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At Marginal Revolution, Tyler Cowen inquires:

Asking for a friend

by Tyler Cowen November 15, 2020 at 3:25 pm in Current Affairs Political Science

What is the current take on foreign interference in the 2020 presidential election? I hardly hear anyone mentioning this. Was there much? And if not, why not? Our sagest minds were warning of this for years, and I heard several nat sec experts warn me of this but a few weeks ago. There have been hundreds of media articles about the topic. So what is up? I see a few options:

1. There was lots of foreign interference (again), but things turned out OK so it is not a major issue. “Never mind.”

The Bad Person lost, the Good Person won. What more do you need to know from the New York Times and the Washington Post?

2. President Donald Trump ensured election integrity through vigilance, good policy, and cooperation with Vladimir Putin.

3. Local election authorities were alert this time around, and they choked off each and every instance of foreign election interference.

4. The major tech companies were alert this time around, and they choked off each and every instance of foreign election interference. They didn’t even let the Russkies spend 60k on Facebook ads. Those are such great companies.

5. Foreign election interference was never much of a significant issue to begin with. “Never mind.”

6. Foreign powers are now all, in each and every country, committed to free and fair American elections, and they acted accordingly.

To be clear, I am not asking which is true. I am asking which one I am supposed to believe.

You are just not supposed to think about the topic until the next time you are alerted to worry about it, at which point you will be informed of what you are to believe.

 
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  1. The media hasn’t made up its mind yet. When it does, we’ll be told.

  2. Polistra says:

    You’re that “friend” aren’t you Steve?
    When I saw Tyler’s post I thought maybe you wrote it.

    I guess he has tenure. Hope it’s enough, but I doubt it..

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Bill
  3. wren says:

    I hope Sydney Powell doesn’t let me down.

    Giuliani too, with whatever they keep talking about.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    , @Corvinus
  4. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently, Dominion software was written in Java.

    Java is for remedial programmers. It’s not sophisticated, it doesn’t take a big brain to deal with it. It’s not, and never has been secure. Apple, to this day, recommends disabling JavaScript on Safari, owing to it’s ridiculous security protocols.

    Because Java is relatively easy to write code for, it will attract grifters and ne’er-do-wells, and when you attract them, you can take tomfuckery as a given, where tomfuckery will be profitable.

    Whomever gave the okay to commit to voting apparatus in which the Java programming language is its foundation, and that apparatus is connected to a modem, should do serious jail time. Ignorance isn’t an excuse here. People need to be going to jail for this one.

    Next week is gonna be a hell of a week. The shit’s about to get real…

  5. Look at this fine piece from the Grauniad.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/22/us-voting-machine-private-companies-voter-registration

    A great rant about the evils of voting machine companies like Dominican.
    All the votes are rigged, in a terribly insecure and fraud rife system, primarily by the Russians.
    Just 18 months ago. Satan Trump must have done wonders to produce the error free rock solid electoral system of today.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  6. Don’t worry… Dominion Systems, a Canadian company, has it under control.

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
  7. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:

    You are just not supposed to think about the topic until the next time you are alerted to worry about it, at which point you will be informed of what you are to believe.

    Invariably a “Here’s what you need to know” article will be written on the subject.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  8. The only foreign election interference comes from Israel. Jewish-American oligarchs bribe politicians and execute Epstein-style sexual blackmail.

    Our entire establishment is riddled with Jewish subversives (like Jared Kushner), but we talk of Russian interference.

    It’s pretty clear that the intelligence agencies are nothing more than propaganda outlets of the Jewish ruling class.

    By the way, if you want to gain an understanding of how Jews took over America, watch this brothel scene from the Godfather. Just substitute in Jews for Italians.

    Then watch this scene in which the blackmailed politician praises Italians and acts super PC.

    Once you watch the above scenes you’ll understand why White Gentile leads are so pro-Israel and anti-White. You’ll also understand what Epstein was doing on his secluded island.

  9. @JohnnyWalker123

    Impeachment was a Jew coup.

    Watch below.

  10. El Dato says:

    Hallucinogenic gases emitted by masks made in China caused people to become disinclined to vote Trump as the SillyValley-Media-Industrial-Necon-Complex looked on.

  11. @Polistra

    No, I just copy and pasted this from Marginal Revolution. I didn’t contribute to it in any way.

  12. LondonBob says:

    I am reliably informed that a unit under the command of USEUCOM (i.e., United States European Command) did in fact conduct an operation to take control of computer servers. But these servers belong to the CIA, not Dominion or Sctyl. The U.S. military has full authority to do this because any CIA activity in the European theater is being conducted using military cover. In other words, CIA officers would be identified to the German government (and anyone else asking) as military employees or consultants.

    Such an operation would have been carried out with U.S. law enforcement present to take custody of the evidence. That means that the evidence will be under the control of the Department of Justice through US Attorneys and can be used in court or other judicial proceedings.

    Both at home and abroad.

  13. LondonBob says:

    The executive order signed into existence on September 12, 2018, by President Donald J. Trump. That order, available at Whitehouse.gov, is entitled, “Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election.” In that executive order, which almost no one has covered since the day it was signed, President Trump declares a national emergency. That emergency is still in play to this day, and the 2020 election was conducted under this state of emergency.

    Dominion is Canadian, Scytl Spanish, the term “election infrastructure” in the order means information and communications technology and systems used by or on behalf of the Federal Government or a State or local government in managing the election process, including voter registration databases, voting machines, voting tabulation equipment, and equipment for the secure transmission of election results. That would include the Dominion voting systems as well as all other voting systems used in the recent election. Finally, the EO describes what it means by the term “foreign interference.” It means: (emphasis added) …any covert, fraudulent, deceptive, or unlawful actions or attempted actions of a foreign government, or of any person acting as an agent of or on behalf of a foreign government, undertaken with the purpose or effect of influencing, undermining confidence in, or altering the result or reported result of, the election, or undermining public confidence in election processes or institutions. Note the important words of “altering the result or reported result of the election.”

  14. Mikael_ says:
    @Anonymous

    Java is […] not sophisticated
    Apple, to this day, recommends disabling JavaScript on Safari

    Uh, I’m not a programmer but Java is to JavaScript what Outlook is to Outlook Express.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @El Dato
  15. @Anonymous

    “Java” and “JavaScript” are not at all related.

  16. Graham says:
    @Anonymous

    “Java is for remedial programmers. It’s not sophisticated, it doesn’t take a big brain to deal with it. It’s not, and never has been secure. Apple, to this day, recommends disabling JavaScript on Safari, owing to it’s ridiculous security protocols.”

    Do you mean Java or JavaScript? They are different languages, with different advantages and problems. And (although I personally don’t like Java) it’s incorrect to say that Java is not sophisticated. It can be, and is, used for large, complicated, commercial systems. To do this does actually need a big brain. JavaScript is also a powerful language that can be used to do anything you like.

    • Thanks: Coemgen
  17. Aardvark says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Viewing it through the lens of “Republicans hated the Chinese and Democrats hated the Russians”, then the idea that the Chinese might have helped Biden win the election is zero cause for MSM or Rachel MadCow alarmism.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  18. BB753 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The real godfather was Jewish: Meyer Lansky.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  19. I think it is clear that Biden had help from Kazakhstan with the Borat movie. However that may be balanced by Trump having the Russians working for his campaign.

    however all of this about foreign interference in elections is just so much nonsense. The United States tries to interfere with and influence just about every election that occurs in the world, and that is just the way things are.

    So if the world tries to reciprocate, just get over it. Winning elections is all about making friends and influencing people, and in international diplomacy, the very best way to promote friendship between nations is to get a friendly government into a foreign nation in the first place.

    It is no different from major multinational corporations based in the United States saying that they are willing to follow the letter of the law, but at the same time spending millions of dollars to try to change laws in their favor.

  20. It’s nice to see someone outside the bubble noticing the narrative shift.

  21. @Anonymous

    Java is an object-oriented programming language, similar in syntax and construct to C++, though not quite as powerful under the hood. It is not programming-lite, like the JavaScript to which you probably meant to refer, but it was a funny rant nonetheless.

  22. Anonymous[370] • Disclaimer says:

    Vladimir Putin – the ultimate boogie man*, the 21st century equivalent of the ‘malevolent little imp’, who can, apparently, ‘sink ships at harbor with great loss of life’ by merely uttering a few magic words.

    YouTube link to that ’70s hit ‘Here comes the Boogie Man’ would be appropriate.

  23. Ano says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, we can confirm Mr Sailer is not the author.

    Yours,

    NSA
    CIA
    FBI
    The Five Eyes (UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand spying on behalf of NSA, CIA, etc etc)
    Mossad

  24. Polynikes says:
    @wren

    These guys are just PR fronts. There are real firms behind Trumps election strategy, but they are being pressured by “the swamp” to drop the president as a client. I believe one firm announced proactively they won’t represent Trump and a few partners have stepped down at various places over the issue.

    We’re in an interesting place right now. I suspect the Sup Ct will decide against the side that is least likely to stage a coup (so, the right) and try and preserve the Union. But Trump has a strong case and now seems to be mobilizing people.

    This is how we go from democracy to empire. If not this time, then next.

  25. Bill says:
    @Polistra

    Yeah, man, it’s pretty much open season on academic libertarians. And what a horrible loss to society if they are silenced!

  26. ic1000 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    > No, I just copy and pasted this from Marginal Revolution. I didn’t contribute to it in any way.

    Please notarize this statement and send it via certified mail to the Tenure Adjudication & Adjustment Board, Dept. of Economics, George Mason University, Fairfax VA 22030. It must arrive by the close of business on Nov. 16, 2020 to be considered in Prof. Cowen’s review.

    • LOL: Cato
  27. @Anonymous

    “Obey”… “Dominion”… Why don’t these leftist companies do a better job of naming themselves in ways that cover their biases instead of promoting them?

  28. Harvested vote-by-mail ballots eliminated the problem. Now every American citizen has the ability to hack his own election without foreign assistance.

  29. fnn says:

    It’s not illegal to talk to Russians. Even during the so-called McCarthy Era it was not illegal to talk to Russians. Talking to Russians is not the same as “collusion.”

  30. anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    Does South Philly count as a foreign country?

    https://buffalochronicle.com/2020/11/14/exclusive-how-a-philly-mob-boss-stole-the-election-and-why-he-may-flip-on-joe-biden/

    But an associate says that Merlino might just be willing to flip on Joe Biden and the Pennsylvania political operatives who ordered up some 300,000 election ballots marked for Biden. The source alleges that Merlino and a lean team of associates manufactured those ballots at a rate of $10 per ballot — a whopping $3 million for three days of work. They were then packaged into non-descript cardboard boxes and dropped off outside the Philadelphia Convention Center.

    Sources who spoke to The Chronicle on the condition of anonymity say that Merlino picked up those ballots from two private households where a trusted handful of associates were busily marking ballots with Sharpie markers. They were paid more than $1,000 per hour, often producing thousands of ballots every hour for more than 60 nearly-consecutive hours.

    The ballots were purchased in cash.

    • Replies: @Alden
  31. That Russia-meddling story, even if were not a hoax, was anti-democratic: Foreigners have every right, and indeed should encouraged (e.g. given prominence on Unz) to participate in our democratic process — especially those whose low-cost and effective school-huts have been targeted by USAF strategic bombers

    I do get offended, however, when foreigners act like our domestic, anti-American, special interest group pigs, e.g. when they hire DC lobbyists.

  32. AndrewR says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You’re not wrong but I also think you’re ignoring the carrots. You get much better results when you have yummy carrots in addition to sticks.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  33. @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    In case you missed it, you might be interested

    Off Topic

    This line comes from a Scientific American article:

    Even height and IQ are correlated and largely genetically determined.

    I found it republished here:

    https://getpocket.com/explore/item/humans-are-still-mating-with-neandertals

  34. Curiouser and curiouser:

    https://buffalochronicle.com/2020/11/14/exclusive-how-a-philly-mob-boss-stole-the-election-and-why-he-may-flip-on-joe-biden/

    The Boss of the Philly mob — ‘Skinny Joey’ Merlino — is taking a victory strut, hobnobbing around the highest echelons of old-time mafia folk, mostly in Florida, describing what may have been the heist of the century: the 2020 presidential election.

    The feat is drawing praise from far-flung corners of the Italian American business community, which sees the thanks of a grateful administration as key to the revival of the community’s political influence.

    But an associate says that Merlino might just be willing to flip on Joe Biden and the Pennsylvania political operatives who ordered up some 300,000 election ballots marked for Biden. The source alleges that Merlino and a lean team of associates manufactured those ballots at a rate of $10 per ballot — a whopping $3 million for three days of work. They were then packaged into non-descript cardboard boxes and dropped off outside the Philadelphia Convention Center.

    Sources who spoke to The Chronicle on the condition of anonymity say that Merlino picked up those ballots from two private households where a trusted handful of associates were busily marking ballots with Sharpie markers. They were paid more than $1,000 per hour, often producing thousands of ballots every hour for more than 60 nearly-consecutive hours.

    The ballots were purchased in cash.

    I’m clinging to my delusional optimism that Trump might yet prevail.

  35. epebble says:
    @Anonymous

    Java is to Javascript what Horse is to Seahorse or Urchin is to Seaurchin.

    What is your favorite programming language that is sophisticated and takes a big brain to deal with?

  36. Rob McX says:

    What a bunch of amateurs, relying on “foreign interference” that might swing a few thousand votes here and a few thousand there. The real professionals import the foreign voters by the million and then watch them breed and multiply to ensure them a permanent majority.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  37. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:

    As long as they helped the right person win, foreign interference doesn’t matter.

    In fact, we should allow people all over the world to vote in our elections, since it’s really no difference between citizens and non-citizens, the latter are just future citizens.

  38. Mr. Anon says:

    You are just not supposed to think about the topic until the next time you are alerted to worry about it, at which point you will be informed of what you are to believe.

    I forget where I first saw it – probably here – but it bears repeating:

    It used to be that the news media told me that something happened and I had to decide how to feel about it.

    Now they tell me how to feel about something and I have to decide whether or not it happened.

  39. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Invariably a “Here’s what you need to know” article will be written on the subject.

    Indeed. That is one of the most patronizing and insulting developments in modern journalism – the “Here’s what you need to know” or “Here’s all you need to know” article. No doubt soon to be replaced with the “You don’t need to know anything. Shut up and don’t ask questions.” article.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @anon
  40. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s very common for government software to be written in outdated programming languages because government moves so slowly and inefficiently . A lot of government software is still written in Cobol.

    While Java is probably not the best choice, using it is not necessarily wrong. Android is “Java like”. Security is a multi-layered thing and the choice of programming language is only one aspect and not the most important one.

    Apparently, not all Dominion software is written in Java. Of the 5 modules that compose the Dominion suite, only 1 of them, the smallest one, is written in Java and the rest are in some version of C.

    https://votingsystems.cdn.sos.ca.gov/vendors/dominion/ds52-sc.pdf

    I don’t know what your sources are, but I really doubt “shit is going to get real.” So far no one has been able to uncover anything material that counts as fraud under the law nor any evidence that Dominion was hacked.

    • Replies: @anon
  41. @JohnnyWalker123

    For context, you first need to see Sen. Geary right at the beginning of the film. His little speech about “despising” the “oily” Italians scum scurrying into “this clean land” is likely the most based MSMovie speech ever (followed by Guy Bannister’s “That’s what happens when you give n*ggers the vote” speech from “JFK”).

    Sen. Geary did nothing wrong!

    Unfortunately, he not only attempted to “squeeze” the Corleones, he even told them about it. Big mistake.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  42. @JohnnyWalker123

    “Jewish subversives (like Jared Kushner), but we talk of Russian interference”

    Combine Russian and Jewish with organized crime: HQ in Israel operating extensive networks in Russia, Europe, and the USA. What links Trump and Putin is business with the Russian-Israeli mafia. Add into the mix Mossad and the CIA/MI6. I read this somewhere in 2016; probably ZeroHedge. I see Google over there but I can’t be bothered. When life isn’t gradual death it takes on the feeling of a pulpy Robert Ludlum novel. Where’s my trench coat?

  43. @Bill Jones

    “Satan Trump”

    Santa Trump.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  44. Sean says:

    Trump’s big issue was China and the pauperisation of the white working class epitomised by Deaths of Despair: “Case and Deaton tie the crisis to the weakening position of labor, the growing power of corporations, and, above all, to a rapacious health-care sector that redistributes working-class wages into the pockets of the wealthy”. Made-In-Wuhan Fentanyl eased their passing from a world where they are surplus to requirements. Meanwhile wealthy Chinese were keeping their peckers up with pangolin potions. When Trump got in it was not something China was very happy about. The EU were playing this game too, but there is no question China aimed tariffs at Trump’s base: on Harley Davidson to hit Wisconsin which Trump barely won, bourbon took care of Kentucky and specific agricultural tariffs hurt Iowa, Nebraska and Wisconsin again.

    BBC News
    US-China trade deal: Winners and losers
    Published15 January [2020]
    By Natalie Sherman
    Business reporter, New York

    Winner: Donald Trump
    Some critics say there is little substance, but the signing offers an opportunity for US President Donald Trump to put the trade war behind him and claim an achievement heading into the 2020 presidential election.[…]

    Winner: President Xi Jinping
    China appears set to emerge from the signing having agreed to terms it offered early in the process, including loosening market access to US financial and car firms. In many cases, companies from other countries are already benefiting from the changes.

    While President Xi can claim he did not simply bow to America’s demands, that doesn’t mean the Chinese are celebrating. The Federal Reserve estimates that China’s economy has taken a 0.25% hit, as US demand for its goods fell by about a third

    If in January 2020, when it seemed re election of Trump was 19 months away, a pissed Xi suddenly dealing with crisis perceived that properly handles it offered a way to passive-aggressively inflict pain on all of America, would he take it?

    WHILE Chinese authorities limited domestic flights from Wuhan to other Chinese cities like Beijing and Shanghai in an effort to contain the outbreak in January, it urged international carriers to maintain their flying schedules. The Civil Aviation Administration of China stated “In order to meet the needs of passengers in and out of the country and the international transport of supplies during this special period … airlines [are required to] … continue transport to nations that have not imposed travel restrictions.”

    China’s assertion that all was well for international travel was supported by the WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus at the opening of the agency’s Executive Board meet on the 3rd February. He said ” There is no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade. We call on all countries to implement decisions that are evidence-based and consistent. WHO stands ready to provide advice to any country that is considering which measures to take,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying criticised the US advisories saying “The U.S. government hasn’t provided any substantial assistance to us, but it was the first to evacuate personnel from its consulate in Wuhan, the first to suggest partial withdrawal of its embassy staff, and the first to impose a comprehensive travel ban on Chinese travellers”

    While China continued to protest against international travel bans it successfully quarantined Wuhan and other affected cities. The total domestic lockdown of Hubei province and the flight ban imposed inside China had immediate effect. As per data from Tom Tom traffic index Wuhan had a traffic density of 60% in January while Shanghai and Beijing had nearly 80% density. After the total lockdown the average traffic density fell to below 10% in Wuhan and Shanghai during February and below 5% in Beijing. While implementing a total domestic lockdown in February, China kept assuring the world that the situation was not serious and fully under control.

  45. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    It’s very common for government software to be written in outdated programming languages because government moves so slowly and inefficiently . A lot of government software is still written in Cobol.

    This is not relevant to the issue. Dominion is a private company, possibly owned by interesting people such as Rep. Pelosi’s husband via a holding company, as well as others.

    While Java is probably not the best choice, using it is not necessarily wrong. Android is “Java like”.

    Android is an operating system for devices such as handsets and tablets, it is based on Linux. It is not a language.

    Security is a multi-layered thing and the choice of programming language is only one aspect and not the most important one.

    This is accurate and relevant. If Dominion’s ballot systems have backdoors it doesn’t matter what language the system uses. It could have been hand-written in x86 Assembly, the corruption issue would still exist.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  46. El Dato says:
    @Mikael_

    – “Java” is “JVM + Java”, nowadays often JVM + (Kotlin, Clojure, Scala)
    – “JavaScript” is LISP reinvented as a square wheel with bong sound with an ugly bracy syntax then mercilessly shanghaied from the browser onto the server by the biggest waste of money, brain and time of the last 30 years, which is Node.js.

  47. El Dato says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Trump: Halfway between the gutter and the stars

  48. When did Reason magazine start trusting the government?

    Don’t Buy the Debunked Dominion Voting Machine Conspiracy Theory

    The Supreme Court Won’t Save Trump

    Two of Biden’s (and Harris’s) vanquished rivals in the Democratic primaries called out this company last year. The gun is still smoking.

    Warren, Klobuchar, Wyden, and Pocan Investigate Vulnerabilities and Shortcomings of Election Technology Industry with Ties to Private Equity

    (Mark Pocan represents Madison in Congress. Madison, Wisconsin.)

    BTW, it’s Transgender Awareness Week at Google. How appropriate, considering a white male figurehead is covering for the real president-elect. Google is silent, though, about who is committing all that violence against “Black” and “Latinx” trannies.

  49. anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump team has been pointing out the Venezuelan government tampered with the election results via control of Dominion software but this is rejected by the MSM as “bonkers” without investigating.

    Rudy Giuliani, who Trump has entrusted with running his election challenge operation, explained the theory this weekend on Fox News.

    “It’s way beyond what people think, including a very, very dangerous foreign company that did the votes in 27 states, a company that’s not American, a company that’s foreign, a company that has close, close ties with Venezuela and, therefore, China and uses a Venezuelan company software that’s been used to steal elections in other countries.”

    “I mean, I don’t think people have any idea of the dimension of the national security problem that Dominion creates. This Dominion company is a radical-left company. One of the people there is a big supporter of antifa and has written horrible things about the president for the last three or four years. And, the software that they use is done by a company called Smartmatic, a company that was founded by [Hugo] Chávez and by Chávez’s two allies, who still own it. And it’s been used to cheat in elections in South America. It was banned by the United States several — about a decade ago. It’s come back now as a subcontractor to other companies. It sort of hides in the weeds. But Dominion sends everything to Smartmatic. Can you believe it? Our votes are sent overseas. They are sent to someplace else, some other country. Why do they leave our country?”

    2.7 million Trump votes could have been deleted this way.

    • LOL: Corvinus
  50. Alden says:
    @anon

    Wow, even the most skilled strippers who harvest marijuana only make $1,000 for a 15 hour day. Meals provided of course. And grand meals too. The best steaks, Smithfield hams pastries from the best shops.

    Does anyone believe this story? I’m dubious.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  51. Jack D says:
    @anon

    I’m sorry I wasn’t clear. Not the OS itself but the applications which run under Android. The Android API (application programming interface) is closely based on the Java API, close enough that Oracle has sued Google.

    Dominion’s systems have been audited by outside sources (see the link in my previous response) and found not to have any backdoors. Of course no software is invulnerable – the game of cat and mouse between hackers and hackees is never ending and is not something that is one and done.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  52. anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I’m sorry I wasn’t clear. Not the OS itself but the applications which run under Android.

    Since May 2019 the preferred language for Android apps is Kotlin, which targets the JVM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotlin_(programming_language)

    I assume it’s somehow different enough from Java for lawyerly purposes.

  53. @JohnnyWalker123

    You’re invoking Francis Ford Coppola and Mario Puzo as evidence for your “theories”? “Just substitute in Jews for Italians.” Sure. They’re both fond of food, talking with their hands, are a little funny about their mothers and are plagued with guilt. Who can tell them apart?

    Truly, antisemitism has become the conservatism of fools.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  54. @Redneck farmer

    Dominion Voting Systems is Canadian. Apparently, the company, or its agent(s), have indeed interfered in “our” recent election:

    Dominion Engineer Told Antifa He’d ‘Made Sure’ Trump Wouldn’t Win https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/dominion-engineer-told-antifa-hed-made-sure-trump-wouldnt-win/

    Dominion’s Eric Coomer Is an Unhinged Sociopath — His Internet Profile Is Being Deleted and Erased
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/denver-business-owner-dominions-eric-coomer-unhinged-sociopath-internet-profile-deleted-erased-audio/

    Dominion Engineer Told Antifa He’d ‘Made Sure’ Trump Wouldn’t Win, Report Says https://www.targetliberty.com/2020/11/dominion-engineer-told-antifa-hed-made.html

  55. Russian capability to rig US elections mysteriously went away the day Biden was elected.

  56. anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Dominion’s systems have been audited by outside sources (see the link in my previous response) and found not to have any backdoors.

    The document from 2017 you linked to lists at least one obvious vulnerability via USB. I could be wrong, but it appears that Dominion runs under Windows, with all the fine security features everyone loves about Micro$oft products.

    If you wish to split hairs over the meaning of the term “backdoor” feel free to do so.

    PS for other persons: the document Jack linked to lists the languages used for Dominion’s software, they include C++, Java and C#.

  57. @Bard of Bumperstickers

    Dominion’s vice president Eric Coomer warned in 2016 that vote-counting systems are manipulable

    (8+ min, but Dr. Coomer only speaks last minute)

    • Replies: @Altai
  58. Altai says:

    Gold chain men instinctually know about corruption. They have an answer.

  59. Altai says:
    @Bard of Bumperstickers

    If America can afford 11 supercarriers then it can afford enough paper ballots for it’s elections.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  60. @Mr. Anon

    No doubt soon to be replaced with the “You don’t need to know anything. Shut up and don’t ask questions.” article.

    We already have those articles. They are used for any news that raises unflattering suspicions about black people.

  61. anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    No doubt soon to be replaced with the “You don’t need to know anything. Shut up and don’t ask questions.” article.

    That’s the “national conversation about race” article. Regular feature in our fine media.

  62. @Gary in Gramercy

    You’re invoking Francis Ford Coppola and Mario Puzo as evidence for your “theories”?

    No, I’m invoking Jeffrey Epstein as evidence for my theories.

    Epstein was a large-scale sex trafficker who, for mysterious reasons, was really popular with global elites. For reasons which are difficult to understand, a stunning number of global elites went to his mansions, flew on his “Lolita Express” jet, and went to his island.

    Why would global elites hang out with a college dropout with a history of shady conduct (money laundering, prostitution, etc)? Sort of strange, isn’t it?

    Here’s something more disturbing to ponder. Given that Epstein had turned his homes into brothels, what was the need to fly his friends out to the Caribbean island? Why create a brothel out so far from America?

    The only plausible explanation is that what was happening on that island went far beyond basic prostitution. It was so dark and depraved that it needed to take place far from any population center.

    So when I posted that movie clip, it wasn’t meant to be “evidence” of anything. It was meant to be a realistic portrayal of what was happening on Epstein’s properties, especially his island.

  63. @AndrewR

    Yummy carrots can be useful when you need small favors. When you need HUGE favors that would require the other party to take a major risk, then the stick is useful.

    For example, let’s say that you are a powerful Senator. If I need you to support a pro-Israel resolution in Congress, I can bribe you. Simple enough. However, if I need you to kill any formal investigation into Epstein’s assassination, a carrot might not be enough. You might not be willing to risk your reputation (and reelection chances). That’s where the stick comes in handy.

    In some cases, a powerful individual has enough carrots. He doesn’t need any more. So you whack him with the stick to encourage him to do the “right” thing.

    • Thanks: AndrewR
  64. Lagertha says:

    GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT

  65. Jack D says:
    @Altai

    Electronic only voting machines (which BTW are a very old technology – they’ve had mechanical versions of these since the 19th century) are out of fashion. Most of the current systems either print out a paper ballot after you have made your choices on screen, which then gets scanned (and the output of the scanner is where they register the votes, not in the machine) or else they just skip the voting machine and you hand fill the paper ballot by darkening circles SAT style and then that gets scanned. The same paper ballot can be used for both mail and in person voting. But in most cases a paper ballot is produced and if there is any question then later on the paper ballots can be hand counted.

  66. This former intelligence guy explains why the Democrats couldn’t possibly have stolen the election, based on his professional assessment of what it takes to interfere in one.

    Of course, a inescapable corollary is that he also demonstrates why it would have been impossible for the Russians to have done so in 2016.

    What It Would’ve Taken to Actually Steal the Election
    What you’d have to believe.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/long-fuse-big-bang/202011/what-it-wouldve-taken-actually-steal-the-election

  67. @The Alarmist

    Elections Canada speaks to all the Nervous Nellies in Canada re: Dominion Voting Systems:

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Jack D
  68. @Another Canadian

    Bless their hearts … I bet the wood pulp for the paper, like many things in Canada, is locally sourced, i.e. none of that crap from Georgia Pacific or American Paper.

  69. Paleoconn says:

    According to Democrats, the Trump administration schooled Obama on ensuring fair elections.

  70. Jack D says:
    @Another Canadian

    Why do US states use a foreign company (one that is not even used in its own home country) for voting systems? Given that these are US taxpayer funds, shouldn’t we use American sources? Aren’t government agencies supposed to “Buy American”? I realize that the Canadians are supposed to be a friendly government, but isn’t there some concern that the Canadian government might gain access to (or maybe even alter) US election results?

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
  71. Corvinus says:

    “What is the current take on foreign interference in the 2020 presidential election? I hardly hear anyone mentioning this. Was there much? And if not, why not?”

    It’s there, especially from the New York Times and the Washington Post. Just takes some NOTICING, Mr. Sailer.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/03/2020-election-foreign-interference-disinformation-democracy/

    https://www.justsecurity.org/73252/early-edition-november-4-2020/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/cybercom-targets-iran-election-interference/2020/11/03/aa0c9790-1e11-11eb-ba21-f2f001f0554b_story.html

    U.S. Cyber Command and the National Security Agency have taken recent actions to ensure that foreign actors do not interfere in the 2020 election, including an operation in the past two weeks against Iran, U.S. officials said.

    The move against Iranian hackers working for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps came shortly after they launched an operation two weeks ago posing as a far-right group to send threatening emails to American voters and also posted a video aimed at driving down confidence in the voting process, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the operation’s sensitivity.

    Gen. Paul Nakasone, who leads both the NSA and the military’s cyber command, did not address any specific operation Tuesday but said in an interview with reporters that he was “very confident in actions” taken against adversaries “over the past several weeks and the past several months to make sure that they’re not going to interfere in our elections.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/cyberattacks-2020-election.html

    From its sprawling new war room inside Fort Meade, not far from Baltimore-Washington International Airport in Maryland, United States Cyber Command dived deep into Russian and Iranian networks in the months before the election, temporarily paralyzing some and knocking ransomware tools offline.

    Then it stole Iran’s game plan and, without disclosing the intelligence coup behind the theft, made public a part of Tehran’s playbook when the Iranians began to carry it out.

    Now, nearly a week after the polls closed, it is clear that all the warnings of a crippling cyberattack on election infrastructure, or an overwhelming influence operation aimed at American voters, did not come to pass. There were no breaches of voting machines and only modest efforts, it appears, to get inside registration systems.

    https://thehill.com/policy/technology/524548-officials-warn-delayed-vote-count-could-lead-to-flood-of-disinformation

    “There’s a lot of uncertainty right now about different aspects of the election that make this moment a perfect breeding ground for a disinformation campaign or even casual rumors to float around,” Saif Shahin, an assistant professor at American University’s School of Communications, told The Hill.

    Sen. Mark Warner (Va.), the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said foreign adversaries could take advantage of Trump’s comments prematurely declaring victory on Wednesday morning, even as votes were being counted.

    “In the coming days, I am deeply concerned that foreign adversaries could seek to amplify messages, like those from the President, that are designed to undermine the legitimacy of the election,” Warner, who won reelection to the Senate on Tuesday, told The Hill in a statement.

    Warner and acting Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) had warned of the threat in the days and weeks leading up to the election.

    “WARNING. The bulk of disinformation attacks prepared by our adversaries were designed for the days before & just after Election Day,” Rubio tweeted last week. “They may come faster than they can be spotted & called out, so word to the wise, the more outlandish the claim, the likelier it’s foreign influence.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/us/politics/election-officials-contradict-trump.html

    The Dominion software was used in only two of the five counties that had experienced Election Day hiccups in Michigan and Georgia. In every instance, there was a detailed explanation for what happened, most of it human error. In none of the cases did software affect the vote counts.

    The council’s statement on Thursday was prompted by repeated “baseless claims of voter fraud that none of us have seen any evidence of,” said one the federal officials who signed it, Benjamin Hovland, the chairman of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.

    Mr. Hovland said that the group was aware of Mr. Trump’s tweet about the Dominion systems before it published its statement, but that it was only one of many statements that had disturbed the group for days.

    “Because of this politically motivated rhetoric, these baseless accusations, you’re seeing harassment of election officials, you’re seeing threats toward elections officials — completely unacceptable,” he said. “We’ve seen these accusations time and time again. We’ve seen them by this president from the very start.”

    “What you see happening right now,” Mr. Hovland added, “is playing right into the hands of our foreign adversaries who want to see us lose faith in our democracy.”

  72. Corvinus says:
    @wren

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-lawyer-claims-without-evidence-won-millions-of-votes-2020-11

    Sidney Powell, an attorney representing President Donald Trump, made baseless claims of voter fraud on Fox News Sunday morning, where she said voting software was “designed to rig elections.”

    Powell claimed that the president “won by not just hundreds of thousands of votes, but by millions of votes” and the campaign is “fixing to overturn the results of the election in multiple states.”

    And how can she can wrong!

    Trump even won California and Minnesota!

  73. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Apparently, Dominion software was written in Java.”

    Sources?

    “Next week is gonna be a hell of a week. The shit’s about to get real…”

    Yes, ma’am.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-supreme-court-rules-philadelphia-followed-law-on-election-observers

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-dominion-software-trump-law/fact-check-dominion-softwarewas-notusedonlyin-states-where-trump-is-filing-lawsuits-idUSKBN27S2Z9

    The posts ( here , here , here , here , here ) show screenshots, that appear to be from Newsmax TV ( http://www.newsmaxtv.com/ ), of two maps of the United States. The top map, titled “Dominion Software in Use”, shows six states in blue – Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia – while the rest of the states are in red. The second map, titled “Where Trump is filing lawsuits”, highlights in red the same six states, leaving all the other states grey. Captions include, “Oh my word!! Could it be any more clear???”; “I’m sure it’s just a coincidence! SMH [shake my head]”; “Nothing to see here.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/14/fact-check-dominion-voting-machines-didnt-delete-switch-votes/6282157002/

    Edward Perez, an election-technology expert at the OSET Institute, a nonprofit that studies voting infrastructure, told the New York Times that claims about Dominion voting machines are “misinformation at best and, in many cases, they’re outright disinformation.”

    “I’m not aware of any evidence of specific things or defects in Dominion software that would lead one to believe that votes had been recorded or counted incorrectly,” Perez said.

  74. @Jack D

    My guess is using a foreign-domiciled company for voting systems is a feature, not a bug.

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