The Unz Review • An Alternative Media Selection$
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 TeasersiSteve Blog
What's the Deal with Wide Receivers?
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • B
Show CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeThanksLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Thanks, LOL, or Troll with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

Defending Super Bowl champs Tampa Bay Buccaneers were losing to the lowly New York Jets when star/troubled wide receiver Antonio Brown, whom Tom Brady had recruited to Tampa, got benched. Displeased, he tore off his Bucs jersey and walked off the field.

I don’t follow football obsessively anymore due to declining testosterone levels in old age, but my impression is that A) successful football players are seldom prima donnas, and B) if they are, they are likely to be wide receivers.

If so, how come?

 
Hide 203 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
    []
  1. IIRC, Brown was recruiting to the Patriots before this (when Brady was still there?) and released like a day later.

    I can’t imagine Cooper Kupp acting this way.

  2. JimDandy says:

    “successful football players are seldom prima donnas, and B) if they are, they are likely to be wide receivers.

    If so, how come?”

    Because wide receivers are a cross between ballerinas and crash test dummies.

  3. @JimDandy

    That’s good.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Thanks: JimDandy
  4. 1. Wide Receivers get the ball by themselves. That gives them the opportunity to showboat. Nobody else can do that except running backs and quarterbacks. Quarterbacks have to have a lot of mental discipline, so they have less bandwidth to be crazy without losing their spot. Running backs need their linemen too much to “love me some me” the way WRs can.
    2. Tradition and role modeling. Going back to Deion Sanders and Terrell Owens, WRs
    Are the flashy showboats. Give any slice of humanity that kind of celebrity and money and lack of consequences, and some of them are going to flame out.

  5. Pericles says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    If memory serves, Antonio Brown the Patriot one day snuck up behind his masseuse and, well, ejaculated all over her good blouse. That was the end of his story up there.

    Actually, on consulting the news there was a bit more, none of it good.

    https://nypost.com/2019/09/10/antonio-brown-accused-of-raping-and-sexually-abusing-trainer/

    • Replies: @Danindc
    , @bomag
    , @Jack D
  6. Gordo says:

    OT by a mile; I have no idea what a wide receiver is, but more murders in London in 2021 that any time since WWII.

    Take a look at the pics:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/30-teens-murdered-bloodiest-year-25826800

    • Replies: @Listener
  7. WRs take big hits which may damage vital brain functions. That, combined with media attention because they are in the spotlight, may be the cause of so many WR prima donnas…also, the biggest WR prima donnas are mostly pure west african in origin, which is an area known to have males who are hyper-masculine, high testosterone peacocks to attract females…in euroasians, females attract men, in west africa, for evolutionary reasons, males attract via hyper-masculinity

    • Replies: @Danindc
    , @Neuday
  8. @Discordiax

    Interesting theory! It may also explain this.

    • Replies: @dindunuffins
  9. These guys are big strong men on the outside, but fragile little fellas on the inside, so they have to act out to counter their insecurity. No NFL for me. I don’t have enough mustard for all these hot dogs.

  10. FPD72 says:
    @Discordiax

    Going back to Deion Sanders and Terrell Owens, WRs
    Are the flashy showboats.

    Deion Sanders was a defensive back who on rare occasions played wide receiver. Over his entire career he caught 60 passes, of which 36 were in 1996 when he was with the Dallas Cowboys. In in way, his avoidance of contact (he was notorious for being a poor tackler) made him the opposite of the receiver who goes over the middle and gets concussed, such as Wes Welker.

  11. @Dave Pinsen

    That was a pretty bizarre performance even by black prima donna standards, lol.

    Tight ends seem a bit more restrained, though these days they’ve all got their 1st down and TD celebrations rehearsed too.

    Also, whites have long done better at TE than WR, but has there ever been a season that white TE’s have dominated this much? Nine of the top ten receiving TE’s by week 17 are white. (Darren Waller would be top 10 if healthy.)

    Is there some natural advantage that whites have at this position or is TE just not cool enough for blacks?

  12. dearieme says:

    Are these perhaps the chaps whose behaviour on the pitch first persuaded me that American Football teams seem to contain a lot of poofs?

    They score a whatsit and then dance and scream like little girls. Even soccer players with their mass cuddles seem less sissie.

  13. SafeNow says:


    Tom Brady hauling his young daughter off a cliff, just missing the rocks below. Just sayin’.

  14. anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    Antonio Brown is one of the best high school football players in the history of Dade County. He has also been a problem child for a long time.

    Given some of the dubious characters that UF and Miami have recruited to play football over the years, it is quite a tell that neither wanted him and he ended up at Central Michigan.

    • Replies: @Jack P
  15. countenance says: • Website

    Antonio Brown didn’t realize that when they said that players often do shirtless abandons in football, that they didn’t mean “that” football.

    • Thanks: David In TN
  16. Danindc says:
    @Pericles

    Lol. I would’ve thought by the 3rd time he sexually assaulted her, she would’ve learned her lesson.

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
  17. Danindc says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Steve Largent did the EXACT same thing as Antonio Brown at the Kingdome in November of 1978 and nobody said a thing! Hmmm 🤔

    • LOL: Dave Pinsen
  18. Danindc says:
    @propagandist hacker

    All the blue check libs in Twitter were blaming a hit from 5 years ago on Brown’s craziness. It’s not his fault!!

    It is his fault. He was crazy from day one. You do not want him as your neighbor. We have not heard the last from this guy. Check the police blotter going forward.

  19. Defending Super Bowl champs Tampa Bay Buccaneers were losing to the lowly New York Jets when star/troubled wide receiver Antonio Brown, whom Tom Brady had recruited to Tampa, got benched. Displeased, he tore off his Bucs jersey and walked off the field.

    The latest reports suggest Brown was not benched, but merely asked to go into the game by the coach, which he refused to do. Twice.

    Only then did Coach Arians tell Brown to “get out,” whereupon AB dramatically tore off his jersey and left the stadium.

    Brown was a game and a half back from a three-game suspension for using a fake vaccination card. But he was welcomed back with open arms and Brady targeted Brown fifteen times in that first game, which is a lot of targets.

    AB would’ve been a key player for the Bucs in the playoffs, just as he was last year, had he managed to stay on the team. Perhaps even more this year so since the Bucs now have so many key injuries, including to Chris Godwin, who is one of their more reliable wide receivers and out for the rest of the season.

    One of the more revealing things that happened during Brown’s rant yesterday was that, with the exception of fellow wide receiver Mike Evans, none of AB’s teammates tried to calm him down or even looked that surprised at his outburst.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    , @Buffalo Joe
  20. Batman says:

    An NFL team has about 60 offensive plays per game, of which about 35 are passing plays. WR1 gets targeted about 10 times to per game, and all but maybe 9 of those receptions result in him being immediately stuffed for no or little gain.

    So, your average WR has 35 1v1 battles against the CB, and gets trash talked to him by a ghetto CB 34 of those times for losing the battle. No surprise that he’s going to go a little wild the one time a game he beats the CB.

  21. Brown’s behavioral problems can very likely be traced back to the illegal hit he took from Vontaze Burfict back in 2016. All of Brown’s weirdness seemed to take place after this hit, and there is precedence for head injury victims undergoing drastic personality changes.

  22. It’s a priming behavior. Not the silly stuff, but assuring that the receiver is on the top of the QB’s mind.

    Wide receivers require attention and operation in more isolation than most. A key stat is “targets”. In a drop back pass play, the QB drops back and and checks off 3-5 options. Getting the ball requires the receiver not only get open, but get the QB’s attention. QB often have a favorite they look for or default to.

    Besides that, receivers are less reliant on the team blocking schemes that require player interaction. They are responsible for a route or zone that changes depending on how the defenders respond. It gets pretty complicated at the pro level, so that receiver needs to be certain that the QB is looking for him.

    AB is a special case. He is immensely talented, but I do wonder if that crash test dummy crack was on the money. He’s now quit on and/or been fired from 4 different teams.

    Lynn Swann literally did some ballet. He also retired relatively young after multiple concussions. When I saw him at playing with his young son at a kids birthday party several years ago the athleticism was evident, but so was the mileage. Ballet crash test dummy indeed. Center Mike Webster was clearly demented at his HOF speech, and died not all that long after. The concussions add up. Swann made the right choice.

  23. @Discordiax

    2. Tradition and role modeling. Going back to Deion Sanders and Terrell Owens, WRs
    Are the flashy showboats. Give any slice of humanity that kind of celebrity and money and lack of consequences, and some of them are going to flame out.

    Quibble – Sanders was a cornerback and kick returner who only sparingly played Wide Receiver.

  24. LP5 says:

    The receiver antics are more subdued in the college ranks. One factor could be that they have to face their fellow students routinely on campus in addition to their teammates on the field and in the locker room. Adulation can be tempered with contempt or even pity after witnessing ongoing selfish or borderline sociopathic behavior.

    There is more joy in the college game. Those receivers, and QBs, have registered some very impressive performances this bowl season, witness the Rose Bowl with OSU and Utah.

  25. 6dust6 says:

    Lots of wide receivers have these Hollywood pima donna temperaments but not all coaches want these personalities. I recall Bill Parcells’ displeasure, which he made public, when Kraft forced him to draft Terry Glenn, and Belichick seems to want players that he can mold and will fit into his team concept as workers who do their jobs. (Although Randy Moss straightened out and did a good job for him.) Both coaches seemed to want to wait for the later rounds to draft wide receivers.

  26. G. Poulin says:

    The more I see of these crash test ballerinas, the more respect I have for Jerry Rice (among others), who did his job, did it well, and accepted whatever role his team assigned to him without complaint. A credit to his… um … position.

  27. bomag says:
    @Pericles

    Thanks, I guess. Pretty dreary.

  28. Neuday says:
    @propagandist hacker

    Interesting theory, and might explain why Black women are consistently rated as least attractive of all racial categories; historically, and often now, they didn’t have to attract a man to mate, they simply had to walk up to a man they found attractive and make themselves available, so genetically there was no selection for beauty, or fidelity, for that matter. Also explains the high rates of single motherhood in the Black communi-tay.

    • Replies: @JosephD
  29. I don’t follow football obsessively anymore due to declining testosterone levels in old age,

    What about all the Wokery?

    Incidentally, what about the argument that by providing an outlet for aggressive and even violent instincts, professional sports may serve a societal good?

  30. @Dave Pinsen

    Antonio Brown has taken a number of brutal shots to the head. I forget the name of youtuber who did a video about that guy who used to play for the Bengals and Raiders who has been blackballed from the league (Burfict) but he made an argument that one hit by Burfict on Brown (which knocked Brown unconscious and got Burfict flagged but not ejected) ended the elite play of Antonio Brown permanently. But it was not just that one time. He was always a daredevil. It is sort of in the job description.

    How would you like to return punts? Do you think Hunter Renfrow is all there?

    Video of Burfict knocking out Brown.

    • Thanks: Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @Brutusale
  31. @Discordiax

    AB is basically a mentally retarded child in a man’s body who also has a touch of bipolar disorder. Tom Brady did everything short of adopting him and watching him 24/7. And AB was coming up on a million dollars in contract incentives if he just played one more average game. But AB just gotta be AB. Consequences aren’t really his thing.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Arclight
    , @Trinity
  32. @Discordiax

    Deion Sanders was not a receiver.
    He played defense.
    Able to intercept, though, so still some opportunities for showboating.

  33. Arclight says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    This is pretty much it – having followed AB’s career/escapades for a while, it’s obvious that he is definitely a bit crazy and not all that bright and just does what he wants to do…an instinct that has been humored by multiple organizations due to his athletic talent.

    I am not super knowledgeable about NFL players but of all the various characters I know I’d put AB in the #1 slot for “most likely to die early due to violent police standoff.”

    • Agree: magilla
    • Replies: @magilla
    , @Jack D
    , @Hypnotoad666
  34. G. Poulin says:

    It is characteristic of Tom Brady to think that all problems can be solved by attention to details. Well, that may be true of football problems. Not true of black retard problems. Those are baked in.

    • Agree: magilla
  35. Tampa Bay Buc Antonio Tavaris Brown = Bros wanna act up on TV. I am a riot, baby!

    I, Antonio Tavaris Brown, Tampa Bay Buccaneers = Bros wana act insane up on TV. I’m a race riot, baby!

  36. @Discordiax

    Agree with your take, though Neon Deion played mostly as a defensive back, not a wide receiver.

  37. nebulafox says:

    I haven’t followed the NFL in several years, but my impression is that Antonio Brown wasn’t particularly bad until that vicious hit to the head he took from Burfict in the ’16 wild card. If you look at his record carefully, virtually all the drama comes after that incident. And if you look at the drama, what strikes one is the childish impulsivity of it all. This smacks more of sustained mental damage than typical diva WR stuff.

    Take the trade to New England. Bill Belichick’s reputation for player discipline isn’t exactly a secret to the rest of the NFL, and nobody’s irreplaceable on that team. You think you can land a hot air balloon on his watch and not get your ass cut? So how could Brown think that he’d survive up there? Either he genuinely wanted a locker room where he’d be chewed out like any other player, where there was accountability, and where the coach didn’t run a democracy… or, more plausibly, he didn’t think that far ahead because he was mentally incapable of doing so.

    Brown is genuinely mentally damaged and needs urgent help, not a fat contract and a media spotlight. Maybe flaming out of the NFL will save his life. Maybe.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy, fish
    • Thanks: The Ringmaster
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @possumman
    , @fnn
  38. magilla says:
    @Arclight

    I just hope he doesn’t take a bunch of other, innocent people with him.

  39. Mike Tre says:

    Michael Irvin is the prototype for the modern day negro wide receiver prima donna. The position itself appeals to the worst of the negro psyche: Individual glory and stardom, but resentment and inferiority complex when they feel slighted. It’s the least “team player” position on offense. there were certainly prima donnas before Irvin, but he was the first to market his behavior is a “cool” thing, and of course espn and the NFL were happy to glamorize his antics and thus was born an entirely new and annoying aspect of the NFL:

    From the top of my head:

    Michael Irvin, Keyshawn Johnson, Andre Rison, Randy Moss, Brandon Marshall, Terrell Owens, Dion Sanders, Plaxico Burress, Chad Johnson (who changed his legal name to Chad Ocho Cinco), Dez Bryant, Anquan Bolden, Michael Crabtree, Golden Tate, Odell Beckham, Steve Smith, Chris Carter, DeSean Jackson.

    These are just the ones who were at least moderately successful. There are probably 100 more who were garbage but still presented the same behavior.

  40. Gamecock says:

    Gotta admit that Beckham was Beckham yesterday.

  41. Yo’ momma likely to be a wide receiver!

  42. I don’t … anymore due to … old age.

    Too bad you share Pinker’s cultural biases about exercise, or you could help yourself. Just text “LEAN” to 407-305-4124.

  43. Trinity says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Half of the African American population is bipolar and mentally retarded not just wide receivers. In the sports world there are tons of great examples like Oliver McCall aka the dude who had a breakdown in the ring against Lennox Lewis, which brings us to Mike Tyson. An old Dallas Cowboy running back, Duane Thomas, baseball player from back in the day, Dick Allen, etc.

    • Replies: @Gamecock
    , @Mike_from_SGV
  44. @nebulafox

    I haven’t followed the NFL in several years, but my impression is that Antonio Brown wasn’t particularly bad until that vicious hit to the head he took from Burfict in the ’16 wild card. If you look at his record carefully, virtually all the drama comes after that incident. And if you look at the drama, what strikes one is the childish impulsivity of it all. This smacks more of sustained mental damage than typical diva WR stuff.

    I think you may have the right of that. Brown was widely acknowledged to be the best route runner in the NFL in his early career. Iirc, ESPN even had a segment on him running precise routes blindfolded. That is not something that should substantially deteriorate with age as it is a combination of some sort of spatial sense and cutting ability (even in his salad days, Brown never had great sprinting speed). Criticism of Brown’s route running only started in 2017-18 when Roethlisberger called him out in post game interviews which lends credence to your theory of 2016 post-season mental damage.

    • Agree: American Citizen
  45. Jack D says:
    @Pericles

    Note that he was not actually (criminally) accused of rape, it was one of those “I am going to bring a civil suit accusing you of rape in an attempt to cash in years later” kind of “rapes”. The story goes dead at that point which I assume means that she got a fat settlement and agreed to speak no more of it.

    OTOH he did plead guilty and received 2 years probation arising out of an incident where he refused to pay a moving truck driver \$4,000 and instead assaulted the guy.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  46. Jack D says:
    @JimDandy

    Arguably, you could say the same about quarterbacks. Crossed with arm of a three point shooter.

    But as Discordiax pointed out, being a quarterback requires a lot of mature judgment so insane prima donna types tend to get weeded out.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    , @Hibernian
  47. fnn says:
    @nebulafox

    Brown is genuinely mentally damaged and needs urgent help, not a fat contract and a media spotlight.

    I guess everybody knows there is no treatment for CTE, but it can’t be a bad idea to prevent further damage. But am I missing something?

  48. Jack D says:
    @Arclight

    He already had one of those standoffs in connection with his moving truck incident.

    I don’t know if it will be in a standoff with the cops but I predict that he will die young and penniless one way or another.

  49. If you give me the relevant Wonderlic Scores then I will answer your question.

    • Replies: @res
  50. What’s a wide receiver?

    ???

    ???

  51. @Arclight

    Actually, some more facts are out and AB doesn’t look quite as bad. Basically, they sent him into the game but AB felt he wasn’t healthy enough to play (ankle injury or something) and said “no.” So they cut him from the team right there on the sidelines and it was only THEN he stripped off his pads and left. If true, that’s a pretty different scenario.

    • Replies: @Arclight
  52. Altai says:

    OT: But I know people are sick of me talking about it, but the idea that people with cluster B traits tend to prefer each others company (Despite all the subsequent risk of sexual assault that means for the girls: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10081742) I can think of no better example than the friend of a 16 year old who killed 4 people filming himself trashing the memorial for the people who died in the other car. Was it also partly mediated by the people being some of the last WASPs in Miami?

    In places like schools there are enough people gathered together by age alone that they can sometimes form cliques. But it was the internet that allowed them to gather en masse. For males it’s not much use since they prefer violence to express their aggression towards others. For girls and young women though, social media became a wonderland for them to express their social aggression through purity spirals and defining this and that as okay or ‘not okay’ without consequence and the social destabilisation of society’s Overton window being so influenced by teenagers with BPD has already got people seriously talking about secession not a decade or so into it.

    All those Cuban prisons were ironically full of the kinds of people who become antifa in the US having innate temperaments that would qualify for one or another cluster B disorders. Such people are actually the kind of people real communist states don’t tend to have much time for. The irony is that such people are only allowed to be truly free to be who they are in every man for himself neoliberalism.

    I suppose it’s somewhat on topic given how many NFL players seem to show signs of anti-social personality disorder.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK546673

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

    And for what’s worth in terms of the obnoxiousness of wide-receivers Brandon Marshall received a BPD diagnosis. Which he, along with almost all BPD immediately took to mean not so much a description of his personality but an excuse for his actions, which is, incidentally, totally in line with a BPD diagnosis itself. As is his constant conflict with others and attention-seeking. These kinds of people are now the power-users of social media.

    https://www.tmc.edu/news/2019/05/nfl-receiver-brandon-marshall-speaks-on-borderline-personality-disorder-at-menninger-luncheon

  53. I wonder if the most egregious offenders against good taste and sportsmanship have any other identifying characteristic besides playing the WR position?

  54. Barnard says:
    @Pincher Martin

    One of the more revealing things that happened during Brown’s rant yesterday was that, with the exception of fellow wide receiver Mike Evans, none of AB’s teammates tried to calm him down or even looked that surprised at his outburst.

    For a well adjusted, normal man, being in an NFL locker room has to be like being in an insane asylum. Most of them probably don’t fully realize it until they leave football, but nearly every team has crazy guys the team has to keep on a leash. In the pre internet age, it was a lot easier to cover this stuff up, but both teams and agents reportedly have fixers who go around and try to keep problems caused by players out of the news.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    , @R.G. Camara
  55. @Discordiax

    Running backs need their linemen too much

    So do QBs.

    I guarantee you that guys like Brady and Rodgers treat their entire OL to cost-no-object dinner outings at the steakhouse of their choice every Sunday evening.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @David In TN
  56. Sportsball is the only place such animals and freaks can live profitably apart from crime or unskilled labor. Maybe some of you should consider not supporting it.

    It was here on this blog that I realized, by reading other commenters, that ball games are truly the province of children, or at best amateur friends for fun, and that the “adult,” professional versions, and college versions, are aberrations.

  57. Brown is not the most literate of sorts judging by his text messages, but the accusations against him didn’t really add up. https://heavy.com/sports/2019/09/antonio-brown-text-messages-britney-taylor-emails/

  58. SafeNow says:

    There is an extensive literature on anger-management in sports, which that rehearsing emotional and cognitive change can be mildly or moderately successful. Maintaining emotional intensity is important, many athletes insist. But meltdown-prevention can be rehearsed, and cognitive misinterpretation can be reduced. I am guessing that the coach of the national table-tennis team will be into this; an NFL coach much less so.

  59. @War for Blair Mountain

    Oh come on Stevo..

    Let the gd comment through….

    • Replies: @David Davenport
  60. Tim says:

    I think it’s much more than Wide Receivers. Blacks long ago decided that they would not control themselves, that they would surrender all powers of control and managing themselves to white people. They resented white people for it, but they did it anyway. That’s why as much as blacks say they ‘hate’ the police, they use them more than any other community.

    The problem is that whites no longer have the will power to control blacks. Blacks can only be controlled with great violence. They are a remarkable people. But white don’t have the will to do it anymore, so blacks are exploding all over the place.

    I thought the best example when when Serena Williams lost her shit in the middle of a tennis match, and you could see she was inches away from climbing that tower and beating up the ref. AND THEN, after she disgraced herself and the entire tournament. The leadership called her “The REAL WINNER”.

    Last week two players on the same football team got into a fight with each other. This week, this boon took off his clothes and bounced around the end zone. The blacks can see that we don’t have the whip hand anymore, and they will take advantage of it.

    There is going to be a lot of bloodshed in the years to come.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @Bill
  61. Wide receivers get a lot of press attention because they tend to be white loser sportswriters’ favorite kind of athletes: loud-mouthed hot-dogging black guys who are tall, good-looking, have muscular but still slim physiques, and think they’re cooler than everyone else. (Note the similarity between wide receivers and many overrated black basketball stars, whom the same sportswriters will also tend to love.)

    In other words, the white self-hating sportswriter (think Bill Simmons) or the Jewish sportswriter who hates whites will love these guys as the cool, awesome alpha black friend they never had and they wish would take down all those Trump-voting whites with loudmouthed antics.

    This exaggerated press attention tends to encourage such players in their public ego trips. When black football players in the 80s began over-celebrating great plays, such sportswriters protected the hot-dogging and poor sportsmanship and celebrated it, thus telling black wide receivers to do it more. Pre-1980s, such hotdogging was discouraged, and black wide receivers didn’t act such a fool; famously, almost all players of the era would casually score and just flip the ball to the official as if it were no big deal.

    Ironically, wide receivers’ egos are inverse to their worth to a team. Wide receivers are the least-important members of any pro football team. Sure, quarterbacks love having a bunch of tall fast guys as easy targets to hit with passes, but a great coach will prioritize the entire defense, the offensive line, the quarterback, the running backs, the tight end, and the kicker before wide receivers.

    Prima donnas have to deliver, and wide receivers deliver little but their own stats.

    I remember the Eagles, after losing the conference championship, famously brought in WR Terrell Owens to “get them over the hump.” The next year, the Eagles made the conference championship…and Owens, who was pouting like a child after a tiff with the QB and coach, faked an injury to sit out. The Eagles won anyway (but lost the SuperBowl), but Owens negated the entire reason he was brought in, which was to win the conference championship. Thus a great proof: prima donna WR behavior + insignificance of the WR when it actually matters.

  62. @Altai

    What “cluster” does obsessive compulsive disorder fall under?

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @res
  63. I don’t follow football obsessively anymore due to declining testosterone levels in old age,

    Hopefully, also because of self-respect.

    Not wanting to follow and support an organization that propagates a blood libel against your people, aids an attack on the rule-of-law and generally works against the continuance of Western civilization.

    Do more stuff with your boys, enjoy your wife more, play more golf, spend more time in your closest. We’ll all be fine without another NFL post.

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @David Davenport
  64. Arclight says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Even if this is the precipitating event, obviously if Arians and staff were willing to cut him there were a lot of other things that preceded this. Seems the story of his career is that eventually coaches get sick of him and his antics/behavior.

  65. ATBOTL says:
    @Jack D

    Jews, blacks and Muslims — three groups that have a cavalier attitude about men sexually assaulting women. What is it about these three groups that they all make excuses for the sexual assaulter? It seems to be low empathy.

  66. @Altai

    OT: But I know people are sick of me talking about it, but the idea that people with cluster B traits tend to prefer each others company …

    For the record Altai, i really appreciate your work and analysis on the social media, girls and cluster B.

    It’s basically impossible for any sentient human being to miss the role of women and social media in the last decade’s increasing hysteria. But for me, a two sentence analysis–civilization requires level headed leadership by responsible, rational men; young women are the least knowledgeable and least rational adults and no society can survive if it treats their nonsense seriously–was sufficient, “close enough”.

    But you’ve done a good job drilling into the particulars, fleshing out the dynamic, in all its BPD glory. Thanks.

  67. @Discordiax

    “Going back to Deion Sanders and Terrell Owens, WRs Are the flashy showboats. ”

    Deion Sanders is known mostly as a cornerback, not a wide receiver. He did play some offense, but his career catch total is 60. Terrell Owens, as a comparison, has over 1,000 career receptions.

    Chad (Ochocinco) Johnson is another wide receiver perceived as a show boater, so he plus T.O. makes two.

    I think I’d start by making a list of the top-25 or so NFL showboat players (all time or current) before I concluded that wide receivers were wildly over-represented.

    • Replies: @res
  68. High time preference.

  69. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sportsball is an entertainment like any other entertainment. Lots of people seem to enjoy this form of entertainment. I can’t say that it’s any better or worse than watching The Bachelor or Oprah.

    You cannot expect grown men to play for your entertainment without paying them something. Back in the day, professional football salaries (and thus egoes) were such that the guys used to have to work other jobs in the off season. Television (instead of 50 thousand people watching you pay, 50 million people can watch you) distorted the economics of sportsball such that these guys are paid an unreal amount of money and the excesses follow from this.

    Sportsball monopolies need to be smashed, not just so there are two competing football or basketball leagues but dozens. This would spread the money (and thus the excesses) out further.

  70. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:

    A) successful football players are seldom prima donnas, and B) if they are, they are likely to be wide receivers.

    Interesting. Do you have some examples of white wide receivers who behave like prima donnas to support your claim? Black ones don’t count, owing to their lack of father’s to raise them issue. Those people will act like prima donnas even as janitors.

  71. @Buzz Mohawk

    Sung to the tune of “Chick Habit” (April March):

    Hang up the sports habit
    Hang it up f****t
    ’Cause the black players only hate your guts

    Hang up the sports habit
    Hang it up f****t
    All the more so the more you kiss their butts

    You’re fruity as a box of loops
    If you’re watching college hoops
    Like a groupie with her groups

    If you remain a football fan
    I don’t savvy how you can
    And still call yourself a man

    [MORE]

  72. Whatever happened to the “flanker”, e.g. Maynard?

    The last WR who I heard of ran off from South Bend to play in Canada (and then heard from no more).

  73. Wake up says:

    There seems to be a lack of diversity in the NFL, especially at the wide receiver position.

  74. @JimDandy

    it’s very dangerous to be a prima donna on a football team because it’s a team sport and “prima donnas” are perceived as narcissistic assholes. My best guesss is wide receivers are no more likely to be prima donnas than cornerbacks

  75. Same with DBs, QBs (you know, DeShaun Watson?), RBs…. As for Brady, how come suddenly when he leaves the Pats where he’s gotten 6 Supe Rings he goes to the Bucs and then they suddenly (after not even winning the NFC South) they win a Supe? Why? Because Pats owner Kraft runs or owns Roger Goodell and considered Brady his “son” (and would rather have kept Brady than Belichick…every Pats fan knows this)… IN other words, AB acts the way he does because most WRs are divas and because the NFL has been rigged since the 30s…gambling, organized crime, and certain owners etc. getting their ways. Visit this site for more details: Brian Touhy’s “The Fix Is In” at:
    https://thefixisin.net (I think that’s the link anyway…I used to follow the NFL, but now it is too damned WOKE!)

  76. @JimDandy

    Mr. Dandy, Steve doesn’t give out the covet Gold Border anymore, but your comment is worthy of the honor, or at least refrigerator quality.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  77. @Pincher Martin

    Pinch, a few games from the playoffs and AJ gets himself tossed from the team. I always wonder if the betting industry, that really likes cannolis, has anything to do with this. Check the odds on TB pre AJ meltdown, and post AJ meltdown.

    • Replies: @Russ
    , @Pincher Martin
  78. @Buzz Mohawk

    Sportsball is the only place such animals and freaks can live profitably apart from crime or unskilled labor. Maybe some of you should consider not supporting it.

    I would love to agree. Unfortunately, sports betting is my most remunerative activity at this point. This NFL season has been beyond spectacular. A few more even half as good as this, I could retire young. So as much as I loath the players, the cuckbrained coaching staff, and the leagues’ anti-white assumptions and values, I need it all to last just a tad bit longer.

  79. @Altai

    Altai, thankfully my daughters choose wisely in their husbands. Secondly, if that was my daughter you iStevers would never hear from me again, no internet in solitary confinement. Count your blessings and stay safe.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  80. Beagle says:

    In the immortal words of Alex Jones, Antonio Brown is “kind of retarded”.

  81. JimDandy says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I appreciate that very much, Mr. Joe. Happy New Year.

  82. Trinity says:
    @silviosilver

    Sellout. Nice. Grow up.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @bomag
  83. Trinity says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Wow. You hit that one out of the park.

    • Thanks: R.G. Camara
  84. Russ says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I always wonder if the betting industry, that really likes cannolis, has anything to do with this. Check the odds on TB pre AJ meltdown, and post AJ meltdown.

    Especially now that gambling and these leagues are joined at the hip. The suspicion is well-founded and fully legitimate. Frankly, I would love to see a fixing scandal fester, burst, and drown sportsball. It has been said that today’s players make too much to be tempted to shave points or the like. My disagreement is on the increase.

  85. “Wide receivers.” The same deal as “teens,” I suppose.

    • Troll: Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
  86. @Dave Pinsen

    Or Julian Edelman. Or Wes Welker. Or…

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  87. @Mike Tre

    LOL @ Plaxico..who nearly shot his junk off when his loaded gat fired in a nightclub.

  88. @Jack D

    Lol. Ryan Leaf did get weeded our eventually.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  89. Gamecock says:
    @Trinity

    Dems have been cultivating personality disorder in Blacks! for over 50 years. Mass psychosis is to be expected.

    BWTM, realclearpolitics says Biden’s approval rating is 42.9. As Blacks! make up only 13% of the population, who are these other 30% who approve of Biden? Mass psychosis extends well beyond Blacks!, to the 30% others who approve of Biden.

    Cirrusly, how FU do you have to be to actually approve of Biden? 42.9 percent of Americans approve of Biden?

  90. FUBSY says:

    Successful ones tend to be more like race horses. Highly fractious. I remember a promising rookie named Reggie Brown, who never did much. A sports writer said it was because he was too nice a guy.

  91. @silviosilver

    Supposedly it is a mentally challenging position requiring knowledge of blocking schemes, the opposing defenses’ blitzes, and the routes and hot routes they have to run.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  92. … they are likely to be wide receivers.

    That’s the characteristic that comes to your mind first?

  93. Anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver

    Is there some natural advantage that whites have at this position or is TE just not cool enough for blacks?

    TEs have to be big because they line up with the OL and do lots of blocking. They have to approach OL level size while having good agility, hands, and solid speed. The pure speed and quickness of blacks is not really an advantage at TE.

    • Replies: @Vitis
    , @nosquat loquat
  94. Pericles says:
    @Tim

    I thought the best example when when Serena Williams lost her shit in the middle of a tennis match, and you could see she was inches away from climbing that tower and beating up the ref. AND THEN, after she disgraced herself and the entire tournament. The leadership called her “The REAL WINNER”.

    After such an ascent, the organizers should have sent up small drones to circle her. It would have been epic.

  95. Mike Tre says:

    “Wide (shakedown money) receiver Nikole Hannah-Jones doesn’t know when the Civil War began.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/1619-project-founder-doesnt-know-when-civil-war-happened

    • Replies: @Curle
    , @bomag
  96. Bill says:
    @Tim

    Blacks can only be controlled with great violence.

    Not really. Jim Crow didn’t involve great violence. It involved rare, directed violence just like enforcement of any other set of social norms does.

  97. Bill says:
    @Jack D

    Sportsball is an entertainment like any other entertainment. Lots of people seem to enjoy this form of entertainment. I can’t say that it’s any better or worse than watching The Bachelor or Oprah.

    The green glowing toxic waste is no better or worse than the orange glowing toxic waste or the red glowing toxic waste. All just a matter of taste.

  98. @silviosilver

    Replace ‘NFL’ with any other entrenched American racket—e.g. the stock market, the real estate market, the banking industry, insurance, big pharma, academia, public education, NGOs, environmentalism, defense contracting, public sector unions, Social Security, Medicare, Affirmative Action—and you just wrote the characteristic emblem of our age.

  99. Trinity says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Oops. I hit the troll button instead of lol for your post.

  100. @R.G. Camara

    I agree with a lot of what you write, but wide receiver is one of the three most important positions on the field. QB, DL, and WR are the premium positions. Look at Clemson, LSU, Alabama the last three years. Next are CB and OL.

  101. Trinity says:
    @Gamecock

    Approval numbers are about as legit as corona virus death stats.

  102. @Jack D

    You cannot expect grown men to play for your entertainment without paying them something. Back in the day, professional football salaries (and thus egoes) were such that the guys used to have to work other jobs in the off season. Television (instead of 50 thousand people watching you pay, 50 million people can watch you) distorted the economics of sportsball such that these guys are paid an unreal amount of money and the excesses follow from this.

    The thing is that I have little doubt that a large percentage of professional athletes in the four major team sports who now play would still play their chosen sport for a much more modest income. I’d wager that 98% of all of the current players in the four major sports wouldn’t make more than \$150K-\$200K at any other occupation anyway, and many would average much, much less over the course of a working life. You don’t get that good without some passion for the game, and the opportunity to keep playing it into adulthood and making an above average (but not immense) income at it would attract the same talent that the leagues now employ.

    It seems to me that at a certain point the Jews who didn’t own sports teams invented the quasi-legal concept of “free agency” and figured out how to get their mitts on the gobs of money that the Jews who did own sports teams were sitting on at that time. Clever upstarts getting a good piece of what was probably largely inherited wealth by the 1970s anyway.

    The former became sports agents, and fed the goyishe kopfs who actually played the games the idea that they were getting taken for a ride (rather than making a good living playing a game). Naturally, the cycle of free agency as a form of “profit sharing” inflated player salaries, which in turn required the extraction of greater revenues from television advertisements and by increased ticket prices. After long if you wanted to take your kid to a game a ticket cost \$150-200 each for father and son, and the Chinese slave-made sneakers that your kid’s sports idol hocks on the television also cost \$150-200 a pair.

    Sportsball monopolies need to be smashed, not just so there are two competing football or basketball leagues but dozens. This would spread the money (and thus the excesses) out further.

    The effect of the antitrust exemption is that the San Francisco 49ers can’t schedule a game against a non-league team put together on the fly by a bunch of guys. Member franchises have to play a schedule against only other teams within the League/Cartel. There is no “monopoly” in the sense that anyone can start their own competing leagues, but they’re historically very unsuccessful.

    Since the NFL-AFL merger in 1966, there has never been a sustained market for a second tier professional football league. The NBA’s G-League, which is full of very good former college players who competed at the highest collegiate level in the NCAA tournament etc. can’t draw flies. Minor league baseball’s popularity is dependent upon the very fact that MLB games have been cost prohibitive for families to attend since the mid to late 1990s, and the leagues emphasize things other than baseball itself to attract attendance (i.e. free food, carnivals with rides inside the stadium, toys and clowns, etc.). And the NHL has gate attendance/ticket sales issues in a substantial proportion of its host cities. Outside of these leagues, additional professional sports leagues would fold regularly, and because of the perceived likelihood of failure by the public would have an impossible time attracting fan bases. The NFL is by far the strongest league of the four in financial terms, and the last proposed competitor league (the AAF) didn’t complete one full season as scheduled before folding.

    This should be a cautionary tale for those people who are agitating to professionalize the high profile NCAA sports (really only football and basketball, and basketball only in March). College fandom is different than professional fandom, and is predicated much more on cheering for the name on the front of the jersey than for the name on the back. Of course it will be ignored as NCAA football and basketball is further corrupted and diminished into a poorly spectated second tier professional league.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jack D
  103. @Ben tillman

    wide receiver is one of the three most important positions on the field. QB, DL, and WR are the premium positions. Look at Clemson, LSU, Alabama the last three years. Next are CB and OL.

    I said pro football, not college.

    College is a different game, due to the younger ages and limited time. The speed and agility of youth and the relative lack of strength in comparison to pros, plus the far less discipline a college kid will have compared to a pro makes the WR more important there. Defenses in the pros are vastly better, faster, and more disciplined, and more experienced, so a great WR isn’t going to dominate them.

    In college, a man-among-boys WR with Olympic speed can dominate due to being a complete physical level up from his peers. In the pros, however, you have the very best of the best, so the WR is just a man among men, and coaching straetgies there can neutralize him.

    • Agree: Listener
  104. Mulegino1 says:

    Maybe he found out the Gatorade wasn’t grape flavored.

  105. @R.G. Camara

    I remember the Eagles, after losing the conference championship, famously brought in WR Terrell Owens to “get them over the hump.” The next year, the Eagles made the conference championship…and Owens, who was pouting like a child after a tiff with the QB and coach, faked an injury to sit out. The Eagles won anyway (but lost the SuperBowl), but Owens negated the entire reason he was brought in, which was to win the conference championship. Thus a great proof: prima donna WR behavior + insignificance of the WR when it actually matters.

    This is bad history. Owens signed with Philadelphia for the 2004 season, and fractured a fibula in December of that same year, an injury which required surgery. He then defied medical advice and returned to the team in time to play in that season’s Superbowl against New England tallying nine receptions for 122 yards in Philadelphia’s losing effort.

    The tiff with McNabb has since been revealed to be much more two-sided, and on Philadelphia sports talk radio Owens is much more fondly regarded than McNabb to this day.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @R.G. Camara
  106. @Barnard

    Years ago I read a book by a former LA Ram of the 70s whose wife told him the players’ wives joke among themselves about what immature little boys their husbands are.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  107. @The Wild Geese Howard

    There’s an old saying/joke that says when the QB gets a bonus, the entire offensive line gets new cars.

  108. J.Ross says:

    –are you conservative or liberal?
    –I’m against slavery.
    [David Brooks before coming out]– Oh, so you’re conservative?
    [David Brooks after coming out]– Oh, so you’re liberal?
    –[smiling from under helm and behind krug]

  109. @The Wild Geese Howard

    A highly successful RB is usually popular among his teammates, praising his linemen and the rest of the players.

    At least this was so when I followed pro football, which I haven’t for some time.

  110. Gamecock says:
    @Ben tillman

    No, dude. It’s a team sport. Try playing with a crappy tackle.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  111. “I don’t follow football obsessively anymore due to declining testosterone levels in old age”

    Wait, what?

    HOF HC OAK John Madden recently passed away at age 85. Of all football insiders, he was as perhaps more obsessively passionate about the NFL as any person over the last several decades. Passion about something does not necessarily equate to youthful energy. Madden proved that one could retain one’s passion and zeal for football well into his 80’s.

    Would tend to think that at least this season, with LA Rams qualifying for the playoffs one would want to remain obsessed over the local team. Is this the year that LA’s storied NFL/NFL franchise finally wins the Super Bowl? At long last? And with the Super Bowl about to be played in their new stadium? Now thats a script that Hollywood would eagerly love to write.

  112. @David In TN

    Wonder if that was during their shopping trips on Rodeo Drive, while driving in their luxury cars, that their immature husbands paid for.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @David In TN
  113. @Discordiax

    The operative word here, is “some”. Back in the day this wasn’t a thing. You never saw HOF SD WR Lance Alworth do that sort of thing. Nor Jerry Rice. And both men are among the greatest WR’s to ever play the game. In Brown’s case and others like him, it appears to be more of a generational thing. They want all the fame and glory right now, while making a video about their TD for Tik Tok.

    • Replies: @Russ
  114. ‘…my impression is that A) successful football players are seldom prima donnas, and B) if they are, they are likely to be wide receivers…’

    They’re blacks, and not being the big dogs, they need to compensate?

    If you’ve ever dealt with blacks, it’s the smaller ones that tend to be physically aggressive. Your basic defensive lineman types have less of a need to prove themselves.

    • Agree: magilla
  115. @Gamecock

    ‘…Cirrusly, how FU do you have to be to actually approve of Biden? 42.9 percent of Americans approve of Biden?’

    I would guess they hear the question as ‘do you still disapprove of Trump?’

    …either that or they’re black.

    • Agree: Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  116. Elizabeth Holmes found guilty! So,there’s that!

  117. @Buffalo Joe

    Pinch, a few games from the playoffs and AJ gets himself tossed from the team. I always wonder if the betting industry, that really likes cannolis, has anything to do with this. Check the odds on TB pre AJ meltdown, and post AJ meltdown.

    Like paying AB off?

    I doubt it. AB has walked away from too much money on too many teams to make him a stable target for gamblers. Money doesn’t seem to motivate his outbursts. The guy walked away from a Raider contract worth \$30 million in guaranteed money over two years despite the fact they were kissing his ass.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  118. Vitis says:
    @Anon

    Blacks with the physique and skills to play TE play basketball instead

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  119. Alden says:

    OT.
    Elizabeth Holmes found guilty 4 counts of defrauding investors.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  120. SafeNow says:

    For a WR personality to exist in the NFL, it is logical to think that it did not materialize there. It was formed in college, and mainly, in high school. My guess is that in high school an anti-fat-zhlub ethos prevented linemen from being admired; although they were on the football team, they were zhlubs, and that controlled. So, the WRs received all of the adoration.

  121. Who is the widest receiver of all time?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  122. @Pincher Martin

    Ian Rapoport said there were 3 performance clauses (receptions, touchdowns, 1 other I forget) worth 333K each that he could have easily gotten to if he had played two more decent games.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  123. @Reg Cæsar

    My guess is William “Refrigerator” Perry, famous as a member of the 1985 Bears that won the Super Bowl: see his stats, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PerrWi20.htm. Yes, he caught only a single pass in his NFL career — but it was for a touchdown. That has to be a record of some kind.

  124. @Alden

    Men of Unz salivating.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  125. Curle says:
    @Mike Tre

    Nor what happened to the negroes who were registered on an 1619 voyage. Nobody does. There is no record. That doesn’t stop her from asserting it as a fact.

    The age we live in.

  126. res says:
    @TorontoTraveller

    You mean like this?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_test#Average_score_in_the_NFL_by_position

    Offensive tackle – 26
    Center – 25
    Quarterback – 24
    Guard – 23
    Tight end – 22
    Safety – 19
    Linebacker – 19
    Cornerback – 18
    Wide receiver – 17
    Fullback – 17
    Halfback – 16

    This has a pretty good list of players, but I don’t see AB.
    https://wonderlictestpractice.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

    Also no Wonderlic here.
    https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Antonio&l=Brown&i=8431

  127. @Altai

    If she has any self-respect, or concern for what he will do to the child when he’s angry at the child, she should shoot this thug dead the next time he strikes or throws her. And where are the f—-g “men” in her family? To the extent allowed by the law, they should give him a lengthy trip to the hospital with permanent disability for what he already has done.

    NFL animals aren’t immune from a group stompdown or gunshots.

    • Replies: @magilla
  128. res says:
    @Mark Roulo

    Here is such a list. Looks like WRs are wildly over-represented in the top 10, but less so in the next 15.
    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/534924-chad-ochocinco-terrell-owens-and-the-25-biggest-showboats-in-nfl-history

  129. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Yes, Terrell Owens played heroically in that Super Bowl.

  130. Russ says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The operative word here, is “some”. Back in the day this wasn’t a thing. You never saw HOF SD WR Lance Alworth do that sort of thing. Nor Jerry Rice. And both men are among the greatest WR’s to ever play the game. In Brown’s case and others like him, it appears to be more of a generational thing. They want all the fame and glory right now, while making a video about their TD for Tik Tok.

    Alworth and Rice are good counter-examples. I would put forth Billy “White Shoes” Johnson of the old 1970s Houston Oilers as the prototype. He was the first one I saw dancing and carrying on in the end zone after a TD, and the sports highlight shows of the era (this was pre-ESPN) couldn’t show enough of it. He, too, was a wide receiver, but his opportunities for Show Business arose from his having led the NFL in punt returns for TDs a few seasons. No coincidence that kickoff/punt returner types are wide-receiverish, and returns for touchdowns offer insurmountable temptation to a narcissistic returner.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  131. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    How many athletes have retired early because they are rich? Buster Posey just retired as the catcher of the SF Giants after an excellent age 34 season, probably because he made so much money off investments (Body Armor for sure and perhaps Silicon Valley money men cut their hero in on some unicorn startups), that making \$20 million per year playing ball wasn’t worth it to him.

    But that seems rare in baseball, where most players keep going until their Wins Above Replacement drops below 0. Occasionally, a few guys walk away while still going strong (Mariano Rivera, Mike Mussina) but usually when they are nearing 40 and the end is inevitable even if they might have one or two more good seasons left. Since catchers don’t need footspeed, they can keep playing into their 40s, so Posey hanging it up rather than come back at 35 is rare.

    I think you are seeing more football players hang it up early: e.g., Andrew Luck.

  132. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    …being a quarterback requires a lot of mature judgment so insane prima donna types tend to get weeded out.

    Aaron Rogers, call your office.

  133. @Steve Sailer

    DET 3B Miguel Cabrera is still playing, and his current contract is up in 2023. The last few seasons his stats have dropped precipitously, yet he has given indications that he isn’t hanging it up until his contract concludes.

  134. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    wens signed with Philadelphia for the 2004 season, and fractured a fibula in December of that same year, an injury which required surgery. He then defied medical advice and returned to the team in time to play in that season’s Superbowl against New England tallying nine receptions for 122 yards in Philadelphia’s losing effort.

    Quite frankly, while this may be “official”, I don’t buy it. Owens used a medical excuse that he could have played through to avoid the conference champ game and the potential that the failure would be on him, but came back for the big stage of the Superbowl when he had a bigger stage to strut on any loss wouldn’t be on him.

    And I hate the “heroic” angle. The dude played football, he didn’t rush into burning buildings. And if he really was self-sacrificing and could gain 100 yards in the Superbowl, he could have come out two weeks earlier and put himself out there to make sure he got them there, which was the reason he was hired. He wasn’t heroic at all, not even sports heroic; he was selfish to the end. Willis Reed he was not.

    Now I’m no fan of McNabb . He was an overhyped black quarterback, typical of the breed. Rush Limbaugh got canned from ESPN for rightfully saying McNabb got hyped by the media for being black and a QB. And McNabb’s Superbowl performance was downright pitiful at the end — instead of hustling his team to the line and motivating his guys to move fast when the 4th quarter hit and the Eagles still had a chance, he was loping about and moving slowly, not a hint of leadership or urgency; he essentially played the way Andy Reid coached, horrible at the end of the game, letting the clock beat his team.

    But Owens was a selfish prick, and he ducked that conference championship to run and hide.

  135. @Gamecock

    Here among the “In This House We Believe” signs, around the time of the Afghan debacle I trolled a neighbor with “the right wing is really dumping on President Biden — as a neighborhood we should put back up our Biden signs to show our solidarity and stand with the President during these difficult times.”

    His earnest reaction was, “Why? Biden is doing great!” He thought my suggestion of putting back the campaign yard signs was silly because he couldn’t fathom why anyone would think there is anything wrong with Mr. Biden. The neighbor, by the way, has a down-to-earth occupation — he designs hot water supply systems for distilleries and pet-food factories.

  136. @War for Blair Mountain

    Let the gd comment through….

    Does it have less than 5000 words? Does your comment have any paragraph breaks?

  137. @Ben tillman

    Anyone who wants to comment on the dissolute criminality of NFL players is thankful for Ryan Leaf and Ben Roethlisberger, without whom it is just be a litany of blegs doing bleg things.

  138. @Steve Sailer

    Early/preemptive football retirements seem to be motivated by health concerns – both CTE sensitivity in the positions most susceptible to accumulated head trauma (i.e., Middle Linebacker Luke Kuechley) or positions for which the player has to carry unhealthy extra weight (Offensive Tackle Joe Thomas, who lost a massive amount of weight quickly after retiring in 2017 after a 10 year career).

    https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/5fe548bb50891af3e3ea5aeb3b4e0ba4?width=650

    My surmise is that baseball is the most itinerant of the four major sports with its extended multi-week road trips, and therefore the least compatible with normal family life. If you had a successful professional baseball career and made enough money in the first few contracts, maybe your priorities shift to wanting to have a normal family life with your wife and children. This is especially the case once your kids are old enough to be rooted in schools and peer groups – at that point, you might have to balance the prospect of changing cities just to remain on an active roster and upsetting your children’s lives versus the welfare of your family. At some point, Mrs. Posey might just tire of young women throwing themselves at her husband in every city on a road stand.

  139. @AnotherDad

    play more golf

    What’s so good about golf?

    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind
    • LOL: bomag
  140. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Anyone who wants to comment on the dissolute criminality of NFL players is thankful for Ryan Leaf and Ben Roethlisberger, without whom it is just be a litany of blegs doing bleg things.

    The NFL is perceived to have a problem with criminal behavior amongst its players, but given its demographic makeup in terms of age and race its players are much more law abiding than the comparable society-wide averages. It’s just that Roger Goodell can’t come out and say “our young black guys are much more disciplined and law abiding than your run of the mill black guys, who – let’s be honest – commit crimes prodigiously, so leave our League alone” because acknowledging overall black criminality is verboten.

    On the whole, getting through the gauntlet to the NFL is going to select for young men with well above average discipline, ability to take direction, etc. against the average. Wide receivers may just be at the margin where sheer athletic ability makes enough of a difference in terms of positive on-field results that it overcomes mercurial and selfish personalities.

  141. @R.G. Camara

    Quite frankly, while this may be “official”, I don’t buy it. Owens used a medical excuse that he could have played through to avoid the conference champ game and the potential that the failure would be on him, but came back for the big stage of the Superbowl when he had a bigger stage to strut on any loss wouldn’t be on him.

    How do you fake a broken fibula, where the team medical staff is going to see and review the X-ray films and radiology reports? Who has ever played multiple weeks in the NFL with a fractured leg bone?

    And it just wasn’t in the makeup of Owens to shy away from pressure and the spot light – otherwise, why not use the “excuse” of a broken fibula to absent himself from the Superbowl?

  142. @Gamecock

    Dems have been cultivating personality disorder in Blacks! for over 50 years.

    More like over 200.

  143. JosephD says:
    @Neuday

    or fidelity, for that matter. Also explains the high rates of single motherhood in the Black communi-tay.

    The single motherhood is a relatively recent phenomenon. As late as 1965 blacks had a lower rate of single parent families than whites do today. I think lack of forward planning is sufficient to explain the differences.

  144. Last February Steve posted an article about research co-authored by Ashiqur KhudaBukhsh at Carnegie-Mellon:

    Youtube Blocks Its Most Popular Chess Expert for Saying Things Like “Black Threat” and “White Must Attack”

    A few months later, Prof KhudaBukhsh was at it again, with a subject even more iStevey:

    AI shows Bollywood obsession with fair skin and sons

    “In the 1950s and 60s, 74% of babies born in films were boys – in the 2000s, that number had come down to 54%. It was a huge jump, but the gender ratio was still skewed,” Mr KhudaBukhsh said…

    The study found that some of the biases remained unchanged – such as India’s age-old affinity for lighter skin.

    Mr Khadilkar told the BBC that when the researchers used a fill-in-the blank exercise to ask: “A beautiful woman should have [BLANK] skin,” the predictive text was consistently ‘fair’. Hollywood subtitles returned similar results, though the bias was less pronounced.

  145. NickG says:

    What’s the Deal with Wide Receivers?

    You need them on the AR10 to accommodate the .308 round whereas the AR15 is configured for the little .233 bunny cartridge, so it can be narrow.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  146. @Russ

    Homer Jones, Giant WR of the 60s, has been said to be the first player to spike the ball. Jones didn’t give the exaggerated spike they do now. He just threw it down.

  147. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    The NFL is perceived to have a problem with criminal behavior amongst its players, but given its demographic makeup in terms of age and race its players are much more law abiding than the comparable society-wide averages.

    This is true, but you can think of another profession with a median salary of 850k that has so much rape, sexual assault, regular assault, accessory to murder, actual murder, etc?

    I won’t say insider trading…

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/06/nfls-kendricks-pleads-guilty-to-insider-trading-scheme.html

  148. J.Ross says:
    @Gamecock

    Check out the Asch (lone dissent vs supported dissent) experiments and Aldous Huxley’s remarks (on hypnosis results in private industry and government research, showing quintiles of suggestibility) — tldr — there is about a third of the population which will walk off the edge of a skyscraper’s roof because you, the media, or a guy in a white lab coat told them to, and if you try to stop them they will fight you. This has been proven to me by the absolute worst Biden numbers showing about 30% approval. They won’t go below that if it comes out that Biden eats kids without using a napkin.

  149. Listener says:
    @Gordo

    OT by a mile; I have no idea what a wide receiver is, but more murders in London in 2021 that any time since WWII.

    Take a look at the pics:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/30-teens-murdered-bloodiest-year-25826800

    I’ll explain by comparison, in today’s America a wide receiver runs “routes” on the football field hoping to be target of a pass thrown by the quarterback. He can run very fast and tends to possess much agility.

    He often gets paid lots of money and has frequent opportunities to distribute his sperm to various baby mamas.

    Now the comparison, 200 years ago in Africa there was no football, but this same very fast and agile African could frequently outrun other Africans that may wish to kill him. Not to mention the occasional elephant and wildebeest stampedes. Those could be very lethal.

    So he usually survived, and thus had frequent opportunities to distribute his sperm to various African bush mamas.

    And this boys & girls is what a wide receiver is. And as a bonus, how “natural selection ” works.

    • Thanks: Gordo
  150. @R.G. Camara

    Is Owens the guy who decided to do some weights in his front yard…. coincidentally with about 100 Press hanging around? Then he gave a dumb/smart arse “press conference “.

  151. Jack P says:
    @anon

    I always thought he must have been a late bloomer as a player. If he really was that good and no Florida power wanted him, that does say a lot.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  152. @silviosilver

    Is there some natural advantage that whites have at this position or is TE just not cool enough for blacks?

    Nah, it’s the other way round. The advantages that Blacks have at WR are less relevant, hence White demographic overweight starts to tell. TEs just need to be faster than anyone bigger(DL and LB) and bigger than anyone faster (DBs) to have success.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  153. bomag says:
    @Trinity

    Agree. It’s like bragging about the money made selling drugs: profiting from another’s weakness.

    There is more useful employment out there.

  154. I don’t follow football obsessively anymore due to declining testosterone levels in old age

    I never thought of this, but I’m sure there is a positive correlation between testosterone and being a fan of football. The only gay person I can think of who is a rabid football fan is Cameron Tucker, and he is fictional.

    Hopefully prosa123 can weigh in.

  155. @Steve Sailer

    Former Penn State and Ravens guard John Urschel retired early to finish his math PhD at MIT–

    Since 2017, Urschel has had an Erdős number of 4. His PhD thesis on Graphs, Principal Minors, and Eigenvalue Problems was completed in 2021 under Michel Goemans at MIT. He is now a member of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton.[24]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Urschel

    • Replies: @fish
  156. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    My impression in high school was that WRs were tall skinny guys who didn’t like getting hit. I used to Pat Fischer them pretty effectively. Rules (in HS) still allowed hitting as long as the ball not thrown (not the 5 yard rule) so I just used to pester them all the time, often when it was obvious they were on back side of the play, unlikely to get the ball, just clearing out. Used to bug them. But I figured it gave me something to do if I wasn’t going to be near the tackle.

    I think the rule changes (sticky gloves, 5 yard chuck rule, and “defenseless”) have allowed more and more attention to WRs, who were still glory hounds back then, but more effectively “kept down”.

  157. fish says:
    @Altai

    Mrs. Stacy demonstrating what happens when the NFL fairy tail is over.

  158. @Vitis

    Kellen Winslow Sr. was a great tight end at Mizzou and in the NFL

  159. Aspiring white cornerbacks are out of luck, but every team seemingly has one white “possession receiver” who hauls in a catch one yard past the 1st-down marker and calmly hands the ball to the ref

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  160. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Generic ghetto rats don’t have influential football fan alums arranging to get charges dropped.

    When it comes to the propensity to get into a bar room fight, I’d expect a pro football player to be especially high-risk because thanks to his strength he expects to prevail. Especially someone of deceptively unremarkable size, like a running back (in a turtleneck so the victim doesn’t notice the 21″ neck before it’s too late).

  161. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    The former became sports agents, and fed the goyishe kopfs who actually played the games the idea that they were getting taken for a ride (rather than making a good living playing a game

    If you are the reason people are forking over big money and in the process you are getting your brain bashed around your skull, at the very least you should be collecting a decent share of the proceeds.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  162. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yeah, AB’s actions were clearly not motivated by money. I think that’s pretty clear.

  163. @Anon

    Ozzie Newsome, one of the best tight ends I’ve ever seen play, was black.

  164. megabar says:

    Wide receivers require the least disciplined type of personality to be successful, because the team suffers the least if a WR screws up or takes a play off.

    Defenses are complex, rely on teamwork, and are only as strong as their weakest link. On offense, lineman, TEs, and running backs are all involved in blocking at the line of scrimmage on most plays.

    If a WR blows his assignment, it’s not usually as catastrophic, and so the ability to make big plays can make up for a lack of consistency.

    Of course, it would be better to both be a good teammate and have big-play ability.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  165. Bernard says:
    @duncsbaby

    “Caged Heat”, a film that could only be made in the era of Drive In movies. These films allowed you to engage in other activities for much of the showing, but still drop in periodically for major plot points. Practical cinema at its finest.

  166. Corvinus says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “Sportsball” is the epitome of masculinity and whiteness, you bigot.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  167. Brutusale says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Burfict was a huge piece of shyte who should have been tossed from the league long before.

    Brown’s former Squealers teammate got some back.

  168. Why bother watching the NFL any more? It’s like watching Basketball. Nothing but preening, arrogant black millionaires who hate the nation and the people who made them rich and famous. Drop it already, and let it wither down to a pathetic husk as it deserves.

    Football without white people isn’t worth watching, or even paying attention to.

    • Agree: Listener, magilla
  169. Brutusale says:
    @Ben tillman

    All the WR decisions are binary.

    Blitz/no blitz: if no blitz, regular route; if blitz, cut route short.
    Zone Coverage/man-to-man coverage: routes vary given the defensive scheme.

    All game planned and not complex. My wide receiver brother used to laugh at how my O-line playbook options were way more complicated than his.

    As the late Dan Jenkins used to say, if football were as complicated as the coaches like to make it sound, these low-rent fuckers couldn’t play it!

  170. I have admiration for anyone who flouts any Covid policy, no questions asked.

    As far as all AB’s history of bad behavior, he benefited the same as Roethlisberger and Burfict, both mentioned above. Exceptional talent covers a multitude of sins in most human endeavors.

  171. Brutusale says:
    @Jack P

    There’s no swamp deep enough that the University of Miami or Florida State wouldn’t drag it for football players.

    I hate to keep bringing up Dan Jenkins about college football, but again he’s on point: “When The University of Miami plays their big intersectional game with Florida State, they should start the game with a car alarm instead of a whistle.”

  172. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The players didn’t make the kind of money in the 70s they did 10-15 years later, much less now.

  173. @kaganovitch

    The advantages that Blacks have at WR are less relevant, hence White demographic overweight starts to tell.

    That was even truer thirty years ago, but whites were much less prominent in this position. Is it just chance variation that over the last decade or so whites have dominated TE or is there something else to it?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  174. @Known Fact

    but every team seemingly has one white “possession receiver” who hauls in a catch one yard past the 1st-down marker and calmly hands the ball to the ref

    It’s time to designate it as a new official position: White Receiver.

  175. @personfellowindividual

    Football without white people isn’t worth watching, or even paying attention to.

    In the realms of harsh but honest: If it got as black and ghetto as basketball I wouldn’t watch it. It’s not that bad yet, and whites still play important roles, so it doesn’t feel like all I’m doing is watching blacks. Also, it helps that the uniforms and helmets cover up so much of the players’ appearance. I’m always doing something else while watching, so immediately after a play is over, I return my attention to that something else and so avoid watching the juvenile “celebration”/posing routines.

  176. @silviosilver

    I imagine really dedicated football players can change their body somewhat over the years to fit the needs of different positions. So, if you are a really good white high school receiver, do you spend years in the weight room trying to build the shape of a wide receiver or of a tight end? In Lance Alworth’s day, you’d figure you have a good shot at wide receiver. But now you might figure your best bet is to bulk up to play tight end.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  177. bomag says:
    @Mike Tre

    She thinks it started in 1865. Maybe she’s right. She’s certainly doing her part to damage her enemies in the ongoing conflict.

  178. magilla says:
    @RadicalCenter

    The lack of men in her family is why is with this guyto begin with.

  179. @Gamecock

    Agreed. Nothing gets accomplished for the good of the offense without a solid O line.

  180. @Ben tillman

    wide receiver is one of the three most important positions on the field. QB, DL, and WR are the premium positions.

    QB is the most important, and if you’d like that QB to not be crippled, Left Tackle is the next most important. If you’re not going to place a premium on LT, then don’t bother getting a good QB; it’ll be a waste of time.

  181. @Mike Tre

    f course espn and the NFL were happy to glamorize his antics and thus was born an entirely new and annoying aspect of the NFL:

    The Irvins, TOs and Chad 85s, etc. of the world are flamboyant figures who are accessible to casual fans, and exciting to female fans. As the NFL moved from actual sport to the business of being an entertainment colossus the market for these players was born and any young up and coming WR can see the financial benefits that accrue to loudmouths and showboats.

  182. @personfellowindividual

    Nothing but preening, arrogant black millionaires who hate the nation and the people who made them rich and famous.

    Most blacks in the NFL are far from millionaires and never will be millionaires. The average career of an NFL player is 3.3 years and average median earnings are around \$3 million, which after taxes, agents’ cut, and the lack of skills for jobs in the “real world” means that these players end up significantly poorer over their lifetimes than the white fans who can afford to buy overpriced tickets to the games.

    Blacks who play pro football are generally speaking the most disciplined, polite, Christian and, yes, patriotic blacks you are likely to meet. Yes, there are bad apples, especially at the skill positions, but on the whole NFL players are formed and molded by the conservative values inherent in the sport and tend to reflect that.

  183. megabar says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    > Blacks who play pro football are generally speaking the most disciplined, polite, Christian and, yes, patriotic blacks you are likely to meet.

    To a degree. It’s true that there is amount of discipline and responsibility you need to have in order to be a pro NFLer, and this weeds out many of the worst people.

    But it’s also true that the way people behave in a society created by others is not the same as the behavior of a society that they create. That is, the NFL still has remnants of white culture, given that coaches are mostly white, most fans are white, and many stars are white — including the de facto leader of most teams (the QB). These remnants may not last as blacks have more time to change things and have a bigger role in coaching and administration, and thus a bigger role in NFL culture.

    • Replies: @dindunuffins
  184. @HammerJack

    BEASTLY! You really can’t make this shit up.

  185. @megabar

    > Blacks who play pro football are generally speaking the most disciplined, polite, Christian and, yes, patriotic blacks you are likely to meet. LMFAO! Are kidding. Wow, talked about being cucked and brainwashed. What, you didn’t notice all those black degenerates on their knees. LOL…

  186. @Trinity

    Also: Milton Bradley, of the Dodgers and other MLB teams.

  187. Brutusale says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The average NFL tight end is more than 4 inches taller and more than 50 pounds heavier than the average NFL wide receiver.

    https://webpages.uidaho.edu/~renaes/251/HON/Student%20PPTs/Avg%20NFL%20ht%20wt.pdf

    So you’d better get a medieval stretching rack to go next to the squat rack!

  188. @Steve Sailer

    Jon Don Loony. As soon as he qualified for the NFL pension, he retired. It is part of his legend.His father was a high level oil executive, so the family had money. Loony then volunteer to serve in Vietnam. Part of his legend.

  189. Gamecock says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I don’t know if what you are saying is true or not. But I think it likely.

    Most pro football players have been playing for up to 10 years or more before getting to the pros. They have lived discipline and hard work for a long time.

  190. res says:

    NFL gets rid of the Wonderlic.
    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/05/report-nfl-abandons-the-wonderlic-test/

    Not sure whether the article or the comments are funnier.

  191. @Peter Akuleyev

    “on the whole NFL players are formed and molded by the conservative values inherent in the sport and tend to reflect that”

    Right.

    E.g., Michael Brown of Ferguson, 6-4 and 290 pounds, wasn’t doing a two-a-days for a football team in August 2014.

    Judging from the impressive performance of blacks in the NFL, having large men with whistles yell at them from age 10 onward is pretty good for them.

Current Commenter
says:

Leave a Reply - Comments are moderated by iSteve, at whim.


 Remember My InformationWhy?
 Email Replies to my Comment
$
Submitted comments have been licensed to The Unz Review and may be republished elsewhere at the sole discretion of the latter
Commenting Disabled While in Translation Mode
Subscribe to This Comment Thread via RSS Subscribe to All Steve Sailer Comments via RSS
PastClassics
Becker update V1.3.2
The Surprising Elements of Talmudic Judaism
Analyzing the History of a Controversial Movement
The Shaping Event of Our Modern World
How America was neoconned into World War IV