'd say somewhere between 0 and 5.

    Replies: @Flip, @E. Rekshun

    Well, not rap or hip hop, but people like the Drifters, Temptations, and Stevie Wonder are pretty entertaining.

  160. @snorlax
    @Mark Caplan

    "The talented tenth" isn't a black term, it's an HBDer term. I think it was either Steve or Jared Taylor who coined it.

    Replies: @Flip, @res, @okie

    It’s been around for a while: talented tenth ngrams

    Interesting to see the changes from 1940 to present. Any thoughts on what has been driving it in/out of fashion?

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @res

    Apparently it is a black term; coined by W.E.B. du Bois. Mea culpa. It has however been adopted by HBDers to refer to the portion of the black population with IQs >105 or so.

  161. Anonymous [AKA "Dupont C"] says:

    Ugly Huffington writer calls Sage Steele biracial:

    http://www.theroot.com/twitter-rejoices-after-learning-that-espn-analyst-sage-1794007483

    I wouldn’t say “analyst” though– an analyst, really? ESPN has any female analysts doing analysis? Unless they coached the Tennessee women’s basketball team I can’t imagine why to take seriously any chick’s opinion on sports. The ones who aren’t former athletes, but pundettes, are so insufferable, trying to please their dads who wanted a son instead. Just stop

  162. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Jack D

    "When X has actually happened, then it is pointless to speculate that it was not in someone’s interest to do X so therefore it could not have happened"

    But has X actually happened? It seems very hard to disentangle truth from propaganda out there, apart from noting that a lot of people are being hurt.

    "People do things that are “unthinkable” and “out of character” and dumb all the time."

    But people with those characteristics don't generally spend 20-odd years ruling one of the more fractious areas of the world.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Jack D, @snorlax

    The thing about Middle Eastern governments, even when brutal, is that the central authority is pretty weak. Everyone (who has access to weapons/funds) pretty much does their own thing. And Assad’s government is all the weaker and more disorganized after 5 years of civil war. I doubt that Assad personally ordered this latest gas attack; it was probably some mid-level officer who made the call and didn’t clear it with the higher-ups. Syria is the epicenter of ISIS — its people are not exactly number one in rationality.

  163. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonym

    I have a feeling that White Europeans will snap before we do. When they do finally snap, it'll also be quite hard. Of all the White Euro ethnic groups, the Germans may snap the hardest.

    This Syrian invasion is disastrous in the short term, but it's showing Europeans just how much immigration is destroying the fabric of their societies. The bad behavior of these refugees will act as a catalyst for the various right-wing nationalist parties.

    Here's a prediction. Within a decade, most of Europe will be under ethnonationalist governments.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jack D, @Olorin, @SMK, @SMK, @SMK

    At least the rulers of Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, and The Czech Republic are not guilt-obsessed/tormented, masochistic, and suicidal. They had nothing to do with slavery and colonialism and were the victims of both the Nazis and Communists, Germany and Russia, and of Muslim invaders centuries ago.

  164. @Jack D
    @res

    Sorry I misread the original - I thought they were giving events/thousand which is what they shift to in the next sentence.

    Once you start losing lawsuits and juries start giving out verdicts in the millions each for a drug that has been prescribed hundreds of million of times to an elderly population who are sure to die like flies (and every heart attack is another potential multimillion $ claim because it MIGHT have been caused by your drug) then at that point you have no choice but to throw in the towel and settle before the liability completely destroys your business. Unless you settle, the product liability vampires will not rest until you have been bled completely dry. Your choice is to give them several pints all at once and end the pain or die the death of a thousand cuts.

    Replies: @res, @Buffalo Joe

    Jack, trolling lawyers had a hot-line…1-800-BAD DRUG.

  165. @res
    @snorlax

    It's been around for a while: talented tenth ngrams

    Interesting to see the changes from 1940 to present. Any thoughts on what has been driving it in/out of fashion?

    Replies: @snorlax

    Apparently it is a black term; coined by W.E.B. du Bois. Mea culpa. It has however been adopted by HBDers to refer to the portion of the black population with IQs >105 or so.

  166. @Yak-15
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/us/teen-ivy-league-trnd/index.html

    I cannot believe CNN runs with these stories still. It's never an Asian kid or a White but always a minority. At what point do people start seeing this as privilege?

    Replies: @anonymous, @Triumph104

    Ask and you shall receive — white Fargo teen just got in all eight Ivy League colleges.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/05/us/nd-teen-ivy-league-trnd/

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Triumph104

    Hey, and he's a white BOY too! Allow me to translate this article into Ebonics for you, Yakey...

    Sid'down and shu'cho Hunkeh-azz up!

    Replies: @Yak-15

  167. @Triumph104
    @Yak-15

    Ask and you shall receive -- white Fargo teen just got in all eight Ivy League colleges.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/05/us/nd-teen-ivy-league-trnd/

    Replies: @Truth

    Hey, and he’s a white BOY too! Allow me to translate this article into Ebonics for you, Yakey…

    Sid’down and shu’cho Hunkeh-azz up!

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @Truth

    Clearly he got in because of his privilege. Nauseating. Johnny Cochrane is rolling in his grave!

  168. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    If you look at a place like Sweden, or even Germany, there's very little sign of backlash. It's just all nice white ladies all they way down. Maybe there will be a backlash someday but it will be too late. Hillary and all her experts thought (and not without good reason) that it was too late for an American white backlash and it ALMOST was - it was a close run thing. And it's not really over - they still think Trump is a passing fad and soon things will go back to "normal".

    There's always the possibility that by the time you awake to the danger it's too late to do anything about it. People engage in protective denial a lot. Western societies are full of denial now. Part of the reason why Jews did not mount an effective resistance to the Holocaust is that they literally refused to believe what was happening. There were a few people who managed to escape from the extermination camps and when they went back to Warsaw or Lodz or whatever and told the community where those trains were going they were simply disbelieved. Part of it was that it was unprecedented but part of it was just protective denial because it was too big a problem to deal with in any normal way. The Polish resistance actually smuggled someone into a death camp and then back out to the US in order to give an eye witness account to Felix Frankfurter and he did the same thing - "Sorry I can't believe you." And then he did nothing.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    There’s another explanation for why people, ahem, “refused” to believe it was happening…

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon

    And that would be?

    Replies: @Anon

  169. @snorlax
    @Mark Caplan

    "The talented tenth" isn't a black term, it's an HBDer term. I think it was either Steve or Jared Taylor who coined it.

    Replies: @Flip, @res, @okie

    No it was popularized by WEB DuBois, but it is interesting that he saw himself as part of that cohort, guiding the remainder and interacting with the broader society. I think it has a lot to do with modern society of any color, the Academic and upper middle side of the current High/low Dem coalition see itself as a talented tenth saving us from those obviously dangerous guns and SUVs and Soda pops.
    My HS was named after BT Washington, so i tried to find out about him and stumbled onto the 1900’s debate between the two. Even then 30 yrs ago, reading sources written back to the 60’s, the fellows writing about him and DuBois were apologetic that the idea of learning trades, and self sufficiency that BTW preached ( a good idea for any race)had prevailed over WEBD’s serfdom to a talented tenth

  170. @Joe Sweet
    OT: Well at least one Hollywood art department guy reads this blog...


    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/official-sanctuary-city-prank-sign-briefly-welcomes-malibu-visitors-991405

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, I’ll post.

  171. @JohnnyWalker123

    Because their population was limited while their continent was not, Franklin observed in 1754, Americans could afford to live large.
    Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden. Perhaps not surprisingly, each year tens of thousands of Americans brought up on Franklin’s more expansive American dream are giving up and dropping dead.
     
    Are Appalachians giving up because of mass immigration and high land prices? Is McDowell County plagued by immigration and unaffordable housing?

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors.

    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role "pill mill" doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the "War on Terror," which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    The Anglosphere and Europe haven't seen the same fall in life expectancy, despite also being hit hard by immigration and falling prospects for blue collar workers. The declining standard of living matters, but so do all of the above factors (most of which aren't present in those other countries).

    I actually find it remarkable that so many posters here don't even discuss any of the above factors. I don't know why. I suppose it's because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for "Big Government Socialism."

    When the New York Times doesn't mention the role immigration plays in falling wages, that's strange. When conservatives here don't mention the role that Big Pharma played in the White Death, that's also very strange. A lot of people are willfully ignorant and refuse to criticize what they hold sacred. For liberals, they hold minorities and immigrants as sacred, which makes non-whites exempt from critique. For conservatives, they hold big business and "small govt" as sacred, so they don't want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

    It's also interesting to see who gets to be the default bogeyman. For the left, the default bogeyman is straight white men. Anytime something goes wrong in the lives of minorities or women, straight white men are somehow to blame.

    When the white death was discussed, a lot of the conservatives here automatically blamed feminists, cultural relativists, anti-white liberals, and gays. Someone here even blamed abusive black boyfriends. Apparently, West Virginia has lots of abusive black boyfriends. Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren't seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc. None of these posters even noticed that culturally conservative Utah has experienced the White Death.

    When people have a default bogeyman, sometimes they don't let facts or reasoning get in the way.

    It wouldn't kill the NY Times to once in a while mention that immigration is lowering the standard of living in America. It wouldn't kill some of you to mention that term "Big Pharma."

    By the way, a few years ago, Ron Unz wrote an excellent article on Vioxx. Apparently, Vioxx killed several hundred thousand Americans and the govt and media didn't notice. Interestingly, when Ron wrote that article, some of the posters here went out of their way to defend....... the drugmaker.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Ron estimated 500,000 premature deaths due to Vioxx. For some reason, people here don't talk much about that article. The Vioxx death total is roughly 150x the 9/11 death total, but doesn't get mentioned much here or anywhere else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jack D, @bomag, @Thea, @utu, @Federalist, @anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Das, @Jake

    Spot on.

    The current political milieu is absurd and anti-white, but it’s not actually the thing that is causing huge numbers of white people to die of opiate overdoses.

    Before the late 1990s, opiate pain killers were tightly restricted because everyone understood their abuse potential. Under intense pharma lobbying and flawed research studies, the US decided to make them broadly available. No other country made them so available, so they avoided the White Death.

    You can blame Mexicans for bringing in heroin, but you can’t sell something that there’s no demand for. There was no demand for heroin in all-white rural areas before everyone there got hooked on opiate pain killers.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  172. @Hubbub
    Interesting -

    But a handful of students have gotten eight Ivy acceptances for the class of 2019. These students have one specific thing in common — they're all the children of immigrants.
     
    Accepted by design or by chance?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Triumph104

    Children of immigrants are about the only ones who bother to apply to all eight Ivy League colleges. Some non-immigrant kids do it, but it is rare.

  173. @Jack D
    @Hubbub

    They're not just immigrants but black immigrants. That's really why they are getting in, because the AA created for American slave descendants gets extended to clever Igbos (whose ancestors are probably are the ones who sold the slaves to the Arab traders who sold them to the American slave traders).

    The chances of an Asian immigrant getting into all Ivies are astronomically small. They would need to have 3600 SATs because Asians with 2400 SATs get their Ivy applications tossed in the trash every day.

    Replies: @Truth, @Triumph104

    Most immigrant kids who get into all eight Ivy League colleges are black but not all.

    Stefan Stoykov (white Bulgarian) is class of 2019 and got into all eight. His parents won the US’s green card lottery.

    Pooja Chandrashekar (East Indian) is class of 2019 — accepted to all eight Ivy League colleges, Stanford, MIT, Duke, etc.

    Cassandra Hsiao (Malaysian/Taiwanese — 100% ethnic Chinese?) — accepted this year into all eight Ivy League colleges.

    http://www.standartnews.com/english/read/bulgarian_wunderkind_accepted_to_all_ivy_league_schools_in_us-8019.html
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/education/pooja-chandrasekar-she-s-only-17-but-has-scored-admissions-to-all-8-ivy-league-schools/story-0FhJUFPOMEtGJvvIaP9k0H.html
    http://thetab.com/us/2017/03/31/got-into-all-ivies-64085

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Triumph104

    A new white entrant, from North Dakota: https://twitter.com/cnn/status/849739929320132608

    Replies: @Triumph104

  174. @Anonym
    @Thea

    I think we will go the way of the wooly mammoth by 2200. Maybe the Slavs will still be here but I see zero reason for optimism about a white awakening.

    It's important to look at historical time scales, look at what sort of things we have done throughout history (the DNA is mostly the same), and look for indicators of rates of change.

    We have at various times been extremely ethnocentric. We have waged wars of conquest and engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing (like every other race/ethnic group of sufficient size and scope). We have done so in an organized fashion. We have overthrown oppressive regimes. We have fought against all odds and won.

    Not every family has members who outbreed. Not everyone has the inclination to outbreed. Some have a strong inclination not to outbreed. Willingness to outbreed is being boiled off the white genome at a fairly rapid rate. The core is becoming more ethnocentric by default, even in an environment of 24/7 anti-White pro-miscegenation propaganda. When we fight for and win the right to our own programming, freedom of speech in countries without it and freedom of association... the pendulum is going to swing the other way, hard.

    Usually in the mathematical world, when things reach as low as the can go, the only possibility is to bounce back. While I certainly bemoan the fact we are a global minority, we are still a major racial group in size. So even with all the outbreeding, the remnant is still going to be a big population.

    Now the rates of change. I have been following comments sections since there were comments sections on the internet. Way back when, practically no one was at all fashy. You had to phrase your sentiments very carefully to get past the moderation in most cases. (I suspect that Hasbara tried for a while to be fake neo-nazis, saying highly objectionable stuff designed to turn off randoms, with obvious imagery. Then they stopped because they realized it was pointless, they were getting lost in a swarm. And maybe some of them were being converted by us.)

    Well, fast forward to 2017. At many times, the NYT reader's picks are on our side. The NYT! We have elected Trump and passed Brexit. Most comment sections have closed down because TPTB can't handle the fashy content. R/alt-right gets shoahed, and what happens? Well, some went to voat's identitarian, and a large number it appears just went back into the_donald and continued commenting there in a partially crypto fashion. Breitbart went from nothing to a counterweight that helped swing an election.

    The thing to realize about the meme wars, the online wars, is that opinions can be changed but once someone goes pro-white, they generally stay that way. Once someone has been red pilled, the blue pills don't work any more. The beauty is that they can shut us up but they don't generally kill us. They can't stop us reproducing with other white people and breeding at well above replacement levels. Mathematically, the odds are stacked in our favor.

    Replies: @Thea

    Thanks, I’m just very despairing right now for several reason including Trumps full cuck this week.

    I think I will print out some Amren fliers to leave at my Uni library to make myself feel a little better. Like maybe one young person will wake up. Tim Wise spoke here last semester. Very depressing

  175. @Truth
    @Jack D


    Asians with 2400 SATs get their Ivy applications tossed in the trash every day.
     
    Now Jack, do they really score %100 on the SATs and get their applications tossed.?

    Replies: @snorlax, @Jack D

    Yes. At Harvard part of the standard spiel they give you on the tour, about their “holistic” admissions process, is bragging* about how they get hundreds of applicants with perfect SATs and perfect GPAs, and reject something like 84% of them.

    *Or, rather, self-congratulating, since a reasonable person wouldn’t think it reflects well on them.

  176. @Truth
    @Jack D


    Asians with 2400 SATs get their Ivy applications tossed in the trash every day.
     
    Now Jack, do they really score %100 on the SATs and get their applications tossed.?

    Replies: @snorlax, @Jack D

    • Replies: @keuril
    @Jack D

    It's not surprising that he didn't get into HYPSM, as his extracurriculars and awards are "standard strong," while those schools have so many Asian applicants with similar stats that the battle is really over ECs—how unique they are, how well developed, how well expressed in the essays. However, a girl with his stats probably would have gotten into MIT (double the admit rate for females, against a less competitive pool). The lower-level Ivies, Duke, JHU don't require as much polish on the ECs, but when a high stats kid like this applies to them regular decision, they may simply reject him because they figure he will get into some place better—aka "Tufts Syndrome." Wash U is a notorious practioner of Tufts Syndrome (as is Tufts!).

    Replies: @Jack D

  177. @JohnnyWalker123

    Because their population was limited while their continent was not, Franklin observed in 1754, Americans could afford to live large.
    Today, Franklin’s perception of America is seen as out-of-date. The New World has been retconned by billionaires as deserving to be crowded, poorly paid, and class-ridden. Perhaps not surprisingly, each year tens of thousands of Americans brought up on Franklin’s more expansive American dream are giving up and dropping dead.
     
    Are Appalachians giving up because of mass immigration and high land prices? Is McDowell County plagued by immigration and unaffordable housing?

    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors.

    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role "pill mill" doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the "War on Terror," which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.

    The Anglosphere and Europe haven't seen the same fall in life expectancy, despite also being hit hard by immigration and falling prospects for blue collar workers. The declining standard of living matters, but so do all of the above factors (most of which aren't present in those other countries).

    I actually find it remarkable that so many posters here don't even discuss any of the above factors. I don't know why. I suppose it's because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for "Big Government Socialism."

    When the New York Times doesn't mention the role immigration plays in falling wages, that's strange. When conservatives here don't mention the role that Big Pharma played in the White Death, that's also very strange. A lot of people are willfully ignorant and refuse to criticize what they hold sacred. For liberals, they hold minorities and immigrants as sacred, which makes non-whites exempt from critique. For conservatives, they hold big business and "small govt" as sacred, so they don't want to be mean to Big Pharma or rich doctors.

    It's also interesting to see who gets to be the default bogeyman. For the left, the default bogeyman is straight white men. Anytime something goes wrong in the lives of minorities or women, straight white men are somehow to blame.

    When the white death was discussed, a lot of the conservatives here automatically blamed feminists, cultural relativists, anti-white liberals, and gays. Someone here even blamed abusive black boyfriends. Apparently, West Virginia has lots of abusive black boyfriends. Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren't seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc. None of these posters even noticed that culturally conservative Utah has experienced the White Death.

    When people have a default bogeyman, sometimes they don't let facts or reasoning get in the way.

    It wouldn't kill the NY Times to once in a while mention that immigration is lowering the standard of living in America. It wouldn't kill some of you to mention that term "Big Pharma."

    By the way, a few years ago, Ron Unz wrote an excellent article on Vioxx. Apparently, Vioxx killed several hundred thousand Americans and the govt and media didn't notice. Interestingly, when Ron wrote that article, some of the posters here went out of their way to defend....... the drugmaker.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Ron estimated 500,000 premature deaths due to Vioxx. For some reason, people here don't talk much about that article. The Vioxx death total is roughly 150x the 9/11 death total, but doesn't get mentioned much here or anywhere else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jack D, @bomag, @Thea, @utu, @Federalist, @anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Das, @Jake

    I know that academics in closed sessions by the 1990s were discussing, usually with drinks, that if only white middle America could be flooded with drugs, then we’d see that whites are even worse than blacks in bad conditions that place extra stress on people.

    Do I think that a number of Liberals, Gentiles as well as Jews, would be OK with such an ‘experiment’? Absolutely.

  178. @Jake
    I see this as one of Steve Sailer's handful of very most important articles, and that is saying a great deal.

    The Walter White reference is most insightful. He is the best film presentation of the middle American white guy who realizes at some point that the 'system' of Liberal America hasn't just been pissing on his leg while assuring him it was raining; the Liberal system has been forcing him to wallow through feces: for which the system taxes him while reminding him he has it easy because of white privilege. White is much smarter and harder working than virtually everyone, and he is stuck at a poor paying job for which he is grossly over-qualified after getting cheated by a pair of Jews who then became at least multi-millionaires.

    Being the good sport even when getting cheated, whether by Jews or blacks or Asians or Moslems or gays or WASP Elites, is the normal pattern for 'white' guys. We suck it up and avoid going rogue on the lying, cheating trash. A series of events trigger White to 'get even.'

    The show ended with White acknowledging that he loved doing what he had done. I think he loved it for two reasons that for him became necessarily entwined: his intellect was properly challenged AND rewarded. For the first time since grad schools days before the two Jews cheated him and then got filthy rich, Walter White was allowed to prove his intellectual superiority and work ethic. He was not held down by white guilt over Jews or blacks, nor by Affirmative Action.

    In the 'Old America,' Walter White would have been allowed, would have been encouraged, to fight hard to succeed. And he easily could have become one the 'dead white men' enlightened Liberals demand we all hate. Instead, Walter White boiled over.

    Replies: @Truth, @Ivy

    Breaking Bad characters provided quite a look at elements of American culture that were only vague news stories. Imagine how those characters fit into more neighborhoods around the country (readers, maybe down your block?), and how their lives pan out. Uncle Jack, Skinny Pete, and Saul Goodman, among others in the supporting cast, had verisimilitude due to fine acting and superb writing. The cast left people wanting more and thinking about how their lives would be impacted if in similar circumstances.

    How many television shows provide the type of look past the two-dimensional portraits on so many shows?

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Ivy

    Imagine how those characters fit into more neighborhoods around the country (readers, maybe down your block?

    Just click through the local mug shots in your local newspaper. Or search your County's sex offender database. The derelicts are all over. We each probably pass by a dozen or more convicted felons every day.

  179. @Anon
    @Jack D

    There's another explanation for why people, ahem, "refused" to believe it was happening...

    Replies: @Jack D

    And that would be?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    Cause it wasn't happening. You new to how our fabulist mythmaking elite operate, amigo?

    Replies: @Jack D

  180. @Seth Largo
    @Glossy

    That's basically what he said, moran.

    Replies: @Glossy

    Steve said that Anglo-Saxons are less interested in extended families than anybody else on earth. That’s false. In reality Scandinavians are less interested in extended familes than any other group on earth.

    Steve is smart, but he knows nothing of value, nothing beyond the most trivial, superficial stuff about any culture other than his own. And I don’t blame him for that – it’s un-American to be interested in such topics. What I blame him for is pretending to know.

    I remember him once speculating that Xi Jinpin’s wife might have been a prostitute because she used to sing for Chinese troops. This would have been back in the 1980s. That’s even funnier than this Anglo-Saxon stuff.

    • Replies: @Jake
    @Glossy

    I assume you know that Scandinavians are linguistically and culturally Germanic - just like Angles and Saxons. I assume you know that the Anglo-Saxon epic Beowulf is set exclusively in Scandinavia.

    One of the obvious inferences that should be drawn from those facts is that in any number of comparisons between Scandinavians and English, there will be very close findings. One analyst may say the English are The Most at something, and the other analyst will name the Scandinavians. A person who blasts either analyst for what is a slight difference in assessment is at best a ridiculous pedant. And he might have axes to grind.

    If you click on the link Sailer provides, you will see that his chart shows that there are other European areas that are little interested in extended family as are Anglo-Saxons. They include the exact parts of Scandinavia that clearly mattered to Late Dark Ages Anglo-Saxons, as well as eras that such Northern Germanics settled in the Low Countries and France.

  181. @anonymous
    @Yak-15

    Yeah. You'd think that they (CNN) would get the message that people see thru this stuff. On the other hand, when you consider that the viewership that watches CNN is usually the same group that watches PBS NewsHour and listens to NPR, why should anyone be surprised?

    Replies: @Ivy

    CNN, NPR and that ilk seem to be practicing Journalisticism,. How many newsreaders can argue about finely parsed minutiae on the head of a pin.

  182. @Triumph104
    @Jack D

    Most immigrant kids who get into all eight Ivy League colleges are black but not all.

    Stefan Stoykov (white Bulgarian) is class of 2019 and got into all eight. His parents won the US's green card lottery.

    Pooja Chandrashekar (East Indian) is class of 2019 -- accepted to all eight Ivy League colleges, Stanford, MIT, Duke, etc.

    Cassandra Hsiao (Malaysian/Taiwanese -- 100% ethnic Chinese?) -- accepted this year into all eight Ivy League colleges.

    http://www.standartnews.com/english/read/bulgarian_wunderkind_accepted_to_all_ivy_league_schools_in_us-8019.html
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/education/pooja-chandrasekar-she-s-only-17-but-has-scored-admissions-to-all-8-ivy-league-schools/story-0FhJUFPOMEtGJvvIaP9k0H.html
    http://thetab.com/us/2017/03/31/got-into-all-ivies-64085

    Replies: @Ed

    A new white entrant, from North Dakota: https://twitter.com/cnn/status/849739929320132608

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Ed

    I mentioned the eight Ivy League white Fargo teen in another post about CNN. I just wanted to list non-black children of immigrants in the post you responded to. I don't believe the Fargo teen is the child of immigrants, although I am not certain.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/white-death-and-black-privilege/#comment-1825304

    Replies: @keuril

  183. @syonredux
    A fine piece, Steve. Some observations:

    You inherit race, though…. We’re reminded of this once again by Rachel Dolezal, the white woman who made national headlines in 2015 for claiming a black identity because she felt like it…. She is the biological child of white parents….

     

    I'm continually amazed by the rage that Dolezal's adventures in trans-racialism have engendered in the Black community, especially among Black women. Some of that, no doubt, is due to sexual jealousy, as Dolezal (a White woman of mediocre appearance) made a very striking Black-ish woman.....But some of it, I'm sure, has to do with the fact that that the Black intelligentsia is, as a class, rather on the beige side of things. When you are in a room full of quadroons and octaroons who have attended WASPy prep schools and elite unis, doubts must enter the mind (What is Blackness? How Black am I compared to some gang-banger with a more anthracitic complexion?) Then the one drop rule comes to the rescue: "I am Black by virtue of Blood!" Sure, it's a retrograde, Hitlerian notion, but it's also deeply satisfying.....

    For my son, though, being black in America is about more than his skin color. It’s about power, confidence, culture and belonging…. That my son sees more power in centering his blackness over exploiting whatever white privilege he may ultimately be afforded is a thing of glory.

     

    Let's try inverting that:

    For my son, though, being White in America is about more than his skin color. It’s about power, confidence, culture and belonging…. That my son sees more power in centering his Whiteness over exploiting whatever Black privilege he may ultimately be afforded is a thing of glory.
     
    Nah.....no MSM publication would ever dare print something like that.....

    “If my parents had instilled any Italian culture in me, I might want to share that with my son. But if you’re talking about general whiteness, there’s nothing there to pass down.”

     

    MMM, let's see, "general whiteness"....that basically means Western Civilization, no? Quite a bit to pass down: Plato, Aristotle, the Norse Sagas, The Iliad & The Odyssey, Shakespeare, Gothic architecture, Beethoven, Wagner, Dante, ....

    Of course, we are not allowed to claim those things as belonging to us. No, we are supposed to see them as open to all......Meanwhile, Blacks, East Asians, Middle Eastern Muslims, and Latin Americans are allowed to point to various cultural achievements as their exclusive property....

    Replies: @Jack D, @Truth, @Stealth

    That word you wrote, “anthracitic,” I like it. Gonna use it.

  184. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Jack D

    White identity has taken a massive beating, and it may be dead, but I'll give it my best shot. Even little things count.

    The other day when a neighbor was talking about the NCAA tournament, I said that I don't normally care because it's a bunch of kids who don't belong anywhere near a college campus, but that this year, I was routing for one team. Which one? Mt. St. Mary's of course. "Why?" he asked. I gave him a quizzical look said, "Because they're white. Why wouldn't I cheer for my own. Same as Asians rout for Jeremy Lin."

    He gave me a somewhat shocked, slightly disgusted look and switched to another subject. Pretty sure that I didn't win over a convert but I did something just as important. I let people know that there are whites who are normal and are willing to show pride in their own people. Most whites are too far gone. My hope is that 10 or 20 percent of whites are willing to bit by bit band together.

    It'll take time, and we'll probably fail (heck, look at California and Texas, you don't see white identity blooming there despite the demographic changes), but I can't imagine a better lost cause to fight for.

    Steve believes in Citizenism, similar to Trump's nationalism. I just don't see how that works. At its core Citizenism is still a Proposition Nation, and I just don't think a Proposition Nation can stand up in the face of tribal thinkers such as the Jews and Asians.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Truth, @Jake

    I think Mount St. Marys, which is in MD, started 4 blacks. St Marys in CA started 5 whites and had at least 12 white players total.

    The only reason the media stopped hating on Gonzaga this year is that for the first time ever Gonzaga started 4 black players.

  185. @Truth
    @syonredux


    Dolezal (a White woman of mediocre appearance) made a very striking Black-ish woman
     
    Syondey, I suggest you start getting out of the house more.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Dolezal (a White woman of mediocre appearance) made a very striking Black-ish woman

    Syondey, I suggest you start getting out of the house more.

    Have to remember, Truth, I was comparing Dolezal to actual Black women. Looking better than the Black female mean is something of a low bar……

  186. @Truth
    @syonredux

    I'm closer to dead than born, but actuarial tables say I still have 30 whole years left.

    Replies: @syonredux

    I’m closer to dead than born, but actuarial tables say I still have 30 whole years left.

    And yet I’m pretty sure that you would prefer having an extra 40 or 50…..

    Every millimeter closer to Whiteness counts, dear fellow. Just ask Kidada Jones about her sister Rashida….

  187. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas

    As American becomes less white (and the wrong kind of white) gerrymandering becomes less effective. After the 2010 census redistricting, the township where I live (lots of college educated upscale whites who nowadays lean Democrat) got detached from the Republican district to our west (so that it would remain a safe Republican seat) and attached to a black district in Philadelphia. Last year they sent our Congressman ("Chaka Fattah") to jail for corruption but his replacement was another black Democrat from the city - my congressman will be a black Democrat forever now. You can only throw so many whites overboard before there are not enough left to support a "safe" district.

    Replies: @bored identity

    ” As American becomes less white (and the wrong kind of white) …”

    Would you be so kind to elaborate on the above proposed taxonomy of Wrong Whites?

    Is it really only about nature/nurture and negative selection?

    Or, we also have a moxie to address issue of …hmmm …Tribal Nuances among Whites?

    Either way, I’m simply white-dying of curiosity to see Tdzak’s Top Five of W.W.

  188. @Ed
    @Triumph104

    A new white entrant, from North Dakota: https://twitter.com/cnn/status/849739929320132608

    Replies: @Triumph104

    I mentioned the eight Ivy League white Fargo teen in another post about CNN. I just wanted to list non-black children of immigrants in the post you responded to. I don’t believe the Fargo teen is the child of immigrants, although I am not certain.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/white-death-and-black-privilege/#comment-1825304

    • Replies: @keuril
    @Triumph104


    I don’t believe the Fargo teen is the child of immigrants, although I am not certain.
     
    There are many ridiculously accomplished seniors in a country that produces four million 18 year olds per year, but very, very few of them hail from NORTH DAKOTA. His results might have been very different coming out of a Boston or Manhattan prep school. By contrast, the girl with parents from India, who was at the top of her class at Thomas Jefferson (one of, if not the most selective and competitive public schools in the country) and had some very cool extracurriculars, I think schools just let her in because she is awesome.
  189. keuril says:
    @Jack D
    @Truth

    Magic 8 Ball says:

    Yes

    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1759685-4-0-2400-valedictorian-rejected-waitlisted-from-all-top-choices.html

    Replies: @keuril

    It’s not surprising that he didn’t get into HYPSM, as his extracurriculars and awards are “standard strong,” while those schools have so many Asian applicants with similar stats that the battle is really over ECs—how unique they are, how well developed, how well expressed in the essays. However, a girl with his stats probably would have gotten into MIT (double the admit rate for females, against a less competitive pool). The lower-level Ivies, Duke, JHU don’t require as much polish on the ECs, but when a high stats kid like this applies to them regular decision, they may simply reject him because they figure he will get into some place better—aka “Tufts Syndrome.” Wash U is a notorious practioner of Tufts Syndrome (as is Tufts!).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @keuril

    What you say is perfectly true, but what happened to MLK's "judging people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin"? (or gender). Instead of being LESS race and gender conscious, we are more - one set of admission criteria for blacks, a double standard for Asians, yet a different one for females at MIT - what fresh hell is this?

  190. @res
    @Jack D


    Only 3,500 people received a settlement, not 500,000. If there were more people who could be connected to Vioxx they would have gotten on the law suit gravy train.
     
    Jack, you are smart enough to understand the difference between being able to establish a legally defensible connection between Vioxx and a death and being able to infer the size of a connection from statistical trends. This bit of trivia from the NPR timeline linked below is worth noting: "The settlement lets Merck avoid the personal-injury lawsuits of some 47,000 plaintiffs" I'm not sure how those lawsuits relate to the ~3,500 numbers I see, e.g. http://www.rhllaw.com/Blog/2010/July/Families-of-Nearly-3-500-Deceased-Vioxx-Users-Re.aspx

    I see three different forms of estimates for Vioxx deaths:
    1. ~3,500 people received a settlement (you, link above, is this a complete number?).
    2. Scientists gave various estimates of excess Vioxx heart attack and sudden deaths from 28,000 to 160,000 based on the measured increased risk of heart attack and sudden death https://www.finance.senate.gov/download/david-graham http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp048286
    (Graham estimated of these 30-40% probably died)
    3. Ron Unz estimated from the overall behavior of mortality rates over time that Vioxx may have been responsible for up to 500,000 deaths.

    I think it likely that the truth lies between 2 and 3. I find the scientific estimates credible and think they require a better argument than the handwave you gave to rebut them. It's difficult to rigorously evaluate Ron's estimate, but I think it serves as a good guess at an upper bound. How many excess deaths do YOU estimate occurred because of Vioxx? Surely that would be more than the 3,500 you glibly quoted? It really does not inspire confidence to hear an accusation of overestimate accompanied by what is likely an order of magnitude or more underestimate (trying to establish a mental anchor?).

    It will be interesting to see if we end up having a rash of poor outcomes late in life after decades of people having been on prescription drugs.

    P.S. Re: "It lead to a slightly higher risk of having a heart attack"
    Do you consider a 3.7x increase in risk of heart attack or sudden cardiac death (compared to Celebrex) "slight" given that heart disease is the leading cause of mortality in the US?

    P.P.S. Detailed Vioxx timelines for anyone interested: https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/05/briefing/2005-4090B1_04_E-FDA-TAB-C.htm http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5470430

    Replies: @Jack D, @Yak-15

    I took Vioxx as a teenager to help with elbow tendinitis. It worked very well. I had zero heart issues as well.

  191. @Jack D
    @Ed

    It's not that they are simply unemployable - for those (crack addicts, etc.) there's no wage at which they would be employable - even free is too much.

    Rather, the problem (which a $15 minimum wage would exacerbate) is that there are many who are marginally employable. Let's say you have a high school student who is currently making $9/hr. pushing the buttons at the McDonald's cash register. She's not the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but that's OK for now, because her productivity is say $12 hr. so it's still profitable to keep her instead of having a longer line at lunchtime. But now you have to pay her $15/hr. So she isn't going to have a job at all. Either you are going to put in that ordering kiosk, or else since you are now paying $15/hr you are going to be able to recruit more talented people to do the job or else people are just going to have to wait in line longer, but you're not going to lose money on her no matter what (unless they pass another law saying you can't fire her).

    Replies: @Yak-15

    I think about this as well. But the trick going forward is to have a concerted push to create wage inflation and erode the student debt burden of legacy American population. This would involve wage nudges like increases in minimum wage as well as other inflationary policies. Seems that some in the academic community are pushing for this idea.

    Of course, the problem with this is that it’s merely treating a symptom of the complete economic inefficiency and insolvency of the current system.

  192. @anarchyst
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Assad didn't do it...Mossad did...

    Replies: @Yak-15

    It seems illogical to use chemical weapons in such small quantities. If you’re going to earn the eire of the world, why not kill thousands or more to achieve some sort of tactical or strategic advantage? Such a small release appears stupid unless it’s testing the waters for a greater employment of chemical weapons.

  193. keuril says:
    @Triumph104
    @Ed

    I mentioned the eight Ivy League white Fargo teen in another post about CNN. I just wanted to list non-black children of immigrants in the post you responded to. I don't believe the Fargo teen is the child of immigrants, although I am not certain.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/white-death-and-black-privilege/#comment-1825304

    Replies: @keuril

    I don’t believe the Fargo teen is the child of immigrants, although I am not certain.

    There are many ridiculously accomplished seniors in a country that produces four million 18 year olds per year, but very, very few of them hail from NORTH DAKOTA. His results might have been very different coming out of a Boston or Manhattan prep school. By contrast, the girl with parents from India, who was at the top of her class at Thomas Jefferson (one of, if not the most selective and competitive public schools in the country) and had some very cool extracurriculars, I think schools just let her in because she is awesome.

  194. @Maj. Kong
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That would depend on who is in power in the US, a leftist administration would use the US bases and the Turkish Army (largest in NATO) to coerce electoral fraud or launch an open coup a la 1956 Hungary. (quite the irony)

    Continued ethnoreligious tensions, and possible escalation, are dependent on the state of the economy. Blair won three elections under a boom, and Brown could have won a fourth in 2008 but chickened out.

    The Middle East also has a chance of stabilization in the 2020s, as the surplus of angry young men has been cut down. Gulf Arab fertility is also heading towards bust.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    By then, the current US establishment won’t have power anymore. I predict that within the next decade, our current establishment will be mostly out of power. There will still be leftists, but they’ll be more of the Sanders/Nader variety. The globalists won’t run the left or right anymore.

    The economy increasingly doesn’t need human workers. Humans are becoming superfluous, as robots begin to take over. In the long term, that’s not a recipe for good times. The future will see ethno-religious tension and economic tension. So extremist parties (both far-left and far-right) will flourish. However, given how abrasive and conquest obsessed Muslims can be, they’ll likely alienate much of the population. Which is why I’d bet on populist ethnonationalists, like Le Pen and Wilders.

  195. @Truth
    @Triumph104

    Hey, and he's a white BOY too! Allow me to translate this article into Ebonics for you, Yakey...

    Sid'down and shu'cho Hunkeh-azz up!

    Replies: @Yak-15

    Clearly he got in because of his privilege. Nauseating. Johnny Cochrane is rolling in his grave!

  196. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    If you look at a place like Sweden, or even Germany, there's very little sign of backlash. It's just all nice white ladies all they way down. Maybe there will be a backlash someday but it will be too late. Hillary and all her experts thought (and not without good reason) that it was too late for an American white backlash and it ALMOST was - it was a close run thing. And it's not really over - they still think Trump is a passing fad and soon things will go back to "normal".

    There's always the possibility that by the time you awake to the danger it's too late to do anything about it. People engage in protective denial a lot. Western societies are full of denial now. Part of the reason why Jews did not mount an effective resistance to the Holocaust is that they literally refused to believe what was happening. There were a few people who managed to escape from the extermination camps and when they went back to Warsaw or Lodz or whatever and told the community where those trains were going they were simply disbelieved. Part of it was that it was unprecedented but part of it was just protective denial because it was too big a problem to deal with in any normal way. The Polish resistance actually smuggled someone into a death camp and then back out to the US in order to give an eye witness account to Felix Frankfurter and he did the same thing - "Sorry I can't believe you." And then he did nothing.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    nice white ladies

    You’re channeling Whiskey now.

    Maybe there will be a backlash someday but it will be too late.

    Most Euro countries are still about 90% white. So, no, even in 10 years it won’t be too late. America is barely 63% white now, so the situation is different here.

    There’s always the possibility that by the time you awake to the danger it’s too late to do anything about it. People engage in protective denial a lot. Western societies are full of denial now.

    Depends. When you turn up the heat enough, even the frog jumps out of the boiling water. In that way, everything we see now (rape gangs, sociopathic refugees, terrorism) is turning up the heat too much. Even liberals just can’t ignore this. You already see what’s happening in France and the Netherlands. In 5 years, it’ll be that much more intense. Just a matter of time.

    Part of the reason why Jews did not mount an effective resistance to the Holocaust is that they literally refused to believe what was happening.

    The problem was that the Jews were only a small percentage of the population of various Euro countries. Their realization, after the end of WWII, was that they should form the majority of the population in a nation so they would never again be at the mercy of any other ethnic group. From that, came Israel.

    When you are in the majority, you can still win. Since Muslims are still only 5-10% of the population of Western Europe, there’s still time. Maybe in 100 years, there won’t be time. Fortunately, I don’t think are present political order will exist even in 10 years.

  197. @SMK
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Within a decade or two, ethnonationalists in Germany, France, Sweden, England, Holland, and other nations in Western as opposed to Eastern Europe -myriads of people, including politicians, who oppose Muslim and black immigration and criticize and tell the truth about black crime and Muslim crime and terrorism and the like- will be in prison for violating "hate-speech" laws.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    When the establishment is strong, you can do that. When the establishment finally collapses, as it will do, then it can’t contain these ethno-nationalist forces anymore. For better and worse, I see a lot of countries going through immense turmoil in the future due to debt crises, robots automating away human jobs, and exploding ethnic tensions.

    In France, even if all Muslim immigration were ended tomorrow -which will never happen, of course, since anti-white leftists control almost everything- the nation would be destined to become a Muslim-majority hell-hole given the disparate birthrates between French (alarmingly below the replacement level of 2.1 children per woman) and Muslim women.

    There’s going to need to be mass expulsions of Muslims from Western Europe. Alternative, there could be a cutback in the welfare state, which would send their birthrates plummeting.

  198. @Chrisnonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I've never seen opioids advertised directly to the public nor heard of opioids being promoted to doctors by sales reps. Their mechanism of action, benefits, and proper uses are relatively well-understood by the medical community, so there's not so much room for manipulation. Opioids are controlled substances requiring a prescription to get legally. I don't see much of a role for Big Pharma in the White Death epidemic, despite their being despicable for others things.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Americans are 5% of the world’s population and consume 80% of the world’s opioids.

    Americans are in more pain than any other population around the world. At least, that’s the conclusion that can be drawn from one startling number from recent years: Approximately 80 percent of the global opioid supply is consumed in the United States.

    Pain drugs are the second-largest pharmaceutical class globally, after cancer medicines. “There was about 300 million pain prescriptions written in 2015,” Irina Koffler, senior analyst, specialty pharma, Mizuho Securities USA, told CNBC.

    The 300 million pain prescriptions equal a $24 billion market, Koffler said, but it’s not a market evenly divided around the globe. Rampant use of opioids in the United States, which represents only 5 percent of the global population, points to a larger divide between affluent nations and the rest of the world when it comes to prescription painkillers.

    Big Pharma hired 1,300 lobbyists to fight limitation on painkillers.

    Big Pharma bribed docs too.

    • Replies: @Opie
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A jewish family, the Sackler's, is largely responsible for the opioid epidemic. You should write about this, Steve.

    http://m.theweek.com/articles/541564/how-american-opiate-epidemic-started-by-pharmaceutical-company

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes, lobbying against regulation is bad, but overall, I still think the problem has to be laid mostly at the feet of the medical community, the prescribers who control the floodgates. They don't have to be regulated to change their behavior.

  199. @Jack D
    @Anon

    And that would be?

    Replies: @Anon

    Cause it wasn’t happening. You new to how our fabulist mythmaking elite operate, amigo?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon

    In that case, I want my grandparents back and my aunt and uncles and cousins. I want them all back.

  200. @anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    People who take drugs are to blame for their problems. The negative effects are universally known. If they choose to ignore this then they take responsibility for the results. You could fill my swimming pool with opiates and I would not be tempted to try even one pill.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    People who didn’t go to medical school are to blame for their problems. The negative effects of not having a medical degree are universally known. If they choose to ignore this then they take responsibility for the results. You could flood my neighborhood with foreign low-wage workers and I would still always have a job.

    These are the type of posts that I find utterly remarkable. There are people here who worship big business to the same bizarre extent the liberals worship minorities.

    People here can mock the left for their blind spot on immigration, but I think a lot of conservatives are equally mockable.

    If Big Pharma kills hundreds of thousands of Americans, we must not criticize them. Because free-market.

    Actually, if Big Pharma kills hundreds of thousands, we should actually defend them. America has socialist privilege. Socialists are somehow responsible for this. I don’t have any sensible theory that connects socialism with the opioid epidemic, but that doesn’t matter. Just remember 3 things. 1.) Free-market good, socialists bad. 2.) Socialists are responsible for everything that goes wrong in America. 3.) If Big Pharma was less than perfect, socialists somehow did that.

    Replace [Big Pharma] with [minorities]. Replace [socialists] with [white males]. You could be reading a NYTimes article.

  201. @Federalist
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "I suppose it’s because many people here are conservatives, so they consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system and immoral to argue for 'Big Government Socialism.'"

    I think that there is quite a bit of criticism of the free-market economic system here. This isn't National Review. A really free market means open borders and moving jobs overseas (basically, a free labor market). Also, it means multinational corporations without loyalty to any nation and the free flow of capital across national boundaries. Free trade is NAFTA and TPP. Free trade is rootless capitalism that treats each person as a consumer only and is opposed to tradition, nationalism, affinity for the land of one's birth, etc.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    I think that there is quite a bit of criticism of the free-market economic system here.

    Very little. Other than criticizing corporations for immigration and being too deferential to PC – and occasionally mentioning outsourcing.

    The general view here is that corporations go wrong when they embrace globalism and PC. Other than that, corporations don’t really do much wrong. The average poster here likes corporations about as much as the NYT loves minorities. Their bizarre fetish keeps them from any real critique.

    I noticed that you didn’t mention Big Pharma anywhere in your post.

    • Replies: @Federalist
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yeah. "Other than" the four different criticisms of corporations that even you mention (immigration, PC, globalism, and outsourcing), there is very little criticism here. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? Who has the corporation fetish?

    And before I forget: Big Pharma.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  202. @Thea
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes, truly Cognitive dissonance affects everyone, right or left.

    Yes Big pharma is part of the problem.

    Some of us commenters call out corporations regularly.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Some of us commenters call out corporations regularly.

    Not enough. I looked through a lot of the discussions here on the White Death. It’s remarkable how many people didn’t even mention Big Pharma. Even when they do, it gets 1-2 lines in a post.

    If I didn’t know better, I’d think most people here are pharmaceutical company reps.

    It’s sad to see whites kiss the rear end of minorities, but get nothing in return. It’s equally sad to see many people here ignore (or defend) Big Pharma’s machinations, despite not actually working for any of these pharma companies. It is totally bizarre that lots of random internet posters (few of whom are wealthy shareholders or execs) would do that.

    There are some more astute posters, but they get drowned out by everyone who blames “Big Govt”, liberals, blacks, etc.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Purdue Delenda Est.

    Okay for you?

  203. @keuril
    @Jack D

    It's not surprising that he didn't get into HYPSM, as his extracurriculars and awards are "standard strong," while those schools have so many Asian applicants with similar stats that the battle is really over ECs—how unique they are, how well developed, how well expressed in the essays. However, a girl with his stats probably would have gotten into MIT (double the admit rate for females, against a less competitive pool). The lower-level Ivies, Duke, JHU don't require as much polish on the ECs, but when a high stats kid like this applies to them regular decision, they may simply reject him because they figure he will get into some place better—aka "Tufts Syndrome." Wash U is a notorious practioner of Tufts Syndrome (as is Tufts!).

    Replies: @Jack D

    What you say is perfectly true, but what happened to MLK’s “judging people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin”? (or gender). Instead of being LESS race and gender conscious, we are more – one set of admission criteria for blacks, a double standard for Asians, yet a different one for females at MIT – what fresh hell is this?

  204. @bomag
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Interestingly, none of these posters ever explained how the other Anglo/Euro nations weren’t seeing their death rate spike despite having lots of feminists, relativists, liberals, gays, etc.
     
    Other Anglo/Euro nations manifest the effects differently. Funding rape gangs seems to be their way of expressing the effects.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    What does that have to do with Big Pharma or the white death? Big Pharma killed hundreds of thousands and you want to change the topic to Muslims.

    The rape gang thing is because they get lots of Muslim immigrants.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @JohnnyWalker123

    My suggestion here was that Whites in both Europe and America have lost the "will to live" in equal measure. Americans manifest it in higher death rates; Europe manifests it by giving their countries away in an abject manner. Strong countries raise their own kids and repel foreigners. I don't see much of that in Europe, reflected in part by the high incidents of rape.

  205. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Chrisnonymous

    Americans are 5% of the world's population and consume 80% of the world's opioids.


    Americans are in more pain than any other population around the world. At least, that's the conclusion that can be drawn from one startling number from recent years: Approximately 80 percent of the global opioid supply is consumed in the United States.

    Pain drugs are the second-largest pharmaceutical class globally, after cancer medicines. "There was about 300 million pain prescriptions written in 2015," Irina Koffler, senior analyst, specialty pharma, Mizuho Securities USA, told CNBC.

    The 300 million pain prescriptions equal a $24 billion market, Koffler said, but it's not a market evenly divided around the globe. Rampant use of opioids in the United States, which represents only 5 percent of the global population, points to a larger divide between affluent nations and the rest of the world when it comes to prescription painkillers.
     
    Big Pharma hired 1,300 lobbyists to fight limitation on painkillers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPDZRTp_2A

    Big Pharma bribed docs too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U80q3AISReI

    Replies: @Opie, @Chrisnonymous

    A jewish family, the Sackler’s, is largely responsible for the opioid epidemic. You should write about this, Steve.

    http://m.theweek.com/articles/541564/how-american-opiate-epidemic-started-by-pharmaceutical-company

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Opie

    Interesting.

    I know that Purdue was one of the main villains in starting the opioid epidemic.

    I didn't know it was a Jewish-owned company. I assumed it was publicly trades.

    The ethnic angle is interesting.

    All of my above points (on oligarchs, corporate greed, lack of healthcare and drug treatment, wage inequality, "War on Terror" being a fraud and hurting people) still apply though.

    Replies: @utu

  206. @bomag
    @JohnnyWalker123


    When discussing the topic of the white death, look at the following factors:
    -The role proft-seeking Big Pharma played in flooding addictive painkillers into the mass market
    -The role “pill mill” doctors (who were bribed by Big Pharma) played in perscribing these pain killers
    -The lack of healthcare facilities and drug treatment centers
    - The 1+ million soldier injuries in the “War on Terror,” which has gotten many addicted to painkillers
    -A punitive approach to drugs, which would rather punish people than treat addiction as an illness
    -An oligarchic economic system in which the wealthy live lavishly, while the poor have a minimal safety net.
     
    Those are all fair game here, and have been mentioned often, including the rise of the Mexican drug trade; the meth epidemic; corporate shilling for all things bad, be it various "equality" measures, or the military-industrial love of war, etc.

    I don't "get the sense" that any of this is off the table.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    I’m one of the few that even mentions that impact of the Iraq War or the role of the military-industrial complex. There are posters here who get angry if you bring up Iraq, and dismiss you as a “conspiracy theorist” if you mention the exist of the military-industrial complex.

    This stuff is “off the table” in the sense that people don’t talk about it. If you bring it up, a lot of people just ignore it. Some people here even actively defend Big Pharma, the lack of single-payer healthcare, and the drug war.

    The posters here are mostly interested in criticizing blacks, immigrants, liberals, gays, cultural relativists, and feminists. So if you bring up criticism of any other group, especially a group that’s on the right (such as big business), people don’t know how to process that.

    Donut/PrissFactor/Anon has written literally tens of thousands of words on the white death. He spends a lot of time going after Jews, trashy pop culture, and blacks. Do you know one term that doesn’t appear in this posts? “Big Pharma.” Nothing to say on that.

    I remember a few years back, some establishment type wrote a big article on California’s decline. Not once did he mention immigration. The posters here found that hilarious and sad.

    I find it equally hilarious and sad that so many people here kiss the rear end of big business so much. Apparently, they can murder hundreds of thousands of whites and the response on this white nationalist site is……. silence.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Your mention of the Iraq war reminded me of something: all of the rank and file conservatives I know have completely memory-holed the war and behave as if it never happened. I was opposed to that senseless bloodbath from the beginning, but most of my friends and acquaintances thought it was a great idea. I don't think I've heard any of them speak of the war since about 2007.

    Republican voters need to talk about Iraq. What they enthusiastically supported was a crime against humanity. How many Iraqi lives were lost? How many American soldiers were killed or crippled? If we choose to forget we will never learn anything.

    And I still can't quite figure out why the PTB decided to start the war in the first place.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    , @Jake
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Big Business is NOT conservative in any meaningful sense. It is conservative in that it tires to screw as many of its workers and consumers as it can manage so that its profits keep rising. And in so doing, it harms families and thus helps the rise of the Left.

    Plus, the world of Big Business is nearly universally pro-globalist and therefore pro-mass immigration into the West, while also backing all things gay.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Stan Adams
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Steve has written at great length about the folly of the Invade the World/Invite the World philosophy that led to Bush's disastrous Iraq Attaq.

    Most commenters here seem to understand that, at the highest levels, the "left" and the "right" collude to screw everyone else. (Quite a few wealthy Republicans benefit from being able to hire Mexican laborers at cut-rate salaries.) Even economic conservatives recognize that our system all too often privatizes the profits and socializes the costs.

    If you're looking for support for an extensive wealth-redistribution scheme, such as a European-style welfare state, you're probably not going to find too much around here. Many if not most folks here would agree that most if not all of the money we already spend on social programs is squandered, and that the government is too incompetent, dysfunctional, delusional, and/or purposely destructive to be trusted with an even bigger pile of cash.

    Big Pharma can be a malignant force, no doubt about it. (I, myself, was wrung through the psychotropic ringer as a teenager, and it really screwed me up.) And the health-care racket is an ungodly waste of time and money that leads to unnecessary human suffering, to be sure.

    As for the military-industrial complex, I have a natural distrust of any organization with enough firepower to blow up the world. I opposed the Iraq War from the very beginning. (I was in college at the time, so it wasn't as if my opposition to the war meant anything to anyone besides myself.)

    For a long time, I was deeply skeptical of the official 9/11 story. I had no trouble believing that Bush probably knew about, or even perpetrated, the attacks to push his shadowy agenda. I believed that world events were orchestrated by a cabal of Bilderberger types: wealthy, powerful, sociopathic monsters who cared only about furthering their own goals; ogres who gave nary a thought to the little people they destroyed through their callous acts; tyrants driven only by selfishness, egotism, and greed.

    (And was I really off-base with that belief? I doubt that George Soros tosses and turns at night agonizing over the lives he's wrecked.)

    Ultimately, I agree with the Well-Manicured Man that survival is the ultimate ideology. I see a world of scarce resources and zero-sum games. I have no faith in the inherent decency of man; I believe that we are depraved and debased creatures who are kept in line primarily through fear. Our so-called leaders are merely the most-effective fearmongers, the most-adept manipulators. I'm no Randite, but I do agree that most of what we call "altruism" is, at best, a self-flattering delusion.

    So if you're telling me that major corporations tend to be soulless money-sucking abominations ... then, yeah, I agree with you. But what do you expect me to do about it? Mosey on over to the nearest shopping mall and start smashing windows, like some kind of anarchist? What would that accomplish, other than landing me behind bars?

    What is your ideal society? Sweden?

  207. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    All of Big Pharma is not implicated in the White Death. There are only a couple of companies (Purdue, etc.) who deal with that stuff. Most narcotics now are off patent and are cheap generics.

    The Vioxx #s are highly exaggerated. Only 3,500 people received a settlement, not 500,000. If there were more people who could be connected to Vioxx they would have gotten on the law suit gravy train. Vioxx didn't kill you like an overdose of Fentanyl. It lead to a slightly higher risk of having a heart attack sooner in old people who were going to have a heart attack soon anyway. It was just a lawyer's festival.

    Replies: @res, @JohnnyWalker123

    America consumes 80% of the world’s opioids. Something like 20% of American women are on an anti-depressant. Those are horrifying statistics.

    As for Vioxx, read this.

    A cursory examination of the most recent 15 years worth of national mortality data provided on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website offers some intriguing clues to this mystery. We find the largest rise in American mortality rates occurred in 1999, the year Vioxx was introduced, while the largest drop occurred in 2004, the year it was withdrawn. Vioxx was almost entirely marketed to the elderly, and these substantial changes in national death-rate were completely concentrated within the 65-plus population. The FDA studies had proven that use of Vioxx led to deaths from cardiovascular diseases such as heart attacks and strokes, and these were exactly the factors driving the changes in national mortality rates.
    The impact of these shifts was not small. After a decade of remaining roughly constant, the overall American death rate began a substantial decline in 2004, soon falling by approximately 5 percent, despite the continued aging of the population. This drop corresponds to roughly 100,000 fewer deaths per year. The age-adjusted decline in death rates was considerably greater.

    Ron Unz noted that there was a huge increase in mortality rates in 1999 (when Vioxx was introduced) and a huge fall in 2004 (when Vioxx was withdrawn). The increase/decrease was in senior citizens. Unz makes a convincing case that this was due to Vioxx.

    There could’ve been some other factor, but what could that factor have been? No one has identified that.

    In all likelihood, Merck poisoned a bunch of people and got off easy.

    • Agree: Thea
    • Replies: @Thea
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Pardon my French, but being on both anti-depressants ( why is life now about being haappy?) and birth control is one big mindf*ck for American women. Very damaging to our water supply & culture as well. Likely a cause for lower testosterone level, too.

  208. @Opie
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A jewish family, the Sackler's, is largely responsible for the opioid epidemic. You should write about this, Steve.

    http://m.theweek.com/articles/541564/how-american-opiate-epidemic-started-by-pharmaceutical-company

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Interesting.

    I know that Purdue was one of the main villains in starting the opioid epidemic.

    I didn’t know it was a Jewish-owned company. I assumed it was publicly trades.

    The ethnic angle is interesting.

    All of my above points (on oligarchs, corporate greed, lack of healthcare and drug treatment, wage inequality, “War on Terror” being a fraud and hurting people) still apply though.

    • Replies: @utu
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I did enjoy all your posts here. You have said many things that should have been said long time ago at this site.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  209. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Jack D

    America consumes 80% of the world's opioids. Something like 20% of American women are on an anti-depressant. Those are horrifying statistics.

    As for Vioxx, read this.


    A cursory examination of the most recent 15 years worth of national mortality data provided on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website offers some intriguing clues to this mystery. We find the largest rise in American mortality rates occurred in 1999, the year Vioxx was introduced, while the largest drop occurred in 2004, the year it was withdrawn. Vioxx was almost entirely marketed to the elderly, and these substantial changes in national death-rate were completely concentrated within the 65-plus population. The FDA studies had proven that use of Vioxx led to deaths from cardiovascular diseases such as heart attacks and strokes, and these were exactly the factors driving the changes in national mortality rates.
    The impact of these shifts was not small. After a decade of remaining roughly constant, the overall American death rate began a substantial decline in 2004, soon falling by approximately 5 percent, despite the continued aging of the population. This drop corresponds to roughly 100,000 fewer deaths per year. The age-adjusted decline in death rates was considerably greater.
     
    Ron Unz noted that there was a huge increase in mortality rates in 1999 (when Vioxx was introduced) and a huge fall in 2004 (when Vioxx was withdrawn). The increase/decrease was in senior citizens. Unz makes a convincing case that this was due to Vioxx.

    There could've been some other factor, but what could that factor have been? No one has identified that.

    In all likelihood, Merck poisoned a bunch of people and got off easy.

    Replies: @Thea

    Pardon my French, but being on both anti-depressants ( why is life now about being haappy?) and birth control is one big mindf*ck for American women. Very damaging to our water supply & culture as well. Likely a cause for lower testosterone level, too.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  210. @res
    @Jack D

    Relative risk is typically expressed as a ratio. It is also called risk ratio.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_risk
    What you are thinking of is absolute risk. Conflating the two of those is a staple of both alarmists and minimalists regarding risk so your cynicism/confusion is understandable.

    That changes your numbers a fair bit (say 2-5x or so). I think it should change your conclusions as well, but that is up to you. Note the importance of differentiating high and low dose treatment.

    Really, Jack, these aren't small effects. I'm not sure where you got your background knowledge on this, but IMHO there is a significant issue here. That the article in question both:
    1. Eventually appeared in the Lancet (I suspect you know this is one of the most prestigious medical journals: http://www.thelancet.com/lancet/about ).
    2. Was fought tooth and nail along the way (see my shamefulness links).
    should tell you something.

    That Merck paid (or agreed to, I'm guessing some of this was reduced quietly later, but don't have details) all of:
    1. $253 million verdict (this along with many Merck wins led to settlement--because uncertainty): http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2006/06/16/lanier-enters-253-million-merck-vioxx-judgment-finally/
    2. $4.85 billion to settle the remaining 27,000 lawsuits: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/business/09merck.html (also see comments regarding $600 million annual legal fees, you were definitely right about it being a lawyer's festival)
    3. $830 million to settle the related shareholder lawsuit: https://www.wsj.com/articles/merck-to-pay-830-million-to-settle-vioxx-shareholder-suit-1452866882
    should also tell you something. Especially given how hard (impossible?) it is to establish a smoking gun causal link for any one case.

    Replies: @Jack D, @JohnnyWalker123

    Good comments on Vioxx.

  211. @res
    @Jack D

    You make a good point about the way settling works in practice. In this case I think they got it right though. It looks like Vioxx really did significantly increase heart attacks and cardiac death, and I think it's hard to argue that the behavior of either Merck or the FDA through all of this was acceptable. Just because it is (probably) impossible to definitively tie any single death to Vioxx does not mean Merck should not have faced consequences. That said, the lottery ticket aspect of this (some get millions while others just get death, and the lawyers get rich) bothers me and I agree the problem of marginal cases resulting in death of a thousand cuts is an issue. As much as our legal system annoys me at times I'm not sure there are any better examples out there though.

    The sad part is that even with a multi-billion dollar settlement and the other costs I think Merck still made a profit on Vioxx overall (perhaps not if including the hard to quantify reputation hit). I think we both know what that implies for next time.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Moral Hazard.

    Good 1 minute video.

    Wall Street takes crazy risks. When the risk pays off, they profit. When the risk doesn’t pay off, they get bailed out. They also do a lot of insider-trading on the side and engage in cartel-type behaviors (fixing Libor, establishing a standard commission on I-banking, etc), but seem to never get punished. Not surprisingly, they never change.

  212. @Glossy
    @Seth Largo

    Steve said that Anglo-Saxons are less interested in extended families than anybody else on earth. That's false. In reality Scandinavians are less interested in extended familes than any other group on earth.

    Steve is smart, but he knows nothing of value, nothing beyond the most trivial, superficial stuff about any culture other than his own. And I don't blame him for that - it's un-American to be interested in such topics. What I blame him for is pretending to know.

    I remember him once speculating that Xi Jinpin's wife might have been a prostitute because she used to sing for Chinese troops. This would have been back in the 1980s. That's even funnier than this Anglo-Saxon stuff.

    Replies: @Jake

    I assume you know that Scandinavians are linguistically and culturally Germanic – just like Angles and Saxons. I assume you know that the Anglo-Saxon epic Beowulf is set exclusively in Scandinavia.

    One of the obvious inferences that should be drawn from those facts is that in any number of comparisons between Scandinavians and English, there will be very close findings. One analyst may say the English are The Most at something, and the other analyst will name the Scandinavians. A person who blasts either analyst for what is a slight difference in assessment is at best a ridiculous pedant. And he might have axes to grind.

    If you click on the link Sailer provides, you will see that his chart shows that there are other European areas that are little interested in extended family as are Anglo-Saxons. They include the exact parts of Scandinavia that clearly mattered to Late Dark Ages Anglo-Saxons, as well as eras that such Northern Germanics settled in the Low Countries and France.

  213. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Thea


    Some of us commenters call out corporations regularly.
     
    Not enough. I looked through a lot of the discussions here on the White Death. It's remarkable how many people didn't even mention Big Pharma. Even when they do, it gets 1-2 lines in a post.

    If I didn't know better, I'd think most people here are pharmaceutical company reps.

    It's sad to see whites kiss the rear end of minorities, but get nothing in return. It's equally sad to see many people here ignore (or defend) Big Pharma's machinations, despite not actually working for any of these pharma companies. It is totally bizarre that lots of random internet posters (few of whom are wealthy shareholders or execs) would do that.

    There are some more astute posters, but they get drowned out by everyone who blames "Big Govt", liberals, blacks, etc.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Purdue Delenda Est.

    Okay for you?

  214. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Opie

    Interesting.

    I know that Purdue was one of the main villains in starting the opioid epidemic.

    I didn't know it was a Jewish-owned company. I assumed it was publicly trades.

    The ethnic angle is interesting.

    All of my above points (on oligarchs, corporate greed, lack of healthcare and drug treatment, wage inequality, "War on Terror" being a fraud and hurting people) still apply though.

    Replies: @utu

    I did enjoy all your posts here. You have said many things that should have been said long time ago at this site.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @utu

    Thanks.

  215. @JohnnyWalker123
    @bomag

    I'm one of the few that even mentions that impact of the Iraq War or the role of the military-industrial complex. There are posters here who get angry if you bring up Iraq, and dismiss you as a "conspiracy theorist" if you mention the exist of the military-industrial complex.

    This stuff is "off the table" in the sense that people don't talk about it. If you bring it up, a lot of people just ignore it. Some people here even actively defend Big Pharma, the lack of single-payer healthcare, and the drug war.

    The posters here are mostly interested in criticizing blacks, immigrants, liberals, gays, cultural relativists, and feminists. So if you bring up criticism of any other group, especially a group that's on the right (such as big business), people don't know how to process that.

    Donut/PrissFactor/Anon has written literally tens of thousands of words on the white death. He spends a lot of time going after Jews, trashy pop culture, and blacks. Do you know one term that doesn't appear in this posts? "Big Pharma." Nothing to say on that.

    I remember a few years back, some establishment type wrote a big article on California's decline. Not once did he mention immigration. The posters here found that hilarious and sad.

    I find it equally hilarious and sad that so many people here kiss the rear end of big business so much. Apparently, they can murder hundreds of thousands of whites and the response on this white nationalist site is....... silence.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Jake, @Stan Adams

    Your mention of the Iraq war reminded me of something: all of the rank and file conservatives I know have completely memory-holed the war and behave as if it never happened. I was opposed to that senseless bloodbath from the beginning, but most of my friends and acquaintances thought it was a great idea. I don’t think I’ve heard any of them speak of the war since about 2007.

    Republican voters need to talk about Iraq. What they enthusiastically supported was a crime against humanity. How many Iraqi lives were lost? How many American soldiers were killed or crippled? If we choose to forget we will never learn anything.

    And I still can’t quite figure out why the PTB decided to start the war in the first place.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Stealth

    all of the rank and file conservatives I know have completely memory-holed the war and behave as if it never happened... I don’t think I’ve heard any of them speak of the war since about 2007.

    True, but even more silence from the rabid Iraq war opponents since, say, Jan. 20, 2009.

  216. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Federalist


    I think that there is quite a bit of criticism of the free-market economic system here.
     
    Very little. Other than criticizing corporations for immigration and being too deferential to PC - and occasionally mentioning outsourcing.

    The general view here is that corporations go wrong when they embrace globalism and PC. Other than that, corporations don't really do much wrong. The average poster here likes corporations about as much as the NYT loves minorities. Their bizarre fetish keeps them from any real critique.

    I noticed that you didn't mention Big Pharma anywhere in your post.

    Replies: @Federalist

    Yeah. “Other than” the four different criticisms of corporations that even you mention (immigration, PC, globalism, and outsourcing), there is very little criticism here. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? Who has the corporation fetish?

    And before I forget: Big Pharma.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Federalist


    And before I forget: Big Pharma.
     
    Out of your 200+ comments here and 20,000 words, this is the first time you mentioned it.

    Yeah. “Other than” the four different criticisms of corporations that even you mention (immigration, PC, globalism, and outsourcing), there is very little criticism here.
     
    Most people here are what you called racialist-nativists. So they'll attack a corporation being too nice to foreigners/outsiders, but that's about it. Immigration, PC, globalism, and outsourcing are just examples of excessive generosity toward foreigners. Their main critique of modern day American leaders (whether it be businessmen, politicians, journalists, etc.) is that they're insufficiently racialist-nativist.

    To be fair, I do think that our leaders are insufficiently loyal to our country, but that's not the only critique I'd made. Plenty of other problems.

    On anything else, there's general silence or apathy. Contractors (including Dick Cheney's Haliburton) made billions off the Iraq War and very few people seem to care. Big Pharma poisoned hundreds of thousands and most of the posters here blame the left. Corporate-owned media has consolidated most of the papers and networks.

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? Who has the corporation fetish?</
     
    So you think that hundreds of thousands of pharma-driven deaths is a minor detail? Billions in contractor fraud is a minor detail?

    Replies: @Federalist

  217. @utu
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I did enjoy all your posts here. You have said many things that should have been said long time ago at this site.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks.

  218. @JohnnyWalker123
    @bomag

    I'm one of the few that even mentions that impact of the Iraq War or the role of the military-industrial complex. There are posters here who get angry if you bring up Iraq, and dismiss you as a "conspiracy theorist" if you mention the exist of the military-industrial complex.

    This stuff is "off the table" in the sense that people don't talk about it. If you bring it up, a lot of people just ignore it. Some people here even actively defend Big Pharma, the lack of single-payer healthcare, and the drug war.

    The posters here are mostly interested in criticizing blacks, immigrants, liberals, gays, cultural relativists, and feminists. So if you bring up criticism of any other group, especially a group that's on the right (such as big business), people don't know how to process that.

    Donut/PrissFactor/Anon has written literally tens of thousands of words on the white death. He spends a lot of time going after Jews, trashy pop culture, and blacks. Do you know one term that doesn't appear in this posts? "Big Pharma." Nothing to say on that.

    I remember a few years back, some establishment type wrote a big article on California's decline. Not once did he mention immigration. The posters here found that hilarious and sad.

    I find it equally hilarious and sad that so many people here kiss the rear end of big business so much. Apparently, they can murder hundreds of thousands of whites and the response on this white nationalist site is....... silence.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Jake, @Stan Adams

    Big Business is NOT conservative in any meaningful sense. It is conservative in that it tires to screw as many of its workers and consumers as it can manage so that its profits keep rising. And in so doing, it harms families and thus helps the rise of the Left.

    Plus, the world of Big Business is nearly universally pro-globalist and therefore pro-mass immigration into the West, while also backing all things gay.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Jake

    Despite all that, most conservatives are fiercely defensive of big business.

    Here's the thread in which Unz's Vioxx article was mentioned.

    A huge percentage of the commenters either were off-topic or defended Merck.

    Here's my favorite comment from that thread.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/04/unz-chinese-scandals-v-american.html



    Look at "conservatives" in these here comments lining up to defend a pharmaceutical company that actively suppressed evidence that its drug was more dangerous than advertised.

    Keep up the good work!
     
  219. @Federalist
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yeah. "Other than" the four different criticisms of corporations that even you mention (immigration, PC, globalism, and outsourcing), there is very little criticism here. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? Who has the corporation fetish?

    And before I forget: Big Pharma.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    And before I forget: Big Pharma.

    Out of your 200+ comments here and 20,000 words, this is the first time you mentioned it.

    Yeah. “Other than” the four different criticisms of corporations that even you mention (immigration, PC, globalism, and outsourcing), there is very little criticism here.

    Most people here are what you called racialist-nativists. So they’ll attack a corporation being too nice to foreigners/outsiders, but that’s about it. Immigration, PC, globalism, and outsourcing are just examples of excessive generosity toward foreigners. Their main critique of modern day American leaders (whether it be businessmen, politicians, journalists, etc.) is that they’re insufficiently racialist-nativist.

    To be fair, I do think that our leaders are insufficiently loyal to our country, but that’s not the only critique I’d made. Plenty of other problems.

    On anything else, there’s general silence or apathy. Contractors (including Dick Cheney’s Haliburton) made billions off the Iraq War and very few people seem to care. Big Pharma poisoned hundreds of thousands and most of the posters here blame the left. Corporate-owned media has consolidated most of the papers and networks.

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? Who has the corporation fetish?</

    So you think that hundreds of thousands of pharma-driven deaths is a minor detail? Billions in contractor fraud is a minor detail?

    • Replies: @Federalist
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You said that many people here consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system. In my original response to you, I said that I think that there is quite a bit of criticism here of the free-market system. I was only talking about the level of criticism of the free-market economic system. I hadn't disputed or even commented on anything you said about addiction, Vioxx, pharmaceutical companies, etc. Out of nowhere, you criticized me for not mentioning Big Pharma in my post. Why was I supposed to mention it?

    Now, out of nowhere, you bring up Dick Cheney and contractor fraud in the Iraq War. But since I didn't preemptively declare my opposition to contractor fraud, you ask if I think billions in contractor fraud is a minor detail.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  220. @Jake
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Big Business is NOT conservative in any meaningful sense. It is conservative in that it tires to screw as many of its workers and consumers as it can manage so that its profits keep rising. And in so doing, it harms families and thus helps the rise of the Left.

    Plus, the world of Big Business is nearly universally pro-globalist and therefore pro-mass immigration into the West, while also backing all things gay.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Despite all that, most conservatives are fiercely defensive of big business.

    Here’s the thread in which Unz’s Vioxx article was mentioned.

    A huge percentage of the commenters either were off-topic or defended Merck.

    Here’s my favorite comment from that thread.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/04/unz-chinese-scandals-v-american.html

    Look at “conservatives” in these here comments lining up to defend a pharmaceutical company that actively suppressed evidence that its drug was more dangerous than advertised.

    Keep up the good work!

  221. A white girl, Sarah Cameron, from Jenks, OK got into all eight Ivy League colleges. However she might be Cherokee. A Scottish man named Alexander Cameron lived among the Tennessee Cherokees for 15 years in the 1700s and fathered three children.

    http://www.fox25boston.com/news/oklahoma-senior-accepted-to-all-8-ivy-league-schools/509463596
    http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/entry.php?rec=175

  222. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Federalist


    And before I forget: Big Pharma.
     
    Out of your 200+ comments here and 20,000 words, this is the first time you mentioned it.

    Yeah. “Other than” the four different criticisms of corporations that even you mention (immigration, PC, globalism, and outsourcing), there is very little criticism here.
     
    Most people here are what you called racialist-nativists. So they'll attack a corporation being too nice to foreigners/outsiders, but that's about it. Immigration, PC, globalism, and outsourcing are just examples of excessive generosity toward foreigners. Their main critique of modern day American leaders (whether it be businessmen, politicians, journalists, etc.) is that they're insufficiently racialist-nativist.

    To be fair, I do think that our leaders are insufficiently loyal to our country, but that's not the only critique I'd made. Plenty of other problems.

    On anything else, there's general silence or apathy. Contractors (including Dick Cheney's Haliburton) made billions off the Iraq War and very few people seem to care. Big Pharma poisoned hundreds of thousands and most of the posters here blame the left. Corporate-owned media has consolidated most of the papers and networks.

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? Who has the corporation fetish?</
     
    So you think that hundreds of thousands of pharma-driven deaths is a minor detail? Billions in contractor fraud is a minor detail?

    Replies: @Federalist

    You said that many people here consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system. In my original response to you, I said that I think that there is quite a bit of criticism here of the free-market system. I was only talking about the level of criticism of the free-market economic system. I hadn’t disputed or even commented on anything you said about addiction, Vioxx, pharmaceutical companies, etc. Out of nowhere, you criticized me for not mentioning Big Pharma in my post. Why was I supposed to mention it?

    Now, out of nowhere, you bring up Dick Cheney and contractor fraud in the Iraq War. But since I didn’t preemptively declare my opposition to contractor fraud, you ask if I think billions in contractor fraud is a minor detail.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Federalist


    Why was I supposed to mention it?
     
    because it's killed hundreds of thousands of whites. To be fair, you only have 200 posts. So maybe there are only so many topics you can cover in that. However, lots of posters here have thousands of posts (many on the White Death) and don't mention Big Pharma at all. This is years after Ron Unz wrote a very good article on Vioxx that's referenced prominently on this site.

    But since I didn’t preemptively declare my opposition to contractor fraud, you ask if I think billions in contractor fraud is a minor detail.
     
    Here's what you said.

    Yeah. “Other than” the four different criticisms of corporations that even you mention (immigration, PC, globalism, and outsourcing), there is very little criticism here. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? Who has the corporation fetish?
     
    "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln" = a trivial detail. Unless I'm misinterpreting your remark.

    My point is this.

    - Corporations do a lot wrong
    - Being excessively globalist (pro-immigration, outsourcing, pro-PC) is one probem
    - However, there are many other issues too (such as fraud, flooding in lethal painkillers, manipulating politics, media consolidation)
    -The posters here are critical of globalism, but have surprisingly little to say about these other issues. For example, there's been extensive discussion of the white death here, but how many people here talk about the role that Merck and Purdue have played in flooding painkillers? People here seem remarkably apathetic about the machinations Big Business, unless there's something related to globalization.

    Don't take any comment personally, by the way. I think most of your comments (in the various comment threads) are actually pretty good and well-thought. My point is that too many people on the right are way too uncritical of Big Business. Some of them even actively defend Big Business.

    Remember that horse Boxer from Animal Farm? That's pretty much a good representation of all these conservatives that defend the corporatists. In the end, the corporate interests are not your friend and will sell you out. It's not just on globalism-related issues (immigration, trade, PC) on which they're bad - they're distrustworthy on other issues too. Do not trust them. They are mercenaries who live and die by their P&L statement.

    Corporations must be brought under regulation and control. The corporate interests and oligarchs can't be allowed to run the govt anymore. Their post-1980s growing influence is a threat to our democracy, our health, our demographics, and our way of life.

    Ron Unz had 3 article that I reccomend.

    One on Merck's drug Vioxx, which killed up to 500,00 Americans.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Another on our media that cover up important issues.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/our-american-pravda/

    A third on America's decline.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

    This is why I refuse to defend the corporate interests and oligarchs.
  223. @Federalist
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You said that many people here consider it immoral to criticize the free-market economic system. In my original response to you, I said that I think that there is quite a bit of criticism here of the free-market system. I was only talking about the level of criticism of the free-market economic system. I hadn't disputed or even commented on anything you said about addiction, Vioxx, pharmaceutical companies, etc. Out of nowhere, you criticized me for not mentioning Big Pharma in my post. Why was I supposed to mention it?

    Now, out of nowhere, you bring up Dick Cheney and contractor fraud in the Iraq War. But since I didn't preemptively declare my opposition to contractor fraud, you ask if I think billions in contractor fraud is a minor detail.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Why was I supposed to mention it?

    because it’s killed hundreds of thousands of whites. To be fair, you only have 200 posts. So maybe there are only so many topics you can cover in that. However, lots of posters here have thousands of posts (many on the White Death) and don’t mention Big Pharma at all. This is years after Ron Unz wrote a very good article on Vioxx that’s referenced prominently on this site.

    But since I didn’t preemptively declare my opposition to contractor fraud, you ask if I think billions in contractor fraud is a minor detail.

    Here’s what you said.

    Yeah. “Other than” the four different criticisms of corporations that even you mention (immigration, PC, globalism, and outsourcing), there is very little criticism here. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? Who has the corporation fetish?

    “Other than that Mrs. Lincoln” = a trivial detail. Unless I’m misinterpreting your remark.

    My point is this.

    – Corporations do a lot wrong
    – Being excessively globalist (pro-immigration, outsourcing, pro-PC) is one probem
    – However, there are many other issues too (such as fraud, flooding in lethal painkillers, manipulating politics, media consolidation)
    -The posters here are critical of globalism, but have surprisingly little to say about these other issues. For example, there’s been extensive discussion of the white death here, but how many people here talk about the role that Merck and Purdue have played in flooding painkillers? People here seem remarkably apathetic about the machinations Big Business, unless there’s something related to globalization.

    Don’t take any comment personally, by the way. I think most of your comments (in the various comment threads) are actually pretty good and well-thought. My point is that too many people on the right are way too uncritical of Big Business. Some of them even actively defend Big Business.

    Remember that horse Boxer from Animal Farm? That’s pretty much a good representation of all these conservatives that defend the corporatists. In the end, the corporate interests are not your friend and will sell you out. It’s not just on globalism-related issues (immigration, trade, PC) on which they’re bad – they’re distrustworthy on other issues too. Do not trust them. They are mercenaries who live and die by their P&L statement.

    Corporations must be brought under regulation and control. The corporate interests and oligarchs can’t be allowed to run the govt anymore. Their post-1980s growing influence is a threat to our democracy, our health, our demographics, and our way of life.

    Ron Unz had 3 article that I reccomend.

    One on Merck’s drug Vioxx, which killed up to 500,00 Americans.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    Another on our media that cover up important issues.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/our-american-pravda/

    A third on America’s decline.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

    This is why I refuse to defend the corporate interests and oligarchs.

  224. @Federalist
    @Jack D

    "Many credit their success to their parents' experiences growing up outside the US.
    'When I was growing up, my mom told me her own story of growing up in Somalia. My grandfather was a very revolutionary man in that he not only wanted to educate his sons, but also his daughters,' Khalif told the Star Tribune.
    "

    O.K. These kids may have done very well in school partly because they were inspired by their parents' stories of coming from Third World hellholes. But there are probably thousands of other equally smart kids out there who didn't get into any Ivy League schools. But those kids don't have black skin and so can't pass for regular American blacks. If you think that African immigrants don't count as "close enough" look at Obama. His mother was white and his father was African. Our first African-American president is not descended from slaves or anyone who lived under Jim Crow, or who was a potential victim of lynching or the Klan. After the Freedom Riders, Selma, all the marches, and sit-ins, etc., they had to bring in a ringer from the outside to be the first black president.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Morgan Freeman once declared that Obama was not a true black man because he had a “white mama” from Kansas:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2171751/Dont-forget-white-momma-Morgan-Freeman-says-Obama-black-President.html

    And Jesse Jackson once said that he wanted to “cut [Obama’s] nuts off” for “talking down to black people”:

    So don’t think that there weren’t any blacks who noticed that Barack wasn’t quite the bona fide brutha he sometimes (awkwardly) pretended to be.

    (Of course, they still voted for him … a fake brutha with an honest-to-God sista for a wife beats a real cracka every time. )

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Stan Adams

    Morgan Freeman once declared that Obama was not a true black man because he had a “white mama” from Kansas:

    Morgan Freeman also called Black History Month ridiculous.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRnTovm26I4

  225. @JohnnyWalker123
    @bomag

    I'm one of the few that even mentions that impact of the Iraq War or the role of the military-industrial complex. There are posters here who get angry if you bring up Iraq, and dismiss you as a "conspiracy theorist" if you mention the exist of the military-industrial complex.

    This stuff is "off the table" in the sense that people don't talk about it. If you bring it up, a lot of people just ignore it. Some people here even actively defend Big Pharma, the lack of single-payer healthcare, and the drug war.

    The posters here are mostly interested in criticizing blacks, immigrants, liberals, gays, cultural relativists, and feminists. So if you bring up criticism of any other group, especially a group that's on the right (such as big business), people don't know how to process that.

    Donut/PrissFactor/Anon has written literally tens of thousands of words on the white death. He spends a lot of time going after Jews, trashy pop culture, and blacks. Do you know one term that doesn't appear in this posts? "Big Pharma." Nothing to say on that.

    I remember a few years back, some establishment type wrote a big article on California's decline. Not once did he mention immigration. The posters here found that hilarious and sad.

    I find it equally hilarious and sad that so many people here kiss the rear end of big business so much. Apparently, they can murder hundreds of thousands of whites and the response on this white nationalist site is....... silence.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Jake, @Stan Adams

    Steve has written at great length about the folly of the Invade the World/Invite the World philosophy that led to Bush’s disastrous Iraq Attaq.

    Most commenters here seem to understand that, at the highest levels, the “left” and the “right” collude to screw everyone else. (Quite a few wealthy Republicans benefit from being able to hire Mexican laborers at cut-rate salaries.) Even economic conservatives recognize that our system all too often privatizes the profits and socializes the costs.

    If you’re looking for support for an extensive wealth-redistribution scheme, such as a European-style welfare state, you’re probably not going to find too much around here. Many if not most folks here would agree that most if not all of the money we already spend on social programs is squandered, and that the government is too incompetent, dysfunctional, delusional, and/or purposely destructive to be trusted with an even bigger pile of cash.

    Big Pharma can be a malignant force, no doubt about it. (I, myself, was wrung through the psychotropic ringer as a teenager, and it really screwed me up.) And the health-care racket is an ungodly waste of time and money that leads to unnecessary human suffering, to be sure.

    As for the military-industrial complex, I have a natural distrust of any organization with enough firepower to blow up the world. I opposed the Iraq War from the very beginning. (I was in college at the time, so it wasn’t as if my opposition to the war meant anything to anyone besides myself.)

    For a long time, I was deeply skeptical of the official 9/11 story. I had no trouble believing that Bush probably knew about, or even perpetrated, the attacks to push his shadowy agenda. I believed that world events were orchestrated by a cabal of Bilderberger types: wealthy, powerful, sociopathic monsters who cared only about furthering their own goals; ogres who gave nary a thought to the little people they destroyed through their callous acts; tyrants driven only by selfishness, egotism, and greed.

    (And was I really off-base with that belief? I doubt that George Soros tosses and turns at night agonizing over the lives he’s wrecked.)

    Ultimately, I agree with the Well-Manicured Man that survival is the ultimate ideology. I see a world of scarce resources and zero-sum games. I have no faith in the inherent decency of man; I believe that we are depraved and debased creatures who are kept in line primarily through fear. Our so-called leaders are merely the most-effective fearmongers, the most-adept manipulators. I’m no Randite, but I do agree that most of what we call “altruism” is, at best, a self-flattering delusion.

    So if you’re telling me that major corporations tend to be soulless money-sucking abominations … then, yeah, I agree with you. But what do you expect me to do about it? Mosey on over to the nearest shopping mall and start smashing windows, like some kind of anarchist? What would that accomplish, other than landing me behind bars?

    What is your ideal society? Sweden?

  226. @Jack D
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Saddam Hussein was the wily dictator of Iraq for 23 years . And then he was executed.

    Quadaffy was the clever dictator of Libya for 41 years. And then he was executed.

    That's the thing about being an evil dictator - you have to win every single time.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    In both cases they were overthrown by the US.

    How did that work out for the people of Iraq and Libya, for whose sake the US ostensibly acted?

  227. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Second, Americans traditionally don’t think systematically about family trees. The English language isn’t very precise about relationships beyond the nuclear family because Anglo-Saxons were less interested in extended family than anybody else on earth.”

    True but maybe there was an implicit sense of ‘extended family’ among the Anglos since Great Britain was an island nation apart from rest of Europe. So, even without actual extended families, the whole nation felt as an extended family.

    In contrast, areas that were constantly invaded by others — other Europeans, Moors, Muslims, etc — had less political and cultural stability, and this led to reliance on kinship for support and help.

    A nation that is homogeneous and geographically secure may have a feeling of national-extended-family even if most people settle for nuclear family arrangements.

    Also, the UK kept its monarchy that maintained a sense of national familyhood. Even the Russian Tsars didn’t have the kind of reverence that Queen Victoria did. When she died, it was really as if the mother of the nation died.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    The nuclear family is one of those Franklinian luxuries we used to be able to afford.

  228. @Anon
    "Second, Americans traditionally don’t think systematically about family trees. The English language isn’t very precise about relationships beyond the nuclear family because Anglo-Saxons were less interested in extended family than anybody else on earth."

    True but maybe there was an implicit sense of 'extended family' among the Anglos since Great Britain was an island nation apart from rest of Europe. So, even without actual extended families, the whole nation felt as an extended family.

    In contrast, areas that were constantly invaded by others --- other Europeans, Moors, Muslims, etc --- had less political and cultural stability, and this led to reliance on kinship for support and help.

    A nation that is homogeneous and geographically secure may have a feeling of national-extended-family even if most people settle for nuclear family arrangements.

    Also, the UK kept its monarchy that maintained a sense of national familyhood. Even the Russian Tsars didn't have the kind of reverence that Queen Victoria did. When she died, it was really as if the mother of the nation died.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The nuclear family is one of those Franklinian luxuries we used to be able to afford.

  229. @Anon
    @Jack D

    Cause it wasn't happening. You new to how our fabulist mythmaking elite operate, amigo?

    Replies: @Jack D

    In that case, I want my grandparents back and my aunt and uncles and cousins. I want them all back.

  230. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Chrisnonymous

    Americans are 5% of the world's population and consume 80% of the world's opioids.


    Americans are in more pain than any other population around the world. At least, that's the conclusion that can be drawn from one startling number from recent years: Approximately 80 percent of the global opioid supply is consumed in the United States.

    Pain drugs are the second-largest pharmaceutical class globally, after cancer medicines. "There was about 300 million pain prescriptions written in 2015," Irina Koffler, senior analyst, specialty pharma, Mizuho Securities USA, told CNBC.

    The 300 million pain prescriptions equal a $24 billion market, Koffler said, but it's not a market evenly divided around the globe. Rampant use of opioids in the United States, which represents only 5 percent of the global population, points to a larger divide between affluent nations and the rest of the world when it comes to prescription painkillers.
     
    Big Pharma hired 1,300 lobbyists to fight limitation on painkillers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPDZRTp_2A

    Big Pharma bribed docs too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U80q3AISReI

    Replies: @Opie, @Chrisnonymous

    Yes, lobbying against regulation is bad, but overall, I still think the problem has to be laid mostly at the feet of the medical community, the prescribers who control the floodgates. They don’t have to be regulated to change their behavior.

  231. @Truth
    @OilcanFloyd


    How many whites really enjoy watching blacks sing and dance?
     
    Why I'd say somewhere between 0 and 5.

    Replies: @Flip, @E. Rekshun

    As a teenage boy, I enjoyed watch Lola Falana and Tina Turner dance.

    • Replies: @Whoever
    @E. Rekshun

    My dad was a fan of Teresa Graves. I like both Johnny Mathis and Bruno Mars. As well as many others.

  232. @Truth
    @Buffalo Joe


    imagine if they served drinks.
     
    You'd spend all your time blubbering about how much you loved these dudes and bitching about Tyrod Taylor.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Truth, that was painfully close to the truth. next round’s on me.

  233. @Ivy
    @Jake

    Breaking Bad characters provided quite a look at elements of American culture that were only vague news stories. Imagine how those characters fit into more neighborhoods around the country (readers, maybe down your block?), and how their lives pan out. Uncle Jack, Skinny Pete, and Saul Goodman, among others in the supporting cast, had verisimilitude due to fine acting and superb writing. The cast left people wanting more and thinking about how their lives would be impacted if in similar circumstances.

    How many television shows provide the type of look past the two-dimensional portraits on so many shows?

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    Imagine how those characters fit into more neighborhoods around the country (readers, maybe down your block?

    Just click through the local mug shots in your local newspaper. Or search your County’s sex offender database. The derelicts are all over. We each probably pass by a dozen or more convicted felons every day.

  234. @Stealth
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Your mention of the Iraq war reminded me of something: all of the rank and file conservatives I know have completely memory-holed the war and behave as if it never happened. I was opposed to that senseless bloodbath from the beginning, but most of my friends and acquaintances thought it was a great idea. I don't think I've heard any of them speak of the war since about 2007.

    Republican voters need to talk about Iraq. What they enthusiastically supported was a crime against humanity. How many Iraqi lives were lost? How many American soldiers were killed or crippled? If we choose to forget we will never learn anything.

    And I still can't quite figure out why the PTB decided to start the war in the first place.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    all of the rank and file conservatives I know have completely memory-holed the war and behave as if it never happened… I don’t think I’ve heard any of them speak of the war since about 2007.

    True, but even more silence from the rabid Iraq war opponents since, say, Jan. 20, 2009.

  235. @Stan Adams
    @Federalist

    Morgan Freeman once declared that Obama was not a true black man because he had a "white mama" from Kansas:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2171751/Dont-forget-white-momma-Morgan-Freeman-says-Obama-black-President.html

    And Jesse Jackson once said that he wanted to "cut [Obama's] nuts off" for "talking down to black people":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wf6LnwRZXA

    So don't think that there weren't any blacks who noticed that Barack wasn't quite the bona fide brutha he sometimes (awkwardly) pretended to be.

    (Of course, they still voted for him ... a fake brutha with an honest-to-God sista for a wife beats a real cracka every time. )

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    Morgan Freeman once declared that Obama was not a true black man because he had a “white mama” from Kansas:

    Morgan Freeman also called Black History Month ridiculous.

  236. @E. Rekshun
    @Truth

    As a teenage boy, I enjoyed watch Lola Falana and Tina Turner dance.

    Replies: @Whoever

    My dad was a fan of Teresa Graves. I like both Johnny Mathis and Bruno Mars. As well as many others.

  237. @Jack D
    @keuril

    In the land of the blind, one eyed men are kings. In the affirmative action land of 85 IQ blacks, 120 IQ Igbos are kings (kangs?).

    Generally speaking, blacks in Ivy League Land get spotted around 300 points on the 2400 point SAT, so a black with a 2100 has the same chance as getting in as a white with 2400. Asians get a negative handicap (not sure how many points - it's a dirty secret and gets muddied because so many groups like Filipinos get thrown into the Asian bucket in order to muddy the waters further. If you mean Chinese or Korean, then it's a significant handicap).

    Replies: @Truth, @Gaslighting Hotep

    The SAT is scored by a computer, how does it know the exact race of the student?

  238. @JohnnyWalker123
    @bomag

    What does that have to do with Big Pharma or the white death? Big Pharma killed hundreds of thousands and you want to change the topic to Muslims.

    The rape gang thing is because they get lots of Muslim immigrants.

    Replies: @bomag

    My suggestion here was that Whites in both Europe and America have lost the “will to live” in equal measure. Americans manifest it in higher death rates; Europe manifests it by giving their countries away in an abject manner. Strong countries raise their own kids and repel foreigners. I don’t see much of that in Europe, reflected in part by the high incidents of rape.

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