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What will be in Trump’s immigration speech?
Will he fly to Mexico to meet with President Enrique Peña Nieto as rumored today?
I’m reminded of how in the summer of 2001, George W. Bush treated immigration policy as a subset of foreign policy, meeting a couple of times with Vicente Fox, and having Secretary of State Colin Powell discuss immigration policy with Mexican foreign secretary Jorge Castaneda. At the time, it was widely considered a brilliant strategy by Bush.
Of course, in reality, American immigration policy ought to be treated as an American domestic question.
Here’s video of President Obama’s ambassador discussing immigration reform with El Presidente:
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If Trump goes to Mexico and talks about how he loves Mexicans but believes in, you know, enforcing American immigration law, this could be a major coup for him. Show that he’s not an evil genocidal racist but that he’s sticking to his guns on immigration.
If this is a George W. Bush-style Hispander-fest, then it’s time to dump Trump.
At least with Hillary, Republicans will fight against her amnesty. If Trump caves on amnesty/immigration levels it’ll be a “Nixon goes to China” moment where it sails through on a massive bipartisan margin.
Here’s the story behind the video:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/video-mexican-president-requests-open-borders-from-american-ambassador/
I think the gist of it will be, “Yes, we really are building the wall and yes, we really will be repatriating your illegal gifts of love, but I’d like to do it in a workable and businesslike manner so that people aren’t mistreated and Mexico isn’t overwhelmed. What reasonable requirements do you have?”
It may be that Trump’s intent is to demonstrate that he is a reasonable sort of man, who meets with foreign leaders who oppose his proposed policies to hear out their point of view. If so, this strikes me as a potentially very potent and rather brilliant political move (depending of course on it not blowing up into an ugly public shouting match, or the Mexican leaders suckering him into some kind of ambush).
It would go a great distance in showing Trump can do Presidential — addressing by far his greatest weakness in this race.
Of course, that’s if that’s his intent.
But I’d guess that this interpretation would make the most sense. Trump has been doing a very good job lately suppressing his inner Trump, and this would be more of same. I’m sure he has been suitably impressed by his rise in the polls, and willing to continue what’s been working for him. He’s certainly seems like a pragmatic man, and this is the required pivot.
Will his policies on immigration itself materially change? I’d guess not, but I’d also expect some tweaks.
If this is a George W. Bush-style Hispander-fest, then it's time to dump Trump.
At least with Hillary, Republicans will fight against her amnesty. If Trump caves on amnesty/immigration levels it'll be a "Nixon goes to China" moment where it sails through on a massive bipartisan margin.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Intelligent Dasein, @SteveRogers42
It would really be a coup if Nieto hands him a giant check for the wall.
If this is a George W. Bush-style Hispander-fest, then it's time to dump Trump.
At least with Hillary, Republicans will fight against her amnesty. If Trump caves on amnesty/immigration levels it'll be a "Nixon goes to China" moment where it sails through on a massive bipartisan margin.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Intelligent Dasein, @SteveRogers42
Given the Republican Congress’ fecklessness lo these last eight years, and given the fact that Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, and Jeb have all signaled a willingness to dive headfirst into amnesty, that is a bafflingly naive statement.
Ted Cruz has an A from NumbersUSA, a Conservative website that is anti-invite the world.
There is a reason why the Establishment hate Ted Cruz even more than they hate Donald Trump.
Even pro-open borders Bob Dole said Donald Trump is the lesser of 2 evils compared to Ted Cruz. Bob thinks Ted is too Far Right Wing and not moderate enough.Replies: @Maj. Kong, @ChrisD, @Anonymous
This ain’t kayfabe, bro. Let’s assume, as a thought experiment, that he’s playing Trumpian fourth dimension gamesmanship.
He’s been harassing Hillary for her health very effectively for a while. She takes 3 to 4 day weekends every week at the height of the election? Weird. Mexico’s President invites them both (why? who knows.), so Trump says “OK, let’s do it tomorrow.”
If he and Pena come out with a deal he wins. If Hillary can’t get there for a while (because of health) he wins. If Pena hates him, he has a new enemy in the WWE style (what does Alinsky say? “make it entertaining”?) and he wins.
Two points:
hope that Trump does not sell you out.
the “dictadura prefecta” is a really good movie at least in parts. Watch how Mexican TV covers up Presidents embarrassing mistake. The next 10 minutes are almost as funny.
“Given the Republican Congress’ fecklessness lo these last eight years, and given the fact that Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, and Jeb have all signaled a willingness to dive headfirst into amnesty, that is a bafflingly naive statement.”
Ted Cruz has an A from NumbersUSA, a Conservative website that is anti-invite the world.
There is a reason why the Establishment hate Ted Cruz even more than they hate Donald Trump.
Even pro-open borders Bob Dole said Donald Trump is the lesser of 2 evils compared to Ted Cruz. Bob thinks Ted is too Far Right Wing and not moderate enough.
No, don't be fooled by Cruz, he's as much of a snake as Romney or Hillary.
He's been harassing Hillary for her health very effectively for a while. She takes 3 to 4 day weekends every week at the height of the election? Weird. Mexico's President invites them both (why? who knows.), so Trump says "OK, let's do it tomorrow."
If he and Pena come out with a deal he wins. If Hillary can't get there for a while (because of health) he wins. If Pena hates him, he has a new enemy in the WWE style (what does Alinsky say? "make it entertaining"?) and he wins.Replies: @Anon
Or maybe they’re going to assassinate Trump.
https://twitter.com/dmartosko/status/770828699956412416Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
Great publicity move. Hopefully the discussion will be “frank” but private in diplomatic speak.
Maybe with the revelation of alien signals picked up by SETI, Trump and the president of Mexico going to announce that it’s time to put aside our differences and come together. Trump will agree not to build the wall, and Mexicans will agree not to rape Americans anymore.
Rush Limbaugh predicts Donald Trump is going to fold to peer pressure and disappoint his supporters. We’ll see what happens tomorrow.
Donald Trump is in a damn if you do and damn if you don’t situation. If he caves in, he loses a lot of his supporters who voted for him in the primaries. If he sticks to his guns, he won’t win over any new voters because they will see him as racist and anti-immigrant.
Unless Julian Assange has an October surprise that Crooked Hildabeast pays people to murder her enemies or that she has cancer for example, Donald Trump is not going to become the next president of The United States.
Donald Trump is evidence that no politician can win The White House on an uninvite the world platform. America has way too many White Liberals and Nonwhites. When you add up Nonwhites and White Liberals together, they definitely makeup over 50 percent of The U.S population.
The Democratic Party has a huge advantage in that right off the bat they already start out with over 90 percent of the African American vote, over 70 percent of the Hispanic vote, and 40 to 45 percent of the White vote. How the hell is Donald Trump going to beat that? For every 10 White voters, at least 4 of them will vote for Crooked Hildabeast. For Donald Trump nowhere near 4 out of every 10 Nonwhite voters will vote for him.
Whites do not vote in a large enough racial bloc to off set monolithic Nonwhite support for The Democratic Party.
The Democratic Party’s strength is that they win a large sizable minority of the White vote while The GOP wins a paltry share of the Nonwhite vote.
Every American personally knows at least one White person who plans to vote for Crooked Hildabeast. Most Americans do not personally know at least one Nonwhite person who plans to vote for Donald Trump.
George W. Bush will go down in American history as the last Republican president ever.
Mexicans are such ruthless discriminators against their own people (not to mention Americans!) that any honest comparison of our laws would make us seem openhearted chumps in comparison.
Read Allan Wall's archives (vdare.com) on the subject.Replies: @Bill
You realize if he gets out alive that will make him look bad.
I hope they haven’t sent the head of security to Antarctica.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSw9sjqYK_I
Classic scene.
OT – Steve, have you followed the latest controversy surrounding Gov. Paul LePage of Maine? I think it’s important for some numerate and resourceful iStevers or alt-righters to dig into this latest controversy and see if what he’s been spouting is defensible. I really worry that he’s so inept at defending himself that it will scare a generation of Mainers into NOT noticing what’s really happening in their state.
LePage is an inarticulate hothead, but also a “noticer”. He has noticed there is a heroin problem in his very white state, and he has noticed that most of the heroin traffickers are blacks and Hispanics from out of state. However, he doesn’t seem to have any data/evidence to back this up. His opponents are mocking his statements, essentially saying, “No, nearly all the drug dealers in Maine are white, and only a racist pig would suggest otherwise.”
Here’s an article on the latest brouhaha. I quote:
But given the overall demographics of crime, I do wonder if there is truth to LePage’s poorly made claims. A quick google search shows month-old news about the biggest drug bust in Maine’s history – a black man from out-of-state.
Perhaps the FBI’s data are highly misleading? Perhaps most of those arrests were for petty distribution or maybe meth (relatively white drug), and blacks and Hispanics are more associated with heroin? Perhaps Maine police haven’t been successful in making drug arrests yet? Perhaps “people in Maine” means Maine residents and so are not counting out-of-staters!?!
I don’t want to personally defend LePage’s bumbling, crude statements, but I very much don’t want to see potential noticers to be scared into stop noticing.
People in Maine should be alarmed that the heroin (forget meth; it's mostly heroin) problem is growing, not abating. The despair and disillusion that teens feel in New England or the Rust Belt/Plains states, should be a national emergency.Replies: @Anonymous, @BayAreaBill
He may be a tad blunt, but he's not wrong. I live in MA and see the process. There's not a week that goes by that you don't read about a carload of cholos with New York or Connecticut plates getting stopped by police on Route 91 or the Mass Turnpike and what have we here, vato, a trunk full of dope. LePage mentioned our lovely, vibrant cities of Lawrence (73% Hispanic) and Lowell (21% Hispanic) as the jump-off point for the trip north, and he's absolutely correct.
He's the suspect in the largest heroin bust in Maine's history, just this summer:
http://www.wmtw.com/news/suspect-in-maines-largest-heroin-bust-due-in-court/40362126
Mainers are already quite busy not noticing the various and sundry "refugee" enablers turning their state into Bantuistan. Maybe the heroin will help ease the pain.
I thought it was funny when Donald Trump said he would win 95 percent of the Black vote in 2020. He can’t even win 55 percent of the White vote, let alone 95 percent of the Black vote. Current polls have White support for Donald Trump at only 50 percent. He needs to win 20 percent more of the White vote in order to win The White House.
Can Donald Trump increase his share of the White vote from 50 percent to 70 percent in less than 3 months? I doubt he can perform miracles like that, he is no Moses from The Ten Commandments who parted the red sea.
Man, let it go.
Sessions is coming with:
https://twitter.com/dmartosko/status/770828699956412416
LePage is an inarticulate hothead, but also a "noticer". He has noticed there is a heroin problem in his very white state, and he has noticed that most of the heroin traffickers are blacks and Hispanics from out of state. However, he doesn't seem to have any data/evidence to back this up. His opponents are mocking his statements, essentially saying, "No, nearly all the drug dealers in Maine are white, and only a racist pig would suggest otherwise."
Here's an article on the latest brouhaha. I quote:But given the overall demographics of crime, I do wonder if there is truth to LePage's poorly made claims. A quick google search shows month-old news about the biggest drug bust in Maine's history - a black man from out-of-state.
Perhaps the FBI's data are highly misleading? Perhaps most of those arrests were for petty distribution or maybe meth (relatively white drug), and blacks and Hispanics are more associated with heroin? Perhaps Maine police haven't been successful in making drug arrests yet? Perhaps "people in Maine" means Maine residents and so are not counting out-of-staters!?!
I don't want to personally defend LePage's bumbling, crude statements, but I very much don't want to see potential noticers to be scared into stop noticing.Replies: @Lot, @Langley, @Anonymous, @Lagertha, @Brutusale
Per the Maine census of 2010, the state is 1.2% black, so drug offenses at 12 times the rate of the non-black population.
Another blunder by a Mexican.
Trump’s meeting in Mexico should embody the following quotes:
Trump is basically Heisenberg. His true nature cannot be determined and upon microscopic inspection nothing exactly makes sense. Wave or particle? The true nature of Trump cannot exactly be determined which makes him so intriguing (and dangerous). Trump also embodies the Observer Effect, what I see in Trump is completely different from what others see in/project upon him.
https://twitter.com/dmartosko/status/770828699956412416Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
If Sessions is going, I’m happy.
Rush Limbaugh is a radical Cruzlim, a weasel, and a fraud. Lately he’s taken to insinuating that Trump is going to (or already did) change his mind on immigration because he’s trying to throw Trump under the bus and to make sure Trump’s supporters end up disappointed in him. Limbaugh is a despicable quisling.
His method of going about this is to constantly propound his absurd thesis that “Trump supporters don’t care what he does. ” As if all the talk about border security and the wall were just empty campaign showmanship. By taking this tack, Limbaugh is cleverly “assuming the sale” on the proposition that Trump has indeed flipflopped. Then he tries to close the deal by offering up the palliative that it doesn’t really matter. If you accept the palliative, you implicitly stipulate to the flipflopping, and then you’re screwed. All it would take at that point is some screeching liberal to taunt you with how inconsistent your support for Donald Trump is, for you to turn against The Donald and hate him for deluding you. Limbaugh is a satanic liar.
I, of course, do not accept the premise. Either of the premises, really. One, it very much does matter to me what Trump’s positions are; and two, he hasn’t flipflopped in the slightest. The second premise is very important. For the last week we’ve seen a full court press of media bombardment trying to convince us that Trump is “softening” his position. Now why would they want to say that when it simply isn’t true? It’s only because they’re trying to drive a wedge between Trump and the patriotic American people. It is demonstrably the case that Trump’s immigration position has never changed. Anybody who say otherwise is either a collaborator a useful idiot.
True. But LePage said “90%” black and Hispanic, I believe. Comparing those numbers makes him look like a complete moron. I suspect he’s not nearly as wrong as this simple numerical comparison makes it look, though maybe he is. He specifically mentioned out-of-staters as well, and it’s possible this confounds all of these statistics, which may refer to Maine residents.
Trump should have told Nieto to fly to the US if he wants to meet. Why should Trump go down there?
The fact that this guy is left sooooo very far out to dry, with not a single defender, when he’s basically just noticing what’s happening in his state, really makes me very nervous. Noticers need to unite in defense of one another, if not in defense of the statements we make, lest no noticer will ever dare say what he noticed.
He could hammer the hell out of the Mexican president merely by treating Mexico as an equal: Mexicans cannot demonstrate in the US since Americans cannot demonstrate in Mexico. Mexicans cannot buy land in America since Americans cannot buy land in Mexico. Mexicans cannot get free government medical care in the US since Americans cannot get free government medical care in Mexico. Mexicans in America must prove their citizenship before voting in America since Mexicans demand proof of citizenship before voting in Mexico. Americans get to rape Mexican illegals since Mexicans get to rape Guatemalan illegals.
Mexicans are such ruthless discriminators against their own people (not to mention Americans!) that any honest comparison of our laws would make us seem openhearted chumps in comparison.
Read Allan Wall’s archives (vdare.com) on the subject.
I can’t turn away from the news without Trump doing something. Let’s hope this is not a giant sellout. The guy has several winning issues to play in this election, but seems determined to throw them away or focus on non-issues like Mika and Joe.
In regards to the illegals, I don’t know why he is getting checkmated by the naysayers saying you can’t deport 11 million. He doesn’t have to since self-deportations would occur if existing laws were enforced. As chief executive, he’d be able to make life harder for illegals and their employers and could facilitate said self-deportations. Yet he seems afraid to mention the term. It is amazing that self-deportation has become a kooky term, when in reality is has already been taking place.
The term “self-deportation” focus groups very very badly, worse than “deportation.”
Maybe people get “self-deportation” confused with “self-mutilation?”
Trump so far has actually been pretty good at using simple words to describe his policies so that even a stupid person can understand. Other politicians should learn from that.
If Trump wants to promote self-deportation he should say "require proof of legal status for jobs and public benefits" or some jazzier version of that phrase. That's basically how Prop 187 was described and it passed overwhelmingly in a Dem-leaning state.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Repatriation is another term that sounds a whole lot softer but says the same thing.
Lots of the Lithuanians whom I know were or still are here illegally. They came on tourist visas and stayed. They got into fictitious marriages. They got drivers licenses in states where they never lived. And so forth and so on.
Many of my Lithuanian friends have self-deported. They gave up. They didn't want to keep living dishonestly and in fear of getting caught.
Most of them simply moved to the United Kingdom. A few even returned to Lithuania.Replies: @Mike Sylwester
Ted Cruz has an A from NumbersUSA, a Conservative website that is anti-invite the world.
There is a reason why the Establishment hate Ted Cruz even more than they hate Donald Trump.
Even pro-open borders Bob Dole said Donald Trump is the lesser of 2 evils compared to Ted Cruz. Bob thinks Ted is too Far Right Wing and not moderate enough.Replies: @Maj. Kong, @ChrisD, @Anonymous
Ted Cruz is a Bush Republican, that has been on a four year tour of pretending to not be one. I cannot see Cruz ever adopting the mantle of white identity politics.
Donald Trump has not adopted the mantle of White identity politics either. He is always talking about how if he becomes president he is going to create more jobs for Hispanics and African Americans who live in poverty. Doesn't sound like White Nationalist speak to me.Replies: @Maj. Kong
If a right-wing President cannot be elected in the United States, it is time for right-wingers to cease to support the government as currently constituted. We have no obligation to pander our way to being a hated and “privileged” minority. Instead, a movement for self-determination and a civil divorce of the existing 50 states. An intellectually honest conservative must admit that the rights and culture of traditional America will never be preserved by a non-white and anti-Christian leftist government.
There are a lot of Right Wing White Texans who want Texas to part ways from The United States and become their own nation.Replies: @Clifford Brown
“Self-deportation” isn’t a well understood term, so Dems were able to easily spin it as if Romney was calling for blockading food and medicine to Latino neighborhoods to starve people out.
Trump so far has actually been pretty good at using simple words to describe his policies so that even a stupid person can understand. Other politicians should learn from that.
If Trump wants to promote self-deportation he should say “require proof of legal status for jobs and public benefits” or some jazzier version of that phrase. That’s basically how Prop 187 was described and it passed overwhelmingly in a Dem-leaning state.
Trump so far has actually been pretty good at using simple words to describe his policies so that even a stupid person can understand. Other politicians should learn from that.
If Trump wants to promote self-deportation he should say "require proof of legal status for jobs and public benefits" or some jazzier version of that phrase. That's basically how Prop 187 was described and it passed overwhelmingly in a Dem-leaning state.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Trump has a real skill at not using clever terms that confuse people.
https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/770838304728100865
Or perhaps homecoming deportation.
Bare bones nominee: self-repatriation.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Ozymandias
This is a good move. It’s a good chance to show that he’s able to negotiate and work out deals with foreign leaders. If he can have an amiable meeting with Mexico’s leaders, while still maintaining his tough stance on immigration, it could be a game changer.
“Aspiring American” confuses me. Does he mean someone aspiring to be an American, or an American aspiring to be successful?
“Ted Cruz is a Bush Republican, that has been on a four year tour of pretending to not be one. I cannot see Cruz ever adopting the mantle of white identity politics.”
Donald Trump has not adopted the mantle of White identity politics either. He is always talking about how if he becomes president he is going to create more jobs for Hispanics and African Americans who live in poverty. Doesn’t sound like White Nationalist speak to me.
The phrase "White Nationalist" is incendiary and mythological, in the same way that "Black Nationalist" as relating to the New Black Panthers, or "Nacionalista Raza" would be in the case of Mecha.
I speak to people who think it would require thousands of government planes and buses, law enforcement agents galore and many years to move a few million people. Then I point out how around 1 million migrants just walked into Europe last summer. These people can leave the same way they came in.
“If a right-wing President cannot be elected in the United States, it is time for right-wingers to cease to support the government as currently constituted.”
There are a lot of Right Wing White Texans who want Texas to part ways from The United States and become their own nation.
Sorry, that battle has been lost.Replies: @Jefferson
Look into the “Sailer Strategy.” It’s never actually been tried before.
Donald Trump is trying the Sailer strategy and it's failing. Like I said, when you add up White Liberals and Nonwhites together they easily make up well over 50 percent of The U.S population which is enough to help a Democrat win the presidency. Conservatives are only 37 percent of The U.S population, which is not enough to get Donald Trump or any other Republican elected into the oval office.Replies: @ChrisD
I almost wish Donald had embraced it anyway. Just give the electorate one last chance to either affirm the Historic American nation or chuck it. He's only got a 1 in 5 chance of winning now, and he's spending half of every speech pandering to the damn rampaging blacks and (and tremulous cucks), so if he loses doing all that, as is probable, it will be humiliation on top of defeat.Replies: @Jefferson, @Lagertha, @Desiderius
What better photo op than if the two of them place the first bricks in what will become a big beautiful wall?
Good fences make good neighbors.
Peace & Prosperity for both USA + Mexico.
So what can you ask for from Trump in return? What can Trump offer? Help building a wall on the Guatemalan border? Help in rounding up drug gangs? A mega real estate deal where Trump negotiates the right to develop the Baja coast for U.S. retirees? Or maybe even buying the whole peninsula from Mexico?Replies: @NOTA, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
Donald Trump has not adopted the mantle of White identity politics either. He is always talking about how if he becomes president he is going to create more jobs for Hispanics and African Americans who live in poverty. Doesn't sound like White Nationalist speak to me.Replies: @Maj. Kong
Any kind of resistance to the left’s project of demographic transformation, is de facto white identity politics. By resisting immigration, and directly challenging the media, Trump has achieved more in his campaign, than was achieved in the entirety of the last four Republican presidential administrations.
The phrase “White Nationalist” is incendiary and mythological, in the same way that “Black Nationalist” as relating to the New Black Panthers, or “Nacionalista Raza” would be in the case of Mecha.
There are a lot of Right Wing White Texans who want Texas to part ways from The United States and become their own nation.Replies: @Clifford Brown
An independent Texas is just Mexico, but with more Blacks at this point. Texans would vote to return to the Mexican Motherland and sing the praises of Santa Ana going forward.
Sorry, that battle has been lost.
It’s interesting to consider things from the Mexican president’s perspective. If Trump gets elected and follows through with a wall + a crackdown on illegal immigration, you’re going to be out a lot of money in remittances, plus an escape valve for your underclass. You’ll be even worse off if he cracks down on NAFTA outsourcing.
So what can you ask for from Trump in return? What can Trump offer? Help building a wall on the Guatemalan border? Help in rounding up drug gangs? A mega real estate deal where Trump negotiates the right to develop the Baja coast for U.S. retirees? Or maybe even buying the whole peninsula from Mexico?
Business and prosperity can hardly flourish in a climate of fear & terror.
I'm not a reflexive Trump basher, but I have my doubts about his skill at management or making deals. I'm always hopeful though... Perhaps he can help frame the wall as a win-win for America and Mexican neighborly relations. If need be give Mexico a some real concession for a fig leaf so they can sell as a victory at home and perhaps earn some good will and buy in.
I sincerely don't believe that Trump is racist or anti-Mexican. Nevertheless I'm often quite disappointed about some of the unnecessarily harsh rhetoric or bad faith that identifies with Trump's unusual tough notions about following the rule of law and enforcing border rules. Too often I'll read or hear Trump supporters expressing a little too much schadenfreude or glee about making Mexico pay or suffer. It's really unnecessary. Do we wish ill-fortune upon our neighbor's homes? Can't we be happy if their families prosper in good health at the same time as our families do? I really do wish Mexico the best. For better or for worse, most of their fate is in their own hands. Sure we'll probably never have Finland on our southern border. But Yankees don't exact view Alabama & Louisiana as their equals either. Nobody could imagine the Cold War ending either like it eventually did. Perhaps we can look forward to a future Mexico that may never be as boring and prosperous as Minnesota, but maybe this difficult chapter of our shared history will be past and the two nations can be comfortable as confident more equal peers.
To connote absence of coercion, while conveying that illegals act of their own free will, perhaps Mr. Trump should deploy the term volunteer deportation.
Or perhaps homecoming deportation.
Bare bones nominee: self-repatriation.
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/770833840894054400Replies: @Clyde, @Broski
Homeland Reunification.
If this is a George W. Bush-style Hispander-fest, then it's time to dump Trump.
At least with Hillary, Republicans will fight against her amnesty. If Trump caves on amnesty/immigration levels it'll be a "Nixon goes to China" moment where it sails through on a massive bipartisan margin.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Intelligent Dasein, @SteveRogers42
The Stupid Party has done nothing for us forever. Their”fight” is all talk, and then…whaddaya know…bipartisanship. Meanwhile, the country slides down the drain. Who on earth has any confidence in the GOPe to do anything other than put up a sham “fight” and then be a good loser?
I wondered, who has McCain ever fought besides conservatives of his own party? He fights off primary challengers with far more energy than he ever fought Obama.
Or perhaps homecoming deportation.
Bare bones nominee: self-repatriation.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Ozymandias
How about “family reunification assistance”? Dems are very concerned about breaking up families (see tweet below). Trump could say that all illegal aliens who register with the ICE by March will get biometric ID cards letting them stay in the US until July (so their kids, if they have any can finish school), and then will get plane tickets and and $1k per family member in relocation assistance to return to their home countries ($500 per family member up front, and $500 they can collect at a US consulate in their home country a year later).
Lets say 20 million illegals decide to take the money and run....... This is 100 billion we fork out. Worth it in my book.
A real effective Trump wall-- 20 billion dollars
A real effective visa entry/exit tracking system with visa holder tracking while in the USA --- 20 billionReplies: @Dave Pinsen, @Nico
If Trump meets up with El President y Gran Salami Slicer Enrique Peña Nieto this will get Trump some Hispanic votes and soften up his image enough to get some undecideds to vote for him too. Because Trump was not afraid to “dialogue” with the Mexicans. This shows he is not a racist and a hater.
LePage is an inarticulate hothead, but also a "noticer". He has noticed there is a heroin problem in his very white state, and he has noticed that most of the heroin traffickers are blacks and Hispanics from out of state. However, he doesn't seem to have any data/evidence to back this up. His opponents are mocking his statements, essentially saying, "No, nearly all the drug dealers in Maine are white, and only a racist pig would suggest otherwise."
Here's an article on the latest brouhaha. I quote:But given the overall demographics of crime, I do wonder if there is truth to LePage's poorly made claims. A quick google search shows month-old news about the biggest drug bust in Maine's history - a black man from out-of-state.
Perhaps the FBI's data are highly misleading? Perhaps most of those arrests were for petty distribution or maybe meth (relatively white drug), and blacks and Hispanics are more associated with heroin? Perhaps Maine police haven't been successful in making drug arrests yet? Perhaps "people in Maine" means Maine residents and so are not counting out-of-staters!?!
I don't want to personally defend LePage's bumbling, crude statements, but I very much don't want to see potential noticers to be scared into stop noticing.Replies: @Lot, @Langley, @Anonymous, @Lagertha, @Brutusale
In FBI stats Mexicans are White
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/770833840894054400Replies: @Clyde, @Broski
Good Idea but it’s worth $5,000 per illegal alien pest for them to get out and never come back, under pain of imprisonment. Biometrics taken as they exit.
Lets say 20 million illegals decide to take the money and run……. This is 100 billion we fork out. Worth it in my book.
A real effective Trump wall– 20 billion dollars
A real effective visa entry/exit tracking system with visa holder tracking while in the USA — 20 billion
We need to embark on a year-long Reign of Terror against those who break our immigration laws and crack down even harder on those who aid and abet them. I'm talking arrests, deportations, prison sentences, large-scale confiscations of property and a limited number of partial amnesties (mostly reserved to citizen facilitators and not illegal aliens themselves) for those who turn coat like we did with the mafia. Committing or facilitating illegal immigration into the U.S. needs to be made a thoroughly unattractive enterprise and must remain so indefinitely. That, more than any physical barrier, will keep them out.
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/770833840894054400Replies: @Clyde, @Broski
Make it $10k per member. It’s $15B, nothing.
“Look into the “Sailer Strategy.” It’s never actually been tried before.”
Donald Trump is trying the Sailer strategy and it’s failing. Like I said, when you add up White Liberals and Nonwhites together they easily make up well over 50 percent of The U.S population which is enough to help a Democrat win the presidency. Conservatives are only 37 percent of The U.S population, which is not enough to get Donald Trump or any other Republican elected into the oval office.
Trump is mobilizing the blue collar and white middle class stay-at-home voters who will this year come out in record numbers, like they did during the primaries.Replies: @Jefferson
Sorry, that battle has been lost.Replies: @Jefferson
“An independent Texas is just Mexico,”
Texas is a lot Whiter than Mexico. In Mexico you can only find Whitopias in upperclass neighborhoods. In Texas you do not have to be wealthy to live around a lot of Whites.
Ted Cruz has an A from NumbersUSA, a Conservative website that is anti-invite the world.
There is a reason why the Establishment hate Ted Cruz even more than they hate Donald Trump.
Even pro-open borders Bob Dole said Donald Trump is the lesser of 2 evils compared to Ted Cruz. Bob thinks Ted is too Far Right Wing and not moderate enough.Replies: @Maj. Kong, @ChrisD, @Anonymous
No. Cruz is pro-amnesty. Remember his stunt handing out gift baskets to illegals crossing the Texas border in 2014? Or his pathway to citizenship amendment in the Gang of Eight Bill, which he retrospectively claimed was supposed to act as a poison pill, despite him campaigning vigorously on the amendment to pass at the time?
No, don’t be fooled by Cruz, he’s as much of a snake as Romney or Hillary.
Donald Trump is trying the Sailer strategy and it's failing. Like I said, when you add up White Liberals and Nonwhites together they easily make up well over 50 percent of The U.S population which is enough to help a Democrat win the presidency. Conservatives are only 37 percent of The U.S population, which is not enough to get Donald Trump or any other Republican elected into the oval office.Replies: @ChrisD
False. Citation needed for your stats there. The fact is that around 40% of the electorate are inclined or registered to vote Dem, and 35-36% are inclined or registered to vote for Republicans. The remaining 20-25% of Americans are independents. As the LA Times/USC Dornslife poll has indicated multiple times this election cycle, Independents overwhelming lean Republican. This is Trump’s strategy, and it is working. Don’t buy in to FiveThirtyEight’s pro-Shillary garbage because they simply rely on CNN and CBS polls which only focus on registered voters.
Trump is mobilizing the blue collar and white middle class stay-at-home voters who will this year come out in record numbers, like they did during the primaries.
Independents didn't lean Republican in 2012 and 2008.Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber, @Jack Hanson, @EriK
Lets say 20 million illegals decide to take the money and run....... This is 100 billion we fork out. Worth it in my book.
A real effective Trump wall-- 20 billion dollars
A real effective visa entry/exit tracking system with visa holder tracking while in the USA --- 20 billionReplies: @Dave Pinsen, @Nico
My idea was to make it high enough to be attractive but not high enough to pay for a coyote trip back, but you could offer more, I guess, as long as you string it out annually. Say they get $500 or $1k per family member per year for 5 years instead of 2. But every family member gets biometric data taken, and they only get paid at the US consulate in person. So they’re getting paid to leave and to stay gone.
Most White people don’t care about being White. The Sailer strategy OUGHT to work, but the people aren’t good enough to go with it. Cuckservatism and Liberalism have poisoned the minds of so many that the Whites of good character are overwhelmed.
I almost wish Donald had embraced it anyway. Just give the electorate one last chance to either affirm the Historic American nation or chuck it. He’s only got a 1 in 5 chance of winning now, and he’s spending half of every speech pandering to the damn rampaging blacks and (and tremulous cucks), so if he loses doing all that, as is probable, it will be humiliation on top of defeat.
And WASPs in The U.S are the worst in terms of lacking a tribal identity. The vast majority of them do not even exhibit English pride, let alone White pride.
The rare exception is Syonredux who is quite proud of his partial English ancestry. He holds up the English as the gold standard of ethnic groups.
Millennials know they've been screwed by 3 decades of GOP and DNC decisions that have saddled them with tuition debt, no high paying/non-college jobs, 20 trillion $ national debt, the daily scare of GCC, and an obnoxious lie that they would benefit/should be so welcoming of millions of immigrants from the 3rd world. The jig is up, and the Trump Train has been getting their attention for a while now.
White boys, in particular, know nobody, nobody in any institution/govt cares about them. Checking that "white box" on every application since they were in grade school, is seen as doom. Millennials can not be conned by anyone, not SJW's, not Neocons, not Dems or Repubs to care about anything anymore - they don't even care about sex, which is kind of funny. So "what the hell do you have to lose?" makes sense to them. I agree with KellyAnne, that there are a lot of discrete Trump voters. After all the public remarks about all Republicans being Racists; all the public remarks of Hillary being a dangerous choice, no one is going to let anyone else know who they are really voting for. I predict all polls will be off, and people will need fainting couches for election night :)Replies: @Lurker, @Jefferson
Trump is mobilizing the blue collar and white middle class stay-at-home voters who will this year come out in record numbers, like they did during the primaries.Replies: @Jefferson
“Independents overwhelming lean Republican.”
Independents didn’t lean Republican in 2012 and 2008.
I almost wish Donald had embraced it anyway. Just give the electorate one last chance to either affirm the Historic American nation or chuck it. He's only got a 1 in 5 chance of winning now, and he's spending half of every speech pandering to the damn rampaging blacks and (and tremulous cucks), so if he loses doing all that, as is probable, it will be humiliation on top of defeat.Replies: @Jefferson, @Lagertha, @Desiderius
“Most White people don’t care about being White.”
And WASPs in The U.S are the worst in terms of lacking a tribal identity. The vast majority of them do not even exhibit English pride, let alone White pride.
The rare exception is Syonredux who is quite proud of his partial English ancestry. He holds up the English as the gold standard of ethnic groups.
Then how ’bout “return home volunarily”? People just love volunteerism.
Repatriation is another term that sounds a whole lot softer but says the same thing.
This.
I agree with that! But my sense is five years is too long. Dole out the $5000 over three years. With $1500 doled out three weeks after you arrive in Guatemala, Mexico, etc. and are verified. Each time you collect your payment your biometrics are verified.
Incentivizing Asian illegals to GTFO will be much more difficult. I can’t see Muslims going back to Pakistan, Bangladesh for $5000. Or Chinese going back to China. Filipino illegals are huge these days. They used to obey our immigration laws. No one fears “The Anglo” and his strict Anglo law his anymore. This used to keep Mexicans in Mexico. This is why operation wetback 1952 was fairly quick and easy to pull off.
The 1986 amnesty broke that fear of The Anglo, wiped it out!
Why do people put commas before “that” clauses?
Or perhaps homecoming deportation.
Bare bones nominee: self-repatriation.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Ozymandias
“To connote absence of coercion, while conveying that illegals act of their own free will, perhaps Mr. Trump should deploy the term volunteer deportation.”
Homeland Reunification.
“Repatriation” would likely focus group better.
“Deportation” is something Nazis do.
Independents didn't lean Republican in 2012 and 2008.Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber, @Jack Hanson, @EriK
Romney won the independent vote by five points in 2012.
LePage is an inarticulate hothead, but also a "noticer". He has noticed there is a heroin problem in his very white state, and he has noticed that most of the heroin traffickers are blacks and Hispanics from out of state. However, he doesn't seem to have any data/evidence to back this up. His opponents are mocking his statements, essentially saying, "No, nearly all the drug dealers in Maine are white, and only a racist pig would suggest otherwise."
Here's an article on the latest brouhaha. I quote:But given the overall demographics of crime, I do wonder if there is truth to LePage's poorly made claims. A quick google search shows month-old news about the biggest drug bust in Maine's history - a black man from out-of-state.
Perhaps the FBI's data are highly misleading? Perhaps most of those arrests were for petty distribution or maybe meth (relatively white drug), and blacks and Hispanics are more associated with heroin? Perhaps Maine police haven't been successful in making drug arrests yet? Perhaps "people in Maine" means Maine residents and so are not counting out-of-staters!?!
I don't want to personally defend LePage's bumbling, crude statements, but I very much don't want to see potential noticers to be scared into stop noticing.Replies: @Lot, @Langley, @Anonymous, @Lagertha, @Brutusale
It would be great if the Alt-Right had a group of highly competent people like Steve to provide sound, perceptive statistical support in such situations.
Maybe Mexico will pay for the wall in exchange for the US paying for a microchips to track guest workers, that way they still get remittances without overstaying.
Maybe this helps him in his communications with people who work for him, at all levels, to avoid any possible misunderstandings of what he expects from them, thus ensuring a greater likelihood of success in his business endeavors.
I always found it interesting that “W” played alpha to Tony Blair and beta to Vicente Fox. In the former case Blair was the eager-to-please lap dog, in the latter “W” was.
I examine the policies and ideas that candidates espouse to decide who to vote for. Sociopaths and narcissists are sort of a given, as far as being embedded in any society (public figures/leadership figures) since they are attracted to attention/having control over people and believe their ideas are the best. So, suggesting that someone is a narcissist/sociopath or both, is boring. Many politicians, pundits, news anchors, lawyers, CEO's, evil bosses, presidents of organizations, etc. fall into this category. Now, I believe that Bush & Blair never fit that category...they just weren't mean enough! That's why they were "epic fail."
Trump is definitely an alpha; and this is his appeal - the precarious times we live in, call for an alpha.
OT: I do not believe that the Muslim world's leaders will respect Hillary since she is female - I see this as an empirical fact. And, as far as Mexico/Latin America, ditto. All the Latin American female presidents have been a disaster/inept grifters. Thatcher was the only female modern leader who was respected (not counting female presidents of the Nordic Countries), even if not well liked by the vast Left.
LePage is an inarticulate hothead, but also a "noticer". He has noticed there is a heroin problem in his very white state, and he has noticed that most of the heroin traffickers are blacks and Hispanics from out of state. However, he doesn't seem to have any data/evidence to back this up. His opponents are mocking his statements, essentially saying, "No, nearly all the drug dealers in Maine are white, and only a racist pig would suggest otherwise."
Here's an article on the latest brouhaha. I quote:But given the overall demographics of crime, I do wonder if there is truth to LePage's poorly made claims. A quick google search shows month-old news about the biggest drug bust in Maine's history - a black man from out-of-state.
Perhaps the FBI's data are highly misleading? Perhaps most of those arrests were for petty distribution or maybe meth (relatively white drug), and blacks and Hispanics are more associated with heroin? Perhaps Maine police haven't been successful in making drug arrests yet? Perhaps "people in Maine" means Maine residents and so are not counting out-of-staters!?!
I don't want to personally defend LePage's bumbling, crude statements, but I very much don't want to see potential noticers to be scared into stop noticing.Replies: @Lot, @Langley, @Anonymous, @Lagertha, @Brutusale
All the heroin coming up to New England is from Mexico…duh, Afghanistan is too far away! And, the heroin is marketed to suburban and rural High School kids using similar methods organized crime rings have done for a century.
People in Maine should be alarmed that the heroin (forget meth; it’s mostly heroin) problem is growing, not abating. The despair and disillusion that teens feel in New England or the Rust Belt/Plains states, should be a national emergency.
I hear you about the despair of teens and young adults throughout much of the country. Several I know seem listless. What are they hearing is the great mission of life? Little more than to become popular on Instagram.Replies: @Lagertha
Can Donald Trump increase his share of the White vote from 50 percent to 70 percent in less than 3 months? I doubt he can perform miracles like that, he is no Moses from The Ten Commandments who parted the red sea.Replies: @Jack Hanson, @MarkinLA
You’re still pretty ass mad over the fact Cruz got reamed in the primary because he wanted to be President of Jesusland.
Man, let it go.
I had to laugh (ruefully) when at the end of his campaign speeches in 2008, McCain would get himself all wound up and shout, “We’re going to fight! Fight! Fight!”
I wondered, who has McCain ever fought besides conservatives of his own party? He fights off primary challengers with far more energy than he ever fought Obama.
Independents didn't lean Republican in 2012 and 2008.Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber, @Jack Hanson, @EriK
They did, they just didn’t go to vote for someone who was going to start WW3 or only went to the mat for tax cuts for his buddies.
My wife is Lithuanian, and her Lithuanian son and daughter and Lithuanian son-in-law have lived with me in my home in New Jersey. On various holidays, lots of Lithuanians gather in our home for parties. So, I know lots of Lithuanians living in the USA.
Lots of the Lithuanians whom I know were or still are here illegally. They came on tourist visas and stayed. They got into fictitious marriages. They got drivers licenses in states where they never lived. And so forth and so on.
Many of my Lithuanian friends have self-deported. They gave up. They didn’t want to keep living dishonestly and in fear of getting caught.
Most of them simply moved to the United Kingdom. A few even returned to Lithuania.
Well, there used to be some sort of decorum left in the world. But, now, all men and women in politics and media are quick to call anybody a psychopath, a racist, a bigot, narcissist, misogynist, Hitler/ the usual dead dictators, a danger-to-humanity….yawn.
I examine the policies and ideas that candidates espouse to decide who to vote for. Sociopaths and narcissists are sort of a given, as far as being embedded in any society (public figures/leadership figures) since they are attracted to attention/having control over people and believe their ideas are the best. So, suggesting that someone is a narcissist/sociopath or both, is boring. Many politicians, pundits, news anchors, lawyers, CEO’s, evil bosses, presidents of organizations, etc. fall into this category. Now, I believe that Bush & Blair never fit that category…they just weren’t mean enough! That’s why they were “epic fail.”
Trump is definitely an alpha; and this is his appeal – the precarious times we live in, call for an alpha.
OT: I do not believe that the Muslim world’s leaders will respect Hillary since she is female – I see this as an empirical fact. And, as far as Mexico/Latin America, ditto. All the Latin American female presidents have been a disaster/inept grifters. Thatcher was the only female modern leader who was respected (not counting female presidents of the Nordic Countries), even if not well liked by the vast Left.
Independents didn't lean Republican in 2012 and 2008.Replies: @eggheadshadhisnumber, @Jack Hanson, @EriK
Obama won independents in only one state in 2012 (NC). What do you call that?
The real challenge is that the media prevents such a platform from seeing the light of day by distorting the messenger delivering it. The most clear-cut, poster-child case of such distortion of the messenger is when it was widely reported that Trump had thrown a crying baby and his mother out of a rally. This was a blatant distortion, even more so than when they reported Trump was calling on Russia to hack American servers without giving us his punchline.
Yes we do. And many of these people are too busy with work and family to closely follow the news. So they get their news through newsfeeds on their phone apps, NPR on the radio or catching a glimpse of the network news.
Even my jaw dropped when my phone lit up with “Trump tosses baby and mother from rally.”
The problem is not the message, it is that the message will never be allowed to be presented in a fair and honest way. And the messenger will be attacked as well.
To me the most interesting aspect of this whole brouhaha is that Mexico’s president is actually meeting officially and publicly with Donald Trump. This suggests that the Mexican elites are finally taking seriously the possibility that Trump will be the next president of the USA. That they are doing so should send shivers of fear through the US political elites — stoopid party and dimocrat alike — for two reasons: (1) The Mexican elites have gotten pretty darned good at reading political trends in El Norte. This meeting is further evidence Trump is likely to win in November. (2) If he can carry it off and milk it for all it’s worth, this meeting will lend Trump a gravitas that he has heretofore lacked and one that actually trumps (no pun intended) that of the Hildabeast.
They asked me about Trump. Most had been to school in the US and had SJW training...
I simply said that our sovereignty is a valid issue, and that the US needs to have a better admissions policies, like Harvard has or McKinsey and JP Morgan have... this made sense to them.
I then asked if it wasn't true that immigration to the US is a way for Mexico to let off steam, to prevent overthrow or disruption of the status quo and the wealth disparity.
They responded that the only way for Mexico to grow in any real way is to have an aspirational middle class that buys consumer products and starts businesses. They said that Mexico was losing those aspirational types to the US and that immigration was not in fact letting off steam... but making it worse.
I said, "So you are going to pay for the wall then?"
They all laughed actually, and one guy said, "maybe we should."
But I really liked Mexico, I guess having rich friends will do that. But I did spend a week with the paisanos too and it reminded me of a GK Chesterton quote:The US was once a nation of contented yeomen...
I almost wish Donald had embraced it anyway. Just give the electorate one last chance to either affirm the Historic American nation or chuck it. He's only got a 1 in 5 chance of winning now, and he's spending half of every speech pandering to the damn rampaging blacks and (and tremulous cucks), so if he loses doing all that, as is probable, it will be humiliation on top of defeat.Replies: @Jefferson, @Lagertha, @Desiderius
I wouldn’t be so quick to write-off the power of the massive group of “echo-boomers.” The ones born in the 90’s are the most cynical youth in a generation. Many hate the left more than the right. And, they really hate “political correctness.” U of C seemed to realize this; of course, wealthy alumni are disgusted by the current, bratty students protesting all kinds of stuff, and being rude, violent, and wasting valuable time of other students (see Dartmouth library assault), so they are writing-off the elite u’s from their wills.
Millennials know they’ve been screwed by 3 decades of GOP and DNC decisions that have saddled them with tuition debt, no high paying/non-college jobs, 20 trillion $ national debt, the daily scare of GCC, and an obnoxious lie that they would benefit/should be so welcoming of millions of immigrants from the 3rd world. The jig is up, and the Trump Train has been getting their attention for a while now.
White boys, in particular, know nobody, nobody in any institution/govt cares about them. Checking that “white box” on every application since they were in grade school, is seen as doom. Millennials can not be conned by anyone, not SJW’s, not Neocons, not Dems or Repubs to care about anything anymore – they don’t even care about sex, which is kind of funny. So “what the hell do you have to lose?” makes sense to them. I agree with KellyAnne, that there are a lot of discrete Trump voters. After all the public remarks about all Republicans being Racists; all the public remarks of Hillary being a dangerous choice, no one is going to let anyone else know who they are really voting for. I predict all polls will be off, and people will need fainting couches for election night 🙂
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-theconservativechannel/youtube_election/
People born in the 90s hate the Left and political correctness? HAHAHAHAHA. Yeah most kids today are so much less politically correct than their parents and grandparents. Most kids today speak like Walt Kowalski from Gran Torino.
"Millennials know they’ve been screwed by 3 decades of GOP and DNC decisions"
Yet Millennials will still continue to cast the majority of their vote to the DNC. Millennials are part of the coalition of the Democratic fringes. You don't see that many young looking people at Donald Trump rallies. You see way more people who look like Jackie Mason than those who look like Justin Bieber.Replies: @Lagertha
when people in my company fall for these deceptions, I always tell them it’s b.s. It does make for some interesting conversations. Also, good thing young people get all the info on the net, and they have a particular reason to vote this year since we have reached a precipice as far as continuing to function as a civil society if we are being force-fed this epic disaster of open borders. It all comes down to money and sex, mostly money now.
Why the hell did my comment about Rush Limbaugh not get passed? This is really getting ridiculous, Steve.
Ted Cruz has an A from NumbersUSA, a Conservative website that is anti-invite the world.
There is a reason why the Establishment hate Ted Cruz even more than they hate Donald Trump.
Even pro-open borders Bob Dole said Donald Trump is the lesser of 2 evils compared to Ted Cruz. Bob thinks Ted is too Far Right Wing and not moderate enough.Replies: @Maj. Kong, @ChrisD, @Anonymous
It’s because they’re bigoted against orange rugs and people who like to sit in the corner, watching.
Uncharitably, that makes me think that people who can’t figure out the difference should probably not be used for focus groups and certainly barred from voting.
Monstrous and Mindless will be the bookends to the GOP run.
Millennials know they've been screwed by 3 decades of GOP and DNC decisions that have saddled them with tuition debt, no high paying/non-college jobs, 20 trillion $ national debt, the daily scare of GCC, and an obnoxious lie that they would benefit/should be so welcoming of millions of immigrants from the 3rd world. The jig is up, and the Trump Train has been getting their attention for a while now.
White boys, in particular, know nobody, nobody in any institution/govt cares about them. Checking that "white box" on every application since they were in grade school, is seen as doom. Millennials can not be conned by anyone, not SJW's, not Neocons, not Dems or Repubs to care about anything anymore - they don't even care about sex, which is kind of funny. So "what the hell do you have to lose?" makes sense to them. I agree with KellyAnne, that there are a lot of discrete Trump voters. After all the public remarks about all Republicans being Racists; all the public remarks of Hillary being a dangerous choice, no one is going to let anyone else know who they are really voting for. I predict all polls will be off, and people will need fainting couches for election night :)Replies: @Lurker, @Jefferson
I’m pretty sure the polls are phony.
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/channel-theconservativechannel/youtube_election/
Mexicans are such ruthless discriminators against their own people (not to mention Americans!) that any honest comparison of our laws would make us seem openhearted chumps in comparison.
Read Allan Wall's archives (vdare.com) on the subject.Replies: @Bill
A slightly more polite version of that would be a pretty good idea.
“I came to Mexico today to learn from Mexicans and from President Nieto how best to deal with the United States’ immigration crisis. As many of you know, Mexico has a comprehensive, carefully crafted policy stance on immigration designed to maximize immigration’s benefits for Mexicans. Mexico’s policies are designed to select a limited number of immigrants, spread those immigrants widely throughout Mexico, and promote their assimilation into Mexican culture. This limited number of immigrants is selected to supply the skills, talents, and abilities useful in producing wealth for all Mexicans. Mexico vigorously enforces its immigration laws, deporting hundreds of thousands of undesirable immigrants each year, mostly those entering illegally over its southern border. Mexican police, at all levels, are required to enforce Mexico’s immigration laws, and Mexican businesses are responsible for ensuring that they employ and do business with only people who are in the country legally . . . Over the course of my presidency, I will encourage Congress, ICE, and the Border Patrol carefully to study the strict but humane immigration policies of Mexico in the hope that we can learn from the excellent example of our neighbors to the south. We Americans look forward to the cooperation, inspired by a spirit of true friendship, of President Nieto and all Mexicans as the United States strives to bring its immigration laws and practices up to the standards of our North American neighbors.”
I almost wish Donald had embraced it anyway. Just give the electorate one last chance to either affirm the Historic American nation or chuck it. He's only got a 1 in 5 chance of winning now, and he's spending half of every speech pandering to the damn rampaging blacks and (and tremulous cucks), so if he loses doing all that, as is probable, it will be humiliation on top of defeat.Replies: @Jefferson, @Lagertha, @Desiderius
No, they care. Just look at who they live with, where they send their kids to school, etc…
They just want to make sure they’re not just white. They’re white with the special anti-parochial special sauce that makes them uniquely suited (in their own minds) to rule the world, or at least to run the branch office in Bangalore for long enough to make the resume look good.
They’re white like Jesus was a Jew.
Right. Plus the press will have to cover it.
He does avoid any kind of cleverness. But that doesn’t keep him from confusing people.
So what can you ask for from Trump in return? What can Trump offer? Help building a wall on the Guatemalan border? Help in rounding up drug gangs? A mega real estate deal where Trump negotiates the right to develop the Baja coast for U.S. retirees? Or maybe even buying the whole peninsula from Mexico?Replies: @NOTA, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
Any large return of illegal immigrants to Mexico (El Salvador, Guatemala, etc.) probably has to be accompanied by a large aid package. If the returnees trigger a collapse of the Salvadoran government and economy (due to the loss of remittances and safety valve), we’ll get an increase in immigrants trying to get back into the US, and chaos on our borders. (All three of those countries are already pretty chaotic.)
Lots of the Lithuanians whom I know were or still are here illegally. They came on tourist visas and stayed. They got into fictitious marriages. They got drivers licenses in states where they never lived. And so forth and so on.
Many of my Lithuanian friends have self-deported. They gave up. They didn't want to keep living dishonestly and in fear of getting caught.
Most of them simply moved to the United Kingdom. A few even returned to Lithuania.Replies: @Mike Sylwester
They would have stayed if they thought an amnesty would happen soon.
They gave up because amnesty-schemes like the Comprehensive Immigration Act of 2007 and the Gang of Eight bill failed.
Lets say 20 million illegals decide to take the money and run....... This is 100 billion we fork out. Worth it in my book.
A real effective Trump wall-- 20 billion dollars
A real effective visa entry/exit tracking system with visa holder tracking while in the USA --- 20 billionReplies: @Dave Pinsen, @Nico
Worth it for whom? That sounds like a good incentive for even more people to come to the U.S. illegally.
We need to embark on a year-long Reign of Terror against those who break our immigration laws and crack down even harder on those who aid and abet them. I’m talking arrests, deportations, prison sentences, large-scale confiscations of property and a limited number of partial amnesties (mostly reserved to citizen facilitators and not illegal aliens themselves) for those who turn coat like we did with the mafia. Committing or facilitating illegal immigration into the U.S. needs to be made a thoroughly unattractive enterprise and must remain so indefinitely. That, more than any physical barrier, will keep them out.
People in Maine should be alarmed that the heroin (forget meth; it's mostly heroin) problem is growing, not abating. The despair and disillusion that teens feel in New England or the Rust Belt/Plains states, should be a national emergency.Replies: @Anonymous, @BayAreaBill
Can you tell us more about the despair of the teens? Do you mean lower income teens, or is the despair felt by a larger group?
Can Donald Trump increase his share of the White vote from 50 percent to 70 percent in less than 3 months? I doubt he can perform miracles like that, he is no Moses from The Ten Commandments who parted the red sea.Replies: @Jack Hanson, @MarkinLA
What do you think Cruz would have done? Do you really think he would have made a dent by “out debating her”. Cruz cucked when he should have denounced Michele Fields and her eunuch Benji. He cucked again when he blamed Trump for the violent rent-a-mob at his rallys. His final cucking was him telling GOPe that if they gave him the nomination he would be their boy.
Nothing a Gatling gun can’t handle.
Millennials know they've been screwed by 3 decades of GOP and DNC decisions that have saddled them with tuition debt, no high paying/non-college jobs, 20 trillion $ national debt, the daily scare of GCC, and an obnoxious lie that they would benefit/should be so welcoming of millions of immigrants from the 3rd world. The jig is up, and the Trump Train has been getting their attention for a while now.
White boys, in particular, know nobody, nobody in any institution/govt cares about them. Checking that "white box" on every application since they were in grade school, is seen as doom. Millennials can not be conned by anyone, not SJW's, not Neocons, not Dems or Repubs to care about anything anymore - they don't even care about sex, which is kind of funny. So "what the hell do you have to lose?" makes sense to them. I agree with KellyAnne, that there are a lot of discrete Trump voters. After all the public remarks about all Republicans being Racists; all the public remarks of Hillary being a dangerous choice, no one is going to let anyone else know who they are really voting for. I predict all polls will be off, and people will need fainting couches for election night :)Replies: @Lurker, @Jefferson
“I wouldn’t be so quick to write-off the power of the massive group of “echo-boomers.” The ones born in the 90′s are the most cynical youth in a generation. Many hate the left more than the right. And, they really hate “political correctness.”
People born in the 90s hate the Left and political correctness? HAHAHAHAHA. Yeah most kids today are so much less politically correct than their parents and grandparents. Most kids today speak like Walt Kowalski from Gran Torino.
“Millennials know they’ve been screwed by 3 decades of GOP and DNC decisions”
Yet Millennials will still continue to cast the majority of their vote to the DNC. Millennials are part of the coalition of the Democratic fringes. You don’t see that many young looking people at Donald Trump rallies. You see way more people who look like Jackie Mason than those who look like Justin Bieber.
I think I commented about this before on iSteve, but I was at a wedding in Mexico last year, and basically everyone was a part of the wealthy elite who are 100% of European descent.
They asked me about Trump. Most had been to school in the US and had SJW training…
I simply said that our sovereignty is a valid issue, and that the US needs to have a better admissions policies, like Harvard has or McKinsey and JP Morgan have… this made sense to them.
I then asked if it wasn’t true that immigration to the US is a way for Mexico to let off steam, to prevent overthrow or disruption of the status quo and the wealth disparity.
They responded that the only way for Mexico to grow in any real way is to have an aspirational middle class that buys consumer products and starts businesses. They said that Mexico was losing those aspirational types to the US and that immigration was not in fact letting off steam… but making it worse.
I said, “So you are going to pay for the wall then?”
They all laughed actually, and one guy said, “maybe we should.”
But I really liked Mexico, I guess having rich friends will do that. But I did spend a week with the paisanos too and it reminded me of a GK Chesterton quote:
The US was once a nation of contented yeomen…
6 Reasons Why This Lateeeno Pan Blanco El Presidente Will Be Trump’s BFF:
The conclusion: President Trump will have a very,very,very tremendous relationship with a President Nieto. I only wish the rest of us would be able to claim the same.
Why?
Because this melanin deficient Mexican Patriot is also not a true Scotsman, and, just like his New York based wannabee-counterpart, has been successfully planted by the Russians.
And where is Sam Hayson , when you need him?
People in Maine should be alarmed that the heroin (forget meth; it's mostly heroin) problem is growing, not abating. The despair and disillusion that teens feel in New England or the Rust Belt/Plains states, should be a national emergency.Replies: @Anonymous, @BayAreaBill
Sure, ultimately, all the heroin is foreign sourced. But that’s clearly not what LePage meant. He made it a point to say that black and Hispanic dealers were the ones actually bringing the heroin into Maine.
I hear you about the despair of teens and young adults throughout much of the country. Several I know seem listless. What are they hearing is the great mission of life? Little more than to become popular on Instagram.
And? This is what the local police in the town & surrounding towns I live in, tell us parents.
Facts are facts. Usually, the main dealer (out of state) finds some shaky foot soldiers to do the actual sales to individual "townies"...and there are plenty of lost kids to prey on. It is exactly like organized crime.
I mean, our town wants everyone to be on the look-out for out-of-state vehicles, vehicles that we don't know, shady people with dogs (all dealers have dogs/pit-bulls usually), cars with tinted windows/heavy tinted...they want all of us soccer moms to rat these cars out when they make the rounds to parks, recreation areas, soccer fields, playgrounds, skate parks, lake beaches, etc. Some of the brazen ones come to school parking lots after school hours!
Isn’t it fairly obvious that a considerable percentage of the people who vote simply lack the competence to make informed, intelligent decisions? Perhaps even a majority. I have long maintained that one should have to pass a basic “civics literacy” type of test before being allowed to vote.
People born in the 90s hate the Left and political correctness? HAHAHAHAHA. Yeah most kids today are so much less politically correct than their parents and grandparents. Most kids today speak like Walt Kowalski from Gran Torino.
"Millennials know they’ve been screwed by 3 decades of GOP and DNC decisions"
Yet Millennials will still continue to cast the majority of their vote to the DNC. Millennials are part of the coalition of the Democratic fringes. You don't see that many young looking people at Donald Trump rallies. You see way more people who look like Jackie Mason than those who look like Justin Bieber.Replies: @Lagertha
I disagree with you, but that’s fine…we can wait for the results in November. Now, you did lose me with Bieber 🙂 – he is so not cool. I am also around tons of Millennials, tons…so I have my reasons to have different thoughts from you. And, we can agree on one thing: all young people are really lazy at turning up at the polls.
What I said is 100 percent fact. A Donald Trump rally looks more like The Villages in Florida than a college campus rally. Most Donald Trump supporters were old enough to have clubbed at Studio 54.
I hear you about the despair of teens and young adults throughout much of the country. Several I know seem listless. What are they hearing is the great mission of life? Little more than to become popular on Instagram.Replies: @Lagertha
He made it a point to say that black and Hispanic dealers were the ones actually bringing the heroin into Maine.
And? This is what the local police in the town & surrounding towns I live in, tell us parents.
Facts are facts. Usually, the main dealer (out of state) finds some shaky foot soldiers to do the actual sales to individual “townies”…and there are plenty of lost kids to prey on. It is exactly like organized crime.
I mean, our town wants everyone to be on the look-out for out-of-state vehicles, vehicles that we don’t know, shady people with dogs (all dealers have dogs/pit-bulls usually), cars with tinted windows/heavy tinted…they want all of us soccer moms to rat these cars out when they make the rounds to parks, recreation areas, soccer fields, playgrounds, skate parks, lake beaches, etc. Some of the brazen ones come to school parking lots after school hours!
It’s everybody: m/f/rich and poor…mostly white…but I see this in the Native American population, too. Does not matter if the parents are wealthy and educated. Each of our towns has had heroin deaths, and suicides – youth suicides are on the rise. Often, with little explanation or time to intervene by parents, schools, friends, even police.
I know the reasons – they’re kind of obvious if you have teens/YAs today, but won’t get into that with complete strangers. What I will say: it’s a lot of work/conversation & time to launch your child into the future and leap-frog over this new morass they feel they are facing.
What bugs me more: why are you so clueless? How do you not see why this is happening? And, pleez, it’s not pain medication for a torn ligament from soccer or something that is some sort of “gateway” drug to heroin.
Life is not good – that’s the new, preferred slogan of so many Millennials. By the way, for a clue: Millennials always knew all those trophies they received for “participation,” were bogus/total bs. They have loathed being ‘played’ by supercilious adults. They believe in meritocracy/uniqueness/individuality and won’t abide by this march to conformism anymore. Bless their pure hearts!
time is money.
That’s an awkward construction, ne-c’est pas?
So what can you ask for from Trump in return? What can Trump offer? Help building a wall on the Guatemalan border? Help in rounding up drug gangs? A mega real estate deal where Trump negotiates the right to develop the Baja coast for U.S. retirees? Or maybe even buying the whole peninsula from Mexico?Replies: @NOTA, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
If the “wall,” aka beefed up border security, keeps Mexican drugs out of America and American drug money and guns out of Mexico and helps put an end to the narcoterror it would be the best thing that could happen for Mexico.
Business and prosperity can hardly flourish in a climate of fear & terror.
I’m not a reflexive Trump basher, but I have my doubts about his skill at management or making deals. I’m always hopeful though… Perhaps he can help frame the wall as a win-win for America and Mexican neighborly relations. If need be give Mexico a some real concession for a fig leaf so they can sell as a victory at home and perhaps earn some good will and buy in.
I sincerely don’t believe that Trump is racist or anti-Mexican. Nevertheless I’m often quite disappointed about some of the unnecessarily harsh rhetoric or bad faith that identifies with Trump’s unusual tough notions about following the rule of law and enforcing border rules. Too often I’ll read or hear Trump supporters expressing a little too much schadenfreude or glee about making Mexico pay or suffer. It’s really unnecessary. Do we wish ill-fortune upon our neighbor’s homes? Can’t we be happy if their families prosper in good health at the same time as our families do? I really do wish Mexico the best. For better or for worse, most of their fate is in their own hands. Sure we’ll probably never have Finland on our southern border. But Yankees don’t exact view Alabama & Louisiana as their equals either. Nobody could imagine the Cold War ending either like it eventually did. Perhaps we can look forward to a future Mexico that may never be as boring and prosperous as Minnesota, but maybe this difficult chapter of our shared history will be past and the two nations can be comfortable as confident more equal peers.
LePage is an inarticulate hothead, but also a "noticer". He has noticed there is a heroin problem in his very white state, and he has noticed that most of the heroin traffickers are blacks and Hispanics from out of state. However, he doesn't seem to have any data/evidence to back this up. His opponents are mocking his statements, essentially saying, "No, nearly all the drug dealers in Maine are white, and only a racist pig would suggest otherwise."
Here's an article on the latest brouhaha. I quote:But given the overall demographics of crime, I do wonder if there is truth to LePage's poorly made claims. A quick google search shows month-old news about the biggest drug bust in Maine's history - a black man from out-of-state.
Perhaps the FBI's data are highly misleading? Perhaps most of those arrests were for petty distribution or maybe meth (relatively white drug), and blacks and Hispanics are more associated with heroin? Perhaps Maine police haven't been successful in making drug arrests yet? Perhaps "people in Maine" means Maine residents and so are not counting out-of-staters!?!
I don't want to personally defend LePage's bumbling, crude statements, but I very much don't want to see potential noticers to be scared into stop noticing.Replies: @Lot, @Langley, @Anonymous, @Lagertha, @Brutusale
LePage has committed the capital crime of Noticing Things.
He may be a tad blunt, but he’s not wrong. I live in MA and see the process. There’s not a week that goes by that you don’t read about a carload of cholos with New York or Connecticut plates getting stopped by police on Route 91 or the Mass Turnpike and what have we here, vato, a trunk full of dope. LePage mentioned our lovely, vibrant cities of Lawrence (73% Hispanic) and Lowell (21% Hispanic) as the jump-off point for the trip north, and he’s absolutely correct.
He’s the suspect in the largest heroin bust in Maine’s history, just this summer:
http://www.wmtw.com/news/suspect-in-maines-largest-heroin-bust-due-in-court/40362126
Mainers are already quite busy not noticing the various and sundry “refugee” enablers turning their state into Bantuistan. Maybe the heroin will help ease the pain.
As with all drug arrests, the “intent to sell” bit has nothing to do with intent, but the weight you have on you. And it includes meth production, a fairly common cottage industry in Maine.
When a politician says something that sparks such a reaction, he’s usually totally wrong or totally right. In this case, it’s the latter.
“I disagree with you”
What I said is 100 percent fact. A Donald Trump rally looks more like The Villages in Florida than a college campus rally. Most Donald Trump supporters were old enough to have clubbed at Studio 54.