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Apparently, this guy.

Jonathan Jacob Meijer is a Dutch rock musician who is a popular sperm donor. From the New York Times:

The Case of the Serial Sperm Donor
One man, hundreds of children and a burning question: Why?

By Jacqueline Mroz
Feb. 1, 2021

… Exactly how many donor children Mr. Meijer has around the world is impossible to say. But Ties van der Meer, the director of the Dutch Donor Child Foundation, and his colleagues have calculated that if Mr. Meijer’s known pattern of clinic and private donation was any indicator, the number could run to several hundred, even 1,000.

In an email, Mr. Meijer dismissed that conclusion. “I have approximately 250 children,” he said. “Assumptions of 1,000 are ridiculous. I am disappointed by the obsession of the numbers. I became a donor not for any numbers but out of love to help parents with realizing their dream. I cannot understand how anyone can only focus on numbers and see my donor children as a number.”

I suspect that musicians do so well with the ladies because they tend to look like they’d have beautiful daughters: e.g., Steven Tyler of Aerosmith and his daughter Liv Tyler. And this guy’s wavy long blond hair and white teeth sets women’s hearts to racing about how their daughter would be the belle of the ball.

The sperm bank that has long been the world’s biggest exporter is located in Denmark, suggesting blond Danes are the #1 choice of the women of the world.

On the other hand, I’m not sure my hair theory holds up when tested on Simon Watson, who looks longer on personality than on hair. From The Guardian:

I fathered 800 children, claims sperm donor
By Natalie Morton & Sarah Bell

Published 13 January 2016

Simon Watson, 41, has been an unlicensed sperm donor for 16 years, donating once a week.

“Usually one [baby] a week pops out. I reckon I’ve got about 800 so far, so within four years I’d like to crack 1,000,” he tells the Victoria Derbyshire programme..

“I’ve got kids all the way from Spain to Taiwan, so many countries. I’d like to get the world record ever, make sure no-one’s going to break it, get as many as possible.” …

Mr Watson, who has been married twice, has three children. It was after his first marriage ended that he started to donate.

“I thought I didn’t want to go through all that again, I’d much rather go down to a sperm bank, have kids there, and if they ever come and see me later that’s great, but if they don’t, they don’t,” he says.

He admits his motivation could be linked to boosting his ego.

“I didn’t get my first girlfriend until I was 18. I thought, ‘I’m never going to get married and have kids.’ A psychologist would say that’s where it stemmed from, but I don’t know, I’ve never been to one,” he explains. …

Mr Watson’s son Thomas helps him with his Facebook page. The 20-year-old says: “When a photo comes up it makes me happy and it’s nice to know I have another brother or sister out there. All the time you get another random brother or sister pop up and you’re like, ‘Wicked.'”

How hereditary is the urge to go down to the sperm bank and have 1000 kids? If it’s fairly heritable, that might aggregate into something big over a number of generations.

From The History of the 23rd Century:

Few in the 21st Century imagined that world history would come to be dominated by the struggle between the Watson and Meijer Superclans.

 
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  1. You just made the case for arranging marriages, women just don’t think.

    • Agree: El Dato
  2. Thoughts says:

    He strikes me as the type Lesbians would want

    I don’t know about straight women…my guess from my sample size is currently ‘no’

  3. Glad I left the West. “What Women Want” is an imaginary hypothetical here in China, not an actual ruling ideology.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  4. Wilkey says:

    I suspect that musicians do so well with the ladies because they tend to look like they’d have beautiful daughters: e.g., Steven Tyler of Aerosmith and his daughter Liv Tyler.

    This is a bit of a stretch. Steven Tyler is butt ugly. Or at best he’s average.

    Liv Tyler is grogeous? Probably doesn’t hurt that her mother, Bebe Buell, was a Playboy centerfold.

    • Agree: Trinity, AnotherDad, TWS
    • Disagree: Cato
    • Replies: @Momus
    , @Anonymous
  5. People chose a donor and get a designer child, I guess. I watched the video of the little girl in Rochester and heard her mother on the tape. Too bad kids can’t pick their parents.

  6. Altai says:

    Whether one wants ones children to inherit his psychological profile…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  7. There must be NBA players who would consider Dutch Boy’s “sperm donation” totals a mere drop in the bucket.

    • Replies: @anon
  8. Mike Tre says:

    Mr. Meijer looks like he could have been the missing third Allman brother.

    I suppose rock stars seem like they’d have good looking daughters, but I bet for every Liv Typer there 2 or 3 Kelly Osborne’s out there.

  9. Rosie says:
    @Ari silver

    You just made the case for arranging marriages, women just don’t think.

    I suspect haters would say this no matter what women wanted. Take the bad boy, thing. If we only liked goody-two-shoes, that would also make the case for arranged marriages, lest we create a race of conformist bug men

    Anyway, it is particularly absurd in the case of music men, though. There is probably no better single indicator of overall fitness than musical ability.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23190123_Enhanced_divergent_thinking_and_creativity_in_musicians_A_behavioral_and_near-infrared_spectroscopy_study

  10. Meijer’s Thrifty Wankers.

    • LOL: Inquiring Mind
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  11. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thoughts

    “ I don’t know about straight women…my guess from my sample size is currently ‘no’”

    Agree, and I’m a woman. He looks vain, promiscuous and brain-dead, if not evil. Mr Sailer is baiting his readers.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  12. @Rosie

    ‘You just made the case for arranging marriages, women just don’t think.’

    ‘I suspect haters would say this no matter what women wanted…’

    Rosie, someday I want to meet a forty pound salmon that reacts like you do.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @anon
  13. Men are hard-wired to spread their seed far and wide, but it’s still kind of quaint that Meijer is providing such industrial-scale service for little or no payback, or even an endorsement deal. He could be considered the Storm Cat of sperm donors, but that great sire’s stud fee hit $500,000 a pop.

  14. danand says:

    Wait…What…I thought I read the name Liv Tyler? I guess egg donations would be a bit more than the $200 a shot Meijer charges.

    Makes one wonder the quality available for a $grand or so.

    92975EBF-60A0-4C6D-811F-C836E2DD03B5

    • Replies: @Polistra
  15. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s the hair. Women are into hair more than most guys realize. According to the article he was charging about $200USD a pop. That’s really some bargain basement stuff there. The woman with the two children may have a shot at having their looks be an improvement over what it would have been had she found a spouse who was on her level. Get a bargain and then complain about all the other cheapskates doing the same thing.

  16. This makes me think, one crazy eugenicist way to better humanity would be to pick a lot of healthy, handsome white guys with a nice personality and high IQs and force, I mean, kindly ask them to donate sperm once a week for the rest of their life and make sure that sperm gets distributed across the world to all who want it for free, especially in third world countries.

  17. @Reg Cæsar

    We Michiganders know what you are talking about.

  18. Dr. X says:

    18-year-old Homeless Black Lesbian Impregnated With Donated Sperm from Jewish Professor Who Claims 50 Children:

    https://nypost.com/2019/06/15/the-sperminators-50th-baby-mama-is-a-homeless-18-year-old-from-the-bronx/

    A fitting microcosm of the clown world that Weimerica has become…

    • Agree: donut
  19. Rosie says:
    @Colin Wright

    Rosie, someday I want to meet a forty pound salmon that reacts like you do.

    You know damned well I’m telling the truth.

    I have no doubt that if women didn’t like musicians, well that too would be a case for sex slavery arranged marriages. Our overly practical gold-digging would wind up breeding all the genius out of humanity, or something.

    Just about anything can be spun to justify hysterical woman-hatred with enough misogynists working day and night on concocting their bullsh!t.

    • Agree: Alden, jsm
    • Replies: @glib
    , @Polistra
    , @TWS
  20. He’s kind of weird looking. Does not look intelligent despite the nice golden hair. I’d beware of potential recessive rufosity in his genes, too (it’s not attractive, there’s a reason medieval people associated red hair with the devil/occult). Maybe the other sperm donors looked worse, though. Or had more hereditary diseases.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  21. danand says:

    “…not sure my hair theory holds up when tested on Simon Watson…”

    Perhaps this is more the Simon the women hope they are getting, receiving, …going to have as a child:

    Most prolific sperm donor

    • Replies: @Lurker
  22. Malla says:

    The logic with women is simple. You will always have to PAY for sex. EITHER with money as with a prostitute or in most marriages. Smarter route for a guy to take is to PAY with great emotions and great sex. Become a great lover. Become charming and self confident.
    Better yet, a lover with ambitions and money.
    Remember Man represents civilization, Woman represents Wild Nature though women have contributed to civilization too. Superficially it may seem the opposite, but that is only superficial.

    • Agree: BB753
  23. Rosie says:
    @anonymous

    It’s the hair. Women are into hair more than most guys realize.

    It depends on the guy. Generally, yes, most men look better with more rather than less hair, but there are exceptions.

    Metallica’s James Hetfield is one of the best-looking rock stars in my opinion, but he was never a heart throb because of all the hair (long hair or a mustache, not both, m’kay). I suspect that may have been deliberate. Jon Bon Jovi was never taken as seriously as a vocalist as he should’ve been because of the whole sex symbol thing IMO.

    [MORE]

    Here he is smoking hot, no mustache:

    • Thanks: Abe
  24. glib says:
    @Rosie

    No need to get aggravated over it, Rosie. The upcoming intensely Darwinistic process known as Western collapse will wipe out most idiots, female and male alike.

    • Replies: @TWS
  25. anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

    an unlicensed sperm donor

  26. Anon[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Good hair=high androgen level. However, if the androgens are too high, it apparently leads to Asperger’s and Autism.

  27. I suspect that musicians do so well with the ladies because they tend to look like they’d have beautiful daughters: e.g., Steven Tyler of Aerosmith and his daughter Liv Tyler. And this guy’s wavy long blond hair and white teeth sets women’s hearts to racing about how their daughter would be the belle of the ball.

    I think it’s more primal than that. . Women want to be impregnated by the alpha male, and when onstage, rock stars are the alpha male. Except Boy George. I don’t know what he was. Lamba male, perhaps.

    • LOL: kikz
    • Replies: @Rosie
  28. @anonymous

    It’s the hair. Women are into hair more than most guys realize.

    Yeah, I wonder if that’s it; his hair is a nice color, and pretty lustrous, I guess. He’s also got that nice warm honey skin tone that some northern Europeans get when they can find some sun. The combination of the two likely creates a good impression on a gut level for many, ummm, shoppers.

  29. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Known Fact

    They get the sex but they’re pretty paranoid about gold diggers and child support.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  30. Soon enough, the old-fashioned low tech means of reproduction will be as popular as riding a horse to work.

    And we know what many will choose for their children. In India, skin bleaching is a booming business. Give them the chance to reclaim all their Indo-European genes and we’re going to see a lot of White Indians.

    I grieve the misery that anti-White policies forced on the White world. But as far as the long game, White DNA wins.

    Mark my words: there will be no Great Crash that takes us to a total Mad Max crash. Technology will continue. And in the end, we (Whites who are loyal to Whites) win.

    • Agree: Alden
  31. Musician? I think they were a bit generous with that term. At least he has the look down.

  32. anon[790] • Disclaimer says:

    The Dutch fellow has teeth like a picket fence going down a hill.

  33. This is an immoral and very strange way of getting pregnant, so the sample is more of an indication of what immoral and strange women want, not women in general.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    , @TWS
  34. @Mike Tre

    I suppose rock stars seem like they’d have good looking daughters, but I bet for every Liv Typer there 2 or 3 Kelly Osborne’s out there.

    Thankfully not that many Chaz Bonos.


  35. anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Rosie, someday I want to meet a forty pound salmon that reacts like you do.

    I dunno, when the salmon totally swallows the whole trolling rig, how hard is it to get back?

  36. 22pp22 says:

    I have tried asking women what they want. I now know better than to expect a coherent answer. If they are in a strop and you ask them what’s wrong, against you don’t get a coherent answer.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
  37. Anon[658] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Anyway, it is particularly absurd in the case of music men, though. There is probably no better single indicator of overall fitness than musical ability.

    Indeed. Marilyn Manson is an ugly, weird looking freak with sick fetishes and is abusive to women, but apparently he’s irresistible to beautiful women, even in his 50s. Must be that musical ability.

    “Marilyn Manson is DROPPED by record label after five women including Evan Rachel Wood accuse him of ‘horrific’ abuse ranging from blood pacts and sleep deprivation to drugs and brainwashing”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9211713/Four-women-accuse-Marilyn-Manson-abuse-Evan-Rachel-Wood.html

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Neuday
  38. black sea says:
    @22pp22

    “The great question that has never been answered, and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my thirty years of research into the feminine soul, is ‘What does a woman want? ‘”

    — Sigmund Freud

  39. I’m well on my way to becoming a genetic dead-end. My main consolation is that we live in a multiverse of infinite possibilities. In at least one universe, I’ve sired more spawn than Genghis Khan.

    That being said, if anyone is looking for a donor, I’m available. I’ll be happy to send you pictures of attractive men who I claim to resemble.

    • LOL: Cato
    • Replies: @Alden
  40. Trinity says:

    Most rockers are butt ugly. Mick Jagger, the aforementioned Steven Tyler, Steve Perry, etc. Some are good looking, no homo of course. Guys like Michael McDonald of the Doobies when he was younger of course. Speaking of great hair btw. Dude had great hair, great beard and a great voice but he turned grey then white haired overnight it seemed. Elvis without a doubt. Best looking female rockers?

    Joan Jett if she had more curves, beautiful face when she was younger but the body of a 12 year old male stamp collector. Some of the sexiest eyes that I have ever seen.

    Linda Ronstadt when she was younger of course, like Jett, beautiful eyes.
    Stevie Nicks. Witchy Woman and once again I love the eyes.
    Pat Benatar? too fucking tiny but decent looking.
    Carrie Underwood, country singer not a rocker but some beautiful legs. Cue: Hot Legs by Rod Stewart

  41. Rosie says:
    @black sea

    ‘What does a woman want? ‘”

    If you have to ask, you’re not it.

    Here’s a clue: Women want a man who’s not always asking what women want in a man. The very question indicates a lack of substance.

    Would you want a woman who thinks of nothing but how to be what men want her to be?

    Come to think of it, nevermind. Don’t answer that.

    https://biblehub.com/matthew/6-32.htm

    • Replies: @black sea
    , @22pp22
  42. Malla says:
    @black sea

    What does a woman want?

    At its core, Money and Dick. LOL
    Or Good sex + Security. Financial security, emotional security, physical security, a man who takes all the final decisions so the woman does not have to take responsibility of things etc… A man (who they believe rightly or wrongly) can provide them these.
    Looks matter too up to some extent.

  43. @black sea

    Freud never researched anything in his life.

    • Agree: Alden, kaganovitch
  44. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    How hereditary is the urge to go down to the sperm bank and have 1000 kids? If it’s fairly heritable, that might aggregate into something big over a number of generations.

    It could be an example of what’s called “kleptogyny” in evolutionary biology, or more colloquially, the “sneaky f*cker” strategy:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptogyny#Costs

    A lower-cost alternative mating strategy, useful to bachelors without a harem, is kleptogyny or the “sneaky fucker strategy”,[a][17] sneaking in to mate while the harem owner is distracted: in the case of red deer, when the harem stag is involved in a fight with another older stag.[17] The strategy is also recorded in the elephant seal.[18]

    The sperm donors are able to avoid direct competition with other men for harem access, and it’s as low-cost a strategy as it gets, since the donors get paid for their donations and don’t have to pay for raising the kids.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Desiderius
  45. Malla says:
    @22pp22

    I have tried asking women what they want.

    Women know shit what they want. They are controlled by MOTHER NATURE more then their brains most of the time, like an army of automons controlled by some Mother Nature Super Computer. But at the same time, women have their particular preferences and “types” too in men they find attractive. Ask the Cassinova types, they know what women want or how to deal with women effectively.
    Also they want a man who is not primarily running after women ” as their prime goal but a man running after his dreams. That does not mean do not chase women or da “woman of your dreams”, but go after what you like, your career,hobbies,interests etc…primarily. Chasing women should be a side thing for a man.

  46. Anonymous[619] • Disclaimer says:

    Few in the 21st Century imagined that world history would come to be dominated by the struggle between the Watson and Meijer Superclans.

    There might not be much of a struggle if the future population is largely descended from “sneaky f*ckers” who avoided direct mano a mano competition with other men. There might be lots of guys with nice hair who never go bald though.

  47. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    Indeed. Marilyn Manson is an ugly, weird looking freak with sick fetishes and is abusive to women, but apparently he’s irresistible to beautiful women, even in his 50s. Must be that musical ability.

    If women only liked freaky musicians with sick fetishes, you’d have a point. Since that’s not the case, you don’t.

    • Replies: @Anon
  48. anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22

    I have tried asking women what they want.

    Oh, glasshoppah! They want you to Just Get It. Don’t ask!

    black sea quotes:

    “The great question that has never been answered, and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my thirty years of research into the feminine soul, is ‘What does a woman want? ‘”–Sigmund Freud

    Demonstrating that ultimately Sigmund was just another Average Frustrated Chump. Although he did have a good press agent, apparently.

    But Sigmund’is nephew, Ed Bernays…he understood women much better, and he proved it to a tobacco company for a very nice payday.

    https://www.oxfordpresents.com/ms/kelleher/edward-bernayss-torches-of-freedom/

    Bernays called friends at Vogue magazine to get a list of debutantes. Then he had his secretary, Bertha Hunt, sign and send a personalized telegram to each one. Think direct-messaging; 1930’s style:

    “IN THE INTERESTS OF EQUALITY OF THE SEXES AND TO FIGHT ANOTHER SEX TABOO I AND OTHER YOUNG WOMEN WILL LIGHT ANOTHER TORCH OF FREEDOM BY SMOKING CIGARETTES WHILE STROLLING ON FIFTH AVENUE EASTER SUNDAY. WE ARE DOING THIS TO COMBAT THE SILLY PREJUDICE THAT THE CIGARETTE IS SUITABLE FOR THE HOME, THE RESTAURANT, THE TAXICAB, THE THEATER LOBBY, BUT NEVER NO NEVER FOR THE SIDEWALK. WOMEN SMOKERS AND THEIR ESCORTS WILL STROLL FROM FORTY-EIGHTH STREET TO FIFTY-FOURTH STREET ON FIFTH AVENUE BETWEEN ELEVEN-THIRTY AND ONE O’CLOCK.”

    It worked. Bernays reported that the event made front-page news in both photos and text and opened editorial debates in the weeks that followed in publications from coast to coast. As evidence of his success he cited newspaper reports in Massachusetts, Michigan, California, and West Virginia that women were smoking on the streets. “Age-old customs, I learned, could be broken down by a dramatic appeal, disseminated by the network of media.” While Bernays’ strategy was mostly intuitive and his reasoning was mostly theoretical, the case illustrates the power of public relations tactics as powerful tools for persuasion.

    Also see:

    https://yourstory.com/2014/08/torches-of-freedom?utm_pageloadtype=scroll

    Bernays would understand what is being done with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. perfectly.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
  49. Rosie says:
    @James Speaks

    I think it’s more primal than that. . Women want to be impregnated by the alpha male, and when onstage, rock stars are the alpha male. Except Boy George. I don’t know what he was. Lamba male, perhaps.

    This is the problem with female hypergamy theory. It explains everything and nothing.

    Like big meathead jocks?

    Hypergamy.

    Musicians?

    Hypergamy.

    Big-brained nerdy professional guys?

    Hypergamy.

    Common, tattooed street thugs?

    Hypergamy.

    It’s hypergamy all the way down.

  50. Momus says:
    @Wilkey

    Rock musicians entertain many people sometimes in huge crowds.

    Women see this popularity as pre selection, social proof, high status, command of resources which is instinctively attractive.

    • Agree: Polistra
    • Replies: @James Speaks
  51. Trinity says:

    If women love great hair, why is it that Sophia Loren, one of the sexiest women in her prime that I have ever seen IMO, married some dude as bald as a cucumber. lololol.

    • Replies: @JoetheHun
    , @R.G. Camara
  52. JimB says:

    This confirms my theory that ugly people are the result of feminine women desiring to be with masculine men and vice versa. When they procreate, the result is either a girl with some masculine features or a boy with some feminine features. In either case, two 10s produce somewhere in the range of 3 to 7. So, if a somewhat masculine woman wants a handsome test tube son, she picks a masculine looking sperm donor. If she prefers a beautiful daughter, she picks a guy who looks fay. I’m not exactly sure what the punnet square looks like, but I suspect pretty women and fay guys always produce good looking kids. Masculine men can have good looking sons with either masculine or feminine looking women, but almost always have horror show looking daughters. Like Bruce Willis (masculine) and Demi Moore (somewhat masculine) matching up to produce Rumer (ack!).

    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
  53. black sea says:
    @Rosie

    I think your questions would be better directed to Dr. Freud.

  54. Anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Something is attracting all these beautiful women to Marilyn Manson. I don’t think it’s because he’s physically repulsive. I also don’t think it’s because he has sick fetishes and is abusive.

    Perhaps it’s his music, but most people think his music is terrible.

    Why do you think all these beautiful women are attracted to him?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  55. Anonymous[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    This is the problem with female hypergamy theory. It explains everything and nothing.

    Try to find a general law that explains and covers the various cases you enumerate. That’s part of what science is all about.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  56. Travis says:

    Not even a global pandemic can stop the Sperminator. Ari Nagel, the 44-year-old serial sperm donor is still doing what he does best: getting women pregnant and growing his “family.” Since the coronavirus gripped the US in March, he has welcomed five more kids into the world — bringing the total to 64. He met with four women in his home borough of Brooklyn and shared his seed with them. He’s also traveling the country to help out busy baby mamas. “Now that flights are so cheap, women are coming out of the woodwork,” said Nagel, whose global requests almost always come with a free plane ticket.

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/not-even-a-pandemic-can-stop-the-sperminator-from-spreading-his-seed/

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  57. Alden says:
    @Thoughts

    Women want beautiful attractive daughters. Not hideous hulking creatures like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis Russell Crowe etc. Genes normally go grandparent to opposite sex child to same sex grandchild.

    Handsome husbands or sperm donors produce good looking daughters. I’m in favor of producing more good looking blue eyed blondes in this world before we’re totally bred out of existence

    Miscegenation is miscegenation, whether it’s the Crown Princess of Manchuria or some black Alabama retard thug.

    Good for this guy and may his sperm produce many more beautiful blondes or at least light browns.

    For most women the sexiest man is a pretty boy tough guy. Brad Pitt Colin Farrell Kevin Bacon Mel Gibson types.

    It’s men who think the ugly hulks like Russell Crowe Bruce Willis Arnold Schwarzenegger etc are attractive

    I suppose the thread will degenerate into the usual I hate women I’m glad Tessa Majors is dead Epstein is totally innocent if any crime by the White women haters

  58. @Rosie

    Just watched the Netflix series on “The Night Stalker” Richard Ramirez. Apparently he was quite attractive to many women after he was arrested for his serial killings and rapes including rapes of children and the elderly. So no risk of some women being attracted only to sane men.

    On the other hand, most women are attracted to cash flow, which makes actual evolutionary sense.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
  59. Daniel H says:

    He’s kind of weird looking. Does not look intelligent despite the nice golden hair

    I suspect he will be bald by the time he is 33.

    Once teen idol Leif Garrett.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  60. @Mike Tre

    In the category of Ugly Daughters of Rock Stars there is also Amanda Aday, the daughter of Meat Loaf, who looks exactly like you think the daughter of Meat Loaf would look. He also claims Pearl Aday as his daughter, but she is his stepdaughter and is conventially attractive. She is married to Scott Ian of Anthrax.

    Let’s see if you can guess who is whom

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  61. @JimB

    Rumer Willis is just an example of reversion to the mean.

    Bruce Willis is certainly masculine. To call the young Demi Moore even somewhat masculine is perverse. I’ll grant you that the current edition is a disaster of excessive plastic surgery, but she was a great beauty in her dewy teenage years. I wouldn’t say their daughter is repulsive, but she doesn’t compare to her mother at the same age.

    Another example of reversion to the mean is Gwyneth Paltrow, the daughter of the divine Blythe Dinner. Not ugly, but not as pretty as her mother by any stretch of the imagination.

  62. Derbyshire had it right: We are doomed!

  63. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    Try to find a general law that explains and covers the various cases you enumerate. That’s part of what science is all about.

    Except that your proposed “general law” is either trivial (i.e. women are attracted to outstanding men) or unfalsifiable (all female attraction can be characterized as “hypergamy” such that the term has no substance).

  64. Alden says:
    @Stan Adams

    I would never trust a sperm bank. God only knows what lies they and the donors make. I’d find a blonde handsome STEM college student and hope for conception.

    I took my first look at my Nordic goddess future mother in law and a thought just flashed. I want daughters that look like that. And I got a Botticelli Primavera family. We should have had ten to help preserve the White race.

    I’ve noticed that along with all their other weird sexual hang ups, the White Women Hating Men of UNZ like ugly hulk men. And despise good looking men as effeminate and gay. Women go for Brad Pitt and Mel Gibson, neither of whom are effeminate and gay. . Men go for ugly Russell Crowe and Bruce Willis.

    I’m familiar with animal breeding . It would take about 150 years to breed back to beauty.

  65. Alden says:
    @black sea

    What women don’t want is the kind of men who comment in UNZ.

    • LOL: Rosie
    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  66. Abe says:

    Chad Jonathan Jacob Meijer. Virgin John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt (your name ain’t no-one’s name, bitch!)

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  67. Escher says:
    @DextersLabRat

    Won’t that make the world less diverse, though?

  68. anon[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    I would never trust a sperm bank.

    Surely you are post-menopausal and therefore it doesn’t matter…

    I’m familiar with animal breeding .

    …oh, of course you are.

    Never mind.

  69. Lurker says:
    @danand

    Mrs Weston looks pretty cute.

  70. Sean says:
    @anonymous


    https://bookstr.com/article/an-ode-to-fabio-romance-novel-king/

    What sold? His hair was long, but not often blond, so that is not all that much of a selling point. Did have blue eyes, but they were rather narrowed. He has narow lips and didn’t show his teeth; the expression when not glowering lust was more of a wolfish smirk than a smile lighting up his face. His jaw was lantern and face long. Six foot three inches in height with a extremely lean yet massively muscular upper torso and arms.

    Male infertility for the reason of androgen insufficiency is more common in Denmark than any other country. I think the sperm donation medical infrastructure is much better developed there, and having children that way of more common and accepted. Being a sperm donor is too I expect so there is a much greater range to choose from.

    Presumably women want what their DNA makes them want. There are two ways to go, because a man who gives son that can attract nubile women is very different to the one likely father a beautiful daughter. In a world in which they won’t starve and assuming some proven social skills in the man (not an outcast loner) AOTBE women focus on a man who will give them a son who can father many, many children. Tall dark, handsome and definitely not balding (male pattern baldness was somewhat associated with homosexuality in a genetic study) is the jackpot for a woman’s DNA. Some women are not very good at actuating their DNA’s intentions of course, and some women are attracted to bald dwarfs, but then some are attracted to other women. Most females will not be all that keen on a man who would produce a beautiful daughter as compared to son who would break hearts.

    The most beautiful daughter in the world is not going to have all that many children. Sperm donors are the Sexy Son hypothesis writ large, because the male world record for having the most children was alway a much higher number for men than women. Prior to artificial insemination the record was certainly in the thousands. This would be one of a number of Oriental potentates who had vast harems.

    Back in the 1980s there was a confirmed story that a New York banker had fathered 8000 children as a sperm donor. His selling point? An IQ of 180.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anonymous
  71. @Alden

    East Asian and half-Asian women were ranked as more attractive than women of Northwestern European descent across multiple studies conducted from the early 2000s-2018.

    • Replies: @Robertus
  72. Lurker says:
    @22pp22

    A friend of mine was trying the internet dating thing. I remember him exasperated over the pickiness of the parameters set by women he was matched with. “Women, they don’t know what they fuck they want” he sighed one day.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  73. Polistra says:
    @Rosie

    Just about anything can be spun to justify hysterical woman-hatred

    As in: ‘The hatred of hysterical women.’ Yeah, that’s gotta stop now.

  74. Polistra says:
    @Anon

    He looks vain, promiscuous and brain-dead, if not evil.

    Agreed. I wouldn’t want his genes in my pool.

    Mr Sailer is baiting his readers.

    Or maybe just having a little fun. No reason to get upset.

  75. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    It’s a question of numbers. With enough market exposure, you can find a handful of buyers for just about anything.

    • Replies: @Anon
  76. Polistra says:
    @danand

    Has anyone done a study of how many unwitting half-siblings there are out there, hooking up, marrying, whatever? Along with sperm banks there’s the ghetto, and NBA spawn, as mentioned upthread.

    We need blood tests again, but they were only required for marriage in an age when people actually tended to marry.

  77. anon[493] • Disclaimer says:

    And this guy’s wavy long blond hair and white teeth sets women’s hearts to racing about how their daughter would be the belle of the ball.

    It would make sense.

    In an environment where the women don’t require provisioning from the fathers of their children, and where men don’t compete directly against each other for access to women, there would be relaxed selection for male traits for provisioning and for competing and defending against other men. There would be a shift in focus by women towards traits that would help their daughters.

  78. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    It’s a question of numbers. With enough market exposure, you can find a handful of buyers for just about anything.

    It’s not a question of numbers because these aren’t a random, average women. They’re beautiful, model and actress types, years younger than Manson, some decades younger. In the prime of their lives.

    I know plenty of regular Joes that are much better looking and have much better personalities than Manson that would never get the time of day from such women.

    Something is attracting these beautiful women to Manson. Whatever it is, you don’t see the same sort of thing in the opposite direction. Generally speaking, you never see young handsome men being attracted to older women who are, like Manson, physically and personally repulsive.

  79. Daniel H says:
    @anon

    Smoking has always been a deal breaker for me regards to women. They way I see it, smoking reduces a women’s attractiveness by 7 points on the 0 to 10 point scale of sex appeal.

    • Agree: Ian Smith
  80. Thoughts says:
    @Alden

    Trust me when I say this….women want white (but not albino) 6′ + blue eyed men with either black/brown/blonde hair who hulk above all the rest of the itty bitty men…and have gorgeous Romanesque profiles with strong jawlines

    Trust me.

    Women on the pill want weird feminine rock star losers like the guy in the photo.

    Steve Updated his Post…the second guy is more masculine, so I Get That…he’s a good looking man

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  81. Dumbo says:
    @Rosie

    There is probably no better single indicator of overall fitness than musical ability.

    LOL. Women (and in particular these type of women) don’t care about music, they care about FAME. They like “rock stars” because they command huge crowds and are FAMOUS. Having lots of MONEY doesn’t hurt either. Musical ability??? I mean most of these guys can barely play one note on a guitar and belch stupid lyrics about “love”.

    If “musical ability” was what women wanted, there would be lines of young women crazy to marry the nerdiest classical violinist at the Julliard School. LOL, LOROLOL.

    “What women want” – the problem is, “what women want” is very different from “what women say or think they want”, as anyone who has had any relationship with women anywhere can attest. I say, don’t try to give women what they want (it’s impossible), give them what they NEED.

    • Agree: tyrone
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Paperback Writer
  82. 22pp22 says:
    @Rosie

    I live be renting out properties. Over the years I have rented out to all kinds. You would be surprised how many women who get they heads smashed through the wall go back for more – again and again and again. The men they “love” are neither handsome nor intelligent nor kind.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @anon
  83. @Sean

    I was behind Fabio in the checkout line at the grocery store once. He wasn’t as awesome as Geoffrey Holder, but he looked like he was having a blast being Fabio.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  84. @Daniel H

    The picture on the left looks like Linda Hamilton.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  85. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:

    The only bank where you leave a deposit, but can never make a withdrawal.

  86. @Alden

    From what pop psychology I’ve read you’re correct to say women tend to prefer less burly men while men admire burly (I prefer the word burly to bulky). But I would like to protest that Russell Crowe was gorgeous when he was young, as was Mel Gibson. They both aged badly but that’s not uncommon in burly men. Both men and women are more likely to age well if they have fine bones.

    The Hemsworth brothers manage to be both big and handsome. The viking type can carry off the combination better than others.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  87. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    Reminds me of the old story of George Bernard Shaw and Isadora Duncan.

    • Agree: I, Libertine
  88. I’ve found that most women behave very much like spoiled children, but I don’t hate them for it.
    On the contrary – it’s part of their charm.
    Just be sure you never put one in charge of anything important.

  89. @Anon

    Manson is famous. If you pair up with a famous man, you too will be famous.

    It’s like gold-digging, except you’re primarily leeching off fame rather than wealth. Though I assume these women probably leeched off a substantial amount of his wealth as well.

    Manson probably also made introductions and helped get them roles in the industry.

    An average guy doesn’t have as much to offer. The average guy also doesn’t work in a highly competitive industry in which highly sexual young women are desperate for fame and connections.

  90. @Steve Sailer

    Back in the 90s-2000s when Conan O’Brien was doing his Late Night show on NBC at 12:35 AM (right after Leno), Conan deliberately sought out niche celebrities who were “uncool” to his audience and put them on and actually had some great banter with them.

    This is where the Chuck Norris lever started out, but Conan also got guys like Abe Vigoda and Al Roker on. Conan simultaneously came off as if he were mildly mocking them but also genuinely respected them during interviews, and had some great moments. Conan was at his best when he was interviewing niche or minor celebrities, because it gave him far more leeway to ask weird questions and play into them; Will Ferrell, when he was new to SNL but before he got huge, made his interviews with O’Brien priceless. With bigger celebrities, however, Conan tended to be more straitjacketed and boring.

    Anyway, one such niche, “uncool” celebrity was Fabio. By then, Fabio was fully aware he was a punchline to anyone who wasn’t into romance novels (so 99% of the country, and 100% of Conan’s audience), but he just didn’t care; he had money and permanent fame and clearly enjoyed. He came on with his mane hanging off his shoulders and dressed like he was about to get into a Lamborghini and go to a club with a model and just enjoyed it all. Conan even implied that, outside the show, the two had become friends and hung out, which is an odd couple pairing if you imagine it. I genuinely started liking Fabio from these encounters, as he seemed to know exactly where he stood in the world and liked it.

    Conan’s best exchange with Fabio was the following:

    Conan: “Fabio, how long have you ever gone without a date?”

    Fabio: (thinking seriously) “Two weeks.”

    The audience exploded.

    • Replies: @black sea
  91. @anon

    LOL. No. That’s why they have so many “baby mamas.”

    Most of these pro athletes have no standard and no self-control. They often get seduced by hookers who wait in hotel lobbies and go up to the player’s suite for “free.” Then they’re on the hook for child support for 18 years.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  92. @photondancer

    In the Marvel superhero movies (the MCU for those more geekified), I am continuously surprised at how much more popular Thor is with female fans than Captain America. This is despite the fact that Cap is just as muscular as Thor when they do the obligatory shirtless scenes in their movies.

    As one female described it, Captain America is too goody twoshoes and beta boyfriend material, while Thor is the rougher, arrogant bad boy who pushes people around.

    The palpable hate that Fat Thor engendered in Avengers: Endgame from the females in the audience was something to behold. When he revealed his pot belly and undefined muscular features, ever female in the movie theater (remember those?) audibly booed.

  93. theMann says:

    Men and women both engage in a selective mating process to the best of their ability, and as a rule, the first trait sought after is physical beauty, on both sides. Net result, humanity’s single constant for selective breeding is beauty. I dont think this is a bad thing – if you could go back in time and film a crowd from 3000 years ago, you would likely be flabbergasted at how butt-ugly the average person was.

    Beautiful, hard-working, intelligent means you get to select for beautiful, hard-working, intelligent. Otherwise, what is the point, really?

    • Agree: Alden
  94. @Rosie

    Maybe he was never a hearthrob because of his notoriously introverted personality. Seems like the girls mostly went for hyper-extrovert drummer Lars Ulrich, whom I always suspected bullied Hetfield into giving him half of the songwriting credit on any song that Metallica wrote. In reality, Metallica’s songwriting is at least 80 percent Hetfield.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Mike Tre
  95. Some years ago I knew a girl who was a huge true-crime buff. She had a particular interest in the Columbine massacre.

    While researching the shooting, I discovered that one of the shooters, Eric Harris, had numerous “fans” – almost all female, mostly teenagers but some in their 20s and 30s. One thirtysomething fan achieved notoriety by posting bizarre YouTube videos proclaiming her undying love for the 18-year-old mass murderer. (They have since been removed.)

    When I asked my friend why these women idolized him, she said, “Because Eric was hot.”

    Was he, really?

    [MORE]

    Not in an absolute sense, perhaps. But compared to other school shooters … yes, he was somewhat more physically attractive than most of them, including his partner in crime:

    There are no Adam Lanza “fangirls”:

    Seung-Hui Cho has never been described as “hot”:

    Nikolas Cruz is not lionized on Tumblr:

    James Holmes does have groupies (“Holmsies”). He is not handsome by conventional standards, but evidently some chicks go for the penetrating psychopathic scare:

    Women are strange creatures, indeed.

  96. Dumbo says:
    @Thoughts

    Maybe the problem is that we as a society give too much attention to “what women want”?

    I mean, if all women “want” a tall, blond, muscular, young, rich, strong, brave, famous white man, clearly there won’t be enough of them for everybody… 😀

    I think “what women want” is (as I read somewhere) “Devils that look like Angels” (i.e. good-looking “bad boys”). From that perspective, Ted Bundy would be the ideal sperm donor. LOL.

    However, what type of women want or need sperm donors? I would guess, either sterile couples, women who couldn’t marry, or lesbians. So it’s a different group.

    Better to marry young and have lot of natural kids with a good hard-working man.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Thoughts
    , @anon
  97. @Anon

    Status and money. Many (not all) women will try to get their hands on some of that if they have the opportunity. Why not?

    Your question as to why we don’t see the reverse is a good one. Of course, men underestimate just how often this is done. Marrying the boss’ daughter is a trope that goes back a long way. I also think you’ve loaded the dice somewhat by using the word ‘attract’. Are all these women genuinely attracted to Manson, or are they holding their noses, as it were, and putting up with him in order to get their hands on some of that money and status? Ugly rich women have their hangers on and toadies too. Maybe it’s just that women are less likely to go to bed with toadies than men are? But I’m a huge fan of Somerset Maugham and his stories have quite a few women being silly over men on the make, so who knows. It’s a question that needs some serious research in my opinion.

    By the by, I see posters here all the time holding up models as epitomes of beauty, even though a lot of catwalk models have weird faces and are chosen for that reason (as well as their lanky bodies, of course).

  98. @JohnnyWalker123

    For black guys, its really any port in a storm. I mean, if you just look at black women in general, the only guys fiending for that are other blacks. Pushing interracial dating, premarital sex, and easy divorce has really hurt black women, since they are at the bottom of the barrel and black men will abscond in a heartbeat.

    • Replies: @anon
  99. @22pp22

    Husband to sulking wife: What’s wrong, dear?
    Wife: Nothing.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • LOL: R.G. Camara
  100. Here’s what women want.

    -Tall (preferably 6’0-6’2)
    -Strong jawline
    -Moderately strong chin
    -Aesthetic and symmetric face
    -Long head
    -Long&straight nose
    -Medium or large eyes
    -Lustrous, thick hair (even better if you have curls)
    -Youthful, pretty skin with no blemishes
    -Manicured nails
    -Lean physique (moderately low body fat)
    -Defined and moderate-sized muscles
    -Portruding chest (pecs) and butt (gluteas)
    -Flat stomach and no love handles
    -Straight, white teeth
    -Minimal body hair (especially on back, shoulders, hands)
    -Clean shaven

    So women want a man who’s a combination of masculine and feminine. Masculine build/frame, but with feminine features. Like Channing Tatum.

    Or Brady Quinn.

  101. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Also consider the progeny of Billy Joel and Christie Brinkley, or even for that matter Peter Sellers and Britt Ekland.

    In both cases, the daughters of the union, took after the strong featured dark coloring genetics of their Mediterranean/Ashkenazi fathers rather than the delicate blondness of their mothers, much to the daughters chagrin.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  102. Could it be that escaping from monogamy was the ultimate aim of Feminism?

  103. @R.G. Camara

    I’m not surprised. Who wants a fat Thor? Ugh.

    You’re probably right about Captain America. I can’t get into Superman for the same reason. Goody twoshoes aren’t attractive to women (though they will marry them), whereas men want the girl next door. Men who fall for bad women are considered fools by both sexes, whereas women will secretly cheer on the woman pursuing a bad boy. Interesting dichotomy. Sarah Hrdy has done some good research on this.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  104. @Rosie

    You are a dummy. You act like all those things are radically different and therefore no general principle can be derived to prove that women are hypergamous. Actually, all those types of guys you mention have one thing in common: higher status compared to the average man.

    You know what women do *not* like? Plumbers. Street vagrants. Bus drivers. Janitors. Coal miners.

    Types of men women *do* like: rock stars, 7-figure Wall Street guys, pro jocks, movie stars, successful doctors and lawyers, etc.

    See the pattern? What is the cmmon denominator? In one word: *staus* . It’s all about status to women.

    Women *are* universally hypergamous. From the star quaterback in high school that they all wanted as teenagers while not giving average boys the time of day, to the high-salary CEOs, celebrities and rich lawyers they go after when they come of age. Disprove me by pointing out women that have the hots for janitors, bus drivers and street vagrants. You can’t

  105. black sea says:
    @R.G. Camara

    I genuinely started liking Fabio from these encounters, as he seemed to know exactly where he stood in the world and liked it.

    Italian men often have a certain shamelessness which manages to combine exaggerated self-regard with the ability to laugh at themselves. This tends to be charming, and, I would imagine, lots of women find it especially attractive.

  106. El Dato says:
    @Stan Adams

    > Psychopathic Tool User uses Tool (an exceedingly complex one at the end of a very long production chain, to)
    > Women find Tool User hot.

    So far, so caveman!

    What about “girls with guns” though?

    OT:

    Claims of Silicon Valley bias are ‘disinformation’, say researchers relying on disgraced partisan ‘experts’ and Big Tech itself

    That’s all pretty funny if it weren’t so abysmally sad gaslighting,

  107. R’n’R is at its core a – hard to miss this point, really, its sufficient to have a glance at the telling name of that phenomenon – fertility cult (Geerman novelist and humorist and opera-aficionado Eckhard Henscheid said that). Now – a rock-guitarist (the front-man of a band) is up there with Alexander the Great or Dschengis Khan in that category of personal offspring. – Venus is not necessarily following Mars. At times, the representative of the warrior (the one who – to speak here with Friedrich von Schiller – embodies the shine of it) is more successful than the original.
    (I know, I know, there are lots of – holes – in my reasoning. I know that.)

  108. @Alden

    I might interject here that I find the young Mickey Rourke to have been a male ideal. I guess I tend to favor my own bunch because I find Richard Harris,Peter O’Toole (gasp!), Tyrone
    Power and such to be the most enviable.
    Note: Girls,you are free to debate anything you see fit,but your opinions would be taken more seriously if you’d cut out the requiste name calling. Misogynist,Woman Hating Men blah blah blah. Cant we all get along,other half of the sky,yada yada yada.

    Addendum: I love James Woods. Women must really love him. Most of his characters are such slimeballs,and psychos. And most of his characters seem to be Jewish. I understand he is a goy. There must be some type of Jew competitive thing,where Woods is cast to suggest some Hollywood macher that is disliked by his fellow Yids.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  109. Anon[790] • Disclaimer says:
    @ScarletNumber

    (((Scott Ian))) . Multi-millionaire Midget.

    • Agree: Rosie
  110. @photondancer

    And yet boys universally admire Captain America and Superman. Even Jerry Seinfeld—noted for being heartless, uncaring, and morally indifferent on Seinfeld and in his act—has a famous admiration of Superman’s nobility.

    The MCU even made this a running joke, how so many of the guys in the films fall to pieces man-crushing about Captain America — even guys who are jaded e.g. Agent Coulson, Howard Stark, Ant-Man.

    Men truly admire noble behavior. Women abhor it and find it disgusting. Tells you something about morality right there.

    Superman’s romance with Lois Lane is one of the more difficult ones to work in comic books, because a cynical reporter like Lane would be slutting around with dirtbags every moment and would find Clark and Superman too morally upright to give her the tingles. She’s just too trashy for someone like Kal-El.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @photondancer
  111. You know who was really good,and so underrated? Dustin Diamond,aka Screetch.
    I wonder what he’s up to these days?

  112. Alden says:

    The gist of this thread is that the White women hating
    Men of UNZ think women should be attracted to coarse featured hulking ugly men like Bruce Willis and Russell Crowe because:

    1. The White woman hating Men of UNZ are themselves sexually attracted to ugly hulks.
    2. The White women hating Men of UNZ are themselves ugly hulks.

    LA Confidential is a favorite movie. But ugly Russell Crowe and Nordic Goddess Kim Basinger together is just gross and disgusting.

    There’s a theory that like marries like. Crazies marry crazies and produce crazies. Sensible , sane hard working middle class marries sensible sane hardworking middle class . And good looking married good looking and beauty marries beauty.

    Scandinavia, Ireland Germany Austria, Poland, Slavic countries centuries of beauties marrying beauties produced nations of beauties

  113. JoetheHun says:
    @Trinity

    Because that dude was a very successful movie producer….

  114. Alden says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Men like you don’t admire nobility. Some men, like you; like comic books into old age. Women hating middleaged men stuck in their mental and emotional development at age 9 reading comic books and watching cartoons and movies based on cartoons.
    That’s not men. That’s 9 year old boys in a pudgy middle aged body.

    • LOL: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  115. Alden says:

    Jonathan Meijer isn’t that good looking. His eyes are too small and his cheeks are too pudgy.

  116. @Alden

    lol.

    Men watched Westerns into their old age because they grew up as children loving them.

    But hey, try to pretend men liking things from their youth in the older years is a new thing.

    Also, your post could use some grammar edits, bub.

  117. @Trinity

    Fame and power are aphrodisiacs to women.

  118. El Dato says:

    OT: I case you are in urgent need of emptying your stomach and bowel contents via various orifices.

    Via this underwhelming Berkeley success stories (“we are dissolving into idiocracy and we like it”)

    we get something that is actually worse than paens to Madame Merkel in hunspeak written by her former classmates:

    Biden: Yellen needs a “Hamilton” musical. Dessa: Here you go.

    Evidently Black Woman singing (is Yellen considered Honorary Black btw?)

    VERSE 1
    Doves on the left
    Hawks on the right
    Crosstalk in the flock tryna [used for “trying to” in informal speech] fight mid-flight
    But here comes Yellen with that inside voice
    Never mind the mild manner, policies make noise
    She’s 5-foot nothing, but hand to God
    She can pop a collar, she can rock a power bob
    Bay Ridge represent!
    Brooklyn’s in the cabinet!
    Damn, Janet, go and get it —
    Fifth in line for president!
    She knows the kinda stimulus it takes to pass a buck [she sure does]
    I heard she called the housing crisis
    She’s qualified as ffff —
    It only took a couple centuries
    The first female secretary of the treasury

  119. @R.G. Camara

    “Men truly admire noble behavior. Women abhor it and find it disgusting”

    I’ve not seen any evidence of women being disgusted by nobility. They may be a bit bored by the man who has nothing but goodness to offer but that suggests the goodness is negative (i.e. the man lacks vices rather than being actively good). Women do admire men who are fighting for a cause, no matter what they look like. And most men, even if they aren’t Sir Gawains, end up married so women can’t be too disgusted by them.

    Conversely women are amused, even aroused, by the bad boy but only if he’s a rogue rather than a sadistic psychopath. Yes, I know there are a few strange people of both sexes who want to marry prisoners on death row but I surmise this is a sign they also are mentally ill. Like calls to like.

    P.S. it’s a long time since I’ve read Superman but I seem to recall Lois was indeed bored by Clark and found him humdrum compared to Superman.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @R.G. Camara
    , @Anon
  120. @R.G. Camara

    As one female described it, Captain America is too goody twoshoes and beta boyfriend material, while Thor is the rougher, arrogant bad boy who pushes people around.

    Captain America’s actor has an ugly face, simple as.

  121. Alden says:
    @Father O'Hara

    You think I give a rat’s ass what the childless womanless misogynist White Woman hating Men of UNZ think of my comments?

    You hate White women, I hate you right back. I’m a White Nationalist Advocate heterosexual. Blacks hate me because I’m White. I hate them right back. Hispanics hate me because I’m White I hate them right back. Gays and transgenders hate me because I’m a heterosexual I hate them right back. White hating liberals hate me because I’m a White Nationalist I hate them right back.

    I don’t try to convince the misogynist White women hating Men if UNZ of anything . I have disdain and contempt for the White women hatred on UNZ. Just as I have contempt and disdain for blacks Jews and liberals who hate Whites.

    Hate me I hate you right back. Make nasty comments about White woman I make nasty comments about you.

    Rejoice when black men murder or seriously injure White women; I despise you. Defend Jeffrey Epstein, Jewish man pimp of shiksa White girls as young as 12; I’ll defend the girls against you perverts. Some of the comments defending Epstein were the kind that warrant law enforcement attention .

    • Troll: HammerJack
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @Father O'Hara
  122. Alden says:
    @Father O'Hara

    I have followed Steve Sailor around the internet since the late 1990s. I followed him here from Vdare.

    First outburst of White women hating I read here was the Arab man bombing a concert in Manchester UK that killed and injured dozens. Virtually every comment approved of the murders of dozens of White women and girls by a non White man .

    Then a 50 year short thin 50 old White woman, Deborah something was chased out of a Popeyes in Kentucky by a 250 pound black man. He picked her up and slammed her down in the concrete breaking about 20 bones. And again, the misogynist White woman hating Men if UNZ just rejoiced that a black man seriously injured a White woman weighing 125 pounds less and 20 years older than he.

    Then Tessa Majors a young White woman murdered by 3 black boys 2 aged 13 1 14. And as per usual the misogynist White woman hating Men of UNZ defended the black boys who murdered a White woman and just danced for joy that a White woman was killed by black boys.

    Paul Kersey must moderate out the rejoicing when a White woman is murdered by a black man. I don’t see it on his blog.

    Jeffrey Epstein, thousands of comments defending the Jew pimp of underage shiksas as young as 12.

    Reasonable conclusion, the Men of UNZ applaud the murder and beatings of White women and girls by Arabs and blacks. Reasonable conclusion, the Men if UNZ applaud the prostitution of under age non Jewish girls by a Jew pimp.

    Hate me, I hate you right back. Make nasty comments about White women, I make nasty comments about you.

    BTW many of the comments are made by Mr Alden as well as Mrs Alden.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Malla
  123. El Dato says:
    @photondancer

    Here we go. Replace C3PO by your usual geek.

    • Replies: @photondancer
  124. @Rockford Tyson

    “Disprove me by pointing out women that have the hots for janitors, bus drivers and street vagrants.”

    Plenty of ski bums, surf bums, hippie bums can be attractive though. Maybe not so much as potential fathers?

    I once met a guy living in a converted removal van as part of a ‘hippy convoy’ who had a little harem sharing him. Lots of pretty women on the New Age scene.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age_travellers

    I knew a six foot three Oxbridge grad who donated a lot as a student when it was legal in the UK (i.e. no child support, no “right to know” the father) – those mothers got a pretty good deal judging by the guy’s own kids.

    How about this guy then?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9205291/How-one-ex-maths-teacher-fathered-116-children-sperm-donor.html

    OK, he’s 65 and balding. But he’s tall, still pretty fit (unlike some of the Hollywood tough guys), still not bad looking, obviously bright. There are the stats about older dads offspring though. And when the ‘official’ agencies charge so much, this guy charges £30.

    The UK imports at least 7,000 sperm samples a year, with a single vial, or ‘straw’, costing an average of £800.

    To guard against failure, since not every attempt succeeds, it is advised to import two vials, which come in nitrogen-cooled containers. Additional costs include transportation: a single transaction can be £1,500 to £2,000, while a round of IVF at a regulated clinic can cost a further £3,000.

    When he started, he was 58. ‘I didn’t think anyone would get in contact with me because of my age but they did, straight away. The first donation resulted in success.

    ‘More than anything, I do this because I want to help. How awful for these women, with no men around. I feel that morally I have to do it.

    ‘Sometimes it’s the only choice they have and they’re desperate for a baby. I’ve got something that means nothing to me but means everything to them.’ His wife took a different view and they are now separated, although still friends.

    Now he spends much of his time driving his van to deliver his sperm to recipients’ houses. ‘It’s a nice feeling, seeing the happiness you bring,’ says Clive. ‘It’s addictive.’

    He has met about ten children he has fathered this way, explaining: ‘I just want to know if the sperm has been successful and that’s it.’

  125. Alden says:
    @Rockford Tyson

    I doubt you’ve ever had a relationship with a woman in your life. Rosie and I don’t make endless comments about what type of men we like. Because we have husbands of our own, happily married. And even White children unlike most Men of UNZ

    You don’t have a woman. How can you possibly pontificate about what kind of men woman like?

    Obviously you must have the looks women don’t like.

    • Replies: @Rockford Tyson
  126. @DextersLabRat

    meet Jeffrey Epstein:
    3 startling takeaways from the New York Times’ report on Jeffrey Epstein, DNA obsession

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/01/jeffrey-epstein-new-york-times-details-dna-eugenics-interest/1886777001/

    [MORE]

    3 startling takeaways from the New York Times’ report on Jeffrey Epstein, DNA obsession
    Ryan W. Miller
    USA TODAY

    The disturbing fall of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted sex offender accused of sex trafficking young girls, took another turn Wednesday after the New York Times published a report of his desire “to seed the human race with his DNA.”

    The shocking report by the New York Times, based on interviews with more than a dozen of his acquaintances and public records, described how Epstein desired to curry favor with accomplished scientists “to pursue his interests in eugenics and other fringe fields like cryonics.”

    Epstein’s lawyers did not respond the Times’ requests for comments in the stor

    Here are three startling takeaways from the Times’ report:

    Epstein wanted to impregnate women at his New Mexico ranch
    According to the Times, Epstein began telling scientists and businessmen in the early 2000s about plans for his 33,000-square-foot compound in New Mexico.

    Epstein had “ambitions to use his New Mexico ranch as a base where women would be inseminated with his sperm and would give birth to his babies.” The Times cited two award-winning scientists and a financial adviser who said Epstein told them of his wish.

    Epstein told multiple people of the desire and the anonymous scientists and adviser said they were present at dinners and gatherings during which Epstein detailed the plan.

    Jaron Lanier, a pioneer in the field of virtual reality, told the Times that a NASA scientists, whose name he couldn’t remember, described to him how Epstein said he wanted up to 20 women at a time impregnated at his New Mexico property.

    Lanier also said he thought that Epstein used his lavish dinner parties “to screen candidates” to have his children.

    Epstein wanted to freeze his head and penis
    One area of genetic pseudoscience that particularly fascinated Epstein was cryonics.

    Proponents of cryonics, an unproven field, believe that freezing body parts after death can allow humans to come back to life once they are unfrozen.

    The Times, citing an unnamed “adherent of transhumanism,” reported that Epstein told the person that he wanted his head and penis frozen.

    Transhumanism is a broader field of thought concerning how the human race could improve with technologies like genetic engineering and artificial intelligence. It is often criticized as a modern kind of eugenics.

    Epstein donated a total of $120,000 to the Worldwide Transhumanist Association, now named Humanity Plus, and its vice chairman, the Times reported.

    Alan Dershowitz, a high-profile attorney who represented Epstein when he was accused of sex crimes in 2007, told the Times of a lunch during which Epstein “steered the conversation toward the question of how humans could be improved genetically.”

    Epstein hosted renowned scientists, including Stephen Hawking, at fancy dinners and island conferences
    To further his genetic goals, Epstein used his money and influence to be in the company of prominent scientists including Nobel prize winners.

    According to the Times, famed physicist Stephen Hawking was among the high-profile scientists who attended at least one of Epstein’s dinners or conferences:

    They included the Nobel Prize-winning physicist Murray Gell-Mann, who discovered the quark; the theoretical physicist and best-selling author Stephen Hawking; the paleontologist and evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould; Oliver Sacks, the neurologist and best-selling author; George M. Church, a molecular engineer who has worked to identify genes that could be altered to create superior humans; and the M.I.T. theoretical physicist Frank Wilczek, a Nobel laureate.

    The 2006 St. Thomas conference was said to be on the topic of gravity, but one participant told the Times that Epstein instead “wanted to talk about perfecting the human genome” and “was fascinated with how certain traits were passed on, and how that could result in superior humans.”

    Harvard cognitive psychologist Steven Pinker told the Times that he was invited by colleagues to gatherings Epstein hosted. Pinker called Epstein an “intellectual impostor.”

    “He would abruptly change the subject, A.D.D.-style, dismiss an observation with an adolescent wisecrack,” Pinker told the newspaper.

    Literary agent John Brockman first introduced Epstein to many scientists in hopes that he could provide funding for their work. Google founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page and Jeff Bezos were in attendance at one dinner, per the Times.

    Epstein was also thanked for financial support in Nobel Prize-winning physicist Murray Gell-Mann’s book “The Quark and the Jaguar.

  127. @Alden

    I hate you right back. I’m a White Nationalist Advocate heterosexual. Blacks hate me because I’m White. I hate them right back. Hispanics hate me because I’m White I hate them right back. Gays and transgenders hate me because I’m a heterosexual I hate them right back. White hating liberals hate me because I’m a White Nationalist I hate them right back.

    Hate me I hate you right back. Make nasty comments about White woman I make nasty comments about you.

    Why do you go so far out of your way to sound exactly like a five year old in the middle of a temper tantrum?

    • Replies: @Kylie
  128. Pericles says:
    @Alden

    Women go for Brad Pitt and Mel Gibson, neither of whom are effeminate and gay. . Men go for ugly Russell Crowe and Bruce Willis.

    As a MAN OF UNZ, I can understand your liking of Mel Gibson, who also seems to be of sound opinions, but Brad Pitt looks just a bit too much like a hollywood rent boy. Another one I don’t get is Leonardo di Caprio. Yet the young models still swarm him.

    How about Jack Nicholson, Robert de Niro, Marlon Brando or Al Pacino? Ugly or totally dreamy?

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  129. 3 laws of modern first world reproduction that no one likes.

    1) The Virgin family man who has 4 kids with one wife and 9 grandchildren is in fact more successful than the Chad game expert who has hundreds of sex partners and a single kid in there somewhere, unless the single kid has more children than the Virgin’s 4 kids do.

    2) The highest form of human reproduction in the modern era is the teen pregnancy. Two crazy kids who can’t keep their hands off each other are producing the most fit evolutionary specimens.

    3) The pathetic yuppie couples who … just … can’t… have … kids … no matter how hard they try have one consistent problem (assuming they aren’t too old). They don’t like each other and don’t have happy marriages! Exempted from this analysis are the fight-fight/f***-f*** marriages where they are either locked in passion or throwing lamps at each other.

    Correlary theory of marriage – the happiest marriages are the ones where the husband treats the wife like a beloved maid/nanny that he has sex with.

    As Mr. Sailer often observes, our society is plagued by smart women who either don’t have kids, a husband or looks, or some combo, who have figured out the above and hate the truth.

  130. Anon[249] • Disclaimer says:

    This other Dutch guy, a pudgy 6-3 eyeglass-wearing schlub from his photos, is less obvious as a sperm donor. He engages in “natural mating,” an insemination technique that uses the natural male turkey baster organ for penetration and seminal dispersion (previously he used the “cup method”),

    Is Ed Houben Europe’s most virile man?
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26636166

    Stud: How to Have 106 Babies (and Counting)
    https://www.gq.com/story/how-to-have-babies-sperm-donor-ed-houben

    ‘Sperminator’ with 99 kids shares his secrets
    https://nypost.com/2014/04/13/dutch-sperm-donor-has-fathered-99-kids-across-the-world/

    ‘You See All Kinds of Stuff’: A Conversation With Europe’s Most Prolific Sperm Donor
    https://www.newsweek.com/ed-houben-europes-most-prolific-sperm-donor-238662

    The Busy Life of a Prolific Sperm Donor
    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/an-in-depth-look-at-the-life-of-a-prolific-sperm-donor-a-827123.html

  131. What women?

    Marie Curie, Margaret Thatcher, Monica Lewinsky, ..?

    And, what men want?

    Andrew Wiles, Vladimir Putin, Thomas Pynchon, Martin Heidegger, …?

    These are, basically, meaningless questions.

    • Agree: Rosie
  132. Anon[249] • Disclaimer says:

    Geneticists can apparently see the genetic influence of Genghis Khan in the Y chromosomes of modern central Asians. And there are more Y-chromosome bottlenecks, as this article describes:

    Ten Other Men Left Genetic Legacies So Huge They Rival Genghis Khan’s
    A new study shows that 10 other men founded large Y-chromosome lineages

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/other-men-who-left-huge-genetic-legacies-likes-genghis-khan-180954052/

    Genghis Khan’s genetic legacy has competition
    https://www.nature.com/news/genghis-khan-s-genetic-legacy-has-competition-1.16767

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_from_Genghis_Khan

    1 in 200 Men Are Direct Descendants of Genghis Khan
    https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  133. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    The gist of this thread is that the White women hating
    Men of UNZ

    It’s called being red-pilled.

    White Western women have been vitiated by Western culture. They’re damaged goods. It’s sad but their irrational, gullible nature made them easy prey for the culture warriors.

    But even apart from this very big problem, HBD tells us hands down which women are the ideal wife/mother material. One only has to read the classic HBD work Race, Evolution, and Behavior by J. Philippe Rushton to see which women are the gold standard. Nb: white women are also-rans.

    HBD realist fathers need to give their sons something like the Derb talk when it comes to women. Tell them to avoid white females like the plague and wait to find a good wife from China/NE Asia.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Nico
  134. Rosie says:
    @Rockford Tyson

    You are a dummy. You act like all those things are radically different and therefore no general principle can be derived to prove that women are hypergamous. Actually, all those types of guys you mention have one thing in common: higher status compared to the average man.

    Right, so here is your Earth-shattering conclusion. Talented and/or successful men are more attractive (and get more desirable mates) than mediocre men. How very fascinating.

    It’s all about status to women.

    No, it isn’t. Read my lips. No royal ugly dudes.

    • Replies: @Rockford Tyson
  135. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    HBD realist fathers need to give their sons something like the Derb talk when it comes to women. Tell them to avoid white females like the plague and wait to find a good wife from China/NE Asia.

    Manosphere = race traitors.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian, jsm, Nico
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @jsm
  136. @Travis

    This is some freaky Jewish genetic obsession.

  137. @Dr. X

    More from The History of the 23rd Century:

    “Few in the 21st Century imagined that world history would come to be dominated by the struggle between the Watson and Meijer Superclans,” according to a report in The Daily Nagel.

    But not everyone saw things in this simple duality.

    “The Nagel clan is only 2% of the population, but somehow they own all the media and the big banks,” interjects Fabio Watson-Meijer. “Yet we’re not allowed to refer to them as a ‘Superclan’ or even to notice them as clan, and a clan that is so often working at cross-purposes to the majority!”

    For comment, we reached out to Ari Nagel-Sulzberger VII, patriarch of the Nagel Media empire:

    “The people who say this stuff are racist and antisemitic, really deplorable people,” he said. “My great great grandfather, Ari Garrick-Slobert-Nagel, was literally born on the floor of a Harlem homeless shelter. Everything he achieved in life he had to work for, including his marriage to Emma Goldman-Sachs. Really, all those redneck Watson-Meijers and Meijer-Watsons out there in flyover country should thank us for bringing the blessings of diversity into their boring whitebread lives. I mean, look at my family, the Nagel-Goldwyn-Mayers. We are truly global, with ancestors from every corner of the world: Brooklyn, Bronx, Manhattan, Beverly Hills, even Staten Island, Latvia, and Thailand, you name it!”

    What about Israel?

    “This interview is over!”

    • LOL: Gary in Gramercy
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  138. Spud Boy says:

    This is the logical result of pushing men out of the professional, high paying jobs that enable them to attract wives/mothers. The average, working man’s sperm is now not good enough for the female, corporate Powerpoint slide maker.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  139. Rosie says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Maybe he was never a hearthrob because of his notoriously introverted personality.

    Maybe, but I think quiet guys have a certain mystique all their own.

    Being an ENTP, I swing wildly from extroverted to introverted. (Think Jack Skellington, the life of the party one night, holed up in his apartment contemplating the mystery of Christmas the next.) In retrospect, I think it was inevitable that I would marry an introvert. They’re usually, but not always, more interesting.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  140. tyrone says:
    @Rosie

    “There is probably no better single indicator of overall fitness than musical ability.”…..only when it comes with money,power, fame…….good looks and a winning personality help too……and the bad boy thing ….that’s a thing too.

    • Disagree: Rosie
  141. “Unlicensed sperm donor.”

    Aren’t we all.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  142. @Pericles

    How about Jack Nicholson, Robert de Niro, Marlon Brando or Al Pacino? Ugly or totally dreamy?

    I can’t speak for Jack Nicholson, Robert de Niro or Marlon Brando, but regarding Al Pacino: When I was a young man back in seminary school, my kissy-face partner du jour would often say, “You look like Al Pacino.” Not really getting this whole female fantasizing thing as a prelude to bliss, I would often respond with, “Oy vey!” Guess I was subconsciously going for the Dustin Hoffman vote, and I mean Rain Man and not The Graduate. Besides, plastics are overrated.

  143. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Mostly peaceful, undocumented sperm donor …

  144. @Rosie

    I swing wildly from extroverted to introverted.

    Chandeliers or vines? Asking for a friend.

    • LOL: additionalMike
  145. Jewish fertility doctor caught substituting his own sperm to clients. Offspring carried physical resemblance.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/fertility-norman-barwin-disciplinary-hearing-1.5183711

  146. pirelli says:

    Slightly OT: NYT calls out new book on Queen Kamala for lèse majesté, says the Willie Brown stories “feel misplaced.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/01/books/review/kamalas-way-dan-morain.html

    “He details Harris’s liaison with the self-described ‘Ayatollah of the Assembly’ and former San Francisco mayor, Willie Brown. Harris dated Brown in 1994 and 1995, splitting with him after his election as mayor. He was 30 years her senior. But the numerous stories about Brown feel misplaced, distracting from what should have been a tighter focus on Harris herself.

    Harris’s career took off during the 1990s…”

    • LOL: HammerJack
  147. @Rosie

    We have some seriously different tastes, Rosie. That dude looks pock-marked, flabby, and dim-witted. Sorry, I have no idea who he is… Metallica is a rock band from the 90’s?…and I’m sure a haircut would help a lot but he has zero SA. Men should never wear tank tops unless they’re actively playing a sport requiring it (basketball or track).

  148. @Intelligent Dasein

    Thank you.

    Shall we judge male aggressiveness by death row guys?
    Female beauty by the Kardashians?
    Morals by Robespierre?

    • Agree: The Real World
  149. Rosie says:
    @Dumbo

    LOL. Women (and in particular these type of women) don’t care about music, they care about FAME. They like “rock stars” because they command huge crowds and are FAMOUS. Having lots of MONEY doesn’t hurt either. Musical ability??? I mean most of these guys can barely play one note on a guitar and belch stupid lyrics about “love”.

    Nonsense. Even totally unknown musicians are attractive to women. If you can sing and/or play guitar, you will be more attractive to women. Period.

    https://psmag.com/news/musical-ability-is-attractive-in-a-potential-mate

    If “musical ability” was what women wanted, there would be lines of young women crazy to marry the nerdiest classical violinist at the Julliard School. LOL, LOROLOL.

    There probably are. What makes you think otherwise?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fertile-women-find-classical-musicians-more-attractive-study-finds-9298914.html

  150. Rosie says:
    @Spud Boy

    The average, working man’s sperm is now not good enough for the female, corporate Powerpoint slide maker.

    No, but it is good enough for the female waitress, nurse’s aid, grocery clerk, etc.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  151. Does not all of this rampant sperm-donating eventually result in a lot of child bearing/begetting by unwitting half-siblings?

  152. Travis says:
    @DextersLabRat

    If our healthcare system began offering free sperm to all females seeking to have a child. Would Black women choose to be impregnated with caucasian sperm in significant numbers ? This is doubtful.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  153. CMC says:
    @Alden

    I’m familiar with animal breeding . It would take about 150 years to breed back to beauty.

    I’m not. Let me ask, why state the time period in years rather than generations? That you did suggests to me that in your scenario females get impregnated at a certain age (15? 25?) but the male ‘donor(s)’ might be different ages. Also, I’m imagining your time estimate includes a few assumptions about control over who gets to reproduce.

  154. Thoughts says:
    @Dumbo

    As someone who has first hand-experience with a couple suffering from Male Infertility

    Tragic Shit Happens, even to the best of men. Nothing to do with age, or age of marriage.

    Most male infertility stems from childhood, which makes it just that much more heartbreaking and emotionally difficult

    Doctors who specialize in Male Infertility to help those men, get a special + in my book for getting into the gates of heaven

  155. @Ari silver

    The choice of Meijer seemed mystifying to me at first. But then I googled him and found other pictures of him. He looks like a poor man’s (or poor woman’s rather) Thor in his facebook profile picture. If an involved and successfully virile fathering partner is unavailable to a particular woman, I suppose paying a nominal fee for B-movie Thor’s genes is more or less a rational choice. Given that actual Hemsworth isn’t available for this, I am assuming.

    Really, look at the man. He looks like a hyperbolic parody of the Aryan male ideal. The story explains literally everything about the current state of the culture war. This is why the woke seethe with resentment and frustration towards the white male.

  156. @Rosie

    NAMALT – not all manosphere are like that. We’re a diverse crowd and I’d say that’s a minority view.

    Big fan of white women myself, although there is beauty among most races.

    I’d also say that Epstein support is very much a minority view, can’t say I’ve ever noticed it here. We all agree that Epstein didn’t kill himself, though.

  157. @Trinity

    Best looking female rockers?

    All the “traditional” female beauties are in country music. They need to convey sassy wholesomeness.

    And then you have PJ Harvey and arguably her greatest song “Rid of Me.” The epitome of that strange combination of female neediness, obsession, unbridled sexuality, and manipulative control.

    Every man at some point would love to tangle with that. Ideally without long term repercussions, but hey, life is full of tradeoffs.

    • Replies: @Dhyan Chand
  158. Richard B says:
    @Rosie

    “Rosie” as in Roosevelt.

  159. @Trinity

    Canada’s hot Jewish Metal Queen, Lee Aaron

  160. El Dato says:
    @Stan Adams

    Why was Linda so cool in spite of being a lousy waitress?

    Is it because she didn’t try to play the oppression card when facing Terminator?

    Of course, should not have stood a chance under Obama

    (There is a jarring disconnect when seeing the above directly under the author’s message “Black Lives Matter”, although I’m not fully able to verbalize it).

  161. It finally struck me that all three writers assigned to cover these two Johnny Appleseeds are female — wouldn’t it make sense to get at least some male perspective into the reportage? I was assigned to cover several very sensitive “female” issues” but I doubt if that ever happens anymore.

  162. The Capitol Protest has caused AOC to just suddenly remember that she was a victim of traumatic sexual assault. The Instagram Live event she arranged for the revelation got very high ratings!

    Believe all women, and if you’re bored, read her account and see if you can spot the obvious plot holes.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i-thought-i-was-going-to-die-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-recounts-traumatic-experience-during-capitol-siege-11612238434

  163. El Dato says:

    OT for later: People living in their bubbles

    Facebook leak: Zuckerberg admits having TOO MUCH POWER but cheers new administration, seeks to WORK WITH BIDEN on key issues

    Nick Clegg, Facebook’s head of global affairs, conceded that politicians from such countries as Germany and Mexico have expressed “disquiet” about the power of Big Tech to control public discussion. He said Facebook agrees with the argument that private companies should be making decisions in a way that is framed by democratically agreed rules and principles. “At the moment, those democratically agreed rules don’t exist,” Clegg said, apparently overlooking such frameworks as the US Constitution.

    Facebook Vice president for civil rights Roy Austin suggested using Oculus virtual-reality technology “to help a white police officer understand what it feels like to be a young black man who’s stopped and searched and arrested by the police.” He added, “I want every major decision to run through a civil rights lens.”

    I’m looking forward to “virtual-reality technology” helping me understand what it feels like to be a young black man who slaps up his bitch up or busts a cap into a nono’s ass. Oh wait, that actually exists…

  164. jsm says:
    @Rosie

    YYYUUUPP.

    And while they’re busy indulging their own selves in Yellow Fever, their own, resulting, poor sons aren’t gonna stand a chance at a gal, since White women won’t want them (too beta) and Yellow gals who are willing to race-mix are just gonna be bedding fully-White guys.

    Maybe you yellow fever manosphere fools ought to take the hit yourself, instead of foisting the fate of eternal loneliness on your own poor sons.

    Or…since Hapa girls are sought-after, maybe you should go ahead and just have girls, and just abort your sons….

    ……..GOOD GOD! Manosphere are not only race-traitors, they’re man-haters!!

    • Troll: JohnPlywood
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @John Johnson
  165. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    True, the majority of women using sperm donors are lesbians and single women. Only 12% those buying sperm are married women. So, those women buying sperm are not close to being average females. The average age these women is closer to 40 than 30, so they lack access to the free sperm widely available at any nightclub, college campus or basically anyplace where men go. Any average looking female under the age of 35 can obtain free sperm in about an hour in any American city or town. Thinking about the thirty-something females my friends and I banged when we were in our twenties is almost embarrassing. They were easy pickings.

  166. @Rosie

    The thing about musicians is not that they’re attractive, famous or highly skilled, but that when they are onstage they are the center of attention — the ultimate female fantasy (and certainly true for many air-shredding or YT-cover version guys as well).

    • Replies: @Rosie
  167. @Ari silver

    It took some particularly contorted thinking on the part of author Sailer to turn some info about a random dude in Europe into “what women want”. Bizarre…

    It’s likely the typical scenario of: a guy is having difficulty with a woman in his life so he looks for an angle to lash-out about women in general by finding a nothing story about an nobody and stretching his article premise into something weird and unrelated.

    Well, I hope he feels better now but, I doubt it.

  168. Rock Star hair attracts women? Might explain the shaved head on the REM guy.
    It’s the end of the world, as we know it. And he feels fine.

    • LOL: Escher
  169. jsm says:
    @Alden

    Russell Crowe is ugly??

  170. @Rosie

    What if you’re a classically-trained rock star?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalyptica

    • Replies: @Rosie
  171. @Almost Missouri

    “[E]ven Staten Island” was the coup de grace. Kudos.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  172. Rosie says:
    @Known Fact

    The thing about musicians is not that they’re attractive, famous or highly skilled, but that when they are onstage they are the center of attention<

    How do you know that?

    I suspect musicians were hot long before arena rock was a thing. Any caveman who could make some sort of pipe or whatever was probably more well-fed, dexterous, and intelligent than other caveman, and caveman who were attracted to same probably had more successful offspring.

    Why is your explanation better than mine?

  173. Dumbo says:
    @Rosie

    In the classical field, I think the most attractive for women are the orchestra conductors – people, like, say, Daniel Baremboim. Again, for the same reason they like rock stars. The music is really secondary.

    Although, I guess, for a man to know how to play guitar, or other instrument, helps in picking up girls. Sure, as a hobby it’s much more attractive than, I don’t know, being great video game players, or collecting train miniatures, or making lego sculptures. But it’s not the main thing. And, you don’t really need to play well. It’s more the social aspect than the music per se.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  174. @Dumbo

    I shook hands with Barenboim once. He is extremely classy.

  175. Mike Tre says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    IIRC Ulrich claimed to take Hetfield’s riffs and arrange them into the songs they eventually recorded. For this he gets a writing credit even though I doubt he actually ever picked up a guitar and came up with a riff or melody.

    It takes a genius to come up with Intro verse chorus verse chorus bridge guitar-solo chorus coda for 40 years🙄

  176. Is there a lot of choice at the sperm bank? Aren’t all men that donate a tad egotistic? Or do men get paid for some vial action? Even if there is money involved there does seem like there is ego issue with the male donors. Yeah…sure it’s only about helping out an infertile couple. Where’s the online emoji for a manure shovel when you need one?

    Now to answer Steve to what women want. They want an above IQ Aryan like baby with absolutely no health issues whatsoever. Don’t kid yourself yuppie brown women want that Aryan DNA as well. i Also if they could breed for potty training and sleeping thru the night, they would want that as well. Ok, who could blame anyone for wanting that?

  177. Dmon says:

    Here’s Sam Kinison with his 3rd wife. The first two were in the same general class looks-wise. So the answer to the question is, women want money.

  178. Rosie says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    What if you’re a classically-trained rock star?

    Yes, indeed.

    Some girl math:

    Hair + cello + Metallica = I need a cold shower, now.

    And then, of course, if your voice sounds like a cello, you don’t even need any hair.

  179. By the way, it’s not just looks, even for men ….

    [MORE]

    For instance, Sean Carroll is not just a very good physicist, but also a famous media personality in science popularization, religion vs science etc. community (you can check YouTube). In my opinion, he’s a handsome man – especially for a normal, mentally sane & creative person.

    And this is his wife:

    Here, they’re together:

    Dunno, I’d say he looks better as a man than she as a woman. But, it’s not just looks, I guess ….

  180. @R.G. Camara

    Thor is not really portrayed as arrogant or a “bad boy.” Thats more Tony Stark. Maybe women just don’t like the preachy neocon superhero Captain America and prefer the fake Viking Thor.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @R.G. Camara
  181. peterike says:
    @Rosie

    If we only liked goody-two-shoes, that would also make the case for arranged marriages, lest we create a race of conformist bug men

    Well judging by the collective response to Covid lockdowns, we’re well on the way there already.

  182. @Rosie

    Our explanations are not mutually exclusive. Favoring the caveman who can best provide and protect is a biological survival imperative for a practical cavelady. Salivating over the fantasy of being the center of attention onstage fulfills an emotional imperative (which happens to have the upper hand in our era since basic survival needs are generally being met).

    I wasn’t just talking about arena rock, by the way, the point applies to any musician holding forth onstage, and you could extend it to many other performers as well — although standup comics are more annoying than sexy, and Hal Holbrook doing Mark Twain somehow lacks the phallic frisson of Tom Jones or the Zep.

  183. Currahee says:
    @Rosie

    “There is probably no better single indicator of overall fitness than musical ability.”
    LOL.
    btw….many black sperm donors in demand?

  184. @BlackishRedpill

    laws of modern first world reproduction that no one likes.

    While it’s true that liberal demographers such as Phillip Longman may be horrified by your “laws”, other observers, such as the apparently Christian reviewers of Longman’s work, find these conclusions unsurprising and unobjectionable.

    In my own moderately-sized extended family of siblings, cousins and step-siblings, it is increasingly looking like I—the sole conservative in bunch—am also by “coincidence” likely to be the only one with grandchildren. Everyone else seems to be self-extinguishing. I and my offspring (whose conception was arguably within your laws) are the only ones who care much about children, ancestry, etc. Everyone else seems to care more about [insert hipster/hippie/bugman aspiration here].

    Anyway, the point of this is that I (and apparently a bunch of Christian intellectuals), have no particular dislike of what you describe, even if we might write the “laws” a little differently.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  185. Trinity says:

    “What women want?” Another woman’s man is what they want. Women are extremely jealous of other women and are devious and conniving. You suddenly become more attractive to a lot of women when they find out you are in a relationship or married.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @theMann
  186. @Travis

    Only if they thought that there was some realistic chance they might track down white wanker daddy, drag him into child support court and win a judgement.

  187. Neuday says:
    @Anon

    “… abuse ranging from blood pacts and sleep deprivation to drugs and brainwashing”

    Not uncommon components of marriage.

  188. @Rosie

    ” . . . . and caveman who were attracted to same probably had more successful offspring.”

    What’s going on with that? You wouldn’t be attempting some exercise in gender-neutralism, would you?

  189. theMann says:
    @Trinity

    I wasn’t going to reply on this, but how do all of you keep missing the Bangles?

    Suzanna Hoffs is one eye roll away from owning every one of us.

    • Agree: Trinity
  190. theMann says:
    @Trinity

    The Bad Boy rule:

    Best thing about getting a new girlfriend is that you get to pop all her friends too……

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Trinity
  191. @Rosie

    “Right, so here is your Earth-shattering conclusion. Talented and/or successful men are more attractive (and get more desirable mates) than mediocre men. How very fascinatin”

    And oddly enough, you are so dim you couldn’t figure that out on your own…

    “No, it isn’t. Read my lips. No royal ugly dudes”

    Right. Prince Charles is so handsome. Or what about Charles II of Spain? What a handsome devil!

    Rosie dummy.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  192. fredtard says:
    @Trinity

    Check out the band Baskery. Three Swedish sisters with the whole package.

  193. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The sperm donors are able to avoid direct competition with other men for harem access, and it’s as low-cost a strategy as it gets, since the donors get paid for their donations and don’t have to pay for raising the kids.

    At the primal level, women want sperm and resources. The sperm to make babies, preferably from a man perceived to be high quality; the resources to raise children and they don’t have to come from the same man or men. Either way, at the primal level, it’s all about babies, everything else is decoration.

    This new cultural artifact is in a way returning to the “Big Man” society. That has some known issues, and probably some we don’t really know much about.

    • Replies: @photondancer
  194. @Trinity

    I suppose you couldn’t call Emmylou a rocker.

    Lots of singers are attractive in their youthful prime (Ronstadt, Maria Muldaur) but if you have the bone structure…helps if you sing like an angel I suppose.

    But once a chap gets past his twenties, does it matter what they look like? I suppose Nico’s glacial beauty was part of her Gothic appeal.

  195. Rosie says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Thor is not really portrayed as arrogant or a “bad boy.”

    Thor is not a bad boy at all. He’s more the gallant gentlemen type.

    Maybe women just don’t like the preachy neocon superhero Captain America and prefer the fake Viking Thor.

    Can’t stand him.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  196. @Alden

    This is one of the dimmest, most emotionally driven ramblings I have ever read in my life. You just go to prove the stereotype of women as emotive, thin-skinned creatures that take everything personally to be 100% true.

    Also, you don’t know me to state whether I have a woman or not. The first rule for successfuly attacking an opponent in a debate is to base your arguments in at leaat some known facts. I mean, expecting this kind of rationality from a woman might be much, too.

    But let’s assume you are right that I have no woman. Not true, but just for the sake of the argument, let’s accept that it is true. To your chagrin, that would actually prove that I do know a lot about women, since I am not a high-status multi-millionaire, NFL quarterback or rock star. So that would avtually prove me *right* . Understand, dummy? Probably not, given that you’re a woman.

  197. black sea says:
    @theMann

    Hope Sandoval. I like petite women.

  198. Travis says:
    @Dmon

    True, humans want money and power and status. But when looking for a sperm donor they select tall, strong healthy, smart men. They will choose tall and strong over short and smart. Sperm Banks will not accept sperm from men who are below 5’10” because no women chooses such sperm. Nobody will purchase sperm from males of average height. Men like Sam Kineson and Tom Cruise could not be a sperm donors. Yet in the marriage or dating market short men can be successful if they are wealthy.

  199. Brutusale says:
    @Trinity

    When I saw The Runaways in 1976 (as a 17-year old sneaking into the late, lamented Rat), Joan Jett was tied for third as the best-looking member of the band. This being the belle of the band:

    And Lita actually likes guys.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  200. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara

    The NBA has a simple rule set for players. Allegedly they repeat it a lot, especially to the newbies who probably can’t afford to be on the hook for child support:

    1. Always wear a condom.
    2. Always flush it yourself.

    Both rules are required and cannot be skipped. Since there’s only two, even an NBA player should be able to remember them. Should…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  201. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    BTW many of the comments are made by Mr Alden as well as Mrs Alden.

    In that case Mr. Alden should get his Testosterone checked soon, because he writes like a petulant little girl.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Polistra
  202. Trinity says:
    @Brutusale

    Lita Ford never did anything for me, just not my cup of tea. Women and men have different things that they prefer, for me it is eyes first and foremost, legs second, then the booty. Lita Ford seems like she would be loud as well, I hate confrontational women etc. Ford seems like the chick who is always the one who takes her shirt off at the party and jumps up on the table. Those type of women turn me off no matter what they look like. Hence why I always found a young Linda Ronstadt to be attractive, such a sweetie, and her shyness was a real turn on. As for actresses that I always found sexy. Looks only because Joey Heatherton was a wild one from what I heard.

    Sophia Loren
    Raquel Welch
    Angie Dickinson
    Joey Heatherton
    Ann-Margret

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  203. @Rosie

    Too many simplistic answers.

    I’ll offer one, too.

    I think we can dispense with fame, Neanderthal atavism etc. Music performers have always been popular with women, and especially high class females.

    Why so?

    Because in females feelings, generally, dominate, and genuine music performers are “masters of feelings” (their evocation, especially when connected with romantic infatuation etc.). Historically, great music performers- some of them composers, too – have been known as erotically magnetic for women: Chopin, Liszt, Paganini, …

    Composers not quite, because one could not hear & see them (most of Bach, although he was a performer, too, but in different social circumstances; Vivaldi, Bruckner, Brahms, …). Also: painters, sculptors, authors, …. do not possess this immediacy of influence as music.

    Sinatra, Beatles, … are just global & creatively inferior successors to Liszt & Paganini in that old tradition of romancing females’ feelings & inducing in them mostly unconscious and involuntary attraction.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  204. Rosie says:
    @Rockford Tyson

    Rosie dummy.

    Lol. At least I’m capable of searching the internet to see if there’s any evidence for my armchair bullshit, unlike you.

    We conclude that a minimum level of physical attractiveness is a necessity for both women and their mothers and that when women and their parents state that other traits are more important than physical attractiveness, they assume potential mates meet a minimally acceptable standard of physical attractiveness.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0092-x

    • Replies: @Rockford Tyson
  205. HFR says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “I shook hands with Barenboim once.” This made me suddenly remember that I saw him and Jacqueline du Pre perform in Boston soon after their marriage and long before her illness. It was thrilling.
    As for shaking hands, I did shake Olympic-champion ice-dancer Charlie White’s hand, and he too is extremely classy.
    (This is all off-topic, but I just followed your lead.)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  206. @stillCARealist

    Female beauty by the Kardashians?

  207. @Trinity

    Hey why settle for just one? Give it up for … Vixen!

    I got a target on my back
    for a Cupid dressed in black …

  208. anon[269] • Disclaimer says:

    Women like badboys and musicians, and especially badboy musicians. Fame is the number one reason. Fame Game is the one Game to rule them all. After fame, it’s talent and imbued charisma (he must be charismatic if women love him), followed by male dominance.

    Fame is really a proxy for preselection. A man onstage, playing to throngs of screaming young women, activates the Bartholin’s in women like nothing else; it says to women’s hindbrains: “this man has illimitable choice in women because women love him, and if women love him then he must be worth loving”.

    A preselected man will cultivate over time an attitude of outcome independence — ie, “I can take her or leave her” — which intensifies female attraction for him. ZFG aloofness is chicknip. Women may daydream about being chased by a man, but in reality they are turned on when they’re doing the chasing. This is another strategy PUAs teach: how to flip the script.

    Music also gives people good feelings, so a musician is gonna give a woman more good feelings than an accountant will give her. We gravitate to those who make us FeelGood.

    FInally, male dominance. It has to tbe said, even though this will trigger Rosie’s man-hate into a cytokine storm, that women are aroused by submitting themselves to a dominant man, and badboy musicians are, in the modern context, dominant men*.

    *Male dominance primarily comes in two varieties: dominance over men (leader of men) and dominance over women (charismatic badboy).

    Badboys may or may not be traditional “leaders of men”, but their badboyness subcommunicates outcome independence, which is a vector of male dominance. This last male attractiveness criteria explains the allure of the very ugly Marilyn Manson to so many beautiful women.

  209. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    Mick Jagger has always reminded me of a Penfield Homunculus.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  210. @HFR

    Some people are just more civilized.

  211. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:

    On a somewhat tangentially related note, it is sad to note the recent death of one Dustin Diamond, better known as ‘Screech’ from the TV series ‘Saved by the Bell’.

  212. Rosie says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Because in females feelings, generally, dominate, and genuine music performers are “masters of feelings” (their evocation, especially when connected with romantic infatuation etc.). Historically, great music performers- some of them composers, too – have been known as erotically magnetic for women: Chopin, Liszt, Paganini, …

    Also: painters, sculptors, authors, …. do not possess this immediacy of influence as music.

    Oh, yes, that does make sense. I hadn’t thought of it that way. You may admire someone’s work, but if it’s disconnected from their body, that admiration never becomes eroticized.

  213. @Almost Missouri

    In my own moderately-sized extended family of siblings, cousins and step-siblings, it is increasingly looking like I—the sole conservative in bunch—am also by “coincidence” likely to be the only one with grandchildren. Everyone else seems to be self-extinguishing. I and my offspring (whose conception was arguably within your laws) are the only ones who care much about children, ancestry, etc. Everyone else seems to care more about [insert hipster/hippie/bugman aspiration here].

    This is happening everywhere.

    Liberalism will be taking a major hit due to dysgenics.

    It’s really a disservice to your group to believe that genetics don’t matter.

    Liberals think they can make up the numbers through indoctrination oops I mean education. But twin studies suggest that political outlook has a genetic component.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  214. anon[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @theMann

    Preselection works…

    lol.

  215. Trinity says:
    @theMann

    There is indeed some truth to that.

  216. @Rockford Tyson

    You know what women do *not* like? Plumbers. Street vagrants. Bus drivers. Janitors. Coal miners.

    Types of men women *do* like: rock stars, 7-figure Wall Street guys, pro jocks, movie stars, successful doctors and lawyers, etc.

    You watch too much TV.

    Plumbers are actually in high demand and are paid well. Coal miners are also well compensated because of unions. Both groups in rural areas are normally married with children.

    Most women just want a husband with a stable income. They aren’t looking for rock stars or wealthy lawyers.

    The problem is that in metropolitan areas the cost of living is outrageous due to a variety of complex factors that I don’t want to get into.

    So in metro areas the women can be pretty picky, especially if it is tech heavy area where there are lots of single men. But this is more of a practical concern and not innate hypergamy.

    The solution is to move to a rural area. The city game is a waste of time for most guys. TV is lying and the schools are also doing a disservice by encouraging urban living.

  217. Trinity says:
    @Anonymous

    Mick Jagger and Don Knotts were twins separated at birth.

  218. Rosie says:

    FInally, male dominance. It has to tbe said, even though this will trigger Rosie’s man-hate into a cytokine storm, that women are aroused by submitting themselves to a dominant man, and badboy musicians are, in the modern context, dominant men*.

    *Male dominance primarily comes in two varieties: dominance over men (leader of men) and dominance over women (charismatic badboy).

    Manosphere creeps will turn any scenario whatsoever into bullshit about Alpha males, reducing the concept to meaningless.

    One of my favorite singers, sweet-souled Ed Kowalczyk, is really a dominant Alpha thug, who I want to be raped by, you see.

    All that said, yes a dash of bad boy sweetens the deal. I doubt any metalchick hearts are throbbing over this:

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  219. @Brutusale

    Yet another example of the joys of immigration.

  220. @anon

    Incidentally, Manson has now been MeTooed by Evan Rachel Wood.

    • Replies: @anon
  221. Kylie says:
    @HammerJack

    “Why do you [Alden] go so far out of your way to sound exactly like a five year old in the middle of a temper tantrum?”

    Misplaced gallantry or blissful ignorance?

    I can assure you from vast experience with this type that she is not going out of her way at all. This is her modus vivendi. As you can see here, she is always ready to put men in their place with hostile barbs she mistakes for pointed witticisms. She also mistakes the mildest generalization of her gender for a personal criticism and will attack accordingly.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Rosie
  222. Rosie says:
    @theMann

    the Bangles

    Nevermind the Bangles. How about the Goddess Floor Jansen? Euro men worship the ground she walks on, with damned good reason.

  223. HFR says:
    @Brutusale

    It’s interesting that the article in your link shows a photo of a young woman and a young man standing outside the courthouse to support Tsarnaev. I can assure you that there wasn’t much sympathy for him in the Boston area, especially if you knew someone who had been harmed in the attack.

  224. TWS says:
    @Rosie

    Rosie the problem is that somebody needs to protect women from themselves.

    The only creature I’ve seen as suicidal and self-destructive as women are sheep.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  225. TWS says:
    @glib

    Yup. I’m guessing Genghis Khan will be smiling.

  226. Rosie says:
    @Kylie

    She also mistakes the mildest generalization of her gender for a personal criticism and will attack accordingly.

    Lol. Meanwhile, anyone who doesn’t accept manosphere lies about women is a “man-hater.”

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  227. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Six foot three inches in height with a extremely lean yet massively muscular upper torso and arms.

    One thing you’ll notice is how large, muscular, and broad Fabio’s upper chest/pecs are. Ordinary guys and pro bodybuilders spend years in the gym trying to achieve a similar look, largely to no avail because they lack the genetics for it. Instead they tend to have an overdeveloped, rounded ball like 3-D look in their pecs and biceps/triceps from excessive bench pressing and other pressing movements.

    The large muscular and broad upper chest look is mainly due to genetics. It requires a combination of height, broad shoulders, and natural musculature. Schwarzeneggar had it as well.

    • Replies: @Sean
  228. @anon

    Women like badboys and musicians, and especially badboy musicians. Fame is the number one reason. Fame Game is the one Game to rule them all. After fame, it’s talent and imbued charisma (he must be charismatic if women love him), followed by male dominance.

    I think badboy-ism is a reproductive strategy that probably only arises in the later stages of civilization – it tends to mimic high status by performing things like independence and rebellion. In modern civilization the costs of performing acts of rebellion are very low, whereas the payoff in terms of attracting women is quite high. The bluff, so to speak, doesn’t get called and when it does it usually doesn’t result in severe consequences. I suppose there are discrete subcultures such as organized crime in which the costs are better balanced against the upsides insofar as you could quickly get yourself killed for pushing the envelope too far and crossing the wrong

    In, say, a Bronze-Age society a badboy would probably either quickly become a very bad man or a red smear with hair. I doubt there’d be much tolerance for a slightly built man shirking his duties while loitering about with other men’s wives and daughters.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  229. @JohnnyWalker123

    Umm…all else being equal, yes. When analyzing demand, always look at revealed preferences rather than stated preferences. All that looks stuff goes out the window when a male attains a certain fame or prominence or power.

    *For obvious evolutionary reasons, women also like personality traits that exude “alpha”, even in the absence of material or concrete markers (eg an expensive car or high occupational status). That’s why they’re so easy to con and guys always talk about the importance of confidence. It’s not really confidence – that’s just downstream of what they evolved to go after. (Think of alpha as the G-factor of female attraction, and things like confidence, looks and status as subsets of an IQ test).

  230. @Stan Adams

    I remember similar female swoonings on social media over the Boston Bomber. OJ Simpson also got an abundance of female fan mail and risque photos sent to him while he was in prison/during trial after he killed Nicole & Ron Goldman, as did Ted Bundy, and the Menendez brothers, both of whom ended up even marrying women while serving life sentences.

  231. I love that picture of Meijer. He looks like a ’70’s redneck.

    He would have fit right in as the lead singer of Lynyrd Skynyrd if he’d been born in Jacksonville and Ronnie van Zant in the Netherlands.

  232. @Steve Sailer

    I have a relative who is very active in the classical music business, and he has told me that musicians love playing for Barenboim, as opposed to the over the top teutonic taskmasters like Eschenbach, who spent some time presiding over the Philadelphia, not without controversy.

    “Loose” is how my relative described Barenboim’s conducting style, like his piano playing–pejoratively, of course.

    Meanwhile, Barenboim is as pure a globalist Jew as it comes, with passports from a half a dozen countries. He also has the annoying habit of inserting himself with politically globalist leftish rightthink into this issue or that.

    Douglas Murray has a great article in The Spectator about a concert at the BBC proms — Elgar by the way, as English as you can get — where Daniel couldn’t resist opining from the conductor’s podium about Brexit in the oh-so-acceptable way.

    See: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/poor-conduct

    To wit:

    I left profoundly disappointed in him, and sad that in an era which is witnessing the politicisation of absolutely everything, it should prove impossible even to go to an orchestral concert without being coshed around the head with politics…

    …nor do I think that the masterworks of classical music can only be heard on the condition that you are governed by the European Commission. Or that you can enjoy orchestral music only on the proviso that you endorse Angela Merkel’s ongoing open-doors immigration policy. Some advanced pessimist might even ponder how long the one might survive the other.

    Ouch.

    Hey, Danny Boy, take your Argentine passport and shove it up where the sun don’t shine, why doncha? You’ll still have four or five available, but who’s counting?

  233. Most women will dutifully repeat the socially accepted blank slate platitudes and pieties, but when it comes to their “wish list” for a sperm donor it turns out they are closeted HBDers.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Flip
  234. Brutusale says:
    @Rosie

    Proof of concept? Here’s a guy who’s nowhere near as famous as James Hetfield, though much more talented with his instrument. Most rock bands are led by the singer or the singer and lead guitarist (Page/Plant, etc.) Nuno is the key figure in his band, not the singer.

    He gets more quality ass than the makeup chair at Vogue; he was involved with Christina Applegate during her Married With Children years! He has 2 sons with his ex-wife, the frontwoman for an Australian band.

    He can certainly play guitar. He’s been the go-to guy for sistas (Janet Jackson, Rhianna) who want a pretty white boy to play guitar.

    He can play it softly:

    Or not:

    Brian May, a guitarist of some note, calls the solo from that song one of his favorites:

    https://www.guitarscanada.com/threads/brian-may-on-get-the-funk-out.153849/

    Full disclosure-I know the lead singer for Extreme, Gary Cherone. He went to high school with my girlfriend and lived in my town for 20 years. Gary’s likes are a little different from Nuno’s if you get my meaning. Gary is the flamboyant theater kid in high school who hooked up with the right guys.

  235. @Anonymous

    As a side effect of regrettably having to go the donor egg route we ended up with 13 extra embryos that have now all found loving homes. Don’t even have to be sneaky these days.

  236. anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22

    I live be renting out properties. Over the years I have rented out to all kinds. You would be surprised how many women who get they heads smashed through the wall go back for more – again and again and again. The men they “love” are neither handsome nor intelligent nor kind.

    Women seem to be attracted to violent men for similar reasons as the “Sexy Son hypothesis.” They seek out genes which will benefit their sons.

    In the “Sexy son hypothesis,” these genes are those which are attractive to other women.

    Since men use violence to compete against other men for women, and use violence for mate guarding, having violent genes can be beneficial in sons. This would help explain why women are often attracted to violent men. More typically, this is expressed in women being attracted to larger more physically imposing guys over smaller, wimps and weaklings, but at the extreme end you see this women who stick with their abusive men or are attracted to serial killers and the like.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
  237. @black sea

    Hope is/was pretty spectacular, unquestionably.

    Tons of vids out there with her. This is a great one that conveys her dreamy sexuality.

    She was 28 at the time. She looks like she’s on the cusp of maximum fertility.

  238. epebble says:
    @Polistra

    Among the more than 8 million species, none except 1, seems to care. Yet, the biosphere goes swimmingly. (at least till that 1 species starts interfering …)

  239. Brutusale says:
    @Rosie

    Lightning Crashes has been on all my playlists since its release. Haunting song.

    • Agree: Rosie
  240. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Scandinavia, Ireland Germany Austria, Poland, Slavic countries centuries of beauties marrying beauties produced nations of beauties

    Have you ever been to Eastern Europe? One of the striking things you notice in Eastern Europe is the dichotomy between the men and women there. The women are lithe and delicate beauties while the men tend to be hulkish guys who make Russell Crowe look like a pansy. The guys there tend to look like Fedor Emelianenko:

  241. anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Female hypergamy, the Science:

    We show that promotions to top jobs dramatically increase women’s probability of divorce, but do not affect men’s marriages. This effect is causally estimated for top jobs in the political sector, where close electoral results deliver exogenous variation in promotions across job candidates. Descriptive evidence from job promotions to the position of CEO shows that private sector promotions result in the same gender inequality in the risk of divorce.

    https://www.ifn.se/wfiles/wp/wp1146.pdf

    About 16 percent of Americans between the ages of 14 and 49 are infected with genital herpes, making it one of the most common sexually transmitted diseases, U.S. health officials said on Tuesday.

    Black women had the highest rate of infection at 48 percent and women were nearly twice likely as men to be infected, according to an analysis by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    About 21 percent of women were infected with genital herpes, compared to only 11.5 percent of men, while 39 percent of blacks were infected compared to about 12 percent for whites, the CDC said.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141223092133/http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/03/09/ps-herpes-usa-idUSN0923528620100309

    Assuming that those who assign blame are the ones that initiated the divorce, and had a “good” reason:

    Wive initiate 70% of divorce and blame the husband 40% of the time. (60% of female initiated divorce is unprovoked)

    Husbands initiate 30% of divorce and blame the wife 21% of the time.
    (79% of male initiated divorce is unprovoked)

    23% of divorces are males “trading-up”
    28% of divorces are males “screwing-up”
    ——-
    51% of divorces due to men

    42% of divorces are females “trading-up”
    7% of divorces are females “screwing-up”
    ——-
    49% of divorces due to women

    So women are much more likely to “trade-up,” but men are much more likely to “screw-up”.

    https://inductivist.blogspot.com/2009/05/this-and-that.html

    higamous hogamous man is polygynous
    hogamous higamous woman hypergamous

  242. Cynewulf says:
    @Rosie

    Overall fitness? The reference to “schizotypal personality” wasn’t encouraging.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  243. Brutusale says:
    @Trinity

    Lita Ford seems like she would be loud as well, I hate confrontational women, etc. Ford seems like the chick who is always the one who takes her shirt off at the party and jumps up on the table.

    To the complaints of nobody.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  244. anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan Adams

    Incidentally, Manson has now been MeTooed by Evan Rachel Wood.

    This isn’t shocking. Manson is a freak who obviously liked playing dominance games with his women. Much like his namesake.

    Keep in mind that a lot of MeToo psychology is really the howl of aging beauties bitter that they didn’t persuade an alpha to commit, and spitefully retconning a whirlwind passionate fling with a badboy as a regrettable chapter in their life.

    You will rarely see a young hottie in the throes of a romantic relationship with a badboy rush to the media to tell the world what a horrible man he is; more often, she will rush to defend her lover from rumors that he’s mistreating her.

    It isn’t until after the relationship with the badboy has soured, and the bloom has worn off her rose(ie), that the MeToo accusations begin in earnest, functioning by that time more as a balm for a wounded ego and a backwards rationalization for voluntary consensual decisions made at the time which in the hindsight of older age and muted passion seem stupid and reckless.

    In other words, the psychology of MeToo dips into the realm of female shame felt for past relationships that were fueled by youthful passion untethered from wisdom or guidance.

    The types of MeToo accusations that you can mroe confidently assume have real merit are the ones aimed at “relationships” that were wholly transactional in nature, rather than driven by passionate desire. For an example of a crudely transactional relationship, see Harvey Weinstein’s victims trading their sex for his promises of movie roles and stardom.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  245. @Dmon

    Sam Kinison had money, fame (pre-internet it was harder to do), and used to travel with a Tupperware full of cocaine. Cocaine is like catnip for models, strippers, house wives, groupies, and your typical club scene party girls.

  246. @Rosie

    These dudes here (with the exception of Whiskey whose presence is thankfully rare these days) are honestly pretty mild compared to the anonymous commentariat on other manosphere-adjacent sites. Probably because they are mostly Boomers. Even liberal Reddit has worse, and banned a bunch of women-centric forums! The wackier stuff on here just makes me laugh. I think some of these guys exaggerate their feelings because they can’t say much in their personal lives. I also think they enjoy the back and forth trolling with you and Alden.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  247. El Dato says:

    What’s up with Ocasio’s rape fantasies btw?

    When has Congress devolved to a schoolyard of differently gifted children?

  248. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @jsm

    And while they’re busy indulging their own selves in Yellow Fever, their own, resulting, poor sons aren’t gonna stand a chance at a gal, since White women won’t want them (too beta) and Yellow gals who are willing to race-mix are just gonna be bedding fully-White guys.

    Hapa men are actually very popular among Asian women. There are lots of Hapa male celebrities in East and SE Asia.

    They may not be popular with White women, but according to the Alt-Right and White Nationalists, White women are going extinct, so being attractive to and mixing with them would reduce fitness.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @jsm
  249. Trinity says:
    @Brutusale

    Different strokes for different folks. Women and men find different things attractive, she just isn’t my type. That is what makes the world go round.

    Back to male rockers being mostly on the ugly side. Two great examples that I failed to mention are the late Tom Petty and the late Rick Ocasek. RIP to both men, talented musicians but not the best looking guys on the planet for sure. Hmm, got me thinking about another singer who was a good looking man IMO, but the dude liked men instead of women. George Michael could have gotten a lot of women even if he hadn’t been famous or a singer. Why does the good Lord above bless a man with looks like that only for him to turn out gay? Maybe you are born gay because why on earth would a man like George Michael who could have been having his pick of all kinds of hawt women prefer a man’s ugly ass.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  250. @Alden

    I’m in favor of producing more good looking blue eyed blondes in this world…

    Agree Wholeheartedly: Adam Smith

  251. Whiskey says: • Website

    As usual many here are missing the point. Bigly.

    Its scale and scope of the sperm donor’s “donations” that matter. Not that it happens. In the normal course of events a few married couples will suffer from male infertility and thus the demand now and then, in small quantities, for “donations.” No one would be too upset about that as it does not threaten the basis of society. What instead is happening is many, many women are riding the carousel, chasing Alpha bad boys who neither commit nor give them kids, and they settle at the very edge of their fertility window for a sperm donor to have kids.

    Related to this, I was struck in re-reading Mark Bowden’s “Blackhawk Down” how many young Rangers there in Mogadishu had no girlfriend. Active, fit, Rangers ages 19-20 and no girlfriends. How is that happening? In 1992/93 ?

    The Tragedy of the West is the desire to pretend that Technology can make the human condition go away. Pretend that most criminals are not black, pretend its all White guys, to avoid dealing with the problem. Pretend black crime does not happen, that somehow moral posturing and internet surveillance can make the awareness at least of the problem go away and that thus it will not shape human behavior. [This by the way is typically the female/gay approach — pretend the problem does not exist to avoid dealing with it.]

    And here it is with women and men. The scope of these donations is a giant indicator that many White women are deciding to pursue Alphas to the very last limit of their fertility and then go turkey baster. This leaves most White men out in the cold, and thus a general and GROWING hostility to White women in general. This is aided and abetted by White women being the wokest of the woke and ruining every White male cultural artifact, many beloved from their childhoods: Star Wars, Star Trek, Comics, Games, etc. George Lucas may or may not have raped their childhoods (famous comment on some board) but woke women certainly have.

    Rosie and Alden are correct, there IS a great deal of hostility towards women overall, and it is growing. As usual, being women they apply the old shame routines not understanding that does not work any more. Given that only a few Alpha males are going to get with the ladies, the vast majority of dudes will have their Pr0notube collection, with the ladies if they have kids at all having them via turkey baster, what exactly is the plan?

    There is a vast, vast difference between a married young(ish) husband who sees his wife through the vision of what she was at 20, or 22, and the guy “dating” some cougarish 40 something used up hag with a kid via an Alpha or donation, who he has no intention of marrying. Its already baked in, the hostility to women and its going to get far more expressive. Shame will not work. Neither will appeals to racial solidarity given White women’s instinctive support for BLM.

    Tessa Majors, Mollie Tibbets, that gal from University of Tennessee who was canceled. All big time BLM supporters. I as an average White guy should care about them why? Given that they expressed their hate hate hate for average White guys who they held to be the source of all evil? I’m not glad they are dead or canceled. I just don’t care. And I can’t be made to care.

    But hey, White women sure got to chase those Alphas. Birthright. Selling. For Mess of Pottage.

  252. @Dumbo

    “What women want” – the problem is, “what women want” is very different from “what women say or think they want”, as anyone who has had any relationship with women anywhere can attest.

    “What gentlemans says and what they thinks is two different things”. — Mammy, the Smartest Character in Gone With The Wine

  253. @Sgt. Joe Friday

    Most women will dutifully repeat the socially accepted blank slate platitudes and pieties, but when it comes to their “wish list” for a sperm donor it turns out they are closeted HBDers.

    I noticed this when working around college educated White women.

    They all professed a love of diversity and one even loudly complained about White men within earshot.

    But not once did I see any of them with a Black man.

    They loved diversity so much that they were all holding out for their White collar White man.

    The profession expectation was the real problem. They not only seemed to be holding out for a White man but one with a professional degree and a laundry list of requirements (recycles, votes Democrat, sense of humor).

    TV and college have convinced liberal White women that they are all getting an Atticus Finch. There is a serious problem with liberal White women thinking they are part of some higher class and there is some secret dating scene of average height / weight / Democrat professional White collar men that are looking for homely White women with social science degrees. It’s really quite the delusion.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  254. @Polistra

    Has anyone done a study of how many unwitting half-siblings there are out there, hooking up, marrying, whatever? Along with sperm banks there’s the ghetto, and NBA spawn, as mentioned upthread.

    A black guy I know told me that someone set him up with a half-sister( his father was a Philomen Rodman kind of guy with 20 children he knew of). When talking on their first date he figured out that she was a sibling.

  255. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I think badboy-ism is a reproductive strategy that probably only arises in the later stages of civilization – it tends to mimic high status by performing things like independence and rebellion.

    It isn’t merely mimicking. Women are attracted to confidence and men that they feel can protect them.

    If a guy is too submissive to a woman then there is an innate fear that he would be too submissive to a threat.

    Bad boy behavior has the confidence and protection and they will take that even if it comes with questionable morals. Too many guys overthink women and then get frustrated when they see a woman with some ahole. The secret to women is to not think about them so much. They spent thousands of years under the thumbs of men and aren’t used to total devotion. It makes them uncomfortable even if it doesn’t make sense.

    Both men and women have leftover evolutionarily traits that conflict with modern society. For women society wants to pretend that such traits don’t exist for egalitarian reasons. As one pastor said “we like to think that God made at least half of us moral”. Liberal egalitarians have similar but secular ideals and want to think of women as innately moral and only corrupted by White man’s society.

  256. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @jsm

    And while they’re busy indulging their own selves in Yellow Fever, their own, resulting, poor sons aren’t gonna stand a chance at a gal, since White women won’t want them (too beta) and Yellow gals who are willing to race-mix are just gonna be bedding fully-White guys.

    Incidentally, George Conway, who is half-Filipino and a fat slob, dated Laura Ingraham before marrying Kellyanne Conway. Presumably it’s because he was a successful lawyer. But what does it say about White women, conservative White women at that, that they’re willing to put up with a fat slob Hapa guy just because he’s a successful lawyer?

  257. @jsm

    And while they’re busy indulging their own selves in Yellow Fever, their own, resulting, poor sons aren’t gonna stand a chance at a gal, since White women won’t want them (too beta) and Yellow gals who are willing to race-mix are just gonna be bedding fully-White guys.

    I used to live near a military installation where all these White guys brought back filipino brides.

    So they would bring back some 5’2 sex pot without thinking about how they would be making 5’4 sons. Well good job making it hard for your sons to date so you can feel big next to a midget.

    White people have serious issues with gene denial.

    If you have been around little league you see these White guys that married to little sex toy White and Asian women and then seem surprised that their sons aren’t natural athletes. It can be really hard to watch. They think everything is a matter of practice and will be yelling at some poor kid for being average.

    If you want athletes then breed with one. It’s totally ridiculous that we can’t even say this in public because of the gene taboo. Let’s just yell at kids because we can’t face nature.

    • Agree: jsm
  258. @Eternally Antifascist

    I think there will be a lot more coming.

    The sperminator has some impressive stamina.

  259. Rosie says:
    @anon

    They may not be popular with White women, but according to the Alt-Right and White Nationalists, White women are going extinct, so being attractive to and mixing with them would reduce fitness.

    You do realize that if one sex in a given race goes extinct, the other one does too, right? So yes, yellow fever men who bash White women are celebrating their own extinction.

    • Agree: Nico, Bardon Kaldian
    • LOL: John Johnson
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @anon
  260. @photondancer

    I’ve not seen any evidence of women being disgusted by nobility. They may be a bit bored by the man who has nothing but goodness to offer but that suggests the goodness is negative (i.e. the man lacks vices rather than being actively good). Women do admire men who are fighting for a cause, no matter what they look like. And most men, even if they aren’t Sir Gawains, end up married so women can’t be too disgusted by them

    The fact that you don’t find nobility a turn on but a turn off indicates disgust.

    And “ending up married” is not the goal for men. Ending up happily married is the goal—-which includes a sexually attractive woman who is sexually attracted to her husband and want to sexually please her man.

    Husbands are not there to be your little Ken dolls that, once acquired, are merely to be placed in the appropriate nooks in your homes. Husbands are there for you to sexually service as often as they desire—and wives are to do it willingly and happily.

    If a woman isn’t going to do that duty or feel attraction towards her husband the marriage is over, and the woman killed it, and the man is free to leave. And, in fact, should leave.

    Women have a duty in marriage, the ceremony does not end her sexually servicing requirements. Do your duty or the you’ve destroyed the marriage.

    • Replies: @photondancer
  261. @Rockford Tyson

    For long term relationships, women primarily want money. Status matters too. In our celebrity-driven culture, rock stars and A-list actors may have more status than even CEOs.

    For the short term, women want a guy with good looks and a “fun” personality.

    If you’re a good-looking celebrity (like George Clooney), you can enjoy both types of relationships. Even if you’re an ugly celebrity, you can at least pay high-priced escorts or take the “casting couch” route.

    Fame isn’t just a form of status, it’s also a megaphone that amplifies you. It puts the magnifying glass on you. So if you’re a handsome and suave local guy, you’ll get women swooning across town. If you’re a handsome and suave celeb, you’ll get women swooning across America. All eyes on you, which is not a bad thing if you look like George Clooney. Even if you don’t look like Clooney, the fame will draw in hordes of hookers and gold diggers.

  262. Nico says:
    @Rosie

    I suspect haters would say this no matter what women wanted. Take the bad boy, thing. If we only liked goody-two-shoes, that would also make the case for arranged marriages, lest we create a race of conformist bug men

    The one doesn’t cancel the other. Hybristophilia is relatively common because it reflects in rather extreme form the woman’s need, in nature, for a man who will kill to protect her during pregnancy and nursing. On the other hand, if he’s too nasty he might kill her while she’s still of childbearing age or other members of the band who might have helped out with child rearing.

    The variance and volatility of human behavior allows for creativity and specialization but it requires sociality to keep the fringe looniness from becoming lethal. This is why we develop such customs as arranged marriages.

  263. @Polistra

    If you look at the symptoms of inbreeding and look at black behavior since the 1960s there’s an eerie overlap. Which is probably why they obsess about calling whites “inbreds.” Lots of projection.

    • Agree: Polistra
  264. Nico says:

    How hereditary is the urge to go down to the sperm bank and have 1000 kids? If it’s fairly heritable, that might aggregate into something big over a number of generations.

    Not so fast. If the mother’s tendency to withdraw from the sperm bank is also hereditary, the possibility of mating with hundreds of one’s own half-sisters begins to raise the risk of large-scale pedigree collapse after just three or four generations.

  265. @Anonymous Jew

    When women are younger, they want to sleep with guys who look like Channing Tatum.

    When they marry, they want a wealthy, powerful, and famous guy like Jeff Bezos or Tom Brady.

    If you’re in the top 0.1% (looks, money, fame), you can get whatever type of relationship you want with whatever type of woman you like.

  266. Nico says:
    @Anonymous

    Tell them to avoid white females like the plague and wait to find a good wife from China/NE Asia.

    If I thought my only chance for reproducing would be to participate in the mixing of Western civilization out of existence I wouldn’t want to reproduce at all.

  267. Rosie says:
    @Cynewulf

    Ackshully, schizotypy (or some aspect of it) may well be associated with genius.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0092656611001644

  268. black sea says:

    I wonder if Fabio is an iSteve reader.

    Fabio: Why California is falling apart:

  269. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    All that looks stuff goes out the window when a male attains a certain fame or prominence or power.

    Those things don’t make you more attractive. They draw golddiggers. I guess if you’re ok with that, it all comes to the same thing anyway. How much is Michael Moore worth?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @anon
  270. @Rosie

    You do realize that if one sex in a given race goes extinct, the other one does too, right?

    I’m not so sure that manosphere men have a capacity for rational thinking. As I’ve said some time ago…

    General manosphere world-view (here I may be wrong because I know this territory only superficially) is shallow & simplistic.

    Good thing is: don’t be a lazy slob; cultivate your body, soul & mind; don’t be one-dimensional & don’t idealize women as some semi-divine creatures. Grow your will, self-respect & dignity. As far as you can.

    Bad thing, in most manospheroid advice columns & sites: women are basically whores & gold-diggers incapable of anything “higher”; quasi-Masonic lingo worse than Stalin’s Brief Course (revisionist > see under Bernstein, Eduard); simplistic Darwinian-for-dummies atheism with something depressing in all that (why, after all, pussy matters so much if 99.99999….% of all life-forms have vanished in past 500 million years?); celebrity culture idolatry & focus on material aspects of life as the royal road to pussy; instead of giving simple advice to cultivate your being in all aspects, they offer a welter of confusing & ideologically charged acronyms and psychological tricks no normal man would bother to remember, let alone work on their instructions; this entire world-view is: get laid & fear wicked pussies with minuscule brains dominated by hamsters & then die.
    In Jungian parlance, they see the female shadow as the whole woman.

    Instead of seriously working on changing absurd aspects of divorce laws & whole whorish cultural climate, as well as moral depravity infesting Western world after the 60s & to try, as much as one can, to return to sanity (but not to Eisenhower-era way of life: modern women nowhere in the world would assent to go back to the housewife role as virtually the only life they could have) – they advise men not only to fear women, but to exploit them as much as they can.

    This all just does not have a future.

    • Agree: jsm
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @anon
  271. @BlackishRedpill

    “The Virgin family man who has 4 kids with one wife and 9 grandchildren is in fact more successful than the Chad game expert who has hundreds of sex partners and a single kid ”

    For years I have been bemused by the apparent refusal to accept this basic fact on the part of men, who continue to venerate the game guy. Of course, as I grew more aware of just how much popular culture is manipulated I also began to wonder if men do realise this and we’re just endlessly assured otherwise by corrupt commentators with an agenda. After all, most men marry rather than spend their lives chasing skirts which indicates deep down they know what’s what.

  272. @Anonymous Jew

    No. Human beings are not so shallow. Many are, but it would be absurd to take this cartoon seriously.

    https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2018/06/12/forty-five-things-i-learned-in-the-gulag/

    Forty-Five Things I Learned in the Gulag


    ……………

    22. I saw that women are more decent and self-sacrificing than men: in Kolyma there were no cases of a husband following his wife. But wives would come, many of them (Faina Rabinovich, Krivoshei’s wife).
    ………………

  273. anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    You do realize that if one sex in a given race goes extinct, the other one does too, right? So yes, yellow fever men who bash White women are celebrating their own extinction.

    I was talking about Hapa men not being popular with White women. Hapa men are popular with Asian women. As jsm says, they may not be popular with White women, but if White women are going extinct, being popular and mixing with them would reduce fitness.

  274. @Lurker

    Sounds like peer-review in hard-science STEM these days?

    Everyone published in your journal is somewhere “on the spectrum.” Clearer writing? More references? The fine paper spells out an original and significant research result. What they heck do you people want?

  275. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @photondancer

    @ “ I’ve not seen any evidence of women being disgusted by nobility. They may be a bit bored by the man who has nothing but goodness to offer but that suggests the goodness is negative (i.e. the man lacks vices rather than being actively good). “

    Thank you. This is the kind of thread that brings out the bad bits in both men and women, so double the appreciation for comments like this (and Intelligent Dasein’s).

  276. @Rosie

    Huh? What made you instantly jump to arena rock? It works for any musician. Troubadours were notoriously attractive to women in the middle ages. We still have the cliche of men serenading their chosen woman, centuries later. Being the centre of attention is definitely a factor, I think. Musicians who are there solely to provide background music to the main event (a big party, wedding) aren’t interesting to women. They are when the musician is the event.

    Humans are the only primate and one of the very few mammals that make music. It’s important to us on an instinctive level. It’s hardly surprising that someone who’s good as it would be attractive to others. Historically, it was the norm in many societies for any woman above servant class to be trained to sing, dance and play musical instruments for that reason.

  277. @Alden

    Actually Bruce Willis and Russell Crowe are pretty much regular sized men.

    Arnold is a different story. But steroids had a lot to do with that.

  278. @S. Anonyia

    You know what’s really unattractive? That characteristically mediaeval combination of being pig-ignorant and cock-sure.

    “Those who professed themselves unable to believe in the reality of human progress ought to cheer themselves up . . . by a short study of the Middle Ages. The hydrogen bomb, the South African Government, Chiang Kai-shek, Senator McCarthy himself, would then seem a light price to pay for no longer being in the Middle Ages. Had people ever been as nasty, as self-indulgent, as dull, as miserable, as cocksure, as bad at art, as dismally ludicrous, or as wrong as they’d been in the Middle Ages . . .” Kingsley Amis, Lucky Jim (1957).

  279. @Alden

    So…how about that Tom Brady? 😥

  280. @Gary in Gramercy

    “[E]ven Staten Island” was the coup de grace. Kudos.

    And here I was thinking that this was a distinction reserved for the “Garden” State.

  281. But- enough with old fashioned women. Embrace the new females ….https://www.timesofisrael.com/toronto-trans-girl-inspires-supportive-dad-to-design-non-binary-bikini-bottoms/

    Toronto trans girl inspires supportive dad to design non-binary bikini bottoms

    From a desire to see his daughter Ruby feel comfortable doing the activities she loves, Jamie Alexander developed form-fitting wear to hide undesired lumps and bumps

    ……..
    Twelve-year-old Ruby Alexander is the inspiration for RUBIES, form-fitting clothing for trans girls and nonbinary children and teens. Officially launched in fall 2020, the business has already gained an international following from families grateful for garments that provide their kids comfort and confidence.
    ……………………………………………..
    In response, Alexander set out to manufacture specialized bikini bottoms and one-piece bathing suits that “magically turn a pointy poker into a dainty dune,”
    according to the company’s marketing materials. The garments do so through a specialized combination of compression spandex and mesh that eliminates any need for tucking or padding.
    …………………………………
    According to her father, Ruby has generally been at ease with her transgender identity.

    “It certainly wasn’t a shock to us when she decided to transition, because it was really a gradual process over six years and we had time to acclimate,” he said.

    Ruby came out fully at school — with the support of teachers and administrators — in 5th grade. (She auditioned for her arts school as a boy and later enrolled as a girl.) However, her gender identity was evident at home long before that.

    “I’ve always been my inner girl at home. When I was little I would wear my mom’s high heels. I played with Bratz dolls and was obsessed with princesses. I also loved to sing and dance for hours to Beyonce and Britney Spears,” Ruby said.

    • Replies: @photondancer
  282. @Rosie

    Stop, Rosie, just stop. You’re making women look even stupider than folks here might suppose. You more effectively slam women inadvertently than others can achieve maliciously.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  283. @anon

    Some degree of Stockholm Syndrome seems to be part of the female psychological makeup. Given the difference in strength between the sexes, as a survival strategy it probably makes sense for women to submit in certain situations where they’re held captive. Whenever I read about women held captive for long periods it’s usually the case that the average man couldn’t be held captive under the same circumstances (even if that man had the strength of an average woman). The Ariel Castro case is a perfect example of this. In that case the women’s failure to escape seemed mostly psychological.

    This also reminds me of a study many years ago showing women become physically aroused (dilation/lubrication) by certain erotic images even when they’re mentally turned off. The theory was that this was a protection against potential physical harm during rape (tearing/bleeding and subsequent infection).

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  284. @anon

    This is why I mentioned Sarah Hrdy upthread. What both sexes want, as far as anthropologists can figure, is a stable relationship with someone who’s a good provider, and a few sneaky affairs on the side. The increasing number of genetic tests out there has brought with it some evidence that a lot of people (I’ve seen up to 20%) aren’t the genetic child of the man they call dad.

    With sperm and egg donors becoming more common and acceptable we’re seeing the beginning of a deliberate shift towards separating progeniture from relationships, where before it was always hidden and denied. If the trend continues it will be interesting to see what societal shifts it results in.

  285. @Mike Tre

    Remember Liv Tyler’s mother Bebe Buell was the notorious “muse” to a generation of rockstars including Jimmy Page and Mick Jagger. Todd Rundgren had the decency to serve as Liv Tyler’s father figure while Steven Tyler was out of his mind on drugs while Liv was growing up. Apparently Rundgren did not do a bad job.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebe_Buell

    Bebe Buell was a model and former Playmate of the Month.

    As a rock muse Buell did not inspire any particular song but perhaps more than a few 30 minute drum solos.

  286. Tony says:
    @Rockford Tyson

    If youre talking about the negro world, youre proven wrong. Unemployed ex cons be hittin it.

  287. @Thoughts

    PBS had a show on a sperm donor with dozens of offspring. He was exceedingly tall and handsome as a young man with male runway model quality looks. Problem as an adult he was a severe mental case and was living in a rundown trailer near the beach in California. Hopefully his mental illness was not hereditary.

  288. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    “LA Confidential is a favorite movie. But ugly Russell Crowe and Nordic Goddess Kim Basinger together is just gross and disgusting.”

    Yeah! Lucky for her she didn’t fall for somebody like Crowe’s character in real life and instead hooked up with universal heartthrob Alec Baldwin.

  289. Muggles says:

    Wow, this topic really gets people flying!

    Well, it beats COVID stats mongering. Or the daily WaPo ,NYT crazy talk.

    Well ladies and gentlemen, those in between or undecided, it’s all going to make those genetic engineered designer babies harder to figure out.

    If there is one truism yet to be discussed it is this: yes, beautiful people, esp when young, are very attractive depending upon one’s own preferences. Popular, etc. But judging from what I read many become very difficult to live with.

    Men and women. Partly it is fidelity. Lots of opportunity most don’t face. But also I think that from early years, those who benefit from looks (mainly) get lazy and don’t rely much on personality, talent or other virtues. It is a temptation most don’t have.

    After all, if you live with beautiful scenery every day, it becomes wall paper. Self centered people with many other choices (until age or bad habits take their toll) can be hard to live with. This is why I secretly enjoy reading the real Fake News tabloids about Brad and Angie (or take your pick). Now they hate each other but I am shamefully happy about their distress. Turns out putting pretty males and females in the same household for very long is like matter + antimatter.

    The resulting explosions are very powerful. There are exceptions of course. Good luck in designing your genetic offspring!

  290. Rosie says:
    @TWS

    Rosie the problem is that somebody needs to protect women from themselves.

    The only creature I’ve seen as suicidal and self-destructive as women are sheep.

    Meanwhile, here on planet Earth, men are more likely to:

    Get thrown in jail.
    Die of a drug overdose.
    Kill themselves in a car accident.
    Kill themselves on purpose with a bullet to the head.
    Work themselves to death.
    Bomb whole cities into oblivion.

    Now who needs to be protected from themselves?

  291. @anon

    The NBA has a simple rule set for players. Allegedly they repeat it a lot, especially to the newbies who probably can’t afford to be on the hook for child support:

    1. Always wear a condom.
    2. Always flush it yourself.

    Do these fall under the three-second violation?

    If more than one woman is involved, is it ruled traveling?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  292. @Rosie

    Those things don’t make you more attractive. They draw golddiggers. I guess if you’re ok with that, it all comes to the same thing anyway. How much is Michael Moore worth?

    Michael Moore went lesbian so he doesn’t have to worry about it.

  293. @Rosie

    Five out of six of those, they probably did on behalf of their women and children.

    Bad Men.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  294. Rosie says:
    @S. Anonyia

    These dudes here (with the exception of Whiskey whose presence is thankfully rare these days) are honestly pretty mild compared to the anonymous commentariat on other manosphere-adjacent sites.

    I don’t doubt it. I hang around here to prevent it becoming that, as bitter experience has taught me that dissident Right men need a babysitter at all times or they will go completely off the deep end.

    That said, it’s pretty bad here as it is. Anonymous trolls get away with outright, demonstrable lies about women that dehumanize us. A fellow on this thread said, point blank, women don’t care about music (Dumbo, Comment #82). We just like musicians because they’re influential, preselected high-quality mates or something. We’re like fruitfulness. Any apparent interest we might have in anything distinctly human is just cover for some biological imperative (reproduction).

    Now think for a minute how patently absurd that is. Over half of harpists, violinists, and flutist in world-class symphonies are women. You can argue about whether affirmative action had something to do with that, but one thing is very clear: You can’t even come anywhere close to the elite ranks of music if you “don’t care” about it. If I said something that insulting and laughable about men on this site, I’d get piled on. But crap like that would pass without notice if I nor Allen were here. That’s sad.

  295. @Rosie

    Meanwhile, here on planet Earth, men are more likely to:

    Get thrown in jail.
    Die of a drug overdose.
    Kill themselves in a car accident.
    Kill themselves on purpose with a bullet to the head.
    Work themselves to death.
    Bomb whole cities into oblivion.

    Yes, but we do it all for you.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  296. SafeNow says:

    “What do women want?”

    Their sovereignty.
    (Chaucer, Wife of Bath’s Tale)

    It is too bad the traditional canon was “refreshed.”

  297. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    She was/is something. Nick Cave thought so too: https://consequenceofsound.net/2019/08/nick-cave-pj-harvey-breakup/

    I always liked Sheela-na-gig, and 50ft Queenie.

  298. Brutusale says:
    @Trinity

    Sophia Loren
    Raquel Welch
    Angie Dickinson
    Joey Heatherton
    Ann-Margret

    I think these five women have far more in common, physically, with Lita Ford than with Joan Jett.

    Tell us where Bad Lita touched you!

  299. AceDeuce says:
    @Alden

    “are” the kind of men, Sweetie. Not “is”. Nighty night.

  300. Rosie says:
    @GeneralRipper

    Five out of six of those, they probably did on behalf of their women and children.

    Bad Men.

    1. Bullsh!t.
    2. Irrelevant.

  301. jsm says:
    @anon

    COOL! Let them go to SE Asia and East Asia, then. True, the Manosphere guy won’t see his grandkids, but , ya know, tradeoffs must be made…

    Still, somehow, I kinda doubt that’s gonna happen. Seems like the Asians in Asia are trying to immigrate HERE, as opposed to the reverse.

    No. What’s gonna happen to those Hapa boys in America, the White girls won’t want them, and the SE and E Asian girls here who are willing to race-mix will take The Best (White men) because there are plenty to go around, not settle for Hapas,

    So a Manosphere American who marries a Yellow girl, in his self-indulgent whim to “get his,” is dooming his own sons to a lifetime of involuntary celibacy. The selfishness is almost beyond belief.

    But Manosphere, from what I’ve seen, is not exactly known for cool-headed logical thinking if it makes him unhaaaappppyyyy.

    • Replies: @anon
  302. Rosie says:
    @James Speaks

    Yes, but we do it all for you.

    Right, because a man who is either dead or in jail is really useful to us. Thanks for that.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  303. Flip says:
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    I knew a woman in California who had a child by a sperm donor (Danish-Irish ancestry) and she said that she went to a meet-up once of sperm donor mothers and that it was like attending a meeting at Himmler’s breeding program.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  304. @Anonymous Jew

    This also reminds me of a study many years ago showing women become physically aroused (dilation/lubrication) by certain erotic images even when they’re mentally turned off. The theory was that this was a protection against potential physical harm during rape (tearing/bleeding and subsequent infection).

    The alternative explanation being very unPC which is that this is the natural response for women but they are conditioned to believe otherwise. The mind says no but the body says yes.

    Both Christian and liberal beliefs regarding female sexuality seem rather convenient and are centered around a desire for women to be the moral of the two genders.

  305. @Bardon Kaldian

    Two thoughts:
    1. wait till he hits full puberty. I defy spandex to hold it in then. Of course, the puberty blockers might assist with that;
    2. I wonder if he goes around at school sneering “you’re not really a girl” to all the girls who don’t play with Bratz dolls or sing along to Britney.

    • LOL: Rosie
  306. Rosie says:
    @Alice in Wonderland

    Stop, Rosie, just stop. You’re making women look even stupider than folks here might suppose. You more effectively slam women inadvertently than others can achieve maliciously.

    Au contraire. That’s your jam. This place would turn into an ever-more ridiculous laughingstock without me, while you contribute nothing whatsoever.

    You should change your handle. Lewis Carroll wouldn’t approve of your disgraceful obsequiousness.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
  307. @Flip

    I knew a woman in California who had a child by a sperm donor (Danish-Irish ancestry) and she said that she went to a meet-up once of sperm donor mothers and that it was like attending a meeting at Himmler’s breeding program.

    I’m surprised the left hasn’t caught on to this. They have after all tried banning dog breeding in a few far-left cities. A picture of single women with pictures of their My Little Aryans would send egalitarians into a tizzy.

    The irony is that a lot of those women were undoubtedly liberal in their 20s and 30s.

    Then they looked at their limited options around 40 and got basted.

    I just want to know what they say to the extended family around Christmas time. Do they lie about the father or just straight up say that they bought some sperm?

  308. @Malla

    That has not been my experience. “great emotions” and “great sex” are not the two best strategies.

    That being said, I know that if you were as brave and hardworking and honest as me, you would agree, and if you had not been any of those things, you would disagree —– and trust me, I am too kind-hearted to want to goad you into disagreeing.

    • Replies: @Malla
  309. @Bardon Kaldian

    deep waters

    Shalamov’s list of what he learned in the Gulag is the best non-Biblical list I have ever read

    that being said, he was talking about Russian guys. not the best among white men, when it comes to being good husbands. the best in other ways, but not in that way.

    remember their history. Tartars, and worse, and centuries of peasants allowing their wives to endure serfdom. crazy guys, not completely their fault, but most white populations revolted long before the Russians finally did!

  310. @R.G. Camara

    You lack reading comprehension. I said women are attracted to men fighting for a cause, which is part of nobility. Conversely, merely refraining from crime and vice does not make a man noble. Neither does demanding his wife, a human being equal to himself, degrade herself into being nothing more than an ambulatory sex doll.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  311. Rosie says:

    Both Christian and liberal beliefs regarding female sexuality seem rather convenient and are centered around a desire for women to be the moral of the two genders.

    Hmmm. They may be “convenient,” but they’re also very consistent with the observable facts, ridiculous vaginal lubrication studies notwithstanding. Take a brief stroll through the Ten Commandments and it’s fairly easy to see which sex is more likely to violate them.

    Although men are less likely to be saints, they’re great deal more likely to be heroes. If a child needs rescued from a burning building, a man is probably going to be the one to rush in and get her.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/media-spotlight/201711/are-psychopathy-and-heroism-two-sides-the-same-coin

  312. Rosie says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Grow your will, self-respect & dignity.

    This. Some of the practical advice manospherians give is sort of right, but for all the wrong reasons. The manosphere says to pretend not to care. What is much better is to really not care.

    A man who believes that happiness is to be found anywhere but moral virtue and/or love of God is not trustworthy, because if today he believes he needs an attractive wife to be happy, tomorrow he may come to believe that he needs a different or another attractive wife to be happy (i.e. one that isn’t you.)

    Lady Philosophy explains it all here:

  313. @S. Anonyia

    lol. You moron, the entire plot of the first Thor movie is that THOR IS SO ARROGANT HE IS NOW UNWORTHY. Sequel movies show him struggling to tamper down on his natural cockiness and be more of a team member.

    And Thor’s persona is constantly as a hothead who attacks and enjoys the roughness of battle. He’s a violent, bad boy thug at heart—just one with enough rules to make the dudes in the audience root for him.

    It’s like you didn’t even watch the movies. The again, your denalism is typical female hampster sophistry: “Oh he’s not an arrogant bad boy, he’s really sweet, you just don’t know him.”

    Stupid woman.

    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    , @Clyde
  314. @Reg Cæsar

    If more than one woman is involved, that’s double-dribbling.

  315. @Wade Hampton

    Wade H,
    I must respectfully disagree – Gwyneth Paltrow and Blythe Danner at age 30 are near dead-ringers for each other.

    https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/306174474664518220/

    I agree with you about the young Demi Moore: “dewy” indeed!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thecut.com/amp/2019/11/whats-in-demi-moores-memoir.html

    • Replies: @Clyde
  316. @R.G. Camara

    Weak trolling attempt. Being a jock type doesn’t make a someone a thug. Also, that’s the plot from ONE movie- how many appearances does he make in the ever expanding Marvel universe? Too many; I gave up watching after the first one with Thanos (probably because I aged out of it). Also Loki was clearly the interesting “bad boy” of the Thor saga. He had more fan girls than Thor in the early 2010s. That probably irritates you.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @R.G. Camara
  317. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bad thing, in most manospheroid advice columns & sites: women are basically whores & gold-diggers incapable of anything “higher”;

    Citations requested. Links? Names of authors and their books?

    Instead of seriously working on changing absurd aspects of divorce laws & whole whorish cultural climate,

    You literally know nothing about the ‘sphere. This isn’t too surprising since you are thousands of miles away from the US, but then again search engines are not complicated. Links have been posted on Unz and iSteve more than once pointing to actual manosphere sites, I guess you missed those.

    IMO you aren’t serious about this, you’re just striking a pose of some sort.

    The word for that is “poseur”, by the way.

    • LOL: Rosie
  318. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @jsm

    But Manosphere, from what I’ve seen, is not exactly known for cool-headed logical thinking if it makes him unhaaaappppyyyy.

    I’m pretty sure I know exactly where the unhaaapy meme was first coined, and who wrote it.

    lol.

  319. anon[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    This place would turn into an ever-more ridiculous laughingstock without me,

    • LOL: R.G. Camara
  320. anon[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    This place would turn into an ever-more ridiculous laughingstock without me

  321. anon[507] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Those things don’t make you more attractive.

    They sure do. Power, dominance, charm, confidence…all are male attractiveness traits which viscerally arouse women. Spend time around powerful, charismatic men and you’ll quickly observe the unbidden lustful leers and lip licking flirtations of the beautiful women in the company of these men.

    You seem to operate under the mistaken assumption that men and women are alike under the skin, and it’s causing you to project your understanding of the primacy of women’s looks to their own sexual market value onto men, failing to realize or accept that women are not as singuarly focused on men’s looks as men are on women’s looks.

    Men and women have evolved different attraction triggers. The biggest difference is the emphasis on looks; it’s (almost) everything to men. Women, in contrast, have evolved a more holistic mate value assessment template.

    This isn’t to say that male looks don’t matter at all to women. That is a strawman. Rather, male looks aren’t the dealbreaker for women that female looks are for men.

    Men dig beauty.
    Chicks dig power.
    The rest is commentary.

    They draw golddiggers.

    Sour grapes. Heartless golddiggers are less common than women (and men) imagine (probably because it is the nature of both sexes to denigrate HSMV winners). Women genuinely, and without calculation or guile, fall deeply, truly in love with rich men all the time, with much the same unimpeachable sincerity that men fall deeply, truly in love with young hotties sporting perfect 0.7 waist-hip ratios.

    Of course you will fulminate against these cosmic truths and lash out at your “manosphere” bogeychad, so here’s a sampling of SCIENCE to help the bitter pill go down:

    ——
    When we strained our subjects’ attentional capacities, we found exactly what I had suspected several decades before: Men overestimated the number of beautiful women (though their estimates of handsome men were unaffected). Female subjects also overestimated the frequency of gorgeous women in the rapidly presented crowds, but they did not overestimate the frequency of handsome men. The whole body of findings points to a simple conclusion about beautiful women: They capture everyone’s attention and monopolize downstream cognitive processes. The conclusion about handsome men is different: They grab women’s eyes but do not hold their minds; good-looking guys quickly get washed out of the stream of mental processing.

    […]

    Subjects in the control group first judged the artistic merit of abstract paintings such as Josef Albers’s Homage to the Square. The men in the experimental group saw centerfolds from Playboy and Penthouse; the women saw handsome naked men from Playgirl. After they had looked at either paintings or centerfolds, we asked our participants to rate their feelings about their current relationship partners. Again, there was a cover story — that psychologists were divided on whether being in a relationship opened people up to new aesthetic experiences or made them less open to novelty. To test which side was right, we told them, we needed to know about the extent to which their reported level of commitment depended on whether they had seen centerfolds.

    Once again, the results displayed a curious gender difference:

    Men who had viewed the centerfolds rated themselves as less in love with their partners; women’s judgments of their partners were not so easily swayed.

    […]

    But lest we’re too quick to assume men are the only ones who conform to the worst of their gender’s stereotypes, women didn’t fare much better when the experiment was repeated with power rather than beauty as the variable:

    Seeing a series of socially dominant men undermined women’s commitment, just as seeing attractive women had done to men’s.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140715072848/http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2013/07/03/kenrick-beauty/

    ——

    [T]he current work drew from 4 independent, longitudinal studies to examine sex differences in the implications of partner physical attractiveness for trajectories of marital satisfaction. In all 4 studies, both partners’ physical attractiveness was objectively rated at baseline, and both partners reported their marital satisfaction up to 8 times over the first 4 years of marriage. Whereas husbands were more satisfied at the beginning of the marriage and remained more satisfied over the next 4 years to the extent that they had an attractive wife, wives were no more or less satisfied initially or over the next 4 years to the extent that they had an attractive husband. Most importantly, a direct test indicated that partner physical attractiveness played a larger role in predicting husbands’ satisfaction than predicting wives’ satisfaction. These findings strengthen support for the idea that sex differences in self-reported preferences for physical attractiveness do have implications for long-term relationship outcomes.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141222135953/http://meinnaturwissenschaftsblog.blogspot.com/2014/07/sex-differences-in-implications-of.html

    ——

    Study finds male and female brains respond differently to visual stimuli

    […]The emotion control center of the brain, the amygdala, shows significantly higher levels of activation in males viewing sexual visual stimuli than females viewing the same images, according to a Center for Behavioral Neuroscience study led by Emory University psychologists Stephan Hamann and Kim Wallen. The finding, which appears in the April edition of “Nature Neuroscience,” demonstrates how men and women process visual sexual stimuli differently, and it may explain gender variations in reproductive behavior. […]

    The fMRI scans revealed significantly higher levels of activation in the amygdala, which controls emotion and motivation, in the brains of the male subjects compared to the females, despite the fact that both males and females expressed similar subjective assessments of their levels of arousal after viewing the images.

    Hamann and Wallen had a separate group pre-select the images to ensure they would be equally arousing to both males and females.

    “If males and females found the pictures equally arousing, you would assume they would have similar patterns of brain activation,” said Hamann. “But we discovered the male brain seems to process visual sexual cues differently.”

    The scientists’ discovery also is consistent with an evolutionary theory that natural selection spurred the development of different sexual behaviors in males and females.

    “There is an advantage for males in quickly recognizing and responding to receptive females through visual cues,” explains Hamann. “This allows them to maximize their mating opportunities, which increases their chances for passing on their genes.”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141004080734/http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040316072953.htm
    ——

    That last study is a sex difference humdinger, because it directly measured brain activation rather than indirectly through surveys or behavioral analysis.

    Men are more viscerally aroused by female looks than are women by male looks. Men, therefore, can neither rely on their looks to get and keep women, nor excuse their failure with women based on their looks.

  322. Rob McX says:

    What’s the situation regarding citizenship of these sperm donor babies? I can imagine a rich African or Asian going down that route if the baby will have the nationality of its biological father. And God help the unfortunate child once the parents secure residency in the white donor’s country.

  323. Rosie says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Also Loki was clearly the interesting “bad boy” of the Thor saga. He had more fan girls than Thor in the early 2010s. That probably irritates you.

    This! Loki is the original f***ing bad boy! And yes, he’s hot! Indeed, he illustrates the whole appeal of the bad boy: He survives, until, tragically, he doesn’t. Cockiness is quite beside the point.

    In the original stories, at least as they’ve come down to us, Thor is an ultraconventional, sometimes dull and rather unappealing “jock type” as you say, like the football playing/ criminal justice majoring midwits you remember from college. He becomes a gallant gentlemen in the comics, of course.

  324. Rosie says:
    @anon

    Sour grapes. Heartless golddiggers are less common than women (and men) imagine (probably because it is the nature of both sexes to denigrate HSMV winners).

    Yes, heartless gold diggers are indeed rare. Here, I’ll modify my original statement:

    If you’re an ugly SOAB, power andwealth aren’t going to help you, though they may draw gold diggers. On the other hand, if you’re an ok-looking guy, that will make you more attractive than you would otherwise be.

    Now, when you say, looks are “not a dealbreaker,” you are incorrect. Nothing is going to make a fat, balding old man attractive to a young woman, even if he’s a literal king. If she is going to marry him, she will have to be forced. Capiche?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Jon Halpenny
  325. Clyde says:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    Demi–Blame it on Rio 1984. (who knows where the time goes)

  326. Clyde says:
    @R.G. Camara

    I like your posts but how can you fall for getting so emotionally involved with a retarded Thor comic book movie. Get real!

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  327. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    Query: If wealth and power are so important to women, why do they tend to marry men their own age?

    And if rich and powerful old men and beautiful young women are a match made in heaven, why the high divorce rates?

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-bigger-the-age-gap-the-shorter-the-marriage-2014-11-11

    Note, these divorce rates are real-world facts, not contrived laboratory experiments with pictures.

  328. Bert says:

    Hypergamy is inaccurate as a technical term for describing mating preferences of women. Both sexes are hypergamic, meaning choosy, meaning wanting gametes from a person who is above average. Male hypergamy is focused on the biological and psychological characteristics of women. Female hypergamy is focused on the economic and social characteristics of men.

    Female mate preference would be more accurately described by calling it “plutogamy”, from the Greek “ploutos” meaning “wealth.” Plutogamy is a logically expected outcome of natural selection in a pair-bonding hunter-gatherer foraging ecology wherein males provide most of the protein and all of the hides, sinew and marrow, but mostly to their mate and joint offspring. The goal of a plutogamic female is to identify competence (in an older male) or the potential for competence (in a younger male).

    • Replies: @anon
  329. @Rosie

    ” If she is going to marry him, she will have to be forced. Capiche? ”

    I haven’t heard that Harvey Weinstein’s two wives were literally forced to marry him.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  330. Polistra says:
    @anon

    Good Lord. Now she’s suddenly claiming that some of her comments aren’t actually hers at all? Let me guess–the ones for which she’s particularly humiliated? Oh, my sides, my sides.

    This was classic Online Psycho Girl technique since the mid-90s. I haven’t seen it for awhile, but then I don’t haunt Reddit or Jezebel. “Those posts? I didn’t write those posts! My “husband” / “boyfriend” / “alter ego” / “cat” wrote those posts!” Oh, my sides.

  331. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    About Fabio and Arnold upper pecs; I’ve read that Arnold’s set the standard for decades after his time, by when he was the worlds highest paid actor. Amazing how such a relatively recondite aspect of physiques what seals the deal for bodybuilding judging and romance novel purchase. Arnold’s acting abilities and looks were backed by his monstrous upper clavicular heads. You’d think for women it is a man’s six-pack, but that’s growth hormone, not rare genetics for masculine qualities

    • Replies: @Bert
    , @Anonymous
  332. @John Johnson

    This is happening everywhere.

    Liberalism will be taking a major hit due to dysgenics.

    We can hope.

    Yet…

    1) Liberalism is importing footsoldiers by the boatload.

    2) Re indoctrination: “Liberals don’t need to make children; they have yours.”

    3) As liberalism is plainly dysgenic, it should have been bred out long ago, yet somehow it persists and grows.

    This hit better come soon, and it better be big.

    Maybe we shouldn’t hold our breath waiting for it though.

  333. @John Johnson

    Agree with all of above, but

    The solution is to move to a rural area. The city game is a waste of time for most guys. TV is lying and the schools are also doing a disservice by encouraging urban living.

    would make sense for guys, except that when all the young women have gone urban, who are the guys gonna marry in the ruralistans?

    If you can get the women to go (or better yet, stay) rural, it will be no problem convincing the men.

    Ironically, the Left’s twin pet projects in 2020 of urban rioting and mass house arrest may have done more to convince everyone of the virtues of rural living than all of history’s rightwing hectoring combined.

  334. Bert says:
    @Sean

    At several years older than Arnold, I look far better than he does, and better than many, maybe most, college kids. I never bulked up, just did large sets (e.g. 85 reps per set) at moderate resistance.

    Sad how bulking turns out in later life.
    http://redywuwox.blogspot.com/2011/05/arnold-schwarzenegger-now-and-before_10.html

  335. @Rosie

    “And if rich and powerful old men and beautiful young women are a match made in heaven, why the high divorce rates?”

    Alimony? Although surely it’s better to hang in there and inherit.

  336. Rosie says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    I haven’t heard that Harvey Weinstein’s two wives were literally forced to marry him.

    Then they were golddiggers. There is no way you’re going to convert that women are actually attracted to that ugly sumbitch. If it did, you’d see highly mismatched couples like that everywhere. I’ll tell you, if you’ve ever traveled to a Third World country, you do see itn quite a bit, because the women there have no choice.

  337. @black sea

    A new edition of the book What Women Want is coming out soon, and is 500+ pages long.

    [MORE]

    All the pages are blank.

  338. @Wade Hampton

    Another example of reversion to the mean is Gwyneth Paltrow, the daughter of the divine Blythe Dinner. Not ugly, but not as pretty as her mother by any stretch of the imagination.

    And a lot dumber too.

    • Replies: @JimB
  339. Liza says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I shook hands with Barenboim once. He is extremely classy.

    Nothing classy about the way he treated his sick wife Jacqueline du Pre. While she was sick as a dog with MS in England, he was off in another country, shacked up with another woman and producing kids with her. Jacqueline found this out in an “extremely” painful way, too. Like she didn’t have enough on her plate.

  340. @Rosie

    Hmmm. They may be “convenient,” but they’re also very consistent with the observable facts, ridiculous vaginal lubrication studies notwithstanding. Take a brief stroll through the Ten Commandments and it’s fairly easy to see which sex is more likely to violate them.

    It’s more an issue of degree. I wouldn’t put one gender morally ahead of the other anymore than I would with lions or hyenas.

    But liberals and Christians want to believe in a female purity that doesn’t exist. They want to believe that male-dominated society and moral corruption by men (for liberals it is White men) turn innocent snowflakes into conspiring temptresses.

    The female attraction to psychopaths is once such example. We aren’t even allowed to talk about it let alone study it. My town used to have a home for abused women and it was always full. Is it really that hard to find a man that doesn’t hit you? There is clearly more to this than innocent women falling into the hands of abusers. Numerous studies have shown that female sexuality is not exactly what we want it to be but the establishment clings to the “bad men dun it” belief.

    Eventually it will come out that race exists and gender isn’t designed by God/Mother nature to favor modern ideals. That doesn’t mean the world will end. It just means that egalitarians will have to stop lying and focus on where we can actually improve things.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  341. @Almost Missouri

    3) As liberalism is plainly dysgenic, it should have been bred out long ago, yet somehow it persists and grows.

    This hit better come soon, and it better be big.

    Here is how it will happen.

    A third rail movement will come and they won’t have the intellectual firepower to deal with it because too many liberals aborted their children or became dog moms. This movement will most likely be much different than right/left and liberals will not be able to resort to their textbook tactics of calling people names or pleading to academic authority.

    The liberals dominate the colleges and look at how poor of an offense they muster against websites like this one.

    A liberal here admitted to me that equal outcomes aren’t possible but we should lie anyways. One of few liberals that even bother to defend the status quo.

    So they spend years in college studying egalitarian fluff and then come to Unz only to admit that it is all a lie. Or they troll and just try to dilute the conversation.

    They have near-complete control but their ideology is built upon lies. The right counter-movement will completely topple them.

  342. @Rosie

    Same reason why men in general tend to not marry 19-year-old super models* – it’s a market, and most can’t afford whatever they want. Same reason people tend to marry others of relatively equal physical attractiveness; because they have to. I’d love to do a nationwide search for a right wing Ashkenazi that looks like a 20-something Natalie Portman. But I guess the attractive (as me) 40-something right of center (nowadays a ‘Nazi’) and Ashkenazi Mrs Anonymous Jew will do. (Finding a right-leaning secular Jewish girl was hard work as it is, but I digress).

    *as noted before on these forums, I’m convinced the modeling industry is controlled by gay men which is why contemporary models are often tall, masculine and flat. If models were selected for male animalistic attraction they would tend more feminine and curvy – eg smaller jaws and wider hips. There’s a picture of Gisele Bundchen on the beach with one of her sisters. Next to her far more feminine sister, Gisele looks like a tranny. (I would rather have the sister any day and twice on Sunday).

    • Replies: @Rosie
  343. @anon

    Men are more viscerally aroused by female looks than are women by male looks. Men, therefore, can neither rely on their looks to get and keep women, nor excuse their failure with women based on their looks.

    I wouldn’t go that far.

    A man can use charm / looks / whatever to get a woman for a weekend but that doesn’t mean he can then sit on the couch the rest of his life while she works and cooks.

    Both men and women use a point system.

    If a man is fun to be around a woman will let a lot slide. Likewise if a woman is pretty a man will put up with quite a bit.

    The incelosphere really needs to get out and view women in their natural habitat. They date poor and weird looking men all the time. I know a guy that is poor, short and skinny and yet has a nice woman. This is because he is likable. People like being around him. This idea that women are all looking for millionaires with horse size junk is internet fiction.

  344. Simon Watson, 41, has been an unlicensed sperm donor for 16 years, donating once a week.

    Hells Bells, you need a license for that? I wonder what type of training and certification are required? Is there a test to get this license? I mean, I have to do an actual road test in my car to prove I can drive and receive a license for that, so…

  345. @Rosie

    You are so dim that you posted that all members of royalty are good-looking, when the Crown Prince of the World’s most important dynasty is ugly. I don’t even need to search to prove you wrong.

    Looks are not that important to a woman. Women primarilly look for *interpersonal dominance and status* in men. This is true all throughout life. At any high school, the most popular girls are those that just look the best, but the most popular boys are the ones that are varsity athletes, or have the ricch daddy and the Ferrari, or whatever.

    To women, a man’s physical attractiveness is a “plus” but it’s not the fundamental. I have seen tall, good-looking guys that are scorned by women because they don’t have the bad boy attitude and psyshological dominance that women crave. I have heard women say that they would never date a man that had an interest in chess, or RPGs, opr computers.

    Women want attractiveness in men, my ass. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen 70 year-old ugly men surrounded by models at the club just because they were some rich guy with a yatch, or because he was throwing money around.

    Women are whores, through and through. They just seek to take from men. Men *always( pay for sex. Always. It is in the nature of females to be leeches and suck off the oposite sex.

  346. @anon

    Exactly. You nailed it. It’s not about looks at all. It’s just that the guy is a famous rock star. If the same guy were a street vagrant, women wouldn’t give him the time of day. He would just be known as the bum with the nice hair.

  347. @John Johnson

    LOL, sure I have read a lot of romance novels for women where the object of desire was a plumber. Idiot.

    “Most women just want a husband with a stable income. They aren’t looking for rock stars or wealthy lawyers”

    No, they *settle* for the husband with the stable income because they can’t get the rock stars or rich laywer husbands.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  348. @Almost Missouri

    Re (3):

    The difference in fertility between the left and the right is small enough, and human generations are long enough, that it will take a long time for the dysgenic effects of being a Sh-t Lib to be felt. Also, we don’t know how long there’s been a significant fertility advantage for right wingers. Given what life was like before the pill, I’m guessing this is a recent trend.

    The left is winning US elections solely due to immigration. If we had the same demographics we had as recently as 1980 and all groups voted the same, Republicans would win every presidential election in a landslide. That wouldn’t solve our problems, but it would temper the current woke/SJW craziness.

    With everything going on in the world the fertility advantage of right wing Whites over left wing Whites is one of the few silver linings. Just have kids. I don’t have many, but most of the urban Seattle libtards I grew up with (now in our 40s) have none. My four childhood best friends from Seattle have produced zero children.

  349. @Clyde

    I get emotionally involved when idiot women claim black is white about their obsession with arrogant bad boy behavior and deny it.

    I’m just sick of the female gaslighting. I understand they get wet for such men and can’t help it, but when they try to lie about it is when I get pissed.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Clyde
  350. kikz says:

    with 3 daughters in their 20’s, and w/the twins unattached…. these daZe…i’m passing along a meme which shows Mad Max w/his dog.. the meme reads….

    Ladies, it’s time to start thinking about if the guy you’re dating has post apocalyptic warlord potential……………………………

    i’m only half.. kidding…..for them…… i’d prefer a good alpha-mix, at least a BS in sciences………possibly even a vet whose not splintered mentally….no sports nut, tool/weapon usage, tech knowledge, loves kids/dogs/cats, not too many tatts.. i despise them.. but.. well ya know.. and for God sakes.. nice hands.. musical ability a plus…. blond N. Euro extraction would be jackpot!

    they in turn have to offer, BS in InfoSec/Tech, can work from home, want kids, land at city utility’s end, gun friendly. need additional instruction as ‘chef’…. 🙂 would like them to stay in South, or at least in the great country of TX. yankees would need waiver.. lol!

  351. anon[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Captain Tripps

    She looks ok. Like someone’s mom.
    Pretty good for a 60 year old woman who hasn’t had too much work done.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  352. anon[507] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bert

    Interesting comment, Bert. I’d describe what men do when they are looking for the best mate market deal possible as “physiogamy”: a desire to trade up in women’s facial attractiveness. There is a psychological component as well; most men don’t want to date crazy broads or sluts who would be infidelity risks. (Yes, women with a high premarital coque count are more likely to cheat on their bfs/husbands. This is a robust social science finding. It’s why men prefer debt-free virgins without tattoos).

    Still, I’d hesitate to draw a hypergamy equivalence between the sexes. The old saw is true: men date across and down, women date across and up. It’s really a function of the cheapness of sperm and the expense of eggs. Biomechanically, women will always be the more “in-demand” sex, and therefore women’s hypergamous instinct will always be both stronger and more easily fulfilled than men’s physiogamic instinct.

    Only the top 5% alpha males break this Darwinian algorithm, because their scarcity boosts the value of their sperm.

    In the field, I just don’t see men acting as “hypergamously” as women. There’s a reason “garbage hour” at the bar or club is 10:1 men to women, and the women are the lsmv chubsters taking advantage of a window of opportunity when the hotter women have gone home. IMO male phsyiogamy is mitigated by the more urgent male sex drive and the less life-altering consequences of sex for men. It’s conspicuously obvious that men on the whole don’t have the libidinal patience to wait it out for Ms Right when Mz Right Now pings the target acquisition radar. Women, in contrast, are like sexual camels; they can wait it out a long time for a broasis that slakes her thirst.

    When the time comes to commit or marry, men get choosy real fast. Women otoh are always choosy, and if they wait too long to marry are usually forced by post-nubility reality to be LESS choosy.

    Men are also more reasonable about how high they aim. Women are stereotypically the sex with the 463 bullet point checklist.

    Women simply invest more psychological energy into dating up than men do.

    To sum up, male hypergamy is different in degree *and* kind from female hypergamy.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  353. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    Same reason why men in general tend to not marry 19-year-old super models* – it’s a market, and most can’t afford whatever they want.

    Lol ok. Beautiful young women marry strapping young bucks rather than fat, pot-bellied old men because they don’t have any choice. Keep telling yourself that.

  354. Rosie says:
    @R.G. Camara

    I get emotionally involved when idiot women claim black is white about their obsession with arrogant bad boy behavior and deny it.

    Speaking of black and white, if women like bad boys so much, why are all races of women averse to black men except black women? Aren’t they the ultimate bad boys?

    The overwhelming majority of sexual paraphiliacs are men. There are far more male pedophiles than there are female hybristiphiles. It is no more reasonable to judge women by a tiny minority of mentally ill defective than it is to do the same to men.

    You are a liar and a troll, and not even a smart one at that.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
  355. Rosie says:
    @anon

    When the time comes to commit or marry, men get choosy real fast.

    Sounds like hypergamy to me, unless you’re just going to define the term so that it only includes what women do, in which case, it becomes rather transparently misogynist.

    Men are also more reasonable about how high they aim.

    I’ve seen no evidence whatsoever for this claim.

  356. @John Johnson

    I think badboy-ism is a reproductive strategy that probably only arises in the later stages of civilization – it tends to mimic high status by performing things like independence and rebellion.

    It isn’t merely mimicking. Women are attracted to confidence and men that they feel can protect them.

    If a guy is too submissive to a woman then there is an innate fear that he would be too submissive to a threat.

    I used “bad boy” in the commonly accepted sense that the subject is refusing to conform to social standards or refusing to accept his status in a social hierarchy.

    Clearly, plenty of “bad boys” feign confidence, or display confidence that their fists can’t back up. Steven Tyler (like most other rock stars) doesn’t look like he could whip a gnat if you tied one of its wings back.

    So confidence is a form of mimicry, where the confidence doesn’t correlate to any physical power or ability – which is what plenty of “bad boys” display.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  357. Clyde says:
    @R.G. Camara

    That’s legit. Thanks for the explanation.

  358. @Rosie

    “Although men are less likely to be saints, they’re great deal more likely to be heroes.”

    I keep throwing Roy Baumeister at people, but this is also relevant.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/being-a-man

    One of the least visited memorials in Washington is a waterfront statue commemorating the men who died on the Titanic. Seventy-four percent of the women passengers survived the April 15, 1912, calamity, while 80 percent of the men perished. Why? Because the men followed the principle “women and children first.”

    Baumeister.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150311033220/http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm

    When I say I am researching how culture exploits men, the first reaction is usually “How can you say culture exploits men, when men are in charge of everything?” This is a fair objection and needs to be taken seriously. It invokes the feminist critique of society. This critique started when some women systematically looked up at the top of society and saw men everywhere: most world rulers, presidents, prime ministers, most members of Congress and parliaments, most CEOs of major corporations, and so forth — these are mostly men.

    Seeing all this, the feminists thought, wow, men dominate everything, so society is set up to favor men. It must be great to be a man.

    The mistake in that way of thinking is to look only at the top. If one were to look downward to the bottom of society instead, one finds mostly men there too. Who’s in prison, all over the world, as criminals or political prisoners? The population on Death Row has never approached 51% female. Who’s homeless? Again, mostly men. Whom does society use for bad or dangerous jobs? US Department of Labor statistics report that 93% of the people killed on the job are men. Likewise, who gets killed in battle? Even in today’s American army, which has made much of integrating the sexes and putting women into combat, the risks aren’t equal. This year we passed the milestone of 3,000 deaths in Iraq, and of those, 2,938 were men, 62 were women.

    One can imagine an ancient battle in which the enemy was driven off and the city saved, and the returning soldiers are showered with gold coins. An early feminist might protest that hey, all those men are getting gold coins, half of those coins should go to women. In principle, I agree. But remember, while the men you see are getting gold coins, there are other men you don’t see, who are still bleeding to death on the battlefield from spear wounds.

    That’s an important first clue to how culture uses men. Culture has plenty of tradeoffs, in which it needs people to do dangerous or risky things, and so it offers big rewards to motivate people to take those risks. Most cultures have tended to use men for these high-risk, high-payoff slots much more than women. I shall propose there are important pragmatic reasons for this. The result is that some men reap big rewards while others have their lives ruined or even cut short. Most cultures shield their women from the risk and therefore also don’t give them the big rewards. I’m not saying this is what cultures ought to do, morally, but cultures aren’t moral beings. They do what they do for pragmatic reasons driven by competition against other systems and other groups.

  359. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    About Fabio and Arnold upper pecs; I’ve read that Arnold’s set the standard for decades after his time, by when he was the worlds highest paid actor. Amazing how such a relatively recondite aspect of physiques what seals the deal for bodybuilding judging and romance novel purchase. Arnold’s acting abilities and looks were backed by his monstrous upper clavicular heads.

    Yes, Arnold’s most famous body part was his chest, particularly his upper pecs and clavicle area. That’s why he won so many contests. You can see in the photo below how large his upper pecs were in comparison to other elite bodybuilders. The large distance between the nipple region and the clavicle due to the massive upper chest is immediately apparent. In contrast, the two bodybuilders to his left have much smaller upper pecs, given their pecs overall a bulbous, rounded shape that extends outwards towards the viewer. Whereas Arnold’s massive upper pecs extend outwards towards his broad shoulders, giving the hyper masculine look of an extremely wide upper chest and shoulder girdle. Fabio has something similar.

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  360. Rosie says:
    @John Johnson

    It’s more an issue of degree. I wouldn’t put one gender morally ahead of the other anymore than I would with lions or hyenas.

    Uh huh.

    But liberals and Christians want to believe in a female purity that doesn’t exist.

    Yes, it does exist, and men around here frequently complain about it. Did you ever hear that joke about wedding cake?

    Now, I’m sure there are women who will try to use sex to get what they want. There’s really nothing more to say about it, though. Quid pro quo sexual harassment is bad for almost everyone. While Hollywood actresses may not be sympathetic “victims,” waitresses and maids and nurses are entitled to earn an honest living without being forced to screw their employers. In order to protect women, powerful men cannot be allowed to accept sexual favors from subordinates unless you want to have some sort of modern prima nocta system.

    The female attraction to psychopaths is once such example. We aren’t even allowed to talk about it let alone study it.

    What makes you think women are attracted to psychopaths? The thing about psychopaths is that they’re good at pretending to not be psychopaths. Ted Bundy had a girlfriend while he was killing all those women. Her parents loved him and wanted her to marry him. The police blew her off when she told them she thought he was the killer. Police brought a naked 15 year old boy back to Jeffrey Dahmer’s house while he had blood coming out of his a$$hole. People get ripped off by psychopathic con artists all the time. What is the basis for your claim that women are attracted to psychopathy rather than the mask the psychopath wears?

    My town used to have a home for abused women and it was always full. Is it really that hard to find a man that doesn’t hit you?

    I don’t know, John. How big was your town? How many beds did the shelter have? Due to male dysfunction, the dating market for left-half women can be rather punishing, especially since the opioid crisis hit. When a good man is hard to find, you’re liable to put up with a lot more than you otherwise would. Abuse tends to escalate.

    But for the sake of argument, suppose women really are attracted to psychopaths on some level. What difference does that make to anything? Shall we legalize wife-beating? You say you want to talk about it, go ahead and talk about it. What do you think would follow from that?

    Eventually it will come out that race exists and gender isn’t designed by God/Mother nature to favor modern ideals.

    The facts are already known about race, and contra your claim that it’s all wishful thinking, we all know damned well that men want all the commit-free sex they can get, while women give it up reluctantly under all sorts of pressure and manipulation. This is not some modern liberal innovation. In OT times, the old pump and dump wasn’t allowed:

    If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her.

    And no, “sieze” doesn’t mean rape in this context. See here:

    https://cbmw.org/2018/03/05/did-old-testament-law-force-a-woman-to-marry-her-rapist/

    You are not entitled make up any b.s. about women you want, and then say, “Oh you just wait till the next vaginal lubrication study comes out…” What would that prove, anyway?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @John Johnson
  361. anon[507] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    What makes you think women are attracted to psychopaths? The thing about psychopaths is that they’re good at pretending to not be psychopaths. Ted Bundy had a girlfriend while he was killing all those women. Her parents loved him and wanted her to marry him. The police blew her off when she told them she thought he was the killer.

    The take home point here is that she was with Ted Bundy, and not with some psychologically stable beta man. Or even another handsome man. She found a killer’s allure more to her liking.

    She chose to be with Ted Bundy to the exclusion of less bloodthirsty men. Something about Bundy’s psychopathic profile aroused her, appealed to her. So maybe it wasn’t his killing per se; maybe it was a correlative character trait that psychokillers possess in abundance which turned her on.

    Either way, it doesn’t speak particularly well of that dark aspect of women’s sexual natures.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @JohnnyWalker123
  362. @anon

    Thanks for providing those studies.

    My experience has always been that women strongly value looks, but they’re also pragmatic and cautious. So when they marry or settle into a serious relationship, they’ll often be open to men who are “just okay” in the looks department but compensate in other ways (primarily money, acceptability to friends&family, personality compatibility, and similarity of background). As they get older, the importance of looks fades dramatically, while the importance of those other factors (especially money and stability) becomes key.

    As for being good looking, you really need to be in the top 5% (maybe even top 1%) to viscerally arouse a woman. If you’re outside the top 20%, you won’t even get a second look.

    However, if you are elite-tier in looks, life gets really sweet.

    As for social suaveness and confidence (also known as “game”), I think that matters too. The nice thing about being handsome is that the ROI of “game” increases substantially when a woman thinks you look nice. So if you have George Clooney looks, you need just a bit of “game” to seal the deal. On the other hand, if you look like Danny Devito, your “game” better be on the level of Jack Nicholson.

    In the popular 1999 film “Cruel Intentions,” Ryan Phillipe’s character (“Sebastian”) plays a character with both looks and “game.” The closer you are to this man, the more desirable you’d be on the short-term dating market.

    Though in the long-term, women wouldn’t marry such a man. They’d choose someone more sensible, like “Danny Tanner” from “Full House.”

    • Replies: @anon
  363. @stillCARealist

    As a fervent believer in the supremacy of the Dutch may I add:

    Shall we judge that supremacy by Jonathan Jacob Meijer?

    I would prefer Jhr. Jorden van Foreest, scion of a family not only of ancient nobility (the first to be dubbed “Jorden” lived in the 15th century), but equally of multi-generational eminence in fields as diverse as government, law, medicine, education, husbandry, the sciences, the military, and, in the case at hand, mastery of chess. Young (he is 21) Jorden’s great-great-grandfather was three-times national champion, as was his great-great-grand uncle. He himself was national champion in 2016 (aged 17) and has just in the last few days won the most prestigious of the Dutch annual championships. His brother is also a national champion, and a sister is coming up on the inside, having won her first championship aged 6.

    Meijer (to lower the tone for the moment), is a believer in the Norse gods and Europe’s pagan heritage. I wonder if he nevertheless sells his services to the lesser breeds?

  364. @anon

    While there is quite an amount of truth in what you wrote/quoted, the net result- at least for me, and with regard to both sexes/genders – is Walter Bagehot’s observation: The tenth rate people are for ever striving to become ninth rate people.

  365. Rosie says:
    @anon

    The take home point here is that

    Who the hell died and put you in charge of deciding what the “take home point” is?

    When you interpret a situation in the most uncharitable way possible for women, all you’re doing is revealing yourself to be a misogynist.

    Psychopaths could not survive in the world if people knew, or even suspected, that they were psychopaths. Hence, they spend their entire lives learning just how to fool people into thinking they are something other than what they are. It would surprising if these people weren’t particularly adept at seducing women.

    Either way, it doesn’t speak particularly well of that dark aspect of women’s sexual natures.

    This is a cope. We know for a fact that sadistic thrill killers are almost men. Pedophiles are almost all men. None of this requires any speculation or invasive sexual arousal studies (though we could those if we wanted to go on a fishing expedition for evidence to use against men). This is all just a simple matter of statistical fact.

    You find this embarrassing. Hence, the need to pick motes out of women’s eyes.

    • Replies: @photondancer
  366. anon[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Threads like this tend to become ridiculous with all the male ‘experts’ on women chiming in with their opinions. Then there’s maybe two women claiming to speak for all women. All these people posting photos or naming celebrities who they think are hot and others who critique those who they think aren’t all that. Please post a photo of yourselves so we can see what we’ve got here. Post photos of your significant other(s) so we can see what your expertise has reeled in for you. Bet there’s not even a ‘5’ in the bunch.

  367. anon[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    As for social suaveness and confidence (also known as “game”), I think that matters too.

    Here is an instructive story for those who can see clearly.

    In 1963 the movie “The Great Escape” was filmed with a cast of stars.

    During the course of the film, David McCallum…

    …somehow lost his wife Jill Ireland…

    …to Charles Bronson…

    …whom she married and remained with for the rest of her life.

    Here ends the lesson.

  368. joe862 says:
    @Ari silver

    I wonder if they’d make better choices if divorces were much harder to get. Were that the case I’d expect older women to put pressure on them to be more careful who they marry because the consequences of a mistake are so severe.

  369. njguy73 says:
    @John Johnson

    They want To Kill A Mockingbird Atticus, not Go Set A Watchmen Atticus.

    • LOL: John Johnson
  370. @anon

    Either way, it doesn’t speak particularly well of that dark aspect of women’s sexual natures.

    Both men and women are sexually drawn to sociopaths. For whatever reason, sociopathy is considered an attractive quality in a sexual partner, but it’s not something that’s desired in a spouse.

    So women want to sleep with “bad boys,” while men want to bed “femme fatales.” However, women want to marry “a nice guy,” while men want to marry “the girl next door.”

    “Femme fatale”

    “Girl next door”

    In the 1999 film “Cruel Intentions” (which I referenced above), Ryan Phillipe (“Sebastian”) is torn between two girls. Sweet-natured Reese Witherspoon (“Annette”) and cruel sex bomb Sarah Michelle Gellar (“Kathryn”). Ryan Phillipe’s character wants to seriously commit to the former, but sleep with the latter.

    The interesting thing about “Cruel Intentions” was that Reese Witherspoon was a blonde who wore light colors, while Sarah Michelle Gellar was a dark brunette (she dyed her hair for the role) who wore dark colors. Light is associated with tenderness, warmth, and fidelity. Darkness is associated with being cruel, sadistic, and sultry. See below.

    View post on imgur.com

    We see the same dynamic in an old episode of the “Twilight Zone.” The name of the episode is “Jess Belle.” The handsome main character “Billy Ben Turner” is torn between two girls, one light-featured (“Elly Glover”) and the other dark-featured (“Jesse belle”). He has “fun” with the dark-featured girl during passionate late-night escapades, but he ultimately marries the light-featured girl. See below.

    The problem with scorning the “femme fatale” is that she’s ferocious. Instead of crying and getting emotional, she gets even.

    In “Cruel Intentions,” Sarah Michelle Gellar has another guy kill Ryan Phillipe. In the “Twilight Zone” episode, “Jesse Belle” almost kills “Billy Ben Turner” and “Elly Glover.”

    So there’s an element of danger with the “femme fatale.” Yes, she’ll sexually satisfy you, but her sadism could destroy you.

    When they feel sexually attracted to someone, both men and women are capable of making stupid decisions.

    For most of human history, women were kept under family control, while men had a certain degree of freedom to roam around. So men sometimes did stupid things when they were attracted to the wrong person, while women were generally sensible (with some notable exceptions). In today’s unregulated sexual market in which BOTH men and women have a lot of freedom, both genders often behave stupidly.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    , @Malla
  371. Jay Fink says:
    @Rosie

    I am OK with women choosing to have babies with bad boys if in exchange they agree not to take one cent of government money to help raise them.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  372. @Rosie

    So, what time do you get off … and how, exactly?

  373. Jay Fink says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I have a double standard. I oppose women having anything to do with bad boys. Yet I have never been attracted to good girl types. I have an appreciation for their sweetness but I don’t feel sexually drawn to it. I like women who are outwardly sexy and not modest.

  374. @Rosie

    What makes you think women are attracted to psychopaths? The thing about psychopaths is that they’re good at pretending to not be psychopaths.

    Because every social worker has a long list of cases where women stayed with abusive men even though there are plenty of nice stable guys walking around.

    What is the basis for your claim that women are attracted to psychopathy rather than the mask the psychopath wears?

    Well someone already pointed out how celebrity psycho killers normally get tons fan mail and also get married. So there are women that would rather marry psycho killers in prison than nice guys. That tells me that female sexuality might not be as ideal as egalitarians and feminists would like.

    What are your thoughts on this?

    1/3 to 2/3 of women have had rape fantasies
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies

    Seems to contradict the idea of female sexuality being pure and moral.

    But for the sake of argument, suppose women really are attracted to psychopaths on some level. What difference does that make to anything?

    What difference does it make? We need to get over the idea that women are born moral and move on. It’s all part of a grander egalitarian delusion where men and especially White men ruined what would have been a garden of eden for women and minorities. It’s a childish resistance to face reality and accepting the extremes helps set reasonable boundaries.

    I like women, I really do. But I don’t think it is healthy for society to maintain this view that women are made of sugar and spice while men come along and ruin them. Society has tried to live egalitarian delusions regarding race and gender. It doesn’t work because you end up trying to suppress nature while needing to blame someone for egalitarian failures. Well guess what I’m in the blame group and I’m tired for it. If we are going to have free thought then I should be free to point out realities that contradict egalitarian assumptions. Otherwise let’s stop pretending there is free thought and just call the colleges Churches of Enforced Egalitarianism.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  375. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Clearly, plenty of “bad boys” feign confidence, or display confidence that their fists can’t back up. Steven Tyler (like most other rock stars) doesn’t look like he could whip a gnat if you tied one of its wings back.

    So confidence is a form of mimicry, where the confidence doesn’t correlate to any physical power or ability – which is what plenty of “bad boys” display.

    I think you are talking about the douchebag types. Wannabe gangster swagger and that stuff.

    There are bad boys in every profession. It’s really more of a vibe and not at all conscious.

    You don’t wake up and say “I’m gonna rock the bad boy vibe today”.

    • Replies: @anon
  376. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    You don’t wake up and say “I’m gonna rock the bad boy vibe today”.

    Why not?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  377. @anon

    Why not?

    You can try but if it is mostly innate then you can only fake so much.

    • Replies: @anon
  378. Malla says:
    @Helping out a little brother in need

    and trust me, I am too kind-hearted to want to goad you into disagreeing.

    I completely agree with you. You do not have to goad me.
    Brave and hardworking and honest sure works, good women are attracted to that. Those traits represent superior CIVILIZATION values. Many a times mating represents ruthless unjust NATURE values, especially now a days with Cultural destruction. Unfortunately many of our sexual selection tendencies were formed during our cave man days before civilization.
    This is what happens with late wave feminism and general cultural destruction, we are becoming more like savages (look at the world around you) even if technologically, we are progressing. That is exactly why civilizations in the past created certain rules and behaviour limits to gender relationships and life in general. It was the war in between Civilization Vs collapsing to savagery (laws of the jungle).
    My “good lover” strategy for men is for this late wave feminist “back to the jungle” reality of society today. But yes it is bad for civilization. Civilizational values are good for societies in the long term however “boring” they seem to many people today.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  379. anon[548] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    You can try but if it is mostly innate then you can only fake so much.

    What if it’s only partly innate?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  380. Malla says:
    @Alden

    I think UNZmen hate Western Civilization hating libtard women and race mixing White women (mostly subset of libtard women anyways), since they do a lot of damage to the White race. Not women like you.

  381. Malla says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    So women want to sleep with “bad boys,” while men want to bed “femme fatales.”

    That is all cool but sex tends to have an effect on the female mind/soul, especially their relationships with their early partner in life. Not so with men.
    That is why most men prefer virgins for marriage and most women do not care about it. Every man wants to be his woman’s first love and every women her man’s last.

  382. @Malla

    Look at this.

    • Thanks: Malla
  383. Anonymous[169] • Disclaimer says:

    “A woman’s place is in the stove.” – Mort Sahl

  384. @Rosie

    “You find this embarrassing. Hence, the need to pick motes out of women’s eyes.”

    Brava! What a grand riposte.

  385. @Malla

    Every man wants to be his woman’s first love and every women her man’s last.

    That’s almost of a piece with: “Every boy wants a good girl who will be bad only for him. Every girl wants a bad boy who’ll be good only for her.” Everyone ends up disappointed.

    • LOL: Malla
  386. @Rockford Tyson

    LOL, sure I have read a lot of romance novels for women where the object of desire was a plumber. Idiot.

    Romance novels?? Who even reads those? How about putting down fictional books and taking a look at how much union plumbers and pipefitters can make.

    Contractors are in such high demand in my area that they can pretty much work when they feel like it. Women sniff them out and marry them. A plumber/part time mom family can easily make 6 figures.

    No, they *settle* for the husband with the stable income because they can’t get the rock stars or rich laywer husbands.

    You have spent too much time watching TV or reading the incelosphere. The majority of women leave high school with reasonable standards. I still haven’t seen a single show on TV that depicts rural women accurately. Most of those shows about women are written by gay men or bitter metropolitan women. Sex and the city was written by a gay man who just took his personal stories and rewrote them for straight women. Total Hollywood BS.

    • Replies: @photondancer
  387. @anon

    What if it’s only partly innate?

    Well it would have a better chance of being faked in that case or better yet societal programming could be potentially turned off.

    • Replies: @anon
  388. @Malla

    Those traits represent superior CIVILIZATION values. Many a times mating represents ruthless unjust NATURE values, especially now a days with Cultural destruction. Unfortunately many of our sexual selection tendencies were formed during our cave man days before civilization.

    Well said but Christianity has long denied a lot of those tendencies and especially in women.

    So Western civilization already had a tenuous take on female sexuality and then along comes liberalism/feminism with its own distorted view under a veneer of egalitarianism. Liberalism also tries to deny those cave man tendencies in women while downplaying the civilization side of men. Female cave man sexuality becomes a taboo that everyone agrees we should never discuss.

    What I am getting at is that the conservative structure we inherited was never that solid to begin with. We see a similar problem with race where Christian conservatives simply don’t want to talk about it. Well that just opens the door to liberalism as they have opinions on the subject that are of course dishonest and lead to destruction. The end result is the nature based mating that you describe, and often subsidized by the government (dysgenic welfare).

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Malla
  389. anon[978] • Disclaimer says:

    Women want fried ice. They want it hot and fresh and not melty or runny and they want it right now from a guy who Just Gets It. Simple!

  390. Rosie says:
    @Jay Fink

    I am OK with women choosing to have babies with bad boys if in exchange they agree not to take one cent of government money to help raise them.

    Two things you’re not going to do:

    1. Tell us whom we ma have children with.
    2. Leave women to suffer and die in the streets.

    If we’re going to give up freedom to sace taxpayer money, why don’t you start with your own freedoms? Since men commit the overwhelming majority of crimes, and incarceration is expensive, how about a curfew for men? I didn’t think so.

    Anyway, for the nth time, we don’t want bad boys. We want men who understand that:

    1. To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

    2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

    3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

    4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

    5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

    6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

    7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

    8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  391. anon[399] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    Well it would have a better chance of being faked in that case or better yet societal programming could be potentially turned off.

    In that case one could indeed wake up in the morning and think “I’m gonna rock that Bad Boy mindset today”. Or step out of the shower after work and think “I’m really gonna get that Bad Boy mindset rolling tonight”, for that matter.

    It’s almost as though we are all a combination of natural inclinations and nurtured behaviors and neuroplasticity is real but has limits; humans can have more than one role or mindset, depending on the situation; some facts about humans are not particularly nice yet they remain true anyway.

    But…perhaps these concepts are much too advanced for the audience here.

  392. anon[399] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    So Western civilization already had a tenuous take on female sexuality and then along comes liberalism/feminism with its own distorted view under a veneer of egalitarianism. Liberalism also tries to deny those cave man tendencies in women while downplaying the civilization side of men. Female cave man sexuality becomes a taboo that everyone agrees we should never discuss.

    Good insight. Some of your observations are traceable to the cult of courtly love, which dates back to the 14th century or earlier. Eleanor of Aquitane was a factor in the creation and formalizing of that cult, we all recall one of her sons was the famous Crusader Richard Lionheart. Yes, it really is that old.

  393. Rosie says:
    @John Johnson

    Because every social worker has a long list of cases where women stayed with abusive men even though there are plenty of nice stable guys walking around.

    Women are too quick to leave over nothing. Women put up with too much crap before leaving. Here again, nobody at Unz ever says anything nice about women. They just say contradictory nasty things about women. One might suppose that women putting up with domestic violence might undermine the frivolous divorce narrative, but no. (You watch. Someone will come along and mansplain why both of these “criticisms” are equally legit.)

    And no, there aren’t a bunch of nice stable guys walking around, especially since our manufacturing sector was decimated by plutocrats. And once you have kids, it’s not all that easy to get another one. The fundamental problem with your thinking is that you don’t recognize that men often pull the old bait and switch. They’re nice till you’re stuck. Then, not so much.

    Well someone already pointed out how celebrity psycho killers normally get tons fan mail and also get married. So there are women that would rather marry psycho killers in prison than nice guys. That tells me that female sexuality might not be as ideal as egalitarians and feminists would like.

    What are your thoughts on this?

    I’ve already stated my thoughts on this. These are mentally ill people who do not represent women as a whole. If these very psycho killers don’t represent men in general, then why do you suppose their fangirls represent women in general? For every one girl who ever sent a love letter to an incarcerated serial killer, there are 10,000 who didn’t. That is called hypocrisy, as in, a double standard. You don’t want to be judged by the worst men, but then you turn right around and judge us by the worst women.

    A degree of attraction to bad boys is adaptive to an extent, for all sorts of reasons. “Fearlessness” is a trait shared by both heroes and psychopaths and it is negatively correlated with empathy. Prince Charming is ruthless to villains and gentle as a lamb to women and children. In the real world, there are tradeoffs. Some women may err more on the side of empathy and tenderness (yours truly); others on the side of ruthlessness. In neither case does it follow that women enjoy being knocked around by their husbands. Some women, I’m sure, are so imbalanced in their desires that they tend to fall into abusive relationships, or even wind up sending love letters to Ted Bundy. That has nothing to do with the rest of us.

    1/3 to 2/3 of women have had rape fantasies

    Women fantasize about all sorts of things, especially sex with other women. That doesn’t mean we’re all lesbians.

    https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-women-want-pornhub-why-lesbian-porn-and-threesomes-may-be-popular-among-females-344972

    I asked you what practical results would follow from your proposed discussion of this interest in psychopaths that women supposedly have. You didn’t name one damned thing. All you did was complain about the fact that people recognize, as they always have, that men are more likely to engage in sexually predatory conduct. Nevermind these pedophilia statistics, look at these lubrication studies and fantasy questionnaires!

    This is the usual crap around here. You expect women to graciously acknowledge the facts about, say, our lesser abilities in math, because test scores. OK, fine. You need to face the facts about male dysfunction and criminality. The statistics are a Google search away.

  394. @John Johnson

    Why do people like you make up blatant lies? You might get away with it for obscure shows but everyone knows SATC and who wrote it. Candace Bushnell is not a man.

    You’re also the second person in 2 days to claim nobody reads romance novels when they’re actually the biggest selling genre of books out there. Add in all the other books that have a romance but may not be classified as ‘romance novel’ and you’re looking at a majority of readers.

  395. @Anonymous

    consider the progeny of Billy Joel and Christie Brinkley

    I didn’t consider Alexa Ray Joel, if only because I don’t consider her father to be a rock star 😉

    Here is a picture of Christie Brinkley with her two daughters. See if you can figure out which is Alexa.

  396. @anon

    Married to director Jay Roach, best known for the Austin Powers movies.

  397. @Dmon

    I have to say that I didn’t know Sam was married three times. Also, in between he dated Jessica Hahn. The details of his time with Hahn are chronicled in the Howard Stern book Private Parts. One part that stands out is that

    [MORE]
    he was so drunk that he got up in the middle of the night in a hotel, took a dump on the floor, then went back to bed without even remembering. Jessica had to clean it up.

  398. Malla says:
    @John Johnson

    Agree Completely. Christianity at some level tries to convert men into angels, Protestantism even more so. Within sensible limits is is great but beyond a limit it becomes suicidal. That is why I call Christianity HYPERCIVILIZING. All religions represents CIVILIZATION’S struggle with NATURE.
    As they say”man is neither an angel nor a demon but if you force him to become an angel he will definitely end up becoming a demon”.
    As far as sexual/gender relationships are concerned, Islam or Orthodox Judaism are more practical than Christianity especially Protestantism. But modernism is even worse then Christianity. The Christian Amish/Mennonites live good family lives while the modern “English” society around them collapses.

    Rabbi Shmuley: “Kosher Lust: Why Lust, Not Love is the Secret to Marriage

    Rabbi Manis Friedman : Everything You Need To Know About Marriage In One Lecture

    There is a lot of wisdom in Orthodox Judaism about gender relationships.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  399. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Mufti Menk on Marriage & Relationship (English) Parts 1, check out Parts 2 and 3 if interested

    Marriage in Islam by Imam Mustapha Elturk in English Part 1 of 6

  400. Malla says:
    @Malla

    The Archbishop of Canterbury on the Royal Wedding
    From 0:28 to 0:58 seconds in the above video, what the earlier, the most Reverend and Right Honourable , Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams says about marriage matches the central gist of what Rabbi Friedman says in his video.

  401. anon[751] • Disclaimer says:

    Women: “Decepticons.” – Out of the mouth of an 18-year-old Canadian teenager.

  402. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    “Women fantasize about all sorts of things, especially sex with other women.”

    Really? Whoa!

    “That doesn’t mean we’re all lesbians.”

    Of course not. It probably just means that you should be. There never was a creature so enamored of itself as the modern western female – except for the male homosexual.

  403. @S. Anonyia

    lol. Truth isn’t trolling, you mewling quim.

    Though to a gas-lighting reality denying moron, blowing up your false declarations must seem trolling, since you don’t have the mental or moral capacity to understand what I wrote.

  404. @Rosie

    lmao.

    the gallant gentlemen type.

    The guy who spent the entire 1st movie without his hammer because he does what he wants and orders everyone around, and who spends the rest of the time smiling whenever he gets to fight anyone, especially the Hulk….is no gallant gentlemen.

    Try again, gaslighting airhead!

  405. @El Dato

    Heh. Legendary review, thanks for reacquainting me with it. He makes a solid point too.

  406. @photondancer

    lol. Thank you for admitting you don’t care about your man’s needs, and equate him to a sexless Ken doll to be placed about and dressed for your occasions. How dehumanizing.

    I foresee NO pattern of failed relationships in your future thanks to your selfishness and dehumanization of men and refusal to do your female duty. (/sarcasm)

  407. an unlicensed sperm donor

    Who knew there was such a license?

    Is the qualification testing onerous? Onanist?

  408. Robertus says:
    @JohnPlywood

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/147470491301100410

    Take a look at this,

    The decline in IQ and increase in mutational load combined with more R-selected men procreating has affected the appearance of the white population. What you may think is lack of womanliness is likely just shit dna making a person ugly.

    This study used south African white faces.

    You are also confused paedomorphy with femininity. In fact masculinity is not mutually exclusive to either of those traits, if you mix blue and yellow you get green.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266564137_The_digit_ratio_2D4D_in_China_A_meta-analysis

    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Digit-ratios-2D4D-by-sex-and-hand-in-29-nations_tbl1_266682509

    It’s not so straightforward. Northwestern Europeans have lower dimorphism between the digit ratios but eastern Europeans have a significant difference. Both are higher than East Asian digit ratios.

    But it is wrong to assume Asian males are more feminine, whereas neoteny increases PERCEIVED feminity in women, it reduces sexual dimorphism in males.

    Hence Asian men are both LESS MASCULINE AND LESS FEMININE, therefore ANDROGYNOUS.

  409. JimB says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    She’s made millions selling candles that smell like her vagina. She can’t be too dumb.

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