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We’re coming up on the first anniversary of the fire that destroyed the small aircraft carrier USS Bonhomme Richard on July 12, 2020 in San Diego. It is currently being scrapped. Has anybody heard what caused it?

In August it was reported a sailor was under investigation for arson. But it’s been mums the word ever since.

It’s probably just a coincidence that this multi-billion dollar fire broke out during a nationwide surge in arson due to the Racial Reckoning.

 
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  1. Negroes are excellent sailors and have a long and storied history of maritime excellence. They started crossing the Atlantic back in the 1600’s.

    Plus Scuba Pudding Jr. played Robert DeNiro’s personal cook in some movie about racist sea creatures at the bottom of the ocean of something. I never saw it, but I heard it was pretty realistic.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Mike Tre

    "They started crossing the Atlantic back in the 1600’s."..........right,..... as ballast.

    , @Richard B
    @Mike Tre

    The same template will be used on USS Bonhomme Richard as was used with everything from The USS Liberty, 911 to Covid, George Floyd, etc, etc. before and after.

    1. Victimize - Blame Victim - Play Victim

    2. Destroy the Evidence - Control the Narrative - Enforced the Law (on anyone looking for evidence to question the narrative)

    All of the above so that the hostile elite (and their useful idiots and paid proxies) can be

    3. Placed Above Criticism - Loved Unconditionally - Blindly Obeyed

    Rinse and Repeat until the designated scapegoat internalizes learned helplessness.

    Once the scapegoat is out of the way the hostile elite's empire will collapse.

    And there will be no pause in the fall.

  2. And don’t forget all the spies for China in the US Navy. One was a poster boy for Diversity in the US Navy.

    You gotta understand two things:

    1)Diversity=the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act+post 1965 LEGAL Immigration Policy..

    2)Post-1965 Immigration Policy has massively empowered The Democratic Party…to the point where the Native White Working Class Vote can be nullified at POTUS Election Time…Nov 3 2020…Nov 3 2024….Nov 3 2028…Nov 3 2032…

  3. “just a coincidence” of course!

    • Replies: @Anthony Aaron
    @Dan Hayes

    As with the USS Liberty, there'll be enough BS spread to fill the Grand Canyon … don't want to contradict the narrative we've been given (strangely, by a lot of the same folks) …

  4. Steve,

    I wonder if this will end up being like the loss of the USS Lafayette/ SS Normandie due to fire while in dock and being converted to a troopship.

    https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2014/09/the-sinking-of-the-s-s-normandie-at-nycs-pier-88/

    The “official” explanation was a fire started when sparks from a welding torch started a stack of life vests on fire, but rumors of lax security and sabotage (it happened in February 1942, after the US joined WW2 as a combatant) still persist to this day.

    Then again, the conversion of the Normandie sounded like a very rushed, slipshod affair, so there’s another possibility between the fate of the two ships.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @mmack

    Sounds like the explosion at the Eddystone Arsenal in April, 1917; four days after the US declared war on Germany. It killed 139 munitions plant workers, mostly women and girls. Local legend to this say says that all the workers of German descent stayed home that day.

    , @Alden
    @mmack

    Here’s the theory most Noo Yawkers had about the Normandie.

    The Noo Yawk docks harbor and shipyards were completely controlled by the Mafia. At the beginning of the war, the mafia approached the Navy and offered protection and efficient management.

    The Navy turned the offer down. Whereupon the mafia set the Normandie on fire. NYPD advised the Navy to start paying off the mafia extortionists. The navy do so. And all went well for the rest of the war.

    That was the prevailing theory.

    , @prosa123
    @mmack

    The “official” explanation was a fire started when sparks from a welding torch started a stack of life vests on fire, but rumors of lax security and sabotage (it happened in February 1942, after the US joined WW2 as a combatant) still persist to this day.
    Then again, the conversion of the Normandie sounded like a very rushed, slipshod affair, so there’s another possibility between the fate of the two ships.


    It almost certainly was a welding torch that caused the fire on the Normandie. The investigators, the Coast Guard I would imagine, were skeptical of the welder's story, so to test it out they conducted one of the first-ever accident reconstruction experiments. They had another welder use a similar torch the same distance from a similarly sized pile of the same type of life jackets. To what I'm sure was the immense relief of the original welder , better to be negligent that to be charged with sabotage, the life jackets burst into flame.

    Using a welding torch so close to flammable items was a major safety mistake, but the investigators also established that under the hurried wartime conditions safety rules often fell by the wayside.

    Even after the fire started the ship could have been saved with little damage if it weren't for an unfortunate situation. When firefighters arrived on the scene they attempted to connect their engine hoses with the ship's standpipe system, which would have allowed an attack on the still-small fire using the ship's hoses. Unfortunately the FDNY's hose fittings were incompatible with the standpipe system's French fittings. As the fire engine hoses couldn't reach far enough into the ship to be of any use, and the ship's own pumping system had been disconnected at the start of the conversion project, the only way to fight the fire was with fireboats. This method was far inferior to direct hose attacks, greatly increasing the damage the fire was able to cause, and flooded the hull with so much water that the Normandie capsized after about 12 hours.

    As the fire was raging, one of the marine architects who had designed the ship a decade earlier arrived on the scene and tried to make a suggestion to the fire commanders, that they open valves and let the ship sink partway to the bottom while remaining upright. Doing so would have extinguished the fire while hopefully limiting damage enough that the ship could later be refloated and repaired. Unfortunately, no one listened to the marine architect.

    One persistent rumor was that Mayor LaGuardia narrowly escaped death when the ship capsized mere seconds before he stepped onboard to inspect the damage. In reality, the ship capsized around 2:45am, a couple of hours before LaGuardia was scheduled to arrive.

    Replies: @flyingtiger

  5. Could it be related to ongoing geopolitical ructions?

  6. So I searched for some info, and found this gem:

    It is estimated that the cost to repair the ship would have been in the region of between $2.5 and $3.2 billion, with a time scale of five to seven years to action the repairs required. Astonishing considering she cost around $750 million when she was built.

    Another example of this country becoming an un-serious people.

    • Agree: fish, Yancey Ward
  7. OT: When it comes in the issue Israelis and Palestinians, I find myself Siding with the Palestinians because of the gross in humanity of the Israeli military. Steve, you brilliantly showed how the main stream narrative on BLM is at best a gross misrepresentation of the facts, and at worst a complete fabrication. is the same thing true with the Palestinians? Is the main stream media pulling another fast one? I would really like to know because I seem to almost instinctively side with the Palestinians, but I would like to hear your take on things because you are more well read on this topic than I am probably

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @ginger bread man

    There exist legitimate complaints (ie, settlement theft and the unique cruelty of a highly intelligent and moralistic people who consider themselves one hundred percent in the right), but it never gets you anywhere because the Palestinians are Muslim rather than Christian martyrs. For every bad Israeli thing there's bad or worse Palestinian reactions, and the thing doesn't proceed from a clean starting point. You can therefore be angry about Israeli crimes and wary of ongoing Israeli criminal activity (eg, against their supposed greatest ally), but it's a mistake to advocate for or side with the Palestinians. I was a long time pro-Palestinian commentator but was behind Israel when it tried to install metal detectors at a world heritage site where people were bringing weapons. I had thought it already had metal detectors.
    If you go looking for evidence you'll find it both ways.

    , @James Speaks
    @ginger bread man

    Even though two of my grandparents came from the area, I was actually an Israel supporter for many years. Around the age of forty, though, I noticed something. If you carefully follow the events, a few patterns emerge.

    Whenever there is supposed to be a peace deal, Israel provokes Palestine though some, as you describe it, inhumane action and the media barely mention it. Whatever the Palestinians do is reported widely and treated as the provocation for the inevitable Israeli murderous response.

    It's much like negro kills white - no big deal. White microaggresses against negro and the media are all over it painting the whites as oppressors, and the negroes rampage, burning, looting and murdering. Israelis are the negroes; they get preferential treatment, they are the aggressors, and they claim victim status.

    Another site did a study a few decades ago about under reporting and over reporting. Israeli aggression is under reported - that it is mentioned once if at all, and always with a pro-Israel slant. "Israeli troops stop Palestinian terrorists throwing rock by bombing Gaza. 100 militants killed."

    Anything Palestinians did would be reported over and over and the clear message was that Palestinians commit many times more acts of violence than Israelis, but the opposite would be true.

    Even though the news would portray Palestinians as untrustworthy and the IDF/MOSSAD operatives in blogs would call any Palestinian a liar, once you started to follow the news and keep track of what is actually happenng, it becomes possible to counter the Zionist Brigade and prove that they are liars.

    There's more but you should find it yourself.
    1) Keep track of events and notice biased language.
    2) Figure out who is the liar and who tells the truth, and figure out who steals land and water from whom.

    The empowerment is wonderful. There are no Zionists who have argued with me in person who have won or have escaped with their reputation and self-esteem intact.

    , @james wilson
    @ginger bread man

    Is it impossible to imagine that both parties are repugnant? Why would one feel the need to favor one over another? It fills some human need to pick sides in a fight.
    Palestinians were once a better people. They have not distinquished themselves in this. It seems unlikely they will recover as a people.
    As for Israel, it is important that Americans become entirely disintralled with the subject.

  8. Biden speaking directly here to hypothetical-Americans. He’s going to peel off half the Republican Party at this rate. Might as well he’s already got their elected representatives.

    Arson and sabotage don’t exist in hypothetical-land, which is a big reason why most Rs live there.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Desiderius

    "How would the world view the United States if it were widely known that we were interfering in the elections of other countries?"

    They would think that the US President has porridge for brains? (ting!)

    Actually, the standing of the US among Israelis is generally favorable. (ba-doom boom!)

    Hey, that's racist, my family came here from Ukraine! (swish!)

    You're a great audience. Try the veal . . . I will be here all week.

    , @Paul Rise
    @Desiderius

    People in red states are done with Biden. He's one bad set of economic figures away from being completely abandoned by the media that fawned over him. If he tries a war, short of the US actually being clearly attacked by a foreign nation, they will turn on him even more viciously.

    Things are going to be very interesting over next decade, but I dont think Old Joe is going to be much of a player in any of it. Another difference between him and Trump...

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Colin Wright
    @Desiderius

    If he keeps attacking Israel like that, he's going to be in for a world of hurt.

  9. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/Vinncent/status/1405252147080482821?s=20

    Biden speaking directly here to hypothetical-Americans. He’s going to peel off half the Republican Party at this rate. Might as well he’s already got their elected representatives.

    Arson and sabotage don’t exist in hypothetical-land, which is a big reason why most Rs live there.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Paul Rise, @Colin Wright

    “How would the world view the United States if it were widely known that we were interfering in the elections of other countries?”

    They would think that the US President has porridge for brains? (ting!)

    Actually, the standing of the US among Israelis is generally favorable. (ba-doom boom!)

    Hey, that’s racist, my family came here from Ukraine! (swish!)

    You’re a great audience. Try the veal . . . I will be here all week.

  10. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/Vinncent/status/1405252147080482821?s=20

    Biden speaking directly here to hypothetical-Americans. He’s going to peel off half the Republican Party at this rate. Might as well he’s already got their elected representatives.

    Arson and sabotage don’t exist in hypothetical-land, which is a big reason why most Rs live there.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Paul Rise, @Colin Wright

    People in red states are done with Biden. He’s one bad set of economic figures away from being completely abandoned by the media that fawned over him. If he tries a war, short of the US actually being clearly attacked by a foreign nation, they will turn on him even more viciously.

    Things are going to be very interesting over next decade, but I dont think Old Joe is going to be much of a player in any of it. Another difference between him and Trump…

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Paul Rise

    Paul, nice comment and the more we see of harris as a public figure, the less respect we have for her. Truly one of the weakest tickets ever, but here we are.

    Replies: @Clyde

  11. Is stuff like this ever made public?

    Happy Juneteenth, and don’t forget to talk about the lab leak.

  12. Has anybody heard what caused it?

    Same thing that’s burning down America, burning down the West.

    • Agree: bomag, Alfred Muscaria
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @AnotherDad


    Same thing that’s burning down America, burning down the West.
     
    The problem here is that they have run out of houses to burn on Devils Night in Detriot so now they are moving onto the rest of the nation..
  13. What the hell is Biden talking about?

    Does anybody seriously not believe that the United States tries to interfere with the elections of numerous countries?

    One of the most egregious examples would be Biden’s former boss Obama openly espousing the cause of Remainers in the British brexit referendum and stating that if Brexit won the day, the UK would go to the back of the line for trade deals with the US.

    This example is egregious because it was done out in the open, but there are numerous other examples where the United States or its proxies have done their level best to overturn elected governments by various means.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Jonathan Mason

    Biden's delivery was very clear and articulate for him, which would indicate those were prepared remarks his staff wrote for him. Are the members of his staff smart enough to gaslight like this, or simply ignorant? Do they think it is noble when the United States interferes in other country's elections so it doesn't count as interference?

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    , @Desiderius
    @Jonathan Mason

    Caveat Emptor, suckah!

    Heckuva job, Mason!

    We tried to tell you.

    , @Desiderius
    @Jonathan Mason

    It’s all some infowar LARP some STEMtards dreamed up.

    Pilate and Jesus redux.

    , @J.Ross
    @Jonathan Mason

    Whoa, doctor's on the good pills today.

    , @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jonathan Mason

    'What the hell is Biden talking about?

    'Does anybody seriously not believe that the United States tries to interfere with the elections of numerous countries?'

    Actually, there's a mildly depressing inference to be drawn from this.

    We already knew Biden was an idiot. That's not news.

    However, Biden didn't write that remark, his handlers did. So it follows that whoever Biden's handlers are, they're idiots as well.

    , @aldasfail770
    @Jonathan Mason

    Every time they complain about Russia or China or whoever interfering in American elections I make sure to read this wikipeda page.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

    Dozens of countries. Literally dozens. America is no longer a serious country and is not deserving of any respect.

    No Russian ever called me a "White Supremacist"
    Neither has China.
    Nor has the Philippines my now adopted home. I get treated better in a "third world" country than I ever did in America.

    , @John Cunningham
    @Jonathan Mason

    I seem to recall that the Obama State Dept. Announced publicly that they were donating $10 million to a slate if candidates in a local Moscow election. US NGOs used to invest big bucks in Russian elections.

  14. OT, but hints that money printer may not go brrrr indefinitely, perhaps, one day, far in the future.

    I don’t see how interest rates can rise much given the amount of Govt debt in the UK and US. But the dollar has risen and gold has fallen.

    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I was waiting for the Fed report yesterday and watching the market, which took a little dip right at 2PM EST as this report came out.

    It really goes to show what a mess the money situation has become. First, the core of the press release was "no change" to the target range for the Fed Funds Rate and no lowering of the lower bound for bond purchases. All that changed was that the 2023 median FOMC member forecast for the FFR went up to...wait for it...0.6 percent!!! Oh yeah, they are getting really hawkish /s.

    To give some perspective, after the dot com bubble burst in 2001, the Fed pushed the FFR to what at the time was an historic low of about 1.25% to rescue/inflate the economy. Now, 0.6 pct is considered contractionary.

    As I have thought for a long time, I don't ever see the Fed really being able to normalize rates. There is simply too much debt and debt service simply becomes impossible if rates are allowed to rise to historically normal levels. The system would collapse under debt deflation. Given that, the Fed looks like it will simply have to "tolerate" rising inflation and gamble that the wheels don't come off the dollar-fueled Ponzi train.

    So as to not be fully off topic, I remember smelling a metallic odor in the air the night of the fire from some ways away. There are quite a few navy personnel in my area. I'll ask if anyone has heard anything.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @YetAnotherAnon

    If Gold falls in US Dollar terms, that means it takes more USD to buy the same amount of Gold.

    Gold's (and that of other real, physical assets) intrinsic value stays the same overtime.

    They create USD merely by adding digits to electronic accounts held at the Federal Reserve. Literally Money for Nothing.

    USD is going to trash, and not in some far off future dystopian America.

    "There will be blood."

    It always amused me, when the 4pm money honeys would announce that stocks were up and the dollar was down, or that stocks were down and the dollar was up, without ever recognizing the obvious and direct correlation. They need to report Green every day at 4pm. "You know what I want, Josh, give me the Green!"

  15. • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @PiltdownMan

    Caston's a multi-tasking over achiever. There's no reason they should be serial careers.

    I'd say "He should go far", but he can't go anywhere.

    , @additionalMike
    @PiltdownMan

    Is it possible that he is the first convicted murderer to be elected to public office in the United States?

    , @guest007
    @PiltdownMan

    If looking up the story, it was an Advisory Neighborhood Commission for a precinct that includes the DC Jails, some DC homeless shelters and one newly opened apartment building that is probably not anywhere near filled. Not a big story. What is he going to do: complain about parking, public art work, or homeless incampments?

    Replies: @notbe

    , @Neoconned
    @PiltdownMan

    ......bu....but....but...bwut....bwgdug...HOW? LOL

  16. You want the official story?

    …Rear Adm. Philip Sobeck, commander of Expeditionary Strike Group 3, said the Navy believes the fire began in a lower cargo hold, a deep V area, where marine equipment and vehicles are stored.

    The fire was reported shortly after 8:50 a.m., according to San Diego Fire-Rescue officials. Witnesses reported hearing an explosion. Throughout the day, fumes and smoke that turned black, gray and white billowed from the ship.

    Sobeck said the fire was not fueled by fuel oil, hazardous materials or electrical causes. It is a Class Alpha fire, he said, meaning it was fueled by paper, cloth, rags or other materials in a standard fire. He added he is not concerned about the air quality or toxicity around the fire.

    Sobeck said there was no ordnance on board. There are a million gallons of fuel on board, he said, but that is “well below” any heat source.

    The explosion people heard in the morning was likely caused by a change in air pressure, he said.

    source: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/military/story/2020-07-12/blaze-on-board-uss-bonhamme-richard-at-naval-base-san-diego

    11 of 14 decks were destroyed by a Class A fire and the water used to fight it. I guess that means in the proverbial game of Aircraft Carrier, paper, scissors, that paper burns Aircraft Carrier, scissors cut paper, and Aircraft Carrier crushes scissors.

    The ship was decommissioned in April 2021 and sold for scrap.

    Bonhomme Richard Wreck Reaches Panama; Texas Shipbreaker Buys Hull for $3.66M

    The hull of the former amphibious warship Bonhomme Richard (LHD-6) is approaching the Panama Canal on the way to a Texas shipbreaker for dismantling, USNI News has learned.

    The day after a ceremonial decommissioning at Naval Station San Diego, Calif., the hull was towed into the Pacific, bound for Brownsville, Texas on the Gulf Coast just North of the border with Mexico.

    source: https://news.usni.org/2021/05/05/bonhomme-richard-wreck-reaches-panama-texas-shipbreaker-buys-hull-for-3-66m

    And in the karma of naval ships, Aircraft Carriers are reborn as scissors to take revenge on paper.

  17. @PiltdownMan
    OT:



    A D.C. inmate becomes the city’s first incarcerated person to win elected office

     

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/anc-jail--dc-joel-caston/2021/06/16/e0fc1ab2-ceda-11eb-a7f1-52b8870bef7c_story.html

     

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @additionalMike, @guest007, @Neoconned

    Caston’s a multi-tasking over achiever. There’s no reason they should be serial careers.

    I’d say “He should go far”, but he can’t go anywhere.

  18. @Jonathan Mason
    What the hell is Biden talking about?

    Does anybody seriously not believe that the United States tries to interfere with the elections of numerous countries?

    One of the most egregious examples would be Biden's former boss Obama openly espousing the cause of Remainers in the British brexit referendum and stating that if Brexit won the day, the UK would go to the back of the line for trade deals with the US.

    This example is egregious because it was done out in the open, but there are numerous other examples where the United States or its proxies have done their level best to overturn elected governments by various means.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @aldasfail770, @John Cunningham

    Biden’s delivery was very clear and articulate for him, which would indicate those were prepared remarks his staff wrote for him. Are the members of his staff smart enough to gaslight like this, or simply ignorant? Do they think it is noble when the United States interferes in other country’s elections so it doesn’t count as interference?

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @Barnard

    Maybe they implanted a bio mechanical receiving device that bypasses Old Joe's brain to go direct to his speech center.

  19. Navy should have taken out an insurance policy the Bonhomme Richard, I think GEICO has a warship policy. BUT, the Navy announced this week that they were going to scrap the USS Little Rock which was commissioned in 2017 here in the Buffalo harbor. Four years of duty, marred by engine and transmission problems, not making that up, and now scrap. We can use the steel to build biden bridges.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Buffalo Joe

    All the littoral combat ships are now seen as mistakes as is the whole programme.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

    Though the US is not the only country to have had problems with costs in 'stealth ship' programmes. Even Norway and Sweden had problems with cost overruns and technical issues along with reduced capabilities in the final versions.

    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn't be worth repairing?

    Or say you had a hobbyist submersible drone with some explosives and blew it up under a ship in dock?

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Icy Blast, @The Anti-Gnostic, @YetAnotherAnon, @Desiderius, @Old Prude, @vhrm

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Buffalo Joe

    The Bonhomme Richard sounds like the name of a ship from a Gilbert & Sullivan operetta. I'm sorry she was decommissioned for that reason alone.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @Oscar Peterson
    @Buffalo Joe

    It's incredible.

    LCS, the Gerald Ford's catapult and elevators, the KC-46 tanker, Army's Future Combat System, the endless funding of high-tech aircraft like the B-2 and F-22 whose production lines are halted early because of cost. And then we go on to the next hugely expensive airframes--F-35 and B-21 with the Next Generation fighter already in the wings.

    We spend ungodly amounts of money on futile interventions and regime change wars and fall behind on key emerging technologies--hypersonics, air and missile defense for example.

    My God, we're screwed up.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    , @tyrone
    @Buffalo Joe

    "We can use the steel to build biden bridges."......sorry, the steel will most likely go to China and the "infrastructure " money will be used to pay off demoncrat mayors that let their cities burn.

    , @Gaspar DeLaFunk
    @Buffalo Joe

    We should have sold the ship to Jeff Bezos! He could fix it more efficiently than the government,and he'd have fun driving it around.
    "Hey look at me! I'm the captain!"

  20. The Bonhomme Richard Burning may not be connected to the Racial Reckoning. Some of us older hands will remember the Bonfire of the USS Miami way back in May 2012:

    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2015/06/13/damaged-sub-miami-leaves-shipyard-to-be-scrapped/#:~:text=The%20May%202012%20fire%2C%20which,a%2017%2Dyear%20prison%20sentence.

    The ship had to be scrapped after a disgruntled worker set a small electrical fire to trigger the fire alarms so he could leave early. Of course the fire got out of control and the ship turned into a candle. Maybe some sailor on the Bonhomme Richard wanted to do the same?

    Incidentally the original Bonhomme Richard of John Paul Jones fame also went to the bottom after getting lit on fire by the British cruiser Serapis in a naval battle off the coast of France.

    By the way, the unmentioned subtext of both of these stories is the declining competence/loyalty of our country’s working classes and the declining capacity of its shipbuilding/industrial economic sector. I can’t imagine anyone in WWII thinking to burn down any of our warships just to go home early. It seems to be a pretty recent phenomenon. Not a good sign for the future of the United States.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Richard York

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8OuKPRNiJE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXq2g1pIC-A

    , @Eagle Eye
    @Richard York


    The ship had to be scrapped after a disgruntled worker set a small electrical fire to trigger the fire alarms so he could leave early. Of course the fire got out of control and the ship turned into a candle. Maybe some sailor on the Bonhomme Richard wanted to do the same?
     
    If a small or medium fire can "get out of control" and destroy an entire vessel, we owe a huge debt of gratitude to the errant sailors for ridding us of these floating coffins in peacetime in a reasonably controlled fashion.

    Only certifiable paranoiacs would suspect that we are looking at organized arson to "clear the deck" for another multi-billion dollar procurement project.

  21. The local San Diego bird-cage liner (The SD Union-Tribune) has been silent on the issue too. Strange because this is a Navy town and it was big news here when it happened. Sabotage of naval ships by sailors is far from unprecedented.

  22. @Buffalo Joe
    Navy should have taken out an insurance policy the Bonhomme Richard, I think GEICO has a warship policy. BUT, the Navy announced this week that they were going to scrap the USS Little Rock which was commissioned in 2017 here in the Buffalo harbor. Four years of duty, marred by engine and transmission problems, not making that up, and now scrap. We can use the steel to build biden bridges.

    Replies: @Altai, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Oscar Peterson, @tyrone, @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    All the littoral combat ships are now seen as mistakes as is the whole programme.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

    Though the US is not the only country to have had problems with costs in ‘stealth ship’ programmes. Even Norway and Sweden had problems with cost overruns and technical issues along with reduced capabilities in the final versions.

    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn’t be worth repairing?

    Or say you had a hobbyist submersible drone with some explosives and blew it up under a ship in dock?

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Altai

    I was wondering the same thing....how do you single handedly burn a small air craft carrier?

    Imagine the PLA sending sleeper cells into our naval ranks.....

    , @Icy Blast
    @Altai

    Wow! Even Norway and Sweden had problems! What a crazy world, right? Good thing we're so far ahead of every other country, right?

    Replies: @Altai

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Altai

    The US Marine Corps officially scrapped its signature battle equipment, the amphibious assault vehicle, given that its actual wartime deployment would just mean a bunch of metal coffins on the seabed off, say, Taiwan. But my understanding is the program was un-scrapped and defense contractors are again hard at work on a fancier, more expensive metal coffin for Marines to ride around in.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Altai

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a26344025/navy-extra-large-unmanned-submarines-boeing/


    The contract, announced today, stipulates Boeing will get $43 million for “fabrication, test, and delivery of four Orca Extra Large Unmanned Undersea Vehicles (XLUUVs) and associated support elements.” That’s just over ten million bucks per boat.

    What does the Navy get? A lot.

    The Orca is based on the Echo Voyager technology demonstration sub. That boat is an unmanned diesel electric submarine launched and recovered from a pier. It has a range of 6,500 nautical miles and can run completely alone for months at a time. It measures 51 by 8.5 by 8.5 feet and has a weight “in the air” of 50 tons.

    The sub features an inertial navigation system, depth sensors, and can surface to get a fix on its position via GPS. It uses satellite communications to “phone home” and report information or receive new orders. Echo Voyager can dive to a maximum depth of 11,000 feet and has a top speed of eight knots.

    One crucial piece of Echo Voyager is the modular payload system that allows it to take on different payloads to support different missions. The unmanned sub has an internal cargo volume of 2,000 cubic feet with a maximum length of 34 feet and a capacity of eight tons. It can also support external payloads hanging off the hull.


    How much Orca will improve upon the tech already inside Echo Voyager is unknown. U.S. Naval Institute News says the Orca will be capable of, “mine countermeasures, anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, electronic warfare and strike missions.” Orca could carry sonar payloads, sniffing out enemy submarines and then sending location data to friendly helicopters and surface ships.

    Orca could even pack a Mk. 46 lightweight torpedo to take a shot at an enemy sub itself. It could also carry heavier Mk. 48 heavyweight torpedoes to attack surface ships, or even conceivably anti-ship missiles. Orca could drop off cargos on the seabed, detect, or even lay mines. The modular hardware payload system and open architecture software ensures Orca could be rapidly configured based on need.

    This sort of versatility in a single, low-cost package is fairly unheard of in military spending. The nearest rough equivalent is the Navy’s Littoral Combat Ship, which costs $584 million each and has a crew of 40. While LCS is faster, has the benefit of an onboard crew, and carries a larger payload, Orca is autonomous—and cheaper by orders of magnitude. For missions such as anti-submarine warfare, dozens of cheaper Orcas could saturate an area better than a single surface ship or perhaps even a manned submarine. A single shore-based crew could control several Orcas, allowing the autonomous subs to operate independently for days or even weeks at a time before issuing fresh orders.
     
    , @Desiderius
    @Altai

    Skynet is already attacking on multiple vectors.

    , @Old Prude
    @Altai

    “Stealth ship”. What moron thought that was a good idea? A fat slow hunk of metal paddling around in the ocean. Who doesn’t see that? Maybe Admiral “Diversity is our Strength” was referring to some Romulans in the ranks?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @vhrm
    @Altai


    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn’t be worth repairing?
     
    Ships aren't THAT flammable, especially when operational. Fire prevention and firefighting has been a major issue on ships for a long time, what with them having boilers, massive amounts of fuel and ammunition and lobbing bombs at each other.

    What happened to the Bonhomme Richard isn't entirely clear, but some significant bad luck was involved.

    If ships can deal with cruise missiles, they can deal with hobbyist aircraft drones. The submarines... who knows. Torpedoes are the OG of submersible drones, no? And they, mines and scuba divers have been threats for a long time already.

    Now... Hypersonic cruise missiles and nuclear torpedoes... those do make carriers and carrier groups pretty vulnerable.

    Replies: @Louis Renault

  23. @PiltdownMan
    OT:



    A D.C. inmate becomes the city’s first incarcerated person to win elected office

     

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/anc-jail--dc-joel-caston/2021/06/16/e0fc1ab2-ceda-11eb-a7f1-52b8870bef7c_story.html

     

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @additionalMike, @guest007, @Neoconned

    Is it possible that he is the first convicted murderer to be elected to public office in the United States?

  24. Apparently the Navy is naming its next super-aircraft carrier after a black choreboy sailer, who won a medal for getting injured in the attack, as did half the sailors present. Carriers are normally named after presidents. And the guy has this “boy named Sue” name of “Doris.”

  25. Whatever Happened to the USS Bonhomme Richard?

    Whatever happened to the stupid evil dope at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard who burned up the interior of a submarine because he was a nutcake scumbag crying about “anxiety” and he wanted to go home but he didn’t have any sick days to burn up and he was brought into the shipyard because of nepotism and the goddamn gravy train of US federal government war budget ballooning and bloated budgets and the WSJ turds led by Paul Gigot want more money poured down the phucking rat hole of the US Navy!

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/15/nuclear-submarine-fire/1990663/

    Phucking sonofabitch, you people realize all the plastic insulation and all the wires in a sub and this little turd lights a bag of rags on fire so he can get out of work?

    WOW!

    This was a WHITE UNDERCLASS ASSHOLE making big loot from the Military Keynesianism created by the monetary policy extremism of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank.

    The sonofabitches getting big loot from WAR BUDGET contracts are GOVERNMENT WORKERS and let’s stop the pretense of them being private sector workers.

    Cut the War Budget Bullshit and implement the Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) immediately and be done with it! DAMMIT!

    The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) will pay each American who has all blood ancestry born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 a cool ten thousand dollars a month. The US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank shall work together to conjure up the cash out of thin air, just like the ruling class is doing now.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  26. Steve, we lost 11 aircraft carriers in WW2 and you’re crying about the loss of just one during WWGeorge. Sacrifices need to be made.

  27. @PiltdownMan
    OT:



    A D.C. inmate becomes the city’s first incarcerated person to win elected office

     

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/anc-jail--dc-joel-caston/2021/06/16/e0fc1ab2-ceda-11eb-a7f1-52b8870bef7c_story.html

     

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @additionalMike, @guest007, @Neoconned

    If looking up the story, it was an Advisory Neighborhood Commission for a precinct that includes the DC Jails, some DC homeless shelters and one newly opened apartment building that is probably not anywhere near filled. Not a big story. What is he going to do: complain about parking, public art work, or homeless incampments?

    • Replies: @notbe
    @guest007

    ...but precedent has been set

  28. @PiltdownMan
    OT:



    A D.C. inmate becomes the city’s first incarcerated person to win elected office

     

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/anc-jail--dc-joel-caston/2021/06/16/e0fc1ab2-ceda-11eb-a7f1-52b8870bef7c_story.html

     

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @additionalMike, @guest007, @Neoconned

    ……bu….but….but…bwut….bwgdug…HOW? LOL

  29. @Altai
    @Buffalo Joe

    All the littoral combat ships are now seen as mistakes as is the whole programme.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

    Though the US is not the only country to have had problems with costs in 'stealth ship' programmes. Even Norway and Sweden had problems with cost overruns and technical issues along with reduced capabilities in the final versions.

    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn't be worth repairing?

    Or say you had a hobbyist submersible drone with some explosives and blew it up under a ship in dock?

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Icy Blast, @The Anti-Gnostic, @YetAnotherAnon, @Desiderius, @Old Prude, @vhrm

    I was wondering the same thing….how do you single handedly burn a small air craft carrier?

    Imagine the PLA sending sleeper cells into our naval ranks…..

  30. According to that article in The Drive, there have been several ship-board fires in the Navy in the last year or so.

  31. @Altai
    @Buffalo Joe

    All the littoral combat ships are now seen as mistakes as is the whole programme.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

    Though the US is not the only country to have had problems with costs in 'stealth ship' programmes. Even Norway and Sweden had problems with cost overruns and technical issues along with reduced capabilities in the final versions.

    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn't be worth repairing?

    Or say you had a hobbyist submersible drone with some explosives and blew it up under a ship in dock?

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Icy Blast, @The Anti-Gnostic, @YetAnotherAnon, @Desiderius, @Old Prude, @vhrm

    Wow! Even Norway and Sweden had problems! What a crazy world, right? Good thing we’re so far ahead of every other country, right?

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Icy Blast

    Norway and Sweden don't have the insatiable logic of a peace time industrial military complex have more limited budgets and have very good management of all state projects and budgets.

    Norway is the only country in the world to find large reserves of oil and not immediately squander the finite resource for short-term gain like tax cuts but put the money into a long-term investment fund.

  32. @Buffalo Joe
    Navy should have taken out an insurance policy the Bonhomme Richard, I think GEICO has a warship policy. BUT, the Navy announced this week that they were going to scrap the USS Little Rock which was commissioned in 2017 here in the Buffalo harbor. Four years of duty, marred by engine and transmission problems, not making that up, and now scrap. We can use the steel to build biden bridges.

    Replies: @Altai, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Oscar Peterson, @tyrone, @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    The Bonhomme Richard sounds like the name of a ship from a Gilbert & Sullivan operetta. I’m sorry she was decommissioned for that reason alone.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    When a Navy man is negligent past caring,
    Or insensitive to duty when it calls,
    His capacity for derring-do and daring
    Takes second place to indolent "f*ck-it-all's";

    If he says, "it were just some petrol near the tyres,"
    We must show the lad the Navy's not for fun,
    An aircraft carrier's no place for setting fires,
    An Inspector General's lot is not an 'appy one.

  33. @Altai
    @Buffalo Joe

    All the littoral combat ships are now seen as mistakes as is the whole programme.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

    Though the US is not the only country to have had problems with costs in 'stealth ship' programmes. Even Norway and Sweden had problems with cost overruns and technical issues along with reduced capabilities in the final versions.

    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn't be worth repairing?

    Or say you had a hobbyist submersible drone with some explosives and blew it up under a ship in dock?

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Icy Blast, @The Anti-Gnostic, @YetAnotherAnon, @Desiderius, @Old Prude, @vhrm

    The US Marine Corps officially scrapped its signature battle equipment, the amphibious assault vehicle, given that its actual wartime deployment would just mean a bunch of metal coffins on the seabed off, say, Taiwan. But my understanding is the program was un-scrapped and defense contractors are again hard at work on a fancier, more expensive metal coffin for Marines to ride around in.

  34. @Altai
    @Buffalo Joe

    All the littoral combat ships are now seen as mistakes as is the whole programme.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

    Though the US is not the only country to have had problems with costs in 'stealth ship' programmes. Even Norway and Sweden had problems with cost overruns and technical issues along with reduced capabilities in the final versions.

    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn't be worth repairing?

    Or say you had a hobbyist submersible drone with some explosives and blew it up under a ship in dock?

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Icy Blast, @The Anti-Gnostic, @YetAnotherAnon, @Desiderius, @Old Prude, @vhrm

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a26344025/navy-extra-large-unmanned-submarines-boeing/

    The contract, announced today, stipulates Boeing will get $43 million for “fabrication, test, and delivery of four Orca Extra Large Unmanned Undersea Vehicles (XLUUVs) and associated support elements.” That’s just over ten million bucks per boat.

    What does the Navy get? A lot.

    The Orca is based on the Echo Voyager technology demonstration sub. That boat is an unmanned diesel electric submarine launched and recovered from a pier. It has a range of 6,500 nautical miles and can run completely alone for months at a time. It measures 51 by 8.5 by 8.5 feet and has a weight “in the air” of 50 tons.

    The sub features an inertial navigation system, depth sensors, and can surface to get a fix on its position via GPS. It uses satellite communications to “phone home” and report information or receive new orders. Echo Voyager can dive to a maximum depth of 11,000 feet and has a top speed of eight knots.

    One crucial piece of Echo Voyager is the modular payload system that allows it to take on different payloads to support different missions. The unmanned sub has an internal cargo volume of 2,000 cubic feet with a maximum length of 34 feet and a capacity of eight tons. It can also support external payloads hanging off the hull.

    How much Orca will improve upon the tech already inside Echo Voyager is unknown. U.S. Naval Institute News says the Orca will be capable of, “mine countermeasures, anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, electronic warfare and strike missions.” Orca could carry sonar payloads, sniffing out enemy submarines and then sending location data to friendly helicopters and surface ships.

    Orca could even pack a Mk. 46 lightweight torpedo to take a shot at an enemy sub itself. It could also carry heavier Mk. 48 heavyweight torpedoes to attack surface ships, or even conceivably anti-ship missiles. Orca could drop off cargos on the seabed, detect, or even lay mines. The modular hardware payload system and open architecture software ensures Orca could be rapidly configured based on need.

    This sort of versatility in a single, low-cost package is fairly unheard of in military spending. The nearest rough equivalent is the Navy’s Littoral Combat Ship, which costs $584 million each and has a crew of 40. While LCS is faster, has the benefit of an onboard crew, and carries a larger payload, Orca is autonomous—and cheaper by orders of magnitude. For missions such as anti-submarine warfare, dozens of cheaper Orcas could saturate an area better than a single surface ship or perhaps even a manned submarine. A single shore-based crew could control several Orcas, allowing the autonomous subs to operate independently for days or even weeks at a time before issuing fresh orders.

  35. @Jonathan Mason
    What the hell is Biden talking about?

    Does anybody seriously not believe that the United States tries to interfere with the elections of numerous countries?

    One of the most egregious examples would be Biden's former boss Obama openly espousing the cause of Remainers in the British brexit referendum and stating that if Brexit won the day, the UK would go to the back of the line for trade deals with the US.

    This example is egregious because it was done out in the open, but there are numerous other examples where the United States or its proxies have done their level best to overturn elected governments by various means.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @aldasfail770, @John Cunningham

    Caveat Emptor, suckah!

    Heckuva job, Mason!

    We tried to tell you.

  36. @Altai
    @Buffalo Joe

    All the littoral combat ships are now seen as mistakes as is the whole programme.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

    Though the US is not the only country to have had problems with costs in 'stealth ship' programmes. Even Norway and Sweden had problems with cost overruns and technical issues along with reduced capabilities in the final versions.

    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn't be worth repairing?

    Or say you had a hobbyist submersible drone with some explosives and blew it up under a ship in dock?

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Icy Blast, @The Anti-Gnostic, @YetAnotherAnon, @Desiderius, @Old Prude, @vhrm

    Skynet is already attacking on multiple vectors.

    • LOL: bomag
  37. @Jonathan Mason
    What the hell is Biden talking about?

    Does anybody seriously not believe that the United States tries to interfere with the elections of numerous countries?

    One of the most egregious examples would be Biden's former boss Obama openly espousing the cause of Remainers in the British brexit referendum and stating that if Brexit won the day, the UK would go to the back of the line for trade deals with the US.

    This example is egregious because it was done out in the open, but there are numerous other examples where the United States or its proxies have done their level best to overturn elected governments by various means.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @aldasfail770, @John Cunningham

    It’s all some infowar LARP some STEMtards dreamed up.

    Pilate and Jesus redux.

  38. @Jonathan Mason
    What the hell is Biden talking about?

    Does anybody seriously not believe that the United States tries to interfere with the elections of numerous countries?

    One of the most egregious examples would be Biden's former boss Obama openly espousing the cause of Remainers in the British brexit referendum and stating that if Brexit won the day, the UK would go to the back of the line for trade deals with the US.

    This example is egregious because it was done out in the open, but there are numerous other examples where the United States or its proxies have done their level best to overturn elected governments by various means.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @aldasfail770, @John Cunningham

    Whoa, doctor’s on the good pills today.

  39. @Jonathan Mason
    What the hell is Biden talking about?

    Does anybody seriously not believe that the United States tries to interfere with the elections of numerous countries?

    One of the most egregious examples would be Biden's former boss Obama openly espousing the cause of Remainers in the British brexit referendum and stating that if Brexit won the day, the UK would go to the back of the line for trade deals with the US.

    This example is egregious because it was done out in the open, but there are numerous other examples where the United States or its proxies have done their level best to overturn elected governments by various means.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @aldasfail770, @John Cunningham

    The Russian’s favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia’s friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America’s democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    • Agree: Patrick Sullivan
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '...Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America’s democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.'

    I take it your point is that we're no worse than Russia.

    , @JMcG
    @Jack D

    Substitute Israelis for Russians. Multiply by 10.

    , @Old Prude
    @Jack D

    I thought Putin’s equating locking up and killing his opponents to what was done to Ashli Babbitt and her fellow partiers was pure genius. He was probably snickering about that all night. He was only defending Democracy, right?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @peterike
    @Jack D


    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore.
     
    LOLZZ!!!!

    Replies: @John Cunningham

    , @Oscar Peterson
    @Jack D


    "Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either"
     
    Uh, how far in the past?

    As far as what Putin has done wrong, what we get is largely unsupported--and often barely plausible--allegations. I don't buy the generally accepted claim that the Russian government tried to poison Skripal and Navalny. And there are many similarly unimpressive claims.

    At this juncture, we can't speak of "false equivalencies" because it's hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    LOL. How about top US executive branch officials colluding with rival political campaigns and the media to interfere in the election of who gets to be their boss? Time was that should net you a few indictments at least.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @notbe
    @Jack D

    you are either retarded or a total idiot...seriously is a normal person capable of writing what you just wrote

    Replies: @Anne Lid

    , @Anthony Aaron
    @Jack D

    'Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore.'

    You mean the CIA is no longer involved in the international drug trade - like they were during Vietnam (actual drug growing was in Laos/Cambodia)? You mean that the Warren Commission report was actually true? You mean the 9/11 report was actually true? You mean the assassination of RFK was as per the 'investigation' by the government? You mean the USS Liberty attack that killed 34 and injured 170+ wasn't deliberate - and that the threats to imprison crew members for daring to tell the truth was just a figment of their collected imaginations?

    Really?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Louis Renault
    @Jack D

    So Victoria Nuland won't be practicing spreading democracy like she did in Ukraine? Is she going to help get us out of Eastern Syria now too?

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    " it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore"

    What a steaming pile of ordure.

    Only a year or so back the US assassinated an Iranian military guy quite openly. They have armed, funded and trained "rebels" in Syria and started the ongoing civil war. They did the same in Libya before that. And Iraq before that.

    At the same time they have been happy to support (and more if truth were known) the Egyptian regime which overthrew an elected government and then killed thousands of that governments supporters.

    And before that they armed, funded and trained Islamist head-choppers in Afghanistan, including Bin Laden, in order that they could kill Russian soldiers. Then they tell lies about "Russian bounties" in Syria.

    I love meeting individual Americans - great, kind, open hearted people, great country.

    But their foreign policy establishment are evil. And so are a lot of the apologists for them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Clyde

    , @anon
    @Jack D

    You've been an anti-Russian shill for as long as I've been coming here, which has been several years. Mostly, your posts are just finger pointing -- Merica good, Putin bad. Give it up. The 80s are over.

  40. What does the official report on Norte Dame Cathedral say about the cause of the fire?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Goatweed

    A careless worker lit his cigarette before going outside to take his smoke break. And somehow the 800 year old roof support beams just exploded.

    That’s what happened and you better not disagree with the report. Or one of the numerous Abolish Racisme organizations will charge you with hate crime

  41. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/Vinncent/status/1405252147080482821?s=20

    Biden speaking directly here to hypothetical-Americans. He’s going to peel off half the Republican Party at this rate. Might as well he’s already got their elected representatives.

    Arson and sabotage don’t exist in hypothetical-land, which is a big reason why most Rs live there.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Paul Rise, @Colin Wright

    If he keeps attacking Israel like that, he’s going to be in for a world of hurt.

  42. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    ‘…Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America’s democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.’

    I take it your point is that we’re no worse than Russia.

  43. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    Substitute Israelis for Russians. Multiply by 10.

  44. @Altai
    @Buffalo Joe

    All the littoral combat ships are now seen as mistakes as is the whole programme.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

    Though the US is not the only country to have had problems with costs in 'stealth ship' programmes. Even Norway and Sweden had problems with cost overruns and technical issues along with reduced capabilities in the final versions.

    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn't be worth repairing?

    Or say you had a hobbyist submersible drone with some explosives and blew it up under a ship in dock?

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Icy Blast, @The Anti-Gnostic, @YetAnotherAnon, @Desiderius, @Old Prude, @vhrm

    “Stealth ship”. What moron thought that was a good idea? A fat slow hunk of metal paddling around in the ocean. Who doesn’t see that? Maybe Admiral “Diversity is our Strength” was referring to some Romulans in the ranks?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Old Prude


    “Stealth ship”. What moron thought that was a good idea? A fat slow hunk of metal paddling around in the ocean.
     
    They probably just watched Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) too many times:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ocyXCUp-4

    Johnathan Pryce really seems to be having fun chewing the scenery as the main baddie, media mogul Elliott Carver.

  45. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    I thought Putin’s equating locking up and killing his opponents to what was done to Ashli Babbitt and her fellow partiers was pure genius. He was probably snickering about that all night. He was only defending Democracy, right?

    • Agree: bomag, John Cunningham
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Old Prude

    Have you seen the Revolver piece making connections to a similar FBI false flag in Michigan, which got the Detroit office chief promoted to DC? Standard FBI fake investigation false flag, relying on utterly helpless people who will walk if they get a real lawyer as always. The plan was for militias to hold a rally at the (Michigan) capital, then agitate and lead, and get rallygoers to storm the capital building. So in other words exactly what happened on January 6th (once the same planner was in town).
    https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/federal-foreknowledge-jan-6-unindicted-co-conspirators-raise-disturbing-questions/

  46. I guess we’ll know what happened to the Bonhomme Richard when we learn all the details of the fire that severely damaged the Notre Dame de Paris cathedral.

  47. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:

    I blame global warming.

  48. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore.

    LOLZZ!!!!

    • Replies: @John Cunningham
    @peterike

    Yeah our commie Politburo would never intervene in election. It would use rich stooges like Bezos' widow to fund favored parties with Megabucks.

  49. In August it was reported a sailor was under investigation for arson. But it’s been mums the word ever since.

    The decline of standards has many implications.

    • Replies: @mmack
    @anon

    The USN may have learned something about keeping their damned fool mouths shut after the USS Iowa turret explosion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion

    The first investigation into the explosion, conducted by the U.S. Navy, concluded that one of the gun turret crew members, Clayton Hartwig, who died in the explosion, had deliberately caused it. During the investigation, numerous leaks to the media, later attributed to U.S. Navy officers and investigators, implied that Hartwig and another sailor, Kendall Truitt, had engaged in a romantic relationship and that Hartwig had caused the explosion after their relationship had soured. In its report, however, the U.S. Navy concluded that the evidence did not show that Hartwig was homosexual but that he was suicidal and had caused the explosion with either an electronic or chemical detonator.

    ......

    The Senate committee asked the GAO to review the U.S. Navy's investigation. To assist the GAO, Sandia National Laboratories provided a team of scientists to review the Navy's technical investigation.

    During its review, Sandia determined that a significant overram of the powder bags into the gun had occurred as it was being loaded and that the overram could have caused the explosion. A subsequent test by the Navy of the overram scenario confirmed that an overram could have caused an explosion in the gun breech. Sandia's technicians also found that the physical evidence did not support the U.S. Navy's theory that an electronic or chemical detonator had been used to initiate the explosion.

    In response to the new findings, the U.S. Navy, with Sandia's assistance, reopened the investigation. In August 1991, Sandia and the GAO completed their reports, concluding that it was likely that the explosion was caused by an accidental overram of powder bags into the breech of the 16-inch gun. The U.S. Navy, however, disagreed with Sandia's opinion and concluded that the cause of the explosion could not be determined. The U.S. Navy expressed regret (but did not offer an apology) to Hartwig's family and closed its investigation.

    Replies: @Nachum

  50. @Buffalo Joe
    Navy should have taken out an insurance policy the Bonhomme Richard, I think GEICO has a warship policy. BUT, the Navy announced this week that they were going to scrap the USS Little Rock which was commissioned in 2017 here in the Buffalo harbor. Four years of duty, marred by engine and transmission problems, not making that up, and now scrap. We can use the steel to build biden bridges.

    Replies: @Altai, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Oscar Peterson, @tyrone, @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    It’s incredible.

    LCS, the Gerald Ford’s catapult and elevators, the KC-46 tanker, Army’s Future Combat System, the endless funding of high-tech aircraft like the B-2 and F-22 whose production lines are halted early because of cost. And then we go on to the next hugely expensive airframes–F-35 and B-21 with the Next Generation fighter already in the wings.

    We spend ungodly amounts of money on futile interventions and regime change wars and fall behind on key emerging technologies–hypersonics, air and missile defense for example.

    My God, we’re screwed up.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Oscar Peterson

    That's not to mention most of the DoD budget gets gobbled up by the extravagant pay and benefits we pay our "heroes".

    It wouldn't be so galling if these folks were defending the southern border from a peasant invasion, or sinking an enemy invasion force. But all they do is fiddle-fart around in Mali and Trashcanistan, finish the tour to come back home for diversity seminars and gay-pride symposiums.

    You are right, Oscar: We are screwed-up

  51. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    “Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either”

    Uh, how far in the past?

    As far as what Putin has done wrong, what we get is largely unsupported–and often barely plausible–allegations. I don’t buy the generally accepted claim that the Russian government tried to poison Skripal and Navalny. And there are many similarly unimpressive claims.

    At this juncture, we can’t speak of “false equivalencies” because it’s hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Oscar Peterson


    At this juncture, we can’t speak of “false equivalencies” because it’s hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.
     
    Only because Putin wants you to be confused. Here's a hint - it's (almost) NEVER a false flag.

    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources. If you don't believe they were poisoned, you have really drunk the Putin Kool-Aid.

    I really don't understand the alt-right love for Putin. Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn't have great love for YOUR people - in fact he sees America as a rival and tries to damage it as much as he can get away with. I don't know why an American would love such a guy.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Clyde, @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Bill, @YetAnotherAnon, @nebulafox

  52. OT: an interesting data bit: the coroner of Fulton County, which encompasses most of Atlanta, announced that she issued a white paper today describing how they need more funding because the number of bullets found in shot corpses has risen dramatically, making autopsies far more time and resource consuming. Sort of a correlative to your theory about mass shootings in which fewer people are killed than expected even as more shots are fired: when these melees are conducted by accurate shooters, they leave a lot more bullets in the bodies.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
  53. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    LOL. How about top US executive branch officials colluding with rival political campaigns and the media to interfere in the election of who gets to be their boss? Time was that should net you a few indictments at least.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "How about top US executive branch officials colluding with rival political campaigns and the media to interfere in the election of who gets to be their boss? Time was that should net you a few indictments at least."

    Yeah, about that...

    https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/roger-stone-keeps-lying-about-the

    https://apnews.com/article/justice-official-demers-resigning-secretly-seized-records-e9fd00c31fc53f827a8921f551b4008e?utm_medium=ap&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=twitter

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/11/oan-pro-trump-outlet-hires-former-dhs-official-chr/

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  54. Ah, I think you are living in a hypothetical ideal America. Last I recall, Julian Assange is still being sought for treason (and other charges, etc.) Much of our history is, to this day, still being obscured, suppressed, or ignored.

    I think then, you are projecting “America’s” (as ZOG’s) favorite habit onto others, and the unfortunate fates of those who oppose it.

  55. Unless they’re in such bad shape they have to be scrapped on-site, most large ships meet their fates in India, Pakistan or Bangladesh. Ship scrapping is an amazingly low-tech operation in these countries. The normal practice is to run the ships right onto the beaches as far as possible, at which point teams of workers – sometimes well into the hundreds – go at them with cutting torches and few old cranes. With so many men on the job scrapping a huge ship can take as little as a month despite the low-tech approach. As you might imagine, working as a shop scrapper in these countries is often brutal, dangerous work, but with an unlimited supply of cheap labor working conditions are unlikely to improve any time soon.

    Given the corrosive effects of salt water on hulls cargo ships have relatively short life expectancies, generally under 20 years. Oil tankers have even shorter lifespans due to the structural strains of having their tanks constantly filled and emptied. Ships that operate exclusively in fresh water, most notably the Great Lakes fleet that can’t pass through the St. Lawrence Seaway, can last for many decades.

    The Bonhomme Richard will meet its fate in Texas rather than South Asia because for security reasons the Navy does not want it ships, even ones being scrapped, to be handled in foreign countries.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Barnard
    @prosa123


    The Bonhomme Richard will meet its fate in Texas rather than South Asia because for security reasons the Navy does not want it ships, even ones being scrapped, to be handled in foreign countries.
     
    I am sure two dozen Chinese spies have already had access to the ship and collection any information they thought would be useful to the ChiComs. That is in addition to any who actively served on the ship as part of our glorious diverse Navy before the arson.
  56. @Buffalo Joe
    Navy should have taken out an insurance policy the Bonhomme Richard, I think GEICO has a warship policy. BUT, the Navy announced this week that they were going to scrap the USS Little Rock which was commissioned in 2017 here in the Buffalo harbor. Four years of duty, marred by engine and transmission problems, not making that up, and now scrap. We can use the steel to build biden bridges.

    Replies: @Altai, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Oscar Peterson, @tyrone, @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    “We can use the steel to build biden bridges.”……sorry, the steel will most likely go to China and the “infrastructure ” money will be used to pay off demoncrat mayors that let their cities burn.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  57. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    you are either retarded or a total idiot…seriously is a normal person capable of writing what you just wrote

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
    @notbe

    Jack D is a Jew who could not free himself from the tribal thinking. Russians who first and foremost love Russia are nefarious for some obscure reason.

  58. The problem isn’t the assumed arson, it’s that the theoretical arsonist, if caught, won’t be executed. Major warning signs of decay and devaluation for any nation is ceasing to execute spies and traitors.

  59. @prosa123
    Unless they're in such bad shape they have to be scrapped on-site, most large ships meet their fates in India, Pakistan or Bangladesh. Ship scrapping is an amazingly low-tech operation in these countries. The normal practice is to run the ships right onto the beaches as far as possible, at which point teams of workers - sometimes well into the hundreds - go at them with cutting torches and few old cranes. With so many men on the job scrapping a huge ship can take as little as a month despite the low-tech approach. As you might imagine, working as a shop scrapper in these countries is often brutal, dangerous work, but with an unlimited supply of cheap labor working conditions are unlikely to improve any time soon.

    Given the corrosive effects of salt water on hulls cargo ships have relatively short life expectancies, generally under 20 years. Oil tankers have even shorter lifespans due to the structural strains of having their tanks constantly filled and emptied. Ships that operate exclusively in fresh water, most notably the Great Lakes fleet that can't pass through the St. Lawrence Seaway, can last for many decades.

    The Bonhomme Richard will meet its fate in Texas rather than South Asia because for security reasons the Navy does not want it ships, even ones being scrapped, to be handled in foreign countries.

    Replies: @Barnard

    The Bonhomme Richard will meet its fate in Texas rather than South Asia because for security reasons the Navy does not want it ships, even ones being scrapped, to be handled in foreign countries.

    I am sure two dozen Chinese spies have already had access to the ship and collection any information they thought would be useful to the ChiComs. That is in addition to any who actively served on the ship as part of our glorious diverse Navy before the arson.

    • Agree: 3g4me, J.Ross
  60. Has anyone seen Australian comedy “Why Are You Like This”? It should be on Netflix.

    It is not for people who hate swearing, promiscuity and completely awful Woke leads; but since the joke is quite clearly on them, who also wrote it, it is refreshing and I am not sure that anything has been made quite like it before.

    The honesty in the portrayal of the leads is astonishing. They unconsciously use Woke words to dress up and excuse their unhappy need to dish out cruelty and sadism to those around them. That is how they interact with the world. Ideologically and spitefully.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "Some people use critical thinking, instead of trying to find the most oppressed person in the room."

    The lead up to which is very funny.

  61. @Dan Hayes
    "just a coincidence" of course!

    Replies: @Anthony Aaron

    As with the USS Liberty, there’ll be enough BS spread to fill the Grand Canyon … don’t want to contradict the narrative we’ve been given (strangely, by a lot of the same folks) …

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
  62. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    ‘Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore.’

    You mean the CIA is no longer involved in the international drug trade – like they were during Vietnam (actual drug growing was in Laos/Cambodia)? You mean that the Warren Commission report was actually true? You mean the 9/11 report was actually true? You mean the assassination of RFK was as per the ‘investigation’ by the government? You mean the USS Liberty attack that killed 34 and injured 170+ wasn’t deliberate – and that the threats to imprison crew members for daring to tell the truth was just a figment of their collected imaginations?

    Really?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anthony Aaron

    The CIA was involved in child trafficking.

    Research Craig Spence, Larry King, and Boystown Omaha.

    Look at this.

    https://twitter.com/modernhomesla/status/1327074160711847936

    Homosexual prostitutes were given a midnight tour of the Whitehouse. See the above link.

    If you want to learn more about the elite gay prostitution ring that was being run out of the Boystown orphanage in Omaha (with Black Republican activist Larry King and lobbyist Craig Spence facilitating gay orgies for Washington DC figures), watch the below documentary. This documentary was made by the Discovery Channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DquLnRycZms

    Here's a picture of Larry King, who was Black.

    https://twitter.com/PeaceZinnia/status/1292665227356418049

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anthony Aaron

    The CIA was involved with a child prostitution ring called "The Finders."

    https://twitter.com/DCStatehoodGP/status/1404805663671435268

    https://twitter.com/RedhoodWould60/status/1196123700401188864

    See the video below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIbXbzK-XIA

    More from Alex Jones. The video below is very disturbing.

    https://twitter.com/NinjaAlex420/status/1189016351400222721

  63. @Jonathan Mason
    What the hell is Biden talking about?

    Does anybody seriously not believe that the United States tries to interfere with the elections of numerous countries?

    One of the most egregious examples would be Biden's former boss Obama openly espousing the cause of Remainers in the British brexit referendum and stating that if Brexit won the day, the UK would go to the back of the line for trade deals with the US.

    This example is egregious because it was done out in the open, but there are numerous other examples where the United States or its proxies have done their level best to overturn elected governments by various means.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @aldasfail770, @John Cunningham

    ‘What the hell is Biden talking about?

    ‘Does anybody seriously not believe that the United States tries to interfere with the elections of numerous countries?’

    Actually, there’s a mildly depressing inference to be drawn from this.

    We already knew Biden was an idiot. That’s not news.

    However, Biden didn’t write that remark, his handlers did. So it follows that whoever Biden’s handlers are, they’re idiots as well.

  64. OT again – are Victoria’s Secret about to go broke, or is World War L about to break out?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57508848

    Football star Megan Rapinoe and actress and producer Priyanka Chopra Jonas are joining Victoria’s Secret in what the lingerie giant is calling a “dramatic shift” for the brand.

    They are among several new faces who will help promote the brand which is best known for its lingerie-clad models known as Angels.

    Victoria’s Secret still generates billions of dollars in sales.

    However, its hyper-sexualised image has fallen out of fashion in recent years.

    Ms Rapinoe and Ms Chopra Jonas will form part of “The VS Collective” a group of women who will work with the company on “collaborations, business partnerships and cause-related initiatives”.

    It comes as Victoria’s Secret prepares to cut ties with its parent company L Brands in a spin-off later this year.

    Ms Rapinoe, an LGBTQIA+ activist, was more blunt in her assessment of the company’s past image, describing it as “patriarchal, sexist, viewing not just what it meant to be sexy but what the clothes were trying to accomplish through a male lens and through what men desired“.

    Damn – she’s cracked the secret code!

    She added that it was “very much marketed toward younger women”, a message which she said was “really harmful.”

    The Victoria’s Secret show was the brainchild of L Brands’ former chief marketing officer Ed Razek who resigned from the firm in 2019. The previous year he had come under fire for making a transphobic remark. He also said audiences had no interest in seeing plus-size models.

    The absolute cad!

    Valentina Sampaio, an LGBTQIA+ activist who became Victoria’s Secret’s first openly transgender model two years ago, has also joined the firm’s “collective” alongside plus-sized model and “body advocate” Paloma Elsesser.

    Oh dear. Our Brave New World won’t have the “superb physical specimens” of Huxley’s – thank God their programming/conditioning techniques aren’t as good either.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Victory Secret has already gone broke. It was late to the athleisure wear market, it failed to see the collapse of its PINK brand with younger women, and it invested to much in shopping mall stores when malls wear dying. The other part of L Brands, Bath & Body Works., is considered worth more.

    , @Matttt
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Ms Rapinoe and Ms Chopra Jonas
     
    Isn't it Mrs Chopra Jonas? She even took her husband's last name.

    I don't know if gaymarried lesbians prefer "Mrs" or "Ms," but it doesn't matter since Rapinoe is single.
  65. @Altai
    @Buffalo Joe

    All the littoral combat ships are now seen as mistakes as is the whole programme.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship

    Though the US is not the only country to have had problems with costs in 'stealth ship' programmes. Even Norway and Sweden had problems with cost overruns and technical issues along with reduced capabilities in the final versions.

    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn't be worth repairing?

    Or say you had a hobbyist submersible drone with some explosives and blew it up under a ship in dock?

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Icy Blast, @The Anti-Gnostic, @YetAnotherAnon, @Desiderius, @Old Prude, @vhrm

    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn’t be worth repairing?

    Ships aren’t THAT flammable, especially when operational. Fire prevention and firefighting has been a major issue on ships for a long time, what with them having boilers, massive amounts of fuel and ammunition and lobbing bombs at each other.

    What happened to the Bonhomme Richard isn’t entirely clear, but some significant bad luck was involved.

    If ships can deal with cruise missiles, they can deal with hobbyist aircraft drones. The submarines… who knows. Torpedoes are the OG of submersible drones, no? And they, mines and scuba divers have been threats for a long time already.

    Now… Hypersonic cruise missiles and nuclear torpedoes… those do make carriers and carrier groups pretty vulnerable.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @vhrm

    Get a job at a shipyard, then let your "anxiety" get the best of you.
    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2015/06/13/damaged-sub-miami-leaves-shipyard-to-be-scrapped/

  66. @Jonathan Mason
    What the hell is Biden talking about?

    Does anybody seriously not believe that the United States tries to interfere with the elections of numerous countries?

    One of the most egregious examples would be Biden's former boss Obama openly espousing the cause of Remainers in the British brexit referendum and stating that if Brexit won the day, the UK would go to the back of the line for trade deals with the US.

    This example is egregious because it was done out in the open, but there are numerous other examples where the United States or its proxies have done their level best to overturn elected governments by various means.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @aldasfail770, @John Cunningham

    Every time they complain about Russia or China or whoever interfering in American elections I make sure to read this wikipeda page.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

    Dozens of countries. Literally dozens. America is no longer a serious country and is not deserving of any respect.

    No Russian ever called me a “White Supremacist”
    Neither has China.
    Nor has the Philippines my now adopted home. I get treated better in a “third world” country than I ever did in America.

  67. @vhrm
    @Altai


    I suspect the future of naval combat will involve a lot of drone submarines. Even the incident with the Bonhomme Richard, how easy would it be for a guy with a hobbyist drone to fly into and set a fire in a major asset like an assault carrier or even super carrier and do damage that would put them out of commission for months or even do damage that wouldn’t be worth repairing?
     
    Ships aren't THAT flammable, especially when operational. Fire prevention and firefighting has been a major issue on ships for a long time, what with them having boilers, massive amounts of fuel and ammunition and lobbing bombs at each other.

    What happened to the Bonhomme Richard isn't entirely clear, but some significant bad luck was involved.

    If ships can deal with cruise missiles, they can deal with hobbyist aircraft drones. The submarines... who knows. Torpedoes are the OG of submersible drones, no? And they, mines and scuba divers have been threats for a long time already.

    Now... Hypersonic cruise missiles and nuclear torpedoes... those do make carriers and carrier groups pretty vulnerable.

    Replies: @Louis Renault

    Get a job at a shipyard, then let your “anxiety” get the best of you.
    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2015/06/13/damaged-sub-miami-leaves-shipyard-to-be-scrapped/

  68. The vainglorious USN traces itself to the expedient, ragtag fleet that played a limited role in the Revolutionary War, even though post-war, Congress sold-off what was left of the “navy”.

    In fact, the actual USN, as authorized by the USC (with the first vessels christened in 1791) was this country’s anti-smuggling (i.e. first tax collection) agency.

    It didn’t take long for politicians to spinoff a fleet for the “military” (special interest) purpose of combating “piracy” (theft of private property on the high seas).

  69. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    So Victoria Nuland won’t be practicing spreading democracy like she did in Ukraine? Is she going to help get us out of Eastern Syria now too?

  70. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    ” it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore”

    What a steaming pile of ordure.

    Only a year or so back the US assassinated an Iranian military guy quite openly. They have armed, funded and trained “rebels” in Syria and started the ongoing civil war. They did the same in Libya before that. And Iraq before that.

    At the same time they have been happy to support (and more if truth were known) the Egyptian regime which overthrew an elected government and then killed thousands of that governments supporters.

    And before that they armed, funded and trained Islamist head-choppers in Afghanistan, including Bin Laden, in order that they could kill Russian soldiers. Then they tell lies about “Russian bounties” in Syria.

    I love meeting individual Americans – great, kind, open hearted people, great country.

    But their foreign policy establishment are evil. And so are a lot of the apologists for them.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @YetAnotherAnon

    'What a steaming pile of ordure.'

    Indeed. Egypt and Syria would be the most recent examples.

    It hardly helps that we no longer do this because it is in our interests, but because our Zionist handlers order us to do it.

    At least it used to be 'he may be a bastard, but he's our bastard.' Now it's 'he may be a bastard, but he's Israel's bastard.'

    Whatever will master want next? In fact, I'll tell you the script of all this Russia nonsense. We lay off as soon as Russia does as Israel wishes and lets her have her little way with Syria.

    , @Clyde
    @YetAnotherAnon

    You are an Islamic influenced flaming mess. What nation do you live in? You criticize American foreign policy so where the __ are you sniping from? When Trump wasted Iranian General Soleimani I cheered. Dumbass coward, you will not reply or answer me. Not even enough to lie to me. Are you a Euro-Weenie Dutch? Germanic? My guess at least. You are typical of the Palestinian bum kissers here.

  71. LOL.

    • Replies: @Tex
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You want gratitude in politics? Buy a dog.

    , @notbe
    @JohnnyWalker123

    double LOL

  72. @mmack
    Steve,

    I wonder if this will end up being like the loss of the USS Lafayette/ SS Normandie due to fire while in dock and being converted to a troopship.

    https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2014/09/the-sinking-of-the-s-s-normandie-at-nycs-pier-88/

    The “official” explanation was a fire started when sparks from a welding torch started a stack of life vests on fire, but rumors of lax security and sabotage (it happened in February 1942, after the US joined WW2 as a combatant) still persist to this day.

    Then again, the conversion of the Normandie sounded like a very rushed, slipshod affair, so there’s another possibility between the fate of the two ships.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Alden, @prosa123

    Sounds like the explosion at the Eddystone Arsenal in April, 1917; four days after the US declared war on Germany. It killed 139 munitions plant workers, mostly women and girls. Local legend to this say says that all the workers of German descent stayed home that day.

  73. @guest007
    @PiltdownMan

    If looking up the story, it was an Advisory Neighborhood Commission for a precinct that includes the DC Jails, some DC homeless shelters and one newly opened apartment building that is probably not anywhere near filled. Not a big story. What is he going to do: complain about parking, public art work, or homeless incampments?

    Replies: @notbe

    …but precedent has been set

  74. OT, ladies and gentlemen: the True and Responsible Conservative Priorities, Exhibit 123B.

    https://thehill.com/policy/finance/558548-mcconnell-presses-for-actual-consequences-in-disclosure-of-tax-data

    Heaven forbid those bastards not be punished for leaking how oligarchs and megacorps skip out on paying taxes. Who do they think they are, Big People?

    Until McConnell and people like him are neutered, the Democrats can be as nutty as they like and retain a reasonable shot at having power. There’s no way around this reality, folks. Zombie Reaganism appeals to nobody outside GOP donors.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Disagree: Inquiring Mind
  75. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT again - are Victoria's Secret about to go broke, or is World War L about to break out?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57508848

    Football star Megan Rapinoe and actress and producer Priyanka Chopra Jonas are joining Victoria's Secret in what the lingerie giant is calling a "dramatic shift" for the brand.

    They are among several new faces who will help promote the brand which is best known for its lingerie-clad models known as Angels.

    Victoria's Secret still generates billions of dollars in sales.

    However, its hyper-sexualised image has fallen out of fashion in recent years.

    Ms Rapinoe and Ms Chopra Jonas will form part of "The VS Collective" a group of women who will work with the company on "collaborations, business partnerships and cause-related initiatives".

    It comes as Victoria's Secret prepares to cut ties with its parent company L Brands in a spin-off later this year.

    Ms Rapinoe, an LGBTQIA+ activist, was more blunt in her assessment of the company's past image, describing it as "patriarchal, sexist, viewing not just what it meant to be sexy but what the clothes were trying to accomplish through a male lens and through what men desired".
     
    Damn - she's cracked the secret code!

    She added that it was "very much marketed toward younger women", a message which she said was "really harmful."

    The Victoria's Secret show was the brainchild of L Brands' former chief marketing officer Ed Razek who resigned from the firm in 2019. The previous year he had come under fire for making a transphobic remark. He also said audiences had no interest in seeing plus-size models.
     
    The absolute cad!

    Valentina Sampaio, an LGBTQIA+ activist who became Victoria's Secret's first openly transgender model two years ago, has also joined the firm's "collective" alongside plus-sized model and "body advocate" Paloma Elsesser.
     
    Oh dear. Our Brave New World won't have the "superb physical specimens" of Huxley's - thank God their programming/conditioning techniques aren't as good either.

    Replies: @guest007, @Matttt

    Victory Secret has already gone broke. It was late to the athleisure wear market, it failed to see the collapse of its PINK brand with younger women, and it invested to much in shopping mall stores when malls wear dying. The other part of L Brands, Bath & Body Works., is considered worth more.

  76. @Flip
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2021/06/15/atlanta-may-be-headed-for-a-final-divorce-as-communities-nationwide-seek-to-redraw-the-lines-n1454817

    Replies: @Flip

    I assume Beverly Hills is better off not being part of Los Angeles.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Flip

    In the referendum on whether Beverly Hills should become part of Los Angeles, Mary Pickford led the NO campaign.

    A wise woman ...

  77. @Anthony Aaron
    @Jack D

    'Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore.'

    You mean the CIA is no longer involved in the international drug trade - like they were during Vietnam (actual drug growing was in Laos/Cambodia)? You mean that the Warren Commission report was actually true? You mean the 9/11 report was actually true? You mean the assassination of RFK was as per the 'investigation' by the government? You mean the USS Liberty attack that killed 34 and injured 170+ wasn't deliberate - and that the threats to imprison crew members for daring to tell the truth was just a figment of their collected imaginations?

    Really?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

    The CIA was involved in child trafficking.

    Research Craig Spence, Larry King, and Boystown Omaha.

    Look at this.

    Homosexual prostitutes were given a midnight tour of the Whitehouse. See the above link.

    If you want to learn more about the elite gay prostitution ring that was being run out of the Boystown orphanage in Omaha (with Black Republican activist Larry King and lobbyist Craig Spence facilitating gay orgies for Washington DC figures), watch the below documentary. This documentary was made by the Discovery Channel.

    Here’s a picture of Larry King, who was Black.

  78. @Anthony Aaron
    @Jack D

    'Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore.'

    You mean the CIA is no longer involved in the international drug trade - like they were during Vietnam (actual drug growing was in Laos/Cambodia)? You mean that the Warren Commission report was actually true? You mean the 9/11 report was actually true? You mean the assassination of RFK was as per the 'investigation' by the government? You mean the USS Liberty attack that killed 34 and injured 170+ wasn't deliberate - and that the threats to imprison crew members for daring to tell the truth was just a figment of their collected imaginations?

    Really?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

    The CIA was involved with a child prostitution ring called “The Finders.”

    See the video below.

    More from Alex Jones. The video below is very disturbing.

  79. @Paul Rise
    @Desiderius

    People in red states are done with Biden. He's one bad set of economic figures away from being completely abandoned by the media that fawned over him. If he tries a war, short of the US actually being clearly attacked by a foreign nation, they will turn on him even more viciously.

    Things are going to be very interesting over next decade, but I dont think Old Joe is going to be much of a player in any of it. Another difference between him and Trump...

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Paul, nice comment and the more we see of harris as a public figure, the less respect we have for her. Truly one of the weakest tickets ever, but here we are.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Buffalo Joe

    Kamala Harris is a mid-IQ space cadet. She got this high because she has lots of drive and lots of ambition, none too much smarts and IQ. Just ask Willie Brown. She was a vicious prosecutor in California as their Attorney General. She went on personal vendettas against those she hated. In this ultra-lib state she was out of control. The epitome of the worst kind of female hack politician.

    When it comes to intelligent policy she is a zero. Foreign policy-Zero. Economics-Zero. She is not too bright. Look out below if she gets to the Presidency. If senile Joe fills a full term, w Dr. Jill as his seeing guide dog. Then horizontal Harris will be positioned to get the Dems nomination for President. Senile Joe said he would serve one term.

    Repeating - Don't confuse her successful drive and ambition with intelligence and morality. She has the worst intentions powered by female emotions that rule her. No children, no offspring, never birthed, makes her triple dangerous. This gives her a subconscious, free floating resentment. Makes her push for chaos and anarchy. That she will act out on America.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  80. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT, but hints that money printer may not go brrrr indefinitely, perhaps, one day, far in the future.


    I don't see how interest rates can rise much given the amount of Govt debt in the UK and US. But the dollar has risen and gold has fallen.


    https://twitter.com/CheksNBalances/status/1405404230312095744

    Replies: @Mario Partisan, @SaneClownPosse

    I was waiting for the Fed report yesterday and watching the market, which took a little dip right at 2PM EST as this report came out.

    It really goes to show what a mess the money situation has become. First, the core of the press release was “no change” to the target range for the Fed Funds Rate and no lowering of the lower bound for bond purchases. All that changed was that the 2023 median FOMC member forecast for the FFR went up to…wait for it…0.6 percent!!! Oh yeah, they are getting really hawkish /s.

    To give some perspective, after the dot com bubble burst in 2001, the Fed pushed the FFR to what at the time was an historic low of about 1.25% to rescue/inflate the economy. Now, 0.6 pct is considered contractionary.

    As I have thought for a long time, I don’t ever see the Fed really being able to normalize rates. There is simply too much debt and debt service simply becomes impossible if rates are allowed to rise to historically normal levels. The system would collapse under debt deflation. Given that, the Fed looks like it will simply have to “tolerate” rising inflation and gamble that the wheels don’t come off the dollar-fueled Ponzi train.

    So as to not be fully off topic, I remember smelling a metallic odor in the air the night of the fire from some ways away. There are quite a few navy personnel in my area. I’ll ask if anyone has heard anything.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Mario Partisan


    There is simply too much debt and debt service simply becomes impossible if rates are allowed to rise to historically normal levels.
     
    Exactly. If interest rates go to even 4%, servicing the federal debt of ~25 tri$$ion will cost at least a trillion dollars a year.
  81. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    " it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore"

    What a steaming pile of ordure.

    Only a year or so back the US assassinated an Iranian military guy quite openly. They have armed, funded and trained "rebels" in Syria and started the ongoing civil war. They did the same in Libya before that. And Iraq before that.

    At the same time they have been happy to support (and more if truth were known) the Egyptian regime which overthrew an elected government and then killed thousands of that governments supporters.

    And before that they armed, funded and trained Islamist head-choppers in Afghanistan, including Bin Laden, in order that they could kill Russian soldiers. Then they tell lies about "Russian bounties" in Syria.

    I love meeting individual Americans - great, kind, open hearted people, great country.

    But their foreign policy establishment are evil. And so are a lot of the apologists for them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Clyde

    ‘What a steaming pile of ordure.’

    Indeed. Egypt and Syria would be the most recent examples.

    It hardly helps that we no longer do this because it is in our interests, but because our Zionist handlers order us to do it.

    At least it used to be ‘he may be a bastard, but he’s our bastard.’ Now it’s ‘he may be a bastard, but he’s Israel’s bastard.’

    Whatever will master want next? In fact, I’ll tell you the script of all this Russia nonsense. We lay off as soon as Russia does as Israel wishes and lets her have her little way with Syria.

  82. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Russian's favorite game (and the favorite game of Russia's friends here) is drawing false equivalences between the dirty stuff that the Russians do and legitimate practices.

    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don't do them anymore. These abuses came to light as part of America's democratic processes and were acknowledged while Putin will NEVER admit to having done anything wrong and anyone who exposes his wrongdoings is likely to end up poisoned or in a penal colony.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @JMcG, @Old Prude, @peterike, @Oscar Peterson, @The Anti-Gnostic, @notbe, @Anthony Aaron, @Louis Renault, @YetAnotherAnon, @anon

    You’ve been an anti-Russian shill for as long as I’ve been coming here, which has been several years. Mostly, your posts are just finger pointing — Merica good, Putin bad. Give it up. The 80s are over.

  83. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT again - are Victoria's Secret about to go broke, or is World War L about to break out?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57508848

    Football star Megan Rapinoe and actress and producer Priyanka Chopra Jonas are joining Victoria's Secret in what the lingerie giant is calling a "dramatic shift" for the brand.

    They are among several new faces who will help promote the brand which is best known for its lingerie-clad models known as Angels.

    Victoria's Secret still generates billions of dollars in sales.

    However, its hyper-sexualised image has fallen out of fashion in recent years.

    Ms Rapinoe and Ms Chopra Jonas will form part of "The VS Collective" a group of women who will work with the company on "collaborations, business partnerships and cause-related initiatives".

    It comes as Victoria's Secret prepares to cut ties with its parent company L Brands in a spin-off later this year.

    Ms Rapinoe, an LGBTQIA+ activist, was more blunt in her assessment of the company's past image, describing it as "patriarchal, sexist, viewing not just what it meant to be sexy but what the clothes were trying to accomplish through a male lens and through what men desired".
     
    Damn - she's cracked the secret code!

    She added that it was "very much marketed toward younger women", a message which she said was "really harmful."

    The Victoria's Secret show was the brainchild of L Brands' former chief marketing officer Ed Razek who resigned from the firm in 2019. The previous year he had come under fire for making a transphobic remark. He also said audiences had no interest in seeing plus-size models.
     
    The absolute cad!

    Valentina Sampaio, an LGBTQIA+ activist who became Victoria's Secret's first openly transgender model two years ago, has also joined the firm's "collective" alongside plus-sized model and "body advocate" Paloma Elsesser.
     
    Oh dear. Our Brave New World won't have the "superb physical specimens" of Huxley's - thank God their programming/conditioning techniques aren't as good either.

    Replies: @guest007, @Matttt

    Ms Rapinoe and Ms Chopra Jonas

    Isn’t it Mrs Chopra Jonas? She even took her husband’s last name.

    I don’t know if gaymarried lesbians prefer “Mrs” or “Ms,” but it doesn’t matter since Rapinoe is single.

  84. It was glossed over and covered up, because if course it was.

    David Cole’s article last week dovetails nicely with this one. They were apparently covering these sorta of things up even back in WW2!

    https://www.takimag.com/article/mutiny-on-the-booty/

  85. @mmack
    Steve,

    I wonder if this will end up being like the loss of the USS Lafayette/ SS Normandie due to fire while in dock and being converted to a troopship.

    https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2014/09/the-sinking-of-the-s-s-normandie-at-nycs-pier-88/

    The “official” explanation was a fire started when sparks from a welding torch started a stack of life vests on fire, but rumors of lax security and sabotage (it happened in February 1942, after the US joined WW2 as a combatant) still persist to this day.

    Then again, the conversion of the Normandie sounded like a very rushed, slipshod affair, so there’s another possibility between the fate of the two ships.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Alden, @prosa123

    Here’s the theory most Noo Yawkers had about the Normandie.

    The Noo Yawk docks harbor and shipyards were completely controlled by the Mafia. At the beginning of the war, the mafia approached the Navy and offered protection and efficient management.

    The Navy turned the offer down. Whereupon the mafia set the Normandie on fire. NYPD advised the Navy to start paying off the mafia extortionists. The navy do so. And all went well for the rest of the war.

    That was the prevailing theory.

  86. @Jonathan Mason
    What the hell is Biden talking about?

    Does anybody seriously not believe that the United States tries to interfere with the elections of numerous countries?

    One of the most egregious examples would be Biden's former boss Obama openly espousing the cause of Remainers in the British brexit referendum and stating that if Brexit won the day, the UK would go to the back of the line for trade deals with the US.

    This example is egregious because it was done out in the open, but there are numerous other examples where the United States or its proxies have done their level best to overturn elected governments by various means.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Desiderius, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @aldasfail770, @John Cunningham

    I seem to recall that the Obama State Dept. Announced publicly that they were donating $10 million to a slate if candidates in a local Moscow election. US NGOs used to invest big bucks in Russian elections.

  87. @Triteleia Laxa
    Has anyone seen Australian comedy "Why Are You Like This"? It should be on Netflix.

    It is not for people who hate swearing, promiscuity and completely awful Woke leads; but since the joke is quite clearly on them, who also wrote it, it is refreshing and I am not sure that anything has been made quite like it before.

    The honesty in the portrayal of the leads is astonishing. They unconsciously use Woke words to dress up and excuse their unhappy need to dish out cruelty and sadism to those around them. That is how they interact with the world. Ideologically and spitefully.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    “Some people use critical thinking, instead of trying to find the most oppressed person in the room.”

    The lead up to which is very funny.

  88. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    LOL. How about top US executive branch officials colluding with rival political campaigns and the media to interfere in the election of who gets to be their boss? Time was that should net you a few indictments at least.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “How about top US executive branch officials colluding with rival political campaigns and the media to interfere in the election of who gets to be their boss? Time was that should net you a few indictments at least.”

    Yeah, about that…

    https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/roger-stone-keeps-lying-about-the

    https://apnews.com/article/justice-official-demers-resigning-secretly-seized-records-e9fd00c31fc53f827a8921f551b4008e?utm_medium=ap&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=twitter

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/11/oan-pro-trump-outlet-hires-former-dhs-official-chr/

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Corvinus

    Stop following me, Coronavirus.

  89. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/jacobkornbluh/status/1405350741909327872

    LOL.

    Replies: @Tex, @notbe

    You want gratitude in politics? Buy a dog.

  90. OT

    The two St. Louis lawyers who waved guns around at Peaceful Protestors last year have copped misdemeanor pleas. That means the Mr. McClosky can run for public office next year.

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/mark-and-patricia-mccloskey-plead-guilty-to-misdemeanors-after-brandishing-guns-outside-st-louis-mansion/

  91. @peterike
    @Jack D


    Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either and it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore.
     
    LOLZZ!!!!

    Replies: @John Cunningham

    Yeah our commie Politburo would never intervene in election. It would use rich stooges like Bezos’ widow to fund favored parties with Megabucks.

  92. Bribery.

  93. @Goatweed
    What does the official report on Norte Dame Cathedral say about the cause of the fire?

    Replies: @Alden

    A careless worker lit his cigarette before going outside to take his smoke break. And somehow the 800 year old roof support beams just exploded.

    That’s what happened and you better not disagree with the report. Or one of the numerous Abolish Racisme organizations will charge you with hate crime

  94. @Oscar Peterson
    @Jack D


    "Yes, in the past the US did some stuff that was not legitimate either"
     
    Uh, how far in the past?

    As far as what Putin has done wrong, what we get is largely unsupported--and often barely plausible--allegations. I don't buy the generally accepted claim that the Russian government tried to poison Skripal and Navalny. And there are many similarly unimpressive claims.

    At this juncture, we can't speak of "false equivalencies" because it's hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.

    Replies: @Jack D

    At this juncture, we can’t speak of “false equivalencies” because it’s hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.

    Only because Putin wants you to be confused. Here’s a hint – it’s (almost) NEVER a false flag.

    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources. If you don’t believe they were poisoned, you have really drunk the Putin Kool-Aid.

    I really don’t understand the alt-right love for Putin. Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn’t have great love for YOUR people – in fact he sees America as a rival and tries to damage it as much as he can get away with. I don’t know why an American would love such a guy.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Disagree: Mario Partisan
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    How has he tried to damage America "as much as he can get away with?"

    Replies: @anon

    , @Clyde
    @Jack D

    Putin banned gay demos. This is why Europe hates him and the left here too. Vlad has too much testosterone for these degenerates. Macho Trump and macho Putin were going to get along great, and in a beneficial cooperative way, but the Dems sabotaged all this. Starting with their Russia hoax.

    Think-- Putin is the strongest white leader in the world. This is why the European feminazi politicians and their male orbiter politicians are anti-Russia and anti-Putin. Just look at the feminist who rules the EU/ European Commission these days. *Ursula von der Leyen* These Angela Merkle duplicates run the show in most of Europe. The Scandi-Germanic portions of it.

    Replies: @Yngvar

    , @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    >I don't understand why Americans in the current decline admire a man who put concrete national improvement above process or personal safety.

    Yes, you do.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I really don’t understand the alt-right love for Putin.

     

    Because a lot of them are idiots, cranks, and hard-core anti-Semites, Jack. Haven't you noticed that? And the enemy of my enemy is my friend--if you're a troglodyte. (Yes, politics makes strange bedfellows, but you don't have to befriend the strange bedfellow, and most of these idiots, cranks, and anti-Semites are troglodytes.

    Predictably, someone in the Robin DiAngelo post blames her pathology on a couple of weeks she spent on a kibbutz. They never fail.

    Replies: @Jack D, @El Dato

    , @Bill
    @Jack D


    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources.
     
    I haven't followed these very closely. What sources and what documentation?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    "Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn’t have great love for YOUR people"

    The trouble is American/Brit/Euro leaders don't have love for THEIR people either. I can appreciate leaders like Putin and Netanyahu who unashamedly care about their people.

    I can even appreciate you having love for your people, I just need to factor that in to anything and everything you write, which is why we will often disagree.

    "gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people"

    I wouldn't start on that topic if I were you *changes channels from multiracial couple advert over to brilliant black computer scientist over to hard-as-nails lady cop running rings round her pale male colleagues over to multiracial couple advert*

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Corvinus

    , @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    I have few illusions about Putin. I just don't think he's remotely near the biggest issue the US is facing right now, relative to the PRC or to our own domestic problems.

    (I don't particularly hate him, either, though. Same deal with Xi or the mullahs. They aren't my leaders, it's not my job to like or dislike them. Their actions only interest me insofar as they impact the United States.)

    Replies: @Jack D

  95. @Mike Tre
    Negroes are excellent sailors and have a long and storied history of maritime excellence. They started crossing the Atlantic back in the 1600's.

    Plus Scuba Pudding Jr. played Robert DeNiro's personal cook in some movie about racist sea creatures at the bottom of the ocean of something. I never saw it, but I heard it was pretty realistic.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Richard B

    “They started crossing the Atlantic back in the 1600’s.”……….right,….. as ballast.

  96. good thing Elon doesn’t allow any AA hires or Chinese spies into the SpaceX operations. but they’ll be there eventually at some point, even if it’s a decade or two from now.

    NASA already has thousands of both, and we can see how well their manned missions go these days, or not as the case may be.

    DC definitely wants to sue AAs into SpaceX, and China is determined to copy Starship. the longer Elon can keep both of them out, the better chance we have of real technological progress and achieving greatness.

  97. @Buffalo Joe
    @Paul Rise

    Paul, nice comment and the more we see of harris as a public figure, the less respect we have for her. Truly one of the weakest tickets ever, but here we are.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Kamala Harris is a mid-IQ space cadet. She got this high because she has lots of drive and lots of ambition, none too much smarts and IQ. Just ask Willie Brown. She was a vicious prosecutor in California as their Attorney General. She went on personal vendettas against those she hated. In this ultra-lib state she was out of control. The epitome of the worst kind of female hack politician.

    When it comes to intelligent policy she is a zero. Foreign policy-Zero. Economics-Zero. She is not too bright. Look out below if she gets to the Presidency. If senile Joe fills a full term, w Dr. Jill as his seeing guide dog. Then horizontal Harris will be positioned to get the Dems nomination for President. Senile Joe said he would serve one term.

    Repeating – Don’t confuse her successful drive and ambition with intelligence and morality. She has the worst intentions powered by female emotions that rule her. No children, no offspring, never birthed, makes her triple dangerous. This gives her a subconscious, free floating resentment. Makes her push for chaos and anarchy. That she will act out on America.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Clyde


    She got this high because she has lots of drive and lots of ambition, none too much smarts and IQ.
     
    Worked for the Bushes and Windsors
  98. Not so off topic:

    In case you haven’t figured it out….Juneteenth is about REPARATIONS and WHITE GENOCIDE continues apace..,its all over black Twitter…..

  99. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    " it has been rightly criticized for such practices and we don’t do them anymore"

    What a steaming pile of ordure.

    Only a year or so back the US assassinated an Iranian military guy quite openly. They have armed, funded and trained "rebels" in Syria and started the ongoing civil war. They did the same in Libya before that. And Iraq before that.

    At the same time they have been happy to support (and more if truth were known) the Egyptian regime which overthrew an elected government and then killed thousands of that governments supporters.

    And before that they armed, funded and trained Islamist head-choppers in Afghanistan, including Bin Laden, in order that they could kill Russian soldiers. Then they tell lies about "Russian bounties" in Syria.

    I love meeting individual Americans - great, kind, open hearted people, great country.

    But their foreign policy establishment are evil. And so are a lot of the apologists for them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Clyde

    You are an Islamic influenced flaming mess. What nation do you live in? You criticize American foreign policy so where the __ are you sniping from? When Trump wasted Iranian General Soleimani I cheered. Dumbass coward, you will not reply or answer me. Not even enough to lie to me. Are you a Euro-Weenie Dutch? Germanic? My guess at least. You are typical of the Palestinian bum kissers here.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  100. @Buffalo Joe
    Navy should have taken out an insurance policy the Bonhomme Richard, I think GEICO has a warship policy. BUT, the Navy announced this week that they were going to scrap the USS Little Rock which was commissioned in 2017 here in the Buffalo harbor. Four years of duty, marred by engine and transmission problems, not making that up, and now scrap. We can use the steel to build biden bridges.

    Replies: @Altai, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Oscar Peterson, @tyrone, @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    We should have sold the ship to Jeff Bezos! He could fix it more efficiently than the government,and he’d have fun driving it around.
    “Hey look at me! I’m the captain!”

  101. @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "How about top US executive branch officials colluding with rival political campaigns and the media to interfere in the election of who gets to be their boss? Time was that should net you a few indictments at least."

    Yeah, about that...

    https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/roger-stone-keeps-lying-about-the

    https://apnews.com/article/justice-official-demers-resigning-secretly-seized-records-e9fd00c31fc53f827a8921f551b4008e?utm_medium=ap&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=twitter

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/11/oan-pro-trump-outlet-hires-former-dhs-official-chr/

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Stop following me, Coronavirus.

  102. @Jack D
    @Oscar Peterson


    At this juncture, we can’t speak of “false equivalencies” because it’s hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.
     
    Only because Putin wants you to be confused. Here's a hint - it's (almost) NEVER a false flag.

    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources. If you don't believe they were poisoned, you have really drunk the Putin Kool-Aid.

    I really don't understand the alt-right love for Putin. Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn't have great love for YOUR people - in fact he sees America as a rival and tries to damage it as much as he can get away with. I don't know why an American would love such a guy.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Clyde, @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Bill, @YetAnotherAnon, @nebulafox

    How has he tried to damage America “as much as he can get away with?”

    • Replies: @anon
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Putin has sekret armies of Cossacks hidden away all over Amerika, waiting for orders to start the pogroms! There are people who know, people who know this is true! Just ask Abe Foxman!!

  103. @ginger bread man
    OT: When it comes in the issue Israelis and Palestinians, I find myself Siding with the Palestinians because of the gross in humanity of the Israeli military. Steve, you brilliantly showed how the main stream narrative on BLM is at best a gross misrepresentation of the facts, and at worst a complete fabrication. is the same thing true with the Palestinians? Is the main stream media pulling another fast one? I would really like to know because I seem to almost instinctively side with the Palestinians, but I would like to hear your take on things because you are more well read on this topic than I am probably

    Replies: @J.Ross, @James Speaks, @james wilson

    There exist legitimate complaints (ie, settlement theft and the unique cruelty of a highly intelligent and moralistic people who consider themselves one hundred percent in the right), but it never gets you anywhere because the Palestinians are Muslim rather than Christian martyrs. For every bad Israeli thing there’s bad or worse Palestinian reactions, and the thing doesn’t proceed from a clean starting point. You can therefore be angry about Israeli crimes and wary of ongoing Israeli criminal activity (eg, against their supposed greatest ally), but it’s a mistake to advocate for or side with the Palestinians. I was a long time pro-Palestinian commentator but was behind Israel when it tried to install metal detectors at a world heritage site where people were bringing weapons. I had thought it already had metal detectors.
    If you go looking for evidence you’ll find it both ways.

  104. @Jack D
    @Oscar Peterson


    At this juncture, we can’t speak of “false equivalencies” because it’s hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.
     
    Only because Putin wants you to be confused. Here's a hint - it's (almost) NEVER a false flag.

    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources. If you don't believe they were poisoned, you have really drunk the Putin Kool-Aid.

    I really don't understand the alt-right love for Putin. Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn't have great love for YOUR people - in fact he sees America as a rival and tries to damage it as much as he can get away with. I don't know why an American would love such a guy.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Clyde, @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Bill, @YetAnotherAnon, @nebulafox

    Putin banned gay demos. This is why Europe hates him and the left here too. Vlad has too much testosterone for these degenerates. Macho Trump and macho Putin were going to get along great, and in a beneficial cooperative way, but the Dems sabotaged all this. Starting with their Russia hoax.

    Think– Putin is the strongest white leader in the world. This is why the European feminazi politicians and their male orbiter politicians are anti-Russia and anti-Putin. Just look at the feminist who rules the EU/ European Commission these days. *Ursula von der Leyen* These Angela Merkle duplicates run the show in most of Europe. The Scandi-Germanic portions of it.

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    @Clyde

    Ms. von der Leyen have pushed out seven kids. At least she has the skin-game right.

    Replies: @Clyde

  105. Off topic
    The McCloskey’’s, the St Louis couple arrested for coming out in their front lawn with guns to confront trespassing BLM scum today plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge and agreed to give up their guns.

    The only reason the McCloskeys lived in black destroyed St Louis is to restore that beautiful old home. They could afford the very best defense attorneys. But lost because they live in a black and new dominated city and county.

    Other than affirmative action, the overwhelming reason I feel about blacks and liberals the way I do is that the blacks control all our formerly beautiful cities with pre 1945 residential homes and apartments. New residential architecture just goes from bad to worse. .

  106. @Jack D
    @Oscar Peterson


    At this juncture, we can’t speak of “false equivalencies” because it’s hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.
     
    Only because Putin wants you to be confused. Here's a hint - it's (almost) NEVER a false flag.

    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources. If you don't believe they were poisoned, you have really drunk the Putin Kool-Aid.

    I really don't understand the alt-right love for Putin. Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn't have great love for YOUR people - in fact he sees America as a rival and tries to damage it as much as he can get away with. I don't know why an American would love such a guy.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Clyde, @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Bill, @YetAnotherAnon, @nebulafox

    >I don’t understand why Americans in the current decline admire a man who put concrete national improvement above process or personal safety.

    Yes, you do.

    • Agree: El Dato
  107. USS Bonhomme Richard

    The Dandy Dick?

    But it’s been mums the word ever since.

    Mum’s.

    It’s probably just a coincidence that this multi-billion dollar fire broke out during a nationwide surge in arson due to the Racial Reckoning.

    • Replies: @Richard York
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's Heinlein's Razor. Not Hanlon's.

    Interestingly, Robert Heinlein was himself a naval officer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  108. @Old Prude
    @Jack D

    I thought Putin’s equating locking up and killing his opponents to what was done to Ashli Babbitt and her fellow partiers was pure genius. He was probably snickering about that all night. He was only defending Democracy, right?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Have you seen the Revolver piece making connections to a similar FBI false flag in Michigan, which got the Detroit office chief promoted to DC? Standard FBI fake investigation false flag, relying on utterly helpless people who will walk if they get a real lawyer as always. The plan was for militias to hold a rally at the (Michigan) capital, then agitate and lead, and get rallygoers to storm the capital building. So in other words exactly what happened on January 6th (once the same planner was in town).
    https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/federal-foreknowledge-jan-6-unindicted-co-conspirators-raise-disturbing-questions/

  109. I really don’t understand the alt-right love for Putin. Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn’t have great love for YOUR people – in fact he sees America as a rival and tries to damage it as much as he can get away with. I don’t know why an American would love such a guy.

    I’m not really on hang out terms with Putin but my sense is he cares for Americans much more than our own government does. In fact I think the N. Koreans care more for Americans than our own government does.

  110. @Richard York
    The Bonhomme Richard Burning may not be connected to the Racial Reckoning. Some of us older hands will remember the Bonfire of the USS Miami way back in May 2012:

    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2015/06/13/damaged-sub-miami-leaves-shipyard-to-be-scrapped/#:~:text=The%20May%202012%20fire%2C%20which,a%2017%2Dyear%20prison%20sentence.

    The ship had to be scrapped after a disgruntled worker set a small electrical fire to trigger the fire alarms so he could leave early. Of course the fire got out of control and the ship turned into a candle. Maybe some sailor on the Bonhomme Richard wanted to do the same?

    Incidentally the original Bonhomme Richard of John Paul Jones fame also went to the bottom after getting lit on fire by the British cruiser Serapis in a naval battle off the coast of France.

    By the way, the unmentioned subtext of both of these stories is the declining competence/loyalty of our country's working classes and the declining capacity of its shipbuilding/industrial economic sector. I can't imagine anyone in WWII thinking to burn down any of our warships just to go home early. It seems to be a pretty recent phenomenon. Not a good sign for the future of the United States.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Eagle Eye

  111. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT, but hints that money printer may not go brrrr indefinitely, perhaps, one day, far in the future.


    I don't see how interest rates can rise much given the amount of Govt debt in the UK and US. But the dollar has risen and gold has fallen.


    https://twitter.com/CheksNBalances/status/1405404230312095744

    Replies: @Mario Partisan, @SaneClownPosse

    If Gold falls in US Dollar terms, that means it takes more USD to buy the same amount of Gold.

    Gold’s (and that of other real, physical assets) intrinsic value stays the same overtime.

    They create USD merely by adding digits to electronic accounts held at the Federal Reserve. Literally Money for Nothing.

    USD is going to trash, and not in some far off future dystopian America.

    “There will be blood.”

    It always amused me, when the 4pm money honeys would announce that stocks were up and the dollar was down, or that stocks were down and the dollar was up, without ever recognizing the obvious and direct correlation. They need to report Green every day at 4pm. “You know what I want, Josh, give me the Green!”

  112. @Barnard
    @Jonathan Mason

    Biden's delivery was very clear and articulate for him, which would indicate those were prepared remarks his staff wrote for him. Are the members of his staff smart enough to gaslight like this, or simply ignorant? Do they think it is noble when the United States interferes in other country's elections so it doesn't count as interference?

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    Maybe they implanted a bio mechanical receiving device that bypasses Old Joe’s brain to go direct to his speech center.

  113. @anon
    In August it was reported a sailor was under investigation for arson. But it’s been mums the word ever since.

    The decline of standards has many implications.

    Replies: @mmack

    The USN may have learned something about keeping their damned fool mouths shut after the USS Iowa turret explosion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion

    The first investigation into the explosion, conducted by the U.S. Navy, concluded that one of the gun turret crew members, Clayton Hartwig, who died in the explosion, had deliberately caused it. During the investigation, numerous leaks to the media, later attributed to U.S. Navy officers and investigators, implied that Hartwig and another sailor, Kendall Truitt, had engaged in a romantic relationship and that Hartwig had caused the explosion after their relationship had soured. In its report, however, the U.S. Navy concluded that the evidence did not show that Hartwig was homosexual but that he was suicidal and had caused the explosion with either an electronic or chemical detonator.

    ……

    The Senate committee asked the GAO to review the U.S. Navy’s investigation. To assist the GAO, Sandia National Laboratories provided a team of scientists to review the Navy’s technical investigation.

    During its review, Sandia determined that a significant overram of the powder bags into the gun had occurred as it was being loaded and that the overram could have caused the explosion. A subsequent test by the Navy of the overram scenario confirmed that an overram could have caused an explosion in the gun breech. Sandia’s technicians also found that the physical evidence did not support the U.S. Navy’s theory that an electronic or chemical detonator had been used to initiate the explosion.

    In response to the new findings, the U.S. Navy, with Sandia’s assistance, reopened the investigation. In August 1991, Sandia and the GAO completed their reports, concluding that it was likely that the explosion was caused by an accidental overram of powder bags into the breech of the 16-inch gun. The U.S. Navy, however, disagreed with Sandia’s opinion and concluded that the cause of the explosion could not be determined. The U.S. Navy expressed regret (but did not offer an apology) to Hartwig’s family and closed its investigation.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @mmack

    I'm not sure what lesson you're implying they learned, but I remember that incident, and the lesson they would have taken away would have been, "Don't even think of accusing a member of a Favored Class of a crime, no matter how strong the evidence, or the entire weight of the Establishment will be brought to bear to prove you are a hatey hatey hater."

    Of course, by now it is so internalized as to be unconscious.

  114. @AnotherDad

    Has anybody heard what caused it?
     
    Same thing that's burning down America, burning down the West.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Same thing that’s burning down America, burning down the West.

    The problem here is that they have run out of houses to burn on Devils Night in Detriot so now they are moving onto the rest of the nation..

  115. @ginger bread man
    OT: When it comes in the issue Israelis and Palestinians, I find myself Siding with the Palestinians because of the gross in humanity of the Israeli military. Steve, you brilliantly showed how the main stream narrative on BLM is at best a gross misrepresentation of the facts, and at worst a complete fabrication. is the same thing true with the Palestinians? Is the main stream media pulling another fast one? I would really like to know because I seem to almost instinctively side with the Palestinians, but I would like to hear your take on things because you are more well read on this topic than I am probably

    Replies: @J.Ross, @James Speaks, @james wilson

    Even though two of my grandparents came from the area, I was actually an Israel supporter for many years. Around the age of forty, though, I noticed something. If you carefully follow the events, a few patterns emerge.

    Whenever there is supposed to be a peace deal, Israel provokes Palestine though some, as you describe it, inhumane action and the media barely mention it. Whatever the Palestinians do is reported widely and treated as the provocation for the inevitable Israeli murderous response.

    It’s much like negro kills white – no big deal. White microaggresses against negro and the media are all over it painting the whites as oppressors, and the negroes rampage, burning, looting and murdering. Israelis are the negroes; they get preferential treatment, they are the aggressors, and they claim victim status.

    Another site did a study a few decades ago about under reporting and over reporting. Israeli aggression is under reported – that it is mentioned once if at all, and always with a pro-Israel slant. “Israeli troops stop Palestinian terrorists throwing rock by bombing Gaza. 100 militants killed.”

    Anything Palestinians did would be reported over and over and the clear message was that Palestinians commit many times more acts of violence than Israelis, but the opposite would be true.

    Even though the news would portray Palestinians as untrustworthy and the IDF/MOSSAD operatives in blogs would call any Palestinian a liar, once you started to follow the news and keep track of what is actually happenng, it becomes possible to counter the Zionist Brigade and prove that they are liars.

    There’s more but you should find it yourself.
    1) Keep track of events and notice biased language.
    2) Figure out who is the liar and who tells the truth, and figure out who steals land and water from whom.

    The empowerment is wonderful. There are no Zionists who have argued with me in person who have won or have escaped with their reputation and self-esteem intact.

    • Disagree: vhrm
  116. https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1405606178709774336?s=20

    Lol

    Any progress identifying the Pinker-looking guy(?) with the walkie-talkie orchestrating the whole show?

  117. Not sure of the implication of a lit match
    reducing a mega billions ship into scrap.

    Any spy cameras?
    Can’t go 2 ft in Walmart without a camera gotcha.
    Every st corner has several.

  118. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/jacobkornbluh/status/1405350741909327872

    LOL.

    Replies: @Tex, @notbe

    double LOL

  119. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    How has he tried to damage America "as much as he can get away with?"

    Replies: @anon

    Putin has sekret armies of Cossacks hidden away all over Amerika, waiting for orders to start the pogroms! There are people who know, people who know this is true! Just ask Abe Foxman!!

  120. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Buffalo Joe

    The Bonhomme Richard sounds like the name of a ship from a Gilbert & Sullivan operetta. I'm sorry she was decommissioned for that reason alone.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    When a Navy man is negligent past caring,
    Or insensitive to duty when it calls,
    His capacity for derring-do and daring
    Takes second place to indolent “f*ck-it-all’s”;

    If he says, “it were just some petrol near the tyres,”
    We must show the lad the Navy’s not for fun,
    An aircraft carrier’s no place for setting fires,
    An Inspector General’s lot is not an ‘appy one.

    • Thanks: The Anti-Gnostic
  121. @Jack D
    @Oscar Peterson


    At this juncture, we can’t speak of “false equivalencies” because it’s hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.
     
    Only because Putin wants you to be confused. Here's a hint - it's (almost) NEVER a false flag.

    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources. If you don't believe they were poisoned, you have really drunk the Putin Kool-Aid.

    I really don't understand the alt-right love for Putin. Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn't have great love for YOUR people - in fact he sees America as a rival and tries to damage it as much as he can get away with. I don't know why an American would love such a guy.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Clyde, @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Bill, @YetAnotherAnon, @nebulafox

    I really don’t understand the alt-right love for Putin.

    Because a lot of them are idiots, cranks, and hard-core anti-Semites, Jack. Haven’t you noticed that? And the enemy of my enemy is my friend–if you’re a troglodyte. (Yes, politics makes strange bedfellows, but you don’t have to befriend the strange bedfellow, and most of these idiots, cranks, and anti-Semites are troglodytes.

    Predictably, someone in the Robin DiAngelo post blames her pathology on a couple of weeks she spent on a kibbutz. They never fail.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Putin has very little to do with anti-Semitism. He is a horrible human with blood on his hands but (unusually for a KGB man) he doesn't seem to particularly hate Jews. His martial arts instructor, whom he regarded as a sort of 2nd father, was Jewish as are a number of people in his inner circle.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    , @El Dato
    @Paperback Writer

    We need a "Agree/Disagree" button that says "This is retarded".

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  122. Maybe it was the same guys that set fire to Althea Bernstein?

  123. @Reg Cæsar


    USS Bonhomme Richard
     
    The Dandy Dick?

    But it’s been mums the word ever since.
     
    Mum's.


    https://gilmour.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/growing-chrysanthemum.jpg

    It’s probably just a coincidence that this multi-billion dollar fire broke out during a nationwide surge in arson due to the Racial Reckoning.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/0f/4d/700f4d741290a53a60e7761671079e0c.png

    Replies: @Richard York

    That’s Heinlein’s Razor. Not Hanlon’s.

    Interestingly, Robert Heinlein was himself a naval officer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Richard York

    It is indeed Hanlon's, #2 on this list, after Occam's:


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_razor

    Replies: @Richard York

  124. @Richard York
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's Heinlein's Razor. Not Hanlon's.

    Interestingly, Robert Heinlein was himself a naval officer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It is indeed Hanlon’s, #2 on this list, after Occam’s:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_razor

    • Replies: @Richard York
    @Reg Cæsar

    I stand corrected. I've always been taught it as Heinlein's Razor.

    What with the subject matter, Heinlein's Razor was too serendipitous to pass up.

  125. @Jack D
    @Oscar Peterson


    At this juncture, we can’t speak of “false equivalencies” because it’s hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.
     
    Only because Putin wants you to be confused. Here's a hint - it's (almost) NEVER a false flag.

    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources. If you don't believe they were poisoned, you have really drunk the Putin Kool-Aid.

    I really don't understand the alt-right love for Putin. Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn't have great love for YOUR people - in fact he sees America as a rival and tries to damage it as much as he can get away with. I don't know why an American would love such a guy.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Clyde, @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Bill, @YetAnotherAnon, @nebulafox

    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources.

    I haven’t followed these very closely. What sources and what documentation?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bill

    Hopefully you're just being a wise ass and aren't really a low information voter.

    The wikis have plenty of links if you care to go deeper, but the articles themselves are a decent summary of what is known to a high degree of certainty, except by those who really don't want to know the truth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexei_Navalny

    Replies: @El Dato, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bill

  126. Anon[139] • Disclaimer says:

    I inquired via email and got this in response (redacted):

    Hi [Anon],

    The investigation remains ongoing. No charges have been filed at this time. Out of respect for the investigative process, NCIS does not comment on or confirm details relating to ongoing investigations. You may file a Freedom of Information Act request for investigative materials only after the investigation has closed. Specific instructions for how to file a FOIA request may be found on our website at http://www.NCIS.navy.mil.

    V/r,

    [Givenname Surname]
    NCIS Public Affairs, Office of Strategic Communications
    Cell: [000-000-0000]
    Website: http://www.ncis.navy.mil
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NCIS.Official
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/RealNCIS
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/NCISvideo

    If you have any media queries, please direct them to our group email list at: [same email as I got by Googling NCIS and looking at the contact page on their dot-mil website]

    The text of my email was:

    I’m writing to inquire about the status of the investigation into the possibility that arson was the cause of the July 2020 burning of the USS Bonhomme Richard in San Diego. It’s been almost a year. Has the investigation been called off? Why hasn’t a public statement been made?

    Hopefully, after Longfellow, this will be the ultimate result:

    Though the mills of NCIS grind slowly; Yet they grind exceeding small;
    Though with patience they stand waiting, With exactness grind they all.

    • Thanks: vhrm, Yngvar
  127. @Reg Cæsar
    @Richard York

    It is indeed Hanlon's, #2 on this list, after Occam's:


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_razor

    Replies: @Richard York

    I stand corrected. I’ve always been taught it as Heinlein’s Razor.

    What with the subject matter, Heinlein’s Razor was too serendipitous to pass up.

  128. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I really don’t understand the alt-right love for Putin.

     

    Because a lot of them are idiots, cranks, and hard-core anti-Semites, Jack. Haven't you noticed that? And the enemy of my enemy is my friend--if you're a troglodyte. (Yes, politics makes strange bedfellows, but you don't have to befriend the strange bedfellow, and most of these idiots, cranks, and anti-Semites are troglodytes.

    Predictably, someone in the Robin DiAngelo post blames her pathology on a couple of weeks she spent on a kibbutz. They never fail.

    Replies: @Jack D, @El Dato

    Putin has very little to do with anti-Semitism. He is a horrible human with blood on his hands but (unusually for a KGB man) he doesn’t seem to particularly hate Jews. His martial arts instructor, whom he regarded as a sort of 2nd father, was Jewish as are a number of people in his inner circle.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Jack D


    He is a horrible human with blood on his hands
     
    Not particularly.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    Jack, please.... I know that Putin himself is no anti-Semite. I'm saying that idiots, anti-Semites, and troglodytes see him as the White Knight who embodies their virtue system. It doesn't matter that most of them are pro-Nazi, pro-Hitler, and that Russia suffered grievously in The Great Patriotic War, and if any of them were to reveal their fondness for the Axis side to a group of Russians in a bar, they'd never walk out with their teeth (if they have any to begin with).

    You're a very bright guy, but rather dense when it comes to people and their motivations.

    Replies: @anon, @JMcG

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Russian support for Iran is problematic, especially the supply of nuclear technology to that country. Jews are right to be unhappy about this.

  129. @Bill
    @Jack D


    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources.
     
    I haven't followed these very closely. What sources and what documentation?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Hopefully you’re just being a wise ass and aren’t really a low information voter.

    The wikis have plenty of links if you care to go deeper, but the articles themselves are a decent summary of what is known to a high degree of certainty, except by those who really don’t want to know the truth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexei_Navalny

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Jack D

    Why do you link to official propaganda made up as a wall of text citing "sources"? "Vladimir Uglyov" and "Bellingcat", really.

    Nothing in the "Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal" makes any sense except as something that Sergei was involved in that went wrong and was later retconned and greatly amplified as a "Russian hit".

    Replies: @vhrm

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    You must have been really upset with George W. Bush's body count from his Iraq war.

    , @Bill
    @Jack D

    Everybody is a low information voter. One of the reasons democracy is stupid is that it is impossible to be sufficiently informed.

    I was hoping for something equivalent to the Mueller report on alleged Russian interference in the election. I don't see anything like that linked (do tell me if I missed it). The closest seems to be a very brief summary of an OPCW report saying that something (presumably Novichok, but it doesn't say that) was found in the Skirpal's blood and elsewhere. The claim that the Russians did it seem to be nearly naked conclusory assertion by the UK.

    The Navalny case is almost identical, though the locution there does seem to say it was Novichok without using that word.

    In the Skirpal case, the relevant authorities bizarrely failed to provide Russia, whose citizens were allegedly poisoned, samples and access to its citizens. I can't tell from what I've read whether evidence was similarly denied to Russia in the Navalny case.

    I don't see why I should conclude from this that Russia poisoned them. It seems reasonable to conclude that they were poisoned (assuming, as I do, that the OPCW is less corrupt than the FBI crime lab).

  130. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Putin has very little to do with anti-Semitism. He is a horrible human with blood on his hands but (unusually for a KGB man) he doesn't seem to particularly hate Jews. His martial arts instructor, whom he regarded as a sort of 2nd father, was Jewish as are a number of people in his inner circle.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    He is a horrible human with blood on his hands

    Not particularly.

  131. @Jack D
    @Bill

    Hopefully you're just being a wise ass and aren't really a low information voter.

    The wikis have plenty of links if you care to go deeper, but the articles themselves are a decent summary of what is known to a high degree of certainty, except by those who really don't want to know the truth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexei_Navalny

    Replies: @El Dato, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bill

    Why do you link to official propaganda made up as a wall of text citing “sources”? “Vladimir Uglyov” and “Bellingcat”, really.

    Nothing in the “Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal” makes any sense except as something that Sergei was involved in that went wrong and was later retconned and greatly amplified as a “Russian hit”.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @El Dato


    Nothing in the “Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal” makes any sense except as something that Sergei was involved in that went wrong and was later retconned and greatly amplified as a “Russian hit”.
     
    Putin flexing on expats and potential defectors probably makes more sense.
  132. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I really don’t understand the alt-right love for Putin.

     

    Because a lot of them are idiots, cranks, and hard-core anti-Semites, Jack. Haven't you noticed that? And the enemy of my enemy is my friend--if you're a troglodyte. (Yes, politics makes strange bedfellows, but you don't have to befriend the strange bedfellow, and most of these idiots, cranks, and anti-Semites are troglodytes.

    Predictably, someone in the Robin DiAngelo post blames her pathology on a couple of weeks she spent on a kibbutz. They never fail.

    Replies: @Jack D, @El Dato

    We need a “Agree/Disagree” button that says “This is retarded”.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @El Dato

    Only retards say, "this is retarded."

  133. @Flip
    @Flip

    I assume Beverly Hills is better off not being part of Los Angeles.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    In the referendum on whether Beverly Hills should become part of Los Angeles, Mary Pickford led the NO campaign.

    A wise woman …

  134. Whatever Happened to the USS Bonhomme Richard?

    Same thing that happened to:

    What is it today? I shudder to think!

    [MORE]

    Sub 120 is the likely answer to both questions.

    • Replies: @res
    @Blinky Bill


    What is it today?
     
    Good question. Anybody know? (final answer below, who knows? they changed the test in 2020)

    One thing is clear. They are not reacting to that with a determination to do better. From 2019.
    https://www.dvidshub.net/news/324685/help-make-marine-officer-mos-assignments-better

    Recent analysis of the GCT determined more and more officers would not match the requirements WWII era officers had met, but that does not necessarily mean that current officers are inferior leaders when compared to their predecessors. The Operations Research Analyst Team with Manpower and Reserve Affairs (M&RA) determined that the GCT gives little insight on how capable current Marine officers really are.

    “Unfortunately, the GCT is outdated and we do not use its results for anything other than a pseudo indication of intelligence,” said Dr. Michael R. Strobl, Deputy Director, Manpower Plans and Policies. “We don't use it for [Military Occupational Specialties] selection, promotion, billet assignments, or talent management at large.”
     
    Contrast that with this 2015 Brookings article (also has numerical results with SDs).
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2015/07/24/understanding-the-steady-and-troubling-decline-in-the-average-intelligence-of-marine-corps-officers/

    The GCT dates back to World War II, when it was developed to help classify incoming servicemen. Designed to have a mean score of 100, with a standard deviation of 20, 120 was used as the bar for entry into Marine Officer Candidate School (OCS).

    After World War II, the military replaced the GCT with the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB). The Marine Corps, however, still administers the GCT to officers at The Basic School (TBS) because it strongly predicts their success there.
     
    Also see this PDF.
    https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/Documents/jfq/jfq-81/jfq-81_54-61_Cancian.pdf

    Looks like they ditched the GCT in January 2020. Now that's how you deal with poor performance!
    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/01/31/marines-ditch-wwii-era-test-officer-assignments.html
  135. @Jack D
    @Oscar Peterson


    At this juncture, we can’t speak of “false equivalencies” because it’s hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.
     
    Only because Putin wants you to be confused. Here's a hint - it's (almost) NEVER a false flag.

    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources. If you don't believe they were poisoned, you have really drunk the Putin Kool-Aid.

    I really don't understand the alt-right love for Putin. Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn't have great love for YOUR people - in fact he sees America as a rival and tries to damage it as much as he can get away with. I don't know why an American would love such a guy.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Clyde, @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Bill, @YetAnotherAnon, @nebulafox

    “Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn’t have great love for YOUR people”

    The trouble is American/Brit/Euro leaders don’t have love for THEIR people either. I can appreciate leaders like Putin and Netanyahu who unashamedly care about their people.

    I can even appreciate you having love for your people, I just need to factor that in to anything and everything you write, which is why we will often disagree.

    “gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people”

    I wouldn’t start on that topic if I were you *changes channels from multiracial couple advert over to brilliant black computer scientist over to hard-as-nails lady cop running rings round her pale male colleagues over to multiracial couple advert*

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I think it has gotten to the point where a lot of people find Euro-American BlueCheck elites so over-the-top disgusting and obnoxious that they'll admire or at least respect anybody who thumbs their nose at them, especially people who they visibly hate due to racial/ideological reasons like Putin.

    Let's do a thought experiment. Xi's contempt for America's bien-pensant elites is something he's not bothering to hide anymore, much like Putin from my understanding, and while perhaps the commentariat here wouldn't openly admire him like Putin if he openly mocks, say, a Kamala Harris pronouncement on "intersectionality", they also probably wouldn't be too upset at him, either. Grudging respect might be the result, maybe?

    , @Corvinus
    @YetAnotherAnon

    "The trouble is American/Brit/Euro leaders don’t have love for THEIR people either."

    The reality is that they do love their people, it's just that the policies they promote are not well-liked by some of their people.

    "I can appreciate leaders like Putin and Netanyahu who unashamedly care about their people."

    Putin is a Russian Deep Stater who poisons his opponents, and Netanyahu is a Jew grifter.

  136. @Mike Tre
    Negroes are excellent sailors and have a long and storied history of maritime excellence. They started crossing the Atlantic back in the 1600's.

    Plus Scuba Pudding Jr. played Robert DeNiro's personal cook in some movie about racist sea creatures at the bottom of the ocean of something. I never saw it, but I heard it was pretty realistic.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Richard B

    The same template will be used on USS Bonhomme Richard as was used with everything from The USS Liberty, 911 to Covid, George Floyd, etc, etc. before and after.

    1. Victimize – Blame Victim – Play Victim

    2. Destroy the Evidence – Control the Narrative – Enforced the Law (on anyone looking for evidence to question the narrative)

    All of the above so that the hostile elite (and their useful idiots and paid proxies) can be

    3. Placed Above Criticism – Loved Unconditionally – Blindly Obeyed

    Rinse and Repeat until the designated scapegoat internalizes learned helplessness.

    Once the scapegoat is out of the way the hostile elite’s empire will collapse.

    And there will be no pause in the fall.

  137. @mmack
    @anon

    The USN may have learned something about keeping their damned fool mouths shut after the USS Iowa turret explosion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion

    The first investigation into the explosion, conducted by the U.S. Navy, concluded that one of the gun turret crew members, Clayton Hartwig, who died in the explosion, had deliberately caused it. During the investigation, numerous leaks to the media, later attributed to U.S. Navy officers and investigators, implied that Hartwig and another sailor, Kendall Truitt, had engaged in a romantic relationship and that Hartwig had caused the explosion after their relationship had soured. In its report, however, the U.S. Navy concluded that the evidence did not show that Hartwig was homosexual but that he was suicidal and had caused the explosion with either an electronic or chemical detonator.

    ......

    The Senate committee asked the GAO to review the U.S. Navy's investigation. To assist the GAO, Sandia National Laboratories provided a team of scientists to review the Navy's technical investigation.

    During its review, Sandia determined that a significant overram of the powder bags into the gun had occurred as it was being loaded and that the overram could have caused the explosion. A subsequent test by the Navy of the overram scenario confirmed that an overram could have caused an explosion in the gun breech. Sandia's technicians also found that the physical evidence did not support the U.S. Navy's theory that an electronic or chemical detonator had been used to initiate the explosion.

    In response to the new findings, the U.S. Navy, with Sandia's assistance, reopened the investigation. In August 1991, Sandia and the GAO completed their reports, concluding that it was likely that the explosion was caused by an accidental overram of powder bags into the breech of the 16-inch gun. The U.S. Navy, however, disagreed with Sandia's opinion and concluded that the cause of the explosion could not be determined. The U.S. Navy expressed regret (but did not offer an apology) to Hartwig's family and closed its investigation.

    Replies: @Nachum

    I’m not sure what lesson you’re implying they learned, but I remember that incident, and the lesson they would have taken away would have been, “Don’t even think of accusing a member of a Favored Class of a crime, no matter how strong the evidence, or the entire weight of the Establishment will be brought to bear to prove you are a hatey hatey hater.”

    Of course, by now it is so internalized as to be unconscious.

  138. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Putin has very little to do with anti-Semitism. He is a horrible human with blood on his hands but (unusually for a KGB man) he doesn't seem to particularly hate Jews. His martial arts instructor, whom he regarded as a sort of 2nd father, was Jewish as are a number of people in his inner circle.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    Jack, please…. I know that Putin himself is no anti-Semite. I’m saying that idiots, anti-Semites, and troglodytes see him as the White Knight who embodies their virtue system. It doesn’t matter that most of them are pro-Nazi, pro-Hitler, and that Russia suffered grievously in The Great Patriotic War, and if any of them were to reveal their fondness for the Axis side to a group of Russians in a bar, they’d never walk out with their teeth (if they have any to begin with).

    You’re a very bright guy, but rather dense when it comes to people and their motivations.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Paperback Writer

    . I’m saying that idiots, anti-Semites, and troglodytes see him as the White Knight who embodies their virtue system.

    Such as whom? C'mon, names, dude. Bring out your links.

    You’re a very bright guy, but rather dense when it comes to people and their motivations.

    ...writes the midwit who claimed Ashley Babbitt deserved killing.

    smh.

    , @JMcG
    @Paperback Writer

    The Soviets spent the first couple of years of the “Great Patriotic War” on the same side as Hitler. They were killing Poles, Finns, Letts, Estonians, Lithuanians, Rumanians, Ukrainians, for a good long time before Hitler turned on them.
    That’s some pretty patriotic s**t right there.

  139. @El Dato
    @Paperback Writer

    We need a "Agree/Disagree" button that says "This is retarded".

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Only retards say, “this is retarded.”

  140. @Mario Partisan
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I was waiting for the Fed report yesterday and watching the market, which took a little dip right at 2PM EST as this report came out.

    It really goes to show what a mess the money situation has become. First, the core of the press release was "no change" to the target range for the Fed Funds Rate and no lowering of the lower bound for bond purchases. All that changed was that the 2023 median FOMC member forecast for the FFR went up to...wait for it...0.6 percent!!! Oh yeah, they are getting really hawkish /s.

    To give some perspective, after the dot com bubble burst in 2001, the Fed pushed the FFR to what at the time was an historic low of about 1.25% to rescue/inflate the economy. Now, 0.6 pct is considered contractionary.

    As I have thought for a long time, I don't ever see the Fed really being able to normalize rates. There is simply too much debt and debt service simply becomes impossible if rates are allowed to rise to historically normal levels. The system would collapse under debt deflation. Given that, the Fed looks like it will simply have to "tolerate" rising inflation and gamble that the wheels don't come off the dollar-fueled Ponzi train.

    So as to not be fully off topic, I remember smelling a metallic odor in the air the night of the fire from some ways away. There are quite a few navy personnel in my area. I'll ask if anyone has heard anything.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    There is simply too much debt and debt service simply becomes impossible if rates are allowed to rise to historically normal levels.

    Exactly. If interest rates go to even 4%, servicing the federal debt of ~25 tri$$ion will cost at least a trillion dollars a year.

  141. @Jack D
    @Oscar Peterson


    At this juncture, we can’t speak of “false equivalencies” because it’s hard to know that truth about who did what and who generated a false flag to impugn whom.
     
    Only because Putin wants you to be confused. Here's a hint - it's (almost) NEVER a false flag.

    The Skripal and Navalny poisonings have been amply documented by many reputable sources. If you don't believe they were poisoned, you have really drunk the Putin Kool-Aid.

    I really don't understand the alt-right love for Putin. Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn't have great love for YOUR people - in fact he sees America as a rival and tries to damage it as much as he can get away with. I don't know why an American would love such a guy.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Clyde, @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Bill, @YetAnotherAnon, @nebulafox

    I have few illusions about Putin. I just don’t think he’s remotely near the biggest issue the US is facing right now, relative to the PRC or to our own domestic problems.

    (I don’t particularly hate him, either, though. Same deal with Xi or the mullahs. They aren’t my leaders, it’s not my job to like or dislike them. Their actions only interest me insofar as they impact the United States.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @nebulafox

    Fair enough but your position is not shared by everyone here. Mentioning Xi and the mullahs is interesting because very few here are fanboys of either while Putin is placed in another category. If people were being consistent they would love/hate/be indifferent to all of them equally.

    I agree that long term the Chinese are the bigger threat. They are playing the long game and trying to work under our radar. Putin on the other hand consciously chooses to make himself and Russia a thorn in our sides because this plays well at home and increases his power. Russia is no longer an actual superpower but he can get US Presidents to sit beside him as seeming equals. Being a pain in the ass is his superpower. Not unlike the North Korean strategy. Long term, things don't look good for the Russian economy - their main source of wealth is oil and gas at a time when the world is shifting against hydrocarbon fuels. Whereas the Chinese economy just goes from strength to strength.

    I disagree with the idea that what foreign leaders do with their own people is none of our business so long as it doesn't directly affect the US. Just calling something a "domestic matter" does not exempt it from our scrutiny. We have a vested interest in human rights being upheld everywhere. The kind of leaders who do evil to their own people don't respect the people of other nations either - it's two sides of the same coin.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @nebulafox

  142. The worker who set the USS Miami fire in 2012 confessed within two months.
    I have no experience with how these things work, but if the investigation into the sailor’s conduct was started in August and they haven’t pinned it on him/her or gotten a confession, I doubt there was enough evidence to charge. Barring some drunken boast in the next few months/years, it’s likely we will never know for certain what started the fire.
    BLM scratching our first flattop since 1944 is so 2020, it can’t be dismissed.

  143. @Jack D
    @Bill

    Hopefully you're just being a wise ass and aren't really a low information voter.

    The wikis have plenty of links if you care to go deeper, but the articles themselves are a decent summary of what is known to a high degree of certainty, except by those who really don't want to know the truth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexei_Navalny

    Replies: @El Dato, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bill

    You must have been really upset with George W. Bush’s body count from his Iraq war.

  144. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    I have few illusions about Putin. I just don't think he's remotely near the biggest issue the US is facing right now, relative to the PRC or to our own domestic problems.

    (I don't particularly hate him, either, though. Same deal with Xi or the mullahs. They aren't my leaders, it's not my job to like or dislike them. Their actions only interest me insofar as they impact the United States.)

    Replies: @Jack D

    Fair enough but your position is not shared by everyone here. Mentioning Xi and the mullahs is interesting because very few here are fanboys of either while Putin is placed in another category. If people were being consistent they would love/hate/be indifferent to all of them equally.

    I agree that long term the Chinese are the bigger threat. They are playing the long game and trying to work under our radar. Putin on the other hand consciously chooses to make himself and Russia a thorn in our sides because this plays well at home and increases his power. Russia is no longer an actual superpower but he can get US Presidents to sit beside him as seeming equals. Being a pain in the ass is his superpower. Not unlike the North Korean strategy. Long term, things don’t look good for the Russian economy – their main source of wealth is oil and gas at a time when the world is shifting against hydrocarbon fuels. Whereas the Chinese economy just goes from strength to strength.

    I disagree with the idea that what foreign leaders do with their own people is none of our business so long as it doesn’t directly affect the US. Just calling something a “domestic matter” does not exempt it from our scrutiny. We have a vested interest in human rights being upheld everywhere. The kind of leaders who do evil to their own people don’t respect the people of other nations either – it’s two sides of the same coin.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    If people were being consistent they would love/hate/be indifferent to all of them equally.

     

    I've already responded to you elsewhere in a comment that hasn't yet been modified, so let me amplify it here: the alt-right trogs love Putin because he's a supporter of Russian Orthodoxy, and Russian Orthodoxy is viewed by them as the ur-(((Tribe))) Oppo Front. So even if he's not personally anti-Semitic, but he's adjacent, and that's good enough.

    I agree that long term the Chinese are the bigger threat.
     
    I almost have to laugh.

    Does anybody here realize that they are already the biggest power on earth?


    to work under our radar.
     
    The Belt and Road Initiative is under our radar?

    This bitch-slapping is under our radar?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/19/us-china-talks-alaska-biden-blinken-sullivan-wang


    Putin on the other hand consciously chooses to make himself and Russia a thorn in our sides
     
    I'm not a Putin fan, so don't interpret this as a defense, but give me one example where he does this, only to be a thorn in America's side?

    We have a vested interest in human rights being upheld everywhere. The kind of leaders who do evil to their own people don’t respect the people of other nations either – it’s two sides of the same coin.
     
    I guess people from other countries could say the same about us.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    I'm aware. The alt-right perception of Putin is a weird mirror of the leftist perception of him, to tell the truth. Both give the man too much credit. The mundane reality is that he's a Russian politician that operates on the Russian political spectrum and largely acts based on his own domestic political calculus, like any other head of state. Asserting that he's some defender of the white race as Americans would understand it, whether you think that's positive or negative, is not just not right, but not even wrong in the Wolfgang Pauli sense. He's Russian. Not American. His history, his sense of nationality, his ideology are not going to map over neatly to an American politician's.

    >I disagree with the idea that what foreign leaders do with their own people is none of our business so long as it doesn’t directly affect the US.

    Well, I think the best way the United States can serve the cause of global human rights is to become an awesome country that everybody wants to emulate again, and let human nature massage the odds from there. Especially in the age of YouTube, this is something that can make or break you as a power. Beijing's main weakness is still soft power, as their counterproductive attempts to manipulate woke-ism show, so that's the card to start playing before they get decades of practice.

    Of course, doing this would require focusing on the American ruling class and their cronies that have mismanaged the country for decades. All Usual Suspects can be relied upon to try to prevent that, so I'm not optimistic. But there's also a more subtle obstacle. Doing so would require the American people to cop to the painful fact that they let this happen, to some degree. Blaming foreign governments for taking advantage of your weaknesses, by contrast, is cathartic, but the practical equivalent of blaming your dog for going after that juicy steak you left on the floor.

    Replies: @Bill, @vhrm

  145. @Oscar Peterson
    @Buffalo Joe

    It's incredible.

    LCS, the Gerald Ford's catapult and elevators, the KC-46 tanker, Army's Future Combat System, the endless funding of high-tech aircraft like the B-2 and F-22 whose production lines are halted early because of cost. And then we go on to the next hugely expensive airframes--F-35 and B-21 with the Next Generation fighter already in the wings.

    We spend ungodly amounts of money on futile interventions and regime change wars and fall behind on key emerging technologies--hypersonics, air and missile defense for example.

    My God, we're screwed up.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    That’s not to mention most of the DoD budget gets gobbled up by the extravagant pay and benefits we pay our “heroes”.

    It wouldn’t be so galling if these folks were defending the southern border from a peasant invasion, or sinking an enemy invasion force. But all they do is fiddle-fart around in Mali and Trashcanistan, finish the tour to come back home for diversity seminars and gay-pride symposiums.

    You are right, Oscar: We are screwed-up

  146. @Old Prude
    @Altai

    “Stealth ship”. What moron thought that was a good idea? A fat slow hunk of metal paddling around in the ocean. Who doesn’t see that? Maybe Admiral “Diversity is our Strength” was referring to some Romulans in the ranks?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    “Stealth ship”. What moron thought that was a good idea? A fat slow hunk of metal paddling around in the ocean.

    They probably just watched Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) too many times:

    Johnathan Pryce really seems to be having fun chewing the scenery as the main baddie, media mogul Elliott Carver.

  147. @Clyde
    @Buffalo Joe

    Kamala Harris is a mid-IQ space cadet. She got this high because she has lots of drive and lots of ambition, none too much smarts and IQ. Just ask Willie Brown. She was a vicious prosecutor in California as their Attorney General. She went on personal vendettas against those she hated. In this ultra-lib state she was out of control. The epitome of the worst kind of female hack politician.

    When it comes to intelligent policy she is a zero. Foreign policy-Zero. Economics-Zero. She is not too bright. Look out below if she gets to the Presidency. If senile Joe fills a full term, w Dr. Jill as his seeing guide dog. Then horizontal Harris will be positioned to get the Dems nomination for President. Senile Joe said he would serve one term.

    Repeating - Don't confuse her successful drive and ambition with intelligence and morality. She has the worst intentions powered by female emotions that rule her. No children, no offspring, never birthed, makes her triple dangerous. This gives her a subconscious, free floating resentment. Makes her push for chaos and anarchy. That she will act out on America.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    She got this high because she has lots of drive and lots of ambition, none too much smarts and IQ.

    Worked for the Bushes and Windsors

  148. @Jack D
    @nebulafox

    Fair enough but your position is not shared by everyone here. Mentioning Xi and the mullahs is interesting because very few here are fanboys of either while Putin is placed in another category. If people were being consistent they would love/hate/be indifferent to all of them equally.

    I agree that long term the Chinese are the bigger threat. They are playing the long game and trying to work under our radar. Putin on the other hand consciously chooses to make himself and Russia a thorn in our sides because this plays well at home and increases his power. Russia is no longer an actual superpower but he can get US Presidents to sit beside him as seeming equals. Being a pain in the ass is his superpower. Not unlike the North Korean strategy. Long term, things don't look good for the Russian economy - their main source of wealth is oil and gas at a time when the world is shifting against hydrocarbon fuels. Whereas the Chinese economy just goes from strength to strength.

    I disagree with the idea that what foreign leaders do with their own people is none of our business so long as it doesn't directly affect the US. Just calling something a "domestic matter" does not exempt it from our scrutiny. We have a vested interest in human rights being upheld everywhere. The kind of leaders who do evil to their own people don't respect the people of other nations either - it's two sides of the same coin.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @nebulafox

    If people were being consistent they would love/hate/be indifferent to all of them equally.

    I’ve already responded to you elsewhere in a comment that hasn’t yet been modified, so let me amplify it here: the alt-right trogs love Putin because he’s a supporter of Russian Orthodoxy, and Russian Orthodoxy is viewed by them as the ur-(((Tribe))) Oppo Front. So even if he’s not personally anti-Semitic, but he’s adjacent, and that’s good enough.

    I agree that long term the Chinese are the bigger threat.

    I almost have to laugh.

    Does anybody here realize that they are already the biggest power on earth?

    to work under our radar.

    The Belt and Road Initiative is under our radar?

    This bitch-slapping is under our radar?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/19/us-china-talks-alaska-biden-blinken-sullivan-wang

    Putin on the other hand consciously chooses to make himself and Russia a thorn in our sides

    I’m not a Putin fan, so don’t interpret this as a defense, but give me one example where he does this, only to be a thorn in America’s side?

    We have a vested interest in human rights being upheld everywhere. The kind of leaders who do evil to their own people don’t respect the people of other nations either – it’s two sides of the same coin.

    I guess people from other countries could say the same about us.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Paperback Writer

    >Does anybody here realize that they are already the biggest power on earth?

    The funny thing is, I really think it is lost on a lot of people in DC how powerful the Chinese have become. I genuinely do. China has problems, but none of them mean that the clock is going to be reversed any time soon.

    But then, it's also lost on them how structurally weak the United States has become. That, or they don't care, because they profit from it.

    As for Putin: recognizing that the current sour state of relations probably wouldn't have happened but for Obama-era ideological fixations and that US policy toward Russia in the 90s was terrible, doesn't require being a Putin fanboy a absolving him of all the blame for that, or being under illusions about what he is, has been, and always will be: a Russian secret policeman. Not a nice guy. But also not someone who innately cannot be dealt with, least of all because he's a Mean Old Christian White Guy.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  149. @Jack D
    @nebulafox

    Fair enough but your position is not shared by everyone here. Mentioning Xi and the mullahs is interesting because very few here are fanboys of either while Putin is placed in another category. If people were being consistent they would love/hate/be indifferent to all of them equally.

    I agree that long term the Chinese are the bigger threat. They are playing the long game and trying to work under our radar. Putin on the other hand consciously chooses to make himself and Russia a thorn in our sides because this plays well at home and increases his power. Russia is no longer an actual superpower but he can get US Presidents to sit beside him as seeming equals. Being a pain in the ass is his superpower. Not unlike the North Korean strategy. Long term, things don't look good for the Russian economy - their main source of wealth is oil and gas at a time when the world is shifting against hydrocarbon fuels. Whereas the Chinese economy just goes from strength to strength.

    I disagree with the idea that what foreign leaders do with their own people is none of our business so long as it doesn't directly affect the US. Just calling something a "domestic matter" does not exempt it from our scrutiny. We have a vested interest in human rights being upheld everywhere. The kind of leaders who do evil to their own people don't respect the people of other nations either - it's two sides of the same coin.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @nebulafox

    I’m aware. The alt-right perception of Putin is a weird mirror of the leftist perception of him, to tell the truth. Both give the man too much credit. The mundane reality is that he’s a Russian politician that operates on the Russian political spectrum and largely acts based on his own domestic political calculus, like any other head of state. Asserting that he’s some defender of the white race as Americans would understand it, whether you think that’s positive or negative, is not just not right, but not even wrong in the Wolfgang Pauli sense. He’s Russian. Not American. His history, his sense of nationality, his ideology are not going to map over neatly to an American politician’s.

    >I disagree with the idea that what foreign leaders do with their own people is none of our business so long as it doesn’t directly affect the US.

    Well, I think the best way the United States can serve the cause of global human rights is to become an awesome country that everybody wants to emulate again, and let human nature massage the odds from there. Especially in the age of YouTube, this is something that can make or break you as a power. Beijing’s main weakness is still soft power, as their counterproductive attempts to manipulate woke-ism show, so that’s the card to start playing before they get decades of practice.

    Of course, doing this would require focusing on the American ruling class and their cronies that have mismanaged the country for decades. All Usual Suspects can be relied upon to try to prevent that, so I’m not optimistic. But there’s also a more subtle obstacle. Doing so would require the American people to cop to the painful fact that they let this happen, to some degree. Blaming foreign governments for taking advantage of your weaknesses, by contrast, is cathartic, but the practical equivalent of blaming your dog for going after that juicy steak you left on the floor.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Bill
    @nebulafox


    Asserting that he’s some defender of the white race as Americans would understand it, whether you think that’s positive or negative, is not just not right, but not even wrong in the Wolfgang Pauli sense.
     
    Can you give a brief list of people I might have heard of who claim the Putin is a defender of the white race? Are we talking about twitter trolls here or what?
    , @vhrm
    @nebulafox

    A thing that i like about Putin, and some other foreign leaders, like Macron (who i don't care either way about policy wise), is that they seem to express more complex thoughts when they speak and if they BS (which i'm sure they do) they somehow do it "better". Like in a more nuanced and seemingly responsive way.

    Many American politicians by comparison tend to sound like NFL / NBA / Sumo post game interviews all the time. Which basically means stick to some script of generalities no matter what the subject at hand except when to deliver some one sided talking points. Throw something in there about "the American people" and call it a day.

  150. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    If people were being consistent they would love/hate/be indifferent to all of them equally.

     

    I've already responded to you elsewhere in a comment that hasn't yet been modified, so let me amplify it here: the alt-right trogs love Putin because he's a supporter of Russian Orthodoxy, and Russian Orthodoxy is viewed by them as the ur-(((Tribe))) Oppo Front. So even if he's not personally anti-Semitic, but he's adjacent, and that's good enough.

    I agree that long term the Chinese are the bigger threat.
     
    I almost have to laugh.

    Does anybody here realize that they are already the biggest power on earth?


    to work under our radar.
     
    The Belt and Road Initiative is under our radar?

    This bitch-slapping is under our radar?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/19/us-china-talks-alaska-biden-blinken-sullivan-wang


    Putin on the other hand consciously chooses to make himself and Russia a thorn in our sides
     
    I'm not a Putin fan, so don't interpret this as a defense, but give me one example where he does this, only to be a thorn in America's side?

    We have a vested interest in human rights being upheld everywhere. The kind of leaders who do evil to their own people don’t respect the people of other nations either – it’s two sides of the same coin.
     
    I guess people from other countries could say the same about us.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >Does anybody here realize that they are already the biggest power on earth?

    The funny thing is, I really think it is lost on a lot of people in DC how powerful the Chinese have become. I genuinely do. China has problems, but none of them mean that the clock is going to be reversed any time soon.

    But then, it’s also lost on them how structurally weak the United States has become. That, or they don’t care, because they profit from it.

    As for Putin: recognizing that the current sour state of relations probably wouldn’t have happened but for Obama-era ideological fixations and that US policy toward Russia in the 90s was terrible, doesn’t require being a Putin fanboy a absolving him of all the blame for that, or being under illusions about what he is, has been, and always will be: a Russian secret policeman. Not a nice guy. But also not someone who innately cannot be dealt with, least of all because he’s a Mean Old Christian White Guy.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @nebulafox


    The funny thing is, I really think it is lost on a lot of people in DC how powerful the Chinese have become. I genuinely do. China has problems, but none of them mean that the clock is going to be reversed any time soon.
     
    I don't think it's lost on the people in DC except for the stupider members of Congress. I think the Deep state knows. I think that they are doing their damnedest to keep that reality from becoming known to the general public.

    It will take some time before Americans realize how badly we've slipped. Usually it takes a catastrophic military defeat to pound in the reality. I'm wondering when that will happen.

    In fact, I sometimes think that all the Russia-baiting is smoke and mirrors to cover up the fact that we're no longer #1.

  151. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    "Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn’t have great love for YOUR people"

    The trouble is American/Brit/Euro leaders don't have love for THEIR people either. I can appreciate leaders like Putin and Netanyahu who unashamedly care about their people.

    I can even appreciate you having love for your people, I just need to factor that in to anything and everything you write, which is why we will often disagree.

    "gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people"

    I wouldn't start on that topic if I were you *changes channels from multiracial couple advert over to brilliant black computer scientist over to hard-as-nails lady cop running rings round her pale male colleagues over to multiracial couple advert*

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Corvinus

    I think it has gotten to the point where a lot of people find Euro-American BlueCheck elites so over-the-top disgusting and obnoxious that they’ll admire or at least respect anybody who thumbs their nose at them, especially people who they visibly hate due to racial/ideological reasons like Putin.

    Let’s do a thought experiment. Xi’s contempt for America’s bien-pensant elites is something he’s not bothering to hide anymore, much like Putin from my understanding, and while perhaps the commentariat here wouldn’t openly admire him like Putin if he openly mocks, say, a Kamala Harris pronouncement on “intersectionality”, they also probably wouldn’t be too upset at him, either. Grudging respect might be the result, maybe?

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  152. @nebulafox
    @Paperback Writer

    >Does anybody here realize that they are already the biggest power on earth?

    The funny thing is, I really think it is lost on a lot of people in DC how powerful the Chinese have become. I genuinely do. China has problems, but none of them mean that the clock is going to be reversed any time soon.

    But then, it's also lost on them how structurally weak the United States has become. That, or they don't care, because they profit from it.

    As for Putin: recognizing that the current sour state of relations probably wouldn't have happened but for Obama-era ideological fixations and that US policy toward Russia in the 90s was terrible, doesn't require being a Putin fanboy a absolving him of all the blame for that, or being under illusions about what he is, has been, and always will be: a Russian secret policeman. Not a nice guy. But also not someone who innately cannot be dealt with, least of all because he's a Mean Old Christian White Guy.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    The funny thing is, I really think it is lost on a lot of people in DC how powerful the Chinese have become. I genuinely do. China has problems, but none of them mean that the clock is going to be reversed any time soon.

    I don’t think it’s lost on the people in DC except for the stupider members of Congress. I think the Deep state knows. I think that they are doing their damnedest to keep that reality from becoming known to the general public.

    It will take some time before Americans realize how badly we’ve slipped. Usually it takes a catastrophic military defeat to pound in the reality. I’m wondering when that will happen.

    In fact, I sometimes think that all the Russia-baiting is smoke and mirrors to cover up the fact that we’re no longer #1.

  153. @Jack D
    @Bill

    Hopefully you're just being a wise ass and aren't really a low information voter.

    The wikis have plenty of links if you care to go deeper, but the articles themselves are a decent summary of what is known to a high degree of certainty, except by those who really don't want to know the truth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexei_Navalny

    Replies: @El Dato, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bill

    Everybody is a low information voter. One of the reasons democracy is stupid is that it is impossible to be sufficiently informed.

    I was hoping for something equivalent to the Mueller report on alleged Russian interference in the election. I don’t see anything like that linked (do tell me if I missed it). The closest seems to be a very brief summary of an OPCW report saying that something (presumably Novichok, but it doesn’t say that) was found in the Skirpal’s blood and elsewhere. The claim that the Russians did it seem to be nearly naked conclusory assertion by the UK.

    The Navalny case is almost identical, though the locution there does seem to say it was Novichok without using that word.

    In the Skirpal case, the relevant authorities bizarrely failed to provide Russia, whose citizens were allegedly poisoned, samples and access to its citizens. I can’t tell from what I’ve read whether evidence was similarly denied to Russia in the Navalny case.

    I don’t see why I should conclude from this that Russia poisoned them. It seems reasonable to conclude that they were poisoned (assuming, as I do, that the OPCW is less corrupt than the FBI crime lab).

  154. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    I'm aware. The alt-right perception of Putin is a weird mirror of the leftist perception of him, to tell the truth. Both give the man too much credit. The mundane reality is that he's a Russian politician that operates on the Russian political spectrum and largely acts based on his own domestic political calculus, like any other head of state. Asserting that he's some defender of the white race as Americans would understand it, whether you think that's positive or negative, is not just not right, but not even wrong in the Wolfgang Pauli sense. He's Russian. Not American. His history, his sense of nationality, his ideology are not going to map over neatly to an American politician's.

    >I disagree with the idea that what foreign leaders do with their own people is none of our business so long as it doesn’t directly affect the US.

    Well, I think the best way the United States can serve the cause of global human rights is to become an awesome country that everybody wants to emulate again, and let human nature massage the odds from there. Especially in the age of YouTube, this is something that can make or break you as a power. Beijing's main weakness is still soft power, as their counterproductive attempts to manipulate woke-ism show, so that's the card to start playing before they get decades of practice.

    Of course, doing this would require focusing on the American ruling class and their cronies that have mismanaged the country for decades. All Usual Suspects can be relied upon to try to prevent that, so I'm not optimistic. But there's also a more subtle obstacle. Doing so would require the American people to cop to the painful fact that they let this happen, to some degree. Blaming foreign governments for taking advantage of your weaknesses, by contrast, is cathartic, but the practical equivalent of blaming your dog for going after that juicy steak you left on the floor.

    Replies: @Bill, @vhrm

    Asserting that he’s some defender of the white race as Americans would understand it, whether you think that’s positive or negative, is not just not right, but not even wrong in the Wolfgang Pauli sense.

    Can you give a brief list of people I might have heard of who claim the Putin is a defender of the white race? Are we talking about twitter trolls here or what?

  155. anon[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    Jack, please.... I know that Putin himself is no anti-Semite. I'm saying that idiots, anti-Semites, and troglodytes see him as the White Knight who embodies their virtue system. It doesn't matter that most of them are pro-Nazi, pro-Hitler, and that Russia suffered grievously in The Great Patriotic War, and if any of them were to reveal their fondness for the Axis side to a group of Russians in a bar, they'd never walk out with their teeth (if they have any to begin with).

    You're a very bright guy, but rather dense when it comes to people and their motivations.

    Replies: @anon, @JMcG

    . I’m saying that idiots, anti-Semites, and troglodytes see him as the White Knight who embodies their virtue system.

    Such as whom? C’mon, names, dude. Bring out your links.

    You’re a very bright guy, but rather dense when it comes to people and their motivations.

    …writes the midwit who claimed Ashley Babbitt deserved killing.

    smh.

  156. @mmack
    Steve,

    I wonder if this will end up being like the loss of the USS Lafayette/ SS Normandie due to fire while in dock and being converted to a troopship.

    https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2014/09/the-sinking-of-the-s-s-normandie-at-nycs-pier-88/

    The “official” explanation was a fire started when sparks from a welding torch started a stack of life vests on fire, but rumors of lax security and sabotage (it happened in February 1942, after the US joined WW2 as a combatant) still persist to this day.

    Then again, the conversion of the Normandie sounded like a very rushed, slipshod affair, so there’s another possibility between the fate of the two ships.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Alden, @prosa123

    The “official” explanation was a fire started when sparks from a welding torch started a stack of life vests on fire, but rumors of lax security and sabotage (it happened in February 1942, after the US joined WW2 as a combatant) still persist to this day.
    Then again, the conversion of the Normandie sounded like a very rushed, slipshod affair, so there’s another possibility between the fate of the two ships.

    It almost certainly was a welding torch that caused the fire on the Normandie. The investigators, the Coast Guard I would imagine, were skeptical of the welder’s story, so to test it out they conducted one of the first-ever accident reconstruction experiments. They had another welder use a similar torch the same distance from a similarly sized pile of the same type of life jackets. To what I’m sure was the immense relief of the original welder , better to be negligent that to be charged with sabotage, the life jackets burst into flame.

    Using a welding torch so close to flammable items was a major safety mistake, but the investigators also established that under the hurried wartime conditions safety rules often fell by the wayside.

    Even after the fire started the ship could have been saved with little damage if it weren’t for an unfortunate situation. When firefighters arrived on the scene they attempted to connect their engine hoses with the ship’s standpipe system, which would have allowed an attack on the still-small fire using the ship’s hoses. Unfortunately the FDNY’s hose fittings were incompatible with the standpipe system’s French fittings. As the fire engine hoses couldn’t reach far enough into the ship to be of any use, and the ship’s own pumping system had been disconnected at the start of the conversion project, the only way to fight the fire was with fireboats. This method was far inferior to direct hose attacks, greatly increasing the damage the fire was able to cause, and flooded the hull with so much water that the Normandie capsized after about 12 hours.

    As the fire was raging, one of the marine architects who had designed the ship a decade earlier arrived on the scene and tried to make a suggestion to the fire commanders, that they open valves and let the ship sink partway to the bottom while remaining upright. Doing so would have extinguished the fire while hopefully limiting damage enough that the ship could later be refloated and repaired. Unfortunately, no one listened to the marine architect.

    One persistent rumor was that Mayor LaGuardia narrowly escaped death when the ship capsized mere seconds before he stepped onboard to inspect the damage. In reality, the ship capsized around 2:45am, a couple of hours before LaGuardia was scheduled to arrive.

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
    @prosa123

    Arson investigations are hard. It is hard to determine if the act is arson, negligence, or an unavoidable accident.

  157. Eagle Eye says:
    @Richard York
    The Bonhomme Richard Burning may not be connected to the Racial Reckoning. Some of us older hands will remember the Bonfire of the USS Miami way back in May 2012:

    https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2015/06/13/damaged-sub-miami-leaves-shipyard-to-be-scrapped/#:~:text=The%20May%202012%20fire%2C%20which,a%2017%2Dyear%20prison%20sentence.

    The ship had to be scrapped after a disgruntled worker set a small electrical fire to trigger the fire alarms so he could leave early. Of course the fire got out of control and the ship turned into a candle. Maybe some sailor on the Bonhomme Richard wanted to do the same?

    Incidentally the original Bonhomme Richard of John Paul Jones fame also went to the bottom after getting lit on fire by the British cruiser Serapis in a naval battle off the coast of France.

    By the way, the unmentioned subtext of both of these stories is the declining competence/loyalty of our country's working classes and the declining capacity of its shipbuilding/industrial economic sector. I can't imagine anyone in WWII thinking to burn down any of our warships just to go home early. It seems to be a pretty recent phenomenon. Not a good sign for the future of the United States.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Eagle Eye

    The ship had to be scrapped after a disgruntled worker set a small electrical fire to trigger the fire alarms so he could leave early. Of course the fire got out of control and the ship turned into a candle. Maybe some sailor on the Bonhomme Richard wanted to do the same?

    If a small or medium fire can “get out of control” and destroy an entire vessel, we owe a huge debt of gratitude to the errant sailors for ridding us of these floating coffins in peacetime in a reasonably controlled fashion.

    Only certifiable paranoiacs would suspect that we are looking at organized arson to “clear the deck” for another multi-billion dollar procurement project.

  158. res says:
    @Blinky Bill

    Whatever Happened to the USS Bonhomme Richard?
     
    Same thing that happened to:

    https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/gctscores_watermark.jpg

    What is it today? I shudder to think!


    Sub 120 is the likely answer to both questions.

    Replies: @res

    What is it today?

    Good question. Anybody know? (final answer below, who knows? they changed the test in 2020)

    One thing is clear. They are not reacting to that with a determination to do better. From 2019.
    https://www.dvidshub.net/news/324685/help-make-marine-officer-mos-assignments-better

    Recent analysis of the GCT determined more and more officers would not match the requirements WWII era officers had met, but that does not necessarily mean that current officers are inferior leaders when compared to their predecessors. The Operations Research Analyst Team with Manpower and Reserve Affairs (M&RA) determined that the GCT gives little insight on how capable current Marine officers really are.

    “Unfortunately, the GCT is outdated and we do not use its results for anything other than a pseudo indication of intelligence,” said Dr. Michael R. Strobl, Deputy Director, Manpower Plans and Policies. “We don’t use it for [Military Occupational Specialties] selection, promotion, billet assignments, or talent management at large.”

    Contrast that with this 2015 Brookings article (also has numerical results with SDs).
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2015/07/24/understanding-the-steady-and-troubling-decline-in-the-average-intelligence-of-marine-corps-officers/

    The GCT dates back to World War II, when it was developed to help classify incoming servicemen. Designed to have a mean score of 100, with a standard deviation of 20, 120 was used as the bar for entry into Marine Officer Candidate School (OCS).

    After World War II, the military replaced the GCT with the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB). The Marine Corps, however, still administers the GCT to officers at The Basic School (TBS) because it strongly predicts their success there.

    Also see this PDF.
    https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/Documents/jfq/jfq-81/jfq-81_54-61_Cancian.pdf

    Looks like they ditched the GCT in January 2020. Now that’s how you deal with poor performance!
    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/01/31/marines-ditch-wwii-era-test-officer-assignments.html

    • Thanks: vhrm, Blinky Bill
  159. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    Jack, please.... I know that Putin himself is no anti-Semite. I'm saying that idiots, anti-Semites, and troglodytes see him as the White Knight who embodies their virtue system. It doesn't matter that most of them are pro-Nazi, pro-Hitler, and that Russia suffered grievously in The Great Patriotic War, and if any of them were to reveal their fondness for the Axis side to a group of Russians in a bar, they'd never walk out with their teeth (if they have any to begin with).

    You're a very bright guy, but rather dense when it comes to people and their motivations.

    Replies: @anon, @JMcG

    The Soviets spent the first couple of years of the “Great Patriotic War” on the same side as Hitler. They were killing Poles, Finns, Letts, Estonians, Lithuanians, Rumanians, Ukrainians, for a good long time before Hitler turned on them.
    That’s some pretty patriotic s**t right there.

  160. @El Dato
    @Jack D

    Why do you link to official propaganda made up as a wall of text citing "sources"? "Vladimir Uglyov" and "Bellingcat", really.

    Nothing in the "Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal" makes any sense except as something that Sergei was involved in that went wrong and was later retconned and greatly amplified as a "Russian hit".

    Replies: @vhrm

    Nothing in the “Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal” makes any sense except as something that Sergei was involved in that went wrong and was later retconned and greatly amplified as a “Russian hit”.

    Putin flexing on expats and potential defectors probably makes more sense.

  161. @prosa123
    @mmack

    The “official” explanation was a fire started when sparks from a welding torch started a stack of life vests on fire, but rumors of lax security and sabotage (it happened in February 1942, after the US joined WW2 as a combatant) still persist to this day.
    Then again, the conversion of the Normandie sounded like a very rushed, slipshod affair, so there’s another possibility between the fate of the two ships.


    It almost certainly was a welding torch that caused the fire on the Normandie. The investigators, the Coast Guard I would imagine, were skeptical of the welder's story, so to test it out they conducted one of the first-ever accident reconstruction experiments. They had another welder use a similar torch the same distance from a similarly sized pile of the same type of life jackets. To what I'm sure was the immense relief of the original welder , better to be negligent that to be charged with sabotage, the life jackets burst into flame.

    Using a welding torch so close to flammable items was a major safety mistake, but the investigators also established that under the hurried wartime conditions safety rules often fell by the wayside.

    Even after the fire started the ship could have been saved with little damage if it weren't for an unfortunate situation. When firefighters arrived on the scene they attempted to connect their engine hoses with the ship's standpipe system, which would have allowed an attack on the still-small fire using the ship's hoses. Unfortunately the FDNY's hose fittings were incompatible with the standpipe system's French fittings. As the fire engine hoses couldn't reach far enough into the ship to be of any use, and the ship's own pumping system had been disconnected at the start of the conversion project, the only way to fight the fire was with fireboats. This method was far inferior to direct hose attacks, greatly increasing the damage the fire was able to cause, and flooded the hull with so much water that the Normandie capsized after about 12 hours.

    As the fire was raging, one of the marine architects who had designed the ship a decade earlier arrived on the scene and tried to make a suggestion to the fire commanders, that they open valves and let the ship sink partway to the bottom while remaining upright. Doing so would have extinguished the fire while hopefully limiting damage enough that the ship could later be refloated and repaired. Unfortunately, no one listened to the marine architect.

    One persistent rumor was that Mayor LaGuardia narrowly escaped death when the ship capsized mere seconds before he stepped onboard to inspect the damage. In reality, the ship capsized around 2:45am, a couple of hours before LaGuardia was scheduled to arrive.

    Replies: @flyingtiger

    Arson investigations are hard. It is hard to determine if the act is arson, negligence, or an unavoidable accident.

  162. @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    I'm aware. The alt-right perception of Putin is a weird mirror of the leftist perception of him, to tell the truth. Both give the man too much credit. The mundane reality is that he's a Russian politician that operates on the Russian political spectrum and largely acts based on his own domestic political calculus, like any other head of state. Asserting that he's some defender of the white race as Americans would understand it, whether you think that's positive or negative, is not just not right, but not even wrong in the Wolfgang Pauli sense. He's Russian. Not American. His history, his sense of nationality, his ideology are not going to map over neatly to an American politician's.

    >I disagree with the idea that what foreign leaders do with their own people is none of our business so long as it doesn’t directly affect the US.

    Well, I think the best way the United States can serve the cause of global human rights is to become an awesome country that everybody wants to emulate again, and let human nature massage the odds from there. Especially in the age of YouTube, this is something that can make or break you as a power. Beijing's main weakness is still soft power, as their counterproductive attempts to manipulate woke-ism show, so that's the card to start playing before they get decades of practice.

    Of course, doing this would require focusing on the American ruling class and their cronies that have mismanaged the country for decades. All Usual Suspects can be relied upon to try to prevent that, so I'm not optimistic. But there's also a more subtle obstacle. Doing so would require the American people to cop to the painful fact that they let this happen, to some degree. Blaming foreign governments for taking advantage of your weaknesses, by contrast, is cathartic, but the practical equivalent of blaming your dog for going after that juicy steak you left on the floor.

    Replies: @Bill, @vhrm

    A thing that i like about Putin, and some other foreign leaders, like Macron (who i don’t care either way about policy wise), is that they seem to express more complex thoughts when they speak and if they BS (which i’m sure they do) they somehow do it “better”. Like in a more nuanced and seemingly responsive way.

    Many American politicians by comparison tend to sound like NFL / NBA / Sumo post game interviews all the time. Which basically means stick to some script of generalities no matter what the subject at hand except when to deliver some one sided talking points. Throw something in there about “the American people” and call it a day.

  163. @ginger bread man
    OT: When it comes in the issue Israelis and Palestinians, I find myself Siding with the Palestinians because of the gross in humanity of the Israeli military. Steve, you brilliantly showed how the main stream narrative on BLM is at best a gross misrepresentation of the facts, and at worst a complete fabrication. is the same thing true with the Palestinians? Is the main stream media pulling another fast one? I would really like to know because I seem to almost instinctively side with the Palestinians, but I would like to hear your take on things because you are more well read on this topic than I am probably

    Replies: @J.Ross, @James Speaks, @james wilson

    Is it impossible to imagine that both parties are repugnant? Why would one feel the need to favor one over another? It fills some human need to pick sides in a fight.
    Palestinians were once a better people. They have not distinquished themselves in this. It seems unlikely they will recover as a people.
    As for Israel, it is important that Americans become entirely disintralled with the subject.

  164. @Clyde
    @Jack D

    Putin banned gay demos. This is why Europe hates him and the left here too. Vlad has too much testosterone for these degenerates. Macho Trump and macho Putin were going to get along great, and in a beneficial cooperative way, but the Dems sabotaged all this. Starting with their Russia hoax.

    Think-- Putin is the strongest white leader in the world. This is why the European feminazi politicians and their male orbiter politicians are anti-Russia and anti-Putin. Just look at the feminist who rules the EU/ European Commission these days. *Ursula von der Leyen* These Angela Merkle duplicates run the show in most of Europe. The Scandi-Germanic portions of it.

    Replies: @Yngvar

    Ms. von der Leyen have pushed out seven kids. At least she has the skin-game right.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Yngvar


    Ms. von der Leyen have pushed out seven kids. At least she has the skin-game right.
     
    I read that a while ago in Wikipedia. I was quite surprised. Let us say that Ms. von der Leyen has certainly done her duty to perpetuate the white race.
  165. @notbe
    @Jack D

    you are either retarded or a total idiot...seriously is a normal person capable of writing what you just wrote

    Replies: @Anne Lid

    Jack D is a Jew who could not free himself from the tribal thinking. Russians who first and foremost love Russia are nefarious for some obscure reason.

  166. @Icy Blast
    @Altai

    Wow! Even Norway and Sweden had problems! What a crazy world, right? Good thing we're so far ahead of every other country, right?

    Replies: @Altai

    Norway and Sweden don’t have the insatiable logic of a peace time industrial military complex have more limited budgets and have very good management of all state projects and budgets.

    Norway is the only country in the world to find large reserves of oil and not immediately squander the finite resource for short-term gain like tax cuts but put the money into a long-term investment fund.

  167. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Putin has very little to do with anti-Semitism. He is a horrible human with blood on his hands but (unusually for a KGB man) he doesn't seem to particularly hate Jews. His martial arts instructor, whom he regarded as a sort of 2nd father, was Jewish as are a number of people in his inner circle.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    Russian support for Iran is problematic, especially the supply of nuclear technology to that country. Jews are right to be unhappy about this.

  168. @Yngvar
    @Clyde

    Ms. von der Leyen have pushed out seven kids. At least she has the skin-game right.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Ms. von der Leyen have pushed out seven kids. At least she has the skin-game right.

    I read that a while ago in Wikipedia. I was quite surprised. Let us say that Ms. von der Leyen has certainly done her duty to perpetuate the white race.

  169. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    "Even if he is a leader with genuine great love for his people (and not just a man with great love for himself and his gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people), he doesn’t have great love for YOUR people"

    The trouble is American/Brit/Euro leaders don't have love for THEIR people either. I can appreciate leaders like Putin and Netanyahu who unashamedly care about their people.

    I can even appreciate you having love for your people, I just need to factor that in to anything and everything you write, which is why we will often disagree.

    "gang of crooks who knows how to manipulate his people"

    I wouldn't start on that topic if I were you *changes channels from multiracial couple advert over to brilliant black computer scientist over to hard-as-nails lady cop running rings round her pale male colleagues over to multiracial couple advert*

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Corvinus

    “The trouble is American/Brit/Euro leaders don’t have love for THEIR people either.”

    The reality is that they do love their people, it’s just that the policies they promote are not well-liked by some of their people.

    “I can appreciate leaders like Putin and Netanyahu who unashamedly care about their people.”

    Putin is a Russian Deep Stater who poisons his opponents, and Netanyahu is a Jew grifter.

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