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From Taki’s Magazine:

First Slowly, Then Quickly
Theodore Dalrymple

October 29, 2021

The most important question is, What next?—for there will be a next, because transgressive reform is what gives meaning to life in the absence of any other meaning. My money is on incest, against which there is no rational argument these days, given the availability of birth control and abortion and the moral authority of mutual consent.

 
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  1. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    The Whittaker family of Odd, West Virginia (real name of the town):

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Angharad
    , @TelfoedJohn
  2. Frogger says:

    And if real life holds any similarities to films such as Precious and The Color Purple, making incest socially acceptable is a big win for Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity.

    • Replies: @Ebony Obelisk
  3. Anonymous[930] • Disclaimer says:

    But “incest” usually implies some sort of pedophilia or abuse i.e. father raping/molesting daughter, uncle raping/molesting underage niece, etc. Adult consensual incest is so rare and not really something that could be policed.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Mike Tre
    , @Ian M.
  4. FPD72 says:

    When I’m intimate with Mrs. FPD72, isn’t she a “penis containing person?”

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Replies: @SafeNow
  5. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    incest

    I can only hope it’s incest, or bestiality, or some other form of irrelevant perversity worship that I can safely spectate while going on about my life as usual. The clowns inhabiting this clown world society can do with their genitalia as they wish, whether this involves sticking them into animals, their relatives, or merely chopping them off in the venerable tradition of the late 2010s. The more suffering these subhuman abominations inflict upon themselves the more entertainment it will provide to those such as myself standing on the sidelines watching with morbid fascination. As Huitzilihuitl II famously wrote, never interrupt your enemy when it’s chopping off its own genitals and/or sticking them into a cow’s ###.

    This is in stark contrast to some other possibilities such as reparations, race based taxation, (worsening of) unequal protections under the law and other fixations in the same vein that would affect me personally and make it ever more difficult to fulfill my 10 year plan of accumulating enough wealth so I can get the hell out of this shithole and watch its collapse poolside from a safe distance.

  6. Is he blind? Pedophilia. They’ve been on this since the tranny/ preferred pronoun nonsense came in.

    Vox Day has been on this.

    https://voxday.net/2021/11/20/inversion-is-not-cohesion/

  7. Whatever it is, it has to be more deviant than what proceded it, so incest is possible. Incest my be the way to make pedophilia the follow on cause.

    • Replies: @Etruscan Film Star
  8. SafeNow says:
    @FPD72

    When I’m intimate with Mrs. FPD72, isn’t she a “penis containing person?”

    I had the same thought when I read the Taki article. Probably everyone here did. The medical journal, wanting to be woke, should of course have written “penis-possessing person.” But doctors were too busy memorizing science factoids to be competent with words. More broadly, usage mistakes are rampant in most fields. Sometimes it is deliberate. (For example, today’s Wall Street Journal editorial euphemized that Biden’s medical problem is a shortage of “pep” and “vigor.” But very often it is not deliberate; it is just stupidity with words. “Innumeracy” gets a lot of attention. Word idiocy is far worse; in fact, it could start a war.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
  9. Twinkie says:

    Polygamy? “Polyamory”?

    • Agree: ginger bread man
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  10. The Lizard King was just ahead of his time:

  11. Kronos says:
    @Anon

    My old university library had a sizable selection of eugenics literature ranging from the early 20th century to more modern works written by Richard Lynn. I’d say around forty books in total. Some were anti-eugenics but they numbered five or six like Edwin Black’s “War Against the Weak.” Certainly enough books to find interesting but few enough to remain safe from SJWs.

    But one of the older 1920s eugenic books (I can’t recollect the title) contained a chapter that heavily dealt with a Whittaker-like family also located in Appalachia. The language described in the book certainly wasn’t “PC” but objectively correct that inbreeding is a horrible genetic catastrophe. It certainly proved a puff piece for this old Justice Holmes quote.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  12. Mr. Anon says:

    There is already a campaign to normalize pedophilia. The whole tranny-madness is part of that. Of course, that might seem like a harder sell to John Q. Public out in Squaresville, but who’d have imagined we’d be where we are today with WWT.

    And there pretty clearly are moves afoot to normalize satanism. Expect open invocation of the prince of darkness to become a commonplace in this degerate age.

    But those both seem so obvious, so in order to secure my place as the only guy who told you so, I predict the next big thing – the next “civil rights issue of our day” – will be……………………..

    ……………………..Human Sacrifice!

    And, remember, you heard it here first.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Ian M.
  13. Nope. It has no value to them.

    The tranny thing–which i admit i did not see coming; brilliant prediction by Steve–was another opportunity to sacralize another minority and give them the right to rub normie noses in it, make us bow and scrape and attack basic notions about sex upon which the propagation of any society is based.

    Incest is boring. There’s no actual minority. It doesn’t jerk the normies, the majority, around on a leash. A few weirdos would be off doing their incest but no one would have to conform to them. (Ok, some Christian bakers could be legally abused–again.)

    And then there’s the whole issue of how it conflicts not just with bad old Christianity, but with feminism, notions of protection, etc. etc. Bad optics.

    ~~

    No the push will be more minoritarian racialism. More attacks on straight white guys having employment. More, broader demands for employment quotas. More attempts to delegitimize “white laws” being imposed on blacks. More attempts to delegitimize white men and women coupling. Perhaps attempts to insist white women must be dating black or other minority men–or they’re racist.

    More attacks on republican government. Ideas that it is illegitimate for white people to vote to resist minoritarian racialism–a violation of “equal protection” or something. Further erosion on any republican control/feedback.

    And over an above all, further unending attacks on the idea of a nation, with “borders” and “citizens”.

  14. Mr. Anon says:
    @Kronos

    “Three generations of imbeciles are enough” will certainly resonate when one of Joe Biden’s grandchildren runs for high office.

  15. Kronos says:
    @Anonymous

    Thankfully, “Hapsburg Dynasty” cases are extremely few and far between. But it is more apparent in third world immigrant communities especially from Pakistan. If I recall correctly, The majority of genetic diseases linked to inbreeding in the UK involve Pakistanis.

    • Agree: Gordo
  16. Angharad says:
    @Anon

    Every one hates abandoned poor Whites. That family is truly sad.

  17. JackOH says:

    What next? We ought to ask: what came before?

    Oh, I suppose one answer to the second question would be the circumstantial disenfranchisement (or disempowerment) of the straight White Euro-American male by post-WWII hubris, political somnolence, and material goodies.

    They really didn’t know what hit them in the 1960s. They still don’t. They were still reliving, and some still are, their glory days at the Legion post.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
  18. Escher says:

    Incest, pedophilia, bestiality, you name it.

    Biden’s son will be leading the way for the rest of America.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  19. Kronos says:
    @Escher

    Biden’s son will be leading the way for the rest of America.

    Nope, he’ll be too busy becoming America’s new Drug Czar.

  20. Pretty obviously, pedophilia.

    I saw this coming among some “libertarians” I knew back in the ’90s (I use scare quotes because I would define libertarianism as having to do with restraining government, not allowing pedophilia).

    And there was the recent thing in the news about the prof at Old Dominion and its use of the phrase “minor-attracted person.”

    There is an interesting philosophical point here: the OD prof tries to draw a sharp distinction between those who desire sex with minors and those who actually do it.

    Liberals have trouble realizing that not all desires are equal. Some desires are intrinsically bad, and anyone who has such desires should try to extinguish them.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    , @Forbes
  21. @Mr. Anon

    Three generations of imbeciles are enough
    OK Holmes. Round by here that’s fightin’ talk.
    Fite me ya c***.
    And leave m’fambly out of it.

    Wonder who’d turn out the (situationally) fittest? One on one.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  22. JimDandy says:
    @Twinkie

    Yeah. Isn’t (adult) incest kind of already ok with the woke progressive set? I’ve been waiting for the ironic moment when most of the feminists who were bitter enemies of Christian polygamy become passionate defenders of Muslim polygamy. Maybe that’s already happened, I don’t know.

    I guess maybe normalizing male-on-male, female-on-female, and female-on-male ephebophilia will be the next big ones–while, at the same time, still crucifying middle aged men who fuck women in their 20’s, because the patriarchy.

    • Replies: @Herp McDerp
    , @nebulafox
  23. Kronos says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Overtime I’ve accepted Curtis Yarvin’s assessment that politicians (with notable exceptions) are more for show really than for anything else. In that regard the Bidens, Kennedys, etc, can go all out. In dog shows you can interbreed all you want.

  24. @R.G. Camara

    Pedophilia has been the one transgression that has definitely been losing over the decades, so, with that being left as the one thing you can safely oppose, lots of people get worked up over it as the coming danger.

  25. It’s hard to imagine pedophilia being championed successfully because children are so obviously not able to give consent.

    One thing that’s missing here in analysis here is that WWT differed from gay rights in being about identity. Not just, “I have the right to do this behavior with another consenting adult” but “you must accept my assessment of who I am”. That is a fundamental difference, despite both being under some LGBTQ umbrella. The thread tying all the LBGTQ together is their opposition to normal life and traditional morals. I think the next big thing could be anything in that regard and may not be about sex per se.

    As for incest, it is already appearing on internet porn sites. Not real incest, but scenarios. My impression is that the breakdown of many families and their recomposition with new marriages or live-in boyfriends, etc, has seriously blurred what it means to be a parent for many young people, possibly contributing to sexualization of those relationships.

    I’m guessing that things may pivot away from sexual revolution toward redefining what the rights of families are or what constitutes legitimate family. I’m not exactly sure what form that would take, but perhaps the government intervening to prevent parents raising theur children with unapproved opinions. This is already starting in the UK, and teachers unions in the US would champion it.

  26. Anon[453] • Disclaimer says:

    MacKenzie Phillips! Got pregnant but has an abortion, paid for by dad.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_Phillips#Relationship_with_father

  27. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a huge ick factor, but I’ve always though the “consenting adults” thing makes it hard to argue with (for adults).

    Also, if you get gay marriage, it’s hard to argue with licensed polygamy, either.

    • Agree: Seneca44
  28. @Yancey Ward

    Whatever it is, it has to be more deviant than what proceded it, so incest is possible. Incest my be the way to make pedophilia the follow on cause.

    Yes, it feels like incest is already moving up in the charts. How long till it becomes the next focus of the social justice moonbats? At the rate things are evolving, maybe three years. Or two. Or …

    Next, animal love. We will protest that animals cannot give consent. Really? Cue the stories about seductive chickens …

    Well, that’s the lot. Nothing left after those. What? What? Corpse love? Men have coupled with corpses going back to the Cro-Magnon era, their skeletons make that clear. And it continues. Just the other day, a mortuary attendant admitted having it off with some 40 deceased morgue guests. (He’ll get off with a light punishment; in each tryst with a post-mortem partner, he wore a condom and a Covid mask.)

  29. “I WAKE and feel the fell of dark, not day.”

    Explaining myself to my wife, after one of my early morning bombastic denunciations of the world, is like climbing down from a fight, it’s so humiliating to have to spell out in laymen’s terms the sheer insanity of the media we inhabit. It feels like Dalrymple is attempting the same elaborate explanation for his inability to put into words what is happening before his incredulous eyes.

    In China they must be laughing that the West rolls out these celebrated huge intellects like Theodore, Theodore of all Protestant Christian names!

    How intellectually cerebral is that name: THEODORE!?

    Followed by…DALRYMPLE!!

    To explain what, to the Chinese, is a simple fact of biology?

    And for all the rest of us is still the same simple fact of biology, except for the fact we’re too scared to admit it, openly.

    How does it take a 1,209 word essay on a barely read rag recycled on a webzine to point out the bleeding obvious?

    People put themselves through all sort of torture not to admit alcoholism. Functional alcoholics are the worse: we are able to excel where others fail, all the while seriously bent out of shape.

    How does the intellectual essayist exist with him or herself, after putting a thousand words or more into an obvious problem and come out with no solution? Is there an easy psychiatric umbrella term to collapse the phenomena under a catch-all phrase so we can all co-exist under our equally determinedly blind collapse into primitive decay?

    I appreciate the fact that Dalrymple has at least attempted to grapple with the problem, but I know it won’t be from our intellectual class the solution will come because they are too far up their own arse with financial funding from vested interests to ever be of any use. In fact, I think that’s why we are where we are: because people are venal and easily bought: they have no true centre of belief in Truth .

    Truth that is incalculable in worth. Truth that is the very quintessence of who we are as a people.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
  30. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I think that pedo, strictly defined, refers to young children, certainly prepubescent. There are different terms for each age group. Blanchard wrote something about this, and I think he coined one of the terms. The important thing is, in real life paraphilias have constraints. There aren’t guys who like both prepubescent and pubescent girls, for instance. When California legalized certain adult-minor relationships for the gay community, critics called it pedo, but it wasn’t except in the broad, non-technical sense. If pedo is legalized, it would be in the Jerry Lee Lewis sense, not small kids. In other words, for most states it would just involve rolling back the law a few decades.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara, TWS
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
  31. IHTG says:

    This has been discussed before, but I don’t think there will be a “next” as such. We’re in an era where wokeness is consolidating its gains, not staking out new ones. The fight is about carving out budgets and enacting regulations. Rubbing it in the normies’ faces.

    In any case, it won’t be about pedophilia or incest, which are about sexual excess within the context of family rather than the masturbatory insecurities of atomized moderns.

  32. @JimDandy

    I guess maybe normalizing male-on-male, female-on-female, and female-on-male ephebophilia will be the next big ones …

    “Next”? Long ago! Remember, the original version of Eve Ensler’s The Vagina Monologues contained a segment called “The Little Coochie-Snorcher That Could,” about the alcohol-enabled lesbian seduction of a thirteen-year-old girl by an adult woman. It concluded with the line “If it was rape, it was a good rape.”

    (Current versions of the presentation either omit that line and raise the girl’s age to sixteen or else drop the segment altogether.)

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @R.G. Camara
  33. @Chrisnonymous

    Pedos will find their place in our world because we are on an undivertable trajectory downward into primitive barbarism.

    There is nothing that’s happened in the last 50 years or more to suggest that anyone or anything will stand in the way of this inexorable slide.

    But hey, anything can happen, sometimes it does, but if you follow the track there’s a constant consistency to form holding true: wins beget wins. Losses follow losses.

  34. Some years ago I read a droll short story — I think by John T. Sladek, and I don’t recall the title — that cast Jocasta and Oedipus as modern, sophisticated New Yorkers discussing, while reading The Times at breakfast, their discovery that they actually are mother and son. They decide not to tell the kids anything about their parentage until they’re old enough to go off to college.

  35. JimDandy says:
    @Herp McDerp

    The pedophilia of “the alcohol-enabled lesbian seduction of a thirteen-year-old girl” was fixed by “Rais(ing) the girl’s age to 16.” and putting the act right into the sweet spot of ephebophilia.

    I forgot that the progressives will have to learn to love the common Muslim practice of marrying minors, too. So…

    I imagine the logic will go basically as follows: “All straight white men are child molesters, and only straight men can be child molesters. This is because we live in a white supremacist patriarchy, wherein true love can occur between drunk middle aged lesbians and young women who are mature enough to have a driver’s license, but any type of heterosexual relationship involving a white male and young woman would (because of structures and power imbalances and stuff) be rape.

  36. @Chrisnonymous

    It’s hard to imagine pedophilia being championed successfully because children are so obviously not able to give consent.

    That’s where the Tranny Workaround comes in. The argument is (or will be) that if a child can choose its sex then certainly s/he can decide to “choose” adult partners.

  37. @Herp McDerp

    Not only that, Ensler herself has threatened to sue anyone who puts on the play in its original form. It seems that the woke brigades told her to hush up her pedo obsession lest she actually offend the normies.

  38. transgressive reform

    Theodore Dalrymple ( AKA Dr Anthony Daniels ) is known for his careful use of words, even when I was reading his work – under his real name – in the 1980s. So it is disappointing that he should use this misnomer. Reform is an improvement, whether to a person’s behaviour or some social institution or structure. This is not transgressive reform, it is transgressive deformity.

    It is not only individuals’ behaviour that it is being deformed. it is society itself. The results are all around us. Just look at the characters of the Antifa scum that attacked Kyle Rittenhouse.
    Deformitas. Si monumentum requiris, circumspice.

    • Agree: JackOH, Farenheit
    • Replies: @Ray
  39. @Steve Sailer

    I would say it’s a race between pedo, polygamy and incest. I think they’ll push down all three lines.

    With pedo, remember there is very easy increments to move in.

    You’re not arguing for pedophilia, you just want the age of consent lowered by a year, is that so crazy?

    Then start churning out filth on Netflix about 14 year olds desperate for love from good looking 18 year olds, but the mean ol’ patriarchial system won’t let them be! Free the children! Love must win! Keep dropping it by a year as you start racking up wins. Young teens are obviously super impressionable (hell if you can sell them on cutting their own balls off you can sell them on anything), so sell it to them that they’re missing out bigtime by not being able to get it on with their teacher, and they’ll start clamouring for it and you can pretend once again you’re on the side of the oppressed who can’t get the love they deserve because of the evil traditional culture they live in.

    Heck, at least this time they’ve got some historical precendent. I think the age of consent in Australia was 13 back in the early 1900’s before we moved it up to 16.

    Don’t write the pedo’s off yet Steve, and don’t assume they’ll try and jump straight to ravaging toddlers. They’re already shredding parental rights over trans, so the ground has been laid for the pedo-push. Lefties know how to win, and the year-by-year ratchet is the play.

    • Thanks: Etruscan Film Star
  40. Puremania says:

    This question is making me flash back to when junkie poet Jim Carroll and his band tore the roof off of Tuts in Chicago back in ’79 touring the Catholic Boy record. At the end, when most performers tell the audience “Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen, good night” he instead waited for the noise to settle, glared out at the crowd, and then, as if he was talking to a room of six year olds, said “What’s next? They’re gonna parachute your asses to the holy land!” and walked off.
    As for 2021, as far as socio-sexual stuff on the horizon, yes, it could be incest. I’ve asked many who defend gay marriage to tell me what argument for that doesn’t also justify incest marriage, and no one has given me any (much pointing-and-sputtering, though). I don’t really trip about it. Richard Dawkins wrote, in discussing the Hawaiian monarchy, that enough iterations will select against deleterious recessive genes.
    The two other things that are now as intellectually bouyant as gay marriage and transsexualism were 50 years ago are pedophilia and bestiality. Ethicist Pete Singer says people not making it with an orangutan are speciesist. Well, hey, our forebears did get with Neanderthals, I bet that was a big scandal. But like with incest, not for me (!).
    Pedophilia has a culture-bound definition. Steve, you’re right that it’s a big taboo, but don’t underestimate the need by our elites to Islamify the west: Afghans are arriving at Fort McCoy with child brides (I’m sure some are boys), and many of Our Betters will want to rationalize and normalize that. Americans are just going to have to decide between diversity and age-of-consent norms.
    My own answer to What’s Next? It’s none of these. I think all these social questions will be overridden by the phenomenon of Green Tyranny and the ensuing decline of the W.E.I.R.D. The young are now well rehearsed to be Working For The Clampdown.

  41. Incest tends to be a Red State vice. Most popular in patriarchal religious communities. Not much incentive for the elites to normalize it, although there is a Muslim angle they could take.

    The left has been trying to push polyamory.

  42. Andrew M says:

    Surrogacy. It’s already popular with wealthy Hollywood starlets, afraid of missing out on big movie roles. How long before ordinary Fortune 500 companies persuade their female employees to let somebody else bear their child, so that they can stay at the office longer?

    There’s some pushback on moral grounds, but surrogacy has fewer opponents than abortion (perhaps because it’s less common).

  43. @Anonymous

    I can only hope it’s incest, or bestiality, or some other form of irrelevant perversity worship that I can safely spectate while going on about my life as usual

    I see a move toward bestiality combined with the expansion of legal marriage. Someone wants to “marry” his/her Shetland pony or Chihuahua. After all, “Love is love.”

  44. Gordo says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Incest tends to be a Red State vice.

    Are there statistics which back that up?

  45. Gordo says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “Three generations of imbeciles are enough” will certainly resonate when one of Joe Biden’s grandchildren runs for high office.

    I’d imagine they might be brainy enough, they’re all Jewish. Except the one Hunter had with a stripper.

  46. @Steve Sailer

    Only heterosexual pedophilia. Just watch, they’ll change the age of consent to 7 or 8, but only for homosexual acts. In the name of protecting “LGBT children”, of course.

  47. Dan says:

    Incest, thy time is approaching. Billionaire marries his granddaughter in order to evade inheritance tax.

  48. MEH 0910 says:
    @Steve Sailer


    [MORE]

  49. Jon says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    As for incest, it is already appearing on internet porn sites.

    I was going to post the same thing. But I don’t think its organic – caused by the breakdown of families and the increasing number of people living as a “family” with people that aren’t blood relatives – it’s being pushed. Everytime I see someone bring it up, it’s to complain about it or ask why it’s so common. This isn’t a demand driven phenomenon.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
  50. nebulafox says:
    @JimDandy

    “Polyamory” does have a subculture in tech/rat heavy areas like the Bay and Seattle. However, even among geeks, the amount of men willing to resort to sharing a woman is pretty limited (the men and women who are “poly” lean heavily unattractive), so they’ll be running up against a barrier there. It’ll have to be the other way around.

    Outright polygamy is my bet. That’s not to say they’ll try pedophilia, especially given the well entrenched culture of underage sexual targeting among America’s elites. But judging from what happened to that professor recently, I don’t think the public is ever going to be cudgeled on that one. Incest and pedophilia just have way too strong of a gut biological disgust trigger, and pose a real threat to the gene pool in a way that homosexuality, whatever you think of the morals involved, does not.

  51. nebulafox says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Far less of a red state vice than pedophilia is a blue state one.

  52. FozzieT says:
    @Anonymous

    Unfortunately it’s not going to be either/or. It’s going to be both/and.

  53. JackOH says:
    @AnotherDad

    AD, I think you’re right. Comment #5 by A332 also hits it. I don’t think the average White American understands the extent to which he’s internalized and been totally cowed by Black Supremacism. I know Whites–we probably all do–who are okay with legitimizing the post-Floyd arson and violence, yet get completely frazzled by the Rittenhouse verdict.

    We’ve had a racially radicalized Bizarro America for a half-century, but most Americans just cave and accept.

    • Agree: NickG
  54. It is shocking that the age of consent in New York is still 17 years-old. In most states the age of consent is 16 while in most of Europe the age of consent is 14

  55. @Frogger

    Incest is done by white people

  56. @MEH 0910

    Joseph Rosenbaum, also known as “JoJo” by Mark Ruffalo, molestated and raped five separate boys between the ages of 9 and 11.

    How the hell was this guy on the street?

    In any healthy society, a man found raping actual boys (or for that matter girls) would simply be killed. This POS is on the street?

    Kudos to Kyle.

    A society that does not understand the appropriate use of violence to enforce its norms, or its border, is doomed.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Reg Cæsar
  57. rebunga says:

    Fun fact:. “scultimidomus” is a Latin word that means “asshole bestower.”

  58. Travis says:

    Next up is mandates for the booster shots. The vaccines have failed, just as masks failed and you will need a third shot to be considered fully vaccinated. Despite the temporary success of the vaccines, it is now clear that the efficacy fades after 6 months. Pfizer claims a third dose is required to maintain immunity. The FDA agreed and now the third shot will be mandated in order to work or attend school or go shopping or eating at restaurants. This is already the case in Europe, which also mandates N95 masks. Cloth masks are prohibited in Europe. Israel has been leading the world in vaccinations and began mandating the boosters back in August.

    Despite 80% of adults being vaccinated in the United States, COVID fatalities are higher in the US in 2021 than 2020 when the virus was novel and we had no effective treatments. Excess deaths are also higher in 2021 compared to 2020.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    , @HA
  59. StevenZ says:

    The sex aspect is horrible in an obvious way, what I wonder about is the power angle. If we can’t take down a member of the elite if he gets caught with a child, we can’t take him down for anything.

  60. Kronos says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    The “Wrong Turn” film series focuses on a family of inbred cannibals that are quite resilient to pain and possess superb murdering skills. I’d consider the series “highly problematic” due to Hollywood incorporating every Appalachia stereotype imaginable into the series.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  61. Ray says:
    @Verymuchalive

    I take your point in general , but I am sure that for the good doctor , reform is a term of abuse.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  62. @Steve Sailer

    As night follows day, gay adoption has followed in the footsteps of gay marriage.

    When homosexuals “couples” are “raising” young boys, guess what? You already have pedophilia. You’re only waiting on formal acknowledgment and acceptance.

  63. Rob says: • Website

    Incest is unlikely. The someone’s-name effect means people are viscerally disgusted by the thought of having sex with parents and siblings that they lived with growing up.

    I have heard though that siblings who did not grow up together sometimes feel strong attraction when they meet. That might just be an internet rumor, though.

    I think Steve’s right that polygamy will be the next big sexual and social change. It does not elicit visceral disgust and has the cover of “people of color” and “respecting other peoples’ cultures.” The latter will still allow feminists to rail against breakaway Mormons’ polygamy because it is not an “expression of deep culture” or somesuch.

    Perhaps the push will be through polyamory? I have seen polyamorous relationships described as a promiscuous girl and her really unhappy boyfriend, but have never known polyamorous people. In a sense, gay men are frequently poly with a very large group.

    Either alien culture or leftwing lifestyle paths probably get us there Polygyny seems to be the only stable one, as male sexual jealousy and emotionally distancing oneself from a promiscuous woman. Female sexual jealousy is also a thing, and Islamic polygyny only flies because women have little freedom, and resources are extremely unevenly distributed in the Arab world. I doubt that many Muslim women raised in America are entering into polygamous relationships. The pull of western culture and autonomy are just too strong.

    On the other hand, we might see the “grooming” of children to be in polygamous relationships. Not necessarily with the groomer, though. Like, maybe the regions Muslims all concentrate in one area and send the kids to Muslim private schools. I could see kids in high school getting used to polyamory. In some small schools, boyfriends and girlfriends change so quickly that they might as well be called polyamorous.

    Finally, I am pretty sure Muslim polygamy is somewhat rare in practice. African polygamy is not, nor is it limited in the number of wives. On the other hand, I think it’s mostly in rural areas and they are unlikely to immigrate. Maybe rich African men have lots of wives? They might want to immigrate and be smart enough to do it.

  64. Mike Tre says:
    @Anonymous

    Underage does not equate to pedophilia. Sex with a 15 year old does not fit into the definition of pedophilia. You need to be more specific.

  65. @Peter Akuleyev

    Incest tends to be a Red State vice.

    Evidence?

    Going by consanguinity laws and genetic disorders due to genetic attenuation, incest looks to be most intense in certain parts of Brooklyn and Manhattan.

    But given the rate and type of immigration, certain neighborhoods of Minneapolis and Dearborn may soon overtake them.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  66. @Anon

    Why do they look like arrest pics of Antifa?

  67. America is the Global Homo Pederast Empire. What do you think was going on at Subic Bay?

    Vietnam…a top destination for newlywed homos…

    Thailand….Pete Buttplugs favorite pederast vacation….

    America is a rotting decomposing corpse….

    I blame the interaction of White Male CEO Megapower+Sex Drugs and Rock and Roll for the Social and Cultural Filth….All of it….

  68. @R.G. Camara

    Agree.

    Journalist Auron MacIntyre has meme he deploys whenever a Leftocrat starts normalizing pedophilia. MacIntyre has occasion to deploy the meme several times per week.

    From just the last four days:

    [MORE]

    Oops, missed an opportunity:

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @El Dato
  69. nebulafox says:
    @Rob

    >Finally, I am pretty sure Muslim polygamy is somewhat rare in practice.

    Depends on the country. Some countries make it outright illegal (Turkey-thank you Ataturk), in some, it is theoretically legal but very rare and socially frowned upon (Iran), in some, it happens on the down low with “secret” second wives and often foreign husbands from wealthier Muslim countries (Indonesia), in some, it is out there in the open (Saudi Arabia).

    Of course, to have multiple wives in the 21st Century and maintain a bourgeois lifestyle or higher, you need a lot of money. One interesting detail is that rich Hong Kong and Taiwanese businessmen used to keep secret de facto second wives and families on the mainland much like how some Singaporean Malays still do in Sumatra, but that has all but disappeared due to the wealth gap closing in the last couple decades.

    >. In a sense, gay men are frequently poly with a very large group

    Gay male sex culture is a real life example of what truly happens when you have raw male sexuality operating under no female constraints or censure.

  70. nebulafox says:
    @AnotherDad

    If the Left wants to wear the mantle of a child abductor, a boy rapist, a lady beater, and a burglar, let them. They’ll only hurt themselves.

    Never interrupt your enemies as they set themselves on political fire.

    Also, take up Ms. Kizer’s case. We should be against all degenerates.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  71. Polygamy, because some immigrants like it.

  72. @AnotherDad

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  73. Geschrei says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    It’s hard to imagine pedophilia being championed successfully because children are so obviously not able to give consent.

    Serious question:

    Is there any real quantifiable difference between a 5 year old giving his/her consent to sexual activity with an adult and that same 5 year old giving his/her consent to permitting an adult to administer medical treatments with an intent to prevent normal biological sexual development?

    Remember, the latter is considered by a significant percentage of the population as an inalienable human right, protected by the Constitution.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  74. @Steve Sailer

    Doesn’t mean the more intemperate members of the left still won’t try. Just imagine the smug satisfaction of the “burn it to the ground leftist” thinking about seeing a normal white father being tossed in jail for “discrimination” for interfering with some middle aged nambla member trying to “date” his 10 year old son. Not much more absurd than Canada jailing the father objecting to leftist commissars turning his underage daughter into a man.

  75. I have long thought this myself, seeing as the primary argument that people advance against incest (apart from the ‘yuck factor’ which is like a red rag to a bull as far as liberals are concerned) is the possibility that the child will have disabilities.

    The problem with this is that it is an argument based on eugenics, which is one of the biggest no-no’s in the liberal ethical code. Add to this this the fact that incest weakens and pollutes family relationships, one of the primary goals of leftism, and you can see that there are reasons to see this as something which is almost inevitable. Furthermore, if you are using the possibilities of handicap as a primary argument, then this is almost like saying that heterosexual sex and relationships are the ‘real’ form of sex and relationships, because what about two related men having sex–is that going to be banned as well, and if so how are you going to argue this case?

    A weird fact about incest laws is that in Germany it is illegal to have sex with a close relative, but it is legal to have a sperm donation from a father or brother and use this for IVF. I assume that this was done by the Germans as a way of breaking the link between incest morality and evilnazi eugenics. The fact that they felt the need to do this is interesting in itself.

  76. @MEH 0910

    Look out behind you
    JoJo’s got his gun
    He wouldn’t mean to, but
    You know he likes his fun

    JoJo dig those pre-teen boys—
    All the more so if they’re goys—
    Below him
    JoJo treat ’em like they’re toys
    You know him

    [MORE]

  77. Whatever happens “next” will not have anything to do with sex. It will be more about normalizing the arbitrary exercise of power and subverting the rule of law through the economic cancellation of “problematic” people. I would watch for a growing number of intellectuals demanding the right to play games with the value of money and to nullify contracts and titles. Calls for a digital dollar the value of which can be manipulated up or down based on social credit scores (i.e. Wokemon points) will increase, as will the mooting of reparation schemes that involve the direct transfer of property to minority grievance groups.

    Thankfully, I think all of this will be short lived and will not get very far. Wokeism is past its peak; the surplus capital that fueled it has been used up. I can’t imagine that Americans will have much patience for this sort of thing once we all find ourselves in real economic hardship.

    This is not to say that better days are coming. In fact, the days ahead of us will be worse than today in many ways, but not in this particular way. The exhausted fag-end of the American Century coughed up Wokeism as a sort of disgusting monument to its own success, but it is of a piece with the supposedly salubrious ideals of yesteryear (e.g. individual rights and liberties), and that is why it has proven surprisingly difficult to dislodge. Somewhere deep down inside, we all know that curing this disease means killing the patient. The three Davids (Brooks, French, and Frum) are correct: Drag queen story hour really is America and it always has been—and that is why America must be destroyed.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  78. Dr. X says:

    If we follow the (bogus) precedent that there is a “constitutional right” to homosexual marriage, then there is no longer any legal argument to be made banning incestuous or polygamous marriages.

    Muslims and Mormons will be the first to sue for polygamous marriages, and probably win.

    There seems to be little if any lobby for sexually incestuous marriages, but I could easily see people demanding to marry family members for tax purposes and health insurance purposes. Sons will marry their fathers to avoid estate taxes and income taxes.

    I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already: the same-sex marriage case U.S. v. Windsor was basically a tax liability case in which lesbians demanded, and got, spousal income tax and estate benefits.

    “Love is love,” right?

  79. @PhysicistDave

    Well said, that last line is quoteworthy.

  80. @SafeNow

    The main place where “Innumeracy gets a lot of attention” while no one thinks “Word idiocy is far worse; in fact, it could start a war” is Unz.com.

    Semper STEM!

    • Replies: @SafeNow
  81. @AnotherDad

    “Incest is boring. There’s no actual minority. It doesn’t jerk the normies, the majority, around on a leash. A few weirdos would be off doing their incest but no one would have to conform to them.”

    Indeed. Incest can hide in plain sight (eg. Chinatown). It could easily be practiced by Joe Sixpack’s family in Anytown and none would be the wiser.

    Old-style “tolerance” was about keeping up appearances: don’t frighten the horses, behind closed doors, keep govt out of our bedrooms, etc. Don’t ask don’t tell. No witchhunting.

    Wokeness is about not “tolerating” what stays behind closed doors, but “celebrating” it — i.e., parading around in public, demanding acknowledgment as “normal,” baking cakes.

    Traditional Arab societies (likely all traditional societies) tolerated homosexuality by ignoring it and not talking about it. Western “modernizers” demand parades and teaching it in schools, provoking a fundamentalist backlash (as in many other issues).

    Actually, the best position to “promote” incest would be the traditional tolerance one, given, as the article suggests, modern birth control, abortion, etc. Sex no longer guarantees childbirth, so incest (if consensual) would be another “my body my choice”, “whatever doesn’t harm another person” etc. situation. As you say, it provides no fuel for the Woke movement.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  82. @Mr. Anon

    We dodged a bullet with Jeb.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  83. @JackOH

    ” the circumstantial disenfranchisement (or disempowerment) of the straight White Euro-American male by post-WWII hubris, political somnolence, and material goodies.”

    Another place where the much-demonized (here) Frankfurt School was right, being after all far more in the European high cultural tradition than America was. Postwar prosperity bought off the stupid, greedy, materialistic workers with money and toys, preventing the revolution. They were only angry that they weren’t the ones that benefited from the scam; instead, global capitalism won. Wokism isn’t Marxism.

    • Agree: JackOH
  84. @Chrisnonymous

    “It’s hard to imagine pedophilia being championed successfully because children are so obviously not able to give consent.”

    True, but the main, and so far successful, technique of the Phoenicians, from Marx through Freud to today, is “Yes, that may seem true superficially, but if you really think about it, real reality is entirely different.”

    Whenever a Phoenician says “Really think about it” he means “Fall for my sophistry.”

    “Left” or “Right.”

    Eg, Randianism: “If you really think about it, selfishness is a virtue.”
    Eg., Wokism: “When a White boy kills two White guys, it’s really systematic racism”

    Going back to the Cabala, the idea is that there is a secret structure behind “reality” which is the real reality, and is accessible only by smart guys,

    What are you going to believe, goy? A super-IQ Phoenician, or your crude, lying eyes?

    • Replies: @IHTG
  85. @Anon

    “If pedo is legalized, it would be in the Jerry Lee Lewis sense, not small kids. In other words, for most states it would just involve rolling back the law a few decades.”

    I’ve never understood the hysteria over a “crime” that differs from one state to another. Some guy could be Gov. of New Hampshire and be a “vile degenerate sex criminal” in Vermont.

    True story: I once met a guy whose supposed mastery of age of consent laws in New England states made him a valuable companion on Animal House-style road trips. What happens in Vermont stays in Vermont. (I may be remembering the states wrong, but that’s why he was so useful).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @HA
  86. Brutusale says:
    @Kronos

    The X-Files series had a riff on the topic. I still think this episode is the most disturbing of the entire series.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_(The_X-Files)

    • Agree: Kronos
  87. Mr. Anon says:
    @nebulafox

    If the Left wants to wear the mantle of a child abductor, a boy rapist, a lady beater, and a burglar, let them. They’ll only hurt themselves.

    Perhaps Antifa can take up “Das Joseph Rosenbaum Lied” as it’s anthem.

  88. My money is on incest, against which there is no rational argument these days, given the availability of birth control and abortion and the moral authority of mutual consent.

    Not to mention “same-sex marriage”. Not only are consanguinity bans pointless there, they violate the concept of equality. It’s obvious why (opposite-sex) fraternal twins are not allowed to marry. It also used to be obvious why identical twins weren’t.

    The rationale for the latter ban has been destroyed. Not just for twins, but for triplets.

    By the way, the Obergefell decision doesn’t apply to Indian reservations:

    At least twelve reservations specifically prohibit same-sex marriage and do not recognize same-sex marriages performed in other jurisdictions; these reservations, alongside American Samoa, remain the only parts of the United States to enforce explicit bans on same-sex couples marrying.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_tribal_nations_in_the_United_States

    The Yurok Reservation has more say in the matter than does the Republic of California!

    The Navajo and the Hopi have different policies. When a same-sex couple drives through northeastern Arizona, not only does their time zone change every few miles, so does their marital status!

  89. @Peter D. Bredon

    Some guy could be Gov. of New Hampshire and be a “vile degenerate sex criminal” in Vermont.

    Isn’t it more likely to be the other way around?

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  90. nebulafox says:
    @James J O'Meara

    >Traditional Arab societies (likely all traditional societies) tolerated homosexuality by ignoring it and not talking about it.

    Explicit Biblical/Qu’ranic antagonism aside, my impression is that the medieval Islamic World (along with Byzantium) in practice inherited much if not all the ancient Greco-Roman-Persian notion of defining male sexuality based on who was the active partner. Homosexuality in the sense of a full-time identity was still well over 1000 years away. It was taken as “normal” that adult men would be attracted to what Byzantine monasteries called “the beardless”, with the gender being up to individual preference, and that fornication was fornication, regardless of who it was with. You were expected, of course, to marry a respectable woman and pop out heirs, regardless of how much you preferred other men-marriage in the ancient and medieval world was about making babies and forming alliances, not love. But as long as you were discreet, as a male what you did beyond that was either your business, or not profoundly worse than heterosexual fornication, depending on the piety of the observer.

    (That women were not allowed the same leeway should go without saying, but I think the lack of evidence of lesbianism is more sheer lack of interest in the topic on the part of male ancient/medieval historians rather than it not going on.)

    Modern day Arab countries are closer to that old-time mentality than the West, even if they are extremely harsh in modern times to homosexuals who get caught in the act. The societal “don’t ask, don’t tell” attitude is still there, from my understanding. Many Saudi homosexuals have an attitude of confusion toward Western LGBT culture as a result: not just because of their own perceptions of what is decent behavior, but because they genuinely don’t view sexual identity in a fully modern way. I’m sure the open portrayal of homosexuals as thriving with effeminate men doesn’t help.

    (Interestingly, this would imply that attitudes toward homosexuality in post-Roman Western Europe had more to do with the deep hostility of Germanic cultures toward it rather than the conversion to Christianity, per se. The massacre at Thessalonike under Theodosius I seems to confirm the cultural clash between Hellenistic and Germanic cultures here.)

    >Wokeness is about not “tolerating” what stays behind closed doors, but “celebrating” it — i.e., parading around in public, demanding acknowledgment as “normal,” baking cakes.

    Agreed.

  91. Ralph L says:

    “Spice is nice, but incest is best.”
    I heard that from a black girl in my HS summer typing class in the 70s. She also said her uncle got to her at 13 and gave her hemorrhoids. Small wonder she was living at a drug rehab.

  92. Forbes says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Liberals have trouble realizing that not all desires are equal. Some desires are intrinsically bad, and anyone who has such desires should try to extinguish them.

    Ah, not quite right, me thinks. Liberals decry the judgmentalism (moralism) that claims some desires are bad. I’d say they do realize that “not all desires are equal,” they just don’t want you making a judgment about their desires. The Left, having ruled out judgmentalism, leaves the field is wide open to pursue their desires, unrequitedly.

  93. Definitely pedophilia is next.

    That is why the whole tranny thing is so important, especially the child tranny thing and gateway “grooming” events like drag queen story hour.

    If a child can consent to what happens with their genitals in one situation (transitioning) then why not in any other situation?

    • Agree: BB753
  94. @Almost Missouri

    IIRC it is lezzies raising boys that is (by far) the most developmentally problematic.

  95. Legalized, accepted, embraced prostitution. They call it “sex work.”

    Male and female, older, younger, with the younger bounds being constantly pushed.

    And, obviously and concomitant, full drug legalization.

  96. Muggles says:

    Seems like any iSteve essay on sex or related gets a lot of commentary.

    Despite this blog’s emphasis (sometimes) on HBD no one seems to have mentioned various genetic situations. Especially relevant for very small communities/groups/tribes in the past.

    In small population groups, inter family sex is more common, since non relatives are fewer. Nearly all religions and cultural/tribal customs forbid incest but absent outside knowledge, who knew?

    Cousin marriages are still common in places and at some degree of difference, even legal mostly.

    Also in the past the prevalence of small isolated families with multiple spouses over time (due to death) you have a lot of half-siblings or cousin adoptions. Those can lead to incest related scenarios.

    Small isolated populations (like on some tiny islands) can inbreed themselves out of existence. Ancient Pharaohs and some ancient societies (Mayan) who believed that their ruling families “descended from God” would practice incest (at least some) so that the ruling family would have a “divine line” of origin. All of the related and semi related cousin marriages of European royalty didn’t help their genetics either. Since harmful inbreeding was early common knowledge for anyone raising livestock, the detriments to incest were also well known.

    I don’t think there is any “move” to normalize incest. There are biological inhibitors (hormones, etc.) as well as generic sibling rivalry/dislike to keep that in check. Only really deranged people in modern society would champion this. We don’t live in tiny isolated populations unable to travel.

    As some note, more common with religious cultists or self isolating families of idiots.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  97. Roughly, if not terribly, on-topic:

    Indiana couple accused of selling 13-year-old daughter into marriage

    The “Indiana couple” consists of Se Dar Be and Sadid Mot. The customer is Ze Kdee Ya.

    This is in Fort Wayne’s Allen County, whose public library may be the biggest non-Mormon genealogical depository in the US, if not the world. The motley Mots sure do make for a fascinating family history!

  98. @Muggles

    In small population groups, inter family sex is more common, since non relatives are fewer.

    Intra-.

  99. Anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Probably not. And I wouldn’t take Vox Day too seriously. He’s deep into some weird religion that’s had him making predictions that didn’t pan out.

    He was predicting Emperor Trump. Literally.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @TWS
    , @R.G. Camara
  100. El Dato says:
    @Almost Missouri

    At this point it’s clear as a Gestapo limousine emerging from a Generalgouvernement precinct.

  101. @Almost Missouri

    It’s also big among Marranos in the RGV. At least it is if you count first-cousin marriage, which was legal in Texas until 15 or 20 years ago.

    In Louisiana, my then-girlfriend’s uncle had a foster child who was the product of brother-sister incest.

  102. HA says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    “I’ve never understood the hysteria over a ‘crime’ that differs from one state to another. Some guy could be Gov. of New Hampshire and be a ‘vile degenerate sex criminal’ in Vermont.”

    Something tells me that if “some guy” were consistently declared to be a vile degenerate in every state, the people who “never understood the hysteria” wouldn’t be happy then, either, because for them, most any kind of age-of-consent statute is regarded as “hysteria”.

    That being the case, I don’t find their indifference to that so called hysteria to be all that persuasive either.

    Yes, it’s true some cultures don’t see anything wrong with, say, little dancing Bacha boys. But consider the possibility that maybe it’s those cultures that need to change, as opposed to claiming their endorsement of the practice is some kind of proof that everyone else needs to tone down their disapproval.

  103. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Polygamy. As we get more immigrants from Muslim countries where the practice is legal we’ll be forced to make accommodations to their cultural values once they reach a critical mass. Once it’s ok for them it’ll start influencing the larger culture.

  104. SafeNow says:
    @James J O'Meara

    I disagree about word mistakes being neglected on Unz. Very often commenters jump on the error. And, people interested in being commenters are pretty verbal to begin with; and darn clever with words.

  105. @AnotherDad

    In any healthy society, a man found raping actual boys (or for that matter girls) would simply be killed. This POS is on the street?

    A Puerto Rican told me that in his country (sic), this was dealt with by leaving the body in or behind a Dumpster.

    And we call them uncivilized!

  106. And the winner is…(envelope please)….

    Cannibalism!

    • Agree: TWS
  107. Mandated homosexuality. Submission to this requirement will be a critical measurement of your social credit score grade on your mandated digital identification.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  108. TWS says:

    Hell why not cannibalism? Soylent green is the thing.

    Why not any disgusting perversion? We are forced to accept as normal any and all perversion that would have been a death sentence earlier.

  109. TWS says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s not a religion it’s a game. And it was bating the lefties

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  110. @Travis

    The vaccines aren’t doing anything except making people more sick.

  111. @TWS

    And it was bating the lefties

    Don’t we wish.

    Bate: to reduce the force or intensity of

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bate

  112. Hibernian says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    My cousin as a Public Defender in rural/exurban/suburban McHenry County IL, NW of Chicago, in the late ‘702, defended some juveniles who perpetrated an incident of this type, which was fatal.

  113. @Ray

    Having read his work, off and on, nearly 40 years, I think you’re probably right about his views.
    Whether he has always been “good”, depends on your point of view. He has always been circumspect in matters concerning race, but that hasn’t saved him. 40 years ago he was writing for The Spectator, now he’s slumming it at Taki’s Mag.

    It must be said that 40 years ago, The Spectator was a genuine consevative magazine, not the trashy cuckservative drivel it is now. Very few of the contributors then would be permitted to write for it now. So Dr Daniels is in very good company, even if most of it’s dead !

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  114. @Jon

    But if it is being pushed (just like every other twisted thing originally was pushed), thats a sign it could be the next big thing. The NYT, President Harris, et al will be saying “Incest is the civil rights issue of our time”.

  115. anon[636] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    so, with [pedophilia] being left as the one thing you can safely oppose, lots of people get worked up over it as the coming danger.

    lots of people opposed the clown world joke known as gay marriage back when it was safe to oppose it, yet here we are.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
  116. HA says:
    @Travis

    “Despite 80% of adults being vaccinated in the United States, COVID fatalities are higher in the US in 2021 than 2020 when the virus was novel and we had no effective treatments.”

    First of all, the 80% figure seems high. I suspect you’re thinking of those 60 and older, not “adults”.

    Also. we had plenty of lockdowns in 2020. Weird how the COVID truthers seem to be longing for a return to those halcyon days of refuge or at least implicitly admitting they kept a lot of people from dying, but if lockdowns are what you keep arguing for, don’t be surprised if you get more lockdowns. I mean, it’s pretty clear Ivermectin isn’t preventing much of any death toll.

    And strangely enough, the vast majority of the COVID fatalities since the vaccine was made available have come from the unvaxxed, the self-described lions who run like the cowardly little rabbits they are at the thought of getting a needle ouchie. It’s almost as if vaccines significantly prevent death from the diseases they create antibodies against, and if that turns out to be the case, well, how shocking would THAT be? In Texas, the unvaxxed were 20 times more likely to die of COVID than the vaxxed this last September. Granted, it’s a heavily skewed sample, including not just anti-vaxxers but any number of other loons and daredevils who think they’re too cool to die, but even so, if the anti-vaxxers thought they were going to outlive us all, what with those massive myocarditis deat tolls the vaccines are supposed to start bringing about any day now, now that “winter is coming”, they’re off to a really bad start. (And by the way, why do the COVID truthers keep saying the massive die-off will happen “this winter”? Is this some Game of Thrones “winter is coming” tie-in?)

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    , @Travis
  117. @Anonymous

    Probably not.

    Ok, pedo.

    And I wouldn’t take Vox Day too seriously. He’s deep into some weird religion

    You mean Christianity, the foundation of our society for 2000 years? Yeah, shut up, bigot.

    He was predicting Emperor Trump. Literally.

    No, he was not. I read him, ahem, religiously, and he made no such claim–so you’re a liar.

    He did want Trump to challenge the rigged election with military intervention, but contesting a fixed fight is not making yourself emperor, liar.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  118. An adult who wishes to become involved with an underaged partner should simply self-identify as underaged. Age is just a number, and numbers are imaginary anyhow.

  119. Whiskey says: • Website

    Obviously Pedophilia.

    Why?

    First it is central to the holy, holy gays. And gays love pedophilia. Oh do they love it. So there’s that.

    Second, it allows Bills Gates and Clinton to pursue their hobby openly. Without relying on Jeffrey Epstein who did not kill himself.

    Third, most of the Democratic Party and all of Hollywood is comprised of Pedophiles, so it serves the interest of those powerful people.

    Fourth, a great many FBI Agents are known to be pedophiles having been arrested for same. The FBI has a great interest in legalizing and normalizing pedophilia.

    Fifth, it a cudgel against normie. Imagine a teacher in a dress entering the girls restroom and then entering an underaged girl. Any parent protesting would be arrested by the FBI as a Domestic Terrorist, and thrown into Gitmo. That is EXACTLY what the elite want and need. Their lives only have meaning if they can make yours as miserable as possible. Forcing every (White only) parent to send their kids to school to be the sexual forced plaything of some deviant is what the elites are all about. And no one should have any other illusions. The NEA, the National Federation of Teachers, the Justice Dept. and the Podestas all agree. So does Bill Clinton, who has some mentoring to offer. Just ask Monica Lewinsky!

  120. @Rob

    I have heard though that siblings who did not grow up together sometimes feel strong attraction when they meet. That might just be an internet rumor, though.

    It’s called genetic sexual attraction. While not well-established, the only unapologetic parent-child couple I’ve ever heard of were two people separated at the child’s birth who met later in life.

    • Replies: @Rob
  121. @Pat Hannagan

    Theodore Dalrymple is a pen name; his real name is Anthony Daniels, MD. And since it matters a lot to some people around here, his father was a Communist businessman of Russian ancestry, while his Jewish mother was born in Germany.

  122. Mr. Anon says:
    @James J O'Meara

    We dodged a bullet with Jeb.

    Indeed. I didn’t mention him as an example, as his dad – George H.W. Bush – was not an imbecile, just evil.

  123. Anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara

    So you accuse people of vile crimes because they disagree with you? You should apologize, I abhor abuse of children. You have no right to make an accusation like that. I would note that Steve himself said pedophilia is the one area that all society has rallied against.

    There was a movement among “intellectuals” in Europe to get rid of the age of consent in the 1970s. That movement is now dead. There was all kinds of happy talk about nudism back in the 70s as well. That’s now gone.

    Back in the 70s, rock songs openly glorified sex with underage girls. In fact, Jerry Lee Lewis married his own 13 year old cousin! So I’m sorry, your fever dream is simply not true. In important ways, things were worse 50 years ago. The evidence is that people are having sex at a later age now. And less often.

    As far as a Voxday, no it’s not just regular Christianity that motivates the guy. It was more that QAnon crap. Ramzpaul is a Christian and has been aghast at what happened to Voxday.

    And the fact that the guy was totally wrong might give you a second thought.

    • Replies: @Ray P
  124. Ray P says:
    @Anonymous

    On nudism: there has been a recent Free the Nipple campaign to allow women the ‘equality’ with men of getting to walk around bare-breasted in public. And recently we had Slut Walks in large cities and the naked Femen women in Europe & North Africa gyrating half-naked (in panties only) together in public.

  125. @R.G. Camara

    Is he blind? Pedophilia

    .

    The cynic in me says that pedophilia will remain taboo, since The Elites need something to blackmail each other with.

    With homosexuality, cross-dressing, drug abuse, alcoholism, wife-beating, secret black ancestry and other once-shameful things now normalized (if not celebrated), TBTB need something that is still a career-destroying sin. Most ambitious people still have enough decency not to commit murder, but sex with an already sexually experienced 15 year old is a palatable initiation rite for someone wishing admission to The Club.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  126. @Geschrei

    Exactly. I’ve been making the same point for some years.
    If sexual ethics is reduced to consent and a child is agreed to have agency for things such as “sexual orientation” interventions then the result as per pedophilia is not rocket surgery!

    Once the logic is accepted by society it’s not hard to see where it’s progression leads.

  127. @Paul Mendez

    The Elites need something to blackmail each other with

    Well…they could just level an accusation of voting for Trump.

    Woke has plenty of taboos, just not any of the ones which were considered shameful in the past couple thousand years or so!

  128. @Peter Akuleyev

    Incest tends to be a Red State vice.

    Given the percentage of ghetto folks who have no clue about the buck who sired them, I would bet that it is more of a blue state problem in practice.

  129. Rob says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    In a really weird way, it kind of makes sense. If you meant someone who shared half your common SNPs but was 0% ibd, identical by descent, ie not related. If they were the right sex, you would probably be very attracted to them, because relationships where the two people are more similar have less conflict. Because you weren’t close to you never met before sibling while you were a kid, your biology assumes you are not related.

    Arguing against genetic sexual attraction is the HLA, effect. The Human leukocyte antigen locus is the most varied coding portion of the genome by far. It determines what sort of epitopes your B and T cells can recognize. There was some research (not sure if it replicated) that found people preferred the smell of people with different HLA (maybe specifically MHC) alleles. But, chances are someone has two different alleles (if they’re outbred) so the chance that your sibling shares both is, i dunno. Too lazy to calculate it, but certainly less than 0.25.

    If i remember right, Rushton showed couples were as close as first cousins in terms of common SNPs. Not sure, though if he showed people from roughly similar ethnic, class, and regional origin were not that similar.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  130. Incest is semi legalized. In a neighboring state, someone bragged about their incest relation and someone complained. LE investigated and both parties said the relationship stared when they were adults. The DA declined to prosecute. The last time this stat had a trial for incest was in 1924 and they were acquitted. If someone is underage, you are arrested for abuse. For adults, it is considered a private matter.
    Gays want to lower or abolish AOC laws. They like them young.

  131. Ian M. says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Human sacrifice would be a step up. Our modern-day abortion regime exists solely to cater to the self-indulgent whims of sluts and sybarites in service to the cult of self-worship and the casting off of all restraints on the human will. Human sacrifice, though monstrous, paradoxically depends on a view of human life as valuable (one does not offer what is worthless to the gods), whereas abortion depends upon a view of human life as valueless. It is a pretty remarkable feat for us to have discovered and adopted a more degrading view of human life than the cult of Moloch’s.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  132. Ian M. says:
    @Anonymous

    Adult consensual incest is so rare and not really something that could be policed.

    With the Wild West that is America’s disgusting sperm donor industry, half-sibling pairings and father-daughter pairings are likely more common than people probably suspect.

  133. @Rob

    There was some research (not sure if it replicated) that found people preferred the smell of people with different HLA (maybe specifically MHC) alleles.

    There was another study, of the same sort, that came to the exact opposite conclusion, and the participants were more sexually aroused by the smell of similar antigens.

    I wouldn’t set much store by any of it.

    • Replies: @Rob
  134. Ilhan. There’s leadership on the issue.

  135. Craken says:
    @Rob

    The someone’s-name effect means people are viscerally disgusted by the thought of having sex with parents and siblings that they lived with growing up.

    It’s called the Westermarck effect. It extends the sense of visceral disgust also to those with whom one lived in the same household who are not blood relatives, if one was below a certain age (around 10) during the co-habitation period.

  136. Rob says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Ok yeah. A quick perusal showed like n = 30 and p = 0.49 a lot. Some do a lot of comparisons, and only sometimes correct for multiple hypothesis testing.

    You are right. Without a very large sample size in a single study there’s no reason to believe there is an MHC to attravtiveness effect.

  137. Dan Hayes says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Taki is the most notable exception to your Spectator rule!

  138. Getaclue says:
    @HA

    Your posting is utter bs…CNN level drivel — everywhere there isn’t a CDC to enforce industrial scale lying we are seeing reports of massive numbers of Vxd in Hospitals/Dying — (the CDC defines Vxd deaths as “unvaccinated” after 1 injection or within 2 weeks of the 2nd– when most die now from the ClotShot –Hospital Admins join in the lying as much as possible as do complicit MDs but the truth is coming out even in the USA now) — really can you not do some research? Young Vxd athletes of professional level health are dropping like flies from “heart” problems — you’ve missed that of course?

    https://vaccinedeaths.com/2021-11-12-dozens-athletes-confirmed-dropped-dead-covid-vaccines.html

    The reason winter is mentioned is because it is when Cold Season arrives in full — it is nearly here and yes we will be seeing massive Vxd ADE deaths and more Clotting injuries/deaths tying up Hospitals — Clotting injuries are flooding ER Rooms now but complicit Fauci MDs refuse to “relate” them to the DeathVx. “COVID truthers” = you are a moron.

    https://www.fromrome.info/2021/11/24/israeli-pms-press-secretary-admits-deathvaxxed-are-dying-sick-in-record-numbers/

  139. @Intelligent Dasein

    It will be a beautiful day.

    Maybe then, we can take what the best ideals were about America (frankly, something about Cowboys and Indians and Neo-Atlantis), and then combine with the best practices that work for our people (or peoples, depending on levels of future autonomy.)

  140. Travis says:
    @HA

    according to the CDC 90% of those over the age of 60 are vaccinated and 80% of those over the age of 18 are vaccinated. The vaccines have failed to prevent the spread of COVID because they are non-sterilizing. This was known from the start, whcih is the reason the initial study never tested participants for COVID. It reduces the risk of severe cases, but the vaccines do not prevent infections.

  141. epebble says:

    Another interesting prediction:

    Growing share of childless adults in U.S. don’t expect to ever have children

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/19/growing-share-of-childless-adults-in-u-s-dont-expect-to-ever-have-children/

    Will we ever have a situation where a majority of births will be unplanned/unintended?

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