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  1. Australian immigration defence may be starting to fall apart.

    Christmas Island riot was inevitable given the influx of criminals joining the general asylum seeker population at the detention centre.

    Christmas Island riot was inevitable, former Immigration staffer Steve Brooker says

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-10/former-immigration-insider-says-christmas-island-riot-inevitable/6929388

    • Replies: @sb
    Taking your news from the ABC ( Australian broadcasting Commission -the Aussie equivalent of the BBC ) means getting the view of the Left
  2. It was a Wall Street Journal sponsored debate too. They may not have wanted to promote their position on immigration with the Republican base voters.

  3. Immigration got nixed by Fox but trade is there in small fonts. Racism and Halloween costumes are omitted.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    "Immigration got nixed by Fox but trade is there in small fonts. Racism and Halloween costumes are omitted."

    Just as there were no questions at the previous debate about the mass "Syrian refugee" invasion of Europe, which started long before the debate was held on CNBC on October 28, 2015. I bet Trump would have scored big at that debate if such a question had been asked. Probably explains why such a hot news item was left off the agenda.
  4. It reminds me of the questionnaires I used to get from the RNC along with their requests for donations. They’d ask me to indicate which on a list of issues were the most important to me, but the list would never include the issues I consider most important–immigration, racial preferences, etc. Those issues were beyond the pale.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Several of the candidates gave shoutouts to Israel.
    , @MarkinLA
    I still get them but now they come without the prepaid postage envelopes. Too many people attaching them to bricks or sending them messages on where to stick it.
  5. • Replies: @Dew
    I noticed that too. Shouldn't the pictures be more representative of the U.S. military veteran population? Why oh why are the minority veterans taking up more than half the picture on Google? They aren't even trying to be subtle.

    Why is the Latino looking guy the center of the picture? Allure to amnesty and immigration?
    , @Jefferson
    "Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    I remember seeing a billboard that promoted racial and gender diversity in the San Francisco police department. It showed a Black woman, a Mestizo man, an East Asian man, and a manly butch dyke looking White woman. But no White man.

    I wonder why they choose a manly White butch dyke over a Feminine girly looking Heterosexual White woman. Maybe Hetero Cisgender White women are no longer considered Vibrantly DIEverse enough for Social Justice Warriors.

    , @anon
    At this point, don't you have to imagine that they did this just SO they could get responses from people like us, so they could spend the rest of the day on twitter denouncing us and saying "Wow. Just wow. It's 2015!"? I mean, what else would they do on Veteran's Day that could be more important than that?

    I love the black guy slightly to the left of center, though. He looks... dazed or something. Everybody else is looking over the shoulder of where the "camera" is, but he looks like he got distracted by something off to the side.

    Then there's that one white guy, sort of in the back, who's like "Hey! Over here! We're still around, you know!".

    , @AndrewR
    There are two. But it's true that the vast majority of IRL veterans are male and the vast majority hwyte.
    , @Anonymous
    The bias is blatant in today's google doodle. There are one or two of every group, except the white male, who is still and always has been the stalwart of the US military. Disgusting slight. This is Veteran's Day, not Subgroup Veteran's Day.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:"

    There's that one white guy in the back, waving, as if to say "Hey, don't forget me".

    White men need to realize this: this is the country you're serving - a country that despises you.
  6. Illegal immigration was a significant topic, but not immigration itself.

    Trump proposes that all the illegals be kicked out, but he “hopes” they all get back in! Some opponent of mass migration!

    It would make more sense to seal the border and then confer full citizenship on those who have arrived – and have done with it. The problem with the threat of deportation is that it helps further drive down wages.

    And the American people, themselves very ambivalent about the cheap labor provided (depending largely on their own class position), have to partly blame their own inaction for illegal immigrants being allowed to remain long enough to integrate themselves into the economy. (In law it’s called maintaining an attractive nuisance. The alternative to amnesty may be reparations.)

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Trump cited Operation Wetback.
    , @Rob McX

    It would make more sense to seal the border and then confer full citizenship on those who have arrived – and have done with it.
     
    It would make even more sense to seal the border and leave them there as illegals. If you're just going to let them apply for legal status after they've been caught, this makes things worse in the long run, because once they've got permanent residence they'll bring in more of their family members, and have more children. The debate has to cut to the question of what kind of country you want, and whether whites have a right to keep it for their own kind or see themselves replaced. People argue that legal immigrants are better because they won't drive down wages so much, but if you have enough of them (and the family members they brought in) it's going to add up to much the same thing.
    , @WhatEvvs

    And the American people, themselves very ambivalent about the cheap labor provided (depending largely on their own class position), have to partly blame their own inaction for illegal immigrants being allowed to remain long enough to integrate themselves into the economy. (In law it’s called maintaining an attractive nuisance. The alternative to amnesty may be reparations

     

    I think this is it, on the nose. We really only have ourselves to blame for this. Illegals are now so integrated into the economy they cannot be disentangled without causing chaos.
    , @MarkinLA
    It would make more sense to seal the border and then confer full citizenship on those who have arrived – and have done with it.

    Yeah because we know once we declare the border "sealed" no more illegals will try to sneak in.

    have to partly blame their own inaction for illegal immigrants being allowed to remain long enough to integrate themselves into the economy.

    BS. The vast majority of Americans have always wanted them out. Government is cow-towing to business who wants cheap labor and there is nothing the average guy can do if the government refuses to enforce the law or maybe you never heard of Ranch Rescue and the Minutemen.
  7. My review:

    Kasich did very poorly, especially when talking about banking. He even got booed. He seems to be positioning himself as the “moderate” candidate, but he’s not doing well.

    Rubio, Fiorina, and Cruz did well. Rubio seems like he’s now the establishment frontrunner, as he speaks well and knows how to articulate the basic conservative talking points (repeal Obamamcare, strong military, family values, etc). Rubio even was able to defend the child tax credit and come across as pro-family, while seeming anti-spending. Cruz hits the talking points well too. Fiorina seems tough and is articulate, but isn’t likeable enough.

    Carson and Trump were okay. Carson was able to hold his own and evade the controversies that have been dogging him lately. Trump was tough on illegal immigration and called for building the wall on the border. Trump also cited Operation Wetback (from the Eisenhower era) and talked about the Israeli border fence. Trump had good points on trade and the TPP too. Bush and Kasich were against Trump’s immigration proposals, but neither man did well.

    Jeb Bush was forgettable.

    Rand Paul made very substantive points on foreign policy and military spending, but I think he’s out of sync with the party.

    I was disappointed that the candidates don’t want to raise the minimum wage. I was also disappointed that the candidates are against regulating Wall Street. Rubio was smooth in positioning himself as anti-regulation and still positioning himself as anti-Wall Street.

    A lot of the foreign policy talk was absolutely insane, especially from Carly Fiorina. Trump and Rand Paul were the only sane candidates in the room.

    I don’t think much changed from this debate, except that Rubio (and maybe Cruz) will continue to surge at Bush’s expense.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    The GOP can count on many votes by advocating a rabidly belligerent foreign policy and "defending Israel."

    Unfortunately, most of the people who dislike that rhetoric would never vote for a GOP candidate anyway, so the neocons reasonably calculate that it's in their best interest to puff their chests and advocate a bellicose foreign policy that bankrupts our nation and allows a cynical tribe in control of a precariously-positioned ethnostate to cuck us.

    Libertarians and anti-war liberals have become SJW-ified and paleocons have been branded as WAYCISSS. Even Trump has been forced to genuflect to the gods of PC.

    , @PhysicistDave
    JohnnyWalker123, I generally agree with your debate synopsis. A few additional points:

    Carson had a more coherent and cogent response on the minimum wage than Trump. This should be Trump's strength, but he almost seemed asleep tonight. Still tired from SNL on Saturday?

    I thought Rand had the strongest points judged purely on intellectual merit -- especially on the utter insanity of declaring a "no-fly zone" in an area where Russia now has military planes in the air! Also, Trump did wake up in talking about the craziness of going into Syria.

    In terms of presentation, Cruz seemed strongest, followed by Fiorina. I actually found Cruz's closing comment moving (and I'm pretty cynical).

    Jeb! actually said something intelligent on the technical merits of natural gas. Aside from that, I hope he enjoyed his nap.

    Kasich struck me and the females in the house as more than slightly scary: I've seen him in many one-on-one interviews over the years, and he is not really like this. I guess he just cannot handle the debate format.

    There was a feature article on Rand recently the title of which was something like "He Wants to Be Your President, But Not Your Pal." Alas, the country wants a pal.

    So, I think it will narrow down over the next four months to Trump, Rubio, and Cruz. Let's hope, for the sake of the country and the GOP, that it is not Rubio who gets the nomination.

    Dave
  8. Trump is winning post-debate polls. Cruz and Paul are doing well too. Trump and Cruz have a lot of conservative support and usually do well in polls. Paul was more on the attack tonight, so maybe his supporters are rallying to it.

    http://drudgereport.com/now2.htm

    http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/11/poll_who_won_tuesdays_republican_2016_presidential_debate.html

    http://www.breitbart.com/primary/#

    http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/11/10/poll-who-won-the-4th-gop-debate/

  9. @Harry Baldwin
    It reminds me of the questionnaires I used to get from the RNC along with their requests for donations. They'd ask me to indicate which on a list of issues were the most important to me, but the list would never include the issues I consider most important--immigration, racial preferences, etc. Those issues were beyond the pale.

    Several of the candidates gave shoutouts to Israel.

  10. @Stephen R. Diamond
    Illegal immigration was a significant topic, but not immigration itself.

    Trump proposes that all the illegals be kicked out, but he "hopes" they all get back in! Some opponent of mass migration!

    It would make more sense to seal the border and then confer full citizenship on those who have arrived - and have done with it. The problem with the threat of deportation is that it helps further drive down wages.

    And the American people, themselves very ambivalent about the cheap labor provided (depending largely on their own class position), have to partly blame their own inaction for illegal immigrants being allowed to remain long enough to integrate themselves into the economy. (In law it's called maintaining an attractive nuisance. The alternative to amnesty may be reparations.)

    Trump cited Operation Wetback.

  11. @Percy Gryce
    Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Veterans+Day&oi=ddle&ct=veterans-day-2015-5639245909721088-hp&hl=en#ddle=1&oi=ddle

    I noticed that too. Shouldn’t the pictures be more representative of the U.S. military veteran population? Why oh why are the minority veterans taking up more than half the picture on Google? They aren’t even trying to be subtle.

    Why is the Latino looking guy the center of the picture? Allure to amnesty and immigration?

    • Replies: @Bleuteaux
    You sure he's Latino and not Indian? I'm sure Google has to pander to the 75% of their workforce that is H1-B and L-1 by reminding us of the vast contributions of Indians to American military heritage.
  12. Marco Rubio knows how to talk to Republicans.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Marco Rubio knows how to talk to Republicans."

    Whenever seeing Marco Rubio speak, it helps to imagine the strings attached to him leading up to Paul Singer's (and other's) hands.
  13. Rubio sounds like he’s on speed and has 30 index cards memorized for his answers.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Anonymous said:

    Rubio sounds like he’s on speed and has 30 index cards memorized for his answers.
     
    He strikes me as boyishly effeminate, sweet though not very bright.

    I would think Hillary could easily show herself to be more of a man than Marco.

    However, the females in our household seem to find him more appealing than I do.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento
  14. @George
    Australian immigration defence may be starting to fall apart.

    Christmas Island riot was inevitable given the influx of criminals joining the general asylum seeker population at the detention centre.

    Christmas Island riot was inevitable, former Immigration staffer Steve Brooker says

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-10/former-immigration-insider-says-christmas-island-riot-inevitable/6929388

    Taking your news from the ABC ( Australian broadcasting Commission -the Aussie equivalent of the BBC ) means getting the view of the Left

  15. @Percy Gryce
    Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Veterans+Day&oi=ddle&ct=veterans-day-2015-5639245909721088-hp&hl=en#ddle=1&oi=ddle

    “Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    I remember seeing a billboard that promoted racial and gender diversity in the San Francisco police department. It showed a Black woman, a Mestizo man, an East Asian man, and a manly butch dyke looking White woman. But no White man.

    I wonder why they choose a manly White butch dyke over a Feminine girly looking Heterosexual White woman. Maybe Hetero Cisgender White women are no longer considered Vibrantly DIEverse enough for Social Justice Warriors.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    I think there's a deliberate attempt to feminize white males and masculinize hostile groups (minorities, white women, immigrants).
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    The explanation is simple: it's San Francisco.
    , @Abe
    Hey, Jefferson, we missed you!

    “Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:
     
    I'm waiting for the 2016 doodle which will have a veteran in a turban- who's really Sikh you ignorant inbred rube! In 2017 the veteran in the turban will really be a Muslim and kinda look like Nidal Hassan- so deal with it you ignorant inbred rube!
  16. immigration, of course! This was a very, very, very boring debate. Even a stand-in for Captain Picard did not make me want to spend my entire evening listening to these cloying candidates. Like I said earlier, my beloved Irish Wolfhound needs my attention at this twilight moment in both of our lives.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Lagertha,

    I'm sorry to hear bout your sweet dog. Take good care of him or her.
  17. @Jefferson
    "Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    I remember seeing a billboard that promoted racial and gender diversity in the San Francisco police department. It showed a Black woman, a Mestizo man, an East Asian man, and a manly butch dyke looking White woman. But no White man.

    I wonder why they choose a manly White butch dyke over a Feminine girly looking Heterosexual White woman. Maybe Hetero Cisgender White women are no longer considered Vibrantly DIEverse enough for Social Justice Warriors.

    I think there’s a deliberate attempt to feminize white males and masculinize hostile groups (minorities, white women, immigrants).

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I think there’s a deliberate attempt to feminize white males and masculinize hostile groups (minorities, white women, immigrants)."

    Although the Left has failed at feminizing former Cisgender White male turned World War T Caitlyn Jenner, because "she" still has a deeper manlier sounding voice than Bruno Mars and Chris Rock for example. I go to Hooters all of the time and I have never heard a Female waitress at Hooters who sounds like Caitlyn Jenner, LOL.
  18. Homeland security is directly tied to immigration. 9/11 and the Boston bombing happened because America has down syndrome immigration laws. Notice that Japan has never experienced their own version of 9/11 and Boston bombing because they right fully have racist immigration laws. It is hard for Ahmed to blow up Japanese people in the name of Allah when the Japanese government won’t even let Ahmed immigrate to Japan.

    Allah’s followers will NEVER gain a strong foot hold in Japan like they have in France and Great Britain.

  19. The missing word is ISteve. Or as says my immediate right: missery haven, promo because I say so, next level hate hurts, fox words, and human biodiversity teasers. If that does not befog you with joy you must have a drink, because forcing things breaks them, and it is all so fun to watch.

    Is America a land of God where saints abide for ever? Where golden fields spread fair and broad, where flows the crystal river? Certainly not flush with saints, and a good thing, too, for the saints sent buzzing into man’s ken now are but poor-mouthed ecclesiastical film stars and clich-shouting publicity agents. Their little knowledge bringing them nearer to their ignorance, ignorance bringing them nearer to death, but nearness to death no nearer to God.

    Sean O’Casey

  20. OT, but man, I can’t wait to see the entry about Google’s Veteran’s Day doodle tomorrow.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    LOL. I went & looked - it's blacksHispanicswomen all the way. One old white WWII vet on the left, looking as if he's about to die.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Hilariously unrepresentative of reality but it is images like this that buried deep in the unconscious form the "knowledge" and "reality" base of those profoundly ignorant of history and the US military, i.e., most Americans.

    The sorry and often disgraceful performance of Negro troops in WW II, Korea, and Vietnam is carefully papered over with feel good stories of exceptional performance by unrepresentative units and individuals.

    Mentioning the vast over-representation in today's military - and particularly today's combat troops. the "tip of the spear" - of white males drawn from those very parts of society Obama and his ilk most loathe is a hate crime.

    Kiss-butt, political opportunist, career military, officer flacks work over time to cover up the disastrously negative impacts on unit morale and effectiveness created by active recruitment of female and homosexual troops; officers who care about the military and the men serving under them and dare to speak out do so in the knowledge that they've effectively ended their military careers.

    My one remaining, forlorn hope for this country is that the unconstitutional, undemocratic government we are now saddled with will screw things up so badly that the mid-level officer corps (majors - colonels) will be empowered to stage a military putsch and begin steering us back onto the path that the founding fathers envisioned.
  21. Missing words beget missing deeds.

  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    I think there's a deliberate attempt to feminize white males and masculinize hostile groups (minorities, white women, immigrants).

    “I think there’s a deliberate attempt to feminize white males and masculinize hostile groups (minorities, white women, immigrants).”

    Although the Left has failed at feminizing former Cisgender White male turned World War T Caitlyn Jenner, because “she” still has a deeper manlier sounding voice than Bruno Mars and Chris Rock for example. I go to Hooters all of the time and I have never heard a Female waitress at Hooters who sounds like Caitlyn Jenner, LOL.

  23. Speaking of misleading graphics, check out Google’s “doodle” for Veterans Day. One guy seems to be waving and calling, “hey, you forgot about my group!”

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Speaking of misleading graphics, check out Google’s “doodle” for Veterans Day. One guy seems to be waving and calling, “hey, you forgot about my group!”

     

    You're right - he really does. What's especially bizarre is that Veterans Day honors all veterans who have fought for America throughout the years, and the vast majority have got to be white. It's an insult that Google as chosen to ignore this fact.
  24. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Percy Gryce
    Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Veterans+Day&oi=ddle&ct=veterans-day-2015-5639245909721088-hp&hl=en#ddle=1&oi=ddle

    At this point, don’t you have to imagine that they did this just SO they could get responses from people like us, so they could spend the rest of the day on twitter denouncing us and saying “Wow. Just wow. It’s 2015!”? I mean, what else would they do on Veteran’s Day that could be more important than that?

    I love the black guy slightly to the left of center, though. He looks… dazed or something. Everybody else is looking over the shoulder of where the “camera” is, but he looks like he got distracted by something off to the side.

    Then there’s that one white guy, sort of in the back, who’s like “Hey! Over here! We’re still around, you know!”.

  25. And so good to mention Mr. Roberts, I had thought to once look for him but lost recall. His point in a way is all that matters, as far as everyone not a demagogues is concerned, all that matters in this realm I think. Yes I said realm, and I also thought what much better would it be were bloggers called posters, who post, especially because self-publishing is what Luther did, and of course he posted 95 of them. And America Renaissance is immense intense work…. but reformations are ever beginning. something might be in the air, bc my feet are definitely on the ground.

  26. @Lagertha
    immigration, of course! This was a very, very, very boring debate. Even a stand-in for Captain Picard did not make me want to spend my entire evening listening to these cloying candidates. Like I said earlier, my beloved Irish Wolfhound needs my attention at this twilight moment in both of our lives.

    Lagertha,

    I’m sorry to hear bout your sweet dog. Take good care of him or her.

  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @inertial
    Speaking of misleading graphics, check out Google's "doodle" for Veterans Day. One guy seems to be waving and calling, "hey, you forgot about my group!"

    Speaking of misleading graphics, check out Google’s “doodle” for Veterans Day. One guy seems to be waving and calling, “hey, you forgot about my group!”

    You’re right – he really does. What’s especially bizarre is that Veterans Day honors all veterans who have fought for America throughout the years, and the vast majority have got to be white. It’s an insult that Google as chosen to ignore this fact.

    • Replies: @anon
    I bet the white guy is actually a female tranny.
    , @Percy Gryce

    You’re right – he really does. What’s especially bizarre is that Veterans Day honors all veterans who have fought for America throughout the years, and the vast majority have got to be white. It’s an insult that Google as chosen to ignore this fact.
     
    More than that, the vast majority of American warriors were men. Even today only 14.5% of service members are women. If you consider our entire history, the percentage must be well below 5%. And yet in the Google Doodle 3 of the 7 service members represented are women. More distortion and lies.
    , @anowow
    Nope, not an insult. Just the Revolution eating its young. The US Military, since the Civil War, has largely been a force for Leftist social change and government consolidation and centralization. While it has served corporate interests often and during the Indian wars served the frontier population, it has been as efficient and consistent a tool of those who seek to change our culture as any SJW. Indeed, quietly and incrementally, it, along with professional sports, has been far more effective than those fools protesting Halloween costumes. It might be culturally Center-Right, but that hasn't translated it into being a real force for actual Conservatism, unless you count bullying goatherds and metizo Communists and providing fly-overs at Nascar.

    I have as much sympathy for white veterans (and let's be honest, this country coddles them) getting no recogniction as I do Old Bolsheviks getting killed during the Stalinist purges.
    , @CommentGuy
    The hand-raising guy is Asian. The white element of diversity can be found in the back left. Out of focus and fading fast.
  28. @Anonymous

    Speaking of misleading graphics, check out Google’s “doodle” for Veterans Day. One guy seems to be waving and calling, “hey, you forgot about my group!”

     

    You're right - he really does. What's especially bizarre is that Veterans Day honors all veterans who have fought for America throughout the years, and the vast majority have got to be white. It's an insult that Google as chosen to ignore this fact.

    I bet the white guy is actually a female tranny.

  29. @Percy Gryce
    Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Veterans+Day&oi=ddle&ct=veterans-day-2015-5639245909721088-hp&hl=en#ddle=1&oi=ddle

    There are two. But it’s true that the vast majority of IRL veterans are male and the vast majority hwyte.

  30. @Anonymous
    Rubio sounds like he's on speed and has 30 index cards memorized for his answers.

    Anonymous said:

    Rubio sounds like he’s on speed and has 30 index cards memorized for his answers.

    He strikes me as boyishly effeminate, sweet though not very bright.

    I would think Hillary could easily show herself to be more of a man than Marco.

    However, the females in our household seem to find him more appealing than I do.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The best take on Rubio came from Joe Scarborough after one of the previous debates. After Hugh Hewitt praised Rubio, Scarborough scoffed and said Rubio comes across like he running for student government.
    , @Bleuteaux

    However, the females in our household seem to find him more appealing than I do.

     

    I'm glad someone mentioned this. The people who I know supporting Rubio the strongest are all women, including several smart ones who should know better.
  31. @JohnnyWalker123
    My review:

    Kasich did very poorly, especially when talking about banking. He even got booed. He seems to be positioning himself as the "moderate" candidate, but he's not doing well.

    Rubio, Fiorina, and Cruz did well. Rubio seems like he’s now the establishment frontrunner, as he speaks well and knows how to articulate the basic conservative talking points (repeal Obamamcare, strong military, family values, etc). Rubio even was able to defend the child tax credit and come across as pro-family, while seeming anti-spending. Cruz hits the talking points well too. Fiorina seems tough and is articulate, but isn’t likeable enough.

    Carson and Trump were okay. Carson was able to hold his own and evade the controversies that have been dogging him lately. Trump was tough on illegal immigration and called for building the wall on the border. Trump also cited Operation Wetback (from the Eisenhower era) and talked about the Israeli border fence. Trump had good points on trade and the TPP too. Bush and Kasich were against Trump’s immigration proposals, but neither man did well.

    Jeb Bush was forgettable.

    Rand Paul made very substantive points on foreign policy and military spending, but I think he’s out of sync with the party.

    I was disappointed that the candidates don’t want to raise the minimum wage. I was also disappointed that the candidates are against regulating Wall Street. Rubio was smooth in positioning himself as anti-regulation and still positioning himself as anti-Wall Street.

    A lot of the foreign policy talk was absolutely insane, especially from Carly Fiorina. Trump and Rand Paul were the only sane candidates in the room.

    I don’t think much changed from this debate, except that Rubio (and maybe Cruz) will continue to surge at Bush’s expense.

    The GOP can count on many votes by advocating a rabidly belligerent foreign policy and “defending Israel.”

    Unfortunately, most of the people who dislike that rhetoric would never vote for a GOP candidate anyway, so the neocons reasonably calculate that it’s in their best interest to puff their chests and advocate a bellicose foreign policy that bankrupts our nation and allows a cynical tribe in control of a precariously-positioned ethnostate to cuck us.

    Libertarians and anti-war liberals have become SJW-ified and paleocons have been branded as WAYCISSS. Even Trump has been forced to genuflect to the gods of PC.

  32. @Stephen R. Diamond
    Illegal immigration was a significant topic, but not immigration itself.

    Trump proposes that all the illegals be kicked out, but he "hopes" they all get back in! Some opponent of mass migration!

    It would make more sense to seal the border and then confer full citizenship on those who have arrived - and have done with it. The problem with the threat of deportation is that it helps further drive down wages.

    And the American people, themselves very ambivalent about the cheap labor provided (depending largely on their own class position), have to partly blame their own inaction for illegal immigrants being allowed to remain long enough to integrate themselves into the economy. (In law it's called maintaining an attractive nuisance. The alternative to amnesty may be reparations.)

    It would make more sense to seal the border and then confer full citizenship on those who have arrived – and have done with it.

    It would make even more sense to seal the border and leave them there as illegals. If you’re just going to let them apply for legal status after they’ve been caught, this makes things worse in the long run, because once they’ve got permanent residence they’ll bring in more of their family members, and have more children. The debate has to cut to the question of what kind of country you want, and whether whites have a right to keep it for their own kind or see themselves replaced. People argue that legal immigrants are better because they won’t drive down wages so much, but if you have enough of them (and the family members they brought in) it’s going to add up to much the same thing.

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond

    because once they’ve got permanent residence they’ll bring in more of their family members, and have more children
     
    Then the border hasn't really being sealed in quite the sense required. What's needed is a moratorium on all immigration for at least a decade.

    The debate has to cut to the question of what kind of country you want, and whether whites have a right to keep it for their own kind or see themselves replaced.

     

    Yes, the question is one of cutting to the root question. But no, the root question isn't "staying" a white country. That decision was made impossible centuries past with the importing and breeding of negro slaves. Nor is the question what Trump thinks it is: that we are a "nation of laws." [I would amnesty drug "criminals." Would that render us lawless? Amnesty is completely within the ambit of a democratic republic.]

    The billionaires (more precisely, the transnational corporations) promote mass migration to obtain the very cheapest labor. A society with two tiers of residents is a society unable to unite against them, as is a multicultural society. [Trump is duplicitous when he decries illegal migrants for lowering wages and then says American workers still make too much - lecturing workers to work harder.]

    A moratorium on all immigration to allow the working class to recover its standard of living, and full citizenship rights for those already here to to allow the working class to unite.

  33. @JohnnyWalker123
    My review:

    Kasich did very poorly, especially when talking about banking. He even got booed. He seems to be positioning himself as the "moderate" candidate, but he's not doing well.

    Rubio, Fiorina, and Cruz did well. Rubio seems like he’s now the establishment frontrunner, as he speaks well and knows how to articulate the basic conservative talking points (repeal Obamamcare, strong military, family values, etc). Rubio even was able to defend the child tax credit and come across as pro-family, while seeming anti-spending. Cruz hits the talking points well too. Fiorina seems tough and is articulate, but isn’t likeable enough.

    Carson and Trump were okay. Carson was able to hold his own and evade the controversies that have been dogging him lately. Trump was tough on illegal immigration and called for building the wall on the border. Trump also cited Operation Wetback (from the Eisenhower era) and talked about the Israeli border fence. Trump had good points on trade and the TPP too. Bush and Kasich were against Trump’s immigration proposals, but neither man did well.

    Jeb Bush was forgettable.

    Rand Paul made very substantive points on foreign policy and military spending, but I think he’s out of sync with the party.

    I was disappointed that the candidates don’t want to raise the minimum wage. I was also disappointed that the candidates are against regulating Wall Street. Rubio was smooth in positioning himself as anti-regulation and still positioning himself as anti-Wall Street.

    A lot of the foreign policy talk was absolutely insane, especially from Carly Fiorina. Trump and Rand Paul were the only sane candidates in the room.

    I don’t think much changed from this debate, except that Rubio (and maybe Cruz) will continue to surge at Bush’s expense.

    JohnnyWalker123, I generally agree with your debate synopsis. A few additional points:

    Carson had a more coherent and cogent response on the minimum wage than Trump. This should be Trump’s strength, but he almost seemed asleep tonight. Still tired from SNL on Saturday?

    I thought Rand had the strongest points judged purely on intellectual merit — especially on the utter insanity of declaring a “no-fly zone” in an area where Russia now has military planes in the air! Also, Trump did wake up in talking about the craziness of going into Syria.

    In terms of presentation, Cruz seemed strongest, followed by Fiorina. I actually found Cruz’s closing comment moving (and I’m pretty cynical).

    Jeb! actually said something intelligent on the technical merits of natural gas. Aside from that, I hope he enjoyed his nap.

    Kasich struck me and the females in the house as more than slightly scary: I’ve seen him in many one-on-one interviews over the years, and he is not really like this. I guess he just cannot handle the debate format.

    There was a feature article on Rand recently the title of which was something like “He Wants to Be Your President, But Not Your Pal.” Alas, the country wants a pal.

    So, I think it will narrow down over the next four months to Trump, Rubio, and Cruz. Let’s hope, for the sake of the country and the GOP, that it is not Rubio who gets the nomination.

    Dave

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    Cruz's biggest liability, in my opinion, is the shape of his head: it's built like a maul. http://goo.gl/IL2mGO
    , @Wilkey
    "Kasich struck me and the females in the house as more than slightly scary: I’ve seen him in many one-on-one interviews over the years, and he is not really like this. I guess he just cannot handle the debate format."

    He has gotten scary since he left Congress and is less visible nationally. He has also become more brazenly pro-establishment. He's not even pretending to represent the base. You wonder what the hell he's doing there, other than remind people outside of Ohio (uh oh - is he running for VP?) that he's still alive.

    Bush, Christie, Rubio, Kasich, Graham, Walker - they've all tanked. The establishment must be getting worried right about now. The poor showing of all of them shows how loose their grip is on control of the GOP.
  34. What’s the Missing Word from the Fox News Word Chart of the GOP Debate? … Audacious Epigone catches Fox trying to distract from the big issue.

    To be clear, this is not a word cloud of topics discussed at the fourth Republican debate. According to moderator Maria Bartiromo, Fox previously polled 1 million Facebook users about “some of” the same topics they were discussing at the debate, and this word cloud shows the level of importance the Facebook users assigned to each topic.

    Given the popularity of the topic, it would seem obvious that immigration was deliberately left off of the poll, or that either Fox or Facebook or both deliberately manipulated the poll data.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Fox combined all sorts of issues into the "Homeland Security" phrase, so that it would loom largest ... Fox wants everyone to be filled with fear, and reactionary.
    that's why the foreign policy portion was so ridiculous (Except for Rand Paul)
  35. @PhysicistDave
    Anonymous said:

    Rubio sounds like he’s on speed and has 30 index cards memorized for his answers.
     
    He strikes me as boyishly effeminate, sweet though not very bright.

    I would think Hillary could easily show herself to be more of a man than Marco.

    However, the females in our household seem to find him more appealing than I do.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    The best take on Rubio came from Joe Scarborough after one of the previous debates. After Hugh Hewitt praised Rubio, Scarborough scoffed and said Rubio comes across like he running for student government.

  36. Diversity?

    The words are all in English, BTW. Bet Jeb! and Rubio!! don’t agree with that.

  37. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    Illegal immigration was a significant topic, but not immigration itself.

    Trump proposes that all the illegals be kicked out, but he "hopes" they all get back in! Some opponent of mass migration!

    It would make more sense to seal the border and then confer full citizenship on those who have arrived - and have done with it. The problem with the threat of deportation is that it helps further drive down wages.

    And the American people, themselves very ambivalent about the cheap labor provided (depending largely on their own class position), have to partly blame their own inaction for illegal immigrants being allowed to remain long enough to integrate themselves into the economy. (In law it's called maintaining an attractive nuisance. The alternative to amnesty may be reparations.)

    And the American people, themselves very ambivalent about the cheap labor provided (depending largely on their own class position), have to partly blame their own inaction for illegal immigrants being allowed to remain long enough to integrate themselves into the economy. (In law it’s called maintaining an attractive nuisance. The alternative to amnesty may be reparations

    I think this is it, on the nose. We really only have ourselves to blame for this. Illegals are now so integrated into the economy they cannot be disentangled without causing chaos.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    I am willing to give it a go! We will adapt.
    , @Discard
    Temporary chaos now or permanent chaos later. Mexicans bring disorder wherever they go.
  38. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @anon
    OT, but man, I can't wait to see the entry about Google's Veteran's Day doodle tomorrow.

    LOL. I went & looked – it’s blacksHispanicswomen all the way. One old white WWII vet on the left, looking as if he’s about to die.

  39. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    Does any of this showbiz really matter? The nominee will be the one who works the rules most cleverly. It’s a semi-fix.

  40. @Anonymous

    Speaking of misleading graphics, check out Google’s “doodle” for Veterans Day. One guy seems to be waving and calling, “hey, you forgot about my group!”

     

    You're right - he really does. What's especially bizarre is that Veterans Day honors all veterans who have fought for America throughout the years, and the vast majority have got to be white. It's an insult that Google as chosen to ignore this fact.

    You’re right – he really does. What’s especially bizarre is that Veterans Day honors all veterans who have fought for America throughout the years, and the vast majority have got to be white. It’s an insult that Google as chosen to ignore this fact.

    More than that, the vast majority of American warriors were men. Even today only 14.5% of service members are women. If you consider our entire history, the percentage must be well below 5%. And yet in the Google Doodle 3 of the 7 service members represented are women. More distortion and lies.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    It's social engineering, something that Google is good at.

    Not to mention showing their PC/MC creds while pilfering through your email and tracking your movements via Android. Nice folks, that is if you like Big Brother.
  41. @Anonymous

    Speaking of misleading graphics, check out Google’s “doodle” for Veterans Day. One guy seems to be waving and calling, “hey, you forgot about my group!”

     

    You're right - he really does. What's especially bizarre is that Veterans Day honors all veterans who have fought for America throughout the years, and the vast majority have got to be white. It's an insult that Google as chosen to ignore this fact.

    Nope, not an insult. Just the Revolution eating its young. The US Military, since the Civil War, has largely been a force for Leftist social change and government consolidation and centralization. While it has served corporate interests often and during the Indian wars served the frontier population, it has been as efficient and consistent a tool of those who seek to change our culture as any SJW. Indeed, quietly and incrementally, it, along with professional sports, has been far more effective than those fools protesting Halloween costumes. It might be culturally Center-Right, but that hasn’t translated it into being a real force for actual Conservatism, unless you count bullying goatherds and metizo Communists and providing fly-overs at Nascar.

    I have as much sympathy for white veterans (and let’s be honest, this country coddles them) getting no recogniction as I do Old Bolsheviks getting killed during the Stalinist purges.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Nope, not an insult. Just the Revolution eating its young. The US Military, since the Civil War, has largely been a force for Leftist social change and government consolidation and centralization.
     
    Unwittingly, but true.
    , @Discard
    American veterans=Old Bolsheviks? Five points on a civil service exam in exchange for four years at a shitty job for low pay is coddling? Ten points for being shot? When five or ten points isn't enough to beat affirmative action?
  42. @PhysicistDave
    JohnnyWalker123, I generally agree with your debate synopsis. A few additional points:

    Carson had a more coherent and cogent response on the minimum wage than Trump. This should be Trump's strength, but he almost seemed asleep tonight. Still tired from SNL on Saturday?

    I thought Rand had the strongest points judged purely on intellectual merit -- especially on the utter insanity of declaring a "no-fly zone" in an area where Russia now has military planes in the air! Also, Trump did wake up in talking about the craziness of going into Syria.

    In terms of presentation, Cruz seemed strongest, followed by Fiorina. I actually found Cruz's closing comment moving (and I'm pretty cynical).

    Jeb! actually said something intelligent on the technical merits of natural gas. Aside from that, I hope he enjoyed his nap.

    Kasich struck me and the females in the house as more than slightly scary: I've seen him in many one-on-one interviews over the years, and he is not really like this. I guess he just cannot handle the debate format.

    There was a feature article on Rand recently the title of which was something like "He Wants to Be Your President, But Not Your Pal." Alas, the country wants a pal.

    So, I think it will narrow down over the next four months to Trump, Rubio, and Cruz. Let's hope, for the sake of the country and the GOP, that it is not Rubio who gets the nomination.

    Dave

    Cruz’s biggest liability, in my opinion, is the shape of his head: it’s built like a maul. http://goo.gl/IL2mGO

  43. @Anonymous

    Speaking of misleading graphics, check out Google’s “doodle” for Veterans Day. One guy seems to be waving and calling, “hey, you forgot about my group!”

     

    You're right - he really does. What's especially bizarre is that Veterans Day honors all veterans who have fought for America throughout the years, and the vast majority have got to be white. It's an insult that Google as chosen to ignore this fact.

    The hand-raising guy is Asian. The white element of diversity can be found in the back left. Out of focus and fading fast.

  44. Trump got little applause and a fair amount of booing – they must screen the audience beforehand.

  45. @anon
    OT, but man, I can't wait to see the entry about Google's Veteran's Day doodle tomorrow.

    Hilariously unrepresentative of reality but it is images like this that buried deep in the unconscious form the “knowledge” and “reality” base of those profoundly ignorant of history and the US military, i.e., most Americans.

    The sorry and often disgraceful performance of Negro troops in WW II, Korea, and Vietnam is carefully papered over with feel good stories of exceptional performance by unrepresentative units and individuals.

    Mentioning the vast over-representation in today’s military – and particularly today’s combat troops. the “tip of the spear” – of white males drawn from those very parts of society Obama and his ilk most loathe is a hate crime.

    Kiss-butt, political opportunist, career military, officer flacks work over time to cover up the disastrously negative impacts on unit morale and effectiveness created by active recruitment of female and homosexual troops; officers who care about the military and the men serving under them and dare to speak out do so in the knowledge that they’ve effectively ended their military careers.

    My one remaining, forlorn hope for this country is that the unconstitutional, undemocratic government we are now saddled with will screw things up so badly that the mid-level officer corps (majors – colonels) will be empowered to stage a military putsch and begin steering us back onto the path that the founding fathers envisioned.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    I just checked the percentage of blacks in the military and was surprised to find it was higher than I expected, 17.8% overall, with the breakdown as follows: Army 21.5%, Navy 19.3%, Marines 11.1%, and Air Force 15.6%. http://www.statisticbrain.com/demographics-of-active-duty-u-s-military/
    Out of curiosity, I wonder what the percentage is of officers elevated to general (or the equivalent) under Obama. Anybody happen to know?
  46. @Percy Gryce
    Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Veterans+Day&oi=ddle&ct=veterans-day-2015-5639245909721088-hp&hl=en#ddle=1&oi=ddle

    The bias is blatant in today’s google doodle. There are one or two of every group, except the white male, who is still and always has been the stalwart of the US military. Disgusting slight. This is Veteran’s Day, not Subgroup Veteran’s Day.

  47. @Jefferson
    "Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    I remember seeing a billboard that promoted racial and gender diversity in the San Francisco police department. It showed a Black woman, a Mestizo man, an East Asian man, and a manly butch dyke looking White woman. But no White man.

    I wonder why they choose a manly White butch dyke over a Feminine girly looking Heterosexual White woman. Maybe Hetero Cisgender White women are no longer considered Vibrantly DIEverse enough for Social Justice Warriors.

    The explanation is simple: it’s San Francisco.

  48. @Percy Gryce
    Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Veterans+Day&oi=ddle&ct=veterans-day-2015-5639245909721088-hp&hl=en#ddle=1&oi=ddle

    “Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:”

    There’s that one white guy in the back, waving, as if to say “Hey, don’t forget me”.

    White men need to realize this: this is the country you’re serving – a country that despises you.

  49. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xymHtKjSZ_4

    Marco Rubio knows how to talk to Republicans.

    “Marco Rubio knows how to talk to Republicans.”

    Whenever seeing Marco Rubio speak, it helps to imagine the strings attached to him leading up to Paul Singer’s (and other’s) hands.

  50. @Harry Baldwin
    It reminds me of the questionnaires I used to get from the RNC along with their requests for donations. They'd ask me to indicate which on a list of issues were the most important to me, but the list would never include the issues I consider most important--immigration, racial preferences, etc. Those issues were beyond the pale.

    I still get them but now they come without the prepaid postage envelopes. Too many people attaching them to bricks or sending them messages on where to stick it.

  51. @Dew
    I noticed that too. Shouldn't the pictures be more representative of the U.S. military veteran population? Why oh why are the minority veterans taking up more than half the picture on Google? They aren't even trying to be subtle.

    Why is the Latino looking guy the center of the picture? Allure to amnesty and immigration?

    You sure he’s Latino and not Indian? I’m sure Google has to pander to the 75% of their workforce that is H1-B and L-1 by reminding us of the vast contributions of Indians to American military heritage.

  52. @PhysicistDave
    Anonymous said:

    Rubio sounds like he’s on speed and has 30 index cards memorized for his answers.
     
    He strikes me as boyishly effeminate, sweet though not very bright.

    I would think Hillary could easily show herself to be more of a man than Marco.

    However, the females in our household seem to find him more appealing than I do.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    However, the females in our household seem to find him more appealing than I do.

    I’m glad someone mentioned this. The people who I know supporting Rubio the strongest are all women, including several smart ones who should know better.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
    Smart ones wouldn't support anything that has to do with government.
  53. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    Modigliani? A painting of his just sold for $170M. (Chinese billionaire.)

  54. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It was a clever ploy. Notice they said that the words in larger print were those that had appeared the most online and were thus most important to voters. Notice that the largest words were “Homeland Security.” Of course, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services is a division of the Department of Homeland Security, and they handle most immigration related beaurocracy, including visa applications. U.S. Customs and Border Protection is also a division of the DHS.

    I have to assume that the words “Homeland Security” we’re not and are not that prevalent in their online survey or whatever they did to arrive at their ranking of importance that they used for the graphic. It’s not 2003 anymore. I’d assume they took a hint from the beaurocracy and counted the words “migration” and “immigration” as being subsumed under “Homeland Security.”

  55. @Jefferson
    "Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    I remember seeing a billboard that promoted racial and gender diversity in the San Francisco police department. It showed a Black woman, a Mestizo man, an East Asian man, and a manly butch dyke looking White woman. But no White man.

    I wonder why they choose a manly White butch dyke over a Feminine girly looking Heterosexual White woman. Maybe Hetero Cisgender White women are no longer considered Vibrantly DIEverse enough for Social Justice Warriors.

    Hey, Jefferson, we missed you!

    “Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:

    I’m waiting for the 2016 doodle which will have a veteran in a turban- who’s really Sikh you ignorant inbred rube! In 2017 the veteran in the turban will really be a Muslim and kinda look like Nidal Hassan- so deal with it you ignorant inbred rube!

    • Replies: @The Man From K Street

    I’m waiting for the 2016 doodle which will have a veteran in a turban- who’s really Sikh you ignorant inbred rube! In 2017 the veteran in the turban will really be a Muslim and kinda look like Nidal Hassan- so deal with it you ignorant inbred rube!
     
    And on 11/11/2018 the doodle will have the actual Nidal Hassan.
  56. @Percy Gryce

    You’re right – he really does. What’s especially bizarre is that Veterans Day honors all veterans who have fought for America throughout the years, and the vast majority have got to be white. It’s an insult that Google as chosen to ignore this fact.
     
    More than that, the vast majority of American warriors were men. Even today only 14.5% of service members are women. If you consider our entire history, the percentage must be well below 5%. And yet in the Google Doodle 3 of the 7 service members represented are women. More distortion and lies.

    It’s social engineering, something that Google is good at.

    Not to mention showing their PC/MC creds while pilfering through your email and tracking your movements via Android. Nice folks, that is if you like Big Brother.

  57. @Clyde
    Immigration got nixed by Fox but trade is there in small fonts. Racism and Halloween costumes are omitted.

    “Immigration got nixed by Fox but trade is there in small fonts. Racism and Halloween costumes are omitted.”

    Just as there were no questions at the previous debate about the mass “Syrian refugee” invasion of Europe, which started long before the debate was held on CNBC on October 28, 2015. I bet Trump would have scored big at that debate if such a question had been asked. Probably explains why such a hot news item was left off the agenda.

  58. @Bleuteaux

    However, the females in our household seem to find him more appealing than I do.

     

    I'm glad someone mentioned this. The people who I know supporting Rubio the strongest are all women, including several smart ones who should know better.

    Smart ones wouldn’t support anything that has to do with government.

  59. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Hilariously unrepresentative of reality but it is images like this that buried deep in the unconscious form the "knowledge" and "reality" base of those profoundly ignorant of history and the US military, i.e., most Americans.

    The sorry and often disgraceful performance of Negro troops in WW II, Korea, and Vietnam is carefully papered over with feel good stories of exceptional performance by unrepresentative units and individuals.

    Mentioning the vast over-representation in today's military - and particularly today's combat troops. the "tip of the spear" - of white males drawn from those very parts of society Obama and his ilk most loathe is a hate crime.

    Kiss-butt, political opportunist, career military, officer flacks work over time to cover up the disastrously negative impacts on unit morale and effectiveness created by active recruitment of female and homosexual troops; officers who care about the military and the men serving under them and dare to speak out do so in the knowledge that they've effectively ended their military careers.

    My one remaining, forlorn hope for this country is that the unconstitutional, undemocratic government we are now saddled with will screw things up so badly that the mid-level officer corps (majors - colonels) will be empowered to stage a military putsch and begin steering us back onto the path that the founding fathers envisioned.

    I just checked the percentage of blacks in the military and was surprised to find it was higher than I expected, 17.8% overall, with the breakdown as follows: Army 21.5%, Navy 19.3%, Marines 11.1%, and Air Force 15.6%. http://www.statisticbrain.com/demographics-of-active-duty-u-s-military/
    Out of curiosity, I wonder what the percentage is of officers elevated to general (or the equivalent) under Obama. Anybody happen to know?

  60. @PhysicistDave
    JohnnyWalker123, I generally agree with your debate synopsis. A few additional points:

    Carson had a more coherent and cogent response on the minimum wage than Trump. This should be Trump's strength, but he almost seemed asleep tonight. Still tired from SNL on Saturday?

    I thought Rand had the strongest points judged purely on intellectual merit -- especially on the utter insanity of declaring a "no-fly zone" in an area where Russia now has military planes in the air! Also, Trump did wake up in talking about the craziness of going into Syria.

    In terms of presentation, Cruz seemed strongest, followed by Fiorina. I actually found Cruz's closing comment moving (and I'm pretty cynical).

    Jeb! actually said something intelligent on the technical merits of natural gas. Aside from that, I hope he enjoyed his nap.

    Kasich struck me and the females in the house as more than slightly scary: I've seen him in many one-on-one interviews over the years, and he is not really like this. I guess he just cannot handle the debate format.

    There was a feature article on Rand recently the title of which was something like "He Wants to Be Your President, But Not Your Pal." Alas, the country wants a pal.

    So, I think it will narrow down over the next four months to Trump, Rubio, and Cruz. Let's hope, for the sake of the country and the GOP, that it is not Rubio who gets the nomination.

    Dave

    “Kasich struck me and the females in the house as more than slightly scary: I’ve seen him in many one-on-one interviews over the years, and he is not really like this. I guess he just cannot handle the debate format.”

    He has gotten scary since he left Congress and is less visible nationally. He has also become more brazenly pro-establishment. He’s not even pretending to represent the base. You wonder what the hell he’s doing there, other than remind people outside of Ohio (uh oh – is he running for VP?) that he’s still alive.

    Bush, Christie, Rubio, Kasich, Graham, Walker – they’ve all tanked. The establishment must be getting worried right about now. The poor showing of all of them shows how loose their grip is on control of the GOP.

  61. The US Military has for large portions of history ceased to exist; after the Revolution, after the War of 1812, after the Civil War, WWI, and WWII up to the Korean War. Americans have never really liked the expense and bother of a real military, and have been bailed out by distance and inept or divided enemies. If the British had made nice with Napoleon they could have crushed us easily in 1812, as it was they burned the White House. We’ve done the military on the cheap, look at how Ike used nuclear weapons as a cheap substitute for a big standing military. Operation Chrome Dome had bombers always armed always in the air, instead of a global military.

    PART of the problem of Open Borders comes from the logic of the Cold War. ICBMs made territorial defense irrelevant. Any place on the globe could be nuked. Territorial defense then is not worth it. And of course back to our old disdain for the military, since it can’t stop us from being nuked.

    Of course, a sufficient deterrence against the Soviets DID work. Support for Israel is just a proxy for willingness to keep up a deterrent.

  62. Immigration almost had to have been combined with Homeland Security. That is the largest phrase shown on the screen, yet as Google Trend reveals, if Immigration and Homeland Security were grouped together, Immigration must have comprised about 98% of the searches and Homeland Security about 2%. Despite that, however, the category shown was simply “Homeland Security”.

    Russia and Ukraine were grouped together even though “Russia” and “Ukraine” are searched up far more than “Russia and Ukraine” or some iteration of the two together. Even showing “Immigration and Homeland Security” as a single category would’ve been misleading, but at least there would’ve been the appearance of something like consistency and consequently plausible deniability by Fox/Facebook.

    As is, it’s clear the attempt was made to bury the topic of immigration.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    burying immigration facts is the only clear policy in northern Europe. - make people feel guilty to even feel apprehensive about migrants is de rigueur constructed by social democrat apparatchiks.
  63. @Stephen R. Diamond
    Illegal immigration was a significant topic, but not immigration itself.

    Trump proposes that all the illegals be kicked out, but he "hopes" they all get back in! Some opponent of mass migration!

    It would make more sense to seal the border and then confer full citizenship on those who have arrived - and have done with it. The problem with the threat of deportation is that it helps further drive down wages.

    And the American people, themselves very ambivalent about the cheap labor provided (depending largely on their own class position), have to partly blame their own inaction for illegal immigrants being allowed to remain long enough to integrate themselves into the economy. (In law it's called maintaining an attractive nuisance. The alternative to amnesty may be reparations.)

    It would make more sense to seal the border and then confer full citizenship on those who have arrived – and have done with it.

    Yeah because we know once we declare the border “sealed” no more illegals will try to sneak in.

    have to partly blame their own inaction for illegal immigrants being allowed to remain long enough to integrate themselves into the economy.

    BS. The vast majority of Americans have always wanted them out. Government is cow-towing to business who wants cheap labor and there is nothing the average guy can do if the government refuses to enforce the law or maybe you never heard of Ranch Rescue and the Minutemen.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  64. @WhatEvvs

    And the American people, themselves very ambivalent about the cheap labor provided (depending largely on their own class position), have to partly blame their own inaction for illegal immigrants being allowed to remain long enough to integrate themselves into the economy. (In law it’s called maintaining an attractive nuisance. The alternative to amnesty may be reparations

     

    I think this is it, on the nose. We really only have ourselves to blame for this. Illegals are now so integrated into the economy they cannot be disentangled without causing chaos.

    I am willing to give it a go! We will adapt.

  65. @Rob McX

    It would make more sense to seal the border and then confer full citizenship on those who have arrived – and have done with it.
     
    It would make even more sense to seal the border and leave them there as illegals. If you're just going to let them apply for legal status after they've been caught, this makes things worse in the long run, because once they've got permanent residence they'll bring in more of their family members, and have more children. The debate has to cut to the question of what kind of country you want, and whether whites have a right to keep it for their own kind or see themselves replaced. People argue that legal immigrants are better because they won't drive down wages so much, but if you have enough of them (and the family members they brought in) it's going to add up to much the same thing.

    because once they’ve got permanent residence they’ll bring in more of their family members, and have more children

    Then the border hasn’t really being sealed in quite the sense required. What’s needed is a moratorium on all immigration for at least a decade.

    The debate has to cut to the question of what kind of country you want, and whether whites have a right to keep it for their own kind or see themselves replaced.

    Yes, the question is one of cutting to the root question. But no, the root question isn’t “staying” a white country. That decision was made impossible centuries past with the importing and breeding of negro slaves. Nor is the question what Trump thinks it is: that we are a “nation of laws.” [I would amnesty drug “criminals.” Would that render us lawless? Amnesty is completely within the ambit of a democratic republic.]

    The billionaires (more precisely, the transnational corporations) promote mass migration to obtain the very cheapest labor. A society with two tiers of residents is a society unable to unite against them, as is a multicultural society. [Trump is duplicitous when he decries illegal migrants for lowering wages and then says American workers still make too much – lecturing workers to work harder.]

    A moratorium on all immigration to allow the working class to recover its standard of living, and full citizenship rights for those already here to to allow the working class to unite.

  66. @Abe
    Hey, Jefferson, we missed you!

    “Apparently there are no white male veterans of the U.S. military:
     
    I'm waiting for the 2016 doodle which will have a veteran in a turban- who's really Sikh you ignorant inbred rube! In 2017 the veteran in the turban will really be a Muslim and kinda look like Nidal Hassan- so deal with it you ignorant inbred rube!

    I’m waiting for the 2016 doodle which will have a veteran in a turban- who’s really Sikh you ignorant inbred rube! In 2017 the veteran in the turban will really be a Muslim and kinda look like Nidal Hassan- so deal with it you ignorant inbred rube!

    And on 11/11/2018 the doodle will have the actual Nidal Hassan.

  67. @anowow
    Nope, not an insult. Just the Revolution eating its young. The US Military, since the Civil War, has largely been a force for Leftist social change and government consolidation and centralization. While it has served corporate interests often and during the Indian wars served the frontier population, it has been as efficient and consistent a tool of those who seek to change our culture as any SJW. Indeed, quietly and incrementally, it, along with professional sports, has been far more effective than those fools protesting Halloween costumes. It might be culturally Center-Right, but that hasn't translated it into being a real force for actual Conservatism, unless you count bullying goatherds and metizo Communists and providing fly-overs at Nascar.

    I have as much sympathy for white veterans (and let's be honest, this country coddles them) getting no recogniction as I do Old Bolsheviks getting killed during the Stalinist purges.

    Nope, not an insult. Just the Revolution eating its young. The US Military, since the Civil War, has largely been a force for Leftist social change and government consolidation and centralization.

    Unwittingly, but true.

  68. @WhatEvvs

    And the American people, themselves very ambivalent about the cheap labor provided (depending largely on their own class position), have to partly blame their own inaction for illegal immigrants being allowed to remain long enough to integrate themselves into the economy. (In law it’s called maintaining an attractive nuisance. The alternative to amnesty may be reparations

     

    I think this is it, on the nose. We really only have ourselves to blame for this. Illegals are now so integrated into the economy they cannot be disentangled without causing chaos.

    Temporary chaos now or permanent chaos later. Mexicans bring disorder wherever they go.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    Not that I'm in favor of illegals, but the recent events at Mizzou would disprove this.
  69. @anowow
    Nope, not an insult. Just the Revolution eating its young. The US Military, since the Civil War, has largely been a force for Leftist social change and government consolidation and centralization. While it has served corporate interests often and during the Indian wars served the frontier population, it has been as efficient and consistent a tool of those who seek to change our culture as any SJW. Indeed, quietly and incrementally, it, along with professional sports, has been far more effective than those fools protesting Halloween costumes. It might be culturally Center-Right, but that hasn't translated it into being a real force for actual Conservatism, unless you count bullying goatherds and metizo Communists and providing fly-overs at Nascar.

    I have as much sympathy for white veterans (and let's be honest, this country coddles them) getting no recogniction as I do Old Bolsheviks getting killed during the Stalinist purges.

    American veterans=Old Bolsheviks? Five points on a civil service exam in exchange for four years at a shitty job for low pay is coddling? Ten points for being shot? When five or ten points isn’t enough to beat affirmative action?

    • Replies: @anowow
    No mention of health benefits? And all the other benes; in some states they don't pay state taxes for their "service." Asking me to contribute to them is like asking a Ukrainian peasant to fund the pensions for the lads who enabled Lenin. Indeed, many of those who aided the Bolsheviks in the beginning did so in ignorance. American veterans enabled the Left and Center-Left. They continue to do so. They are as ineffectual in combating social change as the worse than useless Evangelicals.

    Considering that many of them were meant by God and fate to be ditch diggers, I'll say they are coddled. If it weren't for the military, what would most of them be doing otherwise?

    I resent being told they've served me. I've a list of who they have served, let those people fund the VA.

    plutocrats
    bankers
    Dole Banana and other unscrupulous business types with risky overseas investments
    The House of Morgan
    Washington politicians with dreams of grandiosity and power acquisition
    Parasitic defense contractors
    Real-estate developers in areas with military presence or Northern Virginia
    Kuwaitis
    Hazaras
    Afghan Tajiks
    South Vietnamese elites
    South Koreans, including that Gangam pudgy, angry Asian nerd
    Polish Jews
    Poles
    the decadent, Eurotrash grandchildren of Nazis in Germany
    Israelis
    the French
    Kurds
    Saudis
    Iraqi Shiites
    Blacks with poor job prospects
    Po'whites " " " "

  70. @George Glass
    What's the Missing Word from the Fox News Word Chart of the GOP Debate? ... Audacious Epigone catches Fox trying to distract from the big issue.

    To be clear, this is not a word cloud of topics discussed at the fourth Republican debate. According to moderator Maria Bartiromo, Fox previously polled 1 million Facebook users about "some of" the same topics they were discussing at the debate, and this word cloud shows the level of importance the Facebook users assigned to each topic.

    Given the popularity of the topic, it would seem obvious that immigration was deliberately left off of the poll, or that either Fox or Facebook or both deliberately manipulated the poll data.

    Fox combined all sorts of issues into the “Homeland Security” phrase, so that it would loom largest … Fox wants everyone to be filled with fear, and reactionary.
    that’s why the foreign policy portion was so ridiculous (Except for Rand Paul)

  71. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Discard
    Temporary chaos now or permanent chaos later. Mexicans bring disorder wherever they go.

    Not that I’m in favor of illegals, but the recent events at Mizzou would disprove this.

  72. @Discard
    American veterans=Old Bolsheviks? Five points on a civil service exam in exchange for four years at a shitty job for low pay is coddling? Ten points for being shot? When five or ten points isn't enough to beat affirmative action?

    No mention of health benefits? And all the other benes; in some states they don’t pay state taxes for their “service.” Asking me to contribute to them is like asking a Ukrainian peasant to fund the pensions for the lads who enabled Lenin. Indeed, many of those who aided the Bolsheviks in the beginning did so in ignorance. American veterans enabled the Left and Center-Left. They continue to do so. They are as ineffectual in combating social change as the worse than useless Evangelicals.

    Considering that many of them were meant by God and fate to be ditch diggers, I’ll say they are coddled. If it weren’t for the military, what would most of them be doing otherwise?

    I resent being told they’ve served me. I’ve a list of who they have served, let those people fund the VA.

    plutocrats
    bankers
    Dole Banana and other unscrupulous business types with risky overseas investments
    The House of Morgan
    Washington politicians with dreams of grandiosity and power acquisition
    Parasitic defense contractors
    Real-estate developers in areas with military presence or Northern Virginia
    Kuwaitis
    Hazaras
    Afghan Tajiks
    South Vietnamese elites
    South Koreans, including that Gangam pudgy, angry Asian nerd
    Polish Jews
    Poles
    the decadent, Eurotrash grandchildren of Nazis in Germany
    Israelis
    the French
    Kurds
    Saudis
    Iraqi Shiites
    Blacks with poor job prospects
    Po’whites ” ” ” “

  73. @Audacious Epigone
    Immigration almost had to have been combined with Homeland Security. That is the largest phrase shown on the screen, yet as Google Trend reveals, if Immigration and Homeland Security were grouped together, Immigration must have comprised about 98% of the searches and Homeland Security about 2%. Despite that, however, the category shown was simply "Homeland Security".

    Russia and Ukraine were grouped together even though "Russia" and "Ukraine" are searched up far more than "Russia and Ukraine" or some iteration of the two together. Even showing "Immigration and Homeland Security" as a single category would've been misleading, but at least there would've been the appearance of something like consistency and consequently plausible deniability by Fox/Facebook.

    As is, it's clear the attempt was made to bury the topic of immigration.

    burying immigration facts is the only clear policy in northern Europe. – make people feel guilty to even feel apprehensive about migrants is de rigueur constructed by social democrat apparatchiks.

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