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From the New York Times:

Which Statues Need to Come Down? You Decide
By EMILY BADGER, KATHLEEN A. FLYNN and SAMUEL JACOBY AUG. 29, 2017

Here’s the percentage of readers who supported taking each statue down

93% Nathan Bedford Forrest
84% Joe Paterno
84% Jefferson Davis
83% Roger B. Taney
79% Robert E. Lee
70% Strom Thurmond
56% Frank Rizzo
53% J. Marion Sims
53% ‘Silent Sam’
48% Stephen Foster
42% Andrew Jackson
31% Christopher Columbus
23% William McKinley
17% Theodore Roosevelt
8% Ulysses S. Grant
4% George Washington

Based on 15358 reader responses.

Others whose statues and memorials should have been asked about:

Thomas Jefferson
Woodrow Wilson
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (redlining, Japanese internment)
Earl Warren (Japanese interment, (giant crime wave))
Oliver Wendell Holmes (eugenics)
James Madison (slaveholder)
Sam Houston (anti-Mexican, slaveholder, frenemy of Cherokee)
Judah P. Benjamin (anti-Semitism)
POW grave markers in Madison and Boston
Confederate General Stand Watie
Scary Confederate flag-looking tiles in Times Square subway station
Traveler (USC mascot horse spelled kind of like Robert E. Lee’s famous Traveller horse)
Phantom (Robert E. Lee’s less famous horse)
Bruce Lee

Bill Clinton
Lenin
(18′ statue on Lower East Side)
Sacco and Vanzetti (Boston Public Library)
Balto (Central Park Zoo)

I’m not sure who would be against Balto, the heroic Siberian husky who led the sled team that carried medicine to Nome, Alaska during the 1925 diptheria epidemic, but in these sensitive times we must ask these difficult questions.

 
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  1. Balto should be safe. Spielberg’s company produced an animated movie portraying him as a mixed race (dog/wolf) ‘otherized’ victim, so he’s sort of covered by Spielberg’s Jewish privilege.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I dunno. There are a lot of cats in New York. Their anti-dogism might win out.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Increasingly it seems in popular culture, heroes can only be portrayed as "other": outcasts, lone-wolves, half-breeds, etc.
  2. Phantom, Robert E. Lee’s less famous horse, is obviously named after Lee Falk’s classic comic book character, The Phantom, who is a white man who rules over black people in a jungle cave in Africa.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    The Phantom, a benevolent superhero living among tribal Africans, was very popular in Sweden (as Fantomen). Perhaps it's because of how Sweden sees itself - superheroes of morality.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I remember Phantom comics from when I was a kid; I thought they were cool.
    , @bored identity
    And triggering doesn't end there;

    Original Phantom's father, also named Christopher Walker, had been a seaman since he was a young boy, and was the cabin boy on Christopher Columbus' ship, the Santa María, when he sailed to the Americas.


    The second Phantom married Marabella, the granddaughter of Christopher Columbus.

    Phantom surrounded himself with a guard of pigmy- minions , while above mentioned horse is pure breed Lipizzaner stalion.
  3. I want to ‘sanitize’ the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Jackhammer the stars of show businesses bigots, racists and misogynists and erase their memory

    • Replies: @Off The Street
    Next step after the Hollywood Walk of Fame would be the movie studios, television studios, talent agencies and fellow travelers that practice and refine Hate Acts daily.
  4. OK. Since destroying art the other side likes is part of the class war now, this would be a good time to remember those iSteve articles about very expensive contemporary art in rich people’s houses. I demand the destruction of that art. All of it.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    ... this would be a good time to remember those iSteve articles about very expensive contemporary art in rich people’s houses. I demand the destruction of that art. All of it.
     
    Put me down for some of that (destruction of) art!
    , @Olorin
    I can bring to this most worthy project a wide array of chainsaws, flamethrowers (weeders, but I can adapt), claymores, tannerite, .50 BMG rounds, and with a bit of help on the rental fees, a Husqvarna DXR 300 demo robot.
    , @bb753
    How about the Podesta brothers' perverse art collections?
  5. @Achilles
    Balto should be safe. Spielberg's company produced an animated movie portraying him as a mixed race (dog/wolf) 'otherized' victim, so he's sort of covered by Spielberg's Jewish privilege.

    I dunno. There are a lot of cats in New York. Their anti-dogism might win out.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I dunno. There are a lot of cats in New York. Their anti-dogism might win out.
     
    Many Muslims have negative feelings towards dogs.....

    In this episode, newlywed Arab-American Shadia tells Jeff, her Irish-American convert husband, that she does not want his dog to move with them to their new home. Shadia has allergies, and her asthma is exacerbated by the dog’s hair. This is an understandable and common dilemma. But Shadia bolsters her position with statements about the impermissibility for a Muslim to have dogs in the home. Her father will not pray in the house if the dog is there, she says, because dog hair is impure and a prayer space needs to be pure. Later, Shadia backs off from the religious argument, admitting that the main reason she doesn’t want a dog in the house is “I wasn’t raised with dogs; I’m not used to them.”
     
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ingrid-mattson/whats-up-with-muslims-and_b_1144819.html

    Islam forbids Muslims to keep dogs, and the punishment for that is that the one who does that loses one or two qiraats from his hasanaat (good deeds) each day. An exception has been made in the case of keeping dogs for hunting, guarding livestock and guarding crops.

    It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding, hunting or farming, one qiraat will be deducted from his reward each day.” Narrated by Muslim, 1575.

    It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding livestock or a dog that is trained for hunting, two qiraats will be deducted from his reward each day.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5163; Muslim, 1574.
     
    https://islamqa.info/en/69840
  6. This is game show gold. Three advocates for each granite-celeb get to plead history stuff; dress the rock in fish tights; impress with emotion; whatever. Every week one stale pale obelisk gets pulverised – the Tribe has spoken.

  7. Still don’t get all the Paterno hate.

    Is it really all about keeping white ethnics down?

    • Replies: @G Pinfold

    Still don't get all the Paterno hate.
     
    Read Steve's last Taki piece. It's all about shortcuts to intergenerational wealth transfer. It's always about this.
    , @TTSSYF
    I think it's because he apparently turned a blind eye to Sandusky's child sexual assaults.
    , @Guy de Champlagne

    Still don’t get all the Paterno hate.


     

    It's about opposition to child rape. I don't know how fair it is to tar Paterno with Sandusky's sins but people think he knew what Paterno was doing.

    And obsessing over football is hardly doing whites any good.

    , @anon
    Pitt alumnx can be very bitter. They look for any excuse to tear down the Blue and … WHITE!!!
    , @Anonymous
    Isn't it because of Jerry Sandusky and his raping boys (bullying)?
    , @Olorin
    Football religio-culture as it has existed in State College and other places is one of the biggest forces "keeping white ethnics down."

    Then there's that thing of Coach turning a blind eye to many reports of pedo activity by Sandusky over the course of decades.

    Not just the evil of ignoring evil, the sense of betrayal on the part of many people who considered Paterno incorruptible.

  8. Removing the statues is only stage one of the battle. The country will not be cleansed until the moral police enter every library, book store and home to destroy any hateful books, art, video and music. Freedom of speech doesn’t give you the right to listen to Ted Nugent’s music.

    Maybe we can get kids and spouses to inform on the rest of the family so we can prioritize.

  9. The Maine? Anti-Hispanic.

    Balto is too useful as a landmark. Meet me near Balto.

    All the statues on poet’s walk, starting with Shakespeare, that cultural expropriator.

    I just defended Silent Sam on tarheelblog. He represents a mere anonymous generic foot soldier alumnus. He’s not like Lee or Jeff Davis and most confederate privates owned no slaves. We usually sympathize with those merely defending their homeland placed in harm’s way by elites with noxious ideals, yada yada.

    Should we go rip up the Danville train tracks and firebomb Levon Helm’s widow’s house for having sung The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down too sympathetically?

    • Replies: @slumber_j

    All the statues on poet’s walk, starting with Shakespeare, that cultural expropriator.
     
    I dunno: considering that Fitz-Greene Halleck was probably homosexual, you're playing with fire here. From Central Park's website:

    A little farther north is Fitz-Greene Halleck, the first statue of an American to be placed in the Park. Ten years after his death, he was still so beloved that over 30,000 adoring fans came to the unveiling of his statue by President Rutherford B. Hayes and his entire cabinet. Today hardly anyone knows his poetry or his name...
     
    Pride! And from Wikipedia:

    Halleck never married. His biographer Hallock believes that he was homosexual. He found that Halleck was enamored at the age of 19 with a young Cuban named Carlos Menie, to whom he dedicated a few of his early poems.
     
    , @kaganovitch
    Wait a minute. Didn't Johnny Cash sing "God Bless Robert E. Lee" ? The royalties of his entire song list should be appropriated and given to the SPLC. Morris Dees needs the money.
  10. The whole idea that the fate of a statue should rest entirely on the person it’s modeled after is absurd. Every individual statue has its own aesthetic and historic criteria that are if anything more important than who it’s of.

  11. The Lenin statue (like the similar one in Seattle) is on private property. Under bourgeois law, its owners would be, in at least some circumstances, authorized to shoot you if you try to take it down or otherwise vandalize it.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    The Lenin statue (like the similar one in Seattle) is on private property. Under bourgeois law, its owners would be, in at least some circumstances, authorized to shoot you if you try to take it down or otherwise vandalize it.
     
    I've seen that statue north of the ship canal in the Fremont neighborhood.

    It would be very un-Lenin-like, though, to shoot any one comrade who may want to vandalize that symbol of the Fremont Motherland. The job should be done with an ice axe, or any similar instrument that one has the "means" for.

    As the younger babushkas will tell you "To each according to his needs; from each according to her agility."
    , @FPD72
    I can't be the only reader who sees the irony in the continuing display of the statues of Lenin in NYC and Seattle is due to their being on PRIVATE PROPERTY.
  12. Any statues of Buddha need to go ASAP. Sorry West Coast hippies, Allah does not approach of idolatry.

  13. there’s a lot of useful road gravel in that mlk statue ….just saying

  14. @Desiderius
    Still don't get all the Paterno hate.

    Is it really all about keeping white ethnics down?

    Still don’t get all the Paterno hate.

    Read Steve’s last Taki piece. It’s all about shortcuts to intergenerational wealth transfer. It’s always about this.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yeah, probably gonna have to connect some of those dots there.
  15. @PiltdownMan
    Phantom, Robert E. Lee's less famous horse, is obviously named after Lee Falk's classic comic book character, The Phantom, who is a white man who rules over black people in a jungle cave in Africa.

    http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_3563/subcat_101696/aaPhantomdaily1071955.jpg

    The Phantom, a benevolent superhero living among tribal Africans, was very popular in Sweden (as Fantomen). Perhaps it’s because of how Sweden sees itself – superheroes of morality.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Sweden considers itself literally a Moral Great Power. No joke, though it's difficult not to laugh.

    I believe it's originally a Social-Democrat concept, perhaps from Olof Palme's era or even earlier (Dag Hammarskjöld?). I see that a government directive on foreign aid in 1962, which "internationalized" Swedish politics, might have been the inciting incident. The concept of Sweden the moral great power has since been adopted by shitlibs from all over Swedish politics, though it seems the earnestness has faded in the last decade or so and been replaced by sardonic smiles.

    (There's simultaneously lots of agonizing about arms deals with Saudi Arabia and other third world despots, of course.)

    Anyway, in summary, we're a very virtuous people.

    , @Pericles
    PS. Fantomen is apparently still published in Sweden. If you meet a goodswede in, say, San Francisco or Brooklyn, don't hesitate to inquire.
  16. Tear down the statues of anyone who was a politician and leave the rest.

    • Agree: TomSchmidt, Bill Jones
  17. I hope that George Washington gets a high vote for removal — it makes the movement look ridiculous. Is there a limit on how many times one can vote?

  18. Martin Luther King needs to come down, 100%. The fact that they sealed the guy’s records for fifty years sure makes it look like they’ve got something to hide…

    • Replies: @e
    Yes, for his misogyny. After all, don't feminists hate his womanizing?
  19. Pee Wee Herman, Michael Jordan, the Venus de Milo, Donald Trump, Ozymandias, Liberty, Mickey Mouse, Pocohontas, Franco, Che Guevara, John Lennon, Secretariat.

  20. @TelfoedJohn
    The Phantom, a benevolent superhero living among tribal Africans, was very popular in Sweden (as Fantomen). Perhaps it's because of how Sweden sees itself - superheroes of morality.

    Sweden considers itself literally a Moral Great Power. No joke, though it’s difficult not to laugh.

    I believe it’s originally a Social-Democrat concept, perhaps from Olof Palme’s era or even earlier (Dag Hammarskjöld?). I see that a government directive on foreign aid in 1962, which “internationalized” Swedish politics, might have been the inciting incident. The concept of Sweden the moral great power has since been adopted by shitlibs from all over Swedish politics, though it seems the earnestness has faded in the last decade or so and been replaced by sardonic smiles.

    (There’s simultaneously lots of agonizing about arms deals with Saudi Arabia and other third world despots, of course.)

    Anyway, in summary, we’re a very virtuous people.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    So is there some competition with Merkelland going or what?

    Who will reach Peak Antinazi first?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Sweden's moral superiority goes way back. In 1938, Swedish Nobel-laureate economist Gunnar Myrdal was funded by the Carnegie Corporation to write a report on race relations in America. The result, published in 1944, was An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy. Wikipedia states,

    It sold over 100,000 copies and went through 25 printings before going into its second edition in 1965. It was enormously influential in how racial issues were viewed in the United States, and it was cited in the landmark Brown v. Board of Education case....In many ways it laid the groundwork for future policies of racial integration and affirmative action....Myrdal believed he saw a vicious cycle in which whites oppressed Negroes, and then pointed to Negroes' poor performance as reason for the oppression. The way out of this cycle, he argued, was to either cure whites of the prejudice he believed existed, or to improve the circumstances of Negroes, which would then disprove whites' preconceived notions.
     
    Still waiting for those preconceived notions to be disproved!
    , @Anon 2
    Moral Great Power? Sweden is an agent of death - per capita
    Sweden is the world's largest exporter of deadly arms.

    The Swedes spent World War II going to the beach and getting
    filthy rich on lucrative contracts with Nazi Germany. Going further back,
    Sweden inflicted horrible suffering on Europe when it was a major
    power in the 16th-18th centuries. Do I need to go back to the Vikings
    and Berserkers who are well documented to have been gang rapists
    and slavers? Sweden has a lot to repent for
  21. @TelfoedJohn
    The Phantom, a benevolent superhero living among tribal Africans, was very popular in Sweden (as Fantomen). Perhaps it's because of how Sweden sees itself - superheroes of morality.

    PS. Fantomen is apparently still published in Sweden. If you meet a goodswede in, say, San Francisco or Brooklyn, don’t hesitate to inquire.

  22. Gotta go with Bruce Lee . He had” Caitlyn’s ” old first name and Robert E ‘ s last and therefore is Double Oppressive . Plus he didn’t bitch and moan about being Asian – American and receiving slights . Sorry Bruce , that’s three strikes buddy .

  23. @Desiderius
    Still don't get all the Paterno hate.

    Is it really all about keeping white ethnics down?

    I think it’s because he apparently turned a blind eye to Sandusky’s child sexual assaults.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    They might want to hold off on the Paterno statue. The legitimization of child sexual assault is scheduled to be the cause célèbre of 2018.
  24. What is sad (and funny) about this crazy statue smashing is that it will change nothing. No one who admires Robert E. Lee (or even Nathan Bedford Forrest) will admire him less if the statue comes down. No black kid will get a better education or better parenting or a safer neighborhood.

    The truth is that the vast majority of us never pay any attention to these statues: they’re just there, like garbage cans, mailboxes, streetlights, etc.

    Of course, all this does distract people from complaining about how lousy the lives of poor (and, increasingly, middle-class) Americans are. The ruling elite knows how to advance its interests.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    Getting rid of the statues and monuments will succeed in making America's already ugly and ahistorical cities even more so.

    And I think it make people admire figures like Robert E. Lee and Forrest less. Don't pretend that the cultural elite hasn't already diminished their reputations considerably over the last few decades. I see no reason why getting rid of their statues wouldn't further that and the cultural elite certainly thinks it will.

    And while it won't get rid of the magic voodoo forces holding blacks back it will help create a political environment that allows them to further expropriate and exploit white people. Although admittedly given what they're likely to actually get they'd still be better off just shooting for the kind of broad pro working and middle class reforms that you're implicitly saying they should be advocating for instead of the removal of statues.

    , @TomSchmidt
    Yep. Easier to rename a street after MLKjr than to do something real for black people.
    , @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Newton referred to the great works of European sculpture as "stone dolls". So it's not surprising that a physicist (if you are one) might say that sculpture is "just there, like garbage cans..."

    "The truth is that the vast majority of us never pay any attention to these statues..." Is that "the truth", Mr. Scientist? I'd like some scientific meat on those bones, as in one of your famous "peer-reviewed studies" (read Vox Day about that).

    Why do you think the Tien An Men protesters spent four days constructing a "Goddess of Democracy" statue during the pro-democracy movement in China? Unfortunately, that event cannot be reproduced in a laboratory, so maybe it should go into The Journal of Irreproducible Results.

    If nobody cares about sculptures, why so much fiery animus against them by so many? Why are they prohibited in the Second Commandment? Why the importance of the Golden Calf in the Bible? Why the public fuss over "Fearless Girl" in Manhattan?

    It's almost enough to make a physicist betake himself to his laboratory in search of Answers to Deep Questions. But I am sure that Science will eventually solve these questions, along with all others, one fine day.
    , @syonredux

    What is sad (and funny) about this crazy statue smashing is that it will change nothing. No one who admires Robert E. Lee (or even Nathan Bedford Forrest) will admire him less if the statue comes down. No black kid will get a better education or better parenting or a safer neighborhood.
     
    Clearly you don't understand that these statues emit powerful vril-rays that are toxic to people with Black Bodies......
  25. Judah P. Benjamin (anti-Semitism)

    • LOL: ic1000
  26. I don’t see Robert Byrd on the list. They have to have a statue of him somewhere in West Virginia.

  27. @PhysicistDave
    What is sad (and funny) about this crazy statue smashing is that it will change nothing. No one who admires Robert E. Lee (or even Nathan Bedford Forrest) will admire him less if the statue comes down. No black kid will get a better education or better parenting or a safer neighborhood.

    The truth is that the vast majority of us never pay any attention to these statues: they're just there, like garbage cans, mailboxes, streetlights, etc.

    Of course, all this does distract people from complaining about how lousy the lives of poor (and, increasingly, middle-class) Americans are. The ruling elite knows how to advance its interests.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    Getting rid of the statues and monuments will succeed in making America’s already ugly and ahistorical cities even more so.

    And I think it make people admire figures like Robert E. Lee and Forrest less. Don’t pretend that the cultural elite hasn’t already diminished their reputations considerably over the last few decades. I see no reason why getting rid of their statues wouldn’t further that and the cultural elite certainly thinks it will.

    And while it won’t get rid of the magic voodoo forces holding blacks back it will help create a political environment that allows them to further expropriate and exploit white people. Although admittedly given what they’re likely to actually get they’d still be better off just shooting for the kind of broad pro working and middle class reforms that you’re implicitly saying they should be advocating for instead of the removal of statues.

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @Nico
    Of course, when the last white American dies or emigrates or "passes," it's a guarantee that in the new chaos-ridded Northern Guyana which lacks even the tropical charm of the actual Guyana, POC folklore will have it that the white devil is still responsible for the chaos decades after his extinction.
  28. Sadly, they took Marilyn Monroe down in Chicago in 2012. Too blonde I guess:

    Here’s the story:
    http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-quirk/2012/05/the-marilyn-monroe-statue-is-leaving-finally/

    • Replies: @anonymous
    The Mary Tyler Moore statue in Minneapolis must go! It's toxically heterosexual and an insult to the indigenous Somali population.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Why are so many people looking up her dress?

    Chicago is a city of perverts.
    , @CCZ
    She "lives" in Palm Springs.

    http://palmsprings.com/marilyn-monroe-statue/index.html
  29. The representative sample of NYT readers polled by Emily, Kathleen, and Samuel have it backwards. Rather than thumbs-downing on a case-by-case basis — which is discriminatory, when you think about it — we need firm criteria on which to judge.

    Any figure who is known to is known to have written or spoken immorally on an important issue must have all statuary removed or defaced. No arbitrary time limits — Right and Wrong was as important in Hammurabai’s day as in Martin Luther King’s.

    The World’s Most Important Issues, in order:
    * Racism (anti-African-American version)
    * Homophobia
    * Islamophobia
    * Anti-Transgenderism
    * Anti-Semitism
    * Racism (anti- Hispanic, Asian, or other Person-of-Color version)
    * Nazism and other forms of White Privilege
    * Toxic masculinity and other threats to Feminism
    * Global Warming Anthropogenic Climate Change

    This proposal will strike many readers as too lax: what about those who failed to speak out on one or more of these issues? And what must be done about the books written by such people?

    Good points, but we have to start small.

    • LOL: Nico
  30. Working dogs and pets are the animal equivalents of slaves. The statue of Balto must go because it celebrates his status as a “good” animal slave.

    And, while we’re on the theme, action is needed to suppress all parades featuring horses, rodeos, steer riding, and the like. Ask any progressive lawyer, and they will confirm that animals have rights just like us.

  31. Much heartburn in New York City about a statue of Dr. J. Marion Sims, a pioneering mid 1800s surgeon who developed surgical techniques to repair fistulas, a procedure that has brought relief to tens of thousands of wretched African women who have been mutilated by traditional practices.

    The complaint?

    That he operated on slave women without anesthesia. At a time when surgical anesthesia was just being discovered. It wouldn’t be widespread practice or safe for another fifty years.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/08/29/a-surgeon-experimented-on-slave-women-without-anesthesia-now-his-statues-are-under-attack/?utm_term=.c2c5dd8232d7

    The 1990s research paper by one Durrenda Ojanuga disparaging this man’s reputation has been reviewed and found wanting. But no one cares. The statue must come down.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2563360/

  32. @Desiderius
    Still don't get all the Paterno hate.

    Is it really all about keeping white ethnics down?

    Still don’t get all the Paterno hate.

    It’s about opposition to child rape. I don’t know how fair it is to tar Paterno with Sandusky’s sins but people think he knew what Paterno was doing.

    And obsessing over football is hardly doing whites any good.

  33. @PiltdownMan
    Phantom, Robert E. Lee's less famous horse, is obviously named after Lee Falk's classic comic book character, The Phantom, who is a white man who rules over black people in a jungle cave in Africa.

    http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_3563/subcat_101696/aaPhantomdaily1071955.jpg

    I remember Phantom comics from when I was a kid; I thought they were cool.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Billy Zane didn't look so cool in that Phantom costume. Hard to live down that role.
  34. @hhsiii
    The Maine? Anti-Hispanic.

    Balto is too useful as a landmark. Meet me near Balto.

    All the statues on poet's walk, starting with Shakespeare, that cultural expropriator.

    I just defended Silent Sam on tarheelblog. He represents a mere anonymous generic foot soldier alumnus. He's not like Lee or Jeff Davis and most confederate privates owned no slaves. We usually sympathize with those merely defending their homeland placed in harm's way by elites with noxious ideals, yada yada.

    Should we go rip up the Danville train tracks and firebomb Levon Helm's widow's house for having sung The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down too sympathetically?

    All the statues on poet’s walk, starting with Shakespeare, that cultural expropriator.

    I dunno: considering that Fitz-Greene Halleck was probably homosexual, you’re playing with fire here. From Central Park’s website:

    A little farther north is Fitz-Greene Halleck, the first statue of an American to be placed in the Park. Ten years after his death, he was still so beloved that over 30,000 adoring fans came to the unveiling of his statue by President Rutherford B. Hayes and his entire cabinet. Today hardly anyone knows his poetry or his name…

    Pride! And from Wikipedia:

    Halleck never married. His biographer Hallock believes that he was homosexual. He found that Halleck was enamored at the age of 19 with a young Cuban named Carlos Menie, to whom he dedicated a few of his early poems.

  35. I’ll trade them three Confederates, two disgraced presidents, and one discredited global explorer for the Statue of Liberty.

  36. I hadn’t heard they were coming after Stephen Foster. My first thought was that it must be because he included the word “darkies” in My Old Kentucky Home, but it sounds like it is the specific statue in Pittsburgh they have a problem with. They think he is culturally appropriating the music of this slave. This is simply pure emotion by a group of idiots, no thought is being put into this.

    http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/12660439-74/pittsburgh-mayor-favors-moving-controversial-stephen-foster-statue

  37. If memory serves me well, the Russian Revolution would indicate that those who first appeal to the mob and advocate for the destruction of the old society at the start are the first to be lined up against the wall when their eager pupils take over – for failing to be Revolutionary enough. For example: “you wanted Lee’s statue taken down but not Teddy Roosevelt’s – you Trotsky-Bukharinite Dog” (or maybe “you Sanders-Clintonite Dog”). At the very least they are sent out to an Arctic gold mining camp. So there is that.

  38. @Achilles
    Balto should be safe. Spielberg's company produced an animated movie portraying him as a mixed race (dog/wolf) 'otherized' victim, so he's sort of covered by Spielberg's Jewish privilege.

    Increasingly it seems in popular culture, heroes can only be portrayed as “other”: outcasts, lone-wolves, half-breeds, etc.

    • Replies: @Maya
    It's a baby boomer thing. They dream of rebelling against mom and dad or "the man" even as they approach 60, and even when they have enough wealth, power and authority to make them "the man".

    They have this need to be the underdog that used to be fulfilled by being powerless youth. Now that the "dont trust anyone over 30" is, er, outdated for them, they dont trust anyone who hasnt suffered at the hands of society. So they all suffered, according to them. Lastly, they taught their kids and grandkids to one up them. Not necessarily on purpose.
  39. When I was a boy (1960s) I remember seeing an American comic magazine (‘Yank mag’ as we called them) with a time-travel story something like this: the hero goes back to the American War of Independence and discovers that Washington was a traitor. Somehow (he reveals the new info, or there’s an alternative time line or something like that) when he comes back to 1965 or whenever, the city of Washington has been renamed Lincoln, and many other iconoclastic changes have been made. Seems quite prescient in a way.

  40. Umm… Balto is a SIBERIAN husky, meeting he’s RUSSIAN. THIS MEANS HE INTERFERED IN OUR ELECTION AND IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY. His image has me LITERALLY SHAKING.

  41. @Desiderius
    Still don't get all the Paterno hate.

    Is it really all about keeping white ethnics down?

    Pitt alumnx can be very bitter. They look for any excuse to tear down the Blue and … WHITE!!!

  42. @Buzz Mohawk
    Sadly, they took Marilyn Monroe down in Chicago in 2012. Too blonde I guess:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3Bd5xDtH3DQ/TiGlPGwaGXI/AAAAAAAAAtc/PlC5Juyp2Z0/s1600/132085-26-foot-tall-statue-of-marilyn-monroe-in-chicago.jpg

    Here's the story:
    http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-quirk/2012/05/the-marilyn-monroe-statue-is-leaving-finally/

    The Mary Tyler Moore statue in Minneapolis must go! It’s toxically heterosexual and an insult to the indigenous Somali population.

    • Replies: @guest
    When Mary Tyler Moore died not long ago, her statue had been temporarily removed because of street construction, or somesuch reason. (It was indoors nearby.) Thus depriving newscrews worldwide of much-needed images. So it's already failed in its purpose, somewhat.
  43. @hhsiii
    The Maine? Anti-Hispanic.

    Balto is too useful as a landmark. Meet me near Balto.

    All the statues on poet's walk, starting with Shakespeare, that cultural expropriator.

    I just defended Silent Sam on tarheelblog. He represents a mere anonymous generic foot soldier alumnus. He's not like Lee or Jeff Davis and most confederate privates owned no slaves. We usually sympathize with those merely defending their homeland placed in harm's way by elites with noxious ideals, yada yada.

    Should we go rip up the Danville train tracks and firebomb Levon Helm's widow's house for having sung The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down too sympathetically?

    Wait a minute. Didn’t Johnny Cash sing “God Bless Robert E. Lee” ? The royalties of his entire song list should be appropriated and given to the SPLC. Morris Dees needs the money.

  44. @Desiderius
    Still don't get all the Paterno hate.

    Is it really all about keeping white ethnics down?

    Isn’t it because of Jerry Sandusky and his raping boys (bullying)?

  45. It looks like a new statue of Martin Luther King was just unveiled in Atlanta this past Monday. His daughter said, “It’s about time.” White guys coming down, black guys going up.

    http://fox17.com/news/nation-world/statue-of-martin-luther-king-jr-unveiled-in-his-hometown-08-28-2017

    • Replies: @Barnard
    There are so many good lines in that article I almost wonder if the author was laughing as he wrote it

    Bernice King said she hopes the erection of her father’s statue can now spark conversations about the impact of monuments in public spaces.
     
    Freudian slip by Bernice?

    "Forty-nine years ago when my father was assassinated, he was the most hated man in America. Today, he is one of the most loved men in the world,” the Rev. Bernice King said of her father
     
    The most hated man in America, no doubt about that.

    The mayor also said a $23 million MLK Recreation and Aquatic Center will be opened in Atlanta by the end of the year.
     
    These have to be the least self aware people to ever live on earth.
    , @Anon 2
    Martin Luther King was antigay so he needs to be
    confined to the dustbin of history lol
    , @Anon 2
    Hundreds if not thousands of Confederate Era statues
    have been going up on private property in the last 20-30 years.
    New York Times had a story about it yesterday. It looks like
    Alt-left is on a futile quest
  46. @PhysicistDave
    What is sad (and funny) about this crazy statue smashing is that it will change nothing. No one who admires Robert E. Lee (or even Nathan Bedford Forrest) will admire him less if the statue comes down. No black kid will get a better education or better parenting or a safer neighborhood.

    The truth is that the vast majority of us never pay any attention to these statues: they're just there, like garbage cans, mailboxes, streetlights, etc.

    Of course, all this does distract people from complaining about how lousy the lives of poor (and, increasingly, middle-class) Americans are. The ruling elite knows how to advance its interests.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    Yep. Easier to rename a street after MLKjr than to do something real for black people.

  47. What’s with the statue of David Levy Yulee?

  48. @PhysicistDave
    What is sad (and funny) about this crazy statue smashing is that it will change nothing. No one who admires Robert E. Lee (or even Nathan Bedford Forrest) will admire him less if the statue comes down. No black kid will get a better education or better parenting or a safer neighborhood.

    The truth is that the vast majority of us never pay any attention to these statues: they're just there, like garbage cans, mailboxes, streetlights, etc.

    Of course, all this does distract people from complaining about how lousy the lives of poor (and, increasingly, middle-class) Americans are. The ruling elite knows how to advance its interests.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    Newton referred to the great works of European sculpture as “stone dolls”. So it’s not surprising that a physicist (if you are one) might say that sculpture is “just there, like garbage cans…”

    “The truth is that the vast majority of us never pay any attention to these statues…” Is that “the truth“, Mr. Scientist? I’d like some scientific meat on those bones, as in one of your famous “peer-reviewed studies” (read Vox Day about that).

    Why do you think the Tien An Men protesters spent four days constructing a “Goddess of Democracy” statue during the pro-democracy movement in China? Unfortunately, that event cannot be reproduced in a laboratory, so maybe it should go into The Journal of Irreproducible Results.

    If nobody cares about sculptures, why so much fiery animus against them by so many? Why are they prohibited in the Second Commandment? Why the importance of the Golden Calf in the Bible? Why the public fuss over “Fearless Girl” in Manhattan?

    It’s almost enough to make a physicist betake himself to his laboratory in search of Answers to Deep Questions. But I am sure that Science will eventually solve these questions, along with all others, one fine day.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Eustace Tilley (not) wrote to me:

    If nobody cares about sculptures, why so much fiery animus against them by so many? Why are they prohibited in the Second Commandment? Why the importance of the Golden Calf in the Bible? Why the public fuss over “Fearless Girl” in Manhattan?
     
    Ummm... most people think the Second Commandment was, like, about idols, you know? If it is about statues in general, then all Christians and Jews should favor tearing down all statues!

    And, the Golden Calf is portrayed as an idol, not just a random statue.

    As to "Fearless Girl," you make my point. We spent a couple of weeks this spring in Manhattan, saw all the tourist sites, talked a lot to the locals... never heard a word about "Fearless Girl." Who the hell is "Fearless Girl"?

    Is she dead?

    Seriously, I have lived in five major metropolitan areas during the last fifty years, I'm sure they all have lots and lots of statues. Very few people care. This statue fetishism is something you share with BLM, the antifas, etc. And the current brouhaha is getting lots of normal people riled up, too.

    But prior to the current tumult, I just never heard ordinary people express much interest in these statues. (Hint: maybe that is because most of the sculptors of American civic art were not very good.)

    On the other hand, I will admit that we stayed near Columbus Circle in NYC, and there does seem to be a certain logic in leaving Columbus at Columbus Circle.

    Dave
  49. @Buzz Mohawk
    Sadly, they took Marilyn Monroe down in Chicago in 2012. Too blonde I guess:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3Bd5xDtH3DQ/TiGlPGwaGXI/AAAAAAAAAtc/PlC5Juyp2Z0/s1600/132085-26-foot-tall-statue-of-marilyn-monroe-in-chicago.jpg

    Here's the story:
    http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-quirk/2012/05/the-marilyn-monroe-statue-is-leaving-finally/

    Why are so many people looking up her dress?

    Chicago is a city of perverts.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    You do realize the iconic Marilyn Monroe statue has, literally, ended up in the scrapheap of history, don't you?

    http://www.chinatoday.com/photo/marilyn_monroe_statue_china.htm
    , @Bill Jones
    There's nothing perverted about looking up Monroe's dress.

    Herbert Hoover's or little Linda Graham's is a different story.
    , @It's All Ball Bearings
    Why are so many people looking up her dress?

    Chicago is a city of perverts.

    --just checking if the carpet matches the drapes
  50. Allow me to suggest the statue of Babe Ruth in Cooperstown. I know some may think that’s strange, but there’s a reason. There simply aren’t enough Jackie Robinson statues around, and so a pre-’47 statue must go, and who better to start with than the symbol, the perfect epitome of all that was mean, bad, and racist during those pre-integrated days of MLB.

    Although some pushback may come from various sources (e.g. Spike Lee) who have in the past maintained that Ruth was actually part black. Since we don’t really know one way or the other if this is true (birth certificates don’t count, nor do photos of his parents ’cause they can be doctored), then a case may exist for keeping Babe Ruth. That’s the thing. We just don’t know if he wasn’t part black, because he could have been. It’s certainly possible. We know that then as now that blacks lived in Baltimore, so it’s very possible. And everyone knows that whites often dillydallied around with other races with mulattoes as the result.

    So it’s possible. If it ever could be proven beyond all doubt (very unlikely since we don’t know) that Ruth was in fact all white, then his statue in Cooperstown should come because he played during a racist time in MLB.

    So Babe Ruth should go. Possibly.

  51. The Fonz (Milwaukee)!

    • Replies: @anon
    The Steuben Monument too! He was a Nazi!
  52. @Dave Pinsen
    I dunno. There are a lot of cats in New York. Their anti-dogism might win out.

    I dunno. There are a lot of cats in New York. Their anti-dogism might win out.

    Many Muslims have negative feelings towards dogs…..

    In this episode, newlywed Arab-American Shadia tells Jeff, her Irish-American convert husband, that she does not want his dog to move with them to their new home. Shadia has allergies, and her asthma is exacerbated by the dog’s hair. This is an understandable and common dilemma. But Shadia bolsters her position with statements about the impermissibility for a Muslim to have dogs in the home. Her father will not pray in the house if the dog is there, she says, because dog hair is impure and a prayer space needs to be pure. Later, Shadia backs off from the religious argument, admitting that the main reason she doesn’t want a dog in the house is “I wasn’t raised with dogs; I’m not used to them.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ingrid-mattson/whats-up-with-muslims-and_b_1144819.html

    Islam forbids Muslims to keep dogs, and the punishment for that is that the one who does that loses one or two qiraats from his hasanaat (good deeds) each day. An exception has been made in the case of keeping dogs for hunting, guarding livestock and guarding crops.

    It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding, hunting or farming, one qiraat will be deducted from his reward each day.” Narrated by Muslim, 1575.

    It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding livestock or a dog that is trained for hunting, two qiraats will be deducted from his reward each day.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5163; Muslim, 1574.

    https://islamqa.info/en/69840

    • Replies: @Off The Street
    Camel style?
    , @Dave Pinsen
    I think it's going to be a few years yet before Muslims' ideas of what should get knocked down in New York are popular.
    , @dr kill
    There are many many versions of this story, but Muhammad (pbuh) allowed a cat to give birth on his cloak. He also cut off the sleeve of his prayer robe rather than wake his favourite cat, a female named Muezza, who was sleeping on it.
    They like cats and hate dogs. I'm with them. If you feel caring for a dog would make you complete, have a child. It's much more rewarding.
  53. @PhysicistDave
    What is sad (and funny) about this crazy statue smashing is that it will change nothing. No one who admires Robert E. Lee (or even Nathan Bedford Forrest) will admire him less if the statue comes down. No black kid will get a better education or better parenting or a safer neighborhood.

    The truth is that the vast majority of us never pay any attention to these statues: they're just there, like garbage cans, mailboxes, streetlights, etc.

    Of course, all this does distract people from complaining about how lousy the lives of poor (and, increasingly, middle-class) Americans are. The ruling elite knows how to advance its interests.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    What is sad (and funny) about this crazy statue smashing is that it will change nothing. No one who admires Robert E. Lee (or even Nathan Bedford Forrest) will admire him less if the statue comes down. No black kid will get a better education or better parenting or a safer neighborhood.

    Clearly you don’t understand that these statues emit powerful vril-rays that are toxic to people with Black Bodies……

    • LOL: schmenz
    • Replies: @Nico
    Incredibly, no one has thought to explain why Black Bodies seemed to multiply so fruitfully within the walls of these racist-statued cities, from the 1940s through the 1980s, but then empirical evidence has never been of great importance in countering the fantasies of a people whose imaginations are still colored by belief in magic...
  54. I’m not sure who would be against Balto

    I dunno, Steve. He was delivering medicine to a bunch of white wreckers that only lived in Nome to steal the Eskimo’s Inuit’s Inupiaq’s First People’s gold. The more woke thing to do would have been to let them die of diptheria. And his musher looks like he stepped out of an SS recruiting poster. What kind of dog pulls a sled for a Nazi?

    • Replies: @Olorin

    What kind of dog pulls a sled for a Nazi?
     
    [think think think]

    Um...a NAZI DOG????

    Ohmagerd! First Blondie, then Balto--there must be truckloads of NAZI DOG statuary to purge!

    There's the Brementown Musicians statue in Bremen. They're Nazis probably, being

    1) German,

    2) famous for keeping a poor downtrodden Body from breaking and entering the house of someone more fortunate and appropriating some reparations, and

    3) old and not useful on their farms, and instead of simply dying and getting out of the way, banding up and going all epic-road-trip, which is SUCH a Boomer thing to do.

    And what about the Kentucky Horse Park in Lexington? Must be some Rebel Nazi Slaveowner horses commemorated there! After all, think of horse breeders' obsession with GENETICS!

    Our host probably knows about the statue of Bosco in Sunol. Probably don't want to tear that down since it represents the last time any town in California had a sensible election outcome.

  55. @Cattle Guard
    OK. Since destroying art the other side likes is part of the class war now, this would be a good time to remember those iSteve articles about very expensive contemporary art in rich people's houses. I demand the destruction of that art. All of it.

    … this would be a good time to remember those iSteve articles about very expensive contemporary art in rich people’s houses. I demand the destruction of that art. All of it.

    Put me down for some of that (destruction of) art!

  56. “…I’m not sure who would be against Balto, the heroic Siberian husky….”

    Are you kiddin’.Sailer?

    It was 1925. and this Furry Russian Invader was operating in Alaska as K9GB fellow traveler.
    The only real relay this canine had ever run was the one that includes line up of Evil Empire’s dictators; from Stalin to…Putin.

    Balto * was smart enough to never tell a word to anybody about his clandestine role in Soviet Inteligence Aparatus.

    Now you know why Balto has to go .

    * (Name Balto is of Babylonian origin, and it means “Baal protect the king”)

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    "(Name Balto is of Babylonian origin, and it means “Baal protect the king”)"

    Don't think so. As near as I can tell it means Baal Come or similar. Inviting Baal or something like that.
    , @Olorin

    * (Name Balto is of Babylonian origin, and it means “Baal protect the king”)
     
    Yeah, that's accurate, coz Sami people are always naming sheeit after Babylonians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Balto
  57. MLK

    I think there needs to be push back on MLK starting with the FBI files that will come out in a decade. Rather than worship him, the right needs to taint him Alinsky style and drag him down to earth. Maybe then we will see some respect and humility on the left.

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    I would be pretty surprised if the Feds released anything damning against MLK, ever.
  58. Anonymous [AKA "Tearim Downn"] says:

    There are statues of Groucho and Harpo Marx in Joilet that need to come down because of the blackface routine in A DAY AT THE RACES.

    The Lou Costello statue in Montclair, NJ should also come down for reasons I have yet to google.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Why does he have a statue in Montclair?
    , @CCZ
    This should do it:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041098/mediaviewer/rm860103168
  59. Meanwhile, New York City still has a street named for Samuel Dickstein, the congressman who helped found the HUAC, yet was a paid spy for the Soviet Union (documented.) The idea was that he could inform on the committee to Moscow, but be beyond suspicion since he was a founder (of what was essentially a proto-HUAC.).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/nyregion/samuel-dickstein-plaza-manhattan-soviet-spy.html?mcubz=0

    AND HANDS OFF LENIN!

    https://espressostalinist.com/2013/01/01/leave-the-vladimir-lenins-monuments-where-they-are-hands-off-lenin/

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    Some lady tried to off Lenin and paid the price:

    "Late in the evening of the 30 August 1918, Vladimir Lenin, the Bolshevik leader, emerged from a meeting at the Hammer and Sickle factory in Moscow when he was approached by an unknown woman who called out his name. Detained momentarily by a colleague, who was remonstrating about bread shortages, Lenin was about to get into his car, his foot on the running board, when the woman produced a revolver and fired three shots. One shot missed him, ripping through his coat and hitting his colleague in her elbow, but the other two struck him down – one bullet went through his neck, the other into his left shoulder. Lenin survived – just. It had been the second attempt on Lenin’s life in just seven months.

    "Vladimir Lenin’s would-be assassin was 28-year-old Fanny Kaplan. Born Feiga Chaimovna Roytblat in the Ukraine on 10 February 1890, Kaplan, one of seven children, was drawn to revolutionary politics from a young age.

    http://www.historyinanhour.com/2013/02/10/fanny-kaplan-lenin/
  60. @Dr. X
    Martin Luther King needs to come down, 100%. The fact that they sealed the guy's records for fifty years sure makes it look like they've got something to hide...

    Yes, for his misogyny. After all, don’t feminists hate his womanizing?

  61. In terms of long-term historical impact, as well as nearly physiology, the Lenin statue is at least to scale.

  62. Still can’t figure out why I’m seeing the American songwriter Stephen Foster on this list. I won’t pretend that his work qualifies as some kind of timeless sonic monument, and I also probably wasn’t the only kid who got sick of having to hear his music sung repeatedly over a late-night campfire. But how does any of that earn someone a spot on the chopping block when we’re purging our nation’s history of its worst monsters?

    Then again, maybe this is just the first step in an attempt to change the scenery given the current “white guys go down, black guys up” fad in American sculpture. If Foster comes down, what black musician should be selected to take his place? I suggest Clarence Walker, the unknown Fifth Beatle who was cheated out of his musical legacy by those horrid racists John Lennon and Paul McCartney:

    • Replies: @guest
    I'll tell you why Stephen Foster: cultural appropriation. He took minstrelsy, which belonged to them. (We wuz mistrelz.) Though whites played it along with blacks probably from the beginning, and before Foster. He stands as a symbol of whites stealing black culture. Also, he wrote it better, which stings.

    I own two books about Foster. One is from the Bad Old Days and doesn't count. The other is academic-y, full of cultural anthropological muck. It's all race. Race, race, race. I only bought it because I loved the title: Doo-dah!

    There's something about white people doing minstrel music for blacks and libs, like hitting a funny bone. You know, the whole blackface thing. They can hold Foster responsible for that, because they can.

    Finally, some of his lyrics are "problematic." De Camptown Races is in the Ebonics of the day: "Gwine to run all night; gwine to run all day!" My Old Kentucky Home uses the word "darkies " though I notice the Kentucky Derby omits it in their annual recital. My understanding is that Foster was inspired to write it by reading Uncle Tom's Cabin, and it's supposed to be abolitionist, but that hardly matters. There's no saving him.

  63. @unit472
    I want to 'sanitize' the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Jackhammer the stars of show businesses bigots, racists and misogynists and erase their memory

    Next step after the Hollywood Walk of Fame would be the movie studios, television studios, talent agencies and fellow travelers that practice and refine Hate Acts daily.

  64. @syonredux

    I dunno. There are a lot of cats in New York. Their anti-dogism might win out.
     
    Many Muslims have negative feelings towards dogs.....

    In this episode, newlywed Arab-American Shadia tells Jeff, her Irish-American convert husband, that she does not want his dog to move with them to their new home. Shadia has allergies, and her asthma is exacerbated by the dog’s hair. This is an understandable and common dilemma. But Shadia bolsters her position with statements about the impermissibility for a Muslim to have dogs in the home. Her father will not pray in the house if the dog is there, she says, because dog hair is impure and a prayer space needs to be pure. Later, Shadia backs off from the religious argument, admitting that the main reason she doesn’t want a dog in the house is “I wasn’t raised with dogs; I’m not used to them.”
     
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ingrid-mattson/whats-up-with-muslims-and_b_1144819.html

    Islam forbids Muslims to keep dogs, and the punishment for that is that the one who does that loses one or two qiraats from his hasanaat (good deeds) each day. An exception has been made in the case of keeping dogs for hunting, guarding livestock and guarding crops.

    It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding, hunting or farming, one qiraat will be deducted from his reward each day.” Narrated by Muslim, 1575.

    It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding livestock or a dog that is trained for hunting, two qiraats will be deducted from his reward each day.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5163; Muslim, 1574.
     
    https://islamqa.info/en/69840

    Camel style?

  65. Since the legacy of the civil rights movement is toxic race relations, a racial spoils system, race replacement immigration and massive discrimination against white males we need to rip down all monuments to MLK and other civil rights luminaries.

  66. As a possible un-convicted felon (who even knows anymore?), I am most concerned that we rid ourselves of the stigma of felonyism. We must march post-haste to our local courthouses and tear down, with extreme prejudice, mind you, the horribly oppressive Statue of Limitations!

    Once we get it torn down, you won’t even have time to arrest us.

    Another story about that statue here.

  67. @syonredux

    I dunno. There are a lot of cats in New York. Their anti-dogism might win out.
     
    Many Muslims have negative feelings towards dogs.....

    In this episode, newlywed Arab-American Shadia tells Jeff, her Irish-American convert husband, that she does not want his dog to move with them to their new home. Shadia has allergies, and her asthma is exacerbated by the dog’s hair. This is an understandable and common dilemma. But Shadia bolsters her position with statements about the impermissibility for a Muslim to have dogs in the home. Her father will not pray in the house if the dog is there, she says, because dog hair is impure and a prayer space needs to be pure. Later, Shadia backs off from the religious argument, admitting that the main reason she doesn’t want a dog in the house is “I wasn’t raised with dogs; I’m not used to them.”
     
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ingrid-mattson/whats-up-with-muslims-and_b_1144819.html

    Islam forbids Muslims to keep dogs, and the punishment for that is that the one who does that loses one or two qiraats from his hasanaat (good deeds) each day. An exception has been made in the case of keeping dogs for hunting, guarding livestock and guarding crops.

    It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding, hunting or farming, one qiraat will be deducted from his reward each day.” Narrated by Muslim, 1575.

    It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding livestock or a dog that is trained for hunting, two qiraats will be deducted from his reward each day.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5163; Muslim, 1574.
     
    https://islamqa.info/en/69840

    I think it’s going to be a few years yet before Muslims’ ideas of what should get knocked down in New York are popular.

  68. I want it all down. Washington Monument, Jefferson and Lincoln Memorials, interior and exterior sculptures and artistic decorations at the Capitol and the Library of Congress, etc. And definitely dynamite Mount Rushmore. Whites still cling to these few symbols as evidence that America is still America, when in reality not-A has been masquerading as A for decades now. Whatever it takes to shake people out of their stupor. A lot of the exquisite historical buildings in Europe have been rebuilt from the rubble they were bombed into during the War to Make the World Safe for Jews; I don’t recall feeling as though I was somehow cheated when visiting Peterhof or the Hermitage.

    The globalist war on Whites and their history includes, by definition, a war on truth and beauty. Let every teeming vertical settlement pre-approved by the UN High Commissars include its offerings to benevolent Mandela and proud -yet-humble MLK. Let it be crammed down people’s throats. For those who rightly fear even that won’t be sufficient to “awaken” the Saxon, then I’d honestly rather leave the other races to their own crude facsimiles of art and architecture. They don’t deserve even photos of our ruins.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    I'm with you. Burn it all. Knock off their noses and dicks.
  69. @Anonymous
    It looks like a new statue of Martin Luther King was just unveiled in Atlanta this past Monday. His daughter said, “It’s about time.” White guys coming down, black guys going up.

    http://fox17.com/news/nation-world/statue-of-martin-luther-king-jr-unveiled-in-his-hometown-08-28-2017

    There are so many good lines in that article I almost wonder if the author was laughing as he wrote it

    Bernice King said she hopes the erection of her father’s statue can now spark conversations about the impact of monuments in public spaces.

    Freudian slip by Bernice?

    “Forty-nine years ago when my father was assassinated, he was the most hated man in America. Today, he is one of the most loved men in the world,” the Rev. Bernice King said of her father

    The most hated man in America, no doubt about that.

    The mayor also said a $23 million MLK Recreation and Aquatic Center will be opened in Atlanta by the end of the year.

    These have to be the least self aware people to ever live on earth.

  70. @matt
    The Lenin statue (like the similar one in Seattle) is on private property. Under bourgeois law, its owners would be, in at least some circumstances, authorized to shoot you if you try to take it down or otherwise vandalize it.

    The Lenin statue (like the similar one in Seattle) is on private property. Under bourgeois law, its owners would be, in at least some circumstances, authorized to shoot you if you try to take it down or otherwise vandalize it.

    I’ve seen that statue north of the ship canal in the Fremont neighborhood.

    It would be very un-Lenin-like, though, to shoot any one comrade who may want to vandalize that symbol of the Fremont Motherland. The job should be done with an ice axe, or any similar instrument that one has the “means” for.

    As the younger babushkas will tell you “To each according to his needs; from each according to her agility.”

  71. @Ben H
    The Fonz (Milwaukee)!

    The Steuben Monument too! He was a Nazi!

  72. @JohnnyWalker123
    Why are so many people looking up her dress?

    Chicago is a city of perverts.

    You do realize the iconic Marilyn Monroe statue has, literally, ended up in the scrapheap of history, don’t you?

    http://www.chinatoday.com/photo/marilyn_monroe_statue_china.htm

  73. @Cattle Guard
    OK. Since destroying art the other side likes is part of the class war now, this would be a good time to remember those iSteve articles about very expensive contemporary art in rich people's houses. I demand the destruction of that art. All of it.

    I can bring to this most worthy project a wide array of chainsaws, flamethrowers (weeders, but I can adapt), claymores, tannerite, .50 BMG rounds, and with a bit of help on the rental fees, a Husqvarna DXR 300 demo robot.

    • Replies: @res

    Husqvarna DXR 300 demo robot
     
    Now that looks fun! https://www.husqvarnacp.com/us/machines/demolition-robots/dxr-300/967195602/

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xu133cWjQkk/maxresdefault.jpg

    What does it cost to rent one of those? And how big a deposit do you have to leave?
  74. Well, I say it’s WAR! For example, the Mexican Consulate in Chicago paid for statues of Zapata and other “Hispanic Heroes” in a bit of cultural imperialism, the Benito Juarez Plaza. These statues are situated right next to a Chicago Public School, Benito Juarez Academy, that flies the Mexican flag.

    Tear down these imperialist Mexican icons and ship them back to Mexico.

    https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g35805-d10405428-i195197145-Benito_Juarez_Plaza-Chicago_Illinois.html

    Scorched Earth to the SJWs and their International supporters.

  75. @Desiderius
    Still don't get all the Paterno hate.

    Is it really all about keeping white ethnics down?

    Football religio-culture as it has existed in State College and other places is one of the biggest forces “keeping white ethnics down.”

    Then there’s that thing of Coach turning a blind eye to many reports of pedo activity by Sandusky over the course of decades.

    Not just the evil of ignoring evil, the sense of betrayal on the part of many people who considered Paterno incorruptible.

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Well said.

    I watched Paterno carefully on the sidelines in 1998 in person, and was surprised to see just how removed he was from any in-game decision-making. His offensive and defensive coordinators were making all of the calls, and I mean all of them.

    He didn't have a head-set on, instead he just paced the sidelines, muttering to himself.

    He looked lost and pathetic, even then.

    1998.

    He should have retired in his 50's, not in his 80's. Was it his ego that kept him chasing Bobby Bowden for the all-time win record?
    , @dr kill
    JoePa's statue would look good, nose-less and dick-less.
    , @Desiderius

    Football religio-culture as it has existed in State College and other places is one of the biggest forces “keeping white ethnics down.”
     
    Paterno was the opposite of that. Family man, made sure his student-athletes got their degrees. Hundreds of character witnesses. Don't let your sportsball-hate overwhelm your common sense.

    Then there’s that thing of Coach turning a blind eye to many reports of pedo activity by Sandusky over the course of decades.
     
    That's like saying a kid with Down's is turning a blind eye to advanced calculus. You really think think Paterno could have conceived in his wildest dreams the sort of shit Sandusky was up to? That said, when McQuery's suspicions were reported to him, he reported it to the proper authorities as he was supposed to do. They dropped the ball, then told him not to follow up (if I'm mistaken, pls advise). Did it get to Paterno "many" times?
    , @Nico
    Killing the NCAA racket and replacing it with a return to real, participative athleticsm and sportsmanship with minimal spectatorship should be regarded as a cultural priority for the alt-right. It would also help get rid of ESPN and land a blow to the cable TV mafia.
  76. @Cattle Guard
    OK. Since destroying art the other side likes is part of the class war now, this would be a good time to remember those iSteve articles about very expensive contemporary art in rich people's houses. I demand the destruction of that art. All of it.

    How about the Podesta brothers’ perverse art collections?

  77. Reaching up from the low hanging fruit, another signer of the Declaration of Independence gets his slave owner’s “just deserts.” Lots of Stockton Street signs in Jersey.

    http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/top_three/stockton-university-removes-bust-of-slave-owner-richard-stockton/article_7484510c-1162-5f52-ab34-3940bf4dc6a9.html

  78. @Anonymous
    There are statues of Groucho and Harpo Marx in Joilet that need to come down because of the blackface routine in A DAY AT THE RACES.

    The Lou Costello statue in Montclair, NJ should also come down for reasons I have yet to google.

    Why does he have a statue in Montclair?

  79. @bored identity




    "...I’m not sure who would be against Balto, the heroic Siberian husky...."

     

    Are you kiddin'.Sailer?


    It was 1925. and this Furry Russian Invader was operating in Alaska as K9GB fellow traveler.
    The only real relay this canine had ever run was the one that includes line up of Evil Empire's dictators; from Stalin to...Putin.

    Balto * was smart enough to never tell a word to anybody about his clandestine role in Soviet Inteligence Aparatus.

    Now you know why Balto has to go .

    https://youtu.be/IIp3FREte9w


    * (Name Balto is of Babylonian origin, and it means "Baal protect the king")

    “(Name Balto is of Babylonian origin, and it means “Baal protect the king”)”

    Don’t think so. As near as I can tell it means Baal Come or similar. Inviting Baal or something like that.

  80. @ATX Hipster

    I’m not sure who would be against Balto
     
    I dunno, Steve. He was delivering medicine to a bunch of white wreckers that only lived in Nome to steal the Eskimo's Inuit's Inupiaq's First People's gold. The more woke thing to do would have been to let them die of diptheria. And his musher looks like he stepped out of an SS recruiting poster. What kind of dog pulls a sled for a Nazi?

    What kind of dog pulls a sled for a Nazi?

    [think think think]

    Um…a NAZI DOG????

    Ohmagerd! First Blondie, then Balto–there must be truckloads of NAZI DOG statuary to purge!

    There’s the Brementown Musicians statue in Bremen. They’re Nazis probably, being

    1) German,

    2) famous for keeping a poor downtrodden Body from breaking and entering the house of someone more fortunate and appropriating some reparations, and

    3) old and not useful on their farms, and instead of simply dying and getting out of the way, banding up and going all epic-road-trip, which is SUCH a Boomer thing to do.

    And what about the Kentucky Horse Park in Lexington? Must be some Rebel Nazi Slaveowner horses commemorated there! After all, think of horse breeders’ obsession with GENETICS!

    Our host probably knows about the statue of Bosco in Sunol. Probably don’t want to tear that down since it represents the last time any town in California had a sensible election outcome.

  81. @bored identity




    "...I’m not sure who would be against Balto, the heroic Siberian husky...."

     

    Are you kiddin'.Sailer?


    It was 1925. and this Furry Russian Invader was operating in Alaska as K9GB fellow traveler.
    The only real relay this canine had ever run was the one that includes line up of Evil Empire's dictators; from Stalin to...Putin.

    Balto * was smart enough to never tell a word to anybody about his clandestine role in Soviet Inteligence Aparatus.

    Now you know why Balto has to go .

    https://youtu.be/IIp3FREte9w


    * (Name Balto is of Babylonian origin, and it means "Baal protect the king")

    * (Name Balto is of Babylonian origin, and it means “Baal protect the king”)

    Yeah, that’s accurate, coz Sami people are always naming sheeit after Babylonians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Balto

    • Replies: @bored identity
    Once upon a time there were Three Four Wise Commentators who nicked themselves after characters from the Good Book; Melchior, Caspar , Balthasar, and ... Olorin.

    bored identity dunno what happened with first three of them, but an all-time high analytical retentiveness of the latter one is definitely a gift that still keeps on giving :

    https://youtu.be/HDFjM4GqdsA
    , @bored identity
    Once upon a time there were Three Four Wise Commentators who nicked themselves after characters from the Good Book; Melchior, Caspar , Balthasar, and ... Olorin.

    bored identity dunno what happened with first three of them, but an all-time high analytical retentiveness of the latter one is definitely a gift that still keeps on giving :

    https://youtu.be/HDFjM4GqdsA
  82. @anonymous
    The Mary Tyler Moore statue in Minneapolis must go! It's toxically heterosexual and an insult to the indigenous Somali population.

    When Mary Tyler Moore died not long ago, her statue had been temporarily removed because of street construction, or somesuch reason. (It was indoors nearby.) Thus depriving newscrews worldwide of much-needed images. So it’s already failed in its purpose, somewhat.

  83. Okay stuff on the other side that needs to go.

    Any museum of modern art including the Guggenheim. None of them have any art and are better off as homeless shelters.

    Apple’s UFO command center. Just nuke it from orbit. It just shows why nerds have no aesthetics.

    The Mao/MLK statue – it looks like a fat Chinaman in a suit.

    Bill Clinton’s statue – though welding a marital aid to the front would suffice.

  84. Well, somebody ought to obliterate that Lucille Ball statue in upstate New York. Thing could give kids – and their parents – nightmares.

    Whoops! My bad – somebody already did.

  85. So is the idea now that the NYT does an annual poll and any statue that polls over 50% comes down? What a world we live in.

    Regarding James Madison, it is important to remember that he advocated for the three-fifths of a person constitutional compromise. Surely that is worse than being a slaveholder (and since being a slaveholder is literally Hitler…).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison#The_Federalist_Papers_and_ratification_debates

    I guess we have moved beyond Diversity Pokemon Points to also counting up Deplorable Pokemon Points. Are they simply inverses or is the relationship more complicated than that?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Regarding James Madison, it is important to remember that he advocated for the three-fifths of a person constitutional compromise. Surely that is worse than being a slaveholder (and since being a slaveholder is literally Hitler…).
     
    I always love pointing out to SJWs that the three-fifths compromise was an anti-slavery measure....
  86. @Olorin
    I can bring to this most worthy project a wide array of chainsaws, flamethrowers (weeders, but I can adapt), claymores, tannerite, .50 BMG rounds, and with a bit of help on the rental fees, a Husqvarna DXR 300 demo robot.

    Husqvarna DXR 300 demo robot

    Now that looks fun! https://www.husqvarnacp.com/us/machines/demolition-robots/dxr-300/967195602/

    What does it cost to rent one of those? And how big a deposit do you have to leave?

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Can't say, alas, but I do know that if we could raise a quarter mil we could buy one and a pretty decent service contract.

    Imagine taking that to Tony Podesta's house for some Artistic Creative Destruction! Booyah!
  87. @Pericles
    Sweden considers itself literally a Moral Great Power. No joke, though it's difficult not to laugh.

    I believe it's originally a Social-Democrat concept, perhaps from Olof Palme's era or even earlier (Dag Hammarskjöld?). I see that a government directive on foreign aid in 1962, which "internationalized" Swedish politics, might have been the inciting incident. The concept of Sweden the moral great power has since been adopted by shitlibs from all over Swedish politics, though it seems the earnestness has faded in the last decade or so and been replaced by sardonic smiles.

    (There's simultaneously lots of agonizing about arms deals with Saudi Arabia and other third world despots, of course.)

    Anyway, in summary, we're a very virtuous people.

    So is there some competition with Merkelland going or what?

    Who will reach Peak Antinazi first?

    • Replies: @Pericles
    In the 90s you could meet skinheads heiling away in the Stockholm night. Skinheads seem to be mostly forgotten, or relegated to the dustbin of history, these days.
  88. @syonredux

    I dunno. There are a lot of cats in New York. Their anti-dogism might win out.
     
    Many Muslims have negative feelings towards dogs.....

    In this episode, newlywed Arab-American Shadia tells Jeff, her Irish-American convert husband, that she does not want his dog to move with them to their new home. Shadia has allergies, and her asthma is exacerbated by the dog’s hair. This is an understandable and common dilemma. But Shadia bolsters her position with statements about the impermissibility for a Muslim to have dogs in the home. Her father will not pray in the house if the dog is there, she says, because dog hair is impure and a prayer space needs to be pure. Later, Shadia backs off from the religious argument, admitting that the main reason she doesn’t want a dog in the house is “I wasn’t raised with dogs; I’m not used to them.”
     
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ingrid-mattson/whats-up-with-muslims-and_b_1144819.html

    Islam forbids Muslims to keep dogs, and the punishment for that is that the one who does that loses one or two qiraats from his hasanaat (good deeds) each day. An exception has been made in the case of keeping dogs for hunting, guarding livestock and guarding crops.

    It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding, hunting or farming, one qiraat will be deducted from his reward each day.” Narrated by Muslim, 1575.

    It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding livestock or a dog that is trained for hunting, two qiraats will be deducted from his reward each day.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5163; Muslim, 1574.
     
    https://islamqa.info/en/69840

    There are many many versions of this story, but Muhammad (pbuh) allowed a cat to give birth on his cloak. He also cut off the sleeve of his prayer robe rather than wake his favourite cat, a female named Muezza, who was sleeping on it.
    They like cats and hate dogs. I’m with them. If you feel caring for a dog would make you complete, have a child. It’s much more rewarding.

    • Replies: @KM32
    People have dogs in addition to kids, and cats instead of kids. Cats are brood parasites.
    , @dr kill
    Hahaha. If you say so.
  89. @Prof. Woland
    MLK

    I think there needs to be push back on MLK starting with the FBI files that will come out in a decade. Rather than worship him, the right needs to taint him Alinsky style and drag him down to earth. Maybe then we will see some respect and humility on the left.

    I would be pretty surprised if the Feds released anything damning against MLK, ever.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @guest
    It's okay, we have plenty enough against him. He shouldn't be called "doctor," for one. Plagiarized his doctoral thesis, and probably a bunch of other stuff. That's public knowledge. As is his adultery. And his communistic tendencies. Also, he was a Christian of his time, and therefore against all manner of Current Year sensibilities.

    On top of all that, he was a Republican. The Establishment could abandon him any time it wants. More than enough justification. But the civil rights movement is their trump card, and he is its symbol.

    If they were to release the fact that he fed upon babies and was the conscientious agent of Ghost Hitler, would'nt matter.
    , @Prof. Woland
    It reminds me of the way Obama has hidden all of his past. To make saints out of them, they fist will need to destroy the ugly truths so they can then build a fanciful myth on top of the legend.
  90. @res
    So is the idea now that the NYT does an annual poll and any statue that polls over 50% comes down? What a world we live in.

    Regarding James Madison, it is important to remember that he advocated for the three-fifths of a person constitutional compromise. Surely that is worse than being a slaveholder (and since being a slaveholder is literally Hitler...).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison#The_Federalist_Papers_and_ratification_debates

    I guess we have moved beyond Diversity Pokemon Points to also counting up Deplorable Pokemon Points. Are they simply inverses or is the relationship more complicated than that?

    Regarding James Madison, it is important to remember that he advocated for the three-fifths of a person constitutional compromise. Surely that is worse than being a slaveholder (and since being a slaveholder is literally Hitler…).

    I always love pointing out to SJWs that the three-fifths compromise was an anti-slavery measure….

    • Replies: @res
    Indeed! And going on to point out that the Southerners wanted slaves to be counted as a full person while the Northerners wanted them not counted at all.
  91. @matt
    The Lenin statue (like the similar one in Seattle) is on private property. Under bourgeois law, its owners would be, in at least some circumstances, authorized to shoot you if you try to take it down or otherwise vandalize it.

    I can’t be the only reader who sees the irony in the continuing display of the statues of Lenin in NYC and Seattle is due to their being on PRIVATE PROPERTY.

  92. @JohnnyWalker123
    Why are so many people looking up her dress?

    Chicago is a city of perverts.

    There’s nothing perverted about looking up Monroe’s dress.

    Herbert Hoover’s or little Linda Graham’s is a different story.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Herbert or J.Edgar?

    What about a smaller J.Edgar Hoover statue on all fours looking up the Marilyn Monroe Statue? That could then be considered a deep meaningful commentary on just how frustrated '50's America was. Preaching and morality but underneath desperately trying to take a peek at the forbidden.

  93. @res

    Husqvarna DXR 300 demo robot
     
    Now that looks fun! https://www.husqvarnacp.com/us/machines/demolition-robots/dxr-300/967195602/

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xu133cWjQkk/maxresdefault.jpg

    What does it cost to rent one of those? And how big a deposit do you have to leave?

    Can’t say, alas, but I do know that if we could raise a quarter mil we could buy one and a pretty decent service contract.

    Imagine taking that to Tony Podesta’s house for some Artistic Creative Destruction! Booyah!

    • LOL: res
  94. Is it wrong that I can imagine a Planet of the Apes prequel with thousands of apes (perhaps with one in a fetching blue puffy vest) pulling down the Statue of Liberty … cut to Charlton Heston: “You maniacs- you finally did it!”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I'd go see that movie, even though I was burned by the last two PotAs.
    , @Pericles
    Only as long as there's a shot of one of the apes pocketing the deeply meaningful plaque at the base of the statue.
  95. @Bill Jones
    There's nothing perverted about looking up Monroe's dress.

    Herbert Hoover's or little Linda Graham's is a different story.

    Herbert or J.Edgar?

    What about a smaller J.Edgar Hoover statue on all fours looking up the Marilyn Monroe Statue? That could then be considered a deep meaningful commentary on just how frustrated ’50’s America was. Preaching and morality but underneath desperately trying to take a peek at the forbidden.

  96. @PiltdownMan
    Phantom, Robert E. Lee's less famous horse, is obviously named after Lee Falk's classic comic book character, The Phantom, who is a white man who rules over black people in a jungle cave in Africa.

    http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_3563/subcat_101696/aaPhantomdaily1071955.jpg

    And triggering doesn’t end there;

    Original Phantom’s father, also named Christopher Walker, had been a seaman since he was a young boy, and was the cabin boy on Christopher Columbus’ ship, the Santa María, when he sailed to the Americas.

    The second Phantom married Marabella, the granddaughter of Christopher Columbus.

    Phantom surrounded himself with a guard of pigmy- minions , while above mentioned horse is pure breed Lipizzaner stalion.

  97. @Anonymous
    There are statues of Groucho and Harpo Marx in Joilet that need to come down because of the blackface routine in A DAY AT THE RACES.

    The Lou Costello statue in Montclair, NJ should also come down for reasons I have yet to google.
  98. @dr kill
    There are many many versions of this story, but Muhammad (pbuh) allowed a cat to give birth on his cloak. He also cut off the sleeve of his prayer robe rather than wake his favourite cat, a female named Muezza, who was sleeping on it.
    They like cats and hate dogs. I'm with them. If you feel caring for a dog would make you complete, have a child. It's much more rewarding.

    People have dogs in addition to kids, and cats instead of kids. Cats are brood parasites.

  99. @TelfoedJohn
    Is it wrong that I can imagine a Planet of the Apes prequel with thousands of apes (perhaps with one in a fetching blue puffy vest) pulling down the Statue of Liberty ... cut to Charlton Heston: "You maniacs- you finally did it!"

    I’d go see that movie, even though I was burned by the last two PotAs.

  100. @Guy de Champlagne
    Getting rid of the statues and monuments will succeed in making America's already ugly and ahistorical cities even more so.

    And I think it make people admire figures like Robert E. Lee and Forrest less. Don't pretend that the cultural elite hasn't already diminished their reputations considerably over the last few decades. I see no reason why getting rid of their statues wouldn't further that and the cultural elite certainly thinks it will.

    And while it won't get rid of the magic voodoo forces holding blacks back it will help create a political environment that allows them to further expropriate and exploit white people. Although admittedly given what they're likely to actually get they'd still be better off just shooting for the kind of broad pro working and middle class reforms that you're implicitly saying they should be advocating for instead of the removal of statues.

    Of course, when the last white American dies or emigrates or “passes,” it’s a guarantee that in the new chaos-ridded Northern Guyana which lacks even the tropical charm of the actual Guyana, POC folklore will have it that the white devil is still responsible for the chaos decades after his extinction.

  101. @syonredux

    Regarding James Madison, it is important to remember that he advocated for the three-fifths of a person constitutional compromise. Surely that is worse than being a slaveholder (and since being a slaveholder is literally Hitler…).
     
    I always love pointing out to SJWs that the three-fifths compromise was an anti-slavery measure....

    Indeed! And going on to point out that the Southerners wanted slaves to be counted as a full person while the Northerners wanted them not counted at all.

    • Replies: @james wilson
    By my math the slavers won by a fifth.
  102. @J1234
    Meanwhile, New York City still has a street named for Samuel Dickstein, the congressman who helped found the HUAC, yet was a paid spy for the Soviet Union (documented.) The idea was that he could inform on the committee to Moscow, but be beyond suspicion since he was a founder (of what was essentially a proto-HUAC.).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/nyregion/samuel-dickstein-plaza-manhattan-soviet-spy.html?mcubz=0


    AND HANDS OFF LENIN!

    https://espressostalinist.com/2013/01/01/leave-the-vladimir-lenins-monuments-where-they-are-hands-off-lenin/

    Some lady tried to off Lenin and paid the price:

    “Late in the evening of the 30 August 1918, Vladimir Lenin, the Bolshevik leader, emerged from a meeting at the Hammer and Sickle factory in Moscow when he was approached by an unknown woman who called out his name. Detained momentarily by a colleague, who was remonstrating about bread shortages, Lenin was about to get into his car, his foot on the running board, when the woman produced a revolver and fired three shots. One shot missed him, ripping through his coat and hitting his colleague in her elbow, but the other two struck him down – one bullet went through his neck, the other into his left shoulder. Lenin survived – just. It had been the second attempt on Lenin’s life in just seven months.

    “Vladimir Lenin’s would-be assassin was 28-year-old Fanny Kaplan. Born Feiga Chaimovna Roytblat in the Ukraine on 10 February 1890, Kaplan, one of seven children, was drawn to revolutionary politics from a young age.

    http://www.historyinanhour.com/2013/02/10/fanny-kaplan-lenin/

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    We need more of this spirit in the US.
  103. @dr kill
    There are many many versions of this story, but Muhammad (pbuh) allowed a cat to give birth on his cloak. He also cut off the sleeve of his prayer robe rather than wake his favourite cat, a female named Muezza, who was sleeping on it.
    They like cats and hate dogs. I'm with them. If you feel caring for a dog would make you complete, have a child. It's much more rewarding.

    Hahaha. If you say so.

  104. Back in 2017, European barbarians (and even some naive Asians) enjoyed looking at statues of sexual assault- in Progress!

  105. @Olorin
    Football religio-culture as it has existed in State College and other places is one of the biggest forces "keeping white ethnics down."

    Then there's that thing of Coach turning a blind eye to many reports of pedo activity by Sandusky over the course of decades.

    Not just the evil of ignoring evil, the sense of betrayal on the part of many people who considered Paterno incorruptible.

    Well said.

    I watched Paterno carefully on the sidelines in 1998 in person, and was surprised to see just how removed he was from any in-game decision-making. His offensive and defensive coordinators were making all of the calls, and I mean all of them.

    He didn’t have a head-set on, instead he just paced the sidelines, muttering to himself.

    He looked lost and pathetic, even then.

    1998.

    He should have retired in his 50’s, not in his 80’s. Was it his ego that kept him chasing Bobby Bowden for the all-time win record?

    • Replies: @dr kill
    That Spanier didn't fire Joe was his worst mistake. Don't get me started on winning with honor. There is no honor in Happy Valley.
    , @Desiderius
    He was a sperg with a big heart.

    What else was he gonna do?
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    The back story is that PSU's higher ups wouldn't let him, he was too valuable as a fundraiser. For decades he was their main recruiting cash cow for the University. Literally. He raised millions for Happy Valley, who could take his place?
  106. @3g4me
    I want it all down. Washington Monument, Jefferson and Lincoln Memorials, interior and exterior sculptures and artistic decorations at the Capitol and the Library of Congress, etc. And definitely dynamite Mount Rushmore. Whites still cling to these few symbols as evidence that America is still America, when in reality not-A has been masquerading as A for decades now. Whatever it takes to shake people out of their stupor. A lot of the exquisite historical buildings in Europe have been rebuilt from the rubble they were bombed into during the War to Make the World Safe for Jews; I don't recall feeling as though I was somehow cheated when visiting Peterhof or the Hermitage.

    The globalist war on Whites and their history includes, by definition, a war on truth and beauty. Let every teeming vertical settlement pre-approved by the UN High Commissars include its offerings to benevolent Mandela and proud -yet-humble MLK. Let it be crammed down people's throats. For those who rightly fear even that won't be sufficient to "awaken" the Saxon, then I'd honestly rather leave the other races to their own crude facsimiles of art and architecture. They don't deserve even photos of our ruins.

    I’m with you. Burn it all. Knock off their noses and dicks.

  107. @Olorin
    Football religio-culture as it has existed in State College and other places is one of the biggest forces "keeping white ethnics down."

    Then there's that thing of Coach turning a blind eye to many reports of pedo activity by Sandusky over the course of decades.

    Not just the evil of ignoring evil, the sense of betrayal on the part of many people who considered Paterno incorruptible.

    JoePa’s statue would look good, nose-less and dick-less.

  108. @Paul Jolliffe
    Well said.

    I watched Paterno carefully on the sidelines in 1998 in person, and was surprised to see just how removed he was from any in-game decision-making. His offensive and defensive coordinators were making all of the calls, and I mean all of them.

    He didn't have a head-set on, instead he just paced the sidelines, muttering to himself.

    He looked lost and pathetic, even then.

    1998.

    He should have retired in his 50's, not in his 80's. Was it his ego that kept him chasing Bobby Bowden for the all-time win record?

    That Spanier didn’t fire Joe was his worst mistake. Don’t get me started on winning with honor. There is no honor in Happy Valley.

  109. @G Pinfold

    Still don't get all the Paterno hate.
     
    Read Steve's last Taki piece. It's all about shortcuts to intergenerational wealth transfer. It's always about this.

    Yeah, probably gonna have to connect some of those dots there.

  110. @Paul Jolliffe
    Well said.

    I watched Paterno carefully on the sidelines in 1998 in person, and was surprised to see just how removed he was from any in-game decision-making. His offensive and defensive coordinators were making all of the calls, and I mean all of them.

    He didn't have a head-set on, instead he just paced the sidelines, muttering to himself.

    He looked lost and pathetic, even then.

    1998.

    He should have retired in his 50's, not in his 80's. Was it his ego that kept him chasing Bobby Bowden for the all-time win record?

    He was a sperg with a big heart.

    What else was he gonna do?

  111. @Olorin
    Football religio-culture as it has existed in State College and other places is one of the biggest forces "keeping white ethnics down."

    Then there's that thing of Coach turning a blind eye to many reports of pedo activity by Sandusky over the course of decades.

    Not just the evil of ignoring evil, the sense of betrayal on the part of many people who considered Paterno incorruptible.

    Football religio-culture as it has existed in State College and other places is one of the biggest forces “keeping white ethnics down.”

    Paterno was the opposite of that. Family man, made sure his student-athletes got their degrees. Hundreds of character witnesses. Don’t let your sportsball-hate overwhelm your common sense.

    Then there’s that thing of Coach turning a blind eye to many reports of pedo activity by Sandusky over the course of decades.

    That’s like saying a kid with Down’s is turning a blind eye to advanced calculus. You really think think Paterno could have conceived in his wildest dreams the sort of shit Sandusky was up to? That said, when McQuery’s suspicions were reported to him, he reported it to the proper authorities as he was supposed to do. They dropped the ball, then told him not to follow up (if I’m mistaken, pls advise). Did it get to Paterno “many” times?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Uh, you are mistaken. For most of his life he was an honorable man, however, he dropped the ball. It's on him. Sandusky was more than just an ex-player. He was like a second son to Joe. Literally. Joe's loyalty to Jerry helped form his opinions and he turned blind eye when he shouldn't have. It's on him, especially when you consider that for Happy Valley (both for fans and the administration) for decades, Joe Paterno was Penn State. No one ever came close to his stature and authority. It was literally a cult unto itself. Even today, in parts of PA they still hold Joe Pa in great esteem and usually when pressed they'll cop the "He didn't know, he had no control over that whole thing."

    Let me spell it out. NO ONE at Penn State, repeat, no one, had the authority to do much of anything if Joe Paterno said no. His word was stronger than the Administration. He was there for nearly half a century. College Presidents come and go, but only one Joe Pa.

    Those that defend him even now have long drunk the Kool-Aid. It wasn't their kids.But then, they way some of these cult worshipping NCAA Happy Valleyites are, it may not have mattered. Sad, very sad to say so, but at some level it is the truth. So many people were in on the cover up. Was Paterno? No necessarily, at least not directly. Did he know?

    Probably. Because Sandusky was his boy, so to speak. The dude was a player for him, a coordinator, etc. for decades. As you said, Paterno took an active interest in his players as people. So he definitely knew that Jerry had problems. Perhaps he wanted to do the right thing (but never did), but was conflicted about what to do. The easy out is to simply ignore it and hope it would go away. Perhaps he rationalized that Jerry was always straight with him, and rumors and innuendos are merely idle talk. But to suggest he never knew, that's simply not possible at that campus.

    At a very basic level, Joe knew. He was Penn State, the idea that an adminstrator much less college president would act independently of him is ludicrous. They all knew, including him. It's sad that some would let a game like football take precedence over innocent kids lives. It's on him, because for many people over decades, Paterno was Penn State. Literally.

    Hopefully he is paying for that wherever he ended up.

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    The 2002 McQuery incident is the most damning one.

    McQeury's "suspicions" weren't merely "reported" to Paterno - McQuery was a horrified eye-witness to a late-night rape going on in the Penn State locker room showers. McQuery directly told Joe Paterno himself what he had seen less than 12 hours later.

    Paterno made it go away by making McQuery his offensive coordinator - a huge promotion for someone so relatively young.

    That was a Paterno pay-off to McQuery to say nothing further, and it worked until 2011.

    To imply that Paterno didn't pick his own coordinators is nonsense - Paterno picked McQuery because he knew exactly what had happened, and exactly how damning that would appear.

    And it was.

  112. @Mr. Anon
    Increasingly it seems in popular culture, heroes can only be portrayed as "other": outcasts, lone-wolves, half-breeds, etc.

    It’s a baby boomer thing. They dream of rebelling against mom and dad or “the man” even as they approach 60, and even when they have enough wealth, power and authority to make them “the man”.

    They have this need to be the underdog that used to be fulfilled by being powerless youth. Now that the “dont trust anyone over 30” is, er, outdated for them, they dont trust anyone who hasnt suffered at the hands of society. So they all suffered, according to them. Lastly, they taught their kids and grandkids to one up them. Not necessarily on purpose.

  113. @JohnnyWalker123
    Why are so many people looking up her dress?

    Chicago is a city of perverts.

    Why are so many people looking up her dress?

    Chicago is a city of perverts.

    –just checking if the carpet matches the drapes

  114. @res
    Indeed! And going on to point out that the Southerners wanted slaves to be counted as a full person while the Northerners wanted them not counted at all.

    By my math the slavers won by a fifth.

  115. @Pericles
    Sweden considers itself literally a Moral Great Power. No joke, though it's difficult not to laugh.

    I believe it's originally a Social-Democrat concept, perhaps from Olof Palme's era or even earlier (Dag Hammarskjöld?). I see that a government directive on foreign aid in 1962, which "internationalized" Swedish politics, might have been the inciting incident. The concept of Sweden the moral great power has since been adopted by shitlibs from all over Swedish politics, though it seems the earnestness has faded in the last decade or so and been replaced by sardonic smiles.

    (There's simultaneously lots of agonizing about arms deals with Saudi Arabia and other third world despots, of course.)

    Anyway, in summary, we're a very virtuous people.

    Sweden’s moral superiority goes way back. In 1938, Swedish Nobel-laureate economist Gunnar Myrdal was funded by the Carnegie Corporation to write a report on race relations in America. The result, published in 1944, was An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy. Wikipedia states,

    It sold over 100,000 copies and went through 25 printings before going into its second edition in 1965. It was enormously influential in how racial issues were viewed in the United States, and it was cited in the landmark Brown v. Board of Education case….In many ways it laid the groundwork for future policies of racial integration and affirmative action….Myrdal believed he saw a vicious cycle in which whites oppressed Negroes, and then pointed to Negroes’ poor performance as reason for the oppression. The way out of this cycle, he argued, was to either cure whites of the prejudice he believed existed, or to improve the circumstances of Negroes, which would then disprove whites’ preconceived notions.

    Still waiting for those preconceived notions to be disproved!

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @guest
    It continues to baffle me that they thought Negro problems were caused by white notions. Weren't they aware of that continent my atlas calls "Africa?"

    Ah, but the Blank Slate covers up all kinds of uncomfortable knowledge. Theoretically, if we're all the same and dirt is magical, they should be interchangeable with whites. Therefore, if they aren't, it's the fault of their environment, i.e. white people.

    We can wait until the crack of doom for the Gap to be closed. Myrdals of the world will be like doctrinaire Marxists waiting for the proletariat to revolt, even after there're no proles anymore. There will be robots, though. I suppose they could fulfill the communist dream.

    , @Pericles
    The Myrdal family was an odd ultraleftist public intellectual one, one which could flourish in that era.
    In retrospect, I think his wife Alva and son Jan were worse specimens than Gunnar, though I have no special affection for the man himself. (It was rather amusing when the left freaked out as he got the joint Nobel with Hayek.)

    Regarding that book, I haven't read it but I note that it was financed in the USA by some foundation-sounding entity. Would it be too paranoid to suspect the topic was given by the sponsor?
  116. @TTSSYF
    I think it's because he apparently turned a blind eye to Sandusky's child sexual assaults.

    They might want to hold off on the Paterno statue. The legitimization of child sexual assault is scheduled to be the cause célèbre of 2018.

  117. @Jim Don Bob
    I remember Phantom comics from when I was a kid; I thought they were cool.

    Billy Zane didn’t look so cool in that Phantom costume. Hard to live down that role.

  118. @Buzz Mohawk
    Sadly, they took Marilyn Monroe down in Chicago in 2012. Too blonde I guess:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3Bd5xDtH3DQ/TiGlPGwaGXI/AAAAAAAAAtc/PlC5Juyp2Z0/s1600/132085-26-foot-tall-statue-of-marilyn-monroe-in-chicago.jpg

    Here's the story:
    http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-quirk/2012/05/the-marilyn-monroe-statue-is-leaving-finally/
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I've seen that fiberglass statue of MM.
    , @Anon 2
    Predictably, there is no statue of Tom Ewell who accompanied
    Marilyn in that iconic scene from The Seven Year Itch. It confirms
    the adage that no group is as powerful as beautiful young women
    (and let's not forget - wealthy older men)
  119. @CCZ
    She "lives" in Palm Springs.

    http://palmsprings.com/marilyn-monroe-statue/index.html

    I’ve seen that fiberglass statue of MM.

  120. @Paul Jolliffe
    Well said.

    I watched Paterno carefully on the sidelines in 1998 in person, and was surprised to see just how removed he was from any in-game decision-making. His offensive and defensive coordinators were making all of the calls, and I mean all of them.

    He didn't have a head-set on, instead he just paced the sidelines, muttering to himself.

    He looked lost and pathetic, even then.

    1998.

    He should have retired in his 50's, not in his 80's. Was it his ego that kept him chasing Bobby Bowden for the all-time win record?

    The back story is that PSU’s higher ups wouldn’t let him, he was too valuable as a fundraiser. For decades he was their main recruiting cash cow for the University. Literally. He raised millions for Happy Valley, who could take his place?

  121. I would hate for one of the cntrl-left types to read this, but what about the multiple sets of Jake and Elwood Blues statues in the Chicago Midway Airport Terminal?

    I know they were on a Mission from God and all, but they made more money playing the blues than many of the original artists. Plus, they dissed The Penguin, were a bit misogynistic toward that Star Wars lady down in the tunnel, and how about that race-baiting of Aretha Franklin (who orders 4 fried chickens and a Coke, anyway, right?)

    The Blues Brothers have been on the hate-radar, the HADAR, for a while now anyway, as they are listed by SCMODs*, the precurser to the SPLC.

    Of course, they also hate Illinois Nazis, so they’ve got that going for them.

    * State, County, Municipal, Oh-fender Database.

  122. @Desiderius

    Football religio-culture as it has existed in State College and other places is one of the biggest forces “keeping white ethnics down.”
     
    Paterno was the opposite of that. Family man, made sure his student-athletes got their degrees. Hundreds of character witnesses. Don't let your sportsball-hate overwhelm your common sense.

    Then there’s that thing of Coach turning a blind eye to many reports of pedo activity by Sandusky over the course of decades.
     
    That's like saying a kid with Down's is turning a blind eye to advanced calculus. You really think think Paterno could have conceived in his wildest dreams the sort of shit Sandusky was up to? That said, when McQuery's suspicions were reported to him, he reported it to the proper authorities as he was supposed to do. They dropped the ball, then told him not to follow up (if I'm mistaken, pls advise). Did it get to Paterno "many" times?

    Uh, you are mistaken. For most of his life he was an honorable man, however, he dropped the ball. It’s on him. Sandusky was more than just an ex-player. He was like a second son to Joe. Literally. Joe’s loyalty to Jerry helped form his opinions and he turned blind eye when he shouldn’t have. It’s on him, especially when you consider that for Happy Valley (both for fans and the administration) for decades, Joe Paterno was Penn State. No one ever came close to his stature and authority. It was literally a cult unto itself. Even today, in parts of PA they still hold Joe Pa in great esteem and usually when pressed they’ll cop the “He didn’t know, he had no control over that whole thing.”

    Let me spell it out. NO ONE at Penn State, repeat, no one, had the authority to do much of anything if Joe Paterno said no. His word was stronger than the Administration. He was there for nearly half a century. College Presidents come and go, but only one Joe Pa.

    Those that defend him even now have long drunk the Kool-Aid. It wasn’t their kids.But then, they way some of these cult worshipping NCAA Happy Valleyites are, it may not have mattered. Sad, very sad to say so, but at some level it is the truth. So many people were in on the cover up. Was Paterno? No necessarily, at least not directly. Did he know?

    Probably. Because Sandusky was his boy, so to speak. The dude was a player for him, a coordinator, etc. for decades. As you said, Paterno took an active interest in his players as people. So he definitely knew that Jerry had problems. Perhaps he wanted to do the right thing (but never did), but was conflicted about what to do. The easy out is to simply ignore it and hope it would go away. Perhaps he rationalized that Jerry was always straight with him, and rumors and innuendos are merely idle talk. But to suggest he never knew, that’s simply not possible at that campus.

    At a very basic level, Joe knew. He was Penn State, the idea that an adminstrator much less college president would act independently of him is ludicrous. They all knew, including him. It’s sad that some would let a game like football take precedence over innocent kids lives. It’s on him, because for many people over decades, Paterno was Penn State. Literally.

    Hopefully he is paying for that wherever he ended up.

  123. @Darwinian Arminian
    Still can't figure out why I'm seeing the American songwriter Stephen Foster on this list. I won't pretend that his work qualifies as some kind of timeless sonic monument, and I also probably wasn't the only kid who got sick of having to hear his music sung repeatedly over a late-night campfire. But how does any of that earn someone a spot on the chopping block when we're purging our nation's history of its worst monsters?

    Then again, maybe this is just the first step in an attempt to change the scenery given the current "white guys go down, black guys up" fad in American sculpture. If Foster comes down, what black musician should be selected to take his place? I suggest Clarence Walker, the unknown Fifth Beatle who was cheated out of his musical legacy by those horrid racists John Lennon and Paul McCartney:


    https://youtu.be/q3ilQZi_weI

    I’ll tell you why Stephen Foster: cultural appropriation. He took minstrelsy, which belonged to them. (We wuz mistrelz.) Though whites played it along with blacks probably from the beginning, and before Foster. He stands as a symbol of whites stealing black culture. Also, he wrote it better, which stings.

    I own two books about Foster. One is from the Bad Old Days and doesn’t count. The other is academic-y, full of cultural anthropological muck. It’s all race. Race, race, race. I only bought it because I loved the title: Doo-dah!

    There’s something about white people doing minstrel music for blacks and libs, like hitting a funny bone. You know, the whole blackface thing. They can hold Foster responsible for that, because they can.

    Finally, some of his lyrics are “problematic.” De Camptown Races is in the Ebonics of the day: “Gwine to run all night; gwine to run all day!” My Old Kentucky Home uses the word “darkies ” though I notice the Kentucky Derby omits it in their annual recital. My understanding is that Foster was inspired to write it by reading Uncle Tom’s Cabin, and it’s supposed to be abolitionist, but that hardly matters. There’s no saving him.

  124. @Jasper Been
    I would be pretty surprised if the Feds released anything damning against MLK, ever.

    It’s okay, we have plenty enough against him. He shouldn’t be called “doctor,” for one. Plagiarized his doctoral thesis, and probably a bunch of other stuff. That’s public knowledge. As is his adultery. And his communistic tendencies. Also, he was a Christian of his time, and therefore against all manner of Current Year sensibilities.

    On top of all that, he was a Republican. The Establishment could abandon him any time it wants. More than enough justification. But the civil rights movement is their trump card, and he is its symbol.

    If they were to release the fact that he fed upon babies and was the conscientious agent of Ghost Hitler, would’nt matter.

  125. @Harry Baldwin
    Sweden's moral superiority goes way back. In 1938, Swedish Nobel-laureate economist Gunnar Myrdal was funded by the Carnegie Corporation to write a report on race relations in America. The result, published in 1944, was An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy. Wikipedia states,

    It sold over 100,000 copies and went through 25 printings before going into its second edition in 1965. It was enormously influential in how racial issues were viewed in the United States, and it was cited in the landmark Brown v. Board of Education case....In many ways it laid the groundwork for future policies of racial integration and affirmative action....Myrdal believed he saw a vicious cycle in which whites oppressed Negroes, and then pointed to Negroes' poor performance as reason for the oppression. The way out of this cycle, he argued, was to either cure whites of the prejudice he believed existed, or to improve the circumstances of Negroes, which would then disprove whites' preconceived notions.
     
    Still waiting for those preconceived notions to be disproved!

    It continues to baffle me that they thought Negro problems were caused by white notions. Weren’t they aware of that continent my atlas calls “Africa?”

    Ah, but the Blank Slate covers up all kinds of uncomfortable knowledge. Theoretically, if we’re all the same and dirt is magical, they should be interchangeable with whites. Therefore, if they aren’t, it’s the fault of their environment, i.e. white people.

    We can wait until the crack of doom for the Gap to be closed. Myrdals of the world will be like doctrinaire Marxists waiting for the proletariat to revolt, even after there’re no proles anymore. There will be robots, though. I suppose they could fulfill the communist dream.

  126. @syonredux

    What is sad (and funny) about this crazy statue smashing is that it will change nothing. No one who admires Robert E. Lee (or even Nathan Bedford Forrest) will admire him less if the statue comes down. No black kid will get a better education or better parenting or a safer neighborhood.
     
    Clearly you don't understand that these statues emit powerful vril-rays that are toxic to people with Black Bodies......

    Incredibly, no one has thought to explain why Black Bodies seemed to multiply so fruitfully within the walls of these racist-statued cities, from the 1940s through the 1980s, but then empirical evidence has never been of great importance in countering the fantasies of a people whose imaginations are still colored by belief in magic…

  127. @Olorin
    Football religio-culture as it has existed in State College and other places is one of the biggest forces "keeping white ethnics down."

    Then there's that thing of Coach turning a blind eye to many reports of pedo activity by Sandusky over the course of decades.

    Not just the evil of ignoring evil, the sense of betrayal on the part of many people who considered Paterno incorruptible.

    Killing the NCAA racket and replacing it with a return to real, participative athleticsm and sportsmanship with minimal spectatorship should be regarded as a cultural priority for the alt-right. It would also help get rid of ESPN and land a blow to the cable TV mafia.

  128. @Desiderius

    Football religio-culture as it has existed in State College and other places is one of the biggest forces “keeping white ethnics down.”
     
    Paterno was the opposite of that. Family man, made sure his student-athletes got their degrees. Hundreds of character witnesses. Don't let your sportsball-hate overwhelm your common sense.

    Then there’s that thing of Coach turning a blind eye to many reports of pedo activity by Sandusky over the course of decades.
     
    That's like saying a kid with Down's is turning a blind eye to advanced calculus. You really think think Paterno could have conceived in his wildest dreams the sort of shit Sandusky was up to? That said, when McQuery's suspicions were reported to him, he reported it to the proper authorities as he was supposed to do. They dropped the ball, then told him not to follow up (if I'm mistaken, pls advise). Did it get to Paterno "many" times?

    The 2002 McQuery incident is the most damning one.

    McQeury’s “suspicions” weren’t merely “reported” to Paterno – McQuery was a horrified eye-witness to a late-night rape going on in the Penn State locker room showers. McQuery directly told Joe Paterno himself what he had seen less than 12 hours later.

    Paterno made it go away by making McQuery his offensive coordinator – a huge promotion for someone so relatively young.

    That was a Paterno pay-off to McQuery to say nothing further, and it worked until 2011.

    To imply that Paterno didn’t pick his own coordinators is nonsense – Paterno picked McQuery because he knew exactly what had happened, and exactly how damning that would appear.

    And it was.

  129. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Newton referred to the great works of European sculpture as "stone dolls". So it's not surprising that a physicist (if you are one) might say that sculpture is "just there, like garbage cans..."

    "The truth is that the vast majority of us never pay any attention to these statues..." Is that "the truth", Mr. Scientist? I'd like some scientific meat on those bones, as in one of your famous "peer-reviewed studies" (read Vox Day about that).

    Why do you think the Tien An Men protesters spent four days constructing a "Goddess of Democracy" statue during the pro-democracy movement in China? Unfortunately, that event cannot be reproduced in a laboratory, so maybe it should go into The Journal of Irreproducible Results.

    If nobody cares about sculptures, why so much fiery animus against them by so many? Why are they prohibited in the Second Commandment? Why the importance of the Golden Calf in the Bible? Why the public fuss over "Fearless Girl" in Manhattan?

    It's almost enough to make a physicist betake himself to his laboratory in search of Answers to Deep Questions. But I am sure that Science will eventually solve these questions, along with all others, one fine day.

    Eustace Tilley (not) wrote to me:

    If nobody cares about sculptures, why so much fiery animus against them by so many? Why are they prohibited in the Second Commandment? Why the importance of the Golden Calf in the Bible? Why the public fuss over “Fearless Girl” in Manhattan?

    Ummm… most people think the Second Commandment was, like, about idols, you know? If it is about statues in general, then all Christians and Jews should favor tearing down all statues!

    And, the Golden Calf is portrayed as an idol, not just a random statue.

    As to “Fearless Girl,” you make my point. We spent a couple of weeks this spring in Manhattan, saw all the tourist sites, talked a lot to the locals… never heard a word about “Fearless Girl.” Who the hell is “Fearless Girl”?

    Is she dead?

    Seriously, I have lived in five major metropolitan areas during the last fifty years, I’m sure they all have lots and lots of statues. Very few people care. This statue fetishism is something you share with BLM, the antifas, etc. And the current brouhaha is getting lots of normal people riled up, too.

    But prior to the current tumult, I just never heard ordinary people express much interest in these statues. (Hint: maybe that is because most of the sculptors of American civic art were not very good.)

    On the other hand, I will admit that we stayed near Columbus Circle in NYC, and there does seem to be a certain logic in leaving Columbus at Columbus Circle.

    Dave

  130. Someone tweeted that they need to take down the statue of Rocky in Philadelphia. After all, he beat up three blacks and a Communist.

  131. OT but related to statues…

    http://www.showbiz411.com/2017/08/30/looming-a-return-to-an-all-white-oscars-as-fall-season-has-few-potential-black-nominees

    Uh oh.

    After such a great year this past year with making the Academy more multicultural, trouble is on the horizon. There are few potential black nominees for the Oscars. Very few.

  132. The New York Times is reporting a boom in Confederate monuments on private land.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/us/confederate-monuments.html?mcubz=0

    I’m doing my share. Since last week, a bust of my hero, Robert E. Lee, occupies a privileged position on the mantlepiece.

    My son and I were Civil War reenactors in the 1980s (Union side). I’m also a multi-decade aficionado of Civil War history. My take is that South’s position on seceding from the Union is unassailable. South Carolina’s well-written justification for seceding from the Union is worth a read.

    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/south-carolina-declaration-of-causes-of-secession/

    Lincoln, with a legacy as a corporate lawyer for northern steel and railroad interests, represents the beginning of the Deep State in America and the end of the American experiment in a Constitutional order.

    According to Carroll Quigley in his seminal, “Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time,” J. P. Morgan and associates ran the country post-Civil War, including alternating Republican and Democratic candidates for President to maintain the appearance of democracy. In the 1930s, that mantle passed to John D. Rockefeller and his associates, which continued into the present era under the tutelage of his descendants.

    How complete is that control? As told in John Pilger’s book, “The New Rulers of the World,” after the 1967 CIA-sponsored coup against Sukarno in Indonesia, David Rockefeller called a meeting of Western corporate moguls to divide up the spoils in the country. David Rockefeller assigned Indonesia’s economic sectors to the participants.

    A related story is the case of David Rockefeller introducing Jimmy Carter as the next President of the United States (a done deal) to members of the Rockefeller-sponsored Council on Foreign Relations … before Carter had announced his candidacy.

    Antifa thugs ruling the streets … patriots as “Nazi” … tearing down monuments as part of an expansive program to delegitimize White European culture and, by association, the government of the United States. It looks like the Deep State is in the midst of a coup in the United States.

    There is a pressing need to reassess who are the patriots and who are the traitors.

  133. @Olorin

    * (Name Balto is of Babylonian origin, and it means “Baal protect the king”)
     
    Yeah, that's accurate, coz Sami people are always naming sheeit after Babylonians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Balto

    Once upon a time there were Three Four Wise Commentators who nicked themselves after characters from the Good Book; Melchior, Caspar , Balthasar, and … Olorin.

    bored identity dunno what happened with first three of them, but an all-time high analytical retentiveness of the latter one is definitely a gift that still keeps on giving :

  134. @Olorin

    * (Name Balto is of Babylonian origin, and it means “Baal protect the king”)
     
    Yeah, that's accurate, coz Sami people are always naming sheeit after Babylonians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Balto

    Once upon a time there were Three Four Wise Commentators who nicked themselves after characters from the Good Book; Melchior, Caspar , Balthasar, and … Olorin.

    bored identity dunno what happened with first three of them, but an all-time high analytical retentiveness of the latter one is definitely a gift that still keeps on giving :

  135. @Pericles
    Sweden considers itself literally a Moral Great Power. No joke, though it's difficult not to laugh.

    I believe it's originally a Social-Democrat concept, perhaps from Olof Palme's era or even earlier (Dag Hammarskjöld?). I see that a government directive on foreign aid in 1962, which "internationalized" Swedish politics, might have been the inciting incident. The concept of Sweden the moral great power has since been adopted by shitlibs from all over Swedish politics, though it seems the earnestness has faded in the last decade or so and been replaced by sardonic smiles.

    (There's simultaneously lots of agonizing about arms deals with Saudi Arabia and other third world despots, of course.)

    Anyway, in summary, we're a very virtuous people.

    Moral Great Power? Sweden is an agent of death – per capita
    Sweden is the world’s largest exporter of deadly arms.

    The Swedes spent World War II going to the beach and getting
    filthy rich on lucrative contracts with Nazi Germany. Going further back,
    Sweden inflicted horrible suffering on Europe when it was a major
    power in the 16th-18th centuries. Do I need to go back to the Vikings
    and Berserkers who are well documented to have been gang rapists
    and slavers? Sweden has a lot to repent for

    • Replies: @Pericles
    HAVE YOU ever been to a Swedish beach? It's one way to mortify the body.
  136. @Jasper Been
    I would be pretty surprised if the Feds released anything damning against MLK, ever.

    It reminds me of the way Obama has hidden all of his past. To make saints out of them, they fist will need to destroy the ugly truths so they can then build a fanciful myth on top of the legend.

  137. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Some direct action:

    YONKERS – Police are looking for someone who vandalized a Christopher Columbus bust in a Yonkers park.

    The damage in Columbus Memorial Park on Park Hill Avenue was reported to police Tuesday morning; no one has been arrested.

    “We are investigating, including the possibility that it could have been juvenile vandalism,” Yonkers police spokesman Sgt. Dean Politopoulos wrote in an email.

    Arty Thanasoulis said he reported the damage to police Tuesday after noticing the bust was missing from its pedestal Monday afternoon. Thanasoulis speculated the vandalism might be related to recent events around the country in which Confederate statues have been vandalized or removed.

    “Everybody wants to change history,” he said.

    Arty is a philosopher.

  138. @Anonymous
    It looks like a new statue of Martin Luther King was just unveiled in Atlanta this past Monday. His daughter said, “It’s about time.” White guys coming down, black guys going up.

    http://fox17.com/news/nation-world/statue-of-martin-luther-king-jr-unveiled-in-his-hometown-08-28-2017

    Martin Luther King was antigay so he needs to be
    confined to the dustbin of history lol

  139. @Anonymous
    It looks like a new statue of Martin Luther King was just unveiled in Atlanta this past Monday. His daughter said, “It’s about time.” White guys coming down, black guys going up.

    http://fox17.com/news/nation-world/statue-of-martin-luther-king-jr-unveiled-in-his-hometown-08-28-2017

    Hundreds if not thousands of Confederate Era statues
    have been going up on private property in the last 20-30 years.
    New York Times had a story about it yesterday. It looks like
    Alt-left is on a futile quest

  140. Anonymous [AKA "brazen giant"] says:

    Trump could take “The New Colossus” off The Statue of Liberty if he wanted to.

    Emma Lazarus plaque > Statue of Liberty Museum
    Statue of Liberty Museum > Statue of Liberty National Monument
    Statue of Liberty National Monument > National Park Service
    National Park Service > Department of the Interior
    Department of the Interior > White House Cabinet
    White House Cabinet > Literallyhitler

    MISTER TRUMP TEAR DOWN THAT POEM

  141. @CCZ
    She "lives" in Palm Springs.

    http://palmsprings.com/marilyn-monroe-statue/index.html

    Predictably, there is no statue of Tom Ewell who accompanied
    Marilyn in that iconic scene from The Seven Year Itch. It confirms
    the adage that no group is as powerful as beautiful young women
    (and let’s not forget – wealthy older men)

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    beautiful young women bring wonderful things to bed with them.
    The same s not true of wealthly older men,
  142. To all commenters:
    1> Watch your OPSEC. Make a secret identity. Don’t post as Bruce Wayne, post as Batman. Do not post under your name or from your own devices. The Leftists will return to power and they will come for you.
    2> Stop making useless comments so that we can find the relevant, intelligent comments more easily. If you need to show off, do it elsewhere.
    3> The crazier the Left gets, the more we are tempted to think that it can’t go on like that. But it can and will. Study the origins and crimes of the USSR. Communist dictatorship could happen here.

  143. @El Dato
    So is there some competition with Merkelland going or what?

    Who will reach Peak Antinazi first?

    In the 90s you could meet skinheads heiling away in the Stockholm night. Skinheads seem to be mostly forgotten, or relegated to the dustbin of history, these days.

  144. @Harry Baldwin
    Sweden's moral superiority goes way back. In 1938, Swedish Nobel-laureate economist Gunnar Myrdal was funded by the Carnegie Corporation to write a report on race relations in America. The result, published in 1944, was An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy. Wikipedia states,

    It sold over 100,000 copies and went through 25 printings before going into its second edition in 1965. It was enormously influential in how racial issues were viewed in the United States, and it was cited in the landmark Brown v. Board of Education case....In many ways it laid the groundwork for future policies of racial integration and affirmative action....Myrdal believed he saw a vicious cycle in which whites oppressed Negroes, and then pointed to Negroes' poor performance as reason for the oppression. The way out of this cycle, he argued, was to either cure whites of the prejudice he believed existed, or to improve the circumstances of Negroes, which would then disprove whites' preconceived notions.
     
    Still waiting for those preconceived notions to be disproved!

    The Myrdal family was an odd ultraleftist public intellectual one, one which could flourish in that era.
    In retrospect, I think his wife Alva and son Jan were worse specimens than Gunnar, though I have no special affection for the man himself. (It was rather amusing when the left freaked out as he got the joint Nobel with Hayek.)

    Regarding that book, I haven’t read it but I note that it was financed in the USA by some foundation-sounding entity. Would it be too paranoid to suspect the topic was given by the sponsor?

  145. @TelfoedJohn
    Is it wrong that I can imagine a Planet of the Apes prequel with thousands of apes (perhaps with one in a fetching blue puffy vest) pulling down the Statue of Liberty ... cut to Charlton Heston: "You maniacs- you finally did it!"

    Only as long as there’s a shot of one of the apes pocketing the deeply meaningful plaque at the base of the statue.

  146. @Anon 2
    Moral Great Power? Sweden is an agent of death - per capita
    Sweden is the world's largest exporter of deadly arms.

    The Swedes spent World War II going to the beach and getting
    filthy rich on lucrative contracts with Nazi Germany. Going further back,
    Sweden inflicted horrible suffering on Europe when it was a major
    power in the 16th-18th centuries. Do I need to go back to the Vikings
    and Berserkers who are well documented to have been gang rapists
    and slavers? Sweden has a lot to repent for

    HAVE YOU ever been to a Swedish beach? It’s one way to mortify the body.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    True, compared to France or Spain, Sweden's beaches
    are not particularly impressive, especially considering
    that Scandinavia is basically Europe's Alaska (Stockholm's
    latitude is close to that of Anchorage!). But I have also
    seen Bergman's film "Sommaren med Monika" (1953) /i.e., Summer
    with Monika/, and it 's what people DO on the beach or
    on the boats that counts
  147. The paths of the 2017 and 2024 solar eclipses form a suspiciously Confederate-looking figure across the US.

    Note that the vortex of this conspiracy happens to be Carbondale, Illinois– home of Southern Illinois University!

    SIU also has a film school, which just doesn’t seem right. Has anything ever come out of there?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A lot of the Steppenwolf actors went to Southern Illinois U. for awhile in the 1970s.
  148. @Pericles
    HAVE YOU ever been to a Swedish beach? It's one way to mortify the body.

    True, compared to France or Spain, Sweden’s beaches
    are not particularly impressive, especially considering
    that Scandinavia is basically Europe’s Alaska (Stockholm’s
    latitude is close to that of Anchorage!). But I have also
    seen Bergman’s film “Sommaren med Monika” (1953) /i.e., Summer
    with Monika/, and it ‘s what people DO on the beach or
    on the boats that counts

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Well, why not visit Pite Havsbad? (pronounced Petey) It's only a nine-hour drive north from Stockholm and I have myself frolicked in its Baltic waves.

    Roadmap can be found here: http://www.pitehavsbad.se/kontakt/

  149. Where is that painting of Harold Washington in women’s lingerie today? Next to the nude of Sarah Palin?

    Or in the AIC, between American Gothic and A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte?

    I wonder if Steve misses the Chicago art scene.

  150. @Reg Cæsar
    The paths of the 2017 and 2024 solar eclipses form a suspiciously Confederate-looking figure across the US.

    Note that the vortex of this conspiracy happens to be Carbondale, Illinois-- home of Southern Illinois University!

    SIU also has a film school, which just doesn't seem right. Has anything ever come out of there?

    A lot of the Steppenwolf actors went to Southern Illinois U. for awhile in the 1970s.

  151. @Joe Stalin
    Some lady tried to off Lenin and paid the price:

    "Late in the evening of the 30 August 1918, Vladimir Lenin, the Bolshevik leader, emerged from a meeting at the Hammer and Sickle factory in Moscow when he was approached by an unknown woman who called out his name. Detained momentarily by a colleague, who was remonstrating about bread shortages, Lenin was about to get into his car, his foot on the running board, when the woman produced a revolver and fired three shots. One shot missed him, ripping through his coat and hitting his colleague in her elbow, but the other two struck him down – one bullet went through his neck, the other into his left shoulder. Lenin survived – just. It had been the second attempt on Lenin’s life in just seven months.

    "Vladimir Lenin’s would-be assassin was 28-year-old Fanny Kaplan. Born Feiga Chaimovna Roytblat in the Ukraine on 10 February 1890, Kaplan, one of seven children, was drawn to revolutionary politics from a young age.

    http://www.historyinanhour.com/2013/02/10/fanny-kaplan-lenin/

    We need more of this spirit in the US.

  152. @Anon 2
    Predictably, there is no statue of Tom Ewell who accompanied
    Marilyn in that iconic scene from The Seven Year Itch. It confirms
    the adage that no group is as powerful as beautiful young women
    (and let's not forget - wealthy older men)

    beautiful young women bring wonderful things to bed with them.
    The same s not true of wealthly older men,

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    Other than the beautiful young women, of course
  153. @Anon 2
    True, compared to France or Spain, Sweden's beaches
    are not particularly impressive, especially considering
    that Scandinavia is basically Europe's Alaska (Stockholm's
    latitude is close to that of Anchorage!). But I have also
    seen Bergman's film "Sommaren med Monika" (1953) /i.e., Summer
    with Monika/, and it 's what people DO on the beach or
    on the boats that counts

    Well, why not visit Pite Havsbad? (pronounced Petey) It’s only a nine-hour drive north from Stockholm and I have myself frolicked in its Baltic waves.

    Roadmap can be found here: http://www.pitehavsbad.se/kontakt/

  154. @Bill Jones
    beautiful young women bring wonderful things to bed with them.
    The same s not true of wealthly older men,

    Other than the beautiful young women, of course

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