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iSteve commenter Almost Missouri does an interesting study on 2010 sex ratios among whites by county across the country from Census data:

The data were divided by sex (the Census hasn’t gotten the memo about 57 genders or whatever, thankfully), and it was apparent that the sexes weren’t evenly balanced geographically. So, as a public service to white—or other—readers who want to mate with whites, here is a synopsis of the US counties with most “extra” white women and white men. (“White” here means non-Hispanic white, as defined by the Census Bureau.) Hey, News You Can Use!

He then looked at gender ratios by county among non-Hispanics of age 15-39. (I’d have gone with the 20-39 buckets, but the larger one catches prime military enlistment ages.)

… I decided to check the age cohorts of the surplus men and women. It turns out that while restricting the age cohorts to the 15-39 prime fertility window makes almost no difference for men, it completely overturns the result for women! Apparently those Rust Belt women were those who outlived their men but can’t afford or don’t want to retire to the Sun Belt.

So where the young white wimmenz at? Read on…

New York County • New York • 16934 • 110.6% • Manhattan
District of Columbia • District of Columbia • 6243 • 109.5% •
Suffolk County • Massachusetts • 5865 • 106.6% • Boston
Kings County • New York • 5017 • 102.6% • Brooklyn
Hampshire County • Massachusetts • 3606 • 115.0% • Amherst, lesbian mecca
Davidson County • Tennessee • 3562 • 104.4% • Nashville
Marion County • Indiana • 2437 • 102.7% • Indianapolis
Orange County • North Carolina • 2388 • 112.9% • Chapel Hill
Guilford County • North Carolina • 2166 • 105.7% • Greensboro
DeKalb County • Georgia • 2105 • 105.7% • metro-Atlanta
New Hanover County • North Carolina • 1963 • 106.8% • Wilmington
Harrisonburg city • Virginia • 1794 • 120.9% • Shenandoah Valley
Boone County • Missouri • 1783 • 106.1% • Columbia
Pitt County • North Carolina • 1686 • 109.4% • Greenville
Jefferson County • Alabama • 1678 • 103.2% • Birmingham
McLean County • Illinois • 1593 • 106.4% • Bloomington
Multnomah County • Oregon • 1547 • 101.5% • Portland
Philadelphia County • Pennsylvania • 1522 • 101.4% •
Essex County • Massachusetts • 1486 • 101.9% • metro-Boston

The first observation here is that almost all of these places are east of the Mississippi. Apparently the West is still too Wild as far as young women are concerned. Second observation is that blue city skankopolises have deep reserves of young white women: NYC, DC, Boston, Portland, Philly, etc. NYC by itself dwarfs the rest of the list.

But there is also a heretofore undetected seam of redstate women in the central and southern Piedmont: Nashville, Chapel Hill, Greensboro, DeKalb, Wilmington NC, Harrisonburg, Greenville NC, Birmingham. Finally, there are few semi-obscure flyover daisies: Indianapolis, Columbia MO, Bloomington IL. Outside of the metropolises, it seems young white women cluster around second- or third-tier college towns.

Almost Missouri sent me his data and I looked up various interesting counties on Wikipeida. Here are his numbers for large and/or skewed counties, with my top-of-the-head guesses for why that have more 15 to 39 year old white women than white men (over 100%) or vice-versa (under 100%):

STNAME CTYNAME Best Guess F/M 15-39 F-M
Georgia Pulaski County ??? 136% 238
Virginia Fredericksburg city U. of Mary Washington 127% 878
Virginia Harrisonburg city James Madison U, Eastern Mennonite U 121% 1,794
Massachusetts Hampshire County Lesbians, Smith & Mt. Holyoke 115% 3,606
California Madera County ???-Sierra foothills 115% 877
Indiana Grant County Rust belt Marion 114% 1,174
North Carolina Orange County Chapel Hill 113% 2,388
Maryland Wicomico County Salisbury U 111% 1,198
New York New York County Sex and the City 111% 16,934
District of Columbia District of Columbia DC 109% 6,243
North Carolina Pitt County East Carolina U. 109% 1,686
North Carolina Alamance County Elon U. 109% 1,377
Virginia Alexandria city DC 107% 1,067
Massachusetts Suffolk County Boston 107% 5,865
Illinois McLean County ISU 106% 1,593
Missouri Boone County U. of Missouri 106% 1,783
Louisiana Orleans Parish New Orleans 106% 1,270
North Carolina Guilford County UNC Greensboro 106% 2,166
Georgia DeKalb County Emory U 106% 2,105
North Carolina Durham County Duke U 105% 1,366
South Carolina York County Scots-Irish 105% 1,433
Tennessee Davidson County Nashville 104% 3,562
Maryland Baltimore city Baltimore 104% 1,277
Indiana Marion County Indianapolis 103% 2,437
New York Kings County Brooklyn 103% 5,017
Oregon Multnomah County Portlandia 102% 1,547
Pennsylvania Philadelphia County Philadelphia 101% 1,522
Texas Tarrant County Fort Worth 100% -343
North Carolina Mecklenburg County Charlotte 100% -357
Illinois Cook County Chicago: gay? 98% -8,257
Massachusetts Middlesex County Cambridge-tech? 98% -4,760
New York Queens County Queens 96% -3,301
Michigan Wayne County Detroit-brave guys? 96% -5,119
Minnesota Hennepin County Minneapolis-Cold? 96% -5,645
Texas Dallas County Dallas 96% -5,247
Arizona Maricopa County Luke AFB? 95% -16,947
Texas Harris County Houston: Gay? Oil engineering? 95% -10,667
California Contra Costa County Tech? 95% -3,302
Idaho Ada County Boise-tech? 95% -3,557
California Riverside County March AFB, gays in Palm Springs? 95% -5,829
California Alameda County Oakland-tech? 94% -5,013
New Jersey Middlesex County Tech since Edison? 94% -3,236
California Los Angeles County Gay, Aerospace, Film tech? 94% -26,719
California Orange County El Toro Marines 94% -11,995
Georgia Fulton County Atlanta 93% -5,113
Nevada Clark County Nellis AFB 93% -8,864
Washington Snohomish County Tech? 93% -6,038
California Santa Barbara County Surfing? UCSB? 93% -2,267
Michigan Oakland County Auto industry? 93% -9,633
Florida Broward County Fort Lauderdale 93% -5,916
Florida Miami-Dade County Gay? 93% -4,202
Arizona Pima County Davis Boneyard 93% -5,274
California San Luis Obispo County Vandenberg AFB 92% -2,497
Washington King County Amazon Boeing 92% -19,300
Maryland Anne Arundel County Annapolis 91% -5,388
New York Bronx County Gentrifying? 91% -1,709
Massachusetts Barnstable County Provincetown 91% -2,055
South Carolina Richland County U of SC, state capital 91% -3,177
Colorado Jefferson County Colorado School of Mines 91% -6,989
New Jersey Hudson County Wall St? 91% -4,334
Maryland Prince George’s County Andrews? 90% -2,019
California Kern County Edwards AFB 90% -4,815
California San Bernardino County Fort Irwin 89% -9,845
Virginia Newport News city Navy 89% -1,730
Texas Bexar County San Antonio 89% -10,428
New York Orange County West Point 89% -4,424
Colorado Boulder County ??? Ski bums? 89% -5,579
California Monterey County Navy 89% -2,054
California Solano County Travis AFB 89% -2,858
Illinois Lake County Great Lakes Naval Station 88% -7,474
Connecticut New London County Submarine Base 88% -3,704
Texas Bell County Fort Hood 88% -3,681
Colorado El Paso County Air Force Academy etc. 87% -12,495
California San Mateo County Tech? 87% -5,777
California San Francisco County Gay and tech 85% -11,785
Alaska Anchorage Municipality Elmendorff AFB 85% -4,718
California San Diego County Navy, Asian wives? 84% -41,149
California Santa Clara County Silicon Valley, Asian wives? 84% -15,339
New York Jefferson County Fort Drum 80% -3,609
Washington Kitsap County Naval Base 80% -7,162
Alaska Fairbanks North Star Borough Cold? 74% -3,961
North Carolina Cumberland County Fort Bragg 73% -8,518
Montana Petroleum County Petroleum County 72% -16
Hawaii Honolulu County Pearl Harbor 70% -12,647
California Kings County Oil workers? 69% -2,944
Texas El Paso County Fort Bliss 66% -7,427
Virginia Norfolk city Naval base 62% -11,231
Missouri Pulaski County Fort Leonard Wood 58% -4,564
North Carolina Onslow County Camp Lejeune 56% -18,445
Tennessee Trousdale County Prison 45% -1,653
Texas Loving County Cowboys 38% -8
Texas Bee County ??? 37% -1,528
Alaska Aleutians East Borough Fishermen 28% -62
Alaska North Slope Borough Oil 25% -638

A few comments:

The military moves a lot of young white men from their home counties in Scots-Irish and other patriotic working class places like the Appalachians to military bases. There are others who head off to do resource extraction work in energy booms and the like. That leaves young white women surplus in the Southeast, many of whom move to local college towns to study.

There’s a flow of young white women to wealthy cities such as New York County (Manhattan), where the odds are even worse than the reported 111% because of a lot of the men are gay.

Nashville is a conservative entertainment industry town with excess white women. Interestingly, Los Angeles has a F to M ratio of only 94%

Tech boomtowns like Santa Clara County, CA (Silicon Valley) have excess white men.

A couple of curious counties are two of the most beautiful, Boulder CO and Santa Barbara CA, which have big surpluses of young white men. I’m guessing ski bums and surf bums tend to be male. There’s something a little monastic about their pursuits of their superb sports.

In general, the Western half of the U.S. has a surplus of young white men. I’m guessing one driving factor for this somewhat surprising finding is that they have a lot of young Asian women. Do Asian women drive white women out of the West or cause white men to move West?

Or maybe the military sends young men out west and they like the climate and stay?

But I haven’t explored these questions in much depth since 1997.

 
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  1. More lesbians in Northampton and Easthampton than in Amherst, although Amherst doesn’t have a shortage. The roads are choked with Subarus.

    • Replies: @Director95
    @Ganderson

    How many Subarus are pulling U-Haul trailors? 10%, @20%?
    Sorry, I just found out the meaning of a "U-Haul Lesbian".

  2. Almost Missouri is far too smart to be playing second fiddle to Steve “Maximus Douchemus Covidious” Sailer, and I move that Ron Unz cancel Sailer and give the blog space to ≈Mo.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I wonder why he didn't use 2020 data. I'm pretty sure the data is 100% available now.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  3. Despite the university “image ads” that mostly showcase minorities, Columbia Mo does indeed have an ample supply of white wimmen — my future wife was right there during my college stint but I was so otherwise occupied I didn’t meet her until 10 years later out in the real world

  4. Maybe something has changed in Boulder? It was a G-R-E-A-T place to meet young women in the 1980s and 90s. No sense of a skewed ratio at all. And plenty of the women enjoyed outdoor sports, so that can’t be it.

    As for Jefferson, my hometown county next door to Boulder County, the great School of Mines isn’t (wasn’t?) enough to make the difference. Who knows?

    • Replies: @Pop Warner
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The whole area has excess young men. They don't call it Menver for nothing.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jay Fink

  5. Thank you, Almost Missouri, for digging into this. What’s the situation almost in Missouri?

    The military base theory sounds likely to be true, but I don’t know why you missed the explanation for Richland County, S. Carolina then, Steve? Fort Jackson on the east side of Columbia is a big, big basic training base. Plenty of people stick around and get counted in the census, or do they also if they are in the military and live off base?

    USC there is probably majority female, so that explanation doesn’t fit – but also, again, which of the students are counted, if any?

    I noted just above this line there is Barnstable County (Provincetown), Mass. Well, duh. I see no “gay” note, and it wouldn’t even need a question mark.

  6. There are others who do resource extraction work in energy booms

    As an aside, can anyone explain why liberals hate extraction industries so much? We all see the pros and cons but they have a special hostility.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    @Anonymous


    As an aside, can anyone explain why liberals hate extraction industries so much? We all see the pros and cons but they have a special hostility.
     
    Stupidity?
    Vapidity?
    Cupidity?

    I vote for all of the above.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @ganderson
    @Anonymous

    A lot of it is aesthetics. Apparently there's been the discovery of a bunch of new mineral deposits in the old Iron Range area of northern Minnesota. Naturally there are a number of mining companies that wish to exploit this resource. (I'm guessing Mr. Caesar could give a better summation than I can)

    The resident "Rangers", and presumably the Indians up there are in favor; Philistines that they are, they want the good paying jobs the mining district would bring. The opposition to the project comes largely from Twin Cities liberals, who don't want their playground (the Boundary Waters Canoe Area) disturbed.

    Someone closer to the scene feel free to correct me- but it sure looks that way to me.

  7. There certainly are plenty of women in NYC. I remember noticing, when I was there, how willing they were to catch my eye and smile at me. Responsive as all get out. If you want women, young man, go to NYC!

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @traducteur


    There certainly are plenty of women in NYC.
     
    Do you think this is still true after the years of the de Blasio crime hike, the pandemic lockdown, the Racial Reckoning, etc.? Certainly most of the unattached young white women that I know of in NYC have fled: some to less vibrant (often suburban) parts of town, some to where they grew up, some to cities perceived to be less crowded and dangerous (e.g., LA).

    The data I used are from the 2010 census, when NYC was still a low-crime Republican-mayored Friendstopia. Steve likes to joke about silicon-state California taking weeks to count ballots in the Information Age, but it is almost 2023 and the Census Bureau is apparently still counting up the 2020 census ... with an unlimited computer budget. So it's hard to say if the 2010 numbers represent the 2022 reality. Even the 2020 numbers, whenever they all come out, may be dubious given the census constraints that year.

    when I was there, how willing they were to catch my eye and smile at me. Responsive as all get out. If you want women, young man, go to NYC!
     
    I have a younger friend who is something of a PUA. He moved to NYC for exactly this reason and apparently did pretty well for himself. But now after a year or so of insisting that the nightly fireworks/gunfire in his barely gentrified neighborhood were all part of NYC's vibrant diversity, even he has decamped for friendlier climes.
    , @Polistra
    @traducteur


    There certainly are plenty of women in NYC. I remember noticing, when I was there, how willing they were to catch my eye and smile at me. Responsive as all get out.
     
    Yes dear, but that was 1944 and most men were fighting overseas.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Jack P
    @traducteur

    There are absolutely lots of women in NYC. But they are not likely to be smiling.

  8. No Marines in Orange County El Toro and Santa Ana are shut down. I think March field is too

  9. Do Asian women drive white women out of the West or cause white men to move West?

    It’s both. There’s a push-pull effect generated by Asian women that attracts White men and repels White women.

    Not to mention the exploding number of mixed-Asian women.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Anonymous


    Do Asian women drive white women out of the West or cause white men to move West?
     
    It’s both. There’s a push-pull effect generated by Asian women that attracts White men and repels White women.

    There is no effect.

    Attractive White women can do as they please in modern America. Doesn't matter which side of the country or how many Asians it has.

    Asians are still heavily sought after by smaller White men which is perfectly fine. It is an area where White women will discriminate.

    White women aren't as driven by money as depicted on the internet but they are pretty harsh on guys under 5'7. The weird thing is that even 5'4 White women will have this preference. They will take a convicted felon over someone that is 5'6. I saw it all the time in office world and White women will freely admit this in private.

    The only guy I knew that broke the rule had locked down his White woman in high school. And he was hilarious, as in could write comedy if he wanted to.

    Replies: @Anon

  10. Texas Loving County 38% -8

    This had been for ages the least-populous county in the land. That is, until Hawaii erected Kalawao County at Father Damien’s leper retreat on the pointy tip of Molokai. (The bulk of Molokai is in Maui County, as is all of Maui.)

    Oh, wait… The 2020 figures are in: Kalawao 82, Loving 66. People would rather live among lepers than among West Texans?

    Texas Bexar County San Antonio
    Hawaii Honolulu County Pearl Harbor

    Multiple AFBs. Since forever. My dad worked for a major USAF contractor for several years, and they sent us to both.

    Nashville is a conservative entertainment industry town with excess white women. Interestingly, Los Angeles as a F to M ratio of only 94%

    The less demanding a musical genre, the more open it is to women. Not that LA has been all that demanding in recent decades.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Reg Cæsar


    Oh, wait… The 2020 figures are in: Kalawao 82, Loving 66. People would rather live among lepers than among West Texans?
     
    Have you factored in the 3/5ths Compromise
    as it applies to Molokai?
    , @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Country music might be relatively simple, but it's competitive at the top. Most studio musicians and gigging pros are men. Likewise for all the technical, business, legal, etc. careers that go along with pop music. Of course, the number of professional musicians in Nashville or anywhere else is much smaller than, say, tech workers in SF: they won't swing a sex ratio.

  11. Steve, it’s “where ‘da white women at.”

    • LOL: John Johnson
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad

    https://youtu.be/493pL_Vbtnc

  12. At Dunkin’ or the tattoo parlor.

    • Replies: @Ebony Obelisk
    @AnotherDad

    Actually they are bearing the children of Men of Color.

    This is due to the misogyny and feminity of white “men”

  13. Regrettably: I’ll the second the Hampshire County, MA lesbian situation.

    Aside from the lesbian situation: even if straight, they are all horrible Leftists, so even a non-Lesbian will be an unpleasant date.

    Trigglypuff:

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/03/angry-sjw-demands-student-journalist-be-punished-for-filming-trigglypuff/

    Poor Cal Coolidge has to be turning in his grave.

    ————————————————————-———————-—Boston has plenty of nice young women that aren’t Leftists, get them before thirty!

    (Women tend to follow the man’s politics, I have found; once a woman has moved Rightward, I think she tends to be more Right than her man; once a woman has children, no matter the external yip-yapping and shining on and virtue signaling: women go even further to the Right: “bad schools” “rough neighborhood” “no good food markets”—-just her way of saying: don’t go there, there are a lot of terrible negroes lurking there).

  14. I lived in Columbia, Boone County, MO from 1989-2001. It’s a college town, home to Mizzou, and was horribly woke back then. Its “racial unrest” made national news in 2015. It did fire the odious Melissa Click, though.

    https://professorwatchlist.org/

    If I were guy looking for white women, I’d cross college towns off my list.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    If I were guy looking for white women, I’d cross college towns off my list.
     
    Not so fast. If he's sharp-- of mind, that is-- he can snag the smart-but-fed-up type.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Kylie

    , @Jon
    @Kylie


    It did fire the odious Melissa Click, though.

     

    And she somehow landed a tenure-track gig at Gonzaga - the small Catholic school once known for its mostly white basketball teams that always punched above their weight. Oh how the might have fallen.
    https://www.gonzaga.edu/academics/faculty-listing/detail/click

    Replies: @Kylie, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Kylie


    If I were guy looking for white women, I’d cross college towns off my list.
     
    A lot of the white women in the college towns on the list are probably there to get employment skills, such as nursing and teaching, so their experience may be less woke than for liberal arts students. But as Steve avers, for the colleges in the Piedmont, a lot of those young white women are wives-in-waiting of Scots-Irish young men in military, so you may be dealing there with a woman who is awaiting her boyfriend's mustering out of the service.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

  15. Red State?

    College towns is more like it.

    Chapel Hill, Greenville, Greensboro, Wilmington, Columbia, Bloomington…

    • Agree: Captain Tripps
  16. Steve, El Toro in Orange County has been closed since the 1990s. Marine Corps hasn’t been in the OC since then. They moved to Miramar in San Diego

    • Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @AndyUSMC

    I was stationed at El Toro in the mid- to late-80's. In terms of meeting chicks, to quote Henry Hill, it was a glorious time.

  17. McLean County IL is also home to corporate HQ of State Farm insurance. Very female industry.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Hodag

    I am sent to Bloomington Normal, IL quite often as the massive Rivian assembly plant is there (converted from the former Mitsubishi auto plant). State Farm's HQ is an impressive complex, but based on its parking lot I'd say the buildings are at best only half full these days.

  18. @Reg Cæsar

    Texas Loving County 38% -8
     
    This had been for ages the least-populous county in the land. That is, until Hawaii erected Kalawao County at Father Damien's leper retreat on the pointy tip of Molokai. (The bulk of Molokai is in Maui County, as is all of Maui.)

    Oh, wait... The 2020 figures are in: Kalawao 82, Loving 66. People would rather live among lepers than among West Texans?

    Texas Bexar County San Antonio
    Hawaii Honolulu County Pearl Harbor
     
    Multiple AFBs. Since forever. My dad worked for a major USAF contractor for several years, and they sent us to both.

    Nashville is a conservative entertainment industry town with excess white women. Interestingly, Los Angeles as a F to M ratio of only 94%
     
    The less demanding a musical genre, the more open it is to women. Not that LA has been all that demanding in recent decades.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anonymous

    Oh, wait… The 2020 figures are in: Kalawao 82, Loving 66. People would rather live among lepers than among West Texans?

    Have you factored in the 3/5ths Compromise
    as it applies to Molokai?

  19. Interesting, however, I’d say Nashville is hardly conservative. It could probably elect an AOC type. The Democrats who have migrated here seem to cluster around there. A HUGE presence of Californians.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @TNer

    Okay, but who are the nonwhites moving to Nashville to work in the music industry?

  20. Interestingly, Los Angeles as a F to M ratio of only 94%

    Immigrants skew male, everywhere, and illegals even more so.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    Immigrants skew male, everywhere

     

    Not so. In the United States immigrants have tended to skew female, especially those from East and Southeast Asia.


    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_images/SPT-Women-F1.png

    Replies: @epebble

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar

    The data were filtered to be non-Hispanic whites only, so unless there has been a lot of immigration from the Euro-periphery, immigrants shouldn't be a big factor in the results.

    Steve and I puzzled over the male skew (among young whites) of Los Angeles quite a bit. Gay in-migration was a theory of Steve and AnotherDad, which is probably at least partially true. I think there may be a more subtle answer though. Depending who's counting and how, the white population Los Angeles is somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 Jewish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles#Race_and_ethnicity

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Los_Angeles

    So whatever LA Jews are up to will have a pronounced effect on the non-Hispanic white census category in LA. I have the impression that among Jews there is significant young male migration from the Northeast to Los Angeles.

    When Horace Greeley told young New Yorkers of a century and a half ago to "Go West young man!", he meant to the wild frontier to build the nation. When Howie Greenberg tells young New Yorkers today to "Go West young man!", he means to screenwrite and do standup. So this may be the prime source of the excess young white men in LA.

    Incidentally, this means that a certain portion of the excess young white women in NYC are the Jewish girls those migrant men left behind.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ATBOTL, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon55uu

    , @HammerJack
    @Reg Cæsar

    According to mass-media propaganda,
    it's 95% women and children.


    https://i.ibb.co/N6K1V4r/Screenshot-20221007-045743-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sure, but these are non-Hispanic whites in L.A.

  21. MC MBA and DJ Statistics with their 2022 hit – Where Da Excess White Wimmin At?

    the rappers are welcome to them. who is trying to date some single white woman from NYC or DC? you’d have to be crazy. the best way to have a short, expensive marriage is to get hitched to some graduate degree holding woman who votes Democrat.

    i saw some crazy social stat that D voting women very rarely marry R voting men now, and i believe it. something like only 10% of new marriages are like that today.

    i see this happening to several guys i know, who are not that political or moderately conservative, but their wife or girlfriend has gone far off the deep end of the left thanks to constant bombardment from college, late night television, and social media.

  22. Women aren’t the choosy sex anymore when they outnumber men in cities and universities.

    Female dominated environments result in less choosy females and lower quality but greater number of mates for males.

  23. A lot of old guys (now dead) first saw Montana from a troop train. There was a lot of work here for a young guy back then.

  24. @Kylie
    I lived in Columbia, Boone County, MO from 1989-2001. It's a college town, home to Mizzou, and was horribly woke back then. Its "racial unrest" made national news in 2015. It did fire the odious Melissa Click, though.

    https://professorwatchlist.org/

    If I were guy looking for white women, I'd cross college towns off my list.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jon, @Almost Missouri

    If I were guy looking for white women, I’d cross college towns off my list.

    Not so fast. If he’s sharp– of mind, that is– he can snag the smart-but-fed-up type.

    • Agree: BosTex
    • Replies: @puttheforkdown
    @Reg Cæsar

    He can even help manage her OnlyFans with his sharp brain! Talk about a friggin' win!

    , @Kylie
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Not so fast. If he’s sharp– of mind, that is– he can snag the smart-but-fed-up type."

    What exactly is that type? Seriously, this one's new to me. The collegiate females I knew back then were insufferable, with rare exceptions. Either spoiled undergrads or hardcore feminist grad students.

    I was taken to task by a female (a walking, or rather waddling, cliche; obese single white mom with mulatto kid). Apparently some of the "women of Columbia" were offended by a word I used, "gals". Yes, really. She asked why I referred to them that way. I said I thought it was politer than "c*** face".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  25. @AnotherDad
    At Dunkin' or the tattoo parlor.

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk

    Actually they are bearing the children of Men of Color.

    This is due to the misogyny and feminity of white “men”

  26. @Reg Cæsar

    Texas Loving County 38% -8
     
    This had been for ages the least-populous county in the land. That is, until Hawaii erected Kalawao County at Father Damien's leper retreat on the pointy tip of Molokai. (The bulk of Molokai is in Maui County, as is all of Maui.)

    Oh, wait... The 2020 figures are in: Kalawao 82, Loving 66. People would rather live among lepers than among West Texans?

    Texas Bexar County San Antonio
    Hawaii Honolulu County Pearl Harbor
     
    Multiple AFBs. Since forever. My dad worked for a major USAF contractor for several years, and they sent us to both.

    Nashville is a conservative entertainment industry town with excess white women. Interestingly, Los Angeles as a F to M ratio of only 94%
     
    The less demanding a musical genre, the more open it is to women. Not that LA has been all that demanding in recent decades.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anonymous

    Country music might be relatively simple, but it’s competitive at the top. Most studio musicians and gigging pros are men. Likewise for all the technical, business, legal, etc. careers that go along with pop music. Of course, the number of professional musicians in Nashville or anywhere else is much smaller than, say, tech workers in SF: they won’t swing a sex ratio.

  27. OT: Washington School District Says Asians Aren’t ‘Students of Color’, Now Counted With White Students

    https://nextshark.com/students-of-color-washington-asians-with-whites/

    It is something to do with their definition of ‘students of color’ as underperforming.

  28. @Reg Cæsar

    Interestingly, Los Angeles as a F to M ratio of only 94%
     
    Immigrants skew male, everywhere, and illegals even more so.

    Replies: @Anon, @Almost Missouri, @HammerJack, @Steve Sailer

    Immigrants skew male, everywhere

    Not so. In the United States immigrants have tended to skew female, especially those from East and Southeast Asia.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Anon

    immigrants have tended to skew female

    Is it American men marrying foreign women? Trump alone added +2. Also, common practice among military men to bring wives from Asia.

    Replies: @Dream

  29. There’s a flow of young white women to wealthy cities such as New York County (Manhattan), where the odds are even worse than the reported 111% because of a lot of the men are gay.

    “Young white women” in Manhattan may be fun to date (i.e. have NSA sex with), but take my word for it… they’re not marriage material.

  30. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    If I were guy looking for white women, I’d cross college towns off my list.
     
    Not so fast. If he's sharp-- of mind, that is-- he can snag the smart-but-fed-up type.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Kylie

    He can even help manage her OnlyFans with his sharp brain! Talk about a friggin’ win!

  31. @AnotherDad
    Steve, it's "where 'da white women at."

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  32. So we’re turning into Canada. The response should be any one of those streetview vids from Toronto (et al) showing thousands of couples strolling by, and every single one of the WMAF.

  33. Lots of white womens in the Atlanta area? Whites who live in Hotlanta get kudos for their courage,but their brains?
    This lady on the view compared white women to cockroaches.😮Stay safe! This just in: Candace Owens is out! Go Ye!!

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    Lots of white womens in the Atlanta area? Whites who live in Hotlanta get kudos for their courage,but their brains?

    Atlanta has the corporate headquarters of some major companies like Coke, UPS and Home Depot.

    They get on TV for Shaniqua beating someone at a Waffle house but there are actually a lot of professional Whites in the surrounding area.

    , @Kaz
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    Everyone is pretty divided into their groups.

    I go to a bar one night, it's 90% white remaining 5-10% mix of asian/black/hispanic (mostly asian). Ratios are these bars are great, I feel like I'm almost outnumbered by women.

    I go to a bar another night in the Korean part of town, 80% asian remaining 10-20% mix of white/black/hispanic (mostly white). A lot more dudes here though, the ratios aren't usually as good.

    Though there definitely has been churn between how spots go from white-->black or black-->white. Buckhead used to be the go to place for young adults/college students but it's a bit of a ghost town now compared to what it was a year ago and has gotten very ratchet. They started playing too much rap/hip hop and that attracts the wrong crowds.

  34. Stevo,

    Bee County (Beeville) has multiple prisons.

    And that is prob same reason Santa Barbara County skews male: the prison in Lompoc.

    That and Vandenberg AFB.

  35. @Buzz Mohawk
    Maybe something has changed in Boulder? It was a G-R-E-A-T place to meet young women in the 1980s and 90s. No sense of a skewed ratio at all. And plenty of the women enjoyed outdoor sports, so that can't be it.

    As for Jefferson, my hometown county next door to Boulder County, the great School of Mines isn't (wasn't?) enough to make the difference. Who knows?

    Replies: @Pop Warner

    The whole area has excess young men. They don’t call it Menver for nothing.

    • LOL: cool daddy jimbo
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Pop Warner


    The whole area has excess young men. They don’t call it Menver for nothing.
     
    Anyplace where the attraction is "outdoorsy" stuff will preferentially draw men.

    You say "Colorado" and a lot of guys think "skiing, hiking, camping, climbing, biking, rafting ... in the great outdoors!" That simply doesn't appeal to as many girls. Some of whom will move to NYC to not be a model or move to DC to not change the world.
    , @Jay Fink
    @Pop Warner

    At least the women who do live there are relatively thin. Not as thin as they used to be but the least obese in the U.S, same for men. Probably due to outdoor activity but maybe high elevation has something to do with it?

    Replies: @Feryl, @Pop Warner

  36. @Kylie
    I lived in Columbia, Boone County, MO from 1989-2001. It's a college town, home to Mizzou, and was horribly woke back then. Its "racial unrest" made national news in 2015. It did fire the odious Melissa Click, though.

    https://professorwatchlist.org/

    If I were guy looking for white women, I'd cross college towns off my list.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jon, @Almost Missouri

    It did fire the odious Melissa Click, though.

    And she somehow landed a tenure-track gig at Gonzaga – the small Catholic school once known for its mostly white basketball teams that always punched above their weight. Oh how the might have fallen.
    https://www.gonzaga.edu/academics/faculty-listing/detail/click

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Jon

    "And she somehow landed a tenure-track gig at Gonzaga – the small Catholic school once known for its mostly white basketball teams that always punched above their weight."

    Also once known for its alumnus, Bing Crosby.

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Jon

    Her "full biography" on the Gonzaga web site seems to be shot full of omissions. As I recall, she was quite a shrieking red-headed harridan at Mizzou; now, her Gonzaga photo is evocative of a gray-headed Starbucks Medusa lying in a coffin in some movie version of an Edgar Allan Poe novel.

    She could be trying her sinecured new lease life on the down low though; what do I know? Each year the entering batch of Gonzaga suckas will know progressively less of this bitch's past unless she provokes them enough to look deeper.

    Note also, that she is "on sabbatical" under her office hours link. so mabe she just couldn't keep her hole shut.

  37. Is the data publicly available? Can you give some pointers on how to use the website? Is it possible to look at a narrower age category like 25-30?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @anonymous


    Is the data publicly available?
     
    If you check the comments were this first came up, you can read some discussion of this.

    The data source is a 42MB census file called "cc-est2021-all.csv" anyone can download at:

    https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/datasets/2020-2021/counties/asrh/

    Can you give some pointers on how to use the website?
     
    The census website is somewhat obscurantist, IMHO, but I'm a novice. There is a federally funded soyboy to help you though:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtdmnysIKcQ

    Is it possible to look at a narrower age category like 25-30?
     
    It is. I found that adjusting age ranges made very little difference for excess white men, but made significant differences for excess white women. Specifically, white men of all ages are in surplus around military bases (probably skew blue collar) and cyber nerd zones (probably skew white collar). Older white women cluster in the (AZ & FL) sunbelt and in rustbelt suburban rings. Younger white women cluster in Northeastern blue cities and flyover college towns. Among the younger white women, twentysomethings follow the general pattern and also temporarily cluster in Chicago, Denver, and Orlando before suddenly disappearing again when they become thirtysomethings. Or at least they did in 2010.

    Also note that my lists were ordered by absolute number of excess white men or women, while Steve's list is ordered by ratio, so he includes counties with low population but high ratio.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  38. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    If I were guy looking for white women, I’d cross college towns off my list.
     
    Not so fast. If he's sharp-- of mind, that is-- he can snag the smart-but-fed-up type.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Kylie

    “Not so fast. If he’s sharp– of mind, that is– he can snag the smart-but-fed-up type.”

    What exactly is that type? Seriously, this one’s new to me. The collegiate females I knew back then were insufferable, with rare exceptions. Either spoiled undergrads or hardcore feminist grad students.

    I was taken to task by a female (a walking, or rather waddling, cliche; obese single white mom with mulatto kid). Apparently some of the “women of Columbia” were offended by a word I used, “gals”. Yes, really. She asked why I referred to them that way. I said I thought it was politer than “c*** face”.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    What exactly is that type?
     
    There are a handful at every school. In small church groups or the College Republicans or pro-life clubs or "transphobic" events and the like.

    I just heard a talk at a pregnancy center fundraiser given by a recent graduate of St Olaf College. She joined the school's tiny pro-life group as a freshman, and watched as their hall display was trashed 13 times, to be restored at their own expense every time. The administration refused to take their complaint.

    With practical advice from something called the Equal Rights Institute (yeah, I know, terrible name), they turned things around. ERI has experimented to find which approaches work, and where. By her senior year, there was only a single incident of vandalism, and the administration was immediately responsive and sympathetic. Their booths attracted visitors. It was quite an inspiring story.

    Okay, this was at an obviously Nordic Lutheran small college, and that demographic's leftism is skin deep, Norskies being quite circumspect in their own lives. At a flagship secular megaversity such as Mizzou, conditions would be different. On the other hand, the pool would also be much larger.

    Of course, it helps greatly if the young man seeking a mate is somewhat mature himself!


    Apparently some of the “women of Columbia” were offended by a word I used, “gals”.
     
    As an Easterner, I was at first offended by the constant use of this term throughout the Midwest. It sounded so downscale, so sleazy, almost Bowery. After 40 years, I'm used to it.

    Say, did you know that "My Gal Sal" was written by Theodore Dreiser's brother? They even made a movie about him.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Kylie

  39. There’s a women’s prison at the GA. spot.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulaski_State_Prison

    Could be throwing the number off-don’t know.

    I grew up in Santa Barbara- it is somewhat of a Gay mecca. Very expensive as well-not family friendly-resort like town.

  40. @Hodag
    McLean County IL is also home to corporate HQ of State Farm insurance. Very female industry.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    I am sent to Bloomington Normal, IL quite often as the massive Rivian assembly plant is there (converted from the former Mitsubishi auto plant). State Farm’s HQ is an impressive complex, but based on its parking lot I’d say the buildings are at best only half full these days.

  41. Do not move to Pulaski County, GA for the excess girls there.

    Those girls are “trouble” … and you’ll have a little trouble taking them out for the evening.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @AnotherDad

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43TwWB5CLjU

    "Dating a convict! How could you have missed it?"

    , @Wilkey
    @AnotherDad

    Desperate times call for desperate measures. Do they employ male prison guards? Asking for a friend.

  42. New York City is really the best place for a young hetero white man. Not only are there a lot of gay white men, there are a lot of gay non-white men. And contrary to what tv commercials tell you, white women are generally not into blacks or your various wogs.

    Also, NYC white girls are high class. You’ve still got your working-class Italians, but not that many. Mostly the rougher sort are Slavs. But most white girls are career girls or college grads, they work in professional environments and want their social equal at least.

    This is not even bringing non-white girls into the equation, who rank white guys highest no matter what gay Hollywood and TV tell you. Gays are totally into bush meat and they’ve been trying to steer everyone else that way, just like they tell you everyone is a little bit gay.

    NYC girls are also very attractive, on average. Every place has its beauties, but NYC is a different standard. We moved to another state and now I think, ‘where are all the hot white women at?’

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    NYC girls are also very attractive, on average. Every place has its beauties, but NYC is a different standard. We moved to another state and now I think, ‘where are all the hot white women at?’
     
    Only one problem ... they have the vote now.
    , @John Johnson
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Well for whatever reason White women still go to NYC to "find themselves" or be girl number #2821732 to try for a career in something like fashion, music or broadway.

    Liberal cities do have more single White women than a lot of rural areas but it needs to be remembered that most of those women are not only liberal but extremely confused.

    You are correct that they don't date Blacks as often as depicted in television. But they do buy into a lot of liberal BS.

    Dealing with liberal White women becomes very tiring over a long period. They simply aren't interested in thinking about inegalitarian realities. Most aren't even conscious that they are only open to dating certain types of White men. They really think it is "by chance" that they have only dated a certain type. Or worse they hold out for a certain type that simply isn't available to them. They sit in NYC for 10 years waiting for a guy that was already taken in college.

    Gays are totally into bush meat and they’ve been trying to steer everyone else that way, just like they tell you everyone is a little bit gay.

    This is why I can't stand being around gay men. They think straight guys are at least partly like them but suppressing it. There is a hilarious youtube video where a "pray the gay away" type claims that no one actually likes women and that's ok. This is really how they think. I really had no idea that it was so strongly genetic until I had to be around gays in a business situation. I was like wow...you guys are hopeless.

    Replies: @megabar

    , @Anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Also, NYC white girls are high class. You’ve still got your working-class Italians, but not that many. Mostly the rougher sort are Slavs. But most white girls are career girls or college grads, they work in professional environments and want their social equal at least.
     
    There aren't a lot of Slavs in NYC besides some recent immigrants. More Slav types in Pennsylvania and Chicago.

    Also, the white girls in NYC (and to a lesser extent in the other major east coast metros) tend to skew "ethnic" relative to other parts of the country where more "All American" types are more the norm. Lots of Jewish girls, dark haired brunettes, art scene types, etc.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @UCSBmagyar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    You’re right in that NYC is flush with beautiful, skinny hot babes who mostly dress well.

    BUT — you’d better be a captain of industry or finance master of the universe — because those pretty girls reliving their own personal Sex & the City aren’t dating Everday Joes.

    I knew a single dude, good looking, made pretty good money in NYC — was competing for girls who were being whisked off to the Hamptons for weekend parties by dudes who could offer helicopter service.

    Same guy would have been a great catch in most places, ends up looking like a loser schlub in comparison.

    Same problem in some of the elite clubs in NYC and Miami — a great catch like this dude is trying to stand out against C and D-list actors and former pro athletes.

    Virtually impossible.

    Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I can recall visiting Manhattan for a day in 1979 with bunch of guys from Rice U. in Houston. My impression then was that the top 10% most attractive women in NYC beat Houston and even West Los Angeles. On the other hand, I can remember conversing on the subway with my Sunbelt friends over the heads of most New Yorkers, while eyeing 6'-fashion models. Manhattan seemed then like a real Bonfire of the Vanities-type place of extreme inequality avant la lettre while the taller locals lie about how egalitarian they are.

    Is it all that different now?

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

  43. Pulaski County is pretty much the middle of nowhere.

    The interstates are like rivers in olden times. If you’re too far from an interstate you might as well be Armenia. There is zero reason to detour to Pulaski County; that cone southeast between I75 and I16 might as well be Mongolia.

  44. I was wondering what the deal was with Madera, and then I remembered that the state women’s prison is in Chowchilla.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @psmith

    Thanks!

  45. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    New York City is really the best place for a young hetero white man. Not only are there a lot of gay white men, there are a lot of gay non-white men. And contrary to what tv commercials tell you, white women are generally not into blacks or your various wogs.

    Also, NYC white girls are high class. You've still got your working-class Italians, but not that many. Mostly the rougher sort are Slavs. But most white girls are career girls or college grads, they work in professional environments and want their social equal at least.

    This is not even bringing non-white girls into the equation, who rank white guys highest no matter what gay Hollywood and TV tell you. Gays are totally into bush meat and they've been trying to steer everyone else that way, just like they tell you everyone is a little bit gay.

    NYC girls are also very attractive, on average. Every place has its beauties, but NYC is a different standard. We moved to another state and now I think, 'where are all the hot white women at?'

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @John Johnson, @Anonymous, @UCSBmagyar, @Steve Sailer

    NYC girls are also very attractive, on average. Every place has its beauties, but NYC is a different standard. We moved to another state and now I think, ‘where are all the hot white women at?’

    Only one problem … they have the vote now.

  46. Nashville is a conservative entertainment industry town with excess white women.

    I dunno, it seems kind of Austin-esque. Everyone in the entertainment industry who goes there ends up performatively hyper-woke, like Molly Tuttle and Sam Outlaw, despite having shown no such tendencies pre-Nashville.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Yes, the recent influx into smaller cities like Nashville has been driven by lib leaning white college grads who do tech and other white collar work.

  47. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    New York City is really the best place for a young hetero white man. Not only are there a lot of gay white men, there are a lot of gay non-white men. And contrary to what tv commercials tell you, white women are generally not into blacks or your various wogs.

    Also, NYC white girls are high class. You've still got your working-class Italians, but not that many. Mostly the rougher sort are Slavs. But most white girls are career girls or college grads, they work in professional environments and want their social equal at least.

    This is not even bringing non-white girls into the equation, who rank white guys highest no matter what gay Hollywood and TV tell you. Gays are totally into bush meat and they've been trying to steer everyone else that way, just like they tell you everyone is a little bit gay.

    NYC girls are also very attractive, on average. Every place has its beauties, but NYC is a different standard. We moved to another state and now I think, 'where are all the hot white women at?'

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @John Johnson, @Anonymous, @UCSBmagyar, @Steve Sailer

    Well for whatever reason White women still go to NYC to “find themselves” or be girl number #2821732 to try for a career in something like fashion, music or broadway.

    Liberal cities do have more single White women than a lot of rural areas but it needs to be remembered that most of those women are not only liberal but extremely confused.

    You are correct that they don’t date Blacks as often as depicted in television. But they do buy into a lot of liberal BS.

    Dealing with liberal White women becomes very tiring over a long period. They simply aren’t interested in thinking about inegalitarian realities. Most aren’t even conscious that they are only open to dating certain types of White men. They really think it is “by chance” that they have only dated a certain type. Or worse they hold out for a certain type that simply isn’t available to them. They sit in NYC for 10 years waiting for a guy that was already taken in college.

    Gays are totally into bush meat and they’ve been trying to steer everyone else that way, just like they tell you everyone is a little bit gay.

    This is why I can’t stand being around gay men. They think straight guys are at least partly like them but suppressing it. There is a hilarious youtube video where a “pray the gay away” type claims that no one actually likes women and that’s ok. This is really how they think. I really had no idea that it was so strongly genetic until I had to be around gays in a business situation. I was like wow…you guys are hopeless.

    • Replies: @megabar
    @John Johnson

    > This is why I can’t stand being around gay men. They think straight guys are at least partly like them but suppressing it.

    Yeah, so many people can not wrap their heads around the fact that other people think differently from them. It holds true even when it's pointed out.

    I've had many conversations where someone will appear to acknowledge that people think differently, but then immediately make conclusions about how other people think based on what they think.

    Replies: @VivaLaMigra

  48. El Toro Marine base in Orange Co. closed in 1999. Is Disneyland surrounded by pedos?

  49. @psmith
    I was wondering what the deal was with Madera, and then I remembered that the state women's prison is in Chowchilla.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks!

  50. Anonymous[478] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    New York City is really the best place for a young hetero white man. Not only are there a lot of gay white men, there are a lot of gay non-white men. And contrary to what tv commercials tell you, white women are generally not into blacks or your various wogs.

    Also, NYC white girls are high class. You've still got your working-class Italians, but not that many. Mostly the rougher sort are Slavs. But most white girls are career girls or college grads, they work in professional environments and want their social equal at least.

    This is not even bringing non-white girls into the equation, who rank white guys highest no matter what gay Hollywood and TV tell you. Gays are totally into bush meat and they've been trying to steer everyone else that way, just like they tell you everyone is a little bit gay.

    NYC girls are also very attractive, on average. Every place has its beauties, but NYC is a different standard. We moved to another state and now I think, 'where are all the hot white women at?'

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @John Johnson, @Anonymous, @UCSBmagyar, @Steve Sailer

    Also, NYC white girls are high class. You’ve still got your working-class Italians, but not that many. Mostly the rougher sort are Slavs. But most white girls are career girls or college grads, they work in professional environments and want their social equal at least.

    There aren’t a lot of Slavs in NYC besides some recent immigrants. More Slav types in Pennsylvania and Chicago.

    Also, the white girls in NYC (and to a lesser extent in the other major east coast metros) tend to skew “ethnic” relative to other parts of the country where more “All American” types are more the norm. Lots of Jewish girls, dark haired brunettes, art scene types, etc.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Anonymous

    There are tons of Russians, Poles etc Ukrainians in the East Village, Yugos, etc

  51. @Anon

    Nashville is a conservative entertainment industry town with excess white women.
     
    I dunno, it seems kind of Austin-esque. Everyone in the entertainment industry who goes there ends up performatively hyper-woke, like Molly Tuttle and Sam Outlaw, despite having shown no such tendencies pre-Nashville.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yes, the recent influx into smaller cities like Nashville has been driven by lib leaning white college grads who do tech and other white collar work.

  52. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    New York City is really the best place for a young hetero white man. Not only are there a lot of gay white men, there are a lot of gay non-white men. And contrary to what tv commercials tell you, white women are generally not into blacks or your various wogs.

    Also, NYC white girls are high class. You've still got your working-class Italians, but not that many. Mostly the rougher sort are Slavs. But most white girls are career girls or college grads, they work in professional environments and want their social equal at least.

    This is not even bringing non-white girls into the equation, who rank white guys highest no matter what gay Hollywood and TV tell you. Gays are totally into bush meat and they've been trying to steer everyone else that way, just like they tell you everyone is a little bit gay.

    NYC girls are also very attractive, on average. Every place has its beauties, but NYC is a different standard. We moved to another state and now I think, 'where are all the hot white women at?'

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @John Johnson, @Anonymous, @UCSBmagyar, @Steve Sailer

    You’re right in that NYC is flush with beautiful, skinny hot babes who mostly dress well.

    BUT — you’d better be a captain of industry or finance master of the universe — because those pretty girls reliving their own personal Sex & the City aren’t dating Everday Joes.

    I knew a single dude, good looking, made pretty good money in NYC — was competing for girls who were being whisked off to the Hamptons for weekend parties by dudes who could offer helicopter service.

    Same guy would have been a great catch in most places, ends up looking like a loser schlub in comparison.

    Same problem in some of the elite clubs in NYC and Miami — a great catch like this dude is trying to stand out against C and D-list actors and former pro athletes.

    Virtually impossible.

    • Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @UCSBmagyar

    Roissy used to paint a similar picture of DC.

    In this day and age, a surplus of women, by itself, is a poor indicator of one's chances to find a mate.

    Replies: @dcite

  53. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    Immigrants skew male, everywhere

     

    Not so. In the United States immigrants have tended to skew female, especially those from East and Southeast Asia.


    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_images/SPT-Women-F1.png

    Replies: @epebble

    immigrants have tended to skew female

    Is it American men marrying foreign women? Trump alone added +2. Also, common practice among military men to bring wives from Asia.

    • Replies: @Dream
    @epebble

    Immigrants 35 and under have male surplus, while those over 35 have female surplus. It similar to the native-born population where there is a male surplus at younger ages but female surplus at older ages.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/age-sex-pyramids-immigrant-and-native-born-population-over-time

    Replies: @epebble, @Anonymous

  54. @Anonymous

    Do Asian women drive white women out of the West or cause white men to move West?
     
    It's both. There's a push-pull effect generated by Asian women that attracts White men and repels White women.

    Not to mention the exploding number of mixed-Asian women.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Do Asian women drive white women out of the West or cause white men to move West?

    It’s both. There’s a push-pull effect generated by Asian women that attracts White men and repels White women.

    There is no effect.

    Attractive White women can do as they please in modern America. Doesn’t matter which side of the country or how many Asians it has.

    Asians are still heavily sought after by smaller White men which is perfectly fine. It is an area where White women will discriminate.

    White women aren’t as driven by money as depicted on the internet but they are pretty harsh on guys under 5’7. The weird thing is that even 5’4 White women will have this preference. They will take a convicted felon over someone that is 5’6. I saw it all the time in office world and White women will freely admit this in private.

    The only guy I knew that broke the rule had locked down his White woman in high school. And he was hilarious, as in could write comedy if he wanted to.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @John Johnson


    Asians are still heavily sought after by smaller White men which is perfectly fine. It is an area where White women will discriminate.

    White women aren’t as driven by money as depicted on the internet but they are pretty harsh on guys under 5’7. The weird thing is that even 5’4 White women will have this preference.
     
    Wishful thinking from a white woman. Asian women are more discriminaory towards short potential mates: the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. There is ample statistical data to support Asian women's aversion to men of below average stature.


    So-called "attractive" White women get knocked out of any social environment with a even low percentage of Asian women. They aren't as attractive to the opposite sex as Asian women. It's just natural selection cleaning house.

    Replies: @Dream, @John Johnson

  55. @Bardon Kaldlan
    Lots of white womens in the Atlanta area? Whites who live in Hotlanta get kudos for their courage,but their brains?
    This lady on the view compared white women to cockroaches.😮Stay safe! This just in: Candace Owens is out! Go Ye!!

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Kaz

    Lots of white womens in the Atlanta area? Whites who live in Hotlanta get kudos for their courage,but their brains?

    Atlanta has the corporate headquarters of some major companies like Coke, UPS and Home Depot.

    They get on TV for Shaniqua beating someone at a Waffle house but there are actually a lot of professional Whites in the surrounding area.

    • LOL: Cool Daddy Jimbo
  56. @Jon
    @Kylie


    It did fire the odious Melissa Click, though.

     

    And she somehow landed a tenure-track gig at Gonzaga - the small Catholic school once known for its mostly white basketball teams that always punched above their weight. Oh how the might have fallen.
    https://www.gonzaga.edu/academics/faculty-listing/detail/click

    Replies: @Kylie, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    “And she somehow landed a tenure-track gig at Gonzaga – the small Catholic school once known for its mostly white basketball teams that always punched above their weight.”

    Also once known for its alumnus, Bing Crosby.

  57. @Anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Also, NYC white girls are high class. You’ve still got your working-class Italians, but not that many. Mostly the rougher sort are Slavs. But most white girls are career girls or college grads, they work in professional environments and want their social equal at least.
     
    There aren't a lot of Slavs in NYC besides some recent immigrants. More Slav types in Pennsylvania and Chicago.

    Also, the white girls in NYC (and to a lesser extent in the other major east coast metros) tend to skew "ethnic" relative to other parts of the country where more "All American" types are more the norm. Lots of Jewish girls, dark haired brunettes, art scene types, etc.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    There are tons of Russians, Poles etc Ukrainians in the East Village, Yugos, etc

  58. I am not married and have no desire to, but I wouldn’t advise men of the Republican pesuasion to go to Blue Cities like NYC, D.C or San Francisco to get wives.

    Liberal white women often have university-educated parents that inculcated in them the value of education and delaying marriage and childhood. Most liberal white women are adamant that they must have careers independent of child-rearing, and that they will only have kids when they are at least 30 years old, and many will push it up to 35 or even 40.

    There are pros and cons to dating liberal women. The “pros” is that they are more ok with weakness and sensibility in men than conservative women, who are extremely demanding on men being traditionally “manly”, and will endlessly scold and nag men if they fail to live up to that ideal. Liberals in general, both men and women, tend to be more tolerant of individual self-expression and have a more egalitarian view of the sexes*just look at Scandinavian women, the epitome of liberalism). The “cons” of dating liberal women is, again, their emphasis on equal marriage and that they are less tolerant of discriminatory views than conservative women. For instance, a conservative woman might be more tolerant of you not wanting to mingle with her gay male friends, or even not object to you not wanting her to have gay male friends in the first place. Liberal women, on the other hand, would regard you as a Neanderthal not worthy of her time if you displayed homophobia towards her gay male friends.

    The other big problem is that, among white people, liberals tend to value education more and to be more geared for success. If you are a working-class man without a college education, conservative parents might deem you worthy of their daughter if you are hard working, brave, loyal, etc. The liberal parents, conversely, will expect the boyfriend of their daughter to have attended a university at least as good as that of their daughter, if not better. If you are working class, they might still be ok with you if you are trying to get into Stanford and have a good shot at it. But if you are just a working class guy who just wants to do a trade, you won’t be very welcome into the family. These are the people, after all, that obsess even about what kindergarten their toddlers get into.

    If you compare the cultures of Texas to that of Massachussets, the cultural differences between white conservatives and white liberals become more apparent. There is reason why pretty much all the best universities in the country are in “Blue” states, and why “blue” states average higher GDP per capital incomes than “Red” states.

    Regarding physical attractiveness of liberal Vs conservative women, I noted something very interesting. Conservative women, in general, tend to have a more femiinine figure than liberal women. What I mean by this is that conservative women tend to have more sexually dimorphic traits like big breasts, big butts, and perhaps a great calling for motherhood. Liberal girls, on the other hand, while not being as womanly-looking as conservative women, tend to be more feminine than conservative women when it comes to *faces* . I lived in Manhattan for 6 years, and I can tell you that the prettiest white girls I’ve ever seen are the daughters of the liberal upper middle-class. It’s difficult to explain the difference. Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more “robust” than liberals. Liberals tend to be smaller and more delicate-looking. Liberal girls tend to be smaller, more delicate-looking and with more stereotypically feminine faces than conservative women, although liberal women seldon have voluptuous figures.

    As for behavior and personality, I disagree completely with those that say that liberal women are devoid of femininity. In fact, I think that conservative women tend to be more assertive and masculine than liberal women. Think Margaret Tatcher, Ann Coulter, “Alden”, etc.

    When you think about it, liberalism itself is a pretty feminine ideology,with it’s emphasis on social harmony, cooperation, empathy, egalitarianism, etc. I can tell you that N.Y.C uppermiddle class girls are the “ultimate” in feminine hysterics and touchy-feelingness. I know this because I dated two of them. Stay away.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Zero Philosopher

    " Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more “robust” than liberals. Liberals tend to be smaller and more delicate-looking. Liberal girls tend to be smaller, more delicate-looking and with more stereotypically feminine faces than conservative women, although liberal women seldon have voluptuous figures."

    An interesting assertion. I can't say I've particularly noticed that, but I can't say that it's wrong either.

    Replies: @Zero Philosopher, @Charlotte, @Mike Tre, @smetana

    , @BosTex
    @Zero Philosopher

    Hey Zero-

    Respectfully, you sound really strange for a guy.

    Women tend to like certain male characteristics then conform themselves to the man that they like.

    No matter the supposed “political” views that a woman has: women are awesome at justifying a radical change of direction if they like a guy.

    Currently a liberal woman?

    No problem she’ll be a hard Right conservative if she meets a guy that she really likes that tends to the Right.

    Women are just good rationalizers and can be very conformist.

    Women also like men that are:

    -lighthearted.

    -Fun to be around and funny; especially in difficult times.

    -make them feel safe.

    -family and children are number 1. You are the protector and provider for her and for your kids.

    -generally more extroverted. Women are repelled by nerdy brooders.

    -hard working, take pleasure in work and she may even help, participate, critique (after all: ladies do have a unique perspective and can be very valuable).

    -positive attitude. Life has a lot of hardship to
    It: none of that sways you too far off center and you stay happy and find a way forward.


    —————————————————————————-

    Appearance wise: you may be right. Women in Texas are more robust looking than Boston women

    Yet at the same time: women tend to be more feminine in Texas than in Boston.

    Perhaps just different cultures and a different ethnic mix.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Zero Philosopher, @John Johnson

  59. @Zero Philosopher
    I am not married and have no desire to, but I wouldn't advise men of the Republican pesuasion to go to Blue Cities like NYC, D.C or San Francisco to get wives.

    Liberal white women often have university-educated parents that inculcated in them the value of education and delaying marriage and childhood. Most liberal white women are adamant that they must have careers independent of child-rearing, and that they will only have kids when they are at least 30 years old, and many will push it up to 35 or even 40.

    There are pros and cons to dating liberal women. The "pros" is that they are more ok with weakness and sensibility in men than conservative women, who are extremely demanding on men being traditionally "manly", and will endlessly scold and nag men if they fail to live up to that ideal. Liberals in general, both men and women, tend to be more tolerant of individual self-expression and have a more egalitarian view of the sexes*just look at Scandinavian women, the epitome of liberalism). The "cons" of dating liberal women is, again, their emphasis on equal marriage and that they are less tolerant of discriminatory views than conservative women. For instance, a conservative woman might be more tolerant of you not wanting to mingle with her gay male friends, or even not object to you not wanting her to have gay male friends in the first place. Liberal women, on the other hand, would regard you as a Neanderthal not worthy of her time if you displayed homophobia towards her gay male friends.

    The other big problem is that, among white people, liberals tend to value education more and to be more geared for success. If you are a working-class man without a college education, conservative parents might deem you worthy of their daughter if you are hard working, brave, loyal, etc. The liberal parents, conversely, will expect the boyfriend of their daughter to have attended a university at least as good as that of their daughter, if not better. If you are working class, they might still be ok with you if you are trying to get into Stanford and have a good shot at it. But if you are just a working class guy who just wants to do a trade, you won't be very welcome into the family. These are the people, after all, that obsess even about what kindergarten their toddlers get into.

    If you compare the cultures of Texas to that of Massachussets, the cultural differences between white conservatives and white liberals become more apparent. There is reason why pretty much all the best universities in the country are in "Blue" states, and why "blue" states average higher GDP per capital incomes than "Red" states.

    Regarding physical attractiveness of liberal Vs conservative women, I noted something very interesting. Conservative women, in general, tend to have a more femiinine figure than liberal women. What I mean by this is that conservative women tend to have more sexually dimorphic traits like big breasts, big butts, and perhaps a great calling for motherhood. Liberal girls, on the other hand, while not being as womanly-looking as conservative women, tend to be more feminine than conservative women when it comes to *faces* . I lived in Manhattan for 6 years, and I can tell you that the prettiest white girls I've ever seen are the daughters of the liberal upper middle-class. It's difficult to explain the difference. Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more "robust" than liberals. Liberals tend to be smaller and more delicate-looking. Liberal girls tend to be smaller, more delicate-looking and with more stereotypically feminine faces than conservative women, although liberal women seldon have voluptuous figures.

    As for behavior and personality, I disagree completely with those that say that liberal women are devoid of femininity. In fact, I think that conservative women tend to be more assertive and masculine than liberal women. Think Margaret Tatcher, Ann Coulter, "Alden", etc.

    When you think about it, liberalism itself is a pretty feminine ideology,with it's emphasis on social harmony, cooperation, empathy, egalitarianism, etc. I can tell you that N.Y.C uppermiddle class girls are the "ultimate" in feminine hysterics and touchy-feelingness. I know this because I dated two of them. Stay away.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @BosTex

    ” Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more “robust” than liberals. Liberals tend to be smaller and more delicate-looking. Liberal girls tend to be smaller, more delicate-looking and with more stereotypically feminine faces than conservative women, although liberal women seldon have voluptuous figures.”

    An interesting assertion. I can’t say I’ve particularly noticed that, but I can’t say that it’s wrong either.

    • Replies: @Zero Philosopher
    @Steve Sailer

    It's completely anecdotal. I've lived both in Texas among 90% conservatives for a while and in Manhattan for 6 years where I interacted daily with upper middle-class New Yorkers who are the "ultimate" in bourgeoise liberalism. It is unusual for someone to have lived in both places, and I noticed this physical difference. At first, I dismissed it because I thought that political preference wouldn't influence physical appearance to that degree. But then I noticed a patern...

    Conservatives tend to have stronger faces than liberals. Broader faces, with more marked noses, lips and bone structure. You see this in their teeth, with conservatives far more likely to have gaps between their teeth, while liberals tend to have dainty teeth very close together. Liberals tend to be daintier looking, longer and thinner bone structure. You see this in the men.

    Conservative men tend to be bulkier than liberal men, in terms of *both* muscular weight and bodyfat. Naturally broader frames that support bigger muscles, and an easier time putting on muscle bulk. But also an easier ability to put on weight and to become fat. Most middle-aged conservative men tend to be fat or with pot bellies, while liberal men tend to remain thin more or less their entire life. More difficult time puting on muscle, but an easier time keeping the fat off.

    There also seems to be some differences at the genetic level as well. For instance, the Epsilon 4 of the ApoE gene appears to be somewhat more common in Red states than Blue states. There is some evidence that people with strong conservative views have a higher genetic tendency to have higher levels of blood cholesterol and triglycerides.. Although that could be explained by diet as well, with people in "Red" states eating more fatty foods, whuile liberals tend to watch what they eat more. Myopia, conversely, appears to be more common among areas more heavily populated with liberals. There also seems to be a difference in puberty timing as well, with conservatives entering puberty at earlier ages. U saw once a statistic that girls in Texas had an age of Menarch about 16 months younger than those in New England, alth0ugh I cannot vouch for that.

    It's interesting to compare consevative and liberal women for physical appearance. Conservative women tend to have more feminine fugures than liberal women and also more womanly inclinations like being housewive, while liberal women tend to have stereotypically more feminine faces than conserative women and also more feminine peraonalities when it comes to putting extreme emphais on social harmony, tolerance and feelings. Conservative women seem to be tougher and somewhat more manly than liberal women, and more capable ofealing with tough facts about life and making tough non-emotional decisions. Liberal girls, conversely, have ouf-of-control emotions, and simply crumble when dealing with tough facts or unpleasant people.

    , @Charlotte
    @Steve Sailer

    A case of less-masculine fathers producing more feminine daughters, while more-masculine fathers produce less feminine daughters, perhaps?

    , @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    That’s because it’s bullshit. Liberal women are typically uglier, more promiscuous, fatter, and have more mental problems.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Zero Philosopher

    , @smetana
    @Steve Sailer


    Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more “robust” than liberals.
     
    Isn't this just the Seeds of Albion and European settlement patterns?

    English and Nordic heritage on the coasts, German in the Midwest and Scots-Irish in the South.

    Replies: @Anon, @Zero Philosopher

  60. @Pop Warner
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The whole area has excess young men. They don't call it Menver for nothing.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jay Fink

    The whole area has excess young men. They don’t call it Menver for nothing.

    Anyplace where the attraction is “outdoorsy” stuff will preferentially draw men.

    You say “Colorado” and a lot of guys think “skiing, hiking, camping, climbing, biking, rafting … in the great outdoors!” That simply doesn’t appeal to as many girls. Some of whom will move to NYC to not be a model or move to DC to not change the world.

  61. @epebble
    @Anon

    immigrants have tended to skew female

    Is it American men marrying foreign women? Trump alone added +2. Also, common practice among military men to bring wives from Asia.

    Replies: @Dream

    Immigrants 35 and under have male surplus, while those over 35 have female surplus. It similar to the native-born population where there is a male surplus at younger ages but female surplus at older ages.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/age-sex-pyramids-immigrant-and-native-born-population-over-time

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Dream

    Not surprising that young immigrant men come to work and go back to bring their wives from native countries. 35 seems to be the age of marriage. The excess of females over males in the 35+ probably is the (older) American men bringing a wife from abroad for (re-)marriage.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Anonymous
    @Dream

    Read your link more carefully. It's the total immigrant population including illegals. The legal immigrant population is heavily female, especially at the youngest ages (almost all international adoptions are females).

    Replies: @Dream, @Almost Missouri

  62. Back in the 70s and 80s I traveled to many nuclear power plant construction sites.

    I learned to call them BYOP sites due to the way the construction guys would skew the gender balance of the rural locations.

    That’s “Bring your own poontang” if you hadn’t guessed.

    After a few years of operations, the ratio rebalances and the guys working at the nuke are prized for having the best jobs and highest incomes in the area.

    • LOL: BosTex
  63. Nee York City has lots above average IQ artsy white male loafers, which is probably the preferred type for white females.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Dream

    NYC is a town where money is worshipped above all other things—even more than in other big cities—and the women are by no means immune to this secular religion.

    In fact, more than one Wall Streeter of my acquaintance told me in an unguarded moment that women were the chief reason he strived to earn so much money.

    I doubt too many people are terribly surprised by any of this. And it's hard to be a loafer in NYC unless you come from a wealthy family.

  64. @Dream
    @epebble

    Immigrants 35 and under have male surplus, while those over 35 have female surplus. It similar to the native-born population where there is a male surplus at younger ages but female surplus at older ages.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/age-sex-pyramids-immigrant-and-native-born-population-over-time

    Replies: @epebble, @Anonymous

    Not surprising that young immigrant men come to work and go back to bring their wives from native countries. 35 seems to be the age of marriage. The excess of females over males in the 35+ probably is the (older) American men bringing a wife from abroad for (re-)marriage.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @epebble

    No, you're just looking a chart that includes illegals. Legal immigrants are more likely to be female at all ages, especially young (almost all adopted toddlers in the USA are female).

    Replies: @epebble

  65. Anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson
    @Anonymous


    Do Asian women drive white women out of the West or cause white men to move West?
     
    It’s both. There’s a push-pull effect generated by Asian women that attracts White men and repels White women.

    There is no effect.

    Attractive White women can do as they please in modern America. Doesn't matter which side of the country or how many Asians it has.

    Asians are still heavily sought after by smaller White men which is perfectly fine. It is an area where White women will discriminate.

    White women aren't as driven by money as depicted on the internet but they are pretty harsh on guys under 5'7. The weird thing is that even 5'4 White women will have this preference. They will take a convicted felon over someone that is 5'6. I saw it all the time in office world and White women will freely admit this in private.

    The only guy I knew that broke the rule had locked down his White woman in high school. And he was hilarious, as in could write comedy if he wanted to.

    Replies: @Anon

    Asians are still heavily sought after by smaller White men which is perfectly fine. It is an area where White women will discriminate.

    White women aren’t as driven by money as depicted on the internet but they are pretty harsh on guys under 5’7. The weird thing is that even 5’4 White women will have this preference.

    Wishful thinking from a white woman. Asian women are more discriminaory towards short potential mates: the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. There is ample statistical data to support Asian women’s aversion to men of below average stature.

    So-called “attractive” White women get knocked out of any social environment with a even low percentage of Asian women. They aren’t as attractive to the opposite sex as Asian women. It’s just natural selection cleaning house.

    • Disagree: VivaLaMigra
    • Replies: @Dream
    @Anon


    Wishful thinking from a white woman. Asian women are more discriminaory towards short potential mates: the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. There is ample statistical data to support Asian women’s aversion to men of below average stature.
     
    Given that majority of Asian American women are married to Asian men, your opinion can be safely disregarded.

    "the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. "
    Source?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @John Johnson
    @Anon

    Wishful thinking from a white woman.

    Wishful thinking? Do you even know what that means? Wishful thinking would be pretending that White women don't have any of these preferences.

    Asian women are more discriminaory towards short potential mates: the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman.

    That's because the average Asian woman in the US is 5'2 and they have a smaller SD. It's really a genetic factor and not one of discrimination. But yes I have no doubt that the average 5 foot man is completely screwed in modern America.

    So-called “attractive” White women get knocked out of any social environment with a even low percentage of Asian women.

    Not everyone shares your Asian fetish. In LA it is a thing for Asian women to date gay White men.

    Do they know if they are gay? No one knows. But there are articles about how the last stage of a closeted man is an Asian girlfriend. There is also a similar phenomenon of funny fat White women that date or even marry gay men. I've seen this one in person and it is downright bizarre. If your husband marries you for being funny it is probably not a good sign.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  66. @Zero Philosopher
    I am not married and have no desire to, but I wouldn't advise men of the Republican pesuasion to go to Blue Cities like NYC, D.C or San Francisco to get wives.

    Liberal white women often have university-educated parents that inculcated in them the value of education and delaying marriage and childhood. Most liberal white women are adamant that they must have careers independent of child-rearing, and that they will only have kids when they are at least 30 years old, and many will push it up to 35 or even 40.

    There are pros and cons to dating liberal women. The "pros" is that they are more ok with weakness and sensibility in men than conservative women, who are extremely demanding on men being traditionally "manly", and will endlessly scold and nag men if they fail to live up to that ideal. Liberals in general, both men and women, tend to be more tolerant of individual self-expression and have a more egalitarian view of the sexes*just look at Scandinavian women, the epitome of liberalism). The "cons" of dating liberal women is, again, their emphasis on equal marriage and that they are less tolerant of discriminatory views than conservative women. For instance, a conservative woman might be more tolerant of you not wanting to mingle with her gay male friends, or even not object to you not wanting her to have gay male friends in the first place. Liberal women, on the other hand, would regard you as a Neanderthal not worthy of her time if you displayed homophobia towards her gay male friends.

    The other big problem is that, among white people, liberals tend to value education more and to be more geared for success. If you are a working-class man without a college education, conservative parents might deem you worthy of their daughter if you are hard working, brave, loyal, etc. The liberal parents, conversely, will expect the boyfriend of their daughter to have attended a university at least as good as that of their daughter, if not better. If you are working class, they might still be ok with you if you are trying to get into Stanford and have a good shot at it. But if you are just a working class guy who just wants to do a trade, you won't be very welcome into the family. These are the people, after all, that obsess even about what kindergarten their toddlers get into.

    If you compare the cultures of Texas to that of Massachussets, the cultural differences between white conservatives and white liberals become more apparent. There is reason why pretty much all the best universities in the country are in "Blue" states, and why "blue" states average higher GDP per capital incomes than "Red" states.

    Regarding physical attractiveness of liberal Vs conservative women, I noted something very interesting. Conservative women, in general, tend to have a more femiinine figure than liberal women. What I mean by this is that conservative women tend to have more sexually dimorphic traits like big breasts, big butts, and perhaps a great calling for motherhood. Liberal girls, on the other hand, while not being as womanly-looking as conservative women, tend to be more feminine than conservative women when it comes to *faces* . I lived in Manhattan for 6 years, and I can tell you that the prettiest white girls I've ever seen are the daughters of the liberal upper middle-class. It's difficult to explain the difference. Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more "robust" than liberals. Liberals tend to be smaller and more delicate-looking. Liberal girls tend to be smaller, more delicate-looking and with more stereotypically feminine faces than conservative women, although liberal women seldon have voluptuous figures.

    As for behavior and personality, I disagree completely with those that say that liberal women are devoid of femininity. In fact, I think that conservative women tend to be more assertive and masculine than liberal women. Think Margaret Tatcher, Ann Coulter, "Alden", etc.

    When you think about it, liberalism itself is a pretty feminine ideology,with it's emphasis on social harmony, cooperation, empathy, egalitarianism, etc. I can tell you that N.Y.C uppermiddle class girls are the "ultimate" in feminine hysterics and touchy-feelingness. I know this because I dated two of them. Stay away.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @BosTex

    Hey Zero-

    Respectfully, you sound really strange for a guy.

    Women tend to like certain male characteristics then conform themselves to the man that they like.

    No matter the supposed “political” views that a woman has: women are awesome at justifying a radical change of direction if they like a guy.

    Currently a liberal woman?

    No problem she’ll be a hard Right conservative if she meets a guy that she really likes that tends to the Right.

    Women are just good rationalizers and can be very conformist.

    Women also like men that are:

    -lighthearted.

    -Fun to be around and funny; especially in difficult times.

    -make them feel safe.

    -family and children are number 1. You are the protector and provider for her and for your kids.

    -generally more extroverted. Women are repelled by nerdy brooders.

    -hard working, take pleasure in work and she may even help, participate, critique (after all: ladies do have a unique perspective and can be very valuable).

    -positive attitude. Life has a lot of hardship to
    It: none of that sways you too far off center and you stay happy and find a way forward.

    —————————————————————————-

    Appearance wise: you may be right. Women in Texas are more robust looking than Boston women

    Yet at the same time: women tend to be more feminine in Texas than in Boston.

    Perhaps just different cultures and a different ethnic mix.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @BosTex

    Yes, I know lots of conservative male/liberal women couples. And the marriages seem to work. Interestingly I can’t think of any examples of the converse. Even conservative/conservative the man tends to be further to the right. And a lot of prominent conservative women seem to be single or divorced. Being somewhat liberal is probably a better evolutionary strategy if you’re a woman.

    Replies: @Zero Philosopher, @Thoughts, @Brutusale

    , @Zero Philosopher
    @BosTex

    "Respectfully, you sound really strange for a guy"

    Not wanting to lose my freedom does not make me "strange for a guy". Quite the opposite.

    "Currently a liberal woman? No problem she’ll be a hard Right conservative if she meets a guy that she really likes that tends to the Right."

    No, she will not. There are genetic tendencies in being to the Right or the Left. A true liberal women finds a lot of the traits of conservative men like hunting and forming militias to be Neanderthal-like and downright creepy. You try to turn one of those daughters of urban bourgeoise liberal families into a "hard Right consrvative". It's not going to happen. Try to tell her that she doesn't own her womb, and that if she gets pregnant, even by a rapist, that she should carry the pregnancy to fruition. See how that works out. See if she falls for you.

    All those "liberal" women that marry conservative men might have a parent that was at one point a Democrat, or they might have voted Democrat as well. But they are not true committed ideological liberals.And most of these "liberal" women are in Red states anyway. Try to talk like that to a typical Manhattan girl, or from San Francisco.

    But you are right about one thing: it's even more unlikely for a conservative woman to fall for a liberal man and to get married to him. As I said, conservative women have some strong opinions on the ogligations and behavior of men, and will chastise and nag men endlessly if they fail to reach those standards. Conservative women are not attracted to liberal men because they consider them less masculine, effeminate, unattractive, etc. It is what it is. But in the end it doesn't matter because I cannot see a liberal man being happy in a marriage with a woman that drags him to Church on Sunday when he is an atheist/agnostic, and that expects him to go out into the woods every week to kill something. So the lack of attraction is mutual.

    Replies: @BosTex

    , @John Johnson
    @BosTex

    No matter the supposed “political” views that a woman has: women are awesome at justifying a radical change of direction if they like a guy.

    Currently a liberal woman?

    No problem she’ll be a hard Right conservative if she meets a guy that she really likes that tends to the Right.

    This is correct and can be seen in studies whereby single White women are reliable liberal voters while married women are not.

    Women will change most of their political beliefs for the right man. I don't know how conscious it is for them. They will also go right back to traditional religious beliefs if needed.

    What women say they want and what they end up marrying can be completely different. Again I don't know how conscious this is for them. I used to work in an office filled with White liberal women and while they would "celebrate diversity" in conversation I pretty much only saw them date one type of White man. Most were lonely and were not dating the local diversity or going out and partying. I truly expected Sex and The City but it was more like lonely girl and the television. One or two of the girls would sometimes try to drag the others to the bars but they would usually decline on account of being too tired from work. If the right man came along they would drop everything including the friends and job. But most just sat around waiting. Was quite sad but they were also annoying and arrogant from their assorted Guilt Studies degrees so I didn't pity them. But clearly a cultural problem.

    Fun to be around and funny; especially in difficult times.

    This is in fact an underrated factor. Living with someone that doesn't have a sense of humor gets old really fast. Women for whatever reason have a better sense of this. Guys will shack up with a boring but good looking woman and then later on they just want to get out of the house. Or they have kids that come out like the woman and they get surrounded by family that don't have a sense of humor. I've also seen surrounded by anti-sports family because the guy married the unathletic but cute chick.

  67. @Dream
    @epebble

    Immigrants 35 and under have male surplus, while those over 35 have female surplus. It similar to the native-born population where there is a male surplus at younger ages but female surplus at older ages.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/age-sex-pyramids-immigrant-and-native-born-population-over-time

    Replies: @epebble, @Anonymous

    Read your link more carefully. It’s the total immigrant population including illegals. The legal immigrant population is heavily female, especially at the youngest ages (almost all international adoptions are females).

    • Replies: @Dream
    @Anonymous

    The original chart only mentioned immigrants.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    Since no one knows how many illegal immigrants are entering the US every year, or even how many are already here, how can anyone know what sex all these unknown and uncounted people are?

  68. @epebble
    @Dream

    Not surprising that young immigrant men come to work and go back to bring their wives from native countries. 35 seems to be the age of marriage. The excess of females over males in the 35+ probably is the (older) American men bringing a wife from abroad for (re-)marriage.

    Replies: @Anon

    No, you’re just looking a chart that includes illegals. Legal immigrants are more likely to be female at all ages, especially young (almost all adopted toddlers in the USA are female).

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Anon

    I think employment based legal immigration (especially the Tech heavy kind) tends to skew male.

    Replies: @Anon

  69. @Steve Sailer
    @Zero Philosopher

    " Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more “robust” than liberals. Liberals tend to be smaller and more delicate-looking. Liberal girls tend to be smaller, more delicate-looking and with more stereotypically feminine faces than conservative women, although liberal women seldon have voluptuous figures."

    An interesting assertion. I can't say I've particularly noticed that, but I can't say that it's wrong either.

    Replies: @Zero Philosopher, @Charlotte, @Mike Tre, @smetana

    It’s completely anecdotal. I’ve lived both in Texas among 90% conservatives for a while and in Manhattan for 6 years where I interacted daily with upper middle-class New Yorkers who are the “ultimate” in bourgeoise liberalism. It is unusual for someone to have lived in both places, and I noticed this physical difference. At first, I dismissed it because I thought that political preference wouldn’t influence physical appearance to that degree. But then I noticed a patern…

    Conservatives tend to have stronger faces than liberals. Broader faces, with more marked noses, lips and bone structure. You see this in their teeth, with conservatives far more likely to have gaps between their teeth, while liberals tend to have dainty teeth very close together. Liberals tend to be daintier looking, longer and thinner bone structure. You see this in the men.

    Conservative men tend to be bulkier than liberal men, in terms of *both* muscular weight and bodyfat. Naturally broader frames that support bigger muscles, and an easier time putting on muscle bulk. But also an easier ability to put on weight and to become fat. Most middle-aged conservative men tend to be fat or with pot bellies, while liberal men tend to remain thin more or less their entire life. More difficult time puting on muscle, but an easier time keeping the fat off.

    There also seems to be some differences at the genetic level as well. For instance, the Epsilon 4 of the ApoE gene appears to be somewhat more common in Red states than Blue states. There is some evidence that people with strong conservative views have a higher genetic tendency to have higher levels of blood cholesterol and triglycerides.. Although that could be explained by diet as well, with people in “Red” states eating more fatty foods, whuile liberals tend to watch what they eat more. Myopia, conversely, appears to be more common among areas more heavily populated with liberals. There also seems to be a difference in puberty timing as well, with conservatives entering puberty at earlier ages. U saw once a statistic that girls in Texas had an age of Menarch about 16 months younger than those in New England, alth0ugh I cannot vouch for that.

    It’s interesting to compare consevative and liberal women for physical appearance. Conservative women tend to have more feminine fugures than liberal women and also more womanly inclinations like being housewive, while liberal women tend to have stereotypically more feminine faces than conserative women and also more feminine peraonalities when it comes to putting extreme emphais on social harmony, tolerance and feelings. Conservative women seem to be tougher and somewhat more manly than liberal women, and more capable ofealing with tough facts about life and making tough non-emotional decisions. Liberal girls, conversely, have ouf-of-control emotions, and simply crumble when dealing with tough facts or unpleasant people.

  70. @Kylie
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Not so fast. If he’s sharp– of mind, that is– he can snag the smart-but-fed-up type."

    What exactly is that type? Seriously, this one's new to me. The collegiate females I knew back then were insufferable, with rare exceptions. Either spoiled undergrads or hardcore feminist grad students.

    I was taken to task by a female (a walking, or rather waddling, cliche; obese single white mom with mulatto kid). Apparently some of the "women of Columbia" were offended by a word I used, "gals". Yes, really. She asked why I referred to them that way. I said I thought it was politer than "c*** face".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    What exactly is that type?

    There are a handful at every school. In small church groups or the College Republicans or pro-life clubs or “transphobic” events and the like.

    I just heard a talk at a pregnancy center fundraiser given by a recent graduate of St Olaf College. She joined the school’s tiny pro-life group as a freshman, and watched as their hall display was trashed 13 times, to be restored at their own expense every time. The administration refused to take their complaint.

    With practical advice from something called the Equal Rights Institute (yeah, I know, terrible name), they turned things around. ERI has experimented to find which approaches work, and where. By her senior year, there was only a single incident of vandalism, and the administration was immediately responsive and sympathetic. Their booths attracted visitors. It was quite an inspiring story.

    Okay, this was at an obviously Nordic Lutheran small college, and that demographic’s leftism is skin deep, Norskies being quite circumspect in their own lives. At a flagship secular megaversity such as Mizzou, conditions would be different. On the other hand, the pool would also be much larger.

    Of course, it helps greatly if the young man seeking a mate is somewhat mature himself!

    Apparently some of the “women of Columbia” were offended by a word I used, “gals”.

    As an Easterner, I was at first offended by the constant use of this term throughout the Midwest. It sounded so downscale, so sleazy, almost Bowery. After 40 years, I’m used to it.

    Say, did you know that “My Gal Sal” was written by Theodore Dreiser’s brother? They even made a movie about him.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar


    With practical advice from something called the Equal Rights Institute..., they turned things around. ERI has experimented to find which approaches work, and where. By her senior year, there was only a single incident of vandalism, and the administration was immediately responsive and sympathetic. Their booths attracted visitors. It was quite an inspiring story.
     
    Curious to know what that practical advice was.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Kylie
    @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks for the explanation.

    Growing up in St. Louis (graduate of Parkway West*) , I heard the word "gals" used a lot. In that context, it wasn't downscale or sleazy, just a breezy, informal variation of "girls". A middle-class woman might say, "The gals in my bridge club decided to meet on Wednesday." My great-aunt, though, always used "girls" to refer to the members of her bridge club. None of them was under the age of 75.

    "Say, did you know that “My Gal Sal” was written by Theodore Dreiser’s brother? "

    No, I didn't. I did know his brother, Paul Dresser, was a turn-of-the-last-century songwriter who wrote the best-selling "On the Banks of the Wabash, Far Away". It's the state song of Indiana and the song W. C. Fields and the burglars sing in "The Man on the Flying Trapeze".


    *https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Where%20did%20you%20go%20to%20high%20school%3F

  71. @traducteur
    There certainly are plenty of women in NYC. I remember noticing, when I was there, how willing they were to catch my eye and smile at me. Responsive as all get out. If you want women, young man, go to NYC!

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Polistra, @Jack P

    There certainly are plenty of women in NYC.

    Do you think this is still true after the years of the de Blasio crime hike, the pandemic lockdown, the Racial Reckoning, etc.? Certainly most of the unattached young white women that I know of in NYC have fled: some to less vibrant (often suburban) parts of town, some to where they grew up, some to cities perceived to be less crowded and dangerous (e.g., LA).

    The data I used are from the 2010 census, when NYC was still a low-crime Republican-mayored Friendstopia. Steve likes to joke about silicon-state California taking weeks to count ballots in the Information Age, but it is almost 2023 and the Census Bureau is apparently still counting up the 2020 census … with an unlimited computer budget. So it’s hard to say if the 2010 numbers represent the 2022 reality. Even the 2020 numbers, whenever they all come out, may be dubious given the census constraints that year.

    when I was there, how willing they were to catch my eye and smile at me. Responsive as all get out. If you want women, young man, go to NYC!

    I have a younger friend who is something of a PUA. He moved to NYC for exactly this reason and apparently did pretty well for himself. But now after a year or so of insisting that the nightly fireworks/gunfire in his barely gentrified neighborhood were all part of NYC’s vibrant diversity, even he has decamped for friendlier climes.

  72. @Anonymous
    @Dream

    Read your link more carefully. It's the total immigrant population including illegals. The legal immigrant population is heavily female, especially at the youngest ages (almost all international adoptions are females).

    Replies: @Dream, @Almost Missouri

    The original chart only mentioned immigrants.

  73. @Steve Sailer
    @Zero Philosopher

    " Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more “robust” than liberals. Liberals tend to be smaller and more delicate-looking. Liberal girls tend to be smaller, more delicate-looking and with more stereotypically feminine faces than conservative women, although liberal women seldon have voluptuous figures."

    An interesting assertion. I can't say I've particularly noticed that, but I can't say that it's wrong either.

    Replies: @Zero Philosopher, @Charlotte, @Mike Tre, @smetana

    A case of less-masculine fathers producing more feminine daughters, while more-masculine fathers produce less feminine daughters, perhaps?

  74. @Anon
    @John Johnson


    Asians are still heavily sought after by smaller White men which is perfectly fine. It is an area where White women will discriminate.

    White women aren’t as driven by money as depicted on the internet but they are pretty harsh on guys under 5’7. The weird thing is that even 5’4 White women will have this preference.
     
    Wishful thinking from a white woman. Asian women are more discriminaory towards short potential mates: the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. There is ample statistical data to support Asian women's aversion to men of below average stature.


    So-called "attractive" White women get knocked out of any social environment with a even low percentage of Asian women. They aren't as attractive to the opposite sex as Asian women. It's just natural selection cleaning house.

    Replies: @Dream, @John Johnson

    Wishful thinking from a white woman. Asian women are more discriminaory towards short potential mates: the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. There is ample statistical data to support Asian women’s aversion to men of below average stature.

    Given that majority of Asian American women are married to Asian men, your opinion can be safely disregarded.

    the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman.
    Source?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dream


    Given that majority of Asian American women are married to Asian men
     
    I hope you don't actually believe that cope. East and Southeast women, the kind of Asian women we are talking about, are more often than not married to someone of another race.


    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    Among Asian newlyweds, these gender differences exist for both immigrants (15% men, 31% women) and the U.S. born (38% men, 54% women). While the gender gap among Asian immigrants has remained relatively stable, the gap among the U.S. born has widened substantially since 1980, when intermarriage stood at 46% among newlywed Asian men and 49% among newlywed Asian women.
     
    And this is just for marriages. The majority of people in America ages 30-50 aren't married, they're a tiny minority. Most are cohabitating with a long term partner. The majority of unmarried Asian women cohabitating with white men.

    “the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. ”
    Source?
     
    Not even gonna dignify you with a response because you'll just deny the data and say "it's a small sample size" or some such cope. You can just look it up for yourself, white men married to Asian women are taller, judged as better looking and earn more money than the ones that married white. Marrying white woman today is essentially an option for downscale white men, none of them want to do it but they have no other choices really.


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274233268_The_sweetness_of_forbidden_fruit_Interracial_daters_are_more_attractive_than_intraracial_daters

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karen-Wu-4/publication/274233268/figure/fig3/AS:[email protected]/Independently-rated-physical-attractiveness-of-interracial-versus-intraracial-daters.png

    Replies: @Dream

  75. @Reg Cæsar

    Interestingly, Los Angeles as a F to M ratio of only 94%
     
    Immigrants skew male, everywhere, and illegals even more so.

    Replies: @Anon, @Almost Missouri, @HammerJack, @Steve Sailer

    The data were filtered to be non-Hispanic whites only, so unless there has been a lot of immigration from the Euro-periphery, immigrants shouldn’t be a big factor in the results.

    Steve and I puzzled over the male skew (among young whites) of Los Angeles quite a bit. Gay in-migration was a theory of Steve and AnotherDad, which is probably at least partially true. I think there may be a more subtle answer though. Depending who’s counting and how, the white population Los Angeles is somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 Jewish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles#Race_and_ethnicity

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Los_Angeles

    So whatever LA Jews are up to will have a pronounced effect on the non-Hispanic white census category in LA. I have the impression that among Jews there is significant young male migration from the Northeast to Los Angeles.

    When Horace Greeley told young New Yorkers of a century and a half ago to “Go West young man!”, he meant to the wild frontier to build the nation. When Howie Greenberg tells young New Yorkers today to “Go West young man!”, he means to screenwrite and do standup. So this may be the prime source of the excess young white men in LA.

    Incidentally, this means that a certain portion of the excess young white women in NYC are the Jewish girls those migrant men left behind.

    • Agree: Thoughts
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    Judging from the romantic comedies I've seen, white female migrants to L.A. tend to be blonder and white male migrants to L.A. tend to be funnier.

    , @ATBOTL
    @Almost Missouri

    A MENA(Middle Eastern and North African) census category would help us answer these questions better. We really need to know how many Middle Eastern people are in America.

    Replies: @Agonistes

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Almost Missouri


    The data were filtered to be non-Hispanic whites only, so unless there has been a lot of immigration from the Euro-periphery, immigrants shouldn’t be a big factor in the results.
     
    Do Persians, Armeinans, and other chain-sporting immigrants count as white?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Anon55uu
    @Almost Missouri

    From TV it seems every industry in LA is part of the entertainment industry. There is an enjoyable trashy tv show about Real Estate brokers on the west side called Million Dollar Listing Los Angeles, which broadly features gays, jews and gay jews. With one sassy half Armenian woman.

    https://www.bravotv.com/million-dollar-listing-los-angeles

  76. @Anon
    @epebble

    No, you're just looking a chart that includes illegals. Legal immigrants are more likely to be female at all ages, especially young (almost all adopted toddlers in the USA are female).

    Replies: @epebble

    I think employment based legal immigration (especially the Tech heavy kind) tends to skew male.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @epebble

    Welp, US immigration skews female, so it doesn't matter either way.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_images/SPT-Women-F1.png

    The typical legal immigrant to the USA is a female so I guess "employment based immigrants" (whatever that means) are in the minority.

  77. @Kylie
    I lived in Columbia, Boone County, MO from 1989-2001. It's a college town, home to Mizzou, and was horribly woke back then. Its "racial unrest" made national news in 2015. It did fire the odious Melissa Click, though.

    https://professorwatchlist.org/

    If I were guy looking for white women, I'd cross college towns off my list.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jon, @Almost Missouri

    If I were guy looking for white women, I’d cross college towns off my list.

    A lot of the white women in the college towns on the list are probably there to get employment skills, such as nursing and teaching, so their experience may be less woke than for liberal arts students. But as Steve avers, for the colleges in the Piedmont, a lot of those young white women are wives-in-waiting of Scots-Irish young men in military, so you may be dealing there with a woman who is awaiting her boyfriend’s mustering out of the service.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEfLMod-Wqk

    , @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri


    a lot of those young white women are wives-in-waiting of Scots-Irish young men in military, so you may be dealing there with a woman who is awaiting her boyfriend’s mustering out of the service.
     
    Why would a woman wait for her boyfriend to complete his contract before marrying him? She doesn't like the spousal benefits the armed services provide? She doesn't want to be on TriCare? She doesn't want to be able to shop at the base exchange with its much lower prices? She doesn't want to get the military discount when shopping on the local economy? She doesn't want the BAH? She doesn't want the ... ?

    And what's up with all this emphasis on Scotch-Irish (as if they were some kind of isolated breeding population) dominating the military? Most White/Latino service members come from California, Texas or New York. Most black service members come from South Carolina, Georgia or Alabama.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  78. @Pop Warner
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The whole area has excess young men. They don't call it Menver for nothing.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jay Fink

    At least the women who do live there are relatively thin. Not as thin as they used to be but the least obese in the U.S, same for men. Probably due to outdoor activity but maybe high elevation has something to do with it?

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Jay Fink

    People in the Western US are fitter because the climate is drier and sunnier thus bringing people outdoors. This is particularly true of the summer season there (even Seattle dries out to a degree). Meanwhile, in the East summer is the wettest season and below roughly the 35th parallel of latitude, summers are so blazing hot and humid that people are driven indoors. What surprised me somewhat is that Northeastern towns and megalopolises, which are relatively friendly to non-motorists compared to other regions of the country, tend to have not particularly fit underclass/working class people. So evidently just walking around a lot doesn't have much fitness benefits. You really have to engage in high intensity exercise plus avoid indulgence in food and substance abuse (speaking of which I was surprised somewhat that some parts of New England have fairly bad drug abuse issues, but then again the overall moral standards among non-upper class people begin to fall off a cliff 50 years ago, briefly improved in the mid-late 80's, then went back to getting worse in the 90's).

    , @Pop Warner
    @Jay Fink

    Yes, not only do many Colorado children grow up hiking and skiing, but migrants to the state are selected for their live of the outdoors. I've met countless people from New Jersey who settled here because the skiing is incomparably better than anything close to them, and they are very serious skiers for the most part.

  79. @anonymous
    Is the data publicly available? Can you give some pointers on how to use the website? Is it possible to look at a narrower age category like 25-30?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Is the data publicly available?

    If you check the comments were this first came up, you can read some discussion of this.

    The data source is a 42MB census file called “cc-est2021-all.csv” anyone can download at:

    https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/datasets/2020-2021/counties/asrh/

    Can you give some pointers on how to use the website?

    The census website is somewhat obscurantist, IMHO, but I’m a novice. There is a federally funded soyboy to help you though:

    Is it possible to look at a narrower age category like 25-30?

    It is. I found that adjusting age ranges made very little difference for excess white men, but made significant differences for excess white women. Specifically, white men of all ages are in surplus around military bases (probably skew blue collar) and cyber nerd zones (probably skew white collar). Older white women cluster in the (AZ & FL) sunbelt and in rustbelt suburban rings. Younger white women cluster in Northeastern blue cities and flyover college towns. Among the younger white women, twentysomethings follow the general pattern and also temporarily cluster in Chicago, Denver, and Orlando before suddenly disappearing again when they become thirtysomethings. Or at least they did in 2010.

    Also note that my lists were ordered by absolute number of excess white men or women, while Steve’s list is ordered by ratio, so he includes counties with low population but high ratio.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    There are so many thousands of counties in the US that any list of manageable size for posting, such as about 100, ends up being a selection. My list wound up being counties I found interesting because of high ratios or large size, although I also included Loving TX, which is often the least populated county in the US.

  80. @AnotherDad
    Do not move to Pulaski County, GA for the excess girls there.

    Those girls are "trouble" ... and you'll have a little trouble taking them out for the evening.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Wilkey

    “Dating a convict! How could you have missed it?”

  81. @traducteur
    There certainly are plenty of women in NYC. I remember noticing, when I was there, how willing they were to catch my eye and smile at me. Responsive as all get out. If you want women, young man, go to NYC!

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Polistra, @Jack P

    There certainly are plenty of women in NYC. I remember noticing, when I was there, how willing they were to catch my eye and smile at me. Responsive as all get out.

    Yes dear, but that was 1944 and most men were fighting overseas.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Polistra

    I was in NYC last weekend for the opera and there were a ton of good looking women, but as someone noted above, they were more thin than voluptuous. A good number of well dressed hot Asian women. Almost everybody in the city walks a good bit.

    It was pretty safe on the West side from Penn Station to Columbus Circle. No more than the usual number of crazies and bums. Subway and Times Square were crowded even at midnight. But one of my seat mates at the opera said she drove in from LI because the railroad had become so dangerous.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  82. @Reg Cæsar

    Interestingly, Los Angeles as a F to M ratio of only 94%
     
    Immigrants skew male, everywhere, and illegals even more so.

    Replies: @Anon, @Almost Missouri, @HammerJack, @Steve Sailer

    According to mass-media propaganda,
    it’s 95% women and children.

  83. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    What exactly is that type?
     
    There are a handful at every school. In small church groups or the College Republicans or pro-life clubs or "transphobic" events and the like.

    I just heard a talk at a pregnancy center fundraiser given by a recent graduate of St Olaf College. She joined the school's tiny pro-life group as a freshman, and watched as their hall display was trashed 13 times, to be restored at their own expense every time. The administration refused to take their complaint.

    With practical advice from something called the Equal Rights Institute (yeah, I know, terrible name), they turned things around. ERI has experimented to find which approaches work, and where. By her senior year, there was only a single incident of vandalism, and the administration was immediately responsive and sympathetic. Their booths attracted visitors. It was quite an inspiring story.

    Okay, this was at an obviously Nordic Lutheran small college, and that demographic's leftism is skin deep, Norskies being quite circumspect in their own lives. At a flagship secular megaversity such as Mizzou, conditions would be different. On the other hand, the pool would also be much larger.

    Of course, it helps greatly if the young man seeking a mate is somewhat mature himself!


    Apparently some of the “women of Columbia” were offended by a word I used, “gals”.
     
    As an Easterner, I was at first offended by the constant use of this term throughout the Midwest. It sounded so downscale, so sleazy, almost Bowery. After 40 years, I'm used to it.

    Say, did you know that "My Gal Sal" was written by Theodore Dreiser's brother? They even made a movie about him.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Kylie

    With practical advice from something called the Equal Rights Institute…, they turned things around. ERI has experimented to find which approaches work, and where. By her senior year, there was only a single incident of vandalism, and the administration was immediately responsive and sympathetic. Their booths attracted visitors. It was quite an inspiring story.

    Curious to know what that practical advice was.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Almost Missouri


    Curious to know what that practical advice was.
     
    I put a link in the second paragraph.
  84. @Almost Missouri
    @anonymous


    Is the data publicly available?
     
    If you check the comments were this first came up, you can read some discussion of this.

    The data source is a 42MB census file called "cc-est2021-all.csv" anyone can download at:

    https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/datasets/2020-2021/counties/asrh/

    Can you give some pointers on how to use the website?
     
    The census website is somewhat obscurantist, IMHO, but I'm a novice. There is a federally funded soyboy to help you though:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtdmnysIKcQ

    Is it possible to look at a narrower age category like 25-30?
     
    It is. I found that adjusting age ranges made very little difference for excess white men, but made significant differences for excess white women. Specifically, white men of all ages are in surplus around military bases (probably skew blue collar) and cyber nerd zones (probably skew white collar). Older white women cluster in the (AZ & FL) sunbelt and in rustbelt suburban rings. Younger white women cluster in Northeastern blue cities and flyover college towns. Among the younger white women, twentysomethings follow the general pattern and also temporarily cluster in Chicago, Denver, and Orlando before suddenly disappearing again when they become thirtysomethings. Or at least they did in 2010.

    Also note that my lists were ordered by absolute number of excess white men or women, while Steve's list is ordered by ratio, so he includes counties with low population but high ratio.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    There are so many thousands of counties in the US that any list of manageable size for posting, such as about 100, ends up being a selection. My list wound up being counties I found interesting because of high ratios or large size, although I also included Loving TX, which is often the least populated county in the US.

  85. @Almost Missouri
    @Kylie


    If I were guy looking for white women, I’d cross college towns off my list.
     
    A lot of the white women in the college towns on the list are probably there to get employment skills, such as nursing and teaching, so their experience may be less woke than for liberal arts students. But as Steve avers, for the colleges in the Piedmont, a lot of those young white women are wives-in-waiting of Scots-Irish young men in military, so you may be dealing there with a woman who is awaiting her boyfriend's mustering out of the service.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

  86. @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar

    The data were filtered to be non-Hispanic whites only, so unless there has been a lot of immigration from the Euro-periphery, immigrants shouldn't be a big factor in the results.

    Steve and I puzzled over the male skew (among young whites) of Los Angeles quite a bit. Gay in-migration was a theory of Steve and AnotherDad, which is probably at least partially true. I think there may be a more subtle answer though. Depending who's counting and how, the white population Los Angeles is somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 Jewish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles#Race_and_ethnicity

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Los_Angeles

    So whatever LA Jews are up to will have a pronounced effect on the non-Hispanic white census category in LA. I have the impression that among Jews there is significant young male migration from the Northeast to Los Angeles.

    When Horace Greeley told young New Yorkers of a century and a half ago to "Go West young man!", he meant to the wild frontier to build the nation. When Howie Greenberg tells young New Yorkers today to "Go West young man!", he means to screenwrite and do standup. So this may be the prime source of the excess young white men in LA.

    Incidentally, this means that a certain portion of the excess young white women in NYC are the Jewish girls those migrant men left behind.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ATBOTL, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon55uu

    Judging from the romantic comedies I’ve seen, white female migrants to L.A. tend to be blonder and white male migrants to L.A. tend to be funnier.

  87. I used to look at sex ratio stats a lot in the 1980s and little has changed since then it seems.

  88. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    What exactly is that type?
     
    There are a handful at every school. In small church groups or the College Republicans or pro-life clubs or "transphobic" events and the like.

    I just heard a talk at a pregnancy center fundraiser given by a recent graduate of St Olaf College. She joined the school's tiny pro-life group as a freshman, and watched as their hall display was trashed 13 times, to be restored at their own expense every time. The administration refused to take their complaint.

    With practical advice from something called the Equal Rights Institute (yeah, I know, terrible name), they turned things around. ERI has experimented to find which approaches work, and where. By her senior year, there was only a single incident of vandalism, and the administration was immediately responsive and sympathetic. Their booths attracted visitors. It was quite an inspiring story.

    Okay, this was at an obviously Nordic Lutheran small college, and that demographic's leftism is skin deep, Norskies being quite circumspect in their own lives. At a flagship secular megaversity such as Mizzou, conditions would be different. On the other hand, the pool would also be much larger.

    Of course, it helps greatly if the young man seeking a mate is somewhat mature himself!


    Apparently some of the “women of Columbia” were offended by a word I used, “gals”.
     
    As an Easterner, I was at first offended by the constant use of this term throughout the Midwest. It sounded so downscale, so sleazy, almost Bowery. After 40 years, I'm used to it.

    Say, did you know that "My Gal Sal" was written by Theodore Dreiser's brother? They even made a movie about him.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Kylie

    Thanks for the explanation.

    Growing up in St. Louis (graduate of Parkway West*) , I heard the word “gals” used a lot. In that context, it wasn’t downscale or sleazy, just a breezy, informal variation of “girls”. A middle-class woman might say, “The gals in my bridge club decided to meet on Wednesday.” My great-aunt, though, always used “girls” to refer to the members of her bridge club. None of them was under the age of 75.

    “Say, did you know that “My Gal Sal” was written by Theodore Dreiser’s brother? ”

    No, I didn’t. I did know his brother, Paul Dresser, was a turn-of-the-last-century songwriter who wrote the best-selling “On the Banks of the Wabash, Far Away”. It’s the state song of Indiana and the song W. C. Fields and the burglars sing in “The Man on the Flying Trapeze”.

    *https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Where%20did%20you%20go%20to%20high%20school%3F

  89. @Dream
    Nee York City has lots above average IQ artsy white male loafers, which is probably the preferred type for white females.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    NYC is a town where money is worshipped above all other things—even more than in other big cities—and the women are by no means immune to this secular religion.

    In fact, more than one Wall Streeter of my acquaintance told me in an unguarded moment that women were the chief reason he strived to earn so much money.

    I doubt too many people are terribly surprised by any of this. And it’s hard to be a loafer in NYC unless you come from a wealthy family.

  90. @epebble
    @Anon

    I think employment based legal immigration (especially the Tech heavy kind) tends to skew male.

    Replies: @Anon

    Welp, US immigration skews female, so it doesn’t matter either way.

    The typical legal immigrant to the USA is a female so I guess “employment based immigrants” (whatever that means) are in the minority.

  91. @Jay Fink
    @Pop Warner

    At least the women who do live there are relatively thin. Not as thin as they used to be but the least obese in the U.S, same for men. Probably due to outdoor activity but maybe high elevation has something to do with it?

    Replies: @Feryl, @Pop Warner

    People in the Western US are fitter because the climate is drier and sunnier thus bringing people outdoors. This is particularly true of the summer season there (even Seattle dries out to a degree). Meanwhile, in the East summer is the wettest season and below roughly the 35th parallel of latitude, summers are so blazing hot and humid that people are driven indoors. What surprised me somewhat is that Northeastern towns and megalopolises, which are relatively friendly to non-motorists compared to other regions of the country, tend to have not particularly fit underclass/working class people. So evidently just walking around a lot doesn’t have much fitness benefits. You really have to engage in high intensity exercise plus avoid indulgence in food and substance abuse (speaking of which I was surprised somewhat that some parts of New England have fairly bad drug abuse issues, but then again the overall moral standards among non-upper class people begin to fall off a cliff 50 years ago, briefly improved in the mid-late 80’s, then went back to getting worse in the 90’s).

  92. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    New York City is really the best place for a young hetero white man. Not only are there a lot of gay white men, there are a lot of gay non-white men. And contrary to what tv commercials tell you, white women are generally not into blacks or your various wogs.

    Also, NYC white girls are high class. You've still got your working-class Italians, but not that many. Mostly the rougher sort are Slavs. But most white girls are career girls or college grads, they work in professional environments and want their social equal at least.

    This is not even bringing non-white girls into the equation, who rank white guys highest no matter what gay Hollywood and TV tell you. Gays are totally into bush meat and they've been trying to steer everyone else that way, just like they tell you everyone is a little bit gay.

    NYC girls are also very attractive, on average. Every place has its beauties, but NYC is a different standard. We moved to another state and now I think, 'where are all the hot white women at?'

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @John Johnson, @Anonymous, @UCSBmagyar, @Steve Sailer

    I can recall visiting Manhattan for a day in 1979 with bunch of guys from Rice U. in Houston. My impression then was that the top 10% most attractive women in NYC beat Houston and even West Los Angeles. On the other hand, I can remember conversing on the subway with my Sunbelt friends over the heads of most New Yorkers, while eyeing 6′-fashion models. Manhattan seemed then like a real Bonfire of the Vanities-type place of extreme inequality avant la lettre while the taller locals lie about how egalitarian they are.

    Is it all that different now?

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Steve Sailer

    I should have said a young hetero white man over 6' tall.

  93. @Reg Cæsar

    Interestingly, Los Angeles as a F to M ratio of only 94%
     
    Immigrants skew male, everywhere, and illegals even more so.

    Replies: @Anon, @Almost Missouri, @HammerJack, @Steve Sailer

    Sure, but these are non-Hispanic whites in L.A.

  94. @TNer
    Interesting, however, I'd say Nashville is hardly conservative. It could probably elect an AOC type. The Democrats who have migrated here seem to cluster around there. A HUGE presence of Californians.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Okay, but who are the nonwhites moving to Nashville to work in the music industry?

  95. Anonymous[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dream
    @Anon


    Wishful thinking from a white woman. Asian women are more discriminaory towards short potential mates: the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. There is ample statistical data to support Asian women’s aversion to men of below average stature.
     
    Given that majority of Asian American women are married to Asian men, your opinion can be safely disregarded.

    "the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. "
    Source?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Given that majority of Asian American women are married to Asian men

    I hope you don’t actually believe that cope. East and Southeast women, the kind of Asian women we are talking about, are more often than not married to someone of another race.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    Among Asian newlyweds, these gender differences exist for both immigrants (15% men, 31% women) and the U.S. born (38% men, 54% women). While the gender gap among Asian immigrants has remained relatively stable, the gap among the U.S. born has widened substantially since 1980, when intermarriage stood at 46% among newlywed Asian men and 49% among newlywed Asian women.

    And this is just for marriages. The majority of people in America ages 30-50 aren’t married, they’re a tiny minority. Most are cohabitating with a long term partner. The majority of unmarried Asian women cohabitating with white men.

    “the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. ”
    Source?

    Not even gonna dignify you with a response because you’ll just deny the data and say “it’s a small sample size” or some such cope. You can just look it up for yourself, white men married to Asian women are taller, judged as better looking and earn more money than the ones that married white. Marrying white woman today is essentially an option for downscale white men, none of them want to do it but they have no other choices really.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274233268_The_sweetness_of_forbidden_fruit_Interracial_daters_are_more_attractive_than_intraracial_daters

    • Replies: @Dream
    @Anonymous


    I hope you don’t actually believe that cope. East and Southeast women, the kind of Asian women we are talking about, are more often than not married to someone of another race.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/
     
    Yeah, the link shows that majority of Asian women are married to Asian men. The same old inability to grasp statistics - sigh.

    And this is just for marriages. The majority of people in America ages 30-50 aren’t married, they’re a tiny minority. Most are cohabitating with a long term partner. The majority of unmarried Asian women cohabitating with white men.
     
    For US born Chinese women, a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men. Same for US born Korean women, US born Vietnamese women and US born Filipino women.
    CDC WONDER stats.

    Not even gonna dignify you with a response because you’ll just deny the data and say “it’s a small sample size” or some such cope. You can just look it up for yourself, white men married to Asian women are taller, judged as better looking and earn more money than the ones that married white. Marrying white woman today is essentially an option for downscale white men, none of them want to do it but they have no other choices really.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274233268_The_sweetness_of_forbidden_fruit_Interracial_daters_are_more_attractive_than_intraracial_daters
     
    This is even more ridiculous. You back up your claim “the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman ” by showing a study that interracial daters of various races are more attractive than non-interracial daters of various races. As astute as usual.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  96. @Intelligent Dasein
    Almost Missouri is far too smart to be playing second fiddle to Steve "Maximus Douchemus Covidious" Sailer, and I move that Ron Unz cancel Sailer and give the blog space to ≈Mo.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    I wonder why he didn’t use 2020 data. I’m pretty sure the data is 100% available now.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @AndrewR


    why he didn’t use 2020 data.
     
    Show me the Census's nationally comprehensive data on age, race, and sex in 2020 at county-level or better resolution, and I will be happy to use it.
  97. @Anonymous

    There are others who do resource extraction work in energy booms
     
    As an aside, can anyone explain why liberals hate extraction industries so much? We all see the pros and cons but they have a special hostility.

    Replies: @Captain Tripps, @ganderson

    As an aside, can anyone explain why liberals hate extraction industries so much? We all see the pros and cons but they have a special hostility.

    Stupidity?
    Vapidity?
    Cupidity?

    I vote for all of the above.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Captain Tripps

    It's called intelligence. Industry in general is fucking stupid and two steps backwards for a modern economy, but extraction is especially stupid. What do you want to be like Russia, holding a resource that literally destroys its own infrastructure if you don't keep it moving (like what's going to happen in Russia if they don't turn the oil flow on in winter when it freezes).

    The world is turning away from fossil fuels. Declining birth rates, shrinking populations and modernising economies would make investment in an energy dense resource a tremendous failure. You're just too simple minded to understand, which is why your kind got dropkicked in the back at the polls last night.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @William Badwhite, @Jim Don Bob

  98. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Captain Tripps
    @Anonymous


    As an aside, can anyone explain why liberals hate extraction industries so much? We all see the pros and cons but they have a special hostility.
     
    Stupidity?
    Vapidity?
    Cupidity?

    I vote for all of the above.

    Replies: @Anon

    It’s called intelligence. Industry in general is fucking stupid and two steps backwards for a modern economy, but extraction is especially stupid. What do you want to be like Russia, holding a resource that literally destroys its own infrastructure if you don’t keep it moving (like what’s going to happen in Russia if they don’t turn the oil flow on in winter when it freezes).

    The world is turning away from fossil fuels. Declining birth rates, shrinking populations and modernising economies would make investment in an energy dense resource a tremendous failure. You’re just too simple minded to understand, which is why your kind got dropkicked in the back at the polls last night.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    @Anon


    The world is turning away from fossil fuels. Declining birth rates, shrinking populations and modernising economies would make investment in an energy dense resource a tremendous failure.

     

    Rising standards of living in the developing world will keep demand for fossil fuels and the products of "extraction industries" extremely strong for a very long time. That's the deep cause of the inflation hitting the West now. More and more affluent people outside of the West are bidding up the prices of raw materials for the all products they want to consume. They wan't those big trucks, those big McMansions and those "big ass fries"on the side too. Sanctimonious Western liberals can't stop them.
    , @William Badwhite
    @Anon


    Declining birth rates, shrinking populations and modernising economies would make investment in an energy dense resource a tremendous failure. You’re just too simple minded to understand...
     
    Sigh, another foreigner commenting on US politics. The combination of righteous anger and being totally uninformed has me guessing Australian (the dumbest of the Anglosphere).

    Someone claiming that the world has "shrinking populations" calling other people "simple minded"...

    https://www.un.org/en/desa/world-population-projected-reach-98-billion-2050-and-112-billion-2100

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Anon


    The world is turning away from fossil fuels.
     
    Wrong, Tonto. Fossil fuels make the modern world possible.

    All the energy greening done recently to the tune of tri$$ions of dollars has reduced fossil fuels share of world wide energy consumption by about 1 percent.

    If the greenies were really serious, they would support nuclear power. But many are Luddites at heart - for others, not for themselves.
  99. @BosTex
    @Zero Philosopher

    Hey Zero-

    Respectfully, you sound really strange for a guy.

    Women tend to like certain male characteristics then conform themselves to the man that they like.

    No matter the supposed “political” views that a woman has: women are awesome at justifying a radical change of direction if they like a guy.

    Currently a liberal woman?

    No problem she’ll be a hard Right conservative if she meets a guy that she really likes that tends to the Right.

    Women are just good rationalizers and can be very conformist.

    Women also like men that are:

    -lighthearted.

    -Fun to be around and funny; especially in difficult times.

    -make them feel safe.

    -family and children are number 1. You are the protector and provider for her and for your kids.

    -generally more extroverted. Women are repelled by nerdy brooders.

    -hard working, take pleasure in work and she may even help, participate, critique (after all: ladies do have a unique perspective and can be very valuable).

    -positive attitude. Life has a lot of hardship to
    It: none of that sways you too far off center and you stay happy and find a way forward.


    —————————————————————————-

    Appearance wise: you may be right. Women in Texas are more robust looking than Boston women

    Yet at the same time: women tend to be more feminine in Texas than in Boston.

    Perhaps just different cultures and a different ethnic mix.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Zero Philosopher, @John Johnson

    Yes, I know lots of conservative male/liberal women couples. And the marriages seem to work. Interestingly I can’t think of any examples of the converse. Even conservative/conservative the man tends to be further to the right. And a lot of prominent conservative women seem to be single or divorced. Being somewhat liberal is probably a better evolutionary strategy if you’re a woman.

    • Replies: @Zero Philosopher
    @Peter Akuleyev

    True liberal women never marry or end up divorcing conservative huisbands. Intellectually,morally and emotionally, they just don't click.

    , @Thoughts
    @Peter Akuleyev

    But the kids are crazy...

    Therein lies the problem

    A conservative woman will have problems finding and making friends because Liberal women form such tight-knit authoritarian groups

    , @Brutusale
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Yes, I know lots of conservative male/liberal women couples.
     
    No you don't.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

  100. This is probably just a function of more middle class girls and women attending college now than boys/men. The life script is to go to State, get a degree in a soft subject like Sociology, and then turn paper pushing in a cubicle into some kind of Instagram worthy urban lifestyle. “Mmmm . . . Apple Cider Maple Glazed Donuts at Ishkibibble’s Donuts on 5th . . . so Autumn #LovingLife.”

    The IQ Bell Curve by sex and race (where there are fewer smart and dumb women than men), skewed by Affirmative Action, means that there are probably a larger number of white girls who are just at or above average in intelligence and high enough in diligence to be credible applicants to Universities in the modern era of expanding University enrollment to about 25% of Americans.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Sociology departments are commonly a scandal, but they also midwife only a modest share of the degrees awarded women each year (< 2%). Bracketing out natural sciences, mathematics and statistics, computer and information science, economics, and foreign languages, degrees in academics and arts account for about 28% of all degrees awarded women (of which 30% are awarded in psychology and 70% in other soft stuff). Appended to these are sketchy occupational or quasi-occupational degrees: teaching certificates (7%), communications (6%), social work and human services (2%).



    Business degrees account for 16%, nursing shy of 11%, other peri-medical occupations about 5%, biology &c about 6%.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  101. @Peter Akuleyev
    @BosTex

    Yes, I know lots of conservative male/liberal women couples. And the marriages seem to work. Interestingly I can’t think of any examples of the converse. Even conservative/conservative the man tends to be further to the right. And a lot of prominent conservative women seem to be single or divorced. Being somewhat liberal is probably a better evolutionary strategy if you’re a woman.

    Replies: @Zero Philosopher, @Thoughts, @Brutusale

    True liberal women never marry or end up divorcing conservative huisbands. Intellectually,morally and emotionally, they just don’t click.

  102. If you are a white woman in an area with a decent number of Asian women…

    You MUST get out (if you don’t marry your high school or college sweetheart)

    There is no way in hell you will marry a white man in such a scenario. My hometown is filled with single 30+ white women of average looks with no hope in high heaven of getting married to a white male.

    When I went back with my spouse to my hometown, we were the only white white couple…

    But the fun thing was, because I married So F-ing Well, We got Stares like we were Gods…

    The white men with the Asian wives were shamed by my family’s existence

    My spouse, who grew up super naïve in an all-white area, was shocked

    At a tourist spot, we had Asian Tourists ask to take photos with us…

    If you are a white male who chooses to mate outside your race, you are a fool

    For the white women of average looks who can’t compete with the Asian female menace…use a sperm donor and raise the kid to not date anyone but whites [although most of those women are liberals so…]

    And to the white women…for God’s sakes the only reason Asian females are your friends is to get access to your white male relatives…seen it 100000% times

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    @Thoughts

    There is more to “yellow fever” than is presently being discussed.
    Quite often, white women are their own worst enemy when they stop acting like women. Their embrace of rabid feminism does absolutely nothing to make them attractive to white males, but quite the opposite. They are man-hating harridans who expect white men to be “wimps”.
    White women almost always go for the "bad boy" with the fancy clothes and expensive car until their biological clock starts ticking down. This is when they start to set their sights on a "nice white guy", many who are already "taken".
    Most Asian women KNOW how to treat a man. They know when to be deferential and when to push to achieve their own interests.
    Of course, there are those who want only one thing–the coveted “green card” establishing permanent residency in the good ol’ USA, but Asian women do have an advantage by not embracing rabid man-hating feminism.
    White women would do well to “step back” and take a good look at themselves.
    This whole “women can do it all” mantra is demonstrably false and should be abandoned.
    Rabid feminist women are finally getting their "comeuppance" with mentally-ill biological males declaring themselves to be "women" and beating out biological women in organized sports.
    All one has to do is look at the evil of abortion. Murdering your own offspring for “convenience” is just downright evil.
    Just maybe the biblical story in Genesis with the female temptress encouraging the male to partake of the “forbidden fruit” has merit.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Anon
    @Thoughts

    "...you are a fool". Well maybe, but when I was in the market, white women were either crazy, leftist, cold, or all of the above.

  103. @BosTex
    @Zero Philosopher

    Hey Zero-

    Respectfully, you sound really strange for a guy.

    Women tend to like certain male characteristics then conform themselves to the man that they like.

    No matter the supposed “political” views that a woman has: women are awesome at justifying a radical change of direction if they like a guy.

    Currently a liberal woman?

    No problem she’ll be a hard Right conservative if she meets a guy that she really likes that tends to the Right.

    Women are just good rationalizers and can be very conformist.

    Women also like men that are:

    -lighthearted.

    -Fun to be around and funny; especially in difficult times.

    -make them feel safe.

    -family and children are number 1. You are the protector and provider for her and for your kids.

    -generally more extroverted. Women are repelled by nerdy brooders.

    -hard working, take pleasure in work and she may even help, participate, critique (after all: ladies do have a unique perspective and can be very valuable).

    -positive attitude. Life has a lot of hardship to
    It: none of that sways you too far off center and you stay happy and find a way forward.


    —————————————————————————-

    Appearance wise: you may be right. Women in Texas are more robust looking than Boston women

    Yet at the same time: women tend to be more feminine in Texas than in Boston.

    Perhaps just different cultures and a different ethnic mix.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Zero Philosopher, @John Johnson

    “Respectfully, you sound really strange for a guy”

    Not wanting to lose my freedom does not make me “strange for a guy”. Quite the opposite.

    “Currently a liberal woman? No problem she’ll be a hard Right conservative if she meets a guy that she really likes that tends to the Right.”

    No, she will not. There are genetic tendencies in being to the Right or the Left. A true liberal women finds a lot of the traits of conservative men like hunting and forming militias to be Neanderthal-like and downright creepy. You try to turn one of those daughters of urban bourgeoise liberal families into a “hard Right consrvative”. It’s not going to happen. Try to tell her that she doesn’t own her womb, and that if she gets pregnant, even by a rapist, that she should carry the pregnancy to fruition. See how that works out. See if she falls for you.

    All those “liberal” women that marry conservative men might have a parent that was at one point a Democrat, or they might have voted Democrat as well. But they are not true committed ideological liberals.And most of these “liberal” women are in Red states anyway. Try to talk like that to a typical Manhattan girl, or from San Francisco.

    But you are right about one thing: it’s even more unlikely for a conservative woman to fall for a liberal man and to get married to him. As I said, conservative women have some strong opinions on the ogligations and behavior of men, and will chastise and nag men endlessly if they fail to reach those standards. Conservative women are not attracted to liberal men because they consider them less masculine, effeminate, unattractive, etc. It is what it is. But in the end it doesn’t matter because I cannot see a liberal man being happy in a marriage with a woman that drags him to Church on Sunday when he is an atheist/agnostic, and that expects him to go out into the woods every week to kill something. So the lack of attraction is mutual.

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Zero Philosopher

    Thanks Zero: appreciate the reply and thoughts and will respond soon.

  104. @Peter Akuleyev
    @BosTex

    Yes, I know lots of conservative male/liberal women couples. And the marriages seem to work. Interestingly I can’t think of any examples of the converse. Even conservative/conservative the man tends to be further to the right. And a lot of prominent conservative women seem to be single or divorced. Being somewhat liberal is probably a better evolutionary strategy if you’re a woman.

    Replies: @Zero Philosopher, @Thoughts, @Brutusale

    But the kids are crazy…

    Therein lies the problem

    A conservative woman will have problems finding and making friends because Liberal women form such tight-knit authoritarian groups

  105. @John Johnson
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Well for whatever reason White women still go to NYC to "find themselves" or be girl number #2821732 to try for a career in something like fashion, music or broadway.

    Liberal cities do have more single White women than a lot of rural areas but it needs to be remembered that most of those women are not only liberal but extremely confused.

    You are correct that they don't date Blacks as often as depicted in television. But they do buy into a lot of liberal BS.

    Dealing with liberal White women becomes very tiring over a long period. They simply aren't interested in thinking about inegalitarian realities. Most aren't even conscious that they are only open to dating certain types of White men. They really think it is "by chance" that they have only dated a certain type. Or worse they hold out for a certain type that simply isn't available to them. They sit in NYC for 10 years waiting for a guy that was already taken in college.

    Gays are totally into bush meat and they’ve been trying to steer everyone else that way, just like they tell you everyone is a little bit gay.

    This is why I can't stand being around gay men. They think straight guys are at least partly like them but suppressing it. There is a hilarious youtube video where a "pray the gay away" type claims that no one actually likes women and that's ok. This is really how they think. I really had no idea that it was so strongly genetic until I had to be around gays in a business situation. I was like wow...you guys are hopeless.

    Replies: @megabar

    > This is why I can’t stand being around gay men. They think straight guys are at least partly like them but suppressing it.

    Yeah, so many people can not wrap their heads around the fact that other people think differently from them. It holds true even when it’s pointed out.

    I’ve had many conversations where someone will appear to acknowledge that people think differently, but then immediately make conclusions about how other people think based on what they think.

    • Agree: John Johnson
    • Replies: @VivaLaMigra
    @megabar

    Note to "gay" men: No, I'm not even remotely like you. I'm not putting my junk in a smelly garbage pit that has to be artificially lubricated.

  106. Obviously, not all white women are attractive, especially as the population gets fatter, but it’s clear that the Caucasian race has the most beautiful women. Is there a “black” counterpart to Grace Kelly, Rachel Welch, Ann Margaret, Ingrid Bergman, etc? I’d say that the rather few “black” women who are considered attractive or beautiful have a significant amount of white blood in them. You don’t find Halle Berry or a young Whitney Houston in Africa. Even then, some amount of er..enhancements may have contributed to the looks. You’re telling me that Beyonce Knowles’ wealthy parents didn’t spring for a NOSE JOB? As for “Asian” women, I hear “Yellow Fever” is a Thing, but leave me out. Those eye slits leave me cold. Word is that plastic surgery to achieve “round eyes” is very popular among Asian women.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @VivaLaMigra


    Is there a “black” counterpart to Grace Kelly, Rachel Welch, Ann Margaret, Ingrid Bergman, etc?
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/280x280_RS/15/56/85/155685e3cd7d45899573789a64c7bc4b.jpg
  107. @megabar
    @John Johnson

    > This is why I can’t stand being around gay men. They think straight guys are at least partly like them but suppressing it.

    Yeah, so many people can not wrap their heads around the fact that other people think differently from them. It holds true even when it's pointed out.

    I've had many conversations where someone will appear to acknowledge that people think differently, but then immediately make conclusions about how other people think based on what they think.

    Replies: @VivaLaMigra

    Note to “gay” men: No, I’m not even remotely like you. I’m not putting my junk in a smelly garbage pit that has to be artificially lubricated.

  108. @Steve Sailer
    @Zero Philosopher

    " Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more “robust” than liberals. Liberals tend to be smaller and more delicate-looking. Liberal girls tend to be smaller, more delicate-looking and with more stereotypically feminine faces than conservative women, although liberal women seldon have voluptuous figures."

    An interesting assertion. I can't say I've particularly noticed that, but I can't say that it's wrong either.

    Replies: @Zero Philosopher, @Charlotte, @Mike Tre, @smetana

    That’s because it’s bullshit. Liberal women are typically uglier, more promiscuous, fatter, and have more mental problems.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Liberalism doesn't cause mental illness. No ideology does.

    Mental illness or physical illness causes people to vote for whichever party will fund their treatment and medications. If the Republican party platform included free psychatric help for the mentally ill but otherwise stayed the same, mentaly ill people would vote Republican.

    As for fat, as yourself, why does West Virginia have a higher obesity rate than Massachusetts and Colorado?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @BosTex

    , @Zero Philosopher
    @Mike Tre

    No, your post is 100% BS. Lots and lots of conservative women are obese, ugly,don't take care of their figures, etc.

    Liberal women are ugly? Sorry, but every time I see a really pretty white girl, she tend to be from upper middle class parents who are often affluent, urban and liberal.

    More conservative women tend to have "D" cup breasts, though. That's true.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @John Johnson

  109. @Ganderson
    More lesbians in Northampton and Easthampton than in Amherst, although Amherst doesn’t have a shortage. The roads are choked with Subarus.

    Replies: @Director95

    How many Subarus are pulling U-Haul trailors? 10%, @20%?
    Sorry, I just found out the meaning of a “U-Haul Lesbian”.

  110. Greenville, NC has ECU with an important nursing school. It has a reputation as a party school (EZU) and of producing conservative grads. Chapel Hill, OTOH is the Portland of NC with hippie/commies.

  111. @Anon
    @John Johnson


    Asians are still heavily sought after by smaller White men which is perfectly fine. It is an area where White women will discriminate.

    White women aren’t as driven by money as depicted on the internet but they are pretty harsh on guys under 5’7. The weird thing is that even 5’4 White women will have this preference.
     
    Wishful thinking from a white woman. Asian women are more discriminaory towards short potential mates: the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. There is ample statistical data to support Asian women's aversion to men of below average stature.


    So-called "attractive" White women get knocked out of any social environment with a even low percentage of Asian women. They aren't as attractive to the opposite sex as Asian women. It's just natural selection cleaning house.

    Replies: @Dream, @John Johnson

    Wishful thinking from a white woman.

    Wishful thinking? Do you even know what that means? Wishful thinking would be pretending that White women don’t have any of these preferences.

    Asian women are more discriminaory towards short potential mates: the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman.

    That’s because the average Asian woman in the US is 5’2 and they have a smaller SD. It’s really a genetic factor and not one of discrimination. But yes I have no doubt that the average 5 foot man is completely screwed in modern America.

    So-called “attractive” White women get knocked out of any social environment with a even low percentage of Asian women.

    Not everyone shares your Asian fetish. In LA it is a thing for Asian women to date gay White men.

    Do they know if they are gay? No one knows. But there are articles about how the last stage of a closeted man is an Asian girlfriend. There is also a similar phenomenon of funny fat White women that date or even marry gay men. I’ve seen this one in person and it is downright bizarre. If your husband marries you for being funny it is probably not a good sign.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @John Johnson


    That’s because the average Asian woman in the US is 5’2 and they have a smaller SD. It’s really a genetic factor and not one of discrimination. But yes I have no doubt that the average 5 foot man is completely screwed in modern America.
     
    So are you brain damaged, or what? He said the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman.

    That means if the average white man married to a white woman is 5'10", the average white man married to an Asian woman is 6'0".

    Your problem is that you can't even correctly interpret what the other user is trying to tell you. Something that makes me think you may indeed be a pissed off white woman.

    Not everyone shares your Asian fetish. In LA it is a thing for Asian women to date gay White men.

    Do they know if they are gay? No one knows. But there are articles about how the last stage of a closeted man is an Asian girlfriend.
     
    So are all men closeted gays then? Because all men prefer Asian women.

    https://d3gsv3kd05i265.cloudfront.net/blog-images/2014/05/preferences1-dating-singles-meetville-matchmaking.png

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5428627.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/ok-cupid-chart.png


    There is no stereotype of closeted gay men dating Asian women. That stereotype has always fallen to white women. Something that would make sense, seeing as white women are so much more masculine and appealing to the gay man's sexual gaze.

    Your typical cuck couple on the other hand is definitely white male + white female.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  112. In my travels and life, I’ve found the most attractive and plentiful (young) White women at the University of Florida in Gainesville, FL. I’ve heard the University of GA is also well-stocked. For most attractive, exotic (though not all necessarily White), it’s the Miami International Airport.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @E. Rekshun

    When I watched the Tennessee at Georgia college football game last week it caught my attention how pretty the girls were in the stands in Athens GA.

    , @Brutusale
    @E. Rekshun

    Back in 2017 I flew down to Florida for my mom's 80th birthday. I used to occasionally give her a certain brand of bangle bracelets with religious icons, but in this instance had gotten one I'd already given her. I went out to the local Dillard's the morning before the party to find a replacement.

    The jewelry department girl may have been the most blindingly perfect woman I've ever met. The girlfriend, who'd done some local modeling while in nursing school, said she'd never met anyone who checked all the boxes like this girl, noting that, in addition to her Hall of Fame looks, she was articulate and engaging.

    The same goes for pretty much every experience down there. The waitresses are prettier, the strippers are a whole lot better looking, and, as a friend once pointed out when were were down there for spring training games, that if you picked the cream of the crop of Hooters waitresses in New England, they wouldn't be as attractive as those at any random Hooters in FL.

    I think a lot of financial guys whose firms have moved to Florida are going to find women there with the same quality looks without the emotional baggage those types carry Up North.

    A lot of diamonds in the rough in FL.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  113. @BosTex
    @Zero Philosopher

    Hey Zero-

    Respectfully, you sound really strange for a guy.

    Women tend to like certain male characteristics then conform themselves to the man that they like.

    No matter the supposed “political” views that a woman has: women are awesome at justifying a radical change of direction if they like a guy.

    Currently a liberal woman?

    No problem she’ll be a hard Right conservative if she meets a guy that she really likes that tends to the Right.

    Women are just good rationalizers and can be very conformist.

    Women also like men that are:

    -lighthearted.

    -Fun to be around and funny; especially in difficult times.

    -make them feel safe.

    -family and children are number 1. You are the protector and provider for her and for your kids.

    -generally more extroverted. Women are repelled by nerdy brooders.

    -hard working, take pleasure in work and she may even help, participate, critique (after all: ladies do have a unique perspective and can be very valuable).

    -positive attitude. Life has a lot of hardship to
    It: none of that sways you too far off center and you stay happy and find a way forward.


    —————————————————————————-

    Appearance wise: you may be right. Women in Texas are more robust looking than Boston women

    Yet at the same time: women tend to be more feminine in Texas than in Boston.

    Perhaps just different cultures and a different ethnic mix.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Zero Philosopher, @John Johnson

    No matter the supposed “political” views that a woman has: women are awesome at justifying a radical change of direction if they like a guy.

    Currently a liberal woman?

    No problem she’ll be a hard Right conservative if she meets a guy that she really likes that tends to the Right.

    This is correct and can be seen in studies whereby single White women are reliable liberal voters while married women are not.

    Women will change most of their political beliefs for the right man. I don’t know how conscious it is for them. They will also go right back to traditional religious beliefs if needed.

    What women say they want and what they end up marrying can be completely different. Again I don’t know how conscious this is for them. I used to work in an office filled with White liberal women and while they would “celebrate diversity” in conversation I pretty much only saw them date one type of White man. Most were lonely and were not dating the local diversity or going out and partying. I truly expected Sex and The City but it was more like lonely girl and the television. One or two of the girls would sometimes try to drag the others to the bars but they would usually decline on account of being too tired from work. If the right man came along they would drop everything including the friends and job. But most just sat around waiting. Was quite sad but they were also annoying and arrogant from their assorted Guilt Studies degrees so I didn’t pity them. But clearly a cultural problem.

    Fun to be around and funny; especially in difficult times.

    This is in fact an underrated factor. Living with someone that doesn’t have a sense of humor gets old really fast. Women for whatever reason have a better sense of this. Guys will shack up with a boring but good looking woman and then later on they just want to get out of the house. Or they have kids that come out like the woman and they get surrounded by family that don’t have a sense of humor. I’ve also seen surrounded by anti-sports family because the guy married the unathletic but cute chick.

  114. Anonymous[380] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson
    @Anon

    Wishful thinking from a white woman.

    Wishful thinking? Do you even know what that means? Wishful thinking would be pretending that White women don't have any of these preferences.

    Asian women are more discriminaory towards short potential mates: the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman.

    That's because the average Asian woman in the US is 5'2 and they have a smaller SD. It's really a genetic factor and not one of discrimination. But yes I have no doubt that the average 5 foot man is completely screwed in modern America.

    So-called “attractive” White women get knocked out of any social environment with a even low percentage of Asian women.

    Not everyone shares your Asian fetish. In LA it is a thing for Asian women to date gay White men.

    Do they know if they are gay? No one knows. But there are articles about how the last stage of a closeted man is an Asian girlfriend. There is also a similar phenomenon of funny fat White women that date or even marry gay men. I've seen this one in person and it is downright bizarre. If your husband marries you for being funny it is probably not a good sign.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That’s because the average Asian woman in the US is 5’2 and they have a smaller SD. It’s really a genetic factor and not one of discrimination. But yes I have no doubt that the average 5 foot man is completely screwed in modern America.

    So are you brain damaged, or what? He said the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman.

    That means if the average white man married to a white woman is 5’10”, the average white man married to an Asian woman is 6’0″.

    Your problem is that you can’t even correctly interpret what the other user is trying to tell you. Something that makes me think you may indeed be a pissed off white woman.

    Not everyone shares your Asian fetish. In LA it is a thing for Asian women to date gay White men.

    Do they know if they are gay? No one knows. But there are articles about how the last stage of a closeted man is an Asian girlfriend.

    So are all men closeted gays then? Because all men prefer Asian women.

    There is no stereotype of closeted gay men dating Asian women. That stereotype has always fallen to white women. Something that would make sense, seeing as white women are so much more masculine and appealing to the gay man’s sexual gaze.

    Your typical cuck couple on the other hand is definitely white male + white female.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous


    Because all men prefer Asian women.
     
    Are you the commenter formerly known as JohnPlywood?

    If not, please be informed that this Asian preference among younger men is a recent phenomenon, likely due to white women self-destructing.

    If so, as before I wish you well with your yellow fever.
  115. @Anonymous

    There are others who do resource extraction work in energy booms
     
    As an aside, can anyone explain why liberals hate extraction industries so much? We all see the pros and cons but they have a special hostility.

    Replies: @Captain Tripps, @ganderson

    A lot of it is aesthetics. Apparently there’s been the discovery of a bunch of new mineral deposits in the old Iron Range area of northern Minnesota. Naturally there are a number of mining companies that wish to exploit this resource. (I’m guessing Mr. Caesar could give a better summation than I can)

    The resident “Rangers”, and presumably the Indians up there are in favor; Philistines that they are, they want the good paying jobs the mining district would bring. The opposition to the project comes largely from Twin Cities liberals, who don’t want their playground (the Boundary Waters Canoe Area) disturbed.

    Someone closer to the scene feel free to correct me- but it sure looks that way to me.

  116. @AndyUSMC
    Steve, El Toro in Orange County has been closed since the 1990s. Marine Corps hasn’t been in the OC since then. They moved to Miramar in San Diego

    Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    I was stationed at El Toro in the mid- to late-80’s. In terms of meeting chicks, to quote Henry Hill, it was a glorious time.

  117. @Jon
    @Kylie


    It did fire the odious Melissa Click, though.

     

    And she somehow landed a tenure-track gig at Gonzaga - the small Catholic school once known for its mostly white basketball teams that always punched above their weight. Oh how the might have fallen.
    https://www.gonzaga.edu/academics/faculty-listing/detail/click

    Replies: @Kylie, @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Her “full biography” on the Gonzaga web site seems to be shot full of omissions. As I recall, she was quite a shrieking red-headed harridan at Mizzou; now, her Gonzaga photo is evocative of a gray-headed Starbucks Medusa lying in a coffin in some movie version of an Edgar Allan Poe novel.

    She could be trying her sinecured new lease life on the down low though; what do I know? Each year the entering batch of Gonzaga suckas will know progressively less of this bitch’s past unless she provokes them enough to look deeper.

    Note also, that she is “on sabbatical” under her office hours link. so mabe she just couldn’t keep her hole shut.

  118. @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar

    The data were filtered to be non-Hispanic whites only, so unless there has been a lot of immigration from the Euro-periphery, immigrants shouldn't be a big factor in the results.

    Steve and I puzzled over the male skew (among young whites) of Los Angeles quite a bit. Gay in-migration was a theory of Steve and AnotherDad, which is probably at least partially true. I think there may be a more subtle answer though. Depending who's counting and how, the white population Los Angeles is somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 Jewish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles#Race_and_ethnicity

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Los_Angeles

    So whatever LA Jews are up to will have a pronounced effect on the non-Hispanic white census category in LA. I have the impression that among Jews there is significant young male migration from the Northeast to Los Angeles.

    When Horace Greeley told young New Yorkers of a century and a half ago to "Go West young man!", he meant to the wild frontier to build the nation. When Howie Greenberg tells young New Yorkers today to "Go West young man!", he means to screenwrite and do standup. So this may be the prime source of the excess young white men in LA.

    Incidentally, this means that a certain portion of the excess young white women in NYC are the Jewish girls those migrant men left behind.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ATBOTL, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon55uu

    A MENA(Middle Eastern and North African) census category would help us answer these questions better. We really need to know how many Middle Eastern people are in America.

    • Replies: @Agonistes
    @ATBOTL

    Whatever the numbers are, I see far more MENA males married to Becky Blonde than the reverse. A similar pattern among Black and Jewish men exists.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dream

  119. @Anon
    @Captain Tripps

    It's called intelligence. Industry in general is fucking stupid and two steps backwards for a modern economy, but extraction is especially stupid. What do you want to be like Russia, holding a resource that literally destroys its own infrastructure if you don't keep it moving (like what's going to happen in Russia if they don't turn the oil flow on in winter when it freezes).

    The world is turning away from fossil fuels. Declining birth rates, shrinking populations and modernising economies would make investment in an energy dense resource a tremendous failure. You're just too simple minded to understand, which is why your kind got dropkicked in the back at the polls last night.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @William Badwhite, @Jim Don Bob

    The world is turning away from fossil fuels. Declining birth rates, shrinking populations and modernising economies would make investment in an energy dense resource a tremendous failure.

    Rising standards of living in the developing world will keep demand for fossil fuels and the products of “extraction industries” extremely strong for a very long time. That’s the deep cause of the inflation hitting the West now. More and more affluent people outside of the West are bidding up the prices of raw materials for the all products they want to consume. They wan’t those big trucks, those big McMansions and those “big ass fries”on the side too. Sanctimonious Western liberals can’t stop them.

  120. @Jay Fink
    @Pop Warner

    At least the women who do live there are relatively thin. Not as thin as they used to be but the least obese in the U.S, same for men. Probably due to outdoor activity but maybe high elevation has something to do with it?

    Replies: @Feryl, @Pop Warner

    Yes, not only do many Colorado children grow up hiking and skiing, but migrants to the state are selected for their live of the outdoors. I’ve met countless people from New Jersey who settled here because the skiing is incomparably better than anything close to them, and they are very serious skiers for the most part.

  121. Anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    That’s because it’s bullshit. Liberal women are typically uglier, more promiscuous, fatter, and have more mental problems.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Zero Philosopher

    Liberalism doesn’t cause mental illness. No ideology does.

    Mental illness or physical illness causes people to vote for whichever party will fund their treatment and medications. If the Republican party platform included free psychatric help for the mentally ill but otherwise stayed the same, mentaly ill people would vote Republican.

    As for fat, as yourself, why does West Virginia have a higher obesity rate than Massachusetts and Colorado?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Anonymous

    You you wanted an honest comparison, you would compare obesity rates between liberal woman and conservative women within the same region, like NYC for example.

    , @BosTex
    @Anonymous

    I would say that folks in Boston walk a heck of a lot, thus making it very easy to control your weight.

    (frankly: you don’t even think about it; guessing 3-4 miles per day is totally normal, especially if you commute by train: walk a mile to the train, walk a mile from the train to the ofc; reverse in evening: 4 miles).

    Colorado folks seem to really like the outdoors and the beauty they have there: so they are out and about all the time.

    I would say that folks outside of Boston tend to be chubbier: they spend too much time in their cars. Commutes are horrible, etc. fatter folks.

  122. @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar


    With practical advice from something called the Equal Rights Institute..., they turned things around. ERI has experimented to find which approaches work, and where. By her senior year, there was only a single incident of vandalism, and the administration was immediately responsive and sympathetic. Their booths attracted visitors. It was quite an inspiring story.
     
    Curious to know what that practical advice was.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Curious to know what that practical advice was.

    I put a link in the second paragraph.

  123. @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar

    The data were filtered to be non-Hispanic whites only, so unless there has been a lot of immigration from the Euro-periphery, immigrants shouldn't be a big factor in the results.

    Steve and I puzzled over the male skew (among young whites) of Los Angeles quite a bit. Gay in-migration was a theory of Steve and AnotherDad, which is probably at least partially true. I think there may be a more subtle answer though. Depending who's counting and how, the white population Los Angeles is somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 Jewish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles#Race_and_ethnicity

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Los_Angeles

    So whatever LA Jews are up to will have a pronounced effect on the non-Hispanic white census category in LA. I have the impression that among Jews there is significant young male migration from the Northeast to Los Angeles.

    When Horace Greeley told young New Yorkers of a century and a half ago to "Go West young man!", he meant to the wild frontier to build the nation. When Howie Greenberg tells young New Yorkers today to "Go West young man!", he means to screenwrite and do standup. So this may be the prime source of the excess young white men in LA.

    Incidentally, this means that a certain portion of the excess young white women in NYC are the Jewish girls those migrant men left behind.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ATBOTL, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon55uu

    The data were filtered to be non-Hispanic whites only, so unless there has been a lot of immigration from the Euro-periphery, immigrants shouldn’t be a big factor in the results.

    Do Persians, Armeinans, and other chain-sporting immigrants count as white?

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, according to the Feds, and yes, those are among who I was referring to as the "Euro-periphery", which I gather stretches from Baluchistan to the Canary Islands, per the Feds. And yes, if there is disproportionately male immigration from those places, that may be part of the answer too. The census does include a category called "ancestry", which may include some of that information, but I have no idea how comprehensively or accurately it is filled in, and in any case it would have to be cross-referenced with immigration status and/or place of birth, sex, and age in order to arrive at some objective evaluation of its contribution to LA male skew, which is beyond my remit right now.

    Also note that nationally, there are only 96 white women for every 100 white men in that age range, so LA having only 94 per 100 isn't very far off the average. It's more that it is surprising because one thinks of La-La Land with its soft business of entertainment as somewhere that would attract more women.

  124. @Bardon Kaldlan
    Lots of white womens in the Atlanta area? Whites who live in Hotlanta get kudos for their courage,but their brains?
    This lady on the view compared white women to cockroaches.😮Stay safe! This just in: Candace Owens is out! Go Ye!!

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Kaz

    Everyone is pretty divided into their groups.

    I go to a bar one night, it’s 90% white remaining 5-10% mix of asian/black/hispanic (mostly asian). Ratios are these bars are great, I feel like I’m almost outnumbered by women.

    I go to a bar another night in the Korean part of town, 80% asian remaining 10-20% mix of white/black/hispanic (mostly white). A lot more dudes here though, the ratios aren’t usually as good.

    Though there definitely has been churn between how spots go from white–>black or black–>white. Buckhead used to be the go to place for young adults/college students but it’s a bit of a ghost town now compared to what it was a year ago and has gotten very ratchet. They started playing too much rap/hip hop and that attracts the wrong crowds.

  125. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    This is probably just a function of more middle class girls and women attending college now than boys/men. The life script is to go to State, get a degree in a soft subject like Sociology, and then turn paper pushing in a cubicle into some kind of Instagram worthy urban lifestyle. "Mmmm . . . Apple Cider Maple Glazed Donuts at Ishkibibble's Donuts on 5th . . . so Autumn #LovingLife."

    The IQ Bell Curve by sex and race (where there are fewer smart and dumb women than men), skewed by Affirmative Action, means that there are probably a larger number of white girls who are just at or above average in intelligence and high enough in diligence to be credible applicants to Universities in the modern era of expanding University enrollment to about 25% of Americans.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Sociology departments are commonly a scandal, but they also midwife only a modest share of the degrees awarded women each year (< 2%). Bracketing out natural sciences, mathematics and statistics, computer and information science, economics, and foreign languages, degrees in academics and arts account for about 28% of all degrees awarded women (of which 30% are awarded in psychology and 70% in other soft stuff). Appended to these are sketchy occupational or quasi-occupational degrees: teaching certificates (7%), communications (6%), social work and human services (2%).

    Business degrees account for 16%, nursing shy of 11%, other peri-medical occupations about 5%, biology &c about 6%.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Art Deco

    Sociology departments are commonly a scandal, but they also midwife only a modest share of the degrees awarded women each year (< 2%).

    Well his comment was obviously tongue in cheek.

    But his overall point is correct which is that White women are more likely to get social science and humanities degrees aka White guilt studies.

    It also needs to be noted that most undergrads don't finish.

    So graduation stats are going to be skewed towards undergrads with a plan.

  126. @VivaLaMigra
    Obviously, not all white women are attractive, especially as the population gets fatter, but it's clear that the Caucasian race has the most beautiful women. Is there a "black" counterpart to Grace Kelly, Rachel Welch, Ann Margaret, Ingrid Bergman, etc? I'd say that the rather few "black" women who are considered attractive or beautiful have a significant amount of white blood in them. You don't find Halle Berry or a young Whitney Houston in Africa. Even then, some amount of er..enhancements may have contributed to the looks. You're telling me that Beyonce Knowles' wealthy parents didn't spring for a NOSE JOB? As for "Asian" women, I hear "Yellow Fever" is a Thing, but leave me out. Those eye slits leave me cold. Word is that plastic surgery to achieve "round eyes" is very popular among Asian women.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Is there a “black” counterpart to Grace Kelly, Rachel Welch, Ann Margaret, Ingrid Bergman, etc?

  127. @Zero Philosopher
    @BosTex

    "Respectfully, you sound really strange for a guy"

    Not wanting to lose my freedom does not make me "strange for a guy". Quite the opposite.

    "Currently a liberal woman? No problem she’ll be a hard Right conservative if she meets a guy that she really likes that tends to the Right."

    No, she will not. There are genetic tendencies in being to the Right or the Left. A true liberal women finds a lot of the traits of conservative men like hunting and forming militias to be Neanderthal-like and downright creepy. You try to turn one of those daughters of urban bourgeoise liberal families into a "hard Right consrvative". It's not going to happen. Try to tell her that she doesn't own her womb, and that if she gets pregnant, even by a rapist, that she should carry the pregnancy to fruition. See how that works out. See if she falls for you.

    All those "liberal" women that marry conservative men might have a parent that was at one point a Democrat, or they might have voted Democrat as well. But they are not true committed ideological liberals.And most of these "liberal" women are in Red states anyway. Try to talk like that to a typical Manhattan girl, or from San Francisco.

    But you are right about one thing: it's even more unlikely for a conservative woman to fall for a liberal man and to get married to him. As I said, conservative women have some strong opinions on the ogligations and behavior of men, and will chastise and nag men endlessly if they fail to reach those standards. Conservative women are not attracted to liberal men because they consider them less masculine, effeminate, unattractive, etc. It is what it is. But in the end it doesn't matter because I cannot see a liberal man being happy in a marriage with a woman that drags him to Church on Sunday when he is an atheist/agnostic, and that expects him to go out into the woods every week to kill something. So the lack of attraction is mutual.

    Replies: @BosTex

    Thanks Zero: appreciate the reply and thoughts and will respond soon.

  128. @Reg Cæsar
    @Almost Missouri


    The data were filtered to be non-Hispanic whites only, so unless there has been a lot of immigration from the Euro-periphery, immigrants shouldn’t be a big factor in the results.
     
    Do Persians, Armeinans, and other chain-sporting immigrants count as white?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Yes, according to the Feds, and yes, those are among who I was referring to as the “Euro-periphery”, which I gather stretches from Baluchistan to the Canary Islands, per the Feds. And yes, if there is disproportionately male immigration from those places, that may be part of the answer too. The census does include a category called “ancestry”, which may include some of that information, but I have no idea how comprehensively or accurately it is filled in, and in any case it would have to be cross-referenced with immigration status and/or place of birth, sex, and age in order to arrive at some objective evaluation of its contribution to LA male skew, which is beyond my remit right now.

    Also note that nationally, there are only 96 white women for every 100 white men in that age range, so LA having only 94 per 100 isn’t very far off the average. It’s more that it is surprising because one thinks of La-La Land with its soft business of entertainment as somewhere that would attract more women.

  129. @AndrewR
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I wonder why he didn't use 2020 data. I'm pretty sure the data is 100% available now.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    why he didn’t use 2020 data.

    Show me the Census’s nationally comprehensive data on age, race, and sex in 2020 at county-level or better resolution, and I will be happy to use it.

  130. @Anon
    @Captain Tripps

    It's called intelligence. Industry in general is fucking stupid and two steps backwards for a modern economy, but extraction is especially stupid. What do you want to be like Russia, holding a resource that literally destroys its own infrastructure if you don't keep it moving (like what's going to happen in Russia if they don't turn the oil flow on in winter when it freezes).

    The world is turning away from fossil fuels. Declining birth rates, shrinking populations and modernising economies would make investment in an energy dense resource a tremendous failure. You're just too simple minded to understand, which is why your kind got dropkicked in the back at the polls last night.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @William Badwhite, @Jim Don Bob

    Declining birth rates, shrinking populations and modernising economies would make investment in an energy dense resource a tremendous failure. You’re just too simple minded to understand…

    Sigh, another foreigner commenting on US politics. The combination of righteous anger and being totally uninformed has me guessing Australian (the dumbest of the Anglosphere).

    Someone claiming that the world has “shrinking populations” calling other people “simple minded”…

    https://www.un.org/en/desa/world-population-projected-reach-98-billion-2050-and-112-billion-2100

  131. @Anonymous
    @Dream

    Read your link more carefully. It's the total immigrant population including illegals. The legal immigrant population is heavily female, especially at the youngest ages (almost all international adoptions are females).

    Replies: @Dream, @Almost Missouri

    Since no one knows how many illegal immigrants are entering the US every year, or even how many are already here, how can anyone know what sex all these unknown and uncounted people are?

  132. @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    That’s because it’s bullshit. Liberal women are typically uglier, more promiscuous, fatter, and have more mental problems.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Zero Philosopher

    No, your post is 100% BS. Lots and lots of conservative women are obese, ugly,don’t take care of their figures, etc.

    Liberal women are ugly? Sorry, but every time I see a really pretty white girl, she tend to be from upper middle class parents who are often affluent, urban and liberal.

    More conservative women tend to have “D” cup breasts, though. That’s true.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Zero Philosopher

    Since you strike me as a typical abrasive sperg, I doubt you have the ability to hold a conversation with a typical unacquainted female, let alone an attractive one.

    , @John Johnson
    @Zero Philosopher

    No, your post is 100% BS. Lots and lots of conservative women are obese, ugly,don’t take care of their figures, etc.

    Liberal women are ugly? Sorry, but every time I see a really pretty white girl, she tend to be from upper middle class parents who are often affluent, urban and liberal.

    I've been around over a thousand liberal women through my work.

    I wouldn't say they are overall more attractive. Urban women are indeed more likely to use the gym or do yoga. So yes they are more likely to be in shape.

    Conservative women however are more likely to be overweight but have potential. They have more women with pretty faces and voluptuous curves. Just go to any Irish Catholic event. They have more women built for child rearing.

    So it probably comes down to personal preference.

    Explicitly liberal women are definitely not the prettiest. But not a bad option if you are looking for a short time girlfriend since they don't have any religious guilt. The further left you go the worse it gets of course. In fact you go too far left you will probably circle back to a tranny.

  133. @UCSBmagyar
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    You’re right in that NYC is flush with beautiful, skinny hot babes who mostly dress well.

    BUT — you’d better be a captain of industry or finance master of the universe — because those pretty girls reliving their own personal Sex & the City aren’t dating Everday Joes.

    I knew a single dude, good looking, made pretty good money in NYC — was competing for girls who were being whisked off to the Hamptons for weekend parties by dudes who could offer helicopter service.

    Same guy would have been a great catch in most places, ends up looking like a loser schlub in comparison.

    Same problem in some of the elite clubs in NYC and Miami — a great catch like this dude is trying to stand out against C and D-list actors and former pro athletes.

    Virtually impossible.

    Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Roissy used to paint a similar picture of DC.

    In this day and age, a surplus of women, by itself, is a poor indicator of one’s chances to find a mate.

    • Replies: @dcite
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    This is a perfect reason why the use of "conservative" and "liberal" make no sense. Left and right make more sense. Ultra-liberal, leftist places like Oregon and Washington state actually have very high obesity rates, especially among women.

  134. @Thoughts
    If you are a white woman in an area with a decent number of Asian women...

    You MUST get out (if you don't marry your high school or college sweetheart)

    There is no way in hell you will marry a white man in such a scenario. My hometown is filled with single 30+ white women of average looks with no hope in high heaven of getting married to a white male.

    When I went back with my spouse to my hometown, we were the only white white couple...

    But the fun thing was, because I married So F-ing Well, We got Stares like we were Gods...

    The white men with the Asian wives were shamed by my family's existence

    My spouse, who grew up super naïve in an all-white area, was shocked

    At a tourist spot, we had Asian Tourists ask to take photos with us...

    If you are a white male who chooses to mate outside your race, you are a fool

    For the white women of average looks who can't compete with the Asian female menace...use a sperm donor and raise the kid to not date anyone but whites [although most of those women are liberals so...]

    And to the white women...for God's sakes the only reason Asian females are your friends is to get access to your white male relatives...seen it 100000% times

    Replies: @anarchyst, @Anon

    There is more to “yellow fever” than is presently being discussed.
    Quite often, white women are their own worst enemy when they stop acting like women. Their embrace of rabid feminism does absolutely nothing to make them attractive to white males, but quite the opposite. They are man-hating harridans who expect white men to be “wimps”.
    White women almost always go for the “bad boy” with the fancy clothes and expensive car until their biological clock starts ticking down. This is when they start to set their sights on a “nice white guy”, many who are already “taken”.
    Most Asian women KNOW how to treat a man. They know when to be deferential and when to push to achieve their own interests.
    Of course, there are those who want only one thing–the coveted “green card” establishing permanent residency in the good ol’ USA, but Asian women do have an advantage by not embracing rabid man-hating feminism.
    White women would do well to “step back” and take a good look at themselves.
    This whole “women can do it all” mantra is demonstrably false and should be abandoned.
    Rabid feminist women are finally getting their “comeuppance” with mentally-ill biological males declaring themselves to be “women” and beating out biological women in organized sports.
    All one has to do is look at the evil of abortion. Murdering your own offspring for “convenience” is just downright evil.
    Just maybe the biblical story in Genesis with the female temptress encouraging the male to partake of the “forbidden fruit” has merit.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @anarchyst

    Their embrace of rabid feminism does absolutely nothing to make them attractive to white males, but quite the opposite. They are man-hating harridans who expect white men to be “wimps”.
    White women almost always go for the “bad boy”

    White women go for the bad boy but want White men to be wimps?

    Most Asian women KNOW how to treat a man. They know when to be deferential and when to push to achieve their own interests.

    No one cares if you have oriental fever but don't assume everyone wants the same thing.

    I had a hot Japanese girlfriend in college and was bored within a few months.

    Maybe you like a submissive woman. I certainly don't and find it boring. I know I can be an a-hole and don't want a little geisha girl telling me that my farts smell nice.

    I wanted a tough White woman with a couple tattoos and an occasional attitude problem. That is what I married. My friends are impressed with my wife and think I am lucky but I hunted her down like a wolf.

    Replies: @anarchyst

  135. @Anonymous
    @John Johnson


    That’s because the average Asian woman in the US is 5’2 and they have a smaller SD. It’s really a genetic factor and not one of discrimination. But yes I have no doubt that the average 5 foot man is completely screwed in modern America.
     
    So are you brain damaged, or what? He said the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman.

    That means if the average white man married to a white woman is 5'10", the average white man married to an Asian woman is 6'0".

    Your problem is that you can't even correctly interpret what the other user is trying to tell you. Something that makes me think you may indeed be a pissed off white woman.

    Not everyone shares your Asian fetish. In LA it is a thing for Asian women to date gay White men.

    Do they know if they are gay? No one knows. But there are articles about how the last stage of a closeted man is an Asian girlfriend.
     
    So are all men closeted gays then? Because all men prefer Asian women.

    https://d3gsv3kd05i265.cloudfront.net/blog-images/2014/05/preferences1-dating-singles-meetville-matchmaking.png

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5428627.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/ok-cupid-chart.png


    There is no stereotype of closeted gay men dating Asian women. That stereotype has always fallen to white women. Something that would make sense, seeing as white women are so much more masculine and appealing to the gay man's sexual gaze.

    Your typical cuck couple on the other hand is definitely white male + white female.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Because all men prefer Asian women.

    Are you the commenter formerly known as JohnPlywood?

    If not, please be informed that this Asian preference among younger men is a recent phenomenon, likely due to white women self-destructing.

    If so, as before I wish you well with your yellow fever.

  136. For Frisco/San Fran: A lot of the activities there probably skew male – grabbing a steak in the Tenderloin, going for a dip in McCovey Cove, etc.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Chebyshev

    Outdoorsmen tend to be male. A good tip for girls is to cultivate an interest in the great outdoors.

  137. @Art Deco
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Sociology departments are commonly a scandal, but they also midwife only a modest share of the degrees awarded women each year (< 2%). Bracketing out natural sciences, mathematics and statistics, computer and information science, economics, and foreign languages, degrees in academics and arts account for about 28% of all degrees awarded women (of which 30% are awarded in psychology and 70% in other soft stuff). Appended to these are sketchy occupational or quasi-occupational degrees: teaching certificates (7%), communications (6%), social work and human services (2%).



    Business degrees account for 16%, nursing shy of 11%, other peri-medical occupations about 5%, biology &c about 6%.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Sociology departments are commonly a scandal, but they also midwife only a modest share of the degrees awarded women each year (< 2%).

    Well his comment was obviously tongue in cheek.

    But his overall point is correct which is that White women are more likely to get social science and humanities degrees aka White guilt studies.

    It also needs to be noted that most undergrads don’t finish.

    So graduation stats are going to be skewed towards undergrads with a plan.

  138. @Zero Philosopher
    @Mike Tre

    No, your post is 100% BS. Lots and lots of conservative women are obese, ugly,don't take care of their figures, etc.

    Liberal women are ugly? Sorry, but every time I see a really pretty white girl, she tend to be from upper middle class parents who are often affluent, urban and liberal.

    More conservative women tend to have "D" cup breasts, though. That's true.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @John Johnson

    Since you strike me as a typical abrasive sperg, I doubt you have the ability to hold a conversation with a typical unacquainted female, let alone an attractive one.

  139. @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Liberalism doesn't cause mental illness. No ideology does.

    Mental illness or physical illness causes people to vote for whichever party will fund their treatment and medications. If the Republican party platform included free psychatric help for the mentally ill but otherwise stayed the same, mentaly ill people would vote Republican.

    As for fat, as yourself, why does West Virginia have a higher obesity rate than Massachusetts and Colorado?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @BosTex

    You you wanted an honest comparison, you would compare obesity rates between liberal woman and conservative women within the same region, like NYC for example.

  140. @Zero Philosopher
    @Mike Tre

    No, your post is 100% BS. Lots and lots of conservative women are obese, ugly,don't take care of their figures, etc.

    Liberal women are ugly? Sorry, but every time I see a really pretty white girl, she tend to be from upper middle class parents who are often affluent, urban and liberal.

    More conservative women tend to have "D" cup breasts, though. That's true.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @John Johnson

    No, your post is 100% BS. Lots and lots of conservative women are obese, ugly,don’t take care of their figures, etc.

    Liberal women are ugly? Sorry, but every time I see a really pretty white girl, she tend to be from upper middle class parents who are often affluent, urban and liberal.

    I’ve been around over a thousand liberal women through my work.

    I wouldn’t say they are overall more attractive. Urban women are indeed more likely to use the gym or do yoga. So yes they are more likely to be in shape.

    Conservative women however are more likely to be overweight but have potential. They have more women with pretty faces and voluptuous curves. Just go to any Irish Catholic event. They have more women built for child rearing.

    So it probably comes down to personal preference.

    Explicitly liberal women are definitely not the prettiest. But not a bad option if you are looking for a short time girlfriend since they don’t have any religious guilt. The further left you go the worse it gets of course. In fact you go too far left you will probably circle back to a tranny.

  141. @Chebyshev
    For Frisco/San Fran: A lot of the activities there probably skew male - grabbing a steak in the Tenderloin, going for a dip in McCovey Cove, etc.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Outdoorsmen tend to be male. A good tip for girls is to cultivate an interest in the great outdoors.

    • Agree: Chebyshev
  142. Every halfway attractive white girl wonders whether she could “make it” in NYC, and a fair number of them move there to try, most commonly after college (I bet this chart would be even more skewed if you looked only at college-educated whites).

    Anecdotally, I’ve heard from many friends that the dating odds for straight guys in NY are absolutely fantastic. By contrast, I’ve heard that LA’s are some of the worst.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @pirelli


    Every halfway attractive white girl wonders whether she could “make it” in NYC, and a fair number of them move there to try,
     
    Make it in what way? Professionally? In dating? Finding a spouse there?
  143. @E. Rekshun
    In my travels and life, I've found the most attractive and plentiful (young) White women at the University of Florida in Gainesville, FL. I've heard the University of GA is also well-stocked. For most attractive, exotic (though not all necessarily White), it's the Miami International Airport.

    Replies: @Jay Fink, @Brutusale

    When I watched the Tennessee at Georgia college football game last week it caught my attention how pretty the girls were in the stands in Athens GA.

    • Agree: E. Rekshun
  144. @Steve Sailer
    @Zero Philosopher

    " Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more “robust” than liberals. Liberals tend to be smaller and more delicate-looking. Liberal girls tend to be smaller, more delicate-looking and with more stereotypically feminine faces than conservative women, although liberal women seldon have voluptuous figures."

    An interesting assertion. I can't say I've particularly noticed that, but I can't say that it's wrong either.

    Replies: @Zero Philosopher, @Charlotte, @Mike Tre, @smetana

    Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more “robust” than liberals.

    Isn’t this just the Seeds of Albion and European settlement patterns?

    English and Nordic heritage on the coasts, German in the Midwest and Scots-Irish in the South.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @smetana

    Wtf are u talking about?

    There are no Nordics on the coasts unless u mean Great Lakes coasts.

    Nordics are 1000000000x more "robust" than Scotch Irish or Germans

    , @Zero Philosopher
    @smetana

    That's my quote. And no, you can go to European countries, and notice that urban, more liberal people tend to look more gracile than country folk.

    But the issue gets confusing since in countries like Holland, Denmark and Sweden the vast, vast majority of people are strongly liberal. Not surprising, since these countries are the cradle of liberalism. So it's ac's actually more useful to compare peoples directly.

    Key point: New York wholefood shoppers(liberals) tend to look the way they do, and citizens of El Paso Texas tend to look the way that they do, because the first are liberal and the second conservatives, not because of ethnicity.

    Replies: @smetana, @Alyosha

  145. @ATBOTL
    @Almost Missouri

    A MENA(Middle Eastern and North African) census category would help us answer these questions better. We really need to know how many Middle Eastern people are in America.

    Replies: @Agonistes

    Whatever the numbers are, I see far more MENA males married to Becky Blonde than the reverse. A similar pattern among Black and Jewish men exists.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Agonistes

    And? There number of Arabs or Blacks married to "Becky Blondes" is insignificant. In fact the number of married black men is insignificant. Jewish men tend to go for Asian women.

    , @Dream
    @Agonistes

    Jewish women intermarry at higher rates than Jewish men. We don't know what race or ethnicity they are marrying, however.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

  146. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @Kylie


    If I were guy looking for white women, I’d cross college towns off my list.
     
    A lot of the white women in the college towns on the list are probably there to get employment skills, such as nursing and teaching, so their experience may be less woke than for liberal arts students. But as Steve avers, for the colleges in the Piedmont, a lot of those young white women are wives-in-waiting of Scots-Irish young men in military, so you may be dealing there with a woman who is awaiting her boyfriend's mustering out of the service.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    a lot of those young white women are wives-in-waiting of Scots-Irish young men in military, so you may be dealing there with a woman who is awaiting her boyfriend’s mustering out of the service.

    Why would a woman wait for her boyfriend to complete his contract before marrying him? She doesn’t like the spousal benefits the armed services provide? She doesn’t want to be on TriCare? She doesn’t want to be able to shop at the base exchange with its much lower prices? She doesn’t want to get the military discount when shopping on the local economy? She doesn’t want the BAH? She doesn’t want the … ?

    And what’s up with all this emphasis on Scotch-Irish (as if they were some kind of isolated breeding population) dominating the military? Most White/Latino service members come from California, Texas or New York. Most black service members come from South Carolina, Georgia or Alabama.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous


    Why would a woman wait for her boyfriend to complete his contract before marrying him?
     
    Good question. It may be that a portion of the apparently surplus women in those college towns are in fact already married to men stationed elsewhere. Is there a way to query the census database to answer this? I dunno.

    what’s up with all this emphasis on Scotch-Irish
     
    Most of the relevant college towns are in traditionally Scots-Irish regions.

    Most White/Latino service members come from California, Texas or New York.
     
    Those are the three most populous states for whites/Latinos, so that makes sense.

    Most black service members come from South Carolina, Georgia or Alabama.
     
    Those states are ~ 14th, 2nd, and 15th most populous states, respectively, for young blacks, so that makes less sense. Perhaps it is because the other most populous black states (e.g., Texas, Florida, New York, California) tend to have more urbanized black populations, which the military may have found are less fruitful to recruit from.
  147. @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Liberalism doesn't cause mental illness. No ideology does.

    Mental illness or physical illness causes people to vote for whichever party will fund their treatment and medications. If the Republican party platform included free psychatric help for the mentally ill but otherwise stayed the same, mentaly ill people would vote Republican.

    As for fat, as yourself, why does West Virginia have a higher obesity rate than Massachusetts and Colorado?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @BosTex

    I would say that folks in Boston walk a heck of a lot, thus making it very easy to control your weight.

    (frankly: you don’t even think about it; guessing 3-4 miles per day is totally normal, especially if you commute by train: walk a mile to the train, walk a mile from the train to the ofc; reverse in evening: 4 miles).

    Colorado folks seem to really like the outdoors and the beauty they have there: so they are out and about all the time.

    I would say that folks outside of Boston tend to be chubbier: they spend too much time in their cars. Commutes are horrible, etc. fatter folks.

  148. @smetana
    @Steve Sailer


    Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more “robust” than liberals.
     
    Isn't this just the Seeds of Albion and European settlement patterns?

    English and Nordic heritage on the coasts, German in the Midwest and Scots-Irish in the South.

    Replies: @Anon, @Zero Philosopher

    Wtf are u talking about?

    There are no Nordics on the coasts unless u mean Great Lakes coasts.

    Nordics are 1000000000x more “robust” than Scotch Irish or Germans

  149. @Agonistes
    @ATBOTL

    Whatever the numbers are, I see far more MENA males married to Becky Blonde than the reverse. A similar pattern among Black and Jewish men exists.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dream

    And? There number of Arabs or Blacks married to “Becky Blondes” is insignificant. In fact the number of married black men is insignificant. Jewish men tend to go for Asian women.

  150. @smetana
    @Steve Sailer


    Conservatives, both the men and the women, tend to look more “robust” than liberals.
     
    Isn't this just the Seeds of Albion and European settlement patterns?

    English and Nordic heritage on the coasts, German in the Midwest and Scots-Irish in the South.

    Replies: @Anon, @Zero Philosopher

    That’s my quote. And no, you can go to European countries, and notice that urban, more liberal people tend to look more gracile than country folk.

    But the issue gets confusing since in countries like Holland, Denmark and Sweden the vast, vast majority of people are strongly liberal. Not surprising, since these countries are the cradle of liberalism. So it’s ac’s actually more useful to compare peoples directly.

    Key point: New York wholefood shoppers(liberals) tend to look the way they do, and citizens of El Paso Texas tend to look the way that they do, because the first are liberal and the second conservatives, not because of ethnicity.

    • Replies: @smetana
    @Zero Philosopher


    Key point: New York wholefood shoppers(liberals) tend to look the way they do, and citizens of El Paso Texas tend to look the way that they do, because the first are liberal and the second conservatives, not because of ethnicity.
     
    Besides ethnicity (genetic), there's also genetic variation in testosterone in both sexes. T --> robust-looking.

    If you have clinically-low T, you may end up being a staffer in public radio.
    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/220/transcript
    Even when you find out that you have clinically-low T, you don't supplement. Your low T is a result of your ancestors' mating choices, which is genetic. But your ancestors were probably non-rural and liberal like you, which is cultural.
    , @Alyosha
    @Zero Philosopher

    Whole foods is a Texas company, it was started there and popularized there before spreading and becoming massively popular with the rest of the country as well.

  151. @Anonymous
    @Dream


    Given that majority of Asian American women are married to Asian men
     
    I hope you don't actually believe that cope. East and Southeast women, the kind of Asian women we are talking about, are more often than not married to someone of another race.


    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    Among Asian newlyweds, these gender differences exist for both immigrants (15% men, 31% women) and the U.S. born (38% men, 54% women). While the gender gap among Asian immigrants has remained relatively stable, the gap among the U.S. born has widened substantially since 1980, when intermarriage stood at 46% among newlywed Asian men and 49% among newlywed Asian women.
     
    And this is just for marriages. The majority of people in America ages 30-50 aren't married, they're a tiny minority. Most are cohabitating with a long term partner. The majority of unmarried Asian women cohabitating with white men.

    “the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman. ”
    Source?
     
    Not even gonna dignify you with a response because you'll just deny the data and say "it's a small sample size" or some such cope. You can just look it up for yourself, white men married to Asian women are taller, judged as better looking and earn more money than the ones that married white. Marrying white woman today is essentially an option for downscale white men, none of them want to do it but they have no other choices really.


    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274233268_The_sweetness_of_forbidden_fruit_Interracial_daters_are_more_attractive_than_intraracial_daters

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karen-Wu-4/publication/274233268/figure/fig3/AS:[email protected]/Independently-rated-physical-attractiveness-of-interracial-versus-intraracial-daters.png

    Replies: @Dream

    I hope you don’t actually believe that cope. East and Southeast women, the kind of Asian women we are talking about, are more often than not married to someone of another race.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/

    Yeah, the link shows that majority of Asian women are married to Asian men. The same old inability to grasp statistics – sigh.

    And this is just for marriages. The majority of people in America ages 30-50 aren’t married, they’re a tiny minority. Most are cohabitating with a long term partner. The majority of unmarried Asian women cohabitating with white men.

    For US born Chinese women, a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men. Same for US born Korean women, US born Vietnamese women and US born Filipino women.
    CDC WONDER stats.

    Not even gonna dignify you with a response because you’ll just deny the data and say “it’s a small sample size” or some such cope. You can just look it up for yourself, white men married to Asian women are taller, judged as better looking and earn more money than the ones that married white. Marrying white woman today is essentially an option for downscale white men, none of them want to do it but they have no other choices really.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274233268_The_sweetness_of_forbidden_fruit_Interracial_daters_are_more_attractive_than_intraracial_daters

    This is even more ridiculous. You back up your claim “the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman ” by showing a study that interracial daters of various races are more attractive than non-interracial daters of various races. As astute as usual.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dream


    Yeah, the link shows that majority of Asian women are married to Asian men. The same old inability to grasp statistics – sigh.
     
    "Asian" includes south Asian. We're talking about East Asian, which is best reflected by the US born statistic in that quote. As you may be able to read, the quote says that 54% of US born Asian women are outmarried.


    Your problem is that you're too stupid to realize how stupid you are.


    For US born Chinese women, a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men. Same for US born Korean women, US born Vietnamese women and US born Filipino women.
    CDC WONDER stats.
     
    LOL! More like CDC BUTTCRACK stats.
    Here's some real stats for you, honey:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbGtwFsU8AEXmr3.jpg

    In every single one of the US-born ethnicities you mentioned, less than half of the females marry an Asian.

    Hell, less than 40% marry someone from their own ethnicity.

    This is the end of your self-esteem.


    This is even more ridiculous. You back up your claim “the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman ” by showing a study that interracial daters of various races are more attractive than non-interracial daters of various races. As astute as usual
     
    No I didn't, I just posted that because I had it there. I am not sifting through the web again to find the height data hut it's there, it's taken from the same study that determined income preferences. However facial attractiveness is closely associated with male height, as is personal income.


    Basically it's a really bad day to be you... Again!

    Replies: @Dream

  152. @AnotherDad
    Do not move to Pulaski County, GA for the excess girls there.

    Those girls are "trouble" ... and you'll have a little trouble taking them out for the evening.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Wilkey

    Desperate times call for desperate measures. Do they employ male prison guards? Asking for a friend.

  153. @Steve Sailer
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I can recall visiting Manhattan for a day in 1979 with bunch of guys from Rice U. in Houston. My impression then was that the top 10% most attractive women in NYC beat Houston and even West Los Angeles. On the other hand, I can remember conversing on the subway with my Sunbelt friends over the heads of most New Yorkers, while eyeing 6'-fashion models. Manhattan seemed then like a real Bonfire of the Vanities-type place of extreme inequality avant la lettre while the taller locals lie about how egalitarian they are.

    Is it all that different now?

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I should have said a young hetero white man over 6′ tall.

  154. @Agonistes
    @ATBOTL

    Whatever the numbers are, I see far more MENA males married to Becky Blonde than the reverse. A similar pattern among Black and Jewish men exists.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Dream

    Jewish women intermarry at higher rates than Jewish men. We don’t know what race or ethnicity they are marrying, however.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Dream

    Jewish intermarriage seems extremely high in both genders. So much so that full blooded Jews will become rare in the near future. Something really changed around the 1980s. When my parents married in the 60s there was still extreme pressure for Jews to mate with each other. By the 80s I noticed Jews dating and marrying gentiles was becoming very common. I went to some type of Jewish teen social event in the 80s, none of the girls were interested in the guys there. I think we were too nerdy for them. I would later see them, especially the most attractive girls, with tall athletic gentile boyfriends.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Dream, @Almost Missouri

  155. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dream
    @Anonymous


    I hope you don’t actually believe that cope. East and Southeast women, the kind of Asian women we are talking about, are more often than not married to someone of another race.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/
     
    Yeah, the link shows that majority of Asian women are married to Asian men. The same old inability to grasp statistics - sigh.

    And this is just for marriages. The majority of people in America ages 30-50 aren’t married, they’re a tiny minority. Most are cohabitating with a long term partner. The majority of unmarried Asian women cohabitating with white men.
     
    For US born Chinese women, a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men. Same for US born Korean women, US born Vietnamese women and US born Filipino women.
    CDC WONDER stats.

    Not even gonna dignify you with a response because you’ll just deny the data and say “it’s a small sample size” or some such cope. You can just look it up for yourself, white men married to Asian women are taller, judged as better looking and earn more money than the ones that married white. Marrying white woman today is essentially an option for downscale white men, none of them want to do it but they have no other choices really.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274233268_The_sweetness_of_forbidden_fruit_Interracial_daters_are_more_attractive_than_intraracial_daters
     
    This is even more ridiculous. You back up your claim “the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman ” by showing a study that interracial daters of various races are more attractive than non-interracial daters of various races. As astute as usual.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yeah, the link shows that majority of Asian women are married to Asian men. The same old inability to grasp statistics – sigh.

    “Asian” includes south Asian. We’re talking about East Asian, which is best reflected by the US born statistic in that quote. As you may be able to read, the quote says that 54% of US born Asian women are outmarried.

    Your problem is that you’re too stupid to realize how stupid you are.

    For US born Chinese women, a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men. Same for US born Korean women, US born Vietnamese women and US born Filipino women.
    CDC WONDER stats.

    LOL! More like CDC BUTTCRACK stats.
    Here’s some real stats for you, honey:

    In every single one of the US-born ethnicities you mentioned, less than half of the females marry an Asian.

    Hell, less than 40% marry someone from their own ethnicity.

    This is the end of your self-esteem.

    This is even more ridiculous. You back up your claim “the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman ” by showing a study that interracial daters of various races are more attractive than non-interracial daters of various races. As astute as usual

    No I didn’t, I just posted that because I had it there. I am not sifting through the web again to find the height data hut it’s there, it’s taken from the same study that determined income preferences. However facial attractiveness is closely associated with male height, as is personal income.

    Basically it’s a really bad day to be you… Again!

    • Replies: @Dream
    @Anonymous


    “Asian” includes south Asian. We’re talking about East Asian, which is best reflected by the US born statistic in that quote. As you may be able to read, the quote says that 54% of US born Asian women are outmarried.

    Your problem is that you’re too stupid to realize how stupid you are.
     
    No. Majority of East Asian and Southeast Asian women are married to Asian men.

    LOL! More like CDC BUTTCRACK stats.
    Here’s some real stats for you, honey:

    In every single one of the US-born ethnicities you mentioned, less than half of the females marry an Asian.

    Hell, less than 40% marry someone from their own ethnicity.

    This is the end of your self-esteem.
     
    Posting outdated charts intended for children is not going to cut it.

    Among US-born Chinese women, more babies are fathered by Asian men than white men. You can have check it out here: https://wonder.cdc.gov/natality-expanded-current.html

    However, I understand that navigating that site requires a certain amount of cognitive ability, so here I present the results directly. (I will help further - see Query Criteria)
    https://i.ibb.co/6DStwWy/download.png

    The same for US-born Korean women - a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men.
    https://i.ibb.co/Wgjk0fz/download.png

    And this is just for US-born women, majority of Asians are foreign-born( who are much more endogamous).

    No I didn’t, I just posted that because I had it there. I am not sifting through the web again to find the height data hut it’s there, it’s taken from the same study that determined income preferences. However facial attractiveness is closely associated with male height, as is personal income.

    Basically it’s a really bad day to be you… Again!
     
    Nothing to back up your claim, then. As is usual.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon

  156. @Peter Akuleyev
    @BosTex

    Yes, I know lots of conservative male/liberal women couples. And the marriages seem to work. Interestingly I can’t think of any examples of the converse. Even conservative/conservative the man tends to be further to the right. And a lot of prominent conservative women seem to be single or divorced. Being somewhat liberal is probably a better evolutionary strategy if you’re a woman.

    Replies: @Zero Philosopher, @Thoughts, @Brutusale

    Yes, I know lots of conservative male/liberal women couples.

    No you don’t.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Brutusale

    Do you know any women at all?

    Replies: @Brutusale

  157. @Brutusale
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Yes, I know lots of conservative male/liberal women couples.
     
    No you don't.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Do you know any women at all?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Actually, if you paid attention, her picture has appeared on this site. Only seen by hetero guys, I guess.

  158. @E. Rekshun
    In my travels and life, I've found the most attractive and plentiful (young) White women at the University of Florida in Gainesville, FL. I've heard the University of GA is also well-stocked. For most attractive, exotic (though not all necessarily White), it's the Miami International Airport.

    Replies: @Jay Fink, @Brutusale

    Back in 2017 I flew down to Florida for my mom’s 80th birthday. I used to occasionally give her a certain brand of bangle bracelets with religious icons, but in this instance had gotten one I’d already given her. I went out to the local Dillard’s the morning before the party to find a replacement.

    The jewelry department girl may have been the most blindingly perfect woman I’ve ever met. The girlfriend, who’d done some local modeling while in nursing school, said she’d never met anyone who checked all the boxes like this girl, noting that, in addition to her Hall of Fame looks, she was articulate and engaging.

    The same goes for pretty much every experience down there. The waitresses are prettier, the strippers are a whole lot better looking, and, as a friend once pointed out when were were down there for spring training games, that if you picked the cream of the crop of Hooters waitresses in New England, they wouldn’t be as attractive as those at any random Hooters in FL.

    I think a lot of financial guys whose firms have moved to Florida are going to find women there with the same quality looks without the emotional baggage those types carry Up North.

    A lot of diamonds in the rough in FL.

    • Agree: E. Rekshun
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Brutusale

    I think a lot of financial guys whose firms have moved to Florida are going to find women there with the same quality looks without the emotional baggage those types carry Up North.

    Have you actually been to Florida?

    The state is packed with nutters.

    It was actually filled with felons before the advent of air conditioning. Wanted men would move deep into the state and no one would bother going after them.

    Yes they have pretty women.

    Pretty women that all have a meth'd out cousin looking for some quick cash. Good luck to anyone trying to find a woman there.

    I would go with Nashville.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  159. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Brutusale

    Do you know any women at all?

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Actually, if you paid attention, her picture has appeared on this site. Only seen by hetero guys, I guess.

  160. @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri


    a lot of those young white women are wives-in-waiting of Scots-Irish young men in military, so you may be dealing there with a woman who is awaiting her boyfriend’s mustering out of the service.
     
    Why would a woman wait for her boyfriend to complete his contract before marrying him? She doesn't like the spousal benefits the armed services provide? She doesn't want to be on TriCare? She doesn't want to be able to shop at the base exchange with its much lower prices? She doesn't want to get the military discount when shopping on the local economy? She doesn't want the BAH? She doesn't want the ... ?

    And what's up with all this emphasis on Scotch-Irish (as if they were some kind of isolated breeding population) dominating the military? Most White/Latino service members come from California, Texas or New York. Most black service members come from South Carolina, Georgia or Alabama.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Why would a woman wait for her boyfriend to complete his contract before marrying him?

    Good question. It may be that a portion of the apparently surplus women in those college towns are in fact already married to men stationed elsewhere. Is there a way to query the census database to answer this? I dunno.

    what’s up with all this emphasis on Scotch-Irish

    Most of the relevant college towns are in traditionally Scots-Irish regions.

    Most White/Latino service members come from California, Texas or New York.

    Those are the three most populous states for whites/Latinos, so that makes sense.

    Most black service members come from South Carolina, Georgia or Alabama.

    Those states are ~ 14th, 2nd, and 15th most populous states, respectively, for young blacks, so that makes less sense. Perhaps it is because the other most populous black states (e.g., Texas, Florida, New York, California) tend to have more urbanized black populations, which the military may have found are less fruitful to recruit from.

  161. @Brutusale
    @E. Rekshun

    Back in 2017 I flew down to Florida for my mom's 80th birthday. I used to occasionally give her a certain brand of bangle bracelets with religious icons, but in this instance had gotten one I'd already given her. I went out to the local Dillard's the morning before the party to find a replacement.

    The jewelry department girl may have been the most blindingly perfect woman I've ever met. The girlfriend, who'd done some local modeling while in nursing school, said she'd never met anyone who checked all the boxes like this girl, noting that, in addition to her Hall of Fame looks, she was articulate and engaging.

    The same goes for pretty much every experience down there. The waitresses are prettier, the strippers are a whole lot better looking, and, as a friend once pointed out when were were down there for spring training games, that if you picked the cream of the crop of Hooters waitresses in New England, they wouldn't be as attractive as those at any random Hooters in FL.

    I think a lot of financial guys whose firms have moved to Florida are going to find women there with the same quality looks without the emotional baggage those types carry Up North.

    A lot of diamonds in the rough in FL.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I think a lot of financial guys whose firms have moved to Florida are going to find women there with the same quality looks without the emotional baggage those types carry Up North.

    Have you actually been to Florida?

    The state is packed with nutters.

    It was actually filled with felons before the advent of air conditioning. Wanted men would move deep into the state and no one would bother going after them.

    Yes they have pretty women.

    Pretty women that all have a meth’d out cousin looking for some quick cash. Good luck to anyone trying to find a woman there.

    I would go with Nashville.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @John Johnson

    I've been visiting Florida at least once a year since 1988, when my parents moved south. Both of my younger brothers seem to have found lovely wives in FL, and they have 7 kids between them. One is a strings teacher for rich Asians, the other is the practice manager of a clinic in Tampa. One is a a classic Nice White Lady teacher type, a pleasant but dotty liberal, the other is half Cuban and more conservative than I am.

    But hey, argue with this guy. He's got a few billion dollars invested, so he must be a believer.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/citadels-ken-griffin-touts-florida-great-environment-and-streets-are-safe-and-clean

    Given the election results, I'd be hard-pressed to think people in Florida are nuttier than those here in the People's Commonwealth of MA. And MA has PLENTY of methheads of its own.

    Tampa had 41 murders last year, while Boston had 58.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  162. Statistically this doesn’t mean anything. But I’ll give you my anecdote; I have 9 nephews and nieces from 2 sisters and 1 brother all born in southwestern Pennsylvania.

    3 of them are working class, 3 are middle class, 3 are in, I guess, upper middle class.

    Working class: Lawn service, House cleaning, Laborer
    Middle class: Lawn service, Geology, “Government”
    Upper middle: Dentist, Executive, Naval Officer

    The upper middle people come from the same family.
    The working class from the same family
    The middle class from 3 families.

    All the upper middle class people live in Colorado or California.
    All the others live in southwestern Pennsylvania or Ohio.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Malcolm Y

    This is interesting and a decent sample size for a non-scientific discussion. I'd like to see more of this. What class and professions are your two sisters and brother?

    My family is not as large - just two nephews attending well-regarded colleges. Both excellent students and D-III athletes. One considering law school and one in ROTC. Both parents are medical docs.

  163. @Dream
    @Agonistes

    Jewish women intermarry at higher rates than Jewish men. We don't know what race or ethnicity they are marrying, however.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    Jewish intermarriage seems extremely high in both genders. So much so that full blooded Jews will become rare in the near future. Something really changed around the 1980s. When my parents married in the 60s there was still extreme pressure for Jews to mate with each other. By the 80s I noticed Jews dating and marrying gentiles was becoming very common. I went to some type of Jewish teen social event in the 80s, none of the girls were interested in the guys there. I think we were too nerdy for them. I would later see them, especially the most attractive girls, with tall athletic gentile boyfriends.

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Jay Fink

    I came close to marrying a Jewish girl in the late-1980s.

    Her father was incredibly opposed to the point of hatred; her mother liked me and was not opposed.

    My mom didn’t like the “Jew Girl”, but whatever.

    I think was more class based hatred than religion based hatred: not only a Christian, but a poor one from the wrong side of the tracks, etc.

    It probably would have been less difficult if I had been same class background. Didn’t help that I was banging his daughter silly.N

    We broke it off just after college graduation…always makes me wonder what might have been.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Dream
    @Jay Fink


    Jewish intermarriage seems extremely high in both genders. So much so that full blooded Jews will become rare in the near future.
     
    Fear not.
    https://twitter.com/BirthGauge/status/1583095374654283776?t=Q6iyKfiAxeoohTABq1xlCw&s=19

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jay Fink


    Jewish intermarriage [out-marriage] seems extremely high in both genders. So much so that full blooded Jews will become rare in the near future.
     
    It is ... among secular Jews. The second sentence doesn't quite follow from the first, though. Jewish birthrates have long been sustained not by the low-fertility secular Jews, but by the high fertility Orthodox Jews.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/pornographic-dissonance/#comment-3637031

    The Jewish population growth rate has been higher than the non-Hispanic white population growth rate for most of US history, and looks set to remain so for the foreseeable future.

  164. @Jay Fink
    @Dream

    Jewish intermarriage seems extremely high in both genders. So much so that full blooded Jews will become rare in the near future. Something really changed around the 1980s. When my parents married in the 60s there was still extreme pressure for Jews to mate with each other. By the 80s I noticed Jews dating and marrying gentiles was becoming very common. I went to some type of Jewish teen social event in the 80s, none of the girls were interested in the guys there. I think we were too nerdy for them. I would later see them, especially the most attractive girls, with tall athletic gentile boyfriends.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Dream, @Almost Missouri

    I came close to marrying a Jewish girl in the late-1980s.

    Her father was incredibly opposed to the point of hatred; her mother liked me and was not opposed.

    My mom didn’t like the “Jew Girl”, but whatever.

    I think was more class based hatred than religion based hatred: not only a Christian, but a poor one from the wrong side of the tracks, etc.

    It probably would have been less difficult if I had been same class background. Didn’t help that I was banging his daughter silly.N

    We broke it off just after college graduation…always makes me wonder what might have been.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @BosTex


    Her father was incredibly opposed to the point of hatred;
     
    How did his opposition or hatred manifest itself?
  165. @anarchyst
    @Thoughts

    There is more to “yellow fever” than is presently being discussed.
    Quite often, white women are their own worst enemy when they stop acting like women. Their embrace of rabid feminism does absolutely nothing to make them attractive to white males, but quite the opposite. They are man-hating harridans who expect white men to be “wimps”.
    White women almost always go for the "bad boy" with the fancy clothes and expensive car until their biological clock starts ticking down. This is when they start to set their sights on a "nice white guy", many who are already "taken".
    Most Asian women KNOW how to treat a man. They know when to be deferential and when to push to achieve their own interests.
    Of course, there are those who want only one thing–the coveted “green card” establishing permanent residency in the good ol’ USA, but Asian women do have an advantage by not embracing rabid man-hating feminism.
    White women would do well to “step back” and take a good look at themselves.
    This whole “women can do it all” mantra is demonstrably false and should be abandoned.
    Rabid feminist women are finally getting their "comeuppance" with mentally-ill biological males declaring themselves to be "women" and beating out biological women in organized sports.
    All one has to do is look at the evil of abortion. Murdering your own offspring for “convenience” is just downright evil.
    Just maybe the biblical story in Genesis with the female temptress encouraging the male to partake of the “forbidden fruit” has merit.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Their embrace of rabid feminism does absolutely nothing to make them attractive to white males, but quite the opposite. They are man-hating harridans who expect white men to be “wimps”.
    White women almost always go for the “bad boy”

    White women go for the bad boy but want White men to be wimps?

    Most Asian women KNOW how to treat a man. They know when to be deferential and when to push to achieve their own interests.

    No one cares if you have oriental fever but don’t assume everyone wants the same thing.

    I had a hot Japanese girlfriend in college and was bored within a few months.

    Maybe you like a submissive woman. I certainly don’t and find it boring. I know I can be an a-hole and don’t want a little geisha girl telling me that my farts smell nice.

    I wanted a tough White woman with a couple tattoos and an occasional attitude problem. That is what I married. My friends are impressed with my wife and think I am lucky but I hunted her down like a wolf.

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    @John Johnson

    Yes, white women DO want the "bad boys" but once they are "hitched" the "bad boys" are expected to change. Women think that they can "change" men, but that usually ends in divorce, mostly initiated by the female when her "bad boy" husband refuses to "settle down".
    Asian women can be just as brutal as white women, if not more so. Asian women are not "submissive" by any means, but do "know when to stroke their man's ego", something white women could learn from.
    Ever hear of "tiger moms" who push their children to excellence? Many "tiger moms" expect (and get) excellence from their husbands as well.
    I am glad you found and pursued the woman of your dreams. Good catch!
    The best to you...

    Replies: @John Johnson

  166. @Malcolm Y
    Statistically this doesn't mean anything. But I'll give you my anecdote; I have 9 nephews and nieces from 2 sisters and 1 brother all born in southwestern Pennsylvania.

    3 of them are working class, 3 are middle class, 3 are in, I guess, upper middle class.

    Working class: Lawn service, House cleaning, Laborer
    Middle class: Lawn service, Geology, "Government"
    Upper middle: Dentist, Executive, Naval Officer

    The upper middle people come from the same family.
    The working class from the same family
    The middle class from 3 families.

    All the upper middle class people live in Colorado or California.
    All the others live in southwestern Pennsylvania or Ohio.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    This is interesting and a decent sample size for a non-scientific discussion. I’d like to see more of this. What class and professions are your two sisters and brother?

    My family is not as large – just two nephews attending well-regarded colleges. Both excellent students and D-III athletes. One considering law school and one in ROTC. Both parents are medical docs.

  167. @Polistra
    @traducteur


    There certainly are plenty of women in NYC. I remember noticing, when I was there, how willing they were to catch my eye and smile at me. Responsive as all get out.
     
    Yes dear, but that was 1944 and most men were fighting overseas.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I was in NYC last weekend for the opera and there were a ton of good looking women, but as someone noted above, they were more thin than voluptuous. A good number of well dressed hot Asian women. Almost everybody in the city walks a good bit.

    It was pretty safe on the West side from Penn Station to Columbus Circle. No more than the usual number of crazies and bums. Subway and Times Square were crowded even at midnight. But one of my seat mates at the opera said she drove in from LI because the railroad had become so dangerous.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jim Don Bob

    That's bad when the commuter railroad is dangerous.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  168. @Anon
    @Captain Tripps

    It's called intelligence. Industry in general is fucking stupid and two steps backwards for a modern economy, but extraction is especially stupid. What do you want to be like Russia, holding a resource that literally destroys its own infrastructure if you don't keep it moving (like what's going to happen in Russia if they don't turn the oil flow on in winter when it freezes).

    The world is turning away from fossil fuels. Declining birth rates, shrinking populations and modernising economies would make investment in an energy dense resource a tremendous failure. You're just too simple minded to understand, which is why your kind got dropkicked in the back at the polls last night.

    Replies: @ATBOTL, @William Badwhite, @Jim Don Bob

    The world is turning away from fossil fuels.

    Wrong, Tonto. Fossil fuels make the modern world possible.

    All the energy greening done recently to the tune of tri$$ions of dollars has reduced fossil fuels share of world wide energy consumption by about 1 percent.

    If the greenies were really serious, they would support nuclear power. But many are Luddites at heart – for others, not for themselves.

  169. @Jim Don Bob
    @Polistra

    I was in NYC last weekend for the opera and there were a ton of good looking women, but as someone noted above, they were more thin than voluptuous. A good number of well dressed hot Asian women. Almost everybody in the city walks a good bit.

    It was pretty safe on the West side from Penn Station to Columbus Circle. No more than the usual number of crazies and bums. Subway and Times Square were crowded even at midnight. But one of my seat mates at the opera said she drove in from LI because the railroad had become so dangerous.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    That’s bad when the commuter railroad is dangerous.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Steve Sailer

    There were many people at Penn Station Saturday at 5pm waiting for a train, and riding would not have bothered me. But I am not a 60+ year old woman by herself who has seen a bunch of crazy stuff on TV that might come true for her.

    I went to see the HD broadcast of La Traviata yesterday and vaguely saw both of us in one of the audience spans by the cameras during intermission.

  170. @John Johnson
    @anarchyst

    Their embrace of rabid feminism does absolutely nothing to make them attractive to white males, but quite the opposite. They are man-hating harridans who expect white men to be “wimps”.
    White women almost always go for the “bad boy”

    White women go for the bad boy but want White men to be wimps?

    Most Asian women KNOW how to treat a man. They know when to be deferential and when to push to achieve their own interests.

    No one cares if you have oriental fever but don't assume everyone wants the same thing.

    I had a hot Japanese girlfriend in college and was bored within a few months.

    Maybe you like a submissive woman. I certainly don't and find it boring. I know I can be an a-hole and don't want a little geisha girl telling me that my farts smell nice.

    I wanted a tough White woman with a couple tattoos and an occasional attitude problem. That is what I married. My friends are impressed with my wife and think I am lucky but I hunted her down like a wolf.

    Replies: @anarchyst

    Yes, white women DO want the “bad boys” but once they are “hitched” the “bad boys” are expected to change. Women think that they can “change” men, but that usually ends in divorce, mostly initiated by the female when her “bad boy” husband refuses to “settle down”.
    Asian women can be just as brutal as white women, if not more so. Asian women are not “submissive” by any means, but do “know when to stroke their man’s ego”, something white women could learn from.
    Ever hear of “tiger moms” who push their children to excellence? Many “tiger moms” expect (and get) excellence from their husbands as well.
    I am glad you found and pursued the woman of your dreams. Good catch!
    The best to you…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @anarchyst

    Yes, white women DO want the “bad boys” but once they are “hitched” the “bad boys” are expected to change. Women think that they can “change” men, but that usually ends in divorce, mostly initiated by the female when her “bad boy” husband refuses to “settle down”.

    Oh I'm aware of the contradiction. Liberalism and unfortunately Christianity to some degree teach White women that men should be submissive but their true nature belies them.

    I wanted his take on it. If White women are still attracted to "bad boys" (which is really attraction to men with a spine and not necessarily immoral) then their expectation that men be submissive obviously has limitations.

    Asian women can be just as brutal as white women, if not more so. Asian women are not “submissive” by any means, but do “know when to stroke their man’s ego”, something white women could learn from.

    Well the one I dated was foreign born and completely submissive. She would make me food anytime I wanted and I was bored to tears. I've had multiple posters here tell me that this is the norm for foreign Asian women and the ideal. I was told it was what all men desired and after sleeping with her about a dozen times I really lost interest. Then I found out my roommate was secretly in love with her and I laughed in response. I said go ahead and take her, I don't care.

    I am glad you found and pursued the woman of your dreams. Good catch!
    The best to you…


    Thanks. It really did take some persistence.

  171. @Steve Sailer
    @Jim Don Bob

    That's bad when the commuter railroad is dangerous.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    There were many people at Penn Station Saturday at 5pm waiting for a train, and riding would not have bothered me. But I am not a 60+ year old woman by herself who has seen a bunch of crazy stuff on TV that might come true for her.

    I went to see the HD broadcast of La Traviata yesterday and vaguely saw both of us in one of the audience spans by the cameras during intermission.

  172. @anarchyst
    @John Johnson

    Yes, white women DO want the "bad boys" but once they are "hitched" the "bad boys" are expected to change. Women think that they can "change" men, but that usually ends in divorce, mostly initiated by the female when her "bad boy" husband refuses to "settle down".
    Asian women can be just as brutal as white women, if not more so. Asian women are not "submissive" by any means, but do "know when to stroke their man's ego", something white women could learn from.
    Ever hear of "tiger moms" who push their children to excellence? Many "tiger moms" expect (and get) excellence from their husbands as well.
    I am glad you found and pursued the woman of your dreams. Good catch!
    The best to you...

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Yes, white women DO want the “bad boys” but once they are “hitched” the “bad boys” are expected to change. Women think that they can “change” men, but that usually ends in divorce, mostly initiated by the female when her “bad boy” husband refuses to “settle down”.

    Oh I’m aware of the contradiction. Liberalism and unfortunately Christianity to some degree teach White women that men should be submissive but their true nature belies them.

    I wanted his take on it. If White women are still attracted to “bad boys” (which is really attraction to men with a spine and not necessarily immoral) then their expectation that men be submissive obviously has limitations.

    Asian women can be just as brutal as white women, if not more so. Asian women are not “submissive” by any means, but do “know when to stroke their man’s ego”, something white women could learn from.

    Well the one I dated was foreign born and completely submissive. She would make me food anytime I wanted and I was bored to tears. I’ve had multiple posters here tell me that this is the norm for foreign Asian women and the ideal. I was told it was what all men desired and after sleeping with her about a dozen times I really lost interest. Then I found out my roommate was secretly in love with her and I laughed in response. I said go ahead and take her, I don’t care.

    I am glad you found and pursued the woman of your dreams. Good catch!
    The best to you…

    Thanks. It really did take some persistence.

  173. @Anonymous
    @Dream


    Yeah, the link shows that majority of Asian women are married to Asian men. The same old inability to grasp statistics – sigh.
     
    "Asian" includes south Asian. We're talking about East Asian, which is best reflected by the US born statistic in that quote. As you may be able to read, the quote says that 54% of US born Asian women are outmarried.


    Your problem is that you're too stupid to realize how stupid you are.


    For US born Chinese women, a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men. Same for US born Korean women, US born Vietnamese women and US born Filipino women.
    CDC WONDER stats.
     
    LOL! More like CDC BUTTCRACK stats.
    Here's some real stats for you, honey:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbGtwFsU8AEXmr3.jpg

    In every single one of the US-born ethnicities you mentioned, less than half of the females marry an Asian.

    Hell, less than 40% marry someone from their own ethnicity.

    This is the end of your self-esteem.


    This is even more ridiculous. You back up your claim “the average white man married to an Asian woman is taller than the average white man married to a white woman ” by showing a study that interracial daters of various races are more attractive than non-interracial daters of various races. As astute as usual
     
    No I didn't, I just posted that because I had it there. I am not sifting through the web again to find the height data hut it's there, it's taken from the same study that determined income preferences. However facial attractiveness is closely associated with male height, as is personal income.


    Basically it's a really bad day to be you... Again!

    Replies: @Dream

    “Asian” includes south Asian. We’re talking about East Asian, which is best reflected by the US born statistic in that quote. As you may be able to read, the quote says that 54% of US born Asian women are outmarried.

    Your problem is that you’re too stupid to realize how stupid you are.

    No. Majority of East Asian and Southeast Asian women are married to Asian men.

    LOL! More like CDC BUTTCRACK stats.
    Here’s some real stats for you, honey:

    In every single one of the US-born ethnicities you mentioned, less than half of the females marry an Asian.

    Hell, less than 40% marry someone from their own ethnicity.

    This is the end of your self-esteem.

    Posting outdated charts intended for children is not going to cut it.

    Among US-born Chinese women, more babies are fathered by Asian men than white men. You can have check it out here: https://wonder.cdc.gov/natality-expanded-current.html

    However, I understand that navigating that site requires a certain amount of cognitive ability, so here I present the results directly. (I will help further – see Query Criteria)

    The same for US-born Korean women – a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men.

    And this is just for US-born women, majority of Asians are foreign-born( who are much more endogamous).

    No I didn’t, I just posted that because I had it there. I am not sifting through the web again to find the height data hut it’s there, it’s taken from the same study that determined income preferences. However facial attractiveness is closely associated with male height, as is personal income.

    Basically it’s a really bad day to be you… Again!

    Nothing to back up your claim, then. As is usual.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Dream


    No. Majority of East Asian and Southeast Asian women are married to Asian men.
     
    KEEP DREAMING, baby!


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbGtwFsU8AEXmr3.jpg


    Less than 50% of US born East and Southeast Asian women married Asian! 2008-2016 is not outdated. Keep hoping and praying because the rate of interracial marriages between Asan women and white men has only increased.


    Among US-born Chinese women, more babies are fathered by Asian men than white men.
     
    That has nothing to do with marriage. Birth rates aren't marriage rates or cohabitation rates. The number of Asian women giving birth is miniscule.


    Thank you for admitting that you have no data to counter the multiple sources that say East Asian women are mostly married to white men.

    Also must be cold comfort knowing that ~50% of Asian women's births are to non-Asian men.


    And this is just for US-born women, majority of Asians are foreign-born( who are much more endogamous).
     
    And far less numerous (and fertile).

    Nothing to back up your claim, then.
     
    Keep pretending a study that said white men with Asian women are more attractive doesn't matter.

    Replies: @Dream

    , @Anon
    @Dream

    I think you are selectively choosing a census region from the CDC's website that is closest to what you could hope for it to be.

    That's because I got totally different results on that site: the majority of births to Korean and Chinese women were to white men in my region (CENS-R2).

    I wouldn't put rigging screenshots by hiding the census region above a punk like you.

    Even so, wherever the data in your screenshots is from (you conveniently cut that out of the screenshot), among Chinese women, births to white men are nearly 70% of births to Asian men.

    3080 = 70% of 4312

    A suspiciously high number of fathers are listed as unknown (1256).


    Your Korean data isn't much better. Korean women's births to White fathers are 60% of the births to Asian fathers.

    This isn't normal.

    Replies: @Dream

  174. It is amusing how people’s comments on so-called love in the present day (e.g. this replies section) say everything about themselves and add nothing to any facts at hand.

  175. @Jay Fink
    @Dream

    Jewish intermarriage seems extremely high in both genders. So much so that full blooded Jews will become rare in the near future. Something really changed around the 1980s. When my parents married in the 60s there was still extreme pressure for Jews to mate with each other. By the 80s I noticed Jews dating and marrying gentiles was becoming very common. I went to some type of Jewish teen social event in the 80s, none of the girls were interested in the guys there. I think we were too nerdy for them. I would later see them, especially the most attractive girls, with tall athletic gentile boyfriends.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Dream, @Almost Missouri

    Jewish intermarriage seems extremely high in both genders. So much so that full blooded Jews will become rare in the near future.

    Fear not.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Dream

    I find it amusing that this dumb fuck Dream posted data showing a fertility rate of 1.2 for Korean women while bragging about how "only" 70% of Korean women's births are to non-Asian men in 2020.

    Some jokes write themselves.

  176. @traducteur
    There certainly are plenty of women in NYC. I remember noticing, when I was there, how willing they were to catch my eye and smile at me. Responsive as all get out. If you want women, young man, go to NYC!

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Polistra, @Jack P

    There are absolutely lots of women in NYC. But they are not likely to be smiling.

  177. @Almost Missouri
    @Reg Cæsar

    The data were filtered to be non-Hispanic whites only, so unless there has been a lot of immigration from the Euro-periphery, immigrants shouldn't be a big factor in the results.

    Steve and I puzzled over the male skew (among young whites) of Los Angeles quite a bit. Gay in-migration was a theory of Steve and AnotherDad, which is probably at least partially true. I think there may be a more subtle answer though. Depending who's counting and how, the white population Los Angeles is somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 Jewish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles#Race_and_ethnicity

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Los_Angeles

    So whatever LA Jews are up to will have a pronounced effect on the non-Hispanic white census category in LA. I have the impression that among Jews there is significant young male migration from the Northeast to Los Angeles.

    When Horace Greeley told young New Yorkers of a century and a half ago to "Go West young man!", he meant to the wild frontier to build the nation. When Howie Greenberg tells young New Yorkers today to "Go West young man!", he means to screenwrite and do standup. So this may be the prime source of the excess young white men in LA.

    Incidentally, this means that a certain portion of the excess young white women in NYC are the Jewish girls those migrant men left behind.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ATBOTL, @Reg Cæsar, @Anon55uu

    From TV it seems every industry in LA is part of the entertainment industry. There is an enjoyable trashy tv show about Real Estate brokers on the west side called Million Dollar Listing Los Angeles, which broadly features gays, jews and gay jews. With one sassy half Armenian woman.

    https://www.bravotv.com/million-dollar-listing-los-angeles

  178. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dream
    @Anonymous


    “Asian” includes south Asian. We’re talking about East Asian, which is best reflected by the US born statistic in that quote. As you may be able to read, the quote says that 54% of US born Asian women are outmarried.

    Your problem is that you’re too stupid to realize how stupid you are.
     
    No. Majority of East Asian and Southeast Asian women are married to Asian men.

    LOL! More like CDC BUTTCRACK stats.
    Here’s some real stats for you, honey:

    In every single one of the US-born ethnicities you mentioned, less than half of the females marry an Asian.

    Hell, less than 40% marry someone from their own ethnicity.

    This is the end of your self-esteem.
     
    Posting outdated charts intended for children is not going to cut it.

    Among US-born Chinese women, more babies are fathered by Asian men than white men. You can have check it out here: https://wonder.cdc.gov/natality-expanded-current.html

    However, I understand that navigating that site requires a certain amount of cognitive ability, so here I present the results directly. (I will help further - see Query Criteria)
    https://i.ibb.co/6DStwWy/download.png

    The same for US-born Korean women - a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men.
    https://i.ibb.co/Wgjk0fz/download.png

    And this is just for US-born women, majority of Asians are foreign-born( who are much more endogamous).

    No I didn’t, I just posted that because I had it there. I am not sifting through the web again to find the height data hut it’s there, it’s taken from the same study that determined income preferences. However facial attractiveness is closely associated with male height, as is personal income.

    Basically it’s a really bad day to be you… Again!
     
    Nothing to back up your claim, then. As is usual.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon

    No. Majority of East Asian and Southeast Asian women are married to Asian men.

    KEEP DREAMING, baby!

    Less than 50% of US born East and Southeast Asian women married Asian! 2008-2016 is not outdated. Keep hoping and praying because the rate of interracial marriages between Asan women and white men has only increased.

    Among US-born Chinese women, more babies are fathered by Asian men than white men.

    That has nothing to do with marriage. Birth rates aren’t marriage rates or cohabitation rates. The number of Asian women giving birth is miniscule.

    Thank you for admitting that you have no data to counter the multiple sources that say East Asian women are mostly married to white men.

    Also must be cold comfort knowing that ~50% of Asian women’s births are to non-Asian men.

    And this is just for US-born women, majority of Asians are foreign-born( who are much more endogamous).

    And far less numerous (and fertile).

    Nothing to back up your claim, then.

    Keep pretending a study that said white men with Asian women are more attractive doesn’t matter.

    • Replies: @Dream
    @Anon


    Less than 50% of US born East and Southeast Asian women married Asian! 2008-2016 is not outdated. Keep hoping and praying because the rate of interracial marriages between Asan women and white men has only increased.
     
    Majority of East Asian and Southeast Asian women in America are married to Asian men. Your original claim was:
    "I hope you don’t actually believe that cope. East and Southeast women, the kind of Asian women we are talking about, are more often than not married to someone of another race."
    Of course, you then diverted to US-born women.
    However, even for US-born East Asian and South East Asian women, a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men(2020 statistics).

    That has nothing to do with marriage. Birth rates aren’t marriage rates or cohabitation rates. The number of Asian women giving birth is miniscule.

    Thank you for admitting that you have no data to counter the multiple sources that say East Asian women are mostly married to white men.

    Also must be cold comfort knowing that ~50% of Asian women’s births are to non-Asian men.
     
    Most babies born to East Asian women are fathered by Asian men. East Asian men father less children than White men do. The conclusion about East Asian women's marriages and cohabitations should be apparent even to the cognitively impaired.
    https://i.ibb.co/1XhjgFQ/download.png
    https://i.ibb.co/GQRCynw/download.png

    And far less numerous (and fertile).
     
    More numerous as well as endogamous, yes. Most Asians are foreign born. You are severely lacking in rudimentary knowledge.

    Keep pretending a study that said white men with Asian women are more attractive doesn’t matter.
     
    There was no such study. The study was about interracial daters of various races.
  179. @Dream
    @Jay Fink


    Jewish intermarriage seems extremely high in both genders. So much so that full blooded Jews will become rare in the near future.
     
    Fear not.
    https://twitter.com/BirthGauge/status/1583095374654283776?t=Q6iyKfiAxeoohTABq1xlCw&s=19

    Replies: @Anon

    I find it amusing that this dumb fuck Dream posted data showing a fertility rate of 1.2 for Korean women while bragging about how “only” 70% of Korean women’s births are to non-Asian men in 2020.

    Some jokes write themselves.

  180. Anon[377] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dream
    @Anonymous


    “Asian” includes south Asian. We’re talking about East Asian, which is best reflected by the US born statistic in that quote. As you may be able to read, the quote says that 54% of US born Asian women are outmarried.

    Your problem is that you’re too stupid to realize how stupid you are.
     
    No. Majority of East Asian and Southeast Asian women are married to Asian men.

    LOL! More like CDC BUTTCRACK stats.
    Here’s some real stats for you, honey:

    In every single one of the US-born ethnicities you mentioned, less than half of the females marry an Asian.

    Hell, less than 40% marry someone from their own ethnicity.

    This is the end of your self-esteem.
     
    Posting outdated charts intended for children is not going to cut it.

    Among US-born Chinese women, more babies are fathered by Asian men than white men. You can have check it out here: https://wonder.cdc.gov/natality-expanded-current.html

    However, I understand that navigating that site requires a certain amount of cognitive ability, so here I present the results directly. (I will help further - see Query Criteria)
    https://i.ibb.co/6DStwWy/download.png

    The same for US-born Korean women - a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men.
    https://i.ibb.co/Wgjk0fz/download.png

    And this is just for US-born women, majority of Asians are foreign-born( who are much more endogamous).

    No I didn’t, I just posted that because I had it there. I am not sifting through the web again to find the height data hut it’s there, it’s taken from the same study that determined income preferences. However facial attractiveness is closely associated with male height, as is personal income.

    Basically it’s a really bad day to be you… Again!
     
    Nothing to back up your claim, then. As is usual.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon

    I think you are selectively choosing a census region from the CDC’s website that is closest to what you could hope for it to be.

    That’s because I got totally different results on that site: the majority of births to Korean and Chinese women were to white men in my region (CENS-R2).

    I wouldn’t put rigging screenshots by hiding the census region above a punk like you.

    Even so, wherever the data in your screenshots is from (you conveniently cut that out of the screenshot), among Chinese women, births to white men are nearly 70% of births to Asian men.

    3080 = 70% of 4312

    A suspiciously high number of fathers are listed as unknown (1256).

    Your Korean data isn’t much better. Korean women’s births to White fathers are 60% of the births to Asian fathers.

    This isn’t normal.

    • Replies: @Dream
    @Anon


    I think you are selectively choosing a census region from the CDC’s website that is closest to what you could hope for it to be.

     

    Nah, that's for entire America. Grouping results by "Census Region of Residence" is not necessary.

    That’s because I got totally different results on that site: the majority of births to Korean and Chinese women were to white men in my region (CENS-R2).
     
    We are not dealing with just the Midwest.

    I wouldn’t put rigging screenshots by hiding the census region above a punk like you.

    Even so, wherever the data in your screenshots is from (you conveniently cut that out of the screenshot), among Chinese women, births to white men are nearly 70% of births to Asian men.
     
    There is no reason to group results by "Census Region of Residence", when you can get the results for entire America.
    The result is for US-born Chinese women only. Majority of babies born to Chinese women are fathered by Asian men.

    A suspiciously high number of fathers are listed as unknown (1256).

    Your Korean data isn’t much better. Korean women’s births to White fathers are 60% of the births to Asian fathers.

    This isn’t normal.
     
    That isn't normal to the misinformed.
  181. @John Johnson
    @Brutusale

    I think a lot of financial guys whose firms have moved to Florida are going to find women there with the same quality looks without the emotional baggage those types carry Up North.

    Have you actually been to Florida?

    The state is packed with nutters.

    It was actually filled with felons before the advent of air conditioning. Wanted men would move deep into the state and no one would bother going after them.

    Yes they have pretty women.

    Pretty women that all have a meth'd out cousin looking for some quick cash. Good luck to anyone trying to find a woman there.

    I would go with Nashville.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    I’ve been visiting Florida at least once a year since 1988, when my parents moved south. Both of my younger brothers seem to have found lovely wives in FL, and they have 7 kids between them. One is a strings teacher for rich Asians, the other is the practice manager of a clinic in Tampa. One is a a classic Nice White Lady teacher type, a pleasant but dotty liberal, the other is half Cuban and more conservative than I am.

    But hey, argue with this guy. He’s got a few billion dollars invested, so he must be a believer.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/citadels-ken-griffin-touts-florida-great-environment-and-streets-are-safe-and-clean

    Given the election results, I’d be hard-pressed to think people in Florida are nuttier than those here in the People’s Commonwealth of MA. And MA has PLENTY of methheads of its own.

    Tampa had 41 murders last year, while Boston had 58.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Brutusale

    I'm not saying you can't have a good life in Florida or that there aren't any women. I would certainly prefer it to a lot of liberal states.

    But the state has a lot of nutcases and anyone that lives there will admit it.

    Your link talks about a wealthy guy moving to Palm Beach which is a retirement community. I doubt he will be driving around Jacksonville or the Redneck Riveria.

    Given the election results, I’d be hard-pressed to think people in Florida are nuttier than those here in the People’s Commonwealth of MA. And MA has PLENTY of methheads of its own.

    Tampa had 41 murders last year, while Boston had 58.

    Murders really aren't a measurement of nutcases. Most are committed by Blacks and have nothing to do with quality of life for Whites.

    You are in MA? Take a 4 day vacation in Tampa and drive around the state. There is something in the air. I'm not talking Republicans, Democrats, race or anything like that. They have a craziness all to their own. It is a lot more crowded than people realize which I think is part of it. The beaches are nice but the inland areas hold a lot of crazies.

  182. California– Santa Clara County –84% -15,339

    Look at that. They don’t call it Man Jose for nothing.

  183. @Brutusale
    @John Johnson

    I've been visiting Florida at least once a year since 1988, when my parents moved south. Both of my younger brothers seem to have found lovely wives in FL, and they have 7 kids between them. One is a strings teacher for rich Asians, the other is the practice manager of a clinic in Tampa. One is a a classic Nice White Lady teacher type, a pleasant but dotty liberal, the other is half Cuban and more conservative than I am.

    But hey, argue with this guy. He's got a few billion dollars invested, so he must be a believer.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/citadels-ken-griffin-touts-florida-great-environment-and-streets-are-safe-and-clean

    Given the election results, I'd be hard-pressed to think people in Florida are nuttier than those here in the People's Commonwealth of MA. And MA has PLENTY of methheads of its own.

    Tampa had 41 murders last year, while Boston had 58.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I’m not saying you can’t have a good life in Florida or that there aren’t any women. I would certainly prefer it to a lot of liberal states.

    But the state has a lot of nutcases and anyone that lives there will admit it.

    Your link talks about a wealthy guy moving to Palm Beach which is a retirement community. I doubt he will be driving around Jacksonville or the Redneck Riveria.

    Given the election results, I’d be hard-pressed to think people in Florida are nuttier than those here in the People’s Commonwealth of MA. And MA has PLENTY of methheads of its own.

    Tampa had 41 murders last year, while Boston had 58.

    Murders really aren’t a measurement of nutcases. Most are committed by Blacks and have nothing to do with quality of life for Whites.

    You are in MA? Take a 4 day vacation in Tampa and drive around the state. There is something in the air. I’m not talking Republicans, Democrats, race or anything like that. They have a craziness all to their own. It is a lot more crowded than people realize which I think is part of it. The beaches are nice but the inland areas hold a lot of crazies.

  184. Show us on this doll where Florida touched you, son!

  185. My (limited) first-hand experience with Asian women: the first one I dated and was intimate with was a classmate in my MBA program. She was from Taiwan, spoke good English, was well=traveled, and looked like a gorgeous, slim, feminine, well-dressed, long silky-haired, James Bond girl! She was studying in the US and was determined to enjoy everything the US offered, including White American men! We had a 2-month fling before she graduated and went to Europe and her German boyfriend at Deutsche Bank.

    The next one was shortly after getting the MBA and my first post-MBA job in the midwest. She was half White/half Vietnamese and gorgeous. Arrived in the US in the early ’80s as a refugee, earned her MS Comp Sci but ended up opening her own successful hair salon. I had to let her go after a two-month fling when her jealous former boyfriend (Americanized Vietnamese) was starting to get aggressive.

  186. @Jay Fink
    @Dream

    Jewish intermarriage seems extremely high in both genders. So much so that full blooded Jews will become rare in the near future. Something really changed around the 1980s. When my parents married in the 60s there was still extreme pressure for Jews to mate with each other. By the 80s I noticed Jews dating and marrying gentiles was becoming very common. I went to some type of Jewish teen social event in the 80s, none of the girls were interested in the guys there. I think we were too nerdy for them. I would later see them, especially the most attractive girls, with tall athletic gentile boyfriends.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Dream, @Almost Missouri

    Jewish intermarriage [out-marriage] seems extremely high in both genders. So much so that full blooded Jews will become rare in the near future.

    It is … among secular Jews. The second sentence doesn’t quite follow from the first, though. Jewish birthrates have long been sustained not by the low-fertility secular Jews, but by the high fertility Orthodox Jews.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/pornographic-dissonance/#comment-3637031

    The Jewish population growth rate has been higher than the non-Hispanic white population growth rate for most of US history, and looks set to remain so for the foreseeable future.

  187. @Anon
    @Dream


    No. Majority of East Asian and Southeast Asian women are married to Asian men.
     
    KEEP DREAMING, baby!


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbGtwFsU8AEXmr3.jpg


    Less than 50% of US born East and Southeast Asian women married Asian! 2008-2016 is not outdated. Keep hoping and praying because the rate of interracial marriages between Asan women and white men has only increased.


    Among US-born Chinese women, more babies are fathered by Asian men than white men.
     
    That has nothing to do with marriage. Birth rates aren't marriage rates or cohabitation rates. The number of Asian women giving birth is miniscule.


    Thank you for admitting that you have no data to counter the multiple sources that say East Asian women are mostly married to white men.

    Also must be cold comfort knowing that ~50% of Asian women's births are to non-Asian men.


    And this is just for US-born women, majority of Asians are foreign-born( who are much more endogamous).
     
    And far less numerous (and fertile).

    Nothing to back up your claim, then.
     
    Keep pretending a study that said white men with Asian women are more attractive doesn't matter.

    Replies: @Dream

    Less than 50% of US born East and Southeast Asian women married Asian! 2008-2016 is not outdated. Keep hoping and praying because the rate of interracial marriages between Asan women and white men has only increased.

    Majority of East Asian and Southeast Asian women in America are married to Asian men. Your original claim was:
    “I hope you don’t actually believe that cope. East and Southeast women, the kind of Asian women we are talking about, are more often than not married to someone of another race.”
    Of course, you then diverted to US-born women.
    However, even for US-born East Asian and South East Asian women, a plurality of babies are fathered by Asian men(2020 statistics).

    That has nothing to do with marriage. Birth rates aren’t marriage rates or cohabitation rates. The number of Asian women giving birth is miniscule.

    Thank you for admitting that you have no data to counter the multiple sources that say East Asian women are mostly married to white men.

    Also must be cold comfort knowing that ~50% of Asian women’s births are to non-Asian men.

    Most babies born to East Asian women are fathered by Asian men. East Asian men father less children than White men do. The conclusion about East Asian women’s marriages and cohabitations should be apparent even to the cognitively impaired.

    And far less numerous (and fertile).

    More numerous as well as endogamous, yes. Most Asians are foreign born. You are severely lacking in rudimentary knowledge.

    Keep pretending a study that said white men with Asian women are more attractive doesn’t matter.

    There was no such study. The study was about interracial daters of various races.

  188. @Anon
    @Dream

    I think you are selectively choosing a census region from the CDC's website that is closest to what you could hope for it to be.

    That's because I got totally different results on that site: the majority of births to Korean and Chinese women were to white men in my region (CENS-R2).

    I wouldn't put rigging screenshots by hiding the census region above a punk like you.

    Even so, wherever the data in your screenshots is from (you conveniently cut that out of the screenshot), among Chinese women, births to white men are nearly 70% of births to Asian men.

    3080 = 70% of 4312

    A suspiciously high number of fathers are listed as unknown (1256).


    Your Korean data isn't much better. Korean women's births to White fathers are 60% of the births to Asian fathers.

    This isn't normal.

    Replies: @Dream

    I think you are selectively choosing a census region from the CDC’s website that is closest to what you could hope for it to be.

    Nah, that’s for entire America. Grouping results by “Census Region of Residence” is not necessary.

    That’s because I got totally different results on that site: the majority of births to Korean and Chinese women were to white men in my region (CENS-R2).

    We are not dealing with just the Midwest.

    I wouldn’t put rigging screenshots by hiding the census region above a punk like you.

    Even so, wherever the data in your screenshots is from (you conveniently cut that out of the screenshot), among Chinese women, births to white men are nearly 70% of births to Asian men.

    There is no reason to group results by “Census Region of Residence”, when you can get the results for entire America.
    The result is for US-born Chinese women only. Majority of babies born to Chinese women are fathered by Asian men.

    A suspiciously high number of fathers are listed as unknown (1256).

    Your Korean data isn’t much better. Korean women’s births to White fathers are 60% of the births to Asian fathers.

    This isn’t normal.

    That isn’t normal to the misinformed.

  189. @Zero Philosopher
    @smetana

    That's my quote. And no, you can go to European countries, and notice that urban, more liberal people tend to look more gracile than country folk.

    But the issue gets confusing since in countries like Holland, Denmark and Sweden the vast, vast majority of people are strongly liberal. Not surprising, since these countries are the cradle of liberalism. So it's ac's actually more useful to compare peoples directly.

    Key point: New York wholefood shoppers(liberals) tend to look the way they do, and citizens of El Paso Texas tend to look the way that they do, because the first are liberal and the second conservatives, not because of ethnicity.

    Replies: @smetana, @Alyosha

    Key point: New York wholefood shoppers(liberals) tend to look the way they do, and citizens of El Paso Texas tend to look the way that they do, because the first are liberal and the second conservatives, not because of ethnicity.

    Besides ethnicity (genetic), there’s also genetic variation in testosterone in both sexes. T –> robust-looking.

    If you have clinically-low T, you may end up being a staffer in public radio.
    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/220/transcript
    Even when you find out that you have clinically-low T, you don’t supplement. Your low T is a result of your ancestors’ mating choices, which is genetic. But your ancestors were probably non-rural and liberal like you, which is cultural.

  190. @Thoughts
    If you are a white woman in an area with a decent number of Asian women...

    You MUST get out (if you don't marry your high school or college sweetheart)

    There is no way in hell you will marry a white man in such a scenario. My hometown is filled with single 30+ white women of average looks with no hope in high heaven of getting married to a white male.

    When I went back with my spouse to my hometown, we were the only white white couple...

    But the fun thing was, because I married So F-ing Well, We got Stares like we were Gods...

    The white men with the Asian wives were shamed by my family's existence

    My spouse, who grew up super naïve in an all-white area, was shocked

    At a tourist spot, we had Asian Tourists ask to take photos with us...

    If you are a white male who chooses to mate outside your race, you are a fool

    For the white women of average looks who can't compete with the Asian female menace...use a sperm donor and raise the kid to not date anyone but whites [although most of those women are liberals so...]

    And to the white women...for God's sakes the only reason Asian females are your friends is to get access to your white male relatives...seen it 100000% times

    Replies: @anarchyst, @Anon

    “…you are a fool”. Well maybe, but when I was in the market, white women were either crazy, leftist, cold, or all of the above.

  191. @pirelli
    Every halfway attractive white girl wonders whether she could “make it” in NYC, and a fair number of them move there to try, most commonly after college (I bet this chart would be even more skewed if you looked only at college-educated whites).

    Anecdotally, I’ve heard from many friends that the dating odds for straight guys in NY are absolutely fantastic. By contrast, I’ve heard that LA’s are some of the worst.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Every halfway attractive white girl wonders whether she could “make it” in NYC, and a fair number of them move there to try,

    Make it in what way? Professionally? In dating? Finding a spouse there?

  192. @BosTex
    @Jay Fink

    I came close to marrying a Jewish girl in the late-1980s.

    Her father was incredibly opposed to the point of hatred; her mother liked me and was not opposed.

    My mom didn’t like the “Jew Girl”, but whatever.

    I think was more class based hatred than religion based hatred: not only a Christian, but a poor one from the wrong side of the tracks, etc.

    It probably would have been less difficult if I had been same class background. Didn’t help that I was banging his daughter silly.N

    We broke it off just after college graduation…always makes me wonder what might have been.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Her father was incredibly opposed to the point of hatred;

    How did his opposition or hatred manifest itself?

  193. He told my then girlfriend: “I hate your boyfriend.” Lol.

    He was kind of an angry, choleric person, with an angry, unhappy looking face.

    However: he was very well off and can’t say I blame him for wanting someone from the upper class (preferably Jewish!) dating his daughter.

    Dating me may have been a safe and easy way for his daughter to say: “eff you dad.”

    She had all sorts of family unhappiness with both her mother and father. She didn’t get along with either.

    This seemed mysterious to me since I liked and got along with my parents. They were lovable and admirable people.

  194. @Zero Philosopher
    @smetana

    That's my quote. And no, you can go to European countries, and notice that urban, more liberal people tend to look more gracile than country folk.

    But the issue gets confusing since in countries like Holland, Denmark and Sweden the vast, vast majority of people are strongly liberal. Not surprising, since these countries are the cradle of liberalism. So it's ac's actually more useful to compare peoples directly.

    Key point: New York wholefood shoppers(liberals) tend to look the way they do, and citizens of El Paso Texas tend to look the way that they do, because the first are liberal and the second conservatives, not because of ethnicity.

    Replies: @smetana, @Alyosha

    Whole foods is a Texas company, it was started there and popularized there before spreading and becoming massively popular with the rest of the country as well.

  195. @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @UCSBmagyar

    Roissy used to paint a similar picture of DC.

    In this day and age, a surplus of women, by itself, is a poor indicator of one's chances to find a mate.

    Replies: @dcite

    This is a perfect reason why the use of “conservative” and “liberal” make no sense. Left and right make more sense. Ultra-liberal, leftist places like Oregon and Washington state actually have very high obesity rates, especially among women.

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