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It’s worth looking back on the 2000 race for the GOP presidential nomination between George W. Bush and John McCain to try to puzzle out how they actually disagreed on the great issues of the 21st Century: intervention and immigration.

At the time, Bush said he was for a “humble” foreign policy (in contrast to McCain’s Alexandrine tendencies), but then he invaded Iraq. It’s unclear which Republican politician favored mass immigration more wholeheartedly.

My guess is that the MSM’s lamentations for Bush upon his death won’t be as over-the-top as for McCain, though, because Bush was a Republican winner, while McCain was the best kind of Republican: a loser.

 
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  1. McCain’s long, drawn-out terminal illness no doubt made his death more newsworthy. Everyone had been anticipating it for months.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @prosa123

    I wonder if he had a physician-assisted suicide, dying the day after they announced he’d stopped treatment.

    Replies: @Purpleslog, @Olorin

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @prosa123


    McCain’s long, drawn-out terminal illness no doubt made his death more newsworthy. Everyone had been anticipating it for months.
     
    Gives the papers time to stock their "morgue".

    How long does his mother have?
    , @anonymous
    @prosa123


    McCain’s long, drawn-out terminal illness no doubt made his death more newsworthy. Everyone had been anticipating it for months.
     
    BTW How’s Generalissimo Francisco Franco holding up?

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @prosa123

    McCain's long, drawn-out reign of terror had many anticipating his death for YEARS - before the diagnosis. The tumor should receive the Nobel in peace. Look at even Alexandria Occasional-Cortex slobbering all over the "great man's" kneecaps: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/08/thomas-woods/what-the-mccain-eulogies-tell-us-about-the-media-and-the-regime/ What else does one need to know about the "difference" between the "two" parties?

  2. Alexander led his troops. McCain didn’t become Consul McCain and lead the Afghan invasion.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Redneck farmer


    Alexander led his troops. McCain didn’t become Consul McCain and lead the Afghan invasion.
     
    Alexander led his troops because he had to. Generals had a way of going into business for themselves. Just ask the Roman Senate about what ensued a couple of years after the Gallic Wars. Heck - just examine any period of Roman history. This is principally why some of the best generals in many empires ended up either taking a chunk of land or the throne for themselves or in an early grave.
  3. They’ve still rehabilitated him after Trump won.

    It just disgust me how they can treat Bush like this after all the people he killed when Trump hadn’t killed anybody yet and half their flipping out over Trump was his determination to stay out of Syria.

    I am curious though, was this Ellen’s idea or were their a few producers or network people in there who wanted this? I can’t believe that Ellen’s ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ would be running that high that she’d invite an epically corrupt war criminal on her show.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Altai

    Dubya contributed quite a bit to our society's division. He said "you're either with us or against us" during the beginning of the Iraq War. I'm not sure Trump has said anything that divisive.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom, @Abe

    , @anon
    @Altai


    I can’t believe that Ellen’s ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ would be running that high that she’d invite an epically corrupt war criminal on her show.
     
    Ellen and the Hillary tribe are against war when Republican white males are in charge and for the wars at all other times. War and war crimes are an issue of convenience for them to bash white males with when possible. Wars prosecuted by black presidents and female secretaries of state are intoxicating and fun for these people. The Left are despicable hypocrites on all issues save one - hating white males. On that issue they stick to their principles.
    In the current climate hugging Bush serves the cause of hating Trump, so white male hate requires detente with Bush.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @ben tillman
    @Altai


    I am curious though, was this Ellen’s idea or were their a few producers or network people in there who wanted this? I can’t believe that Ellen’s ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ would be running that high that she’d invite an epically corrupt war criminal on her show.
     
    Leftisits love war criminals every bit as much as they love domestic terrorists.
  4. @prosa123
    McCain's long, drawn-out terminal illness no doubt made his death more newsworthy. Everyone had been anticipating it for months.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @Bard of Bumperstickers

    I wonder if he had a physician-assisted suicide, dying the day after they announced he’d stopped treatment.

    • Replies: @Purpleslog
    @Dave Pinsen

    You go pretty quick when all the meds you are on (along with food and water) are ended .

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Olorin
    @Dave Pinsen

    We were wondering the same thing. And just how much of a vegetable he was toward the end, and for how long. I.e., whether his terminus wasn't politically, rather than medically or humanely, designated...for its media content effects.

    I'm hearing some mourning from leftier quarters over McCain having partnered with Lib Manqué Russ Feingold on the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform act. My recollection is that Feingold was too independent-minded for the Dems in the '90s, as Drummond Pike, John Podesta, Stanley Greenberg, George Soros, Tom Steyer and others took the party over.

    The Progressive Movement is a front for rich Democrats
    http://archive.is/grSc5

    Feingold was the only US Senator to vote against the PATRIOT Act. But apart from that his independence was throttled back by the party and his political career truncated at the point where it might have been turned to bull moosery or whatever...had there been any models for political revival other than a harder turn left with more globalismo or even more money and wars and dead/broken bodies for Israel. So McCain is viewed as kinda the same, because of the finance reform act's hyphen...though he was absolutely not.

  5. That’s a long way off, what about his father?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @IHTG

    Yeah, Steve's really jumped the gun here. W looks great, he should be around for a long time yet.

    It's funny now to recall that in his day he was The Worst President in History. If we're ever so lucky as to get a President Chris Kobach, we'll see the press grow fond of Trump!

    Replies: @Desiderius

  6. @Dave Pinsen
    @prosa123

    I wonder if he had a physician-assisted suicide, dying the day after they announced he’d stopped treatment.

    Replies: @Purpleslog, @Olorin

    You go pretty quick when all the meds you are on (along with food and water) are ended .

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Purpleslog

    If he was competent enough to eschew treatment and dictate a statement the day before, it seems pretty quick. Alternatively, he was in much worse shape for longer, and his family made the decision based on an advanced directive.

    Or maybe he was near death a week ago and they didn’t want him overshadowed by Aretha.

  7. BobX [AKA "Bob who is of Bad White stock"] says:

    A loser that was often ready with a quote bad mouthing other republicans.

  8. There are three groups in danger of genocide today.

    1). Christians in the Middle East.

    2). The tiny Republic of Armenia sandwiched between hostile Turkey and Azerbaijan.

    3). Afrikaners.

    The only person who really passes the Anne Frank test is Putin – certainly not the MSM in the US.

    • Replies: @gate666
    @22pp22

    what exactly did putin do to help christians in the middle east.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @NickG
    @22pp22


    There are three groups in danger of genocide today.

    1). Christians in the Middle East.

    2). The tiny Republic of Armenia sandwiched between hostile Turkey and Azerbaijan.

    3). Afrikaners.
     

    Why do you suppose Afrikaners are at risk of genocide and not they other 40% of white South Africans?

    Or was it that you didn't know that Afrikaner and white South African are not synonymous?

    Replies: @22pp22

    , @Anonymous
    @22pp22

    Comrade, South Africa just doesn't have money for the nuclear reactor program. I thought Cyril explained this to your boss.

    Best you write-off the bribes you paid to Zuma and the Guptas-they knew this as well, and conned you.

  9. @Altai
    They've still rehabilitated him after Trump won.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKeFXs8a0Xk

    It just disgust me how they can treat Bush like this after all the people he killed when Trump hadn't killed anybody yet and half their flipping out over Trump was his determination to stay out of Syria.

    I am curious though, was this Ellen's idea or were their a few producers or network people in there who wanted this? I can't believe that Ellen's 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' would be running that high that she'd invite an epically corrupt war criminal on her show.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @anon, @ben tillman

    Dubya contributed quite a bit to our society’s division. He said “you’re either with us or against us” during the beginning of the Iraq War. I’m not sure Trump has said anything that divisive.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    @AndrewR

    That was addressed to other nations and was said in the aftermath of 9/11 it had nothing to do with the Iraq War. Why is it that paleocons even when they are right about an issue can’t resist lying and obsfucating.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @AndrewR, @Art Deco

    , @Abe
    @AndrewR


    He said “you’re either with us or against us” during the beginning of the Iraq War.
     
    And Lucas put those words into the mouth of young Darth Vader in STAR WARS III. Bush hatred was so unhinged by the end that it contaminated McCain by proxy. A sight-gag in FAMILY GUY around that time had a real Nazi anachronistically wearing a MCAIN-PALIN campaign button.

    Replies: @Polynikes

  10. Dubya has a 61% favourability rating with Americans.

    Most of Bush’s climb back to popularity came from Democrats and independents. His favorability mark among Democrats has soared from only 11% in February 2009 to a majority 54% now.

    CNN

    At this rate he could be the Democratic nominee in 2020.

    • Replies: @Gunner
    @Matra

    Dims can only hate one Republican President at a time.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  11. They can be very magnanimous towards the permanent, loyal ‘opposition.’ But while there is still some opposition to intervention in the Democrat party, skepticism about immigration is as dead as the unions.

    More than GWB, their response to Bob Dole’s passing on will be worth noting. A real war hero, a gentleman, but he said some nice thing about Trump so we won’t see anything like MSNBC’s combination crocodile tears/gloatfest.

    Have they talked about the woman/hispanic/Muslima/tranny who ‘might’ now take his seat yet?

    • Replies: @Noah172
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    You beat me to it. Dole will go before GWB, pretty soon, too. "Liked Drumpf, so ____ him. Hey, look, Omarosa..."

    Also, with GHWB, who is not long for this world, wanna bet the coverage will be heavy on his #NeverTrumpism, and #MeToo groping allegations, and light on everything historic and interesting?

  12. @AndrewR
    @Altai

    Dubya contributed quite a bit to our society's division. He said "you're either with us or against us" during the beginning of the Iraq War. I'm not sure Trump has said anything that divisive.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom, @Abe

    That was addressed to other nations and was said in the aftermath of 9/11 it had nothing to do with the Iraq War. Why is it that paleocons even when they are right about an issue can’t resist lying and obsfucating.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Sam Haysom


    That was addressed to other nations and was said in the aftermath of 9/11 it had nothing to do with the Iraq War.
     
    Unless you want to count the PNAC paper or some other antecedent, 9/11 was the beginning of the Iraq war.
    , @AndrewR
    @Sam Haysom

    The first time he said it, I was out of the country and not paying much attention to US politics. I distinctly recall hearing it in 2003. Maybe it was a replay of his initial comments. Sue me.

    , @Art Deco
    @Sam Haysom

    Why is it that paleocons even when they are right about an issue can’t resist lying and obsfucating.

    Because trash talk is the whole point. They don't actually have any ideas about how to run anything.

  13. W is already being rehabilitated, via pieces like this, that tout his “fondness” for Michelle Obama:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/02/politics/george-bush-michelle-obama-friends/index.html

    Black Twitter is also full of memes, mostly posted by purported black females, of W gazing at Michelle – he WAS President after all.

    The one thing that can sacrilize the impure is the love of a perfect Christ-figure – like Michelle.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @SonOfStrom

    But the impure white man must lust in his heart after Hot Black Jesusette.

    Replies: @SonOfStrom

    , @Abe
    @SonOfStrom

    There was much speculation at the time about the nature of Dumbya and Condi Rice’s special relationship (Condi may have been hyped, but her IQ is probably 2o points higher than Michelle’s; heck, it is probably at least 10 points higher than post-cocaine Dumbya’s). And of course uber-neocon Martin Peretz was giddy at the prospect from his corner at THE NEW REPUBLIC).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ibound1

    , @Alec Leamas
    @SonOfStrom

    It's a strange phenomenon.

    The public Barack Obama seems almost preternaturally devoid of appetites. His public persona is asexual. I wonder if this is why the W and Michelle meme seems to work - it's sort of presumed that Barack and Michelle don't have a functioning sexual relationship.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  14. I’m generally more bullish about this country than most but when you compare the differing media responses to Duke Cunningham (an infinitely more accomplished pilot that McCain who didn’t get captured) to that of McCain it is kind of depressing to see how different the outcomes for two bribe taking Vietnam pilots.

    • Replies: @middle aged vet . . . .
    @Sam Haysom

    Sam Haysom, I agree with your sentiment, but you are just figuring this out now? Government Employee of the Month MacArthur treated homeless vets, during the Depression, pretty badly, even though he had to know in his heart of hearts that many of them were braver men than himself. Dugout Doug, he was later called. I guess we are lucky that he is not on on our coinage.

    In the next generation, the little fellow whose only claim to success in life was being the only son of President Kennedy was given a quasi-military honorable funeral at sea, although he had not served a day in uniform. Meanwhile, veterans who were shot at hundreds of times, who suffered from tropical and desert sicknesses, are regularly told that the waiting lists at the military cemeteries near their homes are too long, and that they will just have to hit the road after they die to get buried with military honors in a military cemetery (JFK Jr got a send-off from a special ship, the average vet is lucky to get a tape recording of taps).

    Yes this country could have treated Duke Cunningham with respect and gratitude and understanding. Some government employees decided it was not worth their time to treat him with respect and gratitude and understanding. You should be angry about that. I know I am.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Simply Simon
    @Sam Haysom

    Randy "Duke" Cunningham, a Navy ace, was a true fighter pilot in that he flew the F4-B Phantom which was designed to be an enemy interceptor armed with heat-seeking and radar guided missiles. McCain flew the A-4, a small single-seat, single-engine jet used by the Navy primarily as a fighter-bomber with the emphasis on bomber. I suspect Cunningham was a rounder who probably had great time at the Tailhook parties in Vegas. Unfortunately, after becoming a congressman fame and greed got the best of him and he did some crazy things he had to know were going to eventually get him in trouble. McCain had equal fame but was able to squirm out of misdeeds such as the Keating Five.

  15. @SonOfStrom
    W is already being rehabilitated, via pieces like this, that tout his “fondness” for Michelle Obama:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/02/politics/george-bush-michelle-obama-friends/index.html

    Black Twitter is also full of memes, mostly posted by purported black females, of W gazing at Michelle - he WAS President after all.

    The one thing that can sacrilize the impure is the love of a perfect Christ-figure - like Michelle.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Abe, @Alec Leamas

    But the impure white man must lust in his heart after Hot Black Jesusette.

    • LOL: Carol
    • Replies: @SonOfStrom
    @Steve Sailer

    And of course they DO, right? Isn’t that what the Bewitched reboot is telling us?

    I mean, Serena got her a billionaire:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vogue.com/article/alexis-ohanian-serena-williams-best-husband-ever/amp

    Meghan got her a Prince:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/amp22830482/meghan-markle-won-over-prince-george-and-princess-charlotte-with-her-cooking/

    SURELY it’s only a matter of time before white men begin swooning for Black Girl Magic at the same rates as say, black men go for Becky, right? Right? RIGHT?!?

    Replies: @Frank G, @CK

  16. @AndrewR
    @Altai

    Dubya contributed quite a bit to our society's division. He said "you're either with us or against us" during the beginning of the Iraq War. I'm not sure Trump has said anything that divisive.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom, @Abe

    He said “you’re either with us or against us” during the beginning of the Iraq War.

    And Lucas put those words into the mouth of young Darth Vader in STAR WARS III. Bush hatred was so unhinged by the end that it contaminated McCain by proxy. A sight-gag in FAMILY GUY around that time had a real Nazi anachronistically wearing a MCAIN-PALIN campaign button.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @Abe

    Let's not forget that Bush was "literally Hitler" before Trump was. The left's emotions have never been stable.

  17. @SonOfStrom
    W is already being rehabilitated, via pieces like this, that tout his “fondness” for Michelle Obama:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/02/politics/george-bush-michelle-obama-friends/index.html

    Black Twitter is also full of memes, mostly posted by purported black females, of W gazing at Michelle - he WAS President after all.

    The one thing that can sacrilize the impure is the love of a perfect Christ-figure - like Michelle.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Abe, @Alec Leamas

    There was much speculation at the time about the nature of Dumbya and Condi Rice’s special relationship (Condi may have been hyped, but her IQ is probably 2o points higher than Michelle’s; heck, it is probably at least 10 points higher than post-cocaine Dumbya’s). And of course uber-neocon Martin Peretz was giddy at the prospect from his corner at THE NEW REPUBLIC).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Abe

    The only semi-sexually themed story I remember about C. Rice was that after joining the W White House she had asked a black female local "Scandal"-type of personage -- i.e. not a Vulcan, nor one of Rove's Texan traveling circus -- to recruit a high-IQ boyfriend for her and the main criterion was that he had to be black. This deputy love-doctor had her work cut out for her, of course, since Rice had already spent her career at one of the few trace habitats of such specimens in elite West Coast academia and, sad to say, that was evidently a wash romantically. I think her only connection to W was that they could watch sports together -- most women less painfully exotic (and picky) than Condi can afford to declare their boredom with that

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Ibound1
    @Abe

    Condi - she was the genius who said about Iraq: “There’s still a tendency to see these things in Sunni-Shia terms. But the Middle East is going to have to overcome that.”

    Miracles on demand! Let’s go to war based on that deep wisdom.

    And she was the smart one in the Bush administration? We were governed by complete idiots.

  18. Two wars,
    Two recessions,
    Complete breakdown of the banking system,
    Ignored threats of bin Laden before 9/11
    Massive deficits,
    Massive immigration by illegal aliens…

    What’s not to like about W?

    To be fair, I have a fairly high regard for Laura Bush. I just question her taste in men.

    When liberal friends and family here in Madison WI talk about Trump as the worst president ever, I always point out W’s record.

    Speaking as a liberal and no lover of Trump, I can honestly say thoughtful liberals are NOT clamoring for Trump’s impeachment. One word: Pence.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Paleo Liberal

    If you want to defuse talk of impeachment, just mention Trump is an anti abortion Christian.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Paleo Liberal


    Two wars,
    Two recessions,
    Complete breakdown of the banking system,
    Ignored threats of bin Laden before 9/11
    Massive deficits,
    Massive immigration by illegal aliens…
     
    Don't leave out "Islam is a peaceful religion."

    Of course, the real scandal there is the silence of the opposition thereto.

    When a pitcher throws a slow, fat pitch, it's suspicious. When the batter refuses to take advantage of it, that's really suspicious.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Desiderius
    @Paleo Liberal

    “To be fair, I have a fairly high regard for Laura Bush. I just question her taste in men.”

    As with Wilson, The Bush Administration post-Katrina was the Laura Bush Administration.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  19. I hope by the time George W. Bush passes, Americans will have finally got off their butts and learned to get the news from sources that don’t lie to them everyday. The Lyin’ Press may be all broken up, or they may not, but it won’t mean a hill of beans to us.

  20. Less about winners or losers, but GWB never had a very good relationship with the press. Even in the 2000 primaries, McCain was the press’ clear favorite.

  21. Leftists arguably hated Bush’s underlings more than him – guys like Dick “Darth Vader” Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft. They were pure evil while Bush was mostly just a dumb cowboy.

    Eventually, Bush will probably be treated as a simple but well-meaning guy, his “family values don’t stop at the Rio Grande” type statements will be rehashed, while the blame for the “bad stuff” will be shifted elsewhere.

  22. It’s unclear which Republican politician favored mass immigration more wholeheartedly.

    Didn’t McCain call to “Build the dang fence!”?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    Actually didn't he say, "Americans won't pick lettuce for 50 dollars an hour!"?

  23. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe
    @SonOfStrom

    There was much speculation at the time about the nature of Dumbya and Condi Rice’s special relationship (Condi may have been hyped, but her IQ is probably 2o points higher than Michelle’s; heck, it is probably at least 10 points higher than post-cocaine Dumbya’s). And of course uber-neocon Martin Peretz was giddy at the prospect from his corner at THE NEW REPUBLIC).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ibound1

    The only semi-sexually themed story I remember about C. Rice was that after joining the W White House she had asked a black female local “Scandal”-type of personage — i.e. not a Vulcan, nor one of Rove’s Texan traveling circus — to recruit a high-IQ boyfriend for her and the main criterion was that he had to be black. This deputy love-doctor had her work cut out for her, of course, since Rice had already spent her career at one of the few trace habitats of such specimens in elite West Coast academia and, sad to say, that was evidently a wash romantically. I think her only connection to W was that they could watch sports together — most women less painfully exotic (and picky) than Condi can afford to declare their boredom with that

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Condi is a dedicated golfer, a member of both Cypress Point and Augusta National.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Redneck farmer

  24. Face it Steve. W and HW were rehabbed by their pro-illegal stances and of course Bill Clinton was part of their ex-President golf group, letting Bill in cemented their media rehabilitation. Wasn’t it cute seeing them all together at fundraisers and charities? Of course, they all hated and were victims of Trump, another element of recent rehabilitation, especially W and JEB. All of them, however, can kiss my ass because McCain and Bush, all of the Bushes, could have been effective gatekeepers in Texas and Arizona but instead, waved a welcome flag toward Mexico worthy of Bill Clinton. The bullshit wars one after the other-and-ongoing, no Congressional votes necessary, they hardly mean anything at all.

    All I know is, without exception, Republicans are depicted in media as evil, Nazi-racist-sexist for the time they’re running against a Democrat or hold the White House. In Reagan’s case, he was painted as a psychopathic Nuke-Lobber and anti-homo AIDS lover. Nixon? McCain? The Bushes? In the end, they all are accorded the respect due elder statesmen, once their day is past, their possibilities for harm to Democrats gone. But the media will desperately gotcha and lie and flood our attention span to support the Democrat no matter what. The Republicans, savaged so, forgive media without exception for such slander.

    Strange how reputations and public affection are SO governed by interested media. If one more of my friends or neighbors tells me what a wonderful Veteran/Senator/War Hero McCain was, I’m gonna puke. McCain was one disloyal tool. HW Bush was a war hero, not McCain. McCain represents the single-greatest media coverup of our time. He was a useful idiot. Very.

  25. Yea, McCain’s Bipartisanism meant losing graciously to the cool black guy.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @JohnnyD


    Yea, McCain’s Bipartisanism meant losing graciously to the cool black guy.
     
    Well said.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyD

    McCain lost mostly because Wall Street collapsed in September of 2008, which the public blamed on Bush and the Republicans. If not for that, McCain might've won. He was even in the polls before the financial crisis.

    He was pretty aggressive about campaigning in the days before the election, even when everything seemed futile.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4o1X08L7a4

    Remember "Joe the Plumber"?

    McCain didn't voluntarily surrender to Obama. He was involuntarily defeated by the extreme ineptness of President Bush.

    Bush beat McCain in 2000 and 2008......... and McCain is now inviting Bush to give the euology at his funeral.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Alec Leamas, @JohnnyD

  26. @Anonymous
    @Abe

    The only semi-sexually themed story I remember about C. Rice was that after joining the W White House she had asked a black female local "Scandal"-type of personage -- i.e. not a Vulcan, nor one of Rove's Texan traveling circus -- to recruit a high-IQ boyfriend for her and the main criterion was that he had to be black. This deputy love-doctor had her work cut out for her, of course, since Rice had already spent her career at one of the few trace habitats of such specimens in elite West Coast academia and, sad to say, that was evidently a wash romantically. I think her only connection to W was that they could watch sports together -- most women less painfully exotic (and picky) than Condi can afford to declare their boredom with that

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Condi is a dedicated golfer, a member of both Cypress Point and Augusta National.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Steve Sailer

    Also, women who are bored with sports don't give interviews in which they say their ambition is to be NFL commissioner, as Condi did in '02.

    Replies: @njguy73

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Steve Sailer

    Centuries from now, historians will call Steve Sailer the man who figured out the importance of golf in 20th and 21st Century America.

  27. @Abe
    @SonOfStrom

    There was much speculation at the time about the nature of Dumbya and Condi Rice’s special relationship (Condi may have been hyped, but her IQ is probably 2o points higher than Michelle’s; heck, it is probably at least 10 points higher than post-cocaine Dumbya’s). And of course uber-neocon Martin Peretz was giddy at the prospect from his corner at THE NEW REPUBLIC).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ibound1

    Condi – she was the genius who said about Iraq: “There’s still a tendency to see these things in Sunni-Shia terms. But the Middle East is going to have to overcome that.”

    Miracles on demand! Let’s go to war based on that deep wisdom.

    And she was the smart one in the Bush administration? We were governed by complete idiots.

  28. McCain was the best kind of Republican: a loser.

    • Agree: ben tillman, Clyde
    • Replies: @academic gossip
    @slumber_j

    Trump's "Disloyal R's ... don't know how to win - I will teach them!" is the greatest tweet of all time.

    Replies: @slumber_j

  29. @Sam Haysom
    I’m generally more bullish about this country than most but when you compare the differing media responses to Duke Cunningham (an infinitely more accomplished pilot that McCain who didn’t get captured) to that of McCain it is kind of depressing to see how different the outcomes for two bribe taking Vietnam pilots.

    Replies: @middle aged vet . . . ., @Simply Simon

    Sam Haysom, I agree with your sentiment, but you are just figuring this out now? Government Employee of the Month MacArthur treated homeless vets, during the Depression, pretty badly, even though he had to know in his heart of hearts that many of them were braver men than himself. Dugout Doug, he was later called. I guess we are lucky that he is not on on our coinage.

    In the next generation, the little fellow whose only claim to success in life was being the only son of President Kennedy was given a quasi-military honorable funeral at sea, although he had not served a day in uniform. Meanwhile, veterans who were shot at hundreds of times, who suffered from tropical and desert sicknesses, are regularly told that the waiting lists at the military cemeteries near their homes are too long, and that they will just have to hit the road after they die to get buried with military honors in a military cemetery (JFK Jr got a send-off from a special ship, the average vet is lucky to get a tape recording of taps).

    Yes this country could have treated Duke Cunningham with respect and gratitude and understanding. Some government employees decided it was not worth their time to treat him with respect and gratitude and understanding. You should be angry about that. I know I am.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @middle aged vet . . . .


    In the next generation, the little fellow whose only claim to success in life was being the only son of President Kennedy was given a quasi-military honorable funeral at sea, although he had not served a day in uniform.
     
    I just thought it was pretty wasteful to spend American taxpayer money to pull his (and the other 2) body up and out of the Atlantic Ocean, only to push it back overboard a few days later. Why not just find the spot, cut the engines, and then throw a throwaway body down there, say Osama bin Laden's, to save the taxpayer a few pennies?
  30. I don’t know – the media really loved McCain in 2000, before he had lost anything and before anyone had ever heard of Barack Obama.

    • Replies: @prusmc
    @James Kabala

    Would the media romance of 2000 have continued if he not W had got the Republican nomination and ran against Al Gore?
    My guess is based on how the media turned on their pet Republican when he was the candidate in 2008 and the answer the media has an agenda and as much loyalty as a snake.

    , @e
    @James Kabala

    They didn't "love" him love him. They "liked" him loved him. John McCain was good for a story, good for a quote. He rarely saw a "journalist" or a camera he shied away from and he understood that a "good" quote had to be mavericky. What's not to like when your editor has told you to get something interesting or you're coming up on deadline?

  31. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    The real chutzpah singularity was a few months into 2009 when both normal-partisan airhead Democrats and sophisticated progressives united to decry any minor ructions of lese majeste against Preezy, from political pundits down to rodeo clowns, as catastrophic 4th Reich/New KKK, Not Who We Are, Failing the Anne Frank Test, etc. For anyone who wasn’t in a coma for the previous 8 years of assassination jokes and rioting meet-ups, this sudden stand on ceremony had to seem pretty rich. This made me suspect a neuro defect among baizuo, apparently oblivious as a cognitive function to the Bush-Obama continuity of two guys in the same temporary job, instead of representing some categorical distinction between the interloping rube goblin vs. the holy half-black redeemer. The endless Obamass-kissing had a lot to do with Trump’s success

  32. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Condi is a dedicated golfer, a member of both Cypress Point and Augusta National.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Redneck farmer

    Also, women who are bored with sports don’t give interviews in which they say their ambition is to be NFL commissioner, as Condi did in ’02.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @kaganovitch


    Also, women who are bored with sports don’t give interviews in which they say their ambition is to be NFL commissioner, as Condi did in ’02.
     
    If only she did replace Tagliabue in 2007.

    Replies: @SonOfStrom, @kaganovitch

  33. Maybe.

    If Bush keeps popping up infrequently to criticize current Republican presidents over the next 20 years, he just might.

  34. anon[496] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    They've still rehabilitated him after Trump won.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKeFXs8a0Xk

    It just disgust me how they can treat Bush like this after all the people he killed when Trump hadn't killed anybody yet and half their flipping out over Trump was his determination to stay out of Syria.

    I am curious though, was this Ellen's idea or were their a few producers or network people in there who wanted this? I can't believe that Ellen's 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' would be running that high that she'd invite an epically corrupt war criminal on her show.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @anon, @ben tillman

    I can’t believe that Ellen’s ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ would be running that high that she’d invite an epically corrupt war criminal on her show.

    Ellen and the Hillary tribe are against war when Republican white males are in charge and for the wars at all other times. War and war crimes are an issue of convenience for them to bash white males with when possible. Wars prosecuted by black presidents and female secretaries of state are intoxicating and fun for these people. The Left are despicable hypocrites on all issues save one – hating white males. On that issue they stick to their principles.
    In the current climate hugging Bush serves the cause of hating Trump, so white male hate requires detente with Bush.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @anon

    Except that when the Iraq War was being sold back in 2002 and 2003, the Democrats and the "liberal media" sort of just rolled over.

    When the 2006 Lancet report found that over 650,000 Iraqis had been killed by the Iraq War, it was a very minor political issue. After a few days of arguing, the Democrats and "liberal media" basically sort of just forgot about the report and didn't bring it up again. In the years since, more reports have come out about casualties in Iraq, with one credible physician study finding over 1 million deaths. Nobody cares and the political/media class sort of just ignored news about the massive numbers of deaths, with the public also appearing totally indifferent to any talk of Iraqi casualties.

    Before the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq had an annual cancer incidence rate of 40 per 100,000.
    By 1995 (post-Gulf War), the cancer rate rose to 800 per 100,000. By 2005, rate rose to 1,600 per 100,000. That rate continues to increase. From 1991 through 2005, the Iraqi cancer rate increased by a factor of 40x.

    For comparison, America has an annual cancer incidence rate of 440 per 100,000. The lifetime risk of cancer is 38.5% in America. So if Iraq has 4x America's cancer rate, it just shows you how destructive the war has been even for non-killed Iraqis. Nobody in America cares about this.

    Before the Bush family's political conflict with Trump began in 2015, there were many opportunities for the Democrats and "media liberals" to criticize Bush over his legacy in Iraq. For some reason, they delivered only mild criticism and rarely ever brough up the human suffering that Bush created in that country.

    By the way, here's a movie called "American Sniper." It's about a Navy Seal named Chris Kyle. He apparently killed 160 people in Iraq, which he was extremely proud about. Despite being a White male who killed an enormous number of dark-skinned Iraqis, there was little criticism of how the movie glorified him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcthD64Srs

    The point is that at no point, has anyone ever been held accountable for Iraqi casualties. It's sort of just been ignored. Even before Trump arrived on the scene, Bush got off really easy.

    A White male authorized an extremely bloody and unneccessary war that killed 1 million Middle Easterners, with the political/media class and public giving a big yawn.

    Replies: @anon, @gcochran, @gcochran, @Pericles

  35. @Altai
    They've still rehabilitated him after Trump won.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKeFXs8a0Xk

    It just disgust me how they can treat Bush like this after all the people he killed when Trump hadn't killed anybody yet and half their flipping out over Trump was his determination to stay out of Syria.

    I am curious though, was this Ellen's idea or were their a few producers or network people in there who wanted this? I can't believe that Ellen's 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' would be running that high that she'd invite an epically corrupt war criminal on her show.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @anon, @ben tillman

    I am curious though, was this Ellen’s idea or were their a few producers or network people in there who wanted this? I can’t believe that Ellen’s ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ would be running that high that she’d invite an epically corrupt war criminal on her show.

    Leftisits love war criminals every bit as much as they love domestic terrorists.

  36. @JohnnyD
    Yea, McCain's Bipartisanism meant losing graciously to the cool black guy.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @JohnnyWalker123

    Yea, McCain’s Bipartisanism meant losing graciously to the cool black guy.

    Well said.

  37. @Sam Haysom
    @AndrewR

    That was addressed to other nations and was said in the aftermath of 9/11 it had nothing to do with the Iraq War. Why is it that paleocons even when they are right about an issue can’t resist lying and obsfucating.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @AndrewR, @Art Deco

    That was addressed to other nations and was said in the aftermath of 9/11 it had nothing to do with the Iraq War.

    Unless you want to count the PNAC paper or some other antecedent, 9/11 was the beginning of the Iraq war.

  38. @22pp22
    There are three groups in danger of genocide today.

    1). Christians in the Middle East.

    2). The tiny Republic of Armenia sandwiched between hostile Turkey and Azerbaijan.

    3). Afrikaners.

    The only person who really passes the Anne Frank test is Putin - certainly not the MSM in the US.

    Replies: @gate666, @NickG, @Anonymous

    what exactly did putin do to help christians in the middle east.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @gate666

    "what exactly did putin do to help christians in the middle east"

    Supported the government which protected them, and killed the people who were trying to kill them?

  39. @Matra
    Dubya has a 61% favourability rating with Americans.

    Most of Bush's climb back to popularity came from Democrats and independents. His favorability mark among Democrats has soared from only 11% in February 2009 to a majority 54% now.

    CNN

    At this rate he could be the Democratic nominee in 2020.

    Replies: @Gunner

    Dims can only hate one Republican President at a time.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Gunner


    Dims can only hate one Republican President at a time.

     

    Except that the "dim" voters who twice selected Bush as the Republican nominee and twice elected him President happened to be Republicans. Not Democrats.

    The "dim" voters who overwhelmingly backed the Iraq War were Republicans, while the Democrats were somewhat divided.
  40. He helped Assad defeat the people who wanted to annihilate them.

    Finding proof took me 30 seconds.

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2018/july-august/mideast-christians-see-russia-not-us-as-defender-of-their-f.html

  41. @Steve Sailer
    @SonOfStrom

    But the impure white man must lust in his heart after Hot Black Jesusette.

    Replies: @SonOfStrom

    And of course they DO, right? Isn’t that what the Bewitched reboot is telling us?

    I mean, Serena got her a billionaire:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vogue.com/article/alexis-ohanian-serena-williams-best-husband-ever/amp

    Meghan got her a Prince:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/amp22830482/meghan-markle-won-over-prince-george-and-princess-charlotte-with-her-cooking/

    SURELY it’s only a matter of time before white men begin swooning for Black Girl Magic at the same rates as say, black men go for Becky, right? Right? RIGHT?!?

    • LOL: Crew Cut Man
    • Replies: @Frank G
    @SonOfStrom

    Serena didn't marry the white boy because he's a billionaire, she married him because he's intelligent, a quality that she knows she sorely lacks.

    , @CK
    @SonOfStrom

    I think that commenter Tiny Duck is all for white men mating up with black women.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  42. @Purpleslog
    @Dave Pinsen

    You go pretty quick when all the meds you are on (along with food and water) are ended .

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    If he was competent enough to eschew treatment and dictate a statement the day before, it seems pretty quick. Alternatively, he was in much worse shape for longer, and his family made the decision based on an advanced directive.

    Or maybe he was near death a week ago and they didn’t want him overshadowed by Aretha.

  43. @middle aged vet . . . .
    @Sam Haysom

    Sam Haysom, I agree with your sentiment, but you are just figuring this out now? Government Employee of the Month MacArthur treated homeless vets, during the Depression, pretty badly, even though he had to know in his heart of hearts that many of them were braver men than himself. Dugout Doug, he was later called. I guess we are lucky that he is not on on our coinage.

    In the next generation, the little fellow whose only claim to success in life was being the only son of President Kennedy was given a quasi-military honorable funeral at sea, although he had not served a day in uniform. Meanwhile, veterans who were shot at hundreds of times, who suffered from tropical and desert sicknesses, are regularly told that the waiting lists at the military cemeteries near their homes are too long, and that they will just have to hit the road after they die to get buried with military honors in a military cemetery (JFK Jr got a send-off from a special ship, the average vet is lucky to get a tape recording of taps).

    Yes this country could have treated Duke Cunningham with respect and gratitude and understanding. Some government employees decided it was not worth their time to treat him with respect and gratitude and understanding. You should be angry about that. I know I am.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    In the next generation, the little fellow whose only claim to success in life was being the only son of President Kennedy was given a quasi-military honorable funeral at sea, although he had not served a day in uniform.

    I just thought it was pretty wasteful to spend American taxpayer money to pull his (and the other 2) body up and out of the Atlantic Ocean, only to push it back overboard a few days later. Why not just find the spot, cut the engines, and then throw a throwaway body down there, say Osama bin Laden’s, to save the taxpayer a few pennies?

  44. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    They can be very magnanimous towards the permanent, loyal 'opposition.' But while there is still some opposition to intervention in the Democrat party, skepticism about immigration is as dead as the unions.

    More than GWB, their response to Bob Dole's passing on will be worth noting. A real war hero, a gentleman, but he said some nice thing about Trump so we won't see anything like MSNBC's combination crocodile tears/gloatfest.

    Have they talked about the woman/hispanic/Muslima/tranny who 'might' now take his seat yet?

    Replies: @Noah172

    You beat me to it. Dole will go before GWB, pretty soon, too. “Liked Drumpf, so ____ him. Hey, look, Omarosa…”

    Also, with GHWB, who is not long for this world, wanna bet the coverage will be heavy on his #NeverTrumpism, and #MeToo groping allegations, and light on everything historic and interesting?

  45. @anon
    @Altai


    I can’t believe that Ellen’s ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ would be running that high that she’d invite an epically corrupt war criminal on her show.
     
    Ellen and the Hillary tribe are against war when Republican white males are in charge and for the wars at all other times. War and war crimes are an issue of convenience for them to bash white males with when possible. Wars prosecuted by black presidents and female secretaries of state are intoxicating and fun for these people. The Left are despicable hypocrites on all issues save one - hating white males. On that issue they stick to their principles.
    In the current climate hugging Bush serves the cause of hating Trump, so white male hate requires detente with Bush.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Except that when the Iraq War was being sold back in 2002 and 2003, the Democrats and the “liberal media” sort of just rolled over.

    When the 2006 Lancet report found that over 650,000 Iraqis had been killed by the Iraq War, it was a very minor political issue. After a few days of arguing, the Democrats and “liberal media” basically sort of just forgot about the report and didn’t bring it up again. In the years since, more reports have come out about casualties in Iraq, with one credible physician study finding over 1 million deaths. Nobody cares and the political/media class sort of just ignored news about the massive numbers of deaths, with the public also appearing totally indifferent to any talk of Iraqi casualties.

    Before the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq had an annual cancer incidence rate of 40 per 100,000.
    By 1995 (post-Gulf War), the cancer rate rose to 800 per 100,000. By 2005, rate rose to 1,600 per 100,000. That rate continues to increase. From 1991 through 2005, the Iraqi cancer rate increased by a factor of 40x.

    For comparison, America has an annual cancer incidence rate of 440 per 100,000. The lifetime risk of cancer is 38.5% in America. So if Iraq has 4x America’s cancer rate, it just shows you how destructive the war has been even for non-killed Iraqis. Nobody in America cares about this.

    Before the Bush family’s political conflict with Trump began in 2015, there were many opportunities for the Democrats and “media liberals” to criticize Bush over his legacy in Iraq. For some reason, they delivered only mild criticism and rarely ever brough up the human suffering that Bush created in that country.

    By the way, here’s a movie called “American Sniper.” It’s about a Navy Seal named Chris Kyle. He apparently killed 160 people in Iraq, which he was extremely proud about. Despite being a White male who killed an enormous number of dark-skinned Iraqis, there was little criticism of how the movie glorified him.

    The point is that at no point, has anyone ever been held accountable for Iraqi casualties. It’s sort of just been ignored. Even before Trump arrived on the scene, Bush got off really easy.

    A White male authorized an extremely bloody and unneccessary war that killed 1 million Middle Easterners, with the political/media class and public giving a big yawn.

    • Replies: @anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The war was actually orchestrated by the neoconservatives, who are pretty much all members of the tribe. The same tribe that largely controls the media. The one hand washes the other sport.

    , @gcochran
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "the Iraqi cancer rate increased by a factor of 40x. " never happened.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @gcochran
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Between 2006 and 2012, age standardized incidence of breast cancer in Iraq increased from 30 to 40/100,000 women with the increase specifically occurring in women ≥ 60 years old (P < 0.001). Breast cancers in Kurdish women ≥ 60 years old may also have increased (P = 0.047) with urban exceeding rural rates by 2:1. For both Kurdish and Arabic women, there was a marked predominance of luminal B tumors at all ages in which luminal B and luminal A tumors were asymmetric skewed toward older age but with no late luminal A age peak.

    Go to:
    Conclusions
    Older Iraqi women do not show the bimodal shift toward higher rates of luminal A breast cancers seen in the West. The modest increase in age standardized incidence of breast cancer in Iraqi is being seen specifically in older women and may be better attributed to a trend for care in urban cancer centers rather than changing tumor characteristics.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Pericles
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In 2003, Iraq had 25.6m inhabitants, today they have 39.3m (that's 53% more, and presumably excludes those who have swarmed into Europe etc). Not much of a genocide then.

    http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/iraq-population/

    If you're white, more wise to worry about your own people.

  46. anon[279] • Disclaimer says:

    It is shameful that Bush was so oblivious to the lessons of Vietnam. He was drunk/high when it was a current event. He did have the foresight to duck it. I guess that there is no ‘lesson’ — our military openly wants a rematch. My lesson is that if you don’t win in a timely fashion, at a plausible cost — you lose.

    Turns out everyone remembered Munich and forgot Vietnam ASAP.

    Bush was shockingly deferential to his advisers, only knowing he wanted a different outcome from daddy.

    We had a financial panic on his watch also.

    He makes Herbert Hoover look good.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @anon

    In his defense, Bush did realize war with Iran would have been a bad idea after Iraq.

  47. Before the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq had an annual cancer incidence rate of 40 per 100,000.
    By 1995 (post-Gulf War), the cancer rate rose to 800 per 100,000. By 2005, rate rose to 1,600 per 100,000. That rate continues to increase. From 1991 through 2005, the Iraqi cancer rate increased by a factor of 40x.

    You find these numbers remotely plausible? You think Iraq went from 1/10 the cancer rate of the USA to four times the cancer rate in 20 years?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @kaganovitch

    Yes.

    The multiple U.S. invasion of Iraq have unreleashed enormous amounts of pollutants. Our invasions have left behind hundreds of tons of depleted uranium munitions and other harmful subtances. It's very plausible that the country is suffering an abysmally high cancer rate.

    See more below.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2013/04/20134210243072524.html


    Official Iraqi government statistics show that, prior to the outbreak of the First Gulf War in 1991, the rate of cancer cases in Iraq was 40 out of 100,000 people. By 1995, it had increased to 800 out of 100,000 people, and, by 2005, it had doubled to at least 1,600 out of 100,000 people. Current estimates show the increasing trend continuing. Cancer rates and congenital birth malformations in Fallujah, attributed to what many doctors and scientists believe to be weapons used by the US military during two brutal sieges against the city in 2004, have been referenced as "the highest rate of genetic damage in any population ever studied. Birth defect incidence rates in Fallujah are approximately 14 times the rate in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki areas of Japan, where the US dropped nuclear bombs."

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNi_1pbSqGY

    You'll occasionally see a commercial asking Americans to donate to a pro-veterans charity. Never will you see a commercial asking Americans to donate to a charity assisting Iraqi civilians.

    There's a mysterious absence of "white guilt" with respect to Iraq.

    Replies: @anonymous, @kaganovitch

  48. @JohnnyD
    Yea, McCain's Bipartisanism meant losing graciously to the cool black guy.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @JohnnyWalker123

    McCain lost mostly because Wall Street collapsed in September of 2008, which the public blamed on Bush and the Republicans. If not for that, McCain might’ve won. He was even in the polls before the financial crisis.

    He was pretty aggressive about campaigning in the days before the election, even when everything seemed futile.

    Remember “Joe the Plumber”?

    McCain didn’t voluntarily surrender to Obama. He was involuntarily defeated by the extreme ineptness of President Bush.

    Bush beat McCain in 2000 and 2008……… and McCain is now inviting Bush to give the euology at his funeral.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Here's an interesting event that most people have forgotten.

    Back during the 1999/2000 Republican primary, Bush ran against McCain. When McCain became the front runner, the Bush campaign started a whisper campaign that McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child with a prostitute.

    The whisper campaign actually was very successful. This was because McCain did have a "black daughter" who was frequently brought on the campaign trail. Except that McCain's "black daughter" wasn't really African-American, she was a dark-skinned girl from Bangladesh.

    This whisper campaign resulted in McCain, who was the front runner at the time, losing South Carolina and the Republican nomination.

    Watch this video below. 0:15-1:20.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRoVDUFXGQA

    , @Alec Leamas
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I was a long time fan of McCain beginning in the 2000 primary when I first became politically aware, but my fandom sort of waned over time afterwards.

    My criticism of McCain is that he often saw political conflicts in terms of tests of him personally, in which only his personal honor or code of conduct was at stake - seemingly without realizing that the judges who measure these things tended to be people invested either in his defeat against the Democrat du jour or in use of McCain to hamstring a fellow Republican. In 2008, it wasn't only McCain's campaign - he was nominated by the votes of Millions of Republicans to zealously prosecute a campaign on their behalf for the purpose of enacting their policy preferences into law. Deciding that certain lines of attack would sully his honor - such as the perfectly legitimate question of whether candidate Obama trafficked in fringe race hatred in Rev. Wright's orbit (while himself being tarred as the perennial Republican racist) - was in my view quite selfish.

    Despite what you cite, he really did seem to think his job at the close of the 2008 campaign was to gracefully act as a midwife of the first black President.

    Someone on twitter put it quite well - people who didn't vote for McCain for President will now use his death as a cudgel against those who did. That's the tragedy of McCain as a political figure - he was only ever effective at frustrating the ends of the constituents he claimed to represent.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @JohnnyD
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I think the war in Iraq had something to do with his loss too. Obama promised not to start any more stupid wars, whereas McCain doubled down on the war in Iraq, and even talked about bombing Iran and confronting the Russians over Georgia.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  49. “Its unclear which Republican politician favored mass immigration more wholeheartedly.”

    Which of course makes no sense at all as the vast majority of these immigrants become voters for the Democrats. There is something really wrong with the Republican party.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @anon

    Many pro-Republican business interests (real estate speculators, contractors, growers) built their wealth by exploiting cheaply-paid migrant labor. They built their riches on the backs of desperate foreigners. Then they call themselves "job creators" and "rugged individualists."

    It's not surprising that they favor mass immigration.

  50. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyD

    McCain lost mostly because Wall Street collapsed in September of 2008, which the public blamed on Bush and the Republicans. If not for that, McCain might've won. He was even in the polls before the financial crisis.

    He was pretty aggressive about campaigning in the days before the election, even when everything seemed futile.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4o1X08L7a4

    Remember "Joe the Plumber"?

    McCain didn't voluntarily surrender to Obama. He was involuntarily defeated by the extreme ineptness of President Bush.

    Bush beat McCain in 2000 and 2008......... and McCain is now inviting Bush to give the euology at his funeral.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Alec Leamas, @JohnnyD

    Here’s an interesting event that most people have forgotten.

    Back during the 1999/2000 Republican primary, Bush ran against McCain. When McCain became the front runner, the Bush campaign started a whisper campaign that McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child with a prostitute.

    The whisper campaign actually was very successful. This was because McCain did have a “black daughter” who was frequently brought on the campaign trail. Except that McCain’s “black daughter” wasn’t really African-American, she was a dark-skinned girl from Bangladesh.

    This whisper campaign resulted in McCain, who was the front runner at the time, losing South Carolina and the Republican nomination.

    Watch this video below. 0:15-1:20.

  51. @Gunner
    @Matra

    Dims can only hate one Republican President at a time.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Dims can only hate one Republican President at a time.

    Except that the “dim” voters who twice selected Bush as the Republican nominee and twice elected him President happened to be Republicans. Not Democrats.

    The “dim” voters who overwhelmingly backed the Iraq War were Republicans, while the Democrats were somewhat divided.

  52. Media hated McCain in 2008.

    Theory of political relativity.

  53. @JohnnyWalker123
    @anon

    Except that when the Iraq War was being sold back in 2002 and 2003, the Democrats and the "liberal media" sort of just rolled over.

    When the 2006 Lancet report found that over 650,000 Iraqis had been killed by the Iraq War, it was a very minor political issue. After a few days of arguing, the Democrats and "liberal media" basically sort of just forgot about the report and didn't bring it up again. In the years since, more reports have come out about casualties in Iraq, with one credible physician study finding over 1 million deaths. Nobody cares and the political/media class sort of just ignored news about the massive numbers of deaths, with the public also appearing totally indifferent to any talk of Iraqi casualties.

    Before the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq had an annual cancer incidence rate of 40 per 100,000.
    By 1995 (post-Gulf War), the cancer rate rose to 800 per 100,000. By 2005, rate rose to 1,600 per 100,000. That rate continues to increase. From 1991 through 2005, the Iraqi cancer rate increased by a factor of 40x.

    For comparison, America has an annual cancer incidence rate of 440 per 100,000. The lifetime risk of cancer is 38.5% in America. So if Iraq has 4x America's cancer rate, it just shows you how destructive the war has been even for non-killed Iraqis. Nobody in America cares about this.

    Before the Bush family's political conflict with Trump began in 2015, there were many opportunities for the Democrats and "media liberals" to criticize Bush over his legacy in Iraq. For some reason, they delivered only mild criticism and rarely ever brough up the human suffering that Bush created in that country.

    By the way, here's a movie called "American Sniper." It's about a Navy Seal named Chris Kyle. He apparently killed 160 people in Iraq, which he was extremely proud about. Despite being a White male who killed an enormous number of dark-skinned Iraqis, there was little criticism of how the movie glorified him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcthD64Srs

    The point is that at no point, has anyone ever been held accountable for Iraqi casualties. It's sort of just been ignored. Even before Trump arrived on the scene, Bush got off really easy.

    A White male authorized an extremely bloody and unneccessary war that killed 1 million Middle Easterners, with the political/media class and public giving a big yawn.

    Replies: @anon, @gcochran, @gcochran, @Pericles

    The war was actually orchestrated by the neoconservatives, who are pretty much all members of the tribe. The same tribe that largely controls the media. The one hand washes the other sport.

  54. @Anonymous

    It’s unclear which Republican politician favored mass immigration more wholeheartedly.
     
    Didn't McCain call to "Build the dang fence!"?

    Replies: @anon

    Actually didn’t he say, “Americans won’t pick lettuce for 50 dollars an hour!”?

  55. Dubya will probably live another 20 years. By that point most if not all of his cabinet and the congressional leaders who served at the time will be dead (like the pedophile Dennis Hastert), and even his youngest voters will be so old his presidency will be nothing more than a faded memory.

    It’s what will happen will Jimmy Carter finally passes on. Had he died in 1995 there would have been a massive outpouring of grief and memorials from Gerald Ford, Howard Baker, Robert Byrd, and Ed Muskie. But those people are all ancient history now.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Berty

    Carter will be meaningfully honored. Mostly rightly.

  56. @SonOfStrom
    @Steve Sailer

    And of course they DO, right? Isn’t that what the Bewitched reboot is telling us?

    I mean, Serena got her a billionaire:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vogue.com/article/alexis-ohanian-serena-williams-best-husband-ever/amp

    Meghan got her a Prince:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/amp22830482/meghan-markle-won-over-prince-george-and-princess-charlotte-with-her-cooking/

    SURELY it’s only a matter of time before white men begin swooning for Black Girl Magic at the same rates as say, black men go for Becky, right? Right? RIGHT?!?

    Replies: @Frank G, @CK

    Serena didn’t marry the white boy because he’s a billionaire, she married him because he’s intelligent, a quality that she knows she sorely lacks.

  57. Didn’t Tucker Carlson wrote in his book about the 2000 campaign:

    McCain ran an entire presidential campaign aimed primarily at journalists. He understood that the first contest in a presidential race is always the media primary. He campaigned hard to win it. To a greater degree than any candidate in thirty years, McCain offered reporters the three things they want most: total access all the time, an endless stream of amusing quotes, and vast quantities of free booze.

    Given his wife owns beer bottler/distribution business, he could afford to get booze at retail to supply all the hanger on press with free booze.

    Did George W. Bush gave reporters “vast quantities of free booze?” If the answer is NO, then you got the answer to your question.

  58. @slumber_j

    McCain was the best kind of Republican: a loser.
     
    https://youtu.be/Rm6xL0klXcQ?t=44

    Replies: @academic gossip

    Trump’s “Disloyal R’s … don’t know how to win – I will teach them!” is the greatest tweet of all time.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @academic gossip

    Yeah, that's very good.

  59. As far as I can tell, the MSM is not reporting President Trump’s condolence tweet about McCain, which he posted on Saturday. If that’s true, it’s yet another effort to malign the reputation of our favorite president.

    Checking Twitter, the phrase “Trump is conspicuously absent” is trending. As always, the President is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. I wonder how long Saint McCain will rule the news cycle.

  60. @IHTG
    That's a long way off, what about his father?

    Replies: @International Jew

    Yeah, Steve’s really jumped the gun here. W looks great, he should be around for a long time yet.

    It’s funny now to recall that in his day he was The Worst President in History. If we’re ever so lucky as to get a President Chris Kobach, we’ll see the press grow fond of Trump!

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @International Jew

    The press is already fond of Trump. It is their unrequited love which drives them mad.

  61. @Sam Haysom
    @AndrewR

    That was addressed to other nations and was said in the aftermath of 9/11 it had nothing to do with the Iraq War. Why is it that paleocons even when they are right about an issue can’t resist lying and obsfucating.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @AndrewR, @Art Deco

    The first time he said it, I was out of the country and not paying much attention to US politics. I distinctly recall hearing it in 2003. Maybe it was a replay of his initial comments. Sue me.

  62. @Paleo Liberal
    Two wars,
    Two recessions,
    Complete breakdown of the banking system,
    Ignored threats of bin Laden before 9/11
    Massive deficits,
    Massive immigration by illegal aliens...

    What’s not to like about W?


    To be fair, I have a fairly high regard for Laura Bush. I just question her taste in men.

    When liberal friends and family here in Madison WI talk about Trump as the worst president ever, I always point out W’s record.

    Speaking as a liberal and no lover of Trump, I can honestly say thoughtful liberals are NOT clamoring for Trump’s impeachment. One word: Pence.

    Replies: @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Desiderius

    If you want to defuse talk of impeachment, just mention Trump is an anti abortion Christian.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Alden

    I meant to write, if you want to defuse talk if Trump’s impeachment, just mention Pence is an anti abortion Christian. Liberal grads will explode.

  63. @Alden
    @Paleo Liberal

    If you want to defuse talk of impeachment, just mention Trump is an anti abortion Christian.

    Replies: @Alden

    I meant to write, if you want to defuse talk if Trump’s impeachment, just mention Pence is an anti abortion Christian. Liberal grads will explode.

  64. @kaganovitch
    Before the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq had an annual cancer incidence rate of 40 per 100,000.
    By 1995 (post-Gulf War), the cancer rate rose to 800 per 100,000. By 2005, rate rose to 1,600 per 100,000. That rate continues to increase. From 1991 through 2005, the Iraqi cancer rate increased by a factor of 40x.


    You find these numbers remotely plausible? You think Iraq went from 1/10 the cancer rate of the USA to four times the cancer rate in 20 years?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes.

    The multiple U.S. invasion of Iraq have unreleashed enormous amounts of pollutants. Our invasions have left behind hundreds of tons of depleted uranium munitions and other harmful subtances. It’s very plausible that the country is suffering an abysmally high cancer rate.

    See more below.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2013/04/20134210243072524.html

    Official Iraqi government statistics show that, prior to the outbreak of the First Gulf War in 1991, the rate of cancer cases in Iraq was 40 out of 100,000 people. By 1995, it had increased to 800 out of 100,000 people, and, by 2005, it had doubled to at least 1,600 out of 100,000 people. Current estimates show the increasing trend continuing. Cancer rates and congenital birth malformations in Fallujah, attributed to what many doctors and scientists believe to be weapons used by the US military during two brutal sieges against the city in 2004, have been referenced as “the highest rate of genetic damage in any population ever studied. Birth defect incidence rates in Fallujah are approximately 14 times the rate in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki areas of Japan, where the US dropped nuclear bombs.”

    You’ll occasionally see a commercial asking Americans to donate to a pro-veterans charity. Never will you see a commercial asking Americans to donate to a charity assisting Iraqi civilians.

    There’s a mysterious absence of “white guilt” with respect to Iraq.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Food for thought: How accurate do you think cancer (rate) statistics from third world shitholes are? Remember Iraq was a third world shithole before brief military excercises and it remained a third world shithole afterwards.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @kaganovitch
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I primarily find it hard to believe that prewar cancer rates were 1/10 the rate of the USA.

  65. @prosa123
    McCain's long, drawn-out terminal illness no doubt made his death more newsworthy. Everyone had been anticipating it for months.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @Bard of Bumperstickers

    McCain’s long, drawn-out terminal illness no doubt made his death more newsworthy. Everyone had been anticipating it for months.

    Gives the papers time to stock their “morgue”.

    How long does his mother have?

  66. @Paleo Liberal
    Two wars,
    Two recessions,
    Complete breakdown of the banking system,
    Ignored threats of bin Laden before 9/11
    Massive deficits,
    Massive immigration by illegal aliens...

    What’s not to like about W?


    To be fair, I have a fairly high regard for Laura Bush. I just question her taste in men.

    When liberal friends and family here in Madison WI talk about Trump as the worst president ever, I always point out W’s record.

    Speaking as a liberal and no lover of Trump, I can honestly say thoughtful liberals are NOT clamoring for Trump’s impeachment. One word: Pence.

    Replies: @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Desiderius

    Two wars,
    Two recessions,
    Complete breakdown of the banking system,
    Ignored threats of bin Laden before 9/11
    Massive deficits,
    Massive immigration by illegal aliens…

    Don’t leave out “Islam is a peaceful religion.”

    Of course, the real scandal there is the silence of the opposition thereto.

    When a pitcher throws a slow, fat pitch, it’s suspicious. When the batter refuses to take advantage of it, that’s really suspicious.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Reg Cæsar

    Don't forget this little beauty.

    https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020617-2.html

  67. @anon
    "Its unclear which Republican politician favored mass immigration more wholeheartedly."

    Which of course makes no sense at all as the vast majority of these immigrants become voters for the Democrats. There is something really wrong with the Republican party.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Many pro-Republican business interests (real estate speculators, contractors, growers) built their wealth by exploiting cheaply-paid migrant labor. They built their riches on the backs of desperate foreigners. Then they call themselves “job creators” and “rugged individualists.”

    It’s not surprising that they favor mass immigration.

  68. @prosa123
    McCain's long, drawn-out terminal illness no doubt made his death more newsworthy. Everyone had been anticipating it for months.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @Bard of Bumperstickers

    McCain’s long, drawn-out terminal illness no doubt made his death more newsworthy. Everyone had been anticipating it for months.

    BTW How’s Generalissimo Francisco Franco holding up?

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Pericles
    @anonymous

    Getting dug up by the Podemos communistos academios judios perros, last I looked at the news.

  69. @JohnnyWalker123
    @anon

    Except that when the Iraq War was being sold back in 2002 and 2003, the Democrats and the "liberal media" sort of just rolled over.

    When the 2006 Lancet report found that over 650,000 Iraqis had been killed by the Iraq War, it was a very minor political issue. After a few days of arguing, the Democrats and "liberal media" basically sort of just forgot about the report and didn't bring it up again. In the years since, more reports have come out about casualties in Iraq, with one credible physician study finding over 1 million deaths. Nobody cares and the political/media class sort of just ignored news about the massive numbers of deaths, with the public also appearing totally indifferent to any talk of Iraqi casualties.

    Before the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq had an annual cancer incidence rate of 40 per 100,000.
    By 1995 (post-Gulf War), the cancer rate rose to 800 per 100,000. By 2005, rate rose to 1,600 per 100,000. That rate continues to increase. From 1991 through 2005, the Iraqi cancer rate increased by a factor of 40x.

    For comparison, America has an annual cancer incidence rate of 440 per 100,000. The lifetime risk of cancer is 38.5% in America. So if Iraq has 4x America's cancer rate, it just shows you how destructive the war has been even for non-killed Iraqis. Nobody in America cares about this.

    Before the Bush family's political conflict with Trump began in 2015, there were many opportunities for the Democrats and "media liberals" to criticize Bush over his legacy in Iraq. For some reason, they delivered only mild criticism and rarely ever brough up the human suffering that Bush created in that country.

    By the way, here's a movie called "American Sniper." It's about a Navy Seal named Chris Kyle. He apparently killed 160 people in Iraq, which he was extremely proud about. Despite being a White male who killed an enormous number of dark-skinned Iraqis, there was little criticism of how the movie glorified him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcthD64Srs

    The point is that at no point, has anyone ever been held accountable for Iraqi casualties. It's sort of just been ignored. Even before Trump arrived on the scene, Bush got off really easy.

    A White male authorized an extremely bloody and unneccessary war that killed 1 million Middle Easterners, with the political/media class and public giving a big yawn.

    Replies: @anon, @gcochran, @gcochran, @Pericles

    “the Iraqi cancer rate increased by a factor of 40x. ” never happened.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @gcochran

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/depleted-uranium-iraq-wars-legacy-cancer/193338/


    As instability in Iraq is forcing the United States to consider a third invasion of the Middle Eastern nation, the consequences of the first two invasions are coming into focus. For large sectors of the Iraqi population, American intervention has led to sharp spikes in the rates of congenital birth defects, premature births, miscarriages and leukemia cases.

    According to Iraqi government statistics, the rate of cancer in the country has skyrocketed from 40 per 100,000 people prior to the First Gulf War in 1991, to 800 per 100,000 in 1995, to at least 1,600 per 100,000 in 2005.

    The culprit behind all of these health issues is depleted uranium, a byproduct of uranium enrichment. With a mass fraction a third of what fissile uranium would have, depleted uranium emits less alpha radiation — up to 60 percent less than natural uranium, according to the U.S. Department of Defense. This “relative” safety offered a rationale for many nations — particularly, the U.S. — to put the waste material to use.
     

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Craken

  70. Why would Bush get the same reaction? He isn’t a war hero, he started a destructive war, and he crashed the economy. Oh, and he began the disturbing and ne’er-to-be-broken trend of Republicans coasting to the presidency while losing by hundreds of thousands and eventually millions of votes.

    Totally different than McCain.

    Unless you meant H.W.

  71. @JohnnyWalker123
    @anon

    Except that when the Iraq War was being sold back in 2002 and 2003, the Democrats and the "liberal media" sort of just rolled over.

    When the 2006 Lancet report found that over 650,000 Iraqis had been killed by the Iraq War, it was a very minor political issue. After a few days of arguing, the Democrats and "liberal media" basically sort of just forgot about the report and didn't bring it up again. In the years since, more reports have come out about casualties in Iraq, with one credible physician study finding over 1 million deaths. Nobody cares and the political/media class sort of just ignored news about the massive numbers of deaths, with the public also appearing totally indifferent to any talk of Iraqi casualties.

    Before the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq had an annual cancer incidence rate of 40 per 100,000.
    By 1995 (post-Gulf War), the cancer rate rose to 800 per 100,000. By 2005, rate rose to 1,600 per 100,000. That rate continues to increase. From 1991 through 2005, the Iraqi cancer rate increased by a factor of 40x.

    For comparison, America has an annual cancer incidence rate of 440 per 100,000. The lifetime risk of cancer is 38.5% in America. So if Iraq has 4x America's cancer rate, it just shows you how destructive the war has been even for non-killed Iraqis. Nobody in America cares about this.

    Before the Bush family's political conflict with Trump began in 2015, there were many opportunities for the Democrats and "media liberals" to criticize Bush over his legacy in Iraq. For some reason, they delivered only mild criticism and rarely ever brough up the human suffering that Bush created in that country.

    By the way, here's a movie called "American Sniper." It's about a Navy Seal named Chris Kyle. He apparently killed 160 people in Iraq, which he was extremely proud about. Despite being a White male who killed an enormous number of dark-skinned Iraqis, there was little criticism of how the movie glorified him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcthD64Srs

    The point is that at no point, has anyone ever been held accountable for Iraqi casualties. It's sort of just been ignored. Even before Trump arrived on the scene, Bush got off really easy.

    A White male authorized an extremely bloody and unneccessary war that killed 1 million Middle Easterners, with the political/media class and public giving a big yawn.

    Replies: @anon, @gcochran, @gcochran, @Pericles

    Between 2006 and 2012, age standardized incidence of breast cancer in Iraq increased from 30 to 40/100,000 women with the increase specifically occurring in women ≥ 60 years old (P < 0.001). Breast cancers in Kurdish women ≥ 60 years old may also have increased (P = 0.047) with urban exceeding rural rates by 2:1. For both Kurdish and Arabic women, there was a marked predominance of luminal B tumors at all ages in which luminal B and luminal A tumors were asymmetric skewed toward older age but with no late luminal A age peak.

    Go to:
    Conclusions
    Older Iraqi women do not show the bimodal shift toward higher rates of luminal A breast cancers seen in the West. The modest increase in age standardized incidence of breast cancer in Iraqi is being seen specifically in older women and may be better attributed to a trend for care in urban cancer centers rather than changing tumor characteristics.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @gcochran

    Childhood leukemia tripled in Iraq.

    http://www.washington.edu/news/2010/02/25/childhood-leukemia-rates-climb-in-southern-iraq/


    Dr. Amy Hagopian during a visit to Iraq, where she and her Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center collaborators and their international colleagues have documented an increase in childhood leukemia and are trying to find the reasons behind the upswing.
    Childhood leukemia rates have more than doubled over the past 15 years in the southern Iraq province of Basrah, according to the study, “Trends in Childhood Leukaemia in Basrah, Iraq (1993-2007),” published online Feb. 18 in the American Journal of Public Health.

    The authors, three of whom are from the UW, say they hope their calculations can now pave the way for an investigation into reasons why the rates have climbed so high, and why they are higher than found in nearby Kuwait, or in the European Union or the United States.

    The study documents 698 cases of leukemia for children aged 0-14 during the 15-year period, with a peak of 211 cases in 2006. Younger children had higher rates than older ones.

    “By using a hospital cancer registry, we were able to measure a jump in leukemia rates from 3 per 100,000 youngsters in the first part of our study period, to a rate of almost 8 and a half in the final three years,” said UW Department of Global Health faculty member Amy Hagopian, the paper’s lead author.

    By comparison, Hagopian said, the European Union and the United States report rates of 4 and 5 per 100,000, respectively. She also noted Kuwait reports a rate of approximately 2 per 100,000 and Oman reports rates between 2 and 3 per 100,000, depending on the gender of the child. Boys typically have higher rates, as do children from higher socio-economic classes.
     
  72. @JohnnyWalker123
    @kaganovitch

    Yes.

    The multiple U.S. invasion of Iraq have unreleashed enormous amounts of pollutants. Our invasions have left behind hundreds of tons of depleted uranium munitions and other harmful subtances. It's very plausible that the country is suffering an abysmally high cancer rate.

    See more below.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2013/04/20134210243072524.html


    Official Iraqi government statistics show that, prior to the outbreak of the First Gulf War in 1991, the rate of cancer cases in Iraq was 40 out of 100,000 people. By 1995, it had increased to 800 out of 100,000 people, and, by 2005, it had doubled to at least 1,600 out of 100,000 people. Current estimates show the increasing trend continuing. Cancer rates and congenital birth malformations in Fallujah, attributed to what many doctors and scientists believe to be weapons used by the US military during two brutal sieges against the city in 2004, have been referenced as "the highest rate of genetic damage in any population ever studied. Birth defect incidence rates in Fallujah are approximately 14 times the rate in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki areas of Japan, where the US dropped nuclear bombs."

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNi_1pbSqGY

    You'll occasionally see a commercial asking Americans to donate to a pro-veterans charity. Never will you see a commercial asking Americans to donate to a charity assisting Iraqi civilians.

    There's a mysterious absence of "white guilt" with respect to Iraq.

    Replies: @anonymous, @kaganovitch

    Food for thought: How accurate do you think cancer (rate) statistics from third world shitholes are? Remember Iraq was a third world shithole before brief military excercises and it remained a third world shithole afterwards.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @anonymous

    Food for thought: How accurate do you think cancer (rate) statistics from third world shitholes are?

    His thoughts on that will vary depending on what point he's trying to make.

  73. @Redneck farmer
    Alexander led his troops. McCain didn't become Consul McCain and lead the Afghan invasion.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Alexander led his troops. McCain didn’t become Consul McCain and lead the Afghan invasion.

    Alexander led his troops because he had to. Generals had a way of going into business for themselves. Just ask the Roman Senate about what ensued a couple of years after the Gallic Wars. Heck – just examine any period of Roman history. This is principally why some of the best generals in many empires ended up either taking a chunk of land or the throne for themselves or in an early grave.

  74. @22pp22
    There are three groups in danger of genocide today.

    1). Christians in the Middle East.

    2). The tiny Republic of Armenia sandwiched between hostile Turkey and Azerbaijan.

    3). Afrikaners.

    The only person who really passes the Anne Frank test is Putin - certainly not the MSM in the US.

    Replies: @gate666, @NickG, @Anonymous

    There are three groups in danger of genocide today.

    1). Christians in the Middle East.

    2). The tiny Republic of Armenia sandwiched between hostile Turkey and Azerbaijan.

    3). Afrikaners.

    Why do you suppose Afrikaners are at risk of genocide and not they other 40% of white South Africans?

    Or was it that you didn’t know that Afrikaner and white South African are not synonymous?

    • Replies: @22pp22
    @NickG

    Many of the English-speakers have British passports. But you are right. I should have said White South Africans.

  75. @kaganovitch
    @Steve Sailer

    Also, women who are bored with sports don't give interviews in which they say their ambition is to be NFL commissioner, as Condi did in '02.

    Replies: @njguy73

    Also, women who are bored with sports don’t give interviews in which they say their ambition is to be NFL commissioner, as Condi did in ’02.

    If only she did replace Tagliabue in 2007.

    • Replies: @SonOfStrom
    @njguy73

    Hey, she made it onto the CFB Playoff Committee for a while. Not a bad consolation prize.

    Replies: @njguy73

    , @kaganovitch
    @njguy73

    Very true

  76. Unlike McCain or Soviet Politburo members, Dubya won’t die while still in office.

    If McCain truly was the humble public servant he painted himself to be, he’d have resigned after his diagnosis, or at the very least some weeks before his death. How could he work with such an illness, especially in its terminal stage?

    By the way, depending on which part of the brain was affected, brain cancer might cloud judgment, even if it wasn’t terminal.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @reiner Tor

    One think McCain never attempted to incorporate into his persona was 'humble public servant'.

    , @kaganovitch
    @reiner Tor

    By the way, depending on which part of the brain was affected, brain cancer might cloud judgment, even if it wasn’t terminal.

    To borrow from Dorothy Parker "How could you tell?"

  77. @gcochran
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Between 2006 and 2012, age standardized incidence of breast cancer in Iraq increased from 30 to 40/100,000 women with the increase specifically occurring in women ≥ 60 years old (P < 0.001). Breast cancers in Kurdish women ≥ 60 years old may also have increased (P = 0.047) with urban exceeding rural rates by 2:1. For both Kurdish and Arabic women, there was a marked predominance of luminal B tumors at all ages in which luminal B and luminal A tumors were asymmetric skewed toward older age but with no late luminal A age peak.

    Go to:
    Conclusions
    Older Iraqi women do not show the bimodal shift toward higher rates of luminal A breast cancers seen in the West. The modest increase in age standardized incidence of breast cancer in Iraqi is being seen specifically in older women and may be better attributed to a trend for care in urban cancer centers rather than changing tumor characteristics.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Childhood leukemia tripled in Iraq.

    http://www.washington.edu/news/2010/02/25/childhood-leukemia-rates-climb-in-southern-iraq/

    Dr. Amy Hagopian during a visit to Iraq, where she and her Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center collaborators and their international colleagues have documented an increase in childhood leukemia and are trying to find the reasons behind the upswing.
    Childhood leukemia rates have more than doubled over the past 15 years in the southern Iraq province of Basrah, according to the study, “Trends in Childhood Leukaemia in Basrah, Iraq (1993-2007),” published online Feb. 18 in the American Journal of Public Health.

    The authors, three of whom are from the UW, say they hope their calculations can now pave the way for an investigation into reasons why the rates have climbed so high, and why they are higher than found in nearby Kuwait, or in the European Union or the United States.

    The study documents 698 cases of leukemia for children aged 0-14 during the 15-year period, with a peak of 211 cases in 2006. Younger children had higher rates than older ones.

    “By using a hospital cancer registry, we were able to measure a jump in leukemia rates from 3 per 100,000 youngsters in the first part of our study period, to a rate of almost 8 and a half in the final three years,” said UW Department of Global Health faculty member Amy Hagopian, the paper’s lead author.

    By comparison, Hagopian said, the European Union and the United States report rates of 4 and 5 per 100,000, respectively. She also noted Kuwait reports a rate of approximately 2 per 100,000 and Oman reports rates between 2 and 3 per 100,000, depending on the gender of the child. Boys typically have higher rates, as do children from higher socio-economic classes.

  78. @gcochran
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "the Iraqi cancer rate increased by a factor of 40x. " never happened.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/depleted-uranium-iraq-wars-legacy-cancer/193338/

    As instability in Iraq is forcing the United States to consider a third invasion of the Middle Eastern nation, the consequences of the first two invasions are coming into focus. For large sectors of the Iraqi population, American intervention has led to sharp spikes in the rates of congenital birth defects, premature births, miscarriages and leukemia cases.

    According to Iraqi government statistics, the rate of cancer in the country has skyrocketed from 40 per 100,000 people prior to the First Gulf War in 1991, to 800 per 100,000 in 1995, to at least 1,600 per 100,000 in 2005.

    The culprit behind all of these health issues is depleted uranium, a byproduct of uranium enrichment. With a mass fraction a third of what fissile uranium would have, depleted uranium emits less alpha radiation — up to 60 percent less than natural uranium, according to the U.S. Department of Defense. This “relative” safety offered a rationale for many nations — particularly, the U.S. — to put the waste material to use.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "The culprit behind all of these health issues is depleted uranium, a byproduct of uranium enrichment."

    Maybe, maybe not. A pure assertion.

    " Animal studies suggest that DU can have a negative impact on the brain, kidney, and bones of mature animals. The data also suggests that the developing animal may be at risk and that there may be a greater risk of radiation induced cancers that originally thought. But, all of this data is only suggestive until it can be tied to meaningful human research. We do not even have a reasonable idea of the typical DU intake of people living in regions where DU munitions have been used. This lack of fundamental information makes extrapolation from animal data to humans a strictly academic exercise. The few human studies that are out there are limited to military service personnel who have different exposure profile than we would expect for civilians, or the studies are limited in usefulness by their design and sample type [2]."

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819790/

    , @Craken
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Both the 40/100,000 rate and the 1,600/100,000 rate are outside of normal rates in the world. The lowest I saw in WHO stats was about 90/100,000 (in black Africa). The highest was about 650/100,000 (in Australia). Maybe the Iraqi government's stats are less than perfectly reliable. But, you believe Iraq descended from Saddam's Eden to the most carcinogenic wasteland in the world 15 years later. I require at least a quasi-reliable source for such extraordinary claims.

  79. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Condi is a dedicated golfer, a member of both Cypress Point and Augusta National.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Redneck farmer

    Centuries from now, historians will call Steve Sailer the man who figured out the importance of golf in 20th and 21st Century America.

  80. @gate666
    @22pp22

    what exactly did putin do to help christians in the middle east.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “what exactly did putin do to help christians in the middle east”

    Supported the government which protected them, and killed the people who were trying to kill them?

  81. @anon
    It is shameful that Bush was so oblivious to the lessons of Vietnam. He was drunk/high when it was a current event. He did have the foresight to duck it. I guess that there is no 'lesson' -- our military openly wants a rematch. My lesson is that if you don't win in a timely fashion, at a plausible cost -- you lose.

    Turns out everyone remembered Munich and forgot Vietnam ASAP.

    Bush was shockingly deferential to his advisers, only knowing he wanted a different outcome from daddy.

    We had a financial panic on his watch also.

    He makes Herbert Hoover look good.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    In his defense, Bush did realize war with Iran would have been a bad idea after Iraq.

  82. @JohnnyWalker123
    @anon

    Except that when the Iraq War was being sold back in 2002 and 2003, the Democrats and the "liberal media" sort of just rolled over.

    When the 2006 Lancet report found that over 650,000 Iraqis had been killed by the Iraq War, it was a very minor political issue. After a few days of arguing, the Democrats and "liberal media" basically sort of just forgot about the report and didn't bring it up again. In the years since, more reports have come out about casualties in Iraq, with one credible physician study finding over 1 million deaths. Nobody cares and the political/media class sort of just ignored news about the massive numbers of deaths, with the public also appearing totally indifferent to any talk of Iraqi casualties.

    Before the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq had an annual cancer incidence rate of 40 per 100,000.
    By 1995 (post-Gulf War), the cancer rate rose to 800 per 100,000. By 2005, rate rose to 1,600 per 100,000. That rate continues to increase. From 1991 through 2005, the Iraqi cancer rate increased by a factor of 40x.

    For comparison, America has an annual cancer incidence rate of 440 per 100,000. The lifetime risk of cancer is 38.5% in America. So if Iraq has 4x America's cancer rate, it just shows you how destructive the war has been even for non-killed Iraqis. Nobody in America cares about this.

    Before the Bush family's political conflict with Trump began in 2015, there were many opportunities for the Democrats and "media liberals" to criticize Bush over his legacy in Iraq. For some reason, they delivered only mild criticism and rarely ever brough up the human suffering that Bush created in that country.

    By the way, here's a movie called "American Sniper." It's about a Navy Seal named Chris Kyle. He apparently killed 160 people in Iraq, which he was extremely proud about. Despite being a White male who killed an enormous number of dark-skinned Iraqis, there was little criticism of how the movie glorified him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqcthD64Srs

    The point is that at no point, has anyone ever been held accountable for Iraqi casualties. It's sort of just been ignored. Even before Trump arrived on the scene, Bush got off really easy.

    A White male authorized an extremely bloody and unneccessary war that killed 1 million Middle Easterners, with the political/media class and public giving a big yawn.

    Replies: @anon, @gcochran, @gcochran, @Pericles

    In 2003, Iraq had 25.6m inhabitants, today they have 39.3m (that’s 53% more, and presumably excludes those who have swarmed into Europe etc). Not much of a genocide then.

    http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/iraq-population/

    If you’re white, more wise to worry about your own people.

  83. @anonymous
    @prosa123


    McCain’s long, drawn-out terminal illness no doubt made his death more newsworthy. Everyone had been anticipating it for months.
     
    BTW How’s Generalissimo Francisco Franco holding up?

    Replies: @Pericles

    Getting dug up by the Podemos communistos academios judios perros, last I looked at the news.

  84. There’s another mortgage bubble about to pop, thanks to Obama. That’s why the Dems are in love with W. while he is still shoplifting oxygen.

  85. Considering his father is still alive and his mother just died, plus considering 43’s robust health and lack of bad habits, he will likely be around for 20+ years.

  86. @22pp22
    There are three groups in danger of genocide today.

    1). Christians in the Middle East.

    2). The tiny Republic of Armenia sandwiched between hostile Turkey and Azerbaijan.

    3). Afrikaners.

    The only person who really passes the Anne Frank test is Putin - certainly not the MSM in the US.

    Replies: @gate666, @NickG, @Anonymous

    Comrade, South Africa just doesn’t have money for the nuclear reactor program. I thought Cyril explained this to your boss.

    Best you write-off the bribes you paid to Zuma and the Guptas-they knew this as well, and conned you.

  87. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paleo Liberal


    Two wars,
    Two recessions,
    Complete breakdown of the banking system,
    Ignored threats of bin Laden before 9/11
    Massive deficits,
    Massive immigration by illegal aliens…
     
    Don't leave out "Islam is a peaceful religion."

    Of course, the real scandal there is the silence of the opposition thereto.

    When a pitcher throws a slow, fat pitch, it's suspicious. When the batter refuses to take advantage of it, that's really suspicious.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  88. @prosa123
    McCain's long, drawn-out terminal illness no doubt made his death more newsworthy. Everyone had been anticipating it for months.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous, @Bard of Bumperstickers

    McCain’s long, drawn-out reign of terror had many anticipating his death for YEARS – before the diagnosis. The tumor should receive the Nobel in peace. Look at even Alexandria Occasional-Cortex slobbering all over the “great man’s” kneecaps: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/08/thomas-woods/what-the-mccain-eulogies-tell-us-about-the-media-and-the-regime/ What else does one need to know about the “difference” between the “two” parties?

  89. @SonOfStrom
    @Steve Sailer

    And of course they DO, right? Isn’t that what the Bewitched reboot is telling us?

    I mean, Serena got her a billionaire:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vogue.com/article/alexis-ohanian-serena-williams-best-husband-ever/amp

    Meghan got her a Prince:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/amp22830482/meghan-markle-won-over-prince-george-and-princess-charlotte-with-her-cooking/

    SURELY it’s only a matter of time before white men begin swooning for Black Girl Magic at the same rates as say, black men go for Becky, right? Right? RIGHT?!?

    Replies: @Frank G, @CK

    I think that commenter Tiny Duck is all for white men mating up with black women.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @CK


    [reply to Son of Strom]

    I think that commenter Tiny Duck is all for white men mating up with black women.
     

    Strom himself had a, well, nuanced view of the issue as well.
  90. @Abe
    @AndrewR


    He said “you’re either with us or against us” during the beginning of the Iraq War.
     
    And Lucas put those words into the mouth of young Darth Vader in STAR WARS III. Bush hatred was so unhinged by the end that it contaminated McCain by proxy. A sight-gag in FAMILY GUY around that time had a real Nazi anachronistically wearing a MCAIN-PALIN campaign button.

    Replies: @Polynikes

    Let’s not forget that Bush was “literally Hitler” before Trump was. The left’s emotions have never been stable.

  91. @Paleo Liberal
    Two wars,
    Two recessions,
    Complete breakdown of the banking system,
    Ignored threats of bin Laden before 9/11
    Massive deficits,
    Massive immigration by illegal aliens...

    What’s not to like about W?


    To be fair, I have a fairly high regard for Laura Bush. I just question her taste in men.

    When liberal friends and family here in Madison WI talk about Trump as the worst president ever, I always point out W’s record.

    Speaking as a liberal and no lover of Trump, I can honestly say thoughtful liberals are NOT clamoring for Trump’s impeachment. One word: Pence.

    Replies: @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Desiderius

    “To be fair, I have a fairly high regard for Laura Bush. I just question her taste in men.”

    As with Wilson, The Bush Administration post-Katrina was the Laura Bush Administration.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Desiderius

    There's no indication whatsoever that Laura Bush knows much or cares much about public policy. Nor had her husband been incapacitated. Nor was she controlling access to him.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  92. @James Kabala
    I don't know - the media really loved McCain in 2000, before he had lost anything and before anyone had ever heard of Barack Obama.

    Replies: @prusmc, @e

    Would the media romance of 2000 have continued if he not W had got the Republican nomination and ran against Al Gore?
    My guess is based on how the media turned on their pet Republican when he was the candidate in 2008 and the answer the media has an agenda and as much loyalty as a snake.

  93. @academic gossip
    @slumber_j

    Trump's "Disloyal R's ... don't know how to win - I will teach them!" is the greatest tweet of all time.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    Yeah, that’s very good.

  94. @njguy73
    @kaganovitch


    Also, women who are bored with sports don’t give interviews in which they say their ambition is to be NFL commissioner, as Condi did in ’02.
     
    If only she did replace Tagliabue in 2007.

    Replies: @SonOfStrom, @kaganovitch

    Hey, she made it onto the CFB Playoff Committee for a while. Not a bad consolation prize.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @SonOfStrom


    I'm a big Condoleezza Rice fan. I'm Christian Conservative. I'd vote for her for President. I don't necessarily agree that she should be on the committee.
     
    - Tommy Bowden, former Clemson coach, October 2014

    https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/10/tommy_bowden_says_condoleezza.html
  95. @Berty
    Dubya will probably live another 20 years. By that point most if not all of his cabinet and the congressional leaders who served at the time will be dead (like the pedophile Dennis Hastert), and even his youngest voters will be so old his presidency will be nothing more than a faded memory.

    It's what will happen will Jimmy Carter finally passes on. Had he died in 1995 there would have been a massive outpouring of grief and memorials from Gerald Ford, Howard Baker, Robert Byrd, and Ed Muskie. But those people are all ancient history now.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Carter will be meaningfully honored. Mostly rightly.

  96. @International Jew
    @IHTG

    Yeah, Steve's really jumped the gun here. W looks great, he should be around for a long time yet.

    It's funny now to recall that in his day he was The Worst President in History. If we're ever so lucky as to get a President Chris Kobach, we'll see the press grow fond of Trump!

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The press is already fond of Trump. It is their unrequited love which drives them mad.

  97. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyD

    McCain lost mostly because Wall Street collapsed in September of 2008, which the public blamed on Bush and the Republicans. If not for that, McCain might've won. He was even in the polls before the financial crisis.

    He was pretty aggressive about campaigning in the days before the election, even when everything seemed futile.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4o1X08L7a4

    Remember "Joe the Plumber"?

    McCain didn't voluntarily surrender to Obama. He was involuntarily defeated by the extreme ineptness of President Bush.

    Bush beat McCain in 2000 and 2008......... and McCain is now inviting Bush to give the euology at his funeral.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Alec Leamas, @JohnnyD

    I was a long time fan of McCain beginning in the 2000 primary when I first became politically aware, but my fandom sort of waned over time afterwards.

    My criticism of McCain is that he often saw political conflicts in terms of tests of him personally, in which only his personal honor or code of conduct was at stake – seemingly without realizing that the judges who measure these things tended to be people invested either in his defeat against the Democrat du jour or in use of McCain to hamstring a fellow Republican. In 2008, it wasn’t only McCain’s campaign – he was nominated by the votes of Millions of Republicans to zealously prosecute a campaign on their behalf for the purpose of enacting their policy preferences into law. Deciding that certain lines of attack would sully his honor – such as the perfectly legitimate question of whether candidate Obama trafficked in fringe race hatred in Rev. Wright’s orbit (while himself being tarred as the perennial Republican racist) – was in my view quite selfish.

    Despite what you cite, he really did seem to think his job at the close of the 2008 campaign was to gracefully act as a midwife of the first black President.

    Someone on twitter put it quite well – people who didn’t vote for McCain for President will now use his death as a cudgel against those who did. That’s the tragedy of McCain as a political figure – he was only ever effective at frustrating the ends of the constituents he claimed to represent.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Alec Leamas

    Extraordinarily well put.

    Odd how much he has that in common with Trump yet their results are so different.

  98. @SonOfStrom
    W is already being rehabilitated, via pieces like this, that tout his “fondness” for Michelle Obama:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/02/politics/george-bush-michelle-obama-friends/index.html

    Black Twitter is also full of memes, mostly posted by purported black females, of W gazing at Michelle - he WAS President after all.

    The one thing that can sacrilize the impure is the love of a perfect Christ-figure - like Michelle.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Abe, @Alec Leamas

    It’s a strange phenomenon.

    The public Barack Obama seems almost preternaturally devoid of appetites. His public persona is asexual. I wonder if this is why the W and Michelle meme seems to work – it’s sort of presumed that Barack and Michelle don’t have a functioning sexual relationship.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alec Leamas

    The public Barack Obama seems almost preternaturally devoid of appetites.

    Except for the real estate with the 7-digit price tags and the trips to Martha's Vinyard (with clanking security detail in tow), I suppose you have a point.

  99. It’s a reasonable wager George W. Bush will be around for another 20-odd years. The public controversies of his administration won’t excite visceral reactions for anyone bar a few eccentrics. At the same time, George W. Bush’s biography hasn’t any poignant aspects, so neither reporters nor the public are likely to react to him the same way they do to McCain. Also, McCain has worked to build relationships with the press (recall he was styled by wags “John McCain (R – Media)”) and most Republican politicians can hardly be bothered (with good reason).

  100. @Desiderius
    @Paleo Liberal

    “To be fair, I have a fairly high regard for Laura Bush. I just question her taste in men.”

    As with Wilson, The Bush Administration post-Katrina was the Laura Bush Administration.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    There’s no indication whatsoever that Laura Bush knows much or cares much about public policy. Nor had her husband been incapacitated. Nor was she controlling access to him.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    They shared a bed. He made sure not to embarrass her again.

  101. @Alec Leamas
    @SonOfStrom

    It's a strange phenomenon.

    The public Barack Obama seems almost preternaturally devoid of appetites. His public persona is asexual. I wonder if this is why the W and Michelle meme seems to work - it's sort of presumed that Barack and Michelle don't have a functioning sexual relationship.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The public Barack Obama seems almost preternaturally devoid of appetites.

    Except for the real estate with the 7-digit price tags and the trips to Martha’s Vinyard (with clanking security detail in tow), I suppose you have a point.

  102. @reiner Tor
    Unlike McCain or Soviet Politburo members, Dubya won’t die while still in office.

    If McCain truly was the humble public servant he painted himself to be, he’d have resigned after his diagnosis, or at the very least some weeks before his death. How could he work with such an illness, especially in its terminal stage?

    By the way, depending on which part of the brain was affected, brain cancer might cloud judgment, even if it wasn’t terminal.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @kaganovitch

    One think McCain never attempted to incorporate into his persona was ‘humble public servant’.

  103. @JohnnyWalker123
    @kaganovitch

    Yes.

    The multiple U.S. invasion of Iraq have unreleashed enormous amounts of pollutants. Our invasions have left behind hundreds of tons of depleted uranium munitions and other harmful subtances. It's very plausible that the country is suffering an abysmally high cancer rate.

    See more below.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2013/04/20134210243072524.html


    Official Iraqi government statistics show that, prior to the outbreak of the First Gulf War in 1991, the rate of cancer cases in Iraq was 40 out of 100,000 people. By 1995, it had increased to 800 out of 100,000 people, and, by 2005, it had doubled to at least 1,600 out of 100,000 people. Current estimates show the increasing trend continuing. Cancer rates and congenital birth malformations in Fallujah, attributed to what many doctors and scientists believe to be weapons used by the US military during two brutal sieges against the city in 2004, have been referenced as "the highest rate of genetic damage in any population ever studied. Birth defect incidence rates in Fallujah are approximately 14 times the rate in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki areas of Japan, where the US dropped nuclear bombs."

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNi_1pbSqGY

    You'll occasionally see a commercial asking Americans to donate to a pro-veterans charity. Never will you see a commercial asking Americans to donate to a charity assisting Iraqi civilians.

    There's a mysterious absence of "white guilt" with respect to Iraq.

    Replies: @anonymous, @kaganovitch

    I primarily find it hard to believe that prewar cancer rates were 1/10 the rate of the USA.

  104. @anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Food for thought: How accurate do you think cancer (rate) statistics from third world shitholes are? Remember Iraq was a third world shithole before brief military excercises and it remained a third world shithole afterwards.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Food for thought: How accurate do you think cancer (rate) statistics from third world shitholes are?

    His thoughts on that will vary depending on what point he’s trying to make.

  105. @Sam Haysom
    @AndrewR

    That was addressed to other nations and was said in the aftermath of 9/11 it had nothing to do with the Iraq War. Why is it that paleocons even when they are right about an issue can’t resist lying and obsfucating.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @AndrewR, @Art Deco

    Why is it that paleocons even when they are right about an issue can’t resist lying and obsfucating.

    Because trash talk is the whole point. They don’t actually have any ideas about how to run anything.

  106. @njguy73
    @kaganovitch


    Also, women who are bored with sports don’t give interviews in which they say their ambition is to be NFL commissioner, as Condi did in ’02.
     
    If only she did replace Tagliabue in 2007.

    Replies: @SonOfStrom, @kaganovitch

    Very true

  107. @reiner Tor
    Unlike McCain or Soviet Politburo members, Dubya won’t die while still in office.

    If McCain truly was the humble public servant he painted himself to be, he’d have resigned after his diagnosis, or at the very least some weeks before his death. How could he work with such an illness, especially in its terminal stage?

    By the way, depending on which part of the brain was affected, brain cancer might cloud judgment, even if it wasn’t terminal.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @kaganovitch

    By the way, depending on which part of the brain was affected, brain cancer might cloud judgment, even if it wasn’t terminal.

    To borrow from Dorothy Parker “How could you tell?”

  108. e says:
    @James Kabala
    I don't know - the media really loved McCain in 2000, before he had lost anything and before anyone had ever heard of Barack Obama.

    Replies: @prusmc, @e

    They didn’t “love” him love him. They “liked” him loved him. John McCain was good for a story, good for a quote. He rarely saw a “journalist” or a camera he shied away from and he understood that a “good” quote had to be mavericky. What’s not to like when your editor has told you to get something interesting or you’re coming up on deadline?

  109. @SonOfStrom
    @njguy73

    Hey, she made it onto the CFB Playoff Committee for a while. Not a bad consolation prize.

    Replies: @njguy73

    I’m a big Condoleezza Rice fan. I’m Christian Conservative. I’d vote for her for President. I don’t necessarily agree that she should be on the committee.

    – Tommy Bowden, former Clemson coach, October 2014

    https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/10/tommy_bowden_says_condoleezza.html

  110. McCain was a criminal psychopath who deserted his first disabled wife, burnt to death with impunity several sailors, and functioned as a Hanoi Rose traitor. Our parasitic, genocidal
    anti-white-Gentile rulers blackmailed him to serve as their shabbos goy shilling for every
    Israeli war and intimidating loved ones of lost American soldiers.

  111. All of the Bushies will be martyred by the MSM, just like all the other prominent RINO’s and NeoCon’s. After eight years of Bush Derangement Syndrome they made an immediate pivot to acknowledging them and their fellow travelers as the loyal opposition (Good Repubs) the minute Tea Party populism emerged. One thing accomplished by the Tea Party was forcing the Establishment Left and Right to show their hands as essentially playing on the same team, which helped provide the gateway for Trumpsim.

  112. @CK
    @SonOfStrom

    I think that commenter Tiny Duck is all for white men mating up with black women.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    [reply to Son of Strom]

    I think that commenter Tiny Duck is all for white men mating up with black women.

    Strom himself had a, well, nuanced view of the issue as well.

  113. Here are two reasons McCain is more respected by the MSM than GWB:

    1. McCain is a real war hero, rather than a poseur like GWB.

    2. GWB fought against McCain in a dishonorable way in 2000. The black love child slander was disgusting.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Not Raul

    1. McCain is a real war hero, rather than a poseur like GWB.

    How did GWB 'pose'? He never ran on his service record a la John Kerry, nor was it ever an obtrusive part of his own presentation or discussion about him (as it has been for Robert Dole and John McCain). A note of it legitimately appeared in campaign literature because it was his f/t work for two years and he reported for drill for three additional years. The media called attention to it in 2004 in a futile attempt to demonstrate he'd gone AWOL from the Alabama National Guard and he had to requisition microfiche images of his pay stubs to prove that wasn't true.

    Replies: @prusmc

  114. @Not Raul
    Here are two reasons McCain is more respected by the MSM than GWB:

    1. McCain is a real war hero, rather than a poseur like GWB.

    2. GWB fought against McCain in a dishonorable way in 2000. The black love child slander was disgusting.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    1. McCain is a real war hero, rather than a poseur like GWB.

    How did GWB ‘pose’? He never ran on his service record a la John Kerry, nor was it ever an obtrusive part of his own presentation or discussion about him (as it has been for Robert Dole and John McCain). A note of it legitimately appeared in campaign literature because it was his f/t work for two years and he reported for drill for three additional years. The media called attention to it in 2004 in a futile attempt to demonstrate he’d gone AWOL from the Alabama National Guard and he had to requisition microfiche images of his pay stubs to prove that wasn’t true.

    • Replies: @prusmc
    @Art Deco

    Ironically, the question of W's service or lack of it did not become an issue when he ran against Algore in 2000. Probably because the media thought Gore was a safe bet.
    In 2004 Kerry ran from his convention acceptance address on-ward as a war hero. Sad for him that a number of the men he served with were still alive and sentient to tell the tale.

  115. @Dave Pinsen
    @prosa123

    I wonder if he had a physician-assisted suicide, dying the day after they announced he’d stopped treatment.

    Replies: @Purpleslog, @Olorin

    We were wondering the same thing. And just how much of a vegetable he was toward the end, and for how long. I.e., whether his terminus wasn’t politically, rather than medically or humanely, designated…for its media content effects.

    I’m hearing some mourning from leftier quarters over McCain having partnered with Lib Manqué Russ Feingold on the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform act. My recollection is that Feingold was too independent-minded for the Dems in the ’90s, as Drummond Pike, John Podesta, Stanley Greenberg, George Soros, Tom Steyer and others took the party over.

    The Progressive Movement is a front for rich Democrats
    http://archive.is/grSc5

    Feingold was the only US Senator to vote against the PATRIOT Act. But apart from that his independence was throttled back by the party and his political career truncated at the point where it might have been turned to bull moosery or whatever…had there been any models for political revival other than a harder turn left with more globalismo or even more money and wars and dead/broken bodies for Israel. So McCain is viewed as kinda the same, because of the finance reform act’s hyphen…though he was absolutely not.

  116. @Art Deco
    @Not Raul

    1. McCain is a real war hero, rather than a poseur like GWB.

    How did GWB 'pose'? He never ran on his service record a la John Kerry, nor was it ever an obtrusive part of his own presentation or discussion about him (as it has been for Robert Dole and John McCain). A note of it legitimately appeared in campaign literature because it was his f/t work for two years and he reported for drill for three additional years. The media called attention to it in 2004 in a futile attempt to demonstrate he'd gone AWOL from the Alabama National Guard and he had to requisition microfiche images of his pay stubs to prove that wasn't true.

    Replies: @prusmc

    Ironically, the question of W’s service or lack of it did not become an issue when he ran against Algore in 2000. Probably because the media thought Gore was a safe bet.
    In 2004 Kerry ran from his convention acceptance address on-ward as a war hero. Sad for him that a number of the men he served with were still alive and sentient to tell the tale.

  117. @Sam Haysom
    I’m generally more bullish about this country than most but when you compare the differing media responses to Duke Cunningham (an infinitely more accomplished pilot that McCain who didn’t get captured) to that of McCain it is kind of depressing to see how different the outcomes for two bribe taking Vietnam pilots.

    Replies: @middle aged vet . . . ., @Simply Simon

    Randy “Duke” Cunningham, a Navy ace, was a true fighter pilot in that he flew the F4-B Phantom which was designed to be an enemy interceptor armed with heat-seeking and radar guided missiles. McCain flew the A-4, a small single-seat, single-engine jet used by the Navy primarily as a fighter-bomber with the emphasis on bomber. I suspect Cunningham was a rounder who probably had great time at the Tailhook parties in Vegas. Unfortunately, after becoming a congressman fame and greed got the best of him and he did some crazy things he had to know were going to eventually get him in trouble. McCain had equal fame but was able to squirm out of misdeeds such as the Keating Five.

  118. @NickG
    @22pp22


    There are three groups in danger of genocide today.

    1). Christians in the Middle East.

    2). The tiny Republic of Armenia sandwiched between hostile Turkey and Azerbaijan.

    3). Afrikaners.
     

    Why do you suppose Afrikaners are at risk of genocide and not they other 40% of white South Africans?

    Or was it that you didn't know that Afrikaner and white South African are not synonymous?

    Replies: @22pp22

    Many of the English-speakers have British passports. But you are right. I should have said White South Africans.

  119. @JohnnyWalker123
    @gcochran

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/depleted-uranium-iraq-wars-legacy-cancer/193338/


    As instability in Iraq is forcing the United States to consider a third invasion of the Middle Eastern nation, the consequences of the first two invasions are coming into focus. For large sectors of the Iraqi population, American intervention has led to sharp spikes in the rates of congenital birth defects, premature births, miscarriages and leukemia cases.

    According to Iraqi government statistics, the rate of cancer in the country has skyrocketed from 40 per 100,000 people prior to the First Gulf War in 1991, to 800 per 100,000 in 1995, to at least 1,600 per 100,000 in 2005.

    The culprit behind all of these health issues is depleted uranium, a byproduct of uranium enrichment. With a mass fraction a third of what fissile uranium would have, depleted uranium emits less alpha radiation — up to 60 percent less than natural uranium, according to the U.S. Department of Defense. This “relative” safety offered a rationale for many nations — particularly, the U.S. — to put the waste material to use.
     

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Craken

    “The culprit behind all of these health issues is depleted uranium, a byproduct of uranium enrichment.”

    Maybe, maybe not. A pure assertion.

    ” Animal studies suggest that DU can have a negative impact on the brain, kidney, and bones of mature animals. The data also suggests that the developing animal may be at risk and that there may be a greater risk of radiation induced cancers that originally thought. But, all of this data is only suggestive until it can be tied to meaningful human research. We do not even have a reasonable idea of the typical DU intake of people living in regions where DU munitions have been used. This lack of fundamental information makes extrapolation from animal data to humans a strictly academic exercise. The few human studies that are out there are limited to military service personnel who have different exposure profile than we would expect for civilians, or the studies are limited in usefulness by their design and sample type [2].”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819790/

  120. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyD

    McCain lost mostly because Wall Street collapsed in September of 2008, which the public blamed on Bush and the Republicans. If not for that, McCain might've won. He was even in the polls before the financial crisis.

    He was pretty aggressive about campaigning in the days before the election, even when everything seemed futile.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4o1X08L7a4

    Remember "Joe the Plumber"?

    McCain didn't voluntarily surrender to Obama. He was involuntarily defeated by the extreme ineptness of President Bush.

    Bush beat McCain in 2000 and 2008......... and McCain is now inviting Bush to give the euology at his funeral.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Alec Leamas, @JohnnyD

    I think the war in Iraq had something to do with his loss too. Obama promised not to start any more stupid wars, whereas McCain doubled down on the war in Iraq, and even talked about bombing Iran and confronting the Russians over Georgia.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnnyD

    Yes, the plan was perpetual occupation. Iraq as another Germany or Korea. Big permanent bases were going to be built. Obama put a stop to that.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  121. @Alec Leamas
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I was a long time fan of McCain beginning in the 2000 primary when I first became politically aware, but my fandom sort of waned over time afterwards.

    My criticism of McCain is that he often saw political conflicts in terms of tests of him personally, in which only his personal honor or code of conduct was at stake - seemingly without realizing that the judges who measure these things tended to be people invested either in his defeat against the Democrat du jour or in use of McCain to hamstring a fellow Republican. In 2008, it wasn't only McCain's campaign - he was nominated by the votes of Millions of Republicans to zealously prosecute a campaign on their behalf for the purpose of enacting their policy preferences into law. Deciding that certain lines of attack would sully his honor - such as the perfectly legitimate question of whether candidate Obama trafficked in fringe race hatred in Rev. Wright's orbit (while himself being tarred as the perennial Republican racist) - was in my view quite selfish.

    Despite what you cite, he really did seem to think his job at the close of the 2008 campaign was to gracefully act as a midwife of the first black President.

    Someone on twitter put it quite well - people who didn't vote for McCain for President will now use his death as a cudgel against those who did. That's the tragedy of McCain as a political figure - he was only ever effective at frustrating the ends of the constituents he claimed to represent.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Extraordinarily well put.

    Odd how much he has that in common with Trump yet their results are so different.

  122. @JohnnyD
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I think the war in Iraq had something to do with his loss too. Obama promised not to start any more stupid wars, whereas McCain doubled down on the war in Iraq, and even talked about bombing Iran and confronting the Russians over Georgia.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yes, the plan was perpetual occupation. Iraq as another Germany or Korea. Big permanent bases were going to be built. Obama put a stop to that.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    Yes, the plan was perpetual occupation. Iraq as another Germany or Korea.

    There are about 35,000 American troops in Germany and 24,000 in Korea. Perhaps enough to occupy a recalcitrant area with the population of the Rhineland or of one of Korea's historical provinces if that was their purpose, not the whole country.

  123. @Anonymous
    @JohnnyD

    Yes, the plan was perpetual occupation. Iraq as another Germany or Korea. Big permanent bases were going to be built. Obama put a stop to that.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Yes, the plan was perpetual occupation. Iraq as another Germany or Korea.

    There are about 35,000 American troops in Germany and 24,000 in Korea. Perhaps enough to occupy a recalcitrant area with the population of the Rhineland or of one of Korea’s historical provinces if that was their purpose, not the whole country.

  124. @Art Deco
    @Desiderius

    There's no indication whatsoever that Laura Bush knows much or cares much about public policy. Nor had her husband been incapacitated. Nor was she controlling access to him.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    They shared a bed. He made sure not to embarrass her again.

  125. @JohnnyWalker123
    @gcochran

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/depleted-uranium-iraq-wars-legacy-cancer/193338/


    As instability in Iraq is forcing the United States to consider a third invasion of the Middle Eastern nation, the consequences of the first two invasions are coming into focus. For large sectors of the Iraqi population, American intervention has led to sharp spikes in the rates of congenital birth defects, premature births, miscarriages and leukemia cases.

    According to Iraqi government statistics, the rate of cancer in the country has skyrocketed from 40 per 100,000 people prior to the First Gulf War in 1991, to 800 per 100,000 in 1995, to at least 1,600 per 100,000 in 2005.

    The culprit behind all of these health issues is depleted uranium, a byproduct of uranium enrichment. With a mass fraction a third of what fissile uranium would have, depleted uranium emits less alpha radiation — up to 60 percent less than natural uranium, according to the U.S. Department of Defense. This “relative” safety offered a rationale for many nations — particularly, the U.S. — to put the waste material to use.
     

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Craken

    Both the 40/100,000 rate and the 1,600/100,000 rate are outside of normal rates in the world. The lowest I saw in WHO stats was about 90/100,000 (in black Africa). The highest was about 650/100,000 (in Australia). Maybe the Iraqi government’s stats are less than perfectly reliable. But, you believe Iraq descended from Saddam’s Eden to the most carcinogenic wasteland in the world 15 years later. I require at least a quasi-reliable source for such extraordinary claims.

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