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Will Obama intervene in the Democratic fight for the Presidential nomination? What will happen in tonight’s debate? Sunday’s South Carolina primary? Next week’s Super Tuesday?

 
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  1. anon[555] • Disclaimer says:

    Will Obama intervene in the Democratic fight for the Presidential nomination?

    Not yet.

    What will happen in tonight’s debate?

    MiniMike will demand that his podium be far away from the librarian’s.

    Sunday’s South Carolina primary?

    That’s Uncle Creepy Joe’s last chance for any cred.

    Next week’s Super Tuesday?

    Corona-chan’s campaign will go viral thanks to the memes!

  2. Obama doesn’t have enough pull to change the outcome, so it would diminish him to make an endorsement. It would look like a similar situation to all the establishment Republicans endorsing Ted Cruz after Rubio dropped out in a desperation attempt to stop Trump. There is also the question of who he could realistically endorse and have it come across as sincere. None of the remaining candidates fall into that category.

  3. He cant sell out Biden. It would be too tacky for words. Endorsements dont mean much any more.

  4. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:

    Obama endorsing would actually be a pretty solid act of leadership, coming from him. Problem is everyone knows he wouldn’t endorse Sanders, and he knows everyone knows this. So Obama won’t deign to say anything, even though endorsing whoever loses in the next cull is hardly shameful (as long as he gets behind Sanders in the end), rather probably healthy for Democrats. I get the sense he is too much of a jerk to do symbolic things on behalf of the party though

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    Obama endorsing would actually be a pretty solid act of leadership, coming from him. Problem is everyone knows he wouldn’t endorse Sanders, and he knows everyone knows this. So Obama won’t deign to say anything, even though endorsing whoever loses in the next cull is hardly shameful (as long as he gets behind Sanders in the end), rather probably healthy for Democrats. I get the sense he is too much of a jerk to do symbolic things on behalf of the party though
     
    Yeah this.

    This is an interesting post in the context of being shoulder-to-shoulder with the next one, about coronavirus. There's a lot of things that have gone right for Trump over the last 2-3 months or so, and I like his chances a lot better now than then.

    But we don't have the election in February, and the tide should shift the other way just as easily as in our favor. The coronavirus is one thing in particular. It had no political significance at all a week or two ago, but it could be a huge issue in the fall, or maybe even sooner than that.

    Or another thing, is if a candidate dies before Election Day, which hasn't happened in my memory, or even very much in history that I know of, but you gotta figure there's some chance of it if it's Trump vs. Bernie (or Bloomberg, or Joe, etc). If it is Bernie, and he does die, of any cause really, you'd have to think there would be a huge sympathy vote for whichever candidate replaces him.
  5. Obama dare not endorse anyone to stop Bernie. He would look bad when it failed. Can’t have that.

  6. He will endorse Katherine Johnson, an American mathematician whose calculations of orbital mechanics as a NASA employee were critical to the success of the first and subsequent U.S. crewed spaceflights [dubious – discuss], who died yesterday.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Dubious? I find your lack of faith disturbing. St. Katherine Johnson, PHUH, was, in the words of her page A1 NY Times obit, "one of the finest mathematical minds in the country".

    "Wielding little more than a pencil, a slide rule and [the aforementioned finest mind], Mrs. Johnson... calculated the precise trajectories that would let Apollo 11 land on the moon in 1969 and, after Neil Armstrong’s history-making moonwalk, let it return to Earth."

    So take that, Mr. Dubious. It was the proud black (ok, kinda beige-ish) Katherine Johnson and her slide rule that sent us to the moon, you filthy WN. The NY Times says so. Where's your printing press?
    , @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1232061971148746754
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Wiki on her is slightly more illuminating, at least in its links, to the "Glenn wouldn't fly without her OK" story.

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/katherine-johnson-the-girl-who-loved-to-count

    "As a computer, she calculated the trajectory for Alan Shepard, the first American in space. Even after NASA began using electronic computers, John Glenn requested that she personally recheck the calculations made by the new electronic computers before his flight aboard Friendship 7 – the mission on which he became the first American to orbit the Earth. "

    In other words, they'd introduced a new calculation method, and Glenn sensibly wanted the results double-checked against the old method - which isn't quite the impression we were given.

    Is there any contemporaneous evidence of this story, and that Glenn specifically asked for her? That NASA link is 2016, by which time Glenn had only months to live and NASA was as PC as can be.

    PS - after Trump's visit to India, BJP activists in Delhi attacked Muslims who were blocking roads in protest against India's new law prohibiting Muslim refugees getting citizenship, and it's all kicked off.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/26/delhi-protests-death-toll-climbs-amid-worst-religious-violence-for-decades


    "The death toll from the worst religious violence in Delhi in decades has risen to 20, as Muslims fled from their homes and several mosques in the capital smouldered after being attacked by Hindu mobs.

    The deathly clashes between Hindu and Muslim groups that began on Sunday showed no sign of abating on the third consecutive day, with reports of early morning looting on some Muslim homes which had been abandoned out of fear.

    More than 200 people were admitted to hospitals for injuries which ranged from gunshot wounds, to acid burns, stabbings and wounds from beatings and stone pelting. Several of those who died had jumped from high buildings to escape the attacking mobs."
     

  7. At the moment he’s working hard behind the scenes to screw over Bernie. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, being as how he was schooled in Illinois state politics, where that’s a given. But he’s sensitive to the plantation masters at the New York Times. He has to remain a loyal house slave and pretend to be above the fray until the nomination is won (or given) to someone else. Then he’ll endorse.

  8. With or without Obama’s endorsement, no candidate except Bernie has a chance at getting over 50% of delegates.

    There is no upside to backing one of the electoral dwarfs now. So Obama will wait until the brokered convention and then play king-maker to anoint a non-Bernie candidate if Bernie has to go to a second ballot.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This. King Obama humiliated again. He did try to scuttle Sanders last time and was so effective Wasserman-Schulz still had to rig elections.
    , @indocon
    That's just about the dream scenario for our side heading into November.
  9. Will Obama intervene in the Democratic fight for the Presidential nomination? What will happen in tonight’s debate? Sunday’s South Carolina primary? Next week’s Super Tuesday?

    It’s weird if he’s not attempting to broker a solution to the current problem behind the scenes. But maybe he just doesn’t care? Martha’s Vineyard and Hawaii and golf may have just made him apathetic. At this point, his legacy is Trump regardless of what happens next.

    • Agree: Daniel Williams
  10. Would it be illegal for Bloomberg to offer Booty gig, Clobberchar, and Wokahontas X million to drop out and endorse him? Or to pay them X million for signing a speaking gig contract? Or offer Obama Y million to speak at some unspecified date?

    • Replies: @James Braxton
    Nope.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    Maybe Trump would resign for a cash payment of $60 billion.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    IIRC, an $800,000 "donation" to the DNC bought Bloomberg an alteration of the debate rules and a place on the dais at any future debates he chooses. Nothing is off the table for the DNC.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    Certainly for the amount of money Bloomberg is prepared to pay for media advertising, he might just as well pay voters directly for their votes or pay commissions to intermediaries for delivering or bundling votes.

    Groups who were interested in particular local pet projects could sell votes per thousand in exchange for favorable consideration, which is the same way the donor system works anyway, except in reverse. Instead of donating cash for favors, people would donate votes for cash. Democracy would be the beneficiary, as you could expect a higher than normal degree of electoral participation and the economy would benefit.

    At least it would be honest.

  11. “Bloomberg has just let loose his with his Obama “endorsement” adds. These latest TV spots starting running after the Iowa Caucus made clear that poor ‘ol Joe is toast, clearing the way for Obama to make his endorsement official.”

    I can’t image Bloomberg let loose with these ads, running on all major broadcast channels in NorCal @ a couple showings per hour, sans Obama explicit approval. Official endorsement will come out Wednesday after Super Tuesday, the day Biden drops out.

    In any event, in his own words just today, Biden asked the crowd to cast their vote for him as Senator. Alzheimer’s is the bitch.

  12. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t believe this nonsense about Bernie crushing the primaries and the Democrats taking it away on the second ballot.

    Reeks of the kind of dumb stuff beltway-bubble types were writing about Trump until the convention.

    There’s just no way they will be able to explain taking it away from someone with a gigantic, commanding lead. They can’t and won’t do it. It’s just the Establishment staying stuck in the denial stage of grief, again.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    There’s just no way they will be able to explain taking it away from someone with a gigantic, commanding lead.
     
    Suppose Bernie has 38% of the delegates and the other 62% are split: Biden (20%); Bloomberg (15%); Buttigieg (15%); All others (12%).

    Is that a "gigantic, commanding lead?" The other candidates can just as easily say: "Bernie didn't get a majority and, in fact, a majority support a non-Bernie, non-socialist, moderate." It's like a parliamentary coalition-building process.

    And, in the end, there are no "Democrats" in the abstract who will be making the choice. It will be the delegates themselves and the candidates who more or less control them (together with the super-delegates). Frankly, anything could happen.

    Indeed, one scenario would be Bernie cutting a deal with one of the "moderates" (the opportunistic Buttigieg seems a likely target), to trade the VP spot for their delegates' support.

    We haven't had a brokered convention in our lifetimes. So we have forgotten how cynical the horsetrading can be.
    , @J.Ross
    They did it last time.
  13. As far as I can tell, Obama endorses Bloomberg – at least, that is the clear, repetitive message of practically every Bloomberg ad I’ve seen for the last two weeks.

    All from material that dates back at least five years, of course. But I haven’t heard any pointed denials, either. Maybe a past or present payoff?

    I would assume that Obama is canny enough to “let the people decide” i.e. wait until someone has been nominated.

  14. Maybe DownLow Soetero doesn’t want to jinx his preferred candidate by openly endorsing xir.

    Barack the Blameless has famously underwhelming coattails, to the point where his endorsement is almost the kiss-of-death. There were a slew of candidates for Congress, etc. he endorsed during his eight years that were defeated.

    The Half-Blood Prince even went so far as to publicly equate Her candidacy with His Legacy. And then came the God Emperor with a flamethrower.

  15. @Hypnotoad666
    With or without Obama's endorsement, no candidate except Bernie has a chance at getting over 50% of delegates.

    There is no upside to backing one of the electoral dwarfs now. So Obama will wait until the brokered convention and then play king-maker to anoint a non-Bernie candidate if Bernie has to go to a second ballot.

    This. King Obama humiliated again. He did try to scuttle Sanders last time and was so effective Wasserman-Schulz still had to rig elections.

  16. @Hypnotoad666
    With or without Obama's endorsement, no candidate except Bernie has a chance at getting over 50% of delegates.

    There is no upside to backing one of the electoral dwarfs now. So Obama will wait until the brokered convention and then play king-maker to anoint a non-Bernie candidate if Bernie has to go to a second ballot.

    That’s just about the dream scenario for our side heading into November.

  17. Pete Buttigieg encourages 9-year-old who wants to ‘come out’ as gay (LifeSiteNews.com) (Bold emphasis in title mine- Dissident)

    Zachary Ro had submitted a question to the candidate: “Thank you for being so brave. Would you help me tell the world that I’m gay too?”

    As Zachary mounted the stage, the crowd loudly chanted, “Love is love,”[…]
    […]
    Once the boy made it to the platform, Buttigieg did all the talking.
    […]
    Buttigieg’s “husband,” Chasten, dashed up to the stage to hand the boy something before whisking him off.

    A Huffington Post headline declared “Pete Buttigieg helps 9-year-old to come out to the world in emotional exchange,” and Washington D.C.’s The Hill called it “A powerful moment.”

    Other observers were troubled by Buttigieg’s exploitation of the boy. Many asserted the boy is too young to make such a declaration, and that Buttigieg and his campaign staff should’ve known better than to hold such a discussion in public.

    […]

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    As Zachary mounted the stage, the crowd loudly chanted, “Love is love,”[…]
     
    Love is love. Even if it involves a nine year-old. That's the inevitable end point of the Dems long march to the fringe.
    , @BenKenobi
    The wreckers shall be known by their displeasure with such things.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    Who needs to reproduce when you can just recruit?
    , @ChrisZ

    Buttigieg’s “husband,” Chasten, dashed up to the stage to hand the boy something before whisking him off.
     
    What are the odds it was a condom?

    Or his cell phone number?
  18. Which Dem Will Obama Endorse?

    It really doesn’t matter. Obama is a self-absorbed racial narcissist, not a “Democrat.” The party used him, and he used them. He has no loyalties other than himself and the black race.

    If there were a Negro or mulatto running on the Democrat side, Obama would automatically endorse him, but there isn’t.

    I’m sure that Obama is on board with most of Sanders’s agenda, but he’s not very fond of Jews. I’d say that Obama would identify most closely with Buttigieg, but he knows that Anal Pete ain’t gonna get the nomination and ain’t gonna get elected president.

    Obama will probably wait until after the convention chooses a nominee, and then give that person a tepid endorsement.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    If it comes down to Barry forced to choose between Buttigieg and Biden, he will proclaim
    "Vote for the Anal, Not for the Banal."
    , @Corn
    “If there were a Negro or mulatto running on the Democrat side, Obama would automatically endorse him, but there isn’t.”

    Then why didn’t he endorse Cory Booker or Deval Patrick early on?
    , @Dissident

    I’m sure that Obama is on board with most of Sanders’s agenda, but he’s not very fond of Jews.
     
    On what do you base the latter assertion?

    The former President may be a lot of things but I've never sensed that he had any problem with Jews. I might add that I've also never been convinced that the man personally harbored any true animosity toward Whites. The anti-White sentiment that Obama has expressed and advanced comes across as cynically self-serving. (The "It's strictly business" line from The Godfather comes to mind here.)

    What about Al Sharpton, Louis Farrahkan, Jeremiah Wright, you ask? No question, Barack Obama has had extensive and by all appearances at least, quite friendly relationships with all three of those odious figures. (And any number of others of similarly dubious character as well.) But I've always viewed such relationships of the former President's as little more than business ones; ones that were simply expedient for his personal political and social goals.

    In the same vein, my reaction to the whole question of whether Obama was at heart really a Muslim or a Christian as he claimed to be, was that I would be rather surprised if he were actually either. Much like his successor, Obama seems to be someone with few core convictions.

  19. @Dissident
    Pete Buttigieg encourages 9-year-old who wants to ‘come out’ as gay (LifeSiteNews.com) (Bold emphasis in title mine- Dissident)

    Zachary Ro had submitted a question to the candidate: “Thank you for being so brave. Would you help me tell the world that I’m gay too?”

    As Zachary mounted the stage, the crowd loudly chanted, “Love is love,”[...]
    [...]
    Once the boy made it to the platform, Buttigieg did all the talking.
    [...]
    Buttigieg’s “husband,” Chasten, dashed up to the stage to hand the boy something before whisking him off.

    A Huffington Post headline declared “Pete Buttigieg helps 9-year-old to come out to the world in emotional exchange,” and Washington D.C.’s The Hill called it “A powerful moment.”

    Other observers were troubled by Buttigieg’s exploitation of the boy. Many asserted the boy is too young to make such a declaration, and that Buttigieg and his campaign staff should’ve known better than to hold such a discussion in public.

    [...]
     

    As Zachary mounted the stage, the crowd loudly chanted, “Love is love,”[…]

    Love is love. Even if it involves a nine year-old. That’s the inevitable end point of the Dems long march to the fringe.

    • Replies: @BoopBoopBOOP
    Love is Love is also a city pop song by Allesandra Mussolini, granddaughter of Il Duce. It’s decent, no Mariya Takeuchi but still pretty good.
    , @Dr. X

    Love is love. Even if it involves a nine year-old.
     
    ESPECIALLY if it involves a nine-year-old...
  20. @Dissident
    Pete Buttigieg encourages 9-year-old who wants to ‘come out’ as gay (LifeSiteNews.com) (Bold emphasis in title mine- Dissident)

    Zachary Ro had submitted a question to the candidate: “Thank you for being so brave. Would you help me tell the world that I’m gay too?”

    As Zachary mounted the stage, the crowd loudly chanted, “Love is love,”[...]
    [...]
    Once the boy made it to the platform, Buttigieg did all the talking.
    [...]
    Buttigieg’s “husband,” Chasten, dashed up to the stage to hand the boy something before whisking him off.

    A Huffington Post headline declared “Pete Buttigieg helps 9-year-old to come out to the world in emotional exchange,” and Washington D.C.’s The Hill called it “A powerful moment.”

    Other observers were troubled by Buttigieg’s exploitation of the boy. Many asserted the boy is too young to make such a declaration, and that Buttigieg and his campaign staff should’ve known better than to hold such a discussion in public.

    [...]
     

    The wreckers shall be known by their displeasure with such things.

  21. @anonymous
    I don't believe this nonsense about Bernie crushing the primaries and the Democrats taking it away on the second ballot.

    Reeks of the kind of dumb stuff beltway-bubble types were writing about Trump until the convention.


    There's just no way they will be able to explain taking it away from someone with a gigantic, commanding lead. They can't and won't do it. It's just the Establishment staying stuck in the denial stage of grief, again.

    There’s just no way they will be able to explain taking it away from someone with a gigantic, commanding lead.

    Suppose Bernie has 38% of the delegates and the other 62% are split: Biden (20%); Bloomberg (15%); Buttigieg (15%); All others (12%).

    Is that a “gigantic, commanding lead?” The other candidates can just as easily say: “Bernie didn’t get a majority and, in fact, a majority support a non-Bernie, non-socialist, moderate.” It’s like a parliamentary coalition-building process.

    And, in the end, there are no “Democrats” in the abstract who will be making the choice. It will be the delegates themselves and the candidates who more or less control them (together with the super-delegates). Frankly, anything could happen.

    Indeed, one scenario would be Bernie cutting a deal with one of the “moderates” (the opportunistic Buttigieg seems a likely target), to trade the VP spot for their delegates’ support.

    We haven’t had a brokered convention in our lifetimes. So we have forgotten how cynical the horsetrading can be.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, that is a gigantic, commanding lead.

    They can't do anything about it. This isn't 1912. You can't just send out a telegram announcing what the elites have decided. We just went through this in 2016.

    If Bernie gets 40 and a half-dozen also-rans combine for 60 it would be farcical to pretend Bernie didn't win. The elites wish they had that power and they'd certainly do it if they could get away with it, but they cant get away with it.

    , @Jack D

    We haven’t had a brokered convention in our lifetimes.
     
    Which is why we probably won't have one this time either. In modern times a single candidate usually emerges before the convention.

    BUT, aside from your scenario, the other one is that the Dems abandon Bernie, 40% of the vote on the 1st round notwithstanding and pick someone else. The Congressional Democrats, esp. the ones that picked up Republican seats in suburban swing districts in 2018, are going wild at the thought that Bernie is going to go down in flames and take them with him and he's not even a Democrat.

    , @Morris Applebaum IV
    I think it would be fairly easy to displace Bernie so long as #2 and #3 have as many delegates and run on a joint ticket. Under your scenario, it would be more difficult, but the party would be insane to run Bernie so he'll probably be stopped at all costs.
  22. @Hypnotoad666

    As Zachary mounted the stage, the crowd loudly chanted, “Love is love,”[…]
     
    Love is love. Even if it involves a nine year-old. That's the inevitable end point of the Dems long march to the fringe.

    Love is Love is also a city pop song by Allesandra Mussolini, granddaughter of Il Duce. It’s decent, no Mariya Takeuchi but still pretty good.

  23. @Dissident
    Pete Buttigieg encourages 9-year-old who wants to ‘come out’ as gay (LifeSiteNews.com) (Bold emphasis in title mine- Dissident)

    Zachary Ro had submitted a question to the candidate: “Thank you for being so brave. Would you help me tell the world that I’m gay too?”

    As Zachary mounted the stage, the crowd loudly chanted, “Love is love,”[...]
    [...]
    Once the boy made it to the platform, Buttigieg did all the talking.
    [...]
    Buttigieg’s “husband,” Chasten, dashed up to the stage to hand the boy something before whisking him off.

    A Huffington Post headline declared “Pete Buttigieg helps 9-year-old to come out to the world in emotional exchange,” and Washington D.C.’s The Hill called it “A powerful moment.”

    Other observers were troubled by Buttigieg’s exploitation of the boy. Many asserted the boy is too young to make such a declaration, and that Buttigieg and his campaign staff should’ve known better than to hold such a discussion in public.

    [...]
     

    Who needs to reproduce when you can just recruit?

  24. @Hypnotoad666

    As Zachary mounted the stage, the crowd loudly chanted, “Love is love,”[…]
     
    Love is love. Even if it involves a nine year-old. That's the inevitable end point of the Dems long march to the fringe.

    Love is love. Even if it involves a nine year-old.

    ESPECIALLY if it involves a nine-year-old…

  25. @Rob
    Would it be illegal for Bloomberg to offer Booty gig, Clobberchar, and Wokahontas X million to drop out and endorse him? Or to pay them X million for signing a speaking gig contract? Or offer Obama Y million to speak at some unspecified date?

    Nope.

  26. @El Dato
    He will endorse Katherine Johnson, an American mathematician whose calculations of orbital mechanics as a NASA employee were critical to the success of the first and subsequent U.S. crewed spaceflights [dubious - discuss], who died yesterday.

    Dubious? I find your lack of faith disturbing. St. Katherine Johnson, PHUH, was, in the words of her page A1 NY Times obit, “one of the finest mathematical minds in the country”.

    “Wielding little more than a pencil, a slide rule and [the aforementioned finest mind], Mrs. Johnson… calculated the precise trajectories that would let Apollo 11 land on the moon in 1969 and, after Neil Armstrong’s history-making moonwalk, let it return to Earth.”

    So take that, Mr. Dubious. It was the proud black (ok, kinda beige-ish) Katherine Johnson and her slide rule that sent us to the moon, you filthy WN. The NY Times says so. Where’s your printing press?

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    "...Wielding little more than a pencil, a slide rule and [the aforementioned finest mind], Mrs. Johnson… calculated the precise trajectories..."

    Many of the photos I saw had a Frieden electro-mechanical calculator front and center on her desk. This is a sign (dog whistle???) to anyone familiar with the times that this woman was the NASA equivalent of the female high school grads who "computed" artillery trajectories during WW II.

    These women - and I'd bet Mrs. Johnson and her fellow NASA computers - were a few steps above data entry clerks. The engineers in charge would break algorithms down into a series of steps and assign each woman on the human, computer assembly line a step, written out as a series of instructions for doing calculations. Each woman would then receive a set of numbers, perform the calculations as described in the instructions she had been given, and pass the results on to the next woman on the assembly line.

    This is not mathematics and primarily requires average or better intelligence and the capacity to deal with endless tedium. My first assignment, as an actuarial trainee, was similar except that I determined which algorithm, out of hundreds in two telephone-directory-sized volumes, applied to each case I was given. I then performed all the required calculations, and finally passed the result to my supervisor. I lasted six months before the tedium drove me back to grad school where I eventually wrote a dissertation on some applications of interesting solutions of the Lotka-Volterra to contemporary demographic patterns in the US.

    When I was an undergraduate I worked in a high energy physics laboratory. Several young women, graduates of the local high school, worked there, using probes to track particle tracks on the enormously magnified bubble chamber photographs that were shipped in from Brookhaven every few weeks. The probes automatically typed path coordinates every micro-millimeter or so onto punch cards that were later analyzed by computer programs created at CERN and modified locally by me ( at a very elementary level) and other programmers who were both physicists and applied mathematicians. If the NYC were to describe these young women using the same standards they applied to Mrs. Johnson and her fellows, they would become "high energy physicists working on the cutting edge of contemporary research".

    That prog journalists deal with Negroes this way suggests an underlying, unconscious contempt for the race. That so many in the Negro community lap this bilge up suggests that some of that contempt may be deserved.
    , @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1232135642114674689
    , @Alden
    Her exact shade of pale beige is known as ecru.
  27. @Hypnotoad666

    There’s just no way they will be able to explain taking it away from someone with a gigantic, commanding lead.
     
    Suppose Bernie has 38% of the delegates and the other 62% are split: Biden (20%); Bloomberg (15%); Buttigieg (15%); All others (12%).

    Is that a "gigantic, commanding lead?" The other candidates can just as easily say: "Bernie didn't get a majority and, in fact, a majority support a non-Bernie, non-socialist, moderate." It's like a parliamentary coalition-building process.

    And, in the end, there are no "Democrats" in the abstract who will be making the choice. It will be the delegates themselves and the candidates who more or less control them (together with the super-delegates). Frankly, anything could happen.

    Indeed, one scenario would be Bernie cutting a deal with one of the "moderates" (the opportunistic Buttigieg seems a likely target), to trade the VP spot for their delegates' support.

    We haven't had a brokered convention in our lifetimes. So we have forgotten how cynical the horsetrading can be.

    Yes, that is a gigantic, commanding lead.

    They can’t do anything about it. This isn’t 1912. You can’t just send out a telegram announcing what the elites have decided. We just went through this in 2016.

    If Bernie gets 40 and a half-dozen also-rans combine for 60 it would be farcical to pretend Bernie didn’t win. The elites wish they had that power and they’d certainly do it if they could get away with it, but they cant get away with it.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    If Bernie gets 40 and a half-dozen also-rans combine for 60 it would be farcical to pretend Bernie didn’t win.
     
    The Democrats are nothing if not farcical. Don't rule it out.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    If Bernie gets 40 and a half-dozen also-rans combine for 60 it would be farcical to pretend Bernie didn’t win.
     
    40% of 33% is 13.2%.

    White House, here we come!!
  28. @Hypnotoad666

    There’s just no way they will be able to explain taking it away from someone with a gigantic, commanding lead.
     
    Suppose Bernie has 38% of the delegates and the other 62% are split: Biden (20%); Bloomberg (15%); Buttigieg (15%); All others (12%).

    Is that a "gigantic, commanding lead?" The other candidates can just as easily say: "Bernie didn't get a majority and, in fact, a majority support a non-Bernie, non-socialist, moderate." It's like a parliamentary coalition-building process.

    And, in the end, there are no "Democrats" in the abstract who will be making the choice. It will be the delegates themselves and the candidates who more or less control them (together with the super-delegates). Frankly, anything could happen.

    Indeed, one scenario would be Bernie cutting a deal with one of the "moderates" (the opportunistic Buttigieg seems a likely target), to trade the VP spot for their delegates' support.

    We haven't had a brokered convention in our lifetimes. So we have forgotten how cynical the horsetrading can be.

    We haven’t had a brokered convention in our lifetimes.

    Which is why we probably won’t have one this time either. In modern times a single candidate usually emerges before the convention.

    BUT, aside from your scenario, the other one is that the Dems abandon Bernie, 40% of the vote on the 1st round notwithstanding and pick someone else. The Congressional Democrats, esp. the ones that picked up Republican seats in suburban swing districts in 2018, are going wild at the thought that Bernie is going to go down in flames and take them with him and he’s not even a Democrat.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    We won't have it because it's abjectly retarded.

    There is NO CONSTITUENCY for stealing the nomination outside of Thomas friedman and Chris matthews and DNC commissars. None. Zero.

    They can't fucking do it because it makes no sense because nobody would support it. So Bernie's at 40% and Bloomberg's at 15%. Who, of the 85% who didn't vote for Bloomberg, is going to support Bloomberg stealing the nomination? The answer is LITERALLY NOBODY.

    So they can't do it. Bloomberg, Thomas Friedman, and Chris Matthews are just going to have to cry about it. There's no other option.

  29. He’ll endorse Michelle after she throws her wig into the ring at the brokered convention.

  30. Have you seen the latest? A full 64 employees filed 42 lawsuits over the past 20 years against Bloomberg personally for … sexual harassment and degradation of female employees.

    Meanwhile Bernies old articles demanding toddlers get naked and touch each other’s genitals and women all have multiple rape fantasies came out.

    Fun, fun times.

    • Replies: @Lagertha

    Bloomberg personally for … sexual harassment and degradation of female employees. Bernies old articles demanding toddlers get naked and touch each other’s genitals
     
    At what point do normal people say that this is not "who we are?" At what point are so-called Progressives called-out on their inappropriate adult sexual desires being paramount?

    As an immigrant, my parents were terrified about the sexual licentiousness of Americans - this idea was well known in Northern Europe - the American decadence in the 60's. The terrible divorce rate in NYC/Boston/CA/metropolitan areas was also a scourge for my parents. I met a lot of kids with divorced parents and weird parents in the late 60's in Aamerikka. This country is truly filled with people I always guarded my sons, when they were young, from. Most importantly, children are sacred and need to be protected from adults and their erotic desires and monetary manipulation.

  31. @Rob
    Would it be illegal for Bloomberg to offer Booty gig, Clobberchar, and Wokahontas X million to drop out and endorse him? Or to pay them X million for signing a speaking gig contract? Or offer Obama Y million to speak at some unspecified date?

    Maybe Trump would resign for a cash payment of $60 billion.

  32. @Anonymous
    Yes, that is a gigantic, commanding lead.

    They can't do anything about it. This isn't 1912. You can't just send out a telegram announcing what the elites have decided. We just went through this in 2016.

    If Bernie gets 40 and a half-dozen also-rans combine for 60 it would be farcical to pretend Bernie didn't win. The elites wish they had that power and they'd certainly do it if they could get away with it, but they cant get away with it.

    If Bernie gets 40 and a half-dozen also-rans combine for 60 it would be farcical to pretend Bernie didn’t win.

    The Democrats are nothing if not farcical. Don’t rule it out.

  33. @Anonymous
    Obama endorsing would actually be a pretty solid act of leadership, coming from him. Problem is everyone knows he wouldn't endorse Sanders, and he knows everyone knows this. So Obama won't deign to say anything, even though endorsing whoever loses in the next cull is hardly shameful (as long as he gets behind Sanders in the end), rather probably healthy for Democrats. I get the sense he is too much of a jerk to do symbolic things on behalf of the party though

    Obama endorsing would actually be a pretty solid act of leadership, coming from him. Problem is everyone knows he wouldn’t endorse Sanders, and he knows everyone knows this. So Obama won’t deign to say anything, even though endorsing whoever loses in the next cull is hardly shameful (as long as he gets behind Sanders in the end), rather probably healthy for Democrats. I get the sense he is too much of a jerk to do symbolic things on behalf of the party though

    Yeah this.

    This is an interesting post in the context of being shoulder-to-shoulder with the next one, about coronavirus. There’s a lot of things that have gone right for Trump over the last 2-3 months or so, and I like his chances a lot better now than then.

    But we don’t have the election in February, and the tide should shift the other way just as easily as in our favor. The coronavirus is one thing in particular. It had no political significance at all a week or two ago, but it could be a huge issue in the fall, or maybe even sooner than that.

    Or another thing, is if a candidate dies before Election Day, which hasn’t happened in my memory, or even very much in history that I know of, but you gotta figure there’s some chance of it if it’s Trump vs. Bernie (or Bloomberg, or Joe, etc). If it is Bernie, and he does die, of any cause really, you’d have to think there would be a huge sympathy vote for whichever candidate replaces him.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    The closest thing to a candidate dying before the election was RFK, who was assassinated just after winning the California primary. That led to the ugliest brokered convention ever. As in riots in the streets.

    William Henry Harrison died right after inauguration.


    I lived in NYC for a while, and there were a couple of elections that were stranger than fiction. As in you couldn’t make this stuff up.

    One year the incumbent candidate in my district for Congress died right before the election. He stayed on the ballot. The winning party got to pick a Congressman to replace the dead guy. They picked Jerry Nadler. No special election because the death was before he was sworn in. Seriously. That’s how Nadler got into Congress. The dead guy got in when Ed Koch left office to take over as mayor of NYC.

    Another time 2000 people died in Election Day so they cancelled the election. Actually a primary, on Tuesday the 11th of September, 2001. The resulting swing away from Democrats and towards the GOP put Bloomberg into office.
  34. @Dissident
    Pete Buttigieg encourages 9-year-old who wants to ‘come out’ as gay (LifeSiteNews.com) (Bold emphasis in title mine- Dissident)

    Zachary Ro had submitted a question to the candidate: “Thank you for being so brave. Would you help me tell the world that I’m gay too?”

    As Zachary mounted the stage, the crowd loudly chanted, “Love is love,”[...]
    [...]
    Once the boy made it to the platform, Buttigieg did all the talking.
    [...]
    Buttigieg’s “husband,” Chasten, dashed up to the stage to hand the boy something before whisking him off.

    A Huffington Post headline declared “Pete Buttigieg helps 9-year-old to come out to the world in emotional exchange,” and Washington D.C.’s The Hill called it “A powerful moment.”

    Other observers were troubled by Buttigieg’s exploitation of the boy. Many asserted the boy is too young to make such a declaration, and that Buttigieg and his campaign staff should’ve known better than to hold such a discussion in public.

    [...]
     

    Buttigieg’s “husband,” Chasten, dashed up to the stage to hand the boy something before whisking him off.

    What are the odds it was a condom?

    Or his cell phone number?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    What are the odds it was a condom?

    Or his cell phone number?
     
    More likely a hot new recipe. Or a tube of hemorrhoid cream.
  35. I bet he doesn’t endorse anybody, until there is a nominee. Definitely not until after more people have dropped out.

    OT Steve, look who it is. In my mind she was hotter. Maybe she just hasn’t aged well

  36. Since this is the debate thread, I gots a q. ‘bout Bloomie’s stop n frisk. I’m assuming it was unpopular with the shooty kind of blacks, but what about the middle-aged black women who actually vote in primaries?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    The middle aged cullut wimmens ain't got time for that. They tryin to get they hair did.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    For some reason Democrats aim 90-percent of their African American outreach at the gang-banger, drug-dealing, school-to-prison-pipeline element of the community. Blacks should feel insulted.
  37. @Jack D
    Dubious? I find your lack of faith disturbing. St. Katherine Johnson, PHUH, was, in the words of her page A1 NY Times obit, "one of the finest mathematical minds in the country".

    "Wielding little more than a pencil, a slide rule and [the aforementioned finest mind], Mrs. Johnson... calculated the precise trajectories that would let Apollo 11 land on the moon in 1969 and, after Neil Armstrong’s history-making moonwalk, let it return to Earth."

    So take that, Mr. Dubious. It was the proud black (ok, kinda beige-ish) Katherine Johnson and her slide rule that sent us to the moon, you filthy WN. The NY Times says so. Where's your printing press?

    “…Wielding little more than a pencil, a slide rule and [the aforementioned finest mind], Mrs. Johnson… calculated the precise trajectories…”

    Many of the photos I saw had a Frieden electro-mechanical calculator front and center on her desk. This is a sign (dog whistle???) to anyone familiar with the times that this woman was the NASA equivalent of the female high school grads who “computed” artillery trajectories during WW II.

    These women – and I’d bet Mrs. Johnson and her fellow NASA computers – were a few steps above data entry clerks. The engineers in charge would break algorithms down into a series of steps and assign each woman on the human, computer assembly line a step, written out as a series of instructions for doing calculations. Each woman would then receive a set of numbers, perform the calculations as described in the instructions she had been given, and pass the results on to the next woman on the assembly line.

    This is not mathematics and primarily requires average or better intelligence and the capacity to deal with endless tedium. My first assignment, as an actuarial trainee, was similar except that I determined which algorithm, out of hundreds in two telephone-directory-sized volumes, applied to each case I was given. I then performed all the required calculations, and finally passed the result to my supervisor. I lasted six months before the tedium drove me back to grad school where I eventually wrote a dissertation on some applications of interesting solutions of the Lotka-Volterra to contemporary demographic patterns in the US.

    When I was an undergraduate I worked in a high energy physics laboratory. Several young women, graduates of the local high school, worked there, using probes to track particle tracks on the enormously magnified bubble chamber photographs that were shipped in from Brookhaven every few weeks. The probes automatically typed path coordinates every micro-millimeter or so onto punch cards that were later analyzed by computer programs created at CERN and modified locally by me ( at a very elementary level) and other programmers who were both physicists and applied mathematicians. If the NYC were to describe these young women using the same standards they applied to Mrs. Johnson and her fellows, they would become “high energy physicists working on the cutting edge of contemporary research”.

    That prog journalists deal with Negroes this way suggests an underlying, unconscious contempt for the race. That so many in the Negro community lap this bilge up suggests that some of that contempt may be deserved.

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Mrs. Johnson was the best of the computer ladies and wound up doing some moderately sophisticated stuff.

    A life well led. RIP.

    , @J.Ross
    Hidden Figures is a feature length illustration of a 4chan cartoon in which a white person hands a black person an object, saying "I made this," the black person observes the object, and then the black person declares, "I made this." Any story about the space program should be about struggle, the middle state (becoming not become), and ordinary hard-working teammates rather than about easy success bestowed by gods or top men. Black audiences have a weak appreciation for this sort of thing: observe how in rap videos material success is a timeless present quality. We have always lived in the mansion. Insofar as Johnson was actually not a joke, this movie still does her a grave disservice by misrepresenting her achievements and NASA culture.
  38. @Rob
    Would it be illegal for Bloomberg to offer Booty gig, Clobberchar, and Wokahontas X million to drop out and endorse him? Or to pay them X million for signing a speaking gig contract? Or offer Obama Y million to speak at some unspecified date?

    IIRC, an $800,000 “donation” to the DNC bought Bloomberg an alteration of the debate rules and a place on the dais at any future debates he chooses. Nothing is off the table for the DNC.

  39. @El Dato
    He will endorse Katherine Johnson, an American mathematician whose calculations of orbital mechanics as a NASA employee were critical to the success of the first and subsequent U.S. crewed spaceflights [dubious - discuss], who died yesterday.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Katherine Johnson looks pretty white to me.

    My first job interview was for data entry for a hedge fund trading CDOs, I didn't get it and they presumably went belly up a two or three years later. Had I got the job I would have also exaggerated my role.
  40. @anonymous
    I don't believe this nonsense about Bernie crushing the primaries and the Democrats taking it away on the second ballot.

    Reeks of the kind of dumb stuff beltway-bubble types were writing about Trump until the convention.


    There's just no way they will be able to explain taking it away from someone with a gigantic, commanding lead. They can't and won't do it. It's just the Establishment staying stuck in the denial stage of grief, again.

    They did it last time.

    • Agree: Polynikes
  41. @Anonymous
    Yes, that is a gigantic, commanding lead.

    They can't do anything about it. This isn't 1912. You can't just send out a telegram announcing what the elites have decided. We just went through this in 2016.

    If Bernie gets 40 and a half-dozen also-rans combine for 60 it would be farcical to pretend Bernie didn't win. The elites wish they had that power and they'd certainly do it if they could get away with it, but they cant get away with it.

    If Bernie gets 40 and a half-dozen also-rans combine for 60 it would be farcical to pretend Bernie didn’t win.

    40% of 33% is 13.2%.

    White House, here we come!!

  42. @ChrisZ

    Buttigieg’s “husband,” Chasten, dashed up to the stage to hand the boy something before whisking him off.
     
    What are the odds it was a condom?

    Or his cell phone number?

    What are the odds it was a condom?

    Or his cell phone number?

    More likely a hot new recipe. Or a tube of hemorrhoid cream.

  43. @Jack D
    Dubious? I find your lack of faith disturbing. St. Katherine Johnson, PHUH, was, in the words of her page A1 NY Times obit, "one of the finest mathematical minds in the country".

    "Wielding little more than a pencil, a slide rule and [the aforementioned finest mind], Mrs. Johnson... calculated the precise trajectories that would let Apollo 11 land on the moon in 1969 and, after Neil Armstrong’s history-making moonwalk, let it return to Earth."

    So take that, Mr. Dubious. It was the proud black (ok, kinda beige-ish) Katherine Johnson and her slide rule that sent us to the moon, you filthy WN. The NY Times says so. Where's your printing press?

  44. Anyone watching the D’s show so the rest of us don’t have to?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    >Anyone watching the D’s show so the rest of us don’t have to?

    Not me. I'm done with it all: I've got better things to do with my life.
    , @Yahya
    I watched the second half of it.

    It was the same old pandering and platitudes. Absolutely nothing new was said.

    The one interesting thing is that Sanders actually sorta lost this one.

    As the front-runner, he was attacked by all of the candidates, and they got cheers from the crowds.

    He also inadequately failed to denounce the socialist regimes he praised previously in his career.
  45. @Jus' Sayin'...
    "...Wielding little more than a pencil, a slide rule and [the aforementioned finest mind], Mrs. Johnson… calculated the precise trajectories..."

    Many of the photos I saw had a Frieden electro-mechanical calculator front and center on her desk. This is a sign (dog whistle???) to anyone familiar with the times that this woman was the NASA equivalent of the female high school grads who "computed" artillery trajectories during WW II.

    These women - and I'd bet Mrs. Johnson and her fellow NASA computers - were a few steps above data entry clerks. The engineers in charge would break algorithms down into a series of steps and assign each woman on the human, computer assembly line a step, written out as a series of instructions for doing calculations. Each woman would then receive a set of numbers, perform the calculations as described in the instructions she had been given, and pass the results on to the next woman on the assembly line.

    This is not mathematics and primarily requires average or better intelligence and the capacity to deal with endless tedium. My first assignment, as an actuarial trainee, was similar except that I determined which algorithm, out of hundreds in two telephone-directory-sized volumes, applied to each case I was given. I then performed all the required calculations, and finally passed the result to my supervisor. I lasted six months before the tedium drove me back to grad school where I eventually wrote a dissertation on some applications of interesting solutions of the Lotka-Volterra to contemporary demographic patterns in the US.

    When I was an undergraduate I worked in a high energy physics laboratory. Several young women, graduates of the local high school, worked there, using probes to track particle tracks on the enormously magnified bubble chamber photographs that were shipped in from Brookhaven every few weeks. The probes automatically typed path coordinates every micro-millimeter or so onto punch cards that were later analyzed by computer programs created at CERN and modified locally by me ( at a very elementary level) and other programmers who were both physicists and applied mathematicians. If the NYC were to describe these young women using the same standards they applied to Mrs. Johnson and her fellows, they would become "high energy physicists working on the cutting edge of contemporary research".

    That prog journalists deal with Negroes this way suggests an underlying, unconscious contempt for the race. That so many in the Negro community lap this bilge up suggests that some of that contempt may be deserved.

    Mrs. Johnson was the best of the computer ladies and wound up doing some moderately sophisticated stuff.

    A life well led. RIP.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Agreed. The fact that the New York Times is engaging in ridiculous hyperbole ("finest mathematical minds": I strongly doubt that Ms. Johnson, for her part, would have placed herself in the same category as Steven Weinberg or Yoichiro Nambu or Donald Knuth) shouldn't obscure the fact that she lived a good life. She pressed her talents far beyond what society would have naturally let her and ended up doing non-trivial work for the benefit of the United States, which she wouldn't have had the Jim Crow types had their way.

    That's more than what you can say for most people, then or now.

    RIP.

    , @Joe Stalin
    Indeed.

    Let's put in a word for the people that have been deliberately deleted from popular American remembrance of Apollo space flight:

    https://inteng-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/images/MARCH/sizes/von-braun-rocket_science11_resize_md.jpg

    Dr. Wernher von Braun

    https://museum-peenemuende.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/GP_06_Arthur-Rudolph-859x1200.jpeg

    Arthur Rudolph
    , @Jack D
    What you said is a fair statement and if this is what her obituary in effect said (not that people who do "moderately sophisticated stuff" usually get NYTimes obits let alone ones that run on Page A1) it would have been fair enough. But calling her "one of the finest mathematical minds in the country" and making it seem as if she was the person most responsible for the moon landings is (pardon my French) bullshit.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Fair enough and I apologize if I underestimated Mrs. Johnson's contributions. The problem with the past hyperbole regarding these women, e.g., the book and movie, "Hidden Figures" is that it engenders in me the very natural response that every word the NYT publishes regarding every one of them is SJW, virtue-signalling, meretricious malarkey.
  46. @Jack D
    Dubious? I find your lack of faith disturbing. St. Katherine Johnson, PHUH, was, in the words of her page A1 NY Times obit, "one of the finest mathematical minds in the country".

    "Wielding little more than a pencil, a slide rule and [the aforementioned finest mind], Mrs. Johnson... calculated the precise trajectories that would let Apollo 11 land on the moon in 1969 and, after Neil Armstrong’s history-making moonwalk, let it return to Earth."

    So take that, Mr. Dubious. It was the proud black (ok, kinda beige-ish) Katherine Johnson and her slide rule that sent us to the moon, you filthy WN. The NY Times says so. Where's your printing press?

    Her exact shade of pale beige is known as ecru.

  47. @Steve Sailer
    Mrs. Johnson was the best of the computer ladies and wound up doing some moderately sophisticated stuff.

    A life well led. RIP.

    Agreed. The fact that the New York Times is engaging in ridiculous hyperbole (“finest mathematical minds”: I strongly doubt that Ms. Johnson, for her part, would have placed herself in the same category as Steven Weinberg or Yoichiro Nambu or Donald Knuth) shouldn’t obscure the fact that she lived a good life. She pressed her talents far beyond what society would have naturally let her and ended up doing non-trivial work for the benefit of the United States, which she wouldn’t have had the Jim Crow types had their way.

    That’s more than what you can say for most people, then or now.

    RIP.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @MEH 0910

    The fact that the New York Times is engaging in ridiculous hyperbole (“finest mathematical minds”: I strongly doubt that Ms. Johnson, for her part, would have placed herself in the same category as Steven Weinberg or Yoichiro Nambu or Donald Knuth)
     
    You would be right:

    NASA:

    NASA Langley’s Katherine Johnson Computational Research Facility Officially Opens
    Sept. 22, 2017

    When she heard that NASA’s Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, would name its newest building after her, Katherine Johnson responded the only way she could – with surprise.

    “You want my honest answer? I think they’re crazy,” the 99-year-old Johnson, of “Hidden Figures” fame, said with a laugh.
     
  48. @anon
    Anyone watching the D's show so the rest of us don't have to?

    >Anyone watching the D’s show so the rest of us don’t have to?

    Not me. I’m done with it all: I’ve got better things to do with my life.

  49. I don’t see Obama endorsing any white candidate. This transition of power in the Democratic party has been inevitable since 1965, when we changed our immigration laws and squandered our patrimony. Brown people want the white people’s land and stuff and they can get it only through socialism. The Democrat party is the brown party now, even though the white leadership hasn’t figured that out yet (they think it’s the diversity party). The first interesting election will be in 2024 when the Democrats finally nominate a black, Asian, or Hispanic candidate promising what the Squad is demanding: an end to all white power over the courts, the military, the schools, and the economy.

  50. Has Obama completely lost interest in politics?

  51. @anon
    Anyone watching the D's show so the rest of us don't have to?

    I watched the second half of it.

    It was the same old pandering and platitudes. Absolutely nothing new was said.

    The one interesting thing is that Sanders actually sorta lost this one.

    As the front-runner, he was attacked by all of the candidates, and they got cheers from the crowds.

    He also inadequately failed to denounce the socialist regimes he praised previously in his career.

  52. @Rob
    Would it be illegal for Bloomberg to offer Booty gig, Clobberchar, and Wokahontas X million to drop out and endorse him? Or to pay them X million for signing a speaking gig contract? Or offer Obama Y million to speak at some unspecified date?

    Certainly for the amount of money Bloomberg is prepared to pay for media advertising, he might just as well pay voters directly for their votes or pay commissions to intermediaries for delivering or bundling votes.

    Groups who were interested in particular local pet projects could sell votes per thousand in exchange for favorable consideration, which is the same way the donor system works anyway, except in reverse. Instead of donating cash for favors, people would donate votes for cash. Democracy would be the beneficiary, as you could expect a higher than normal degree of electoral participation and the economy would benefit.

    At least it would be honest.

    • Replies: @James Braxton
    That would be illegal.
    , @nebulafox
    >Certainly for the amount of money Bloomberg is prepared to pay for media advertising, he might just as well pay voters directly for their votes or pay commissions to intermediaries for delivering or bundling votes.

    I have a feeling that the nonstop pushing of Bloomberg from the MSM is eventually going to elicit some backlash. It's just so blatantly obvious now.

    If there's a brokered convention and Bloomberg gets the nomination, we will have a repeat of Chicago '68, regardless of what Sanders wants. That's ultimately going to benefit Trump. In 1968, Nixon was up by 15 points over Humphrey in early September. It speaks to the strength of the New Deal coalition and LBJ's political skills that they managed to almost come back.

    >Groups who were interested in particular local pet projects could sell votes per thousand in exchange for favorable consideration, which is the same way the donor system works anyway, except in reverse. Instead of donating cash for favors, people would donate votes for cash. Democracy would be the beneficiary, as you could expect a higher than normal degree of electoral participation and the economy would benefit.

    My first agenda as POTUS would be packing the court to ensure an override of Citizens United. Donor politics must die, ASAP.

    , @TheJester
    My grandson (9-years old) is getting "Bloomberg for President" ads on his iPad while he watches kiddie programs in the evening ... three within the last two days within a span of two hours. Now, THAT's targeted advertising that will have an impact on voters!

    Questions: What percent of Bloomberg's ads are wasted on toddlers and other non-voting populations ... and what do they cost? Regardless, it's clear Bloomberg is using a shotgun to "paint the world with money" in the desperate, last-minute hope that he'll find traction somewhere.

    BTW: "Charles, who are you voting for? Did the Bloomberg ads make a difference?"
  53. @Jonathan Mason
    Certainly for the amount of money Bloomberg is prepared to pay for media advertising, he might just as well pay voters directly for their votes or pay commissions to intermediaries for delivering or bundling votes.

    Groups who were interested in particular local pet projects could sell votes per thousand in exchange for favorable consideration, which is the same way the donor system works anyway, except in reverse. Instead of donating cash for favors, people would donate votes for cash. Democracy would be the beneficiary, as you could expect a higher than normal degree of electoral participation and the economy would benefit.

    At least it would be honest.

    That would be illegal.

  54. “Hair discrimination is racial discrimination. I salute the Virginia legislature for passing this law to prohibit discrimination based on hair style. It’s time for Washington to show such courage and finally pass the CROWN Act. “—Mayo Pete

    I did not make that up.

  55. @Steve Sailer
    Mrs. Johnson was the best of the computer ladies and wound up doing some moderately sophisticated stuff.

    A life well led. RIP.

    Indeed.

    Let’s put in a word for the people that have been deliberately deleted from popular American remembrance of Apollo space flight:

    Dr. Wernher von Braun

    Arthur Rudolph

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Rudolph especially was a war criminal who was deeply involved in overseeing the starving concentration camp prisoners who built the V-2. The V-2 was perhaps the only weapons system in history where more people died in building it than were killed by it. Somewhere between 12–20,000 prisoners died while building the V-2 rockets at Mittelwerk. von Braun had some level of plausible deniability (oh, I never noticed all those starving people in striped uniforms wandering around my rocket factory) but Rudolph didn't even have that much.

    I am not in favor of cancel culture. Von Braun's contributions to rocketry are undeniable (and 1,000 times more important than Johnson's). But our portraits of heroes have to be rendered in all shades of grey and not just in black and white. Johnson's obituary in the NY Times was right out of Pravda - Heroic Worker Stakhanov/Johnson single handedly brought us to the moon by her brilliant feats at the adding machine/shoveling more coal than is humanly possible! This is a lie and to mention von Braun and Rudolph's role in the American space program without mentioning their deep involvement in the criminal Nazi regime is also a lie. The cure for lies is not more lies.

  56. @Rob
    Since this is the debate thread, I gots a q. ‘bout Bloomie’s stop n frisk. I’m assuming it was unpopular with the shooty kind of blacks, but what about the middle-aged black women who actually vote in primaries?

    The middle aged cullut wimmens ain’t got time for that. They tryin to get they hair did.

  57. @Boethiuss

    Obama endorsing would actually be a pretty solid act of leadership, coming from him. Problem is everyone knows he wouldn’t endorse Sanders, and he knows everyone knows this. So Obama won’t deign to say anything, even though endorsing whoever loses in the next cull is hardly shameful (as long as he gets behind Sanders in the end), rather probably healthy for Democrats. I get the sense he is too much of a jerk to do symbolic things on behalf of the party though
     
    Yeah this.

    This is an interesting post in the context of being shoulder-to-shoulder with the next one, about coronavirus. There's a lot of things that have gone right for Trump over the last 2-3 months or so, and I like his chances a lot better now than then.

    But we don't have the election in February, and the tide should shift the other way just as easily as in our favor. The coronavirus is one thing in particular. It had no political significance at all a week or two ago, but it could be a huge issue in the fall, or maybe even sooner than that.

    Or another thing, is if a candidate dies before Election Day, which hasn't happened in my memory, or even very much in history that I know of, but you gotta figure there's some chance of it if it's Trump vs. Bernie (or Bloomberg, or Joe, etc). If it is Bernie, and he does die, of any cause really, you'd have to think there would be a huge sympathy vote for whichever candidate replaces him.

    The closest thing to a candidate dying before the election was RFK, who was assassinated just after winning the California primary. That led to the ugliest brokered convention ever. As in riots in the streets.

    William Henry Harrison died right after inauguration.

    I lived in NYC for a while, and there were a couple of elections that were stranger than fiction. As in you couldn’t make this stuff up.

    One year the incumbent candidate in my district for Congress died right before the election. He stayed on the ballot. The winning party got to pick a Congressman to replace the dead guy. They picked Jerry Nadler. No special election because the death was before he was sworn in. Seriously. That’s how Nadler got into Congress. The dead guy got in when Ed Koch left office to take over as mayor of NYC.

    Another time 2000 people died in Election Day so they cancelled the election. Actually a primary, on Tuesday the 11th of September, 2001. The resulting swing away from Democrats and towards the GOP put Bloomberg into office.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    >The closest thing to a candidate dying before the election was RFK, who was assassinated just after winning the California primary. That led to the ugliest brokered convention ever. As in riots in the streets.

    I don't think RFK surviving would have changed anything in 1968. The rioters and the people who indulged them supported McCarthy, not Kennedy, whose support came from different quarters: black Americans, and ironically enough, working-class Northern whites whom George Wallace appealed to. This dualistic appeal isn't as weird as it sounds: Jimmy Carter did the same thing as governor of Georgia.

    An oft-missed episode displaying the essential split between who the two appealed to was that RFK lost the Oregon primary to McCarthy partly because one of J. Edgar Hoover's merry men (no doubt with LBJ's encouragement) leaked how he wiretapped MLK when he was AG. Between things like that and his anti-Communist past, I think that McCarthyite kid summed it up best when he told RFK that they forgave him but they didn't trust him.

    Where things get interesting is 1976. I think that's the year he would have become President had he survived, which leads to some interesting butterflies. Seeing an RFK vs. Reagan race would have been very fun.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    One year the incumbent candidate in my district for Congress died right before the election. He stayed on the ballot.
     
    Paul Wellstone died a week before the election in 2002. Walter Mondale was quickly recruited to take his place. There was no time to campaign, but the candidates knew each other well, as Norm Coleman was a protege of sorts of Mondale when in the DFL.

    I tore a Mondale sign off a telephone pole right after the election, because of its rarity. A union rushed it out, probably a quick update of a much older one.

    In 1980 in Maryland, Republican Rep. Robert Bauman was caught up in a gay bar scandal, and Democratic Rep. Gladys Spellman went into a coma from which she never recovered. He lost, she won.

    Wags said that it showed that Maryland voters preferred a vegetable to a fruit. Best election re-cap ever!

    Who replaced Gladys Spellman? Why, one Steny Hoyer, who's still there.

    Maryland's gerrymandered districts remind me of something, but I'm not sure what. The Hebrew alphabet?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_delegations_from_Maryland

    None of Maryland's made the Ugly Gerry font, perhaps because they all seem to point west. Perfect for one of the backward Semitic scripts.

    https://uglygerry.com/

    https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2019/08/featgerry.jpg
  58. @Dr. X

    Which Dem Will Obama Endorse?
     
    It really doesn't matter. Obama is a self-absorbed racial narcissist, not a "Democrat." The party used him, and he used them. He has no loyalties other than himself and the black race.

    If there were a Negro or mulatto running on the Democrat side, Obama would automatically endorse him, but there isn't.

    I'm sure that Obama is on board with most of Sanders's agenda, but he's not very fond of Jews. I'd say that Obama would identify most closely with Buttigieg, but he knows that Anal Pete ain't gonna get the nomination and ain't gonna get elected president.

    Obama will probably wait until after the convention chooses a nominee, and then give that person a tepid endorsement.

    If it comes down to Barry forced to choose between Buttigieg and Biden, he will proclaim
    “Vote for the Anal, Not for the Banal.”

    • Replies: @Dissident

    “Vote for the Anal, Not for the Banal.”
     
    That's good. I assume it was inspired by the infamous Vote for Cuomo, Not the Homo! slogan that emerged, unattributed, during New York's gubernatorial race between the late Mario Cuomo (current-governor Andrew's father, who was dubbed The Sfaccim by the late radio legend Bob Grant) and the late Mayor Ed Koch.

    As for Obama, even if there is anything to the Bathouse Barry rumors, if the former President (whose public image would appear to very much include his role as a husband and father) has managed to stay on the down-low for this long, I doubt he's about to do anything to risk losing respectability among the brothas anytime soon.

    My own perennial campaign against the depravity and public health scourge of buggery (that unnatural act that misuses what is clearly-- anatomically as well as physiologically-- an exit-only bodily structure as if it were a sexual organ) includes a slogan that I paraphrased from Jesse Jackson's exhortation against electing George W. Bush as President:
    Stay out of the Bushes feces!

    In the same vein, Give a hoot, don't booty-loot!, and Be a lover, don't bugger!, are two slogans that I coined.

    Some may wonder: If one categorically condemns the act of buggery, as I clearly do, where does that leave those males who find themselves afflicted with finding erotic appeal exclusively in other males? I have addressed this question in some detail in a number of past comments that I have posted. (See links below.) Here, I will summarize what I maintain is the essential proper, ethical, humane and compassionate response to such individuals.

    The following three options, in order of preference, should be strongly encouraged: (1) attempt to re-orient toward normative heterosexuality; (2) celibacy; (3) Restrict sexual activity to non-penetrative, non-brutal forms (such as FROT and intercrural) that are far safer than buggery.

    Concerning the first option, we must be honest in acknowledging that such a process is likely to be a long and difficult one, with no guarantee of success. No less necessary is that we be honest about what is no less a truth, however unpopular it may be to acknowledge, and however difficult it may be to hear and accept: No homosexual relationship can provide the fulfillment that a wholesome heterosexual one can. This would include being completely honest about the hideous realities of the typical homosexual lifestyle, including those of the dangerous acts of buggery (ano-rectal penetration) and anilingus.

    In cases where an individual is either unable or unwilling to remain within the constraints that any wholesome heterosexuality demands, then celibacy should be encouraged as the least bad alternative. For those unwilling or unable to abide by the admittedly formidable constraints of celibacy, non-penetrative forms of homosexual intercourse should be presented and encouraged. Such alternatives, which include FROT (phallus-on-phallus) and intercrural (thrusting between the thighs), are not only far safer but also completely painless, far cleaner, less degrading and more egalitarian than buggery, anilingus and even fellatio.

    For those interested in reading more on this and related topics, I recommend the following links as a starting point:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/w-h-o-the-greatest-enemy-we-face-is-not-the-virus-itself-its-the-stigma-that-turns-us-against-each-other/#comment-3734147

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/removing-politics-from-politics/#comment-3573990
    and my subsequent posts in that thread.
  59. I was surprised to see that so many states have open primaries. I didn’t count, but from the list I saw it looks to be around 30. Of course the problem with that is South Carolina Repubs can mess with the Dems primary (the Dems have done it to the Repubs many times) so look for Michael Avenatti to have a respectable showing.

  60. @Rob
    Since this is the debate thread, I gots a q. ‘bout Bloomie’s stop n frisk. I’m assuming it was unpopular with the shooty kind of blacks, but what about the middle-aged black women who actually vote in primaries?

    For some reason Democrats aim 90-percent of their African American outreach at the gang-banger, drug-dealing, school-to-prison-pipeline element of the community. Blacks should feel insulted.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    BLM was quite popular. If most blacks are not gang-bangers/drug-dealers, they have sons who are or cousins who are, etc. and they don't want the POlice bothering them. Or else they have sons who are not gang bangers but whose fashion choices resemble them so that they are subject to being hassled by the cops anyway. This is true even of blacks who themselves have climbed far out of the ghetto. Even Obama said that Trayvon could have been his son.

    Blacks are more worried about whites preying on their sons than they are about gang bangers preying on them. This is the nature of racial politics. Thousands of blacks can kill each other every year - that's a black thang and none of your business. But let one "White Hispanic" touch a hair on the head of a precious black youth and it's time for a riot.
  61. @Whiskey
    Have you seen the latest? A full 64 employees filed 42 lawsuits over the past 20 years against Bloomberg personally for ... sexual harassment and degradation of female employees.

    Meanwhile Bernies old articles demanding toddlers get naked and touch each other's genitals and women all have multiple rape fantasies came out.

    Fun, fun times.

    Bloomberg personally for … sexual harassment and degradation of female employees. Bernies old articles demanding toddlers get naked and touch each other’s genitals

    At what point do normal people say that this is not “who we are?” At what point are so-called Progressives called-out on their inappropriate adult sexual desires being paramount?

    As an immigrant, my parents were terrified about the sexual licentiousness of Americans – this idea was well known in Northern Europe – the American decadence in the 60’s. The terrible divorce rate in NYC/Boston/CA/metropolitan areas was also a scourge for my parents. I met a lot of kids with divorced parents and weird parents in the late 60’s in Aamerikka. This country is truly filled with people I always guarded my sons, when they were young, from. Most importantly, children are sacred and need to be protected from adults and their erotic desires and monetary manipulation.

  62. @Paleo Liberal
    The closest thing to a candidate dying before the election was RFK, who was assassinated just after winning the California primary. That led to the ugliest brokered convention ever. As in riots in the streets.

    William Henry Harrison died right after inauguration.


    I lived in NYC for a while, and there were a couple of elections that were stranger than fiction. As in you couldn’t make this stuff up.

    One year the incumbent candidate in my district for Congress died right before the election. He stayed on the ballot. The winning party got to pick a Congressman to replace the dead guy. They picked Jerry Nadler. No special election because the death was before he was sworn in. Seriously. That’s how Nadler got into Congress. The dead guy got in when Ed Koch left office to take over as mayor of NYC.

    Another time 2000 people died in Election Day so they cancelled the election. Actually a primary, on Tuesday the 11th of September, 2001. The resulting swing away from Democrats and towards the GOP put Bloomberg into office.

    >The closest thing to a candidate dying before the election was RFK, who was assassinated just after winning the California primary. That led to the ugliest brokered convention ever. As in riots in the streets.

    I don’t think RFK surviving would have changed anything in 1968. The rioters and the people who indulged them supported McCarthy, not Kennedy, whose support came from different quarters: black Americans, and ironically enough, working-class Northern whites whom George Wallace appealed to. This dualistic appeal isn’t as weird as it sounds: Jimmy Carter did the same thing as governor of Georgia.

    An oft-missed episode displaying the essential split between who the two appealed to was that RFK lost the Oregon primary to McCarthy partly because one of J. Edgar Hoover’s merry men (no doubt with LBJ’s encouragement) leaked how he wiretapped MLK when he was AG. Between things like that and his anti-Communist past, I think that McCarthyite kid summed it up best when he told RFK that they forgave him but they didn’t trust him.

    Where things get interesting is 1976. I think that’s the year he would have become President had he survived, which leads to some interesting butterflies. Seeing an RFK vs. Reagan race would have been very fun.

  63. @Jonathan Mason
    Certainly for the amount of money Bloomberg is prepared to pay for media advertising, he might just as well pay voters directly for their votes or pay commissions to intermediaries for delivering or bundling votes.

    Groups who were interested in particular local pet projects could sell votes per thousand in exchange for favorable consideration, which is the same way the donor system works anyway, except in reverse. Instead of donating cash for favors, people would donate votes for cash. Democracy would be the beneficiary, as you could expect a higher than normal degree of electoral participation and the economy would benefit.

    At least it would be honest.

    >Certainly for the amount of money Bloomberg is prepared to pay for media advertising, he might just as well pay voters directly for their votes or pay commissions to intermediaries for delivering or bundling votes.

    I have a feeling that the nonstop pushing of Bloomberg from the MSM is eventually going to elicit some backlash. It’s just so blatantly obvious now.

    If there’s a brokered convention and Bloomberg gets the nomination, we will have a repeat of Chicago ’68, regardless of what Sanders wants. That’s ultimately going to benefit Trump. In 1968, Nixon was up by 15 points over Humphrey in early September. It speaks to the strength of the New Deal coalition and LBJ’s political skills that they managed to almost come back.

    >Groups who were interested in particular local pet projects could sell votes per thousand in exchange for favorable consideration, which is the same way the donor system works anyway, except in reverse. Instead of donating cash for favors, people would donate votes for cash. Democracy would be the beneficiary, as you could expect a higher than normal degree of electoral participation and the economy would benefit.

    My first agenda as POTUS would be packing the court to ensure an override of Citizens United. Donor politics must die, ASAP.

  64. @Paleo Liberal
    The closest thing to a candidate dying before the election was RFK, who was assassinated just after winning the California primary. That led to the ugliest brokered convention ever. As in riots in the streets.

    William Henry Harrison died right after inauguration.


    I lived in NYC for a while, and there were a couple of elections that were stranger than fiction. As in you couldn’t make this stuff up.

    One year the incumbent candidate in my district for Congress died right before the election. He stayed on the ballot. The winning party got to pick a Congressman to replace the dead guy. They picked Jerry Nadler. No special election because the death was before he was sworn in. Seriously. That’s how Nadler got into Congress. The dead guy got in when Ed Koch left office to take over as mayor of NYC.

    Another time 2000 people died in Election Day so they cancelled the election. Actually a primary, on Tuesday the 11th of September, 2001. The resulting swing away from Democrats and towards the GOP put Bloomberg into office.

    One year the incumbent candidate in my district for Congress died right before the election. He stayed on the ballot.

    Paul Wellstone died a week before the election in 2002. Walter Mondale was quickly recruited to take his place. There was no time to campaign, but the candidates knew each other well, as Norm Coleman was a protege of sorts of Mondale when in the DFL.

    I tore a Mondale sign off a telephone pole right after the election, because of its rarity. A union rushed it out, probably a quick update of a much older one.

    In 1980 in Maryland, Republican Rep. Robert Bauman was caught up in a gay bar scandal, and Democratic Rep. Gladys Spellman went into a coma from which she never recovered. He lost, she won.

    Wags said that it showed that Maryland voters preferred a vegetable to a fruit. Best election re-cap ever!

    Who replaced Gladys Spellman? Why, one Steny Hoyer, who’s still there.

    Maryland’s gerrymandered districts remind me of something, but I’m not sure what. The Hebrew alphabet?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_delegations_from_Maryland

    None of Maryland’s made the Ugly Gerry font, perhaps because they all seem to point west. Perfect for one of the backward Semitic scripts.

    https://uglygerry.com/

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    https://www.geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Goofy-Kicking-Donald-Duck.png
    , @Lagertha
    You always make my day! I hold you in my prayers (so not kidding) every night. Your energy amazes me, and...I am so proud of you. I go to bed, every night, knowing that you give a shit about Amerikka.
  65. @Reg Cæsar

    One year the incumbent candidate in my district for Congress died right before the election. He stayed on the ballot.
     
    Paul Wellstone died a week before the election in 2002. Walter Mondale was quickly recruited to take his place. There was no time to campaign, but the candidates knew each other well, as Norm Coleman was a protege of sorts of Mondale when in the DFL.

    I tore a Mondale sign off a telephone pole right after the election, because of its rarity. A union rushed it out, probably a quick update of a much older one.

    In 1980 in Maryland, Republican Rep. Robert Bauman was caught up in a gay bar scandal, and Democratic Rep. Gladys Spellman went into a coma from which she never recovered. He lost, she won.

    Wags said that it showed that Maryland voters preferred a vegetable to a fruit. Best election re-cap ever!

    Who replaced Gladys Spellman? Why, one Steny Hoyer, who's still there.

    Maryland's gerrymandered districts remind me of something, but I'm not sure what. The Hebrew alphabet?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_delegations_from_Maryland

    None of Maryland's made the Ugly Gerry font, perhaps because they all seem to point west. Perfect for one of the backward Semitic scripts.

    https://uglygerry.com/

    https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2019/08/featgerry.jpg

  66. @nebulafox
    Agreed. The fact that the New York Times is engaging in ridiculous hyperbole ("finest mathematical minds": I strongly doubt that Ms. Johnson, for her part, would have placed herself in the same category as Steven Weinberg or Yoichiro Nambu or Donald Knuth) shouldn't obscure the fact that she lived a good life. She pressed her talents far beyond what society would have naturally let her and ended up doing non-trivial work for the benefit of the United States, which she wouldn't have had the Jim Crow types had their way.

    That's more than what you can say for most people, then or now.

    RIP.

    The fact that the New York Times is engaging in ridiculous hyperbole (“finest mathematical minds”: I strongly doubt that Ms. Johnson, for her part, would have placed herself in the same category as Steven Weinberg or Yoichiro Nambu or Donald Knuth)

    You would be right:

    NASA:

    NASA Langley’s Katherine Johnson Computational Research Facility Officially Opens
    Sept. 22, 2017

    When she heard that NASA’s Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, would name its newest building after her, Katherine Johnson responded the only way she could – with surprise.

    “You want my honest answer? I think they’re crazy,” the 99-year-old Johnson, of “Hidden Figures” fame, said with a laugh.

  67. @Reg Cæsar

    One year the incumbent candidate in my district for Congress died right before the election. He stayed on the ballot.
     
    Paul Wellstone died a week before the election in 2002. Walter Mondale was quickly recruited to take his place. There was no time to campaign, but the candidates knew each other well, as Norm Coleman was a protege of sorts of Mondale when in the DFL.

    I tore a Mondale sign off a telephone pole right after the election, because of its rarity. A union rushed it out, probably a quick update of a much older one.

    In 1980 in Maryland, Republican Rep. Robert Bauman was caught up in a gay bar scandal, and Democratic Rep. Gladys Spellman went into a coma from which she never recovered. He lost, she won.

    Wags said that it showed that Maryland voters preferred a vegetable to a fruit. Best election re-cap ever!

    Who replaced Gladys Spellman? Why, one Steny Hoyer, who's still there.

    Maryland's gerrymandered districts remind me of something, but I'm not sure what. The Hebrew alphabet?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_delegations_from_Maryland

    None of Maryland's made the Ugly Gerry font, perhaps because they all seem to point west. Perfect for one of the backward Semitic scripts.

    https://uglygerry.com/

    https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2019/08/featgerry.jpg

    You always make my day! I hold you in my prayers (so not kidding) every night. Your energy amazes me, and…I am so proud of you. I go to bed, every night, knowing that you give a shit about Amerikka.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Kiittoksia.

    ...about Amerikka
     
    Trump vs Sanders = AmeriKKKa, or USSA?

    This Jenkki is disturbed to learn that Yhdysvallat, which is plural, is often used with a singular verb, as in our degraded tongue.

    The French, Germans, Russians, etc., don't do that, do they? Were I to run for president, I'd use are, have, descend, collapse, disappear, etc., in all my speeches. Watch the press freak out!

  68. Will Obama intervene in the Democratic fight for the Presidential nomination?

    Presumably BHO’s moves are predicated in part on who looks strongest. It would look weak to endorse a flailing loser.

    PredictIt’s selling prices, as of this writing, imply the following odds to win in November:

    Trump at 48%
    Bernie at 30%
    Bloomberg at 8%
    Biden at 8%
    Warren, Buttigieg, Hillary at cumulative 5%
    All Others at 1% (incl. Klobuchar).

    Biden not done yet. If he stays competitive, it isn’t hard to imagine a March endorsement by BHO for for Biden.

    (See also, the odds calculated from the same source, six days ago [#217]; seven days ago, Bloomberg was at 15%, Bernie 27%. Bernie has taken a good bit of Bloomberg’s losses.)

    • Replies: @anon
    What are the odds of Biden winning election to the Senate?

    https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/idOVC249M8V
  69. @Hail

    Will Obama intervene in the Democratic fight for the Presidential nomination?
     
    Presumably BHO's moves are predicated in part on who looks strongest. It would look weak to endorse a flailing loser.

    PredictIt's selling prices, as of this writing, imply the following odds to win in November:

    Trump at 48%
    Bernie at 30%
    Bloomberg at 8%
    Biden at 8%
    Warren, Buttigieg, Hillary at cumulative 5%
    All Others at 1% (incl. Klobuchar).

    Biden not done yet. If he stays competitive, it isn't hard to imagine a March endorsement by BHO for for Biden.

    (See also, the odds calculated from the same source, six days ago [#217]; seven days ago, Bloomberg was at 15%, Bernie 27%. Bernie has taken a good bit of Bloomberg's losses.)

    What are the odds of Biden winning election to the Senate?

    https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/idOVC249M8V

  70. @Hypnotoad666

    There’s just no way they will be able to explain taking it away from someone with a gigantic, commanding lead.
     
    Suppose Bernie has 38% of the delegates and the other 62% are split: Biden (20%); Bloomberg (15%); Buttigieg (15%); All others (12%).

    Is that a "gigantic, commanding lead?" The other candidates can just as easily say: "Bernie didn't get a majority and, in fact, a majority support a non-Bernie, non-socialist, moderate." It's like a parliamentary coalition-building process.

    And, in the end, there are no "Democrats" in the abstract who will be making the choice. It will be the delegates themselves and the candidates who more or less control them (together with the super-delegates). Frankly, anything could happen.

    Indeed, one scenario would be Bernie cutting a deal with one of the "moderates" (the opportunistic Buttigieg seems a likely target), to trade the VP spot for their delegates' support.

    We haven't had a brokered convention in our lifetimes. So we have forgotten how cynical the horsetrading can be.

    I think it would be fairly easy to displace Bernie so long as #2 and #3 have as many delegates and run on a joint ticket. Under your scenario, it would be more difficult, but the party would be insane to run Bernie so he’ll probably be stopped at all costs.

  71. @El Dato
    He will endorse Katherine Johnson, an American mathematician whose calculations of orbital mechanics as a NASA employee were critical to the success of the first and subsequent U.S. crewed spaceflights [dubious - discuss], who died yesterday.

    Wiki on her is slightly more illuminating, at least in its links, to the “Glenn wouldn’t fly without her OK” story.

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/katherine-johnson-the-girl-who-loved-to-count

    “As a computer, she calculated the trajectory for Alan Shepard, the first American in space. Even after NASA began using electronic computers, John Glenn requested that she personally recheck the calculations made by the new electronic computers before his flight aboard Friendship 7 – the mission on which he became the first American to orbit the Earth. “

    In other words, they’d introduced a new calculation method, and Glenn sensibly wanted the results double-checked against the old method – which isn’t quite the impression we were given.

    Is there any contemporaneous evidence of this story, and that Glenn specifically asked for her? That NASA link is 2016, by which time Glenn had only months to live and NASA was as PC as can be.

    PS – after Trump’s visit to India, BJP activists in Delhi attacked Muslims who were blocking roads in protest against India’s new law prohibiting Muslim refugees getting citizenship, and it’s all kicked off.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/26/delhi-protests-death-toll-climbs-amid-worst-religious-violence-for-decades

    “The death toll from the worst religious violence in Delhi in decades has risen to 20, as Muslims fled from their homes and several mosques in the capital smouldered after being attacked by Hindu mobs.

    The deathly clashes between Hindu and Muslim groups that began on Sunday showed no sign of abating on the third consecutive day, with reports of early morning looting on some Muslim homes which had been abandoned out of fear.

    More than 200 people were admitted to hospitals for injuries which ranged from gunshot wounds, to acid burns, stabbings and wounds from beatings and stone pelting. Several of those who died had jumped from high buildings to escape the attacking mobs.”

  72. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1232061971148746754

    Katherine Johnson looks pretty white to me.

    My first job interview was for data entry for a hedge fund trading CDOs, I didn’t get it and they presumably went belly up a two or three years later. Had I got the job I would have also exaggerated my role.

  73. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    We haven’t had a brokered convention in our lifetimes.
     
    Which is why we probably won't have one this time either. In modern times a single candidate usually emerges before the convention.

    BUT, aside from your scenario, the other one is that the Dems abandon Bernie, 40% of the vote on the 1st round notwithstanding and pick someone else. The Congressional Democrats, esp. the ones that picked up Republican seats in suburban swing districts in 2018, are going wild at the thought that Bernie is going to go down in flames and take them with him and he's not even a Democrat.

    We won’t have it because it’s abjectly retarded.

    There is NO CONSTITUENCY for stealing the nomination outside of Thomas friedman and Chris matthews and DNC commissars. None. Zero.

    They can’t fucking do it because it makes no sense because nobody would support it. So Bernie’s at 40% and Bloomberg’s at 15%. Who, of the 85% who didn’t vote for Bloomberg, is going to support Bloomberg stealing the nomination? The answer is LITERALLY NOBODY.

    So they can’t do it. Bloomberg, Thomas Friedman, and Chris Matthews are just going to have to cry about it. There’s no other option.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    That’s where they bring in Hillary or Michelle.
  74. @Jonathan Mason
    Certainly for the amount of money Bloomberg is prepared to pay for media advertising, he might just as well pay voters directly for their votes or pay commissions to intermediaries for delivering or bundling votes.

    Groups who were interested in particular local pet projects could sell votes per thousand in exchange for favorable consideration, which is the same way the donor system works anyway, except in reverse. Instead of donating cash for favors, people would donate votes for cash. Democracy would be the beneficiary, as you could expect a higher than normal degree of electoral participation and the economy would benefit.

    At least it would be honest.

    My grandson (9-years old) is getting “Bloomberg for President” ads on his iPad while he watches kiddie programs in the evening … three within the last two days within a span of two hours. Now, THAT’s targeted advertising that will have an impact on voters!

    Questions: What percent of Bloomberg’s ads are wasted on toddlers and other non-voting populations … and what do they cost? Regardless, it’s clear Bloomberg is using a shotgun to “paint the world with money” in the desperate, last-minute hope that he’ll find traction somewhere.

    BTW: “Charles, who are you voting for? Did the Bloomberg ads make a difference?”

  75. If there is a brokered convention, the compromise candidate has to be close enough to Bernie to get his approval and endorsement, otherwise the party will implode. Thus, the most likely choice by a very wide margin isnt Bloomberg, Biden, or Buttigieg, but Warren. The Unitarian Minister can still win this.

    Bernie is the kingmaker now, if not the king, because he has built such a loyal following. The Maginot Line analogy was apt: the moderates have already lost. It’s over.

  76. @Dr. X

    Which Dem Will Obama Endorse?
     
    It really doesn't matter. Obama is a self-absorbed racial narcissist, not a "Democrat." The party used him, and he used them. He has no loyalties other than himself and the black race.

    If there were a Negro or mulatto running on the Democrat side, Obama would automatically endorse him, but there isn't.

    I'm sure that Obama is on board with most of Sanders's agenda, but he's not very fond of Jews. I'd say that Obama would identify most closely with Buttigieg, but he knows that Anal Pete ain't gonna get the nomination and ain't gonna get elected president.

    Obama will probably wait until after the convention chooses a nominee, and then give that person a tepid endorsement.

    “If there were a Negro or mulatto running on the Democrat side, Obama would automatically endorse him, but there isn’t.”

    Then why didn’t he endorse Cory Booker or Deval Patrick early on?

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    Or Kamala Harris.

    They didn't have a chance and everyone knew it.
  77. Registered voters who don’t usually vote for Democrats get a free kick Saturday here in South Carolina. There is no Republican primary this cycle and we don’t register by party so all one has to do is ask for a Democrat ballot.

    There is a fair amount of organizing of R voters in the state to cast votes for Bernie to monkey wrench the Dems. But I want Corn Pop Biden to keep going for the comedy value of it.

    What to do….

  78. @Joe Stalin
    Indeed.

    Let's put in a word for the people that have been deliberately deleted from popular American remembrance of Apollo space flight:

    https://inteng-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/images/MARCH/sizes/von-braun-rocket_science11_resize_md.jpg

    Dr. Wernher von Braun

    https://museum-peenemuende.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/GP_06_Arthur-Rudolph-859x1200.jpeg

    Arthur Rudolph

    Rudolph especially was a war criminal who was deeply involved in overseeing the starving concentration camp prisoners who built the V-2. The V-2 was perhaps the only weapons system in history where more people died in building it than were killed by it. Somewhere between 12–20,000 prisoners died while building the V-2 rockets at Mittelwerk. von Braun had some level of plausible deniability (oh, I never noticed all those starving people in striped uniforms wandering around my rocket factory) but Rudolph didn’t even have that much.

    I am not in favor of cancel culture. Von Braun’s contributions to rocketry are undeniable (and 1,000 times more important than Johnson’s). But our portraits of heroes have to be rendered in all shades of grey and not just in black and white. Johnson’s obituary in the NY Times was right out of Pravda – Heroic Worker Stakhanov/Johnson single handedly brought us to the moon by her brilliant feats at the adding machine/shoveling more coal than is humanly possible! This is a lie and to mention von Braun and Rudolph’s role in the American space program without mentioning their deep involvement in the criminal Nazi regime is also a lie. The cure for lies is not more lies.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin

    Mr. Rudolph's association with Dr. von Braun started in Peenemunde, where scientists made the V-1 and V-2 rockets for the German war machine. Like Mr. Rudolph, Dr. von Braun faced accusations about his past. He responded that he was a scientist dedicated to rockets and space flight and nothing else.

    Mr. Rudolph first joined forces with Dr. von Braun in 1934 and remembered igniting his early rockets with lighted cigarettes.

    At the time of his entry into the United States, Mr. Rudolph was described by the American military government in Germany as an "ardent Nazi," but he was not classified as a war criminal. Army documents from two years later showed, however, that Mr. Rudolph had indeed been classified as a war criminal by West German and United States officials.

    These documents surfaced when the Office of Special Investigations was formed in the Justice Department to investigate war crimes. The office conducted an investigation and interviewed survivors of forced labor at the V-2 factory. Fred Sher, the director of special investigations, said that this evidence was presented to Mr. Rudolph and that he signed a document agreeing to relinquish his United States citizenship. In return, the Justice Department agreed not to pursue his case in the United States.

    The Justice Department handed the information over to West Germany. In 1987 that Government ruled there was insufficient evidence to justify trying Mr. Rudolph.

    Feeling vindicated, Mr. Rudolph began trying to regain his American citizenship and return to the United States. Some present and former employees at the Marshall center and elsewhere at NASA supported him, saying that Mr. Rudolph's contribution to the American space program had never received the proper credit.


    Mr. Rudolph is survived by his wife, Martha, of Hamburg; and a daughter, Marianne Rudolph of San Jose, Calif.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/03/us/arthur-rudolph-89-developer-of-rocket-in-first-apollo-flight.html
     
    , @Muggles
    >>This is a lie and to mention von Braun and Rudolph’s role in the American space program without mentioning their deep involvement in the criminal Nazi regime is also a lie. The cure for lies is not more lies.<<

    So, no Kobe Bryant standard for them? Pure adulation and no - ahem - mention of past and very expensive indiscretions? But no one gave huge public memorial services for the two ex Nazi, now NASA scientists.

    How sad that standards never seem to change. .
  79. @Steve Sailer
    Mrs. Johnson was the best of the computer ladies and wound up doing some moderately sophisticated stuff.

    A life well led. RIP.

    What you said is a fair statement and if this is what her obituary in effect said (not that people who do “moderately sophisticated stuff” usually get NYTimes obits let alone ones that run on Page A1) it would have been fair enough. But calling her “one of the finest mathematical minds in the country” and making it seem as if she was the person most responsible for the moon landings is (pardon my French) bullshit.

  80. Obama does not create parades. He will wait to see which parade is the biggest and will get in front of it. He is not a leader. He goes wherever he is pushed.

  81. @Harry Baldwin
    For some reason Democrats aim 90-percent of their African American outreach at the gang-banger, drug-dealing, school-to-prison-pipeline element of the community. Blacks should feel insulted.

    BLM was quite popular. If most blacks are not gang-bangers/drug-dealers, they have sons who are or cousins who are, etc. and they don’t want the POlice bothering them. Or else they have sons who are not gang bangers but whose fashion choices resemble them so that they are subject to being hassled by the cops anyway. This is true even of blacks who themselves have climbed far out of the ghetto. Even Obama said that Trayvon could have been his son.

    Blacks are more worried about whites preying on their sons than they are about gang bangers preying on them. This is the nature of racial politics. Thousands of blacks can kill each other every year – that’s a black thang and none of your business. But let one “White Hispanic” touch a hair on the head of a precious black youth and it’s time for a riot.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "BLM was quite popular"

    but like tracer bullets, it worked both ways. At the time I was living in a very black area that had a BLM incident. I was obliged to put a blue light bulb on my porch because my wife was a lawyer and the serious white people in town were not kidding about "blue lives matter" as a response.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Obama said that Trayvon could have been his son.

    I wonder if he would say Trayvon could have dated his daughter.
  82. @Anonymous
    We won't have it because it's abjectly retarded.

    There is NO CONSTITUENCY for stealing the nomination outside of Thomas friedman and Chris matthews and DNC commissars. None. Zero.

    They can't fucking do it because it makes no sense because nobody would support it. So Bernie's at 40% and Bloomberg's at 15%. Who, of the 85% who didn't vote for Bloomberg, is going to support Bloomberg stealing the nomination? The answer is LITERALLY NOBODY.

    So they can't do it. Bloomberg, Thomas Friedman, and Chris Matthews are just going to have to cry about it. There's no other option.

    That’s where they bring in Hillary or Michelle.

  83. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    BLM was quite popular. If most blacks are not gang-bangers/drug-dealers, they have sons who are or cousins who are, etc. and they don't want the POlice bothering them. Or else they have sons who are not gang bangers but whose fashion choices resemble them so that they are subject to being hassled by the cops anyway. This is true even of blacks who themselves have climbed far out of the ghetto. Even Obama said that Trayvon could have been his son.

    Blacks are more worried about whites preying on their sons than they are about gang bangers preying on them. This is the nature of racial politics. Thousands of blacks can kill each other every year - that's a black thang and none of your business. But let one "White Hispanic" touch a hair on the head of a precious black youth and it's time for a riot.

    “BLM was quite popular”

    but like tracer bullets, it worked both ways. At the time I was living in a very black area that had a BLM incident. I was obliged to put a blue light bulb on my porch because my wife was a lawyer and the serious white people in town were not kidding about “blue lives matter” as a response.

  84. @Lagertha
    You always make my day! I hold you in my prayers (so not kidding) every night. Your energy amazes me, and...I am so proud of you. I go to bed, every night, knowing that you give a shit about Amerikka.

    Kiittoksia.

    …about Amerikka

    Trump vs Sanders = AmeriKKKa, or USSA?

    This Jenkki is disturbed to learn that Yhdysvallat, which is plural, is often used with a singular verb, as in our degraded tongue.

    The French, Germans, Russians, etc., don’t do that, do they? Were I to run for president, I’d use are, have, descend, collapse, disappear, etc., in all my speeches. Watch the press freak out!

  85. @Jack D
    Rudolph especially was a war criminal who was deeply involved in overseeing the starving concentration camp prisoners who built the V-2. The V-2 was perhaps the only weapons system in history where more people died in building it than were killed by it. Somewhere between 12–20,000 prisoners died while building the V-2 rockets at Mittelwerk. von Braun had some level of plausible deniability (oh, I never noticed all those starving people in striped uniforms wandering around my rocket factory) but Rudolph didn't even have that much.

    I am not in favor of cancel culture. Von Braun's contributions to rocketry are undeniable (and 1,000 times more important than Johnson's). But our portraits of heroes have to be rendered in all shades of grey and not just in black and white. Johnson's obituary in the NY Times was right out of Pravda - Heroic Worker Stakhanov/Johnson single handedly brought us to the moon by her brilliant feats at the adding machine/shoveling more coal than is humanly possible! This is a lie and to mention von Braun and Rudolph's role in the American space program without mentioning their deep involvement in the criminal Nazi regime is also a lie. The cure for lies is not more lies.

    Mr. Rudolph’s association with Dr. von Braun started in Peenemunde, where scientists made the V-1 and V-2 rockets for the German war machine. Like Mr. Rudolph, Dr. von Braun faced accusations about his past. He responded that he was a scientist dedicated to rockets and space flight and nothing else.

    Mr. Rudolph first joined forces with Dr. von Braun in 1934 and remembered igniting his early rockets with lighted cigarettes.

    At the time of his entry into the United States, Mr. Rudolph was described by the American military government in Germany as an “ardent Nazi,” but he was not classified as a war criminal. Army documents from two years later showed, however, that Mr. Rudolph had indeed been classified as a war criminal by West German and United States officials.

    These documents surfaced when the Office of Special Investigations was formed in the Justice Department to investigate war crimes. The office conducted an investigation and interviewed survivors of forced labor at the V-2 factory. Fred Sher, the director of special investigations, said that this evidence was presented to Mr. Rudolph and that he signed a document agreeing to relinquish his United States citizenship. In return, the Justice Department agreed not to pursue his case in the United States.

    The Justice Department handed the information over to West Germany. In 1987 that Government ruled there was insufficient evidence to justify trying Mr. Rudolph.

    Feeling vindicated, Mr. Rudolph began trying to regain his American citizenship and return to the United States. Some present and former employees at the Marshall center and elsewhere at NASA supported him, saying that Mr. Rudolph’s contribution to the American space program had never received the proper credit.

    Mr. Rudolph is survived by his wife, Martha, of Hamburg; and a daughter, Marianne Rudolph of San Jose, Calif.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/03/us/arthur-rudolph-89-developer-of-rocket-in-first-apollo-flight.html

    • Replies: @Jack D
    For some reason, the West Germans were always kind of lukewarm about putting their own citizens on trial for war crimes. I really don't understand it - given that so many W. German officials had themselves worked for the Nazi regime you would think that they would have wanted to purge all the actual war criminals from their midst. [sarc tag off]
  86. Obama will endorse whatever Dem wins the nomination. He won’t dare do anything until the nomination is won.

  87. My money is on a brokered convention where Hillary Clinton emerges as the Presidential nominee. If I had to double down, my guess is that Michelle Obama would be the VP. That would Unite the Clinton’s and Obama’s and get (((Bloomberg’s))) money and the other usual financial backers to contribute. The only loose piece of the puzzle would be the Bern Bros. who haven’t figured out by now that they will never have real power and they have no future in the Democratic party; not that they ever did. They would be free to drift back to their Mother’s basements and play video games.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Your ACTUAL money? Because I would be more than willing to take the other side of that bet. No one (other than Hillary herself) has any appetite for a Hillary rematch. Nothing says "proven loser" like an actual proven loser. And Moochelle has too nice a life to want a job with real responsibilities. And the Bernie Bros would indeed retreat to their basements and avoid the polling booths, thereby taking what little chance Hillary had with them (and the Dems know this).


    Jason y's theory that if it can't be Bernie at a brokered convention it at least has to be someone acceptable to Bernie (e.g. Warren) makes the most sense. Warren would (her whole fake Indian thing notwithstanding - the MSM has memory holed it) indeed be perhaps the most formidable threat to Trump at this point, so pray that the Dems don't figure this out.
    , @Bizarro World Observer
    I think the Dems have had their fill of Hillary, no matter how desperate they may become. In any case, the Bernie Bros may go back to their basements, but not before throwing all their toys out of the pram: it'll be Chicago '68 all over again.

    They were angry enough that they were shafted by the DNC last time; but coming this close to success only to have it snatched away by scheming Establishment types will goad them to white-hot rage. The Antifa violence in Berkeley, Charlotte, and elsewhere is but a foretaste of that.
    , @bigdicknick
    wrong!
  88. He’s not going to endorse anybody before the convention. If the DNC gives the nomination to somebody other than Sanders, Obama will help them by blessing the chosen candidate.

    Seems to me his current impartiality implies that a super-delegate coup is under consideration.

  89. probably no one. He would have endorsed Joe or Warren to help get the win over Bernie Breadlines, but now old Joe and Pocahontas are getting BTFO’d so bad that Obama would just be beclowning himself by trying to help them.

  90. @Prof. Woland
    My money is on a brokered convention where Hillary Clinton emerges as the Presidential nominee. If I had to double down, my guess is that Michelle Obama would be the VP. That would Unite the Clinton's and Obama's and get (((Bloomberg's))) money and the other usual financial backers to contribute. The only loose piece of the puzzle would be the Bern Bros. who haven't figured out by now that they will never have real power and they have no future in the Democratic party; not that they ever did. They would be free to drift back to their Mother's basements and play video games.

    Your ACTUAL money? Because I would be more than willing to take the other side of that bet. No one (other than Hillary herself) has any appetite for a Hillary rematch. Nothing says “proven loser” like an actual proven loser. And Moochelle has too nice a life to want a job with real responsibilities. And the Bernie Bros would indeed retreat to their basements and avoid the polling booths, thereby taking what little chance Hillary had with them (and the Dems know this).

    Jason y’s theory that if it can’t be Bernie at a brokered convention it at least has to be someone acceptable to Bernie (e.g. Warren) makes the most sense. Warren would (her whole fake Indian thing notwithstanding – the MSM has memory holed it) indeed be perhaps the most formidable threat to Trump at this point, so pray that the Dems don’t figure this out.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    Jack, I would take the odds of course, but don't rule it out. Michelle Obama is more of a stretch for sure but don't underestimate how desperate the DNC is. The more intense speculation is that it would be a Clinton-Bloomberg ticket (in that order) but this all remains to be seen. We should check back with each other after this is all done. If nothing else we can have a good laugh.

    Perhaps Steve should set up a straw poll to see what his readers think.

    , @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1232707074099994624
  91. @Joe Stalin

    Mr. Rudolph's association with Dr. von Braun started in Peenemunde, where scientists made the V-1 and V-2 rockets for the German war machine. Like Mr. Rudolph, Dr. von Braun faced accusations about his past. He responded that he was a scientist dedicated to rockets and space flight and nothing else.

    Mr. Rudolph first joined forces with Dr. von Braun in 1934 and remembered igniting his early rockets with lighted cigarettes.

    At the time of his entry into the United States, Mr. Rudolph was described by the American military government in Germany as an "ardent Nazi," but he was not classified as a war criminal. Army documents from two years later showed, however, that Mr. Rudolph had indeed been classified as a war criminal by West German and United States officials.

    These documents surfaced when the Office of Special Investigations was formed in the Justice Department to investigate war crimes. The office conducted an investigation and interviewed survivors of forced labor at the V-2 factory. Fred Sher, the director of special investigations, said that this evidence was presented to Mr. Rudolph and that he signed a document agreeing to relinquish his United States citizenship. In return, the Justice Department agreed not to pursue his case in the United States.

    The Justice Department handed the information over to West Germany. In 1987 that Government ruled there was insufficient evidence to justify trying Mr. Rudolph.

    Feeling vindicated, Mr. Rudolph began trying to regain his American citizenship and return to the United States. Some present and former employees at the Marshall center and elsewhere at NASA supported him, saying that Mr. Rudolph's contribution to the American space program had never received the proper credit.


    Mr. Rudolph is survived by his wife, Martha, of Hamburg; and a daughter, Marianne Rudolph of San Jose, Calif.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/03/us/arthur-rudolph-89-developer-of-rocket-in-first-apollo-flight.html
     

    For some reason, the West Germans were always kind of lukewarm about putting their own citizens on trial for war crimes. I really don’t understand it – given that so many W. German officials had themselves worked for the Nazi regime you would think that they would have wanted to purge all the actual war criminals from their midst. [sarc tag off]

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  92. @Jack D
    Rudolph especially was a war criminal who was deeply involved in overseeing the starving concentration camp prisoners who built the V-2. The V-2 was perhaps the only weapons system in history where more people died in building it than were killed by it. Somewhere between 12–20,000 prisoners died while building the V-2 rockets at Mittelwerk. von Braun had some level of plausible deniability (oh, I never noticed all those starving people in striped uniforms wandering around my rocket factory) but Rudolph didn't even have that much.

    I am not in favor of cancel culture. Von Braun's contributions to rocketry are undeniable (and 1,000 times more important than Johnson's). But our portraits of heroes have to be rendered in all shades of grey and not just in black and white. Johnson's obituary in the NY Times was right out of Pravda - Heroic Worker Stakhanov/Johnson single handedly brought us to the moon by her brilliant feats at the adding machine/shoveling more coal than is humanly possible! This is a lie and to mention von Braun and Rudolph's role in the American space program without mentioning their deep involvement in the criminal Nazi regime is also a lie. The cure for lies is not more lies.

    >>This is a lie and to mention von Braun and Rudolph’s role in the American space program without mentioning their deep involvement in the criminal Nazi regime is also a lie. The cure for lies is not more lies.<<

    So, no Kobe Bryant standard for them? Pure adulation and no – ahem – mention of past and very expensive indiscretions? But no one gave huge public memorial services for the two ex Nazi, now NASA scientists.

    How sad that standards never seem to change. .

    • Replies: @Jack D
    One evening, Bryant committed an, ahem, indiscretion with a female who dropped the charges after receiving a very generous settlement. And it was mentioned in the publicity surrounding his death.

    Around 20,000 lice ridden starving humans died at Mittelbau-Dora concentration camp, after being held for years (or as long as they lasted - the weak would only last a few weeks) in unimaginably brutal conditions and on a starvation diet. These prisoners were the workforce who built the rockets designed by von Braun and Rudolph (and they knew it).

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Nordhausenmassgrave.jpg

    It's not quite the same thing.

  93. @Jack D
    Your ACTUAL money? Because I would be more than willing to take the other side of that bet. No one (other than Hillary herself) has any appetite for a Hillary rematch. Nothing says "proven loser" like an actual proven loser. And Moochelle has too nice a life to want a job with real responsibilities. And the Bernie Bros would indeed retreat to their basements and avoid the polling booths, thereby taking what little chance Hillary had with them (and the Dems know this).


    Jason y's theory that if it can't be Bernie at a brokered convention it at least has to be someone acceptable to Bernie (e.g. Warren) makes the most sense. Warren would (her whole fake Indian thing notwithstanding - the MSM has memory holed it) indeed be perhaps the most formidable threat to Trump at this point, so pray that the Dems don't figure this out.

    Jack, I would take the odds of course, but don’t rule it out. Michelle Obama is more of a stretch for sure but don’t underestimate how desperate the DNC is. The more intense speculation is that it would be a Clinton-Bloomberg ticket (in that order) but this all remains to be seen. We should check back with each other after this is all done. If nothing else we can have a good laugh.

    Perhaps Steve should set up a straw poll to see what his readers think.

  94. I’m not sure any former or outgoing president has formally intervened in that way bar Bilge Clinton, which was a special case.

  95. @Jack D
    Your ACTUAL money? Because I would be more than willing to take the other side of that bet. No one (other than Hillary herself) has any appetite for a Hillary rematch. Nothing says "proven loser" like an actual proven loser. And Moochelle has too nice a life to want a job with real responsibilities. And the Bernie Bros would indeed retreat to their basements and avoid the polling booths, thereby taking what little chance Hillary had with them (and the Dems know this).


    Jason y's theory that if it can't be Bernie at a brokered convention it at least has to be someone acceptable to Bernie (e.g. Warren) makes the most sense. Warren would (her whole fake Indian thing notwithstanding - the MSM has memory holed it) indeed be perhaps the most formidable threat to Trump at this point, so pray that the Dems don't figure this out.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    If America is to be ruled by evil socialists you want them to at least be incompetent evil socialists. When it comes to socialists, the more competent they are, the more lasting damage that they do.
  96. @Corn
    “If there were a Negro or mulatto running on the Democrat side, Obama would automatically endorse him, but there isn’t.”

    Then why didn’t he endorse Cory Booker or Deval Patrick early on?

    Or Kamala Harris.

    They didn’t have a chance and everyone knew it.

  97. @Muggles
    >>This is a lie and to mention von Braun and Rudolph’s role in the American space program without mentioning their deep involvement in the criminal Nazi regime is also a lie. The cure for lies is not more lies.<<

    So, no Kobe Bryant standard for them? Pure adulation and no - ahem - mention of past and very expensive indiscretions? But no one gave huge public memorial services for the two ex Nazi, now NASA scientists.

    How sad that standards never seem to change. .

    One evening, Bryant committed an, ahem, indiscretion with a female who dropped the charges after receiving a very generous settlement. And it was mentioned in the publicity surrounding his death.

    Around 20,000 lice ridden starving humans died at Mittelbau-Dora concentration camp, after being held for years (or as long as they lasted – the weak would only last a few weeks) in unimaginably brutal conditions and on a starvation diet. These prisoners were the workforce who built the rockets designed by von Braun and Rudolph (and they knew it).

    It’s not quite the same thing.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    >>And it was mentioned in the publicity surrounding his death.<<

    Not to quibble but,

    A. I didn't say that "it was the same thing" as you imply. No, just similar in that two different kinds of bad things happened. One personally by Bryant and quite personally horrible for his victim. The other was these two men being part of a much larger organization which did many more horrible things to many more people. But neither of the NASA Germans were accused of personally harming anyone. Nor did they, one might argue, have much choice in the matter. How much free choice did they effectively have at the time? I'm not saying that they bear no indirect guilt. But aside from the possible value of their work, they were no more guilty than the millions of other German soldiers/workers who were forced to work for WWII German war effort.

    B. Bryant's rape "incident" was not mentioned in most of the publicity surrounding his death. Only in longer print form was that even ever so delicately brought up as an "alleged" crime for which he "was not ultimately charged." Black journalist Gayle King was savagely attacked by nearly one and all (particularly by black entertainers/rappers and followers) for even asking someone else a question about that being part of his "legacy." Some later apologized, but you get the idea. No one was attacked for (in obits) noting the German rocketeers' involvement in the V-2 programs. That was mentioned everywhere in obits I recall reading. And should have been.

    But a double standard at work on noting the sins of the newly dead. Different people, different sins.
  98. @Steve Sailer
    Mrs. Johnson was the best of the computer ladies and wound up doing some moderately sophisticated stuff.

    A life well led. RIP.

    Fair enough and I apologize if I underestimated Mrs. Johnson’s contributions. The problem with the past hyperbole regarding these women, e.g., the book and movie, “Hidden Figures” is that it engenders in me the very natural response that every word the NYT publishes regarding every one of them is SJW, virtue-signalling, meretricious malarkey.

  99. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1232707074099994624

    If America is to be ruled by evil socialists you want them to at least be incompetent evil socialists. When it comes to socialists, the more competent they are, the more lasting damage that they do.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  100. @Jack D
    One evening, Bryant committed an, ahem, indiscretion with a female who dropped the charges after receiving a very generous settlement. And it was mentioned in the publicity surrounding his death.

    Around 20,000 lice ridden starving humans died at Mittelbau-Dora concentration camp, after being held for years (or as long as they lasted - the weak would only last a few weeks) in unimaginably brutal conditions and on a starvation diet. These prisoners were the workforce who built the rockets designed by von Braun and Rudolph (and they knew it).

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Nordhausenmassgrave.jpg

    It's not quite the same thing.

    >>And it was mentioned in the publicity surrounding his death.<<

    Not to quibble but,

    A. I didn't say that "it was the same thing" as you imply. No, just similar in that two different kinds of bad things happened. One personally by Bryant and quite personally horrible for his victim. The other was these two men being part of a much larger organization which did many more horrible things to many more people. But neither of the NASA Germans were accused of personally harming anyone. Nor did they, one might argue, have much choice in the matter. How much free choice did they effectively have at the time? I'm not saying that they bear no indirect guilt. But aside from the possible value of their work, they were no more guilty than the millions of other German soldiers/workers who were forced to work for WWII German war effort.

    B. Bryant's rape "incident" was not mentioned in most of the publicity surrounding his death. Only in longer print form was that even ever so delicately brought up as an "alleged" crime for which he "was not ultimately charged." Black journalist Gayle King was savagely attacked by nearly one and all (particularly by black entertainers/rappers and followers) for even asking someone else a question about that being part of his "legacy." Some later apologized, but you get the idea. No one was attacked for (in obits) noting the German rocketeers' involvement in the V-2 programs. That was mentioned everywhere in obits I recall reading. And should have been.

    But a double standard at work on noting the sins of the newly dead. Different people, different sins.

  101. @Buck Ransom
    If it comes down to Barry forced to choose between Buttigieg and Biden, he will proclaim
    "Vote for the Anal, Not for the Banal."

    “Vote for the Anal, Not for the Banal.”

    That’s good. I assume it was inspired by the infamous Vote for Cuomo, Not the Homo! slogan that emerged, unattributed, during New York’s gubernatorial race between the late Mario Cuomo (current-governor Andrew’s father, who was dubbed The Sfaccim by the late radio legend Bob Grant) and the late Mayor Ed Koch.

    As for Obama, even if there is anything to the Bathouse Barry rumors, if the former President (whose public image would appear to very much include his role as a husband and father) has managed to stay on the down-low for this long, I doubt he’s about to do anything to risk losing respectability among the brothas anytime soon.

    My own perennial campaign against the depravity and public health scourge of buggery (that unnatural act that misuses what is clearly– anatomically as well as physiologically– an exit-only bodily structure as if it were a sexual organ) includes a slogan that I paraphrased from Jesse Jackson’s exhortation against electing George W. Bush as President:
    Stay out of the Bushes feces!

    In the same vein, Give a hoot, don’t booty-loot!, and Be a lover, don’t bugger!, are two slogans that I coined.

    Some may wonder: If one categorically condemns the act of buggery, as I clearly do, where does that leave those males who find themselves afflicted with finding erotic appeal exclusively in other males?

    [MORE]
    I have addressed this question in some detail in a number of past comments that I have posted. (See links below.) Here, I will summarize what I maintain is the essential proper, ethical, humane and compassionate response to such individuals.

    The following three options, in order of preference, should be strongly encouraged: (1) attempt to re-orient toward normative heterosexuality; (2) celibacy; (3) Restrict sexual activity to non-penetrative, non-brutal forms (such as FROT and intercrural) that are far safer than buggery.

    Concerning the first option, we must be honest in acknowledging that such a process is likely to be a long and difficult one, with no guarantee of success. No less necessary is that we be honest about what is no less a truth, however unpopular it may be to acknowledge, and however difficult it may be to hear and accept: No homosexual relationship can provide the fulfillment that a wholesome heterosexual one can. This would include being completely honest about the hideous realities of the typical homosexual lifestyle, including those of the dangerous acts of buggery (ano-rectal penetration) and anilingus.

    In cases where an individual is either unable or unwilling to remain within the constraints that any wholesome heterosexuality demands, then celibacy should be encouraged as the least bad alternative. For those unwilling or unable to abide by the admittedly formidable constraints of celibacy, non-penetrative forms of homosexual intercourse should be presented and encouraged. Such alternatives, which include FROT (phallus-on-phallus) and intercrural (thrusting between the thighs), are not only far safer but also completely painless, far cleaner, less degrading and more egalitarian than buggery, anilingus and even fellatio.

    For those interested in reading more on this and related topics, I recommend the following links as a starting point:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/w-h-o-the-greatest-enemy-we-face-is-not-the-virus-itself-its-the-stigma-that-turns-us-against-each-other/#comment-3734147

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/removing-politics-from-politics/#comment-3573990
    and my subsequent posts in that thread.

  102. @Dr. X

    Which Dem Will Obama Endorse?
     
    It really doesn't matter. Obama is a self-absorbed racial narcissist, not a "Democrat." The party used him, and he used them. He has no loyalties other than himself and the black race.

    If there were a Negro or mulatto running on the Democrat side, Obama would automatically endorse him, but there isn't.

    I'm sure that Obama is on board with most of Sanders's agenda, but he's not very fond of Jews. I'd say that Obama would identify most closely with Buttigieg, but he knows that Anal Pete ain't gonna get the nomination and ain't gonna get elected president.

    Obama will probably wait until after the convention chooses a nominee, and then give that person a tepid endorsement.

    I’m sure that Obama is on board with most of Sanders’s agenda, but he’s not very fond of Jews.

    On what do you base the latter assertion?

    The former President may be a lot of things but I’ve never sensed that he had any problem with Jews. I might add that I’ve also never been convinced that the man personally harbored any true animosity toward Whites. The anti-White sentiment that Obama has expressed and advanced comes across as cynically self-serving. (The “It’s strictly business” line from The Godfather comes to mind here.)

    What about Al Sharpton, Louis Farrahkan, Jeremiah Wright, you ask? No question, Barack Obama has had extensive and by all appearances at least, quite friendly relationships with all three of those odious figures. (And any number of others of similarly dubious character as well.) But I’ve always viewed such relationships of the former President’s as little more than business ones; ones that were simply expedient for his personal political and social goals.

    In the same vein, my reaction to the whole question of whether Obama was at heart really a Muslim or a Christian as he claimed to be, was that I would be rather surprised if he were actually either. Much like his successor, Obama seems to be someone with few core convictions.

    • Replies: @Dissident

    What about Al Sharpton, Louis Farrahkan, Jeremiah Wright, you ask? No question, Barack Obama has had extensive and by all appearances at least, quite friendly relationships with all three of those odious figures.
     
    NOTE: While I stand-by my above statement in so far as Sharpton and Wright are concerned, I realized that I am not sure it is quite accurate regarding Farrakhan. As many here are no doubt aware, evidence emerged last year showing that Obama's ties to Farrakhan were clearly more than the former President had ever publicly let on. But I do not know that the characterization I had used of an "extensive and by all appearances at least, quite friendly relationship" would accurately apply.
  103. @Dissident

    I’m sure that Obama is on board with most of Sanders’s agenda, but he’s not very fond of Jews.
     
    On what do you base the latter assertion?

    The former President may be a lot of things but I've never sensed that he had any problem with Jews. I might add that I've also never been convinced that the man personally harbored any true animosity toward Whites. The anti-White sentiment that Obama has expressed and advanced comes across as cynically self-serving. (The "It's strictly business" line from The Godfather comes to mind here.)

    What about Al Sharpton, Louis Farrahkan, Jeremiah Wright, you ask? No question, Barack Obama has had extensive and by all appearances at least, quite friendly relationships with all three of those odious figures. (And any number of others of similarly dubious character as well.) But I've always viewed such relationships of the former President's as little more than business ones; ones that were simply expedient for his personal political and social goals.

    In the same vein, my reaction to the whole question of whether Obama was at heart really a Muslim or a Christian as he claimed to be, was that I would be rather surprised if he were actually either. Much like his successor, Obama seems to be someone with few core convictions.

    What about Al Sharpton, Louis Farrahkan, Jeremiah Wright, you ask? No question, Barack Obama has had extensive and by all appearances at least, quite friendly relationships with all three of those odious figures.

    NOTE: While I stand-by my above statement in so far as Sharpton and Wright are concerned, I realized that I am not sure it is quite accurate regarding Farrakhan. As many here are no doubt aware, evidence emerged last year showing that Obama’s ties to Farrakhan were clearly more than the former President had ever publicly let on. But I do not know that the characterization I had used of an “extensive and by all appearances at least, quite friendly relationship” would accurately apply.

  104. @Jack D
    BLM was quite popular. If most blacks are not gang-bangers/drug-dealers, they have sons who are or cousins who are, etc. and they don't want the POlice bothering them. Or else they have sons who are not gang bangers but whose fashion choices resemble them so that they are subject to being hassled by the cops anyway. This is true even of blacks who themselves have climbed far out of the ghetto. Even Obama said that Trayvon could have been his son.

    Blacks are more worried about whites preying on their sons than they are about gang bangers preying on them. This is the nature of racial politics. Thousands of blacks can kill each other every year - that's a black thang and none of your business. But let one "White Hispanic" touch a hair on the head of a precious black youth and it's time for a riot.

    Obama said that Trayvon could have been his son.

    I wonder if he would say Trayvon could have dated his daughter.

  105. @Prof. Woland
    My money is on a brokered convention where Hillary Clinton emerges as the Presidential nominee. If I had to double down, my guess is that Michelle Obama would be the VP. That would Unite the Clinton's and Obama's and get (((Bloomberg's))) money and the other usual financial backers to contribute. The only loose piece of the puzzle would be the Bern Bros. who haven't figured out by now that they will never have real power and they have no future in the Democratic party; not that they ever did. They would be free to drift back to their Mother's basements and play video games.

    I think the Dems have had their fill of Hillary, no matter how desperate they may become. In any case, the Bernie Bros may go back to their basements, but not before throwing all their toys out of the pram: it’ll be Chicago ’68 all over again.

    They were angry enough that they were shafted by the DNC last time; but coming this close to success only to have it snatched away by scheming Establishment types will goad them to white-hot rage. The Antifa violence in Berkeley, Charlotte, and elsewhere is but a foretaste of that.

  106. @Jus' Sayin'...
    "...Wielding little more than a pencil, a slide rule and [the aforementioned finest mind], Mrs. Johnson… calculated the precise trajectories..."

    Many of the photos I saw had a Frieden electro-mechanical calculator front and center on her desk. This is a sign (dog whistle???) to anyone familiar with the times that this woman was the NASA equivalent of the female high school grads who "computed" artillery trajectories during WW II.

    These women - and I'd bet Mrs. Johnson and her fellow NASA computers - were a few steps above data entry clerks. The engineers in charge would break algorithms down into a series of steps and assign each woman on the human, computer assembly line a step, written out as a series of instructions for doing calculations. Each woman would then receive a set of numbers, perform the calculations as described in the instructions she had been given, and pass the results on to the next woman on the assembly line.

    This is not mathematics and primarily requires average or better intelligence and the capacity to deal with endless tedium. My first assignment, as an actuarial trainee, was similar except that I determined which algorithm, out of hundreds in two telephone-directory-sized volumes, applied to each case I was given. I then performed all the required calculations, and finally passed the result to my supervisor. I lasted six months before the tedium drove me back to grad school where I eventually wrote a dissertation on some applications of interesting solutions of the Lotka-Volterra to contemporary demographic patterns in the US.

    When I was an undergraduate I worked in a high energy physics laboratory. Several young women, graduates of the local high school, worked there, using probes to track particle tracks on the enormously magnified bubble chamber photographs that were shipped in from Brookhaven every few weeks. The probes automatically typed path coordinates every micro-millimeter or so onto punch cards that were later analyzed by computer programs created at CERN and modified locally by me ( at a very elementary level) and other programmers who were both physicists and applied mathematicians. If the NYC were to describe these young women using the same standards they applied to Mrs. Johnson and her fellows, they would become "high energy physicists working on the cutting edge of contemporary research".

    That prog journalists deal with Negroes this way suggests an underlying, unconscious contempt for the race. That so many in the Negro community lap this bilge up suggests that some of that contempt may be deserved.

    Hidden Figures is a feature length illustration of a 4chan cartoon in which a white person hands a black person an object, saying “I made this,” the black person observes the object, and then the black person declares, “I made this.” Any story about the space program should be about struggle, the middle state (becoming not become), and ordinary hard-working teammates rather than about easy success bestowed by gods or top men. Black audiences have a weak appreciation for this sort of thing: observe how in rap videos material success is a timeless present quality. We have always lived in the mansion. Insofar as Johnson was actually not a joke, this movie still does her a grave disservice by misrepresenting her achievements and NASA culture.

  107. @Prof. Woland
    My money is on a brokered convention where Hillary Clinton emerges as the Presidential nominee. If I had to double down, my guess is that Michelle Obama would be the VP. That would Unite the Clinton's and Obama's and get (((Bloomberg's))) money and the other usual financial backers to contribute. The only loose piece of the puzzle would be the Bern Bros. who haven't figured out by now that they will never have real power and they have no future in the Democratic party; not that they ever did. They would be free to drift back to their Mother's basements and play video games.

    wrong!

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