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EU Chief: Borders Must Stay Open Despite Deadly Terror Attacks
by VIRGINIA HALE 24 Dec 20161,078
The best way to fight terror is with “openness”, European Union (EU) head Jean-Claude Juncker has said, stressing that Europe must continue to receive migrants in the wake of the deadly truck attack in Berlin.
But what the kissy Luxembourgeois has to say is worth parsing because he represents mainstream European Union ideology, which has, without anybody much noticing, become increasingly anti-European.
Speaking to Funke Mediengruppe on Saturday, the president of the European Commission warned that the “rhetoric of exclusion” strengthens terrorists, and called for more EU involvement in nations’ internal security.
It would seem to me that if the European Union wants to save itself, it would call for more EU involvement in the continent’s external security.
“Terror only takes us if we allow it”, he said of the attack on Monday, in which a Tunisian migrant ploughed a truck into people at a Christmas market killing 12 and injuring many more.
Declaring that “the basic values for which the European Union stands remain unchanged”, Juncker insisted the continent “must continue to offer refuge to people who flee from war zones and from terror.”
The basic value for which the European Union stands used to be Europhilia, but at some point it transmuted into Europhobia.
When you stop to think about it, this change from pro-European to anti-European seems very strange.
But there must be some sort of ideological inevitability to this progression because nobody else seems to have noticed.
He added that it “would be wrong to put all refugees under suspicion”, stating “Hate and terror have no religion, no sex, no country of origin.”
In an apparent swipe at populists in Europe who believe restricting mass migration from the Middle East and Africa would make the continent safer, Juncker said: “Anyone who pounces on the rhetoric of exclusion is helping the extremists’ way of thinking, which strengthens their spiral of hate.”
“This neither creates solutions nor helps the victims and their relatives.”
Standing firm on the idea that liberalism is the best response to repeated attacks on Europeans, the EU chief said: “Our values, our way of living together in freedom, coexistence, and openness are the best weapons against terror.”
Juncker also noted that freedom of movement across the Schengen area is helpful to terrorists, but said the solution to this is a stronger EU, asserting that “national domestic policy alone is no longer sufficient.”
Okay, but if you want to preserve the pleasant amenity of open borders within the Schengen area, then doesn’t that imply closed borders around the Schengen area, rather than, say, the Italian navy towing migrants from just off the Libyan coast to the EU?
It’s weird how the only choices conceivable appear to be nationalism versus globalism, while continentalism isn’t even a word.
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The EU is a recreation of Christendom without the Christianity. Soon enough to be Europe without the Europeans.
Previously, European regulators went after Microsoft for bundling products no one wanted with ones they did. Now, the EU bundles policies Europeans mostly want (free trade within the EU and passport free travel within the Schengen zone) with one they don’t (mass third world migration into the EU).
Home Office targets nail bars over illegal immigration
Dozens of arrests as people ‘at risk of modern slavery’ and potential victims of trafficking among almost 100 workers held
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/28/home-office-targets-nail-bars-over-illegal-immigration
Illegal immigration means women get cheap high quality nail servicing, while men get cheap high quality prostitutes. Women and men pretty much covers everyone.
Of course here in the US of A the Asian women working nail salons are ... well ... also prostitutes.
https://twitter.com/dr_davidson/status/790927893643857920
As I’ve gotten older I’ve come to realize just how brilliant Aristotle truly was. “Moderation in all things,” sounds very simple and almost trite, but in practice human beings seldom achieve it, especially when they act in groups. But you are right, Steve, EU leaders act as if there’s no middle ground between virulent nationalism or open borders globalism.
It usually means they are trying to define any opposition to their plans as unreasonable, or worse.
Best thing to do is challenge them on it - as Steve is doing here.
It’s a very obvious but rarely spoken fact, that the main role of the EU is the integration of Germany into Europe, or in other words, the prevention of a German nationalism. This is the real meaning of the often mentioned goal of “preventing war in Europe”. France has been sidelined by events much like after Versailles. When German re-unified, peacefully, rather than through wars of restoration like last time, there was little that France could do to oppose it, even morally. German leadership knew how sensitive this issue was, so it pushed for the Maastricht treaty, firmly binding Germany to a new liberal institutional order, which became the basis of the new EU. So France became stuck in an impossible quagmire: it could not oppose German hegemony through war, but also not through peace. A more robust EU would eventually be dominated by Germany and France could do nothing to help it.
They've concluded there's no better way to prevent German nationalism than by destroying the German nation.
Everyone is conservative about what he knows best.
Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.
The behavior of any bureaucratic organization can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies.
Robert Conquest
(I raise your Die Hard villain Jean-Claude Juncker one Robert Conquest)
It’s almost like they aren’t actually thinking this up themselves, but only doing what some other people are telling them—-people who greatly dislike Europeans and European religion and culture.
For a very long time, the Catholic Church was obsessed with paranoia over the Masons and Masonic Lodges being engaged in various conpsiracies against it. This created lots of mockery of the Church about this and exaggerations of the Church’s concerns.
But it turns out the Masons were hostile to the Church. They were marching in Rome against the Church even in the 20th Century, carrying images to mock the church (e.g. portraits of the Devil). To this day, the Catholic Church bans Catholics from joining the Masons.
Yet the Church dropped it’s open paranoia of Masons after Vatican II. It was so buried that Pope Benedict XVI had to reaffirm the ban in the late 20th Century because so many people had forgotten it or were confused.
And this loss of paranoia coincided with the decline of the Church in the late 20th Century.
Losing our sense of paranoia and conspiracy is quite harmful.
I think the attitude in Brussels is that they don’t really know what they want. At some indefinite point in the future, this will all work out and they’ll be glad they had gotten it and thankful to the Junckers and other visionaries for forcing the issue in the meantime. It’s like how if a plebiscite on an EU referendum fails they keep having the plebiscites until it passes, and then have them no more. They did this in Ireland a few times, if I recall.
It’s the sort of Democracy you have with children, where you let them pick one of two equivalent outfits to give them the feeling that they are participating in choice-making without devolving any real power to them.
It should have been obvious what lay in store after the 1989 adoption of the European Convention on Human Rights (esp Articles 14 & 16), particularly in 1998 when the European Court of Human Rights became a permanent fixture able to heap additional burdens onto member states by decree (adding heft to the Articles in the Convention). The EU & Brussels are basically a wet dream for left wing lawyers & one world utopians. The EU bureaucracy should be seen less as an operable tumor within western civilization, to a potential Alien Chest Burster/Xenomorph. If it isn't removed within a couple yrs, it will be game over.
Also, consider the tremendous waste of money and unnecessary duplication of GPS systems, with EU founding a rival 'Galileo' system - merely because the Americans beat them to the march.
A number of things are motivating this. First, Educated White Western women respond to feelz and pictures of dead toddlers, not rapes of other White women or even rape-murders, particularly by swaggering, low IQ aggressive Muslims. Recall how women went bananas for Dhokar Tsarnaev, with IIRC the wife of noted writer Neil Gaiman writing a love song dedicated to Tsarnaev. Women love them their thugs; and guys like Jean Claude Juncker go along with whatever women want. They never say no, and enforce it.
Secondly there is a YUUUGGGEEE amount of Social Darwinism to Open Borders. Open Borders means defacto that only the most ruthless, determined, and advantaged White men advance, and every other White dude drowns in a sea of hostile Third Worlders (White women do just fine as mistresses and concubines etc. of the immavaders). Older White dudes have ZILCH solidarity to younger ones; indeed they are hostile, and can’t figure out why younger ones have problems living in a defacto semi-Zimbabwe mixed with Yemen.
Thirdly is the fact that the elites are MONUMENTALLY STUPID. I am continually amazed at just how stupid they are in every facet. Look at for example, Star Wars. Where does Star Wars make its money? Duh, TOYS FOR BOYS. That’s the whole money-making operation right there. Two consecutive Mary Sues with “diverse” and non-White casts means zero toy buying by parents of White boys. Girls don’t like testosterone fueled adventures, there is no singing and dancing and romance (but very soft) in the Star Wars movies, no funny and cute side-kick for the lead girl, and no emphasis on family. Frozen continues to mint money for Disney; while these Star Wars movies will underperform quite a bit in the toy business because elites who run Disney are stupid enough to actually believe diversity = money.
Jean Claude Juncker is no different from all the elites in the EU who have been indoctrinated in various feminist/marxist/SJW idiocies of “White Dudez are evil, one geek asked Mary Sue out for coffee in an elevator!” Juncker is stupid enough to believe in Lennon’s “Imagine.”
That’s the perils of an inbred, non-competitive elite. Active Hot Civil War in Europe is now an inevitability, with Frau Merkel’s Merkel Youth being the critical factor. Six Syrians and a Libyan attempted to set a German homeless man on fire Christmas Eve. Europeans get hostile Third World Muslims waging war on them on city streets, and in exchange they get … less welfare, less social services, less security, less employment, less freedom. And elites are stupid enough to think that’s stable.
I’m shocked there has not been a spate of Flight Lt. Jerry Rawlings or Master Sgt Samuel K. Does in Europe.
I'm as baffled as any of you. I'll concede that women are more prone to the "drowning immigrant" syndrome. But it's not as cut and dried as you think.
Lack of knowledge about Islam is a big factor. I've been extremely suspicious of Islam since 9/11.
I think there's a lot of denial about Islam. After all, no other religion is like them, so there's a tendency to think "they'll become more moderate." No they won't.
I've been kicked off liberal sites over Islam.
It was anti-nationalist from the beginning but has become more specifically anti-white, anti-christian and anti-western over time.
My guess is there’s a natural filtering effect when you create transnational bureaucracies – patriotic types are less inclined to want to work there so the average person working for the EU is further along the nationalist to liberal internationalist spectrum than the average govt type person in their home country (who are themselves shifted more that way than the average citizen).
So if you mapped the rise of SJWism among the political elite in Europe since the 60s the EU elite would simply be maybe 10 years ahead of the national equivalent.
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If correct then the EU types are simply the vanguard of Europe’s SJWs so the question becomes why are Europe’s SJWs becoming increasingly Europhobic?
It’s actually not entirely surprising when you think about it – we’re talking about mostly upper middle class people who have absolutely no personal experience of the negative aspects of diversity and so believe what the media tells them.
They see it every day in their newspapers and on the news – constant hate crimes by nasty white racists and it never happens the other way round. If they believe this then why wouldn’t they become SJWs with a dislike for those nasty white proles and the bigoted provincial middle class who are always being so mean to nice immigrants for no reason?
(Of course the truth is the media are simply lying to them but maybe people in this kind of bubble don’t know that.)
I was at a boarding school in Ireland in my teens and there were several boys whose parents worked in international relations on the Continent. One kid had the passports of 3 or 4 European nations somehow. Most of them from that contingent lacked a distinct Irish accent (you would probably guess a generic British accent if you met them). I think part of their parents' idea of sending them back to Ireland was to undo some of the deracination and alienation from Irish culture and traditions and promote a reconnection with their nation of origin. Conversely, there were many international students whose parents were attached at embassies in Ireland.
The EU really showed its true colours in 2011 when it spent million dishing out calendars to schools throughout Europe which...Quite.
It’s more like ultra-Christianity, and not even necessarily in the Nietzsche or Mencius Moldbug sense.
Pope Francis (even ol’ Benedict was a refugee enthusiast), the Archbishop of Canterbury, all the Scandi state churches, Merkel (who probably makes the biggest show of any Euro leader of being a churchgoing Christian), all the US churches from the Southern Baptist Convention and the Mormons on left, etc. etc.
To most church leaders, the West is a dead civilization, and arguably deserves it (going back to the French Revolution). For them, we are not worth saving.
Their secular salvation comes from their deity, his name is Kalergi.
i agree with everyone here, I believe the EU and global elite are still fighting the last war- which they see as internationalism vs nationalism (which conflates with facisim) .
once you understand that you can see why they don't see muslims as the enemy any more than FDRs cabinet so murderous communists as an enemy but did see america first as one.
Actually, European Union elites have been way too “Europhoric,” in my opinion; completely ignoring cultural and cognitive/psychological differences between the different European peoples and countries:
Visualizing Values Mismatch in the European Union
http://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/visualizing-values-mismatch-in-the-european-union/
EUROPE’S NORTH-SOUTH DIVIDE—A STUBBORN CHASM
http://www.europeaninstitute.org/index.php/ei-blog/155-european-affairs/ea-august-2012/1614-europes-north-south-dividea-stubborn-chasm
Cognitive emotion regulation and psychopathology across cultures: A comparison between six European countries
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886916302756
Narciphobia?
When a people worship Diversity and esp Negroes, their nation seems ‘wrong’ if it isn’t sufficiently ‘enriched’.
Even though Japan isn’t yet into mass-immigration, I think it is Asiaphobic in that Japanese grow up to white-ish anime, black/white sports in MMA, and Hollywood.
http://www.japansubculture.com/young-japanese-men-and-women-reject-marriage-and-ultimately-each-other/
The “solution” to Muslim terrorism is more Muslims!
What a bizarro world we live in.
Because you can’t really have continentalism with or without Germany.
Without Germany, you have a bunch of relatively insignificant countries.
With Germany, you have de facto German domination.
Geopolitically, the European continent is basically Germany. Even France is not really in the same league.
This could all be true but more to the point they’re groomed to be elite and go to school and socialize with the elites of other European (and African, Middle Eastern, etc.) nations. They often become deracinated in a certain way themselves – owing to time spent abroad they lose or never acquire a distinct accent from their home nation, don’t develop the sort of deep natural affinity and cultural markers one raised in his home nation would, etc. It’s a whiff at loyalty to class over nation.
I was at a boarding school in Ireland in my teens and there were several boys whose parents worked in international relations on the Continent. One kid had the passports of 3 or 4 European nations somehow. Most of them from that contingent lacked a distinct Irish accent (you would probably guess a generic British accent if you met them). I think part of their parents’ idea of sending them back to Ireland was to undo some of the deracination and alienation from Irish culture and traditions and promote a reconnection with their nation of origin. Conversely, there were many international students whose parents were attached at embassies in Ireland.
The “immigration illusion” is the idea that the immigrants will forever remain 15% or less of the population, no matter how many arrive. The Europeans are still at that stage.
The extremely popular English TV series, about London's Flying Squad ("The Sweeney"), sometimes showed the police running through the Brixton area of London. The criminals who they "nicked" (arrested) there were, with very few exceptions, White Cockneys. "The Sweeney" was filmed in the mid-seventies. By that time, after 30 years of steady immigration from the West Indies, Brixton was at least 80% Black.
Television has a hypnotizing effect on its victims. Addicts watch so much of it that they are far more likely to believe what they see on it rather than taking in what goes on about them, when television is turned off, for reality.
If a Third-World immigrant hasn't raped or murdered your mother or your sister recently - - - well then, Third-World immigration just isn't a pressing problem. People overdosing on TV will credit fantasy over reality every day of the week!Replies: @Lurker
I really like this graphic. It explains it well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0oIUb5UkAAX9wu.jpg:large
The EU was Europhobic in its origins. The first President of the Paneuropean Union, elected in 1923, was Count Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi. He envisioned the destruction of the existing European races through admixture with Africans. The new mixed race was to be ruled over by a new, primarily Jewish, aristocracy. From his book Practical Idealism written in 1925 (i.e. prior to the rise of National Socialism in Germany):
The Paneuropean Union is the oldest European unification movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union
The Coudenhove-Kalergi Foundation awarded its European Prize t0 Angela Merkel in 2010.
https://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/ContentArchiv/EN/Archiv17/Artikel/_2011/01/2011-01-13-merkel-europapreis_en.html
What's happened since is the mainstream EUophiles have become more and more like the Kalergi cult and overtly Europhobic.
There's probably multiple reasons but i think one is the media manipulating the political class for 50 years by presenting them with a false picture of reality that the political class don't know is false.
Although I welcome correction on this point, I don’t think that the Eastern Orthodox Church has the same level of enthusiasm for immivasion. I also wonder what the Eastern European bishops think–I wonder if the issue might be the source of a schism within the Roman Catholic Church.
(If the breakaway RC church let priests be normal men -- to marry and have children -- that would help too. The establishment RC church already has a rule specifically allowing them to poach clergy from other denominations who are already married with children, so apparently they don't really think it's necessarily immoral or inappropriate.
A breakaway Catholic Church, allied with Eastern Orthodox churches (all patriarchates) to actively repel and exclude Islam and other threats from Europe and Russia and North America alike.Replies: @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic
This all sounds about right. Since the mid-80s, the EU has essentially been about smug paternalism. The senior bureaucrats, including Juncker are free to virtue signal about inclusion over exclusion, while insulating themselves from the consequences of this.
It should have been obvious what lay in store after the 1989 adoption of the European Convention on Human Rights (esp Articles 14 & 16), particularly in 1998 when the European Court of Human Rights became a permanent fixture able to heap additional burdens onto member states by decree (adding heft to the Articles in the Convention). The EU & Brussels are basically a wet dream for left wing lawyers & one world utopians. The EU bureaucracy should be seen less as an operable tumor within western civilization, to a potential Alien Chest Burster/Xenomorph. If it isn’t removed within a couple yrs, it will be game over.
I know that the Catholic Church in Poland and Hungary is so pro-immigration as to be outside the political mainstream in those countries.
The Eastern Orthodox church has always been more controlled by the secular leaders of the countries it operates in, so probably quite a bit less pro-invasion. Although I’m not sure that unanimously includes e.g. the Greek or Romanian churches.
And for its own part Russia has had a ton of low-quality Muslim immigration from Central Asia and Azerbaijan, which AFAIK the Russian church hasn’t complained about.
Migrants to Russia from former Soviet colonies may be culturally and genetically distinct from Russians but the differences are not even in the same league as what's going on in western Europe.Replies: @snorlax
Othermania or Otherphilia is the order of the day.
PC says the West was once so wicked as to conceptualize of the Other.
Now, the Other must be welcomed and Oneself must be denied. Mother Merkel is now Other Merkel.
This Otherism is weird. It is a contradictory centrism. Oneself being one-centric makes sense. But how can one be other-centric? It’s like Earth trying to rotate on the axis of Mars.
Othermania isn’t really about admiration for the Other for what it really is. It is, rather, an idealization of the Other as the repository of all that is woefully lacking in the One(self).
So, the Western Otherism about blacks isn’t about real blacks as they really are. They are blacks are idealized by whites. It’s about Magic Negro who are elevated in morality in ways whites aren’t.
Same with Indians in DANCES WITH WOLVES. It is the fantasy of the Other as better than the Self. Not Indians are they really were but Indians as New Age fantasy.
Same with LAST SAMURAI where samurai community is idealized to death into like a spartan shangri-la.
To be sure, criticism of the imperialist conception of the Other touched upon not only negative stereotypes but positive projections. Edward Said in ORIENTALISM argued that whites could dehumanize the Other as beastly/barbaric but also romanticize them as utopian/pure. Either way, whites were imposing their vision on the Other.
Indeed, imperialists sometimes justified their rule over the fallen natives(the negative other) as a means to restore their lost glory(the positive other). Archaeology had a political aspect. The assumption was that the non-whites had once been Great but lost it, and it is up to the West to rediscover their real history and help them to regain their greatness(under white rule, of course).
But despite all that, the positive fantasy of the Other defined much of PC.
It is about whites projecting all their ideals and fantasies onto the Other who are seen as beholders of values and hopes that whites should possess but don’t. So, whites needs the Other to regain their own lost souls.
And yet, there is also a neo-imperialist element to the Otherism because the EU love to pontificate about its superior ‘western liberal values’, which implies that they are the best in the world and must be shared with the benighted darkies from Muslim world and Africa.
So, whites are both soulless zombies who must learn wisdom from the new arrivals AND all-knowing ‘progressives’ whose more evolved ‘values'(like homomania) must be shared with barbaric folks.
I get awful confused.
EU is now Ewwwwww.
You should always be suspicious when someone presents you with a ‘black/white dichotomy’.
It usually means they are trying to define any opposition to their plans as unreasonable, or worse.
Best thing to do is challenge them on it – as Steve is doing here.
Steve Sailer:
“The basic value for which the European Union stands used to be Europhilia, but at some point it transmuted into Europhobia”
It depends on what you consider to be “Europe”. If you consider Europe to be “the white race”, or “Christianity”, then yes. However, to me, “Europe” means the values of the Enlightnment. That is: tolerance, secularism, individualism, , etc.
Going by this definition of what Europe is, Juncker *is* being an Europhile. He is fighting against the fanaticism of the Jihadists and intolerant foreigners by showing them that that Europe is the opposite of what they are.
You, conversely, want Europe to become as intolerant as they are to combat them. That is not being an “Europhile”. That is basically being a typical middle eastern, someone who still hasn’t evolved past the Neolithic Era.
No thanks. I'll take the stone age.
It's what the Liberal Left tend to focus on. But very few people in the mass agree with this idea, and it doesn't stand up well to history and to anyone who knows anything about history (in any subject area; science, politics, art).
And how is this fighting against the Jihadists? This policy makes about as much sense as fighting against crime by leaving the windows and doors of your house open and unlocked.
So evolving past the Neolithic era involves allowing Europe to be overrun by Muslim barbarians who want to destroy European civilization?
Stand up and fight or curl up and die; sometimes reality devolves to an unattractive dichotomy.
Especially so when there is no place left for the citizens to run. South America, Central America, North America are not going to take in a lot of white Frenchmen or Italians or Swedes who would not stand for their own.
You see, this is what I was talking about on your post about adopting a "European-American" identity instead of a white one. There are lots of fools like Nick Diaz out there who just think Europe=progress du jour.It's not fighting. To make an analogy you might relate to, Luke Skywalker throws away his lightsaber in "Return of the Jedi" rather than continuing to fight Darth Vader as the Emperor desires. The result is that the Emperor zaps him with lightning to the point of death. In this modern fairy tale, there is a happy ending only because Darth Vader has a last-minute change of heart. Who among the Salafascists and degenerate welfare sponges invading Europe is going to be the Darth Vader to Juncker's Luke Skywalker? What evidence do you point to demonstrating that Europe's openness has a secularizing and liberalizing psychological impact on immigrant majorities? Have you read Nassim Taleb's simple paper demonstrating why and how small intolerant minorities can sway majorities?
The world doesn't exist as a story, and there is no ideal state of being to judge it against. Europe is not better for being open, only more open for being open. If it is open to the point of abolishing itself, it is abolished. There are no bonus points for signaling that you're on the right side of history.
The French chose between tolerance and secularism in enforcing bans on religious symbols in schools. This is because the kind of place they want to live in has to be managed. It doesn't simply arise from principle. The same is true for border control.Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Frau Katze
Several people have discussed solving this by forcefully integrating SWPL neighborhoods, but I think there's only one way this really ends: busing white trash into their schools and neighborhoods. Hit 'em where it hurts.
Dissolve the people, and elect another.
To most church leaders, the West is a dead civilization, and arguably deserves it (going back to the French Revolution). For them, we are not worth saving.
Their secular salvation comes from their deity, his name is Kalergi.
Shut up stupid troll. Such tired old cliches. Europe is not an idea, Europe is European people. Bring millions of Muslims and it becomes (it is becoming) something else. Instead of French bakeries you get kebab shops. Instead of churches you get mosques. Instead of Enlightenment you get Islamic fanaticism. They are not interested in European culture. And neither are you.
To you, Europe means suicide of the greatest civilization in history.
No thanks. I’ll take the stone age.
I’m not going to speak for iSteve but I imagine he (like the residents of the European nations constituting the EU) believe that Europe is a place, a family of peoples constituting distinct nations together with values, cultures and traditions of those peoples. Enlightenment ideals are neat in that they can be exported to whatever place you feel the need to send them – they’re not solely indigenous to Europe. There’s no need to bring foreign peoples to Europe to inculcate Enlightenment ideals.
That’s not fighting, and it’s not working.
It’s not intolerant to exclude people who are not compatible with your ideals and traditions and who pine to kill you. If you want to be a martyr, go teach your ideals in the Middle East or North Africa. But you have no right to insist upon martyring innocents for the sake your insanity and preening.
There's no place in this worldview for Steve's idea of Citizenism, where the people of a nation charge their government with acting to insure domestic tranquility, provide for common defense, promote general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty -- not if those goods are designed to be enjoyed by the nation's citizens and their posterity.
It's a bit awkward at times, when actual goals diverge so greatly from stated goals.
Fortunately, Lenin already solved this problem with his notion of the Vanguard of the Proletariat. No matter that today's elites have dispensed with the outmoded "proletariat" piece -- while it's satisfying to be on the right side of history, it's even more rewarding to be leading from the front.
Merkel is as crazy as the nutjob in FITZCARRALDO.
The nut tries to drag a ship up a hill to build an opera house in the middle of the jungle.
Merkel tries to drag the Middle East and Africa to bring them to glory of German Civilization(which won’t survive after such lunacy).
But Merkel is worse than the nut played by Klaus Kinski. It’s nobler to take civilization to savagery than to invite barbarism/savagery to civilization.
When the German colony failed and faded in Brazil, it was sad, but German civilization remained in Germany. But after what the Merkels of the world ram through, there won’t be European civilization left. Maybe Merkel wants to be the ruler of monkeys. ‘Grizzly man’ was nuts but only hurt himself(and his girl). Merkel is turning all of Germany into Grand Maul.
Why can’t Germans do anything in moderation?
If the words ‘European Union’ mean anything, surely, the only real, significant and profound meaning is the defence of genetically ethnic European people – anything else is pure bullshit-. What has made continental Europe, which in reality is merely the western extremity of the Eurasian landmass, is the long, long, story of the incalculaby ancient ethnogenesis of the distinct European people, a people readily distinguishable by certain external characteristics – and by genotype.
Putting aside all the historic contributions of Europeans, might I just add that in comparison to the distinct European ethnogenesis, the actual physical real estate of ‘Europe’, the ancient buildings etc, count for naught.
Only that the EU – along with the Catholic church for that matter – is actively hastening the Muslim takeover of Europe.
What Kalergi dreamed of was called "Atlantropa", a new Atlantis and a New Roman Empire (you can also find this in Soumission by Houellebecq ). The Mediterranean would be reunited, full of indifferent serfs to loot.
The idea that you can use technology and not adopt the values of the creators, never occurs to these people. History is always progressing in a linear path.
They have Kalergi, I counter with Khomeini...
“However, to me, “Europe” means the values of the Enlightnment. That is: tolerance, secularism, individualism, , etc.”
What an idiot like you thinks is, of course, of no interest to anyone.
Going by this definition of what Europe is, Juncker *is* being an Europhile.”
Who granted politicians the right to expound upon “who we are”, as the useless figure-head and stooge Barack Obama is fond of saying? Leave it to a stupid blockhead like Nick Diaz to repeat such idiotic drivel.
Europe is the home of Europeans. If it isn’t that, it isn’t anything.
One thing for certain, the EU doesn’t believe in the notion of ‘comparative advantage’, hence its persecution of American tech firms.
Also, consider the tremendous waste of money and unnecessary duplication of GPS systems, with EU founding a rival ‘Galileo’ system – merely because the Americans beat them to the march.
In attempting to ‘understand’ the EU, the one constant seems to be of elitists grabbing more and more power for themselves. And there seems to be no limit to the power they wish to grab – in other words it’s ‘politicians unrestrained’ and doing what politicians love to do – take and wield power.
Basically politicians are obsessed with power. The more power the better. Really it's nothing more than 'who's got a bigger dick contest' but couched in the language of governance.
What the eurocrats have witnessed, and have continued to witness, is the constant full spectrum dominance of the USA in terms of military might, economic and financial strength, scientific advance and diplomatic heft. Being politicians the eurocrats deeply wish that they, st the very least, could sit on the master's table as equal to the Americans. In their own minds, the only way to do this is by creating a federalist, integrated, superstate, hence the continuous push from Brussels toward ever greater union.
As for all that pro-immigration pro 'human rights' pro 'equality' dogshit that the EU commission also pushes, well I'm afraid that's merely the unfortunate 'trendy' soundtrack of our times. You've got to prove to The Economist, Hillary etc that you are 'good' people doing the 'right thing'.Replies: @ben tillman
PC says the West was once so wicked as to conceptualize of the Other.
Now, the Other must be welcomed and Oneself must be denied. Mother Merkel is now Other Merkel.
This Otherism is weird. It is a contradictory centrism. Oneself being one-centric makes sense. But how can one be other-centric? It's like Earth trying to rotate on the axis of Mars.
Othermania isn't really about admiration for the Other for what it really is. It is, rather, an idealization of the Other as the repository of all that is woefully lacking in the One(self).
So, the Western Otherism about blacks isn't about real blacks as they really are. They are blacks are idealized by whites. It's about Magic Negro who are elevated in morality in ways whites aren't.
Same with Indians in DANCES WITH WOLVES. It is the fantasy of the Other as better than the Self. Not Indians are they really were but Indians as New Age fantasy.
Same with LAST SAMURAI where samurai community is idealized to death into like a spartan shangri-la.
To be sure, criticism of the imperialist conception of the Other touched upon not only negative stereotypes but positive projections. Edward Said in ORIENTALISM argued that whites could dehumanize the Other as beastly/barbaric but also romanticize them as utopian/pure. Either way, whites were imposing their vision on the Other.
Indeed, imperialists sometimes justified their rule over the fallen natives(the negative other) as a means to restore their lost glory(the positive other). Archaeology had a political aspect. The assumption was that the non-whites had once been Great but lost it, and it is up to the West to rediscover their real history and help them to regain their greatness(under white rule, of course).
But despite all that, the positive fantasy of the Other defined much of PC.
It is about whites projecting all their ideals and fantasies onto the Other who are seen as beholders of values and hopes that whites should possess but don't. So, whites needs the Other to regain their own lost souls.
And yet, there is also a neo-imperialist element to the Otherism because the EU love to pontificate about its superior 'western liberal values', which implies that they are the best in the world and must be shared with the benighted darkies from Muslim world and Africa.
So, whites are both soulless zombies who must learn wisdom from the new arrivals AND all-knowing 'progressives' whose more evolved 'values'(like homomania) must be shared with barbaric folks.
I get awful confused.
EU is now Ewwwwww.Replies: @Desiderius
No, they love themselves, what’s lacking is their countrymen and their capacity to share that love.
Forsaking God, they’ve made themselves into Gods, and have set about (re-)creating the Other in their image.
I doubt most EU elites are crypto-Muslims just waiting for the right time to come into the open. They arguably think that exposure to liberal values and consumer culture will dull the fanaticism, and lead to a religious indifferentism.
What Kalergi dreamed of was called “Atlantropa”, a new Atlantis and a New Roman Empire (you can also find this in Soumission by Houellebecq ). The Mediterranean would be reunited, full of indifferent serfs to loot.
The idea that you can use technology and not adopt the values of the creators, never occurs to these people. History is always progressing in a linear path.
They have Kalergi, I counter with Khomeini…
And to add, if this were the case, there’s also a positive feedback effect– each generation progressively gets more radical than the previous because of this same filtering mechanism.
Isn’t Juncker just a cuck? Wouldn’t that answer most of your questions. It’s a great term when used correctly Steve. You’re too much of a gentleman though.
“Say it!! say it!!” – the only funny Kinason bit
Juncker:
Of course you could parse and interpret this as having some kind of meaning, but it seems he’s just using the old stringing-goodwords-together type of argumentation. And people take him seriously when he talks like that?
Tell that to the girls of Cologne.
And everywhere else, I guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union
The Coudenhove-Kalergi Foundation awarded its European Prize t0 Angela Merkel in 2010.
https://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/ContentArchiv/EN/Archiv17/Artikel/_2011/01/2011-01-13-merkel-europapreis_en.htmlReplies: @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Kyle McKenna
Secretly yes, one element driving the EU always viewed it as a way of destroying Europeans as people but a lot of the original architects were pro-European but anti-nationalist as a reaction to the world wars.
What’s happened since is the mainstream EUophiles have become more and more like the Kalergi cult and overtly Europhobic.
There’s probably multiple reasons but i think one is the media manipulating the political class for 50 years by presenting them with a false picture of reality that the political class don’t know is false.
He also seems to be a bit of a tippler:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/710772/Juncker-denies-drink-problem-during-interview-where-he-guzzles-four-glasses-of-champagne
Juncker seems to be very similar to Yeltsin. The more his project falls apart, the more he drinks. He drinks to avoid the reality of what he has created.
Trump is of course a teetotaller. I wonder if he will impose some of that philosophy on, for instance, the white women and Native Americans who are drowning in drink?
When did Europe become Europhobic? One response would be that, as in all things (blue jeans, etc.) it follows the example, with a time lag, of the US. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that with more than twice the population of the US, the inflow of immigrants/refugees is proportionally smaller in the EU than the US (as a whole at least, though not perhaps for individual countries like Germany and Sweden).
It is interesting to note the impact of Muslim immigration on Germans. Having lived there for four years in the 1970s and visiting often, it was without question one of the safest places on earth. I’ve found myself in the Red Light districts of many German cities at night before immigration (no aspersions please :-), noting in surprise the number of women walking alone (including little old ladies with canes) and young mothers pushing baby carriages … something you would not dare to do in the United States.
From the news, many German girls and women today find it too dangerous to venture out of their homes to visit the town square during the day or leave their homes at night without male escorts. What a contrast as German cities areas start to reflect the seedier aspects of decaying urban ghettos in the United States and the generally degenerate conditions in underdeveloped countries.
It is difficult to comprehend the argument that the solution to the social decay in Germany caused by Third World immigration is more Third World immigration. “Quick, my house is on fire … quick, more fuel for the fire!”
How did the US go from being a country founded by slave owners, to a country willing to send 600,000 to their deaths to end slavery? How did the UK Liberal party go from wanting to abolish the income tax in 1882 to introducing the welfare state in 1906? How did the Israeli Labour party go from “There’s no such thing as the Palestinians” in 1969 to Oslo in 1993? The list goes on and on. The basic point seems to be that liberalism should not be understood as a set of beliefs, but as a process, the telos of which is always receding into the future. The best work on unwrapping this remains Moldbug, but, of course, he never systemized his observations. Part of the problem is that much of basic mental equipment we use to understand politics itself comes out of the liberal tradition and is thus delusory. More recently, the blogger doing the most to carve out something like an explanation is the recently defunct Reactionary Future, but I’m not sure if he’s insane or not. It’s hard to tell when you lose your bearings.
In the specific case of the EU, though, it’s worth noting that it was constructed by liars – Leftist radicals working with the State Dept – who at every stage dissembled about their true intentions. It’s basic purpose has always been to destroy pre-WW2 conservative Europe. This is a book everyone should read. https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/Great-Deception-European-Union-Survive-Christopher-Booker/0826480144
This is the viewpoint of “The only thing that matters about us, the only thing that makes our culture valuable, the only thing worth preserving, is our tolerance. Tolerance is Europe and Europe is tolerance.”.
It’s what the Liberal Left tend to focus on. But very few people in the mass agree with this idea, and it doesn’t stand up well to history and to anyone who knows anything about history (in any subject area; science, politics, art).
The policy of the EU and the UN is to destroy national identity:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395
“the main role of the EU is the integration of Germany into Europe, or in other words, the prevention of a German nationalism”
They’ve concluded there’s no better way to prevent German nationalism than by destroying the German nation.
This situation is actually more telling here than Sailer notes. For a long time the EU-philes have pushed for greater integration and for a common military. Wars and external attacks/crises have been the perfect justification for centralization for thousands of years. Yet, in this perfect opportunity with a unprecedented migration and terrorism crisis that is “seemingly”* unsolvable by individual nation states, how have the handled this? Instead of exploiting this to take more power from the nation states and having a front for creating common military policies and border protection they are showing their true colours by favouring the migrations. This is despite the fact that the migrations goes against the stated EU rules and is completely delegmitising the whole project. It is the fact that no entrepreneurial European politician is willing to exploit this opportunity in the name of Europeanism that is galling.
As to the question of why nobody noticed this change. It is because the same people who pushed for greater European integration were always more globalist than Europeanist. For that class of people multiculturalism,globalism naturally followed with their supposed Europeanism. There was never really a contingent of the elite in the last 20 years who were purely continentalist. However, this loophole might/could surprisingly be taken up by the Eurosceptics rather than pragmatic EU-philes. The far right in Hungary has changed its tune in favour of a populist EU. They are to the right of Victor Orban!
http://www.politico.eu/article/hungarys-far-right-jobbik-leader-gabor-vonasays-leaving-eu-no-longer-on-the-agenda/
This new position has strategic and electoral advantages to pure euro-scepticism. Many Europeans enjoy the free travel and goods that the EU facilitates. But they also tend to find the constant corruption, meddling in member states to be annoying. So the new continentalist don’t even have to promise a smaller EU government(not that it would hurt) but could simply promise not to accelerate the integration except for providing borders and better security(Europol) which are popular anyway. It would have the advantage of still being a form of European cosmopolitism as opposed to a petty and old nationalism
*All good EU-philes argue that all crises are unsolvable with “more Europe”.
The lefty economist JW Mason has written some good stuff about why Eurocrats hate Europeans; for example, “Pain is the Agenda”:
http://jwmason.org/slackwire/pain-is-agenda-method-in-ecbs-madness/
It could also be called “The Television Effect.”
The extremely popular English TV series, about London’s Flying Squad (“The Sweeney”), sometimes showed the police running through the Brixton area of London. The criminals who they “nicked” (arrested) there were, with very few exceptions, White Cockneys. “The Sweeney” was filmed in the mid-seventies. By that time, after 30 years of steady immigration from the West Indies, Brixton was at least 80% Black.
Television has a hypnotizing effect on its victims. Addicts watch so much of it that they are far more likely to believe what they see on it rather than taking in what goes on about them, when television is turned off, for reality.
If a Third-World immigrant hasn’t raped or murdered your mother or your sister recently – – – well then, Third-World immigration just isn’t a pressing problem. People overdosing on TV will credit fantasy over reality every day of the week!
My own hunch is that the overriding animus of the EU is United States envy.
Basically politicians are obsessed with power. The more power the better. Really it’s nothing more than ‘who’s got a bigger dick contest’ but couched in the language of governance.
What the eurocrats have witnessed, and have continued to witness, is the constant full spectrum dominance of the USA in terms of military might, economic and financial strength, scientific advance and diplomatic heft. Being politicians the eurocrats deeply wish that they, st the very least, could sit on the master’s table as equal to the Americans. In their own minds, the only way to do this is by creating a federalist, integrated, superstate, hence the continuous push from Brussels toward ever greater union.
As for all that pro-immigration pro ‘human rights’ pro ‘equality’ dogshit that the EU commission also pushes, well I’m afraid that’s merely the unfortunate ‘trendy’ soundtrack of our times. You’ve got to prove to The Economist, Hillary etc that you are ‘good’ people doing the ‘right thing’.
Another point to remember about the EU is that it’s profoundly undemocratic.
All power vests in the European Commission. The EU parliament is merely a rubber stamp operation.It is the commission which initiates and proposes policy.
Commissioners are unelected, unaccountable and free from scrutiny.
And, I might add almost exclusively they are selected from second-rate run of the mill washed up politicians. They are not Europe’s best and brightest.
“The basic value for which the European Union stands used to be Europhilia”
I don’t think that’s true. Third-world immigration to Europe began after decolonization, which began after WWII. It precedes the creation of the EU. The volume has increased over the decades, but gradually. The powers that be in Europe, including the EU, have been on board with this demographic transformation since it started.
The “immigration illusion” is the idea that the immigrants will forever remain 15% or less of the population, no matter how many arrive. The Europeans are still at that stage.
I really like this graphic. It explains it well.
Meanwhile, the Muslims within Russia have a high birth rate. Then there's "guest workers" from the Asian Muslim countries.
If Putin is serious about protecting Christianity, he's doesn't act like it.
I wonder if people like George Soros are using their vast wealth to promote Europhobia in Europe?
He is fighting against the fanaticism of the Jihadists and intolerant foreigners by showing them that that Europe is the opposite of what they are.
And how is this fighting against the Jihadists? This policy makes about as much sense as fighting against crime by leaving the windows and doors of your house open and unlocked.
“In Europe, even more so than in national politics, we have to follow the principle laid down by Martin Luther: Use language that the people will understand, but don’t just tell them what they want to hear.”
Jean-Claude Juncker
You, conversely, want Europe to become as intolerant as they are to combat them. That is not being an “Europhile”. That is basically being a typical middle eastern, someone who still hasn’t evolved past the Neolithic Era.
So evolving past the Neolithic era involves allowing Europe to be overrun by Muslim barbarians who want to destroy European civilization?
“Terror only takes us if we allow it” says the president of the European Commission and “must continue to offer refuge to people who flee from war zones and from terror.”
Terror is not a thing, it is an emotion. It is the emotional reaction to perceived threats that overwhelm the ordinary defenses of the perceiver. The Greeks understood this well when they coupled terror with discord. Terror is experienced as the complete loss of control over events, the utter inability to influence outcomes.
By turning an emotion into a noun, speakers such as this president of the European Commission, delegitimize the real emotions experienced by the victims of Muslim bombers, mass murderers and spreaders of mayhem in Europe. Their real experience of the emotion of terror is lost or canceled in the process of referring to terror as though it were a Thing.
By definition, terror means to be flooded by an overwhelming emotion. It is beyond “allow”ing. Why does the president allow Islamic refugees to experience terror which causes them to flee but chides Europeans to suppress their terror? He doesn’t acknowledge their legitimate feelings of terror when bombed, raped and violated in the sanctity of their own communities.
This man is a Sophist and an enemy of civilization.
All ideologies are based in self-hatred. The adherents seek to obliterate their despised identity and replace it with that of the group. It’s why utopian movements usually end in a blood bath. In the case of the EU, what started as a French idea for creating a counter to the US dollar morphed into a pan-European death cult. The basis of which is hatred of national identity.
The process went from hating their subordinate position to the Americans to hatred of national identity. In its final phase, it is just hatred of the very idea of Europe.
The reason this has been so seamless is another feature of ideologies. The members self-loathing results in their instinctual habit of shifting the focus from themselves onto others. This scales up to a defense strategy where all the energy of the members is on the current bogeyman. They are so good at it, we tend not to notice what the members are doing until it is too late.
As a result, normal Europeans are waking up to a world where their leaders are gnawing at the final strands of the support cables. The roof is falling in on Europe. It will not end well.
the welfare states and massive immigration, how much longer can they continue? Importing slaves has some math behind it but importing impoverished vacationers means the whole thing breaks down. And if money is power then the EUcrats will soon rule a dumpster empire.
“…is the opposite of what they are.” The dead are always the opposite of the living. So far the terrorists are living and many Europeans are dead. A nation that does not fight when invaded will become an ex-nation; a people that do not kill their invaders will become corpses and slaves; an ex-people.
Stand up and fight or curl up and die; sometimes reality devolves to an unattractive dichotomy.
Especially so when there is no place left for the citizens to run. South America, Central America, North America are not going to take in a lot of white Frenchmen or Italians or Swedes who would not stand for their own.
Nick Diaz is on the same side as Angela Merkel, the Pope, Hillary Clinton, Eurocrats, Wall Street, and many others. Stated nicely, they’re propounding universalism and appealing to our shared humanity. More bluntly, their shared belief is that people are all the same, thus interchangable. There are differences in detail. The Church’s mission is to offer salvation to all members of the flock (including adherents of other religions, the unborn, atheists, etc.). Clinton’s priority was installing a critical mass of loyal voter-clients. Wall Street’s attractor is expanding markets and profits.
There’s no place in this worldview for Steve’s idea of Citizenism, where the people of a nation charge their government with acting to insure domestic tranquility, provide for common defense, promote general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty — not if those goods are designed to be enjoyed by the nation’s citizens and their posterity.
It’s a bit awkward at times, when actual goals diverge so greatly from stated goals.
Fortunately, Lenin already solved this problem with his notion of the Vanguard of the Proletariat. No matter that today’s elites have dispensed with the outmoded “proletariat” piece — while it’s satisfying to be on the right side of history, it’s even more rewarding to be leading from the front.
The European Union must be exterminated with extreme prejudice.
The Germans must go back to the Deutschmark. The only EU I want to see is on the soon to be revived German currency. The Germans must develope a nuclear weapon and the the ability to deliver it. The Germans, I assume, just need to turn the screw to do so.
The baby boomer bastards are just as bad in Europe as they are in the United States. You can call those rats in Europe 68ers or anything else you like.
Merkel is an East German communist rat intent on attacking her own people. Merkel and those calling for continued open borders are evil scum who are using mass immigration as a demographic weapon to destroy European Christian nation-states.
Merkel Must Go — Merkel Muss Weg.
The kids who go on about White Genocide have a damn good point, and I hope they keep banging on about it.
Financialization was the drug used to weaken the natural defense mechanism of European Christian nation-states. The bought off scum born before 1965 just stood there and did nothing while non-Europeans poured into their countries. Those born before 1965 have been bought off with massive amounts of unpayable debt.
It is imperative that young White people not only refuse to pay this Odious Debt, but that they also begin removing large numbers of non-Europeans from their countries.
Why do you think the evil shyster slobs at the central banks have kept interest rates so low for so long? They have done so because the interest costs on government debt would have crowded out most other spending.
When the hell is Steve Sailer going to notice the connection between Nixon going off the gold standard in 1971 and the passage of the 1965 Immigration Act?
Financialization and mass immigration-induced multiculturalism are direct attacks on European Christian nation-states. It is time to bang it out bravely against the evil rats who are using debt and mass immigration as weapons to destroy us.
Go to hell you greedy baby boomer bastards.
Happy New Year!
That’s kind of apples and oranges.
Migrants to Russia from former Soviet colonies may be culturally and genetically distinct from Russians but the differences are not even in the same league as what’s going on in western Europe.
Aristotle was perhaps the most brilliant man ever. His Politics pretty much nailed it — 2,500 years ago.
Steve,
You see, this is what I was talking about on your post about adopting a “European-American” identity instead of a white one. There are lots of fools like Nick Diaz out there who just think Europe=progress du jour.
It’s not fighting. To make an analogy you might relate to, Luke Skywalker throws away his lightsaber in “Return of the Jedi” rather than continuing to fight Darth Vader as the Emperor desires. The result is that the Emperor zaps him with lightning to the point of death. In this modern fairy tale, there is a happy ending only because Darth Vader has a last-minute change of heart. Who among the Salafascists and degenerate welfare sponges invading Europe is going to be the Darth Vader to Juncker’s Luke Skywalker? What evidence do you point to demonstrating that Europe’s openness has a secularizing and liberalizing psychological impact on immigrant majorities? Have you read Nassim Taleb’s simple paper demonstrating why and how small intolerant minorities can sway majorities?
The world doesn’t exist as a story, and there is no ideal state of being to judge it against. Europe is not better for being open, only more open for being open. If it is open to the point of abolishing itself, it is abolished. There are no bonus points for signaling that you’re on the right side of history.
The French chose between tolerance and secularism in enforcing bans on religious symbols in schools. This is because the kind of place they want to live in has to be managed. It doesn’t simply arise from principle. The same is true for border control.
So if I create a pandemic and kill all Europeans, but preserve the books from the Enlightenment for my new invaders, I must be the greatest lover of Europeans ever.
Don’t overlook the appeal of simple sensualism. I’m sure part of the issue is that wherever and however you draw the line, when you look at the other side from the perspective of the elites, you see monogamists and heterosexuals, formalism and decoration, credulance, and all manner of things that you want to move away from because they threaten your comfort in your all-holds-barred lifestyle. When you’re moving left, no matter how far you get, stopping moving leaves open the psychological possibility of what’s behind you.
Hmm it’s very different from Christianity of Queen Isabella of Spain or the Knights of St. John.
i agree with everyone here, I believe the EU and global elite are still fighting the last war- which they see as internationalism vs nationalism (which conflates with facisim) .
once you understand that you can see why they don’t see muslims as the enemy any more than FDRs cabinet so murderous communists as an enemy but did see america first as one.
Well, Putin should know since he uncovered Pizzagate!
You see, this is what I was talking about on your post about adopting a "European-American" identity instead of a white one. There are lots of fools like Nick Diaz out there who just think Europe=progress du jour.It's not fighting. To make an analogy you might relate to, Luke Skywalker throws away his lightsaber in "Return of the Jedi" rather than continuing to fight Darth Vader as the Emperor desires. The result is that the Emperor zaps him with lightning to the point of death. In this modern fairy tale, there is a happy ending only because Darth Vader has a last-minute change of heart. Who among the Salafascists and degenerate welfare sponges invading Europe is going to be the Darth Vader to Juncker's Luke Skywalker? What evidence do you point to demonstrating that Europe's openness has a secularizing and liberalizing psychological impact on immigrant majorities? Have you read Nassim Taleb's simple paper demonstrating why and how small intolerant minorities can sway majorities?
The world doesn't exist as a story, and there is no ideal state of being to judge it against. Europe is not better for being open, only more open for being open. If it is open to the point of abolishing itself, it is abolished. There are no bonus points for signaling that you're on the right side of history.
The French chose between tolerance and secularism in enforcing bans on religious symbols in schools. This is because the kind of place they want to live in has to be managed. It doesn't simply arise from principle. The same is true for border control.Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Frau Katze
Dude, Nick is another Tiny D*ck, only less humorous.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/tom-cotton-fix-immigration-its-what-voters-want.html
Tom Cotton has a very solid op-ed on immigration in the NYT.
You say that Europe is an idea. Therefore there is no need to go to Europe the continent to experience it. The immigrants should be removed to their home countries where they can build “European” societies if they are so inclined.
“Anyone who pounces on the rhetoric of exclusion is helping the extremists’ way of thinking, which strengthens their spiral of hate.”
I have trouble believing any grown adult male could say this phrase without busting out laughing or spontaneously growing a vagina.
Cucks of my acquaintance have vehemently denounced Brexit because: Schengen area. Apparently I’m supposed to think the EU is protecting our borders based on nothing more than a piece of paper.
But what happens when Italy or Greece (or maybe even Germany) realise one way to get rid of their migrants is to grant them citizenship and they can disperse them around the EU, Schengen or not?
And of course demographics is destiny and all that. Despite all cucks and sellout bluster these millions of migrants will be allowed to stay and they or their descendants will be EU citizens and thus the Schengen area stuff is irrelevant.
“one they don’t (mass third world migration into the EU).”
Home Office targets nail bars over illegal immigration
Dozens of arrests as people ‘at risk of modern slavery’ and potential victims of trafficking among almost 100 workers held
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/28/home-office-targets-nail-bars-over-illegal-immigration
Illegal immigration means women get cheap high quality nail servicing, while men get cheap high quality prostitutes. Women and men pretty much covers everyone.
Of course here in the US of A the Asian women working nail salons are … well … also prostitutes.
At the end of the day this invasion of Europe is merely Sailers “Magic Dirt” theory writ large.
The idea that the US and Europe can be turned into comfortable retirement homes staffed and paid for by pleasant and obeisant, productive and well-assimilated pig ignorant violent fleeing peasants is astonishing, yet that’s what we are asked to believe.
Migrants to Russia from former Soviet colonies may be culturally and genetically distinct from Russians but the differences are not even in the same league as what's going on in western Europe.Replies: @snorlax
Russians don’t live in anywhere near the affluence and safety Germans do, so third-world Muslims aren’t able to bring down living standards as much. But they create the exact same permanent barrier to bringing up living standards in the future that they do in W. Europe.
Sen Tom Cotton has a great NYT op-ed calling for a large reduction in legal immigration and describing how it hurts low-wage Americans.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/tom-cotton-fix-immigration-its-what-voters-want.html
The only point I didn’t like is the “more like Canada and Australia” point. Sure they do a better job at focusing on high-skill workers, it would be hard do to worse than our current “Somalis and Salvadorians get highest priority” system, but in practice a “points systems” can be gamed by people getting dubious foreign degrees or going to a for-profit college in the USA while here on a student visa. Moreover, they have higher total immigration rates than the USA.
The proof of a high-skill worker is in the pudding: you have an employer-sponsor in the USA who will pay you 100k+, plus a large annual visa fee.
It is really nice to see such article from a mainstream Koch-affiliated GOP senator.
That a relatively young and ambitious politician like Tom Cotton is turning against immigration is a good sign.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395Replies: @Ivy, @anon
Another name for that EU policy is Schengenfreude. The Schengen Zone allowing easy movement around Europe just leads to unintended consequences for citizens, and intended consequences for the Juncker class. Schadenfreude by another name.
For a country that seems to be blowing up a lot of Muslims, Russia seems to suffer a lot fewer attacks than Germany or France.
The extremely popular English TV series, about London's Flying Squad ("The Sweeney"), sometimes showed the police running through the Brixton area of London. The criminals who they "nicked" (arrested) there were, with very few exceptions, White Cockneys. "The Sweeney" was filmed in the mid-seventies. By that time, after 30 years of steady immigration from the West Indies, Brixton was at least 80% Black.
Television has a hypnotizing effect on its victims. Addicts watch so much of it that they are far more likely to believe what they see on it rather than taking in what goes on about them, when television is turned off, for reality.
If a Third-World immigrant hasn't raped or murdered your mother or your sister recently - - - well then, Third-World immigration just isn't a pressing problem. People overdosing on TV will credit fantasy over reality every day of the week!Replies: @Lurker
A good rule of thumb is to assume that everything you see on contemporary TV is the opposite of reality.
yes – as someone mentioned above, they send their kids to specific schools, all their friends are from the same background etc so their bubble constantly reinforces it self
Brilliant. So, Jewry wasn’t half-killed in the holocaust, because you can’t kill ideas. Tikkun Olam and globalism lived on, so, in actual fact, Jewry was not harmed at all by the holocaust.
Now go run and tell your Jewish friends the good news.
Lot, that is a good piece. Very, very, good, when you consider the source – an American senator.
I particularly liked how he brought up the fact that supply and demand applies to the labor market, too. That’s like breaking out a cross in front of a vampire.
And the paragraph you quoted is especially good.
True, we don’t want tons of “qualified” foreigners, either. But, I can see some definite exceptions, at least in theory. For example, I would loooove to see everyone working in front of a camera in Big Media replaced with non-white foreigners. Loooooove it. It would be Heavenly to wake up tomorrow and find out that all of those whites in Big Media had been replaced with African Blacks and dark-skinned Hindus. It would make my year.
It would be so much nicer, if the the mouthpieces for the destruction of the West were extremely melanin-rich.
It would be nice if the entire scribbling class working for Big Media was remade in the same way. Not nearly as rewarding a change, but, they are often called in front of the camera by the networks, and it would be great if they could be extremely melanin-rich when they are.
Even HGTV?? Now I’m depressed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union
The Coudenhove-Kalergi Foundation awarded its European Prize t0 Angela Merkel in 2010.
https://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/ContentArchiv/EN/Archiv17/Artikel/_2011/01/2011-01-13-merkel-europapreis_en.htmlReplies: @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Kyle McKenna
“He felt like somebody had taken the lid off life and let him see the works.”
― Dashiell Hammett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fASN9oYGdw
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/710772/Juncker-denies-drink-problem-during-interview-where-he-guzzles-four-glasses-of-champagneReplies: @Alec Leamas, @G Pinfold
So, the man is not completely without charm. Perhaps he’d make a better mayor of a quaint Luxembourgish village than President of the EC.
The only point I didn't like is the "more like Canada and Australia" point. Sure they do a better job at focusing on high-skill workers, it would be hard do to worse than our current "Somalis and Salvadorians get highest priority" system, but in practice a "points systems" can be gamed by people getting dubious foreign degrees or going to a for-profit college in the USA while here on a student visa. Moreover, they have higher total immigration rates than the USA.
The proof of a high-skill worker is in the pudding: you have an employer-sponsor in the USA who will pay you 100k+, plus a large annual visa fee.
It is really nice to see such article from a mainstream Koch-affiliated GOP senator.Replies: @Jimi, @Lord Jeff Sessions
Veteran GOP politicians like Paul Ryan are hopelessly mired in open borders ideology.
That a relatively young and ambitious politician like Tom Cotton is turning against immigration is a good sign.
Adhering to Junker’s principles, we can do away with airport security, right?
Well in that case, we’ll let ourselves into your house and help ourselves to your fridge. Hope you have a guest bedroom or it’s on the couch for you! When the baby comes, then we’ll have squatter’s rights and you can get busy finding a new home, although paying off the rest of the mortgage on our new one might put a crimp in your style. Make sure not to complain, white man!
Several people have discussed solving this by forcefully integrating SWPL neighborhoods, but I think there’s only one way this really ends: busing white trash into their schools and neighborhoods. Hit ’em where it hurts.
Dumbo:
“Shut up stupid troll. Such tired old cliches. Europe is not an idea, Europe is European people. Bring millions of Muslims and it becomes (it is becoming) something else. Instead of French bakeries you get kebab shops. Instead of churches you get mosques. Instead of Enlightenment you get Islamic fanaticism. They are not interested in European culture. And neither are you.”
Your username suits you: “dumbo”. Want to see a stupid troll? Stare in a miror.
What sets Europe apart and made it a continent of great cultural, scientific and artistics achievements are it’s values, you idiot. The Chinese and Japanese outscore white on both intelligence and academic tests, and yet Europe surpassed them. Why? Because Europeans are tolerant, allow individuals a great deal of freedom and such.
Thanks for the additional information. I didn’t know that about the Polish and Hungarian churches–why on earth do they want Muslim immigrants. The Hungarians lived under a form of Muslim domination for awhile; why would any Hungarian Catholic want more Muslims?
Right and wrong. Wrong because it never was as particular as that. The EU was always a stepping stone on the way to the NWO. Of course, they’d prefer the world they’re going to rule to have one culture (or an absence of culture). And Christendom would have preferred all humans to be Christians, I suppose.
The only point I didn't like is the "more like Canada and Australia" point. Sure they do a better job at focusing on high-skill workers, it would be hard do to worse than our current "Somalis and Salvadorians get highest priority" system, but in practice a "points systems" can be gamed by people getting dubious foreign degrees or going to a for-profit college in the USA while here on a student visa. Moreover, they have higher total immigration rates than the USA.
The proof of a high-skill worker is in the pudding: you have an employer-sponsor in the USA who will pay you 100k+, plus a large annual visa fee.
It is really nice to see such article from a mainstream Koch-affiliated GOP senator.Replies: @Jimi, @Lord Jeff Sessions
Yes, I was very impressed. This is an example of clear thinking on the subject. As Mark Krikorian pointed out in NRO, he didn’t resort to the “legal good/illegal bad” crutch used by a lot of other Republicans. Canada’s immigration isn’t perfect, but it’s far more reasonable than whatever is being pushed by Davos man.
American Liberals learned this the hard way when they realized most of them didn't have the skills or education to immigrate to Canada.Replies: @ben tillman, @anon
Basically politicians are obsessed with power. The more power the better. Really it's nothing more than 'who's got a bigger dick contest' but couched in the language of governance.
What the eurocrats have witnessed, and have continued to witness, is the constant full spectrum dominance of the USA in terms of military might, economic and financial strength, scientific advance and diplomatic heft. Being politicians the eurocrats deeply wish that they, st the very least, could sit on the master's table as equal to the Americans. In their own minds, the only way to do this is by creating a federalist, integrated, superstate, hence the continuous push from Brussels toward ever greater union.
As for all that pro-immigration pro 'human rights' pro 'equality' dogshit that the EU commission also pushes, well I'm afraid that's merely the unfortunate 'trendy' soundtrack of our times. You've got to prove to The Economist, Hillary etc that you are 'good' people doing the 'right thing'.Replies: @ben tillman
Merely? It’s the whole enchilada.
Juncker once said (probably while drunk) he was in contact with space aliens:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/687350/Did-EU-chief-confirm-aliens-EXIST-Juncker-speaks-of-BREXIT-to-leaders-of-other-planets
An interesting post, with many good points.
I would suggest, however, that is is not so much that Europe became ‘europhobic,’ so much as the European elites became corrupt and began to care more for the easy profits of ever cheaper labor than the well being of their fellow citizens or civilization.
Remember: it doesn’t matter how smart or hard working you are, the only reason that a worker can get $20/hour, is if employers advertise for labor of that calibre for $10/hour and they don’t get any takers. The prosperity of Europe is of course great for the average European… but for the rich, the profits that can be made replacing $20/hour labor with $10/hour labor are immense… And the easiest way to do this is to flood the labor market with the surplus population of the third world…
I propose that europhobia is just a propaganda meme disguising plain old fashioned greed.
They’re not spending money; they’re spending oil.
Secondly there is a YUUUGGGEEE amount of Social Darwinism to Open Borders. Open Borders means defacto that only the most ruthless, determined, and advantaged White men advance, and every other White dude drowns in a sea of hostile Third Worlders (White women do just fine as mistresses and concubines etc. of the immavaders). Older White dudes have ZILCH solidarity to younger ones; indeed they are hostile, and can't figure out why younger ones have problems living in a defacto semi-Zimbabwe mixed with Yemen.
Thirdly is the fact that the elites are MONUMENTALLY STUPID. I am continually amazed at just how stupid they are in every facet. Look at for example, Star Wars. Where does Star Wars make its money? Duh, TOYS FOR BOYS. That's the whole money-making operation right there. Two consecutive Mary Sues with "diverse" and non-White casts means zero toy buying by parents of White boys. Girls don't like testosterone fueled adventures, there is no singing and dancing and romance (but very soft) in the Star Wars movies, no funny and cute side-kick for the lead girl, and no emphasis on family. Frozen continues to mint money for Disney; while these Star Wars movies will underperform quite a bit in the toy business because elites who run Disney are stupid enough to actually believe diversity = money.
Jean Claude Juncker is no different from all the elites in the EU who have been indoctrinated in various feminist/marxist/SJW idiocies of "White Dudez are evil, one geek asked Mary Sue out for coffee in an elevator!" Juncker is stupid enough to believe in Lennon's "Imagine."
That's the perils of an inbred, non-competitive elite. Active Hot Civil War in Europe is now an inevitability, with Frau Merkel's Merkel Youth being the critical factor. Six Syrians and a Libyan attempted to set a German homeless man on fire Christmas Eve. Europeans get hostile Third World Muslims waging war on them on city streets, and in exchange they get ... less welfare, less social services, less security, less employment, less freedom. And elites are stupid enough to think that's stable.
I'm shocked there has not been a spate of Flight Lt. Jerry Rawlings or Master Sgt Samuel K. Does in Europe.Replies: @Anonym, @Frau Katze
Frozen continues to mint money for Disney; while these Star Wars movies will underperform quite a bit in the toy business because elites who run Disney are stupid enough to actually believe diversity = money.
So true, and it never gets old.
If they want to make beaucoup money, they could write a rise of the Republic series, as a fascist response to non-human oppression, from the side of the Republic. I’m far from a SW nerd though, maybe it’s impossible but since the empire command is basically Nazis it seems doable.
“The best way to fight terror is with “openness”…”
This presumes the people you are fighting “get the message” that your way is obviously the better way and they should adapt. Where is any evidence of this? Why are the going to get any message? Maybe this is even dumber then sending a message by sloooowly increasing the level of tactical bombing?
I want real evidence and I don’t see any.
It’s hard to live in reality if you are surround by television, the media, and popular left-light narrative fiction everywhere. You can literally live in fiction, in the universities.
Steven might want to consider the universities a third state of affairs: rural, urban, and campus society.
Another modern problem is the meeting table. If all everyone does is sit around boardroom tables, showing PowerPoint to one another, stupidity ensues. It all seems so obvious, that they will get the message, all we need are a few more airstrikes on the right targets, surely they will figure it out.
When will these guys realize they’ve lost the openness war? What if they never do?
Canada’s immigration system is geared towards what is good for Canada.
American Liberals learned this the hard way when they realized most of them didn’t have the skills or education to immigrate to Canada.
All the fit, manly Europeans died in two world wars leaving the effete intellectuals and the physically defective, who were exempted from service. The posterity of the European survivors are acting like the class pussies, abasing themselves in front of bullies, because they are the children and grand children of pussies.
Vladimir Putin, or speechwriters he agrees with, on the crisis of the West:
Why wouldn’t a One World Order end up the way China historically has been? A veneer of meritocracy with respect to an all-powerful government (you’ve got to have that, pretty much by definition) over an often corrupt and stifling environment that all to easily devolves to local warlordism, gangs, and as much tragedy-of-the-commons as people can get away with?
It’s more about ‘massophobia’.
EU elites intend to keep the power for themselves.
Diversity destroys both the Right and Left.
As native numbers dwindle and as natives are filled with ‘guilt’, there is less patriotic opposition to elite rule.
As class dynamics are overtaken by identity politics and lifestyle politics(esp homo), there is decline in class solidarity(that usually goes with racial-cultural solidarity, which is why ethnically diverse US had less of a labor movement than European nations with more homogeneous populations).
OTOH, nationalism is fine IF it can be used for EU agenda. Like NATO supporting Neo-Nazis in Ukraine against Russia.
Like the NATO encouraging nationalist breakup of Yugoslavia and Albanian power in Kosovo. Or the breakup of USSR along nationalist lines.
Nationalism against USSR, good. Nationalism against EU, bad.
EU is an empire, and in order for an empire to be maintained, nationalisms must be weakened and dissolved.
Imagine lots of pebbles held together as one big block by cement or glue. It remains an entity in and of itself. How to make the pebbles come loose from one another and be made part of the larger ‘imperial’ entity?
A solvent has to be used to work on the cement and glue. That way, the bonding material that holds the pebbles together will loosen, and the pebbles will come loose.
Diversity, feminism, interracism, hedonism, homomania, minoritarianism, and white guilt are all solvents used against the glue of nationalism. They work like water, or more effectively than water. It’s like paint thinner. And then, the nation comes apart. Cult of Diversity suppresses native unity and pride. Feminism divides men and women. Interracism fills white women with jungle fever and makes them use wombs to create black babies who will beat up white boys and impregnate more white girls. Hedonism extols momentary pleasure over long-term purpose. Homomania turns culture into narcissism and nihilism; also, the homo style even affects straight white males into dressing and acting ‘gay’ and unmanly. No wonder German men do nothing to protect their womenfolk from invader-attackers. Minoritarianism says native majority must care more about interests of minority seen as ‘victims’ no matter how privileged. ‘White guilt’ paralyzes rage and will to action.
Nationalism without glue cannot hold. Weaken the force that binds a people together, and things fall apart.
The EU hates
Getting ever closer to Enoch Powell’s 1971 prediction of Britain and Russia verses Germany. Again. Lets hope this time France will be on Germany’s side
I don’t see how Ryan would be any worse, if he were a Soviet sleeper agent a la The Manchurian Candidate. I hope Trump finds a way to break him (voted out of speakership, indictment, huge, devastating scandal, voted out of office, etc.). Bringing him to heel is probably the best we can hope for, but breaking him would be far better.
Personally, I think the way to solve this problem is to make the rich perennially glad to appreciate the benefits of being alive to enjoy their wealth.
If anything, Russia and most of eastern Europe suffered more, but…
Just give him and all the Christian do-gooders something better to do and they'll be on it.Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
Mass Immigration Has Been Weaponized.
The British voted to leave the expiring European Union to stop nation-wrecking mass immigration and multicultural mayhem. European Christian Americans voted for Donald Trump to stop nation-wrecking mass immigration and multicultural mayhem.
Watch the central banks. Monetary extremism and mass immigration are linked. The European Central Bank should not exist, but it does. For how much longer will the ECB exist? Perhaps Marine Le Pen has the answer.
Happy New Year!
Mr.Anon.
“What an idiot like you thinks is, of course, of no interest to anyone.”
Fuck you, shit head. You are so dumb you don’t even realize the contradiction in your statement. You don’t care what I think, and yet here you are responding to me. Imbecile.
“Who granted politicians the right to expound upon “who we are”, as the useless figure-head and stooge Barack Obama is fond of saying? Leave it to a stupid blockhead like Nick Diaz to repeat such idiotic drivel.”
It is not politicians, retard. It is people like Voltaire, Kant, Locke, Adam Smith, etc. Europe is the result of the thinking of many brilliant intellectuals over centuries.
“Europe is the home of Europeans. If it isn’t that, it isn’t anything.”
And, of course, to a shit head like you “European” means white, huh? Racist little shit.
Meh.
Just give him and all the Christian do-gooders something better to do and they’ll be on it.
There is that picture atop this post of him squeezing some guy's neck. Who is that and what is the context??
Have no doubt if he tried to do that to me, I'd squeeze his neck 3x as hard, until he begged for mercy.
The other videos in the post paint the guy as a kind of avuncular lush, seemingly well meaning bureaucrat, etc. In the context of the crime his policies have inflected on the EU... from rape, murder, vandalism & cultural destruction, it is hard to see anything benevolent about the Juncker. Basically a wolf in sheep's clothing.Replies: @Desiderius
Colonialism stalled in the early 1900’s and then went into reverse in the later 1900’s. Now England, France and Germany are being colonized from the primitive places which they once ruled.
It’s like a tide that comes in and then goes out, and the shore stinks at low tide.
Can the tide come in again?
Just give him and all the Christian do-gooders something better to do and they'll be on it.Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
Am liking the idea of Juncker on a chain gang, busting rocks in the hot sun or helping build a southern EU perimeter wall. Or perhaps he could be passed around as a discount Gigolo in a Calais migrant camp.
There is that picture atop this post of him squeezing some guy’s neck. Who is that and what is the context??
Have no doubt if he tried to do that to me, I’d squeeze his neck 3x as hard, until he begged for mercy.
The other videos in the post paint the guy as a kind of avuncular lush, seemingly well meaning bureaucrat, etc. In the context of the crime his policies have inflected on the EU… from rape, murder, vandalism & cultural destruction, it is hard to see anything benevolent about the Juncker. Basically a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
American Liberals learned this the hard way when they realized most of them didn't have the skills or education to immigrate to Canada.Replies: @ben tillman, @anon
No, it’s not. It’s designed to take Canadians’ ownership of Canada away from them, and ultimately it is designed to replace them.
But I think the govt in Canada is/has overdone it. Yes, Chinese/Koreans are much preferable to sub Saharan Africans and Muslims. They don't trash neighbourhoods. They value education.
But, moderation in all things, as someone mentioned earlier. It's become ridiculous. Too much too quickly.Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
True.
A non-sequitur. Whatever you think about the migrants who are already in Europe, stopping further mass migration from the Muslim world is a no-brainer.
It is not the only strange thing that is going on. The EU Commission is determined to drive a hard bargain over Brexit, in order to discourage other countries from leaving.
Consider the facts. The 28 member states voluntarily signed the EU’s treaties. The Commission and its employees are convinced of the benefits of EU membership. But at the same time they are terrified of an idea that ostensibly they do not believe, and that the government of each member state has voluntarily renounced: that member states would be better off outside the EU than inside.
Rule of thumb, it doesnt hold in every case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fASN9oYGdw
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/710772/Juncker-denies-drink-problem-during-interview-where-he-guzzles-four-glasses-of-champagneReplies: @Alec Leamas, @G Pinfold
I can’t see Juncker getting slappy like that with Putin or Trump; not if he drained all the wine in Burgundy.
Steve, nice photo editorial of silly, treasonous Juncker.
My wife and I are born and raised roman Catholic and would jump to a breakaway RC denomination in a minute if it fought to preserve white European culture, territorial integrity, languages, mores, and demographic and political security, unity, and dominance for our peoples in their own lands. The current crooked and perverted RC church establishment — including Jorge bergoglio, the NCCB, Catholic Charities, etc., is actively working to destroy our countries and transform them negatively beyond recognition.
(If the breakaway RC church let priests be normal men — to marry and have children — that would help too. The establishment RC church already has a rule specifically allowing them to poach clergy from other denominations who are already married with children, so apparently they don’t really think it’s necessarily immoral or inappropriate.
A breakaway Catholic Church, allied with Eastern Orthodox churches (all patriarchates) to actively repel and exclude Islam and other threats from Europe and Russia and North America alike.
Juncker has been accused of being an alcoholic. He’s completely ineffectual.
He denies the alkie charge. Everyone agrees he drinks a lot. Why is he even still there? I think we have a leadership problem.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/14/jean-claude-juncker-denies-alcohol-problem-during-interview-in-w/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395Replies: @Ivy, @anon
The U.N. has been a key factor in the demographic destruction of white nations. Its founding has been a disaster for white people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union
The Coudenhove-Kalergi Foundation awarded its European Prize t0 Angela Merkel in 2010.
https://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/ContentArchiv/EN/Archiv17/Artikel/_2011/01/2011-01-13-merkel-europapreis_en.htmlReplies: @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Kyle McKenna
Thanks for a spectacular contribution to the discussion.
American Liberals learned this the hard way when they realized most of them didn't have the skills or education to immigrate to Canada.Replies: @ben tillman, @anon
As a Canadian who feels totally like an alien in the home his family has owned for four generations I can emphatically tell you that our immigration is NOT good for us. It is only good for the Liberal party.
Secondly there is a YUUUGGGEEE amount of Social Darwinism to Open Borders. Open Borders means defacto that only the most ruthless, determined, and advantaged White men advance, and every other White dude drowns in a sea of hostile Third Worlders (White women do just fine as mistresses and concubines etc. of the immavaders). Older White dudes have ZILCH solidarity to younger ones; indeed they are hostile, and can't figure out why younger ones have problems living in a defacto semi-Zimbabwe mixed with Yemen.
Thirdly is the fact that the elites are MONUMENTALLY STUPID. I am continually amazed at just how stupid they are in every facet. Look at for example, Star Wars. Where does Star Wars make its money? Duh, TOYS FOR BOYS. That's the whole money-making operation right there. Two consecutive Mary Sues with "diverse" and non-White casts means zero toy buying by parents of White boys. Girls don't like testosterone fueled adventures, there is no singing and dancing and romance (but very soft) in the Star Wars movies, no funny and cute side-kick for the lead girl, and no emphasis on family. Frozen continues to mint money for Disney; while these Star Wars movies will underperform quite a bit in the toy business because elites who run Disney are stupid enough to actually believe diversity = money.
Jean Claude Juncker is no different from all the elites in the EU who have been indoctrinated in various feminist/marxist/SJW idiocies of "White Dudez are evil, one geek asked Mary Sue out for coffee in an elevator!" Juncker is stupid enough to believe in Lennon's "Imagine."
That's the perils of an inbred, non-competitive elite. Active Hot Civil War in Europe is now an inevitability, with Frau Merkel's Merkel Youth being the critical factor. Six Syrians and a Libyan attempted to set a German homeless man on fire Christmas Eve. Europeans get hostile Third World Muslims waging war on them on city streets, and in exchange they get ... less welfare, less social services, less security, less employment, less freedom. And elites are stupid enough to think that's stable.
I'm shocked there has not been a spate of Flight Lt. Jerry Rawlings or Master Sgt Samuel K. Does in Europe.Replies: @Anonym, @Frau Katze
I’m an educated white Western woman who doesn’t your description. I have a sister with similar views.
I’m as baffled as any of you. I’ll concede that women are more prone to the “drowning immigrant” syndrome. But it’s not as cut and dried as you think.
Lack of knowledge about Islam is a big factor. I’ve been extremely suspicious of Islam since 9/11.
I think there’s a lot of denial about Islam. After all, no other religion is like them, so there’s a tendency to think “they’ll become more moderate.” No they won’t.
I’ve been kicked off liberal sites over Islam.
Re: mainstream European Union ideology, which has, without anybody much noticing, become increasingly anti-European.
Well, 52% of the British electorate noticed it.
Ethnic Russians have an extremely low birth rate. I’m not aware that Putin is doing a single thing about it.
Meanwhile, the Muslims within Russia have a high birth rate. Then there’s “guest workers” from the Asian Muslim countries.
If Putin is serious about protecting Christianity, he’s doesn’t act like it.
You see, this is what I was talking about on your post about adopting a "European-American" identity instead of a white one. There are lots of fools like Nick Diaz out there who just think Europe=progress du jour.It's not fighting. To make an analogy you might relate to, Luke Skywalker throws away his lightsaber in "Return of the Jedi" rather than continuing to fight Darth Vader as the Emperor desires. The result is that the Emperor zaps him with lightning to the point of death. In this modern fairy tale, there is a happy ending only because Darth Vader has a last-minute change of heart. Who among the Salafascists and degenerate welfare sponges invading Europe is going to be the Darth Vader to Juncker's Luke Skywalker? What evidence do you point to demonstrating that Europe's openness has a secularizing and liberalizing psychological impact on immigrant majorities? Have you read Nassim Taleb's simple paper demonstrating why and how small intolerant minorities can sway majorities?
The world doesn't exist as a story, and there is no ideal state of being to judge it against. Europe is not better for being open, only more open for being open. If it is open to the point of abolishing itself, it is abolished. There are no bonus points for signaling that you're on the right side of history.
The French chose between tolerance and secularism in enforcing bans on religious symbols in schools. This is because the kind of place they want to live in has to be managed. It doesn't simply arise from principle. The same is true for border control.Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Frau Katze
Do you a link for Taleb’s paper? I looked for it before and couldn’t find it.
https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15#.u486ss4r4
So how do you explain present-day Americans “acting like the class pussies, abasing themselves in from of bullies, because they are the children and grand children of pussies”?
By accident of geography, at least Western Canada is getting way fewer Muslims than the east or, God forbid, Europe.
But I think the govt in Canada is/has overdone it. Yes, Chinese/Koreans are much preferable to sub Saharan Africans and Muslims. They don’t trash neighbourhoods. They value education.
But, moderation in all things, as someone mentioned earlier. It’s become ridiculous. Too much too quickly.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/breakthrough-in-canada
The basic thing is that Canada is somewhat lucky in 2 regards: it is relatively buffered relative to the northbound waves of economic migrants from Central America, and 2nd, it has a quality of life, weather & cost of living wise, that doesn't appeal as much to the bulk of 3rd world migrants as does the USA. Despite this, it is still hellbent on committing demographic hari kari, Ted Kennedy style. The biggest reason for this are the massive Family Reunification and Refugee streams within the overall intake.
From what I can glean, nothing has changed for the better since the above vdare article was written. Probably worse in fact now that Trudeau Jr is in charge.Replies: @Frau Katze
http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/687350/Did-EU-chief-confirm-aliens-EXIST-Juncker-speaks-of-BREXIT-to-leaders-of-other-planetsReplies: @Steve Sailer
Thanks, I’ll post.
Mr.Anon.
“What an idiot like you thinks is, of course, of no interest to anyone.”
What a moron you are. You are so dumb you don’t even realize the contradiction in your statement. You don’t care what I think, and yet here you are responding to me. Imbecile.
“Who granted politicians the right to expound upon “who we are”, as the useless figure-head and stooge Barack Obama is fond of saying? Leave it to a stupid blockhead like Nick Diaz to repeat such idiotic drivel.”
It is not politicians, genius. It is people like Voltaire, Kant, Locke, Adam Smith, etc. Europe is the result of the thinking of many brilliant intellectuals over centuries.
“Europe is the home of Europeans. If it isn’t that, it isn’t anything.”
And, of course, to a shit head like you “European” means white, huh? Racist little shit.
There is that picture atop this post of him squeezing some guy's neck. Who is that and what is the context??
Have no doubt if he tried to do that to me, I'd squeeze his neck 3x as hard, until he begged for mercy.
The other videos in the post paint the guy as a kind of avuncular lush, seemingly well meaning bureaucrat, etc. In the context of the crime his policies have inflected on the EU... from rape, murder, vandalism & cultural destruction, it is hard to see anything benevolent about the Juncker. Basically a wolf in sheep's clothing.Replies: @Desiderius
They’re more sheep in sheep’s clothing. It’s just that the would-be sheepdogs have been seduced into the wolfpack.
A couple generations of active castration of one’s leadership class will do that.
But I think the govt in Canada is/has overdone it. Yes, Chinese/Koreans are much preferable to sub Saharan Africans and Muslims. They don't trash neighbourhoods. They value education.
But, moderation in all things, as someone mentioned earlier. It's become ridiculous. Too much too quickly.Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
The notion or meme that Canada somehow has rigorous immigration policies which benefit the country as a whole or its citizens is BOGUS. I recommend you read this as a primer-
http://www.vdare.com/articles/breakthrough-in-canada
The basic thing is that Canada is somewhat lucky in 2 regards: it is relatively buffered relative to the northbound waves of economic migrants from Central America, and 2nd, it has a quality of life, weather & cost of living wise, that doesn’t appeal as much to the bulk of 3rd world migrants as does the USA. Despite this, it is still hellbent on committing demographic hari kari, Ted Kennedy style. The biggest reason for this are the massive Family Reunification and Refugee streams within the overall intake.
From what I can glean, nothing has changed for the better since the above vdare article was written. Probably worse in fact now that Trudeau Jr is in charge.
I can't stand even looking at his picture.
And yes, we are in a good geographical position (thank you, America, from buffering us from the Mexican border!)
Thanks for the link.
(If the breakaway RC church let priests be normal men -- to marry and have children -- that would help too. The establishment RC church already has a rule specifically allowing them to poach clergy from other denominations who are already married with children, so apparently they don't really think it's necessarily immoral or inappropriate.
A breakaway Catholic Church, allied with Eastern Orthodox churches (all patriarchates) to actively repel and exclude Islam and other threats from Europe and Russia and North America alike.Replies: @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic
Actually, a small number of Englishmen have joined the Orthodox church for similar reasons.
The Taleb paper:
https://medium.com/@nntaleb/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15#.u486ss4r4
http://www.vdare.com/articles/breakthrough-in-canada
The basic thing is that Canada is somewhat lucky in 2 regards: it is relatively buffered relative to the northbound waves of economic migrants from Central America, and 2nd, it has a quality of life, weather & cost of living wise, that doesn't appeal as much to the bulk of 3rd world migrants as does the USA. Despite this, it is still hellbent on committing demographic hari kari, Ted Kennedy style. The biggest reason for this are the massive Family Reunification and Refugee streams within the overall intake.
From what I can glean, nothing has changed for the better since the above vdare article was written. Probably worse in fact now that Trudeau Jr is in charge.Replies: @Frau Katze
Boy Trudeau is a disaster. He’s worse than Obama, Juncker or Merkel. He’s really stupid and never met an immigrant he won’t suck up too.
I can’t stand even looking at his picture.
And yes, we are in a good geographical position (thank you, America, from buffering us from the Mexican border!)
Thanks for the link.
(If the breakaway RC church let priests be normal men -- to marry and have children -- that would help too. The establishment RC church already has a rule specifically allowing them to poach clergy from other denominations who are already married with children, so apparently they don't really think it's necessarily immoral or inappropriate.
A breakaway Catholic Church, allied with Eastern Orthodox churches (all patriarchates) to actively repel and exclude Islam and other threats from Europe and Russia and North America alike.Replies: @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic
I’m an apostate Presbyterian (it’s not the religion of John Knox anymore) but I’d also be interested in a church that actively asserted European civilizational virtues. I once attended a service of schismatic Catholics in Toulouse but I don’t know very much about them except that they broke with the Church over either the reforms of Vatican II or in the aftermath of those reforms.
Now go run and tell your Jewish friends the good news.Replies: @Gabriel M
In a recent comment Nick Diaz claimed that Bibi ordered soldiers to beat up children in Gaza and generally ranted against Steve Sailer for being too pro-Israel. The fact that you would tell him to run to his “Jewish friends” in indicative of your inaccurate and paranoid view of the world.
Yes well Revrum Junk is the latest high priest in the false religion of Humanism. Marinated in Marx and a follower of Anthro-apologist Franz Boas, he’ll tell you there is no difference between naked savages living in hunter gather societies and Western Civilization. Culture can be anything and art doesn’t need to involve skill or beauty. Like the great names in Anthro-apology like Margaret Mead and the California raisins, Revrum Junk would remind you to pay your taxes. Cause Multinational Corporations and bankers don’t need to do that peasant serf contribute to society thing. They are citizens of the wurld. Like the leaders of the Galactic Collective, they’re not involved in your petty survival issues. Like Anthro-apology itself, its devoted to humanism, where the only difference between man and apes is we don’t believe stupid idiots like this.
Absolutely. I mean, even a brief glance at the architecture of the EU’s buildings and the “art” they house reveals how much they loathe European culture through the ages and are intent on replacing it with modernist trash that epitomises degenerate art.
The EU really showed its true colours in 2011 when it spent million dishing out calendars to schools throughout Europe which…
Quite.
Re: OP: European integration has always been ambiguous in its goal. Are the nation-states to be “overcome” in order to strengthen Europeans’ identity and power in the world? Or are the nation-states to be “overcome” as a stepping-stone to globalism/multiculturalism, i.e. pure nation-wrecking?
The Austrian-Japanese writer Coudenhove-Kalergi (bête noire of Nazi circles) promoted “Pan-Europa” in the 1930s, the idea of a united Europe, which sounded good to a lot of people given the fratricidal nationalism of the world wars. But his end-game was the mongrelization of Europeans by mixing them with Africans and Asians (thus creating a purported super-race). This sounds kooky, but Kalergi was awarded the first Charlemagne Prize by the city of Aachen 1950 – the unofficial “EU prize” – and so these ideas did resonate with elite Europeans.
Jean Monnet, one of the founders of European integration, clearly cared about “European identity” only as a stepping-stone to one-world globalism.
On the other hand, many European leaders supported European integration on ethnocentric grounds of uniting with each other as a counter to European demographic decline: e.g. Helmut Schmidt, Valéry Giscard d’Estaing, Helmut Kohl, all of whom expressed hostility to Muslim immigration and/or Turkish membership of the EU as undermining European identity and civilization. Such sentiments were obviously implicitly racial and sometimes explicitly racial (Charles de Gaulle said European nations should cooperate on grounds of their “shared white race”). There were also sometimes Anglophobic and/or anti-Semitic undertones (De Gaulle again, François Mitterrand).
So the EU was kind of neutral on these things. In recent years, Clinton-Blair globalist nonsense about unlimited open borders and demographic displacement has become fashionable doctrine. I have spoken with a high-level German official who literally told me the end-game was for white Germans to become a minority, as if “no biggie!” These have “always” been our “European values” you see!
I understand why some European politicians – Carl Bildt, Guy Verhofstadt, Joschka Fischer – do this. They’re raised on and pander to the assumptions of boomer globalism of the Clinton type. Juncker seems to be the same, basically a conformist, who has gone with the Clinton-Merkel flow and the ever-more-left-wing culture without thinking. The president of the EU Council (who chairs summits of EU leaders), the Polish Donald Tusk, makes much more sensible statements. As to Angela Merkel herself.. a bit of a mystery to be honest. As an Ossie you’d think she’d be more thoughtful like her sensible Central European colleagues.