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From the New York Times news section:
How the E.U. Allowed Hungary to Become an Illiberal Model
After years of complacency and wishful thinking, Brussels is finally trying to rein in the country’s pugnacious leader, Prime Minister Viktor Orban.
By Steven Erlanger and Benjamin Novak
Jan. 3, 2022BRUSSELS — … But now Mr. Orban’s defiance and intransigence has had an important, if unintended, effect: serving as a catalyst for an often-sluggish European Union system to act to safeguard the democratic principles that are the foundation of the bloc.
Obviously, the democratic side in this dispute between Hungary and the European Union is that of the Prime Minister of Europe. Who can forget the overwhelming mandate won in the last European Union General Election by Prime Minister of Europe Herr … er … or is it Mademoiselle?
Well, whatever, the details don’t matter. The point is that the Prime Minister of Europe, whoever he or she may be, is democratic. So let me ask you this:
Q. Who was allowed to vote for the Prime Minister of Hungary?
A. Nobody but Hungarians.
So how can that be democratic?
Q. In contrast, who was allowed to vote for the Prime Minister of Europe?
A. Nobody at all.
So that’s much more democratic.
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I thought Curtis Yarvin’s breakdown on “democracy” vs “populism” was superb. That democracy is simply a code word for oligarchy while populism is code for undisciplined masses of working class/lower middle class voters. It cut straights to the point if examining the BS coming out of this women. Democracy and populism are synonyms yet they couldn’t be more different in how she uses them.
Now, however, "democracy" means the uninhibited rule by the barest of majorities.
This is why it was important to give women the vote, along with low-IQ immigrants: the most easily manipulated. (Kind of like Christianity, come to think of it).
Notice how they want to let children vote as well. Next will be animals, with elite guardians casting proxies (the system exposed).
We the People would be a lot better off with a monarch and a patriotic aristocracy that cared for the country and its people, rather than this system where the majority is tricked into approving the plans of the hidden elites.
Gee, I wonder why, given the extreme social and economic differences between Western and Eastern Europe that the EU expanded given how much more it increased it’s difficulties and given how the epic immigration from Eastern Europe into the UK was one of the necessary pressures that led to Brexit?
I wonder if people from America with surnames like Erlanger and Novak supported it and pressured the US to pressure the EU to expand. The US prodding for the EU to expand was, of course, to remove Eastern Europe from the Russian sphere of influence. EU membership and NATO membership were then blurred into one.
I’ll also point out that if the Schengen area hadn’t been so far expanded (If Hungary and the others had been left out of the EU and EEA) the pull factor of immigration would be much less given how much farther inland the borders of the Schengen area and destination countries would have been and how many different closed borders the million men would have had to traverse. This is often lost on
Once you cross into Hungary post 2007 there are no borders between you and say Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands, take your pick. This also led plenty of activists to allegedly drive from Germany to Hungary to pick up the ‘refugees’. It is the very expansion of progressively softer borders with the EU and central/eastern Europe and the Balkans which helped to induce all this. If all these countries were more properly sealed off from each other and the EU like bulkheads, the numbers would be far smaller.
Romania and Bulgaria still remain outside the Schengen zone and their entry has likely been delayed for some time due to the obvious vulnerability of having a free run from Turkey to any of the desirable countries on the continent. And as 2020 has shown, increasing numbers are bold enough to launch naval expeditions to Britain.
Thanks for this concise yet trenchant commentary.
Orban needs to get with the program. Maybe someone in Brussels should send him a copy of Coudenhove-Kalergi ‘s book- Practical Idealism. Not that it’s a plan just a really good idea cooked up by another famous Austrian with definite ideas about racial mixing and Jews.
Seriously though the idea of a European nation based on a commonality of culture is a plus but as some have said in America the constitution is not a suicide pact and the leadership of the European Union seems to think that their heritage is not dependent on their people. No wonder there’s pushback.
But to think that the current Western civilization crisis has roots in his ideas is similar to drawing the conclusion that the Gulag system is well planned in Fourier's silly utopian socialism.
And speaking of Jews, here is a good refutation of Kevin MacDonald's "theories" on Judaism's influence, not going into the "philosophical morass" I sometimes indulge myself plunging into. In short, MacDonald is perhaps 30% right, but generally- wrong (skip the whining & annoying intro & go straight to the interview).
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/kevin-macdonald-american-anti-semitism
American RacistReplies: @mc23, @Ben tillman, @utu
One of the weirdest things in my adult life is witnessing the NYT regularly update its readers on the political affairs of Hungary.
Hungary is a small, wonderful-to-visit and geopolitically entirely inconsequential country — but Orbán as a devil-like narrative device is just too good for the NYT to not exploit, and club its devoted lib readers over the head with.
Years ago, a friend had intended to visit Hungary on summer vacation — he read an Orbán hit piece that left readers with the impression that goose-stepping Hungo fascists were excuting innocents in the streets.
He called me to confirm and I assured him that not only weren’t their public executions in the streets, Budapest’s historic Jewish Districts were, in fact, thriving and were without a doubt, the most hip & happening places to party in the entire country.
I assume that some of Orbán hysteria is driven by personal animus and that someone relatively high up at the NYT is the offspring of Hungarian emigres who likely had sympathies for the Hungarian commies of yesteryear.
Not to mention, Orbán’s obstreperous and outspoken nature coupled with an easy to pronounce 4 syllable name — makes him the perfect bogeyman.
Anyone interested in Hungarian politics would do well to read this even-handed summary of how-we-got-there-in-today’s-Hungary.
https://quillette.com/2021/08/13/20-hungarian-lessons-the-west-is-still-missing/
There is no pressure on Romania, for example, which already has a huge Gypsy population who are more than enough to substitute for Bantu disruption and dysfunctionality.
Wherever and whenever there is a nice and sweet country with a decent and fairly productive population, 'some people' get an itch to flood it with Afghanis and Congolese. Nothing particularly aimed at Hungary.
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/public-diplomacy-and-the-risk-of-overmoralizing/
and found this priceless quote:
As [Orban] put it in a recent speech, Hungary “is an island of peace and security” in comparison to Western Europe, which is “twisting in the multicultural grip of their vindictive colonies.”
https://youtu.be/YHEyZ4H1y8MReplies: @Thomas, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @James J O'Meara
“Democracy” has degenerated into a term of art meaning “elite consensus.” You increasingly see “democracy” unironically regarded as an abstract and esoteric condition, one that requires specialized expertise to understand (e.g., “scholars of democracy”), and as something that must be protected at all costs from the nonelite masses.
How can they say that? Here's a political science classic, an account of how political machines work from an old time Tammany Hall ward leader: URL: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2810
Tammany Hall is the ancestor of today's Democratic Party. I think that Plunkitt himself would be appalled at his organization's descendant (if only because the Irish don't run it anymore), but the relationship in methodology is clear, as is the historical chain of events. See Plunkitt's section "Reformers Only Mornin' Glories" if you don't want to read the whole book. If you wonder how politicians get rich, see "Honest Graft and Dishonest Graft". I must comment here that the operation of Biden and his son appears to disregard Plunkitt's recommendations, although Nancy Pelosi appears to be following them to the letter.Replies: @jo shmo
Presenting the EU’s top official – links below the image
Ursula and Heiko von der Leyen family life
https://www.whosdatedwho.com/dating/ursula-von-der-leyen-and-heiko-von-der-leyen
Heiko von der Leyen, Medical Director of Orgenesis Inc ‘Cell and Gene Therapy’
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‘Orgenesis announces cell-based vaccine platform targeting COVID-19 and other existing and emerging viral diseases’
https://www.labbulletin.com/articles/orgenesis-announces-cellbased-vaccine-platform
‘Covid 19: EU countries should debate mandatory vaccination, says Ursula von der Leyen’
https://www.euronews.com/2021/12/01/eu-should-consider-mandatory-vaccination-says-von-der-leyen
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
– Winston Churchill
“Democracy is a system of government in which two idiots can overrule a wise man.”
– Adolph Hitler
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken
Both are great for entertaining reading, but deeply and logically constructed opinions are not their strong points.
Adorned by a downright moron. Ha, ha, Mr. Mencken, the word "moron" adds zing to your remarks, the way Alan King explained on the pages of Esquire magazine in his comedic description of airline travel of how "having your luggage sent to Stockholm" is a funny line because Stock-holm, spoken as separated words that way, is a naturally funny place name.
Every leader one disagrees with, of course is a "moron." Mencken was not too pleased with Franklin Roosevelt, who some say was an acculturated intellectual lightweight like, say, John F Kennedy. Mencken had harsh words for Woodrow Wilson, who, if not the most intelligent president (Theodore Roosevelt? Thomas Jefferson?) was certainly the most highly credentialed one? Was Dr. Wilson a moron? Was he a moron because he was credentialed and still exhibited stupefying silliness with the peace he imposed on Europe that went up in smoke in WW-II?
A large number of people, 81 million it is claimed, thought Mr. Trump to be a moron. Do they realize that Mr. Biden is Trump Lite -- everything you ever wanted from a president . . . and less!Replies: @AndrewR
“Democracy” is morally equivalent to child molestation, and is practiced enthusiastically by the same criminals, but nothing prepares you for the inhuman insult to decency that is “our democracy.”
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democracy = oligarchy without criticism from below
So this is a good illustration of how the quickest way to understand the left is to just find the opposite of what they’re saying.
You could also ask “What’s more European than the European Union?”
Hungary has them beat there too. The EU is not only not particularly democratic–it’s well known “democratic deficit”–it is not particularly European. Has no interest in specifically protecting European peoples nor European culture nor keeping itself “European”.
Quick comparison for historical illiterates: Viktor Orban vs. Bela Kun.
Go!
(Side advantage: at least Orban is actually Hungarian.)
Could be worse. He might have been monickered Bello Cul.
Just curious.Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
“Democracy” as used in this 21st Century sense is a suite of progressive policy outcomes that has nothing to do with implementing the will of the voters. Quite the opposite. “Democracy” is: open borders, free trade, racial diversity, LGBT++ rights, a robust welfare state, an autonomous judiciary and bureaucracy, etc.
In modern discourse “Democracy = good.” Those policies are deemed to be the good things, ergo they are “Democracy.” Voting is merely a ritual to periodically register assent to Democracy. If the voters happen to vote wrong, however, they are interfering with Democracy and must be overruled. QED.
I believe a critical thing to understand is the intense dovetailing of minoritarian ideology with state power--which i've helpfully condensed:
"Diversity is the health of the state."
Doing the normal super-state EU stuff--setting trade rules, subsidies, cross border employment, , managing the Euro juggle (price stability while various regions cycle somewhat out of sync on boom and bust) and figuring out how far outside Parma you can be and call your cheese "Parmesan" (and all the like appelations) is plenty enough work for a decent cadre of degreed paper-pushing parasites to bask in their comfy sinecures.
But it is ... limited. And lacks the frisson and sense of importance of whipping the peasants into compliance with "tolerance" and "diversity" and staving off the Hitlerian darkness. No, they aren't bureaucrats crank turning routine regulations (and a good living for themselves out of the public's dime), these people are important, and their mission virtuous--and unending--and nothing less than saving humanity from "evil".
Steve Sailor:
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This article from an insurance executive reports that US deaths of people between 18 and 64 are up by 40% from “pre-pandemic levels”, most of these deaths not being attributed to COVID. If I read the article correctly, that’s 12 standard deviations, probably of the normal distribution of death rate, perhaps deaths/year. The probability of picking a 12 standard deviation sample by chance when the underlying distribution remains unchanged is about 1.78*10^-33, or 1.78/100000000000000000000. It seems likely that the underlying distribution of death rate (however defined) has been changed, with a new mean about 40% above the pre-pandemic mean.
Here’s the article URL: https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html
The author of a ZeroHedge article, URL: https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/what-if-largest-experiment-human-beings-history-failure, using the “Tyler Durden” nom de plume of staff writers for ZeroHedge, suggests that the excess mortality might result from anti-COVID injections. This is, of course, speculation. Durden continues on to speculate about the effect such a government attempt at mandatory mortality reduction that actually increases mortality might have on legitimacy and public trust, especially if the 40% higher mortality rate persists or increases.
If nothing else, the articles answer your question about why one might not want to avoid anti-COVID injections. Despite claims that science is omniscient, and that engineering doesn’t exist (engineering being subsumed by science on the intellectual side and “technology” on the implementation side), doing something new is always a bit of a gamble. You never quite know what will happen when you make something brand new, which is why prolonged testing is required before anything new, from aircraft through architecture through medicine through software, can be trusted.
This used to be common knowledge, see a short story by Christopher Anvil, “In Light of Further Data”, in “The Power of Illusion”, which concerns something like the scenario Durden envisions. Anvil’s story dates back to at least 50 years ago.
And, yes, this post is a bit dispassionate considering its topic. I’m trying to keep my head when all about me are losing theirs and, if the past repeats, blaming it on me.
We see the same pattern in the United States with excess deaths much higher in 2021 than 2020 for Americans under the age of 45. It is starting to look like the largest experiment on human beings in recorded history has failed. If these report holds true, that excess deaths have soared in 2021 we need to investigate what caused the spike in excess deaths this year. So far excess deaths appear significantly higher this year than 2020. COVID does not explain it, as 80% of COVID deaths are among people over the age of 65, while excess deaths is much higher for those under 45 this year compared to 2020.Replies: @HA, @HA, @utu, @Jack D
Yep. That’s certainly what every hack journalist and Pundit really means when they use the lazy, hack phrase, “threat to our Democracy”
https://youtu.be/_fHfgU8oMSo
Note that Democratic elite spokesmen never refer to “democracy”. They always refer to “our democracy” — the democracy that they own from top to bottom thanks to their political machine and its alliance with the Republican political machine. As in “Not Your Democracy — ours”.
How can they say that? Here’s a political science classic, an account of how political machines work from an old time Tammany Hall ward leader: URL: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2810
Tammany Hall is the ancestor of today’s Democratic Party. I think that Plunkitt himself would be appalled at his organization’s descendant (if only because the Irish don’t run it anymore), but the relationship in methodology is clear, as is the historical chain of events. See Plunkitt’s section “Reformers Only Mornin’ Glories” if you don’t want to read the whole book. If you wonder how politicians get rich, see “Honest Graft and Dishonest Graft”. I must comment here that the operation of Biden and his son appears to disregard Plunkitt’s recommendations, although Nancy Pelosi appears to be following them to the letter.
Orwell was wrong. We don’t have one positive adjective which refers to all good things; we have dozens of words that have all been redefined to refer to the Only Good Thing: More Power for the People in Charge in the Current Year.
“Democracy”, “feminism”, “justice”, “science”, blah blah blah.
Go to church, and you’ll find out that the one important issue Jesus Christ focused on in AD 33 was More Power for the Oligarchs in 2022. That’s what He meant by “The Kingdom of Heaven”.
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This, one among most quoted conspiracy theories, is simply- bogus. Coudenhove-Kalergi was one of those humanist intellectuals with crackpot ideas that sometimes,and only for some time, influenced more prominent, war-weary & well meaning thinking people. In his case, it was all a spiced exoticism, because he himself was an exotic Oriental.
But to think that the current Western civilization crisis has roots in his ideas is similar to drawing the conclusion that the Gulag system is well planned in Fourier’s silly utopian socialism.
And speaking of Jews, here is a good refutation of Kevin MacDonald’s “theories” on Judaism’s influence, not going into the “philosophical morass” I sometimes indulge myself plunging into. In short, MacDonald is perhaps 30% right, but generally- wrong (skip the whining & annoying intro & go straight to the interview).
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/kevin-macdonald-american-anti-semitism
American Racist
The fact that Kalergi was a prominent Mason and idealized Jews as the natural aristocracy of a United Europe makes his work a wonderful cocktail for conspiracy theories. Kalergi was a visionary and promoter of a new Europe. What you see happening today does seem to fit the prophesy.
Orban may be many things but among them perhaps he is a Hungarian who wishes to be a Hungarian first and Pan-European second. He realizes a Hungary no longer peopled by Hungarians is just a spot on a map awaiting a new name. The people who elected him feel the same way. The unelected officials in Brussels feel along the lines of Kalergi.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
He was behind the Pan-Europa Movement with his manifesto Paneuropa (1923).
Nazis considered the Pan-European Union to be under the control of Freemasonry.
His wartime politics and adventures served as the real life basis for fictional Resistance hero Victor Laszlo, the Paul Henreid character in Casablanca.
Coudenhove-Kalergi proposed Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" as the Anthem of Europe in 1929
In his 1925 book Practical Idealism, Coudenhove-Kalergi envisioned an all-encompassing race of the future made up of "Eurasian-Negroid[s]," replacing "the diversity of peoples" and "[t]oday's races and classes" with a "diversity of individuals."
And Jews as as new aristocracy (Führerrasse) ruling over the race of new Egyptians if you read closer his book:
“The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-negroid race of the future, similar in appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples and the diversity of individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her will, refined and educated this people, driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process. It’s not surprising that the people that escaped from the Ghetto-Prison, became the spiritual nobility of Europe. Thus, the compassionate care given by Europe created a new breed of aristocrats. This happened when the European feudal aristocracy crashed because of the emancipation of the Jews.”
"The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals."Replies: @Anon, @mc23
In modern discourse "Democracy = good." Those policies are deemed to be the good things, ergo they are "Democracy." Voting is merely a ritual to periodically register assent to Democracy. If the voters happen to vote wrong, however, they are interfering with Democracy and must be overruled. QED.Replies: @Jack D, @Flying Dutchman, @SunBakedSuburb, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad
In the article, they mention that one of the “anti-democratic” things that Orban did was to change the election laws to favor his party. But when Chuck Schumer tries to change the election laws to favor his party, that IS democratic. I suppose whether changing election laws to favor your party is democratic or not depends on which party you are trying to favor.
“Liberal” is another word that has lost its orginal meaning. “Liberals” are now in favor of things like supressing speech – if the speech is that of a bad person, the modern “liberal” position is that it’s not only OK but it is your duty to supress it.
The author of the article mentions that the other European leaders have treated Orban collegially because he is a fellow elected leader. The author views this negatively, because being popularly elected doesn’t make you “democratic” in his book, for the reasons that you cite.
Once you have democratic principles, the democracy part is disposable.
In modern discourse "Democracy = good." Those policies are deemed to be the good things, ergo they are "Democracy." Voting is merely a ritual to periodically register assent to Democracy. If the voters happen to vote wrong, however, they are interfering with Democracy and must be overruled. QED.Replies: @Jack D, @Flying Dutchman, @SunBakedSuburb, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad
I’ve long said that especially presidential elections in the US are really plebiscites on the system as such, with participating as a “voter” being a Yes vote, while not voting (as I never have) is to vote No.
Hungary is a small, wonderful-to-visit and geopolitically entirely inconsequential country — but Orbán as a devil-like narrative device is just too good for the NYT to not exploit, and club its devoted lib readers over the head with.
Years ago, a friend had intended to visit Hungary on summer vacation — he read an Orbán hit piece that left readers with the impression that goose-stepping Hungo fascists were excuting innocents in the streets.
He called me to confirm and I assured him that not only weren’t their public executions in the streets, Budapest’s historic Jewish Districts were, in fact, thriving and were without a doubt, the most hip & happening places to party in the entire country.
I assume that some of Orbán hysteria is driven by personal animus and that someone relatively high up at the NYT is the offspring of Hungarian emigres who likely had sympathies for the Hungarian commies of yesteryear.
Not to mention, Orbán’s obstreperous and outspoken nature coupled with an easy to pronounce 4 syllable name — makes him the perfect bogeyman.
Anyone interested in Hungarian politics would do well to read this even-handed summary of how-we-got-there-in-today’s-Hungary.
https://quillette.com/2021/08/13/20-hungarian-lessons-the-west-is-still-missing/Replies: @SZ, @John Pepple, @Jack D
Nothing particular to Hungary. All countries with a homogenous non-black or non-brown population (and that includes Japan and SK) are subject to pressure of varying degrees to accept Bantu and Muslim (currently the two most dysfunctional and least productive human groups) refugee-my-ass-scammers into their countries and feed them ad infinitum just for hanging around and scratching their testicles all day long. Hungary defies this pressure rather openly, while Japan or SK do it silently.
There is no pressure on Romania, for example, which already has a huge Gypsy population who are more than enough to substitute for Bantu disruption and dysfunctionality.
Wherever and whenever there is a nice and sweet country with a decent and fairly productive population, ‘some people’ get an itch to flood it with Afghanis and Congolese. Nothing particularly aimed at Hungary.
– Winston Churchill
"Democracy is a system of government in which two idiots can overrule a wise man."
– Adolph Hitler
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. MenckenReplies: @Inquiring Mind, @Wilkey, @AnotherDad
I have argued that Yarvin is a latter-day Mencken or maybe Mencken is a forerunner to Yarvin.
Both are great for entertaining reading, but deeply and logically constructed opinions are not their strong points.
Adorned by a downright moron. Ha, ha, Mr. Mencken, the word “moron” adds zing to your remarks, the way Alan King explained on the pages of Esquire magazine in his comedic description of airline travel of how “having your luggage sent to Stockholm” is a funny line because Stock-holm, spoken as separated words that way, is a naturally funny place name.
Every leader one disagrees with, of course is a “moron.” Mencken was not too pleased with Franklin Roosevelt, who some say was an acculturated intellectual lightweight like, say, John F Kennedy. Mencken had harsh words for Woodrow Wilson, who, if not the most intelligent president (Theodore Roosevelt? Thomas Jefferson?) was certainly the most highly credentialed one? Was Dr. Wilson a moron? Was he a moron because he was credentialed and still exhibited stupefying silliness with the peace he imposed on Europe that went up in smoke in WW-II?
A large number of people, 81 million it is claimed, thought Mr. Trump to be a moron. Do they realize that Mr. Biden is Trump Lite — everything you ever wanted from a president . . . and less!
I thought this was one of the trippiest clips ever.
Y’all have missed the boat. ‘Democracy’ is a focus group tested word. The Left uses it because people care about it. The irony being the Democrats couldn’t f#\$%ing care less about democracy. They use the term because YOU care.
That is silly. The general population is against oligarchy (even though they don’t know what it means). When they hear ‘democracy,’ they think ‘the people.’ Them. They think Democrats are for them. Yeah. Ha ha.
No. That’s not what the masses think at all. They were taught in school that democracy is good. Dems take fascist control and call it ‘democracy,’ and the masses think, “That’s good. Democracy is good.”
You know, the old Obama Care fascist takeover of the health care industry was the ‘Affordable Care Act.’
“Oh, good. Affordable is good.”
You aren’t getting it. Alinski said to use the terms of your opposition against them.
But, wait. You do get it! This is exactly it. It is a focus group tested word.
More focus group tested words.
They learned that flourish in journalism school.
Whenever you hear the Left say ‘democracy,’ it is bogus pandering. They are against democracy.
The young English YouTuber Toycat detected a fascinating correlation between a region’s population in Year 2020 and its wealth in Year 1:
Try and guess this rather obvious one (answer below):
https://worldmapper.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Transport_ShipsTotal_2016.pngTransport ships registered, 2016
A mature democracy is a former democracy that has been captured by the oligarchs, a mere democracy is a populist hellhole with elected leaders doing what the people want.
Democracies must be turned into mature democracies by coups, like in The Ukraine, or election stealing, like in the United States of America.
But to think that the current Western civilization crisis has roots in his ideas is similar to drawing the conclusion that the Gulag system is well planned in Fourier's silly utopian socialism.
And speaking of Jews, here is a good refutation of Kevin MacDonald's "theories" on Judaism's influence, not going into the "philosophical morass" I sometimes indulge myself plunging into. In short, MacDonald is perhaps 30% right, but generally- wrong (skip the whining & annoying intro & go straight to the interview).
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/kevin-macdonald-american-anti-semitism
American RacistReplies: @mc23, @Ben tillman, @utu
Agreed, Coudenhove-Kalergi was simply prophesying, like a Jules Verne or H.G. Wells about the ultimate racial mixing of peoples which someone could have foreseen 300 years ago. It’s one reason Ben Frank was against the importation of slaves.
The fact that Kalergi was a prominent Mason and idealized Jews as the natural aristocracy of a United Europe makes his work a wonderful cocktail for conspiracy theories. Kalergi was a visionary and promoter of a new Europe. What you see happening today does seem to fit the prophesy.
Orban may be many things but among them perhaps he is a Hungarian who wishes to be a Hungarian first and Pan-European second. He realizes a Hungary no longer peopled by Hungarians is just a spot on a map awaiting a new name. The people who elected him feel the same way. The unelected officials in Brussels feel along the lines of Kalergi.
His booklet published in 1925 is not some master-plan for genocide of whites, but a booklet typical for that unhinged era when various absurd ideas had been floating around, from Dadaism to Anthroposophy.
To think that Kalergi, before the WW2, A-Bomb, triumphant Communism, decolonization of Africa and Asia, the New Left & the 60s upheavals, modern technology, fall of Communism, modernization of all these societies,... somehow cooked up in advance those ideas, along with some Masons & Jews, 100 years before they actually have been starting to pose a real threat to the affluent Western societies- bespeaks of an incredible historical, economical & cultural illiteracy.Replies: @mc23
Trump is going to Hungary to campaign for Orban, the election is in April. That same month, France votes. April is going to be a consequential month.
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Those cartograms are from http://worldmapper.org . One could spend hours there looking at things like which countries Trump tweeted about most in each of his years in office, or migration from Israel.
This one is of the world’s 0-to-4-year-olds in 2015, which might differ from that of 7-to-11-year-olds in 2022:
Try and guess this rather obvious one (answer below):
Transport ships registered, 2016
When Viktor Orban visited then President Trump in the White House, a journalist asked them about a deficit in democracy in Hungary, or something to that effect.
I wish I was there, for I would have said to the libtard journalist that in Hungary’s recent election (2018), Viktor Orban’s party got 133 seats in their law making body, while the party with the second highest seats got only 26 seats.
Viktor Orban’s party got plenty of democratic support.
https://youtu.be/YHEyZ4H1y8MReplies: @Thomas, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @James J O'Meara
“Democracy” is something like the Romans’ Imperium – it’s conceived without full explanation as a sort of legitimate use of power that can be reposed in different places depending upon what the rabble does at the ballot box. When Trump was President and the GOP controlled both Houses of Congress, “democracy” was reposed in career bureaucrats, the security state, the Courts and in the minority in the Senate. “Democracy” required that Trump be blocked at every turn by every available means fair or foul. The Senate Filibuster was then, of course, a sacred “democratic” right of the minority to defend “democracy” against the whims of demagogues. “Democracy” included the rights of foreigners to immigrate to the United States for the future purpose of participating in its elections – any resistance to this by the current electorate is stifling “democracy.”
Now, however, “democracy” means the uninhibited rule by the barest of majorities.
– Winston Churchill
"Democracy is a system of government in which two idiots can overrule a wise man."
– Adolph Hitler
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. MenckenReplies: @Inquiring Mind, @Wilkey, @AnotherDad
The irony is that the people who are most bothered by democracy and populism, because of all the dumb people who can vote, call themselves members of the “Democratic Party” and work tirelessly to make sure the dumbest, laziest, least informed, and most criminal parts of our population turn up at the polls.
The masses become a problem when alternative sources of info (eg. the internets) become available (hence the elite demands for "control"), or, as with Covid or inflation, impinging reality is too obviously contradicting the Narrative (no one has Covid, but relatives and neighbors are dying from boosters; Biden says economy is OK but grocery sack keeps getting smaller).
China?
Seriously, the EU is anti-democratic.
BTW, there is no Prime Minister of the EU, but it does have three unelected Presidents.
https://worldmapper.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Grid_People_Population_2020.pnghttps://worldmapper.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/GDP_total_OtN_0001.pngReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @SunBakedSuburb
The bottom image is disturbing: diseased arteries and veins next to a swollen liver. Not a good idea to hire Gerald Scarfe to do your cartogram. Too Pink Floydish.
You just note the tone of the rhetoric used in that headline, ” ….. the EU …. *allowed* .. Hungary …”.
*Allowed*. ‘Allowed’ like mommy and daddy ‘allow’ junior to sit in the front room and watch the big television, if Junior promises to be respectful of the furniture.
This is a *sovereign* nation here being ‘allowed’ to govern itself!
On second thoughts, Hungary left their sovereignty at the door the moment they joined the EU.
As the late, great British parliamentarian and statesman said ‘A nation is either independent or it is not. Anything else is merely local government’.
Go!
(Side advantage: at least Orban is actually Hungarian.)Replies: @Anonymous, @HFR
‘Bela Kun’.
Could be worse. He might have been monickered Bello Cul.
In modern discourse "Democracy = good." Those policies are deemed to be the good things, ergo they are "Democracy." Voting is merely a ritual to periodically register assent to Democracy. If the voters happen to vote wrong, however, they are interfering with Democracy and must be overruled. QED.Replies: @Jack D, @Flying Dutchman, @SunBakedSuburb, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad
Unnecessary summation of what we already know. Oh, look: Jack D and Another Dud are offering their summations of your summation. There’s no problem of dementia in the clothing-optional iSteve clubhouse.
In modern discourse "Democracy = good." Those policies are deemed to be the good things, ergo they are "Democracy." Voting is merely a ritual to periodically register assent to Democracy. If the voters happen to vote wrong, however, they are interfering with Democracy and must be overruled. QED.Replies: @Jack D, @Flying Dutchman, @SunBakedSuburb, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad
Don’t accept their framing/nomenclature. The Left is in way progressive.
But to think that the current Western civilization crisis has roots in his ideas is similar to drawing the conclusion that the Gulag system is well planned in Fourier's silly utopian socialism.
And speaking of Jews, here is a good refutation of Kevin MacDonald's "theories" on Judaism's influence, not going into the "philosophical morass" I sometimes indulge myself plunging into. In short, MacDonald is perhaps 30% right, but generally- wrong (skip the whining & annoying intro & go straight to the interview).
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/kevin-macdonald-american-anti-semitism
American RacistReplies: @mc23, @Ben tillman, @utu
There is no refutation of MacDonald’s theories. They are correct.
And your linked article does not even purport to be a refutation. It is an interview.
I’ve already said that most MacDonald’s claims were bogus. Since I am not too interested in the topic (Peterson, Jewish conspiracy, IQ, Ivy League over/under-representation,..), I’ll just copy-paste what I’ve posted on his magnum opus & that would be it.
To analyze most of his specific claims is as useless & boring as are most of his grand assertions.
* Jews “follow group evolutionary strategy”. He didn’t prove that such a strategy exists at all, apart from a trivial observation that any human collective wants to preserve its identity & to thrive. No “strategy” in such a behavior.
* also, the author’s description of “Jewish movements” is non-verifiable & actually difficult to describe. From what I know of Marxism, psychoanalysis or Leninism- these were not “Jewish” movements, neither in intellectual genesis nor with regard to their proponents.
What about other intellectual currents, prominent in the 20th & 21st C? Do these movements or cultural currents qualify as “Jewish”: anarchism, free-love leftism, Expressionism, Cubism, Dadaism, German phenomenology in philosophy, cultural critique (Derrida & Foucault following Heidegger), New Left with its post-1968 ideology, multiculturalism as ideology, Jungian archetypal psychology, New Age ideologies, radical Feminism, “New Atheism”, evolutionary psychology, sociobiology, various schools of economics (Austrian, Chicago,..), structuralism in humanities, ..?
* what about areas where ethnic Jews are over-represented in the 20th & 21st fields: theoretical physics, all branches of mathematics, chess masters, computer science, violin virtuosi, philanthropists in arts & curators of museums, film directors & producers, ..? Are these areas somehow driven by Jewish interests, whether conscious or not? How can we ascertain this?
Although I admire MacDonald’s work in demolition of maudlin myth the core American Jewish community has over time built about themselves (eternal victims & universal humanitarians), I don’t see his work as dispassionate analysis that would be close to even such a non-exact “science” as evolutionary psychology claims to be. With its broad sweep of generalizations, MacDonald’s work on historical traits of Judaism (as cultural-historical identity) is not unlike other historiosophies, similar to St. Augustine, Gioacchino da Fiore, Hegel, Marx or Spengler.
There are insights in these works- but they are basically an imaginative construction, not more.
Jews are ethnic religious tribalists who had, many of them, lived in Europe for more than 2000 years. Somewhere during Nero's rule, they constituted 5-10% of the Roman Empire, i.e. 5-6 million people. Had they had an opportunity for natural growth, there would have been ca. 250-400 million of them now. But, most of them assimilated, vanished into greater Pagan & then Christian communities. So much for stubborn insistence of religious-ethnic pride.
There is no “group evolutionary strategy”, only if it stands for something trivial: any ethnic-national group wants to exist ad infinitum & prosper. This applies to every single human community.
As for Jews being particularly ethno-centric, this may be the truth in comparison with some other groups, but they didn’t differ from Zoroastrian Iranians or Hindu Brahmins; there is no way to empirically verify whether their ethnocentrism is rooted in ancient religious texts older than 1500 years (Babylonian Talmud, 250-600 AD) or something else. No causal connection can be made & all this is bogus.
With regard to MacDonald’s thesis that Jews are culturally-genetically predisposed to domination in host societies, this is an easily refutable canard: they lived harmoniously, peacefully & productively during Parthian, Zoroastrian, Abbasid empires, Cordoba caliphate, Ottoman Empire…as well as in the 17th-18th C Netherlands or the 18th C Prussia. They tried (and to a larger degree succeeded) to assimilate into British & German Empires, from the beginning to the end.
MacDonald’s theses are very simple & cannot pass the test of any rational & empirical investigation.
Jews are, according to him, essentially, due to a compound of genes, history, religious ideology,… eternal enemy of the “white race”. Not real. They lived among Europeans for almost 2 millennia & had virtually always been at the receiving end. After their Enlightenment at the end of the 18th C, they avidly secularized themselves & were literally hungry for the riches of high European culture (arts, sciences, technology, ..), trying to assimilate as fast as they could. No “evolutionary group strategy” here, not anything that would preserve them as an alien dominant cultural-biological ethnicity..
Jews are far from a monolith existing in MacDonald fantasy. It is true they, those of them who still possess Jewish identity, try to help their co-religionists if they are in trouble (which is a perfectly normal behavior). But, their primary loyalty is to their host societies, which can be seen from German Jewish behavior during WW1, when their military deaths were higher than their percentage in the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenz%C3%A4hlung French Jews fought for France, British for Britain etc.
According to MacDonald, Jews are basically destructive to a host society, like a group of pathogen bacteria swarming & sucking life out of their host-victim. They’re, actually, not unlike cancer. Another example of dehumanization & antisemitic nonsense. What does he say about the good they’ve done to their host societies, in culture, wealth, inventions, development of commerce, journalism, agriculture, arts,..
Persistent MacDonald’s myth is about their extraordinarily high levels of endogamous practice. In reality, Catholic and Protestants didn’t mix much until the 20th C, and Jews (not converts) have been in mixed marriages with German Christians at the rate of 30-40%, during 1933 (Hitler’s rise to power); now, more than 50-60% of Jews outmarry and more than 80-90% of them do so in Russia. Where is this MacDonald’s grand “evolutionary strategy”?
Then, he is tendentious. MacDonald presents Spanish conversos/Marranos from the 15th and 16th C as ethnically-racially homogeneous groups. A part of them must have stayed that way- it is perfectly natural that forcibly converted people (who had already possessed their written culture & rituals) will adopt chameleon-like behavior. So did Moriscos, forcibly converted Muslim Arabs. So, it’s not about specific Jewish traits; it is about religious violence & natural resistance of people who had found themselves on the receiving end of pressure for religious conformity. MacDonald implies that many, perhaps most Marranos succeeded in surviving the Inquisition in the next 2-3 centuries. True, some Marranos have succeeded to retain their identity & emigrate later to the Netherlands or Ottoman empire, but most of them vanished into broader Iberian societies.
Conspicuously, MacDonald has glossed over the fact that most Jewish Germans in the 19th C had been assimilated with high percentage of intermarriage. Marranos in the 16th C did-at least a part of them-tried to retain their separate identity. Not so in early 19th C Germany, where many Jews had voluntarily been baptized & completely assimilated into German society-no Jewish separatism & tribal behavior. No “Jewish Christian” secret societies, clannish behavior, endogamous marriages…
The Mendelssohn family simply disappeared among other Germans.
How so if they're an eternally alien ethnic group? Where can I see that famous survival strategy? This “strategy”, it seems, leads only to obliteration of a separate national identity.
Or, after all, Einstein (whose descendants are not Jews) was right: If it were not for antisemitism, Jews would have dispersed like leaves in the wind.Replies: @Ben tillman
Thanks, ISteve. There is a great deal of serpentine political and legal theory in academia attempting to establish that the true meaning of democracy is not rule of, by, and for the people, but rather enactment of policies that progressives favor and defeat of policies that centrists or conservatives favor.
Among the creepiest and most hypocritical is Erwin Chemerinsky, currently the most cited legal scholar, Dean of Berkeley Law School, etc.
Consider this summary of his position.
https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/faculty_scholarship/1398/
There – he said it – a political regime is not a democracy unless it consistently enacts policies favored by at most 25% of the population. And the courts will be central to political decisions.
This explains what the Washington Post means when they warn about the death of democracy.
There’s also a lot of malarkey about how the European Union, despite all appearances, is really democratic, exemplified by scholar Andrew Moravcsik, househusband of Anne Marie Slaughter, the aptly-named butcher of Libya and Syria.
Oligarchy is democracy, war is peace…
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The Chemerinskys have been an absolute disaster for America. But the single upside is clarity.
Man's core problem since settlement--the neolithic agricultural revolution--has been parasite control. In the before time life was violent but we were free. After settlement had us laboring away in one place ... the parasites showed up to take advantage. If it wasn't barbarians sweeping in from the steppe to loot and rape, it was the local thugs declaring themselves to be "lords" and entitled to loot you ... though in theory in return for protection from the barbarians.
When i was a kid and learned about feudalism and serfdom i thought "man that sucks", glad we don't have that anymore. Boy was i wrong.
Now we Americans are serfs again, but this time with looting parasitic elites who wave invadersin to loot us more!Replies: @SafeNow
He looks like he's five minutes from being metooed..
Hungary has them beat there too. The EU is not only not particularly democratic--it's well known "democratic deficit"--it is not particularly European. Has no interest in specifically protecting European peoples nor European culture nor keeping itself "European".Replies: @Athina
I’m Greek and I live for the day the European “Union” is blown to bits, if possible peacefully, and nobody dares call me European anymore.
The Family Dog Project, located in Budapest, is the largest research organization in the world studying the behavior of dogs and the nature of the dog-human bond. I think that says a lot about the sensibility of the country that hosts and supports it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIGz2kyo26U
C-p of what I wrote long time ago. Prove me wrong.
I’ve already said that most MacDonald’s claims were bogus. Since I am not too interested in the topic (Peterson, Jewish conspiracy, IQ, Ivy League over/under-representation,..), I’ll just copy-paste what I’ve posted on his magnum opus & that would be it.
To analyze most of his specific claims is as useless & boring as are most of his grand assertions.
* Jews “follow group evolutionary strategy”. He didn’t prove that such a strategy exists at all, apart from a trivial observation that any human collective wants to preserve its identity & to thrive. No “strategy” in such a behavior.
* also, the author’s description of “Jewish movements” is non-verifiable & actually difficult to describe. From what I know of Marxism, psychoanalysis or Leninism- these were not “Jewish” movements, neither in intellectual genesis nor with regard to their proponents.
What about other intellectual currents, prominent in the 20th & 21st C? Do these movements or cultural currents qualify as “Jewish”: anarchism, free-love leftism, Expressionism, Cubism, Dadaism, German phenomenology in philosophy, cultural critique (Derrida & Foucault following Heidegger), New Left with its post-1968 ideology, multiculturalism as ideology, Jungian archetypal psychology, New Age ideologies, radical Feminism, “New Atheism”, evolutionary psychology, sociobiology, various schools of economics (Austrian, Chicago,..), structuralism in humanities, ..?
* what about areas where ethnic Jews are over-represented in the 20th & 21st fields: theoretical physics, all branches of mathematics, chess masters, computer science, violin virtuosi, philanthropists in arts & curators of museums, film directors & producers, ..? Are these areas somehow driven by Jewish interests, whether conscious or not? How can we ascertain this?
Although I admire MacDonald’s work in demolition of maudlin myth the core American Jewish community has over time built about themselves (eternal victims & universal humanitarians), I don’t see his work as dispassionate analysis that would be close to even such a non-exact “science” as evolutionary psychology claims to be. With its broad sweep of generalizations, MacDonald’s work on historical traits of Judaism (as cultural-historical identity) is not unlike other historiosophies, similar to St. Augustine, Gioacchino da Fiore, Hegel, Marx or Spengler.
There are insights in these works- but they are basically an imaginative construction, not more.
Jews are ethnic religious tribalists who had, many of them, lived in Europe for more than 2000 years. Somewhere during Nero’s rule, they constituted 5-10% of the Roman Empire, i.e. 5-6 million people. Had they had an opportunity for natural growth, there would have been ca. 250-400 million of them now. But, most of them assimilated, vanished into greater Pagan & then Christian communities. So much for stubborn insistence of religious-ethnic pride.
There is no “group evolutionary strategy”, only if it stands for something trivial: any ethnic-national group wants to exist ad infinitum & prosper. This applies to every single human community.
As for Jews being particularly ethno-centric, this may be the truth in comparison with some other groups, but they didn’t differ from Zoroastrian Iranians or Hindu Brahmins; there is no way to empirically verify whether their ethnocentrism is rooted in ancient religious texts older than 1500 years (Babylonian Talmud, 250-600 AD) or something else. No causal connection can be made & all this is bogus.
With regard to MacDonald’s thesis that Jews are culturally-genetically predisposed to domination in host societies, this is an easily refutable canard: they lived harmoniously, peacefully & productively during Parthian, Zoroastrian, Abbasid empires, Cordoba caliphate, Ottoman Empire…as well as in the 17th-18th C Netherlands or the 18th C Prussia. They tried (and to a larger degree succeeded) to assimilate into British & German Empires, from the beginning to the end.
MacDonald’s theses are very simple & cannot pass the test of any rational & empirical investigation.
Jews are, according to him, essentially, due to a compound of genes, history, religious ideology,… eternal enemy of the “white race”. Not real. They lived among Europeans for almost 2 millennia & had virtually always been at the receiving end. After their Enlightenment at the end of the 18th C, they avidly secularized themselves & were literally hungry for the riches of high European culture (arts, sciences, technology, ..), trying to assimilate as fast as they could. No “evolutionary group strategy” here, not anything that would preserve them as an alien dominant cultural-biological ethnicity..
Jews are far from a monolith existing in MacDonald fantasy. It is true they, those of them who still possess Jewish identity, try to help their co-religionists if they are in trouble (which is a perfectly normal behavior). But, their primary loyalty is to their host societies, which can be seen from German Jewish behavior during WW1, when their military deaths were higher than their percentage in the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenz%C3%A4hlung French Jews fought for France, British for Britain etc.
According to MacDonald, Jews are basically destructive to a host society, like a group of pathogen bacteria swarming & sucking life out of their host-victim. They’re, actually, not unlike cancer. Another example of dehumanization & antisemitic nonsense. What does he say about the good they’ve done to their host societies, in culture, wealth, inventions, development of commerce, journalism, agriculture, arts,..
Persistent MacDonald’s myth is about their extraordinarily high levels of endogamous practice. In reality, Catholic and Protestants didn’t mix much until the 20th C, and Jews (not converts) have been in mixed marriages with German Christians at the rate of 30-40%, during 1933 (Hitler’s rise to power); now, more than 50-60% of Jews outmarry and more than 80-90% of them do so in Russia. Where is this MacDonald’s grand “evolutionary strategy”?
Then, he is tendentious. MacDonald presents Spanish conversos/Marranos from the 15th and 16th C as ethnically-racially homogeneous groups. A part of them must have stayed that way- it is perfectly natural that forcibly converted people (who had already possessed their written culture & rituals) will adopt chameleon-like behavior. So did Moriscos, forcibly converted Muslim Arabs. So, it’s not about specific Jewish traits; it is about religious violence & natural resistance of people who had found themselves on the receiving end of pressure for religious conformity. MacDonald implies that many, perhaps most Marranos succeeded in surviving the Inquisition in the next 2-3 centuries. True, some Marranos have succeeded to retain their identity & emigrate later to the Netherlands or Ottoman empire, but most of them vanished into broader Iberian societies.
Conspicuously, MacDonald has glossed over the fact that most Jewish Germans in the 19th C had been assimilated with high percentage of intermarriage. Marranos in the 16th C did-at least a part of them-tried to retain their separate identity. Not so in early 19th C Germany, where many Jews had voluntarily been baptized & completely assimilated into German society-no Jewish separatism & tribal behavior. No “Jewish Christian” secret societies, clannish behavior, endogamous marriages…
The Mendelssohn family simply disappeared among other Germans.
How so if they’re an eternally alien ethnic group? Where can I see that famous survival strategy? This “strategy”, it seems, leads only to obliteration of a separate national identity.
Or, after all, Einstein (whose descendants are not Jews) was right: If it were not for antisemitism, Jews would have dispersed like leaves in the wind.
OT
This article from an insurance executive reports that US deaths of people between 18 and 64 are up by 40% from "pre-pandemic levels", most of these deaths not being attributed to COVID. If I read the article correctly, that's 12 standard deviations, probably of the normal distribution of death rate, perhaps deaths/year. The probability of picking a 12 standard deviation sample by chance when the underlying distribution remains unchanged is about 1.78*10^-33, or 1.78/100000000000000000000. It seems likely that the underlying distribution of death rate (however defined) has been changed, with a new mean about 40% above the pre-pandemic mean.
Here's the article URL: https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html
The author of a ZeroHedge article, URL: https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/what-if-largest-experiment-human-beings-history-failure, using the "Tyler Durden" nom de plume of staff writers for ZeroHedge, suggests that the excess mortality might result from anti-COVID injections. This is, of course, speculation. Durden continues on to speculate about the effect such a government attempt at mandatory mortality reduction that actually increases mortality might have on legitimacy and public trust, especially if the 40% higher mortality rate persists or increases.
If nothing else, the articles answer your question about why one might not want to avoid anti-COVID injections. Despite claims that science is omniscient, and that engineering doesn't exist (engineering being subsumed by science on the intellectual side and "technology" on the implementation side), doing something new is always a bit of a gamble. You never quite know what will happen when you make something brand new, which is why prolonged testing is required before anything new, from aircraft through architecture through medicine through software, can be trusted.
This used to be common knowledge, see a short story by Christopher Anvil, "In Light of Further Data", in "The Power of Illusion", which concerns something like the scenario Durden envisions. Anvil's story dates back to at least 50 years ago.
And, yes, this post is a bit dispassionate considering its topic. I'm trying to keep my head when all about me are losing theirs and, if the past repeats, blaming it on me.Replies: @Travis
Europe shows the same pattern, excess deaths much higher for Europeans under the age of 44 in 2021 than 2020. https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1475477275818831874?s=20
We see the same pattern in the United States with excess deaths much higher in 2021 than 2020 for Americans under the age of 45. It is starting to look like the largest experiment on human beings in recorded history has failed. If these report holds true, that excess deaths have soared in 2021 we need to investigate what caused the spike in excess deaths this year. So far excess deaths appear significantly higher this year than 2020. COVID does not explain it, as 80% of COVID deaths are among people over the age of 65, while excess deaths is much higher for those under 45 this year compared to 2020.
From 2019 to 2020 death rates (all causes) increased:
23.8% for 25–34
24.5% for 35–44
20.7% for 45–54
17.6% for 55–64
17.4% for 65–74
16.0% for 75–84
15.0% for 85 and over
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db427.htm
As utu points out, excess deaths are expressed as a percentage. People under 45 don't die a lot so any significant increase (such as the unvaccinated dying from Covid) is going to show up as a large % increase in that group.
In modern discourse "Democracy = good." Those policies are deemed to be the good things, ergo they are "Democracy." Voting is merely a ritual to periodically register assent to Democracy. If the voters happen to vote wrong, however, they are interfering with Democracy and must be overruled. QED.Replies: @Jack D, @Flying Dutchman, @SunBakedSuburb, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad
Hypnotoad666–terrific comment. This is the best clear pithy statement of the issue i’ve seen. Thanks.
I believe a critical thing to understand is the intense dovetailing of minoritarian ideology with state power–which i’ve helpfully condensed:
“Diversity is the health of the state.”
Doing the normal super-state EU stuff–setting trade rules, subsidies, cross border employment, , managing the Euro juggle (price stability while various regions cycle somewhat out of sync on boom and bust) and figuring out how far outside Parma you can be and call your cheese “Parmesan” (and all the like appelations) is plenty enough work for a decent cadre of degreed paper-pushing parasites to bask in their comfy sinecures.
But it is … limited. And lacks the frisson and sense of importance of whipping the peasants into compliance with “tolerance” and “diversity” and staving off the Hitlerian darkness. No, they aren’t bureaucrats crank turning routine regulations (and a good living for themselves out of the public’s dime), these people are important, and their mission virtuous–and unending–and nothing less than saving humanity from “evil”.
Go!
(Side advantage: at least Orban is actually Hungarian.)Replies: @Anonymous, @HFR
Is Kun Bela not “actually Hungarian” because he was Jewish or because he was born in a part of Hungary now part of Rumania? What about Rakosi? Was he not “actually Hungarian” because he was Jewish or because he was born in a part of Hungary now part of Serbia?
Just curious.
He is accused of being a violent, mass-murdering thug, with mysteriously no mass murders; when I brought up the example of an _actual_ violent, brutal, torture-happy, mass-murdering tyrannical thug in fairly recent Hungarian history, the monster Bela Kun, you completely ignored the major premise and at once went straight to interrogating me about my attitude towards his Jewishness.
Why is that?
Just curious.Replies: @HFR
https://youtu.be/YHEyZ4H1y8MReplies: @Thomas, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @James J O'Meara
“Democracy” was always a scam. The goals of the hidden elites were “legitimized” by having power transferred to “the People”, who were easily manipulated if not outright bribed. “Vote harder.”
This is why it was important to give women the vote, along with low-IQ immigrants: the most easily manipulated. (Kind of like Christianity, come to think of it).
Notice how they want to let children vote as well. Next will be animals, with elite guardians casting proxies (the system exposed).
We the People would be a lot better off with a monarch and a patriotic aristocracy that cared for the country and its people, rather than this system where the majority is tricked into approving the plans of the hidden elites.
“the dumbest, laziest, least informed,” if not necessarily the most criminal, are supposed to turn out, because they can be propagandized.
The masses become a problem when alternative sources of info (eg. the internets) become available (hence the elite demands for “control”), or, as with Covid or inflation, impinging reality is too obviously contradicting the Narrative (no one has Covid, but relatives and neighbors are dying from boosters; Biden says economy is OK but grocery sack keeps getting smaller).
https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/faculty_scholarship/1398/There – he said it – a political regime is not a democracy unless it consistently enacts policies favored by at most 25% of the population. And the courts will be central to political decisions.This explains what the Washington Post means when they warn about the death of democracy. There’s also a lot of malarkey about how the European Union, despite all appearances, is really democratic, exemplified by scholar Andrew Moravcsik, househusband of Anne Marie Slaughter, the aptly-named butcher of Libya and Syria. Oligarchy is democracy, war is peace…Replies: @James J O'Meara, @AnotherDad, @BB753
OK, I’ll say it: physiognomy is real.
Both are great for entertaining reading, but deeply and logically constructed opinions are not their strong points.
Adorned by a downright moron. Ha, ha, Mr. Mencken, the word "moron" adds zing to your remarks, the way Alan King explained on the pages of Esquire magazine in his comedic description of airline travel of how "having your luggage sent to Stockholm" is a funny line because Stock-holm, spoken as separated words that way, is a naturally funny place name.
Every leader one disagrees with, of course is a "moron." Mencken was not too pleased with Franklin Roosevelt, who some say was an acculturated intellectual lightweight like, say, John F Kennedy. Mencken had harsh words for Woodrow Wilson, who, if not the most intelligent president (Theodore Roosevelt? Thomas Jefferson?) was certainly the most highly credentialed one? Was Dr. Wilson a moron? Was he a moron because he was credentialed and still exhibited stupefying silliness with the peace he imposed on Europe that went up in smoke in WW-II?
A large number of people, 81 million it is claimed, thought Mr. Trump to be a moron. Do they realize that Mr. Biden is Trump Lite -- everything you ever wanted from a president . . . and less!Replies: @AndrewR
Clinton was one of the brightest presidents we have ever had. But our more recent presidents have all been average at best. Obama is probably the brightest one out of the last four, and I doubt his IQ is above 120. Now Biden makes Trump and Dubya look like geniuses. It’s all so tiresome.
How can they say that? Here's a political science classic, an account of how political machines work from an old time Tammany Hall ward leader: URL: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2810
Tammany Hall is the ancestor of today's Democratic Party. I think that Plunkitt himself would be appalled at his organization's descendant (if only because the Irish don't run it anymore), but the relationship in methodology is clear, as is the historical chain of events. See Plunkitt's section "Reformers Only Mornin' Glories" if you don't want to read the whole book. If you wonder how politicians get rich, see "Honest Graft and Dishonest Graft". I must comment here that the operation of Biden and his son appears to disregard Plunkitt's recommendations, although Nancy Pelosi appears to be following them to the letter.Replies: @jo shmo
just like the ‘our’ in their pronouncement, “diversity is our strength.” (not yours)
https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/faculty_scholarship/1398/There – he said it – a political regime is not a democracy unless it consistently enacts policies favored by at most 25% of the population. And the courts will be central to political decisions.This explains what the Washington Post means when they warn about the death of democracy. There’s also a lot of malarkey about how the European Union, despite all appearances, is really democratic, exemplified by scholar Andrew Moravcsik, househusband of Anne Marie Slaughter, the aptly-named butcher of Libya and Syria. Oligarchy is democracy, war is peace…Replies: @James J O'Meara, @AnotherDad, @BB753
I’ve got a very goyische counter-ideology called “self-government”–“deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed” and all that stuff.
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The Chemerinskys have been an absolute disaster for America. But the single upside is clarity.
Man’s core problem since settlement–the neolithic agricultural revolution–has been parasite control. In the before time life was violent but we were free. After settlement had us laboring away in one place … the parasites showed up to take advantage. If it wasn’t barbarians sweeping in from the steppe to loot and rape, it was the local thugs declaring themselves to be “lords” and entitled to loot you … though in theory in return for protection from the barbarians.
When i was a kid and learned about feudalism and serfdom i thought “man that sucks”, glad we don’t have that anymore. Boy was i wrong.
Now we Americans are serfs again, but this time with looting parasitic elites who wave invadersin to loot us more!
– Winston Churchill
"Democracy is a system of government in which two idiots can overrule a wise man."
– Adolph Hitler
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. MenckenReplies: @Inquiring Mind, @Wilkey, @AnotherDad
Churchill, whose hand was in many of the decisions precipitating the 20th century’s disasters was one of those elites who really, really needed the check of feedback from responsible–less rash–men.
https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/faculty_scholarship/1398/There – he said it – a political regime is not a democracy unless it consistently enacts policies favored by at most 25% of the population. And the courts will be central to political decisions.This explains what the Washington Post means when they warn about the death of democracy. There’s also a lot of malarkey about how the European Union, despite all appearances, is really democratic, exemplified by scholar Andrew Moravcsik, househusband of Anne Marie Slaughter, the aptly-named butcher of Libya and Syria. Oligarchy is democracy, war is peace…Replies: @James J O'Meara, @AnotherDad, @BB753
“Among the creepiest and most hypocritical is Erwin Chemerinsky (…)”
He looks like he’s five minutes from being metooed..
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The Chemerinskys have been an absolute disaster for America. But the single upside is clarity.
Man's core problem since settlement--the neolithic agricultural revolution--has been parasite control. In the before time life was violent but we were free. After settlement had us laboring away in one place ... the parasites showed up to take advantage. If it wasn't barbarians sweeping in from the steppe to loot and rape, it was the local thugs declaring themselves to be "lords" and entitled to loot you ... though in theory in return for protection from the barbarians.
When i was a kid and learned about feudalism and serfdom i thought "man that sucks", glad we don't have that anymore. Boy was i wrong.
Now we Americans are serfs again, but this time with looting parasitic elites who wave invadersin to loot us more!Replies: @SafeNow
Ah, memories. I am ancient, and my recollection is that when I was a kid, everything was fine in the society. I confess my memory isn’t what it used to be, but it’s still pretty good.
Did you tease that supposition out of reading any or all of his ghost-written autobiographies?
I doubt Obama’s IQ is at best more than a few points north of 100. He was hand-picked and developed over years by Cabal to be America’s first black President, and he generally did just fine when he stuck to the prompter.
As an old joke went, “I’m happy with the smoking, b-ball playing black half of Obama; my issue is with his socialist, mid-wit White half.”
In any case, Obama is pretty bright for a "black," as Sailer would say.
But it will never cease to amaze me how the first "black" president was the son of a Kenyan and a WASP. What astounds me even more is that most Americans, including blacks, consider him "black"
Hungary is a small, wonderful-to-visit and geopolitically entirely inconsequential country — but Orbán as a devil-like narrative device is just too good for the NYT to not exploit, and club its devoted lib readers over the head with.
Years ago, a friend had intended to visit Hungary on summer vacation — he read an Orbán hit piece that left readers with the impression that goose-stepping Hungo fascists were excuting innocents in the streets.
He called me to confirm and I assured him that not only weren’t their public executions in the streets, Budapest’s historic Jewish Districts were, in fact, thriving and were without a doubt, the most hip & happening places to party in the entire country.
I assume that some of Orbán hysteria is driven by personal animus and that someone relatively high up at the NYT is the offspring of Hungarian emigres who likely had sympathies for the Hungarian commies of yesteryear.
Not to mention, Orbán’s obstreperous and outspoken nature coupled with an easy to pronounce 4 syllable name — makes him the perfect bogeyman.
Anyone interested in Hungarian politics would do well to read this even-handed summary of how-we-got-there-in-today’s-Hungary.
https://quillette.com/2021/08/13/20-hungarian-lessons-the-west-is-still-missing/Replies: @SZ, @John Pepple, @Jack D
Thanks for the link. From that link, I clicked on this further link:
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/public-diplomacy-and-the-risk-of-overmoralizing/
and found this priceless quote:
As [Orban] put it in a recent speech, Hungary “is an island of peace and security” in comparison to Western Europe, which is “twisting in the multicultural grip of their vindictive colonies.”
Hungary is a small, wonderful-to-visit and geopolitically entirely inconsequential country — but Orbán as a devil-like narrative device is just too good for the NYT to not exploit, and club its devoted lib readers over the head with.
Years ago, a friend had intended to visit Hungary on summer vacation — he read an Orbán hit piece that left readers with the impression that goose-stepping Hungo fascists were excuting innocents in the streets.
He called me to confirm and I assured him that not only weren’t their public executions in the streets, Budapest’s historic Jewish Districts were, in fact, thriving and were without a doubt, the most hip & happening places to party in the entire country.
I assume that some of Orbán hysteria is driven by personal animus and that someone relatively high up at the NYT is the offspring of Hungarian emigres who likely had sympathies for the Hungarian commies of yesteryear.
Not to mention, Orbán’s obstreperous and outspoken nature coupled with an easy to pronounce 4 syllable name — makes him the perfect bogeyman.
Anyone interested in Hungarian politics would do well to read this even-handed summary of how-we-got-there-in-today’s-Hungary.
https://quillette.com/2021/08/13/20-hungarian-lessons-the-west-is-still-missing/Replies: @SZ, @John Pepple, @Jack D
Thanks for the link to the Quillette article. Today’s NY Times doesn’t really do subtlety anymore, at least not when they are discussing something other than black crime (then suddenly “it’s complicated”).
What they want to convey in their articles is what the loyal sheeple should be thinking. Is this foreign leader BAD like the Orange Man or is he GOOD like Joe Biden? 20 point articles contain 19 points too many. There is only ONE point. Is he a GOOD man or is he a BAD person? Orban is most assuredly BAD.
Last week my wife, the Hungarian/American/Romanian triple citizen, received a letter from Victor Orbán.
“Orbán Victor” is how they put his name on the envelope, in their way. I found it in our mailbox. I love it when my wife gets letters from great men, as long as they are far away…
In the letter, Orbán asks Hungarians to defend true freedom and democracy by voting in the next election. My wife will vote for him, as she always does. I agree with her.
This article is a great illustration of a much larger phenomenon which probably comes into play in case of other countries as well. It is standard operating procedure for globalist NGOs, the Soros empire etc to:
1) recruit and fund activists in foreign countries who agree with their agenda
2) have them publish their radical opinions/POWs as unbiased, objective reporting in flagship Western papers like the NYT
3) have other activists back in the home country review these articles in local media as evidence of disapproval coming from an important and trustworthy place. If Orbán wasn’t evil, the NYT wouldn’t write that he is!
Of course this strategy can sway opinions both domestically (in Hungary) and abroad (like in the US).
Although it is never mentioned, one of the authors, Benjamin Novak is a former correspondent of 444.hu, a Soros-funded Hungarian leftist-globalist news portal. This article is his highly biased personal opinion, full of misrepresentations and obvious fabrications like Orbán’s threat to Weber which is totally out of character. 444.hu has since then wrote about this NYT article to its Hungarian audience and cites it as evidence of Western disapproval of Orbán.
In Hungary, this phenomenon is so well known that it even has its own name which could be anglicized as “belaweyering”. Bela Weyer was a journalist for left-wing journal HVG but he was also well-connected in Germany, where mainstream papers would publish his articles criticizing right-wing governments. Weyer’s colleageus in turn would review these for HVG in Hungarian as evidence that serious people in Germany are also disapprove of the government. They probably do this in every other smaller country where there is no serious English-language media to provide a more detailed coverage. In Hungary, pretty much the only people who bother to write in English about the politics of the country are Soros people trying to summon the CIA cavalry for a color revolution.
American readers, like everybody else, tend to suffer from Gell-Mann amnesia. They know the NYT is BS about the January 6 protests or BLM, but they often believe it about Taiwan, Ukraine or Hungary. (The NYT does publish correct and high-quality information). But foreign reporting in mainstream papers, especially when critical of a goverment and even if believable or written in dispassionate English, is very often just the personal opinion of a CIA/Soros activist posing as an unbiased expert.
please.
“EU” is a euphemism.
use “fourth reich”.
Some wag pointed out that there had already been a pan-European military— Hitler’s Waffen SS. According to this person, 60% of the Waffen SS was non-German by the end of the war. Can’t say whether this is true or not, but I have read the last soldiers fighting (literally) in the rubble of the Führer Bunker were French members of the Waffen SS division Charlemagne.Replies: @JMcG
I’ve already said that most MacDonald’s claims were bogus. Since I am not too interested in the topic (Peterson, Jewish conspiracy, IQ, Ivy League over/under-representation,..), I’ll just copy-paste what I’ve posted on his magnum opus & that would be it.
To analyze most of his specific claims is as useless & boring as are most of his grand assertions.
* Jews “follow group evolutionary strategy”. He didn’t prove that such a strategy exists at all, apart from a trivial observation that any human collective wants to preserve its identity & to thrive. No “strategy” in such a behavior.
* also, the author’s description of “Jewish movements” is non-verifiable & actually difficult to describe. From what I know of Marxism, psychoanalysis or Leninism- these were not “Jewish” movements, neither in intellectual genesis nor with regard to their proponents.
What about other intellectual currents, prominent in the 20th & 21st C? Do these movements or cultural currents qualify as “Jewish”: anarchism, free-love leftism, Expressionism, Cubism, Dadaism, German phenomenology in philosophy, cultural critique (Derrida & Foucault following Heidegger), New Left with its post-1968 ideology, multiculturalism as ideology, Jungian archetypal psychology, New Age ideologies, radical Feminism, “New Atheism”, evolutionary psychology, sociobiology, various schools of economics (Austrian, Chicago,..), structuralism in humanities, ..?
* what about areas where ethnic Jews are over-represented in the 20th & 21st fields: theoretical physics, all branches of mathematics, chess masters, computer science, violin virtuosi, philanthropists in arts & curators of museums, film directors & producers, ..? Are these areas somehow driven by Jewish interests, whether conscious or not? How can we ascertain this?
Although I admire MacDonald’s work in demolition of maudlin myth the core American Jewish community has over time built about themselves (eternal victims & universal humanitarians), I don’t see his work as dispassionate analysis that would be close to even such a non-exact “science” as evolutionary psychology claims to be. With its broad sweep of generalizations, MacDonald’s work on historical traits of Judaism (as cultural-historical identity) is not unlike other historiosophies, similar to St. Augustine, Gioacchino da Fiore, Hegel, Marx or Spengler.
There are insights in these works- but they are basically an imaginative construction, not more.
Jews are ethnic religious tribalists who had, many of them, lived in Europe for more than 2000 years. Somewhere during Nero's rule, they constituted 5-10% of the Roman Empire, i.e. 5-6 million people. Had they had an opportunity for natural growth, there would have been ca. 250-400 million of them now. But, most of them assimilated, vanished into greater Pagan & then Christian communities. So much for stubborn insistence of religious-ethnic pride.
There is no “group evolutionary strategy”, only if it stands for something trivial: any ethnic-national group wants to exist ad infinitum & prosper. This applies to every single human community.
As for Jews being particularly ethno-centric, this may be the truth in comparison with some other groups, but they didn’t differ from Zoroastrian Iranians or Hindu Brahmins; there is no way to empirically verify whether their ethnocentrism is rooted in ancient religious texts older than 1500 years (Babylonian Talmud, 250-600 AD) or something else. No causal connection can be made & all this is bogus.
With regard to MacDonald’s thesis that Jews are culturally-genetically predisposed to domination in host societies, this is an easily refutable canard: they lived harmoniously, peacefully & productively during Parthian, Zoroastrian, Abbasid empires, Cordoba caliphate, Ottoman Empire…as well as in the 17th-18th C Netherlands or the 18th C Prussia. They tried (and to a larger degree succeeded) to assimilate into British & German Empires, from the beginning to the end.
MacDonald’s theses are very simple & cannot pass the test of any rational & empirical investigation.
Jews are, according to him, essentially, due to a compound of genes, history, religious ideology,… eternal enemy of the “white race”. Not real. They lived among Europeans for almost 2 millennia & had virtually always been at the receiving end. After their Enlightenment at the end of the 18th C, they avidly secularized themselves & were literally hungry for the riches of high European culture (arts, sciences, technology, ..), trying to assimilate as fast as they could. No “evolutionary group strategy” here, not anything that would preserve them as an alien dominant cultural-biological ethnicity..
Jews are far from a monolith existing in MacDonald fantasy. It is true they, those of them who still possess Jewish identity, try to help their co-religionists if they are in trouble (which is a perfectly normal behavior). But, their primary loyalty is to their host societies, which can be seen from German Jewish behavior during WW1, when their military deaths were higher than their percentage in the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenz%C3%A4hlung French Jews fought for France, British for Britain etc.
According to MacDonald, Jews are basically destructive to a host society, like a group of pathogen bacteria swarming & sucking life out of their host-victim. They’re, actually, not unlike cancer. Another example of dehumanization & antisemitic nonsense. What does he say about the good they’ve done to their host societies, in culture, wealth, inventions, development of commerce, journalism, agriculture, arts,..
Persistent MacDonald’s myth is about their extraordinarily high levels of endogamous practice. In reality, Catholic and Protestants didn’t mix much until the 20th C, and Jews (not converts) have been in mixed marriages with German Christians at the rate of 30-40%, during 1933 (Hitler’s rise to power); now, more than 50-60% of Jews outmarry and more than 80-90% of them do so in Russia. Where is this MacDonald’s grand “evolutionary strategy”?
Then, he is tendentious. MacDonald presents Spanish conversos/Marranos from the 15th and 16th C as ethnically-racially homogeneous groups. A part of them must have stayed that way- it is perfectly natural that forcibly converted people (who had already possessed their written culture & rituals) will adopt chameleon-like behavior. So did Moriscos, forcibly converted Muslim Arabs. So, it’s not about specific Jewish traits; it is about religious violence & natural resistance of people who had found themselves on the receiving end of pressure for religious conformity. MacDonald implies that many, perhaps most Marranos succeeded in surviving the Inquisition in the next 2-3 centuries. True, some Marranos have succeeded to retain their identity & emigrate later to the Netherlands or Ottoman empire, but most of them vanished into broader Iberian societies.
Conspicuously, MacDonald has glossed over the fact that most Jewish Germans in the 19th C had been assimilated with high percentage of intermarriage. Marranos in the 16th C did-at least a part of them-tried to retain their separate identity. Not so in early 19th C Germany, where many Jews had voluntarily been baptized & completely assimilated into German society-no Jewish separatism & tribal behavior. No “Jewish Christian” secret societies, clannish behavior, endogamous marriages…
The Mendelssohn family simply disappeared among other Germans.
How so if they're an eternally alien ethnic group? Where can I see that famous survival strategy? This “strategy”, it seems, leads only to obliteration of a separate national identity.
Or, after all, Einstein (whose descendants are not Jews) was right: If it were not for antisemitism, Jews would have dispersed like leaves in the wind.Replies: @Ben tillman
You haven’t read his books. You don’t even know what he wrote. Suffice it say that numerous Jewish sources admit the “group evolutionary strategy” observation. Your stuff about intermarriage is preposterously stupid and irrelevant. As is everything else you wrote.
https://c.tenor.com/0YKW6LKtcMQAAAAC/welles-lime.gif
“Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy: A Critical Analysis of Kevin MacDonald’s Theory,” Human Nature 29, no. 2 (2018): 134–156.“Is Kevin MacDonald’s Theory of Judaism ‘Plausible’? A Response to Dutton (2018),” Evolutionary Psychological Science 5, no. 1 (2019): 143–150.More at Cofnas' site linked above.
Read some of his comments for comic relief, if you must.
We see the same pattern in the United States with excess deaths much higher in 2021 than 2020 for Americans under the age of 45. It is starting to look like the largest experiment on human beings in recorded history has failed. If these report holds true, that excess deaths have soared in 2021 we need to investigate what caused the spike in excess deaths this year. So far excess deaths appear significantly higher this year than 2020. COVID does not explain it, as 80% of COVID deaths are among people over the age of 65, while excess deaths is much higher for those under 45 this year compared to 2020.Replies: @HA, @HA, @utu, @Jack D
“COVID does not explain it, as 80% of COVID deaths are among people over the age of 65, while excess deaths is much higher for those under 45 this year compared to 2020.”
Did you include long-COVID, which, since it lasts months, incurs a death toll as late as the following year?
You think maybe some assorted grab bag of fatigue, diarrhea, vomiting, weight loss, PTSD, etc. couldn’t explain increased mortality rates in the following year? But no, of course we gotta blame those vaccines!
I caught COVID (i.e., a minor cold) and was hoping for at least the weight loss, but no dice.Replies: @El Dato
We see the same pattern in the United States with excess deaths much higher in 2021 than 2020 for Americans under the age of 45. It is starting to look like the largest experiment on human beings in recorded history has failed. If these report holds true, that excess deaths have soared in 2021 we need to investigate what caused the spike in excess deaths this year. So far excess deaths appear significantly higher this year than 2020. COVID does not explain it, as 80% of COVID deaths are among people over the age of 65, while excess deaths is much higher for those under 45 this year compared to 2020.Replies: @HA, @HA, @utu, @Jack D
“COVID does not explain it, as 80% of COVID deaths are among people over the age of 65, while excess deaths is much higher for those under 45 this year compared to 2020.”
Did you factor long-COVID, which affects many more people, and since it lasts months, causes a long-tail death toll as late as the following year?
You think maybe some assorted grab bag of fatigue, difficulty breathing, diarrhea, vomiting, weight loss, generalized anxiety, PTSD, etc. might go a ways towards explaining increased mortality rates in the following year, even if it’s for some “unrelated” reason like overdoses, increased susceptibility to car wrecks, alcoholism, etc.? Note that to the extent the young are less likely to die, that means they’re the ones who are more likely to have deal with long-COVID.
Nah, who are we kidding? — we gotta blame those vaccines! And also Sailer.
OK, then …
He might better have said that the best argument against “democracy” was that the voters made him prime minister.
The fact that Kalergi was a prominent Mason and idealized Jews as the natural aristocracy of a United Europe makes his work a wonderful cocktail for conspiracy theories. Kalergi was a visionary and promoter of a new Europe. What you see happening today does seem to fit the prophesy.
Orban may be many things but among them perhaps he is a Hungarian who wishes to be a Hungarian first and Pan-European second. He realizes a Hungary no longer peopled by Hungarians is just a spot on a map awaiting a new name. The people who elected him feel the same way. The unelected officials in Brussels feel along the lines of Kalergi.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
Kalergi was a sort of well-meaning fantasist who dreamed of a universal peace, had projected his own racial-ethnic insecurities on the European world & had found, for some time, a sympathetic audience among peace-oriented European, mainly German intellectuals.
His booklet published in 1925 is not some master-plan for genocide of whites, but a booklet typical for that unhinged era when various absurd ideas had been floating around, from Dadaism to Anthroposophy.
To think that Kalergi, before the WW2, A-Bomb, triumphant Communism, decolonization of Africa and Asia, the New Left & the 60s upheavals, modern technology, fall of Communism, modernization of all these societies,… somehow cooked up in advance those ideas, along with some Masons & Jews, 100 years before they actually have been starting to pose a real threat to the affluent Western societies- bespeaks of an incredible historical, economical & cultural illiteracy.
I don't believe in any master plan. Kalergi wasn't the first person to come up with the idea of a raceless society. He is the only person I've ever heard of calling Jews "the spiritual nobility of Europe. " Mixed with his calls for the rest of Europe to be a Negroid/Egyptian it's triggering to some people but he meant it in a humane way.
Orban believes in a homeland for Hungarians and so do the people who elected him.
"The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils."
I try to be generous during Christmastide.
In any case, Obama is pretty bright for a “black,” as Sailer would say.
But it will never cease to amaze me how the first “black” president was the son of a Kenyan and a WASP. What astounds me even more is that most Americans, including blacks, consider him “black”
I’ve had COVID and definitely need to find some way to work this “long-COVID” angle into a generous SSDI payment. But then somebody would catch me hiking, fishing or lifting weights and that would be it for my #COVIDSurvivor gig.
Suffice it to say that numerous white sources admit the “Critical Race Theory” and “systemic racism” observations.
Such a statement would be both no less accurate and no more compelling than yours. The remainder of your comment consisted entirely of empty, completely unsubstantiated assertions.
Nathan Cofnas has read and responded in-detail to Kevin MacDonald’s writings on Jews:
“Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy: A Critical Analysis of Kevin MacDonald’s Theory,” Human Nature 29, no. 2 (2018): 134–156.
“Is Kevin MacDonald’s Theory of Judaism ‘Plausible’? A Response to Dutton (2018),” Evolutionary Psychological Science 5, no. 1 (2019): 143–150.
More at Cofnas’ site linked above.
“But then somebody would catch me hiking, fishing or lifting weights…”
Beats dying, for sure. But you might want to look around to see if any of your buddies who got COVID at the same time you did might not be feeling chipper enough to go hiking and fishing and weightlifting in the way you are, because for some strange reason he can’t figure out, he’s still sore and “out of it” even months later.
I suspect that’s not an uncommon scenario — that “one was taken, one was left behind” randomness of a disease like this — and if so, it would go a long way towards fueling any depression or sense of isolation and inferiority your buddy might ordinarily be able to rise above, and that could easily lead to another instance of elevated mortality rates.
Nah, who am I kidding? That’s crazy talk — it’s gotta be those masks and vaccines. And also Sailer.
And, you've probably got fibromyalgia, Morgellon's disease, thoracic outlet syndrome, and TMJ as well. Sorry lady. Better genetics in the next life.
“Long-COVID” is probably sequelae of ventilation, which is horribly injurious.
And, you’ve probably got fibromyalgia, Morgellon’s disease, thoracic outlet syndrome, and TMJ as well. Sorry lady. Better genetics in the next life.
But to think that the current Western civilization crisis has roots in his ideas is similar to drawing the conclusion that the Gulag system is well planned in Fourier's silly utopian socialism.
And speaking of Jews, here is a good refutation of Kevin MacDonald's "theories" on Judaism's influence, not going into the "philosophical morass" I sometimes indulge myself plunging into. In short, MacDonald is perhaps 30% right, but generally- wrong (skip the whining & annoying intro & go straight to the interview).
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/kevin-macdonald-american-anti-semitism
American RacistReplies: @mc23, @Ben tillman, @utu
Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi was the first (1950) recipient of The Charlemagne Prize that is awarded for work done in the service of European unification.
He was behind the Pan-Europa Movement with his manifesto Paneuropa (1923).
Nazis considered the Pan-European Union to be under the control of Freemasonry.
His wartime politics and adventures served as the real life basis for fictional Resistance hero Victor Laszlo, the Paul Henreid character in Casablanca.
Coudenhove-Kalergi proposed Beethoven’s “Ode to Joy” as the Anthem of Europe in 1929
In his 1925 book Practical Idealism, Coudenhove-Kalergi envisioned an all-encompassing race of the future made up of “Eurasian-Negroid[s],” replacing “the diversity of peoples” and “[t]oday’s races and classes” with a “diversity of individuals.”
And Jews as as new aristocracy (Führerrasse) ruling over the race of new Egyptians if you read closer his book:
“The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-negroid race of the future, similar in appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples and the diversity of individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her will, refined and educated this people, driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process. It’s not surprising that the people that escaped from the Ghetto-Prison, became the spiritual nobility of Europe. Thus, the compassionate care given by Europe created a new breed of aristocrats. This happened when the European feudal aristocracy crashed because of the emancipation of the Jews.”
“The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.”
You forgot the link. Best wishes for 2022.
Sometimes the people who love you hurt you more.
Just curious.Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
Viktor Orban is accused (by who?) of being a violent, tyrannical neo-Hitler, simply because he does not want to have large crowds of hostile alien Muslims settling in his tiny country. The people leveling these accusations seem blissfully ignorant of the 1,000+ years of vicious warfare, pillage, rape and slavery waged by hostile, alien Islam against places like… well, Hungary.
He is accused of being a violent, mass-murdering thug, with mysteriously no mass murders; when I brought up the example of an _actual_ violent, brutal, torture-happy, mass-murdering tyrannical thug in fairly recent Hungarian history, the monster Bela Kun, you completely ignored the major premise and at once went straight to interrogating me about my attitude towards his Jewishness.
Why is that?
Just curious.
Go!
(Side advantage: at least Orban is actually Hungarian.)
The above post that I responded to contains 19 words, and doesn't remotely conjure up what you here need two paragraphs to describe as your original major premise. I specifically responded to your comment that Orban is "actually Hungarian," while Kun presumably was not. I'm still curious as to what you believe to be the necessary criteria for being "actually Hungarian."
Hungarian film White God (2014)
We see the same pattern in the United States with excess deaths much higher in 2021 than 2020 for Americans under the age of 45. It is starting to look like the largest experiment on human beings in recorded history has failed. If these report holds true, that excess deaths have soared in 2021 we need to investigate what caused the spike in excess deaths this year. So far excess deaths appear significantly higher this year than 2020. COVID does not explain it, as 80% of COVID deaths are among people over the age of 65, while excess deaths is much higher for those under 45 this year compared to 2020.Replies: @HA, @HA, @utu, @Jack D
Excess death is usually expressed as percentage over the number of deaths in previous years. Less people die among younger than among older in absolute numbers thus percentage of excess death among young can be higher than among older.
From 2019 to 2020 death rates (all causes) increased:
23.8% for 25–34
24.5% for 35–44
20.7% for 45–54
17.6% for 55–64
17.4% for 65–74
16.0% for 75–84
15.0% for 85 and over
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db427.htm
This character “Bardon Kaldian”, is one of the most disingenuous and ridiculous commenters on this website. He is a Croat Zionist (!) neocon; anti-Serbian and anti-Russian to the hilt – but for some reason living as an immigrant in Australia, instead of in his beloved native Croatia! He is emblematic of the type of cretins that the Anglo-Zionist Empire relies on worldwide for support and propaganda.
Read some of his comments for comic relief, if you must.
He was behind the Pan-Europa Movement with his manifesto Paneuropa (1923).
Nazis considered the Pan-European Union to be under the control of Freemasonry.
His wartime politics and adventures served as the real life basis for fictional Resistance hero Victor Laszlo, the Paul Henreid character in Casablanca.
Coudenhove-Kalergi proposed Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" as the Anthem of Europe in 1929
In his 1925 book Practical Idealism, Coudenhove-Kalergi envisioned an all-encompassing race of the future made up of "Eurasian-Negroid[s]," replacing "the diversity of peoples" and "[t]oday's races and classes" with a "diversity of individuals."
And Jews as as new aristocracy (Führerrasse) ruling over the race of new Egyptians if you read closer his book:
“The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-negroid race of the future, similar in appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples and the diversity of individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her will, refined and educated this people, driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process. It’s not surprising that the people that escaped from the Ghetto-Prison, became the spiritual nobility of Europe. Thus, the compassionate care given by Europe created a new breed of aristocrats. This happened when the European feudal aristocracy crashed because of the emancipation of the Jews.”
"The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals."Replies: @Anon, @mc23
Thanks. Well, that does fit nicely with the picture of the future for the Noachid subject people painted in judaism.is Trans humanism, the domain of the ultra-rich, also suggests a world with superhumans and lesser beings toiling in the underground tunnels of Cesar’s marble villas. Plus ça chance, plus ça reste la même chose.
You forgot the link. Best wishes for 2022.
He is accused of being a violent, mass-murdering thug, with mysteriously no mass murders; when I brought up the example of an _actual_ violent, brutal, torture-happy, mass-murdering tyrannical thug in fairly recent Hungarian history, the monster Bela Kun, you completely ignored the major premise and at once went straight to interrogating me about my attitude towards his Jewishness.
Why is that?
Just curious.Replies: @HFR
Quick comparison for historical illiterates: Viktor Orban vs. Bela Kun.
Go!
(Side advantage: at least Orban is actually Hungarian.)
The above post that I responded to contains 19 words, and doesn’t remotely conjure up what you here need two paragraphs to describe as your original major premise. I specifically responded to your comment that Orban is “actually Hungarian,” while Kun presumably was not. I’m still curious as to what you believe to be the necessary criteria for being “actually Hungarian.”
We see the same pattern in the United States with excess deaths much higher in 2021 than 2020 for Americans under the age of 45. It is starting to look like the largest experiment on human beings in recorded history has failed. If these report holds true, that excess deaths have soared in 2021 we need to investigate what caused the spike in excess deaths this year. So far excess deaths appear significantly higher this year than 2020. COVID does not explain it, as 80% of COVID deaths are among people over the age of 65, while excess deaths is much higher for those under 45 this year compared to 2020.Replies: @HA, @HA, @utu, @Jack D
How could the “experiment” have failed if most of the people dying were unvaccinated?
As utu points out, excess deaths are expressed as a percentage. People under 45 don’t die a lot so any significant increase (such as the unvaccinated dying from Covid) is going to show up as a large % increase in that group.
Orban is an opportunist, much like Putin and Trump. His primary interest is enriching himself, his family members and political allies. He adopted nationalism as a political strategy because he realized it was a niche he could exploit, and nationalism bought him the loyalty of a large constituency that was being ignored. I don’t like Orban on a personal level because he is a hypocrite and a sanctimonious liar.
On the other hand, I understand the argument that a hypocrite paying lip service to populism and nationalism is still better than a sincere globalist. Although, my concern is that people like Orban and Putin just provide a false sense of security. They talk loudly, but underneath nothing really changes – entrepreneurs leave the country, Western capital continues to dominate entertainment, the influences of globalist rot continue to appeal to young people, established Christianity becomes tarnished with the aura of government collaboration. People over 50 get to pretend things are fine for now, but there is no future on offer.
Ironically, the best thing to happen to Russia under Putin has been Western sanctions – the growth of local business over the past 4 years, particularly in consumer goods. is truly encouraging. If Orban were serious about a Hungarian renaissance he would leave the EU tomorrow. But since his economy is basically surviving through the good graces of the German auto industry – unlikely.
A lot of the world’s strongest economies went thru a protectionist phase where they would not let in imported goods. OTOH, a lot of the shittiest economies did the same and all it did was retard their development even more.
Being isolated from global competition may be good for local producers but not for local consumers who pay more than the world price for goods that are in many cases inferior. And it’s not like the average Russian consumer is rolling in dough such that paying extra for Russian poultry or whatever is something that they can easily afford.
He was behind the Pan-Europa Movement with his manifesto Paneuropa (1923).
Nazis considered the Pan-European Union to be under the control of Freemasonry.
His wartime politics and adventures served as the real life basis for fictional Resistance hero Victor Laszlo, the Paul Henreid character in Casablanca.
Coudenhove-Kalergi proposed Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" as the Anthem of Europe in 1929
In his 1925 book Practical Idealism, Coudenhove-Kalergi envisioned an all-encompassing race of the future made up of "Eurasian-Negroid[s]," replacing "the diversity of peoples" and "[t]oday's races and classes" with a "diversity of individuals."
And Jews as as new aristocracy (Führerrasse) ruling over the race of new Egyptians if you read closer his book:
“The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-negroid race of the future, similar in appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples and the diversity of individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her will, refined and educated this people, driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process. It’s not surprising that the people that escaped from the Ghetto-Prison, became the spiritual nobility of Europe. Thus, the compassionate care given by Europe created a new breed of aristocrats. This happened when the European feudal aristocracy crashed because of the emancipation of the Jews.”
"The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals."Replies: @Anon, @mc23
If Kalergi had been trying to promote Jewphobic conspiracy theories he could not have written anything more suitable to the task.
Sometimes the people who love you hurt you more.
His booklet published in 1925 is not some master-plan for genocide of whites, but a booklet typical for that unhinged era when various absurd ideas had been floating around, from Dadaism to Anthroposophy.
To think that Kalergi, before the WW2, A-Bomb, triumphant Communism, decolonization of Africa and Asia, the New Left & the 60s upheavals, modern technology, fall of Communism, modernization of all these societies,... somehow cooked up in advance those ideas, along with some Masons & Jews, 100 years before they actually have been starting to pose a real threat to the affluent Western societies- bespeaks of an incredible historical, economical & cultural illiteracy.Replies: @mc23
For most people I don’t think you need to discredit the idea of the “Kalergi Plan”.
I don’t believe in any master plan. Kalergi wasn’t the first person to come up with the idea of a raceless society. He is the only person I’ve ever heard of calling Jews “the spiritual nobility of Europe. ” Mixed with his calls for the rest of Europe to be a Negroid/Egyptian it’s triggering to some people but he meant it in a humane way.
Orban believes in a homeland for Hungarians and so do the people who elected him.
“The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils.”
"EU" is a euphemism.
use "fourth reich".Replies: @Paul Mendez
Years ago, the EU made noises about creating a pan-European military.
Some wag pointed out that there had already been a pan-European military— Hitler’s Waffen SS. According to this person, 60% of the Waffen SS was non-German by the end of the war. Can’t say whether this is true or not, but I have read the last soldiers fighting (literally) in the rubble of the Führer Bunker were French members of the Waffen SS division Charlemagne.
Sounds like a lot of nocebo effects.
I caught COVID (i.e., a minor cold) and was hoping for at least the weight loss, but no dice.
Some wag pointed out that there had already been a pan-European military— Hitler’s Waffen SS. According to this person, 60% of the Waffen SS was non-German by the end of the war. Can’t say whether this is true or not, but I have read the last soldiers fighting (literally) in the rubble of the Führer Bunker were French members of the Waffen SS division Charlemagne.Replies: @JMcG
There were two Muslim SS divisions in the Balkans, one Bosnian and one Albanian. A lot of the Balkan wars of the 90s were rooted in memories of the Muslim behavior in the Second World War.
The related crisis in Poland is in many ways more interesting than the one in Hungary. It began in 2015 when the outgoing administration, using the votes of a lame duck session of the legislature, appointed judges to the constitutional tribunal (roughly an upper house of the supreme court with powers to strike down legislation) and the incoming administration reversed the appointments.
There ensued a long story of battles between the branches of government, in which the European Union has consistently opposed the combination of legislature and executive against the judiciary.
The latest development is that the constitutional court of Poland has declared that the constitution of Poland takes precedence over the legal order of the European Union. The toothless legislature and unaccountable executive of the EU have taken issue with this and threatened Poland with “measures”. For unrelated reasons, the equivalent court of Germany made a similar declaration in 2012 and the EU ignored it.
In Hungary, Orban may well be out at the forthcoming presidential election to Peter Marki-Zay, a pseudoconservative who the pro-EU left have agreed not to oppose.
The Polish crisis is not going to go away. It has elements of Marbury vs Madison and Dred Scott. Poland has reason to fear judicial supremacy – search on liberum veto, partitions of Poland, Stanislaw Poniatowski, Dulwich Picture Gallery.
Yeah, Poland sounds like the 1801 transition between the Adams and Jefferson Administration when Adams appointed “midnight judges” at the last moment.
It sounds trivial today but back during the French Revolutionary era it got everybody worked up.
Always makes me think of the massive graphite block of an RBMK nuclear reactor.
One day it’s going to blow.
I caught COVID (i.e., a minor cold) and was hoping for at least the weight loss, but no dice.Replies: @El Dato
Right. I have seen people tripping on nocebo for months.
For some the weight loss is terminal.
Twins Igor and Grichka Bogdanoff, controversial French TV stars, die of COVID-19 after refusing vaccines
Take your vitamin D, K2 and zinc. You can get the coof multiple times.